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| 3 | Tired of people conflating Women with the Left and Men with the RightIt's disheartening because certainly for most of its history, the American) and Western European Left was very much a straight white 'labouring blokes only' game. (maybe less so the American cos of resistance to Jim Crow and such, but certainly the EuroLeft) Of course: it was a labour movement. Along came critical theory (and feminism, obviously, but heavily taking notes from critical theory) to challenge that and give the intellectuals, the nerds, the women and gay men a spot. And that was prob… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/26 03:01 PM |
| 1 | The r/comics subreddit is moderated by radical feminists who claim that misandry only exists in theory, as does racism towards white people. It got me banned.Pizzacake makes funny comics but anybody who's dependent on audience engagement for income will say whatever in order to maintain their customer base. And that's frankly most of the social media influencers by definition. Can't trust most high profile users. Dead internet theory. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/26 11:45 AM |
| 8 | Leaving autism subs due to misandry...Oh funny/weird that this comes up while I'm thinking about the topic. Yeah there's a big tension between the disability rights angle of anti-ableism and standard feminist views on aggrieved entitlement and weaponised incompetency. I think these are insurmountable at the theoretical level (will always be in conflict) and we just have to choose our friends and partners wisely otherwise | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/26 11:00 AM |
| 1 | Do any of you guys have experiences in gender activist spaces with OCDHi, GAD-OCD here, feel free to DM (though I'm not on Reddit too much) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/25 05:07 AM |
| 1 | Unpopular opinion, recently, this sub discusses culture and the language of the discourse more than the actual issues billions of men face.Mostly echoing other comments: * I don't entirely agree that this sub is significantly avoiding data analysis, although agree that any MRA space is prone to reactivity * I agree that it's a disservice to be entirely reactive * Does awareness raising do much good if the interpretations of the data are rejected on ideological grounds anyway? We're in this mess because people think that interpretating data in ways which don't fit orthodox readings is a slippery slope to supporting hyper-traditional… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/25 01:47 AM |
| 2 | What is your opinion on the video? (It seems to not be pulling in as much views as she'd usually get.).Yeah, there's a Thing in a lot of the 'neurodivergent' spaces that it's lower support needs later-dx women hogging the conversation rn. I think this is inevitable as we have the surge of autism awareness for women, as it is true that they were ignored for a while by doctors/psych.s/society, and I think that this progress is good for them. But there will always be an uncomfortable tension between the facts that a) social aptitude and emotional intelligence is a significant element in what turns w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/25 05:04 AM |
| 3 | How the right is actually hurting men more than the left.>if true [...] it goes to show that the left has forgotten that children are at the center of intersexual relationship. huh? How does it? If the swing is against anti-natalism, then it's towards prioritising children...children remain a non-partisan commonplace among left and right. I think you confuse girlboss types (as mentioned) with left in general. > Has the left figured out what is a woman yet? I don't think alienating transwomen is a good way to reach equality, they have or can develop a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/25 04:44 AM |
| 1 | How the right is actually hurting men more than the left.I don't think this is true, in recent times there's been a HUGE swing on the left against antinatalism on radfem or girlboss grounds and back to an emphasis on family and parenting for everyone. I don't think that's bad, it's just that they rampantly encourage resentment of your husband and the Awful Wedded Life trope | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/25 04:28 AM |
| 1 | How the right is actually hurting men more than the left.Some people are class reductionists. Some are Warren Farrell style 'second wave liberal' feminists, and unfortunately this leads to a middle-class bias, but rhetorically speaking it's maybe the most palatable to normies (at least Boomers) Others are intersectionalists who see that intersectional feminism has been hypocritical. A few people are classical liberals or moderate libertarians. Some are bad actors stirring the pot. Some (possibly most) are refugees from MensLib. Myself I have no issue … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/25 04:22 AM |
| 1 | How the right is actually hurting men more than the left.(tried to leave a comment but it said 'unable to post', anyone know why that might be?) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/25 04:14 AM |
| 1 | NPR Publishes Article about the Lifespan Gap on Facebook, Wall to Wall Misandry Ensues in Comments SectionI think that's how feminists see it. I'm still somewhat motivated by the belief of hypergamy, although try not to let it control me the way I used to (my partner dislikes it as an example of AWALT) I think in the current climate, a lot of women (people) are going into politics looking for allies, and coleaders--and failing that strong, stable, reliable fathers--of which ironically this involves reinforcement of hegemonic masculinity. So they have low tolerance for men outside of that bracket. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/02/25 02:37 PM |
| 7 | NPR Publishes Article about the Lifespan Gap on Facebook, Wall to Wall Misandry Ensues in Comments SectionA lot of women, in America at least, seem to be deeply uncomfortable and dissatisfied with the way in which their partner or men as a whole behave, even though that strikes me mostly as a mixture of general human imperfection and in many cases the direct result of being beaten down by capitalistic pressures. I won't say it's privilege, as it's instinctually frightening, which might be the crux of it--it's called parental investment for a reason--but it's an obstacle to equality that a man loses … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/02/25 03:57 AM |
| 1 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightThis is true, but I think that it's really about what we discuss, our content, and not just our form, despite what is said: owing to gynocentrism, etc. I've been banned as a sealion from most feminist pages; they're fairly good at telling who's an MRA or not | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/02/25 05:28 AM |
| 1 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightThat's a really good way to put it, and that's partially because I've forgotten a lot, partly because it's been more philosophically and psychologically inclined than grounded in the hard data, and partially cos I'm trying to defend the movement at a global level (MRM qua Manosphere, is it for or against redpill, etc.) given her ignorance of local issues (men's rights/issues stats). It's not just about the label but about the communities I associate with or support. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/02/25 05:25 AM |
| 1 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightI know, as I've also read Bates (Everyday Sexism many years ago--not Men Who Hate Women, as I might have featured in it lol) but our current dynamic and her lived experience makes this sort of hand to challenge | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/02/25 05:22 AM |
| 1 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightIME progressives read brocialist as a dogwhistle too | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/02/25 05:17 AM |
| 2 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightI think you're right. I'm finding it super hard. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/02/25 05:16 AM |
| 1 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightThanks. I discuss this problem with my therapist and yeah, they do think I have a people pleasing and masking problem which means I don't sit with my feelings to own my truth enough. In general this ability flies out of the window when I spend too much time absorbing perspectives. I feel a bit defensive when hearing people here suggest that I should ditch my friend to free myself as an activist. This is my best friend of nearly 2 decades, ffs. I feel a bit shitty to have talked about them howeve… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/02/25 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightWell, they don't think it has to be, but they think the Manosphere and MRM is more right wing than not, and the only left wing elements of MRA they've seen are from Men's Lib. if that makes sense | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/25 07:13 AM |
| 3 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightYou're probably right! I've gone by it from time to time. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/25 07:11 AM |
| 1 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightIt really is. At the same time I guess it's natural when feeling threatened, and they're motivated first and foremost by the fear of rising fascism from MAGA, Christian nationalists etc. I imagine they've had a lot of exposure to transphobic elements like tradcon red pill (even PUA can be quite essentialist) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/25 07:10 AM |
| 3 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?I read this going in angry and contemptuous, I carried on and just started feeling pity and even a little respect for her. This is a young woman who's slowly realising that she's been sold an enormous consumerist lie about love and that true love is indeed much more like an erotic friendship than a dopamine saturated, vanity-fuelled validation of one's desirability. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/24 06:38 AM |
| 10 | Have you tried talking to a therapist about these struggles? What came of it?My therapist, a fellow Millennial woman, is surprisingly sympathetic, but also she isn't on social media and seems confused when I share trends. So I think that is part of it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/24 05:28 AM |
| 11 | Society still has a weird reaction towards men that are introverted, serious, or aloof. Despite being very critical of men that are the opposite.I get your general point but I'm not sure if Sasuke is the best example. He's one of the iconic 2000s bishonen archetypes and beloved by teenage girls and was at least *meant* to be admired by boys for being stereotypically masculine: strong, stoic, competent, reserved, etc. The idea is that the girls are meant to be attracted to his mysterious indifference. I am incredibly surprised if the current generation of fans see that trope and *expect* him to be like Naruto. Not to mention the whole nee… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 03:51 AM |
| 3 | Man Bear MegathreadWell, the most extreme example I've seen is basically someone assuming that if they meet a man in the woods, he's a creepy sex-pest; but if they meet a woman in the woods, they're in for fun and consensual sexytimes. So they're demonising not only men who *are* interested, but male-bodied people on the assumption that males are sex-obsessed--while immediately jumping to horny objectification of sapphic fantasies in the same scenario. There is a curious assumption that women and AFABs are more re… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 03:27 AM |
| 3 | Do you feel safe moving about the world?I mean the pressure exists, the entire thought exercise presumes that all men are masculine presenting, at least somewhat strong and large, emotionally detached risk takers who chase status, competence hierarchies and are sex obsessed. It's not just a misandrist but a transphobic thought exercise because it essentialises male bodies as an indicator of violent behaviour lol I've been beaten up by a man, threatened by multiple (one late last year before a gig, actually) and have bad anxiety. I fee… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Man Bear MegathreadAnother angle to the standard empathy gap now. Don't @ me with hypergamy or laws of attraction stuff (I'm ex-redpill and have no use to go back to that headspace completely) but I'm trying to reconcile the results of this poll with the fact that pop culture broadly speaking these days accommodates both the 'male' *and* 'female' (straight and queer) gaze. This generation is one of the most sexually and romantically conservative (in the sense that hookup culture's on the decline and marriage and c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/24 02:31 AM |
| 19 | Man Bear MegathreadYes; in fact it's somewhat sexist to assume that women (in any given random statistical sample as per the survey requirements) are any less capable of violence or ulterior motive. They've really ran with the single 'more men feel entitled to sex' point. It's a shame that Baby Reindeer didn't come out a few weeks earlier, so more people could challenge their bias. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 02:54 AM |
| 31 | Man Bear MegathreadThe assumption that men are predisposed to a certain a priori aggressive and predatorial nature either through genes or socialisation, is a negative stereotype responsible in no small part for a significant proportion of men's issues from the mental health crisis, loneliness and friendship crisis, to the under-reporting of male victims of domestic and sexual violence, parental alienation, lack of men in the education and care sector/the general apprehensiveness towards men as caregivers, and mor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 02:48 AM |
| 23 | Man Bear MegathreadThat can't be the greater point because MeToo has already happened and most of us were raised with awareness of what constitutes sexual harassment years before that. A lot of us are ex-feminists (or feminist adjacent despite everything because of some saviour and Catholic guilt complex). A lot of us have been considering global issues and being overly sensitive when our peers in high school were enjoying bullying us for being nerdy. I was exporing feminist and social justice themes since my teen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 02:23 AM |
| 2 | What is happening to this sub?my thoughts too, as somebody who hasn't followed here for a good year or 2 on the reg but knew it well. I'm wondering if they mean 'a man from earth', one of the former mods who was quite emphatically androcentric and antifeminist? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/02/24 05:29 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone noticed men being held to a higher standard when it comes to consumer culture?Whether or not hypergamy is real, feminism states something along the lines of "society expects women to have more self-control than men because patriarchy, boys will be boys" (used to refer to rape culture but now extends to everything related to men and impulsivity). So it follows that people who subscribe to this view--and apply it in a casual, rather than strictly sociological manner--will a priori expect men to demonstrate higher self-control for them to perceive it as average. And as for t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/22 03:43 AM |
| 2 | Q4M: What is better to you, being given a chance or not wasting your time?Isn't most dating based off giving someone a chance? I.e. . some attraction but uncertainty whether it will work out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/21 06:38 PM |
| 2 | "Dont be friends with girls"It's terrible advice in general to not be friends with women so as to be laid quicker. Yeah, flirting and sexual/romantic chemistry is way different to platonic friendship, which is different to professionalism and small talk with strangers--but guys who struggle with basic social interactions that aren't obliged on another's end (i.e. professionalism) would have no chance with flirting anyway | /r/seduction | 30/07/21 11:55 PM |
| 1 | Women want to be valued for more than sex, but they are unwilling to do things that make them valued for more than sexFirst of all, sorry to hear about your insomnia. I have sleeping problems too, which only seem to have been resolved through the most fucked up sleeping pattern. (Effectively nocturnal) Secondly, I disagree with the claim that women's socioeconomic, academic, intellectual and vocational contributions bring nothing to a relationship. I think a lot of guys disagree fwiw. I'm not sure what OP is getting at here; if he's claiming that "women are only valuable based off of how they look and their age… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/21 03:17 PM |
| 4 | It would be a lot more productive if instead of just saying all men suck, women were more actively validating men who do try to improveYou're missing the part where gynocentrists think that men improving would be men doing the bare minimum as a citizen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/21 02:53 PM |
| 1 | The absence of Redpill in my life has just led me with this weird combination of low self esteem and perfectionism which is 'good feminist praxis'Thanks. I don't know how to explain it, it's like some part of my brain says "codependency is good; values, boundaries, needs, preferences, dealbreakers is sexist." (but only for me) I'm not sure whether this is a "men need to up their game" thing or just me holding myself to an irrationally higher standard than everyone else. As somebody else said I probably need a therapist but I have trust issues on the topic about it. Also, sorry, even this comment I just wrote isn't particularly um...emotio… | /r/ExRedPill | 16/07/21 12:31 AM |
| 1 | The absence of Redpill in my life has just led me with this weird combination of low self esteem and perfectionism which is 'good feminist praxis'Thanks. Honestly it's hard for me to emotionally balance everything as I don't feel that the Twitter level discourse is sending me any message except "your co-dependent behaviour is good and the only morally acceptable way to act." My mind freezes up in a way it didn't this time last year, and 2 years ago; I just censor myself. A woman could flake, rant, yawn, pick her nose, look at her phone, whatever and I couldn't call her out right now without feeling bad. Basically I have few to no boundari… | /r/ExRedPill | 16/07/21 12:05 AM |
| 1 | The absence of Redpill in my life has just led me with this weird combination of low self esteem and perfectionism which is 'good feminist praxis'If it doesn't involve sacrifice it's not being a feminist ally in a patriarchy, surely? | /r/ExRedPill | 16/07/21 12:02 AM |
| 1 | The absence of Redpill in my life has just led me with this weird combination of low self esteem and perfectionism which is 'good feminist praxis'Duty both as an Ally and as a virtue ethicist. Honestly not sure. Sadly I probably need them more than they need me. So it always is. | /r/ExRedPill | 10/07/21 11:41 PM |
| 1 | The absence of Redpill in my life has just led me with this weird combination of low self esteem and perfectionism which is 'good feminist praxis'I have a duty to self-sacrifice but that's a time and energy investment which means...losing out, on basic experiences | /r/ExRedPill | 10/07/21 10:36 PM |
| 1 | The absence of Redpill in my life has just led me with this weird combination of low self esteem and perfectionism which is 'good feminist praxis'I understand you. That's my frustration, I can't do both. I'm a bad ally (read: awful man) if I put myself before The Cause and I'm inevitably going to be hurt when self-sacrificing for the cause means I lack the power or status to be worth associating with. And IME this isn't just no sex it's that people take me for granted then move on with their lives. | /r/ExRedPill | 10/07/21 08:59 PM |
| 1 | The absence of Redpill in my life has just led me with this weird combination of low self esteem and perfectionism which is 'good feminist praxis'Mmmm that'd be flattering, bu I'm too ugly for it to be 'takes care of himself'. And I've been very inconsistent with TRP. I think they mean more like "gay best friend" or something. | /r/ExRedPill | 10/07/21 04:14 PM |
| 2 | Why is hate against men viewed as okay?(Descriptive not prescriptive) The most tangible and visible nexus of power is politicians and CEOs, mostly rich, straight white men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/21 11:41 PM |
| 4 | A friendly reminder.Yeah this is completely revisionist, I'm afraid. Rigid gender roles and hierarchical, militaristic, homophobic culture was one of the cornerstones for Nazi Germany's social structure. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/06/21 01:28 PM |
| 4 | I am looking for an evidence that feminism is really misandric and against equalityAll of this, tbh, at this point I try to limit even engaging in 'debate'; I'll call out sexists when I see it, or abusers too, but otherwise it's pointless | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/06/21 12:27 AM |
| 1 | Are we the main Men's Rights subreddit now? If that's the case, we need to be careful.Shadow banned from all of Reddit? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/21 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Are we the main Men's Rights subreddit now? If that's the case, we need to be careful.There are MRAs there even, not many but some. The admins however are either feminist or allies scared of saying anything out of line. That is compounded, however, by the fact that allowing things to go 'out of line' means opening the floodgates to redpill rage. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/21 02:10 PM |
| 2 | Are we the main Men's Rights subreddit now? If that's the case, we need to be careful.> there are more post capitalist types Can you expand on this please? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/21 02:01 PM |
| 1 | I just had an epiphanyTRP is aggressively reactionary antifeminism which tries to argue that the suffrage movement was ultimately an aberration of natural law, that's why. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 02:50 AM |
| 3 | "self examination", "introspection" and why feminist approaches to men's issues don't work.Yeah, I know about red pill rage and have wrote about it before today. The thing is the grieving process would be significantly shortened imho if we took a materialist approach, and saw the inter-relationship between male disposability, gynocentrism and class conflict | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/21 09:29 PM |
| 2 | "self examination", "introspection" and why feminist approaches to men's issues don't work.Who was this comment made by? I do agree that the community does a shit-ton of navel gazing about how what they're doing is or could be problematic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/21 09:28 PM |
| 1 | "self examination", "introspection" and why feminist approaches to men's issues don't work.I agree with you. IF we think that men generally throw each other under the bus and deny their problems when things are going well in order to maintain their social status, then *ofc* most men who join men's rights groups are going to be depressed and angry. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/21 08:14 PM |
| 1 | We need a good discussion about nature vs. nurture, not just occasionally as a subthread in other discussions.What's the worst possible outcome of a gender-blind, Lysenkoist approach, from a materialist perspective? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/05/21 10:35 PM |
| 0 | (repost since it's been a while) An old diatribe from 4chan on "social justice types". (slightly edited)That wasn't really a truism not too long ago, though; we take for granted today's ideas as common sense for all time. I agree that the way it's used generally is limited, but I feel that sociology would be smarter than just approaching from the conflict theory perspective. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/21 10:13 PM |
| 1 | (repost since it's been a while) An old diatribe from 4chan on "social justice types". (slightly edited)So if I understand you, you feel that the tool of regarding how dual or plural oppressions can impact someone can't be salvaged. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/21 10:12 PM |
| 4 | (repost since it's been a while) An old diatribe from 4chan on "social justice types". (slightly edited)We need to be able to critique IdPol (specifically anti-men expressions of feminism) without descending into reactionary politics. Respectfully of late I've seen posts *with the same 4chan energy" as the above; renouncing critical theory as woke BS, appealing to the 'soft bigotry of low expectations' (a right wing dogwhistle for cutting safety nets) and heralding Hayek as a champion of the left (the man who inspired both Thatcher and Pinochet.) We are not stupidpol, we ought to retain our own di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/21 04:05 PM |
| 8 | Why mental health is so important: "The Boy Crisis" | Philip Zimbardo | TEDxRawaRiverSalonI have conflicting feelings about Zimbardo. This is great. At the same time from what I know, he very much pushes the "why are our boys refusing to grow up" porn-and-videogames-bad narrative in his self-help. I could be wrong though! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/21 02:44 PM |
| 2 | Is the manosphere inflating young men’s future capabilities?2 things going on here: As part of its general right wing ideology, championing American Dream syndrome. As part of antifeminist praxis, in contrast to feminist signalling for men to be humble and content with being medicore, deliberately fostering confidence running on conceit The men who buy into it are irrelevant except to the extent that they prove the virtue of the ideology of hierarchy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 05:43 AM |
| 2 | LPT For Men: Get a cat.I used to have a cat, but I can't have any pets in a 3rd storey flat :/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/21 10:31 PM |
| 5 | Anyone else notice that a feminist's definition of a man doing the 'bare minimum' is often far more than a man doing the actual bare minimum?There's a problem for codependents where social justice allyship scratches the 'helping' itch they desperately want to scratch. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/21 10:21 PM |
| 1 | Possibly off-topic, but this is the first ally to working class men's issues on Breadtube I've found who's prepared to challenge liberal feminism. (Besides early Vaush) Amazing videoLOL! I missed a disturbing amount of antiSJWTube's heyday, for various reasons. Also yeah I realised about a week after posting this that Angie's misrepresenting the degree of her 'class reductivism' here :/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/04/21 03:22 AM |
| 1 | Am I the only one who is bored, or even irritated by, the vast majority of popular romance media in western culture?Not at all, it was one of my major rant points during my MGTOW phase (c. 2016-8) however all it did was lead me deeper into red pill rage. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/21 03:30 PM |
| 1 | Possibly off-topic, but this is the first ally to working class men's issues on Breadtube I've found who's prepared to challenge liberal feminism. (Besides early Vaush) Amazing videoI'm responding to the fact that while THIS Youtube video is solid, she's 'mask off' about her current views on a lot of the Left on Twitter, which are basically identical to conservatives if not the far right that it's full of "degenerates". I knew the Dirtbag Left were edgy, but this is no different to my antiSJWTube 'victims are cringe' days | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/21 12:27 AM |
| 1 | Possibly off-topic, but this is the first ally to working class men's issues on Breadtube I've found who's prepared to challenge liberal feminism. (Besides early Vaush) Amazing videoHi, thanks for your thoughts. At first, I believed that this was a critique of woke capitalism and the bourgeois co-opting of leftist causes, which I honestly do think is a very important argument. Unfortunately it seems you're right that she was treating liberals as a whole as the SJW and engages in a very heavy class reductionism. There's a long history of this haunting the Left. I had assumed that she was not a full on reactionary socialist and hoped that her other videos would discuss some o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/21 09:51 PM |
| 1 | Possibly off-topic, but this is the first ally to working class men's issues on Breadtube I've found who's prepared to challenge liberal feminism. (Besides early Vaush) Amazing videoUPDATE: Alas yet another class-first Breadtuber turns out to be a reactionary socialist with shitty right wing hot takes that belong on r/stupidpol. Not for me. I had high hopes, though | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/04/21 08:48 PM |
| 2 | Anyone else notice how toxic so many male feminists are?No, I get you. Sometimes I feel deeply informed by feminist theory, while rejecting other areas. I learned about anti-sexism from them long before I went down the red pill rabbit hole | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/21 03:25 AM |
| 1 | LWMA LoungeHaha totally! Especially Reddit given its target demographic of students. It's nice though, IRL people just complain and eventually say "well gotta get on with life anyway", here we try to solve it | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/04/21 01:49 AM |
| 2 | LWMA LoungeThanks, friend. Def tried the all nighter one before, although I find that very hard. Staying outside a long time is a good idea. One of my pitfalls is that my mealtimes are *so* late, that I'd effectively have to skip meals to correct it (and I'm already skinny) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/21 01:56 AM |
| 8 | Possibly off-topic, but this is the first ally to working class men's issues on Breadtube I've found who's prepared to challenge liberal feminism. (Besides early Vaush) Amazing videoLATEST EDIT: PLEASE FRIENDS, do not fall for reactionary socialism. Class-first is fine. Androcentric is fine. Reactionary socialism is dangerous. ____________ Thought it'd be interesting to discuss this video. It discusses how social justice got co-opted by neoliberalism (part of it explicitly discusses when socialist feminists brought patriarchy in to challenge 'class reductionists') as well as why Joker was so popular and resonated with so many people from marginalised backgrounds which neoli… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/04/21 02:51 AM |
| 1 | TW - Male SuicideThank you very much for this. I've shared to my friends on other platforms, if that's OK. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/21 08:15 PM |
| 3 | I've noticed that open discussion of male attractiveness comes mainly from the LGBT community. I feel like it's fine for guys to be frustrated at that limited scope.Gay Lib WAS the progressive MRM until radfems coopted LGBT and said there was a misogyny problem in it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/21 04:46 PM |
| 5 | LWMA LoungeAnybodygot tips on correcting a fucked up sleep pattern? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/21 04:44 PM |
| 3 | I’m turning 26 today as a virgin. So what?Happy birthday, friend! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/21 12:28 PM |
| 1 | Hidden Propagators of Harmful Gender NormsThis is solid but honestly it's redpill 101. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/04/21 02:36 AM |
| 1 | The Guardian is a rag.He was sacked, I think :/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/21 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Why there's empathy for women and "Man Up" for menAnything about the agency gap will always get an upvote from me. Good find. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/04/21 03:03 AM |
| 1 | I don't want to get stuck in my inferiority complex, but the alternative to TRP doesn't really show equality but to male inferiorityThank you. So for me mainstream feminism can be really upsetting when talking about 'mediocre white men' being everywhere because of my disability. I haven't even got close to the 'potential' to be a fuckboy, independent living is a struggle. | /r/ExRedPill | 11/04/21 11:49 PM |
| 5 | The Guardian is a rag.Ally Fogg was the closest the centre left will ever give us to an MRA, and he would balk at that label | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/04/21 11:46 PM |
| 3 | I don't want to get stuck in my inferiority complex, but the alternative to TRP doesn't really show equality but to male inferiorityThanks for this. I'm not sure why my brain does this thing with stats. I really want to argue with you lol i.e. "but if the majority are X then surely it's probably I'm within that data set" I know it'd be toxic though so trying not to | /r/ExRedPill | 10/04/21 02:02 AM |
| 2 | Does the demonization of men in society contribute to gender dysphoria?Yes, with the caveat that some antifeminists would try and frame all MTFs as victims of feminism rather than experiencing genuine gender dysphoria. It's a significant minority | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/21 07:17 PM |
| 2 | Slightly different take on the patriarchyYou're describing Karen Straughan's neoteny theory for gynocentrism+male disposability, as well as moral typecasting bias. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/21 01:30 AM |
| 4 | Well, r/feminismuncensored didn't really work out did it?The tendency to confuse free speech with being a dick is sort of endemic to online sceptic culture I'm afraid. That said I agree with LL below that the feminists there weren't at all charitable either. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/04/21 01:22 AM |
| 2 | Well, r/feminismuncensored didn't really work out did it?All the MRAs got banned for the cleanup and shut down. Tbh all this has confirmed to me is that it's not worth engaging with most Extremely Online feminists, and that the more egalitarian feminists probably don't spend much time in political echo chambers | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/21 07:48 PM |
| 3 | Well, r/feminismuncensored didn't really work out did it?To be fair there was.one guy in there representing MRM who was an aggressive douche | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/21 06:06 PM |
| 2 | Well, r/feminismuncensored didn't really work out did it?Yeah I got banned lol | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/21 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Men's issues from an egalitarian position are the least reactionary of feminist issuesAhh gotcha gotcha | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/21 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Patriarchy theory conditions men to accept abuse from women and to view themselves as less important than womenYeah I agree with progressivesthat it's shitty when victims are appropriated for political capital (not that progressives do not also do this), but it's disgusting when I see *actual* victims having to qualify themselves. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/21 11:11 PM |
| 1 | Can we talk about this? I’m kinda sick of seeing it.Are those apps/plug-ins, how do we get them? I've heard them referenced but I've never found how to consistently see it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/21 11:04 PM |
| 2 | Can we talk about this? I’m kinda sick of seeing it.Yeah, why is Reddit particularly bad for echo-chambers? I know this group has a bias, but I'm glad it's not a circlejerk. Whereas most MRA-MGTOW spaces are which makes it easy for progressives to laugh at and dismiss | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/21 10:55 PM |
| 3 | Men's issues from an egalitarian position are the least reactionary of feminist issuesI'm criticising how feminism wants to be able to argue feminist viewpoints (which are mostly reactionary critiques on intersectionality) while being afraid to add men to intersectionality because 'MRA is reactionary' | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/21 10:40 PM |
| 1 | Men's issues from an egalitarian position are the least reactionary of feminist issuesThe inability to think our way across this philosophical bridge, despite Polite Society telling us we must, is one of the reasons most of us are here I don't get this (unless you're being facetious/snarky, I'm autistic haha) Plenty of people can think critically here | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/21 06:46 PM |
| 2 | Men's issues from an egalitarian position are the least reactionary of feminist issuesWell feminism's contradicting itself here even without men involved. If it's for liberating all people then any arguments which restricts someone's freedoms or excludes them from that conversation is against that goal. If feminism is about deconstructing gender roles then it needs to critically look at the ways the system reinforces women's choices and agency, and the ways certain expressions of feminism harm other women. These don't always neatly compliment each other. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/21 06:45 PM |
| 29 | Surprisingly wholesome Good Men Project articleThe article discusses codependent, people-pleasing boyfriends and husbands and how they are entitled to have their needs met just as much as anyone else. This is a rare subject in the current landscape where anything but unconditional self-sacrifice is clinging to privilege. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/21 01:54 AM |
| 3 | this man's channel is about narcissists and psychopaths,talks about BOTH feminists and redpillers...it was specifically bell hooks among others who pointed out how the first and second wave had alienated Black and working class men through its racism and classism. An intersectional approach understands how what harms one sex harms another. That doesn't mean it has to be at the forefront, but if it's not, then people are within their rights to set up a group to work on freeing men from sexism too (again ideally, an intersectional one.) | /r/ExRedPill | 06/04/21 04:37 PM |
| 1 | It’s not Men v. Women, it’s the World v. A Radical Woke IdeologyUnfortunately wokeism started back with Hegel and Marx, to the extent the proleterian is an identity, we owe all identity politics to them, the Left is inseparable from this although the Proudhonian flavour is more palatable than the Dworkinite one. How do we apply nuance without becoming Liberals, a slur to radical leftists? Like mamy here I have tried to handle the hate stream among gynocentric comrades and found I couldn't. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/21 03:30 PM |
| 1 | this man's channel is about narcissists and psychopaths,talks about BOTH feminists and redpillershttps://www.plutobooks.com/blog/feminism-is-for-everybody-bell-hooks/ | /r/ExRedPill | 06/04/21 02:44 PM |
| 2 | this man's channel is about narcissists and psychopaths,talks about BOTH feminists and redpillersThank you for sharing this. I still have a lot of gender egalitarian and progressive ideals, but I feel overwhelmed by people (mainly here on Reddit) saying silencing my pain and confusion is necessary and good praxis. Thereis so much in feminist theory I agree with, and yet...why do you think tbus trend happened? It cannot ALL be TERFs. | /r/ExRedPill | 06/04/21 02:41 PM |
| 2 | Do you think we should consider the red pill as a men’s issue as well as a women’s issue?...yes? To be fair, it already is quite extensively esp in academia, although I have felt this sub has become more aimed at educating and healing women lately (which, I am OK with, but also is really what The Blue Pill sub is for, which is much much bigger than here) | /r/ExRedPill | 04/04/21 10:07 PM |
| 3 | The closing of MEL magazine is evidence that most men agree with us. So, I have a question...You're describing MGTOW praxis, they've been doing this plus "defund the state" for years. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/21 03:12 PM |
| 2 | The panic mongering about rape culture in schools, and why it doesn't hold waterI'm sorry you're getting downvoted. You seem to have your heart in the right place, and I agree with what you say. I would note though (it's getting lost in the noise) a substantial no. of feminists do, as stated, frame rape culture as a 'men's attitudes towards women's sexuality' thing, rather than what you say. Perhaps this happens and it's just not seen. Most of my feed focusses on men's inadequacy for some reason. With the exception of 'Pick Me' and NLOGs, I never heard much in 4th wave femi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/21 11:20 PM |
| 3 | I've been asked to promote a certain subreddit here.Thank you, I might do. Afraid of being plastered somewhere I'd rather not...has happened before | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/21 10:59 PM |
| 2 | I've been asked to promote a certain subreddit here.Here are the 'androcentric' areas which I believe we have in common IF you as you say recognise feminism's imperfections The ways in which men are victimised by Society. This is not in and of itself a problem, that is it fits into feminist theory--although it becomes a problem when feminist groups act against MRA groups (this is rare but does happen). Obviously MRAs have a habit of trying to argue against who has it worse statistically, which is at face level not constructive (people are dying a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/21 10:35 PM |
| 11 | The on-going battle against male sexuality: We need to address the elephant in the roomAs you say, we can either interpret this as the revenge of female supremacists for traditionalism which most acolytes are too afraid to address for fear it leads to the Dark Times, or as part of the government's plan to dismantle class solidarity and morale. Or both. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/21 10:09 PM |
| 3 | How to not be brainwashed by the red pillGreat! You sound like a quality woman :) Well I would try to pay no heed to these 40something sexist guys online, then. I think the problem you have is you're stuck in an addiction loop now, a trauma bond with redpill spaces, where you fear that if you leave you'll miss a crucial detail that could have stopped your relationships going to hell in future. I have the reverse with chauvinistic women's spaces so I get it (compulsive and emotionally harmful participation for fear I miss something whic… | /r/ExRedPill | 03/04/21 10:02 PM |
| 1 | really need some help hereCOVID's definitely made things harder for people with social anxiety, friend. Totally feel you there. Is there Toastmasters International in your state? | /r/ExRedPill | 03/04/21 09:58 PM |
| 1 | How to not be brainwashed by the red pillI would question how many mid 20s truly have their life together to the extent of total stability. Indeed in the current job and housing market, there is barely such a thing as total stability at any age. However this feeds back into 'knows what he wants' and 'well adjusted'. So with the exception of 'has his life together' I see no reason for you to feel entitled and guilty about your general preferences. | /r/ExRedPill | 03/04/21 09:52 PM |
| 1 | How to not be brainwashed by the red pill*Who do you want to date?* This matters more than anything, more than what MGTOW and what your family say. | /r/ExRedPill | 03/04/21 09:37 PM |
| 1 | really need some help hereHey dude, I'm really sorry to hear this. It is indeed difficult being an ethnic minority in a white-dominant culture. Have you considered just socialising without going in for dates? Like...try 6 months talking to people. I know it's hard, but the first thing I sense you need is a positive feedback loop from peers that, even if you are a virgin, you're not 'low social status'...and even if you are, *it doesn't matter*. of course you need internal validation too, that's where therapy comes in. So… | /r/ExRedPill | 03/04/21 09:34 PM |
| 6 | The on-going battle against male sexuality: We need to address the elephant in the roomMy immediate worry is that there is a social stigma around even the right context to bring these up. Alongside the feminist expectations of unconditional allyship and academic expertise in feminist theory and political philosophy, even if it means sexual and romantic repression there is the 'normie' expectation to Just Get It. You'll have to break through the disgust barrier. It's actually the academic way MRAs speak about sexism that sets off Normie's creep radar. Generally tied to ableism towa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/21 06:43 PM |
| 2 | The on-going battle against male sexuality: We need to address the elephant in the roomAre you trying to appeal to sex positive feminists or the general public who aren't 'woke' on sexual politics? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/21 06:15 PM |
| 3 | I've been asked to promote a certain subreddit here.I've left my first post on what I consider to be a serious issue in the contemporary 4th wave. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/21 02:11 PM |
| 1 | Sometimes I feel a semi-irrational adjustment that *only* men need to change, it seemsWell, there's a long-standing complaint that when being a Good Man is easiest when you apply sex negativity to yourself, then you're never going to reach out like this--and when you see guys boldly approaching or initiating and flirting without that guilt, and (for a long time) pretty much nobody caring to help you work through that, it leads to resentment. It's 50% excuse, 50% logical conclusion | /r/ExRedPill | 02/04/21 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Sometimes I feel a semi-irrational adjustment that *only* men need to change, it seems> Why though? What was wrong with you? How were you immoral? Unethical? What part of your character lacked moral efficacy? How were you harming the world? As I mentioned on the incel exit sub, I was a bit of a toxic douchebag to my ex cf. 2013-4 by the end of our relationship, mainly due to paranoia that she was cheating on me with an 'alpha male' (the term Chad did not exist then). I accused her of cheating, and by 2015 she'd asked me to cut her out of her life forever. This was around the time… | /r/ExRedPill | 02/04/21 02:16 AM |
| 1 | I feel like shitYeah. The problem is they start their logic from 'anything left wing=bad' and hierarchy's good so feminism's Communist, and Communism's feminist, both have to go. Then complain about male disposability (which is a symptom of patriarchy and capitalism) it does my head in and has made it hard for me to make sense of reality, as when stressed I do slip back into the gynocentrism/hypergamy logic. I don't want to claim self-righteousness though, I don't consider myself an expert, (I have yet to try *… | /r/ExRedPill | 02/04/21 12:16 AM |
| 2 | Do redpill men have mother issues?I have a helicopter mother, she's not abusive, but our relationship is a little unhealthily enmeshed, enough to qualify as codependency arguably. This means that I give women too much power to validate me and withdraw it (ergo have an unhealthy relationship with feminism as a sort of political mother, despite being the most feminist MRA I know...it's a headfuck) | /r/ExRedPill | 01/04/21 10:17 PM |
| 3 | The Poverty of Patriarchy TheoryWanted to read Hartmann for a while. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/21 09:19 PM |
| 4 | Why does every keep recommending therapy?Patriarchy is not going to fall for you, me or any one person alone, my friend. We have had literal countless wars trying to prevent democracy reverting to unregulated patriarchy (which looks like monarchism and fascism). It is far bigger than you can imagine. It is as big as capitalism if not bigger. AntiSJWs seem to laugh at that to their own detriment, but the evidence is there. | /r/ExRedPill | 01/04/21 07:42 PM |
| 2 | I feel like shitI think this is a generational and class thing. I find I get on best with feminists (women in general) who are a little older than me and fairly low down the socioeconomic food chain, for some reason. Bonus points if they have sons. Definitely sexism is something which gives people advantages and disadvantages of sorts and to varying degrees. | /r/ExRedPill | 01/04/21 05:59 PM |
| 6 | I feel like shitHey, I'm sorry that you've had a hard time with family and men in your life. I think this is a safe place to post. I'm probably not the best person to talk to, I always had my foot half in redpill through the Men's Rights Movement. They're both antifeminist but one's confused about how society works (this is a deliberate misdirection on the part of the cryptofascist ringleaders, but most members are vulnerable men who get sucked in) whether the other's just proudly misogynistic. However I've als… | /r/ExRedPill | 01/04/21 05:51 PM |
| 7 | Has anybody had any success in radical (not just liberal, radical) spaces as a men's advocate or working on general gender equality?Interesting! I also read theory, and that makes a lot more sense to me than Internet extremism hah | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/03/21 01:10 AM |
| 1 | The Manosphere in my opinion is feminism but for men.Sounds like you're coming from a similar place as me. Yes, while the basic aims of feminism are noble (anti-sexism), the Manosphere is as much a consequence of some of the areas feminism overlooked as it is reactionary backlash from 'aggrieved entitlement'. Unfortunately for me, it got too conservative for my tastes, whereas left feminist spaces...I don't feel fully confident talking in them. | /r/ExRedPill | 30/03/21 10:02 PM |
| 2 | Prisoners face a lot of bad treatment they don't deserveWell...they do it because they're mostly private contractors and trying to cut expenses. Weaken capitalism, that'll change things. But I'm sure you know that already. So if I were you I'd work with prison abolitionists bringing up these points as to how, in the meantime, improve the dignity of an inmate's life | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Do you think that it would be beneficial to come up with our own "pill"?Purple pill has been a thing for a while. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 06:46 PM |
| 5 | Post on askwomen- “what male issues do you NOT empathize with?” Pretty disgusting answersIt's also afaik the dominant model in sociology and criminology, which begs the q. why Duluth was mainstream for so long | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 06:39 PM |
| 2 | Man I'm tired of women blaming me for not crying enough and never calling out this shit. How am I supposed to deal with these it is honestly driving me to the point of self hatred. How do I deal with this? Please Help! I feel so weak and defeated.I think a ton of dudes in the Manosphere need therapy for codependency personally...myself included,so I could be projecting. Look at most redpill sidebar texts and tbey're all mem oriented self help for people pleasers with weak boundaries. I know Peterson is wrong about a lot of stuff but his discussion of Jung's 'Devouring Mother' is solid. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 06:30 PM |
| 8 | Everyone's Invited doesn't seem to invite boysBates has interviewed MRAs and MGTOW for her second book. She knows of and has attacked the MRM | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 06:23 PM |
| 2 | Post on askwomen- “what male issues do you NOT empathize with?” Pretty disgusting answersI found an old anarchism thread (pre Gamergate/SRS era) where someone called Erin a grifter who attacks "straw Communists". Like...what? I thought it was clear Chiswick Aid was full of TERFs; the problem is they are STILL in power | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 06:18 PM |
| 2 | Post on askwomen- “what male issues do you NOT empathize with?” Pretty disgusting answersThere has been an anti 'men as victims' mod on AskMen for a while, not sure who though. And of course Reddit top admins just wanna look woke for the money | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 06:15 PM |
| 2 | Prisoners face a lot of bad treatment they don't deserveThese issues all are related to the ones you said you don't want to discuss...? It's all part of the prison industrial complex and the auth right complex of American 'justice' (which carceral feminists condone) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 06:11 PM |
| 1 | I'm venting but... can you imagine what it would feel like to be taken seriously?Tbh guys I have had a harder time getting support online than off? In working class circles anyway, and outside of work or uni. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/21 06:10 PM |
| 3 | "That's not real feminism"To be fair, that's a good sub but the admin early on said they were trying to avoid it being explicitly MRA-aligned to safeguard it. Look for the 'honesty about woke BS affecting young men's MH' post. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/03/21 06:49 PM |
| 6 | "That's not real feminism"I would go further and say the average feminist plain doesn't know who Koss, Walters, Gearhart, and in some sad cases Solanas, Dworkin, Firestone, MacKinnon, Greer, Daly and even Steinem are. What NOW is, UN Women's bias, etc. But it's a double bind. We are simultaneously expected to be the most professional, to prove we're not just Internet not trolls, *and* to not seem obsessed with critique, as that means having an axe to grind. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/03/21 06:46 PM |
| 3 | "That's not real feminism"It's a mixture of virtue signalling solidarity with the progressive Left and cognitive dissonance. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/03/21 02:29 PM |
| 1 | Lessons for men from that time a journal published an excerpt of Mein Kampf as a feminist textAh OK, this'd be the point of confusion. I've been in Left spaces and at no point have they been this egalitarian ideal. They understand things in terms of power structures, the oppressor/oppressed dynamic etc. You're confusing liberals with leftists. I'm not dismissing Quillette entirely, hell I think one of my oldest redpill debate pals was a very active supporter | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/21 03:55 AM |
| 1 | Lessons for men from that time a journal published an excerpt of Mein Kampf as a feminist textI haven't, of course. I wish I did. The only ones which exist that I know of are Red Pill theory, which is inherently heteronormative and trans-exclusionary. (And also reifies gender relations in sexual dimorphism, so, questionable how materialist it is even if the social mode can't change) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/21 03:53 AM |
| 1 | Lessons for men from that time a journal published an excerpt of Mein Kampf as a feminist textMy apologies for the assumptions. >t he first one is the concept of hegemonic masculinity, that is traced as an objective position in which there would be obvious patterns of masculinity, over-simplifying what men actually are/do. oversimplifying? You know as well as I do that sociologists can only observe and measure trends and patterns, not quantify humanity. Hm Ok...well, iirc Connell was partially fatigued from the more romanticised masculinist books of the time, inspired by mythopoetic men'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/21 03:55 AM |
| 2 | The Morality of Masculinity - BBC Radio DebateThanks for sharing! BBC's favourite pastime right now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/21 03:02 AM |
| -3 | Lessons for men from that time a journal published an excerpt of Mein Kampf as a feminist textThank you! Yes, I believe feminism's valid as an epistemic lens, one of many. We need to point out when it's flawed, not try and kill it off (how does one kill off thought germs anyway?) There's also the notoriety (for bad reasons) of the Sokal profs, see https://np.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/l0mqtk/questions_about_cynical_theories_by_helen/ If we want to be successful as genuine left wingers, then we need to avoid the antiSJWTube trap of thinking we understand postmodernism enough to c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/21 02:39 AM |
| -4 | Lessons for men from that time a journal published an excerpt of Mein Kampf as a feminist text> So if we want to establish counter points to many of the harmful concepts about men they are creating and pushing into the public agenda we need to get more rational men into social academic fields, and more men in society in general criticizing this structures in a rational way. We tend to criticize the symptoms (ex: common people using "toxic masculinity" as a "truth" in social media) but not the causes (the power structure backing up this concept as an academic "truth") Feminism's an approa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/21 02:18 AM |
| 0 | Lessons for men from that time a journal published an excerpt of Mein Kampf as a feminist texthttp://np.reddit.com/r/CriticalTheory/comments/kv5wle/ep_11_how_james_lindsay_and_jordan_peterson/ I'm consistently seeing this vague, clearly IDW-oriented attack on critical theory and postmodernism as antimale. The sub's good for acknowledging men's pain at being dismissed by feminists, and it's intersectional for sure. But the attempt to rationalise that dismissal as 'therefore their entire theory was invalid' is just a way to obscure class consciousness...not a leftist thing to do. If we are… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/21 02:08 AM |
| 3 | This subreddit is ruined.I personally believe leftism is the biggest antidote to TRP, which commodifies people into animals, products, numbers and hierarchies, love into ovulation cycles and fertility windows. Are you looking for an antidote to that? You have to look at what leads people into reducing others into non-human things first. | /r/ExRedPill | 27/03/21 01:57 AM |
| 2 | Lessons for men from that time a journal published an excerpt of Mein Kampf as a feminist textQuilette isn't a Nazi site, but it is right of centre and the way this sub keeps promoting IDW figures like Lindsay (widely regarded as politically misrepresenting critical theory) is why the Left doesn't view us as 'left wing'. Plus yeah, Ngo is troubling | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/21 07:23 PM |
| 6 | MRM AND violenceThe assumptions facilitating traditional gender roles take time to erode, friend. | /r/ExRedPill | 25/03/21 01:48 AM |
| 2 | An interesting take, I was never one of you.......I hear what you're saying. It devalues the working class and labour movements, because it's interested in the preservation of the existing hierarchy (capitalism, patriarchy, white privilege, heteronormativity). To add insult to injury, I'm actually disabled so for a while I took TRP to the 'logical' conclusion which was that I should be euthanised. Had I have realised then that this was basically a fascist ideology rather than taking "bro stop taking it so seriously" at face value, maybe I'd be … | /r/ExRedPill | 25/03/21 01:41 AM |
| 2 | Finding it hard to keep up the 'always happy, confident, on top of things and full of energy' facadeI feel like every time I let go of it, people leave. Case in point this friend...although she could just be busy. Idk, it's been 3 weeks. Sometimes I'm rigid with the texting rules and that doesn't help | /r/ExRedPill | 24/03/21 02:24 AM |
| 1 | WHAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE?Mark Manson's a decent dating coach, provided you don't turn him into your daddy (which you may be inclined to if coming from TRP) | /r/ExRedPill | 24/03/21 02:12 AM |
| 6 | Finding it hard to keep up the 'always happy, confident, on top of things and full of energy' facadeIt's OK! I've been dealing with impaired MH for years and read a ton of self-help haha, this is what dragged me into TRP in the first place (but made it worse...but then as I've mentioned elsewhere I used MRA as a coping mechanism after, which I had a helped-but-hurt-me relationship with | /r/ExRedPill | 24/03/21 01:54 AM |
| 8 | Finding it hard to keep up the 'always happy, confident, on top of things and full of energy' facadeThanks. I've been in CBT a million times and the NHS waiting list right now is really long. I don't know where to start with private therapy | /r/ExRedPill | 24/03/21 01:49 AM |
| 2 | Reminder: Ex-RedPill doesn't have to mean blindly accepting opposing viewpoints and completely rejecting your old beliefsThank you! That's kind of you to say :) | /r/ExRedPill | 22/03/21 03:16 AM |
| 1 | Reminder: Ex-RedPill doesn't have to mean blindly accepting opposing viewpoints and completely rejecting your old beliefsHey you may be right. I was getting better at this before COVID, and even earlier last year in the 1st lockdown, but since summer it's been hard and I've been slipping back into Extremely Online mode (I'm in UK where we've been in lockdown again since January) As I say, because of my history as an MRA, albeit a progressive one. It's a contradiction which many feminists don't understand, as their definition of it is basically a sexist slacktivist troll | /r/ExRedPill | 22/03/21 03:16 AM |
| 1 | Reminder: Ex-RedPill doesn't have to mean blindly accepting opposing viewpoints and completely rejecting your old beliefsThere's a history of early radical feminism (originally called Women's Liberation) being trans-exclusionary. And some Marxist feminism, since they both critique capital, just Marxist feminists consider capitalism the root of women's oppression in contemporary society rather than patriarchy. Applying a rigid materialist analysis and understanding of patriarchy to be the result of the category of gender as a binary social construct privileging men and the masculine, they denied the existence of tr… | /r/ExRedPill | 22/03/21 03:13 AM |
| 1 | Reminder: Ex-RedPill doesn't have to mean blindly accepting opposing viewpoints and completely rejecting your old beliefsCompleted failed at TRP (basically just made me more incel) Semi-influential reformist MRA, though | /r/ExRedPill | 22/03/21 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Reminder: Ex-RedPill doesn't have to mean blindly accepting opposing viewpoints and completely rejecting your old beliefsI imagine cos of my history... | /r/ExRedPill | 22/03/21 01:11 AM |
| 5 | Reminder: Ex-RedPill doesn't have to mean blindly accepting opposing viewpoints and completely rejecting your old beliefsYeah. Right now I largely agree with Marxist feminists (but not of the TERF variety) and yet I don't think I'd be accepted as an ally...anywhere. So, what do I do. Can't go back to TRP, MRA failed to represent my values, feminists don't want me. | /r/ExRedPill | 22/03/21 12:19 AM |
| 16 | Men in leftist subs are asking how they can be better allies when they've never seen men being abusive in real lifeWell, the natural conclusion to THAT praxis is seeing the abuser in the mirror :/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/21 01:59 PM |
| 6 | Best way to help a friend kick the RedpillHey man, this is a great question so thanks for coming here. I guess a good starter question is, what are your and his hobbies and interests? One of the first things TRP takes from you is things you genuinely like to do, and replaces it with things which allegedly 'raise sexual market value' | /r/ExRedPill | 21/03/21 12:29 AM |
| 23 | Do you think fixing some of mens issues might also solve a lot of females issues?Both calling out virgin shaming, and teaching all children boundaries at a young age, would reduce the likelihood of rape culture on women's end, sure. Respect for boundaries is respect for consent, after all. Some men's issues are really class issues, but poverty traps incline men towards either social withdrawal or gangs. Gravitation towards radical ideologies like incel is sort of split; although it's stereotyped as an 'entitled middle class white trust fund baby crying over first world probl… | /r/ExRedPill | 20/03/21 07:03 PM |
| 1 | This instagram post with 250,000 likes is probably the most stupid analogy I’ve ever seen. This is an abomination of common sense.This is a literal parasite-class metaphor a la fascism. Ugh, I don't know what to do about it. They've shut comments down too. Wasn't the poisoned Skittles meme good enough? | /r/MensRights | 20/03/21 04:13 AM |
| 1 | An insight into the lives of the real oppressed. My experiences as a homeless man in Los Angeles.Thank you for sharing your story, brother. The epidemic is real. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/21 09:37 PM |
| 2 | We should teach all people INCLUDING men that it's OK to assert your needs, desires and set boundaries on othersThe one I'm working through right now is https://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Say-Feel-Guilty-Systematic/dp/0553263900 granted, a bit dated, but apparently pioneered the field | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/21 08:31 PM |
| 2 | We should teach all people INCLUDING men that it's OK to assert your needs, desires and set boundaries on othersI'm sorry to hear that. Did it always used to be like this? Was there ever a good time for good dating/relationships advice for men online? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/21 06:47 PM |
| 7 | I never understood red pill's hatred towards single mothers.The obvious answer is misogyny. Single mothers are independent, and men who want to control women don't want them to have that option, so they vote to take away the financial safety net. The political answer is that TRP is adjacent to the neoreactionary movement, which is hyper-traditionalist and against the sexual revolution for EVERYONE. Although in practice, of course, the double standard would benefit men in power, not all men but men *in power* over everyone else, especially women. In fact,… | /r/ExRedPill | 19/03/21 02:04 AM |
| 20 | I've started a petition to reddit and the reddit admins to address misandry on their platform.I admire you, but er...have you seen what Spez has wrote in Quartz? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/21 10:36 PM |
| 10 | We should teach all people INCLUDING men that it's OK to assert your needs, desires and set boundaries on othersFair point. I guess it's confusing because to me a lot are male feminists are tradcucks i.e. they take pleasure from showing how impervious they are to suffering, and claim only weak men would struggle--something which completely threw me when I took 'patriarchy hurts men too' at face value. For a male feminist tradcuck, the goal is just to show how he's a real man more manlier than all the other men, but wrapped up in progressive/woke rhetoric. Alienation can't hurt me! Loneliness can't hurt me… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/21 03:42 PM |
| 7 | We should teach all people INCLUDING men that it's OK to assert your needs, desires and set boundaries on othersYes. Unfortunately the left have dismissed any criticism of them contributing to radicalisation as a victim narrative. I never became a fascist, but I did see some of my friends turn into fascists, and I argued against them as they did before I had to leave them to their dark path and walk away even more alone. > feminist failures don't excuse personal failures (such as mine) for throwing in with the right. Again though, why is this even a personal failure? Which parts of the Right did you go wi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/21 03:27 PM |
| 12 | I'm sorry if this is off topic. But what is with other men's subs on reddit being more concerned with maintaining the image of feminism than with the lived experiences of men?Sure! But, we can't do much about that. When somehow that was transcended, it was seen as trying to reassert male dominance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosociality#:~:text=In%20sociology%2C%20homosociality%20means%20same,uphold%20men's%20dominance%20in%20society. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/21 08:09 PM |
| 19 | I'm sorry if this is off topic. But what is with other men's subs on reddit being more concerned with maintaining the image of feminism than with the lived experiences of men?If Red Pill theory has any validity, then yes male intrasexual competition is a huge part of it. But actually homosocialty (male bonding) used to be a thing, feminists broke it up (look up on Wiki) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/21 06:51 PM |
| 2 | UPDATE: #MenAreHuman.Feminists have wilfully chosen to demand men take the beating to their health and wellbeing for consciousness raising of rape culture and violence against women via mainstream media. This is a fact whether or not it's justified. Many men support the goals of the anti-harassment campaigns; it's still hard on one's mental health to discuss and always will be. Allyship is difficult and often without thanks now more than ever. In the case of being a male ally it's considered performative allyship to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/21 06:40 PM |
| 2 | UPDATE: #MenAreHuman.> If you approach this from a kind and considerate perspective That only works one to one with people halfway to understanding and approaching in good faith. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/21 05:41 PM |
| 1 | UPDATE: #MenAreHuman.Pretty sure AVFM own Real Sexism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/21 05:38 PM |
| 8 | So after how many years of saying there no differences between men and women, we've finally reached this pointTelegraph's conservative feminism, right? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/03/21 12:04 AM |
| 5 | After recevent events and the reaction, do you feel more or less inclined in making women feel safe?I think that the 'male violence' angle has been played up by the media (which is owned by mainly right wing tycoons) to tone down that it was the cops, which means it was the government, that betrayed women and justice. People are already edging to kick the Tories out and then they pulled total police brutality at the vigil, followed by this draconian anti-protest bill. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/03/21 06:16 PM |
| 1 | Searching for resourcesNeither of those are feminist either; PPD is an outgrowth of TRP ffs | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/03/21 02:34 PM |
| 2 | Where does this idea that putting on makeup or dressing up will make a woman see you beneath her come from?The old PUA scene had a thing called 'peacocking' to demonstrate high value | /r/ExRedPill | 11/03/21 07:40 PM |
| 1 | Where does this idea that putting on makeup or dressing up will make a woman see you beneath her come from?> don't deny the fact that it's harder to think straight when you are close to someone you are attracted to. > My issue is with the pedastel mindset people put on beauty.. Well it can be, yes. I explicitly criticise putting beauty on a pedestal. But this is still projecting your insecurity onto her. We have absolutely nothing to say that she suddenly looks down on you for being a 'sub 8 male' because she puts make up on and pretties herself up. For all you know she wants to also jump your bones … | /r/ExRedPill | 11/03/21 07:32 PM |
| 1 | How the redpill started.I believe TRP is actually a MGTOW community, but yes, basically there is a reactionary antifeminist traditionalist wing of MRAs which has been against feminism not just on legal inequalities but also the erosion of enforced traditional gender roles/basically, patriarchy since the second wave at least. This problem goes back to the 1970s/80s. (I was a liberal MRA until the reactionaries more or less kicked me out, and while I think feminists can be flawed, liberal MRAs have yet to give me a bette… | /r/ExRedPill | 11/03/21 01:35 AM |
| 10 | I know this seems like an impossible task, but.... can we attempt to make a truce with the feminists subreddits?Not through the safe spaces. You're going to have to find people with feminist but egalitarian leanings in the wild and befriend them authentically. Change is long and slow; it can take a lifetime or more. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/21 01:56 PM |
| 3 | I know this seems like an impossible task, but.... can we attempt to make a truce with the feminists subreddits?I have feminist friends off of Reddit; due to my redpill browsing history (see 2014-6 in particular) I'm banned from all feminist subs except MensLib, which I appealed late last year. Feminism is a powerful lobby and the tradcon antiSJW right wing (PragerU, Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority etc.) is or at least was also a powerful lobby. Both promise things for men, both demand sacrifice, both have used men towards their own ends. Do research (Susan Faludi's Backlash for tradcons and MRAs, gir… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/21 01:46 PM |
| 3 | Everyone is missing the point of this sub.Especially women.Tbqh this is first and foremost an abuser rehabilitation sub, not a mental health support group for men nor a place to debate the legitimacy of TRP and PUA. IncelExit, MensLib and nonpolitical mental health subs (men only and open for all) would be closer to that. The major personal issues which exredpill guys face are usually: social anxiety, below average social skills especially in relating to women, fear of abandonment, consequential fear of intimacy, codependency, weak boundaries, passive a… | /r/ExRedPill | 09/03/21 01:25 PM |
| 2 | The more I read about attachment theory the clearer it looks to me: a great deal of the red pill movement is just avoidant men complaining about anxious women.I'd say that explains MGTOW more than redpill, although of course there's huge overlap. Bluepill dudes seems to be the exact reverse; niceguys have anxious attachment styles and possible co-dependent tendencies, chase emotionally unavailable and unstable but usually more dominant women disgusted by it, feel women are narcissists because of that, try to emulate Dark Triad, the rest is history | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/21 03:00 PM |
| -4 | Happy international women's day. Here we promote equality. They hated on us for supporting men's day so the least we can do is show some maturityGreat attitude. I've honestly abandoned the Elam/MGTOW approach and returned to Farrell, and I'm having small successes. We should always strive to walk the line between apathy for others and disrespect of our own needs and values. It's good to realise bureaucrats don't care for us, and it's good to acknowledge the ignorance of the coffee shop feminist about what's really going on. But that is largely what it is, ignorance and fear of being outcast from the Sisterhood for nuance. Not malice...no… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/21 02:24 PM |
| 1 | The subreddit r/amitheasshole is very biased against men.It might be worth unsubbing and taking a break, if the roadblocks that the MRM faces are depressing you this much. But it's not reasonable to expect the sub to change. Yes, there's a lot of repetition, but as others have said this is part of consciousness raising praxis. The other issue is that the MRM is a response to a mental health crisis men face, which makes it difficult to organise constructively. Some of us have got past red pill rage, others of us have not. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/21 02:47 AM |
| 2 | I need your help: Group X.I think this is a clever idea. I third the people saying get rid of the group Y. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/03/21 01:53 AM |
| 1 | I think I'm turning into a fascist please helpYou'll only get that if you're seen to be arguing in bad faith like, wandering into a space and derailing a conversation demanding someone else explain stuff to you that you could Google. Example? | /r/ExRedPill | 01/03/21 02:24 PM |
| 2 | I think I'm turning into a fascist please helpOK 2 things a) Why are you basing political praxis for an entire *country* based off of who your roomies fucked?! b) No you're confusing things, 'liberal feminism' is assimilated BY capitalism, as are elements of intersectionality. Some actions are being treated as feminist which are basically capitalist. But none of the assimilated and mainstreamed forms are effective at genuine change. Your critique of liberalism makes sense if you assume the Left to be unviable. But so far your only basis for… | /r/ExRedPill | 28/02/21 01:05 AM |
| 5 | I think I'm turning into a fascist please helpI can also almost guarantee that your friends are distancing from you because they don't see the importance of TRP (ultimately an Internet website) in the same way you do right now. You're exhibiting symptoms of cult brainwashing and the dangerous zeal which goes with it. But I've personally been down this road not too many years ago, I could make posts on it...I guess my question for you is, if Fascism was a goal of feminism then why do they have a discourse on something called 'ableism'? There… | /r/ExRedPill | 27/02/21 09:16 PM |
| 3 | I fear the conversation regarding romantic initiation is too fucked up to be productiveIt's a good MGTOW gotcha in the heat of the moment, but ultimately this attitude contributes to neoliberal alienation. Whether or not all men and women are destined to bond romantically (obviously not) men and women were meant to work together, and it's artificial to divide us. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/02/21 01:55 AM |
| 5 | I fear the conversation regarding romantic initiation is too fucked up to be productiveI'm not sure how old you are but I've had infinitely better chances at getting empathy on anything relating to men's issues (or issues I face as a man) from older women (at least 25+ and ideally 30+) This rule has held fast whether they were feminist or antifeminist, liberalor conservative (or leftist) Conversely I've found young FeMRAs who empathise with men as a class, however, I do hate to say this, they overwhelming saw me as not masculine enough to talk to lol. This was especially true of T… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/02/21 01:45 AM |
| 2 | exredpill vs blue pill?You sound purple pill. The issue for me is that pure blue pill for me, in my head (I know it's not what blue pill is) is sex negative radical feminism. I am supposed to feel guilt and shame about my sex drive, my neuroticism is good, and generally I'm doing the world a favour by not pursuing intimacy. I'm also meant to sacrifice my needs routinely, even if the result is people view me as a pushover, I burn out and I'm generally a shell of my potential as people leave me. For me this is part and … | /r/ExRedPill | 20/02/21 08:12 PM |
| 6 | Men's issues are not 'annoying', they are real.You do amazing work, Tin. Proud to follow you! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/02/21 07:59 PM |
| 3 | The Red Pill/Men's RightsI'm not really sure if he's disingenuous. He's going to pull some shots, because as like all male feminists he's ultimately beholden to women's approval. However as I said elsewhere PUA and TRP will eventually be crushed, it's not IF it's WHEN. The black pill for me is that we have to choose between either economic freedom or sexual/romantic happiness (if, that is, the premises are correct; I no longer know) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/02/21 07:37 PM |
| 3 | The Red Pill/Men's RightsOh! Yes, I totally agree with you. You can't 'undo' the Enlightenment, not even with war or a fascist book-burning regime. It would take generations to get to the point where we're arguing whether women should be legally allowed to be sexually active, or viewed as sexual agents. On that basis, tradcons are fighting a lost battle. The only way is forward. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/21 07:50 PM |
| 3 | The Red Pill/Men's RightsOn legal gender equality: If we believe in moral universalism (i.e. we believe everybody has an innate right to life and freedom by virtue of being human alone) then we are morally bound under democracy to grant all citizens equality under the law. If we do not then we're at home with fascists, simply put. The reason I'm leftist is not that I don't believe in moral universalism but because I believe the ruling class does not actually respect our (the people's) rights and liberties. But, this is … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/21 03:57 PM |
| 7 | The Red Pill/Men's RightsOh man, I remember wasting hours a day pacifying FeMRAs over AWALT... There is a demonstrable difference between your Statement B and Statement A (AWALT). 'Are' is an essentialist and determinist claim, which external factors cannot change; B 'society rewards' is a materialist/environmentalist claim, where the accuracy of the claim is dependent upon external factors. If B does not mean A *unless* we control for external factors determining B, you can't say A equals B continuously. This is basic … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/21 03:45 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill/Men's RightsI didn't downvote, and for the record I think that traditionalism=male disposability so it's insane to advocate for unless your aim is pure antifeminism. But I'm confused about your argument. Tradcons and reactionaries do, to varying degrees (some tradcons are socially libertarian gender essentialists, all reactionaries are socially authoritarian) and this means a lot though not ALL MGTOW and Red Pillers do, since tradcon-ism is more concentrated there.* MRAs do not, for the most part. They want… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/21 03:37 PM |
| 7 | The Red Pill/Men's RightsYeah AFAIK TRP exists because feminism (and I would argue Neoliberalism/anti-society capitalism) basically butchered wisdom on dating and relationships passed down from father to son, or between brothers. All that was left was unrealistic James Bond ideals (also shat on as misogynist), simpy Disney princes and the Sensitive New Age Guys (walked all over) and pick-up artists (also crushed). And some of the old PUAs had to go for being rapey or at least sketchy on it. But there have been very few … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/21 03:25 PM |
| 4 | The Red Pill/Men's RightsTo neutralise TRP would require: a) Serious consideration of the MRM and the legal and cultural issues men face which it presents, even where this requires a radical re-evaluation of and accountability for how women relate to men in post-feminist societies and perpetuate sexism This is unlikely since feminists would have to apply our definition of sexism, i.e. of bidirectional gender stereotypes, rather than one informed by patriarchy theory's notion of male privilege and gynocentric standpoint,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/21 02:56 PM |
| 3 | Why misandry, and why Now? What do you think?Feminism in its current form only survives due to liberal democracy, i.e. men adhering to the social contract to serve the state as workers and obey its laws in exchange for protection of their civil liberties and property, and representation of their class interests. MGTOW is abandonment of this contract on the basis that the MRM failed to either convince feminists or the general electorate to reciprocate the contract. Antagonism to feminism would dissipate if men's issues were better represent… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/21 02:30 PM |
| 4 | Why misandry, and why Now? What do you think?Because both at the bottom tier of the feminist pyramid (teenage girls on Tumblr complaining about how boys suck and are idiots) and the top (NOW, UNWomen/CEDAW, feminist standpoint epistemologists in the Academy telling Men and Masculnity Studies departments that their research is Problematic, etc.) gynocentrism is hegemonic, without removing the material superstructure for male disposability. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/21 01:52 PM |
| 7 | The Red Pill/Men's RightsWhile not every Red Pill man follows this template to the letter, TRP at its core is a mixture of MGTOW, PUA, Tradcon and Reactionary ('far right', though not necessarily Alt Right) philosophy, so in some ways it's counter to the MRM which is essentially Liberal albeit ranges in voices between conservatives, libertarians and progressives. It's fundamental antifeminism meaning that it disagrees with feminist philosophy's claim that women and men are ontologically equal. Hence a 'pre-conscious fem… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/21 01:23 PM |
| 2 | The phrase "when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" originated with the men's rights movement. It was in response to people ignoring that men faced systemic disadvantages also.When I started really getting into the MRM was round the time all the tradcons were exploiting this just to try and find some dude to leech off of lol | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/21 04:34 AM |
| 3 | A crosspost from /r/menslib. How feminist/TERF messaging is actively harmful to men and masculine identifying persons.She's classed as a liberal feminist in comparison to Firestone, Greer, Dworkin, McKinnon etc. I also believe there are some radical feminists (like bell hooks) who I consider more of an ally than liberal feminists tbh. The difference between liberal and radical feminism is not how anti-male they are, that's actually a conservative framing of their theory. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/21 07:33 PM |
| 11 | A crosspost from /r/menslib. How feminist/TERF messaging is actively harmful to men and masculine identifying persons.The whole conversation will just be "it makes us feel like shit to hear all this...but they have the right to say it, they need to say it, it's important to say it, so let them say it and we'll get therapy to cope and work on educating other men in a way which makes our masters less likely to say we suck" It's starting from the position of grovelling. Feminists need to actively provide men with the tools to assert themselves against manipulative, abusive, aggressive and predatory women. How can … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/21 02:45 AM |
| 2 | Does Feminism support male issues?Cos the bourgeoisie will only ever advertise and promote bourgeois ideals | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/02/21 03:05 PM |
| 2 | Does Feminism support male issues?Socialist feminists have existed since Rosa Luxemberg and Alexandra Kollontai. As old as the Pankhursts. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/02/21 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Why do redpill/blackpill guys seem to not understand what it means to be genuine?So this is an old post but I wanted to chime in. It is of course unhealthy and deceitful to pretend to be somebody you're not just for a woman, or any other person. And it won't last long if it's not self-motivated. However, what happens if you genuinely enjoy something but not to the point where you feel a burning need to know and show THE BEST of it, which would not exist but for external pressure like impressing partners who (you think) will be attracted by *nothing but THE BEST*? The idea th… | /r/ExRedPill | 12/02/21 01:59 PM |
| 1 | I'm struggling with the collapse of everything I know possibly being wrong. Why would anybody have any reason to respect me?Worry diaries, exposure/intolerance of uncertainty exercises, and ERP, but with the latter I'm not sure what I should even *be* ERPing | /r/ExRedPill | 03/02/21 07:11 PM |
| 1 | I'm struggling with the collapse of everything I know possibly being wrong. Why would anybody have any reason to respect me?Hey, thanks for replying. I was in CBT sometime last year (until summer) but I'm with the NHS too and the waiting lists right now are massive. I guess I'm engaging in some sort of unhealthy thought crime; afraid of doing or saying something problematic that I don't do or say anything, even if I'm trying to help. Not all that different to general social avoidance, perhaps :/ | /r/ExRedPill | 03/02/21 06:01 PM |
| 1 | PhilosophyTube coming out as trans and the 'loss of role model' dilemmaIn some cases possibly. In other cases it may have been genuine predatory behaviour hidden behind the One Good Man routine. Regardless this is part of the reason for my dilemma, though not the current one I want to focus on | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/02/21 03:42 PM |
| 2 | Ever notice how TRP/MGTOWS think that women are all the sudden different in the current year.If you mean this sub then I second that notion. If you mean TRP then of course it never will because it's alt right adjacent. Or at least was when founded. But the series IS great and on many more things than just gender politics. | /r/ExRedPill | 08/01/21 09:25 PM |
| 15 | Ever notice how TRP/MGTOWS think that women are all the sudden different in the current year.This is just a common conservative, but particularly reactionary, position. There was a time Before Now when Society was functioning well or at least better, however, The Terrible Thing (in this case Feminism) has ruined that and Now, Society is terrible. Therefore the solution is to return to the Before Time. Result: repeal any progressive reform legally or culturally and treat any further reforms with hostility. It is particularly effective because men who fall victim to TRP are usually confli… | /r/ExRedPill | 08/01/21 07:55 PM |
| 2 | How the hell do other men find any will to live???PPD is not representative of reality, it's where feminists go to argue with extreme antifeminists (tradcons, Redpillers) and it's very unkind to depressed people (esp. depressed men who can soo easily fall into the incel trap.) It isn't even close to 'left' though, there are a handful of vocal intersectional feminists with varying degrees of sympathy to said men, but as far as politics goes it's mostly right libertarian MGTOW and some outright neoreactionaries in a catfight with women and male f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/01/21 02:20 AM |
| 6 | How the hell do other men find any will to live???Several of the admins are openly alt right, even. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/01/21 02:13 AM |
| 2 | In terms of reaching a more egalitarian landscape, in what ways do men generally need to improve? And in what ways do women?I've read a few 'Radicalizing the Romanceless' esque pieces but not this one, so thanks. Disclaimer I still need to read and made my comment below before doing so. So what I say might be a lie i.e. maybe she did doxx him. On the whole I have no issue with Watson's callout of a guy hitting on her in a lift at 4 in the morning given her speech might as well have been a giant 'cock block'. She kept him anonymous too, which is totally different to contemporary cancel culture. I don't think the issue… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/20 02:34 PM |
| 5 | In terms of reaching a more egalitarian landscape, in what ways do men generally need to improve? And in what ways do women?I've been in enough antifeminist spaces to know that people do in fact have emphatic expectations for women and criticisms of their behaviour. Compared to normies they're either emphatically traditional (in terms of romance and gender roles, not broader culture/politics) or emphatically egalitarian and progressive. There are 'Stage One' MGTOW who won't marry but will still date or sleep around; however they have high standards which they expect women to meet (thanks to the androcentric messaging… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/20 02:25 PM |
| 6 | In terms of reaching a more egalitarian landscape, in what ways do men generally need to improve? And in what ways do women?Like I said, it was before my time but current Internet culture can't really appreciate the degree to which Christianity was an extreme major player in US politics pre-2010. The Religious Right is still strong thanks to the GOP, but then it was a tour de force. The Bush administration really changed things. Atheist and sceptic communities emerged but there was a feminist/non-feminist split in them culminating in Elevatorgate and basically splintering the sceptic community | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/20 02:17 PM |
| 1 | Vaush getting cancelled/disliked by feminists despite being one?Yes, it means that the petite bourgeoisie will identify with the ruling class as capitalism hits crisis phase and revolution is on the horizon. Still absurd to apply to Vaush, the dude goes out of his way to virtue signal his leftist status and explicitly snubs conservatives and (neo)liberals on a regular basis. The only real time he's been liberal aside from failing to memorise the dates of every imperial conflict for tankies was over the Bernie or Bust shitshow-since many young leftists consid… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/20 05:27 AM |
| 1 | Vaush getting cancelled/disliked by feminists despite being one?Understandable, I guess without sources this is ragebait. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/20 05:22 AM |
| 1 | Vaush getting cancelled/disliked by feminists despite being one?I'm not sure, no link on YT in the post, tried to source on Youtube and couldn't find it, predictably the guy started accusing anybody criticising it also being liberals or fascists so I disengaged. So hopefully not. I have found a few videos claiming Vaush is a liberal and not a true leftist | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/20 02:25 AM |
| 2 | What happens if the only people who will work with us are on the right and the left excludes us for "being fascists"?No disagreements. I have a lot of compassion for fellow prole women. I added men given the sub's context with regards to consciousness raising | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/20 07:55 PM |
| 1 | Besides LWMA, does anyone have any other man-affirming subs they can recommend?The sub is dead though in comparison. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/20 04:27 PM |
| 1 | What happens if the only people who will work with us are on the right and the left excludes us for "being fascists"?But the thought leaders are telling them to abandon any progressive solution. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/20 03:58 PM |
| 5 | What happens if the only people who will work with us are on the right and the left excludes us for "being fascists"?Yeah since when have neoliberals ever been pro working class men lmao | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/20 03:56 PM |
| 1 | "The privilege backfiring"Yeah feminists are tradgyns when they want to be | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/20 03:52 PM |
| 1 | What happens if the only people who will work with us are on the right and the left excludes us for "being fascists"?I won't join or rather I'm done doing that approach, cos this isn't a hypothetical, AVFM and HBR did precisely this already, to a lesser extent Women Against Feminism (any other big MR networks I've ignored?) Brian Martinez just declared leftist MRAs will be an issue moving forward. Defending Trump as an MRA ally, what did it do for us? This is not hypothetical. And we will be used by either group like the neocons and Ancaps used us through antiSJWtube funding. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/20 03:38 PM |
| 1 | How do people feel about Men's Rights?He does great work. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/20 03:06 PM |
| 14 | I think guys have a little right to have some resentment whether it be at feminism or whatever. Especially if they were at some point feministNobody's on men's side, that's why so many MRA-MGTOW eventually get stuck in "fuck you got mine" hedonism and the popularity of Ancap among us against all reason. Both feminism and traditionalism use men for their ends, the former the project to liberate women and the latter the maintenance of the state and cultural hegemony. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 05:35 PM |
| 3 | Besides LWMA, does anyone have any other man-affirming subs they can recommend?This is pretty much it. Maybe FeMRADebates. AskMen comments but mods have to be PC. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 05:32 PM |
| 5 | Leftists who do not pander to the narrative of all men being oppressors and try to look out for ‘low status’ men often get labelled ‘Auth Left’ or ‘Incel’?Incel, brocialist,manarchist or liberal MRA more like. I think to get accused of being specifically a Nazbol you would have to talk about more than just feminism...and tbf an actual patriarchal state even if socialist IS tankie | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/20 01:18 PM |
| 3 | Why menslib is this bad?I'm in ML, I'm finding there are a lot of decent posters there tbh, and they have a solid understanding of the ways which men suffer under the system. That they use certain words for it and we don't doesn't change that. Obviously the admins are gynocentric and suppress a lot of discourse. I wish I knew a solution to this because I generally understand why people who value freedom of expression distrust moderators and admins even when they're on your team. | /r/MensRights | 29/11/20 11:22 PM |
| 1 | What if women and girls simply are not what we made them to be in our minds?Sounds a pretty Jungian take. Have you read *Aspects of The Feminine*? I'd like to. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/20 11:03 PM |
| 1 | Still trying to leave the incel community because it's bad for my social anxiety for some reason, and finding it hardThanks man. Though tbh my moral anxiety is worse than that. Right now I want to send a friend who I have't spoken to for a little bit a meme/post it on her FB timeline, to show I'm thinking of her. My brain is saying this is a violation of her boundaries if she doesn't like it. | /r/ExRedPill | 28/11/20 06:01 PM |
| 2 | Still trying to leave the incel community because it's bad for my social anxiety for some reason, and finding it hardThank you! I'm sorry to hear about your brother I think I would be more of a misogynist if I wasn't profoundly aware of the ways my own socialisation and treatment mirrors women's, so I have empathy in that regard. Yeah, I have spoke to friends before who share similar fears of being slut-shamed, which is why it's annoying that my mind cannot use that to reassure myself (?) In this instance, this girl initiated conversation a few times including basically walking *into* me in the department stor… | /r/ExRedPill | 25/11/20 10:29 PM |
| 3 | Still trying to leave the incel community because it's bad for my social anxiety for some reason, and finding it hardHey RedPillDetox. Yeah I have been trying to stick to my hobbies, difficulties meeting people for them right now are the pandemic and lockdown, and also said above. I don't know if I could leave all gender politics behind, but there must be a more positive and growth-oriented way to go about this | /r/ExRedPill | 25/11/20 10:09 PM |
| 1 | Still trying to leave the incel community because it's bad for my social anxiety for some reason, and finding it hardHey thank you. I am in Men's Lib but I mostly lurkl to avoid ruining it with my baggage. I have tried to find hobby groups but finding group chats organically for my hobbies has proven difficult. I've developed fear of Facebook from avoiding it while in contemplation over how to move forward for so long, and that's where the communities seem to be. (Well, Discords through Reddit maybe?) I still have friends, I'm just feeling my ability to meet new people is waning... | /r/ExRedPill | 25/11/20 10:06 PM |
| 3 | Still trying to leave the incel community because it's bad for my social anxiety for some reason, and finding it hardLmao. Good bot | /r/ExRedPill | 25/11/20 09:49 PM |
| 5 | I asked Amnesty why they never raise awareness men's rights issues.Split The Difference are working on this, I believe. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/11/20 11:39 PM |
| 2 | My family's response to the Men's Day infographic. How would you guys have responded to them?There isn't a way to talk about this because she applied individualist framework to men but structural racism to black men. The reality is gender socialisation that causes men to attack each other is part of the same structural ism which is competition for resources AS black men, and black men get racially profiled for this. She can't know this because that's how wokeism rolls. Where I disagree with a lot of MRAs is that I think patriarchy is real, as in male hierarchy is real, *and* it is fuell… | /r/MensRights | 20/11/20 05:51 PM |
| 5 | This Men's Day the theme is Men's Health. Reminder that the US government spends less on men's health than women's healthI'm a cynic.I believe government funds women's healthcare to gain votes, but does not fund men's because there's no need to. Also, men get into power by being tradcons who dominate other men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/11/20 11:46 PM |
| 1 | A discussion on what drives status for men in societyWell hypergamy is driven by paternal investment. Speak to enough redpill women and you meet the ones who think that men who don't sign up to fatherhood should be subject to the electric chair | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/11/20 07:35 PM |
| 1 | Male advocates need an Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to crystallize the deep-rooted intellectual and moral corruption in the Misandrist American/Western establishmentI love any discussion of the history of ideas. Why do you say 1954? A very specific date. Are you blaming critical theory for our current state? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/11/20 01:30 AM |
| 3 | One of the best responses I have ever seen on any male advocacy subs, let alone r/Menslib.Doubly ironic considering Ford *also* has a book called 'Fight Like a Girl', | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/20 04:00 AM |
| 2 | One of the best responses I have ever seen on any male advocacy subs, let alone r/Menslib.I'm afraid that it's due to increased restrictions around the world, and that gender-based violence is going to rise once COVID's over. It's bittersweet to have noticed a relative armistice. But, it might genuinely finally be evolving. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/20 03:30 AM |
| 4 | One of the best responses I have ever seen on any male advocacy subs, let alone r/Menslib.Yeah this is what redpilled me. Fortunately the few close feminist friends I made are sane and let me call someone's shit out as long as I don't generalise. Several of them have encouraged me to form healthier boundaries. Of course if you catch feelings it's much harder because of hypergamy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/20 03:25 AM |
| 3 | After we broke up my ex was able to go on and have multiple flings while I have been struggling and I don't think I can accept thisThat's good. You're at the exact age when (sensible) men start to prioritise a good heart over a tight ass | /r/ExRedPill | 16/11/20 12:08 AM |
| 6 | After we broke up my ex was able to go on and have multiple flings while I have been struggling and I don't think I can accept thisHow old are you? I have to ask because this sounds like a typically immature relationship. Try to trust that most women (even the attractive ones) eventually grow up. Meantime you have to let go of this girl. She'll mature in some way without you, for better or worse. You're guaranteed not to mature unless you can draw a line that she's in your past, her life is none of your business (but also, her problems and issues are not your responsibility). it'll be OK dude. | /r/ExRedPill | 15/11/20 11:21 PM |
| 4 | Anybody else sick of people shit-talking of r/MensRights?I hear you, but that's unfortunately true. Look at how a poster child for anxiety is The fucking Rock. The right to victimhood needs to be normalised through successful people (celebrities, attractive people) who we feel have 'earned' the 'victim cad pass', before it reaches your average Joe and Jane. That's hierarchy for you... | /r/MensRights | 14/11/20 05:31 AM |
| 1 | I feel terrible. My friend got fed too much 'MRA has a right wing bias' from myself and I don't think he'll take us seriously anymore.He associates MRAs with conservatives, particularly the alt right, and regards us as a mostly reactionary force of Internet trolls who are at best privileged and at worst actively rolling back civil rights. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/11/20 12:10 AM |
| 1 | Ask LWMA weekly threadI'm.thinking of doing a discussion post on AOC and her rhetorical style, blatantly feminist inspired, and how we might expect to see this rise under Biden/post Trump; not sure where to post where it won't be a dumpster fire or end up with people calling me an incel I see genuine peos and cons to this style, but I know how dogmatic the left is on feminism.and.the right on their AOC hate | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/20 03:03 PM |
| 1 | I feel terrible. My friend got fed too much 'MRA has a right wing bias' from myself and I don't think he'll take us seriously anymore.Sorry, can you rephrase? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/20 01:30 PM |
| 11 | Let's face reality: the incoming administration is heavily misandrist and wants to defeat our goal of equalityDid anybody think otherwise? MRM will never be popular with either mainstream liberal party. Unfortunately a lot of the shitting on Trump, terrible as he is, is also necessary virtue signalling; many people who might otherwise give us a chance tune out when they hear some MRAs like Trump. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/20 07:17 PM |
| 5 | Let's face reality: the incoming administration is heavily misandrist and wants to defeat our goal of equality2 party politics. The left nearly imploded over whether people should vote for Biden or abandon hope in the democratic systems entirely There was 'Bernie or Bust' in 2016 and again 2019, it got worse once it was between Biden and Trump. Contrapoiints actually released a video taking the piss of and demolishing Tumblr leftists and leftbookers who refused to vote because that's bootlicking liberals or something. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/20 07:15 PM |
| 1 | I feel terrible. My friend got fed too much 'MRA has a right wing bias' from myself and I don't think he'll take us seriously anymore.Somebody reported this?! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/20 06:30 PM |
| 1 | I feel terrible. My friend got fed too much 'MRA has a right wing bias' from myself and I don't think he'll take us seriously anymore.Probably not? I can be unhealthily approval seeking. He encouraged me to abandon my FB political shitposting (which was generating MRA discourse often) and now I feel isolated and basically just studying like a normie. So maybe part of it is if I can convince him that MRAs aren't too bad he won't disapprove of me going back to social media. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/11/20 08:04 PM |
| 2 | I feel terrible. My friend got fed too much 'MRA has a right wing bias' from myself and I don't think he'll take us seriously anymore.He doesn't need to hide it, he's a default liberal without any foundation in political theory | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/11/20 08:01 PM |
| 6 | I feel terrible. My friend got fed too much 'MRA has a right wing bias' from myself and I don't think he'll take us seriously anymore.I mean, I don't disagree, but the context is he is routinely confiding his thoughts on the election to me | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/11/20 05:02 AM |
| 11 | I feel terrible. My friend got fed too much 'MRA has a right wing bias' from myself and I don't think he'll take us seriously anymore.Yeah, I try to do this sometimes. However, he genuinely does not believe that men have many issues besides maybe mental health, and that most MRA talk comes from a place of aggrieved entitlement to no longer being the centre of attention. He also associates it with fanboy nerds complaining about changes to nostalgic movies/games. It's funny that he reacted badly even to the name of 'Men's Lib' it's not even Michael Kimmel misandry, it's just passive indifference as a default. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/20 08:36 PM |
| 1 | There is no such thing as "the men's rights movement"If it's necessary to disclose, I'm an incel lol; I get you. I'm not approving of it, it's just the way it is | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/20 07:24 PM |
| 0 | There is no such thing as "the men's rights movement"Anything which implies, even unintentionally, that sex is a right is just fucking cancer for PR though. The left don't want to be associated with incels or potential rape apologists, and the tradcon right see don't want to be associated incels or pussies who cry because they can't compete with other men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/20 07:05 PM |
| 3 | There is no such thing as "the men's rights movement"Yep, I've called myself an 'egalitarian specialising in the advocacy of men's issues' for this purpose. It gets me in the back door with feminists, but, I'm also distrusted by a large contingent of both sides. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/20 07:02 PM |
| 2 | There is no such thing as "the men's rights movement"This doesn't make sense, sorry. Any issue which can be resolved by 'the right to be vulnerable' is already advocated for by feminists. This is good. The MRM exists for issues where it's required to challenge feminist doctrine. Usually this is because the problem is relating to gender socialisation and not simply institutional and political authority, which is (mostly) male. For whatever reason-MRA consensus tends to be due to biological hypergamy-you can either be a victim or you can be respecte… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/20 07:01 PM |
| 6 | What happened to Karen strahgan?I remember a few years ago there was a sharp shift into assuming that the Honeybadgers were on the grift. 'Honeypot Badgers' or something, they got called. It coincided with MGTOW deciding that all FeMRAs were either closet feminists or tradcons trying to get men back on the plantation (marriage+full-time work). I haven't found substantial evidence that this was true. On the other hand HBR have promoted the Ancap idea that 'welfare state=anti-men' for a long time now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/20 06:55 PM |
| 0 | Very Happy For Biden's Win, But...Correct, we had to choose between populism and radlibs, *if there were no fascists in the administration*, populism would be less risky, but there were so anti-fascism preceded MRA activity for me. Now that we're heading back to liberalism we can critique radlibs (theoretically) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/20 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Trying to engage with feminism and social justice in a healthy way which doesn't compromise my mental healthThank you! This (alongside the other replies) was really helpful. You make sense and when I'm feeling more...stable and present, I suppose, I intuitively practice it. But then stress hits and I need to categorise and control everything again :/ I'm hoping I'm not going to compulsively post here again in a few days... | /r/ExRedPill | 18/10/20 11:44 PM |
| 14 | Male humourThis seems better suited to Men's Lib or LeftWingMaleAdvocates I feel like it's strawmanning feminists a bit. I know women into edgy, dark (gallows) and surreal humour. My experience is that it's rape jokes and other bigoted things that have been cancelled, which is...not really a loss. | /r/ExRedPill | 18/10/20 04:06 AM |
| 2 | Right wing ideology is historically hostile to men deemed as ‘incels’, you know with the eugenics and attacking of low status men. Why do they still support it?I'm a bit confused on the question, sorry. Are you asking why do incels support the far right or why the far right support incels? Incels don't support the far right as much as they're vulnerable men pulled into it. What usually happens is that incels reach a certain point of despair about being alone that they then kind of...lose it and abandon *all* feminism and gender egalitarianism, flirting with traditionalism and criticisms of modernity...Then the far right swoop in, lending them a listeni… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/20 10:19 PM |
| 3 | How can I become a better ally to cis men?I would say immerse yourself in the various MRA literature and lore, bearing in mind a lot of it was built by tradcons so don't take it at face value, you'll maybe be better at seeing the flaws in the assumptions than cis men would be. Then in progressive spaces add your opinion and lived experience (without overt sealioning) and stand up to the rad-fems who are overtly misandrist. I accept that the MRM still has a lot of transphobes, esp. the more radically antifeminist, antiSJW and tradcon end… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/20 10:12 PM |
| 1 | How does left not understand that hating men will just turn more men to the right?I agree, however radical, socialist and anarchist feminists are all just as prone to misandry, it's just a little more legitimate and empirically backed. What can be done about that? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/20 09:20 PM |
| 5 | Do women really want single men to lower their standards or is it just victim-blaming?For the most part I largely abandoned incel and adjacent proto-MGTOW discussions because the answer is always the same: Thanks to feminism, lots of women have self-actualised. Women are generally already better socialised into tertiary/service sector capitalism, which means that the gig economy and neoliberal corportocracy pisses them off but doesn't disenfranchise them in quite the same way as the mass lay-offs of the primary and secondary sector did for men. While there is largely medical bias… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/20 12:44 PM |
| 1 | Debate outside the bubbleMan I've been trying to do this for years with limited success. Rules of conduct aren't enough to foster it. The only way to earn the respect of feminists is for more emphasis on 'activism' in the MRM. Same with the average citizen's perception of it. And they will always hold feminists to a lower standard of agency (that is, they don't have to do anything except not go out of their way to be terrible human beings to be seen as activists) because ironically *most* feminists are taking a conserva… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/20 12:06 PM |
| 11 | How Much of The Red Pill Is Just A Grift Meant to Take Advantage of Vulnerable Men?Well as you pointed out, it started from PUA which has always exploited the insecurities of socially awkward men in its marketing. TRP is a weird marriage of PUA with neoreactionary philosophy. | /r/ExRedPill | 04/09/20 01:22 AM |
| 4 | I got called an incel today. Am I an incel though?This is new to me, but I believe it's possible. I've only ever seen feminists argue the point using slut-shaming as the basis for the assumption of women's reduced libido. Can we have some sources please? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/20 01:18 AM |
| 27 | I got called an incel today. Am I an incel though?Since it's generally true that a) sex is easier for women to 'get' than men, as sexual selectors b) men have stronger sex drives than women it is assumed that all men want sex, and if they aren't pursuing it it's because it's not obtainable for them, which designates their sub-masculine social status. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/20 12:20 AM |
| 1 | Do you think the average woman thinks of men as being people too?^ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/20 12:06 AM |
| 2 | Women and men with mental health issues / traumaA huge part of feminism, for me at least, is recognising that our natural sexual desires aren't necessarily the most ethical standards from which to treat other people. That is, yes to some extent there is more than just social conditioning and internalisation of cultural norms going on, but the ethical response to that is not to take the instinct at face value and act upon it. It is to factor it in more holistically. I think this is a tough subject to balance because of how much of patriarchy i… | /r/ExRedPill | 02/09/20 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Ways to Promote Homosocial Bonding and Male SolidarityIt's a good point that I should practice what I preach. I've got a few guy friends who I really try and bond with. My last bit of activism I suppose counts, that was helping recovering addicts. Right now I'm mentoring an asylum seeker. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/20 06:52 PM |
| 3 | I’m so tired of being a male advocateI'm banned from so many fucking subs which have nothing to do with gender politics. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/20 12:21 AM |
| 2 | Denial of Being Complicit. A Rant.It's not specifically set against working class men, it's that the vast majority of funding goes to women because women are the majority of voters. (Sorry for a crappy answer, just had a nosebleed and had stuff come up at work; will come back to this with citations if you like in near future) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/20 12:02 AM |
| 8 | Denial of Being Complicit. A Rant.The misandry is an inevitable aspect of feminist praxis, though. While they don't think all men are terrible, they do think that women cannot be liberated from a mindset where they subordinate themselves to men-as-a-class (and particularly the ruling class patriarchs) without calling out men they view as sexist. As for the dismissal, well they're told that all men's problems come from the ruling class, which is mostly composed of men. And this is largely true, but it's so much easier to point fi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/20 12:03 AM |
| 12 | Denial of Being Complicit. A Rant.Feminism acculturates narcissism and gradually a sociopathic disregard to men-as-a-class in women because it's the principle of feminine empowerment with no stipulated endpoint. It's a combination of things we've discussed; infantilisation, male hyperagency, the weaponisation of fairly inevitable disparities in sexual and social dynamics and the structural and social removal of all expectations for accountability or reciprocity. All in the name of reparations for the sins of the fathers and exis… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/20 10:36 PM |
| 3 | I keep having older (sometimes significantly) friends, and other guy friends, confessing to an innocent crush on me. I'm flattered but in contrast to lack of interest from women my age (mid-late 20s) it's hard not to interpret it through red pill theory.That's a really good point! It's just the phenomenon of friends acting in a way which could fit any number of patterns but isn't a single ordered pattern? | /r/ExRedPill | 23/08/20 02:28 AM |
| 1 | I keep having older (sometimes significantly) friends, and other guy friends, confessing to an innocent crush on me. I'm flattered but in contrast to lack of interest from women my age (mid-late 20s) it's hard not to interpret it through red pill theory.I...never said I thought of myself as emotionally mature, and I grasp that maturity goes beyond biology to emotions. I picked developmental phases because they can be, and a lot of people treat them as, indicative of putting emotional maturity into action. | /r/ExRedPill | 23/08/20 02:15 AM |
| 2 | I keep having older (sometimes significantly) friends, and other guy friends, confessing to an innocent crush on me. I'm flattered but in contrast to lack of interest from women my age (mid-late 20s) it's hard not to interpret it through red pill theory.I can see this happening, like benevolent sexism? I really try not to do that, especially anything patronising, but it gets hard to not be more attentive than usual once I develop a crush. | /r/ExRedPill | 23/08/20 02:14 AM |
| 3 | What is the Apex Fallacy?I love your IG, dude | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/08/20 10:47 PM |
| 7 | Why do men's advocacy groups spend so much time focusing on their experiences with women?What alternative paradigm would you like to see? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/08/20 10:46 PM |
| 3 | Is there any explanation for why so many women say they want male vulnerability, yet so many feel disgusted at men sharing their feelings?The redpill bio-determinist explanation is hypergamy. There is the constructivist/materialist approach that a lot of radlibs have internalised patriarchal capitalist hierarchies | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/08/20 01:51 PM |
| 1 | Where can I find good articles about male loneliness without mentions of "toxic masculinity" ?Ask what you want to find in the article instead of what you don't want to find. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/20 10:41 PM |
| 2 | Models by Mark Mansion queryI've read Models many years ago at the same time as The Rational Male and I'm pretty sure Mark predates Rollo. Mark is an ex PUA but closer to Neil Strauss than the Manosphere. He has raised some critiques of modern feminist praxis but he isn't politically antifeminist, that is, therefore his writing does not start from the premise "your circumstances are because of feminism" whereas Rollo's does. He's more into behavioural pathology and attachment theory from what I saw. There's maybe a little … | /r/ExRedPill | 16/08/20 01:40 AM |
| 4 | Why the red pill is bashing single mothers and sons from a single mom household?Poverty is not a mindset, it is a material phenomenon where-ever there is a side disproportionately losing out to a disparity in access to resources for survival. This is idealistic liberal BS, sorry. | /r/ExRedPill | 16/08/20 01:35 AM |
| 2 | Why the red pill is bashing single mothers and sons from a single mom household?I think this is broadly true. I would like to point out that sometimes the mother was legitimately unreasonable, and that this needs validating without necessarily validating that this is a systemic bias against men as redpillers and MRA-MGTOW claim it is. Even the author of the toxic masculinity thesis, Raewyn Connell, speculated whether patriarchy (I'll define it here as illegitimate authority of fathers over others) was held in capacity in the home anymore. In most cases however it's just tha… | /r/ExRedPill | 16/08/20 01:32 AM |
| 1 | My helicopter mum's need to micro-manage me, visit every day possible and inability to truly respect my personal space makes me feel afraid of general relationships with women, and ashamed.Hey. So I...lost my keys. She has the spares and she is absolutely railing at me for asking for hers back. | /r/ExRedPill | 05/08/20 10:21 PM |
| 7 | I decided to test whether AITA is sexist or notThe entirety of Reddit outside TRP and MRA places has a gynocentric bias | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/08/20 07:27 PM |
| 5 | Why is Jordan Peterson banned in this sub-reddit?He describes tendencies in gendered behaviour, but people deprogramming from TRP are likely to use this to prescribe behaviour on people. His views are also broadly heteronormative. | /r/ExRedPill | 04/08/20 02:39 PM |
| 2 | Getting past the need to impress women, thinking about my place in the 'SMV' hierarchy and be able to do my thingthis one: https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/hzkhwr/getting_past_the_need_to_impress_women_thinking/g004qey/ | /r/ExRedPill | 02/08/20 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Getting past the need to impress women, thinking about my place in the 'SMV' hierarchy and be able to do my thingThank you, and ahh sorry, I wasn't very clear. I meant on the 'popularity/status anxiety' issues I have sometimes with female friends and pretty much always with crushes (my last comment) The comment below saying "hey! Sorry I missed this" etc. Idk how to screenshot or link on Reddit mobile | /r/ExRedPill | 02/08/20 11:10 AM |
| 1 | Getting past the need to impress women, thinking about my place in the 'SMV' hierarchy and be able to do my thingI'm glad that worked for you, dude. I've definitely cut down on it a bit, but there are people who while I've never met in person, I feel close to now and would want to keep in touch. (We contact each other by other means, but I worry that won't last if I leave entirely.) | /r/ExRedPill | 02/08/20 01:48 AM |
| 8 | Ugly men have a right to be angryIdk about you, but I think somebody taught them to blame feminism. | /r/ExRedPill | 02/08/20 12:50 AM |
| 4 | Ugly men have a right to be angryI agree with you, and think that you're basically agreeing with me. They have body dysmorphia and some sort of mood disorder + social anxiety at the very least-autism is common too. And for whatever reason rather than trying to address it as a mental health issue, they've approached it as a political issue. Tbh it's just as common that they were groomed into thinking it's a political issue, and this is my main concern. The Alt Right would rather they were depressed enough to radicalise into anti… | /r/ExRedPill | 02/08/20 12:43 AM |
| 1 | Getting past the need to impress women, thinking about my place in the 'SMV' hierarchy and be able to do my thingum...can you help me on the second aspect, please? | /r/ExRedPill | 01/08/20 11:50 PM |
| 9 | Ugly men have a right to be angryMost incels aren't ugly, they're depressed | /r/ExRedPill | 01/08/20 11:48 PM |
| 2 | Getting past the need to impress women, thinking about my place in the 'SMV' hierarchy and be able to do my thingHey! Sorry I missed this. Ahh thank you for explaining this. That's part of it, although I'm pretty good at nurturing close friendships with good guy friends as it is. The other aspect is I just don't want to get insecure about the fact that a girl friend (or maybe, at some point, a girlfriend) is more popular etc. than me. Cos that might happen, has happened in the past. I see their FB popularity or 'IRL' popularity as something I need to catch up to and match, or they wouldn't have reason to d… | /r/ExRedPill | 01/08/20 05:36 PM |
| 2 | Looking to build a list of academic papers and titles critiquing feminism. Any thoughts?It's pretty good. I think my favourite chapter so far (I only read a selection) was about the issue of women's consciousness raising groups, beyond just racism/standpoint theory. Does still have the ubiqitous misandry-vents though. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/20 11:18 PM |
| 1 | Getting past the need to impress women, thinking about my place in the 'SMV' hierarchy and be able to do my thingHi, thanks for your message. I've tried to cut down on it, but during lock-down it has been a lifeline to keep in touch people. And I don't have too many friends locally, a least not those who relate to my quirks. I've also had to keep at it for working on social anxiety. I would love to try DBT but the only thing I've been offered for the last ten years is CBT. The last thing I faced was just intolerance of uncertainty experiments like ERP, but playing "everyone is going to leave me if I fail" … | /r/ExRedPill | 29/07/20 11:12 AM |
| 2 | Getting past the need to impress women, thinking about my place in the 'SMV' hierarchy and be able to do my thingYeah I won't pretend that FDS doesn't upset me. Even though I recognise it's toxic, it's hard to break out of because there seems to be some truth to it, this idea of hierarchies. It bothers me less when I'm in one to one situations or group chats, but it's really bad when I'm scrolling through my feed and see somebody got 60 likes whereas I got 5. I wonder if I developed this mindset due to going to an all boys' school. (The idea I need to use secondary things like education and money to attrac… | /r/ExRedPill | 28/07/20 08:47 PM |
| 1 | Getting past the need to impress women, thinking about my place in the 'SMV' hierarchy and be able to do my thingIt's 'sexual market value', a red pill term which tries to systemise people's attractiveness into a concrete hierarchy. While I know now that sexuality is much more fluid and diverse, and I'm an LGBTQ rights advocate, at the personal level I still struggle to feel like I'm not 'low SMV' because of a) the lack of attention and compliments compared to most of my female friends and peers b) the insults and bullying, admittedly mostly from men, though some women have sometimes attacked me too | /r/ExRedPill | 28/07/20 07:22 PM |
| 1 | How Patriarchy Theory hamstrings feminist approaches to addressing men's issues.Stanton's Convention wasn't fringe feminism though; it was NAWSA's original manifesto | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/20 09:48 PM |
| 2 | How Patriarchy Theory hamstrings feminist approaches to addressing men's issues.I'm confused. Patriarchy theory extends backs to Elizabeth Cady Stanton's Seneca Falls Convention, nothing '21st' century about it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/20 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Has anyone read Helen Smith's 'Men on Strike'? If yes, does it hold up? Is it a valid progressive MRA argument?Thanks for your take! This is partially what I was worried about, is it basically just political rhetoric then? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/20 08:58 PM |
| 5 | Could it be that Feminism has naturally decayed into an advocacy group?Your post could be summarised with the q.: Is the dominant strand of Feminism in the Western and particularly Anglophone world bourgeois? And the answer is yes of course it is. Feminists literally secured the UN's promise to support their goals back in 1979. Everything after this has just been consolidation of tht mandate. Of course changing culture doesn't happen overnight, but legally speaking they already 'won', and what's left for us is to figure out how to stop the bourgeois feminist withou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/20 10:29 PM |
| 4 | I am a refugee from menslib. Glad to have found this community.It's what the Left would call 'class reductionist. This is part of the problem; seems to be all-or-nothing, either you have to embrace ALL the intersectional feminist dogma at face value, or you have to reject applying materialism to socialisation, which is absurd. Even though I am critical of feminism, the ideas of the leftist feminists are things I incorporate into my theory of gender. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/20 12:34 PM |
| 3 | The main 2 reasons why the men's movement is gatekept broadly by the Right; feminist dominance over progressive and public sector institutions and frameworks, and the threat narrative of being an incel if you support leftismIt depends. If you mean Democrats by left then yeah, they're both as bad as each other for men's issues. Not sure if outright leftist spaces would be worse, Erin Pizzey said the labour movements were co-opted by the rad-fems...I am perhaps foolishly putting my faith in them, though (I score libertarian left on political compasses) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/20 03:13 AM |
| 2 | Another girl flirted with me but I got scared to approach.Yes, I'm an MRA (on a break from the MRM) so I completely understand the agency gap frustration. But you'd be contributing to the problem to decide this girl's agency for her. How can she, or the next girl, exercise agency if you don't give her the opportunity to do so? | /r/ExRedPill | 24/07/20 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Another girl flirted with me but I got scared to approach.I have GAD and am recovering from gynophobia, friend. I'm no lothario, trust me. | /r/ExRedPill | 24/07/20 12:55 AM |
| 4 | Another girl flirted with me but I got scared to approach.You can't read her mind so even if this is a common outcome or experience, you can't determine how she's going to react. Nor should you project how 'women' react or how other women you've met have reacted onto her. Let her have her own agency, embrace the uncertainty. If you respect her as a person, which you must to crush on her, then you'll give her the freedom to (maybe) prove you wrong. | /r/ExRedPill | 24/07/20 12:52 AM |
| 3 | Why has the cultural phenomenon of "Karens" not sparked a larger discussion about female entitlement? Why do I still only hear about male entitlement?We know the consequences of such actions and speaking up against it would build bridges, which is something I think an advocate should do. Only thing is, it'd build bridges with uhh white middle class women, bridges to tradcon land mainly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/20 12:31 AM |
| 1 | Why has the cultural phenomenon of "Karens" not sparked a larger discussion about female entitlement? Why do I still only hear about male entitlement?This is...a good concern, although it circles back to the principle of reciprocity and the moral high ground. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/20 12:29 AM |
| 2 | Why has the cultural phenomenon of "Karens" not sparked a larger discussion about female entitlement? Why do I still only hear about male entitlement?Yeah. The entire Karen discourse emerged from white women either protesting wearing masks or protesting BLM; they want to de-sex the problem. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 11:58 PM |
| 2 | Why are men so eager to strong-man posture and downplay misandry?Been said a lot of times but a successful MRA is a man who doesn't give a shit about being an incel | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 11:55 PM |
| 1 | Why are men so eager to strong-man posture and downplay misandry?Because real menTM are sexy=burden of performancei.e. male hyper-agency | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 11:53 PM |
| 2 | What do you think of exredpill?If you bear in mind that it serves first and foremost as a feminist space to discourage violence and only harassment against women, secondly as a mental health rehab clinic for men damaged by TRP (on Men's Lib praxis) then it's fine. But it's naturally gynocentric. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 08:19 PM |
| 3 | MensLib deleted my postLol I was banned from there months ago | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/20 10:00 PM |
| 12 | Red pill opinion on menAs far as jealousy goes, the problem is it's instinctive to protect friends and partners, but it's possessive and controlling if done in an unregulated manner and it's a tactic abusive partners use to keep an isolate their abused spouse. Clearly there is a difference between healthy concern for the wellbeing of a partner and stopping them living their life. There's also a history in patriarchy of fathers over-protecting their daughters from other men. On the subject of insecurity they are somewh… | /r/ExRedPill | 19/07/20 11:02 PM |
| 5 | Why do some women get disinterested in the men they find intellectual and smart, whom they like previously ?Yeah, I appreciate that. The arrogance and ego thing. Codependency can be common. It's hard for me not to take these criticisms of my own flaws personally though, and I would feel extremely uncomfortable judging you as being (the negatives) because of it. Also I feel I'm over-correcting on the bluepill thing back to "women are better than men and it's misogyny to claim otherwise", it's very hard for me to get to "people are people" | /r/ExRedPill | 19/07/20 06:20 PM |
| 15 | Why do some women get disinterested in the men they find intellectual and smart, whom they like previously ?From my experience, one of the following: Not hot Smarts didn't attract into success IRL Not funny/witty Without these, being 'intellectual' just comes across as a combination of obnoxious and awkward. Source: I'm 'high functioning' autistic and definitely lose women's interest by lacking status or a comprehensive social skill set.Most men aren't impressive to women, and being intelligent means shit when most Millennial and gen Z women out-earn and out-qualify their male peers. Also,I'm told I'm… | /r/ExRedPill | 19/07/20 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Will manosphere infighting get worse from here on?capitalism turned sex into a social currency I believe that modern capitalism at least has alienated men and women and that both the mode and means of production, that being the service/tertiary sector economy, profits from exacerbating hypergamy, which ironically gives men less time to develop relations with women that increase their chances of getting laid | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/20 01:27 AM |
| 1 | Will manosphere infighting get worse from here on?Where did you hear that about libertarians being fascist accelerationists? Leftbook, who are biased, so #notall but generally I have seen libertarian MRAs I know of a socially conservative persuasion eventually hit a point where they say that they will support the state targeting socialists, anarchists and feminists. Or at very least, apologising for when the tradcons do this And what solutions do social Democrats bring to the table? They weaken men's position to naturally lead How do they? the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/20 01:23 AM |
| 2 | Vice President of National Coaltion for Men Was Murdered Today - Here he is on the Red Pill Documentary. Thoughts and Prays for his Family. He was a lawyer who secured major wins for the rights of men and boys that everyone in society benifits from. Im shocked at his tragic murderSeconded big time. This is a tragic incident and does nothing to change my opinion that both government and corporations are nefarious actors. When I first joined lib right MRAs, who did rightfully point to corruption and bureaucracy in the apparatus of the state, they promised to challenge both; now they lick Bezo's boots and 'accidentally' share Prager videos while mainly bashing single mothers and unemployed men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/20 12:38 AM |
| 2 | OK, is anyone else bothered by how they are stereotyping the COVID-19 situation as "women are more effective than men"?If they write feminism for NYT, their feminism is bourgeois. Keep it simple, guys. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/20 12:18 AM |
| 2 | Will manosphere infighting get worse from here on?The in-fighting is necessary. Riddle me this: If the Reactionary Right is defined by a criticism of liberal Enlightenment natural rights theory but in a combination of a Hobbesian world and an ancient despotic 'might makes right' form of natural law, then how the hell are they meant to stand for 'men's rights'? Weak men aren't meant to have rights, they're meant to earn their right to the franchise or fucking die a filthy peasant. (Not what I believe, but a consistently anti-liberal position oug… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/20 12:12 AM |
| 1 | Anyone interested in writing articles on men's issues ?!I like it! I write similar stuff. But I'm afraid it's too theoretical/philosophical for the legal lobby, that's why I'm hesitant to put my name down (as a writer, I'm subscribed now) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/20 02:19 AM |
| 1 | The high standards of women.Rule no. 1 of Western tradcons: They're feminist at heart, traditional and conservative only when it suits. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/20 10:48 PM |
| 2 | Improvements for men under alternate economic systemsI think yes, reduction of capitalism would support men; feminism and specifically artificial gynocentrism relies upon capitalism. But I basically had tradcon women tell me that if this happened, women would just stop having sex with men until they started being good providers (read: more er, capitalist.) They could not conceive of any reason to support anti-capitalism which wasn't based in politics of envy (i.e. "I want to be a hot rich guy who attracts beautiful women, it's not fair that he has… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/20 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Anyone interested in writing articles on men's issues ?!This looks fantastic. I feel it's out of my league though. My specialism is theory, which is...well. Strokes my ego, creates a mess for you all. I've sent it out to a few friends/advocates I respect. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/20 10:30 PM |
| 1 | The Women Are Wonderful Effect Behind "Pick Me" Call-outsOf course this is because feminism is a political project, in a sense about gynocentrism but only about feminists' own perception of what constitutes gynocentrism, which given women aren't a hive-mind will never be universal. Unfortunately this Gotcha for feminism is for me also an elephant in the room to developing solidarity between men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/20 10:12 PM |
| 5 | The Spit - How to go back to normalcy and break free from TRP ToxicityGood post, actually. if a bit blase. The major issue I think is the high presence of men with autism and very likely anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorders taking solace in TRP as a comprehensive and coherent systemised approach to human interaction. It gives them an illusion of control. Don't go to the gym and forget about fashion or meditation or anything else. Cut on self-improvement. This may sound bad, but all the self-imporvement you've been making was done from the perspective and intent… | /r/ExRedPill | 12/07/20 09:18 PM |
| 2 | The SISTER of the iconic and pioneering feminst, K Millet, who INVENTED modern patriarchy theory, is an anti-feminist, and she reveals how mentally distrubed her sister and these feminist icons were - there is no place for false theories such as patriarchy and hate speech in egalitarianismSiblings from dysfunctional householdsgrow up to be political extremists with polarised views on how to handle their own trauma? I am shocked. But kudos for this research. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/20 04:29 PM |
| 1 | My opinion on toxic masculinity and the need for a better, more productive termI get the issue with the Oppressor/Oppressed Dichotomy if you don't like Hegelian dialectics, but...what exactly is wrong with an analysis of power and rulership? In the theory this is what they are assessing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/20 11:25 PM |
| 1 | My opinion on toxic masculinity and the need for a better, more productive termThe original term was 'hegemonic masculinity'... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/20 09:48 PM |
| 1 | The pressure to perform because there is always somebody who can offer more value than you meaning there is no actual respite to be yourself leads young men to easy solutionsI'm sure there are, but despite 1000 Facebook friends I only get a random assortment of 50 odd men commenting on all my posts. We're still in lockdown so I can't meet anybody in the outside world.. | /r/ExRedPill | 07/07/20 12:55 AM |
| 1 | The pressure to perform because there is always somebody who can offer more value than you meaning there is no actual respite to be yourself leads young men to easy solutionsMostly introverted stuff lol. Philosophy and politics at the moment. It's hard for me to make time for hobbies because I'm in therapy | /r/ExRedPill | 07/07/20 12:39 AM |
| 1 | The pressure to perform because there is always somebody who can offer more value than you meaning there is no actual respite to be yourself leads young men to easy solutionsYou are of course right. Sometimes I fear being honest about struggling with mental health or confidence one day is being either a) unattractive or b) an energy vampire. I try not to bother people with my problems but sometimes it's overwhelming. | /r/ExRedPill | 06/07/20 09:09 PM |
| 1 | The pressure to perform because there is always somebody who can offer more value than you meaning there is no actual respite to be yourself leads young men to easy solutionsOh jeez I posted something similar here 3 weeks ago. yeah this is a bit of anxiety loop, sorry | /r/ExRedPill | 06/07/20 04:30 PM |
| 10 | ExRedPill has fallen down a bit, but hear me out.I think there is some truth to this but still I hold that there needs to be more examples of female/femme vulnerability and struggle here. The narrative that 'woman makes a civilised man out of a beast' needs to die out, women are people and people are complicated. Yet for whatever reason it seems it's almost always women guiding men, women having already figured out reality by 21 or something. Without this you're also setting up a bit of a Madonna/Whore complex and a LOT of benevolent sexism to… | /r/ExRedPill | 05/07/20 11:49 PM |
| 2 | Patriarchy as sexual socialism for men and feminism as sexual capitalismI only know of 2 ways to crush thirst. Well besides the obvious. One is abundance mentality and that's more psychologically building self control to resist sycophantic compulsions arising from the thirst than actually crushing the thirst. The other is physiological self harm; sleep deprivation and SSRIs in my case. I've never been more androcentric than when having anorgasmia, but I've also been very depressed by that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/20 03:54 AM |
| 2 | Do both sides of the debate matter?Of course. We need the blue pill (feminist) perspective to better understand women's issues and lived experience, and then we need red pill because feminism has given women the freedom to be shitty people sometimes, and some guys need protection from those women. Overall though I take the opinion that absolute power corrupts absolutely and it is mainly market forces which make women treat men in the SMP badly, just as it was market forces that gave women little bargaining power in the political … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/20 03:39 AM |
| 1 | Trauma expert Gabor Maté says that people are becoming more immature in society - could this explain Red Pill men and women to some extent, especially if "poor taste" in partners is increasing?Thanks! Will def save it to check out soon | /r/ExRedPill | 04/07/20 10:07 PM |
| 11 | Trauma expert Gabor Maté says that people are becoming more immature in society - could this explain Red Pill men and women to some extent, especially if "poor taste" in partners is increasing?Yes capitalism produces damaged people, or at least is willing to risk producing them in the name of profit. | /r/ExRedPill | 04/07/20 12:43 AM |
| 2 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?I would consider it something of a power structure, yes. I know the issue with feminists and the UN at the top; CEDAW etc. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 04:19 PM |
| 6 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?The education gap hypocrisy IS something I am concerned by. I see this as a mixture of anti-male sentiment and bourgeois elitism towards the prole tbh. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 12:14 PM |
| 3 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?Any sexism that benefits men is in fact just benevolent sexism, for men I actually agree with this, the admiration and reverence that comes with status is a trap in its own right. I see your point about the word benevolent being problematic all round | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 03:05 AM |
| 2 | Gendemic, a new progressive pro male website.I also feel like this tbh. Interdisciplinary approaches aren't inherently bigoted, and they are in fact meant to be inclusive! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 02:39 AM |
| 0 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?As I said to somebody else, it goes both ways. It is in fact, both! You could argue from the feminist perspective that it's misogyny that women are or were assumed to be too fragile to handle a lot of the public sphere. Which is how chivalry once manifested. Not quite the same these days. But that belief binds men to disposability, because obviously if women aren't allowed to contribute, then they can't help. And that belief was pervasive once. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 02:30 AM |
| 7 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?Can you give an example of something which should not conclude that women are the true victims does? I get shit from both camps because I just subscribe to the general notion of sexism affecting men and women alike. It goes both ways. You would think this would be simple enough for people to understand and support but nope. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 02:26 AM |
| 1 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?Oh I definitely think that the MRM can be just as ideological. The claim that all hard power is nullified by 'female soft power' is a case in point. We could just say that men are controlled by their thirst-how embarrassing for us. As to this issue, well I was talking to a teacher friend aware of MRA discourse and they proposed part of the issue is that boys receive more attention from their teachers, period. Is that an advantage or disadvantage? We couldn't decide. I agree however that practica… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 02:07 AM |
| -7 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?They are privileged because of benevolent sexism, i.e. chivalry + the assumption women are especially vulnerable and need protection from reality. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 01:58 AM |
| 3 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?How am I falling for the apex fallacy? Yes I'm aware of the 'benevolent sexism'/thirst and romanticised vision those Boomers in government have of women. Also of middle management, it is absolutely dominated by women. That was a missing element in materialist theories of old and liberal ideologies too. But what exactly comes of us conceding all this power to women? And more importantly how are you going to prove this in a respectable manner to the electorate? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 01:57 AM |
| 0 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?^ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 01:52 AM |
| -3 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?What if it was hard power being controlled with soft power? I just said that that's a factor, but at the same time nobody can prove this in a way which would be respected in the social sciences. It's basically a story that powerful men are thirsty losers and it's because of that thirst all other men are screwed. It's sexual reductivism And what would you classify the multi-billion dollar feminist lobbying industry as? An NGO corporate chain Some of these laws may have been passed by majority mal… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 01:51 AM |
| 4 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?That's why I put 'benevolent' in quotes. Also I don't think sexism and misogyny are synonymous. Sexism includes female chauvinism for me | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/20 01:40 AM |
| 1 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?Blind advocacy for women That would just make somebody a gynocentrist or a simp. I do not think that you can be a simp and a comrade in left-wing men's issues wilful ignorance of the direct harm that feminist campaigns have done to men and men's rights issues I agree with this, although note that 5. is ultimately late 1st wave Marxism, rather than feminism in origin, as a thought germ. It was feminists who ran with it of course. As to the others, see my comment re: systemic discrimination. Consi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/20 11:04 PM |
| -13 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?Oof yeah OK that's a doozy. I think it's complicated. It's mostly men in hard institutional positions of authority, this is a fact. In fact, the claim of men having to gain status to satisfy hypergamy relies upon acknowledgement of this. Women have a lot of 'soft power' in the system which causes them to perpetuate dynamics; sex, consumer spending, socialisation of children, moral gatekeeping, 'benevolent' sexism/chivalry and courtly love, emotional manipulation largely because of the historical… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/20 11:01 PM |
| 7 | Is anyone getting tired of the feminist trolls trying to bully this sub into being explicitly pro feminist?What are the core feminist beliefs you're opposed to? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/20 10:51 PM |
| 2 | r/MensRights is a right-wing hate sub – true, or "misandrist"?Diversity in the broad MRM? Sure. In the A Voice For Men network, really not very much imo. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/20 10:39 PM |
| -10 | r/MensRights is a right-wing hate sub – true, or "misandrist"?It's de facto right wing, simultaneously saying that male disposability is terrible while shilling for traditionalist and capitalist hierarchical structures and value systems. Because of this I think that they restrict themselves from most liberation discourse type analyses, which is what leads to the hate. Hate is just a consequence of negative bonding and negative equality ("men will always suffer, so women should suffer more with them") once constructive solutions and co-operative praxis is o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/20 02:22 PM |
| 2 | Its a miracle our MRA subreddits are still here, somehow we survived the latest purgea) Spez is a feminist b) Women are the big social media consumer market, the money goes where they go and the 'equality and diversity' guidelines go where the money goes Nothing will change til that changes | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/06/20 11:21 AM |
| 3 | So. I wanted to ask what people in this sub think of this edit of a popular comic that was passed around online a few years ago.On muh oppressive dating expectations both feminists and MRAs are bad at each other, difference is outside of MRA this shit for men is taboo | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/06/20 11:19 AM |
| 6 | All these redpill vids I used to watch and never once saw a guy blame himself for his relationship problems.TRP is meant to be androcentric/male-centred. That warps one's perspective on reality after a while because not surprisingly, adopting a self-centred perspective makes you self-centred lol. With that said gynocentrism (female-centred approach) isn't the solution either and a lot of these guys behave like chronic people-pleasers IRL, at least this was the main group that related heterodox communities were trying to help earlier on. While there is a lot of bullshit on the TRP sidebar, there are a … | /r/ExRedPill | 30/06/20 10:10 AM |
| 3 | Would a "gay pill" solve the incel/MGTOW/hypergamy problem?...I mean, it really doesn't have to be a grand action plan or military operation. Not to be all 'back in my day we read books and played outside!' but Millennials and Zoomers just spend a lot of time online, and in the case of a lot of socially awkward guys who heavily use the Internet (i.e. the main at-risk group for succumbing to incel ideology), the way that women interact on and seem to monopolise social media has warped their perception of how women behave IRL. A lot of women are still shi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/06/20 11:44 PM |
| 4 | Would a "gay pill" solve the incel/MGTOW/hypergamy problem?The fact that women find attractive men/people attractive is not a problem in any way, at least not a human rights issue. I won't dwell on it, but it is important to consider that cis-het men are not cis-het women and therefore do not always have an accurate idea of what those women find attractive as individual women. It's not like lusting for a pretty boy is just a social construct, but peer pressure plays a huge part in women's choices especially when younger-and men's. Body pos advocates are… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/06/20 01:55 PM |
| 4 | Critique of and an attempt at reconciling the paradox of hypergamy and women's self-reported anecdotal negative lived experiences with menSome really interesting ideas here! You've clearly thought this through and worked on this mini-essay. Thanks. I'll need to really get stuck into this another time, but it does seem to be that constant dilemma where we had to make changes for women's sake, but now we have gone 'gynocentric'. In this instance, it's not really possible to just 'treat men and women the same' exactly because you can't apply blank slate theory to sexuality. The tradcon solution being to just reverse that back to the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/06/20 01:24 PM |
| 1 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.We're probably getting lost in translation. For me feminism goes back to pre-suffrage arguments on the ontology of sex. However, you might be saying that suffragist strain=egalitarianism, while suffragette strain=feminism. That would make sense. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/20 06:18 PM |
| 1 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.Feminism absolutely exploits tradcon biases | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/20 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Critique of and an attempt at reconciling the paradox of hypergamy and women's self-reported anecdotal negative lived experiences with menWell that's the paradox, what the hell can we do about the trend to blame betas for the behaviour of alphas, for want of a better word, to be better than alphas? Given that by and large, women and men alike only care about what alpha males think anyway? Can you blame the guy for embracing the social constructivist position when we're caught in a trap? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/20 02:10 PM |
| 3 | Critique of and an attempt at reconciling the paradox of hypergamy and women's self-reported anecdotal negative lived experiences with menThat they would choose to associate powerful abusive men over powerless men, and then feminists politicise that into a problem which men without power or influence in society and therefore a real ability to do shit about it have to solve. Again, is it a bit of an incel rant? Well yes a bit. But in the case of this phenomenon this is just plain fact. If society does not respect our opinions, which tend to be more aligned with women's interests and wellbeing than the high SDO men who are favoured … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/20 02:08 PM |
| 2 | Critique of and an attempt at reconciling the paradox of hypergamy and women's self-reported anecdotal negative lived experiences with mencompete and be the best man you can be. It is generally biological, yes. Is the trend towards calling men selfish and lacking empathy biological though? Is it biological for women to collectively blame men as a class for the men with high social dominance orientation? Is it biological for them to be oblivious to or indifferent to the thoughts and actions of the men with a lower SDO despite nagging these guys otherwise? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/20 01:32 PM |
| -1 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.The left started non-feminist, to disengage from all feminist concerns we'd basically have to promote family values/functionalist social conservatism under leftist economics. Of course I am using a very broad tradition for what I consider feminist value systems here, going back to Engels' Origin of The Family. I'm a liberal progressive socially, so this leaves me at an impasse | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/20 12:37 AM |
| 1 | on "toxic masculinity"I read some of Susan Faludi's Backlash recently and she tried to do a hitpiece on the Mythopoetic movement. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 05:19 PM |
| 1 | on "toxic masculinity"She's a Marxist radfem who believes that the liberal (capitalist+individualist) value of dominance hierarchies is the root of violence and oppression. I haven't read Will to Change but I have some of her feminist theory book From margin to centre, so thank you for sharing! Would be interesting to compare. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 05:16 PM |
| 5 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.Feminism is by definition gynocentric epistemic standpoint though, so will always foster gynocentrism. Like there is no way around reducing gynocentrism without someone saying "so you want women to be less happy and free?" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 04:56 PM |
| 2 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.Saying "criticising feminism has to be limited because many MRAs' only personality is frothing with rage at feminism" is not a valid argument. Honestly, I can understand many MRAs' frustrations with feminism Jeez, I never said never be angry, but we've been making these same talking points for years | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 04:45 PM |
| 4 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.That's inevitable if people don't know how to lobby and organise IRL though. Or what papers and laws to be looking at, who to go to to challenge it, etc. You get rad (deconstructivist) left when citizens become disengaged from the democratic process, and in particular when the state disrespects said process. Catherine MacKinnon is but one of many legal feminists, online MRAs are limited in their training and resources in this matter. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 04:08 PM |
| -2 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.What part of 'blame traditionalism' ignores criticising women? You ever heard of tradthots? MRM and antiSJW is flooded with cryptofascist and 'libertarian' tradthots. And the reason criticising feminism has to be limited is because in many other MRA hubs, it quickly becomes a guy's only personality to froth with rage at either feminism in abstract or specific feminisms and feminists and feminist things. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 04:05 PM |
| 3 | Why does no one acknowledge Women are not open to dating autistic/non neurotipical men most of the time?This is certainly true for some guys on the spectrum often, and for many on the spectrum sometimes. But on the other hand, it's not as if they have many opportunities to learn the nuances of social communication. Also, I think your sentence at the top should be either 'women have to make a real effort to stick out' or 'women have made a real effort to have social skills and be normal'. And that is largely because of peer pressure. (Not saying it is a good thing, just amoral) | /r/ExRedPill | 27/06/20 12:02 AM |
| 1 | I really don't think women understand the dating experiences of young menwould have to PM, sorry, or we're brigaging I think | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 11:42 PM |
| 1 | I really don't think women understand the dating experiences of young menGood post! Alas, I must warn you, I made a similar one 4 years ago for PPD. Spent 3 whole days on writing it IIRC. Was on the 'Depth Hub' for a while, now it's gone and I'm forgotten. Nobody's mind has been changed. I unsubbed today, that sub just seems to be narcissists arguing with each other about who's sexier while shitting on incels. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 11:41 PM |
| 2 | I really don't think women understand the dating experiences of young menMost feminists are liberal feminists, by which I mean bourgeoisie | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 11:35 PM |
| 1 | I really don't think women understand the dating experiences of young menJeez the exredpill sub trashed the dude talking about Grace for some reason | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 11:28 PM |
| 1 | I think we are part of the problem.Four corners of an attack on androcentrism: Identity politics Feminism Capitalism Traditionalism This is an issue with left AND right. And with liberals too. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 11:24 PM |
| 1 | The anti-redpill de-radicalisation subs aren't helping much, nor is the 'red pill debate' groupSorry, I was saying this is what the feminist/gynocentric assumptions are I think that you mean that a structural problem is a problem with the entire group instead of just the individual in question. Yes, that is what I believe, but that is not how many structural male issues are treated by those who only see structural sexism harming women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 11:19 PM |
| 2 | The anti-redpill de-radicalisation subs aren't helping much, nor is the 'red pill debate' groupMark Manson said as much! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 11:18 PM |
| 2 | I think we are part of the problem.How is this a directionless circlejerk? Seems a clear direction to me. The reason MRAs radicalise to the Right is largely because of tradcons only ever engaging with liberal feminists while gatekeeping any interactions with the Left. What I will agree with you is that this group seems to be starting once again to bond over antifeminism, rather than pro-men. Specifically wasting hours tying to debunk stats, rather than working on fostering the necessary relationships for cultural change. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 11:07 PM |
| 2 | I feel bitter and resentful and I hate it.Usually I'm annoyed by therapy+love yourself as the answer to everything, but this is solid advice. I think it is important to acknowledge to OP that this doesn't mean there will never be urges for companionship, or down days; just they won't be all consuming or affect behaviour in the same way. | /r/ExRedPill | 26/06/20 10:45 PM |
| 2 | Why does no one acknowledge Women are not open to dating autistic/non neurotipical men most of the time?I could lift my comment in a last post in here. "I think the main thing to do, which generates empathy rather than hostility and fear, is to remember that we were born into male and female bodies, bred into masculine and feminine roles. We did not always choose the advantages and disadvantages which come with them." I'm really not a fan of framing individual experiences as privilege in a way that we don't have to try and make sense of the way they were raised because privilege makes them The Ene… | /r/ExRedPill | 26/06/20 10:18 PM |
| 24 | How to not compare men and women's experiences. Is it possible?I think the main thing to do, which generates empathy rather than hostility and fear, is to remember that we were born into male and female bodies, bred into masculine and feminine roles. We did not always choose the advantages and disadvantages which come with them. | /r/ExRedPill | 26/06/20 10:14 PM |
| 25 | The real obstacle to men's rights is male apathy.The problem is male intrasexual competition and the scarcity mentality that surrounds that. More men are affection and validation starved than women, and even high status men can lose it for going against gynocentric narratives. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 09:16 PM |
| 20 | r/AskMen laments about the fact that society doesn't care about menAdd to the below, and the usual complaint that women find male vulnerability unattractive (hence emotional labour) the following: Feminists have a love-hate relationship with 'male homosocial bonding'. They don't want men dumping their problems on them, they resent that aspect of men's liberation. But many of them don't trust men to meet up, as that takes away some of their power and could lead to strengthening patriarchy. The result is that they either block, or co-opt, suggestions for male spa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/20 09:14 PM |
| 6 | Work with childrenThere's an assumption that goes back to the Satanic Panic, I think, as well as concern about the pederasty in the RCC, that men-especially 'strange' men-come into teaching because they're paedophiles or serial killers. It's very damaging and ironically the exact fucking opposite seems to be the reality right now, with (bizarrely) mostly young attractive adult women taking advantage of being a teacher to sexually harass students or even to assault them! Doubtless there are some feminists and gyno… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/20 07:47 PM |
| 3 | I really don't think women understand the dating experiences of young menHasn't FRD gone to shit now cos there's only one active mod and they're gynocentric? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/20 07:43 PM |
| 2 | I don’t understand why red pill guys are against feminismI used to be a liberal feminist, identifying as MRA egalitarian. But I've become critical of liberal feminism, because in my experience libfems promote a contradiction which is at the heart of hypergamy; essentially, that the idealised middle class man is the bare minimum of what every man should be, just...because. Libfems don't really have a solution to alienation of the everyman because liberalism does not have a solution to alienation. So now I'm a sort of what weirdly sometimes androcentric… | /r/ExRedPill | 23/06/20 02:37 AM |
| 1 | Leftbook attacks socially awkward and autistic men for using autism as an excuse for not understanding boundaries; also defends diagnosed narcissists. Why?It's just a feminist canard. Leftbook puts the progressive stack over the people it's meant to be supporting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/20 08:01 PM |
| 1 | The results of my small "toxic masculinity" survey.Yeah man, that's already a sample bias...somebody's going to have to survey 'normies' and 'bluepill' people at some point | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/20 07:29 PM |
| 3 | Leftbook attacks socially awkward and autistic men for using autism as an excuse for not understanding boundaries; also defends diagnosed narcissists. Why?Not personal. I'm in UK and it seems to already be banned here. I was also diagnosed late (early 20s) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/20 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Leftbook attacks socially awkward and autistic men for using autism as an excuse for not understanding boundaries; also defends diagnosed narcissists. Why?I'm aware of hypergamy but for optics and possibly false hope I try and frame this as a metanarrative rather than absolute biological reality | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/20 02:41 PM |
| 1 | Leftbook attacks socially awkward and autistic men for using autism as an excuse for not understanding boundaries; also defends diagnosed narcissists. Why?My friend DOES think a lot of the group are borderlines, and I've seen some diagnose with both BPD AND ASD, which confuses me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/20 02:41 PM |
| 2 | Leftbook attacks socially awkward and autistic men for using autism as an excuse for not understanding boundaries; also defends diagnosed narcissists. Why?Yeah IdPol gonna IdPol. I have to traverse the line between empathy and reason at all times. It is also entirely possible that the reason they wanted the moderator position in the first place is BECAUSE they're narcesistic. In which case this is like letting an emotional parasite cultivate it's own flock for slaughter. Unofrtunately true | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/20 02:34 PM |
| 4 | Leftbook attacks socially awkward and autistic men for using autism as an excuse for not understanding boundaries; also defends diagnosed narcissists. Why?It's because AS promotes Applied Behavioural Analysis. Basically a sort of autism conversion therapy. What is funny is these same groups basically would respect men who had gone through ABA more. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/20 02:32 PM |
| 9 | The results of my small "toxic masculinity" survey.Thanks for doing this Unfortunately, I'd say we need more women to respond tbh. Sample is way too small | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/20 12:57 AM |
| 3 | Getting past the constant feeling of putting pressure on yourself to be both an attractive successful man and a good person; over-riding the feeling that female friends see you as inferior to other men and failure to produce'value'=abandonmentThanks for your support. I tried to discuss this (abandonment fear, I mean) and attachment theory with my counsellor but we couldn't dwell on it. These aren't even letting me engage my special interest as they think I'll derail whole sessions with worrying out loud and reassurance seeking. The aim of my current therapy is learning to tolerate uncertainty better (since I'm clearly on the OCD spectrum and that's a big part of anxiety) | /r/ExRedPill | 20/06/20 12:16 AM |
| 2 | Does Black Lives Matter really seek to 'destroy the nuclear family' and 'replace black male fathers with the state'?Yes I kind of wrestle with this. Did you see his debate with Vaush? He says that he tried reaching out to the DNC but while the younger candidates were open to what he said, the campaign leaders were afraid of the feminist lobby tut-tutting them. Which is why he keeps going on Fox-but as a result having to increasingly push father's and children's rights over Men's Lib. (He didn't say that last part, but we can infer it) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/20 12:38 PM |
| 1 | Does Black Lives Matter really seek to 'destroy the nuclear family' and 'replace black male fathers with the state'?I have no idea why LWMAs would defend the nuclear family. I've realised we have as many people here who are 'left' by US standards as actually leftists. In other words socdems or just Democrats lol | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/20 12:36 PM |
| 1 | Does Black Lives Matter really seek to 'destroy the nuclear family' and 'replace black male fathers with the state'?Thank you! I've been looking for this. So, Soros (lol, the alt right would have a field day), Rob McKay, Ford Foundation, Democracy Alliance, Borealis Philanthropy, 'Globalists' I'll definitely explore these more. I know from a colleague that Ford and aristocratic families like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds funded feminism in its early days, particularly in America (and long before the CIA Steinem thing). And Ford contracted with Nazi Germany well into WWII. So in that list, its the name of h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/20 12:16 PM |
| 2 | Does Black Lives Matter really seek to 'destroy the nuclear family' and 'replace black male fathers with the state'?No they may very well literally mean child communes. This idea was proposed by Alexandra Kollontai and Shulamith Firestone before them. Depending on how left they are, they may see childcare and schools as part of the problem. Firestone wanted to bring back some degree of child labour to introduce children into the proleteriat at a young age and encourage prole solidarity before state socialisation into liberalism. Kollontai actually did it in the USSR. I forget whether Firestone praises the kib… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/20 12:07 PM |
| 1 | Does Black Lives Matter really seek to 'destroy the nuclear family' and 'replace black male fathers with the state'?So I think this is a matter of interpretation, ultimately. Have fathers being erased from the BLM manifesto, or disprivileged in it? I think the latter. BLM is an intersectional feminist org and it uses materialist, critical race and queer dialectics, so we can expect straight men and traditional fathers to be disprivileged. In fact they flat out say they are going to do that here free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered. At this point, I think we just have to choos… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/20 11:58 AM |
| 2 | Does Black Lives Matter really seek to 'destroy the nuclear family' and 'replace black male fathers with the state'?Oh hah I come from Facebook. This is a cross-platform issue. I blame A Voice For Men really. Paul's become a right wing gatekeeper if he ever wasn't one, and he has so much power that his vision becomes the vision of whole networks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/20 11:53 AM |
| 2 | Does Black Lives Matter really seek to 'destroy the nuclear family' and 'replace black male fathers with the state'?Somewhat. The MRM can't organise because over half of its modern contingent are based off of reactionary white middle class conservatives who WANT a capitalist patriarchy, refuse to consider intersectional issues as even issues, and all but like 5-10% of the rest are staunchly liberal, which means they refuse to take radical measures against the system (including militant protest a la BLM.) Anything anti-capitalist, even if it will help men, and they're not interested. From everything I have hea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/20 11:44 AM |
| 1 | Getting past the constant feeling of putting pressure on yourself to be both an attractive successful man and a good person; over-riding the feeling that female friends see you as inferior to other men and failure to produce'value'=abandonmentHi! It's nice to hear from you. Yeah haha, I guess from a practical perspective I realised that most women I knew were not screwing millionaires from an Instagram account but working, and the redpill culture seemed to be highly specific to the contradictory socioeconomic and political-cultural pressures of the modern US. So the focus has come on my feeling 'alienated' by unemployment, mental health issues/insomnia and social anxiety. It also made no sense to identify too strongly with incels bec… | /r/ExRedPill | 19/06/20 08:23 AM |
| 1 | Getting past the constant feeling of putting pressure on yourself to be both an attractive successful man and a good person; over-riding the feeling that female friends see you as inferior to other men and failure to produce'value'=abandonmentGyms are also closed, but I do bodyweight stuff at home. Yeah I can't really decide whether to wait for somebody special (possibly forever) or see an escort :/ Thank you for being compassionate. You are right that there's no guarantee they will stay forever. | /r/ExRedPill | 18/06/20 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Getting past the constant feeling of putting pressure on yourself to be both an attractive successful man and a good person; over-riding the feeling that female friends see you as inferior to other men and failure to produce'value'=abandonmentI mostly agree, but we're in lockdown still :/ I hear you about the neediness | /r/ExRedPill | 18/06/20 01:33 AM |
| 1 | As an anti-Red Pill, Mark Manson-fan, I still believe in hypergamy (to some extent) - can someone explain to me why it's wrong?For me most young American women are hypergamous in some sense, and this is because they are perhaps the most self-actualised generation of feminists in its long line, but also because they have consumer capital which is in itself artificial, mostly from social media and corporations. Meanwhile we have a generation of men who haven't adjusted as well for a lot of reasons, that the government is hoping will die off to avoid a revolution, and that business has less interest in reaching except to s… | /r/ExRedPill | 18/06/20 12:41 AM |
| 5 | Getting past the constant feeling of putting pressure on yourself to be both an attractive successful man and a good person; over-riding the feeling that female friends see you as inferior to other men and failure to produce'value'=abandonmentYeah. I mean, I won't lie, I've been fucked over a lot more by mental illness than feminism IRL. However, I do think a lot of users here can't even see their own gynocentrism, which is frustrating. Also the whole 'feminist women being into men demonstrating traits of toxic masculinity doesn't matter and it's problematic to think it does' is such bullshit, yes it does and yes it is an elephant in the room in a sub which literally is promoting thought reform of vulnerable and mostly young men. I w… | /r/ExRedPill | 17/06/20 11:19 PM |
| 3 | AITA has a very harmful gender double standard. Completely opposite reactions for charging partners rentShit Reddit Says. I don't know whether they still exist, but they used to have a finger in the pies of a lot of mod subs | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/06/20 08:21 PM |
| 4 | Getting past the constant feeling of putting pressure on yourself to be both an attractive successful man and a good person; over-riding the feeling that female friends see you as inferior to other men and failure to produce'value'=abandonmentNo worries! I know I can info dump and it must be annoying for people to parse. Nothing's wrong with it in the sense that they would not have wronged me. But I am a human being, probably more sensitive than most men, and when I get attached to people it hurts to lose them lol. I get this with guy friends too, in fact one just cut me off because of political differences (he um, is a senior MRA and doesn't like that I'm becoming feminist and leftist again) However it is for whatever reason more pr… | /r/ExRedPill | 17/06/20 02:00 PM |
| 7 | Getting past the constant feeling of putting pressure on yourself to be both an attractive successful man and a good person; over-riding the feeling that female friends see you as inferior to other men and failure to produce'value'=abandonmentwhy is that hypocritical or shows lack of empathy? Because there is a fundamental incongruity between encouraging men to not be an ideal which is regarded as oppressive socialisation, and actually expecting that same ideal to either date or even platonically associate with a man. There is also a dilemma between women trying to get men to diversify preferences in women while not including men in that representation. If a woman tells men that it is OK to show their feminine side it's but actually … | /r/ExRedPill | 17/06/20 01:21 PM |
| 3 | Getting past the constant feeling of putting pressure on yourself to be both an attractive successful man and a good person; over-riding the feeling that female friends see you as inferior to other men and failure to produce'value'=abandonmentThanks for your response. As I say I'm not too bothered by whether the friendships lead to something else or not, I value them in their own right. it's just that lingering feeling they're just going to disappear one day which is nagging me. | /r/ExRedPill | 17/06/20 01:18 PM |
| 1 | Question: redpill is kinda like eating disorders?They ae both methods of perfectionist control to avoid coping with a traumatic point of internal vulnerability, yes. The echo-chamber feeds the addiction and both have cultish communities. | /r/ExRedPill | 16/06/20 10:56 PM |
| 2 | Question: redpill is kinda like eating disorders?I get this. I don't understand why some men end up turning it on themselves though? | /r/ExRedPill | 16/06/20 10:52 PM |
| 5 | Getting past the constant feeling of putting pressure on yourself to be both an attractive successful man and a good person; over-riding the feeling that female friends see you as inferior to other men and failure to produce'value'=abandonmentThanks for responding! There is a subreddit called PurplePillDebate where redpillers are debatedby 'bluepillers' (mostly feminists, but in practice anyone with concern about redpill ideology.) It is possible those women have subscribed to a worldview that is toxic for me just as the men have. (edit: won't link to it) You're right, maybe I'm just spending too much time in Internet communities xD I guess I get nervous when they don't respond sometimes. Especially if I have to chase it up. There is… | /r/ExRedPill | 16/06/20 10:45 PM |
| 3 | Women are complaining men don't want to commit. But what do you have to offer exactly? Do you think the problem is only due to men, or might also be tied to what the average modern woman has to offer?If you talk to red pill women on here then women-as-a-class hold literally all the power in all sex and relationships, everything redpillers and blackpillers say is cope. It's very strange. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/20 09:06 PM |
| 5 | AITA has a very harmful gender double standard. Completely opposite reactions for charging partners rentReddit has a strong gender bias against men. What's new? Also isn't AMITA in the SRS cabal | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/20 08:07 PM |
| 4 | How to make up for lost time sexually?You're early 20s. It's not uncommon to be a virgin in early 20s. Start worrying if you're a virgin in your 30s. Young people lie and exaggerate how much sex they're having, particularly young men. | /r/ExRedPill | 15/06/20 09:04 PM |
| 1 | In the aftermath of the George Floyd murder, I'd like to discuss the consequences of poverty on opportunity, crime, violence (early mortality), and society in general.Fantastic post! The fact poverty leads to crime should be fucking obvious to conservatives but in debate with them they basically said no matter how bad your situation is, the law is God. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/20 10:42 PM |
| 1 | In the aftermath of the George Floyd murder, I'd like to discuss the consequences of poverty on opportunity, crime, violence (early mortality), and society in general.It's social, professional and political suicide to discuss hypergamy. That's WHY everyone who does ends up getting radicalised by reactionaries, because it requires a degree of psychopathy to not care about the consequences. Furthermore, tradcons (the only ones challenging BLM narrative really) endorse hypergamy | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/20 10:31 PM |
| 3 | What is happening with the "modern" left? Why have we forgotten all of the issues from the Bush years?More or less. Although I don't think that IdPol is in and of itself a terrible thing, it should just be one lens of many. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/20 07:41 PM |
| 1 | The Early Labor Movements were skeptical of adopting Feminist ideology and only agreed to cooperate with some women's movements on truly egalitarian grounds, were they right to be that way?^ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/20 01:26 AM |
| 2 | I've seen more people on the Blackpill/redpill mansphere be successful in dating than those that leave itI have also tried and failed to mod incel subs, man. There is crabs mentality but at the same time most people just don't give a shit about depressed guys, especially if they are depressed over their lack of success with women. So it's easy to come crawling back. You can see from my post history that I have both feminists, redpillers and normies running around downvoting me every time I seek advice for various issues to improve my mental health and social skills, so I totally understand your cyn… | /r/ExRedPill | 05/06/20 03:10 PM |
| 6 | Is paying for sex hindering my progress?I'm not sure he even needs to learn to love women specifically. Just be less cynical and misanthropic about humanity and probably less holier than thou too. It is, of course, difficult to deprogram from redpill+MRA that women ARE people, as just being flawed is considered enough to trash her. But in my experience it's more effective to think of it s learning to trust people in general than specifically guilt-tripping to rehumanise women. | /r/ExRedPill | 04/06/20 07:47 PM |
| 2 | Is paying for sex hindering my progress?^ good advice | /r/ExRedPill | 04/06/20 07:31 PM |
| 1 | Is paying for sex hindering my progress?If you want casual sex, get on Tinder or OLD and make clear what you want. If you want a relationship, you have to put the time in with a woman. Long enough to develop a bond, not too long to be 'friendzoned' (it's not real but it is) You cannot guarantee she will feel the same about you and that's OK, the more women you get to know the more you will reach a point where sometimes you will have a girl crushing on you who you don't like back. And at first that will be an ego trip, but over time yo… | /r/ExRedPill | 04/06/20 07:25 PM |
| 7 | A response to PhilosophyTube's anti-paternal surrender video.I'm kind of tired of the 'the left are hypocrites, so I will abandon all leftist principles' canard, however, it is true we need better male advocates than Breadtube. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/06/20 05:04 PM |
| 1 | Why is it always "female hypergamy" and not shameless male thirst that is complained about?Although I am leaning more towards feminist than MRAright now, one of its ironic consequences of liberating men from the role of patriarch is that it created a new sociosexual hierarchy which placed essentially the bachelor at its top. A man can best save himself from an accusation of misogyny by proving to the world that women like him; no better way to do this than being able to attract them. But combine this with women regarding men as both and disposable and inferior in our consumerist age, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/20 01:44 PM |
| 1 | Why are males always the ones who end up isolated and lonely in society?You've never met a 'crazy' old lady? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/20 07:16 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Playing hard to get is actually a good strategy in order to get with a high value maleThis is Rules bullshit, and suggests anxious attachment with a fear of intimacy and abandonment, being covered by trying to game men such that you always have the power to abandon them first. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/06/20 12:08 AM |
| 5 | Research shows that when women aren't given preferential treatment over men, people see it as sexist and misogynistic. Could this explain, in part, some of the hostility to the men's rights movement?Liberal feminists are for the most part basically still tradcons at heart who want to make a lot of money. This is why I can exclusively work with left feminists, who while still gynocentric, sometimes unwittingly deconstruct their own privileges in advocacy for things like the end of alienation of the proleteriat and mutual aid. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/20 01:03 AM |
| 3 | Deconstructing hierarchy psychologically is somewhat impossible considering realityThank you. I probably am spending too much time on it, but obviously it's a lifeline atm considering I can't work on my social anxiety IRL. | /r/ExRedPill | 29/05/20 09:21 PM |
| 1 | Deconstructing hierarchy psychologically is somewhat impossible considering realityYeah, I get that. And the focus doesn't need to be on gender, or lead to misogynistic, but if anything erasing that just makes the anxiety even worse. I guess I don't know how to stop thinking about the hierarchy and focus on the moment. Once I see a friend or somebody being/doing 'higher status' than me I just freeze and question my contribution's worth. Nope, majority of men on the planet are men of colour, they will at large not join the alt right. You're right there. I'm including TRP and th… | /r/ExRedPill | 29/05/20 09:20 PM |
| 1 | What were your political beliefs while being red pilled and how have they changed now?I started off centre left, got shifted right, eventually found myself using fascist arguments just as an 'only solution to feminism and hypergamy', moved way left, now I'm stuck with the dichotomy between the benevolence of the left in theory and the alienation I experience in practice in leftbook. | /r/ExRedPill | 29/05/20 08:06 PM |
| 5 | How to have a non-toxic gender discussion?Are you familiar with non-violent communication? If you're going to try, you need NVC and to avoid dialectic/jargon from another tribe | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/20 04:05 PM |
| 1 | If women think you are creepy then it is your faultThis is the first time I've seen you refrain from blaming presumed social ineptitude on men. (But then I've been inactive here for a few weeks) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 02:40 PM |
| 2 | What are the men that you know who are highly sexually successful like, personality wise?I don't really know as I don't hang out with them much in person. Generally speaking they're either good looking, rich or popular. Of these the last is most within one's control, but basically they seem to be constantly effortlessly outgoing. Extroverted. Never needy, always creating more value than they take. I doubt many of them are neurodivergent as they rather intuitively get non-verbal cues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 02:30 PM |
| 1 | People who hate the opposite gender: what can they do to earn your "forgiveness"? What would it take for you to stop hating them?Just stumbled across Engels and Firestone, by the sounds of it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 02:23 PM |
| 1 | Do people underestimate how much society's lack of proper raising of boys leads to most of the problems that get brought up here, particularly in regards to the proper utilization of the male ego?It's a good thing from a nationalist, structural-functionalist and to a degree a liberal perspective; it's a bad thing from a Marxist or anarchist one, but I have never met a leftist who cares about hypergamy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 02:02 PM |
| 2 | People who hate the opposite gender: what can they do to earn your "forgiveness"? What would it take for you to stop hating them?That all sounds quite terrible. I'm glad that you met a guy who could understand and help you heal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 01:54 PM |
| 1 | People who hate the opposite gender: what can they do to earn your "forgiveness"? What would it take for you to stop hating them?I think you are on to something here about social anxiety. But how exactly do you meet people? We stigmatise approaching on the street as street harassment, we say don't shit where you eat and often that can get you fired anyway. OLD is a dumpster fire and Tinder is a waste of time for average men. We know that women don't generally like being randomly DMed, and participation in various social media discussion groups hasn't made me many friends, esp. who are women-this is despite not being in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 01:24 PM |
| 1 | People need to realize both genders have issues and neither has it better.How exactly do you get people in gender-inclusive places listening to each other, though? Everybody wants to retreat to a safe space. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:52 PM |
| 1 | Do people underestimate how much society's lack of proper raising of boys leads to most of the problems that get brought up here, particularly in regards to the proper utilization of the male ego?That's kind of where the 'dual mating strategy' stuff comes into play. The latter's usually good for wild casual sex, the former's good for friends and potentially fatherhood. I am not shilling for capitalism here, but if the nerd is in poverty then yes, women live in a society where you need money for resources to keep children alive and well-nurtured, and most people need two incomes to get by. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:46 PM |
| 1 | Growth Mindset and the need for the red pill.Thanks for the link! Of course, insecure attachment is in and of itself not fixed, I am saying that the fixed mindset and emotional default to anxiety about performing well to receive love, usually came from somewhere itself. (Sometimes it's genetically inherited though) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:44 PM |
| 1 | Have you ever tried OLD as the other sex? What was your experience? Woman goes undercover as a man on tinder and is floored by how challenging the experience is. (Video)That's the other side of the coin and the single strongest argument for tradcons I know of. Given a choice between an attractive guy extremely unlikely to commit, and a bunch of average guys who may not be willing to commit, she'll choose the former. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:40 PM |
| 1 | Have you ever tried OLD as the other sex? What was your experience? Woman goes undercover as a man on tinder and is floored by how challenging the experience is. (Video)I'd say the main thing is not to lie. If a friend is shit-talking a 'beta' behind their back then call her out and/or be honest with the dude. I think this is the bleakest part of the red pill, we've been told for a couple of generations that not trusting women is misogyny, but then lots of women flat out lie about their genuine opinions on average to below average men. (And when that's called out, it's considered justified because of rape culture/assumption that a man would react violently to t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:38 PM |
| 2 | Do people underestimate how much society's lack of proper raising of boys leads to most of the problems that get brought up here, particularly in regards to the proper utilization of the male ego?Simply put, the American and generally Anglophone model to masculinity and femininity, currently, is hyper-sexual | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:26 PM |
| 1 | Growth Mindset and the need for the red pill.I think something you might not grasp is that TRP has to focus a bit on the 'doing' because it is essentially an empirical analysis of intersexual hierarchies, mostly in post-feminist cultures. TRP lays out exactly what is going on in terms of dynamics, and what on average is you position in this 'social hierarchy'. It's a sort of...weirdly reactionary materialist analysis, not a psychoanalytic one. How a man reacts to the data is meant to be left to him. It is just demonstrably true, for exampl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:24 PM |
| 2 | Growth Mindset and the need for the red pill.The new wave of red pill and incels are young men (in the case of incels, very young men and boys) who were severely affected by a fixed mindset, helicopter parenting AND technology - it's not that tech makes it impossible to learn how to relate to other people, but some people are more vulnerable to becoming obsessed with it. They lose out on years of socialisation and try to play catch up later on which is where this comes into play: people with growth mindset tend to be knocked back less be f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:18 PM |
| 1 | Growth Mindset and the need for the red pill.We never get to be a confused being who also has socially influenced mindsets and acts out (sometimes inexcusably) from a place of vulnerability. We can't just fuck up and be held accountable for what we did, we have to be judged as either acceptable or worthless from a David Attenborough style distance. Just... be chill, guys. You know? Of course women have socially influenced mindsets How many feminists have you seen actively trying to deconstruct these aspects of hegemonic masculinity though?… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:14 PM |
| 1 | Growth Mindset and the need for the red pill.To sum up my last comment on a more recent post; anxious attachments tend to be lead to fixed mindsets. Secure attachments lead to growth mindsets. What is making men have anxious attachments and fixed mindsets where they personalise limitations in agency, success, power and absence of affection or validation for it, as reflections of their own inherent lack of lovability and value? Patriarchy, which is facilitated by and interdependent with hypergamy. Patriarchy, gynocentrism and hypergamy ALL … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:08 PM |
| 1 | Do people underestimate how much society's lack of proper raising of boys leads to most of the problems that get brought up here, particularly in regards to the proper utilization of the male ego?This is a fair point, however something which is commonly not acknowledged is that women receive validation or 'attention' for existence (both positive and negative), men tend to receive either extreme validation for success, or none for mediocrity. This sets up the idea that when a boy/young man/man doesn't do well, it is an attack on his character, his whole sense of self. He personalises it. Women face this cultural pressure to be perfectonists, but their support network challenges it too. (I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 12:02 PM |
| 1 | Do people underestimate how much society's lack of proper raising of boys leads to most of the problems that get brought up here, particularly in regards to the proper utilization of the male ego?Yeah, this is my blackpill. Although I still try to encourage homosocial bonding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 11:54 AM |
| 1 | Do people underestimate how much society's lack of proper raising of boys leads to most of the problems that get brought up here, particularly in regards to the proper utilization of the male ego?Well isn't this the eternal catch 22? Progressives, feminists and leftists want to reform or erode capitalism and patriarchy, which means they need to criticise social dominance orientation in men and how it reifies capitalism. At the same time, all (at least heterosexual) women are hypergamous-meaning their sexuality demands eugenic/productive behaviour from men-and all successful men satisfy hypergamy in some way, some ethical and others less so. Given a choice between an unsuccessful ethical … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/20 11:19 AM |
| 4 | The rise in sex negative feminisms again: why?I understand, I apologise and I'm not meaning to trivialise the effects of ongoing fundamentalist sex negative attitudes. I was over-generalising to claim this was a 'collectively women's fault' phenomenon. it seems to be more like there are two extremist camps with double standards. There are some faux-fundamentalists who want men to be free to 'sow their oats' but also to slut-shame and victim-blame women. Then there's the likes of FDS which demands men commit more to a relationship than she's… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/20 06:23 PM |
| 1 | The rise in sex negative feminisms again: why?I picked porn but it was basically anything which in her mind represented her not being his life priority. However there was no expectation for reciprocity on her part in investment | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/20 01:22 PM |
| 2 | The rise in sex negative feminisms again: why?? I've been critical of puritan attitudes for 10 years...perhaps this is just me spending too much time observing the niche Internet communities | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/20 01:16 PM |
| 2 | Why do all the societal conversations pertaining to men tend to "problematize" dudes?Great comment! I inboxed you btw, sorry I took so long lmao, I'm assuming you don't check your inbox much | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/05/20 10:26 PM |
| 1 | A husband who shoulders an emotional burden is guilty either of "toxic masculinity" or creating "emotional labor" for his wife. Being a man makes him guilty of committing some kind of "crime against women" no matter what he does.Emotional labour in the case of a dog dying? Probably not. At least for the day of the funeral and a little while after. This is one of those areas where they'd have sympathy. In many other scenarios compassion dries up quickly. General redpill rule is this: Upset over situation you have no control over (e.g. somebody dying): Unrestrained compassion, may even find it attractive if you lead despite that, would only get pissed off Upset over situation you have control over: Threshold varies betwee… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/05/20 11:57 AM |
| 5 | Coal miners in early 1900 heading down for a shift. Is this the work that the oppressive patriarchy was denying women from entering? Do not let history be rewritten.Eh come on man socialist feminists talk about this shit a lot. And slavery too. All feminism has an issue with intergender dynamics at the gender-class level but racism, classism etc. is mostly a libfem and (early) radfem thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/20 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Do women actually speak like this among their female friends?People who have been abused tend to find it difficult to set boundaries on abusers which don't create some warped justification for dehumanisation in their minds. It is as if the only way to raise one's own self-image is to debase the image of and Other an entire demographic. It has been a good 4 years since I first began to study this and the codependency-> narcissism pipeline that is r/TheRedPill and r/FemaleDatingStrategy or r/PinkPillFeminism just continues to thrive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/20 11:45 PM |
| 1 | This sub has gradually turned into one big circle-jerkOh they may come back to that healthy place in a few years. But how much damage until then? The fact is these resentments shape law, policy and culture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/20 11:28 PM |
| 1 | This sub has gradually turned into one big circle-jerkDude most of my posts got deleted or censored, so I gave up. The majority of people here are not friends of MRAs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/20 11:27 PM |
| 1 | Where does this obsession with women’s sex lives come from?I don't personally care about her promiscuity, however, I expect to be judged. I never presume a woman will reciprocate or be equal (why would she be? There is no incentive to respect men anymore) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/20 11:23 PM |
| 1 | Technology will make masculinity obsolete and societies becoming feminized is a good thingPeace takes no risks. Progress requires the potential for violence. It's not an ideal to strive towards. It is a technological necessity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/20 11:15 PM |
| 1 | What if men's physical changes have also changed men's behavior and that's why people disagree on what men are like?NHS also does this. They consider 200ng/dl to be worth clinical intervention. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/20 10:55 PM |
| 3 | What does this sub think about Vaush?Thanks, that's what I meant, yeah | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/20 10:12 PM |
| 5 | What does this sub think about Vaush?I've only seen his debate with Farrell, I think he was fair and that it's his base who's toxic but he panders to. A bit like Sargon, who while too conservative for my tastes, attracted an alt right fanbase in the ever-toxic Youtube comments. This is his job so to some extent he is going to sell out. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/20 10:27 PM |
| 2 | Why is the Men's Rights Movement so unsuccessful?The only men's movement to, at a noticeable and dangerous level, abandon male intrasexual competition (which is fundamental to patriarchy and liberalism or capitalism alike) and has ever been properly accepted near-unconditionally by the left, has been socialism. And after socialist feminism determined that orthodox socialism was male chauvinism and would not guarantee women's liberation, guess who controls that? Women, or rather the feminist standpoint. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/20 02:25 AM |
| 8 | Why is the Men's Rights Movement so unsuccessful?or that new language and concepts beyond feminist theory are necessary to account for men's issues. Rad-fems will never accept this. Ecriture feminine and gynocentric standpoint is embedded into both American and French feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/20 02:21 AM |
| 4 | Why is the Men's Rights Movement so unsuccessful?YEAH THIS. I've seen a lot of FeMRAs put off by the 'right to be a feminine man.' They see that as basically being a male feminist. I think it can only reasonably be framed as the right to pursue child-rearing options e.g. full time dad, the way Warren Farrell does. Even then it's unpopular and not considered very sexy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/20 02:20 AM |
| 1 | Why is the Men's Rights Movement so unsuccessful?Exactly. The possibility of liberation has been conditioned out of us by patriarchy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/20 01:47 AM |
| 4 | Why is the Men's Rights Movement so unsuccessful?You've reached a lot of the same conclusions I have over the years. In particular I think that higher SMV leads to too much temptation to pander to feminine frame for the thirst. We're left with not many powerful men to support us. I think a lot of MRAs haven't actually grasped the social cost of what the suffragettes did. For some it DOES guarantee life as an 'incel' and at least putting a public front of being happy about it. Depending on how extreme the entrenchment of feminism is into the st… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/20 01:46 AM |
| 1 | Why is the Men's Rights Movement so unsuccessful?^ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/20 01:41 AM |
| 1 | They don't want us IN feminism. They don't want us forming our own spaces. What do they want us to do and what *should* we do?No, not on Reddit, won't name for my own sake. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/05/20 03:34 PM |
| 4 | Does anyone get tired of being associated with the right for being antifeminist or an MRA?The left self crits all the fucking time, man. Just never its first premises. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/20 01:27 AM |
| 3 | Left wing Male advocate or left wing mra, isn't the sameSo I think the problem we're facing here is that this sub is mainly American based, and their 'left' is most other place's 'liberal'. The Democrats are socially centre-left, economically centre right. This sub is not really leftist, but it's very difficult to find leftists who support MRAs or criticise Feminism at this current point in time. Because of the liberation movements narratives, it's assumed that it's mostly men who are the ruling class so if you're a rights activist for 'men' you are-… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/20 06:20 PM |
| 3 | Are we mostly agreed that pure, unregulated capitalism probably would cause many more deaths during this crisis?Without a doubt. As I have said many places, I care about the money issue in this, but the people making that claim would usually tell the destitute to get a job or live with the consequences. So pardon me if I don't trust their new sense of philanthropy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/20 06:08 PM |
| 2 | Hundreds of women against feminism videos - YouTube channelWe tried... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/20 06:06 PM |
| -1 | Feminist GENUINELY (not trolling) calls 4 (nonviolent) reduction of male pop to 10% via eugenics. Why is she a professor & founder of Gender Programs at unis? This is like giving tenure to a Nazi. Her manifesto is also origin of "future is female". Using that phrase is like using slogans from HitlerSally's gonna die of old age soon. I'm upset and disillusioned by this too but she's like nearly 90, goddamn. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/20 06:05 PM |
| 2 | If you thought menslib was the most toxic "men's sub" you were wrongIt's the SRS (ShitRedditSays) cabal, as I understand it. At least it used to be that back in the good old days of 2015... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/20 03:29 AM |
| 1 | If you thought menslib was the most toxic "men's sub" you were wrongI'm banned from AskMen, I think that's more due to the fact that when it started off every other thread was incel related (as in, "help me get a gf" and "I need a gf I hate my life, girls suck."). While I totally sympathise, I can see why that would become annoying and off-putting if the space was meant to be for women too. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/20 03:28 AM |
| 3 | “Intersectionality” seems to suddenly stop existing in mainstream liberals’ minds regarding menIF was created by 2nd gen rad-fems to address the in-fighting between the 1st gen middle class gender reductionist rad-fems (TERFs), socialist feminists, Black feminists/Womanists and the emerging queer theorists. That is it. Really that is it. The core assumption of mostly men in power, masculine values being cultural hegemony, that these values are most of the cause for women's and other marginalised group's issues etc. all are the same. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/20 03:42 PM |
| 4 | Leftism And Feminism Are IncompatibleI've tried, but feminism controls most leftist spaces I am in now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/04/20 12:34 AM |
| 2 | Leftism And Feminism Are IncompatibleThe problem I am having is that, even if modern feminists and the position of women in general is more bourgeois than it was 50 years ago, what gives rise to feminism is the call for women's liberation with an absence of conservative principles of reciprocity and personal responsibility. We have to use some form of post-Marxist analysis to ignore that most legislators, judges, politicians, generals etc. are men. Materialism already acknowledges the place of 'agencies of socialisation' and bureau… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/04/20 12:22 AM |
| 5 | What do you all think of this?I think there is some truth to this. Its a way to phrase male alienation. I am reluctant to rely too much on the "men-are-victims-too" card, unless referring to specific representation issues, since I think that encourages them to believe they can control the frame, like we are BEGGING them for consideration, rather than that we deserve it by default (which is how it should be). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/04/20 10:53 PM |
| 2 | Got banned from Gender Critical subreddit because I commented “Not trusting men around kids for simply being men is sexist especially since women are more likely to sexually abuse and neglect kids”TERFs gonna TERF... | /r/MensRights | 09/04/20 09:50 PM |
| 2 | What are the issues do men of lower socioeconomic status and living below poverty line face?I've been lucky to...well, I will be honest...exploit my 'disabled and autistic' status to get on employment gateway programmes and disability benefit. This doesn't mean I'll never work again but it means that I get a lot of financial and vocational support, assistance finding and...staying alive while studying, training, whatever. I also have living and understanding friends and family. Many men are not so lucky; most of the funding by both public AND private sector goes to women. Masculinity S… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/20 12:20 AM |
| 2 | Why I’m an anti-feminist MRAI hate to say it but. You're overestimating the investment in political philosophy of the average person. A lot of feminism's victories have come from the general public being too damn busy working to notice the legislative changes. They also happened in the Boomer and early Gen X generation JUST before the rise of the surveillance state, at the very beginning of media transparency (but subsequently yellow journalism) and of mass technology and globalisation. The result is that when people encou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/20 12:12 AM |
| 3 | Why I’m an anti-feminist MRAYep that's a reason I gave up. Not generalising is good etiquette; it's impossible for humans to avoid generalisations and heuristics constantly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/20 12:07 AM |
| 1 | Why I’m an anti-feminist MRAI used to be pretty heavily active on PPD. It's not what it was, and it's not an MRA sub as you say, it's about relationships and the vast majority of them are coming from liberal (capitalist) and conservative perspectives. Several unironic far-right wingnuts on there too. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/20 12:06 AM |
| 3 | According to the NY Times, men are genetically inferior to women and this causes men's higher death rate from coronavirus, which men deserveSeriously just stop reacting to libfem op-eds. Go after the lobbyists, the law-makers and the theorists who have given them the security to be making a living from this shitty journalism. These paid hucksters are petit bougie cretins not worth our time. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/20 11:47 PM |
| 6 | Men and the sexual side-effects of anti-depressantsOh God I am so dead here. Been on Zoloft for 2 years and every single time I complain about this my doctor (I've seen 4 different ones on call, mine's always busy) act like it's a non-issue. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/20 11:44 PM |
| 1 | What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement?^ _ ^ Sure! Your inbox on here or back there? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/20 11:33 PM |
| 1 | What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement?I find that women are much, much less likely to start open fights with other women than they are with men. That's what they want you to think ;) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/20 11:15 PM |
| 3 | What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement?You can't convince feminists to abandon patriarchy theory by appealing to men's issues. Remember the solution to every men's issue for feminists is less patriarchy or less bad-thing-rooted-in-patriarchal-values (like capitalism or social dominance orientation) and this is ENTRENCHED in feminism, not just popular feminism but academia, Masculinity Studies. Conversion to non-feminism and men's liberation discourse-the usage of male identitarian rhetoric-are two separate angles. Fidelbogen calls a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/20 10:56 PM |
| 2 | What can we do to convince feminists to be allies to the movement?It's a shame I had to leave. That community was so good. Theory lit review took up so much of my time in the end :/ (I'll prob delete this comment once you get it, because D'x risk lol) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/20 10:49 PM |
| 1 | The implications of what this subreddit says are very scaryAccess to this website has been blocked under an Order of the Higher Court. !!! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/20 09:59 PM |
| 8 | I'm an MRA from Austria. The situation here is crazyLiberal feminism tends to just be one-way traditionalism. I'm sorry, dude. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/20 09:51 PM |
| 1 | The implications of what this subreddit says are very scaryAngela Nagle Do you have the link to this please? Radlibfems are def the worst for gynocentrism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/20 01:12 AM |
| 12 | The implications of what this subreddit says are very scaryThis sub's basically a place for married feminists and young women to flex, nothing else lol. Nobody particularly cares about the structural generational change in dyadic power, or for that matter how having to work stupidly long hours while community services are being consistently cut for funding makes for an atomised society where everybody turns to their peers, the media and social media as role models (terrible idea). On the whole people will be passive feminists (not activists just virtue … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/20 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Where did "I Am The Prize" Go?The feminine imperative didn't like it and used PPD to try and bludgeon it out of guys (not women) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/20 11:29 PM |
| 2 | New Polices for the Current CrisisLove it | /r/MensRights | 01/04/20 09:15 PM |
| 3 | Does anyone else notice a lot of female voices about the problems men face at the moment? Men wouldn't be taken seriously...Yes of course. That's kinda how gynocentrism works. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/04/20 01:01 AM |
| 1 | I went from being basically an incel to sleeping with four different women since the beginning of the year. Here's what's changed.Congrats man! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/03/20 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Misogyny does not exist.There appear to be a couple of psychoanalytic feminists who assess the influence of mothering and parenting on gender socialisation. Nancy Chodorow and Dorothy Dinnerstein come to mind as the main people to check out. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/03/20 02:37 AM |
| 1 | Overwhelmingly, women prefer not to have relationships with men who earn less than they do, why do women change this narrative to, "Men are intimidated by successful women" instead?Because women don't like men having ego-investment in hypergamy, it's a beta or rather omega trait | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/20 09:13 PM |
| 15 | No or reduced COVID-induced unemployment relief for people owing child support; all other debts non-exemptI've seen a couple of friends talk about their exes spitefully suffering from this, and also that it's in 'the best interest of the child' | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/20 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Surprisingly good MensLib thread (if holding some significant blind spots) about the demonization of male sexualitybump for later | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/20 11:43 PM |
| 7 | Imo, women are now the socially dominant genderWomen are the rulers of the 'working' class, which the middle class do not understand includes THEM. However the people of the ruling ruling class i.e. the oligarchs are still mostly men. These ruling class men however profit from feminism | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/20 02:52 PM |
| 1 | Will COVID-19 usher in a new wave of traditional relationship roles?That coincided with the war though. The proposed package is close to a New Deal and the talk is of entering a Second Great Depression. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/20 05:26 PM |
| 1 | A lot of men assume that women love them the way their mothers do.I'm pretty sure most guys don' expect their girlfriends to be babying them. When it's the fact that a lot of women (more accurately thots) leave men when he's going through a tough spot. It's the lack of loyalty and the reality that she hasn't got your back. You can cry "it's natural to do that cus hypergamy" all you want but it doesn't change the fact it makes for a shitty relationship and if we assume that women are capable of controlling their base instincts, shitty partners. No life is witho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/20 05:25 PM |
| 2 | A lot of men assume that women love them the way their mothers do.This is a feminist-gynocentric sub these days lol why do you think I barely post here anymore. Most of my posts get deleted. Idk why I'm here even. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/20 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Men rating themselves higher than they actually are: what does it imply?I have no problem with men being confident. Why is it good? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/20 01:07 PM |
| 2 | Example of the ways which feminists and men's libbers misrepresent the men's rights movement and men as a wholeWho's this aimed at? Me? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/20 01:57 AM |
| 25 | Example of the ways which feminists and men's libbers misrepresent the men's rights movement and men as a wholeAs somebody attempting to read feminist theory proper to be more professional an advocate, I have to say that MRAs will struggle to present a peer-reviewed counter-argument to any feminist essay because they're literally banned from universities. When they ARE funded, it's mostly by conservative think-tanks and feminists use this as proof that it's disingenuous criticism as a way to shoehorn politics in (worse it indeed is sometimes.) The closest we have are Men's Libbers like Raewyn Connell. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/20 01:14 AM |
| 2 | The problem isn’t that women are too picky. It’s that women are too attractive.How old are you? This sounds like raging hormones more than anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/20 08:42 PM |
| 1 | The Red Pill was a response to an unbalanced dating market in favor of women. R/ Female Dating Strategy serves to swing it back in their favorThe first wave of feminism saw women demand civil liberties separate from their sex. The second wave of feminism saw women demand sexual autonomy-including the right to not have sex, the right to have unconditional pre-marital sex and the right to publicly express a different sexual orientation. All good things, however the more radical strain of feminism has always had negative views towards male heterosexuality. This ranges from "men will use and abuse you if you let them" to "all heterosexual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/20 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Why is it some big societal problem if every single man can't get sex?It's not just sex, it's getting increasingly difficult to find work (ergo meaning in the community and security from the state) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAn_BDroZcs | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/20 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Why is it some big societal problem if every single man can't get sex?I generally agree with this-although I thought that it's the opposite in China with 'leftover women' under pressure to be married | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/20 06:46 PM |
| 6 | Why is it some big societal problem if every single man can't get sex?You get it's also such American thing, but it's either women's nature to value men according to wealth, or so deeply ingrained in women in capitalist cultures that might as well assume she will be like that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/20 06:05 PM |
| 5 | Are we all agreed that the content of academic feminist "studies" is closer to religion than science?I think the research which the earlier Women's Lib theorists like Betty Friedan and Angela Davis did were pretty sound. You can tell if a book is going to be intellectually terrible when it's either not cited or only cited by others in the same organisation | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/03/20 11:34 PM |
| 5 | I'm Mad at My Husband for Voting for Bernie Sanders"We need more women nuking Syria and cutting wages!" Lol bougie fems are clowns | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/03/20 01:11 AM |
| 1 | Psychology today- “why you should hire women over men”no worries | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/03/20 01:08 AM |
| 1 | Does the 'the Future is Female' originate in Sally Miller's manifesto where she advocated reducing the male population to a tenth of the total human one?Well, what do you think explains why a lot of people claim to be 'feminists' but are mostly indifferent to the issues that both women and men face? (When I say indifferent, rather I mean, passive) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/03/20 01:08 AM |
| 1 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulNono I get that, which is why I am loathe to spend too much time bashing them. However it does seem they are seen by some as beyond criticism because of their legacy. This is why it became "patriarchy hurts men too", rather than completely ignoring the issues. Sorry this is false, that was Men's Lib (in the 80s, e.g. Raewyn Connell), actually feminist theorists have always paid lip service to how patriarchy esp. capitalist patriarchy, white patriarchy, heteropatriarchy harms men. Trying to figur… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 06:36 PM |
| 4 | The early men's rights activist who was also a socialist: Ernest Belfort Bax (1854 - 1926)I'm not sure it was the wage gap alone. He got a LOT of shit for Myth of Male Power too. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 06:31 PM |
| 3 | The early men's rights activist who was also a socialist: Ernest Belfort Bax (1854 - 1926)This is why I think the root of the problem is chivalry and the assumption of female hypoagency (which is likewise rooted in infantilization and objectification) Note that Mary Wollstonecraft commented at length about the differences between English and French women in Vindication. One of them was Englishwomen being more in favour of passivity. And it shows how leftist ideas, including socialism, can intersect with men's advocacy. except socialists kicked him out for these polemics... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 06:29 PM |
| 2 | Psychology today- “why you should hire women over men”Apex Fallacy | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 06:22 PM |
| 2 | Psychology today- “why you should hire women over men”That's a pop-psychology mag, not the most rigorous | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 06:19 PM |
| 1 | Why women outnumber men in higher educationService sector economies (I refuse to call them 'cushy jobs' because they have many issues and it's divide et impera to pose different sectors against each other) are economies in late stage capitalism where a capitalist society has moved beyond its primary source of capital being raw materials, beyond manufacturing, and moved towards generating services within means of production of capital that assume the foundational structure from the primary and secondary sector for their operation. They al… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:57 PM |
| 1 | The idea that family courts are biased against men is a dangerous fallacy - Article, thoughts?One of these has to be true, these are mutually exclusive Courts are not biased against fathers/there is no gender bias in family court, so women are equally victimised by unfair court rulings on child custody. Courts have a sexist assumption that women are 'supposed to be' primary caregivers which is THE reason, or a major reason, why mothers tend to get custody | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:50 PM |
| 1 | Is this a fair characterisation of MRAs?The main issue is that MRAs are mostly counter-arguing against a bunch of statistics and claims which already exist. Indeed MRA is itself just an offshoot of feminism. Some of these stats are legit, some of them rely upon internally defined assumptions of what a word contextually mans. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:46 PM |
| 1 | Is this a fair characterisation of MRAs?Can't disagree with any of this | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:42 PM |
| 1 | Is this a fair characterisation of MRAs?My solution is to double the existing funding and tag it for men's dv resources. That way no existing funding gets taken away from anyone. Gynocentric reveal themselves to be much like the right wingers talking about magic money trees when you call for this. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:41 PM |
| 1 | Is this a fair characterisation of MRAs?I largely agree, however anybody who has shamed men for lacking socioeconomic status while expecting them to have time to set these up is a hypocrite. (Hint that's more people than is comfortable to think about) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:39 PM |
| 1 | Is this a fair characterisation of MRAs?Yes I think it's absolutely wrong. I have heard echoes of it from my feminist female friends who work with battered women. They aren't opposed to mens shelters per-se, but see a limited funding pool and (probably correctly) interpret the introduction of mens shelters as coming bundled to being funded out of the portion that currently is allocated to womens shelters. And womens shelters are currently not over funded. so essentially MRAs are correct to be sceptical of social democracy since the la… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Is this a fair characterisation of MRAs?The Strauss report and PASK have been thrown around for the last decade, and little has come of it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:35 PM |
| 1 | Is this a fair characterisation of MRAs?Well yes for some, and I was asking why the rich guys don't help more 3 years ago. But you can't ignore the fact that women and feminism have more consumer and capital (purchasing power) these days PLUS is convenient for the government and media to support to a degree esp. neoliberals. Nor is it fair to claim that every feminist is an activist, they're barely an advocate. Unless Retweeting/sharing a Facebook post is peak activism. Ultimately the difference, which justifies the double standard th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:22 PM |
| 1 | Why women outnumber men in higher educationBecause capitalism=tertiary (service sector) which is what most of academia prepares you for at higher levels. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Does the 'the Future is Female' originate in Sally Miller's manifesto where she advocated reducing the male population to a tenth of the total human one?That's because most people esp. when young support feminism just to avoid being shat on as a dickhead. It's the sacred cow of liberal-progressive and atheist circles. The content is less important than what it represents (validation from society) People interested in intellectual integrity demand it to HOLD integrity, often becoming pariahs in the process. Here's where the contradictions arise. The average person has absolutely no understanding of the movement's philosophical underpinnings and h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:13 PM |
| 3 | Does the 'the Future is Female' originate in Sally Miller's manifesto where she advocated reducing the male population to a tenth of the total human one?Gearhart created Women's Studies afaik. We have to stop looking for compassion from feminists, it's approach to the loss of male power of any kind is indifferent and utilitarian (upon the assumption men are, on sex class terms, bourgeois.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 05:08 PM |
| 1 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulThere have been socialist and legit anarchist writers for AVFM? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 04:28 PM |
| 1 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulMaybe I do, but it seems like a choice between Trump or shit, dudes who follow Nick Fuentes, and Bernie, most of the 'top brass' of AVFM are going to go with the former. In other words, the bosses of the movement are not left much at all- | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 04:24 PM |
| 1 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not careful“Pathetic” doesn’t even begin to describe it. The majority of the left revels in the fact that “freedom of speech” is a right granted by the state from above, which it uses for the sole purpose of consolidating the abolition of all real, practical, criticism and everything else which presents a threat to capital accumulation. States which are weaker and still having trouble establishing their rule don’t offer such “freedom of speech”, they can’t. The left cheers in capital dispossessing their po… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 03:34 PM |
| 2 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulSo what happens, if men and women are fully equal before the law, but women own something that men don’t (their sexuality as commodity)? It most certainly is not “equality of outcome” or of “opportunity”. And this is what (naturally) liberal, democratic, “progressive”, capitalist society tends towards (which will be seen most clearly during the “prosperous” phase of the next cycle of accumulation). So, throughout the world there is the development of the oppression of women (keep in mind “oppres… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 03:24 PM |
| 2 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulThe MRM sees in “soft patriarchy”, as you call it, an opportunity for meaning, for security, most importantly: for the satiation of their basic needs. What can leftists and feminists offer besides a moral “critique” saying: “b-b-but, you shouldn’t, because it’s wrong!!!”? Absolutely nothing...well except to deplatform, doxx and crush \ The more advanced capitalism is, the less any aspect of life is the “fault” of any human or even humanity in general. We are ruled by abstractions, not by individ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 03:18 PM |
| 2 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulMore than that, there is a certain humanity – entirely missing in our oppression by capital – we, mostly viscerally, see in past oppressive systems. The “First Reich” was the Holy Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire (remember what Voltaire commented on the name) thought of itself as Roman for a reason. This is the crux which the vast majority of the left will never understand about “reactionaries”. The slave is less free, but more human, than the worker. The serf is near-godly in comparison.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 03:12 PM |
| 1 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulYou seem to be a social-democrat I'm a SocDem practically, with socialist/anarchist sympathies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 03:10 PM |
| 2 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulThis is all a really good analysis. There's a lot we agree on and I understand these arguments/the rationale of the 'bootlickers'. Perhaps it's ultimately nothing more than moral philosophy which decides whether we choose left or right. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 03:07 PM |
| 2 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulIn other words they're liberal feminists edit: No a lot of MRAs don't want government funding period. That's how much they refuse to trust government | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 02:53 PM |
| 0 | Reproductive advantage for single women vs single menI'll give you benefit of the doubt that you're not a sock puppet: Courtship rituals suck but they ARE NOT OPPRESSIVE. Please please please do not give female chauvinists long hanging fruit to discredit us. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 02:25 AM |
| 1 | A rant against Honey Badger Radio's interview of DerrickYou're referring to 'classical liberals' with private preference for traditionalism. These guys, the uber tradcons in the alt right, want majority patriarchy with room for a non-conformist underclass to appeal to the pity of their masters, and this word 'underclass' must be stressed; they do not think that people who cannot or will not fulfil gender roles should have suffrage rights, nor should they hold authority in society. Needless to say some (I won't assume Derrick is one but to be alt righ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 02:20 AM |
| 3 | A rant against Honey Badger Radio's interview of DerrickIf Derrick is anything like the other shady figures who have popped out the woodwork of the antifeminist sector in the past year or 2, then he's basically just grooming young men (mostly incels or kids identifying as such, but not all) over to the Alt Right via 'propertarianism', which is essentially Ancap+patriarchy+anti-liberalism. You're right he's not an MRA he's a far right gatekeeper who is exploiting antifeminist sentiment post Gamergate/peak antiSJWism to radicalise them into crypto-fash… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 02:16 AM |
| 1 | A rant against Honey Badger Radio's interview of Derrick"How do Derrick and Brian expect to convince society to support the controversial goal of maximizing male romantic opportunities, while simultaneously arguing society need not provide for more basic needs like food or shelter or healthcare?" Yep, it's absolutely pants-on-head-shitting stupid and it's what makes us look like a joke. It is the literal mirror image of feminism, which demands social democracy for women (and, at least in theory and on paper, for vulnerable and marginalised men too) b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 01:56 AM |
| 1 | A rant against Honey Badger Radio's interview of DerrickThat's Michael Buchanan's catchphrase about why MRAs can never vote left. Admin is basically satirising his mantra that "a left wing MRA is like a turkey voting for Christmas" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 01:52 AM |
| 1 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulHi! I haven't got time to review everything you said tonight, but just looking at your attempt to reason on the main MR sub, it's a sad situation for sure. Many of them have TRIED, and failed, to reason with 'the left' (usually meaning the feminist gatekeepers of socdem) to expand services to fund crisis support centres for men. I sympathise a lot more with these than the proud Ancaps and alt lite tradcons. It's easy to conclude from this experience of dismissal the state inexorably and by desig… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 01:42 AM |
| 2 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulI agree with a lot of this, however as far as A Voice For Men goes, I cannot think of A SINGLE ICON who is libertarian left. Correct me if I'm wrong | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 01:27 AM |
| 1 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulJust wanna say thanks for taking time out your day to effortpost. When I was unemployed I used to write massive essays on men's issues but since I started looking for work again it's been hard to put thought into it. Part of me thinks being overworked is a lot of why MRA answers to these complex problems are so reductive. I hope to come back to review this properly later in the week | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 01:12 AM |
| 2 | 'Bourgeois' liberal feminism and the libertarian masculinism of the MRAs are like Batman and Joker, caught in an eternal struggle which will bring us all down if we're not carefulHey man, sorry I can't answer everything people have been saying to me immediately, busy times. I've picked you since you're at top of my messages and it's a straightforward answer. Honestly this (materialist approach) is what I concluded last year sometime, hence the post. And if I am 100% honest it was after reading Angela Davis who introduced me to socialist feminism and some stuff about the suffragettes which the MRAs had NOT told me and seem not to care about (i.e. that they weren't just ra… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/20 01:08 AM |
| 1 | Speaking of gender and politics, a UN study finds that 90% of the population are biased against women. However, you'd be surprised by the trends.The UN wrote the first Declaration against Violence against Women in the 1970s and things have somehow got WORSE since then. Some patriarchy huh? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/03/20 01:10 AM |
| 2 | What do you think is making men so unattractive to women?Yep OLD is the obvious answer, makes everybody chase the rainbow lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/02/20 03:05 AM |
| 5 | What do you think is making men so unattractive to women?I agree in part, but every 'shy introvert' woman I know of has online incel orbiters, even if only platonic, and these guys really DO care for her it's not just the thirst Granted, shut-in men often have these virtual support networks too... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/02/20 03:00 AM |
| 3 | What do you think is making men so unattractive to women?Internet, financial recession, testosterone decline from xenoestrogens in pretty much everything in supermarkets, obligatory 'overinflated expectations from social media orbiters and OLD', passivity privilege, MGTOW (volcel) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/02/20 02:56 AM |
| 9 | Anyone here who've read about the research in lookism, or the importance of appearance?The halo effect is absolutely a thing, but applies to everyone ('ugly' women are held back by it too) and in the 21st century, looks DO matter...BUT it's more about basic health and self-care indicators than it is body fat and muscle striations. I'm of the opinion that frankly feminism's erosion of rigid enforced gender roles means that the cultural standard of beauty women are held to will fall, while the standard men are held to will rise. In general women's preferences are changing away from … | /r/ExRedPill | 29/02/20 02:30 AM |
| 11 | Jezebel is trying to paint Amber Heard as a victimHollywood hasn't blacklisted her, tells you all you need to know | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/20 09:53 PM |
| 1 | If AF/BB exists them why are women having sex with tons of guys who are not alpha?You confused blackpill with redpill | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/20 07:24 PM |
| 4 | The term BB is too limiting. More and more often, women often lock down a beta man for his predictability and obedience, not necessarily his bux.That's the Beta in BB lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/20 07:12 PM |
| 1 | How can average women not see their average boyfriends as failures?Great question. My experience is that it's her friends and the media which convinces her that he's not good enough for her | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/20 11:01 PM |
| 2 | [CMV] The majority of women are not principled, they chose what benefits them the mostI appreciate that.Thank you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/20 10:42 PM |
| 2 | Perspectives from an autistic manI'm frequently in discussion groups where women admit that they have an autistic colleague with a crush on them, who they want to go away/report to HR. Most aren't bad enough to want to get the guy fired or prosecuted but some are. They hate that autism is seen as an excuse for enabling this. But they also hate that guys come online to try and figure out what they're doing wrong. The rule of gynocentrism is agency; women are never entirely responsible because of some obscure environmental contex… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/20 07:47 PM |
| 1 | My friend is feminist or passively gynocentric, doesn't respect or value the MRM, I'm not sure how to deal with itI don't think misinformed disagreement over identity politics is worth cutting out my friend of 15 years who's been with me through a lot of shit. It's not that he's laughing at male victims, it's specifically Internet advocacy which I think he tires of | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 08:29 PM |
| 1 | My friend is feminist or passively gynocentric, doesn't respect or value the MRM, I'm not sure how to deal with itThanks man. Like I say I cannot cut him out over politics, however it is annoying and I wonder where he got this notion from | /r/MensRights | 23/02/20 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Why does it seem each ideologies main debate point is that "it's not their fault "?Um because ideology (post German Idealism, prior to this it was virtue ethics) tends to originate as a philosophical treatise for the legitimacy of one's own self interest | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/20 08:26 PM |
| 3 | What’s considered “female nature” is actually human nature.All humans are narcissistic but the encouragement to be narcissistic among the masses is a relatively recent decline in generational virtue | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/20 07:54 PM |
| 9 | What’s considered “female nature” is actually human nature.These aren't really even human traits, they're narcissistic traits somewhat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/20 11:41 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Why did women (especially on PPD) go from denying hypergamy to proudly embracing it?Because the gynocentric mods banned all the incels, most of the angry redpillers/blackpillers too, and what we're left with is a discussion with the founding premise that women are both more reproductively valuable and more morally virtuous than men | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/20 11:37 PM |
| 4 | Men: can you explain why women liking “Chad” is such a shock?It's not something I endorse, just a sad reality, people with low self esteem will stay with 'high status' people or people they perceive as high status regardless of how they treat them. And that goes for both sexes, for LGBT too | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:44 AM |
| 2 | This sub, like society in general, blames men for negative generalisations about women but is oblivious to when women make those same negative generalisations. Or perhaps conveniently ignores them to fit the narrativeWe have little way of knowing how people behave on a subreddit made of people talking and communicating that by typing the words out on a screen On the Internet, noone knows you're a dog | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:30 AM |
| 1 | This sub, like society in general, blames men for negative generalisations about women but is oblivious to when women make those same negative generalisations. Or perhaps conveniently ignores them to fit the narrativeWhat? That's just extending the exasperated NAWALT meme, Atlas | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:29 AM |
| 2 | How do you feel about The Red Pill selling out? Discuss.Uh yeah TRP is basically PUA mixed in with libertarian hard right through to alt right politics. Saw this shit coming back in 2016 lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 03:28 AM |
| 2 | Women are the stronger sex and hypergamy is a good thingYou're talking about 'empathy and compassion' but you didn't criticise a dehumanising post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 02:58 AM |
| 0 | Men: can you explain why women liking “Chad” is such a shock?Tbh part of TRP IS realising men will stay with abusive women because of how they look | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 02:41 AM |
| 3 | Men: can you explain why women liking “Chad” is such a shock?Hold up, why if you're a woman were you posting about AFBB in MGTOW 9 months ago? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 02:33 AM |
| 1 | Men: can you explain why women liking “Chad” is such a shock?Why are you having a go at this guy rather than OP? OP is a woman and she is literally saying "why are men surprised that women are naturally attracted to the most attractive men and nobody else?" That's the thread topic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 02:09 AM |
| 0 | Men: can you explain why women liking “Chad” is such a shock?I'm not surprised by this. I'm ANNOYED by feminists claiming for most of my young adult there's a pervasive meme of systemic male entitlement where "men feel entitled to attractive women" when life and viscarious experience is that this is 80% projection. Both the right and the left hold men to standards of hyper-agency, the right with overt capitalist stomping-on-proles-as-filthy-poors and the left with check-your-privilege-stop-being-an-incel. Even the normiecon right is gradually being easier… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 02:05 AM |
| 1 | Do not accept feminists blaming society for everythingThat's fair. I guess i you bear in mind that there's materialism in its classic sense and then materialism (as in, dialectical materialism) in political philosophy | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/02/20 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Do not accept feminists blaming society for everythingYeah, you realise most feminists are materialists, right? Everything is a social construct to them, are what isn't a construct is still controllable through human agency. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/20 12:30 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Male thirst is as big of a problem as female pickiness.OK but when you have women like in France literally throwing their husbands under the bus and in jail for not fucking them becaue it's their right, then there's not much men can do to avoid the fury of scorned women except MGTOW (and nobody wants a genuine male exodus as that WILL collapse the infrastructure women rely on.) Basically women don't play fair, much like men who just come kill a woman when he gets fed up, women eventually throw liberty out the window and go full auth. whatever Daddy … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/20 03:19 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about the debate between gender and violence?Debate? It's just abused women getting into halls of power and setting the education framework for universities from there. There is no debate. Pizzey, Strauss, Steinmetz and Gelles lost | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 01:38 AM |
| 1 | believing in blank slate equalism is the root of mens frustration in dating.I mean yeah but it's purple pill idealism to even debate/seek reassurance for this very basic thing... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/01/20 09:59 PM |
| 11 | CMV: We're the weirdos. TRP/TBP/PPD views are too different to intelligently speculate on the "reality" of normies.We are way way WAY too high in conscientiousness and introspective tendencies for either neurotypicals or effortlessly sexually successful normies. Most people on Reddit are above-average in this, most people who spend inordinate amounts of time on social media or the Internet in general are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/20 06:10 AM |
| 2 | CMV: We're the weirdos. TRP/TBP/PPD views are too different to intelligently speculate on the "reality" of normies.Intelligent? More like damaged and either personality disordered or autistic. But as far as being a minority view goes, there are areas which are demonstrable issues biased against men (family court for instance) but with no real discussion of it in the mainstream media, one cannot expect 'the Matrix' to be woke to this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/20 06:06 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are right to select for "Chad" even when it's just a ONS because low value men like those found in TRP are more trouble than they are worth.Inflation of Hypergamy and women's neurotic-histrionic response to being pumped and dumped is a vicious cycle. It's going to carry on as long as we normalise promiscuity-as-liberation while taking men's resources for granted. I've considered trying to return to the dating pool but rants like this make me think twice. Then again it could just be that people here are damaged as fuck and in hindsight, above average in trait narcissism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/20 06:01 AM |
| 3 | A new feminist talking point that irritates meNot new, just accelerated purity testing performative allyship. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/12/19 04:22 AM |
| 1 | Philosophies about men used by the Left and the Right that are harmful to men.Largely agree. I've had disputes with men's rights supporting traditionalism advocates (evolutionary division of labour I mean) over blaming chivalry and hypergamy for feminism and gynocentrism though | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/12/19 10:51 PM |
| 3 | Philosophies about men used by the Left and the Right that are harmful to men.Your last trope is basically describing Men's Lib, and why this group exists (because the feminist POV on Men's Lib was dogmatic and non-feminist opinions deemed reactionary hate speech) They aren't closet feminists, they ARE feminists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/12/19 10:03 PM |
| 2 | Sick of seeing MRAs have a blatantly biased take on Andrew YangI'm not trying to trash the MensRights sub. I use MRA generally to refer to what I've seen of the community. I spend way more time on Facebook than here, to be honest. To say what I used to do on FB would be to do doxx myself This is like people thinking TERF's as being the core part of feminism. Again, Paul Elam gave his blessing towards the anti-Yang crowd for his statement. Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=152054359422118&set=a.106854567275431&type=3&theater Effectivel… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/12/19 09:38 PM |
| 2 | Sick of seeing MRAs have a blatantly biased take on Andrew YangThey really aren't. They want to 'restore the patriarchy'-which is real, and screwed men over too. The fact that many feminists don't have appreciation for men's sacrifices doesn't change the basic political analysis. Not to mention most of them wantsome white ethnostate. What's baffling is how many guys are willing to accept these harsh Darwinian neo-feudal hierarchies, including being cannon fodder if necessary, just for authority over women again (which came with responsibility to her as well… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/12/19 08:00 AM |
| 1 | Sick of seeing MRAs have a blatantly biased take on Andrew YangOh, is it on r/MensRights too? Fuck. Well I suppose it would be, they repost things which often came from people I'm Facebook friends with. But this was on FB | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/12/19 07:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP is not for relationships. Stop trying to force fit it.Isn't the point that he needs to adopt a player mentality to stand a chance of having any relationship? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/19 07:28 PM |
| 3 | Self improvement is making my insecurities worse and while it doesn't make me hate people it doesn't really make me want relationships anymoreI struggled to grasp this too. Probably because they insist on being Rational MenTM who make everything empirical | /r/ExRedPill | 11/12/19 05:25 AM |
| 2 | Have you ever expressed your views to someone IRL, and what was their reaction?Yeah, lost most of my school friends for it. Around the time I graduated college | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/19 03:08 AM |
| 1 | I'm glad I found this sub, but...People trying to radicalise moderates. Seen this happen to several egalitarian women by rad-fems All it takes is taking an egalitarian statement and then pointing out how actually X shows women aren't 'roughly suffering the same' but facing more struggle than men, and Y shows how many men actually just aren't taking enough responsibility | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/19 03:06 AM |
| 2 | Finding it hard to 'debunk' hypergamy but it's also being used to justify far right superstructures by tradcons. Solution?Oh he and I aren't just concerned with incel stuff, that's just used as a symptom for the broader issues. But in his opinion (I'm conflicted) reform of social democracy to be more pro-men would fail because of women's desire for men basically better than them | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/19 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Why are feminists so adamant about defending Ironic misandry ?Because Feminism is a political movement, making women 'feel free' to trash men is considered consciousness raising above sex oppression, and consciousness raising is part of all radical praxis. Same reason TRP allows so much misogyny; they believe it's justified to purge their previous self who submitted too much to wo/men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/19 02:55 AM |
| 3 | Finding it hard to 'debunk' hypergamy but it's also being used to justify far right superstructures by tradcons. Solution?I get that, equality of outcome is impossible. But this is more than that. He believes that around 10% of men can command women as a group's respect by being sufficiently elite, that this is biological, immutable, natural and necessary for eugenic tribal purposes, and it is the duty of weaker men who cannot satisfy it to submit to the rule of the strong men who can, because women will never respect them and when women do not respect men then chaos occurs, empires fall. And he believes this on a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/19 02:52 AM |
| 3 | What, if any one thing, made you think this sub was needed?The left was co-opted by feminism a very long time ago. The right is inherently hierarchical and yet most men's issues are relating to working class men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/19 02:40 AM |
| 1 | Man the red pill really fucked me up..Not all of it. Enough that I changed my main concern to other men's issues | /r/ExRedPill | 11/12/19 01:42 AM |
| 1 | Man the red pill really fucked me up..Can I ask why the men in your family are dependent? | /r/ExRedPill | 11/12/19 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Man the red pill really fucked me up..This is what happened to me. | /r/ExRedPill | 11/12/19 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Trying to figure out what happened to the Red Pill culture and drove it to insanity?PUA back then is far less predatory and politically extremist than Red Pill now. It was also in this weird mid-way point before intersectional feminism took off in the mainstream, after the Sex Wars that mostly killed off SWERF hegemony but before sex positive feminism was established, and after The Rules was written which tried to clumsily fuse traditional gender roles with pop-feminism. Red Pill was shoehorning PUA into neoreactionary discourse. I would not be surprised if the generalisations … | /r/ExRedPill | 24/11/19 01:32 AM |
| 1 | What should be done? You all seem to have made observations, some that anger you. But what should be done about them?^ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/19 09:06 PM |
| 1 | What should be done? You all seem to have made observations, some that anger you. But what should be done about them?It's feminist laws and culture which enables peak hypergamy, that can be addressed through the democratic process, see: Men's Rights Movement. Nor is there anything immediately and directly harmful about men sharing advice on how to handle women with other men, it's purely a feminist slippery slope that this will lead into some authoritarian hellhole. They don't have a leg to stand on because they not only advise women and girls how to handle men, it gets routinely published and broadcasted. Som… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/19 08:59 PM |
| 5 | Trying to figure out what happened to the Red Pill culture and drove it to insanity?It's always been right wing, it's just consolidated alliances with the alt right, who have matured and refined their philosophy and praxis since 2014 (this isn't good, it means they're organised) | /r/ExRedPill | 23/11/19 05:27 AM |
| 2 | 3 Ways to Save Western CivilizationThey very very sincerely believe that if the left is tolerated any longer then either the Saudis or China are going to dominate US and destroy (what they see as) the heart of liberalism. You're back in a new Cold War, just it's no longer Russia. Fallout lore wasn't meant to be an instruction manual to IRL politics | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/19 03:45 AM |
| 1 | 3 Ways to Save Western CivilizationAnyway, people called the ancap to auth. right pipeline (hint: given a choice between fascism and Communism+ identity politics, certain people choose fascism) years ago, few listened. Neoliberalism will hold out as long as it can but I fear for the next decade | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/19 03:43 AM |
| 3 | 3 Ways to Save Western CivilizationI've encountered a secular variation on Dominionism too fwiw | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/19 03:39 AM |
| 1 | 3 Ways to Save Western CivilizationI thought No Voice Free Exit and adjacent issues was a banned topic | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/19 03:36 AM |
| 0 | It's time for feminists to stop before it's too lateCan I have a second opinion on my friend's plan of action: "Delete the welfare state, single motherhood will be stigmatised and feminism will end overnight, women will submit to men and order will be restored to America" | /r/MensRights | 21/11/19 03:14 AM |
| 3 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (10 November 2019)I agree to some extent. Sui-posting is a problem and this place isn't really suitable for those in a vulnerable place. I think that 'whining/ranting' is too subjective, however, in that typically incels are defined a priori as whining, so how could an incel post not be a whine/rant? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/19 06:10 PM |
| 1 | If RP Became Mainstream, How Would It Affect Female Dating Practices?We'd have a reversion to sex negative radical feminism and ultimately a feminism-altered patriarchy. (I.e. commitment and chivalry, but no coverture.) Read Dialectic of Sex, one of the main things she complains about is men wanting sex without commitment. She thinks the entirety of women's liberation from 1918-1970 benefited Chads near exclusively, with the exception of WWII when men were conscripted and their occupations were empty. Oh what's that? Oh we're having it right now, with PayPal pull… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/19 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Do ugly/plain men with ugly/plain gfs not count in red pillers eyes?TThey exist, of course, given I was born by such a couple. However, the wife controls the frame. (Of course wife, these men will not get interaction with women without lifetime commitment.)Women eventually nag him, sometimes to the point of abuse, and then having weakened him, leave these men. The state and media encourages it. That's the red pill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/19 03:39 AM |
| 3 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (10 November 2019)The majority of posts on here are some theme of "most men are not attractive enough for us; change that or stop being misogynists because we women don't give a fuck", and yet there are feminist mods who have banned 'incel content'. What a joke. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/19 03:25 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Telling men to "get ripped" is just as Blue-Pilled as telling them to be nice guysDoes this apply to women who don't get Mr Right or CEO status just for participating? Or do they still get quotas and orbiter's money to comfortably and bemusedly write up op-eds which eventually manifest as culture-altering law and policy? I swear this sub becomes more about dangling the carrot of The Golden Uterus everyday. edit: I'm not trying to attack you, OP, I just balk at how gynocentric this place is sometimes, and why I haven't unsubscribed yet | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/19 03:21 AM |
| 1 | Women should stop dating the men who hate them. Then men will be forced to changeDon't blame feminism on this one, guys, OP admitted to being a tradcon. (I mean, most tradcons are basically white feminists at this point, but this is a matter of semantics) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/19 03:20 AM |
| 1 | Study: Women, without exceptions, found muscular, "ripped" men most attractive; although in social contexts they lie to avoid hurting men around them.Thanks | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/19 02:37 AM |
| 1 | Study: Women, without exceptions, found muscular, "ripped" men most attractive; although in social contexts they lie to avoid hurting men around them.Interesting-citation please? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/19 08:40 PM |
| 1 | Red/Blue/Black/Pink pills are all unhealthy, addictive drugs CMVI LOL'ed, but this is a better 'muh generalisations' post than there's been for a while | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/19 01:56 AM |
| 1 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.There's a genuine thread in there about a man self describing as a feminist being a red flag. Fear based reasoning. This is actually a politically correct and thus published position, from white feminists especially https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/19/why-i-wont-date-another-male-feminist | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 04:42 AM |
| 0 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.We still have a person with a heart in this sub it seems _^ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 04:39 AM |
| 2 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.Since when has GC been insincere in its contempt of most men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 04:38 AM |
| 2 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.If you look at what's going on we have an anti-manwhore alliance building up. Tradthots (faux traditionalist), antiSJWs, SWERFs, TERFs, neoreactionaries and the fash, religious political commenters like tradcaths, femcels, worse the MRAs are LETTING THEM control the frame, given most MRAs are thirsty Boomer betas. Add to this the aforementioned government spies like COINTEPRO plus the sheer apathy and lack of activist organisation skills from most MRA-MGTOW and they're done for. Trust me, men ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 04:29 AM |
| 0 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.FDS would be fine but for the fact that incel and MRA-MGTOW subs are monitored by: the FBI, the CIA, the SPLC, entirety of Breadtube and Leftbook, Washington Post, Huffington Post, Guardian, CNN, BBC and many more, hell I wouldn't not be surprised if the UN security forces weren't planted in there. That's what women don't get, no matter what shit they say about men or do to men they are not going to end up on a watch list. Nobody is going to fire them, nobody is going to evict them, nobody is go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 04:17 AM |
| 1 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.I.e. TERFs? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 04:12 AM |
| 3 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.Hopefully soon you will realise most feminists, or rather most basic bitches, aren't interested in deconstructing the gender binary/oppressive traditional gender roles for men, only for women and groups Daddy Government says it's bigoted to dislike | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 04:04 AM |
| 3 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.This is conservative feminism. They very blatantly want all the political rights from feminism but a one-sided traditional relationship where she calls the shots but gets to blame him for her decisions | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 03:29 AM |
| 1 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.My understanding is that it's fairly attractive women who can't get high value men's commitment for marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 03:22 AM |
| 0 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.Alexis has tried to get TRP and other subs like it banned, FDS stands and will probably get some shitty rationalisation by Vice about how it's not the same it's empowerment because structural male privilege, punching up etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 03:19 AM |
| 1 | r/femaledatingstrategy is basically reddit version of shitty cosmopolitan magazine advice except its with "adult" language and poorly mirroring TRP lingo.It's just Femcels who got pumped and dumped discover The Rules: The Movie | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/19 03:16 AM |
| 1 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?As the economy worsens, lower IQ and lower SES but higher SMV women will opt for the latter further, | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 05:14 AM |
| 1 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?Yes and no, you aren't the first to contemplate this, it's a reactionary meme at this point | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 05:01 AM |
| 1 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?kinda makes his point, doesn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 05:00 AM |
| 3 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?Single mothers on welfare are already paying for this-as their benefits are being scrapped, meaning they have less to live on than the cost of living. Same with terminally ill women. Some have already died, as have homeless, mentally ill and disabled (ergo low status) men. Hypergamy is reliant upon a prosperous and safe civilization and it always drains the budget a little. I am not sure I would say as much as corporate welfare, but the majority of welfare is for women. We fundamentally want to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 04:54 AM |
| 4 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?women will start policing themselves and try cater more to men's preferances (low n count,loyalty,youth etc.) in hopes of getting married. This already exists, it's called anti-feminist YouTube and Women Against Feminism. (Granted, many women in that place are married already) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 04:46 AM |
| 1 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?'Paying back women' for the consequences of unbridled hypergamy, is what feminists call, Political Misogyny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 04:45 AM |
| 1 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?it started in 2008. This isn't the place to talk about Occupy, that's why nothing goes anywhere here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 04:10 AM |
| 3 | Dave Chappelle's comment about abortion and abandonment in his Netflix stand-up special is a watershed moment for recognition of society's hypocrisy in how it addresses the consequences of men's and women's sexual expression.This is just not true, lots of MRAs who are still primarily father's rights advocates who hate the MGTOW anti-natalist attitude. Father's rights has a loooot of tradcons, of course it would, and should | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 03:53 AM |
| 1 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?I live in neither but not too far away and have friends who went to these unis, sounds promising | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 03:49 AM |
| 1 | Does being Chad help empathize with women?This is plain ass retarded. While attractive men tend to be more gynocentric, most incels have WAY TOO MUCH FUCKING EMPATHY for women and LOW SELF ESTEEM, which is why they don't inflict their sexuality on them, thinking they are unworthy, which because of Hypergamy's nature becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If they don't get redpilled then it usually stops there or even devolves into self harm and the rope, if they do that's when the radicalisation into misogyny occurs. A recovering Nice Guy … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 03:48 AM |
| 0 | If female sexuality is reactive, isn't the only way to turn them on by taking a risk and sexually harassing them?Yes, that's the whole point of thots abusing #MeToo, shit tests to weed out betas. Remember that anybody who at this point is so preoccupied with status games has never experienced genuine hardship or done so and miraculously came out of it still a bootlicker. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 03:41 AM |
| 1 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?UK? I'm IN UK. Granted, I am a few weeks away from homelessness, and I do suspect hypergamy is less problematic here in large part because gym culture is more niche rather than normative. Italy is far less prudish though also more rationally feminist (US is still essentially prudish) and Vietnam is quasi-patriarchal still | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 03:40 AM |
| 1 | What's wrong with starfish, ie maintenance sex?Post honeymoon sex isn't starfish sex. Starfish sex is this-man-I-was-tragically-forced-to-commit-to-is-so-pathetic-I-wish-this-marriage-vow-could-be-legally-classified-as-rape sex. Which is bad because if you say it is then it actually is marital rape. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 03:35 AM |
| 3 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?Just get out of here dude, the community will just make you suicidal if you're disabled or have mental illness. 90% of this community cannot relate to your living needs, the 10% who do are still women who won't date you IRL | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 03:30 AM |
| 4 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?live abroad | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 03:26 AM |
| 1 | With so many young celibate men, who are young women having sex with?Fuck this entire neoliberal ideology. We have a homelessness epidemic and privileged men and women can't see past their dicks/clits. We are overpopulated (inb4 Malthusian), the average couple can't afford kids and the average woman won't have casual sex with the average man. Emphasis on "Can't afford." What's done is done. Change things for the better, help your community, or be a selfish Reaganite prick and go fuck yourselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/19 03:22 AM |
| 1 | men are in denialReally? Interesting! I don't really inhabit the traditional Manosphere anymore so much as the MRM, I'm afraid. I'd say that anti-feminist and MGTOW culture have always had their differences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/19 03:11 AM |
| 2 | How does the blue pill help men?For once I can agree with a bluepiller. TRP is indeed gynocentric. Of course it would be. TBP has potential to be either ULTRA gynocentric (white knights) or not gynocentric at all (not giving a shit what women think of you for being more effeminate) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/19 11:14 PM |
| 3 | How does the blue pill help men?Can you name those unis for me please? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/19 11:12 PM |
| 1 | How does the blue pill help men?It doesn't. The purpose of blue pill is to protect women from male violence and anger | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/19 05:04 PM |
| 1 | men are in denialObsidian MGTOW would be a good start. Barbarossa. I know some on Facebook but I won't name them until they consent to it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/19 03:27 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (18 August 2019)still can't find that blocking feature | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/19 05:03 AM |
| 5 | men are in denialBlack men are the majority of MGTOW thought leaders. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/19 04:40 AM |
| 6 | men are in denialYou must be new here | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/19 04:12 AM |
| -9 | 18 Convictions and STILL walking free. Completely repulsive and disgusting.This is an old pussy past-2014. I remember when it happened. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/19 04:56 PM |
| 1 | CMV: It's a bigger red flag if a girl's ex's have cheated ON her, than if she has cheated on her ex's.Is this satire? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/19 12:06 AM |
| 3 | Is TRP & TBP bad?ITT A feminist comes into PPD to say, just as Mary Wollstonecraft did, that men are responsible for women being promiscuous and if they want women to stop being hypergamous, they should stop being fuck boys and commit to a woman. I sure haven't heard THIS one before! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/19 12:24 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The Blue Pill and Purple Pill, on the matter of female infidelity, is essentially the feminine imperative, less concerned with humanitarian morality and more with rational self interest of womenThe title shouldn't be taken literally, but the sentiment is essentially "men thinking that women do anything for them is a product of their worldview where they are at the centre and women an extension." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/19 12:36 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The Blue Pill and Purple Pill, on the matter of female infidelity, is essentially the feminine imperative, less concerned with humanitarian morality and more with rational self interest of womenIt's funny how nobody thinks that a woman can have a negative opinion of a demographic of women without hating themselves | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/19 12:34 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The Blue Pill and Purple Pill, on the matter of female infidelity, is essentially the feminine imperative, less concerned with humanitarian morality and more with rational self interest of womenhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/1823055121051510/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 06:01 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The Blue Pill and Purple Pill, on the matter of female infidelity, is essentially the feminine imperative, less concerned with humanitarian morality and more with rational self interest of womenhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/242045299818949/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 05:58 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The Blue Pill and Purple Pill, on the matter of female infidelity, is essentially the feminine imperative, less concerned with humanitarian morality and more with rational self interest of womenThanks for the translation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 05:06 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The Blue Pill and Purple Pill, on the matter of female infidelity, is essentially the feminine imperative, less concerned with humanitarian morality and more with rational self interest of womenThe idea that all people share in the same common humanity (men and women are all humans) and we each have an obligation to treat humans with kindness, compassion, empathy and tolerance. With the exception of those who refuse to show it to others. By this logic, it would be unkind to cheat on a non-sexist man, although it is OK to laugh at a man on Redpill (because he is, they would argue, intolerant, selfish, lacks empathy or compassion towards women etc.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 05:05 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The Blue Pill and Purple Pill, on the matter of female infidelity, is essentially the feminine imperative, less concerned with humanitarian morality and more with rational self interest of womenBe that as it may, if you think there is no overlap between Blue Pill and subreddits or tag groups with either feminist biases or obsessing over calling out men for random things, which tend to lean left, then I don't know what to tell you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 05:03 PM |
| 1 | What's the thought process behind these games young women play?Generally means she sees you either the backup beta bux or you've maxxed out to Alpha Bux or Beta Fucks status and she's tired of trying to get an AF to commit and convert to AB | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 02:21 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: WTF do BluePill women actually believe?And similarly the pay gap is not 23% but around 5-7% when you factor in lifestyle preferences (work/life balance, maternity leave) without arguing that this is patriarchal conditioning. It exists and likely a minute portion of it comes from alpha tradcon men with 'sexist' biases against women-in-power under egalitarian rules. It is nevertheless far smaller than it is believe to be. But that doesn't stop hundreds of thousands of people propagating the notion in the mainstream media of 77c to the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 02:01 PM |
| 1 | I think women should offer a paternity test to the father of their child without being asked.The thing women here are missing out on when they say "a man shouldn't need permission" is that actually, yes, if you don't want him to know that he's raising another man's kid, you can get feminist lobbies to criminalise him seeking it without your consent-or at all. And yes this has been done. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 01:54 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: WTF do BluePill women actually believe?Femcels reject this, that doesn't mean they're lying | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 01:50 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: WTF do BluePill women actually believe?BP come in 2 basic forms; normies (fairly attractive socially adjusted young people) here to flex and poke fun at socially awkward losers in their books, and lefty feminist Redditors mostly older Millennials through to Gen X, here to stop some dude they suspect of being about to join the Alt Right/become a wife-beater/shoot up a school. They basically edge as far as they can into female supremacy (or at least mockery of nerdy losers and NEETs) as they can, using the SAME evo-psych. that in the n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 01:44 PM |
| 2 | I hear a lot of people say that good stuff from Red Pill can be found elsewhere without all the bad. Where are people supposed to find these spread out resources?This is true of PP and RP too. The thing uniting these groups is that they want to see low value men out of the SMP/RMP by any means possible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 01:29 PM |
| 1 | I hear a lot of people say that good stuff from Red Pill can be found elsewhere without all the bad. Where are people supposed to find these spread out resources?Pretty much the only thing that can be found in RP that can't be found elsewhere is the idea of AF/BB and the idea AF/BB is wrong. And Red Pill, being feminists and gynocentrists at heart, would just say no it's not, stop being bitter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/19 01:24 PM |
| 0 | Why is the message given to men and women completely different? Men are told to improve themselves, women are told they are perfect just the way they areThat's part of it; whether nature or nurture I don't know, but the way men show 'affection' for other men is different to how women do. Paying attention to a man and being willing to share your story or give him advice IS the equivalent of women showing each other affection. edit: GC is a fucking awful example though, that's TERF Ground Zero, and TERFs are the extreme end of female supremacy/misandry in feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/19 08:11 PM |
| 0 | Why is the message given to men and women completely different? Men are told to improve themselves, women are told they are perfect just the way they areOhh gotcha. Yeah that's a big one. I just tend to call it paternal surrender-or financial abortion if I feel blase. Never heard of it as LPS | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/19 07:58 PM |
| 0 | Why is the message given to men and women completely different? Men are told to improve themselves, women are told they are perfect just the way they areLPS? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/19 07:54 PM |
| 12 | Why is the message given to men and women completely different? Men are told to improve themselves, women are told they are perfect just the way they areI don't think anybody here really cares, between the feminists who see everything rooted in misogyny and the trad-cons embarrassed to display any weakness. But I agree | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/19 07:52 PM |
| 2 | Why is the message given to men and women completely different? Men are told to improve themselves, women are told they are perfect just the way they areSociety assumes that a man who needs help in succeeding in attracting women, is a non-man, whereas it historically assumes a woman needs guidance in landing a man to marry. Society also used to call men preoccupied with how they look, how much they eat and what they eat, gay (as an insult.) It was assumed that as it was 'a man's world,' men knew how to navigate it and a man who struggled with this was, well, a boy. Women also blow smoke up each other's arses as a tribal bonding exercise, whereas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/19 07:43 PM |
| 1 | Why is the message given to men and women completely different? Men are told to improve themselves, women are told they are perfect just the way they areWhy can't it be both? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/19 07:37 PM |
| 2 | Why do Red Pillers fetishize traditional masculinity?Many Red Pillers are tradcons but for Feminism Also, the APA has had a feminist department (Division 51) for decades, but now that basically determines their policy on gender psychology | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/19 03:18 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)Vindicta is using female SMV to dread game men into doing your bidding. It's like RPW but more gynocentric | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 10:35 PM |
| 1 | Can someone explain the Pink Pill?The femcel hubs have now evolved into using a combination of radical feminist and Girl Game in order to manipulate men as well as keep average men away from them. They are also full of sexism. Additionally the fucking Reddit CEO Alexis OHanian is a feminist who has written on quartz about his opinions of toxic masculinity. Whatever bias there is against women on Reddit, it is not systemic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 05:57 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)There's GlowUp and Vindicta | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 05:54 PM |
| 1 | Can someone explain the Pink Pill?Why isn't it quarantined? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 03:41 PM |
| 0 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)Why the fuck is there a femcel equivalent of TRP? I've been successfully guilt tripped into NOT using abusive techniques, but I don't for a fucking minute think that bluepillers don't consider it OK to manipulate men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 03:18 PM |
| 1 | Empathy moratoriumThere was talk about banning or at least significantly limiting discussion of Feminism including men's rights a couple of weeks ago A recent men's rights post got removed | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 12:47 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)Oh, no. I mean, not as long as you consent to it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)3 years of you two being together? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 12:14 AM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)I'm sure that's the case for you. It didn't start off that way for me, it ended like that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 12:12 AM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)I've realised I can't actually say 'No' to women because they always go WAY overboard with punishing me for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 12:06 AM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)The difference is that if I talk back to you, you can file me for emotional abuse via the End Violence Against Women and Girls Act, just as my ex called me abusive when I started setting boundaries. Seriously talk back to me when every time you start setting hard boundaries with women they either turn like you did or worse, they threaten to report you to the authorities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/19 12:01 AM |
| 3 | Who Overestimates Their Value More?Psychology Today is a feminist pop-psych. rag, I obsessed over that site's comment section early on in my RP journey. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 11:22 PM |
| 1 | Who Overestimates Their Value More?Young women just because, bitter middle aged people on both sides of the fence (feminist/MRA-MGTOW) edit: A large problem is that as long as we have negative outcomes for women WITH low self esteem then we will never actually 'check their egoes' when they are narcs. We are never going to correct low self esteem in men culturally, in fact we see male suicide as being a product of male privilege. What profit motive is there to big men up? What political agenda? (OK, the latter one is wrong; tradco… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 11:21 PM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)her* | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 11:18 PM |
| 1 | When and why did our gender become so pathetic?I'm gonna go with single mums+Internet and social media (this benefited women more than nerds realise)+porn+xenoestrogens in most commercial food+shitty gynocentric mental healthcare | /r/askTRP | 02/08/19 11:10 PM |
| 1 | Q4MRAs who want "male homeless shelters" because some for women existOf course men are physically more dangerous in a biological sense. We can't change this, it's just a fact. MRAs sometimes advocate for domestic violence shelters because men can experience PTSD from an abusive partner just as women do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 07:58 PM |
| 1 | Q4MRAs who want "male homeless shelters" because some for women existIf a feminist talking point is actually going to result in statistically beneficial outcomes for real human men, then I would take that over 'SJW rekt' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 07:45 PM |
| 5 | Empathy moratoriumHey! Good choice. Incel posts which actually have a direction should be allowed once a week, the other 2 I literally do not understand how they can be banned at all. The Red Pill='Feminism lied about how men and women relate to one another/what gender equality would feasibly look like' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 07:43 PM |
| 3 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 July 2019)I've got serious sleeping pattern issues and every time I try and fix them I have a friend who is desperate to talk to me. Last night it was "talk to me now or I'll assume you don't want to be my friend anymore." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 07:28 PM |
| 0 | Imagine your first gf manipulated you into excessive spending on her, maxed out your credit cards, ruined your credit, and bought lots of pointless things; you learned your lessons, but now your current woman is upset you won’t let her ruin you financially-what would you feel?I get what you're saying, at the same time this is somewhat suggesting that women who are sluts have self esteem issues, thus contradicting most of the blue/purple narrative | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Q4MRAs who want "male homeless shelters" because some for women existI'd like the evidence that homeless shelters cater mostly to men. I talk to a lot of men on the streets and they are always stuck on a waiting list beneath higher priorities | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 07:00 PM |
| 2 | Q4MRAs who want "male homeless shelters" because some for women existbut that is...literally...what rad-fems advocate for...the abolition of sex differences | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 04:44 PM |
| 2 | Q4 AFCs: When you say you want “empathy” from women, what does that look like from her and how does it help you?I would say that, if an institution promotes sensationalist bullshit and you know it not to be true, to call it out even if it is self-serving. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 11:44 AM |
| 6 | Empathy moratoriumIt's because mods realise that the only thing which keeps this sub from not being banned is women approving of it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 02:43 AM |
| 15 | Empathy moratoriumModeration has been awfully gynocentric the past year. Incel topics: banned male woe-is-me: banned (yeah ONLY male, nobody is banning pinkpill posts unless they're stupid) empathy/sexual strategies in conflict discussion: banned Feminism and men's rights discourse: banned | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 02:41 AM |
| 2 | Do you really not understand why women don't want to be your "shit deal"Sounds pretty admirable and idealistic | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 02:36 AM |
| 1 | Do you really not understand why women don't want to be your "shit deal"a) Why are men arguing with women about their most sacred cow (paternal investment) Some women will literally let men DIE to ensure this similarly to how some men will allow women to be raped to ensure the male imperative. Oh sure she didn't pull the trigger, her orbiters did, white knights did so I guess 'patriarchy' did it. Where the fuck is power by proxy in all of this? b) I've noticed that BP are starting to give up on a moral angle entirely and just opt for admitting that women have the up… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 02:31 AM |
| 1 | Do you really not understand why women don't want to be your "shit deal"You know she can prosecute Chad for not committing to her? She can force that commitment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 02:17 AM |
| 3 | Do you really not understand why women don't want to be your "shit deal"I thought 'enjoy the decline' was accepting that society is fucked and there is no point trying to save it via traditionalism advocacy or MRA, so just be a hedonist. Not even about YOUR happiness rather the probability of saving 'the West' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 02:07 AM |
| 0 | Do you really not understand why women don't want to be your "shit deal"How do women even get deadbedroomed without being morbidly obese? They get Alpha Widowed | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 02:04 AM |
| 3 | Do you really not understand why women don't want to be your "shit deal"So for commitment/marriage/thetrad way of life to exist BOTH sexes have to give up a portion of their sexual strategies. Men can't poke whomever they want whenever they want and women can't sleep around either. Both sexes admire the thought of marriage/commitment the house white picket fence with 2.5 kids and dog however in today's world that is harder to do. Men have porn/prositutes/or their smv is high enough to where they can bang lots of women, and women have open hypergamy with little to no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 02:03 AM |
| 1 | Do you really not understand why women don't want to be your "shit deal"JFC YES they get that that is why the whole Reddit TRP and MGTOW thing exists. To respond to precisely that and to be either the Chad (Alpha Fucks) or the Alpha Bucks. It's tradcons, paleocons and MRAs trying to make society adapted to beta bucks again. You are doing nothing except reaffirming Red Pill truth after pushing women to the limit of the façade of the egalitarian paradigm | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/19 01:58 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: Why Do You Expect Women To Think Like MenOK but we're never going to have a matriarchy, a) Western Feminism largely just covers up wars in the Middle East by making us paranoid about a sickness in domestic policy b) The current Sacred Cow is liberalism/individualism and while women desire to have high status roles in government/law/politics/business, they have much less of a romanticised view on their duty to the nation state or even their community. Indeed for many of them it is purely: I like money, I like power and success, I like t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/19 11:38 PM |
| 2 | Why can't lower value men show empathy towards their equivalents who are most likely to get pumped and dumped and are as unlucky in finding romantic love?frivolous divorce-sometimes called 'divorce rape' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/19 11:20 PM |
| 2 | Many Red Pill ideas, like female solipsism, are based on junk science yet prominent RPillers promote them as "scientific".Check out 'Hormonal' by Martie Haselton, Rollo has met her and grounds most of his science in her research. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/19 12:56 PM |
| 4 | Why can't lower value men show empathy towards their equivalents who are most likely to get pumped and dumped and are as unlucky in finding romantic love?I'm empathetic to the struggles of overweight and non conventionally attractive women, but commitment by betas to these leads to frivorce | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/19 12:50 PM |
| 0 | Q4M: Why Do You Expect Women To Think Like MenI already did | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/19 12:47 PM |
| 7 | Q4M: Why Do You Expect Women To Think Like MenNot you specifically but most of these debates assume the male imperative to be a bitter misogynistic fantasy. When you combine radical with liberal feminism you get "women's preferences for attractive men to commit do not in any way contradict feminism but men's reinforce male privilege." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/19 08:36 PM |
| 15 | Q4M: Why Do You Expect Women To Think Like MenThey shouldn't. Better question is why is the male perspective misogynistic? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/19 08:08 PM |
| 2 | Do you really don't understand why men don't wanna be the "great guy" who ends up with you after you go through all the "assholes"?If they didn't give commitment and accept her frame they'd be incel | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/19 07:55 PM |
| 10 | Do you really don't understand why men don't wanna be the "great guy" who ends up with you after you go through all the "assholes"?They have no argument. It's just that "if you are insecure about being leftovers you are a hateful misogynist" Granted most women do not perceive it this way because terps forget that women are very good at erasing their exes from.their mind-even though it's in the shitting sidebar | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/19 07:37 PM |
| 5 | Why are young men so gullible to social media and fairytales?Based and redpilled comment | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/19 07:58 PM |
| 4 | Why are young men so gullible to social media and fairytales?Let's not do the Disney-lied-to-us strawman again. It isn't just Disney, and it should be no surprise that most men 'swallowing the red pill' were either sheltered as a child and young adult, or for all intents and purposes have a mental handicap on grasping neurotypical social dynamics. To your 2nd point; I'm not deluded into thinking most women can be, or even WANT to be, IG models. It's mostly young women, older women and overweight women with low self esteem. The ability TO have a side hustl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/19 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Where Does This Trend of Men "Waiting For Women To Save Them" Come From?Firstly you conflate feminist lobbies with women. Secondly men and women are meant to be a team | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/19 02:26 PM |
| 1 | Lacking Emparthy Towards MenActually feminism had already began to achieve its initial legislative goals as early as the 1880s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/19 04:12 PM |
| 3 | Lacking Emparthy Towards MenA lot of MRAs are confused as to whether tradcon-ism is compatible with men's rights advocacy. I've even had tradcon women friends who have heavily gatekept what constitutes a 'legitimate men's rights inequality' defined rights as 'rights under the law' and what is in their minds backdoor feminism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/19 04:11 PM |
| 3 | Lacking Emparthy Towards MenPatriarchy and gynocentrism go hand in hand. Most men will prioritise obtaining wealth and status to satisfy women's desires in a man over helping their fellow men at cost to his potential to reproduce/marry. Our thirst ruins us in ways which feminists seemed to internally accept better than we have. (Although to be fair, many feminists even in the late 19th and 20th century continued to not struggle to marry suitors and friends-and most married women today identify with some degree of historica… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/19 04:04 PM |
| 1 | Lacking Emparthy Towards MenI agree, except the organisation which once represented the people who had to do that now is the establishment blockading the men's generation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/19 03:35 PM |
| 3 | Lacking Emparthy Towards MenI don't think she said they're a non-threat, rather she said "ceteris paribus the risk is higher for women than men because of biology." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/19 03:34 PM |
| 1 | Lacking Emparthy Towards MenI think her position is fair. Thank you for sharing u/planejane, such outcomes are a natural consequence of the claim "domestic violence is usually reciprocal" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/19 03:32 PM |
| 2 | A Persons Pill Color is Directly Tied to Their Native Socioeconomic ClassPurple | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/19 03:09 PM |
| 1 | How do "beta" men date/marry in the first place?Frame is who controls the relationship. Who sets the terms. Does the relationship better match his or her vision? Who is doing more compromising? As a fairly extreme example, she wants a kid, he doesn't. Does he leave or does he stay and become a dad because it's what she wanted, trying to talk himself into going ahead with her decision? If he stays he's in her Frame. If he leaves and she promises to not have kids until he's ready, then now he does. In general the lower SMV partner compromises d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/19 07:57 PM |
| 1 | How do "beta" men date/marry in the first place?I've always understood Beta to mean that he would in fact be an attractive man IF hypergamy was not fixated on male behaviour. Betas accept and come into women's frame; they are only assertive enough to be functional. They have no major ambitions and minimal self interest beyond basic care. They have no interest in playing the game of war, politics, or high finance; they aren't particularly interested in status. It doesn't come naturally to them to leave people/jobs in order to change and pursue… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/19 07:45 PM |
| 2 | RPW seems like it serves the male imperative more than the female imperativeYes the goal of Feminism IS to manifest the feminine imperative everywhere and to crush the male imperative on sight, thank you for the reminder | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/19 07:27 PM |
| 2 | A Persons Pill Color is Directly Tied to Their Native Socioeconomic ClassSolid post, although how did I end up here if I am, strictly speaking, very barely LMC? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/19 11:40 AM |
| 2 | Do You Mentally Group MenNeurotypicals don't consciously think about social dominance orientation. It's instinctive when it comes to attraction/tribal security, and otherwise political (which is directly related to tribal security) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/19 02:48 PM |
| 0 | TRP is for losers who are too broke to get prostitutesI've seen the theory that a lot of RP issues, in America at least, is due to prostitution being criminalised alongside a culture which is simultaneously prudish (for everyone) in some areas and slutty (gynocentric) in others | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/19 02:46 PM |
| 1 | I don't understand how "sexual strategy is amoral."It's a phrase mostly defined as a way to say "the red pill doesn't condone misogyny", on the basis that trad-women define judging women's biological natures as misogyny. (Which is why most traditional 'anti-feminists' are in fact just first-wave feminists) But it then allows for a man who used to be very heavily self-conscious about treating women right (and thus being overlooked or even whipped as a result) to be less neurotic and more, well, self-interested. Does it promote narcissism? Basical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/19 02:34 PM |
| 1 | Why do people here act like there is some huge crisis the world is going though in terms of male-female relationships?Putting aside the sexual disparity Feminist and tradcon laws, gynocentric media/press, Gender Studies departments propaganda, and social media have all played their part in encouraging dysfunctional attitudes towards the opposite sex. I have seen hundreds of examples of men and women alike posting in completely apolitical forums for advice on their relationship. The answers are both a) growing stupider and more ridiculous b) more obviously bitter separatist. The dysfunction is becoming normalise… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/19 02:31 PM |
| 1 | TRP is for losers who are too broke to get prostitutesI was of the belief that sex workers weren't legal in every state. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/19 02:25 PM |
| 1 | What exactly is wrong with female led relationships?If you're a naturally dominant woman it's not a problem. But most women aren't and will resent him for his inability to lead, which kills their attraction. It's a biological thing. Most women who WANT to be free to be dominant don't want a man to be incapable of leading either. I would put 90% of liberal feminists in this category; they want women to be free to social, professional and political equality (if not supremacy) over men, but in the bedrooms they definitely don't want to be led. This … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/19 02:04 PM |
| 1 | CMV: I think the 'manosphere' is tempting for guys because people shame guys for asking how to get laidBecause feminists successfully institutionally blacklisted non-feminist-approved pick-up artistry as connected to rape culture, and normies (who don't care about gender roles) find socially awkward nerds to be losers it's fun to point and laugh at. Conservatives don't want to have to pay for the potential kid (hence child support and an emphasis on being financially responsible) and liberals/progressives (including most leftists, frankly) see controlling women's sexuality in any way as indicativ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/19 01:52 PM |
| 1 | Does BP accept or reject the idea of the dual-mating strategy (AFBB) ?Do you actually want to have sex with him though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/19 01:44 PM |
| 1 | Does BP accept or reject the idea of the dual-mating strategy (AFBB) ?Yeah I continue to just dip in on the purple end. I remember when BP agreed wit EVERYTHING about RP's burdens on men and NONE of the agency of women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/19 01:41 PM |
| 1 | I can't fucking do it.This is highly relatable. I've been aware of TRP for 5 years and still not a Chad. I'd like to say I 100% don't want to be but I don't need to be to be happy. I need to be more...functional than what I have been. So. Rather than trying to be 'alpha', what is YOUR ideal self like? | /r/askTRP | 23/07/19 03:08 PM |
| 2 | Why can’t men and women see what each gender brings to the table in terms of dating?Why can't men and women of PPD because this is a battlefield. Men and women in general get along fine until they're rejected | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/19 12:01 AM |
| 1 | Off Topic Thread: Politics (20 July 2019)I can see how that'd work. To clarify, I agree libertarians aren't (modern) liberals; by definition they are either leftist or rightist | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/19 11:57 PM |
| 2 | Off Topic Thread: Politics (20 July 2019)Leftists are authoritarian against fascism on the ground that fascism won't reciprocate free speech. They aren't liberals, leftists aren't capitalist. Beyond that you have a range from hippies to libertarian socialists to anarchists to tankies and of course the paradox of NazBol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/19 11:06 PM |
| 3 | Off Topic Thread: Politics (20 July 2019)There is barely any difference between UK's Conservative and your Democrats | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/19 11:04 PM |
| 1 | Off Topic Thread: Politics (20 July 2019)easily | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/19 11:04 PM |
| 3 | Can Women have Dark Traid Traits like Men?Smh...TRP exists to expose this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/19 11:02 PM |
| 2 | Do you think online dating for average guys is really the huge struggle that men of Reddit make it out to be?It's empirically hard work but exaggerated a little by incels and even MRAs, mostly for political ammo | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/19 11:02 PM |
| 1 | Is the fear of divorce (and all its negative repercussions) holding you back from getting married?yes, I commented several times recently about my parents | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/19 11:01 PM |
| 2 | Is the negative aspect of sex positivity, sex positivity itself?Feminists see symptoms of the consequences of sex-pos but never tie it back to sex-pos. For example in 'Everyday Sexism', Laura Bates weeps for teenage girls aggressively solicited by teenage boys for nudes, to "get your tits out" and the like. But she does not ask, why are young people hyper-sexual to begin with right now? (Or rather, she asks but concludes it's better to let children be children-while deriding 'boys will be boys' as rape culture.) We do not know if adolescent hyper-sexuality i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/19 11:00 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (21 July 2019)How do you block members? I thought you got banned for blocking members | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/19 10:53 PM |
| 2 | Question(s) for Men on the spectrum (autism/asperger) who are into game, PUA, TRP, etc. (Other people are welcome to answer)There is a lot of good stuff about Game. I would advise against taking ideas like hypergamy, branch swinging too literally and personally. You have to learn to become distant from the potential outcome. There comes a point where your desire to ensure you are desirable enough for her to not cheat/deadbedroom you is motivated by neediness and fear of losing control. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/19 02:51 PM |
| 2 | Redpill vs Bluepill. Ambition vs Contentment with average.Blue pill consists of 2 groups Normies who already have sex and relationships with ease, have next to no difficulties socially integrating or adapting to modern culture/economy (neoliberalism, cosmopolitanism), may be financially successful and highly educated, and therefore cannot understand what TRP is about. The Game parts of it come naturally to them and the way RP tries to systemise it comes across as pathetic autism mixed in with misogyny. Feminists and gender atypicals who criticise and/o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/19 01:44 PM |
| 3 | Are all sex-specific subreddits toxic?Any identity politics sub which doesn't tolerate treating people from the out-group with a right to contribution to discourse and civil counter-argumentation, eventually becomes radicalised. Whether or not that makes it 'toxic' is a political judgment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/19 01:34 PM |
| 1 | Both pills are trueRP is coherent even if morally repulsive, psuedoscientific and reactionary. TBP does not actually have a framework, it is reactionary feminism to reactionary anti-feminism. TRP's foundation is gender essentialism, TBP is only against that insofar as it hurts feminist-defined marginalised groups. (Women, LGBT basically) You can say BOTH TRP is right that most men are not attractive, because most modern men are fat lazy whiney poor cunts who couldn't socialise with a block of cheese, but that's yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/19 01:27 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: What kind of dating advice did you get early in life?Nobody gave me any. I'm the disabled brother/son who everybody claps manages to achieve anything in life despite being severely butterfingers autist. In fact my mum actively threw scepticism at me about my one relationship, and did not want to meet my ex, which just reinforced the cultural differences that in part led us to breakup (the other being redpill and my insecurity about cheating) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/19 01:21 PM |
| 1 | Relationships are better than a constant stream of hookups, CMVThe reaso i want casual sex is that my dad committed to his second date for 20 fucking years (my mum) and she cheated on him, or went to, before filing divorce papers. For the last 2 years of the relationship she treated him like absolute shit. I am of the belief that would not have happened had he have been more sexually or even 'relationally' experienced. On one hand this is a selfish ego-boost. On the other hand it is rather gynocentric to think that 'trust' is going to protect you from the c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/19 01:17 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Sob stories from unattractive women get more sympathy and less criticism than those from unattractive menYou're in a redpill place, they see toxic masculinity as either natural and just, or basically men's fault with a minority of 'brainwashed' women contributing to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/19 01:11 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Sob stories from unattractive women get more sympathy and less criticism than those from unattractive menWhy are people being disingenuous? Clearly in a redpill place men get the benefit of the doubt.* That's like me saying sexism doesn't exist because feminist spaces always take a gynocentric position. But by and large unattractive women receive more sympathy. This is mainly because of white knighting, then the ER incident and other incel shootings, (as well as random rape/abusive-ex-kills-woman-who-dumped-him incidents) but its also because of traditional masculinity being centred around agency a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/19 01:08 PM |
| 2 | What are your hang ups about discussing things here?Another thing I don't like is the tendency to just downvote everything you don't feel is worthy of arguing. This place is rather elitist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/19 10:11 PM |
| 0 | What are your hang ups about discussing things here?My main hangup is the no-incel-talk rule, which limits being able to ask for non-redpill advice,as well as the no-politics rule for reasons I have previously stated | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/19 06:08 PM |
| 1 | Do women even like sex with men?Tbh I think that a lot of sexually beta behaviour comes from a frigid/prudish upbringing. If you look in particular at the upper-middle-class in Victorian and Edwardian England, it's full of men who feel uncomfortable discussing sex in any capacity-and it's not necessarily them not being sexually attractive but rather the degree to which their morality was conditioned to associate non-productive (pre-marital sex without the aim to sire children) as 'degenerate underclass behaviour.' The movie Mr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/19 01:18 AM |
| 1 | Being blatant honest WITH LTR when I'm low/depressed?This place is awful for depressed men buddy. If you can't separate the personal from the political you're gonna have a hard time... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?That's incredibly dad, thanks for sharing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 07:12 PM |
| 3 | Just curious, are there any non-RP guys out there who are at least open to the idea of marriage (with a prenup, of course), or are men universally across the board just outright turned off by the idea of marriage, period?Ghat has everything to do with TRP That is the gateway bluepillers have no solution to other than blame us and our dad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 02:17 PM |
| 2 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?GSRM, as Dr Doolittle would call it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 02:27 AM |
| 3 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?I’ve never seen a normal guy care at all for women’s opinion to such a degree. This is why TRP teaches to literally not care what women think; because these guys used to care WAY too much what women think. But then that's called misogyny for disrespecting her humanity | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 02:26 AM |
| 2 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?The National Coalition For Men have succeeded in changing this, such that now women have to register for the draft to be eligible to federal loans. (Or at least that is on the cards.) Hardly a 'success' compared to 'abolishing the draft' but I guess it's too much to hope for world peace... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 02:21 AM |
| 1 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?? Well I shouldn't be. The weird thing is that my mum didn't raise me to be this way directly. I don't even know how I ended up this way. Sometimes I think I got neutered by being in the care of special needs co-ordinators in school since I was, like, 5 and I was only truly 'all on my own' once I graduated at 21 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 02:10 AM |
| 1 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?aspects of that complex, yeah... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 02:03 AM |
| 0 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?I don't know tbh. I was on the very very fringe of the progressives in school via friends-i.e. was friend-of-a-friend to some future college socialists who now want nothing to do with me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 01:39 AM |
| 2 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?Probably around 30%? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 01:16 AM |
| 3 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?Nope, those are all factors; the PTSD from the vets for example. However, even if they aren't causing it, turning a blind eye is bad in its own way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do you know anyone in a "dead bedroom" situation? Why do you think their bedroom is dead?this | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 12:58 AM |
| 3 | Sociology researcher Alicia Walker: "Then I saw another study that some high 80 percent of folks never get caught cheating and that number is even higher if you’re a woman."It's interesting but markedly gynocentric ever since psychoanalytic feminists basically surgically dissected the frameworks/chains of reasoning that they deemed to reinforce male chauvinism (Betty Friedan, Simone de Beauvoir, Juliet Mitchell, Judith Butler, Karen Horney, Naomi Weisstein etc.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 12:43 AM |
| -2 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?You'd hope they stop and ask him how he is, maybe give him some change, talk about it with people among all the other thing young woke teens talk about. They have less of an excuse in a day and age where schools literally ram progressive ideals like environmentalism down children's throats | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 12:37 AM |
| 2 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?While they aren't personally at fault (unless they, say, spat on him), it's symptomatic of society turning a blind eye and failing to connect the dots. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 12:35 AM |
| 2 | "Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid of being killed." Is this truer than ever now?No, this is just a way to frame the complex multi-faceted issue of sexism as unilateral power dynamics disadvantaging women and any grievance men hold as being illegitimate and dangerous. Why do you think the MRM manifested? The funny thing is Atwood was sick of MeToo for 3 months or so in early 2018 before suddenly withdrawing that and working on her sequel to The Handmaid's Tale. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 12:23 AM |
| 3 | "Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid of being killed." Is this truer than ever now?The only way women can ever stop being afraid and powerless is the end of men. They only possible end goal for feminism is to either lock all men up for being men and being strong enough to hurt women, or possibly chemically medicate boys at birth to prevent them from developing aggression or musculature. the problem there of course being that women sexually select for both of these things, so that is the end of our species. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?Also, by and large women either empathise for the groups which it is politically correct to empathise with-due to groupthink-or are just as self-interested and callous as the average toxic man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 12:16 AM |
| 3 | Where Does This Belief that Men Would Benefit if Women Had "More Empathy" For Them Come From?Since this has already been heavily policed for incel rhetoric*: I want them to recognise that a lot of the men they passed on the street, homeless, ended up there from trying to give their everything to a woman who was ultimately materialistic and never happy with what he could offer. When I see 17 year olds walking round with 3 shopping bags next to a 35 year old ex vet or a man in his late 50s covered in dirt, that troubles me a bit. And I try to help these guys. I give them some spare change… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/19 12:14 AM |
| 5 | Sociology researcher Alicia Walker: "Then I saw another study that some high 80 percent of folks never get caught cheating and that number is even higher if you’re a woman."Sounds horribly psychoanalytic | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 11:56 PM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (14 July 2019)Not literally in her house but still near enough for her to visit twice a week | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 11:24 PM |
| 1 | Man here, I have a problem with the whole 'market' philosophy and want to know what you thinkMarkets exist but TRP somewhat underestimates the degree to which culture influences attraction. Not so much "what constitutes fertility" as "what constitutes power/status/high survival probability" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 06:19 PM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (14 July 2019)Maybe...she's not hostile about it though, just kinda smothering/overbearing (not as bad as she used to be tho) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 03:19 PM |
| 2 | The Prison RuleYou think most rape and sexual harrassment is men that don't understand what 'no' means? Most incidents of rape and assault are not knife-wielding-maniac-springs-from-the-bushes. That leaves either using force on a partner who doesn't want it, or not pulling out when a 'yes' becomes a 'no not any more'. This may be a Yes to foreplay but No to sex, or a Yes to 20 minutes of sex but No to the rest. The latter 'going too far', as I understand it, constitutes the majority of teenage sexual assault c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 01:23 PM |
| 1 | Why do many women refuse to make the first move?That's affective empathy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 12:45 PM |
| -1 | "Toxic Masculinity" and the War Against MenIt can't be reframed (as in, fighting a losing battle) because entitlement to the benefits of masculinity while prosecution for the harms it does is the building block to modern civilisation. The building block to patriarchal civilisation of course being society's entitlement to the benefits of both sexes while prosecuting both for deviation. See The Scold's Bridle for example. The only way is to regulate their sexuality. As long as women sexually select for men on the Dark Triad and strong men,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 12:29 PM |
| 2 | Why do many women refuse to make the first move?You're entitled to how you feel about it, but why do you not feel comfortable? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 12:22 PM |
| 2 | Why do many women refuse to make the first move?Although this is a well-worn MRA canard, the comments are telling namely of the sort of demographic being pulled into the pillsphere on either side. On one hand you have women who are afraid. Who are certain they'll be rejected. Who are bumbling and socially awkward and don't know where to start. On the other you have women who say "because I'm hot, I don't have to, suck it loser terps, not my responsibility to deal with your feefees." Or indeed this is their opinion as a 'red pill woman' too, n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 12:20 PM |
| 3 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (14 July 2019)Why can I not say no to my mum?! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 11:45 AM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?It continues the let's-laugh-at-beta-husbands trope | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/19 01:13 AM |
| 1 | How much actual effort do you put into getting laid/dating when you're single?Wow, yeah, I think I might just be afraid to seem interested in anybody. I don't put in any effort to meeting people; in case it isn't obvious, my mental health isn't the best. Also, deliberate semi-colon because I have to practice and apply Standard English for my career path. I don't specifically claim about not getting laid though; I talk about a lot of gender dynamics (which includes ones affecting incels) and this is interpreted as "hurrdurr bitter you can't get laid." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 11:42 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?Which first premises? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 11:32 PM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/A-Girls-Guide-to-Man-Management-by-Jane-Matthews-author/9781573242905 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 11:32 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?It seems impossible to let go of feminism while debating bluepillers. As I see it, bluepill is composed mostly of active feminists and progressives, and a handful of anti 'third wave feminists' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 11:20 PM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?When I was in the library today I looked at the sex and relationships section. I saw everything from Steve Harvey's Act Like a Lady, Think Like a Man to guides about cougars, call-girls, 'Is Monogamy Dead? and so on. This was one book of many, but it seemed the most explicitly patronising of husbands in tone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 11:11 PM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?Prosecuting as a crime? No. Sanctioning as a source of shame? That might be necessary, if not feasible given modern atomisation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?Hmm I understand. In terms of red pill rage about sex differences, I think the category you described are one. Frankly this is what happened to me for a while; I no longer see adult relationships quite so maliciously but still among my peer group. The other are the hyper-rationalists, perhaps obsessive-compulsive, who fall for the snippets of evo-psych because of a fear of the irrational and unpredictable. I admit I was one too. I think the way that this has been politicised and pathologised as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 11:07 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?Well a lot of men who end up there are co-dependents. The emulation of the Dark triad is meant to compensate for being 'naturally' (or rather socialised/traumatised to be/have) low self-esteem, neurotic tendencies, self depracation, neediness and a reliance on covert contracts due to scarcity mentality to sex/love/validation. The expectations put on these men can be unreasonable and scar them. The entire approach relies on 'tough love.' I'm not a masculinist though (Im really a dissenting Men's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 11:05 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?It isn't that Feminism consciously conspires to this as the aim, that would be silly. But it's an option. Prosecuting or sanctioning women for infidelity is considered residue of patriarchy and toxic monogamy. Which is fair....to a point. I think that when we have Psychology Today claiming "women cheat because their husband is a selfish ass" then we've crossed that point. As to being affronted; well I was at first, because every single authority figure I had in my childhood made Feminism out to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:53 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?Sad but true. Men are meant to be available for her later in life because it's what she needs right now. What continues to make me wonder is whether she genuinely regards her beta buxx as second best loser for security, or genuinely rewrites her memory to forget that she was more attracted to previous men. (Or perhaps does, genuinely, shift affection and even attraction to said beta buxx) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:51 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?Feminism has given women legal and cultural leverage to do that with no legal and minimal cultural repercussions already. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:48 PM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?It makes a bit more sense; originally it just came across as tsk-tsking OP basically | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:48 PM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?This is the problem cited from Friedan's The Feminine Mystique. But following an egalitarian lens, to claim the pressures put on men by TRP aren't self destructive are non-existent, is biased. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:45 PM |
| 1 | Why do women feel so offended by numerical ratings?Oh! If it's unconditional validation then most women are fine with being rated highly lol. It's rating them anything average or below average that offends them. This is because female sexuality is literally narcissistic in nature-as in it is turned on by being praised and admired (provided unattractive admirers keep their distance) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:34 PM |
| 1 | Why do women feel so offended by numerical ratings?Because the vast vast majority, probably 95% of Western women are 'liberal feminists' to some degree or other. When they say "I agree with the first wave" they basically mean this. Feminism already won that battle (and I'm OK with that.) Then came radical feminism N.B. For anyone on the peanut gallery, yes I know of the suffragist/suffragette controversy, yes feminism has always been rotten etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?OK. So essentially you're saying that women intuitively understand sex differences in behaviour, sexuality and psychology. When you frame it like this, the 'Man management' book doesn't sound quite as misandrist as it originally did. My complaint is mainly that no male equivalent exists in the mainstream. Even Neil Strauss sold out with The Truth. The closest I know of is Mark Manson with Models, who hung up Game to become a self-help author. (I strongly suspect he knew that it'd be career suici… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:29 PM |
| 1 | Why do women feel so offended by numerical ratings?OK, so, basically women who broadly identify as feminists (and some who agree with the basics of the school of liberal feminism, but do not identify as such) complained of one of two things: i) Men judging their self-worth on their looks. I.e. dehumanising unattractive women ii) Men pedestalising their looks while ignoring their other attributes. I.e. "I'm smart, why do men focus on me being pretty?" This complaint got formalised in academia, framed as an element of male privilege, and now strat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:24 PM |
| 1 | Why do women feel so offended by numerical ratings?Please don't tell me I need to explain objectification theory to you...seriously, TRP is a hall of mirrors without grasping at least this. Not trying to be a snob | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:13 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?Also I think that a lot of women are oblivious to how a reminder that you are hot stuff (through casual sex) actually helps you maintain confidence and not act needy in an LTR with a woman you may feel IS worth settling down with. Case in point the story about my dad I just shared on another post today. It's unreasonable for them to expect 'sexual confidence' to be manufactured out of either nowhere, 'The Secret/Law of Attraction' style, or the development of utterly NON-SEXUAL skill sets. But t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:11 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?That just confirms the RP notion that sexual strategies are in conflict. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:07 PM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?Is there some context I'm missing? Expecting redpill guys who may have been alienated from their dads in their childhood to take their alienating mom's opinion at face value is a bit of a reach. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:05 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?refusing to acknowledge female motivations I come from the Warren Farrel side of the MRM, and 'feminism-lite' before that, so not empathising with women's reasons for things doesn't come naturally to me. The thing is in the broader pop-culture, I don't actually know anywhere which represents 'men's motivations.' 'Male self-interest.' We're lucky to see a positive representation of fathers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:03 PM |
| 1 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?I've since met and somewhat talked to, through my other Manosphere forays, Tradtube content creators. Why don't RPW go talk to them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 10:00 PM |
| 1 | Why do women feel so offended by numerical ratings?Objectifiation is, like, entry level feminism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:57 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?If women are naturally redpilled then the feminist narrative of traditionalism-as-false-consciousness falls apart. I think women are naturally conscious of female anatomy, of pregnancy and risks arising from that, and therefore why to be wary of cads, etc., but modern mercenary and supremacist attitudes towards men is not natural. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:44 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men have it better than women when it comes to sexAye that's fair. I think a lot of men are too picky with looks, but by the same token women who think they deserve respect by virtue of vagina are just reinforcing sexism. If sexism is to die then intelligent, pro-active and responsible women with a hold on their emotions would be valued over dumb 'thots' who think the ability to not get fat makes them qualified for executive level or whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:38 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?OK, so you acknowledge that modern 'girl Game' precedes guy Game by a generation. RP is basically a response to The Rules | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:34 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men have it better than women when it comes to sexWhile I agree that desperation compounds the problem, many men who raise their standards end up in the modern equivalent of the stocks; either on a public social media call-out post, or local papers as a "woman blasts man who dared to [say his honest opinion] about their date" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:26 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men have it better than women when it comes to sexThere's a fair few solutions to this, and shaming guys for being bad in bed is none of them | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:24 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men have it better than women when it comes to sexNope, this place attracts people unironically posting supremacist trash (from both sides) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Q4A: How many of you aren't interested in casual sex, and desire sex mostly only with someone you have a strong emotional connection with?I'm a hopeless romantic idealist at heart, so raises hand That said, I feel like I need some casual sex for the purpose of ego boosting. My dad only dated one woman before my mom, meaning his current girlfriend is his third. I don't know anything about the first and it sounds like it was just a date or two, nothing which went anyway. It's very possible he lost his virginity to Mum. In any case, by the time I was 12 he was the family punching bag, and he was signing divorce papers and losing his … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:16 PM |
| 2 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?If men who are redpilled are triggered by RPW then I agree they're idiots. If however they are new to the whole gender politics thing, or perhaps just dabbled in very milquetoast debates on modern feminism, then I would sympathise with their outrage. To normies, Redpillwomen reads as a Stepford Wife fantasy. This is one thing I DO give feminists credit on, for calling it out as manipulative-but for every 1 of those you have 10 saying it's internalised misogyny incarnate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:09 PM |
| 3 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?Blue pill is literally feminists and 'the feminine perspective' arguing why TRP should be deplatformed as toxic masculinity and rape culture. This isn't a judgment; it's plain as fucking day the intention of the entire blue pill community. The overlap between feminists and bluepillers is huge, which is why it's a red flag to me that feminism is 'off-topic' as of a couple of months ago. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:07 PM |
| 7 | Why do women/bp fail to understand that TRP is for men to chase their own selfish desires?This is actually the subject of several relationship books, a little watered down but the essence of it. 'Man Management' comes to mind | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:04 PM |
| 2 | Why men and women have completely different experiences when it comes to women approaching guysHi! Afraid to say I don't recognise the username...but sounds like cxj or Wassup? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 09:02 PM |
| 3 | Q4Men: why do men get angry about women who get free drinks when the free alcohol is intended to make us drunk and therefore less likely to say “no” to sex? Alcohol affects consent.Yeah this is straight up feminist paranoia | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 08:16 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men have it better than women when it comes to sexOnly being solicited by men in your league isn't oppression | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 08:12 PM |
| 2 | Q4Men: why do men get angry about women who get free drinks when the free alcohol is intended to make us drunk and therefore less likely to say “no” to sex? Alcohol affects consent.I will give you that, at least Boomers and older can be like that. But still nobody gives an entry level male graduate a job just for being a man. As to Millennials I can't even remember a time in my childhood where brazen sexism of women being intellectually inept was tolerated. The biggest changes in the 3rd wave have been: masculinity as problematic, heterosexuality as problematic, monogamy/monoamory as problematic, nd sex positive feminism i.e. pro sex work pro women rejecting men for any re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 07:16 PM |
| 7 | Why men and women have completely different experiences when it comes to women approaching guysMost high SMV men want the chase, obviously most women only bother feeling approach anxiety dor these guys, and since they get rejected, they conclude 'men' want to control women and it's better to make 'men' (meaning low average guys) approach/be rejected | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 02:30 PM |
| 6 | Q4Men: why do men get angry about women who get free drinks when the free alcohol is intended to make us drunk and therefore less likely to say “no” to sex? Alcohol affects consent.Benevolent sexism is literally being treated 'nicely' by virtue of being a woman. I can see this being ambibalent (both benevolent and hostile) but there is no equivalent where men are just given power for no reason but penis. Society does not privilege people unconditionally. Also of course getting free money with no sex would be something you like...that's peak hypergamy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 02:25 PM |
| 2 | Is MGTOW just the male equivalent of ''I don't need no man!!!''?Yeah but why is that an inherently bad thing? Women have every right to be happily single. The difference is feminists politically impose their ideals on the population. Call.me when MGTOWContent Creator has a date with the APA to reform policy guidelines and with some 'prgressive psychoanalysts' to set up the Journal of Gender and Sexuality: Neomasculinities Edition. Call me when the UN thinks you getting trolled for disagreeing with Sarkeesian's opinion that Mario getting Peach breeds male ent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:56 PM |
| 2 | Could the obesity epidemic be another reason for the sexlessness epidemic?I have started to think there is no sexlessness epidemic, rather this is just a trough in a VERY unnatueal peak called the Swinging 60s when literally everyone except the nerds hit the dance floor or the picket lines. When people can be activists without being lazy keyboard cunts they will quickly lose some weight | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:50 PM |
| 13 | Q4Men: why do men get angry about women who get free drinks when the free alcohol is intended to make us drunk and therefore less likely to say “no” to sex? Alcohol affects consent.If you argue that benevolent sexism is objectification then you have to argue male privilege is disposability. I.e. people respect men more but only provided they are of use to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:47 PM |
| 1 | Is all strsight sex rape/assault in this day and age?I've been told that laes against power imbalance aren't gendered but I don't see it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:46 PM |
| 2 | [Q4RP] What does PPD get wrong about TRP/MRP that you'd like to correct?'Can you say the same thing but with less misogyny and more criticism of men/male privilege for not bejng able to deal w/it quietly' isn't a counter argument | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:40 PM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP Encourages a Mindset which Women Find UnattractiveThis is just incorrect. Women have innate neural proclivities to higher verbal intelligence than an untrained man. It's an adaptation to help manipulate the environment when distressed-neoteny | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:37 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP Encourages a Mindset which Women Find UnattractiveDidn't Reddit TRP largely start because of ideas which a Seddit admin had around the time feminists were coming down hard on the pickup community? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:34 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP Encourages a Mindset which Women Find UnattractiveHow many times does it need to be said that TRP is supercompensation for having previously been a hopeless romantic? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:31 PM |
| 1 | Is MGTOW just the male equivalent of ''I don't need no man!!!''?Check your inbox please buddy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:26 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Briffault's Law applies beyond sexual relationships, in the sense that it is the needs and desires of women which effectively change the environment and take precedentA lot of these are admittedly conjecture from experience and observation. But Schools centred round boys-> see Christina Hoff Sommers The War on Boys, Warren Farrel The Boy Crisis. Carol Gilligan yep, although she received criticism she overturned the educational precedent of Kohlberg. There's a lot of feminist theory(like psychoanalysis) which while just speculative and subversive went on to be institutionalised.Furthermore it is not incorrect to say that 'red pill data' is kept out of the Acad… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/19 01:09 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Briffault's Law applies beyond sexual relationships, in the sense that it is the needs and desires of women which effectively change the environment and take precedentIt's reasonable to an extent, but if all her energies are on being a mom and not on being an SO, then it's not fair to blame HIM for the lack of spark of romance | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 11:40 PM |
| 8 | Is MGTOW just the male equivalent of ''I don't need no man!!!''?I'm of the belief that identity movements go nowhere until they meet up in person. I've been semi-active in men's rights platforms (can't say more without giving away anon) and it's true that reliance on the Internet is a problem in all sorts of ways. If I had to boil it down to a few points it would be The Internet makes people lazy and troll-ish. They will write and post inflammatory screeds or posts to virtue signal, but then never actually contribute shit when it matters. Especially money. P… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 11:36 PM |
| 2 | These days what is the RP knowledge that causes RP rage?Mostly for anxiety issues and 'self-reported difficulties with relationships/relationship stress' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 11:24 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Briffault's Law applies beyond sexual relationships, in the sense that it is the needs and desires of women which effectively change the environment and take precedentif you just look at history for a moment men set up and rule families in a lot of societies and cultures. I explicitly said 'unless there is a conscious effort to maintain a patriarchal family' Basically, without authoritarian male-centrism, the dynamic will naturally shift to gynocentrism. This is compounded when anti patriarchists implement gynocentric ideas besides that both men and women do have a say in how families work. legally and politically this just is not true right now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 11:18 PM |
| 1 | Why should young men get married if you can just have a string of short-term relationships?Asking PPD as a redpiller or MGTOW sympathiser is basically asking either for validation of the redpill view on things, or for the feminine perspective from bluepillers. While TRP falsely claims to represent men's needs, bluepill openly represents the feminine defence against a perceived violation of women's rights and wellbeing. That is literally what The Blue Pill is set up to do; to convert men from being either abusers/wifebeaters, or shooters, seen as the logical end-point by anti-redpiller… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 11:05 PM |
| 2 | Why should young men get married if you can just have a string of short-term relationships?By then it will be too late. That's exactly what "enjoy the decline" means | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 10:47 PM |
| 1 | Why should young men get married if you can just have a string of short-term relationships?As I understand it, it's marginal, some 45% women to 55% men. I think we can reasonably say that means we can't gender infidelity but it's a legit concern, especially with existing family law and expected relationship dynamics for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 10:46 PM |
| 2 | Mental health is always unaccounted for in TRPMental health is routinely accounted for in TRP. They just tend to exploit victims of it and idolise male egoism (mostly because they were co-dependents previously) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 10:30 PM |
| 0 | Why a more traditional society wouldn't workI don't currently have access to my notes (and to show you where they are would be to dox me) but it's Chapter 1, around page 20 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 10:26 PM |
| 6 | Why should young men get married if you can just have a string of short-term relationships?Why are you asking women on advice as to why to not follow what is in their interest for their security phase? Asking this makes them disqualify you as omega with bad genes already. Fuck's sake | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 10:10 PM |
| 1 | Why do women think that men never talk ("whine") about our issues with them? And why do they equate this to a lack of sexual success?I'm pretty sure Atlas said she is a diagnosed sociopath | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 10:04 PM |
| 2 | Is MGTOW just the male equivalent of ''I don't need no man!!!''?r/MGTOW2 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 10:02 PM |
| 0 | Do you think there will ever be a push against socially acceptable forms of male shaming?I see places like A Voice For Men trying to sway with reasoned arguments (mixed in with some political rhetoric, sure.) Doesn't stop accounts being taken down like Paul Elam. basically, if you judge a movement on its willingness to die for the cause, skin in the game as it were, then you can't use the fact leaders are in jail as evidence that it's a hate group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 10:02 PM |
| 11 | Is MGTOW just the male equivalent of ''I don't need no man!!!''?Go to MGTOW2, it's a work in progress. The original is a rage sandbox. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:58 PM |
| 1 | Ideas about how to be a beta provider in new eralike have male help you raising children is not a natural right but an unnatural privilege for female I don't think you understand the feminine imperative. if men don't fulfil what is perceived as a right then the state will force him to do so. No reciprocal obligation exists back for her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:57 PM |
| 3 | What has been your experience with MGTOWS?MGTOW seem to me to be some of the few people willing to actually set a boundary with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:54 PM |
| 4 | These days what is the RP knowledge that causes RP rage?Put it this way. I tried to discuss red pill in counselling in 2015; they changed subject and got discharged a session later without explanation. There is a big effort by media, universities and pop-culture to either deny women can be shitty (or just self-interested) or re-frame it as breaking oppression. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:51 PM |
| 18 | Why do women think that men never talk ("whine") about our issues with them? And why do they equate this to a lack of sexual success?Because women obsessed with this genuinely believe that men who have any kind of issue in a relationship whatsoever are sub-human scum. Are you new here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:42 PM |
| 2 | Why a more traditional society wouldn't workAlso you haven't met the Luddite tradcons who do want to end capitalism (?), take away birth control because of its side effects etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:34 PM |
| 2 | Why a more traditional society wouldn't workIsn't this, like...the entire purpose for the propertarian model? They even use the term 'parasitism' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:26 PM |
| 5 | Why a more traditional society wouldn't workI broadly subscribe to this analysis but ultimately it is just a Marxist feminist analysis of the status quo-whether or not you are a feminist. It's not like critiques of historical materialism don't exist and it's also nearly meaningless if you reify the status quo as desirable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:25 PM |
| 2 | Why a more traditional society wouldn't workAngela Davis explicitly praises matriarchal lineages within slave culture in Women Race and Class.Including where paternity control is low i.e. there is little concern about a woman having children from multiple fathers, | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:24 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (07 July 2019)Do you see any men helping their female friends get married? maybe not married but it's fairly common for either platonic guy friends or girl friends to help women when struggling to have relationship success-and vice versa The point is that I feel like maybe our friends consider us so inept that this doesn't apply to us. Do your female friends know you think of them like this? This doesn't sound like a trusting and genuine friendship to me. Stuff happened yesterday which made me revise my trust… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 09:21 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (07 July 2019)Admittedly no. Nor did they ask for our help (but partially because I don't think they think we have a clue.) I can't decide whether that setup is a healthy degree of interdependence, or a lie | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (07 July 2019)One of the tougher parts of the red pill is observing social dynamics in friendship settings. Basically, all of the girls have had exes (some of whom we were friends with until the relationship ended, then they were cut out of the group) and regularly joke about or bitch about some guy they are talking to online/seeing, who we rarely meet. Usually involves getting their phones out. And the girls are not particularly attractive, not like they are Stacies, nor are they the cartoonishly pedatory an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 01:33 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Why do you feel solely responsible for problems (sex or otherwise) in your relationship?and yet the group is allegedly getting more 'red pill and woman hating'? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 12:08 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL - How has being LGBTQ+ Effected People’s Views of Gender on PPD?Thanks for sharing! I admit that for me to reach this standard I'd have to perform femininity as hard as I sometimes have to perform masculinity. But you do you! It sounds like your relationships would be really cute. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 03:23 AM |
| 2 | Q4ALL - How has being LGBTQ+ Effected People’s Views of Gender on PPD?This'd correlate with the data that lesbian couples have the highest rates of IPV (inter-personal violence) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 03:17 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: Why do you worry about all of the TRP stuff? If you follow the basic rules of getting lean, getting a career, and getting your shit together, you will be fine --- almost regardless of your personality.Chads get raped and harassed The law does not give men handsome-passes the way it gives young attractive women pussy-passes for crocodile tears (or just authentic tears from fear and immaturity.) A false allegation is a false allegation. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorn'd. There are some kooky extrapolations from RP theory, but the basic idea of holding frame (boundaries) with a woman and walking to signify refusal to accommodate intolerant behaviour is not something questionable if you want… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 03:14 AM |
| 2 | Off Topic Thread: Politics (13 July 2019)To an extent; it gets weird when you meet libertarian feminists, or purple Ancap women who still express liberal or even radical feminist ideas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 03:03 AM |
| 1 | Why do people despise MGTOW?MGTOW is disliked because it's an infancy liberation movement still formulating its own discourse. Being out of favour with its predecessors on the left, it has turned to either reactionaries or nihilists for guidance. People don't like seeing the grief phase. Of any civil rights movement. They will be scared and willing to destroy it once it gets rolling and becomes a threat, but they will just point and laugh at one trapped in learned helplessness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 03:01 AM |
| 1 | Why do people despise MGTOW?keep working in society and pay their taxes 'cept there's a lot of dudes trying to evade taxes and/or working the bare minimum | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 02:57 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Why do you feel solely responsible for problems (sex or otherwise) in your relationship?Ultimately most red pillers believes that internalised shame is not toxic (as most of the psychiatric community believes, as opposed to guilt) and regard it as something which can spur them to action and growth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 02:44 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Why do you feel solely responsible for problems (sex or otherwise) in your relationship?Still astounded that we can't use the F word on a fucking redpill spinoff sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 02:41 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Why do you feel solely responsible for problems (sex or otherwise) in your relationship?Is this a thing? I had a post taken down without explanation (the one about spending more time with my niece than socialising/dating) as being off-topic | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 02:33 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Why do you feel solely responsible for problems (sex or otherwise) in your relationship?OP is right, RP has mostly become so banal that it blames men for the slightest infraction. It's essentially reifying woman-as-passive | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 02:26 AM |
| 3 | Thinking sex is a reward women handout is a product of a beta mindset.Besides the comment about how woman-gives-sex-to-man .e. sexual selection is the evolutionary default (though what we think of as traditional roles isn't the default per se) the great irony about RP and PUA in general is that it is basically an extended effort to get laid as much as possible. More power to you, but to say therefore that men who regard sex as a reward have a 'beta mindset' which you lack is just laughable. Everything RP does is still just a way to accrue power, easy access to sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/19 02:10 AM |
| 11 | Why can't your average person admit or see that we're a severely sick society?Who wrote Enjoy the Decline? | /r/askTRP | 13/07/19 11:33 PM |
| 1 | [Q for Blue/Purple Pill] To what extent am I, and other men in my situation, responsible for being a very present and active father figure to children who aren't our own?Huh? How isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:50 PM |
| 1 | [Q for Blue/Purple Pill] To what extent am I, and other men in my situation, responsible for being a very present and active father figure to children who aren't our own?I enjoy both in small doses. But self-improvement, like parenting, isn't all fun and games; it's often about discipline. The friend is basically saying my lack of discipline (in their eyes) is probably going to result in me being undesirable as a partner | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:50 PM |
| 2 | [Q for Blue/Purple Pill] To what extent am I, and other men in my situation, responsible for being a very present and active father figure to children who aren't our own?Great point. As it is she's way too young for me to know how she'll turn out. She's energetic and extroverted, a little bossy but not sure I'd say that's narcissistic (children are naturally narcissistic as the neural circuits for empathy take a while to develop) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:46 PM |
| 1 | [Q for Blue/Purple Pill] To what extent am I, and other men in my situation, responsible for being a very present and active father figure to children who aren't our own?I'm not 100% sure why I feel this way. To be an uncle, yes, but it's not pressure I need as I'm happy to help. To be a father, no | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:45 PM |
| 1 | Direction of the sub.OK...it might be worth having discussions about determinism vs. social construction. I think that living with a determinist view on female behaviour means you either HAVE to become a tradcon (even hiding behind the 'feminist' label) OR become a gynophobe/misogynist by nature. When there is a belief in the capacity of humans to change then we actually have something to work with. This is why I spend a lot of time looking to dilute the pill, e.g. that hypergamy is a predisposition but not an inevi… | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/07/19 10:40 PM |
| 1 | Direction of the sub.You could post things like TRP does about Mediations and other ancient words of wisdom, however, the general Philosophy community has now come down hard on 'Broicism' | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/07/19 10:35 PM |
| 1 | Cognitive dissonance on /r/AmITheAsshole when OP criticizes his woke 'Feminist' friend for sleeping with misogynistic guy. Comments call OP asshole.Wasn't always this way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:29 PM |
| 2 | Cognitive dissonance on /r/AmITheAsshole when OP criticizes his woke 'Feminist' friend for sleeping with misogynistic guy. Comments call OP asshole.Well I'm glad you're honest. Though I'm not sure this is a female thing as much as super-compensation; the equivalent of the publicly homophobic Republican privately in the closet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:28 PM |
| 1 | [Q for Blue/Purple Pill] To what extent am I, and other men in my situation, responsible for being a very present and active father figure to children who aren't our own?What? The fact I'm family is part of why I feel this obligation, and it's not like I have ignored her entirely. Probably see her once a fortnight right now. Even so I'm not sure whether feeling a need to sacrifice my own social life for her (to see her more often) is healthy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:25 PM |
| 1 | [Q for Blue/Purple Pill] To what extent am I, and other men in my situation, responsible for being a very present and active father figure to children who aren't our own?Huh? We teach men to stop wasting their value on investing in women who don't reciprocate (NiceGuy/orbiter mentality.) This is a version of that but with family and being an almost single dad for a kid, without becoming the single mum's partner. I'm sacrificing time out of my day I could be doing online dating or developing my skills to cover for the absent dad. Or rather I'm not consistently doing that and I feel guilt about it. Why do you think it isn't relevant? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:17 PM |
| 1 | [Q for Blue/Purple Pill] To what extent am I, and other men in my situation, responsible for being a very present and active father figure to children who aren't our own?Well, that is the dilemma I am wrestling with. Didn't this sort of blase, self-interested attitude cause her to lose her dad in the first place? Also to clarify, I live near my mum (though not with her) and when my mum is babysitting my niece, she will often ask if I want to come over and join in, basically. Sounds weird from the outside I know...on a few occasions I have gone with my dad to babysit at my sister's while she is it; Dad babysits for her regularly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:11 PM |
| 6 | What’s the RP Take On Non-Sexual affection?RP is an offshoot of pick-up artistry with the end goal being as much sex with as hot women as possible, really. It's shallow like that. Therefore they see sex as 1st prize, touching as 2nd (kino/foreplay), general friendliness without obvious attraction as consolation prizes and women disliking you as personal failure. I actually ruined a relationship with this rigid RP approach; in hindsight there was some kino. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:08 PM |
| 1 | [Q for Blue/Purple Pill] To what extent am I, and other men in my situation, responsible for being a very present and active father figure to children who aren't our own?it is weird af to me that you would frame this as "sacrificing SMV/RMV" though I find this curious-but then do you find the preoccupation with how attractive people are in RP weirdly neurotic to begin with? This partially comes from an RPW friend of mine (who is a trad mum) who said that I spend too much time helping others and not enough seeking to advance my career/status. She basically validates the neuroticism while encouraging me not to be angry about it. It isn't so much that I don't want … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 10:02 PM |
| 1 | Off Topic Thread: Politics (13 July 2019)The overlap between anti-feminism and the American libertarian right is massive in my opinion | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 09:56 PM |
| 2 | Off Topic Thread: Feminism (12 July 2019)Repeating what I said earlier with more clarity. The red pill=claiming to have 'woke up' from 'lies' about gender dynamics allegedly promoted by feminism Bluepillers are, by and large, feminists or feminism-sympathetic How on Earth can Feminism be off-topic to a Red Pill community? Even when it's criticising what traditionalists advise people to do as well, traditionalism is itself anti-feminism so that is still a connection. Bizarre... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 01:19 PM |
| 1 | Direction of the sub.I think this is a great idea, albeit I think there still needs to be a redpill rage sandbox | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/07/19 12:30 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL - How has being LGBTQ+ Effected People’s Views of Gender on PPD?Hello! Can you elaborate what feminine mannerisms and interests are specifically please | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 12:28 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL - How has being LGBTQ+ Effected People’s Views of Gender on PPD?I'm not LGBT (I think-I may be bi, not sure) but TRP is profoundly hetero-normative. I think a lot of redpillers play this down because feminists have a habit of using this as some sort of "gotcha" which discredits the theory entirely. Of course that would assume some form of default homosexuality/bisexuality-which is the goal for many queer theorists, though not all. I attempted Judith Butler's Gender Trouble this month and it's very interesting, particularly the way Butler argues that second w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 12:27 PM |
| 0 | Q4Men: Why do you feel solely responsible for problems (sex or otherwise) in your relationship?Reddit redpillers arren't MRAs or MGTOW. They aren't trying to revolutionise culture. They are just trying to max out how many times they get laid with hot women. Honestly. In general women are turned off by men who don't take responsibility. So men who care about keeping women turned on, become obsessed with the idea that "it's your fault, never hers"-ironically little different to feminism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 12:20 PM |
| -4 | There are almost no family men defending the blue pill, because after having kids beta men experience exactly what the red pill predicts: scorn and rejectionWhy has no-one tried to debunk the claim that "bluepilled men stop getting offered sex because they are unattractive, claiming it's because of post-pregnancy health problems is a lie to save face"? Claiming "have more empathy for women" doesn't actually challenge the claim that women stop having sex after pregnancy with men who aren't attractive enough for it to be worth it. Which is the crux of his OP (Downvoting isn't an argument, nor is saying OP is an asshole) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/19 12:12 PM |
| 4 | Leftists and the male sex.MGTOW2 is pretty good | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 06:27 PM |
| 1 | I'm red pilled but super liberal and support feminism - women should be free to select high value males as nature intended - race to the topI'm extremely used to people conflating a bunch of opposed positions, so just want it from the horse's mouth | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 05:03 PM |
| 1 | I'm red pilled but super liberal and support feminism - women should be free to select high value males as nature intended - race to the topWhen you say 'leftist' do you mean libertarian socialist or Ancap? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 04:49 PM |
| 5 | Doesn't the red pill's theories negatively impact women too?Of course TRP negatively impacts feminists, it's gender essentialist and biologically deterministic. The simplified principle is that men are only utilized by women for their financial value. This is where you get confused, however. On the whole feminists complain that women's social value is reduced to their beauty/youth/fertility. RP often come from backgrounds who tried applying a very rigid white-middle-class 'traditionalism' in a liberal-progressive sexual marketplace. These guys were basic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 03:07 PM |
| 1 | Do you think there will ever be a push against socially acceptable forms of male shaming?I meant in general. It's common for the MRM to be held to the double bind of a) being illegitimate and needing to be disbanded b) being legitimate only if active | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:58 PM |
| 21 | Leftists and the male sex.Oh come on this is simple. If all men are 'freed from the traditional breadwinner role' then economic production will plummet, which means women and children dealing with survival insecurity (plus alphas having less money/power, which is not OK with them.) How many bona fide leftist women do you know? Not many, they're generally liberals. A lot of leftists don't like nanny statism the same they don't like rainbow washing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:53 PM |
| 3 | Women experience "the anger phase" too, and it's just as toxic.Paul Elam addresses this all the time. A lot of RPers are determinists so they borderline victim blame abused men as being unable to satisfy hypergamy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:48 PM |
| 2 | Women experience "the anger phase" too, and it's just as toxic.Lots of time outside. The closer to nature the better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:46 PM |
| 1 | Women experience "the anger phase" too, and it's just as toxic.Kinda agreed. Would warn you that as soon as there's NPO funding for it it needs to somehow by in line with feminist policy. Otherwise it's an entirely grassroots initiative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:44 PM |
| 2 | Women experience "the anger phase" too, and it's just as toxic.Tbh most people here are low empathy, highly disagreeable rational egoists of some form. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:42 PM |
| 4 | Women experience "the anger phase" too, and it's just as toxic.The difference is women's anger phase gets regular slots on New York Times and Huffington Post. Cathy Newman's book 'Bloody Brilliant Women' can be seen as an 'anger phase' to being mostly outmatched by Jordan Peterson. The feminist narrative says that men's anger is illegitimate as a privileged class; to put it in the words of Michael Kimmel, 'aggrieved [white] male entitlement.' A lot of mature and self-aware women take responsibility for their own shortcomings and limitations in relationships… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:39 PM |
| 1 | Off Topic Thread: Feminism (05 July 2019)MGTOW and the tradcons precede TRP and MGTOW heavily influences it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 12:14 PM |
| 1 | Off Topic Thread: Feminism (05 July 2019)LOL, insisting that women think differently by virtue of vagina and should not be listened to because "what they say they want and what they really want are different" is a priori not feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 12:13 PM |
| 4 | Do you think there will ever be a push against socially acceptable forms of male shaming?A mix of practical and psychological obstacles to overcome. The fear of being seen as weak/lower status. Processing that fear but not letting it consume or define you. Achieving this psychological breakthrough without the help of the other liberatory movements which tend to, well, not like the manosphere… Standing up to the white knights Being willing to accept incel-dom, which is to say not backing down just because women/society don't find the behaviour sexy. Accepting that you can't have your… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:49 AM |
| 2 | Do you think there will ever be a push against socially acceptable forms of male shaming?I've said this before: You can either have "they are useless whiners who don't do anything constructive for their own cause" or "they are so hate driven they shouldn't be allowed to exist." You can't have both | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:35 AM |
| 1 | Do you think there will ever be a push against socially acceptable forms of male shaming?Yeah that's mostly a product of Western individualism (some Eastern cultures as well, but less so except in shaming a family to the public) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/19 02:31 AM |
| 2 | If sex matters to you, a long-term monogamous relationship is a terrible choiceBluepill are never going to advocate for traditionalism again dude, just give it up | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 11:25 PM |
| 1 | Hey brothers. Can someone give me some advice on confidence?Just checking in to say super wholesome vibes on this post | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/07/19 11:23 PM |
| 1 | Why do men think most women will accept having their children outside of marriage?Yeah-when it's just casual sex. There is serial monogamy too, which both men and women engage in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 09:58 PM |
| 1 | Why do men think most women will accept having their children outside of marriage?At first I thought you were oblivious to the marriage laws, but you say below that contemporary marriage is 'insurance' from him up and running. Do you not see how this is kinda toxic? You're basically financially blackmailing him into staying with you. Most men don't understand because this is a tradcon position | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 09:44 PM |
| 2 | Is there such a thing for women as "knowing how to talk to men"?Feminism (rad-fems) taught women that using social skills on men undeserving of it (as determined by how she feels in the moment) is emotional labour-as it amounts to a form of validating men which reinforces patriarchy. Straw man? No this is canon. The result is some get sloppy at it. However on the whole women are both naturally and socialised to be better at socialising. They just use it on other platonic matters (or the men deemed worthy of expending energy on.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 03:19 PM |
| 6 | For guys who go to the gym, when do you stop? At what point are you like, okay, this is enough?You don't ever stop, however realistically I find that I lose my entire evening doing travel to gym-> workout-> making dinner when home. So if I want to do any other hobby it's going about 3 times a week. My friends and family want to socialise every single week too, so not as much time at the weekend. OH my body is basically catabolic by default fwiw | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 02:11 PM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (07 July 2019)My friend is of the opinion I do too much self-care and don't work hard enough to find a job/study | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 01:56 PM |
| 1 | The "Fuck Boy" Phenomenon and why men would love to be considered guys who women think are only good for sexWhile it implies a fraternal idiocy and vacuousness, the obvious reason that redpillers pedestalise this man is because with current marriage laws etc. he's the highest value and also the safest to be, if you are sexually active at all. And however much bluepillers argue NAWALT, there is too much evidence that LTRs when not attractive enough for casual comes with a high risk of being the stereotypical 'beta bux' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 01:19 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: how much time do you actually spend around women in real life?Not much, but I'm unemployed and likely to be working in a middle or high school by the end of my studies, so par for the course whether I like it or not... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 01:15 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Even if you don't agree completely with the other side, what have they taught you?The main decent thing BP (more purple pill really) teaches is that a lot of pathological female traits, that is traits seen as innately female, are just the products of untreated personality disorders. If you're an optimist then I guess that their insistence that "love relationships still exist" is refreshing too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 01:09 PM |
| 1 | Off Topic Thread: Feminism (05 July 2019)Liberal feminism correlates with a decline in benevolent sexism, but cultural feminism shoots it back up again. (See Carol Gilligan) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 12:56 PM |
| 1 | Off Topic Thread: Feminism (05 July 2019)I got downvoted for sharing my opinion on this the other day so to repeat. We don't believe "women can do no wrong", but we are taught to believe that it would be sexist and prejudiced to assume that any woman would act like that. By counsellors, by social workers, and obviously by feminists. We are taught to feel ashamed of the AWALT heuristic and to view it as a psychological coping mechanism which represents a fear of being vulnerable/wounded. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 12:54 PM |
| 1 | Do You Resist Jealousy or Indulge In It?I feel envious of normies who are able to not give a fuck about anything political really. I have so much gender theory in my head that it's confused me on how to act IRL. I'm the only MRA I know, indeed the only straight person who isn't an American feminist on the Internet, who feels a moral obligation to read shit like queer theory. From the outside looking in my friends (and a lot of anti-feminists I talk to online) think I'm crazy and obsessed, but whenever I debate feminists online if I do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 12:48 PM |
| 3 | Off Topic Thread: Feminism (05 July 2019)I'm still absolutely fucking lost how 'feminism' is off-topic on a subreddit which is a spin-off of a reactionary anti-feminist subculture | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 12:44 PM |
| 2 | Why do women keep insisting that men who are players will have women who reject them in relationshipsBecause most of TBP are just here to trigger the redpillers too far gone and convert the fence-sitters back to some form of feminism (or at very least NAWALT/it's-men's-fault/it's-your-fault-male) They're correct, as they are often correct on contesting hyperbolic redpill claims. But functionally the only debate going on here is "do men or women have more dyadic power and can you tell me why that setup is a good/justified thing?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/19 11:46 AM |
| 2 | I litreally don't know how to think or act anymoreThere's 2 basic ways to apply the red pill. One is defensive, the other is offensive (and requires willingness to manipulate people and/or let them suffer in your pursuit of power.) I opted for the defensive-protection against manipulations, shit tests, boundary violators, Dark Triad people, and general pathological psychology. Who btw exist in both genders. But internalising it and applying is far more difficult than intellectualising it. You have to feel the latter, which can hurt. A lot. Trus… | /r/askTRP | 10/07/19 05:58 PM |
| 0 | What are the best things a guy can work on to become more attractive to a woman?Physique, testosterone levels/general hormonal profile, socioeconomic status, social skills/charisma, humour, life skills esp. 'fixing' things, fashion sense, talents esp. creating 'art', intelligence, general knowledge, sex skills, parenting skills Broadly speaking, men produce to be noticed sexually/romantically, women consume by default and an (admirable) minority produce to resolve an existential crisis of not being respected as a consuming sex-object | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/19 06:29 PM |
| 0 | How would men from broken homes get a "Women can do no wrong" attitude?Bear in mind also that even if you 'wake up' and complain about stuff like this in therapy, counsellors absolutely are under policy obligation not to radicalise you against women (or any group, but in this context women are the most relevant) The more gynocentric ones need a lot of compelling evidence before they're willing to risk teaching you how to set boundaries specifically with women and toxic mothers, even. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/19 06:28 PM |
| 0 | How would men from broken homes get a "Women can do no wrong" attitude?You're asking how do toxic mothers successfully engage in parental alienation? This is one of a few topics which society in general supports. But you have to bear in mind that a kid from a broken home is cough likely to be depressed enough to spend literally 10 or more hours' a day ruminating on the internet or playing videogames etc., forgetting to eat regularly and get enough sleep. This fries your memory and concentration span. Living with depression is like living with a pereptual hangover; … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/19 06:26 PM |
| 2 | Is Red Pill the Fascinating Manhood?TRP is generally speaking embracing some form of paleo-masculinity. While it's not necessary to be so to be 'red pilled' (MRA MGTOW for example tend to be more mainstream libertarian/conservative), actual TRP subculture tends to breed paleo-conservatism too. At times the rhetoric employed is reminiscent of Mussolini's 'New Man' and this is (a major reason) why the left in general (feminists in particular, for obvious reasons) and many liberal feminists attack it (also why I'm wary of it lol) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/19 06:19 PM |
| 3 | Is Red Pill the Fascinating Manhood?Not according to you? I'd say that's true in general, yeah. I think Men's Lib confuses a lot of men because it is mostly meant to be an extension of the original Gay Lib now that LGBT is generally a female-centric space. Instead you have lots of guys who are not gender typical hoping that they will be socially free to act feminine, and yet still attractive to conventionally feminine women. (When these guys are confused that similarly gender a typical women want gender typical men, then I sympath… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/19 06:17 PM |
| 6 | why do men think feminism is dating advice?If we're bringing in privilege and specialissation, then that's because many feminists have explicitly said that men are included in either the intersectionality framework or in social liberation discourse. At least if their concept of liberation is leftist, as Men's Lib is. bell hooks even has a book, 'Feminism is for Everybody.' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/19 06:14 PM |
| 5 | why do men think feminism is dating advice?Why do blue pill men turn to Feminism? Because they're blue pill? Because they see women as mother figures? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/19 06:12 PM |
| 1 | Is Red Pill the Fascinating Manhood?The majority of them don't see how the two are correlated-not to mention that there are plenty of hot men in (neo)liberal culture (celebrities) who espouse feminist and otherwise liberal-progressive values. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/19 06:07 PM |
| 0 | Is Red Pill the Fascinating Manhood?Because they (radical feminists at least) think social dominance orientation is the root of all oppression, inequality and evil in the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/19 06:04 PM |
| 1 | Does anyone find it ironic how reddit likes to shit on gender studies, but gender studies is literally what we're doing?This is an apt summary | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/19 03:42 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone find it ironic how reddit likes to shit on gender studies, but gender studies is literally what we're doing?What compelled you to read her then?! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/19 03:39 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone find it ironic how reddit likes to shit on gender studies, but gender studies is literally what we're doing?I feel it does from what I've read so far-which probably isn't as much as yourself, tbf. There is no 'anti-feminist' position in Gender Studies, only a critique of a certain school of Feminism-and for the most part it's only acceptable to critique the suffragettes and other 'liberal feminists' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/19 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone find it ironic how reddit likes to shit on gender studies, but gender studies is literally what we're doing?There are citations, however, and while it's mostly just of other feminists making the same argument (or the argument they are refuting/critiquing) sometimes this is data analysis | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/19 03:33 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone find it ironic how reddit likes to shit on gender studies, but gender studies is literally what we're doing?...yeah, I read that first essay very recently, Atlas. Sounded like virtue signalling to the up-and-coming intersectional crowd if I am honest She even refers to the 'dangers of a colonising perspective' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/19 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone find it ironic how reddit likes to shit on gender studies, but gender studies is literally what we're doing?What do you study/teach? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/19 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Why do so many women still believe that modern women don’t treat men differently according to looks?Because most women, including many feminists, still capitalise on holding the moral high ground that patriarchy (traditionalism) afforded them despite not following any of the old rules to feminine virtue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/19 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone find it ironic how reddit likes to shit on gender studies, but gender studies is literally what we're doing?Butler does mention an anthropologist, to be fair; Charles Levy-Strauss | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/19 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone find it ironic how reddit likes to shit on gender studies, but gender studies is literally what we're doing?Yeah, that's why I haven't enrolled in it. I just pick books up and read/critique them | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/19 01:55 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone find it ironic how reddit likes to shit on gender studies, but gender studies is literally what we're doing?I'm studying Gender Studies in my free time. Currently reading Judith Butler and Sheila Rowbotham. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/19 01:52 AM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (19 May 2019)I have REALLY bad mommy issues, sometimes our relationship sounds abusive to outsiders. There is no way I can date with this going on, when I stand up for myself over her small criticisms building up and basically walking into my place and judging whatever she feels like, she goes for the emotional jugular and always leaves me feeling guilty and a foolish, ungrateful child. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/19 08:07 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (19 May 2019)100?! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/19 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (19 May 2019)I'm sorry for your loss, wub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/19 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Freaks & Geeks & Extroverted ComfortNo t's just look at my history, I'm basically the reason they stopped allowing woe-is-me posting. While I was away other incels came in and they set the no-incel-posting rule. Everything is filtered with that in mind. edit: apparently I am 1 in 100 shitposters being post-vetted on PPD. I find this kinda relieving even if it means less infamy, lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 05:02 PM |
| 3 | Freaks & Geeks & Extroverted ComfortI simply can't. It's either mask as normie or study hard as a hermit. I've tried hedonist culture and one hangover is enough to make me want to jump out the window. I had to realise I'm a bit of an idiot whatever the certificate degrees say. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 04:58 PM |
| 1 | Men who expect women to postpone their careers or stay stagnant in order to get married...why not just support your wife in chasing her dreams?No I'm still a bit damaged by how my mother treated my father. But thanks for playing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Shouldn't men be happy that some women settle for BB? If no woman do, a large proportion of men would not have any chance with any woman.OK, thanks for the reassurance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 03:54 PM |
| 2 | What is a unpopular or obscure opinion or theory you have relating to this sub that you havent had a chance to voice because it hasn't come up yet/lately?I believe this subreddit is far more gynocentric and anti-male than it is anti-woman. For the 20-30% of misogynists we have a bunch of women talking about how modern men are socially awkward, dick is abundant of low value, and their boyfriends are lucky to be with catches like them because they could drop 'em in an instant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 03:27 PM |
| 1 | Shouldn't men be happy that some women settle for BB? If no woman do, a large proportion of men would not have any chance with any woman.Did you not yourself say that your husband is lucky to have you? Are you lucky to have him back? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 03:25 PM |
| 2 | Shouldn't men be happy that some women settle for BB? If no woman do, a large proportion of men would not have any chance with any woman.we've all met women who've retconned their very normal boyfriend into a sociopath who never loved her post-breakup but that's never discussed here. it's a combination of 'men are misogynists' and 'men are pathetic boys we can wrap around their finger' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 03:24 PM |
| 3 | Shouldn't men be happy that some women settle for BB? If no woman do, a large proportion of men would not have any chance with any woman.Is alilabelle a troll account? She seems too 'AWALT' to be real. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Men who expect women to postpone their careers or stay stagnant in order to get married...why not just support your wife in chasing her dreams?That was historically the case under patriarchy. Under Marriage 2.0 it's the opposite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 03:10 PM |
| 1 | Women can get sex or relationships way easier than men, but is it higher SMV or because many men are thirsty and lonely?It's partially testosterone and partially the fact that we have normalised the idea that relationships are a privilege women bestow on men. Look at how many women on PPD talk about how their partner is lucky to be with them. It sounds like they think that they're getting the short end of the stick. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 03:05 PM |
| 1 | Older women of PPD (preferebly 30+), how's dating for women at your age?The degree to which all-but-traditional-women get anxious about the decline of the fertility window is exaggerated. As I said in an earlier comment, feminists have researched how previous generations of women coped with single-hood (especially the GI gen of widows) and tried to apply this to boost the self esteem of single women today. The double standard is that women have little patience for single men and feminists and anti feminists alike don't take much for them to fall back on gynocentric … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Why are men strongly attracted to women with masculine interests, but women are generally strongly repelled by men with feminine interests?Historically masculinity is characterised by activity and dominance while femininity by passivity and submissiveness. While feminine activities do provide a form of nurturing activity, men cannot be passive...ever... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/19 02:47 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badgers: being left of center (politically) is incompatible with the MRMThis I didn't know, worth looking into. Thank you! | /r/MensRights | 21/05/19 07:03 PM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (19 May 2019)Sorry, I have a habit of talking in acronyms. That is indeed right, TRT=Testosterone Replacement Therapy. It's a simple blood test, actually! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/19 06:58 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badgers: being left of center (politically) is incompatible with the MRMThere is a big difference between 'unexamined leftist policies don't help working men' and 'no leftists welcomed.' | /r/MensRights | 21/05/19 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badgers: being left of center (politically) is incompatible with the MRMYes I've noticed that the Overton window in the MRM has shifted further right (and it was already right when I got here 3 years ago) I blame Trump. Seriously. Since the 'Red Pill' got re-branded as being 'redpill liberals' we have had an influx of cookie cutter right wingers and ancaps. Then because of free speech valuing we end up with crypto-fascists shilling Dark Enlightenment or hard patriarchy. This example is fairly tame-I don't expect Honeybadgers to support socialised healthcare unless i… | /r/MensRights | 21/05/19 06:54 PM |
| 8 | TRP tries to change people's attachment styles, it probably doesn't workFind me a woman who sn't turned off by anxious-attachment or emotional investment and is unlikely to cuckold, hit me, assault me or cheat, then we'll talk. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/19 09:22 PM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (19 May 2019)My testosterone has gone down in the last 5 years, currently standing at 380ng/DL Too high for TRT scoff I'm 26, my (sex) life is over before it even began | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/19 09:14 PM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (19 May 2019)Some of the mods are feminist and the group has become more gynocentric over time. About 80% of posts are women and white knights trying to devalue male SMV and RMV while inflating female SMV and RMV. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/19 03:20 PM |
| 1 | If women tolerate solitude better than men, does that mean that they will discard BBs for the state without looking back?There have been books and other materials about how single women handled singledom and boosting women's support in loneliness for a while, and the general zeitegsit is against mocking women for loneliness unless they engage in heinous misandry. Here's just one https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/mar/02/all-the-single-ladies-rebecca-traister-pays-unmarried-women-their-due While not even feminists try and pick-up men who are lonely unless the guy eunuchs himself by identifying as asexual or que… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/19 06:50 PM |
| 2 | Do male misogynists - actually - exist?Great find | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/19 06:38 PM |
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