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I said this elsewhere, but: Most women, and indeed most feminists, already know this. Most just don’t care, or won’t admit it, while some are even gleeful about it. The only way this gets fixed is when enough moms watch their sons’ lives go to shit. Then, miraculously, this will get addressed. Not one fucking moment sooner than that either. In a male dominated society like Iran, it took the fathers getting angry for change to occur. They’re now in the midst of a mini-revolution. The women tried …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/23 11:15 PM
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It will take enough moms seeing their sons lives turn to shit for this to turn a corner. Just wait about 10-15 more years. It’ll be the moms who fix this, not us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/23 11:59 PM
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Yep. I’ve taken a milktoast approach with heavy caveats on these issues and still got a mountain of shit for it. I asked in r/askfeminists if they cared about the male education gap the way they cared about it in reverse 50 years ago, and what they thought should be done about it. All venom, minimizing, deflection, name-calling, blaming the patriarchy, shitting on boys generally, and source-discrediting garbage. I don’t try anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/23 11:58 PM
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Let’s get real- we are all simps on some level. No one I know would call me that word, but much of my life is consumed with making myself attractive to my wife and other women, keeping my daughter happy, not offending and strategically making friends with women at work (IT field where they’re rare and highly prized/promoted). Most of my hygiene that isn’t medically advised like bathing and tooth care is in the service of not grossing women out. Any clothes that aren’t shorts and sneakers… look a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/23 11:47 PM
1

Get your shit together, Bob the ATC guy!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/23 11:27 PM
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I see where you’re trying to go here, but I fear it might be framed by a foundational error that feminists, and women generally, fall prey to: Men are emotionally defective women. It’s not true. We’re just a little different than women, and just as the emotional lives of men shouldn’t have been the standard by which women were judged, the opposite being foisted on us lately is also horseshit. If society has molded us as men in any meaningful way beyond what our simian cousins are, it is only in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/23 07:28 PM
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I’m 50. I cried in front of two girls in my life. Not “grandma died” crying but frustration type of tears. Both dropped me quickly. Granted this was in the 1990s. Maybe it’s better now, but maybe it isn’t. Thankfully, I’m not too teary, and very much married.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/23 11:22 PM
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It all falls along the same line…. We must validate their feelings. They get to clown ours. But they also want us to express them. Well, not their man but men somewhere. Cry in front of your girl and then try to get her naked within the next __days. You can’t. She might just be gone entirely. So, ladies, pick what you want. Stoic and strong, or the other thing. We can’t be both.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/23 06:37 PM
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This is my exact worry. Very few things are more dangerous to a society that hordes of listless young man with no direction, and no sense of inner value nor purpose. Someone will always step in to give them purpose, and it’s rarely a good person doing that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/23 10:56 AM
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There’s the thing: I don’t have problems like that. I just worry about others and especially growing boys, and super-especially society at large.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/23 04:38 PM
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Having these conversations with my mother and sister lately has been eye-opening. Here are the common responses I get: - that can’t be true. - I hope that’s not true. - we would never (they do). - well when I was working (she’s 74) - but we have so many problems you men don’t. - that doesn’t count. - what’s your problem with women? And they know I was that guy standing up for women in 1980, 90, 2000… but they still think I have a problem with women. I do not. I have the same problem I had when I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/23 01:36 PM
1

Yeah. “Endless”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 04:07 PM
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Agreed, and the reason most homeless are men is because our accountability is endless, there’s is pregnancy and raising young children. That’s it. That’s all. And they get help there too
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 11:57 AM
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You can just say these things, but it doesn’t make them true. Traditional roles (however you like or dislike how they are represented now) mapped pretty damned close to our simian cousins. That’s not because of human imagination, and it damned sure wasn’t from non-existent prehistoric nor bronze aged anthropologists who dictated societal roles. The only major sea change in those roles was the introduction of agriculture. Even then, gender roles weren’t created by it, but adapted to it. Not by mu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 06:51 PM
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I’m not hopeless because hope doesn’t factor into any of this. Also, be very careful how much you want to distinguish and separate these two- Domain: Eukarya. Kingdom: Animalia. Phylum: Chordata. Class: Mammalia. Order: Primates. Family: Hominidae. Genus: Pan. Species: Pan troglodytes From- Same same same same same same Genus: Homo Species Sapien WE ARE ANIMALS. APES. PERIOD. FULL STOP. Much of what we think of as our free and independent thoughts are merely a justification engine for our instin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 06:02 PM
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We shouldn’t break down anyone’s value to a single metric, and everyone is a little different in what they bring to the table. Sure. But there’s something on the left I’ve noticed lately that used to be the Provence of the right only- ignoring facts or science where it suits our narrative to do so. We can claim all day that gender norms are purely societal, except science shows otherwise over and over again. While women will also make this claim where it suits them, their mate choices tell the t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 04:37 PM
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Sigh… how so?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 12:40 AM
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There is an exception to just about anything if you look hard enough. I think we can make an exception for those with major disabilities?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 11:57 PM
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Anyone with any sense knows that there are biologically derived norms that accurately describe the average individual from each sex. Cultures build upon these and accentuate them at scale as well. However, each human has their own set of traits, and is their own person. I’m also a “man’s man” as the saying goes. I’m a veteran, I lift weights, I used to get into fist fights, I have a deep booming voice, I’m an engineer, etc. I also love art. I’m creative and emotional by nature, and have input wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 11:21 PM
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Same
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/23 04:39 PM
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My thoughts exactly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/23 04:38 PM
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Vercingettorix.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/23 02:19 PM
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You’d have to engage with the underlying philosophy behind this and related movements. When it is applied as an oppression hierarchy, it’s doing exactly what it intended, and men -especially straight white men- are purposefully at the bottom of said hierarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/23 07:18 PM
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True. I feel ya, but I don’t love the world class female athlete up against 53 year old male software engineer argument much. I get your point though. Truly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 05:59 PM
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Not what I’ve seen, until they lose the argument for them getting drafted too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 05:22 PM
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Apples to oranges. Give her, an elite athlete, 6 months of training, and an average draft-age dude 6 months of training… and he’s likely better equipped to fight a war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 05:21 PM
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What makes you say this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/23 06:34 PM
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Agreed. 100%
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/23 12:55 AM
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Tate is objectively awful and objectively a misogynist. But not all Red Pill content is wrong. Much of it is right, but all of it is mocked. People can say we live in a patriarchy, but from what I see, it’s the opposite.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 09:16 PM
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True. Totally true. I don’t blame women for having preferences. I sure do. We all do right? I just disagree with one being okay to call out and one not being okay to call out. Maybe we should all just have a bit more class about what we like and don’t like.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/23 02:56 AM
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She doesn’t bust my balls about it. She doesn’t even realize it’s a stinger when she’s said it. For reference: we’re swingers, and the comments were in reference to me asking if a couple is interesting to her. She wants them my height or taller.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 04:35 PM
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To be perfectly fair, if she was 25lbs heavier, I’d have never spoken to her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 04:19 PM
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She doesn’t try to belittle me, it’s just come up in conversation a few times. And yes, she hates being so tall.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 04:18 PM
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Even my polite wife (5’8) unabashedly tells me (5’10) that “you’re as short as I go”. Imagine if I said “you’re as fat as I can go”. And that’s something under our control. Height is not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 01:55 PM
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There’s far more, and it starts far earlier, but I know I’m far from alone. Plenty of us out there. It’s why it boils my blood to hear how bad we are and how perfectly innocent some others are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/23 09:49 AM
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I was a bartender for 19 years. I’ve been groped, fondled, etc. so many times I lost count by year 2 of 19. Let me tell ya, I’ve been accosted, hit, had beers thrown at me, and been told I was a horrible human for “hurting her feelings”, that I should “just let it happen”, and of course called every manner of gay slur. The violence was particularly troublesome, but if I wanted my job I had to just deal with it. I got to a point where a hand reaching from behind, under my ass, and all the way to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/23 06:32 PM
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Been there. It can get ugly if she’s “with her crew”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/23 04:53 PM
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READ, FFS: Results: Even after adjustment for sample selection bias, men reported twice as many partnerships as women (0.5 vs. 0.2), as well as more casual partnerships. However, when selective reporting was controlled for, aggregate gender differences in sexual behaviors almost entirely disappeared. In the matched-couples sample, men and women exhibited moderate to substantial levels of agreement for most relationship characteristics and behaviors, including type of relationship, frequency of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:02 PM
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Or maybe the NIH? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22227625/ I’ll keep an eye out at NOAA to see if they have any solar data in case I accidentally say the sun is hot without a link.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:59 PM
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In this one regard, I’m saying it’s worse, but not overall. If you calmly read the last two paragraphs of my post, you’ll see that. I also agree that scum isn’t a gendered trait. Again, reading the posts’ end will hopefully clarify. Each sex has a flavor of villainy that they tilt toward, but I don’t think it’s measurably more one than the other in aggregate. Where you may detect some irritation on my part is from a twofold cause: 1- moralizing. It’s one-sided and hypocritical. 2- accountability…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:31 PM
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Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:15 PM
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Ok… and in that environment, women go wild. In the bar business, women go wild. On holiday in a town where none of their family are around, women go wild. On business trips in hotels, women go wild. They cheat at least as much, and I say more, than men. They just don’t get caught and don’t own up to it. Men aren’t better. Women aren’t better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:14 PM
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Common sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:12 PM
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I’d say more about my experiences, but people say I’m lying, and I feel “braggy” enough already.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:11 PM
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At my apartment at 2pm on a Tuesday?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:05 PM
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Wrong. We cannot effectively speak about every single individual on earth. When we speak of any group, generalization is implied. This is basic, standard stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:56 PM
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I agree with you on the data, and I’m not Redpill. It’s shit data. How many people self report bad actions? I’ve always seen women cheating at least as much, but couldn’t confirm. I don’t think this is a gotcha moment against women, just saying it’s unfortunate that women are forced to lie about who they are because of bullshit Victorian ideals, while men lie so that they can seem studly. It’s a double standard I’ve never understood beyond paternity concerns. Read the last two paragraphs. Please…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:51 PM
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It isn’t logic, it’s anecdotal. And I say as much. My suspicions were validated by the studies that line up with my experience. Most men don’t experience what I did, but once I lifted weights for a year and stood “on stage” as a bartender, it was nonstop. Watching others (1000s) previously in the military is what gave me my initial suspicion, and let me tell ya- it was rampant and pervasive and highly gendered. It was also cooperative within the gender. I’m not shaming women here. I’m saying you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:40 PM
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If you have to ask that, and aren’t playing dumb, I think we’re done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 12:01 PM
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Maybe not, but the office job and military job ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:04 AM
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That’s been my experience, and the non-self-reported data is starting to line up with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:04 AM
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Congrats. I’ve also been cheated on more than once. Since we’re moving goalposts, I’ve dropped a partner over drugs too. I guess drug addiction is part of cheating too? Ok. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:03 AM
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“Admitted to”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:59 AM
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“Self reported”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:58 AM
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It’s relevant because I’ve known this for years, but kept hearing how it wasn’t so. It was confusing to me. Our narratives do not match reality. I don’t blame women for latching on to a faulty “self reported” figure that favors them morally. Men sure as shit would.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:57 AM
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“Self report” cheating. It’s an important distinction, and don’t worry- I expected that response. I’ve gotten it for years. I once got that from a girl, who was in a LTR, and that I’d been with a few times, and who was at my bar with her BF. So, ummmm….
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:56 AM
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Not universal- just a reflection of a part of reality that we don’t discuss if we’re one of the guys benefitting from it. Also, I’m not a red pill person. Unlike them, I don’t look down on women, I just don’t look up at women either. We’re all human. Also, it’s two articles about scientific studies. The other garbage numbers out there are based on self-reporting. Do you have any idea how unreliable that is? Try reading the study. I’m sure you’ve never linked to some studies before to make a poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:52 AM
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According to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:44 AM
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Sure there is. For women you’ve got “mistress” if she’s kept, and “lover” if she’s not. For men you’ve got “gigolo” if he’s straight up paid, “cabana boy” if he’s kept. “Lover” if he isn’t. Etc etc etc. Regardless- Unlike what Post Modernists like to claim, language doesn’t create reality out of thin air.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:44 AM
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Well yeah. A single person is hard to predict, but groups of people are easy to predict. We can’t say if person X will do do Y, but we can confidently say people like X have a 41.46% chance of doing Y. It’s how generalizations work, whether they feel alienated or not doesn’t change that this is what this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:40 AM
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Yes! and even more men who are faithful
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:35 AM
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Ok. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:35 AM
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Read the study?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:34 AM
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Read the study. Women cheat more, and go out of their way to do it. No one is innocent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:34 AM
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Of course. If you’ve been together for years, I t’s more likely that your partner hasn’t cheated than has, but not by much. That statement works for both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:33 AM
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I was mad about it, but it hot further from home, if I’m being honest. Men and women are more alike than the people here admit. Or that society will permit. I JUST posted about this 2 minutes ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 08:32 PM
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Me. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:00 PM
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It’s more complex than that, and has been for decades. Hell, my own grandfather once said (he thought quietly) to my father in the 1980s, “I don’t understand why would women want to be like men? They have half the money, all of the sexual leverage, they don’t have to swing a shovel in the hot sun, and no one expects them to be heroes and die.” To my father’s credit, he clapped back at him about being taken seriously and wage disparity. That conversation stuck with my teenaged brain until this ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:56 PM
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Name ONE that didn’t explicitly say that mens issues are entirely the fault of tHe PaTrIaRcHy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:07 PM
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Bingo. Well said. We’re ok with our lives and pains not meaning nearly as much, it’s just when we hear about our own lack of empathy that our eyes start rolling. It’s a whale of a double standard in a sea of double standards- but only one set of those matters. I’m a powerful ally to pre-2000 feminism, and understand why the conversation was one-sided. Now, that time has passed and women need to catch up without deflecting always to “mens problems are mens fault as much as our problems are mens f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:05 PM
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Gotta call bullshit on that one. “Male teacher rapes young female student” is a common headline. “Female teacher has sexual affair with underaged student” is the other kind of headline. Just google and you’ll see. Check authors’ genders. It’s everyone, not just dipshit males.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:59 PM
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It’s not about tricking anyone. Women mean well, but give catastrophically bad dating advice to other women and especially to men. They don’t mean to, but the results are the results. The analogy in OPs post isn’t great, as it leaves itself open to this kind of drivel.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:19 PM
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That’s a gross mischaracterization of an awkward analogy. Here’s what’s actually meant: women’s dating advice to other women is terrible, and women’s dating advice to men is hilariously and often catastrophically bad. I’ve told dozens of male acquaintances that they should take women’s fashion and hygiene advice, then ignore or do the opposite with the rest of it. Why? Because that approach actually works.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:15 PM
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Bingo!the 50s had a wild-assed underground kink thing going. There was more swinging going on back then than we imagine Grammy would do. Well, maybe she did, people! The 60s was about openness and honesty. And a means for birth control under a woman’s power. Don’t underestimate the power of that little pill. Without it, nature provided powerful consequences. Today, those consequences occur primarily via negligence, immaturity, and governmental incentives to poor women. While I do think the most …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:46 PM
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I’ve been singing this song in here for a long while, and the men accuse me of bragging and the women accuse me of misogyny. Nope. I love women. The best boss I ever had (current one too!) is a woman. She’s also one of my two mentors. My mentee is a woman. When I was in the bar biz I was popular with the women that worked with and for me. I love them! I’m also not a jealous guy (see my flair). But, y’all are scandalous! I’ve been allowed behind the green door since I was in my youth, and I know …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:23 PM
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Emphasis on the word “influenced”, as in “not at all the primary input”. Also, you’ve boiled down the complexity of male arousal to body parts. Tsk tsk. This isn’t fair nor true. (Unless you add the word “primarily” and even then, it exactly)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:08 PM
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I’m not so sure. I’d need to see some proof beyond the men of the 220 person Bogando tribe of east Fuckandia. I see this flavor of commentary often, and it’s generally easy to utterly debunk. Got some proof for us? I love being wrong. It’s how we learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:06 PM
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Bahahahaaa
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:04 PM
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Again, congrats. Cherish that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 11:34 AM
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Are you even married? Most of my male friends, when they want to head out with the guys, sans-wife, for anything not work related, get a grumble or a dangerous “sure” at least. If this isn’t you (or your spouse) then you are the unusual one. Congrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:43 AM
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It could also continue down the “women’s problems are mens’ fault and mens’ problems are also mens’ fault” thread but… oh wait. It did. The OP has a weird take, but he’s right about one thing: you demanded access to all of our spaces, and offered up none of your own. So yeah, we’re a bit isolated. Also, my very open minded wife took fucking years to not be weird about me going to hang with a buddy once every few weeks. Not to a strip club or boozing it up, just going to play spades or whathaveyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:34 PM
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I spend time mostly with my wife and I’m pretty fucking virile. This is a weird take. But to be honest, men do need their own spaces, and women took that away while still keeping theirs to themselves. This is not only unfair, it’s not working out. Every movement goes too far before it settles back into something that works. This is one of those. 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:25 PM
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Also only sorta true. Women attempt suicide far more than men do. Far far more. But, men attempt it with methods that are more assured. Women tend to half-ass it, take a bottle of pills, and immediately call friends or family or an ambulance. Men blow their brains out. Take from that what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:53 PM
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This is just sort of true. Men seek help less often, but- Women experience much higher levels of negative emotion, and this is incredibly well studied. Men’s depression is far more tied to current life situations than a generalized feeling of depression, and this is also very well studied. Anecdotally, I was treated for depression, as a man. When my life situation changed, my depression melted away without the use of medication. My wife, who loves her life, and who’s life has improved immeasurab…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:49 PM
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That word, and your usage of it, are loaded with mixed context. Privilege as it is most often used these days infers unearned status. When challenged, you also use it for earned status. Pick a definition. Also, if we’re going that route, you had the privilege to decide which path you would take (unearned), chose it, and now have a resultant status (earned). So, if you chose a career that you consciously knew wouldn’t provide a middle class life, you don’t get to complain. It was your privilege t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 10:59 AM
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It’s not a privilege. I busted my ass to get here. 60 and 80 hour weeks for a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 01:57 PM
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Trust, if you do anything but genuflect, you’ll get hate. My conservative friends hate my liberalism. My liberal friends hate my conservatism. Same with RP/BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 01:20 PM
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Ours are aged 27, 18, and 11. So no plural toddler situation. When we moved in together, her daughters were 11 and 3. By the time I went back to school and got less involved they were 17 and 9. We had a daughter one year later. Full time daycare from 2 years old and onward for each, and she worked 10 hours per week during this entire time, minus the last 6 months of pregnancy through the first many months our youngest was around, then part time school for a couple years. Then 10-15 hour work wee…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 12:47 PM
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I’m that guy. 50, 5’10, 209lbs, and I’ve got less than 10lbs to lose I think before the abs show without flexing. Ladies over 30 often stare. They are not shy about it, and a crazy % of them smile at me in the grocery store. It feels great. Not groaning every time I get out of a chair is even better. All it requires is an hour of gym time 5x per week, an hour walk at night every single day, a highly restricted diet, almost no alcohol… Come to think of it, being fat last year wasn’t sooo bad. I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:52 PM
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I’d said she has a part time job now, so I didn’t fully categorize that as a SAHW. Maybe I’m being a stickler there, my apologies! She’s also retained most of the domestic work, though I’ve picked up quite a bit round the edges. She doesn’t desire a big career, would rather be at least mostly domestic- and I can thereby focus mainly on work and quality time with the girls. Division of labor I guess? And we’re lucky enough to be able to afford it (im a top 5% earner in my state, and collectively …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:02 PM
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We’ve still got the 6th grader, and as stated she has a PTJ now. She used to have one back in the day too, but like 10-15 hours a week. I made less then, but was back in school, plus full time work, coaching the kids, and for the last 6 months of all that I had an internship as well. She kept everything going with the house and kids, and kept me in clean clothes, fed, listened to me complain about being tired, blackened out our room som I could sleep better, etc. The kids turned out and are turn…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 08:49 PM
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Guessing you’ve never had nor been a housewife, or you wouldn’t say what you say. For one of those, she’s quite normal. We’ve got a neighborhood full of them here, and it seems to go that way generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 08:03 PM
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Does no one actually read the comments? Try that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 08:00 PM
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See my comment above. We live in more similar worlds than you imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:49 PM
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See my comment above. We live in more similar worlds than y’all want to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:48 PM
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I’m not Adonis per se, but I lived with this when I was a gym rat bartender. Far too many successful, attractive attorney types that would pick me up for wild times, but would do the equivalent of “oh honey, you’re so pretty, and now you have opinions too. That’s cute.” What they didn’t know, and one found out loudly in a car on the last time we spoke was that I was a twice college educated, former military meteorologist, with a 99.97th percentile IQ, a world traveller, and made my own goddamned…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:35 PM
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I’d say something pithy and informative, but I think you’ve captured it all here. Maybe everyone can calm down a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:57 AM
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Yes yes and yes. I do wish, as a woman, you’d also taken a swing at FDS- because it’s as least as toxic as anything I’ve seen on Redpill, and often worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 08:42 PM
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And this is why I’m not Redpill. That’s not how things work- at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 08:39 PM
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I my experience, (emphasis on the anecdotal quality of this), women seem to prefer a man who is dominant and powerful with everyone but them and their tight social circle. Exception: in bed. Dominant and slightly rough play mixed with enough tenderness for a feeling of safety. Am I dead wrong? I might well be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:34 PM
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Serious question: who fought and died? Less serious question: how many women voted to grant these rights? And lastly, generalizations are often wrong about a single individual, but exist because they so accurately describe a group. As my dad used to say, “the actions of a person are hard to predict, but the actions of 10k people are easy to predict.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:31 PM
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Ah… you answered us both in one fell swoop. Well played!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:28 PM
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Agreed on all counts apart from a tiny thing about your first observation- of course no large group is a hive mind, but groups have tendencies, and I think that’s what this very flawed study was trying to find. You could ask “do men like large breasts?” Not every man will answer the same way, as we are also not a hive mind, but there will be a measurable tendency towards “yes”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:27 PM
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Agreed. He doesn’t sound dominant, he sounds like an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:24 PM
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No, FFS. Every experiment has control groups, and every study controls for the variances they aren’t studying. So, they need to normalize for the life expectancy of each sex before they see if there’s a difference in life expectancy when a mate dies. Also, age at time of spouse’s death, location, etc etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:26 PM
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Preach is comic relief and is a thoughtful dude with an average intellect. They are a good partner match for their platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:09 PM
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Bingo. “More complicated than it looks”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:07 PM
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Anyone engaging in that rhetoric that has a strong mind knows it’s indefensible, and the less intelligent ones who say it have a strong bias or are well-meaning morons, so I switch off immediately once I hear any of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:04 PM
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They can “focus” (otherwise known as editorializing and bullshitting) all they like, but unless they control for the unequal life expectancy of men and women, it’s all bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:02 PM
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This will get entertaining… <grabs popcorn>
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:07 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:10 PM
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r/stilltryingtoohard
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 12:42 PM
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r/tryingtoohard
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 10:50 AM
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Then, like any marketplace, it will correct. So sorry that we have to live in a time where it doesn’t suit so many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 10:40 PM
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Congratulations, you’ve missed the point entirely. Twice now. Please, look up Bayesian Learning. You’ll learn something. We don’t require attribution for your new wisdom, nor an apology for current ignorance. Just go forward and educate others.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 05:18 PM
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Thank you thank you thank you. Now can you do a bit on the exception fallacy, and also how modern morons think any exception to a rule completely invalidates said rule?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 05:16 PM
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Sorry, but knowing that 75% of tigers will try to eat you means you’d be wise to pay attention to that stat if you want to live. You can find out during your interactions with said tiger that it isn’t going to eat you (probably) for whatever reason, but ignoring that tendency walking into the cafe would be stupid. Taking your initial “best behavior in public” interactions with said tiger to be a reflection of how that tiger is under stress, or given opportunity to eat you, is also stupid. Really…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:54 PM
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Won’t argue with calling out both pills, but I’m not: ugly, out of shape, poor, awkward, unsexed… and I did the kabuki dance just the same as the other guys. Granted, there’s about half of women I didn’t have to do this for at all, but I wasn’t gunning for them. Know what I mean? As a male, it’s your role to play in the animalistic mating ritual we still do (and will probably always do). Why be bitter about your own biology, guys? You get to be stronger and you don’t have to deal with pregnancy’…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 11:24 AM
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I was a train wreck of a boyfriend until about 29. Met my wife at 32. Thank heaven we didn’t meet when I was 20. She was only 15. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:12 PM
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Men comment negatively on women. Women comment negatively on men. This isn’t one sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 11:46 AM
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Yes. Exactly. Even when Glum-Ad-4032 doesn’t like that honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 11:14 AM
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If you had any clue what you were talking about I’d care more, but you know fuckall. Here comes the block!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:09 PM
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I wish more people here could understand that the tendencies that run along gendered lines are statistically irrefutable and real, but at the level of an individual they often fail. People’s actions are easy to predict. A person’s actions are difficult to predict.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:28 PM
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Less territorial? Lol. Tell me you don’t know women without telling me you don’t know women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:12 PM
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I don’t think I’m a rare individual and I did it. Still married too, and I wasn’t a dork or bad at dating either. Sometimes, you just meet the right girl._
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:11 PM
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The State wants a citizen to pay for those kids, not the State itself. Google some of these cases. They exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:06 PM
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Well, I did it. She had two daughters. I was single and childless. We’ve been married now for ages. All but our mutual child are grown and out of the house. I manned up with the ex early when he blustered and made an empty threat. He shut up quickly… and then disappeared completely. Try it, fellas. Be a man. As for the kids and support, I can’t argue with you there. We never got a dime out of the ex, since he’s ok living under the radar. God help him if he ever gets pulled over. However, it was …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:02 PM
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What dude would ever do this? What woman would agree to it? Weird AF post.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:07 PM
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Holy truth bomb. “Am I about to be sold timeshare, given a nightclub flyer, or invited to a Scientology event?”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:23 AM
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Incorrect. I was that guy, and my success rate was still poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:17 AM
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I appreciate your heartfelt comment. It was a good read too. You’ve got a talent for writing. So… the 1970s, with all due respect, was 50 years ago. I know this, because I was born at the beginning of it, (and because of math I guess). That’s two generations ago. You’re living and working today, but today isn’t perfect either. Your situation was hard to read. That situation is tough to fix too. As a professional male, I can tell you it’s very hard to know which women in the office will go to HR …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:17 AM
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Or… it’s a bad idea to ask anyone out. It’s far more failure than success, but at least your chances are better than ours. There’s that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:15 AM
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Oh the absolutism and hypocrisy… Wanna be the one to take a risk of rejection, or rude and embarrassing rejection, just like the boys do? Go for it! I applaud your bravery and industry, and I wish you great success. In fact, I’m so invested in others’ success, I’ll even offer an observation of why this might or might not work out, to make you feel better about past failures, or to help you in the future. I’m trying to be simultaneously helpful and truthful - not to offend. Let’s be fair here: Y’…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:41 AM
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Maybe. Or rejection fears. Or both. You seem cool. If you’d have approached I would’ve been a yes. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:06 PM
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What I take from all this is yet another one-sided conversation: men should adapt to women’s communication styles and women should just keep slaying yo! You’re perfect!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 07:20 PM
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Well I wouldn’t call a person ugly, but attraction is an ephemeral thing. Hard to quantify. It’s the dating economics parts that are my central point here. It raises alarm bells in us.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 07:17 PM
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It’s not that we don’t like it. We do. We just know the economics of dating, so if you’re walking up and offering, we are at least suspicious of what game you’re playing, and at worst we wonder what horrors you’re hiding about yourself that you need to put yourself out there like that. But we’re very much flattered. The few times I’ve encountered this I loved it, but in all but one case she wasn’t my cup of tea physically. Hint hint.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 07:04 PM
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You know how sometimes guys need to read between the lines to decipher what their gf actually meant? Well, a guys’ poker night is only 50% about poker, and there are no longer any men-only golf clubs. I also, respectfully, caught how yet again a mens’ space gets dismissed as not actually needing to be a mens’ space. Also, the Elm Street book club is as much a girls-night as it is a literary critique club. An example for you of an unofficial space would be tabletop gaming clubs I’ve joined in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 06:33 PM
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See if you can find a men’s club or group that does not include and invite women apart from a church group, or a therapy/recovery group. FFS the Boy Scouts is now gender-neutral, but the Girl Scouts aren’t doing the same. You can’t have a men’s only golf club, or anything else for that matter. If it happens to exist this way organically, you’d better not advertise it, much less codify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:36 PM
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I suppose they are, but it did my daughters some good. The adult is happily married and the college one takes zero shit from boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:21 PM
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Well that ended quietly and quickly. 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:59 PM
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Just watch “he’s just not that into you” and you’re good to go. Well, provided you don’t think you or your prospective partner are “the exception”. Sorry, he’s isn’t the exception and you aren’t either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:58 PM
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Apologies for tone, it’s just that “a thing proposed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” It seems that any problems men face are the result of their own actions (the patriarchy) and that any problems women face are the result of mens’ actions (the patriarchy). I’ve rarely seen anything beyond blanket inference to prove that this shadowy patriarchy is currently anything other than a convenient boogeyman. Again- you’ve not provided evidence here. Just the observation that emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:34 PM
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How TF does this shadowy patriarchy do this to you? Please, be specific and evidentiary.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:20 PM
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This opinion is generally based off a bad assumption: men are emotionally defective/repressed women. No. We are not. Male spaces and friendships are fantastic for fulfilling these needs in men, but there are a few problems- 1- we wrongly assume that if those male bonds aren’t providing the same benefits as female bonds that they are defective. No, they provide different benefits. Many of those seem pointless to women watching from the outside. Trust, ladies, that we feel the same way about your …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:14 PM
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Thank you for this. While I know we puff women up with bullshit praise, anyone who doesn’t think women do this for men is lying to themselves. I catch my wife puffing up my importance all the time. It’s sweet. So I do the same for her. In fairness: I didn’t desire a traditional marriage setup, but it’s what I got… I resented her decision by fiat, as many of my friends have when their wives declared they wanted more time with the kids etc etc and were taking it if he ever wanted peace again. It t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:28 PM
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Sometimes, things work out up to the point of having sex, but are just so-so in the bedroom. Or not even so-so. Sometimes it’s her, sometimes it’s you, sometimes it’s both of you. As long as you aren’t weird or insulting about it, it’s no big deal. Sometimes it’s more complicated too. A good example would be a girl I sorta knew in the bar biz. We ended up at the same club one night, had some laughs, and ended up back at her place. It was good. The next morning she remarked about how good it was,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 12:58 PM
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Agreed. I figure things generally move in the right direction, but year to year things are stop-start.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:25 AM
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Well… in our courts, public opinion, schools, the prison system, child custody, nearly every movie or tv show… a girl can say whatever the hell she likes about boys, but not the other way around. A girl can do whatever she likes to a boy, but not the other way around. Hell, there are a slew of videos where women claim if they cheat it’s a man’s fault and he should do better, a slew of videos of women laughing when a man is castrated, a slew of videos that simply say “rob him, sis. Yes, queen!” E…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 07:26 PM
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I would never claim there are no good ___. People are people. Double standards are everywhere. What I’ve noticed though is that any systemic problem that men face is mens fault, any bad choices by women are mens fault, any anything is mens fault. You did it here. Just now. Two people sleep together and it turns out she’s a problem. His fault. The system favored her and damaged a child. Still his fault. I love women, but the accountability vacuum really frustrates me. Doubly so when men, who face…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 05:00 PM
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Maybe, maybe not. I wanted and advocated for a dead even split financially and domestically. This was generous of me, I thought, since I came with no debt and no children. She had both. After we moved in together, this changed by her fiat. It took years for me to get over that bait-and-switch, and I’m not alone there. She preferred roles, and so like most other men who desire to stay in a relationship, I demurred eventually and she got what she wanted. 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:40 PM
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We’ll, a nation is also a State, but…. Because 48.72% of Reddit users are from the United States, and the discussion we are in is mainly from and about American men - and the fucked up system here. That might explain your incredulous and simplistic responses to our plight. I’m glad to hear it’s more sane over there, but my relatives there are all still married and I wouldn’t have known that it’s better there without your contribution here. For that, I thank you. There’s hope!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:36 PM
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“Dump”? I think you misspelled “not demanding what your respective roles are because women run the show in relationships”. Again, please take on some accountability, ladies! Our choices are our fault and your choices are also our fault? Riiiiight…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:32 PM
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Yes, clearly this is all about his dick and we can just skip over the institutional issues here. It’s always the man’s fault. I see that now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:29 PM
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Dual citizen with Rep of Ireland with a Brazilian wife and extensive travel history, so yeah- I get that, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:26 PM
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I think you’re also glossing over the fact that most of the disparity in working hours between male and female parents is down to her choices, not his. “Bob, I need more time with the kids. I’m going to part time or quitting. Btw, have you ever thought about picking up more hours?” Shockingly, she seems to know more about the kids’ inner lives when the custody battle ensues. Go figure. Then, the courts see that he makes more money, and hits him with child support, and denies his request for 50/5…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 03:12 PM
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Which state is this exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 03:03 PM
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Also not easy. Momma no likey, so court no likey. One of my better friends burned his entire retirement as a Florida firefighter to get custody of his son from a one-night-stand baby momma, crack-addicted and neglectful, that had functionally abandoned the child long before. She liked catching a monthly check, and he had graciously provided an apartment for them so he’d at least know the boy had a bed to sleep on even when she’d skip out for a week or so. He’d come scoop the boy up when he’d get…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 02:54 PM
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Anyone between 5’3-5’8 who looks like they can run a mile without collapsing, and can lift 50lbs over their head. Ideally between 110-150lbs. My wife is 34DD-23-34, is 5’8 and 140lbs. She’s perfect. Perfect, I tell ya!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 01:54 PM
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In my 19 years of bartending, I’ve known many men who have tried and failed. Often enough, their payments go up after court, because they got a raise, or she stopped working. So, no. Not so easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 01:34 PM
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Most men assume, rightly, that they will be paying child support at 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 10:56 AM
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There are several things driving this stat. I’ll grant that a significant minority % of divorcing men don’t want to parent fully after a divorce, but the question as stated is deeply flawed. “Most men don’t even try to get custody over their kids.” Ok… Another way to put this would be: “Most men are happy to share custody and are blindsided when their wife files for full custody despite their previous verbal agreement.” Or… “Most men rightly assume a full custody fight cannot be won, and have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 10:53 AM
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I saw a lotof this activity on all fronts from all sides, apart from cat-calling which I’ve only seen 2-3x in 50 years. As a former 19 year bartender, I had so many coworkers who would ask me to kick out or kickass some “creepy guy”. Sometimes, he’d be a creep, but far more often he was just unattractive. I’d then see a good looking guy do the exact same thing a week later and she’d be all aflutter and ask if she could “just work his side of the bar for now.” The entitlement. The audacity. The d…
/r/AllPillDebate22/11/22 03:44 PM
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I get pilloried here for offering similar observations about women, men, and how we interact when there isn’t an online audience we need to please. I’m called hateful to women, and a cuckold, in the same thread. It’s maddening. No, I’m just a calm realist. Men and women each have their own flavor of self deception and bullshit. Double standards exist for both sexes. It just is, and it ain’t changing. Why can’t we just admit that and calm down?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 12:45 PM
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So I could avoid all this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:42 PM
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Clearly, my father only ever told me 16 things. Nothing else, ever. He only gave me advice regarding how to realistically navigate dating women. Nothing on finance, work, parenting…. Nothing else at all in the nearly 50 years he’s been my father. What a dick. Thank God that meager advice has been 100% accurate throughout my life. So at least there’s that. Also, the list wasn’t entirely the thing you misconstrued. In any case, kindly piss off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:21 PM
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Me too but 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 07:58 PM
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I get attacked personally on Reddit all the time, but no where more than right here. I take it as a badge of honor. It’s proof positive that they’ve lost the debate, so to speak, or have met the limit of their reason. Still, it does get old.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:51 PM
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To avoid more assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:41 PM
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He tried to keep in mind that men have their own bullshit too. So, egalitarian from where I stand, but I take your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:41 PM
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Dad was right. I wish I’d listened to him more when I was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:49 PM
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He’s an interesting guy. He doesn’t concern himself too much with what should be, just what is, and how best to navigate that. I actually deleted the comment, since I don’t think he deserves any of the hate here. He’s a good guy, a good husband, and he’s been a great father.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:47 PM
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Maybe fuck you? That was pretty real.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:46 PM
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Would likely be the same for some guys with those numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:26 PM
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We’ll, she did hold up her hand and run a finger across her fingers so…. Yeah, she literally meant less than 5. Just so we understand each other, I was NEVER the guy to shame that sort of thing because I think it’s a stupid double standard, even as a teen in the late 80s. So I’m cool, and maybe you can be here too. My “out of my ass calculation” is based on my anecdotal experience working almost exclusively with women for two decades in the bar biz, consequently having a hoard of female confidan…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:49 PM
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I’ve been victim to a couple of girls saying they slept with me when they didn’t. I get it. But these are guys she’d have told me about, or I could hear them in the next room. Why so triggered? Wait, you said why. Sorry, I do feel ya. Everyone wanted to say they slept with the bartender. My future wife called a girl out in the bathroom of the bar over that once. Pretty funny. (My wife can be intimidating to other women)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:36 PM
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News Flash: Men are not defective women, and women’s emotional lives aren’t the human standard. They are only the female standard. We do not need to be fixed by you, we just need you to stop talking down to us like we’re inherently broken, and ignoring or mocking us when we actually are broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:29 PM
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I don’t believe those stats at all. I’ve personally overheard a girl I knew saying she’d had less than a handful of partners. This was back when we were in our very early twenties. I personally knew of more than 5 (most of my tight friends group), plus me, plus whatever she wasn’t mentioning. People lie. Men lie about how successfully they’ve dated. Women lie in the other direction. Trust, if she says 5, double it and add a few that “don’t count”. Not shaming here. You do you and I’m not judgmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:15 PM
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Totally worth it, but it gets old. I’m happily married, with a bonus too. 😈
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:28 PM
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Youth is sexy. Period. So, we gravitate towards what an in shape, biologically/reproductively in their prime person would look like. That tends to be quite lean. While what’s fashionable changes, the actual beauty/body standards most people gravitate to don’t change much. Before criticizing this with “real ___ don’t look this way”, keep in mind that the average American is ~25lbs heavier than they were a generation ago, and the standards aren’t much different from then. Before criticizing it fur…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:04 PM
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Agreed. When I was a bartender pulling 60k, I had no debts, no kids, and an apartment. It’s was a small life materially, but I was financially “free”. Add a family, a mortgage, life insurance…. All the things that scream “regular middle class life” and at more than double the previous income I’m tight. It’s maddening, and I know I’m far from alone. You get it too. We’ve been hoodwinked. How do we fix this for society?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:17 AM
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We certainly don’t. It’s alarming. 2020 killed what we did have.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:19 PM
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Take my fake gold award!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:16 PM
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The wife and I pull north of 150k and we aren’t swimming in cash. Hell, the total mortgage bill alone is 2k per month. Renting would be even more. It’s getting hard to stay middle class, and we’ve fooled the growing masses of the poor that they’re middle class. They aren’t. It takes 6 figures to be middle class now in an average cost area.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:14 PM
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We live in central Florida, which is an average cost-of-living market. 3 kids, with one out and married, one in college, and one in grade school. I make ~$120k w great benefits and bonuses, and my wife pulls between $15-30k depending on the year. I make about $25k extra on average from side work. We don’t live an extravagant lifestyle (older cars for example), and we’re tight all the time on cash. It’s maddening what inflation has done to us, and no I don’t blame Biden for it. We’ve started freq…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:10 PM
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Maybe their husbands aren’t super judgmental, or have a past of their own they’d rather not be judged on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:50 PM
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I’m all for abortion rights. Full stop. Not up to anyone else whether a person births a child. On some level, men need access to choice as well. No one should be an involuntary parent. The main thrust of the problem as I see it is that we’ve subsidized (encouraged) single motherhood. Ex: My wife had two daughters from a previous relationship. Her ex didn’t pay unless we chased him down into court, and the amount was truly more than he could afford. The whole exercise was a farce, fucked his alre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:27 PM
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There’s a kernel of truth to this, but it’s still overblown. I was that guy for a little over a decade. There were always a few to a half dozen regular visitors to my apartment. Many were single and trying stuff out between relationships. Some were hoping for more and would fall off eventually. Some were currently in a relationship and stepping out or trying new things to bring home. They all had these things in common: 1- they were appreciative of my honesty, non-judgement, complete discretion,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:04 PM
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I really want to argue against this, but I can’t. I’ve seen it play out too often, and I’ve employed too many of these young men. No fathers or “occasional visitor” fathers, or maybe the guy fucking mom this year. Otherwise they are starved for adult male guidance. The system tells them they are the problem by virtue of their birth, and every natural instinct they have is evil. When they encounter a calm, dominant but not a dick, older male who is supportive…. They’re like modeling clay in your …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:37 PM
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I’m not a red pill, but that’s a bad read of red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:26 PM
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I think I’m good there, bro. Bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:55 AM
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Thanks for the downvote. You’ve got a type 1 logical error here: “I disagree with this idea ANYONE decides what a real man is.” Then you define what a real man is. For you, it’s: 1- being yourself. 2- being unapologetic about it. 3- working toward something. 4- improving yourself and your skills. So, no one can say what a real man is, (apart from you), in a 4 part definition. See the problem? As a bonus, by your definition my sister is a real man. Holy hell, my mom is a real man too. There’s yet…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:56 PM
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Agreed mainly, but something a lot of people, and women in particular, don’t get…. Women decide what a real man is equally or even more than other men do. We are all simps, as the saying goes. Are women into 5 o’clock shadows? We do that en masse. Want a stoic type? We will emulate. More sensitive? We try, or at least parrot it. What’s missing on a societal level is fathers, and male-exclusive environments. They are necessary if we want stable, healthy, reliable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:23 PM
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Everything outside of basic biology, and objective truth vs narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:03 PM
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What’s your evidence for this? I know a slew of average guys who went beefy and were suddenly dating like crazy. FFS I’m one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:04 PM
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I know there’s a knee jerk association between any disparity and patriarchy… but it’s used like a “god of the gaps” argument. So there are fewer women in government. Ok. Have you ever wondered what percentage of women run for office vs that for men? It’s easy to yell “patriarchy and internalized misogyny” but the evidence doesn’t match the narrative. What are the absolute numbers of men vs women that attempt a run for office in the first place? I’ll give you a hint: not many women run compared t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:56 PM
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Please, for the love of Pete, stop saying “Patriarchy”. It’s dumb AF, and we don’t live in one since before I was born, and I am not young.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:15 PM
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There is no shadowy patriarchy. It’s a stupid idea, and remember that it’s 3rd wave feminism encouraging this. Not tHe PaTrIaRcHy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:24 PM
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I reject any post about what men or women should do. But I will agree that 3rd wage feminism, unlike the first two waves, is more bullshit than substance or utility. And I’ll circle back to disagree on what men will call you- trust that for the same reason you didn’t cum, they aren’t bothering to call you anything positive nor negative. We don’t care about most things/people we don’t have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:21 PM
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Buulllllssshhhhiiiiit. It absolutely makes a massive difference. Huge. You can be an average dude for looks and height, and get pumped and ripped at the gym. Trust, you will have dates. Regularly. Hell, a funny one for me was when I used to wear really loose shirts while bartending and this waitress I thought was cute gave me nothing back when I’d try to chat her up. So I swing through the bar I worked at on my day off to grab a drink before heading downtown. I’ve got a tight shirt on. In the mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 09:10 AM
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She’s honest by default, instead of what I all too often encountered before her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:41 PM
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Wouldn’t that make it worse too though? One is a throw away. The other is an affair or revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:12 PM
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Who can say? The person I’m married to is not who I would’ve imagined, but it’s wonderful. What really matters is finding someone that has a similar moral compass to you, wants to cooperate and build with you, and is an honest, trustworthy person. Of course, there must be some sexual attraction, (she’s hot) and the sex must be at least decent (it’s phenomenal). However, it’s the alignment of core values in life that is most important.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:59 PM
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What I’ve seen change is mostly the power dynamics and expectations. It used to be that women held all the power, and guarded it jealously against any girl who gave it away easily and ruined the game. Hot guys had some power too, but it had to be very subtle, non-arrogant, and managed carefully. Thanks to OLD, the top 10% of guys hold a lot of power they never had before. Women have more ONS choices than ever, but fewer dating choices than ever. The smidge of power average men held is gone, as w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:21 PM
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Mixed bag there. No it isn’t too old at all. Not one bit. But… if children are in their plans, they will be very aware that there’s only 5 years or so from today that it isn’t entering the high risk or unlikely window. Get hitched asap!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:54 PM
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I like how women aren’t so rigid about rules, budgets, and probabilities. I know that seems like a negative, but as a counterpoint to their partnered men it’s a bonus. I can’t tell you how many times I watched it be a “no” from dad to mom, and from me to my wife. But rules, budgets, and likelihood of success just don’t fucking matter when they want something we can maybe provide and definitely take blame for if it doesn’t work out. Sometimes that blows up in my wife’s face- and of course it quic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:15 PM
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Can you try that again in English? I’d love to read and enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 05:53 PM
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I totally get this. What I think most men are whining about (not redpill and incels) is the misplaced moralizing. I’ll try to explain: 95% of men will never rape, attempt to rape, or have even a smidge of positive inclination toward it or anything that seems like it. So, most of us roll our eyes at the term “rape culture”. 95% of us aren’t in it. “Teach men to_.” Or “Teach men not to _.” We do! Our fathers teach us this, our friends teach us this, our schools teach us this, our television commer…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:30 AM
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I was in central Florida. As for observations, I’ve never been short of those. Do you have something specific in mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:44 PM
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I had a lot of resentment over this. Many of my friends have as well. I’ve gotten over it, and settled into the arraignment she slow rolled. We’re happy and it works, but it’s not what I signed up for, nor my friends. So, to hear about women being “forced into a caregiver role” really irritates me. It’s chosen, not mandated, because it’s 2022 not 1962. That folds into earnings gaps and all that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 11:59 PM
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Oh FFS. REALLY?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:10 PM
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All within certain bounds of course. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:05 PM
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And there are others like myself that disagree with that entire narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:04 PM
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My wife agreed to a 50/50 split with some caveats I offered up because I made double what she made, and she had her two kids to contend with. Like many of my friends, it instantly and by her choice changed to: I pay all the bills. She does 90% of the housework. They’re our kids now (I was happy about that). She spends time with the kids and wished I had more time with them. Her hours go from 40 to 15. Mine go from 50-65. This is not a rare occurrence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:31 PM
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Fair point. I wasn’t referencing his OP, rather the discussion thread. I’ll re-read his screed. The rhyming was free. You’re welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:26 PM
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No one is claiming men don’t have emotions, apart from some 4th wave feminists. In the example you’re providing, the issue is mental health rather than simply “having emotions bottled up”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:24 PM
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If I weren’t (happily) married already, I’d propose based solely off this comment. Thank you for your sanity and brevity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:18 PM
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You are conflating attention and friendship. If a man wants to relax and “let his hair down” he will generally choose the company of men he trusts. If he wants to be popular and the center of attention, it’s 100% from women that he wants that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:11 PM
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People say this all the time, but it’s been proven repeatedly to be false- especially with negative emotion. It’s just some SJW bullshit meant to make an ideological point. Even “scholarly articles” quibble endlessly and make false equivalencies to try to make this true. Well, it is not. Even the 5 factor personality test shows a powerful sex difference with women scoring higher in neuroticism and negative emotion. FFS my testosterone therapy can create a side effect of extra estrogen to metabol…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:36 PM
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I only stopped bartending in 2018, so I saw it evolving. I was behind a bar or running it and behind the bar from 1999-2018. 19 years of watching the Dating Game up close.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 07:57 PM
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Slow clap.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 01:13 PM
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I take testosterone therapy weekly as an aftermath of pituitary surgery, and as a result of age. When you pound that much testosterone into your body, it will try to metabolize it with heightened estrogen production. The warning signs? “You may find yourself tearful more often than you are used to. A good example might be tearing up during emotional scenes at the movies.” Can confirm. I broke the dose down into two half-doses twice per week. It killed the spikes, and I don’t feel overly emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 10:35 AM
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You nailed it. I think RP gets exaggerated maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 10:14 AM
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I don’t know about that. You’re gauging what women can get by a man’s standards and methods. They do it to us and it’s laughable and stupid. Don’t do it to them. It’s just as laughable and just as stupid. We. Have. Differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:12 PM
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Everyone should just go ahead and watch “He’s just not that into you.” It should be shown to every girl (and boy) in middle school. My girls all watched it, and are doing well. The eldest is married, and the college kid has a nice guy for a boyfriend. Incels take note- she’s a classic prom-queen type. Cheerleader type of Beautiful, student athlete, every guy notices her. Her boyfriend? Cute enough I suppose, but not a Chad in any respect. But… he’s good to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 06:46 PM
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Not exactly. I got laid before I did the gym work and stood behind a bar. It just got way way easier and with more attractive partners. I didn’t go without, I just had less going on. Doesn’t matter anyway. I stopped playing Chad and found a wife pretty quickly. Maybe, we found each other? We were both sick of where we’d been, and wanted something better. We have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 01:13 PM
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I’ve had friends that were pretty hot. I ended up making out with a couple of them, but it didn’t feel right going any further. Just don’t be thirsty about it I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 11:38 PM
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Red Pill: women suck. Work on yourself and exploit their bullshit to get ahead as a man. Be Machiavellian, but whine a lot too. Science when it agrees only. Blue Pill: men suck. Womens’ problems are men’s fault. Mens’ problems are mens’ fault too. Woke AF. Science when it agrees only. Purple Pill: everyone kinda sorta sucks. Each pill will accuse you of being from the opposing pill. Nuance apparently offends people. Black Pill: I’m the one who sucks. Pity me while I rage online.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:27 PM
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After reading a few posts today, I don’t ever want to be called a misogynist nor an incel, nor a red pill on here ever again. You wanna see some of those? Check out OP, and just about every other post here for the past week.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:01 PM
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Man here- you ain’t lying. It’s shocking to me. Now I know why I was so “popular” behind closed doors in my 20s. Angry virgins are dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:09 PM
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This is a pretty fucked up take. First off, as a non-incel, married but swinging, former Chad who’s found his way around a vagina over the years… the G-Spot is simply an interior part of the clitoris. It’s real, and figuring out how to work it will improve the life of you and your partner. Oxytocin may decrease in a woman during kissing (news to me), but orgasm and any touch of her cervix that isn’t painful will cause a flood of oxytocin. So maybe screw better? The reasons women have sex are may…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:03 PM
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I wish that was always enforced and enforced equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 08:19 PM
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Right. Because why?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 07:54 PM
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This is the truth, and I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:38 PM
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Not sure that’s fair, but it’s an answer without insults. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:37 PM
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Why do you think that is? Surely, there are reasons. Also, it all depends on what you measure, how you measure it, and when you measure it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 01:15 PM
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There’s a lot of truth in what you say here. To be fair, while I’m not Adonis, not 6’, and wasn’t wealthy… I am confident enough at 50 to say I was objectively attractive, and certainly had an Adonis body. I was also a very well known bartender that to this very day can’t go anywhere without some random approaching me with my wife and daughters to talk to me about NSFW bar life stuff. “Remember that guy you thumped for swinging a beer bottle at you? Remember that Hooters chick that went nuts on …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 12:39 PM
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Often true and well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 12:22 PM
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It was me, and friends of mine far better looking than me. I rarely had less than 4 at any given time that frequently texted in the afternoon to see if they could “swing by and say hi.” I used to love “saying hi” to them for an hour or two. Some would try to finagle a relationship out of it, some knew better, some were already in a relationship. So, the 20% thing is a myth. Dudes get laid. But the ones with discretion, lack of thirst, gym bodies, and a sense of humor… they catch it often and eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 12:19 PM
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Bro. You’re giving us guys a bad name. Not cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 12:13 PM
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Must be a troll post. No sane person would say this out loud?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:46 PM
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Right? Before I got my engineering degree I was a military veteran who tended bar. I can’t tell you how many women I met who wanted to (and did) sleep with me privately, but wouldn’t be caught dead dating me around colleagues nor family nor friends. One of them basically broke her face with a smile when I angrily replied to her not-nice comment with the bombshell that I already had a philology degree and a 99.97th percentile IQ. I was furious. Within a week I met her parents. We still didn’t las…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:17 PM
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I think as salaries come closer to level, that’s the thing that hurts dating vis-a-vis women’s group statistical dating preferences. Adding the education gap, it’s going to get harder to practice hypergamy at any level. However, I believe women will be able to sort this all out without us men telling them how to do it. But, considering how often we see single moms out there, I have some doubts. People make bad decisions sometimes. That isn’t true for all single moms, but generally speaking…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:09 PM
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I’m a guy and since I started working out again I get lots of looks. (Not a cheater though). My wife is especially happy with it. Fitness is the quickest and most guaranteed path to “hotness”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:48 AM
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Simple answer: fitness. Some guys love boobs, some guys love BBW, etc etc. But the overwhelming majority of us like a girl who looks like she could run a mile and not drop dead or blow her knees out. Of course, everyone likes a pretty face on a boy or a girl, and things like style or nice hair always help. But, in the end, if a girl looks sorta fit she’s going to get looks. This next bit will offend some, but youthful (legal age at least) appearance is always a hit, and no it isn’t creepy. It’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:41 AM
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I get a background check, but a credit check is nutty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 08:43 PM
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What pray-tell was hateful to women? I’m morbidly curious. You already misattributed “you’re being emotional” to me. Never said it. So what did I actually say?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 08:22 PM
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Your OP was so good. Then you went on a tirade against a straw man. SMH. Misogyny? Riiiight.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 07:45 PM
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I agree. I tell my daughters how I got a taste of what boomers think the job market is when I was starting out. Decent pay was a thing. Employee retention was a thing. Pensions were a thing. Break rooms and scheduled breaks were a thing. Respect was a thing. Nowadays? Not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 07:15 PM
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“Pity Party” was used because you state your case about pregnancy and childbirth being “a trauma” only women bear. Sure, and men also have traumatic/difficult things that only they bear. Why is it always a contest for sympathy? Also, no where at all did I say “you’re being emotional”. You keep going after strawmen. Maybe read what I actually wrote instead of injecting the thoughts of some phantom misogynist you’d rather debate. I took the time to read the article you linked to, and I noticed it …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:04 PM
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As a GenXer and manager, I’ve noticed a weird trend: Boomer: A few all stars. A few scrubs. Mostly ok employees. GenX: more evenly distributed. Millennials: lots of all stars. Lots of scrubs. A few ok employees. GenZ: all stars and scrubs. A sprinkling of ok employees at best. It’s weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 12:14 PM
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Then you don’t know a damned thing about Pell Grants. I got one as an adult, since my parents made too much. My daughter won’t qualify because I make too much when I was college-aged. So, to the question of evolution and Idiocracy- I’m a 141 IQ guy, and made one child. My wife’s ex is a fucking moron and has made at least 4 children we’re aware of. My 133 IQ sister is highly successful and made zero kids, but our dumbass cousin has 3. Those kids might get Pell Grants, but they might not use them…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 12:01 PM
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Sigh… and how many children on average do those people have compared to knuckle-dragging dipshits?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 11:19 PM
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Who says we’re following natural selection at all for the past century or more? Idiocracy is frighteningly close to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 07:24 PM
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He just called out that natural order. Some mammals are pair bonded. We are one of them, albeit loosely so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 07:23 PM
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Nailed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 07:22 PM
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That’s a hell of a logic leap. Most relationships start with “damn she’s pretty” or “omg look at that ____ on her.” All the meaningful stuff happens afterward. Can’t be too too different for the ladies I imagine?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 07:21 PM
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Agreed, but I think the assumed portion was “at the approach and chat up stage”. 100% looks, style, and body language at that point. Who you actually are comes after. The coolest lady on earth, but not conventionally attractive, isn’t going to get as many approaches. Any guy saying differently is fucking weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 07:19 PM
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Doesn’t help that we subsidize this behavior. We are middle class and had kids prior to actually tying the knot legally. It costs us roughly $5k our first year in taxes. Also, my wife could’ve gotten all kinds of assistance (we didn’t bother, but many do) until we got married and my salary got added into the mix. Now that’s off the table too. Imagine you’re a poor young woman. All the other girls give it up, so you do too. Sex education is substandard. There’s no longer any stigma for illegitima…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 07:15 PM
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Confidence and creativity are huge. Experience matters too, but I think a mix is best. Really learn a person inside and out (no pun intended), but understand that what works for one woman might or might not work for the next. Experience with more than a single lover will help you learn to respond to body language effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 07:08 PM
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There are large parts where I agree with you, but I’ll try a quick rejoinder- Women are indeed the only ones who endure pregnancy, childbirth, etc. On that front, men do well over 90% of all the dangerous dirty work, and subsequently do 91% of the dying at work. So there’s no pity party relevant there. As for its effect on hours worked, I will repeat- men work an average of an hour a day more than women who are single and childless. So the stat isn’t skewed the way you imagine. That gap grows on…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:01 PM
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My God he sounds like a chore. I also must handle far more than I tend to admit with my SO, but at least she’s doing the things she took on to herself. Sorry about your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 01:15 PM
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It’s not all you said, and who would dispute that? You just can’t answer to these stats: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/ Don’t like male presidents? Vote for yourselves. Wish the WNBA, USWNT, etc got equal pay and didn’t rely on mens’ leagues to survive? Go watch yourselves play sports. Stop blaming us for failing to support yourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 10:46 AM
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Go read a book on statistics and exit-polling and get back to me. Wait… look up the term “anecdotal evidence” too. Then, maybe, we can chat about this. As for CEO, I misread your comment. I’ll own that. It also makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 06:55 PM
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I’m not one of those. I think BP is ridiculous and RP is too. I’m also married and never had any more than the standard issues dating. Incels needs to stop whining and work on themselves. BP women need to look at all the stats, and not just the ones that make them want to knit a pink vagina hat. Everyone sucks. The only issues I specifically have with women is their potpourri approach to equality, and a moralizing to men that (having spent years working around women as “the one we can talk to” a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 06:52 PM
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Lmao. Ever heard of exit polling? Google it. It’s a thing. Ever heard of demographics studies? They’re also a thing. Google those too. I thought you said you were a CEO? I’d expect them to know these kind of easy facts. I’m guessing your company doesn’t ask the race or gender of their customers on sales receipts, and yet -somehow- you have access to this data. Fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:23 PM
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Things don’t always align perfectly, but nature says we are a semi-monogamous sexually reproducing species with moderate sexual dimorphism. Lifelong pair bonding is nearly ubiquitous and exists cross-culturally, and independent of culture. So, yeah, built in pairs - just not with a 100% accuracy and success rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:23 PM
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Nope, not related to sperm or egg donors. Just the idea that being with the opposite sex seems pointless if you’re jaded about them and their utility in your own life. You seem to be this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 03:16 PM
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I catch this with not crashing the car (6 totaled with innumerable oopsies in 18 years), or paying bills she created for herself but for me to ultimately pay -and on a whim, or fixing literally anything. Cuts both ways. Everyone has bullshit. Men, women, and those who are somewhere in between, or trying to play the “roles” as both.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:48 PM
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My mom worked and also did nearly all the housework, tasked by herself. But, my dad did all the outside work, tasked by mom, and unequally couldn’t complain about it. She could complain and did. He also worked several hours more per day at a job. They’re both hard working boomer people. I admire them both. I’m a GenXer. So is my wife. We both decided on an equal split of finances and housework when we decided to move in together. She, not me, immediately decided she wanted to work 5-15 hours per…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:40 PM
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These are fair questions that need answering. Some things to consider: Men still work at their jobs around 1 hour per day more than women on average. This is with or without a relationship or kids. Those differences grow once a woman lives with a man, and explode once kids are involved. Anecdotal differences will occur where they work equivalent hours, but this isn’t actually the norm. So, some of that will still occur and be “fair”. The question is how much is fair? There’s also gendered intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:31 PM
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News flash- most of us men are not at all like this. Stop bullshitting yourself and others. As for female presidents, y’all are the majority of the electorate. Try actually running for office, and if not, at least go vote for women yourselves. This is your issue. Not ours. Hillary (who I voted for) didn’t win the suburban white female vote. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:07 PM
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Really? I’d love to see the source for that. I’m not saying it isn’t so, but I’d like to see those stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:04 PM
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I don’t think you get it. Let me start by saying I don’t think one sex is better than the other. But…. Firstly: Taken as a group, women consume more than they produce. Men produce more than they consume. IE.: women need mens resources and consume them either directly, or through government programs primarily funded by taxes on men. Secondly: yes, men have needs as well, but society by and large doesn’t care. Are you a man who can’t pay his child support? Jail or go hide. Are you a woman who can’…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:56 PM
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Same for being with a woman by this logic. Everyone sucks on some level, even you. And me. And your partner, if you’ve got one. We are built in pairs, but that doesn’t mean it’s always rosey.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:39 PM
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Yep. The quick answer is “become the person they desire as much as you can do so, and go from there”. Those hard-work answers aren’t popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:00 PM
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Your last sentence was the whole point. The whole point of the OP’s post. JFC, I’ve been both of the type of guys mentioned here. For one it’s hard work and almost no return. Then you pack on 20lbs of muscle and “hey beautiful” has crazy success rate. It’s literally the whole point of any post in this sub about OLD ever. Ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 08:29 PM
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You yourself claimed, right out of the gate, that it was “1 to 5%”. So, 12% of marriages, and 2.3 avg children per marriage…. 5.1% paternity fraud rate. That’s an amalgam of the 1-5% rate with no suspicion and the 20-40% rate with suspicion that you quoted. This also ignores that lower income people have a much higher rate of PF and they don’t always have the means/knowledge to ask for this testing. So besides being contrarian for the sake of it, what’s your problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:43 PM
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I do not make things up, and why would I bother? While I’m not above posting a link here and there, I never say anything that isn’t relatively easy to look up. If you think I’m lying, there’s a reference to who did the research for most of the points made. Go ahead and look. Up to you, but I don’t owe anyone a book report. The other stat you just pointed out (from behind the paywall) seems legit, and comports with common sense. It should also be noted that paternity uncertainty and outright frau…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:44 AM
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The first paper calls out immediately how contentious the subject and the research is, and doesn’t have a powerful sample size. It also shows peaks of 30% a century ago in some western countries. It’s all over the place. The 2nd one I’m pretty sure you didn’t even read, as it’s behind a paywall of $25, and over $300 if you subscribe for all articles. A quick internet search found that recently in the UK, between 10-20% of mothers were “unsure of the father of their child” according to their own …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 09:57 PM
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What I saw was around 12%, because suspicion isn’t relevant here. Just “did she or didn’t she?” I’m not a redpill guy, but truth-telling makes some women here assume I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:11 PM
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Called it! And I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:06 PM
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I made my wife wait weeks. Weeks! She later told me she started to wonder if I was in the closet before one of my coworkers ran her mouth and told her I’d fucked half the planet. To her credit, she didn’t judge me for it. She did ask why, and I told her the same thing you did- “I wanted you to like me for me and vice versa, then sex.” It worked out. 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:05 PM
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I sure was. They should lay off her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:01 PM
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I think some of the commentary here is abominable. I’m a man and had a hoe phase from 14-21 and again from 24-32. I don’t feel guilty about it, and I am now a happily married man with a super wife. I also am proud of my accomplished and well-adjusted daughters. Why can’t OP have a similar experience? While I understand how a girl’s past can give a guy pause, because past hoe-ishness is a powerful and statistically proven indicator of future behavior- consider your own past fellas. Were you an an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 06:50 PM
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I think there are two problems with this- 1- when we say it to women, it comes off as an accusation or a demand that they smile and giggle at people they would never f*ck. 2- they are allergic to admitting this kind of thing to themselves and each other, let alone to men. Put those two together, and that discussion is unlikely to ever go anywhere. 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:54 PM
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Exactly. Never trust self-reporting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:27 PM
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Bingo!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:26 PM
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As the former muscled bartender I can say that there’s a subset of women who may or may not be dating someone, but they’re sure as hell screwing these guys. I was one of them. (I’m reformed that way, and happily married). They don’t exclude 80% of men. That’s garbage. But, those guys jump through hoops just to maybe get a girlfriend. The top 5-10% just have to be available and discreet to get laid. This just is. I’d love to see what the 23andMe stats turn out to be on paternity fraud once they g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:24 PM
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Maybe? I’ve had a frontline view of dating dynamics for a long long time, but I’m not a psychologist. All I can say with confidence is I’ve watched female bartenders I’ve worked with treat the exact same behavior from attractive and unattractive men wildly differently. If he’s hot, it’s funny and sexy. If he’s not, he’s a fucking creep and I needed to bounce him out the door. Kinda shitty, but I truly don’t think they consciously know that they do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:15 PM
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Yeah, women suffer from many double standards and unfair judgements. What’s not well accepted is that us men do too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:12 PM
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Love the downvotes. Lol. The truth hurts, ladies?? To answer your question- I define it as someone who has bad intentions and hides them poorly. Skeezy. Slimy. 99% of the women I bartended with defined it as any unattractive man who paid them attention. They will deny it, but I think it’s unconscious and they don’t know they do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 05:13 PM
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Indirectly, but absolutely… over time. Slow burn but lasting results.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 04:08 PM
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I’ll grant you this- creepiness is far less about what a man says and much more about whether she’s attracted to him in the first place. I’ve watched this play out with the women I bartended with for years. The only difference between “omg” and “omg kick his ass and get him out of here” had virtually nothing to do with what a guy said. Just whether he was hot or not. But there is a creepy vibe even the hottest dudes can put out, and women can usually sniff out a creep pretty quickly on that leve…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:48 PM
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Women will approach who they want, and in a non-linear way they already do. If you ever find yourself out for the evening and a girl seems to keep cropping up in your line of sight… she’s into you probably. You know that thing where a girl is acting like she doesn’t know you’re watching her, but clearly she does know and isn’t trying to avoid it? Yeah, that. There are plenty of other tricks in their playbook, but that’s one of em anyway. There are a few conflicting dynamics going on here if wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:36 PM
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Honestly? Not everyone needs this, but get a Jordan Peterson book called “12 Rules for Life”. Start with the first rule and master it bit by bit. Small goals are attainable and build habits. In your case, these can replace bad habits. Keep those small victories going, and step through the rules one by one. This is the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:15 PM
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Nice analogy. Or is it a metaphor? All I know is it’s good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:29 AM
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To your point, the dating market is toxic right now, and I’m happy I’m married. Your advice is good, but people should still be aware of how groups of people actually act rather than how they think/say they act. Individuals will vary, and those are often “the one”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:22 AM
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Of the several things I’ve seen you post, this is the 1st one where I agree with every word of it. We do all these things, and our marriage is strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:18 AM
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Lying is terrible, but over sharing is stupid initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:13 AM
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That’s so weird, because I’m on TRT and one of the warnings is about possible extra production of estrogen. Warning signs include negative thoughts, and heightened emotions. They even ask if you’re getting teary-eyed at movies as a potential warning sign. So ummm, no, this post is bunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:33 AM
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Can confirm this. We aren’t wired up the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 12:30 AM
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Wrong again. Women have been financially independent for at least since the late boomers. Check a calendar on that. We’re at least 3 generations past that now. It’s a lack of stigma for being single and childless, online dating hypergamy, and other social upheavals. It’s a huge and multi-varied conversation, but financial independence ain’t it. If it’s a factor at all, it’s only in that women still usually marry up economically, and the number of men capable of earning more has shrunk (also a la…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 10:15 PM
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We’ll, you’d think wrong. Most men are ecstatic when they meet a partner who will only be a small drain on finances rather than a total drain on finances. Women have become more selective, which cuts some men out. That’s making them in particular “big mad”. Glad I’m not one of them, but I do feel for them. What’s made most men who are irritated, irritated, is the potpourri approach to equality, mixed with a hefty dose of implied superiority, and sprinkled with a non-accountability garnish. It fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 11:26 AM
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Their insight into the mind games and hidden agendas of those around us. That they care about the plight of others in a way so many men do not. And finally- that they provide a different perspective on life that men can learn from. (This goes both ways, and is a powerful shout out to the wonders of matrimony).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 05:29 PM
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Sigh… clearly you’ve never been a man dating women before. And just to head off the typical insults that get tossed back at me- I’m not bitter nor upset, and I was highly and conspicuously successful in my dating life, and I married a beautiful woman. Our relationship is strong. I just give real-world advice to other guys, because girls are not honest with us guys (let alone themselves) about what works and what doesn’t work in dating. Do better. Be better. Be fucking honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 05:27 PM
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I get this. I get all of this. But… I can say from being that guy in the past that 20% of guys are sleeping with maybe not 80% but at least half the women - Single, attached, and very much married. Women cheat at least as much as men do, and rarely admit to ONS activity or FWB. This shews infidelity and promiscuity stats, as they are mostly self-reported. Hey fellas, wanna get laid? Find a lady on vacation or a business trip. They are so very often DTF. They want it as much as we do, as long as …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:11 PM
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The luxury to hide from the law for their entire life? The luxury to drive nervously on a suspended license? The luxury of a growing debt they can never discharge? The luxury in many states of having their wages garnished? The luxury of never seeing a tax return? Sounds positively luxurious!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:07 PM
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I’ll agree that being poor isn’t great with the justice system, but I think it’s a little gendered with child custody. Ref: my example from earlier about my firefighter friend and his crackhead one night stand baby momma. It took more than a decade and six figures in legal costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:34 PM
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It is definitely sad, and society “people say” hasn’t caught up to recent law changes. There are other issues too. I hear this a lot “half of all fathers never even bother to file for custody”. Well, they don’t expect a knife fight in court, and aren’t prepared well for it when it comes. I also understand how so much of my experience in this is anecdotal, but I’ve heard so many men crying quite literally into their beer when I spent 19 years running bars. The pain and feeling screwed and exclude…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:18 PM
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Regardless, he single-handedly housed and raised the boy, and still had to send monthly checks for years. It took a full custody court win to end that. I know full custody is it’s own threshold , but “lives with mom and she gets paid by dad, the government, or both” is the standard. I do appreciate your candor and honesty here. These discussions are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:04 PM
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Some of this is due to recent law changes in some states, but not all. Some is due to “at best I spend a fortune to get halfway there”. Some is due to a father’s inability to hire an attorney ($$). Some, admittedly, is fathers who only care a little, or not at all. I personally know a firefighter who burned his retirement to get custody from a one night stand with a woman who turned out to be a crackhead, and had abandoned the son mostly for years. The boy was a teenager before he got full custo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:40 PM
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Shadiness is a different discussion. This about rights and agency under the law. Women (as long as SCOTUS gets their head out of their ass) have 100% agency and rights. Men are at the mercy of that agency and those rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:30 PM
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Vasectomies or access to condoms. It’s an idea? Maybe you should start a petition of something. I’d sign it I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:27 PM
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All this assumes she makes him aware of the pregnancy at all, which she is not obligated to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:00 PM
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Agreed in principle, but how would this really work in practice? <hot action starts> “here baby. Sign this.” <she pauses> “what? Sign what?”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 12:24 PM
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If we want a classic example of offloading all responsibility, we need look no further than the comment above.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 12:22 PM
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I’ve tried with this person before. Not a philosopher, or not the best one at least. She claims men would rather be popular with other men than with women because men have more male friends. Derp alert.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:11 AM
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She can legally hide the pregnancy. She can legally claim it’s someone else’s. She can legally move away and never say a word. So in reality she kinda can, or often can. Joint custody is generally a situation where she is the custodial parent, he only gets Wednesdays and every other weekend, and a large monthly bill. CS is determined by looking at the disparity in their incomes. If she’s unemployed he pays way more than if she’s a full time worker. Even if that changes, getting a payment reducti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:00 AM
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The whole point is that abortion occurs when she is surprised by a pregnancy. What about when he’s surprised?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:33 AM
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It’s not illegal for her to hide the pregnancy and childbirth. It’s not illegal for her to knowingly lie about who the father is to him “it’s not yours, Brad. It’s Bobby’s.” It’s not illegal for her to leave the father space blank on the birth certificate. Hell, it’s not illegal for her to move away the next day without telling him about it, then show up with a 10 year old and sue for child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:31 AM
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Pretty sure those decisions are up to her unless a crime is being committed (R-word). She makes the same choice he did to have sex. It’s up to her what type of birth control is used, including whether he wears a condom. She also has a cool ability to call out where she wants him to cum, and we almost always gleefully put it wherever she says. Us saying it’s a 50/50 responsibility up to the point of fertilization is just a charitable way for us to approach the subject with you - it’s your uterus …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:26 AM
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I don’t know about some of these TRP guys, but I’m 100% in support of Roe v Wade. I don’t want to take any agency away from women. If you read carefully, most of us here do not. We just want 10% of the agency you have in this matter. Basically, we’re asking for our own decision to opt in/out early on in a pregnancy. I hope women vote all these troglodytes out and we reinstate Roe fully. But what about all those years before the Supreme Court fucked that up? No agency for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:21 AM
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She is not required to name him on the birth certificate. It’s not illegal for her to hide a pregnancy and the birth of the child forever. She can also say it’s someone else’s. I personally know a young woman who told the father (paraphrased) “I don’t want you involved. You can try and take me to court, but we both know you can’t afford it, and good luck finding my new address anyway- I moved in with my new boyfriend under his name.” So to answer your question: this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:16 AM
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Thanks! So we agree 100% then! That’s all I (and a few million of us men) are asking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:10 AM
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You said it better than I did. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:06 AM
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Ummm… he will have to live under a rock, perpetually on the run. My wife’s ex has to do this. His license is basically suspended permanently, and there’s an open unenforced warrant. If he ever gets pulled over or gets into any trouble, he’s fucked. Thin air? Riiiight.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:20 PM
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I would never advocate forcing anyone to do anything, including abortion, or being a parent. Once a pregnancy happens, the mother should be able to decide if she wants it or not with zero input from the father. However, he should be able to opt in or opt out. If he doesn’t want to be a parent, I could see him being forced to pay for the price of an abortion whether she decides to actually get one or not, but his obligation ends there. If he decides he wants in, then he should have nearly equal s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:18 PM
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You’re not listening. Each partner is equally culpable for an unplanned pregnancy. However there’s a worthy argument for saying more of that responsibility lies with the owner of the uterus. Either way, let’s call it 50/50. She can choose whether or not she wants to be a parent. He cannot. He must live with her choice. She can choose whether to include or exclude him as a parent. He must live with her decision unless he wants to go to court, and he might lose. She can choose whether to work more…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:53 PM
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When it comes to dating and dating advice… I would tell any guy who asked to go ask his female friends for advice first. Follow every hygiene and fashion hint they give. Then, take all the other advice and do the exact opposite. Their advice on this is almost universally disastrous. No, I don’t know why, and I won’t try to muse on it speculatively. I’ve worked mostly with women in my life in the bar biz, and I’ve been asked by them for dating advice many times. I always offer the following, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 06:14 PM
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I take your point, but that analogy was terrible. Good point though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:58 PM
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Honest. Fit. Mentally stable. Yes. I do meet these.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 05:48 PM
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Bingo. But being jerky would likely raise the chance of a bad response.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:42 PM
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Best stats I can find are that 1:20 either is a sex offender or would be if the opportunity arises. So, 95% of men are safe, and will likely help a woman in distress from another man. But that 5% are evil shits that paint us all as predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:40 PM
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Well I’m about to turn 50, Ms Correctenator. So what now?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:50 PM
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That’s you. You’re an exception. Most people, and especially men looking at women, are not this way. We have a biological drive for the most fertile women. Those are the young ones I’m afraid. Sure, a 22 year old woman will get quickly annoying to a man my age- but like most men I’d find out after a sex session or ten. Youth is sexy. Always was. Always will be. I think a relationship threshold is a very different question than what causes physical attraction. Let’s not confuse the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:48 PM
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I agree that people get better internally with age. However, physical attractiveness is firmly rooted in youth. It’s not a social construction, and it’s non-negotiable. It just is. When I’m walking down the street, I know that I will turn less female heads at 50 than I did at 25, and I don’t need to extol the wonders of my superior mental maturity to make me feel better about that fact. Granted, you and I both have far more to offer nowadays, but we still aren’t as immediately attractive to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:12 PM
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To be honest, the whole situation threw me for a loop. I was a bit off balance and not looking to argue technicalities with a teenager’s mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:50 PM
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I briefly dated a much younger woman once. She was a knockout. Truly stunning. She hit on me while I was bartending, and I gladly and foolishly took the bait. She was 21 to my almost 30. I wasn’t super comfortable with that, but she was a 10/10, screwed like a rabid minx, and enthusiastically let me do all the things. Like all the things. Very immature, but I dealt with it for that month. She seriously ate into my cash flow too, but with how she looked and what she was doing with me daily, I was…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:37 PM
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One of the problems we face in this sub, particularly from my fellow males, is Boolean thinking. Not everything is purely true/false, nor purely dependent on a single input. As my father always told me “black and white are great on paper, but reality exists in the grey areas.” I truly believe this hurts some of these dudes in the dating game as well. They want hard-coded values for everything, and humans are more complex than that. Thanks for a thoughtful discussion. Things get snarky quickly he…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 02:20 PM
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I think we agree more than disagree here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 11:05 AM
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I can see some of this as a baseline, but simian complexity and furthermore human complexity overlay this. It’s more complex, as we are more complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 09:46 PM
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Why not? You’ve implied my stupidity repeatedly. Tit for tat I suppose. In truth, if you read what I wrote then you’ll know my hope is that you’re feigning it. Either way, not being able to infer things isn’t a good look. One needn’t be high, nor mounted, nor mounted on a high horse to find a lack of inference ability a bit suspicious. Oh, and I’ll stay on whatever subreddit I please. I’m not breaking any rules here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 09:26 PM
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I think you just devolved sexual selection a bit too far, as it’s not so much personal preference as “instinctually preferred by one sex of a species but not necessarily a more survivable trait”. The Irish deer didn’t go extinct because “some deer happen to love huge antlers, it’s a personal preference.” Instinct drove sexual selection among the female Irish deer, until the antlers were so big it couldn’t access its food sources effectively and died out. Also, “not universal” isn’t the best way …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 09:24 PM
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Fair points. Maybe a bit of both?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 09:18 PM
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I might be rude. I’ll take that. However, it’s born out of justified impatience at either feigned ignorance or utter inanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:58 PM
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Large breasts are “sexual selection”. Google it, as I don’t want to bother explaining it. Saggy breasts indicate “not young” and “already has someone else’s kids”. Remember that in all of this we have the complication of long pregnancy with mate support, and ridiculously long rearing with mate support… all of which revolve around fidelity of paternity… so his logic stands. At the end of the day, we need to remember this: social constructions are an outgrowth of instinct, rather than the other wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 07:20 PM
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Large breasts… google “sexual selection”. Same mechanism for large penises.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 07:17 PM
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Your first question can be thrown right back in your face. The second one is yet another example of “if I have to explain it…”. So, I think we’re done here. You’re tiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 07:11 PM
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“People I’ve met” - Lovely anecdotes you got there. Sorry about/for the BF!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:55 AM
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Humans are almost universally less pleasant without sex, whether that is voluntary or not. Regular, consensual sex is powerfully correlated to good mood and positive outlook. Lack of sex has the opposing correlation. FFS, I had to explain it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 02:57 PM
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Correct: you have no idea where I was going with that. Your bad. Ask around.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 09:07 PM
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Lol. I love that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 12:50 PM
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The answer is absolutely encouraging more couples to happen. Better outcomes for both sexes, children, neighborhoods, and society at large. This isn’t a controversial claim. As for forcing women to specifically do anything romantic- I’m against it. Higher paying jobs? Heck yes. Convincing men or women that they don’t need sex? Nope. Biology matters, and history is full of horrific societies that repress or shame or try to logic their way out of human sexual needs. Nope. Won’t go there at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 12:49 PM
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If I have to explain it, there’s no use in us having further discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 12:45 PM
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Ever spent time around a nun? I have. Not fun. Not fun at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 11:03 PM
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Truth. We do all these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:12 PM
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Hell no. No. Noooooo!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:11 PM
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I feel this way too, but one of the big predictors of societal instability, crime, violence, and decline is large swaths of unmarried/sexless men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:07 PM
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I don’t know. My anecdotal experience as a bartender says when you’re hot you’re hot, and when you’re not you’re not. I went from a few people a year to a dozen or more per year once I started lifting weights and tending bar. My “new buddies” were in the same sphere. Attractive, fit, over 6’, and covered in female attention. (I’m not 6’, booooo)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:04 PM
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Have my fake Gold Award! Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:02 PM
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Institute for Faith Studies. Sounds like a legit, reliable source of data. Did you know kissing, rock music, and close dancing can cause pregnancy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:59 PM
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MGTOW is kinda stupid in practice, but not in theory. When a relationship occurs, or more specifically if marriage and/or children happen, men have little to no agency, but tons of responsibility. Ex: you are both equally “at fault” for a pregnancy. She can choose whether she wants to be a parent or not. A man is reliant on her decision alone, and if she decides to be a parent, he is on the hook for it financially unless he wants to hide under a rock forever. Once the baby is born, she doesn’t h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:24 PM
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Sigh…. Someone needs to work at night. Someone needs to be a cop, firefighter, soldier, mechanic, construction worker… these things all involve physical risk, and someone must do them. Someone must go pick up ____ from the store at midnight. Someone must climb that ladder to get kitty out of the tree. Someone must mow the lawn and cut down that tree in the backyard. If you offload those things on us to do, you can’t then claim intellectual superiority for not dying while doing them. So… men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:26 PM
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Thank you for answering instead of saying “men suck”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:52 PM
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And doing all the dangerous (and necessary) work…. Holy victim-blaming, Batman. I guess we also need to castigate women for wrecking women’s self esteem by writing Cosmo articles on how you aren’t pretty enough, verbally bullying other girls into bulimia, and designing clothing better suited to skeletons then human women? Glad men are off the hook there. Phew!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:50 PM
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I can accept this answer. It’s honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:32 PM
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I get that, but I’m not making a claim. Im asking why, against the stats for risk, we are prioritizing safety for the less at-risk group.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:31 PM
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Again, regardless of where the risk comes from, men are at more risk of assault, injury, and death. So why is t the emphasis on their safety, or at least equally so?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:30 PM
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That’s a heck of a way to completely miss the point. Day to day, women are at less risk than men. However, we prioritize women’s safety as a society, and women as a group score as more afraid when polled. This isn’t a call for women to take more risks. It’s asking why we assume women are at risk and tell women they are at risk. Men are comparatively at higher risk in all but a single arena, and recent stats make that far closer to even than we would’ve guessed. So why is the emphasis personally …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 08:28 PM
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Sorta agree- I’ll narrow that down a bit more to make it more accurate… Women think they’re good communicators with men, but they’re only good communicators with other women. Same situation for men with women. Does that work for ya?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:07 PM
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The basic one is pretty simple to get- if she’s not locked down with focus on you, or making incidental physical contact (touches your arm etc periodically), she ain’t into it. Move on. Too many guys mistake a lack of “fuck off” for “maybe it’s a possibility”. It isn’t a possibility. The more complex stuff that has a lot of counter-intuitive stuff is a whole other thing to unravel.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:20 PM
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Not super common at all, but it just takes 1:100 dudes acting that way to you or a story from a friend to make this impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:10 PM
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A little empathy here. I’m a guy and I get these signals. It could’ve been the years bartending. It could be because I score quite like a woman on the 5 points personality scale. I don’t know. However, I’ve known so many men that don’t get it. At all. It’s easy for a woman to roll her eyes and ask “how clueless are men out there?” That’s fine, as long as you at least consider that there’s a whole world of male communication that you don’t get either. We are horrible at understanding each other. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:04 PM
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You are a sane and rational person, or at least this comment seems rooted in that mindset. Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 07:16 PM
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Keep in mind that these “studies” are mainly self reporting. Who brags vs who deflects? See my comment above for a slightly different take on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 06:56 PM
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Here’s the thing: bragging vs hiding. I’ll give you three guesses which sex does more of each. These studies are exclusively “self reported”. While I will admit what I’m going to say below is technically anecdotal, it’s anecdotal observation of large groups, so is it really anecdotal? 1- 19 years of bartending and some of it at all-male-revues - more cheating by women, and by a long shot too. The difference is being able to lie without a visible “tell”, being far more careful to cover their trac…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 06:11 PM
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I was with you until you said “men being less likely to admit infidelity”. On what planet is this so? Certainly not the little blue sphere the humans inhabit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 01:12 PM
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As long as we fix the system for what happens with money and assets, then go for it. If my wife wants gone, then get gone. I love her, but I don’t want to be with anyone who doesn’t want to be with me. She’s said it a few times before during an argument. I know she didn’t mean it, but I wanted to head off that bullshit once and for all, and called out “do it or don’t bring it up again. I’ll get sick of hearing it and make that shit real.” No, she didn’t take that well, but I stopped hearing it f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:55 PM
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Bingo. When you have options, you get really picky. I’d take any offer pretty much until I’d been lifting weights and bartending for a couple years. I got instantly picky AF. So I get it when women are picky. Having options makes you picky, and it becomes ingrained over the years. Seeing the state of dating reinforces my joy in being solidly married. I’m happy regardless, but this shit scares me if we ever split up. Nightmare out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:46 PM
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I’m neither, just wondering why you’re so desperate to be a hater. Remember, you commented on my stuff. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 04:29 PM
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Hater. Lol. It did. Since this is an anonymous platform, why the fuck would I make it up? If this was Facebook, I’d never say any of the things I say here. Sorry about your dating life. Mine was great.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 04:04 PM
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Nah. I used to watch guys simp away with girls who would head to my apartment the next morning. I had a girl knock on the office door of my bar to apologize for walking in with a date (we’d been fooling around once a week or so in the afternoons) and she blew me in the office. If you’re lucky, it rains sex. If not, you struggle. I’ve been on both sides of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 03:31 PM
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You’re talking to a retired player. Married these days, but let’s just say I had a lot of fun from the wing house. When you have options, you get picky. Ref: women have options, and they are picky too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 01:38 PM
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I think you missed my point. I wasn’t saying why cheating happens, just that while people are actually in the act of fucking…. It’s about fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:45 AM
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Bwahahahahahahaaaaaa. Sure. That’s what they’re doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:31 AM
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It gets met with some vitriol if you admit you ever had those opportunities. Can confirm.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:30 AM
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It sure is while they’re screwing. Puh-lease.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:29 AM
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There are some logical errors here, but I take your point that extraneous gender behavior differences exist that are societal. Those shift. However, there are biological differences between the sexes. The fact that some small percentage of people don’t fit easily into these categories doesn’t negate those innate differences. For instance, the human hand can be said to have five fingers. There are exceptions to this, but that doesn’t negate the “generalization”. While we’re at it, generalizations…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 07:52 PM
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Yes. I am an old, tired piece of shit. Slow too, it seems. Keep going. Get it all out. Whatever makes you feel better. Also, and I mean this from the bottom of my ancient piece of shit heart- sorry about your dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:48 PM
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I’m a piece of shit? Cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:38 PM
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Look bro, I had nothing negative to say about anything apart from your attitude, which is shite. SDE I think is about your attitude, as anyone who claims you have it wouldn’t know what you’re packing yet. The attitude, good sir. It needs work. Trust, it isn’t the size of your junk that’s keeping you from living your best life unless it’s a micro. They really, truly, care far less than you think. Calm the fuck down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 08:29 PM
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Again, you ain’t the boss of me. I’ll do and say as I damned well please, and I don’t owe it to you to sing an ode to your pecker. Trust though, it’s fine, and she’s probably fine with it too unless you carry this energy into your romantic interactions with women. Suddenly, SDE makes sense to me. Please, bro, calm the eff down. For you. For any potential “her” out there too. Read the post. It’s fine to be whatever you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 08:17 PM
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Again, you misinterpreted “perfect for most” to mean “acceptable”. You also glossed over the whole “doesn’t matter much to them” part, as well as the “as long as it isn’t under 4 inches” part. And who required me to describe how incredible a 4.5” dick is? You? Sorry, but I don’t work for you. 4.5” is perfectly fine for most ladies, unless you stress about it or don’t know how to use it. You’ve got the first part fucked up already. So who is out of touch here? Please, improve your reading compreh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 02:44 PM
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The research exists, so why ask people to call that out personally? Maybe I’m missing something, to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:52 PM
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What does that mean “put this in the bio”? Also thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:51 PM
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The truth as far as I’ve seen it is the female half of a heterosexual relationship is generally in charge. If it’s the male half, he’s probably “a controlling asshole.” Sometimes, she’ll let her guy think he’s running things, but nah, he isn’t. I’m a guy, and I’m fine with it. For instance, I run the cash and finances. By that, I mean I make nearly all the money and pay all the bills, and everything else too. But how much do I actively spend myself? Almost nothing. The requests come in regardles…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 12:11 AM
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Surely you can look this up instead of being weird about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:57 PM
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Because it’ll bring on the big one. The one that starts to sound like a porn movie. Note- they’re all different, so for some this won’t work, but it should
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:21 PM
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For the boys on here, who just refuse to believe women: Im not a Chad per se but got to live the life you imagine they do throughout my 20s. The wife and I, after 17 years together, have been swinging regularly for a year or so. I’ve had some startlingly candid convos with women and I can say some things with total confidence about how women think about dicks. Here we go, and ladies, correct me wherever I’m incorrect: 1- guys care more about dick size than girls do by a LOT. Mostly they just don…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:30 PM
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Troll
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 08:35 PM
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FFS you’re still sticking to a debunked point. Just because men spend more time befriending other men doesn’t mean a damned thing about who they’d rather be popular with. It’s been explained to you why this is so, and why these two things are unrelated, miss “I’m not a man but understand them better than they understand themselves”. I’m not the one who looks silly here. Ok, I mean it. I’m done. It’s like talking to a framed portrait of Kermit the frog.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:54 PM
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You got so close there! Congrats! Well, almost… Men do prefer to be popular with women. It’s actually one of our primary drivers for existence and one of the key metrics we judge our success by, and the success of other men by. It’s everything to us. ref: the biological history of sexual reproduction over the last half a billion years or so. Please, just accept this basic truth that any honest man can repeat back to you. I think part of the breakdown in understanding here relates to a conflation…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 11:11 AM
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I’m not insulting you, I’m describing you. And please cool it with your repeated and inane assumptions about men, including this particular one. If you knew what you could and couldn’t know, you wouldn’t say the things you say. In any case, it seems you require the last word, so go ahead and have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 10:34 AM
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It’s also fundamental to point out that we should stay in our lane if we want dating success. If you’re a poor, overweight person with an odd face… stop chasing models. If you’re not a model, stop chasing models.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:32 PM
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You continue to showcase your myopathy. Men are more often friends with other men as a matter of convenience, access, and for mutual interests and attitudes. Sure. Of course. No shit. But who would they rather be popular with? That was the question, after all. Answer: Women. Period. Full stop. You act as if there is free and unfettered choice in the matter, and that forming friendships is the only driver of who we would rather be popular with. Sigh… In other news, dogs could eat steaks or dog fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:35 PM
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More feigned humility mixed with arrogance. I might make assertions about the nature of women, but would likely defer to you, as a woman, on these issues. You lack that apparently, radfem. Not a surprise. Enjoy your unfounded opinions. I’m sure they provide comfort only you can understand, much like the odor of your own flatulence. Breath deep. It’s so good!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:27 PM
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How do they treat the wait staff at a restaurant? How is their temper? (You’ll have to go past the first few dates for this one). Do they have a lot to say, negatively, about your friends and family? Run! As unsexy as it is, he should be just a smidge nervous on a first date. If not, he either doesn’t like you enough for a LTR, or he’s a playa. This last bit is important- you are not going to fix this person. Say it to yourself like a mantra. When it’s safe to do so, leave. Do not confront them …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:25 PM
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You’ve got a black belt in being wrong. Ask any man who he’d rather be popular with. Oh wait, you don’t need to. You just observe and understand us better than we under ourselves. Gotcha! What else do we not know about ourselves, oh wise one?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:05 PM
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This same logic, applied to yourself, would cause you to apologize and zip it. But sure, keep being one of these women who thinks they understand men better than they understand themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:03 PM
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Holy shit. On this too? How many ways can you be wrong at once? Men are FAR more interested in being liked by women than by other men. FFS, go read a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:34 AM
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And you’ve proved nothing other than that you have an opinion and made personal observations that most men would quietly snicker at. You’ve claimed many men don’t enjoy it. The studies and the biology are abundantly clear on this. The overwhelming majority of men do. Just ask them anonymously, as we have a habit of telling y’all what you want to hear. You also claimed a man knows no more about other men than you do. (And claimed you know more). That’s hilarious. Most men enjoy casual sex, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:32 AM
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I think you should maybe seek out some anonymous polling from men, rather than your anecdotal observations and conversations. Assuming you do so, I won’t require an apology nor a “you were right”. Here’s 90 seconds of Google. https://www.psypost.org/2022/04/casual-sex-generally-leads-to-more-positive-emotional-outcomes-for-men-than-for-women-study-finds-62910?amp=1 https://thoughtcatalog.com/christine-stockton/2015/08/men-explain-why-they-prefer-casual-relationships-and-what-you-could-do-to-chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:10 AM
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Agreed! I think it’s easy to get lumped into the extremes of a “side”. If a male complains about child custody issues, it’s easy to lump him into the MRA community and dismiss him. If a female complains about being talked over at work meetings, it’s easy to just lump her into a community and dismiss her. No one is listening. Women deal with men minimizing their issues, angry incels, and still deal with some old school sexism. For men, we face apathy or outright hostility from a large percentage …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:55 AM
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I appreciate you. We need many many more of you, and maybe one or two more of me. Lol. I’ve concerned myself with fairness, utility, and justice (pre 2020 definition) since I was a teenager in the 80s. Back then, I could see the progress toward a fair and just society, but could also see that work still needed to be done. I couldn’t understand why anyone cared if someone was gay. I didn’t understand why we shamed “sluts” and celebrated “studs”. I would get angry when my male peers would dismiss …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:02 AM
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No. No. No. No. You are not a man, and have as much insight into what makes us tick as we do about you. Like most of the blanket statements I’ve heard about men from women, this one is hilariously wrong. You thinking you know better and actually voicing it is what causes these problems. You. Don’t. Know. This is not to say that casual sex, to the exclusion of a real relationship, is the way to go. However, nearly all men enjoy casual sex as it occurs, and are happy to get it, and are also happy …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 09:59 PM
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You are misconstruing what I said. Utterly. Stupid inconsequential shit can end her “idea of you” so don’t offer a ton of details. Just go with the flow. NOWHERE did I say “lie to her” nor “lie to her about who you are”. Calm down.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 09:54 PM
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I disagree with your characterization. Not offering up a bunch of details is a good move. That’s not the same as lying outright about who you are. Again, something as insipid a favorite ice cream flavor can derail a first date. Sad but true. So, don’t offer a bunch of details. That’s not at all “lie to her about who you are”. You can be upset about it if you like, but it’s solid advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 09:53 PM
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Fair
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 09:48 PM
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Agreed on all fronts. Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:25 PM
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Men organize very well, and all of history is evidence of this. It’s just in terms of male vs female in societies where womens’ rights are important to men that we see this sort of issue. The Middle East doesn’t have this issue. They certainly have issues, but not these ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:24 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree on all but a single point- in every country where men decide they want to get together to rule over women, they do. Here in the West, most of us do not want this, so we don’t do this. Trust, men organize very well. Ever heard of an army?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:21 PM
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I never once asked my wife these questions. She did offer up some info after we started dating. I still didn’t give a shit. Well, I got a little jealous I suppose, but ya just swallow it as a juvenile mental response and move on. (It wasn’t that high at all, but she was worried what I’d think.). Seriously, it only matters if she’s been banging your friends, or so many people that others whisper when you walk into a restaurant. Even then, fuck em. They don’t matter. She does. You do. No one else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:08 PM
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I’ve been married for ages now, with exes that are still friendly. So… who the hell are you again? You responded in my comment thread, so one would assume you read what I wrote. I just encourage guys to listen more, speak less, and don’t offer too many details right out of the gate. Clearly, that’s lying about who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:02 PM
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No one said that but you. Just you. I suppose you should just attempt to lay out any possibly embarrassing detail about yourself immediately on a date. It’s a good strategy. Or not. Do you just out yourself with everything right out of the gate? I doubt it, keyboard warrior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:58 PM
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This is sorta true. We make a lot of allowances on dates because we’re primarily (but not exclusively) the job seeker, rather than the interviewer. Men are kinda gross and desperate that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:56 PM
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Nor yours I imagine. Enjoy your involuntary solitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:52 PM
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There’s a difference between actively deceiving someone and not laying out every detail that might cause a first date to end. For men, those can be derailed by something as insipid as your favorite ice cream flavor. You don’t say every damned thing you could during a job interview either, and the overlap between first dates and job interviews are many and powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:50 PM
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Mighty bold of you, (and gender-typically dismissive of what men say), to claim “they only think they do.” We do. Almost all of us do. Your feelings and self-affirming guesses are irrelevant in the matter. Tell me all about your experiences as a man. I’m sure they’re profound and insightful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:43 PM
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He's Just Not That Into You PG-13 2009 ‧ Romance/Comedy ‧ 2h 9m If I could force my daughters to watch anything upon turning 18, it would be this. But as most fathers know, you ain’t forcing your daughters to watch anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:54 AM
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I used to give similar dating advice to friends. “If she wants to date, she has an idea in her head of who you are, and she wants to date that. Every time you talk about yourself, you run a powerful risk of shattering her inner narrative. Shut the fuck up about yourself and ask her about her. She’ll like that anyway. Everyone does.” It works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:51 AM
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We like it. A lot. Just not as much as with someone we feel connected with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:49 AM
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Buuuuuullllshit. Most of my high school friends weren’t drowning in girls wanting to get with them. I don’t know that I was either, but I always had at least one or two interested in dating me that I was aware of. We hung out together constantly. They still joke about my constant ____ing in high school, and I’m 49. Maybe part of the reason I had success was being nice to people even if they couldn’t help me get laid, and being a friendly human to girls I wasn’t trying to screw. Jeezus
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:47 AM
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I’m a man. I never had trouble dating, as compared to this sub’s stories. I’m happily married. Yet I’m here commenting several times a week. Why? We’ve had pretty similar dating and marriage dynamics for the past several thousand years, which grew out of tribal relationships going back nearly a quarter million years, which grew out of more animalistic pair-mating for millions of years, which grew out of mammalian sexual dimorphism and mating for tens of millions of years. About a century ago, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 01:08 AM
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My wife admits he’s an attractive man, but “meh. He doesn’t do it for me.” But the actor from Outlander sure does. Attraction is weird. A friend of mine who has no filter once asked me, “I’ve seen you date hotter girls, so why her (my future wife)”. He didn’t see what I saw. Dating leagues are absolutely a thing, but individuals will make their own judgements.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:53 PM
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Won’t there also be AI bots that give women what they want? It’s not just men that aren’t happy with the state of dating/romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 01:32 PM
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I got into a days long debate with someone who was stuck on the “this is just an excuse for old guys to chase young girls” thing. I don’t know what emotional trauma she was stuck in, but it was tiresome. Evolution says we would find late teens to early twenties women the most attractive. Sure. Ok. It seems like men in their late twenties to early thirties are highest attractiveness for women. But 50? GTFOH. NO WAY. NO CHANCE. I’m almost 50 now. I look 10 years younger than my age. I lift weights…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:13 AM
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That’s fair, though I’d imagine we have an evolutionary driver that makes most of us want one in the end. Every time my desires win out against my logic, I assume it’s likely for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:53 AM
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Yeah. Google it. It sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:20 PM
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I’ve posted in this sub before that I once had a Chad life. It was fun but the OP nailed at least one thing: it gets old and boring and lonely. Back then sex came easy, I went where I wanted when I wanted, 100% of my cash was mine, no one complained at me or bugged me to do things for them, or told me how I could be a better person. It was liberating, and yet I’m far happier now. Why? Men want committed relationships too, though it takes some of us a while to figure things out (translation: find…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:53 PM
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Not trying to irritate anyone but- Women give the worst possible advice on dating. I don’t know that this is intentional, and I tend to doubt that it’s intentional. However, it has something close to a 100% fail rate. I would advise any male friend I had to ask his female friends for advice, and then do as close to the opposite as possible. Notable exceptions include things related to your personal appearance. Example: smell good, iron your clothes, shave. Everything else is hot flaming garbage …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:06 PM
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Bingo. Just as we can rightfully be accused of not listening to women, they can similarly be accused of hearing what they want to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:32 AM
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Saw this in the military as well. Maybe, just maybe, these physical standards are there for lifesaving reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 05:33 PM
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I don’t think the economic crashes have been due to, nor mainly occurred under, democratic presidents - but I take you point fully. Where did DNC support of unions go?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 05:22 PM
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Disclaimer- not all ____, just far too many to ignore or blow off. Sorta yeah with the whataboutism? But I haven’t seen this one in particular play out 50/50 nor even close to 50/50. Seen it too many times, and lived with it too many times. In USAF technical training, the girls all went for the student leaders. Dorks. All dorks. But they were chased by most of the girls, and they didn’t give a shit if that dude was already attached. As soon as I put on my stripes (I’d been to college already), I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:06 PM
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Wild oversimplification and worse, but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:46 PM
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I wouldn’t go so far into doom and gloom but the online dating thing is half the problem. The other half is that we do not require accountability nor a sober look at reality from our growing girls when it comes to dating. Well… we do remind them about pregnancy (his fault), and about dangerous men, but we don’t do those correctly either. In that last regard, I’ve just told my daughters the unvarnished truth. I trust them, with occasional reminders, to chart their own course. 1- 19 out of 20 men …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:15 PM
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I think some of this is just plain old malfeasance or man-hating. Oh, and male teachers grade fairly. Go figure. I encountered this at university back in the early 90s when I wrote a paper that disagreed politically with my professor, and related to gender dynamics. Previously, I’d gotten all A’s and glowing commentary. After that, it was a struggle to get a B on a paper. The rest I think is an overreach to get the public school system equally beneficial to boys and girls. Now it’s catered speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:33 PM
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Several studies shown that female teachers grade-down boys’ papers and grade-up girls’ papers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:57 AM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:33 AM
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Same here to a degree. I’m on the left, but less and less so over Post Modernist thinking (intellectual garbage), wokeism (intellectual garbage that requires you to know nothing of history), and unrelenting man-bashing that is neither factually accurate nor helpful. If I wasn’t successful dating and now happily married, I’d probably be a redpill devotee. I do t think I’d have ever been suckered by Trump, but the Democratic Party has lost my support. I just decide each election if the GOP person …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:31 AM
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It’s an interesting topic. Things haven’t evolved that much with human dating, and mating for around 200,000 years, and then suddenly it started to shift in the last 100-150 years. It might seem like a long time, but compared with the rest it’s very recent. In fact, most of the big changes have been in the last two generations. Maybe three at most. It’s a blip in time. So, there will be upheaval. It’ll be worth it in the end, but things are certainly not a stasis right now. It’s fascinating and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:13 AM
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Thank you! I had to screw up plenty before I met my future wife- and I tried a different approach. 17 years we’ve been together. Turns out, we can learn and adjust. Jeez.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:14 PM
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Hardly! If someone makes a NSA offer, you’re neither obligated nor is it advisable, to try and take that anywhere else than to a one night stand or recurring FWB situation. I didn’t try to jump on top of my wife right away, because that wasn’t the deal. She didn’t act like we were going to hit it, and didn’t offer herself up that way either. How the hell is this dishonest? No one lied to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:13 PM
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Fair. They don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 07:02 PM
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Yeah for real. I was never an incel, but I wasn’t king-shit-of-the-universe growing up either… but I lifted a lot of weights in the USAF and picked up bartending. I got to see a whole other side of life- and the secret life of women as well. To be 100% fair, a powerful percentage of women aren’t like this at all and we cannot conflate “some” with “all” any more than we want women to call all men bullying, sexist, single-minded rape apologists. So, keep in mind that this story I tell only represe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:55 PM
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I don’t know… according to modern standards I might be an evil misogynist, but way back in the 80’s I was like “why is it cool for him but not for her?” I understand the evolutionary motivations for avoiding marriage there. Truly I do, but this is the 21st century. My attitude back then led to lots of appreciation from some girls that my friends wouldn’t date -and some useful education when I admitted I didn’t know how to effectively do this or that. Also learning to never kiss and tell led to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:34 PM
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If I had a gold award available, it would be all yours. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:29 PM
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I agree on that particular example as a bad one, but as a former sorta Chad looking dude, it is kinda that way. No effort but laid. Not asking, but blown. Not inviting guests but they “swing by to say hi for a minute” in the afternoon while BF/hubby is at work. It’s amazing what lifting some weights did for all that. It did not improve my opinion of the other sex at all. Add in years of bartending with some of it at All-Male-Reviews, and there’s more than a smidge of truth to this person’s unrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 11:45 AM
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I don’t hate women, but I do see some societal imbalances and double standards I don’t like. Last time I heard, you can be a feminist and not hate men; so is that possible for everyone, or does this only work in one direction? (ref: first sentence of this comment). You’ll also notice I said “almost an MRA’. The word “almost” is called a qualifying adjective. They tend to be important. Uh oh, did I explain something mansplain? Oh dear. My apologies. Much like I don’t appreciate some of the moral …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 10:52 AM
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Depending on our moods, and the subject, we can all suck a bit. Give any two people enough time and they’ll find a thing they disagree vehemently on. As the number of people in the discussion increases, the chance for outrage grows geometrically. Social media isn’t helping any of this. Not at all. I totally understand why my parents’ generation thought discussing religion and politics was rude. I hope this subreddit gets better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:42 AM
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I faked it well. Confidence is sexy in anyone, and just as guys will mistake narcissism for confidence, I’ve watched a lot of my female friends do the same. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Some people suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 10:12 PM
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To be honest, I don’t know if I understand AFBB fully, but I might be an example? I never had a problem dating or “getting some”, but my wife came fully equipped with a 9 and 1.5 year old. Of course, the father was an absentee, violent, drunk bassist in a band. Granted, I was a weightlifting bartender who drank and fought… just not women and kids. And I was nice. In fact, she even said (years later) that she thought I was too nice and it wouldn’t have worked if I didn’t have the edgy thing of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 07:37 PM
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Not sure what you’re on about. I said that men will continue to do what they need to in order to keep even semi-bland sex coming. If TRP explicitly says to lie your ass off and ghost, I’d like to see where it says that. Maybe it does? I’m not an RP devotee. I’m more of an almost MRA that doesn’t harbor hate for women. I just want things to settle into an equitable stasis: a true purple pill. In any case, whether RP says to do a thing or not, what I described is how men operate generally. And it …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 07:06 PM
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I don’t think it’s necessarily harmful from the get-go, but it should come with some disclaimers, and advocate for understanding women in mens’ terms - rather than advocating for circumventing women’s instincts to “trick em into bed”. Much of the factual basis of RP I’ve watched when I was a bartender, but I wasn’t bitter about it (because I was gettting laid a lot). What I hate about it is the healthy dose of misogyny I see in it. Also, the failure to acknowledge that womens’ bs exists but is j…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:59 PM
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Not sure if you’re a man or not, but I’d encourage you to ask some. If you are a man, and you don’t/didn’t operate this way when single, it’s YOU that are the outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:37 PM
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I’m not an RP devotee per se, and find a lot of that content objectionable, but I think you’re taking a narrow subset and painting it across the whole of RP. Yes, those people are part of it, but it is so much more. This dismissive take is part of the problem. Most of RP is just telling men that what society and women say they want in a potential mate isn’t true, because by-and-large it isn’t. This was a hard lesson for me (way way pre-RP’s existence), and my dating life fucking soared when I fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:16 PM
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Well, whether TRP believes this or not, it’s still true. I’m a man, and trust this is how we operate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:28 PM
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That’s just the problem. Our anecdotal experiences are only relevant to us. When they contradict multiple studies, it’s time to question our “my truth” stance, not the studies. This is how knowledge works. Reverting back to “my truth” from “objective truth” brings us to a pre-Enlightenment era, and makes a lot of room for bullshit, deflection, and self-delusion. I see a lot of it lately. It makes me sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:26 PM
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Maybe I’m just getting old, but you caught my drift. I can’t believe it was 20 years ago already.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:41 PM
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She’s pretty aware of it? 🤷🏻‍♂️ duh?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 09:25 PM
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17 years together, not 18, and married for most of it. - and I was texting and getting texted frequently in 2000, and a little before that too. How old are you?? Are you even 18 yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 09:23 PM
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Hahahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 09:20 PM
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I’m 49 years old, so I probably misunderstood what basement. So sorry!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:38 PM
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Agreed. 💯 I actually made my wife wait for nearly a month. I was getting laid elsewhere left and right when we met- and I had ideas about her and I in the future. I didn’t want to create the wrong situation in her head and especially in my own head. “Anything worthwhile in life isn’t easy.” She actually wondered if I was in the closet… until we did it, and did it, and did it some more. We’ve been together 17 years now. Going stronger than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:33 PM
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Gotta be honest here- for most of us, if the sex was even sorta good, we are fully in for more and more of it. Keep that in mind. But I’ve also seen men lie through their teeth to get sex. I can’t even say I’ve always been 100% honest about everything (same goes for women and we all know this), but I’ve never lied about my intentions. I’ve certainly been lied to that way before though, and gotten a bit of reputation destruction as vengeance for not thinking one session of sex equals the start of…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:28 PM
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Bitter, trolling, or jealous? I can’t tell which?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:10 PM
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Gotta meet the right one I guess. Imagine this: I was bartending and had several weekly visitors per week to my apartment to “say hi for a minute”. It was great, and I had a couple group experiences including a full fledged three way fling with two roommates that went on for months. I woke up when I wanted to. I had whatever hobbies I wanted. All my money was my money. My plans were my plans…. Ask yourself what would be so good that you’d drop all that? The real and mutual love of another human …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:07 PM
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Yep. And his mom made him do that for his dad I hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:01 PM
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I started by saying the initial desire is a fantasy. I basically lived it when I was a bartender, but how many people are going to have the opportunity to be on stage that way and how many people are going to put as much into physical fitness as I did? Not too many. The only reality-based opportunity you have is a girlfriend. Focus on that first, and you may actually get something out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:35 PM
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I lived this way for a while as a bartender. It was great for a few years, but got very lonely and empty. I felt like my soul had worn thin. So happy to be married so many years now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:17 PM
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Tell him to calm down. That isn’t reality. Talk to women just like you would men, to avoid nervousness. Pay attention to body language to know how to adjust how you speak. Don’t bring up sex nor dating at all. Keep it light and playful. Don’t be too interested, just mildly interested. If you’re going to make a move, suggest hanging out- not a date. And for the love of fuck, don’t do cringey flowers, chocolates etc. It’ll creep a girl out in 0.3 seconds. Get a GF this way. Understand you’ll have …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:13 PM
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I did, but it was my mother. Apart from neglect (dads), this is the most common type of child abuse- mother to son. I don’t know why, and I won’t posit some bs internal narrative disguised as wisdom on it either. It just is, and I’m a survivor of it. I’ve suffered pretty mightily at the hands of women for a guy who never had issues getting dates and hookups. I was also a jerk, but I grew out of that by my mid-late twenties. Happily married, but ready for a two-sided discussion with some empathy …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:16 PM
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Accountability… women have a couple areas with powerful accountability, but utterly refuse it in other areas. Men have their own bullshit. Calling out theirs doesn’t mean we don’t have our own.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:12 PM
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Worst deflection ever. “That’s not true.” “Here’s the proof.” “Proof doesn’t matter.” Cmon. Just own it. Being hyper selective isn’t a war crime. It’s just biology. Men aren’t offended by this, we just reluctantly and sadly understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:51 PM
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On tinder, women rate 80% of men as below average. So, ummm, yeah. We all suck. Them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:40 PM
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Ummm… is this book fiction or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:38 PM
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Probably the same reasons moms think their son’s girlfriends aren’t good enough, are scandalous little ___s, and should probably get out of the way for a girl she will choose for her son. Just a little introspection here will guide you to the unerring truth. We are similar in our toxicity, apart from we have to hear it and y’all refuse to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:36 PM
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Agreed I think?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:22 PM
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How NONE OF US do enough. This includes parenting and accountability for shitty parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:16 PM
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I’ll take that over beatings and name calling any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:55 PM
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This is true, but my mom was abusive. Physically, emotionally, and super controlling on top of it all. My dad was not any of these things. Same story for so many friends growing up. Dad often gone at work. Tired and only slightly interested at home until he gets some rest. Mom always around… but hitting, name calling, and holding onto issues for days and weeks instead of minutes (like dad would do). Dad always looking after mom’s mental state- “don’t make her angry” “tell her she looks nice” “pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:41 PM
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Lived through this, all while being repeatedly told that women are moral and men aren’t. My lived experience showed me it’s 50/50 at best. Mom was wrong, and also wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:52 PM
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Bingo, but some of them do the butterfly thing and get a nice body and some not-simpy confidence. I know some of them. Muscles equals dates. It worked for them. The ones who don’t put in the work are what you described in your comment. Plenty of those eff-tards.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:49 PM
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I’ve seen this often, but… that’s more gas on the fire than the fire itself in my experience. As my bad boy credentials rose in highschool, I got lots of attention. Bartending after the Air Force pushed this further. Being militantly single after a pair of 3-4 year relationships pushed it further. I think there’s a mirrored dynamic revolving around BS. Men want to take a nice girl and get her doing nasty fun in private or the reverse. Women want to give their nice guy an edge, or get the edgy gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:39 PM
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I disagree with your assertions almost as much as I disagree with the holyshitmisogyny is see in too many RP spaces. RP for me, as a man who had a ridiculously fruitful dating life and now has a great marriage, is roughly 50/50 truth and bs. It makes some silly assertions about women mixed with some depressingly accurate ones. It mixes standing up for yourself with woman-bashing. It conflates “often” and “typically” with “always”. I’m not deeply into BP, but I’m guessing it’s similar. For all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:40 PM
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Nor you. These are just your opinions. Enjoy them. I sure have.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:41 AM
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Harvard thinks you’re wrong. https://pll.harvard.edu/course/evolutionary-psychology?delta=0 MIT agrees with Harvard. https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/9-250-evolutionary-psychology-spring-1999/ Please, give up. I grow weary of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 01:28 AM
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In fairness, the moment to moment shifts, contradictions, and exceptions are hard for us men to follow. But I won’t say anything as stupid as “women aren’t ___”. Men and women have identical average IQs. This is incontrovertible. What I do see that troubles me is a lack of empathy amongst us. We do things that seem stupid to you, but you do things that seem stupid to us. Turns out, we’re both correct. We need each other, despite the recent sloganeering.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 09:49 PM
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When the motivations and goals of a person are inscrutable to you, any actions on their part seem illogical or random. Maybe put yourself in their shoes first? I complain about women too, because I’m a man and that’s natural to do, but I don’t reduce them to totems. Women, it turns out, are people too. Jeez.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 08:39 PM
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Virtually all of us. Catch a clue. We hold a lot of power outside the home/dating sphere. They hold power within that sphere. Such is life. Stop bitching, go to the gym, smell better, and wash with acne cream. Also, make a 10 year career plan. If you can do those things and add in a bit of humanizing thoughts toward women, you’ll calm right down. You might even get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:56 PM
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The stats you call out are real, and I’ve seen them; but the rest of this is super cringey. How about we just tell young women the truth about what they will likely value in later life, what the statistical outcomes are for various behaviors and strategies, and just leave them the fuck alone about it after we give them the data? Add a healthy and repeated lesson on the exception bias and how they aren’t the exception (so that they take the stats seriously), and leave it at that. Pretty sure maki…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:53 PM
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I’m sure they’re out there, and no one owes anyone anything in the way of interest nor attention. There. I said it. Ok? Please understand that also means that a 50 year old man isn’t required to drool over 50 year old women either. It goes both ways. It should also be mentioned that a 50 year old man with $$$ will find his options with 29 year old women to be surprisingly fruitful. As a former bartender of 19 years I’ve seen it over and over again. You mention self respect, but maybe you should …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:10 PM
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I think it’s weird how much we (men) are concerning ourselves with womens’ sexual activities. I’m more concerned with being honest with people about risks. Health, reputation, and satisfaction. Other than that, it’s no one’s goddamned business. Give them the real (not aspirational) information and step away.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:07 PM
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Church girls lie to pollsters. 🤷🏻‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:27 PM
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I’m all for negotiation. In politics, relationships, and our societal norms. No one should ever dictate to the others how they must act, what they must like, and how they must feel. Well, actually they should a bit, after we negotiate those norms?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:25 PM
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I waited to settle down until I was 32 and she was 27. Well, we met at that age, moved in together two years later, got engaged a few years after, and married a few years after that. She had two kids and we needed to make sure that was a fit. We also both had some work to do on our lives and we both needed to see the other was dedicated to improving themselves. Patience plus commitment. It works. We are happily married with three daughters now. She had doubts in life around an absentee father an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:44 PM
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This is what I came to purple pill to see. Real talk. I’m not redpill mostly because of the bitter, misogynistic dipshittery I see sprinkled into it. There are some angry male virgins out here. Yes, society is more matriarchal than patriarchal at this point, and further demands for equality are kinda funny. But the misogyny and weird departure from reality keeps redpill from being what it should be- a sober and calm critique of where society sits just now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:14 PM
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Sorry, but we’ve all got the receipts. Go back to the original comment about evolution and mating viability differences between the sexes with age, and your whataboutism response, which you have stuck with. Because, I just did go through the thread. It’s right there. Please, just stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:09 PM
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I’d start by asking why you think violence and aggression are laudable in a man? They are not. The capacity for it is manly; and I can get into why women (have told me) it’s attractive a little later. I would then ask a question I think I already know the answer to: where was your dad growing up? He should’ve clued you into how this all works and why it all works the way it works on a societal level. Any biology textbook will tell you the underlying reasons for it and why women unconsciously res…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:10 PM
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You’re correct, AND we’re all individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 02:21 AM
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Fuuuuuuck no. Virgins aren’t great in bed. She was and is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 02:20 AM
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That part hurts. I’ve encountered the ‘six foot and up or go away” thing plenty, and I’m 5’10. Ladies suck at measuring this sort of thing though, so I could’ve said I was 6’ for ages and got away with it, but I never bothered. In person, I’m bigger than they are, so it works. Online, 6’ is the metric. Sucks, I know. I’m glad my 5’7 brother (still says he’s 5’8 when asked) got married before online dating got big, or he’d be single too maybe. I guess find a shorter girl? My wife and I are in “th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 02:03 AM
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No, we hear it, and we know it. But if any statement about a foreshortened female reproductive window sees you lock into a whataboutism about sperm quality, we can see what you’re doing: making a case for equivalence. If you weren’t arguing equivalence of a sort, there’d would be no reason to bring it up at all. It would be pointless. So, if you’re not making a stab at equivalence, then what the hell is your point??? What are you trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:32 AM
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I think you’re ignoring what makes a mate viable evolutionarily to justify your own narrative. Nature doesn’t give a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:26 AM
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You’re trying too hard here. It’s not an equivalent impact male vs female in age-related reproductive issues. It just isn’t, and this ongoing attempt is getting cringey.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 01:31 PM
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We are deeply involved in the swinger community, and (anecdotally), hell yes this is true. We age differently. It’s hard to hear, but it’s a thing with a powerful instinctive and evolutionarily driven component. For us men, it’s similarly hard to hear that we are biologically expendable, but it’s still true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 01:30 PM
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Sure, a bit, but still not as much as for women sadly. Biological inequalities are a thing, even if we don’t like them. We’re not out here claiming that since women can go bald too that it’s equally impactful to men and women. That would sound stupid if said, (and that’s a hint.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 01:26 PM
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Clearly, my second point got missed. In any case, it’s about the first date and the date for someone who is single and not having sex. What kind of relationship you have after that is a far more complicated and nuanced topic. I wish we could all just be more honest with each other. The FIRST thing anyone notices is looks. If you can’t get past that ubiquitous instinctive qualifier, your sparkling wit, strong moral compass, and promising career mean diddly shit in the dating market. It’s true for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 11:30 PM
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This is most honest reply I’ve seen yet. The looks are an immediate pass-fail. That’s followed afterward by the bio, which is the second pass-fail. This also true with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 06:20 PM
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Not gonna lie, I sense a lot of anger here. But I will agree on a smidge of it- Women are not honest with us nor themselves on what they like in a potential dating partner. I do not know why this is, but in 19 years of bartending I did notice one thing that may be a contributing factor. They bullshit each other with virtue signaling constantly when in a group, but are more honest 1:1 with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:02 PM
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Pretty sure Manosphere and MGTOW are about not simping or just not dating women at all. The outrage then comes pointing a finger at that. So the analogy needs reversing. But yeah, angry male virgins are everywhere, and their numbers are growing. I was lucky to be on the other side of that growing split. Just lift weights and don’t be douchey, fellas. It works. Abs = lots of attention. Being a decent person who talks to women like they’re decent persons keeps that attention. Come to think of it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 12:26 PM
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Seems fair I guess? It would also be cool to swap week to week between 24/7 baby care and 55 hour work week. It’ll provide mutual simpatico.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 08:19 PM
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I think this other guy’s take is kinda weird, but here’s the point he’s trying poorly to make: I’ve watched women howl laughing at mens’ misfortune in a way I rarely ever see men do when a woman is hurt or humiliated. I’ve watched about a dozen videos of talk shows where women laugh en masse at a man losing his penis, or encourage paternity fraud or tricking them into fatherhood by poking holes in condoms. Cheers. “You go girl.” “Bwahahahaaaa.” Men are 91% of workplace deaths, but no one cares. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 10:16 PM
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For the most part I agree with you. Even in something mostly positive like the Mano sphere, it gets infected quickly with some cringeworthy commentary and attitudes. I usually get 8 minutes into a 20 minute video nodding knowingly, and then “the comment” happens. Ugh. Switch off. In fairness, however, the cringey parts of manosphere commentary maps 1:1 with what women feel comfortable saying about men without special interest groups encouraging them. Clearly “kill all men” is horrible, but “girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 09:57 PM
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Purple. Women are horrible. Men are horrible. Women don’t have to hear about it and smile. Men do. I was a blue pill young guy, but life red pilled me. Women are just as bad as men, often worse, and totally oblivious to the fact that they live off the labors and deaths of men. So, I’m purple pill now. I want the discussion to be two sided. Women aren’t ready for that. True equality would make them sob daily. With that said, men couldn’t handle period and childbirth. Women? Not a man’s life for s…
/r/AllPillDebate08/08/22 11:17 PM
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I don’t know. I never worried much about it unless it was a ridiculous number. Double standards suck. But, I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about with the other stuff. If I were to guess, I’d say I had sex with maybe 10-12 girls in highschool. What’s scandalous is how many were friends with each other, and would say “____ can never know about this”. By the time I left college it was dozens, but my GF joined in that. Air Force made it a solid 40+. Bartending for 19 years made it over 100…
/r/AllPillDebate08/08/22 10:53 PM
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That’s my whole point in a single sentence- Everyone sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 01:04 PM
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I understand this isn’t something you want to “own” but I’m not narrowing this down to what happens in bars. It happens everywhere- it’s just that these ladies will talk about what they are up to while having a drink with their girlfriends, and the bartender is invisible to them. So I heard it all. Maybe your friends aren’t like this, and I have to imagine most people aren’t like this, but enough are that it’s “a thing”. I also got to routinely hear what the “ladies of Sweetwater” had to say whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:01 PM
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Truth. It’s less satisfying to see what you have to work on for yourself vs what someone else should do. With that said, I think the unfairness conversation can no longer be one-sided. We all need to calmly and rationally discuss our evolving relationship with each other as complimentary sexes. Two parts of a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 01:33 PM
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Well bully for you, but this was back when I was a bartender. I’m now a professional, married, and we don’t go to bars too often. However, when I did, I watched how humans operate. We all have a past, and some of the wonderful and cultured ladies you know so well also have a past like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 01:24 PM
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That’s a fair take on it.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 08:28 PM
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But in the majority of the cases, it is removal of the visible clitoris. That would equate to chopping the head of the penis off, not circumcision.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 06:46 PM
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I cannot equate FGM with MGM. Not the same thing at all, but your broader point is powerful, and is all too real.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 05:11 PM
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Honest and respectful. Also, seems legit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:54 PM
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The hottest person I ever slept with wasn’t fun at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:40 PM
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I think the denials here from the ladies are well meant. But… I often denied some of the worst excesses of men because I didn’t engage in them. It was like they didn’t exist or were very rare because I wasn’t the one doing it. Well, ladies, height filtering, and being a jerk about it, are super real and super common. I’m average at 5’10 and married to a woman who is 5’8. She only recently bought heels because the very thought of appearing taller than me gave her anxiety. I once dated a girl who …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:59 PM
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Solid point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:14 PM
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Nailed it. This reaction is also commonplace. Accountability, however, isn’t commonplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:57 PM
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Then you don’t know many women? Maybe they behave around you? I don’t know. 19 years of bartending, and I can tell you that an alarming percentage of attractive women are exactly like this. Exactly. Like. This. I’m not bitter, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:54 PM
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Nailed it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:50 PM
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I guess we’re lucky. It worked for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:47 PM
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I give them this every year or two: For my daughters: 1. Take no bs, and give none. 2. Ask for what you want. Be specific. Be forceful. Be direct. Hints and hope are stupid. Say what you mean! 3. Pick a life partner that wants you, not one that needs you. 4. Unless it's MMA or powerlifting, you can do anything a man can do, and maybe do it better. 5. No one owns you. No one belongs to you either. 6. You're not put on this earth to "stand by your man". You can stand by each other. You are equal p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:22 PM
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Similar w swinging in that people assume we’re just screwing everyone. No. It’s not like that. Also, yes people cheat. Women cheat every bit as much as men too. Seen lived it. Watched it occur. So, after years or marriage, we both get to scratch the itch as a team. We do everything same room though. No jealousy for us that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:14 PM
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Always full of that. Could you be more specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:10 PM
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That’s the truth. If I can offer one single piece of advice- whatever rules you set for each other can be renegotiated between events, but never during an event. Every change should start with “next time, we ____”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:52 PM
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Sorry but NO. Women work around 5 hours less per week on average when all parties are single and childless. The gap grows when she moves in. Grows more if you get married. Grows even more if they have kids. To be clear, the childcare time vs job time is almost always the decision of the mother, and the father must shut up and deal with it. Then he has to find more/better work to compensate. So. No. No no no.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:45 PM
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No. It does not. This has been debunked over and over and over again. PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE ME. GO LOOK IT UP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:41 PM
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I’m going to have to respectfully call BS on that one. It’s the same for men, apart from we don’t get the same choices women do. We have single, free, and lonely… or wage earner. Period. Full stop. Yes, there are some who are SAHDs, but the stats on those marriages are atrocious. I’ve also got a news flash for ya- men are told from a young age that we cannot have it all. Women are lied to there. Even you, an adult, are still clinging to this fantasy, and are trying to claim victimhood vs men. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:40 PM
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Bingo. We aren’t poly. We swing together or not at all. Our relationship wasn’t in trouble but it was getting a bit boring. Compersion is something we both had, but neither of us knew the other was cool with it until it came up. We both assumed the other would freak out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:36 PM
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Honestly? Most women I’ve known will shoot for the top % men, and know better… but they still hold out hope that he’ll settle down with them when they know in their heart he has a dozen women on speed dial. I’m not Adonis by any stretch, but I was a muscled bartender with a quick wit. I quite literally had 2-4 girls a week who would “stop by” my apartment “to say hello”. Some single. Some not. They all wanted the same thing, and got it. Invariably, around half would catch feelings and try to man…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:31 PM
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See my long comment below
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:22 PM
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Ouch?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:19 PM
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Don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:18 PM
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In my own marriage there is a five year difference, and that’s pretty commonplace. So we throw the stat off for years. We aren’t alone in that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:17 PM
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For everyone, there’s a right answer. Results may vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 05:33 PM
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Booya
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 05:27 PM
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Someone gets it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 04:50 PM
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Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 04:49 PM
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Love the honesty and candidness
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 04:48 PM
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Yes. Even if you’re fit, attractive, and very actively involved in the lifestyle, it’s once per month at best, and with couples you already know. With new people, maybe 2-3x per year?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 04:45 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:58 PM
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What the heck is this word salad?? Women absolutely care about looks, as much as men do, whether that is openly admitted or not. The age thing (younger women) is a biologically driven preference. I shouldn’t need to explain it, so I won’t. Humans have extra complexity, so for some of us it doesn’t work that way. The rest is hard to decipher. What’s your point??
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:44 PM
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Get your head right. While we all have some internal issues, it’s not fair to foist a bucket of them onto your partner. Also, if she has a bucket of them, you aren’t obligated to stick around for that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:22 PM
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I’m sure you’ve seen this, but how common is that really?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:13 PM
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I’m 49 and my wife is 44. Next year I break the stats, and will continue to for several years after. Think this through.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 11:49 AM
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Again: men exist that are older than 49
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 11:48 AM
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Nah. It’s just women dating older men. But an earlier post called out something I saw a lot of with female bar customers: he sleeps with everyone - all of us including her know it - still calls herself in a relationship. “It’s complicated”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 11:45 AM
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Turns out, men exist past age 49 as well. The explanation holds.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 11:44 AM
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Wtf is a moid?
/r/MensRights20/07/22 07:27 PM
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I just got booted from unpopularopinion. The struggle is real.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 07:23 PM
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I can only imagine that the behaviors of many men are confusing and nonsensical to many women. This works in reverse as well. So, yes, I’ve watched dozens upon dozens of examples of this variable acceptance of male behavior that seems mostly tied to his attractiveness. Outright rude, or outright weird is one thing… but if a hot hot hot guy says something pretty forward but not creepy, the reaction tends to be “omg. He’s hot. Is he looking at me right now? He is? Ok, can I just handle this side o…
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:59 AM
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I know it’s at least 1/3, but half? Really? Source?
/r/MensRights19/07/22 08:44 PM
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Gotta confirm this to a degree. Years of bartending taught me that the stats on 1-in-20 men being creeps is real. Sad for the other 19-in-20 of us, but yeah. It doesn’t take too many of us being that way for the perception to be there. But, and you have to admit this, the comment you replied to has a point as well. Again, after 19 years behind a bar with mostly female coworkers, I can say that most men are invisible to most women unless they seem threatening. Also, the difference between “he’s s…
/r/MensRights19/07/22 08:33 PM
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She did blame men… “white imperialism”
/r/MensRights19/07/22 08:23 PM
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White Imperialism? GTFOH. This is a global phenomenon, and her/his isolation isn’t due to what they think it is. Even when women transition, they don’t understand men - but I love that she’s trying. We form bonds with men we respect, and he/she hasn’t had the chance to earn that yet. Give it time, and try to seem like you’d be a help instead of a burden if things get crazy/sketchy. They’ll find male friends soon enough. They’ll also find a woman who finds them attractive. That “armor” won’t be t…
/r/MensRights19/07/22 08:22 PM
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