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A few things: 1. Way too focused on casual sex as a validation for men. Sex is awesome, so are many other things in life. Don't live your life for sex alone. In addition, generally the sex is better if you know the person at least a little. 2. Too anti-beta bux. Beta Bux make the world go around, are the backbone of society, they raise kids, do the hard work, pay taxes and honestly, many of them are perfectly happy. 3. Overly focused on n-count. You'd be better off marrying someone who has a pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 05:50 PM
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I didn't think Britain has free speech at least in the sense that we understand it on this side of the pond. In any event, many people are losing their jobs here because of what they tweet, say on the radio, etc...free speech protects from government prosecution, not economic consequence. That said, it's out of hand. It's one of the reasons I'll never post anything online outside of a purely anonymous context (and yes,I use Tor, anonymous email accounts when setting up other accounts and the lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 05:32 PM
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I thought James Bond was more "male fantasy" as well except that: 1. My own wife (who is close to my age so Bond is a younger man) booked the tickets and she usually doesn't want to see "action" movies. 2. There were significantly more women than men in the theater, big groups of them were younger women in groups. This as as I pointed off caught me by surprise. I'm in my 50's myself. I have no illusions about the fact that I'm generally invisible to ladies in their 20's outside of a work context…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 04:14 PM
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Yes, though it seemed he was more using her for information and soothing her rather than pursuing for her own sake. In any event, she was far from the leading lady drawing people to the movie...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:03 AM
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Didn't we just have this same topic a few weeks ago? In any event, I just went to opening night of Spectre the other night at my local iPic. I was surprised to find it full of large groups of young attractive women dressed up to see a 47 year old actor playing Bond have sex with women in their 20's in between shooting and blowing things up (while drinking martinis and dressing quite well). Can you name a similar example with a 47 year old actress getting young males to dress up and come watch th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:22 AM
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Makes sense. Thanks for a respectful exchange of opinions and good luck in your choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:53 AM
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Don't get me wrong, if the marriage is a truly unhappy place and people can't stop fighting in front of their kids, Divorce may be the only option. I am not actually against "No Fault" divorce, for example. At the same time, I think people have very unrealistic expectations about marriage or life should be some times and don't always fully understand the consequences of their actions. It's interesting that you like many people here both from blue and the red side seem to have negative views on m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:29 AM
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If strong and independent meant able to take care of themselves, a fully functioning member of society not dependent on others or the government, one who takes responsibility for their own actions, then I'm all for more women being strong and independent. If on the other hand it means she's going to be mouthy bitch who tells everybody else how to live and what to do, likes to expound to the world how she doesn't need a man, but wants to tax them heavily so she can live off of their means, no tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:01 AM
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It's a stretch to call it shaming, that was my point. You are right, no reason a women's magazine should write about men but the challenge is that there really is very little out there beyond the manosphere which talks about what men do go through in a divorce. Men tend to be portrayed as the bad guys in popular media about divorce and this plays over into suburban culture. I also think people do jump to divorce way too quickly these days. If Kids aren't involved, I couldn't care less but if kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:17 AM
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How is questioning your friend on whether she is sure the same as "Divorce Shaming"? I compare this to the complete social ostracization that almost any male in my wife's and my shared social circle has gone through when they have divorced and it seems like they missing what true divorce shaming is. Of course, no one at any of these magazines ever writes about what men go through because that's not who buys their crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 12:53 AM
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Perhaps it's a better example, but everybody knows the quarterback gets the girls. Reality is that genetics plays a fairly big part in whether one will be able to play D1 football just as it also does whether you'll be able to be a rock star level Software Engineer at a top tier company or whether you will be able to naturally attract women. If you are lacking the genetics, you have to compensate in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 06:04 AM
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Maybe because I got rich and old in the software industry hiring lots of engineers along the way...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 05:59 AM
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You can't have a relationship if you can't get someone interested in you in the first place. I'll be the first to agree with you that trp is not a great place to go for advice in "lasting relationships", that's not their focus. No doubt a D1 quarterback works hard but so does the average engineering student. Guess which one doesn't have to do anything additional to get attention from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 12:00 AM
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Those include disciplines like HR which are almost 100% female. None of these companies has anywhere near that percent of actual engineers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 11:44 PM
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I've been in tech for over 25 years, in both start-ups and large software companies. When I first started there were almost zero female programmers around me, now it's up to around 15%. As an employer, I try to hard to recruit them...there just aren't that may to choose from. Why do we want them? Multiple reasons exist for it. 1. They make the work place a little bit more fun. Don't know about you, but 25 years in a pure sausage factory can get old. 2. The best ones are awesome to work with, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 11:39 PM
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While I don't agree 100% with trp, I think by definition young "losers" are failing already, that's why they are turning to the red pill (those that don't just give up, stay in the basement and play video games all day) . It may not help 100% of them, but I don't think it's to blame for additional failure. As to who you should ask...should you ask the 6'4" college quarterback about how to stop being a loser? He probably didn't have to do much to get there, he was born with the right tools. OTOH,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 11:23 PM
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Perhaps you should look up the definition of the world first. Respect isn't the same as showing them kindness or courtesy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 11:12 PM
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There is real sexism in the sense that there those who would discriminate against someone just because of their gender in a situation where gender isn't a factor...for example employment in a job that doesn't require specific physical requirements. Unfortunately, modern political correctness likes to expand the definitions of sexism, racism, etc...to a point of ridiculousness that diminishes the real cases. edit: spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:56 PM
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I think that modern culture has created a situation where both men and women get contradictory views from the media, other men and other women. It's not restricted to men sending these signals to women or the other way around. Say what you want about the restrictive views of the previous generations but at least expectations were somewhat clear: 1) Men were supposed to be masculine, get a job and get married, support their wives. 2) Women were supposed to be feminine, get married, have kids. Now…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:49 PM
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If you go through life worried about the worst possible thing that could happen in any given circumstance, you'll live a very stressful and/or lonely life. Would you for example assume that every person you meet could be "Schrodinger's Serial Killer" and you won't find the outcome till they have either killed you or not killed you? Serial Killers, False rape accusers, even rapists aren't really that common. I think you can basically just weed out those with major red flags and not worry about ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:32 PM
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There is an old song that goes "You have to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative and don't mess with mr. in between". I think there is some truth to it in the since that there are some traits will take you out of the conversation completely (being obese for example) but having a major strength can put you up there without being great across the board (think Ed Sheeran or Billy Joel, neither is classically attractive, but are great singer/songwriters from their respective eras).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:26 PM
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Respect is something earned. Many women have earned my respect as have many men. By default you don't get it just by being a woman or a man though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:18 PM
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False premise. Alpha's do marry. When I was 20 I said I would never marry as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 01:55 AM
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Power is about way more than just sex. Sex can be used to get power and power can be used to get sex, but to believe that sex is just about power is taking it too far. As to the quote,In Oscar Wilde's time, sex was the most powerful tool at any women's disposal, but nowadays there are a lot of tools at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 01:48 AM
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Large scale public discussions of any sort are a relatively new concept. Before the internet, most ideas where broadcast by the few to the many or discussed by small groups of people. OTOH, men discussing the nature of women has been going for a very long time in small groups and mens hangout spaces. Many men would say things privately they would never say out in the open. I actually think modern political correctness and much of the entire SJW thing is brought about by the mass discussion effec…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:09 PM
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I think that alpha men are generally bigger risk takers. You could argue that is less rational, but at the same time, If they have had more success and fewer failures, then it's possibly they just don't perceive the same level of risk that a beta would in the same situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 03:40 AM
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I'll be honest and say that I actually do think anyone under age 16 in a gym should be in a class or with an adult trainer. I started my lifting in school as part of our football program many years ago and we had trainers to work with us, teach us to breath properly, proper technique, etc. I also agree that kids under that age should also participate in some team sports that help with agility and coordination as well as male camaraderie, learning to work with a team, etc... I don't quite read th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 03:50 PM
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I'm not a pure redpill, but while I enjoyed taking psych classes in college many years ago for a very easy A, I have never considered it a real science. Most of these guys are just making shit up with no proof behind it. Same with all of the other "soft sciences". These are places where the people who couldn't handle the math or cut it in engineering end up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 03:26 PM
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This is why we are heading towards Idiocracy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 02:26 PM
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In addition to all of the positive things that have been said about them (great with kids, social skills, etc.), I'll add one very important one that I doubt will get much agreement, but I seriously think they make men better people. I like my own boys better when they are dating someone, they are much easier to get along with, more responsible and better humans. This is also generally true for most of my employees and business partners. Single men can be very shallow, self-centered and lazy. Ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 02:22 PM
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Hollywood is there to make money, so yes, they make moves for the purpose of making money based on what they perceive most people want to hear. The challenge is that that the people who make them tend to be relatively liberal folks who live in the west coast and spend all of their time around other people with similar interests, so their perceptions are somewhat sku'd around politically correct views (of which feminism is one).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 03:35 PM
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The thing that has always bugged me about it is that I don't really associate the classic pre trp meanings of beta with bux. In my life experience, the true alpha personalities are getting the bux and the fux. The beta's may work for us and be useful but are not pulling in the big money. All of the 10's (and most of the 9's) I have ever known are with guys that have money, looks and social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:15 AM
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I would say that to get to 8 and over you need to have natural looks at some level and you probably will never be attracted to trp as you are doing fine on your own. There may be a few guys out there with extremely shy personalities or who have great genes but are overweight with a bad hair cut and horrible hygiene perhaps, but my guess is that's not the normal set of people who come to TRP in the first place. Note that all of these picture based schemes leave out height (which can hamper many g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:06 AM
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It's the internet, people regularly say hateful stuff they wouldn't say in person. They pick on short guys, asian/indian guys, nerdy guys with beards, fat people and unfortunately, black women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 03:27 PM
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I don't think these 2 people should have kids together. Too many issues to bring kids into the equation, period. Once you have kids you are committing to a co-parent relationship with your partner no matter what happens to the marriage. A lot of relationships fall apart after a miscarriage. It's happen to several couples I know over the years. Losing a kid at any age can also have this effect. Sometimes women blame themselves or their partner or just believe they are unworthy. His reaction to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 05:40 AM
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First off, I don't really think the issue whether the girl is white or blonde, but more a factor of how they are raised. If a girl is raised with a doting dad in the American upper middle class to believe that she is a princess, it doesn't matter if she is black, white, Jewish, Asian or anything else, she's going to have very difficult expectations to meet. My younger son went to a somewhat exclusive private school, the girls that went there had extremely high expectations no matter what their r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 05:29 AM
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I don't think you and I think of entitlement the same way. When I think of entitlement, I generally follow the definition in that it's the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment. Negotiating one's salary based on what your value is or trying to find the best partner you can find doesn't make you entitled, it's just trying to get the maximum value for your efforts. Your classroom example is possibly a better one, although having seen the way boys are treated in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/15 05:16 AM
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If you are guy who is classically attractive, in good physical shape and from at least a middle class plus background, college will be the easiest times of your life to get laid. Join a good fraternity, go to parties, score. It's that simple. if you are a nerd or geek type in engineering who studies hard through college, didn't have any success in high school with women, are reasonably normal looking, etc. You come out of school, get a great job (big 4 software companies offer 100k plus right ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 06:03 PM
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didn't say 30+, that's all ages. I said 30'ish (title is as they "enter their 30's"). You don't have to look to hard for sources, 95% of all baldness is Male Pattern Baldness, which a quick look at wikipedia or any other source will tell you only affects about 1 in 4 at age 30, which is far from "most".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 04:53 PM
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I have zero personal experience with online dating as it didn't exist in my dating days. It does seem that 100% of my divorced friends have used it across the 40's and 50's age range and 100% of them had success getting dates and even have kicked off medium term relationships using it. Is this something where it's more effective for older divorced people than younger guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 04:20 PM
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I think some people have very sku'd view of 30 year old men. Most men in that age range are not balding (although a very sad few do), most of us don't start that till mid to late 40's (I'm in my 50's and using all the science I can to fight that battle)... Most men in that range who are fat were either always fat or married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 04:16 PM
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Yes, it appears I am guilty of projection based on my perception here as well. Everybody perceives things differently, doesn't mean they are lying or hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 11:04 PM
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It depends on the issue. She'll spend 10 hours trying to save a little money on airfare and then book the most expensive hotel in town or look at houses that would break even my bank. I am in a place in that time is money to me and spending a lot of time trying to save a few dollars just doesn't make sense. On the other hand, I am very careful about big purchases. As long as she doesn't try to tie up my time as well, though, it's fine...and I don't really care if she splurges on clothes or the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 10:30 PM
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It's not an intentional lie, just a difference in perception. We all perceive in relationships for example, that we are working harder than our spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 10:22 PM
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Everything in the paragraph you stated just seemed like her opinion which is based to some extent on what we all observe. I don't disagree with anything she said in that paragraph, it doesn't mean I hate men. The truth may hurt, but it shouldn't make someone automatically be considered a racist, sexist, misandrist, misogynist when they utter it. That's SJW talk, don't fall for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 10:01 PM
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I'll sorta agree with you, but to be honest, I've never liked the term "slut" even though i agree with rp on some other things. In my era, slut was usually defined by other women and it meant "Someone I don't want my boyfriend/husband (or potential bf/husbands) around because I think she is giving sex away too easily" or possibly just someone I don't like. It was also often a "class thing". A rich sorority girl could get away with sleeping around, but anyone from a lower middle class or below ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 09:49 PM
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I think I mentioned a lot of this in another post, but having been married for over 2.5 decades and living in a community property state, I guess everything we own is "shared property". A few quick background elements: 1. I work anywhere from 40 to 80 hours in a given week, depending on whether I am in town, out of town, on call, etc. 2. My wife was a stay at home Mom for the last 24 years. She worked before that. Our last kid just went off to college, she's still at "home" (though realistically…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 09:00 PM
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How sad for you as you will one day be one of them. Sex continues to be great for older people, especially with a little modern medicine. Many of them have plenty of sexual options.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 01:53 AM
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I'll say I've been looking forward to the empty nest stage for a while and it's been a great new phase with far improved sex frequency, fewer reasons to argue and generally less daily stress (I have 2 boys and both were particularly good at "spoiling the nest" to make it easier for parents to want to be rid of them). the only downside is making sure my wife who has been a STAHM for 24 of those years of marriage (her choice, I'd have supported her either way) as enough to keep her busy and not to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 04:00 PM
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I am in year 27 of my marriage, we married in our mid twenties. I'd love to tell you that there are some grand secrets to making it work, but in reality, the main reason I am still married is that well, I committed and I don't go back on commitments and it appears that the same is true for my wife...(I'd add that I've become very successful financially and her life as a STAHM of kids off at college is now fairly sweet). It's been great at times, rough at times, I'd say the balance in the power h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 02:58 AM
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I wouldn't blame TRP specifically, I think the internet in general and specifically various mechanisms which allow people to get trolled, judge their attractiveness, tell them how they are broken if not getting enough sex, broken if they aren't sufficiently politically correct, see other peoples lives at their best (facebook, instagram, etc.) and compare those to whatever bad thing they are feeling right now, etc. All of these things will potentially cause harm to those with psychological issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 04:54 AM
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Of course we would trade away our wealth to be young again, but not for the reasons you are stating. We would do it because at this age, it's time left that you value the most and that would give you a chance to do it all over again. I have no doubt that if I could return back to my youth knowing what I know now , I'd not only have done even better with women (I did quite well), but would also accumulate even more wealth power and social status along the way than I have so far (which has benefit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 03:31 PM
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I would be surprised if anyone in Greece liked her. That said, she didn't create Greece's problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 03:45 PM
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Of course! The whole point of RP is that they are attempting to emulate jocks. I think it's one of many objections some women have with them is that they might be fooled by a fake alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 03:15 PM
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Let's back up a minute and think about this and apply logic. We all know that there many physical differences between men and women, including major differences in muscle mass, organs, tendencies towards certain metabolic conditions, hormones, etc. Logic would dictate that the brain being an organ and one that is influenced by hormones present during development , that men and women's brains would likely have some differences without necessarily making one better than the other. Why is this so h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 04:05 AM
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It's true, it's get harder to learn new things, gain muscle or maintain your weight (without hormone assistance). At the same time, you tend to often accumulate wealth, power, social status as well as the all important confidence, attitude and ability to NGAF about what others think, so it works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 03:45 AM
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I've seen quite a few happy couples of all ages who are 2s, 3s, 4s with similarly unattractive people. They are holding hands, smiling and laughing with each other and seem happy. Granted, they were all fairly intelligent and had other things going for them, but they seemed to be happy. I think most people in the "foreveralone" category have problems that far bigger than just attractiveness issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 03:40 AM
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I don't think anybody who dislikes TRP is worried about the way that they treat other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 03:27 AM
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I think this is a very North American observation. The US has a very strong culture of rugged individualism that tends mean that our perception of "manliness" tends against socialism. Che, Vlad, Trotsky and the like all came from a different place and different time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/15 09:18 PM
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My own view is that types of girls that show up on reddit in general and in particular discussion forums are not the same girls that either TRP are shooting for or that Chad is hitting on, I am guessing that many of you are the nerdettes, the booky types, possibly the gamer grrls, etc...not the ones hitting the frat parties, clubs, etc. Most of us carry the biases of the world we live in and the perception that everybody is like the people we see around us everyday. I live a bubble made of mostl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 08:53 PM
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I'm purple rather than red, but I've also had many years to violate all of these and have never violated a single one (other than perhaps including the term AWALT on discussions in this sub, never used IRL) , nor have even considered it. Makes me wonder about the people in TBP that this is the way their minds work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:31 PM
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I generally like all of these suggestions but this one concerns me a little: And finally, posts that address an issue that has been beaten to death here, and offer no new perspective, arguments, content, a connection to a current event, and so on will be removed. It's a bit subjective whether a new perspective is offered. It seems to cater to the long term people, the sub needs new lifeblood and new subs to be fresh and these folks will want to offer their own perspective on things that are "cor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:23 PM
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I've been been hiring engineers for over 25 years. I've had some great female engineers during that time, but hiring them is really hard because there are so few resumes from women to pick from in the first place. When I go to a college for a screen, I'll get maybe 1-2 women and 20-30 guys. Of the women I do end up seeing, the vast majority come from countries that you might say have "less" equality. I've never interviewed any Scandinavian, French or English women, only a few American's or Canad…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 05:52 AM
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Well, to be fair, they still are in much of the 3rd world. Unfortunately, western feminist spend too much of their time focused on their own privileged lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 05:10 AM
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I found trp because there was a thread on askreddit saying it was the worst place on reddit. Being curious, I just had to look. When I initially visited and read the sidebars, I was intrigued because I found myself agreeing with much of it as it confirmed my own experiences, so I subscribed for a time on the account I was using then. Unfortunately, most of the regular content is just anger phasers and field reports as well as some stuff that is sorta over the top. Occasionally, there was a reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 05:01 AM
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Why do you feel the need for the term "Feminist" if it's truly equal treatment? Wouldn't still imply that only the "Female" needs equal treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 01:21 AM
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One of the many reasons I am purple rather than red is that I really don't care for virgins or sexually repressed types. I grew up in the south when there were too many of those around. I'll take the higher count every time assuming it's not damaged goods (meaning the out of control trailer trash type or the like).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 01:17 AM
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I don't like either term. I am not particularly pc, but name calling is generally rude, and I do believe people should treat each other with respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 01:12 AM
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Male, married over 25 years, same spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 02:38 PM
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After many years, divorce is far worse. You lose way too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 03:46 AM
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Personally, I am a guy who has been having sex for over 35 years, so clearly I don't remember every time. I do remember the first time (sorta) and the last time, because well, that's the way memories often work. I have on occasion tried to count the number of different people and since many of them were long ago, the full count is a bit fuzzy. I don't really hold it all that special personally anymore but I probably did when I was young. I don't fault others for thinking it's special or not spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 01:03 AM
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When I was young, I put it on a pedestal up until the point that I was married and getting nightly sex. At that point, i started focusing on other things and eventually became very successful and get most of my life's satisfactions out of other things. I still enjoy it and crave it at times, but it's not the focus of my life. That said, I remember was it was like and totally understand where these guys are coming from, even though i think there is way to much focus here on what in the long term …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:40 PM
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Maybe 30 minutes every 3 days. If I don't forget it. Lol, youth. Takes way more than that over 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:37 PM
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I think social status is a huge part of it. What makes it confusing is that when you are high school or college age, looks is by far the biggest factor in social status (along with things like athletic ability, in a band, in the right fraternity). When you get older, other things come into play (like money or position power which is mostly irrelevant in those earlier settings).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:33 PM
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Of course...don't want men to feminine or women to be masculine, those are obvious, but I do think there are some grey areas where women want men to do certain things in a relationship that are more "blue" and will view these as relationship attractors, but in the end may not increase the guys sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:30 PM
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My first knowledge of Tinder was when my older son was a freshman at college and he told me that his entire dating life was being limited by the fact that he didn't have a phone that could run Tinder. Of course, 10 minutes of internet investigations told me me it was a hookup app more than a dating app (and yes, I eventually let him get the android phone).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:26 PM
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Ok, help me out as old dude who's time for this sort of thing were long before tinder and internet dating. Are there actually some women out there who think that Tinder is for dating and not just hooking up?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:13 PM
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Another way to say that might be that these traits in males might make you great relationship material as well, but could act to reduce the amount of sex you get in that relationship unless very balanced and for many men, sex is one of the key goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:09 PM
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I think the real question here is: how many chromosomes of which type does it take to scare cows?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 09:03 PM
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My initial thought was that he was trying to point out the contradiction in our current culture that we both: Treat sex as "No big thing", counts are irrelevant, there is no such thing as a slut. Treat sex as a highly valued specialized intimate thing that women control and get to use however they want but men are considered creepy if they want it (unless highly attractive). It's so special it can't be negotiated, transacted, etc. It doesn't appear that in the follow ups, he actually tried to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:50 PM
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I do understand exactly what you are saying, you believe that the act of being intimate is very special. The flip side of that would be that men hold that the act of a woman being intimate is very special as well, because that is the way our culture in action seems to hold it. As long as it that is the case, why wouldn't a man want to hold out for someone who chose that "special" act just for them or at least held the count down to indicate the value. As to your question, in the US at least (out…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:38 PM
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Do you see why this feels like a mixed message, right? Constantly you hear sex is nothing special, count means nothing but "My first time is very special to me" and "You can't negotiate attraction", "Sex is not transactional"...and all sorts of other messages which point to the fact that women believe sex is way more important than the vast majority of other things in our life that are transactional and can be negotiated. I can negotiate with someone to come clean all my toilets or even fix them…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:24 PM
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You know whenever I see this title in the list, I can't help but think of what we used to say about Montana...."Montana, where the Men are Men and the sheep are scared".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:52 AM
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Not sure it's only SMV or that many red pill types would disagree with you, but I certainly believe in assortative mating. People tend to marry with social class, education levels and somewhat close in IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:44 AM
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My own history and experience has made me very skeptical of most studies unless I have reviewed the methodology and analysis in detail. I'd add to that, there are generally conflicting studies on every subject you find that people care about and people tend to "find" the one that matches their existing bias. However, I did read through it quickly. An interesting quote: Despite the fact that men and women consistently exhibit sex differences when rating the appeal of physical attractiveness and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 02:26 AM
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I asked the question of you, not what 46 page study can you link to prove your point. What do you believe? Do you really believe that women don't take earnings potential into account at some phases in their life? Do you believe they tend to marry equal or up in things like education status and income or income potential?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:28 AM
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Do you believe women take into account a man's job or money making capacity into account when pursuing LTR's at all? Do you believe men do? If you answered yes to either, Do you believe women take it more into account than men do?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:28 PM
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Do people have a dualistic approach to mating? Maybe, depends on how you look at it. To me there may be a simpler explanation. Women want to optimize their own internal needs and wants with social status. What constitutes social status changes over time. In high school and college it's mostly based on looks and things like whether you are on the football team, belong to a top frat, are a musician or the like. This actually tends to sync with their own wants/needs in many cases, making it seem li…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 09:58 PM
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I think it's less about feminists and more about people who look down on other people's choices that are different from their own as a way of validating their own choices. My wife is a STAHM of 23 + years who views herself as a feminist when it suits her, but I have caught her looking down on mom's that go right back to work after having a baby or the ones who drop the kids off at school in the morning, but never volunteer or participate in any school efforts. It's a form of rationalization to v…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:39 PM
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Great movie, one of my favorites, but it's still a Hollywood portrayal. I was in a mid size town in the south, that movie took place in California. I think it's what all of us thought California would be like at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:32 PM
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I am not actually trying to argue for or against TRP. One thing I think that is a problem for both sides is that they have a very limited view of how short a time the high school/college era really is in the overall spectrum of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:30 PM
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I read this all of the time on Reddit. It's an extremely naive position. If you are married for years, have kids together, a house , pets, have built up deep relationships with each others families, will generally have only friends that are part of your wife's social circle (which in my bubble world almost always means the man is the outcast, no matter who initiated the divorce or cheated.) The time and money commitment for a divorce is huge, it effects your job and in the end, you lose your cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 08:05 AM
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Can you name some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 07:43 AM
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I am not sure more than 20% were ever getting laid in high school at least in the middle class and up. In college, it was much higher. Way more of both the girls and guys are way more obese now as well or alternatively just physically unfit. The pot is more potent and college age people don't "hide" it the way we used to, so guys are spending more time stoned. Porn is readily available to everyone, so they aren't trying as hard and they still spend way too much time playing video games...I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 07:41 AM
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I hear you and I keep hearing people say this but honestly, I graduated from high school in the early 80's and had easily 7-8 partners before I left high school and numbers in the high 30's by the end of my freshman year. Both of my kids had a lot of advantages (more money, taller, similar looks, nicer cars) and graduated high school still virgins and probably only had a few partners their freshman year. I was probably slightly less picky than them (you had to be in those days, many more of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:58 AM
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Good point. My wife is a full grade helicopter parent..I tried to teach my kids responsibility, but as she was the STAHM and I work full time, I fear her influence was the stronger one and being well off, I've been too generous. My oldest is 24 and despite being a very high IQ kid who did very well in high school, he is still living off of me, on his 4th major, sitting around smoking pot and going to clubs/festivals. My parents like to bash the heck out of millennials, and although I have some g…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:42 AM
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Homo Economicus doesn't say anything about "all" people, it's basically just says that generally investors as a whole will act rationally and you can use that to predict general behaviors, sorta like AWALT. Associative mating is a thing, people tend to end up as whole marrying people very similar in education, class, IQ and smv. That seems rational rather than emotional when taken as a group rather than on an individual basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 05:20 PM
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Well, we used to have a solid strategy that generally worked for thousands of years which was designed to solve this very problem: Men gave commitment, protection and provided while the women took care of the mans sexual needs as well as taking care of the home and raising kids. Some people still ascribe to this, but in general, we seem to believe in western society that this model is too restrictive and no longer meets women's needs. I think it will require a lot more work by couples to find a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 05:13 PM
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Seems like this topic comes up once a week with almost everyone here bashing marriage and believing it has no real purpose. I find that a bit strange considering that in the US, there was a very hard fought battle recently won to gain marriage rights for gay folks...do you imagine they fought so hard merely for symbolic reasons? Marriage in the US (I can't speak for other countries, I don't know their laws well enough) provides a legal framework that helps with the following (and these are just …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 10:32 PM
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it swings both ways. Both sides of every issue accuse the other side of hypocrisy. I would argue that in the case of feminism, there are a lot more targets because it's been around longer and are just a heck of a lot of them. You don't really have to resort to twitter or tumblr to find some fairly awful examples, you can just find Dworkin or any other academic radfem. There are no equivalents in RP as it just hasn't been around long enough nor does it have any hold in academia.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 10:22 PM
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Equal Rights under the law is a very valuable concept and should be something we get behind. Equal Opportunity and Equal Outcome are both non-viable at some level (not specific to gender, but to all different attributes of people), although you could argue that equal opportunity to specific things like an education under the law are part of "Equal Rights".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 10:18 PM
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I think they need to have some sons and daughters, raise them to teenager and then see if they still feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 04:44 PM
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Homo Economicus is not a myth, he's a useful tool in predicting what large groups of people will do. The principal can apply to predicting other types of behaviors as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 04:36 PM
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At the risk of circle-jerking, this was my exact response when I saw the top 2 replies on the thread. Someone posts about how to keep a man and women effectively immediately say "to heck with that, it's about what the man can do for me". It's very telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 04:30 PM
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I think that is certainly a factor, as are some of the others: makeup, hairstyle and a little body fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 04:21 PM
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Brigham Young? That many Mormons be swiping?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 03:23 PM
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I'm in my 50's...I am not sure how true it is at 30, but over 50 it's very true. A lot of the women who train very heavily (cyclists, marathon runners, triathletes) and keep very skinny do look much older than the ones who carry a little bit extra (not a lot, just a bit). Part of it is also hair style as many of these same women tend to wear shorter hair.. In addition, they are often a bit more "granola" than the more attractive ones. There is a very happy medium though. You can work out, be act…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 03:14 PM
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First off these seem to be a very regional thing and in general you should dress like others at the restaurant even if there is no hard and fast code. On the west coast, such restaurants are very rare but are more common on the east coast. They also have both unwritten and declared dress codes for women and I for one have no problem with women wearing different clothes than men. Clothes should be made to look good on you and I don't look good in most women's clothes :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 04:21 AM
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Would it be ok to call you an outright heightist?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 04:10 AM
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Good post, it's much easier to have a discussion with people if you recognize that they aren't idiots and must have some valid reason to feel they way they do even if it's lack of data or just the bias of the environment that they are in. Strangely enough the reason I lurked on this sub for a long time and eventually posted here is because it is one of the few places on Reddit that's not a complete circlejerk or drama shitstorm. I have tried some of the 'debate' forums and they tend to be either…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 06:34 PM
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I see...can you show examples of a mainstream feminist organization taking positions against either of these ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 03:27 PM
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At least in the US, I think the primary education system is a big part of the problem in the first place. The vast majority of the teachers are women, mostly young and liberal. They treat everything boys do as wrong and are quick to suggest that they be medicated if "active". They take away the things boys like to do ("too violent or dangerous") and promote books that are girl friendly to the expense of books that young boys will actually find interesting and therefore want to read. I am not opt…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 03:23 PM
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I see. Who gets to determine what's realistic for you other than you? I see no harm in trying to self improve in every aspect of your life while you are young and believing in yourself. I'd succeeded personally far beyond what many of the teachers and adults thought I would 30-40 years ago. If I didn't believe in myself and my own abilities, I'd not have had any of the success that I have had. I think you will find lots of people with similar stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 12:33 AM
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I'd say there are two things to consider in this case: 1) Are they really interested in an LTR vs. just manipulating you into believing they are? (We men have been known to do that). 2) There may be something wrong with them that's less visible at first that reduces their "real" SMV after you get to know them. (For example, their social status may be actually lower than you initially perceived it to be)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 11:54 PM
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To the extent that money is part of social status (which it is in many cases), it factors into SMV, but it's not the only factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 11:51 PM
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Are you against people trying to better themselves financially or socially as well? Are you saying the masses should be happy with what they are and stay in there places rather than pursue the "American Dream" and try to become more well off than their parents? How about education wise? Should people except their lot in life there as well? if you come from a family of uneducated immigrants should not try and go to college? What about those that take big risks and become entrepreneurs? Are they o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 11:48 PM
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I see. Do you not think it's possible that both sexes over rate their own league, that in general many people do?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 11:37 PM
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Out of curiosity, you do realize that by selecting men 6'+ you are automatically picking men who rank at the 85 percentile for age 20 in height (which is the point that most men have stopped getting taller)? Add to that your other requirements and I would argue that have already put yourself into the 10% or even lower crowd...proving the AWALT concept of women are only attracted to the top 20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 11:27 PM
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I would say that for a woman's SMV, it's the highest SMV guy you can get a real LTR from and that's the closet measure you'll ever really find. Men value commitment the way women value sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 11:04 PM
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The same reason TRP people should engage in debating Bluepill women. What's the point of debating with anyone ever? Most people are pretty set in their ways. When you do so on reddit or anywhere in public, it's not really the person who's views are diametrically opposed to you that you are convincing, but both sides do have an opportunity to sway those who sit in the middle over time. Of course, I am biased because if all of the bluepill women left this sub, it would just be a circle jerk and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 10:45 PM
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A lot depends on your lifestyle, genes and whether are not you choose to have kids and if you do have them, how well you repair the damage done. My wife at age 52 looks way better than most of the mid 30 soccer moms carrying post pregnancy weight, wearing little to no makeup and those perpetual "Mom" faces. 26 is still very young though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 04:47 PM
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Exactly. I will go to a party next weekend where I will see 4-5 such couples. Granted, I live in a superzip (or bubble as my kids like to call it) ,but still I see this all of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 04:40 PM
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I read this particular article and it says very little about trophy wives. Does the study say more? Note as someone who has a lot of friends with Trophy Wives, they are not a first wife thing, they are second or third wife thing. First wives tend to be very associative, you probably met them in college or perhaps at work, you had similar friends, social status, looks and IQ. Trophy wives are after your divorce when you are over 40 and rich (and rich is not just upper middle class, you really nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 04:35 PM
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You really think this is only a redpill concept. How many blue pill women would love to sign up for an ltr with a man who is mentally ill? How about those with no pills? Heck there is a least one regular Blue Pill poster who comes up daily to try and declare red pill men as having a mental illness and therefore being unfit. I'm guessing it's on a lot of peoples checklist no matter what pill or belief system (with the possible exception of the young ladies into Charles Manson).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 02:54 AM
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I grew up in the south a long time ago. The biggest "sluts" I knew back then were preachers daughters with Baptist's having a big edge on the rest. There is a lot of hypocrisy in those circles, with the same people doing the slut shaming being some of the ones who were sleeping around the most. My mom had a real habit at trying to steer me towards girls she thought were "good" girls that turned out be some of the easiest at a time when things on the surface were much different than now.. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 02:48 AM
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It's funny. My wife always hated the Titanic. She laughed and said any woman with a brain would go with the dude with a lifeboat and a gun over the loser who is going to freeze to death. She also thinks Decaprio looked like skinny teenage wimp. She did like the "Notebook" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 01:24 AM
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Women have been shit testing for thousands of years. I don't think a reddit sub read by a very relatively small corner of the internet is going to have any impact on their skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 01:19 AM
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Whether or not it generates sexual attraction, it can certainly generate sex and the illusion of sexual attraction. At my age, I am perfectly happy with that...I'm not going to get much better looking with age, but I will continue to get more interesting and richer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 01:16 AM
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And frankly, why does everybody need to drive a Ferrari? What's wrong with a sensible four-door sedan? I agree completely..as long as your definition of a sensible four door sedan is an AMG E63 or perhaps a BMW M5. I find both more practical for daily use than a Ferrari. edit: mistyped single for sensible
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 06:22 AM
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the fact that it's not free may actually improve the data in the sense that it's likely to have people who are more serious about finding a relationship and weed out those just playing around. I would agree that not being free probably does exclude more young people though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 05:44 AM
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Wasn't this sorta the 2nd incarnation of friendster before it was retooled as a social gaming thing? Obviously despite being one of the first to build a social network, it didn't workout that well over the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/15 05:06 AM
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I'll have to take your word for it. I'd be very surprised if I weren't right on more than one. Either that or your in academia.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 05:51 PM
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You are right, I don't know you. I am guessing based on the typical demographics of this sub and your flair that you are: 1) Under 30 (probably much younger) 2) Left of center 3) Probably haven't had a long marriage and raised kids to the college age. 4) Probably haven't had a job where you manage 10's, 100's or 1000's of people. I find it quite interesting the number of experts on relationships on reddit who have never experienced marriage or ltr's past the early years (the first 7 years or til…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 05:38 PM
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Not at all, I have lots of people I respect, like and even love...you'll find as you become more experienced with life that it's much easier to get along with people if you accept them for who they are rather than assuming they are something they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:26 PM
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I already believe most people ruthlessly pursue their own interest. Some just aren't very good at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:20 PM
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I would argue exactly the opposite. If you believe all people have their own goals and priorities that differ from yours, every connection in your life will be easier. Never assume anyone ever really puts your interests above their own, because no matter how altruistic they believe they are, they are still programmed to act in their own bests interests. There may be rare exceptions, but that's just what they are, rare exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:15 PM
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Do you believe very shy young person who has trouble approaching women needs a therapist? If that's the case, we are going to need a lot more therapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 01:29 AM
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Out of curiosity, do you believe that anyone who criticizes any black person anywhere is a racist? What if you criticize a specific group of black people like the rioters in Baltimore or the protesters who jumped on stage in Seattle? What if you criticize our president who happens to be black? If I criticize Hilary would I be a sexist or misogynist?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 01:21 AM
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Trump is someone with a massive ego who responds to anyone who questions him with a personal attack, no matter their race, gender or political persuasion. I don't think he is a great candidate for president and I really dislike his attacks on Megyn, but I don't think they come from misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 01:18 AM
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Biology, Chemistry (and I just guessing from your handle that your in Chemistry) and other common premed fields have way more women than CompSci, EE, etc. at most colleges. It's interesting, I've been looking at schools for my younger son. He's going in to CS/EE but the ratio of male to female is bothering him a bit..especially if you go to one the more focused tech schools like CIT, MIT, GT, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 04:13 AM
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Let's just say off the bat - Some people are doomed. If you have no intelligence, talent or physical attributes, you are screwed. However, if you are reasonably smart or talented in some way, you can work hard and become successful which raises social status and that combined with hard work in the gym, great cloths and confidence will get you somewhere after college. If your physical attributes are ok (decent face, height, right type of body), you can put in the effort much earlier and you'll do…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 03:40 PM
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What I find sad is people who can't handle anyone else who disagrees with them. The whole concept of safe spaces and increasing small sub-groups of people who only agree with each other is not a good thing for our culture...you need to have your ideas challenged in order to grow. Downvotes are no big deal. I am a republican who has dared to post on /r/politics in the past (on a previous more doxable account), now that's a way to grab some quick downvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 03:28 PM
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Hmm...I watched "Ex Machina" the other night, good movie. Perhaps the real Turing test will be whether you can tell if she is a bot during sex...Can it/she fake an orgasm better than your girlfriend/wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 06:45 AM
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Actually the article exists to promote a book that was published in 2005 and has been around since then and still sold today. Candace Bushnell of Sex and the City fame is even listed as a contributor to the book. I don't think it's an extreme element of anything, more of attempt to mix humor and lifestyle advice. More or less a typical example of the way western pop culture represents men on a regular basis. I also am not terribly offended by it, there are far worse things out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 10:54 PM
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I saw the video, it appeared he had a mob following him (with some guys in it as well) and shouting at him in addition to the physical confrontation. That would certainly be an extremely scary situation. I don't know if he called the police or not. I agree having people threaten you with a more specific threat that includes an address is worse than the typical online threats, but I don't necessarily think it was a real immediate threat. (maybe it was, if you have a family you have to take it ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:33 PM
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Are you trying to draw an equivalence between physical confrontation and assault as well as driving him out of a place of business and anonymous threats by internet trolls, something a lot of public figures put up with all of the time (I imagine Roosh gets his share of these as well) ? Heck even I had had random trolls threaten me, it's not that abnormal, but other than to make sure I am fully anonymous I don't sweat it. Physical confrontation is a completely different beast.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 07:52 PM
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It's how they self describe. I'd prefer not to call them liberal either as they certainly aren't classical liberal. I'd could call them socialist or leftist perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 05:20 PM
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Doesn't TRP say something like "Don't ask the fish how to be caught"? All she is doing is going back to a model from an earlier era that worked fairly well for getting someone committed. If she and her friends are attractive and portray a certain amount of class, it will likely work for her. In my younger days, a lot of men (especially alphas) had their own version of AFBB where you slept with sluts and dated/married the "good girl" (the one you could take home to mom). RP talks about low partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 05:15 PM
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Equality of outcome is a dangerous thing because the reality is that it's almost impossible to lift some people up as they will just drop back down again. It's far easier to tear others down which will eventually bring your whole system down. While some safety net is necessary, it really needs to be restricted in a way that it never creates a permanent dependency class unless you are not able bodied or of sound mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 06:29 AM
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Seems very familiar, like the way a lot of young women handled it back when I was young in the 80's. I even think there was a book out that recommended something very similar to this called "The Rules".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 01:24 AM
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I think it's a popular mindset for the media and academia. Because young people are more vulnerable to influence from both of these and generally have fewer counteracting life experiences to draw upon, they also tend to be common with young people. Amongst people over 35 working in the private sector, it's not really as representative, especially outside of the most progressive cities. Reddit is demographically very young and leans very left compared to the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 11:33 PM
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I agree, controlled anger can be very useful. By negative, I meant for me, but you are right, these are emotions which show weakness, which is what matters in a relationship context. That said, it's OK to show a little sadness if your dog or your mom dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 09:02 PM
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Not necessarily, libertarians believe in limited government which is not the same as a pure democracy. The less government you have the less need for voters. I used to be a big believer in democracy for all when I was younger, after seeing what Egypt did in electing Morsi or many other examples you can quickly find, I believe having strong constitutional limits on what government can do and a strong bill of rights is more important than broadening the vote. That said, I am not against women voti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 08:51 PM
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I think it's natural for both men and women to care for people who are closest to them or most like them within a general order (which may vary a bit from person to person): 1) Immediate Family 2) Close Friends 3)Extended Family 4) larger circle of friends and coworkers 5) Your city, state, tribe (of which one tribe is your social class) 6) everybody else These naturally split across gender, but generally less across social class (although in my case, extended family covers just about every clas…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 08:40 PM
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I would also add the classic "Don't stick your dick in crazy" advice as well. This requires that you learn to identify it in all it's forms.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 08:07 PM
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My wife used to get mad at me for never showing emotion and not sharing my emotions with her. As an experiment, I opened up to her emotionally for a week once a few years ago. She quickly regretted it, said I was whining too much and asked me to stop. She's never bothered me since to share my emotions with her. Honestly, I don't think men should never share emotions, in particular I like when people are passionate about something, but in terms of negative emotions like sadness, guilt, depression…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 07:30 PM
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