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From my mother's story: My father bugged her for a date, she gave in, she got knocked up with me shortly after and were forced into a marriage. From what I know about my mother now, she threw herself at my father. Got knocked up intentionally to trap my father with pregnancy. She was in her late 30s, and wanted to have a nuclear family to feel "complete". They divorced two years later. I haven't spoken to either of them in years. My mother treated me like the reason her plan for a perfect marria…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 11:00 AM
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I agree with this. The whole idea that AI girlfriends are going to make women obsolete is absurd. But for porn, it totally could. You see a video that scratches some kink of yours, and you get AI to generate a new video of the same kink. Even worse is seeing a girl you like, and getting them to generate porn of them. I imagine there will be some pretty strict laws for people signing over their image to be used in AI, for this reason above all others.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 04:15 AM
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It's good to see some comments that actually give the correct answer. Looks like they've been downvoted to the bottom though. Spot on, straight to the point. Nothing else needs to be said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 04:36 AM
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The reason it gets complained about is because it comes off an insensitive. Venting is often helpful. It's done because there is no solution to the problem, or the solution is going to take a frustrating amount of time. So you vent to get a quick feeling of relief. If someone cuts off your venting with a solution, it sounds like they're saying "solve your problem yourself so I don't have to hear about it". It can be arrogant, because it can sound like they're patting themselves on the back for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 11:00 AM
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I get that's the claim, and it makes sense in some cases. But also, not really. Women are perfectly okay intimately touching and complimenting those other guys. Even guys they barely know. But not the "he doesn't count" guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:27 AM
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With both men and women, but yes even with other men. It's essentially social anxiety, but even mild social anxieties can cause stress. Like we just can't chill out and go with the flow. That makes social activities work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:20 AM
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Time, money. Going out is expensive, getting into hobbies is expensive, and it all takes time. When we're under a lot of stress, time feels like something we have to carefully ration out. Likewise, socialising for men can feel stressful. Which is probably why a lot of us seemingly contradict that mindset by wasting hours a day in online spaces, where that stress is alleviated. It seems like women find socialising so much funner and easier. Like it's not a stress source, it's a stress relief. Whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:44 AM
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It's both. More men are lonely and friendless, but that friendlessness also makes it near impossible to find a girlfriend. As to why there's such a difference between the sexes, I don't know. Women just make friends with each other so much easier. Women are just more emotionally attached to other women, so they will take the time to care for them. Whereas men are more distant and practical. So even if they like another guy, spending time with them is just too low a priority. Men are also pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 01:46 AM
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I'm sure from reading a lot of these reports that a lot of people live in places where socialising is treated very differently. I live in a medium sized city, which tends to be fairly quiet except on Fridays and Saturdays. People are very closed off to socialising with strangers. No one talks at gyms. Even getting a "Hey" back is hard. There are a lot of weirdos and ferrals around, so people have their guards up in bars. I've joined clubs, but they're also kind of anti-social. You can get some s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 04:02 AM
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What are you talking about? I responded to your claim that the issue is one side can more easily kill the other, and did not in any way vilify or insult you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 07:33 AM
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We all know it doesn't work like that. We all know getting killed isn't the concern in abusive relationships. It can happen, but that's not what we're worried about in most cases. We're worried about our mental and physical health and well-being that comes with being with an abusive partner. This is even worse when you realise that most actual physical abusers show a lot of restraint, and very intentionally. They're careful to hit in ways never to leave cuts and bruises, to never leave a mark th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 07:20 AM
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We can all agree this double standard is downright disgusting. We all know that if someone told a woman who was abused she should run faster, they would be cancelled quicker than I can type this comment. But the question of is this representative of society? Well, let's put it this way. Dr. Phil is a television show, and like any show they put on what the audience wants to hear. Like most so called reality shows, it is scripted, and scripts are passed through comittees to see if they appeal to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 06:57 AM
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It's not always easy to describe over text, but the difference between being first choice and Nth choice is obvious when you're in the middle of it. If you're her first choice, she wants to be with you, and it shows. She picks you to talk to in a crowded room. She jumps at the chance to meet up, and tries to make room for you in her schedule. She kisses you, touches you, and moves close to you like she can't get enough of you. When you're here second or worse choice, she keeps her distance, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:54 AM
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You hear this a lot around here. Factually, it's true. Women don't need men financially. But they sure as hell don't act like this is the case. There was a thread here where women were asked if they would date an older guy who works retail or something. I don't need to tell you what the overwhelming majority answer was.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 04:19 AM
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Porn ads have always been weird. Hot singles in your area, jerkmate, Tinder bots. Even though it seems stupid to most people, there's someone depraved, horny, and stupid enough to give them money. I guess this is another attempt to exploit that niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 01:51 PM
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I agree for the most part. But there is survivorship bias here. You know the ones that make it easy for you, because they're the ones that something happens with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 11:19 PM
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Why single out Facebook as being the okay social media? There's just as much attention whoring and narcissism there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 11:12 PM
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Can we add "ban social media" to this list? Since we have other draconian or biology altering measures, it seems like an equally fair one. If people had to go outside to talk to people in real life to make and maintain friendships. If the only attention and validation women got was in real life. If people didn't have a skewed idea of what "normal" achievements are. That would make a huge difference, probably more so than banning porn and fixing dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:33 PM
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Social skills help a lot. No question of it. I started off being completely weird, nervous, and autistically socially awkward. But now, I'm much better at holding myself, talking, much more confident, more normal. But, it hasn't helped as much as you'd think. It certainly helps, I'd probably do worse without social skills. But, oddly enough I found socialising a lot easier back then when I was weird and awkward. Despite everything, you superficial traits are more important. The guys that fail so…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:23 AM
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Because if it was enjoyable, it would not be a problem. Who really doesn't have anything more interesting, relaxing or fun to do than some damn chores?! Then why don't you do those things instead? That's the royal "you", by the way, I have no idea if you actually do or don't obsess over housework this way. Clearly if you choose to do housework over something cool, then you value that housework more than those other things. Now it's understandable that at some point housework is more important. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 09:37 AM
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Okay, that's one step filled. But you're still missing a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 05:26 AM
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Kinda missed a few steps there. Care to elaborate on why a 200 year old historical movement caused the societal problems we have now?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 05:18 AM
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According to this study the amount of couples that met at bars and online have gone up, but met through friends, work, school, and family have gone down. Granted, this only mentions people that became couples, not casual hook ups. It also doesn't say anything about how open women were to being approached. I definitely think social media has a huge effect. I remember seeing women light up when someone spoke to them at bars, or look around and give off smiles and signals of interest. But now, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:48 AM
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Some people experience life at different stages. They don't get to go wild at a young age, they bloom late. When you get into relationship with someone who's had all that stuff, and then decides they're going to "settle down", then they're putting their priorities over yours. We all know relationships are about compromise, that means the compromise can't just come from one party. I feel that when this gets brought up, it's when the timing of this "I'm not that person anymore" is very suspicious.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 11:30 PM
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Has it ever been valuable? Have you ever heard girls talking about how good a guy's grades are while swooning? Despite being a species that thrived on intelligence, attraction is almost entirely built on hunter gatherer traits. Leadership, physical prowess, height. Somehow, attraction to intelligence never evolved. Or worse, intelligence can be a turn off. I can only speculate as to why. Maybe it was considered a sign of weakness. "Eww, Grug need shiney rock on spear. That mean Grug bad hunter."…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 03:24 AM
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In this generation, pretty much everyone goes to university. Smart, dumb, average, it doesn't matter. They turn up, grind through enough of the work that they can get their degree. Yet all without having any applicable knowledge or interest in their field.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 03:01 AM
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Maybe, but then how do you think people like your uncle would get along if they were somewhere like a rough country town? Even around here, university STEM types have to be relatively normal to get by. I studied STEM, and there were a few really weird ones. They didn't do well, to say the least. You spend one day being weird and outgoing here, and you will wish you kept a low profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:04 AM
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Socialising isn't like a video game where you level up your skills, go on the right quests, and eventually defeat the final boss. Whatever that may mean in that analogy. You can try as hard as you can at socialising, but if you have that factor that makes you "weird", then it's not going to go anywhere. Or worse, you will ruin your reputation and get bullied for it. If the effort causes more harm, and doesn't give you anything to show for it, then why would you try? Doesn't it make more sense fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:52 AM
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Honestly, this sounds so absurdly over the top that I'm pretty sure it's fake. I've known my share of weird guys that for whatever reason didn't have the social anxiety that often comes along with it. And they didn't do well socially. As in, people would literally run to the other side of the building to avoid talking to them, and then make fun of them behind their back. Which makes sense. Being awkward and weird is bad, but at least if you're shy you keep it on a low profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:02 AM
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I definitely found apps way easier than real life. First there's quantity, and ability to get more out of a specific niche. In real life you never know if they're being friendly or flirty, until you take that leap of faith. But there you know everyone's looking to date. There's also more of an etiquette with these dates, so it's easier to know if both of you are on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:42 AM
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I don't disagree, but then it changes the question from "what causes guys to be single" to "what causes them to be socially isolated". Of course in some cases the issue might be obvious. But in the cases of those that actually have tried, and failed to turn their failure around, it's not so obvious. I know this might be obvious from the outside. A neurotypical might be able to line up a bunch of lonely guys and pick out exactly what's wrong with them. But from the inside, it's not so obvious. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 07:33 AM
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Men don't struggle in dating because they're average. Even below average men usually do okay. Those that do struggle can be everything from really unattractive, to totally normal looking, to kinda attractive. The reason is more likely they're missing some piece of the puzzle that makes others click with women with so much apparent ease. But this X factor is so hard to specifically diagnose, and this huge problem with an unknown solution is what causes all this anger in lonely males.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 11:47 PM
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Since when did morality and abuse start at "causing serious physical harm"? We all know it doesn't. We all know there is a whole host of horrible things you can do to a person verbally, financially, and socially. We know there is a host of laws aimed at preventing these things. But when it comes to female on male abuse, physical harm is all that's considered. Or at least, that's what the excuse is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:37 PM
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I was abused and manipulated by my first girlfriend. To make sense of the craziness, I looked at other abused men stories, especially relating to BPD. The most common trait of these abused men are being eager to please. They want to make women happy, at the expense of their own happiness. So they're easier to manipulate and they take blame more than they should. Often they also have a past of abusive parents. So they have a poor reference for how relationships are supposed to be, and are used to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 10:28 PM
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Downsides: Most people have long term relationships, have settled down, and a sizeable chunk are married with kids. Your dating pool is smaller. Less people are down for casual fun, and usually expect long term commitment. Finding a woman without kids is hard. A frustrating number of partners who want to settle down and have kids ASAP. You will be filtered out of most age ranges of girls in their 20s. Most women are letting themselves go, and you will find you have to do a lot of filtering. Upsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:45 PM
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Thank you for sharing your story. I agree with your sentiments, a lot. The whole question of 'What am I doing wrong?' And 'Why am I the odd one out?' Comes up a lot, and I really have no answer. I'm also awkward sometimes, and struggle with over and undersharing. It comes with the autism. But at the same time, it doesn't seem like it should be the cause of being totally socially excluded in ways that I have been. Especially when, like I said, they seem to like me just fine in other scenarios. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:09 AM
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A lot of people say that men need to be more pro-active in developing these communities. And I agree. But the problem is, you, as an individual, can't change how other men act. You can want to make friends, try to organise things, go to clubs, go to events. But if no one else wants to meet you on that effort to socialise, then you get nowhere. I don't know if you have ever experienced this, but this is what socialising as a lonely man is like: You organise a thing, everyone comes, and says they …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:25 AM
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This is as issue that has been noticed for any online space, even as far back as online forums. Back in yonder days before internet, you made your friends based on proximity. If you lived nearby, worked nearby, that was your pool of friends. You didn't have the luxury of being picky. Now you can go online and select groups based solely on specific tastes in music, politics, personality disorders. You can be as petty as you like. Ever wonder why your grandparents can make friends with everyone on…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 12:19 AM
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Hmmm, didn't expect a culinary debate to be relevant to this sub. Purchasing something isn't impressive. Anyone can spend money. Being able to cook, and cook well, is a talent. That talent comes from you, and makes you special. She can get the cooking you spend money on without you. But she can't get your cooking elsewhere. There's a reason that women see guys that cook, the way men see women that play video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:22 AM
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This seems like a question of economics more than specifically about dating. You might as well just ask if a better economy would make a better dating and social market. Which it would, and globalisation does contribute to that. But this seems like a question for an economics subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 11:00 PM
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I was going to say luck probably plays more into it, than anything else. If you're an awkward personality you can't just meet someone new and guarantee you'll get along, like neurotypicals can. It's a given that autistic and nerdy type women are the minority. They also tend to be one of the few girls in their social circle of sausage, so you're competing against every other desperate awkward guy who dreams of having her. And that's assuming she also likes similarly awkward guys, and isn't lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:25 PM
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If I invoke evo-psych on this, laughing is a signal for a lack of danger. If you can laugh, and make people laugh, it means everyone is more relaxed and trustworthy. Now in terms of our modern, western world, we're also easily bored and easily distracted. So if you're not constantly entertaining people, you turn them off.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 11:30 PM
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Okay, you're just going off on some random tangents. Obviously you have some pretty motivated reasoning here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:23 PM
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Have you ever had long periods without friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:44 PM
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I don't know why you struggle to see the difference. Honestly it sounds like you're just trying to redefine loneliness to minimise the problems with actually lonely people. If you had ever actually gone through long periods of no friends or no social interaction, then you would see the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:36 PM
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If you think talking to people at a store is the same as having friends, then that's a level of social ignorance that can't be fixed by a random redditor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:27 PM
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The people you talk to at the store aren't friends, fake or otherwise...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:42 PM
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If you feel lonely because you actually are alone, you have a rational reason to be lonely and a practical problem that can be addressed. If there is a large and growing number of people with this issue, then clearly there is something systematically wrong and it should be addressed. If you feel lonely without rational reason. Well, that's still an issue, and can perhaps be addressed. But it's a completely different issue, and most likely a personal issue that needs to be addressed on a personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:41 PM
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You think being able to go outside and talk to people, at stores or whatever, makes you not lonely? Jesus, talk about terrible perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:24 PM
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Both of these links are abstracts. The first concludes that loneliness is equal for men and women. The second shows a slightly higher loneliness in women. However, I was curious in how they are measuring loneliness. They said they measure it by the UCLA Loneliness scale. This is a link to that scale: https://fetzer.org/sites/default/files/images/stories/pdf/selfmeasures/Self_Measures_for_Loneliness_and_Interpersonal_Problems_UCLA_LONELINESS.pdf The actual measurement is 20 self reported question…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:47 AM
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Lol, you should read the thread for women's icks. To be fair, it's not the same people with the same icks. I get the impression that "icks" aren't genuine unattractive traits. More like "I met one unattractive person that had this trait". Essentially, treating dating as a superstition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:25 PM
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Probably wouldn't care if it was something she actually needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:42 PM
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Cool?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:51 AM
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Potentially. But there is a lot of fake looking surgery out there. Somehow it became trendy for women to look like their lips are swelling from a food allergy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:37 AM
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Any fake cosmetic surgery. Lip filler, butt lifts, fake eyelashes, fake tits. Bitchyness. 'I'm better than you" attitude. Self diagnosed mental illnesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:23 AM
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Most decently attractive girls are in relationships with average guys. They want a normal, nice, safe guy, with no rough edges, that they can introduce to all their friends. They will lock him down early, and stay in that relationship for years. The reason so many decent guys can't get relationships isn't because they're not Chads, though that would help. It's because they give off a somehow "not normal" vibe, and she fears it will harm her reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:02 PM
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I'm pretty sure all those guys are either trolling, or have some exhibitionist fettish.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:30 AM
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There's a kink for everything. Some men will be 100% into someone being a porn star. But it absolutely kills your reputation. If you keep it hidden, and he finds out, 100 to 1 he's out the door that night. Your few scenes for a quick buck are on the internet forever. Your kids' school mates will be finding that and passing it around. Even if you don't show your face, people can recognise homes and bits of furniture.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:39 AM
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It doesn't take much self awareness to see that others had different lives, and access to different privileges than you did. If you can't acknowledge that when you are debating someone, then that's on you. So much of this sub isn't just in denial of other's lack of privilege, but is outright offended by it. They get hostile when they are told about other's struggles. "How dare you say you were taught these things growing up!" "How dare you say you were abused!" "How dare you say your social envi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:59 AM
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Watching people do things on the internet has destroyed our self esteem, and our ability to be impressed. Oh you do thing? Here's a guy doing that thing a hundred times better than you ever will, and makes ten times what you do at an actual job!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:12 AM
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I blame draining work conditions more than technology. Most people want to do more things and live fuller lives. But they're so exhausted after work that all they want to do is collapse into a couch and swipe on their phone. If we had a 4 day work week, social engagement would go up way higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:06 AM
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Nearly all the women on Female Dating Strategy are on the older side. I don't see any wisdom from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 11:32 PM
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It can happen. It has happened to me maybe three times over many many years? Unless you're happy with long dry spells, it's not something that can be relied on. For the most part, if you don't go out and approach you will just be ignored. The cool silent loner archetype doesn't work in real life. There's a lot of value in relaxing your pursuit, and focusing on living your life. Being relaxed is going to make you a lot more approachable than someone who appears desperate and stressed. But at some…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 11:26 PM
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I respond to that with an eh...maybe? I get it, women are against being seen as "easy". I get that part of that is feeling like it will put off other suitors. But in reality, men don't really care as long as she gives the same treatment to him. Really it's just their opinions of their self image. But I also know there are ways of women "approaching", that doesn't mean straight up asking someone out. Even just being close to someone, being chatty, making it clear that you're okay to talk to someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:23 AM
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I get that. Women don't approach, so if a woman only gets approached by gross men, then those are her only options. But then the question is, at what point, if any, do women change that? How many guys do they have to go through that watch porn on their first dates, and leave skid marks on their sheets, before they decide this passive approach isn't working?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:16 AM
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I agree. When you hear about these dating horror stories, I think two things: "Where do you even find these people?", and "Why do clean guys struggle when that is what we're competing with?" There's obviously something off-putting about these good men, and something appealing about the rest. But for whatever reason, women don't want to address that. So they pretend the problem is an overall lack of good men, instead of the good men being unappealing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:01 AM
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There seems to be a number or sides to this. One side demands a societal overhaul that is straight up dictatorial, in order for them to get laid. This is the minority, but they are there. One side has a strict darwinistic, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, if you fail you get left behind mentality. One side is in denial that they have privilege, and doesn't like the implication that society is unfairly in their favour. One side claims to not see it as a problem if it only effects the minority…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 12:07 AM
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I explained it all, quite thoroughly. Go back up and read it if you want a full explanation. The algorithms apps use would all have this ability to influence match numbers, for user engagement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:17 AM
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When they show your profile to others, they need to make sure they don't show it to good matches, but they need to make sure they don't only show it to bad matches. How is that possible without finely tuned understanding of what every individual user is attracted to? I already explained that. A competing grocery store can lower their prices too. A competing dating app can't replicate an equally successful algorithm. All major apps use algorithms already. I know this ain't common knowledge, but y…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:59 AM
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How else will they stay in the sweet spot of hope and frustration? By showing and hiding your profile, didn't you read? Product prices are not proprietary intellectual property. Competing businesses cannot simply copy your algorithm. Don't see what that has to do with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:52 AM
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Who says they have to modulate attraction? They just have to show or hide your account to keep your matches at the amount they want. And there's also the fact that if it was that good, they could just set it to find good matches and drive every other app out of business overnight. If a food retailer lowered their prices to pre-Covid levels, they would drive others out of business overnight. Yet they don't, because business competition doesn't work like it used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:46 AM
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I agree that these algorithms don't know who you would end up with, and keep you from those people. But they do know how drive user engagement, and they are heavily motivated to do so. These companies have whole departments who's entire job is to work out how to keep people clicking, by manipulating through addiction psychology. They can figure out that people will leave the apps when they find someone, and also when they perceive they'll never find anyone. They want people to be in that sweet s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:33 AM
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I'm going to give a positive comment on my Bumble experience. Followed by a negative one. I tried Bumble on the off chance that it would finally end my lonely streak. I figured the worst that could happen is I don't get matches. So I threw together a profile, fired it up and...wow, I had matches. I'm attractive enough. Not a Chad by any means. But I work out, groom well, dress well. I also have a lot of weird but uniquely interesting things about me. I talked to a handful of girls, got a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:20 PM
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Men notice loud and flirty girls who are always hollering for attention. Men notice quiet and shy girls who keep to themselves. Men notice women. All women, of even slightly decent attractiveness. You know what testosterone does to a man? You physically cannot not notice a woman, even a not particularly attractive one. You step into a room, and within less than a minute you've sussed out every woman there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 10:40 PM
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See this is something new in dating, and I don't know how this idea came about. The idea that not only are men an extreme danger to women, but that awkward and ugly guys are the majority of this danger. It's obvious why women don't like getting approached. It's awkward, it puts a burden on you to reject someone, it tests the limits of your politeness. Danger is part of it, but I think women know no man is going to rape them in the middle of a coffee shop. It seems like women escalated this awkwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 12:23 PM
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In my general observation, if she calls him her boyfriend she's in love. If she calls him her partner, she's bored and in it for the convenience. It's a term meant to minimise the intimacy. There's a reason the term "partner" is chosen, instead of spouse, or significant other. There's a reason we didn't invent gender neutral relationship terms that includes love, intimacy, and desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 01:56 AM
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When men are together without women, everything's a lot more relaxed and friendly. As soon as a woman is present, everything changes. Men start vying for her attention. Everything gets competitive, friends put each other down, and try to talk themselves up. However, this is usually a lot better when there are multiple women present. Which makes sense that people compete more over things that are scarce. It's particularly bad when one attention seeking woman tries to set themselves up to be the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:31 AM
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That is true. It's not even as far as full blown social media hate mobs. Even the fact that everyone's constantly connected on social media means gossip spreads like wildfire. Everyone can be in on a little secret that you don't know, when you don't even know you did anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 01:29 AM
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Have you ever actually seen what happens when men reach out to other men to hang out? You reach out, they seem keen to hang out. You can't find a specific time soon you're both free. They say they'll get back to you. They never speak to you again. How many times can you do that before you just say "fuck it" to trying to meet people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 12:58 AM
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Getting the man to talk about his past is a classic shit test. Fell for it a couple of times, and it always gets used against you. Never again.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 12:18 AM
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A handful seem reasonable, but most seem petty or even kinda crazy. A lot of these "dating rules" read like an attempt at a dating life hack: Tired of going on bad dates? do this one weird trick to never have a bad date again! I'd be interested to see if these women with their lengthy lists of red flags, also have any green flags. All of these dating rules are about men they avoid. Are there any opinions that are "I don't mind if he doesn't have his life together as long as he's making a proper …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 12:12 AM
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It's funny you say that, when so many people say they don't want to make friends at work, because of "mah drama". Like I said, you'll likely find yourself in places where people just don't socialise, and that's where you pivot somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:26 PM
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The thing is, it can be really hard to build a social circle if you start from zero. I had to start from zero friends. And it was, and still is hard. Here's what I found through my struggles, and what you can do to make things better for yourself. People avoid socialising. People are busy, people are awkward, people get all their socialising online. The barriers of just meeting new people and making friends is higher than before. This may sound like I'm blaming others for my woes. And I am. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:20 AM
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You know what people love about instant messaging? That it's instant, convenient, and private. No one is going to wait for a third party to message them with a reference, before messaging the person they actually wanna talk to. No third party is gonna write dozens of references about someone else to a total stranger. No one is going to want to let another stranger in on their flirty chats. This sounds like another one of those app ideas that's just throwing random variations of existing apps, ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 10:07 PM
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I think it's a bit of everything. I have autism, so I've struggled with social skills. But because of that I've forced myself to learn skills to be social with people. But then I see that other normal people are increasingly lacking these skills. Eg. I join a club, or take a class, or go to work, and everything seems really unwelcoming. Like people don't have friendly chit chat, people run off to have lunch by themselves, no one introduces themselves, people run home as soon as it's over. Someti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 01:00 AM
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Why do I get the impression that these deniers come from a position of privilege. Or worse, someone role-playing as someone with privilege. The decline of Third Spaces is a well documented phenomenon. If you don't see how today's economy and social issues are a factor in that, then you've gotta step out of your bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 12:33 AM
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You're missing the big picture. The point isn't to go somewhere with friends. The point is to go somewhere to meet people, where you can make new friends and relationships. The appeal of Third Places is that you can go there regularly, hang out, integrate yourself into a community, and make friends that way. As you alluded to, the lack of these places does come down to money. Business ownership is costly. Most of them physically can't stay afloat if customers aren't constantly spending money. Pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 09:18 PM
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The way men become bitter in dating apps is pretty obvious. Swiping with next to no matches, getting ignored by the few matches you have, having to carry every conversation ect. Is frustrating. But women have a different problem. I've known a few women that are straight up addicted to apps. No matter what, no one ever seems to be good enough for them. And you better believe they are bitter for it. They get straight up angry that there "aren't any good men out there". One thing to note is apps ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:13 AM
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In customer service, you will likely meet upwards of 100 people in a single day. Many times more if you're at a club or busy bar. Creeps also prey on people in customer service because they know they have to act polite. Some girls also attract it more. Less attractive girls get approached more because guys think she's an easier shot. It's hard to say the actual percentage. I know that some girls can't work a single shift without being creeped on in some way. But you remember the creeps, you don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 10:49 PM
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People are popular by having things others want. Something they have leveraged to make others benefit from their proximity. From your list: People want to be around attractive people. And likewise, their attractive friends. People want to be part of the inner circle that you are a part of by getting up on stage and DJing, or playing sports, or being in a band. People want your money if you're rich. People have a lot of reasons not to leave the house these days. If you want to get them to turn of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 08:28 PM
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The same answer I would give if the genders in question were reversed: It depends on the behaviour of the person. If they were nice in their rejection, they were still friendly towards you, still showed some interest in you as a person, then I wouldn't see anything wrong with giving them a chance. If they were rude, ignored you, acted like they were better than you, and then completely shifted gears when you changed, then nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:44 PM
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I'm gathering that you know I did not say what you claimed, you're just attributing your general feelings of PPD users onto a random comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 11:38 AM
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Not in those quotes: "Women owe unattractive men attention".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 11:30 AM
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I made no such claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 11:20 AM
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As the old red pill advice goes, look at their actions, not their words. Deciding to keep yourself safe and avoid risk is good advice. Even basing that risk on statistics may be acceptable. But probably not for personal relationships. So do the actions of misandrists really show avoidance of men based on statistical risk? Do they avoid all men, all the time? Or, do they only avoid some men, men that are on one side of the scale of attractiveness? I guess they have statistics that show attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:14 AM
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This is misandrist logic. Men's issues are judged based on their pettiest complaints. Women's issues are judged based on their worst traumas. Your pettiest issues don't match up to our worst? Then your issues aren't worth thinking about. It doesn't matter what actual men's issues get presented to these people. Men can straight up kill themselves, and it won't count as a "systemic oppression". Logic that poor can only come from a position of hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:34 AM
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It sounds harsh, but it's pretty much true. It's like they think all of Team Woman needs to be defended from men. If you're a man, you're going to hurt them, or something. Or maybe they're just jealous of a non-shit relationship. Or maybe they want to keep you as an orbiter. Or maybe all of the above. Either way, woman are way too motivated to keep you from getting other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:05 AM
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The only good advice I've had from a woman was a bi woman. I asked her specifically because I knew she was so sexually open and wouldn't mind talking about it. Straight women on the other hand are closed off as all hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:00 AM
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Because the traits that make a man attractive are completely different to those that make a woman attractive. Awkwardness and shyness in a girl is cute. In a guy, it's weird and maybe even creepy. Hyperactiveness and obsession makes a girl a quirky free spirit. The same in a guy makes him annoying. An awkward girl gets supported and taught by her friend group. An awkward guy gets picked on and neglected. It's really black and white the standards that we have to live up to compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:19 PM
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Some weird people are weird because they belong to a subculture where that weirdness is appreciated. That fat neckbeard who repulses you goes to Magic The Gathering events to play with 30 people just like him, with equally poor hygiene standards. Whereas that polite, well groomed loner guy, he takes care of himself because he has to. He can't afford to offend anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:04 PM
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Why do so many posts write as if men and women got together by committee to decide how we should feel and act towards each other? Men aren't a single entity. We didn't collectively decide not to care about other men. Women didn't hold a committee to decide they will provide the man committee the same amount of care the men provide. Any man who has been mistreated and neglected knows it's nothing to do with how you act towards them. You may not know this, because you've never been treated as a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 01:31 AM
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For people that hate video games and gamers, it has nothing to do with the content of those games. They just think games are silly in general. They might say they don't like how violent and sexist they are. But then you tell them about artsy games. A game where you don't fight anyone, and there's nothing sexist. Say, a game where you explore a national park developing a relationship with a woman over a radio, and uncovering a personally meaningful story. Then they say "why would anyone want to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 10:10 PM
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Mental health is important, and should be looked after. But mental health services and therapists are not the answer. If your problem is that people won't befriend you, then the solution is people being your friend. Not paying a person with a doctorate $200 an hour to talk about your problems. Despite what you might think, lonely people aren't lonely because they have some horribly repulsive mental health issue. Most of them are lonely for far more innocent reasons. And honestly, not entirely th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:25 AM
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When bitchy women get together, they try to outbitch each other. In this case, a bunch of bitches on TikTok competing over being the most demanding, the most over men, and the hardest to please. Because that gives them clout in those circles. AKA, the dynamic of r/FemaleDatingStrategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 09:02 AM
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As everyone has said already, make sure you can walk away at any time without losing anything. Have your own place, own car, own friends, own source of income. Or at least, a way you can get all of those or substitute without much difficulty. If they push your boundaries, disrespects you, tries to take any of those from you, you walk away. It's abuser 101 to take all the things from you that make you independent. Got money? Time to start spending more. Got friends? Time to start isolating you. G…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 12:12 AM
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Your one sided devotion pumps their ego. They feel happy, special, attractive. Now you take it away, and that ego boost isn't there anymore. You conditioned them to expect that treatment from you, and now you took it away. They're coming after you for their fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:13 PM
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I don't think for a second that you need to be a super Chad to get a woman to want to be in relationship with you. Nor do I think all less than Chadly relationships are beta bux. Realistically, there's probably a whole lot of things that aren't talked about in rep pill communities that make average guys appealing to these women. Maybe women like them because while there's nothing particularly great about them, there's nothing bad either. Maybe they just like someone who's inoffensive. Maybe they…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:08 PM
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Seriously? You're gonna go with "if you're unhappy you're just not trying hard enough"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 04:34 PM
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"Some guys I know don't have that problem, therefore it's not a problem"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:39 PM
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It's not like women collectively got together and said "Let's be cuddly and friendly with each other so we don't need men". And likewise men didn't get together and say "We're lonely without men, but we sure as hell aren't going to be emotionally intimate with each other". There are lots of cultural reasons men and women act this way towards each other. It's not likely any one man, or any minority of men, can control how others are to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:16 PM
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See that's a shitty way of looking at it. I've had a couple of great friendships when you can talk about shit that's bothering you, and help you get through these things. It's not a burden, assuming the help is mutual. If you're really so burdened by a friend telling you their problems, then that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:22 AM
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Yeah, but it's not like there's anything we can do about it. You can't exactly decide to change how every guy you know feels about friendship. There's just this barrier of distrust that guys have towards other guys. I don't know exactly why it happens. I feel it's a cultural thing. Others guys I know of different cultures are much more friendly and open. But here it's different. Some guys might feel close friendships are too feminine. Some guys are jealous, thinking a new guy is more competition…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:18 AM
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Women's friendships are filled with that same sort if emotional intimacy that they get from relationships. Men's aren't. We can hang out and stuff, but men don't like having too close a one on one friendship. It's not that I wouldn't like that. I would like to have a guy friend that I could call on to go hang out, but that just doesn't happen for us. There's always that barrier against making friends, and getting close to those friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:55 AM
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Reviews and reasons for rejection are a terrible idea. We all know how it would be used. It would just be people trolling, people lashing out at rejection or broken hearts, or unhelpful sugar coated replies. Here's my answer until someone asks the same question for men: A huge issue with dating apps is breaking the ice. I like to use Bumble, and this is how 90% of the conversations go: F gives single word "Hey". Or if she's particularly creative "Hey there!". M realises girl's put onus of conver…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:41 AM
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The idea of waiting for sex is pulled as a weak power play. It's attempting to start the relationship off by establishing that you are in charge. Healthy people are able to establish and defend boundaries without having to play mind games. Here's the sure fire way of telling if a guy intends to commit to you: He commits to you. That's it, that's all you can do. There's no magic tricks and no mind games to tell what someone could do. They could dump you after sex, they could dump you after a long…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:12 AM
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Absolutely I would. But it's not that easy. I've known more autistic men than I can count. The tech field is dominated by them. I suspect a handful of women I've known are autistic, but they get on very different to autistic men. They don't have the same obsessions with certain topics, like you could talk for hours about this one thing and nothing else. Their social malfunctions aren't as limiting. They still do more or less the same thing normies do. The extent of their awkwardness is they get …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:21 AM
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This is a tough question, that's honestly pretty hard to figure out for an autistic person. Even after years of practising I'm still just "okay" at conversing openly like that. It really helps to build rapport with people. If you know someone, and you have some shared experience with them, it's easier to have conversation. It helps to know what they are emotional about, because most people talk about emotional things rather than practical things. As an autistic guy, I'm sure we both find that fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 03:57 AM
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I'm autistic. If anything, The Red Pill was made for autistic men. It lays everything out in clear instructions: Here's why you're failing, here's what to do to not fail. I remember other sources giving advice on socialising, but it was all so polite and sanitised. Nothing that would say what really needs to be said to get you out of your rutt. Could an autistic person fall into a trap of further self loathing thanks to The Red Pill? Maybe? But I don't see it happening as a default. I started wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:01 PM
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Australian here. Height is a huge deal here. Tall guys have their pick of girls, get gawked at by girls, girls light up when they talk to them. Even if the guys themselves are quite plain. Tall guys are common here, and that probably has something to do with it. Everywhere you go you see guys that are 6'1+. If a woman wants a tall guy, she can easily take her pick. I see a common theme where cultures where this height preference isn't a thing, tall guys are rare. There's a huge emphasis on sport…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:47 AM
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Consciously or otherwise, women put men into ranked types. What we call alphas, betas, or omegas. Why they might call "yes please", "maybe", and "ewww, no". If you spend your life in the third category, it's inevitable that you're going to ask "what the hell is wrong with me? Why am I treated so differently to my peers?" You feel like a a second class citizen, you feel like you're being blocked and stonewalled from the life that you want. So is it any surprise that when someone comes along as sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 03:46 AM
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A genuine question: Is harassment, unwarranted dick pics, spamming messages ect. very common? Or is it more that the negative experiences are more memorable than the average or mildly positive ones? If it is common, then I have to ask what the hell is wrong with guys? Even at my most autistic and depressed moments, I knew that sort of shit only hurts your chances. I believe there's a subculture of guys that just want to harass women anonymously, and OLD is a good platform for them to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 09:54 AM
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It's generally that I was given very little advice, and the advice I was given was more about keeping me alone and "innocent", so those that could abuse me could continue doing so. Eg. A girl I was friend zoned by telling me I shouldn't work out, and getting really upset when I did. My mother telling me I should respect women's boundaries and not bother them or escalate with them. My father was very strict about manners and politeness. Super against vulgarity or anything he deemed "inappropriate…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 02:28 AM
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Guarantee she and any woman posting something similar is also still concurrently posting on dating adjacent subreddits despite supposedly being done with dating. Lol, her history is exactly that. Including an interesting admission that she's bi, and her issues with dating men extend to dating women as well. So she obviously chose to specifically target men in this OP out of bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:49 AM
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It sounds like she was being deliberately vague about what the "emotional labour" is. From what I can read into her vague statements, she was single for a long time. Now she finds that relationships are too much of an adjustment to be worth going back to. It makes sense. Relationships are work. You have someone you have to take care of yourself for. Someone to call you on your shit. Someone you have to make time for. The endless time, and responsibility free actions you can do as single person d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:44 AM
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It's not just about having the emotions, but more about having control of them and not using those emotions to make decisions. AKA, emotional reasoning. The ability to step back, look at your emotions, and realise they're just feelings and you shouldn't act on them. Women seem to have an inescapable mental connection between their emotions and reality. They get a feeling that someone shouldn't be liked or trusted, or that something is someone else's fault, or that someone harmed them in a way th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 02:12 AM
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When my last ex started contraception, her sex drive dropped off completely. Sometimes it was like being with a completely different person. We kept having sex, but it was more mechanical, less feeling behind it. And less love behind everything else as well. Worse, all the things about me that didn't matter before started to matter. Then that got me thinking that this is what every western conservative woman is going through? Like, they act so cold, distant, and choosy, because turning them on i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 06:18 AM
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You know the old saying that sex is about power. That's why women settle into dead bedroom relationships with men they're not attracted to. Being horny for someone gives them power over you. So they get more out of the relationship when they can turn the power balance even more in their favour.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 06:01 AM
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So many people already shirk real world experiences for virtual experiences. And I'm not just talking about basement dwellers. Take all the people who spend huge quantities of time playing video games, looking at social media, posting on reddit, watching porn, swiping through TikTok. That covers a huge section of every demographic that owns a computer. Now add true AI to that experience. You can alter your virtual experience to be exactly what you want, all the time. Change personalities and app…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:13 AM
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As the world's economy, cost of living, and work life balance gets worse, a certain class is able to fair better. And it just so happens that women are more likely to be in that class. This is simply because the way the world works. The world isn't the survival of the fittest, take what you can, build yourself up by your bootstraps environment that it was in even recent history. Everything is owned by someone else. Your homes, your jobs, your land, your resources. What we have is dependant on wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:03 AM
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Most of TRP is anecdotal. For myself, I don't consider that a bad thing. Not because anecdotal evidence should be trusted over scientific studies, but because the scientific studies aren't going to be accurate unless they're targeting these specific ideas. If you go out every day and see and live the things TRP says are true, it's hard to reject that because some scientific studies say it doesn't happen. Maybe if they targeted your situation better, I might give them more weight. For example, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 03:29 AM
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It's socially acceptable misandry. It's an excuse for women to get angry and blame their partners. That they use entirely because it's such a pervasive stereotype that men are lazy and don't do chores. If they didn't get so much support from enablers, it wouldn't happen. But it's also part of a larger issue of misandry in relationships. Women's relationship issues and complaints are heard, sympathised with, justified, and fought for. Whereas men's are dismissed and they are blamed for theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 03:17 AM
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I'm not sold on the specifics of exactly which pieces of housework are done by the man or the woman. But I definitely agree on the under and over-reporting of housework done by the man and woman. In my experience "He doesn't do enough housework" is just code for "I'm unhappy about something, and I need someone to blame it on". It's a convenient out because it's morally justifiable to blame a man for lack of housework, and there's always some housework that's not done to blame your woes on. If th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 07:26 AM
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Even totally normal people don't even know how to introduce themselves to strangers anymore. It used to be so normal to go to events, and do the whole routine of "Hi I'm so and so, what do you do? How do you know so and so?" Then you introduce them to others: "Have you met Ted? He likes Annie Hall just like you do." I could do that even as a super awkward teen. Now you go introduce yourself to someone, and they're just like "Hey...Cool...Okay". Like everyone gave themselves aspergers over the la…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 06:24 AM
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In general people stopped having gatherings. At least where I'm from. Up until about 15 years ago, there would always be house parties going on. You would walk down the street on weekend nights and hear music blaring, hear people having loud drunken conversations over BBQs. Then they just kind of stopped. Everyone does everything at bars, and in small groups of friends. There's no more of that open invitation, come one come all vibe that large private gatherings have. At bars drinks and food are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 06:01 AM
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If he doesn't do anything romantic, she loses love because she gets bored. If he does something romantic, it doesn't count because he's only doing it to get something in return. He is stuck in a lose-lose situation. The only difference between times when romantic gestures worked, or a lack of gestures didn't matter, is her perception. He can't fix how she thinks by trading something for positive perceptions. Attraction can't be negotiated. There might be ways to salvage it, or fix everything fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 03:57 AM
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Translation: It happened to you, but it makes it feel less alone in your guilt and heartache if you assume your experience is no exceptions universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 03:49 AM
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When a relationship starts to sour for the guy, they can go all out trying to fix it. Fancy dinners and holidays, gifts, visiting her at work, trying to get all sappy and romantic. But needless to say, this does fuck all to fix the relationship. She still dumps his ass. Because at the end of the day it really means nothing about trying to keep the romance going past the honeymoon phase. She switched her opinion of you, and will never get it back. It could happen for valid reasons. Like you got f…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 09:12 AM
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This isn't really the woman being forward. This is just about giving signals. Where a lot of guys are awkward at is slowly escalating, so she never has to be more forward than you're being. She starts by gravitating closer to you. She's comfortable with you in her personal space. Then you can playfully touch her. Then she gets comfortable also touching you. Then touching escalates. Then she does what I said about holding her face close to yours, and holding her gaze. If at any point in this she …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:30 AM
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If there's one thing I've learnt in my limited dating experience, it's that if she wants it to happen it will happen. It doesn't matter if you're super awkward, don't know how to move in for a kiss, don't know how to playfully touch. She'll give you wide open flashing signals that say "Hey! You gonna kiss me or what?". She'll put herself in a position where you have to touch her. She'll stand close, so you have no choice but to put your hand on her back as you walk. She'll sit next to you. She'l…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:48 PM
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Priveleged people will always be blissfully unaware of this advantage. Every dollar someone else spends on you, is a dollar you don't have to work for. It's a shitty backbreaking job you don't have to do. It's a decision between rent, healthcare, and fun, that you don't have to make. Every hour you don't have to work is an hour you can focus on other aspects of life, like studying, fitness, or socialising. I can't even imagine going into a strange new place, and being welcomed with open arms. Le…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:31 AM
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This is accurate. Most guys don't take tonnes of photos and plaster them on social media. You literally have to tell your friend to take a photo of you for a dating profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 04:18 AM
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You don't need the Truman Show to get a "candid" photo. Just tell a friend to take some photos of you boxing, or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 04:17 AM
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These profiles look like they put in so much more effort than I did. And somehow I did surprisingly well when I first made my account. If I had to point to any difference, it's that their profiles are really plain, despite being very attractive. Too many photos. I don't think you need all 6. I just had 3; face shot, body shot, some activity that shows I don't sit at home all day in my underwear. You don't need to see someone's face 4 times to know if they're attractive. Boring written content. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:25 AM
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For a lot of people it's a vicious cycle. Try to go out and do something, find it difficult because of social awkwardness, or it's difficult to organise things. So give up after trying and failing, and stay home and play games. Before social media it was a lot easier to get people to do things. You could still dick around online, look at porn, and play time consuming games. But you couldn't see your friends, so people were so much more excited about hanging out. Now days you can tell that people…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:45 AM
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There was a r/bestof thread about "third places" not long ago. And it's hard to disagree. In our modern world, we're all short on time. Work hours are long and stressful. Study hours are long. Even worse if you're doing both. We have less money. Work pays less, the cost of living rises, a huge chunk of our pay check disappears to our landlord's pockets. We don't have time to go places and just chill. We don't have time to try new activities. We don't want to spend too much money doing things. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 03:00 AM
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Maybe you just come off as friendly and approachable? Plenty of hot girls carry around a bitchy, holier than thou attitude. They are nice to look at, but you get the idea that you'd be better off talking to a cold slab of concrete.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 02:25 AM
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Education and career don't matter, so much as how smart she is. I want someone I can talk to, about interesting things, and deep dive into fun and interesting concepts. Being well educated is probably going to make that more likely. But not always. There are people who move boxes around stores that can talk for hours about complex topics. There are people that excel in prestigious academic subjects, that show absolutely none of that intelligence outside of class.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:18 AM
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It means women are more likely to use emotional reasoning, and disregard logical reasoning. Emotional reasoning means thoughts and facts associated with a feeling are taken as true, and logical analysis of them is not done, or ignored. For example: Sally is feels angry when she sees wrapping paper lying on the floor in the closet, instead of on the shelf where it belongs. Her husband left it there, so she feels angry at him. A logical analysis of the situation would show that the location of wra…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:01 AM
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First of all, what is the actual culture around dating where you are? Especially in relation to red pill traits? Is it capitalistic, focused on money, titles, accomplishments, and how you spend them? How addicted are people to social media, and dating apps? How prevalent is misandry and misogyny? Especially misandry, as it relates to the question. How open are people to socialising, especially with strangers? Can you go into a bar, and just strike up a conversation with a group of strangers? How…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:14 AM
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As much as I support looking at everything without the "grass is greener" fallacy, I question if these things are equally difficult for women. That's for the simple reason, that we don't see a lot of women failing at all the things you listed. We see men of all ages unable to approach, or unable to properly navigate a relationship. But women, honestly seem to just have things happen naturally. Sure, they might practice photos, dressing, and grooming, but that's all fun and games to them. They lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 09:17 AM
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Sometimes attractive people are assholes because they get away with it. Sometimes ugly people are assholes because they're bitter and poorly socialised. They think it doesn't matter because people will treat them badly no matter how nice they are. Sometimes attractive people are nice because they get treated nicer, and a lifetime of positive reinforcement makes them treat people better, and get treated better in return. Sometimes ugly people are nice because they know they don't have a choice. R…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 09:29 AM
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Point taken. Trolls gonna troll I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 02:48 AM
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She's a celebrity, curated by publicists telling her the image she should present to the world. Doesn't mean she's actually like that in real life. Celebrity relationships don't work like normal people's, usually. They don't have to work 9 to 5, do housework, or deal with other people's struggles. Likewise they can put on relationships as a public facade, but fuck around in private. Despite making a song praising fat girls, she's not and never was fat (see number 1). I actually think she was alw…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:05 AM
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Actually going out and dating women. I used to think being alone was the worst, and being with someone would be the best. Now I know you're better off without someone who creeps you out with crazy, physically turns you off, makes you feel pity on them, or doesn't show the affection you deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 02:09 AM
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I started reading it in 2015 after a bad breakup. I remember lots of it was about grooming, game, frame, working out. It was pretty handy to be able to find a lot of advice on whatever romantic problem ailed you at the time. I think generally there just wasn't much TRP could do to continue generating user content. It was basically a guidebook, and it was already pretty comprehensive. After a certain point anything worth saying was already said. All that was left was a bunch of kids swapping arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 01:20 AM
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This isn't a statement on being screwed over in dating. This is just how people colour you differently on how they feel towards you. If they don't like you, everything is seen in a bad light. Which is what your examples show. If they do like you, everything is seen in a good light. The opposite can be true. If she likes you, your doting isn't simping, it's being caring and generous. Your touchy feely isn't creepy, it's affectionate. Your autistic traits aren't weird, they're unique and quirky.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:38 AM
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These compliments sound nice. But...Imagine if you'd heard them every day since you were a child. So much that you couldn't imagine life without them. Imagine if the women giving those compliments also had a biological drive to get their hands on your penis at any cost, so you can't really trust those compliments either. But on the other hand, it's crazy how little compliments men get. Imagining just a couple of these made me warm and fuzzy, as sad as that sounds. It's not because I'd think thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:49 PM
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Don't take offense to things. There's a million reasons not to get hard besides being unattracted to you. The most likely reason is nerves and performance anxiety. Which is made so much worse if the woman acts like it's a massive insult to her. Let him experiment a little. If he touches certain places, kisses you a certain way, you might not like it. But trying is the only way for him to find out what you like. Openly and non-judgementally tell him what you don't like. Conversely, respond when h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:32 AM
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Every now and again we get a thread along the lines of "Q4All: What do you dislike about your own gender?". And in those cases, we do get fairly balanced and nuanced criticisms of our own genders. This sub is generally pretty polarised. It's extremes of both sides making sweeping, unnuanced claims about the other side. If the threads were a little more nuanced, we'd probably get more open and agreeable discussion about our own genders and their general flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 01:53 AM
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The problem that really needs to be addressed in this conversation is that some some people's standards for cleanliness simply cannot ever be satisfied. You can step up your game if you're slacking on housework. And she just adds more tasks to that. Things that used to be done once every two weeks, are now every week. Things you never used to do are now done regularly. You'll just get more and more tasks thrown at you until your free time no longer exists. And if you fail at even one of those ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 01:47 AM
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Abundance does things to your perception of people. If you always have more matches, lots of chats open, more dates around the corner, it's easy not to care about any of those. No spark? Took too long to schedule a second date? Not sure enough if they like you back? Who cares, there's another one to take their place. Nexting someone is easier than dealing with those pesky feelings of uncertainty. I feel this as an average guy, I can't imagine how much worse it is for women who get thousands of l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:07 AM
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Lists of requirements. Doesn't matter if they're reasonable requirements or not. It just comes off as bitchy. Like meeting someone at a party and opening with "don't talk to me if you're a smoker, are after a one night stand, or are unemployed". You do the filtering when you get to know them, not before. Unless you're only after someone who'll tolerate bitchiness. In which case, mission accomplished? Nothing in your bio to talk about. You don't want every conversation to be "How's your day", "Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:46 AM
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.3. To a point. Real sex doesn't happen with 20 open tabs. You can't switch from boy-girl to girl-girl to solo to big tits to step sisters every 20 seconds. You can't just see whatever stimulus your horny brain desires at any moment. So if you're used to that, in can make it harder to stay turned on when you have to deal with a single person, doing what they want at each time. Now to be fair, this isn't so much a porn thing as a digital entertainment thing. Especially a smart phone thing. There'…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 07:04 AM
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I can confirm this experience to a tee. I was taught by both parents that being nice was important. I was beaten and punished harshly for doing anything rude or inconsiderate to girls, by my mother. My father would obsess over proper manners and politeness. I essentially walked on eggshells a lot thinking my social and romantic problems are caused by not being polite enough. When I first started to be around women, after high school, I treated them the way I thought you should. Extra nice, extra…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:45 AM
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There was literally a story about a handsome 6'7, 27 year old incel. He thought he was ugly until he tried dating apps, and was swarmed with matches. He wasn't ugly. He was just awkward, a shut in, had no confidence, and never made a move in real life. Let's be clear, even if you're attractive, women don't just run up to you and jump your boner. Even if they like you, and give you signals, and invite you to things, you still have to make moves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 04:09 AM
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It seems to be a given that socially adept and outgoing people are always going to be at an advantage, as that's what people like in other people. But our society and culture also encourages us to be less social, at least to a degree. We work more, have less socially acceptable places to meet people, and have less disposable income to spend on social things. For some, this doesn't seem to be a problem. But if you do have trouble socialising, this makes it worse. Anyone who's friendless, or been …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 04:03 AM
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Spare us that black pill bullshit. Everyone knows looks matter. But don't pretend you're some hideous Quasimodo because girls don't jump your boner at the sight of you. And don't pretend actual improvement doesn't help substantially.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 12:48 AM
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Huh? How did you get that from what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:12 PM
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There are a lot of things. Mostly how to work out to build muscle, and why it's important. The importance of being dominant. How to be dominant without being cruel or overaggressive. How to get good at things that you currently suck at. There are a lot of different things that can't really be summed up in a reddit comment. But the red pill sidebar helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 10:26 AM
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I have no problem admitting I was barely dateable now. Of course I can admit it was even worse when I was younger. The resentment is in not being taught how to be dateable, or even being outright sabotaged. If someone with a clearer head on their shoulders told me the things I learnt from my own experience, things would have been very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 11:37 PM
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There are a handful of girls I know that are and/or were addicted to dating apps. They were looking to satisfy their egos with how many men are available to them. Like most addictions it's a bottomless pit. They'd look for more and more men, reject for pettier and pettier reasons, no real ends for any of it. Often went on for years. On the other hand the more balanced ones played around with them for a bit, found someone, and moved on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 02:40 AM
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As someone who's never really used online dating much, can anyone explain what's changed recently to make it worse? When I tried it around 2016-2018 I remember the issue was just not enough women on board. I got into a few half hearted chats with some girls who weren't really interested. I would very easily swipe through all the women in my range in no time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 02:34 AM
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Western society doesn't care much about raising, training, and molding children into functional adults. In all respects, not just sexually. We spend our teen years thrown into a building together, so someone can keep an eye on us while our parents go to work. During which time we're expected to just figure things out on our own. If you don't have good parents or parent figures to fall back on for this early development, you have to teach yourself. Most people aren't compassionate enough to both …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 11:16 PM
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This is basically my issue. I seem to attract a lot of girls on first impressions. Thanks to good dressing, grooming, working out, and having decent natural looks. But that fades very quickly once they get to know me. Like those little oddities are enough to turn them off completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 05:14 PM
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If I'm being honest, it's not the pain of rejection. More like the embarrassment of rejection. If a person I liked said she didn't like me back, I'd be disapointed, but okay with it. It's the idea that I'd be considered creepy, weird, way overstepping my boundaries or whatever, that stops me from trying. That, combined with having a poor understanding of when it's okay to ask girls out, and reading the cues of when a girl is actually interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 05:10 PM
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I've had so many moments with girls where they were probably flirting, and I just miss a beat that throws it all off. Like a moment where a girl offerred to share her drink with me, and I said "nah it's, cool, I've got my own". I almost immediately realised what the fuck I did wrong, but by that point the magic was gone, and she moved on. Other times it's a bit more subtle, but I'm sure they're waiting for me to do something to escalate, and I just don't know what that is. Sometimes I wish they …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:28 AM
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Autistic spectrum male here. I strongly relate to OP's experience with being shut down before conversation even starts. Like everyone just has a barrier up against people that aren't entirely normal. When I do make conversation, their body language says they're only doing this because it's polite, and they want out as soon as it's polite to do so. Often I'd be in a social circle, and people would pretend I wasn't there. Like they'd make conversation with each other, and not even give me eye cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:17 AM
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Too crazy for boy's town, too much of a boy for crazy town!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:25 PM
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If you have a niche like that. But most don't. I'm very niche, no question of it. But it's not something I can display like a metal head can, for example. Very few people can. I can't exactly dress to show off I like art, science, history, whatever. Perhaps it would be easier if there were places I could go that gathered exactly that crowd. But I'm from a fairly small, fairly conservative city, where most people just do mundane everyday activities. Niches are pretty rare here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:24 PM
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You should work on yourself. If you don't, you just whither away. It's what The Red Pill is all about. But the thing that really sucks, is the weight of what you have to work on is so heavily against you. I'm a firm believer that everything that happens to you socially, from making friends to girlfriends, is based on what you present to the world. Your looks, demeanour, confidence, wealth, status. If you have these, people open up to you and are happy to talk to you. If you don't, people ignore …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:37 PM
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Sounds good in concept, but how do you suppose a man can actually do that? Say my social circle consists of maybe 10-20 women I see on a somewhat regular basis, with very little rotation. Even if they were all single, odds are I'd be lucky to find even one that is into my type. Is there a dating site I can go to and select for women that are into my specific type?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:07 PM
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Why don't I go to some stranger behind a desk, tell them I'm such a chump that I'll give them a bunch of money to get me a girlfriend? Strangers who have absolutely no reputation to prove their system works, and they're not total scams?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:44 AM
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When I was growing up, I could talk to men about a lot of different things that were troubling me, and we'd usually deal with these things very productively. But women...nah. It always seemed like they liked to put on a show about being tolerant. But when a person who didn't fit their mould was standing in front of them, it didn't compute the same way. I'd tell them I was depressed, or socially isolated, or whatever, and it was always "lol, deal with it", before criticising me because I used som…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 05:40 PM
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You...don't see real people giving likes, shares, and follows?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:33 AM
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God no. I haven't even told any of my work mates. Not that I'm ashamed, if someone asked I wouldn't hide it. But there's some stigma to it. As there is with pretty much any mental condition. I'm pretty sure at least a few would judge me negatively, especially when promotions are on the line. For girls it's kind of a third date thing. After I know I can trust them, and they trust me. I've revealed it too early before and it definitely colours their opinions of me. If I do reveal it, I've never ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:35 AM
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No. No one discerns social media from fantasy, because social media isn't fantasy. There are fantastical elements to it in cases. Such as the aforementioned filters, or perhaps overestimating how much your followers care about you. But at the base of it it's all real. Those are real people, who liked whatever you posted enough to press a button, and make you feel wanted and appreciated, even if only a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 08:56 AM
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The thing about personality being attractive is that it's more about very minor, subliminally noticeable traits. Things that aren't easy to diagnose or describe online. So when someone says personality matters, it rubs some the wrong way, because they're thinking of assholes they know that get all the girls, when they're nice guys that get avoided like the plague. And this isn't wrong, how genuinely good you are is a small part of the equation. If you're autistic, like me, there are tonnes of so…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:49 AM
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The worst thing about porn is that it's so easily and readily available, in your pocket, 24/7, without lifting a finger. But the exact same is true of social media. You can't tell me that having constant access to social media isn't also changing people's perceptions of other people, attention, their own attractiveness, and self esteem. But there is one big difference. Boys know porn is fantasy. We know they're actors. We know they're not aware of us. We know being able to watch a video of Riley…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:53 PM
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Because we don't trust other people. If you meet a random person you're going to worry about what kind of person they are. At worst, they're a crazy lunatic. Less worse, they're an asshole. Less worse still, they're someone you'll find annoying. If you get past all of those dangers, then you need to make sure you'll get along with them. Have fun doing what they do. See eye to eye on ideologies. So the advice on joining hobbies and what not is all about building a social circle that trusts you. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 05:09 AM
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Imagine an employer telling you they're going to pay you less, but it's okay because they're going to teach you to be happy with less money. All while also taking the big bucks for themselves, because they can't be expected to stop wanting money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:08 AM
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Yes, I remember the old days of forums, where you could have long winded discussions about all sorts of things. But those have basically bean made obsolete. I'd like to see a system that has all the good parts of forums, chat rooms, and reddit, in an all encompassing social media platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 05:07 PM
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Hey, don't go talking shit about buttered noodles! In all seriousness, yeah, I think this thread would be more helpful if people explained their level of autism, and the levels the detractors are unattractive to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 05:02 PM
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In all seriousness, I don't know. I've met a few that might have been autistic, but even they don't have the same autistic obsessions and interests that autistic guys have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 06:57 AM
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Change social media completely. I'd personally be all for completely getting rid of social media, but that ain't going to happen. Instead we need a new social media that promotes actual socialising, making new friends rather than showing off to the ones you already have, showing off things besides vacations and clubbing. No more social media celebrities that look like the douchiest high school kids you knew. No more apps designed to get you to check them every 5 seconds for a dopamine hit, just …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 06:38 AM
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Read clearly, and get the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 06:10 AM
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Look at what the women in this thread are saying. Half are saying it's weird and offputting, and it's a hard no. Others are saying they have autistic partners and they find it cute. The thing is, autism manifests itself differently. I'm somewhat social, like going out and drinking, and have some really cool hobbies and almost savant level skills and knowledge, and my social tics are so minor most probably don't even know I'm autistic. I've known other autistic people that sit in their rooms all …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 05:09 AM
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The point is it's not always that simple. If it was something like "she started zoning out during my 20 minute critique on current generation pokemon cards, and then she left when I yelled at the waitress about my chicken tendies" then yeah, that's obvious. But usually it's just some minor mannerism that I could barely accurately explain. Maybe it's when I was quiet for a couple minutes without interjecting in the conversation. Maybe it was that one joke I told that only got a pity laugh. Maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:40 AM
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Because autistic people have to work to empathise to get people to like them, socialise, and not feel isolated and depressed. Neurorypicals don't. They have everything they want socially, so why would they put in effort for your sake?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:23 AM
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Like what? Seriously? I've never met a woman that has conversational interests in the same way autistic guys do. By interests I mean fields and areas of expertise, the things autistic guys could talk about for hours on end. In my experience normie conversation is just swapping anecdotes about how popular and outgoing you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:19 AM
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He could be saying some awful, inappropriate, crazily autistic things. Or he could just show some slightly abnormal mannerisms, interests, or ways of talking. It's not always some crazy Chris Chan shit. Sometimes some really minor subliminal things can put people off.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:04 AM
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Sometimes. There are BPD types who show a completely different persona to their crazy side. In fact, one of the symptoms of being around a cluster B is that everyone else seems to think they're great, and you're the only one who can see their truly crazy side. And then there are obvious asshole douchebags, that everyone but her knows he's an asshole, and she only stays with him because those red flags are exactly what makes him appear tough and attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:05 PM
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Absolutely not. But the first time you don't know what to expect. You don't know people could have two sides that are that different from each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 12:14 PM
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It was common complaint from my BPD mother and BPD ex. That I was scary, dangerous, out of control angry. But whenever anything happened, they were the aggressor. I never ran into my mother's room screaming at the top of my lungs about it being messy, and throwing everything around. I never yelled at my ex for an hour straight over allegedly undercooked dinner, while she begged me to stop and calm down. If anyone ever apologised, tried to calm the other one down, tried to walk on eggshells so sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:35 AM
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Where women see early sex as a way of "giving away the game", men just see it as sex. We don't have to remain in a relationship with someone after having sex with them. That said the advice "don't stick your dick in crazy" is a good one. But, ya know, we get horny, and have lapses of judgement. Plus, that crazy usually doesn't happen right away. With my BPD ex, the crazy only came out after I was trapped. Over a year into the relationship, once we'd gotten a place together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:04 AM
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Okay, yes, I agree that's basically how the dynamic happens, and the way feminism leverages power and freedoms away from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:20 AM
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Most women know that most men will never resort to violence against women. Or hell, even against men. BPD women take this to the extreme. They can do all sorts of horrible shit. Daily tantrums, drama, threats, sabotage, knowing that you can't stop them. I'm not the only one who has stories of running into a bathroom or closet to get away from their tantrums, only for them to chase after you and try to break the door down. Does that sound like someone who's scared you'll hurt them? I'm also not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:51 AM
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Committing financial fraud, making billions in profit from it, and crippling the global economy isn't strictly speaking violence. But it's still wrong and destructive. But that said, if you abuse someone emotionally, with the backing of "I can do whatever I want and you have to take it or you're the one who'll be arrested and suffer even more", then that counts as using violence against someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:17 AM
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So, what, Johnny Depp should have beat the shit out of Amber Heard to show her who's boss? Maybe beat up the police, lawyers, and judges involved in charging him? This is dumb. You can be the biggest toughest motherfucker on the planet, but that means nothing if your aggressor hurts you in ways that no amount of physical strength is going to protect against.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:50 AM
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There's a lot to dislike about the manosphere besides it's advice. Its views on women are insulting to them, so obviously they're not going to like it for that alone. But... They also don't offer anything to replace it. There's no blue pill movement to help struggling young men. Blue pill advice threads pop up every now and again, and they're unhelpful, sanitised, impersonal, deflective. No one really wants men to improve at sex and dating. If struggling men vanished tomorrow, and the fruits of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 02:47 AM
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It can happen. You can go through an ugly duckling stage, and when you glow up you have all the social skills to catch up on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 08:35 AM
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It's pretty obvious that women are turned off by social awkwardness. But I can't buy that it's directly related to sexual performance. Awkward guys aren't all bumbling idiots trying to find where to put it. Plenty of them are even more sexually attentive, because they don't get to take sex for granted, and they actually care about their partner. Social awkwardness is just a signal that he's not good at the aspects of life the woman wants. Awkwardness denotes helplessness. She doesn't want to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 03:49 AM
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I believe a big part of it is the motivation that young men and girls receive in early life. For the young girls I knew in my life, growing up and becoming an adult was almost fetishised. From a really young age they talk about growing up, getting jobs, getting married. They dress and wear makeup older than their age. They follow an idealised version of adulthood, like the Friday music video. This is what I observed in my sister, friends' sisters, and the handful of girls I knew at that age. Boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 04:15 AM
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Quit job, invest, live off investments. Spend hours a day of free time going to classes, learning skills, meeting people, organising and attending social events.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:57 AM
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Probably poor social skills and lack of social opportunities. If you just work all the time, and your work consists of nothing but other dudes, or the few women that are there are in relationships, that's your only social circle. Maybe you meet others every now and again, but you lack the skills, personality, and energy to make it a permanent friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:55 AM
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Independent, tonnes of neat hobbies, big on adventure, smart conversation, hot gym bod, selfless lover. We'll have lots of fun if you don't expect me to drag you to clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:47 AM
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Potentially true. If you are whining about being alone continuously, you need to accept that you're opening yourself up to response that you don't want to hear. This isn't limited to the manosphere either. A lot of people don't take criticism well, even really professional people. This is mostly just something that just applies to people in real life. If that person is anonymous online, I'd probably start with a more productive "why do you think you can't attract women?" Again, with the caveat t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:12 AM
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It's easy: "Here are the reasons I'm not attracted to you..." "Here's what you can do to make yourself attractive..." "Here are some single women I know that might be interested..." Ya know, practical stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:22 AM
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The unfortunate fact is we live in a very noisy and busy world. In that world it's hard to be noticed, and hard to get what you want when there are so many trying get that same thing. Assholes just have that easier. She's got 20 guys a day making polite conversation with her. The one that barges in, teases her, gets in her space whether she asks for it or not is the one she notices.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 08:32 PM
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Constantly being bugged, hit on, creeped on. As someone who doesn't get a lot of attention in general, I think it would be nice to be noticed sometimes. But as an introvert, never having a moment to yourself would suck too. Especially girls in a customer service role, where they can't just avoid those men, and can't easily politely reject them. My ex worked in a supermarket and she would tell me of all the regulars that would come in to buy one small thing, line up at her til, give her creepy co…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:18 AM
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There's something to be said about the over sexualising of the media. But even if you balanced out ads, movies, games, TV shows, you would barely notice the difference with that same sexualising on social media. It can be debated whether sexy images in magazines have an effect. But there's no question of it in social media. It's a plain fact that girls can get millions of followers just by posting sexy pictures. If you decide you're going to rise above it, and swap out the bikini pictures for so…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:13 AM
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It's not lazy at all. Life is hard, and there's only so many hours a day you can do productive things in. You should be able to take handouts, get helped by your parents, leave certain life goals another year while you prioritise others, focus on doing things that fulfill you but won't show up on your resume. I just wish you wouldn't be judged so harshly for it, and that judgement didn't hold you back in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 12:46 PM
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The things is, I'm on the autism spectrum, so I'm naturally odd. With naturally being outcast it's become normal to me that I need to adjust myself if I hope to fit in, make friends, talk to girls ect. If I talk about the things I want to talk about, act the way I want, most people will be put off. That fear keeps me withdrawn, hence coming off as serious. But there are a select few people I am close to, who I can really relax and be myself around. I can get shitfaced and we joke around, or we c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 12:40 PM
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Hmm, I am awfully serious. I should try to be more casual and funny. But I guess as many other users have said, men are expected to clown and peacock to entertain women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 12:04 PM
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I mostly agree with this. But I want to ask what reducing the objectification of women would look like to you? Once it was considered bad for magazines to have skinny, photoshopped models on the cover. But now social media, twitch, and onlyfans overshadows that a hundred times over. It's no longer an issue of the media driving unrealistic expectations, but millions of everyday people doing so. I hope there's a way around it, but how do you convince billions of people to stop watching and liking …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 12:00 PM
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What I was coming of age I felt a lot of pressure to be a very good "all rounder". As a 21 year old I needed a good source of income, be well into a good tertiary education, have a good social life, good social and life skills, a car, my own place, not reliant on parents, travel history. I was judged harshly by girls for not having my shit together, even as a young man barely out of school. But these girls had no such demands. They could take money from their parents, spend a year travelling, ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 11:49 AM
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For myself and I imagine many others in my position, the issue isn't that I want to have lots of casual sex. I would like to, but it's not what makes me envious. The issue is just how easily sex is obtained for some. For me, it seems almost unattainable, whether as a result of a relationship or not. But for other's it's given out freely and carelessly. I can't help but see there's some grave difference between me and even the most average of guys that get girlfriends, to make the disparity of ef…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 11:34 AM
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Yeah, I know, and I feel bad for people in your position. I hope you find something that works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:39 PM
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It's not hopeless. There are other ways. But yeah, you have to work hard to get over the ways the deck is stacked against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:27 PM
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Lol, just listen to your denial. "It just doesn't make sense that women like height that much, it doesn't make sense that men like big boobs that much, it doesn't make sense that peahens like peacock tails that much!"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:11 PM
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Most smart people I know are interested in a lot of different things. Even though most programmers are autistically obsessed with very specific things. But if they have any sense of social awareness they'd be delighted to sit and learn about whatever cool and crazy fields others are knowledgeable about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:06 AM
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If a guy turned down a B cup to gawk at an E cup you wouldn't say there must be some other context here. Just accept that maybe the way you or the people around you see men doesn't apply to the majority in every locale.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 04:01 AM
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I never said I was called a midget. It was some random guy I barely knew, who liked this other girl. She called him a midget when he wasn't around. And no, I don't think you're objectively looking at this. I think you're motivated by whatever motivates anyone to say their sexual desires aren't shallow. It's not like you can't look objectively from the inside either. I don't even know what sort of outside context would change my observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:02 PM
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I guess that settles it. I'm 5'11, and 70% of women have decided I'm too short for them to even consider. Something tells me if 2/3rds of men refused to look at a woman under a D cup, the outcry would be a lot louder.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:55 PM
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I'll be blunt. You think height preference doesn't exist because you're not disadvantaged by it. You've never talked to a girl you like, thought you were hitting it off, only to have your heart sink when a 6'2 guy approaches her, and she instantly melts like butter. You've never been treated like you're literally invisible because a tall guy is in the room. You've never been jealous when horny girls start gossiping about the guys they find hot, and then been able to see they're all 6'2 or up. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:51 PM
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Sounds super niche. I've never known anyone to spend money on PUA stuff, even so much as a book. I wouldn't even know where to look to find a PUA life coach. Granted men do spend tonnes of money on other desperate things, like twitch streamers and onlyfans. But sadly self improvement is not one of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:02 PM
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Do people pay good money for pick up artist stuff? Maybe some sell a few books here and there. Maybe there's a few really niche markets where they're hired as personal dating coaches. But nothing close to what the average woman spends on beauty products. Or hell, even what an average man spends on cologne and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:00 PM
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To a point. But few to no men care to the level that women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:36 AM
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The general difference is that men are a lot more apathetic about these sorts of things. A woman does her hair, eyebrows, nails, make up, jewellery. She goes to see her man, who goes "oh, yeah, I totally noticed you look different...uh, you're wearing new glasses right?" These industries prey on the insecurity of women. Not what men want. I might even speculate women think men notice, because this is what they notice. There could be industries to prey on men's insecurities the same way. Gym memb…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:02 AM
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This is true. I might be tempted to think it's a grass is greener fallacy. But I doubt it, because it's easily disproven. I can plainly look at the women I know, and I find them all attractive if they're not fat or monstrously ugly. But conversely, women don't respect the majority of men they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:05 PM
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That's a good question. The general consensus of female vs male value is that women have value just by being women, and being not hideously ugly or fat. Whereas male value comes from being both genetically gifted, and working hard to build and maintain that attractiveness. So the OP could be restated as "I wish I was the 50% of the population that didn't have to work to be attractive and popular".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:56 PM
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Protect from what? You think we all live in the middle of an action movie where we get to show off our sick martial arts moves all the time? If I get attacked, I'm not going to fair that much better than a woman. Sure I'm bigger and stronger, but I can still be shot and stabbed just as easily. If it ever happens I'm myself and whoever I'm with the fuck out of there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:12 PM
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Exactly. Being selective is a privilege you have from lots of options. Yes all those men they can fuck at a whim won't make good partners. Yes they won't love and cherish all of them, and visa versa. But they get to sort through those hundreds of options for "the one". Most men get to sort through 2 or three options at a time, at the most. Being beaten down to the point that you'll accept whatever scraps come your way isn't a privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:28 AM
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Hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:02 AM
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There's an idea here that men don't get to actually get down and dirty and actually do stuff with their hands. And that does play a role in attraction, and confidence and all that. But you're way overstating how much of an effect it has. Plenty of people lift heavy things all the time. You ever see the girls at your work get all flustered when they see the delivery guys come in with a big heavy package?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:01 AM
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The homeless problem is a huge part of it. If you can't walk down the street without seeing a wackjob a day then you're going to be worried that a stranger is going to be one. No matter how unlikely that is, it will always be easier to just not take the risk. Not to mention you don't want people thinking you're one of them. If only weirdos have the delusional confidence to talk to random people in public, then you want to look like a weirdo, do you? No, you shut the fuck up, avoid eye contact, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 05:27 PM
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Early 30s. Work with and hang out with people of all ages. But median age of my social circle is probably 24. I'm Australian, and from what I gathered things are basically the same as the American dating market, but with some more specific Australian cultural things. When I was younger I was really unattractive. Like no idea how to dress, groom, autistically socially awkward. Sometimes I never left the house, had no real hobbies besides video games. Didn't exercise, but naturally skinny. Now I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:29 PM
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Yeah, since then things have improved a lot. Thankfully as soon as lockdown was over I got a job that involved a lot of interacting with people. So I had no choice but to get back into being social again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:36 AM
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Yeah I've always wondered how some people have so much time and money to apparently always be out doing fun stuff. Rich families I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:44 AM
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I got really crazy during lockdown. I realised that most of my "friends" were just so because I work with them. We went from chatting, to just keeping in touch, to losing touch very quickly. The first few weeks were nice, but it got really difficult after that. When I first went back to work and started talking to people again, I felt like an awkward kid on my first day of school.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:41 AM
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It's not a coincidence that it started rising in 2008, the same year Facebook took off.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:43 AM
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There's not enough talk on The Algorithmtm Every bit of social media, online dating, youtube, everything all uses this algorithm. Designed to do little more than show you specifically tailored content, to exploit every psychological trick to get you to keep viewing ads, giving them data, and making them money. So much of the fucked up state of social media and online dating is because some executive analyst worked out they get a few fractions of a cent more revenue by mentally draining you like …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:30 AM
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I totally hear that. But do dating apps actually make that any better? At least you had at least one woman talking to you before. Now your odds are even worse. And you're constantly messaging without a single response. That's got to kill your self esteem even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:20 AM
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I feel like there's good reason to make that kind of behaviour illegal, regardless of what you agree to in the terms and conditions. It's basically false advertising. Granted I don't ever see it happening. No politician is going to propose it. They'd be laughed off stage for suggesting they need to stop lonely horny men from being scammed. Although there was literally a documentary and upcry about women being scammed. It would kill these businesses overnight. But that's for the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:14 AM
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If you already don't have any problems talking to women then this advice isn't for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:09 PM
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Okay, find one of those places. Get a job, or volunteer at a place, or take classes where women are literally forced to interact with you. Then you'll probably realise they don't despise your presence as much as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:30 PM
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Baby steps. First get the opportunities. Then learn to not fuck up those opportunities. Then repeat until things go right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:28 PM
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Well yeah, that's why you have to learn to talk to them, if you're only used to talking to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:26 PM
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Of course it is. If your relationship gives her nice vacations, fancy clothes, access to the best clubs and parties, she's going to be way more hesitant to leave those.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:44 AM
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The whole "make a move bro" thing kind of assumes we don't know when someone isn't interested. I'm not going to make a move with someone who seems to talk to me only when I talk to her first, and treats every interaction like she wants to end it as soon as it's polite to do so. When I have made a move, it's when she makes it real obvious. She gravitates towards me, makes an effort to smile and make eye contact when we pass, touches my arm, seems really engrossed in conversation, laughs at jokes …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 05:40 AM
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Lol, yeah, because people are so just and rational, and never let their preconceived notions colour their views. Come on dude, just take one look at the misandrists around here, or FDS if you don't want to look far. Try to pretend the way you word things matters to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:36 PM
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Lol, no. If only we lived in that just world you believe in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:24 AM
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And trust me when I say there is no better feeling than telling a female friend about some dating problems with a girl and her completely backing you up and agreeing how awful that chick is 🤣 the type of gassing up and support women do is just different and often unconditional (with TRUE friendships). And I don’t see why any guy (ESPECIALLY young men) couldn’t benefit from this. YMMV. You can tell your friends about your dating woes, and they can say "Forget about her, she sounds like a bitch, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:30 AM
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A post wall woman knows she doesn't have a lot of chances left to make this work. Her next relationship needs to be the one she finally settles down with. Because if this one fails, she's going have an even harder time in her 40s. She has more sunk costs, more regrets to make up for, more friends that are happily married, that she has to try to show up. She's going to be extra selective because now she can't afford to take risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:01 AM
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This question again... Women need an attractive man, and that cannot be negotiated. Attractive in height, income, social status, and appearance. But attractive men are rarer than attractive women. So these women will drastically lower every other standard in order to find that attractive man. They can easily find a man who treats her right, has good hygiene, doesn't lie about who he is. Whatever blue pill morality virtuous standard women claim they have, there are tonnes of willing men like that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:27 AM
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That's basically how I was when I tried them. It was basically a cycle. I'd get depressed, lonely, and desperate, and try some dating apps. Then I quickly realise how futile it is, and delete them. Then try again about 3 or 4 more times before I just decided to give up altogether. I didn't even do that badly on them. I got matches. Many even spoke to me first, which I'm told is a real rarity. I can't imagine how much worse it would feel for those that get zero matches, zero replies, even after h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:38 AM
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For some it's just a last resort. I get why people might try to do so from desperation. I did, and I stopped almost immediately once I saw it was just beating my head against a wall. But why do so many guys stay on these sites? I don't know. Maybe they're gluttons for punishment. Maybe they just enjoy harassing women on them, even without results. Maybe they're just too socially clueless to know when to throw in the towel.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 05:06 AM
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What role do you think the wife has in squashing this strike? Maybe OP didn't make it clear, but if the wife can pressure someone into giving up their well-being in favour of their pay check, then there's something very wrong there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 05:00 AM
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I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with just being along for the ride in life. If that's actually what you want. But if you want to a be a strong, go getting career woman, with a perfect husband, and avoid all the risk and vulnerabilities women face, you simply can't do that while sitting back and letting life just come to you. You have to step up and take control.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:57 AM
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Yeah, if you go to a gym wearing nothing but a sports bra, and one of those yoga pants specifically tailored to go up your crack, you want people to look. Still, follow the George Constanza rule, and know she's not doing it for you specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:02 AM
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The most successful men assume everyone is fitting, and don't give a fuck if they're wrong. And that's not a bad approach, but a lot of guys are very risk averse to being perceived as creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:29 AM
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You joke, but that's basically what happened with the girl who accused Aziz Ansari in the whole #MeToo movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:25 AM
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Red pill talks a lot about how women fail to be self aware of their attraction dynamics. Hamstering, solipsism, feminine imperative ect. For a woman to be red pilled would mean being able to actively solve problems, at a certain cost. The magic isn't real when you've pulled back the curtain. Being in denial or ignorance of it all has its benefits too. Without control you more surprises, more adventure. You get whisked off your feat, so to speak. But lack of control means more risk. You're just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:21 AM
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Compliments and flattery are from the halo effect, and that doesn't mean it's fake. Most of the time these compliments aren't lies. They're very real, it's just there aren't the barriers against giving compliments. If you're a man, women don't want to compliment because they don't want to be perceived as flirting. Men don't want to compliment, because they don't want to give you a compeditive edge. For an attractive person, people will stop and pay attention to whatever you're doing. You build s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:53 AM
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It sounds like you don't like any man ever attempting to talk to a woman ever. Why so hostile?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:34 AM
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This right here is the other main reason. Women don't like to think of themselves as this sort of primitive instinct driven animal. They want to believe they act and love based on substantial, intellectual, higher minded reasons. The idea that there are cheat codes to women's attraction is dehumanising to them. They don't want to think they can be manipulated like that. The idea that anything they've ever felt for a man was based on triggers no more complex than a peahen attracted to a peacock's…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:28 AM
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It sounds great for you to be able to pick from your coworkers, who are forced to be around you. But there's one major flaw with this. Women don't have the same limitation! You can look around the office and say you're a catch, compared to everyone there. But if the women look around, and don't like what they see, they go to a club, or pull out Tinder. Hell, this doesn't even have to happen at work. This happens in class, in friend groups. OLD is just too good an escape hatch for them to pass up…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 03:00 AM
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You're so simplistic. You know you can get favours from friends without using them for those favours?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:17 PM
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Lol, it's "Hot buff bodies" not "groovy bodacious babes".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 02:43 PM
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Look at your own phrasing. "Physically fit", "improve your fitness", because saying "Hot buff bodies" is too harsh? Too much to the point? That alone should tell you how avoidant the western world is to actually tell men how to be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:20 PM
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If it's the study I'm thinking of, it only had broad categories of online, bars and clubs, workplace, and friends. So friends probably covers a much broader category of parties and other social gatherings, regular friend groups, and possibly hobby clubs as well. So I'd guess a much much fewer are the standard friends setting up other friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:06 AM
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Lol, never had a friend invite you to a party, recommend you for a job, let you crash on their couch? I guess you're just using them for that, and you're not a real friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:18 AM
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What kind of friends do you have that would blame you if their relationship didn't work out?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:11 AM
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Lol, when I was younger and a virgin I was never told to hit the gym. When I did start working out of my own accord, I was told I shouldn't because girls don't find that attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 02:09 AM
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Praise: Call it what you will, men receive little to no compliments or appreciation. Even for doing some pretty amazing things. Take that away from women, and they're going to notice the extreme lack of validation. Friends: The ease that women make friends can almost be frightening. Easy to see from the outside. Men can work together for literally years while barely knowing each other. Protection: YMMV. Some people say no one will believe them, or blame them. Some men say their lives were ruined…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:59 AM
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I'm gonna be honest, I think women have it a lot easier here in the first world. If you put us in a body switch scenario, like The Hot Chick or whatever, most men would get on a lot better than most women would. Or at least I would. Totally open to this being a grass is greener fallacy, and invite any woman to share their own ideas of how this would go down. All the praise and compliments. Think of how more motivated I would be if I could get a cheering audience for my hobbies, instead of a coup…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:19 PM
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When the whole dad bods thing started it was about Kevin James figures. Now when you google "dad bods" it comes up with Jason Mamoa when he's not on a cutting routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:50 AM
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Those are things that are fixed with experience. If you go out regularly, talk to people, drink with people, do social activities, you'll get used to it, and be a lot less anxious about it. But if you go out once every two months as a courtesy invite, and when you do no one wants to talk with you, you'll continue to find those activities awkward and nerve wracking.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:02 AM
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I think women are more educated in how to be attractive. Targeted beauty products and services, girly magazines, the general message of the importance of being pretty for a woman. Men can do wonders with some proper grooming. Not just a monthly haircut, but some eyebrow tweezing, moisturising, a bit of concealing make up on those blemishes. But we're also taught that's feminine, and should be avoided if you're a real man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:58 AM
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For the most part, yes. But when most people talk about or hear "personality" they think base personality traits. It's why you hear things like "I'm nice and friendly, Chad's an asshole, so personality doesn't matter!" From an autistic perspective, the way people treat you is based on the most minute traits, that most people aren't even consciously aware of. Like I said, little things in the way I talk, dress, move, that give people a vibe that I'm off in some way. And I've seen the difference w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:50 AM
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Do any women actually like dad bods? I've always seen that as some virtue signalling rather than what they're actually attracted to. I'll believe women actually like dad bods when chick flicks put Chubby Jonah Hill as the lead, instead of Matthew McConaughey.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 04:05 AM
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Asshole + Attractive = Abundance signal, and even more attractive. A hot asshole makes her think "this guy's got so much abundance that he can afford to be an asshole to everyone". Whereas even for an attractive guy compliance and consideration is a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 03:58 AM
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It's like looking for a job. Some people have great resumes, with lots of experience, and lots of qualifications. They get call backs almost immediately, and then keep pushing through interviews until they find something. Others have poor experience and qualifications. They send resume after resume, and no callbacks, no interviews. The former group thinks it's easy and fair. Just send out your resume and get a job bro. The latter group thinks the market sucks because they've seen how it unfairly…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:36 AM
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I'm attractive enough. Plenty of girls I've hooked up with have said I'm very attractive. I work out, and have a good gym body. I have a bunch of very interesting and unique hobbies and skills. I'm very smart and can make good conversation about a lot of interesting topics. But...I'm on the autistic spectrum. Pretty high functioning, so much so that most wouldn't assume I am. But I'm a bit off in most ways. The way I speak, act, move, dress. That good conversation is true, but it's limited to us…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:49 AM
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Jesus, did your parents dump you in the woods as a child so you can be raised by wolves? I guess blue pill can run so deep that they don't even like the idea of raising children. At least if those children happen to be boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:54 AM
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Do you think the men you worked with in IT had male role models to teach them about life, women, dating, and so on?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:34 AM
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There was once a thread here asking women what they would do to help their sons who struggle in dating. At least half of them said something to the effect of "who cares, that's the father's job". So, yeah, if they don't think they should bother teaching boys to become men, why should we think otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:39 AM
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Who their right mind could deny this? Yes boys need teachers, gurus, father figures that teach them how to be a man. Do people think the myriad of skills needed to navigate the world just happen on their own?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:33 AM
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This has potential, but I can't agree. For starters, plenty of messed up people get into relationships. Possibly even more so. Mr and Mrs. Sensible decide they need to take their time, vet their partners, like quiet nights in. They pass each other by, staying single for longer. After they do find someone, and it's time for that relationship to end, they do so quicker and cleaner, because they know it's for the best. Mr and Mrs. Messed Up go out drinking, drugging, and clubbing all the time. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 03:18 AM
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Yeah. Woman preach that all men are perverts and rapists, they only want one thing, never be alone with a man because he'll try something on you ect. ect. They just act oblivious because it's beneficial to them. At best, it makes them feel better if they're not the recipient of unrequited affection. At worst, they get to take advantage of men's attraction while denying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 03:03 AM
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This is blue pill thinking. The idea that you have to choose between meaningful relationships where she wants you for who you really are, and shallow casual flings where she only wants you for your hot body. No. Just no. Hot guys get more meaningful relationships, or at least the potential for one. Because if someone thinks you're hot, she's actually going to care about you, and who you really are. But if she doesn't, well, those tasty divorce bucks are going to look a lot more attractive than y…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:34 PM
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All the red flags for cluster B personality disorders. The main ones I've seen: Cutesy child like attitude. Usually as a way to hide her true self, which is far less pleasant. A series of long sob stories about how everyone has mistreated her. First, if you run into assholes all day, you're probably the asshole. Second, unbeknownst to you she's using this sympathy to pay for special treatment from you, including having you put up with abuse. History of self harm, drug addiction, anorexia. Just n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:48 AM
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Be attractive. Have enough social clout that she doesn't mind if word gets out. She doesn't want people to think she's a slut, but if they do she'd rather it be with someone hot and popular. Be unavailable, emotionally and sexually. For one reason or another she doesn't want someone close to her. Maybe intimacy issues, maybe past trauma with men, maybe saving a ring finger for someone more beta buxxy. Whatever the reason, she wants to keep the relationship as distant as she wants, and doesn't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:36 AM
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Yes. Also a huge amount of other personal problems would improve as well. Social media has magnified almost everything shallow, neurotic, and selfish about how we interact. And I challenge anyone to tell me a way it's improved anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:23 AM
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It's just double think. Most men aren't attractive enough, and those men just aren't considered when it comes to anything to do with sex or dating. They also want to appear moral, and victimised. So they pretend they're the ones being let down by the market, rather than the ones dictating it. What else are they going to do? Say they reject 20 men a day because they don't measure up? Times 10 if using tinder? That would make them look bitchy as hell!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:19 AM
3

Yes, men try to be attractive for you, and want you to notice them...That must be very hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:49 AM
2

How many of those men are above average in every other department? It's pretty plain that if a guy is attractive enough they can get away with a lot. Even really terrible things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:06 PM
6

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Someone can't talk about troubles besides your own for 5 minutes?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 12:38 AM
3

So these guys have a bad career, poor personal habits, and do poorly in dating, and they're somehow also embraced by society?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 12:20 AM
10

You're describing the guys that get the most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 02:59 PM
3

In a perfect world. But that's not how it works in reality. There might be a handful of men that simply can't find their "niche", for women whom they're their type. But they're the minority of unsuccessful men. Most are just unattractive, in enough ways that make them unattractive to nearly all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 10:23 AM
4

Lol, kinda redundant isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 08:31 AM
5

Not a chance. How do you suppose a man can have a good career, good social life, good personal habits, and still be unsuccessful at dating? There aren't a lot of conceivable cases where you can have all four. Even the bloopers around here and FDS are fond of saying that all they want in a man is someone who has their shit together.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 07:55 AM
1

The internet magnifies everything bad, and not a lot of good. If you're in a bad mood, you can go to a forum of like minded people from all around the world. All of them sharing stories about all the horrible things that happen to them because of men, women, Chads, incels, republicans, liberals, whatever! All the world's stories of bad things happening condensed into one spot. If you don't meet people, and see that most people aren't actually like that, you think you're surrounded by monsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 03:10 AM
2

If you go walking down a dark street at night, you will might worry about getting mugged. It doesn't matter if you're the most interesting, charming person in the world. They want your money, and what other qualities you have doesn't make the slightest difference. Relationships can be the same. Or at least we worry they can be. We kinda know that people's emotions are irrational and fickle. Someone can get horny, or see dollar signs in their eyes, and decide they're going to get that at all cost…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 04:26 AM
2

Because groups of men plug their ears. We're telling you plainly "don't go out alone", go out with friends. Social proof is a very real phenomenon that automatically makes a man appear more trustworthy and likable. No one should be wandering the earth alone; we all need friends. A network of people who care about you so you don't fall through the cracks. This is the problem. It's not because that shy awkward loner might give you surprise anal. Nor is it because they're probably toxic, or potenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 05:00 AM
4

This is true. But it doesn't happen in a vacuum. I used to hate those kind of things, simply because I had nothing but bad experiences of them. It's easy to enjoy going out drinking and clubbing if you have a good time, meet new people, meet girls ect. But if you go out, get ignored, or get treated like an outcast or a creep, then obviously you're going to grow to hate those things. Now I enjoy them more, simply because I do them with better groups of people. And this didn't happen naturally. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:20 PM
2

Sounds great, but once you're out of college and living on your own, you're lucky if you can organise 6 people to do something once a fortnight.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 09:19 PM
5

Lol. If I were staunchly liberal, and regularly donating to the republican party, you'd say I was being a hypocrite. And that's putting it kindly. Rules for thee I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:35 AM
1

What exactly is your point with this thread? You acknowledge that's what women want, but claim it's not a high standard. It looks like you just don't acknowledge anything as being a "high" standard. Which is fine, I guess, because that's just subjective after all. But regardless of what you call it, most guys here feel they've been cornered out of the dating market by one or more petty things. An inch too short, 10k too little income, wrong race, wrong hobbies, not buff enough, not popular enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:16 AM
1

Would you approach if you didn't have to? There are tonnes of men who remain virgins because they're too scared to approach. What chance would most have if you didn't have to approach, and they could still land a partner? If I was blue I'd say you have to approach, regardless of gender, because you can't afford to miss someone who is compatible with you. You know, true love and all that. Of course even the bluest around here would say that's dumb. It's like an employer looking for an employee. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:54 AM
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Though their standards are higher, men also factor approachability into their attraction. And they do this entirely because they have to approach. So you look at girl, and think "nah, she'd never go for a guy like me". So you pick someone that's more your speed. If women did approach, they'd have to do the same, and realise their standards better. Incidently, this burden is another reason why women don't want to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:44 AM
1

Here tradies make a lot, often more so than white collar workers. High earning, combined with younger start in life, and a general rough and tough masculine culture means women flock to these men. Even smart, college educated women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 01:16 AM
2

It's mostly just a place to vent, or vocalise my thoughts and ideas. But sometimes you get some gems that confirm why the world can be so crazy sometimes. It's cathartic to hear directly from the horse's mouth that women don't care if their sons get girls, or would never be with someone without lots of money, or how deep rape paranoia goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:01 AM
4

Women respond to loneliness completely differently. Look at all the stories from women in dead bedroom relationships. When attraction fades, she checks out. Her sex drive switches off, until someone attractive enters the picture. Unlike men, women aren't evolved to be the ones to actively seek out a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:14 PM
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Depends where you live. Here in Australia blue collar workers make a tonne of money, and start out way younger. So Billy Beta is still working his way through college when Stacy has shacked up with a guy who dropped out of high school to become a plumber.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:02 PM
1

The Brad Pitt test: If she gives you mixed signals, flakey responses ect. Ask yourself "would she do the same if I were Brad Pitt?" She might not text Brad Pitt back right away if she were in the middle of a busy day at work, and she needed time to form a half decent response. She's not going to leave Brad Pitt on read overnight while you see her log on and off Facebook, and then tell him she can't come out Saturday because she has to trim her cat's fingernails.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:21 AM
2

Of course they are, because look at all the things encouraging them to be. She has 5000 friends on social media, showing off every way they're better than her. She needs to worry about how you're going to make her look to them. You have to measure up to all the men on tinder she thinks she has a shot with. If she can rise above that, you still have to contend with what her friends think. A bunch of bitter broken hearteds are going to tell her everything is a red flag, and she needs to dump you f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 04:16 AM
2

Oh please. You really think the men in these lonely subs are only after a pump and dump? They want relationships, most more so than sex. Pretending otherwise is just sidestepping the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 05:36 PM
1

I could also get hit by a car when I cross the street, or get stabbed when walking home at night, or get eaten by a shark at the beach. But I sure as hell am still going to drive cars, walk at night, go swimming, talk to men, and pet a dog if he looks like a good boy. You can't have life with zero risk, and it's paranoid as hell to think you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 10:03 AM
0

No. You know very well most men you know will never lay a hand on a woman. But for whatever reason, those men don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 04:44 AM
2

And this is why that paranoia exists. You pick from the worst that you know from both real life and media, and assume that's the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 03:28 AM
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It's common to girls here. Because that's why girls come here. But in the real world, it's rare. Your experience is probably the worst most women experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 03:05 AM
2

Very few.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 02:31 AM
2

Yeah, of course people still want to drink and have fun. They'll just do it in safe spaces, near bouncers, cops, and other people that make assault perceivably harder. Have you been living under a rock? The cops practically went to war with hippies who wanted them to be defunded. And the equipment they went to war with aint cheep.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 02:26 AM
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Lol, like you can't be given advice based on paranoia? And yeah, it makes money. Unless you somehow think bars and clubs don't make money. Or that people don't watch the news more when it tells you things to be scared of. Or that people don't vote to fund already bloated police forces when they think they have something to protect you from.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 01:31 AM
2

r/short. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:52 PM
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Nah, it's not common, it's just paranoia, sold by the media, and the few radicals who have actually been assaulted. A means of portraying men as boogiemen, because fear sells, misery loves company, and people make more money if you're buying drinks at a bar than six packs at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:50 PM
3

That's dumb. You can't starve yourself into being tall, like you can for being thin. If you could, you'd bet your ass half the men in the world would do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:41 PM
1

My sister is insane, like the rest of my family. So not only did it not help in talking to women, it gave me a very bad view of women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:37 PM
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I don't know how you can't see how this solves your problem. Desire something rare in men -> seek men with those traits -> have better odds of finding these men. You know you can get to know men before asking them out right? Most men don't just go up to strangers and ask them out straight up. And your problem is actually really easily solvable. It should be really obvious to tell if someone likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:16 PM
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How many of these women are damaged in some way? I ask that sincerely. A lot of women around here talk about pasts of rape, physical abuse, and all sorts of attrocities that have coloured their view of men. If your choice to be alone is because you're so overcome with trauma, that you can't even bare to be close to a whole gender, I'd hardly call that the happier option.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:10 PM
0

What I'm reading from this is you don't want a man, you want a maid you don't have to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 07:05 PM
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This is probably the best example here of why women should approach, or at least be more adept at meeting men half way. You want something in men that most men don't provide, admittedly. If you wait for that man to approach you, you're going to cut out 95% of men from that alone. That means you need to find the men that have what you want, and approach them. Or at least close enough that they know clearly that you want them to approach you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:59 PM
4

1 and 2 are very important. The rest don't matter at all. Or even hurt your chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 06:41 PM
3

Autism spectrum, abusive and negligent upbringing, a bad start in life that's left me a lot to catch up on, and as the years go by that just gets harder and harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 08:59 AM
1

I work out, I dont have a six pack, but I have decent muscle definition, and I'm in good shape. My weight and muscle fluctuates because my schedule makes it difficult to commit to the gym constantly. I could be better. But in terms of physiques I'm easily in the top 5-10% of guys I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 05:30 PM
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Yes. She was fat, I was buff. I didn't know any other single girls, I knew she liked me, so I figured why not, what's the worst that could happen. I kinda like chubby girls anyway, so I figured it wouldn't be too bad. But it was. She was just way too fat. As soon as her tits were out of her bra, they drooped to the floor. Her belly took up half the bed. I couldn't find anything I was actually turned on about. She got off, I didn't, both of us felt dirty afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 01:28 AM
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When a woman refers to average men, she meens average men she knows. She knows men that are in her social circle. That means men that are boyfriends of her friends, or men that are attractive enough for her to want to be around. In other words, she means average men among attractive men have no dating woes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 01:21 AM
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No, I haven't been raped. I've been abused in other ways, from all sorts of crazy women. I don't demand references, and refuse to be around someone without one because of it. I just use my eyes, ears, and brain to judge their character. I know why you do what you do. You don't want to be around a loaded gun, even if the odds are low. That doesn't change the fact that it's paranoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:45 PM
2

That's a pretty paranoid attitude. Understandable because of the trauma, but paranoid. I've been mistreated by more than a few women, but I don't avoid women because I fear they'll do the same. I vet them appropriately, and know how to defend myself against them if something does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:29 PM
1

I'm not blaming any victims. I'm pointing out the obvious fact that approaching someone isn't a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:13 PM
1

No one wants to admit weakness or fear. Especially in a place like this. But yeah, it's a huge motivator. I would even go as far as saying attraction for men that approach is just an extension of that fear. Sort of like an appreciation for taking that weight of her shoulders.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:03 PM
3

Literally every aspect of vetting a potential rapist can be done for someone you approach, as it can for those that approach you. More so in fact, because you have the control of who you do and don't want close to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:01 PM
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You know you can also get raped by someone you don't approach right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:54 PM
1

Obviously this is true. You have more control, more options, potentially better results. But they don't, and they're not going to. Because it's scary to put yourself on the line like that, and they have the option not to. And that's really the only reason. There other benefits for sure. Like being attracted to confidence and enjoying the chase. But those are nothing, compared to the fear of approaching. If men had the option of taking that path of least resistance, we would too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:34 PM
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Jesus christ. How do you get from "approach guys", to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:22 PM
2

You're acting like people don't enjoy doing those other activities. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that divides those "fun" activities from "lonely and boring" ones, is that girls like doing one and not the other. And that's only because girls are as a majority extroverted, attention seeking, and kind of distrust private gatherings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 12:35 AM
2

That is what you should do. But it's also what anyone should do, regardless of size, strength, and gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 10:26 AM
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It's a single reddit comment. How much can it subdivide and discuss? Is your issue that they didn't mention mutual abuse? Perhaps, but this is not, nor did it ever claim to be a full thesis on the problem. And if you had something more in depth to add, maybe you should have added that, instead of redundantly stating men can be abusive too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:12 AM
3

Why do you assume that when someone mentions a problem in society, they are implying it's the only problem in society?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:06 AM
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There are countless discussions, and publicity campaigns, and legal systems, and political movements, addressing men abusing women. Don't act hurt because it's not mentioned in one specific comment on women abusing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:05 AM
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Do you expect every mention of abuse to come with a disclaimer that the other gender can be abusive too?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:53 AM
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Yes, men can be abusive. No one denies that. So why bring it up as if it justifies or lessens abusive women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:52 AM
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I'd like to ask what anyone thinks a bigger and stronger man can do to prevent this sort of abuse. Fight back and hit her back harder? Obviously out of the question, even if it were physical and not emotional abuse. He'd be locked up for sure. Physically restrain her? Even that would be considered assault, unless she was doing something very harmful. And again, only works against physical and not emotional. And you'd still have a tough time convincing a judge that it was legally justified. Emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:46 AM
5

Look at any stories of people living with BPD women. Whether it's children with BPD mothers, or men with BPD partners. The things they do, and the lengths they go through to hide these things are insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:29 AM
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Nowhere did she mention that it's solely women to men. Stop thinking so black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:27 AM
2

You miss the point. A man can and does guage a woman's interest before asking her out. A woman can do the same, hypothetically. Probably better so, because men are way less subtle in showing interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 03:34 PM
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I honestly wouldn't see the problem with that. If a woman asked "Would he treat me like that if I was some gorgeous supermodel", and the answer was no, then he probably isn't that into her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 03:31 PM
-2

If she didn't like it. The problem is a lot of the time she did like it, she did it a lot, and it's not a coincidence that she's changed her ways only after dating someone less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 12:16 AM
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The Brad Pitt Test: If she flakes on a date, strings you along, or does anything that makes you question if she is or isn't into you. You ask the question "Would she do the same if you were Brad Pitt?" If the answer is no, she's not interested enough to make it worth the time, and you move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:06 PM
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There's a flip side to this. A man has to guage a woman's interest before asking a girl out. She could do the same if she was concerned about the men she approaches not being interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 11:00 PM
1

And yet when it comes to domestic abuse and other false accusations, everyone thinks they're angels who can do no wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:11 PM
2

I've made a lot of improvements to myself throughout my life. And each and every time it pissed people off. Whether it's getting buff, having better hobbies, being happy after being depressed, getting into a relationship. Boys who were your friends stop talking to you. Girls who you crushed on start treating you coldly. People try to pull you back down. Social heirarchies are sensative. If people get content with you being bellow them in the social heirarchy, and you start threatening that posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:08 PM
4

It's the implication of effortless and permenant. A man who had to build himself could potentially lose it, and needs to continue putting in effort to maintain it. A man who "just has it" will perceptably always have it, as will his children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:01 PM
1

Those are good questions. The biggest mistake most women make in choosing men is taking a totally passive role. Sitting back, waiting to be approached, and selecting from those. And then that selection is usually based on immediate feelings and first impressions. There was an article shared around here not long ago about "the spark", and how it's destroying women's prospects in dating. This would be fine, if women weren't too picky about who they choose. But women have a laundry list of complain…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 04:38 AM
1

Male compeditiveness tends to be more obvious and cruder for younger guys, in teens and 20s. But it does happen with older guys too, just more subtle. It's harder to describe as precisely as it is with younger guys, but I've seen this compeditive edge from married guys well into their 40s. Women's approach to relationships is a big topic. Was there anything more specific you wanted to talk about?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 03:47 PM
1

A lot of women struggle in relationships. Either difficulty in finding them, or being in bad relationships. You see this around here, and in real life. In each case, it's obvious from the outside what she's doing wrong, but she has a completely wrong idea of her own part in her problem. Whether out of nature or out of training, women do not look at relationships in rational, analytical ways. Ways that solve problems. They look in terms of compatible personalities, communication or lack thereof, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:25 PM
1

About which part?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 12:49 PM
10

You're forgetting one: It creates a sense of urgency. If she sees you with other girls, she needs to snatch you up before they do. If she doesn't, then she has all the time in the world to make her move. You'll be there waiting when she gets round to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 07:41 AM
8

This is probably it. If they were more attractive and confident their sleeziness and doting wouldn't be that big a deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:44 AM
1

BPDs start off as being something else, almost too good to be true. They're happy, bubbly, filled with positive energy. They throw love and affection all over you. They like all the things you like, you think you've found your soulmate. And they have wild sexual appetites. Then once you've settled, the crazy comes out. All that stuff goes away. You're left with a shrill harpy, who's a completely different person to the one you fell in love with. You go crazy wondering why no one else can see the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:07 AM
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Ultimately that seems to be it. From what OP describes, nothing stands out as being deal breakers for women. The desperation and sleeziness isn't great, but we all know guys that have done worse despite that. There's probably something about these two that OP can't properly put into words. How they talk to girls to seal the deal, how they hold themselves, their conversation skills. I dunno, there isn't much to go on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 12:59 AM
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I want women to be more self aware about everything relationship based, and stop hamstering the truth away. So many of a woman's bad relationships, struggles with dating, ect. Could be fixed if she could take a little bit of introspection to figure out how her own feelings and desires cause that. I want men to be way less compeditive when women are concerned. The way best friends can just turn on each other in a heartbeat once some pussy is on the line is insane and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 04:48 PM
1

Under what reformation system is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 12:29 PM
1

So what kind of reoffending rates are we talking, with good reformation systems?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 11:48 AM
1

That sounds like a way of saying criminals can be reformed, but you won't accept even a small risk they might reoffend, no matter the cost to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 10:17 AM
1

I don't think you see the point. The point is your question is asking something that has entire feilds of study in answers, and from an uncountable number of causes. Perhaps if you're just asking for general opinions and ideas, that would be fine. But to conclude that the only option is to isolate people indefinitely, because someone can't provide this answer in a reddit post, is very wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 08:42 AM
1

That's essentially asking how we reform all mental ailments. A difficult question, but I can't assume it's impossible. And I say that as having been close to numerous abusive people that would probably rather die than make a sincere effort to fix themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 07:16 AM
2

Changing scenery, meeting new people, and being around different crowds. Just being around shitty people makes you feel bad. You blame yourself, you hate yourself, you hate them. Then you meet some people that are normal, chill and you can actually be happy with. And you realise there's actually nothing wrong with you. If you do encounter bad people, you can shrug it off, because there are plenty of good people to replace them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 02:20 AM
2

Some people just aren't photogenic, even if they look alright in person. Some facial features look weird in a camera's focal length. Some skins look pasty or greasy under a flash. Some people just can't pose for a photo without making it look forced and unnatural.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 03:44 AM
3

I'm on the spectrum. My social skills have improved a lot over the years. I would honestly be surprised if anyone I work or hang out with knows I'm autistic, unless we're really close or I've told them. For dating, its made things a lot harder. I generally make good first impressions, because I'm attractive, well groomed, and hold myself well enough. But that initial spark quickly fades when they get to know me better, and see my more awkward side. Most of the girls I've dated are all over me on…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 04:35 AM
0

A perfect example of an emotional aversion to fixing the symptoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 01:11 AM
0

Because most people don't have trouble connecting causes and symptoms, or an emotional aversion to fixing those symptoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 12:35 AM
2

Who'da thought that people not having sex and relationships is related to other social problems...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 11:39 PM
2

Sex slavery / do nothing. Are those actually the only two options you can think of? That is the most black and white thinking I have ever heard. Didn't stop to consider mental health treatment and awareness, better work life balance, better education systems, better sports opportunities, awareness of social media and its effects, better socializing? And who said the government has to be the only one solving this problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 10:39 PM
4

TIL people being happyand functioning in society isn't a societal issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 03:29 AM
1

You ever taken antidepressents? It's probably the best you can do at "choosing" to be confident and happy. I was confident, vibrant, positive all the time. My social life didn't budge an inch. Confidence with social proof and attractiveness works great. Confidence without is just annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 03:09 AM
1

Intelligence doesn't matter. The money intelligence makes matters. No one wants to hear about how you engineer software. People want to hear about what you bought with all that software engineer money. Try living in a place where the dumbest people you know can make the same as a STEM graduate with a trade. Watch the actually smart girls flock to them. And then watch those girls turn blank once they actually start talking about the things they apparently study.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 03:02 AM
1

Thank you for sharing. It sounds like the whole culture of different ethnicities is very different there. Here the in group preference for other races is very heavy. Even as much as Cambodians and Vietnemese isolating from each other. A lot of them are also first generation immigrants, most moving here in their teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 03:32 AM
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Can I ask where you live where this is the norm? Here in Australia, we have a lot of immigrants. And they tend to form groups with each other. Asians, Indians, Italians, Muslims ect. all date each other. This lonely Indian being rejected for his race doesn't seem to happen much. Even some really straight up ugly dudes have wives. Indeed the opposite problem tends to be true for me, where I'm surrounded by women of other races, who only date within their race. I don't mean to invalidate your expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 01:33 PM
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What does that have to do with anything I just said?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 08:54 AM
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This would make sense if every woman were actually saving themselves for marraige, or at least toning down the carousel. But tonnes of them do loudly and proudly sleep around. And they're still just as picky over who they'd fuck. So obviously they don't care if they're slut shamed, but still hold to high standards. I don't think anyone cares what incels and manosphere types say about sluts. Least of all women. If anything they care about what their friends say: "You fucked the whole football tea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 02:05 AM
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It's funny. When they say they don't like man-children, I assumed they were talking about neckbeard types who live with their parents and play games all day. Yeah, obviously that's supper unattractive. But these guys have jobs, hobbies, friends. They're just not rich. Maybe if you're literally paying their way through life, then that would be pretty annoying. But if they're self sufficient enough to live a comfortable life, where they get to indulge their passions, then that's pretty admirable. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 10:49 AM
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No one expects you to look at every appearence trait, and find what you do and don't find attractive. Men don't do that, yet we know what we do and don't find hot. What should be obvious is the much more basic, much more shallow traits, that really call the shots. Height, wealth, job title, popularity, what your friends will think, preselection, toughness ect. ect. If it's obvious to us from the outside, it should be obvious to the person it's happening to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 10:11 AM
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You say that like it's some insane amount of effort to see what you're attracted to. It's not like men sit at home with charts of data analyses to come up with the conclusion that they like hot blondes with big tits. If they legitimately can't look at all the guys they've liked, and see what they have in common, and they legitimately find that too much effort...Well, let's just say that's not complimenting their intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 03:15 AM
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No. Men don't all crush on one Stacey, and forget every Becky exists. We see them all. We like them all. Even the painfully average ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 03:08 AM
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Not the OP, but it's clear that it's a business to make people the best of the best. Whether it's wearing nice clothes, going on vacations, having lots of tiktok followers, going to bars to attract girls. Someone makes money out of this. Over the years, what's "cool" has become more and more synonymous with wealth. Counter cultures like punks and hippies weren't spending enough on skateboards and tie dye, so they were replaced by instagrammers showing off every expensive meal, vacation, and clot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 03:04 AM
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As someone who's fallen for at least a couple BPDs, this isn't quite true. BPDs present a totally different image to their true self. They look fun, exciting, cutesy, happy, energetic, uplifting ect. But then they reveal their other personality of being bitchy, manipulative, selfish, cruel, and really dramatic. This isn't a thing of liking the good with the bad. It's liking the good, and being completely unaware of the bad until it's too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 02:50 AM
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Do you see the amount of guys that are openly "weird" or into weird stuff? Bingo. So many men are really into hobbies, interests, and activities that are really abnormal. Things that very few women like, and are often outright repulsed by. Essentially shooting themselves in the foot in dating. This is despite them having higher sex drives, and being thirstier. I know someone will claim some exception, but I can't think of a legitimate female equivelent to "gamer dorks", or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 02:45 AM
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That an extreme minority cannot be used to judge the majority...which should be obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 09:10 PM
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So no point then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 08:36 PM
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Your point being?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 08:25 PM
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Lol, and you think most men are murderers?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 08:14 PM
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Lol, you can't compare something a tiny minority of men do, to something nearly every woman does.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 07:42 PM
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Men are less emotional because they had to go out hunting, and fighting other tribes. Working together, thinking on your feet, and thinking analytically was life or death. Not just for them, but the tribe. Women are more emotional to keep them from doing those things. We already reproduce slowely. You don't want your baby carriers to go out doing dangerous things. So they stay scared, and stay safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 07:36 PM
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Social skills are super important. I've spent my whole life developing mine. I'm on the spectrum, so it doesn't come naturally. I can get to know someone, make good conversation, get signals of interest. Then an attractive guy comes up to her, says "ay, how ya doin?" And she lights up immediately in 5 seconds of knowing him. You go to a party or gathering. She sits at the other end of the table next to the attractive guy. You talk to her anyway, you get cordial responses, but she shuts down any …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 08:47 PM
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I say "I don't talk to my parents" and that usually shuts it down real quick. Most people don't get it without experiencing it themselves. The idea that family bonds aren't something that happens naturally, and they won't be built if you mistreat someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 03:05 AM
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Unquestionably alot. My mother has severe BPD. Verbally, physically, and psychologically abusive. Neglegent in every parenting obligation. Still completely batshit insane. I'm fully no contact with her or anyone else in my family. It fucked me up developmentally. And gave me a bad view of women in general. I'm very sensative to red flags for similar personality disorders. Life without her is easier and better than it's ever been. But I'm still left with all the pieces to pick up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 02:55 AM
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My opinions on women are very much red pill. They are based on the women I know in real life. They are nice, friendly, happy, normal women. They know me, love me (platonically), and presumably have nothing but nice things to say about me. But I'm still like decoration for them. They crush on the same guy at a time. That being the most tall, popular and attractive one around. If I hit the gym, they give me attention. If I don't, I get ignored. If Chad's around, I get ignored. If I don't approach …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 02:48 AM
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Conveniently not when they're talking about male privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:27 AM
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I just don't get how these women can't see how fallacious this is. These people make up literally less than 1% of the population, yet somehow it's applicable to all men? Are they unable to see that the vast majority of men get blasted in the ass by these guys just as much? Do they think all the dudes they see at the bus stop are hoarding Donald Trump's wealth? Or maybe they just delude themselves into thinking that the only thing stopping them from becoming one of these 0.01 percenters is a peni…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 04:12 AM
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How long have they been together? Did they meet up at a bar, or on tinder, where she just got the tingles for him right away? Or, and my money is on this one, did they meet up many years ago in high school or college? Most of the non-looksmatch couples I know fall into this boat. They got tother a long time ago, they've been together for years. There's nothing great about him, but nothing icky either. She can do way better, but that's not enough to go through the inconvenience of a break up. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:41 AM
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Realistically, I don't expect them to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:45 AM
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Yes. Usually first time we're in bed. It's not that hard, you just have to be half way attentive. The question is where are all these women finding only men that can't be attentive enough to find the clitoris.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 03:29 PM
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Look around. People are having that conversation with other men, and you can see exactly how that goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:43 PM
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The lack of sympathy for men isn't just restricted to women. Men are compeditive. They're more than happy to ignore those that struggle so they can take more spoils for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 05:14 AM
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You're describing me a few years ago. Great gym body, great cooking skills, a bunch of good hobbies. Didn't help. I was lonely, depressed, and stuck at home all the time. Now, I have lots of friends, get on great with girls, I'm always going out and doing stuff. I also go to the gym way less often, and don't cook much anymore. The only difference is I got in with a different crowd at a different job that actually goes out and does fun social stuff. My advice, is to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 05:12 AM
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A lot of people like to reframe their failures as not really wanting to succeed. A "you can't fire me, I quit" mentality to life. So I'm skeptical of anyone, male or female, that says they actually truly want to be alone. There are indeed advantages to being single, that must be sacrificed to have a relationship. There are lots of understandable reasons to fear being in a relationship. Such as past trauma relating to the opposite sex. And I would guess anyone that claims to be happy being alone,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 03:49 PM
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It can be harder. I'm on the spectrum, so it takes work for me to read social cues. It's easy enough in person. But online, there's no body language, tone of voice ect. to read. I don't know if I'm boring someone, making them cringe, if they're just being polite, or if they're actually genuinely interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 12:55 AM
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Are they? I've never seen a woman, even really unattractive women, go whole chunks of their lives without intimacy. Even those that have dry spells do so by choice. She gets approached, goes on dates, maybe even has casual sex. When it doesn't work out, she's the one that rejects them. But then she hamsters that away, and tries to paint the picture that she isn't totally in control of her own romantic situation. AND, she still gets driven nuts by the lonliness or perceived rejections. So don't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:30 PM
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I doubt it. They used to say that violent video games would make kids school shooters. Just like that never happened, I doubt we're going to see waves of rapes of women who are stuck in dryers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:05 PM
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That sounds pretty tame. Doing something for 15 minutes a day can't be that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 05:11 AM
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You can, but if porn is that much of a problem for someone, jerking off probably is too. And if jerking off once a day isn't a big deal, doing so with porn probably isn't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 04:01 AM
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The solution to all your problems isn't some puritanical absistence. Unless your problem is really destructive, and you know you don't have the self control to do things in moderation. If you're horny, you can jerk off. Despite what FDS or NoFap will tell you, women aren't going to magically smell that you haven't jerked off in the last week, and come running to jump your boner. People get horny. It's just biology. You could tell a fat person they wouldn't be fat if they had to run after a wilde…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 03:24 AM
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You're thinking way too much into this. Tattoos are just a fashion accessory, like everything else. They appeal in some crowds, and turn off in others. Granted there are some things to say about tattoos. Nothing says "I'm part of a clique" more than permentantly marking yourself for them. And we all know what being part of a tribe means for people and popularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 02:24 AM
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The lower incomes, relative to cost of living, is a huge factor. It drives people to become scared, and look for ways to elevate themselves out of it. So men are judged harshly on career and money, even by women who have the same. On top of that our western standard of living is quite high. And even with our economic woes, it's getting higher. In the 90s it was normal for people to drive old cars, and go on holiday maybe once every couple of years. But social media has elevated "keeping up with …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 05:52 AM
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HVM and LVM isn't "male nature". It's just bitching about men they don't like, and fantasizing about men they do. There's no FDS equivilent of war brides, hypergamy, hamstering, female solipsism ect. No insights into long term relationships, and why they succeed and fail. No analyses of the problems faced by women, and how to overcome them. No insights into human psychology that they don't teach in textbooks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 05:30 AM
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Though it does seem difficult, I don't think it's impossible. You can certainly do so in other things unrelated to attraction. I think for most there are other issues at the core of these high standards. For the women that are the subject of this article, they likely have high anxiety about sunk costs, buyers remorse, and narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 05:47 PM
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Why does lowering your standards have to be considered settling? I have low standards, and I'm still totally turned on by women most wouldn't consider that attractive, and I treat them well because of it. If you pick someone lower than your usual standards, and then go into a miserable dead bedroom with them, then realistically, you haven't actually lowered your standards. You just pretended to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:58 PM
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They do, but unlike men, they have a way out of it, by dating upwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:31 AM
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Lol, "case closed". Don't want to look any further than that, ay? Most men are just burnt out. Overworked, poorly paid, poorly socialised. And on top of the practical side, the stress doesn't make them feel attractive or confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:04 AM
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Yeah it was, scroll up and read more carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 02:08 AM
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...But that was my conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:50 AM
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Lol, what other conclusion could you possibly get from that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:46 AM
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Seven posts above this one. "No shit".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:41 AM
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Use your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:13 AM
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...But you said you agree. Weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:53 AM
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My point, which should be obvious, is that him claiming to not be looking for a girlfriend is irrelevent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:48 AM
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Do you think she'd feel the same if he didn't say he pretends to have a girlfriend? Imagine a post that said something like "Women don't talk to me, I just want to have some friendly chit chat, I'm not even looking for a girlfriend." Most women would read that and assume he's lying, and he is actually covertly flirting. And by the way, I do think the OP is looking to flirt, or at least practice flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:34 AM
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Lol, what kind of person thinks you don't have to interact with the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:35 AM
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Even a girl in the comments says she feels more relaxed by this guy. Even though he's just an internet stranger, and he openly admitted to lying about it to get girl's defences down.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:29 AM
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Of course they are. Men don't care if a woman's a little bit rough and tough. In fact it can be an advantage, as she can be "just one of the guys". Women do care if a straight man's effeminate. At best, you get ignored. At worst, it's a ticket straight to the friendzone. And that's just what it means regarding women. What men do to effeminate men is another atrocity altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:22 AM
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I have low social status, I don't have much of a social life outside of work, I have really niche hobbies that most women aren't into. And probably more than anything, I don't really know how to make a move, especially in cold approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:24 AM
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Lol. It's a regular complaint around here from girls that casual flings aren't attentive enough to them. No licking pussy, not doing the positions they like, bad with their fingers ect. Who would have thought that overconfident douchebags aren't all that attentive or passionate...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:19 AM
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Some TRP is. But at least there's a lot of good advice in there, without completely watering down the message. That is something FDS says. Like everything else on that sub, I don't know if they're joking or not. Which is another thing they have in common with incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:57 AM
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FDS stuff is weird and paranoid no matter how you slice it. How would you phrase "masturbation deforms your genitals" as something agreeable? The effort you'd have to go through to make FDS agreeable and rational is about what you'd have to go through to make r/incels the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:42 AM
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Is this even a question? Even all the people who disagree in this thread are just focusing on the two statements being slightly different. Of course it's agreeable, it just has to be sugar coated, and said outside a red pill context. I'm reminded of the recent thread where women were asked if they'd like an attractive guy who works a low status job, like retail. Nearly all said no. Not because they instinctively need to be provided for, or they want someone who can buy them nice things and take …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:14 AM
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So do you think that these men are getting hard ons over people they aren't attracted to? Most men actually have no problem being romantic, in theory. The problem is in practice it's actually weird and creepy, and dries women up like the Sahara. So we learn, sometimes the hard way, not to bother. A lot of unattractive women have never had this happen to them, so they have a rosey eyed view of what romantic gestures a man should do for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 05:00 AM
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How much more unattractive can I actually go? I like a lot of women most wouldn't call attractive. I have a thing for chubby girls. I don't get put off by awkward facial features or whatever. I find shyness charming. And I can tell you even their standards are not much lower than your average Stacy. Maybe I could go even lower. See if any morbidly obese, or physically deformed women are down to clown. But I wouldn't find that attractive at all, and that wouldn't be good for either of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:54 AM
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Do you legitimately believe men don't actually have low standards? It seems fair to say that if you someone gets you hard, you're attracted to them. Unless you think men are faking hard ons? On a side note, I have noticed that a lot of unattractive women have very high standards for romance. They live on romantic movies, and are sorely insulted when the man doesn't treat them the way Edward treats Bella or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:50 AM
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This describes my experience pretty well. On one hand, I'm pretty sure I'm attractive. When I do manage to hook up, they tell me I'm hot, without me having to fish for it or anything. I see some women looking at me like they're attracted. But, then I talk to other women and they give me the opposite signals. Either they give me the cold shoulder, or they act really put off, or they show attention to another guy the first time we're in a social setting. For a lot of men, they're really on their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:23 AM
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Men are getting worse, in comparison to women! Women find education easier, break into cushy jobs easier, and have no shame in taking money from their parents to get them through rocky patches, or just to have fun. These same women who coast through life think men are lame for trying and failing to achieve what they have. Or even using the same safety nets that they do, like parents or welfare. This is because women are still taught that men have it easy, and they're being victimized. So their m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 07:29 AM
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Lol, that line alone should tell OP a lot about women's standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 07:21 AM
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Tech, engineering, physics, computer science: Ewww, gross nerds, no thanks! Medicine: Omg, sexy doctors, sign me up!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 07:11 AM
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Because it's available for free everywhere. And I highly doubt anyone that pays for porn does so from the goodness of their hearts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 04:35 AM
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Jesus christ. You could hire a 15 high class prostitutes with that money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 04:33 AM
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The fact that anyone will pay for porn is weird enough. But then you see what these people are paying for. They pay for the camgirls to send them messages, compliment their pictures, do their best to act all flustered and happy by their creepy comments. At that point you're really better off just getting a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:38 AM
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There's nothing wrong with having low standards. The problem is those low standards causing men to act like they have no self respect. And the two are not the same thing. Finding an average girl attractive is fine. Throwing money at her twitch because she wears elf ears, so you can pretend you have a gamer gf, isn't fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:45 AM
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Maybe real, maybe imagined. Either way, it causes her to act like her time is short.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 12:53 AM
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She's overly desperate to find "the one". She knows her biological clock is ticking. She casts her net wide, but filters hard. If she can only have one man for the rest of her life, he better be perfect. She spends all her time on Tinder, goes on date after date. But she always finds something wrong with them. Eventually she gets burnt out enough to accept her limitations, and settles on someone good enough. But even then something's not right, and she accepts a frustrated relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 06:44 AM
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Men are thirsty and lonely. Therefore men will always be the targets of dating apps. Men will go on dating apps that give them a chance with women. Thus, women are the products of dating apps. If a dating app could reverse the male to female ratio, so there was 10 women for every man, then they would. And then they'd make men pay upfront for it. And they happily would. But such a thing isn't likely, barring some extreme filtering of men allowed on the app. Men will flock to dating apps because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 02:52 AM
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That's how spouse abuse works. One side can't get away for some reason. Either for financial reasons, because of kids, or just imagined psychological reasons. Abusers will take advantage of that dependence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:46 AM
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Why are so many so desperate to deny or downplay that women can abuse men? Is your thinking so black and white that you can't comprehend abusers of both genders?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:44 AM
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There are actually matchmaking services like that. But they're only available for the very rich, and they're probably the only matchmaking services where women outnumber men 200 to 1. Regardless, matchmaking dating apps don't work. They tried for years to sell apps that let you find the perfect partner, based on all your personality traits. But then Tinder came along and showed that compatible career paths, interests, star signs, favourite colours or whatever doesn't mean shit. All that matters …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 03:03 AM
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It's like that Justin Beiber looking like a random person at a gas station meme. When a woman calls a guy hot or cute, they're usually not just referring to his looks, but the whole package. Looks, wealth, status, charm, ect. They're just using words that only imply looks, because they're not self aware of what makes them attracted. They just see it as tingles = hot. On top of status, celebrities already have the girl's attention, and they have publicly known personas. Where we have to get her a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:24 AM
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Nope, you've got to mutually swipe right on each other to message.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 12:28 PM
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Lol, thanks for the chuckle. I'd be more interested to see what these women actually learnt from this ordeal. Are they aware that this is what online dating is like for men? Or even real life dating. Will these women approach dating differently, maybe trying to shoulder some of the effort in approaching? I get the feeling these women think it's just a Bumble thing, and men experience Tinder exactly the same way they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 12:27 PM
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You mean Tinder?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 12:16 PM
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Joining a club is cliche, but still decent advice. But there are some caveats. Even in many hobby clubs people don't socialise. They turn up, do their thing, exchange some pleasantries, and go home. Finding one where people do socialise in will take a bit of trial and error. They also still tend to be male dominated, maybe by 3 to 1 or more. As you said, women aren't as driven to meet men, nor anyone really. People want to join clubs because they're lonely and want to meet people, so they tend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:45 AM
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I agree. Having easy access to porn does have a huge effect on motivation. Not all that different from how we can eat ourselves to obesity, or get attention from our friends without meeting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 12:49 AM
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Does porn actually inflate a man's standards? I watch a lot of porn, and I'm still turned on by women others would describe as very average. I find it hard to believe that there are men out there turning down women, and staying alone, because she doesn't look like Riley Reid. What porn does do is deprive women of control, and that's what pisses them off. FDS types who think they can deprive men of sex until they give them what they want. Fantasizing about a world where men wait on them hand and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:20 AM
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Part of me thinks it would be nice to have a happy, normal life with a wife and kids and white picket fence. But then most of me thinks I have it so much easier than they do. All the time and freedom on my hands. All the things I like doing now that I'd never be able to do if I had to share my life with a family. I think the pressure to "settle down and have kids" is one of the dumbest things there is, that's only helped drive society to ruin. As if creating a new life and full time job for your…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 04:31 AM
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Oddly enough, the first part is exactly right. Most women can easily and effortlessly get attention from almost any man. And, they have problems in choosing the right man. But that probably means different things to me than it does to you. Most men absolutely are turned off by the things I mentioned. Being fat or shrill can be total deal breakers. Being older or having kids are minor flaws, but ones that too many women just don't know how to carry properly. Really, this is the advice that would …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:59 AM
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Process driven doesn't mean emotionless. It means following a process: be alone > become attractive > get women. As opposed to emotion driven: be alone > feel bad > say things to feel better, but stay alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:00 AM
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Those sound like nice things for a person to have. But, they're not an awful lot to do with dating. If your goal is to become a high value woman, that high value men want, I'd expect you to list the things that a high value man is attracted to, or wants to be in a relationship. It doesn't address the main reasons that women fail to find a man. It's also very vague, and I believe intentionally so. Designed so almost anyone can read it and think "omg, this is totally me!" It doesn't even have the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 08:03 AM
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i did a quick search and here is a post about stopping pickme behaviors (which assume would be equivalent to a man asking how to stop being a simp) Do you legitimately think that counts as dating advice? There's one paragraph at the end that says you should be high value, but nothing about how to be high value. It's all just things to make you more neurotic, which is exactly what turns men off: Don't feel good about attention from men, don't communicate your needs, don't like what men like, don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 03:14 AM
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FDS isn't about the dating market. The dating market is better than it ever has been for women. It's all about how men and women approach problems. Men are process driven. If we've been dumped, cheated on, or are lonely, TRP gives us the direct processes needed to attract women. It doesn't matter if you feel bad about it, you do what gets results. Women are emotion driven. They get burned by men, so they lash out, pump up their egos, tell themselves they're queens. FDS tells them all the things …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 01:19 AM
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It's not really thirst, just differences in what men find attractive. Men won't think "ewww, she's akward and weird, but I'm really desperate so I'll go for it anyway." We just don't hold women up to scrutiny the way they do to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 11:11 AM
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From what I hear and experience from gay men, they find a lot more men attractive than women do. It's just that men and women see attraction so differently. A woman will disregard the majority of men just from height, income, social status, and preselection. Whereas a man won't even consider those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:33 AM
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Honestly, that is very unlikely. You might be lucky enough to find a single woman that's single for the same reasons you are. But you'd probably find 10 times as many men. And most importantly, men and women are very unlikely to be single for the same reasons. Social awkwardness isn't going to hinder a woman like it does a man. Not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 02:52 AM
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I had an abusive BPD mother, and an abusive BPD ex. As well as at least one friend with BPD. All of which really fucked me up growing up. When I was younger, I did blame it on the entire gender. It was easier to just say it was a woman thing, rather than a mental illness thing. But now, I'm more nuanced. Most of the women I know are lovely people, and are nothing like my mother or my ex. But I'll always be extra weary. I get super turned off by any signs of cluster B personality disorders. I oft…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 12:19 AM
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He's nice, fun enough, and popular enough. She tells her friends she's dating him, and they go "awww, he's a nice guy, you two make such a cute couple". They got together in first year of college, and they've stayed together out of convenience since. She gets beta comfort from him. She knows she can control and lock him down, without worrying about him swinging to someone hotter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 06:42 AM
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Yeah, but I get the feeling OP is talking more about the awkward whiney type of insecure. Not the frustrated thin skinned asshole type.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 11:41 AM
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It signals weakness. That's all it really is. Tough, alpha men don't project insecurities. They have them, because like you said, everyone does. But they act like they don't care and they can roll with every punch. Meanwhile, weak men act like they're going into a funk every time something gets on their nerves. And that doesn't say much about your abilities to handle life's challenges. Women don't have to worry about that because it's just how the gender roles are. They get to show emotions as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 07:06 AM
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This chart says it's not that simple: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/20822/way-of-meeting-partner-heterosexual-us-couples/ OLD and bars are now where the majority of couples meet. Classes, friends, and family are now the minority, combined. Granted, I do think men would be better off getting off OLD, and trying their luck in person. For starters, because they're obviously not cut out for OLD. But also because they'll actually learn how to socialise and talk to women. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 08:09 PM
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I'm just gonna put asside amusing fact that OP thinks most men fail at dating by being an asshole once they get the woman's attention, and focus on the actual answer to the title question. Men fuck up online dating by massively outnumbering the women on it. Both by being on it when they have no business being there, and by scaring off girls who are on it. If you're not getting results, get the fuck off, and find somewhere else. Bars and classes might be tough, but at least there are more than 5%…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 04:12 AM
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Because women are picky. If you can get the top 10%, why bother with the top 10-20%?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 09:26 PM
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CMV posts start out as OP making a regular discussion, then the mods come and tag it CMV, Q4W, Q4M ect. This isn't a place for changing views. The viewpoints are just too divided, there isn't a middle ground that can be reached. If every top post is adding to the discussion, just keep it as discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 03:48 AM
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Currently, a women's dating strategy is just to filter. Find available men, filter the ones you don't like, until the perfect man is all that's left. And if that's the case, approaching is just too useful to pass up. You literally miss out on 90% of the options available to you if you don't. For young women, that might not be so bad. But for someone in their 30s, hoping to FDS their way to the perfect man while they're still young, you don't have a choice. It's a crazy world where even indirect …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:37 AM
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It seems to be a really common line around here that "You shouldn't get dating advice from your parents", as if everyone learns it from elsewhere. This is bullshit. At some point, you probably got lots of advice from your parents, even if it didn't directly involve dating. There are so many important character building things good parents do, that bad parents don't. And yes, more often than not, those good parent activities are done by the father. There was a thread some time ago asking women wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 02:34 AM
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Maybe, it depends. When I was younger I might have been turned off, and thought she should love me for who I am. But now, it's just the nature of the beast. Having someone attracted to you because you have money is no different than having any other "shallow" trait, like muscles or good grooming. But, there are limits. It depends on how she treated you or saw you before hand. If she was friendly and respectful towards me before wealth, then it would be fine. But if she ignored me, have me cold s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 03:52 AM
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As in if they like something, they don't show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 11:52 AM
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They don't want to tell a guy what to do, how to do it, ect. They think it's rude, or ruins the mood, or they think it's unsexy if the guy doesn't "just get it". They're not responsive to actual pleasure, and/or they fake their response. So the guy doesn't have a chance to actually read them, and respond accordingly. They select traits in men that discourage good lovers. Eg. Abundance, aloofness, narcissism. They don't actually know what they want, they just want a guy to figure it out for them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 10:07 AM
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Women are attractive, every guy wants to fuck them. If you're part of a hang out, or a party, or a group of friends, or whatever, you want women to come along just because they're women. Men don't have this inherit value. Even worse, you have inherit liability. You're competition for women. You cannot be welcomed into the tribe unless you can give more than you take.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:26 AM
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It's not the sex, as much as it's proof of love and attraction. If I had to draw an analogy, it would be like an employer cutting your pay, while telling you they value you as a family, and maybe giving a few pizzas every now and again. If she loves you, she wants you to be happy. More than that, she wants to have sex with you. It's not about the sex either. I'd take a single make out session with a girl who is attracted to me, over a hundred starfish fucks from a girl who isn't. I can get mysel…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 04:27 AM
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Your mother yells at you to clean your room, do your homework, or not spend all day playing video games. She does it because she knows it's for the best, and though it hurts you. But when it comes to giving you dating advice suddenly she cares about your feelings? Do you think girls, especially teenage girls, always rejected nicely? No. No one gives a damn about you and your feelings. They just don't know any better, because they lack the self awareness, and they don't want to think of themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:45 AM
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Lol. I'll give you Hunchback and Snow White. The rest are a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 07:17 AM
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I challenge you to find a somewhat popular piece of media from the 2000s to earlier that did not sell the blue pill narrative. When red pillers blame Disney, it's not literally Disney. It's just a symbol for popular, family friendly media, that sells a moral message. But really it's everything. Music, movies, cartoons, sitcoms. When I was younger, it all sold the idea of true love. You will find someone, you will love her. Because you love her, it's meant to be, and she will love you back. If sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:49 AM
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This is probably the best all round advice for women. I know a lot of women read "lower your standards" as "fuck a gross neckbeard who lives in his mother's basement". It doesn't. If you have a list of 10 criteria for men, then they can't all be dealbreakers. It's sad that most perpetually single women even raise their standards the longer they're single, as a desperate sunk cost fallacy. Especially when so many of those standards are directly contradictory to the sorts of relationships you want…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 11:13 PM
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Lol, either you live in an alternate reality, or you greatly underestimate what analyzing relationship dynamics means. Maybe you should have a read of TRP sidebar, to see what actual awareness of sexual dynamics and self improvement looks like. There's a reason FDS doesn't write analyses on dating and relationship dynamics, and how to get the best out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 06:00 AM
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Sounds awfully convenient. What about maintaining the relationship? What about how people change well into the relationship, and long past the vetting stage? And yes, what about changing people for the better. Because, as unlikely as you portray it as, people can actually improve? And let's not forget the most important thing that you can change: Your own failures and responsibilities in love and relationships. But as I said, that involves work and painful introspection. Even though it's the onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 01:26 AM
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Just vetting? If the problem is too many women divorce their husbands, wouldn't the solution be found somewhere in the long term relationship, rather than at the very beginning? But no. That would require analysis, self reflection, taking certain responsibilities, and having awareness of the full situation. That's what TRP teaches. FDS does not, because all those things run counter to the goal of pumping up the egos of bitter women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 04:06 PM
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Who says we don't want to get married and have LTRs? Most of us do. Or at least did, at one point. Remember, almost all of us started blue pill. We wanted to find the one, the true love, settle down, have a family, be happy. We didn't stop wanting those things, we just realised they're unattainable in today's SMP. We got bitter, and decided to go for the best we can get otherwise. I think even the most jaded of us still want to find a unicorn that tells us we're wrong about all of that. So we co…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 07:29 AM
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So what's the solution? Examine the causes of marraige failure and divorce? Look analytically at the long term relationship dynamics? Or just say it's because the husband took them on a coffee date and they waited less than a month for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:06 AM
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Lol, how did you get any of that from what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 02:58 AM
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Men aren't complicated. Be halfway attractive, don't be crazy and bitchy, and you can get almost any man you want. But FDS tries to twist the whole thing around in some insane power balance. Dumping memes and complaints to make you think you're so special, and pump up your ego. Being paranoid about chilling the fuck out and having fun, just in case you become a pick me girl. All while there's almost no assurance, even anecdotal, that any of this will work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:18 AM
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Though I see the previous poster's general point, you are right. It's not like women select based on what's best for society and civilization, or even what's most valuable within civilization. They select based on outward indicators of strength in hunter gatherer societies. Size, strenth, aggression, strong bone structures. Old kings were fat and ugly. Civilization wasn't built on men becoming rich and powerful to attract women. It was built on men becoming rich and powerful so they could take w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 12:05 PM
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I agree with the first half. But this is literally an anonymous message board. How could you get much safer? Yet, women still fervently deny truths about their nature. I believe safety is a factor in most of women's statements about dating. But it's not the main one. It's just part of their imperative that they remain solipsistic about their natures and desires. Otherwise it runs counter to their victim narrative, and implies too much responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 02:54 AM
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Lol. TRP is literally page after page of why you're not good enough, and how to be good enough. And somehow that's not taking responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 04:06 PM
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Right, because everyone only ever talks about work...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 06:20 AM
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I read that as a nicer way of saying your friends and family will look down on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 12:45 AM
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Men are still expected to be the provider, earn more, have higher career and social status, approach, buy the girl's attention, be the emotional rock. Obviously it would be hypocritical for me to want to share the burden without being willing to shoulder it myself. Although, honestly, not a lot comes to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 03:46 PM
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I'm liberal as hell, and red pilled. There are some elements to the red pill that are shared with conservativism. Namely, the idea of rugged individualism, and social darwinism. Some red pillers are traditional when it comes to sex and marraige. But "traditional" in that sense has been used for anything from nuclear families, to carrying women off as spoils of war. Personally, I don't really want any of that. I want women to be free to grow in the world. But I want them to take the burden from m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 02:15 PM
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Depends what "That" is, in the given context. Is it branch swinging, hypergamy, dead bedrooms, solipsism, divorce rape, personality disorders? Depending on what "That" refers to, it could be a minority that's only worth being cautious of, or there could be so few exceptions that they're not even worth considering.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 08:50 AM
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Congrats! Those are some great results. Working out makes an absolutely huge difference to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 02:21 PM
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Yeah, even when OP is only really referring to looks, attractive male personality traits still have the same narrow range. Which is a shame, because there are a lot of mental traits unsuccessful guys do excel at, and successful guys don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 03:40 AM
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I will say from experience this is kinda true. But only kinda, and certainly not for everyone. For me, I'm blessed in a lot of ways looks wise. But also hindered in other ways. Every once in a blue moon I'll encounter a girl that's turned on by my pros, and not turned off by my cons. So that's the part where I'll agree with the OP. But again, I'm blessed in a way most men are not. I'm not saying that to toot my own horn, it's just my honest assessment. The women that are attracted to me are stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 03:33 AM
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Though I agree with your sentiment, but it highlights a deeper issue. I wouldn't expect women to switch their attraction dynamics at the drop of a hat, just because they read some sob stories online. Although I do believe there are some things they could willingly change that would make a huge difference, but that's another discussion. But whether they can change their attraction dynamics shouldn't make them less sympathetic. There's nothing contradictory about being unable to change your attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 01:11 AM
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Maybe. If you can wing the interview, they probably won't know it until you're hired. Then, you can just kinda pick it up as you go. Most new hires are already pretty awkward, and open up as they go, so it's not a death sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 04:35 AM
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I have aspergers, so socializing absolutely does not come naturally to me. I've spent pretty much my whole adult life trying to learn social skills, and overcome my awkwardness. If I had to sum up the whole thing, it would be learn, practice, and self reflect. And almost none of that was easy. I started really reflecting on how I acted and came across to people. Thought about all the weird and awkward things I did. And doing that really hurt, like literally caused a mental breakdown. Then, once …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 04:34 AM
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To a point. The more lonely you are, the more likely you are to turn to pills, as a way to understand your lonliness. With the pandemic, we're not getting as much in person interaction. I went from being on friendly terms with everyone at work, girls included, to not speaking to a girl for months once we went into quarantine. It definitely did a number on my mental health, and I was pissed. For women, I'm not sure if and how that would drive them to FDS. It is known that FDS subscribers correlat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 03:38 AM
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VR porn is nice. You can get the tingles when you can feel the girl's face close to yours, as you do in real life. When I first watched VR porn I thought I'd never go back to 2D. But then the novelty wore off, the buzz doesn't matter as much, and I only break it out once every couple of months or so when I feel like watching something different. Unless we have fully realistic Matrix simulations, or Westworld style robots, we're never going to have the "Balanced SMP utopia" that incels claim we'l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 03:30 AM
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No. Men rarely grade women on a curve, the way women do with men. The only exception to this is when women are in extreme short supply. Like in a 95% male STEM field. In which case women can automatically add a couple of points to their attractiveness. Thin women are automatically attractive because they just are. It's just how women are built. A woman with average height, physique, and bone structure is still attractive, in a way that an average man is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 03:25 AM
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So you're frightened about turning 40, and being unattractive? Relax, 40's just a ballpark figure. Maybe you'll be attractive far longer, if you take care of yourself. Maybe you ruin yourself long before then. Everyone has a sexual prime. It's just how we're built. I wouldn't expect a woman to be attracted to an old man any more than I an old woman. You can rage about it all you want, but there's only so much you can do to control the biology of aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 04:15 PM
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I'm guessing you're well over 40? It sucks to age, I can only imagine. And it cannot be reversed, and only partially controlled. But you had 40 years under 40. As does everyone. Does every man get time at being 6ft plus, or well endowed, or having prime bone structure? I sympathize with your plight, lost time is a sad thing. But how many men do you suppose would trade 25 years of attractiveness based on BMI, for what they have now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 02:52 PM
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Kinda, except being "sexually attractive" is like 10 different points, most of which are entirely genetic and you have no control over. Unlike being fat which is very much controllable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 02:22 PM
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Both. Of course relationships require a bit of personality too, but unless you have some really serious personality flaws you're fine. You think most guys wouldn't be happy with a girlfriend who's average attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 05:33 AM
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Would it count if I've talked with other lonely dudes about why we're not able to get dates, and how to improve our situation? I've done that, and everyone is very receptive, they thank me for the advice, and start putting in effort to improve everything. Lol, joke. They shut down, insist everything's fine, they just want to do things their own way, and go back to whatever self depreciation habits they've always had. But what sort of advice would help a guy like me, and what would I want to hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 05:30 AM
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How to be attractive as a woman: Don't be fat. Be under 40. Both are negotiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 05:08 AM
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I'm starting to question why I even pursue all those things and am starting to wonder if nearly all of the past few years of getting sober, building wealth and improving my physique was a waste of time, especially given that i haven't had a date in years. Thanks for the reality check, appreciate it. I'm just gonna respond to this bit, because I totally hear ya! It can be tough grinding away like that, only to get nowhere. But here's the thing, it does at least get you somewhere. There are times …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 05:05 AM
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Depends. If women want to have lots of hot guys around to fuck, then yes, TRP benefits them. If they enjoy being part of the game; being chased, being fought over, being played with, then they benefit. If they want to maintain a power imbalance over men, lock down a beta, keep someone in orbit, not be bothered or hit on, then it doesn't benefit them. But that doesn't matter, because the pills are about how it benefits you!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 04:54 AM
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We'd see a lot more depressed women. A lot of women here are saying they'd be fine with it. And I believe them, just as a lot of men are fine with not getting attention. But these things don't exist in a vacuum. A women who's alone will still have intimacy between friends, compliments, sympathy, sources of easy validation. An alone man does not have these things. Even the women who say they already don't get validation due to being ugly, fat, or old, probably get a lot more than they realise. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 05:04 AM
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It would just be the same as it was before social media. Women no longer act to get followers, they just get the men they can attract in person. Men no longer advertise on social media to do what women want, they have to use personality. People would be shallow, they always will be, but it would be different. It's just that the shallowness would be based on what you can demonstrate in person, rather than what your social media demonstrates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:16 PM
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"Sorry, I discovered I'm actually not into blowjobs. It just took a few thousand of them for me to realise I don't like them. And it's just a coincidence that I made this discovery shortly after dating you."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 12:41 AM
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People's behaviour can influence attraction and emotional connections. But so can absolutely nothing. She can just get bored, and there's nothing you can do to change that. Or maybe there is something you can do. Maybe hitting the gym, standing up for yourself, and not letting her dictate the relationship will change things. But she's not going to tell you that. Emotions are fickle and irrational. That's why attributing relationship woes to emotional connections is an unsolvable dead end. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:48 AM
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I agree with this. When the woman has checked out of the relationship she doesn't want to think about why. It's red pill 101 that women are solipsistic about their own nature. So she comes up with a vague, catch all excuse of "lacking an emotional connection". She then tries to profit from her claimed emotional state. She'll take a love language test, and it turns out her's is gifts and acts of service. How convenient for her that love is synonomous to slave and walking wallet. Better get cracki…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 04:58 AM
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As a man, this makes it very difficult for me to know how I'm being perceived by the women I'm around. Do they think I'm handsome, ugly, fun, creepy? It reminds me of that handsome, 6'7, 27 yo incel story. Until he was swarmed with matches, he had no idea he was actually attractive. If I hit it hard at the gym, do my hair a particular way, talk and act a particular way, do they like it? I totally get why they don't compliment much. They don't want to give the guy the wrong idea, and risk having …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 02:35 AM
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A lot of people complain about the job market too. You might assume those people are just sad sacks who want to make an excuse for why they don't want to leave the couch. Or, they could be burnt out from sending out thirty resumes a week, sitting through dozens of interviews, and they just want to vent about their struggles. And guys that complain about the sexual marketplace are the same. Some of us do work hard at fixing ourselves, but we can also see that the game is rigged, and we don't like…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:40 PM
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The difference is simps are something to be pitied, not competed with. Women aren't turning down attractive men for a chance to get gifts from their instagram followers. But no man is going to turn down a girl who doesn't make him jump through hoops, for an FDS type.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 04:02 AM
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Bingo. You could probably spin the term to mean a bunch of legitimately bad things. But when I hear it from FDS I see it as a bunch of girls trying to manipulate the market, to create a female utopia, where men worship them to get a little bit of pussy. Then a bunch of non personality disordered women go and ruin that for them by giving it away for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 03:59 AM
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You've got to understand exactly how low the bar is for men when it comes to attraction and desperation. Go on a sex dating site, and look at all the butt ugly bush pigs who demand musclebound dudes with huge cocks. There was a physically deformed girl who had multiple normal looking dudes after her, just because she was the only single girl in a sea of desperate dudes. Myself included. There is a bar. I won't settle for a fat chick. Been there, and hated it. But you can fix fat. But if an ugly …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 01:49 PM
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Because abuse is drama, and drama is excitement. When you're with a crazy bitch, she'll start fights because she's bored. Then after those fights she wants makeup sex, because now she's all hot from the rush. Take that same girl and put her with a normal nice guy, and she gets bored. Sure, things are objectively nicer for her, but she's restless. She has no healthy coping mechanisms for restlessness. She's used to having sex to tame her beast of a man. But now she doesn't have one, so her libido…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 04:52 AM
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You know, I read a lot of red pill stuff, and I never read anything instructing people to do that. I seems like I did miss your point. I thought your point was what the red pill as actually about. You know; working out, grooming, taking care of yourself, not fawning over women, not building complacancy in your partner. Not some straw man of the red pill and dread game.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 08:04 AM
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I do actually see it is kinda sad when you can visibly see a lot of guys switch gears into loud douche bag mode as soon as a girl is around. But they do it because it's the only thing that works. It's crazy how you can be straight up invisible, like not even a little bit of eye contact, when you're not loud enough to draw attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:38 AM
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If that’s what you think I’m referring to you completely missed the point of the post. I'm all ears as to what you think the actual manipulative, abusive part of TRP is then. Because if that's all there is, then there's not a whole lot manipulative about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:15 AM
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You could date one person at a time, and remain exclusive until it's definitely called off. But then what if the other person doesn't do the same? Unless it becomes the norm to dedicate yourself to one person at a time, keeping your options open is the only rational thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 03:51 AM
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I struggle to see where the actual narcissistic abuse part of TRP is. I know that's what people say dread game is, but that's such a far cry from actual narcissistic abuse. "Your hot gym body, good grooming habits, sense of self discipline, and not putting me on a pedestal is manipulating me into fucking you! Grrr!". If women truly find dread game so manipulative and abuse, then they should understand its necessity, and remove it if they can. Women want men who other women want. If the only way …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 03:45 AM
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The general message of TRP classic wasn't that women shouldn't have casual sex. It was more like "Women are having casual sex, you can't stop that, but if you read on you can learn how you too can get a piece of that action".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 03:38 AM
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One thing I haven't seen brought up in this thread is how competitive socialising is when women are involved. You get one single girl in a group, and every guy will metaphorically beat their chest and try to get her attention. When that happens, simply being louder gives you a huge advantage. There are a lot of girls that I can have really interesting in depth conversations with when it's one on one. But when it's one on three, I become invisible, and lose out to just high social energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 01:25 AM
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As an also attractive introvert, I agree with this. A lot of women assume that I'm not interested when I don't immediately make a move. There was a thread here asking women how they feel when a guy doesn't respond to their advances. It was surprising how many of them assumed it was because they're not interested. Which is kind of insane from the opposite perspective. Why wouldn't they first assume he's just too shy, uncertain, or just waiting for a better time?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 01:21 AM
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There was a thread on here recently asking women what they do when they see an attractive guy. So many of them said they give eye contact, and that's their signal for him to approach. Which is just insane how little effort they put into approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 01:17 AM
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Not really relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 10:57 PM
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But you can fill your time in so many other ways. You could build something, play a game yourself, learn a skill, exercise. Are people so depressed that just watching someone else game is all they have to look forward to in a day?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 05:16 AM
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I agree. I don't care for sports, but you can't just pick up a ball and do the things these athletes are doing. That's the big difference to people who consume twitch streamers, reaction videos, let's plays ect. I honestly think it's a sad replacement for actual social involvement in your entertainment. People literally watching these things thinking "That's what it would be like if I played this game with a friend".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 05:13 AM
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I firmly believe that the effects of the 2008 crash were made much worse by the technology of the time. People had all these ways to entertain and occupy themselves for free, or very little money, at a time when everyone had little money. It became almost the financially responsible thing to stay at home and browse the net. At the same time, the greed for wealth became worse. Fear of poor economic times drives women to seek out wealthy men, to alleviate that fear. Subcultures like hippies and pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 04:54 AM
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If you can't tell then you shouldn't be here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 01:10 PM
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It's hard to say. Really, I just want things to be fairer. And that means making things better than they are for men. I want women to see that average means average, unstead of the top 20% being average, and the rest being losers. I want people to ease up on social media. Stop making your social and dating choices based on how a bunch of attention whores like to show off. Stop letting it skew your ideas of what average people are like. Stop thinking you need the best of the best because you're w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 03:32 AM
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The rationalization hamster. It's like Red Pill 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 03:04 AM
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It needs to be known that being stronger than someone doesn't mean you're immune from harm, as so many use that to justify female on male violence. Nor does being stronger mean that you're going to harm someone more. Women can and do hurt men in so many ways, that don't require strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:11 AM
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Great example of hamstering away abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 07:01 AM
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Red pill as as old as sexual reproduction. The strong mate, the weak don't, and females select which is which based on outward indicators of strength. Blue pill is the new idea on the block. Starting when people got more civilized, and decided that monogomy was a good thing, to keep everything more orderly. So producers of fiction tell us that it's a good thing to be romantically obsessed with a woman, to weaken yourself and make sacrifices for her. This goes on all through to the 21st century, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 05:09 AM
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Why shouldn’t I enjoy being spoiled by a man who wants me to take time out of my day to hang out with him? Why should I be considerate of his pockets and only order an equal amount to what he ordered for himself? "If I can get away with something why shouldn't I do it without consideration?" Spoken like a spoilt child.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 04:06 AM
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Sure, sounds great. But the question is why would she set you up? If you're not attractive enough, they'll tarnish their reputation if they set you up. Not to mention the implied need of being set up makes you unattractive. Also not to mention losing an orbiter. If you're attractive, she wants you for herself. Even if it's just as a plan B in case her better options don't pan out. And unfortunately, those two overlap. I think most orbiters fall into the category of being attractive enough for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 09:03 PM
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When thinking about this question, I'm tempted to place blame on both sides: One side says all women are cheating gold diggers, the other side says all men are rapists. We're both to blame, so can we both play nice? But I can't in all honesty do that. The cause is feminism, plain and simple. Feminists paint everything with a super broad brush: Men have it easy, they oppress women, women have it hard, no exceptions! Exceptions are hamstered away, or straight up denied. When men come here and free…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 06:02 AM
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Yeah, OP stacked the deck too hard both ways. Smart, rich, educated, tall, attractive, and big dick, vs short, ugly, small dick, autistic, and dumb. It's like Superchad vs Superincel. If Brad was just average in everything other than height and fitness, and Michael was just average in looks, but above average in smarts and wealth, you would get way better answers. And be way more realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 02:55 AM
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If you like someone, and they're presumably already attractive, then you're naturally going to like the things that stand out about them. So things like weird teeth, an unfortunately placed mole, a bit of fat, a bit of graying hair. It makes them look distinguished and interesting. Those same things on unattractive people would just make them look worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:38 AM
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Furthermore, sitting at a desk all day and not doing any exercise rots your mind as well as your body. Once you get some exercise endorphins in your body, your mood and mental state improves dramatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 04:52 AM
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Get over the idea that status means being rich and famous. It doesn't. If you're popular in your friend group, you have status. I've seen more than a few guys do way better than me, despite being shorter, chubby as hell, poor, and really average in appearance. And that's because they're popular. I wouldn't even describe them as all that funny or charming. Girls like popular guys. They want to be a part of that. They want the guy who all the other girls know and love. They don't want the guy who'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 04:50 AM
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I don't know how recent harassment of women online is, but it definitely has an effect on how women respond to attention. The fact that so many guys think they're going to get anything from spamming women's dating profiles shows a lot of guys are very socially clueless and creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 10:20 AM
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It's not moral, it's practical. We know women are picky and easily bored. We know that once a woman has had a certain pleasure, be it sexual, entertainment, or lifestyle, her standards will rapidly rise to make that pleasure her new average. So now anything less, or even equal, becomes boring. We've known this since the dawn of civilization, hence why the desire for virgins has been so common historically. Men are different. We're simpler. An attractive woman is an attractive woman if they're th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 10:12 AM
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That's probably the best comparison for an average girl. But unlike the gender swapped version, I can't believe this happens all that often. If a man has a lavish lifestyle for himself, his partner is going to have the same, unless he has some very carefully crafted double life. Whereas women seem to be actually quite happy with switching off their sex drive for years at a time when her partner doesn't give her the tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 09:51 AM
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The best comparison I can think of is fat girls who are fucked by hot guys with a fetish. Even if they can get one night stands and FWB arrangements, they will never be seen in public together, never shown off on social media, never spent money on. They are left knowing that they're only being banged because of a specific fetish, and their very presence is an embarrassment to the guy. But even then the girl is well aware of what she's getting into from the beginning, and is consenting to such a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 09:47 AM
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It depends. With some girls it's super obvious. Like she pinches your biceps and triceps, looks at you like she wants you, gravitates towards you. Other times they can be really obscure, basically treating you like just another person they're friendly with. The problem isn't just reading the signals, it's knowing when it's okay to make a move. Just because a woman shows interest doesn't mean she's down to date or fuck. It's one thing to assume someone likes you if you don't intend to do anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 04:47 AM
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The problem of course is that men have not (yet) created an identity outside of traditional masculinity. It's not about identity, it's about expectations. Men are still expected to earn more, be emotionally stronger, and lead the woman. And men are kinda annoyed that women are taking on the parts of equality that benefit them, like making more money, and more legal protections. But they're not taking on the responsibilities that men have. Men still have to wear the pants. We still have to lead a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 06:26 AM
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It's not limited to the manosphere. Anyone who feels out of place or isolated in the modern world will look back at history with romantic notions. If you can perceive problems with your life directly relating to the things in the modern world, you're going to naturally blame these changes for your woes, and wish things were back the way they were before. Realistically, I don't believe that fully. I like the advances of the modern world, but I want more structure in them that mitigates the proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 05:44 AM
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You feel peace and serenity from a clean house, and you want to cry when it's not? The issue isn't your husband being too lazy the clean. The issue is you put too much self worth in everything being clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 05:42 PM
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Almost everything that the nagging neat freak does is caused by a lack of empathy. If the nagger lived alone, all their standards and blame would change completely. It's easy to give a long list of chores to your partner to do if you don't have to do them. If you have to do them, suddenly your standards are a little different. You might have lost your shit at your partner saying they shouldn't have to clean on their day off. But if its your one day off on a busy week, you'd be okay with leaving …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 09:24 AM
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This thread kinda reveals parts of why we're not that open in the west. Lots of presumably women saying that it's not so great for the woman, women aren't allowed to say no, going up to a woman and making out with her is sexual assault ect. They're so defensive and standoffish. I've said before how western women and men have this mentality around strangers that says "you're a creepy crazy weirdo until proven otherwise". Maybe in Brazil they're just a lot more laid back than that. They know that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 05:16 AM
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I used to be big into 4chan. It was fun for a while, but it's pretty toxic. If incels was a thing back then I probably would have fallen into it head first. Kids tend to reach out for any source of guidance and acceptance when it's so lacking in their real lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 03:54 AM
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I'm going to say very bluntly that a lot of us grew up with shitty parents. Some were straight up mentally ill and abusive, like mine. Others were just pathetically ineffective, like the ones a lot of my friends grew up with. And we all ended up in similar boats. We had parents that spent years and years watching us become depressed, isolated, and socially maladjusted, and didn't do squat to change it. They were dumb and scared. They bought into every news scare piece about all the scary things …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:16 AM
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Everyone is judgmental, and our modern online world has just made that worse. It's so much easier to just discard people, and we're rewarded more for doing so. It used to be that if you knew someone from work, class, or your neighborhood, you'd be friendly with them. You can only meet so many people, and it's easier to just accept your differences. Now you can select your friend group from hundreds of others, and you can be as selective as you want. And you better be selective, because everythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 05:51 AM
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People underestimate women's sex drive for attractive men. Women have no sex drive for average men. For attractive men, they're as horny as any male.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 02:45 AM
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It's all about ego preservation: "Is this my fault for choosing an obvious douche bag who I could see from a mile off that he was going to mistreat me? Did I ignore all the genuinely nice guys who would never mistreat me like that? Am I doomed to be mistreated because I'm incapable of being attracted to anyone else? No, no! It must be because all men are bastards. I could never possibly pick any better, and I should just keep doing exactly what I'm doing without learning a thing! You go girl!"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:19 AM
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Imagine the same circumstances; tired, worn out, waiting for your morning coffee to kick in. But, you're in a room with coworkers you hadn't met, or people from a club you just joined, or a class you just started. Suddenly it would be weird to stare off into space, not talk to anyone, and pretend others don't exist. You would feel awkward, anti-social, stressed at having to avoid socialising. I believe that being in public socially designated "no talk zones" causes those same feelings. Whether i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 07:07 AM
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I'm not angered by them, anymore than I am at r/incels. I look at them for morbid curiosity. What gets me about them is how little actual strategy their seems to be. It's all just about vetting men, and not very well at that. Red flags that don't make sense (he takes his phone to bathroom = he's cheating???), not much of a vetting process beyond making them wait for sex and only accepting expensive dinner dates. Where are the stories about this stuff actually working, or what actually happens du…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 09:54 AM
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Not to get incelly but what annoys me is that some women, when you bring this up on this sub, act like there's no middle ground. It's like "well I'm just 'vetting' people, what do you want me to do, go to some strange man's apartment and get date-raped and murdered"? Subconsciously, I think that's exactly what's going on when people avoid contact with strangers. There are a lot of crazy people out there, and we fear that a random person might be one of them. Even if the odds are very low, and we…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 06:20 AM
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I think the "stranger danger" parenting of the 90s and 2000s has a huge part to play in why younger generations are so socially fucked. Yep. When I grew up it was all about "don't talk to strangers". As I got older people wouldn't even let their pre-teen daughters out in the front yard, or answer the door. Halloween never happened, because people didn't want their kids to go to strangers' doors. Now I see people go to bars, and stay in their little circle they came with, and never talk to anyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 05:30 PM
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Yep. As Aziz Ansari said, we're part of the least lonely generation, and that's driving everyone to be flaky and antisocial. Everyone has dozens of social interactions a minute in their pocket, at all times. People still want to meet people, go to events, invite people out ect. But with the emotional social need already taken care of, they're much less driven to do so. Add in a whole bunch of other side effects as well: Constant FOMO; no one wants to find themselves at the second best hang out, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 05:15 PM
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Having been desperate enough that I settled on a fat girl, I'll stick with the tissues.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 10:09 AM
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If two men making out got aroused cheers from women, more men would be bi too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 04:07 PM
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Man, I wish I could find some women who thought the same round my area!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 02:55 PM
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I'll be honest, if I was somehow 100% guaranteed that she'd fuck me if I shaved, I would. It's sure as hell easier than all the other things I have to do. And I can easily grow it back in a few weeks. But of course, there's no way to get that guarantee, and I know a shit test when I see one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 04:57 AM
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It's not that complicated: Women are social. They want to be seen, they want to meet people, they want to be the center of the tribe. Their tastes, hobbies, and career goals are heavily influenced, or even straight up dictated by how popular and connected she will feel. Someone who leads from the rear, so to speak, isn't going to inspire those sorts of tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 07:08 AM
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Am I good enough to date? No, and I know it. I know exactly what I need to improve on, and how. It just takes time. But I also believe I should be good enough. I'm kinda hot. I have a good body from the gym. I have a nice face. I have some pretty amazing skills, and a very interesting section of hobbies. On the occasion that I do hook up, they can't get enough of me. Even with all my downsides, which are the things I'm working on, I don't think this justifies me being totally dateless. What anno…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 09:11 PM
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That's a pretty basic view of morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 02:40 AM
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You don't think excessive pickiness, being spoilt, or having overly high opinions of yourself has moral implications?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 10:45 AM
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It's a free country, you can have whatever standards you like, we can't control your mind or your preferences. ...But, there's still a lot to say about the morality and reasonableness of standards. Most people say they can meet their high standards just fine, but that doesn't mean at no cost. How many other positive traits do you sacrifice to find your unicorn? And how many men with these positive traits do you miss out on because they don't meet the pettiest of these standards? Are these really…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 07:07 AM
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It won't change shit. Just add another strain to the stack of porn varieties already in existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 03:40 PM
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Gotta agree. A therapist is just paying someone a lot of money to talk about your problems. Even if they do offer solutions, they're things you can probably figure out yourself. They're certainly not going to offer controversial, but actually effective solutions, like lifting or illegal drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 05:14 AM
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Exactly. It's for bettering the lives of the children, so you need a system that insures it is being spent on the children. That's kind of a no brainer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:45 AM
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Oh those poor women having to keep financial records so they can get free money!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 12:38 AM
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That's some pretty lame trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 12:34 AM
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Sounds an awful lot like keeping them in control.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 05:22 PM
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Because some crazy ass women need to be controlled, less they do crazy ass things with the priveleges divorce grants her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 05:14 PM
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It's not something you could calculate down to the dollar. Rather, you'd have to prove that the children's needs are being met. Prove the children are given adequate food, clothing, and medical care. And if they're not, look at the other expenses. If she's spending a lot on luxuries and other frivelous purchases, but not her kids wellbeing, then chop that child support. Or even better, have her give it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 05:12 PM
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Yep, that's the actual reason. Not some aversion to custody, even assuming that would be the outcome of such a case. If the legal system around divorce is as difficult as it is, and a divorcee has already gone through it once, it's going to encourage people to put up with the abuse instead of dealing with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 05:05 PM
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I'm going to try to answer the actual question, instead of just fatally saying that it's not going to happen. So let's say everyone gets a basic income that's the equivalent of a comfortable living wage. Say, 60k a year, for just existing. There are still rich and richer people. People still spend money, so businesses still exist. The owners and whatever staff those businesses make money beyond that basic income. They would get more attraction than others. But they remain the minority, and it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 03:24 AM
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It's both. On one hand, young men struggle to find sex and relationships, so they turn to porn to satisfy their immediate urges. On the other hand, having that immediate release on hand decreases your motivation to find sex and relationships. And that does cramp a guy's game, possibly enough to push him just over the edge to being sexless. However, it is much more a symptom than a cause. I'm a smart and motivated guy. I can see the reality of the dating market in front of me. I've tried breaking…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:53 AM
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How do you know that if you won't be in a relationship with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:40 AM
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Because they'll think "yay free sex", not because that means I will be their true love Nope, hence why I specifically said to ask if they'll be your boyfriend. So then men shouldn't complain about their lack of sex or attention, since it's only male psychology that makes them desperate for that. Right? Not really the same. One is a question of sparcity. The other is a question of pickiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:39 AM
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Got my life nearly ruined by a crazy bitch. Started getting back on my feet, but realised how hard it was even with relationship experience under my belt. When I discovered the red pill I started consciously paying attention to the guys girls were actually attracted to. I realised how shallow it all is. What really got me is how important height is. Plain or even ugly guys were called hot if they're above 6'2. I realised that calling a guy "fun" or "interesting" is really just a code word for ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:36 AM
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Plus her game was shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:15 AM
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Women have more access to sex than men, but they don't have more access to romance or love Not even close. Ask 20 average single guys if they'll be your boyfriend. At least 10 will say yes straight up. The other 10 will say yes after they're convinced it's not a prank. Having female sexuality means fucking a guy you're not attracted to will be disgusting, violating, and traumatizing ' Even if that were true, and it's not in all but the most extreme cases, read what I said before about your psych…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:06 AM
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Nah. There are tonnes of guys out there that genuinely like the girls in question. And they're not hard to spot. It's a million times easier to spot the asshole who only wants to pump and dump you. It's just that the former puts women off by signalling sparcity. And the latter turns women on, so they hamster that maybe he'll change for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:59 AM
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So, what, you can't vet them after you've approached them? Or are you so risk averse that 100% of the vetting has to be done before you date?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:54 AM
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And also, just because you'd be satisfied with random offers of sex and partners that don't really care about you, doesn't mean women are. Only a man would experience those things as a "privilege". Women need romance and emotional connection to be happy This is something I can't get behind. For starters, women have lots of random offers for relationships, love, and romance too. It's only a pessemistic myth that women only get casual sex easily. Second, whether they like those men or not does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:49 AM
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Yep, absolutely true. What women want most in a guy is the ability to brag to their friends, show off to their friends, and make their friends jealous. Failing that, the ability not to feel inferior to their friends. If she can brag about you, you're in. And the best things to brag about are quick and easy elevator pitches. Titles, jobs, races. Why do you think everyone wants to date a doctor, and every parent wants their child to be a doctor? Because it's such a good boast to sell your wealth, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 02:56 PM
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I'm not the OP you're replying to...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 03:45 PM
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...I think you've got me confused with someone else...or you're reading something way wrong!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 03:19 PM
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So you feel you were lied to by them not making their intentions known? Like, lying by omission? And this apparent lying is insulting enough to you that you feel justified in using whoever lied to you like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 03:08 PM
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Then why put in so much effort rationalizing it away? Why not just accept the reality that you made some mistakes in your immaturity, and move on, instead of blaming him for being used?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 02:48 PM
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What you're describing is a healthy friendship, where two people genuinely like each other. An emotional tampon, and a friendzone, is not that. It's when one person likes the other, but the other only sees opportunity for favors or emotional support. And oddly enough, the emotional tampon can't draw the proper boundaries, because that's not what good friends do!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 02:37 PM
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Clearly you've never met someone with a woe is me victim complex. Crazy people can get really cranky when you try to steal their thunder by having woes of your own, no matter how legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 02:08 PM
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Why do I doubt that your situation was really all that different than the standard? I mean how deceptive can someone honestly be when orbiting someone, to the point that their attraction is actually well hidden? Did you think he just becomes an emotional tampon for everyone, and dotes on everyone? I get it, you used someone, you took advantage, and you feel guilty, so you try to rationalize that guilt away. But come on, do you really think he deserved it because he had low self esteem? Would you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 01:57 PM
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Have you ever met a socially awkward person? We're not exactly great at masking our social cues. But apparently we're so socially adept that we can hide our stammered speach, lingering glances, and pathetic doting from all but the most astute of girls! You can say what you will about boys needing to grow a backbone, and approach women directly. But don't pretend that women aren't aware of these obvious things, or that it's okay for women to do bad things as long as no one stops them...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 10:34 AM
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The only way it cannot be obvious to the woman is if she has some legitimate issue reading social cues. I have aspergers. As is typical of us, we can talk for a long time about something we're interested in, but others aren't. Yet, I still have the social awareness to know when someone is feigning interest just to be polite, and I shut the fuck up in turn, without them having to say anything. Yet somehow women are supposed to not notice when a guy likes her? When his eyes light up while talking …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 05:59 AM
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It's not just putting up with it in the hopes that she'll reward you with sex and love. Sometimes it's just being unable to politely set boundries. Sometimes it's hard to find a polite way of saying "Your emotional bullshit is not my problem, keep it to yourself please."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 01:18 AM
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Dang, that explains a lot. I've said before that the best way to fix the sexual market place is to fix the economy. Simply because more successful men means more attractive men, regardless of whether those men are more successful than each other. A struggling economy means women are fearful of being poor, and see successful men as a way out. I don't think anyone would be surprised that meeting online became more popular as online became a thing. But it's surprising that meeting in a bar became s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 05:23 PM
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You'd have to be stupid to think attractiveness isn't a big deal. But the bar is nowhere near as high as incels say. With all the guys bemoaning they're so ugly their chances are literally zero, you know most of them are just making excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 07:28 AM
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Good on you for your success. It's pretty pathetic how bitter some guys can be about the whole thing. I'm fairly attractive, but I don't have much luck with women simply because I lack the social skills and confidence to act on it. I know it doesn't take much to have women simply pass you by. I find all the "woe is me, I'll never get laid because my canthal tilt is off by 2.6 degrees" horribly pathetic. Like they're looking for an excuse to say their problems are unfixable, so they don't have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 02:05 AM
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I believe you are correct. Though it's not often talked about, attainability is a big part of what attracts men to women. A lot of men will look past the attractive women, to the less attractive ones, entirely because they're less likely to reject. And often feel a little lower maintenance and easier going because of it. If the roles were reversed, I believe the same thing would happen to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 11:33 AM
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Because it's been happening to them their entire lives, so they've grown accustomed to it like it's average. Remember, women don't see the work that goes into romance and dates, they just see the result. If they did, they'd probably be a bit more relaxed, and less demanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 07:51 AM
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Not posting this in /r/sex cause im not looking for sex tips, but rather how to cope with this existential feeling. Lol, this is such a crazy, and lazy, response to the whole thing. She knows the problem is bad sex. Meaning this problem can be solved by making sex good. But no, she doesn't want to make sex good. She wants to be okay with it being bad? This ladies and gentlemen is what women mean when they say dating is still hard for them. They can find plenty of guys, but they're always missing…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 05:37 AM
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"Benevolent sexism" is a feminist rationalization for all these priveleges. The idea that these priveleges are only given to women because they're perceived as weak. And these priveleges seek to make them weaker. This can be easily debunked by what feminists spend their energy on. I'll believe benevolent sexism is a thing when feminists start campaigning for removing alimony, or equalizing domestic violence protections.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 08:53 AM
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It's a free country, you don't have to date anyone you don't want to. But these standards between fat girls and un/underemployed men are pretty lopsided. A fat person is, to put it bluntly, disgusting. A poor person is, all other things being equal, just boring. It's pretty obvious how there is a difference between "I want someone who's naked body doesn't make me vomit", and "I want someone who can take me to fancy restaurants, take me on holidays, buy me presents".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 07:58 AM
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How does one leverage this to their advantage? "Mr President, because I also have a penis you should give me what I want"? I'm sorry, but this is a real stretch just to get out of accepting the reality of power dynamics in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 05:51 PM
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So you agree that it doesn't necessarily advantage men, at least all that much? And presumably that means it doesn't empower us. What you see as confusion is just sticking to the point: It's wrong see all men as an advantaged, empowered, and most of all unified group just because powerful men are the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:48 PM
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You're vastly overestimating how much being of the same gender, especially being male, advantages us. We get more urinals and toiletries. Yay, I guess? But doesn't really help with the important troubles...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:26 PM
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Yes, men, and women, should put more thought into issues effecting other genders. A feminist professor or writer is presumably dedicated to understanding the social dynamics between genders, and how that effects women. Understanding men's issues isn't just helpful to that, it's downright essential if you want to be productive in fixing any of this. But, at the cost of giving away some sympathy, and absorbing some responsibility. Sure, gender effects the policies of policy makers. But that's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:16 PM
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Yes, it's true that everyone bares the burden for fixing their mental problems, and that men should be more candid about these problems. No sane person would deny this. You could say that policy makers have most of the burden to fix society's problems. But again, this is not men vs women. It's a complete non sequitir to say that policy makers are mostly men, therefore the power is with men. No. The power is with policy makers, that's the rational conclusion from that premise. I certainly don't g…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 02:26 PM
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Yes, you admitted it, with the quick caveat that men are still advantaged enough to be solely responsible for fixing these problems. What feminists as a whole should be willing to admit is that it's not just men as a collective. It's 4 billion individuals who may or may not have power. And a lot of men are seriously struggling through life, while the overall feminist narrative ignores it and says they're still unfairly advantaged, or worse. I don't care which groups objectively have it better or…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 02:00 PM
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My experience isn't unique either. I bottled shit up for years and only opened up when I felt I had to. Doesn't mean I can't recognize WHY my experience is informative. Well there you go. Whether you were ridiculed or rejected for expressing your troubles or not, you did fear that you would be. And why would you fear that if it's not something that happens often enough? You can preach about harmful compartmentalization all you want, but that's not going to help men play Russian Roulette with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:49 PM
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And that's where feminist thinking fails. The world isn't men vs women, where only one party has to actually do any of the work. It's also not much real work for feminists to directly acknowledge that things can be really shitty for men. Wouldn't happen though, because that would run counter to the feminist narrative about their victim status and personal responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:42 PM
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Realistically, yes. Only because it's the only useful help that a man can get in those times. Some sort of acknowledgement from the feminist camp would be nice as well. But that's even less likely!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:06 PM
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As an attractive but awkward guy, and on the spectrum, yeah, pretty much. Even as I get older, socialising is still tough. It's not as tough as school, when you get straight up bullied and ridiculed for not following social cues to the letter. But it's still really easy to become ignored, and alone, just because of a few missteps.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 08:15 AM
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It doesn't work like that. Men don't support each other to bring each other up. They actively push each other down, to minimize competition. If you come to your male friends with a sob story, you're either going to be demoted to runt of the group, or rejected outright for being a burden. It sucks, and I wish men weren't like that, but that's just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 07:08 AM
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It means they want a guy who's 6'4, attractive, has a good job that pays 100k a year, and an active social butterfly who can get to the front of the line at any club. But they're struggling so much to find Mr. Right that they're considering lowering their standards to 6'3 and 90k a year. Maybe. After looking for another few weeks...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 07:02 AM
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The lack of a "why?" is exactly why I can't take feminism seriously. Or at least the main reason. There are so many complex social factors that go into our world being the way it is. Feminism will get nowhere if it approaches every problem with "We don't know why things are bad, or how to fix them, but just fix them k?". I believe this attitude is not an accident. Rather, it's unwillingness to consider how truely sympathetic their situation is, and partaking in actual effort to fix these problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 02:08 AM
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Then I'm gonna tell you straight up; those guys are weird. Who the hell doesn't like eating pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 04:08 AM
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I grant that you can't exactly tell how good a guy is in bed before getting him there. But sex aint that difficult! At worst your sex is gonna be "not-great", maybe half the time, with the occasion worse outlier? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that your friend straight up has intimacy issues. Like some really specific standards about what she wants, where to be touched, and at what time, and anything else turns her dry as sandpaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 03:42 AM
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What first world country? Methtown, Florida? Again, see the part about men being unsafe there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 03:36 AM
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Kinda weird that you put gossiping alongside torture and murder...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 03:35 AM
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Geez, do you live in The Purge or something? I guarantee you, if that's what where you live is legitimately like, men aint that safe there either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 03:29 AM
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Having had numerous gay dudes hit on me, check me out, try to feel me up, in often uncomfortable ways...Yes, it feels flattering as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 03:23 AM
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None, they just want to play down their privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 03:21 AM
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Unless you're constantly barricading yourself indoors with a shotgun, I don't think you're actually scared of being murdered. Meanwhile, how many men are legitimately harmed, physically or emotionally, by women, and just live with it, because what else can you do? Pretty much all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 03:21 AM
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I read that as her having no problems at all, but distorting her persective by arbitrarily discounting her successes. Essentially OP's thesis being correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 03:10 AM
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How "non-hot" are we talking here? And how "average" are these average guys she chased? Even for hot guys, most guys standards for hookups are just "isn't ugly enough to make me vomit". I'll be frank: The only way your friend couldn't find sex is if she is very fat, or has a noteable deformity. And/or her standards are so high that even average for you and her are still top 10% men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 02:42 AM
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Venting would be excusable, but it's not really that. Venting implies letting something out temporarily. But this is more of a pervasive perspective about men being pigs, with little to no regard for those who aren't. Your point on men blaming all women is actually a good one, because that's exactly what incels do. And no one would doubt their problem is in their perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:23 AM
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Don't get me wrong, as per RP teachings, it is entirely on each man to learn and understand how the world really works, and get beyond all the confusing messages you get. But that doesn't absolve those giving those messages. If your negative perspective on men, how you talk about them and how you think about them, is entirely centred around a minority of men, then there is a problem in your perspective. AKA, female solipsism. And let's face it, if their perspective were rational, their complaint…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:13 AM
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Eh, that's kinda the problem, but not really against OP's point. Growing up as a pretty socially clueless young man, I can say the lack of nuance is a huge part of the problem. And that lack of nuance is due to the way women frame the issues, more so than the men's interpretations of them. The complaints and narrative you hear are "men are pigs", "men lie and cheat and do anything to get in your pants", "men pump and dump", ect ect. There's little to no recognition for the majority of men that d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 05:17 AM
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For the vast majority of women, the benefits of not approaching far outweigh the benefits of approaching. At least from their perspective. Approaching is hard. Even for men who are adept and comfortable with it, it took a lot of time to build up a thick enough skin for it. The reason men do the approaching, and put in the work to get good at approaching, is they have no choice. If men want pussy, they have practically no other options but to approach. Women have the luxury of being able to take …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 02:33 AM
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I was in the friend zone when I was 19. I stayed for a lot of reasons, and I'm guessing these reasons are the same for pretty much every friend zoned guy: I didn't know many women, and she was the only one that seemed to notice I existed. I was constantly given little hints and teases that my patience would finally pay off. I was socially clueless, and didn't understand how the whole dating game really worked. I shared classes and buses with her, so I couldn't just straight up cut her out. I tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 05:38 AM
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Eh, I don't know if any men are actually attracted to the truly crazy parts of those disorders. Men fall for them because they present themselves as a cheery manic pixie dream girl when you first meet them. They're happy, full of life, have out of this world sex, and most importantly they will swear to love you more than anything. It's only after you're hooked that they let the crazy out, and usually by then it's too difficult to run away.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/20 09:27 AM
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Take all the time, effort, money, resources, social pressure, competition, and any other struggle men have to go through to get sex and love. Now imagine taking all of that energy, and applying it to other aspects of your life, because sex and love just happen. Now imagine that through your whole life, ever since you were old enough to have boys attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 04:06 AM
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As in not overweight. Thin enough to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:18 PM
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Not really. Most people under 40 just eat normal food, do a bit of exercise maybe twice a week, and stay regular weight. Most people under 30 can eat whatever the hell they want and exercise however little they want and stay regular weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 10:35 AM
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There are two questions that need to be answered here: Are men entitled to sex, and is that entitlement the reason for the bitterness? I'm going to try to give a perspective on this that will answer both at once. The bitterness does come from a sense of entitlement, but not in a way that I will say is entirely unfair, or even that delusional. Few to no men believe that women should be assigned to them by some kind of government charity. If you were to get a honest and fully aware answer from a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 02:33 PM
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Like a lot of things in life, it matters if you can spin a good story about it. You can spin a story about how you pulled yourself up by your bootstraps to become the man you are today, and that can be admirable. But only, and only if the end result puts you notably above average. If you went from poor to a millionaire, or skinny and ugly to a male model, then that's the story that people want to hear. But if you've only built yourself up to kind of average, say functioning socially after being …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 02:05 PM
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It needs to be noted that if a woman does decide to go above and beyond to get thin, wear expensive make up and dresses, get her hair done, whatever, it matters very little. Men aren't picky. That same girl deciding to eat what she wants 90% of the time, do just enough exercise to not gain weight, wear whatever decent clothes she picked out on sale, is still going to be super attractive to near all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 01:59 PM
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I'm gonna say this is wrong, in both ways: First, it's not like the struggle that a woman goes through to be hot is even remotely comparable to the struggle that a man goes through to be equally hot. Second, and most importantly, most men show a massive amount of sympathy towards women. If a woman shares her struggles with a man, he will instinctively try to support her and help her. It does actually bring her perceived hotness down a little, but that doesn't have the effect of making the guy le…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 01:55 PM
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In my experience, women are usually only friends with guys that they consider safe. That means guys that they're either okay with fucking, or guys that don't want to fuck them. The latter includes guys in committed relationships, and gays. Single guys who give off the vibe of being "on the prowl" are not safe. They're a risk, and must be kept at arm's length.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 04:26 AM
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Because for men being right matters a lot more. We're the breadwinners, we have the burden to succeed in life. We know that the best way to do this is to be coldly logical and rational. We do that so much that we can't just switch that off to believe that stars and angels are controlling our destiny. There's also the obvious fact that we don't get positive reinforcement because of our gender alone. How many guys will pretend to agree with a girl about palm reading or some bullshit just so he can…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 11:42 AM
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Interesting trope. I'm going to say the appeal of the "born sexy yesterday" girl is less that she's stupid, and more that she just kind of falls into your lap. Flynn Jr. gets zapped into The Grid, and his daddy has a hot girl waiting just for him. Corbin Dallas has a hot Ukrainian supermodel just fall into his car, and now he alone gets to care for her. It's not her stupidity that's appealing, it's her exclusivity. No competition, no picking up, she's just your's by fate alone. In that sense, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 11:41 PM
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Not really. With Tinder women can choose from pretty much any guy in their city. Even if they don't want to use Tinder they can still expand the guys they know pretty easily. That's of course assuming they don't have pretty expansive social circles, which most women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 05:43 AM
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It's more about frustration with alphas. It's the alphas that plate them, pump and dump them, cheat on them. When women complain about men being assholes, they only mean the men they're attracted to. And when they hear about TRP, they think it's a guide for all the men that have wronged them that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:52 AM
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The bizarre duality that TRP often reveals, in my experience, is the simultaneous attribution of both no agency (women are children) and infinite agency (women are conniving puppetmasters controlling the sexual marketplace) Those two aren't mutually exclusive. If you've ever known a woman with BPD you would see someone with both extremes of having the emotions of a cranky toddler, but a high social intelligence at the same time. The social intelligence and manipulation is utilized to serve their…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:35 AM
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I would guess that if women had the choice, they would seriously reduce the male attention they get. They would make it so it only comes from attractive men, and only at convenient times. But if they had the choice between getting next to no attention from the opposite sex (which is what most men get), and getting the unwanted attention they get now, they would choose to get the unwanted attention. Sure, unwanted attention might make them scared, uncomfortable, grossed out or whatever. But it al…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 02:18 AM
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If the only way you can justify your "ugliness" is by millimeters and degrees of any of that facial aesthetics bullshit, then you're not really ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 07:15 AM
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Yeah, pretty much. If the worst of your problems is your canthal tilt being 5 degrees off then you're not ugly. It's clear that they desperately want to believe that they're ugly. Partly because it makes them feel better for being rejected, like they're being rejected for shallow reasons. Partly because it absolves them of any personal responsibility for actually fixing their situation. Partly because they're just fishing for sympathy, and they think they'll get more of it if their situation is …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:37 AM
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Australian here. As far as I gather, the SMP here is pretty much the same as the way people describe the american SMP. There is a heavy drinking culture. Clubbing and all that are a thing, but a tonne of it is just sitting around having beers with mates. Getting people to do things that aren't sitting around drinking beers is a tough sell, at least in my social circle. Bogans are common. Aka the Australian equivalent to rednecks. Lots of blue collar jobs around. There is a common sentiment of an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/18 02:02 AM
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A friendzoned guy... Has no options. Has attached to the girl out of desperation, because she's the only girl who even notices he exists. Is usually on the young side, under 20, immature, inexperienced, and socially awkward. Has no idea how relationships and attraction really work. Likely has a difficult time not being friends with her, for both practical and moral reasons. Practically, he likely shares classes or works with her. Morally because telling her he doesn't want to be friends would ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 05:14 AM
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Pretty much. You can give inoffensive, heavily sanitized advice, that would be somewhat effective. But the more you look for answers, the more misogynistic you're going to get. You can say "work out, groom, dress well, have a good career, and stand up for yourself". Okay, fairly inoffensive, as long as you stop right there. "But why?", a clueless inquisitive young man might ask. Because women like attractive dominant men. Because they're just as shallow as the rest of us. And they don't give a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 06:31 AM
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The same way anyone becomes more rational or logical. You learn about logic, and logical fallacies, learn how to construct rational and objective arguments, and learn to put your emotions out of these decisions. How do you bring emotions out of decisions? You toughen up, and deal with the uncomfortable truths. Accept that you are often wrong about things. You're not a perfectly morally virtuous person. You make mistakes. Your feelings change, often for no good reason. Your emotions aren't always…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 07:57 AM
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I once had a woman I grew to respect tell me that some people need "gun in mouth therapy". As in did you ever see fight club? When Edward Norton sticks a gun in the face of the Korean shop keeper, who cries and begs for his life, and then tells him to pursue his dream (of becoming a veterinarian) or else. I can't argue with the motivational abilities of a gun in the mouth, though not very practical! Fight Club is pretty much spot on with the issues facing the modern male. Without challenges or c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 10:40 AM
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I'm not sure if I'm allowed to ask questions towards incels lest we enter another era of woe is me posting so I'll word this a specific way. Guys if you were an incel and stuck in such a terrible rut as this fairly normal looking guy and someone told you that if you packed a bag, took a few hundred dollars, and got on a bus to move a thousand miles to live on your own but after a few years of harsh struggle your life would no longer be a meaningless empty hell where shitting in your own pants is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 12:21 AM
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From the woman's perspective, she very well may assume he doesn't like her. But her perspective on what the man feels isn't necessarily what the man does actual feel. That said I believe most women know when a guy likes her, shy or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 05:32 AM
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I could agree with this if it were more conditional. A single, basic rejection isn't saying anything more than that particular woman isn't interested. Continuous rejections, without a single success, does kind of say that you're not worthy of reproducing. Or at least, in the state that you are right now. There are also forms of rejection that can be construed that way. Trying to keep a guy around as an orbiter, and doing things that treat the guy like he is not a sexual being, is definitely a fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 06:21 AM
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No. It's not about a simple soundbite light "be social and funny". It's about status. You can act just as social, and be just as funny, and still get nowhere if you don't have the status to back it up. Note that I said act just as social, instead of be social. If you are social, then that's different than acting social. It means you already have friends, a social resume, a lack of true awkwardness, a normal personality ect. Aka, status. Status, including social status, isn't just something you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 06:09 AM
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For a socially awkward young man, it's not all that obvious. Sure, you knew that girls liked attractive men. But the specific attributes that make someone either attractive or unattractive are not obvious, until they're pointed out to you. If it truly were only Chads that get laid, then it would be a lot more obvious. But really all sorts of guys get girlfriends. So when you're comparing yourself to a chubby, 5'10 guy, with glasses who has a hot girlfriend, it's hard not to think that you should…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 05:16 AM
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I read this as saying ineffective advice works fine, as long as you're attractive enough that you don't need the advice. For those that aren't attractive enough, or think they can do better, the red pill is the best source for telling you how to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 04:38 AM
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That sort of thing gets said a lot around here. And I see it as an attempt at rationalizing an innate lack of empathy. Real empathy isn't conditional on returned empathy. Most of us empathise with third world people, even though they most definitely do not empathise with us, and most certainly resent us. Yet frustrated men do not receive these allowances, because at some level you're opposed to the idea of men as something deserving of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 06:29 PM
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But that doesn't apply to all men, does it? Especially not the types that frequent the manosphere. I believe this comes back to the point I made before about justifying resentment towards men with a supposed moral failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 08:10 AM
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Empathy for men, from women, is a catch 22. If they empathize with your troubles, they see you as weak. If they see you as weak, they no longer see you as a real man. If you're not a real man, you're not worthy of real empathy. I think it's part biological, part cultural. The western blue pill narrative is that men don't have problems, period. Women don't see them because men don't want them to, because they don't want to appear unattractive. The bar for acceptable troubles that a man can have w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 06:35 AM
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But it's the opposite, the more women understand men, the less we empathize with them Why do you suppose that is? If you were wholly rational that would only happen if men's issues genuinely weren't sympathetic. But I'm sure few would say that's actually the case. I would say that the actual reason is due to cognitive dissonance. Hearing about men's issues directly contradicts the narrative of men as oppressors, and women as victims. When one experiences that cognitive dissonance their hamster s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 06:16 AM
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Everyone knows that lifestyle is super important for your SMV. Women will gravitate towards those that have good lifestyles, and have lifestyles that match their own interests. So a girl that likes clubbing will prefer a guy that likes clubbing. Lifestyle is very much a part of your status and your position in the social hierarchy. In a way, I would describe this dynamic as a form of accessorizing. A high status man makes a woman look better, just a pretty dress and a good social media presence …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 04:35 AM
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Aren't bloopers usually the ones to say it's stupid to get all your life advice from movies, to justify that the vast majority of which teach blue pill messages? And I've gotta say, that's actually a pretty good example of the sort of blue pill advice men get; just don't be a fat, boring slob, and you'll be fine. Acting like it's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:03 AM
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Realistically the advice is the same though. Work out, watch your diet, dress well, be fun to talk to, have interesting hobbies etc This is an issue that gets brought up here a lot: is that advice really blue pill advice, or is it borrowed and repackaged from the red pill? Often bloopers will call that stuff "common sense", saying anyone should be able to figure it out on their own. I obviously argue that it's red pill advice, for two reasons. The first is that it's not the sort of advice that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 09:21 AM
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To a point, but not all that much. Women don't invest in potential attractiveness. They are attracted based on how attractive you are when you make your first impression. If she has deemed you unattractive, you can't go back from that without major improvements in your SMV, and even then it's not likely. If you're only in the process of improving your SMV, you better have something significant to show for it. If a woman suspects you might be artificially inflating your SMV she will shit test unt…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 05:41 AM
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There are consequences. But they're relatively minor, and they're usually limited or negated through branch swinging, and society's safety nets. The consequences are things like being in a dead bedroom, being with a partner she's not attracted to, having to deviate from her preferred sexual habits to find a high value man, dating post divorce, and finally, not being aware of why all these things are happening. But most of those things are more like inconveniences. The easiest way for her to fix …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 07:30 AM
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The reason there isn't an equivalent AMALT. It's because there isn't a sexual strategy that encompasses near all men, in the same way there is for women. Men's sexual strategy is heavily based on their value. Low value men simply can't play fast and loose in the sexual market place, the way high value men can. They can't be too picky, can't cheat, don't have the opportunity to ride the carousel, or branch swing. Men, even high value men, only have a slight sliver of hypergamy. Men will want the …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 05:48 AM
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I've only known one person who was a Nice Guytm . As in a guy who was nice enough most of the time, but lost his shit when he was rejected. He was a young guy, about 18-19. Not attractive at all. His parents were loaded, so he had a pretty inflated view of himself. He pined after a girl for a semester. Then her and her boyfriend split, and this guy thought he was next in line. But instead she started dating this other guy. He lost his shit. Spent a whole weekend posting depressed, passive aggres…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 03:19 AM
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Someone tells you they don't accept you or care about your feelings, you respond by being angry, or indifferent to their feelings back. As I've always said, there is a valid reason for a lot of the anger phase stuff that goes on in the pillosphere. It's not in any sense irrational, or even all that petty. By that I of course mean moderate, proportionate anger and frustration. I certainly don't mean the sort of anger incels preach, involving mass murder, rape, and pedophilia. Having poor social a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 10:54 AM
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Why do you think it's such a burden? Why do you act like you're going to be put on a sex offender registry if a woman rejects you? I'm sorry to break it to you, but all the things you're worried about, all the burden you think you have, is all on you. Every day, millions of men make approaches, and get rejected, and they don't worry about the embarrassment and disappointment. They have no problem with all the things you have a problem with. So why should you? If a hunter can't bag any deer, does…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 02:13 AM
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It's only risky if you're genuinely weird and creepy, and you have really thin skin. As a socially awkward guy, I totally get that it sucks. You don't like uncertainty, you don't like embarrassment. You like to follow a sort of algorithmic logic, where a specific set of parameters result in a specific outcome. So when you have to take a chance on an unknown you feel super vulnerable. You envy that women don't have to shoulder any of that burden. But come on, it's really not that bad. You talk li…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 01:58 AM
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I'm going to say that's only kind of true. Like, less than half true. Having sex and relationships in your life is going to make you more happy. But if you're as depressed as the black pill types are, then clearly the problems go way deeper than not getting laid. The problem with these guys is they're so desperately convinced that they will never ever get laid or get a girlfriend. They think "it's over", as they so often say. They think they're irreparably ugly, because they think having a negat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 05:37 AM
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There are a number of reasons, depending on the situation: You're confusing "playing hard to get" with not actually being interested at all. She's interested, but she also wants to keep her options open. If other guys see her being flirty with you, they may be less likely to approach. A guy playing hard to get is a sign of abundance, and thus more attractive to her. She's projecting that same attraction dynamic onto you. She's actively avoiding taking the risk in rejection, approach anxiety, ect…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 05:13 AM
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It's the same reason they don't give the same advice to romantically struggling men outside of marriage. They are not self aware of their attraction dynamics. When asked what they are attracted to, women will not think of what she is actually attracted to. She will think of what she would be attracted to if she was an ideal, morally upstanding person. A morally upstanding person, in her mind, wouldn't be attracted to fit, masculine, dominant men, right? They would be attracted to nice, helpful m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 01:40 AM
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Okay, I agree with that. Since following the red pill, I've noticed a lot of specific challenges as I've become more attractive, that I didn't experience before. Experiencing the lightswitch effect, when a girl who seemed to be into me suddenly drops all interest the moment a more attractive man enters the scene. Being shit tested. Being a bit awkward and anxious means that I tend to fail shit tests. I also speculate that my physical attraction creates false expectations in regards to my social …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 08:03 AM
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I can kind of understand where you're coming from. Where I find the issue contentious, or confusing, is how you define your specific rankings. Let me describe my own experience. I do find dating very difficult, but that's because of other factors that you didn't address. When it comes to the purely physical, I'm pretty attractive. I have a good face, when I groom right, and a good body thanks to a couple of years in the gym. Despite being socially awkward, and having aspergers, I'm also socially…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 05:35 AM
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Among other reasons, it's because there is another solution to the problems facing men, one that The Red Pill advocates: Make yourself rich, powerful, and attractive enough that general men's issues don't apply to you. For obvious reasons, most men would much rather go down this path. Let the actual men's rights activists kick up a fuss, harm their reputations, severally harm their SMV. Let the other unfortunate men suffer through divorce, depression, suicide ect. Men are competitive towards oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 03:40 AM
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I think it's pretty obvious why they're hateful, upset, and bitter. They've gone through their whole lives without so much as a hug from girls, and they have few to no friends. All of that is compacted by already existing mental issues. The problem is at some point these people congregated online and started enforcing each other's delusions, with an unhealthy level of obsession. They convince themselves the game is broken, and the only way to win is to be born with Chad tier genetics. If the gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 04:58 AM
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I've gotta agree. If a woman can get someone into bed, they can get them into a relationship. The few women that I've known that have trouble getting a relationship, but no trouble getting sex, are the ones doing the rejection. And usually for really petty reasons too. Their trouble getting a relationship isn't because no one wants to be a in a relationship with them. It's because they have a long list of things that will immediately disqualify a man in her eyes. And they're mostly that picky be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 04:40 AM
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You can't really end male disposability. Instinctively, we want to protect all women, and let men claw their way to a position where they have access to enough power and resources to negate their natural disposability. The first thing we can do is eliminate disposability from the legal system. At the moment laws regarding divorce, domestic violence, false rape, and uneven prison sentences are based around male disposability. They don't care if men have to work for their ex wives, get hit, or get…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 01:39 AM
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Before they make the decision, they see the whole thing through rose coloured glasses. They don't think about what it will be like when they haven't had a good fuck in 18 years, and they are resenting their husband, and the kids he gave her, how she'll be scared to divorce because she won't be able to trick someone into marrying her again at 45, and how she won't be able to deal with the problems she has because she can't think through 18 years of sunk cost fallacy. She just thinks she will be h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 05:58 AM
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Positive masculinity would just be being manly, but not being an asshole. So you still get to flirt with girls, engage in competition, take the roll of a leader, but in a way that makes others like you, and doesn't hurt others. Think someone like Jeff Winger, Ned Stark, or Captain Picard. They have a certain security about them, that means they can be nice, and support others, without worrying about being usurped. They're better, and they know it, but they let their abilities speak for themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 05:07 AM
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If you really suck at approaching that much, then you should probably slow it down, and work on not sucking at it. Learn to talk and gauge attraction in non-creepy ways. But you shouldn't stop approaching just for the sake of humiliation, or some imagined war against women's narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 11:56 AM
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I would say there is an element of conformity to TRP. The main selling point of TRP is that socially awkward males can achieve the things that "conformists" do; sex, relationships, active social lives. But I don't think it's the main cause of content between the pills. Being "proud of being weird" is a fairly common trait for young girls. They want to portray themselves as a manic pixie dream girl. With the exception of identifying as weird, their social and romantic lives are completely normal.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 06:15 AM
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No, I don't include all women. Just women that I encounter, and of appropriate age, that are in the SMP. Otherwise the numbers would be much lower. Like 20% when you exclude all grannies, mothers who've let themselves go ect. But other than that, I include all races, weights, heights ect. The specific percentage might change depending on your location. Eg. You might live somewhere with a much higher obesity rate. But the conditions I stated will remain: that a woman is attractive if she's not (t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 04:38 PM
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If it was substantial, I would be likely to consider it. But when it comes to disproving something you see every day, there would have to be some pretty serious proof. And that's why psychological studies just don't cut it. I think my standard for falsification is fair. I believe in TRP because it explains why I see. If something else could explain what I say, I would reconsider TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:38 PM
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Not really. In fact Machiavellianism is a specific Dark Triad male trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:35 PM
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Exactly. It's a standard human trait. But from a TRP perspective it's important to understand that Machiavellian behaviour has a specific roll in the SMP, and that women, beta males, and alpha males all have their own specific variety of Machiavellian behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:34 PM
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Not really. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so I can't say for certain, but I doubt conspiracy theorists have that same "lightswitch moment" I mentioned before. I suspect most conspiracy theorists have a constant uphill battle to rationalize their observed reality from contradicting their delusions. Whereas TRP is the opposite. Once you swallow it, you can't not see it in every interaction with women you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:32 PM
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Eh, I would be kind of open to discussion, but I would be unlikely to change my view about that particular thing. To be fair, denying women (and men) are Machiavellian is a tall order. I mean, it's a basic human character trait. If you were to try to change my view you would have to explain the observed sexual and social dynamics in terms of no Machiavelianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:29 PM
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Quite the opposite. If anything my standards are too low, not that I give a damn. As I said, I find most girls attractive, as long as they don't have any overtly ugly features. And even then, it's unlikely to be a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:24 PM
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CBF looking up my own pictures. But I will say that all the pictures you posted for 5 and 6 are hot. With the exception of Sandra Oh. She's actually a perfect example of the sort of "maybe" I was talking about. All her features and proportions are hot, except for her weird facial proportions, which results in a completely neutral attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:22 PM
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I just showed that traits like Macheviallianism would actually better describe male instead female nature, so how is it not wrong? First, I don't care about men being machiavellian. This is about female nature, not male nature. Second, I don't care what studies say. If every study in the world said women were 0% machiavellian I would still disagree, because it's what my personal experience shows. You don't know how many men take a glance at TRP and walk right away due to all the bitterness and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 08:08 AM
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Okay, 90% is an exaggeration. Probably more like 60-70%. Basically any girl that isn't too fat, and doesn't have serious deformities, but isn't quite a knockout.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 08:01 AM
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I don't know why so many guys here are so specific about numbers. All that really matters is the broad ratings: Ugly, maybe, yep, and definitely! Ugly, 1-4: The thought of anything romantic with this rating disgusts you. Really fat, severe disability, or severe deformity. Maybe, 5-6: Almost neutral. Past the point of being unlovable, but not quite hot. This is actually the hardest rating for a woman to be, because almost all women are attractive just by being women. Most likely she gets this way…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 04:23 AM
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Is it anecdotal? Yes. Do we care? No. Does it make it wrong? No. The reason TRP resonates with so many people is because it our own experiences. We realize it applies to almost every girl we know, with few exceptions. Most red pillers have a lightswitch moment, where everything just clicks, in a way that no other explanations have. Suddenly we know what girls go for. We know why we've gotten such terrible dating advice before. We know why girls seem to be so blissfully unaware of all their attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:59 AM
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Yes. I mean it was never great, but when I remember there used to be at least a few gems worth reading over there. I used to go to r/theredpill for advice on fitness, diet dressing and grooming, and perspectives on red pill psychology. You used to find at least a handful of those on the front page every day. They were fairly in depth and helpful as well, written by people that seemed to know what they were talking about. I mean, it's possible I'm just remember the good stuff, and forgetting the …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:27 PM
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I don't believe there's malicious intent involved. As I said, it's just a collection of mostly harmless psychological traits, that have an unintended noticeably harmful result. Not to me as a normal person. It is more obvious to me that ppl with describe traits they presumably want in a partner rather than list off "but he needs to be attractive to me first". But surely it must be obvious that such an answer isn't useful to the recipient? Now I understand that most of the time that sort of quest…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:45 AM
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I agree it's unintentional, but it is also disingenuous. If someone asks what either gender likes in the other, it's obvious that the most useful answer is going to separate unattractive from attractive people. It's obvious that leaving the actually attractive traits implied but unstated isn't useful. Furthermore, usually the traits that the woman lists aren't traits that make an attractive man more attractive, but an attractive man comfortable and convenient in a relationship. I don't believe i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:25 AM
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Exactly. It's just a nickname given to the archetypal alpha male. Who the hell can deny Chad exists? Do they deny alpha males exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:02 AM
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From my own experience and just common knowledge it seems that is not the case. Slut-shaming is real. Yeah, but there's a big difference between what people like to complain about, and what people actually like. When it comes to attraction, most men are not that picky about sluts. Perhaps what I'm wondering about is outcomes, because it seems to be the same. Do women cheat? Yes, but so do men. Do women lie and play games? Yes, but so do men. Do women like healthy and fit partners? Obviously, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 11:46 AM
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What does this even mean? I see this tossed around for every example of a women behaving negativity. What character traits does every woman have? AWALT means that there is a set of traits that are common across all, or at least the vast majority of all women. Every woman from the ugly duckling bookworm, to the popular princess. All women like men with alpha features (tall, muscular, chiseled face), their attraction is extremely tentative, they have ridden or are riding the cock carousel, and are…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 07:32 AM
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In that case, what would you call the type of advice that says be nice=get women, if not blue?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 04:32 AM
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Is it really though? If you go to places outside TRP, TBP, PUA, PPD ect. that sort of advice is rare. In places that aren't associated with pills and seduction the advice will be "respect women, be nice, you'll find someone eventually". That, to me, is true blue. Remember, that's what TRP was originally intended to counter; the genuinely ineffective dating advice that permeates western culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 04:17 AM
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Pretty much. There are two types of Blue Pillers. The first is the type that is not exposed to pill ideologies, and is thus blue by default. The other is the type that hangs around places like these. The latter do believe Red Pill ideas, because they're exposed to them so much that they're pretty hard to deny. So their stance is something like "Yeah guys who are tall, attractive, work out, practice self improvement, are popular, and have nice jobs are going to get more women, but I'm still total…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 02:47 AM
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If you've ever looked through a picture thread on r/ForeverAlone you'll see a surprising number of attractive guys over there. So I would definitely say social awkwardness is much more of a problem than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 05:03 PM
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Status is about all the things that you have that sets you apart from everyone else. Things that are exclusive. Things that people envy. The status that makes you attractive to women are the things that she will benefit from by association with you. People usually associate status with social class. They think more money = more status. But really there's so much more to it than that. Status is constantly given off in tells. So many relatively minor things contribute to status, even among the mid…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 05:25 PM
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What exactly is the problem here? Is it that guys don't want to stay friends with you after you reject them? Or you just don't like getting rejected? Or that a few rejections just send you into a spiral of trust issues? Like I said, I think your problem, and the only problem worth sympathising with, is in how you're feeling, not in anything practical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 11:58 AM
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If that's genuinely how you feel, then I sympathise with that. But I only sympathise with how you feel, because in reality it's heavily exaggerated, and even a little paranoid. Can you honestly say that people want you around for absolutely no other reason than they want to have sex with you? Every single boss, coworker, friend, teacher ect. only wants to get in your pants? Can you honestly say that no one enjoys your company, laughs at your jokes, enjoys conversation with you? If you were a col…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 05:32 AM
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Low value men do empathize with women, to a point. We understand that there are certain struggles you have to go through that are unique to your gender. We understand things like getting one night stands doesn't give you the same gratification as a relationship, or that men want you primarily for sex. We understand that you have to filter through hoards of creeps and assholes to find the quality men. We just don't see those issues as that big a deal, compared to the romantic and sexual struggles…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 04:56 AM
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I've had a similar experience. I had a girlfriend 3 years ago. She became incredibly abusive and controlling. Destroying my friendships, isolating me from my family, stopping me from pursuing my hobbies and the things I liked, spending what little money we had on luxuries. I put up with it all because I was desperate, depressed, and lonely. She knew she could get away with it because I couldn't do any better. She would blame everything wrong in our relationship was because of my aspergers. Sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 07:44 AM
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The article reads like one long rant. For all it's emotion, I'm struggling to see the actual point it's making. This girl's got a bee in her bonnet about the "straight white man narrative" that apparently exists in all this dating advice, but she doesn't even spare a quote or two to tell us what the hell she's referring to. Clicking on the links in the article takes you to this much better written (but still not great) article on the same subject. I gather that the original author (Dani) has bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 04:53 AM
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Red, not purple, but I have a few strong opinions on nagging. It seems that everyone in this thread has a justifiable reason for nagging, and in these cases I believe them. If someone can't do something like take the trash out, I would get pretty pissed off too. But I doubt these people are chronic nags. Women that can't seem to get through a day without nagging about something. Take the woman in this article, Stop Calling Women Nags This is a woman who was "brought to tears" because of a roll o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 04:25 AM
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The legal system around marriage, parenting, and divorce is based on the (unfounded) assumption that the mother is good for the kids, and the father is bad. The assumption is that by giving the mother the house, the kids, more than half the father's money, child support, alimony ect. they will better be able to support the kids. The problem is that despite divorces being handled on a case by case basis, there is next to nothing that can be done to shake the legal system's insistence that the mot…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 01:56 AM
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Comparing men and women isn't about creating self pity and fueling outrage. It's about breaking others and yourself out of blue pill thinking. Blue pill thinking is rooted on the idea that men are women are either equal, or men are much further ahead. That they are delicate snowflakes that need to be respected by a proper gentleman. At some point a fledgling red piller needs to be snapped out of that. There's no better way to do that than to tell him "Your wife has banged 5 times the people you …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 04:00 AM
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This is what every guy has advocated for as long as these sorts of discussions have been going on: That women should approach first, because she'd only get hit on by the men she wants to hit on her. But it never works like that. It's just too easy for women not to have to approach. They get too much out of it. They avoid rejection and approach anxiety, they get more options, they get an ego boost, they get to shit test whether he's man enough to approach her. Women have decided that having to so…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:39 AM
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First of all, I don't think that anyone should enter a relationship with a person as an investment. Relationships aren't fair. People go for who they're attracted to, not for who they might be attracted to in one, two, or five years time. Not to mention you would be extremely unlikely to become attracted to someone after being unattractive for that amount of time. But, let's pretend fairness matters, and talk about the so called hypocrisy of expecting an investment out of a girl. Now all of this…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 07:03 AM
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Well there you go. You can't really explain how SJWs are effecting your day to day life. SJWs exist, their views are dumb, and they can be a bit of a nuisance. But they're not, in any practical sense, a barrier to you, or people like you, forming like minded friend groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 05:34 AM
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I don't believe that it is actually effecting your day to day life. If it is, explain how. Not in some long winded logical rabbit hole about the breakdown of social values. Not in bad things that happened, that you've attributed to SJWs through six degrees of separation. In actual, noticeable, tangible effects on your day to day life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 06:23 AM
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My social life as it is happens to be satisfying for me. So what's the problem? If everything's working out well for you why do you need these "safe spaces"? If none of this SJW shit is effecting your day to day life, why do you act like it's such a barrier to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 05:22 AM
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And why are you going to let that stop you socialising with the people you want to socialise with? Are you afraid that a bunch of tumblrites are going to boot down your door and interrupt your Call of Duty match? Do you think you'll have to work your way through picketers to get into your local LAN gaming centre? I'm sorry dude, but what you've got isn't rational. It's borderline conspiracy theory. "Gamers are over"? Common, who really believes that? It sounds like you're just making up a bunch …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 05:04 AM
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BPDs do often get rejected, but it has nothing to do with BPD being a generally female disorder. It's because BPDs are toxic, and people who know what's good for them get toxic people out of their lives. Interestingly enough, my experience with BPDs has shown that awkward, shy guys are more likely to enable a BPD's abuse. They'll put up with that shit when it happens to them, and ignore it when it happens to others they know, just for the pleasure of being around a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 04:14 AM
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Where are you getting all this from? Maybe a handful of tumblr users want to "besiege" nerdy subcultures, but no one in real life does. No one cares if you want to sit around your house playing video games with your nerdy friends. Girls sure as fuck aren't going to be trying to join in.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 04:00 AM
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But that's what subcultures are. Temporary safe spaces. That's all I'm advocating. So what's the problem? These things already exist. Is the problem that you find it difficult to find like minded people and form social groups? That is understandable. Awkward people that aren't outgoing are less likely to cross paths and mingle. Have you considered taking up hobbies or studies that appeal to people like you? Perhaps hit up your local community college for tech related courses. Meetup has a tonne …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 02:54 AM
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It was first suggested by a counselor when I was a teenager. But my mother refused to have it investigated or treated further. I wasn't formally diagnosed until I took it upon myself to do so a couple of years back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 06:07 PM
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Often it isn't. Often it is a source of acute pain and rejection and humiliation. Often it is a terrifying experience. I totally understand that. I used to have really serious anxiety when in social situations. Like almost to the point of panic attacks. It made it really difficult to focus, or develop social skills. What really helped me get past that was weed and anti-anxiety medication. It calmed me down, so I could be more at ease. Then, after I learnt enough social skills to get by, I was ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 03:22 PM
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Okay then. Is it common for awkward people to reject personality disordered individuals?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 01:31 PM
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Do you really want to isolate yourself to safe spaces though? Being around normal people, and dealing with normal socialising, is a huge positive influence for awkward people. Especially in a place like tech, where the awkward people can show their value in other ways. And you know what you don't find a lot of in socially awkward places, like STEM? Girls. Do you want to be isolated to a sweaty, socially awkward sausage fest all the time? I assure you, gatekeeping is not the answer. And normies a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 01:29 PM
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What the hell are you talking about? When did I say anything about excluding people with personality disorders from social lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 01:11 PM
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I'm sorry, are you saying I should be more accepting of my mothers abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 12:58 PM
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I'm 29 now. I began properly pushing myself to socialise better, and become more normal, when I was 20. I've worked in hospitality since then, which helps a huge amount. I'm forced to interact with people, and I get along great with my co-workers, and now friends. A lot of what helped was engaging in a lot of self awareness about how I was acting and coming across to people. On top of that there's some time spent understanding psychology, and red pill advice on masculinity. Trying to be a lot mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 12:43 PM
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As an aspie I can totally see where you're coming from, but disagree with your conclusion. Now I'm not saying this as victim blaming. If someone bullies or victimized someone, then the aggressor needs to be punished. I was bullied a lot and it certainly didn't help at all. It's unfortunate that success is far more dependent on social competency than actual skill. People that are outgoing and social have sexier resumes, and are the sort of people that others recommend for jobs. Don't get me wrong…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 12:35 PM
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Speaking as an aspie, I can shed a bit of light onto how kids with ASD are raised, and how the system generally doesn't help us. One thing that most ASD children have in common is they have at least one ASD parent, usually the father. When it comes to parenting, that becomes a case of the blind leading the blind. In my case my father was just so zoned out and emotionally distant that he didn't have the slightest concern for any of my troubles. If I expressed my struggles with friends and girls, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 12:16 PM
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He does not look good in that photo, but he is in no way irreparably ugly. He has a short haircut, which makes his hair look thin. If he grew it out properly his hair would look normal. He's also got a monobrow. A monthly trip to the salon to get it waxed would fix that. But worst of all is his expression. As is not uncommon for autistic people, he doesn't know how to properly emote. His eyes look crazy. His smile looks so unnatural. This is what makes him so unphotogenic. All of this stems from…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 11:11 AM
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Women like a certain type of male vulnerability. Think the tortured artist archetype. The Christian Grey tough exterior, hiding inner turmoil. Someone who has pain and troubles, but the specific type that doesn't bother them or stop them from achieving success. Minor issues, like some deep seeded father issues, that you almost never talk about. Having real issues, like being depressed and going to a funk every time there's the slightest hiccup, is unattractive. As for these tweets, there isn't m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 03:52 AM
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Not blue pill, but based on my experience both IRL, and around here, you would mostly get the cliches: Take care of yourself, be yourself, join some clubs, don't worry about it so much, not everyone is in happy relationships, the right person will come along eventually ect. Or, if they are the sort of bloopers that hang around here, you would likely get pretty much the same advice that TRP gives, just heavily sanitized.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 05:07 AM
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I agree with this. I do think that incels and incel related issues are important to TRP. The problem is the incels went way overboard with it. Some users would post some slight variant of the same topic every other day. Hell, just banning repetitive topics from single users might be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/18 03:56 AM
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As well as all the other good answers in this thread, there is the fact that a woman simply doesn't want to give the guy hope that he has a chance with her. She subconsciously fears that if she gives the guy advice, she will be the first person he uses it on. See, there's all sorts of advice she could give without hurting his feelings. She could say he'd look good if he did his hair, or he'd get some nice muscles if he went to the gym, or he would be cool if he took up some hobbies. But then a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 01:32 AM
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When supply and demand is heavily in one party's favour, that party gets to set the terms. Women can say they want traditionally masculine men because men don't care, as long as they want the women. Most men are not in demand. They have to minimise anything that could potentially turn women off, including saying they want a woman who cooks and cleans.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 12:33 PM
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Regarding validation, most men simply have to find ways to be content with internal validation. It's not really a matter off wisdom, as much as desperation. For most men, external validation is incredibly rare. We're not approached by women, we're not even given many compliments by men, we only get a minor response on social media. Most men are forced to find a number of activities that provide them with their own sense of validation. Be they hobbies, sports, constructive projects. It's not that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 12:24 PM
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I'd say most people were judging average by the people they most commonly see on a day to day basis. So they were referring to the mode, rather than the mean. Or, they're referring to a standard that is easy for 90% of people of that age to reach. Furthermore, I believe most people were disregarding outliers. So a hambeast you see at Walmart doesn't bring the average down. Here's the obvious truth about the whole "average man vs average woman" thing. Even average women are still attractive. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 12:30 AM
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Red Pill: Sexual and social attraction are based largely on factors most would call shallow. Simplified into your sexual market value. Your SMV is mostly based on appearance and status, supplemented by game and personality. Women's taste in men are almost entirely consistent across the gender. Women want men with alpha features, a strong dominant personality, and high status. For different individuals or cultures there are varied opinions on what makes up high status, as well as specific alpha f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/18 03:46 AM
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Excessive cutesy child like behaviour. This can switch to screeching harpy at a moment's notice. Not to mention it denotes attention seeking. Is frequently drunk, drinking, or hungover, outside of socially acceptable situations. Flirty to every other guy she comes across. Has a penchant for flaunting her sexuality, and with it manipulation. Will lose her attraction to you the moment someone better enters the scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 05:04 AM
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And despite all those things i always keep wondering why these people continue to have sex if it is really THAT BAD. You know what they say: The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting something different. These women just keep hoping that the next man will just know what to do, despite the fact that 99% of the last ones didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 03:27 AM
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Women who complain about men who are bad in bed are usually failing at communicating what they want. They feel that telling the man what they want ruins the attraction. That a "real man" would just know what to do. There was a woman here once who made that exact complaint, and referred to it as "bottoming from the top".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 11:46 PM
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But those are two different behaviours. If a man gets teary and flustered he's also seen as emotional and irrational, and also weak! If a woman gets angry, she's also seen as passionate and committed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 11:43 AM
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To be fair, I do think that single mothers are part of the problem. But they're not the only part. My mother would make sure all the men she was with after my father were easy to control. If they weren't already bad role models, she would do stress them and manipulate them until they did what she wanted. Being a single mother gives the woman excessive control over the child's upbringing, and that has a massive potential for abuse. Granted, my mother is an outlier, so not representative of all si…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/18 04:59 AM
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Was your mom divorced and your dad not in the picture? Yep. Abusive BPD mother. Divorced, absent, beta father. I don't have the exact statistics about single motherhood. I would guess that for middle class women, it's far more common to be a single mother from divorce, than getting knocked up out of wedlock. Growing up almost all of my friends were raised by single mothers. There was a mixed bag. The ones that ended up okay were the ones that had other strong male role models in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 05:27 AM
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I've often said that almost all omega males/incels suffered from poor parenting. If you look at the way any socially competent person lives at home, you see that they have a very healthy family life. Their parents take on the roll of life coaches. Fathers teach the boys life skills, sports, trade skills. The children are given active rolls in family social affairs. For omegas, their parents don't do that. Sometimes they enforce compliant behaviour, and a lack of social lives, through authoritari…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 12:51 AM
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The RP consensus about this is that boys who grow up in tough environments, eg. on the streets, and in rough country towns, become tougher and more masculine if they have a single mother. Whereas boys who grow up in sheltered, middle class suburbs become softer and more feminine. Interestingly enough the former is also where a single mother would have significantly less control over their children, which makes a huge difference when growing up under toxic, abusive, manipulative single mothers, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 12:20 AM
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Women in this position can then break their men down instead of building them up and wonder why he becomes more of a doormat. Based on my own experiences, and reading experiences from other's dead bedrooms, this is exactly the sort of thing that happens. Once she loses a bit of attraction she turns up the shit testing. If he stands up to her and passes her tests she just ups the difficulty until eventually he fails. She turns the whole relationship into a race to the bottom. She simply doesn't g…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 07:25 AM
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Yes, but only by a small amount. Most women who have particular standards for men who are particularly tall, attractive, and wealthy, do so because they have had some measure of success with men of that caliber in the past. Then, what they will usually do is aim slightly above their past successes. It's rare, but not impossible, for a fat, ugly, and/or mentally ill woman to look for a 6'3 male model who makes 120k. It's more common for a woman who is moderately attractive to think she can get so…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 03:15 AM
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Having experienced this from the other side, I can tell you that a small amount of what you say is right. Others...eh. They seem more specific to that one guy, with obviously a few problems. What's definitely right: Threatened by other men. Desperate for you not to leave them. Co dependence. Other things I can see happening, but could go either way. Some betas are really shy and not adventurous. But sometimes they get so happy and confident that they've finally found someone that they finally wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:04 AM
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I don't mean to say that everyone will have access to everyone's sexual history. But dating apps will be more adept at collecting data, and from that data an average n-count for men and women could be infered.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 06:02 PM
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I believe too much of the current SMP is rooted in human nature. The basic premises will remain the same. But legal and technological changes will have noticeable effects on the overall SMP. The next big apps will take over Tinder and Facebook, changing the way online dating and socializing works. As to exactly what that will be, I can only speculate. Sooner or later AI will have a role in matching both friends and romantic partners, Hang the DJ style. Looks and social media presence will have l…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 03:32 AM
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That's true, but I don't agree with looking at the whole thing as a test. It sounds like a way to "even the odds", which is basically what the wall is anyway. Most women will be content no matter what happens in their love lives, at least until they get really old, and face dying alone. You should go for what you want, and not concern yourself with what women are getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 06:27 AM
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That's true, your mileage will vary. Like I said, many women in their thirties, and even forties, are still quite attractive. Commitment isn't impossible to attain for older women. But lowering commitment standards is a tool utilized by older women who wish to continue having sex with attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 06:23 AM
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Sure, but she's still attractive enough. A woman like that will have no problem finding attractive men that are in between other attractive women. Men are thirsty, and they're not that selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 04:46 AM
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Well there you go. The woman is not a knockout, but she's attractive enough. She wouldn't turn any heads unless she dressed up a tonne. But the man is plain as. Not ugly, just plain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 04:33 AM
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The wall is heavily exaggerated by most red pill thought. It's not that once a woman hits her late 30s all men are immediately repulsed by her. It's more like a steady decline in male attention. Most women in their thirties are still more than attractive enough to attract even very attractive men, provided they have not gotten fat. But sooner or later they have to start making sacrifices if they want to get the attractive men they want. They need to start taking a more active roll in approaching…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/18 04:32 AM
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This is a way off the wall hypothetical, so the answer would depend on so many other factors. But I'll give the best answer based on my interpretation. I think the most likely outcome would be women just wouldn't get married that often. Every time she's popped the question she's really going to have to ask herself "Am I going to have to pretend to love this person for the rest of my life?". The risk of falling out of love will just be too damn great. Divorce settlements would have be almost non-…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 08:37 PM
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Absolutely true. For almost anything in life success begats more success. Employers hire people who've had good jobs. People want to be friends with people who have good social lives. Girls want guys who have lots of other girls. Getting set back in these things has a significant effect on future successes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 04:43 AM
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Because you're significantly less likely to suffer the negative effects of AWALT if you're more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 12:38 AM
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It needs to be said that the reason some men excel at this unspoken communication, is because these men are attractive enough to receive genuine IOIs a lot more often. I've often said that reading IOIs, and acting on attraction is a risk management strategy for men. You either assume attraction where none might exist, and risk embarrassment as a result, or you only assume attraction where you are highly certain, and risk missing out on potential partners. Men will find a risk management strategy…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 12:33 AM
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Most of the top level replies in this thread touched upon the answer, but this reply actually explains it. Women want the best value guys they have access to. Guys don't like girls who have banged other guys, especially not other guys they know. By withholding sex, they get to maximize their attractiveness for these top value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 12:04 AM
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I'm gathering that what you're saying is that these female privileges exist in countries like Iran, where men have a lot of other obvious privileges. Therefore, these female privileges aren't issues worth dealing with as part of a MRM. Is that more or less what you're getting at? Well, that's not really how the men's rights movement looks at things. The feminist movement sees it all as a suffering competition, where the winner gets all the activism and sympathy. The men's rights movement is abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 08:43 AM
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No. If an ugly woman wanted an incel it would be the happiest day of their life. They claim to have super high standards because it makes them feel better about being rejected: "You don't wanna bang me? Well you're an ugly slut and I didn't want to bang you anyway!"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 06:32 AM
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Well, obviously if a girl is okay with it, then she's okay with it... But this is more about why the existence of these exceptions is explicitly denied as part of the feminist position.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 03:29 AM
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Nah. There is an implied statement of "but it's okay if you're attractive" but it's not because it's obvious to all but the retarded. It's just part of the feminine imperative that you don't talk about the disparity of privilege between attractive and unattractive men, because they don't want to be perceived as immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 03:19 AM
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It's a strategy, but not purely a sexual one. It's a strategy for sex, resources, dominance, and social, legal and financial freedom. So it's more like a life strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 02:49 AM
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What you say is true, but it doesn't address OP's point. OP's point is not about the obvious fact that attractive men can get away with things that unattractive men don't. It's about how that contradicts the explicitly stated feminist position. Whenever women talk about groping, sexual harassment ect. in the media, they say it's always wrong, and should never be done. They never add the disclaimer "but it's okay if you're attractive". Because saying so would directly contradict the feminine impe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 02:46 AM
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If every other women were horny for low status, scrawny betas, and we explained it all as temporary restraint, then that would be true. But they're not. Every model should account for exceptions, provided those exceptions are in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 03:27 PM
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AWALT is a warning, that you will never find a unicorn. At some point a beta male will encounter a woman who he thinks "this one's different, this one is kind, and accepts me for who I am, and will never hurt me, and will love me despite my flaws and vulnerabilities". She tells a story that paints a completely different picture to her true nature. She says she wants a kind decent guy, who will share his true self with her. She may even be able to point to some evidence in her life to back it up,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/18 02:39 AM
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You can be at the bottom of hierarchies and still smile. I see Mexican guys in New York who probably sleep in shifts and live on bread and salt smiling. It’s because they have fraternal bonding and a sense of belonging.. When people hear the term "social hierarchies" the first thing they think of is money, or political influence. But these Mexicans are not at the bottom of the social hierarchy if they have friends and loved ones who value them. Not many people outside of Red Pill circles conside…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/18 02:00 AM
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Well that's just it, women can't be expected to bang people out of sympathy or threats. Women don't, and shouldn't, give sex as an act of charity. Men have to earn it by being attractive. But what about something a little more reasonable, like people in general just befriending these people? Should we befriend losers so no one gets shot? I would guess the answer would be exactly the same. The fact is these individuals are at the bottom of their social hierarchy, and social hierarchies are delica…
/r/TheRedPill18/02/18 01:34 AM
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That's absolutely true. But women don't see it that way. Women look for genetics, not strategy. To them, all attractive traits have to appear natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 12:24 AM
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It's not just TRP that you have to keep private, it's any discussion of female nature or sexual strategy. I don't even talk to most of my friends about it. The friends I do talk to about that stuff, I only do so because I know they have no contact with the majority of my social circle, and thus can't spread any gossip about me. It's not just the political correctness of the whole thing. Women, and blue pilled guys don't like the idea of people using sexual or social strategy as a science. It's u…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 03:11 AM
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I thought I already covered that. Men need a place to validate their frustrations. They need tools to sort out the confusion between what society tells you about women, and their actual experiences with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 02:33 AM
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I kind of agree. TRP does need to focus a lot less on anger phase stuff. When it does focus on it, it needs to be frame in a way that deals with the issues productively, rather than just raw venting. A lot of the current TRP anger phase stuff feels more like a way to feel morally superior to women, as a kind of indirect revenge for mistreatment. But, I don't think TRP should be concerned about its image from outsiders. One of the core premises of TRP is not to give a fuck what others think. If t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 02:28 AM
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Make no mistake, there is a lot wrong with TRP. You are right in saying that the ideal pill should be focused mostly on self improvement. But at the same time you have to have at least a bit of the anger phase stuff. People turn to TRP because A: They want to get laid, and B: They're frustrated with their position as a man in the world. TRP advice isn't just about getting laid, it's about dealing with those frustrations. You need to validate those frustrations, especially when the rest of the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 01:24 AM
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This. A woman under 40 is attractive if she's not fat, and doesn't have any significantly disproportionate feature. And by fat I mean fat, not a little puffy. I find it hard to picture a Plain Jane who literally gets no attention or recognition from even really attractive guys. I will throw them a bone and say there is another likely cause of Plain Janes being ignored, besides the obvious only counting approaches from Chads. A lot of plain girls have a constant resting bitch face. Their attitude…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 11:58 PM
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True, but it still wouldn't have the same appeal as TRP. First, a lack of resources isn't a burden on most women's lives. They don't need resources the way men need sex. Second, the resources she can get from men would be marginal. At best she'd probably be able to get 50% more resources from men. Compared to men getting anywhere between double to infinity times as much sex through TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 06:36 AM
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Right, you could give women advice on how to bed and marry the most attractive men. But even then that's not really a struggle for women. Where a beta or omega finds their romantic struggles to be a huge burden, most women are not particularly bothered by not being in relationships with alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 12:48 AM
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TRP appeals to men because it offers them something universally appealing, that is difficult, if not impossible, to find any other way. As the name suggests it's all about swallowing uncomfortable truths, at the pay off of getting what they desperately want. It may be possible to make a woman centric red pill equivalent, but it would never in a million years get the same traction. What could the green pill offer that women can't already get with relative ease? What would be the uncomfortable tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 12:17 AM
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That excuse sounds pretty fishy. First of all, he said she blew him regularly during their first week of sex. So her previous marriage didn't stop her then. That final excuse was only the last in the long line of excuses. You can hear the hamster turning through her head through the whole post. "I'll say he needs to be cleaner, that's innocent right? Damn, he started cleaning. Ummm, I'll say he's too big, so the flattery makes up for it. Damn he's trying to compromise. I'll say I need to initiat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 03:34 AM
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That's pretty much it. But the problem is she is getting angry and disappointed because her reality doesn't match up to her fantasy. She doesn't get that just because she can imagine something better doesn't mean that it is practical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 11:39 PM
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No, that's literally what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 04:55 AM
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Disagree. Women will, often explicitly, try to get you to open up about your childhood, weaknesses, relationship would your parents ect. It's not that we misinterpret what women say. We interpret what they say correctly, we just don't get that it's meant to be a shit test, and we just failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 03:46 AM
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Here's why women don't care about male suicides: Because to them, committing suicide makes you weak. If you've ever known anyone to commit suicide, you know that's not the case. You know they are unfortunate, sympathetic men, who have struggled for decades before finally having enough. But women have no tolerance for men's failures. This is what those women are really saying: A real man solves his own problems. If you haven't solved your own problems, and you kill yourself, then you were too wea…
/r/TheRedPill11/01/18 03:49 AM
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Franco concluded: “In my position, not only do I have to go through the embarrassing rituals of meeting someone, but sometimes it gets published for the world.” That pretty much covers it. When a regular person tries and fails at flirting, he just gets embarrassed, maybe a few giggles get shared at his expense, and then all parties move on and forget about it. But when you're famous, every girl has a platform to share every minor grievance they've ever had with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 12:30 AM
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Yes. Although I can't personally attest to any examples of having a good mother, and no positive male role models. So I can't say how much father figures come into the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 01:19 AM
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There was a friend I had in grade school, that I stayed in touch with through to high school. He had a very controlling mother. Would rarely let him stay over at other places, would get paranoid if another kid got sick. But the twist is he slayed pussy like you wouldn't believe. Because he was also lucky enough to have a brother that was much older than him. From when he was in his early teens his brother got him porn, taught him about sex, mentored him through becoming a man. So I'd say having …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 12:22 AM
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I'm also curious as to why her therapist recommended she confess. Surely a therapist wouldn't recommend just dropping a bombshell on her ex-husband like that, unless she thought he deserved it. My guess is the therapist was told a sob story, to somehow make her the victim. The therapist thought she was telling a poor neglected woman to confront the one who drove her to commit infidelity. I would even say the ex-wife shopped around for different therapists who would sympathize with her, and absol…
/r/TheRedPill19/12/17 12:52 AM
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According to at least a few posters there, they do lift, keep in good shape, have active lifestyles ect. The problem is that means fuck all if the woman has already decided you're unattractive. These women married men who they were attracted to just enough to have sex with and convince themselves they loved them. When that happens, all it takes is slightest failure to tip over into the unattractive category. These men made those failures, and now it's impossible to tip back. You hear it from the…
/r/TheRedPill15/12/17 04:41 AM
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You're right about the goals of both equality, and partnering up with higher status men seems contradictory. But, that doesn't mean women don't want equality. For example, the women in question could be doing any of the following: They're not considering sexual strategy at all. This is most likely. Few people really think about sexual and romantic strategy. They are considering sexual strategy, but they're not self aware of their own attraction relative to their own status. They are aware of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/17 01:03 AM
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Eh, see it as what you will, but Red Pillers have a flair for being a bit poetic in their wording. I sincerely doubt any of them actually tell their girlfriends to "Do what daddy says", unless they're in a very specific dom/sub relationship. As for your other post, there's not much to say but...yeah. TRP acknowledges the fact, not opinion, that men can be victims in sex and romance. I mean, obviously you don't like it. No one likes it. That's why it's called The Red Pill; named after a fictional…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 11:46 PM
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I'm curious as to how you're actually imagining the four dot points you listed. For the first two, they are things that are advocated by The Red Pill. But you seem to be seeing them as much worse than they really are. It sounds like you're imagining a domineering sociopath discovering TRP. Your girlfriend/wife is annoying you with all her demands and needs and you just want to tell to shut her up? Are you imagining a man telling his wife to shut the fuck up and go back into the kitchen, whenever…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 07:31 AM
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Those quotes present an understanding of women, that you obviously disagree with, but only the third actually hints at any unkind treatment towards women. Even then, it's subject to your interpretation. When I read those quotes, and take their implications on how you should treat women at face value, I read don't make sacrifices solely for gaining a woman's attraction, stay strong and attentive even long after you've "won over" a woman, and show authority towards a woman. Again, the last one is …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 06:45 AM
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Kind of, but not really. They key difference between female hypergamy, and male hypogamy, is desperation, and the time frames associated with that. Men want sex, pretty much all the time where it wouldn't otherwise be intrusive. We also find 95% of healthy weight, breeding age women attractive. Because of that convenience and certainty tends to take precedence over attractiveness. If a 9 is definitely DTF, then we'll ignore the equally DTF 6. This is where the "kind of hypergamous" starts and en…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 06:30 AM
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The title is correct. Most creepy behaviour comes from expecting women to pick up some, if not all of the slack in seduction. In my much more socially awkward younger years I would think "Maybe if I make my presence known to this girl, by looking at her, or just being around her, or making a casual remark to her, she'll start talking to me, and we'll hit it off" or something along those lines. It's not because of modern feminism, or attempts to avoid being labelled a creep though. It's just soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 09:32 PM
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This, all of this, is the correct answer. We knew that looks made girls like you. But we didn't know the full extent, especially as plenty of guys who aren't good looking manage to get girlfriends. Thanks to things like TRP I know understand that what these guys lacked in looks they made up for in social status. But most importantly I had no idea that I could actually improve my attractiveness. There is an idea, even among many adults, that attractiveness is just a fixed trait, that you're eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 12:56 AM
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Stand up comedy isn't the only form of comedy. Stand up comedians can't play off their character, unless they've spent pretty much their whole career building one. It's largely anecdotal, crude, and self depreciating humor, which men do tend to be a lot better at. Women do fine in character based humor, eg. Dee, Elaine, Lana, half the cast of Parks and Rec. They're just not as funny when they have to make people laugh for 10 minutes straight, on their own, starting cold. Even though men tend to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 06:57 AM
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I'd say it's mostly a response to people who say "your teens/twenties are the best years of your life" as a way to invalidate youth issues. I believe it was a Cracked writer who said that people that say that are so short sighted that they're only thinking of not having to pay bills, take care of kids, run a household ect. That said it can be interpreted as being a beta thing. If someone was alpha and their youth was full of parties, casual sex, and doing crazy risky things, then they're more li…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 05:25 AM
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In his mind, he was doing the thing I had most wanted—giving me sparkling bathrooms without having to do it myself. Which is why he was frustrated when I ungratefully passed by, not looking at his handiwork as I put away his shoes, shirt and socks that had been left on the floor. I stumbled over the box of gift wrap he had pulled off a high shelf two days earlier and left in the center of our closet. In order to put it back, I had to get a kitchen chair and drag it into our closet so I could rea…
/r/MensRights29/09/17 02:32 AM
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That's exactly it. I saw that a lot among my old friends in STEM. The guys are desperate, and the girls knew it. Even the worst behaviour from girls would be completely overlooked, and even supported, just for a chance to get close to them.
/r/MensRights28/09/17 07:36 AM
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You don't need to approach someone to be certain they're not attracted to, or aren't going to be attracted to you. When I learnt to talk to girls I didn't just flat out start hitting on girls. On the few occasions I did, it failed, I felt even more awkward, and was even more averse to doing the same again. What did help was learning social skills, and gradually escalating the non-romantic approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 01:33 AM
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Incels don't approach women because they know women aren't attracted to them. What they risk is humiliation, what little self esteem they have left, and further social rejection if the girl is part of their social group, school, or workplace. Honestly, it's not worth the risk. What is worth the risk is approaching people, men and women, without the intention of getting sex or romance. Start with small talk, then work your way up to casually hanging out, then forming friendships, then forming fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 08:30 AM
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Sounds like your parents were enabling you. I remember my mother doing some similar things, like stopped taking me to boy scouts or other extra curricular things. No explanation or anything, I was just going one week, and then never went again. For shitty parents, encouraging incel behaviour is a matter of convenience, because they don't have to spend the time and effort supporting their children's social lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 10:11 AM
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I'd say it's a lot higher than half that have shitty parents. Most incels are not actually too bad in the looks department. Sure, they won't become male models, but they're no uglier than tonnes of guys who get girlfriends. I'd even go as far to say that if you don't have shitty parents, you're pretty much guaranteed not to be incel. Incel habits start young, like around 6 or 7, get significantly worse throughout their teens, and then start to settle in their 20s. At any point through those year…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 02:39 AM
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Did it occur to her that she could just have easily gotten an extension/sympathy if she only mentioned the suicide threats and mental health ward? She obviously thought she needed to show every single victim card she had.
/r/TheRedPill17/07/17 05:41 AM
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Ad hominem attacks? Really? That's not ad hominem, not even close. In fact it's not even an insult. It's pointing out, quite rightfully, that what you think of men is likely quite similar to what you think men think of women. Just go to /r/theredpill frontpage and you'll see more than 90% of their threads are about women or dealing with women. Considering it is theoretically a subthread to improve and develop a man's skills and self esteem, it should be more focused on these issues, but it's mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 04:45 AM
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A major issue with the modern man is that we lack direction in life. We feel the need to fight for something. We want to help the world, to feel needed and useful. To paraphrase Fight Club, we have no great wars to fight, no great social movements to join. Wars are fought by a select few who have the physical and personality profile deemed necessary to fight them. Social movements take the form of likes, filters, and petitions. Sending a template letter about net neutrality is nice, but it's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 02:51 AM
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It's a common feminist meme that men are threatened by "strong willed independent career focused women". It's a narcissistic belief, an attempt to rationalize opposition as perceived superiority. Your post seems like a way to make men's issues gynocentric. Creating an idea that dealing with men's issues would mean harming women. The implied conclusion is that we shouldn't deal with men's issues. You touch on things that are kind of right. Men feel lost. Men feel like their masculinity is diminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 01:59 AM
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School shootings, teen suicides, and pedophile paranoia, all create a sentiment that kids aren't safe. OH&S laws, and personal injury liability have made schools excessively responsible for children's safety. School boards like the safety net. Teachers like the ability to get rid of boys they don't like. Parents like to feel that their kids are safe. It works out for everyone, but the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 01:32 AM
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That's interesting, because men seem to do the exact opposite, or at least week and insecure men do. They believe they are worthless ("I'm going to be alone forever, I'm so ugly, even the ugly girls won't talk to me"), but compare themselves favourably to other men ("He's just a dumb jock, surely Stacy will like my intellect and culture over his rock hard abs and party lifestyle.")
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 03:03 AM
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I don't think so. This is all hypothetical and speculative, but I believe mens chances would greatly improve with a better economy. A poor economy creates unattractive men, but not unattractive women. Both the jobs and status themselves, as well as the self improvement and enrichment activities they afford, have a major effect on a man's attractiveness, but only a minor effect on a woman's attractiveness. Now the rest is the really subjective part; how will women select when they have a large nu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 10:53 AM
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Okay? "Mr. Arthur, could you please hit the supermarket? We need milk." "No, I've got to get this shit graded." Okay, no problem. And sometimes he says no just because he doesn't want to do something. This is no big deal; so do I. Neither of us refuses the other when we're in serious need of help. This is something that needs to be addressed. The scenario your describing; with the polite and reasonable decline of polite and reasonable request, is all part of a healthy relationship. But based on …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 05:38 AM
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Is laziness a general problem in their life, or is it just relating to going to the gym with you? I've had my share of lazy friends, and the only solution was to no longer be friends with them. The best thing you can do is just go to the gym alone. You can't rely on anyone else to support or motivate you through life. That said there are some things you can try, but you have to be super casual about it. If you're too forceful people will double down and resist. Try setting up a time at least a f…
/r/askTRP16/05/17 02:47 AM
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I understand that the underlying emotions that come with BPD cannot be controlled by the individual. But they can control the way they behave when they have those emotions. The problem is that most BPDs decide to cope with their emotions by being abusive, blaming others, scapegoating, and all the other things mentioned in this thread. When you look at the patterns of their behaviour you see that their actions are not wild and out of control, like an anger outburst. They are in fact calculated fo…
/r/TheRedPill11/05/17 02:02 AM
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and im basing this on getting an earful about past exes and how she was sexually abused as a child within the timespan of 1 or 2 dates both of these things are BPD hallmarks This is absolutely correct. I mentioned this in another thread here about BPD, and a lot of people confirmed this was their experience too. A normal person may overshare every now and again, but BPDs will always overshare a lot of negative experiences. Abusive boyfriends, anorexia, abortions, rape, suicide attempts and drug …
/r/TheRedPill09/05/17 08:12 AM
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Well done, and thank you for sharing that. I've often suspected that BPD is only untreatable because the people that have it refuse to be treated. If they just accepted that they were in the wrong, not all the time but often enough, then they would make huge steps towards self improvement.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/17 08:03 AM
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I'd be more interested to see a photoshop that only changes the things that can be fixed. See what he would look like without acne, clean shaven, less fat on his cheeks and chin, and more muscle on his neck. That would be a fair comparison to show the limits of non-surgical self improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:21 AM
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What are the different causes of starfish sex? She's not attracted to him. She uses starfish sex as a way of zoning out of sex. She just lays there waiting for him to get it over with, trying not to pay attention to the penis in her vagina. Can a guy get a girl that's starfishing to stop and be more active? Unlikely. If she's unattracted to him everything he does to be more active, like kissing, foreplay, different positions, or dirty talk, will slam on her breaks. but I believe the primary reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 11:09 PM
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Seduction, and PUA communities in general, are like battle tactics. They think winning a battle is all about troop placement, capturing strongpoints and timing. Or in a literal sense; game, approaching, and conversation. The Red Pill recognises that winning a battle is almost entirely about having the better army to begin with. They teach the economics, politics and logistics required to build and field a better army. Or again, in a literal sense; training, grooming and status building.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 12:31 AM
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If there's one important lesson to take away from TRP is that you shouldn't take what women say about their preferences in men at face value. Believe it or not, that includes claims about being excessively picky. I confess, I didn't watch the video. The first minute was annoying enough. So maybe she addressed this already, I don't know. The truth is she isn't single because she's only waiting for Chad. She says it herself in the first minute that she feels bad about not settling down and getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 12:16 AM
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Okay, I can see the merit in that. Get the awkward stuff out of the way with a girl who you don't care about and isn't going to tell anyone, or even remember. The problem is a lot of these guys have some really deep problems with confidence. Where you might have a bad root with a bush pig prostitute, and realise that a bad lay isn't that a big a deal, these guys might go away feeling 10x more worthless than before. Just look at all the stories on /r/ForeverAlone where a guy has a kinda awkward, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 03:05 AM
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Eh, I'd prefer her over her friend any day. I'll take a small amount of stomach fat if it comes with boobs and butt. Who's to say men don't like her? That thread is not a good sample. I bet she gets checked out all the time. I'm sure all incels would be thrilled to be with a girl like that, even if some would say otherwise to attempt to boost their own egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 02:51 AM
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She's not perfect, she has a bit of excess fat, but she'd still turn a few heads. Don't confuse getting off over criticising something as hating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 02:42 AM
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I can confidently say that girl is hot. Clearly everyone in that thread (or whole sub?) is trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 02:23 AM
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I'm all for prostitution, but I don't get the whole idea that prostitutes are a solution for incels. It's probably different depending on where in the world you are, but prostitutes around here are pretty gross. Like 40yo+ drug addict or trafficked in from Thailand, and that's for $250 an hour. If you spend $500 an hour you might get an HB7 who will at least act like she likes you. Spending $250 for an hour of starfish condom sex, to be a meth addict single mother's 7th cock for the night would …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/17 02:21 AM
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It can go either way. My mother is basically what OP describes; putting my sister on a pedestal, and treating me like dirt. From what I can gather it's because her brothers were treated better by her father. I've heard other stories of women that were scapegoated by their abusive mothers because they were competitive against their own gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/17 11:11 PM
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Kind of true, but a lot of women will dismiss a guy's romantic struggles by rationalising it as him "looking to pump and dump" or "only caring about sex". People often shirk sympathy by coming up with a moral justification for someone's misfortune.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/17 11:08 PM
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I know there are more than a few incels who don't make any effort to improve themselves, and blame it all on being incurably ugly or something of the sort. But what about those that do make an effort? I'm sure you understand that they're not going to improve themselves overnight. It might take years and years of improvement before they have the social skills, status and appearance to get a girlfriend. During those years, they're not volunteering not to improve, but they're still not getting laid…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:41 AM
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It's true that people in bad positions in life most likely have some potential pathway and series of actions they could take to get themselves out of that position. But that's a pretty poor yardstick for defining someone's position as voluntary. I would only define an action as voluntary if the effort is relatively minor, low risk, and has a clear course of action.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:36 AM
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The friend zone is not... Being rejected by being told "I just want to be friends". Liking a girl you're friends with, although that's part of it. Unrequited love for a girl, although that's also part of it. A friend zone refers to a specific orbiter-orbitee relationship. The orbitee uses the orbiter as a sort of platonic boyfriend, who gives her validation, listens to her problems and occasionally gives material favours like money and rides. But he's not a friend, because she never invites him …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 05:12 AM
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I don't think it's a matter of self sabotage as much as it is a matter of self motivation. When you slack off you get further from your goals. When that happens you panic, feel ashamed, so you get extra motivated to hit your goals. Then you get closer to your goals, you get content, you lose motivation, so you slack off. Repeat cycle. What works for a lot of people is giving themselves a cheat day in their self improvement regime. Eg. a single meal of unhealthy food a week, before back to your u…
/r/askTRP23/01/17 12:40 AM
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Show me an incel who says "i'm incel because of my own choices. I don't feel like doing all the hard work that is necessary to improve and get laid" and I'll buy that man a beer. Thanks kind of true, but there's a lot more to it than that. Incels are seriously behind in a lot of aspects of life. Usually they have a lot to work on in career and social skills, and often a few other areas. They have to work harder than an average person if they hope to catch up on those things. Someone who's had be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 10:45 PM
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Though you don't explicitly state it, it sounds like you're only addressing red pillers complaints as being first world problems. I think we can agree that blue pillers are guilty of the same. They complain that terpers look down on women with high n-counts. In third world countries women with high n-counts get stoned to death. They complain about terpers using dread and negging to pump and dump. In the third world guys just rape and capture sex slaves to get laid. They complain about incels whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 02:25 AM
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The problem when people say that attractive men can get away with creepy behaviour, is that those attractive men are a completely different sort of creepy. Smacking a girl's ass at a club, or flat out telling a girl she's hot and you want to bang her, is creepy, but it's creepy in a confident, aggressive and assholish way. Gravitating towards a girl, acting awkward and nervous around her, and staring at a girl with a blank "deer in the headlights" look, is different. It's a sort of creepy that, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 12:50 AM
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Who'd have thought. It's almost like this ''personality'' aspect BP keeps telling RP about is important. Personality is important, we all know that. But telling good stories isn't just about communication ability. It's about having done or experienced things that are marks of status. Think about the types of stories that people are most interested in hearing about from a person. Anecdotes about social activities, your part in work projects, travel stories, sports stories. All things that relate …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/17 11:16 PM
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As I said, that's pretty much what it takes to be on the same level as the average incel male. Although even then I'm sure there are men with similar physical deformities who are willing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 12:09 AM
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See that's the part I find kind of hard to believe. I'm sure that if they can get pumped by a guy they find attractive, they can also get a relationship with a guy they find attractive. I doubt they're only getting asked out by unattractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 11:38 PM
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There's plenty of support and help available to women who for whatever reason are unable to form a relationship with someone they want to have a relationship with. Yep. These women who are literally deformed have hundreds of comments on their social media saying that they're beautiful. They have girlfriends willing to befriend them and include them in social activities. They probably even have a few decently attractive men who take them on dates, even if it's just "charity". It may be fake, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 11:20 PM
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Are there really any women that get pumped and dumped all the time, by multiple guys, but are still incapable of finding a boyfriend? It seems like if you have the confidence, social aptitude and looks to have lots of casual sex, then you can also get a boyfriend. They probably look like Elephant Man, though. Pretty much this. If a women is going to literally be comparable to an incel male, meaning no casual hook ups, relationships or decent social life, she would have to be monstrously ugly. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 11:12 PM
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Yes, I'd like to see a real example or two of an incel woman. They get talked about all the time here, but we never see a real one turn up to explain their side.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/17 10:58 PM
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There's not that much to it. After a lifetime of bitterness at being beta they get a hit of falsely deserved confidence, and jump at what they think is their turn to be assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/17 09:42 AM
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When you're depressed it does help to know that others are also experiencing something similar. Even though it doesn't help your external situation, it's comforting to know that you're not crazy for reacting that way. Incel communities like r/ForeverAlone and r/incels form to fulfill that psychological need. It's healthy to use this as a temporary coping mechanism, so you can easier manage your external environment. It's not healthy to wallow in those communities to justify being that way, which…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 03:53 PM
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You are confusing the way they present themselves to others as an internal improvement. Try telling the people at r/raisedbyborderlines or r/BPDlovedones that BPDs in their 40s aren't so bad (that's rhetorical, don't actually tell them that). Almost everyone there has or has had a BPD in their lives who would act totally normal in public, to therapists, to cops ect. but become shrieking harpies when alone. They continue this behaviour their whole lives and show no signs of stopping. Even if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 03:45 PM
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You call it "settled down". More likely they learn how to hide it, and only use their destructive behaviour in more covert and socially acceptable ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 09:34 AM
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Yes, being well off is definitely attractive. But the point of this, the one that bloopers miss when they say "you don't need status to be attractive", is that it's not the only marker of status. If you take an average middle class group of people, the ones with what you would call "petty status" tend to be the most popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/17 03:11 AM
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You can call it "petty status" compared to being rich and famous, but who the hell judges their self worth by comparing it to those people? Are you worried that Zac Efron and Mark Zuckerberg are going to walk into a bar and steal your girlfriend? Of course not. High status within your social class, interests and passions is more than enough to make you popular and get you laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/17 01:12 AM
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Unless you're comparing them to other regular middle class dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 07:33 AM
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Yes. Wealth is valuable and a symbol of status and gives you opportunities ect. ect. No one's going to argue that. What I'm arguing, and you don't want to get, is that there's so much more to status than wealth, power and fame. All the things I've mentioned you can do as a regular middle class dude, and they are all status indicators.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 07:19 AM
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It sounds like you're trying to justify everything you do and have, or are working towards doing and having, as being status indicators, and dismissing everyone else's qualities as not being status related. Maybe you should listen to what about half a dozen people have said on this thread; status is relative to your social group. A lot of people appreciate someone who can make good music, or put on a fun magic show on a street corner, or can do a 100m sprint in under 10 seconds, or spends their …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 06:48 AM
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You say it's not about status, but you just said that not doing things like playing in a band, having a good social media presence, or things of the sort, makes you incompetent. You are attracted to status, but you call it competency because you don't like the moral implications of being attracted to status.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/17 01:29 AM
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I can't say you're wrong about status only being part of being attractive, although TRP doesn't say otherwise. But, your idea of status is wrong, because like I said, it lacks nuance. If you do something that sets you above your peers, that gets you respect and recognition, that's status. Sure, you could just call it "being interesting and having hobbies", but what makes you interesting? What hobbies are going to be the most attractive? Is growing a vegetable garden equally attractive as perform…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 11:08 PM
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There you have it; women see guys that don't have these status indicators as incompetent. Straight from the horse's mouth. Kind of also supports u/wub1234's point that women are resistant to the idea that status is valuable, because you would rather call it something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 09:44 PM
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So the guy who plays in a band isn't a loser, but all the guys that go to watch him that don't play in a band are losers? I thought terpers were supposed to be the ones that didn't understand nuance. What trp fails to realise is that such trappings of status, such as wealth, fame, etc, that in and of itself won't make a woman attracted to you. Like I said, yet again, bloopers think that's what status is. They don't get the more nuanced indicators of status within a social class.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 09:37 PM
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Exhibiting art and performing music isn't a finer thing in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 03:32 PM
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See before where I said bloopers think status means being wealthy, powerful and famous. If you can get reservations at fine dining establishments that could be a status symbol. But only if it's something the rest of your social circle both wants and can't obtain themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 03:31 PM
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When I say "middle class activities" I just mean they don't cost a lot of money, or require you to be part of any sort of elite. They do require time a lot of time, effort, and networking though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 12:56 PM
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Having a hobby that you get professional recognition for, such as having an art show or competing in a sport. Being referred to others for paid work when someone needs a job done. Knowing the bouncers of a club and being able to get past the lines. Basically anything that gives you recognition and respect from your peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 12:17 PM
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A lot of bloopers think status means being rich, famous and powerful. They don't consider things like playing in a garage band, having a good social media presence, and other regular middle class activities as being status indicators.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 11:36 AM
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I always thought it was referring to the studies that showed something like 20% of men are considered attractive, and 80% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 11:29 AM
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I can tell you from experience that most girls do not see that as cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/17 01:02 AM
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Okay, so I assume you believe that don't display any creepy behaviours and mannerisms, like the ones I described?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 04:08 AM
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That's not a caricature, that's actually pretty common behaviour. I've done it myself, and I've seen others do it, and it comes off as creepy every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 04:04 AM
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Okay, shyness is one thing and it doesn't help, but I'm talking more about subtle mannerisms. How does your shyness effect your behaviour in ways that could make others uncomfortable or make you look creepy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 01:37 AM
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That's a massively broad statement. If an attractive guy stared at women with a blank "deer in the headlights" look, made awkward attempts at smiles at her without making conversation, and gravitated towards her without good reason, he would be seen as just as creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 01:35 AM
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A guy who seems nice but then weirdly follows you around the bar all night trying to sneak in to dance with you is another. That's a perfect example of behaviour that sets of people's creep alarms. Gravitating towards a girl in the hope that she will be the one to escalate is pretty typical nice guy behaviour, and can be spotted from a mile away. That's probably what u/Carkudo meant when he said he's been "creep shamed for being in the vicinity of women".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/17 01:30 AM
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A lot of people have given you advice on not being creepy. But we can't tell you everything you're doing wrong, because we can't see how you interact. Why don't you try to think of things you might be doing wrong? I don't mean vague things like "showing sexual desire". I mean specific mannerisms; the way you talk, dress, hold yourself ect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/17 01:49 PM
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No one says attractive people can't get away with more. We all know they can. But yes, if attractive people behaved just as creepy, they wouldn't get positive female attention either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/17 01:43 PM
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Of course divorce is emotional. At least one side is resentful of the other. Every cent and hour with the kids has intense emotional value attached to it. Every little bit taken or lost, and every hour you have to spend in court, is someone you once loved hurting you. Even if you were able to be mature about the whole thing and deal with it entirely rationally and fairly, you would have to be a zen master not to attach at least some sort of personal significance to all of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:43 PM
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Are some RPers emotional and hypocritical? Absolutely. Are those people representative of TRP as a whole? Dear god no. Why don't you try framing those points as a question on r/asktrp? Here's the answers you would get if you did: Who gives a fuck whether women complain about TRP? Just do what works for you, and keep it to yourself if people don't like it. Who gives a fuck if women are hypergamous? Who gives a fuck if women are morally wrong or right? Work on yourself until you're in the top 20%,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 01:59 AM
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I get your issue with the more extreme aspects of TRP. But your whole TBP description is off. You're basically saying TRP is right, but terpers are wrong because they didn't figure it out on their own. I mean I can understand not wanting to validate the whole idea of a blue pill conspiracy. But you must understand that people grew up in a lot of different environments with a lot of viewpoints. It wasn't obvious for everyone, and as nice as it would have been to learn this in our teens, some of u…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 12:19 AM
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PPD used to be about a more moderate version of TRP. Discussing the nuances of AWALT and hypergamy, and toning down the blatant sexism. Now it's just a forum for any gender based issue. It was briefly dominated by incel posts, but the mods took executive action before it became another r/incels. The views seem to be pretty polarized. RPers hate everything BP, BPers hate everything RP. Fruitful discussions are rare because each side just wants to vent about the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 11:53 PM
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Well, pedophile or school shooter might be exaggerating a bit, but I was definitely considered the weird kid until I learnt to properly present myself. The biggest change was when I started working at this cafe when I was 20. Even though I was still considered odd, I wasn't treated like I was some kind of subhuman. I think being able to make a fresh set of first impressions helped a lot. In Pain and Gain Mark Wahlberg said "The hardest part about changing yourself is changing how other people se…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 02:37 AM
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No. I knew a guy who was even shorter than that, almost a midget, and was even mildly deformed, and he had a girlfriend. I think there's something else going on that trial22 hasn't addressed for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 11:57 PM
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I really don't know how I would have reacted to 80/20, hypergamy and AWALT at a time when I had basically no real-life experience with dating and was self-conscious. The AWALT stuff probably makes up 70% of the bitter postings there. The other 30% is blue pill examples. Someone once recommended that all that stuff should be put in a weekly thread, kind of like what they've done with incels here. That would make huge improvements towards cleaning up that sub. It's hard to say. I am all for dishin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 04:38 AM
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YOU are the problem and YOU are the solution, if you choose to be. That's what people should take away from TRP. It basically says the world is tough for guys, so you need these tools to help you deal with it, and if you don't use those tools it's your fault. I can't help but think the more bitter posts over there are from guys trying to emphasise their victimhood status, so they can justify the cognitive dissonance of not being able to navigate life properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 04:09 AM
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This is exactly what we're talking about. You get negative reactions to your interactions with people, and you jump straight to the conclusion that it's all hopeless, rather than analyzing and determining what was wrong with the way you interact. I've got aspergers too, and I get plenty of positive reactions from women. Sure, romantic interaction with them is rare, but often enough that I know it's not hopeless. I still have a fair way to go, but I have made leaps and bounds in my social skills.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 01:23 AM
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Social media, hobbies ect. are the main determinants of status.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 12:23 AM
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Instead of taking advantage of what he's gained (physical fitness, money, friends) he is lamenting what he lacks. This is what I believe is at the core of the Incel's defeatist mindset. They think their self improvement isn't helping their situation because they measure their progress in girlfriends gotten. That's the wrong way to look at it. If you find something that difficult you need to take baby steps. You need to measure your progress in girls smiling or laughing(with you, not at you), gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 04:54 AM
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knowing my place and cutting down on flirting and approaching women as potential partners made social interactions go much more smoothly. I can't know for certain without seeing how you interact, but the way you put this is very telling of what your problem is. If flirting with women was making social interaction go badly for you, then your problem is that you're not good at flirting. You probably came off as creepy not because of anything relating to your looks, but entirely because of your att…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 04:36 AM
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Spot on. Of course you have a tonne of incels saying they tried really hard for a long time, and still got no results. Something tells me that their self improvement wasn't what they say it was, or wasn't directed at the real issues. If someone wasn't horribly deformed or disabled, they could get a decent job, a good social circle, a handful of neat hobbies, and a good social media profile. If they had all of those things, I find it hard to believe that at some point they couldn't get a girl int…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 04:26 AM
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Mostly red, but there's a lot I dislike about TRP. They lack nuance, and deal with what only a Sith deals with. Things like hypergamy, the wall, BB, AWALT ect. are general observations and cautions. Plenty of beta males and 30+ women have fulfilling relationships, without cheating or divorce rape. They focus too much on the evils of feminism and the woe of the modern beta male, and not enough on self improvement, which is what TRP was supposed to be about. The subreddit is a mess. They do little…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 01:19 AM
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Though moderating is their job, it's not the mods responsibility to moderate every single post in this sub to make sure it follows proper debate etiquette. It's just too big a task, and too much subjectivity is involved. Rather the individual needs to be able to call out when someone isn't arguing in good faith, which I think the user in the thread you linked to did a good job of. I do find it interesting though that the bad faith arguments are related to abusive women. In a recent thread about …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:12 AM
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It's tough, but it's not impossible. As I've said before the issues regarding omegas are deep, very very deep. From what I read when I occasionally lurk in r/ForeverAlone, FAs first need to address the fact that they can barely face each day. It's classic depression and anxiety, but seemingly quite extreme. A really tough part is that you're likely going to need to formulate your own strategy for dealing with your issues if you can't find any writings that will help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:47 AM
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It's not bad advice per se, it's just not good advice either. They're platitudes, too vague to be worth anything unless you don't really need the advice in the first place. If you're failing socially and romantically you need an instruction manual, not a handful of catch phrases. TRP succeeds because it provides at least part of that instruction manual.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:43 AM
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Fight Club. Good example of an RP movie. I would also add American Beauty, American Psycho, Goodfellas. Hell, a lot of 90s movies aimed at guys were pretty RP. The only thing is it's hard to really apply those methods to your life. Few of us are members of underground fight clubs, or grow up with gangsters, or are rich New York businessmen. For the most guys they're seen as a bit of escapism and possibly some inspiration, before going back to their normal BP life. I did actually use a lot of tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 04:12 AM
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Weak, submissive men are the punch line of every series while the strong masculine men are the cool lead roles. Do you think you might be seeing it that way because you're already looking at it from a RP perspective? You attribute their attractiveness to their muscularity and masculinity, because you already know that those things are attractive. Most likely the writers just wanted a stereotypical jock, and it just so happens that attractive muscular men fit that stereotype. Most of the people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 03:52 AM
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Can we just be honest and admit that neither gender is particularly great at giving or receiving signals? Unfortunately for guys, this signal game isn't clearly divided. Sure there are some obvious cases of girls that do or don't like you, and signal as such. But no matter what there's always going to be an overlap between girls that like you and don't like you, that from your perspective behave exactly the same towards you. The guys with abundance can select entirely from the obvious cases. I g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 12:43 AM
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I don't think women are less empathetic than men. The Red Pill assumption that women aren't empathetic is caused by the assumption that they make their sexual and romantic choices based on empathy. Eg. "Women don't sleep with me, therefore they're not empathetic towards me and my struggles". The sentiment that you should take away from it is not to rely on anyone's empathy to change how the feel and act towards you. Unattractive stuff is still unattractive, even if people empathise with you and …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 03:49 AM
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More because prostitutes in the countries where it isn't socially acceptable tend to look less like this, and more like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 02:31 AM
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Exactly. From my limited vantage point it seems that alphas and betas have a slightly skewed, but still reasonable "attractiveness to n" relationship. Eg. an 8 guy might get laid 50% more than a 6 guy. Note I'm not a fan of SMV ratings, but I'll use them here to illustrate my point. But omegas can see that once attractiveness hits a particular low, say around 4, n drops straight to zero. It doesn't have to be physical attraction. Poor social status, careers or financial status can completely exc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 01:06 AM
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I don't think there's much of a deeper psychological meaning behind this than prostitutes are seen as dirty, gross and low class. At least that's how it is in most western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 12:09 AM
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See, you're jumping to absurd conclusions: You think that claiming some men have been abused is the same as claiming all men can do no wrong. That's called splitting. I guess that's why you're so emotionally invested in it. You probably also think that saying some women are abusive is the same as saying all women are abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 05:57 AM
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See, that's what I'm talking about. You assume they're making an absurd claim, despite there being nothing in the context of the article that says so. You are clearly emotionally invested in the idea that a woman can't abuse a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 05:01 AM
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Red, bordering on purple, because it's the best way to explain why you get treated the way you do in the social and sexual marketplace. I've experienced first hand how differently you get treated when you're attractive. I don't follow the more extreme aspects of TRP. I understand there are nuances to the whole thing that are lost in a lot of the RP theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 03:26 AM
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Because you're projecting a normal woman in a normal relationship onto what is claimed to be an abusive women in an unhealthy relationship. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming that there must be more than the minimal context that article gave, because if there wasn't they wouldn't claim to be abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/16 12:44 AM
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And here we have the problem. These men claim to have been abused. You are giving them the minimum benefit of the doubt, and completely denying that abuse, for no reason other than you don't want to believe that men can be abused by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 11:41 PM
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Wife: I was too busy being passed out drunk to cook dinner. Make your own hot meals. Husband: Okie dokie. Relationship = fixed!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 11:22 PM
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The full quote is here: She recounts some of her research that showed that when men talked about women’s violence against men, some cited abuse as not having a hot meal on the table, not having the children bathed before bed, or women spending money on gambling or shopping. Somehow I feel like they left out a lot of context. If not having a hot meal on the table was a regular occurrence, and was done out of anger from the woman, then it could be considered abuse. Keep in mind if a woman wasn't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 03:53 PM
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Repeated nagging is emotional abuse. You may not consider it that big a deal to get upset over dishes not being done once every month. It is a big deal if it happens every week. If the husband has to walk on eggshells because he doesn't know the next thing he's going to do wrong that's going to send her on a nagging fit. If she nags not because she wants the task done, but because she wants to relieve her anger at her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 03:45 PM
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Nagging is an act of anger and aggression. Repeated nagging is a surefire sign the relationship is dead in the water. When the wife loses attraction to the husband she gets frustrated at him. She looks for a moral reason to justify that frustration. Housework is the most obvious thing she can find. After all, at any given time there are going to be a great number of things that need to be done around the house, so there's always going to be something to point the finger at. She attributes all of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/16 02:59 AM
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They don't specifically target those people, but they do still give useful advice. It's not like omegas have no need for diet, exercise and grooming advice. Of course, if one's issues are so bad that they can't even make conversation with women, then they should look for help beyond RP. Like I said, treatment for mental health, anxiety and depression should be their first stop. Again, it's all about taking a different approach depending on where you're at in life. If you can't talk to people or …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 03:52 AM
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For example a dgaf attitude can be cool when a beta guy uses it, but irritating when an omega does. I hear you there. I had a friend who tried that once. It was pretty cringy to see him try to act all alpha, while being a walking joke himself. Or take the 80/20 principle. If you are a beta guy with at least a bit of experience, you will not lose all hope like "omg, I'll never make it into the top 20 that means I will never have sex". Many omegas take it far too literally. Agreed. A lot of RPers …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 11:04 PM
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If someone is omega, it means they probably have some pretty serious issues in more than one area of their life. Usually some kind of severe anxiety, or other psychological issue. In which case the first thing they should do is see a therapist, and start doing things to manage their mental health. Hitting the gym is also important, but for non-aesthetic reasons that the omega will find more useful: It's good for social anxiety, because you're forced to be around other people that don't give a fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 10:51 PM
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The Red Pill may be aimed at betas and alphas, but that doesn't mean omegas can't make use of it. There's plenty of RP writings on hygeine, mental health, diet, excercise ect. that's still beneficial to omegas. It seems most of your argument is regarding dread and abundance. All I'm getting from this is that TRP should be used with caution and your personal situation my necessitate different approaches. Probably a bit more reasonable than to say it's not for omegas.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 04:11 PM
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Yes. Apart from the other reasons in this thread, it's easy to be a fly on the wall. When you're around girls, and you're not desirable by any of them, they speak like you're not there. They talk about guys they do and don't like, their flings, dates and relationships. You hear how the 20 year olds talk about guys completely different to the 30 year olds. You hear them brag about the bitchy things they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/16 02:28 AM
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I disagree. If a woman can get casual sex without the guy insisting on a paper bag over her head, I'd find it hard to believe she couldn't find a relationship with similar ease. I know there are valid reasons that a woman can be incel, but if you are having casual sex then those reasons probably don't apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 05:48 AM
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Whether you realise it or not, you reacted positively to his crude flirting, or at least from his point of view you did. That's the sort of thing that will make guys think they have a chance. If a guy is still pursuing you and hanging around with you after rejection he's just inexperienced and doesn't know that it's a dead end. He thinks that eventually you'll come around and develope feelings for him. In the mean time he'll accept your company as a meager substitute for romance because he's lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 05:36 AM
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That's pretty accurate. Neglected children at least have the opportunity to develop on their own and become well rounded people. Children of engulfing parents are at the mercy of what their parents want them to be. Myself and the other omegas that I used to hang out with all had pretty similar family dynamics; divorced mothers, scapegoats of NPD or BPD parents, growing up with constant manipulation and drama, discouragement from sports, getting jobs, standing up for themselves ect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 02:37 AM
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It sounds like it's not just drinking laws, but the social and party culture in general. Where I went to school there were parties, but they weren't the whole "come one, come all" vibe you describe. If you weren't popular or with someone who was, you couldn't just turn up. Bars and clubs are just places to drink and dance, so not fun if you're not very social.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 01:35 AM
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You understand attitude has a huge impact on how you come off to people. People are well aware that you don't talk about the stuff you talk about online to people in real life. They're gauging your attitude based on your tone and emotions expressed. Scrawny isn't ugly, unless you're almost anorexic. Plenty of scrawny guys get girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 03:53 PM
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Without knowing you or what you look like it's impossible to say for sure. But I would bet your problem isn't ugnliness. I mean, can you confidently look in the mirror and say you're ugly? And when I say ugly I don't mean "not a male model", I mean downright hideous. Like a messed up bone structure, obese, terrible grooming, or a bad skin condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 02:26 AM
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I sincerely hope that place is a joke. The sidebar is literally a picture of Elliot Rogers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 11:36 PM
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I know you're exaggerating, but it's not too far off for some of the posters. I like to post there to give well meaning advice to those who do seem to be dealing with their situation constructively. But when I do I have to expect a wave of downvotes. Meanwhile there will almost always be a response along the lines of "there's no point when you're ugly", usually upvoted to the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 11:26 PM
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I lurk and post on FA occasionally, and it does seem a lot of the posters there do self improvement activities. A good deal study, join clubs, work out ect. But they claim it hasn't helped them one bit. Most of them are rooted in the idea that it's because they're ugly, and that can't be fixed. Every time someone posts a photo of themselves there it's of a normal looking guy who could maybe stand to lose a few pounds, so take that as what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 11:16 PM
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Women making themselves look good is a product of there being cheap and easy ways to do it. Back in ye olde times only the wealthy made themselves up, because only they could afford the expensive powders and the servants to apply them. Now days $20 gets you a month's supply of make up, and it takes a 5 minutes to apply it in a way that makes you look significantly better. So unless nuclear war breaks out or our economy takes a serious downfall, women are going to keep putting effort into their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 12:09 AM
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Do guys want sex for pleasure? Yes. Do guys want sex for validation? Yes. Would they continue wanting sex if they got no validation from it? Yes. If people want validation and fame in their adult life there are more than enough places to get it. I guarantee you Hugh Hefner never once thought "My life with mansions, hot girls, and millions of dollars is so empty without the high school jocks and teenagers here to give me high fives for it".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/16 11:10 AM
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It sounds like he was desperately trying to buy her affection back. "Maybe if I let her keep the ring she'll realize that I'm the nice guy she needs and come back to me".
/r/TheRedPill16/11/16 04:34 AM
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...That wasn't the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 08:11 AM
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Ummm, yeah? I'm going to assume you're a straight male. How would you feel if a man said "have you been working out? you're looking good"? How would you feel if a woman said it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 05:05 AM
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Yeah, no one called Veruca Salt stubborn because they disagreed with her political views. If you want to act like that I can't stop you, as much as I would like to. But don't pretend you're a martyr when people react negatively because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 04:35 AM
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I get what you're saying, it's a matter of perspective and all. But if someone refers to someone as stubborn, especially in a political context as you seem to be focused on, it's less likely that they're Martin Luther King, and more likely that they're Anne Coulter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 04:20 AM
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No. stubborn adjective having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of good reasons to do so. If someone describes you as stubborn, they are not saying you are motivated, determined, or ambitious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 04:08 AM
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If they're stubborn why do they change when they read TRP? Wouldn't a stubborn and socially inept person reject that as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 04:00 AM
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No. Just no. That is not what stubborn means.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 03:44 AM
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And why do you think this "minority" can't figure it out?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 03:14 AM
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Something to note is that I also had extremely low self image as a child (actually wanted to kill myself when I was like 6) so a lot of that 'brainwashing' might have just been shrugged off had I had a healthy sense of self & value (progress is underway). This is important to note. A lot of people are damaged in at least a few ways, and this is why proper education is important. A normal person, with normal hobbies, fitness, personality ect. is going to look at TRP and think "what's the big deal…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 02:51 AM
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Don't extrapolate your own experiences to the whole world. That sounds exactly like what you're doing. I'm not talking about what individuals do, I'm talking about the pervasive attitude of western society in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 02:42 AM
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I have to survive now and have no time for this bullshit where men are backlashing against any appearance of a "strong woman". No one backlashes against anyone for being a "strong woman". The backlash is against women who are hostile, misandristic and stubborn, and put all of that under the guise of being a "strong woman".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 02:40 AM
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There isn't any "Blue Pill conspiracy" if that's what you're asking. It's more like the fact that people are, at large, uncomfortable with Red Pill ideas. For the most part it's not that they deliberately teach people the opposite, it's that they just avoid teaching them these ideas. Media, parents, schools ect. doesn't teach you about things like alpha males, and what makes someone alpha. They don't talk about how you can go from a skinny weakling to buff with proper training and diet. They don…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 01:25 AM
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lease don't list things men can also bring like love, kind words, support Women bring love, kind words and support, that mean a hell of a lot more. It's like asking "what does Usain Bolt bring to the Olympics that I don't, and don't say running, it needs to be unique to him."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 12:55 AM
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The people I've known who have gone through weight loss surgery were far from "lazy". There are different types of lazy. You can work 14 hours a day at your job with ease, but still dread the idea of 3 sets of bench presses, or eating something that isn't smothered in fat and sugar.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 11:57 PM
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You're not just going to stop being RP if you don't read TRP regularly. You'll probably slip up a few times, but reading TRP too much isn't going to help that. I'd be more worried about what you're reading about if you read it every day. Dwelling on anger phase writings isn't great for your mood.
/r/askTRP05/11/16 03:54 PM
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Here is what I hear when I read this: I want to be loved but I don't want to have to work hard to be a person deserving of love. Then you are reading it completely wrong, to the point that I don't think you even read it. He's talking about wanting to be loved when things aren't going great, and he's not at his best. The core issue isn't about putting in work, it's about security. It's about putting in work to keep yourself interesting, and because of that you don't have to worry about getting yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 04:31 AM
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It's not that men don't want to have to do anything to get loved. The male romantic fantasy in the comment you're referencing doesn't say anything like "why can't I just lay on the couch eating chips off my pot belly and have girls love me?" In fact I'd say most men wish that doing something would result in being loved. Aladdin did things to get Jasmine to love him. He protected her from thugs, showed off his sweet parkour moves, and entertained her with his cute monkey. But how would that play …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 03:12 AM
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I was always kinda average in build. A little skinny, but with a small amount of fat. So my transformation hasn't been extreme, but the improvements are definitely there. Since working out my jawline and cheekbones are more pronounced, which makes my face look stronger. Before I started losing fat I would have said I had nothing special face wise. My body is significantly better. It's gone from being nothing special to at least looking nice, but I still have a fair way to go. I moisturise twice …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 10:54 PM
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First of all, I completely agree with you OP. Most guys should at the very least know the basics of bettering their appearance. The main reason men don't do it is because it's not part of male culture. Women talk about grooming all the time. Men never do. If they did they would be made fun of and called gay and effeminate. The replies in this thread should tell you the sorts of mindsets men have on the subject. I get my eyebrows waxed once a month and keep them neat with tweezers between then. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 10:46 PM
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This is accurate. If a woman's attracted to you she will find chemistry in you. She will try to bring out a connection with you even if you're shy and awkward. If she's not attracted to you she puts up a wall, and no amount of game and charisma can get through that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 11:28 PM
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Oh yeah they are addicted to sympathy. I said in another sub that BPD mothers would gladly drive their kids to suicide, just so they can feed off the sympathy. That's not even remotely exaggerating. That little bit of sympathy is worth ruining lives to them.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/16 11:16 PM
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It's normal to stare off into space occasionally, but BPDs do it all the time. Like you said they do it when you're trying to talk to them about something important. We would be walking through the mall and I'd say "let's go in here for a sec", and she'd just keep on walking. Then she'd get annoyed when I snapped her out of it.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/16 11:09 PM
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Yep, BPDs often have a 1000 yard stare. It's especially noticeable in the fourth video. They look like they're staring through things.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/16 05:48 AM
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This is pretty accurate from my experience. I'm sure we all know it's pretty hot when a woman does the whole child like cutsy behaviour, and that's how BPDs sucker you in. You feel wrapped up in her child like wonder and youthful energy. I mean, who wouldn't want a girl that builds forts? But that youthful energy also extends to her tantrums, and she will always have infinite energy for those. Also the fact that the first girl made this video out of boredom while waiting to go to a lake I think …
/r/TheRedPill27/10/16 05:47 AM
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On the whole, the same range of appearances of average people, just they happen to hold views. But, depending on some specific views I can assume some things about you. If you say attractive people drown in pussy, you're probably ugly. If you say looks don't matter you're attractive. If you say ugly people never get laid you're average but have some kind of personality flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 11:21 PM
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It's an extreme example to make a point. Whatever the particular grievance is, the point is often venting people are just looking for emotional relief, and providing practical advice is antithetical to that. Sometimes even just talking your problem through is helpful in emotionally processing it, hence why women say men just need to listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 04:00 AM
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Maybe it's just your particular wording, but if someone said that to me my first thought would not be they don't know what to do. My thought would be they're stressed out by having so much to do. Thus I would not offer them funeral advice, I would offer them words of comfort and stress management strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 01:05 AM
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I'm not a woman, but I know why trying to offer solutions when venting about a problem pisses people off. Imagine if it was something that you were really upset about, like a parent dying, and you reach out to a loved one for comfort. They tell you "don't worry about it, just google funeral directors, find a lawyer to help with your part of the will, and contact the banks and utilities services to cancel their plans." Would that make you feel better? Of course not, because you weren't upset abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/16 11:44 PM
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You underestimate how desperate and delusional some guys can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 01:54 AM
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Giving looks too much weight in assessing women. If he is unattractive this narrows his options to the point where they are statistically negligible, if he is attractive this can often lead to selecting women with poor emotional control or reckless behaviors. Crazy hot chicks are generally the ones you see dating down. There's also the opposite to this; thinking that a woman being less attractive or being less social means she must have a better personality or be nicer. The premise behind the Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 01:40 AM
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And how do you know that most guys don't do the "similar" stuff right, instead of just getting the individual tastes wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:14 AM
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So you're saying that your sexual desires do not, in any way, differ from other girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 06:49 AM
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So a more accurate title to this thread would be "why don't men know exactly what I want, and how it differs from what other girls want, without me having to in any form comminicate it?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 06:17 AM
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To be an incel you just have to be unable to get sexual or romantic contact in the forseeable future, without major self improvement on your part. The problem is people try to add caveats to that: You can't be incel if you turn down people. You can't be incel if you have standards. You can't be incel if you once had sex or a relationship. These people are trying to turn inceldom into an exclusive club, in the hope to validate their own situation and invalidate everyone else's. I'm pretty certain…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 12:25 AM
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