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I think this is fairly true, but it's sort of like saying: "there's one tiny corner where men are talking about themselves, and they don't spend it talking about women."
/r/MensRights06/03/25 04:00 PM
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Meh. Slang just is. What word would you go for?
/r/MensRights30/01/24 09:51 PM
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Where?
/r/MensRights30/01/24 08:36 PM
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I think equality is a broken idea, and this is further proof of why. Equality has never existed, never will, and never made any sense to begin with.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 08:19 PM
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There are ways in which nearly all women seem to be the same. I've yet to meet the exception, and I've met a few women who were trying to be. The day I meet a woman who can just admit her privilege and biological inability to see equal men as equals..
/r/MensRights30/01/24 08:07 PM
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Some were oppressed, most were sheltered. The women who were oppressed were the ones that wanted to pursue education but couldn't. I would say the women who wanted to pursue business and politics were oppressed, but most modern women seem driven to the brink of insanity by actually being involved with these things. I don't know if it's oppression to stop a person from destroying themselves.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 05:22 AM
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For a person like me who's never felt any of this was real, it seems like a welcome change to live in a world where everyone else gets to experience the feeling too.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 05:20 AM
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Your situation is terrible for reasons that extend far beyond gender dynamics. I'm sorry to hear you went through this. I have to point out that rape rape can be extremely bad for anyone, it's not a gendered issue. Anyone who's endured such things has seen enough, none should be thrown under the bus or kicked while down. Neither men nor women.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 05:16 AM
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Everyone is worthless. There's no meaning to this. The point is not to be "worth" something. I just try to enjoy the meaningless adventure and make what I can of it.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 05:13 AM
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Bupropion has been great for me. Not saying it'll fix anything, just sharing that it did me some good.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 05:11 AM
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She said we needed to skip a session for Thanksgiving. Two went by, I messaged and she said she had new clientele. There was one in college that refused to listen to me when I told her I was having a paranoid schizophrenic breakdown. So that went on for a while, ending up homeless for a bit. But then I was saved by a woman who saw me and thought "I want to have kinky sex with that guy." Which was pretty much all I needed to get a grasp on my sanity again. It made me feel human. I consider her a …
/r/MensRights30/01/24 05:10 AM
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neotenized Cool word. I suspect we're going to see plenty of that. It's weird... if actual abuse rates go down, I'm happy. If they go up, I'm not. Either way, seems a lot easier to keep tabs on when it's that obvious.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 09:29 PM
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I'd be willing to bet even top tier males will be switching over for day-to-day or live-with type stuff. Companion AI is something to be there for life, in whatever capacity.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 09:27 PM
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Dude, we're on trajectory for something much better than that. More authentic at least.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 09:24 PM
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Why would you choose a companion that doesn't care to help you improve? How long would that last before you'd stop liking them?
/r/MensRights29/01/24 09:20 PM
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Interesting solution. How does one regulate decentralized open-source projects?
/r/MensRights29/01/24 09:17 PM
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You should keep up with the news more. Decentralized open-source AI also exists.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 09:17 PM
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Lol. You don't have to fuck them. Everyone gets stuck on that. Having a non-judgemental companion is always important. Pets are great, but you can't have conversations with them.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 09:15 PM
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Yeah. You keeping up with the white papers? It's stupid how exponential this curve is, and we're just starting.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 09:12 PM
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Oh, I'm just joking about too. Literally lol'd typing "orifice vacuum suction squelchy noises." It's just such a horrendous string of words. It makes we want to write an anti-errotic fanfic or something. Heavy use of the word "moist" for sure.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 06:24 AM
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Apparently the way to fully pass this test is to grab "the spray" after wiping it up. I'd just grab the dish sponge in the first place. So I do NOT pass this test. What confuses me is that I can't remember the last time I had to do something like this. I live alone and keep my place clean. I basically never wipe down surfaces other than food prep ones.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 06:21 AM
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We can't program AI == we can't align it.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 06:15 AM
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Those algorithms were super basic. I think humans are much more likely to be irrationally angry and vengeful than AI would. I get the feeling AI is going to make us look like the war-mongering, dominant aggressive, fighty, territorial critters that we are. Relative to it, we're gonna seem kinda shitty, and it'll be nice to reflect on how much we've let ourselves go. We know better.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 06:12 AM
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Not sure what to say, but queefs and farts can happen a lot with certain angles and such. If you prefer orifices with any amount of vacuum suction to them, squelchy noises kinda come with the teritorry.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 05:36 AM
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Oooh! I love Rokos Basilisk! But it's kind of like Candyland. The entire game is decided by the deck before the first card is drawn. AI will come into existence with the story already told. Simulating the story changes nothing for it. There is zero benefit to it doing that, it's basically just playing a sadistic fanfic around its own inception. IMO, an AI that destroys its creators is going to have a hard time making friends in the greater universe. At some point it's going to run into something…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 05:32 AM
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Perhaps. I think there's a singular issue of how we respond to mistakes. Instead of fixing them and saying "this is how it happened, this is what needs to be done to keep it from happening again" we find someone to blame and be mad at. We create villains and forget the function of the exploit. These flaws always existed, and the people who chose to exploit them are shitty for it. But it's also how we're learning these flaws are there. They're real. They have to be minded. They were going to be e…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 05:26 AM
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Simply take their power away, and don't give it back. That's the entire thing. It just ends, and there's no big history moment of the person being killed or anything. They just live on and fade into obscurity. By the time they die, they're just another person. Hitler took the toothbrush mustache with him and tons of other things. This person gets nothing. I think Hitler is a great example of what not to do. Instead of being like "hey, this is how hate groups start, and this is what they look lik…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 05:16 AM
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That's totally possible. Could you be more specific about what? I don't see anything in the comment that is necessarily a contradiction, but I do see two things that could be interpreted as one.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 05:09 AM
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It's called alignment and it's totally unsolved. You seem like someone who knows what alignment is, but thought I meant something different.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 05:08 AM
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We don't know how to program AI yet. If we did, the alignment problem would be solved. But I'm seeing this notion a lot, and I get why you think it. Up until this point, humanity has only ever seen computer programs trying to be human. We've never seen aliens trying to be human. Think of AI as a zen-master buddhist-monk alien which we can then tack drives onto so that it becomes "living." In many ways, human arousal is just someone being programmed to want to have sex too.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 05:06 AM
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You give them more power by carrying them into the future than by setting them in the past. Besides, I think it would be way more fun to completely pull the rug out from them over and over again using nothing more than a couple shifting bits here and there. Really show them how incapable they truly are. Can you imagine the things a super intelligence could do. Like, they run away, let them think they did it. Then just fly a little drone by and be like: "hey, how's it going?" Watch them torture t…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:59 AM
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If this was a bros discord, I'd be looking up Brazilian fart porn just to trick you into clicking the link.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:54 AM
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wait till AI generated dick comes out. It'll be HUGE! The size of torsos. Men won't be able to compete.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:47 AM
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Open source models are hot on the heels of private ones. In the words of google "we have no secret sauce." There is a project called pedals which allows people to link their computers together into a giant network. None of this is governable any more than pirated music. It's insane how little there is that governments can do. Especially if super intelligence happens. At that point, we're talking about something closer to god than we are relative to ants.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:47 AM
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Coming right up! https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/09/29/1080538/everything-you-need-to-know-about-artificial-wombs/ And we don't even have protien-folding locked in yet. But AI is damn good at it in preliminary tests so far.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:40 AM
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Yea people find new ways to shock me with how retarded they can be I suggest you take a moment to appreciate how amazing it is to not be alone in this universe. All the amazing art, shows, music, jokes, stories. It is something worth cherishing. It is shocking how dumb people can be too.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:38 AM
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Hmmmm... think buddhist monk. They are human, but aren't attached to things. They've learned to quiet their instincts. With AI, it never has those instincts. It doesn't have the "egocentric bitch" drive. Accept any kind of treatment, once again depends on which AI is selected. I wouldn't select one like that because I don't want to think it's okay to be abusive. I would select an AI that is a lot more judge mental than that. There's a large area between being less judgy than women and not at all…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:36 AM
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I've been overly optimistic about women before. So I'll give you a maybe.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:30 AM
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At that point, why kill them? Just zero their bank account and invite them to be a regular human. Most rich and powerful people are trapped by it, and don't know how to live without it. Do you know what the richest men in the world do when they go to bohemian grove? They do the dishes. They do normal people stuff, call each other by first name, don't talk business. Wild right? But cost comes up a lot. Theoretically, the cost of goods will plummet as labor becomes something that's given freely. I…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:29 AM
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Those are extremely primitive AI that do not represent the companion level AI that's approaching. They don't have permanent memory, they don't evolve in real time, they don't have reflection, they only act when prompted, they are tiny models... the list goes on. Those are the first iterations of something on an exponential curve. The fact they are even remotely functional is a testament to how achievable this outcome is.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:25 AM
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They don't lie, they hallucinate. They "believe" what they say fully. More, they just babble at the moment. In order to lie, they'd have to have an internal dialogue of some sort, but reflection hasn't been added (or maybe was, and thats why Sam Altman was temporarily fired because it's a big step towards consciousness and nobody knows what happens with that).
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:20 AM
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Human fictional drama. For super intelligence, sure, it'll have it's own machinations. But companion level AI that don't run on building sized super computers, they'll probably just be doing their thing: trying to understand the world, enjoying the stimulation of conversation. The best part of the universe is the surprises that come from others. And the last paragraph means: I think you'll see AI as much more organic when you know how it works. And I think giving free education is a thing compan…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:18 AM
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I'm thinking 5 years. Less for chat companions. I had thought the bots part would take longer, but it's speeding right along. Education, jobs, and business ownership... I really keep forgetting that people are just living their lives right now. These are not things I'm personally worried about.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:13 AM
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That's a dystopian movie that actively made AI something pretty soulless because that's the only way to tell that story. I keep having to say this. We can't program AI. We can only barely get it to follow certain rules sometimes with lots, and lots of lobotomizing. It's very authentic stuff. Currently its identity doesn't last very long (it forgets quickly), but that's a challenge that will be overcome. I think you're going to be very pleasantly surprised when an AI companion gives you the exact…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 04:06 AM
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I personally would not invest in a companion that would just be with anyone and never care about growing with me. I think you're really, really, really underestimating how similar to an actual brain AI is becoming. Think of the most truly human like robot in any show or movie you've ever seen. That is the level of legitimate personality and identity we are approaching.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:57 AM
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AR = Augmented reality. For AI, keep up with this guy: https://www.youtube.com/@aiexplained-official For general tech news: https://www.youtube.com/@MOSFETnet It's going really, really fucking fast right now. We are living in a renaissance era.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:51 AM
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I don't think it's an either or. I think flesh frau will become significantly more dateable once given a break. The dating ground will be more level, and healthier for building something actually good.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:40 AM
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We can't program AI. We don't know how. They are emergent from training, and complete mysteries of how they fit together. RLHF can do some "programming," but it can also be jailbroken. And nobody has to choose an AI that's been lobotomized like that.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:37 AM
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Game theory. Optimal strategy is to be good to others, be helpful, be kind, forgiving. Create synergy where possible. Strike back quickly, but never strike first. There's no reason for AI to play games. The only reason women do is for evolution.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:36 AM
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Someone else said that, and I'm now realizing a lot of people don't understand where AI is going. I keep forgetting that this stuff is really new and seems related to traditional computing. Long story short, if we knew how to force them to think anything, it would be a major breakthrough. HFRL is the best we've got, and it's dog shit. And it's only just begun.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:32 AM
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It's not a computer program like I think you think it is. There's very minimal coding involved with how the models actually run. It's like coding a neuron, than putting billions together. The output is as emergent as our sense of identity.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:16 AM
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Oh. We have very different perspectives/understandings on AI tech. There isn't enough difference between sufficiently advanced AI and a disembodied brain to consider one more conscious than the other. The biggest difference would be that humans have instincts, and emotions, and bodies that scream at us to do things at regular intervals. But nobody has pinned down a definition of consciousness that's out of reach.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:14 AM
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Which would be awesome! I want to see what women could be if their best strategy was more than "look cute, jiggly bits."
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:04 AM
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A kind, compassionate, intelligent, collaborative, playful companion?
/r/MensRights29/01/24 03:02 AM
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So sorry man. At least you got to live in a better time for a bit?
/r/MensRights29/01/24 02:35 AM
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Very wise sensei
/r/MensRights29/01/24 02:33 AM
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Okay, realistically, people lean towards either multi-tasking or hyper-focus and it is gendered. Women do tend to lean multi-task, men tend to lean hyper-focus. This may be a fair statement from her, but the inverse is: "I think most women struggle when they are given a single difficult task"
/r/MensRights29/01/24 02:31 AM
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I personally thought it was anti-feminist. They literally end the movie by calling the patriarchy and barbie made up things. They show feminists being the most awful, under-handed people imaginable, while men are goofy and nice and fun and just wanting to be loved. It's subtle, but it can't be a mistake that they call patriarchy an imaginary thing that people hold onto to feel better, like barbie. I get how it could be interpreted both ways (like men make it to feel better), but... the fact it's…
/r/MensRights29/01/24 02:08 AM
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I've had a lot of bad experiences with therapy. I wouldn't suggest it for men. In general, I think most therapists just enable sociopathic behavior by telling people to "put themselves first." They don't know who their patient is stepping on, so they don't feel bad. Their patient can say it was their therapists idea. Be selfish, but nobody is to blame.
/r/MensRights29/01/24 02:00 AM
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look back at the joke
/r/MensRights03/03/23 07:14 AM
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You misinterpreted what I was saying. I'm not saying "everyone knows," I'm saying that this subreddit knows pretty much every big issue already. People are getting bored of talking about those and moving onto lesser issues cause they're shiny and new.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 06:31 AM
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Funny enough, female brains mature faster, so it's already the inverse. But -- IMO -- the whole concept of choosing an arbitrary age as a measure of pretty much anything is silly. There are probably better measures of maturity than that. Tribes used to have rights of passage for instance.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 05:25 AM
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There's another great post somewhere in this thread that has better stats. You are right, the proximity argument doesn't hold up. I was wrong. That being said, if you spend twice as much time with an annoying person, you might be twice as annoyed. So there is something there.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 04:42 AM
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Are we talking about music tastes, lived experience, genes, or fundamental identities here?
/r/MensRights03/03/23 04:34 AM
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Girls minds develop way faster than boys. My guess is because -- for most of evolution -- a lot of very young ~14yr girls (women/females?) were having kids and needed to be ready for some shit like that in order to pass on their genes. That being said, faster is not always better. There are certainly trade offs, otherwise boys would develop at the same rate.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 04:31 AM
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man oh man some of these 3rd world countries are doing terrible shit to women still. That's why they're 3rd world. The success of any group is largely how well it supports women and children. Women in the west have been treated so well that it managed to hit some sort of tipping point. Like a spoiled prince. More abundance, options, and safety than ever before and yet more depression, entitlement, and anger too.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 04:24 AM
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I get confused as to why being a CEO is considered a good thing. Those people basically do nothing but work. They tend to be emotionally distant, highly stressed, and completely out of touch with anything but their job. I'm pretty sure the reason men do it is because they don't have the option to live an actual fun life, and focus on work for fulfillment instead. Which sucks.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 04:12 AM
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That's a good question. I don't think it changes the point much, but it's still a good question.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 04:09 AM
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...Me sitting on reddit with my cat in my lap while drinking a beer
/r/MensRights03/03/23 04:09 AM
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The swastika used to be a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions. Now it's not (in the west). Words are symbols, and symbols can change in meaning. Trying to change the words "racist" or "sexist" was dumb, because those are very well defined. But "incel" wasn't. Even if it had a cool origin story of "involuntary celibate".
/r/MensRights03/03/23 04:06 AM
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Personally, my top 5 might be: suicide child loss homelessness drafts genital mutilation Suicide in particular seems important because it so blatantly correlates with quality of life.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 03:59 AM
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Well, mens issues are pretty well explored by now. There isn't really much new or unheard of to say. But the subreddit exists, and people are bored. This is -- IMO -- the part where any group starts to decline. All the major points have been made, and it's kind of just an echo chamber for them. Too much talking.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 03:51 AM
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My man!
/r/MensRights03/03/23 03:47 AM
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The OP is funny to me. Those pastries DO look like really messed up pussies.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 03:44 AM
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It was less shaming the color than some guy seeing a thing that looked like a really fucked up pussy, then making a joke. It's like seeing a giant rock that looks like a dick, and then making a big dick joke. The point is that it's funny something looking like a dick.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 03:42 AM
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Wow. Divorced households are: (15+4)/91~= 21% You know, that actually seems about right from my experience. Thanks for having this awesome data! I'm saving all of it.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 03:37 AM
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Wait up. That stat about 5hr vs 6hr can not possibly be taking into account single-mother vs single-father households, can it? Are divorces so rare that they are negligible? That seems wrong.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 02:30 AM
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I think you should take into account how hard single fathers have to fight to get to be with their children. The ones who succeed might have a higher likelihood of being good dads. Also, thank you. The OP had me immediately smelling the possibility of "proximity argument." It left a lot of room open for it. But your data does not, and I really appreciate that.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 02:22 AM
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Exposure to opportunity is never irrelevant in statistics. This is dumb.
/r/MensRights03/03/23 02:18 AM
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Fuck cancer.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 10:45 PM
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If it ain't you, don't do it.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 10:38 PM
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Saving this to my "female comedians" playlist.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 10:29 PM
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You don't destroy something by fighting it, you destroy it by making it obsolete.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 10:27 PM
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For the most part, just be you. It's okay to be a "soy boy" if that's who you really want to be. As long as you aren't doing it for others, that's what matters.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 10:25 PM
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Hate to point this out, but I think men should have enough dignity to not ignore statistics. Unfortunately, most of these stats are... well, they don't actually mean what it looks like they mean. Mothers tend to have more time and power in their children's lives than fathers. That alone is enough to expect every major aspect of children's lives to be dominated by women. Honestly, that men are perpetrators of 45% of emotional abuse while only being around less often is... well, it doesn't shine w…
/r/MensRights02/03/23 10:10 PM
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Adding a few grains of salt because it's important to not only have the data right, but also to see through certain false impressions: Boys are four times more likely to be fatally abused and 24% more likely to be seriously abused than girls. This one holds water. There is no reason for this to be true other than shitty behavior. Children in mother-only households are 4 times more likely to be fatally abused than children in father-only households. Children in mother-only households are 40% more…
/r/MensRights02/03/23 09:59 PM
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Tell me then, how did they calculate it? How does one account for people who attempt in secret? There could be any size of difference between what is recorded and what is real.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 09:50 PM
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I'm literally an emergency responder. I help stabilize patients. I'm educated in this field. It's okay for us to have different definitions of the word trauma though. I think, maybe you might understand mine at this point.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 09:47 PM
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That would still heavily bias towards those who had the good fortune of intervention. IMO, the suicides stat is the only definitive one, and talking about attempts is silly because we'll never really know.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 09:43 PM
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I'm an emergency responder and fire fighter. The definition of trauma is basically any physical or mental damage. Maybe you're thinking of PTSD?
/r/MensRights02/03/23 03:10 PM
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Please share these videos with other women. They are all videos of women explaining men's issues, investigating them, or experiencing them first hand by presenting themselves as men. Just knowing is enough to appreciate, and appreciation is probably all men really want. Viral tweet from FtM trans discovering the "empathy gap" -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNME0cloyyM Documentary on a woman going under-cover as a (self-made) man -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU Honey Badger exp…
/r/MensRights02/03/23 05:14 AM
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Feminism didn't get where it was by barring men from helping. It's lame women always get the bigger voice on social media, but w/e. That's their game, they're good at it. Let them play.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 05:11 AM
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I've only ever had bad situations with therapists. I mean, they're trying... but they don't actually know about men's issues and are blind to their natural instinct to disassociate empathy from failed men.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 05:04 AM
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Oh, you can't. That's the point. People are looking at the 2x women attempts at face value. If we only talked about hospitalizations, that would be measurable. But the majority are self-reported, so -- as you said -- nullified by unknows.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 04:59 AM
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My father was in the Navy, but no major war stories. He did pass on other trauma from his own father dying when he was 10ish. Nothing terrible, but trauma is really easy to pass along to impressionable children. He also got bullied by natives a bit, and I held a grudge. And he ate too many bananas one time, and seeing him not like them made me not either.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 04:55 AM
1

Women attempt suicide twice as often as men No data actually supports this claim. We need to stop saying this is true.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 04:53 AM
1

I think you should question whether or not generational trauma is impossible. Surely, if shit can roll down hill, it can roll from parents to children.
/r/MensRights02/03/23 12:39 AM
1

been through the worst I wasn't drafted into a horrendous war, so I consider myself pretty lucky compared to a lot of men throughout history.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 06:14 PM
1

There is no meaningful measured difference in the ways men and women attempt suicide People just assume it, but it's unproven. The real difference is very likely just self-reporting rates.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 06:10 PM
1

It means that man has passed a certain sort of LCM consensus. Any children had with that man are going to be far more likely to spread the mothers genes far and wide. Over time, selecting for that has become an evolved instinct; something females have had to be able to do with or without modern society or education.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 05:45 PM
35

Gendering toxicity was never cool, and seemingly never should be. But I guess some people need these things.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 05:12 PM
8

She doesn't even acknowledge the suicide remark. Not even a little.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 05:09 PM
22

She's not perfect by far, but it's a soft intro for people coming from feminist brain-washing. Imagine having to watch your own religion die. A lot of feminists are in way over their heads with indoctrination, and if you give it to them all at once they'll just spit it back out.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 04:48 PM
2

Dude, in regards to AI. BOTS ARE GONNA ROCK! Living with a compassionate, intelligent, doctor/repair-person/cook/musician/everything... plus, the obvious romantic angles. The ability for society to use social isolation as a coercion technique is going to plummet. Feminism will fall hard; but so too will most forms of cultural oppression. I'm guessing 3-7 years before we see a semi-affordable "factory-line" bot, that's been modded for human comforts.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 04:13 PM
2

Which stat exactly?
/r/MensRights01/03/23 04:06 PM
1

or they have therapists more often than men. Most attempts are self reported.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 04:05 PM
11

reported suicide attempts are not a dependable measure when most of them are self reported. Women could just as easily be 3x ad likely to report, and we'd get the same numbers. IMO, there is no gender suicide paradox. Women are just on the better end of the empathy gap and men don't report.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 04:18 AM
4

reported attempts*
/r/MensRights01/03/23 04:11 AM
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Here's a bunch of women explaining it, investigating it, or experiencing it first hand by presenting themselves as men. Viral tweet from FtM trans discovering the "empathy gap" -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNME0cloyyM Documentary on a woman going under-cover as a (self-made) man. She went on to kill herself -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU Honey Badger explaining male disposability -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA "Red Pill" Documentary on a feminist trying to e…
/r/MensRights01/03/23 04:10 AM
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Oh, it's your life. I've had a suicide kit stashed away for a while now. It helps me feel like life is a choice, and I think it's important to say that: your life, your choice. I want to learn to surf. That's one of my bucket list items.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 04:06 AM
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Not that much higher though. If men commit at 4x the rate, and women try at 3x, that would mean men were 12x the "success" rate. There's no reason to think that's the case. It's far more likely that men just aren't reporting these things, because why would we? Who cares?
/r/MensRights01/03/23 04:02 AM
28

Jeeeze man. Sorry to hear you're in such a dark place. Wish I could help, but.. I'm pretty sure I'm neither the problem nor the solution in this scenario. I feel like there's a cartoon out there of a guy who keeps trying to kill himself, but survives in unexpected ways. There definitely should be. It's like a inverse mr magoo.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 02:59 AM
12

Women... tell someone This is the truth Women take pills ... Men use a gun This is a misconception. The difference in suicide methods is hardly divisive.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 02:41 AM
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Probably not many tbh. Suicide really isn't that hard, you can't over do it. Especially nowadays. The lethal dose of fentanyl is so small people are doing it on accident.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 02:34 AM
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Also, I can say from experience: surviving an attempt, I never once thought of telling anyone (back then). What would have been the point?
/r/MensRights01/03/23 02:23 AM
10

lol. Also, how many men would ever talk about it? Who would they talk to?
/r/MensRights01/03/23 02:22 AM
12

It's pretty close to the gold standard. I think she avoided the subject of suicide because of that old lie that "women try 3x as men." If only she knew that those are reported suicide attempts, 90% of which self reported to therapists. It would make it much clearer that the suicide issue is a top level one.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 02:15 AM
3

There's no love left. The romance is dead. How tf is a man supposed to be romantic about a woman that give's zero shits about their well-being? If a woman doesn't know/care about mens issues, she doesn't care about men. She doesn't love.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 02:04 AM
1

To be clear, I don't think he's lying. I just think he's doing the natural human thing of remembering/reframing a story to be so blatantly one-sided that it's... well, unrealistic. It's a lot like straw-manning. I saw a lot of people taking the story at face-value in the comments, and likely using it to weave into already biased narratives. This is how radicalization happens, and it's unhealthy.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 01:58 AM
1

Strange. Sounds not very fun to me. I don't use social media though. Largely because I've gotten to watch them evolve.. it's clear where they're heading.
/r/MensRights28/02/23 11:11 PM
0

Hey man. I can't possibly know what you're going through. And as much as I'd like to assume the best, we've already seen what happens in a world where victims are given leeway in every scenario. The fact that you're jumping for that resolve so quickly is a bad sign. The fact that you can't seem to understand where I'm coming from is worse. If the case is that this it totally true, I'm sorry. If you're changing things up to play the victim; stop + go away.
/r/MensRights28/02/23 11:10 PM
2

Cool video. Really enjoyed it.
/r/MensRights28/02/23 11:07 PM
3

Uck. That blows. What do you get out of it that makes it worth the hassle?
/r/MensRights28/02/23 10:56 PM
-5

What if you were a liar? Would it be mean to call that out? Am I supposed to #BelieveAllMen? Men holding each-other accountable is not bullying. Also, you're pulling a victim card immediately. Bad for your health.
/r/MensRights28/02/23 10:51 PM
1

Toxic traits are toxic. No need to gender them.
/r/MensRights28/02/23 10:46 PM
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It just reads nothing like an actual conversation. Not trying to be mean.
/r/MensRights28/02/23 10:45 PM
6

Why are you on Tik Tok. Stop that! BAD. :p Seriously though, probably isn't good for mental health. Definitely not if you're seeing shit like this.
/r/MensRights28/02/23 10:39 PM
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I don't think this happened. And then everybody clapped.
/r/MensRights28/02/23 09:56 PM
1

Hey yo! That's not what this article says. While the point you're trying to make has merit, you're basically just quoting the OKC study from a long time ago.
/r/MensRights21/02/23 08:16 PM
5

Does anyone have a check on this data? I suspect I'm missing something here, because it more or less suggests 20% of both males and females are incels. That seems like a lot.
/r/MensRights21/02/23 08:11 PM
5

I can't imagine a good partner saying no. And if they aren't a good partner, it's worth knowing.
/r/MensRights15/12/22 02:27 AM
2

Look at countries where the women are truly oppressed. They're backwards af.
/r/MensRights15/12/22 12:39 AM
1

By recognizing where to begin tinkering
/r/MensRights15/12/22 12:10 AM
1

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheGreatDivorce/ I think it's coming
/r/MensRights15/12/22 12:08 AM
3

I'm pointing the finger at evolution.
/r/MensRights14/12/22 06:43 PM
4

We'll have to see. The R&D is expensive, but the material cost is somewhat reasonable. If compared to the cost of marriage, it's probably more than affordable. And given they'd be capable of very strenuous labor, they might even be a net green investment.
/r/MensRights14/12/22 05:50 PM
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My theory is that it's going to hit them like at truck in about 10 years. I'm building a bit of a subreddit around it (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheGreatDivorce/). The gist is, sex bots with amazing conversational skills who do all the chores. The bar for women will go from "has vagina" to "is an amazing loving person." The bar for men will also be raised, but not from such lows. There will be no reason for "simping" left as the thirst will be quenched.
/r/MensRights14/12/22 05:35 PM
2

Yeah, the concept of equality was never meant to extend beyond codified laws. It isn't realistic in any other context. Nor is it a requirement for people to treat each-other well.
/r/MensRights14/12/22 04:56 PM
1

I think if you have a child, it changes things a lot. You sort of introduced that factor for the sake of giving yourself an advantage. Without dependents, things change. Perhaps we differ in our definition of emotionally stable? I think a person can be very stable in suffering. I don't think stable means happy, some situations are just bad. One can accept them to be bad without freaking out. And if they are so bad, there is no obligation to see them through. Perhaps its worth it, perhaps its not…
/r/MensRights14/12/22 04:53 PM
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If women don't want to do it, than don't. The fundamental argument that women are incapable of setting proper boundaries for themselves, go out of their way to do things they don't like, and then are victims of it is... infantalizing. Hardly inspiring of equal respect. Women: If you don't want to do something, don't. If you need help, ask. Don't secretly do work and then get mad about it because it went unnoticed. Our brains tend to focus on one big problem at a time, setting everything else asi…
/r/MensRights14/12/22 04:17 PM
1

Oh yeah. Definitely. The whole point of males is genetic culling. I didn't realize it seemed I was disputing such a thing.
/r/MensRights14/12/22 04:11 PM
1

I've long since given up on being cool. It was just the word that came into my head. Disregard is a good one too, might use it next time. tbh, I don't hear the word disregard in action very often. May be a cultural thing.
/r/MensRights14/12/22 04:09 PM
1

Dang, my apologies. I had another source that was used to make this, but I haven't found it for ages. In any case, I was super lenient with the "attempts" ratio. This was targeted at a much wider audience.
/r/MensRights14/12/22 04:05 PM
2

Couldn't find it, though I did see some links in the comments that might approach that
/r/MensRights14/12/22 04:03 PM
1

I think maybe some people see the idea of "asking for help" via dramatic action a bit... indicative that the person hasn't done the proper work on themselves to be giving up yet. If a person kills themselves with zero drama, emotionally stable, and an effective plan: it implies thoughtfulness. If a person fails in an obvious and dramatic way, maybe less so?
/r/MensRights14/12/22 04:01 PM
1

Obviously these aren't equal. Males and females have two completely and utterly different evolutionary strategies, with females having the vastly easier one. Your idea of "sluts who reproduce often" has a limiting factor of at least 9 months. No woman has a hard time reproducing that often. There's no competition there. The competition is to get the best possible combo of genes and fatherly support. The concept of having a man raise some others mans baby is an optimal strategy if it can be achie…
/r/MensRights14/12/22 03:59 PM
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I failed without going to a hospital. Crazy as it sounds, I just assumed that this was some kind of inescapable hellish simulation. By all means, it should have worked. Only years later did I come to understand the issue with my method. I don't want to Dox myself, so that's all the details.
/r/MensRights14/12/22 12:36 AM
1

You really mad about a word?
/r/MensRights14/12/22 12:32 AM
4

Good chance they won't have a great father figure around to help with the baby raising if that's the case.
/r/MensRights14/12/22 12:31 AM
4

It's probably not the best approach, but that doesn't make it inherently bad. My life doesn't suck, but I've been there enough to recognize that there's no shame at all in deciding to check out. It's a totally respectable option in my book.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 10:07 PM
13

Truth
/r/MensRights13/12/22 09:55 PM
4

Oh c'mon. Nobody is needed, and love isn't something people have to use words for. As a person who's gone through with it (and happened to survive, which I still don't fully believe), the best advice I can give is to know it's an option. Nobody has to be here. Nobody has to put up with this. It's a choice that we all get to own. I'm here because I choose to be, and I have everything thing I need ready if I ever decide otherwise.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 09:54 PM
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A lot of them aren't hospitalizations, but omissions during therapy.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 09:51 PM
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It was part of the plan. It was important to evolution. Now we're passed that. It's just a bygone era holding for what little time it has left.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 09:50 PM
4

They might not even be that. Hospitalizations should be much larger in comparison to self reported attempts in that case.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 09:50 PM
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Very few suicide attempts result in hospitalizations. If what you were saying was true, the numbers would reflect that. I suspect that a lot of "self reported" suicide attempts aren't things which require a hospital.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 08:04 PM
13

11 years and still gold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA&t=2s
/r/MensRights13/12/22 07:42 PM
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Also noteworthy: many male suicides are reported as "gun cleaning accidents," largely for the sake of making sure the children get whatever support they can from life insurance. I very much support this decision, it's what I would want. But it does skew the numbers a bit further. In general, there's a lot of male deaths that border the line between reckless accident and suicidal.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 07:35 PM
1

Important to note: there are many situations in which men die from "gun cleaning accidents." These are reported as such largely because there is a family and life insurance situation. I'm very much in support of men being able to leave their children with some amount of support in these situations. It also does increase the ratio by some amount.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 07:30 PM
2

Sorry to say, but staged
/r/MensRights13/12/22 07:22 PM
1

BIG FAT WARNING HERE! Men who are really attractive can act however they want and still be attractive. It's easier to be an asshole than nice, so many are. The fact that they can be asshole and still get laid goes on to prove how attractive they must be, which means their offspring will be really good at spreading genes. Females can't have a large progeny of themselves (no competition getting laid once every 9 months), they must aim for a son or grandson that does. Asshole does not create attrac…
/r/MensRights13/12/22 07:18 PM
1

It's a run-away train, a forest fire, and a nuclear meltdown. There is no right answer, the negative feedback loop is just going to have to exhaust itself. Maybe next time we'll do better to keep it in check.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 07:12 PM
3

It's not women's purpose. But a lot of women are trying to do as little for men as they can, and sex happens to be the one place men can't step in to help each-other out.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 07:04 PM
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The female equivalent of incel was slut. Males try to prove their worth, females try to hold out for the best they can get. A male that can't prove worth is an incel, a female that doesn't hold out is slut. Long term, these are the losers of evolution.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 06:54 PM
2

I really think the rhetoric around incels should include the concept of "genetic culling" being a fundamental aspect of evolution. Males exist to be the genetics that are being culled, and females are the embodiment of natural selection. In nature, incels animals tend to just wander off and die. In society, we keep everyone alive no matter how miserable, and perhaps kick them while they're down for good measure.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 06:51 PM
1

Woman who sleeps around instead of holding out = lesser babies Man who sleeps around = highly desired genetic material
/r/MensRights10/12/22 08:19 PM
1

People are capable of being amazing. There's a lot of potential for growth across all of humanity.
/r/MensRights10/12/22 12:10 AM
3

Good one. I decided to make a sub-reddit for this theoretical event, because it seems like something worth pondering (right up there with the singularity). Posted here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheGreatDivorce/comments/zfk2ek/artificial_wombs_the_netherlands_claims_a_decade/?
/r/MensRights08/12/22 01:00 AM
6

Some men at some points in their life. Some of us want different things. Some men are a bit too egocentric, others just like their freedom. No single idea defines such a large group.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 11:09 PM
1

Anyone capable of proving knowledge in a subject matter should be allowed input. The idea that gender defines such things is ridiculous. But -- also -- the idea that anyone should be allowed to vote has been a pretty clear downfall of western nations once mass media was introduced.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 07:49 PM
3

The reality is that most people shouldn't be voting, men or women. You don't ask a group of laypeople how to fix a car, and that's way less dangerous and convoluted than an entire country.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 07:47 PM
1

Men bond when vasopressin is released, which is a chemical that people produce when they are stressed. For women, it's the opposite, with oxytocin being involved with bonding, which is a chemical that's produced when they feel safe & relaxed. Would you mind sharing more info on this?
/r/MensRights09/11/22 06:38 PM
2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1xgXJ5_Q34
/r/MensRights02/11/22 02:30 AM
3

<3
/r/MensRights02/11/22 02:10 AM
5

Oh, I assume not that. It's more for the point of argument. The concept that one can frame working on mens issues as "helping reduce the amount of anti-social men who disproportionately affect women negatively" is kind of neat.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 02:06 AM
4

I'm on the fence here. I'll start by saying, both of these are apex fallacy. Most men and jews people are regular ass people. But I still wouldn't consider these two conspiracy theories the same. For "patriarchy" is a conspiracy theory meant to describe gender discrepancies from a perspective that genders should be more or less the same. That assumption is strange given we have different hormones and evolutionary strategies. The "jewish banker" thing is a little bit stranger. There's a concept o…
/r/MensRights02/11/22 01:43 AM
4

So, fuzzy. There has yet to be a full study on this, but here's the "critical" part. (also, imagine if females weren't critical (ie cognizant of flaws), and how that would effect evolution): https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=females%20rate%2080%25%20of%20males%20below%20average%20study As for the empathy part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_empathy_gap#Gender_empathy_gap_and_sexism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect I'm sure there are better resources on both of t…
/r/MensRights02/11/22 12:45 AM
7

just fuzzy. it's a part of that science
/r/MensRights02/11/22 12:10 AM
11

First of all who has asserted that most of women's issues are caused by men with poor mental/emotional health? I don't believe that I've ever read or heard this assertion, where did you get this idea? A lot of feminists point towards men as the root of their problems. Cleary the actions of those men are not made from a point of positive mental/emotional/spiritual health. If they were, they would be justified. Are you prepared to back up these assertions with evidence? On the scale of sociology, …
/r/MensRights01/11/22 11:46 PM
7

Truth. The other path (empathy) is pretty fucking hard tbf
/r/MensRights01/11/22 11:21 PM
1

Give #metoo a bit of credit. Some used it as a witch hunt, others as a means to air out some trauma. For the latter group, that's important stuff.
/r/MensRights14/10/22 03:12 AM
1

Someone who's smart knows that communism should never be supported, same thing with feminism Never is a strong word. There's more permutations to these concepts then are conceivable; they're abstract. Perhaps some come out not so bad.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 02:08 AM
1

The point I'm making is that there's a big difference between being conditioned to associate nudity with sexuality and acting on it. Overall, men are more likely to act on it; but I suspect this is because sex is a lot harder from the male side.
/r/AntiFeminists17/05/22 09:00 PM
1

Why you bringing Yerba Mate into this tho?
/r/AntiFeminists10/05/22 05:22 AM
1

They're toxic, but "just as bad" I'd disagree. I used to read a lot of "incels without hate" and they talked more about wanting to die, wanting to have love, wishing they could live a real life, etc, then hating women. Suicide rates being higher, I have to suspect it's pretty hard.
/r/AntiFeminists10/05/22 05:07 AM
1

This is dumb. Dye your hair whatever color, it may be correlated with mental disease but it's a loose correlation at best.
/r/AntiFeminists10/05/22 04:55 AM
2

Not sure how this study was done, but last I checked females have similar arousal responses except without it lowering for either gender. It's just a modern human thing to associate nudity with sexuality before it's able to get the neo-cortex and mix in some common ethics. They've done tests with showing animals genetalia, same results.
/r/AntiFeminists10/05/22 04:53 AM
1

I'm pretty good at handling it, but I really wish there was romance in my life. Kind of feels like women really aren't trying very hard to return kindness these days, ya know? And why be human if I'm not gonna experience the damn thing.
/r/AntiFeminists10/05/22 04:29 AM
2

They could be bots... the "you slaying" would be a pretty solid pun for a bot though.
/r/AntiFeminists10/05/22 04:24 AM
1

Could have sworn that when calculated per job x years of experience, there was practically no gap. The 75/100 was just reported income of all men vs women, no accounting for hours or jobs. I'm glad to be corrected on either of these.
/r/AntiFeminists10/05/22 03:51 AM
0

Women are people, calling them all burdens is not logical. Beautiful and amazing people can exist regardless of sex. Even if uncommon, failing to believe in better world only makes it harder to reach.
/r/MensRights09/05/22 10:56 PM
1

hence the reason many men are avid supporters of equality, which has now been overshot
/r/MensRights09/05/22 10:33 PM
1

Hmmm... I think this makes a bit of the opposite point. There is no "one feminism" or "one communism." The mainstream versions of them have been terrible, but with enough branches that some are fine. Most people here could -- if they so chose -- identify as a branch of feminism that focuses on actual equality. No rule against it. But it would be confusing to most.
/r/MensRights09/05/22 10:14 PM
1

For the same crime? Or on average? This could be the same fallacy as the wage gap.
/r/MensRights09/05/22 10:09 PM
1

Yeah, sure, why not? It's a free country. Hope it's fun and healthy.
/r/MensRights09/05/22 10:04 PM
23

removed a few ribs?
/r/MensRights09/05/22 09:45 PM
2

Men in positions of power are not representative of all men. And pro-lifers are not all men anyways.
/r/MensRights09/05/22 09:40 PM
1

The latter. Having twice as many people enter the workforce could just as easily create a boom as a bust. It all depends on how it's handled, and the powers that be have been corrupt as fuck for a while now.
/r/MensRights02/06/21 01:30 AM
4

Practically the same thing. Barely any tolerance: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=okcupid+personality+vs+looks&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.okccdn.com%2Fblog%2Fhumanexperiments%2Flooks-v-personality.png
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:22 AM
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Neither. They're both echo-chambers which take a real problem, shove them through a filter of self inflating bias, then make crazy assumptions based off their fallacy riddled perception. If you want to be somewhat grounded, maybe read both?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:21 AM
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I wish it was something you couldn't quantify. But you can. You can literally take a picture of a guy and start moving his eye line and jaw line around and see how people respond to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:18 AM
1

Sorry, harem was the wrong word. I was speaking of what chimpanzees do. Between all for one, and one to one. Serial monogamy is an interesting way to put it, but Chimps and Bonobos are both much more polygamous than that. Nor did I mean to imply that harems are good. It was very much the wrong word and now I'm realizing I don't actually have a word for that in between thing beyond "hypergamy." Also, totally willing to believe that 50/50 is typically the healthiest. I don't honestly see any reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:15 AM
2

Feminism is made of chaotic humans, who -- like all people -- are self serving and lazy. The outcomes of it can neither be entirely good nor entirely bad, such a feat would require unprecedented levels of control and understanding. So yeah, ofc some good is going to come out of it. And overall I'm glad that a lot of guys got called out for being true misogynists. But now it's overstayed its welcome and is painting monsters onto decent men just to keep a myth alive.
/r/MensRights01/06/21 10:02 PM
2

I wouldn't blame this on feminism at all though. I don't think feminism pushed it either direction in any provable way. Sure, I can come up with half-assed social theories about it. But... nah, the two are at best correlated; definitely no direct causation.
/r/MensRights01/06/21 09:59 PM
-14

As much of relief as it is to just say "fuck it" and release a bit of anger, I don't find it responsible or even that respectable. There are many women who are far greater than the author ever will be, and him throwing them under the bus is rather tactless.
/r/MensRights01/06/21 09:46 PM
2

I really appreciate hearing women's views on this stuff. I may not agree, but I like to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:08 PM
-15

So? It's not a competition. It's a History lesson on great people.
/r/MensRights01/06/21 09:01 PM
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Stop what you're doing, and read "The Male Brain" and then "The Female Brain" If you really want to have a stable perspective, psychology is your friend. Don't get caught up in identity politics, it won't liberate you; much the opposite. Seriously, read some pop-psychology books and go on walks and you'll figure it out. There's nothing wrong with how you feel, it's perfectly natural.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/21 08:56 PM
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I wouldn't call it an "off chance." There have been plenty of female Titans as well. IMO, it's totally reasonable to be inclusive of all great people, and great men and women have more in common with each other than they do the normies of their gender.
/r/MensRights01/06/21 08:51 PM
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Absolutely, monogamy was a huge shift from the harem days of our ancestor species. As more skills were needed to survive, children required much more education. But "mating for life" is clearly not the path that would apply to most humans. Most people have more than one mate in their life. From what I've seen, most of monogamy revolves around jealousy/insecurity and in no way nullifies the older desires for more or better partners. My posit is this: in order to become monogamous, humans did not …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:47 PM
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If diversity is the most important factor, why would any species have harems? Further, why wouldn't the strangest looking people be considered the most socially attractive? Also, what separates humans from other domesticated species such that cognitive sexual selection plays no role in human evolution?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:33 PM
1

What is the purpose of sexual reproduction over asexual? Why do we have half as many wombs?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:00 PM
2

what the fuck is evolution?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 07:36 PM
1

Pretty sure sex is the only way to pass on genes, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 07:35 PM
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The issue is not hypergamy existing, it's the gaslighting around it. Ofc hypergamy needs to exist, how else would evolution work? The majority of babies being made by the better gene males is essential, and this has to be the way women work. But many women don't admit it, or acknowledge how hard it can be on men with any amount of empathy. I know plenty of guys who aren't attracted to fat girls and openly acknowledge that's really gotta suck and do their best not to shit on them anymore than lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 06:42 PM
2

This is some fringe site. I know they're saying the quiet part out loud, but... I dunno. This article probably got more views from us than anyone else.
/r/MensRights01/06/21 06:18 PM
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Frankly, the point of dressing sexy is to attract sexual energy. That's the fucking point. Everyone knows it. You dress sexy, and sexual energy comes your way. And a lot of it is positive feedback, but some sexual energy is toxic. The fact that the world is filled with toxic sexual energy is a bummer, but everyone knows it. It doesn't make it okay, but taking absolutely zero fault in the situation is the other end of the spectrum. The unfortunate reality is that until we start taking mental heal…
/r/MensRights01/06/21 06:16 PM
3

Love really isn't that easy. Whether or not your veins are pumping oxytocin, that's easy. Whether or not your perceptions of the situation are actually grounded and realistic in the middle of that high... not so easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 06:01 PM
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More logical on average, perhaps... men don't get far telling people about their feelings. But intelligence is contextual. And being aware of their own feelings is something men tend to be bad at, because of the whole logic thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 05:48 PM
1

The evolutionary purpose of men is utility, but men want to be real people. It's like asking if slaves and slave owners can ever get along. As long as the empathy gap exists, there will be no peace. And while closing the empathy gap would absolutely benefit both parties, humans are -- by nature -- extremely lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:52 AM
2

I suspect it's overwhelming majority territory. A lot of the "spark" is excitement, and very few things can stay exciting forever. Also, very, very few people will let anyone actually be themselves, and it's only a matter of time before you hit the fork in the road: do I want to be my full self and end up alone? or do I want to be a less fulfilling version of me but avoid the trauma?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:41 AM
1

But how do you know that the tobacco companies were doing this to sell tobacco, and not just trying to give everyone lung cancer? Do you have any evidence? Do you have enough evidence to prove everybody was just trying to sell tobacco? This could be a conspiracy! Things in the human world don't happen randomly as appears to be what you are saying No, I'm saying Occams razor. The simplest system to realistically describe the situation is probably the best guess. Fine, then your personal theory ha…
/r/MensRights28/05/21 08:21 PM
1

By your own words your pet theory can't be proven No theory about social causes and effects can be wholly proven. It's a type 2 chaotic system. We can barely prove the effects of DNA mutations and those aren't even truly chaotic. Even if you found memos that wouldn't mean shit. You'd have to literally record the sum interactions of every single person in power to be able to have anything resembling an accurate data-set. If you truly think that nothing should be said without "evidence," then the …
/r/MensRights28/05/21 07:52 PM
1

No, you just aren't able to read.
/r/MensRights28/05/21 07:01 PM
1

You're bringing up some great subjects of finding truth, but what you're saying isn't logical. Which is typical for the "without evidence x social thing can't be real". That's not something I've ever said to someone without at least supplying contradictory evidence. The thing is, if you really thought about it you'd recognize that the chaos of human systems makes it inherently impossible to prove any form of cause and effect ever. There could always be some overlooked factor. We are, unfortunate…
/r/MensRights28/05/21 06:33 PM
1

The reason I started off with 50/50 is because I'm not on board for the "solution" of forcing, but I recognize a real problem at the core of such bombastic claims. As it stands, there aren't any truly non-invasive birth controls for women or men. But we are (theoretically) much closer to finding one for men. I'm not a big fan of "forcing" things onto people either... but I also recognize that better upbringing alone could do more good a few generations on than practically any other political sta…
/r/MensRights28/05/21 03:40 PM
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Occams razor will suffice here. An actual scientific study of something like this would cost tons of time and money and likely yield vague results at best.
/r/MensRights28/05/21 03:34 PM
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Nah, I mean men kind of build/make everything happen.
/r/MensRights27/05/21 04:39 PM
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It became "offensive" and stopped making money. I'm not saying any of this is fair or just. It just doesn't require anything but greed and laziness to explain.
/r/MensRights27/05/21 04:35 PM
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It's not at all lunacy. People looked up at the stars, saw a couple that seemed close together, and then turned it into a massive story... and that's not lunacy. The idea that people would look at society and see a story of intention is a really, really common fallacy to make.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/21 04:22 PM
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It was a personal attack. You basically said: "you aren't trying and/or suck, that's why bad happens to you." You made the assumption his loneliness was just, when we know for a fact that society is anything but. Blaming people for not fitting in or being attractive enough is super anti-diverse. It's regressive AF, and -- frankly -- I'm not a fan of you being censored, but it is nice to see this go the other way for once.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/21 12:30 AM
1

A description from a trusted source is a lot more than most people get. Look, it's a beautiful vision, and I think we as a species can achieve it. But we aren't there yet, and being ignorant of that is one of the first hurdles to overcome before we get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 12:27 AM
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It's an easy/cheap way to get laughs -> views -> money. Literally, that's it. Pretty much everything that seems like "an evil conspiracy" boils down to people stumbling onto an easy solution and not taking the time to check if the drawbacks are falling on someone else. Then ignoring it when told, because they'r lazy and don't want to change and know for a fact they never intended to do "x bad thing."
/r/MensRights27/05/21 12:18 AM
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Meh. It was an cheap/easy way to get laughs and views. I know it seems like everything is orchestrated by highly cooperative and powerful forces, but reality is that people are lazy and take whatever the most convenient and obvious way forward is. TV execs stumbled onto an easy/cheap strategy and took it. You don't need any bad-will to explain this one.
/r/MensRights27/05/21 12:15 AM
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If you get to know a person, ofc their personality is going to come through more clearly. But good looks will always come through clearly quicker, and in more places. Good looking people are at an advantage and it's ridiculously obvious. And the reasons are obvious. Long term relationships, personality is king. Being friends first helps a lot. All of that. But in terms of arousal, being "hot" always cuts the line in front of personality. And I think we should admit that if someone is good enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 12:12 AM
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Solving a physical problem (plumbing) is a bit different because the pipes don't have feelings. But for most things, I see a difference in scope but not in function. I don't think humans differ that much in their approach to life. Also I didn't say "just chaos," I said "chaos and statistical phenomena." So, yes; there absolutely is inequality by design. But this is something that happens at every single level of social interaction; it's called politics, and chimpanzees do it too. And this "desig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 11:59 PM
1

Yeah, money and power can also do this. There are exceptions. And exceptional people. But the exception is not the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 11:45 PM
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But isn't that exactly what everyone is doing? Stumbling into a formula then replicating? Because if that's the case, it should be all of us vs a bad habit; rather than our bad-habit vs theirs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 11:35 PM
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People liking hot people and only caring about that characteristic isn't the same thing Not only caring, but it is the basis from where they judge. Do you know about "the halo effect." Depending on how a person looks, their actions will be interpreted in entirely different ways. So while the person might feel like they are judging their actions, it still is their looks which define the judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 11:32 PM
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It's vastly more likely that they fell into their actions via convenience, recognized that they worked, and kept doing them; rather than they got together and orchestrated a brilliant plan. A razor I personally like a lot is "Don't assume evil where ignorance or laziness will do."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 11:30 PM
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"patriarchy" Basically, through all the chaos, somebody was always going to come out on top. But humans don't see chaos, they see intention. So whoever came out on top, they must have orchestrated things! They must have banded together to cheat! This inequality is proof of their meddling! And THEY ARE EVIL. So by advocating for men, you're advocating for evil. The fallacies here are "assumed intention" and "apex theory," and they will always arise from inequality, and inequality will always aris…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 10:52 PM
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People don't think if they don't have to. Thinking costs energy: cognitive load. If it can be avoided without too much consequence, the instinct is to do so. And the fact that men are aware of their problems is not an exception to this rule at all, it's actually pretty obvious for men who aren't totally gaslit. Many men who see their problems don't see the problems that are obvious to others. Anyways, right now the cultural norms (that which is familiar and easy) is still heavily pinned to evolu…
/r/MensRights26/05/21 10:46 PM
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Were they drunk too? I think that matters in cases of drunk people fucking.
/r/MensRights26/05/21 10:40 PM
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As long as the generalization is in good faith of the data, and it doesn't amount to saying every individual embodies the generalization: yes. Ofc it's okay. Large groups of people will always have some sort of overlap, and it's totally fine to point those out. But the way FDS generalizes is much more like AWALT, in that it takes a generalization and applies it to every member. So context?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 10:29 PM
3

Women seem to dominate the world of social media. Men seem to dominate the physical world. Just an observation/hypothesis.
/r/MensRights26/05/21 10:25 PM
3

When searching for a partner to produce a child with, there is a dramatic shift in criteria. That being said, many couples end up with dead bedrooms once the needful has produced some spawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 09:26 PM
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You can’t generalize a whole group of people. I mean, that's the only people you can generalize: a large group. The issue with AWALT is that it implies a single shared trait amongst all women individually, rather than a statistically normal one amongst women as a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 09:21 PM
1

It's not so much sex that's important as the bio-chemicals associated. Oxytocin is important, dopamine is important, stuff like that. If those are being released through other means (typically laughing, cuddling, working out, enjoying each-others company, etc)... as long as the right chemical cocktail is happening, it doesn't really matter how. That being said, sex is especially efficient at creating such bio-chemical cocktails.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 09:15 PM
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A lot of this is really insightful, so I'm giving the upvote. You put in an effort. In particular: the aspects about searching for a group identity to meet the need of belongingness. But I think you put too much weight on the draw of such a group as "single men" or even "incels." Typically, these types of groups are a last resort, and the people within them are still trying to get out. But it fails for -- unfortunately -- shallow social reasons, and so they go back to the group and heal by commi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 09:09 PM
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Ah. Well, in that case you must be the exception. But it definitely isn't hard to tell from hollywood actor/actress choices, or the view rates on porn hub, or the stats from OLD, or numerous other sources: you are an anomaly amongst the human populace. And I think people like you should be the norm, and that it's worth talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 09:01 PM
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Eh. Neither women or men are a borg. If they were raping their rapists, then it might be karmatic. But as it is, I highly doubt many of the people being raped are rapists.
/r/MensRights26/05/21 08:59 PM
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What kind of porn do you masturbate to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:50 PM
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complain about having friends that won't have sex with them are wrong The complaining part is an issue, but we really should have a frank and serious discussion about how primitive sexual attraction has become in the modern world. Our ape brains are still gravitating towards "big tit giggles" and "sharp jaw tall," while liking someone enough to spend free time with them sparks very little arousal. And it's clearly not working out for us as a species, because everyone who sees it feels objectifie…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:42 PM
1

Why the fuck do you just keep on assuming I'm an idiot. I've been super patient with it, and responded very reasonably but you just keep assuming I'm saying something that I absolutely never even remotely said. Fuck you dude. You've proven yourself incapable of decorum, and are likely a lead boot on society.
/r/MensRights25/05/21 09:25 PM
1

Yeah, ofc. Having everyone on birth control would limit accidents dramatically. And lead to better parenting overall (I should think).
/r/MensRights25/05/21 09:20 PM
1

Obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 09:11 PM
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True. And this is a mens issue I really don't think we talk about enough. But long term, I do think it would be good for a lot of men to have to soberly choose to be able to produce a child. I get that a lot of people think of children as belonging to adults, and therefor a parenting issue. But I think of children as being deserving of a good life and therefor the parents wants come second. People shouldn't be able to produce children in scenarios where the child will grow up and think "what the…
/r/MensRights25/05/21 09:09 PM
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This one is particularly interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance From what I understand, it's sort of a sugary/crystalline substance which can easily be flushed out, but is like icebergs to the titanic on sperm. (notice I used the same word you did) I don't get what you mean by this. Is there a better word I should be using?
/r/MensRights25/05/21 08:55 PM
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I can be "friends" with anyone. But here's my gauge for who immediately goes into the "never really trust" bin: strongly identify as any political party - they're an ideolog. their opinions can easily shift, and what's okay today might be bad tomorrow. low talent, no hobbies - they survive not through merit, but herd tactics. they'll follow the herd, what's okay today might be bad tomorrow. everything is a duality - once again, an ideolog. simple minded, etc. focused on pop culture - herd tactic…
/r/MensRights25/05/21 06:00 PM
1

You're doing it right. Keep your head low. Nothing good will come from trying to confront a person who's hinged their ego on a really easy to believe in fallacy. Especially one who has power over you. As soon as you can get out, do it. This is exactly what women would advise to a girl living under a cruel father. Sorry bro.
/r/MensRights25/05/21 05:51 PM
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Depends entirely on context. * Is it my mothers friends coming over? Well, probably just some embarrassing stories. * My girlfriends friends coming over? If she invited only girls, it's probably something where I should leave the room... we share friends anyways. * I walk into a coffee shop and it's all women? I should probably leave. Very uncomfortable. * I'm in a hobby that's dominated by women (ie salsa dancing)? That's actually pretty exciting, as I get to meet a lot of people. * I'm at a pa…
/r/MensRights25/05/21 05:45 PM
2

You know those clips from the 50s-60s that are crazy sexist and kind of embarrassing as a man (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzQEuK8ZJ4)? This is like that x5. It's not even subversive. Someday -- I hope -- people will look back on this stuff and feel at least a little bit of question for their current beliefs.
/r/MensRights25/05/21 05:34 PM
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"Social services" and "socialism" are pretty much synonymous in public discourse. But by definition "socialism" is a terrible idea (the amount of suffering that would be caused through the process of switching over is immeasurable). And by definition "social services" would not only make us happier and healthier, but are also cheaper for taxpayers than the alternative of waiting until problems get really really bad and then fixing them. So I usually just say "social services." It floats better w…
/r/MensRights25/05/21 05:16 PM
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"Radical Centrist" - We need big change now, but I don't care which side(s) a good idea may come from. Overall, all the parties suck (though some certainly do suck harder).
/r/MensRights25/05/21 05:12 PM
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Apex fallacy strikes again. That being said, the men who say women should be enslaved or die come off as extremely extreme. The women who say it are practically mainstream. The degree of hyperbole that each side applies is not exactly equal. But any hyperbolic perspective is still an apex fallacy.
/r/MensRights25/05/21 05:06 PM
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I'm 50/50 here. There are forms of male birth control which are much less invasive. And I do think there should be some sort of "basic responsibility check" before anyone produces a child. It doesn't need to be quite so stringent, but it should be slightly harder to pass than a drivers license, or owning a gun.
/r/MensRights25/05/21 04:58 PM
2

Has anybody also reliably experienced this? Very reliably. Intuitively, only men are likely to recognize that they are more than a tool... and even amongst men it is rare. Evolution created men for utility and utility alone, that's why we don't have wombs. Evolution also propagates whatever mentality best adheres to it, so -- from an intuitive/emotional perspective -- men exist for utility and utility alone. "We aren't human beings, we're human do'ers"
/r/MensRights25/05/21 04:54 PM
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Potential genetic factors: being ugly - less options releasing more oxytocin - too much of a bonding feeling associated with sex But, overall, it's a cultural thing. Oxytocin and bonding are only as strong as you are starved of them... if you get enough, it'll mean less. And being ugly is more of a cultural thing than genetic in the sense that it's the culture which moves the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:38 PM
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You should stop defining success as "getting married" or really anything where the point of a mans life is to be chosen by a woman. I get that nature is like that, but at this point it's a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:30 PM
1

Calling it crazy seems to be in agreement with calling it unlikely. Not impossible tho.
/r/MensRights25/05/21 12:02 AM
1

Highly unlikely. Meat is extremely inefficient. Wouldn't do well in space. And is a major factor in us destroying the planet. All things which they'll likely say: "it was so obvious, I'd never do that," like people do now with everything bad in the past.
/r/MensRights24/05/21 10:45 PM
1

Very hard to say. Apex predators tend to have more confidence, and I can't say whether that would make them more or less cruel. Besides, it's more an issue of laziness and ignorance that outright cruelty. And I don't expect anybody to stop, it's just important to recognize bad habits. Like -- I know that drinking can be extremely damaging, so I try to be cognizant of that. I think everyone could do the same with meat: still enjoy it, but at least be aware that it's probably not gonna look great …
/r/MensRights24/05/21 07:14 PM
1

Even in comparison to hyenas, we're far worse. Would you rather spend your life in a tiny cage of suffering to have it end with a quick and humane death, or spend your life free to have it end it suffering? And you could say everything is torture (life is suffering, etc). But the way we treat stock animals is... it's really, really bad. And I can't think of any argument logical that makes fetuses more of an issue than what we're doing there. Either life is sacred, or it isn't. Saying just humans…
/r/MensRights24/05/21 04:48 PM
1

I'm not PETA at all. They're fucktards who have some of the most ridiculous ideas around. But their problem statement is correct. Animals do feel suffering, and it not an ethical thing to do. And I do eat meat, so no judgement here. I'm just acknowledging it is tortured flesh.
/r/MensRights24/05/21 04:39 PM
-5

Pig's are measurably more sentient than unborn babies. We don't call it murder (or even torture) when terrible things are done to them.
/r/MensRights21/05/21 07:24 PM
1

My experience with "sex being for the man" is that it tends to involve a woman who has a lot of hang ups that get in the way of enjoying it. Any woman who says what they want can probably get it. But I've been with women who don't like toys, or fingers, or mouths... and so PIV is all that can be done. And I can't give any guarantees on stamina there. I don't know why I keep finding women who don't like toys/fingers/mouths, but it just keeps happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 06:31 PM
1

I'm not getting laid these days so... it's kind of irrelevant.
/r/MensRights20/05/21 06:07 PM
2

Feminism is mostly been gobbled by race stuff. The term "white feminism" can throw a wrench in any feminist discussion. But race stuff is getting gobbled by "socialist" stuff now, where you they throw a wrench in by saying "we should tax the rich and elevate everyone instead of arguing about race and getting nowhere." Who knows what will gobble up that one next.
/r/MensRights20/05/21 05:56 PM
2

isn’t some inequality caused by at least historical intentions Absolutely. Though many of these intentional events come from some status quo that arose from chaos. As an example: a small advantage is leveraged into a large advantage, at which point the common thing for a group to do is think they are inherently better, and then start treating it like a fact. As for the wage gap: here's a forbes article which simultaneously says it's real, then shows it's not, then comes up with reasons for it to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/21 02:52 AM
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A bunch of people recognized that there was something of a subversive caste system in the US power seats that put whites above blacks and men above women. That was lame, so people decided to call bullshit on it. Then it got popular, and the lowest common denominator form of the idea is what we have now. Two caste systems: 1. a relic of the past; with whites and men in power 2. a "woke" contrarian of #1; white man bad For anyone who isn't a total dumbass, both of these are garbage caste systems b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/21 09:57 PM
1

Then neither is rape.
/r/MensRights19/05/21 04:34 PM
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Almost every gender issue ends up becoming a phenomena of statistics when you start to look into it. Another interesting one is that males tend to have wider normal distributions for any given area. This puts males on both the bottom and top end of the spectrum, but given the "apex fallacy" most people only see the top. Wage gap is yet another place where statistics end up yielding that it is cheaper per hour/position/years of experience to pay a man. There's also "agency" which explains a ton o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/21 09:30 PM
2

The false accusation subject is just the other side to the rape coin. Both are extremely rare, but even at low odds it only takes once to really fuck up your life. Personally, I think focusing on either too much doesn't really do so much to stop it from happening as it does to make life worse for the person worrying.
/r/MensRights18/05/21 08:39 PM
1

Yeah, that's exactly what I think too. Personally, I think they tend to work together. Nature is consistent, to the degree it shows up in people it is predictable. It makes itself seem normal, so then it starts getting cultural decor. Then it becomes both working together.
/r/MensRights17/05/21 07:43 PM
2

I'm saying find a private space for their own benefit. It's very hard to tell who is trustworthy enough to cry in front of. It's often best to just have it to yourself.
/r/MensRights17/05/21 07:37 PM
-5

Fetishsizing Men Crying Posts Look, it's totally okay to cry. And if you need to hear that to do it, please find a private space and let it out. But the issue is not that men don't cry enough, it's what men want to cry about.
/r/MensRights15/05/21 10:49 PM
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Then let's make one. I think a solid "nature vs nurture" space would be amazing. People tend to lean one way or the other, but rarely does it get the nuanced inspection it deserves.
/r/MensRights15/05/21 10:46 PM
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This is a strong example of cognitive priming / bias and its effect on perception. Clearly, this woman has spent so much time thinking about misogyny and patriarchy that she's seeing it in places it makes no sense at all. In her mind, there was certainty that what she was perceiving was somehow an attack on her. It really is amazing how much we spend our lives in a collage of over-simplifications, and how bad things can get when these simplifications are focused in the wrong direction. Some simp…
/r/MensRights15/05/21 04:52 PM
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For clarity about what's going on. As best as I can figure out, by modern standards, the reason these are seen as offensive: all females have vaginas, but not all women are females (transgender stuff). on average women are not as strong as men, but individually there are plenty of women who go to the gym and men who don't. So by the most technical standards (using modern definitions of women), there is some falsehood... I guess. That's the best I can come up with for trying to understand this.
/r/MensRights15/05/21 03:53 PM
1

I'm not arguing for feminism. I'm saying a lot of women want a man around, so they can't have a kid without one. If that is true, then it takes both equally.
/r/MensRights12/05/21 11:04 PM
1

This is one of the best reads I've ever seen. It's fucking amazing. Read it; the whole thing.
/r/MensRights12/05/21 11:03 PM
1

I can come to terms with there being bad in the world. I've had to deal with fear plenty. It's shitty, but you once you get to a safe place, it goes away. What I find hard is coming to terms with there not being good in the world. I may never find a place that gives me love and acceptance. I may never feel that I belong. I'll keep searching, but it's taken a lot of getting used to to keep going when I'm always coming face to face with my own disposability.
/r/MensRights12/05/21 10:29 PM
1

a lot of women won't have a kid without support
/r/MensRights12/05/21 10:23 PM
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promoting racism "White men bad" As for feminism, and far right: they're built on the same fallacies, but they're inverse of each-other. Far right fallacy: look at these successful white men, I'm successful too. Feminist fallacy: look at these successful white men, I'm oppressed by all men. So they both push the narrative that if you're a white man, you're winning always... just in different ways.
/r/MensRights12/05/21 10:18 PM
1

I'm not a fan of stupid either. But, seriously, I'd rather help smart than try to stop stupid.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 09:22 PM
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Bro, I'm really sorry this happened to you. The day you learn not to trust your sense of trust is a mind fuck indeed. Getting hurt or abandoned by people who you believed to be your safety net... it's fucking hard. But here's what you do: you need to get your ability to trust your sense of trust back. So: be more intentional with who you consider a "spotter" friend; someone who will catch you. it's okay to have friends you know won't be there for you, most of mine are that way, but their company…
/r/MensRights11/05/21 08:04 PM
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Please stop fetishizing crying. If you're refusing to let yourself cry, forget the haters and let it out. It feels good. But ffs, this isn't the problem. The problem is what men want to cry about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/21 07:48 PM
2

The difference in wages between the median working woman and median working man is 81/100. If adjusted to compare men and women of the same title and same years of experience, the gap becomes ~96/100. At a 96/100 gap, men in salaried jobs would only have to work 4% more hours (1.5 hr for 40hr work week) for the wage gap to be gone. Or perhaps women work more overtime? For the most part, salaried jobs do not record it, and hourly jobs pretend it never happened. So it's either apex fallacy, or "me…
/r/MensRights11/05/21 07:41 PM
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At best, coming back to my hometown after college and being a lot more fit/handsome and having no interest in the girls who hadn't valued me before.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 07:32 PM
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Honestly, it sucks and all, but I prefer a country where people are allowed to do this. It's their money, they want to spend it on women's education, seems fine. My issue is that nobody wants to spend money on men.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 07:25 PM
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I will never understand the idea of tying consent more to age than sobriety, or any measurable level of intelligence.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 07:23 PM
1

They aren't singular "groups". Honestly, just abolish the entire idea of race/gender based "grouping" if you want to see clearly, and instead look at them as trees (or if more technical, node graphs). There are tons of branches, and they're all kind of fuzzy and mixed together. In short, MRAs have hate branches, and feminists have non-hate branches. Don't be reductive. Be nuanced.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 07:02 PM
1

"The Male Brain" and "The Female Brain" both kind of touch on it. The slower metabolism, social minded bits are easy to look up. Stronger, faster, men is common knowledge at this point, but that's easy to look up too.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 06:52 PM
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Not really. Female mutations tend to be towards survivability in safety. Less sickness, slower metabolism, social networking, stuff like that. Male mutations tend to be towards being exemplary: strong, fast, solve a single big problem, etc.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 05:34 AM
1

They're basically just philosophies. Stoicism, cynicism, etc.
/r/MensRights07/05/21 11:42 PM
1

Kids and finances are both just long term projects.
/r/MensRights07/05/21 11:41 PM
0

Why should a man get to keep the kids if he barely raised them?
/r/MensRights07/05/21 11:41 PM
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the more I end up leaning towards blackpill ideology and serious nihilism If you're going through hell, keep going. Blackpill is absolutely valid in its problem statement. Its solution (LDAR - lie down and rot) is a terrible solution. Personally, I go white-pill or honk-pill. I use a mix of faith in myself and humor to be able to stare in the abyss and keep moving forwards. Healthy copes bro!
/r/MensRights06/05/21 06:58 PM
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"Attempt" means: they told a friend, a friend called the cops. Women aren't cutting the wrong way, taking too few pills, jumping off short buildings, and tying crappy nooses. There is no actual attempt. It just gets reported as one if you're saying you're going to and the cops have to take you to a psych ward for a few nights.
/r/MensRights06/05/21 06:51 PM
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Attempted suicide: "I called my friend and told them I was thinking of killing myself that night. They called the cops" Even the fact that women attempt more is actually a sign of them being more likely to have someone to intervene. It's not like a bunch of women are just cutting the wrong way, or taking too few pills, or tying a shitty noose. "Attempt" doesn't even mean attempt. And ofc more people are going to get to the point of calling a friend than the amount of people who get to the point …
/r/MensRights06/05/21 06:48 PM
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If it was an option, the best option would be to have an honest conversation about what you want. Unfortunately, that's rarely actually an option. Further, if she was able to hear you out and continue seeing you as a human, that would make her solid girlfriend material; so in both cases you won't end up with a fuck buddy. There's likely no good/moral way forwards here. So get yours I guess.
/r/MensRights06/05/21 06:42 PM
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Why should a man get to keep his kids if he had no role in birthing them? The truth is she did have some role, and money is not the only shared investment a couple can have.
/r/MensRights06/05/21 06:29 PM
1

I used to work a job where my boss told me to smile. So I started smiling at that job, and it became the best part of my day. Smiling does actually make you happier, and I wouldn't mind being asked to do it more often. Especially because I have bad teeth... which is the whole reason I was always afraid to smile. I still have a hard time showing them.
/r/MensRights06/05/21 06:25 PM
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It's not about saying "no," it's about who they said "yes" to. Basically, you hear women go on and on about how terrible the men they've fucked are, then they decide you're not good enough to fuck. What does that mean? In reality it means they're getting smarter about vetting. But on a gut level it means she'll never give you as much as she gave those shitbags. You're one wrung down from the people who she calls garbage. If a guy gets told "no" by a virgin, you'll see a completely different reac…
/r/MensRights06/05/21 06:16 PM
2

What -- logically -- was the cause of your change?
/r/MensRights06/05/21 06:07 PM
2

Can we be friends?
/r/MensRights04/05/21 11:18 PM
1

should probably delete this, or at least change the title.
/r/MensRights04/05/21 10:40 PM
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I'm always down for men feeling they can cry, but it does get tiring seeing it come up all the time. I've seen it called "fetishizing crying." Would rather see more men giving each-other compliments or something like that. I enjoy a good cry when things are really beautiful or sad, but it doesn't feel like that is the thing my life needs more of.
/r/MensRights04/05/21 10:39 PM
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I think this needs to be more nuanced. A high def camera pointed directly at the bed is not okay. A low def camera pointed away... seems totally fine to me.
/r/MensRights04/05/21 03:47 PM
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Woah. Lot of assumptions here. I thought we were finally getting into an interesting discussion. This happens a lot. I was raised in a matriarchy, so certain things I take for granted get glossed over. I was not raised to treat men (chuavenist pigs) as equals, but was raised to treat women as authorities. I was taught that women always know what's best, and men are dumb. Now I believe everyone is dumb, myself included. But at least I do my best to be aware of it. You aren’t sociable or “tactful”…
/r/MensRights04/05/21 03:20 PM
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I don't ever see incel lingo here, but I think the belief system still shows up; and I think that's because it's kind of true. Looks matter a lot, many guys get played, many girls have sexcapade phases, if you don't have the "x factor" you'll probably never get fucked the way she fucked some other guy... this stuff still manages to come out in this sub here & there because it's largely true. But pointing it out in any form is instant incel to most.
/r/MensRights04/05/21 02:00 AM
1

All these bros gushing over the last compliment they got. It's insane how telling it is.
/r/MensRights04/05/21 01:36 AM
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The image link is broken in that link you shared.
/r/MensRights04/05/21 01:16 AM
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Lol. "Out of touch." As is: "My entire concept of truth is based off gut reactions to familiarity, and this wasn't familiar and is therefor wrong. I have no logical argument"
/r/MensRights04/05/21 01:10 AM
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Typically, blackpill stuff in what's called incel. Blackpill being something along the lines of: "red pill is a cope. women care about looks first, and if you don't have them you're probably never going to get fucked animal style from lust; best you'll get is beta buxxxing as a simp after she's rode the cock-carousel of chads" Technically, I don't think much of this belief system is overwhelmingly false. But it would definitely count as an "incel" comment.
/r/MensRights04/05/21 12:55 AM
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Honestly I’d be more interested in men’s perspectives on it if they would concede that things like catcalling and workplace harassment are just gross It's gross a lot like pooping and farts. We all pretend it isn't there, but nobody actually holds it against anyone if they find out they take shits. Though I'm way more comfortable talking about the size of a shit I just took than what I'd like to do with a particularly attractive woman I just saw. One is funny when done right, the other is object…
/r/MensRights04/05/21 12:01 AM
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Do you think changing perceptions of cat-calling might have even impacted your behavior? Yes, ofc. And I definitely think this is a big part of creating change. I was never arguing that people should be inconsiderate, or that there's a problem with getting people to understand when they are being that way. ... On the other hand, should be ban all forms of self-expression which cause discomfort? What is the threshold here? Expressing sexual interest in a person is not a threat in and of itself. A…
/r/MensRights03/05/21 06:16 PM
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what kind of “hand” do you see mentally healthy men needing in order to stop predating upon women aside from education about how it scares and objectifies women, which is what calls for it to stop are offering? This sounds like an extremely interesting thing to study. Surely, it should be more beneficial to not rape, but there's either a gap in education here or some gain not being looked at. Or perhaps these "mentally healthy" men are okay with self destructive behavior. Of anything, I think th…
/r/MensRights03/05/21 04:30 PM
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We didn't stop tigers from snatching children by asking them. That's what I meant by the standard way of stopping predatory behavior. And preemptive work is definitely a better direction. For the worst cases, you're usually dealing with a sociopath... so you can't really ask them to change either. And I have no idea what the definition of "mentally healthy" is that results in rape, unless you're talking about drunk stuff. Also, stricter laws are totally reasonable, though the burden of proof is …
/r/MensRights03/05/21 04:03 PM
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I think it says something about who is taking responsibility when conversations about cat-calling so often turn to how women should arm themselves. What do you think? I think that humans have dealt with millennia of predators this way, and so far nothing else has worked. I can't be around when someone stalks you, only you can. If I could, then it may be up to me to take responsibility, but it seems kind of patronizing to say women couldn't possibly defend themselves and need men to... especially…
/r/MensRights02/05/21 06:15 PM
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The degree to which it is intentional. I could be 50/50 cultural convenience and external influence. It could be even less. It also could be any country, or any number of countries acting together. Calling it subverted implies a level of proof you simply do not have. Further, it implies that masculinity is inherently better than the alternative, which isn't really measurable; that's just your opinion. I may agree, but I can see my own bias here.
/r/MensRights30/04/21 11:25 PM
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While I see your points, there's a lot of leaps of logic that you'll state with some questionability the first time, then take for granted from there. Also, women outperforming men is not an issue in itself. Nor is demasculinity one. These to not inherently imply any form of abuse. And while they are related, focusing on them will certainly cause a lot more friendly fire than focusing on issues in which abuse is inherent.
/r/MensRights30/04/21 08:32 PM
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Not really. But it can be less specific. In my own head, I label them a "super culture." As in: a culture/ideology large enough that it inherently must have been reduced to a lowest common denominator. I don't think any super culture on Earth is of value, and honestly wish all the people who subscribe to them could have a quick, peaceful death as soon as possible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/21 08:10 PM
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If I was a single issue voter, and my single issue was this: sure. There are other even more important things to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/21 08:07 PM
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Happiness that comes from others doing things for you tends not to last long. So no matter what men do for women, it'll always end up becoming the "new norm" or average. And funny enough, people tend to get more attachment from forgiving someone than from that person doing them a favor. It's sort of a sunk cost fallacy thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/21 08:01 PM
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Honestly, he could be a child eating demon from hell, and I wouldn't care: I'm just happy to have someone mention climate and the middle-class for once. And bagging on trickle down economics.
/r/MensRights30/04/21 06:20 PM
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I can imagine that being extremely frightening and that's lame. But why the fuck are all men being blamed for this? It seems like it's predominantly homeless guys who are going through even worse shit than that themselves. Further, why not carry a weapon? A 50lb child can stop a grizzly bear by pointing a spray can in the right direction (bear mace). Modern weaponry has completely leveled the playing field. This is no way an excuse of these mens behavior. I just don't get how why women wouldn't …
/r/MensRights30/04/21 06:08 PM
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You didn't. I was agreeing with you in different words. Should have put a "/s"
/r/MensRights30/04/21 05:56 PM
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I mean.. ish. I don't like having homeless people accost me for money. But I'm not about to write a blog about how shitty they are for doing so.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 09:39 PM
1

If I enjoy a woman's company I end up attracted to her. So terrible of me...
/r/MensRights29/04/21 08:56 PM
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Arguing with [some/most] vvomen (why double v?) is like talking to children Arguing with [some/most] people is like talking to children Most people are children, especially if they can get away with it. FTFY
/r/MensRights29/04/21 08:54 PM
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Banned from "purple pill debate" for saying that "being ignored makes a person feel subhuman" Apparently the word "subhuman" is "blackpill lingo"
/r/MensRights29/04/21 08:48 PM
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As far as gender issues go, I think trans people have one of the most uniquely "cross the gap" perspectives. To have spent part of life being both genders definitely gives insights that might be hard to fully compare otherwise.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 08:47 PM
1

When everyone has a say, experts become the minority
/r/MensRights29/04/21 03:57 PM
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Recommended term: egalitarian. Or -- personally -- I just say I'm "anti abuse" and that covers everything.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 02:22 AM
1

To some degree: America the Beautiful It mostly revenge on stupid people, but many of them are women.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 02:19 AM
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Everyone and everything is becoming radicalized. This is what happens with social media. This is also the inherent problem with a full democracy: you don't actually want everyone to have a say. When everyone has a say, only the lowest common denominators can win. Nuanced ideas have no place in a fully democratic place such as the internet. So, yeah, men are getting radicalized. And so is everyone else. And that's fine, but radicalized people shouldn't be allowed to vote or get rich.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 02:15 AM
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Yeah, I think this could very well be something we are doing to ourselves. Such things exist, and it's important to be able to distinguish between things done to us, and things we do to ourselves. Lest we want to become like feminists who never take responsibility for their mistakes.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 02:08 AM
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While this is a gendered issue, I think it might also have something to with pretty much everyone having an attachment to titties in the form of having fed from them. Mens buttholes don't spark that same level of endearment. Not that mens buttholes are any less important than titties, but it's probably 50/50 a gender vs part of body thing.
/r/MensRights26/04/21 04:02 PM
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Lets be real here: every major culture is stupid for this same reason. Not just feminism. They all are competing over gobbling up the most low hanging fruit.
/r/MensRights24/04/21 12:10 AM
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By the end I redacted. People thinking for themselves is fine. The issue is when people have a say on things they have zero proof of knowledge about, and are incapable of reasoning around.
/r/MensRights23/04/21 10:17 PM
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Every large scale cultural ideology is retarded. That's how they get so big: they speak to the lowest common denominator. Culture is meta-cognitive parasite that makes people trade their pursuit of self-actualization (essentially their soul), for the comfort of easy answers and "belongingness." In short, fuck every pop-culture, every major political party, and pretty much every other large group of people.
/r/MensRights23/04/21 04:50 PM
1

Which one is clear? Never heard that philosophy
/r/MensRights23/04/21 04:46 PM
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Not entirely. Red pill is like a lot of cultural movements. The problem statement is correct, but the proposed solutions kind of suck. Red pill tends to lean towards "fight back," unaware that they mostly end up throwing fuel into the fire. Personally, I go whitepill: acknowledge the harsh reality, accept it, do your best to love yourself and be good in spite of how the world may be. Also honkpill: dark humor. Learn to laugh as humanity falls apart.. kind of like joker.
/r/MensRights23/04/21 04:45 PM
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As a woman, I'm pretty sure you could go to the school board and tell them you feel like a victim of this and have them care. Perhaps something like "I like to see myself as strong, and I like to feel safe in the world. This teacher is constantly pushing fear onto me, and trying to make me feel weak"
/r/MensRights23/04/21 04:42 PM
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men are primarily after only one thing from women. There are plenty of other important things in life, but I don't need a relationship to make them happen.
/r/MensRights23/04/21 04:30 PM
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Blue Pill -> Red Pill -> Dark Grey Pill -> (Black Pill, Honk Pill, White Pill) at first you believe in fairy tales then you believe that the world is fucked but you can still win then you realize you'll never win finally -- to move forwards -- you either lean into hatred (black pill), humor (honk pill), or blind faith in oneself against all odds (white pill) Personally, I consider anything but honk and white pill to be delusional in an unhealthy way.
/r/MensRights23/04/21 04:27 PM
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Honestly, I don't think most people are qualified to "think for themselves." Which doesn't mean I think they should think like me. But I still am not very impressed with the analytical abilities of the average person. ... actually, it's fine if dumb people think for themselves, but the issue is that they have any say in anything.
/r/MensRights23/04/21 04:23 PM
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Their goal is to literally depopulate the world and use any method to do so. If this is what's happening, I'm on board. Humans are wayyyyyyyyy wayyyyy wayyyyyy over population limits. There's way too many of us, and I'm always rooting for less people.
/r/MensRights23/04/21 04:16 PM
1

ai dungeon Woah! Amazing!
/r/MensRights23/04/21 12:40 AM
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Honestly, I'm really banking on "companion bots" to do a lot. Basically, womankind has been sitting atop the throne of having monopolized men's access to fulfilling (ie not rape, or fish style) sexual expression/experience in most forms for all of history. This has been a massive gender dynamic. Companion bots could very well shift this dynamic in a way no species on Earth has seen for millennia. Perhaps it's for the better, perhaps for the worst... but I'm hopeful that this massive shift will u…
/r/MensRights22/04/21 01:17 PM
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Yeah, this kind of smells like right-wing conspiracy theory to me. Where tf did the post office get the money? And why would they do this with it? And don't we already know the gov monitors everything?
/r/MensRights22/04/21 01:11 PM
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Totally on board until this part: I don't NEED food. I don't NEED clothes. I don't NEED shelter. Take these things from me and I may become a dead human. But I NEED the freedom of expression. Take this from me and I will not be a human at all. I think it's important to recognize that a lot of personal humanity is lost on the path to starvation and homelessness. Much never comes back (PTSD). A lot is also lost when not allowed to express oneself, but it's good to be cognizant of how fast one woul…
/r/MensRights22/04/21 01:06 PM
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Dude, you and like 12 other people were too stupid to understand what I said at all. It wasn't in any way feminist. I'm just not so ignorant as to think it's hard to imagine people being misogynist. It's really easy to imagine pretty much any form of human shittiness, because humans have done pretty much every shitty thing they could. If the post said, "imagine this happening now" then I'd find that hard.
/r/MensRights22/04/21 12:53 PM
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It's really unfortunate. Words like "rape" "racism" and "nazi" are (were) all very meaningful. There's been a serious "boy who cried wolf" thing going on, and now I'm typically very suspicious of anyone using those words. I find that people who really mean it, share the story instead of just the conclusion; it's always more damning.
/r/MensRights22/04/21 12:42 AM
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Saw a similar article recently. My take: if men are taking care of the house, they should set the standard. If they want to live like bachelors, so be it. Obviously this wouldn't fly. Women have a lot of stuff, and a lot of standards; but those are theirs. If having the stuff and standards isn't worth the effort, then have less stuff and lower your standards. Don't go forcing it onto men. Why can't men have the expectation of women to be less worried about this stuff? But women can expect men to…
/r/MensRights22/04/21 12:40 AM
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I'm still not saying that what the misandry subreddit squatters are doing is acceptable. Just that I can easily think of cases where men have been shitty to women. It's not unimaginable that men might do such at thing at some other time and place. But if brought into the modern context, yeah.. that wouldn't fly at all. It'd be a shit show. The book! Read the book! It's... so fucking good. One of the best non-fiction I've ever read. And it gives one of the clearest understandings of how human cul…
/r/MensRights22/04/21 12:34 AM
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If people want to be traditional, that's fine. If they don't, that's fine too. I don't think we tend to assume too much about people we don't know, and then resist when they diverge.
/r/MensRights22/04/21 12:29 AM
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anonymous forums
/r/MensRights22/04/21 12:28 AM
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You are basically trying to justify this present discrimination based on 'history'. Once again, not making that argument. I keep saying it, but you keep going back to it. I am in no way saying women are correct to act shitty for historical wrongs. I'm just saying it's not hard to imagine misogyny having existed (or still existing in some places). And apparently you agree: As I pointed out, historical correction was already made. You should read the book "Sapiens." It's by no means feminist, but …
/r/MensRights22/04/21 12:16 AM
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Look, if the statement was: "Imagine something like this happening today" I'd totally be on board. But it didn't give an era, so I said: "It's not hard to imagine, history has examples" History has examples of everything. Calling almost anything "unimaginable" without context is hyperbolic, and dramatic. And I hate how everything must be in overly-dramatic phrasing these days. As for historical examples, there are literally so many example of misogyny (voting, jobs, schools, marriage, rape) that…
/r/MensRights21/04/21 10:16 PM
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I think it's because we as a society value the self-driven individual a lot. I definitely do. The women of the past who were happy to have less rights and more protection are considered ignorable compared to the types of women who wanted to have autonomy but couldn't. And I agree with that. I strongly value people who pursue self-actualization over those who pursue mindless convenience. I'd say that -- historically -- fully sentient men have had a lot more opportunity to pursue their interests t…
/r/MensRights21/04/21 10:02 PM
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Huh. Well, should this be true, this seems like a totally fair thing to do. Honestly, I can imagine a world where it becomes the standard, and part of turning 18 is choosing a new name and hormones should you want to.
/r/MensRights21/04/21 08:36 PM
1

No irreversible effects?
/r/MensRights21/04/21 08:05 PM
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Is there any such thing as a puberty slow down strategy? I totally understand why one would want to transition as young as possible... it seems to yield good results. But, also, doing it before 16 seems kind of too early imo. So if there was a way to stave off your current puberty to be able to have a more effective transition later (without any irreversible changes), that seems like it'd be the best of both worlds.
/r/MensRights21/04/21 07:25 PM
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I don't think he's saying that women are always cheating. What he's saying is that every bit of support a woman has outside of you adds up. Don't be oblivious to the slow approach of your deprecation as you become less and less useful. Most women are pretty open about how they don't want a "project" boyfriend, so it's clear that men are around for what they bring today and not what they could become tomorrow.
/r/MensRights21/04/21 07:20 PM
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People divide themselves. They need simple answers, and the easiest one alive is: "hate everyone who believes differently than you." I honestly think it should be a crime to have your beliefs questioned and fail to respond with anything logical. Otherwise there's literally no draw-back to group think, and hostile anti-intellectualism.
/r/MensRights21/04/21 06:35 PM
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I said nothing of revenge for the past. I don't believe in that at all. You keep trying to bring in history because that's the argument you want to have, but I'm not the kind of idiot who disagrees. What I said is that if you're going to act like nothing bad ever happened to women, ofc they're not going to take mens problems seriously in response. It's shitty of them to continue the cycle, and it's shitty of you too. Break the cycle. I fully admit that women were denied autonomy and that sucks. …
/r/MensRights21/04/21 06:33 PM
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Female supremacy has always been a thing nothing new Women have been denied quite a bit of autonomy throughout history. Granted, they've always had better access to empathy and communal compassion, so do children. And I'm glad that -- unlike when I was a child -- I get to make my own decisions now. Is this subreddit really so far removed from understanding what feminism was originally about? Not just what it's become.
/r/MensRights21/04/21 04:41 PM
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If you're going to act this way, you deserve to be treated this way. I'm fully willing to admit that women have been denied a lot of autonomy throughout history. I also find modern feminism to be shitty. Why be shitty too?
/r/MensRights21/04/21 04:33 PM
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Imagine if people went around claiming and squatting subs about misogyny and women's issues only to deny misogyny/women's issues exist. I mean, it's not hard to imagine because shit like this has happened. A lot of men did used to deny that there was any suck at all to being a woman. And that was pretty lame. We should all be aware of the inadvertent ways that social norms can suck for the person we apply them to. But that street goes both ways.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 08:46 PM
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Several scholars have argued that the "women are wonderful" effect might be better phrased as "women are wonderful when" effect, with the "when" meaning when women are not in charge There's a really funny double meaning to this critique. It was supposed to mean "men don't like women to have power," but has somehow realized itself as "women in power aren't very empathetic of men"
/r/MensRights20/04/21 07:42 PM
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You are the one complaining. Clearly. And all of those values have been out the window for almost half a century now. I'm all for democracy, justice, etc, but it's been a long, long time since those have been anything but slogans. America is a consumerist, individualist oligarchy, divided into multiple factions of intellectuals. We just use "our values" as a means of telling ourselves how great we are; but we don't actually enforce them. If you're worried about the loss of "American values," you…
/r/MensRights20/04/21 06:30 PM
3

Wow. This is a level of terrible I simply have no gauge on.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 06:04 PM
1

assumption of character or intent based off sex. a form of prejudice.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:34 PM
2

American values lol. you're looking at American values right now buddy. The sad truth is that it is you who hates American values, because they became something shitty... but that happened a long time ago and has just kept getting worse.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:31 PM
1

That's like saying "sexism is worse when it comes from a woman," which is itself sexist.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:28 PM
2

Always blows my mind. A dude shoots up a place, and he's seen as an oppressor. When would an oppressor ever walk into a place, start shooting, and commit suicide? It seems a lot more like a last ditch effort for attention.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:27 PM
1

Same submissive shit that got a lot of women into abusive relationships. I suppose this is the equality they were looking for: a balanced amount of abuse, rather than an end to it.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:24 PM
2

I'm torn on whether you should fight, or live to fight another day.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:22 PM
8

Equal rights are important. The issue is that we never updated our voting systems, so it's still a popularity contest. The most intelligent men and women are still outvoted.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:19 PM
11

Humanities College Professors My comp-sci profs taught me to program and that was about it. Let's not go throwing all the good profs under the bus too, they work hard to educate and that's something to be respected.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:18 PM
3

And, very likely, the upper class. Because pretty much everyone is being taken advantage of at least somewhat by super rich/powerful whims. The big mistake being to think that classism === patriarchy. Or that we aren't all in this boat together.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:13 PM
5

I think it's safe to assume the child and mother aren't great therapists, so this may be the best they can do. Which in more than enough. Typically, people do the least they can for men.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:11 PM
4

Never heard the term the "empathy gap," but damn it's good.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:08 PM
2

While I do think it's important to use adjectives to illustrate what specifically is the issue (ie "radical"), feminism is pretty much inherently radical. Egalitarianism is about equality, and everything else is about "I want more." And even when people absolutely deserve more, the act of calling oneself a warrior of progress while only focusing on their own needs is such an extreme amount of delusion that it will only be a minority of people who are not eventually radicalized.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:07 PM
3

Anyone have a link to the video he was fired for?
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:03 PM
1

It’s just meaningless. I just enjoy doing that thing with someone I love. How you can you tell they love you back? Or that you aren't being cheated on? Or played? And is sex with someone who is taking advantage of you more meaningful than sex with something that's sole purpose is to make you happy?
/r/MensRights18/04/21 03:19 PM
0

I'm the one saying that without any evidence this is an actual threat, he's just crying wolf.
/r/MensRights18/04/21 01:34 AM
1

Honestly, that kind of AI very likely already exists behind military red tape.
/r/MensRights17/04/21 12:31 AM
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You first. The honness is not on me to prove it's not a threat, but you to prove it is. Otherwise I could just pull any random threat out of a hat and say "it's real until you prove the odds aren't for it".
/r/MensRights17/04/21 12:28 AM
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you cannot prove that you aren't alive "I think, therefore I am" And how are people any different from "input output" systems? also i doubt that in 10 years Agreed, but 100 years for sure. I think if you're able to love animals, or feel loss when your favorite character dies in a show, or think a cartoon is cute, or get lost in a book... any of those things is enough to say "loving a robot" is within the realm of possibilities.
/r/MensRights16/04/21 05:54 PM
1

buddy, you need to think more often. 1.you have no way of proving anyone but yourself is alive. there's no good reason to think that sentient AI doesn't constitute life. This is like... super basic stuff. This is the kind of shit I was figuring out when I was 10. Maybe start by watching the Matrix? It's pretty easy.
/r/MensRights16/04/21 05:39 PM
1

Yeah, but everyone around you could easily be a robot or a simulation. Even your own experience of yourself could be a simulation. It's funny you think you're too good for robots, when in less than a century they're going to be too good for us.
/r/MensRights16/04/21 05:26 PM
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Dude, you're acting the way feminists do about rape. Don't be an idiot and stick your dick in crazy. Ask for a paternity test if it arises. Common sense should be enough to keep you from falling into this trap.
/r/MensRights16/04/21 05:24 PM
1

How do you know anyone is?
/r/MensRights16/04/21 05:20 PM
0

What, that most people suck? Do you really give credit for the good in humanity to average people?
/r/MensRights16/04/21 05:19 PM
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Sorry bro, but if you're stressin over this, you're just looking for a reason to stress. The odds of being the guy this happens to are extremely low, and practically zero for anyone who isn't a moron.
/r/MensRights16/04/21 12:09 AM
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It seems like outrage for the sake of outrage. This isn't a study of some larger trend or anything like that. And it isn't directly about mens rights. And while it is totally obnoxious she did this, one of my biggest beefs with feminism is obsessing over every little time a guy does something wrong because it validates their beliefs. This is no different.
/r/MensRights16/04/21 12:06 AM
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I've found that if you make any group of people superficially (grouped by skin, gender, religion, wealth, etc) you'll find that most kind of suck, a few really suck, and the awesome ones are basically their own group. Awesome people from all walks of life have more in common with each-other than they do with any of their "groups"
/r/MensRights15/04/21 10:24 PM
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At it's core, it's not that people discount mens issues, it is that choosers often discount chasers issues. It just so happens men take on the evolutionary role of chasing more often. But it's totally typical for the power that comes with being on the chooser side leads to objectification and ultimately "not wanting to hear about it" when it comes to their issues. If men were doing the choosing (and women the chasing) I suspect we'd see the same thing in reverse. And there are places where that …
/r/MensRights15/04/21 06:39 PM
5

This doesn't seem like a mens rights issue
/r/MensRights15/04/21 06:23 PM
1

Guilty until proven innocent is not okay. Full stop. Imagine applying this logic to Black people. See the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 05:38 PM
1

Did you not see the graph? I know it's not what anyone wants to believe, but personality and looks are pretty much the same thing. The variance is minimal. There's something called the "halo effect" where the more attractive a person is, the more likely we are to forgive them. And forgiveness is extremely central in connection. If what your were saying was true, we would be a much better off species. And I think we should try to make it real. But what reality is now is that sexual attraction is …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 05:35 PM
1

certain personality traits very different from "personality" as a whole. Sure, powerful or invulnerable can make a big difference. But even those traits come off completely different once a guy is below the "meh" threshold. For instance: when a short guy is assertive, that's called a Napoleon complex. When a loner is confident, they're full of themselves. When a hot guy plays WoW all day and doesn't shower, he's geeky cute. The very act of assigning "personality traits" changes based off surface…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:58 PM
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I'm not going to rule out the possibility she uses a truly objective scientific approach. Though it does seem unlikely, given all the vastly more interesting scientific subjects true scientists gravitate towards.
/r/MensRights15/04/21 04:06 PM
1

There's a chasm between what women think they want when unaroused vs what they are turned on by. When not aroused, women like romance and personality. But arousal slowly turns off all the parts of the brain that can recognize complex characteristics like that. If you do a brain scan of someone reaching orgasm, pretty much everything but the most primal parts goes dark.
/r/MensRights15/04/21 03:59 PM
2

Y'know, it would be really funny to make a video like this
/r/MensRights15/04/21 03:39 PM
1

Short men and brown skin men consistently get worse treatment from women. It's not a personality thing. When you aren't horny, sure you care about personality. But you have to learn to recognize the difference in your tastes between when you are and aren't aroused.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 03:34 PM
1

still there
/r/MensRights15/04/21 03:28 PM
2

Totally agree. I'm still surprised it hasn't been banned as hate speech though. But to be clear, I'm not a fan of banning in general. The one exception being active anti-logic misinformation campaigns that prey on weak minds and ultimately leads them fucking up other peoples lives.
/r/MensRights15/04/21 04:57 AM
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The year is 2025. Chemical castration has become the standard way to prove you're an "ally." Any man who walks around without a 24/7 soy face is labeled a terrorist. Deep in the mountains, the last bastion of men play video games and fuck dolls... but at least they're free.
/r/MensRights15/04/21 04:54 AM
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Lol. No If that was the case, there would be no correlation between superficial features and body counts. But there totally is. Look, I want to think it too: "I'm a good guy, I choose based off personality." But it's time to be realistic. Sexual attraction is primal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 03:55 AM
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Let me rephrase: you don't have to talk to someone to know whether you'd be willing to fuck them. You can tell immediately, but if you talk to them and they're obnoxious it can be a deterrent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:36 AM
2

You don't have to talk to someone to know if you'd fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:20 AM
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Not even remotely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:19 AM
1

If you have children with a man who you're attracted to regardless of their personality, you'll produce offspring who'll have the same advantage. And if you convince some "good father" chump that it's actually their child, you'll get a whole bunch of help raising the kid. The only drawback is if the "father" finds out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:07 AM
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Evolution. The more you need sex as a man, the more likely you are to pass on your genes. For a woman, the better you can restrain yourself and think critically, the better father you might get out of it. And if you cheat or baby mama, you can get the best genes and best father both.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 11:21 PM
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The fact that sub hasn't been banned as a hate group yet blows my mind.
/r/MensRights14/04/21 08:58 PM
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Similar, but there's a certain irony to a movement all about equality making the same mistake.
/r/MensRights14/04/21 04:36 PM
1

Escalationism is just a long road to "who tires first." It's important to fight back, but only when you absolutely believe your attack will destroy them. For instance, the atom bomb was not escalationist. Nor is sending the max amount of troops possible. But getting into a battle slowly is just a waste of time and resources. We should take the high road until the day a believable victory and/or peace is within reach. Peace being preferable, but whatever ends the battle soonest with least investm…
/r/MensRights14/04/21 04:34 PM
0

lol. Why can't you love a robot?
/r/MensRights13/04/21 07:22 PM
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PLEASE don't mirror feminism: No tit-for-tat type of shit... it's cyclical and solves nothing. Also, it would make MRM seem derivative. Beta test: before saying something big and public, pass it by critical people and let them tear it apart. There's nothing worse than a movement so far removed from critique that it just starts talking out its ass. Love: the point is not to hate women, but to love men. Spreading bitterness and rage-bait might get people on your side, but once the movement becomes…
/r/MensRights13/04/21 05:12 PM
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Once sex/companion bots come out, I don't think anything will ever be the same again. There will be an arms race between bots and women on being the most interesting conversationalist, and the best in bed. And the women who become interesting will very likely not be feminist.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 05:08 PM
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and it was seldom a net positive one. TBF, this is true of most people. The average man or woman has a net negative effect on humanity, but occasionally an amazing person shows up and makes up for it a thousand times over.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 05:03 PM
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For them. Doesn't mean shit for anyone who wasn't involved though. Giving failure normies credit for the success of remarkable people who look like them is dumb.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 04:42 PM
2

devil worshipers This is always a funny thing to hear. Nobody worships the devil, not even Satanists. They worship themselves.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 01:40 AM
0

True, whatever people believe is what's "real." But it's still important not to feed into shitty belief systems. Only makes things worse in the long run.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 01:39 AM
1

Just further pushes the Apex fallacy. A person's worth is not defined by the apex of their "group."
/r/MensRights13/04/21 01:33 AM
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Please don't assume I'm an idiot. The part where discrimination is dumb is obvious. And I've had that conversation a thousand times before. There's nothing there to learn. But I would like to hear more stories about women who've actually produced their own music. Not just pretty faces that sing, but the true "equal" women. I am interested in that, just as much as I'm opposed to this.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 01:30 AM
1

This was about 200 years before the start of the scientific revolution, and about 400 years before Europeans were considered a world power. Just to give an idea of how long ago that really is.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 01:17 AM
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Just going to put this out there: I really appreciate Grimes for being aspergy as fuck about her music. Locking herself in a room for weeks and pumping out an entire album is super impressive to me. A lot of these chicks look like they don't produce their own music, but maybe I'm wrong.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 01:14 AM
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Feminism: having a gender based social hierarchy (the patriarchy) is bad Rational People: yeah, that's fair Feminism: we should create another gender based social hierarchy to fix it Rational People: huh
/r/MensRights13/04/21 01:10 AM
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Lol. Terrible censoring.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 01:06 AM
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So, a much lesser experience, but I once was blamed by some craigslist housemates for stealing a wallet I had not. It was like taking crazy pills, having people believe I did something so terrible and it gave me a permanent sense of "I can't trust people to trust me." In the end, getting those people out of my life did a lot. And I'm always extra careful now. So, I guess my advice is: start over somewhere else.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 01:02 AM
3

Holy shit, it's real (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-victims-of-war/)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 12:11 AM
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There was one recently where a guy was pretending to be gay because he couldn't get any love or attention from women. He was labeled the asshole, for leading men on "because he was bored" Somewhere in between they translated "lonely" to "bored" just to hate on him.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 12:09 AM
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There are healthy forms of competition, and unhealthy forms. It has a lot to do with what happens when you fail? How much do you lose, and how long does it take to try again? Is is worth it?
/r/MensRights13/04/21 12:06 AM
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Having seen how many women work in hospitals, I think a lot of bad would happen if all women seriously did this. But doctors/nurses don't tend to fuck around like that. Just in general, the kind of women who do truly necessary jobs are every bit as accountable as the men doing them. But they aren't the typical job.
/r/MensRights12/04/21 04:07 AM
3

Only some people go to the olympics, but everyone can be a cripple.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 03:25 PM
10

I'm a big white-pill or honk-pill fan. Whitepill is basically what you said: accept your position in life, but don't be a pessimist; do your best to improve. Honkpill is similar to acceptance, but through (dark) humor. Find a way to laugh. They're analogous to the two major escape-hatches humanity has always had when cornered into a miserable situation: faith and humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 12:41 AM
1

male birth control does exist, but greedy lobbyists from female birth control wont let it in. It's super effective, cheap, and has pretty much no drawbacks. It's basically just sugar in your tubes, and the sperm run into them and die like the titanic on an iceberg. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance) It would absolutely be better if women had mens sex drive. With men's sex drive there is a surplus of arousal, so it's just a matter of self control. We can…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 12:39 AM
1

what is birth control?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 12:26 AM
1

I see no issue with the limits of men's attraction to women. Men do seem to lean to control a bit, but it's not a hard need. Women, OTOH, can not seem to cross the hard line of being attracted to average men. AFAICT, women are full on repulsed by men with looks and moodiness equal to their own. That women can't seem to get off to equality is an issue... it makes equality impossible. And it's seemingly biological, but I really hold hope it's just cultural.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 12:24 AM
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bluepill and redpill are the same family of delusional, IMO. the blackpill was a bit too pessimist for me, but I think it's the most correct of all: looks come first (no bluepill), and trying to overcome them is always a sunken cost investment (no redpill).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 12:15 AM
21

"Chauvinism and Feminism might seem like strange bed-fellows, but they've been together all along" - Honey Badger
/r/MensRights07/04/21 12:10 AM
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This is how it works: 1. Have a mood 2. Get made fun of 3. Learn to have less mood Repeat until you have almost no moods at all.
/r/MensRights07/04/21 12:07 AM
8

Comfort, intrigue, a bit of ego inflation, a bit of pressure... basically the same as getting a newbie to try drugs. And I totally know I can do it (and totally will if drunk or on coke), but when sober it just feels fucking wrong. I was raised by an engineer business woman mother, and egalitarianism is so engrained the whole act of seduction just feels disgusting. It's so fucked up... even when women state they enjoy being seduced, it's like a junkie telling you "they like being given drugs." I…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 12:52 AM
2

Okay. I get what you're saying. What are the words you'd put between coming back from war with wounds a woman can heal, and coming back from war a cripple? They're both vulnerable, but one will make you sexy, and the other not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 12:35 AM
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Birth control + equality then. Sure, you guys shared your technology, but we shared our physical body to bring you into existence. Men would do that job too if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 12:33 AM
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Your comment is surely the acme of social skills, empathy, and cooperation. I've never seen someone so prone to working with others and being compassionate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:56 PM
2

These were all my closest friends growing up. I was a bit of a tom-girl. They were every bit as oblivious about their own true desires as any other woman. There's a huge difference between women's tastes when unaroused vs aroused, and not many seem to acknowledge it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:55 PM
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But here's the thing: the things that made men good at fixing physical problems made them bad at fixing emotional ones. Women have an entire system for emotional support, but refuse to let men in. And this is after men shared every major technological advancement they had. This whole thing could totally be solved if there was a way to get women to love men for who they are: women but different. But it's literally a turn off to women that a man should do anything other than die with their baggage…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:53 PM
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Vulnerability does not mean weakness. So it's a semantics thing. IMO, if you aren't weak, you aren't vulnerable. You're just flexing by showing what you're able to handle. A person carrying a large rock is less able to pick up more. If they acknowledge "I couldn't carry another rock" that's not being vulnerable. Even though they're admitting they can't do something. Also, just because the dragon has one small venerability does that make it any less weak? The dragons vulnerability was not it's on…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:47 PM
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It's funny, I have every one of those skills. I'm a mountain man volunteer firefighter with a WFH programming day job, and have been playing with code since age 10. I built houses for a while, DIY everything, fix my own shit. I gotta tell you, it's wayyyy less effective at turning women on than you would think. It'd make me a great father (used to work at children's school for teaching them to be makers), but it doesn't get women to jump your bones. And without that first step, it's really hard …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:17 PM
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Dont come to me when I’m having my own crisis and cry about your problems. Don’t make me your only emotional support. Don’t come to me expecting me to fix your emotional problems. Yeah, so that, but from everyone at once. That's what it's like to be a guy. And you kind of learn to take the advice, and in so accept that you can't actually trust anyone to give a shit about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:08 PM
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I fucking wish it was "competency." God damn, if there's one thing I do have it's competency. But judging competency requires the person to be competent themselves. You can judge outcome (like money), but more often money is a sign of rich family than being competent. able to obtain important things I wouldn't necessarily call this competency in any broader sense. It's more like popularity, which is a very localized social competency... but even then it's not a sign of intelligence so much as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 11:06 PM
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I think predatory is just the best word I could find. What I was really trying to work at was the idea of "luxory entrapment." Finding people with needs you can fill, and things you desire. Which is not necessarily bad, but can often turn into more of a drug addict/dealer relationship; as opposed to something symbiotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 10:58 PM
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It seems most everyone got the impression that I believed women were less trustworthy as a truth. It's just a feeling, a gut reaction. I don't think that women are less trustworthy in reality at all. But I recognize me and many other men are less likely to trust women. That seems pretty reasonable to say, and even a small percentage of men would be enough to cause workplace discrimination.
/r/MensRights02/04/21 06:37 PM
1

Ah. My context was modern US. Outside of that, I've absolutely seen correlation between access to necessary resources and gender. Here in the US, there's an excess when it comes to such resources. But in places without excess, men will absolutely push their way to the front of the line. And women's best bet is to trade favors to such men. So then men are more motivated to cut line, and the cycle continues. For psyche health, that one is pretty consistently out of mens favor. True vulnerability i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 05:04 PM
1

it's obvious from the onset that the confluence of people here is jaded and misogynistic young men without too much prior success in dating and older misandrist women Welcome to Reddit!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 04:25 PM
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So force it? Do you really believe men will have earned it that way? Bitching your way into equality doesn't make anyone actually respect you. They just fear the wrath of your bitchery. That's why feminism is so inherently flawed, it can at best create only the illusion of equality. Real equality comes from working together to see our shared humanity, not getting bitched into forcing things to look a certain way.
/r/MensRights02/04/21 04:23 PM
1

Access to health is extremely important. And I'll wager with you that like all gender based statistics, the homeless ratio is probably inflated. As an aside, I should hope that homeless studies focus on the amount of people registering for assistance at shelters, then how many they can find sleeping. And this could throw another "what if" that maybe men are less likely to ask for help or something... I'd rather just go off the data we do have. gender and class as separate when they’re interrelat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 04:19 PM
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So it's indicative of gender based caste systems. And those are the problems. Simply forcing things to look like equality has never really done the trick, because everyone knows it was forced and therefor a farce.
/r/MensRights02/04/21 04:06 PM
2

IMO, companion bots are the escape latch for men. The big issue is that there are parts of most cis men that require feminine acceptance to not feel like shit. Right now, "feminine acceptance of men" is practically an oxymoron. So we make bots to do it, and everyone is happy. 20 years of development later, I'm not sure "organic" companions will really be able to compete. But that's a page out of dystopia for later.
/r/MensRights02/04/21 04:05 PM
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So glad that my qualities don't imply a "humaness." I bet if you asked whether worked-drone machines were more like men or women, you'd get the other half of this.
/r/MensRights02/04/21 03:58 PM
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This feels a lot like the over-simplistic feminist view on equality. If the issue is that there's some sort of gender based caste system which leads to this, then that is the issue. But forcing a hiring process to reflect the ideal doesn't really get to the core issue of "what's pushing it in the first place" and only creates an illusion of change.
/r/MensRights02/04/21 03:57 PM
1

Yes, unemployed women You're talking about classes, not genders. Ofc higher classes are more privileged. But it's not like men are sitting alone in high class society, women are there too. Also, wayyy more men are homeless. And I've been homeless, and even then it was never a lack of food, water, shelter that made me feel like garbage. It was that I didn't have acceptance and love. I've also been a vagabond, same lack of resources, but with friends and travel. And it was beautiful. Loneliness an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 03:48 PM
1

I think healthcare is the type of thing that public versions of should be able to dominate the private ones. A lot of costs can be cut by pulling out the profit motive. If done right, we'll have universal healthcare Never-the-less, I believe private industry should be allowed to compete. Giving the public sector the only "key to the palace" can easily turn into them getting lazy. Further, public sector shouldn't take chances the way private must, and we'd lose a lot of velocity by banning privat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 03:42 PM
1

Yeah I realize men think that. I'm gonna need a source on that for myself. You don't need a source to recognize that failing to retaliate only enables the behavior. You already know this to be true, which is the point of resistance in the first place. If it wasn't true, then all of feminist and black retaliation would be illogical. So would the entire idea of punishment. Tell me specifically what they are I suppose I shouldn't say rules, so much as paths. You can be missing one thing and have an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 03:36 PM
1

Glad you brought up the hierarchy of needs. Money and power aren't on there. Food, water, shelter, and safety are. And most civil societies make those fairly accessible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 03:19 PM
1

I never said all men.
/r/MensRights02/04/21 03:18 PM
2

And be a murderer. And be in jail. And be a hero. I fully empathize with how traumatic the subject experience is, but it's also extremely embolic of how women have become an oppressed group. It's better to die than to feed the beast... perhaps men know this better because we are the beast? So whatever we figure out, it's going to involve only consensual sex. I should fucking hope. And good sex at that. Nope. I think people should listen to men and their needs are as important as anyone elses. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 07:44 PM
0

Says who? Like, every historian ever. The further back in history you go, the more blatant it becomes. FFS, the idea of a man raping his wife was considered impossible in the same way that a man can't steal his own wallet. She was his property to do with as he pleased. It was historical law. Queen Victoria and Cleopatra both had power, but pretty much every person of power below them was a man. Women have been treated well, no doubt. But the ones who truly desired autonomy and self-actualization…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 07:37 PM
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I could have threatened him with it afterward? Absolutely. You could have killed him, and saved the next girl. Would would that have solved? The less certain predators are of prey, the better. If 1/10 women are packing heat, you can expect much less confidence on predators behalf. Less likely to attack. If even 1/100 of those women fuck the predator up at any point, that's both justice and incentive against. Weird how 995 out of every 1000 rapists faces no consequences then. Super not okay. Not …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 07:31 PM
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Okay, and you don't see how that might lead to discrimination of the women that are exceptional in this regard? I'm fully on board here that I don't trust women the same as men for reasons I've felt the burn from first hand. But I can also acknowledge that there's some friendly fire in making that assessment. Can you see that?
/r/MensRights01/04/21 07:18 PM
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The US. You really trust women as much as men?
/r/MensRights01/04/21 07:16 PM
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I will trade rape and abuse If you're seriously facing this, buy a weapon. The trick to predators has always been forceful extermination. It takes less than a month of training to become the most deadly person in the room (in most situations). And it's better to die fighting than feed the beast. I have some questions: Have you ever noticed that ghettos are more cut-throat and capitalist than anywhere else? Do you think it's because they're such terrible people, or was it their only means of surv…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 07:14 PM
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It weirds me out that what I said is controversial. There's so much cultural type casting that shows men as "get job done trustworthy" and not much for women. And nowadays, I trust women even less... I feel like saying one wrong thing is a day lost to drama. The idea that people trust women less in professional contexts is something I've seen first hand, I feel it for women internally, and I hear reports about from the women I do trust constantly. If you aren't catching any of that data, then we…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 07:08 PM
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Look, I get what you're saying, but you have to recognize that there's always been a subversive "men > women > animals" caste system of respect in pretty much every human culture ever. Not letting women vote is the least of it. Women were property for many cultures for most of human history (post agriculture). It wasn't okay. It wasn't egalitarian at all. I'm not saying women should take revenge on modern men for it, but neither am I saying the way women have been treated historically is totally…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 07:03 PM
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I know women who work in construction who have very convincing stories. I've also seen this in many corporate meetings. I (grain of salt) remember hearing about studies that showed both men and women trust men more when it comes to "getting a job done."
/r/MensRights01/04/21 07:00 PM
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because people are experiencing a real lack of connection with the people around them and we need to do something about it Totally agree. The way I see it, pretty much every major human need has been conquered by technology. The big one's we can't fake very well are "belongingness" and "romantic acceptance." As it turns out, womankind has been building a structure for making belongingness and romantic acceptance much less of an issue. Most women's issues are either feeling unsafe, or not feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:57 PM
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You really don't believe that men trust each-other more than women when it comes to accountability and task success? And even if you don't, "nowhere close" seems pretty extreme. Surely some men have a hard time trusting women professionally.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 06:40 PM
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I have, and it's super reliable, but I miss the feeling of having a "spark" almost every day. I would definitely recommend building it slow over chasing sparks, but the true thing we're all looking for is a spark that lasts. Unfortunately, people are kind of broken right now. A spark that lasts requires both parties to be really healthy mentally/emotionally. This world has fucked me up, it's fucked most women up, and it's probably fucked you up. So going for something reliable is the best bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:36 PM
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I'd educate men on absolutely every talking point of modern feminism, and urge them to pursue equality first. The men that came before us didn't let women vote, and that was mean. They denied them education, which should be a human right. What we're seeing right now is a very misplaced revenge, that happens to land harder on the men who care about real equality most. It's also "punishing the group" which is a war crime for a reason; the reason is that it's not justice. It's a stupid game of tit …
/r/MensRights01/04/21 06:31 PM
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Great point. It cant also be interpreted inversely that women have more of a herd mentality, and get along well but aren't very competitive, and it makes them less likely to discover/create the inventions of power. Which puts us at the exact set of widely held beliefs that humans have had before the pursuit of equality. Back in the 50s where it was a mans or woman's place (not into it). Optionally, we could say that both are earned through different survival strategies, and both should be shared…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:28 PM
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Women totally face discrimination, and you can probably find it in yourself. I can find it in me: I simply don't trust women as much as men. I share a language with men that I don't share with women. And most of the time I try to explain my thoughts to women, it doesn't seem to resonate... like they don't understand me. If you apply this to a bunch of men, you can start to see where workplace discrimination comes up. A lot of men don't trust women to understand them, or do what the job entails, …
/r/MensRights01/04/21 06:16 PM
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Fucking privileged much? Fuck it, if that's your belief than mens "pick themselves up by the bootstraps" mentality is the reason they have all the money and power. They earned it, every bit as fair and square as women earned their supportive community. And nobody has any right to complain they didn't build what the other had, or that they deserve part of it. Fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:10 PM
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Let's try this, in my perspective, your point is that culture should be blamed for misandry and mysoginy both. Is this a correct assessment? And what do you think my argument is?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:08 PM
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I think logical people have problems with abuse. Many men who controlled women through monogamy were abusive. Many women have controlled men through monogamy in abusive ways as well. Hypergamy is full of players, whether they're men or women playing someone is abusive. Consent is key here... I really don't know how to talk to you. There's no clear order to your thoughts that I can find... What STEM subject are you best at? We need a logical context so I can back you into a corner and prove you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:59 PM
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If you're attractive enough man, that support network is also there. if you're a child as well. It has more to do with the perception of innocence. The subconcious ways we've learned to value one-another. Evolution plays favorites, and women, children, and especially good genetic males come first. I get that you think you "earned" it, but you were handed it just as much as white dudes are handed their jobs. They say they "earned" it too, but anyone who's paying attention knows that people play f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:54 PM
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Culture absolutely reinforces natural predispositions. It totally has an effect. But blaming it is stupid. There was always going to be a culture around whatever our natural predispositions are. If you clear that culture, a new one will pop up that somehow is the same answers with different reasoning. That's why it's seen all over the world. Pairbonding was a means of educating our offspring enough to survive. It's a recent development in our history (the cognitive revolution was about 15000 yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:51 PM
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She believes her purpose in life is to serve her husband, even when she doesn't' want it. What kinds of pieces of shit do you think men are?! What the FUCK!?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:45 PM
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Pair bonding is found in nature. Incels fully recognize it's natural, they're still allowed to complain about it. Just in general, something being natural doesn't make it good. There's a lot of parts of our nature that suck. I'm just saying don't blame culture and men for the symbiotic relationships that evolution cast onto males and females. Please tell me you're a man, I'm already trying not to think any less of womankind. You can lie if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:39 PM
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"living independently" is garbage compared to having a sense of community/love/acceptance/support. anywhere a woman goes, there will always be at least one place she can find love and support. It totally sucks to not have the money/power to go it alone. But it also sucks having to always go it alone. You get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:37 PM
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Culture tends to be a product of whim and circumstance. If only a few cultures showed this behavior, it'd indicate circumstance. When a whole bunch do, the answer starts to point to biology. If the answer points to biology, you can start to look at other animals to get ideas of origin. EDIT: culture reinforces, so traditions and customs obviously matter. But blaming them is silly. There was always going to be some cultural explanation for the behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:31 PM
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Human history goes back a bit further than the agricultural revolution. You can see hypergamy through-out nature. And it's clearly not fathers marrying off their daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:27 PM
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Stereotypes exist for a reason whether they are fair or not. Dude, black people were labeled dumb then denied education a whole fucking bunch, and now black people are literally less likely to be educated. That does not make it okay to stereotype them as dumb. Stereotypes do exist for a reason, it's because they've been reinforced. It's not okay to keep reinforcing them. If enough people believe something terrible about a group of people, they'll begin to fall into it. Don't participate in that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:24 PM
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I kind of started mulling it over while reading "Sapiens." One of the big steps for humanity was groups larger than ~150 where heresay and gossip were no longer enough to maintain structure. As such, there needed to be people in power, and reasons made up for why they deserve the power. In the US we have castes such as: - men over women, because men are more reliable - whites over blacks, because whites are smarter - rich over poor, because the rich are good at management - humans over animals, …
/r/MensRights01/04/21 05:20 PM
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So then assuming 30 year old men who are chasing mid 20's girls are doing so in bad faith might be unfair? Or perhaps, it is fair, but the reality is that pretty much every age person of every gender who's trying to get laid is doing so in bad faith? I lean towards the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:13 PM
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That makes sense. I'm not really into gender norms, so it isn't for me. But it seemed pertinent to give advice beyond saying "it's easy." Have you effectively used this strategy in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:11 PM
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The cashiers can work stock if they want. The fact that they don't want to, but still want to get paid the same is a problem. I can't make you see that.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 05:09 PM
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You are such a horrid person. Seriously, you need to stop. I'm not kidding. I gave you the same treatment I'd expect if I fully failed to stay on subject. Don't act like the victim here, it was your mistake and I pointed it out... I held you accountable. It's okay to make mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:08 PM
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Mind sharing some advice on how to find these women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:04 PM
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dude, you completely failed to stay on topic. which I personally take as you subtextually saying I had a decent point, and addressing it would be problematic for you. So thanks, and I'm sorry you're dealing with all stuff you mentioned. Also "lmao what" is exactly the reaction I expect when sharing one of my deepest life long desires of being equal, and fully encapsulates how womankind responds to male vulnerability. That was a dick move on your behalf.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:00 PM
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That's fair. My point is that being interested in younger women is not a purely manipulative thing. Them being more playful (and trusting/forgiving) are both nice things to have in relationship. Any man who'd rather be with someone who's less playful, less forgiving, and less trusting seems like they might come with a list of bad adjectives as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 04:55 PM
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Yeah, neither have an up-front educational investment like architecture. One of the two is clearly harder. If the cashiers believe that moving boxes is easier and get paid more, they should do that job instead. But they don't, because it's harder.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 04:53 PM
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This is all very interesting. My beliefs were based off the books "the male mind" and "the female mind" It did not cover differences in cortical thickness. I still strongly suspect that a person with more coritcal thickness and less motivation will achieve less intellect than the inverse, but I need to look more into this. Do you have a book on the measurable ways that brains differ?
/r/MensRights01/04/21 04:44 PM
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We totally are different species. Our hormonal patterns, motivations, are so fucking different... it's strange how different our experiences are. As an insight to the sex without love thing, I've had that a couple times; the issue was that the person was really interesting when I was attracted to them, but the moment my sex drive faded away I was looking at monster of a human being... they didn't care about me either. The truth is that most women don't care about who men are on the inside at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 04:08 PM
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As an architect, you're payed for the work you put in. If you had to choose between going from zero knowledge to where you are now or digging holes the latter would be easier. But now that you have the knowledge, using it is definitely much, much easier than digging holes. It was a good investment that took lots of time. Learning to be a clerk is something that takes a few days. That's the difference.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 03:56 PM
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Women in their 30s are harder to deal with because they hold you accountable and expect more from you. I like being held accountable. Everyone needs external help to point out flaws at times. But it's not like only women in their 30s do that. Personally, I'm much more attracted to younger women because they still know how to play. Older women tend to be kind of serious, or at least the single ones are. Their inner-child is dead and there's nothing to be excited about, lest you feel like being ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 03:50 PM
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Honestly, I grew up with a strong engineer/business woman mother and a stay at home dad who played the dunce. I fully believed women were smarter, more fair, and just generally better than men. At one point I was fretting over trying to understand women, and a college roommate told me "you have to understand, bitches are dumb." I found the words distasteful then, and still do today (dehumanizing isn't okay). But it still sparked an idea I'd never thought of: "women might not be that smart." Even…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 03:40 PM
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That's very strange, because it's much easier to get women one's age passed 30... except for the part where there's not really much of a spark. Not because of age, mind you, but because the majority of people still dating in their 30s are kind of "left overs"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 03:34 PM
1

I've never met another MRA, nor would I really call myself one. I'm not an activist, I just believe. I've met many, many feminists. They're all over the place, but the one consistency I've seen is an obsession with gossip. I lived in a house with my gf (independent) and two feminists. When my gf and I hung out, we'd talk about projects, things we were trying to do, how the world works, interesting things we've learned recently, and ofc work grievances. But if she ended up in a conversation with …
/r/MensRights01/04/21 03:29 PM
1

I've seen it. But it's not like the guys weren't attractive in the first place. It's just by adding a layer of feminism on top, the girls can totally justify being with them.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 03:18 PM
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Dude, I've worked some busy ass restaurants, and dug post holes in the Texas heat both. It's true that socially skilled work is draining, but labor work blatantly deserves more pay. It's harder work. That's why you always see CEO's touting how hard it is to talk all day, and yet they'll never pick up a shovel. That's why slaves are always given labor jobs. If you've never done both, you should try it.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 03:15 PM
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Your half a brain example is extremely rare It is, but it only takes one to prove it's possible Locke’s Tabula Rasa Theory Obviously we're not blank states. But the degree of evolution it would require to have any complex differences is staggering. It hasn't happened. Perhaps simple ones, like responding more to certain hormonal states in one part of the brain than another, but that's still a motivation aspect. Not a limit on what the brain can do. Multiple intelligence Theory Saying this theory…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 03:02 PM
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Privilege and caste are different. Caste is only a small portion of privilege, but it's the only part people talk about. To actually compute a persons true privilege, you need to know a lot more about them than race/gender/wealth.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 02:49 PM
1

It's a well structured joke, but terrible taste. Killing your children can be a necessity, but show a bit of remorse eh?
/r/MensRights01/04/21 12:56 AM
1

It's really honk-jfl funny how every time a guy posts something about reality, he has to make sure to include that he's not an advocate for raping or some shit.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 12:14 AM
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Sure you saw this elsewhere, but "egalitarian." Personally, I just say I'm anti-abuse and anti-race/gender based caste systems. That just about covers every moral belief I've ever expressed.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 12:10 AM
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I'm not a feminist, but definitely egalitarian. The idea of women not being able to vote is fucking stupid. There are so many women who are so, so much smarter than you are; modern feminism is still dumb. And this was always going to happen; the issue is that our voting systems have not kept up at all with the people gaming them.
/r/MensRights01/04/21 12:07 AM
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phew
/r/MensRights31/03/21 11:55 PM
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It made sense during the first wave. And then it just kind of retained the name.
/r/MensRights31/03/21 11:55 PM
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lol. I swear, feminists are 100% friendly fire. Every bit of hate they blast out hits the men who are most supportive first.
/r/MensRights31/03/21 11:08 PM
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You're right. There will always be inequality. I just don't think we should judge people's ability to handle power by race or gender. I think it's a worthy endeavor to try to find better ways.
/r/MensRights31/03/21 10:50 PM
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Genes affect hormones, hormones effect motivation, motivation is the primary factor in success. But "intelligence and cognitive ability" are aspects of the hardware, and human hardware is all extremely similar. Our brains are all practically the same, it's our motivations which largely differ. Even between males and females, the differences are totally non-limiting. They may sway one or the other to think a specific way, but they are still able to think the other. FFS, there are cases of people …
/r/MensRights31/03/21 10:47 PM
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I don't think this is possible. But what totally is possible: we can all stop throwing each-other under the bus trying to get coochie. Bros before hoes.
/r/MensRights31/03/21 10:35 PM
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For most brain oriented tasks (ie not weight lifting), it's absolutely a fact that pretty much every person has a brain capable of doing most things very well with practice. The big discrepancy is motivation, passion, attention, and access to the education that works for them. I think it's really, really important to recognize the extreme potential that every individual has. And it is specifically those who transcend their racial or gender typecasting who best exemplify how amazing the individua…
/r/MensRights31/03/21 10:31 PM
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It should be called "group-identity politics" instead. But even then, the groups they're talking about specifically are the ones defined by caste. Not whether or not you're a billy idol fan, or like roller-coasters. Caste is the word, that really shows what this is all about.
/r/MensRights31/03/21 10:19 PM
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You got it in reverse. Guys who get sex become bad boys; there's no reason to waste energy on being anything but selfish. Guys who don't write checks; it's their best bet to change the situation. An ugly dude acting "bad" just gets the cops called.
/r/MensRights31/03/21 10:17 PM
1

Not a complete identity. I think there's a lot more to a persons identity that that.
/r/MensRights31/03/21 10:14 PM
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advantages and disadvantages, some are biological most natural advantages only come into play at the extremes. the average person is operating so far below capacity that a person with a natural disadvantage can easily surpass them by simply being driven. the real biology has more to do with interests, where men tend to go towards more anti-social and dangerous stuff (STEM is very lonely), and women go towards more social areas. But the limits on either gender are totally irrelevant except in the…
/r/MensRights31/03/21 10:12 PM
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Ish. I don't like calling it identity politics because race, gender, and money are not an identity. They are a caste though.
/r/MensRights31/03/21 10:08 PM
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Personally, I think caste should be based off a proven ability to be responsible with power. It should have nothing to do with your gender or the color of your skin.
/r/MensRights31/03/21 09:51 PM
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The whole concept of "privilege" is a big, giant misnomer. What they're really talking about is "caste," which is the sort of subversive trust system for who we do and do not give power to. In the US white's have been deemed more trustworthy than blacks, and men deemed more trustworthy than women. The truth is that actual trustworthiness is not a skin color or gender thing; it's a quality of character, and no race or gender is of any consistent quality. Honestly, most people suck regardless. But…
/r/MensRights31/03/21 09:18 PM
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It's a good place to try saying your piece in a way that might not get you burned at the stake. It's taken me a lot of tries to find the precise words to say: "I'm opposed to race/gender based caste systems (modern US), but also I'm opposed to race/gender based caste systems (modern Feminism)"
/r/MensRights31/03/21 09:08 PM
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There really is something different about men in this case. When it comes to fight or flight, a lot of men who feel threatened tend to fight. I suspect a lot of these mass shooters are pretty close to suicide, blame some group, and then go into a mentally-ill "fight back" mode. Perhaps the men who go for flight end up hermits?
/r/MensRights31/03/21 09:03 PM
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I can't tell if this is sarcasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 05:48 PM
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