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In that case, it makes sense to me that a guy pursuing or dating only beautiful women is in part doing it to increase his status or perceived power amongst his peers- otherwise he'd be looking for women with attractive personalities who surpass his minimum standards for physical attractiveness. I don't see how it's a just world scenario- it doesn't take a genius to realize that partners won't want to stick around unless their needs are being met too. If they want to keep their partner, they need…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 01:21 AM
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I think I added another question after you replied- do you think that amongst themselves, men attach more power/status to a man if he has a beautiful woman? In regards to the article, I'd say none of those women are very smart if they can't figure out how relationships and love require mutual consideration and effort. They sound like people who don't understand basic interpersonal dynamics and lack self-awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 01:07 AM
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Do you think some men see beauty as power? Amongst themselves, do men attach more 'status' to another man if he has a beautiful woman? I'm using power as meaning 'the capacity or ability to direct or influence the behavior of others or the course of events.'
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 12:56 AM
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I think most people are attracted to power, especially if they feel like they don't have much themselves. Gaining power by marrying it is easier than acquiring it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 11:52 PM
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I think a lot of it depends what a woman associates with 'power'; someone who sees money as power will pursue wealth, someone who sees physical size as power will pursue men based on physique. A college girl who sees social status as power will pursue frat boys and jocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 11:44 PM
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I've long been confused about the alpha/beta thing but this makes sense. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 08:26 PM
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Yeah I absolutely see all male-female relationships as relating to power. I said it's a 'bastardized' version because it doesn't translate directly. Using your definition of beta, when a man is giving up power to a woman, he is either being exploited or acting strategically by giving up short term interest in favour of securing a long term interest. Do you see any difference in these situations? Would a man who concedes a less important/short term interest to secure a long term one, or one more …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 08:09 PM
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If I adopted a child, I would be choosing to make it mine. The condition is still being met. I am the adult, I am making a conscious decision to bring a child into my life and providing the emotional attachment and stability that entails. The child's wellbeing is now my responsibility, and there are no strings attached to that. If you don't mind, I'd like to ask a question- do you wake up every morning happy with the knowledge that you have a wonderful partner who you love, respect and admire, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 07:56 PM
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Yes, I love my children because they are mine. That is the condition, the foundation for my 'unconditional' love. My husband and I have proven to each other for 15 years that we support, prioritize, and respect each other- at this point we love each other 'unconditionally', because we have a strong foundation built on trust and admiration. The condition for our "unconditional" love was that we meet each other's high standards, which we consistently did and have done before and after choosing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 07:26 PM
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Those are the ones I see as soft power- when they're talking about 'positive' 'beta' traits they're talking about being able to assess a situation and resolve it diplomatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 07:22 PM
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He does not love me unconditionally. He loves me on the condition that I treat him with affection and consideration, do not attack his self or his dignity, and prioritize our well being as a family over my wellbeing as an individual. You can believe whatever you want, but I will trust my husband's words regarding his view of our relationship over yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 06:47 PM
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So when they say 'beta' traits are necessary for a relationship, do they mean sometimes the man needs to be submissive? The traits you listed just say "weak" to me, and weakness does not turn me on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 06:43 PM
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I think it's a bastardization of the concepts 'hard power' (physical/coercive) and 'soft power' (the ability to shape the preferences of others through appeal and attraction). A well rounded individual is able to use either or both based on what they judge will be most effective in the given situation, and switch between them as necessary. It seems like many people associate 'hard power' with 'masculine' and 'soft power' with feminine, when in reality both sexes should be developing both types.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 03:11 PM
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Yeah you're right. There are no winners in those situations, except the shitty person who's using their 'partner'
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 02:59 AM
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I think the generations that lived through WWI and WWII were a completely different breed than the people modern society produces.. the face thing just works on first impression. Talking to someone and learning about their background and thought processes is the only way to really know what's inside
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 02:11 AM
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Well put. There seems to be plenty of option B going around
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 12:58 AM
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Agreed on all points. Beautiful socially incompetent or plain old naive women get screwed and exploited, just as socially incompetent or naive men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 12:09 AM
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I think this a personal beliefs thing, not a male/female difference. My husband sees it the same way I do, which is probably why we are extremely compatible and have been happy and in love for 15 years. I know full well that if I started behaving like a selfish and disrespectful partner and our relationship no longer brought him love and happiness, he would leave- just as I would if he turned into a selfish and disrespectful partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 11:45 PM
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I see compatibility as 'we want the same things in life and are both willing to put our interest as a unit ahead of our individual interests'. If one or both people are looking out for themselves instead of the relationship it probably won't be a happy one. I don't see 'love for her being' happening unless she's proven that her 'being' makes his life happier and better than it would be if he were alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 10:46 PM
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The first guy's face says "pretty and naive", which I don't find attractive. He's nice to look at in an abstract way, but it doesn't make me want to talk to him. Of course, I might see him completely differently in person.. plus he looks younger than the second guy and I like older faces with character so there's that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 06:33 PM
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I agree with you in the context of current western social norms, but I think someone's perception of what they find 'attractive' can be greatly influenced by their upbringing and environment. My parents never let me coast on looks, and made sure I learned how to work hard and be self-sufficient, overcome fear and self doubt that would hold me back in life, and develop my physical abilities. These are the same things I looked for in a partner, and no matter how beautiful someone's face was, it co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 04:04 PM
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The difference is the first guy looks wholesome and the second guy looks like he's seen some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 03:50 PM
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Yes. I am beautiful, I dated male models, and realized looks are not what it takes to make a good partnership. I'm not saying this stuff to be altruistic, I'm saying it because it's my personal experience and thought process.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 03:45 PM
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Agreed. I did hit the genetic jackpot, and quickly realized looks are not all it takes to be a good person/live a good life. (Obviously 'good' is subjective)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 03:43 PM
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It's almost like there's a field of study that relates to the nature of knowledge and reality, but I can't quite remember what it's called
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 03:39 PM
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Personally, I don't put too much value on height or penis size or stuff the person has no control over- what I do care about is whether they have maximized their personal potential on the areas they can control, or are at least working towards it. Guys like Shane Rice, Andre Galvao, Milton Bastos, Rafael and Guilherme Mendes, and Cobrinha are all under 5'8 and do just fine with women. No one could accuse Megaton Dias of looking like a model but he does fine too... they're all mentally tough as h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 03:22 PM
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This is my experience too. The people I know who hit the genetic jackpot (and turned into well-adjusted adults) understand that someone's face is luck of the draw, and place more value on traits that can be developed through personal effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 03:08 PM
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In my experience, people who have 'modelesque' faces but don't have a lifestyle that requires careful PR management don't necessarily look for the same facial standards in others. Normal well adjusted beautiful people understand that someone's face is a genetic accident, and the important parts of a person are their internal character traits. Externally visible things like good nutrition, physical activity, good grooming/hygiene, good posture, and clothes that fit well all signal self-respect an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 03:05 PM
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Agreed. I tend to think of faces like that as "pretty", but that's not what I'm personally attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 02:56 PM
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I don't understand why someone would choose a low compatibility partner if they had the option of choosing a higher compatibility one- can you give any insight?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 12:02 PM
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see every individual woman as a whole and fully human being that is more or less aligned with her true self. Well put, I absolutely agree. I'm trying to think of a way to convey that in fewer words and coming up short- can you think of one?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 11:59 AM
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No not at all, I think almost everyone has their own way of categorizing looks and personality
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 03:33 AM
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I bow to your expertise, I can't claim to have made an extensive study of the subject
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 01:13 AM
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Yep. I've always wondered who's actually behind the big trp posters- do they actually use and believe the views they advocate? what do they look like? What are their motives? Are they just in to feel popular online? Do they choose their words to elicit a specific response in their audience? I'd be really interested in the truthful answers to this stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 10:59 PM
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A BJJ or MMA gym
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 10:25 PM
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The important thing is that you think it's worth it... your patience and tolerance clearly surpasses mine
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 10:17 PM
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People do tend to use the tools they have rather than develop new ones
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 10:15 PM
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Ya I think you're right
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 10:01 PM
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Agreed. It seems like it also confines us in our "type" and excuses us from personal responsibility and growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 09:50 PM
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My experience is very different from yours- the majority of the women I know don't behave like that. That makes me think there's a social component to that behaviour if it's so widespread
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 09:44 PM
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Yep. Sex is nature, values and self-respect should be nurture. That half is unfortunately missing in a lot of people's lives
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 09:24 PM
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So this woman has a pattern of telling men "I'm yours", then dumping them for someone new? I agree that's a major red flag and I wouldn't take her seriously either
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 09:02 PM
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So sex trumps self-respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 08:58 PM
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I must be missing something, but I see the woman taking that as a pretty harsh rejection if it's said in response to a figure of speech intended to convey affection and trust
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 08:40 PM
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Why even put in the effort of dealing with it? That sounds like an exhausting way to live
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 07:58 PM
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I agree on that, just not on letting the hot mess splatter itself all over my life. They can deal with their own mess- I'll hold out for someone who can keep a lid on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 07:52 PM
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The key to this seems to be choosing a good partner in the first place... many people seem to miss that bit
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 06:45 PM
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Yep. I gotta say though- I found my mbti description flattering so that particular one is alright
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 06:39 PM
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I can't relate to this either. I'd speculate that it has to do with being self-aware and taking personal responsibility for oneself. Maybe people who feel like they're entirely at the mercy of the universe and have no control over their fate are frightened and overly reactive to potential obstacles
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 06:32 PM
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I translate that as 'even if our relationship ends, I'll still be thankful you were part of my life and will not regret the time we spent together.' I don't know how realistic that is, but it's how I hope I'd handle a break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 06:15 PM
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I don't see how a relationship can be successful if the people in said relationship don't have the same ultimate goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 06:11 PM
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Why do you tolerate that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 06:10 PM
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Unfortunately, as you pointed out in your original comment, every time a man 'says it's only my turn', he's implying that he wouldn't act the same way if he had the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 06:08 PM
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Hmm I think I worded it badly. I meant that in terms of a man's own subjective opinion of what a good woman/partner is. If a man stayed with someone he considered worse instead of starting a relationship with someone he considered better, I'd like to hear his perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 05:50 PM
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Ooh I never thought of it from that angle.. makes sense though. I'd like to hear from a man who stayed with lower quality (character+looks) woman when he could have gone with a higher quality (character+looks) woman without external factors impeding him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 05:31 PM
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Hahaha I'm glad they make sense :)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 05:24 PM
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Ah sorry, I misinterpreted your comment
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:43 PM
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Agreed. I think self-awareness and honesty just aren't generally valued or encouraged in North American society. The people who do well and make good partners usually have those traits, but that's because they were raised that way by their family or if not were mentally tough enough to figure it out for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:43 PM
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Ohhhhh yes! My husband had the same culture shock- I'm pretty sure meeting my mother gave him an ulcer
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:39 PM
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Hahahahaha he definitely sounds eastern European, I know the type well
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:21 PM
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Most of the time they don't themselves understand the conditions attached to first part of the statement. They just have vague impressions but couldn't explain what the requirements are... this comes down to lacking self-awareness and not being honest with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:19 PM
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The other way to raise my value and attain more power is to develop myself physically and mentally, and hold my partner to the same standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:14 PM
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Yep. That or she's seriously unstable
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:12 PM
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Sounds good, I'm all for it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:05 PM
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Exactly. I'd say that people who are used to staying calm in high stress situations, persevering in the face of adversity, and feel comfortable being uncomfortable are more likely to be seen as 'stoic'- but none of those are traits I associate with trp's picture of an 'alpha'
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:04 PM
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Sorry for asking all these personal questions- I find it really interesting to talk to people from similar backgrounds. I'll cease and desist any time Are you happy with her character and values? Do you think you chose the right partner for yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:59 PM
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The implication is "don't bother having high standards, because they won't be met anyways"... which conveniently prevents someone from finding high quality partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:53 PM
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It seems like one of those things that could be a really good time or a really bad time depending on the co-star/script/how the shoot goes. The bad times seem pretty awful though hahaha, I'm glad I never took the porn star route
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:51 PM
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Why do you disagree with the second quote?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:49 PM
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You do realize it's not normal for someone to go from 'we're on great terms' to 'I want to break up' in 3 hours without a major event in between, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:47 PM
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"I'm yours, as long as being yours is in my best interest"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:43 PM
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Isn't that just having standards for behaviour in a partner, and living up to those standards myself?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:42 PM
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Forming same sex friendships as a heterosexual adult isn't clouded by arousal and hormones. A guy who puts up with behaviour from women for the sake of sex that he wouldn't put up with from a friend shouldn't be surprised he ends up with low quality women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:39 PM
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Did your family keep any of the traditions or did you go full American?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:32 PM
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Fair enough. I'm just going by what the articles say, it doesn't sound particularly arousing https://www.google.ca/amp/s/thoughtcatalog.com/eric-redding/2015/07/porn-stories-they-dont-want-to-know/amp/
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:19 PM
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You're from Belarus right? Do you ever go back?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 02:21 PM
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Yep it's a bad time when office workers eat the same thing their labourer parents and grandparents did... although there's still enough social bias against obesity to keep many people in check
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 02:19 PM
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Do guys ever get hard without being actually aroused? That's what I'm imagining in some porn shoots haha
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 02:14 PM
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You know, I'm not a huge gulyás fan either... much prefer paprikás and cabbage rolls/stuffed pepper/bacon and drippings on bread. Can't eat like that too much though, I don't do heavy manual labour all day
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 02:11 PM
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Ragging on them is one of the national pastimes, but I still ended up marrying one. That generated good natured ribbing on both sides for years
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 01:58 PM
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Hungary. We got the full socialism ->Glorious West transition
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 01:51 PM
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It's the old world pragmatism in us
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 01:48 PM
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Agreed. I'd also speculate that after enough experience cumming is just another part of the job and just doesn't happen sometimes.. or if the woman has bad hygiene or something and the guy is turned off. Ick
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 01:44 PM
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No personal experience but this is from an article about porn production "We actually use fake semen fairly often, if the guy just can’t get off for one reason or another, or just to make it look like he’s incredibly virile when in fact he’s just an average guy" "Use a careful camera angle to make it appear the guy’s cumming when in fact there’s an, eh… assistant… sigh… squeezing an off-camera IV bag with the tube hidden along the guy’s leg and penis. An easy way to tell the difference is when t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 01:29 PM
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Everything is about power if we accept the premise that all rational actors work to secure or pursue their self-interest using their ability to control and influence (power). Interpersonally, every single interaction is either balanced or imbalanced in terms of power. Relating to sex, if I have power in a form that my desired partner recognizes, I am more attractive to them and am better able to pursue my interest. I either have something they want so they pursue me, or can pursue them to convin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 01:04 PM
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I used "I can imagine..." as a way to present an anecdote that I can't prove over the Internet. It leaves room for someone to politely disagree with me and for the conversation to continue without devolving into an argument that's unwinnable by either side. Regardless of how many there are in the world, severely socially incompetent people are targets for others to exploit. If the incompetent women are getting laid, it's because they're specifically chosen for the ease with which they can be use…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 12:37 PM
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Very nice, taking over the New World is a great strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 12:13 PM
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Haha as long as you know what you're getting into it's all good
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 12:11 PM
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Fair enough, but I can't really separate those too much. In my experience values are at least somewhat tied to SES/background. This could differ regionally, I don't know
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 12:09 PM
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Oh I think I misinterpreted something- I never meant I wouldn't date someone based on those factors. I just meant that family values and financial status impact us all, for good or bad. Like, parents who value a strong work ethic will try to instill the same in their kids- or parents who think travel is important will give their kids a chance to do that when possible. These things all impact how the kid experiences the world. Some people do well because of their background, some people do well d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:20 AM
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Don't you think family values and opportunities secured by parents can have a positive or negative effect on their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:50 AM
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I'm not comparing them. What America does on its own continent has no bearing on the international legal community's assessment of the Arab-Israeli conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:43 AM
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He needs to be more powerful and influential than she is. That's the baseline requirement. After that, her personal power and wiles determine how high quality the man she can land is
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:38 AM
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It's almost like decisions have implications and consequences. Who knew
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:35 AM
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That's beautifully explained, I hope everyone reads it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:30 AM
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It's almost like the intention was to destabilize an economically and strategically significant region.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:28 AM
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The issue is with illegal occupation, annexation, and the wall. For what it's worth, the United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention all consider Israeli settlements in occupied territory to be in violation of international law, specifically the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:25 AM
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For what it's worth, the United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention all consider Israeli settlements in occupied territory to be in violation of international law, specifically the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:19 AM
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Hahaha I think I'm just old and cranky
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:00 AM
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It needs to be someone the average person can easily recognize, but who is easily influenced and can be convinced to believe anything- how about a popular scientologist? Tom Cruise? We could put a couch in his office... that might be too subtle though. Maybe a vainglorious conspiracy theorist? I have Joe Rogan's number here somewhere...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 12:55 AM
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there's just something so alluring about being involved with a being that could hurt you, and possibly hurts others, but decides not to do so to you, out of a liking of you. Yep. You encapsulated it perfectly. I'm the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 12:25 AM
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I prefer older to younger... Life experience and obstacles conquered do more for me than innocent beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 12:22 AM
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Oh, oh, I got this- our focus group data shows most of our target demographic thinks ethics, dignity, and integrity are strains of marijuana so we don't need to promote those in a potential candidate. Prompts about 'critical thinking' resulted in lists of things participants were critical of, with "liberal education bullshit, like history and philosophy" topping the list. My findings suggest that any mainstream figure with a loyal fan base and a large ego will have general public support while a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 12:16 AM
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In my experience the perspective of that poster is typical of normal well-adjusted people. That's exactly the attitude I looked for when dating- a guy who respects himself too much to be a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 11:25 PM
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I completely understand. Making subtly inflammatory poltical comments on reddit is one of the ways I entertain myself and it will surely go horribly wrong one day Edit: I enjoyed our political scheming
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 10:52 PM
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Yep. I work in a related field... It's the nature of the political beast
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 10:03 PM
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Determining a 'truth' generally requires a rigorous epistemological approach or the scientific method.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 09:52 PM
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I'm happily married to an athlete-turned-tradesman so no need to be looking for other options... I'd love to have lunch with Putin and chat about politics though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 09:47 PM
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If you're happy with your results there's no need to change your method
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 09:44 PM
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Nope. Sometimes other women would comment/find it weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 09:38 PM
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I guess that can be awkward, but I was thinking of even more socially incompetent. I know plenty of rude insensitive jackasses who are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 09:30 PM
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The products of their research are useful in the long run, when they've been replicated, explored, and thoroughly mapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 09:23 PM
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Hormones.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 09:21 PM
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How interesting - it's almost like you're describing something that's at the forefront of current events. I can't quite put my finger on it though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 09:14 PM
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I'm attracted to men who ooze power and are physically imposing.. it may not be very politically correct but I don't mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 09:09 PM
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That makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 08:31 PM
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I don't think I'm ready for politics quite yet- I need to develop to ability to read social currents and use strategic divisive wedges to fracture the community so I can use emotionally appealing rhetoric to consolidate a power base by pointing them at the evil Others who want to destroy their way of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 06:51 PM
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So something like your neural development resembles typical male development, but everything else is biologically female? Do you see the male/female divide as being more dichotomous or amorphous?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 06:49 PM
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Thanks that helps. I generally see 'masculine' and 'feminine' as descriptors for external demeanor and presentation so this whole 'the brain is either/or' that some people on here believe is something I have trouble with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 06:43 PM
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Yeah agreed. In non-online dating, competent people generally don't partner with incompetent ones unless they're looking to exploit them. I think this still holds mostly true with online dating, but the incompetent people may have a slightly higher chance of meeting and being accepted by someone non-exploitative than in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 06:39 PM
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You're absolutely right, I can't believe I didn't see it earlier. Entrenching artificially created dichotomies and yelling at people who disagree seems to the social strategy du jour, so it must be effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 06:34 PM
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It's a beautiful system Edit: I'd say all sex is about power, but power is about furthering individual self interest, of which sex may be a part.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 06:27 PM
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Well, because people who have in depth understandings of subjects like endocrinology or neurology usually have a very nuanced view of their area of expertise, and answer most questions with "it depends....". They probably wouldn't engage in debates with laypeople because they understand it's futile.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:59 PM
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Excellent question
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:54 PM
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People are either internally weak or internally strong. The 'masculine' or 'feminine' thing is external demeanor or presentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:53 PM
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Make sense, add it to the dictionary
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:50 PM
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Absolutely. My personal rule to never be surprised when someone fails to meet a low bar though...I save a lot of energy that way. Like, I used to be shocked and awed that people would call 911 when their power went out, but I'm not any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:46 PM
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Theorizing about biological differences without understanding the biology seems a bit absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:44 PM
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I don't even understand what 'male brained' really means. Is it determined by hormone profiles or prenatal testosterone or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:33 PM
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I'm sure there are women who don't meet that level of social competence/awareness though. They may not realize or accept they actually have to act. All of this sex/relationship shit comes down to power.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:29 PM
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I can imagine socially incompetent women being avoided by non-predatory people. If they don't meet anyone with predatory inclinations, they don't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:18 PM
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Yeah, the guys who end up with stable careers in porn would likely do just fine getting laid if they did something else. It's be fuckable->be in porn, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:10 PM
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The porn industry in America is probably safer than the one in either of those cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:07 PM
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Personally I think someone who can learn from their mistakes is pretty smart. Even better if they can learn from other people's mistakes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 04:04 PM
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You're a smart one then. That's the only way to end up content with your life and partner. I was one of those girls that could have coasted on looks but fortunately my parents knew how that would end, and made sure to force me to develop other faculties... I'm eternally grateful to them for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 03:52 PM
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Si
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 02:33 PM
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Sure but I'm under the impression that a lot of times the guy doesn't even cum. At that point isn't the sex just a clinical byproduct of being a paid performer?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 02:22 PM
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I think in general men and women who have more of whatever societal paradigms deem to be "valuable" are seen as more competent/valuable by the opposite sex (for having/ accumulating what is desired) and also consider themselves more valuable in comparison to their peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 02:19 PM
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I've heard a lot of it is a short bursts of sex, try to stay hard while the cameras rearrange, sex again, stop and take direction, get hard again, and then cumshot that isn't really cum...sounds more like business than pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 02:14 PM
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Sorry this turned into a novel. It's not something ive seen discussed much here so I'll post anyways. It can be absolutely crippling for someone 'beautiful' to be left by a partner. Imagine you grow up your whole life being told you're gorgeous/handsome, everyone is fawning and solicitous, everyone at school wants to be friends with you, your parents are proud they have such a beautiful son/daughter, people approach you constantly for dates/to be seen with you- and you're never taught that looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 02:09 PM
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Do they think it's great because of the sex specifically, or because of the casual atmosphere/rapport/lack of inhibitions/other non-sexual factors?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 01:28 PM
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You're 100% right. I think 'beautiful' people are viewed through a really distorted lens by people who only have superficial contact with them- it's a charmed life on the outside but not necessarily on the inside. It can pretty mentally and emotionally stunting to grow up coasting on looks/status without being pushed to develop intellect/values/work ethic- some of these men/women are completely unequipped for real life stresses and hurdles, and they derive their personal sense of worth from thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 01:18 PM
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Yeah. Lasting love is 'you have given me sufficient reason to prioritize our long term mutual best interest over my short term individual best interest'. It takes two pretty stable and self-aware people to make it work in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 01:07 PM
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Aw I was hoping he just dropped ppd and started doing life stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 01:01 PM
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I think some people conflate 'competent' and 'masculine'. Someone who has the internal traits needed to secure the kind of life they want doesn't care about whether they're 'manly' enough- they're too busy enjoying themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 12:58 PM
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That is a fantastic comment and exactly what the problem is. Kids aren't encouraged to develop the self-efficacy and confidence it takes to be a well-adjusted adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 12:54 PM
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I think this very much depends on someone's immediate environment. I've met tons of 'masculine' men in the US, as well as in Canada.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 12:51 PM
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I don't think girls have a problem with height, provided the rest of the package makes up for it. Off the top of my head, Shane Rice, Cobrinha, Andre Galvao, Rafael and Guillerme Mendes, Caio Terra, Milton Bastos, Marcelo Garcia, DJ Jackson, Felipe Costa, and Jeff Glover are between 5'3-5'8. I've seen some of their girlfriends/wives, they did pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 12:36 PM
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It's entirely possible for different people to have different approaches and experiences. I dated dozens of guys and this is how it went for us. Generally we realized we were incompatibile for whatever reason, then amicably went our separate ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 12:25 PM
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I know men with model-tier faces/physiques dating women I'd generously describe as "average" in terms of facial structure. The women are charming, stylish, fit, clever, good at what they do, and really enjoyable to be around. For many people who are surrounded by beautiful faces, the beauty fades into the background. Compatible lifestyles and values are more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 03:46 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 03:42 AM
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I understood the context of this post as referring to committed relationships, not casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 03:41 AM
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Well I think the best relationships happen when both people think they earned a prize. I wouldn't want a guy who didn't have high standards and didn't meet those standards himself- the guys I dated had the same perspective. We had to prove ourselves to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 03:37 AM
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Well, because if attractive people tell you that facial features aren't high on their list of priorities in a partner, it's something to take into consideration when determining why people don't show interest in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 02:03 AM
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Ok, but you're kinda shooting yourself in the foot by ignoring the perspective of people who are attractive and had their choice of partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 01:37 AM
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I agree with the body being attractive. Physical fitness signals health, dedication, and self-respect. In regards to face, it is not nearly as important as you think it is. If someone has a chin and is not otherwise deformed, and keeps up with grooming and hygiene, lack of attraction comes down to others not finding them interesting. Relationships are built on respect, not someone's face. In my experience, when someone argues against that they're usually trying to avoid facing some harsh truth, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 11:53 PM
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Agreed. I think most of the people arguing that looks are everything are NAF types. They latch on to the 'looks are everything' argument as an excuse to avoid personal responsibility for potential failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 10:53 PM
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Do you think being "attractive" relies only on one's facial features, or are things like demeanor, fitness, healthy skin/hair, and clothing/grooming also factors?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 10:42 PM
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It's been happening for a long time and I don't see it stopping any time soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 09:48 PM
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I cannot for the life of me imagine why a man would commit to or marry a woman he doesn't actually like or respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 09:09 PM
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How do you think it works?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 07:38 PM
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I'm attempting to point out that if one genetically surpasses the bar for "actually ugly", whether they are "attractive" enough to get a high quality partner is determined by their inner qualities. For example, someone with self-respect cares about their grooming and physical health. That results in an attractive exterior even if their face is average or below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 07:25 PM
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People who are born with the genetics to be externally 'beautiful' and also have a well developed intellect realize that the external beauty is a happy accident, and the real value of a person lies in what they make of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 07:07 PM
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Unfortunately 'smart' doesn't always translate to 'socially adept', as indicated by the number of people with advanced degrees who have trouble with basic interpersonal interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 06:46 PM
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Someone has to be more on the 'downright ugly' side to be irredeemable by their inner qualities. People who are both beautiful and smart put far more weight on internal qualities and how a person presents themselves than on facial genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 06:42 PM
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Yeah they have influence too... probably not as far reaching, and more social than political. Many powerful people are unknown to the general public though- the NRA had/has female directors, there are many women in working international relations and policy, as well working in companies like Unilever. Rebekah Mercer is another example of an 'elite' woman- she has degrees from Stanford, worked on Wall Street, manages a prestigious foundation, and wields political influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 06:36 PM
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Marry+fuck the selfish and selfless bad boy who is not a musician. Blue by default I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:53 PM
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Yeah good catch. "Unconditional love" should be reframed as "we have proven that we prioritize and pursue our mutual best interest"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:30 PM
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Absolutely. My understanding is that there have been and are women who are quite influential at those levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:19 PM
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I could be totally wrong but it seems like she's looking for reasons to be offended. I can't see what practical difference it makes to distinguish between 'born with' and 'became' traits- all I care about is that he likes and respects the whole package and wants the same future I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:18 PM
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My personal experience makes that hard to take at face value. Which particular biological or hormonal component prevents women from wanting power?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:14 PM
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If I love and respect someone enough to have committed to them, it is my responsibility to support them according to their needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:12 PM
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Hope Hicks and Melania Trump have power until they displease the person who grants them power. Betsy DeVos has power because she and her family have cultivated it for generations, and she uses her influence to strategically further her own interests. I'd say her power and influence are much more permanent and pervasive than that of the other two.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:10 PM
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Exactly. My family also gave me many opportunities, but it wasn't because of my gender- it was because of who we are and who we know. There's no 'conspiracy to keep women down'; it's a 'we won't extend a ladder to those below us when we can select from out own ranks'. As time passes, there will be more and more women in the halls of power- but they'll mostly be the daughters and granddaughters and nieces and neighbor's daughters and university friends of their best friends daughter and women who…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:04 PM
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Similar to how middle-class non-rappers will "complain" about how their wives are so expensive or whatever, but you can tell it's really a kind of humblebrag. I think this can sometimes be a sort of 'happy-male inside joke' that some guys can't interpret, so they take them as serious complaints about women and marriage. Obviously there are many awful wives and girlfriends out there, but someone misinterpreting the affectionate subtext of the superficially disparaging comments would think the mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 04:58 PM
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I've never dated a woman, and I haven't experienced the male dynamic she's talking about so I can't really identify with it. From my perspective, every dating scenario boils down to 'this person can provide me with something I want'. Short sighted or selfish people take what they want without ensuring the other person's needs are met; perceptive people recognize that in order for the relationship to stay stable in the long run, they also need to be meeting the other person's needs. In terms of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 04:53 PM
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Yeah agreed, and I do think the military is in a different category. I also think most men and women alike could do with some mandatory service, if only to the PT and disciplinary benefits. My personal experience is in politics, business, and sport- barring personal prejudices, 'elite' isn't usually determined by male or female. For the most part, if someone is qualified, capable, effective, and has the connections required to get noticed in the first place, they get respect and acquire influenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 04:29 PM
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Because sex is a collaborative act in which both parties are responsible for playing their roles This doesn't make much sense to me in the grand scheme of things. Unless I'm being coerced, I am 100% responsible for my wellbeing. Blindly expecting a stranger to uphold their role opens me up to a major risk- if I'm unsure of the person or situation, my self-preservation tells me to get the hell out of there. Why put my wellbeing in the hands of an unknown entity in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 04:02 PM
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I think you're on to something here
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:51 PM
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Everyone gets an armed escort who identifies as neither male nor female
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:44 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:34 PM
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Yes you're right. I'm thinking in terms of how it would be exercised.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:26 PM
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They fuck normal women too, those just don't make good stories. I think picking up strangers in a bar always carries a risk
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:25 PM
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Or just leave without exchanging any information. I've heard quite a few stories from men about the lengths they go to to get away from crazy without repercussions... it was the stuff of spy novels, like driving her home using a completely random and roundabout route so she wouldn't be able to backtrack to his house.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:18 PM
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Right, but the title leaves it unclear. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:13 PM
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Wouldn't letting people sink or swim on their own internal and external strength be more effective? In my experience it's times of struggle that generate competence and personal responsibility, not excessive restrictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:11 PM
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Are you looking for input only from women who've been raped, or from all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:08 PM
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I would be very interested in seeing a well regulated militia take on the US government.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 02:55 PM
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At this point it seems like an ingrained feature of western society...I don't see personal responsibility making a widespread comeback without a major socio-political paradigm shift
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 02:45 PM
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Well said. Do you think a shift in western society's value systems and approach to personal responsibility would help?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 02:40 PM
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Maybe it's by design
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 02:30 PM
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I agree that those spheres are male dominated, but disagree that all men have power and are keeping women down. My personal experience in male dominated areas has been that men in positions of power tend value to people based on respect/competence/future potential, not based on sex. Edit: it's more like 'the powerful exploit the weak', with both categories having both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 01:07 PM
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My inner armchair psychologist says people who are generally helpless and incompetent are more likely to 'freeze'. This goes back to having a 'weak' society- everyone wants others to solve their problems so many people don't strap in and face uncomfortable situations head on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 12:46 PM
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Seems like the common people would have to find common ground first.. that doesn't seem to be American society's strongsuit
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 12:38 PM
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That makes sense. Is this male/female thing as bad where you are as it seems to be in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 12:33 PM
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Are you saying all men have power or all power is in the hands of a few men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 12:29 PM
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Triangle choke
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 04:19 AM
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Yes exactly. If there's an accusation, either something bad happened or she's a shitty manipulative person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 04:15 AM
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Hear, hear
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 04:07 AM
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Wow I would not have guessed that... clearly I don't have any relevant advice or experience to contribute, just well wishes and that I agree with the perspectives I've seen you post on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:59 AM
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What is your kind? Are you referring to men in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:50 AM
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I personally think anyone who is disgusted by their partner being vulnerable is a shitty person. Something can be normal and shitty at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:49 AM
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My feelings say you're not giving yourself enough credit, but my brain says sympathy from an Internet stranger is pretty worthless. I'll wish you luck anyways though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 03:35 AM
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Do you think Melania Trump has more political influence in comparison to someone like Betsey DeVos? They look quite different and neither was elected to the position they have; which of them do you think is elite in terms of power and influence?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 01:58 AM
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In many areas those requirements are the bare minimum, and are certainly not asking too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 11:27 PM
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Right. High caliber people stick together.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:51 PM
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Yep. If the norm is to ostracize 'masculine' men, girls who want to rebel will head straight for those guys.... the meaner the better
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:31 PM
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Yeah that's exactly what it is a lot of the time... there might be an environmental factor too, I'm not sure. Maybe there are pockets of society where everyone is really shitty and there just aren't any decent people
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:29 PM
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Sorry, where did I say I "cant believe anyone could make such ridiculous claims"? I said I don't understand the point, but I can see now that I went wrong by assuming that they want to drive meaningful change; if their intent is to vent their anger without regard for potential repercussions then it makes perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:21 PM
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Do you think a high caliber man would have more respect for a high caliber woman or a low caliber man?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:15 PM
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Yeah sure but we're completely different people with completely different upbringings and value systems. I fully support you doing that- it's just not what I'd want for myself. That doesn't make it wrong for someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:13 PM
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So you're saying Melania Trump is the puppet master/power behind the throne?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:08 PM
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Yes. No gender/sex/whatever has a monopoly on shitty or counterproductive behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 09:06 PM
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Of course they don't, why would they? They each have their own agenda and anything else is irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 08:46 PM
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Could you give some examples of these women? I can't think of any off the top of my head
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 08:45 PM
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Because it's coasting on a happy genetic accident and basically accepting handouts for doing nothing. It just doesn't sit right with me personally; I get that others may see it differently but to me it's an indication of lack of character and lack of drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 08:44 PM
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It's not hard work, and I do know that girls play games, but its antithetical to my values. More power to the women who want to do it, but I personally have zero desire to use my looks to solicit money from strangers- it would feel like I'm degrading myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 08:00 PM
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Just asking because I'm curious, I understand if you don't want to answer- where are you from? For some reason I get the impression you're not American
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 07:43 PM
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Yes. Many people on all sides are caught up in the superiority of their chosen ideology. In the long run that deepens the existing animosity and division between the groups as well as alienates them from the rest of society, resulting in isolated echo chambers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 07:37 PM
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You probably already know this, but I want to point out that there are many many women who would not find this lifestyle even a little bit appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 07:21 PM
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I think it's unproductive at best and harmful at worst, regardless of who is doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 07:16 PM
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So much for the "men=rational" thing... feels over reals indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 07:11 PM
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We're using different definitions then. I was referring to people who wield political/social/economic power and influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 07:08 PM
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I was more thinking about the foundations of any 'supremacy' movement being similar to one another. The basis is "we are superior, they are inferior"- what 'we' and 'they' encompasses may be different, but the divisive Us vs Them stays the same, and the outcomes are quite predictable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 06:46 PM
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I'm sure that's true in some families, but in my experience parents who value self-sufficiency and work ethic will instill the same in their kids. If rich kids are turning out complacent and ignorant, that's on their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 06:31 PM
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I don't understand the point of the obvious exaggeration and hyperbole. If their point can't be clearly illustrated without embellishment, they should probably rethink their point; furthermore, their target audience likely has difficulty with nuance and separating fiction from reality, and this kind of writing may do more harm than good for those trying to figure out how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 06:23 PM
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I world argue that 'elite' women have more in common with 'elite' men than with lower tier men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 06:09 PM
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No kidding
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 06:06 PM
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I don't subscribe to the 'love conquers all' thing- some lifestyle preferences/values are fundamentally incompatibile and trying to make them work will only lead to pain and suffering down the road. If I truly love someone, that means I want the best for them- and if I'm not able to provide that, they should find someone more compatible so they can be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 04:48 PM
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That's why I put 'excessive', which is obviously up for individual interpretation. A few drinks here and there is fine for my lifestyle, a 6 pack every night is not
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 04:44 PM
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Dealbreakers: Lack of self-awareness Lack of self-respect Not a critical thinker Religious Excessive drug use or drinking Isn't curious about the world around him Is a bad sparring partner Isn't willing to communicate clearly and rationally Discounts my expertise due to gender Values/worldview don't match
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 04:25 PM
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Some people can appreciate a good partner from the get go, others need to learn what a good partner is/how to appreciate them. Depends on personality and upbringing I think
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 04:17 PM
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Is there much value in distinguishing 'white supremacy' from any other flavour?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 04:13 PM
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Which just suggests to me the people who buy into this were neglected as children and are using their gender as a scapegoat to deal with the resulting trauma. It's easy to make jokes about mummy/daddy issues but this is just depressing :( That's my takeaway too. Thousands of kids are growing up without the guidance and support of the adults around them- this isn't a biological issue, it's a socio-economic issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:49 PM
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Or drugs. I feel old and cranky when I say this, but if someone can't enjoy being themselves without chemical assistance, they should probably do some soul searching.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:43 PM
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Yeah agreed. I think they'd get a lot further if they looked at the world as 'shitty people vs not shitty people' instead of 'men vs women'. I keep coming back to personal values- if someone has self-respect and self-awareness, they are better equipped to navigate social situations and discern which other people are worth investing in. Unfortunately those qualities are missing from a lot of people who get stuck in "orbiting" holding patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:41 PM
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That sounds supremely boring to me, but I'm sure plenty of people enjoy it...more power to them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:35 PM
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Ah that makes sense, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:33 PM
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I think it just shows how disconnected people are from the world around them. They don't have a wide variety of people/places/experiences to draw from, so they use anecdotes and existing biases to fill in the gaps in their understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:32 PM
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Lol, yep
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:29 PM
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Yep. And a family that values and can afford education/travel/opportunities gives those privileges to all of their children, not just the girls... I don't get why he made it into a male/female thing when it's more of a class/values thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:27 PM
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Agreed. My life was similar to the post, minus the fucking bits. In terms of family/support/education/attention/opportunity, I had everything my parents could secure for me- but so did all the boys. This isn't really a male/female thing, it's a family values and opportunities thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:24 PM
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Nothing. Some people just may not want to date or marry one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:19 PM
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What is this 'normie' thing? Is it the same as saying someone is 'basic'?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:14 PM
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I've met lots of women like that, but I also know plenty who aren't. Have you met any who are normal, capable, well adjusted adults with good communication skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:12 PM
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That's true. This sub plays fast and loose with reality sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:10 PM
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Right. The obvious solution to me is for people to sleep with partners they know and trust enough to be sure there won't be a false rape accusation down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:55 PM
2

I don't know if 'submissive' works in this context. Self-preservation isn't really submissive; neither is risk-taking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:45 PM
1

I agree. We can use different communication styles as long as we understand each other's style as well, and don't use our own filter to derive their meaning. If I'm talking to someone who speaks the same languages I do, it doesn't matter if I'm speaking in English and they're using the other one- we understand each other perfectly fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:42 PM
1

Good point
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 12:48 PM
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Ah sorry I didn't phrase that well- I wasn't trying to compare capitalism and patriarchy. If patriarchy=men at the top exploiting everyone under them, what would we call a socio-political system where the top tier consists of both powerful men and women, while the tiers below are exploited by those above them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 04:49 AM
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What is the difference between a patriarchal system and one where the weak are exploited by the powerful, regardless of gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 04:04 AM
1

It sounds like a really shitty situation. It's not something I have to deal with personally, but my country has its own unique problems. Anyways I'm sorry you have to deal with it... If you don't mind a few more questions, what do you think is the best way to get them to take responsibility, and how do you see this whole thing playing out politically and socially?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:59 AM
1

That's what it seems like
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:27 AM
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Yeah that's how I see it too. The "value" bit threw me off- I can't imagine assigning more "value" to someone based on their sex instead of other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:20 AM
2

That makes sense, I see it similarly but not exactly the same. Personally I think human nature dictates that we pursue our perceived self-interest, whatever that may be, and to do this we accumulate power. Most people's perceived self-interest includes some kind of sexual or romantic component but that doesn't seem to be universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:16 AM
2

I'm trying to visualize this- if you had a son and a daughter, would they not have the same value?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:05 AM
1

That's pretty fun too
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:33 AM
1

You're probably right. I think those people are really naive though.. or they just want to use him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:32 AM
1

Thanks. This isn't a topic I'm very knowledgeable about- what is the current standard that they want enforced?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:26 AM
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Men don't compete for status, influence, money, and ultimately power because of some completely undefined thing called "patriarchy". We do it because the female sex desires to mate with powerful influential men, and men desire to mate with women. Do you think this is true of all men? Are there other reasons to pursue power?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:13 AM
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How are you defining "equal"? It seems strange to say we're not equal but we are equally important.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 12:51 AM
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I agree with your post, but I'd replace "patriarchy" with "US political structure". It seems like much of the current social discourse is a red herring to distract from the actions and interests pursued by consolidated blocs of political and economic power.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 12:23 AM
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I agree with many of the arguments I've seen men make on here. I agree that many men get treated like shit and taken advantage of. I agree that there are incredibly shitty women who have no sense of consideration or respect for others, and destroy the mental and emotional wellbeing of their partners. What happens next? Do I analyze the existing situation and come up with a strategy to drive the change I want to see, or do I yell rude things at them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 11:06 PM
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I was curious about your opinion regarding the motivations behind the inflammatory rhetoric on both sides. Never meant to offend you, my apologies. Have a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:52 PM
1

Nope. Just someone versed in conflict resolution who doesn't see much resolution happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:47 PM
1

Not quite. I'm someone with no investment in either side who is pointing out that the current strategies will not result in a positive outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:44 PM
1

So they're driven by emotion rather than a desire for a solution. I think that's about where we started this discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:29 PM
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I don't think I did, considering this behaviour is something I read about on the Internet and not something I encounter often in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:25 PM
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Ah ok, I was just wondering if it's something you enjoy discussing/think it's important to discuss. I completely agree, the current state if society has largely been informed by political structures and machinations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:17 PM
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Right. I agree. What I don't understand is the motivation behind meeting asshole behaviour with asshole behaviour, since it only serves to result in a cycle of asshole behaviour and absolutely no positive change for anyone. This tells me there is no actual desire for change and both sides who are rude to each other are in it for personal emotional catharsis and not any actual desire to be move forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:14 PM
2

Is that an indication of enthusiasm for the subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:09 PM
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I don't think that's the message the poster intended to convey.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:07 PM
1

Do you think the structure of the US political system has a role in shaping domestic social and political discourse?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 10:03 PM
1

Fair enough. Your original comment said Men do take responsibility, we just wish society would make women do the same. Instead we enable lack of agency in women at our greater peril. I read this as you wanting the status quo to change. Do you thing "shaming language" is an effective way to accomplish such change?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 09:54 PM
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The solution to this seems to be to hold myself and others to a higher standard, and only pursue close relationships with those who meet my standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 09:46 PM
1

In the context of male vs female rhetoric, do you think the language is intended to describe or pacify?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 09:44 PM
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I agree that many are driven by those feelings and experiences, but I'd be surprised if there were not other prominent voices being driven by more malicious agendas.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 09:08 PM
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Many relationship problems on reddit and in real life seem to stem from diverging goals and a 'me vs you' mentality. The successful relationships around me are more like 'we are a team and both act to maximize mutual benefit'. This only possible if both people want the same "goal" and are aware and considerate of each other. From what I've read, that doesn't describe the relationships in married rp or trp. Edit: their relationships "last" in terms of time passed, but there doesn't seem to be muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 09:05 PM
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His jaw is not made of granite and he has bad posture.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 08:46 PM
1

Yikes. I didn't know hurricanes could do that. Are they a regular occurrence in your area?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 08:43 PM
1

I strongly disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 08:33 PM
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Agreed. And if the foundation of the relationship is strong and both people share the same "vision", the rest doesn't even feel like compromise. It's just "what's the best way to stay on track with our goal?"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 08:30 PM
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I'm glad you're OK too, hope everything goes back to normal quickly and there isn't too much damage!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 08:26 PM
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I agree with all of that, but I don't know how to separate that from words caused by feelings vs words calculated for effect. If I tell someone that they're a nasty slut, it's either from a place of emotion (I want her to know I think she's a slut, and damn the consequences) or with an awareness of the effect of my words (I want her to feel inferior, or instigate a fight). If I tell a man he's a privileged oppressive asshole, I'm either spewing unproductive and irrational hatred (emotional) or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 08:22 PM
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I've never thought of it that way. What do you think motivates someone to use "shaming language"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 08:02 PM
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In my experience, words are chosen either based on the mindless emotion of the speaker, or to elicit a desired response in the listener. Do you think there's another category?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 07:49 PM
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Most feminists don't want resolution I don't know enough about the subject to say what proportion of 'feminists' this applies to, but there does seem to be an element that goes out of their way to generate and spread hate against men. Why shouldn't men fight fire with fire? If you're going to get burned anyway... I'm just trying to figure out what these men want- do you think the goal is the creation of a new paradigm where everyone is held to higher standards with the goal of benefiting everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 07:43 PM
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I'm trying to figure out the end goal of the individuals/groups who are at odds with the opposite sex and target each other with shaming/extreme language.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 07:34 PM
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Do you think the goal is resolution/conciliation or continued animosity between the sexes?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 07:27 PM
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I think this depends very much on perspective. If someone's worldview is developed with a focus on the differences between male/female, they will have a very different approach to life and the opposite sex from someone who thinks we all need to develop ourselves into adults who behave 'morally' and with dignity towards ourselves and others. The latter perspective focuses on shared humanity, which makes it easier to accept and navigate the differences arising from brain and hormonal differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 06:15 PM
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Exactly. The context of the friendship and the dynamic between them/between the 3 of us determine whether it's a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 06:07 PM
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Funnily enough, none of the "good" women I know have trouble finding "good" men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 06:04 PM
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Great comment. Stable people who have the awareness to be good partners look for the same qualities in the opposite sex. Men who make good husbands have high standards, and said standards usually include competence, independence, and self awareness from the woman. I don't understand why it has to be an either/or; in my experience, the best relationships happen when two people capable of being self sufficient choose to build a life together.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 06:02 PM
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Personally, I think committing to someone who hasn't proven themselves worthy is a bad strategy for men and women alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 05:53 PM
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Do you think this cycle is an effective strategy for conflict resolution? Is resolution even desired by either side?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 05:27 PM
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The big problem people run into when being hypocritical is neglecting to consider whether it will help or hinder their desired outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 05:23 PM
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The examples on the married rp sub come to mind
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 05:18 PM
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As long as our end goal lines up, we respect each other, and have similar values, differences of opinion can be resolved fairly easily. If those three things aren't present I'd consider us to be fundamentally incompatibile in a way that can't be overcome with compromise. I do think compromise is necessary, but in my experience it doesn't feel like I'm 'losing' anything because our priority is always long term mutual benefit and happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 05:14 PM
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Cool, that's what I was thinking but a professional's opinion has way more weight. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 07:10 PM
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I'm inclined to agree. What do you make of this law?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 07:07 PM
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I don't think anyone is saying Smaug is as physically beautiful as the "perfect" man, but his internal traits/charisma make him more viscerally appealing than a "beauty" who has a bland personality. The further someone is from someone's physical ideal, the more charming/charismatic/personable they need to be to make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 04:47 PM
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Agreed on muscle mass. The nice thing about being fit/athletic is that it's earned, and the process strengthens the person mentally too. One needs dedication, perseverance, and patience, which are all good qualities to have. A nice bonus is training properly will fix most postural issues too. The clothes thing is mostly about looking presentable, I think. Not super stylish, just able to dress in a way that's suitable for the given environment. Personally I find eye contact important, it tells me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:54 PM
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Given the exact same face and height, do you think changing variables such as posture, muscle mass, clothing, or eye contact can influence how attractive someone appears?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:37 PM
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Do you think someone's internal qualities can influence how they look on the outside?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:29 PM
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Fair enough. What do you personally believe drives women's attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:24 PM
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The actor is "attractive" because of the contents, not necessarily the exterior. The image you posted is a pretty shell- Greek statues 'beautiful', but I'm not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:17 PM
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I understand that it is universally applicable. I'm just saying that the media reports I've seen are about sexual assault allegations against athletes or other popular/"high status" students. At this point I haven't come across anything indicating that this law is meant to prevent 'socially awkward betas' from having sex. It seems like a messy policy motivated by both good intentions and political grandstanding. I'm going to look for legal opinions on these laws, if you have any recommendations …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:03 PM
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a man that caters to what she wants but in real life he won't be able to stand his ground against other men. I don't think most well-adjusted women would want this. It sounds quite unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 01:02 PM
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Renaissance man all the way
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 12:57 PM
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Fair enough. What do you personally find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 04:11 AM
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I knew a male model who had a pretty severe "creep" reputation. Unfortunately I didn't find out about said reputation till after he wondered aloud how I'd react to being dragged into an alley and gang raped
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:25 AM
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Example A could a shorter guy who doesn't have handsome features but takes care of himself, has good social skills and a wide social circle, is well read and interesting to talk to, has hobbies, good posture, and cares about his health. This guy could very well come across as "attractive", and have lots of people want to date or otherwise spend time with him. Example B could be taller and more handsome, but doesn't care about presentation/hygiene, is socially inept and comes across as predatory/…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 01:07 AM
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Yeah it's total false advertising! I think it's mostly people with little life/social experience that fall into the "beauty=good" trap. I have way more admiration for/attraction to people who work to maximize what they've got instead of wallowing about things they can't control.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 12:28 AM
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I've heard of the halo effect, but I also know a lot of pretty idiots so model good looks don't tell me much about a person's quality. I should have specified I meant good genes in terms of classically attractive facial/physical features. Completely agree that judging people's insides based on their unchangeable external features is inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 11:38 PM
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I'm the same way. I think a lot of people "pedesalize" physically attractive specimens, but in my books good character trumps good genes every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 11:15 PM
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The single most uncomfortable encounter I've ever had with a man was with a very physically attractive male model who had poor social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 09:19 PM
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Well I'm not sure how this is applied in court or what the evidentiary standards are so I can't say anything about the relative risks. I think overall the best someone can do is try to be aware of their partners state, and proceed with caution if they don't have a good rapport with the other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 09:09 PM
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If she had given consent once and never told him to stop, does that satisfy the requirement for affirmative consent? Edit: could you provide any court/tribunal rulings in affirmative consent cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 09:02 PM
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To be perfectly honest, I think people having indiscriminate sex with strangers are tacitly accepting a certain amount of risk. A woman going home with a man she doesnt know is taking a risk; a man going home with a woman he doesn't know is taking a risk. Seems kinda dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 09:00 PM
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anyone can sit through sex they agreed to and then claim it didn't matter because their consent wasn't consenty enough. Good point, I can see this happening. To your knowledge, is there an existing precedent for this or is it a theoretical outcome? They shouldn't be expected to be mind readers in the eyes of the law Agreed. I do think that if someone feels the sexual dynamic has changed for the negative, or is no longer sure if their partner is having a good time, they should check. Maybe I'm sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:46 PM
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If I am sure my partner wants to be having sex with me, there must be an indication of enthusiasm for me to believe that. If I either stop believing or didn't ever believe that my partner wants to be having sex with me, should I keep going?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:41 PM
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I'm having trouble making sense of this law and its implications. If someone is unsure about whether their partner wants to be having sex with them, that's something that should be addressed. What practical difference does this law make? If I'm sure my partner is into it, all good. If I'm not sure, I should probably check, law or no law.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:27 PM
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My first impression when I read about this was that it would be mostly applied to the kinds of situations I've heard about happening at frat parties and certain athlete dominated environments. Is that just a stereotype I'm not seeing past? From what the media has reported, the students being accused trend towards the higher status end of the university social spectrums; of course that could just be because it makes for more interesting reporting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:23 PM
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I understand if you don't answer this, it's quite a personal question- have you or anyone you known had sex with someone without being sure that they actually wanted to be having sex with you? I've never experienced this so it's difficult to visualize
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:12 PM
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What specifically makes this an anti-male conspiracy, and how is it different from other well-intentioned but poorly executed policies?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:06 PM
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Agreed on the example, but do you think that level of genetic misfortune is representative of the average guy who is "unattractive"? Edit: In an extreme situation like that, I think it mostly comes down to the grace and maturity of the man or woman on the other end of the interaction. Someone who can recognize their shared humanity and behave accordingly will not undermine someone's dignity over things they can't control.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 07:42 PM
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You're forgetting the 'owning' her part. Where does that part belong? Plus, since most women have few convictions and fewer cares, knowing who they are and loving them completely is even easier. This seems strange. Why is it easier to love someone who has few convictions? Depending on what said convictions are (and which ones are lacking), the men I know would have less respect for her and be less likely to commit to her. I know some men that only love their woman because she's his and takes car…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 07:39 PM
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I think you're right. There's so much nuance involved in social interactions- it's difficult to account for that in online forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 07:31 PM
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But that's also the conundrum, why should most women really care or bother to find out? Because anyone who commits to someone without making sure their beliefs are compatible is naive or insincere. If a potential partner of mine didn't bother to find out what I care about/believe in I would not pursue a relationship with them. Beliefs and values are tied but I'm not sure which comes first. I don't think you can be okay with having contradictory beliefs and values, it would require cognitive diss…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 07:27 PM
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I agree with everything you said. Personally I believe that women are only loved for what they offer as well, and anyone who believes love is based on anything other than "you can provide something I want" is naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 07:11 PM
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Ha, I just replied to that comment. I think a lot of this depends on perspective and what someone respects/values. You're probably right about how most people react, it just doesn't line up with my experiences. Personally, I've enjoyed compliments from and bantered with many strangers trp would call "unattractive", and kept my guard up around many people trp would consider "attractive". It's about how comfortable I feel with that person and whether I think they expect anything from me or are jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 07:00 PM
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Someone who is unattractive because of genetic features but has developed themselves in the areas they can change will elicit a very different reaction compared to someone who is unattractive due to things which are under their control but they don't address/improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 06:50 PM
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Maybe people who are generally considered "attractive" are better at gauging social situations to determine whether or not their remark will be received positively or negatively. If they don't feel it would go over well, they don't say anything. Someone lacking that awareness would say it regardless, resulting in an awkward situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 06:44 PM
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Do you mean a man who is "unattractive" due to things he can control (poor hygiene, bad posture, undeveloped social skills/awareness, unpleasant personality) or due to things outside of his control (like facial features/height/autism)?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 06:39 PM
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Ppd is an entertaining place, for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 06:31 PM
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From what I've seen, the decline starts when one partner gets complacent or loses their self-respect/drive for self improvement, and the other partner sits idly by instead of helping them get it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 06:24 PM
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That's what I suspected, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 06:11 PM
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I get that it feels shitty to be used, but if they want to be lusted after they need to have some kind of output that is lust-worthy, no? To me it seems like this is where the self-awareness comes in- if a guy realizes he's attracting shitty women who use him for his money, there is likely something about him that prevents him from being attractive internally. A woman who cares about the "who he is" bit will not go out with him if "who he is" doesn't inspire respect and admiration; this leaves h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 06:10 PM
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For example, is he a capitalist or socialist. So men want women to love them based on their preferred economic/political theory? Do you think "belief" in a certain economic model is a product of one's values? Do you hold any "beliefs" that contradict your "values", and if you so could you explain what they are and how you rationalize them? Values more have to do with care. Beliefs more have to do with what is true. How are you defining "belief"? How do you determine whether something is "true"? …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 06:03 PM
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Hahaha I will, promise
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 05:30 PM
1

So why is "providing" bad? Lust is the result of being provided with a sexual stimulus. If a person is not providing a stimulus, what is there to lust after?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 05:24 PM
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Thanks. It would be nice to get a concrete explanation at some point
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 05:21 PM
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Women never love who a man is, they don't really care about his beliefs and what he stands for. I still don't understand this. Can you provide actual examples of what you mean here? "Beliefs" and "what he stands for" are incredibly vague and I think the conversation would be more productive if everyone was working with the same foundation. Personally I'm interpreting "beliefs" as "values" but I'm not sure if that's what you mean. That's all basically irrelevant to her life and needs and feelings…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:59 PM
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The only reason anyone spends time with another person is because they get something they want out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:47 PM
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Do you think lying to oneself is a distinctly "female" trait?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:33 PM
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I couldn't make it through the video, the whole thing seems too forced.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:27 PM
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And giant sunglasses
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 07:39 PM
1

So much for "representative democracy"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 06:04 PM
1

Those sound like good things to implement.. do you think that could realistically happen in the near future?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 05:58 PM
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Strange way of thinking for a lawyer
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 05:51 PM
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Never. I dated men from a variety of cultures and backgrounds and never experienced anything resembling violence or abuse. One guy made some alarming comments on the second date but I consider him an outlier, and there was no third date.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 05:47 PM
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Oh gotcha. It seems like an all-around nasty situation, where people who don't have viable options wanted someone who'd speak up for them. I somewhat understand the desperation of someone struggling day to day to stay afloat; "progressive moralizing" is usually a luxury reserved for people in a relatively advantageous position.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 05:11 PM
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Not sure what you mean here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 05:03 PM
2

Do you think this situation will get worse, or is there anything to be optimistic about?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 04:56 PM
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Wow. Given this context it makes sense that so many people voted for "change". It's unfortunate that the changes don't seem to be going in a good direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 04:55 PM
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How widespread do you think this is, and what are its implications for the future of American society?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 04:16 PM
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It would require all existing governments to agree to cede certain authorities to an overarching structure. Given the nature of power and its pursuit by sovereign entities, I don't foresee non-representative states in a position of strength willingly limiting their own power to pursue their interests. Aliens it is, then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 03:21 PM
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sounds like communism/socialism. Yeah. Another example is Iraq post 2003, where the US deliberately introduced political and social policies intended to create/exacerbate sectarian and ethnic divides in order to destabilize Iraqi society. As much as people balk at the idea of a corporate backed world government, I no longer think its such a terrible idea. I don't think it's a terrible idea either, just a naive one
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 02:59 PM
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I feel the same. Living vicariously through on screen athletes just allows people to divorce their self-perception from reality... armchair quarterbacks criticizing players but who themselves can't run 10m come to mind. Or people yelling at mma fighters on the screen but having no idea what it actually feels like to be in a 1v1 physical and mental battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 02:35 PM
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That's my experience as well. I think in many people watching sports is an easy proxy for the competitive adrenaline and physical thrill of actually participating... a way to feel tough without actually doing much
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 02:22 PM
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Do many of these men play football/sports themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 01:59 PM
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I think it'll end with a whimper, not a bang. I think that north American society breeds generally incompetent people, including women, and men are getting fucked over; power is a pendulum, and when there is a shift the formerly powerless group often turns their newfound influence against their "oppressors". Due in part to the general intellectual deficiency, people don't understand that the actual "oppression" is an intentional feature of the political entity. Instead of uniting as a social str…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 01:52 PM
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Your post is similar to my experience and observations, and I've been trying to raise my kids so they're not constrained by the same biased perspectives. I want them to feel that they are capable of pursuing what they're interested in, and considerations of "this is a boy/girl hobby" shouldn't come into it. They get enough social pressure from other kids, my job is to make sure they can stand strong against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 01:33 PM
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Maybe it's a proxy for experiencing direct competition, like watching sports can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 01:25 PM
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Sure I can see that happening with toys. I wouldn't know how to separate that from parental influence though; if a girl looks up to her mom and sees her wearing makeup and nice clothes/heels/carrying a purse, that forms the child's image of what "female" means. Same with a boy and his father. Based on my experience I'd say both intrinsic preference and external influence plays a role. In terms of hobbies as an adult, the majority of people I know (men+women) enjoy animals, reading, and looking p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 01:16 PM
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You're absolutely right. If you're interested in this kind of stuff you could look into political realism and branch out from there. In terms of the trp male/female thing, I think the average western male and average western female are both weak and exploited. When they argue over who has it worse it's like watching someone missing their right arm fight with someone missing their left arm about who is more handicapped. Looking at the myriad of racial, gender, economic, ideological, and religious…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 01:05 PM
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Sorry this is another long one. I'm not an expert on American domestic politics but I'm familiar with their international strategies and see patterns that are replicated internally. To my eyes there are both social and political reasons for the current state of gender relations, and at this point it's a self-perpetuating loop. Socially, domestic America is very much fuelled by emotion and a strong, if unfounded, superiority complex; there is a lack of taught personal responsibility, resulting in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 02:55 AM
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What do you make people who are interpersonally successful without the divisive view of male/female nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 01:30 AM
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Yep. The "American" political entity is predatory, and in order for it to pursue its ends it needs a society of prey. Prey can't be powerful and competent, it needs to be soft and malleable for the system to function. From an outside perspective, the divisions many people attribute to male/female biology should be attributed to socially supported personal incompetence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 01:05 AM
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Fair enough. If that strategy is working for you there's no point in changing it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 11:51 PM
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If you based it on your friends' opinions, I hope you accounted for any potential self-aggrandizing hyperbole.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 11:37 PM
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Ah ok. If you had a similar experience to my relatives, you were taught to value/cultivate intangibles like intellect, knowledge, competence, and dignity. Then you ended up in a western culture that placed more value on the acquisition of tangible goods/wealth, and never quite found other people who held the same values because western society doesn't encourage their development. I think the mentality of people who have experienced hardship in the near past is significantly different from those …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 11:35 PM
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Thanks! The last paragraph sums up what I've been wondering about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 11:21 PM
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So your "treat women like strippers" thing was based on less than 10 visits to a strip club?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 09:42 PM
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I think you replied before I edited. Which part should I explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 09:36 PM
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Damn. Obviously I'm making assumptions about your background and general experiences, but it can't have been easy to grow up with that cultural dissonance. If I'd moved as a child I'd probably be in the same boat Edit for bad phrasing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 09:28 PM
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Good bot
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 09:05 PM
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Do you mind if I ask how old you were when you moved to the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 09:01 PM
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Sounds like it. It's a shitty boat to be in that's for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 09:00 PM
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I imagine our parents have more in common with each other than with north Americans of the same generation. From what I've seen the mentalities/worldviews are completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 08:41 PM
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I'm Hungarian
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 08:35 PM
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That's exactly how I lose respect for people too. I have relatives who emigrated to Canada/the US in the 80s as adults, and they've had a really hard time adjusting to "western" attitudes and thinking. They have the same problem with forming outside relationships- no one worthy of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 07:04 PM
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What do you think is the reason for not knowing many people you respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 06:35 PM
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From personal observation, most people are bad at choosing partners. Male/female doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 05:38 PM
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What kind of beliefs do you mean? Like "I believe in improving myself and living a virtuous life" or "I believe that a person's potential for competence is limited by their biological sex" or "I believe in God and living according to the bible"? Can you give examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 05:36 PM
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Why is subconscious manipulation different from conscious manipulation, if the end result is that someone is manipulated?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 04:47 PM
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So men value the opinions of people they don't respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 04:45 PM
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it takes time to see if someone is powerful or weak internally. Absolutely. That's why respect isn't the default- I need time to gauge whether they deserve it. what are yours? I'm from a formerly socialist country, and my family values self-reliance, personal responsibility, knowledge/the process of its acquisition, and steadiness in the face of adversity. Education and career is in international politics, which refined my understanding of human nature and helped guide my interpersonal relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 04:29 PM
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My personal impression is that my standards for granting people respect are also quite high. The difference in our experiences may be found in our culture/upbringing and social/professional circles. I get to know someone enough to judge if they're internally 'powerful' (strong?) or weak; if they are weak I don't respect them beyond common courtesy. If they are powerful, I determine whether they deserve my respect. Male vs female doesn't come into play. If a man hasn't earned my respect I would n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:44 PM
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Sure, I do the same thing. The difference seems to be that I have many people around me who I feel deserve or have earned my respect; there are some I respect as complete people, and there are some where I respect certain things about them but not necessarily them as a whole. In terms of relationships, if people who haven't earned my respect have similar horror stories, I'd probably chalk that up to the fact that they're dating people who don't respect them. If I were having the same negative ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:23 PM
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Sorry for the novel, I just find this topic really interesting. except I do not feel a deep admiration for a heck of a lot of people. that shouldn't invalidate their experiences. It doesn't invalidate their experiences, but for me it does minimize how much I trust their assessment of said experience and why it happened. If I don't respect the people around me, that tells me I'm around the wrong people. There are traits that I admire in others and aspire to in myself, and I seek out company that …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:58 PM
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Yes I only consider the opinions and experiences of those I respect. Respect: a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. If I don't respect them, why would I give any credence to their worldview? Respecting someone means I find them admirable and value their opinion; no respect=no value beyond common courtesy. Edit: whether or not I respect someone, I form my own opinion about their experiences. It may or may not line up with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 01:07 PM
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I'd say the problem with that analogy is that "reality" is still being dictated by someone else. If the girl truly wants to figure out what's up she has to do that by looking inside herself, not following another person's framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:56 PM
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Oh yeah. That scares lots of people away from doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:54 PM
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I'd hopefully stop and assess whether the people around me are representative of a wide variety of social, cultural, and intellectual backgrounds. If they are, and they are people I respect, and they have the exact same opinions and experiences, patterns may emerge. In my experience, being surrounded by people I respect who come from different backgrounds has led to the demolition of broad stereotypes, rather than their reinforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:52 PM
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Yeah. Even if the second time isn't perfect, hopefully I've learned enough for it to be better. As long as I'm learning from failures and adapting my strategy, I'm improving.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:56 AM
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I've also noticed most women have similar interests - particularly animals, reading, fashion, and children/babies. On the other hand, when it comes to men, the only thing I could fairly reliably predict is an interest in sports, and even that's far from universal. In my experience, much of this comes down to socialization as a child. Kids tend to emulate the adults around them, and some parents don't (or can't) give their kids a wide variety of experiences so they can form their own interests an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:55 AM
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Question because I know almost nothing about IQ measurements- are studies generally representative of only a specific region (eg america) or do they use international data?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:48 AM
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Yep. If a girl meets a Vegas high profile social figure on tinder and is surprised that she's a short term lay, she needs to recalibrate her worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:42 AM
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It's the weirdest thing. The other one that's interesting is 'You pursuing your self interest is manipulative and AWALT and emotional but me pursuing my self-interest is rational and noble and superior.' It's almost like people lack the self awareness to understand their own motivations and instead look to social/ideological frameworks to tell them how to think; if their chosen framework fails them, they jump to the opposite one because obviously everything is dichotomous and nuance doesn't exis…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:35 AM
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In my experience our superiors cared more about knowing how we were working to improve our weaknesses than about what the weakness actually was. I guess it depends on how much bullshit the higher levels tolerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:59 AM
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If my partner bails when things get hard, that's their individual nature and I made a mistake when I chose that person. That doesn't mean I assume everyone else is the same and give up, it means I'm more careful next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:48 AM
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Manipulation is a human trait, not a "female" trait. Anyone who thinks they themselves don't have the capacity to be manipulative has been manipulated by an external entity and taught to believe that so as to make their own exploitation easier. Men are just as capable of manipulation as women; I'd argue that in the public sphere men have been responsible for most manipulation over the past few millenia.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:26 AM
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How is that possible to know, unless someone has faced a situation where they are required to do so? Until I'm staring death in the face, anything I think I'd do is pure conjecture. The only thing I can see most people fighting for is themselves and the people they love. Some people may not even fight then, they'd freeze and become the first victims
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:22 AM
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I don't think I can love someone I can't respect. Which makes sense, since my kids would be dumb as fuck. And I really don't respect the vast majority of women, especially the ones that go for me. This is my (favourite) cousin. It's hard to watch someone I love throw himself into a self-perpetuating loop because he deep down doesn't think he deserves to be happy. I don't know what your reasons are but the self awareness in your comment reminded me of him anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:16 AM
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Isn't it better to judge someone by their actions instead of their self-professed beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:05 AM
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Seriously some women really suck at backing off when they need to. Absolutely. What I don't get is why the conclusion reached from this situation is "AWALT" and not "I picked a shitty partner who is manipulative and selfish. I should be more careful in the future". Just about every man I know has had bad experiences with women, but they all took option 2 with great success.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 12:01 AM
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Can you give an example of what kinds of things a man's ideology says about him?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 11:47 PM
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Wouldn't a rational person walk away from a situation where someone is provoking them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 11:38 PM
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Sounds like using "biology" to justify picking a sub-par partner
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 11:36 PM
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Sure, but in my experience some people start off with opening up emotionally before they have even had a chance to gauge the person. Indiscriminate vulnerability is a good way to get hurt repeatedly, unless someone just gets completely lucky
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 10:28 PM
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Yeah I always err on the side of "there's more to this story"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:22 PM
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That... is kinda terrifying
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:00 PM
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Saying that my weakness is "I care to much about the quality of the work" would get me laughed out the room and my cv tossed in the garbage
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 04:51 PM
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Yeah. I just think that if rp was as "Machiavellian" as they claim they would understand the benefits of being vulnerable
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 04:37 PM
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Agreed. "Calculated" or "manufactured" vulnerability is also an effective manipulation technique, for those who don't care about being genuine
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 04:35 PM
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I think a lot of people go wrong in deciding when to show emotional vulnerability, who to show it to, and how much to show. Getting any of these wrong is likely to end poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 04:16 PM
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Where do the ESTx people hang out?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 03:02 PM
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Sounds like a lovely relationship, congratulations- and I hope you have a great life together
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 03:00 PM
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What mechanisms do you think regulate impulse control and deferred gratification?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 02:48 PM
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In the US I was only around bjj gyms, pretty common there. In hungary it's very common at regular lifting gyms, in canada lots of people who work out at golds and other such places are on something or other. I wouldn't say it's a majority, but it's not exactly rare either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 02:25 PM
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Ah gotcha I'm on my second coffee so my humour detector should start working any minute now
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 01:47 PM
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I didn't word that well. I meant to say that I don't think it's very likely for such a woman to be single, but if she is its probably by choice. Never meant to imply that people like that don't exist, just that in my experience people who fit that category and want to be in a relationship usually find one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 01:42 PM
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I don't think it's likely unless there are extenuating circumstances. I know some athletes who are attractive and single because the rigorous lifestyle isn't conducive to a relationship and they prioritize their sport performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 01:38 PM
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It's been that way for a long time, at least in certain gyms
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 01:11 PM
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If we're assigning responsibility to men, I'd argue they shouldn't enter a relationship with a woman who can't or won't communicate her needs clearly and productively. Of course being aware of body language is always beneficial, but someone who is relying on that to determine whether their partner is about to leave them or not probably didn't choose wisely in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 02:39 AM
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It would make sense to me that he doesn't emphasize those things if he is happy with their mutual attraction and interaction... someone who isn't happy with those may think about them more, and use them as the main descriptors when talking about the relationship. I read the original post as two more or less well adjusted people who enjoy each other's company enough to want to build a life together. If she was into the "roles" instead of the relationship, wouldn't she be pushing a faster marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 02:34 AM
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Can you give examples of "loving him for him not for what he represents"? I'm trying to visualize how this can be judged from the original post's descriptions
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 01:25 AM
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Yeah for sure, I think any relationship that isn't built on genuine admiration and respect for the other person's "self" is limited in potential to begin with. I'm just wondering what kind of descriptions would lead him to conclude that she loves him for "him" and not for what he represents
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 01:21 AM
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Can you give some examples of what "she's attracted to YOU" consists of?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 12:59 AM
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Agreed. Men who have power (internally over themselves and externally over others) generally get what they want regardless of height/facial attractiveness. Men who don't have power have to rely on their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 03:49 AM
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I don't think it's possible to determine the truth of his kgb days. That stuff is probably on lockdown, and what is reported depends on the bias and interest of the source
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 01:12 AM
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Haha that works too. On a side note, it's unfortunate that so many people become less physically active as they age; they could hold up so much better into their 60s+ if they kept moving more
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 01:10 AM
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Power+competence=attractive, as long as it doesn't threaten our instinct for self-preservation
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 01:05 AM
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Is it the power and general competence?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 01:03 AM
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Fair enough, the term is more pejorative than ignorant
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 12:48 AM
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A short powerful guy is more attractive than a tall powerless one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 12:39 AM
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Mirabile visu, too
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 11:03 PM
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This guy's body type is similar, but personally I find the presentation way more appealing http://back4health.fitness/files/img/dmitry_klokov_back4health.png
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 09:13 PM
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Oh yes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 09:09 PM
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It's always interesting to discuss a topic with someone who has a different perspective/approach; I think we're disagreeing on philosophical grounds, not necessarily the reality of the process of civilization/domestication. In political philosophy, civilization is a process which hinges upon a social contract enforced by an authority. Cities are built on this social contract; were the social contract removed, society would cease functioning. I view the process of civilization as referring not ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 08:51 PM
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Which do you think came first: people being forced to follow the rules of the authority/conquerer, or the establishment of cities as we understand them today?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 05:59 PM
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I see it the other way around; the domestication starts when individuals first cede power to an authority. Cities are a product, not the cause. I think we're essentially saying the same thing, just starting with a slightly different definition of 'civilization'
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 01:53 PM
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Cicero's use of 'civitas' (state) has a distinct political element, translating roughly to "the social body of the cives, or citizens, united by law (concilium coetusque hominum jure sociati)." Law, adhered to by citizens and enforced by authority, is the cornerstone of civilization; the opposite of civilization would be a state of nature, which would not allow for the realization of most of the above developments.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 01:19 AM
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I read the comment as civilization= relationship between subject and authority, not necessarily urbanization
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 03:37 PM
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Oh yeah I think it's human nature without the emotional attachments that (mostly?) keep us from exploiting those we care about/consider part of our tribe. IR is the modern incarnation of Tribe vs Other, except with fixed borders.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 03:42 AM
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I think this quote is a simplified version of the international political system, whose anarchic nature results in some governments prioritzing securing their long term political interests over the long term interests of their citizens. When citizens' interests are sacrificed to secure governmental interests, society suffers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 03:26 AM
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Science has no place here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 08:00 PM
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The only difference between confidence and delusion is the probability of success. I'd say the difference lies in level of competence and how comfortable someone is with failure. A person who doesn't view failure as something to be ashamed of is much more likely to take risks and face challenges head on. Someone who associates failure with shame will likely go out of their way to avoid public situations that may result in failure. Confidence does not mean one will always succeed, it just means t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 02:57 PM
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Confidence based on proven competence and confidence based on delusion are very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 02:24 PM
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Broad self-confidence is built upon narrower self-efficacy and competence, and repeated failure is an integral part of the process. An adult who has never faced failure is far less equipped to overcome it than someone who has faced it consistently and sees failure as a temporary setback to conquer. There has been a lot of research into strategies for developing confidence in athletes, as well as support for the use of visualization and mental imagery in improving performance, confidence, and sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/17 02:12 PM
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I wear it when I need to look more polished, maybe once or twice a week. I haven't noticed a difference in how much male attention I get in makeup vs no makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 05:06 PM
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I wear it when I need to look more polished, maybe once or twice a week. I haven't noticed a difference in how much male attention I get in makeup vs no makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 05:05 PM
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Very true. Unfortunately there's also a major political component that benefits from social division, so they fuel opposing extremist elements to prevent social cohesion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 04:59 PM
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That's really cool. Do you mind explaining the difference between men/women or pointing me at a link? I'm seeing lots of studies about frontostriatal circuit damage and malfunction but not about differences between the sexes when it comes to "love".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 04:06 PM
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Which particular neural mechanism is responsible for "falling out of love easily"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 03:38 PM
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both are just enabler groups Yeah. And the animosity precludes the possibility of any actual solution, so they're just stuck in an inflammatory loop
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 03:00 PM
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Yeah this is my impression too. It's partly the things people admire about him/his competence in other arenas that allow him to be taken seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 02:54 PM
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if there were ulterior political motives at work
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 09:33 PM
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The way I think of it, a social contract exists because I accept the rule of law and therefore its enforcement by the authority. Whether I signed up for it or not is irrelevant in reality; my options are to accept the existing form or rebel against it. I see what you're saying though; we likely have different perspectives because of our different backgrounds. The idea of statelessness is really interesting and not something I've encountered much; to me, it seems like that would result in an anar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 07:36 PM
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The basic premise of a social contract is that individuals agree to relinquish some of their rights to an authority for the sake of social cooperation. In a stateless scenario, what kind of authority would you like to see, if any?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 07:12 PM
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A government securing negative rights is still a social contract, just based on a different set of principles. Any agreement between citizens and an authority is a social contract- according to Hobbes, life without a social contract is anarchic, nasty, brutish, and short
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 06:43 PM
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As far as I know, Locke didn't have anything to say about the pursuit of happiness. That was Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, wasn't it? I think Locke's natural rights were life, liberty, and estate. Do you believe the purpose of the social contract is to uphold negative rights/freedom from instead of enforce positive rights/freedom to?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 06:25 PM
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No, I missed that day in flirting class
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 06:03 PM
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Who in power is trying to kill it? I don't know the ins and outs of the situation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 03:19 PM
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If one doesn't study politics and the way they've impacted the world, how would one go about understanding current trends and devising/deploying strategies to further domestic and international interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 03:11 PM
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Do you think the current system produces the desired outcome? Should anything be changed? Sorry for the million questions, this stuff is fascinating
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 03:09 PM
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So no change, just acknowledge and carry on...More of a spectrum than a hierarchy. Thanks The American conception of race is different so it's interesting to see the issue from another perspective. When someone says 'acknowledge racial differences' I tend to jump right to the most extreme examples
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:59 PM
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I should have been more specific, I meant to ask what US society would look like if it acknowledged racial differences. I'm not aware of an apt historic comparison, but that doesn't mean there isn't one
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:42 PM
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What would a society that acknowledged race differences look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:34 PM
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Exactly. That's the best strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:23 PM
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Gotta keep 'em sexually frustrated so they can be pointed in a particular direction and sent off to rape and pillage
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:21 PM
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I'd start with Spencer's wife, who is apparently an "independent" geopolitical analyst originally from the USSR. I have a similar personal and professional background, and reading that made me laugh. A lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:18 PM
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Could you expand on what you mean by "natural rights theory"? Are you distinguishing between 'natural law' and 'natural rights'? Which philosopher's work are you using as a foundation?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:16 PM
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For me, the number of previous partners he's had has no bearing on attraction; however, knowing he's slept with certain individual women is absolutely a "stay away" sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:06 PM
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Political interests harness biology. Divide and rule: "Instigating division through the use of a divide-and-conquer technique is the breaking up larger concentrations of opposition power into pieces that individually have less power than the one implementing the tactic. Rhetorically, it can be implemented through the introduction or exacerbation of a wedge issue among an opponent. Militarily and geopolitically, it can be implemented by developing conflicts through, for example, false flag attack…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 01:46 PM
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I've experienced a few different scenarios A) I approach him B) he approaches to get to know each other/date C) he approaches for sex, we go on dates instead
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 01:22 PM
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Works every time
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 03:51 AM
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I don't think I ever said they did
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:41 AM
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Agreed on the outcome and blaming the system. The issue I see is that some people try to find biological explanations for politically driven phenomena.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:40 AM
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In theory there may be. In practice, if it suited my purposes, I'd say "women who don't find you and your beliefs attractive are inferior". Later I (or someone else) could say, "people who are inferior are sub-human, and you have the right to do whatever you want to them." It's about precedents becoming set and later normalized, the intentions of a movement's leaders and the political and economic interests backing said movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:32 AM
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Angry youth are cannon fodder for ideology and thus the backbone of political machinations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:25 AM
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"Make angry young men think they'll get sex" is a fantastic carrot with which to further political interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:21 AM
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I tentatively agree. I have very little experience with what I'd call "malicious" misogyny though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:19 AM
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There's some other group that promises its members sex as a reward for faithful service, I can't quite remember which one though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:13 AM
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Same here, I'm thrilled with the result haha
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 01:56 AM
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Ah fair enough, bad boy types make up most of my male acquaintances so my experiences are skewed
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 01:54 AM
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Yep. The insecure/validation seeking variety is what I've seen most frequently... the adrenaline seekers I watched seemed to require a certain kind of intoxicating chemistry where they didn't know if they'd be safe with that particular guy, but that was part of the appeal. Very strange dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 01:42 AM
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Sorry, I'm not sure what distinction you're making
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 01:01 AM
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That's where personal and familial values come in. Whatever the current norm may be, an individual is free to decide whether or not following said norm is in their personal best interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 12:53 AM
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The people who complain about the opposite sex don't take the time to figure out if the person they're dating/sleeping with is the "right person", so they end up with people whose values, goals, expectations, and behaviour don't line up with theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 09:29 PM
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I think most of the issues people complain about stem from forgetting to make sure it's the right person
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 09:04 PM
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I'd interpret mutual attraction, respect, and caring as signs of good character in both parties
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 08:26 PM
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Men who've had lots of casual sex don't usually start looking in that same pool of candidates when they want to settle down
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 08:06 PM
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I feel old. "Good character" used to be the first thing to look for in a partner, not wealth or model-esque looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 08:03 PM
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Haha well as a foreigner they sound pretty American to me. I guess no one wants to claim them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 08:01 PM
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Agreed. I think we're back at the class/values thing again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 07:59 PM
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Yeah this way of thinking reads like a teenaged male fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 07:47 PM
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"Some" people want to do just about anything you can think of. I don't see how we can make generalizations about a population by the desires of a small number of individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 07:46 PM
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For a guy like that to fall in love with me, he needs to respect me. If my strongest tool for generating interest is sex, which he can get anytime with minimal effort, there is no incentive for him to get to know me better. In fact, he'll think that if I'm throwing sex at him right away I don't have anything else to offer, and that precludes the respect necessary for a relationship. Strategy wise, I'm better off seducing his mind instead of his dick, and making sure he's thinking of me while he'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 07:06 PM
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My experience has been the opposite. The men I know who have women throwing themselves at them have nothing positive or pleasant to say about those women; they may or may not sleep with them, but under no conditions will they invest their time or effort into them. Of course, different areas or people might have different strategies, this is only what I've observed among friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 06:36 PM
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How are you defining "quickly"? Sex within a week of meeting? An hour? A month?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 06:10 PM
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Also overestimating how content they are with their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 09:59 PM
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Ah sorry, I got mixed up with another comment. I meant to ask whether you think less young people overall are able/willing to forge their own path, or is that just an impression I've developed through what I see online?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 07:45 PM
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Do you think it's possible to buck trends, notice underlying realities and exploit them, not care what other people think, and break rules and norms to get what one wants without being a selfish asshole, or is anyone who does those things automatically an ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 06:21 PM
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What do you think caused this shift in attitude?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 06:03 PM
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Agreed. "But we were told.." is code for "I get exploited by people smarter than me"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 05:47 PM
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Oh no it definitely happens, I know guys who gotten destroyed by shitty partners. Given the chance, I'd happily strangle my husband's ex gf
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 02:06 AM
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It's solipsism to acknowledge that something happens to others even though I've never experienced it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 01:48 AM
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Yeah I'm sure that happens
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 12:15 AM
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Very much so
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 08:02 PM
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Oh I missed that claim. It seems like common sense that if someone doesn't find me sexually attractive they won't want to have sex with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 08:02 PM
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Do you think sexually unattractive people should get sex from people who are not attracted to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 07:58 PM
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So the cc making a woman realize that getting off it is in her best interest is good for a guy looking for a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 07:54 PM
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But women who get off the cc get in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 07:45 PM
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The development of those structures in the individual seem to depend on prenatal testosterone levels which can vary within a given gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 07:31 PM
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Testosterone levels correlate to risk taking behaviour. Submission is ungendered though, otherwise society would not function.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 07:29 PM
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Yeah here the highest authority would be rule of law, as enforced by government
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 07:16 PM
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That's pretty sad. I wonder how people like that think about life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 06:22 PM
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That finding a partner will fix your problems
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 06:04 PM
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Yes. People care more about having a husband/wife than about being a good husband/wife
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 06:03 PM
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Yes. Society requires everyone to submit to the authority or face consequences. Everyone is submissive, or they are penalized
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 05:56 PM
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Right. So every time someone yields to an external authority, they are being submissive. How is this gendered? I see both men and women yielding all the time, we all do it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 05:10 PM
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Exactly. Set your expectations ahead of time, let them know what they are, and if they don't respect them, leave
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 02:53 PM
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I personally don't go by how much info/resources someone has, I just get to know them then if they seem like a person with dignity and integrity and there's mutual admiration we open up to each other more...it's a process of building trust and waiting to see if the other person has the necessary character to be a good friend or partner
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 12:35 AM
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It's not about making my life better or worse. This is alien to me, I don't spend time with people who don't make my life better in some way...why would I spend my time with someone who is a negative or a neutral if I could be spending it with a positive?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 12:14 AM
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I agree with you, the other poster has more extreme views so I wanted him to clarify
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 11:59 PM
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I've never thought about that before. Are some people not objectively better for your life than others?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 08:51 PM
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I share with everyone the same way. That's just how I am. Why not try to determine whether they're worth opening up to first?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 08:38 PM
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The unfortunate part is you have to be a very good judge of character or get really lucky Edit: If you experience it a lot you need to change your surroundings or change the way you select people to open up to
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 08:12 PM
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That's fair. Both people have to have their shit together for it to work...one person can't carry the whole thing by themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 06:57 PM
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I think the ideal for both sexes is to be emotionally and physically self-sufficient enough to allow someone else the chance to see/accept them as they are. For women this may take a physical form if there is an inherent size/strength difference, and for men it takes an emotional form since they are generally not in situations where women can physically dominate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 06:28 PM
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Is it a desire to be dominated, or is it a desire to know if she can trust you, and then relish that trust? Edit: it seems pretty human to want to know you can trust someone completely. Men do it via emotional vulnerability, women do it via physical vulnerability
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 06:13 PM
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I just showed you an example of the majority of the top 10 boxers p4p that had jobs had white collar jobs. Isnt that enough? You showed that 2/10 had white collar jobs. You dont need much money if you are talented and you want to train. Someone is going to snatch you up and train you for free. Ala matt hughes or jose aldo. MMA gyms are a business like any other, not a charity. They only snatch you up if they see you building their rep or bringing in $$$$ down the road. In my humble experience of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 06:09 PM
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I don't disagree that those are factors. I just don't see how it's compatible with trp style biological determinism
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 06:01 PM
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I don't see how one can simultaneously say "male biology is inherently superior" and "external factors influence male biology". This would seem to say that male biology used to be superior, but external factors changed it and it is now inferior. If biology is more influential than external factors, as trp states, how can weaker external factors change stronger internal ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:40 PM
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That would only be "power" if it produced it's own sperm, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:36 PM
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I originally read it as "report" and thought it was strange, then realized what it was supposed to in when I read your comment
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:35 PM
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That's mostly trust. The ultimate test is how someone treats me when I'm completely at their mercy, that tells me everything I need to know about their character
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:30 PM
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Hahahahahahaha I thought you're emphasizing the concept, then I noticed the spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:28 PM
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repor Ha I missed that in the original
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:24 PM
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So....flirting and being aware of the other person's response can lead to a good time?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:23 PM
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If male DNA is superior, through what mechanism(s) does the superior DNA become inferior?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:07 PM
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Unfortunately, men can't know what it is like, " to swat away crude sexual come ons from complete strangers, or worse, dangerous offers of mindless worship, like they're mosquitos on a hot summer night" I know a guy who deals with this exact situation, and he has extreme disdain for the women who behave that way. He either tells them to fuck off, or fucks them and tells them to fuck off afterwards
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:04 PM
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Could you give an example of someone unknowingly acquiring/wielding power? I'm having trouble thinking of one
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:41 PM
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Someone who thinks they aren't interested in power either genuinely isn't interested in power, or they have some cognitive dissonance going on. Can't tell unless you look at their life choices
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:31 PM
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Isn't maleness biologically superior? Are you saying social factors caused biological changes in males?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:26 PM
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For me, I want both. I've never dealt with either, but I might come to terms with a physical trespass more readily than an emotional one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 04:01 PM
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They're not honest with themselves about what makes them undesirable to others, and usually blame it on something outside of their control to avoid having to take personal responsibility. Accepting responsibility would mean their particular deficit is under their control, and that they're therefore actively choosing to limit themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:58 PM
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And tbh I'd say class has a much greater factor on how easy your life is compared to gender. Absolutely. It seems like in the US, people mostly succeed despite your system not because of it. Class determines how much assistance one gets in finding success
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:50 PM
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What is your truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:47 PM
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Yeah agreed. Seems like people who have the means to do so spare their kids from all possible discomfort, which may feel good but doesn't do the kid any favours
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:05 PM
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Yeah for sure. The bigger the weight difference, the more the skill differential has to favour the little guy if he wants to win. At 140, I can handle a white/blue up to ~200, any heavier and I'm thinking long and hard about whether I should roll with him. Absolute divisions are a thing, and even among black belts the smaller guy can win. It's a matter of strategy, conditioning, and how bad they want it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:04 PM
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Maybe many people in North America are over protected from harsh realities
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 02:42 PM
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A short thin guy will have a very different game from a heavy stocky guy. Range of motion, explosiveness, weight, and limb length are just a few of the factors that need to be accounted for. Heavy dude who can smash all day will have very different passes/guard style from a tiny nimble guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 02:39 PM
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Is this specific to the US or talking about the world in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 02:36 PM
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This has the bonus effect of also shaping the future preferences of said demographic
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 02:31 PM
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You can be giving and yet not get taken advantage of. You'll be way better off. Pretty much no one knows how to do this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 02:29 PM
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Most every body type will find a bjj style that works for them, given time and effort
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 02:02 PM
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It still doesn't make sense to me to say that the "vast majority" of elite fighters are white collar, but I absolutely agree trying to list them all is futile. However, when you say that white collar fighters do better than blue collar, there are a few issues. We still haven't shown that the vast majority are white collar, and you also assume that intelligence is the difference instead of economic situation. A blue collar worker in a physical job may have less money/time to devote to training, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 01:53 PM
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Do you train? If yes, have you fought? Can you please find stats about the vast majority of elite fighters being from white collar backgrounds? And do you mind pointing out where I said they are the vast majority, as well as where I said Lidell and Silva were part of the new generation?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 05:26 AM
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That also makes sense, I think both scenarios occur and it just depends on the people involved
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 12:23 AM
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I think she gains security, and power by proxy. What do you think she gains?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:56 PM
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Precisely. Some people run towards power, and some people run away. The ones with the traits from the 'passive' list do not run towards it, nor would they be able to use it effectively if they had it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:42 PM
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I know you hate semantic arguments but I find it difficult to level with you without asking -- what is your definition of power? Is it just getting what you want? Because everyone is motivated by that. Thanks for pointing this out. It may explain my confusion
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:38 PM
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They relinquish power to someone who offers them even more in return. So what kind of power does a shy, submissive, self-conscious, easily manipulated, confrontation-averse, emotionally sensitive, nurturing woman wield?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:34 PM
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One needs to have a certain mentality to effectively generate and wield power- good people who want to live happy lives surrounded by loved ones do not usually have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:30 PM
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The only reason anyone wants power is because it will further their self-interest. How is that gendered?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:27 PM
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Not only that, but power dynamics are kind of my thing and I do not know a single person with the traits from the 'passive' list that can effectively play power games. Edit: I think the 'covering up power hungry motivations' stuff is projection from people who don't understand how to get power but know they want it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:24 PM
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Are you saying men do not desire power for its own sake?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:19 PM
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Soft power is used either because lack of hard power or because it is the more efficient method of reaching a desired outcome. People with only "peace-seeking" traits become tools for other people; they are not the ones deploying any kind of power
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:15 PM
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Yeah. Diplomacy keeps the world spinning, literally. International relationships can't survive without it, and human relationships can't either
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:12 PM
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Sure but you're talking about hard vs soft power now. If 'peace seeking' is a cover for seeking power, it's still power seeking- just covert instead of overt. People with the traits on that list shy away from power and seek to relinquish it to someone else. They do not seek more out
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:06 PM
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Those are all still power seeking behaviours. I can see classifying it as hard vs soft power, but the peace-seeking label doesn't really apply if it's just a cover for power-seeking
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:03 PM
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When I think of SJWs, I do not think about peace seeking, I think about conflict generating Edit: Power seeking is power seeking regardless of whether the methods are overt or covert
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:01 PM
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Wasn't "feminine wiles" a thing back in the day?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 10:00 PM
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Which of the traits from the 'passive' list do you think he had?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 09:55 PM
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The original list of traits includes easily manipulated, self conscious, and confrontation averse. I'm not sure how those translate into effective power plays... one needs a bit more toughness than that, unless your targets are even weaker
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 09:54 PM
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I'm not sure if self-conscious, weak willed, easily manipulated people can pull that off. Unless we're changing the traits from the original list that belonged to 'passive' femininity
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 09:50 PM
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Do you think peace seekers generally understand power dynamics?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 09:39 PM
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It's the difference between taking responsibility for my own emotional wellbeing and placing responsibility for my wellbeing on the other person. "I need you because I can't do this myself" is weakness. "I'll be good with or without you" is strength. "I'm giving you the opportunity to decide whether or not you want to stay and will accept your decision either way" is vulnerability.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 08:18 PM
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Yeah it's completely counterintuitive. Our instinct is to curl into an emotional ball and hide our bad parts from the world... taking ownership of them requires the kind of effort most people aren't capable of.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 07:28 PM
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I am willingly exposing myself to the pain of someone walking away from me once they see inside. How is that not vulnerable?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 07:12 PM
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Absolutely. The closer they are in skill the more strength/size matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 06:54 PM
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Regarding the question in the title: if trp says only high status men are successful with women, then by default the men who are online looking for advice are low status
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 04:01 PM
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I absolutely agree. Vulnerability from a position of strength is "this is who I am, I am at peace with it or working to improve. I'm sharing myself with you and it's your choice to stay, or not. I will be fine either way."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 03:46 PM
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Yes exactly. My grandfather spent years in a soviet labour camp before making it back to his family, and while he never complained he was a completely different person afterwards. My mother's emotional stability was completely destroyed by the resulting family dynamic, and she's still dealing with its effects today.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 03:43 PM
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Well put, that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 03:37 PM
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Maybe it makes more sense to separate the shit players using it as a social hub from the shit players who take it seriously and want to be good players
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 03:35 PM
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Agreed. Growing up we were taught to develop our bodies and minds... I thought that was what everyone learned. Clearly I was wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 03:01 PM
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A 220 lb bodybuilder white belt (who doesn't have other grappling experience) will get absolutely smoked by a 130 lb brown belt.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 02:58 PM
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Everyone cares about the outside not the inside.... that's how you can tell a society's gotten too comfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 01:21 PM
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I never specified elite fighters, but plenty of them are non-white collar too. The new generation is also different in that they have been training from a younger age, and were able to train full time while working for their gym so they can focus on fighting. My comment was about mma in an every day training context: given equivalent training, guys who do physical work are more effective with their bodies and less averse to discomfort than those who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 01:11 PM
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Agreed. Trp has its problems but encouraging self awareness and improvement is never a bad thing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 12:54 PM
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I don't think many people can be honest with themselves about how shitty they are
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 03:55 AM
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I think he's saying be honest with yourself about your bad traits, then correct them. Good advice for all people, but most won't do it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 03:53 AM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 03:48 AM
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Most of the people I consider unattractive seem that way due to things they could control. Shitty attitude, undeveloped body, bad posture, doesn't care about their appearance... that's the stuff that strikes me as unattractive. An so-called "unattractive" face with an athletic body, good posture, good social skills, and well put together appearance is not unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 12:50 AM
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My definition of ugly seems to be different from rps..same with my definition of attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 12:42 AM
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That too. All the men I consider unattractive/average still have girlfriends/wives/hook ups... and the unattractiveness is usually due to something they can change. I don't know anyone who's autistic though...that seems to be a big thing here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 12:41 AM
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Agreed that's a disconnect. Another disconnect seems to be the RP idea of what an "attractive" man
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/17 12:30 AM
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I just find it interesting that people can have such different perspectives on relationships and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 11:52 PM
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Exactly, well put
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 10:17 PM
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After a few months I went and picked a fight and got my nose broke 🤕 Ha, sounds about right. Was there a life lesson in there somewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 10:10 PM
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There are always rules. The extent to which they are followed depends on the individual, but I don't see how the man can be 'in control' if he's following the rules of the establishment, which are designed to keep the girl safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 09:49 PM
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In that case he wouldn't need to be a SEAL or a doctor, he'd just need to be intelligent and treat both himself and me with respect
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 09:30 PM
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Muay thai is awesome. Those guys are beasts
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 09:28 PM
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As far as I know, most karate isn't full contact... except kyokushin, those guys are badass. In my opinion a well rounded fighter needs to be have both striking and grappling training, but if I had to choose I'd take grappling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 09:06 PM
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Yes! We actually met through BJJ and still train together. He's a gentle giant
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 09:03 PM
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To me, there needs to be a component of physical discomfort for something to count as "hard work". Physically demanding + mentally demanding= max respect
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:46 PM
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Errr My husband is a welder who does BJJ. Hmm We seem to have similar preferences...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:35 PM
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I'm partial to men who wrestle or train/compete bjj/judo. That's pretty much the only similarity among the men I've dated... besides the fact that they were all people who I respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:34 PM
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White collar=higher chance of having head up rear end
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:29 PM
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Somewhat but not really related, I love it when bodybuilders walk into a BJJ class thinking they're going to wreck everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:28 PM
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So much for the "American dream".. turns out it was just propaganda aimed at economically devastated eastern bloc countries
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:25 PM
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Growing up I used to envy American kids...not so much any more
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:19 PM
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Or bro lunch, or their buddy owns the place, or the club has gang ties.. Lots of reasons. The guys flashing the money around and being the top dawg aren't doing it for the women, they're putting on a display of power for the other men present
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:17 PM
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Interesting how it's the same mentality of entitlement/superiority that they accuse women of.... pot meet kettle
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:13 PM
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Thank you thank you, I'll be here all week
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:12 PM
3

So then how is the man in control if he has to follow rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:12 PM
4

Oh my god that image made my day
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:02 PM
2

I have seen many situations where the tradesman caught something the engineer screwed up...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 08:00 PM
2

If I put in the work to be those things, I expect a partner who does the same
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:57 PM
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I think you need to distinguish between physical potential and physical competence. A powerlifter may be huge, but they are limited in terms of what they can accomplish with their body. An MMA fighter would have all around better conditioning and work capacity, and their athleticism+skillset would lend themselves more readily to other forms of physical work. There are also many blue collar men who train/fight MMA; in my experience, they have a physical and mental advantage over their white colla…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:55 PM
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Which means that all the women married to "beta bux" are traditionally masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:47 PM
3

I don't even get wtf is happening in this thread. How entitled and out of touch with reality does someone have to be to look down on people who do physical jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:34 PM
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In sexual matters, tangible power trumps intangible power.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:29 PM
3

Personally, my attraction increases when I'm holding onto a muscular forearm and know that it's attached to an imposing and competent man
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:27 PM
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Maybe this whole rp thing is about trying to wrangle the traditional "working man" ideals into a body/mind formed by sitting in front of a computer all day
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:25 PM
3

Same. Working class over white collar every time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:24 PM
2

Those distinctions seem pointless to me. Good relationship=both partners getting their needs met. Bad relationship= one or both not getting needs met. I don't get why pills matter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 07:22 PM
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Have you been to clubs where there are no rules about how you handle the merchandise? It sounds like a bad business model, and something that could result in a legal nightmare for the club
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:56 PM
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The stripper had sex with them because she decided it was in her best interest. Her reason depends on the individuals involved and what they each want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:54 PM
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In my experience those men may go to strip clubs, but they're there for some other reason. The girls are just nice a background
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:49 PM
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The elite ones are basically acrobats. It's pretty awesome to watch
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:22 PM
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This is one of the most effective ways to determine whether someone is worth pursuing a relationship with. You both size each other up, if it's a green light you're good to go
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:21 PM
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they like the high confidence and dgaf attitude men have and show when treating women like strippers. Yeah no. Men in strip clubs are fucking chumps. Confidence? DGAF attitude? hearty lol. You seem to be imagine players throwing $100's around and commanding bitches The only men I've seen act that way in strip clubs were the owners/partners and their friends, or gangster types with ties to the club. Maybe some rich kids or businessmen purposely putting on a show, but that's more of a power play a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:19 PM
3

Do you think it's possible to find confident, not scared, and cares about her feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:11 PM
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He may be allowed to think he's in charge though. Maybe some people can't tell the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:09 PM
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The smart ones understand that and plan for it... I still don't see what there is to be jealous of
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:07 PM
1

Good point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 06:06 PM
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Good dancer+good social skills=lots of money
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 05:51 PM
1

Not all strip clubs are made equal
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 05:49 PM
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Hahahaha beautiful
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 05:48 PM
3

"Hot" and "sexy" imply sexual arousal. Does beauty automatically generate sexual arousal in you? If so, is that specific to beauty in women, or does art and other inanimate beauty inspire the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 05:47 PM
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No it doesn't. All that matters is whether my dignity and self respect is stronger than my desire for a relationship/sex/whatever. If they aren't, I settle for a shitty person- but the consequences of that are on me. I had a choice and I made my decision
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 05:13 PM
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This is a great comment. I'm glad you wrote it and I'm interested in the response
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 05:09 PM
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I was going for "supremely sarcastic" but it didn't work very well
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 05:07 PM
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You mean you're not jealous of women who rely on their ability to sexually arouse strangers to earn money? That's just strange
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 05:04 PM
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If doesn't matter what most people are like. If I hold myself and my potential partners to a higher standard, settling for someone with a shitty personality is not an option. This also seems to be a very US centric thing, but I know plenty of Americans who do not fit this "average man/woman" paradigm
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:53 PM
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Pretty much. Whatever the intent of feminism was, the economic interest was increased profit through having a larger workforce. Economic drivers don't usually care about individual wellbeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:51 PM
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That mentality means that she's not the kind of person I'd want to date in the first place, so I dodged a bullet. I know a lot of men, but I don't know anyone in real life who has these issues. My takeaway is that this phenomenon greatly depends on the individual and their values/environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:45 PM
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I was thinking more along the lines of people who can't get their own lives/priorities together and want someone else to do it for them- I should have specified that in my comment. I feel the same way you do about the physical aspect
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:28 PM
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Yes definitely agreed. If we add "entitled" to both lists, I'd say both are equally distasteful and I have no problems with them keeping each other occupied
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:23 PM
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Sounds stupid and ineffective
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:08 PM
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I think it's entirely possible that getting women into the workforce was done for much more cynical reasons than to give them more freedom, it was done to swamp the job market and lower conditions for people all around (which it has). Larger workforce, more competition, more exploitation=more profit
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:06 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:05 PM
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I was thinking of scenarios that lead to nagging/criticizing bullshit. If someone thinks that's a productive strategy they're in for a hard time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:04 PM
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To me that just reads as people having cognitive dissonance on both sides of the aisle, as well as confusion about the qualities that make relationships mutually beneficial and stable. I'm leaning towards your statement of many people being not smart- in which case they're left with each other
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 04:01 PM
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Of course. I just don't see why someone having low standards is anyone's problem but their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:53 PM
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I think a lot of this comes down to our working definition of narcissism. To my understanding, a certain amount of narcissism (confidence?) is necessary for asserting oneself and prioritizing self preservation/self interest. Functional confidence is generally built by failing and persevering; maybe in previous decades, men were exposed to many more opportunities for failure than women were, resulting in more confident/competent/narcissistic men. Currently, children of both genders seem to be cod…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:48 PM
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So why do the tall/buff/handsome men settle for less attractive women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:41 PM
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Sure. They're either not looking for a good partner, or they don't understand what qualities a good partner has. In the first scenario, they're not settling because they're getting what they want anyways; in the latter scenario, they're not settling because they are not selecting their partner based on qualities that will help the relationship to begin with. I don't understand where the "settling for more" idea comes in...are you saying they seek out men who take better care of themselves than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:26 PM
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A sound college education will also cement research and critical thinking skills, including source analysis and evaluating the world around you. From the sounds of it, STEM graduates would benefit from such knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:22 PM
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I think this is particularly problematic in the US post-secondary system. It may happen in other countries, but I have not seen it to the same extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:19 PM
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I think a lot of times they reclassify "competence" as masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:15 PM
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Tall and buff are not the qualities that determine whether someone will be a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:13 PM
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Makes sense. As long as the end result is both partners are happy I don't think it really matters how they get there
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:00 PM
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Ah ok that makes sense, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:58 PM
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I'm assuming this was in the US? I studied elsewhere and had different experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:42 PM
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Did it help shape your worldview at all? I agree different specialties will produce different results; someone studying US domestic politics may well end up seeing the world differently from someone who studied IR/international conflict management.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:32 PM
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Personally, I've seen many men be annoying via fight/nag/criticize/manipulate. I tend to see it as an annoying human thing instead of an annoying man/woman thing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:28 PM
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I'm very curious about your views here, just because I'm one of those poli sci people Do you think understanding the history and implications of political philosophy and that way it has shaped the modern world is valuable, or applicable to other pursuits? Do you have any personal experience with political studies, or are you working off of what you've seen in other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:15 PM
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What do you think they are? I'm interested in whether we perceive the same things as annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:12 PM
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Isn't that kind of on the man though? If I accept someone sub-par, aren't I responsible for the less-than-desirable outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:09 PM
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They want someone to make them feel safe because they don't have the inner strength necessary to feel competent at life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:07 PM
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Well if the desired "social advance" consists of the proliferation of sex bots, I can see why engineering and comp sci would be prioritized
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:05 PM
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Do you think political science is an irrelevant field of study?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:59 PM
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Do you disagree with the sentiment behind "my partner deserves love/affection/loyalty/honesty"? I'm not sure if your focus is the intent or the phrasing, or both
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:38 PM
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I agree. If they had that finesse they wouldn't be in their current predicament in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:33 PM
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This is entirely speculation, but I think it has partly to do with internal struggle being necessary for character development and self awareness. People who are shielded from life's challenges don't develop the skills needed for success. In terms of men vs women, it may be that children who are encouraged to play competitive sports from a young age and those who pursue activities that result in frequent public failure develop better coping skills and strategies that they can apply to other area…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:30 PM
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I agree women who behave like that are annoying. Do you think annoying men have different markers?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:18 PM
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Learning basic conflict resolution skills
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:17 PM
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It seems like those people don't have the communication skills to discuss issues constructively, so "stfu" becomes their way of preventing bigger fights. I don't see how that would result in any kind of resolution though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:16 PM
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nag, manipulate, and bitch and complain. The default state of people who don't have basic conflict resolution skills
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:11 PM
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Does it basically mean "don't be rude"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:06 PM
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Oh absolutely. From a political standpoint, ignorance is the best quality a citizen can have, and should be encouraged at any opportunity
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 12:51 PM
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My answer will probably be disappointing to you, but stuff like this doesn't matter to me at all, because I am not looking at RP as an ideology or a scientifically complete system. It's "just" one of the places where I find opinions, advice, new points of views and inspiration. Just like PPD. That makes perfect sense, and I absolutely see the value in it especially for people who are not able to develop strong boundaries/assert themselves etc. From browsing trp, the issue seems to be with the pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 12:50 PM
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You have to be responsible for your own success because people aren't going to cater to you OR your ego OR how you view the world subjectively. I completely agree this statement; it just seems like a strange juxtaposition to see "it's their fault for not telling me" alongside "it's not my responsibility to look out for others". You are not defined by trying you are defined by results. No one cares about try. And this is especially true in the business world. It is very true in business, but I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 12:35 PM
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Just throwing my 2 cents in. I don't see anything wrong with thinking your partner deserves something and then striving to provide that for them; why is that off-putting to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 12:25 PM
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I just can't see how the biology-based arguments in favour of (unearned) masculine superiority are compatible with a nuanced worldview. Do you have any thoughts on how I can reconcile the two?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:40 AM
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I absolutely believe my husband deserves the best of me, and my eternal love and affection. He's the single best person I know Edit to clarify: I don't believe it's a bad thing, nor do I think it lowers value
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:34 AM
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I think I had very high standards for a relationship, and married the only man who met them. I wouldn't say I deserved him, more like I knew what traits were important to me and didn't compromise on those. Of course, I had to put effort into being the partner that that kind of man would want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:33 AM
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Why can't it be "came together with a great girl and I have the best LTR I ever had!"? "Successful with women" implies continuous/multiple successes with more than one woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:28 AM
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I am trying to say that people, (doesn't matter if they are men or women) who don't think in leagues experience the dating market completely different than people who do. I absolutely agree with this. Do you think RP is nuanced enough to help men move away from this black/white dichotomous thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:26 AM
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Yes that's exactly what I meant, you just explained it way better. Thanks! Relationships never were and never will be built on charity. Two people who enter into any kind of arrangement, one night stand or marriage, do so because the other person has something they want. It could be sex, money, companionship, drugs, a nice car, whatever - but both people think they're gaining something. The problems start when it turns out they're not getting what they want, that what they thought they wanted is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:16 AM
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I think we're using "selfish" in different ways. I just mean that even if I'm doing things for other people, it's selfish because it feels good/makes people around me happy etc, and these all serve my long term interest of living a happy life in keeping with my values. Absolutely agreed that relationships should be focused on each other; I was more referring to motivations at the start of a relationship. If I'm contemplating entering a relationship, that person would have to make my life better …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 03:09 AM
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I think you're on to something with this safe bet deal. Many people now are so risk averse that they never put themselves in positions where they might fail; avoiding the shame of failure is considered to be the most important thing, when in reality repeated failure is the only way to improve and become a stronger, more competent person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:51 AM
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Regarding relationships as a selfish transaction, I'm really curious about what possible motivation someone would have to enter a relationship if they're not getting something they want out of it. This "deserving=selfish" this is weird- I can't think of a single thing I voluntarily do that doesn't contribute to my short or long term interest in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:32 AM
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Low testosterone means low risk tolerance, which means afraid of approaching women, which means rationalizing said lack of approach as "she's not hot enough" in order to save face.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:24 AM
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Many guys, myself included had the mindset: "A woman who is juuuust good-looking enough that I can find her attractive is the best option, because she will be more likely to fall in love with me than a more attractive woman. If she is more attractive I waste her and my time." Very interesting- it must be our different social contexts/experiences, but this thought process seems incredibly self-defeating. By attracting someone you think is a safe bet, you're not challenging yourself to be better- …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:54 AM
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Is there a rp protocol for situations like that? Like introduce them and let her struggle through the awkwardness? That's what I would have done I added an edit to my original comment that's actually relevant to the post. Sorry, hit send too early
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:28 AM
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So did you introduce the awkward tall chick to the built player dude? Edit: I can't speak for anyone else but I've always gone for what I "liked", with great success. My thought process was: why would I date someone I didn't like/wasn't attracted to? Does that seem alien to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:14 AM
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He looks like a Ken doll
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 10:50 PM
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they have the ego but not the sense of responsibility that has to come with it That's really well phrased and makes perfect sense
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 10:49 PM
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they see me as someone they can use but are too dumb to realize i'm actually using them. Very common, and very entertaining
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 10:24 PM
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Instead of dividing things by "all men..../all women....", people should be focused on identifying others who have similar goals. A guy who wants casual sex is going to strike out if he's chasing girls who want commitment; it seems like people aren't putting any thought into the other person's interests, and are just projecting their own desires onto strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 10:21 PM
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people aren't going to cater to your ego and feelings I'm perpetually confused by this mentality coexisting with the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps/you're responsible for your own success" narrative. What am I missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 10:17 PM
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Maybe this is regional, when I visit family on the west coast everyone says "asshole". Can't remember ever hearing "jerk" in a non-joking way
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 10:10 PM
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I think you're dead on with your assessment; that's the same conclusion I've come to as an outside observer. Political and economic interests have been exploiting US citizens for decades, and ignorant people who lack critical thinking skills and self-awareness are easier to exploit. The education system, targeted marketing, religion, various social ideologies...All potential mechanisms of social control. It's a precarious situation to be in, given the current international political climate, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 09:59 PM
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I didn't intend to make a moral judgement, just agree that those factors contributed to differentiating American social dynamics from those in Europe (at least the part I'm familiar with). Like you said, there are always winners and losers. All most people can do it try to pursue their interests within the given framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 09:50 PM
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I used to think we're the ones that got fucked hardest after WWII (former Eastern Bloc), but maybe it was actually American citizens... it seems like many people over there have been stripped of basic knowledge/life skills and are struggling in modern society because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 09:45 PM
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Precisely
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 09:30 PM
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How are you defining "asshole"? What behaviours are you thinking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 09:26 PM
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Thanks for writing that down. I'm not American so I really appreciate the insight into your society and the issues you guys are facing. It sounds like an all-around shitty situation, and I wish you all the best and hope you find a way to navigate it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 09:24 PM
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Ah sorry I'm not very eloquent today. I meant that I can share my opinion, but you decide whether it's relevant to you. Again sorry but I'm not getting the comment about control-are you saying it's not up to you whether or not you are content?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 08:06 PM
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I think many men and women feel that way, it's just that different situations trigger it in them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:55 PM
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It wasn't a jab. Different people have different standards for relationships. I personally wouldn't be with someone who hasn't earned my admiration or respect, but that is not at all relevant to your life. You make your own choices and decide what you can live with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:42 PM
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Mediocrity is perfectly normal, nothing wrong with it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:30 PM
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In that case I think you've answered your question- you are indeed content with your current life
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:08 PM
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Yeah of course there's way more nuance to it. My impression is that when a guy says "he's such an asshole to women", he isn't upset that a woman is being treated in such a way, he's upset that he is not the one with that particular woman. Am I completely off base?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 07:02 PM
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I think the context is "successful with women"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:52 PM
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The strategy that worked for myself and most satisfied people I know was "pursue knowledge and skills that I respect in others". Best case scenario is you meet a high quality partner you respect, worst case scenario is you become a self-respecting, self-sufficient individual
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:46 PM
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I can't say anything about animals, that's outside of my knowledge. Our modern understanding of politics cannot be divorced from basic human nature, and is reflected in the international political realm: rational actors seek to maximize their (perceived) self-interest. This is just as true for individuals as it is for nations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:43 PM
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I think so
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:40 PM
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asshole = wouldn't give me what I want
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:38 PM
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"He's more successful than I am (and isn't helping me)"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:35 PM
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Are you floored (in a positive sense) by anything about her? If not, why be in the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:31 PM
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Precisely. In a group of humans, attempts at acquiring power and influence are unavoidable. These attempts are "politics"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:30 PM
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Not many people of either sex are worthy of admiration. If you choose to live your life in a partnership with someone who you don't admire and who hasn't earned your respect, the consequences of that are on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 06:10 PM
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It's perfectly possible for someone to behave like an "asshole" with one person but not another. If a guy who generally treats women as interchangeable treats me with respect and affection, I haven't "changed" him; I've just earned his respect and affection, unlike other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:37 PM
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A self-respecting person prioritizes his own character development, and along the way determines what he wants out of life. He then pursues what he wants. I asked because it doesn't sound like you respect your girlfriend, and no self-respecting person dates someone they don't respect. They hold both themselves and their partners to a higher standard
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:17 PM
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What's your opinion of yourself? Do you like/respect the person you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:08 PM
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From what I can tell, many people focus on their providing for their kid's physical wants/needs and not so much the emotional or intellectual ones
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:00 PM
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No. My philosophy was that if I don't want to be with them in their current state, I shouldn't be dating them. The asshole thing is more like, "he respects himself and expects other people to earn his respect".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 04:59 PM
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Great list. In my experience another factor is that people who do not have a particular quality have trouble recognizing it in others. If I am not confident, I will mistake loud+rude for confidence. If I'm not aware of what healthy communication is, I will mistake possessiveness and control for love/passion. If I am not successful, I will mistake flashy behaviour and boasting for success. People don't know what they're attracted to because they don't know themselves. If you ask a grounded and pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 04:04 PM
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Women also believe they can make him not-an-asshole at least to her Yep. For some women (myself included), this is the ideal. Unfortunately most women do not know how to find or attract this specific type of asshole so they end up with the generic model
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 03:52 PM
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A little of column A, a little of column B
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 03:49 PM
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I believe that politics have influenced interpersonal relationships since interpersonal relationships between humans became a thing. Edit: I'm using this definition "the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 02:43 PM
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That makes perfect sense, thanks for explaining. I was trying to imagine the kind of parenting that produces rp/radical anything, and the mental picture wasn't very flattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 01:00 AM
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Rather be alone then with a subpar gal. Smart man, people would avoid so much crap if they did this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:53 AM
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I was thinking of "hard to be a good mother" more in the sense of nurturing their intellect/self-awareness/value system; do you think the average parent does a good job in that sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:51 AM
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Par for the course in politics too, unfortunately. I think they're using the same manual Side note, the drug ads on American TV are nuts
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:44 AM
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Sure. I only have my own experiences to go on. We're attracted to what we're attracted to, not much we can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:41 AM
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Motherhood by itself isn't the hardest job, but being a good mother is. Some mothers are awful, but most are mediocre. People should think hard about this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:35 AM
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That's terrifying... do the companies push them through without thorough testing to maximize their profits?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:31 AM
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I've dated Asian and south Asian men, as well as middle eastern men, Latin Americans, Europeans of various flavours, and North Americans. They were all great people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:28 AM
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Yeah that's a big one. I think we're making a lot of changes to our environments and products without really understanding the consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:20 AM
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Heavy bone structure in body/face Deeper voice Visible muscle mass Rugged hands Body hair Wide shoulders and chest
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:18 AM
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Chronically elevated levels of cortisol, less stimulation of androgenic hormones by anaerobically demanding activities, oestrogen-mimicking compounds in common products, diets high in low-nutrition foods, high stress lifestyles, shift work, lack of emotional/community support, commonly prescribed medications, casual drug use.... there is no way that these do not impact people's neurological and endocrine systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 09:41 PM
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In the context of an active lifestyle and nutritious food choices, added salt is absolutely fine and even recommended in the absence of preexisting health conditions. Sedentary lifestyle+diet high in processed food=extra salt not so good
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 09:36 PM
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That picture seems like a bit of a caricature... not super attractive on paper but could be depending on his behaviour in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 08:39 PM
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Hormones are very influential and very delicate...A slight change in one can trigger changes in reception/production of others. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that modern products and lifestyles are having significant effects on our endocrine systems. Also noteworthy is that parental endocrine balance impacts fetal development and outcomes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 08:23 PM
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Yep! My tinfoil hat says the modern western lifestyle may stunt androgenic hormone production in adolescent males, leading to less developed secondary sex characteristics and less risk taking behaviour, which leads to less attractive adult men who struggle to actualize themselves in their relations with the opposite gender
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 07:42 PM
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Imagine how much of a head start your children will have in life if you pass on your hard-won knowledge; they will have a huge leg up by virtue of having a father who sees the world as it is without pretense, and who can give them the tools they need to build their own strength of character. Lucky kids! If only everyone had such influences, the world would be a very different place
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 07:30 PM
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I personally do not find men sexually attractive unless they have well developed secondary sexual characteristics. Testosterone is a wonderful thing
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 07:16 PM
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Nothing precedes poltics. They have shaped humanity since its conception
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 06:47 PM
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Yep we are 100% on the same page, I just left out tons of the details you laid out. My perspective on life/struggle and it's aftermath comes partly from growing up in a family that suffered greatly during and after World War II; my parents and the others who made it through are tough as nails and I can only hope that I would find the inner strength to maintain my humanity through that kind of hell. When there is nothing left between man and abyss except for what he carries inside- that's when he…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 06:44 PM
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I don't think I've ever said or implied that RP is surprising. If I did, I misspoke. I think RP and all the other factions are the perfectly predictable result of the US poltical system.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 06:29 PM
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Thanks for posting this. Mind if I save it for future reference?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 06:23 PM
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Of course they're radicalized. "Divide and rule" has been a thing for thousands of years
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 06:09 PM
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Yep. Some people will always be exploit others, and some will always be exploited
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 05:55 PM
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Emotional intimacy and the joy that comes from someone I respect and who knows me inside and out choosing to live their life alongside mine. Female, 30s, no pill
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 05:13 PM
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Love flirting, and very good at it. Single me used to flirt with everything with legs, not-single me flirts with my husband and charms everyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 04:33 PM
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u/gasparddelanuit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 03:17 PM
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Hmm I think at this point we're talking past each other; we seem to agree that both biology and politics plays a role, and that a person acts to maximize their self-interest. If trp has given you the tools to achieve your desires and gotten you closer to the life you want, I have no issue with that and I'm glad you found what works for you. I will watch those documentaries, thanks for the link. And I'd absolutely love to hear chomsky discuss TRP. I'll link you to another comment chain where we d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 03:16 PM
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Yes exactly. The western political+economic interests have created a society where citizens are customers and consumers, and aggression and animosity are selling points and signs of "toughness". Many western-born people have not known large scale struggle, and along the way their perceptions of themselves have been distorted. If they've never been in situations where their inner strength was all they've had to rely on, they don't truly know themselves, and if they don't truly know themselves, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 03:04 PM
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Firstly, congratulations on the successful surgery; that's a victory all by itself. Secondly, I agree with your assessment. RP may have started as a generalized help-a-bro-out forum, but at this point it is breeding a specific type of mindset and the kind of animosity that precludes positive change. In my view, this is by design; conflict resolution can only occur in an environment where both parties are willing to collaborate for mutual benefit, and in this case both trp and its detractors have…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 05:54 AM
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I don’t quite understand what you mean by this or the point that you are making. Could you elaborate? The RP framework is that RPers recognise that there are profound biological differences between men and women that affect preferences, predilections and behaviour If I believe that there are various factors that shape an individual's preferences and behaviours, including but not limited to biology, I cannot subscribe to RP philosophy. There is no self-perpetuated, unified, external framework beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 05:43 AM
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Same for me, when I was single all my male friendships had some level of mutual attraction so when I started my relationship we amicably parted ways. My one close male friend has been basically family for 20 years, and we both prioritize our partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 02:43 AM
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Nice explanation; I think at this point we believe the same things but use different terminology. To me, the strategies you described are Human Nature 101, and applies to everyone regardless of gender. My background includes political philosophy and international relations, plus I'm not American- I believe this stuff is basic, and those who don't know it will always be manipulated by those who do. My problem with trp isn't the core content that you outlined, it's the packaging and mob mentality.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 02:38 AM
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Thanks for taking the time to write that up- I understand RP is useful to many men, and they feel empowered by it. My original comment said that their thought process is shaped and limited by an external framework (we agree that is biology). I personally find this framework to lack sufficient nuance, and believe that there are other frameworks that would result in increased sexual and personal success. However, my opinion on modern feminism/other gender activist movements is exactly the same- th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 02:19 AM
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The .5 is an old friend who moved away and we don't keep in touch, but if shit went down we'd be there for each other. I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 02:04 AM
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Maybe they're pursuing your friendship because they're attracted to you. Could also be behaviour though. Shit gets complicated
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 02:00 AM
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Had lots of male "friends" pre-relationship, have 1.5 male actual friends post-relationship. Dynamic completely changed, everyone knows their partner is the priority. We have each other over for dinners and parties, go on hikes, travel together
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 01:56 AM
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Yeah that seems pretty common. Managing friendships with the opposite sex was always a balancing act for me as well
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 01:51 AM
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Do you intentionally keep yourself from getting too close?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 01:45 AM
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Yes female "Almost unconsciously the ESTP looks for nonverbal, nearly subliminal cues as to what makes her quarry "tick." Once she knows, she waits for just the right time to trump the unsuspecting victim's ace and glory in her conquest. Oddly enough, the ESTP seems to admire and respect anyone who can beat her at her own game." These descriptions are hilariously accurate, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 01:17 AM
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What does ESTP mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 12:51 AM
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Ah okay I gotcha. I wasn't thinking about anyone with a political/IR career when I wrote that; the best men I know are tradesmen
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 12:36 AM
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Does "INTJ" mean socially illiterate?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 12:13 AM
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Are you having a particularly bad day?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 12:07 AM
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I personally know plenty of men who I think represent these qualities. None of them are world renowned.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 11:43 PM
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My takeaway has usually been "humans are shitty"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 10:38 PM
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Ah that's not a bad reason at all
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 10:30 PM
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Why/how does your conscience hold you back from pursuing what you want? I'm just curious about the thought process
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 10:23 PM
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I agree with the general observations you made; I'll try to clarify the parts I disagree with. TRP believes that these distinct tendencies are grounded in biology and the cognitive differences between men and women It’s about overwhelming and relative tendencies. I believe there are neurological/biological differences that are fairly innocuous and neutral, and that the characterization of "masculine" and "feminine" undertaken by trp gives too much weigh to them and not nearly enough to the large…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 10:21 PM
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Fearlessness, athleticism, and a razor sharp intellect
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 09:53 PM
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Well if you don't care about him enough to boot someone else out so he has a spot, you already have 5 preferable ones at the ready...doesn't seem like an issue
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 09:49 PM
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Would you preclude only women based on their sex, or institute other requirements that need to be met to participate in elections? A party in Hungary tossed out the idea of only allowing people who meet a given literacy threshold to vote
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 09:44 PM
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Trp should include selected readings from cultures around the world in their curriculum.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 09:37 PM
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To keep it efficient, you can have 5-6 slots available and when you meet someone you prefer over one of the existing 5, trade out your least favourite and install the new one into the rotation. Constant fresh blood, and over time the sub-par ones get weeded out
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 09:33 PM
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Depending on how you're defining RP, I agree with everything you wrote. Just to see if we're on similar footing, how would you summarize "RP philosophy" as it relates to men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 09:25 PM
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It's a great way for them to avoid dealing with the current reality in Washington, for example. Somehow I don't think this conversation would end well
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 09:20 PM
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I may well be wrong, but my impression is that trp philosophy posits that females are biologically irrational and driven by emotion, while men are biologically rational and objective. Do you think that's a fair characterization?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 08:59 PM
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Could you explain that a bit? What specifically gives you that impression? That's not at all how I think of my worldview, so it seems I have some reflecting to do
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:22 PM
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I'm thinking of success as "know what they want, achieve it, and are pleased with the outcome". It takes a different form for everyone, but some people work hard for something, then realize after they have it that it wasn't worth the time/effort/resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:20 PM
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What do you think my bias is?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:13 PM
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Yeah. Plus their thought processes are shaped by an external framework with specific limits, not their own internal growth or reflection. They toe the party line and only look for answers provided by their chosen paradigm
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:57 PM
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Fair enough, political discussions usually devolve into mud slinging anyways. I was just curious about whether you personally think they're connected or separate
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:52 PM
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I think most people miserably fail at both understanding what their best interests are and at achieving them. Personally the most successful men and women I know had two intelligent and self-aware parents who gave their kid a head start on self respect and improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:51 PM
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Do you think gender and politics are completely separate?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:37 PM
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I never said there's anything wrong with it, just described something that happens
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:35 PM
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Ha in that case I guess I'm confused about what specifically is being debated
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:17 PM
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"What The Health" or "Forks Over Knives" if you can I haven't seen "forks over knives" but "what the health" has several problems, including misrepresenting cellular metabolic processes and heavily featuring medical professionals with vested financial interests in promoting veganism
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:01 PM
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What question do you think encapsulates the gender debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 04:52 PM
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No I don't think we're arguing at all, just looking at things from a different angle. I think the most efficient way to get what I want is to take things on a case by case basis and tailor my approach to take advantage of my target's motivations; I think trp loses that nuance and is far less effective for it, leaving it's adherents trapped in a different but just as limiting ideological box. Trp is a blunt object instead of a scalpel, if that makes sense. It's fine if you're going for "get my di…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 04:09 PM
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I think TRP brings up some nasty things about women, that are unfortunately true, hence The Red Pill. Look at Alpha fucks/beta bucks. Does that not have truth to it? Of course it does. It's my understanding that trp roots the above behaviours in biology, which implies that women have less control over themselves. TRP doesn't hate women for that, it simply accepts that about them, and encourages their cult members, I mean, subscribers, to be the guy women fuck when they're young. But why is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 03:43 PM
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The notion of self-awareness is interesting. Most people, in my experience, lack self awareness. They don't truly know themselves, and that is because most people in western societies haven't been through anything approaching real hard-ship. They've had relative hardships, not real ones. This is very true, and I think it accounts for much of what we see in western society. At some point, people who've never faced such hardship will be forced to do so, and they'll either sink or swim. I can see h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 03:24 PM
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The US system is such that it is politically advantageous to have a fragmented citizenry- ignorant about political strategy, divided on social issues, and susceptible to ideology. This combination is ideal because it allows the authority to act unfettered, without being held accountable by its citizens. In the absence of trp ideology, people who understand that it is their responsibility to improve themselves gravitate to other like minded people of both genders, form interpersonal bonds, and ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 02:54 PM
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It can go either way. The person with less scruples and a better understanding of the other person's interest wins
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 02:27 PM
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Thank you for responding seriously - that's a great explanation and it sounds like trp provided you with a new perspective that allowed you to be more effective within your own life. I completely agree with the importance of taking responsibility for self and constantly striving to improve; I don't think a life of stagnation or internal mediocrity is something worth respecting. Personally, my issue with trp comes not from the kinds of things you took from it, but from the biological determinism.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 01:43 PM
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Angry young people are easy propaganda targets
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 01:15 PM
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Yes! Everyone keeps looking for social or biological explanations when they should be paying attention to the political and economic interests
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 01:15 PM
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Well if the man is able to impose his will in the world around him, isn't that being good at being a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:29 AM
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Would you consider "guy who is able to succeed at life and achieve his personal and relationship/sex goals" to be a suitable mentor, or would there have to be a specific red pill component?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:08 AM
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Ah yeah I should have clarified, I meant a mentor who embodies what they hope to become
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:47 AM
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That's the hope!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:46 AM
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I agree with everything you wrote. I think isolation is a huge part of it, you can see this demonstrably happening in places where divides between genders and "otherism" are more enforced. Absolutely, and these divides are strategically created or exacerbated by interest groups. It's a manufactured state, and ideologues of all flavours don't realize that they are being used as tools. It's both sad and funny to see people "taking the red pill"; it's just exchanging ideological frameworks while st…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:45 AM
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I think most people are "naive prey" in one way or another. Anyone who can't interpret the world around them and develop a strategy to maximize their own interests is at the mercy of those who can.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:29 AM
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Personally I never partook in that dynamic but if both parties are getting what they want out of it I see no problem. The issues usually crop up when someone with more life experience uses their advantage to target and manipulate young, naive "prey"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:19 AM
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I would not be surprised if trp was on the radar of political strategists
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:15 AM
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Do you think there's a difference in outcome between men who have real life support/mentors and men who find those on the Internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:13 AM
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I went to one of those weddings a few months ago. Felt awful for the groom until I realized he chose to be there
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:10 AM
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Yeah. I think it also depends on each person's mental state and what they want out of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:08 AM
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Great way of putting it. While I think it's unfortunate so many people are lacking those experiences and qualities, life is amoral and we're all left to do the best we can..results may vary
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:05 AM
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Many of them probably do...some fall through the cracks. If something doesn't change their perspective, they never realize they've become accustomed to a certain dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 05:02 AM
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Those girls may also be looking for a father figure. I know men who purposely chose young vulnerable women who didn't have supportive dads so they were more easy to mold/control
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 04:52 AM
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Agreed. From my observations, 20-23 yo women usually date men in their late 20s, like 27-28 yo. This was my experience; around those ages I was dating guys ~10 years older. I had many opportunities to date even older men but that was never appealing; flirting with them was fun but I knew such a big difference was a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 04:49 AM
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That's definitely the smart way to do it, I can't imagine how I would react in such a situation....I'd be scared of making her bite harder
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 01:57 AM
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Just out of curiosity, how would you handle that situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 12:40 AM
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Is this really up for debate though? I've never heard anyone say that the average woman could manhandle an average man if he was resisting; there would have to be a huge skill advantage to offset the size/weight difference
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 12:39 AM
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Yep. I love my cousins but they've made some terrible choices when it comes to sex/women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 12:36 AM
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One night stands are only glamorous til you take a legitimately scary person home
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 12:21 AM
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Yea I intended to keep it more anonymous but oh well...its a good story
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 12:17 AM
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I should have just told the whole story originally, which is that she bit his dick and wouldn't let go in order to goad him into hitting her
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 12:07 AM
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It was already sexual but she was looking for "break my face" not "mutually fun violence"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 11:45 PM
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She was a stranger he'd met that night, if that changes your opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 10:49 PM
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Yeah 😨
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 09:49 PM
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Could you give an example? I have no idea how to picture that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 07:10 PM
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Yeah I agree that male creepiness vs female creepiness is different; all I can say is that my cousin was thoroughly creeped out when she refused to leave and he had to fireman's carry her outside and leave her there. Edit: I'd classify "manipulating a situation to purposely put the man in danger from authorities" as creepy behavior. Why the fuck would a normal person do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 07:02 PM
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Yeah. Some people like being a big fish in a small pond. It takes all kinds
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:58 PM
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I don't think anyone who doesn't understand the intricacies of both their domestic political structure and the international political system should be allowed to vote. In fact, I think democracies are inefficient and the ideal government is a benevolent tyranny, with myself as the tyrant.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:55 PM
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Rugged and imposing is a million times more attractive to me than sultry model looks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:51 PM
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I've known women with no social awareness. The top 2 examples are things that have happened to men I know
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:48 PM
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Ok but male "beauty" comes from testosterone, not from delicate model looks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:46 PM
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Refusing to leave=man applying force to make her Instigating a fight during sex with the intent of getting the guy to hit her=potential injuries, police involvement Basically a woman forcing a situation that puts the guys in a potentially "abusive" spot is creepy The social cues thing is just awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:44 PM
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Refusing to leave the morning after Instigating rough sex and wanting to be hit Not understanding or purposely ignoring negative social cues
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:35 PM
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I would support that argument 100%, and throw in my experiences as anecdotal evidence. Unfortunately a "well lived life" isn't the goal for many people, and I think they suffer needlessly because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:32 PM
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Secondary sex charateristics are very important
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:16 PM
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I'm sure he himself will be fine, but letting someone like that into your life is asking for trouble. No one with any sense of self preservation would go near that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:15 PM
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Weak jaw=weak man, or something
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:02 PM
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That guy looks like a disaster-in-waiting
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 06:01 PM
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Denial, denial everywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 05:49 PM
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Well put. I think it's the "be realistic" part that many people have trouble with
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 05:47 PM
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How are you defining looks here? Like, model face or just clearly male secondary sexual charateristics?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 05:46 PM
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To complicate things even more, the importance of each factor varies depending on the predilections of the person being asked
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 05:45 PM
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Ah you mean in terms of physical attraction? I should have clarified that; when I think of someone who respects themselves, that includes taking care of their health/body, and being at least moderately athletic. To me looking after one's appearance is part of being a well-rounded person
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 05:42 PM
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Hahaha ya exactly. It came across as supportive but wise
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 04:07 PM
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All interaction is manipulation. If I bring you a drink, or make your lunch, I'm doing it to elicit a specific reaction from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:26 PM
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Yeah I agree with you and your nuance. The non-glib version would be "many people around the world have to be prepared for incarceration or death if they try to change the status quo, and those who have the luxury of activism without threat of harm are already secure"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:24 PM
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Teenaged self-reflection can be absolutely brutal, but the adult product is worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:21 PM
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Yes well I think for that particular age group you weren't too far off the mark
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:19 PM
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Mmmmm yes, growing old beside diabetes, open sores, and CVD...every man's dream
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:16 PM
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Personally I think almost all interpersonal interactions are manipulation. I only say that out loud when I want to rile people up though
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:13 PM
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How do you feel about these views? Does it change your perception of the men here? To each their own. Personally I think more nuance would benefit these conversations but if the generalizations help guys get what they want that's fine. I also understand that I've never experienced life/dating as a man, and the men in my life are not representative of everyone so I can't know anything about the users here other than what they post. Do you feel you need to put effort into your appearance? Do you f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:06 PM
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I never thought of it as a bad thing, and it wasn't said in the context of "sex is bad don't ever have sex!" It was more like "I want my daughter to have positive sexual experiences with people who won't use/take advantage of her, so I'm going to encourage her to carefully filter who she sleeps with." Maybe should have specified that this conversation took place in a different language, so it's not a perfect translation. Anyways, it worked out great for me and I'll do the same with my own daught…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:55 PM
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Really good way of explaining it, I agree with everything you wrote. If someone answers a question like that with "I don't know", it means they are living their life for themselves and not someone else. Unfortunately most people don't recognize this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:49 PM
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Growing up, I was told "every time you have sex with someone, you're giving them a piece of yourself. Make sure they protect it." That, plus hearing the way my older teammates talked about girls they'd taken home, were enough to keep me uninterested in casual encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:40 PM
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If done right, guys never even know they're being "manipulated".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:38 PM
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Yeah. It's hard to take inflammatory fluff seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:30 PM
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Complaining is a luxury people have when their lives are otherwise secure
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:25 PM
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I haven't read that one. Did you agree with his data and conclusions?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:16 PM
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I believe he used shitty science in a few cases, and failed to distinguish between correlation and causation Edit: hence being required to only publish in peer reviewed journals
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 04:13 AM
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I think it's just what each thinks the other wants to hear, and among that demographic they may be right. Whether that's the best way to achieve their goals, I can't say. I don't really understand the "women feigning weakness" bit; by lying about their age and weight, they're making themselves more desirable to potential suitors. Not sure how that conveys weakness (unless it's physical weakness or a weak character who would stoop to lying)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 04:08 AM
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My takeaway is that everyone lies given sufficient incentive, and some people believe that lying will help them get what they want. All this article seems to say is that insecure people lie about themselves to be more appealing to others, which seems pretty standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 03:41 AM
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That particular author may not produce the most reliable science. I believe he was fired from Psychology Today, was reprimanded by another employer, and has had groups of evolutionary psychologists and other academics publishing papers and articles condemning his conclusions. Edit: for example http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/the-bad-science-of-satoshi-kanazawa
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 03:10 AM
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Yes I have zero regrets, canada is home now
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 11:03 PM
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I'm not sure whether they're oblivious to that or if they revel in it. Maybe both?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 09:26 PM
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Supposedly having a deep voice makes it easier to have attention in a conversation. Yes. Some people purposely adapt their voice/speech patterns to their audience for maximal effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 09:11 PM
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He's going to be angry, disappointed, and often more than a little isolated. So they get angry, and turn to TRP. Incidentally, many radical groups prey on exactly this demographic
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 08:48 PM
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When you get past the superficial stuff, IMO men and women are much more alike than different. Agreed 100%. At the end of the day, we all pursue our best interest, real or perceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 08:47 PM
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Sure :) Disclaimer: I've lived in Canada and visited the States, met many wonderful people in both places, and married a Canadian so I'm by no means trying to paint everyone with the same brush; I just think there are some deep rooted problems in the US, and some people are able to overcome them while others fall victim. Can you go, if you don't mind (I realize I'm just some rando quizzing you now and you're under no obligation to indulge me!), into what you mean by 'low security?' I suspect you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 08:25 PM
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Hungarian We're becoming more "americanized" but we've only had 30 years of that vs the centuries they've had stateside
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 07:29 PM
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Ohhhhh absolutely yes. And given the value of online communities to furthering political propaganda, I wouldn't be at all surprised if trp type communities are or have been targeted by political strategists. These guys think they've found their holy grail of manhood lost, but in reality they're just being used to serve a different agenda. Edit: they're basically wind-up toys; aim 'em and let 'em rip
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 07:11 PM
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My uterus just shriveled up and lodged itself around my esophagus
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 07:06 PM
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An adult sized toddler with better motor control would be terrifying
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:59 PM
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That sounds really reasonable. Maybe if we all just understood that everybody has emotions and needs some moral support it wouldn't be seen as "weakness", and more people would get the compassion and affection they nees
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:56 PM
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Yeah. It's really a tragic combination of factors that culminated in the current state of "western" society- everything you said, plus the puritan work ethic being harnessed as a tool to maximize corporate profits, plus the education system being co-opted by profit-based interests, plus a political structure that benefits from mass social ignorance and division and manipulates it's own citizens for political benefit. Not the ideal environment for the development of well rounded, self-aware, dign…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:48 PM
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Exactly! If all of these various ideologues put as much effort into improving themselves and building character as they put into cultivating their rage and perceived moral superiority, their lives would be completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:36 PM
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Agreed. It's very similar to what I did, and it worked out wonderfully
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:32 PM
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That's really interesting, and contrary to my experiences. Just goes to show how different our respective bubbles are
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:24 PM
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That sounds really shitty. It must suck to in that environment This belief is mostly solidified by the smartest and most educated and accomplished women I've met What were the backgrounds of these women? Did they have the traditional western values?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:10 PM
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Oh yeah I totally missed the "casual" part. I found the good dancer/flirt bit when combined with trust and affection led to good sex, but obviously that's not gonna happen on most one night stands unless the stars align perfectly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:06 PM
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Yep. Honestly I think most people filter for the wrong traits and that's why there's so much misery on both sides of the divide. It's the blind leading the blind
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:03 PM
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Ah my bad, I missed the "casual" part of the above comment. In my experience dating (building affection) with someone who's a good dancer/enjoys flirting leads to good sex down the road, but obviously that requires a stronger connection than a one night emcounter
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:01 PM
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Oh yeah I think it's a huge issue, especially in your country. High stress, high expectations, low security, low value on developing character/intellect/experience of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:50 PM
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Wow that is completely the opposite of my experience Were they one night things or people you'd dated for a while?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:47 PM
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I'm not a woman, but I hear many women complain about men approaching when they're intentionally trying to look bitchy, or intentionally have on headphones to look generally disinterested. Demeanor at very least isn't a dealbreaker for plenty of men, and simply not looking like you're going to bite someone's head off is more than enough for most men. Sure, but a guy who either can't understand or willingly disregards social cues is a bit of a loose cannon anyways, and shouldn't be surprised if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:45 PM
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Ok I see what you're saying. Personally I see this type of solipsism as stemming from low-quality, low-expectation, narrow minded upbringings and experiences, not male/female biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:36 PM
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I completely agree with you. I must have misunderstood a previous comment, I thought you were implying that women who don't want casual sex should still appreciate men who want casual sex with them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:17 PM
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Maybe game was the wrong word- If an attractive woman is at a bar with no makeup and no effort put into her clothes, I'd assume that the deciding factor on how much she gets approached is her demeanor. In my experience: If she's sitting there making no eye contact and giving clear "keep away" body language, there would be minimal approaches. If she's neutral, there may be more approaches but not many. If she's smiling, chatting, and obviously having a good time/seeming approachable, she'll have …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:16 PM
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Haha that's kind of my point, ideally a parent's job is to help their kid turn into the best possible version of themselves. Parents dropping the ball is not due to biology, it's because they're just continuing the cycle they were raised with....which brings us to the whole money-class vs values-class difference
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:08 PM
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if she acts interested Wouldn't this be the female version of "game"? As in, something she expresses by choice, that isn't genetically predetermined?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:02 PM
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Dancing, flirtation, social awareness. There's a look in the eye Edit: these are just clues, not a guarantee
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:59 PM
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How do you think a woman who is not interested in casual sex should perceive or value men who only want to sleep with her casually?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:58 PM
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I'd hold that the parents make the biggest difference. Schooling generally won't overcome inept parenting, especially not if the education system is dysfunctional to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:48 PM
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Maybe it's a matter of perspective, but growing up in a family that lost everything to war left me with the impression that suffering does not spare either sex. They may have had different experiences, but men and women bleed the same and cry the same
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:46 PM
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Yes. Men can way more readily break out of their solipsism. Could you define solipsism here? We should probably be on the same page so we don't talk past each other
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:41 PM
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I had to Google the translation- cheese quark? It sounds more appetizing in hungarian
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:35 PM
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I agree, that's why I think competence is the major issue
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:33 PM
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No, it's making sure the kid grows up in an environment where the parents are showcasing dignity and respect for each other and everyone around them, and hold the children to the same standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:31 PM
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Sure there's always a hierarchy, but the intent behind respecting our "shared humanity" is to prevent those higher on the pole from running roughshod over those lower than them for the sake of convenience/pleasure. We used to keep manipulation hidden behind social trappings to provide plausible deniability, but now people have lost the art of it and are running around being blatant assholes to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:28 PM
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If I were a guy, this would have been my strategy too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:21 PM
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Yeah really. I've heard some absolute horror stories from guys about one night stands. She wouldn't leave the next morning, she bit him during a blow job, weird shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:17 PM
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Yep. No healthy person wants to be in a relationship with someone they can or want to manipulate/control
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:15 PM
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Effort is great, but if I'm running really hard in the wrong direction, I'm still going in the wrong direction...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:11 PM
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Favourite hungarian comfort food: noodles with cheese, sour cream, túró, garlic, bacon on top
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:07 PM
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I've never heard of the Hajnal line before, it's a fascinating read and explains a lot. Do you know of any explanation/analysis of the eastern patterns, or is the focus mostly on the west?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:05 PM
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Regardless of what year it is, people always have the option of holding themselves to non-mainstream standards and seeking out others who do the same
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:57 PM
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The rice vs grain thing is very interesting. While I think in-group bias exists everywhere, I would have attributed much of the US' social division to the combination of an inherently exploitative political/economic structure+the fact that the majority of people born in the US have not known large scale social collapse or struggled to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:55 PM
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It's taught by being surrounded by people who treat each other with dignity and respect, and being held to the same standard as a child
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:38 PM
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Maybe the problem is that people are being taught to value/seek out superficial qualities instead of innate ones
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:37 PM
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So you're saying a lack of compassion is inherent to female biology to a greater extent than in males, and it's not necessarily childhood exposure/parenting/socialization that determines ones worldview and understanding of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:35 PM
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Well they don't know social norms, which comes off as sociopathic. As babies, they also have no way of understanding or communicating their needs, and no way of situating themselves in or influencing the world around them. They are completely reliant on other people's magnanimity. However most children still don't want to hurt others as most quickly understand basic pain and have empathy towards such. But of course there are always those boys that just like to break things and girls that like to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:31 PM
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That's just strange. If I know my shit, I'd know when someone else is wrong, and I wouldn't defer to them unless their mistake benefits me in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:27 PM
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They are the result of male and female brain biases and masculine and feminine thinking biases. Interesting theory. I would have guessed they're the result of the quirks of the English language and the need to qualify the intended meaning. Shared humanity is irrelevant if you have admiration fear based respect for them. Is this possible without a strict hierarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:24 PM
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Of course there are, but those people's idea of "value" is other's idea of "trash". To each their own right
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:17 PM
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I get that we have completely different experiences and perceptions. If I were around women who thought random men were about to rape them, I'd be horrified too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:16 PM
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I'd rather just avoid strangers who doesn't extend courtesy and dignified behaviour to those around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:15 PM
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I take the opposite view- to me, babies/children are basically miniature sociopaths and need the guidance of the adults around them to grow into productive and mentally stable adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:12 PM
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Would "feels over reals" apply here?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:09 PM
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Unless it manifests in some visible way, how would we know there's a bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:07 PM
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If she treats women worse than men, then it's okay, because it balances out everyone else treating women better and men worse, as long as she doesn't wanna like kill them or something To me, that would be a warning sign that she probably has other weird prejudices and makes unfounded generalizations about groups, which isn't conducive to building or maintaining healthy interpersonal relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:06 PM
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Seems like an educational failure
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:00 PM
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people should primarily make personal decisions like working on their looks for themselves, not others. So that's what I respect most. Agreed. I also respect people who make decisions for the well being of their close friends/family/spouses, in those cases where the other party has already proven to be a positive life influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:57 PM
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Do you think lack of compassion as an adult is the result of inadequate socialization/parenting during childhood?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:55 PM
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Western society seems to produce lots of narrow-minded groups who aren't open to the experiences and perspectives of the people around them. I get a very US vs THEM vibe
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:53 PM
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If their value negates the consequences of that shitty behavior, its a moot point. In my opinion, their shitty behaviour negates their value. If I ignore that giant red flag and engage with them, that's on me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:51 PM
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What's weird is when your technical female superior, thinking work relationships here, submits and defers to you too That's just perceived competence. In situations where a supervisor who has the same specialty "submits" to their employee, I'd probably say they're not qualified for the job in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:46 PM
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Why the need to attach genders to this concept? Shouldn't everyone be able to respect others both on the basis of shared humanity as well as because of what/who they are as an individual?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:41 PM
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Oh yeah people definitely use that for "status", but the fact that they have to resort to that kind of behaviour/think that makes them look good means they're a shitty person to begin with, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:23 PM
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How she treats other men is how she'll treat me in the future when she doesn't get her tingly limerence feelings anymore Do you care about how she treats men specifically, or how she treats people? would someone who's nasty to other women but nice to other men pass the threshold, or is only the "men" part important?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:07 PM
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They really should have separate words for this in english. It used to confuse me all the time when I was learning.. "But why does she want people to respect her if she hasn't DONE anything worth respecting??"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:04 PM
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it leaves like 80% of guys being treated like crap and their motivations assumed to be negative by default I completely agree that everyone should be treated in a dignified manner; by demeaning/degrading another person, especially someone who has been decent to me, I'm telling the world I'm not someone worth being around anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:01 PM
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This whole perspective is weird and non-Western. Where do you think it originates from? Is there a cultural/social precedent or is this the product of sub-par education/values/socialization?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:54 PM
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How are you defining respect? Are you using it to mean "basic human decency that should apply to everyone" or "admiration for specific traits/skills that not everyone has"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:50 PM
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I agree. Sex=you have something I want, I have something you want, and neither of us have a better option available
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:48 AM
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"It's appropriate to use the term alpha in an artificial pack". If RP=artificial pack, I can see how this would apply
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:32 AM
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I'm very interested in this response
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:51 AM
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That's my interpretation too. I'm just curious about how RP perceives "character"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:48 AM
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Eeeee yeah that's not appealing in any sense. I think a big part of the problem is people have all these feelings of anger and dissatisfaction but don't know how to analyse them or express them productively
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:27 AM
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To be honest I'm not too knowledgeable on the various feminist/separatist whatever/going wherever factions- I have the luxury of classifying them as counterproductive, myopic ideologues and leaving it at that. In regards to his comment on WGTOW, my focus was on without the activism or trying to influence society part(cause fuck society, WGTOW does what she wants for her, not society). I don't know anyone who identifies with one of these groups in real life, so Internet opinions are all I have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:17 AM
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Yep either they're more common or just more open about it... to my knowledge, none of my friends/family have had psychiatric care. Now that I think about it, people here self medicate quite a bit so maybe if they were in the US they'd be taking medication. I guess it's just not something that's on my radar
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:49 AM
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Maybe I misread the comment, I thought he said they're just women doing their thing without trying to be activists or change society. To me someone pursuing their interests without bothering others seems well-adjusted; I do not think that anyone who aligns themselves with any ideology is particularly well-adjusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:45 AM
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Yeah society is in a confused place right now. A normal healthy girl wants to be a mother and find a husband and serve society through her family and a little work. Do you mean this is what society says is normal, or this is what well-adjusted women/WGTOW want?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:24 AM
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Ah I think your WGTOW and my well adjusted are about the same
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:10 AM
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Wow I really do live in a bubble. Never seen pills like that passed around
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:48 AM
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I'd consider that to be a different scenario, and it would take some crazy shit for me to leave my husband if he became mentally ill. However, I completely understand not wanting to enter into a relationship with someone who has a known illness that could significantly impact my life in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:41 AM
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Thanks for explaining. What I don't like about using a term like "alpha", is it inevitably gets conflated with categorizing people. And these categorizations become useless over time. This is what I have trouble with too. My brain reads "alpha" as "ideal man", which for me is someone who is well rounded; strong of character, at ease in a variety of social situations, curious about the world around him, self aware, respects himself and others who earn it, and pursues personal growth. I haven't be…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:38 AM
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Sorry I'm not sure what differentiates a WGHOW from other well adjusted women. As you've probably guessed, I'm not great with categories
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:27 AM
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Virtually every white urban dwelling person I know has taken some sort of psychiatric medication This absolutely blows my mind. I was about to say I don't know anyone who's taken such medication but then I realized I probably wouldn't know either way, and now I'm even more mindblown
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:17 AM
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Yeah the definition need to be addressed
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:15 AM
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Not everyone is willing to take on someone else's challenges like that. I think it's better to not get involved in the first place than to leave once it gets tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:13 AM
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"I am naturally superior to women by virtue of being male, but I also feel the need to be superior to other men so I am Alpha, which I am because I am following instructions I found on the Internet."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:07 AM
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Which is basically what Black Dragon is selling a guide to for here. Very clever, perfect market for it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:04 AM
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What other words would you use to describe "alpha"? Maybe respected, or indomitable?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:01 AM
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Would you equate "alpha" to "strong character/will"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 11:58 PM
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Do you think one can move up/down between "leagues"? If you have a string of new partners who are hotter than your old ones but you have changed at all, has your league changed? Or is some form of change necessary to get the more attractive partners in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 11:57 PM
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Exactly the same, just opposite. They couldn't imagine being in a relationship with someone who wants to stay in bed for 3 days. Different brain
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 11:52 PM
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Your current gf isn't normal/healthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 11:50 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 11:48 PM
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Ha I'm in the same boat. He's just a better human being than me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 11:47 PM
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Never had any bad or abusive experiences, just the occasional weirdness that's pretty standard for kids trying to figure out dating and socializing. My best friend ends up dating people who are clearly unstable and unreliable, but she always insists in seeing the best in people so I just let her do her thing and try to prod her into realizing why things aren't working.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 04:09 PM
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Me neither. I don't know the family well but from what I gather they have a lot of money and not much else. The parents of the bride gave her a $2000 US purse as a wedding gift, and nothing for the groom. Later we found out he'd been having last minute second thoughts...shoulda run while he had the chance. They have kids now so it's too late
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 04:01 PM
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I think a lot of people have trouble adapting to new situations, especially if they don't have a lot of social experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 03:22 PM
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That is not a good sign I went to a wedding once where the father of the bride ended his speech with "she's your problem now". Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 03:08 PM
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Fits perfectly in this thread though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 03:07 PM
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Sorry I totally pictured a stereotypical trp type dude. I understand what you mean now, and non-trp compliments are lovely to both give a receive
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 04:11 AM
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Yeah that's fair. It really depends on where we are, plus body language/tone of voice/people around us/a host of other factors. I was imagining it as a trp kind of night life setting, where guys who are trying to get laid approach girls to try their luck. There is way more nuance to life than that, and getting a genuine "you're pretty" where the guy isn't obviously saying it to get laid/get something in return can absolutely make my day.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 03:33 AM
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Ok. What's your perspective? I only have my experience to go off, so would you share your experience/thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 03:09 AM
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Why "of course"? Don't you think complimenting someone on their looks right off the bat is a little redundant? If I was out at a bar and a guy came over to me, it was a given that he thought i was attractive, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 02:57 AM
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I totally get where you're coming from, and I agree with a lot of it; my issue is that judging by what I've seen in the main sub, the majority of RP disciples are so far into the ideology they have no interest in placing it in a social/societal context, or examining it through a political lens. I completely agree with the intersection with politics; but I also firmly believe that part (not all!) of the "difference" between genders, and the "gender war", has grown out of political constructs whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 01:54 AM
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I understand that they find something about it attractive, I just have no idea what or why
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 01:45 AM
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I can see what you're saying, and in that scenario you're right. I'd probably still argue that a hot woman who is socially reclusive to the extent that she never gets told she's hot (and never realizes it when looking in a mirror) could be socially stunted. In my experience, attractive women know exactly what they look like. The smart ones realize it's a genetic accident, and the dumb ones think it makes them superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 01:33 AM
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It's a nasty, nasty situation, and I do not envy you for having to live with it. gonna take some mature getting-over-it on both sides to bury the hatchet and do what's right. This is why the whole RP/Feminism/mra thing seems so pointless to me- in the face of large scale politically driven ideological factions, it's just one more inflamed division in an already fragmented society.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 01:28 AM
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Yeah I can't see that going over well. I really can't make sense of what those women think they get out of that series, or why they went so crazy for kids young enough to be their children. And didn't that whole 50 shades deal start as a twilight rip off? What the hell guys
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 01:17 AM
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I don't remember that, fortunately. I've visited the US but never lived there, and the twilight mania wasn't as noticeable in Hungary. At least I didn't see it Sounds like grounds for divorce to me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 01:07 AM
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It doesn't reflect well on modern society, that's for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 12:55 AM
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That shit is creepy no matter who's doing it. If someone does that in real life, it's time to run
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 12:24 AM
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What was the difference in appearance between the guys who were creepy and the guys who weren't?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 12:22 AM
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That's very true, if I'm comfortable I have very little reason to call for change
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 12:18 AM
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Yeah that's the whole game. Too bad more people don't realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 11:54 PM
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Either he doesn't think he's worth enough to get my attention or interest without bribery, or he sees me as something up for sale. Neither is a good look
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 11:53 PM
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What do you mean by our bias? That it's unrealistic to expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 10:01 PM
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Whatever happens, it's going to be an interesting few decades in the US and around the world. Do you see Americans coming together or being further divided? From the outside, it seems like there are a bunch of groups at odds with each other, and very little common ground. Of course that could just be because the small but vocal minorities drown out the majority, with a bit of the horseshoe theory effect thrown in for good measure
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 10:00 PM
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Can you buy that in bulk?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 09:51 PM
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It's on both partners to keep improving themselves and help each other do so as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 09:50 PM
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Fair enough. Maybe if I'd grown up in the US I'd think the same way. To me, community is important as a way for the individual to feel connected to others around them, and for mutual benefit and protection. A national political structure is not something that can be relied upon, as two world wars, soviet occupation, and rampant corruption have shown us.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 09:47 PM
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