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| 1 | Let's be very precise: NOT all women are like thatEven if a gun is in fact unloaded and you've triple checked, it still isn't a good idea to point it at your head and pull the trigger a few times. And a woman isn't a gun. A gun is an object -- you can directly inspect every part of it over and over again and leave zero unknowns. Unless you're a psychic, you can never do the same with a woman. You're relying on her to show you or tell you what she's thinking; you have no direct knowledge of what's in her head. A better analogy is someone else te… | /r/TheRedPill | 24/05/18 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Went clubbing for the first timeThis is a pretty shit field report as it includes almost nothing in the way of detail. I socialised with people and drank a bit OK, give us some details on what exactly you did. How did you approach randos at a club? What did you say? Did you focus your attention on one group of people (apparently you hung out with one dude long enough to get invited to an afterparty), or did you bounce around and talk to a bunch of different groups? Did anyone ask you who you were there with? How did you answer… | /r/TheRedPill | 23/04/18 06:32 PM |
| 13 | Keep Shit To YourselfThen point out that we wear seatbelt because there are idiots on the road who will fuck your shit up This isn't a great argument because blue pillers will say the only other driver on the road in a marriage is your wife, so if you trust your wife not to fuck your relationship up you'll be fine. My go-to argument is asking people what they were like 10 or 15 years ago. Everybody was different, usually in at least one significant way. And that even applies to people in their 20s, who haven't gone … | /r/TheRedPill | 22/03/18 10:52 AM |
| 7 | When there is a hiccup in your RP journeyIn their personal lives (with friends, family, boyfriends, etc.) women are seldom met with rejection. Most people are significantly nicer to them than they would be to the average dude. They don't get tons of rejection, it's softpedaled when they do, and there's a seemingly endless well of positive interactions to balance out the occasional negatives. It's very difficult for this set of experiences not to bleed over into one's expectations about the working world (where women are also favored in… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/03/18 10:40 AM |
| 309 | The value of standing up for your friends in the face of disrespect.My friend gets up from the table, pays his bill and asks if I'd like to leave. Note the interaction (or lack thereof) here. This guy isn't a dick to the woman, he's not trying to put anyone in their place, he just gets up and walks away. If you're in this guy's shoes, you may be angry. You may have something to say. You may feel tempted to "win" the interaction. Fuck all that. The only way to "win" here is to stay cool, get up, and leave. You don't have time for this shit, and you should show th… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/03/18 10:32 AM |
| 1 | Don't Get Cucked By ConservativesWhat the hell does this post have to do with "Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men"? Not a fucking lot, that's for sure. Get this political shit -- which isn't even thoughtful political shit -- off the sub. AltRight I'll tell you bro. If conservatives weren't such losers you would be in Georgia right now sipping a mint julep watching your crop get harvested. I would be in Russia whipping my Serfs. Both of us would have abundant German soap. … | /r/TheRedPill | 27/02/18 05:51 PM |
| 1 | Girl got pissed that I didn't pay for her bar tab on first meeting.When you go to order drinks, say "I'll get the first round". If you don't like her enough to buy her a single drink, you're wasting your time, and this way you're setting the tone from the start. Close out your tab after buying the drinks, or pay in cash. If she's just there for free drinks, you'll find out pretty soon. If she might be into you, but might take advantage if you let her, you'll get the better side of her. And no one on here should be believing her claim that her card didn't work. … | /r/askTRP | 27/01/18 01:06 PM |
| 2 | Made this comment on an Aziz Ansari thread in 2X! You’ll never guess what happened next! Oh yeah the thread didn’t go their way so they ended up removing it instead of simply locking it.You're talking about how things should be; I'm talking about how things are. If you want to communicate effectively, the latter is more relevant. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/01/18 02:54 PM |
| 1 | How the Black Pill liberated mePersonality can break attraction, it can enhance attraction, but it's not going to spark it from a distance now is it? Very, very, very few men are going to spark serious attraction solely based on their physique. If a woman walks into a room of 100 guys there might only be a handful she's figuratively drooling over, and a non-trivial part of that is facial aesthetics. You want to get fit enough to where you're noticeably in good shape -- that helps you a lot once you're talking to a woman, even… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 05:50 PM |
| 7 | How the Black Pill liberated meGoing from horrible to average is about as big of a transition as going from average to great. If women wouldn't even look at you before, just becoming OK-looking makes you feel like Chad. | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 05:34 PM |
| 3 | How the Black Pill liberated meI was skinnyfat with manboobs with an acne ridden face. I looksmaxed as fuck, by doing gynecomastia surgery, acne scar laser treatment, and been lifting since 6 months. This "black pill" thinking is only applicable if you're in terrible shape to start off. If you're so fucked up you need surgery, then yeah, looks are the biggest thing holding you back. A huge improvement in looks will take you from completely off women's radar to average, which still isn't good, but it's a fantastic start. The p… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 05:32 PM |
| 1 | Made this comment on an Aziz Ansari thread in 2X! You’ll never guess what happened next! Oh yeah the thread didn’t go their way so they ended up removing it instead of simply locking it.There are a few big differences: All of those came before the rash of Hollywood sex scandals/MeToo. There wasn't an ongoing mainstream conversation about this stuff until very recently. None of the men involved in those other stories were nearly as famous as Ansari. Kane is a professional athlete, yes, but hockey doesn't get much national spotlight. I'm positive ~90% of the country couldn't pick him out of a lineup, probably more. All of those other situations involved at least some ambiguity. I… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 03:54 PM |
| 1 | Made this comment on an Aziz Ansari thread in 2X! You’ll never guess what happened next! Oh yeah the thread didn’t go their way so they ended up removing it instead of simply locking it.There is no way you can know the full story and not come away with the conclusion that some rape allegations are false. This is why that situation is a positive development. Because up until now the mainstream was at least tacitly going along with the "all accusations are true" drumbeat from far-left feminists. They were doing this because all the high-profile accusations (e.g. Weinstein, Cosby) seem to be essentially correct, and the only accusations that seemed to be false were no-name college… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 09:35 AM |
| 3 | Made this comment on an Aziz Ansari thread in 2X! You’ll never guess what happened next! Oh yeah the thread didn’t go their way so they ended up removing it instead of simply locking it.Does an adult blame a kid for screaming "I hate you"? Of course not; you just roll your eyes because it's a kid. He doesn't mean that in any lasting way -- he's just having a tantrum. Women bitching about men are just having a tantrum. So long as that tantrum doesn't become mainstream (and the near-universal pushback against the Ansari smear is a sign that we're pretty far from that), it's not a huge problem. | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 09:25 AM |
| 3 | Made this comment on an Aziz Ansari thread in 2X! You’ll never guess what happened next! Oh yeah the thread didn’t go their way so they ended up removing it instead of simply locking it.If you're a bible thumper thumping your bible at the pagan masses, they're just going to tell you to fuck off. If you point out to them that you're not really bible thumping, you just like the message of that particular quote, they'll consider it. Actual bible thumpers (supposedly) will consider the text of the bible no matter who it's coming from. It's a way of reaching a broader audience. | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 09:22 AM |
| 5 | Made this comment on an Aziz Ansari thread in 2X! You’ll never guess what happened next! Oh yeah the thread didn’t go their way so they ended up removing it instead of simply locking it.misogynistic I'm sure some guys on here hate women, but the vast majority do not. They just want a relationship that isn't a total beating, and don't have a lot of sympathy the stuff that women complain about and men have to deal with all the time. cesspool Say what you will about the topic, but TRP has a ton of relevant content easily accessible on the sidebar, and a ton of high-effort, in-depth posts and comments. Just in basic measures of subreddit quality it's lightyears above average. undes… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 09:18 AM |
| 2 | Made this comment on an Aziz Ansari thread in 2X! You’ll never guess what happened next! Oh yeah the thread didn’t go their way so they ended up removing it instead of simply locking it.Women are starting to act really appalled when men are persistent in their advances. Can you blame them? Persistence pays off. On one hand, I recall one woman rolling her eyes at me about how this guy was always hitting on her (not particularly attractive, but tall and funny). A month or two later she was sleeping with him. It's impossible to deny that persistence works in at least some situations. On the other hand, why the fuck would I want to spend two months pestering someone who's not inter… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 09:08 AM |
| 1 | Alpha Male Strategies 10 Dating CommandmentsThese women are smoking fine, no tattoes, all my type (spanish, middle eastern, traditional), on average 10 years younger than me (I'm in mid 30's). I have been with my 4 plates for over a year each now. Sure. And yet you're still going on 3-5 first dates per week because...? | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 09:00 AM |
| 2 | Alpha Male Strategies 10 Dating CommandmentsMy Meet to Lay ratio is a dismal 15%. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You can find women who'll sleep with you after just a few hours of face time, but there aren't that many. You bump this percentage up significantly by spending a little more time on your initial dates. If you bump it up to a pretty modest 30%, you're getting laid the same amount with the same time investment, and in my experience you're getting access to higher-quality women who will stick around longer (which saves you… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 08:58 AM |
| 1 | Alpha Male Strategies 10 Dating CommandmentsBesides guys who are already great looking, I've never seen anyone in real life routinely turn short interactions into long-term hookups. I've seen plenty of guys in real life do this with just slightly longer dates. You're only cheating yourself. | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 08:42 AM |
| 1 | Alpha Male Strategies 10 Dating CommandmentsIf you need more time... then do 4 dates at 2 hours each. Not 2 at 4 hours. Two problems here. First, the more dates you go on with a woman before sleeping with her, the more it makes it feel like a relationship, not just casual sex. Second, if you factor in transit time and the cost of clearing space in your evenings 4 dates of 2 hours are going to take significantly longer than 2 dates of 4 hours. Doesn't make sense. The ironic thing is that by having the mentality of keeping it short you attr… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 08:36 AM |
| 2 | Alpha Male Strategies 10 Dating CommandmentsI regularly sleep with women in under 4 hours. And so do many other guys. I've had ONSs too. In addition to being attractive enough and having enough game, you have to have a lot of other things fall into place. Having gone from meeting someone to sleeping with them in a few hours on some occasions does not mean that this is a possible strategy/the best strategy on all occasions. Not be in denial that "We're not Brad Pitt". That's not denial, that's reality. The point is that she's either into y… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/01/18 08:15 AM |
| 4 | Alpha Male Strategies 10 Dating CommandmentsDo you think these women need more than 3 hours to bang their favorite actor? You're not Brad Pitt. No one on here is. Until you and me have millions in the bank and A-list celebrity status, that's a pointless comparison to make. Very, very few "normal" people are able to consistently hustle women into bed in under 3 hours. There's nothing beta about having a realistic understanding of the situation. The reality of the situation is that there are tons of women who'd sleep with you after 2-3 long… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/01/18 08:30 PM |
| 2 | Alpha Male Strategies 10 Dating CommandmentsLook up shit tests on the sidebar, and how to respond to them. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/01/18 08:07 AM |
| 1 | Alpha Male Strategies 10 Dating CommandmentsEh, keeping dates that short is going to weed out a lot of women who'd otherwise sleep with you if you had been willing to invest more than 3 hours of face time. Plus, the quicker you go for the close the more often you're going to get LMR, which is better to simply avoid altogether. Find women you don't mind hanging out with, or find out how to enjoy yourself regardless of their company, and plan to go late if things work out. Otherwise you're just spending that time setting up other dates afte… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/01/18 08:06 AM |
| 6 | The Ansari story - Red Pill EditionThere've been articles in the New York Times, The Atlantic, and (I think) now The New Yorker calling this bullshit. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/01/18 10:22 PM |
| 16 | The Ansari story - Red Pill EditionIt's dumb to pretend all accusations are true. It's dumb to pretend all accusations are false. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/01/18 10:15 PM |
| 5 | The Ansari story - Red Pill EditionAlso, most men don't have the celebrity and money that comes from a successful acting career. You might get slandered in front of her friends if she's not 100% satisfied with your interaction, but the chances of you getting slandered publicly drop considerably. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/01/18 10:14 PM |
| 25 | The Ansari story - Red Pill EditionShould start with a legitimate #metoo This is important, because we're not seeing false accusations become fact in the mainstream. We're seeing a bunch of cases of actual rape or rapey behavior (Harvey Weinstein) mixed in with cases of wildly unprofessional/ethically questionable behavior (Louis CK) that are now mixing with cases of bad dates (Aziz Ansari). It's not all a bunch of bullshit; it's bullshit mixed in with legitimate problems. The Ansari story is a good thing, because it's forcing th… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/01/18 10:09 PM |
| 10 | Scratch and Dent SaleIt's also possible that she's fairly normal, and just wants a relationship where she can wear the pants. She can dole out duty sex once a month. She can turn the screws to get taken out a bunch. She doesn't have to dress up all the time or keep in her best shape because what's he going to do, leave? She can't treat a better man like that, because a better man has options. The ultimate kicker in all of this is that deep down Billy knows that he got her at a Scratch and Dent Sale, and knows that i… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/01/18 09:55 PM |
| 5 | The Nümale Grimace | Chateau HeartisteThis is merely a symptom of a lack of confidence in one's smile. Guys who don't like the look of their face in general (or who don't like how they look in pictures when they smile) do this because it's a socially acceptable way of showing happiness that doesn't involve an expression they're bad at. All this shit about reading the tea leaves to discern their stance on Brexit and how they're "brainwashed by the Jews" is just cringey. They're just ugly/not in shape/unconfident, and there's plenty o… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/01/18 01:48 AM |
| 2 | The Nümale Grimace | Chateau HeartisteThe right-wing loves the idea that their policies and positions are masculine while left-wing ideas are feminine. Yet for every left-leaning "nu-male," you can find an equivalently spineless, broke idiot pinning their hopes that the "God Emperor" will fix the problems "Obummer and the Libtards" caused. Thinking that social preferences map cleanly onto political preferences is a sign of a self-reinforcing worldview that does not respond to reality or logic. It's mentally insisting that Group A I … | /r/TheRedPill | 16/01/18 01:40 AM |
| 5 | Snapchat + TRP Principles - How I Got Invited Out to the Club for a 21 Yr Old Girl's Birthday Party, Collected Numbers, and Gave Her the "Birthday Lay"It does strike me as a fool's mate -- if she was already into you enough to invite you to a small group outing after a short Snapchat conversation (and already knew you beforehand), you're already half the way there. As long as you don't get clingy and go for the close at the end of the night, you're probably 75% of the way there. The remaining 25% can be filled in completely for you if you're in decent shape and dress OK. I have a story about a ONS after a pool party, but I'm not making that in… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/01/18 01:26 AM |
| 1 | The Humiliation of Aziz AnsariI'd be interested in seeing some data, though. Data would be great, but I have no idea where one would get it. To my knowledge companies aren't required to report "canned because of a sexual misconduct allegation" firings anywhere. It seems to me significant that, for example, there have not to my knowledge been any major campus controversies to accompany the downfall of all these powerful men. There were plenty -- a bunch of high-profile false accusations (the Duke Lacrosse case, Mattress Girl,… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/01/18 11:09 PM |
| 2 | The Humiliation of Aziz AnsariMaybe, but but "small fries" aren't really being targeted in the #MeToo revelations I think if a female coworker takes this exact story to HR in a complaint about a male employee it's significantly more likely to get the guy fired now than before "me too". Doesn't even have to be a coworker -- I can imagine a scenario where a woman posts some version of this on her ex's employer's page. Now think of how many Mattress Girls there are out there on college campuses, where individual students have n… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/01/18 10:45 PM |
| 3 | The Humiliation of Aziz AnsariI think Ansari will be ultimately fine, even if he has to take a year or two detour in his career. I even think Louis CK will eventually make it out the other end. When you have really talented people who have done things that are cringey, but not criminal, I think they'll be OK. The losers will be men who've actually forced themselves on women (no problem there), men who've pressured women into sex with the threat of career stagnation (mostly no problem there, although we're starting to toe the… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/01/18 10:00 PM |
| 3 | Pet Theories and New/Unfinished Ideas Megathread January 15Is this subreddit a forum for the “discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men?” The fundamental question here is whether "don't participate" counts as a strategy. While one could argue that technically it might (and yes, we've all seen War Games), practically it doesn't. Your average man has a sex drive and wants to sleep with women; the idea here is to discuss how to handle those impulses in a way that won't get you burned, not to tell each other… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/01/18 04:49 PM |
| 27 | The Humiliation of Aziz AnsariTogether, the two women may have destroyed Ansari’s career, which is now the punishment for every kind of male sexual misconduct, from the grotesque to the disappointing. This is the crux of the discussion I've seen from nearly everyone (whether they lean left or right) who talks about these stories in detail -- that all of these situations are not equal, and that we haven't yet figured out how to handle sexual misconduct that's not blatantly horrible. Forcing someone down and raping them is bla… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/01/18 04:36 PM |
| 32 | The Humiliation of Aziz AnsariI am so glad that this metoo movement push many liberals to conservatives side. Don't get your hopes up. Someone who agrees with the left on a wide variety of political questions isn't going to suddenly throw all that out because the social element of the party has gone too far. If they think companies should be taxed more, they're not going to suddenly think companies should be taxed less just because some comedian got smeared. It's the same thing with Trump supporters on the right. They're sta… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/01/18 04:09 PM |
| 25 | The Humiliation of Aziz AnsariMen are supposed to just "pick up the subtle cues". Turns out that can be difficult, and when we try to give each other help on it? "NOPE, that's RAPE culture". Women want a man who "just gets it." Who doesn't need advice, or a pointer here or there. "Real men" "just get it"; men who don't immediately grok all the nuances of sexual interactions are rejects and should be shunned. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/01/18 04:01 PM |
| 8 | The Female Orgasm Is Trivial - "If a woman decided to have sex with you, that means you provide value to her besides the sexual. Whether you give her an orgasm or not is irrelevant, and she will continue seeing you even if the sex was uninspiring. "If she was with you for sex in the first place...then no. You didn't satisfy. Sums it up perfectly. A big focus here is getting women interested in sex for the sake of sex -- not just becoming a better beta and getting a hotter woman to give up monthly duty sex. If she's interested in sex for the sake of sex, and the sex isn't good for her, she's not going to maintain that interest for long. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/01/18 08:54 PM |
| 6 | The Female Orgasm Is Trivial - "If a woman decided to have sex with you, that means you provide value to her besides the sexual. Whether you give her an orgasm or not is irrelevant, and she will continue seeing you even if the sex was uninspiring. "Some women can produce a small volume of milky fluid with presence of PSA (real female ejaculation, from their Skene glands). That's not the liquid produced when squirting. Squirting by definition is not a "small volume" activity. You can find even a mixture of both fluids: a larger volume of mostly clear fluid with traces of PSA in it. If I pee after sex and my urine has traces of semen in it, that doesn't make my urine not urine. Squirting involves urine, even if it has traces of other fluids. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/01/18 08:50 PM |
| 14 | The Female Orgasm Is Trivial - "If a woman decided to have sex with you, that means you provide value to her besides the sexual. Whether you give her an orgasm or not is irrelevant, and she will continue seeing you even if the sex was uninspiring. "If you hold frame correctly and she makes the choice to sleep with you, almost any level of sex, even bad, will not make her leave. I don't think one can really hold frame in a sexual relationship if they suck at sex. We can talk about how it's theoretically possible for days, but in practice I just don't see it happening for guys who aren't millionaires or celebrities. Posts like "you don't even have to get her off!" are misleading because 99% of relationships where she's lukewarm on the sexual… | /r/TheRedPill | 13/01/18 08:45 PM |
| 2 | James Damore sues Google, alleging intolerance of white male conservativesYou're never going to agree 100% with every single policy on each side. There will always be some segment of whatever group you associate with that's less than ideal. Politics isn't a game of getting everything you want at all times; it's a game of choosing between half of what you want or nothing. There are dumb outliers in both parties, but only one party is sane and responsible. Be a voice of reason against the stupid element in that party. | /r/TheRedPill | 10/01/18 01:54 AM |
| 0 | Your Competition Online: 100 to 1, Offline: 3 to 1.Tinder and others are mostly bots now or inactive profiles... Women genuinely don't even use dating apps anymore. I find that extraordinarily hard to believe. I've met plenty of real women from apps, and both them and women I did not meet on an app have mentioned that most of their friends use apps. Why wouldn't they? It's as discreet as they want it to be, there's as much variety as they want, and they can put in exactly the level of effort they want without any messy social repercussions. Some… | /r/TheRedPill | 21/12/17 04:12 AM |
| 2 | Your Competition Online: 100 to 1, Offline: 3 to 1.But how much time does it take to contact 100 women online vs. 100 women in the real world? On Tinder, you can mass swipe and mass message extremely quickly. Sending the same initial message to everyone or almost everyone dramatically reduces the time you spend before knowing who's going to reply and who isn't. Sticking relatively close to a 3-4 text-response script after that makes that stage almost rote, too. 5-10 minutes each day can get you face-to-face dates every couple of days, if not mor… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/12/17 11:18 PM |
| 9 | Your Competition Online: 100 to 1, Offline: 3 to 1.Offline is like real life tinder, except you don't have 100 other guys talking to your target at the same time Ever been to a crowded bar? There's tons of competition in many places offline, too. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/12/17 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Lessons from Matt Lauer et alThe social taboo you are talking about will make it even more likely for her to push you under the bus. Make whatever argument you want here: You're wrong. I've been single at work, I've been in a relationship at work. I've seen single guys at work, I've seen guys in relationships at work. If there's aggressive flirting going on, it's directed at the single guys 95% of the time. Preempting aggressive flirting with regular mentions of a girlfriend is a tried-and-true method. Women don't approach … | /r/TheRedPill | 01/12/17 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Why Honesty and Subtlety Give A Stronger Frame (A more precise understanding of frame)TL;DR: Plausible deniability, cover your ass. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/12/17 12:10 AM |
| 1 | My rule for LTRs: Is my SMV increasing or decreasing?Sure, you could get cheated on, dumped, you might be humiliated and sad and distraught "Winning" is having as little of this stuff as possible. You get as much of the good as possible with as little of the bad as possible. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/12/17 12:06 AM |
| 11 | 4 Bullshit Slogans Men Should Stop BelievingThis post is pretty decent, but yeah, the format is tiresome. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/12/17 12:02 AM |
| 4 | Lessons from Matt Lauer et alThis just increases your SMV considerably Yes and no. Yes, there's an element of social proof at play, where the "fact" that you're already sleeping with someone implies that you're a good person to sleep with. But this is far outweighed by the benefits of a plausible, ironclad "no" you can give to any advances without coming off as mean. Then there's the social taboo against openly hitting on people in relationships that will make any aggressive female coworkers tone it down a bit, and the air … | /r/TheRedPill | 30/11/17 08:23 PM |
| 13 | Lessons from Matt Lauer et alTrue, but there's nothing wrong with exercising a little self control for the same of showing yourself that you can. "A little self control" is jacking off once or twice a week instead of once or twice a day. You're not really in control if you can't handle your vices in moderation. Who's more in control of themselves: A guy who swears off alcohol completely because he's worried he'll become an alcoholic if he even has a sip, or a guy who drinks a bit occasionally but doesn't make a habit of it? | /r/TheRedPill | 30/11/17 01:28 AM |
| 28 | Lessons from Matt Lauer et alCan't stop yourself from eating garbage food if it's in your fridge? Simple -- just don't buy garbage food when you're at the grocery store. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/11/17 01:25 AM |
| 6 | Lessons from Matt Lauer et ala paper trail is useless and will be dismissed if you are accused of harassment Say you're getting hit on, you don't respond, and she gets upset and makes a complaint about you. You're fired. If you have a paper trail documenting all her activities, plus maybe a recorded conversation or two (if it's been going on long enough, you'd be smart to do this), you go to a lawyer and let them handle it. You'll be in a lot better spot that way than if you complain to HR yourself and get fired because you… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/11/17 01:24 AM |
| 12 | Lessons from Matt Lauer et alMake it known at work that you're dating someone. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. If you're not shitting where you eat -- and you shouldn't be -- what's the downside here? If anything, you'll lose a bit of the "single guy who goes out and parties all the time" tag that can make higher ups think less of you. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/11/17 01:21 AM |
| 2 | Should the right to vote be earned?The biggest issue with voting are the people over 50/60 where their vote doesn’t have as a huge impact than with young people. One could also argue that the vote of a 70- or 80-year-old should not carry the same weight as a 20- or 30-year-old, because the latter group has to live with the results for far longer. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/11/17 10:57 PM |
| 3 | Should the right to vote be earned?There's only a tangential relationship between voting rights and "discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men". This is off topic. almost every woman is a net burden on taxes This is just stupid. An unemployed single mother might be a net financial burden, but most adult women hold full-time jobs. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/11/17 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Should the right to vote be earned?The (lofty) ideal being that you're willing to put society before yourself. There's probably also an element of getting adults to know what running a civil service actually entails. It's easy to rip on the city council all day if you don't know how it really works. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/11/17 10:31 PM |
| 4 | Pet Theories and New/Unfinished Ideas Megathread November 27That's far too black and white for my tastes. The idea is right -- don't be more invested than she is -- but apply some reasonable standards to the execution. If it's the first time you texted her and she doesn't respond, yeah, it probably makes sense to move on to someone more interested. If you've been casually dating/sleeping with her for a couple of weeks and she doesn't respond, not following up is just throwing away a plate for no reason. I'd send 2-3 texts before moving on -- the effort r… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/11/17 09:39 PM |
| 1 | Pet Theories and New/Unfinished Ideas Megathread November 27The internet created a massive intellectual divide between people intelligent enough to seek out information and mouth breathing entertainment binging proles. I don't think the internet created this divide; it's merely made taking advantage of either information or entertainment a lot easier. We've had free (or extremely cheap) libraries for a century now, and books have both real-world information and entertainment. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/11/17 09:26 PM |
| 13 | Consequences of Modern Feminism for WomenEh, this is only feminist in the sense that it shares a bit of feminism's "you can have it all" theme, and that's a carrot dangled in front of both men and women. That's a problem with any non-traditional approach to life. It's no different from a guy thinking he can go out and get drunk a bunch in his 20s and wind up with a good career, happiness, and money at 30. Yeah, it's possible, but the odds are against it. This is the female version of dudes waking up at 39 with a fat wife they despise a… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/11/17 08:29 AM |
| 1 | Pet Theories and New/Unfinished Ideas Megathread October 16Real advice for high schoolers: Be skeptical of advice that comes in one sentence, followed by "that's all you need to know." Generally you have to understand the situation more broadly before focusing so narrowly on one aspect of it really starts to help. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 10:42 AM |
| 3 | Pet Theories and New/Unfinished Ideas Megathread October 16A lot of people are saying this is oneitis, but I think it's closer to simple laziness/comfort. A decent relationship is comfortable and easy. You don't have to put in the work of grinding through Tinder conversations or going out to shitty bars and clubs and trying to yell game over the music. You make dinner, watch a movie, and have sex. Easy. And if you're doing it right the sex is better than ONS sex, because both sides know what the other is into. "The veil" is when you don't want to go thr… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 10:40 AM |
| 2 | Pet Theories and New/Unfinished Ideas Megathread October 16Blondie then reveals to us afterward that she was hoping Asian guy would have kissed her and taken her home with him. Why do you think she's telling you the truth? Maybe she's: Trying to value signal (e.g. "I'm so sex-positive!") In a mood to criticize, and could just have easily rejected the dude and then criticized him for that after Rationalizing why, if she's so attractive, an "average-looking Asian guy" didn't make a move, and coming to the conclusion that it's his problem ("he didn't kiss … | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 10:32 AM |
| 0 | The Metoo campaign is a blessing in disguise. It's revealing the women you want to avoid. Anyone parading what's supposed to be a personal subject online, is merely seeking attention. Avoiding them will help prevent false allegations from being made against you.That's a great way to fuck up your life while achieving nothing. Think what you like, behave like others. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 08:34 AM |
| 2 | The Assault on HumorThere is no assault on humor. There is an assault on bad humor. Truly funny commedians can make a joke about anything they want. Louis CK's whole "of course ...but maybe" routine is the quintessential example of this. He literally jokes about OP's topic (kids with allergies), wounded veterans, and slavery -- and you can tell from the audience reaction that some people are clearly uncomfortable with it! But he gets away with it because the setup is clear, the writing is strong, the delivery is pe… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 08:31 AM |
| 25 | The Assault on HumorThere are plenty of genuinely funny women. But the average woman is not socially pressured to become funny or die alone in the same way the average man is pressured to do such, so you get far more funny men than women. More men are funny =/= men and only men are funny. That's poor logic. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 08:17 AM |
| 1 | Having a few slut friends have shown me how women can experience the entire spectrum of dating (simultaneously with multiple men), with complete control, frame and ease.Exactly. The only reason you'd be angry at "D" is if you don't understand what's going on. As soon as you get wise to that, getting angry at her is just yelling at the rain. Just deal with it ("be guy #1") instead of wasting time and energy railing against nature. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 08:13 AM |
| 3 | Having a few slut friends have shown me how women can experience the entire spectrum of dating (simultaneously with multiple men), with complete control, frame and ease.Dont be friend with girls, be a random contact an always exchange favors. It really comes down to how a given person defines "friend". If you're using the term to describe people you see casually and are on friendly terms with, yes, you can be friends with women. If you're using the term to describe only those who you spend lots of time with and share close personal details with, no, you cannot. The rule of thumb is make sure you're not getting less out of your time together than you want. If go… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 08:11 AM |
| 4 | The trickle truth of the Hollywood sexabuse and what it's nothing more than AWALT and the avoidance of responsibility.But being the one or two out of hundreds, and likely with little support, and facing a towering figure of power and wealth, the odds were stacked against these few legitimate victims. But it didn't have to be that way. If each girl had come forward when it happened, there would have been a mountain of evidence. Moreover, and even more important, it would have stopped. Plenty of women came forward against Bill Cosby and Bill O'Reilly, and look at all the good it did them until recently. It isn't … | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 08:00 AM |
| 7 | The trickle truth of the Hollywood sexabuse and what it's nothing more than AWALT and the avoidance of responsibility.What I find interesting is that women confess that their careers were stopped dead in their tracks when they refused his advances and yet others say that they refused them too and yet their careers took off. Either: Weinstein had enormous influence over Hollywood, but didn't have absolute and total control over every single part of the industry. Or, Weinstein's threats of blackballing were largely empty, and actresses succeeded or failed on their own merits. Or, Some women misunderstood the situ… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/10/17 07:45 AM |
| 2 | Is the red pill going to loose its bite soon?Lol women, pua's, Egoists, n-count hunters, the RP community, endorsed TRP commenters, society. I couldn't care less about conforming to any of those groups. My personal goal is what I'm after. It's not about conformity, it's about getting what you want. Club owners, bartenders, women, gym owners, clothing stores, pick up artists (thanks for the views), Gaylubeoil and his t-shirt sales. This is like arguing that you shouldn't start your own business and become a millionaire because that would en… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 07:37 AM |
| 21 | There's literally nowhere to go as a guy with dating problems. You realize this, right?Ahh, the tired old "they're rapists!" argument. When 99% of the community is against violence, when 99% of posts and comments have nothing to do with violence, and when the sub's popular advice basically makes violence impossible, it's laughably dishonest to suggest that violence is in any way a significant part of the community. "They're rapists!" is exactly the sort of asinine attack male safe spaces are subjected to on a regular basis. There are entire websites and subreddits dedicated to pus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 07:31 AM |
| 3 | There's literally nowhere to go as a guy with dating problems. You realize this, right?It's an observation "You're fat" is an observation, too. If you can't admit that "these people can't create a sane community" is an insult, you're wasting both of our time. that OP shared in this post He did nothing of the sort. "I don't like X, Y, and Z communities" is far different than "you're incapable of forming a good community". Saying "I can't solve your problems for you" is not kicking someone when they're down That's not what you said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 07:23 AM |
| 17 | There's literally nowhere to go as a guy with dating problems. You realize this, right?That's just nonsense. This is the internet; hell yes you can have a "safe space" if you want to. This isn't some free speech thing where anyone is entitled to a platform on any discussion board they want -- if you don't stick to the rules of road, the moderators can tell you to kindly fuck off. Look at /r/baseball. That's a safe space for baseball discussion. I can't go in there and push whatever my pet non-baseball topic is, I can't go in there and say baseball sucks, I can't call the users idi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 07:19 AM |
| 5 | There's literally nowhere to go as a guy with dating problems. You realize this, right?who have I attacked? ... single men can't seem to create a sane and stable community Obviously that's an insult. Imagine if you had said "black people can't seem to create a sane and stable community". Should feminists handle this one? Married men? The elderly? If you don't have any advice for struggling single guys -- and it's clear you don't -- that's fine. You don't have to chime in at all. What I'm pointing out is that you chose to chime in for no other reason than to kick these guys while t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 07:04 AM |
| 2 | Finding balanceMRP fails miserably with their dread game Of course you're going to have missteps when you're taking guys who have forgotten how to be attractive and trying to make them attractive again. That doesn't mean the theory isn't sound. it's nothing but trying to negotiate desire You've identified the problem perfectly. Dread game doesn't work when it's transparently done to get your partner to have sex with you. It works when the focus is on you becoming a better, more attractive person for the sake o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 06:58 AM |
| 1 | Guy's N-Count, friendship circle, and preference in friends of SOlife isn't actually better banging a bunch of chicks than finding a really good person That's your opinion. Some guys see it differently, or at least see it differently for several years. Many of these guys would be a fine long-term partner, but just aren't interested in that right now. Because if you're a really good person, that is what you'll find. Nothing about sticking in a long-term relationship when you'd rather be single makes one a "good person". Also, a lot of people with options are '… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 06:42 AM |
| 7 | There's literally nowhere to go as a guy with dating problems. You realize this, right?You can say "ultimately you have to figure it out for yourself" without shitting on somebody asking for advice. Blue pillers like to bitch about how negative these types of male spaces get, but just maybe they're negative in part because they're subjected to constant ridicule from the mainstream. You want to see a "sane and stable" male space? Maybe you shouldn't reflexively attack the ones that spring up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 06:34 AM |
| 2 | Guy's N-Count, friendship circle, and preference in friends of SOI'm not downvoting you. If you're getting downvoted in multiple threads, perhaps you should take a hard look at what you're bringing to the table. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 06:27 AM |
| 1 | Guy's N-Count, friendship circle, and preference in friends of SOChrist... You don't have to be a rock star to have good options. A guy who's good looking, funny, and confident has a lot of attractive women interested in him and he knows it. Plenty of guys fit that description. And plenty of guys would rather take a run of 3-6 month casual relationships over slogging through the holidays at one particular girl's parents' house. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 06:25 AM |
| 8 | There's literally nowhere to go as a guy with dating problems. You realize this, right?Did I say that? You were asked for advice: Honestly, what is your actual answer to guys who have dating issues? And you didn't give any. You didn't even sympathize with the guy. You just dumped on struggling single guys some more. No one's saying you have to go out and solve the problem yourself, but you can at least hold back from shitting on guys who are trying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 06:19 AM |
| 2 | Guy's N-Count, friendship circle, and preference in friends of SOIncluding people an abundance of options. Tons of people with true abundance mentality think like this. Look at the multitude of single pro athletes, actors, and musicians. They know they have their choice of a ton of high-value women, and they choose the field over one in particular for years on end. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 06:16 AM |
| 9 | There's literally nowhere to go as a guy with dating problems. You realize this, right?So not only are you offering no advice, but you're blaming the guys with the problem for sucking so much they can't even form a "sane and stable" discussion board? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 06:12 AM |
| 1 | Guy's N-Count, friendship circle, and preference in friends of SOThat's not how it works. It's more like: Met this great person, but I've met great people before. They're still great objectively, but they're not some unique end-all-be-all. I don't fall in love with them, because even though I'm rather fond of them I can still think rationally. Our lives our great, but being single was pretty good, too, and I've had great experiences with other women. Speaking of other women, there are a lot of great ones out there, and for any number of reasons I don't want t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 06:10 AM |
| 1 | Guy's N-Count, friendship circle, and preference in friends of SOIf one tends to make quality bonds with other quality people, even if you just have a handful of relationships in your life, then you would have no opportunity to have high N counts. You could simply prefer shorter relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 05:56 AM |
| 1 | Is the red pill going to loose its bite soon?Idk what does altering your personality to conform to certain groups have to do with individuality? What "certain groups" are you talking about? I decide I want to get laid more. I decide to improve myself so that I can achieve my personal goal. That's the epitome of individualism; figuring out what you want and then going out and doing it. hmm so spending your time trying to seduce women only affects yourself Other than myself, who am I benefiting by learning how to be attractive to women? I im… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 05:44 AM |
| 1 | Guy's N-Count, friendship circle, and preference in friends of SOGet fucked, bot. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 05:37 AM |
| 1 | Guy's N-Count, friendship circle, and preference in friends of SOrefer to the studies that show the higher the N count, the worse you are with relationships Link? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 05:36 AM |
| 6 | Guy's N-Count, friendship circle, and preference in friends of SOKudos for putting so much effort into this post. What immediately jumps out to me is more support for the idea that most guys struggle to get laid regularly. Over half of men have 3 or fewer lifetime partners. 75% have 6 or fewer. There's this insane blue pill notion that your if your typical guy dresses up a bit, goes out regularly, and "just talks to women", he'll magically wind up in bed with one reasonably soon. Yet your results show that this is a once in a blue moon occurrence for most guy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 05:33 AM |
| 2 | Is the red pill going to loose its bite soon?Really? "You guys are idiots"? That's all you're bringing to the table here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 04:51 AM |
| 2 | Is the red pill going to loose its bite soon?Playing a "who's the most alpha" game to try to impress others doesn't seem very individualistic to me. Not what the vast majority of TRP does. Acting certain ways for a woman's sake doesn't seem very individualistic to me. What does wanting to attract a woman have to do with individualism? Changing who you are for the sake of others' benefit This is just stupid; no one is benefiting from a red pill guy changing his behavior but himself. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Grind yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 04:50 AM |
| 2 | Is the red pill going to loose its bite soon?227,000 subscribers, still growing steadily. It's not growing because it has "bite", however you define that. It's growing because it's useful to a lot of men who for whatever reason don't have the tools to be as successful with women as they want to be. That part of TRP isn't going away anytime soon, so it'll continue to grow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 04:45 AM |
| 2 | Is the red pill going to loose its bite soon?I'm pretty sure he managed to turn his whole audience off to the idea of associating with it. Who among his audience would be open to TRP in the first place? Sounds like preaching to the choir. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 04:41 AM |
| 3 | Is the red pill going to loose its bite soon?It's individualist in the sense that: It's not advocating for a society change, like MRAs, It actively tells users that no one is going to help them and they have to go out and make it happen themselves, and There are a dozen schools of thought on most topics, and all of them can get support depending on who's writing the post How is it not individualist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 04:40 AM |
| 2 | White knights? Black knights?This story sounds made up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 04:35 AM |
| 3 | Q4RP: Do you agree with this gilded TRP post in which a TRPer tells a rape victim that she should be happy that it happened and that it was merely LMR?Women lie about rape to avoid responsibility, among other things. Not all women do it, but some really messed up ones do. The really messed up ones lie about it to the police and are fine with taking a guy to court over a phantom rape. Lying about it in private to make themselves more sympathetic is just run-of-the-mill irresponsible behavior. No extra dose of "messed up" required. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 04:33 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Do you agree with this gilded TRP post in which a TRPer tells a rape victim that she should be happy that it happened and that it was merely LMR?post has 0 points. OP probably gilded it so he could make this post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 04:20 AM |
| 8 | Q4RP: Do you agree with this gilded TRP post in which a TRPer tells a rape victim that she should be happy that it happened and that it was merely LMR?And if they're both blackout drunk? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 03:53 AM |
| 1 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"This is why your comparison The comparison is fine; it's only meant to show that one can be threatening without realizing they're being threatening. That's it. Treating comparisons as if they have to be 100% perfect analogues of what you're describing is obfuscating and unpersuasive. You wouldn't tell your boss "selling widgets isn't baseball because we operate year-round" in response to him saying the company needs to hit a home run this quarter instead of a double. The actual point of comparis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 09:48 PM |
| 1 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"I'm not sure how what I said implies that it's a bad idea to prepare or present yourself well. You said: Sure but I'm saying that if you really are that awesome, they will know it. Because you do awesome things, not because you go around announcing how awesome you are. A shitty fact about the world is that you do in fact have to go around announcing how awesome you are, otherwise there's a good chance people won't figure it out on their own. Artists struggle with this all the time -- they create… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 09:43 PM |
| 5 | Are “cis” men who allow their sexuality to be co-opted by trans-activists the REAL sissies?Part of the problem is likely that those administrative roles are some of the only opportunities teachers have for significant upward mobility. If you leave them be there's bureaucratic bloat (which only makes teaching less appealing), but if you cut them teachers see even less of an opportunity to see their salary grow as their career progresses (which again makes teaching less appealing). And most of the people who want to cut administrative positions don't intend to spread that money around o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 09:39 PM |
| 7 | Do women make better wingmen (wingwomen, if you will)?Extremely different. A woman may have no idea how to attract women, but she could help as a wingwoman simply because her presence A) shows social proof and B) short-circuits the "look at this dude with all of his dude friends in their button down shirts out looking to get fucked" part of her brain that fast-tracks her to a hard no. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 09:35 PM |
| 6 | Are “cis” men who allow their sexuality to be co-opted by trans-activists the REAL sissies?You get what you pay for. It's funny how much overlap there is between the "public education sucks" crowd and the "drown the government in a bathtub" crowd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 09:23 PM |
| 1 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"Why assume that the women in question has necessarily done this multiple times before? Because All Women Are Like That. Or at least it's better to assume they are and be proven wrong than to naively think this one is different and get burned yet again. Ugh, bad mouthing a former friend is not abuse. Beating up a former friend is not abuse. Forcing your "friend" into a holding pattern where they have to do X, Y, and Z or risk getting beat up is abuse. Whether or not you view friendzoning as abuse… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 09:18 PM |
| 1 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"Not everything everyone says is intended as advice. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that a personal anecdote is intended to contribute to the discussion, and is not just a fun story for the sake of a fun story. If you're just telling fun stories about your life that have no bearing on the conversation, the misunderstanding is on your end. And if it's just a fun story in no way intended as advice, why are you pushing back against the argument that "friends first" is a bad relationship strateg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 09:13 PM |
| 0 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"What exactly is the women doing in this analogy that's meant to be represented by beating people up? Telling their mutual friends he's an asshole who tried to befriend her just because he wanted to get in her pants. And no, it's not the textbook definition of abusive behaviour. What abusers do -- some of them unconsciously -- is tell their victims that they want X behavior, and then if they don't get X behavior they beat them up. The causal relationship between not doing X and getting beat up is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 09:07 PM |
| 1 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"Yeah, the act of sex alone is not a relationship. But if -- for women -- there's a 90% chance they can turn sex into a relationship with trivial effort, the difference is semantics. Say you're an eccentric billionaire and you want to hire someone to travel the world for you and pick out all the best stuff for you to see. You meet someone in a bar, think they're an OK person, and give them ten grand in cash to go somewhere over the weekend and report back what they find. Now you didn't offer them… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 09:01 PM |
| 1 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"Since when does describing such a thing about yourself have to be advice? Come on. We're not on here to get to know each other, we're on here to talk about what boils down to various forms of dating advice. It's completely reasonable to read "X advice worked for me" as support for X advice. I think they just thought I was pretty They wanted to sleep with you from the moment they laid eyes on you. Guys are visual. They don't need to get to know a woman before knowing that they want to sleep with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:56 PM |
| 1 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"About 90% of the time it's a relationship if she wants it to be. All she has to do is ask when they'll see each other again and insinuate that sex is on the table, and just about all guys will take a flier on that. The vast majority of men don't get laid so often that they're going to turn that down. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:46 PM |
| 1 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"Or do you give them examples of things you've done that demonstrate those qualities? Maybe bring in a portfolio of projects you've worked on in the past to show them what you're capable of? So we're back to talking about preparing, and about how presentation matters quite a bit. Think of it this way: You might have a strong resume, but if you pick the wrong things to talk about (projects that weren't that impressive, or that you weren't that involved in, or that aren't particularly germane to th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"Me explaining something about how I personally found dating partners does not equal me telling everyone to go out and do things this way. Then what's the point of offering a personal anecdote? And it obviously wasn't a bad "strategy" to the guys I dated. Well yeah. If you use outcome-based evaluations, any strategy is looks good to the people who found success with it. That same logic would tell you that playing the lottery was a good strategy for lottery winners. My point was that I don't think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:40 PM |
| 0 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"If you're not conscious that you're making a threat, does that make it any less of a threat to the person you're threatening? Say you beat people up when you get pissed off. Naturally, some of your friends don't want to be your friend anymore and this comes up in discussion. You beg them to remain your friends, and they know that if they say no you'll get pissed, and when you get pissed... Are you threatening them? Not consciously, but they know how things will play out if they say no. It's the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:36 PM |
| 2 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"I turned down many such "friends" Then you should be able to see that it's a bad strategy overall. Takes a lot of time and investment building up a friendship. Generally you're forgoing other options because you're pining after that one special friend. High chance of rejection. Rejection damages/destroys the friendship in most cases. The most likely outcome is a lot of time wasted for less than nothing. You didn't get rejected by some random woman who might just not have liked your shirt; you go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"Pretty much. "Do what I want or I'll make your life harder". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:28 PM |
| 1 | TRP is Blue Pilled AFThere's really no "normal" success rate Then why did you introduce that term? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:26 PM |
| 1 | TRP is Blue Pilled AFOption 3 is that its an effective placebo. It makes guys go out and then the numbers game works itself. But these guys aren't going out and just talking to women. They're going out and talking to women in specific ways, and presenting themselves in specific ways. A chubby dude with clothes that doesn't fit can go and stumble through timid conversations with a thousand women and he's not going to see a lot of success, despite the numbers. About option 1 Yes, that is a great example of "the vast m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:24 PM |
| 2 | Redpillers, has being an active members and regulars in your community helped your life? What newer things have you learned?I remember reading TRP and PPD threads a while back, and the contents seem exactly the same as now. This is because the vast majority of blue pillers don't bother to read anything more than TRP outrage porn. 60% of conversations here are just tired old objections to TRP ("DAE subhuman scum????") that aren't persuasive to anyone on either side. Another 30% are the topic du jour that's kind of related to TRP ("Is this rape?" "NiceGuysTM aren't nice!" "Here's how society shits on men!"), and probab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 11:08 AM |
| 2 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"It's equally true for both. The latter group is just more vocal about not wanting to date fat, annoying women. The former will put up with a little more fat and a little more annoying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 10:50 AM |
| 1 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"A great deal of relationships start with sex. If she wants a shot with an attractive guy, sex will certainly get her an audition for a relationship. Of course, she has to demonstrate that she's worth a relationship once she has her foot in the door, but there are a lot of ways to do this that are entirely in her control. Just being pleasant and sexually available is often enough if she's not overweight. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 06:18 AM |
| 3 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"For those wondering, any non-fat woman (and plenty of fat ones, too) under 35 can find 10 of these guys at any decent-sized bar or club on a Friday night. And they all want to sleep with someone, and for many of them a bird (so to speak) in hand will beat two in the bush (so to speak). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 06:13 AM |
| 7 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"Let's look at this point by point: feminine looking: Yes, absolutely. masculine sex drive: Kind of. Mostly they don't want a woman who's frigid and refuses sex all the time; just someone who's going to fall into a "sex once every week or two" pattern in a relationship. enthusiastically licking up come, loves anal, etc: The focus here is on a woman who's open to more than just vanilla sex. It doesn't have to be the freakiest shit ever, just not an endless tunnel of missionary duty sex. has mascul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 06:09 AM |
| 3 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"A big part of being charming is being socially aware enough to know that you never tell someone how charming you are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 05:56 AM |
| 9 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"If you say "Brad Pitt" everyone knows you're talking about a good-looking man. They may not personally find him especially attractive, but they know what you're talking about. If you say, for instance, Chris Pine, you'll start to lose some people on here who don't watch a ton of movies, and you'll inevitably get some "oh he's not even that good looking" comments, which have a chance to derail the conversation into a discussion about which celebrities are the most universally good looking and why… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 05:45 AM |
| 1 | "Smart, educated, career women" are the new "nice guy tms"Sure but I'm saying that if you really are that awesome, they will know it. You're about to walk into a job interview. Do you need to prepare? Do you need to have a resume? Do you need to look sharp? If you're that awesome, they'll just know it, right? Tons of really cool things fail because they're marketed poorly, and tons of mediocre shit sells like hotcakes because it's marketed well. How you present yourself absolutely has an impact on how people perceive you, and the presentation is especi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 05:41 AM |
| 3 | TRP is Blue Pilled AFI personally know plenty of "normal success rate" guys who incorporated some version of TRP or PUA in their lives and saw a big difference. And you can read about tons more online. And you can find numerous guys who make a living off of selling something similar to those guys, which is only possible if the whole thing doesn't fizzle out the moment some dudes try it and blast it on the internet. There are really only two possibilities here: All this manosphere stuff is a mass delusion affecting m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 05:31 AM |
| 2 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"It's just sad to think someone you were enjoying took you out of you their life, regardless of their reasons. That's true, but if you really saw them as a friend you wouldn't prioritize your own happiness over theirs. You'd realize that them being around you kind of sucks for them, and you'd be glad to let them keep their distance for a while, even if that meant you sacrificed some fun times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 05:22 AM |
| 1 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"I've always experienced it as "friends first"... a "friend" where there's an inkling of sexual tension which then builds and builds. But as a woman you only really see the "friends first" relationships that work. You don't see the guys who tried to be friends with you first only to fail at it. It's like someone who bought something over the phone from a cold call once and concludes that cold calling is a decent sales technique. It technically works, but you don't see all the countless failures i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 05:10 AM |
| 3 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"is a Nice Guy, and therefore a manipulative creep. And he gets labeled as such to their mutual friends. It's a "Nice friends you have there -- It'd be a shame if they thought you were an asshole" scenario. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 05:05 AM |
| 0 | CMV : Women who demand guys to stay in friendships after she rejects him are just as entitled and delusional as "niceguys^tm"They say that, he says no, he becomes the bad guy to their mutual friends. It's not an explicit demand, but it is a "Nice friends you got there -- it'd be a shame if they all thought you were an asshole". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 05:03 AM |
| 0 | Women are celebrated more than men for “getting over” and humiliating their exesWhat’s to be gained by screeching, complaining and criticizing your ex on social media or in person to anyone who will listen? Yet people do it, and do it often. It's pointless to go on about "who will listen" and "I'd look dumb" and "who wants to relive that" -- you're 100% right, but it's 100% irrelevant because the behavior you're saying has no logical justification does in fact happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 05:00 AM |
| 3 | Women are celebrated more than men for “getting over” and humiliating their exesYeah -- there are tons of trashy/hood/low class/dumb/dramatic people who do exactly this sort of thing. Anyone who thinks otherwise just lives in a UMC bubble. This isn't even a new phenomenon. Half of female country music is shitting on exes (the half that isn't crying over them). The people who listen to that (and the people who listen to the rap equivalent) aren't "just learning lessons and moving on with life". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 04:56 AM |
| 1 | TRP is Blue Pilled AFEh, you'll have someone chime in with that now and then, but it's no different than any forum that discusses fitness that much ("oh, you really want to get big?"). I've even seen a post about whether PEDs would help on /r/climbing, and that's about the least gym bro group you could find. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 04:39 AM |
| 2 | TRP is Blue Pilled AFMost people cant help but draw caricatures of what they don't understand. Great point. And ask yourself, which side here generally doesn't understand what the other is talking about? Is it: Red pillers, who grew up blue pill and only stumbled in to TRP after years of trying it the blue pill way? Or, Blue pillers, many of whom proudly admit they hardly read anything from TRP? Wonder which side could be talking about stuff they don't actually understand? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 04:37 AM |
| 1 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?That's clearly incorrect. See: Men of certain classes have always been more likely to get arrested and given longer sentences for similar crimes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 04:27 AM |
| 3 | Debate: Is dating an effortless activity or does it require effort?This is called "be her friend first" in the West, and it doesn't work unless you're attractive. Like most mainstream dating advice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 04:00 AM |
| 2 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?No, that's feudalism and early capitalism. The concept of patriarchy is largely a myth that ignores benevolent sexism towards women and the fact that the vast majority of men have historically had gender-based disadvantages, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 03:56 AM |
| 1 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?No there has not been systemic anti-male bias. Then why do men get arrested more, and serve longer sentences for similar crimes? Why have men historically been the only sex eligible for the draft? Why are men less likely to keep access to their kids in a divorce? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 03:50 AM |
| 2 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?'Not having to fight in wars' didn't mean women had it better than men!! Read. Did women have it worse -- in some areas, for some periods of time -- than men? Yes. And this: Do you realise how many women in history died or suffered serious injuries during/after pregnancy/childbirth? Is beyond irrelevant. Not only is it a hardship due to lack of technology, not prejudice against women, but it's also not an issue that affected women and women only. Any time a man suffered a serious injury (and who… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 03:49 AM |
| 4 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?He got to choose who he's married to. Less choice than she did. Middle and low class women weren't married off for social or political reasons; that's always been a high class phenomenon. Men still had to court women, women still had the option of accepting or declining. If he's unhappy with married sex he can go see a salon girl. And she could sleep with the mailman. He has the right to go west and take part in the frontier to at least try to strike it rich. Women could own and manage businesse… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 09:32 PM |
| 2 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?historically, women of all classes couldn't vote Sure. The point here is that women were not disadvantaged in that area relative to most men. Everyone had it worse, including men. we mean that if you control all other variables like class and wealth, the man will do better than his equal woman Take yourself back to, oh, the 1820s. What rights did a typical, non-landowner man have that a typical, non-landowner woman didn't? Ask yourself the same question for the 1920s. Did women have it worse -- … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 09:20 PM |
| 2 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?A de facto limitation on one's rights is still a limitation on one's rights, even if it's not explicitly written into law. Remember Brown v. Board of Education? Where "separate but equal" was thrown out because in practice "equal" meant better facilities for whites? That's the gist of the Court's finding -- that a de facto limitation on rights is still a limitation on rights, even if the law says they're equal in theory. And as /u/the_calibre_cat points out, it's not as if women are denied right… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 09:15 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultLines like "TRPer tries MarriedRP advice for a week, now plans to divorce wife of 20 years" This doesn't read at all like a joke, and in any case you're referring to linked post titles, not the text by the post's author. The post's author is making the straight-faced case that "TRP ruins relationships", not mocking or making fun. If someone is making a specific argument on PPD, they cannot fall back on "but it's satire!". But they do, in two forms: Blue piller says something about TRP that's ove… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 08:53 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultIf someone is engaging in good faith on this forum, I just don't see why it matters what they may post elsewhere. It matters because people who post a bunch of "joke" shit elsewhere are less likely to come here and debate in good faith, even if they appear to be operating in good faith right at the start. I'm sure some TBP power users come here and have good faith discussions, just like I'm sure some /r/the_donald superstars go and have good faith discussions in other political subs. But the odd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 08:39 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultI don't see anyone holding such beliefs here. Come on, now. Search your feelings. You know it to be true. Here's a great post highlighting how it's fine to talk about men's shortcomings but forbidden to talk about women's. Try this one on for size: Research has found that men are superior to women in most ways that will count in the future, and it isn’t just a matter of culture or upbringing—although both play their roles. It is also biology and the aspects of thought and feeling shaped by biolo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 08:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultit's not the argument that's the same - it's the topic No, the arguments are exactly the same in many cases, too. Look at the top post on TBP, which has been stickied to the top for years. This very clearly isn't satire, or a joke of any kind. It's a straight-faced argument about why TRP is bad, and contains links to many other straight-faced arguments about why TRP is bad. And that exact same stuff is posted over here. Similarly, you'll see circlejerking and dishonest arguments on here that wou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 08:16 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultIf I share an article from the Onion on Facebook, am I not allowed to ever participate in a serious political discussion? No one is saying that. The argument is that if you make a bunch of "jokes" on one forum (that aren't really jokes, but thinly-veiled hate that you call jokes so you and your compatriots can avoid feeling like hateful assholes) and then come to a more serious discussion with basically the same content (or exactly the same, in the case of "highlight reels"), you shouldn't be su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 08:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultBut they're the exact same arguments, in the case of TRP "highlight reels". Pages and pages of identical material down to the letter. Either TBP is being serious when the post those on their own sub, or they should be widely recognized as a joke that doesn't really reflect reality on here. Can't have it both ways. It's not someone making a joke in one place and making a different, serious point somewhere else; they're posting the exact same stuff in two places and claiming on one hand it's for r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 07:59 PM |
| 2 | What behaviors do men tolerate in women that women would never tolerate in men?no man here has ever lived with another man as a wife or a girlfriend, and is therefore in no position to have ever observed the kind of shit that women put up with Anyone who lived with their parents growing up has observed at least some of what men and women will tolerate from each other in a relationship. It's not hard to observe this in other couples, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:59 PM |
| 2 | What behaviors do men tolerate in women that women would never tolerate in men?That's not correct. A gold digger is a woman who's only with a man for his (notable) wealth. A woman who rejects a man because he's content to work 30 hours a week and live in a shitty apartment is normal. He's not "husband material" because he doesn't want to take a job he hates to pay for shit he doesn't want. No one is calling a woman who turns that down a gold digger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:55 PM |
| 6 | What behaviors do men tolerate in women that women would never tolerate in men?Average men will tolerate a lot more out of average women than average women will tolerate out of average men. If a woman is moderately attractive she'll get way more leeway from average men; a man has to be extremely attractive (and not just physically) for a woman to tolerate as much from him. It's just the logical consequences of women being in higher demand than men, because men have higher sex drives. Women can get away with more because most of them have options, even if they're not models… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:51 PM |
| 5 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?we're not talking about biases or relative difficulty or tacit privilege, we're talking about rights. We're talking about both, because both matter. And you can't handwave a problem as serious as men getting more lengthy sentences for the same crime as "tacit privilege"; it very clearly shows an institutional bias against men, which is a de facto limitation on their rights. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:43 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultThey may not explicitly state it, but this type of thinking isn't exactly a foreign concept here. Plenty of people on here treat even basic observations about the differences between men and women as misogyny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:40 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own fault"Normal guys" e.g. with normal BMI and a decent social circle will indeed just meet women at regular social gathering that family or friends set up. Another problem with blue pillers, perhaps an even bigger one than their belief in the Just World Fallacy: They have no realistic concept of what a "normal" guy is like. In the U.S., 70% of men are overweight or obese. So when you say that a "normal" guy has a normal (presumably healthy) BMI, you're automatically thinking of guys who are considerabl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:38 PM |
| 1 | Issues with the Red PillI don't think the majority of them are that hateful although some probably are. That's reasonable, but note that this criticism applies to every big group. Most criticisms of TRP are really criticisms of group dynamics. They're valid, but let's not pretend they're exclusive to TRP, and that our own groups are immune to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:34 PM |
| 3 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?I'm not saying no man has ever been denied rights, I'm saying they haven't been denied rights because they are men. This is like arguing that black people were never truly disadvantaged in the U.S. because black people could become free and wealthy, even before the Civil War. If that's possible, then they were never discriminated against due to the color of their skin, right? There's always been anti-male bias in certain areas of society, just like there's always been anti-black bias in certain … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:32 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultIt's almost like people are able to distinguish satire from seriousness. Except the exact same posts -- TRP "highlight reels" -- are used "satirically" in TBP and seriously here. It's absurd to claim there's a difference when people post literally the same thing in both places. Is it really hard to believe that someone could be satirical sometimes and serious other times? If you post thinly-veiled hate "satire" on TBP all day and then put on your big boy pants and want to be taken seriously here… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:26 PM |
| 2 | Issues with the Red PillYes and those people are loud and many. So what would you call the numerous, highly-upvoted comments in the thread I linked to? yes TRP is about maximizing male interest to the expense of women Even people who believe this believe it because they think sexual interactions are a zero-sum game. It's like someone describing selling a home as "benefiting the realtor at the expense of the buyer". It's true if you look at the exchange in the context of certain fundamental beliefs, but it doesn't mean … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:13 PM |
| 2 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?Here's the difference between the two groups: Feminism started as a movement with legitimate grievances about how society treated women. They couldn't vote, they faced rampant discrimination at work, if they were in an abusive marriage it was hard for them to escape, they didn't have abortion rights, etc., etc., etc. Those grievances have largely been addressed at this point. Feminism today is taking issue with smaller and smaller "problems" (even they recognize that these are "micro"-aggression… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:07 PM |
| 11 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?Historically, men of certain classes couldn't vote. Men of certain classes have always been more likely to get arrested and given longer sentences for similar crimes. Men of certain classes have always been less likely to get access to their kids in a divorce, and more likely to get saddled with financial penalties that go far beyond anything reasonable. When people say "men have historically been privileged" what they really mean is "the rich, but especially rich men, have historically been pri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 05:51 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultDo you believe that someone who robs a liquor store every week is likely to wind up in jail? Because by your logic, you then believe in the Just World Fallacy. Obviously one can believe that certain causes have certain reasonable effects without succumbing to Just World thinking. What separates that from reasonable cause-effect thinking is if there's some logic behind the cause-effect relationship. Believe that frequent criminals are likely to be arrested? There's logic behind that, because soci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 05:42 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The main failing of TBP is their belief in the just world hypothesis, where anyone can succeed and failure is solely one's own faultIf you're talking about /TBP, that's just a shitshow "satire" sub. You can safely ignore it for any meaningful analysis, as it's rather scarce there. Except people who post "satire" on TBP also post on here and want to be taken seriously. And people on here frequently post TBP's "highlight reels" in the middle of a discussion and want those to be taken seriously. It's the Jon Stewart Defense. When it's to their advantage to be taken seriously, they claim that they're serious and that they're mak… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 05:33 PM |
| 2 | Issues with the Red PillWhere? Look at the top 4-5 comments on this thread. They're all some version of "you don't have to screw women over to get what you want". Some of them have literally told me RP is about maximizing male interests at the expense of women's. You can always find "some" people who will say anything, in any large group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 05:18 PM |
| 0 | Don't complain about NiceGuysTM if you're a TimeHoeTMThey also know it because there's no shortage of adults and media that scream "ALL MEN WANT IS SEX" at them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 07:20 AM |
| 2 | Don't complain about NiceGuysTM if you're a TimeHoeTMThis is classic "I don't do it, and my friends don't (blatantly) do it, so it must not exist" logic. It's absurd to think that despite so much free stuff being dangled in front of women none of them take advantage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 07:17 AM |
| 0 | Don't complain about NiceGuysTM if you're a TimeHoeTMHey, she should have been strong enough to fight off her rapist! Are you trying to tell me that just because a bunch of weak-armed women are easily raped, men are bad? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 07:11 AM |
| 1 | Don't complain about NiceGuysTM if you're a TimeHoeTMso when guys find themselves being used by a female friend as an "emotional tampon" it's not some kind of unique treatment. girls are all each other's emotional tampons as a matter of course. he expects sexual favors because to him, his emotional involvement has gone beyond his concept of friendship and into relationship territory. The question is: Who's at fault for this misunderstanding? Is it the man's fault for not understanding how female friendship works, or the woman's fault for not under… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 07:07 AM |
| 4 | Issues with the Red Pillthe concept behind TRP is to gain an advantage at a woman's expense The concept behind TRP is to gain an advantage for men. It's pretty easy to do this without it coming at a woman's expense, and there's plenty of TRP advice that points that out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 07:00 AM |
| 1 | Issues with the Red PillUseful =/= feels good. If I give you advice to assume that a cop wants to pull you over if he's flashing his lights behind you on the highway, that advice may not be true all the time (maybe he's rushing to an emergency elsewhere) but it's sure as hell useful. Feelings aren't even part of the conversation. But you've been around here long enough to know this; you're just trolling. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:55 AM |
| 1 | Women Initiate Divorce Much More Than Men, Here's WhyYour friend is about to go to a job interview. You think he's a little underqualified, but you tell him he's a great candidate and that they'll love him, because you want him to be confident. Did you lie? You're coaching Little League baseball and you tell your infielders that if there are two outs and the ball goes to them, the best decision is always to throw it to first. You know that's not the best decision in every conceivable scenario, but you say it because it's a good heuristic. Did you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:34 AM |
| 1 | Women Initiate Divorce Much More Than Men, Here's WhyIt makes no sense whatsoever for men to "want their girlfriend to initiate the break up" if they "want" to keep getting "bad" sex. People don't make sense all the time. They have conflicted feelings. They dream about what life would be like if things were different but don't go out and make them different because they're afraid of change. Staying in a bad relationship means more sex than having no relationship at all, so guys mentally justify sticking around. But they also try to talk themselves… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 06:14 AM |
| 3 | more Nice Guys: Why is its women's "fault" for being "friends" with men who offer friendship if those men never make a move?But it's not mean to keep a guy in a perpetual state of unsatisfied longing? When a guy is orbiting a woman, she has three options: Go on a date with him, and see what that's like. Tell him she doesn't feel that way about him, and create some distance. Friendzone him. She doesn't want to do (1) in this scenario, but both (2) and (3) are mean. She picks (3) over (2) because (2) requires some form of confrontation, puts her in a position to be seen as the bad guy, and leaves her with no plausible … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 05:38 AM |
| 1 | more Nice Guys: Why is its women's "fault" for being "friends" with men who offer friendship if those men never make a move?When someone develops feelings you have to end the friendship. The best way to handle this situation is to: Play it cool when you get rejected Continue to do friend stuff, just slowly fade away because you get busy doing something more productive Maintain occasional contact if you want With only marginal effort you avoid a lot of potential for social mess. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 05:25 AM |
| 7 | more Nice Guys: Why is its women's "fault" for being "friends" with men who offer friendship if those men never make a move?You bring up a crucial point in this discussion: Age. At 16 it's understandable for a woman to accidentally lead a guy on. At 21 that "accidentally" part becomes far less believable. At 30 it's ridiculous to think she doesn't know what she's doing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 05:20 AM |
| 5 | more Nice Guys: Why is its women's "fault" for being "friends" with men who offer friendship if those men never make a move?Also, the guy does make moves on her, and she gives ambiguous or even encouraging responses in order to keep him in a perpetual state of pursuit. It's the same thing guys do when they avoid the relationship talk and conceal his intentions in order to keep getting sex without commitment. The key here is that they know what they're avoiding, even if it isn't spoken plainly. When you make a conscious decision (avoiding a topic you know the other party wants to discuss) you carry at least some respo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Once A Cheater, Always A Cheater? Marriage Therapists Weigh InHow is taking someone's life at all similar to sleeping with a person you weren't supposed to sleep with? Obviously lesser transgressions are more forgivable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/17 09:05 AM |
| 5 | Two very different takeaway posts on r/TRPI feel that bettering yourself for the purpose of enhancing your success with women is somewhat short sighted, and that's where TRP fails. This is a nice sentiment, but it doesn't survive contact with reality. Most people aren't zen masters who are completely comfortable with all aspects of themselves. They struggle with improving themselves simply for the sake of self-improvement because improving oneself takes work, and there are a lot of highly entertaining diversions that are a whole lot eas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/17 09:00 AM |
| 27 | Two very different takeaway posts on r/TRPWomen are not inherently evil. you will have a much healthier appreciation for women Don't treat a girl like a robot. They are human beings. They are extremely different in their interests, goals, passions, desires, idiosyncrasies, etc. 6's and 7's can often be a lot more fun to hang out with and sleep with than perfect 10's. Have good grooming, work out, dress nice, and take pride in your appearance. Try to drive a nice car, have a nice place and have a decent job - that doesn't mean you should… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/17 08:01 AM |
| 2 | CMV: If "freezing up" is real, women shouldn't be able to legally consent unless a psychologist will certify that she won't freeze up and lose the ability to say "no" when appropriate.Why would I be? In what context? What am I doing out in public where there aren't, you know, members of the public nearby? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/17 05:26 AM |
| 2 | Article: What I Hate About Dating Women vs What I Hate About Dating MenSure, not all women, but a lot of women. Enough women. Sums up every discussion on AWALT. Men will knock out all this hurtful shit, but when push comes to shove, sometimes they don’t actually care. Men say all sorts of offensive shit and only mean a handful of it. This is why criticizing offensive male speech isn't very persuasive; anyone who has spent any time around men knows there's a good chance it was a joke or boast. That's just how men talk. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 11:01 PM |
| 1 | Regarding consent: What about the situation where the girl displays verbal/nonverbal resistance, but then at some point after that starts to consent?the implication is that she'd rather not fuck on a couch with hypothetical people around, not that she's shutting down the idea of intimacy with this hypothetical dude. How does he know that in the moment? For every situation where they go somewhere private and have sex, there are plenty of situations where they stop and don't go any further. Maybe she just decides she's not that into him? Or is fine with making out but not sex? The point is that you can't simply say "this was a temporary pause,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 10:54 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If "freezing up" is real, women shouldn't be able to legally consent unless a psychologist will certify that she won't freeze up and lose the ability to say "no" when appropriate.All it takes is an accusation to ruin a guy's life. It's ridiculous to use conviction as a standard when we live in the society we do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 10:50 PM |
| 11 | CMV: If "freezing up" is real, women shouldn't be able to legally consent unless a psychologist will certify that she won't freeze up and lose the ability to say "no" when appropriate.No, people are worried about being accused of rape when they did nothing objectionable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 10:46 PM |
| 3 | CMV: If "freezing up" is real, women shouldn't be able to legally consent unless a psychologist will certify that she won't freeze up and lose the ability to say "no" when appropriate.If a 6'4" male came up to you with a baseball bat and demanded you hand over your wallet, how would you react? I would clearly, loudly tell him "no", and if that didn't summon someone nearby to help I'd yell it louder. And yes, there would be someone nearby, because I sure as hell wouldn't voluntarily be alone with a huge man who I thought might become violent. That'd be dumb. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 10:46 PM |
| 2 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviormen making leery comments, touching us, kissing us, anything short of actual rape You're trying to have it both ways. Pick one and only one: Is this behavior a big deal? Is it a huge problem, that's emotionally scarring, that has a massive negative impact on your life? Or, Is it not that big of deal? Is it a minor inconvenience that's manageable and undesirable, but not all that horrible. If it's (1), you should be yelling and screaming and fighting back when this happens, no excuses. That's the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 10:40 PM |
| 0 | The real question: if women "freeze up" in fear of unwanted sex, arent comfortable saying no, or are too afraid to then...Well when you don't even say no -- the easiest possible response that will succeed 99% of the time -- it's hard to get behind an alternate plan that criminalizes normal sexual behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 10:34 PM |
| 1 | The real question: if women "freeze up" in fear of unwanted sex, arent comfortable saying no, or are too afraid to then...There's a massive difference between "harder to determine" and "not possible". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorSometimes the guy doesn't do something "serious". OK, then like I said -- the situation isn't that undesirable. So what's the problem? Either it's a big deal and warrants a big response or it's not a big deal and awkwardly trying to handle it quietly is an acceptable course of action. "That sucks" and having to deal with minor social inconveniences is just called life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 10:32 PM |
| 1 | Regarding consent: What about the situation where the girl displays verbal/nonverbal resistance, but then at some point after that starts to consent?that isn't really a retraction of consent, is it? She's refusing to kiss him at one point, no? It seems more like an agreed upon change of locale for the sake of privacy. There are plenty of situations where there's no explicit agreement, verbal or otherwise. He'll either just take her hand and lead her away or offer some flimsy excuse to go somewhere more private. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 10:29 PM |
| 2 | The real question: if women "freeze up" in fear of unwanted sex, arent comfortable saying no, or are too afraid to then...Of course not everyone is going to respond the best way all the time. The point here is that saying "no" is something we reasonably expect children to be able to handle. Saying women can't handle what we expect of children is incredibly insulting; blue pillers bitch about this exact topic all the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 02:59 PM |
| 3 | Do women partially contribute to "toxic masculinity"?That's not a bad option, either. It really depends on how much you like her/how good the rest of your options are. If you have other quality options, there's no reason to put up with someone so rude. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 02:56 PM |
| 1 | Regarding consent: What about the situation where the girl displays verbal/nonverbal resistance, but then at some point after that starts to consent?That's a bit too optimistic for me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 02:53 PM |
| 1 | The real question: if women "freeze up" in fear of unwanted sex, arent comfortable saying no, or are too afraid to then...Also, I don't think anyone thinks her being drunk invalidates her consent, unless she passes out. Did you see this thread? From the National Sexual Violence Resource Center: When drugs, such as alcohol, are involved, clear consent is not possible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 02:48 PM |
| 9 | The real question: if women "freeze up" in fear of unwanted sex, arent comfortable saying no, or are too afraid to then...The whole idea of intoxication invalidating consent is an argument that women shouldn't need to be responsible for their actions. If you drive a car when you're drunk you're responsible for your actions. If you mouth off to your boss when you're drunk you're responsible for your actions. If you get in a fight when you're drunk when you're responsible for your actions. But if you're a woman and you agree to sex when you're drunk? Suddenly a huge chunk of society wants to not only let you her off … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 06:42 AM |
| 1 | Regarding consent: What about the situation where the girl displays verbal/nonverbal resistance, but then at some point after that starts to consent?It'll matter if you ever have kids who go to college, or if any of your family does, or if any of your friends do. Or it'll matter as kids who drink the affirmative consent kool-aid grow up and become politicians and lawyers and make this nonsense into laws. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 06:15 AM |
| 5 | The real question: if women "freeze up" in fear of unwanted sex, arent comfortable saying no, or are too afraid to then...As I said in the other thread, one of the first things children are taught when they start to go out in public is to yell and scream and say "no no no" if a bad stranger tries to touch them. People who think that's too much to expect of women are literally saying women should be held to a lower standard than children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:34 AM |
| 4 | Regarding consent: What about the situation where the girl displays verbal/nonverbal resistance, but then at some point after that starts to consent?No mention of him not stopping, either. I'm not going to argue with you about the "specifics" of one sentence; obviously it's not detailed enough to make the sweeping claim you made. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:31 AM |
| 3 | Regarding consent: What about the situation where the girl displays verbal/nonverbal resistance, but then at some point after that starts to consent?That's more along the lines of PUA advice; TRP advice is a bit more cautious. In short, part of TRP says not to even bother with LMR (there are more interested women out there, it's not worth the risk) and part says to clearly, verbally put the controls in her hands ("if you say 'stop', I'll stop"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:29 AM |
| 3 | Regarding consent: What about the situation where the girl displays verbal/nonverbal resistance, but then at some point after that starts to consent?That could describe hundreds of specific scenarios, mine included. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:27 AM |
| 1 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorOkay, but what if the guy is a guy you like and hope to date in the future? If it's as bad as you suggest, do you really want to date that guy? We're talking about potentially being raped here. But sure, for the sake of argument, let's entertain this idea. If you have to get mad and say "NO I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT", that's an awkward confrontation and you can never talk again... Many people have trouble establishing their limits. So get better at establishing limits without forcing an awkward co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:26 AM |
| 1 | Regarding consent: What about the situation where the girl displays verbal/nonverbal resistance, but then at some point after that starts to consent?OP doesn't describe any scenario. You're seeing what you want to see here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:19 AM |
| 3 | Regarding consent: What about the situation where the girl displays verbal/nonverbal resistance, but then at some point after that starts to consent?Here's a scenario: Man and woman are out at a house party Man and woman hit it off, start dancing, kiss a bit Woman stops kissing after just a little, because she doesn't want to be making out with a guy and getting handsy in the middle of a party Man leads woman to a bedroom and they start kissing again, then have sex This exact scenario happens countless times every Friday and Saturday night. It's obvious resistance and the guy eventually keeps going. It's not rape, nor is it anywhere close. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:17 AM |
| 1 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorYou say things like "I'm not sure about anal" This is the problem: Half-assed half-nos. You can't say "I'm not sure" and claim you're communicating clearly -- you aren't even saying "no"! It's unbelievable to me that women claim to be so uncomfortable giving a clear, unambiguous "no". Do you buy everything some jabroni salesman hawks at you just because you can't say no? Do you stop and hand out money to every panhandler just because you can't say no? Of course not; you're an adult and can make … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:12 AM |
| 3 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorIt's like "polite no" means yes, "angry I'll fight you no" means no. Blame this on women who feign disinterest when they're really attracted. It sucks because sometimes you want to say no, but keep things civil without causing a scene nor severing the relationship forever. If stuff like "not causing a scene" is on your mind, it's hard to believe the situation is that undesirable. If it's really that bad, who the hell cares if you cause a scene? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:08 AM |
| 1 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorIt's as baseless as the assertion that the freeze response lasts any appreciable length of time. Link to a study that shows that if you're going to start asking for evidence from the other side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 01:26 AM |
| 5 | Do women partially contribute to "toxic masculinity"?lying + standing people up would ruin online dating. It already happens. And if you get stood up enough, you'll start to wonder why. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 12:31 AM |
| 7 | Do women partially contribute to "toxic masculinity"?She's allowed to have her preferences, and you're allowed to lie and not show up. Maybe if it happens enough times to her she'll get it through her head that asking that sort of question is as rude as asking how much someone weighs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 12:03 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Can you read nonverbal cues?But the same goes for much of verbal communication as well. There's a much smaller margin for error with verbal communication. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 08:35 PM |
| 7 | Do women partially contribute to "toxic masculinity"?Though I've had women who've literally blocked me on Tinder just for stating I'm 5'10" Say you're 6'4", make a date, stand her up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 08:29 PM |
| 15 | Do women partially contribute to "toxic masculinity"?It's only a mystery if you buy into feminist nonsense that says women only want good, clean, friendly, over-communicating, non-threatening, nice men who only approach when desired. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 08:28 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Can you read nonverbal cues?There is a correlation, but it only holds about 60% of the time. Short of her saying she wants to sleep with you or making a real, physical move, there's no sure thing (or even anything close). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 08:04 PM |
| 4 | Q4Men: Can you read nonverbal cues?Like let's say someone really wants to do something but they're also nervous because it's a strange situation with some degree of risk. Or they really want to do something, but are: Cold Tired A few drinks in Not half as forward as they think they're being Nervous about something largely unrelated Or maybe they don't want to do something/aren't even thinking about it, but are: Friendly A few drinks in Unable to pick up on all the signals coming from the other party In a good mood for an unrelate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 07:15 PM |
| 0 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorAll you did is skim for the first thing you agree with, clearly. Why are you here if you're just going to ignore the other side of the argument? The vast, vast majority of people aren't going to lure women into their apartment with normal behavior and then immediately flip a switch and become threatening, and unless the guy is a complete stranger it's even more unlikely he'd be able to hide that aspect of his personality beforehand. Getting angry enough to threaten violence is a gradual process.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Can you read nonverbal cues?Body language is largely useless, because: Most people don't use it consciously, and Even if you read their body language correctly, it's trivially easy to be mistaken about the cause of that body language. This goes for both men and women, but the focus here is men reading women's body language, so let's stick with that. I've had women who seem standoffish respond enthusiastically when I've went to kiss them, just like I've had women who seem like they're waiting to be kissed peel back and ask … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 06:55 PM |
| 0 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorWomen are at an increased risk for violence or just straight up shaming when rejecting men. Except there's no good reason why a woman would choose to be alone with a man she fears may become violent. And it's hilarious how you include "straight up" shaming in that sentence as if it's on the same level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 06:28 PM |
| 3 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorBetas = unattractive men. Women don't want sexual attention from unattractive men. It's "creepy". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 06:25 PM |
| 2 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorA lot of women say no and have men interpret that as "convince me". There's a big difference between a demure "not really" and the "NO I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT" the OP is suggesting. A hard no is correctly interpreted in just about every situation with almost zero repetition needed. Try this: Walk into any sorts of sales environment with free samples and salespeople who can get a little pushy. A department store perfume/makeup section, a car dealership, an electronics store, whatever. When someon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 06:24 PM |
| 5 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorWhy can't women just say "NO STOP DOING THAT I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT" and then leave? This is literally what we teach children to do when a bad stranger wants to talk to them. Any idiot in here saying that requiring this is unreasonable is saying we should expect less of women than of children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 06:19 PM |
| 3 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorBut, like I said, the VAST majority of guys find that kind of forthrightness repugnant in a woman. I've never heard of this nor experienced it in an LTR. I have heard of an experienced the opposite -- women overtly asking or starting sex -- and just about every guy is either fine with it or enjoys it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 06:15 PM |
| 1 | Consent guide from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center states consent can only be obtained by asking.Christ -- did I say that? No, I don't expect you to care equally about every possible problem. I expect any decent human being -- presumably you count yourself as one -- to at least recognize problems that will have an impact on society and just be a bit more conscious about not actively making those problems worse. It's not that hard to do better than "fuck it, not my problem". You obviously don't believe in that mentality if you give a damn about global warming; would you want your kids to thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 06:10 PM |
| 1 | Consent guide from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center states consent can only be obtained by asking.And global warming may take 50+ years to have any discernible effect on you or your kids, yet you're (rightly) concerned about it. Why the inconsistency? And doesn't "who cares, not my problem" strike you as somewhat less than the ideal way to live? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/17 08:08 AM |
| 1 | Consent guide from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center states consent can only be obtained by asking.Wow! No one on here has ever seen that before! It's completely self-explanatory and totally refutes anything and everything all TRPers have ever said. You win the internet today! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 10:31 PM |
| 1 | Consent guide from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center states consent can only be obtained by asking.Yes, because global warming will have a direct effect on me. You said: If it doesn't apply directly to my life right now, yes, it is irrelevant to me at this time. Global warming is not affecting you (much less directly affecting you) right now. You're concerned about it because it will presumably affect your life in the future. So you do indeed care about more than what "applies directly to [your] life right now". This is completely rational -- we'd be better off if everyone was so thoughtful a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 10:28 PM |
| 1 | Consent guide from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center states consent can only be obtained by asking.If it doesn't apply directly to my life right now, yes, it is irrelevant to me at this time. Do you think global warming is a problem? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 10:02 PM |
| 3 | Consent guide from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center states consent can only be obtained by asking.This doesn't have any enforceability, but where do future laws come from? They start out in the policy sphere, which is made up of stuff like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:57 PM |
| 3 | Consent guide from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center states consent can only be obtained by asking.This stuff doesn't matter. Do you plan on having kids, and sending them to school? "This doesn't apply directly to my life right now, so it must be irrelevant" is horrible logic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:54 PM |
| 2 | Consent guide from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center states consent can only be obtained by asking.I mean, the red pill literally believes From your comments in this thread it's quite clear you don't understand this material well enough to speak to this. You didn't even read the OP or the guy you're replying to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:47 PM |
| 2 | NOT A GOTCHA: please link me to any college or criminal rape case in which the womans sole claim was "i was drunk" or it was a bald claim that "he raped me" with no other evidence and the man was disciplined, expelled, jailed or lost the caseHow is your link in any way relevant to: Your claim that "TRPers and others [should] stop seeing women as the enemy", or My claim that this is gaslighting? It's not, so of course I'm going to ignore it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:34 PM |
| 1 | If a woman is okay with attractive men disrespecting them and/or overstepping social bounds, she can't complain about patriarchy/oppression when unattractive men do the same thingit does sound like OP is trying to dictate exactly what people can or cannot do That's ridiculous -- this is just how people talk. Imagine you're telling a story about a bad driver to a friend; someone cut you off in traffic. You might phrase it as "you can't just swerve over into my lane without signaling". Is your friend going to reply that no, technically they can do that, and that you're trying to dictate to that anonymous driver what they can and cannot do? Of course not; that'd be absurd. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:31 PM |
| 1 | NOT A GOTCHA: please link me to any college or criminal rape case in which the womans sole claim was "i was drunk" or it was a bald claim that "he raped me" with no other evidence and the man was disciplined, expelled, jailed or lost the casepeople are making that specific claim, i.e. men are jailed/expelled for a woman simply claiming she was raped. And there are already examples of that in this thread. If OP's argument is that this stuff doesn't happen, she's wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:26 PM |
| 3 | NOT A GOTCHA: please link me to any college or criminal rape case in which the womans sole claim was "i was drunk" or it was a bald claim that "he raped me" with no other evidence and the man was disciplined, expelled, jailed or lost the caseTo manipulate someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity is gaslighting. Yes, and telling a group that's constantly berated by the mainstream that it's their fault and that they're the source of social friction fits that description. a broad social and political philosophy Grandiose language isn't impressive. If TRP is just about getting laid, feminism is just a women's interest group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:21 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.There is actually a push within feminist circles to correct other feminists who incorrectly claim it is "1-in-5 will be raped" because inaccuracy undermines the cause. Do you have an article or link on this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:18 PM |
| 1 | If a woman is okay with attractive men disrespecting them and/or overstepping social bounds, she can't complain about patriarchy/oppression when unattractive men do the same thinghow about if my brother sends me a random "I love you" text? I like when he does that, but if my colleague did the same, that would be very inappropriate. You have a personal relationship with your brother; he's family. You don't have a personal relationship with your colleague; he's not family. This isn't hard. OP is claiming that it's hypocritical to not treat every single person in exactly the same manner No, he's not. He's claiming it's hypocritical to treat attractive strangers far, far dif… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:11 PM |
| 2 | NOT A GOTCHA: please link me to any college or criminal rape case in which the womans sole claim was "i was drunk" or it was a bald claim that "he raped me" with no other evidence and the man was disciplined, expelled, jailed or lost the caseIf TRPers and others would stop seeing women as the enemy and work towards solutions rather than just hating, fearing, despising, denigrating, and dismissing women Classic gaslighting. Take a group that's harassed and derided by the mainstream and claim they're the ones who need to extend and olive branch and "work towards solutions". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:08 PM |
| 4 | NOT A GOTCHA: please link me to any college or criminal rape case in which the womans sole claim was "i was drunk" or it was a bald claim that "he raped me" with no other evidence and the man was disciplined, expelled, jailed or lost the caseCONVICTED and EXPELLED Why is this the standard? Isn't having your life ruined enough of a problem without either of these? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 09:05 PM |
| 1 | If a woman is okay with attractive men disrespecting them and/or overstepping social bounds, she can't complain about patriarchy/oppression when unattractive men do the same thingYou're the one ignoring context here. When your brother calls you an idiot (and you laugh at it) you know it's a joke. If you're offended that your boss or whoever calls you an idiot, it's because you know he isn't joking; he's just being an ass. If your brother is an ass to you you'll get upset, and if your boss is joking with you you'll probably laugh. That's the relevant context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 05:23 PM |
| 1 | If a woman is okay with attractive men disrespecting them and/or overstepping social bounds, she can't complain about patriarchy/oppression when unattractive men do the same thingExactly. Ignoring how language works is a poor argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 05:08 PM |
| 25 | If a woman is okay with attractive men disrespecting them and/or overstepping social bounds, she can't complain about patriarchy/oppression when unattractive men do the same thingthese recent posts about "you can't be a hypocrite!" are nonsense. be a hypocrite all you want, no one can stop you What a ridiculous straw man. No one is claiming that hypocrites should be "stopped". Obviously they can say whatever they want. The point of these "that's hypocritical" arguments is to demonstrate that the other side isn't coming from a place of reason; that they're simply picking and choosing what's good for them and rationalizing backwards from there. "I can be a hypocrite all I … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 07:16 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.the prosecution does not have to establish "lack of consent". forcible compulsion IS lack of consent. Why even have "without the consent of the other" in the law, then? It seems like the law requires the state to prove that element specifically, as lack of consent is at the heart of the matter. At least I'd imagine that's how it's argued. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 07:11 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.you dont have to prove it was consensual, the state has to prove it WASNT... CONSENT is an AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE that shifts the burden of proof onto the defendant I guess there's a bit of daylight between "prosecution didn't establish lack of consent" and "defense arguing that the sex was consensual", although I imagine in practice a lot of the arguments against the prosecution's non-consent case would involve arguing that it was actually consensual. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 05:51 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.you have to prove every element of the crime charged to the level of the requisite evidentiary standard... (1) engage in vaginal intercourse with another by force, or the threat of force, without the consent of the other; OK, section (a)(1) -- "without the consent of the other". Doesn't this mean that the prosecution has to prove there was no consent? I'm not trying to be obstinate here; I just don't see how a guy accused of rape is required to prove it was consensual under current laws. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 05:37 PM |
| 5 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.This is like arguing that "assault" is a blanket term under which "murder" falls. It's technically true, but leads to the implication that the more severe, rarer crime is a lot more common than it actually is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 05:32 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.Take this scenario: Man and woman have sex Woman contacts authorities and claims she was raped Case goes to court It seems obvious to me -- and it seems like this is certainly the case in Maryland, at least -- that a major part of the prosecution's argument has to center around the sex not being consensual. They have to establish that a crime occurred, right? I don't think they can just get the defendant to acknowledge that sex happened and then sit back and make him prove it was consensual. If … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 05:28 PM |
| 6 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.His point is that the two terms are often used interchangeably in the service of fuzzy math. Feminists will take the small percentage of people who are raped (X), add the relatively larger percentage of people who are sexually assaulted (Y), then say "X + Y percent of people are raped or sexually assaulted!". By associating the more serious crime (rape) with as large of figure as possible (the figure for sexual assaults) and then using the terms "rape" and "sexual assault" interchangeably in man… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 05:12 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.If you're not addressing a point of disagreement, you're either circlejerking or railing against a straw man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 05:05 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.I don't think that's correct, at least not in all states. In Maryland, for example, it appears that the prosecution has to establish that the victim did not give consent: The signing of the “no means no” bill comes just months after the Maryland Coalition Against Sexual Assault completed an audit of three years of sexual assault cases in Baltimore County that failed to move forward. Jordan said of the 124 cases the coalition reviewed, 42 were discharged because of a failure to demonstrate physi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 05:03 PM |
| 3 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.Except that's the only point of view that matters here. Almost no one (certainly no one I've seen on this thread) has a problem with asking guys to make sure their partner is into it. The problem is when that imperative is put into law, and not following it well enough has the power to put someone behind bars. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 04:47 PM |
| 8 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.legally, no he doesn't, the jury has to believe it indicated affirmative consent. It definitely changes how you would make a case to a jury. If the law is that there has to be a "no" to indicate lack of consent (or even that there has to be physical resistance, as is the law in some jurisdictions) then the implicit assumption is that the encounter is consensual; it's the null hypothesis. Changing the law to mandate that there has to be a "yes" or some form of poorly-defined non-verbal consent ch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 04:35 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.But there's a big difference between proving "she didn't say no" and proving "based on my assessment of her non-verbal signals, she consented". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 04:10 PM |
| 8 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.If he's groping my breast and I'm kissing him and touching him back, that falls under "actively touching someone" etc that OP gave as an example. Think of how this would come across in court, though. Attorney: "You didn't ask to put your hand down her pants, did you?" Defendant: "Well no -- she seemed into it." Attorney: "So when you stuck your fingers inside of her you had not received consent, correct?" Defendant: "I mean, she was still kissing me." Attorney: "You were on top of her, correct?"… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 04:06 PM |
| 5 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.Which is laughable. You really think "she seemed into it" is going to come across well in court? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 03:57 PM |
| 7 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.There's no burden flipping. The burden (not in legal terms, of course) is shifting from She has to say no, to He has to get a reaction from her, and hope he reads it correctly. The problem is that while the first is crystal clear -- "no means no" -- the latter opens the door to all sorts of confusion, especially when non-verbal behavior comes into play. If she says yes, is that a yes to taking her shirt off, or a yes to foreplay? Is is it a yes to just foreplay, or to sex, too? Is it yes to a mi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 03:55 PM |
| 4 | Millennials and Boobs: They Just Don't Like Themeverything is made for women with wide hips and A/B cups I'd say this is more of a response to the obesity epidemic than it is to a wide-ranging change in what men find desirable. Women who a few decades ago were petite are now short but 140 pounds. That extra weight settles mostly around the hips, so designers adapt and make clothing tailored to that shape. It's the same reason a lot of off-the-rack men's clothing is baggy. It's not that women like that look; it's that fat men don't want pants … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 11:16 PM |
| 7 | Q4RP: How many of you think that it's hypocritical/ironic if a feminist woman likes rough sex?So by your logic, a feminist who likes rough sex would be: A low-value woman who doesn't actually care about feminist talking points. She's a bitter social outcast who lacks the mental capacity and discipline to be successful and is using how much certain men like to have rough sex to make up for the fact she can't compete with other women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 11:10 PM |
| 1 | Men's experiences dating after their 20'sAnd those elements of the manosphere are dumb and hypocritical, and TRP calls them out as such. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 07:58 PM |
| 1 | Men's experiences dating after their 20'sHere's what you're doing: We're having a conversation about one sex and that sex's behavior, and you're bringing in attributes of another sex. That may be interesting, but it's not relevant to this particular conversation. It's like talking with some friends about doping in the NFL and someone continuously butting in with "but but but they juice in the NBA too!". Uh, sure, but what does that have to do with what we were talking about? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 07:57 PM |
| 10 | Millennials and Boobs: They Just Don't Like ThemThere's also the fact that a search for "boobs" on a porn site generally doesn't return fit women with nicely-shaped, one or two handful breasts. Most of the results (if not a strong majority) are women with huge, sagging breasts, and they're usually overweight. This indicates to me that people searching for "boobs" are looking for breasts that are almost comically large; it's fetishization, not just "liking boobs". Guys who just like nice, regular boobs can get that from almost any pornstar wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 07:54 PM |
| 2 | Men's experiences dating after their 20'sSaying you want to date a 23 year old because she will be hot for 10 years is like those tinder meme girls saying they want a muscular guy over 6'. So? TRP acknowledges that, and tells guys to improve themselves accordingly. It's not as if they're saying you can be fat and demand a 23-year-old hottie. What happened to liking someone for their personality? You can have both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 07:39 PM |
| 1 | Men's experiences dating after their 20'sSure. But: This isn't a conversation about men. "But but but he did it too" stopped being a valid argument sometime around first grade. TRP doesn't recommend misleading anyone about your intentions -- quite the opposite -- so it's not as if they're hypocritical on this point. File it under interesting, but irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 07:36 PM |
| 1 | Eyeopening look (short Netflix documentary) at a real life Chad's dating life/use of mobile apps..He earned a B.A. in political science in 1982 and a B.A. in psychology in 1984, both from the University of Alberta, and his Ph.D. in clinical psychology from McGill University in 1991. He remained at McGill University as a post-doctoral fellow for two years before moving to Massachusetts, where he worked as an assistant and an associate professor in the psychology department at Harvard University. In 1997, he moved to the University of Toronto as a full professor. But sure, he's just an "angry … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 09:12 PM |
| 1 | Eyeopening look (short Netflix documentary) at a real life Chad's dating life/use of mobile apps..These are basic truths everyone who has been in relationships knows ,pretending ignorance is manipulation it's unpleasant it's a bit like saying "well it's their own stupid fault for believing I'm a normal decent human being" This is exactly what it comes down to. Yeah, the orbiter is in the wrong for expecting something that wasn't explicitly stated, but the other person is in the wrong, too, for not understanding (or, more often, ignoring) what it means to be a "normal decent human being". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:29 PM |
| 1 | Eyeopening look (short Netflix documentary) at a real life Chad's dating life/use of mobile apps..The employee isn't valued though... Same in these orbiting situations. In both situations, though, the orbiter/employee is valuable enough to keep around. The party in power knows this, and knows that the other party has expectations of more, and -- just like the orbiter/employee has never confronted the issue -- is likely avoiding an uncomfortable conversation. Neither side is being an adult here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:21 PM |
| 1 | I posted a question in /r/mensrights I would love those of you who support financial abortion to answer.I think it's less trust and more willful ignorance because they like the way raw finishing feels. Then why do guys use condoms? Clearly they're able to prioritize not having kids over a bit more short-term pleasure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Eyeopening look (short Netflix documentary) at a real life Chad's dating life/use of mobile apps..There's really no excuse. There's really no excuse for not even giving a valued employee an annual bump to cover inflation, either. Companies aren't dumb; they know their employees will eventually look for raises (especially if they're being asked to do more) or will go elsewhere. Avoiding such an obvious issue until it comes to a head is taking advantage. It may be smart, but that doesn't make it right. Similarly, people know that orbiters (be they male or female) will eventually look for some … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 07:03 AM |
| 3 | Men's experiences dating after their 20'sWhat is dating with ulterior motives? Looking for a free meal? That's one example, but others may be: Saying you are uninterested in commitment early to avoid scaring guys off, but pushing for commitment soon after. Looking to start a family and not being upfront about this. Looking for someone to fill the role of a boyfriend, and not necessarily being that interested in you. It's anytime someone isn't fully honest about what they want. I'd argue that most relationships have or start with at lea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 06:58 AM |
| 1 | Eyeopening look (short Netflix documentary) at a real life Chad's dating life/use of mobile apps..I liken this to people upset with their salary. Waiting for the company to give you a pay rise is ludicrous. Ask for what you want/need. Sure, but if you've been at a company for three years, have been taking on more responsibility, and have not-so-subtly hinted at a raise, management knows what you want. They assume some responsibility when they play dumb and ignore that -- who would want to work for a company that knows what their employees want and still doesn't give a damn? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 06:51 AM |
| 6 | Men's experiences dating after their 20'sThe fact that a number of men agree they encounter older women like that seems to imply they really aren't that rare. Just look at the criteria: Never married No kids Spent their lives enriching themselves Single Physically attractive That eliminates the majority of the population by the mid-30s, and probably a strong majority. The guys who say there are many of these women probably have high SMVs themselves, and assume what seems abundant to them is reflective of reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Eyeopening look (short Netflix documentary) at a real life Chad's dating life/use of mobile apps..But who's responsibility is that then? The object of affection or the orbiter? I wouldn't put it 100% on either. I'd say the orbiter is at fault to a degree for not making their desire crystal clear, and the object of affection also shares some blame for feigning ignorance and ignoring common social expectations. There are a lot of people in here arguing that the orbiter is 100% at fault; my point is that the object of affection doesn't have their hands clean, either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:59 AM |
| 17 | Men's experiences dating after their 20'sA 23 year old still has a decade or so left, 34 has maybe a few. This is a huge factor if you're looking for anything long term. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:55 AM |
| 14 | Men's experiences dating after their 20'sWhich from a BP perspective is pretty obvious (duh, people mature with age). But reds seem to believe that women stop maturing at 18 and only get more insane/desperate as they enter their 30's single. Keep in mind that the women you're talking about -- women who "have never married or had kids, who've spent their young adult lives traveling, educating themselves, exploring hobbies, figuring out what they want in life", and who presumably are attractive -- are rare. Yeah, they're great, but they'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:52 AM |
| 6 | I posted a question in /r/mensrights I would love those of you who support financial abortion to answer.How do you respond to the argument "This gives the man an immense amount of control over the woman's life?" The current system gives the woman an immense amount of control over the man's life. Key point: why do the rights of the father trump the rights of the child? Why do the rights of the child (and the mother) trump the rights of the father in the current system? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:43 AM |
| 8 | I posted a question in /r/mensrights I would love those of you who support financial abortion to answer.Well men don't appear to be more cautious knowing they might be on the hook for CS Maybe the issue isn't a lack of caution, but an overabundance of trust. If she's using the pill that would certainly count as caution, but he still has to trust that she's taking it properly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:40 AM |
| 4 | Eyeopening look (short Netflix documentary) at a real life Chad's dating life/use of mobile apps..How could they be so naive They've never slept with a guy who really, truly has 10 other women who are just as hot only a phone call away. Every other guy they've slept with has either A) known for sure that she's his #1 option, or B) known he has other options that are theoretically as good as her, but not quite readily available -- and they've all treated her accordingly. But a promoter at a high-profile club is effectively a D-list celebrity. In terms of how easily he can get similarly hot wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:36 AM |
| 3 | Eyeopening look (short Netflix documentary) at a real life Chad's dating life/use of mobile apps..It's not really much different from women who have multiple orbiters but never explicitly tell them that they are unattractive to her they'll never sleep with no matter what he does for her. This is true to a degree, but at some point common sense overrides it. If a guy sees a woman for a few months, and she keeps wanting to hang out during the day and go on real dates, and drops not-so-subtle hints about it, eventually it's disingenuous to play dumb and claim he doesn't know what she wants. Sim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:24 AM |
| 1 | Where the Red goes Wrong: VulnerabilityIn my experience our superiors cared more about knowing how we were working to improve our weaknesses than about what the weakness actually was. If that was truly the case, you had very good management, and that's pretty rare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:15 AM |
| 2 | The double standard of N countYeah, but if each of those things happens once or twice in a lifetime, which is not an unreasonable assumption, the number racks up pretty fast. Once or twice for each of those things would be 2-4 total partners, so no, it doesn't rack up that fast. Yeah, early on could still be a good few months. And even then, I've know long term couples, married couples, that separated because of big time issues like kids. If someone is the type of person who would A) bring up those long-term issues that quic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:13 AM |
| 3 | The double standard of N countBy that logic, almost all men are undesirable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 12:07 AM |
| 2 | The double standard of N countMost people don't move to another state ten times. Most people don't have their parents disprove of their partner ten times, and if that happens, they stop caring about what their parents think. Most people figure out if they're miles apart on the big, uncompromisable issues early on, if not on the first date. It's "if you run into assholes all day..." logic. Any given relationship might not work out for understandable reasons, but if tons of your relationships fail? You're the common denominato… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 08:23 PM |
| 3 | Where the Red goes Wrong: VulnerabilityI didn't say it's a necessity You did: vulnerability is a necessity in areas outside of dating as well | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 08:19 PM |
| 2 | The double standard of N countThat might happen once or twice. It doesn't happen a dozen times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 08:10 PM |
| 5 | The double standard of N countI'm just spitballing but don't you think there's some overlap here? Some, but not as much as you might think. Similar attitudes towards sex, particularly less "serious" sex: I'd agree this is a trait shared by promiscuous men and women, but it's far from unique to them. Low partner count men are generally open to casual sex; they just can't get it. And plenty (if not a majority) of low partner count women are open to casual sex, too; they just have higher standards for partners, or found a partn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:55 PM |
| 3 | Where the Red goes Wrong: Vulnerabilityit's bloody hard to deal with them and move past them when you refuse to acknowledge that they're there. Sure, but this is not the same as being vulnerable. Being vulnerable involves sharing these doubts, fears, and insecurities with someone else, specifically someone that you care about. I think that most of us need to be able to be vulnerable with someone, either a friend, a partner, a family member I don't see how being vulnerable with any of those parties is a necessity. or even just your th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:37 PM |
| 5 | Where the Red goes Wrong: Vulnerability...That's exactly what I'm saying. They'd love to be vulnerable, and maybe have been vulnerable in the past, and that's a big part of why they're having trouble with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:28 PM |
| 2 | The double standard of N countWhat's the logic behind this? You're just re-asserting your point, not offering any reasoning to support it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:26 PM |
| 13 | Where the Red goes Wrong: VulnerabilityIf you actually want to grow as a man "You're only a real man if [insert what I want you to do]" -- who falls for this stuff? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:25 PM |
| 1 | Where the Red goes Wrong: VulnerabilityThat's like saying "fear of getting ran over when you cross the street is itself an insecurity". No, it's a mechanism to help you from getting ran over. An insecurity is something that were you suddenly completely secure about it you'd be better off. Fear of getting harmed does not qualify because if you're no longer afraid of getting harmed you're just going to get harmed more often. You don't aim to eliminate fear, because fear is a necessary check against being an idiot. You aim to control fe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:24 PM |
| 4 | Where the Red goes Wrong: VulnerabilityWhere all rp is wrong posts go wrong - not knowing anything about rp. PPD in a nutshell. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:19 PM |
| 4 | Where the Red goes Wrong: VulnerabilityWell yeah, you can't just spout a cliche -- you have to spout a cliche while making it sound genuine. You don't say: "I care too much about the quality of the work" For example, you say something like: "I have a tendency to focus a bit too much on details instead of keeping the big picture in mind. Sometimes I have to pull back and refocus because I'm spending half of my time on a small part of the project that isn't the main objective." The idea of spinning a strength (detail-oriented) as a wea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:19 PM |
| 2 | Where the Red goes Wrong: Vulnerabilityvulnerability is a necessity in areas outside of dating as well What types of areas? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:09 PM |
| 8 | Where the Red goes Wrong: VulnerabilityIt's only attractive when it's borne from confidence and a position of power/ means. It's also not exactly something guys struggling with women have a problem with -- often it's a big part of the reason they're struggling with women in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 05:09 PM |
| 6 | The double standard of N countI don't know anyone can categorically make this claim. Sure, if we're using "categorically" in the strictest sense of the word. I'd agree that literally all high partner count men do not have personalities that are different from those of high partner count women, but I'd say that the overlap between those two groups is pretty small. The vast majority of high partner count women get there by just not saying "no" a whole lot, while the vast majority of high partner count men get there by looking … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 04:52 PM |
| 6 | The double standard of N countThe main point here is that high partner count women and men have different personalities. Whether you think a high partner count man has an attractive personality is debatable, but there's no debate about whether the majority of high partner count men and women have similar personalities; they don't. If anything it makes me think of men who see sex as some sort of conquest If you're saying he has to have a good (or likeable, socially) personality I'd say both are present in most high partner co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 04:27 PM |
| 4 | The double standard of N countMore women than men see it as a red flag and more women than men wouldn't date someone who has got a high n-count. Pretty much all women can afford to be picky about their partners, most men can't. Obviously men are going to have lower standards than women; if the average guy had high standards he'd never get laid. In that context, women caring more about partner count doesn't necessarily mean women care much, because caring very little is more than not caring at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 04:20 PM |
| 2 | The double standard of N countYou just keep asserting this without any reasoning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 04:13 PM |
| 2 | The double standard of N countMen and women who are high N are similar What's the logic behind this? An attractive man can't just be bad at saying "no" and get laid like tile, the way an attractive woman can. Even attractive men have to initiate and lead the majority of interactions -- that's a big reason why they're attractive in the first place. It's a completely different personality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 04:03 PM |
| 1 | The double standard of N countThey will excuse all of their flaws with "Okay, but I don't have much experience" Yeah, that's what she says. Girls who are higher n-count, but have a history of solid relationships just mean the following... Has a history of keeping a man satisfied If she has a high partner count, either: Her partners aren't staying satisfied and are moving on, or She (by virtue of picking bad partners, not caring, or having ultra-high/unreasonable standards) isn't staying satisfied and is moving on. It's hard … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 03:58 PM |
| 22 | The double standard of N countThe only difference is that it's more difficult for a man to rack up that higher N than a woman. You mention this as an afterthought -- as if sleeping with, say, 20 attractive members of the opposite sex is only marginally more difficult for men than it is for women. That couldn't be farther from the truth. It's comically easy for even unattractive women to sleep with attractive men, and attractive women have all of those options and then some (which naturally makes it harder for the average guy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.One major goal of "negging" is to emulate the sort of "lighthearted banter" that guys sometimes struggle with because they're trying to be nice. TRP stuff isn't anything strange or out of the ordinary; it's the exact behaviors you're describing, but packaged for guys who haven't figured it out yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 03:32 PM |
| 1 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.If there were lots of women doing this, it wouldn't be so easy. Literally every woman could do this and there'd still be plenty of demand for women because men's libidos are so much higher. You see it in relationships (where the woman at least theoretically likes the man, even) all the time -- the woman wants to have sex once or twice a week, and the man wants to have sex almost every day (and maybe a couple of times per day). Demand for women in no way suggests that only a few women are willing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 01:51 AM |
| 1 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.When you say "super cheap real estate in Detroit", you're implying that it's cheap because it's garbage no one wants. It's far more than supply and demand in that scenario; there's the issue of objective quality as well. I agree that supply and demand affects how easy it is for women to get laid. I never said anything to the contrary. My point is that not only is it easy for decent-looking women to get any man; it's easy for any woman to get even decent-looking men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceThink of how a "by whites, for whites" event would be perceived. Don't you think someone might file a lawsuit about that event? Don't you think there's a chance a court might find that said event is discriminatory? All I'm saying is that there are quite clearly events that are aimed squarely at women, and that the existence of these events does not mean that they are perfectly legal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.It makes ZERO sense for the sexual partner counts to stay the same or even move down if women are having more sex. ZERO sense. ...They lie. Simple. Studies have shown that respondents lie, even on anonymous surveys, and any reasonable person can entertain the idea that someone might lie about a socially touchy issue. But you know this; you're just trolling: Hard for someone with a massive case of selection bias or myopia to understand. Is this fun for you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 04:41 PM |
| 5 | PSA: "gender is a social construct" is not the same as "a persons gender is entirely socially constructed"It's strange that a label would have no other criteria other than "identify with this label". Political labels often use this criteria. If someone says they're a Republican, or a liberal, or fiscally conservative/socially liberal, or whatever, often that's enough for most people to lump them in that group, and often that's enough for many members of the group to accept them. It's extremely common for people to identify as a member of these groups while not holding some (or any) "key" belief most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 04:17 PM |
| 1 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.it's so easy for women to get casual sex with hot strangers Well that's the exact opposite of what you were saying before -- that women's options were comparable to "super cheap real estate in Detroit". Which is it? Is it easy for women to find hot men interested in them, or is she surrounded by garbage and nothing else? Can't be both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 04:01 PM |
| 2 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.And quite a few women "approach" men, in the sense that they make themselves available for him to actually approach her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 03:57 PM |
| 4 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.this is like saying there's lots of super cheap real estate in Detroit Not at all. There's a lot more than the equivalent of "super cheap real estate in Detroit" out there, even for non-attractive women: I am fat -- not curvy, fat. I have a fat stomach and I jiggle when I walk. I am most likely going to be the fattest person in the room at all times and I gladly accept that role... Before I got to my first hotel I was talking to six or seven very attractive strangers. I have found that most men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.Were you 100% positive towards everything they said? Or did you disagree here and there, and give them a bit of shit for something silly, the way you might with a close friend? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 03:19 PM |
| 3 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.The funny thing is sexual partner counts haven't moved up. ...According to self-reported survey results. I'm saying those reports are increasingly unbelievable given how easy it is for women to have sex and relationships completely free of social consequences. your desire for most of them to be cheap whores, no doubt a reflection of disproportionately bad past experiences Assuming negatives about someone you don't know is a classic sign of bad faith discussion. All this "free stuff" women can ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 03:15 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceThere still could be discrimination -- it depends at least in part on how the event is advertised. When Alamo Drafthouse was sued for discrimination for their women-only Wonder Woman showings, they claimed they would have let men in had they actually shown up. And Alamo Drafthouse may have been telling the truth, but the courts found that explanation insufficient as it'd be like advertising a "whites only" business and claiming to still serve black people if they came through the door. The findi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 03:07 PM |
| 7 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.it's a chain of short term relationships assuming they don't pair off with a completely satisfying man early And after, say, five years of 2-6 month relationships, with a few ONSs sprinkled in here and there, what does their partner count look like? It adds up quick, and that's the women who don't go out looking to live it up as much as possible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 05:37 AM |
| 10 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.i was FLOORED with the responses I got (especially on bumble and POF...Tinder tends to go for a younger crowd than my age range). I never had to send out any messages to anyone. they messaged me. I eventually shut all my profiles down after only 2 weeks due to exhaustion... My current GF is 13 years younger than me (and beautiful). If all of this is true, you're wildly underestimating your own attractiveness. i didn't need to do any RP game techniques. This is a "RP game technique": I just took … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 05:34 AM |
| 10 | Tinder feedback loop: Most women are competing for an extremely small percentage of men.It was like shopping for them. As in the choices were endless and they could be as picky as they like and still score a date or get laid. This environment exists for every non-deformed woman with a smartphone, yet blue pillers still buy self-reported survey data that says most women just sleep with a handful of men throughout their lives. It's simply unbelievable. There's just too much free stuff (drinks, sex, companionship, meals) thrown at women for them to turn pretty much all of it down. Mos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 05:31 AM |
| 7 | Lack of empathy and understanding towards the male experience is part of why guys flock to RP/manosphere.Look at it this way: Public speaking is the number one fear of American adults -- death is number two. There's the Jerry Seinfeld joke that at a funeral people would rather be in the casket than delivering the eulogy. Approaching a woman in a public space (and where else are you realistically going to approach them?) is essentially public speaking, but you're only guaranteed a sentence or two, your audience is likely hostile, it's quite possibly crowded or hard to hear anything, and you're pursu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 04:47 AM |
| 2 | Lack of empathy and understanding towards the male experience is part of why guys flock to RP/manosphere.Here's one way that might work: Imagine a friend telling you about an interaction they had with a waitress at a restaurant. Said waitress broke some small social rule -- perhaps they interrupted a conversation to ask about taking an order -- and your friend was just a complete bastard to them. Nothing comically over the top; just really, cuttingly mean. And your friend tells you this as an amusing anecdote, with maybe a bit of pride. Most people wouldn't just laugh along to this story. They'd gi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 04:35 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men raise their SMV to get validation from other men, not to have sex with more women.Who cares if you can bench three times your bodyweight if you're 5'5", 140 lbs? Girls certainly don't. Of course they don't care about exactly what that guy can bench. But they do care if that guy looks like he works out or not, because the former is far more attractive than the latter no matter how short the guy is. But girls will get aroused by a 6'4", 220 lbs beast, even if he can't even bench his own bodyweight. Stating the obvious is useless. Complaining about the obvious is just bitching. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 11:12 PM |
| 3 | Are you actually an average guy?The far, far larger elephant in the room is that those numbers are based on self-reporting, which is notoriously inaccurate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 10:40 PM |
| 6 | Lack of empathy and understanding towards the male experience is part of why guys flock to RP/manosphere.men dont really think of women as people unless it's one they have a particular relationship with. This is as absurd as saying "black people don't think of Asians as people unless it's one they have a particular relationship with". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 10:34 PM |
| 3 | Lack of empathy and understanding towards the male experience is part of why guys flock to RP/manosphere.Curiosity? Wanting to understand others? It's hard to miss if you read enough? Plenty of reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 10:32 PM |
| 5 | Lack of empathy and understanding towards the male experience is part of why guys flock to RP/manosphere.Real, actual women write articles on this stuff, and those articles get clicks because real, actual women read them, nod along, and comment. Anyone with an adult level of self-awareness understands that their immediate group of friends and family is not necessarily representative of the population as a whole. Something can happen to many people in the real world even if someone in your circle has not personally experienced it and told you about it. I don't buy that you don't understand this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 10:17 PM |
| 3 | Lack of empathy and understanding towards the male experience is part of why guys flock to RP/manosphere.media, which I do not consume Of course you're not going to hear this stuff if you ignore what the wider world (presented via media) is saying and just listen to your own personal bubble. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 10:01 PM |
| 2 | Lack of empathy and understanding towards the male experience is part of why guys flock to RP/manosphere.As far as all these supposed complaints from women I have never ever even heard any of this stuff except occasionally from my wife Then you don't consume very much media. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 09:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men raise their SMV to get validation from other men, not to have sex with more women.There's no reason to assume someone is trying to get you in some way Of course there is -- people do that on here all the time. It's especially common in exactly this sort of situation. Some red piller will say either "men do X" or "women do Y", and some blue piller will chime in with "but women/men do it too!", even though A) no one was claiming otherwise and B) it's not particularly relevant. how do you ask that question open-endedly? You're an attorney; don't pretend like you don't know how t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 09:02 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men raise their SMV to get validation from other men, not to have sex with more women.If you ask a leading question as if you have a point to make, it's going to come across like you have a point to make. If you're really just curious, ask an open ended question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 08:52 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men raise their SMV to get validation from other men, not to have sex with more women.You can look strong by just being tall and broad shouldered. Sure, but everyone else has to work for that look. "Just be tall and broad shouldered" is laughable advice to anyone who already isn't tall and broad shouldered. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 08:41 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men raise their SMV to get validation from other men, not to have sex with more women.I'd agree it applies to both men and women, but I don't see how that relates to this thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 08:38 PM |
| 3 | Are you actually an average guy?the average guy says he loses his virginity at 17 The average guy says he will sleep with 10 women over his entire life FTFY. are they actually average or are they below average and confused about what the average guy is actually like? Seems pretty easy to be an average guy these days Which is it? If it's "pretty easy" to be average, it'd be a stretch to believe so many guys are so significantly below average that it's causing them trouble. Do you really believe most TRP guys are pulling in less… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 08:34 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men raise their SMV to get validation from other men, not to have sex with more women....Did I say it wasn't? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 08:23 PM |
| 7 | CMV: Men raise their SMV to get validation from other men, not to have sex with more women.Most men who are in a relationship will prioritize that relationship over friendships with other men. That shows you where their priorities lie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 08:03 PM |
| 1 | How many TRP "truths" do you think are a result of self-fulfilling prophecy?But then he has no options, because the emotionally open women won't want him. Plenty do. It's so common there's a trope about it. Only if you get married. Not remotely. Ezekiel Elliot is losing millions right now because of a crazy woman he wasn't married to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/17 04:46 PM |
| 3 | The Red Pill and the Alpha Wolf MythThe lifters do it because they believe they'll be more attractive to women, but also approach women more proactively. I'm sure there's an element of this, but it's really difficult to argue that these two body types are equally attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/17 06:31 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill and the Alpha Wolf Mythconditions that are so similar to the environments that RP ideas emerged from. I think that idea is interesting and might help understand human interactions better, but I don't think the fact that it seems to apply to wolves makes it more likely to apply to humans, too. The two species are just too different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/17 03:49 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill and the Alpha Wolf MythMech was (and is) trying to describe wolf behavior as accurately as possible. He's interested in uncovering how the world works as objectively as possible. TRP is trying to help average men be as romantically/sexually successful as possible. TRP is interested in what's useful. This does not involve being as objective as possible in every situation; heuristics, for example, purposefully ignore objective reality in some situations to ensure better results overall. All guns are not literally, objec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/17 03:29 PM |
| 1 | How many TRP "truths" do you think are a result of self-fulfilling prophecy?The kind of guy who is suspicious of all women and doesn't "let anyone in" emotionally speaking is going to push a lot of people away by having that attitude. He will attract mostly others who are closed off and untrusting. The second sentence does not logically follow from the first. If a guy who's closed off and untrusting (and only the latter half of this, kind of, is what TRP actually recommends) meets a similar woman, he's going to interpret her cagey behavior as a red flag and move on. He'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/17 02:49 PM |
| 2 | Do most men on here have or understand the concept of game?because reddit is X TRP is necessarily also likely to be X I understand this isn't the case for every single subreddit, but it should be the null hypothesis. If you have an enormous jar of M&Ms that are all red and green, and have a 90/10 even mix of red to green, any scoop you take is likely to be around that same 90/10 ratio. There has to be some strong factor at play to make it significantly different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/17 02:27 PM |
| 1 | How many TRP "truths" do you think are a result of self-fulfilling prophecy?Even if you found a perfectly loyal partner you'd be constantly paranoid That's quite a bit different from "you'll only attract evil cheating whores" -- because you aren't actually attracting bad people, even if you're more suspicious of them than you should be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 11:36 PM |
| 1 | Do most men on here have or understand the concept of game?As a simple example, I find that neurotic/impulsive people usually associate with other neurotic/impulsive people. So over 2/3s white? Just 12% more non-whites than reddit as a whole? I guess that's "increasing", but it's certainly not "most" of TRP as the person I originally replied to asserted. And keep in mind (in addition to the litany of self-reported survey result caveats) that this is just red pillers on PPD, not all red pillers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 07:52 PM |
| 2 | How many TRP "truths" do you think are a result of self-fulfilling prophecy?As a simple example, I find that neurotic/impulsive people usually associate with other neurotic/impulsive people. Except AWALT doesn't mean "all women are neurotic/impulsive, so you should be, too". It means "all women are neurotic/impulsive, so you should watch out for that behavior and run if there's too much of it". It's not a matter of like attracting like because AWALT doesn't tell you to be like the women it warns you about. AWALT tells you to next those women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 06:16 PM |
| 5 | How many TRP "truths" do you think are a result of self-fulfilling prophecy?He's saying certain behaviors will attract other people with certain behaviors. He's saying guarding against a certain behavior will somehow attract that very behavior, which makes no sense. If I hate angry people and go out of my way not to talk to any, there's no reason to believe I'll magically start running into a ton of angry people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 06:12 PM |
| 8 | How many TRP "truths" do you think are a result of self-fulfilling prophecy?the assumption that a person's actions are inherently inclined to bring morally fair and fitting consequences to that person... all evil actions eventually punished. ... Go around expecting all women to be evil cheating whores and you'll only attract the evil cheating whores. He's saying "if you think mean things about people, you'll attract mean people!". That's the definition of the Just World Fallacy; getting what one "deserves". Regardless of how you classify it, the argument makes zero sens… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 04:45 PM |
| 2 | How many TRP "truths" do you think are a result of self-fulfilling prophecy?They're only self-fulfilling prophecies in the sense that you see what you're looking for. If you think everyone you meet is a liar, you're going to vividly remember every single time a person stretches the truth and gloss over the many times they are completely honest. But this also means that you're going to be better at avoiding what you're watching out for. In the "everyone's a liar" example, you're going to be more likely to spot actual, habitual liars and get them out of your life. You'll … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 03:14 PM |
| 16 | How many TRP "truths" do you think are a result of self-fulfilling prophecy?How does this make any sense? If you go out of your way to avoid X trait, you don't suddenly start attracting people with X trait in spades. Quite the opposite. If you think all employees will steal from you if given the chance, you aren't magically going to attract a bunch of thieves. In fact, you're going to take more precautions with company equipment and probably reduce the incidence of theft. If you think anyone who walks by you on a street at night will rob you if given the chance, you are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 03:10 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceThat would make grace hopper illegal by that definition If it's a woman-only conference ran by a business, it is -- just like a whites-only conference would be. It likely gets a pass because someone has to sue to stop it, and there are ample social disincentives related to anything perceived as criticism of women. Look at the Google memo guy. Remember the Alamo Drafthouse women-only screening of Wonder Woman? That was illegal and was shut down but only because someone sued. But if no one sues --… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Do most men on here have or understand the concept of game?I'm increasingly finding there's a lot of asians and black guys. ...and this is based on? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 02:42 PM |
| 1 | Do most men on here have or understand the concept of game?you'll see what I mean No, I won't. Reddit is mostly white Americans guys, and TRP is likely to reflect that. And the only person to my knowledge who's actually seen any appreciable number of red pillers -- GayLubeOil -- said they were mostly a bunch of average (white, American) bros. I can't do it because I've been banned from trp Lazy excuse. You can make an alternate account. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/17 08:24 PM |
| 3 | Heightened male aggression toward sexualized women following romantic rejection: The mediating role of sex goal activationSeems like a huge leap from this: 157 young men were romantically rejected by a sexualized or non-sexualized woman then given the opportunity to blast the woman with loud bursts of white noise. To this: The findings suggest that heightened sex goal activation may lead men to perpetrate aggression against sexualized women who reject them. There's a significant difference between, say, honking at someone and from afar and yelling at them face-to-face, and an even bigger difference between either o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/17 08:07 PM |
| -1 | Do women wear makeup to attract male attention?These looks are not for men, and actively turn men off in many cases. I'd say this is an effort to look current and socially aware, both of which play a bit part in attracting high-value men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/17 08:00 PM |
| 1 | Do most men on here have or understand the concept of game?most r/TRP users are disgusting, unattractive manlet foreigners You say with zero supporting evidence, and contrary to all common sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/17 07:50 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First Placeif this is something that men want and find useful, they should organize it. That's illegal -- you can't organize an event and exclude women, any more than you could organize an event and exclude minorities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 11:03 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First Placewe also send men to conferences on company dime too I'm not aware of any men only conferences companies send workers to, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Will all women will hoe out for the right man?Which I wouldn't do. Sure, which is why I said "more women than you think do this, in a lot more situations than you'd think." Not "all women do this all the time." the key to vetting is time. Yes, it takes time to vet thoroughly. But you can still recognize a good prospect early on. Imagine someone applying to a position at your firm with two degrees from a prestigious university and five years of work experience at a top firm in a similar field. Do you know they're a good hire right then and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 02:25 PM |
| 1 | One thing that the google memo overlooked: different mating strategies influence different career choices.The fact that no one else is pointing out that OP's whole point is blatantly inaccurate indicates many other people didn't read the memo, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 02:17 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceIt's risky to attempt your way too, just in a different way. There's risk in any path, but working an office job is far less risky than being an entrepreneur. Yet both can lead to success. Not to mention the opportunity cost in all of this. You could be enjoying your personal life instead. Again, if you compare this to starting your own company, you're far more likely to "enjoy your personal life" working 8-5 (even if you put in overtime). Starting your own business is a far larger workload. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 02:16 PM |
| 1 | Will all women will hoe out for the right man?I can't really ever actually determining, as a woman, that I want to LTR someone on the basis of one date or even just a few hours. I'm not saying women get this starry-eyed feeling of "he's the one!" (although you could find plenty of women who claim they do in fact get just that) -- I'm saying that every woman out there will be able to recognize a really good prospect when they see him. They don't know for sure that he's going to be great, but they know there's a strong chance of it. It's like… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 01:56 AM |
| 8 | What real and fixable gender issues do you think exist today?A few ideas that haven't been touched on elsewhere: Create better guidelines for sentencing so that men stop serving more time for similar crimes. Create better admissions/scholarship standards so that men stop earning fewer college degrees than women. This issue would probably be best addressed by looking at primary schooling practices, too. Keep the names of people accused of crimes private until they've had their day in court. Make it much more difficult for either party to get more than 50/5… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 01:49 AM |
| 1 | Will all women will hoe out for the right man?Possibly if it's that obvious and she mostly concerns about status I guess. Status isn't the only thing that's easy to determine. Obviously looks are readily apparent as well (and being at least moderately physically attracted to your partner is a prerequisite for a good LTR), and there are plenty of personality traits that flash in the first date. You get a feel for their sense of humor, their interests/disinterests, how they treat other people, how they treat you, how bright they are, how open… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 01:34 AM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceSure, but that doesn't change the fact that one can become successful without assuming a ton of risk. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 01:20 AM |
| 0 | Will all women will hoe out for the right man?Like if her goal is to LTR a high quality man she's not going to necessarily know that after knowing him for an hour or even a week. Why wouldn't she? What if he's a doctor who cures sick kids, and he's really good looking, and they go out for a drink and hit it off really well? She's absolutely going to be thinking "this guy is LTR material" right after that first date. how many women can figure out that last part that quickly? It only takes time to "figure out" whether someone is a suitable LT… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/17 07:12 PM |
| 4 | One thing that the google memo overlooked: different mating strategies influence different career choices.Christ -- Did anyone actually read the memo? OP sure didn't, because he missed this: Status is the primary metric that men are judged on, pushing many men into these higher paying, less satisfying jobs for the status that they entail. Note, the same forces that lead men into high pay/high stress jobs in tech and leadership cause men to take undesirable and dangerous jobs like coal mining, garbage collection, and firefighting, and suffer 93% of work-related deaths... Unfortunately, as long as tec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/17 06:38 PM |
| 2 | Will all women will hoe out for the right man?By hoe out, I do mean when a woman uses sex to obtain what it is she wants first and foremost. Will literally all women do this? Outside of life-and-death circumstances, no. Will a lot more women than you think do this, in a lot more situations than you'd think? Yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/17 06:29 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceI don't think it's being advertised to them the way lots of guys describe it here. The example that made me phrase it that way is from a major airline one of my female friends works for. They want more women to be pilots, so they offer all of their female employees free piloting lessons. Completely free, all female employees, even if they just work in support. I don't work there, but the way she described it made it sound like there's no comparable program for men. She said women would have to b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/17 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First Placeoriginally you simply spoke of going to university, getting a job, then getting promoted a bit. No, I said "get promoted to the upper echelons of your first company, or get hired away with a fat pay increase to a high position at another company." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/17 06:17 PM |
| 2 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceYou posit that anyone can do it and it's nothing special. Not quite. It takes hard work and time, so while yes, anyone can do it, it's far from easy. And that makes it special, sure, because any success is special -- but I never mentioned any "special type" of success that counts when regular success does not. True measure of success then is not simply following a path anyone can sleepwalk through Almost no one can sleepwalk through a 15-20 year career and get to a high-level position. I said no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/17 12:35 AM |
| 2 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceGetting promoted in a salaried job after getting out of university is not any special type of "success." OK, so we're moving goalposts now. It's utter nonsense to claim that the only worthwhile type of success is entrepreneurship. For every self-made millionaire entrepreneur, there are a thousand entrepreneurs just scraping by, one bad month from having nothing. It's ridiculous to think of that as success, but not count a VP at some major company as successful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/08/17 12:06 AM |
| 2 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceThat's what I see OP arguing. Men who need someone to tell them what to do are inherently less attractive than men who establish social dominance I think that's reading far too much into what isn't a particularly detailed OP, and in any event I don't think that's correct. Everyone who can "establish social dominance" learns that behavior at some point; "naturals" just learn it much earlier than everyone else, and usually receive some positive reinforcement from looks. A late bloomer who learns t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 11:36 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceSo you can't back up your assertions, and/or are too lazy to try. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 11:29 PM |
| 2 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceIt's just that this makes a better story Exactly. Plenty of high rollers go through life essentially like this: Get good grades in school, because you went to class and did your homework. Get a solid job out of school, because you made a connection or got a little lucky. Do well at your first job, get promoted. Buy a house, save money, invest, build financial security. Get promoted to the upper echelons of your first company, or get hired away with a fat pay increase to a high position at anothe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 11:26 PM |
| 3 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceBut if it's something like religion where you were dogmatised, it will take time. Your mind was shaped, and you had no influence. Religion is a good comparison. Some blue pillers will say stuff like "Why didn't you just figure it out? I stopped believing in Santa when I was 6; you must not have been smart enough to think for yourself!". Blue pill conditioning isn't like Santa -- it's not some funny prank that all the adults pull on all the kids, and at a certain age you're told the truth and eve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 11:20 PM |
| 2 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First Place0.33 is not a strong correlation. Source? In my experience it's fairly large when you're looking at real-world data. The twin adoption studies have proven that it is in the genes. Link? Because this article and the studies it cites shows the opposite. baloney social fake science The study is from economists at the University of Texas. The economics graduate program at UT is ranked 27th, in front of Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, and Georgetown. Take your "fake science" bullshit somewhere else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 10:56 PM |
| 2 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceI don't see how that changes the point here. You can stick firmly to the script, take very few (if any) risks, and wind up as a successful doctor or lawyer. And if you continue sticking to the script and taking few risks, you'll slowly but steadily make more and more as your career progresses. I have friends and family who've done just that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 10:49 PM |
| 4 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceI'd say it's become normal in the last ~10 years or so. If you work at a major corporation now (or know someone who does) you'll see it. If you apply for college scholarships today you'll see it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 10:43 PM |
| 7 | Q4 childless single people: does this TED talk describe your life well?A lot of terpers would say "you'll change your mind when you hit the wall(TM)!" Well, a lot of women do. I can go through Facebook right now and find tons of old female friends from college who said they'd never get married, yet here they are posting wedding photos. There are at least a few who never wanted to have kids, either, so why are they posting all these baby pictures? It's naive and arrogant to think you have it all figured out at a young age. People change over time. Maybe you won't, b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 07:25 PM |
| 4 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceIn short, the researchers found that environment prevails. For children who were raised by their biological parents, the correlation between parents’ wealth and a child’s eventual wealth was strong—calculated to be 0.33. (A correlation of 0 would mean parents’ wealth has no bearing on children’s wealth, and a correlation of 1 would mean they are identical.) For children who were adopted, the correlations were much different: Between adopted children and their birth parents, it was weaker (only a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 07:12 PM |
| 3 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First Placenot GP's and not the burn out writing your gran's will. It's a checklist, they're basically glorified call center workers. There are absolutely highly-educated professions that wind up boiling down to a checklist, but even then that checklist only applies for 90% of situations. The vast majority of estate planning might just be writing paint-by-numbers wills for grandmas, but occasional issues do crop up and those attorneys do have to dig into their expertise and creativity to solve them. This i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 07:03 PM |
| 3 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceThey aren't even saying somebody barred them for studying math, they are saying the subtle impression that math is a more man's forte was enough to prevent them from actively trying. I agree with that narrow example -- but only because there's so much "let's get women into STEM!" stuff out there that there's no excuse for thinking it's much more difficult simply on account of sex. Even if there's a lingering hostility towards women in those fields from their male coworkers, it's far outweighed b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 06:55 PM |
| 4 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceThe average GP and the average solicitor is a blue collar worker going through a checklist Eh, it's pretty clear that there's significantly more need for "original thought" as a lawyer or doctor than as an oilfield worker. There's an element of formula to writing a brief or diagnosing a medical condition, but it's nowhere near as formulaic as "stay awake for 100 hours each week driving around bumfuck North Dakota checking gauges." whilst John might earn more than Jeb and have a better job, unles… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 06:41 PM |
| 14 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First Placeyour OWN LOSER character Ah, this is just thinly-veiled "fuck you, I got mine." Figures. All this "I'm a maverick!" and "I break the rules!" garbage is just another form of special snowflake. Breaking the rules is but one component to some people's success, and many people (most in-demand doctors and lawyers, for example) succeeded primarily because they kept their nose clean and did exactly what they were told. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 06:37 PM |
| 5 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceNo one has ever succeeeded by hewing close to what "we were told". This point is also complete nonsense -- there are plenty of people who did exactly what they were told and wound up rich, successful doctors and lawyers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 06:33 PM |
| 13 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceAlmost nobody parent's explicitly tell them to take what they want, to drop out of school and start a business Tons of entrepreneurs' kids are given exactly this encouragement. Tons of kids with wealthy parents are told that if they have a business idea, they'll get a loan from the Bank of Mom & Dad. Those situations couldn't be farther from someone who grew up poor or firmly middle class, whose parents want them to get a "real job" and wouldn't have the money to bankroll their business, even if… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 06:31 PM |
| 19 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceWe all receive the same conditioning But we don't. Not even close. Imagine two families: John's father is an attorney and his mother is a professor. As a young child they read to him every day, and from the moment he starts thinking about what he wants to do when he grows up he's told he can do anything (and there's not-so-subtle subtext that "anything" really means "any high-status, high-earning profession"). Jeb's father works on an oil rig and his mother is unemployed, in and out of county ja… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 06:26 PM |
| 3 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First Placeit shouldn't have the impact people claim it has if you have the ability to be successful at all. Which is why I said: The real question for "we were told" people is "well what are you doing about it now?". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 06:16 PM |
| 18 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First Placewhy cry that you werent "successful"? ...Because literally every person on the planet wants to be successful? What kind of tone-deaf question is "why are you upset about not being successful"? It's like asking a sick person why they're upset that they aren't healthy. "natural" success There are many, many paths to success, and only a minuscule few of them occur "naturally." There are many people who have to figure a few things out in life before finding their groove later on, just as there are m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 05:33 PM |
| 51 | Men and Women: If any "We Were Told..." Narrative Stops you from Succeeding, You Didn't Have What it Takes to Succeed in the First PlaceWhat you're told by authority figures during your formative years clearly has an impact on the choices you make growing up, which clearly have an impact on how your life turns out. It's nonsense to think that what you tell kids doesn't matter. Kids don't know everything; it's absurd to expect them to be able to see through all the bullshit of the world from Day 1. The real question for "we were told" people is "well what are you doing about it now?". Because now, as adults, those people are expe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 05:12 PM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyI read it. Nothing is inflammatory. If you've actually read the memo yourself, it would be trivial for you quote what you consider inflammatory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/17 01:59 PM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyYou may feel he actually meant inclusivity as a whole, but I don't think we can assume he didn't mean to include the term "policy". He obviously meant inclusivity as a whole. No one would give a damn if this was a discussion about tweaking company policy (which was the intent of the memo). People got their shorts in a twist because they thought the author was against the idea of inclusivity as a whole. That's how it's characterized in the mainstream media, and that's how GoldPilot was characteri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/17 11:07 AM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion survey...so your issue is that he's "aggressively biased" against pre-judging people based on their group identity, because he calls that "tribalism" (a term used in plenty of academic circles)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/17 03:58 PM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyFrom the memo itself: "Philosophically, I don’t think we should do arbitrary social engineering of tech just to make it appealing to equal portions of both men and women". To me, that is pretty obviously a vocal disagreement with Google's inclusivity policy... you recognize that this is critique of Google's policies, right? It's a disagreement with the specific policy, but not with the idea of inclusiveness, which is what's being implied. The author of the memo explicitly states he values inclus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/17 03:57 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?If he'd avoided criticising Google and accusing them of random shit and simply written a meta-analysis of diversity programs and made some suggestions to a higher up he should have been just fine. This is clearly untrue. When shown to them in a vacuum, most people don't think the content of that memo is objectionable, and most find a lot of parts they agree with. The problem wasn't how he wrote it; the problem was that it did not discuss women in 100% positive terms, and thus was deemed a "sexis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/17 03:11 PM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyBut you said "aggressively biased." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/17 03:04 PM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyQuote what you consider offensive, then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/17 03:02 PM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyI tried to find all of your quoted comments in the other, but I could only find four. Do you doubt that the other ones are there? I can link to them if you want. Can you point out which specific user had a "difference in reaction"? There's at least one: Here the user describes the tone of the memo as "fine" and agrees with the author that "we should strive for more [gender and racial diversity]," yet in the other thread had described the memo as "shitty thing[s] to say about your co-workers" and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/17 03:00 PM |
| 1 | Stuck in the Rabbit HoleSet boundaries. Pay attention to whether they're giving as well, or if it's just a one-way street. It's not that hard. Take covering the cost of dates, for example. Talk early on about how you don't think it's right for one person to pay for everything, and then follow through and don't pay for everything. You don't have to split everything exactly down the middle to the cent, but make sure both people are chipping in regularly. If the other person is unwilling to do this, they've crossed your b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/17 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?Google "relentlessly" self-surveys, and part of that is allowing and encouraging feedback that isn't directly solicited. By all accounts a the company's culture places a heavy emphasis on people having the ability to offer solutions for the problems they see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 06:46 AM |
| 2 | Stuck in the Rabbit HoleWhat's a Vulcan? Spock? Leonard Nimoy? Star Trek? I suppose I'll have to do some digging in TRP to see what it has to offer. Here's a start. Most of the sidebar stuff -- especially links to "The Rational Male" blog -- is pretty solid too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 06:39 AM |
| 1 | Stuck in the Rabbit HoleIt was draining though, as if I gave a lot of myself to make them happy and to make their life better, and once they left they were better off and I was worse off. ...and you're saying other people should do this, too? You can be giving and yet not get taken advantage of. You'll be way better off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 06:01 AM |
| 8 | Stuck in the Rabbit HoleYou can be interesting and not drink/do drugs. The problem with not drinking/doing drugs is that you miss out on the benefits of instantly bonding with people on a personal level. A relationship with, say, a new coworker can take months to become comfortable if you just see each other sober every day. But if you run into each other after work and have a beer together? Walls tend to come down, you share a few laughs, and the relationship is much better off for it. This is why billion-dollar compa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 05:59 AM |
| 2 | Stuck in the Rabbit HoleIf you're happy and content with yourself and your life, what do you need a relationship for? I have a natural desire to pursue social and sexual interests because I'm still human. You answered your own question. Humans generally have social and sexual interests; that's part of being "happy and content with yourself and your life." Logically one should be able to be happy on one's own, but your body and your emotions don't respond to logic. Unless you're a Vulcan you can't just ignore those part… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 05:55 AM |
| 1 | False accusations of sexual assault are not a wide-spread problemthe general consensus was that, seeing as sexual assault rates were lower in the NCVS than in other survey of similar scope, the NCVS likely underestimated the rates of sexual assault and rape Broad conclusions like this are reasonable takeaways from survey data. The "problematic" part is when we start taking notoriously unreliable (and unverifiable) data and buy into specific conclusions, like "31% of the rapes in 2015 got reported to the police." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 05:46 AM |
| 3 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?A far better response would have been: Here's why we think he's wrong. We value open sharing of respectfully-worded opinions, even when we disagree with them. Assign the guy to worse and worse solo projects and never promote him until he leaves. Worst case, fire him quietly six months from now for performance reasons. I get why they did what they did -- it's the simplest course of action -- but there's a way to address the perceived offensiveness of this memo without looking reactionary, proving… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 05:44 AM |
| 2 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?Those parts aren't word-for-word red pill; they're simply quoting from the same scientific sources that TRP quotes from. Statements like "there are population-level differences in males and females" might appear on TRP, but anyone who's looking at reality can find the same information and come to the same conclusion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 05:38 AM |
| 2 | A short personal opinion surveySome of that can be considered superficial; some of it (most notably the last quote) cannot. But you said "aggressively biased." How is an admittedly superficial statement like "we should treat people as individuals" biased? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 05:36 AM |
| 3 | A Dichotomy of Feminine QualitiesGroups that are "othered" by prejudice are often assigned conflicting traits, so that they are simultaneously portrayed as meant for subjugation and also demonized. Excellent point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 05:06 AM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyThe authors of those two comments voluntarily deleted them. I PM'ed both when the thread was young and confirmed that these are quotes from the Google memo, and that the point of this thread was to get people to actually read the content (which many PPD users evidently had not) without starting off primed to think of it as a "screed" or "rant" or "manifesto." One offered to delete their comment, and the other agreed to delete their comment when I asked. It's clear from the responses here that mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 05:02 AM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyWhat do you think about the tone of these questions? Is it calm or aggressive? Thoughtful or reactionary? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 04:40 AM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyThe tone is aggressively biased How so? What parts? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?When you pay consultants to critique your culture you keep that shit locked up tight not blared across the internet. Unless one of your employees leaks it, which was the case here. Then it's exactly the same situation. Something regarding Google was causing a negative impact on their reputation so they remedied that problem by firing the cause. I'd say he made some fairly crappy decisions if he didn't want to get fired tho. Very few people on either side of this are saying he shouldn't have been… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 04:26 AM |
| 1 | Just be yourself is the single best piece of advice anyone could ever tell youIt feels like you're being purposefully obtuse here. Obviously it's possible to write something that's both lengthy and good advice. A commencement speech might count, or a detailed workout plan, or instructions on how to build your own computer. It's silly to suggest otherwise; you know that. The comment you're harping on ("good advice doesn't need an 8-paragraph explanation") doesn't suggest otherwise. It says that if you need a lengthy essay to explain your advice -- if your commencement spee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 04:20 AM |
| 3 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?Any highly opinionized piece is, IMO, a rant. Well of course it's a "rant" if you completely change the definition of the word. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 04:12 AM |
| 3 | A Dichotomy of Feminine QualitiesI never wear revealing clothing, I never wear makeup, I never flirt, I have low sexual interest, I see sex as purely romantic, I'm shy, I hate attention, I'm introverted, I put others before me and act like a doormat in relationships, I believe all that matters is love. All of these are traditionally associated with femininity. The fact that you have a few traits that aren't associated with traditional femininity does not change that. As OP said, "all but the very extreme cases will have many ov… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 04:07 AM |
| 2 | A short personal opinion surveya few other incendiary statements Please, quote whatever you see as incendiary. The problem with our society is that maybe only 5% of the population can read that memo and actually understand it A great deal of the population can read and understand it; what we're seeing from this thread and the other thread on it is that most people will choose not to read it if it's smeared as a "sexist screed" right out of the gate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 09:31 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?Assange was definitely leveraging the situation for his own personal gain, but it's ludicrous to suggest that the memo guy doesn't have highly-useful skills. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 09:10 PM |
| 5 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?I absolutely did. Then you didn't read it very thoroughly. He makes it abundantly clear that women are predisposed to have a great deal of attributes that are needed at Google. He notes that population-level differences do not say much about individuals; that "Group A is generally better at X than Group B" is not the same as "every member of Group A is better at X than every member of Group B." He provides suggestions on how Google can make itself more friendly to women. None of this is anything… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 09:08 PM |
| 2 | False accusations of sexual assault are not a wide-spread problemIn the absence of firm evidence either way you have to resort to logic to form your opinions, and this logic is pretty convincing. There will always be people who will take the path of least resistance to achieve their goal, and if a woman's goal is either revenge or deflecting responsibility for unfaithfulness a false accusation is that path. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 08:59 PM |
| 1 | False accusations of sexual assault are not a wide-spread problemSocial desirability bias, among many other factors. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 08:45 PM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyWhat do you think about the tone of these questions? Is it calm or aggressive? Thoughtful or reactionary? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 08:25 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?Not the only question. No one is on here to discuss best HR practices. We're on here to discuss questions like "What kind of society are we living in where a calm, rational memo about how Google treats different groups can cause a firestorm of internet outrage?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 08:24 PM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyWhat do you think about the tone of these questions? Is it calm or aggressive? Thoughtful or reactionary? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 08:21 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?Sure, if you're solely looking at this through the lens of "should he have been fired?". He should have; many people on the red side agree with that. My points are taking issue with the characterization that "he criticized his workplace." What he wrote is about the gentlest, most fact-based "criticism" one could produce, and sniffing out issues with Google and creating solutions is squarely in his job description. This goes to show that he didn't get fired for criticizing his workplace -- he got… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 08:19 PM |
| 5 | A Dichotomy of Feminine QualitiesI'd say a better way to categorize these traits is "modern" (your "active" list) and "traditional" (your "passive" list). I agree that the first list is mostly active qualities and the second is mostly passive, but I think the modern/traditional labels fit what you're getting at a bit better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 08:12 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?That only addresses my first point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 08:05 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?Fair enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?he got the job offer without even having his skills considered (if he has anything special, which is questionable) He has a PhD from Harvard and was working at one of the most respected companies in the world. He likely has a LinkedIn page with some form of resume on it, too. It's unlikely his skills weren't considered, and it's laughable to suggest he doesn't "have anything special." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 07:48 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?written and distributed at work It's not as if he was going around pushing pamphlets on people, though -- this was written on an internal Google discussion board that serves the express purpose of discussing these sorts of workplace issues. And the topic is Google company policy, not saving the whales or some other, unrelated political cause. Google essentially asked its employees to comment on its company policies, and when someone did so in a way Google didn't want, it fired him. I agree that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 07:45 PM |
| 3 | Just be yourself is the single best piece of advice anyone could ever tell youIf I give you a one-line platitude and need eight paragraphs to properly explain it, it's a useless platitude. If I give you detailed advice that covers a number of areas and it runs eight paragraphs, all of that can be good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Just be yourself is the single best piece of advice anyone could ever tell you"Just be yourself" 824 words to kinda-sorta explain what "just be yourself" really means | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 07:24 PM |
| 1 | Just be yourself is the single best piece of advice anyone could ever tell youEh, even that's unoriginal -- dates back at least to a 2011 South Park episode. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 07:23 PM |
| 8 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?a fact they've clearly stated Yes, that's the company line. It's extremely common to fire someone for reason A and state that the firing was for reason B. I said "implying". He didn't outright say this, he just concern trolled his way through "maaaybe it's because of their biological differences", and then didn't present any of the possible alternatives. You didn't read it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 07:14 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?You're accusing the author of calling women and non-white people inferior. Yes, that's "railing," and it's quite obviously weighing in on the memo itself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 07:03 PM |
| 1 | A short personal opinion surveyWhat do you think about the tone of these questions? Is it calm or aggressive? Thoughtful or reactionary? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?Please, quote the part of the memo that says anything of the sort. You didn't read it, yet you're on here railing against it. What does that tell you about your bias in this situation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 06:25 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?but from what I've read, he worded his objections rather poorly Did you read the "manifesto" itself, or just articles about it? The original document isn't bad at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 06:22 PM |
| 7 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?You can't go on a tirade about highly politicized ideas and rant about your place of work. Someone didn't do the reading. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 06:20 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?That was a hypocrite firing a hypocrite. No one gives a shit because there's nothing new to that story -- both parties were seen as shitheads before, and both are seen as shitheads now. This situation is a company that supposedly values openness of opinions -- and is supposed to really value that, instead of just giving it the standard corporate lip service -- revealing what it really is. Different scenarios. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 06:14 PM |
| 7 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?First, my understanding is that his criticism was not intended to be made public. It was an internal memo on an internal Google discussion board; a place designed to discuss workplace issues. Second, it's his job to "criticize" his workplace. This isn't some fast food worker who just has to put his head down and flip burgers -- his whole position revolves around finding things Google can do better, and then making it happen. He's supposed to say "this page loads too slow, here's how to fix it," … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 06:08 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL Are /r/theredpill users generally low-status men? If so does this help explain their overt hostility towards women?Why would guys who are high status bother to read TRP? Plenty of average or high-status guys read TRP. They got burned and don't want it to happen again. They've had a bit of success with women, but want more success and on their own terms. They became successful through earlier PUA material and naturally found their way to TRP. They already have a relationship but want it to improve (e.g. more sex, more respect). They stumbled across it from another reddit conversation and found stuff they agre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 04:37 PM |
| 7 | Q4ALL Are /r/theredpill users generally low-status men? If so does this help explain their overt hostility towards women?It says that halo nerds are not hateful towards women while casual players are. Exactly. From the article: According to the study, which was recently published in the journal PLOS One, men who were worse players than their peers tended to hurl more nastiness at female gamers. On the other hand, men who knew their way around the console were nicer to male and female players. Let's see... which group is likely to be actual, real-life "losers" here? The guys who (likely because they play less, and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: Why do women love assholes? (Legit assholes)The same way a normal guy is not going to have the same success as Russel Brand. How does he not understand this? He understands that an unskilled laborer isn't going to have the same success as a doctor, much as an average dude understands he's not going to have the same success as a movie star. But there's a huge gap between "not have the same success" and "have very little success, if any at all." The fact that you're treating his expectation not to starve as an expectation of a movie star li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 04:20 PM |
| 3 | Google Fires Ph.D Biologist/Engineer For Claiming -- "On average, men and women biologically differ in many ways. "He didn't get fired for criticism of Google; he got fired for (perceived) criticism of women. Had he written 10 pages on how certain Google products are sub-optimal because of inefficient project management practices, he would have gotten praised for taking initiative, and there's a good chance his ideas would have been seriously considered. The whole purpose of guys like this at companies like this is to find better ways to do things, which by default involves criticizing the current way of doi… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/08/17 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Why not date a Single Mother? Here’s a good reasonPrioritizing her kids doesn't necessarily make her a bad partner. In comparison to a partner without kids? It absolutely does. Just the logistical side of it is a significant hassle. Something as simple as a casual dinner date suddenly requires finding a babysitter, being home at a certain time, and the possibility of dropping everything at any moment if there's an issue. And kiss goodbye the possibility of her regularly sleeping over at your place, or the two of you going off on a short-notice … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 01:53 PM |
| 1 | Why not date a Single Mother? Here’s a good reasonIf a partner constantly requires you to play second fiddle to someone else, that's less than ideal. This is just basic logic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 01:46 PM |
| 41 | Google Fires Ph.D Biologist/Engineer For Claiming -- "On average, men and women biologically differ in many ways. ""To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." | /r/TheRedPill | 08/08/17 05:37 PM |
| 2 | How Running Changed My LifeYou only need to look at the appearance of a sprinter and a long distance runner to see that the latter will strip you of your muscle and have you looking like you need a few good meals. Distance running doesn't strip you of muscle. Boxers will run several miles each day without losing muscle mass. What you're seeing is high-level distance runners, who consciously avoid putting on upper body muscle as it's near useless in their sport. It's not an effect of running, it's a training strategy. Runn… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/08/17 05:28 PM |
| 1 | How Running Changed My LifeGet some compression shorts to wear under your gym shorts. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/08/17 05:24 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: Why do women love assholes? (Legit assholes)The author's point is that it'd be remarkably abrasive and callous to call this guy entitled, and a whiner, and claim he's a bad person for even asking the question. It's a stupid, dickish response that completely ignores the reality of his situation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 02:27 PM |
| 2 | Why not date a Single Mother? Here’s a good reasonSeriously. I never know what to do with these "Why it's a bad idea to date X" threads. Like... okay? Noted? "What's the big deal?" Discuss? Yes, the kid will come first, as they should. If that's a problem for you, duh, you shouldn't date a mother. "Duh." So, the kid will be a priority. How is that some new discovery? "Of course that's true..." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 02:24 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Why do women love assholes? (Legit assholes)No, that's not it at all. He's asking why a guys who works hard, at two jobs, never takes days off, and always gives 110% -- all the things society tells you to do if you want to be successful -- is barely able to keep his head above water, when others don't have to work half as hard to do far better. He feels like he's missing something, or that he's getting a raw deal. The author's point is that it'd be remarkably abrasive and callous to call this guy entitled, and a whiner, and claim he's a b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 12:47 AM |
| 3 | Why not date a Single Mother? Here’s a good reasonRed pillers often say that single moms make bad partners. Blue pillers often argue against that, saying that single moms are fine partners. But in this thread there's all sorts of blue pill backpedaling. Suddenly it's obvious that single moms make bad partners, for exactly the reasons TRP has always noted. And red pillers are idiots for even having this conversation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 12:25 AM |
| 11 | [Discussion] What "assholes" actually areThere are people who are objectively assholes who have success with women. Generally they aren't called assholes because they're successful; they're called assholes because they're assholes. The point is that the idea of "you only think he's an asshole because you're peanut butter and jealous" is flawed; some people really are assholes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 06:56 PM |
| 6 | Why not date a Single Mother? Here’s a good reasonTons of blue pill goalpost moving in this thread, in the form of "of course [insert TRP idea] is true, what's the big deal?". This stuff wouldn't even be a topic of discussion if blues didn't treat it as a big deal before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 06:54 PM |
| 3 | Why not date a Single Mother? Here’s a good reasonalso, date or don't date who you want; it's not a big deal. Tell that to TBP, which has a huge problem with TRP dating or don't dating who they want. If blue pillers walked this walk, they'd have no issue with a small group of guys on the internet not wanting to date a subset of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 06:52 PM |
| 7 | [Discussion] What "assholes" actually areThere are people who are objectively assholes, though. A guy working at Walmart who cuts people off in traffic, gets drunk and wants to fight the ump at a rec league softball game, and gets into constant verbal spats with coworkers is an asshole, and no one is jealous of his "success." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 06:46 PM |
| 1 | "Motherhood isn't Sacrifice, it's Selfishness"being assumed to be the primary caretaker with the more difficult job is not good for women How so? This perception doesn't create more work for women, or pressure them into accepting a role they don't want. It does create status for them ("toughest job"), incentivize helping them ("don't you want to help a hard-working single mother?"), and excuse any missteps ("she has so much on her plate"). Look at it this way -- would you rather be known as the hardest-working person at the office who does … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 06:43 PM |
| 3 | What will dating look like 20 years from now?Everything is trainable, but there are vastly different learning curves, and some people just aren't cut out for some jobs, no matter what training they receive. An Uber drive and a lawyer both need to be trained, but the latter has a much steeper learning curve, and many people who could competently drive a car for Uber just don't have the mental firepower to be a competent lawyer, or they'd require so much training that it'd be wildly impractical to provide. Imagine a guy who struggles to get … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 05:57 PM |
| 3 | Q4BP: Why do women love assholes? (Legit assholes)I think if it becomes a pattern you can probably conclude it's more than just hotness. But the pattern only exists where hotness (at least relative to the guy) exists. Men will date (relative to them) hot crazy women, but not ugly crazy women. Therefore the pattern is that hot is attractive, not crazy. I'd be one thing if crazy produced other personal attributes -- e.g. drama and neediness -- that men desired, but again, I don't see the vast majority of men enjoying those attributes. I wouldn't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 05:51 PM |
| 1 | "Motherhood isn't Sacrifice, it's Selfishness"I was hoping you could provide some information showing that it is. What sort of evidence would satisfy you? Because here's how this conversation usually goes on here: Provide a number of mainstream articles showing obviously mainstream narrative ("moms have the toughest job in the world") Point out that the author is almost certainly a feminist -- either she calls herself one, or displays obviously feminist ideas Point out that mainstream culture is feminist-leaning, and therefore mainstream ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 05:38 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Why do women love assholes? (Legit assholes)I'm sure that appeals to some guys, but they're few and far between. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 05:25 PM |
| 2 | What will dating look like 20 years from now?When assembly lines displaced workers they created unskilled labor jobs. You're out of work building handcrafted cabinets, but at least you can go work at a factory that churns out manufactured cabinets. You might have a worse job, but you'll still have a job. Automation today is replacing even unskilled labor. Think of all the jobs you could get today, with no special education or skills. Want to work the register at McDonalds? Self-order kiosks are already replacing those positions. Want to dr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 05:21 PM |
| 4 | What will dating look like 20 years from now?Plus, hot rich women are generally going for hot men who are rich now and grew up rich -- that's even higher status than someone who is rich today but worked their way up. Self-made rich men will therefore turn more to the "attractive poor" because they can't get "attractive rich." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 05:12 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Why do women love assholes? (Legit assholes)Required reading for anyone who wants to seriously discuss "nice guys" and assholes: I recently had a patient, a black guy from the worst part of Detroit, let’s call him Dan, who was telling me of his woes. He came from a really crappy family with a lot of problems, but he was trying really hard to make good. He was working two full-time minimum wage jobs, living off cheap noodles so he could save some money in the bank, trying to scrape a little bit of cash together... [H]e asked... why haven’t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 05:07 PM |
| 6 | Q4BP: Why do women love assholes? (Legit assholes)As /u/LewisCross said elsewhere in this thread -- men who are attracted to hot women who are crazy aren't attracted to the crazy, they're attracted to the hot. No one wants to deal with an ugly BPD chick, because what's the upside? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 04:57 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Why do women love assholes? (Legit assholes)Its not just the women themselves, but their parents and friends will sometimes even to push them, and support them in such relationships, normalizing the dynamic. I could buy this argument a few decades ago, but who is pushing this narrative today? There's a huge cultural focus on "abusive" behaviors, and on leaving guys who are bad, and on being a Strong Independent Woman who can go out and do her own thing if a guy sucks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 04:54 PM |
| 10 | Q4BP: Why do women love assholes? (Legit assholes)It's a really good series of explanations because at least half of it is TRP verbatim: Its partly because some industries and lifestyles are more cutthroat than others, and being an asshole is tacitly encouraged. Its partly because some women have a certain unconscious emotional desires that attract them into abusive relationships... Its partly because assholes are more likely to be aggressively sexual, assume women want to fuck him and pursue women with explicitly sexual goals when a more polit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 04:50 PM |
| 1 | "Motherhood isn't Sacrifice, it's Selfishness"Is it feminism that mostly says "motherhood is the most difficult job in the world" though? The author of the article is a feminist and she disagrees. I'm sure I can find some Republicans who think constant tax cuts for the rich are unproductive and irresponsible, but that doesn't make that the Republican party line, or what the majority of Republicans openly or implicitly endorse. Who else is pushing that narrative? encouraging women to take on their traditional role which is not valued monetar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 04:44 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: Thoughts on the Google Manifesto?Pretty hilarious that this is being portrayed as some right-wing pushback: Feminism has made great progress in freeing women from the female gender role, but men are still very much tied to the male gender role. If we, as a society, allow men to be more “feminine,” then the gender gap will shrink, although probably because men will leave tech and leadership for traditionally feminine roles. The guy very clearly isn't coming at this from some butthurt, reactionary insecurity, and this very clearl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 03:42 PM |
| 5 | Q4ALL: Thoughts on the Google Manifesto?He won't be completely out of a job, but this is the definition of a "career limiting move." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 03:24 PM |
| 1 | "Motherhood isn't Sacrifice, it's Selfishness"What does it say about society when a major interest group (feminism) is allowed to lie so blatantly, and everyone just has to accept it or risk social censure? This is what TRP means by "the feminine imperative." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 03:18 PM |
| 1 | Society Would Not Function Without The BluepillI know there are plenty of divorces that amount to one or both parties just getting bored. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Single mothers often marry attractive alpha menWhat about... getting along well? One can "get along well" with many different people. And that's all love is -- getting along well, affection, and the familiarity that comes with time. It's preposterous on the face of things to believe love is some unique thing that you can only find in one other person on the planet; you can find it over and over if you have the opportunity to have relationships with enough people. Successful, attractive men have that opportunity, and if they sleep around a bi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/17 04:56 PM |
| 2 | Society Would Not Function Without The BluepillAllowing marriages to end for any reason, at any time, for no other reason than "eh, not feeling it right now" is a negative. Breaking up families over something so trivial is a negative. Harming the development of children over "mom and dad couldn't act like adults" is negative. We can talk about what exactly should be grounds for divorce, but it should be obvious that being able to get a divorce for any reason (or no reason at all) is ridiculous. That completely undermines the point of marriag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/17 04:51 PM |
| 2 | Society Would Not Function Without The BluepillIt fatally weakened the institution of marriage, which is historically tied to basically all bedrocks of society. Married people are better employees, because they're more tied to a given place and stand to lose a lot more if they lose their job. They can't just move across the country for another job on a whim, and have a lot more bills to pay if they're fired. Married people are better consumers, because they buy bigger houses, more cars, have kids, and buy all the shit associated with all of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/17 04:40 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: Would you marry a woman who had an N-count of 60?her behaviour is not that common. How would you know? Maybe a bunch of women who tell you 6-7 have also slept with 50 men. Why would you take their word at face value when you know at least one person who nonchalantly lies about it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/17 11:13 AM |
| 1 | Single mothers often marry attractive alpha menSure -- but a huge amount of attractive women do. You have an abundance of options as a successful, attractive man. Look at professional athletes, movie stars, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/17 11:05 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: If men prefer harems, then isn't it men who are settling in their marriages and not women, who prefer exclusive relationships?Most men settle, but not because they're sick of dating multiple women at the same time. Most men aren't even close to having the opportunity to do that. High-value men settle in the sense OP is taking about -- they're foregoing multiple women for just one. Low-value men either A) get lucky and are happy with their partner, or B) settle in the sense that the aren't thrilled about their partner but have no comparably good options. Even if she's overweight, even if she bitches at them a lot, even … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/17 10:59 AM |
| 1 | Single mothers often marry attractive alpha menThen good for him. But we're not talking about that situation -- we're talking about a situation where "we have to choose from what is there." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/17 10:48 AM |
| 1 | Single mothers often marry attractive alpha menFair enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:42 AM |
| 2 | Single mothers often marry attractive alpha menIf a guy is stuck choosing between unattractive options, he's not a high-value man. A high-value man has good options by default. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:39 AM |
| 3 | Single mothers often marry attractive alpha menBlue pillers laugh at field reports and ask how any idiot could believe a story from the internet, then turn around and expect us to believe whatever anecdote is trotted out from their side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:36 AM |
| 6 | Single mothers often marry attractive alpha menHe's not here to have a discussion; he's here to rant and bask in the glory of how right he is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:33 AM |
| 3 | Single mothers often marry attractive alpha menA responsible single mom who takes great care of her kid shows positive qualities that a woman without kid cannot yet display. Like what? Any non-"good with kids" quality can be displayed by a non-parent, and even that one can be glimpsed through interactions with other peoples' kids. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:32 AM |
| 3 | Are we (RP) a bit hypocritical for judging AF/BB?It's a bit unfair for us to smash until we're 30,35, and then go "hmmm, I think I'll go get a 18-23 year old with an n-count of less than 4". Unfair? Life isn't fair. You get the best deal you can negotiate, not what some arbitrary definition of "fair" determines you should get. The question is whether guys can pull that off, not whether they should or should not in order to cater to the whims of strangers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:28 AM |
| 3 | Men's SMV actually peaks at 28, young women dating significantly older men is usually BBIf you work on your body, you're going to look a lot better in your mid- to late-20s than you do in your early 20s, and that peak can last for 5-10 years. Most pro athletes (men who by-definition work on their bodies) don't peak at 20-22, they peak at 26-28, and generally don't see serious age-related decline until their mid-30s. A lot of that decline is related to injuries, too, which aren't nearly as common among normal men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:20 AM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: What confuses you the most about this purple pill/red pill/blue pill/black pill stuff?How some men on MRP will run to an internet forum for validation instead of just opening a dialogue with their spouse. They've tried that, and it hasn't worked. Hell, sometimes their wife will literally tell them what's wrong, but they'll ignore it and copypaste private conversations for fellow MRPrs to dissect and analyze. Whether she's knowingly lying or unknowingly giving bad information, what she tells them often isn't the real problem. The quintessential example is why she isn't in the mood… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:15 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: What confuses you the most about this purple pill/red pill/blue pill/black pill stuff?Everyone wants to be a special snowflake. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:08 AM |
| 15 | Q4ALL: What confuses you the most about this purple pill/red pill/blue pill/black pill stuff?For me it is stuff like the men's right movement and incels bitching about not getting the top tier women. ...So, made up stuff? Those guys aren't shooting for Kate Upton and nothing less; they just don't like it when they're told "to get laid you're going to have to lower your standards all the way to landwhales, who you'll have to treat pretty well to get the time of day." Those guys would be head-over-heels for a woman who is just decent looking and into them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/17 09:07 AM |
| 2 | On Wedding CostsThe problem imo is the atomization of society. Back in the day, most of your close friends and family lived close enough to drive, and everyone could just bring a dish for dinner and call it a day. I was thinking about this the other day, and it makes a lot of sense. Another related factor is that expectations are lower when you see each other more often -- seeing Grandma isn't a special occasion, it's just another Saturday. You don't need to "make it worth it" because it's not a big deal in the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/17 08:16 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no free sex, no one gets sex handed to them purely for existing.Plenty of drugs can produce potentially lethal withdrawal symptoms, including alcohol: The symptoms of alcohol withdrawal can be severe; sudden withdrawal can cause brain damage, seizures, heart palpitations, and other effects that can result in hospitalization or death. There's a fundamental difference between intoxicants that can kill you if don't cut back properly and food. In any event, the vast majority of overweight people don't have a real food addiction that's even remotely on par with a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/17 05:20 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no free sex, no one gets sex handed to them purely for existing.A moderate diet doesn't produce potentially lethal withdrawal symptoms. Are you seriously comparing eating healthy to kicking a drug habit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/17 01:00 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no free sex, no one gets sex handed to them purely for existing.I'd assume that the deciding factor on how much she gets approached is her demeanor... If she's sitting there making no eye contact and giving clear "keep away" body language, there would be minimal approaches. I'm not a woman, but I hear many women complain about men approaching when they're intentionally trying to look bitchy, or intentionally have on headphones to look generally disinterested. Demeanor at very least isn't a dealbreaker for plenty of men, and simply not looking like you're goi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 05:21 PM |
| 2 | Question for Men: What do you like about casual sex?You are just using someone else's body as a fancy masterbation device. It seems obvious to me that sex -- especially good sex -- is on an entirely different plane than masturbation. It seems ridiculous to compare the two. Or a series of short term relationships with multiple women? This is the ideal -- the intimacy and familiarity benefits of an LTR without the longer-term risks and downsides, and the variety of casual sex without the risks and effort of that. Hence TRP's advice to spin plates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 05:15 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no free sex, no one gets sex handed to them purely for existing.Not really. "Game" is nothing more than applying sales techniques to attracting people; the product is yourself. A woman acting interested is the equivalent of a customer acting interested -- extremely minimal communication is needed if the other party knows what they're doing, it's passive instead of active. I don't think comparing game to acting interested is reasonable in the same way I don't think comparing sales techniques to nodding along with a salesman is reasonable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 05:07 PM |
| 3 | CMV: There is no free sex, no one gets sex handed to them purely for existing.It's absolutely a minor effort -- it boils down to inaction, as in eating less. You don't even have to do anything to get down to a healthy weight, you just have to not do stuff that's bad for you (overeating). The effort is almost nonexistent. All you need is a moderate amount of discipline. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Alpha Males Do Not ExistOh my bad, let me ask, where are those It's hilariously dishonest to suggest that there aren't countless TRP posts on the concept of "alpha." And are those remotely good enough for the infinitely large amount of scenarios that the socially-retarded TRP users will face out in the real world? Yes. Obviously not all possible scenarios will be covered, but there's no need to come anywhere close to that -- you only need enough for the audience to understand the idea. those bravado-spewing guys are so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 04:51 PM |
| 2 | Alpha Males Do Not ExistPages and pages, huh? You mean the random mentions of alphaing alphas in the TRP field reports? These sentences are completely devoid of substance. Using stupid-sounding language to describe advice doesn't make it stupid, it shows that you don't have any real criticism besides name calling. Yeah, this isn't going to help some social retard that found his way to TRP become better at anything. Actually, repetition and describing the same concepts from different angles is a great way to learn. Agai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 04:28 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no free sex, no one gets sex handed to them purely for existing.They certainly don't have to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 03:11 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There is no free sex, no one gets sex handed to them purely for existing.OK, take a natural 6 or 7. A reasonably attractive woman who does little more than eat a moderate amount of decent food, bathe regularly, and comb her hair. No fancy makeup, no elaborate hairstyle, no expensive clothing. That woman could go to a bar in sweatpants and get hit on, and if she acts interested it won't be hard to find a guy willing to do the rest of the legwork required to get her into bed. There are plenty of women out there who fit that bill, or who could easily fit that bill if th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 02:48 PM |
| 2 | Alpha Males Do Not ExistSome definitely involve subjectivity, and to add complication some can either be alpha or beta depending on the context. That's why there isn't just a one-page primer on this stuff over on TRP; there are pages and pages of discussion and elaboration and clarification of specific scenarios. It's like asking "How do I make a car that will be appealing to customers?" There are a ton of directions you can take that question, yet there are some fundamentals that are important for any car. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 02:36 PM |
| 7 | Alpha Males Do Not Exist"alpha male" is meant to be an aid to help men understand a bunch of complex ideas all at once A better way to think of the terms alpha and beta is as descriptors of behaviors and traits, not people as a whole. Someone may have certain alpha traits (tall) and behaviors (confidence) but have other beta traits (fat) and behaviors (soft spoken) that outweigh them. A person who has a bundle of mostly alpha attributes is called an alpha as convenient shorthand, even if they aren't alpha to the max in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/17 04:33 AM |
| 12 | Q4all: How true do you think the statement "it's only creepy if they are unattractive" is?It's one of those ideas that is so obvious no one will oppose it if you put it in the spotlight. If you make a whole thread about it and focus on solely that idea, even hardcore blue pillers and feminists will admit that it's true (although often in the form of "of course it is -- do you idiots need that told to you, now?"). But they change their tune when the idea is brought up as part of a conversation on another topic. That's where you see what you're seeing; denial of the obvious. They get i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/17 01:26 PM |
| 4 | When referring to "society" what is exactly meant?dominant cultural expectations That's the key. Everyone is to some degree influenced by mainstream, popular ideas/media/customs. Even if you don't buy into any of that stuff personally, it still affects you indirectly as others start to define you by your opposition to it. "Society" is so pervasive that you can't fully escape it short of drastic measures (e.g. moving to China, ignoring all American news/media/information). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/17 01:20 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: How true is this statement?You need to re-read this thread, because you aren't paying attention. OP references a story about a man who finds video proof of his wife lying about her past sex life. Ignoring the story from the OP, you ask how it would even be possible for a man to find out that his wife lied about her past sex life. Rather than point out to you the possibility from the OP (which again, you had ignored, and someone else had already pointed that out to you anyway), I list a number of other possibilities. Now y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 07:02 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Sexual freedom already exists for men, and it doesn't make them more selectiveFat women aren't becoming prostitutes in Thailand. Why not? It's a relatively lucrative job, and though it's no walk in the park it sure beats a lot of other unskilled employment options over there. So why aren't fat women becoming prostitutes? Obviously it's because there's not enough demand for them to make any money. And there's no demand because men with options (i.e. men who pay for sex and can therefore be picky) raise their standards. No one wants to pay for a fat chick. They can't choose… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: How true is this statement?The whole basis of what you're doing is trying to establish what their sexual history has been, so that you can decide whether or not they're a good prospect, purely based on that information. No, no, and no. This stuff comes up in normal "getting to know you" conversations; very few men out there are "trying to establish what their sexual history has been." And even fewer men are basing their entire perception of a woman on her partner count; it's one factor among many. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 06:53 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: How true is this statement?I was trying to assess the posters claim that women are constantly dating better men than the last. The OP doesn't make that claim. Quite the opposite, in fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 06:50 PM |
| 1 | Do women lie about what they are attracted to or do some people just not understand that women are individuals?non genetic/acquired characteristics have little to no value Nonsense. If Brad Pitt gained 300 pounds his SMV would plummet; if some 300 pound guy got into great shape his SMV would rise significantly. Women don't fuck genes -- they fuck the guy in front of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: How true is this statement?you're trying to find out information from them so you can judge them No, you're not. You're getting to know them, and conversations about this stuff are a normal part of that. If I'm getting to know a friend and ask them what they do for a living, that's not some attempt to judge them based on their occupation, that's a normal fucking conversation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 03:07 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Sexual freedom already exists for men, and it doesn't make them more selective$50 for a fuck or $30 for a blowjob is available to a vast majority of the population. The flight over there (plus lodging and other travel expenses) and significant time off work aren't available to the vast majority, though. The average American has less than $1000 in their savings account. Because that's the only women there that are prostitutes. ...Because no one wants to pay to have sex with a fat woman. When they can choose between many options because they're paying, men get more selectiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 03:02 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: How true is this statement?do you think it's even realistic that women are constantly dating better men than the last? Of course not -- I said nothing of the sort, nor implied it. I used dating an obviously better man as an example of how silly it is to ask "what does 'better' even mean?". Obviously some partners are better than others. Nothing about that fact suggests that "women are constantly dating better men than the last." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: How true is this statement?I can't imagine why anyone would not tell the whole truth when asked such questions... No one asks questions as stupidly blunt as that. Part of getting to know one another is talking about your pasts, and inevitably that touches on past partners and relationships, and inevitably touches on discussions of sex and relationships that always draw from your experiences. It's not an interrogation; it's them talking and you listening. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 01:35 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Sexual freedom already exists for men, and it doesn't make them more selectivesexual freedom already exists for men, and even though it's not easily attainable I'm free to buy a couple of private jets, but that's essentially meaningless if it's not easily attainable. Something that is functionally available to only a small percentage of the population is stretching the definition of "freedom" to comical terms. It doesn't appear to be making men more selective From your picture (and common sense) it looks like men in that environment are only picking young, fit, reasonably… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 11:54 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: How true is this statement?Why you would torture yourself over the other stuff, I have no idea. Because they all suggest (or establish) that she's lied to you in the past. That's a pretty big issue for most people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 11:45 AM |
| 2 | Q4All: How true is this statement?There are some things that really can't be compromised and are 'dealbreakers' in relationships. Of course. It's just a matter of knowing what your dealbreakers are, and which attributes are more important than others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 11:44 AM |
| 5 | Q4All: How true is this statement?I mean, we'd all like a woman who looks like Kate Upton, is willing to do anything and everything you'd ever want in bed, is a billionaire, and has the most charming personality you could imagine. But in the real world options are limited, and if you want an LTR you pick a partner based on the sum total of the bundle of attributes they bring to the table. Usually that bundle of attributes is a little lacking in one or two areas even if it's great in many others. For example, imagine a woman who … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 06:18 AM |
| 5 | Q4All: How true is this statement?Doubling down on it I see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 06:11 AM |
| 3 | Q4All: How true is this statement?Plenty of ways. Trickle truth Inconsistencies crop up when the same story is told multiple times (e.g. originally "I dated one guy in college for 3 years," to "I dated this guy sophomore year in college, then another guy as a junior and senior") Friends/family tell a story they assumed she had told you/wouldn't be surprising, because they assume she was honest with you (e.g. mention of how "Jan and I had some crazy nights when we first moved to Denver" when she's always told you she never liked … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 06:08 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: How true is this statement?Only here would such a question be taken seriously. In the real world, everyone can see that certain partners are better than others. Maybe they're funnier, maybe they're kinder, maybe their life goals align better with yours, maybe they have a more interesting job/life, maybe they're more attractive, etc. If you go from dating an unemployed, fat, verbally abusive guy to a handsome, fun, kind guy with a good job your friends and family will tell you they like your new boyfriend better than your … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 05:49 AM |
| 2 | Do women lie about what they are attracted to or do some people just not understand that women are individuals?Everybody else in the entire universe thinks that women grease the wheels Weasel words. They aren't telling the truth, they aren't telling even part of the truth. They're lying. Call a spade a spade. as opposed to trying to make individual men feel better about their individual selves Just about every red piller in this thread is saying that women are "trying to make individual men feel better about their individual selves." Those women are still lying, even if their intentions are to make the g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Do women lie about what they are attracted to or do some people just not understand that women are individuals?Generally, these things are recognized as having specific characteristics in their respective locations. Not really. What's "tall" to a 5'6" American may be different than what's "tall" to a 6'1" American. What's "poor" to an American making $30,000/year may be different than what's "poor" to an American making $100,000/year. These definitions are inherently loose and variable. To my knowledge, I think the US is the only one that passes around this "Alpha/Beta" concept like it's an actual thing.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 05:22 AM |
| 3 | Do women lie about what they are attracted to or do some people just not understand that women are individuals?Who decides what's "acceptable?" Lying is widely seen as undesirable. This is just one of those things that the vast majority of society tacitly agrees upon, and if you happen to live in that society you're usually going to be subject to its norms. But good luck changing it. I have no illusions about changing it. But the question in this thread is "do women lie?" -- it's fundamentally about whether the behavior in question is worthy of criticism. It is, because yes, women do lie, no matter how i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 04:56 AM |
| 2 | Do women lie about what they are attracted to or do some people just not understand that women are individuals?Except for smart and dumb, those others are based on objective factors. They're all relative, though. "Rich" and "poor" mean very different things in the U.S. than they mean in Guatemala. "Tall" and "short" mean very different things in Finland than they do in China. And as you pointed out, "smart" and "dumb" aren't purely objective, and yet we have no trouble tossing those labels around. Labels are useful, so people will use them. It makes no sense to throw them out just because they're not per… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 04:46 AM |
| 3 | Do women lie about what they are attracted to or do some people just not understand that women are individuals?A woman breaking bad news to her boss is not worrying about maintaining the integrity of her social circle. She's worried about her career, which is a similarly important concern. No one likes to be the bearer of bad news when there's a real chance of shooting the messenger. But this is just how feminine women communicate... You're better off learning how they communicate. This sort of cop out isn't acceptable in any other setting -- why is it acceptable here? And even if you believe it's a femi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 04:43 AM |
| 2 | Do women lie about what they are attracted to or do some people just not understand that women are individuals?Why describe and label others as smart or dumb? Rich or poor? Tall or short? Can't we all just be humans? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 04:26 AM |
| 5 | Do women lie about what they are attracted to or do some people just not understand that women are individuals?It is not lying. Eh, we're playing with semantics here. If a woman tells an unattractive man that he's fine and plenty of women would find him attractive, she isn't telling the truth. She isn't telling part of the truth and stretching the rest with a compliment, either. Her intentions may be noble, but she's still lying. And this isn't a feminine thing -- women do not communicate like this in all (or most) situations. If a woman has to break some bad news to her boss, she's not going to avoid th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 04:24 AM |
| 2 | Do women lie about what they are attracted to or do some people just not understand that women are individuals?Being honest with most men would sound like "your genes suck and you don't have anything of value to make up for that". That's far from true for most men, though. If most men get down to a healthy weight, get a tan, get a good haircut, put on a little muscle, take care of their teeth, learn how to smile and be entertaining in social situations, etc., they'll do fine. They're far from hopeless. The average man is not some disfigured midget with nothing going in their life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 04:12 AM |
| 2 | If men could suddenly have sex with almost any woman, would they become increasingly selective?Thanks for at least admitting this. Is that the goal here? Is this supposed to be some sort of "gotcha" moment for red pillers? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 04:04 AM |
| 2 | QForRPMen: What do you think datin and being a male pre-sexual revolution was like.It's either bullshit or an acute case of "I don't understand that my experiences are far from typical." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 03:55 AM |
| 4 | People who have happy relationships or a satisfactory dating life in general, how is it?It's not odd at all -- the current dating scene caters quite heavily to women (arguably it has always catered to women). An average woman can find a reasonably attractive man have for about any type of relationship she wants short of serious commitment. Even serious commitment is available pretty easily if she gives it a little time and is a reasonable person. It's culturally acceptable to demand tons of stuff from guys ("happy wife, happy life") and act like a child sometimes. Controlling behav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 06:04 AM |
| 5 | Why doesn't society just tell boys/men what girls/women want?why do white nerds think its some sacred arcane knowledge that chicks like hot and confident guys? Because they're told the exact opposite by authority figures they trust -- parents, religious leaders, scout masters, etc. They're told that if you're respectful and treat her nicely she'll like you, and that of course it doesn't come down to just hot and confident because Women Are Wonderful and they'll recognize you for being a good person, and that don't mind all those hot and confident guys who… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 05:36 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty GoodYou certainly get sexual attention, but that's not all you get. A mid-level manager who pays more attention to you at a meeting because you're pretty might not even be conscious of the reason for his bias, and if he is, he's certainly not going to display it openly -- meaning you get all sorts of other, professional, beneficial attention without anything overtly (or remotely, in most cases) sexual. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 05:24 AM |
| 1 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.A sex addiction might be similar to a heroin addiction, but we're not talking about sex addicts here. We're talking about normal guys who want to have casual sex. The comp is a normal guy who wants to go out and have a few beers on the weekend. Saying casual sex guy has an addiction is as ridiculous as saying Jim at the bar who has four beers each Friday has an addiction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 07:27 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty GoodMaybe. If she's a bit above average looking she'll at least be able to get people's attention; plenty of young men struggle with even that. Somewhat related, she's also less likely to be dismissed out of hand as people are less likely to be short with a woman than they would be with a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 07:23 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty GoodAs I said, of course PPD women are going to paint an overly-rosy picture of their lives if it means they get to disagree with TRP. Blue pillers go to bat for all sorts of garbage on here if TRP says the opposite. You probably also have a self-selecting element to it, where unhappy post-wall women are a lot less likely to support blue pill beliefs because they've seen firsthand what happens when they don't pan out. A woman who slept around a lot in her youth, settled for a guy she wasn't wild abo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 07:03 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty Goodit's all about the money Nonsense. Money helps, but by itself it's nowhere near enough to be happy. There are all sorts of wealthy people who are unhappy. After all your needs are well provided for and you have ample disposable income more money doesn't do a whole lot. And successful women usually end up finding a guy who values them for their achievements . Achievements always, always come behind looks and demeanor/personality. They're a nice perk, but if she's not great looking and a jaded shr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 07:00 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty GoodBut I can tell you that TRP guys are in an echo chamber of believing that post-wall women are miserable. A good chunk of them are miserable, so this isn't too much of a stretch. As for the happy ones, there have been TRP posts that state essentially what started this conversation -- that even post-wall women have it pretty good, even if "pretty good" is still a step down from their younger days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 06:55 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty GoodFor every one of those -- and keep in mind that of course PPD women are going to say everything is peachy, just because TRP says the opposite -- there's a corresponding article on how unhappy post-wall women are in the real world. A small set of (biased) anecdotes on here doesn't come close to outweighing the mountain of conflicting observations elsewhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 06:49 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship....You're on a forum for discussing TRP. In a thread about a TRP idea. I don't believe you're this dense; you have to be trolling at this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 06:46 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty GoodNet experience, "post-wall" women are more satisfied with their lives, and have it pretty good. Eh, that's not what the self-reports of many older women indicate. There's a wide body of literature on the "where have all the good men gone" subject, plenty of unhappy wives, plenty of unhappy divorcees, etc. I don't see any segment of the young female population that is experiencing similar major problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 06:45 PM |
| 7 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty GoodAnd not being taken seriously is a young person thing, not a young woman thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 06:42 PM |
| 1 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.That's not a remotely comparable situation. A hard drug problem =/= wanting to sleep with a number of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 06:40 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty GoodI always thought "the wall" is relative, as in, "figuratively speaking it's like hitting a wall compared to the insane degree to which early 20s women get shit handed to them. Their lives are still mostly fine" Best point in the whole thread. Even if an appreciable amount of post-wall women lead relatively happy lives, they're nowhere near as advantaged as their younger selves. To them, they've hit a wall. It's like growing up driving your parents' BMW and then having to downgrade to a Toyota wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Post Wall Women Have It Pretty GoodPretty obvious circlejerking. God I wish they'd purge the trolls around here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:09 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.do you guys think you invented the idea of self improvement No one on TRP has ever made this claim. you're justifying desperate behavior This is literally the opposite of TRP. you're ascribing my criticism of your worldview to an ideology you claim to agree with Because you obviously have not the slightest clue about what my worldview is, or what TRP's "ideology" is. You're painfully, comically uninformed on this topic. No reasonable conversation is possible with you until you either at least sk… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:06 PM |
| 2 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.The difference is: A professional counselor who's thoroughly interviewed their subject, and who makes an educated suggestion specific to that one person, or Someone on the internet with no education, training, or experience in counseling, who does not know the particulars of anyone's situation, making broad sweeping statements about tons of people they've never met. That's a lot more significant than whether a problem has been recognized. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:03 PM |
| 3 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.there are always other fish in the sea Not if you're low value. if you can't catch one the answer is to get better bait ...So, self-improvement. This is exactly what TRP says, and exactly what the idea behind "get attractive enough to be able to have casual sex" is. where did I mention TRP? I'm criticizing your comment. You're on a forum for discussing TRP ideas. The OP talks about red pillers, and I'm giving the red pill perspective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 02:07 PM |
| 4 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.My point is that it's awfully arrogant to tell a group what they want or don't want, or what's best for them. They're adults; they have agency. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 01:24 PM |
| 3 | Does the average man have better, and more marriage opportunities in his 20's or 30's?telling men things will get better can be a misleading depending on their desires, their social class, their location, etc. The key to success as you age is be above average. A top-20% man at 35 has quite a few advantages over a top-20% man at 25; it's the average 35-year-old that is on the downhill slope. OP's question is kind of misleading, because it implies that TRP believes average guys just happen to get better as they age. It doesn't say anything of the sort -- it says that if you have yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 01:21 PM |
| 6 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.you can always walk away. Sure, but that gets you jack and shit unless someone else cares. I have the power to quit my job, but that doesn't do me any good unless I'm a valuable enough employee that my boss wants to keep me from going, or valuable enough to get a comparable job elsewhere. Walking away from what everyone knows is your only decent option isn't power; it's a tantrum. you need to learn not to care if she doesn't. This is exactly what TRP says. You should read it before criticizing i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 01:17 PM |
| 3 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.guys think that they want this, they believe that it will make them happy, but it in fact does not How about instead of telling guys what to think, we let them be adults and think for themselves? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 01:12 PM |
| 3 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.you surely must have noticed that instead of adopting this mindset, many guys on here convince themselves that LTRs are either pointless, cannot possibly work or that women only want phenomenal looking guys and are settling if they end up with anything other than this. Point 1 addresses this -- LTRs have diminishing returns for most men. Some guys may get carried away with this idea a bit, but the general concept is valid. there is still this bizarre emphasis on draining your balls As /u/Koffing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 12:07 PM |
| 3 | The Chemist's Big book of StatsMy second idea could easily be common and fit with the data we see -- settle down early, divorce because you're unhappy, sleep around after to make up for lost time. People currently married/cohabitating would have low partner count numbers, and those numbers would increase when they divorce and sleep with a bunch of people to rebound. Soon after a divorce you'd see divorcees with significantly higher partner counts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 11:55 AM |
| 1 | The Chemist's Big book of StatsAlmost nothing is backed by "concrete evidence" in that case. That's the point. Your theory is far weaker than the slight exaggeration theory, since one is based on actual research vs. just your word. That actual research, as you just mentioned, involves no concrete evidence. It shows that people are untruthful, but it does not firmly establish how untruthful they are, or whether a fake lie detector makes them tell the full truth or just part of it, or how related any of their answers are to the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 11:51 AM |
| 1 | Should men protect themselves from false accusations the way women protect themselves from being assaulted?I never moved the goalposts You did. See here. evidence free argument As I noted above, other people in this thread have provided evidence and you've just moved the goalposts. See here. Would you accept the type of evidence free argument you're asserting from a feminist making a claim about female oppression? If it's as obvious to any reasonable person as this argument is, yes. An example is the feminist claim that the police sometimes don't believe rape victims. It's really hard to find concret… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 06:00 AM |
| 1 | The Chemist's Big book of StatsUnfortunately there is no evidence of this, and more importantly, the magnitude of the deviation from the true number. Sure, but there's no concrete evidence for what anyone's true number is, anyway, so we never know how close any response is to that number. My theory is just as valid as the theory that people initially report slight exaggerations, and then later report the full truth; that's why I said "alternately." when I prompted you to provide a source for the "social desirability bias" and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:52 AM |
| 29 | CMV: There too much focus on getting casual sex by low smv men in all this red/blue/black pill talk compared to finding a long term relationship.Two thoughts: For most men, committed relationships have diminishing returns as time wears on. You do less shit you want to do, more shit you don't want to do. It starts to become as expensive (or more so) as dating casually. Even if you still have sex regularly, you have less sex than you did at the beginning of the relationship. It becomes harder to move on if you're unhappy; you get attached, even if you know it's not great. And all of these issues are exponentially more likely if the guy isn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:37 AM |
| 1 | The Chemist's Big book of StatsBased on a handful of studies about truthfulness about sexual history (Fisher ; Bogus Pipeline research), it can be inferred that women lie down by one and men lie up by one, at the MOST Alternately, both sides could be initially answering with what they believe are socially acceptable numbers, and then budging slightly when there's a chance they're caught in a lie. They could just be responding to the possibility of a lie detector with trickle truth, not the whole truth. And of course the most … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:24 AM |
| 4 | The Chemist's Big book of StatsThere is a massive correlation between divorce and promiscuity, 47% of divorced men and 18% of divorced women have over 15 lifetime partners I wonder if most of their partners came before the marriage (sleep around young and then settle down, become unhappy then divorce) or after (settle down early, divorce because you're unhappy, sleep around after to make up for lost time). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:19 AM |
| 1 | Should men protect themselves from false accusations the way women protect themselves from being assaulted?no reasonable person can seriously suggest that has no consequences for the guy. Think of the leaps in logic it would take for it not to happen: You'd have to assume that most employers (especially good ones) don't even google their applicants names, which is absurd when background checks are common for even low-level positions. You'd have to assume that most employers (especially good ones) are OK with entertaining the idea of bringing on a guy who might have raped someone, which is absurd to a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Is the world of dating and hookups as bleak as many "pill" communities make it out to be?I think anyone with enough experience would probably say that most people don't cheat. Well "most stats" show 30% of the population cheats, and we know that figure is a low-ball estimate. So at bare minimum we're talking about 1-in-3, and it's not unrealistic to think the true number is much higher. I think that's a high enough figure to dispel the notion that cheating is uncommon, and that it's unusual and most people never have to deal with it (either directly or through a friend). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 05:02 AM |
| 5 | Is the world of dating and hookups as bleak as many "pill" communities make it out to be?The social systems that produced population growth to our current levels are far different from the social systems that exist today. And the mere existence of children does not provide a strong argument against the idea that the current dating market is pretty bleak for a lot of men -- kids can happen by mistake, and can happen in a relationship that sucks and neither party is really happy with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 04:54 AM |
| 1 | Should men protect themselves from false accusations the way women protect themselves from being assaulted?If an employer googles an applicants name and the first ten results are articles about him being accused of rape, no reasonable person can seriously suggest that has no consequences for the guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 04:47 AM |
| 2 | Is the world of dating and hookups as bleak as many "pill" communities make it out to be?Most stats show that about 30% of men and women cheat, meaning most people never cheat. But that figure is obviously underreported, because people underreport socially undesirable activities. The only questions are how much it's underreported and what constitutes "cheating" in respondents' minds. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/17 05:25 PM |
| 4 | Is the world of dating and hookups as bleak as many "pill" communities make it out to be?If a girl sleeps with someone like that, there is a solid chance she could work that into a relationship. If its a dude she met online from the other side of town, he can just fuck out of her life after the fact. She feels burnt out and now is more witholding on sex. That's an interesting dynamic, but I don't think it results in exactly the results you're describing. First, if people are having less casual sex today compared to previous decades (and the inherent unreliability of those numbers ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/17 05:22 PM |
| 10 | Is the world of dating and hookups as bleak as many "pill" communities make it out to be?There could be 7 trillion people in the world and it wouldn't change the dating reality of 99% of the population, because 99% of the population is going to meet people who live within, oh, 20-30 miles of them. Your options are determined by your local scene, not by the population of India. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/17 05:03 PM |
| 3 | Have you seen other women come to this realization?For all the red pill gold in here, this line stood out most: When I told this story to my mom, she responded with a sigh, “See, this is why you need a boyfriend: Air conditioners, broken toilets, a raccoon in the basement—that all becomes their problem.” Casual, old school misandry, and the author doesn't bat an eye at it. This is the gender-swapped version of "get a girlfriend so she'll cook and clean and iron your shirts for you," yet it's stated without a hint of self-awareness. There's a who… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/17 12:00 AM |
| 4 | Have you seen other women come to this realization?All the women I know are attractive There's your problem -- an unrepresentative sample. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 11:52 PM |
| 2 | Have you seen other women come to this realization?The top, top percentage of people always get to have it all. But that lifestyle isn't available to the vast majority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 11:49 PM |
| -1 | What would happen to sexual and dating dynamics if the welfare state was completely eliminated?Nice downvoting -- way to set an example as a mod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 03:18 PM |
| 2 | What would happen to sexual and dating dynamics if the welfare state was completely eliminated?It's a number of things: The idea of hard work being worthwhile for its own sake is stressed much more on the right than on the left. Unless someone is working themselves to the bone day and night, the thinking is that they should work harder before before asking for help from the public. The idea that every penny one owns they had to fight and struggle for is stressed much more on the right than on the left. So why should they be forced to give that up to someone who hasn't worked as hard as I … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 12:29 PM |
| 3 | When the fuckbuddy/casual sex partners are vastly different from the serious boyfriends; do you see it at a red flag.Most girls have fun with the fun guys and are "serious" with stable guys. So if you're the stable guy, she's less likely to want "fun" with you, and more likely to seek "fun" elsewhere. What a great deal for those men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 12:19 PM |
| -1 | What would happen to sexual and dating dynamics if the welfare state was completely eliminated?it always feels like a thinly veiled attempt at getting people to fantasize about post-apocalyptic/post-welfare women being forced to submit to an alpha male Good to know you're approaching the discussion with an open mind, and checking your assumptions at the door... /s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 12:14 PM |
| 2 | What would happen to sexual and dating dynamics if the welfare state was completely eliminated?The assumption you make in the post is that welfare and 'sex/dating dynamics' are somehow linked but I'm not sure how. You listed one link yourself: harsh poverty which isn't exactly an aphrodisiac | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 12:13 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureA few more financial crises, and average western women may find their material wealth is no longer all that much greater than Uzbek women. An economic collapse that would reduce the economy of, say, the United States to that of a third world nation is so unlikely and would have so many other implications that it's not really worth discussing. Reasonable, plausible, this-could-easily-happen scenarios are what matters. I'm trying to talk about what might happen if self-driving cars become more mai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 11:33 AM |
| 3 | Sperm Count of Western Men PlummetingObviously it's the gay frogs running the Martian sex slave colonies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 04:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureThere are plenty of places where one can get a decent apartment without making $20/hour ($41,600). Not everyone lives in the pricey part of a major metropolis. Do you honestly believe most women are happy living with roommates for the rest of their lives? Presumably they'd make more money as they get older, so they don't have to. Most people cannot afford a decent apartment in a family. Yes, they can. "Most people" are not homeless or living in the ghetto; they're living in an OK place without m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 03:58 AM |
| 1 | Is there any evidence that there are fewer hetero relationships nowadays?"Throughout history" is a mighty long time and would include a ton of speculation, but as /u/OfSpock points out below serious relationships were extremely common (at least in adulthood) in most of recent Western history (last few hundred years or so). I don't think "drought" is the right word, but we're definitely seeing the end of all sorts of long-standing ideas about the importance of serious relationships/marriage. In the West people need someone else for financial reasons less than ever bef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 03:51 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureif you're settling for a relationship because you can't get strange you're doing it wrong. Most men can't get "strange," so settling for a relationship is exactly what they do. For most guys, a relationship is a ticket to far more sex than they could ever get while single, so they'll compromise and compromise and compromise and get hen pecked to death to keep it. What you describe as "doing it wrong" is the life of most men. Just because another way may be easy for you does not mean it's easy fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 03:43 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureI don't have a good answer for that, and I'm not saying that the changes that brought about this situation were entirely bad (if they're even bad at all). I'm saying there's a new problem on the horizon and acknowledging it is the first step towards finding solutions. Ignoring it and insisting that "oh all those men will find somebody someday" isn't doing anyone any good. TRP, of course, has a solution for men on an individual level, but that's far different from a solution for society as a whol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 03:38 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureThis was the entirety of your original comment: go out and go to parties. smoke weed. drink. genuinely enjoy yourself and don't be the weirdo in the corner. you'll trip and fall into a pussy or ten eventually. There's nothing in there about "thicken your skin," or "play the numbers game." It's just "go out to parties and be yourself and it'll just happen." I see guys here express a desire for casual sex where they don't have to commit or "spend resources" all the time. Of course they desire that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 12:23 AM |
| 0 | Q4ALL: "Women are like children, taking them seriously is often a mistake." Is this a misogynistic statement? Is this a sexist statement?OP didn't ask about this within the context of TRP. ...It's quite obviously in the context of TRP. We're on PPD (a forum to debate TRP content), he's talking about a key TRP concept, and he links to an article from the TRP sidebar. Indulging in belittling and blaming behavior is harmful to both sides. A nice sentiment, but I have yet to see anyone outside the manosphere seriously push back on "belittling and blaming" when it comes from women and is directed at men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 12:17 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureIf a large amount of men do not want to get married, than a large amount of women cannot get married. You are assuming the woman always gets what she wants, this is a fallacy. If all (or practically all) women totally refused to have sex before marriage, men would get married even if they didn't really want to. Your typical man is not wired to go years or decades without sex; he'll make all sorts of huge compromises to get laid. This is why you see guys shelling out big bucks on dates for just t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 12:11 AM |
| 0 | Q4ALL: "Women are like children, taking them seriously is often a mistake." Is this a misogynistic statement? Is this a sexist statement?This also applies to men. Sure, but TRP isn't about hitting on men, so of course it's not going to talk about them. If I'm on /r/baseball and say "you need to be a great athlete to be a great baseball player," it'd be ridiculous to jump in and insist that "well you have to be a great athlete to be a great football player, too!" It's true, but it's just not at all relevant in /r/baseball. Women also often refer to men as children, funnily enough. Funnily enough, those women don't get tarred and f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 11:53 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureI think a lot of guys here are socially awkward and have a lot of self-loathing. they may show up to parties now and then but they're not partiers, they're uncomfortable and it shows. Absolutely. But if you've seen these guys, you must know how woefully inadequate platitudes like "interact with people" are. It's not that easy for normal guys, and it sure as hell isn't that easy for guys who aren't used to party environments. There are a whole lot of steps between "talk to girl" and "girl is taki… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 11:48 PM |
| 1 | Is there any evidence that there are fewer hetero relationships nowadays?Here's a post I wrote about the typical man's sex life. Sources are in that post, but here are a few highlights (keep in mind, men lie up about their partner count): About 95% in the age 15-44 bracket have had 4 or fewer sexual partners in the last 12 months. The median lifetime partner count for the age 25-44 bracket is 6.6. About 80% in the age 15-44 bracket have had fewer than 14 lifetime partners. The average age of first marriage for U.S. men is 29, and ~37% of American adults are single at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 11:43 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureThere is no evidence women and not men are driving marriage rates at a further age. Again, men's interests are irrelevant here. And I'm not even sure what you're saying with "at a further age." it assumes that women can never desire something a man does not Give me a specific example of "desir[ing[ something a man does not" that doesn't fit with what I described. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 11:23 PM |
| 2 | Why is " Locker Room Talk" Demonized?You don't think talking about "hitting that" with regards to a female coworker could get someone fired in many work environments? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 11:21 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureIt's silly (and sometimes insulting) to assume men haven't tried something as simple as that -- they have, and it hasn't worked. Do you really think guys haven't tried that? There's a lot more to getting laid than "go talk to women and it'll just happen." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 10:45 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureWhether it's a gendered issue doesn't matter -- what matters is how women set their priorities, because ultimately that determines what options men have. If women are deciding to get married less -- for whatever reason, and independent of what men think about it -- less marriages will happen. If women decide only the top men are good enough for casual sex -- for whatever reason, and independent of what men think about it -- casual sex is only going to happen with the top men. In a society with l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 10:41 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureThe general context of this conversation -- of everything on this sub -- is first world countries. No one on here is focusing on the sexual dynamics of Guatemala or Uganda or Uzbekistan. Therefore it's ridiculous to avoid the actual topic of conversation (sexual dynamics in first world countries) with the "oh let's talk about South America or Africa" end around. In the context of every other conversation on this sub the average young woman is able to rent a decent apartment, go out for drinks oc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 10:32 PM |
| 2 | Do TRPillers tend to underestimate how social programming can affect what people are attracted to?This is generally true, but there are some traits that have been attractive throughout time. Physically fit men and women have always been attractive, even if having a few extra pounds was at one point seen as an attractive status indicator (signaling wealth). Pleasant, even skin tones of all colors have always been attractive, even if at various times being a little tanner or a little more pale was en vogue. I think it's more instructive to think of this idea in terms of what has historically b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 10:20 PM |
| 3 | Why is " Locker Room Talk" Demonized?Yet a large segment of the population still sees it as "problematic." This is no small part of why stuff like TRP is able to gain popularity -- men risk being demonized for any expression of sexuality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 10:10 PM |
| 1 | Why is " Locker Room Talk" Demonized?...Link? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 10:08 PM |
| 8 | Why is " Locker Room Talk" Demonized?men exposed to the bluepill narrative are indoctrinated from day to watch their tongue lest they risk being screened out as vile misogynists. Women who publicly talk about hating men (joking or not) can get taken seriously in prestigious academic circles. Men who publicly talk about hating women (joking or not) can lose their job if they catch a bad bit of social media fallout. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 10:06 PM |
| 4 | Why is " Locker Room Talk" Demonized?"Locker room talk" is a catch-all term for "the way men talk with their buddies when they're away from women." You hear all sorts of crass shit on a golf course, or over a couple of beers, or while watching a football game. It does not have to occur in a literal locker room to be "locker room talk." I thought it was blue pillers who were able to read between the lines on all this stuff, and red pillers who needed every little bit of nuance spelled out? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 10:02 PM |
| 5 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureYour advice is typical of the platitudes men get when they are looking for how to have more success with women. Nothing actionable; just "go out and have fun and be yourself." It's silly (and sometimes insulting) to assume men haven't tried something as simple as that -- they have, and it hasn't worked. Continuously insisting that there's an easy fix that's readily available at best comes off as tone deaf, and at worst comes off as dismissive and callous. It's the "let them eat cake" of dating a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:55 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureQuite a few people don't get married or have an LTR, and the percentage of people who do is trending down. That's what this thread is about -- what might happen/is likely to happen in the future. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:51 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureHow insecure must you be to assume that women won't want you if you can't dominate them economically? You're talking like you want to maintain women in poverty What a horseshit misrepresentation of what I wrote. How about making society more equal, so that women can date you because they love you Women are already more equal than men in many ways. They already outperform men in education, get preferential treatment by the legal system, have assistance/development programs catered specifically to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:49 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureChrist. We're talking about women in first world countries here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:36 PM |
| 1 | Men's view of women's competencyI'm saying it builds up comfort, confidence, and familiarity. Of course it does. My point -- and a point of someone else you're talking to on here -- is that this doesn't justify the idea that "women are better at childcare," because even if they worked as a babysitter and even if they were good at it, they're still only gaining an amount of "comfort, confidence, and familiarity" that any new dad would have after a handful of months. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:34 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: Do you believe in a blank slate?Are they common on PPD, even amongst bluepillers? Blue pillers say that on here all the time. The fact that they later claim to not be blank statist doesn't change this; it just means they're logically inconsistent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:32 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureThe average income needed to rent a 2 bedroom apartment in most states is above $20 an hour. That's laughable -- $20/hour is $3200/month, and there are plenty of apartments in major metro areas that go for less than that. And she doesn't need a 2-bedroom for herself, anyway. Plus there's always the option of a roommate. And here's your proof: Go ask the average 20-something woman if she's homeless or living in the ghetto. She's not. Therefore she's living in at least a "decent" apartment. It's n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:29 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureAnd so are most men. Who cares? We're talking about women. Most women don't think of men as sources of casual sex The point is that when they do want casual sex they can easily find it. They don't "need" any particular man; a man who offers them casual sex isn't of any real value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:26 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureThat has nothing to do with what we're discussing. I made the claim that women are increasingly willing to substitute non-romantic forms of companionship (e.g. pets, friends, family) for LTRs and marriages. That's exactly what this article says. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:24 PM |
| 5 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureThe latter, obviously. There's ample evidence that she could go online and get either (A) pretty attractive guys who'll just want casual sex or (B) more average guys who would love to date her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:19 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureLook at fucking rich celebrities, who do they marry? Other rich celebrities. Do they need each other for money? Fuck no. Why do they do it then? They're humans, they want companionship. The elephant in the room is that celebrities have all sorts of attractive, high-SMV options. An LTR or marriage sounds much better when you're with a literal model. But how attractive is an LTR/marriage to the average woman, who has average (read: unattractive) men as long-term options? She can take care of herse… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:16 PM |
| 4 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up culture"Be yourself" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:10 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureDo you think it's a problem if vast swathes of the male population grow up to find out they don't have a place in modern society? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:09 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureThere's no indication that this will happen. What's unrealistic here? Women are already less interested in having kids. They're already less interested in marriage/committed relationships. They already realize that casual sex with attractive men is pretty attainable. It's already happening to a certain extent. They've always existed, and they've always been an extreme minority. The size of the industries catering to guys who can't get laid suggests it's far from an "extreme minority." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:07 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Why is the sex/gender dichotomy wrong?The opposition really is cray tho The fringe of the opposition is crazy, sure, but the fringe is crazy everywhere. The mainstream of the Republican party is crazy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 08:30 PM |
| 4 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up culturewomen are able to afford everything and buy a house all on their own... rich girls from San Francisco Compare this to: doing fine The average young woman is able to rent a decent apartment, go out for drinks occasionally, maybe have a pet, and do a bit of domestic travel if she keeps it reasonable. She's not "able to afford everything;" she's "doing fine." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:19 AM |
| 4 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureSure: The findings come at a time when millennials, roughly defined as the generation born between 1980 and 2000, are half as likely to be married or living with a partner than they were 50 years ago... “Pets are becoming a replacement for children,” said Jean Twenge, a psychology professor at San Diego State University and author of “Generation Me.” “They’re less expensive. You can get one even if you’re not ready to live with someone or get married, and they can still provide companionship.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:14 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP: Do you believe in a blank slate?You suggest that men probably have higher sex drives and are more aggressive/violent than women, likely due to those hormones and genetics, and I think that's where some BPers will squirm Or they'll just skirt the issue entirely using anedcotes -- "I know plenty of women with high libidos, and plenty of men with low libidos." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 09:08 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Why is the sex/gender dichotomy wrong?A large part of the reason those arguments were spot on is because the very people making them -- Republicans -- are now using increasingly narrow gender-based situations as wedge issues. The right pushes stuff like bathroom bills to the forefront not because there's an epidemic of transpeople molesting kids in public restrooms (it's a struggle to find even a single example of that, in fact), but because that sort of issue fires up their base. Not a lot of rank-and-file Republicans want to lower… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 08:50 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Why is the sex/gender dichotomy wrong?What's so great about Christianity anyways? And why should America -- which was founded on the principle of freedom of religion, by men who were largely agnostic, and which very early on recognized via treaty that the country has no official religion -- want to defend whatever the latest version of "traditional" Christianity is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 08:45 AM |
| 6 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureWe're talking about the future, though. Women don't need to find a man for the sake of survival, but they still want a man for sex, babies, and companionship. What happens when more women decide they can live without kids, or adopt, or get pregnant through artificial means? What happens when they realize that the most attractive men for sex (alphas) aren't all generally that interested in companionship, and -- having no need or want for marriage -- they decide to get their companionship fix else… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 08:28 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Do you believe in a blank slate?What "blank slatist" ideas are being thrown around and then retracted? Here's a sample conversation: RP: "Most CEOs are men, as are most prominent scientists and engineers. That's probably because men are predisposed to be better at those fields, and/or work longer hours." BP: "Not at all. If discrimination was removed, and women were given equal opportunity/encouragement in those fields, they'd do just as well as men." RP: "So you're a blank statist? You're saying that women and men have about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 08:20 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Do you believe in a blank slate?people see TBP as an outbranch of Progressivism That's because almost every blue piller on here leans left, and TBP isn't exactly a place where right-leaning ideas are entertained. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 08:12 AM |
| 9 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up cultureMost college aged women can't afford massive fashionable wardrobes, elaborate vacations, or weekly bottomless mimosa brunches with the girls. But most young women can and do treat themselves to a nice purchase every now and then, a few weekends at a lake or in another city visiting friends, and drinks after work with the girls. They're not living extravagantly, but they're doing well enough to live comfortably and have fun. Fewer and fewer need men in a financial sense. Most college aged women d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 08:05 AM |
| 2 | Dissolution of familial bonds and the betaWhich list of traits is more associated with alpha, and which is more associated with beta: Impulsive, aggressive, confrontational, physical, fearless. Measured, cautious, logical, communicative, risk-averse. One can make the case that any individual trait is either in a specific, narrow situation, but on the whole the first list is obviously much closer to alpha and the second list is much closer to beta. Everyone in here asking questions like "Is this guy even alpha?" and "How dumb would you h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 07:51 AM |
| 3 | Dissolution of familial bonds and the betaOr you know, it's just stupid to potentially throw your life away That's the point -- "beta men are often inhibited just due to concern over family." They have something of great value to lose (their family) if they get hurt/arrested, so they don't act. Meanwhile the alpha guy (who has no family, and thus far less to lose) wins by default because the betas (reasonably) aren't willing to stick out their neck to stand up to him. over literally nothing Imagine the TBP circlejerk if some red piller … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 07:33 AM |
| 14 | CMV: The "no place left for men in the future" idea is a massive hysteria caused by an over-emphasis on the college hook up culturemost women do not have these types of luxuries and ability to not need men, or have these freedoms. Many women still want relationships and marriage and don't live this kind of lifestyle. That's true today. But your title is about the future. It's easy to envision a not-too-distant future where: Casual sex becomes even more appealing to women (greater sense of safety, lesser possibility of social stigma, easier to find attractive men). Committed relationships become even less appealing to women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 07:25 AM |
| 2 | Men's view of women's competencyThe point is that "years" vastly overstates the amount of actual experience in childcare your typical babysitter has. Say a babysitter works 6 hours at a time (6 pm to midnight) every other Saturday from age 14 to 18. That's 6 hours x 26 weeks x 5 years, or 780 hours -- and that's if she works every one of those weekends for half a decade. Note also that this is childcare on easy mode; the parents will tell her when the baby should eat, what he should eat, when he should go to bed, etc, and most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/17 07:04 AM |
| 1 | Men's view of women's competencyThe study above seems to contradict RP ideas on two points: there is the opposite of a "women are wonderful effect", with men being rated higher overall on knowledge, trustworthiness and convincing The idea that women are perceived as less competent at traditionally male tasks is hardly a new idea, and hardly an idea that contradicts anything on TRP. as well as the "female in-group bias"; in this case, it was men who showed in-group bias while women rated candidates nearly identically. Again, th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/17 04:20 PM |
| 2 | Men's view of women's competencyyears of comfort caring for and being around children A woman who babysat for a handful of hours at a time on (at most) several dozen occasions hardly qualifies as "years" of childcare time. If I had a part-time job I worked for 4-5 hours every other Saturday I wouldn't really say I have "years" of experience even if I'd been doing that job since 2015. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/17 04:11 PM |
| 1 | Is this RP field report real? Does it sound believable?There's nothing unbelievable in this. There's no "this supermodel was a total bitch to me (four foot two-and-a-half inches, mute, burn victim, hybrid of the least attractive traits of all races) and then I used my TRP superpowers to have her sucking my dick 20 minutes later while the whole bar watched and broke into applause." There's not even a "this loyal wife was out with her husband of five years and I used my magic game skills to get her number while he was in the bathroom." It's a guy who … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/17 10:05 AM |
| 0 | Is this RP field report real? Does it sound believable?Why an apron with nothing on underneath is "50s" is beyond me I think she's likely referring to the fact that she cooked him breakfast. She may have literally made him a (breakfast) sandwich. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/17 09:57 AM |
| 1 | Is this RP field report real? Does it sound believable?Realistically this guy could have closed right when they met because this girl clearly was very into him immediately, had high compliance, low comfort necessity, etc. Maybe he's leaving out a lot of the details. There's a difference between being attractive enough for a woman to easily agree to a date with you, and attractive enough for a woman to easily agree to a ONS with you. Even if she's seemingly ready to go right off the bat, it's easy to fuck up by being too forward or rushing too much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/17 09:55 AM |
| -1 | Is this RP field report real? Does it sound believable?It's like telling somebody about how you drove to the grocery store, got a great parking spot, and saw berries were on sale. Sure, but nothing screams "it's a faaaaake!" here. Boring =/= fake. It's his interpretation of it that's weird... reading into the roommate caring if he's there or not. And making note of her having condoms in the nightstand. Weird, yes, but a weird interpretation =/= fake. If I tell you that I think my car salesman was really trying to screw me out of every red cent and I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/17 09:53 AM |
| 7 | Why do a bunch of men who allegedly believe in biological sex differences very strongly have such certainty regarding the interior lives of women and the nature and experience of their feelings?How does one gain an understanding of anyone's feelings? Human's aren't Vulcan; no one is mind melding with anybody. Any guess at anyone's feelings is ultimately a matter of how they communicated and I interpreted. It's not as if men completely "get" other men's feelings yet are completely, utterly in the dark when it comes to women. It's a spectrum -- the closer someone else's experiences are to yours, the more clearly they communicate with you, and the more fully you interpret that communicati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/17 09:38 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Rising sexual inequality among males could have disastrous political and social consequences for Western societies.It's like someone saying in 2005 that "Amazon is not representative of shopping." Technically they're more right than wrong, but the shift is undeniable, and it's not over yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/17 10:44 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Rising sexual inequality among males could have disastrous political and social consequences for Western societies.pretty much means that larger numbers of men and people in general just aren't needed anymore As long as there are thirsty men, women are always in demand. Every single job on the planet could be automated tomorrow and women would still be "needed" to a significant extent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/17 10:41 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?As usual, maybe 10% of users are 90% of the problem. No one takes issue when a few new guys chime in that they're having trouble getting laid. People from both sides will offer a multitude of suggestions. And most new guys take those suggestions and go try them; that's how it's supposed to work. The problem is when a few guys continuously complain because either A) they're unwilling to try or B) they're honestly so hopeless nothing will help. And then we're back at what I described above. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/17 04:00 AM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?There are a lot of guys on here -- the same guys -- who complain almost every day, and have been doing so for quite some time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 09:55 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?Not even close. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 09:54 PM |
| 2 | Why do the men on the red pill sub crave having uncommitted sex to such a massive degree?According to which definition of positive? Here's what you're referring to when you say "positive:" The Red Pill - Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. None of that says or implies that TRP is all sunshine and rainbows and everything's nice; it says that no one thinks of men as sunshine and everything nice today. No one is tricked into coming to TRP by promises of hearing nice things about men and then is caught off guard by pessimism. Have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 09:30 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?Every day, for months or years on end? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 09:23 PM |
| 5 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?Harder =/= DEATH SENTENCE. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 09:19 PM |
| 7 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?If they're as hopeless as they claim to be, then complaining about it helps no one, as no improvement is possible. If there's a chance at improvement, they should be doing that instead of complaining. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 09:19 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?Absolutely nothing in your comment relates to your claim about TRP's supposed "exploitation" of anyone. Again, you're just wildly flinging shit at the wall and hoping that something sticks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 09:13 PM |
| 1 | Why do the men on the red pill sub crave having uncommitted sex to such a massive degree?Their pessimistic idea of what constitutes providing a positive identity for men? "Pessimism" is not bait-and-switch. Their claim to provide an uncensored look at all the available science? Link to where TRP claims to provide "an uncensored look at all the available science." You can't, because they don't. It's laughable to suggest TRP pretends to be anything on par with a peer-reviewed journal, or that anyone familiar with the internet would expect that from a discussion forum (no matter what i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 09:11 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?Literally nothing in the post you linked to suggests "exploitation of the hurt and lonely." This is just throwing shit at the wall madlib-style and seeing what sticks. "I hate TRP because [pick one: lies, misogyny, manipulation] and as proof here's [link to unrelated TRP outrage porn]." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 09:04 PM |
| 1 | Why do the men on the red pill sub crave having uncommitted sex to such a massive degree?Yeah, TRP is totally honest about what it offers. How is it not? Where's the bait-and-switch? Again, this doesn't make much sense if you're talking about evangelizing. Not to mention, they do a shitty job of not talking about fight club. 99% of TRP mentions outside of /r/theredpill and related subs are from people talking about "how awful that place is." It's the Streisand Effect that gets people to check out TRP, not evangelizing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 08:53 PM |
| 8 | Why do the men on the red pill sub crave having uncommitted sex to such a massive degree?Even OP mentioned it in his post, a lot of the women he dated casually were pretty good, but he knew they weren't quite right for him. He wouldn't have known otherwise if it was a desert of women and his casual sex partner was the first person to give him attention in the last five years. OP is essentially saying: Why are TRP men so interested in spinning plates? Spinning plates worked great for me But why are TRP men so interested in spinning plates? He's that type of blue piller that has had a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 08:45 PM |
| 1 | Why do the men on the red pill sub crave having uncommitted sex to such a massive degree?I'm assuming you're talking about evangelizing. Your comment doesn't make much sense if that's the case, as evangelizing by-definition has to occur outside of TRP, outside of the mods' control. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 08:40 PM |
| 3 | Why do the men on the red pill sub crave having uncommitted sex to such a massive degree?someone might question what the hell was in it for you? And what would be in it for me? How am I in any way benefiting from giving advice to someone I'll never meet? if they observed that you were locking the doors so that the other sales clerks couldn't ruin your sale This is utter nonsense; TRP isn't "locking the doors" to other advice in any sense. If something else is working for you, great, go live your life. TRP isn't evangelizing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 08:30 PM |
| 1 | Should we semi-sterilize humans at birth and un-sterilize them when they pass a test to be a parent?I'd say 3 and 4 help keep kids away from shitty parents, and cut down on thoroughly unprepared people having kids and figuring they'll just deal with financial problems as they crop up. The overarching idea is to make people think hard before having a kid. Saying that you'll lose your child if you're incapable of being responsible for it is perhaps the best way to do this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 08:15 PM |
| 6 | Q4men: pick just 2 of the following in an SO: sane, hot, or smart98.6 degrees is pretty hot in some contexts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 08:21 AM |
| 3 | Why do the men on the red pill sub crave having uncommitted sex to such a massive degree?He said "the best deal for a man" is to spin plates. There's nothing about that statement that's incompatible with "do whatever the fuck you want." Say you're new to rock climbing and I'm helping you buy a pair of shoes. I might point you towards a comfortable pair that's a reasonable price and tell you that's the best value, but also tell you that at the end of the day it's your choice and you should do whatever you want. No contradiction there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 08:10 AM |
| 9 | Why do the men on the red pill sub crave having uncommitted sex to such a massive degree?I was told the this forum was a great place for men but I went and looked at it today and the top post by their main guy is "you have to have casual sex with multiple girls at the same time" because if you don't you're a loser. First, the author of that post is not TRP's "main guy." He's someone who's made some good contributions at some point in the past; what you're reading from him at present is probably good advice, but no one is claiming every one of his words is TRP gospel. And if you were… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 08:07 AM |
| 1 | Should we semi-sterilize humans at birth and un-sterilize them when they pass a test to be a parent?I believe in Starship Troopers it's mentioned that only citizens are allowed to become parents, although if that's the case it's not explained why Johnny Rico's parents (non-citizens) were able to have him. Maybe because they're wealthy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 07:49 AM |
| 3 | Should we semi-sterilize humans at birth and un-sterilize them when they pass a test to be a parent?The issue with your ideas is that they run into all sorts of legal and ethical roadblocks as they mandate things. If you want to go down that road, a far better method is to change the financial/health incentives around parenting. For example, you could: Make birth control free. As in "anyone can pick a variety of birth control options up at CVS, no charge" free. Make abortion free. As in "anyone can go into their neighborhood MD's office and he'll break out the coat hanger, no charge" free. Cre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 07:47 AM |
| 1 | /r/TheRedPill is crypto-neoreactionaryGrabbing a few right-leaning bits from here and there does not prove that TRP is "meant" to be neoreactionary. Meanwhile there's plenty of evidence that mainstream TRP isn't neoreactionary: /r/theredpillright is ~2% the size of TRP /r/darkenlightenment is ~5% the size of TRP It's not hard to find pushback against neoreactionary ideas on TRP Even if every single neoreacionary on reddit is also on TRP, there just aren't enough of these nuts to make them the dominant voice on the sub. Most guys on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 12:43 AM |
| 1 | Dubai explains what is wrong with society. (Hint: it's not women)Yes. That supports my argument, then. There's always been a shortage of men with "good, stable incomes," yet that hasn't historically been a huge hindrance for most men. Therefore it makes no sense to claim that this is a huge hindrance for most men today -- if anything, the value of being a provider is less important now as women can go out and make money themselves. But lots are travelling overseas for extended periods -far more than in previous decades. Sure, but it's not like a year trip ove… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 12:37 AM |
| 2 | /r/TheRedPill is crypto-neoreactionarySo are we going to pretend that RPW is not part of TRP ...It's a different sub, so yeah, it's "not part of TRP." It's a fraction of the size of TRP, and it's not like the average TRP guy is visiting RPW all that frequently, or ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Dubai explains what is wrong with society. (Hint: it's not women)You don't think a large percentage of women want men with a good stable income? That's always been true, and there's always been a shortage of men who qualify. That time in history is NOW. Young people are travelling in large numbers. Which is it? Are men today so underpaid that they can't afford to take a year to travel, or are they "travelling in large numbers"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 12:24 AM |
| 1 | /r/TheRedPill is crypto-neoreactionaryThis used to be in TRPW sidebar. Not TRP, and not current. This has also been promoted in the RPW sub. Still not talking about TRP, and now we're not even discussing stuff that was once on the sidebar; it's just stuff that's been "promoted" (whatever that means). How women destroy the West and I quote: I can pull up weird shit from a lot of subs; doesn't make it representative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 08:10 PM |
| 1 | /r/TheRedPill is crypto-neoreactionaryWhat's "dishonest" is pretending that stuff like /r/theredpillright is at all representative of TRP. The former has not even 3,000 subscribers, and most of the content is posted by the same handful of people. If the average red piller gave a shit about alt-right politics that sub wouldn't be a ghost town. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 08:03 PM |
| 2 | /r/TheRedPill is crypto-neoreactionaryThe other day on /r/theredpillright Here's how supportive of alt-right stuff your average red piller is: When the leadership of TRP creates a sub specifically for discussing alt-right topics, specifically for red pillers, and promotes this sub prominently on TRP for months it winds up with a whopping total of <3,000 subscribers. TRP isn't crazy far right; it's just not distinctly left like mainstream reddit is. On a one (most left) to ten (most right) scale, 95% of reddit is maybe a 3. TRP is a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 07:57 PM |
| 2 | What's the worst thing a woman has done to you while dating her?Two situations: Cheating on me as we were living in different cities over the summer, then waiting to tell me until I had flown out to visit her. Convincing me to move to a city I didn't really want to be in and take a job I didn't really want to continue the relationship after college, then moving away herself after a couple of months. None of this is "she threatened to lie to the cops about domestic violence" level of terrible, but this sort of thing is far more common if not as bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 07:40 PM |
| 1 | Dubai explains what is wrong with society. (Hint: it's not women)Are you sure that lowly paid men don't have a harder time dating or marrying? When the average woman isn't paid all that well either, the average man being poorly paid isn't that much of a hindrance. Are you sure that lowly paid men can take a month or a year off and go overseas and party and have sex? There has never been any time in history where the average man was taking a year to travel and party. And when the average guy is traveling, he's not getting laid like tile all of the sudden. That… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 07:28 PM |
| 1 | Dubai explains what is wrong with society. (Hint: it's not women)If they would peel away the red-tinted glasses, they'd see society as it really is and how they're being used by the rich. The rich don't have much immediate impact on the sex life of a typical guy. It's not bankers and industrialists who are making it hard for him to get a date. And the fact that capitalist pigs (/s) are way better off economically than most men and women doesn't mean men and women are magically equal when it comes to their sex lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 08:15 AM |
| 1 | Columbia University settles with Mattress Girl's accused rapistSuing the girl would be painted as bullying by the media. It's much better to claim you weren't treated fairly by the authorities. There's that, and the fact that false accusers are often enabled by the authorities through inaction. In this case, there was considerable evidence that no rape occurred, and nothing but the word of an untrustworthy individual to suggest that rape did occur. Had the university told Mattress Girl "stop harassing a fellow student or you aren't coming back in the fall" … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 07:18 AM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsI have already explained why it's inappropriate to discuss whether a user is a troll. And that explanation was completely inadequate. First, it doesn't apply to this situation, because no specific user was named. Second, even if a specific user is named, no one is going to bother that user unless they're obviously a troll, in which case their posts should be getting removed anyway. sticking your nose into matters that don't involve you Why are you so afraid of transparency? If you believe you're… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 06:59 AM |
| 1 | Q4 people who genuinely believe women who claim rape very rarely lie about it (in text)I agree that this disease is a plausible explanation, and I'm glad you brought it up -- just fleshing the conversation out a bit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 06:51 AM |
| 1 | Q4 people who genuinely believe women who claim rape very rarely lie about it (in text)I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if over 50-60% of rape claims were lies. If this sounds high to anyone, keep in mind how often a woman claims she was raped yet did not report it to the police. Why might she do that? There are legitimate reasons, of course -- if there's a low chance of anything happening, it might not be worth the emotional/legal hassle. But not reporting it to the police also allows one to claim victim status without the lie ever being scrutinized. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 04:26 PM |
| 3 | Q4 people who genuinely believe women who claim rape very rarely lie about it (in text)The reason why is because feminists always ask "Why would a woman lie about this?" and this is a medically plausible reply. I find logically plausible reasons much more convincing: Maybe her religious parents would disown her if they knew she was out sleeping around. But if it was rape... Maybe her husband/boyfriend would leave her if they knew she cheated. But if it was rape... Maybe she feels irresponsible and terrible about herself and like she made a horrible mistake sleeping with that loser… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 04:22 PM |
| 3 | The defeatism on Reddit among men has went too far. It is ridiculous.I have never known him to talk to a chick when we've been out Maybe -- like many men -- struggles in a bar/club setting. If you're average height or shorter, or aren't comfortable with shouting over other people to demand attention, or aren't a natural "life of the party"-type guy, those sorts of environments don't play to your strengths. Why bother taking low-percentage shots there, when you could just have fun with your friends and take higher-percentage shots later? others in the group have t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 04:09 PM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsIf they cannot agree to that, then THEY, not you, are the biased one who cannot debate in good faith and with intellectual honesty. Of course. But they wouldn't see it that way, and their complaints about bias would sway a lot of neutral readers as well. The only people who'd buy it wholesale are people who already lean red, and the point here isn't to circlejerk. Facts don't require the approval of the masses. We're dealing with inherently subjective material, so it's not like there are really … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 04:04 PM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsI'd encourage them to. What I want to discourage is the assumption that TBP must be good and TRP must be bad just because that's what a lot of people say. I don't want people to unthinkingly buy into someone else's narrative; I want them to get informed before making up their mind. Challenging the prevailing narratives is the first step to that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 03:59 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Do women not understand how hard it is for an average guy to get laid?If that stuff is so common, it's likely that women are doing something to invite it (perhaps using crass language like "down to fuck"). It's "if you run into assholes all day..." logic. What /u/Christian_Kong said below. If naughty words are really enough to turn a woman completely off, she wasn't that interested in sex in the first place. If you really really want something, "nice ass" isn't going to deter you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 03:56 PM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsEveryone that matters, yeah. You only judge your advice by how rational people interpret it. A crazy person could read a manual for a blender and think it convinced them to go on a shooting spree, but no one in their right mind would blame the blender manual for a crazy person being crazy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 03:50 PM |
| 44 | Q4ALL: Do women not understand how hard it is for an average guy to get laid?Her conclusion is 9/10 guys she was initially open to sex with fucked it up by being verbally gross and demanding. Sounds more like "9/10 guys she considered having sex with she still ultimately rejected." And this is a woman who's actively looking for sex! So it makes me think the thing that keep men from getting laid is their own impatient selves. Sounds more like men have to cater to women's every preference -- without being directly told what those preferences are, of course -- and any devia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 06:44 AM |
| 3 | Accused Student in Columbia "Mattress Girl" Case Receives Settlement: People on Facebook are Not Pleased in the Least(3) could apply, as she's repeatedly, publicly accusing someone of a crime when A) a campus tribunal has dismissed the issue, B) the police have found there's insufficient evidence to continue investigating, and C) there is evidence that she's making the whole thing up. There's an argument that this would fit the "serve no legitimate purpose" part. (4) could apply, as accusing someone of rape is certainly communicating about someone using lewd and obscene language. This is pretty broad, though; … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 06:29 AM |
| 0 | Q4RPMen: Why do you guys think so highly of men in general?TRP says that the average guy is a fat, underachieving beta. Obviously they look up to the best men, because everyone looks up to the best someone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:51 AM |
| 2 | The defeatism on Reddit among men has went too far. It is ridiculous.When I set up dates I don't invite my friends, and I rarely mention it (if I do, only in passing) unless it goes somewhere. There are a lot of people like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:43 AM |
| 16 | Accused Student in Columbia "Mattress Girl" Case Receives Settlement: People on Facebook are Not Pleased in the LeastThis is the type of nonsense that's supported by mainstream feminism that makes it hard for reasonable people to call themselves feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:37 AM |
| 1 | Accused Student in Columbia "Mattress Girl" Case Receives Settlement: People on Facebook are Not Pleased in the LeastExplain why loss of reputation should be a criminal issue Couldn't (effectively) shouting from the rooftops "HEY THIS GUY'S A RAPIST" be considered harassment? If I started a very public campaign smearing one of my neighbors in the same way (and carried that campaign on for months) I have a hard time believing the police wouldn't knock on my door at some point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:31 AM |
| 2 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsAnd you find that the satire sub is the one with the least hate speech. No, I didn't. I found that if you were really hard on TRP and really easy on TBP, they were about the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:20 AM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsWhy should you? More importantly, why do you? I don't -- I didn't write this to convince myself of anything. I wrote this for people who are still on the fence about this stuff. If I was still making my mind up and saw a post in the style of "this side likes to pretend they're the good guys, but here's why they aren't" and it was convincing, I'd be less likely to take the blue pill party line at face value and move on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:16 AM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsGet back to me when TRP lynches anyone, or starts lighting crosses in women's yards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:13 AM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThere's not really a good way to do this without it being written off as biased, and essentially being a waste of time. If I judged TBP as harshly as I judged TRP, I'd be counting borderline comments and a bunch of people would chime in and say they aren't really hateful. And if I judged TRP as leniently as I judged TBP, I'd be overlooking borderline comments and a bunch of people would chime in and say those constitute hate, and this whole thing is worthless because they can't trust the data. O… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:12 AM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThat in no way follows logically from anything I wrote. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:08 AM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThe KKK is an incredibly poor analogy for groups of people talking about one another on the internet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:07 AM |
| 2 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsit can certainly lead to rape if misinterpreted or bad LMR advice is given. Either you don't know what you're talking about, or you're being wildly dishonest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:05 AM |
| 2 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThat's Kafkaesque nonsense and you know it. If you can't answer simple questions about the rules in public either A) the rule is bad and you should change it or B) you shouldn't be a mod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:02 AM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsI am surprised that TBP doesn't use even more hateful rhetoric, since they only exist to bash TRP. There's quite a lot of satire on TBP that I didn't count. Most of it can be interpreted as bashing TRP, even if it isn't a simple "you guys suck." All the racist has to do is to stop hating the black person, and then no one will hate anyone. OK, what about someone who hates Democrats? Or Catholics? Or immigrants? All the subject of the hate has to do is leave their party/leave their religion/leave … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 04:56 AM |
| 3 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsWhy the lack of transparency? What do you have to hide in modmail that can't be allowed here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 03:51 PM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsWar is an incredibly poor analogy for groups of people talking about one another on the internet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 03:47 PM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsOne would except a satire sub to be a lot less respectful than a serious sub. I specifically didn't count satire as hateful/angry, though. If you start counting all of that as disrespectful -- and it is -- you'd have much higher numbers for TBP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 03:46 PM |
| 4 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsrubbish methodology How so? Totally different and the two cannot be compared. Why not? Hate is hate, anger is anger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 03:44 PM |
| 1 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsYou can be attractive and still: Lack game (front-end conversation skills) Lack an understanding of how to transition a relationship from a hookup to something more Get taken advantage of Have success with women, but want more success Have ample success with women, but find the material interesting as a description of relationships Not everyone who visits a fitness forum is a fatass. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 03:42 PM |
| 4 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsMy point is that it goes far beyond "making fun." Quite a bit of it isn't satire, isn't mocking questionable logic, isn't just laughing at some of the more absurd statements that pop up on any reasonably large sub -- it's hate. Statements like these: They're cowards and sadists... They're pathetic... They're repulsive... They're boring, dull, and emotionally anally constipated they'd suck up my couch... ...they're brain dead... Someone that thinks they're superior to me in most ways because they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 09:18 AM |
| 6 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThere are plenty of posts that are just users going on about how much they hate TRP. Plenty of comments, too; there are examples in the last paragraph of the OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 09:12 AM |
| 5 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThat's legit the sub's description though... Saying it doesn't make it true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 09:03 AM |
| 4 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThe shocking finding is that TRP's content is just as shitty as TBP's content when TRP is an actual sub for advice. What's shocking is that a group that claims to be the "good guys" is just as hateful as the "bad guys" they rail against. TBP isn't just satire and jokes and poking fun at logic they find questionable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 08:40 AM |
| 4 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThis is a terrible analogy for two reasons: The KKK commits real crimes and real acts of physical violence. That alone makes it not remotely comparable to a group of guys talking about women on the internet. If we set aside acts of physical violence for the moment and only look at rhetoric, anti-KKK groups do not use the same hateful messaging the KKK does, and if there is a hateful element to anti-KKK groups it's nowhere near as common as hate from the KKK itself. The blue pill isn't analogous … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 08:37 AM |
| 3 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsShow me some evidence that his strict binary is supported by anything? He isn't using a strict binary -- he's saying that there are similarities between soft coercion (the unspoken understanding that if a woman never sleeps with her husband he'll eventually divorce her) and hard coercion (rape at knifepoint). And there's plenty of reasoning in that post to support that idea. He mocked the logic Quote me the part you see as "mocking." Mocking is blatantly disregarding the worth of an argument you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 08:26 AM |
| 2 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsIt's the exact opposite of this. Nothing at that post comes off as clearly, indisputably angry. He's backing up his thoughts with ample reasoning, the tone is calm and detached, and the whole thing is awfully sympathetic towards women -- "If you aren’t building attraction to the point where a woman is begging and pleading you to thrust your cock into her, you’re doing her a disservice." He's telling men they're the reason they aren't getting laid, not women. that kind of contempt for other peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 07:40 AM |
| 4 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsJust because people misrepresent things doesn't mean some of those things aren't fucked up. Actually it does mean "those things aren't fucked up." Calling LMR rape doesn't make it so; it just means it's being wildly misrepresented. Assuming that someone blowing smoke must mean there's fire is a bad strategy in an environment where criticism is so far detached from reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 05:00 AM |
| 3 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsOfc there's a lot of disdain, that's like, it's purpose. Yet blue pillers get uncomfortable if you call them a hate group. They're trying to argue "well of course we have a bunch of hate on here; that's the point" when it's convenient, and simultaneously rail against hate and claim "it's just jokes and satire and joshing around" when that's convenient. They're not intellectually honest enough to own what they're doing, and (as /u/Electra_Cute points out) they have no real claim to any moral high… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 04:56 AM |
| 2 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsDespite using roughly similar methodologies for estimating hateful content, and using very lenient standards for TBP and somewhat harsh ones for TRP, you found almost identical levels of hateful content in both subreddits. Yes, that's essentially what I found. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 04:48 AM |
| 1 | Do men and women have different or similar sexuality?He creates the impression that they're both equally wrong by saying the exact same thing about both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 04:47 AM |
| 2 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsYou can certainly make very hateful statements in an unemotive and "logical" way I agree, but colder, more detached language is correlated with more rational and less emotional comments. It's extremely rare to see a calm, measured statement in the form of "I hate group X for A, B, and C reasons," and have none of those reasons be an insult. It's not perfect, but there's certainly a correlation between what I'm measuring and hate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 04:46 AM |
| 5 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThe explanation is that: There are instances of anger and hate that aren't measured by this "it has to be super duper obvious to count" method, and If there's almost no positivity coming out of TBP, and there's already a bunch of overt hate, what are the odds that the balance has a lot of more subtle hate (i.e. disdain). There's also the elephant in the room -- that a tally not as hard on TRP and not as easy on TBP would show a significant difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 12:21 AM |
| 10 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsWhen x, y, and z are largely inaccurate (e.g. the myth that blue pill "highlight reels" are reflective of TRP) or wildly misrepresented (e.g. the "LMR is rape" myth) using those "reasons" as justification to hate doesn't make sense. And fighting what you see as hate with hate of your own is all but abandoning the moral high ground blue pillers so love to believe they have. If you become what you're fighting, you haven't really won. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 12:15 AM |
| 2 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsit's poisoning the well in order to make sure that everyone subscribes to some of the most negative features of AWALT, including "regret is rape.", I can't say for sure without seeing the comment in question, but if someone is making the case that sex the woman later regrets is sometimes called rape -- even if it was consensual and wanted at the time -- then no, that's not an insult. I defined an insult as either A) an insulting word like asshole, stupid, shithead, etc.; and/or B) some less prof… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 12:10 AM |
| 3 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsI addressed that here: Most importantly, it's quite easy to write a comment that's at least disdainful (if not hateful) but involves no profanity and no overt insults. Almost every comment on TBP is attacking something, and there are almost no comments on TBP that exist solely or primarily to encourage something positive. There are countless posts on TRP that don't show disdain for anyone, don't attack anyone, and are primarily or entirely there to encourage something positive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 11:58 PM |
| 3 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsneedless cruelty A dirty secret no one likes to admit is that hate feels good. People like to hate. It's easy, and the deeper you dive into it the less conflicted you feel. People love a good villain because he's easy to hate. There's a reason "heel" is a term in professional wrestling, and a reason so many sports teams' fanbases have chants of "fuck the [insert rival here]." There's a good argument that we're hard-wired to hate (we evolved in scarcity and needed to be mentally able to fight at … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 11:32 PM |
| 4 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsYou're on here, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 11:20 PM |
| 9 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsIn your previous analysis, did you count redpill "advice" that's using veiled insults as the sole basis of the advice, underneath of it all? I'm not sure what you mean by this. I was purposefully hard on TRP, though -- one example is counting "beta" as an insult, whatever the context. Though it is used as an insult sometimes, it's often just used as a descriptor, and is often used to refer to actions instead of people. I have more detail on this in the original post. When it offers only 3% more … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Comparison of prostitution and marriage, with some actual sources to refer to.My impression of prostitution in continental countries is that it's quite a bit more accepted than prostitution in Commonwealth countries. In the UK: In Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland), prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is legal,[2] but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes. In Northern Ireland, which previously had similar laws, paying for se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 11:06 PM |
| 2 | Comparison of prostitution and marriage, with some actual sources to refer to.It's crazy to believe marriage rates went down that much (for the US and Belgium according to this link) in a matter of 12 years. Yeah, there's definitely more going on than just whether prostitution is legal or illegal -- the institution of marriage is collapsing for many reasons. But if you're looking for evidence showing that marriage rates are roughly the same whether a country has legal prostitution or not, that doesn't appear to exist. Note also that according to your source the Netherland… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 10:53 PM |
| 2 | Comparison of prostitution and marriage, with some actual sources to refer to.One example of a country with legal prostitution is Belgium. In 2013 its crude marriage rate was 4.1 per 1000 persons, which is about 40% lower than the crude marriage rate in the U.S. (6.9 per 1000 persons). Obviously there are a ton of other factors at play, but yes, there is a huge difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 10:40 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsWow, got me there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 08:42 PM |
| 1 | Comparison of prostitution and marriage, with some actual sources to refer to.street workers make 144% of what a shop worker would earn. You're understating the significance of this point. If a woman is choosing between generic unskilled work and prostitution, a 44% raise over minimum wage is huge. That's going from $8/hour to $11.50/hour, or an annual pay increase of $7,280. You're also paid in cash (so you can effectively tax it however you like) and set your own schedule. Most importantly, there's opportunity to improve her situation quickly -- she can get overtime whe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 08:42 PM |
| 1 | Comparison of prostitution and marriage, with some actual sources to refer to.So from all of this are you arguing women are anti-prostitution because they are worried it will affect their ability to marry? If any man with a decent income can sleep with an attractive woman whenever he wants, no strings attached, with no possibility of legal repercussions, we'd see the number of men interested in relationships (which are a necessary stepping stone to marriage) plummet. You can already see this among rich, attractive, and/or famous men -- it's not very tempting to give up th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 08:29 PM |
| 1 | The concept of sexual objectification actually is an attack on male sexuality (regardless of what it was originally intended to be)Talking about sexual objectification doesn't men that they don't consider the way workers are often treated as objectification. Then their argument boils down to "objectification is super bad when it happens to my group, but I'm not terribly concerned when it happens to other groups." It's hard to sympathize with such a selfish movement, especially one that can't even admit that openly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: What was something that you didn't realize was sexist until the internet pointed it out to you?Commenting on anyone's appearance when it not solicited and off topic is rude, inappropriate, and a sign of poor social skills. I've had "been working out?" comments directed towards me and a few of my friends. It's especially common when someone loses 10-20 pounds. I have yet to see someone on the receiving end of such a compliment take offense to it. Clearly some physical compliments are appropriate. What made Trump's remark inappropriate was a combination of A) his poor social skills, B) his … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 08:07 PM |
| 4 | Does cat-calling ever work?You have to realize this is in no way an answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 07:58 PM |
| 5 | Reebok slams Trump, claims its never appropriate to call a woman "beautiful"Context matters. Trump's made tons of statements about that range from grossly inappropriate ("grab 'em by the pussy", "bleeding from her... whatever") to rude ("such a nasty woman") to just off-color. When you have that track record your future statements go under a microscope. Then there's there's just basic diplomacy and tact. You're meeting the leader of a prominent ally and the first thing you say to his wife is... hey, you look great? She's attached to plenty of personal/political projects… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 07:49 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsThen we have at least two mods who are unwilling to enforce their own rules. You have no reasonable argument here, so you just ignored everything I quoted back to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 07:36 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: What percentages of your friends "ride the cock carousel"? Do/Did you?The point is that there are many promiscuous women who aren't represented by the comments here. Either they personally don't post on PPD, or don't know someone (well enough) who does. Blue pillers on here self-select as more likely to have low partner counts and to be surrounded by women with low partner counts. If they all had high partner counts and had a ton of friends with high partner counts, that's one huge part of TRP they wouldn't really have a disagreement with, and they'd be a lot less… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 02:26 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsWhen you asked for a specific rule, you were either: Aware that such a rule existed, and actively ignoring it, or Ignorant of your own rules. I assumed it was (1), and so I tried to appeal to you logically. But maybe I was wrong, so here are your own rules, which you must need a refresher on: What we mean by civil in PurplePillDebate: Civil: (definition) Polite but not friendly : only as polite as a person needs to be in order to not be rude. Polite: (definition) Showing or characterized by corr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 02:14 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: What percentages of your friends "ride the cock carousel"? Do/Did you?I believe that it's likely that there are people out there who have casual sex and don't know a person who posts on PPD. Well there you go. That's the point /u/Ercole-- was getting at. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 01:31 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsCan you point out the rule that says either snark or snip are uncivil? Any common sense rule about civility would take issue with that. You wouldn't send that to your boss, would you? No one gets an email back from their boss over a weekend and A) ignores the content of the conversation in favor of B) taking a jab at how they spend their time. That doesn't happen because any reasonable person can see that it's uncivil. Look at any sub that actually gives a damn about fostering a civil atmosphere… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 01:29 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: What percentages of your friends "ride the cock carousel"? Do/Did you?There are plenty of people who don't use reddit, and many of them hang out with one another. It's not hard to imagine a handful of close friends, none of whom are on here. And even if they know someone who uses reddit, that person might only "use" it in the sense that they browse for memes and news. And even if they comment, there's an excellent chance they aren't commenting here. There are only 12,000 subscribers to PPD, and an exponentially smaller number of active commenters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 01:18 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsClearly you have no interest in actually promoting civil conversation if you're so willing to let snippy shit like this fly. Why even make it a rule, then? Why the facade? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 01:09 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: What percentages of your friends "ride the cock carousel"? Do/Did you?Already there are a ton of examples, and then you factor in the cases where someone sleeps around more than they let on to their friends. Clearly this behavior is far from uncommon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 01:05 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: What percentages of your friends "ride the cock carousel"? Do/Did you?You don't think that there are at least some women who: Sleep around Don't use reddit Hang out mostly with other people who don't use reddit What part of that is so unrealistic? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 01:01 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsThere is something about civility, and "don't you have something better to do," however snarky or unsnarky it's phrased, is uncivil. Complaining that I flagged something you clearly meant as a dig at me is laughable however you look at it. You had no other motivation behind that comment -- no argument, no new information, nothing. It was just a jab, and of course a jab by itself is uncivil. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 12:55 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsI already stated that argument in plain terms. You ignored that, so I rephrased it in a more impactful way. And "I'm not the only one" isn't a convincing defense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 12:47 PM |
| 3 | Do men and women have different or similar sexuality?I don't know how this is debatable. For blue pill ideas to make any sense one has to consider absurdities like this. That speaks volumes to how realistic blue pill ideas actually are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 12:40 PM |
| 1 | Do men and women have different or similar sexuality?The old golden mean fallacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 12:39 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsYou really think a snarky "don't you have something better to do" is civil? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 12:37 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsGod, the irony. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 11:52 AM |
| 1 | Q4W: What percentages of your friends "ride the cock carousel"? Do/Did you?But undoubtedly there's a certain demographic of woman who goes out often, has a lot of sex, and doesn't reddit. Or hang out with people who do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 08:19 AM |
| 6 | There is no WGTOW because women need men more than men need womenWhen men say women are useless: That's misogyny, that's hate, that's idiotic, that's the worst the internet has to offer, those guys are losers and one bad day from shooting up a school. When women say men are useless: That's a mainstream political movement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 07:04 AM |
| 2 | Q4ALL How should creeps be treated?In my view, making people feel uncomfortable by ignoring social cues and conventions (i.e. being creepy) is anti-social Going out of your way to be an ass to someone -- unless their behavior is way over the top -- is also "ignoring social cues and conventions," notably those that dictate treating people with basic politeness. 90% of the time "creep shaming" is like getting annoyed at someone talking too loud in the library and screaming at them to shut up. I'm sure it makes you feel better, but … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 06:58 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traits"I don't have an argument, so I'm going to complain about something totally unrelated then take my ball and go home." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 06:32 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsShe went back on her word to not accept partisan donations for her totally non-partisan film. She said she would not accept funds from partisan organizations. Her funding was from individuals; that's the whole point of a kickstarter. Even if she wanted to, how was she supposed to sort out which individuals were partisan and which were just interested in the content? Breitbart news, AVfM and TRP all advertised and encouraged donations to Jaye because it was already clear she was going to do a flu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsThe same MRAs she once feared have championed her project, helping to raise more than $135,000 to finish post-production on the documentary. The documentary was already in post-production when she received funds from MRAs. At that point she had already finished filming -- and already started to question her pre-existing beliefs. In her words, "The story is done, I’m not going to reenact a different story." She had launched a Kickstarter campaign earlier in the month and, with two weeks to go, ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 04:57 AM |
| 7 | Can we talk Lesbian Bed Death?It's one of those uncomfortable little facts that is way too supportive of TRP ideas. There isn't really an argument against it, so all blue pillers can do is ignore it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 04:40 AM |
| 1 | Can we talk Lesbian Bed Death?Blue pillers playing dumb because they have no real argument... I'm shocked. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 04:35 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsthere's not much to decode from statements like "single mothers are delinquent sub human scum" When there are pages upon pages of material expanding on a (deliberately hyperbolic) title such as this, and a wealth of highly-upvoted comments disagreeing with those sorts of ideas, yes, there is absolutely "much to decode." Pretending TRP is nothing but bashing women is exactly the sort of intellectual laziness that can be seen in anti-TRP hit pieces. It's a popular narrative that involves almost ze… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 01:14 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?it's 100% hypocritical coming from a group that shits on large groups of people often, particularly women Well the guy making that argument isn't a red piller, so there's no concern about hypocrisy here. Of course we both know that will never happen As I established in my last comment, the idea that red pillers on here are constantly doing nothing but shitting on women is complete fiction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 12:54 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsFor the most part, journalists/bloggers who write about TRP don't look that deeply into it. They see the outrage porn produced by TBP, take it at face value, and write an easy piece about this new, awful thing on the internet. Why would they put in more work? It's harder, and writing an article with any sympathy for TRP is politically unpalatable. When people do dig a bit deeper into the manosphere, you get something like The Red Pill documentary, where the filmmaker comes away thinking "you kno… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 12:51 AM |
| 1 | On Hatred for TRPIt's not hard to find TRP threads/posts/comments that talk about the average guy being immature and incompetent. Look at how the sub talks about beta men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 12:30 AM |
| 3 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?It's useful to show the person the logic they are using. That works if you make it obvious that you're critiquing their logic. If your criticism is that they're using insults, not arguments, and you just insult them back that's far from clear. "If you wrestle with a pig, from a distance it's hard to tell who's who." Why is that not equally an answer to someone ridiculing red pillers? ...That's exactly how I'm using this argument. If someone is just ridiculing red pillers, that's a lot less usefu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 07:14 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?He is better off ALWAYS assuming the woman isn't genuinely attracted to him? Come on, put in your usual level of effort on this one. Read the whole comment. I very clearly said he's better off "until he has lots of evidence to the contrary," and that this helps him "get hurt less... make fewer stupid relationship decisions... [and] go through fewer messy divorces." I absolutely don't agree that this is most of the relationships women get into. OK, don't use settling as an example then. Use marri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 06:55 AM |
| 3 | Dating down in looks is a great deal for men todayI do not read field reports or almost anything posted on r/TheRedPill Imagine walking into a discussion class or a meeting and stating "I read almost none of the materials we're here to talk about." Who would take you seriously? How arrogant would you have to be to think you have a good handle on stuff you know so little about? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 06:38 AM |
| 1 | Are SMV and RMV negatively correlatedThe reason is that a woman thinks a man with a body like that is less loyal and reliable, and you need those things in a LTR but not for a ONS. Yet I don't see those guys out of relationships for long unless they want to be. Women might say "oh I don't think he'd be loyal," but they're probably saying that because A) they don't think they have a chance with him and B) want to rationalize that to "I didn't want him anyway." In reality, if that guy actually wanted a relationship with them they'd b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 06:33 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsfar too many "blue pillers" here are too passive on red pill crap, and are just liberals two steps away from a purple flair. It's almost as if there are a lot of reasonable people out there who can see that red pill ideas aren't that crazy, and that staunch blue pillers are part of a small minority that has a real problem with them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 06:29 AM |
| 8 | Are SMV and RMV negatively correlatedI swear red pillers are constantly coming up with new nonsense terms The acronym "RMV" is years old and is used on here pretty frequently. You either don't actually pay attention to anything red pillers write (intellectual dishonesty) or you're just taking a cheap, lazy shot at them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 06:26 AM |
| 0 | Are SMV and RMV negatively correlatedI'm inclined to believe that SMV can only enhance RMV I think OP has a good point -- that high SMV can sometimes make one less attractive for a relationship. If someone (man or woman) grows up in an environment where they can get other desirable partners for casual sex without any significant effort, that's the sexual equivalent of a spoiled brat. Why would they go out of their way to make their partner happy? Why would they compromise with their partner on anything? Why bother with relationship… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 06:23 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?In that way, it's logically no different than shittiing on women as a group or BPers as a group (which RP loves to do). Then why would you emulate a bad, non-persuasive argument? My reply asks, under HIS logic, why I should bother debating RPers when they, as a group, appear to want to shit on women primarily. He answers that clearly: Because that allows you to explain your thinking to someone who's on the fence. Why else are you here? Yet we see WAY more "women are awful" than literally anythin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 06:16 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?That said, in this hypothetical the woman is almost certainly somewhat physically unattractive If only the top, say, 20% of men qualify as AB then there would be quite a few average to above-average women out there who are still unable to snag one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 06:12 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?Either stay single or marry a dude they aren't attracted. Many do, and that sets up a whole host of other problems. My beef is with the idea that it's the primary strategy most women employ. Think of it as a heuristic. Some percentage of women genuinely like their partners, some are settling with a guy they aren't thrilled with because he's the best they have at the moment. We can debate all day about what those percentages are, but a guy is going to be a lot better off if he assumes the latter … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 06:05 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?a large portion of the community is made up of angry incels looking to voice their distain for women and stoke their digital dicks The type of guys you're describing -- incels who don't actually want to improve, and just want to bitch -- are usually shouted down on TRP. If there's a guy on TRP bitching about how hopeless it is, it's not long before someone chimes in and asks him if he's really tried or if he's just giving up because he's [insert excuse here]. Those same guys get pushback here, f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 03:23 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?Their logic makes perfect sense: If you want neutral third parties to consider what you have to say, shitting on someone in lieu of making an actual argument isn't a good strategy. Your reply asks why you'd bother engaging with someone who's just insulting a group themselves (of course, that's not what the vast majority of red pillers do on here anyway, but that's not the point). In addition to the original argument -- that by engaging them you have the opportunity to convince someone neutral to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 03:16 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?why the fuck should women engage with terpers Because that's literally the purpose of this sub. If you just want to shit on them, you can do that almost anywhere else. There are even a number of subs that cater specifically to that desire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 02:53 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?Plenty of AB/high beta dudes who ARE sexually attractive to the women they marry. Of course they are -- but what do the rest of the women out there do? The ones who can't find a AB/high beta guy? Imagine you're looking for a job, and that all jobs can be described by how fun they are and by how much they pay. Those are the only two attributes any job has in this hypothetical. You want a job that's really fun and that pays well, right? Of course -- so does everyone else. And like anything that's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 02:52 AM |
| 0 | Q4BP do you think there's anything good about traditionally masculine traitsIt's when a guy punches someone out for calling him a sissy. That's pretty much the definition of traditional masculinity. Defending your honor and all -- people would fight duels over that. It's when a man refuses to use something important (like hygiene products) because they're pink and therefore unmanly and therefore he can't let it touch him or his identity will be damaged. Again, this is traditional masculinity. It's not like average guys historically used exfoliating face scrubs and got p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 02:32 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?When you ask a question in the form of "do you really believe X" and every answer is "no," that's a good sign you were just railing against a straw man in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 02:24 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?It's not even that they're assholes; it's that your success highlights their failures. If you lose a ton of weight, for example, it drives home how they've always wished they were able to do that but never got around to it. They don't like to be reminded of this, and this creates resentment whether they realize it on a conscious level or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 02:23 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?If there were more active people like you willing to calmly explain the beliefs and address any concerns people like /u/theambivalentrooster have, there wouldn't be such animosity between TRP and BPers! Simple misunderstanding isn't the cause of animosity here. If blue pillers hated TRP just because they didn't understand it they'd just go read it, or they'd read any of the countless posts/comments here that "calmly explain the beliefs and address any concerns." But blue pillers -- for the most … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 02:21 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP - Do you *really* believe that women/society/Feminism/Illuminati are conspiring to keep certain groups of men from succeeding sexually?you shouldn't be expecting this post to generate much actual discussion when you ask a question as snarky as yours. That's the thing -- he's not looking for discussion, he's looking to troll. Tons of blue pillers on here do it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.I'm talking before the end-game scenario where he finally puts an ultimatum out there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 02:06 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Will visiting a prostitute help improve a man's confidence/give him an abundance mentality?If you're "approaching" her at all -- in the sense that you're looking for something more than a professional or platonic relationship -- sex is part of your thought process at some level. At the end of the day you aren't just looking to hold hands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 02:05 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Will visiting a prostitute help improve a man's confidence/give him an abundance mentality?The last thing I was thinking about was having sex with the women who I was approaching. You know that hear-beating-faster feeling when you approach a woman, that stems from fear of rejection? Guys get that same sort of feeling when they try to escalate sexually if they've never done it before (or if they haven't done it much). And for the same reason -- they're afraid they'll mess it up, and she'll think he doesn't know what he's going, and he'll get turned down. I think the latter type of fear… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 09:56 PM |
| 1 | On Hatred for TRPThere IS sexism in red pill, and there IS misogyny too. Sure. You can find sexism and misogyny all over the internet, and all over real life. And just like all of those other places, a lot of the over-the-top stuff is done for ulterior motives (hyperbole as a rhetorical device, edgelording, openly admitting to what your opponent attacks to steer the conversation elsewhere, etc.). But none of that changes the fact that -- as you agreed -- TRP has some "really good advice." That's what people are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 09:50 PM |
| 3 | Follow up discussion on Google Data expert's porn findingsDid they discuss how many straight men are into tranny porn? How many? You say this like you have a source. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 09:41 PM |
| 2 | Follow up discussion on Google Data expert's porn findingsmost females do not have an actual fantasy of having a male that "wants" them coming out of the bushes and sexually assaulting them. That's not what rape fantasy and dominance porn shows. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 09:41 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Will visiting a prostitute help improve a man's confidence/give him an abundance mentality?Confidence means believing you can handle some task in the future. The best way to become confident is to actually do that task, because then you know for sure that it's possible and you have some experience with it. If I say I'm confident I can run an 8-minute mile, it means I believe I can do that if I ever needed/wanted to. The best way to be confident about this would be to actually go out and run a mile in less than 8 minutes; I'd know it's possible for me and I'd have experience with it. A… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 09:26 PM |
| 2 | On Hatred for TRPNo, that's not what TRP does at all. TRP just tells guys "if you wouldn't put up with it from a man, don't put up with it from a woman, either." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 09:10 PM |
| 1 | On Hatred for TRPExcept women are generally excused of it, while men are called out for it. This post is one of countless examples of where this "part of being human" behavior is held against men, but not women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 07:58 PM |
| 4 | How straight couples met their partnersAny guy who claims "I got talking to two girls who wanted to meet up with me" on the first day they made an online dating profile either: Is significantly above-average looking, or Puts tons of time in on that dating site, or Goes for below-average looking women, or Doesn't realize those replies are bots/some other scam, or Doesn't realize those respondents aren't serious about meeting. Or some combination thereof. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 07:41 PM |
| 4 | How straight couples met their partnersPowerful rebuttal! You've changed my mind! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 07:34 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.She could express some desire to occasionally sleep with her husband. It's amazing how little it takes from her end to fix this issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 06:57 PM |
| 9 | How straight couples met their partnersPlenty of people meet at work; that doesn't mean hitting on your coworkers is a great idea in general. It's a decent idea if both people are interested before the topic is broached, but there's almost no way to know that for sure before you bring it up. Anywhere else, a rejection means a bit of awkwardness that isn't that hard to get over. At work, rejection can mean a threat to your livelihood. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/17 01:38 AM |
| 1 | How can we realistically make things better for men and women?OK, where do you get the money for the down payment? It's not easy to save that money up on a wage you can get straight out of high school, especially when you're renting in the interim. What about property tax? And what about maintenance costs (e.g. what happens when your AC goes out in the summer)? And what does the buyer do when a small home in an area with low demand (they type of home you could buy cheap) needs to be sold again? When you just look at the mortgage payment it looks manageable… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 11:29 AM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB Surveyyou're claiming that literally anyone can run a social engineering scam on a major ISP to get protected personal details of private customers just by making a phone call. No, I'm claiming it's possible, and it's not that far-fetched. Again -- intellectual honesty is key here. You actually have to read what I'm writing and pay attention to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 09:31 AM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB Surveyaccording to you the only thing you have to do is pick up the phone and talk into it That's a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Have some intellectual honesty. Running a mile in four minutes is quite demonstrably more difficult than speaking words into a phone. "All you have to do is run. It's something any able-bodied person can do. Here, I'll give you $1000 to do it. Oh you won't? Must mean it's impossible, then." But hey if you can't do it that's fine. How juvenile are you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 09:23 AM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyCan you run a four minute mile? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 09:17 AM |
| 1 | How can we realistically make things better for men and women?With what money? With what job? Where? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 04:31 AM |
| 3 | How can we realistically make things better for men and women?Here's the difference: Older technological advancements made certain unskilled jobs obsolete but created new unskilled jobs. We have tractors now, so we don't need to hire dozens of field hands for farms? Oh well, those laborers can go work on an assembly line that makes the tractors. A bit of retraining is required, but at the end of the day it's still unskilled labor. Now we're automating the last remaining unskilled jobs. Millions of men work as drivers (OTR truckers, Lyft/Uber, cabs, etc.) a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 04:29 AM |
| 2 | How can we realistically make things better for men and women?Except the advancements that are going to mechanize most jobs are already here. Self-driving cars exist. Self-serve kiosks at fast food chains exist. Those technologies mechanizing tens of millions of jobs isn't a matter of [major advancement] happening; it's a matter of ironing out the last few kinks and then ramping up production. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 04:12 AM |
| 1 | How can we realistically make things better for men and women?Not the fact that they've got corrupt leaders. Or the fact that for the last 500ish years they've had various groups pulling wealth out of their country instead of re-investing it. It's the nation-state equivalent of a mining town. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 04:09 AM |
| 4 | How can we realistically make things better for men and women?Chads do not provide resources, by definition. Surfer bro Chad might not provide resources, but private equity bro Chad or investment banker bro Chad certainly does. While some men can be high-value in the eyes of women despite producing little economically, a lot of high-value men produce lots of economic value as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 04:06 AM |
| 1 | *Totally Not a Post Berating Incels...talk about women of various attractiveness like they are video game bosses of various difficulty. This sounds like it's just making fun of guys who play video games. Pretty much anything where you have to repeat the same task over and over in situations with varying degrees of difficulty comes up with at least an informal system for labeling which situations are most difficult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 03:54 AM |
| 1 | *Totally Not a Post Berating Incels...Go to a bar. People walk out with people they didn't know at the beginning of the night all the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 03:49 AM |
| 2 | *Totally Not a Post Berating Incels...Why are you refusing to clarify what was "uncivil"? That's not an overly burdensome request, and if it was clear enough to remove it should be easy enough to explain in a comment. How are people supposed to know exactly what constitutes civil or uncivil when a mod won't just plainly tell them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 03:47 AM |
| 1 | *Totally Not a Post Berating Incels...I'm not sure guys overestimate their attractiveness as much as they underestimate A) the chances that they lucked into their current partner and B) the difficulty of going out and finding a comparable or better partner. They just don't think in those terms because it's such unfamiliar territory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 03:43 AM |
| 1 | *Totally Not a Post Berating Incels...Honestly I can't "smell fear"... The biggest tell with these types of guys is their autistic spectrum conversation skills coupled with forced unnatural levels of eye contact and guarded posture. What you're describing is exactly what people mean when they talk about "smelling fear." They're just using shorthand for "I can pick up on subtle differences between this interaction and the interaction of someone who is totally comfortable with me." Perceiving yourself to be a 10 when you're a 6 won't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 03:40 AM |
| 1 | *Totally Not a Post Berating Incels...But this idea that once you can game 6s you can game 7s and so on seems kind of ridiculous. It assumes women have no other options, and that game is the only thing in play. Game isn't the only thing in play, but it's a significant factor. Women don't choose men on physical traits alone, they choose men based on a composite of all traits they're attracted to. A woman may have a slightly more physically attractive option, but if that guy's unconfident and socially awkward where a slightly less phy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 03:35 AM |
| 1 | Q4WOMEN: Do you enjoy getting catcalled?"Q4Russia: Did you interfere in the U.S. presidential election?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 03:22 AM |
| 7 | Q4all: is there a problem with the dating market?It's silly to ignore dating sites and apps when so many people use them. There's enough online dating activity that it's plausible nearly every single person has at least tried out a site or app. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 03:17 AM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB Surveytry it if you're so confident. This is a stupid argument, was a stupid argument, and will continue to be a stupid argument not matter how many times you ignore everything else I wrote and keep spamming it. Only an idiot would think that something is impossible if they can't do it themselves. You have to think outside yourself and your own abilities. This is like you telling me no one can run a four minute mile, me disagreeing, and you responding "well you do it if you're so confident." Running a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 03:09 AM |
| 2 | Are "Breast" men less attractive to women?Butts are certainly more "fashionable" now, because having a good butt is an indication that a woman does squats on the regular. I'd argue the opposite reason. If you play up the idea that big asses = sexy, it's easier to market sexy clothing towards overweight or obese women. 70% of American women are overweight or obese; are you going to ignore that big of a market if you're in the fashion industry? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 03:03 AM |
| 2 | Are "Breast" men less attractive to women?It's often said that it's "low-status" men who prefer large breasts. Hmm... care to provide one single example? I've never heard this, but I have heard the term "ghetto booty." Women don't want attention from their breasts Total nonsense. Plenty of women's clothing accentuates their breasts -- and who's buying that stuff? Being attracted to breasts is associated with being a momma's boy. Again... one single example of this is required to take this seriously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 02:53 AM |
| 4 | Is it really right to blame the guy in this situation?The other moral of the story is the timeless "blue pillers are completely incapable of honestly stating what they'd think if the genders were reversed." Not one blue piller on here would be telling a woman she needs to apologize to a guy who clumsily, painfully fingered her before getting upset and running off. The fact that the vast majority of blue pillers can't or won't see this goes a long ways towards explaining how difficult it is to have a reasonable conversation on here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 02:42 AM |
| 1 | Is it really right to blame the guy in this situation?You didn't even read it -- you have no clue what you're talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 02:34 AM |
| 2 | Is it really right to blame the guy in this situation?He coerced doing it in the bathroom. Quote the part that sounds like "coercion" to you, because this is total nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 02:32 AM |
| 2 | Is it really right to blame the guy in this situation?it's not her fault she gave a shitty handjob. Who's fault is it, if not the person A) performing the act and B) refusing to listen to their partner? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Is it really right to blame the guy in this situation?He was not egregiously wronged by this girl; frankly I don't even see why it merits a long Reddit post. He's not saying he was "egregiously wronged" -- that's just a projection of all the people attacking him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 02:29 AM |
| 1 | XPost Menslib - reporoductive coercionFrom the CDC: Approximately 8.6% (or an estimated 10.3 million) of women in the United States reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get them pregnant when they did not want to, or refused to use a condom... Approximately 10.4% (or an estimated 11.7 million) of men in the United States reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get pregnant when they did not want to or tried to stop them from using birth control. Keep in mind the figure for men is almost certainly under… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 01:53 AM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyDo you really believe the phone drone just has access to the personal information of all their customers in the first place? You overestimate how tightly that sort of information is controlled, and how willing employees are to share it under the right circumstances. Here's just one way you could get that information: An attacker calls random numbers at a company, claiming to be calling back from technical support. Eventually this person will hit someone with a legitimate problem, grateful that s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 01:32 AM |
| 2 | Why do Millennials like incest porn so much?years of watching hardcore porn increases the need for taboo material. I bet this is the biggest factor. If you don't have easy access to porn, the Sears catalog will get you going. But if all sorts of nasty shit is a click away you naturally get desensitized to the normal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 01:03 AM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyTry this. See if it works. Scams that depend on social engineering work all the time. How much do you trust some corporate drone getting paid $8/hour to tell people to unplug it and then plug it back in? All it takes is a couple of phone calls, and one guy like that is going to make a mistake, or get lazy, or just want to get off the phone because their shift is ending, etc., etc., etc. Or maybe OP himself -- or one of his friends -- works at an ISP over the summer. It's really not hard to imagi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/17 12:04 AM |
| 1 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyA properly designed survey would have these sorts of features built in. As someone who also has a bit of experience in this area, this survey doesn't scream "properly designed" to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 11:54 PM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyYeah, he's a doxxing target. Random RPM's aren't. How do you know? There are tons of blue pill lunatics out there who are convinced that every rank-and-file red piller is a rapist. Plenty of them would love to dox Average Joe TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 11:52 PM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyYou can't just get someone's dox from their IP address There's at least one way to do it. I'm behind 7 proxies Good for you. Phishing doesn't work on everyone, and it's not meant to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 11:46 PM |
| -1 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyWouldn't be that hard: Survey requests usernames Survey has some way of collecting IP addresses from respondents Creator matches usernames with IP addresses Creator finds some real identity attached to IP addresses Bam, real identity connected to username. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:43 AM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveySurvey doesn't ask your username. Yes, it does. Some people won't give it, sure, but a good phishing scam never relies on 100% of respondents giving up their information. Maybe whoever put this together would be more than happy to doxx even a handful of red pillers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:40 AM |
| 1 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyWho would come after you because someone at your IP address answered "I mostly agree with the sidebar of TRP"? Ever heard of Robert Fisher? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:29 AM |
| -1 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyThere are ways around it, sure, but not everyone is going to use them. Phishers never expect their scheme to work on 100% of the population. It's a numbers game. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:28 AM |
| 1 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyWhat percentage of responses do you expect to be garbage? How will you separate the garbage responses from people who give honest, straightforward answers? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:26 AM |
| 0 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyFor all we know this is one giant dox. It'd be easy: Survey requests usernames Survey has some way of collecting IP addresses from respondents Creator matches usernames with IP addresses Creator finds some real identity attached to IP addresses Bam, real identity connected to username. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:24 AM |
| 1 | Vox interviews Google Data Expert, asks questions about porn.Almost all anal sex videos have at least some vaginal sex in them, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:19 AM |
| 5 | Vox interviews Google Data Expert, asks questions about porn.It's awful. So much perfectly good porn ruined by incest weirdos. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:18 AM |
| 2 | Vox interviews Google Data Expert, asks questions about porn.If women actually wanted to do this stuff, they would be doing it. What makes you think they aren't? Go on craigslist personals or /r/r4r and it doesn't take long to find women looking to get gangbanged or "raped" or tied up or whatever. The women who actually want this stuff are going out and making it happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:15 AM |
| 1 | Vox interviews Google Data Expert, asks questions about porn.The internet plus men's thirst makes just about any realistic fantasy attainable for women, given time and a bit of flexibility. Why wouldn't they take advantage of that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 10:12 AM |
| 1 | PurplePillDebate/UCSB SurveyRed pillers are less likely to do anything that could be linked back to their real-life identity, because there might actually be a cost to that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 09:53 AM |
| 1 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?Don't know why the answer isn't "appropriate". I said nothing about "appropriate." I would say there's a 99% chance i won't get struck by lighting somewhere in the future but if i did i would probably die. You don't see me being scared of going out during storms If there was a 1-in-100 lifetime chance being struck by lightning, millions of people would die from lightning strikes in the U.S. alone. Everybody would at most be a degree or two removed from a few people who had died of lightning stri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/17 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?You linked to my own thread where i have already replied about the "misleading numbers". And I don't think your reply is adequate. Anyone who clicks through to that discussion can decide for themselves. still i don't know why people cry over this when they have a 97-99% chance of fathering their own progeny. As I said, the consequences of being wrong are incredibly high. Tens of thousands of dollars to raise a kid that isn't yours, plus severe emotional distress when you find out your kid isn't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 08:44 PM |
| 10 | Where do certain males learn the idea that being "nice" will attract a partner?Parents are bribing niceness into their kids trying to teach them how to be functional adults. I think the big impact this has on interactions with women is when boys start going on dates with girls. Their mom tells them to open doors, and tell their date they look good, and in explicit terms that being polite is what women want. Obviously they aren't telling barely-teenage boys "be nice and you'll get your dick sucked," but they are telling boys that women want nice, chivalrous behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 05:36 AM |
| 7 | Where do certain males learn the idea that being "nice" will attract a partner?So you're saying men should "just get it"? As I’ve written a thousand times, a cardinal truth of the universe is that genuine desire cannot be negotiated. The moment you tell your wife, your girlfriend, that you will exchange a behavior or attitude or belief or any other compromise for her desire you fundamentally change her organic desire into obligation. What she wants, what her hypergamy wants confirmation of, can never be explicated, it can only be demonstrated. If her desire is for you to b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 05:23 AM |
| 8 | Does the SMP make men cold-hearted?Make a Tinder profile with pictures of an average guy and find out for yourself. Or just track down any of the numerous articles where the author already did that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 05:07 AM |
| 3 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?It's much more reasonable than expecting a woman with morning sickness to chase after a guy and serve him paperwork. She only has to do that if she A) wants to keep the child and B) wants him to pay child support. If she wants to abort the pregnancy, or wants to raise it on her own with no financial assistance, she's free to do that without bothering with any paperwork. And if she wants him to pay child support, she's going to have to find him anyway. So even the difficulty of that is already ba… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 05:04 AM |
| 3 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?a guy could always refuse to have sex without an agreement This is laughable, and laughable nonsense doesn't make good policy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 05:02 AM |
| 4 | Q4RP: The manosphere has a precious wealth of knowledge, concepts, principles, tactics, and strategies. How much do you guys worry that over time there will be an increased female awareness of all the above-mentioned things, threatening their utility?I'm not to worried that women are going to suddenly stop liking guys who are in shape, confident, etc. TRP's goal is to help men become what women already like, and so women would have to completely upturn their preferences for it to lose its utility. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 05:00 AM |
| 2 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?But this isn't a public health concern. There is a health aspect of this -- one is more prone to certain diseases if it runs in their family. If a kid grows up not knowing who his real father is, he's unable to accurately answer questions about his family's history of disease, which could well jeopardize his health someday. In my opinion a much more appealing solution would be to allow men to request a paternity test without the mother knowing. This sounds pretty reasonable to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 04:39 AM |
| 2 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?the default option being the male responsible for his children without that agreement This is what we have now, and it makes it far too easy for a woman to saddle a man with tens of thousands of dollars in child support costs for a kid he never wanted. That's bad for the man, bad for the kid, and rewards shitty behavior from women. It gives women all the freedom in the world -- they can keep their kid or not -- and puts men's stake in the matter entirely in their hands. Any other method makes wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 04:26 AM |
| 2 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?Have the agreement support/no before sex. Paperwork before sex isn't very practical. Paperwork before kids is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 04:16 AM |
| 11 | Discussion: is women dating older men really a thing?Here's what happening: When you're young, even small age gaps (1-2 years) seem significant. This is because young people are still maturing, and major life changes happen pretty quickly. Think about a high school senior dating a high school sophomore -- that's just two years' difference, but she might not even be able to drive. Or a college junior dating a college senior -- just a one year difference, but she's studying abroad over the summer and looking forward to another year of school while h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 10:51 PM |
| 3 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?A legal process could be created for this. One already exists. My concern is only with parents who would seek to absolve themselves of support requirements after already accepting parental responsibility for the child. They would be in the same boat as all men with children are in today. As a caveat to that, paternity tests should be required prior to receipt of paternal support payments. Totally sensible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?Doesn't matter how invasive the procedure is. Unnecessary medical testing should not be mandated by the government. What constitutes "unnecessary"? Do vaccines count, for instance? Or fluoridation of public water? I'm generally highly supportive of an individual's right to their body, but it's far from a simple issue. In the specific case of paternity testing, I think the fact that the test could be done with near-zero invasiveness and no personal medical data being permanently collected makes t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?Did you miss where I addressed that in the second paragraph? I saw that, but as you state yourself you have "no idea how [not allowing women who ghost to collect child support] could be enforced." There's no good way. Any law that doesn't put the responsibility squarely on women is going to wind up with a bunch of sympathetic-looking new mothers in court against a bunch of "deadbeat" dads who never wanted a kid in the first place, and humans being humans this will result in men getting screwed. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 10:00 PM |
| 5 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?It's been pointed out elsewhere in this thread that those numbers are misleading: Well your first study (Anderson) found 2% but it was only looking at men who had very high rates of reported confidence in their paternity. That would naturally skew things. For men with low confidence that study found a 30% rate. Further, even a 2-3% chance is significant when the consequences of paternity fraud are so high. If there was a 1-in-50 chance of being saddled with tens of thousands of dollars in debt a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 09:50 PM |
| 1 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?I'm pretty sure modern DNA testing technology can use samples swabbed from the inside of one's cheek, so being "forced" to provide a DNA sample isn't remotely invasive. And the samples from the mother, father, and baby could be compared and then immediately destroyed; all the record would have to show is a match or a discrepancy. Working around legal/moral/privacy issues is pretty realistic. Most importantly, mandatory testing would eliminate the very real effects of social stigma and guilt. Rig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 09:44 PM |
| 0 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?This is so that a woman doesn't decide to have a baby thinking her partner is all for it, only for him to change his mind and abandon the child after their relationship falls apart three years later. But it also allows women to get pregnant, not tell the father, and then collect child support from a guy who never wanted a kid anyway. All she has to do is not tell him she's pregnant until after she legally can't get an abortion, or lie to similar effect. The issue is with her "thinking her partne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 09:29 PM |
| 3 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?That's a good question, but yeah, I think it should apply even within marriages. Women can still conceal a pregnancy if they're married -- the easiest hypotheticals are if she's overweight or one of their jobs takes them away for weeks at a time -- and men shouldn't be obligated to have kids just because they're married (no more than women should be obligated to get pregnant just because they're married). Having kids should always be a joint, fully-informed decision, and ensuring that through a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 08:33 PM |
| 4 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?So the term financial abortion is entirely misleading. OK, call it something else. "Financial abortion" is hardly the only term for this concept. What is the time frame for this process, in what span of time can the man exercise this tool? What if he doesn't know about the pregnancy until after the window of time is closed? I'd say he should have the option until he's legally served with notice that he's going to be held liable for child support. If the limit is, say, the window of time she has … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 08:19 PM |
| 12 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?If financial abortion becomes a legal process how do you restrict access to the child that the father has given up? What if he still lives by the mother and happens to 'bump into them' all the time? What if he works at the same place as the mother? The same way you restrict access to anyone else's kids. If there's occasional accidental contact, well, that's just the cost of living around other people. If there's harassment/stalking, there are already laws for that. What if he changes his mind af… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 08:00 PM |
| 15 | I just noticed a post-wall woman is hitting on me at work... wtf?Don't tell her they were too old for you; that can easily come across as telling her she's too old for you, which is of course exactly what you're doing. A more subtle way to communicate the same idea is to talk about dates you went on/are going on and drop hints as to how young these women are. Stuff like "it was her sister's 21st birthday last month" or "she has her 10-year high school reunion coming up" or "her friend just graduated from law school." Less is more -- don't overdo it. This way:… | /r/askTRP | 06/07/17 11:00 AM |
| 1 | Are you satisfied dating within your league?It's the whole package of of affection, intimacy, shared experience with another human, etc. I get that. But: There's very clearly a mental barrier in play here, and one way to overcome that is to pay for a hooker. That gets rid of the "I've never done this" mentality that leads to all sorts of anxiety with women, and demystifies the act of sex itself, both of which will help him get the type of affection he really wants. If this guy is claiming he's tried everything else -- and that's exactly w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 05:07 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: How much of a dealbreaker is height?In the real world cases I was sitting down in one and it came up once it became apparent that I was slightly shorter Then she's already seen how tall you are. Just say 5'9" or 5'10" and move on. There's zero reason to give her mental reasons to turn you down. Make her come up with those on her own. id rather not misrepresent myself Everyone misrepresents themselves to some degree online; ignoring that only works to your disadvantage. If you self-reject because you're married to the truth in an e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: How much of a dealbreaker is height?If you're having a real-world conversation with these women and have the connection you describe, A) it's hard to believe they're asking about your height and B) if they do, lying about it is all the easier. They see you right there in front of them; they know whether you're an acceptable height before you give them a number. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 04:27 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: How much of a dealbreaker is height?Presumably you're talking to these women online -- just lie about your height. Don't say you're 6'5" when you're 5'3", but add 2-3 inches. Most guys (especially online) overstate their height by about that much, so your honesty is putting you at a disadvantage for not reason other than... you want to be 100% honest to someone you've never met, for no tangible benefit to yourself? She's probably going to show up 10 pounds heavier than her picture anyway; this is just part of the game. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 04:17 PM |
| 3 | Are you satisfied dating within your league?Either: You are failing because you repeatedly ignore basic advice (e.g. bang a hooker to get over the mental hill you've constructed for yourself), in which case you should go out and do that before you continue complaining, or You truly are so wildly unattractive that there's nothing that can be done, and complaining about it is a waste of everyone's time. Whichever it is, you shouldn't be complaining about it on here almost every day. Incel whining is not allowed here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 04:07 PM |
| 3 | Are you satisfied dating within your league?DP's got that crazy shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Do you think TRP can be used ethically?An insult is an insult, whatever the reason. Plenty of guys out there neg naturally -- they give women a bit of shit, just like they give men a bit of shit. The words don't suddenly become evil when you understand the psychology of why people prefer that treatment over all praise and no hint of criticism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 03:55 PM |
| 1 | "Not all males in a sexually dimorphic species are meant to reproduce." So what do you suggest for those unsuccessful men to live a happy lifestyle?Doing god's work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 08:35 AM |
| 1 | N-CountJealousy and insecurity You're assuming these are the only reasons someone might find a high partner count unappealing, and that's not accurate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 08:29 AM |
| 1 | N-CountThere's a reason terpers are avoiding the question. "Actually read my commentary" and you'll see I've already answered this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 07:24 AM |
| 1 | N-CountIt's obvious through my demeanor and through the stories I tell that I'm experienced. This answers you question about why no one has ever asked, then. Confident men don't tend to obsess over men their girlfriends slept with before they met, that's a concern for inexperienced, young, and fearful guys. This is just "real man" shaming; nothing of substance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 07:21 AM |
| 0 | N-Count...Which only makes any sense if you are also insinuating that red pillers can't get laid. You clearly believe that; have some intellectual honesty and just say it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 07:14 AM |
| 1 | N-CountGenerally guys don't bluntly ask "so how many dicks have you sucked?". They listen to what she says when the conversation turns to the past, listen to her friends/family during the same sorts of conversations, and might mix in a little Facebook stalking. It's like wondering how much money your partner makes. Everyone wonders -- maybe it's just idle curiosity, maybe it's wanting to take a trip and not wanting to suggest something too expensive, maybe it's wanting to figure out if they have a dece… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 06:58 AM |
| 1 | N-CountSo you are insinuating that red pillers don't get laid. What was the point of denying that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 06:51 AM |
| 1 | AskTrp and guys who don't recognize red flagsLike most blue pill advice, that's a useless platitude. It doesn't give any detail on what constitutes "crazy," and if your answer to that is "it's obvious," well, if it's so damn obvious you don't need a platitude to scare you away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 06:44 AM |
| 3 | AskTrp and guys who don't recognize red flagsEach of these guys already knew the right answer, but they're still coming to AskTRP for confirmation. You've never asked a friend for advice on a situation you probably could have figured out by yourself? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 06:40 AM |
| 3 | AskTrp and guys who don't recognize red flagsBut this pattern comes up a lot on AskTRP, and I wonder if there's anything worth discussing here. Do TRP guys have a history of attracting women with lots of red flags? Maybe it's that running into single women with red flags isn't that uncommon. Maybe it's that guys who visit TRP-related forums don't simply rationalize those red flags away. Maybe it's that guys who visit TRP-related forums dig a little harder for this stuff at the beginning instead of falling head-over-heels and going on bliss… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 06:38 AM |
| 1 | Thought I found a unicorn and reality came crashing down...She seemed like a wholesome girl, considering she goes to church every week and loves working with children. Notice how you state this like it's a fact. You've known this woman for what, two weeks? Talked to her in person only three times? You don't know jack or shit about her. You really need to beat this point into your brain because you're still implicitly trusting her without evidence despite all other indications telling you she's nuts. Treat the first few weeks/months of a relationship lik… | /r/askTRP | 04/07/17 06:33 AM |
| 1 | "Not all males in a sexually dimorphic species are meant to reproduce." So what do you suggest for those unsuccessful men to live a happy lifestyle?I thought incel whining was banned on here? We've already beat this horse to death ten times over. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Do you think TRP can be used ethically?The RP Community is still faIrly new and already thousands of people have tried it and found it unhealthy, toxic in that short amount of time. TRP is at least four years old, and has over 200K subscribers. "Thousands" doesn't mean much when it's spread out over that long and represents less than 2% of people who've tried TRP. A product where 98% of customers don't bother to complain about it is probably a pretty good product. If we go by how long RP tactics and behaviours take to truly begin to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 06:19 AM |
| 1 | N-CountWhatever it is, they're insinuating that red pillers can't get laid, which was my point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 06:13 AM |
| 2 | N-CountHow is "terpers might not want to reveal low n counts" not "insinuating that red pillers don't get laid"? That's exactly what you said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:34 PM |
| 2 | Single women are not happy despite insisting they areThis does not follow unless women are so simple that we depend on the above (biological urges and what we're told) to be happy. I don't think it's a stretch to say that if deep biological urges and deep social conditioning go unfulfilled, people will be less happy than they would be otherwise. That doesn't make people simple -- it just means those are strong forces that play a large factor in determining long-term happiness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:31 PM |
| 1 | N-CountYou're insinuating that red pillers don't get laid, so there's one. And just because something isn't happening much two hours into the thread doesn't mean it will never happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:28 PM |
| 2 | Hypothetically speaking, how could TRP be used immorally?It's utterly ridiculous to remove comments that call out obvious, provable lies, and it's utterly ridiculous to call that behavior "uncivil" in a debate forum. Much of the discussion here is sifting out what's factual from what isn't, and pointing out people who are actively muddying the waters is a crucial part of that. You need to ask yourself why you're moderating against this behavior, instead of moderating against people telling blatant lies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:18 PM |
| 1 | Single women are not happy despite insisting they are"why is being with a man such a critical part of a woman's existence in your mind?" How is this not self-evident? Women (straight ones, at least) are biologically programmed to find at least some men attractive. In the West, they're raised in a culture that places a high value on finding long-term romantic companionship. And then there's simple social pressure -- when she reaches the point in her life when nearly all of her friends are in long-term relationships or getting married, basic psychol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:09 PM |
| 3 | Do you think TRP can be used ethically?If you're going to bring up /r/exredpill, it's worth noting that the size (~2,600 members) and inactivity are evidence that TRP works for the vast majority of people. When the "tried this, didn't like it" sub is less than 2% the size of the "tried this, like it" sub, most people probably find this stuff useful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:58 PM |
| 3 | Do you think TRP can be used ethically?negging Am I being "emotionally abusive" when my male friends and I are giving each other shit while watching a basketball game? Does talking to them like that mean I hate them, or that I hate men in general? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:55 PM |
| 1 | N-CountWhat's the point? If it's low, they'll be ridiculed (either individually or as a group). If it's high, blue pillers will ignore it or say they don't believe it. As you point out, they'll be ridiculed for saying nothing, too. So why bother? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:50 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?There's already millions of BP dating guides out there. Examples? Men's Health to How to Make Friends and Influence People These aren't "dating guides," they're A) a magazine that occasionally has advice about women and B) a book that has some general advice that may be applied to women. You wouldn't call a friend who occasionally gives you a stock tip, or who talks a lot about finance but doesn't give you specific stock tips a "financial adviser." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas./u/5th_Law_of_Robotics covers it best, and I still don't see a source for the assertion that flat rate brothels include sex as part of their flat rate. It could easily be a setup like a strip club with a cover, where that cover includes the cost of a few drinks but private lap dances still cost extra. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:43 PM |
| – | Hypothetically speaking, how could TRP be used immorally?Calling a liar a liar is not an insult. If the mods aren't going to remove comments from users who are obviously, provably lying, it's only reasonable to at bare minimum call those commenters out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:38 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.Those are minor problems when you're making $400-$1200/day. The low end of that spectrum is $83,200 annually -- if you only work four days each week. If you're at the upper end of that spectrum, one day of work each week yields an annual income of $62,400, which is fantastic money for unskilled labor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:55 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.Sure, but I've seen zero evidence to suggest prostitutes anywhere in Europe are commonly making 5€ per customer, and I have seen evidence that they probably make quite a bit more than that. If I found a prostitute on backpage in Chicago that charged $100/hour, I might think prostitutes in Alabama make less, but I would have no reason to think they make as little as $5/hour. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:31 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.There's a lot of good information there, but I don't see anything about the type of money most prostitutes are making. Also: The prostitutes' organization Hydra On second thought, maybe we should leave prostitution illegal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:26 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.Jesus, read what he's saying. He's explaining to you what he meant by that, and it's nothing to get hung up on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:19 AM |
| 1 | What event caused you to become redpill?People thinking you have to wait half an hour between eating and swimming doesn't make it true. Similarly, people thinking love and marriage are connected doesn't make that true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:14 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.Because licensing and regulation would make it more expensive than it otherwise could be. Sure, but legalization will have a downward effect on price, too. And we're not talking about an industry where customers are primarily concerned with cost, either -- guys would love to pay $20-$50 more to ensure that they aren't going to catch anything, and that they aren't going to get arrested, and that they aren't going to get beat up. Not to mention your most attractive prostitutes are almost certainly… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:11 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.Do you remember any of the sources? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:49 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.If it's really hard to force women to work as prostitutes -- because they have to go in to a police station and get a license for it, because every John they see knows that if he tips the police off to a trafficking crime that's $5000 in his pocket, because prostitutes are regularly requested by undercover cops, etc. -- what's the incentive to traffic women into the country for that purpose? Say you're a bad hombre and you've smuggled 10 women into the country you intend to force to work as pros… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:48 AM |
| 1 | What event caused you to become redpill?There's a very real difference between the two, regardless of what people think. There's an overlap in plenty of cases, sure, but it's entirely possible to have one without a trace of the other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:41 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.Okay so I live in Germany where prostitution is legal and most of them make far less money than that. A lot of our prostitutes are eastern immigrants who simply don't have any other way to legally make money here. Do you have a lot of friends who are A) eastern immigrants and B) prostitutes? If you don't, what are you basing this on? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:40 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.If your product is in high enough demand it sells itself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:39 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.And in Europe flat rate brothels cost 70-100€ to enter and the women get like 5€ per customer. Two minutes of googling suggests this is nonsense. Here's a massage parlor/brothel in Amsterdam that appears to be advertising 90€ per hour, and that may just be for massages, not even sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:38 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.It's still damn good money anyway you slice it. You can go on Backpage now and find loads of prostitutes charging well above $100/hour, but let's use $100/hour as a conservative estimate for now. Assume they average 5 workdays each week, and 3 Johns per workday -- that's $1500/week, or $6000/year, or $72000 annually. All in cash, all as tax-free as you want it to be. For 15 hours each week (call it 30 if you want to add in a bunch of travel and setup time), and you set your own schedule. And the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:31 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.Or a few reasonable regulations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:26 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Legalized prostitutes are not victims, they are making some of the top salaries in their areas.I've heard that argument before, and while I think it's legitimate it seems like fairly simple regulations could largely solve this. For instance, you could: Require prostitutes and their management/employers to have some sort of license or certification. Tie this with testing, so there's a greater incentive for Johns to solicit licensed sex workers. You could obtain this at a police station, by showing a valid photo ID, to minimize the chances of obtaining a fraudulent one. Fund standing reward… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:24 AM |
| 0 | Q4RP: Do you agree that "the plural of anecdote isn't data"?One guy hawking shit 99.9% of the sub will never buy isn't very convincing of anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 07:02 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?So even though I'm aware of that mental tendency, I can't fault someone for having it. I get what you're saying -- I sometimes take that mentality too with the same groups you do -- but it's pretty silly to act that way in a forum where the object is to debate those people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 06:20 AM |
| 7 | What event caused you to become redpill?I saw everyone on reddit shitting on TRP, and went to see what the fuss was about. Turns out if you actually read it there's plenty of stuff that makes sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 06:12 AM |
| 3 | What event caused you to become redpill?I'm skeptical of a good chunk of the evopsych, but the bits of reasoning that have to do with scarcity/basic behavioral economics make plenty of sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 06:07 AM |
| 3 | What event caused you to become redpill?You can love someone you don't marry. You can marry someone you don't love. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 06:05 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?I don't care where this story came from I have nothing to criticize My reaction would have been different if I believe you personally would not view differently in another context. I'm saying that blue pillers on the whole do in fact view the same story differently when it's in another context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 06:01 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?Because the execution tends to be pretty different from the principle You know this... how? You didn't witness the above story in person any more than you witnessed a TRP story in person. Your perception of the execution is entirely dependent on the words someone else typed and your own preconceptions. I was mostly saying that McArthur's story sounds legit. And I'm pointing out that if the exact same story was on TRP you'd have people criticizing it the way I described above. They would take a c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 05:38 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.They hold sway over who gets elected, who's safe or welcome in certain spaces, who gets hired, which way juries will swing during trials. If someone, for instance, votes "guilty" while serving on a jury mostly because the defendant is black, then the action is what's immoral, not the thought. The thought harms no one and does nothing on its own. I also know plenty of Joes, and most of the Joes I know are polite to their black coworkers and acquaintances. Prejudiced thoughts do not guarantee immo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 05:21 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.I don't believe they are going to apply some sort of moral "she got what she deserved" lens through this. Except that's exactly what the author says. What else do you think "They are willing to go nuclear and burn your whole life down" means? Arguing that you can take the gloves off with a particularly bad person isn't exactly complex morality. I don't believe most abortion decisions are made by women trying to baby trap a man. I don't either, and again, the author specifically mentions this isn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 04:58 AM |
| – | Hypothetically speaking, how could TRP be used immorally?Anyone who's been on here a week knows that blue pillers call TRP immoral all the time. It's dumb to pretend otherwise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 04:44 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.That's not at all what I said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 04:43 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?I have no idea if this is in any way grounded in reality, but I'm stealing this story. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 04:34 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?That's my point -- there's nothing unreasonable about this stuff. It's behavior normal people would have no problem with if they hear about it in a neutral setting. So why do they have a problem with it when it pops up on TRP? Because they're irrationally opposed to anything TRP-related, and unthinkingly reject it before even considering it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 03:15 AM |
| 3 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?I was at a bar one time with friends, out on a crowded patio with a few picnic tables. I'm sitting at one of them, talking with my friends, and a woman approaches me -- reasonably nicely -- and asks me to get up so she can sit and talk to her friends at an adjacent table. I -- reasonably nicely -- decline, because there's nowhere else for me to sit and talk with my friends. She keeps trying to get me to give up my seat and I keep declining, and she starts getting pissed and trying to shame me wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 11:14 PM |
| – | Hypothetically speaking, how could TRP be used immorally?Here's a whole thread from barely a day ago with tons of blue pillers saying TRP is immoral. You commented multiple times in that thread; you know you're full of shit right now. Why tell such an obvious lie? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 10:14 PM |
| 2 | Hypothetically speaking, how could TRP be used immorally?Why are you ignoring my point in favor of shitposting insults at TRP? If you just want to circlejerk and laugh about how TRP is dumb and you're smart, /r/thebluepill is that way. Again: If your thinking is that TRP "can't be" immoral, then why are there so many blue pillers on here bitching about how immoral TRP is? Either they're wrong, or you're wrong, or you have something to elaborate on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 10:08 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?Except for the "ignore her sometimes" part I wouldn't have thought that anyone would reasonable call those behaviors "treating her badly" just because he's not treating her with kids gloves. If you understand the behaviors TRP is talking about when they use the word "asshole," and you understand that there's nothing unreasonable about those behaviors, yet you still criticize red pillers for being "assholes," clearly you're not looking at this in a rational way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 10:05 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?If things worked as blue pillers claimed, they should get the hell off of here and go be millionaires by selling it to the countless guys who are looking for help. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 10:02 PM |
| 7 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?Here's how blue pillers would read this anecdote if it was on TRP: OMG, he called her a bitch! That's dehumanizing and misogynistic. Obviously he must have been being doing something shitty if she was so pissed at him and thought he was an asshole. And "she should have been grateful"? Ooh, so edgy. How full of himself is this guy? This is the type of completely reasonable stuff that's discussed on TRP, and how it's misrepresented. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 10:00 PM |
| 1 | Hypothetically speaking, how could TRP be used immorally?you thought you were ruining them forever You keep pushing this argument, and no one is buying it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 09:52 PM |
| 2 | Hypothetically speaking, how could TRP be used immorally?It can't be Then why is half of this forum bitching about how immoral TRP is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 09:50 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Do you agree that "the plural of anecdote isn't data"?Quantity matters. Three similar anecdotes doesn't mean much. Two hundred thousand similar anecdotes are at least worth looking into, and it would be unscientific and counterproductive to dismiss them out of hand. Overall this question is pretty useless as there's plenty of actual science supporting TRP, anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 09:43 PM |
| 3 | Q4RP: Do you agree that "the plural of anecdote isn't data"?Get back to us when TRP starts asking people to pay for stuff. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 09:34 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.I think it's you who needs to re-read this post. This strategy is for scheming, selfish women that want to use you - the type that would completely ruin your child. The type who do not see you as a human being. The author makes it clear that this is indented for a woman who's being "aggressive/militant" about not getting an abortion, who doesn't give a damn about you and the consequences she's imposing on you, and who has no issue with screwing you over hard if she has the ability to. He also ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 09:07 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.your research advisor telling you that he's leaving the school/ field of research halfway through your phd That doesn't cost you tens of thousands of dollars over the next few decades. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 08:44 PM |
| 3 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.If there is no sex, there relationship is NOT fine. I'm saying the relationship is fine outside of the fact there is no sex. Everything else is acceptable but that. It'd be like working for a startup where you love the work you do and the people you work with, but it's losing money and has to cut salaries. Everything is fine outside of the fact that you aren't making enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 08:40 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.you say being a single mother = child abuse ? I said nothing of the sort. Are you replying to the right person? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 08:38 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.The most obvious difference is that her boyfriend wasn't planning on doing something that would have a huge negative impact on her for the next few decades. Talking someone into harming themselves =/= talking someone out of harming you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 08:37 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.How is that analogy not fitting? If she has a kid he doesn't want, he's on the hook financially -- quite possibly to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. How is talking to someone -- not physically harming them, or even threatening physical harm -- abusive when they're dangling a life-altering financial burden over your head? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 06:22 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.if she doesn't want to have sex then the two should address the heart of the issue, rather than him expecting her to consent out of a sense of duty. Absolutely. In TRP's view, the "heart of the issue" is almost always that the man is not sexually attractive enough. The standard advice to "why isn't she sleeping with me?" on TRP is "you need to work on yourself and become more attractive until she wants to sleep with you." This is what TRP says men should do first (and usually men have tried more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 12:25 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.The premises that preceed the TL;DR don't seem sound to begin with. Like I said, that doesn't make them immoral, that just makes them (in your view) wrong. Nuance was out the window to begin with; he didn't say "some women," or "most women," he issued a blanket statement that women aren't to be listened to or trusted. The principle of charity applies. Prejudice is not amoral. It is immoral. Thoughts are not immoral, actions are. If Joe is prejudiced against black people but treats the black peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 12:10 AM |
| 3 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.If you can't answer basic question about why you believe what you believe, you're probably wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:52 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.But from a moral standpoint, you lose the high ground when you enter an interaction in bad faith, with the intent of ignoring your significant other's input. Then the wife lost the high ground long ago, sometime around when she unilaterally decided to stop having sex with her husband. That's bad faith (reneging on a key understanding in the relationship) and ignoring her SO's input (obviously he would like to have sex with his wife). We are discussing morality, not practicality. The right thing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:50 PM |
| 3 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.To say it merely criticizes RP without offering a different worldview would be inaccurate ...This is literally what blue pillers say all the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:45 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Yes. How is talking abusive, especially when you're trying to talk someone out of harming you? Say someone breaks into your house, puts a gun to your head, and demands you open you bank account and transfer tens of thousands of dollars to them. In what bizzaro world is it abusive to try and talk them out of that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:44 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: Is altruism/selflessness sexy?If it is, the effect is marginal at best. I can donate a bunch of money to a soup kitchen then go to it and serve the homeless all day, and it's not going to make women want to grab my ass or pull me into the closet for a quickie. Yes, this statement still applies when we're talking about reasonably attractive and reasonably personable men. Another way to look at it: Think of stuff that men who are naturally sexually successful gravitate towards, because that stuff is probably related to what's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:40 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: Is altruism/selflessness sexy?It's attractive from a relationship perspective (RMV), but not sexy (SMV). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:29 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: Is altruism/selflessness sexy?I think you're mistaking "admirable" for "sexy." I obviously don't know how you feel, but I highly doubt that when you see your fiance helping a neighbor repair their eaves you think "god, I want to jump his bones so badly right now." If you feel that way, great, but that's not how most women operate; there's no epidemic of women at soup kitchens pulling men into the closet for a quickie. When women see the behavior you're describing -- benevolently helping from a place of power -- they view it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:28 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.What is abusive about talking to someone, and trying to convince them to take a course of action that doesn't negatively impact your life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:09 PM |
| 4 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.There's a ton of overlap. You see blue pillers complain about negging all the time on here, even though that's much more of a PUA concept than a TRP one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:06 PM |
| 4 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.We're on a debate forum; the whole purpose here is to explain why you think the way you do. "Whatever I guess" is a waste of space. What do you think I'm missing here? Why is it immoral to talk to someone? Why is it immoral to talk to someone when they're on the verge of making a decision that will negatively impact you, without even considering how you'd be harmed? If you don't have an easy answer to these, you should rethink your position. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 11:05 PM |
| 0 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.He knows there's a possibility of getting fired. The slut doesn't. She doesn't have agency, then? She's not adult enough to realize that sleeping with a bunch of guys might not make her happy? Nonsense. She's as aware of her situation as a worker is of his, and she's as responsible for her actions, too. Another difference is that the worker usually has a chance to find another job, the slut's life on the other hand is permanently damaged. Her life is no more damaged than a guy who gets fired. It… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 10:56 PM |
| 5 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.That's the point. She's making a decision that will have a major impact on your life without hardly thinking of you. So how is it immoral to try and talk her into making a different decision? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 10:52 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.That's a great answer if you don't have kids, and don't live together in a house you both finance, and aren't bound by a contract that will in all likelihood require you to lose a significant chunk of money if you walk away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 10:51 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Again: If it's so easy to find examples that don't support your argument, it's highly likely that your heap of bullshit is filled with such examples. If you actually read through your list, you'll find that in addition to things that aren't objectionable at all, you'll find things that one might disagree with but that have decent points here and there, and you'll realize that many of the most objectionable things are obviously intended as crass jokes. You'll also notice that a good chunk are eit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 10:49 PM |
| 3 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.If you think kids can't tell the difference between real love and lies, you are sorely mistaken. If his wife has refused him sex for so long that he's contemplating cheating there isn't "real love" to begin with. And with many dead bedrooms the rest of the relationship is fine; there's just no sex. That's why it's called a dead bedroom instead of a dead marriage. Lying rots HIS core. This is a Just World myth. Everyone lies, and most people feel just fine about it. Think of how many people exagg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 10:38 PM |
| 4 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.This comment responds to nothing I said; you're just vomiting out circlejerk again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 10:32 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Thank you. As a hypothesized elsewhere, the context behind this is 1) an argument that the author doesn't think women are giving you good information: To ensure that females have the necessary power of selection and not vice-versa, nature has made female ovulation hidden... the basic rule of the game is that you are expendable, her selecting you means nothing. It is a scientific lie built into our DNA and it makes women natural tellers of that lie. As men, we love being lied to because for a sec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 10:31 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Exactly -- there's nothing wrong with ignoring what you think is bad information from someone who doesn't share your interests. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 10:21 PM |
| 5 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Any reasonable person on here will quickly realize that blue pillers don't actually read the stuff they're railing against. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 09:16 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Is it immoral to willfully ignore someone's words solely because they work for a competing company? Or because they're on an opposing team? Or because you reasonably think they don't have your best interests at heart? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Link to the full example? With a TL;DR you're cutting out all of the context and nuance by definition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 09:09 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.It's easy to follow red pill advice and be completely moral. It's almost as easy to think of a moral justification for every prominent bit of red pill advice. If I can so easily think of how to morally implement red pill advice, and so easily live morally using red pill advice, the advice itself cannot be immoral. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 09:07 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.If it's such a big conversation with so many different viewpoints represented, how can anyone argue that it's immoral? There's nothing immoral about discussing a wide range of topics, and wide-ranging discussion means that whenever an immoral thought is raised it'll quickly be met with pushback. I get your argument -- that it's tough to pin down what exactly counts as red pill and what doesn't -- but that's tangential to the question of whether TRP is immoral. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 09:00 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: Lindey Ellis explains Feminist Theoryunderstanding the social milieu in which that art exists Say that to a kid and watch the blank stares you get back. Your argument doesn't pass this sniff test. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:58 PM |
| 4 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.I picked a few out at random and quickly found an example that unarguably had nothing remotely objectionable about it. If it's so easy to find examples that don't support your argument, it's highly likely that your heap of bullshit is filled with such examples. What's more is that this shows you clearly aren't reading the nonsense you're posting. You're just regurgitating stuff others are circlejerking about without putting in the effort to make up your own mind. Why the hell would I listen to a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:57 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.So he in turn lies to her and has affairs. After he's done everything in his power to get her to come around. He now has a choice between: Sacrificing his long-term happiness a woman who obviously doesn't care about him, Blowing up the marriage -- which again sacrifices a good deal of his own happiness, and ropes the kids into the mess, too -- simply because he doesn't want to lie to a woman who obviously doesn't care about him, or Lying to a woman who obviously doesn't care about him and having… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:52 PM |
| 6 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.How can I take anything you say seriously when you include stuff as mundane as, say, Exhibit X? OP's brother accidentally got his girlfriend pregnant. She's unemployed and not in school, and he mentions that his religious parents are trying to push them towards marriage. And OP isn't against that -- he just "would like to convince him to wait a few more years to marry her." The best part? The top comment from TRP is telling OP he's wrong and that he should be happy for his brother. What's "immor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:47 PM |
| 3 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Higher levels of dread. Purposely making your SO afraid and insecure to get more [insert behavior here] out of her breaks the golden rule. No one is using higher levels of dread unless their SO broke the golden rule long ago. At that point it isn't taking advantage of someone, it's leveling the playing field. Amused mastery. Condescension is rude. Rude =/= immoral. This prevents any chance of unwanted sex (rape) occurring. There is zero chance of unwanted sex occurring if one follow's TRP's advi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:35 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.a common theme I see on trp Can you give a specific example? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:26 PM |
| 0 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Firing someone is damaging at best and could ruin someone's life at worst. Is it immoral for me to fire someone? If hurting anyone for any reason is considered immoral, then you're basically a slave to other people's needs, wants, and feelings. So the "it damages someone" argument collapses in on itself pretty fast. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:25 PM |
| 4 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.Why not be honest and say, "if you aren't going to sleep with me, we need to figure something out." In addition to the many reasons /u/Scurvemuch laid out below, there's also the idea that the husband in this scenario doesn't just want a wet hole, he wants someone who wants to have sex with him. If he tells her he wants sex, even if it works it becomes impossible for him to know if she actually does want to have sex with him or if she's only putting on a show because she thinks it's necessary to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:19 PM |
| 4 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.She's making a unilateral decision to take tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars out of your pocket. How is talking her out of that immoral? If your boss was going to frame you for insider trading, which would result in severe financial penalties for you, would you consider it immoral to try and talk him out of doing that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: the rise of cohabitationEach one of those -- by itself -- is a plausible reason a woman might live with a man she isn't married to. That's what you asked for, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: Lindey Ellis explains Feminist TheoryInsisting that simple art must have deep, complex meaning is just navel gazing. of course the girl of the group got to be the Rey character. Understanding the difference between boys and girls is a hell of a lot different than thinking about gender enough to even register that there were no girl robots. If you tell kids a story they respond to it based on how entertaining and/or interesting it is, full stop. The vast majority of them aren't going to analyze the representation of minorities and w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 07:49 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: Lindey Ellis explains Feminist TheoryWhy does Hollywood believe these things earn them the most money? Why does Hollywood believe adolescent boys -- the target audience -- doesn't really care about female robots? Probably because adolescent boys who go to see a Transformers movie aren't the type of person who is going to walk out wondering where the strong female robot character was. I don't think this says anything deeper than "boys have simple wants." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 07:42 AM |
| 6 | Women are portrayed as disposable to high status malesIn mafia movies, low status females prostitutes and strippers people are portrayed as disposable. FTFY. In those types of movies a male street-level thug or a male bum or a male random interloper is just as disposable as a female prostitute or female stripper. King Joffrey and American Psycho all disposed of females. Tell that to Ned Stark's severed neck. Both characters killed plenty of men, too; even high-status ones ("Try getting a reservation at Dorsia now you fucking stupid bastard!"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 06:10 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: Lindey Ellis explains Feminist TheoryA few thoughts: Until about 5:30 she seemed to be trying to cram as many buzzwords and vaguely-defined terms in as possible. If there was a point before that, it was poorly made. At about 7:00 she answers the question "Why no female Transformers?" with a quote from one of the writers. In short, he says he thought it would come off as pandering to women ("They just put a pink one in there for girls") and so they decided to nix it. This seems like an entirely reasonable concern from a writer. Iron… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 05:56 AM |
| 2 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?He should have known that pick up artistry doesn't work if you're not attractive. It doesn't work if you're a complete troll, sure, but it's clear this guy was doing it wrong (if he was trying PUA advice at all; he may have just been a weirdo). Literally no school of PUA at any time tells anyone to try to hug and kiss women who refuse to give you their number. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 05:11 AM |
| 3 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?If I attempt to punch someone I can still get arrested, even if I don't make contact. The point is that there was indeed more to the story than simply "unattractive guy gets arrested for having the audacity to talk to women." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 03:55 AM |
| 5 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?He attempted to compliment the students, and asked for telephone numbers to allow him to call and text them at a future time. When he encountered reluctance in providing this information, he became aggressive, attempting to touch, hug, and kiss the victims. There you have it -- he wasn't arrested for talking to women, he was arrested for touching women. Big difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 03:49 AM |
| 5 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?I don't have a link. Then you should think there's about a 90% chance there's more to the story until you do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 01:28 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: the rise of cohabitationPlenty of reasons: She might think he's a good prospect early on and change her mind as the relationship progresses She might be happy being in a relationship, and not even think of marriage (and the higher standards that come with it) until later She might fully realize that she's not wild about marrying him, but he's an OK boyfriend and they live together for financial reasons He might be more invested in the relationship than her, and while she might reluctantly agree to live together (nicer … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 01:26 AM |
| 2 | Benefit of the doubt is given to people you trust and/or respectBut they also claim that they want to convince fence sitters that RP is bad... why don't they try to make good arguments? Because they don't care half as much about convincing fence sitters as they do about reveling in their own superiority. That's the only logical conclusion outside of stupidity or inability, and I don't think most people on here are too stupid to write a coherent argument, or unable to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 10:06 PM |
| 2 | Benefit of the doubt is given to people you trust and/or respectHere's an interesting article/discussion from /r/philosophy that covers similar ground. In short, if you really want to change anyone's mind you should aim to first describe their idea so well it makes them wish "Huh, I wish I'd thought of my own argument in such clear terms." Then you show them why you disagree with them, starting from there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 09:43 PM |
| 1 | Benefit of the doubt is given to people you trust and/or respectI think discussions here would be a lot more productive if we did away with flair colors There's been a bit of support for this in the past. Ultimately the mods have to make a call on it, though, and no matter how clear it is that removing flairs would reduce the tendency for people to jump to conclusions, they seem uninterested in taking significant action to improve the quality of discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 09:34 PM |
| 3 | Benefit of the doubt is given to people you trust and/or respectYou've certainly met someone who's contended every little thing for no good reason, right? "Man, I hate going to Walmart. They're never fully staffed-" "Bullshit. I went there this Thursday and there were at least 20 employees at the registers." "Well yeah, I don't mean never, but I mean they're almost always understaffed. And then the stores just aren't that nice-" "Bullshit. I know a Walmart out in the suburbs that finished construction last month and is pristine. It even has WiFi." "Well yeah… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 09:26 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: the rise of cohabitationWhat has not been happening, in contrast to claims by reds here, is women wanting marriage but not being able to find a good enough man cuz hypergamy blah blah. In fact more and more women are cohabiting instead of getting married. Marriage is being seen as less and less important by each new generation. It's both. There are plenty of reasons cohabitation is on the rise, and "Where have all the good men gone?" is certainly one of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 09:00 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe that men have an overall higher sex drive than women do?It's both stupid and dishonest to pretend that the two concepts are completely different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 08:40 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe that men have an overall higher sex drive than women do?I don't think this is a "both sides are the same" situation at all. When red pillers dispute something like this so strongly, they're usually disputing it on the grounds of "I'm talking about what's useful, not factual." For example, someone may come up with an ironclad study suggesting that 20% of women never ever ever cheat or lie or do anything bad, and pick one guy and are absolute angels to him for the rest of their lives. Blue pillers will point to this and say "See, AWALT isn't true." Red… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 08:13 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What do you guys think about Mystery's "Five Levels of Game?" I would love to hear your thoughts.Of course it's easier just to be naturally good at it, but that's not an option for people who aren't already that. If you have to learn to be good at something it helps to have ideas laid out like this. Imagine you aren't good at basketball and want to get better. You'd have to learn basketball terminology, learn about different plays and offensive philosophies, learn defensive technique, learn drills, watch film, talk about basketball ad nauseum. To an athletic guy who's 6'6", played a year of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 07:48 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe that men have an overall higher sex drive than women do?And yet we have plenty of blue pillers in this very thread trying to dispute these very obvious findings with "well you're not really measuring sex drive..." arguments. You're seeing a glimpse of what it's like to be a red piller on here. People will oppose everything you put out there, even when to any reasonable person it's clear as day, because they're dogmatically opposed to anything and everything TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 07:43 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe that men have an overall higher sex drive than women do?Some intellectual honesty is important here. Which is exactly why it's ridiculous to claim "that doesn't tell us anything about their actual sex drive." It's laughable to suggest that one's willingness to have casual sex is completely unrelated to one's sex drive. I know you're a troll, but this is particularly low effort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 11:08 AM |
| 2 | Do you believe that men have an overall higher sex drive than women do?Obviously the two concepts are closely linked. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 10:46 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What do you guys think about Mystery's "Five Levels of Game?" I would love to hear your thoughts.I think you're mistaking organization and systematization for effort. You're seeing labels and terms and paragraphs and thinking it's a ton of work, when it's really doing exactly what you're suggesting -- finding the easiest way to get laid with the women you want. Having notes and ideas (communicated in shorthand or jargon) makes that process easier, not harder. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 10:24 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What do you guys think about Mystery's "Five Levels of Game?" I would love to hear your thoughts.How do you look at school and not say "fuck that." This course, that course, sines, cosines, history, English, finance. I'm sure you can make it work, but how exhausting, and then what? It's just money ffs When people want something (sex, money) it's pretty natural for them to collect and organize knowledge about how to get it. If you don't want what they want -- maybe you already have it -- that's great, I'm happy for you. But it's silly to fault them for making more than "minimal effort" to ac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 09:09 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What do you guys think about Mystery's "Five Levels of Game?" I would love to hear your thoughts.Your argument boils down to: I don't recognize that you have a problem You're an idiot for not having success using the impossibly vague advice I'm giving you (that you've certainly already tried) Here, let me insult you some, both backhandedly and overtly Guys who have trouble with women hear this stuff all the time. It doesn't really qualify as "advice," because the person giving it clearly doesn't understand the issue (they don't think it even exists) and obviously doesn't give a damn if what… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 08:43 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What do you guys think about Mystery's "Five Levels of Game?" I would love to hear your thoughts.see a therapist instead of bitching and moaning stop being a victim or a nice guy piece of shit Is it any surprise TRP exists when this is the type of garbage guys hear when they look for help? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 08:21 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What do you guys think about Mystery's "Five Levels of Game?" I would love to hear your thoughts.Do you have any PUAs or PUA books that you recommend? Where are the best places to approach women when it comes to day-game and isn't it very low odds that you can get a date in this context? I'll refer you to /r/theredpill for these two. Why are they not "ideal targets?" If they're open to casual sex, their standards go way up -- that doesn't make it impossible, but it makes it harder. If they're not open to casual sex you have to change their mind, which is also harder. Then there's the idea t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 08:17 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What do you guys think about Mystery's "Five Levels of Game?" I would love to hear your thoughts.a one night stand isn't hard to find, and turning that into a relationship isn't hard either For a typical man that's nonsense. just go to places with likeminded ppl and have fun. Blue pillers, take note -- this is what TRP talks about when it says guys are told to "just be yourself" or "just put yourself out there" and similar platitudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 07:56 AM |
| 5 | Do you believe that men have an overall higher sex drive than women do?Saving this for next time some idiot wanders in here with a "But where's the science behind the red pill?? Huh? HUH??" post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 07:21 AM |
| 5 | Do you believe that men have an overall higher sex drive than women do?there's probably enough women that have high sex drives that they cannot be considered outliers. Look at the numbers of women who agreed to casual sex with a stranger. 0% if the man is average, and just 3% if he's highly attractive. 3% -- and only if the guy is fantastic looking -- is an outlier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 07:15 AM |
| 0 | Q4RP: What do you guys think about Mystery's "Five Levels of Game?" I would love to hear your thoughts.How is that unnecessary? It'd be ridiculous to type out "demonstration of higher value" a dozen times instead of abbreviating it to "DHV." Any group of any size that talks about anything remotely specialized develops jargon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 07:08 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What do you guys think about Mystery's "Five Levels of Game?" I would love to hear your thoughts.While there are plenty of good tactics here, the overall strategy -- meeting women at bars with the goal of a ONS -- is questionable on at least three grounds. Many women who go to bars and are open to the possibility of a ONS aren't ideal targets for plenty of obvious reasons. Meeting a woman at a bar at 10:00 and sleeping with her that night is pretty damn difficult and doesn't play to the strengths of most guys. Even if you're successful at this type of interaction, you still face an uphill b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 07:06 AM |
| 3 | Q4RP: What Are Women Supposed To DoTRP does not seem to grasp that what they suggest as a solution Where is TRP suggesting any solution for women? It's a sub for men's sexual strategy. You're mistaking idle complaints for advice. They literally do not see that one leads to the other. That makes no sense, considering the whole point of TRP advice is to make oneself a high-value man; the type of guy women don't have to lower their standards to like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Why take away women's right to vote and not just ban the left?If so many people supported it it'd have more than 30 cumulative upvotes. Aren't you sick of beating this dead horse? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 10:29 PM |
| 1 | Why take away women's right to vote and not just ban the left?That's a bit more reasonable, but it's still silly to say politicians have no power and corporations are the only ones with actual power. Politicians have plenty of power; that's why corporations pay so much to fund competing politicians. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 10:28 PM |
| 3 | Q4RP: What Are Women Supposed To Do"wanting two completely different realities." That's exactly what "wanting everything" means. You want the widget to have every feature under the sun, but you want it to be cheap. You want it to be indestructible, but you want it to be light and compact. You don't want to pay a retail markup, but you want it to be available immediately. What you're describing isn't anything out of the ordinary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Why take away women's right to vote and not just ban the left?Who gives a shit about a post that could barely get to +30. Here's what it looks like when TRP actually supports something -- vote totals around +600, +700, or even +800. This is nothing more than the typical blue pill strategy of picking out dumb shit on TRP that pops up and doesn't get deleted, and then pretending that's what TRP is focused on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 10:17 PM |
| 0 | Why take away women's right to vote and not just ban the left?Suggesting that both parties are essentially the same is pretty dumb in light of the last eight or so months. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 10:14 PM |
| 4 | Q4RP: What Are Women Supposed To DoAnyone who complains about people wanting everything has never worked with customers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 10:08 PM |
| 1 | CMV: When you take away the PUA/seduction angle from /r/theredpill, it's just another reddit hangout for "angry reactionary male" types that has been co-opted by the alt-right. An analysis using subreddit algebra bears this out.If he's so obviously a troll, why isn't he banned? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 10:01 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Do you not know any men who are in beautiful, emotionally intimate, deep LTRs with beautiful women that are successful LTRs based on companionship and love? I know LOTS of examples from people I know, old and young. Does this not disprove "AWALT" and disprove the notion of "Oneitis?"AWALT is not a literal, absolute statement, even if "all" is included. It's a heuristic, much like "all guns are loaded." That phrase doesn't literally mean absolutely all guns are loaded 100% of the time; it means if you act as if they are you'll be better than if you don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 08:07 PM |
| 1 | Pinpointing the fall of RomeArmchair historians are waaaaaaaaaay off topic here. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/06/17 07:31 AM |
| 4 | [Mod] Make the community worth a fuck by not acting like a cunt.The are times to be an asshole, but asshole should not be your default setting. If you can handle a situation effectively without being an asshole that is likely your best route. As the OP puts it, life "is not a battleground where 'whoever speaks the most edgy shit wins.'" | /r/TheRedPill | 29/06/17 07:27 AM |
| 2 | [Mod] Make the community worth a fuck by not acting like a cunt.then the wise sage calls said pussy a beta bitch phaggot..... you are against such posturing? Yeah, because 99% of the time that conversation is useless to everyone involved. The person getting ripped on isn't likely to take advice from someone they perceive as an asshole, and the person doing the ripping is just indulging their own desire to feel superior to someone. Try that conversation out with a stranger at a bar; you'll get punched. What's infinitely more productive is communicating in a w… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/06/17 07:16 AM |
| 3 | [Mod] Make the community worth a fuck by not acting like a cunt.let me take the chance to also trigger you by shitting down your throat Ironic that you write this in this of all threads. We encourage you to keep it real, this isn't a "safe space" for the weak, but at the same time it is not a battleground where "whoever speaks the most edgy shit wins"... When you feel the need to tell someone how pathetic they probably are and how awesome you are in comparison, nobody learns anything. All you do is lower the signal and increase the noise. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/06/17 06:57 AM |
| 2 | [Mod] Make the community worth a fuck by not acting like a cunt.While you're right that rhetoric is necessary to effectively communicate with a large group, if your speech doesn't rely on logic all you're doing is facilitating the masses' mental masturbation. Rhetoric devoid of logic (or that involves minimal logic) is just empty circlejerking. If you actually want to communicate something worthwhile -- and that's the object here -- your rhetoric has to serve your logic, not the other way around. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/06/17 06:55 AM |
| 8 | [Mod] Make the community worth a fuck by not acting like a cunt.Why is this the dog whistle for stupid, useless arguments on TRP? It's often used as a catch-all for "anything I don't like about modernity." It's a poor term because -- as /u/VegasSaint9 points out -- there are an awful lot of benefits globalism brings that no one in their right mind is giving up anytime soon. It's like bitching about the "damn gubmint" while sitting comfortably in your home because it was built according to a government-mandated fire code, is handy to all sorts of amenities be… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/06/17 06:51 AM |
| 4 | Some tips on approachingHe's either trolling, lost, or both. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/06/17 06:39 AM |
| 2 | CMV: When you take away the PUA/seduction angle from /r/theredpill, it's just another reddit hangout for "angry reactionary male" types that has been co-opted by the alt-right. An analysis using subreddit algebra bears this out.Seems like eating your cake and trying to have it, too. Either TRP has significant influence on society and is a significant problem or it has marginal influence on society and is a marginal problem. It makes no sense to claim that something has only marginal influence, yet is a significant problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 04:26 AM |
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