Something I don't understand...

trp_zzz · 2015-08-29T14:49:42+00:00

I've been told that we're supposed to assume that the worst shit in /r/theredpill is understandable anger, coming from men in serious pain.

Frankly I'd rather you show the contempt you feel right out in the open, it makes for a better lesson for men to not show weakness to women.

We're not supposed to stereotype anyone subscribing to the redpill

You could fairly assume that a red pill subscriber is male, heterosexual, and has a past/current history of sexual failure to a severe degree. Stereotype away.

I'm also told that the worst things coming from tumblr/twitter etc, speak to the ideals of every major branch of feminism, and are always meant literally or hide a contempt for men everywhere.

Women do show a contempt for weak men. This is why feminists will double down on attacks on men who are apologetic. Donald Trump, who holds frame like a motherfucking pro, can get on TV and verbally bitch slap women left and right. Matt Taylor, on the other hand, cried like a little girl and got beaten on that much harder for it.

My question is, how little self-awareness must you have, to be that hypocritical?

Hypocrisy is at worst a vice, like drinking beer or chasing loose women.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-08-29T14:27:06+00:00

I'm also told that the worst things coming from tumblr/twitter etc, speak to the ideals of every major branch of feminism, and are always meant literally or hide a contempt for men everywhere.

Who says this? The "no true feminist" crowd denies all of the history of official feminist thought as "feminism", individual tumblr or reddit users represent nothing.

CisWhiteMaelstrom · 2015-08-29T15:29:34+00:00

Anyone who tells you to disregard that anger is not endorsed and hopefully not gonna be. Anger phasers are usually new enough to the red pill that their theoretical understanding is off but other than that, they're 100% representative of the red pill and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. There's NO room for disagreement on this question. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't properly understand the red pill. Here's a few of my well upvoted comments where I expound it a little more and receive the upvotes necessary to show that the bulk of the red pill is behind me on this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3br7f1/the_red_pill_now_illegal_in_new_zealand/csowl3l

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/35k0uf/on_anger/cr56aq0

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3ci3o8/conning_the_conwoman_or_being_an_alpha_agent_of/csvuewj

Again though, I'm not endorsing their theoretical knowledge. It's almost always off.

ReddishBlack · 2015-08-29T14:56:36+00:00

You can conclude from this observation that group ideologies have tendencies to justify their own hypocrisy, and are effective places for hatred to seek shelter and grow.

If you are interested in living a good life avoid outsourcing your thinking to a third party, as they have their own agendas that are often driven by petty motivations that have nothing to do with being happy.

truthuncensored · 2015-08-29T15:53:17+00:00

OP is begging the question. Bad form. Logical fallacy.

Here, read this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beg_a_question

goatismycopilot · 2015-08-29T14:32:32+00:00

Huh? Was this supposed to mean something?

cantpleaseanyone · 2015-08-29T14:36:33+00:00

The general population has accepted what used to be called feminism as the norm of society. The only reason to call yourself a feminist now is if you have some batshit insane ideas.

SerpOfZerk · 2015-08-29T16:59:34+00:00

My question is, how little self-awareness must you have, to be that hypocritical? Do you just swallow that bullshit like you're sucking off Chad Thundercock, or do you take it with a chaser?

I have the awareness, I just don't care

Maoist-Pussy · 2015-08-29T17:35:05+00:00

This isn't /r/TumblrInAction, bro.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2015-08-29T18:43:29+00:00

radfems run the show now, and are deeply embedded in politics. TRP is a fresh drop of water in the salty ocean of beta ignorance.

disposable_pants · 2015-08-29T19:39:55+00:00

If you already irrationally hate a group it's reasonable to occasionally remind yourself that everyone in that group isn't Literally Hitler. If you are already irrationally uncritical of a group it's reasonable to occasionally remind yourself that said group can have extremist undercurrents not far beneath the surface.

TRP is the subject of irrational hate. Make any mention of TRP on a mainstream sub -- even something as benign as "This TRP doesn't sound good, but I want to read it before making up my mind" -- and you've earned a one-way ticket straight to the bottom of the page and a bunch of replies shouting you down. Make any post in TRP -- even a post criticizing TRP -- and you'll get auto-banned from multiple subs (you may even get auto-banned simply by subscribing). There's an entire sub dedicated to circlejerking over how evil you are. In such an environment it's sensible to take a step back occasionally and ask yourself if all of your outrage porn is actually representative of the group itself.

Because the default assumption is that TRP = the devil, you should carefully consider the counter-argument (that outrage porn is not representative of the average subscriber) to ensure that you aren't blindly buying into irrational hate.

Feminism is the subject of irrational lack of criticism. Feminism's basic tenet -- that women are equal to men in every way -- is assumed to be so untouchable that even thoughtful critique is dismissed without consideration. Calling out a common feminist myth like a meaningful wage gap is near-impossible in the mainstream. Even stating a basic biological fact -- that most men are physically stronger than most women -- will put you in dangerous territory. In such an environment it's sensible to take a step back and examine the consequences of letting the feminist train of thought run unchecked.

Because the default assumption is that feminism = unassailable truth, you should carefully consider the counter-argument (that even mainstream feminists should be open to criticism) to ensure that you aren't blindly buying into irrational unconditional support.

pandorarosie · 2015-08-29T16:23:51+00:00

It's male hamstering at it's finest.

AnOldRichDude · 2015-08-29T22:22:47+00:00

it swings both ways. Both sides of every issue accuse the other side of hypocrisy.

I would argue that in the case of feminism, there are a lot more targets because it's been around longer and are just a heck of a lot of them. You don't really have to resort to twitter or tumblr to find some fairly awful examples, you can just find Dworkin or any other academic radfem. There are no equivalents in RP as it just hasn't been around long enough nor does it have any hold in academia.

Xemnas81 · 2015-08-29T22:32:02+00:00

I don't hate.you for.being a feminist, but I'm very pissed off with feminism as a whole.

See the difference?

feminazis_stalk_me · 2015-08-30T00:02:35+00:00

The difference is that self-identifying feminists on Tumblr ranting about how "men are fucking pigs!" is perfectly acceptable and they will be passed around and shared. How many men would be able to walk away unscathed after posting "women are cunts!" on Tumblr? There would be outrage. There would be cries for his head and there would be women having seizures because they were not "trigger warned" - whatever the fuck that is.

Man-bashing is fine. Men can "handle it". We have to, because we can't smack the shit out of women and women know it. But anything that criticizes women is a misogynist hate crime. The difference is that feminists can be vocal - and they are. Men have to be silent or risk incurring the wrath of everybody around them.

Title	Something I don't understand...
Author	FallingSnowAngel
Upvotes	7
Comments	56
Date	August 29, 2015 2:17 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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