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Cultish thinking and bizarre conspiratorial/fringe beliefs are fascinating to me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/16 05:05 PM
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Where your assumption is wrong is assuming that every single woman can find a "beta bux". Go to any shitty store that pays minimum wage and see how many women are working there. They aren't doing it because it's fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 09:08 PM
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Again, the very name of the subreddit is an indication that the vast majority of the rest of the world disagrees. I don't even have to make the argument -- you folks have already made it for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 04:26 PM
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Only if they generalize their personal experience to the entire human condition. There are far more than 160,000 people who disagree with you -- which is why your shitty sub is a Matrix reference to some secret hidden truth that nobody else knows about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 04:23 PM
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Again you are taking your experience and thinking it's universal From the OP: my experiences and conclusions are representative of everyone's experiences and conclusions That's exactly what you are doing here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 02:16 PM
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Similarly /r/niceguys proves all men cannot mature
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 10:58 AM
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I'm describing all women. Not just the ones I attract. You missed the point of this entire thread. You think you're describing all women, because you think your individual experience is universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 10:57 AM
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Raising a child isn't supposed to be a quid pro quo arrangement
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:18 AM
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whats the difference between those options and men wanting to be able to have some sort of opt out clause? The fact that it's the woman's body who must carry the child to term for 9 months. For a sub that preaches so much about "biology" it's really amazing how this obvious truth is so missed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 10:14 AM
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The problem is the autistic manchildren who frequent TRP read these things and put all these "tools" together into one big abusive mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 07:51 AM
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Your entire argument is a square pipe dream you desperately want to fit into the round hole This is really ironic because it seems you are desperate to fit this story into your preconceived narrative. the amount of women who would love him vs the amount of women who'd dislike him is not in your favour That's fine, nobody is saying otherwise. It's not hard for me to accept that different women have different preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 07:37 AM
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Your entire argument is contradictory First you say "don't listen to what they say, listen to what they do". Then when it's brought up what she did, you just say we can't know what she was thinking. Even though she voiced what she was thinking, and it coincides with her actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 11:05 PM
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Her voicing that she doesn't like ripped guys, and dumping guys who got ripped, are both caused by the same underlying truth: that she didn't like ripped guys She did exactly what she said
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 10:05 PM
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The definitions are completely contrived in the first place, trying to make sensible definitions is a futile endeavor
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 09:14 AM
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This seems to me like a distinction between normal psychology and low-functioning autism
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 10:50 AM
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I think this guy has latent homosexual attraction that he is trying to cover by convincing himself it's "disgusting"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 09:13 AM
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Why do you suppose research on this topic finds that men who are single are less happy than men who are married/partnered?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 08:53 PM
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Human evolution has happened in accordance with being social creatures. If anything emancipation from privation would lead to humans being influenced even less by biological imperatives
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 03:56 PM
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The problem is TRP purports to be a system that is true for everyone, and when it fails to work it's because you didn't do it right or whatever. It's the same kind of circular logic that all bullshit systems of belief push. If God doesn't answer your prayers, it's because you weren't pious enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 11:37 AM
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In terms of TRP though, the guys who come to it were obviously not having any success under their own belief system (the blue pill) so they're usually more keen to make the change. This is a false dichotomy. There are all different kinds of belief systems outside of TRP that people have that influence how they interact with others. The difficult thing is that building emotional intelligence, being self-aware, being honest with oneself about your wants & preferences, what things make another pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 10:08 AM
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And if the entire underlying philosophy on which he is basing the analysis is wrong? As an analogy, if a tarot card reading gives bad information, the problem there isn't that the card reader analyzed the cards improperly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 08:58 AM
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I think he is talking about American women, not third worlders working in sweatshops to feed their kids millet. Except it's all done with the appeal of biotroofs which should be consistent globally
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 08:53 AM
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Nice deflection
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 08:51 AM
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What if all that analysis is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 08:41 AM
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Here's just a few I think are relevant from a few different angles: http://www.academia.edu/7985354/Close_Relationships_and_Happiness http://geronj.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/6/701.short (granted this one is only of women) https://books.google.de/books?hl=en&lr=&id=-wIXAwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA374&dq=close+relationships+and+happiness&ots=ZovUq5kkd0&sig=UstqsCaRQlmUJzsoF0Epg9ogWIk#v=onepage&q=close%20relationships%20and%20happiness&f=false There are many more out there on this topic, it's probably…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 04:49 PM
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And again there is a lot of psychological research showing the importance of having these kind of close relationships with people and the many benefits it has on happiness and mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 04:19 PM
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There is a whole lot of psychological research showing that people who get married have higher levels of happiness over time than those who don't. Of course there is still some fuzziness there -- maybe the people who got married would have been even happier if they were single, and people who never got married never got married because of some sort of problems they have? -- but it's not an entirely open question. But marriage per se isn't really even what I meant. What I'm talking about is deep,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 03:15 PM
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I'm curious how you differentiate between someone who is actually happy and someone who only thinks they're happy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 02:24 PM
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Except the divorce rate today is only about 25% and that number is itself inflated by individuals who get married and divorced multiple times. A large majority of people stay with their partners without ever having heard of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 09:13 PM
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The analogy only works if one assumes men are direct victims of some sort of wrongdoing by women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 07:10 PM
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I'm not following your logic at all and how your example is relevant to the comment you originally replied to
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 07:07 PM
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I was commenting on moral responsibility. Victims are not responsible for being victims of crimes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 06:57 PM
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I think you might be confusing us with Saudi Arabia if you think women get punished by the law for rape, and don't hold the rapist responsible
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 06:38 PM
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Stolen property is reimbursed if it is found
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 06:16 PM
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In that case I would suggest they switch careers to become mind readers because that is an amazing ability
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 06:16 PM
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Trading the possibility of unhappiness for the near guarantee of it doesn't seem like a good choice to me. No wonder it's hard. Rationalizing bad decisions requires a lot of conquering cognitive dissonance
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 05:49 PM
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This is why our judicial system punishes people who get robbed, and not the people doing the robbing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 05:43 PM
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It's funny to see this kind of circular thinking. You laugh off "shit tests", not "serious concerns". And of course what qualifies as a "shit test" is entirely up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 05:42 PM
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I think they will essentially be breaking their own hearts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 05:37 PM
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Forgive me for being skeptical, given how many posts I've seen from people who say how everything is going great only to weeks later post about how their wife/girlfriend is threatening to leave them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 05:36 PM
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maybe TRP works or can work even on secure women by making them insecure where they previously weren't Yes, this is how emotional/psychological abuse usually works.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 05:33 PM
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It is a recipe for men to end up in a series of shallow, unfulfilling relationships where they will never have a real deep connection to their partners. And if they follow this path for their whole lives, they will die unhappy and alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 05:24 PM
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You seem to have missed my point
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 04:46 PM
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That their advice in the end will not only hurt women, but hurt the men they are purportedly trying to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 09:26 AM
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Do you pick up a book, and then assume something terrible about it, and then demand that other people "establish that it's not terrible" - because that's just ridiculous. That's not how stuff works. That only shows that you didn't start with an open mind, and you didn't assume good faith. No, I read it and then decide it's terrible, as I have with TRP. Your whole argument here just isn't as clever as you think it is, it's entirely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 01:19 PM
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my point here is that it's actually different from what you imagine when you read TRP Which is irrelevant given you haven't established that what TRP actually is about is not reprehrensible. Does it really matter if something is legitimately terrible, and people think it's a little more terrible than it actually is? You're not offering an actual defense of anything. So let me get this straight, you noticed a contradiction between something I said, and something someone else said? Seems there's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 12:53 PM
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A sales kiosk in a mall is not really the same as a private situation in which women are pressured to "consent" to angry men. TRP's conception of LMR is basically the DENNIS system. I also noticed this contradiction in your post: "Last-minute resistance" is the idea that someone will seem to consent, then at the last minute, they'll have second thoughts, and perhaps even outright say "no." and then... if she says 'no, stop it' that's a hard no and of course you stop
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 11:51 AM
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Nothing about that was "bio truths" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 04:44 PM
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It's really funny that this is something you are proud of
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 01:30 PM
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And you're not the person who I responded to about legal responsibility for any kids fathered from their random hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 09:43 PM
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If you're fucking raw then that's not a safe assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 09:29 PM
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Refusing to sign the certificate and challenging in court. DNA testing is the last recourse
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 09:24 PM
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Depends how many people she has hooked up with during that time Burden of proof is on the person listed as father on the birth certificate to prove they're not the father
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 09:19 PM
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Yeah I don't think that's likely to happen to you. But the father is definitely on the hook for child support no matter what the nature of your relationship is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 06:04 PM
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Legally it would very much be your problem
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 10:37 AM
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I'm guessing you do not know many non-white young people if you think they're all regressive believers in homophobia, racism and patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 07:50 PM
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Watch an episode of Leave it to Beaver
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:16 AM
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It is now post-feminism, post-segregation and post-homophobia (for the most part). But these folks are all crying for a time when all these problems still existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:14 AM
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I assumed your comment was relevant to the one you responded to which was connecting this particular moral panic to a belief in widespread societal decline. In this context using the concept of rape culture as a counterexample doesn't make any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 11:09 PM
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White American culture? Ding ding ding. Really what all this bellyaching about is the decline of traditional conservative white cultural hegemony
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 11:07 PM
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I have never heard a feminist claim rape culture is evidence of the impending collapse of modern society
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 11:05 PM
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Not being fat is probably the most difficult thing on my list though honestly all of them are things you should be doing for your own sake
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 11:11 PM
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There are plenty of fat dudes who find women, but if you want to increase your chances and desirability then you might want to make some changes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 11:07 PM
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In a basic sense it's not. TRP isn't exactly the first group to discover that being physically attractive and interesting are desirable traits. It's all the other nonsense in TRP that most people take umbrage with
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 11:06 PM
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Work out regularly (cardio and strength are both important) and eat a healthy diet Find ways to be more involved in your community. Personally (though I recently moved to a whole different country and haven't gotten established here yet) I was involved in local politics and volunteered for a food bank. Also great ways of meeting people. I really like doing outdoorsy kind of things with people. Obviously this can be limiting based on the season but hiking trails and stuff like that are fun and ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 09:57 AM
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Be in good physical shape, be an interesting person (if you don't have any hobbies or anything besides work/school you're active in, change that), have ideas for things that are fun to do with another person, don't be afraid to ask people out
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 09:03 AM
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Which is a comment which can only be made if one is totally ignorant as to why people are immigrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 10:23 AM
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It's funny that you talk about how third world countries have watched the supposed decline of western civilization while simultaneously talking about how many people want to "invade" there, without seeing the contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 01:16 PM
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It seems most of your opinions are based on cherry picking anecdotes and experiences, and simply ignoring any counterexamples, so I don't think any further responses from me will be fruitful. I hope you're able to find peace and happiness, but I don't think it's going to come from railing against feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 12:33 PM
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But the NAACP never claimed that they fight for everyone, neither does GLAAD or SPCA, the only movement that claims to be fighting for everyone is feminism I'm not familiar with any major groups that do this. The largest feminist group in America is the National Organization for Women. Their founding statement is: To take action to bring women into full participation in the mainstream of American society now, exercising all privileges and responsibilities thereof in truly equal partnership with …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 11:13 AM
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You read some critique in some feminist litterature, some years ago. I am willing to bet you almost anything that in contrast to this, I an visit any prominent feminist website today and find an article no more than a month old about how bad it is with yellow fever. Feminists focus on issues related to women, this is not surprising to me. I think there should be more focus on male issues, too, which is why /r/MensLib exists. I don't fault feminists for focusing more on issues that are relevant t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 10:57 AM
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This isn't TRP and I wasn't opining on any advice it contains.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:45 PM
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I was for a long time, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:36 PM
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I noticed your comment had almost nothing to do with my previous reply. But no, if anything the biggest problem I had in my upbringing was people trying to force masculinity on me where it didn't fit, and where I didn't want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:14 PM
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I'm not saying he definitely needs mental health treatment, I just think that putting the word therapy in scare quotes and treating it like a bad thing is harmful for men. Again, mental health treatment is stigmatized for men and there are a lot of people with untreated mental health problems for this reason. And therapy isn't just for people with diagnosable disorders. I have done therapy myself in the past and never had any kind of diagnosable problem, but it did help me work through some thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:28 PM
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Of course not, but there's a lot more here than just someone who has been bullied. This is someone who seems to be emotionally damaged, not someone who was able to successfully cope with those problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:23 PM
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Hey dude. I've been a regular on this sub for a while and recently started moderating /r/MensLib so I thought maybe I could respond to some of your concerns, some of which I believe are misplaced. Why is it called "right to express preference" when a female blogger drools openly over the big black man, with the big black dick? But it is called racism when a male blogger blogs about the tiny asian woman? This is called the mandingo fantasy and there are loads of things written about it, especiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:15 PM
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Mental health treatment being stigmatized is an important issue for men and it shouldn't be dismissed like you've done right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 06:49 PM
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This is what enemas are for
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 07:38 PM
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The problem is your comment is phrased as if to speak for all men, which it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 10:41 PM
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I thought exactly like you did two weeks ago top fucking kek
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 10:34 PM
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OP is a man who is saying the exact opposite of what you're saying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 10:34 PM
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This really is hilarious. People are debating whether or not the founder of /r/femalehate hates women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 04:25 AM
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Your comment said it makes 0 sense to commit to any woman, then you changed it to being about "sluts" So yeah you did
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 04:14 AM
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I have an open relationship and don't really care about partner count but it seems you completely changed the subject
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 04:07 AM
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Because I make all my decisions about interpersonal relationships based on statistical analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 12:31 AM
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Do you expect to hear about feminist backlash to this on CNN or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 12:30 AM
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The article actually says cases where it's a stranger are the ones that are more often tested, and much of the backlog is cases where the attacker is a friend or partner. From the article: More recently, however, because testing one rape kit costs between $500 and $1,500, police departments don’t test every rape kit that comes their way. “Some only pursue the ones they have the best chance of solving,” Berkowitz said. “Others only test if the alleged rapist is a stranger.” The rationale in those…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 07:21 PM
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There are more than 400,000 untested rape kits currently sitting in police storage. How you think the system works is nowhere near reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 04:37 PM
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Except hundreds of thousands of rape kits go untested due to lack of funding for crime labs. This is one reason the rate of conviction for rape is so low. Only about 1 in 4 reports leads to an arrest, and of those arrested only 1 in 4 actually gets convicted. As of last year there were more than 400,000 untested rape kits sitting in police storage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 04:36 PM
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I always wondered why the folks who go on and on about how great people have it living on the government dole don't do it themselves. $100 a month in food stamps and a shitty job with erratic hours never seemed like such a great life to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 07:04 PM
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I misread the article -- it was an article about Palmer that mentioned a GoFundMe from that homophobic pizza place that was in the news last year, which raised nearly a million bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 10:09 PM
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Sports aren't inherently toxic, and that's not what Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was arguing (which should be obvious given that he is one of the most famous professional athletes of all time). He even starts the article with a lot of good things about sports. Some of the examples he gives in the article, though, are good examples of toxic masculinity. Coaches calling men "ladies" as an insult is an example of toxic masculinity (punishing men for failing to fulfill gendered expectations -- this is a majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 10:05 PM
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Not sure you can call that "doxxing" -- he got a permit from a government which is a matter of public record and then posted pictures of it himself. And he actually raised a bunch of money due to the backlash. I will give you that the media response was very different though. As an aside I actually support the type of conservation efforts that give out permits like the one Palmer had. I listened to a Radiolab story about this type of conservation and why it's done and it was very enlightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:41 PM
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Why did you give a bunch of examples of something other than toxic masculinity when the discussion was about toxic masculinity? You seem to be conflating the specific concept of toxic masculinity with literally everything any feminist has ever criticized. OP is talking about toxic masculinity in particular, and you responded with a litany of things that aren't examples of toxic masculinity -- but you seem to think they are. I don't think you are familiar with what is meant specifically by the te…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:31 PM
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Or they start a GoFundMe and raise thousands of dollars from other reactionary white people. Can you give an example of someone being doxxed as you describe? The only one I can think of is that violentacrez guy who was doxxed for being a massive troll and encouraging illegal creepshots and pedophilia. And even then he had thousands of dollars given to him. I guess you could say he was doxxed for an unpopular opinion, but I don't think that's really comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:19 PM
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Weird, I didn't see "toxic masculinity" discussed as a concept in any of those. I'm so surprised right now!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:17 PM
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Can you point out anybody describing any of those things as examples of toxic masculinity? You're just railing against things nobody is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:36 PM
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How is it a straw man if I asked you a question? I was asking your opinion. You brought up single parent households as a factor in crime rates, so I wondered if you had an opinion on why. I apologize if my post was somehow worded as if I was implying anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:20 PM
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That's like a straw army you're arguing against there
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:18 PM
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Of course, there are many different factors that lead to increased criminality. Nobody is arguing otherwise. Kids from single parent households commit significantly more crime (note: boys who grow up in single father households also commit way more crimes, not just single motherhouseholds -- it's just that single mothers are far more common). Kids who were abused commit more crime. Kids with low socioeconomic status commit more crime. There are many other factors that lead into this. But even af…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:32 PM
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I find it funny how much you're proving OP's point: when we see feminists point out that there are some negative aspects of masculinity, it is seen as a direct attack on men You're so busy defending your fragile ego that you still haven't even grasped the basic point in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 07:23 PM
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OP: "feminism criticizes femininity more than masculinity" Your response: "It criticizes patriarchy which isn't real anyway" Patriarchy isn't the same as masculinity so your response is basically arguing against something other than what OP stated. Also my "all or nothing" comment was about culture in general. Gender norms are one aspect of culture, obviously there are other cultural factors that influence crime rates too. But southern men in particular commit a lot more violent crime. Why is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 05:11 PM
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It doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition. You didn't actually counter anything in the OP and your objection is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:51 PM
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I didn't mean to imply literally all work was barred for women, bad wording on my part. But even outside of prestige positions, women's labor was restricted by law. Many states and localities had laws limiting how many hours a women can work, or what times of day they can work. Waitresses for example were widely barred from working nights, which of course is when the work is most lucrative. And working women weren't entitled to keep their own wages for a significant portion of history - - it wen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:25 PM
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I take it you are a criminal law expert and are familiar with all the ways culture influences crime rates. I guess crime is 100% explained by family history - - which of course is totally disconnected from wider culture as well. Say, why do you think men in the South commit so much more violent crime than the rest of the country? Are Southern men just abused a lot more?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:19 PM
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Funny you use that example as most state bars at the time did not admit women and neither did most law schools. The first woman was not admitted to a state bar until 1869. In 1872 the Supreme Court upheld state regulations which prohibited women from being admitted. Where'd you read Elizabeth Cady Stanton was a lawyer? I can't find anything suggesting she even went to a law school.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:13 PM
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Your comment implies patriarchy is a myth - - though I apologize if I misunderstood your meaning under all the snark and sarcasm. I should ask how your comment is relevant to the OP, though, hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:58 PM
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Obviously there are more authors criticizing the traditional family because being unhappy with that lifestyle is the big spark behind the early feminist movement. For example Betty Friedan is quoted in that article - - the whole reason she wrote The Feminine Mystique was from discovering how many women she went to college with were unhappy with their lives as housewives. And for some of those older quotes, women having careers and owning property was literally illegal when some of those things w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:54 PM
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Men are significantly more likely to engage in all different forms of violent crime regardless of abuse. I don't think anybody was arguing women don't commit any crimes, just the vast majority are by men and that culture can explain part of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:50 PM
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Do you mean articles telling women they should all be housewives, or simply articles respecting women's choices to build families as they want? I don't want to bother getting quotes if I don't know where your goalposts are beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:25 PM
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Being athletic doesn't make one a criminal. You ignored their point entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:23 PM
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When did western society cease to be patriarchal? I think we can agree that it at least used to be in recent history. Wasn't too long ago that spousal rape was not a crime, not long before that women couldn't vote, and not long before that they couldn't even own property. Men did control everything. Obviously legally this has changed but ingrained cultural mores don't change instantly with the law (as an analogy, racism didn't end when the Civil Rights Act was passed). When do you think patriarc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:21 PM
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Gender roles are imposed on men too. Fag, queer, sissy, bitch, pussy - - these are all insults used against men who don't fulfill their gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:19 PM
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That's a bunch of cherry picking, I could write an article with feminist authors making the opposite argument. Some of those quotes also seem to be out of context where they seem to be describing other people's ideology. "Feminism" is not a singular ideology and these discussions are never fruitful when we've got both sides essentially making "no true Scotsman" arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:16 PM
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Your examples are cases where women are not bound by femininity, not cases where they change what femininity is. One of the big points of feminism is allowing women to break free of traditional gender roles. They aren't changing what those traditions are, but creating space for people to live outside of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:13 PM
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I don't assume that, either. But you know that saying about how if you encounter one asshole in your day, they were probably an asshole, but if everyone you encounter is an asshole, then maybe you're actually the asshole? Maybe if a guy is constantly running into "false rape accusations" and getting messages from women about how uncomfortable and pressured they felt about having sex with him, he just might be a rapist. I'm willing to concede there's a chance that her story is made up and she was…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 07:18 PM
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LOL here's another comment from OP discussing it: I can tell you that she was acting as though she was uncomfortable when she did not seem uncomfortable at the time at all What? She was acting uncomfortable, but didn't seem uncomfortable? That doesn't even make sense. Do you not think there is any possibility that OP just convinced himself of what he wanted to believe? I think I'm making a pretty reasonable conclusion here that this woman knew what her actual feelings were more than OP's mind re…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 06:58 PM
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The only thing I misremembered was she didn't mention not wanting to see him again. Here's what I said: No, but I do remember the TRP user who got a text message from a girl telling him how pressured and uncomfortable she felt, saying she didn't want to see him again and suggesting he not treat other women like that. Of course (red pillers were high fiving him), and blaming her for being a slut and pretending she accused him of rape though she didn't use that term (guilty conscience?). Obviously…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 06:54 PM
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It's funny that you didn't believe the existence of the thread in the first place, and when shown proof you just say "well obviously it's a lie"!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 06:43 PM
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I'm taking both of them at face value. If OP had texts to prove she was "begging" for it he would have posted them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 04:39 PM
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Or she finally "offered" after being pressured
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 03:07 PM
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I don't think he's lying, I think he actually believes what he's saying. People with insane beliefs actually believe insane things. I don't think she's lying either. Your explanation makes no sense as she's not gaining any sort of power or control by sending this message. You also haven't been paying much attention if you think people aren't calling bullshit on the whole sub. Also, I'm not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 04:43 AM
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Says OP. She didn't accuse him of anything besides pressuring her. What's the point of lying about this? Why send him a private text message saying this? That's not typically how false rape allegations go. The only basis you have for saying it's false is OP insisting she totally wanted it, which is exactly the response you'd expect from a guy who's taught that resistance means she wants it more. It figures you can't even fathom she might be telling the truth. There's nothing suggesting she's "cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 11:19 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3m0d16/we_are_just_about_hitting_peak_rape_accusation/ Here's the text I mentioned. Response from one of your Endorsed Contributors: Women are such fucking irresponsible whores. +15 Let me know if you can find a single comment indicating maybe even possibly 0.00001% chance that OP might have done something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:45 PM
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Of course, and blaming her for being a slut and pretending she accused him of rape though she didn't use that term (guilty conscience?). Obviously it was just her hamstering and OP did nothing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:40 PM
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No, but I do remember the TRP user who got a text message from a girl telling him how pressured and uncomfortable she felt, saying she didn't want to see him again and suggesting he not treat other women like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:03 PM
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It's also funny how much the "we don't hate women, we love them!" rhetoric matches the rhetoric you hear from groups like Westboro Baptist Church. We don't hate gay people, we want to save them!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 06:40 PM
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Getting what you want from someone isn't the same as a healthy relationship with them. And I guess the multiple threads of people worried about being accused of rape after "overcoming LMR" is a weird coincidence
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 05:48 PM
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I was more referring to things like "overcoming last minute resistance" (aka rape) and "dread game" (aka emotional abuse). It's also funny you justify your admittedly immoral teachings by pointing at women. They're to blame for everything. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 05:25 PM
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It shows the "amoral" cover is just a lazy avoidance of the deep immorality of what's encouraged there. There's a very obvious moral component to it, which is why these topics come up regularly, but you can all claim it's amoral whenever called out on it. It's a nice way to square the circle of cognitive dissonance. And saying not backed by science and bad science are basically the same thing. It's like saying creationism isn't backed by science, because science shows their beliefs are wrong, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 02:02 PM
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By this metric the Westboro Baptist Church must be super true based on how pissed people get at them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 01:21 AM
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Ah, that must be why TRP is so void of people making moral judgments, bitching about social policy, and using bad science to justify their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 06:13 PM
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How exactly does one make grand pronouncements about the state of nature without using science?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 06:10 PM
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Sorry but ARPALT. It's science
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 04:40 PM
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I'm telling you it originates and is used outside of that community, so it's unfair to assume someone is a tumblrina for using that term. By your definition rappers like T. I. are now tumblrinas
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 10:43 PM
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Because the sanctions are civil
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 10:42 PM
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I'm not defending its use as a good slang term, just saying there's nothing inherently tumblr or feminist about it. That's the way it's most often spelled so that's why I put it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 08:44 PM
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It came out of hip hop, not tumblr http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fucc+Boi
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:53 PM
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Generally think it's a good idea. I don't think universities should be involved in criminal matters, and should rely on the criminal justice system. If the criminal justice system is flawed then that is where the fix needs to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:32 PM
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University tribunals are more like civil courts. Read up on preponderance of evidence vs beyond reasonable doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:31 PM
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They use the preponderance of evidence standard, which is the same standard that's used in literally all non-criminal matters. This is why OJ got off his murder charge but still had to pay millions to the victim's family.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:30 PM
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The term fuccboi is pretty widely used outside of tumblr...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:27 PM
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He's posting in this very thread
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:26 PM
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That's not even an accurate description of the college tribunals. Preponderance of evidence is not the same as revocation of the presumption of innocence. You're delusional if you think that's actually going to happen
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 07:04 PM
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As far as I know California is the only state with this law, and it only applies to campus tribunals, not courts of law. While I think campus tribunals are not the appropriate places to deal with rape claims, and there are a few stories of what likely are wrongful expulsions, it's a far cry from claiming that assumption of innocence in rape cases has been revoked in actual criminal cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 02:31 PM
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As I understand it the University tribunals go by a preponderance of evidence standard - - not revocation of assumption of innocence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 12:27 AM
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The law she's talking about doesn't amount to removing the assumption of innocence in a court of law. As it notes this has been on the books in Canada since 1992. Is there an epidemic of Canadians being imprisoned by false rape claims? I think you're misconstruing the intent and effect of the law being referenced in that article.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 12:21 AM
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I was a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in 2012 and ratified the national platform. I do not recall that being part of it. Do you have a link?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 12:14 AM
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Can you link a major feminist organization advocating this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 11:10 PM
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My point was if you're going to rule people out entirely based on single attributes like this, you're unlikely to find anybody, because nobody is likely to meet 100% of your preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 08:23 PM
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From what I've gathered reading TRP, "bad" and "fucking horrible" is pretty much 100% of women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 08:00 PM
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I think you missed my point
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:24 PM
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It also reduces the pool of "good women" to choose from. You're not increasing your chances if you're reducing what you count as "qualified" too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 05:36 PM
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I don't think indifference is worse than active hatred. People who get violent because of this are far from the norm. Even with the significant increase in these lone shooter events, it's still only a handful of people a year out of millions People who are actively bullied get depressed and commit suicide, far more common than insane killers
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 08:10 PM
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Again you are confusing empathy with sympathy, which is why you misread the original comment
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:09 AM
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When you understand and feel another’s feelings for yourself If someone understands and feels Elliot Rodger's feelings for themselves, they need therapy. You read the comment incorrectly, you don't gotta get into a big semantic debate about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 12:57 AM
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That's actually the meaning of empathize -- being able to "totally understand" and personally feel somebody else's feelings or thought process. I think you're reading "empathize" as "sympathize" which isn't the same thing. If someone can truly empathize with that kind of thought -- or "totally understand", as you stated -- it's worrying. Empathy vs sympathy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 12:50 AM
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It seems pretty clear to me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 12:44 AM
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Well you're not insane so of course you can't totally understand That's what /u/Hellkyte is getting at. If someone can "totally understand" that might indicate something is off with them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 12:39 AM
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You know you can still have a conversation regardless of the vote count. Also I see your comments at 0 and -1, hardly "heavily downvoted". Seems you've got a victim complex too LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 12:37 AM
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Your question assumes that he was a fundamentally different kind of person. Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 12:35 AM
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I would guess there are often signs that someone is shallow, petty and vindictive before they file a false rape complaint
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 03:18 PM
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I think someone willing to falsely accuse someone of rape meets most people's colloquial definition of "crazy". I know if I heard that about somebody my first thought would be "wow what a crazy bitch". But as you just showed the vast majority don't have any identifiable issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 02:54 PM
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Again, the point I'm making is there's a difference between the colloquial usage of "crazy" and a "mental health problem identified by a medical assessor"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 02:04 PM
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People have been railing against "feminazis" for decades now. Is it really universally seen as good? In my experience people generally see feminism as bra burning radicals these days
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 01:47 PM
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No, I think she's a dumbass
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 01:45 PM
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The term "crazy" here isn't being used in the clinically diagnosed sense
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 01:41 PM
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I think it's important to point out that the vast majority of rapes aren't random stranger attacks like described in the OP. Carrying pepper spray and staying in well-lit areas doesn't make a difference in most rape cases because that's not how most rapes happen. Most rapes are committed by friends, romantic partners and friends or acquaintances. So when people talk about the sorts of things like OP does as "obvious" protective measures, they're actually next to useless in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 01:39 PM
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In some occupations, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 12:49 PM
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Whenever you have a non-random sample you almost always get some sort of bias. I would hazard a guess that people who come to a debate sub are more open minded and less dogmatic than others, so in general we're going to get less radicalized posters here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 12:47 PM
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Don't fall to false moderation. Some people are ridiculous and aren't anywhere close to "sane"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 01:49 AM
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There's going to be a sample selection bias here because only a certain type of person comes on to debate their beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 01:47 AM
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Impressive mind reading
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 01:57 PM
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I didn't post anything about a wage gap
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 01:57 PM
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As a concept, yeah they would say it's bad. When you actually get to specifics, in my experience a lot of men (and a lot of women) are willing to forgive rape based on a multitude of factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 11:28 PM
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This was an issue until the 1970s and which has coattails hanging through to today. Which is why victim blaming is so common.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 11:27 PM
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Source? And what's "until recently". Until about the 70s when feminist groups started taking this up as an issue. Here's an excerpt I found from the book, it's all very well-sourced if you actually want to track it down. By the 1800s, feminist reformers were campaigning to change laws, minds and culture not only regarding sexual violence but also race – in American culture, rape was considered a crime committed against a chaste white woman, particularly by a black male stranger. Around that same…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 11:13 PM
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We have TRP telling people how to push through "last minute resistance" -- I see this as rape strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 11:01 PM
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By the way, the guy in the video chanting about rape has been accused of rape, although charges were dropped because of insufficient evidence (rapes typically have little or no evidence aside from one's word, due to the nature of the act). Probably a coincidence though, I'm sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 10:48 PM
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What are you talking about? Martial rape? Marital rape, rape of ethnic minorities, and non-penetrative rape mostly. On top of this, until recently rapes generally went unprosecuted or the aggressors were acquitted on the reasoning that the woman wanted it for the most dubious of reasons (there are even cases where men were acquitted of rape because the woman agreed to walk down the street with him -- proof positive she wanted it all along). Often a successful defense could be made based simply o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 10:46 PM
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Sexual harassment claims were litigated in court, and there was an affidavit in that case alleging rape. Your claim was that the mere accusation of rape is enough to ruin somebody, now you want to talk about the media and standards of evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:59 PM
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However, if it came out he RAPED someone, him and anyone associated with him would immediately because the focus of national hatred and his campaign would tank. Bill Clinton was accused of rape and sexual harassment by multiple women and was elected twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:42 PM
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There wasn't a law on the book, that's my point. Feminists had to fight to get a law passed against marital rape. It wasn't until 1993 that all 50 states had it outlawed. In many cases, activists were unsuccessful in getting the law changed through the legislative process and had to rely on courts to strike down exemptions. This isn't archaic stuff. And the idea that married women can't be raped is an idea I've seen espoused on TRP multiple times -- by moderators and endorsed contributors. I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:38 PM
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The substance of the argument you responded to was: "feminism works against a culture which normalizes rape against women and doesn't address it in a serious enough fashion" To which you responded with an irrelevant point about how that term started with a documentary in the 70s. It didn't whatsoever address the actual point being made. There's no way to respond to the substance of your point, because there wasn't any there. Your point was entirely irrelevant. I didn't say you're not "allowed" t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:26 PM
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One can't respond to substance when there's no substance to respond to. My whole point is your comments were pointless and didn't address anything. Of course I'm not going to argue against the substance of your points - - because there isn't any.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:58 PM
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The term has broadened beyond its original coining, as I'm sure you know. Instead of responding to the substance of the argument you wanted to nitpick semantics (in a way that wasn't even relevant, nonetheless).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:20 PM
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That fact wasn't supporting anything, that's my point. It was entirely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 04:55 PM
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Your citing the origin of the term was completely irrelevant to the point being made.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 03:55 PM
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It's about equality for women, so that's what they focus on. I wish there were a similar movement for men, but unfortunately the main focus of men's rights activism seems to be just bitching about feminism. I tried to get involved in it before, but nobody cared when I tried to talk about the lack of focus on rape against men, how traditional masculinity shames men who don't fit into masculine gender roles, etc. Everybody just wanted to talk about how unfair their alimony payments are. I've been …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:45 PM
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There are entire groups of people who are celibate by choice and I'm pretty sure they don't die as a result. Are you aware of people who abstain from breathing and don't die in short order?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:39 PM
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I think it's sad you rank men into percentiles based solely on their sexual activity. That's incredibly shaming and a great example of toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:35 PM
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Marital rape wasn't even made illegal until a few decades ago. If you don't believe there's any remnants of rape culture, when do you think it ended? We still have frat bros who go around chanting about raping bitches, and most rapes go unresolved.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:35 PM
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Both of your comments were not supported by any particular evidence you brought forth
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:33 PM
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Anybody who advocates for things that don't benefit me is bad!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:28 PM
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I've heard way more people talk about "manspreading" in critiquing feminists than I've actually heard feminists complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:26 PM
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Because that's tangential to their focus. Do you expect groups like the NAACP to focus on transgender rights? They're two separate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 02:26 PM
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Yes, I thought it was pretty straightforward from the OP they were asking about whether specific judgments are fair or not. Not whether people should be allowed to have them. That's why specific examples were brought up of common judgments that are made, which OP seems to think are unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 01:27 AM
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Right. The question wasn't "Should all opinions be considered equally?" or "Does everybody have a right to an opinion?" Your answer is at least somewhat decent if one of those were the question, but they weren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 01:15 AM
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I was -- I see little in your replies about why you think so, but instead a lot about why this opinion is just as valid as people who think "yes". You seem more interested in defending your right to an opinion (which nobody was challenging in the first place) than actually supporting your opinion. I notice this pattern a lot with you and others on this sub, and I'm starting to think your constant deflection from defending your opinions is because you actually recognize how shitty they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 01:05 AM
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I know your opinion is "no" based on your post history, but you tap-danced around that to make some tangential point and avoid defending your actual opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 12:59 AM
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I interpreted OP as asking people to give their opinions on whether or not such judgments are fair or not. You didn't share your opinion, you gave some treatise on the nature of judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 12:52 AM
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Out of all your posts I'm still not seeing anything close to resembling an answer to OP's question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 12:37 AM
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Because they're backed with good reasoning, aren't hypocritical, don't result in damaging others, I'm sure I could think of more reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 10:47 PM
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This answer seems to presume all judgments are equal. Is that what you're arguing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 10:29 PM
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So I'm not sure what was confusing about the question to you. Do you think these judgments are fair or not? That people have a right to have opinions is unrelated to whether those opinions are shitty or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 10:23 PM
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And people are within their rights to judge your opinions as being unfair and ignorant
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 09:58 PM
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Keep railing against straw men bro
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 01:26 AM
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How is it you're able to read the minds of so many anonymous people on the internet? Truly an impressive skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 01:16 AM
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It appears a significant portion of the user base does not fit in the box you're trying to place them in, based on the thread and comments I linked. You're linking to some lady on Twitter and saying "this is what TBP believes" while I linked to an actual thread on TBP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 01:11 AM
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Ultimately, TBP is a pretty small place though. Its readership is a rounding error compared to the size of massive feminist publications like Jezebel . . . You can't separate the two OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 01:07 AM
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This thread wasn't about Jezebel
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 12:56 AM
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This thread shows a great compilation of truly horrible things said on TRP by their moderators and endorsed contributors (scroll down to the highlight reel posts) https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/2nj2ed/my_compilation_of_posts_on_why_trp_is_sexist_and/ I think it really is that bad, even though every user may not be that extreme. The deeper you go the worse it gets. The moderators and endorsed contributors show what the real end point is in this delusional thinking when people go do…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:35 PM
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I read it and I'm not getting man hatred anywhere in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:33 PM
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This thread shows there's a significant portion of the community on TBP who thinks virgin shaming is wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/36il1o/apparently_we_all_condone_shaming_people_for/?ref=search_posts So while you'll see virgin shaming posts from time to time, I don't think it's accurate to portray everyone that way. On the other hand, it is part of TRP dogma that part of a man's worth is measured by his sexual prowess, and this is part and parcel of being "alpha".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:20 PM
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I've had many people message me over the years about how I've changed their minds on many different things. I guess I'm just not as cynical and pessimistic as you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 03:59 PM
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OK, let me rephrase the question then: you think sexists, racists, etc never change their mind? Also it's pretty fucking dumb to come to a sub that has "debate" in the name and then chastise people for arguing. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 02:40 PM
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This is hardly a problem relegated to liberals
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 06:15 PM
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Are you of the opinion nobody ever changes their mind about anything? That seems pretty unreasonable. Why the fuck are you on a debate sub then? To jerk yourself off?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 04:45 PM
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People generally debate in order to change people's minds
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 03:08 PM
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I've seen plenty of TRPers defend ridiculous ideas on this subreddit, including the idea that marital rape is impossible because apparently by marrying the woman agrees to be give up her body forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 01:56 PM
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There's plenty of ways to argue that these opinions are reasonable and justified. As an example, women not voting was the law of the land for the vast majority of history. There are plenty of ways people can justify it. If people are upvoting these absurd claims you'd think they would be willing to defend them. All you need to argue is "these views aren't extreme, they're correct." Obviously many people on TRP believe they are in fact correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 01:03 PM
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I assumed CMV posts used the same rules from /r/ChangeMyView, where posts like this which don't actually refute OP's points are removed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:50 AM
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Then they shouldn't be replying to this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 12:26 PM
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By your logic here any kind of definition is a "semantic tautology".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 08:48 PM
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Hence OP's post here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 08:38 PM
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Making fun of things posted on TRP doesn't mean men's problems are dismissed. It means this particular solution being offered is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 07:32 PM
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Sure, but I don't see any of the latter in this thread so I'm not sure what your concern is here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:52 PM
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You're missing my point - - emotions and logic don't have to be siloed away from another. One can make logical arguments that also are based on human emotions (like empathy or suffering, for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:38 PM
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So again, the response doesn't answer the question in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:25 PM
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I don't know how you interpret "can you justify this?" to mean "can you explain why this is the case?". OP is asking if people can justify the extreme statements that are popular in TRP, not asking people to explain why they exist. OP knows why TRPers are so extreme, what he's asking is if anybody can justify this extremeness. justify [juhs-tuh-fahy] verb (used with object), justified, justifying. to show (an act, claim, statement, etc.) to be just or right: The end does not always justify the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 04:41 PM
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I didn't see "why are people so extreme" as a question in there. Are you sure you read it yourself? Though this thread does answer one of OP's questions - - people are not willing to debate these absurdities and TRPers will only keep circlejerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 04:32 PM
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I don't see any question marks in OP's title nor an indication in the post that he's looking for reasons why they're so extreme. I also think you're misrepresenting Archwinger's response, which essentially amounted to "stop caring". There was no comparison to any other ideology that I can see. Even if he was making the argument you're describing here, the idea that TRP is similarly extreme to most other groups I think is highly inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 03:45 PM
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OP wasn't asking a question, he was making an assertion. Responses to CMV threads are supposed to discredit OP's argument to change his view, not change the topic entirely and question OP's motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 03:16 PM
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Except you can have clearly articulated reasons why you find something offensive and hateful. The discussion doesn't stop at "I feel this way". You can't make an argument along the lines of "teaching people this strategy is harmful" without appealing in some way to a moral argument. For example I might argue that lying and manipulating people is morally wrong and harms people, even if it might be an effective strategy for getting your dick wet. The idea that morality has no place when we're talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 03:11 PM
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I answered your question, how about answering mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:00 PM
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On matters of fact, sure. Not every argument is on a matter of fact. For example, this very thread we're on. Why don't you think people shouldn't make moral or ethical arguments?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:53 PM
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Nobody is debating that in this thread. There are some topics where emotion can be part of a logical argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:49 PM
-1

If someone is not at all swayed by emotion then they are a sociopath. That's like the key factor which makes someone sociopathic. Your claim that emotion has no place in debate is contrived and I think serves only to ignore how awful many TRP teachings are. You want to stack the deck. There's no reason we shouldn't debate the morality and ethics of TRP teachings. The claim of amorality is a lazy way to ignore the immorality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:37 PM
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What's not logical about it? Sociopaths don't feel empathy, moral arguments often rely on empathy, TRP teaches sociopathic tendencies, therefore moral arguments are unlikely to be effective for TRP dogmatists. Conclusion drawn directly from premises which can be defended with evidence. Are you sure you actually know how logic works, or do you just accuse people of being irrational as soon as you disagree with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:29 PM
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Because I think it's actively harmful for a lot of its users as well as the people they'll interact with. I have empathy for these people. Why are you (and just about every other TRP dogmatist on this thread) so keen to change the topic? Why are you here on this thread if you're not going to debate the topic at hand?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:24 PM
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It's only a weak debating strategy against sociopaths who don't feel things like empathy for others. So I agree it's probably ineffective for most TRP dogmatists. You should also read a lot more philosophy if you think moral arguments are based purely in emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:11 PM
2

It's just how men talk, OK? Stop trying to censor me! You must be an SJW
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:56 PM
0

Emotion isn't irrelevant to moral arguments. Emotions like empathy are cornerstones of most moral philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:54 PM
9

I notice you didn't address or refute any of OP's points
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:51 PM
3

Perhaps you should feel compassion for the large numbers of TRP users highlighted in OP's post who are losing touch with reality and turning into deeply bigoted morons.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:49 PM
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Why are you on PurplePillDebate if you're just going to respond with "why do you care?"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 03:03 AM
1

I noticed you didn't address or refute any of OP's points.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 03:01 AM
3

This breaks my heart
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 08:45 PM
5

Your husband is factually wrong, vaccines are very safe and very important to have, both for the health and safety of your children as well as the rest of society. Some people can't receive vaccines because of compromised immune systems or very specific allergies, and it is important that the rest of us be vaccinated to protect them from preventable diseases. The small risk that vaccines pose is nowhere near the risk posed by actually contracting these diseases.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 07:15 PM
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I'm not going to judge your relationship, and I hope you're happy, but I'd say it's reasonable to draw the line on decisions that impact your health. I hope your children, if you have them or if you have them in the future, are vaccinated and you don't follow your husband's ignorance. Because in this case it's actively harmful to yourself and others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 06:34 PM
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I'm sorry that you're married to an idiot who controls your health decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 06:28 PM
1

If you're that worried about it you should get the vaccine
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 06:22 PM
0

I don't think cancer is contagious bro
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 05:17 PM
3

That's not what toxic masculinity is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 05:11 PM
0

Your entire criticism seems to be "typical dating advice is not good for autistic people with crippling social anxiety". This is different from whether it's good advice in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 01:31 PM
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And the application of these "laws" is where it's perfectly reasonable to make moral arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 02:15 AM
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You're missing my point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 02:00 AM
0

What do you think things like nuclear fission technology are based on?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 01:56 AM
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When you're talking about how to apply the laws of physics to society (say, with new technology), yes absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 10:27 PM
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Why? In my experience the only people who want to ignore the moral arguments are people trying to hide from admitting they are horrible people engaging in abusive and manipulative behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 09:30 PM
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I don't believe in absolute and objective morality but that doesn't mean moral arguments are unpersuasive or should be ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 08:38 PM
1

Feminine Mystique isn't particularly radical I don't think - - I'd say it's a pretty good representation of mainstream feminism, actually - - though some de Beauvoir is so
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 11:59 PM
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Only when people act like things such as the SCUM Manifesto represented widely held views instead of being notable for how extreme it was (to the point most people thought it was satire).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 05:37 PM
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Right now it's full of worthwhile stuff, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 05:38 AM
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From what I've seen the so called men's rights movement is much more focused on attacking feminism rather than advancing the rights and equal treatment of men. The main thing I see MRA's fighting for is lesser alimony. I have enjoyed /r/MensLib because it doesn't seem to fall under that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 11:59 PM
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Feminism is fighting for the rights of women. It doesn't mean they don't believe in equality, but usually advocacy with a narrower focus is more successful. Women didn't get the right to vote by fighting against Jim Crow, blacks didn't win equally rights by standing up for LGBT people, etc. Feminism implies a narrower focus on achieving equality for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 09:18 PM
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Yes everyone ask the under-grad media student about their opinions on evolutionary psychology and genetics /s Idiots, everyone knows you're supposed to go to anonymous internet forums full of bitter teenagers who can't get laid for that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 09:14 PM
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It only matters if you care about not being a shitty person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 06:58 PM
1

Dude in the dictionary it's labeled with the denotation "derogatory". If they meant the exact same thing we wouldn't need two distinct words. In some definitions it literally says "immoral". Effective communication isn't just about what you think, but knowing what generally accepted meanings are and how they're likely to be interpreted.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 04:36 PM
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That's simply not true, inherent moral judgments are what separate words like "slut" from words like "promiscuous". Intending to engender a particular emotional response is the purpose of insulting language.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 04:19 PM
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If that were true then language would have no meaning. So if you use a word which carries a value judgment, but you don't actually believe in that value judgment, then you've made a poor word choice to convey your thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 04:09 PM
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Well I guess it doesn't matter whatsoever which words you use then! That's just a lazy excuse for shirking your responsibility to not be a shitty person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 03:38 PM
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I'm sure you only get offended at things when it's justified, but other people getting offended at things which don't personally offend you are just wrong. Calling someone out for using shitty language with inherent moral judgments doesn't mean I've been offended to my core.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 03:19 PM
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It's other people's fault that you choose offensive speech, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 02:47 PM
1

All written communication is "just words" -- that's why it's important which ones you choose
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 01:47 AM
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Using the term slut is a generalized insult, not simply a personal view towards promiscuity or high partner counts. You chose to use an insulting term when there are other ways of getting across the same idea. It's like saying "I have no problem with faggots".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 07:35 PM
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Slut shaming isn't cool. It's fine if that behavior doesn't align with your beliefs, but using insults is not OK
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 03:27 PM
3

ITT: TRP circlejerking
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 12:28 PM
4

You seem to be inventing increasingly fantastic stories to justify your preconceptions
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 12:33 AM
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Because he wants to
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 06:23 PM
1

I also consider things such as shaming less masculine men to be toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:23 PM
1

Nice meme
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 11:14 PM
1

Nice way to justify criminal assault and battery
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 09:08 PM
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Someone having sex doesn't justify assault. It's criminal precisely because that's an unjustified use of violence. That you all think this is normal is pretty crazy to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:37 PM
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Attacking people with golf clubs isn't a rational response.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 04:38 AM
2

How often do you have irrational angry and violent outbursts?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 04:17 AM
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I feel like there's more to this story given the crazy ass assaults you admitted to
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 02:44 AM
1

No but if their value comes from reproduction then someone less likely to conceive is necessarily less valuable
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 03:33 PM
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About 1 in 10 women have difficulty getting pregnant, I bet in past societies with poor nutrition and medicine it was even more common
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 02:06 AM
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Or by word getting around within a community. She has slept with so and so, just like she slept with so and so and did not get pregnant. Either way we're both just making up bullshit narratives about evolution
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 02:01 AM
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That wasn't the argument being made
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 01:51 AM
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The same way a caveman would know if a woman's had multiple partners
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 01:51 AM
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So the same primitively developed emotional center which values women less for having multiple partners wouldn't value a woman less for being infertile, even though her value comes from her ability to reproduce?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 09:16 PM
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What about women who can't reproduce?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 09:06 PM
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Identifying when someone is harmful to your well-being is a huge part of self improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 05:58 PM
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In which case I reiterate my previous sentiment: I'm glad you were able to use this conversation to shoehorn in your irrelevant opinions. I do find it odd you would choose this particular issue as a launching pad, given that it's an issue where feminists are doing the exact opposite of what you're accusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:19 PM
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No, your very first reply was about women serving in combat and training standards. Does your phone autocorrect "require women to meet the same standards as men" into "allow women into combat roles" /u/nicethingyoucanthave 1 day ago You then turned the topic into other areas rather than about women in combat and training standards, which feminists are fighting to keep the same for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:01 PM
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I'm glad you were able to use this conversation to shoehorn in your irrelevant opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 10:51 PM
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None of those links were about women serving in combat, you've just completely moved the topic of this comment thread
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 10:01 PM
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The group I linked above, and indeed the specific section I quoted, was advocating for exactly that. Personally I don't believe in selective service for anybody -- it is a form of slavery, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 05:49 PM
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Please provide some examples. I just linked you the single biggest group lobbying on this issue, so far you've just got empty claims. It seems you just want to rail against feminism in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 04:39 PM
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That is what people are fighting for. Recently a bunch of women went through ranger school, and a few of them made it to the last round before failing to meet standards. There is only a tiny minority who actually want to change the standards. Here is the largest group advocating on this issue, the Service Women's Action Network: SWAN advocates for one single physical fitness standard for both men and women, and for occupational standards that are task-oriented and gender-neutral. Additionally, S…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 03:21 PM
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Feminists actually are fighting to allow women into combat roles. Have you not been reading the news lately?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/15 01:50 PM
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Perceived self interest is also widely variable. Plus a lot of people do have empathy and altruism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/15 12:36 AM
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Some people get uncomfortable when faced with complexity, uncertainty and ambiguity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 09:14 PM
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I think most gender stereotypes are generally true, but there's so much individual variance they aren't very useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 09:12 PM
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Except TRP has no transparent peer review process so your analogy doesn't make any sense. Can someone not make a well supported argument without relying on TRP? You seem to have moved the goalposts here. Peer reviewed journals don't require authors to demonstrate adherence to existing models, just support for your claims. Believe it or not, there are creationists who get published in genetics journals. One does not have to profess belief in or even understanding of evolution to get published.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 08:51 PM
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I'd say it's more like a religion sub that bans people for posting scientific evidence that disproves religious beliefs, with the claim that the poster just doesn't have sufficient knowledge of the religion. It's hilarious you don't see the contradiction in saying that you can "disagree with anything" but then qualify by saying only when it's "consistent with RP". Good rationalization of the echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 07:55 PM
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Individual people do things all different kinds of ways. The billions of people belonging to each gender don't collude to all act the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 06:13 PM
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So you can only disagree on some things?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 05:54 PM
2

This doesn't challenge OP's central assertion
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 07:28 PM
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The article opens with the statement that men don't understand women, and then has a man give a verbose explication of what it's like to be a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 10:08 PM
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So basically no matter what the answer is, you will still say it fits into the TRP dogma
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 08:55 PM
2

Is there any positive trait that you wouldn't categorize as either "red pill alpha" or "red pill beta"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 08:46 PM
2

What part of doing housework and being pleasant and nice is "red pill alpha"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 04:41 PM
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Talk to enough of them and you will notice direct contradictions are frequent
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 04:08 AM
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This whole categorization of people into these ridiculous categories of alphas, betas, omegas (and apparently more shit like "dreg omegas"), fuckers of women vs leaders of men and what the fuck ever is just absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 02:24 AM
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Aren't women the ones who actually determine "SMV" then? Perhaps SMV is like an exponential function?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 08:45 PM
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But you said No, being gay wouldn't make you good at it If it works closer to way women do, wouldn't I be good at it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 08:36 PM
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Why would I be able to accurately assess female SMV if I'm not attracted to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 08:21 PM
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I'm a gay dude so you'd think I would be pretty good about it. But, weirdly, I've never seen floating SMV numbers above anybody's head :(
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 08:13 PM
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You learned these things naturally, figured out how it worked, and went on your merry way. It sure sounds like the "things" you're talking about are TRP strategies, not something entirely different. Hence the use of "these things".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 08:10 PM
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I'm just trying to figure out what my exact SMV number is and how to determine other people's SMV numbers, to make sure I don't ever trick myself into thinking I'm compatible with somebody with a lower SMV number
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 08:03 PM
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That is a valid point. You assume other people's "natural" strategy is the same strategy as TRP, which is inaccurate. You tried to fit somebody else's experience into your own concocted narrative. It's disingenuous. This is why TRP is often called dogmatic, because you will try to warp literally everything to try to fit into the dogma.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 08:01 PM
1

So a number just pops into your head then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:57 PM
-1

That didn't answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:53 PM
-1

How exactly do you calculate such specific SMV values? Do you have a formula?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:49 PM
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The thing you're missing here is that the "natural strategy" other people use successfully is completely different from what TRP teaches
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:48 PM
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No, because that's not a real thing. The Frankfurt school has a synthesized critical theory drawing on many different philosophical beliefs. To call them Marxist is just inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 12:46 PM
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there doesn't seem to be anything here
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 10:16 PM
-1

Which current mess are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 10:15 PM
-1

Have you actually read Marx? Or the article I linked above?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 09:48 PM
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The way words are used changes over time. Classical liberalism and modern liberalism are not the same thing. In modern parlance, "liberal" is used how I just used it. What kind of SJW subreddits are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 09:26 PM
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Are you sure you aren't just hastily judging people and placing them into that little box? Calling people an SJW for having any kind of liberal belief ever seems to be in vogue these days. Since I've been moderating /r/BlackPeopleTwitter it's been especially hilarious, because some insist the entire subreddit is racist and therefore I'm terrible, while others call us SJWs for banning them for actually being extremely racist. So, apparently I'm a racist and a minstrel, but at the same time an SJW…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 08:45 PM
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How much is it actually spreading though? I have met maybe like 1 or 2 people that actually meet that description. And I have a minor degree in gender studies!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 08:38 PM
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What OP is talking about isn't just class-based though. "Cultural Marxism" isn't a real framework, that's my point. It's an invented term by right-wingers to describe an ideology that doesn't exist. There are no "cultural marxist" theorists out there. It's a big straw man, essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 07:04 PM
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Anita Sarkeesian and others like her are the ones spearheading new, "progressive" game design and there's a lot of pressure in the industry to kneel to it. I don't see how that's "infiltrating freedom of expression". Expressing your opinion to try to get other people to agree with you is how free speech works. Under your definition, aren't you infiltrating her freedom of expression? Cultural marxism is implemented particularly in communist countries. It's when a person is reduced to their social…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 06:30 PM
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Gamergate is a response to self declared feminist morality police attempting to infiltrate the freedom of expression and artistic work. I thought it was about ethics in journalism? Because some guy linked to Zoe's free game or something. Where is anybody trying to infiltrate freedom of expression? It's cultural marxism and it's the reason why there's so much backlash. "Cultural marxism" is a made up term that doesn't really make any sense. I assume you have never actually read anything Marx wrot…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 05:27 PM
1

Price is a function of market value. In your view of sexuality as a marketplace that's how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:52 PM
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In other words, to increase their value?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:14 AM
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Then why would women be trying to restrict sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 10:41 PM
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And why wouldn't women want to have sex? Organisms that do not want to reproduce get selected out really quickly in evolution. Why are you asking me? I'm not the one claiming women having sex lowers their value
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 08:35 PM
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In economic terms individuals act according to their own self interest and groups in general do not act in a collectively rational manner like you suggest. The individual incentive for women in this world view would be not to have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 11:24 AM
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But when you write on the internet that people are less valuable because they have sex with people, that is shaming
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:39 PM
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No it isn't. It's talking about reality. Subjective value judgments aren't "reality" for anybody except for you. "LTR candidate value" is something you have to determine for yourself, it's not an objective valuation that floats above our heads at all times. Good point. Is this "non-hole digger shaming" are you trying to say those people are "worth less". Is hole-digging something that has significant effects on people's well-being and long-term emotional health? Romantic partnership is a fundame…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 05:41 PM
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What part of the logic makes no sense? To "con" someone means to deceive them. How can you deceive them if they know exactly what is happening? If I sell you a bottle of snake oil and tell you it's a healing elixir, and you buy it, then I have deceived you. But if I sell you a bottle of snake oil and tell you that it's a bottle of snake oil, and you know full well that it is simply a bottle of snake oil, then you haven't been deceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 05:26 PM
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I can just imagine OP being shocked that his plate's eyelids aren't actually turquoise
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 04:24 PM
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Who is saying they are less valuable ? Are...are you being serious? From your last comment: Yes, the fact that women lose "LTR Candidate value" is an observed fact of TRP. This is shaming. You are saying they are less valuable. When assessing "Hole Digging Partner Candidates" I'm going to go for the big strapping lad. If I was going for hole digging partners I'd probably advantage the people who have dug the most holes. Oh, I know, "this study shows women with high partner counts have higher div…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 04:01 PM
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You are literally saying they are less valuable. What is your definition of "shaming" if calling people less valuable is not included? I'm not a woman so I sure hope none of you try to wife me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 01:49 PM
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So men don't want to be dreaded in return? You'll find there is never any reasoning for double standards with TRP, they will always just say "it's biology!" except of course none of them are biologists and can point you to any actual biological research
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 01:43 PM
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Someone has an experience outside of my dogma! Does not compute! Does not compute!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 01:37 PM
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Are you being serious right now? The idea that women lose their value the more they have sex is a core tenet of TRP. And you're here arguing only women slut shame? Give me a fucking break.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 01:29 PM
0

This doesn't make any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 01:27 PM
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Sometimes they want to treat me like a gay accessory, but otherwise no. Not in comparison to my friendships with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 11:55 PM
1

are college student part of a different species? it doesnt matter if you take college students or any other human. especially when you observe that ingroup bias going on fucking everywhere. No, but showing bias among one subset of humanity doesn't show bias among all of humanity. Would you take a sample of white people in 1960s rural Georgia and use it to argue that racism and segregation is inherent to human biology? I'm not saying there is zero biological basis, but this is hardly sufficient t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 10:25 PM
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I am always skeptical of studies that use a sample comprised exclusively of college students. It only demonstrates the views of college students, which are a relatively small subset of society. This introduces tremendous sample selection bias
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 09:37 PM
2

I googled "male female bias" and the first article was about how science faculty are biased in favor of men. Could you point me somewhere more specific than Google?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:20 PM
1

What is to blame for society not caring about men? It doesn't make sense that men wouldn't care about men...so who's making this decision?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 08:03 PM
0

I think Congress needs to be more assertive at reclaiming power from the executive branch. Too much latitude and discretion over matters that should be of concern to Congress has been ceded to the President and the executive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 07:54 PM
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In basketball, yeah. I have found women can be just as good at fishing and gaming though. In general girls don't play as many games so on average probably not as much, but I have some friends who kick ass in Smash. Not that into hiking myself so can't comment on that. I am gay, though, so I don't want to have sex with them. I don't find this interferes with my ability to have platonic friendships with men, though, so I dunno why it would for you and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 07:52 PM
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Shoehorning in your irrelevant opinions in response to a comment isn't the way "actual discussion" works
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 07:20 PM
1

Because that part of the comment was totally irrelevant to mine, so I responded in like fashion
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 07:11 PM
1

Nobody caring about men and causing them to be mass murderers
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 07:03 PM
1

But in actual markets there are actual prices attached to signal a valuation. While not everybody is amenable to those prices, the market price is what buyers are generally willing to pay. Which really makes the idea of a "sexual market value" kind of silly -- there's no "cost" to me obtaining the "value" of your sex. If your SMV goes up in some sense, that doesn't actually change anything for me as a "buyer". So what's the method of valuation you're using if there is not an exchange of value ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 06:51 PM
2

I notice how TRP blames feminism for everything, which is what you just did LOL It's pretty funny how much you reflect all the feminists you hate
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 06:50 PM
1

Personally I think that self-worth and "improvement" are subjective and you should find them out for yourself. However, TRP teaches that things such as "sexual market value" are some objective valuation that is shared by everyone (i.e. being "alpha" is an objective thing and isn't based on subjective valuations), so I'm curious how TRP would measure improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 05:04 PM
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But it does mean in the end she did not improve anything. The intention is irrelevant, I think. A shot doesn't count just because I intend for it to go through the hoop, it actually has to go through in order to make it on the scoreboard.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 04:52 PM
1

Those are mostly the same activities I participate in with my female friends
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 04:47 PM
0

I was speaking as a man. The implication was that men and women only have relationships because women have something to offer a man. If relationships are always so transactional in nature, why do I have so many male friends who have nothing of tangible value to offer me?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 04:29 PM
1

In your example, though: He may regret it later This is an example of someone's short-term goals harming their long-term ones. If they regret it, then it wasn't really improvement, was it? They just misidentified what they really wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 04:24 PM
2

I didn't see that argued anywhere in the article. It's just identifying a trend, isn't that what TRP is all about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 04:07 PM
0

In my experience a lot of people have conflicting short-term and long-term goals, and the things they do to fulfill their short-term goals hurt their long-term ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 04:06 PM
1

For the first one, yes, did you read the article that was linked? It also itself links to more research. The second one is a question and does not contain an assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:59 PM
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Even the drug addict who really wants his next fix sees getting that H and shooting up as improving where he was before hand. He may regret it later, but getting what you want is definitely self improvement. I guess we have conflicting definitions of "improvement". To me that would be an example where somebody gets what they want, but is definitely not improving themselves. "Improve" is a value-laden term and is shifting based on the criteria we use.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:45 PM
0

Is it self-improvement if it improves one's knowledge, but degrades one's character?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:43 PM
1

Do you have any evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:42 PM
1

Sex and offspring are the only resources a woman can provide that a man cannot provide for himself. Being friends with a woman as a man does not result in directly acquiring these resources. By this logic other men have nothing to offer me, so I shouldn't be friends with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:42 PM
6

Are you in middle school?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:16 PM
2

By this definition, learning lockpicking in order to become a better thief is a form of self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:10 PM
1

What's your point then? You are just throwing out vague bullshit as if it somehow contradicts the statistics in the OP. Unless you have any actual evidence instead of anecdotes your comments are irrelevant. Do you think that men are not significantly more likely to be murderers in general, and mass murderers in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:08 PM
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Cherry-picking stuff from TRP to support whatever conclusions they've come to is what everyone does on this sub. It's really easy because there is often completely contradictory stuff posted to TRP so really you can use it to confirm whatever biases you want. The only consistent theme is that women are inferior to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:05 PM
2

"Getting what you want" doesn't necessarily mean self-improvement. There are many ways to get what you want that include becoming a significantly shittier person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:00 PM
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Why are you assuming that this is true? Probably because, as the article says: research supports the idea that males are more likely than females to develop negative attributions of blame that are external in nature Come on OP why are you basing your opinions on research? You are supposed to base them on your feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 03:00 PM
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Remember, more men commit suicide than women too, so you'd have to assume they're blaming themselves in that instance Suicide doesn't necessarily mean blaming one's self. It just means they no longer want to live. Someone can blame society or other individuals for all of their problems and still commit suicide because they don't want to live. Read the manifesto of the "supreme gentleman" guy who killed all those people in California a year or two ago before killing himself. The entire thing is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 02:57 PM
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The title says "mass shooter" but the article linked clearly is talking about mass murder in general. Bad wording for the title by the OP but the meaning is clear if you bother to read through the evidence instead of nitpick semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 02:55 PM
1

Do you think infanticide happens at a rate similar to murder?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 02:53 PM
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Really? Why does this post have over 250 upvotes saying: The red pill shits on women because its the truth Where's the self-improvement? Why does it say: we do talk negatively about females most of the time, but that is the purpose of this whole fucking sub This author claims talking negatively about females is "the purpose of this whole fucking sub", not self-improvement. Meanwhile comments like this are downvoted: At what point to do you swallow the pill, stop paying attention to this drivel a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 02:51 PM
7

That still sounds very much like "hitting the wall".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 02:31 PM
1

The entire concept of a "pill" is ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 02:20 PM
9

Why'd your last relationship end?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 02:10 PM
22

Are we supposed to be judging your entire relationship off of 18 seconds of video?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 02:06 PM
2

Pretty sure if I'm 40 and can't pull a woman without marrying her, I'd rather just pay for hookers than risk half my empire. So you'll be the beta bucks for countless different women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 01:06 PM
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Yes there are certain mass appeal strategies that are used as well, but they are far less effective. And when we're talking about sexual strategy, we're talking about the individual level, where you almost never want to use mass appeal tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 09:32 PM
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Obviously there are a lot of differences, but in both cases you are trying to craft a message to appeal to people, or in the case of sexual strategy patterns of behavior as well as just messages and ideas. And just like politicians, you want to craft those messages and behaviors in certain ways, because you want your audience to interpret it in a certain way in order to view you in a certain light. There's actually quite a lot of parallels. If you want a good strategy you need to tailor it down …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:51 PM
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1) No it's not. You are crafting messages and ways of behavior to try to appeal to people. Quite similar, actually. 2) Ah, sorry. I thought my experience as a political campaign manager and consultant gave me a little insight. You know, given that I actually did this as a job. Thanks for telling me how the job is actually done. I will tell all the candidates I worked for they wasted their money on me, even though they won all their elections.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:44 PM
1

This is actually terrible strategy if you've ever been involved in marketing, political campaigning, etc. You don't make a composite consumer/voter that you then craft your singular message towards, you usually try to segment out many different types of people within a given group so you can be more effective with individuals. If you designed a marketing campaign that treated all women as the same you'd be doing a really fucking terrible job.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:32 PM
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Apparently there's enough sexual diversity out there for some people to be gay and bisexual, but if you're straight then everyone is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:26 PM
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No, you totally missed my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:23 PM
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Lol thankfully I haven't heard this from anybody except for old people
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 08:04 PM
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Never mind it completely ignores gay people like myself. It's funny because most TRPers will accept that gay people exist and everything, but still pretend 100% of heterosexual people follow this dynamic. Apparently there's enough sexual diversity out there for some people to be gay and bisexual, but if you're straight then everyone is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 07:52 PM
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I don't have any problems with people who make the choice to live a certain way. But I also recognize the concept of "choice" can be influenced by many factors outside of our control, so I think we should always examine the social and individual circumstances that lead people to choose certain things. Maybe they make that choice because they are incentivized to do so, either by social expectations/stigmas or individual actions. If you change those conditions then maybe that choice would not be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 07:25 PM
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So would you agree that many BluePillers over-react towards the Red Pill, getting their panties in a bunch over things they shouldn't? No, because TRP by and large presents itself as "this is the way the entirety of the natural world operates and is based on inherent differences between the sexes that affect everybody", not "this is a philosophy for some people to follow if they choose".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 07:23 PM
1

Maybe the label left libertarianism is new, but things like anarcho-communism and mutualism have been around for a long time, which are very similar if not the same concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 07:00 PM
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I think a big reason is a lot of people view libertarianism as basically supporting current power structures (the rich are rich because they deserve it, rampant inequality and discrimination is fine as long as people aren't using overt violence, etc). Women see how that's a shitty thing for them historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 06:53 PM
0

The name of the entire thing is full conspiratard
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 08:34 PM
1

"lazy Mexicans" has been a stereotype in America for at least a century. Only recently has the stereotype started to change with the influx of immigrants doing hard manual labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 08:33 PM
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Makes them feel like more of the rebel type or the only voice of reason in a world of lies. You see the same thing among any group of people who believe ridiculous things. I've argued this is why conspiracy theories are so appealing to some types of people; it's a way somebody can suddenly feel smarter and better than all the sheeple simply by watching a 30 minute YouTube video about chemtrails or whatever. This conspiratorial mindset is inherent in TRP right in the name. By believing it you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 05:54 PM
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TRP does censor itself; specifically, from any kind of opposing viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 05:49 PM
2

Complaining about people having bad work ethics is the same complaint that has been used against every ethnic group ever. It's what we in America said about the Chinese in the 19th century, and then the Irish, and the Italians, and all the eastern European countries, and now Hispanic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 05:00 PM
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Only people near the poverty line get access to greater government benefits This is not true, the Earned Income Tax Credit is the biggest form of "welfare" for these families and applies to most middle class families too. You also get standard deductions for each child, which become more lucrative the more money you make (a tax deduction doesn't matter for someone who barely owes any taxes in the first place; but if your top bracket is at 28% that is more significant).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 04:59 PM
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This is a problem of how we fund our social systems, rather than being a problem in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 04:56 PM
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I don't see this as a problem. The only problem is if we as a society are unable to adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 04:55 PM
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If you want to say TRP is a set of tactics for previously unsuccessful and angry men to learn how to manipulate women into having sex, that's cool. I bet it is successful for a lot of people for that. When you get in better shape and actively attempt to have sex with lots of women it's pretty obvious you are going to be at least somewhat successful. Just don't pretend it's a grand narrative that explains the entirety of human society and relations between the sexes, which is what TRP masquerades…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 01:18 PM
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Here's the problem with your post. Firstly, after arguing TRP is not an ideology, you group people together where 100% of men aside from gay men fit into the TRP narrative (as an aside, you totally ignored that bisexual people exist, a group with far more representation than people who are 100% gay). People who are happy are either "natural alphas" or "beta bucks". No other alternatives, no in between. You claim the "vast majority" of people don't have experiences that match TRP yet you lump the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 12:34 PM
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So by definition you're self selecting information from people who are bitter and unhappy and discarding everyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 02:07 AM
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Do you really think there aren't tons of people whose experiences don't match TRP ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 01:45 AM
1

People have value aside from being a sexual object for you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 10:17 PM
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Good, you seem like you're a pretty fair dude
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 09:49 PM
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Nah I just like arguing with people on the internet. Usually either I change their minds or I come away having learned something new, or refined my own positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 09:48 PM
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So you agree that my assessment of that post essentially meaning "I am frustrated with women because they don't conform to my standards for a partner" is accurate? That is a shitty justification and terrible reasoning. I sure am glad I don't go through life being frustrated with people for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:59 PM
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I smoke weed to help with sleeping, I usually get 8 hours every night! Great rebuttal though 10/10 you sure showed how wrong I was
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:56 PM
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Again, the topic is not "what qualities do you want in a dating partner", it's "why do you hate women". That there are many women who don't fit your ideals in a partner is not justification for hating them. It is a double standard because the part about a dating pool is completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:46 PM
1

That sounds more like a problem of your social circle than anything
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:45 PM
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I think it shows something cancerous and ironically solipsistic in your worldview when you consider people to be "failures" simply for not conforming to the things you personally like. Like, you apparently can't even fathom that somebody might be happy and successful living a different way than you think is best. How incredibly solipsistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:43 PM
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Let me break it down from you since it seems you are unable to follow this thread. Thread topic: Why do you hate women? /u/GaiusSchaevolus: Because they don't do anything worthwhile! Me: But according to empirical evidence they are doing more worthwhile things than ever before. /u/Iramohs: But they don't have skills outside of their jobs and looking good. Most women I know can't even cook and clean, I don't want to date them! Me: That's a double standard. Tons of men don't have skills outside of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:31 PM
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That doesn't make any sense. I don't hate men just because they don't fit my standards in a partner. You hate people for not conforming to your romantic standards? Don't you think that is a little bit crazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:23 PM
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First off, people tell us it didn't work ALL THE TIME. Yes, and they are either downvoted and ignored, or told their failures are because they either didn't apply TRP correctly or because the 80/20 rule. It's the same way churches explain every problem with their teachings as people not having enough faith. You can follow all their steps and advice and if you're still not happy and successful, well, it's because you didn't have enough faith or didn't follow the religion correctly. Never is it co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:07 PM
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OK? This thread is still not about what qualities one seeks in a partner. I don't hate people just because they don't fit my standards for a romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 08:01 PM
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This thread is not about what qualities one seeks in a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 07:55 PM
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I'd say I have succeeded at doing other things. I am a happy and successful person in a happy and loving relationship. That you think it's a "failure" is you simply projecting your personal values onto me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 07:54 PM
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I don't think your claims of error correction are accurate. I have been reading TRP stuff for a while now and it's the same bullshit as it's always been. Dissenting opinions are ignored, and like I said people whose experiences don't match TRP don't post there in the first place. By nature you are just going to get a bunch of circlejerking. You also don't get a bunch of people who tried TRP tactics and failed. They aren't going to come back to TRP and tell you about how much they didn't work, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:59 PM
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Because I just went to /r/MensRights and there is only one post out of 25 on their front page about any of those topics, but there are numerous posts talking about how shitty women are. Most of the MRM is not about mens' rights, it's about hating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:55 PM
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I think it looks weird and unnatural This is probably just confirmation bias. You see people all the time who had successful plastic surgeries. You just don't notice it because it looks normal and natural. The only ones you notice are the weird ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:29 PM
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This might come as a surprise to you, but there are billions of women across the world and they aren't part of a singular collective mind. They actually are diverse and have widely varying beliefs and preferences. Why would you think they would all agree on a "set list of demands"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:27 PM
3

Hmm, my experience is pretty much the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:26 PM
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My point is that the destruction of the traditional family unit isn't the problem here per se, it's the inability of people to find suitable alternatives (which, I would argue, mine is an example of).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:23 PM
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I don't, I'm sure a lot of other people don't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:08 PM
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I'm a better cook than 95% of the women I know, and 99% of the men. It seems you are holding women to a double standard. It doesn't seem like a fair criticism to say they aren't awesome at everything. Do you criticize men who work full-time jobs but don't come home to cook and clean on top of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:06 PM
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The problem I have with the destruction of gender roles is that the traditional family unit is dying. Why is this inherently bad? I think we can see the problems caused by single-parent households, but that is more a critique of single-parent households than it is alternative child-rearing arrangements. I am in a polyamorous relationship, and I think if we choose to have kids in the future we will be able to provide a good, supportive and stable home life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:02 PM
-1

Really? With women going to college and entering the workforce at higher rates than ever before it seems to me that women do more to develop themselves than at any other time in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:19 PM
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Do you think this might just be confirmation bias on your part?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:16 PM
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Why should I believe in traditional gender roles in modern society?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:15 PM
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A bunch of circlejerking anecdotes is not the same thing as empirical proof. TRP is an echo chamber because people whose experiences do not conform to the TRP narrative don't post there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 05:10 PM
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I'd say you are suffering from selection bias. Those are the things you notice because they get the most attention. Just like when a gay pride parade happens, you can bet the guy wearing nothing but a Speedo, angel wings, glitter and roller skates is going to be the main headline picture in the paper even though 99% of people there look normal. "Recognizing gender as a social construct allows men to escape toxic forms of masculinity" would probably come from somewhere other than feminism. Well, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 01:24 PM
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I also think recognizing gender as a social construct allows men to escape toxic forms of masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 01:41 AM
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Modern family leave and non-discrimination laws benefit men as well as women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 01:35 AM
0

When I say force, I mean pure coercion as in "do what I say or I'll hurt you". Laws can be changed and their legitimacy derives from the consent of the people who live under them. That's why those laws that restricted the freedoms of women died when women refused to accept them. "Do what I say or I'll hurt you" is what the government threatens to do when you do not obey the law. T The consent of the governed only exists in a democratic system -- and even then, democratic systems are flawed and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:29 AM
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Because such a society doesn't last without the passive or active consent of women, it is not the fault of men unless those norms are enforced with force. By definition when laws are passed, it is enforced with force. It is interesting though your entire critique of "patriarchy" rests upon your own made up definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 11:38 PM
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I'm trying to tease out what exactly you mean by "the patriarchy" though. You seem to agree with me that "patriarchy" is a legitimate concept to apply as a label to some societies, I'm trying to suss out which ones and why. In your earlier comment you listed two bullet points which we both agreed applied to some societies, at least in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 10:02 PM
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That's what I was asking to begin with: can you give some examples? The only example you've given for this claim is Simone de Beauvoir, which as I've argued isn't a good example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 09:43 PM
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I've only responded to the arguments you've made. I simply asked that you give an example for some of your claims, and you made a claim about "patriarchy" using a weird definition and weird examples that didn't make any sense with regards to the arguments you've made. You're the one who has been all over the place, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 09:31 PM
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These aren't freedoms. These are legalized entitlements that society is required to provide to women. Something like being able to open a bank account or own land isn't a legalized entitlement, it is a right. When the government forces a business not to hire you, or not to do business with you, how is that not taking away both of your freedoms? How does a woman successfully assert herself in a society where she can't work or own anything? It seems to me you are putting your a priori philosophica…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 08:55 PM
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Do you not think feminists have worked for the rights of women to take control over their lives? From my viewpoint, things like fair pay legislation, non-discrimination laws, family leave laws, etc are there to allow women to do exactly this. (As an aside, things like non-discrimination laws and family leave laws also benefit men.) The belief of the patriarchy means that women can't control their own lives unless men give them control. I don't think that's what it is, it's just an acknowledgemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 08:41 PM
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I think patriarchy exists only to the extent that women let it exist I'm not sure what this means exactly, and your example doesn't make any sense. Women let patriarchy exist because men can't force women to have abortions? I'm not seeing the logical connection between these two things. I also don't think it's women's fault that laws against them voting and having property were passed by men. I'm pretty sure they didn't just "allow" it to happen. A father has a say whether or not to be a parent …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 08:14 PM
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France was a literal patriarchy when Simone de Beauvoir wrote The Second Sex. Like, they couldn't even have their own bank accounts or get a job without their husband's permission. They had only won voting rights a couple years before the book was published. To be honest it doesn't sound like you know very much about gender through history or the feminist philosophy you are critiquing. I don't mean to sound rude but when you say someone like de Beauvoir was projecting while she was living in an …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 07:34 PM
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I think the first two bullet points you listed are true for most societies, though I don't agree with the conclusion you've listed there. Do you disagree with those two points? I mean those first two points are even written into the text of major world religions and the laws of entire countries. Like, for the USA the country was literally a patriarchy for most of our history. all women are the victims of all men I have a minor degree in gender studies and have never heard this argued by anybody.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 07:22 PM
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Feminists do work for things that benefit men too, though. For example, the National Organization for Women has long been a proponent of same-sex marriage benefits. As a gay man this directly benefits me. They were actually an organizer for the first National March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights in 1978 and supported a non-discrimination ordinance on sexual orientation in 1977. They were fighting for gay rights way before it was a major social issue. Organizations like NOW have been in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 06:18 PM
1

Can you give some examples of what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 06:16 PM
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Because feminism started as a movement asking primarily for rights that were afforded to men, not special rights for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 06:14 PM
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Not those words but there is always a clear "yes". Some have even commented they thought it was hot being asked things like, "Can I take your clothes off?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 07:57 PM
0

Isn't saying she wants to leave "LMR"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 12:52 PM
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I read the story from his own words and can easily determine she didn't want it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 12:52 PM
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Yeah I'm not sure if it's just a troll post or not, but I thought it'd make for interesting discussion nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 12:51 PM
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I haven't really said anything about my interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 12:44 AM
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The purpose of threading is to make it easier to see who is replying to who, not to make it easier for people to completely change topics
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 09:40 PM
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He says he took it from her -- meaning it was in her possession, and he took it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 09:30 PM
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The comment you responded to was very clearly talking about this case, so unless your anecdote was meant to serve as a counterpoint it is irrelevant to what you replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 09:29 PM
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I think it has significant effects on social attitudes, which affects the choices individuals make, and what the law itself is. Less than 50 years ago most states did not have laws against marital rape, for example. California now is debating changing the legal definition of "consent" for cases exactly like this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 09:28 PM
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Fair enough. I think I should make it clear though I wasn't asking a legal opinion on the likelihood of a guilty verdict in my OP, just your personal opinion. As a sloppy analogy, if somebody steals something from my house and I can't prove that it happened, they are still a thief and it was still a theft.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:59 PM
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Without any other context then there's no way to say she did not give consent. If there is on-camera verbal consent then what you described is not a valid defense. The main difference in your story and the story here, though, is no consent was given at any time and we know she stated outright that she wanted to leave. In your case there is evidence that conflicts with the claim; in the latter case, the claim is consistent with the evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:55 PM
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Is it your opinion that, assuming this whole story is real, the OP won't be convicted? Because all the lawyers on /r/legaladvice have the opposite opinion. Also, once again, you evaded the question I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:41 PM
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OK, so you think it's rape. Would have been a lot easier to just say that in the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:35 PM
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So is your answer that this is an example of successfully pushing through last minute resistance?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:29 PM
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Is it not rape if she doesn't violently resist? IMO rape is having sex with someone without their consent; how much they did or did not resist is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:28 PM
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In no way does that video answer the question, "Is this pushing through last minute resistance, or is this rape?" Nothing you have stated can be construed to be answering this question. The only "narrative about LMR" is the one you've constructed in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:25 PM
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Well yeah I searched to find the post to link here, but I didn't just make up the term and by pure coincidence it has also been used in a largely upvoted TRP post by an Endorsed Contributor. You aren't really discussing the thread topic here so I'll not be replying to you further, unless you actually want to engage in my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:17 PM
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Both.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:01 PM
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Rape is generally not a tort matter, it is a criminal one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 08:01 PM
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The part where he says he took her phone. Before he edited the post, it read: She seemed uncomfortable, so I took her phone away and continued onward disregarding her. Again though your questions here are pretty irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:53 PM
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It is quoted in the top comment before OP edited the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:50 PM
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Fear of the man who has already forcefully taken possession of her property and told her that she can't leave is my guess. I'm also not sure what relevance your question has. Is it not rape if she doesn't violently resist?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:47 PM
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I took the term "push through Last Minute Resistance" from this post by an Endorsed Contributor with over 300 upvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:46 PM
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I'd say the opposite of rape is not having sex at all. The only evidence of consent we have in this story is OP's claim that she was "into it" -- after repeated requests to leave and statements that she was very much not into it. Sex without consent is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:43 PM
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I am going off this definition as described in the "Comprehensive Guide" on TRP: Contrary to feminist sloganeering, no doesn't always mean no. Often times “no” simply means “not yet”. Simplest advice is to back off and try again later, or if she's adamant and clearly shutting you down. Sounds like "backing off and trying again later" is exactly what this guy tried to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:29 PM
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It's part of the "Comprehensive Guide" Contrary to feminist sloganeering, no doesn't always mean no. Often times “no” simply means “not yet”. Simplest advice is to back off and try again later, or if she's adamant and clearly shutting you down.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:27 PM
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I reminded her she promised sex and couldn't leave (she was at my place without transportation to get away) It honestly sounds to me like you don't believe it counts as "rape" unless she violently resists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:09 PM
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I reminded her she promised sex and couldn't leave (she was at my place without transportation to get away)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:08 PM
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The fact that she asked to leave. Keep in mind we are listening to the story from the guy's point of view, so it is probably more than a little sugar coated. As it is the original post has already been edited to make it sound more palatable. There are also some states which define consent in ways that makes this IMO obvious non-consent: http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/victims-victimes/def.html Subsection 273.1(1) defines consent as the voluntary agreement of the complainant to engage in the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:03 PM
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There is no indication in the story that she gave consent at any point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 06:49 PM
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No, but it's pretty telling that you interpreted it as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 06:45 PM
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I agree, just playing devil's advocate here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 06:44 PM
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Can't consent be non-verbal though? He says "she was into it". You know, after not being into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 06:39 PM
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Fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 06:31 PM
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Using violence is very successful in abusive relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 01:20 PM
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If marital rape were legal, then yeah, they would use that. Yeah this is all the confirmation I need. OP's argument confirmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 01:18 PM
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I'll say what I said before, men don't need to prove to anyone that they are stronger than women unless they are doubting their own masculinity. Men don't need elaborate manipulation tactics to get women. That's not alpha. Your entire argument is just predicated on your personal definition of "alpha". You also completely ignored my point about legality. The ethics of what TRP teaches also justifies plenty of illegal acts -- and acts which are legal in other countries but not in the United States…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 12:48 PM
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That sounds exactly like the context I'm taking it in. Are we not on the same thread? OP's claim is that violence is an alpha trait, not that it's morally acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 12:46 PM
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Yet some people have also advocated changing laws pertaining to rape. Saying "we don't advocate anything illegal" shifts focus away from the morality of what actually is talked about and what TRP philosophy actually extends to, because what's legal is shifting and different in many places.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 12:24 AM
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In some cases it is not against the law and is good for gaining many things. Did you not read the OP? He/she gave multiple examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 12:23 AM
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You're getting into moral valuations now, but TRP is supposed to be amoral. At least, that's what I've always been told.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 12:16 AM
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There are plenty of powerful people who employ violence
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 11:51 PM
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Nothing in this post is about legality
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 11:35 PM
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Others have told me that "red pill" is amoral and is whatever strategy works.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 10:26 PM
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I have had others tell me on this subreddit plainly that TRP is "what works" and whatever works is what TRP is (though this is a tautological definition), but this here very directly contradicts that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 09:45 PM
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This doesn't refute OP's central assertion in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 09:44 PM
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Beating people is very overtly an assertion of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 07:56 PM
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This is just hamstering that OP already addressed. Since TRP theory is amoral, it goes to follow that alphas can attain this power through whatever works. Could be great oratory skills, could be intelligence... could be fear of receiving a beating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 07:37 PM
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Most women wear makeup. Unless a woman tells you "I am not wearing makeup" I don't see how this is manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 04:21 PM
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The first thing you should work on is learning to think for yourself instead of going head-first into whatever ideology best fits your current circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 04:13 PM
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Just wanted to point out how funny I think it is that you're being criticized for using widespread data to inform your opinions instead of just your personal anecdotes. That's how you should exercise critical thinking yet you are being criticized for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/15 04:00 PM
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I self-define my life
/r/MGTOW05/05/15 02:14 PM
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I made them
/r/MGTOW05/05/15 01:11 PM
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I think they're judging people based on a stupid metric and are limiting their potential to find a happy and fulfilling relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 02:02 PM
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Mid 20s, male, Master's degree, generally liberal. I believe in egalitarian feminism and that most gender norms are social constructs, but that there are biological components to some things which are common among genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 04:32 PM
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Even if your poly, wouldnt you want a high value partner, someone desirable to other people? I do not give a damn what other people think about my partners. Do you seriously judge people based on some kind of "sexual market" scale and according to how desirable you think they are to other people? This is completely foreign to me. They have more choices, more chance of finding people theyre compatible with and capable of deeper connection, and from them can choose which one to have a LTR with. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 04:34 PM
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I don't believe in monogamy so your whole point about sexual exclusivity or availability is irrelevant to me, really. You are operating under a particular viewpoint with particular moral beliefs and value judgments and assuming everybody else does too (or should). Well, I'd say women are going to have trouble getting into long term relationships in the first place This isn't necessarily a bad thing, if the ease of getting into a LTR is lower but the quality of them when they happen are higher. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 04:02 PM
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We have only had accurate statistical polling for a couple decades, so your last claim is pretty ridiculous. And if you have actually read the research, this happiness decline over the past few decades has happened almost universally across all demographics, including women who are traditional homemakers. So it doesn't make any sense to blame it on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 03:58 PM
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I don't know about you but I wouldn't want a long-term partner who is only interested in me because he can't get sex anywhere else. I'd say this helps women avoid getting involved in long-term relationships with shallow men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 03:47 PM
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Why should we encourage women to be careless and low quality This may come as a surprise to you, but not everyone in the world operates with these kind of value judgments of other people for these reasons. why don't we encourage women to be better versions of themselves, work hard, get a decent education, and eat healthily and workout If TRP is to be believed, it's because women never progress mentally past teenagers and are incapable of doing intellectual work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 03:28 PM
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In what way is it not good for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 03:27 PM
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It's funny/sad that it mirrors abuser tactics so much too. "I don't have a problem, you're making me act like this!"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 02:13 PM
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In what way are women responsible for that stigma...? I'm not seeing the connection between "women fuck attractive guys" and "therefore they are worthless sluts". Guys fuck attractive women and the same stigma isn't attached. So it's clearly not about their behavior...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 01:13 PM
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That's because trashy women are generally the ones who are posting craigslist personals, it's not exactly reasonable to generalize that to all women. When you reach into a shit bag you shouldn't be surprised to find some shit, but that doesn't mean all bags are full of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 01:27 AM
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Please refer back to my original comment about how arguing over semantics muddies the water as many of these terms have shifting and sometimes contradictory definitions, and we should instead focus on more specific issues and policy goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 03:41 PM
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Depends how you're defining "patriarchy" here. There are plenty of self-described feminist thinkers who use the term "patriarchy" simply to describe our social norms of gender which both privilege and oppress different types of gender expression for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 03:28 PM
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I don't think there are any grading systems which are 100% objective aside from multiple choice things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 03:00 AM
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The thing with "equally qualified" is pretty subjective. Is it really more impressive that a white kid from the suburbs gets an 1800 on the SAT after their tutoring classes than if a black kid from the hood gets a 1700 coming from a single parent household and a shitty educational system? Most of the affirmative action stuff is a lot more nuanced than you are making it seem. They take into accounta ll parts of a person's upbringing. A poor white kid is probably going to get more preference than …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 02:57 AM
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How would the name change the grade on a math test? Isn't math like, 100% objective? No. For example, on an algebra problem, if someone gets some of the process right but messes up, they will usually get partial credit for effort or following part of the process right or whatever. It's far from definitive, don't get me wrong, but I think it is a useful and interesting insight. If you want to read: http://www.nber.org/papers/w20909 Interestingly the same study showed that in English courses, teac…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/15 02:25 AM
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Can you cite any of these "statisticians experts"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 11:39 PM
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I think it's mostly a combination of: Cultural stigma that girls aren't as good at math and science fields, leading girls to be less interested and undervalue their potential Bias against women in many STEM fields (which ties into the first point) Women generally having less of a natural interest in STEM fields I work in tech and have seen bias among my almost exclusively male colleagues. As an example, we hired a new help desk worker who happened to be a very attractive blonde girl and multiple…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 11:38 PM
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I think "it's just how things are" is an insufficient explanation. For example, there are studies that show gender gaps in math abilities are closely related to general gender inequality in different countries, that girls think they're bad at math even when they aren't, and that teachers give higher grades to girls' math tests when they take the names away. This isn't such a simple and straightforward thing that can be waved away this easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 11:31 PM
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Sorry, I didn't know actual CMV rules were enforced here, I was just contributing to discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 11:23 PM
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I actually studied a lot about feminist philosophy during my undergrad days, and there are tons of different ideas out there by people who self-describe as feminists. I have what most would consider rather radical beliefs about gender and sexuality, but I generally avoid feminist labels because it typically just muddies the water.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 04:01 PM
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The problem is the same as it's been for the past 50 years -- "feminism" is a vague term with shifting and sometimes contradictory definitions, adopted by people with different and sometimes contradictory beliefs. If you want a "third way forward" just focus on actual policy goals instead of trying to fit them under some vague political umbrella. This often detracts from discussion of the actual issues. If we want to talk about, for example, empowering men to report rape by female assailants and…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/15 02:39 PM
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In effect both of them simply exist to gossip about other people. /r/subredditcancer is gossip about all the supposed cancer mods on reddit (though a large portion of the sub is just trolling), /r/KotakuInAction is gossip about writers on Kotaku. You would argue that they aren't "gossip" because it doesn't fit your bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 03:41 PM
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Tina Fey is the best you've got an she isn't even as funny as an overrated Daniel Tosh Wow didn't know this was a thread for sharing objectively wrong opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 03:30 PM
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A good argument for women not being funny right on reddit is the multitude of gossip subs they start. Are women the ones who create subs like /r/subredditcancer and /r/KotakuInAction?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/15 03:29 PM
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Can you give sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 04:30 PM
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It seems ironic to me that an ideology which is supposed to be "sex-positive" makes people ashamed of their sexuality. There's a helluva lot of sex-negative feminism out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 04:29 PM
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No human relationship is excempt from the rules What "rules"? Who wrote this rulebook? you are in a relationship with trained dog Wow, talk about "leading and insulting". A cute one at that, and you do love him, but that just means you won't hurt him purposefully like a dog, but you will move and manipulate him to get your goals met and he will not because he is a good guy, and when he does it's just small shit you berate him for. And now we've moved on to completely fictitious creative writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 02:43 PM
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Both of my parents were fairly involved. Dad coached in sports, mom was always supportive and asked questions about school, helped me out with anything I needed, etc. Mom did most of the cooking, except for grilling. When I got a little bit older I would help out my mom in the kitchen and sometimes make breakfast (starting around age 12). By the time I was 16 I was expected to make lunch for myself on weekends and for when I left school early for work-study. They started making me do laundry aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/15 02:43 PM
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Because it affects the way that others are treated
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 07:42 PM
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In this case "being an asshole" means "slut shaming" and "stating so in our natural communication style". It's pretty ironic because "natural communication style" is just a sugar-coated way to say "being an asshole". Not to mention a fallacious appeal to nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 07:34 PM
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Yes, it matters when you defend being an asshole on the basis of biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 07:19 PM
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Firstly I'd like to point out how you made your claim without any evidence whatsoever, but immediately ask for evidence when somebody makes a counter claim. Almost without exception the most ancient civilizations we have records for practiced polygamy -- Mesopotamians, Israelites, Egyptians, Mayans, Grecians, Romans, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 07:18 PM
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Does it "come natural" because of actual nature or because of social conditioning for how you're supposed to act?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 06:38 PM
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That doesn't make it natural. You choose to act that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 06:08 PM
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Polygamy used to be the norm in the vast majority of cultures. Today the opposite is true. 99% of people today live in cultures where monogamy is practiced. Which one is "natural"? What's the threshold you use to determine if a widespread cultural belief is natural or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 06:07 PM
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Most Native American societies did not have that view of it and there are still indigenous cultures in the Amazon today which do not have that view. European, African and Middle Eastern cultures often have that view because they all have roots in the same cultural prejudices that have been around for thousands of years now. That cultural prejudices are spread and propagated over long periods of time does not make them natural. You are making unfounded empirical claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 05:31 PM
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In pretty much every society through the recorded history of the world, chastity has been a valued trait in women Bullshit, there are entire cultures where non-monogamy is the norm and children are raised communally because it's usually impossible to determine fatherhood. Just because this is common among many cultures doesn't make it natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 05:28 PM
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we're just stating so in our natural communication style I am a man and there is nothing natural about this to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 05:27 PM
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What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:56 PM
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Victims of emotional manipulation, why didn't you just not be manipulated?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/15 06:53 PM
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OK, here goes: You want to rape people because you are deeply homosexual and it is an extreme case of internalized homophobia. Not only do you wish to pretend that you are not 100% homosexual, you want to pretend that you have ultimate control over your sexuality. What better way to do this than raping women? Give me five minutes with you and I'd have you begging for my cock. Say what you will, i haven't made a career out of critiquing the relationships of a group of people Yeah, you do it for f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 04:20 PM
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Hey can I make up some bullshit pop psychology about how your want to rape everyone is some kind of deeper pathology to cover up the overall lack of control and direction you feel in your life or some other bullshit? Also: babbling on about MF relationships in this lengthy, pedantic, over analyzing fashion this is top kek coming from a TRPer
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 04:07 PM
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You could, but the person I responded to didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 06:09 PM
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Men can commit the vast majority of crimes and still be discriminated against, my point was simply that the vast majority of people in jail being men itself isn't evidence of discrimination. With black people, they do commit a largely disproportionate amount of crimes. They are also discriminated against at the same time. Both of these things are true. The way to show discrimination, though, isn't to say "black people are overrepresented in prison" because black people do commit more crimes. Bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/15 05:12 PM
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It would be a reasonable suspicion but hardly proof. Civil and criminal courts work quite differently. Given that OP posted stats which appear to show civil courts are fair to men in custody cases, I don't think showing bias in criminal cases is a very convincing rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 05:11 PM
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TRP shares knowledge, compares notes and is the male equivalent of sexual strategy and "kiss and tell" - that's fine for Cosmopolitan Magazine, but it's abusive, malignant heresy if it's written for men, by men. Good comparison, Cosmo is exactly the kind of nonsense trash TRP should be compared to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 03:23 PM
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I just said there's a man who was dominant, a woman couldn't handle it, and left and committed suicide You said these things about a domestic abuse thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 03:22 PM
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The vast majority of crimes are committed by men. And I'm not seeing what that has to do with divorce cases. You are comparing civil and criminal courts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:33 PM
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Men know they are not favored by the justice system. This is pretty much irrefutable fact. What is your evidence? The stats in this post directly contradict this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:19 AM
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Literally anything is debatable. Whether the sky is blue is debatable also. You are free to debate that it is purple.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/15 03:03 PM
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Yes, TRP does advocate abuse on a regular basis. "Dread game" is probably the most obvious example.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 01:27 PM
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You missed my point. My point wasn't that science is a modern phenomenon, but rather things like discrete fields of institutionalized scientific investigation didn't exist in the past that can be compared to entire fields of science today. So saying "flat earth theory was a subset of geography" doesn't make sense because "geography" didn't exist during those times as a form of institutionalized science like today
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:14 AM
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Yes, two issues which I have already expounded upon: You are making a disingenuous comparison between the modern field of psychology and random flat earth hypotheses in the past You are comparing modern psychology to something few educated people ever believed in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 12:14 AM
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My point is calling flat earth a "subset of geography" as if "geography" at that time was some kind of organized field of science like we have today (with peer-reviewed journals, organized academia etc) is misleading. That is something that simply did not exist through most of history. Which part of my comments are you doubting? That educated people knew the Earth was round? Eratosthenes accurately calculated the Earth's circumference hundreds of years before Jesus was born. Here is a whole arti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:06 PM
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What do you mean? Peer reviewed journals did not exist 1800 years ago. Flat earth was never even a popular belief among educated people anyway. The reason Columbus couldn't get funding for example wasn't because everyone thought the Earth was flat, but because Columbus thought the Earth was way smaller than it really is and everybody knew his beliefs about reaching Asia was a fool's errand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:39 PM
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I wasn't making any such assumptions, but OK. Also, there really wasn't such a thing as academia and an organized scientific method with peer-reviewed journals and the like back when people thought the world was flat. So your comparison is pretty disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 08:31 PM
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NEUROpsychology is a subfield of psychology. And the study of human behavior is real science whether or not they are looking at people's brains. They use the scientific method to learn more about human behavior, that is science. Human consciousness and free choice isn't necessarily immaterial or non-biological. There is plenty of debate going on in the field over these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:46 PM
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Neuropsychology studies both. How do you study what the brain does if you aren't also studying real human behavior? You also seem to have an implicit assumption of pure determinism for human consciousness and choice
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:39 PM
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It sounds like you are confusing psychology with psychoanalysis
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:28 PM
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It's harmful for people to be in abusive relationships but that doesn't stop TRP from advocating abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 08:12 PM
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Lol yeah, you sure did prove me wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 06:35 PM
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Hey, a redditor who read the Dunning-Kruger effect wikipedia article and now posts it anytime somebody disagrees with them. This is a first!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 06:31 PM
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No, I'm just good at pointing out bullshit assumptions
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 05:55 PM
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I don't think putting on a strap on and humping takes a special type of mentality. OP didn't say the woman was super dominant or anything, only that he liked the feeling of a strap-on going up his butt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 05:27 PM
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Women and children first, remember? This applies to, what, 0.000001% of the population that is in a plane crash?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 05:17 PM
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I thought one of the TRP things is that if you're alpha enough you can get a woman to do anything you want in bed? Isn't OP super alpha? Sounds like this is exactly the kind of woman TRP goes after -- women who will comply with what the man wants. Are you saying the women you attract would refuse to do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 05:03 PM
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It's just that you are attracting women that I personally find disgusting OP has given no description of this woman other than she was willing to go along with his sexual requests
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 04:53 PM
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what are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/15 12:48 AM
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How do you figure this? Assuming the children are already birthed and are no longer breastfeeding, wouldn't a male be more able to provide for children in the state of nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 04:11 AM
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No it's not. This is actually an underpinning of conservative ideology. You know -- "the rising tide lifts all boats" to argue against redistribution of wealth. The whole idea is that the world is not zero-sum and greater wealth creation for everyone is possible. Similarly, more rights and prosperity for women does not necessarily mean less for men. It's actually pretty funny to hear you say this is a leftist idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 05:58 PM
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Good thing the world isn't made up of false dichotomies and zero-sum games then
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 05:49 PM
2

Under this logic, you should also support radical feminism. They are trying to get power, and having power is good!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 05:30 PM
3

Uh what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:17 PM
3

You are just so edgy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:51 PM
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Sure, physical attraction is a major part of choosing a partner. However, if I were going to be laying out a "Constitution" of how men should behave and choose their partners, it would be very irresponsible I think to only list those two things, and call them "major assets" and "unique selling points" while talking about literally nothing else worthwhile (also, right after dedicating paragraphs to talking about how dumb and irrational women are). That signals that these are the most important an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 02:50 PM
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Sure, but the actual roles they played? Men were in charge of the family No, like I just said some parts were matrilineal where women were in charge of the family. Women were also involved in governmental and religious affairs which shows they were also instrumental outside of the home. In other societies this was not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 09:17 PM
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I'm not an historian but that doesn't sound true. Just off the top of my head, I know some parts of Mayan culture were matrilineal and even had hereditary descent of queens through the female line.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:46 PM
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As I understand the best available evidence shows early hunter gatherer societies were largely egalitarian, and gender roles started being enforced in the new agricultural societies which demanded a new division of labor and new family structures to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:41 PM
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You are talking about an age for which there is no recorded history, so all of it is theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:34 PM
3

Which culture are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 08:33 PM
0

Fertility yes, sexual beauty no (not only because this is not unique to women, but also because it is a subjective opinion). And of course many women are not fertile and still have worth as romantic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 06:30 PM
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Hmm, weird, maybe you should get better friends. Only a small handful of women I have met meet this description.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:02 PM
2

I think people are generally more upset with TRP teaching men emotional abuse tactics and reinforcing misogynistic views of women at large (e.g. women are irrational, worth comes from sexual attractiveness, etc) than they are men working out and lifting more
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:01 PM
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But that is an objective fact. A woman's value is her attractiveness to men. A man's value is his attractiveness to women. OK, but that's not what the article said. The article said: Women are depreciating assets, their major asset and unique selling point is their sexual beauty and fertility This is not an objective fact. This is a subjective value-based judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:56 PM
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No, I always thought they looked pretty terrible
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:55 PM
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Isn't combating this injustice like the main point of TRP? It's kinda ironic to see you make fun of women experiencing the same thing when TRP treats it as like the worst thing in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:39 PM
3

Does your experience mostly consist of trashy white sorority girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:38 PM
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Yes. Because that is true. A woman's value is based on her attractiveness. Again, you really need to understand that your value-based normative judgments are not the same thing as objective facts. Different people can value wildly different things -- based on either their own inclinations or by placing value on things they are told they should value (which is what is happening here). There is no objective standard of value. By tampering with what men find attractive, you are saying to them that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:25 PM
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Hence, the distinction is not meaningless. The way you are making the distinction is meaningless. You were arguing "you shouldn't be mad when people say your value as a woman is based on your attractiveness, you're conflating that with your value as a person!" But "value as a woman" is a part of "value as a person". It is perfectly rational to take issue with that characterization, because that is part of your "value as a person" if you are interested in a romantic relationship. As a man I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:46 PM
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OK, two things here: The distinction between "value as a woman" and "value as a person" is a meaningless distinction. "Value as a person" encompasses all things which an individual has value for. So "value as a woman" is a subset of "value as a person". Romantic relationships are one of the most important and fundamental aspects of humanity for most people and shouldn't be discounted. "What society wants" is a pretty useless distinction, as well, given that "society" is simply the sum total of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:56 PM
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I don't think that's true at all
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:45 AM
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You are concocting a straw man to argue against
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:17 AM
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Lol sorry I'm not accepting that your value based premises are objective fact
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 11:59 PM
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Yes, and the idea that the only "major assets" you should look for in a relationship are sexual beauty and fertility is a ridiculous notion that is harmful to both men and women. You think I'm misunderstanding something here but I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 11:20 PM
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That part of the "Red Pill Constitution" is very clearly talking about overall worth as a human being. That is why they specify: their major asset and unique selling point is their sexual beauty and fertility It is saying there is literally nothing else desirable about a woman. This is why they also bloviate at great length about how men are logical and stoic and all that jazz and women are dumb and emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 11:07 PM
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I have friends with many different diverse opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 10:39 PM
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Yes actually
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 09:58 PM
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Nobody said anything about banning, but yes I am also critical of Islam and misogynistic rap music.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 09:58 PM
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I find it interesting BP women so often conflate worth as a human being with comments on their sexual attractiveness. What are you talking about? She just quoted the "Red Pill Constitution" saying her worth is based on her sexual beauty. Like it literally says "A woman's worth is...". She is saying she disagrees with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 08:43 PM
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What you described just sounds like trashy white sorority girls, not all women at large
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 08:40 PM
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Yes. Left-wingers generally like to think they are "tolerant" and that they have a "live and let live" attitude. However, they usually stop being "tolerant" when you disagree with them. I am tolerant and have a live and let live attitude. However, that does not include people who actively hurt other people and do not have a "live and let live" attitude. TRP teaches people to be emotionally abusive to women, and that's not something that should be tolerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/14 08:36 PM
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Well, OK, but nobody said that so I'm not sure what relevance your point has. I just said Keynes was hugely influential and New Keynesian economics is a popular subcategory of economics today. Both of these things are true, regardless of whether you agree with the philosophy. Your quote here is a good explanation of why New Keynesianism is popular -- because it makes use of new tools and data to refine some of the failings of Keynes's original writings.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 08:22 PM
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Yes, and Friedman is also taught in every macroeconomics intro class and is commonly read. I don't know what your point even is, I haven't argued anything about what economists follow. I was just responding to your ridiculous assertion that economists don't read Keynes when he is one of the most widely read and influential economists of all time. Do a keyword search of any economics journal for "Keynes" and see how many hits you get. Here is one from the Cambridge Journal of Economics, as an exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 08:15 PM
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Keynes is taught in every intro to macroeconomics class because he had hugely influential publications. Keynesian economics = the economic philosophy of John Maynard Keynes. New Keynesian is a reworking of his ideas with a heavier influence on microeconomics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 06:35 PM
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New Keynesian economics is pretty big. Your claim that people don't read Keynes is absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 05:25 PM
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Because that's not who they studied
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 05:24 PM
2

That sounds like pretty typical /r/relationships advice
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 01:43 PM
0

Perhaps you misunderstood. I was using that simply as an example of correcting social discrimination, to show that discrimination by the government isn't the only form of discrimination/oppression that matters. That was a case where it was discrimination and oppression widespread in society itself, similar to the women's issues that people focus on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 02:53 PM
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I never said anything about making women sit anywhere, not sure where you got that from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/14 01:39 PM
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And the difference between systematic discrimination and bad things sometimes also happening to women is that it's possible to fix the former. I just gave an example where government was able to more or less successfully fix a problem of systematic discrimination in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 11:00 PM
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Why is systematic discrimination by the state the only thing worth protesting/fighting against? Things like the Civil Rights Act, as an example, are meant to correct systematic discrimination by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 10:51 PM
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It can affect everyone, but we know that it disproportionately affects some people, similar to a lot of the other issues you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 10:35 PM
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In my experience it's usually rape, sexual harassment and employment discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 09:48 PM
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If they don't face those forms of oppression then there must not be any at all! As we all know, oppression is a competition and society should only focus on the types that we personally think are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 07:39 PM
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Divorce often is the most appropriate option. That also seems to be popular advice on /r/marriedredpill After that whatever happens happens and if that happens to be divorce so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 03:14 PM
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Yeah because those are places people go to help fix bad situations, not tell everyone how great their relationships are. Again that is selection bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 02:47 PM
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If somebody started applying these tactics, and after months they were an utter failure, do you think they would come back to the sub and tell everybody about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 02:31 PM
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Selection bias, by its nature there aren't going to be any people there telling you how awful their relationships are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/14 02:05 PM
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Or if you're using outdated notions of how wolf packs work to dictate your romantic life
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 06:54 PM
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Do you boil everything in life down to such basic black or white scenarios?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 04:26 PM
1

So my claim that American society isn't in decline is bad because I'm comparing the current state of affairs and trajectory to the past? That's some odd logic there...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:43 AM
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My original comment in this thread was challenging the ill-defined "decline of American society" in the article in the OP. Try to remember how you got into this thread...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:20 AM
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OK well you haven't contributed anything positive to the conversation so I'll just leave it there. I'm not interested in discussing things with people who make normative claims and refuse to defend them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:16 AM
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You made the declarative statement, I am asking you to defend it. I provided you the metrics I think are important, now it's time for you to defend your earlier claim. You don't get to respond to questions with questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:13 AM
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That's what I meant by white collar, should have been more precise as I guess stuff like IT and engineering isn't necessarily "white collar"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 07:53 PM
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Care to share what metrics you use to measure societal decline? I think the ones I mentioned are among the most important. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:38 PM
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American society isn't in decline by most objective metrics. Economy is improving, more people are getting educated, crime is going down, less people are being discriminated against, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:23 PM
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In what way? How does the author not meet that description?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:13 PM
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So basically my analysis there was spot on: somebody who has nostalgia goggles for a time and place they never lived
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 06:03 PM
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I think people do in general, mostly because people privilege liberal arts or white collar education
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:18 PM
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Skilled labor is what I'm talking about. Here is the most recent survey I'm aware of, skilled labor is the #1 shortage they identified: http://www.manpowergroup.us/campaigns/talent-shortage-2014/ Here is a more detailed breakdown: http://www.manpowergroup.us/campaigns/talent-shortage-2014/assets/pdf/2014_Talent_Shortage_WP_US.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 05:07 PM
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This would be a good argument if there wasn't a significant shortage of workers in traditionally male-dominated jobs like plumbing, HVAC, carpentry, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:49 PM
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Why does it seem that American society is in decline, that fairness and decorum are receding, that socialism and tyranny are becoming malignant despite the majority of the public being averse to such philosophies, yet the true root cause seems elusive? Because people have nostalgia goggles for a time they never lived in and lack perspective to see that none of these things are true. Alternately, old people talking about how shitty this new generation is, same as they have always done.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/14 04:37 PM
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I'm not really sure what argument you're making. Transgender people are evidence that even biologically speaking there is significant variance among each sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 11:49 PM
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I don't see why you think someone whose gender expression is literally the complete opposite of their biological sex somehow supports rigid gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 11:37 PM
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Brain scans have shown that transgender people's brains are more similar to their identified gender than their biological sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/14 11:32 PM
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Nobody reads policies and end user license agreement and shit Well you seem to have really strong opinions about the policies of these conferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 06:02 PM
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Well, no, there are plenty of known people who have made death threats. There was actually an NPR story about it on Friday (though it focused more on law enforcement response). Anti-harassment policies give conference organizers a way to identify and ban such people from the conferences. They wouldn't stop death threats from other mediums, but they help to make the conferences themselves better places. Plus, the simple act of establishing a code of conduct helps to maintain a certain decorum and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 05:45 PM
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Plenty of conferences have anti-harassment policies without having any problems. Rebecca Watson is hardly the only person to speak out about harassment at such events. The anti-harassment policies are especially important now that Rebecca Watson and others have received numerous death threats and other types of threats. The absurd backlash kinda proves the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 05:40 PM
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You didn't answer the question at all. Why are anti-harassment rules a problem? Are there some rules being put in place that you think are bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 05:33 PM
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If genocide were a problem at skeptics conventions I'd say that would be a reasonable rule. What particularly do you think is bad about anti-harassment rules? Is there some rule someone passed that you think is bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 05:24 PM
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Anti-harassment rules seem fine to me. What's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/14 03:39 AM
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That is all. Then the atheists went into a frenzy about how she was exaggerating and blah blah. This is really an important thing to mention. It wasn't her and the feminists that made it into a shit-storm, it was the STEM-lord backlash. All she did was record a vlog where she made passing mention of it and said basically "this isn't cool".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/14 03:10 PM
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The Civil War happened because the south seceded and the northern elites wanted to maintain the union. Why did the south secede? I don't think it's "beside the point" to look at the documents where the seceding states explicitly detail their reasons for seceding in a discussion about why they seceded. The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in states not yet liberated by the north And then the 13th Amendment abolished it everywhere directly after the war. Nobody here is arguing the north…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:33 PM
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Have you read the Declarations of Causes from the seceding states? Their legislatures actually got together when seceding and wrote (in some cases lengthy) descriptions for why they were seceding. They include numerous nuggets, like this quote from Mississippi: Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world The Confederate Constitution also forbade member states from banning slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 01:01 AM
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I apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:30 PM
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Obviously, however most posters here are from the U.S. If memory serves you are Canadian though, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:23 PM
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"women are less happy now" The study you linked showed that everybody except for white women in the United States are more happy. If you are trying to show that women in general are less happy then the study you posted shows the opposite. Another angle I find funny is that it also shows men are more happy, while TRPers rage against the women's movement for making men unhappy. Isn't part of the underlying TRP philosophy the belief that men are not happy anymore? 'Cause this says the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:12 PM
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No, I'm arguing over it because it's a great example of how you twist and contort science to pretend that it supports shit that it doesn't support at all. You obviously didn't even read the study you posted, you just liked the title and thought it supports your point, when it doesn't. How do I know you didn't read it? Because you would know that they only studied: trends separately for 12 European countries—Belgium, Denmark, France, Great Britain, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:07 PM
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Things were great in the 1850s, what with slavery and an impending civil war (which was totally about states' rights and not slavery, and don't you ask what states' rights we're talking about).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 04:04 PM
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Rather than immediately inferring that the women’s movement failed to improve the lot of women, we conclude with a simple taxonomy for organizing alternative explanations of this paradox. directly supports my claims There's also the fact, which you completely ignored, that the decline was only among white women in the U.S. Women in other racial groups in the U.S. and women in Europe did not have any decline and in fact reported higher levels of happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:58 PM
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I'd recommend reading the discussion section of the article you posted. It's also worth noting that European women measured an increase in happiness, where arguably women's movements have been far more successful. However, while U.S. women also experienced an absolute decline in well-being, the subjective well-being of European women has risen in an absolute sense
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:52 PM
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1950s past 35 years That is an interesting study though. There are of course many different factors that go into someone's overall subjective well-being, as the authors well note: Rather than immediately inferring that the women’s movement failed to improve the lot of women, we conclude with a simple taxonomy for organizing alternative explanations of this paradox.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:42 PM
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And yet, for some reason, men are happier today than they were in the 50's, and women are less happy This is the kind of pseudoscience (or in this case I guess pseudo-history) I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:35 PM
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I answered honestly, I think that is a pretty decent brief summary of how I feel about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:16 PM
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A longing for the return to the 1950s, dressed up with pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 03:05 PM
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K
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:51 PM
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I don't even pay attention to your orange-reds but if you read them carefully So you don't even pay attention to them, but you read them carefully. Uh...ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:32 PM
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You seem to think just because you write a lot of bullshit that it warrants a dignified response.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 02:29 PM
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Why not popular? TRP got 6 million unique hits last time I checked in June. I'd say its a pretty popular topic for its size. That's not what "popular" means. You get 6 million uniques for the same reason everybody slows down to see a car crash.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:51 PM
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Yeah, because "be alpha" is much more specific advice than "be attractive"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:48 PM
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I meant the definition that alpha is "whatever gets the most sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 01:30 PM
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LOL and the definition given above is not vague?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/14 12:08 AM
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I don't see how "attractive" wouldn't work there, as what is "attractive" differs based on the scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 11:53 PM
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How does that term then differ from "attractive"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 11:11 PM
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Not all definitions are tautological, that doesn't make sense. The definition provided here still doesn't work because "whatever the hottest, youngest most desirable women reward with the most sex" can differ drastically among different women while TRP and manosphere places in general act as if it is a set fixed of traits based in biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 11:04 PM
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"Strong" maybe, but independent can be pretty well defined I think. Saying what that user said is circular is like saying the definition of successful is circular because what is successful changes Which is inherently different from the concept of "alpha" being a fixed set of traits that works on all women. Gotta be alpha bro and increase your SMV cause AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 10:36 PM
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The difference between these two things is that "alpha" has a definition which is nebulous and subjective. See the "definition" that another poster just commented with, which is just a form of circular logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:40 PM
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That is a tautological definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 09:39 PM
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Strong independent women exist, therefore strong independent women are a real thing. The concept of "alphaness" being a sexual strategy that is innate to human evolution and biology is quite another level of claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 08:54 PM
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The fact that there is a lengthy definition that people put a lot of work into isn't actually evidence that it's a thing. Tons of people put a lot of work into forming all kinds of intricate bullshit on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:43 PM
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That'd depend on your definition of alpha This assumes the "alpha" phenomenon is a real thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:35 PM
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If you can't understand the point of an extremely popular sub banning or warning based on knee-jerk repeating from a list of 10 tired fallacious spammed unoriginal thought-terminating clichés (posted by 10,000 other people before you), you can circlejerk why that is proof we're a cult on TBP all day. The point is obvious -- to stifle meaningful dissent by pointing out major flaws in your bullshit ideology. Labeling it "trolling" is just a lazy way of avoiding your obvious cognitive dissonance. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 07:20 PM
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The cognitive dissonance is strong
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 03:22 PM
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Nope. I just wanna point out how quickly you go from "nope, we don't discourage dissent" to... It involves a list of 10 fallacies "We don't discourage dissent, we just have a well-defined list of things that we ban for"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/14 01:18 AM
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That doesn't make any sense. But just to humor myself here is the ICSA's checklist of cult characteristics. Of course no cults meet all the criteria but let's check it out: ‪ Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished. Yep. The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel Yep. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members Yep. ‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 02:14 PM
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This sounds very cult-like
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/14 12:19 AM
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Right, my understanding was that AWALT referred to potentials within all women that will be actualized to varying degrees depending on the context. This doesn't make any sense to me. Everybody has the potential to do anything within the human experience. This is like saying "it is the nature of men to rape" and then defending it by saying "yeah, well, even though the vast majority of men don't, they all have the potential to!" That's an asinine argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/14 08:34 PM
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I would obviously prefer that too, but do you think if one of your friends were a rapist, they would just tell you about it? I assume you don't ask them these sorts of questions. I never asked my rapist ex-friend if he was a rapist. Was he misleading me by never talking about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 06:51 PM
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I don't see what is vindictive or misguided about not telling you they are a rapist. Do you regularly ask your friends, "hey dude btw are you a rapist?" The scenario I'm describing actually happened to me, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 06:24 PM
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Not assuming that they are not rapists isn't the same thing as assuming that they are. I'm sure there are lots of things you do not know about your friends. I don't think it's "safe to assume" people are incapable of doing awful things just because they don't tell you about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 04:53 PM
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I never said you should assume your friends are rapists, I'm just saying it is entirely possible that your friends who you have known for a long time and know well might be rapists. People don't usually just come out and say these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 04:30 PM
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get ripped, get rich, get groomed, get funny, get interesting hobbies and friends, get a high social status I'd tell them these things if they want to be more attractive. The other shit you mentioned is unnecessary. Though I would add "be honest about your expectations and what you are looking for". You're assuming that the "red pill" stuff is going to be more effective without giving any reason for believing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 04:26 PM
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I wouldn't assume this. I learned recently that an old friend sexually assaulted another friend of mine when I invited them both over to a party at my house. I never would have known otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 04:20 PM
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Maybe it's just my solipsism speaking, but I've never met another person who didn't respond with a hearty "WTF" over the events of that case. Because of this, I can't really get my head around the idea that the culture which imparted my values and those of the people around me, approves of rape. I see it a different way. Everyone in my town also reacted the same way about the Steubenville incident. But if it was my local high school who had these allegations, I think my town would have reacted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/14 04:19 PM
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No, where did you get that from?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 03:49 PM
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I'm sure there are no other people who also lived through it who disagree with you. If you look at today, I'd say it's pretty clear which side won in those debates. It's not the Dworkin folks. And you can't question my statement there, because I lived through third-wave feminism!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 02:51 PM
2

If you think writers like Dworkin didn't have extreme opposition during their entire careers you must not have been paying attention. Martha Nussbaum even wrote an entire article about how contemporary feminists labeled them as man-haters! Dworkin's stances on pornography in particular had heated disagreements from the beginning. Have you never heard of sex-positive feminists? Here's some reading. Gayle Rubin in particular, who fleshed out the idea that gender norms and biological sex are distin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 02:21 PM
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I identify as a feminist and I am a man! Crazy, I know. I do not believe in rigid gender structures and I believe in the political and cultural equality of sexes. I think this is empowering for a lot of men, like myself, and especially men who desperately try to fit into macho/masculine gender roles when this is obviously not their identity. And whether SCUM Manifesto is supposed to be satire is irrelevant. I was simply stating the fact that most people interpret it as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 01:33 PM
1

I'd say that's a Gish Gallop.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 01:29 PM
0

I actually have a minor degree in Women's Studies. While we did read all of the people you mentioned, I don't think they were lauded and revered as great works. They were presented to us as important works in the history and transformation of thought, but they were very controversial when published and still are today. When we read the SCUM Manifesto the overwhelming consensus of the class is that it was ridiculous. Most people consider it a piece of satire in the first place. Similarly we read …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 12:20 AM
1

I'm sure there is some useful stuff there but I'm not sure I can finish it without dying from blood loss through my eyeballs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 08:25 PM
2

Feminists most definitely hate men. Not all feminists do, but the movement itself is run by leaders who do, and who moves it in that direction currently. [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 08:06 PM
3

Way to be a hatemonger!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 06:14 PM
1

So...yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:57 PM
1

You into gay dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:53 PM
1

You're kinda funny at least, I'll give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:47 PM
1

Well this is great proof that it doesn't work very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:41 PM
1

OK, in that case I guess I'm glad you are making obvious attempts at obfuscation. It really makes you look dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:22 PM
2

Do you know what the word "debate" means?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:10 PM
2

Given that you've written many paragraphs in this very thread, I wonder who you think you're fooling with this bullshit pretending that it's not worth your time -- while you argue endlessly in the same exact thread. I also find it hilarious how you just assert things you wish to be true and treat them as facts. My favorite post showing your obvious self-improvement and strong relationships was the guy who came to TRP saying, "I'm using TRP very effectively and it's been great! I dread gamed my g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 01:02 PM
2

Your comments read as a petty and childish attempt at ignoring the cognitive dissonance in your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/14 12:47 PM
10

Given that this is what he normally looks like, I'm gonna say #2.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 01:26 PM
1

Do you generally treat people as statistics? If it doesn't apply to individual interactions then I don't see what the utility is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/14 12:57 PM
4

the general attitude towards womens rights has shifted dramatically Nothing's going to change their mind If everybody believed #2 then #1 never would have happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 05:46 PM
3

I think human rights go beyond governmental enforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:32 PM
4

How do you figure that an individual deserves to have a bias against them for something they did not choose?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 09:42 PM
1

Well if they worked wouldn't TRP cease to exist? If Islam weren't true then wouldn't it cease to exist? Insert any religion/ideology in there and you should see why this argument sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:49 PM
2

Because while it might make a TRPer happier, it negatively affects everybody they try to game.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:48 PM
4

Do you truly believe that there are no more social biases against women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:28 PM
3

I think gay men have their own struggles with masculinity, just like straight men do, and that seems to be what brings most people to TRP. Some gay men have really sad struggles with masculinity, trying desperately to fit the reality that they are gay with their backwards ideas of gender norms. I used to be like this, and I'm so thankful that I didn't find any toxic places like TRP to reinforce these terrible ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 01:05 PM
11

That's because "blue pill" doesn't mean anything and is basically an empty straw man to fill with whatever you want to argue against at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:33 PM
6

the best thing about it is the education on disguised manipulation tactics that women use on partners As long as you recognize that these manipulation tactics are not confined to one gender or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 01:08 PM
2

I think it's often hard to differentiate tone from content, as tone informs how the reader interprets it. The way you wrote the post is confusing and almost internally contradictory, and is very open to misinterpretation in disastrous ways. I think that's more a problem with the content itself than just the tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 12:34 PM
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FYI, I've seen similar discussions that use language which I think is a lot less borderline. For example, "consensual non-consent" is the way I have heard it described by a friend who is into the BDSM scene. That is I think what you're talking about. I understand what you were getting at, I just think the way you wrote about it is extraordinarily bad (and honestly kinda karma-whoring for the folks on TRP who just want to feel super edgy all the time).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 08:39 PM
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You said you should discuss safewords, not that they are necessary. You don't see anything problematic with your post and I'm sure nothing will ever change your mind. Just know that people get raped all the time, and a lot of rapists think they have consent when the victim stops resisting. Just like you tell people in your post. My old friend who raped my other friend doesn't think he's a rapist, either, for this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 08:23 PM
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I'm not really speaking of hypothetical cases, which is why I mentioned one specific case I know where the aggressor thought the victim's resistance was just token and misinterpreted them stopping their resistance as consent. It's something that happens all the time. Even if I weren't intimately familiar with this exact scenario happening it's not an unreasonable extrapolation anyway. That wouldn't be misinterpreting what you said, it would be following exactly what you said. You said that it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 08:10 PM
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I'm not trying to say that you in particular were actually advocating rape, I'm saying the way you wrote your post can give very wrong ideas to people who are reading it. You mention safewords only in passing, and after telling the reader that it's only rape when the guy has low SMV. It's especially problematic because a lot of people stop resisting once they've pretty much given up and accepted that they are being raped, which a lot of people reading your post might construe as consent (it was …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 07:38 PM
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Except you also have bullshit like: So when is it rape instead of ravishment? Aside from obvious cases of drugging someone or having sex with the unconscious . . . the difference is strictly in the disparity of your SMV's. The stranger-in-the-bush is often characterized as some seedy low-life thug. This evokes intense fear. Being forcefully held down in bed by the muscular CEO of a Fortune 500 company does not evoke this fear. If someone figures themselves an "alpha" then you've just told them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 07:33 PM
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The problem with your thread is you don't really give the reader a way to discern between a woman who "wants to be raped by a high value man" and a woman who is resisting your advances. You tell people that women resisting their advances means they want it. Can you not see a scenario where someone read your advice, and ended up actually raping a woman because they took her resistance as just a front they were putting up?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 06:57 PM
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All your suggestion leads to the BluePill You talk about "BluePill" like it's actually a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/14 06:52 PM
2

I grew up in rural Georgia (though my hometown is more suburban now). Up until recently we actually had one of those snake handling churches, if that gives you an idea. Being a gay teenager was not a good time. A church-affiliated group did our sex education courses, which consisted of basically telling us if we have sex before marriage either the girl will get pregnant or both of you will get an STD.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/14 08:48 PM
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"I love taking fat bong rips with my homies." - George Washington
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 03:39 PM
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Current culture, in the US at least, is constantly reiterating that we shouldn't be ashamed of our partner counts Some parts of the culture, maybe. There are also parts of the culture which laud virginal purity and shame premarital sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 03:08 PM
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"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/14 02:18 PM
2

You obviously are not, yet you did not post an actual reply to the thread. I'd say you serve as a pretty good microcosm.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/14 06:19 PM
2

Who do you think comes up with IQ tests?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 08:58 PM
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Nobody cares about Beyonce's sister is your answer. Your specific examples don't apply because you got the basic facts wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/14 01:58 PM
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Try to find the things in life which bring you joy and fulfillment, because when you're dead you're dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/14 12:53 AM
1

Can you give some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 05:28 PM
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But let's not pretend that those people aren't a tiny fringe minority. Ridiculous people on Tumblr aren't actually representative of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 03:32 PM
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Kant actually wrote a good bit on sexual ethics in particular. I don't have any of his works next to me, but intention and frame of mind were pretty big parts of his moral philosophy, not just action.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 03:11 PM
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That's just a subset of the larger concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:55 PM
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Do you mean Mill? And my point was the concept of "objectification = bad" goes back centuries in western society, so it's silly to pretend it's a new age war against men invented by feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:41 PM
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Dude, objectification has been a central point in western moral philosophy for centuries. Treating people as an ends instead of a means was central to Kantian ethics which arguably had the biggest influence on western morality in the last 200 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/14 02:18 PM
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Well my claim is something that is generally well-known as it's been supported by study after study. But here's a good overview: http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/cheating-and-infidelity/stats-about-infidelity.html Every study I'm aware of has found men cheat more often, regardless of methodology.
/r/askTRP04/09/14 04:04 PM
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Source?
/r/askTRP04/09/14 03:00 PM
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So as far as being promiscuous, guys would lay down their lives for the woman they "love," and won't fuck other girls or even think about other girls because of this "love." We sacrifice and expect the same in return, because that's what good honorable men do. But we know men cheat more often than women do. What's the deal?
/r/askTRP04/09/14 01:55 PM
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That doesn't make it OK to invade other people's privacy. Whether or not someone's expectation of privacy is in line with reality is a separate issue from whether or not this was a wrong act.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/14 02:04 AM
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Stop concern trolling. BANNED
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/14 02:01 AM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/14 01:50 PM
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Go on, demonize me more with your terrible logic. To begin with, this is sound logic. What you intend to do isn't always the same as what the effect of your actions is. This is really just a basic fact of life. Actually, I have vivid memories of clear cut and dry cases where they knew exactly what they were doing, and they were getting off to my misery. I am very sorry that you had to experience that, then. Since I don't want to assume any specifics about your history, I'll go off my own example…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/14 02:18 AM
1

Jawbone isn't just for sleep, it also tracks your movement activities through the day. You can also set it to do neat things like buzz on your wrist if you haven't moved in an hour. I work a tech job so this is a helpful reminder for me to get up from my desk sometimes. It is kinda annoying though, I find it to be generally bulky and uncomfortable. I think everything this thing does and more will soon be coming out in much better form in smart watches so it'd probably be prudent to hold out for …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/14 01:53 AM
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It's still kinda gray scientifically, but it tracks your motion through the night to determine basic sleep cycles (or if you get out of bed and it can track steps, it knows you woke up). I don't put too much stock in how much light versus deep sleep it calculates, but it generally gets the total amount of sleep right. Look up Jawbone UP 24.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/14 01:38 AM
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Whether you actively try to is irrelevant as to whether you actually do. I doubt the people who made you feel guilty about being a male were actively trying to harm you, either, but they did, didn't they? That is the same thing you and your ideology do to other people. You perpetuated those negative gender stereotypes here in this very thread, while at the same time posting your very real story of being harmed by them -- without apparently seeing the connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/14 01:35 AM
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But what helps me sleep at night is mostly a consistent sleep schedule, abstaining from caffeine after noon, exercise, and occasionally a bit of reefer. It works good for me. According to my Jawbone I average nearly a full 8 hours every night!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/14 01:07 AM
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If it's fair for you to treat all women based on negative stereotypes, then shouldn't people do the same for you? Why is it OK for you to complain about this while brushing off the negative effects on others?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/14 01:04 AM
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You aren't being logical. You are defending the use of negative stereotypes for other people while simultaneously throwing a pity party about how awful it was when people did the same to you. That's called hypocrisy and contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 08:03 PM
2

Oh OK, only stereotypes about other people are accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 07:20 PM
1

On balance I think more patriarchal. I think we're heading to being neither, and to a society where we don't enforce rigid gender norms on either men or women. I also think that's a good thing. As a gay man I have been negatively affected by gender norms for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 05:43 PM
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Yeah well stereotypes are there for a reason! It must have been true for you, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 03:53 PM
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That doesn't really refute or expound on OP's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 05:32 PM
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No, all those people only think they are in happy, fulfilling relationships. If they just lifted more they would see the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/14 05:29 PM
1

No, just ignoring the fringe opinions of jilted internet neckbeards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/14 05:10 PM
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Fuck you for actually reading what the authors said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 07:04 PM
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Where were the women who wanted long term commitments when I was in my 20s? I dunno. Where were you? Tons of women around me are wanting long-term commitments. My brother just got married last year and my best friend is about to have his second child. I've attended two weddings in the last year of other friends in their 20s. I can think of way more examples of women I know in long-term relationships than women banging new dudes every weekend. Your posts ready very much like you are simply blamin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 01:54 AM
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The point being made is that your logic is shitty and can be turned around to mean the opposite of what you're arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 01:53 AM
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Your logic doesn't make any sense to me. You say that men used to police each other, but it's women's fault for messing it up. If it was men who were policing each other, how could women change that? According to TRP all women are hypergamous sluts by nature who can't help but give it up for the next alpha who comes around, so how could women's behavior change the fact that men police one another? Since this is all BioTruths™, women were always like this right? If all women are like that by thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/14 01:48 AM
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Women cannot sleep around if there are not loose men to fuck. And I think chivalry died with the Enlightenment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 10:30 PM
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So it's bad when women sleep around but not men? Why does your logic here not apply to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 08:14 PM
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What about the men who the sluts are all having sex with? What are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 07:19 PM
3

Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 07:18 PM
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So in other words a slut is when it's a woman and it's "red pill" when it's a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/14 07:01 PM
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I think OP meant social value and the other dude responding maybe meant something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 11:34 PM
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What I was replying to was the assertion that men's value in society in general (not "sexual market value") is determined by a man's partner count. This seemed absurd to me as most people in society have no idea what each other's counts are. The post was: society generally determines a . . . man's value by his status . . . and how many women he's slept with That just struck me as being ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 08:52 PM
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I can see that to some degree. But do you think that's valid at all? Even TRP has something they call the "anger phase" to describe the ridiculous attitudes people have from their inability to get women to like them. I think there definitely are some people who hold certain views simply because they have been jilted by some women (due entirely to their own fault). That's hardly the same, though, as saying society uses a man's partner count as a determination of value/status. What you're describi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 08:38 PM
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Have you considered that you're just an asshole and your partner count has nothing to do with why people think so?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 08:10 PM
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That's what I'm asking, do you actually encounter this? I have a rough approximation of how many women some of my close friends have had sex with, but what you're describing is something I have literally never encountered before. Do you live somewhere that everyone's partner counts are public knowledge?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 08:02 PM
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If only the sheeple would open their eyes they would see the clear evidence that the moon landing was faked, chemtrails are real, Jews did 9/11, and Elvis is still alive!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 07:47 PM
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...and how many women he's slept with Do you actually encounter this? I have no idea how many women people have slept with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 07:41 PM
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You can cherry pick examples of any group of extremists.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 03:54 PM
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Also women shouldn't have multiple partners, even though they are literally incapable of refusing sex for an alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 03:28 PM
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TRP doesn't promote or advocate what you must do, as much as it explains and discusses what actually works. So they don't advocate anything, they just say being an asshole is a successful strategy and leave you to make your own decisions. That's way different.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 03:01 PM
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No where in TRP do they advocate you must be an asshole, and not be kind Dread game, negging, spinning plates, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 02:31 PM
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You're totally proving the OP's point in this thread, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 02:26 PM
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My original post wasn't so much abotu feminsits as it was about general BP women (some of whom may not even identify as feminists). What I'm saying is that it's generally seen, by those people No, the extreme examples you are trotting out are not generally true for most people who are "Blue Pill" or even self-identified feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 12:56 PM
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I roll with the LGBTQ crowd and my sister's a queer feminist in college and yet I've still never encountered these types of people. The first and third examples I've only seen linked on TIA, never in real life. Same here. I even did a minor degree in women's studies in my undergrad and have never encountered anybody like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 12:50 PM
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Every time an article comes out about "things men like" or "trends men hate" the feminist universe collectively goes nuts over "Who the FUCK cares what men think!?!?" and "You're making the teenage girls insecure!!!" or "This is why we have anorexia!!!" Can you give an example? I have never seen this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/14 12:48 PM
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Yes, because he has consciously chosen to be an awful person. My opinion didn't just come out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 04:08 PM
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I'm not separating the content from the person. Your rebuttal did not address any of the actual criticisms, which you have still not done. You seem to think people would agree if only they had some empathy. I have empathy for the dude and I still think he's a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 04:00 PM
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No. I'm assuming that people are attacking the author because he spoke out You're still missing it. The simple act of speaking out isn't an issue. It's what was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 03:39 PM
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I understand the reason it was originally posted. That is not what I responded to. I responded to your statement that the criticism of the article was a "reminder of how sexually unsuccessful men are really viewed". When the criticism had nothing to do with the fact that he was sexually unsuccessful. You assume people are attacking the article because of the author's status as an "incel" and that it's because he's a man speaking out and not the fact that the content itself is atrocious. Others a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 03:31 PM
1

OK, so to condense down the response to that shitty article, here it is: The problem with his argument is that he blames all of his failures on "feminism" or "feminine thinking" instead of the fact that he was an awful person nobody wanted to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 03:20 PM
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I think it's more about the awful things that come out of his mouth once it's open.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 02:39 PM
1

Nice meme!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 02:13 PM
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it's an excellent reminder of how sexually unsuccessful men are really viewed None of the criticisms had to do with the fact that he was sexually unsuccessful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 01:13 PM
2

no one can experience anyone elses love I can witness and understand how women love Wait a minute, you can't experience anyone else's love, but you do think that you can understand someone else's love simply because you both have vaginas? This is the contradictory stuff I was talking about earlier. I don't see how your logic for why you can't understand men's love (because you can't experience somebody else's love) doesn't also apply to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 04:02 PM
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I apologize if I misinterpreted your comment, but the way it read to me you were agreeing with the premise that men have one type of love and women have another. I read the whole thing and it did not seem to me you ever contradicted that premise. You even ended it continuing with the assumption that men love one way and women do another.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 03:31 PM
2

That doesn't mean it has to be your answer. The way you answered carries with it an implicit assumption about love being gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 03:20 PM
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no one knows what the opposite sex's love feels like Why is this a gendered thing? Using the logic you laid out we can't know what anyone's love feels like, regardless of shared or opposite gender status.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 12:47 PM
1

factoids A factoid is something that sounds true, but isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 12:46 PM
1

Yep...the "game" they teach is totes different from the games women play!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 12:25 AM
1

unless you lump in strategies as games A rose by any other name is just as sweet (or vile, as the case may be) Fuck dude the sub refers to the entire concept as "game".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 03:09 PM
1

Have you ever read TRP? I mean, jeez, it's the worst for dudes playing ridiculous games in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 12:33 PM
3

Dudes play just as many games in relationships, gay or straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 12:24 AM
2

It's been about two years now, pretty solid. He moved in with me about 8 months ago and we are still very happy. But maybe it's cause we're gay dudes, so I think the answer here is you should become gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 07:59 PM
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Probably true, yeah. But for me, I don't think in terms of "how do I make this fucked up and unhealthy relationship work in my favor", I try to find a partner who doesn't play shitty games like that. Thankfully I've been successful at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 07:38 PM
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Funny, almost all of those posts on there are TRPers accusing everyone else of using that phrase so often. Did you even read what you just posted?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:26 PM
0

That's because it is a study made by The Heritage Foundation, whose entire purpose is to make studies supporting pre-determined conclusions (in this case, a typically conservative view of sexuality). If you can find me a single Heritage Foundation study which reached a conclusion that doesn't support conservative political or moral beliefs then I'll start considering that a good source.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:14 PM
1

I don't think it really gets overlooked by the detractors of TRP. I see arguments about TRP being bad for long-term emotional health, both personally and within relationships, quite frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:12 PM
4

The more I think about OP's question, the more apparent it becomes how transactional sex really is. Only if you're in a fucked up and unhealthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:07 PM
1

but you keep redefining it You haven't been here too long, have you? Re-defining things is what you can expect with any debate with a TRP person. They will try to re-define everything you can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:02 PM
7

TRP is literally the first place ever that said confidence is attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:01 PM
5

When he walked out of the bar, he found $100 on the ground and all the patrons erupted into a round of applause as he passed that shit test with flying colors. That OP's name? Albert Einstein.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:00 PM
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The first is about how these traits are beneficial. The second asks for hacks because obviously this person is trying to have these traits. The third doesn't merely point out the science, they state quite plainly: Become amoral rather moral vs immoral. Once you get to this point, Dark Triad is just around the corner. If this isn't telling people they should become "dark triad" I don't know what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:02 PM
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Well massage is a service. A woman's worth is heavily based on her pussy, so in effect prostitution makes her pussy have a real value. Making her a product, or making the most intrinsically valuable part of her a product. Why is one a service and the other a product? A prostitute is offering a service. They also offer more than just their vaginas... I am comfortable with allowing women to make choices about their own bodies, yes, even if that includes selling access to it to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:39 PM
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Problems with prostitution. Sweden makes it illegal to buy sex services, as well as makes it illegal to run a brothel. They have no regulation at all of the prostitution industry. The only thing they have "legalized" is they don't have criminal penalties for prostitutes themselves. I would not say this really counts as "legalized" when it's still an illegal transaction. You seem to be ok with making women products for the government to regulate. This is an absurd claim. Regulating safety for any…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:21 PM
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Yeah it literally is: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/27fq8r/dark_triad_traits_are_beneficial_in_everyday_life/ http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2c402x/what_are_some_unethicaldark_triadmachiavellian/ http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1w0x04/multiple_studies_support_the_sex_appeal_of_dark/ These are all moderately to heavily upvoted threads where people are literally suggesting people try to emulate these traits (and even extolling the virtues of them). I'm sure I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 07:45 PM
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Sweden is a good example. Good example of what...? I still don't really know what you're talking about. The point is that it took 50 years for Nevada to start testing Prostitutes, and it was only because of HIV. Which implies disease aren't factor in the the industry. As they shouldn't because, it's the job brothel owner to protect their product and customers. I'm still not sure what your point is. How are they not a factor in the industry? What does the timeframe have to do with whether or not …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 07:41 PM
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Not true it all.. In fact some one posted that I was right ;) I can't find that but I'd be interested if you can show me. In Nevada they legalized prostitution and didn't test for disease for 50 years. So clearly it wasn't important, it stop workers, or johns. I think prostitutes that want continue working do what they can to stop diseases. Espeicalyl based on HBO documentaries they do. I'm not sure what point you are making with the timeframe. So what if it took 50 years? The point is that STD …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 07:17 PM
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If we are to believe that "enititlement" leads to sexism. Then since "twenge found that individuals in their 20s were three times more narcissistic than those over the age of 60," today's generation should be more sexist than that of our parents or grandparents. But not a single study shows our generation to be more sexist than that of those before us. In other words the study is not consistent. The error in your thinking here is the implicit assumption that this is the only variable that leads …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 07:01 PM
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http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11199-014-0360-1#page-1 Looks like most of their survey methods were based on methodology that had already been established to test for particular personality traits. BTW when looking for studies it's best to do a search for the full paper name enclosed in quotations. For example I searched for "Psychological Entitlement and Ambivalent Sexism: Understanding the Role of Entitlement in Predicting Two Forms of Sexism" and it was the first hit. You can als…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:09 PM
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But it's only harmful to the redpillers who try to adopt those traits And the people who they try to manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 04:57 PM
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That is in a news release, not the actual study. And based on my experience with university news releases and faculty, the public affairs offices frequently botch the news releases. I'm sure the professor has his own moral views but that doesn't discard the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 04:48 PM
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Does that mean there aren't crazy entitled people on TRP? Of course not. There are crazy, entitled people in every community especially on the internet. The difference is folks at TRP deliberately try to take on narcissistic personality traits, i.e. "dark triad".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 03:32 PM
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It sounds like you did not even read the articles. The actual study did not have any kind of moralizing component to it. It simply associated certain personality traits with certain beliefs. Your points about homosexuality, polyamory etc are completely irrelevant to the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 03:27 PM
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Here is another article that wants to link sex and gender with "power" and "entitlement" and the truth is, there is no link Here's a study that shows strong evidence for something, but the truth is here's my opinion based on nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 03:25 PM
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Given that TRPers deliberately try to take on narcissistic personality traits ("Dark Triad"), this seems pretty reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 03:25 PM
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The thing is, you as a male not in jail aren't at more risk of rape simply because men in jail get raped. The difference here is those rape stats for women come from women living their ordinary lives. Also a lot of the rape culture/patriarchy stuff doesn't come just straight from rape stats, but rather things like the fact that marital rape wasn't even illegal for most of our history, women get victim blamed for being raped, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 02:03 PM
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This aren't claims their ideas. And we don't know. All we know is that the legalization of prostitution is cultural. In that case your argument is far too broad. Unless you are talking about a place in particular your post is masturbatory exercise. So far though you are wrong in 100% of places that have done it in real life. I don't know what cultural differences you think would effect different outcomes elsewhere. We also know that legalized prostitution in Nevada had no testing for till the 80…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 10:23 PM
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Your opinion is based off of factually wrong premises. You are making empirical claims about how things would work, while we have real places that have done this and we know objectively what the outcomes are. Essentially, once person brings up case that they were raped, but then someone says they paid for it, that would affect all rape laws in that district. This has not happened anywhere with legalized prostitution. If you had some examples this might be compelling. A lot of people talk about d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 10:13 PM
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There is nothing in Jesus's statement, "everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart", that applies only to married people. But we're just arguing over semantics at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 10:03 PM
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The Biblical definition of adultery is sex outside of marriage. In Jesus' words, even looking at someone with lust is adultery. My point is simply that the other person's argument that anti-prostitution laws are, at least in part, religious based is both theologically and historically sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 09:58 PM
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The fact that under Christ she could still be saved and go to heaven doesn't mean they are OK with prostitution. There's the whole "love the sinner, hate the sin" thing. Jesus himself spoke very harshly against, and just about every sect of Christianity is very much against, adultery by any means. Prostitution is by definition adultery. Prostitution has been criminalized in nearly every predominantly Christian society since it became a major religion. For example in John 8 when the men bring a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 08:59 PM
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Your edit still kinda got it wrong. :-P 1969 is when the Catholic Church officially recognized that Mary was not a prostitute, upending a teaching that had lasted for 1300 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 08:51 PM
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Did you read that article? It supports what I just said. Powerful as this image may be, it is not the story of Mary Magdalene. Mary Magdalene is mentioned in each of the four gospels in the New Testament, but not once does it mention that she was a prostitute or a sinner. At some point Mary Magdalene became confused with two other women in the Bible: Mary, the sister of Martha, and the unnamed sinner from Luke's gospel (7:36-50) both of whom wash Jesus' feet with their hair. In the 6th Century, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 08:49 PM
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You realize that Marry Magdalene was a prostitute? There is no Biblical basis for this, this was made up in the medieval era.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 08:46 PM
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Let me completely ignore the topic and shoehorn in my opinion real quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 08:45 PM
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By that logic, everything is amoral though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 06:46 PM
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Some specific strategies are immoral. Right. What I'm saying is the "sexual strategy is amoral" trope is used to avoid acknowledging that this is the case. Anytime anybody questions the ethics or morality of a particular "strategy", that is the response that is given.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 06:08 PM
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Arguing their philosophy with others doesn't amount to acknowledging its flaws. The folks I see in PPD arguing about this still maintain the "amoral" stance and will absolutely not admit that the strategies are immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 06:02 PM
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I know RP is "amoral" and maybe they can justify doing this in a materialistic individualistic western culture. but this sort of behavior is pretty scummy outside of that context. Nope, it's scummy everywhere. The "amoral" claim is just a lazy way to avoid acknowledging how deeply immoral the philosophy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 03:07 PM
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That kid would have a diagnosed mental disorder that is abnormal for the human population.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 12:28 PM
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I don't know for sure, but all the information we've been presented points that direction. I'm not the one trying desperately to fit their relationship into an ideological box.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 11:37 PM
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I don't know why y'all frame literally every human interaction as sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 08:29 PM
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The argument she is making is "he has all these BP qualities but I still find him attractive". She has also stated in various comments that they have a healthy sex life and she finds him very sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 06:34 PM
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Within months of red pill, I lost my naivity on how slutty a girl could be. I don't think I could settle with vanilla the rest of my life. Not sure why you are conflating non-vanilla sex with being "red pill".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 04:42 PM
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Nowhere in your description do you say anything that could be interpreted as he been sexually attractive in your eyes. So how is your relationship a argument for BP attraction. Why do you assume they do not have a healthy sexual relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 04:39 PM
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But otherwise, spot on. I'm glad you agree that you are the exact caricature painted up until that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 04:36 PM
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In my experience it's 80/20. Where 80% of the women I meet prefer a man who with those leadership qualities that RP promotes. Then there's that 20% where the women prefer the men be more submissive. You left out all the people who prefer to have egalitarian partnerships without anybody being primarily dominant or submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 04:32 PM
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Do you really go about your day thinking "how can I get this woman to have sex with me" for every stranger you see in public, such that you can't stop yourself from catcalling women on the street?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 03:28 PM
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I know these are not the only two options, so don't call false dichotomy. I know I'm about to present a false dichotomy, but please respond to it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 03:27 PM
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A more apt analogy I would think is subscribing to the Truett Cathy Christian Newsletter would make you a homophobic Christian. TRP is an ideological subreddit, with content and views curated by the moderators. Choosing to subscribe to an ideological forum is quite different from choosing to eat at a chicken restaurant. The views of the moderators of an ideological subreddit are far more relevant than the religious views of the owners of a chicken restaurant. In any case I'm not trying to argue …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:29 PM
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It doesn't by itself, but the fact that it's also highly upvoted by the community lends further credence. Mods aren't elected by majority vote, but the TRP mods heavily curate the content in that sub, so being subscribed to it is an acceptance of the content that the mods curate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:15 PM
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Except this post was commented on by a moderator saying how great it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:05 PM
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If something that is heavily upvoted, agreed with by moderators, and given endorsed contributor status isn't indicative of the general attitude of a subreddit, I wonder what possibly could be? Seems to me if this can't be extrapolated to be indicative of a subreddit then nothing can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 06:36 PM
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If it weren't for a law governing the age of consent, would your sense of decency or morality be the same? I took this to mean you were implicitly arguing that they wouldn't be. I'm saying they would be the same, for any given culture (not necessarily the same across cultures).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:11 PM
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Agreed morality is not black and white (in most cases), but I disagree with your assertion that morality and sense of decency would be different in a culture that set up laws this way. The laws are a reflection of the culture, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:37 PM
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I'll grant you that point. However I still maintain that the term "woman" is based on the social definition of adulthood and not the biological one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:27 PM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:25 PM
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But without those laws, there is only our animal instinct ingrained in our DNA This is pseudoscientific bullshit. Our advanced minds and highly social organization are what drove our evolutionary success. To ignore those factors and focus solely on what your penis does is ridiculous. There was even a recent study published that showed lower levels of testosterone allowed for higher-minded thinking to overcome those other animalistic urges.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:23 PM
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Yes, because that sense of decency and morality is where those laws came from. You've got it backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:20 PM
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At no point in his comment did he ever say or even imply that we should go out and try to have sex with them. for short term enjoyment, fuck the youngest girls your country or state allows. That seems to imply that, if there were no laws barring such, that you should go out and have sex with girls as soon as they start menstruating. The only limit he mentions is the law, not a sense of decency, morality, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:03 PM
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True, but when something has nearly 100 upvotes, is the top comment, and has been given "endorsed contributor" status, I think it's fair to say that represents a popular opinion among the community. This isn't some random buried post that I dug up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:58 PM
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Can you explain the difference between adult female and female who has begun menstruating? Because in the rest of the animal kingdom, menstruation is a pretty big indicator of the jump from adolescence to adulthood/breeding age. Sure. "Adult" is a legal concept where we recognize that somebody has reached the age of majority. In the animal kingdom they do not have complex verbal communication where words carry specific meanings, so that is pretty much irrelevant. Our conception of adulthood is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:57 PM
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That's generally considered more acceptable than a grown adult doing the same thing, because as a 13 year old there isn't a significant power dynamic you can use to unfairly influence her decisions. It's basically not seen as taking advantage of somebody else's naivete and impressionability.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:46 PM
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What about the fact that the poster suggests having sex with girls as young as legally possible? Does that not imply that it's morally acceptable to have sex with girls even younger, only that you shouldn't because of legal risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:24 PM
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As the poster I linked to states, "pedophile" means they are attracted to pre-pubescent girls, which by definition this does not apply to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:17 PM
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It's not vague at all, it has a very clear and obvious meaning. The post is also about at what age it's acceptable to have sex with somebody, which is why the poster explicitly recommends: for short term enjoyment, fuck the youngest girls your country or state allows That's not just about "attraction". If countries/states didn't have age of consent laws, I wonder what age he would recommend people have sex with girls at?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:15 PM
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I didn't call anyone a pedo, but OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:14 PM
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Can you elucidate what you mean exactly? Well, sure. I thought my statement was pretty clear, but what I mean is it seems that this poster, and all the people upvoting/commenting in agreement, believe that it is morally acceptable to have sex with a girl once she begins menstruating. I base this off of the author's other statements, including: just-developed (or in the process) is the biological prime for short term enjoyment, fuck the youngest girls your country or state allows (implying it's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:11 PM
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Do you disagree with this statement? Or is it accurate? I know i am supposed to be in shock....(oh lordy my) similar to when Eminem says 'if there's grass on the field, play ball!", which would actually likely be more inaccurate and shocking. Though, removing your shock, could you say it's objectively pretty much true? I mean, I know some people will try to circumnavigate jump to survivability and blah blah blah and somehow manage to ignore the validity of the statement. Physically yes most girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:49 PM
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Again: He said "the best looking pussy is 14-22", not that 14 is the earliest age at which it's acceptable to have sex with a girl. I have no concern for what age that poster in particular finds most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:47 PM
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He said "the best looking pussy is 14-22", not that 14 is the earliest age at which it's acceptable to have sex with a girl. I'm not talking about what age people prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:46 PM
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And since when has a man's brain penis and hormones stopped to consider a girl's mental development when it comes to pure physical attraction. I'm not talking about pure physical attraction, I'm talking about actually having sex with somebody. It's possible for your brain to overcome your penis. I don't really care about victimless thoughts. The post I linked to is talking about actually having sex with people. You know, "old enough to breed".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:40 PM
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It was included in the post because I think the poster believes it has some truth value to it. It is used to support the overall argument being made. Another poster in this thread straight up stated that it's "the truth". That's why I logically deduced from it. I don't know why y'all seem to think that particular sentence was put in there for no reason whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:38 PM
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He said "the best looking pussy is 14-22", not that 14 is the earliest age at which it's acceptable to have sex with a girl. I'm not asking "why do you like 12 year olds", I'm asking "do you really think it's OK to have sex with 12 year olds?" In other words, do you disagree with the statement: old enough to bleed, old enough to breed ? It's a very simple question, really. Weird that so far only 2 people have actually responded to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:35 PM
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He said "the best looking pussy is 14-22", not that 14 is the earliest age at which it's acceptable to have sex with a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:33 PM
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I don't know why you think you get to just make up your own definitions for words and act like you've won an argument based on your own made up definitions. "Adult" is a term with a complete legal definition. You even linked the dictionary definition of "woman" which did not include a single thing about capability of bearing offspring. Like, you linked something which contradicted your own argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:31 PM
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You don't see how I arrived at that conclusion based on their exact words? If it's an empty phrase, then why was it used?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:26 PM
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Woman, female, lady are nouns referring to adult human beings adult human beings adult There you go. "Adult" does not mean "after first menstruation".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:26 PM
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So, again, you picked an age you felt was appropriate to describe someone else's position, even though it wasn't what they said. That's what I told you in my first post. You put words in someone else's mouth and then asked "Do you really think that?". The answer is no. You created a Strawman, and then immediately claimed moral victory. It's a completely logical deduction from what they said. "Old enough to bleed" = age of first menstruation. The average age of first menstruation is 12. How is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:25 PM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:15 PM
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Biologically: She is considered a woman the second she menstruates No, "woman" is a human concept. There is no biological definition of "womanhood". Mind and emotions are not separate from this discussion at all. Generally "woman" means "adult female", not "female who has begun menstruating". "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" is anything other than 1.) The truth 2.) A joke to get laughs in the locker room Did you make a typo here? These two things seem contradictory. If it's "the truth"…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:14 PM
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Why is it a bad title? It's straight and to the point, and derived directly from a highly upvoted TRP post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:07 PM
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Someone who has finished mental development I would say. It's not just about having breasts and menstruating. There are still significant changes happening in the body, and especially the brain, up until the late teens/early 20s. Statutory rape laws are mostly based on the concept of informed consent. The idea is that under a certain age, adolescent brains are not sufficiently developed to make informed consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:04 PM
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Notably the only responses I've gotten from TRPers so far are completely ducking and weaving the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:59 PM
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Why does age matter to you, only when it serves women? Not sure what you're talking about, these laws apply to women having sex with underage boys too. 35 is just a older 28 for most women. It's not about the sheer difference in age, it's about mental maturity and informed consent. Most people generally agree the adolescent brain is not developed enough to give informed adult consent when someone is 12 years old. And outside of the legal frame work which is completely arbitrary Do you really thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:57 PM
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So you disagree with the author's assertion: Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed ? I picked out age 12 from the fact that age 12 is the average age girls start to menstruate. According to this, that means they are old enough to have sex with. I don't feel I am dishonestly portraying their position, I am using direct quotes from their post and asking if you really believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:44 PM
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IMO it's self-evident that the 16/18 age limit is a social construct -- all laws are social constructs by definition. That ignores whether or not those social constructs are reasonable and good to have for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:36 PM
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According to their backwards logic, more people opposed to it = more people who know it's true deep down. Obviously we wouldn't find this to be ridiculous and offensive if we didn't secretly agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:31 PM
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To be fair he said "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed". He said "the best looking pussy is 14-22", not that 14 is the earliest age at which it's acceptable to have sex with a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:28 PM
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It's got endorsed contributor status and over 80 upvotes, I don't see how one could argue that's not indicative of the general attitude of the sub. It's the top comment in the thread by far.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:19 PM
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pamflets
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 12:50 PM
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Again, you presented a false dilemma, so that wouldn't actually be my choice. But yes, generally speaking I would rather forego my wants and desires than choose to abuse and manipulate other people to fulfill those desires. You're basically saying "the ends justify the means" -- which I can agree with in some circumstances, but not this one. I don't plan on reading that book as I already am in a happy and fulfilling relationship with plenty of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:41 PM
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By the way, I have been "dread gamed" before (though I'm certain that wasn't the terminology being used). It was successful for a short time at making me want more attention from my partner, and trying to please him, but it certainly didn't make me happy. It made me anxious and resentful, and made me consider him an emotionally abusive and manipulating bastard. Didn't really work out so well after a couple weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:29 PM
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If 2 includes deliberately causing mental anguish for my partner in an attempt to manipulate her into having sex with me, then I would choose 1, easily. But this is very clearly a false dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 05:25 PM
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What specific scenario? What is it that I want, and how unhappy does it make them? Also, what actions would I be taking?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:46 PM
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That's much too vague to respond to, ignoring that it's an obvious false dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:43 PM
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Manipulating people into doing what you want ≠ them being happy Hostage victims displaying Stockholm Syndrome also do what their abusers want, that doesn't mean that they are healthy and happy. "Dread game" works by causing significant anxiety in your target. They do what you want to try to resolve that anxiety, not because you've made them happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 04:28 PM
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They are talking about the reality of TRPers where posts saying women like to be raped, that we should disrespect all women, that marital rape doesn't exist, that women are illogical, etc all get massively upvoted and circlejerked by the TRP community. For example, the post currently on the TRP front page with over 200 upvotes containing a wonderful video titled "Why we hate women".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 12:59 PM
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I don't know, why have you? Because most of TRP is just bitching about feminism, with a smaller amount dedicated to figuring out how to bang bitches and leave them by the wayside. I'm fairly certain that most women do not like to be "dread gamed", nor does it make them happy. As TRPers always so, it is amoral and about sexual strategy, not making women happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 12:55 PM
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Free speech amirite
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 12:30 PM
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That was a quote from my previous comment. I said the US because Stormfront is a US-centric website. I'm not "moving the goal posts", that was the original goal post.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:37 PM
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in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 07:57 PM
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I assume you agree that scientific polling can be an accurate measure in general (for example, political polling that allows folks like Nate Silver to correctly predict the outcome of presidential and Senate elections with 100% accuracy). I'm sure there is still a faction of people who lie nonetheless, but there have been some studies that have shown that women will respond with significantly higher numbers to anonymous computer questionnaires than they will face-to-face interviews. Source So we…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 07:07 PM
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Because if you scroll down in my link you will see "empathy" explicitly cited as one of the metrics in measuring EI. He apparently did not read past "the first fucking line". I accused him of redefining it based on his own admission: women have better Emotional Intelligence as I've described it Not based on how it's actually defined and measured.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:54 PM
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Your opinion is at odds with the scientific consensus on the issue. Anonymous polling is generally considered to be quite accurate, assuming a proper sample size and selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:51 PM
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Short of putting video cameras in everyone's bedrooms, it's the best we've got. I'd be interested to see evidence that women lie more often in anonymous polling, but I'm not aware of any that exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:44 PM
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That's why they rely on anonymous methodology. People are more likely to tell the truth when it is anonymized. People report cheating in significantly higher numbers when asked by an anonymous computer poll than when they are asked face-to-face by an actual person. In any event, a considerable number of people aren't lying about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:41 PM
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TRPers sure have a weird trend of redefining words to mean whatever they want them to mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:34 PM
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Dude "manosphere" shit was going around on Usenet before the WWW was even a thing. alt.mens-rights for example was started in 1992 and alt.men.support was started in 1998 (the latter after the WWW of course) What you just described was the growth of the internet in general. You can claim any issue is growing if you measure it by the number of internet participants over the past 15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:31 PM
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Empathy isn't required for emotional intelligence, as my examples demonstrate. You've done nothing but posit the opposite. Because you are using your own definition of "emotional intelligence". Fuck dude, read the wiki article "Empathy" is an explicit component of the most common EI model out there. The "ability model" doesn't use the term "empathy" explicitly, but it measures things which can be rightly described as empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:19 PM
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This assertion is then contradicted by other posts in this thread claiming women have higher emotional intelligence, given that being able to see from another person's perspective is a central tenet of high EQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:51 PM
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Women don't care about their image? I did not state that, I said the assertion that women care about how other people view them is contradictory to the view of women as solipsists. Solipsism means that people believe they are the only person who exists. If that is true, then a person who is a solipsist would not care about what other people think. I am pointing out how contradictory TRP "theories" are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:48 PM
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The best measurements, as far as I know, are anonymous scientific polling where people self-report their own experiences. Like for that to be true, single women would have to overwhelmingly choose to sleep with married men. Not sure why it would have to be "overwhelming". The studies show about 10% of men cheat on their spouses each year. That can be with other married women, or with single women. There don't need to be an "overwhelming" amount of single women boning married guys to get up to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:47 PM
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http://www.yourtango.com/201172881/women-more-likely-cheat-men-heres-why This website cites itself, and in turn has an uncited reference to The Journal of Couple and Relationship Therapy. I'm unable to track down an actual original source, but this one says the study found men actually do cheat more when you define cheating as sexual affairs, but women "emotionally cheat" more often. I'm unable to find an actual original source for this though, so I'm skeptical as to whether or not it even exist…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:17 PM
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Something to consider is the fact that women initiate divorce more frequently I would think this is mostly explained by the fact that men cheat more frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 05:05 PM
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I assume you've got no retort for the fact that we're growing. You have offered 0 evidence that this is growing. Linking to a book on Amazon doesn't exactly illustrate your claim. The fact that there are some internet bastions with growing numbers of users doesn't mean anything. Stormfront has increasing users, too. That doesn't mean white supremacy is a growing political movement in the US. In reality most people think you guys are fucking jokes, which is why even the TRP moderators suggests us…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:54 PM
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Is TRP pro-censorship because their mods routinely delete comments and ban users?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:51 PM
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If women are solipsistic, why would they care about their image? Those other people don't really exist, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:49 PM
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Empathy is a primary component of emotional intelligence...again, you are using terms inconsistent with what they actually mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:45 PM
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As I stated earlier, empathy is able to understand people from their perspective, not your own. You are using terms inconsistent with what they actually mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:04 PM
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If EQ is purely rational like you suggest (cause and effect) then men should be better at it, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:39 PM
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But understanding the reasons for other people's emotions through their lens is an integral part of empathy, and in turn EQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:12 PM
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Women are a lot better at showing charity then men are. If women are solipsistic, why would they provide charity for others?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 01:51 PM
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Higher sociality. Higher EQ. How does this jive with the view that all women are solipsistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 01:50 PM
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Whoa, almost like those traits aren't relegated to one gender or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 06:17 PM
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TRP never talks about anything else, just self-improvement!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 04:40 PM
2

How is that possible? Women are irrational, as we all know.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 02:49 PM
2

What does that mean, more specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 02:48 PM
2

Not inferior, just different! You know, separate but equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 02:46 PM
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how would this disprove any trp theory on attracting women? Nobody said it did, that's not the topic of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 02:42 PM
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The sub calls those things "male traits".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 02:38 PM
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The only things they are good for are sex and cooking for me = inferior
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 02:37 PM
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Also, girls already do it. So fairs fair. That's not how morality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:43 PM
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"Nobody should treat other people this way" I did exactly that in the post you just responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 11:07 PM
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Nothing in my comment was specifically about women, but nice try on the "I'm not sexist, you are" thing (even without me accusing you of such). Fact is more and more "entry level" jobs now require people with experience, due to a surplus of experienced labor out there, while at the same time being prejudiced against older workers. Being 35 with no job experience and no education, it is very hard to make a decent living. Not that many well-paying jobs out there that hire people without experience…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 09:47 PM
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Having a father who went through a divorce, and a close female friend who was raped in college and I helped emotionally nurse back to health, frankly, it seems about the same. "Having not personally experienced either of these things, let me share my opinion on both of them."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 09:02 PM
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start a career in your mid to late 30's after the kids are grown, and still be able to put in your 30 years as a slave to your corporate master. How successful do you think a person in their late 30s with no work experience will be in a job search?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 09:00 PM
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It's always a gross caricature, as if some stray tumblr blogs are representative of a vast underground empire.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 08:58 PM
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I don't look for purpose, I try to do things which give my life purpose. In a relationship I look for someone who helps me grow to be a better person, and who has a drive for them to grow as a person as well. And I want a partner who makes me feel good when I am helping them in their own ventures. I want a partner who shares my values and interests and who complements me on areas where we differ. Thankfully I am in a wonderful and loving relationship where I am truly happy in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 08:56 PM
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There are tons of published studies on racial differences in IQ, educational outcomes, and all different things. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 08:53 PM
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BUT THEY DO!!!!!!! All the time, every day. Here's the key difference I'm seeing in this debate. One side is saying "Nobody should treat other people this way", while the other side is saying "It's OK for men to treat women this way, but not OK for women to do it."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 08:48 PM
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There is no shortage of criticism for rags like Cosmo in feminist circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 08:44 PM
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Seems pretty obvious to me, but I'm sure the TRP folks will find a way to hamster it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 08:06 PM
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Maybe if you couch all your arguments in rhetorical questions, you'll never get called on your bullshit!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 12:30 AM
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If you're talking about TBP particularly you should have asked: I'm asking you if you believe people are allowed to say certain things in /r/thebluepill Your wording makes it sound like you're asking about the world in general. To answer that question, I think the moderators should be able to delete whatever content they feel like deleting. I certainly don't think it's unreasonable to delete TRP-style comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 09:30 PM
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nope. I'm asking you if you believe people are allowed to say certain things. Of course people are allowed to say certain things. That does not mean that right extends to every private forum. This is a common misunderstanding of how free speech works. You have the right to say and think whatever you want -- but that doesn't mean that you get to do it in every private place you want to. reddit is a private site and moderators have the ability to delete comments if they want to. This does not mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 08:52 PM
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My great cod I could slap you right now. How about interpret things correctly? Hmmm? I interpreted it perfectly based on what you wrote. Surely there has to be more to this philosophy Why would somebody reasonably interpret this to mean something other than "surely"? This is like writing "the sky is green" and then getting upset when people correct you, and then telling them they need to interpret your writing better because obviously you meant blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 08:46 PM
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You are being a twat. I absolutely acknowledged stormfront by saying I DONT KNOW WHAT IT WAS ABOUT. Maybe you should have looked it up to see why my analogy was so good? I used that example because it's an obviously terrible ideology. The fact that there are 300,000 people on that forum doesn't mean it has any "merit". Don't try and move the goal posts because your not scoring That's not what I'm doing...? Final verdict: You misconstrued my post and decided to point out the fallacy of it. As evi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 08:34 PM
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R/conspiracy is not about any particular conspiracy. It's literally any and all. Thus attracting many diverse conspiracy nuts. Hence why I also brought up Stormfront, a website dedicated specifically to white supremacy. Though it is convenient you just ignored that part, seeing as it preempted your entire argument. Your justifications are crap. The fact that you used weasel words instead of making concrete claims yourself doesn't change that. Your wording, by the way, was: Surely there has to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 08:12 PM
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There is an ENTIRE sub reddit about this (over 63k members and just one of many tangent subs) AND another one blatantly mocking it /r/conspiracy has four times as many subscribers. I guess they must be onto something with all the Jews infiltrating everything. Stormfront has nearly 300,000 -- guess there must be some merit to white supremacy. I think you missed my point. To get all technical, this is your fallacy here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 07:56 PM
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But wait, there's more: if people are allowed to voice them, and if even blue pillers hold them, then who exactly are they making fun of in the blue pill? Is it not, "lol here's a community that allows these opinions to be expressed lol!!!" The error in your logic here is you think deleted comments are indicative of the general beliefs of a subreddit with >10,000 people on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 07:29 PM
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Is it your position that people should not be allowed to hold those views? Obviously not. Why is deleting them better than allowing the community to downvote them? Depends what the purpose of the community is, I would say. TBP is obviously not a subreddit meant for debating these sorts of ideas, so I think it's appropriate to delete them. In any case, my point was to illustrate that things are different, in contrast to the title of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 07:14 PM
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Surely there has to be more to this philosophy seeing if there is an entire sub Reddit devoted to the debate about it? This is such a shitty argument. There are people who spend time refuting all kinds of bogus ideologies. The fact that there are people who debate yours doesn't mean that it is any more legitimate. By this logic, homeopathy, crystal energy healing and 9/11 conspiracy theories must have some truth to them because /r/skeptic exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 07:04 PM
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The comments are usually deleted. This is very different. The fact that these comments are deleted in one case, whereas in the other case they are lauded and given Endorsed Contributor status, is very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 03:11 PM
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expecting a TRP guy to actually have a grasp of the science they pretend bolsters their bullshit opinions
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 01:40 PM
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they don't mean it when they say yes Not sure where you got this part from.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:55 PM
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I think that illustrates why we should err on the side of caution, with "no" meaning "no".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 03:30 PM
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Anybody who has flatly said "no" has meant it in my experience. As a man, every time I have said "no" I have meant it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 04:26 AM
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Famous influential people were part of that Twitter thing too
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 01:29 AM
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Rolling Stone has an article today about the Jeff Bridges AMA. Major media outlets do stuff on reddit all the time. You also haven't answered why you find it so depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:49 PM
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Dude Obama did an AMA on reddit. It was all over the place when that happened. The whole creepshots fiasco was on Anderson Cooper and a lot of other stuff too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:42 PM
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There have been numerous articles in big publications focused on reddit or things that have happened on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:19 PM
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On the topic of going overboard, check out the "women want to be raped" post currently on the TRP front page with nearly 100 upvotes. But remember, it's a self-improvement sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 06:15 PM
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Which is kind of similar to TRP. "oh no you really misunderstood what TRP is, it's about self-improvement" You could have a front page TRP post that's been 10 times gilded by an endorsed contributor and 2000 upvotes saying nothing but "men are inherently superior to women" and that would still be the response.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 04:22 PM
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Why? They are real and relevant movements in our culture. It would be irresponsible not to cover new events.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 04:22 PM
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I know what you mean. I'm an admitted liberal and prolific progressive activist (managed a few successful campaigns, appointed to state democratic committee, elected national delegate, have worked with a lot of issues-based stuff too) but on some issues I have experienced what you are talking about. In fact earlier today I was debating with some friends about SNAP (food stamp) policy, and was arguing in favor of more stringent restrictions on what foods can be purchased based on nutritional valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 03:34 AM
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Rape is forcing sex on someone without their consent.This is why the second dictionary entry is: any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person. The term comes from the Old French word rapir which basically means to seize or take something by force. This is where the meaning of the word comes from, not American law. This has always been the meaning of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 02:24 AM
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Given the absolutely abysmal state of education in our impoverished communities, I do not share your pessimistic view. Personal decisions do have a huge impact, but you have to look more deeply into why people make the decisions they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 02:22 AM
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I would think the focus should then be on making sure opportunity for upwards advancement is not so skewed based on upbringing. Personally, I think this is good policy regardless of human reproductive future.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:52 PM
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Yeah, try checking the next dictionary entry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:48 PM
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They are not arguing that this should be a law, so no this is not totalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:48 PM
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Sorry bro, the meaning of words isn't derived by law.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:50 PM
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You realize that some people are still religious, that marriage is rooted in religion, and that marriage is a legal contract. So, yes, you just stated some stuff and acted outraged by it. I'm sorry you don't like the history of marriage. Maybe call the pope? Yes, I'm aware. Not sure what your point is. Yes, marriage is a legal contract, and nowhere does a wife agree to allow her husband to have sex with her even when she is unwilling. So, again, the contract you are speaking of is a fabrication.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:26 PM
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It took me literally like 45 seconds to load through about 10 pages and search for -1, -2, -3 etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:13 PM
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How do you know why they're buying PUA literature? I can't know for 100% sure, but I make that conclusion for the same reason I conclude people buying "Microsoft Office for Dummies" are trying to learn how to use Microsoft Office. That's the point of what they are purchasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:11 PM
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understands that the law didn't prevent unwilling sex with a spouse as a standard part of the marriage contract until the 1970s (ending approximately 1993)? Why do you call it "unwilling sex"? It's rape. It's rape regardless of what the law said about it. And there's no contract that a woman signed saying "you can fuck me whenever you want and I can never refuse". That was never part of any contract. And your "Biblical marriage" "contract" included things like a man paying shekels of silver to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:06 PM
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Do you think people are really buying PUA literature so they can try to have successful long-term relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:00 PM
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"A ton"? That's weird because I just went through the last month of his posting history, and could not find one post that was downvoted in TRP. If I tallied up the comment karma from those posts it would be at least 1000. What I've learned in this thread from TRPers: A compiled list of hundreds of heavily upvoted comments from moderators and endorsed contributors of a sub? That's cherry-picking and really isn't indicative of anything. A few comments maybe got downvoted a little bit a few months …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 07:58 PM
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Please explain to me what the point of having "endorsed contributors" and upvotes are. I mean it literally says their viewpoints are endorsed by the sub. Why would a reasonable person not conclude that massively upvoted posts by members who are endorsed by the community is indicative of the community? What could possibly be more indicative of the general attitude of a community than posts which are massively upvoted, and made by people who are "endorsed" by the community? If that's not it, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 07:50 PM
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"Someone disagreeing with me is literally totalitarian fascist thought police"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 07:47 PM
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Also this question will be easily criticized when compared to extremist feminists. I think the point of the OP is this can't really be considered "extremist" for TRP when it comes from a moderator and is routinely upvoted to the sky.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 07:45 PM
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Yeah, they're generally people who have impossibly high expectations, or completely socially inept (which following a shitty script doesn't help). In the end they still aren't getting laid, but now they hate women for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 07:44 PM
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Except that my personal anecdote wasn't used to reinforce Yeah, it totally was. You made a claim and then used an anecdote to reinforce it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 06:51 PM
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Who do you think is buying all this stuff? Guys who still aren't getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 06:23 PM
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So the women with some of the best genes are dying out. This assumes that these women were exceptional because of their genes, which is an unsupported assumption. People aren't genetically poor and uneducated, as you mention in your later post.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 03:22 PM
1

Why not both?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 02:07 PM
-1

lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/14 03:59 AM
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It's a le funny may-may name combining a shitty old meme (Chuck Testa) with reddit's love for anything regarding Tesla.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 05:15 PM
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I'd be surprised if that poster has actually read The Second Sex, The Feminine Mystique, etc, rather than just name dropping and having perhaps read a Wikipedia summary.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 05:07 PM
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Perceived promiscuity by other people, not actual experience. This trait was seen as being sexually unattractive to women in the study. (Note: this entire study also goes against supposed "TRP 101" that you should study behavior and not what women claim to be attracted to)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 03:41 PM
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Wonder if you even read that first study: To summarize, highly aggressive targets were perceived to be relatively less likable, less stable, more promiscuous, and less desirable as spouses. These effects did not differ as a function of the target's sex This is directly contradictory to your later claim that aggressiveness leads to dating success. Which really supports the point made earlier that TRP folks just believe in the things that confirm their biases and discard anything that doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 02:57 PM
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Yeah, you've figured out the secret cabal, where feminism is simultaneously a movement with an official doctrinal canon and a movement of "hebephrenics" who don't have anything in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 01:55 PM
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Firstly, you can put the thesaurus down. Your posts are almost as bad as reading Judith Butler. Secondly, the definition in the OP is the most accurate definition and most broadly defines the feminist movement, despite the fact that you can pick out some authors who don't fit that mold. Go on the NOW website and check out what issues they are advocating for. Actual political action and groups have overwhelmingly fit in with the definition given in the OP here. Specifically, the actions taken und…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 01:18 PM
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