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Inner Game Alwaysnthered/r/seduction06/10/24 03:05 PM
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DebateAlwaysnthered/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:50 PM
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DebateAlwaysnthered/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 11:48 PM
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Inner Game Alwaysnthered/r/seduction27/03/25 01:32 PM
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DebateAlwaysnthered/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 10:22 PM
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DebateAlwaysnthered/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:33 AM
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Question For WomenAlwaysnthered/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:33 AM
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DebateAlwaysnthered/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:41 AM
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Outer Game Alwaysnthered/r/seduction27/07/24 11:30 PM
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DiscussionAlwaysnthered/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:33 PM
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DebateAlwaysnthered/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:57 PM
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DebateAlwaysnthered/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 11:39 AM
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Outer Game Alwaysnthered/r/seduction05/04/25 03:02 PM
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Fundamentals Alwaysnthered/r/seduction03/08/25 02:48 PM
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Fundamentals Alwaysnthered/r/seduction22/09/24 11:07 PM
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I never understood the virtue signaling. Just admit it. Men have been truthful the past 1000 years as to the type they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 04:18 PM
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Alright time to GTFO of my city officially. Was out last night with 5 girls and my guy friend - the girls were of different ethnicities / types and they all admitted their type was “very tall white guys”. And then one proceeded to hit on a dopey guy that was 5 years younger wearing a ball cap and t shirt. I cannot handle this anymore. They literally all like the same type of man where I live. “Women aren’t a monolith” my fucking ass. When the drinks are flowing, the truth comes out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 04:11 PM
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Disagree, BC is mitigating a lot of abusive men from procreating. More importantly, most women are better at selecting partners outside the US - choosing more stable / intelligent men and therefore overall I’d as genetic selection is favoring less procreation of “bad men”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 11:24 PM
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I can just feel the copes : - "b b b b but thats not ALL women" - "wow, so you're insecure about her past now?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:13 PM
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a big reason no one wants to admit is that abusers signify lack of inhibition and agressiveness to the extreme, which is inherently primally attractive to women. that is a huge reason. it literally turns them on. not the abuse, but the lack of inhibition/confidence/I-dont-give-fuck nonchalantness that comes with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:56 PM
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what someone considers a 6 someone else may consider a 8. what someone considers a 9 someone else may consider a 7 very rarely does someone consider someone a 10 that someone else considers a 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:45 PM
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IKR? only the best tehehehehe
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 04:02 PM
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b b b b but women told me that looks arent the most important thing? if so, why do womem seem to filter out 95% men based on looks before even getting to know them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 03:22 PM
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"my Bestie likes 6 foot 2 tall blonde haired guys with a nice a nice jaw and good shoulders, while I prefer 6 foot 2 dark haired guys with a nice jaw and good shoulders" "see, women have Diffeerent preferences!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 03:20 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 02:42 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:24 AM
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The majority of women I know who are single around NEED a TALL man. Literally the first thing they say is “well is he TALL teheheh”. And tall is 6 foot minimum. It’s a dealbreaker like living in your parents basement or having 6 kid. They want to look cool on their social media. Men are objects it be acquired and shown off first and foremost.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:09 AM
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Spot on. More food for the top 5% to feed on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:00 AM
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I'm almost 40. I've been through the changes in the dating scene since college in the mid 200's. it's a combination of a few third spaces and willingness to talk to strangers disseapearing. this prevents interactions between the opposite sex social media and online dating increases womens' prioritization of looks and image over other factors. this shit was NOT As important as it was in the mid 2000s or the 2010s. not even fucking close. women's increasing standards actually re-enforces (1) - she…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:08 PM
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Is it just me or is skill and talent less of a factor when it comes to attracting women now vs a decade+ ago. with the rise of tik tok / instagram, it's more about status/presenting your marketing image.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:44 PM
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toyota 2025 Rav4 hybrid woodland edition , only car I'd actually buy new to be honest. it has a cool army green color
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 05:04 PM
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yeah, it typically is. but It's a pretty small % of my liquid assets, and the car I'm buying is basically the same price used. used car market blows. but agreed, I hate buying new and don't recommend it. past 2 cars I bought were used, 50K miles.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:51 PM
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well, took the plunge and bought a new car. the good news is that having enough cash available to pay cash and not having a car payment is great. bad news is writing that check for 40K+ and realizing how fucking expensive cars are Thats: 20 nice vacations 40 nights with a high class hooker, or 100 nights with a low class hooker
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 01:35 PM
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Similar but built - but still 100% asian
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 12:01 AM
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it's more the type vs the raw attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:54 PM
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dood, you hit it spot on. also, someone like this would basically get zero appeal here (even if he has facial hair etc) <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:53 PM
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Q4W: this is the type of guy that women seem to gravite to around where I live. doesn't matter if they are sporty women, young college women, older women with established careers etc, ethnic women . This type is catnip. Also, not necessarily this age, but similar look. What is the appeal? (I'm being completely serious here lol, not trying to shame) <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:15 PM
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A lot of us have to done all this and it doesn’t change anything. It doesn’t mean don’t do it - it works for a good amount of men. But for those of us it didn’t work for, just let us be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 10:10 PM
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dat. ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 03:28 PM
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Q4W: what is your version of the "little black dress" on men? what is your version of "wow that women has a nice butt/curves and youthful skin" on men? Trying to understand arousal factors across genders. and yes, I Sound like an alien observing humans or something weird like that. Arousal = instinctual, which is slightly different than attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 02:41 PM
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I've noticed straight women are far more rigid with physical preferences vs lesbian women and gay men. I've noticed attractive lesbians into all sorts of types of women. while attractive straight women typically go for tall, dark and handsome stereotype. Gay men, although looks focused, tend to be more lenient as well - as in they are fine with shorter men, balding men etc. why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 04:30 PM
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men just want understanding, not sympathy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:53 PM
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i genuinely don't understand why this is such a contentious topic for men and women. it seems so obvious as a man, yet women will push back vehemently. I simply do not understand it. the points women bring up also do not really make much sense either, holistically. I really think this MIGHT be a clear manifestation of why mens' and womens' brain chemistry and emotional processing may be completely different in certain aspects. and I mean COMPLETELY. is it a failure of intelllect? then it must be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 02:06 PM
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it's becuase indicators of masculinity are like the women wearing the little black cocktail dress. I See it all the damn time. a rought masculine face, large frame, height wwil make a women wet. the thing that most people dont get is that its mostly immutable factors that make up masculinity. if you are actually strong/ripped but can't grow facial hair - its not arousing. however, if you can grow a nice thick five o clock shadow but are skinny twig bean, women will be turned on by that. I never …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:12 PM
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great for women, absolutely terrible for men in the dating market. having a neotenous face combined with smooth nice skin is a death sentence in the US where masculine faces are prized and having skin that is too nice without facial hair is seen as feminie.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:10 PM
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Based and true. Everytime I hear (from a women’s side) about a guy not taking a hint, it’s never “oh I adjusted my hair once while looking at him” It’s always “I literally invited him over for a movie and cuddled my ass right up to him and he never made a move”. The real black pill is that 99.9% of what women say are subtle hints mean nothing and in fact you are completely invisible still. It’s cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:12 PM
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Oh shit lmaoooooo it must of skipped
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:11 PM
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Q4W: Apparently the reason why a guy being "tall" is SUCH a huge deal or a huge turn on, is because women want to feel "smaller" than her man, as it relates to protection. So does that apply to MMA fighters than can whoop ass in a fight, but just may be short? would that same instinct be triggered by a MMA fighter with a proven track record or would it fail because he isn't "TALL"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 01:46 PM
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lol no men to protect women lol so funny
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 09:14 PM
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You would not exist if men didn’t exist and protect women in the past. You’re completely delusional, twisted, and beyond saving. Jfc. When the power fails, when society collapses, when you need real protection, who is gonna save you? Just women? Bahahahahaha You’ll Squirm like a little child into tribes with the most men, begging for mercy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 07:01 PM
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That’s actually insane….read the summary
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:32 PM
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The "Archetype" pill suceeeds again. Went out last night. ended up talking to two women and hanging with them most of the night - I had no desire to date either (won't go into that, that's another story, nothing to do with them, they were pretty cute tbh). one had lived in the city her whole life, but she was mexican/latino. the other one had moved from cali recently. we got on the discussion of types. the mexican women goes "I hate to say it, but I love the 6 foot+, white, blue eyes". I asked h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:54 PM
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"but fail to empathize with how a majority of said likes and matches are largely duds or want something that she doesn’t want" this is false. sure there are duds but women swipe left constantly on men that are not duds but arent...like "HAWT" enough - aka 6 foot good looking stereotype. and then complain these men only want sex. Ive seen enough swiping from women through the years to know this is true. honestly, I have zero sympathy for these women, which is sadly, most women who use apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 02:46 PM
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I've always wondered if it's as simple as probability, or if there is another dynamic at play - either it be they likely also have similar upbringings/similar interests, or even my dreaded theory that women's attraction to certain archetypes depends on the archetype they are around the most. aka, is a more baby-face ish pretty boy type that can't grow much facial hair (but is still decent looking) gonna struggle where you live? It's basically my issue, but I wonder if it's actual lack of attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:13 PM
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yeah, if we talk about like...the 50% of women in the average-ish range...I'd say for the most part they are dating average men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:08 PM
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No. But I expect women to not virtue signal and tell men that are not “hawt” that it’s their personality is the problem. You all like the same hot top 5% looks guys? Own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 02:22 PM
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This is because women often state “women like different types” after men state they are frustrated that women seem to go after the same hot guys. Guys interprit this as blatant lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:54 PM
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“Ommhgg sweaty women like alllpp types of mennn - hot nerds, hot jocks, hot hipsters, hot finance bros, hot artsy men”’
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:51 PM
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Imagine a world where you can just not be fat, go to the gym, hit only hit glutes and legs well for 6 months, throw on a dress, and get 10x more attention from equivalent-men than a guy who goes to the gym consistently for 3+ years, and builds a great overall physique with constant dedication. This is a women’s world. bring on the downvotes bitchheeeesssss :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:27 PM
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anyone notice the rise of "bodygame" videos on youtube and tik tok? they basically state that people are "missing" that getting fit and getting a good body is a secret guy to "unlocking her feminine desire". Some go as far as to say that it's about the body, not the face. Weird new generation of shillers, kinda like PUAS or something like that. I know from personal experience that it's basically completely false, and would go far as to say that most women today aren't actually into prefer fit/mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:06 PM
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theres this packed italian club sandwhicht that I've always wanted but NEVER been able to find a good version of. I've never had one but I know exactly how I want it to taste: 1) some sort of baquette/sourdough that is almost borderline too crispy and "fall apart" at the edges, but stupidly soft and moist in the middle, and almost "airy" in a way, not super dense, esp on the outside 2) an insane flavor bomb of salami/capacola/genoa - with a spicy kick (from the meat and from maybe small yellow p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:53 PM
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it happens alot, often to the point where men "in the middle" are skipped entirely. in fact, being a guy "in middle" of "hot tall attractive" and "soft, feminine, beta guy" can mean you are passed up completely alot - as a women often dates on archetypes and not the actual values the guy possesses. ive seen it a ton, a women dating tall, hot, attractive men, suddenly marrying an overweight/soft/supplicating guy, and completely skipping over men in the middle. I'd almost argue that in todays day …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 04:22 AM
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you have to play the game. choosing to date on your own principles and terms will usually result in sterility for most men today. you need the cool social media. you need to show good well manicured pictures and respond in a cool away on apps. dating is 100% a fucking arms race where you have to play by these rules to win in the most case
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:26 PM
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No. Apps show interests. its just that people choose to not prioritize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 08:23 PM
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No. You presume the things you listed will put you in the top 10% relative to what women in modern dating find attractive. What if I told you a lot of men meet a lot of those criteria but are missing arguably more criteria you fail to list like height, face, the right ethnicity etc? What if I also told you can also elicit more attraction if you have the factors I mentioned above in the absence of the ones you listed as supposedly “the top 10%” Times are different. Most women don’t care about wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:29 PM
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because people are incapable of thinking for themselves - it's much easier to just follow propoganda, it requires less thought, is emotionally engaging, and is like "thoo trendddyyyy"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:26 PM
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wow who cares? honestly? so what? let these men do their thing. it's not affecting you. what's up with the shaming? dont like how men are going overseas to find women since a lot of women back home are becoming insufferable? don't like your attention being taken away? I know you love the attention. and im literally from one of these countries. yes there are lot of weird men going overseas, but a lot aren't what you describe at all. Also, I think OP is describing the new wave of passport bros tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:20 PM
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for young, horny men who havn't had touch from women, that's all it takes (dead serious). It's literally hormonal - the result of testosterone increasing. it's why the whole "keep your trapper keeper handy in case you need to hide it" joke in middle school was a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:06 PM
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how the hell are we supposed to expeience it other than physically being trasnported into the other genders brain?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:05 PM
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I wish there was a "male and female" experience arousal simulator. I don't know how it would work, but it would give insight into what attracts men and women - the things that the other sex (ok mostly men) don't understand. like if I could really FEEL the feelings women get when they look at a TALL guy, maybe I'd get it? I mean, is it like when a guy sees a women in a sundress and the wind blows up, revealing her toned, legs/butt for a second? like is it this instinctual arousal? Or like when yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:01 PM
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nah. I know a few women with tall men who aren't super well endowned. being tall is the biggest cheat code for men, it's the one physical attribute that can seemingly make up for defiencies in other areas that would otherwise make the man undesirable. fat, ugly face? no sense of style? if you're tall, it doesn't seem to matter. something about being tall makes women squirm.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:56 PM
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i still dont understand calculus truly works and im an engineer. I mean..you can just math to squeeze things doing into infinitely small pieces? wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:52 PM
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No. You’ve told us you don’t want or need us. Go way and leave us alone, stop telling us to do better. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:19 PM
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Really? And then see a man who has put in 1/10th the effort get success just because he’s tall, good looking In the face and has normal social skills? Dating is not a mediocracy like getting good grades in school getting you As
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:16 PM
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This. Women act like it’s so damn hard. Stop complaining you have it easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:07 PM
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Oh the hypocrisy of being the gender that advocates for empathy so much, unless it’s men’s dating issues. In that case: fuck men, right? Women conflate empathy with entitlement when it comes to men’s issue, and paint men as the bad ones. It’s female social manipulation 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 12:41 PM
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Based and true. Women are the true selectors. It takes two to tango and women determine who dances. If you are socially normal, take care of yourself, and always find it diffucult, it’s because you don’t meet the dating market demands
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:16 AM
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I Tend to agree with you OP. I think women are actually hardwired biologically to be aroused by men who display overy signals of overconfidence, lack of inhibition in behavior/mannerisms, and other traits like that. the problem is that it's hard to also be a good guy (if we define that as someone who has healthy overt confidence and lack of inhibitions etc) and have these traits, as they are naturally opposed from a temperement perspective. people either start out as assholes and turn into "good…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:12 PM
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what if the guy is 5 foot 2 and doesn't have a good face...but kind eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:02 PM
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Attraction + comfort + connection + logistics. Attraction is needed. Connection can bend time and perception and make it seem like she’s known you longer, this builds more comfort. Logistics mitigates barriers to this process. A lot of women don’t want to sleep with a man who is a stranger, but this more dictated be her feelings about you in the present than time.
/r/seduction27/08/25 04:17 PM
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two strong base instincts driving women is validation of her beauty being tied to her ability to reproduce and extraction of resources from men/society tied to the biological imperative to provision for her young. this is why women love attention from social media and love communism/socialism. two strong base instincts for men are agression tied to domination of his environment and other males and pointed, unbridled urge to mate (with anything) in order to propogage the species. this is why lots…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:11 PM
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you can recognize why someone does not want to continue being friends and STILL feel bad emotions...like a normal human reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:04 PM
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A fit women is probably not my "sexual market" looksmatch, that's why, at least in the area I live. as I mentioned, the physical factors hold different weights for men and women. a women who genuilely has a "rockin beach bod" (and I don't need that at all, just to clarify), can command a huge amount of attention, far beyond that a guy with great body can. this means she can get who she wants, which means she can be more selective. a good body on a guy is the "icing on the cake" to already existi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:18 PM
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I sympathize with this guy a bit. the physical factors that work and don't work for women are not the same as men. as an extremely fit guy (6 pack, v taper, nice arms, everything) who basically cannot attract a fit girl, it sucks. I remember times going to the gym and seeing the fit girl with a near perfect body with a super skinny guy just because he is tall, or "bearmode" guy (hairy masculine powerlifter type) because he is large and masculine looking and thinking "I wish women care about gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:32 PM
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Genetic. I also have a skincare routine now since I want preserve it
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:01 PM
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I have stupidly good skin for my age - warm olive color that tans easily and I’m constantly blown away about how smooth it is. I’m almost 40 and my skin is probably similar to a 24-25 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 02:39 PM
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oh that's hilarious. I get flirted with by gay men only. straight women are weird around me or avoid me. its like I have an invisible bubble around me with them. its actually hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:37 PM
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be a visually obvious cis straight man. most people and especially women will proactively avoid you!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:17 PM
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I dont know im most attracted to women that are cute but have long term qualities and common values vs a baddie that is reckless or is only looking for short term and is projecting that in her behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 06:27 PM
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Dating has always been this to some extent, but I'd argue its the dominating force nowadays, and something must be done about it. people are passing on potential long term partners because of they prioritize short term qualities first, or hold so much weight into superficial stuff like "icks" as filtering criteria. this forces men to adapt to change their game to optimize their behavior to "win", not to "connect" but if you don't play the game, you're fucked. it all starts with having a firm, un…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 06:12 PM
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New girl moved into my condo complex next to me - last time she saw me come out of my apt as she was about to leave and decided to “stay inside”, time before that she was waiting for the elevator when I left and suddenly decided to “take the stairs” when it was clear I had to take the elevator. Later that day i find her chatting up a storm with the old guy across from me and the front desk lady. She’s not shy, just trying to avoid me at all costs. I’m a boogeyman! Boo!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 05:04 PM
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If you wear a short skimpy sundress In the hot windy weather you bet your ass I’m going to probably sneak a peak if the wind blows and something starts lifting it up. I might have a sexual fantasy about it too. I hope youre triggered Deal with it. You’re not the pupil or thought police.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 03:03 AM
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I think most men on here have little faith in advice from women, especially generic advice that doesn't apply to one specific person. They'd rather rip the advice apart then take it. and you have to understand that alot of men have been given advice from women that just doesnt work. Alot of womens' advice is based on the just world fallacy that a man who struggles must have some glaring flaw in looks or personality and also the precedent that the man must be struggling for reasons other than wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:07 PM
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I’ve always wondered this too. All my female friendships I’ve had the women as been very clear to “not go there”. I’ve never hooked up with a friend.
/r/seduction19/08/25 12:31 AM
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5. if all fails, pull out your credit card I always thought it be hilarious to buy an after market / fake lambourghini and porchse key fob, stick it on your keychain and just casually accidently drop it in front of women to see if they'll pick it up and give it it you and gauage their reactions. bonus points if you also drop a magnum condom from your pocket. "omg I'm so embarressed, yes those are my keys and my...magnums tehehehe"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 01:42 PM
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eh the burger is slightly better just because the ingredients are a bit better. the fries are ass though. I'd take mcdonalds fries over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 01:38 PM
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man, I have the same thing with women that I'm NOT dating. that they are only talking and chatting with me or friends with me for attention and nothing else. So many female friendships that I thought were solid where I was just a placeholder before they found their S.O. after they did, it was like I didn't exist. you know how weird it feels hanging out, talking till the early hours bonding, texting frequently, supporting each other, to not being invited to their wedding a year later and never he…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 01:30 PM
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Seriously. people who say that in n out is "the best" are peak delusion. I always go back trying different spots thinking "maybe it's the spot?" only to have the same conclusions. it's a 6/10 a at best, slightly above generic fast food burgers like mcdonalds/wendys. There are also people who think in n out burger are better than culvers. lol I can't even....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 01:28 PM
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Nailed it. If suddenly every man was a 6 foot 2 model banker millionaire philanthropist puppy cuddler then these men would just be “meh” and blend with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 01:03 AM
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1) a lot of men who are going after casual sex have been burned and really truly don’t like it. They are just being avoidant. 2) noticed the comment about “young women just don’t like older men”. As a women, I’m surprised you don’t understand that women can have varied tastes. I’m almost 40. I mostly get hit on by women in their mid twenties to Lower thirties. Three women I slept with 2 summers ago were 23, 24, and 26. They knew my age. You’d be surprised as to how many younger women like older …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 01:02 AM
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others nailed it. now I'm goint to distall it down to it's very essence. ignore the people with rationale blaming men. Attention from men is a womens' currency. This includes attention from men they may not be interested in. Removing this attention creates anxiety. This anxiety is then translated into quick whip shaming of men via telling them what they are doing is wrong. Initially, they don't care about the superficial reason for the shaming, it's just rationalizing to make their true motivati…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:28 PM
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or when you're at karoake together and a group of girls starts singing the "I DUG MY KEYS INTO THE SIDE OF HIS PRETTY LITTLE SOUPED UP FOUR WHEEL DRIVE" song
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 02:11 PM
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Yet you posted this on Reddit :D
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:49 PM
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If your're socially normal/confident, find it easy to talk and jab with strangers, older women, men, and taken women, but your "game" seems to fall flat with single women? newsflash: it's not your game that's the problem, it's something else. those women are PREVENTING flirting from happening. PUA's and redpillers HATE this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:08 PM
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SHAME the straight man how expressess himself SHAME. gay/women/lesbian/trans: "SLAY BE PROUD OF YOUR SEXUALITY" OP, fuck the shamers. ignore them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:04 PM
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the "hot ugly" look. it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:31 PM
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I wasnt referring to myself at all - but I agree its not an excuse to not try. just don't listen to the copers who say "just shower, just put on cologne, just get a haircut" as the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:52 PM
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again, again, again, good hygeine only works if she is already attracted to your baseline looks. "just shower bro, just put on cologne bro". not saying dont have good hygeine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:41 PM
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Been thinking alot about how some non-masculine qualities can completely cancel out actual masculine qualities and indicators of strenght. Bear with me - it's a subtle thing but I think holds a lot of weight. Example - having nice forearms but little or no forearm hair. I think this actually cancels out the affect of having nice forearms since it makes women think of younger boys. Another example - being visibly very strong/ripped but having a babyface and inability to grow facial hair. I think …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:06 PM
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Most of the money made past my initial investments and houses I made doing nothing. It’s how youre supposed to do it. I make far far more in passive income than I actively save. It’s weird sometimes I just won’t save money or I’ll even overspend vs my career income and my portfolio is still up a ton.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:06 AM
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As others have mentioned, a true CHAD is much rarer than you think. As a guy, you just KNOW this guy slays from 5 seconds interacting with him. you know your gf will go weak at the knees your automatic instinct is to protect her from his gaze I've met a handful of true CHADS in my life - one was a pro football player, one was a model who ended up on the bachelorette (seriously), and a few other men I've just noticed in real life that you look at once and go "holy shit". its like seeing a live st…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:17 AM
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I've been on to this whole shift in dating dynamics since social media, feminism, adoption of dating apps, etc etc since the late 2000's and made some outlandish statements and predictions at the time, that got me downvoted to hell, shamed, and banned on forums. now 5, 10 years later alot of them are now accepted as the truth. I will now bring to you (one every day or two) - for the next 5-10 years the next set of truths or predictions that will likely...also get me downvoted and maybe banned (b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 09:08 PM
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The same people complaining about how much OLD sucks and how they’d like to meet people in real life are the same people that can’t make eye contact and bury their heads in their phones in public. You get what you deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:39 PM
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people who succumb to conditioning without thought are best manipulated and controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 03:24 PM
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the ones that everyyone adopted after top gun because goose was popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 03:24 PM
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do women find the mini mustache hot? why? 15 years ago this was considered gross. I feel like most people are just sheep, conditioning by society to find whats trendy and cool attractive. in the early 2000s it was all about wearing the "cool brand names" and skinny jeans were villified. now its the opposite. some guys made fun of me for wearing tighter jeans in 2001 at school, I got so irked I literally wore tighter jeans the next day and walked by them and said "is this better", and flicked the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 03:15 PM
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100% my experience. I went from getting hit on probably 30% of the the time I went out, often by pretty attractive women, to getting hit on maybe 3 times over a 1.5 year period, going out 2-3 times a week , by moving cities. oh, and the women that hit on me where also NOT from the area. turns out I look like basically the antithesis of the preferred "type" where I now live. women truly do groupthink and share attraction preferences. downvote all you want but it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:31 PM
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the "not all" is a weak argument that often times avoids uncomfortable truths that apply to the vast majority. technically, if 1 out of 100 wild dogs that run at you salivating with teeth baring ready to jump are NOT actually going to try to sink their teeth into you (I dunno maybe that one dog has a mental disorder that just causes it to salivate uncontrollaby and he lost control of his jaw muscles reavling his teeth all th etime and he really just wants pets from you instead) , we should say t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:17 PM
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Q4W: what is the psychological explanation for a man who has a track record of the following" The women that have been into him / he has dated are typically from conservative strict upbringings with a strong father figure Women with more non-religious, more lenient upbrining or has had absent fathers tend to not be attracted to him at all. note - he is NOT conservative/religous himself and did NOT grow up in a conservative environment/strict environment. my take: in the absence of a strong fathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 06:05 PM
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yup. normal. women basically proactively avoid me when out. its a constant indicator of disinterest. I dont think it's just me, I think its just how it is today and for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 06:01 PM
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life is inherently unfair by design. if life was truly fair, what's the point in even trying? what's the point of having advantages? everyone would be on equal playing field and equally successful. Also, your first world privilage would dissapear. sounds boring to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 04:09 PM
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Jesus Christ it’s so damn obvious to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:44 PM
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The guy ends up just using the women for sex or being abusive in the end. There are only two times where this didn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:38 PM
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That’s great! But a lot of the guys I know like that that meet women at bar are just sleeping around
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:37 PM
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Sigh. I’ve pointed out abusive partners within the first few dates. Guess I have a superpower you don’t’
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:34 PM
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Abusive: easy to anger / it’s in the subtle mannerisms. Possessive hints that start very small. Sleazy: very very charming / charismatic to the point of being overly polished. Very very fun and party goer type.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:26 PM
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To be frank, I think this applies more to women than men. But it still applies to men as well
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:23 PM
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That’s mostly women’s fault as well (sorry). It’s pretty obvious to me when a guy is a player / abusive etc. Women are smart. They notice it too. They choose to ignore it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:22 PM
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blue de chanel. literally if lululemon leggings for basic women were transformed into a basic male cologne pricey, cliche', blase', but somehow it still works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:33 PM
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bit the bullet and blew 130 bucks on some "basic" guy cologne. literally only need one spray and this thing is gonna last last me like 3 years. why didn't I do this sooner?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:44 PM
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she's fat. He's not fat, in fact he looks fit he's masculine looking. he is objectively 3-4 notches above her that's the truth. now go ahead and spew your cope you morons cuz I don't frankly give a shi$ about the delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 08:11 PM
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Q4W: does direct exposure or experience with an attractive men change your "attraction threshold" in a way that said threshold does not lower? example, if you sleep with a few 6 foot 2 tall handsome V-taper body nice jaw investment banker penthouse puppy doting men, does that raise your threshold for arousal/attraction to a much much higher level from that point on, into perpetuity? such that 99% of men are just no longer attractive to you? you suddenly walk around thinking "huh, there are ZERO …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 08:01 PM
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you basically described the ideeal male type - masculine mixed with femine features.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:58 PM
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when women thing of babyface they think of a masculine man with a baby face - like brad pitt etc. I'm talking actual neotonous faces - with childlike features preserved into adulthood. A great example is tristyn lee - his face looks about 12-13 but he's 22. he's a bodybuilder. I know hes probably too muscular for most women but you get my point. another one is haley joel osment - (child actor for the 6th sense)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:02 PM
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Q4W: why is a man with a highly neotonous face (little facial hair, non-prominent jaw, general babyface features) but a masculine strong body more unnattractive than a guy with a masculine face (shart jaw, facial hair, five o clock shadows etc) and skinny/low strength body? shouldnt having a strong physique signify the natural ability to protect/etc vs just the face?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 03:19 PM
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Simple. Women are more independent nowadays and don’t need financial support from men. Also, money is only attractive if it’s somehow visible - I’m modest and look like most men. Lastly 3 mil in your mid to late thirties ain’t super impressive. A 6 foot good looking guy that is 5 years younger and makes only 60k a year will generally be more atttactive than me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 03:16 AM
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depends. 1) a guy who is obese and tall who loses weight, becomes fit, and unveals a chiseled handsome face will absolutely increase attention 2) a guy who is of average height and is of average height, but becomes really fit but it doenst really change his face will only probably receive a small increase in attention if his face was only average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 06:41 PM
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friends of friends, coed sports, hobbies, occasionally at festivals or late night dive bars probably mid 30's 80% I'd say 50% I'd say no LTR very social Mine? pretty damn low. this is a huge city. the women are accomplished and so are the men. women here want 6 feet, handsome, 6 figures+ and displays of status e.g cool instagram. it's not a good city to date unless you are a top 5% guy minimum. I'm slightly above average, fit, net worth of around 3 million - but I don't really use social media, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:21 PM
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the phrase "the bar" implies "initial entry to be considered". when women basically lie about what the initial entry is, this confuses so many men and paints men as the victim. imagine a university saying "the bar is in hell for our applicants", while rejecting 90% of applicants with straight A's and 95%tile SAT scores because the admins of the college didnt like the cities they came from. and then imagine these universities then tell men "please be better, why can't you be better?" while at the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:13 PM
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I’m talking in modern American cities that are Left leaning. 5% easily. Obviously you may be different (and I applaud you for being more open to different physical types) This based on obvious personal observation amongst friends, women, going out for years. No I don’t have study but I don’t need one since it’s so obvious. It’s like gravity attracting things or the sun setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:27 AM
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Problem is that women only find like 5% of men physically attractive enough, and they are pretty much all the same men. Lastly, the threshold for what they find attractive rises based on the guys she has been with. This creates a whole ton of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 12:11 AM
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Women are different today. being composed and stoic only works if they are physically attracted to you in the first place. other than you are just a random stranger who is stoic and composeed. I hate beating the looks topic to death, but it is truly the primary filter that everything else most flow through.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:59 PM
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that inability to get sex isn't just about getting our dicks wet - in fact it's way more than that. we often miss having a women that is close to us to really talk to that isn't all defensive because she thinks we are just trying to get in her pants. or cuddling, or just the feminine energy. I often say I'd absolutely LOVE to have a female friend that I am close, I don't give a shit about the sex or have any expectations for anything. Literally just someone to go out with, talk about deeper topi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:57 PM
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the women I know who have lower looks standards fit into the below catagories 1) met in high school / church or in a social circle early 2) did not use OLD to meet their partners. in fact, most have not really used OLD at all 3) married men for money/status or are part of a conservative religious culture where their is social pressure and moral pressure to de-emphasize short term qualities outside of that, most modern women have much higher standards for looks than men do. tall, dark, handsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:16 PM
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true, but there is a growing amount now that are not becuase women's standards are too high for non-relationship qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:15 AM
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I dont have a problem with that part. I have a problem with starting it out with "there are just no decent guys...."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:15 AM
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“I just can’t find a decent guy all” Society: gestures towards a sea of reasonably put together men with hobbies, good jobs, emotionally intelligence etc Women: “not my type”, “not my type”, “not my type”, “not my type”, “not my type”, “not my type”, “‘not my type” Society: “seriously” Women: “buT yoU haVE tO be AttracTED to yOuR parTNEr”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 12:06 AM
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oh so that was you who took the last chocolate almost croissant. how dare you!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:40 PM
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In a weird turn of events, I went to work at a coffee shop table by myself early this morning, and litearlly one by one the entire table was fillled with women, most being attractive. within 2 hours I was the only guy surrunded by a table full of women. as opposed to women proactively avoiding me. what in the hell is going on. its the women of PPD conspiring to prove me wrong that women avoid me isn't it! I'm onto you!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 08:38 PM
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I only see this where the couples met in social circles younger. I rarely every see this in couple that met online. guy is almost always more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:21 PM
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stop. you arent getting it at all. a women being attracted to top tier men irrespective of her own level and discarding 95% of men, alot of which would be good matches is hypergamy. and its fucking rampant in large modern cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:46 AM
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hot take OP I've only been in ONE relationship where the women responded negatively to me being "emotionally vulnerable", and I could sort of see it from afar and she ended up not being the right person for me. all the other ones I've vented, cried (ok only one), etc and they have always been an ear to listen and actually felt closer that I opened up. Another key is that how you vent. you do have to position it as less endless "woe is me" and more of "I'm letting you know I'm feeling emotions an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 01:31 PM
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"bad" women sniff out beta males for social manipulation - shaming, extraction of resources and attention for their benefit before leaving them in the dust its analagous to toxic CHADS using women for sex. examples in my life: A girl who always hung out with me, but always complained about her exes and guys she dated. she swore we were "best friends" - we hung out 1-2 times a week for almost a year. then when she found someone, she literally vanished, and when I message her she just goes "ok", l…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 01:17 PM
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great thought exercise and one I use alot. dont think of what you could of had (the potential for a partnership), but the potential that lies ahead (freedom to do what you want, when you went, time and space for hobbies, passions)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 01:08 PM
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now it all makes sense. we cannot even have an argument about hypergamy when women think a 200lb obese women is the same level as a average weight guy. womens' perceptions of levels are completely warped to hilarious levels. how did you allow yourselves to get brainwashed? do you even think for yourselfs or do you listen to society and your ego? I'm being completely honest here. I'm genuinely curious
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 01:06 PM
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I think multiple factors my current city has a much bigger pool of people, and more wealthy/high status people. therefore womens' standards are probably above my old city The archetype I represent had some universal appeal in my old city, but near zero appeal in my current city. its a combination of my race and my look - in my current city the "rough, hot/ugly" looked is heavily valued and the well-groomed/babyface look is not valued at all. I find this particularly funny because its literally j…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:08 PM
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nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:01 PM
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after coming back from my old city where in one week I got hit on by a 8.5/10 (approached me), another cute girl, and had multiple girls look at me, to my current city where I'm invisible again, just makes me want to not re-sign my lease this year.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:27 PM
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Since women have resources and emotional needs met in general, they tend to weigh factors such as looks, status, charisma far more. "being better" to me is about becoming a better person - becoming the best version of yourself - being morally sound, being honest about yourself and your intentions - to everyone, not just dating. This often doesn't really overlap much with the things women are looking for today I mentioned above, or better said...you need BOTH. so I'd argue that "being better" doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:28 PM
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but remember that if he loses his job all the attraction will dry up instantanously within 3 seconds and you'll be at CHADS house within 5 minutes per OP's post /s
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:24 PM
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online dating is a hypergamous echo chamber, real life tends to be a bit different. I Actually find it very interesting. the couples I know that met in real life, and met earlier and are typically looksmatched or in a lot of cases the women is actually more attractive than the man. However, online dating is a completely different ballgame. I always tell people that there is a window of opportunity between the ages of 18-23/24 where you can actually meet someone in a more normal environment that …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:25 PM
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at my old city (previous placed I lived) for a two week. went out and got hit on by a legit beautiful women - she was easily a 8 or 9 / 10. Also got a girl following me around until I realized she wanted me to talk to her. after just ONE night out in ONE bar. and in the current city I live this has only happened ONCE the entire time I've lived there for 2 years, after going out about 2-3 times weeek and running into probably 100x more people. I just find that absolutely insane. I think it's time…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:01 PM
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At least men aren’t as picky as women about their superficial criteria
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 02:24 AM
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dood scratch out rich. even that doesnt matter unless the guy is actually RICH. I probably have 100x what most women have in my investment account and it doesnt matter. why? because I'm not walking around flaunting it. I'm just a normal dood.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:03 PM
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men have to impress women with other factors that the current generation of young men generally did not have stressed upon them by their more traditional parents. yeah, and instead of choosing boring, traditional things that have worked like emotional and financial stability (ew, he's like..so..VANILLA), reserveness (he's just like....you know BORING), and common values, they are choosing LOOKS, SWAG, STATUS, CHARISMA. good job ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:01 PM
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Ive thought about moving overseas period, so maybe the PPB will just be a bonus haha
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:06 PM
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As a basically financially free guy (own my condo, can basically very comfortably live off investments without working if I wanted) that is just unfortunately average looking (despite trying to improve), I HATE how hypergamy functions in the modern cities. some random unemployed smuck that just happens to be "so omg HAWT" does better than me in this perverse dating climate. Women don't need men here, so they basically prioritize looks, charisma, and status for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:40 PM
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I'm sorry, but the whole "body game" community needs to STFU when it comes to "women love a man who's in shape, it shows effort, etc etc" literally the gym I go to, whenever I see a women who cleary is into fitness and maintains a great figure she is 9/10 times with a guy who just looks average (as in super skinny/overweight) or slightly built, but NEVER with a guy in the top 25% of physiques at my gym, ever. I've never seen any of the fittest guys at my gym with a girl, period (or guy lol). I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:18 AM
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who gives a %hit how "cool" you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 01:14 AM
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The only thing on that list is going to make an impact on women is 1 and the first part of 2. 24% bf is pretty high and youll get a huge boost by dropping weight. if you can't get women based on that then the rest doesn't mean jack shit. skills, career, money matter far far far less to modern women today than looks / status. Focus on 1) getting past the looks threshold and 2) being fun/interesting and meeting more wome. literally thats it. Trust me bro, I've been through this. I was SOOOO pumped…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:40 PM
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Q4W: how often do you proactively avoid being in close proximity to a lone guy and why? I swear I’m not taking crazy pills but women keep constantly changing their path / direction to prevent getting close to me. Example - if I’m at a crosswalk and there are one or two women on the other side - They will notice me, and decide to go to the other side of the street (but still staying on the same road eventually). There’s also suddenly having to pull your phone out and “take a call”, or just litera…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 09:07 PM
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I got a decent amount. Nothing crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 09:02 PM
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I can tell you as a guy with a top physique, that It didnt change attention at all from women that are into fitness, and probably actually decrease attention from non-fitness women. the women I know into fitness (and by "into" I don't mean literally women who make a living with fitness - fitness models, gym owners, bodybuilders) - just women who really prioritize staying in nice, "beach body" shape". these women still tend to not care as much for a man's physique, and often times complain about …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:51 PM
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I love this topic as I went from “skinny” (145lbs at 5 11) to 178 10% body fat, legit 6 pack, v taper everything - top .5% of male physiques - and not “too muscular”. I’m also a part time personal trainer and competed in physique contests in the past. It ONLY matters if the woman is attracted to your looks WITHOUT the physique Being fit is an amplifier and NOT a quality women are attracted to alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:11 PM
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3% bodyfat skeletormaxxxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:29 PM
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finished my summer cut last week (down from 193lbs to 178bs at 5 foot 11). dexa scan said 10.1% bodyfat (wow) god damn it's damn near impossible to cut that low when you are in your late 30s. Did a re-feed this past week and my muscles just blew up. I really wish a fit physique was desired by women, but it's out of style nowadays. the gays love it though...gonna get free drinks at the gay bar tonight :D my body is ready....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:23 PM
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the CEO of astronomy will certainly get pegged by the legal system.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:18 PM
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What if I winked at you while staring?!!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:48 PM
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Most of you women don't know what a "Good guy" is. you reject and pass up good guys all the time, because they are not "hot" enough, not high status / career enough, not smooth/charismatic enough. beyond that, you also date men who are "not good" as long they possess the above traits. The very things that create a man of character, value, consistency, stability (actual "Good Guy" qualities) are often odds with the traits above. *Cue stick in bicycle meme\*
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 03:42 PM
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perfectly nailed it. the most beatiful part of a relationship is growing and supporting each other. believing in your partner and what he/she could become if you two have the same mission.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 03:37 PM
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I feel much happy now. back to lifting heavy things and putting them down!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 03:28 PM
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women are aroused by men who already have women with them. the rich get richer and the poorer get poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 02:46 PM
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haha its a bit tongue and cheek humor - but it DOES actually work a lot of the time for me. I'm also fairly fit/muscular so women probably are naturally more wary of me since they assume I may be more prone to talking to them - so that probably plays a role
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:58 PM
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if it's packed to the brim it doesnt work - but if its just moderetely busy it works like a charm :) Lifetime Fitness
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:45 PM
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Unethical Life-Hack: Use the fact that women don't want to be in close proximity to guys that may be single to your advantage Go to a bar and there are no seats left? Order a drink next to a lady and watch her finish her drink and leave in 5 minutes - FREE SPOT. You can get fancy with this - for example if your buddy is joining you can also sit down in a spot next to two ladies and they wil likely leave - spot for your friends! At the gym and a women is using a piece of equipment that you REALLY…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:28 PM
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you have it backwards to men, who HAVE TO pursue women, "doing your thing" without a secondary effort of pursuing women is by definition a passive approach. DUH. doing things with the sole purpose of obtaining sex is literally the most aggresive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:25 PM
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I never said its womens' job, period. and no I would not want that at all. its not genuine desire I love all these outlandish personal claims some of you women make based on an argument. attacking the person rather than the point. ad hominen. look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:25 PM
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a lot of women and BPrs keep telling men to "just live their lives" and not do things specificalyl to attract women like join yoga classes. so apparently they believe this passive strategy stil works.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:07 PM
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men: "I find that women sexy" women: "PREDATOR"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:04 PM
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typical blue pill backwards emotional virtue sigaling logic. a lot of men who struggle now are struggling for real reasons related to dating dynamics and have tried - things are much harder nowadays. they also accept that women have preferences and they dont meet them, and its hard to meet them. whereas the fattie demands men completely change who they are attracted to (to the extreme) isntead of exercising her power to lose weight and become the type of women men are attracted too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:04 PM
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dont get me wrong, if I am proactive I get interest - but I ahve to really take the lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:44 PM
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just world fallacy. women also immediately assume that negative attitudes and beliefs are the reason why these men are single, and not that they have developeed these negative attitudes BECAUSE they are involuntary single from tons of rejection. This is a causality fallacy. Dating is the one sphere where women give almost zero leeway towards a struggling group. emphathy goes out the window. you are poor? you're negative attitude is because of your poor upbringing/conditioning, not your attitude …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:29 PM
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I think you hit it on the nail with the "proactive" portion - which we interprit as having to put in ALOT of work, alot of it fruitless in order to just get a women to notice us. believe it or not, most men (the ones not in the top echelon) can literally exist being happy, doing their own thing, improving themselves, socializing, and not have a single women interested in them for years. I can tell you with 90% confidence that if I continued my life - which inludees going out once-twice a week, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:25 PM
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and I thought MY jokes were bad
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 01:22 PM
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would anyone be up for a community / official guide for men who have honestly tried with the opposite sex AND also achieved some good level of success in their personal lives, and have just thrown in the towel on trying to find someone who would actually compliment their life? usually men in their 30's who are financially well off, ambitious, interesting, prioritize their health/fitness but for some reason (either it situational, mental temperement, looks, environment, or plain bad luck) were un…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 12:26 AM
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yeah man, feel ya. Im of an "undesired phenotype" - so no matter what I do, I feel like im not attractive to the vast majority of women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 12:14 AM
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a lot of women still do. why do most men get rejected on dating apps for not being hot enough? or is the male experience completely invalid based on your little friend circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:18 PM
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it looks like you just have different views of how attraction should develop than most people that have been in developed societies and traditiions. my point is that people are overly picky about the wrong things. It's like saying that you just finihsed a tough workout and need to eat - the sirloin steak is not good enough and you are waiting for the prime filet mignon waygu, even though in the end both will provide the intended nutrients and taste pretty good. I think we just have to leave it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:28 PM
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real, true attraction can often develop over time - attraction baseed on comfort/understanding/connection/common experiences. however, this attraction cannot be developed iif a women is super picky about who passes her superficial criteria. she is probably rejecting men whom she may of been attracted to, but not immedaitely attracted too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:05 PM
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A lot of men - even successful "good" men have given up since Although women say they focus on long term qualities, they filter men baseed on short term qualities. you gotta have the looks, charisma, swag, status before anything else like chemistry/common values/etc matters. women are increasingly picky about 1) its become clear women have ZERO desire to change anything about their standards or situation to address 1,2 due to the first three points, most men realize that time is better spent doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:40 PM
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first is completely off, I won't even go there because you won't believe any men I know your views too well based on your posting history. you'll believe gravity repels despite physics telling you attracts. second is also off, most men see women as humans - although there are bad actors last one is the most I actually agree with somewhat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:31 PM
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Truth 💯. Women have never ever been so privileged ever in the dating market. But women will still say women have it just as hard. And Men are fed up with it. Completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:32 PM
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you expect this generation to have their own devised principles, beliefs, and the strenght and courage to act on them in face of opposition? lol. this generation is fucking soft and have been conditioned to be lemmings following the fucking crowd. aint gonna happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:00 PM
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this is subtle distinction that is incredibly crucial. one of my female friends tells people how demure she is and how slow she wants to take things, go on dates, or she goes on dates and "doesnt feel it but is trying to" after 3+dates and the guy really trying/being consistent. in our coed sports group of about 50 guys she finds only of them attractive and rarely finds any guy interesting, even decently attractive men. but then, one night we go out to a club and we see her instantly transform i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:29 AM
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women: "omg peak irony and IDGAF attitude so hawt"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:32 PM
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from a tiny little goldendoodle puppy? maybe she thought I was going to steal the pup! I mean I don't blame here...it was adorable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:31 PM
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I’m always astounded about how much power I have over women just by existing. I mean, I was just taking a walk and a women who was walking towards me decided to walk across the busy street with her dog and two full bags of groceries, rather than potentially having to walk right past me, just to avoid the potential for an interaction with a “scawy scawy” man. Bonus points to the women who refused to sit at the one comfy bar spot last weekend next to me and instead stand in the crowd holding her d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:11 PM
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Hey now, I got big big muscle I’m very smart man!! Reddit make me sad sometime
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:17 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 10:52 PM
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Who else moved to a large liberal city and was surprised how even picky and oddly specific the opposite sex was about their dating choices?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 03:12 PM
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What’s funny is a coworker hooked up with guy because he had a “nice masculine beard” but then was dissapointed when he took his shirt off and had a beer belly. Why can’t women think ahead like “maybe I should think of what the guy may look like naked” She probably rejected men without beards that probably had in shape bodies but didn’t think past it for a second also, what a dumb signal for masculinity fitness. Nice beard: “omg so manly”. Literally you just grow it out. It has no relation to ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 03:06 PM
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daily reminder that a skinny emaciated man that has a nice jaw and wide clavicles and is 6 foot 2 is more sexually arousing with his clothes on than average height guy with an average face but objectively top 1% body.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:21 PM
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f'ing nailed it. I always bring the hypothetical lookmaxxing reality show. take 20 random men and 20 random women from the us ages 22-30. put all of them through a strict looksmaxxing regimen over the course of 2 years. this includes body optimization (if youre fat you go to fit with nice proportions) , grooming, skincare, skin rejuvination, baldness treatment, the whole 9 damn yards then, have society rate the men and women. I'd only 1-2 women would actually not be considered "objectively attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:19 PM
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yeah? and a women saying "she loves traveling/yoga/etc" and posting the same goddam pictures of food, holding a puppy, traveling to the same location all the other girls travel too, isnt laziness? imagine the poor guy who genuinely loves to fish since maybe he grew up doing it with his parents and his friends, only to post one fish pic that constitutes maybe 5% of the total content of his bio, in the midst of other actually interesting stuff, only to get swiped left immediately by a non-vegeteri…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:13 PM
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How the fuck are you supposed to make eye contact and smile when everyone has their damn face buried in their phone? typed this as I walk down the street
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:09 PM
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they do, but the GINEY TINGLES are too great and they choose to rationalize the behavior as not shitty. Overconfidence...."oh I'm getting tingly" slight displays of micro-agression behavior (getting overly pissed at traffic, etc) "omggg im getting TinGLY" incredibly charismatic behavior and ability to flirt with women well "omggggg its happeningggg" hot and cold emotions......"omgggg the rollercoaster is soooo passionate.........what Will He Do NeXT....Im gonna cummm yesssss yessss" then comes "…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:44 PM
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I feel ya man and I agree - women seem to be very specifically attracted to rough masculine features and having softer features, even if you compensate (are very fit etc) doesnt seem to matter. As a guy with with an odd combination of very neotonous (babyface soft ish) features in my face but has always had a muscular athletic body it's very frustrating. Most women will find a guy with an angular face, lots of arm/chest hair, beard, but a very skinny or overweight frame more attractive than a gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:43 PM
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“It’s easy bro stocks only go up right?”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:17 PM
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Saving 90% of it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:16 PM
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I WANT MORE DOPAMINE
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:15 PM
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made a ton in the stock market and want to pamper myself spain? mexico city? cancun all inclusive resort? vegas hookers and blow???? I want to go on a full hedonstic binge for a week and just see how it is. how can I maximize the dopamine hits?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:05 PM
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it's becuase of their "miSoYnistic PerSonalitees" duhhhhh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:32 PM
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Women say it too
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 11:46 PM
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Stop it, you are not "average". I agree with others, there's no fucking way you are average AND get approached by good looking women with some frequency. You are 100% more attractive than you think you are, or maybe you fit the "female gaze" more than you think you are. Accept the gift god has given you that most of us plebs will never experience and use it and not discount yourself. back to your orignal question - I used to get approached in my old city - probably once every few months - usuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:22 PM
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Cool story bro!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:42 PM
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people who'se only counterargument is constantly "looK at tHE iNcEL" are objectively devoid of any critical thinking skills and any practical life skills. good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:35 PM
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Who has a better chance of getting laid with an objectively attractive women in the modern dating age: An average looking cis male An average looking cis male who transitions into a femboy (with a good transition) and enters the niche community of women that are open to having (recieiving) sex with femboys I hate to say it, but I think it's actually 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:34 PM
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stop posting delusion cliches For men: personality has an impact IF you cross the looks threshold for women, a looks threshold that is based often on immutable qualities and is constantly rising as to exclude more and more men each year. Ergo, you cannot get the role if you don't look shiny enough to get the audition. for women: looks is what matters the most, by far. personality only matters if you are literally shitty women and are insufferable, and even then some men will still deeal with you…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:49 PM
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I see it everywhere and have a keen eye on noticing trends - its almost too obvious to me, based on interactions with and knowing men and womens dating trends across the past 20 years. so, right now I dont have statistical proof - but it just keeps being a reoccuring theme.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 04:06 PM
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I think it would be VERY difficult to measure, as it requires the same person to shift cultures/environments and measure how their prefernces may change, or some identical twin study where one person grows up in a completely different culture and see the differences in preferences. also you would have to measure teh general variation in preferences between men and women based on culture
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 03:11 PM
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yeah, but since women have tons of immediate options they will choose the more attraction one first to see if that will develop over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:36 PM
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at a certain points facts are so obvious they speak for themselves and we just ignore the statements of women like you. it's like if men notice that when we drop something it falls on the ground, and women are like "NO IT DOESNT OMG SRSLY" we just ignore them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:34 PM
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"ALIENS"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:11 PM
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yes,, of course, but women's preference are way more heavily impacted vs men, which I literally say in my post. why do women always bring this "wElL MeN do It ToOO"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:11 PM
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I sincerely think the HUGE difference in how the environment a women is in (vs men) influences the attraction to the archetype of a person is going to be the next "redpil/blackpill" big thing. I don't think people truly understand how big of an effect it has, and how it differs so much from men to women. men's preferences stay relatively static regardless of environment, whereas womens' changes drastically (for most women) everytime I meet a women (this just happened last night AGAIN) that is at…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:11 PM
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but no mentions of a man repairning cars, renovating/fixing the house/doing the lawnwork? that shit doesnt count?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 12:59 PM
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I moreso wish that average looking men had the same ability as average looking women to improve their looks. if I could go from a 5 to a 8 just by losing weight/getting in shape/putting on dress/makeup/hair and 95% of men would find me objectively attractive that would be awesome. however, as a man, our looksmaxxing potential is often capped by immutable factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 02:45 PM
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physical preferences are far more objective than what women state but less objective than what men state.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 02:41 PM
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and then the TBell "runs" the next morning! :D
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:21 PM
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I'm going to start writing fanfic she sits at the bar - shy, unnassuming. she went on a date today with a great guy, but just didn't feel a "spark". "what's wrong with me?" she thinks. he's educated, nice, well groomed, etc. she looks over and he enters - athletic shorts revealing nice calfs, a weathered t-shirt that says "penn state", and a weathered ball cap, curly hair blossoming out of the bottom. and that jaw...with a slightl five o clock shadow..marked by some dirt and gruff. she's 32 and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:15 PM
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The problem is that “average” covers a large proportion (prob 90-95%) of the male population in womens’ eyes. I’m 5 11, in great shape (6 pack, fit), 1.5 mil net worth, Social circle, interesting hobbies blah blah, average face. But to most women I’m nothing special from the outside. I live in a modest condo, drive an avg car, look average so I’m just “nothing special” (like most men) My dating life is similar to most men. Never attract women unless I put Effort and they see who I am in person. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:02 AM
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I truly don't undestand why women cannot admit dating is harder for men in the modern age. what's wrong with admitting some sort of privilage? privilage exists in other contexts of life, and we in general tend to admit it. what's wrong with admitting you have the upper hand? also, refusing to admit it's justtt as hard for women (in general - not counting fringe areas or outliers) downplays the natural strengths and power you have over your own direction in the dating market. this in a strange wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:25 PM
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why can't rich people just have their own individual struggles? why do we have to compare them to middle class people? why can't women in the workplace just have their own struggles? why do we have to discuss the pay gap? why can't monitorities just have their own struggles? (mods if you remove this post for just mentioning minorities in the context of class struggle and not dating as "race baiting" I swear to god...) struggles are the results of power imbalances, and admitting privilate is the …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:22 PM
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Women don’t give a shit about actual long term relationships values unless you pass all the superficial short term high standards. Men do the same, the difference is that women are far far more picky about it. It’s lopsided as fuck. Also the superficial standards for women are largely mutable while the standards for men are generally immutable. Common values, personality, are becoming inly important if she already finds you “HAwt”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 01:53 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:38 PM
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Next week: “this new guy gives me the ick, he can’t even pick me up and put me on his shoulders and I squat more than him” :D
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:35 PM
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small glimmer of hope - singles events and mixers are getting more and more "trendy" and popular and just plain better in my city - it's kinda like when online dating was stigmatized and then started to gradually become less so, before finally becoming the norm. we really need to unfuck ourselves from the combination of meeting online while simultaneously signaling to the world that you should never bother women in public ever. it basically f's over the women and men who want to approach each ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:55 PM
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the hard part about this is that will always be thought in the back of their mind "but it could get me pussy as well" also, for most men in the modern dating era, doing things without the intent for any success with women will translate into.......also having no success with women since women are incredibly picky (women are not going to actively chase most men unless they are top dogs). so it takea REAL mature detachment perspective and probably therapy to suddenly wake up at age 50 and realize …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:36 PM
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it's fun until you've spend 100 bucks on shots, have a hangover the next day, and realize that alcohol is literally poison.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:58 PM
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only swiped on women with recent bikini pics and put them through a filter to identify processing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:57 PM
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Oh I know, but it's real fairly common phenom that is rooted in women basically indulging in a high school fantasy. I just find it weird. I like human psychology. I also think most people today are NPCs with very little awareness into how society or male/female dynamics work and how that effects their "decisions". are they really your own "decisions" when you never self reflect?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:54 PM
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Nah man. We all gotta be passionate about something :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:34 PM
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always grinds my gears when I see a women that has intellectual/artistic tastes go for a ballcap sports guy just because he subconciously triggers her high school social conditioning that jocks were popular, whilst at the same time avoiding intellectual/artsy men. there is one lady in my songwriting class. artsy tattoos, poetic, painter, good singer - currently seeing a 25 year old guy who wears his ball cap backwards and says stuff like "BRO BRO BRO I WORK IN FINANCE BRO CHECK OUT THAT GAME MAN…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:28 PM
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true good guys don't fire off the dopamine broken receptors of modern women today. good is BORING good is VANILLA stability is the antithesis to calamity and calamity is emotionally charged,which women mistake for THE SPARK. if you point this obvious fact to women they will call you a misogynist and never ever self reflect. solutions: join the shitshow (elicit emotional turmoil) or enjoy your peace and stability (by yourself).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 05:26 PM
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Sadly, I Agree with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:26 PM
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can you explain this one more - are you saying women proactively assuming a man won't be a good partner so they don't even try to flirt/get to know him?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:22 PM
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I dont feel like bullets one or two really are a good answer to the question, because they imply that he is still getting attention - my post was about men who fit the above and still cannot attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:12 PM
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agreed, I don't know where the "you can only date women in you thirties in your thirties came from" when a women does (rarely lmao) hit on me, she's usually in her twenties. I'm almost 40. in fact, women in their thirties hit on me far LESS.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:11 PM
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can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 01:10 PM
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See 6 - can hold conversations and is at least somewhat socially confident. So I would not count a super shy person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:45 AM
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such as with most things in life, especiaally in america. go to other countries and the content of character is valued more america is a cesspool of value-less driven dopamine coma society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 12:33 PM
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going to run a weekly social/attraction experiment - the city I live in is a perfect "playground" for this - massive, TONS Of single people of all ages and people go out everywhere. there are also many different clear demographics as well (hipsters, baseball cap sporty crew, finance bros, boss babe indepedndent women, etc). My experiments are mostly based on how the archetype you represent has a HUGE impact on your dating success. I've already done the "sporty ball cap guy" experiment with clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:31 PM
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this. if women stopped bitching about the bar is in hell and just stated reality what OP is saying, a lot of men would just be alright with it (even though it still sucks)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:18 PM
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I love this question. becuase when I think about what my list of ideal traits a women has that I would be attracted to and truly help me and us grow as couple, I realize that the chances of finding a women that has 80% of these traits, most of which I possess MYSELF, that is likely into me as well, is going to be incredibly incredibly difficult to find. it actually makes me far pickier as a person and very comfortable being single. but the difference between me and most women is that I'd be more…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 10:26 PM
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I never said that. stop using misogyny as a broad scapogoat term.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:50 PM
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they are invidual people but their conditioning is more influential versus men when it comes to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:49 PM
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nope. it's fairly consistent. im not sure where you can get your info from, but most men could care less about specific things like thigh gaps, BBL, and for the most part are fine if a women is in shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:47 PM
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yeah, I do think women are more hive-minded. men can be vicesrally attracted to someone who is bad for them, but that's not what we are talking about. we are talking about what makes someone attractive viscerally. Men are less immune to social influence/conditioning when it comes to attraction vs women. why is that bad? maybe men should be MORE influenced by social conditioning - then we'd be less stubborn and more into the types of women that society and are peers thinks are beneficial for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:45 PM
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see, that's the beauty of it! it illustrates how influential enviornment/conditioning is on attraction for women. where I live, women absolutely LOVE the look - and it's all types of women - it doesnt matter if you are into sports, not into sports, into art, grew up in an asian, indian household, you fucking love it. You can't fathom that in a different region women drool over this - but it's true. in bars around my area, guys have caught on. if you go to a bar most men wil be wearing ball caps …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:40 PM
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yeah, and the type varies as well - this transitions into my other archetype theory - that matching an archetype can vastly increase your dating success as a man. conversely, failing to fall within a specific archetype can hurt, even if you are good looking good catch. and that women date based on archetypes far more than men. a lot of women and men say "being mysterious" helps - but I Actually disagree hugely. women being unable to "figure you out" in terms of a catagorical type is a huge drawb…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:32 PM
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I don’t respond to ad hominem
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:09 PM
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I know I bring the up the baseball cap / rough flannel thing up ALOT - becuase it's such a prominent example of so many women just loving the same exact look regardless other factors such as upbringing / race / personal values. I've been around TONS of women as they get a little tipsier and started "spilling the beans at brunch / 2 am at the bar" - and I worked as a bartender for 5 years in various spots (don't ask for a ramos gin fizz I'll kill you) in the midwest. the amount of times I've seen…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:51 PM
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what men are attracted to is for the most part broader and more fixed over time. in decent shape, young. that's it. what women are attracted too (since attraction for them is more targeted) shifts rapidly based on peer pressure / society and is oddly specific. A lot of women thought mustaches were disgusting in the early 2000's. now women everywhere find them "hot" a women with a nice fit butt is going to be universally hot pretty much everywhere and through time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:43 PM
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you're wrong. if a guys friends think a girl is hot the guy is NOT going to sleep with her if he doesn't find her attractive at all. pure BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:40 PM
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when women instinctually find someone attractive / drawn to them (note - this is different then getting to know them - this is moreso the first quick snapshot) - a lot of that attraction, which is instantaneous and subconcious (you don't think about it), is based on preconditioning/peer pressure. yeah, I do think for the most part women follow the crowd of other women, albeight unconsiously. and I want to be perfectly clear I'm not talking about logical "what I should want" but more what you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:37 PM
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simple observation. duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 12:19 PM
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this is bs. what men are attracted to is fairly fixed and simplistic. what women are attracted to changes based on environment/upbringing/what their friends like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 12:06 PM
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no, what's considered attractive for women changes based on peer pressure/society/the local environment where as what is attractive to men is fairly fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 12:05 PM
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yeah, but it's about "to what extent"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 11:49 AM
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I don't understand your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 11:47 AM
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I don’t know, this has been my repeated personal experience my whole life based on myself and observations of others :/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 06:15 PM
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ehhhh multiple factors I Agree with - but as long as you aren't super short or obese, face is the most important factor by far. it's also a limiting factor for men (such a height is) - there is only so much you can do if you have an average or below face. in general, a man with an average face but is well groomed, smells good, has decent style, fit is likely less attractive than a rail skinny or overweight guy that just threw on random clothes but has a good face. height > face >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:53 PM
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another day of walking trying to observe the strange social behavior between men and women here are some highlights: Women tend to proactively avoid men that may be single in almost all situations, to the point where it is actually hilarious. I was walking alone today - women was walking towards me on the sidewalk with her friend. she literally stops with her friend and decides to cross the sidewalk to the other side in the middle of the street, before resuming her walk on the other side. this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:48 PM
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I usually throw chorizo in mine as well - kicks it up a notch
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:41 PM
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try being an introverted man dating where you are told all the time how women just love animated, charismatic, overtly confident men. with (good) introverted men, our struggle is knowing that a women will like us MORE when they get to know us, but the outwardly extroverted men steal those women away since they are shinier due to their extroverted personalities and fact that they socialize alot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:15 PM
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oh meant otter fans. otters are so cute. you'd get so many followers just showing you pics of cuter otters holding hands. you're sicko jesus what was I implying
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:06 PM
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ironically, I think lonely men would actually have a higher chance of sleeping with a women if they transitioned to women as a femboy and fucked a lesbian whose into that (Dead serious) certain sexual niches, although rarer, are usualy more lax about looks and neurodivergence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:04 PM
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"I filled her up like a bismark" as my late uncle would say
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:03 PM
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I started taking myself out to high end / michelin star restaurants by myself to just enjoy the food in peace and really take it all in without being distracted. often times you can actually get freebies from the restaurant as a solo diner too if you strike up a conversation and really get to know the server. highly recommended. I rarely see others doing this and I don't know why.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:49 PM
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OF
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 02:47 PM
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I'm beginning to not be able to stand women that complain about how "I can't find a decent person the bar is so low". case in point: I joined a co-ed soccer team, it's just a fun thing where we play soccer and grab drinks afterwards, for meeting new people. There's 22 people on our team, 16 guys and 6 women - none of us knew each other with exception of four friends that joined. After our 5th game we are all out for drinks, and at the end of the night the women (all of whom are single except for…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 09:22 PM
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not an individual, but as a society. right now theew is too much back pressure and calling men "misogynists" for voicing their opinions. and since men want pussy, they listen to the women "oh no she called me a misogynist! im not gonna get my pee pee wet now ok ok ok I agree with you!" it's actually on men to abide by their principles and not cave to their simp desires to makes this happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 03:57 PM
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shaming. the problem is we have also normalized "not shaming" people as well. zero back pressure means people will effectively act like petulant children. let's bring that back (and I think it's coming back)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 02:55 PM
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can we stop normalizing this entitlement bullshit? it's a free pass to YOLO without any back pressure. do people realize that this has ramifications on society and dating, or do people only think of themselves? yeah, and I want a 22 year old hot tight blonde that gives me bjs at exactly 8am everyday even though I'm almost 40. I'm entitled to my standards!!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 02:26 PM
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Be happy that information is available now. Also, as other commenter said, men do a similar thing. Men will talk about that young 20 college girl they don't know and how tight her pu$$y must be, and how they'd love to fuck her and maybe her hot milf mom too. triggered? yeah, men do it and will continue to do it. women will talk about how about how CHAD can eye her tits and she gets turned on but when prajeet the 5 foot 6 indian does it it's creepy and harrassment and "omg so grossss" and how "sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 01:31 PM
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Problem is that a lot of women filter men for superficial criteria first - looks, social media, how good he looks in pics, how charismatic/confident he is from the GET-GO, any icks, the color of his shoes etc. etc. when you filter for superficial shit you get superficial results. emotionally available? Good Father? emotionally intelligent? ambitious - you walk by these men ALL the time but they don't pass your "he is like.....HAWT" filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:48 PM
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yeah, I love a young nubile 18 year women fresh out of high school as a mid thirties man, I just want to do some sexual things with her so bad, but hey that's just biology and sexual selection it's all good right? my 65 year old uncle thinks the same thing. man, biology is just like something we should just accept as is
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:52 PM
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Ive hinted to my manager that if there were ever layoffs Id happily volunteer
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:45 PM
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I've been there for 12 years so I'd get over a half a year fully paid (4 weeks base plus 2 weeks for every year of service)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:32 PM
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inspired by the post below - I cannot get over the sunk-cost fallacy of wanting to take a sabbatical from work for 6 months to just....take a damn break since Ive been working straight without more than a two week break since I graduated college. (I went straight into my first full time position two weeks after graduation). I literally have enough money in my non-retirement investments to last me 5 years, and yet I'm sitting here thinkikng thoughts like "but if I leave for 6 months, I might be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:15 PM
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I often look at things and say "am I going to enjoy this more now or later?" then I just do it now and find a way to cut costs in other areas for the "later". example - I want to hike a few mountains - it's gonna cost me probably 15-20k over the next 2 years. yeah, I want to do that now, not when im 70. so ill cut costs in other areas
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:11 PM
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If women stopped complaining about how "most men are trash" and it's "impossible to find a good man" than this debate would have never started. I can empathize with women dealing with harrassment, men using them for sex, and men leading them on and having secret famlies/etc. - basicallly experiences with individual men but then saying that "there are just no good options" in a time where more and more men, a lot of them well adjusted, have a hard time even getting a date just sounds like a spoil…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:03 PM
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Yeah you can - but it works way better in certain demographics/areas better than others. But, you need to accept that a white 6 foot 2 guy with a slightly Belly t shirt ball cap and old exercise shorts and an unkempt beard will still likely be more attractive than you. Just a fact of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 11:38 PM
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Sorry - see a Girl that catches your attention. But my point still stands - obviously being socially aware is key here. For every woman that tells men to never approach there is another woman that is frustrated she never gets approached in public anymore as really really wants to (and hates the apps).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:24 AM
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This. Women have basically told men the only acceptable places are bars, clubs, or coed activities. The only one that actually works for men is coed activities, but they don’t meet much or you are limited to the same people. Bars and clubs are ass for obvious reasons. I need to be frank at the risk of being downvoted to hell - if you see a girl you like and social context is good (she isn’t in the middle of a workout or has headphones on), go ahead and say a simple hello. It’s your damn dating l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:11 AM
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dont be sorry. I just have to make the first move - which is where I succeed. plus it forces me to seek out women I actually want to talk to vs being passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 02:53 PM
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Since I'm a minority, it depends HEAVILY on my location. In my current city - basically never. I think I've had one maybe two women actually show genuine flirtatious interest the entire time I have been here for about 2 years. And I am constantly around social environments and go out 2-3 times a week - been a part of a few co-ed clubs, happy hour networking events, etc. This is 100% because my "archetype" that I represent is basically the antithesis of what women where I live are attracted too. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 02:50 PM
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settle down there cowboy save some for the rest of us vanilla normies
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 02:41 PM
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no one hits on me so it's 100% clear! :D
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 02:40 PM
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Whos defining what behavior is? Women? Who is the arbiter of truth and ruling council? Censorship is a very dangerous slope. And women’s group never aim to hurt men? According to women? Sorry for the tough love but I cannot get behind any form of sexist based censorship. But yes groups that actively are intended to target real harm and hazards should be quelled - regardless of the demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 03:40 PM
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I hate these scales because there is no reference point or percentile as to what the values mean. is a 5 like...average in terms of the US population...if so that's a borderline obese man is the scale a uniform distribution or normal distribution? (are 10% of the population 10's or 0.01% of the population 10's). yeah call me a "fucking overly analytical nerd" but these things matter. rant out of the way - I'd say I'm an "physically optimized average looking person" maybe it's better to explain b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 02:21 PM
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I had this with one lady - I felt like I was sorta the "younger fun man" she wanted to experience after a divorce. she was attractive and sweet and her mid-thirties and an attorney, while I was 28. But yeah - she asked me out - we went out - she paid for the dinner/drinks (I couldnt even have a chance of paying) - then we went back to her (very large house) and I spent the night (had sex obviously). we actually dated for a while - and she would often do things for me - make dinner/plan trips - a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 02:08 PM
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male groups shouldnt exist? should female groups not exist as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:20 AM
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you're never going to find peer reviewed literature any of this - the inputs and outputs are both subjective. garbage in, garbage out. no, there is not evidence. but I will say that anectodal observations that seem to be consistent across multiple demographics is an indication that this "mechanism of delusion/not dating looksmatch due to said women being exposed to higher value men" occurs in some women. I also think this mechanism would ALSO occur in some men as well. in the end I think it's ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:52 AM
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If the package requires the looks it still means you need the looks
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:01 PM
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I love how all the guys who just have this aura of “oh you guys make it so hard, just gotta be chill, you think it’s all looks” are literally the archetype that js attractive to women physically. The memes write themselves. I really REALLY was hoping “chill playa mongo” that “has little trouble with the ladies” was a 5 foot 6 average looking guy. But no, he had to be 6 2
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:50 PM
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And that would be AWESOME if most women acted like this. But they don’t. You need the looks first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:48 PM
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You’re an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 11:17 PM
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no, not really, as evidenced my my lack of dating success with women who are similar to what I have. It's the halo effect. when I described the person I bet you enisioned a well groomed handsome-ish looking guy. I don't look like that, at all - I'm probably on the upper end of "mid", if that. however, a women can look "mid" in the face and her overall attractiveness wil lbe boosted to a 'hot" level if she is in shape / dresses well etc etc etc. that's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:05 PM
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exactly. no im not, If I lived my life as is and didnt chase I may have maybe 1 or 2 show interest over the course of a year - and I'm very social/go out/interact with lots of people. I also think this is fairly normal for most men so its not a suprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:20 PM
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well I think we need to dig deeper past the question "women are inherently more desirable than men in the dating market" at face value, from a biological perspective this is true - "sperm is cheap eggs are expensive" and "survival of the fitttest man" but why is this the case from a modern perspective - I think it literally comes down to 2 factors: 1) men are more aggresively horny than women and the bar is lower for arousal the hornier they get 2) women a naturally hypergamistic (this one requi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:16 PM
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agreed, but the issue I have is the constant parading/virtue signaling by some female posters (and blue pillers) who say stuff like "looks are a low priority its the other stuff". she said "ya'll focus on appearnace because you think it's all there is" no, a lot of men focus on appearance because the **"**arguably more important stuff for long term relationships doesnt even matter unless you actually pass the superfical traits and today it is much harder to pass superficial traits for men" Imagi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:06 PM
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you don't get in the door if you don't pass the threshold, and the threshold is fairly high and specific for most women. A girls doesnt care if you have a great personality, listen to her, blah blah blah if you don't pass the threshold for looks. and again, it's specific and high for most women. that is exactly what most women and BPer's just fail to grasp. Now of course, it's about finding the type of women that likes your "look/image" - which is easier for some and harder for others. you alrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 08:57 PM
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Like a hot girl grabbing my arms / touching me while her boyfriends like “well there she goes again” Shit never happens with single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:33 PM
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what you would say is the explanation for a guy who mostly gets hit on by women already in relationships but rarely single ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 04:44 PM
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it depends on which women and which stage of life is in and who she is around and how she is feeling that moment and what romance novel she recently read with a male lead character.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:54 PM
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mongo is the kinda guy who sits in the corner of a saloon spittin' tobacco in the north carolina sunshine telling the cowboys to just "hold yer horses" when they be gettin' in a tizzy about the lassie in the corner men should never explicate to women the inner workings of sexual dynamics, but that does not mean said dynamics are not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:51 PM
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what the #metoo culture showed men was that harrassment is often contingent on how attractive the man is to the women. if you're primally attractive, you basically get a free pass to seduce her as animals intended by objectifying her. if you're not, you are harrassing her. "duh" - but it really fucks with men who were taught that their advancements are harrassessment while CHAD get's handsy all over her body, grabs her ass, after knowing her for 2 hours at the bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:46 PM
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mongo is the kind of guy who sits in the corner vaping and says "yo cuz you just gotta be chill cuz" and that's his entire argument. he's never going to actually lay out cogent points.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:38 PM
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Anyone never get passive indicators of interest at all but are able to often completely turn it around once you start talking to a girl by being chill/fun/confident and just being present and having a good time? a buddy of mine and I usually go out. we are probably similar in attractiveness, but he's white and I'm a minority so he typically gets a decent amount passive interest - looks/eye contact etc while I basically get none. The thing, I've picked girls off of him just by...not caring and be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:48 AM
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The pure arrogance of this post. do you really think you know what's best for you and your gender? how are you qualified to make these claims? or is this just a "giRl BoSS" moment. the gender divide exists and contributes to societal collapse because of pure arrogance like this. most people who have been through life and have built up wisdom, including women, would not agree and consider you completely blind and arrogant. but becuase you are arrogant, you won't even consider this post or what I …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:15 PM
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I don't know, I used by shy/skinny guy and have people comment on how I "must have been a jock/in a fraternity" and how "my build looks so natural and I must have great genetics". Looks like I'm fooling people left and right and they can't seem to "see through it".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:47 PM
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This is uniquely true where I live. Guess all yall scruffy men should move here!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 01:16 PM
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from my observations - it's usually a man who fits a desired "archetype" but is not attractive - he's in a rock band with tats, he's a jock, etc. also if the guy has a heavy masculine look (but not necesarilay attractive) a lot of women are into that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:52 PM
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reminder truthbomb: a skinny emaciated pretty boy that cannot even properly pick up a women and toss her around in bed will be more desired than a strong masucline looking man with an average or even above average face. This I never understood. why is the preference in real life with clothes on different than the preference in the bedroom (of most women)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:42 PM
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Eh hard to say and depends where you live. But I’d say in general it’s less extreme than people say on Reddit touches grass
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 11:04 PM
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I’m coming up with a list of truths/observations that I think are obvious but still controversial and have not gotten much traction yet because people don’t fully grasp them or disagree. Here’s one for a preview. 1) shaming of cold approach or similar versions of approach outside social circle is an attempt to further restrict active avenues of access to women by men they deem not “up to their standards” based on perceived value. This is a version of societal control to ensure hypergamy is satis…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 10:51 PM
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I hate the terminology "no one owes" you. to most men, it comes across virtriolic and not in a package that is intended to help how about: "people are born with advantages of disadvantages, figure what is in your control, out of your control and take actions appropriately" "no one owes" also is a scapeogoat used by a lot of women since they visceral hate men that are sexually frustrated who can't get sex from women. I truly believe there is a visceral disgust there that is linked to some kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:19 PM
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haha I think it's becuase it's such an oddly specific thing that women where I live are just strangely drawn to likes moths to a flame. its so prevalent that guys know that here and typically throw on a cap + jersey/shorts when going out to the bars as it gets the most success. so what you'll see whne you go out is bar litearlly full of guys dressed all the same in ball caps - it's pretty hilarious. went out last weekend to a bar here and I'd say 75% of the guys (no joke) had ball caps on. meanw…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:51 PM
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I rarely if ever see this ^ just in general
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 03:27 PM
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you'd never date a guy who talked to you while you were out - like sitting next to you at a coffee shop / next to you at a bar / at a party? doesn't that just reduce your options to social circle only? or are you thinking cold approach = randomly walking up to women on the street (which I Agree is odd)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:05 PM
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I also think a lot of it is more habitual - as in we tend to follow the behavior of the herd
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:04 PM
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women: I really just want to meet people in real life - a coffee shop meet cute moment, maybe at at bar, maybe at a co-ed sports! also women: - buries head in phone with headphones when out when out - purposefully chooses spots at coffee shop/bar away from men I only once in a blue moon, ever see a women out that doesn't have a "defensive" posturing directed at men in public does these women that "really REALLY want to meet men in the wild" exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:55 PM
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the HUGE thing that is missing here is lack of accountability and arrogance. A large chunk of the issues in modern dating that are affecting alot of men are caused by women who have the arrogance to believe that the free decisions they are making in how to date is the RIGHT one for THEM. we have shifted far away from traditional norms that offered "checks and balances" against youthful arrrogant behavior" - basically being naive. So we basically have women running around thinking they know what'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 08:46 PM
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There needs to be more discussions on representing "archetypes" and how they impact dating success. Or more importantly, how NOT representing an "archetype" can severely hurt your chances. an easy example - take a normal average looking guy - throw on a leather jacket/some tats and he now fits the "bad boy archetype". Another example - throwing on a baseball cap and sports T will make you fit the "jock archetype" - which a lot of women love. just a simple act. however, if your image does not fit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 04:05 PM
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bahahah if men relied on ANY signals to approach from women most of us would never get anywhere. women reserve signals to approach for the top men (duh). so as a guy you basically have to shoot your shot without any signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:09 PM
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I think apps need to somehow de-prioritize the important of your "marketing image" - looks, social media, pictures "coolness", short quips on your profile, and focus more on content of character. right now, people are selecting others based on less and less "long term qualities" and more and more "short term qualities" (the marketing image). so, if you want to suceed as a guy, you have to optimize for the content that is diametrically opposed to what is actually good for a relationship. I mean j…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:01 PM
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hmmm look at that fine red meat grain.......I'd but dem nutz in my mouth
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 02:46 AM
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It’s not just white dudes. Where I throw on a cap shorts and t shirt or jersey I get more attention Just as men are slaves to their arousal instincts, so are women. Men see a pretty young women in a dress - it’s immediate visceral attraction. Women see a guy in a cap and t shirt - suddenly her subconscious conditioning since middle school kicks in and thinks “sporty jock that got the girls, I want him”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:37 PM
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I stubbornly have a self identity and principles/direction guided by my life experience and my dating life is meh. So I call bullshit. I’d say that there are a lot of men who kinda stopped trying with women due to having a stronger self identity and direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:02 PM
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Wish women weren’t so archetype oriented. Brb be an average looking white guy and throw on a backwards cap and old shorts with a t shirt and pretend to love watching “the game” with “the boys” and automatically become more attractive than a guy that is well groomed and fit because the baseball cap guy triggers the “jock” archetype that women were conditioned to be aroused by since they were portrayed as high status and Athletic in high school. I call it “baseball cap” game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 10:58 PM
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since certain very specific factors correlate to dating success for men, and we notice how...as we have more of these factors..our dating success starts inching up..almost like it's completely PREDICTABLE...we kinda are boxed in to rate ourselves, since it directly correlates to success. It's predictive, basically. and if something is predictve, you can control it. unfortunately this is something that women kind boxed us in to do in order to suceed -as in, I dont think men would be going around …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:10 PM
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God, knowing the INSANE amount of power and privilage women have in the dating market today, a lot of which they are completely unaware of, if I was suddenly a 20 year old women in a modern progressive I'd absolutely milk the shit out of it. I'd immediately go into a beautymaxxing routine getting the perfect beach body curves, hair, skin. that combined with my ability to cook (which is better than 95% of women can do) and natural conversation skills means I'd literally be able to get most of wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:59 PM
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The men I know like this are either: 1) very good looking 2) leaders of some sort in a field where there are alot of women involved.
/r/seduction01/06/25 02:42 PM
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This. Women have an insane ability to sniff out if you are currently desired by other women via your vibe/mannerisms which is heavily impacted by success with other women. All of this is subconscious.
/r/seduction01/06/25 02:41 PM
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Everyone just ignore this woman. No one is listening to this inane drivel.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 09:32 PM
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“Its crazy, I’m getting 20 times the job interviews as my friend, but that’s just the beginning stages so we both have the equally as hard landing a job hehehe”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 09:31 PM
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You only get that role playing video with the “LGBTQ” subscription to pornhub :D
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 09:26 PM
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a 25 year old women gets kidnapped, and hooked up to a lie detector. her captor states: you must answer truthfully to this question, otherwise you will not see the light of tomorrow, it is as simple as that. then you will be free to go as will the others I have kidnapped. but the lie detector is 100% accurate and will reveal your truth thoughts. everyone's lives are in your hands I am going to present forth two men (also kidnapped), and you must answer which one would you choose to sleep with - …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 09:01 PM
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exactly - now I did not get into shape/groom expecting it to "change everything" but I did have a thought in the back of my mind from all the blue pill virtue signaling shoved down my throat that it would maybe help a little. turns out, as I said, being fit as a guy is the "icing on the cake" - women care about so SO much more - even just physically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 02:09 PM
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hey man, do it for the confidence and health benefits. it pays dividends over your entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 02:07 PM
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the funnny thing thing is that even the women that are heavily into fitness aren't necessarily into men who are also in shape - some of the most fit women at my gym boyfriends/husbands would make you say "huhhh!!!" - I'm talking either rail skinny or overweight/beer belly. it simply doesn't matter as much to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 02:05 PM
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I’m thinking of starting a YouTube channel showing definitive proof that the factors that determine male attractiveness are 80% genetic - height / face / race / frame etc. and there is a massive halo effect that is still discounted.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:43 AM
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No they don’t. Thats an outright lie. I’m at 10-11% bf and my face is still dead average.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:39 AM
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Agreed, but face >>>>>>>body. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:39 AM
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Eh women today only care about your superficial representation of status, looks, etc. this is because they focus on what turns them on vs what makes a good partner since they are independent now. I am 38, make 200k a year, 6.5 million in assets from real estate/lucking out in investing over 20 years but I look like a normal guy on the surface so it doenst impact my dating life at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:34 AM
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BINGO. Hit the nail on the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:31 AM
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Yeah but he has a good face. If his face with avg or below with the same body he would not be attractive. This is a critical distinction that gets ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:26 AM
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I’ve rarely gotten signals of interest from women - maybe once every 2-3 years. Again I think this is normal for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:52 AM
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I’m not unattractive. But im not attractive. It’s as simple as that. I still have to put in a ton of effort to attract women - I never get interest unless I make the first move and there is a connection. I think that’s most men so it’s not really a bad thing. I just disagree with the narrative that “if a man just was in shape and groomed/dressed well women would notice”. If you want proof look at my past post - I’m a personal trainer and currently trying to prep for a physique show. I literally …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:19 AM
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I literally have a top 1% body and it didn’t change anything with women. Unfortunately for men grooming/getting into shape only works if you already have an attractive face
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 03:59 AM
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your first paragraphs really highligths how the top 5% of men can literally just exist and don't need strategies/game to attract women. you just need regular social skills, and sometimes that doesnt even matter. if you are socially adjusted and have to resort to extensive "game" tactics to attract women, then its def your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:37 PM
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yeah, definetely. I think the most salient example is unbridled aggression - getting into fights / road rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:00 PM
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ouch. yeah you're in the rust belt. women in the rust belt heavily prefer the blue collar roughneck look - that means a beard/five clock shadow, rough hands, rough face, baseball cap, "mean" look on the face. men with softer features (even if they are tall/handsome) are not preferred at all. the rust belt is where the "hot/ugly" look shines. move to the west coast
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:45 PM
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anyone head over to the looksmaxxing subreddit and notice all the incredibly attractive women thinking they are "mid" and asking what to do to finally be attractive? holy body dysmorphia. social media/exposure to ideal types is cooking our brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:28 PM
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where do you live? being handsome and tall alone should compensate for any racial prefereences?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:26 PM
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This topic has been beaten to hell. when women say this, they are in a emotionally charged state (therefore logic is subdued), and they are pissed that the men they are already attracted too/are dating (which is a very small subset of men) are not putting in the work for them. they WANT these men to work for them, since they are attracted to them, and are frustrated. it has NOTHING to do with the general male population. just ignore them. not worth wasting your mental space. done.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:19 PM
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yes, attraction is "subjective". that is why my buddy who is tall, white and has a classicaly handsome face repeatedly has women of all types, ages, races hit and show interest on him, while my other buddy who is overweight, balding, and not classicaly handsome has basically zero interest. keep up the cope buddy, no one is fucking buying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:17 PM
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dont forgot the meme of the misc guy literally naked in bed with a girl asking for advice with his laptop saying "misc...naked with girl..what do next?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:19 PM
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yeah 182 is very good for being near 10% at my height, you still look muscular with clothes on but not too big (not llike bodybuilder big). it took years of effort though. oh yeah, back when I was 20-21 I Was 145-150 pounds - not super skinny but its a huge difference if you don't have mass!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:18 PM
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not bad actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:16 PM
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Finally hit 10% bodyfat......at 182 pounds 5 foot 11. noticing all the people at the gym mirin" by people I mean only guys. still feelsgoodman anyone old enough to remember the misc
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 01:05 PM
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lol I remember seeing a girl fight with her boyfriend because he was a trump supporter and she supported biden. but like.....he was...like...so..HOT. unlike her feminist male friends pErSonALitY
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 01:02 PM
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society to men: "suck it up buttercup, it's hard for you, and that's just the way it is" society to women: "yassss queen. you deserve the best!" * men slowly opt out of society * society in 20 years: "wHat HappENEd?!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:59 PM
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yeah, a lot of younger men (god and some older men unfortnately) are too horny and conditioned/socialized by the wrong people to look past "yeah, she's gotta be HOT and young BRO" as you get older and mature you realize you want someone that goes beyond those decripters. young becomes "youthful energy". slim becomes "in shape and values active lifestyle". beautfiul becomes more of combination of looks, aura, style, the way she moves/talks. and then you add things like "has similar values, puts e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:12 PM
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Entitlement without inner reflection on "what do I have to offer that men actually like, not what I like" is the reason for the women that state that "dating is just as hard for women" as they sit on their ivory towers and sift through 500+ matches and 50+ DMs, and accept men that probably will not like them, and reject men that are suitable partners constantly. I know a few women like this. it's self imposed misery. they literally do it to themselves. it's the bicycle meme where the rider throw…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:17 PM
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man those guys are lucky. nice skulls underneath the bodyfat. meanwhile, due to my asian heritage I have a flat face with non-protruding features so when I get down to 10% bodyfat my face still looks....flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 02:57 PM
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average looking tim in his slacks approaches susie-q at the milkshake shop in 1955: "hey! want a milkshake? lets' bring it out to the park and chat?!". Susie-q "oh gee, I'd never thought you'd ask! I chat with you in math class and I always thought you were a bit cute". average looking tim approaches jenny at the club/bar: "hey my name is tim, I thoughy you were cute, I'd like to buy you a drink". jenny: "aight shawty I let-ya buy me a drink but you to buy one for my queeensss too. Aight you be …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 02:54 PM
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Im my experience, be-friending women (and TRUE friends, not just "hang out with a group once every month") - there ALWAYS is some sort of "layer" of behavior modification that happens between you two, due to expectations/male and female dynamic. So its hard to really get that true free flowing relaxed "in the present" connection you have with male friends. I'm also basically talking about heterosexual friendships only. the BEST way to approach it is stating that I'd like to be friends and keep h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:05 PM
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Women: “I like a man who knows how to dress / has style, can cook / clean etc omg it’s so hot” Which is funny because a lot of couples I know the women literally shops for her man’s clothes, complains he can’t cook/never cooks for her and never cleans around the house. In fact, the more likely a man is to dress himself well, cook, clean and be tidy, the more likely he is too “feminine” and has a “gay vibe”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:28 PM
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In settings other than social circle etc it’s usually the 95/5 rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 06:55 PM
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Looks like a glowed up Ed Sheeran haha
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 06:32 PM
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Haha I wish. I’m NOT attractive. Just an average guy (seriously), maybe slightly above. Which is why I find the whole thing odd. But i do see your point - a really attractive guy that is also well groomed can be very intimidating
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:24 PM
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"body shapes" have been less of an issue and have more wiggle room for attraction for women than men. being short is not a big deal for men, it is for women. a lot of men like curvy women, in shape women, skinny women whereas less women are into super skinny men, overweight men. almost all women like a toned male body.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:41 AM
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We are going to have to agree to disagree that they are just as much a factor :/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:14 AM
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OP: "fOcuS on YouRselF anD the woMen will jUst Come Look It WorkED for MEEEEEEE"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:32 AM
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I dont see how so many women here just fail to see this point lol. JFC.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:31 AM
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Oh wow, another cliched "focus on yourself, that's what I did, and I found the right women! why can't you do that?!" no, stop with that bullshit. I agree with ALL the advice before that. letting go. letting people just "be". accepting things the way they are. people need to realize that in this modern dating age, you CAN absolutely put yourself number one, and...you might just end up alone with your accomplishments/life. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I'm just saying how it is. if most men …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:21 AM
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womens' physical shortcomings are far less of a factor than men's as it applies to physical attraction, period. fat distribution and hormonal problems are less of an issue than things that CANNOT be changed like height. yeah, 90-95% can. I'm willing to bet on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:13 AM
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I should have clarified in my point - that if MEN ALSO put in lots of effort (similar to women), it wont yield the same results at all. women do not have he same genetic factors as men. you missed that as well. height is not an issue for men as it is for women. that is a huge difference. women dont deal with baldness to the same extent as men. I gues my point is that the "ceiling" or "maximum potential attractiveness" for men, on average, is far far lower than for women. Example: take an average…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:56 AM
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Man I wish men had the same glow up potential as women. I’ve seen and known a lot of women who decided to really put effort into their appearance and went from homely/average legit hot/attractive by working on their style/fair/face/body - obviously with a lot of time/effort. Men just don’t have the same potential in general. We have limits on height/baldness and in general a homely/average guy cannot become objectively “hot” even after years of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 11:14 PM
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A lot of women think “entitled” is any form of frustration and being unable to get forms of physical touch -“ugh why have women gotten so picky, I have x y z and noticed that worked in the past but women don’t like me? I just miss touch”. BAM ENTITLED -“I’ve noticed women giving hot men a pass because of their looks, while decent men that are not hot have to work for it and are struggling”. BAM ENTITLED There are normal responses to sexual frustration that more and more men are having and also a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:40 PM
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Some people are too immature to understand poor dating decisions like only wanting to date guys who are above 6 foot 3 when they are only 5 foot 6 or a man demanding a women be a size zero and give him a daily blowjob at 9am on the dot after cooking him breakfast. There needs to be back pressure against these people and not “wELL eVErUONr is enTItled to thEIr standards LEt them bE”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:29 AM
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anecdotally, the times where women check me out the most are when I'm with another girl. I've always wondered if the dating disparity is similar to the income disparity but on steroids. the factors that make a man desirable are only AMPLIFIED greatly by him seeing other women or being in a relationship. even the very sight of a man in a relatioship makes him more desirable. nevermind just having more confidence, caring less - which inherenty is more desirable and is a default state typically whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 09:29 PM
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the fit girls are alone since they are either choosing to be single cuz "thE bAr is IN hEL" or they are being rotated by the top 1% of men and are not in relationships with them (Athletes, Influencers, club owners, businesmen etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:25 PM
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Why dont people actually address the points I make in my post or deflect the point to the other gender? “Hmmm it seems that women do this” “MEN DO IT TOO”. Ok. I never said they didn’t, and you failed to even address anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 08:17 PM
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In the end a man is truly free when he gains confidence and fulfillment from living by his self imposed principles, irrespective of what value it may be to women. Also high value man to men =\ high value man to women. Moral decay is when women select men based on looks swag overconfidence versus the content of his character. The balding slightly out of shape man who doesn’t have “big rizz” and is wearing just normal clothes but is a community leader, volunteer, abides by his principles, has mone…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:03 PM
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I don't know why this even has to be debated. please just skip over all the circlejerk material and just read the simple sentence below. Occum's Razor When women say "clean water in swamp", it's coming from an emotionally charged angle. they are referring to the men that elicit an emotional response - the attractive f'boys with secret wives/gfs/just messing around and the creepy weirdos. there is a whole swath of normal well adjusted men that don't exist. so if you are a decent guy who is lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:14 PM
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outside the point of your post - but I we are converging on a dating society that is eliminating the "neutral" approach - or basically chasing/talking to a women to grow attraction when she did NOT notice you before. This is seen through the shaming of meeting women in third spaces, as well as women given encouragement to approach/show interest. what this means is that women hold more of the power now in selecting mates and men less. a lot of the relationships I've known are from the women notic…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 01:54 PM
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yeah, now that I think of it the only time women are into me is if they are in their early to mid twenties. I'm almost 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 12:36 PM
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Reminder: “high value” =\ man that a women is attracted too. Key point. A 60 year old balding obese doctor who also volunteers who saves puppies calls his mom every day is a great father honest to his word helps out his community is very high value but not attractive to 99% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 01:01 AM
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Sigh. Good luck. This requires people to go outside their comfort zone of phones-in-faces and post me-too “don’t even look at me” era.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 12:58 AM
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No it’s an example of a type I look closer like - I don’t look like him exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 12:49 AM
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Any advice if you only seem to attract the gay-male gaze? I look younger, great skin, less “rough”, fit. Women seem to prefer the more rough manly manly look I look more like a younger Robert Downey or Keanu reeves and less like a Jason Statham / Chris hemsworth / Jeremy Allen
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 12:35 AM
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What percent of men are able to achieve the minimum looks level of “oh, he’s kinda cute” if they are put on a 2-3 year holistic looksmaxxxing program, and they are of at least Average height? Not “wow what a hottie” but more like “noticeable” if he walks by - and not by most women but just a few women at least (maybe if he is out in public 2-3 women will notice him throughout the day) IMO I still think it’s fairly low, around maybe 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:28 PM
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reminds me a while ago I was with like a sole guy with 5 girls in a group - totally friendzoned/platonic, alcohol started flowing, one of the girls said she was wearing naughty underwear underneath her dress and another girl said "thats hot let see it" and she just spread her legs a bit, literally knowing that I was there and showed off see through lace panties, everything freshly kempt and pretty visible..... that was enough to last me like 6 months..... I know I had absolutely zero shot with h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:54 PM
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is "Somewhat attractive" enough to pass the minimum looks threshold for modern women? probably not honestly, especially with theo options they have. I'd say the bar should he/sjhe "yeah, he/she is attractive" in the case, I'd say only 20% of men can reach that, even after optimizing for their looks. where I'd still say 95% of women could.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 02:51 PM
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I havn't seen this mentioned here before, but lack of traditionally "good looking features" can be made up for by dramatically increasing physical ruggedness/masulinity. harderdend hands, veins, arm hair/chest hair, wrinkled features on face, greyish hair, tattoos, five a clock shadow etc. and a clear "IDGAF" demeanor and stare. I think of the stereotypical "drunk poet/writer" - sitting in his chair with a highball full of whiskey smoking a cigerrate just got divorced with tattered hair, five oc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 02:45 PM
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(this is my blackpill side coming) - I'm in a city with a plethora of very attractive, charming men (yeah move here if you want some of that lol) even in the coffee shop, they were everywhere. so in my mind I think "she definetely has more attractive options, and it was just a nice conversation" sure, I could have good social skills (I do, honestly). but she knows there are plenty of men with great social skills that are ALSO attractive - propably lighting up her online dating profiles/instagram…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:46 PM
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sat down on a table in a coffee shop and this cute blonde girl sat right next to me - made some small talk, didn't move when everyone else on the table left. like literally it was just me and her kind of akwardly next to each other on a large table. note - I'm in a city where its incredibly rare for strangers to talk to one another. she was somewhat interested I'm thinking too much about it. yeah yeeah I know everyone is going to say "you know, men ALWAYS mistake kindness for interest". that's p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:18 PM
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Not too bad. 10 bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:57 PM
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dood, I said prediction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:50 PM
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you forgot "wearing a cockcage because every man is a potential rapist" and "I bring food to my wife's boyfriend ever evening and that's NOT emasculating, its empowering"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:49 PM
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going to a mixer event tonight. going to make note of the types of men women show interest/gravitate towards. these ones in the past are typically an even split of men and women, with the women being fairly attractive. I fucking love this stuff- its like a social experiment right before my eyes. My Prediction of what will happen: Of all the men, only 1-2 of the entire group will take the notice of women. the remaining women will band together in groups, isolating themsevles from the rest of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:44 PM
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kudos to women who parterned up early, are from rural areas / have religoius pusbback they often can bypass this horrid downfall
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:32 PM
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ad hominem is their favorite one to use. Man: "huh, I look around and it seems like women prefer tall attractive men" Women: "WOW LOOKS LIKE SOMEONES BEEN READING A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH BLACPILL CONTENT MAYBE YOUR'E THE PROBLEM" I usually respond with an similar ad hominem that makes them seem ridiculous Man: "huh, I think 1+1=2" Women: "WOW LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A POINT, HOW CAN WE TRUST YOU? ARE YOU A MATH PROFESSOR?"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:58 PM
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aware = people are not aware of all the archetypes. duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:48 PM
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lol nailed it. seriously, last saturday I walked out my apartment hungover as fuck, hair a complete utter mess. I looked like a zombie. walk by a girl and she smiled at me. shit never happens to me when I clean up. I can't even.....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:33 PM
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funny thing is that in early 2000's women hated mustaches at it reminded them of some 80's porno flick starring an old hairy guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:29 PM
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rust belt. women here prefer sporty grungy looking men. the "hot ugly" look is very popular around here. here where I live, you get the most attention but throwing on sweatpants/old jeans + random t shirt + ball cap and not doing your hair at all. women in the rust belt also love tall lanky men. whenever I dress well, groom, etc I get ZERO looks. zero. however, if im hungover, look like asss, throw on a hoodie, dark circles under my eyes, women tend to look. milwakee, chicago, cleveland, philly,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:23 PM
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what's with the recent trend of women being super into men with mustaches, a cap, and those circle framed glasses. like if you know the the look YOU KNOW what I'm talking about. I swear to god everytime I see a hot girl she's with a guy that looks like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:19 PM
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I dont understand it. within 1/2 a second I instinctively knew women would heavily prefer the guy on the left.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:17 PM
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agreed. being tall is like the fucking one cheat code expection to having an average face/ugly face. seen a ton of very attractive women with men who are just like....tall...but have no other redeeming features lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:15 PM
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common interests/rapport grows attraction that already exists. in rare cases it can be the sole source of attraction but I think that's rare nowadays. what do you call a someone you aren't physically attracted to from the get go that you have great rapport, common interests with? a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:09 PM
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I think you are speaking in terms of "I am already somewhat attracted to him without knowing we have common interests" this pedaling has to stop. when women say "its about common interests" it comes across to men as "welp all you need to do is talk to women like people / have thingsin common and you'l be fine". bullshit. just world fallacy. they do matter yes, but actual attraction (visceral, lustful, emotional, feelings) has way more to do with other factors that rapport and common interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:37 PM
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I know it's a hot take, but I disagree. they create opportunities for attraction to occur......but don't cause attraction are you attracted to your female friends because you have the same interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:38 PM
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you know ironically, I may be struggling because my personality doesnt closely match my archetype, whereas before it did. women that are attraced to gym bros envision a cocky extroverted guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:48 PM
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common interests are agnostic to attraction. there, I said it :) it's like saying "women prefer nice men"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:47 PM
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I literally know a guy who is a 250 weightlifter who is also a local indie musician. I based my example off of him haha. it's possible to be 250lbs weightlifter if you are big boned. he also was more of a lifter earlier in life and relaxed a bit to focus more on music, but retained his mass. the issue is that when he plays and mr skinny emo guy in classes in flannel starts playing women are like "omg soo cuteee he's my type". then this muscular large guy comes on and starts ripping great songs w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:46 PM
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dood, the fucking reality world is a like a zoo. I'd say a lot of theories on PPD explain the real world zoo behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:41 PM
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true, but the further that archetype from what certain women are aware of or popular the lower his chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:40 PM
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good points and linking back to tribal society - another reason why not "fitting an archetype" doesn't work maybe hinder you as it meant you were't part of the tribe and would be ostracized.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:39 PM
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What if they don’t. What if you a soft hearted musician that happens to look like a 250 pound powerlifter?? Or you are a nerd a heart that looks like an investment banker
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:06 AM
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of course you care about personality and vibes - but my post was more about fitting "archetypes" than having personality and vibes. you can fit an archetype and have no personality or not fit an archetype and have personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:55 AM
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Women are far far more picky about looks than men. it doesn't mean that looks are the most important thing - that they are just pickier in fact holistically it makes them even pickier since you need picky looks + everything else. To point #1, women feel visceral lust similar to men, but are just more coy about. when a man sees a young feminine women in a short sundress with nice legs and a subtle peak up her thigh when the wind blows and maybe a brief asscheek shot - and the man's mind immediate…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 12:25 PM
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agreed. if you want to satisfy your personal ego and live by your "principles" go ahead but chances are you'l be developing a permenant fapping habit from a permanent dry spell
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 01:50 AM
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Oh god preach. I have a similar issue. I have a naturally round asian face. So I look “puffy” with face bloat until I get below 12% bodyfat. But when I get below 12% bf my frame starts looking to small and I look like a skinny guy in clothes. I have a buddy whose jaw is super pronounced with a beer belly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:50 PM
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here's where I need to put my ego aside. my gut instinct is no - I'm a very fit in shape guy who has only ever gotten approached by overweight/fat women. but then I realized, after reading all othe comments about how most men have been approached my women above their looks like - makes me realize that maybe that is my league. why? I'm a very fit guy, but I have a meh face and average height with a generally undesirable race. but maybe that is the same league as an overweight/obese women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:47 AM
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Spot on. The hardest part will be rejecting the well tuned instant gratification portion of our brains. How do we bring back dating based on getting to know someone over time versus swiping and getting a dopamine hit from superficial factors? It’s like telling someone to constantly avoid the cake and eat vegetables
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:43 PM
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the pulling away from the back pressure of a lot of the relationship principles of religion has really fucked us over IMO. I had an eye opening momenet last night. I went to pre wedding dinner/event with a HUGE family, most catholic, and very tight knit. about 150 people. what I noticed belied what I've experienced in dating most my life living in more progressive modern cities, and honesly, I immedaitely thought "whatever these people have here, IS THE ANSWER". 1) comraderie, kinship, and young…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:08 PM
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top 10-20% of income doesnt correlate to top 10-20% in the dating market. seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 05:22 PM
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yeah, if you are a tech ceo making 10 million a year but are objectiely ugly, that amount of money is able to componensate. however, if are just making 250K a year it wont. that my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:58 PM
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I think it's worth at least trying and giving it an honest, focused, consistent, strategic effort. if you walk away from that without what you consider "Success", then you can just throw in the towel and be at peace that at least you tried. I'm almost there. I was born with an overly neotenous features (extreme babyface), an undesirable race, and a analytical/introverted temperment. over 10+ years I've gained done the following tried mitigate my neotenous appearance by packing on 45 pounds of mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:39 PM
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posting outliers doesn't help most normal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:26 PM
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he meant attractive - which is different. women can only find 5% of men attractive and yet more than 5% of men can get married. there's a huge chasm of stuff that happens in the middle. but I do agree that marriage rates are also declining a ton
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:36 PM
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Id say 80-90% looks for men, in terms of factors that make them pass the Threshold are based on height, skeletal frame, and face. I threw out 5% as an approximation based on nothing that women typically constantly vocalize how they only find a small % of men physically attractive. This is corraborated by online dating
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 02:48 AM
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How how do we agree with these tenets, applying it the modern dating era. In order for a man to have a shot a dating a woman, the man must pass the "minimum looks threshold" Although preferences in looks are somewhat subjective, Both men and women instinctually know if a man passes this "minimum looks threshold" for some subset of women. You can look at a man and JUST KNOW if landing dates is diffcult for him or know Assuming the man is of reasonably weight, this threshold is based on qualities …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:15 AM
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Moot point. no real relationships standards matter as most women will select men based on non-relationship standards (looks, charisma, confidence, status) and then complain said men don't meet relationship standards. so, I'd say the real standard women should accept is to CARE LESS about the superficial standards and CARE MORE about the long term relationship standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 09:35 PM
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I've always had this theory that the following cultural dating changes we are seeing are directly related to women cutting off ALL potential access from men that are not "up to their standards". 1) Shaming of all forms of cold approaching without prior obvious interest from the woman > allows women to ONLY only men they are attracted to approach them 2) Normalization of Social Media Dating as "the Norm" - this faciliates easy rejection of men in the virtual space and also only allows women to in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:37 PM
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The inherent biological mechanisms of attraction are amoral. they are instinctual, visceral, and therefore bypass the pre-frontal cortex and regions of moral concious deliberate thought. Being that these mechanisms sometimes conflict with our higher thought processes, it causes cognitive dissonance and we all the bullshit virtue signaling because no one wants to feel BAD about themselves. literally that's it. why overcomplicate and debate this? here's a triggering thought. I'm 38. when I see a y…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:09 PM
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sorry bro! I would never want the girl to be stronger than me...feels like a weird dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 01:00 PM
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good point - although some of these couples were young
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 12:58 PM
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what's the easiest explanation for seeing average looking /nothing special guys wit hot/fit women? often times I'll go to the gym and a funny thing I notice is that the cute/attractive/fit women are often with men who are objectively worse looking than them (fit girl with very skinny / or overweight guy). I've actually rarely seen fit men at the gym with hot fit women. often the fit men are by themselves. It's almost like the fit men at the gym are of a different type than the men that are with …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 12:39 PM
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why are we talking about conservative men? trad men want to pursue and believe in pursing women, however, still will love the validation of being persued from what I noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:31 AM
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god this is difficult to do objectively based on factors, but there is general intuition to it if you look visually - e.g. humans have an innate ability to just "know". but here are probably some rough approximations: a 6 foot 2+ man with an average face / skinny / dad bod build is probably on a similar looksmatch to a girl with an above average /cute face and good body. this is becuase height is SO highly valued in men it can compensate for other qualities like face/bod. conversely, a short (5 …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:29 AM
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nailed it. another take is - a single (top 5%) men who has high standards also is happier being single than lowering his standards (even it a women who is objectively a good match for him) since he is still getting a great deal of intimacy needs met.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:23 AM
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stability is lack of emotion and lack of emotion is BORING
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:12 AM
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"he's wearing the wrong shoes - ew" "he said a one word funny...ew" "he responds to texts within 1/2 hour instead of 5 hours....he's clingy ew"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:08 AM
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nailed it. when no other information is given but the marketing image, women choosethe men with the best image. this includes a good looking, charming man. in the wild, the most likely man to be a player.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:06 AM
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"the only men who don't get approached are those who don't have a social life" utter bullshit. and just-world fallacy nonsense. most men actually dont' get approached, I'd say 80% of those men DO have a social life. and hobbies, and interests. in fact, there are lot of men who make 6 figs, are interesting, dress well, have a social life, volunteer, etc and are socially well adjusted that just not...hot enough to be liked by women. they will NOT get approached, they have to do the approaching, ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:04 AM
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I Actually think the worst purgatory for a man is to be a "mid-man" that cannot get past the "mid" point in terms of attractivenss for whatever reason (limiting factor such as height, bad face, etc). why? because his standard isn't an ugly women since he himself is not ugly, but he cannot get a women that meets his minimum threshold (e.g. just...not fat probably) due to hypergamy. this is where gymcels, short men, bald men usually reside.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:01 AM
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This. I don’t think OP has ever been out with female friends at a bar / public. Nowadays they will say “omg there are NO cute guys all the guys are soooo mid here”. And then you’ll out at a sea of 100+ men who range from ugly to average with many good looking ones. But it’s just not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 01:18 AM
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well we know that "average to attractive" SMP only starts at the roughly the top 20% of men (as perceived by women). I'd much much rather compete in the bottom "average to attractive" SMP since It means I've actually passed the looks threshold to the point where it's not a dealbreaker 90% of the time for dating and I have a chance at dating women that I'm actually attracted too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 07:48 PM
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It seems that past a certain age (past 30), its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to develop new male/female friendships without some defensive posturing on "well, someone must be interested in the other" I'd love a new female friend, but I know that any new friendship that I try to develop that is actually a true friendship where you hang out 1:1, confide in each other, have fun, etc (and not hanging on in groups only) will have a huge implied undercurrent of "what is going on here"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 02:49 PM
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Theory: a strategy some women implement (maybe not subconsciously) is going from the “hot fuckboy” archetype, following by getting burned, then immediately skipping the entire middle ground and going for the soft feminine archetype when needing to settle down. In this method, the entire middle ground of well balanced man with some hot/masculine and some feminine/soft qualities is skipped over. Two of my female friends showed this and I see it in a lot of couples where the man is noticeably far l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 08:24 PM
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Aside from the obvious no periods / not having the burden of birth / little concern for sexual assault from the opposite I'll add: Being able to eat more food! (men are able to consume more calories in general) Advantage of the "decrease in attractivness curve as you age" being less harsh for men vs women (as along as you stay in shape). certain maturity factors (grey hairs) being seen as sexy by some. Less emotional swings/predilection towards feelings oriented decisions. I like the idea of bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:55 PM
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Try debating on any other dating subreddits. They are full of full blown misandrists (men and women). I posted a comment about how I was frustrated with the infrequency of sex and how the girl I was seeing never dressed up and my first two comments were literally (not exaggerating) “Wow, poor girl she doesn’t owe you ANYTHING maybe you should please her FIRST what are you doing is akin to sexual assault verbally FORCING her and SHAMING her into wanting to sleep with you what’s wrong with you”. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 01:50 AM
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anyone else have issues with the "there is always something wrong or I am not doing right despite everything else that I've done for her" with women? it almost seems like past actions and even current actions are null if other actions are not being met, and they also be met in the right way (the "how" to the "what") how do you deal with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 02:00 PM
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its emotional venting. similar to when some women complain "how there are just no good men / all men suck" yet they keep going back to the same bad men and keep dating - the emotional affronting is a sign that they are still "invested". its only when men just "dissapear" in complete acceptance and contentment that they are true red pillers / men going their own way. the point where you women say "WE DON'T NEED YOU WE DON'T OWE YOU SEX NO GOOD MEN WHAT DO YOU BRING TO THE TABLE" and the man just …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:23 PM
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I dont think men also would want to be in situations where they are "settled for" just so the women can gaurantee survival and a good life. that being said, i think the pendulum has swung a WEEE bit too far where women are treating relationships as "the cool shiny thing on my arm" versus an actual partnership with someone. that is why you see so many people prioritize the wrong qualities like looks, rizz, hell even how attractive the guy would look in pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:17 PM
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> Most women prefer fun dates, not endless talking and eating with a table between the two of you. Figure out something fun that appeals to both of you and go do that. Hike, walk in the park, ice cream, some kind of event where you can come and go as you please, watch a sunset...something interesting, not a stuffy dinner where you ask each other "where do you see yourself in 5 years" yeah, be entertaining, dont be boring as a man, BE INTERESTING. be charming RIZZ RZZ RIZZZ its YOUR JOB as a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:11 PM
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men in general I'd say (in the modern dating era) tend fo "compramise" WAY more on their standards due the inherent effects hypergamy, unless you are a bottom male or top 5% male. as a guy who cooks very well, travels, own his own place, makes 200K+, is ripped, I'd like at baseline a women who is also in great shape, cooks, travels, indepedent, etc. however, this type of women is highly HIGHLY saught after and will likely be shooting for men way above my level. so I have to "comprimise" on a few…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 05:42 PM
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God I have this same problem. I have a top 1-2% body (clear 6 pack, v taper, arms etc) but find it near impossible to attract a women who is just in shape. It’s because an in shape woman is miles more valuable in the marketplace vs an in shape man. I’ve never slept with a woman with a better body than me, ever.
/r/seduction16/04/25 12:52 AM
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Some people can. I’ll say “average looking guy that optimized his appearance and is still within the realm of average eg not hot/cute”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 11:06 PM
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In shape/low bodyfat, groomed, good haircut, dress well, skincare routine. Pretty much everything short of cosmetic surgery or extreme looksmaxxing. Having gay friends helps with this 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:48 PM
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I only ask women out if there is some level of chemistry/connection - which typically only happens if I know them somewhat (like we are in a coed sports team and I've gotten to know them a little over the summer, or a social group). I don't like dating apps since being behind a screen eliminates the chemistry/connection - I did use these for a while but stopped because of it. that being said, women in this situation (non dating apps haha) make it VERY KNOWN that THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN ME rom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:19 PM
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NO ACCESS UNLESS YOU'RE A 10/10/10 - 10 FEET, 10 INCH COCK (LENGTH AND WIDTH), 10 FIGURES
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:50 AM
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Kindness without power is attraction agnostic. This includes being weak and just being a normal guy that like…doesn’t have palpable power.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:52 PM
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how old are you now? obviously its not all women and how modern women select mates IMO hsa been rapidly changing. 10 or even 5 years ago I'd say this was less of an issue than it is now. on your last point - like i said, many men don't think about what a women will offer beyond looks/youth due to shortsightendness and pure lack of options - so I don't think many people do. my take - I don't want kids so I don't need a women in her twenties. I find plenty of women in their thirties very attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:02 PM
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bingo. problem is most men are in constant scarcity + horny, so we don't actually objectively sit down and think "who do I ACTUALLY want". another problem is, the person we ACTUALLY WANT is a pipe dream and probably persuing men 100 levels above us. the problem actually gets worse as men self improve, because you want a higher bar of women as well, but those women want ever higher men. I'll use my situation as a perfect example (and I'm sure this applies to many other men) I'm of average height …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:15 PM
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what I'm REALLY curious about is what the threshold is for "he's alright/cute"... If "alright/cute" can turn into attraction if the chemistry is there, but the level for "alright/cute" is still very high (top 10%), than that doesnt help men. I still think women have very high standards for "alright/cute" - I remember watching love is blind with women and them commenting that "there are just very few guys that are actually cute, they are all average or less" - and me staring at the screen at basi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:20 PM
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your dating market value - not your personal value.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:18 PM
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Never underestimate the power of the strong man build. Ultimate masculinity and protection. I’m kinda jealous. You can just eat whatever the fuck you want as long as you are strong and look big. I should try it. Permabulk mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 11:06 PM
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yeah, unfortunatelyy its just bad facial bone structure. phillipinos tend to have less proununced facial features, so you dont get that angular look. combine that with caucasion genetics you basically get a more pronounced "flat tiny face" - so no amount of losing bodyfat will change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:34 PM
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Anyone have advice for mitigating facial neotony for men - just having smaller eyes/softer features. I feel like it's something that is VERY hard to mitigate - even with a good physique / dressing maturely / facial hair. I've been trying different things but to no avail. I can't seem to kick the "babyfish soft face" appearance. I've gotten down to 10% bf, am very muscular, better haircut, mature clothes, some facial hair (and growth much). I'm half asian - I inhereit good muscle genetics from my…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 08:37 PM
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maybe, but I worked hard for some things, including my physique, and yeah, sometimes it's nice to show it off a little. am I expecting anything in return? no. read your post - good content. to answer your question - I'm not sure. I'm not trying to actively change how I behave for women. but yeah, there are a few things on the list, nothing I would say outstanding though. but then again I dont know how I look externally. I'm not worried about that. I just go out and be present and have a good tim…
/r/seduction06/04/25 04:01 PM
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yeah, I Can potentially see this
/r/seduction06/04/25 03:57 PM
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interesting. the funny thing is it takes me about 5-10 mins to get ready. I just "clean up" fast. so its not like im going to.....stop getting ready because takes too long...
/r/seduction06/04/25 03:57 PM
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I really despise the "nOt all WomEN' scapegoat. in my experience, women operate on a hivemind and tend to have the same base preferences, even being more specific than men do. I can tell within 10 seconds of looking at a guy if he is succcesful or not succcesful with women, and its 90% looks. please just be more like men and just own up to it. I think its happening more and more....we are almost there. the last throes of virtue signaling are evaporating. the amount of ultra left leaning liberal …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 01:03 AM
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I would love to have a current female friend (like past 5 years) - but that has failed to happen for the folllowing reasons Most women are wary of men hanging with them or wanting to be friends, since men typically just want something other than friendship (even if they say they want friendship only) Women are very wary of coming across as even slightly interested if they just want to be friends, and hanging out with a guy solo is a HUGE signal that he may take - so they just don't bother. in or…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 12:55 AM
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feminism is more about removing barriers to opportunites versus telling women they need to take advantage of those opportunities. today, with the attention women get, there is zero need to expend additional effort and go outside their comfort zone and change their strategy to one of a more traditional male centric approach. It's also not black and white, a lot of women do approach men, and I'd actually argue women are the true selectors. it takes two to tango. if she doesnt drop the hankerchief …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 05:00 PM
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Lower actually, because he’s getting quicker success there is less need for volume
/r/seduction28/03/25 01:34 AM
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Huh? Explain more
/r/seduction27/03/25 02:45 PM
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oh that's funny. I mean it makes sense, but how does it actually manifest in behavior changes? I say this because I didn't notice anything different and my buddy was like "I have no idea what I'm doing right but it just keeps happening" do women have a "6th sense"?
/r/seduction27/03/25 01:54 PM
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I dont think once every 3-5 years counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:50 PM
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so , before he'd go on maybe 1 date every one/two weeks and we go out 2-3 times every two weeks oing going out to bars/festivals for about a year at this point. And very rarely he'd get some success - meaning getting laid / getting a solid makeout / etc. like once every 1-2 months - and it was with women that he was not into (not attractive or just plain weird). then suddenly, the past few weeks nearly everytime he goes out he ends up pulling with a fairly hot girl - going out the same amount of…
/r/seduction27/03/25 01:46 PM
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haha I don't get approached by any women (or maybe more aptly - very VERY seldom approached talking like once every 3-5 years). I'd say I'm average. I think this is normal for most average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:36 PM
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this, unfortuantely it appears as though OP does not get approached - but I will say that it sucks that the vast majority of men won't get approached - so those men need to step up and make the first move. unfortunately only the top 5-10% will ever get approached or real signals of interest. if men relied on "waiting for women to approach" society would basically be a giant harem of tall good looking guys sleeping with all the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 01:22 PM
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oh god, I think I've had a breakthrough yesterday in my weird lack of success with dating despite being incredibly fit/well dressed/confident socially (yeah, I NEED to mention these things so the 'well what do you have to offer" crowd can shutup) I figured it out - I look too TOO damn young. for the third time I was out and two women I was chatting with commented they thought I was no older than mid/late twenties - around 25-28. this has happened consistently to the point where I have began stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:14 PM
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I actually agree with this. height can make up for an average/below average face but a good face cannot make up for a lack of height the amount of average looking/weird looking guys I see with weird/odd who are tall 6 foot 2+ with hot women would blow your mind
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:01 PM
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I can predict with 95% accuracy based on how a man looks and how they speak within 2 minutes if they have success with women or not. It’s a simple combination of raw immutable looks factors (height, face, sometimes race) and if they are relatively neurotypical. It has nothing to do with charm, values, interesting personality, intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 11:13 PM
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oh yeah obviously I wear the "I only date trad wives and women with bodycounts above 3 are whoorrreeess" t -shirt out everywhere I go! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:44 PM
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Some things are self evident. and yes, I know, from interacting with siblings and close female freinds and hearing their issues/selection process and the outcomes. stop using mainsplaning as scapegoat- that is true for some things, but not this. its obvious and self evident. when your sister goes "oh yeah, he kinda is easy to anger, and has some possessive traits that are coming out...like wanting me to check in with him all the time...or asking how many guy friends I have...but overall he's a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:00 PM
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oh my fanfic is based on countless similar conversations I've had - and thanks for proving my point. and I also disagree that abusers "hide" intentions - to most men from the outside there are clear signs, that women mention themselves but choose to ignore because "ohhhh he's so hot/charming". just like men think with their dicks sometimes , women think with their clits. seen it in my female friends and sisters, all the damn time, you ain't changing my mind on that :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 03:19 PM
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no. women tend to assume any modicum of frustration or critique of women means the guy is probably and incel. let me give you an example: guy: "dating sucks, I have a good job, hobbies, friends but I can't attract women - I notice they seem to love tall attractive men, and I'm short - I think it's my looks - I wish women cared less about this, I'm frustrated - I have a lot to offer and if women only looked past that for a sec, I keep using dating apps and approaching with no success" girl: "um, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:49 PM
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"if you're under 7' 9' plz swipe left k thx bye tehehehe"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 01:03 PM
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I love how you just distall the paragraphs into a simple perspective. I get this forum is to get at the weeds and sexual-social underpinnings of behavior, but its good to just post "yeah, water is wet" to ground everyone as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 09:23 PM
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there's lots of 'tism in this thread. why are we making basic social decorum so complicated? I've never seen a cold approach "go horribly" unless the man was completely social unaware (Appraoched a women alone / when she was obviously very busy / came on strong etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:10 PM
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nailed it. it's not really a gendered issue. HOWEVER, I think just telling men "this is just being good friends" is kind of a disservice as women who use men as "emotional support pets" tend to to a very good job a stringing men along and putting on a face of being interested/etc - similar to manipulative charming men leading women along for sex. these women have CHARM and lets be honest, a lot of men will fall for it. I've been an emotional support pet before - it becomes obvious I was being us…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 02:05 PM
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Sigh. Still completely missed the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:12 AM
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Throw in a facial scar, sit at a booth and do the thousand yard stare
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 02:47 PM
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Ha! You must be killing it. actually your pic is a good example of the type lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 02:40 PM
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I know women say “attraction and looks are subjective”, but everytime I ask what their type is it’s 90% this: Tall, Dark, cute/hot face, emotionally available and intelligent but not a pushover. Like every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 02:25 PM
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Ha! Def Moved to the rust belt
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 02:14 PM
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I moved to a place where women LOVE the rough blue collar look on men and traditionally “pretty boys” aren’t desirable at all. Think Gerard butler, Josh Broken, Hugh Laurie, or any guy with a large face with pronounced facial features (big noses, large skulls) and a ton of facial hair. Kinda like the “hot ugly” blue collar look. The complete opposite type they are into would be basically any k pop star, any guy with more pretty boy / softer features. Or celebrities like Joseph Jordan levitt, Ral…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 01:55 PM
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I thought the age itself gave the ick, but in my experience, if you look very young they seem to literally not care. Im almost 40. I look 28/29 (seriously). When I get hit on, it’s usually ONLY by women who are in their early twenties. And when they find out my true age they 95% of the time don’t care. Women in their thirties and up generally are not into me because I look too young. It’s literally all about looks. Sorry to say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 01:41 PM
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You completely missed my point. Completely. You also failed to understand other clearly made points by others. I’d say stop for awhile, relax, and come back with a more open mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:24 PM
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it is as simple as being a women and doing basic things though. but then again, we men obviously have zero idea of what is attractive to us right? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 06:47 PM
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you can absolutely grow muscle size and shape. that's a core principle of bodybuilding. sure, there are ranges of predispositions to it, but anyone can increase muscle size. get under some deep deep free squats, hip abductor movements, hyperextensions and watch that booty blow up! People need to question their limitations :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:51 PM
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disagree. I'm a part time personal trainer (physique based vs bodybuilding). 95% of women can achieve a "sexy" body with the right training/diet/etc. that includes curves - you'd be suprised at how much you can grow your glutes to increase the apperance of curves. I've seen the flattest pancake ass women grow a brazilian booties with enough training!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 05:01 PM
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I don’t want women to change, just to be honest. Own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:20 PM
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Fucking love this honesty and take. this is EXACTLY what men have been thinking have just wanted women to admit. Never in history have woman have this much leverage, influence, and power in the dating market than today. Discounting this extreme advantage/privilage actually does damage to women - why? it prevents women from realizing how much CONTROL they have over getting the type of man they want. if women exercise accountability, they can realize they can pretty much get any guy they want be i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 04:10 PM
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lol thats a lot to ask for a guy to do just to attract women. similar to "just get tattoos bro, women love tattoos" brb gonna permanently tattoo myself just for women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 03:30 PM
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no I agree with you there - i'm trying to explain WHY from a dating marketplace level. That way, men can 1) realize the truth 2) improve accordingly easy example: you're a short fit guy but can't pull fit girls? you look objectively and realize it's probably your height - so go after short fit women. in the early stages of dating, it's all a game of selling. what a lot of men don't realize is that women actually dictate if chemistry/connection WILL occur- based on your looks/image/style (and som…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 02:45 PM
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There is ABSOLUTELY a "marketplace' and exchange of values in the modern dating era. that has a large influence on what you can pull (as you said). these can be broken down into specific things like looks (height, dress, facial aesthetics) and income/status etc. these marketplace values are based on non-connection related qualities. that is different. you don't get the connection (are you two actually compatibile?) unless you pass through the market place filter first. I think we are gonna have …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 02:29 PM
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your level according to what? the dating "marketplace" or based on what you and she possesses? thats my whole damn point that causes frustration. You're basically saying that a 5 foot 7 ripped guy who is then at the same "level" as an overweight/normal weight girl since the guy is short. that is NOT his "level" objectively, however, it may be based on the dating marketplace today.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 02:12 PM
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lol not true. some men. but also alot of men just want their looksmatch. another problem as I highlighted above is that women in general are more attractive inherently than men (even with equal attributes). so you can be a put together guy but be unable to attract a put together girl because a put together can look "hot", while a put together can just look "oh, he has good fashion sense/grooming" (to your point)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 02:03 PM
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I keep seeing posts asserting that people generally "date wiithin their league" at least physically, to men who complain they can't get their looksmatch. the reason why a lot of men are so frustrated about this is that the attributes that make a man attractive physically are often different vs the attributes that make a women attractive physically. furthemore, the attributes that make a women attractive are relatively changeable wheres they are not for men. Examples: 1) A short guy with a great …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 01:22 PM
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dood, welcome to the club. to add insult to injury, it's not like I'm a slob. I'm incredibly fit (posted a week ago on a fitness forum if you want to take a look) - but I got a meh/average face. so now I want a women who takes care of her health/is in good shape, but those women are much higher on the "sexual marketplace" than I am since physique improves a womens' look way more than it does a mans'. so I'm stuck in this purgatory zone where women who are fit shoot for guys above me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 01:12 PM
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yeah, im just trying to bring light to the "it takes two to tango" - things old schools like pick up artistry fail to adress. the level of game you have is directly proportional to how physically attractive she finds you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:56 PM
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One of the more subtle indicators that your looks are holding you back is if it's easy to flirt with non-single women, but almost impossible to flirt with single women. If you are witty, if the conversations "flows" talking with a women - but it's almost always only with married/taken women, this indicates that the single women are "preventing" chemistry/banter from occuring because they are not attracted to your looks. This indicates you actually have a good personality/ability to flirt (since …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 05:51 PM
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occums razor: A lot of men and women do find partners and get paired up. however a certain segment of the population is pretty terrible at selecting partners (both men and women). From what I've observed, it's women who have incredibly high standards that are not proportional to what they offer and women who tend to choose excitement over stability well into their late twenties/thirties. These women get bombarded quite frankly good options but said women don't find them exciting or "hot/high sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 03:03 PM
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nailed it. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. the very behaviors that manifest after getting lack of dating success for men are pretty much the exact things that are huge turn-offs for women. lack of confidence / lack of options / etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 08:37 PM
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gym is great for general confidence, health, and appearing more fit/good body language. it may or may not translate into improvements in being attractive to the opposite sex, depending on the gender or what the man has inherently. for women, getting a great body will almost 100% make her physically attractive to most men. for men, it depends - if he's short - most women will still no find him attractive (although the number that will will probably increase). poor facial aesthetics - same thing. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:58 PM
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I Remember that before social media men lifted for strength / agility and most programs were focused on that. that quickly morphed lifting for max aesthetics (shoulder to hip ratio etc) and most lifting programs for men are centered around maximizing the aesthetic muscle groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:54 PM
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I Think the issue here is that the "social norm" has now become to not even interact or mingle with anyone - to the point where most men are not going to get any signals or invitations - and I don't think that necessarily means the women don't want to be talked to -they may just be sociallly conditioned to never interact with any strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:04 PM
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yeah i get it - I know some posters (women mostly lol) will say "well, read the room, if she seems open to it then talk! - look for a smile, her not being busy". well, hell, at least where I live (huge modern city) - NO ONE looks like they want to be talked to, literally anywhere. I'm actually at a coffee shop now - all the women that are by themselves have headphones in, focused on their laptops/book. if you go to the grocery store, people have "don't even think about saying a word" look on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:01 PM
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I agree that the opportunities to approach and have a conversation have dwindled SIGNIFICANTLY - and I understand some of it is intentional (I don't want to be bothered at the gym) and some of it is out of habit (I always listen to podcasts/music when I'm at the coffee shop / walking). however, this occurs with such ubiquitessness than the "Status quo" is that you "don't talk to any strangers in public" - which is a change from 10+year ago and definetely 20+ years ago. This does a huge disservic…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 03:34 PM
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Bingo Nailed it. But where does one draw the line? definetely at actions that are grossly sexual and non-consensual. but what about thoughts? I know that a lot of women recoil in disgust at men who objectify them sexually, even if none of it is verbalized. sometimes this is just natural visceral lust that is part of being a man. but there seems to be a tremendous aversion and pushing back on this thought behavior. here's a grotesque but real example: A 22 year old guy with raging hormones that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:05 PM
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I’m edging right now as I type this. The Chad force is too strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:00 PM
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just watched a pristine total CHAD walk into the coffee shop. tall, muscular frame, sick five o clock shadow, 9/10 face with sharp jawline. you could sense the sexual tension between him and every girl in the coffee shop - stares/leers. I could literaly see the women squirm. that is genuine desire. I think the visceral attraction to true CHADS its even more poignant and intense than men's visceral attraction to very hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:54 PM
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I always thought that if you are at a bar and were the "cute" guy there, but another group of men walked in that were objectively far hotter than you, that her brain was suddenly adjust to the hotter group and no longer find you attractive. This is in contrast to men, where if we see a women we think is pretty, but a group of 5 objectively prettier women walk into the bar, we aren't going to suddenly find the first girl just "meh"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:32 PM
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men prioritize looks more than women, but women are PICKIER ABOUT LOOKS than men. so in the end, it's actually worse, because as a man you need to have the looks (which they are pickier about vs men) + everything else. It's like saying (and I'm making this up as an example) "When looking for a house, men seem to prioritize overall square footage more than women" but "Although women don't prioritize overall square footage as much as men as they care more about the garden space, proximity to schoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:07 AM
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Being decent is a base expectation. Also, it is not inherently arousing or attractive in itself. When you notice a man is acting “decent” do you think “omg, I’m all hot and bothered…I’m aroused…actually”. If he’s avg looking you just think “oh he’s a good guy”. If he’s hot you think “oh, he’s hot and decent”. No. No you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 10:37 PM
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Decent and also attractive men. Please add the qualifier. Without it you are eliminating 95% of men who are decent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 10:15 PM
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Yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:39 PM
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well that's the ENTIRE problem of modern dating - the percent of men that women find physically appealing ends up being the REAL issue here. it's easy to find an intellectually appealing man it's easy to find a morally good/honest man etc etc now, finding these attributes ina man that is also "ohhh he's so YUMMY and dreamy" suddenly becomes an arms race between you and rest of the female population that all want these same top 5% men. I've been around women my whole life, sisters/friends/clubbin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:22 PM
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That’s because men being better is not the issue. The issue is women choosing to select and stay with “hawt” “exciting” men that tickle their emotional rollercoaster. Again. There is a large swath of men who are decent that struggle because they are not “hawt/exciting” enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:12 PM
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good standards to have to filter people before dating someone: loyalty, stability, common interests, common values, are you somewhat physically attracted to them or could see yourself physically attracted to them. stupid standards to have that will filter out tons of potential people that would be good had you met them: strange fixation on specific physical attributes (must be over 6 foot 2, must not be blonde, his nose is kinda funny looking ewwww), social media clout or picture quality (omg, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 11:15 PM
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nothing is wrong, im saying what men probaly want to hear vs "oh you are just so stable/reliable"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 04:13 PM
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What men want is for a women to say "damn, your husband material AND I can't stop wanting to rip your clothes off you are so sexy, how did I get so lucky??"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:48 PM
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Why all the black and white rhetoric. "oh, if you are man that struggles with women its definetely because you have a clear set of flaws that is readily apparent to anyone" You know, you can struggle as a man with dating just being..you know..just being somewhere in the middle like being average or below average looking / having a tendency to be introverted/shy. you provide "evidence" that all the "horrible" dates you are and your friends on was because of the reasons above? But you are leaving …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 03:44 PM
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yeah, but the whole point of my post is that some people pick or choose men based on objectively the wrong things. You (And everyone else) are free to do what you choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:33 PM
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disagree heavily. things can be objectively incorrect and correct. this whole age of "everything is subjective" needs to die, and die fast. you don't get to define the important factors for a long term relationship. that is determined by what is actually proven to be important.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:28 PM
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really? I think I'm a solid 5. does that mean I'm actually a 3? shit!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:49 PM
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think the big frustration comes from men that seem to notice that, in order to achieve a chance at seeing if you both have qualities that may be conducive to a long term relationship (e.g common interests, chemistry, similar values, conflict resolution, similar goals etc), the men must meet qualities that have far LESS to do with a long term relationship (e.g. looks, desirability by men and other women, swag, status, etc). furthemore, the "bar" for these qualities (the ones that get you the "aud…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:46 PM
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I'd think it's its a little weird that they are strategizing so much of their life around basically a polite stranger. I'd be more weirded out by the fact that they had to vocalize their thoughts and give me a gift that anything. even if I liked them prior as well, It would put me off as not being socially calibrated/socially aware
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:35 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:23 PM
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it posts like a radical left wing freak out session, which the rest of society thankfully ignore
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:31 PM
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nailed it! I've been out with attractive female friends and I can often count on one hand one many men they see that are truly their type on a night out (in a large city surrounded by affluent people). the women also won't approach those men, and those men won't approach the women (usually) - since either...no one makes a move or those men are in relationships/pre-occupied. however, these women I know can easily find these men on apps. this is also why I vehemently disagree with the "don't appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:12 PM
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your lambast session, although probably carthertic for you, doesn't change the fact that most women are attracted to the overall type of men and if you don't fit that type then your chances plummet. yeah, and a lot of women flat out lie about what they are actually instinctually attracted to in a mate as to appear more morally virtuous. seen it a million times. but yeah, tell us that we are wrong when self evident truth slaps us in the face. it ain't gonna work. sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 02:06 PM
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I dont' have any evidence. hence why I gave you my personal opinion based on my personal observations. but countless men have had similar observations, that have been increasing. there are trends. and sometimes things are self evident. example - I can probably confidently say that people don't like to get their fingers jammed in a doorway. I don't need a study to demonstrate that. that's a black and white one. let's choose something more grey. Pizza tastes more appealing then wilted unseasoned s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:51 AM
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I have theory that part of the reason why women are signaling men to "never approach in public" is some women have further control over only the men they find attractive (from the get to) having a chance with them. that way they can control the public domain as well as the digital domain (apps, social media) They've effectively choked off all avenues of men they have not preselected (from afar) from getting a chance. but this does a disservice to the women that actually WANT to be approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:43 AM
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occums razor. this is it. you'd be amazed at how raw attraction almost appears to be a completely independent variable from anything else as it applies to [if I'm friends with a women, will she like me?] I have sisters, been around womem my life, seen it all, for most women she'll have feelings for you if you're also hot to her. common interests + hot to her = feelings little common interests + hot to her = feelings nice guy + hot to her = feelings kind of a dick + not hot to her = no feelings C…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:38 AM
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although you probably won't find a conclusive study, but you can put some "pieces together" that indicate that men not being hot enough has something to to do with pairing going down - but causation cannot be determined. IMO (and this is not a study, just my observations having numerous female friends / several relationships / was working in the entertainment/party/bar industry on and off for 20 years) - there has been a fairly large shift in how modern women have selected men since the early 20…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:29 AM
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Question: is there any sensible way to actual intuit the way the other sex views attraction to the opposite sex? I feel like this may solve A LOT of the misunderstanding between the sexes. Is there a way to REALLY put men in women's shoes and vice versa? like, if I was suddenly a reasonably attractive women in the US in her mid twenties - along with the emotional/primal hardwiring (Attraction for straight men) - yet I could still "isolate" her experience as independent of my own - what would I l…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:13 AM
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it's going to be IMPOSSIBLE to find a study that actually correlates "men aren't hot enough" (jesus how do you even define that?) and "pairing rates decreasing"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 03:06 AM
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I actually for the most part agree here. the caveat being, if there is an ACTUAL problem that needs to be solved, that it needs to be addressed eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 08:06 PM
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I've also joked that what men TRULY want to hear women re-phrase this is as follows: "ugh, the bar is truly in HELL for men! [that I already find physically attractive, which is a fairly narrow range, and also strangely the same narrow type that other women find attractive, which means those men have a ton of options and can be choosy and behave poorly. Also, 95% of the audience I'm projecting this too I know you would probably treat me way way better but you don't count but please acknowledge t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 08:04 PM
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I think a nuanced point here is that women seem very very primally attracted to externalized overt displays of high confidence for some reason. truly confident "good men", don't really display confidence like this, therefore they may be passed up in favor of "shinier confidence".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 07:56 PM
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I'm all for agreeing which one is more desirable. where I take issue with is when women justify how "nice guys" are worse than "bad boys" from a "is this a shitty human being" standpoint. even if they both are toxic and toxic in different ways, the "bad boy" i'd say is more morally reprehensible. if we are defining "bad boy" = purposely using women for fun/sex, lying, being manipulative. its purposeful and intentful and "nice guy" = he was told growing up that being nice to women is what they li…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 03:41 PM
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Bahaha the replies from women. OP, it’s clear women find overt narcissistic sociopathic or self serving behavior preferable to someone who is passive aggressive but with good intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:08 AM
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Yeah I get it, I just don’t agree that working out makes men suddenly way more attractive It helps your personal life, confidence, and sometimes with women. But women in general want the whole package when it comes to looks. So working out is only a small part. My problem is I have an avg face. So I went from having an average face being skinny to avg face being ripped. Still relatively avg.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 04:07 AM
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I’m legit ripped / great body from fitness training and doing amatuer physique shows. Women are more about the face/height. Trust
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:53 AM
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And what if there are no signs women are interested??? I’m an average looking guy and I have to make the first move or nothing is happening. It’s the cards I was dealt with. Luckily im a good conversationalist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 03:20 AM
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This advice is BS because it's generalized. it's non-targeted and does not hone in on individualized issues and problems. you will only attract women if you do the things that attract women. Those things may or may not align with the above cliches.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 12:50 AM
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You’d be amazed at what 7 cocktails at 2am will make anyone confess
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:40 PM
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how confident and charming? are we talking just having the "gift of gab" and draws people in - maybe I can do better at my job, pivot to sales? can I manipulate people? what else do I get with this? do I keep my same job? finances? If so, then hell no. looks matter a ton. If I suddenyl became charming and confident yet women kept rejecting my despite that it would just amplify how looks is 90% of the game Now are we talking like "top 0.01%" charm/confidence where I can literally capture entire a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:15 PM
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exactly. women have accepted and embraced sexual empowerement. they have money, independence, and society promotes sex as liberating and free. therefore, they can act purely on their carnal desires. This means chad just has to exist and not act like a weirdo and he will get to dump his seed in girl 2 hours after meeting her when she invites him over. she will just need him to have sex with her, and not act weird. even if he acts weird its probably fine since the main goal is fulfilling the carne…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 10:14 PM
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hung out with some new-ish friends last night and we started going around just telling our crazy stories. I've always thought one of the ladies in the group was conservative/demure - saying how she grew up religious, had strict parents and just in general had a very cautious slow vibe in dating - as in over the past year of knowing her she would always say how she never kisses on the first date, is looking for something serious, and is very cautious with men, and values personality a ton over lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 05:11 PM
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I overall agree with your post - there are some guys whose natural, relaxed, best-self is just NOT aligned with the aspects of "game" at all. so what happens with these men (I'm probably one of them to be honest) is that it ALWAYS takes shifting outside your natural state, which takes energy and time and is not really sustainable in order to get in the "game" state with women. in the end you can succeed..but just kind of get sick of having to shift all the time. alot of men who are truly intelle…
/r/seduction08/02/25 05:05 PM
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Watching men and women actively avoid each other like the plague in public is really hilarious. at a coffee shop it's like someone perfectly segregated everyone (that did not come there together like couples etc) by gender, with only men interacting with men and women with women. there has been clear open spots on one of the tables that is full of men - I've seen walk by, think about it, then decide to not sit down and just leave over and over again. the gender wars are here. and each side clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:11 PM
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what do you mean "work the margins"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 06:00 PM
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lol I'm fine socializing/getting out there. thats not the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:38 PM
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Starting my 6 months looksmaxxing journey as a last ditch effort to reach the minimum looks threshold required for women. I'm currently a 5.5 and 80% of the way there but hoping to god I can eek out another .5-1 points in order to finally cross that threshold where suddenly "chemistry" and "sparks" start happening. Things I'm doing: -Leanmaxxing with muscular definition: currently 189 at 15% BF. hoping I can get down to 175-180 at 10-12% BF to bring up my facial definition/jaw more while retaini…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 05:29 PM
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emotional labor is not quantifiable and holds no record of anything prior you did. it's why you can a ton things for someone then she goes "well you didn't do it RIGHT, or make me FEEL right", and then suddenly none of the shit you did mattered. you can also game the system by doing jack shit, then making the women FEEL good based on a few words, while she yells at her beta friend orbiter who sat through her crying about her ex for an entire weekend for wanting to hang out once
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:46 PM
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phone call, researching the restaurant logistics, negotating with the event including cost, using how many poeple will come to determine if the event will work, setting up the date, probably running and also getting the plates/utensils/cake as well when running to home depot to spend an hour shopping and loading chairs up for the after party and grabbing drinks/etc for the people going to several stores probably. oh, and he'll probably set up the event too, which involves moving a ton of shit ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:11 PM
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If you truly believe what you say, you are the exact type of women that is causing men to run away from women, and it's for the best. absolutely zero appreciation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:03 PM
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if you think the example outlined is a "perfect example of men not doing anything" you are completely blind. "oh, the man scheduled the dinner at hte restaurnat, negotiated the terms, party room, set up logistcs, went to hardware store and picked up supplies......but he didnt pick the napkin or cake design BURNNNN HIMMMMM" it's a perfect example of how some women think a 100 actions done don't count if he didn't do one action she wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:26 PM
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I dont know, in my experience the women usually takes the majority of the "event planning" and appointment planning related to healthcare / family events / birthdayys - becuase 1) men in general kind of suck at it because it requires sort of a fun/festive/yay kinda of vibe and communication style that is women-centric 2) because men in general suck at it, women take th reigns and do it themselves. I think the men's job is to provide support/space to the women and help with the logistics vs make …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 02:25 PM
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actually agree that most gen z men are not the best prospects. disagree on later generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:44 PM
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I think a subset of women are entering into this "soft harem" dynamic - but it's probably less than what most RPers think. From what Ive noticed, Gen Z women who do want to play the field /have fun typically enter into obvious soft harem dynamics where they purposely targeting the exact men who are sleeping with a lot of women. They in general avoid men who are good relationship prospects and target fun/charming/good looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 07:47 PM
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to add: whenever I've been in situations with women/female friends and the booze starts flowing / we are in a open/fun topics the truth comes out hard and is around similar themes: "omg, give me a TALL guy, it's my kryponite" "I hate how I just love a super cocky sporty guy in a backwards cap" etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 10:05 PM
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No need for sympathy. Just acknowledging your privilege. Just like want white men working as CEOS to acknowledge theirs. You know for the past 30 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:01 PM
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I personally think women just don't acknowledge their privilage and power in the dating market these days and therefore it is difficult to empathize with men. this is a huge mystery that I have been unable to solve. it does a disservice to men and women. not acknoweledging your extreme privilage hurts women because they don't realize the immense power they to improve their chances at finding the right person for them becuase they seem to focus on victimhood or dont take matters into their own ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 02:31 PM
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Yeah? How?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:54 AM
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Thought about it but figure if I can max my looks to cross the threshold then I have to worry less about paying them
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:54 AM
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It’s nice. but modern women don’t need money or care about ability to provide unless you are already attractive enough for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:40 AM
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I’m muscular with low bodyfat. Well defined pack and everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:21 AM
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Seriously considering a “last ditch effort” to get my looks over the threshold required so that looks is not the limiting factor anymore In attracting modern women. So sick of getting the cold shoulder from Women for not being “hawt” enough. I’m a fit well dressed guy that cannot get a fit girl because fit women are valued so much in the modern dating age. I just. Need. To. Hit. That. Threshold. I need to pay like a total makeover consultant and pay top dollar for it. Someone that can put top a …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:12 AM
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oh I do degree that they do substantially improve your face. however, its not going to improve it to the extent where its a "handsome face" most of the time. thats only for men who already have handsome faces underneath high bodyfat
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 12:40 AM
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I still don't think slimming down your bf will result in a "Great Face" for most men. better face maybe, but not great. that's reserved for a minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 12:23 AM
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it may not be a dealbreaker, but if women have the choice to date someone taller they will, and they usually always have that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 12:22 AM
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yes, some women like 6 foot tall asians. some like 6 foot tall white people. some like 6 foot tall hipsters. some like 6 foot tall gingers. see they like different things?!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 11:55 PM
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you don't need a damn powered meta study to know that most people like the taste of creme brulee and don't like the taste of burnt toast. same principle when it comes to what women are atttracted too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 11:53 PM
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I disagree with the 20% threshold - in that 1) the threshold required to suddenly get a ton more attention is more like 5% and 2) getting to 5% involves having immutable qualities like height, good face etc. that being said, most men can probably get in at least the top 20%, but limiting factors will hold a lot of these men back unless they are the top 5%. I've been to plenty of singles mixers / etc around my city in nicer upscale areas. I can tell you with 100% certainty that there are usually …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 11:49 PM
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looks is the limiting factor. its the resume that gets you the interview. you also can't really polish a turd - at least men cant. that doesnt mean men should not try - they absolutely should and it helps. but the myth that cleaning yourself can overcome lack of physical attraction needs to die. it just helps you in cases where you are the women's physical type.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 11:43 PM
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First catagory.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 07:10 PM
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I’m confused as to the premise of your question
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:54 PM
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I never understood the need for some women to act virtuous and not just accept reality that height matters a TON. Men have been being honest since the dawn of time of what is attractive to them. If you are TALL you can literally be avg looking / skinny as a rail / overweight and some women will just find it hot that you are TALL
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:51 PM
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Except when it comes down to actions women seem strangely be attracted and aroused by a relatively narrow criteria of base qualities…so I simply don’t agree. Some women prefer blonde hair. Some dark hair. Some like the hipster look. As long as they fit the criteria I outlined above….women even go across their preferences if the man is attractive enough or fits a socially accepted stereotype of status. Example - most women I know in the US are primal attracted to the jock look regardless of the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 06:26 PM
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Daily reminder on the "tier list" for looks for men: 1) raw looks (conventionally good looking features, height) 2) masuculinity (facial hair, rugged look, stockier/muscular builds) You can get away with 1 only. if you don't have 1 you can somewhat getaway with 2 as it will appeal to some women (the hot ugly look) if you can't get either one or two then you are f'd. example: an average looking average height man who can't grow facial/body hair, has smoother skin and a baby ish face
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 05:48 PM
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As a man sometimes I decide to throw out all assumptions on standards and just literally find my ideal woman and see if there is a connection there for the hell of it. it's fun being vulnerable and just not giving a shit of something likes or doesnt like you. find the hottest girl, best dressed, most sophisticated women you can find and just have a damn conversation with her without any assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:35 PM
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you choose to act on it. you are just as responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 05:09 PM
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You have NO idea, however harsh it sounds, that a women telling the truth on here is so so so refreshing for so many men. Half our frustration is women can’t seem to admit their privilege as it pertains to dating and selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 01:58 PM
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I disagree. I although I think women are held to a higher overall standard by society, I think men are actually held to a much higher standard specific to the modern dating world. Meaning attributes such as height/hair/facial aesthetics (which are hard or impossible to change) dictate what is physically attractive for women. Whereas women have more to work with as they have more leeeway to be objectively attractive. It’s important for men to analyze where they stand (as you said) and why they st…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:11 AM
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Because the looks matched argument is flawed. As a man you will typically have to settle for a girl who is not your looks match since looks are prized more for women. This is esp true if you aren’t in the top 10% guy. Great example - a guy who has a great fit body 6 pack v taper etc and grooms well is looks matched with very fit women with a bikini body. However, if said man is 5 foot 7 then the sexual marketplace dictates that he is below her significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:53 PM
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Absolutely nailed it here. Also, when the typical man has put in said effort / etc and cannot land his equivalent due to the skewed dating market, and sees men who have arguably been fortunately born with the right genes (looks) skirt by just by throwing on a random t shirt, not grooming their hair, not using any swag/charm and still getting by way easier it’s a huge wake up call.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:42 PM
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Nailed it. With the one major caveat that lots of “flaws” become cute/endearing she is highly Attracted to you. But that requires you to pass an initial “flawless” check. I can’t wait to hear the retorts from women. grabs popcorn I’m predicting the following: 1) hey, a lot of these “minor flaws” you are saying are actually big deals. Not having a high paying job? Ugh how can he align with my lifestyle. Wearing bad sneakers? Thats a systemic problem as it means the man doesn’t pay attention to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:32 PM
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partially disagree. you probably will look good - as in kempt, in style, in shape, healthy. but that doesn't mean women will be attracted to your physical look. that is determined more by inherent immutable qualities like height, facial structure, frame, etc. for men at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:10 AM
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as long as the fit man has a decent face, is of decent height. fitness is a multiplier on existing looks base, not a standalone thing that arouses women. I have a fitness model level body with an average face and average height. I can tell you confidently that most women would find a rail skinny / overweight guy who is over 6 feet with a good face more inherently arousing then me. not a self disparaging comment, just a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:07 AM
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It's getting worse as looks are becoming so important.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:05 AM
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your point is meaningless since women have much much higher standards for looks on dating apps. the standards for what is swipeable looks wise is is miles and miles apart for men vs women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:05 AM
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it's not just women at sports bars. also, you can go to a sports bar and not have a "passion for sports"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:25 PM
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white>blacklatino>>>>>asian. it matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:39 PM
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oh, I thought gym wasn't a super interesting hobby??? amd yes, lots of chads just look that way. great genetics. also alot of guys I know like that don't really go to the gym and have slight beer bellies. but they are tall so that makes up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 01:39 PM
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lol the ole’ “maYBE if you HAd sTyLe and HoBBies gILrs would akCtually LiKe you” Yeah that’s why I see 6 foot 2 white men whose only hobbies are watching sports and playing computer games stroll into a bar with a backwards cap, basketball shorts, a college t shirt and dirty sneakers and who constantly get hook ups from women. Buncha BS. Especially for hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 07:42 PM
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oh yeah, I frequency bars i an trendy part of town and there is zero compeition once these select men enter the area. I've chatted with a few of them, and their straegy is to literally sit at the bar, have a drink, and a hot girl will approach them everytime, usually multiple, and he goes home with her. Now granted these are like 6 foot plus guys that clean up well and look like athletes - like top 1-5%. The rules are bent for these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 04:50 PM
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the women can also approach to, and the women usually in 95% of situations has more power.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:22 PM
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that's not the point of a taking a stance on a point - you have to lean one way. the "depends" is the point of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:22 PM
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no, men select based on which women choose them and make it easy, even if its not his primary choices women ignore the men who approach who are not her primary choices until the primary choice bites or another primary choice comes into the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:15 PM
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You are missing some key nuances. 1) from what ive noticed, women have more specific narrow types and have more tunnel vision vs men. If you are women that likes a guy, but the guy has en eye for another girl, he will probably still find you attractive and give you a chance. I dont think this is the same for women this means women have more agency vs men. 2) couple this with the fact that women find far less men appealing than men to women, this simply amplifies the imbalance. A women at a bar w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:14 PM
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people want to think they have agency over situations, including the desires of others. little do they know other people are human beings with their own independent thoughts/choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:08 PM
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interesting perspective - although I would argue that for most men (except for the top 1-5%), their is a power imbalance. I actualyl think the power imbalance flips once you reach the top 1-5% to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:07 PM
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You and me baby we aint nothing but mammals
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:55 AM
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IMO women are far more simpler than men think when it comes to attraction. like men, they are attracted to certain physical characteristics first and foremost. and these characterists tend to be more common and general than people say they are. height, face, bone structure, Sure, some women may be into dark haired men, or black or white men, but those men typically have similar base qualities that are common. I do agree that otherfactors such as confidence / etc matter for women and not for men,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:59 AM
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in general I'd say you are objectively better looking than him and I'd bet if I took a public survey of 100 random people in the us that the vast majority would agree - more in the cities and less in the rural areas. that being said, and like you said, you find him very attractive and value him for your life's aligning in values etc. I don't know where you live, but I do know that where I live, most women that looked like you would never even consider dating a guy that looked like your husband -…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 03:32 AM
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Yes, what’s why when CHAD smirks and gives women a flirty stare it’s inviting, but when TIMMY the overweight balding guy does it she scowls and calls HR! Bad Timmy. You should’ve known YOU can’t objectify her!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 11:30 PM
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I'm a man and this is the best take that resonates with men IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 02:13 PM
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man 1: "hi! I thought you were cute, let me introduce you, my name is jared - I'm a CPA and I love traveling especially hiking on the west coast my favorite spot is rainer - now tell me abour yourself" woma: "stop.....lol....where's the rizz..you sound so vanilla" man 2: "YO SUP SHAWTY MY BOIS NOTICED YOU FROM STAGE IM GONNA COME HEA NOM SAYING HOLLA NO CAP I BE MIRIN YOU FROM AFAR CAN'T MY YES OFF YOU, YOUS THE PRETTIEST ONE IN THE AUDIENCE IN MA TOUR, YOU GOT DAT DRAP, NO CAP THIS CLUB BE BUSS…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 10:50 PM
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New topic I've never heard discussed here before: men can instinctively just "know" when another men is viscerally attractive to most women. it's an instinct we possess. its 90% looks, but also personality/style can just make him more lethal. sometime you can't explain it - but it is similar to what women "sense" therefore, if you see a guy and you also sense this, its 95% likely that he is used to attracting women - and I've been right over and over again. if you don't sense it, he might not st…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:43 AM
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not sure about your first point but your second point - yeah that's just a result of the same qualities in men and women being valued differently - which is far worse for men. example- being a fit guy with a 6 pack/beach body on a short man doesnt do much. on any height women in instantly catapults her to min 7/10 looks. a crappy position to be in is a 5 foot 6 male fitness model that is dating an overweight women because he can't actually attract a fit women since those fit women are not into h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:36 AM
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I'm in disagreement with most people that face > height. I think height>face. in the sense that it is the one thing, in itself, that can compensate for everything else. the most common type I see going out that is a "mismatch" is a tall lanky white guy wearing a ball cap, loose shorts and a random t shirt with dirty white shoes/flip flops kind of walking/sitting with a lazy slouch vaping while playing minecraft/fortnite on his ipad/laptop witha super hot/cute cool attractive women. and then when…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:32 AM
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yeah, people less experienced arguing point which are so self evident to others. I had a similar thing with my blackpilling experience - I saw the rapid change in over prioritization of looks for men - around 10 years ago that just got worse every year. I noticed that 80% of sexual success or lack thereof seemed explained by raw immutable looks (height, frame, face) - almost like I Struck on this simple explanation for everything. People through it in my face, calling me "Austistic" and "overthi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:28 PM
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The Red Pill is not a protocol or method, it's merely a way to explain human intersexual behavior. the BEST way to be attractive to the opposite sex is to reach the physical attraction threshold (which 95% of men don't meet, even well groomed men that take care of themselves) and then just be around environments to meet single women and have normal social skills. it's really that simple. you don't need a course/guide/100 steps/etc -it's all grift. even the better books like "models by mark mason…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 06:06 PM
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you are not romanticizing the 90's (and 2000's as well) - also the standards from women were way lower for looks as well (I'm mostly BlackPill btw) - this has just created a horrid environment for most men. If you were just plain had a fun vibe and looked decently put together you could get with women. it was totally different then. I dressed like a POS and weighed a skinny 135lbs had a shaggy unkempt haircut and suceeded. I have a theory that creating a "dont bother women in real life" is to ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:58 PM
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Its NOT the same. I'm in my late 30's. I remember going to a bar, people being friendly and social (both sexes) - both sexes being very open to approach (looks, glances, etc) it was also common to chat/approach at coffee shops, streets, grocery stores etc. it's completely different now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 05:44 PM
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Modern dating culture is a perveted abberation that I hope dies quickly so we can go back to being normal human fucking beings. The status qou is "never talk in person" It's preffering to meet a stranger over social media versus meeting an actual human being in person getting to see their personality/charm It's partner selection based on marketing and flash - cool pics, cool images, cool texting, game, rizz, status. yesterday I went to bar and noticed a group of women that were cleary dressed up…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:52 PM
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You posted two different guys who are objectively attractive. You just proved my point lol. There is variation amongst which hot guy women find attractive, but they are still hot guys lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:37 PM
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yeah, that's why a women love a well rounded man who has humor, wit, ambition, grooms well, good values, common interest, confidence..who is also 5 foot 7. oh wait I thought we were talkking about the whole package. you mean the whole package IF man meets [physical attribute he can't control here]
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:30 PM
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the memes write themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:29 PM
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Attraction is subjective is a lie that needs not DIE NOW if are to be make any sort of progress. Stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 11:11 PM
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its beeen beaten ad neauseum - but basically (in order of priority) 1) Tall (6 foot 2 is ideal) 2) Face (Pronounced Jaw, Pleasing Face) 3) Frame (Wide Frame versus Narrow) If you 1), you can get away with not having 2 or 3 in a decent amount of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:33 PM
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I never understood the blatant ignorance of reality - men already admit they are attracted to generaly similar attributes in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:59 PM
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I keep hearing about how womens' preferences for looks are "subjective", yet I can, with near 95% accuracy, predict which men different female friends of mine will find attractive. they may be of slightly different races / styles - but their physical attributes are all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:31 PM
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there is a difference between calculated transaction and subconcious transaction. the first one is sociopathic and the second one is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 05:15 PM
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men are more idealistic/romantic and transactions are not in the calculation constantly like it seems to be with women. there is a difference between "ok, I'm attracted enough to him/her and she/he is nice let's see if there is a connection" and "alright, what's their salary, are they going to go bald? will their friedns and family like me, does he have enough friends? what are his habits? will his finances support a family of 3.5 kids later, he is he charismatic enough to be a date at a wedding…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 03:30 PM
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>There is are cultural and environmental components to either gender's selectivity levels. It is very possible that we are not just seeing female biological standards finally freed to express themselves, but that those standards are being inflated by other dynamics past any biological floor. The last sentence really nails the issue. the mechanism of hypergamy will seek higher and higher men, i.e. the floor will rise and rise as a function of the men whom the women percieves she can get based on …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:47 PM
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haha OP, thanks for confirming that relationships for women are are purely TRANSACTIONAL and not a love story of true connection, growth and experiencing life together. Must. Achieve. Enough. Stats. to. be. Worthy. of LOVE. Am I leveled enough up yet to deserve love? am I?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:34 PM
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this is always the correct answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 02:28 PM
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What apps do you use, there have even several videos on women swiping through apps like bumble and hinge and rejecting countless men who seemed put together and normal. I don’t believe this unless you are in some shithole small town or are using tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 12:00 AM
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he's probably "cute". also im NOT saying that invisible means they cant get partners. eventually people do get partners. it just means they are invisible to the vast majority of women. so, someone who is "hot/sexy" will be attractive to let's say...70%+ of women, 30% ish for "cute" and maybe 5% for "invisible" 1 out of 20 ain't horrible
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 07:14 PM
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I mean, most men can't. but at least we tried! there is some solace in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 03:26 PM
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Ive been trying to manifest it every morning by my bones just won't grow!!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 03:25 PM
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my point was that you are making it too complicated. there are only three distinct types that really matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:36 PM
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anyone else is in the purgatory where you have optimized a lot about your physical looks but cannot seem to crack that threshold required to be considered attractive enough for women? Ive found that if you dont have the immutable qualities (such as height, frame, facial structure), it's incredible hard to hit that threshold even if your fashion/body/grooming are great. it's your max potential is maybe increasing your looks by 1.5 points. where a man with the frame/hieght/face can not do his hair…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:11 PM
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there are only three types, and only one type actually arouses the kind of visceral desire that makes a women's loins ache hot/sexy etc - top 2-5% of men. A man with "core" physical characteristics that are arousing. you know it when you see it, both men and women. There is zero debate here. towering height...a solid, wide, frame. good jaw. those pretty/hunter eyes. if a man in this catagory talks to a women and he has normal social skills, it is likely a women will be aroused by this man within…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:08 PM
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there is a difference between self doubt/insecuriy and acknowledging that you are attractive from the get go. a lot of attractive people know they are attractive but dont like certain features/maybe dont think they are attractive ENOUGH.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 07:04 PM
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I like the idea of defining "average" as the distibution of men under the threshold where most women will say "oh, he's cute/hot" - as the common retort is "Well the average man is overweight, doesnt take care of his appaerance" - in reality there is a large proportion of men who do take care of themselves that are still invisible since the threshold for cute/hot is so high. I think it's easy to define, it's any man who does not elicit visceral attraction from women. I Also think it's obvious at…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:23 PM
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Your post is irrelevant because of the if I find him physically attractive disclaimer which immediately eliminates 90-95% of men…..even if they have the qualities above.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 01:40 AM
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spot on. the only caveat to this (and is why I'm 25% red pil per my flair) is if you are an attractive man that is fucking it up by being needy / effeminate etc. than acting indifferent could work since you were displaying behavaiors that turned you from attractive to unnattractive. but you need to be attractive in the first place to even by considered. if you are indifferent but not attractive, you still dont exist to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 09:40 PM
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it mattesr when you only find 5% of the population attractive and then mention something else other than attraction as the reason. imagine if I came to you, as a low wage earner living paycheck to paycheck, sobbing and crying that there are just "no jobs out there, omg I'm going to be HOMELESS" then you find out I have recruiters hitting me up daily and I got 5 job offers last week but I didnt' take them because they all paid less than 150K a year and only had 3 weeks of PTO when I dserve at lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 03:24 PM
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I've had 4 normal relationships, had numerous female freinds and what OP is saying is absolutely 100% true for a lot of women. It's incredibly frsutrating as a man to hear women constantly complain ad nauseum about how the dating sucks, the bar is sooooo low, right to the faces of men that exceed that bar, but don't exceed the "is he attractive/hot enough" bar. and that bar is very high - so high that a women yelling "the bar is so low!" to 100 men are probably addressing 50 men who meet that ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:20 PM
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1: Dark, Dark Purple Pill. Refer to my Flair. Mostly BlackPill to be honest Yes - I was 100% blue through college, then 100% red pill until my late twenties. Finally, mostly black pill with some blue and red elements in my thirties and beyond most people are blue pill early, so I won't get into that. I transformed into red pill because I felt like I wanted hope and for things to be under my control. I did not want to discount that I could overcome limitations with game, status, charisma, etc. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:42 PM
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AND, employers randomly start reaching out to you for advice after they are emotionally distraught from their recent hires failing to perform basic tasks. then when you say "hey, it seems like I'm a good fit after all - what do you think we try this out" then they say "whoa whoa whoa, I thought I'd just ask you for some quick advice, I can always trust you to know how to help when things are tough, but I just don't feel like you are the right cultural fit..I can't explain it..but I'm sure you'll…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:54 PM
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hey man - thanks for commenting on the ancient thread. yeah, I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that it will just be much much harder here to stand out due to all the options. I miss how easy it was in smaller cities/medium sized cities. I also think it has to do with the type of men women are into in chicago. they seem very into the super sporty baseball cap - sports loving guy of italian/greek heritage. I have a buddy of mine here and he just cleans up - he's italian and just throws on a…
/r/seduction09/12/24 12:32 AM
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it sucks that a lot of the hot, exciting, tall men also can't take care of themselves huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 12:28 AM
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Caveat - I lean very looks pill so my comment is based on looks mostly. I do not want to comprimise on who I am (which includes molding my image/looks) to what women want. Sure, I I believe in the core principles of staying in shape, dressing well, walking confidently, grooming - but that is it. so basically, you wont see me walking around with a "sick fade that women love" or "dat drip" or getting superficial enhancements like tattoos or even the mustache trend (women have pointed I should grow…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 11:22 PM
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I was addressing society in general, not you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 01:42 PM
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Maybe have some agency this time and not just think “well you know, that’s just the way everyone does it”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:22 AM
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f'ing nailed it. men are limited by immutable characteristics, where women are limited by things they can change, and the standards are only getting higher and higher for these immutable characteristics. imagine being a shorter guy (5 foot 6) who has optimized his look and has a great body, only to be turned down in favor of a skinny hipster wearing a beanie who doesnt groom, but he has a nice jaw and is TALL. brootal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:01 PM
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mmmm yes like a dancing cherub on a vatican city painting
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 08:45 PM
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your first sentene basically state that the datign market now is basically been reduced completly to men fluanting their feathers to women so women can select the man who flaunts his feathers the best, versus women evaluating men based on how on if/how they will connect as a couple. this is a perverted form of dating and only benefits the shiniest objects, not actual connections that are conducive to a relationships. and btw yes I agree with you that the current market looks like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:47 PM
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agreed. the distinction being that men are starting to realize that the amount of improvment it takes to find an equal is either impossible or just too much effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:05 PM
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no. the goalposts are shifting so much that most men cannot even get a women that is truly their equal, even after self improvement. at that point men just say "fuck it:" and give up. and also for women that are not getting any better. now do you understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:03 PM
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sounds wonderful to know that we have entered an era where men are based on metrics versus long term things like common values, morals, interests, and just general connection. the dating world now can be summed up as "dance motherfucking dance, yeah yeah, you dancing monkey, dance harder dance harder muahaha"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:00 PM
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fixed - the junk food seems so shiny and exciting and "baddd" for you but she just could not help it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:42 AM
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Agree that alot of of these peope would fare way better by sticking their ostrich heads out of the online sand and getting some outside social exposure. however, I do sympathesize with them that it is NOT much different. the same dynamics seem to apply (but to a lesser extend i.e. you get to showcase your personality more), also, a lot of women I know are more oddly comfortable meeting their partner online than through a social group / meeting out - even if they WANT to meet them out, we are so …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:35 AM
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1) A certain number of poeple just are normal reasonable couples that met young / met in groups / and are not trying to get the next best thing. people also age, and at what point these couples may of been more attractive 2) there are also people from religious/conservative/rural backgrounds that care more about shared values etc than the shiny stuff like looks, swag, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:31 AM
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jesus christ you are so out of touch with the actual reality of men. yeah, it MUST be that men are the problem. that MEN aren't good enough. that if a man is struggling it MUST be that he is broke, lazy, and puching above his weight. pure and utter bullshit. there are TONS of men who have money, who have ambition, have drive, interests, take care of themselves that STRUGGLE with attracting women that are even have 50% of what they have. yes, there are probably men delulu men who are neckbeards w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:28 AM
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*5%. You are being too generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 12:39 AM
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You have no f’ing idea what you are talking about. Please go read back on some past PP posts on looks to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 12:38 AM
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no, this guy is actually decent looking. not a "chad", but somewhere between average and chad, probably chadlite.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:07 AM
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It’s myopic often times. Meaning they swipe left on men that they would otherwise be attracted to based on not passing the arbitrary 6 foot filter or having a funny pic or having a bad haircut. You know, all the shit that can be fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 11:29 PM
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I disagree. in the modern dating age, most women filter based on superficial criteria. especially using online dating apps. this is readily apparent when you see women swipe left on men based on looks, or state a guy is not their type (meaning physical type). most men do it too, but women (like you for example) will deny it. sorry if it upsets you, but I need to call a spade a spade. then AFTER the women (or many) says "ok he is attractive enough to consider", then the personality characteristsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 08:13 PM
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I agree. but I do caution a lot of women today are trying to lump in the "nice to haves" with the "dealbreakers". in the end you have to ask yourself "what is actually conducive to a long term partnership", and "am I flirtering out men that would be good long term partners specifically for me due to nice to haves" filtering out 85% of the male population the is below 6 foot when you are a below 6 foot women is a "nice to have". dismissing men because they give you minor "icks" when they have eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 06:24 PM
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doenst change the stats. and that is changing. soon most people wont. due to literally what I mentioned. its another shift to blame men. "oh, what you say is irrelevant since oh look most people are in relationships, which means the problem is YOU muahaha"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 06:06 PM
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Slight tangent - although I think it’s good to have platonic female friends, your friendship is just not going to have the same level of loyalty, vulnerability, and consistency as a good male friendship. Caveat would be if she is actually romantically interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:36 PM
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Eh I think that higher number in relationships is conflated with the following factors: people that met younger and have let themselves go people that have met younger when dating wasn’t as lopsided people you run into from more more rural/religous background where there is quite frankly higher pressure to date for family / religion / common values vs because you really really really find them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:24 PM
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This a “matter of fact” post which I think lays out just the blatant fact that the vast majority of men have NOT been attractive to women, and that a culturally monogamous society “hid” this fact. I think men just need to start accepting the fact that, even with a lot of self improvement, they will still rarely run into a woman that finds them attractive. That doesn’t mean they should not do it, or not try, but just accept that there is no gaurantee and most importantly, not take it personally. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:21 PM
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Reeeeeeeeeeeeee misogynist detected reeeeeeeeee *pulls out bullring and purple hair”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 11:18 PM
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OP, prepare to be crucified on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:43 PM
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brooTal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:28 PM
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along with somehow always flipping the blame back at men, through mental gymnastics. Man: "this sucks, it seems that a lot of women use their male friends for support and give nothing in return, it feels like a one sided relationship, I wish it was more reciprical? Women: **'**WOW, seems like you don't think highly of your female freinds, how would they feel if you said that, maybe you're the asshole" "well, looks like...they aren't your friends then" "sir, you are acting like you are entitetled…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:10 PM
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yeah, well..those men should be at least honest about their intentions. thats on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:16 AM
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I act how I want to act, irrespective of what others think. eventually you find people who align with your energy. fuck trying to appear different "buT whAt if I am sAying is Too TrY harD"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:15 AM
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very interesting point- and sort of validates my post in a way. men being a source of stimulation, a temporary need. the need for something more intimate causes disgust and recoil (not even romantic, but platonic). I think men and women need to accept this, that true male/female friendships are just..incredible rare. and that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:12 AM
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yeah, I see this shit all the time with women. it must be exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:09 AM
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I'm not trying to be empathetic in my post. its neutral, more laying observations out. also, good job diverting the attention away from what you wrote, which my point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:06 AM
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fair points - true, maybe we aren't close a ton yet. maybe it's the beginning stages and that takes more time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:58 AM
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That was a very non-empathetic response.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:45 AM
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thats a very good point. agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:25 AM
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interesting - I value my male friendships and we have been very loyal/etc. sorry about your husband's friends. good pooint on the oribiter dynamic. to make it very clear, I had ZERO romantic intent with these two girls, but perhaps they are so used to the situation you describe that they just are used to it and go with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:21 AM
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lol. so true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:17 AM
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same here, but for groups. not one on one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:16 AM
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there was no flirtation, their intention was that they trust me as a someone to talk to for advice and someone fun and interesting to be around, but there was zero romantic intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:16 AM
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no, not at all. but in order to explain my point I have to speak in terms of an exchange. otherwise it just sounds like wishy washy BS
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:15 AM
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Ive been in the same group with them for about a year - and we have had deep conversations/hung out etc but it is always with a group or to help them with boy problems/life problems. I consider that deep vulnerability akin to wanting to form friendships. however, they dissapear for weeks or don't talk to me, only to re-appear only when they want advice. It's not like we barely talked and im like "omg why havnt they reached out in two weeks"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:13 AM
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eh. I think women do this more than men. that's the point of my post. that being said, I agree. if someone does show loyalty and reciprocation, I'll be their real friend. it just happens this happens way way more with men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:11 AM
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oooook.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:10 AM
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I never expect anything in return. but it makes us feel used when we someone else seeks after us for advice and help constantly but does not provide anything in return, and that person is not some random stranger or a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:09 AM
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no, not at all. in fact, I challenged myself to NOT expect ANYTHING romantic and just genuinely try to help another human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:06 AM
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nailed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:05 AM
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two women who I had recently met through two two sports leagues who are nice, fun, and whom I get along with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:05 AM
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Yeah - this is exactly what I am talking about! It sucks because I would love to have one or two close female friends but I know it’s very rare to find a close female/male friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 01:25 AM
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Great perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:54 AM
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No, I don’t expect anything. But then female friends should not expect continued support if it’s a one way street :) that goes with any relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:11 AM
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meh, online dating has destroyed dating. feminism has allowed women more independence and therefore more choice. if what they do with that choice is to be much much more selective on what men they are attracted too because they have access to more options because of online dating, I guess that is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 04:52 PM
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how hard dating is always starts from a non-equitable outcome context for women - and this is the base problem, it doesnt matter how objectively hard it is because the context is contingent on the outcome the women wants. and if said outcome is very high bar, then it's "hard". therefore, even though a women has 10X options of men, its still "just as hard" becuase the women can't find the right option that SHE wants. it;s like saying you are starving because you can't find the filet mignon.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:42 PM
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I think the issue here is that most women want the dating process to "just happen". and any exerting of effort or intent is not romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:35 PM
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When your facial features and jaw stick out
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 09:58 PM
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a lot of women have high standards for the wrong criteria and low standards for the right criteria. imagine rejecting swaths of men that would be potential great partners based on common values, morals, hobbies, communication, finances, and compatibility because "omG he gAve me the ICk cuz he Wore baD Shoes" or "hiS haiRline is RecedinG a litTLE" or
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 06:08 PM
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bro are you just trolling? women and men are fundemetnally diferent, both mentally and physically. however, barring physical feats and reproduction, most things men can do women can also do effectively. now, the question is if women SHOULD be doing things that MEN usually fair better at, and vice versa. example, on average, most men will be better CEOS for profit driven companies. this is because men typically have more ambition/energy/endurance when driven (e.g. testosterone). While women in ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:14 AM
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what I've understood about women from trying to talk to them / date them in real life / or just befriend them is that they really want none of it. funny how this ONLY applies to women from ages 20-38 - basically the age at which I might be a guy hitting on her.... I used to blame myself - "oh, it's because I don't have game. it's because I dont know how to talk to women. it's because I'm creepy / off putting" then I had the stark realization that women outside this age range ...talked to me. sud…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:07 AM
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correlation not causation. what about high T-men that lost the genetic lottery? short but athletic. ugly but athletic. also, I love how you limited it to these three oddly specific reasons. There is so much more at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 05:39 PM
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in my experience, women only care about your body if you already a face they are into.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 04:08 PM
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f'ing nailed it. the normal guys who just want relationships appear vanilla against the top 5% who have gamed the system to get as much ass as possible. so in order to beat em, you need to join them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 04:08 PM
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Fair enough. but let's remove all these BS double standards around shaming men for refusing to date fat women yet applauding women for rejecting short men. And also, own up to your shitty standards and inconsistencies. you like the 6 foot 2 guy who has a tattoo and m entioned he has a criminal record because it makes you wet and hot and you can't help it. when he mentioned he almost killed someone you touched yourself at night to that thought and had one of the best orgasms youve had? own it and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 08:22 PM
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and those people at the bottom have nothing to lose, rebel, and destroy society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 08:16 PM
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We are fastly going back to caveman days where soft harems existed and only a small % of men reproduced. this is the natural state of things. marriage/monogomy is a construct that breaks that state. now that women and men don't have to get married anymore and it is less culturally accepted, the guardrails have been removed. I agree, it's fundementally broken now. here's a thought experiment I had with myself. women always talk about being "unable to find their equal/find a quality guy" etc. so i…
/r/seduction13/10/24 08:12 PM
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lol I’m not black. Asian minority. Basically the most undesirable kind.
/r/seduction12/10/24 08:39 PM
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Chicago (used to be Austin). Funny story - One of my buddies I got out with a lot will get chatted with/approached and he’s an average looking white guy with a slight beer belly (he’ll say it himself lol). And I’ll go out freshen up - nice crisp shirt, showing off the physique, groomed and he’ll just toss on a cap and t shirt and get decent amount of women gravitating towards him and I’ll just sit there shaking my head laughing. White guys in sports caps are women’s kryptonite here.
/r/seduction12/10/24 07:30 PM
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Where I’m at minorities other than Latinos or African Americans have near zero dating value. Henry Golding (look him up, Malaysian actor) would have the same looks SMV as an average looking 6 foot white guy with a baseball cap
/r/seduction12/10/24 05:15 PM
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great advice if you want to get good at approaching/in real life or if that fits your vibe. I'm horrific (I mean horrific) at meeting women in real life. batting zero the past year after going out 100-200 times, joining 4 different co-ed sports leagues. I genuinely dont think I've ever had a women show me a signal of interest in the past year. Im not most womens' type (I'm a minority with a bad babyface, actually decent looking, but a minority) so it's basicaly me trying to find that 1% of women…
/r/seduction12/10/24 02:22 PM
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I can tell you from personal experience that there isnt some magical moment where having a nice bank account, good credit score, good morals/values, good job/stability is suddenly desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 01:49 PM
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chicago is a very "swag/drip/rizz" city the guys that suceed are the guys that talk and walk lke a hip hop video *drags feet slowly with high look on face, hoodie and jeans* - "sup, just wanna shoot my shot atcha you looking so beautiful, let's go back to ma crib shoot the shit throw some of dat record on no cap we be bussin" *women swoons* vs austin where its like "hey! what are you drinking, my name is X" acting like the latter in chicago will come across as "ew, he's so excited whiteboy energ…
/r/seduction11/10/24 02:52 PM
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Ok, so what is the alternative? Just....Stop chasing and living your life for you? Sure, you'll probably be temporarily more happy. You'll focus more on yourself, your hobbies, your friends, your career. but we are literally hardwired for romantic relatiionships - both for companionship and intimacy. Unless your balls are chopped off, you'll always have this desire. and unfortunately, the "stop chasing and they will come" mantra has been beaten to death - we all know it's false for 90% of men - …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 12:50 AM
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This. The socio-sexual dynamics of modern dating ensure mechanisms of dating inequality are greatly amplified. "the rich get rich, and the poor get poorer" if you take a man, and set all things equal (literally, everything, looks/personality/humor/vibe/etc) and you find out that one man is desired by a women, most women will instinctually be way more attracted to that man than the exact same man who they just learned struggled with dating the past few months, and it's instinctual. so, that said …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:00 PM
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*eh, this shorts are longer than 7 inch in seam, which gives me the ICK*
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 07:57 PM
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Austin to Chicago
/r/seduction07/10/24 02:38 PM
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Austin to Chicago
/r/seduction07/10/24 02:37 PM
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becuase I have great hair and dont want to hide it. honestly I hate wearing ball caps too. but maybe I wil try it just for fun and see what happens.
/r/seduction07/10/24 02:37 PM
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yeah, I could see this.
/r/seduction07/10/24 02:36 PM
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oh you mean the guy in the hoodie alone at the bar that is talking to no one has higher social status than the guy that is well dressed chatting to the bartenders/having a good time/etc. no.
/r/seduction07/10/24 02:35 PM
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lol I wish. I actually get hit on/smiles from women in Portland.
/r/seduction06/10/24 09:03 PM
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Definetely approaching, which is something ive had to do way way more of versus my previous location.
/r/seduction06/10/24 05:31 PM
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Being a good, confident, honest guy will yield much better results than this method. why? you'll filter out the anxious attachment/immature women who dont have the self respect to fall for this and you'll attract the quality woman who are mature and have higher self esteem. I can tell you that a mature quality women will not fall for this breadcrumbing. I do agree with OP that, most women in the US will fall for this method. (yeah yeah yeah come at me)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 02:11 PM
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yeah, a women can get away with an ok face if she has a good physique - the inverse is not true for men. It's a little frustrating - especially seeing your buddies with dad bods or skinny bodies get more attention from women because they have nicer faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:56 PM
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I'd say the inverse - that skull/face and more specifically overall skeletal structure have a HUGE impact on overall attraction. a super baby face without masculine elements on a ripped strong body looks f'ing awkward and will still make a guy unnatractive. there is a asian bodybuilder that is pretty famous that has this look - I feeel bad for him. whereas if you have almost zero muscle, but you havea wide frame and nice skull you can stil be seen as hot, especially in a suit that brings out you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:49 PM
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of which looks is a necessary pilar to hold the whole house up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:43 PM
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The biggest issue is that the physical qualities a man possesses don't equate 1:1 with the same on a woman, so it's hard to make this comparison. Example, I'm ripped. I have a top 1-5% body easily. but I have an average face and avg height. when looking at what I have to offer, I THINK may looksmatch is a very in shape girl with an average face. but, in the DATING MARKET, throw an average girl with killer body (nice butt, legs, flat stomach) in a in a dress and make up and she is a 8-9/10 and WA…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:33 PM
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here is where I think "dating value" has changed for different groups: Top Women: Increased, but not as much as people think. Top women were also valued very highly in history Mid Women: HUGE increase. Average women don't want average anymore. Low Women: Increased, but not as much as people think. online dating helps a bit but men don't want to actually settle with these women. Top Men: HUGE increase. due to apps, social media- top men get the most options, period and have the least consequences…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:05 PM
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this. personally outer game does not work for me, period. I'm too stubborn and principled to act or even do things that are trendy/surface level to increase chances of attracting women. I'm the kind of person that would rather die than create a cool instagram with curated photos showcasing an "interesting" lifestyle just so women would be more attracted to me when they pulled up my instagram. This is because I personally don't like and don't have time for social media. manson all the way for peo…
/r/seduction22/09/24 10:57 PM
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To be fair, Its actually very very rare to be a socially confident, interesting, put together guy that can’t attract woman by enjoying your hobbies and having an active social life (which includes meeting new people). It indicates that you are objectively unattractive and not the type of man women want. Just calling it out like it is. I’ve been there done that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 03:32 PM
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I went in constant cycles. Gave up. Then when I gave up, I found something, but just a taste. Then I tried. Then it disappeared. Then I gave up. Then it came back. Then I tried. Then it disappeared. I finally got so exhausted with it that I just permanently withered away from ever trying again, even when opportunities started presenting themselves. I cannot coexist with being into women and them being into me at the same time. Now I just do my thing and I’m honestly incredibly happy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:26 PM
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Doesn’t matter if you hate it. Free speech is free speech and censorship is an infringement on your soul’s right to breathe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 07:55 PM
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I’m all for free speech and gender safe spaces. The whole locker room talk is an attempt to invade male free speech spaces and control and shame what men say in private. Utterly despicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 07:51 PM
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yeah.that's the game. approaching/chatting with women (basically cold calling) comes with it a 98%+ rejection rate (As it applies to her actually being potentially interested in you).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 01:43 PM
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ding ding ding.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:43 PM
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I'd say you are actually underestimating yourself. I'm incredibly fit, socally confident, 5 foot 10, dress well, make 180k blah blah blah blah. that's easily top 30%. but it doesn't seem that impressive when you consider that the majority of men are overweight in the US. its not enough to elicit passive attraction signals. I'd say you are top 5-10% easily if you are above 6 foot, have a good physique, and 7/10 facially.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:40 PM
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exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:38 PM
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yeah, this is obvious to those of us who have social skills, but not to a lot of men who need to develop them or are just younger and have been to "never bother women". to them the advice is taken as a either/or, not ...just like...chat with people like a normal human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:37 PM
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yes, I think it is bad advice because 1) there are women who DO probably want to be approached, but either don't notice you / don't want to make it obvious and 2) you can go from "neutral" to a women to having her interested if you have the chance to show your personality/confidence in conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:36 PM
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"CHAD" is mostly aptly described a man whom elicits instant visceral arousal from women based on his looks and to some extent his personality, without CHAD having to lift a finger. CHAD merely exists and draws women in. You see his athletic T tight against his naturally larger frame - his five o clock shadow against his sharp jaw. you JUST KNOW. it brings instant tingles to women. by just him standing there. he has to do nothing but exist. Both men and women can instinctually recognize a CHAD - …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:28 PM
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context I'd rather date a girl who has a N-count of 20 who got them from relationships/flings/one or two one night stands than a girl with an N count of 3 where 2 of them were from a MMF threesome in a back alley where she just met the two guys 1 hour earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:31 PM
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This comes down to the simple fact that most women in the modern era can support themselves, have good social connections and a higher level of social/emotional EQ, and typically look objectively more attractive than men since 1) women are the fairier sex (yes trite but true) and 2) they often take good care of themselves in terms of fashion/etc. this means that they can be pickier with the criteria they select men, and often times there is a LARGE proportion of men that would be good romantic o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 12:08 PM
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I've noticed this too. bi women in my life typically have higher physical standards when they date but then lower then significantly when they date women. I know bi women who only hook up / date atheletes / handsome men and find shorter guys/etc not attractive. then they hook up with a overweight short stocky lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:04 PM
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to some extent this makes sense. for example - most of the factures that elicit instinctual arousal or instinctual disgust in women that I have noticed are immutable in men and trying to "cover them up" only marginally works "you can't polish a turd". Example, height, bone structure in face, frame, hair - attempting to mask these via mutable measures like working out, fashion, etc can look awkward or don't change the baseline factors - and women can see through that. this is best illustrated usi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:51 PM
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I always pictured trying to converse with women in at events and having them hold up signs that say”DAZZLE ME, you have 30 secs GO”. Cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:12 PM
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Just in general, not taking advantage being in environments where there were a lot of single women - aka college. I rarely run into single women in a context that it is more acceptable to chat.
/r/seduction27/08/24 11:49 PM
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agreed, but you will also attract non trashy women in their "exploratory/fun" phase. and they will do things with you they will likely never do with the man they evenutally decide to enter a stable long term relationships with. also I was kind of being facetious about thuggmaxxing, although it does work. just get a little edge. you don't have to literally get a felony record lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 09:24 PM
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dating in america has become a weird arms race where you have to use game theory and "winner takes all" mindset in order to get a shot at keeping a woman. example: having sex typically creates bonding in woman. the frist man to get sex with women will have the highest chance of keeping her. most women are talking to multiple men, and you are therefore competing with said men. said men know that. therefore, men will try to get laid as soon as possible as the act of getting laid is a passive proce…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:31 PM
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thugmaxx. get tattoos, get ripped, commit some felonies that harm corporations and not people (smash and grab high end jewelry stores at 3am), instead of saying "hey my name is Xyz" change your language to "sup shawty, you got da drip" ooze that persona, and suddenly both black women and white women will love you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:35 PM
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ha yeah, I have two friends like that. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we probably do so well online, that in person just seems miles harder from a rejection standpoint, whereas to most people there is less of a difference. going from minimal success online to dealing with a lot of rejections but still some success in person (normal to be honest) is going to make real life seem more tolerable than going from a ton of success online to any form of rejections in person.
/r/seduction23/08/24 03:48 PM
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But not only that, cold approaching requires serious skills to get a woman who might not have interested in dating to consider dating you even if she was not really looking for that at the beggining of the interaction I was so frustraed that I would kill it online and just suck in person.I finally realized that this was probably my issue. it was so easy online that I had no reason to build up the "get her hooked without knowing you" in person. honestly, I just went back to online in the end. I h…
/r/seduction23/08/24 02:47 AM
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That’s me 💯 I do WORSE than avg guys in person, but kill it on apps. In person, I get zero iois, every time I talk to a girl it’s obvious she is not interested, and I’ve never taken a girl home or gotten a date in real life. Using apps I can get essentially unlimited matches, and have to always have my apps on snooze mode otherwise I get too many likes. I also sometimes use hook up apps (feeld) and kill it there too. I’ve gotten about 75 lays using apps, most from decently attractive women. I’ve…
/r/seduction23/08/24 02:04 AM
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I’m one of the rare cases where I kill it online and suck in person. I’m not sure why but online seems to work fine so I don’t question it
/r/seduction23/08/24 12:53 AM
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Who gives a shit, if you are passionate about it and or it gives you joy, do it. End of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:28 PM
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nah man. I moved to chicago and I thought it would be way easier given the wealth and diversity of women, as as well as women who were more independent and confident (yes I actually like that). turns out the plethora of options goes the other way and just made the women far far pickier. There are 10X more women vs my old city but the women are 10x pickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 11:19 PM
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this just comes down to unwanted sexual forthcomings. That is a function of whether the women is sexually attracted to you if she isnt and she expresses some form of disgust, then you stop. disgust is your signal. sometimes it is because you were just...awkward about it and sometimes its because you are not hot enough to her. yes, that is the unfortunate truth. sometimes an avg man being direct is viewed as disgusting and a hot guy being direct is viewed positively by the woman. thats unfortunat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 04:29 PM
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Dood I’m the same way. Except worse if you can believe it. Crushing it online and then in real life zero success. And I mean zero. I havnt gotten anything more than a 15 min convo in person. No signals of interest. Women ignoring me. Constant blow outs. Then I hop on bumble/hinge and it’s endless attractive women that I can get date. It’s so fucking weird. I just stick to online.
/r/seduction21/08/24 02:16 AM
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Let me guess..I also need to “shower” and “groom” right
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:48 PM
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anyone have adviceon how to mitigate side profile neotony in men? (looking very young)? frontwards, I look fine. howvever, from my side profiles and back my face/skull has a very "young appearance" - this due to my asian heritage having non-forward protruding features. facial hair doesnt really work since I look like a young person with facial hair (from the side). from the front, I look my age. from the side, I look like 20 years younger. it's a confusing appeerance and I believe a turn off for…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 04:27 PM
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disagreee. men appreciate honesty. one women I dated flat out told me "I think you are a well put together, but you are just simply not my physical type" and I was like "alright, at least I know and can move on" I really appreciated that over "yeah..I just dont like..feeeeeeeel it"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:54 PM
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the mental gymnastics are really self evident in insanely contradicatory statements women who behave like this make: guy who is trying to get to know her and get's frustrated when she friendzones him: "WOW, I thought he had good intentions, he just wants sex, don't treat women like an object, maybe be respecful" guy who is clearly just using her for sex: "well, at least he is HONEST about his intentions"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:52 PM
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It takes two to tango. Most men will never get invitation signals ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:01 PM
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What the hell is up with this weird ass backlash against calling women “females” that ultra leftist feminists hate so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:00 PM
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I think the issue is that cold approaching usually requires some invitation signal OR at least reading the situation if she even wants to be approached. Then it just becomes similar to online dating since women will typically only have a very small % of men attractive in person. I go out plenty of times and women around me typically signal to me and other men clearly “I do NOT want to talk to you” - like 99% of the time. It’s a clear signal like turning their backs to me, moving away etc. I’ve t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 06:53 PM
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I don't totally agree. there are situations, but it really REALLY depends on the local environment. I'm in a huge city, and you do not DARE approach anyone unless it's literally a bar where people mingle or a club. those are literally the only two situations. not the coffee shop not a sports event not a music festival not on the street not even at a regular bar. most people mingle amongst themselves/their groups. you literally have to go to specific bars where it's more the status qou however, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:19 PM
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I mean, not all the time. hot guys can be bothersome to women if they dont want to be approached by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:16 PM
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women in general have more of a collective mindset vs men. that being said, I don't think they are actively trying to hurt men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:13 PM
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The factors that make men more physically attractive are mostly immutable (bone structure, face, frame, height, hair) and some of these factors are dealbreakers (e.g. height, balding) although all men should improve their physical appearance, not all men will "go up a few points" or reach the threshold of attractiveness for women due to these factors. a 6 foot tall obese guy with poor dress and shaggy hair can go literally from ugly to hot to 99% of women if he loses a ton of weight and reveals …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:52 PM
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I don't think most men want "revenge", but I do know that some women will lambast men who are in their 30's dating women in their physical prime (20's) - becuase they CAN now (and could not earlier). We should not be shaming men in their prime who decide to date women in their prime, when those men missed out on prime women earlier while women dated the prime men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:15 PM
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This was me and it was a big issue for the reasons you mentioned. Women 7 years younger than me and up thought I was too young for them. Women younger than that thought I was too old once they found out my age. Then I just rapidly aged and went from babyface to old and skipped the normal age look. Lol.
/r/seduction09/08/24 07:44 PM
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its important to note that for basically all avenues aside from social circle / school / co-ed hobbies (dating apps, facebook, cold approach, bars, nighclubs, coffee chops), the "you are going outside your league" does not apply as the dating dynamics are so skewed. A 5 foot 9 fit guy making 100K with an average face is in the same laegue as a women with the same attributes. however, on a dating app, she is 95% swiping him left.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 02:24 AM
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Can hold a intelligent convo Independent thinker Can support herself financially Not overweight or obese No chronic sexually free past (people have ons but constant ons / threesomes / etc can’t do) That’s about it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:51 PM
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lol this thread can be summed up as “lol HOLD ON TheRe SWeaTy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:07 PM
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And the issue In the modern dating age is that typically only the top 5% of men qualify.
/r/seduction01/08/24 02:18 AM
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For the most part, I agree. the trap of seduction and game is actually developing good social skills but failing to pass the "he is attractive enough for me" test for women and continually blaming your failures on "game". I was not one of the fortunate ones to be born with traits that allow me to pass the threshold for most women (even after improving massively, save for a brief 2 year period where I was attractive - not sure what happened there, but it's passed now). Thus, all my relationships …
/r/seduction31/07/24 09:12 PM
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I beleive this guy - but it requires a very confident/IDGAF personality/vibe and women wiling to be fine with that.
/r/seduction31/07/24 09:04 PM
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This. its just more that the bar is so so much higher if you don't pass the looks threshold. pass the threshold = just be a normal conversationalist, be confident, show value, don't mess it up far below it = level 100 top salesman prolific public speaker level required.
/r/seduction31/07/24 09:03 PM
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teaching how to logistically organize phrases and words to spike certain emotions (and what NOT to say and why) is turning what should be a normal fun conversation with a women into some kind of social experiment where you are analyzing exactly what you say and how you say things to get sexual attraction at some micro level. it's exactly like being a dancy monkey - performing, acting. what happened to just going out, having fun, interacting with men, women,everyone, having a great time, being co…
/r/seduction30/07/24 09:14 PM
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honestly, Im going back to just meeting women online and threw social circles. screw this dancing monkey shit. all so I can "prove myself" to women I don't even truly know and quite frankly I probably wouldn't enjoy my time around anyways. I have a main career that pays high that I love, hobbies I love, plenty of money to do what I want, went I want, and all of this consumes most of my time and energy. if im going to give time away from those items to act like a dancing monkey, fuck it. I have z…
/r/seduction30/07/24 08:56 PM
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is she "giving me chance" or just tolerating me being there? I the difficulty I have with the emphasis on "game" is I have been around female friends out and I Can tell you that for the most part, if they are not attracted to you, no amount of "Game" will change it. Maybe I just hang around shallow women - I don't know. let me provide more context on what I do: I'll go out to my local bar, maybe solo or with a friend. chat up the bartender (if it's a bar I frequent I'll know him). I'll just have…
/r/seduction30/07/24 03:31 AM
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similar experiences to other men responding, but I'd like to add one interesting thing I've noticed: the androgynous/hipster/mustache/lazy vibe type of man seems to be the "in" right now for women in their twenties. I see it all the time around the city - typically it''s a guy with dishevled hair, a loose t shirt, loose shorts, a mustache, maybe some sneakers. slumped body language. conversely, masculinity seems to be out - I see more men who are fit/in shape that are single and less desired by …
/r/seduction30/07/24 03:24 AM
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I feel like the gist of your post was this "if women aren't given you IOIS or are initially receptive its because you are not good looking enough and you need to fix that, or maybe its because you approach and come across as too logical and, but I really don't know exactly what is withouth knowing you, and 95% reject rate is pretty bad btw"
/r/seduction30/07/24 03:19 AM
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its ukraine. women are more receptive to personality. in the us, it's the complete opposite. its about looks, image.
/r/seduction30/07/24 03:15 AM
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Yeah, I don't get IOIS, so that's a moot point. or I did, for a few years, then I started aging more and lost them. the thing is, I'm physically optimized (within reason). aside from plastic surgery, there is really nothing else that I can do. I'm a part time fitness instructer (I'm muscular, 6 pack, 10-12% BF), well groomed, well dressed (have to for my job). willing to show pics to prove it. but, its just not good enough for women that I'm attracted to these days. the "bar" is high now. I'm a …
/r/seduction30/07/24 03:10 AM
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yeah, I think I am leaning too much on initial interest as a pre-requisite yeah, 1 out of 20 are "warm" to me. its not like the rest are cold, but its like talking to a wall...the glare away etc. agreed. although honestly I feel like they are going to mention that it's probably that I'm not good looking enough for the women I'm going after.
/r/seduction30/07/24 03:07 AM
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decent points, although I'm still trying to understand them (your replies are a bit confusing/abstract).
/r/seduction30/07/24 03:04 AM
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this is great advice - but I'm going to push back a little for my specific situation. I know I'm a confident guy and I have no problem talking to people - this comes from years of just working on my shit and building my life up, all my by myself. I don't exactly assume they are "interested", but I do assume that if I meet the right person that I am attracted too, that I'm a "catch" and she should be lucky to have met me versus all the other men that she talks too. i.e I have something unique to …
/r/seduction30/07/24 03:02 AM
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This is healthy mindset in general, and useful if you have "skin in the game" (women are initially somewhat attracted to you). it can AMPLIFY your attraction and prevent you from f'ing up scenarios where she is interested and you fuck it up by saying something stupid or acting needy. however, as we all know times have changed, and in the modern dating age, a higher and higher percentage of men, a large proprtion of them that have improved themselves, still don't make the "is he attractive enough…
/r/seduction30/07/24 02:52 AM
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do you empathize when women complain about men and sex/relationships? society does, but not with men. I think it comes down to a weird instinctual response towards men who strugle with women - like they should not be procreating or something. call me crazy but I can only think of that explanation. yeah, dating isn't fair. life isn't fair. but let's stop intinctually telling men to "suck it up buttercup" while at the same time coddling women when it comes to dating. and also, to be clear, the mes…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 04:38 PM
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In this thread: not ONE women who wholeheartedly agrees with OP. I agree with op, and truly wonder if sometimes women Are COMPLETELY unable or NEVER want to empathsize with men sometimes. It’s like they can act with empathy in every situation but when it comes with men’s struggles in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 12:44 PM
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it's truly remarkable. again, maybe if those women talked more to those men in the group they'd change their mind, and take what women say with a grain of salt. however...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:07 PM
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I think it used to matter aback in the day. now, everyone uses social media/OLD and every women has been "tainted" by what she considers she can obtain, based on the shiny objects online. example, I'm in a co-ed sports group full of around 50-75 people. none of the women seem into any of the "just average/above average" guys in the group, even though they litearlly have the same interest and we often all hang after sports. instead we here them talk about their online dating lives - the high stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 08:17 PM
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Meh, Dating success in the modern age for men is basically combination of having to adopt amoral game theory that the women is unbeknowenst to or "just be hot" It's kind of like, capitilasm in that you have to "play the game" or you lose, based on factors that have little to do witha long term relationship. easy example: You'll need the looks, image, status.charisma to a decently high level even before you can see if a connection is there (you know the shit that matters for a relationship). that…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:24 PM
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I'm going to have to agree with whitey pill over here. face will help you a whole lot as long as you are taller than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:20 PM
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“Omg don’t assume every dog that is baring its teeth and charging at you growling wants to attack you it depends on the dog maybe the dog has autism and is just retarded and doesn’t understand human social cues Jesus”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:00 PM
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those are different things. you can only meet the threshold for one out of 20 women. but if you will eventually find that women (hopefully) that you meets it for you and it's mutual, and then find your partner. it's just much harder nowadays. you have to meet far far more women than in the past for most men (unless you are the top). the rich get richer. and the poor get poorer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 11:58 PM
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top 20% isn't enough to meet the minimum threshold for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 01:42 PM
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GREAT point with the fact that one bad feature can pull you below the "top 20%", despite other features being great. Also the first two (height face) are so important that failure to have either will make the last 4 meaningless. Reasonably symmetrical & attractive face At least average height 5’9+ Low body fat % Reasonable teeth/dental hygiene Confident Financially successful You really have to be in the top 5% before dating becomes relatively simple (you can "live your life" and women will prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 01:00 PM
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if someone told me when I was 25 that my extreme babyface the reason why I was struggling with women I would've lifted and grown facial hair. instead, they all told me that "you are just meeting the wrong women" funny enough, when I got older and packed on muscle/facial hair, suddenly those same women that were "wrong" were suddenly "the right women". funny how that works. Also, I only got to enjoy 2-3 years of being decent looking before age started taking it's toll. I went up a good 2-3 points…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 08:05 PM
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I tend to like women with far more baby-face appearance than usual and actually am not really attracted to women who are purely on the 90%+ hot end of the spectrum. as such, I'm not really attracted to the skinny hotted-up club girl. the sad thing is that the preference doesnt really go the other way for women. It's very very hard to find a women that is into a guy with an extreme babyface, regardless of his other aspects - it's like a limiting factor like being very short / obese / broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:49 PM
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yeah, it's rare. kudos for being honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:28 PM
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ha good luck with that. admitting that would be too much cognitive dissonance. "I basically choose the oppoosite sex based on looks"... does that mean...Im..shalloww??? bu buttt society told me that I'm wonderful..buu tuu buta23[-iafe;lkj *brain short circuits\*
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 08:35 PM
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ehh yeah I suppose social skills can help you overcome lack of physical attraction, but I'd say it's more that mid men are finding the rare women that are into them physically or are into personality A LOT more and having basic social skills, I still stand by my assertion that for most women, you cannot "out social skill" your way from the women not being physically attracted to you and most men are unnatractive to 95% of women, so it's best to just move on and find that women that is at least n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:50 PM
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why does it matter? success with women = be attractive + baseline social skills. if you are relying on "game", then you are not attractive enough. you need to focus on getting attractive (lookswise) first. unless you have autism, you will develop baseline social skills naturally, even if you were sheltered - you just have to overcome anxiety + practice for a little while.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:24 PM
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nah, people date people with red flags all the time. they just ignore them if they are attracted to them. simple as that. don't know why this post or thread deserves multiple paragraphs. arousal/attraction is probably the most powerful feeling/emotion, aside from maybe wrath/anger. it aain't gonna be overcome easy with a few red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:18 PM
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there is already a connection implied in a friendship. what does that leave? - "he's HAWT". the difference between the two is one guy is physically attractive, and the other one isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:17 PM
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I've noticed this too, but often it's a difference of preferences versus a difference of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:05 AM
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nailed it. men: don't be fat women: dont be fat [or bald, or short, or asian, or have a funny nose, or a weird tick, or eww gingers, omg look at the shoes he's wearing the ickkkkkkk"]
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:03 AM
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Yeah, that’s there im at. I do get dates and interest but it’s either from women I’m not attracted too (overweight, mental issues), or it’s only fleeting from women I’m into since they have better options I finally decided to just stop putting effort into it. The juice ain’t worth the squeeze. If there is a woman that I am genuinely into, there is probably less than a 2-3% chance that she would even be attracted enough to get to know me….to see if a connection is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 10:46 PM
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Exact same issue I’m dealing with. Self improvement actually made things WORSE for me since I’m incredibly fit, make 180k a year, blah blah blah, but that’s didn’t change my face, height, or race, all things that are limiting factors that generally exclude me from dating other fit women. The bar was raised for what I want, but my perceived attractiveness by the opposite sex barely went up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 09:44 PM
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in general, these steps will help out most men. however, the extent it helps depends on the base physical qualities you were born with. Take a 6 foot 2 obese guy with poor fashion and poor confidence - put him through a lifting and weight loss strategy. 2 years later he drops to 10% bodyfat, revealing a wide frame lean desirable face under the facial fat. combine that with basic level of confidence (don't need "game") and he will do amazing with women. Take a 5 foot 7 guy obese guy with poor fas…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 03:29 PM
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yup, suddenly all the "personality" thing goes out the window. I kept blaming my lack of success on not having a good enough personality, although I did get some random great success. At first I thought my "game" was lacking, and that is why my success was sporadic. I then realized it was the complete oppposite - my game/personality/confidence with women was actually VERY GOOD, but my looks held most of them back. Ergo, only women who cared more about personality/charm/confidence were into me - …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 03:08 PM
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