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DebateAlarmingArm9919/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 10:39 AM
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what part of my argument even required blame in any direction though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:50 AM
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why would violence necessarily follow? statistically, women are safer than they've ever been in large part bc they dont need to have a relationship to get by anymore and that's a good thing bc most violence occurs between people close to each other as for men, why would they not just retreat further and further into porn, ai relationships, video games, essentially towards uploading their brains into a computer? that's a lot easier and far less damaging than turning to violence arguably, this is …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:46 AM
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and it was, imo, far more impactful than whatever social media ceos or governments did, which was often just in reaction to it anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:18 AM
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a lot of that was also purposeful movement among regular ppl to broaden the acceptance of different body types tho not really driven at root by governments and social media sites banning content
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:15 AM
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literally watch any tv show, late night tv, listen to any popular song, read any magazine, etc from that time slut shaming was all over the place, objectification was constant, women were playthings to be won without being seen as free agents in their lives, countdown clocks to when 17 yr olds would be legal, etc etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:13 AM
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the changes necessary to help men in this current situation are pretty gay tho and im only slightly exaggerating about that being the reason here femininity in men is a no go for so many more women, to such a greater extent, than masculinity in women is for men (femininity in men is a much greater no go for everyone) and it has an effect in terms of how one presents themselves and orients themselves in terms of belonging unless women change their preferences for masculinity in men - and to the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:10 AM
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make a lot of money, ask for very little help, lift a ton of weight, sacrifice yourself to the long term detriment of everybody tbh its not very often necessary in any literal sense, but its the main path to belonging for men and very little has changed in that regard until or unless there's a far greater amount of feminine men achieving success, why would that many men approach life much differently? men dont generally care whether its good or gives them a greater right to take up space, those …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:59 AM
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there's a backwards trend bc of GLP1s but i think it'll revert back between studies showing their potential harms and the simple "not natural" aspect, and the fact that, frankly, plenty of men prefer thicc and curvy (even obese has a market) and so there's also a lot of irl examples that boosted body positivity among women just saying "be happy at any size" wouldn't have gone anywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:56 AM
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plenty of women dont care, looking attractive just provides men with more confidence which in turn is what's attractive to them https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-asymmetric-brain/202603/why-being-attractive-makes-men-happier-than-women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:52 AM
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ive seen the notion of "if men supported other men, everything would be solved" floated a million times and it just isn't going anywhere not bc men dont provide any supply of content like that but bc there's not really any demand for it why? well, frankly ill vote in the most progressive ways on lgbtq issues but... even i find that kinda thing gay lol what's the solution? if femininity in men became more associated w plausible life success, ud prob make a dent in it at least not just "oh go you!…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:47 AM
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i genuinely dont know, though id take umbrage w the "force women to sleep with them" thing, when it's mostly "i need a partner to have enough support among other ppl to sustain my health"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:22 AM
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its caused by general social pressure though obv anyone is free to parse thru specifics but wanting height surgery is certainly a body image issue caused by not being conventionally attractive enough, too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:18 AM
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unless we admit that the 2026 looksmaxxing and red pill situation for men is uncomfortably close to the anorexia and misogyny situation for women in 2006, this isn't going to change
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:11 AM
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the premise of my comment, which ur replying to now, is disagreement with the post
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:59 AM
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i mean, u can never rly confirm chicken or egg about anything but id say both things play on each other
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:48 AM
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how is a porn star the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:47 AM
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the manosphere itself has gen z men with voting and views that are more conservative than boomer men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:29 AM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:27 AM
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certainly both
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:26 AM
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it sure seems to have had an effect on gen z men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:21 AM
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im not rly sure how that necessarily alters the public perception of sex workers so much as it just doesnt benefit it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:38 AM
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porn stars dont create toxic political movements in their pursuit of money tho
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:34 AM
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or u could just equalize things without sour grapes n scorekeeping, even if u see women as doing the same via "righting historical and societal wrongs" just bc the opposite sex approaches something one way doesnt mean u have to maybe just... abolish the draft bc we live in a world where a 30 dollar temu drone w a grenade strapped to it is about as effective? and we dont really need a systemic on paper draft hanging over mens heads when, if a crisis was bad enough, something would be implemented …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:53 PM
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i didn't say that lol the other guy did
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:56 PM
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most men dont have such strongly held preferences for submissive, younger, naive/virgin/inexperienced, feminine women the ones that do are just really loud
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 02:43 AM
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whats ur proof of that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:27 PM
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i guess u dont recognize ur accent but a foreigner does
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:24 PM
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why do u mansplain patriarchy so much? isnt that just toxic masculinity hidden beneath feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:11 PM
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or was it always like this and necessity just hid it until then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:35 PM
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and? that was when ppl had children and men had to provide for women too bc they legally couldnt weve got proof of concept that we dont need to be doing that and the cats out the bag same for advancement - whens the last time we had an invention like hvac, microwaves, dishwashers, refrigerators, cars, so on? the shit being churned out today - smartphones, social media, now ai - actively makes life worse for ppls mental health or job prospects and provides no material benefit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:20 PM
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how does it not relate im simply saying that marriage makes rational sense in some situations but not others its 2026, a proper machiavellian man can marry up and have more than he's worth by himself and stand to gain in a divorce proceeding same for women for ppl with feelings , it is ultimately what u make of it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:15 PM
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sure, but why would u expect that? have people ever done better? or has modern life just given everyone options we'd have always chosen is romanticism of the past just a byproduct of older generations childhoods of seeing parents as something better than they ever were simply bc mom and dads love for each other was really just a matter of lacking options rather than altruism?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:14 PM
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everyone coming of age has now for some time seen a majority of their parents/older generations marriages end in divorce - despite whatever purposes marriage supposedly has in stable homes and raising kids to gloss over that experience does nobody any favors
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:07 PM
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hot take - marriage makes sense generally only when women make more money men are less likely to file for divorce generally and women are less likely to file for divorce the more they stand to lose from it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:06 PM
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what is with the manorexia trends? its like 2005 in reverse its not that the dudes these days are fat, its that theyre mean
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:56 PM
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which principle would make you live in your car
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 12:34 AM
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yeah he can go f himself
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:37 PM
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nobody really does, when it gets down to it we make excuses for how a decision that's against our principles somehow aligns with them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:09 PM
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how many ppl actually do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:02 PM
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what were his expectations of the domestic chores was he demanding u do them or did it just turn out that way? bc those aren't the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:01 PM
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well theres just very foreseeable results to equality men aren't going to stick their necks out for you and provide and protect and do all of that you'll need to be eligible for the draft, go down with the ship based on age or something rather than women and children just first, have more marriages between male janitors and female ceos, etc. men sacrificed a lot in the past BECAUSE women weren't thought of as equal if women and men are equal, why would men feel obligated to do anything more?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:00 PM
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both genders benefit from modernity but women have it more better lol which, compared to not being able to exist without a husband before, is a logical result BUT theres also a point that mens lives are still stuck in the 50s w double the competition u cant have a society w equal pay and male providership
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:00 PM
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men want the 50s back bc theyre still stuck w those expectations unless that changes, this is the default, even tho itll ebb and flow w each generation any lasting change has to come from everybody working to fix the male side of things, thats the root of the issue rn
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:43 PM
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women aren't monolithic and many dont wanna be bothered at all, no way to tell who i dont generally like ppl up in my grill either
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:07 AM
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nope id be afraid of getting raped and impregnated
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:49 PM
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the entire red pill and manosphere thing rests on the notion that y = mx + b, if you just meet a certain level of attributes (height, money, power, masculinity) then you are guaranteed sexual and/or romantic success - it's delusional real life is messy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 01:52 PM
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good luck to you dude
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:25 PM
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that's the way your post comes off dude and insulting people won't get you what you want in life, ultimately but that's your business
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:39 PM
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you literally put subhuman up there lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:21 PM
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that's the dichotomy I'm seeing presented, care to clear that up? western countries with "women are wonderful" effect > e.g. the Taliban is what I'm saying based on what you put above
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:20 PM
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IDK how this has anything to do with menstrual cycles BUT, humans are wired to work around 3 to 5 hours a day, evolutionarily speaking https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/studies-show-people-only-work-3-hours-day and 8 hours per week carries the same psychological benefits of contributing to society https://www.forbes.com/sites/adigaskell/2019/08/01/is-8-hours-of-work-per-week-ideal-for-our-health-and-wellbeing/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:57 PM
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subhuman vs wonderful much different in intensity
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:50 PM
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subhuman vs wonderful much different in intensity
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:50 PM
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Women drive something like 80 percent of consumer purchasing I personally think men should just be more assertive in making things like this even out than women being submissive "Happy wife, happy life" ain't it, in the long run gotta actually be partners
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:50 AM
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That being said, I'm curious if there's something genetic that makes men receptive to this conditioning, and in parts of the world where Islam dominates (as the inherent sexism in Islam hasn't been neutered over the last few centuries like that in Christianity has), the opposite form of brainwashing (that women are effectively subhuman) suppresses the natural "women are wonderful" inclination. OP wrapping it up with "either you have a society that treats women as subhuman or you must have the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:39 AM
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I think seeing one as below you is worse
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 11:33 AM
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blaming millions of people for your assumptions about a future that hasn't happened yet is kinda sad
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:48 AM
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I think the "women are wonderful" effect is much better than seeing them as subhuman
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:30 AM
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it is nobody's responsibility to have children regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:25 AM
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idk why you guys think "women lie" is some forbidden truth - that's basically the entire crux of your ideology why wouldn't they? humans do that just shows a profoundly immature grasp of how humans are
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:41 PM
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I don't get the hip new lingo, sure but it's extremely obvious that you guys are having a lot of issues, gender divisions on politics and general distrust, even anger, at the other
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 02:39 AM
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yes, many are going for hotter women than they can pull, basically they set a floor of attractiveness that's not in harmony with where they are
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:20 PM
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I'm genuinely unsure of what you're asking
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:15 PM
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"If I can't have her, nobody can!" is all it really is. It's meant to shit on men as a whole so that we end up having conversations like this, even digitally. Because some part of you is wondering if they're right, otherwise you wouldn't be posting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:53 PM
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It's easier for them to say that attractive men are always stupid and morally worse than it is to just admit that some men are always going to be hotter, smarter, AND kinder than you. Sometimes, "Chad" is just the all around better guy. The guys saying this cannot accept that reality. And in many cases, need to lower their expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 02:37 PM
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it isn't determinative, no so it doesn't "make" one violent, but men will always overall be more violent and horny than women, for better and worse - the best options are to figure out harm reduction and redirecting the same energy in a better way but honestly, unless modern society changes to where people can slow down, it will push people over the edge 99% more than necessary; and the results will simply be more obviously destructive with men slowing down in daily life is just about the most n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:42 PM
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wait your perception of men's views about women caused you to be trans?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:41 AM
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no I want one that makes more and I want to only work and make enough to not be held financially hostage. modern jobs are a death trap and if you can avoid as much of that as is reasonably possible, more power to you. regardless of gender. only equal if she's okay with sharing in that same mission equally. it's too hard out there. for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:37 AM
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that sounds expensive af, even assuming you split the bill lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:33 AM
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IDK, I think both of these things can be true. There is a messy reality here and some of this is societal norms to be corrected, some of it is more or less criticism of testosterone, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:30 AM
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IDK man. I'm in America. Trump won last because shit got more expensive. and people remembered his 2018 economy when there really were lots of jobs with low inflation. there's one election every 2 years for Congress and it's every 4 years for the presidency. Unfortunately, politics tends to just fall in line with whatever voters see and feel at the moment. even if "pro-male" politicians provide content, even "wins", for misogynists - I'm skeptical they can ride that to victory if nobody has a jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:25 AM
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and why would this be more common in one direction than the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:12 AM
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This is an extremely "heads I win, tails you lose" kinda argument. If there's science backing men, it's legit. if there's science against men, it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:07 AM
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"I hate women" is not a good dating strategy, if nothing else. Flattery gets you everywhere in life. Behave yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:23 AM
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a lot of men don't really have much expectation of the women they initially go for though so there is a point to be had that there's a difference between how the two approach things and yes, perhaps the ongoing relationship that arises is more difficult for women and maybe that's the issue - men have it harder with the initiation and women chronically thereafter
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:02 PM
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caught ya though because that's the real issue here, no? you can never really tell if a woman is into you since they don't tend to express and show it in the same ways and so, to you, anything they say and do is just alien. Meanwhile, men's sexuality seems obvious and overt, therefore easy to both understand and believe, right? so it feels like women get the best of both worlds - their own sexuality and certainty of men's
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:56 AM
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OP reads more like "I wish women's sexuality operated the same way men's does".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:35 AM
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Desiring and wanting to be desired are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:40 AM
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i honestly would never have sex again if i had to choose between: sex yet going home to an empty house vs the other way around. as for women, imo, most would prefer a kinder partner in 2026 than a rich asshole - so long as he's doing something with his life - because they can make their own money. imo, it will increasingly become true too, though women probably won't ever match how little men care about women's money just like women's sexual drive probably won't match men's, but it's less differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:43 AM
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I like how you could have just said "men who freak out when losing to women have fragile masculinity" and been done. in other words, mansplaining in a feminist direction, which is... okay then, but also deeply lacking in the sort of self insight that you're prescribing as a cure for fragile masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:57 PM
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Thing is, you can tell it's bullshit though. they're not virtue signaling in the general use of the term, they're just bullshitting and everyone sees it so yes, strictly speaking - but it doesn't carry the same vibes in the ether either
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:50 PM
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most people aren't dollar bills though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 04:11 AM
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r/conservative has hella censorship ironically lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:52 AM
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go on r/askwomen AND, at this point, r/askmen too lol and try to ask anything I don't think you'd have any censorship on goddamn r/askreddit for that matter and censorship anyhow? the government is not arresting you for saying red pill stuff the government itself is saying red pill stuff at this point, I mean... at a certain point, y'all just want to force everyone to agree with you and are bitter that they do not
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:26 AM
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it can genuinely be difficult for some people to find mates though, some never will that's legit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:08 AM
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her point is accurate though. you can have your viewpoints censored and met with visceral hostility and they may still be wrong! if anything, that's typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:06 AM
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yup the cringe hostility speaks for itself I feel bad for people who are alone but not if they turn it into aggression against others or try to scare people over it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:05 AM
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most people are compatible with most people - there's just always a better option in the Internet age
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:00 AM
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yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:58 AM
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oh wow, this place really is devolving (evolving?) into a mirror image of itself. the women have adopted the red pill lingo, including the misspelled words, hostile titles, and cringe takes. unification is almost upon us!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:55 AM
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also also incels - in the spotlight of so many "how do we help with this" discussions in the ether
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:26 AM
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that's half the point of it the president of the United States is arguably the whole red pill thing in the first place you can have all the power in the world but the moment someone says "I think you're being sexist" or you so much as don't find a pal join you in talking shit about chicks generally or their wives the way you might've in the 80s, it's cEnSOrzhip!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:19 AM
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no, it's not but it's painfully evident that these guys are not being censored at all lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:02 AM
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the Internet is not real life us libs understand this very well, the hard way, by now
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:00 AM
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yeah, I've never seen Instagram as more than parasocial internet relationships with celebrities you'll never meet or embarrassing levels of self promotion at least - you're just following hot chicks and you're better off being more tactful about your fap fodder anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:58 PM
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how is it being censored when Red Pill posts literally make up a majority of this very subreddit? There's an immediate resistance to the hostility of red pillers, insults particularly but if you are actually willing to engage in civil discussions, nobody cares it can get heated but that's different than devolving into insults and fwiw, being met with censorship and hostility doesn't at all mean that one is right or wrong about a thing anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:52 PM
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because people are weird and you can just.... want a strap without wanting the whole way inb4 - "they're just in denial", I mean, personally I've tried both and the whole way just don't do it for me shrugs
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:46 PM
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i mean, people use hormones all the time 'roids were all over pro sports in the 90s and had terrible effects - way more common than hormones for gender transitioning ultimately though, there is a certain freedom aspect to this too helpful, harmful, or neutral - it is your body
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:32 PM
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there currently doesn't exist any credible amalgamation of evidence that transgender identities are themselves mental illnesses - "some third thing", gender wise, has been a commonly recognized deal throughout human history imo, trans identities should be bundled into a third gender category that may as well just be "trans" writ large there aren't enough trans people to have all of society be required to differentiate every subgroup within but they aren't invalid in their experiences either unti…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:12 PM
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why would grindr spike during RNC events and not DNC ones? and if the app is literally crashing, there aren't enough cameramen and stagehands to account for all of that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:17 PM
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this is not even contradictory the vast majority of men who do pegging enjoy it EVERYONE lives in a contradiction where they mask what they really like and want and even need so that they can fit in with the group they want to belong to - pegging being one of about a million other things someone who wants to belong to 1950s style conservatism will likely try to repress e.g. a desire to be pegged - or a desire to be a stay at home dad or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:15 PM
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that's a complete reach lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:43 PM
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huh? is there a formal philosophy to "blue pill" that goes beyond "not red pill"? you're arguing against ghosts they just disagree, often strongly, with red pillers and that's about it you can argue that it's a weak and nebulous stance but that's true of any set of "I'm not this" viewpoints red pillers are the ones here, generally, making claims and so the set up naturally goes that way "blue pillers" can come to a "not red pill" view from about a million different directions
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:38 PM
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yes, like wine tasting events
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:30 PM
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there certainly are
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:26 PM
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You could hook some of those men up to lie detectors and they'd pass a "feminism test" - they may truly believe (or believe that they believe) in the tenets of anything. They may well believe everything they say and still do all of that shit too, it may not matter there is no way to ever really know who someone is at best, you can "pattern recognition" their actions and that's about it even that isn't some foolproof way of staying safe
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:25 PM
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if they accepted themselves, they probably wouldn't be such bad people BUT, if not desiring pegging, there are ten million other things someone could live in stubborn denial about too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:20 PM
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well, if they've not mellowed any by around 30 and are still like that, then they likely won't
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:12 PM
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how old are these people in question now? because that doesn't happen overnight either
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:35 AM
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that's my point you could be pegging the perfect blue pill liberal male feminist and he could punch you in the face tomorrow
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:33 AM
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I think this really depends on how old you are. I knew girls like this in high school and college but most mellowed out and are just regular left wing women that don't have it out for men As much as it's true that men take awhile to grow up, women aren't really different either. it just looks less obvious. So it shows in ways like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:55 AM
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there are dudes that want to get fucked in the ass by women while calling them mommy - and in the morning, the exact same guy will punch her in the face. there are male emo singers with the most emotionally intelligent song lyrics, who abuse and rape. and then plenty of bearded, buff, masculine men who make great husbands, fathers, and wouldn't harm a fly i say this as something of a pegging connoisseur myself -- you can't distill a person's politically coded preferences down to a moral ideal ae…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 01:40 AM
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Decentering women will never happen unless men have an alternative. AI chatbots and girlfriend's tiddies pillows (with realistic feel) would probably be enough for most men tbh creepy? kinda true? yes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:06 PM
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the gender imbalance there literally is an 80/20 rule to it like 80% dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:54 AM
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when she expects me to "be a man" all the time tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:02 AM
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there are no innate preferences, just tendencies
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 03:04 AM
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no blue pill person has ever claimed that they are backwards at worst, people just jockey for position and someone on the blue pill side might be frustrated when a person lives a more traditional gender life but that's also their right to do it and nobody really tries to stop it meanwhile, red pillers and trad cons will literally argue that you're defective, lying, or mentally ill if you don't join their preferred world building exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 03:01 AM
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cluck cluck
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 02:49 AM
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in group bias is also probably a secret weapon as to why there's not as much of a "female loneliness epidemic" going on. community building and so on make for better social ties
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 01:24 AM
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A woman who doesn’t find a “white knight in shining armor” 100% of the time is portrayed as defective, broken, or a failure — not even good enough for an incel. when is it that "blue pillers" do this? because you could basically just distill all of that fluff down to this claim I've literally never seen this happen
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:48 PM
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are you just upset when they argue back?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:12 PM
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extreme anything is. but feminism by itself is just... feminism I've never met a typical feminist that actually hates men. nobody is looking to kill you for being a man they are free to use their freedom of speech to bitch about men, it's a two way street. And so is cancel culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 10:02 PM
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if society ever became a matriarchy, it would happen financially
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:26 AM
3

I'm for any excuse to take a day off for anybody because that raises the floor for me too
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 12:13 AM
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I'm more just trying to say, take any spreadsheet about people with a massive grain of salt people are complicated, even if you find a way to pin them down about one thing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:06 AM
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It probably depends on the individual I've hung out with - no I'm not humblebragging, I never had sex with them - really pretty women who feel like they are the ugliest person ever
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:02 AM
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well that's the biggest problem you're having - how do you define a somewhat subjective scale? there may be fairly broad agreement on what's attractive but there are plenty of attributes people can have and plenty of things that people can be attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:56 AM
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fair. I mean the biggest general one is probably bigger and taller guy, smaller and shorter woman but even then, how much of that is innate and how much is social pressure people forget how much the perceptions of others effects dating preferences a man may not mind a fat woman, a woman might not mind a short man but they'll be thinking about social norms all the same
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 12:42 AM
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femboys and trannies are different though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:42 PM
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why would anybody expect this to yield some universal answer I've never seen physical traits predict what someone is attracted to for either men or women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 11:29 PM
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it seems to be whatever it needs to be for whoever wants to buy into it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 08:39 PM
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what's true about that claim: being able to talk to people and understand emotions has an outsized benefit to your romantic prospects, especially post COVID what's false: the 80/20 rule on dating apps and the fact that women are simply happier single makes the notion that men have it easy extraordinarily laughable
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 08:37 PM
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i don't think so either
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:37 PM
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so long as it's contained but it often is not
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:35 PM
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I would argue that it does lol maybe not as aggressively so but I'd say it does on net
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:34 PM
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lol wtf is a 304? a crime?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 04:07 AM
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yeah. and even when they are, it's hard to wrap your brain around it. I can conceptualize a nice ass, but I don't really understand the forearms thing. but I guess it goes that way the other direction too. all in all, even at my most attractive, it all felt theoretical to me. like I was the idea of attractive but not actually so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:45 AM
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it's inevitable that this converges back to loving each other when we all realize that women no longer feel safe with men and men no longer feel loved with women. Figure that out and the rest of this is just funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:33 AM
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I guess I see why you guys aren't getting dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:07 AM
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I'm not sure how many we ever had if this sort of "moral transgression" is worth focusing on over almost all the other options for you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:04 AM
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So... you're just mad that real life doesn't operate according to everything you want? well okay, so is everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 02:01 AM
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I think there's a big problem of straight men just legitimately having no belief whatsoever in the existence of physical male beauty. And certainly by comparison to women. This causing profound self esteem issues because they think they're already operating at a deficit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:53 AM
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1 vs 99 percent? lol where's the source on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:49 AM
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I get it but you also shouldn't be the only one shouldering the burden entirely of shit like that and I don't think it's realistic that people would go for changing culture more than just asking that terms be applied equally, at least for a long time that's been a big swing and miss by the left over the last decade at least applying it to men would get people to think and plant seeds in their minds about how they see sexual behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:26 AM
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then just call men a bunch of hoes and be done lol it might be therapeutic to just do it that way if men have been let off the hook on the purity culture stuff and you want to get even, there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:17 AM
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are you going to reveal anything you've discovered on your self improvement practice
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 11:24 PM
1

so nothing new I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 11:19 PM
1

okay so what knowledge have you accumulated
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 11:14 PM
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all of life is not knowing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:46 PM
1

why?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:31 PM
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fair point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:15 PM
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I just think that, regardless of what be considered acceptable, it should just be fair if we're gonna e.g. call people whores, apply it evenly for everybody
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 09:31 PM
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I'm not judging you there's plenty of reasons to give up on dating the stats are stacked against you I do think that if you're gonna opt to give up though, you should come to a point of acceptance with it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:14 PM
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I know it does. and I understand why there's got to be a reason why this pain exists that I can externalize rather than carry inside myself for the rest of my life you have to become red pilled if that's where you are with yourself not because everything it says is right or wrong but because it provides you an explanation that can shoulder how you feel
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:11 PM
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that's every man dude, every one of us is socialized to not display weakness you can express how you feel, the problem is you also feel the need to justify it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:09 PM
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mentally ill people are capable of identifying and saying "I feel sad"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:59 PM
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what they want is men that just cut to the chase and say they feel lonely and sad instead of trying to justify it by googling studies and scouring through YouTube to make dating rules being alone and single but wanting a partner is a good enough reason to feel sad you don't need graphs
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:57 PM
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they're not actually arguing anything they are lonely and sad about it and hide behind red pill to keep people from seeing it because it's embarrassing for a dude to be seen that way
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:55 PM
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yup 99% of this is personal bitching hiding behind bad societal takes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:51 PM
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I'm edible maxxing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:49 PM
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you can't these terms are hilarious afbb, 4b, Chad, Stacy, looksmaxxing, clavicular, USB, I can't even keep track tbh I just throw my for 2 cents in and it either gets downvoted to hell or upvoted
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:30 PM
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but that's the thing about men these days half of them want to be on top and half want you to top them the latter gets no say in how that should go in 2026
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:33 PM
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so you have no legitimate argument and thus whine instead
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:32 PM
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maybe women are just more communal and confining them to only helping in one area makes them unhappy or maybe they are just happier single with also a broader circle I'm not sure how you would go about making that happen without also introducing polygamy and promiscuity en masse among everybody but maybe you can or maybe they just don't need singular relationships as much
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:23 PM
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you're not dumb, you think about it adjacently or just slightly differently... I'm supposed to not show emotion and I can walk into a room and there is eventually a threshold of enough people to where I want to cry because I can tell something in the room is tragic. always is. so perfecting the art of just "not crying" and "man up" has felt like climbing two mountains while most only have one. I'm not comfortable bossing people around or sitting in the grandpa chair telling everyone how the real…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:15 PM
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exactly that kind of thing theres like 5 things to unpack there I'm not even entirely sure what "denied the opportunity to engage in" means - you want to throw a chick in jail for fuckin a guy? what even is a "traditional male led relationship" - are we talking 1950s, 1600s, Bronze Age, cavemen? there's way too many traditional relationships!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:41 PM
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For example, it's pretty clear that in the long run, in terms of personal well-being and life satisfaction, most women would be better off in traditional male-led relationship and should be denied the opportunity to engage in a promiscuous lifestyle. First off lol @ equating anything other than a "traditional male led relationship" with promiscuity Second off, what's clear about this? I don't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:22 PM
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there's too many stereotypes about it to make it hot anyway the pool boy, however
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:18 PM
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yes but much less common than the amount of times some guy will just spout off nonsense that you're best off not believing because they're just bitching and being irrational of course, like you said, you can never know which men are serious but there is context and patterns of behavior to go by too
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:03 PM
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right. but you basically mean - some men would just make better stay at home parents, some women would just make better CEO's, I guess? which I agree with because while, yes, there's differences between men and women and they can even be vast, most jobs and broader roles (parent), are so vast too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:00 PM
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but they also often have a fair point because the whataboutism is the entire thing I'm jealous of you here, you're jealous of me there and it's always an overly idealistic view of the other's lot "must be nice getting all those matches on the apps, ladies" here's 500 dick pics and a cheating step dad catching a bass fish "must be nice to be a man and get promoted all the time" gets hated by everybody and never sees his family
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:53 PM
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either way, like.... if you think about it, the problems are basically the same, just in different situations
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:37 PM
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no, I'm on a diet
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:37 PM
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it isn't just about women though. to justify existing at all you gotta hustle for it, that's the message I'm exhausted at this point in my life though, either I'm worthy as I am or I'm not, society. just pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:28 AM
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you mean that some people's personalities may find it easier or harder as one sex or the other regardless of which one they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:26 AM
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then you need to stop listening to butthurt men off of it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:23 AM
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You really need to stop listening to everything some butthurt men on Reddit say. Whether it's me or anybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:50 AM
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never, only one gender is allowed to have it rough
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:42 AM
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I'm just so popcorning over how much this subreddit is becoming the exact same thing between women and men. 🍿🍿 🍿
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:58 AM
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maybe just closer community anyway we're not the same person, but have a good day that kind of thing to start
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:28 AM
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I agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:47 PM
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I hope you just try it once or twice and see the reaction maybe I'm crazy idk
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:46 PM
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lol maybe! what do you specifically find attractive about him, what does he do that makes you like him, what's the quirk you like, whatever the fuck it's not, or shouldn't, be a difficult find unless you have nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:50 PM
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I'm not asking you for a fix (lol) I'm not asking you for anything I'm handing you words on the Internet that you can choose to do anything or nothing with. and it feels like you're just drowning it out with your own life story because those feelings are uncomfortable for people, anybody, to talk about
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:48 PM
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but that makes it about you, not about what the actual problem for men is as I'm trying to talk about I don't know a perfect fix, but I do think that women giving men more concretely, exclusive reasons why they think men are good enough for them might make a dent even just so much as holding a conversation about literally anything men might be useful for (better at) for instance, men are more likely to run into a burning building to save a person or pet and yet we can't even get around "men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:37 PM
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sure, but unless you can convince men that they are able to offer concrete things that matter to you in the interim, we're not going to feel like we're on the level it's hierarchy - you got higher it's competition - you win conclusion? what's the point, you're just postponing the equation and will leave once you really look at it. if you listen close enough to many love songs by men these days, the theme is basically "we will do this for what it is, but I know you'll leave soon enough, just don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:38 PM
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there's only one big transaction - that the gender social contract was men's money for women's beauty is a hell of a drug to stop men did the money work, women did the house and beauty work that many men feel like they could never offer beauty and can no longer offer money is a source of much grief spilled out in the form of rage, imo
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:05 PM
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lol perhaps you're right, I'm 33, you've been around the sun a few more times to gather and harvest more lived experience fact is, you're above me in achievement. comp sci professor > half assed associate's degree any day of the week, that's just reality and I see my wife making 3x what I do, after my dad made 2x what my mom did and think... I guess I'm 1/6 of a person - It's the kind of thing in men that feminism didn't account for imo like, equality sounds much easier than it is because there'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:13 PM
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What I DO believe is that if Western democracies adopt more socialist elements to their governments, things will get a LOT worse. That is Denmark though it's still market based in most ways but it's certainly more in the socialist direction than America and that's the thing, have they gone full frontal USSR via trojan horse politics? Perhaps DSA writ large similarly understands that there is a middle ground but simply believes we are far away from that not that repeating Stalin is a great idea
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:59 PM
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oh wow I love how this subreddit has literally fused into the exact same narrative going both ways now 🍿 anyway, both are true - way too many men are looking above their league and have plenty of girls they could get if they were open to it men are having a generationally alarming epidemic of singlehood that leaves them vulnerable to addiction, failed lives, and suicide because the only emotional and social support they get is from partners in private that last part is probably the thing that ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:23 PM
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that's how it comes off to me IDK what you want me to do with that feeling but that's what I heard when I say "nobody is taught emotional regulation" all I mean is simply - you can't read a book that'll give you inner peace you learn it by doing it when I mention college jargon, I'm simply mentioning how people talk about this yeah, teach kids breathing exercises and yoga and meditation and naming feelings - hell, that should probably be half the curriculum throughout! but again, "let's have a v…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:08 PM
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I'm not blue pill, I'm not purple, I'm not red, I just say whatever the fuck anyway, yeah, no - I never contended that a guy who doesn't get a date is a bad person I'm saying that kindness helps and that's where I think Red Pill is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:01 PM
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yeah no shit holding a car door open won't get you laid by itself groundbreaking
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:47 PM
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it is pointless. you're not making sense to me. what's the point of having a society that doesn't care about people you will not accept that other people ain't seeing life how you do and spend all your time trying to mansplain to men as well about "how the real world works" without knowing shit about fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:16 AM
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yes and yes because taking care of people is good, taking care of the earth is good... and newsflash - there's tradeoffs in life! do you think people don't use healthcare now? do they just never go to the doctor? do you think people just never eat now? you're saying I should be pro starvation and all you really need to do is e.g. cut out beef and that's half the battle
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:12 AM
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chill people declare bankruptcy all the time and you're planning for a million contingencies beyond your control - you could even move money around to make people's lives better idgaf it's okay to disagree! but you aren't making respect for men any better I hope they win. I prefer their policies. Your vision of society is not one I feel included in nor do I like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:07 AM
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exactly, that's why this extraction based economy must end and must figure out a way to live sustainably on this planet without positive GDP reports every quarter you're the one arguing that resources are infinite they aren't all you can do is care about people. or not and play fantasy football with digital dollar bills instead and pretend that there's endless amounts of oil and trees to cut down. I prefer the former
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:00 AM
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why not? it's all tits up anyway. the globe owes like 300 trillion dollars to what? social security and Medicare will be gone for my generation regardless. it's all unaffordable why do everything you can to live bankrupt before you even go bankrupt? I hope they win - I like these policies you guys keep bringing up and yet you cannot comprehend another grown ass man disagreeing with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:56 AM
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oh no, better health outcomes, longer lifespans, slower paced life make America Denmark would be my hat if I could pick believe what you want I'm a grown ass adult and I just don't agree with your worldview at all
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:55 AM
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okay so you're living on a different planet than me. there's no discussion to have because we do not at all share the same experiences or personalities. Taking care of people is good, money is fake, climate change is real. ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:43 AM
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sigh what policies are women voting for en masse that are unsustainable? what is going to change where people will lose their rights, inevitably?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:29 AM
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They have the most power on earth and commit the most horrible crimes I don't even think they do it for sex at that point, at least not primarily, it's just power - and them proving to themselves that they are literally invincible and can't be held accountable for anything because they've become so far above any laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:55 AM
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Respect for men is going down in modern society! But the largest reason for it is this pathetic Red Pill manosphere bullshit that waxes poetic about repealing the 19th amendment because they can't find a date. Of course respect for men is going down, your ideology - that claims to be so concerned about men - is causing that to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:40 AM
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just wait until you end up with a slippery ring then all bets are off
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:30 AM
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tHiNK Of tHe RAtiNgs!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:19 AM
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it feels like we're at an inflection point in a way though like half of Gen Z men want to see a UFC cage match and half want to be femboys with buttplugs in them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:47 AM
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read the 3 words about men back to yourself. slowly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:21 AM
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How? because it's acknowledging how hard it actually feels to be that way. you may have broken glass ceilings and shit but you also don't get how walking into a room, as a man, and feeling sensitive to every fucking emotion everybody else feels is maybe that makes me decent at holding the hands of dying people - I did that twice and I hope it worked. or maybe I'd make a good parent but it's fucking exhausting and tbh I would expect a few years of my life shaved off by it I'm supposed to pretend …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 11:25 PM
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this entire thread and your entire ideology is one big complaint lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:57 PM
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Jeffrey Dahmer and hot guy serial killers have plenty of suitors
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:53 PM
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are all dark triad traits always bad to have? fuck, I'd look for them in women all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:52 PM
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you're complaining about life
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:51 PM
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the facade is just lifted and you are merely seeing that you can't hate women forever and not expect them to hate you back. welcome to humans. Red Pill men want so badly to believe that women will love you no matter how much you hate them. Just like women who worship God and Jesus and whatever other Man God because they want so badly to believe that men are strong enough to handle anything. men just turn to manosphere shit because there isn't a religious or cultural alternative but Red Pill men …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:48 PM
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oh wow, attractive people get away with more shit? congratulations on finding the ark of the covenant. you think that one only applies to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:29 PM
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how would you ever judge the latter in the end anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:27 PM
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tough shit. there's plenty of things in life you just have to deal with. they've got their own problems. perhaps more than yours. perhaps not. perhaps dependent on the person. but either way, it makes no difference to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:26 PM
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so if I throw my burrito at the waiter but I'm hot, I still win?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:01 PM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/kindness-most-attractive-trait-in-a-partner-2019-9#:~:text=find%20love%20offline?-,The%20researchers%20found%20that%20kindness%20was%20the%20most%20sought%2Dafter,they%20said%20in%20the%20paper. it is kindness being attractive certainly doesn't hurt, but welcome to life
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:57 PM
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have you solved your issues
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:57 PM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/kindness-most-attractive-trait-in-a-partner-2019-9#:~:text=find%20love%20offline?-,The%20researchers%20found%20that%20kindness%20was%20the%20most%20sought%2Dafter,they%20said%20in%20the%20paper. I see you snuck the word "only" in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:52 PM
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what fairy knights of kingdoms have ever been contended to exist? have all these red pillers been living under a rock? yes, some women go for toxic men yes, having more money is better than less money yes, being hot is better than not yes, Santa isn't real, kids! brilliant insights! truly groundbreaking discoveries! the problem with the red pill isn't that it doesn't correctly identify directions, it's in its absolutism and the absurdity of how stupidly obvious these things are for everyone, reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:34 PM
1

when did anybody actually promulgate the notion that looks don't matter? it's "no honey, you don't look fat in that dress", but for dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:29 PM
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and that it's not infinite nor is it something I can blame all women for... you think that makes it not painful?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:09 PM
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exercise and eat right are truths that have been know for thousands of years red pill uncovers nothing new saying you're sad does nothing good, accepting that you are sad? different story. stop trying to fix everything in your life the road to hell is paved in good intentions - self improvement in this case
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 08:08 PM
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these things tend to run in cycles
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:48 PM
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that's a biased way of processing because it implies that you ought to be better instead of accepting who you are now why do you always need to be solving issues
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:11 PM
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accountability and processing are totally different
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:46 PM
2

yes! precisely! and they are not being given the space to even do that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:02 PM
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wow that's a really insulting view of other people. I'm done talking to you. ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:41 PM
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yes this. and the thing is, both women and men have their hands dirty. because women are afraid their "real man" is a facade. and men? men are afraid of dying having spent 80% of their lives faking toughness to be what people want them to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:38 PM
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but does science and data actually help you understand who you are? it just helps you understand how humans are, on the scale of 8 billion. an ant colony behaves differently than an individual ant. hell, there's crowd science about how humans act in groups. the answers you sent will never be found in research papers or studies or any of it because you're looking at the colony instead of the individual ant. which is you, in this metaphor I made up while waking and baking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:27 PM
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And you leave zero room for the simple fact that the rules on emotions for girls and boys are different from day one Say whatever you want about aptitude, emotional regulation, and relationships; "men don't know these skills". cool. it means nothing. men have their own game to play that's acceptable to have people and it's not yours. your "skills" are just the social norms that work for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:19 PM
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of course it does. and yet that's also what is demanded of men stuff it down in such an exact way that you can be a stoic and yet not so much that it explodes later and juggle it all in your head.... forever
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:16 PM
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learned emotional regulation skills? nobody is taught that and that's the most college social science jargon bullshit you sit with a feeling. one at a time. really just that one. and let it flow in and out. and let it go. you're not special and you don't have some emotional superpowers because you're born a woman. and I do understand what you're trying to get at, but that's how you come off.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:14 PM
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yup. something like dating requires risk and practice in the the world. and yeah, even one rejection can sting for 10 or 20 years depending on how memorable it is. but... YouTube videos about dating aren't going to change anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:07 PM
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and yet they are made to feel stupid for the need to stuff it down in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:16 AM
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why do you then let them win the argument
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:52 AM
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yup. it sucks. and it sucks worse the way it's framed tbh. like I never learned how to feel, as if humans aren't born knowing that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:20 AM
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yup. that's why I hate the whole "men need to learn social and emotional skills", "men lack skills!" yeah, you get the norms that say you can just feel stuff. no, men need to BE ALLOWED to feel things and just talk about them or accept them. hell, men need to just be allowed to be in the first place. this idea that I'm some lesser evolved species is frankly infuriating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:09 AM
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yes, that is pretty fucking stupid but men as a whole aren't
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:53 AM
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they certainly want answers but life doesn't give you the certainty and simplicity required for the answers they're looking for
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:52 AM
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I'm married. my advice - figure out what you're good at, mitigate where you're bad, and just put your best foot forward I've been on probably 7 dates and never paid for 5 of them, and only my portion on 2
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:49 AM
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you consider feelings to be taught?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:47 AM
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I never said it couldn't but I've noticed so many self improvement cults just become mental masturbation more than anything if you want chicks, ask for chicks doesn't mean you'll get any but there's a much higher chance of getting a chick by asking than by sitting in front of a screen... I say from in front of a screen every hour spent on YouTube is an hour you could spend trying to do the thing and the truth is? the answer is different for every guy just put your best foot forward and go from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:15 AM
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does watching 5 hours of YouTube videos just to feel productive accomplish anything? anybody that knows shit about fuck knows that you only learn through trial x error in the real world. and before you say "well I told you they try a bunch of times and don't get dates so they need to find something that works"... maybe some do but I'd wager that at least half watch the manosphere videos for hours, put the phone on lock screen to play Xbox, and think they accomplished something they can feel like…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:51 AM
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okay, well, it sounds like you feel angry about your inability to connect with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:40 AM
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it's become a socially accepted form of self harm and I'm not backing off that point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:22 AM
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so you're saying it's a trust issue
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:48 AM
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I HATE the implication that men need to be "taught" or "aren't self aware" or "lack emotional skills". That shit legit makes one feel like you're calling them r*tarded and just dancing around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:18 AM
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when did I suggest otherwise? I'm simply saying it isn't an insurmountable hurdle and has become much less so over the last 1 or 2 generations and who would not like to have more money?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 05:19 PM
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dude I completely agree with that! like legit! we need to stop telling, explicitly and implicitly, boys that the only way not to die alone is start preparing yourself from 8 years old to find a woman by abandoning all your childhood interests to "get serious" and focus on doing shit you hate just so you're not crying into a fucking pillow every night. alone. then we wonder why they crash out hard they become men that don't even remember the passions for life that they had when they were 6 and fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:36 PM
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fair. but that's Xbox money and not lose your house money my dad spent 900 USD on child support every month (back in the 90s! so like... 1200 or more now) to my mom for 18 years and then went through a second divorce now he's just single and coming up on 70 yo, climbing mountains in national parks and living his best life traveling out west in America even under the most grim money situations with women aren't the apocalypse
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:42 PM
5

a few hundred euros? on dates I'm assuming? how many you figure so I can contextualize in USD over here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:32 PM
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lol so you fold, figures
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:31 PM
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I was honest, that's kinda the point lol you guys gonna reveal your hand? how much money did the evil Medusas steal from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:25 PM
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ok, how much money have they taken from you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:00 PM
8

that women do not exist to soak your money up if you even have any lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:00 PM
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A lot of people here build data and science around their emotions instead of addressing them head on. and when they can't find it, then they come up with a narrative or an archetype and I see that happen with this. But the depressing thing is - "I'm simply sad because I'm single, broke, and alone." is a lot easier to just say in 5 seconds than it is to spiral down algorithms for 5 years. And yet, so many men (women can do it too but let's just be real) opt for the latter And that's insane to me!…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:18 AM
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https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/living-arrangements-of-chldren.html 4-5x as many children live without dads as they do moms https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-single/202503/why-more-marriages-end-when-wives-become-ill-than-when-husbands-do Marriages are about 7x more likely to end if a wife becomes seriously ill than a husband IN FULL CONTEXT HERE THOUGH - a vast majority of marriages don't end if either partner gets sick and a vast majority of fathers stay with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:08 AM
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very similar to my situation lol my credit card was declined on our first date to waffle House and I moved into her apartment with a small basket of clothes and trinkets capital B burden it there ever was one been married about 7 years now, together for 10
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 10:46 AM
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Or maybe it's reasonable to be concerned about an 18 year old chick being exploited by a far older man. how smart were you at 18?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:14 AM
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I think misrepresenting blue pill views by claiming that "they think everything is the fault of men", makes the rest of your point rather silly and antagonistic. if you want a proper debate, you need specific claims. if you want to base stuff on science, link research papers, etc. What woman made you mad today that you're trying to intellectualize emotions about? 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:02 AM
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you're welcome
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 12:29 PM
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they just don't if they want to try, try by that I mean, go grab a muffin and coffee and talk and see what happens the hardest part for men is finding a match or a yes either irl or in dating apps anyhow I feel like focusing on being approachable yourself or merely having a dating app profile with ~80% correct grammar, spelling, and punctuation... That mundane bullshit is much better advice than any of the red pill ice bath and ass pass monk fantasy that is the entire manosphere's existence. lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:01 AM
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i mean, it may work if you're just gonna jizz in someone's hole for five seconds but it ain't great relationship advice. Plus, many of the dudes that seek out red pill content don't have the charisma to pull this stuff off. "Oh yeah, I'm a huge Chad and all these other simps are just losers and AF/BB, amirite?" isn't the way a successful dinner date usually goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:37 AM
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toxic hot people are sought after by everybody my favorite hot fantasies are female serial killers 💙 when I'm feeling extreme and women with BPD or aligned traits at baseline. Somebody has to put to bed this notion that toxic is only attractive to women. because I can assure you it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:22 AM
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balance is always best
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 12:16 AM
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Firstly, I read this much differently first go around. Secondly, I can think of many things men do the exact same stuff about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:51 PM
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well yeah how does treating anybody like a job make your chances better, thats sociopathic anyhow
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:24 PM
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a job is a job a relationship is a relationship if you can't see the difference, that is emblematic of most problems in modern society
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:55 PM
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I think guys feel like they're the interviewees and women are the interviewers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:32 PM
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fuck yes! this is like my biggest pet peeve in life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:30 PM
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I'd have to dig the specific one I saw back up bc I only saw it when tiktok was glitching out from getting sold to a US buyer that one day but you can probably find others just by typing "emotionally intelligent men" into tiktok but basically the entire shtick is that women want men who are just emotionally intelligent enough to make them feel good but no more because it would require them to question their own thoughts and behaviors and the conclusion from there basically being "women are not r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:37 AM
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It would get mad at first but the world would shift because that's how life works. we're moving towards a different ecosystem where you have to think of your own emotional needs, ironically because providership norms are gone, thus women aren't going to just be able to trap men with money and beauty forever either eventually, you will yearn to be free there's already videos on e.g. tiktok of just how unprepared women are for emotionally intelligent men because it requires women to confront their…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:09 AM
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IDK but probably something simple like to hug us more. What else can be done, really?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:56 AM
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between 0 and 100?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:53 AM
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are ppl really doing what they want though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:52 AM
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I think you're really focusing too much on courtship and not enough on the invisible receptive emotional labor of being yelled at, pushed around, hit, etc. and never being allowed to go as far, and very often, never being allowed any response. I'd venture to say that most men in relationships have been hit or even harmed by partners but don't tell a soul or even themselves - just file it away, you're the stronger sex! it's way worse outside courtship. you now have the option to just get rejected…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:45 AM
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isn't average 50% you can say the bar for men is in hell and thus the average guy still sucks but...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:28 AM
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I think most feminist women would be against both pressuring other women to NOT be trad wives whilst also being against pressuring men to be providers. Those are not contradictions, but you could argue that they're bullshitting and that women would still rather have a rich husband that pays for everything.... but amidst all that, where is the movement among men who have lower income levels to just date fat women? I once observed a date where the guy was totally not engaged with her and probably …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:15 AM
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yes but isn't that how older generations always are in progressive timelined? not just women regarding feminine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:04 AM
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this is nothing new, it's happy wife/happy life extended. it's actually kinda cool that we're living in an era where that's starting to be questioned. because yes, shitty behavior is shitty behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:02 AM
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if your standards are higher, you're going to find fewer people attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:00 AM
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IDK, that example seems easy tbh your expectations in a partner then seem much higher now, the question I never see asked here is - who has it harder when in a relationship - and I think you could easily argue that women have that harder but 100 options on the apps? pretty clear women have the advantage when you are trying to get into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:57 PM
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probably progressive men in the details (bisexuality, pegging, crying in relationships, whatever) progressive women in the abstract (lgbtq support, encouragement of things like social and emotional learning, etc.) but that's gun to my head kind of answering I don't really want to dis either gender in that for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 11:36 PM
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by what yardstick
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:38 PM
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if it's a matter of disrespect, idk how you can really argue that men are somehow less guilty the other way around maybe you can argue that we've achieved "disrespect equality" but if you just argue against one genders behavior without contextualizing it with the other, you're basically just operating in bad faith that women and men disrespect each other in different ways is blinding you to the reality that they have a ton of shit thrown their way but it doesn't register with you because it isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:36 PM
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that's... disrespectful though... lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:32 PM
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your ideal self and your psychological shadow are two potent drugs but I do think progressive women are, overall more open to e.g. bisexual, effeminate, submissive men. this is very far from universal but perhaps I'm of the belief that trying itself matters if you scanned the brains of conservatives and liberals, I'm not sure what would actually come out but progressive women tend to aspire to be more open minded about gender norms and that aspiration in itself matters same overall, progressive …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 08:25 PM
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this is entirely dependent on what friendships and relationships you're comparing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:53 PM
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IDK, I kinda think everything is vague in these sorts of contexts what's a 10/10 really? that shit, too, is entirely subjective putting numbers by something, beyond real data, means nothing and even then ymmv, with actual data anyway e.g. even though 60% of gen z men are single, that data isn't very relevant to the other 40% who aren't on here especially, people don't leave nearly enough room for individual experiences I include myself in that too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:51 PM
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what. do. you. want. women. to. do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 03:23 AM
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a few men just act on it. There's a reason Investigation Discovery is so popular and why serial killers have fan clubs. There are a few men who just do it and that allows women to absolve themselves of those same dark thoughts - but they still absolutely have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 01:44 AM
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you can feed life with them though that's kind of cool I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 10:05 PM
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low childbirth rates mean you have no time shaved off a promotion track is all I'm saying I'm positive towards low birth rates - better for climate change, better for labor
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 09:05 PM
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okay, scrolling through your back and forth yields no contradiction I agree with the other guy - most men would probably choose to be with an outright abusive woman if the alternative was singlehood what he's describing is that men will choose more broadly - just because you're not being chosen as specially as you'd like.... well, at least you're chosen at all being a man is feeling like a pity project or social norm mascot at best. and that's only if you're actually in a relationship or married…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:24 PM
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yes, and I also said the word "most"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:58 PM
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well, you're a great one then but my point still holds, imo
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:56 PM
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one guy on the Internet insists on something? you should quit believing men so much. every word of every one of us? that's silly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:56 PM
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exactly, I have no idea wtf it is to think that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:55 PM
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not at all. and it's going to be all downhill from here. look at college degree attainment, look at schooling generally, look at childbirth rates... we are a decade away from so many men being in a position of applying for jobs to mop the floors of #girlboss houses and that is at best gonna be a hella awkward time my biggest gripe with red pill is that we went with Tate, Trump, and so on as the poster child of the whole thing when a proper chess move would be to retreat away. men are suffering m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:50 PM
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he probably just means that he'll take whatever he can get because he is not (or doesn't think) he's attractive and "men go with any women who accept them" doesn't exactly refute my point at all
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:33 PM
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They understand deductive reasoning just fine. they're just not going to outright say "eh, fuck off, there's way better than you out there" they have gender norms that play into politeness more the red pill also gets plenty wrong vis a vis what is attractive to women - I would never find a forearm attractive but they supposedly can be I'd find an ass attractive, but not all women do also sometimes? people do need to simply lower their standards by a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:31 PM
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most men want to feel chosen, too and our norms don't allow it if he must chase, he'll never know if he just made you aquiesce or if you actually love him if men must propose, he will never know if it's just her going with it if he must initiate, there's never any reassurance that she actually likes him so the fact that women don't chase, don't thirst, don't want spicy pics, don't watch porn, don't go try two and three times to get to yes... that's honestly depressing you're never sure if you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:57 PM
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completely honest, I think it depends on both what you are talking about and your definition there are many aspects of life where boys and men are more vulnerable
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:43 PM
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demand isn't there to make it worth trying
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:35 PM
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yeah but then we invented pallet jacks sad day :(
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:46 PM
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the point is me to not be satisfied
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:44 PM
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I agree completely
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:44 PM
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you can't "not be heard" and yet demolish people with words lol which one is it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:43 PM
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tips fedora and bows
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:42 PM
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I know. I'm just jealous of the idea that bodily attraction skews so far in their direction tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:37 AM
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Women (even the collective "women") will hurt you. They will say things you'll remember forever. They will break your heart. They will make you feel like you're just nothing to them. And then they'll think they are never seen and heard. Which comes from men just absorbing forever to pretend we're okay with it it's not that they do or don't exist - it's that many of them don't realize how hurtful they can be that creates so many more problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:34 AM
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y'all ever gonna propose to men? why do you get the promises and the romance and all that shit? feels like it's all about you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:57 AM
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having people compete for you is just something I'm envious of I'd rather not give you the attention and satisfaction of doing all that even if just from pure spite lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:52 AM
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no, I wouldn't actually do it I'm just envious of the idea, okay? ... maybe for a billion though. a secret billion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:48 AM
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jealousy if I could twerk my ass as a femboy content creator and make a million dollars, I certainly would
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:54 PM
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why did these numbers change at all then why haven't they always just been zero
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:45 PM
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but you are anyway. so many men hate feminism and increasing numbers are growing up to believe that gender equality is bad entirely if that's what you're going for, cool. But by not bothering to understand them and figure out what hurts them and makes them tick, you're just giving that mile to Trump, Tate, Peterson, etc. https://open.substack.com/pub/davidwaldron/p/american-boys-have-become-less-supportive?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:10 PM
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fedora intensifies
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:07 PM
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maybe. but that's the fun thing about tripping balls, you've got no idea how it'll go I once spent 3 hours staring at ceiling tiles and they were some of the most entertaining 3 hours of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:03 PM
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I don't give two shits personally if a baby comes out of you, you've got a pretty good excuse if anything looks amiss
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 02:39 AM
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god I need to trip balls so bad I can get out of this reality and into a different one
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:44 AM
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healthy relationships are hard finding good people is not
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 01:00 AM
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... DM me that they hope I get raped and assaulted. Does it make me care about them and make me want to help them? No it does not. That man could disappear off PPD forever, he could suffer from lifelong loneliness and never find love, and I literally would not care about him You just did something that, for the love of God, SO FEW women do on Reddit! You provided an actual fucking context as to why you feel the way you do about a man - or even men in particular. IDK why that is so fucking rare! …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:57 AM
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the way I've had it explained to me is basically "women circle the wagons because they've felt gaslighted before and want to make sure their friends don't feel like they're crazy". and, while I can understand that, many times, a woman is just straight up in the wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:51 AM
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I wonder if the collective "I hate men" becomes individualized more by men than "I hate women" does for women Hence, "not all men" perhaps that's a bright spot for the norms of women - being able to look at these things less personalized, perhaps they feel the same way but just don't talk about it, or perhaps men just feel the same thing harder because yeah, "I hate men", "kill all men", "the problem is men" stings, ngl and I do feel like women would have better success reaching men if they... j…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:37 AM
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yes and no it's definitely more online than not but it's also prevalent irl where people are not going to talk about it in polite company
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:31 AM
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the real elephant in the room is Trump if you weren't turned off by "grab em by the pussy", that says a lot to young women about men in a way that prior elections and politics did not
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:29 AM
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when do we get courted?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:27 AM
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yeah or something like give it a generation or two to air out and then everybody does whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:22 PM
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I agree, that's all I'm trying to do bit by bit
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:42 PM
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❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:41 PM
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lmao no they don't https://manofmany.com/culture/dating/pornhub-year-in-review MILF is literally the second most popular porn search Step mom is 11 and Teacher is 30 MILF is literally the most popular porn category Mature is 5th .... it's actually a fascinating read
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:40 PM
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look at Internet data https://manofmany.com/culture/dating/pornhub-year-in-review lmao MILF Step mom Teacher ... that's not "once you get to 30, you're done"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:29 PM
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I've gotta be honest, you can type milf, pawg, step mom, goth mommy, femdom, sounding, pegging, ballbusting, trans, cuck, ssbbw, bbw, farts, and whatever the fuck in and find that whatever rules around men's desires are generally just the desires of one
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:23 PM
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of course. it isn't like I'm angry, in large part, I accept my income and my job I can go look at shitty apartment listings and think "okay good enough, I could live on my own if I wanted". all I ever see around here though is lying and, as a man, I feel like if women "REALLY understood what THEY don't want you to know!" (lol) then.. fuck it, maybe one or two people might understand another person better. that's good enough. like working with special needs people - you can't do shit about fuck w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:02 PM
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Do I enjoy what I do? yes Is it meaningful to me? yes is it important to me? yes does it make a difference to others? yes is it what I want to be doing? yes I work with special needs people, for context but do I still feel like I'm 1/6 the value of a human? YES! I don't just say that to make you sad or manipulate you I'm too old to lie to you. and that "1/6 of human value" is the whole fucking nucleus of the manosphere, red pill, whatever shit with all these dudes I've lived it all my life. all …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:44 PM
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how would a single dad not have the same pressure as a single mom? in your case if you lose that job, you can ask for help, reach out to whoever, play it, frankly, better because you never have to do it alone, never have to prove anything to yourself. you can just do it the same way a dad can just do it you can always look at it as a simple matter rather than an existential crisis where you look in the mirror after getting canned from a job and preoccupy yourself with "I wonder how cheap and how…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:27 PM
1

and you are doing.... what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:17 PM
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again and again the norms are not the same you do not have the same pressure, the same stress I mean shit, this is the same reason why, statistically, single dads have better outcomes when raising kids the pressures at the same things are not the same
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:16 PM
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lmao, why not just be honest and darker instead of the bullshitting just say you hate men get that off your shoulders instead of smugly dancing around it with this omniscience you apparently think you have
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:13 PM
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women have an entire ideology on how much better men purportedly have it - feminism I think we all just want the pains we have to go away, so we will always envy somebody that doesn't have them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:11 PM
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I actually don't think they are I think they didn't predict the effects of labor force demographic change layered on top of everything else - which is fair but... they need to step back and recalibrate, so they can figure out how to actually win in a sustainable way that won't leave us miserable, suicidal, and pissed off all the time - because if you have nothing left, you can at least use fear that's all Trump is - he's there to scare but feminism could win sustainable gains if they actually li…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:05 PM
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of course she did and I feel terrible for my dad over it these days she wasn't even that great at it so eventually pawned me off on him when I was a teenager anyway lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:58 PM
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and yet again, we're two ships passing in the night you don't want to believe there's a difference if you lost that job? you'd start applying for more of them the next day if a man does? he offs himself the next day it's like how if a dad sends the kid outside without a coat, nobody gives a fuck and he's fine if a mom does it, she's an awful mother and hates herself the same things are not the same things
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:51 PM
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are you aware of what actual data shows?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:47 PM
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shouldn't we all want a more comfortable society though? I like not child laboring and I'm not a big fan of black lung disease
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:46 PM
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when were you in a union
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:41 PM
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you want to know my take about men's accountability here? vote for your fucking self. unions, job guarantees, send Elon musk to Mars on a one way ticket. vote to steal back as much from billionaires as you possibly can because that's what they do to you every day and they don't give a shit and do the dishes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:35 AM
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I blamed women for what? the simple fact that changing workforce demographics changes providership norm viability? even though that's just.... life? introducing additional variables into a system? if you want true gender pay equality, guess what? half the men will earn less than the women and women will not, do not, go for it overall
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:28 AM
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the hard work of what, exactly? acknowledging that gender income dynamics and norms make this entire thing miserable in ways that feminism did not predict, to everybody's detriment? of the white collar chick picking the waiter the same way men have done the other way around? wow, what difficulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:23 AM
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that's not the point, the point is that such a norm doesn't exist inside of a vacuum statistically, women are hypergamous statistically, women are lapping men in college degrees (bc school is a boring and terrible environment for boys) and then you have women competing for these same top jobs now so... how does that providership norm work? do you think a female CEO is going to suddenly marry a janitor? do you think that's the kind of social change feminism is ever going to get behind? but fuck, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:13 AM
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you say emotional suppression and I just gave envy you want more? how about this - as a kid, we all grow up thinking of our parents as equal. my dad made double what my mom did. it took double my mom's income for my dad to be worth the same, in my kid brain. today? my wife makes 3x what I do. So... I feel like 1/6 of a human. That's why you see this push to go back to the 50's. That was equality to many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:55 AM
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but the fixes exist and they aren't even that hard I joined a union and my morale and happiness went up by like 50 percent with jobs simply because I wasn't operating under the threat of having that job taken away from me overnight. it's like the women just don't understand lol, as emo as that sounds
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:46 AM
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yeah but you'd do well to bring up points of your own to facilitate discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:39 AM
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isn't everyone like that? nothing is ever good enough for me either. I just wish feminism realized how soul crushing providership norms are on men and factored that in before going as far as it has. because now I'm envious of women. and it never had to be that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:36 AM
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lol I think this is an awful example finding a job is shit in this economy and, pound for pound, men have it no worse at all the issue is college degree distribution and the fact that school is boring as shit and not built for men and boys at all
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:30 AM
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I think they're right. or at least that it's more true for them than us and I'm jealous and resentful of it. I wish I could just... never need them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:28 AM
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ok, so what I mean is simple. "women are lying to not hurt feelings, they hate men much more than that let on, and I wish they'd just say it."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:37 AM
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ffs lol nitpick every word anybody says
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:19 AM
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I have moved on. I'm merely wishing for them to admit the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:36 PM
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I never asked for it. I asked for their honesty
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:31 PM
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💯 I truly just wish they'd admit that they don't like nor care about men and we can all move on. but they can't get themselves to say it because they don't want to hurt people's feelings and I'm sick of it. I wish they'd just unleash.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:57 PM
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"I'm horny" is easy to say for men "I'm going to die alone" is not
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:50 PM
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and you provide zero contradiction to actual data showing they have it harder I am not living through that. I'm a victim of nothing. I'm 33 I used to think it was bullshit neckbeard stuff bc I' was hitched ten years ago a lot has changed for men, my wife agrees with me you're in denial and condescending to boot
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:45 PM
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data change is different than having an emo phase you grow out of
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:38 PM
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when did I blame women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:48 PM
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main issue is this - In just the last ten years, the portion of young single men has gone from 40 to 60 percent they've got no one parents? you're a wimp other men? gay therapy? expensive and probably just a woman anyway with a hundred dollar fee every week they have nobody and I'm 33, I got hitched before all this happened "Back in my day", I thought red pill was all bullshit neck beards and to be fair, at the time, it pretty much was
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:23 PM
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half this shit is a massive disagreement on what "mommy" means here LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:35 PM
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the belief that if we just cheer women on enough, society will fix itself red pill needs to stop hating women. I hate trump, I hate Tate... BUT the facts are what they are, especially for men over the last ten years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:31 PM
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plenty of them went Trump last time
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:17 AM
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to hire 30 million people so they don't jump off buildings? seems low
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:59 AM
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yeah while 30 dollar drones from Target do a better job for Ukraine
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:58 AM
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it's 500 billion, that isn't that much money you think the economy can't fit that in?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:50 AM
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Obama to Trump is the biggest political realignment of this era. it won't be dated until the next realignment happens in like 10 or 20 years. and framing is everything with anything to do with politics
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:49 AM
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it's 500 billion to do a federal jobs guarantee and we throw 1.7 trillion at jets that don't work https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/politics/f-35-missing-jet-what-matters#:~:text=The%20most%20expensive%20US%20defense,near%20Lakes%20Marion%20and%20Moultrie.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:48 AM
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sigh there's always going to be some of anything you have to look at trajectory
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:38 AM
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the problem with Gen z is that their reaction does them zero policy favors
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:38 AM
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https://jacobin.com/2024/05/cwcp-job-guarantee-poll tldr data for progress - 74% Harris/Hill - 70% justice collaborative/dfp - 64% cwcp/Jacobin - 62% yougov/Jacobin - 60% indeed - 56% civis analytics - 52% rasmussen - 48% ANES - 46% average - 59.1% oh, and Obama to Trump voters? support this by +26
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:36 AM
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basically. hire 15 to 30 million to fill some potholes, plant trees, whatever at 30 an hour and be done with it then they can pay for dinner once or twice, buy a bit of a Christmas gift, pad a resume it's 500 billion a year and has 70 percent voter approval - a majority of Republicans iirc too
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:23 AM
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federal jobs guarantee would fix it I'm American, here, you could fund one with 500 billion a year and it has 70 percent voter approval in polling you don't have to make more money than your gf anymore, but there's at least some hope in believing you won't be fired and destitute.... before you can have the simple dignity of getting her a Valentine's Day card.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:16 AM
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no. I think it's the opposite older generations don't fully grasp just how much the game has changed I'm 33 and had to look up the numbers because red pill sounds like bullshit based on my own experience but 60 percent of young men are single now, compared to 40 percent when I got hitched just ten years ago are they handling it well and intelligently? fuck no but do they have a point? absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:36 AM
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they don't want babies maybe 30,000 dollar marriages to celebrate themselves though
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:21 AM
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because it reveals the truth you don't actually want them and that, ultimately, is better painful? sure but at least not a lie
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:20 AM
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Career success! nothing makes men more miserable! you just want to believe that because it means you can dream of money lol look at all these billionaires in the news? meaningful? the richest men in history and they're all a bunch of miserable creeps committing horrific crimes and are all so much more mediocre than the average undergrad student at a public college... and most men? they ain't successful, I don't blame them, and the economy has been shit for 25 years anyway you literally just admi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:19 AM
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yup fatherhood is low key the last vestige of meaning that men have and if it's surrogacy or adopting or whatever? at least it's a purpose
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:20 AM
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and you're right. and it shouldn't. but my darkest fantasy is not violence or control - it's men just choosing ai and ai porn over you. and you can have all the money, a mansion, a phd hung huge on your wall, a balcony view of the ocean, a private jet... whatever you dream of. But alone. the shadow part of me wants to see that happen. that you win. and "enjoy it". having earned it all. but alone. as alone as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:18 AM
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then don't and just leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:12 AM
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marriage isn't but kids are and birth rates are plummeting everywhere. none of that is your fault. none of that should make men hate you. but you don't want us many of you walk around with male extinction fantasies in your head, at least every so often. perhaps save for a handful of em left to propagate the species but that would finally feel safe for you, shouldn't it? ten thousand years of patriarchy, gone just peace you don't want men. maybe specific ones. but not "men".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:07 AM
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they love taking, never giving same thing the other way tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:00 AM
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they live for it. they fantasize about it. they'll never admit it, but it's an empowering revenge fantasy for patriarchy, for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:58 PM
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it's not about treating them as temporary it's about making sure you leave before you get left or at least aren't blindsided
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:57 PM
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threatening and uncomfortable to see men be sad about it? they want to see it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:56 PM
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no, you just don't want men in the first place, to nearly the same extent and there's nothing wrong with that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:54 PM
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it is there's something like a 4 to 1 ratio of men to women on them literally 80/20 that's not the fault of women really, but it is a numbers game
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:06 PM
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I'm married. but I got hitched ten years ago. for the longest time, I've thought this red pill Gen z thing was bullshit. I'm 33. but the reality of it is that single hood in younger men has jumped from 40 to 60 percent in ten years you're 38. their game has changed. they are not wrong to feel aggrieved. they are absolutely NOT handling it well overall, but teenagers will be teenagers. they are also NOT wrong in the #foreveralone thing either
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:43 PM
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that's the entire point of it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:16 PM
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this has been the case for most of human history most men's lives were violent, brutal, and short - or they were sent out to sea to discover islands and shit to stay busy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:15 PM
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then what's the half full version of it? the best way to see it, imo? completely empty fill the glass with whatever you want and need to
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:12 PM
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that's the cycle of abuse that has to be broken sympathy for the devil is hard
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:09 PM
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why is acceptance a terrible way to see the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:08 PM
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because men still suffer much more in this equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:57 PM
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misogyny is hating women red pill is hating how fucking impossible it is to have them at the end of it, red pill should mean acceptance of the bleak numbers and taking what little positives you can get from modern life and holding onto those memories. (until or unless anything changes but I've no reason to think it will) it's easier to get a woman by letting go of the desire than to chase it anyhow you will never be alone. men? always will.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:53 PM
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data backs it though, especially for men who receive
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:37 PM
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Things like HIV and STD's change the calculus around bi men in ways that women are not going to admit to because it would be quite rude to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:56 AM
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what is wrong with you guys...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:45 AM
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yup like you make 150k a year, no I do not want to compete with that - I want to rest my dreams of what I wanted to do with my life were crushed by providership norms by the time I was 9 years old. I'm not passionate about shit, career wise. just let me rest and slow down, for the love of God
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:34 PM
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have you read the comments in this subreddit? why do you think they should be better?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:57 PM
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that's cool but I'm just saying, I don't expect anything for any of those holidays either as for the others, fair points but I also think there's a weird phenomenon where women expected feminism to enhance the success of both men and women, and men expected it to let them chill out more on providership pressures and now everybody hates each other
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:57 PM
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do women do much for men for Valentine's Day? idgaf either way, understandable in this economy smoke a bowl and fuck on the couch
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:52 PM
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we all really need to stop drawing off 1 anecdote ffs at least have 2!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:50 PM
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looks matter significantly in the beginning but they are fairly simple to rectify well enough to compete in the (I fucking hate this term but) "dating market". You can find articles of clothing, accessories, color coordinations, glasses/hats/facial hair/hairstyles that flatter your face shape, etc. There is a point to "looksmaxxing"! But it's more like a 20 minute overview on personal details and the fashions that flatter you best than hiring the mafia to break your knees so you can get 2 inches…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:28 AM
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it's watching porn as bad or worse than distributing it? no.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:17 PM
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yes but it's a lot less of a sticking point than it used to be, due to the above it's weird. like hypergamy is both a valid point AND has never been less of a good one - yet it's a more popular criticism than ever
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:15 PM
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money maybe in 1950 but it's a lot less important when you've got your own... or more
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:47 PM
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I agree a hundred percent with that we're shooting ourselves in the foot with all this instead of like labor unions
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:56 PM
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that's the thing, this is just the usual Red Pill bullshit that, even if true for one dude, is completely stupid to extrapolate to 4 billion other men wash, rinse, repeat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:49 PM
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fair. but plenty did.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:00 PM
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ding ding ding. you can't do that. I'd love to be doted on as much as possible, 25/7 My flair is only half a joke but it's not realistic. it's a fantasy. it belongs in your head or in your bedroom, not in your expectations of life once a dude gets over that, we can all just vibe about how work wants us there way too early, how everything sucks because it's too expensive to live, and how modern life leads to hella isolation... and then, hey wait a minute, we can fix actual problems (or at least p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:59 PM
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that's not some polite disagreement, that's setting an impossible expectation that half the population will emotionally rescue the other half.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:54 PM
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You are waking up to the end of the mommy fantasy and the realization that women are just flawed people who can cause tears just as often as wipe them away. That's life. Using "well, we can always just vote for a million Trumps to scare you into submission again and again" never changes that crucial point, besides being morally wrong anyway. It's not women on Reddit, it's the end of the mommy fantasy. Because this is everywhere. All the time. They are not endless healers and nurturers. (There's …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:55 AM
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Yes, basically we are all sour. "is it equality you're after or revenge?" and maybe that's the whole cosmic purpose for all of the MAGA, Red Pill, etc. stuff for women - when does the rage and hate just snap and explode back? maybe they're testing that. I've always been interested in really understanding what's underneath your (women's) minds. like the unhinged, sadistic, women's ultimate rage takes on this shit - unfiltered for what that darkness and indignancy really contains. because I get th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:57 AM
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Thanks. I won't lie, I'd be super Red Pill too... I don't blame them. Only... I believe something can be figured out that gives men enough self worth to just... move past this Though, I've never felt like there's any sort of effort to make men matter now. You don't need us. nobody really does. letting go is love at its most basic. but it still hurts to just... float around for no real need. And yes, I did just make it about me. But... that self centeredness too, is honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 11:25 PM
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Lack of self worth. Children innately see their parents as equal. Providership is a "man's job". If your father makes 5x as much as your mother, you learn that men must make 5x the money to be equal to women. I don't care if women make whatever amount of money, have whatever success, and do whatever they want to. I do care if I feel like 1/5th of a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 10:35 PM
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Do they? Because I'm sure some do, but this sounds extremely hyperbolic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 09:05 PM
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so you... what? pine for their affection while actively avoiding them? you can "looks max" in a balanced way if that's your deal - look up and get style recommendations for your body type and face shape, accessories, color coordinate, etc you can apply for jobs, join apprenticeships, go to vocational rehab programs, whatever if you don't have money and jobs working for you. your problem is giving up entirely so that you can prove your hypothesis that women are all bad by virtue of never being ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:51 PM
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Midwest usa I've just got no idea how y'all think "I hate you, please fuck me" is some superior dating strategy you can think whatever, you're free to but does that make any sense? and two, if you've just given up on dating, who's responsible for that? that's your choice. not some woman's. or women as some hive mind. you guys deciding to give up on dating is your decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:59 PM
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i can assure you, I'm nothing to envy I'm not particularly pretty, my job makes 30k a year, etc. but I can also assure you that your sour grapes do not help you being a half decent person goes a lot longer than you guys think
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:59 PM
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what incentive do friendships have for people to do this I'm any case, I've had more women pay for dates than myself
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:42 PM
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I can only speak for me but that makes me really sad
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:43 PM
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okay that's a really good point family and friends differ, I should add! I would go so far as to say do not be vulnerable with family - and yes, probably women more than men there
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:42 PM
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both, I can't sleep with everyone, despite my charm
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:40 PM
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it's not the drama, it's the role play; power exchanges and that sort of thing there's a purpose, not just mindless screaming
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:37 AM
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you're still doing it wrong because you can do that on the Internet way more efficiently
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:27 AM
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IDK I like women and those Epstein files hurt my soul, for instance sometimes, people are just cool to be around and many of them are women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:22 AM
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seems really fucking boring to just stare at someone all day
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:18 AM
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how vulnerable I can be with them. I've told women my most intense thoughts, most humiliating feelings, most embarrassing kinks, most frightened moments. None mocked, none ran off, none used it against me. most were downright supportive. or neutral, at worst. I've NEVER understood the idea that men couldn't be vulnerable around them. my experience has been the opposite, personally IDK what I'd do without them tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:56 AM
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I personally don't but I know I'm only one person
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:38 AM
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so why not just.... not do PIV?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:31 AM
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wtf are you red pill dorks talking about lol if she texts you all day with 🍆 🍑 😩 💦 emojis, she's probably into you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:30 AM
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I mean, I get why anyone would be hesitant but there are condoms, ovulation trackers, birth control... hell, there's mutual masturbation, pegging, etc. if you don't even want to be on the risk planet at all And honestly? even in the absolute worst case where you get pregnant, plenty of people just do fine I'm not saying the opposite to your point either. it's absolutely smart to be cautious. but sex isn't Chernobyl.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:25 AM
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They can't, it's just true. The door just locks, no way around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:20 AM
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I feel like you're holding back. felt like I resonated, but then you took an offramp that was... too soon? maybe I'm completely wrong. but a decade of that? I'd hate men, full stop. and tbh, I think that's what they want you to do we live in an era where men don't know if women share anger and women don't know if men share love like you can't throw a glass bottle at a wall. I can't cry. you must be soft. I must never be. so we test each other. like the hate is just an embroidery of opposites, ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:57 PM
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and the ones that worshipped Elliott Rodger
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:20 PM
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okay so do your own study
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:56 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1447861/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:13 PM
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how tall are you? 80 ft?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:11 PM
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Alright fine, you ready for some real shit? Statistically speaking - like 90-99% chance - when I'm on my deathbed, the last face I'll ever see is a woman's And the same goes for the first one any given human will ever see.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:08 PM
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I've seen that one Twitter post from 2015, too!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:57 PM
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if the broader population hears "he's a rapist!" and that one sentence makes them believe it.... they're free to and you can't change that then what? because you're not being arrested, you've got due process, there's generally similar channels for e.g. employment and universities in terms of investigations and evidence. THAT SAID. its also surprisingly easy to just change your entire social circle... you don't really have to go far away and if you did get false allegations that are informal and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:50 PM
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I'm just going to validate you here bc I've never understood this one-- why not just... find somebody you actually wouldn't hate sitting on the couch and talking with; and fuck that person
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:44 PM
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Meh, the women here hate the men too, they're just more polite when saying it The men here love the women too, they're just angry about it There's not much variance at heart, I can guarantee you y'all should have an Internet hug session! but only if the women turned their DM's off because oh my god.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:39 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1447861/ In these terms (of physical contact to the point of orgasm), the data in the present study indicate that at least 37 percent of the male population has some homosexual experience between the beginning of adolescence and old age. This is more than one male in three of the persons that one may meet as he passes along a city street. Among the males who remain unmarried until the age of 35, almost exactly 50 per cent have homosexual experience betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:27 PM
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now I'm curious with you - in what ways are you a "low value man"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:22 PM
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I don't think anyone is fully straight - it's kinda like saying someone is "fully tall". and, while women may truly be more likely to enjoy the same sex, I also think stigma around men getting boners for dudes, uh, jerks these numbers around... quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:19 PM
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I've been told that I'm a fun-guy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:14 PM
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sure, but that's a lot of words that don't disagree with mine to open this up further, I have seen a shift since #MeToo in how these things are covered the Depp/Heard thing was emblematic of this but People really are not rushing to judgement the way they were, they are letting processes play out, and they are seeing some nuance in e.g. the severity of claims now, the cynic in me just kinda sees all this and says "most people are probably looking at literally every billionaire and every person i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:19 AM
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IDK, for anything with these kinds of ramifications, at this magnitude? I'm not sure how you expect the general public to "do better". I just don't see the kind of rush to judgment that you're claiming here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:00 AM
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it's the way one thinks of other people that reveals itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:12 AM
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Another point for my theory that women are slowly becoming red pillers - if not in ideology, then in thinking. "Men are just investments." My argument here is less that you're wrong and more that humanity is fucked and if you look at other people this way, you're exhibiting one of your own undesirable traits that I wouldn't tolerate. At least not forever, if I made the mistake of overlooking it first.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:07 AM
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okay, then share your thoughts... or don't, I don't care. I mean, I do because I'm curious... But you did admit it generally and thats brave af anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:49 AM
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what do you think Reddit is lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:22 PM
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I think a lot of these things are situational and you have to look at symptoms. A lot of people have depression and will never admit it. A lot of people will say they have depression after one bad day.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:10 PM
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no and the thing they never tell you is that your platonic friendships will, almost always, outlast your romantic ones when you're that age
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:27 PM
1

a giant amoeba? I've always gone with eternal spiral how does giant amoeba Jesus operate?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:00 PM
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it's the only thing that makes sense to me maybe it WAS the shrooms
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:52 PM
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you called?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:43 PM
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33m Midwest usa taoist (if I have to pick something 🙄) I'm going to be brutally honest, masturbation covers like 90% of it Genitals in general are weird intimacy from cuddling, humor and inside jokes, just living together, loving each other, having someone next to you when you wake up? that's honestly better. Vaseline and a bathtub to rub one out is fine enough for me I think a lot of these male virgins on the Internet would lighten up and have more well rounded mental health if they realized ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 08:42 PM
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I mean, you're free to think what you want to. I get why you might. I just don't agree, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:39 PM
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one begets the other quite a bit, imo
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:56 PM
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you're right but for the wrong reasons men do not have the kind of social connections and simple care that women do when is the last time most men got a text or call from anyone in their lives saying "hey, how are you doing"? it never happens. nevermind any emotional/social support beyond that maybe it's truly because we don't matter, maybe it's because we're assumed to be able to bear it but regardless, it can make all the difference in the world to just have... someone sit on a couch next to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:39 PM
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lol so then are you just posturing because you're a chick and all "these loser guys on Reddit" are just so pathetic, but in reality your life is pretty similar and you want to feel better about yourself by comparison?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:34 PM
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who ticks off what boxes then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:21 PM
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what is it that you wanted and what is it that you got
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:02 PM
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how general are your standards though? e.g. is politically aligned with me vs. must be this tall to ride vs. much have been born in the Pacific Northwest in the spring of 1994, wear flannel, and chop lumber daily
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:02 PM
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Why would you have standards at all? The only standard anybody should have is "I like you". the rest? are always and will always be negotiable; depending on a billion variables you're writing a contract with yourself to only like certain people and you're bound to fail at it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:31 PM
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You're not getting dark enough. Read between the lines of posts and comments, there's obvious glee that some women take reading men's struggles and even suffering. it's not proper for them to admit this: "haha, we've got the money, college degrees, beauty, success, independence, intelligence... We are better than you, better off without you, you're the bitch now, and all you'll ever be is alone". NOBODY wants to admit that some women do think that. (But honestly? it's understandable, societally.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:00 PM
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or OP just make sure your friends aren't snitches
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:23 PM
1

no shit, more attractive people are more attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:21 PM
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who has to know
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:58 AM
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are you guys ever going to drop the armchair anthropology thing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:11 AM
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iirc something about races of people coming together for some manly man political revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:10 AM
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most people are only super talented at one thing, if any. how different is it if they might just have a bigger buffet of potential turn ons? plus, c'mon, you've probably got more than just one if you think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:46 AM
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with the exception of extreme displays of intelligence, those do turn me on because I wonder what interesting things her mind could come up with to do to me 😆 ok so talent/impressiveness do turn you on, too...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:41 AM
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I'm genuinely curious what this dude has in mind though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:17 AM
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No one is looking to this generation of average men with any positive men . They're getting disrespected constantly by women in and out of social media , they belittle eachothers all the time for the sake of women and are in competing with gay men for the most " feminist " social group without forgetting how far they are in comparison to women in term of education, finance and social perspective... Elaborate on this point specifically, please. Exactly what are you saying here?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:13 AM
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I think Red Pill men just went to drag you down into some imagined past that feels like equality to them because modern life makes them hate themselves. education levels, income, moving out, beauty, softness... there's not much there for them nor for men generally. all the hate for women you sense in these places is just self hatred spilling over. and NOBODY wants to talk about that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:55 AM
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I'm saying that. I'm not arguing it. and beneath all that red pill chest thumping is probably that feeling
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:36 PM
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I'm not going to argue that. what's there to argue? at least I'm being honest. maybe the next generation can see themselves better
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:54 PM
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no. but I do. I'm constantly ready to be left, mentally and emotionally. once she sees the equation marriage, family, kids, every day choosing me... and I still feel like this
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:49 PM
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equality is actually hard as a kid, my dad made 3x what my mom did - and as a kid your default is to see your parents as equal - so I internalized "a man must make 3x what his wife does to be equal" now, my wife makes around 4x what I do you are taught from day one that providership is really your one true value as a person so what does that make me, then? 1/12 of what my wife's value as a person is? I'll tell you, this is not an easy time It requires a ton of trust and communication and we all …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:44 PM
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yeah, no it's bait positive or negative audience makes no difference they monetize the shit out of it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:11 AM
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picky is just if you complain about men while being more content single anyway if men suck, don't bother same for men with women why is everyone pining for people they hate anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 10:17 PM
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Fuck no. I want to be a trophy husband. Have you seen the economy?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 10:11 PM
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the fact that women couldn't even legally take out loans until 1974 plays a role in this dynamic. because I do think it's murky but changing. that kinda thing was only one generation ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:16 PM
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that's what I mean exactly though everyone is women aren't some special species
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 12:44 PM
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I've hurt enough women through ghosting, breakups, running away, abandoning, etc. in my younger years to where I can't even forgive myself, nevermind be bitter point being, you really have to reflect on your own actions and words with other people - because if you do, I guarantee you'll find that you're no saint.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:56 AM
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I don't blame the ones saying they don't, if I'm being completely honest. The comments on here and elsewhere would leave me feeling hated for my gender, resented for my successes, and ultimately pushed away. 💔
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:24 AM
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Honesty is really all. I HATE that e.g. making significantly less than my wife makes me feel like I deserve to be eating dog food and sleeping on the floor but talking about these things is better than running away from them. I don't measure up to who I'm shadow boxing against but it isn't her. it's just me. and maybe what my dad was, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:15 AM
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IDK man, you seem to have at least a decent enough grasp of emotions and experiences. the problem with incels is that they are merely wrong at every stage in human history that echoes this one, it was the poets, writers, and musicians that made the women touch themselves. not "Chad". bleed yourself in ink and they'll be far more likely to not just love, but lust and pine for you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 08:45 PM
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but you're just speaking of branches off the same tree self hatred, resignation, sorrow you miss women, even if you never had one and that's kind of a mind fuck, ain't it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:58 PM
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it sounds like self hatred to me, what would you call it instead
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:28 PM
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why do you guys hate yourselves this much? honest question
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:44 PM
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this is completely backwards incels are sold the idea that sex is the end all, but if they ever actually have it, it's not THAT powerful companionship, at least for straight men? a VAST MAJORITY never get the sort of emotionally deep kinds of relationships that women offer from any other source plus, it's way easier for a guy to say he's horny than not okay
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:38 PM
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yes. treat yourself better first. men destroy themselves to be worthy of women in ways women never even asked us to. take care of yourself. 8 hours of sleep. eat breakfast. take a mental health day. that's not weak - it's strategic. life is a marathon and not a sprint. half the men hating women are living with unaddressed chronic pain, emotional exhaustion, and whatever else. take care of yourselves. no women are asking you to kill yourself. most are wondering why you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:58 PM
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then what are you? mournful?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 05:22 AM
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Be mad at women all you'd like but it's manosphere dwelling Red Pillers painting all men as hateable assholes so that their misery can have company.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:58 AM
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I don't find being a man to be a prison at all. masculine expectations? sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:51 AM
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yup. the male side of it is just louder
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:42 AM
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okay, so what identification are we speaking of here
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:42 AM
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what are you saying you should do if you dont need it then
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:25 AM
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then what is it that you are trying to say here, exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:51 AM
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"boys, the good news is, you can just cut your balls off and all will be well!" yeah, no. I'm a man. i'm also a softie and I'm sensitive and I find talking about feelings fascinating. idgaf
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:22 AM
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I've been told
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 11:59 PM
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you could've said the same about women going to college in 1965 I've got no perfect prediction, just vibes maybe it's parenting or working with kids if we can reduce the stigma around men doing that but things will swing and generally? the logic behind our gender roles contains within it the seeds of its own destruction men aren't doing well at school and jobs because of the pressure to provide women aren't having kids because of the pressure to parent perfectly in many ways, it would make more …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:34 PM
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there's a difference between porn and relationships though and I think men have much higher standards for the latter
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:50 PM
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I envy the problems you focus on in your life lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:48 PM
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are you sure they have no standards or perhaps their preferences are different than yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:30 PM
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the sentiment is true but therapy won't do it you're better off adopting a dog or having an AI gf than going to therapy, when somebody charges you 100 dollars for an hour a week of a business transaction Chatgpt or Claude are better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:15 PM
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it's easier than ever to compare to other men but women have the freedom to say no (a good thing!) and men now are left with that aftermath we are still built for a society where a woman's presence in a man's life stabilized his emotions, well-being, and human connection that part is outdated but also deeply ingrained women are better off single than men are because of this dynamic but as with education levels and income and so on, gender dynamics like this are prone to shift over time and I gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:31 PM
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That's easy - you can leave. And probably have the emotional durability to do it more than they do. I don't think they actually want to cause all this pain, deep down. They want a feminism where women freely choose them but they don't think they're worth it. They're more afraid of uncontrollable rejection than controllable. So they make themselves hateable enough to control rejection than be taken by surprise. if you listen to male music these days? it's basically just... "I know you'll leave so…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 06:14 PM
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I'm not sure what you're saying here?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:56 PM
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NO, surprisingly. https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/ incels are: 44.7% left wing 38.9% right wing 17.5% centrist I'm as left wing as they generally come: Feminist af because if they win, life is better. I want ICE abolished, universal healthcare, UBI, 4 day work week, Green New Deal, AOC, Make America Denmark, whatever. But we cannot ignore statistics. And also? That data may show a path to winning these men over by pointing their hatred towards the billionaire class instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:44 PM
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build a friendship first without expectations the trade off is that it's much, much harder when you are rejected but the benefit is that it's much better odds and much more deep the moment she says yes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:23 PM
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The same reason you guys are obsessed with "looksmaxxing"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:56 PM
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Why do you assume women did it? Look at all the other pics of the guy. He doesn't look bad anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 12:55 PM
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bold of you to assume red pill social circles are composed of any women and that's the real dating issue for them
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:31 AM
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Here's the uncomfortable shit I need to know to think about this - What exactly have your experiences with men been? "They insult me", "they push boundaries", "they are entitled", " they are bad"... VALID! 💯 many people are! BUT, unless I know what you concretely and specifically go through, I can never know what to really think about it (This isn't just a woman thing, this is a human thing, too!) And I do not think I'm the only man who struggles with that in these kinds of discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:15 AM
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my two cents? -men are more visually aroused, women more verbally -men want sex fast so they can remove sexual bias from how they evaluate a partner... women want to make sure that a partner is seriously compatible so they can wisely evaluate the sex beforehand (and possible children) and yet these aren't that distinctive either - women can get off on porn, men on the right smut books - they just choose differently for efficiency purposes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:58 PM
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not 1200 based on your original post - 2 million
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:41 PM
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they certainly do but 2 million is a huge number.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:19 PM
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I really don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that the bar is so low if he swiped on 2 million and got only 2,000 matches and just one date. This is an absurdly great argument for the opposite point.... but I also don't know how somebody has the time and persistence to swipe 2 million times. so I'm about 99 percent sure this whole thing is bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:57 PM
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💯 I wish we could just get back to identifying basic morality again though it's just wrong to e.g. rip up accomplishments like university degrees because women are achieving them more now if you win, you win - good game and come back next year flipping the chess board in shame is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 03:24 PM
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I've seen women get jealous of the divided attention as far as red pill and video games and weed? you really think having children INCREASES that behavior? probably in 50 year old divorced dads that take their pickup truck Facebook selfies in their Oakleys... but holy shit I never needed a kid to lay on the couch and play Xbox this, at best, isn't a gendered thing (men leaving because they don't want to take care of the kid is a different matter, to be fair. you see it especially when parents ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:38 PM
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look, I'm not saying you have to believe anything you don't want to but the world is weird and what appears at first glance can get pretty murky when you get into it https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/ brain patterns in transgender women better matches their perceived sex BEFORE any added hormonal influence https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37138506/ trans breast milk... works https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:25 PM
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Men do have the opposite pressures though. it makes sense for women to want meaning beyond marriage and kids. For men, that same existential shift has to come around things like jobs, money, hard work vs. rest, and head-of-household duties. that stuff is toxic when you take it to an absolute - if you're throwing a fit because your gf beat you at mini golf, your "I must always win and be better at everything in order to be a real man" is destroying yourself and those around you. who wants to be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:52 PM
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you can say the same about raising a kid in a certain religion. or society. or arrest all doctors who ever performed circumcision. we used to think lobotomies worked. we used to think burning people at the stake would save them from everlasting damnation relatedly, the default for doctors is to throw intersex children into boy or girl category, generally with surgery too all in the purest sense of concern for their well-being we also used to think children were too young to understand pain and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:13 AM
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that's how everything in mental health works. I can go into a psychiatrist office today, exhibit certain behaviors and say some words, and convince them that I have schizophrenia and need meds for it. and honestly? life is hard. if you wanna cut your balls off and put on a dress, well, I commend you for coping with everything life throws at you in such a harmless manner look at the news. if the worst thing a dude ever does is put on some panties and wanna get called "she", then we're in for a mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 06:03 AM
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what part of transgenderism, to you, equates to 2+2=5 and why is that such a sternly held belief that your vote would hinge on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:37 AM
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the #1 rule - know yourself I know I'd be an unpleasant asshole to my family if I were in a 1950s marriage, my dad was, his dad was, etc. from other stories I've heard? same deal. why keep doing that, at least so often? why pine for that past?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 02:37 AM
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it's the vibe though don't take everything literally
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 02:32 AM
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having a wife and kids to work for provides more motivation than not more people are pairing up now on the basis of actual choice rather than economic coercion there's always a clear path to marriage - pair up and get married. obviously it's easier said than done. but it's pretty fucking clear. but 4? most importantly? you'll be free to live a life that's more on your own terms if you aren't caged into a role if they make their own money and do their things, you have more space to do you - go be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:35 AM
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granting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:21 AM
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Yes, and I think feminism winning accomplishes that overall happiness better in the long run
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:02 AM
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you can think of the life you want to live without relying on 1950s tropes to design it for you and that's more manly than copy-pasting it for other people's approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:05 AM
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what did e.g. liberal states do specifically, and that conservative ones did not? what liberal values, specifically, destroyed your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:35 PM
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Cool. enjoy your day. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:32 PM
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meaning, are you acting like he's a bad person for not bending over backwards for you in turn personally, I'd rather the kind of girl that sits on the couch and laughs with me, as we both half ass the dishes than one that tries to give me the world but screams at me if my reaction isn't completely and purely perfect you can poison the good deeds entirely if they just lead to a fight afterwards
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:28 PM
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are you guilt tripping him into matching you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:25 PM
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this doesn't happen. you can argue that "tEchNIcaLLy, ShE cONsEntED!" but that's arguing in a spacetime vacuum. if you're pressuring someone OVER AND OVER into sex, that NEVER exists without some secondary coercive variable - size, coercion, threat, manipulation, fucking exhaustion!, etc. Put simply? 5 million no's should've given you the message. Fuck, ONE "no" should get you to back off and AT LEAST make you give her space and ask again later ffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:23 PM
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yeah, no your example is textbook rape, not "grey rape" you could argue that there's not enough "tiers of severity" seen when it comes to sexual assault - some things are worse than others but when you get into that kind of example? that's not gray.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:10 PM
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that's understandable, it's just a juggling act but so is anything with parenting maybe you just let hubby have a shit job and live in a somewhat shit box apartment while you nurse the kiddo for a few years until you can send the kid to free public school and THEN you either decide that life is good enough or you put the pedal to the metal but there is also the aspect of.... dads want to be with their kids too especially nowadays, try to let him have that too
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:03 PM
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is this happening? and where? or are you speaking from an experience of "wow I didn't get near the effort out of him as I put in" even though he probably just puts the same effort into anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:57 PM
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I agree. maybe some can make it work my experience is that it's very rare
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:50 PM
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then: -don't have kids -change the system -keep begging for the unicorn that doesn't punch holes in walls as a result of that pressure -get a better paying job yourself -or trade down your lifestyle - all I begged for as a kid was for my parents to stop living higher because they'd just fight about it; I'd have rather been in a studio apartment in a slightly safe area if it meant household peace ... and recognize that your very job allows you a lot of aligned time with your own kids - summer off…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:49 PM
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I'm sure one exists but it ain't me. I detest traditional roles with a fiery passion because I know that would turn me into a loose cannon that punches holes in the wall. that kinda pressure is extremely harsh to put on anyone I'm on the men's side here, whether they want to argue with me or not. protect your peace, guys
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:38 PM
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sure, there never was though but these days, what's different is that these dudes are being shown behaviors and outbursts that keep them single because nobody wants to be around them more single and alone than just there not being someone for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:26 PM
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you can't fix a systemic problem via an individual either
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:09 PM
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not exactly modern employment structure still carries that assumption of 1950s wife and kids motivation even though you are correct in saying that it's... outdated at best a wife and kids will provide you the boost to work 60 hour weeks and get black lung disease but you've still got a survival instinct you're just looking for a breather - go vote for a four day work week and a union to give you paid leave and shit then build yourself a life that's yours and at a human pace, even if it's a humbl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 06:45 PM
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describing the legs, where you put your ass, how you sit in it? quite useful info if you need it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:35 PM
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but the entire thing is about communicating clearly and you're demonstrating the exact evasive communication you're mad at women for I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying you do the exact same shit because you two are doing it right now lol so probably fix it in yourself first, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:11 PM
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and you're still not communicating clearly. you're rambling what is it that this dude said not "oh he vaguely outlined the thing" VERBATIM, give me something to work with
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:25 PM
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so what was this person saying specifically? I'm sorry, but you're not communicating clearly here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:36 PM
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how, are you typing this from jail
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:53 AM
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who is a social pariah for acknowledging that gender differences exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:52 AM
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this is about on here though so are you just dumping shit on this subreddit because it feels like a place you can do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:48 AM
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they have an axe to grind against "that one ex", "that date that rejected me", "that divorce", whatever I've no problem saying this place is a cesspool of misogyny, as well as many other toxic and stupid things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:47 AM
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perfect equality can't even be achieved between any two people stop using gender differences as an excuse to treat people like shit or see them as less than you everybody is different, gender is a pretty small part of it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:43 AM
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actually stating personal, raw stories e.g. on podcasts, movies, video games, etc. instead of "patriarchy" and theory. behind every statistic is a better story. and if you hear them? yeah, no, men don't have it harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:51 PM
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it's an opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:48 PM
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and?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:40 PM
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and? who gives a shit what one person says
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:36 PM
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many didn't many men also did
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:34 PM
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https://www.sciencenordic.com/forskningno-gender-and-society-society--culture/family-life-makes-nordic-men-happy/1455058 who told you that you couldn't work hard in a high social welfare state anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:33 PM
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Good for you, so what's your argument? what's your alternative idea here?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 03:26 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 03:08 PM
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no. modern relationships are basically "woman makes more money and man pushes her away until she leaves because he's convinced she will anyway" all their dads got divorced in 1993 and they made twice what mom did and it still wasn't enough. now? these dudes are making less than what their gf's do. what chance do they have? might as well enjoy the affection, sex, and connection for the fleeting time you can. and as for the woman? he's hoping she enjoys their time for what it is, just leaves when …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 03:06 PM
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Really sounds like it hinges entirely on "do you expect to get fucked if you do this thing?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:42 PM
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you can make reciprocal sacrifices without expecting anything in return. that's what being in love really is anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:39 PM
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All of these answers, I'm just sitting here thinking "yeah, there's a subset of men that are into that shit".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:37 PM
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you neglect the fact that feminists are MUCH more open to discussion over how fucked up extreme capitalism gets than conservatives are. Trump? Tate? Rogan? Jordan Peterson? even Scott Galloway and "positive" male influencers? they are NOT your friend. they want you to have to be as miserable as they are because all of them would've chosen stay at home dad or video game design or travel vlogger if they could. they hate having wasted their lives on shit they never wanted to do feminists? they main…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:27 PM
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if feminists wanted to actually justify anything (win) they'd come up with something else. consider "patriarchy" a gift to your red pill delusions
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:04 PM
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"patriarchy" is a shit term because it implies that all men are fated to be at fault for every gendered issue ever a more compelling feminist point might be: "us making more money opens up space for you to be with your kids". or any number of examples where men do not have to adhere so militantly to roles that, quite frankly, suck balls. I want the feminists to win. and in no small part because it will make our lives better too, even if they constantly overlook that point. feminism winning will …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:38 PM
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that's a prejudgement. you can never really tell what someone's deal is without knowing their story
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:18 PM
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I think the opposite. everything is oversimplified to dumb bullshit like 80/20, AFBB, Chad and Stacy, and whatever the fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:17 PM
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I'm not uncomfortable, I'm asking what your experience is so that I can better grasp your perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:16 PM
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they're plenty expendable there's always somebody on deck to take that spot
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:15 PM
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I'd need to know way more details about his situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 01:16 AM
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Lilith, honest question... Are there things that have ruptured your relationship with men as a gender in your own life?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:44 AM
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Most of the problems in PPD would be solved if men sought out individual stories of how women's lives actually go. And as for women, if they presented their own stories for what they are, take it or leave it, stabby edges and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:35 AM
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congratulations, you've spent 5 seconds cumming in another person's hole but everybody still hates you what a life
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:43 PM
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you always can be expendable doesn't mean "must get rid of now"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:41 PM
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my guess is that it works I've known plenty of people who bitch so well that those around them would give anything to just get them to shut the fuck up lol it's probably exactly what's going on in these cases
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:40 PM
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then dont listen to them lol if you do, you're just encouraging it if I whine enough and you give in, all I learn is that whining is a great method for getting what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:00 PM
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there's always the option to be single and many women are picking that one Lots of the guys here are coping by saying "all women are only attracted to the top 20% of men", when in reality plenty of women are just content being single more than men are, but there also are plenty of men that are happy single too
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:55 PM
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we all do this though heads, I win tails, you lose everybody wants the benefit of both traditional roles and progressive ones that's one reason why you never hear from trad husbands, only trad wives.. those husbands do not actually want to go back to the coal mine they just want the leg up on the relationship dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:01 PM
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I don't like traditional roles but I will say I don't think many that actually believe in them think you should date men who do nothing traditional roles asks men to do dangerous and dirty jobs, be a sole provider, and sacrifice your life for every other slice of the population I don't think that's right, ergo I'm against them I think everyone should pull their weight in whatever balance works best for their relationship but that doing so is an individual journey for all couples
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:58 PM
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Yes actually
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:31 PM
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why is the latter so important lol why fuck someone you don't even like to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:01 AM
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Chad gets to go in the ground at the end of his natural life and become worm food like the rest of us. ain't nothing special about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:52 AM
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think what you want then 😐
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:51 AM
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Who is asking you to?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:49 AM
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so? nobody has to
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:38 AM
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but do you not see that there are more complications to the persona a man adopts over time than simply "be nice or be evil"? because there is a ton of pressure on men to be assholes. it is not a simple matter of "oh they were raised wrong" or "oh they're just evil at heart". they grow up seeing every instance of a successful man being a pig. the best they might get is a dad that clocks in, does an honest day's work, clocks out, and loves his family. but please, for the love of God, understand th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:37 AM
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honestly, I'd say "doing the right thing" is a much more complicated matter when your ideal social comparison is " brooding badass" Being an asshole offers benefits to men in such a way that it can often be seen like the right thing to do, even.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:48 AM
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the only way that works is if men become happy enough single to play hard to get
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:23 AM
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we've all always been expendable why not just be compassionate and warm to other people this life fucking sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:20 AM
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there's consequences of doing that kind of thing too, many would say worse ones
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:08 AM
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that's a very subjective judgement, if nothing else
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:06 AM
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autistic males are treated worse than autistic females because the path to success for so many men is shown, over and over again, to be a bad person "learn social skills" is not an appealing endeavor for a man himself or the people around him
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:33 AM
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do you have a, uh, "pro men are hot" bias that you aren't accepting in yourself? because this is not a thing. like ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:27 AM
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yeah, and most of those connections they get from the deal hate their guts. what gives?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:26 AM
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so this study was based on speed dating? lol you might have a point if you're just approaching some rando on the street, but there are plenty of fat guys with pretty women (and increasingly vice versa) when you get into true relationship dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:22 AM
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the sexist guys: a. brag about it all the time b. have few, if any, real connections to other people that go beyond the transactional c. end up in a Romanian prison look, people are going to be doing cartwheels in the streets when these guys die. even if it "works" for getting laid, you'll just get your grave pissed on later
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:12 AM
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if you think of this as either/or, sure but I do think most people can get the hint that a date doesn't like their gender, even if just a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:05 AM
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"liking women will get you further with them" is not exactly a difficult concept
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:59 AM
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yup "see, men? you have all the benefits in the world and we still fucking won. pathetic." "who's the bitch now? huh?" rightly or wrongly, that is absolutely the impression being given to men by both feminist rhetoric and societal circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:54 PM
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at some point, love comes into play and you can never love someone (or have a loving society) if they can't break your heart and leave or live how they want
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:06 PM
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why would you not she's her own person I think it should be the default that both keep their names and if they want to change them in whatever way, they can then hop on through all that paperwork but the name change paperwork is such a pain in the ass by itself
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 11:02 PM
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the rise in single men is caused by the following: *women > men in education and income now *women > men in time spent socializing *women > men in happiness while single there are actual SYSTEMIC ISSUES causing these deficits for men - the structure of school, aversion to debt and help, fear of being seen as a creep or burden and thus the assumption that your best position is behind a screen, at home. but if all you do is antagonize women over this shit, they're just going to hate you, or at lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 10:57 PM
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so they've gotten lazier, more afraid, and more selfish - and wonder why they aren't achieving sexual or relationship success?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:22 PM
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I completely agree that attractiveness is one validation that men receive far too little of
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:20 PM
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sure, but that wasn't the original question a woman valuing a man for money vs. a man valuing a woman for sex is a different matter that's, at best murky, and more specifically an equal mess that said, both shouldn't be surprised at the result that typically produces long term misery because you don't really like the person In both cases? you just like what you can get from them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 05:45 PM
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you act like personality isn't most of sexual attraction anyway break your knees to become taller, shave your jawline, take steroids, "looks maxx" - but if you're a Nazi, most people will just gravitate to the fat guy that isn't and you'll be stuck with useless medical bills
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:40 PM
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why are you guys so antagonistic to relationships? back in my day (I'm 33), we at least saw relationships and sex as intertwined and having a girlfriend was as desired as the sex from it. what happened
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:37 PM
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it's worked for me, but that's up to interpretation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:32 PM
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if you think being seen as only useful for sex vs. useful for everything but sex is equivalent, I can't help you there yeah, yeah, yeah neither are GOOD But one's a lot less bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:29 AM
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I've heard versions of that all the time when I was younger too shit, most of those friendzonings ended up as longer human relationships than my dates and hookups ever were. I'm still decent friends with like 2 or 3 friendzoners from 2009 even that shit isn't a debacle if you don't want it to be
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:25 AM
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overall, you really wouldn't rather be appreciated for the entirety of yourself other than sex? Plus, sex appeal can be worked on anyway. a fat guy that dresses well will look good, many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:24 AM
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why
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:15 AM
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that it's better to be liked for everything but sex than it is to be liked for sex and nothing else?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:14 AM
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am I wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:10 AM
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both sidesing this is just stupid though "I don't want you for sex but you're perfect otherwise" is a lot nicer to have than "I only want you for sex and you're pointless otherwise"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:09 AM
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said sex could be rape, could give you a gnarly STD, could have you raising a man's child who ditched you, could get you pregnant where you die in childbirth, could end in a ruinously expensive rest of your life TL;DR Life is shit and nobody here has special problems
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:05 AM
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vs the guy saying nothing about her as a person is worthwhile except sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:00 AM
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figure out why you're being rejected in the first place and start there stop spinning your wheels and thinking everything is wrong with you narrow it down
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:58 AM
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those are two extremely different things
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:49 AM
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let it go and see what happens if it settles into a situation where 80 percent of the population goes with traditional gender norms and 20% has women walking their boyfriends around on a leash then what's the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:47 AM
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Woman: "I'm offended that you only want me for sex" Man: "I'm offended that you "only" want me for a relationship ....how tf wouldn't you want to be the man in that scenario? you're being appreciated for so much more
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:43 AM
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I just like watching the train go off the tracks here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:38 AM
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I was broke as shit. and then I was nice. and then I got like 7 relationships/hookups and eventually married. I'm still broke as shit. y'all try too hard. make people laugh, be a bit self deprecating, share some secret bedroom activities just for each other, and wipe off the toilet seat pee
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:36 AM
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everyone should find a partner that they think is funny and good at fucking the problem for men in these situations is that they don't account for sense of humor nearly enough and then just get hung up on sex because that's the only thing there
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:30 AM
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I just like watching the train careen off the bridge, slowly and then all at once
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:26 AM
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