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| 8 | Lack of equality in gender studiesLong comment, but relevant, given how much gender studies influence the policy even of global institutions. It's already been explained in this sub, but I think it's useful to repeat it. The World Economic Forum publishes a "Global Gender Gap Index". It's basically a leaderboard of countries, scoring them on gender equality. For each metric, they calculate a women/men ratio. For example, if 18% of women are enrolled in university against 23% of men, the ratio is 18/23 = 0.78. Once that ratio rea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/26 04:04 PM |
| 3 | Have you got the impression feminism is losing its traction too?In my experience, many people in the past years noticed the hypocrisy of mainstream feminism. But they wouldn't explicitly say so, because of fear of being seen as ignorant, right wing troglodytes with an agenda. It doesn't help that most feminism uses obscurantist social sciences jargon, so that many laymen are fooled into thinking they aren't competent enough to criticize the ideology. I think it's becoming gradually more normal for reasonable people, especially on podcasts/YouTube, to express… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/26 05:22 PM |
| 36 | "The war in Ukraine has become even deadlier for women and girls."We're witnessing what happens when a framework is adopted uncritically, becoming ideology. UN Women (or its predecessor, CSW), used to be about the promotion of equality. Equal political and juridical rights for women all over the world. Amazing. Then, around the 70s, the idea started to spread around that equality wasn't enough. A corrective asymmetry mentality needed to be adopted, to fix situations that structurally disadvantaged women, even under equal legal rights. Fair enough. But then the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/26 05:02 PM |
| -18 | Sabrina Carpenter Reveals Key to Writing Hits: ‘Call Men Stupid in as Many Ways as You Can’For one, I’m glad this didn’t spark wide controversy, as we’re already drowning in enough rage-bait. And to be fair, on a purely technical level, she’s not wrong: including man-bashing into lyrics is an effective way to cater to her target audience and, as a result, write a hit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/12/25 09:10 AM |
| 5 | Are we feminists by nature?You're onto something here. But you're being downvoted because of the way you phrased it. A lot of research in psychology suggests an empathy gap, where people tend to show more concern toward women than toward men when presented with similar harm. If feminism is taken in its broad sense as a focus on women's wellbeing, then it makes sense that most people will find feminism easy to agree with, at least intuitively. Because "protect women" is a deeply embedded imperative in the human mind. So ye… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/12/25 08:07 AM |
| 24 | Boys to be taught to respect women and girls as part of curriculumI cherish this kind of things. I'm accelerationist when it comes to feminism. I hope they continue, like they're actually doing, to antagonize boys and men. So that more and more people wakes up, and male advocacy can finally find a place in mainstream politics. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/12/25 07:47 AM |
| 3 | How to easily hide male victims - a tale of two citiesI didn't specify it, because the post was already long enough. But with this numbers (57% vs 43%), what I read is that the phenomenon would impact men and women exactly the same way, if it wasn't for men's average advantage in physical size. One might argue that women should be protected slightly more than men due to this physical disadvantage. But usually people don't do that. They blame sexism, misogyny or the patriarchy for women's being worse off, and over represent how much women are worse … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/25 10:01 AM |
| 8 | How to easily hide male victims - a tale of two citiesMafia City is not supposed to represent all the type of murders that happen outside of the home. It's specifically supposed to represent the crime on crime environment. Definitely I don't want to suggest that most victims of criminals are criminal too. The two city analogy is very limited: it's simply to make the point that mixing together statistics having completely different baseline populations is bad. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/25 05:25 PM |
| 1 | Germany and Croatia hate menHe is very obviously right. The recent result in Switzerland shows it too. With 84% of votes in favor of keeping the service male only, it is impossible that the majority of men was against it. This doesn't mean that it should be like that, and doesn't disculpate feminist hypocrisy. But it's useful to start from reality when talking about this stuff: a lot of men still are into traditional gender roles and don't see it as discrimination. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/25 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Thank you note from a womanIf politics is the exercise of upholding groups' interests, then yes. All politics is idpol. I guess the issue is that people have been convinced to impersonate identities which bring them to pit against each other | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/25 08:12 AM |
| 4 | Struggling with the lack of empathyAbsolutely, yes. Once it becomes an effective law, the Constitutional Court will examine it to decide if it's compatible or not with the Constitution. But I have few hopes, because the spirit with which "gender equality" is mentioned in the Constitution was meant to protect women's rights. Also, the law is written in an elusive way. It says "anyone who murders a woman". So in theory it's applicable to both men and women who commit "femicide". So it might be considered constitutional on that basi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/25 08:05 AM |
| 11 | Thank you note from a womanI don't follow him, but from the little I know, he seems to be into the name-calling, we vs them game. This is identity politics too, just another type of it. Definitively not a voice of reason. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/25 04:53 PM |
| 20 | Struggling with the lack of empathyI feel you. In my country, Italy, they are currently pushing through a bipartisan “femicide law” (article 577-bis) that would impose harsher sentences on anyone who kills a woman, if it can be shown that the murder was also motivated by misogyny. Most of the public criticism focuses on how hard it will be in practice to prove “misogynistic motives” in court. Most of those who have killed a woman do not go around shouting “I hate women”, and so it all boils down to a matter of judicial discretion… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/25 04:09 PM |
| 17 | Thank you note from a womanThe “1% vs 99%” topic was becoming a little too heated for the elites. Better to stifle the flame by pouring identity politics over it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/25 03:13 PM |
| 1 | Germany and Croatia hate menWar used to be the norm. Now peace is the norm. The vast majority of the world is at peace, thanks to economic interconnection and diplomacy. Extending it to more of the world isn't unthinkable. It just takes political will, which right now is being wasted over identity politics. Your ironic dismissal (press x to doubt) is the defeatism I was mentioning. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/25 07:21 AM |
| 1 | Germany and Croatia hate menThe fact that none of the downvoters responded to you means that you touched on an uncomfortable truth. Military deaths are always considered “part of the game” and, if even mentioned, are referred to in terms of resources consumed. Social media platforms host thousands of combat videos in which soldiers die violently. Apparently, those deaths don't bother advertisers, so Reddit, Instagram, and TikTok allow them, alongside memes and fashion influencers. Arguing over gender neutral conscription..… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/25 10:16 AM |
| -1 | Germany and Croatia hate menYou're being downvoted, but you're factually right beyond doubt. Finding solutions for men means facing hard truths like the one you are mentioning. You can't address the issue of male-disposability by pretending that it's a rule imposed on men by some overpowering external force. A large portion of men are neck-deep in machismo. They love the military and see the call to arms as a great opportunity to fulfill their duty. Of course this is a generalization, but I think it's pretty obvious that i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/25 09:52 AM |
| 8 | Misogyny is not MisandryBest post I read in a while. Here's why, in my opinion, their argument is wrong: Misogyny means hatred towards women. Or, more broadly, towards femininity. If a shaming a crying man was a display of hatred towards femininity, then we would expect women to be also shamed when crying. Instead, what's commonly observed is that women, when crying, are consoled and supported, not despised. Therefore we can infer that the target of the shaming isn't femininity in itself. What's despised by traditional… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/11/25 09:43 AM |
| 12 | When the Ukraine/Russia is over, the heros will become men again.Going to war doesn’t automatically make you a hero. That’s propaganda to sugarcoat military service: they want you to believe that risking your life or dying for the state automatically grants you glory. If there's a draft, even worse. That's a distraction from the fact that you have no choice. It's psychologic manipulation meant to dissimulate the coercion. You can go to war enthusiastically, believing you're a soon-to-be hero, or you can go kicking and screaming. Either way, the state's gun is… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/11/25 04:20 PM |
| 2 | Wondering what this sub thinks of socialist/anarchist/marxist feminists such as Emma Goldman, Lucy Parsons, Angela Davis and Rosa Luxembourg?I see. Feminism isn't a coherent movement and there are many streams. However, when I mention "feminism", without specifying any sub-stream, I'm implicitly referring to the most common or widespread type of feminism. The type you find on the NYT, in public political declaration or on mainstream social media account. That seems to align with what you refer to as "liberal feminism". I'm aware there are more ways to be feminist that that. But unfortunately those ways never come up to me, a random n… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/25 11:42 AM |
| 7 | Wondering what this sub thinks of socialist/anarchist/marxist feminists such as Emma Goldman, Lucy Parsons, Angela Davis and Rosa Luxembourg?Can you expand on that? Not being polemical, I'm really curious. The "women in power=good" type of feminism is the only one I see in my daily life. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/25 11:29 PM |
| 1 | Men More Likely to Die by SuicideDid you tap on "Comment" before finishing the sentence? Which book are you recommending? | /r/MensRights | 10/11/25 11:23 PM |
| 44 | Wondering what this sub thinks of socialist/anarchist/marxist feminists such as Emma Goldman, Lucy Parsons, Angela Davis and Rosa Luxembourg?Well said. Rosa Luxemburg was egalitarian (pro universal suffrage), but was critical feminism. She saw it as a means for bourgeois women to gain ruling-class power to exploit the proletariat. Considering how much emphasis today is placed on having more female CEOs and presidents, I'd say she was spot on. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/25 02:50 PM |
| 10 | "Patriarchy" is a colloquially misandrist word - most often used in bad faithMaybe my experience is odd, but outside of online discussions, in my everyday life the word patriarchy is almost always used as a joke, by both men and women. It’s usually a kind of jab, a pretentious term that sounds funny when applied to trivial situations. For example, if both front seats in the car are taken by men, we might say, “Looks like patriarchy won again.” And yet, despite the joking tone, the word is also taken seriously on some subconscious level. It’s strange. It feels a bit like … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/25 07:55 AM |
| 6 | The UK government is considering mandatory chemical castration for sex offenders – it’s an ethical and legal minefieldMy objection to this is the same I have to death penalty: no justice system is perfect and there'll always be a percentage of false positives. Meaning there's a non 0 chance that you, who are just living your life, are mistaken for a criminal and punished. Might seem unlikely, but it happens all the time. If you incarcerate someone and then realize he's innocent, you can free him. If you cause irreversible damage to his body and then realize he was innocent, there's no coming back. That's not ac… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/11/25 10:45 AM |
| 8 | Why does nobody seem to talk about the double standards of male vs female clothing?I used to work in a corporate office. In the summer, the women were in summer attires (short skirts, sleeveless, open toe shoes). While the men were by mandatory company policy, in full suit. And I still remember the female colleagues protesting because the temperature in the office was too low. Their complaint was, believe it or not, that the a/c was set on male standards, which was sexist. The craziness of this still bugs me years later. If I went in the office in shorts I'd be fired. Meanwhil… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/11/25 06:17 PM |
| 4 | Men More Likely to Die by SuicideThat's my point. To a logic person, that's the obvious conclusion. But to a feminist, there's always some stupid excuse they throw in, to keep intact the illusion of patriarchy. For example they'll say that men kill themselves more often because they are more selfish, and don't care if someone gets traumatized by finding their corpse (this is an actual thing I heard with my ears said by a feminist association) | /r/MensRights | 02/11/25 03:11 PM |
| 16 | Men More Likely to Die by SuicideI think this is the most uncomfortable piece of data to feminists, and doesn't get stressed enough. If we live in a patriarchal society, built by men for their own benefit, and if women are more oppressed by patriarchy then men, why do 4x more men then women find living so unbearable that they decide to end their lives? If the feminist worldview is true, than this is a very odd outcome. You would expect many more women to find life unbearable, since they live under their oppressors. Of course th… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/25 06:01 AM |
| 95 | Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine has *disproportionately* affected womenBut even if that was true, that wouldn't justify the focus on women. Are women the only survivors in a war? How about boys, elderly men, disabled men, or simply male veterans who lost lots of brothers...their pain is as important as the pain of women who lost husbands, sons, etc. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/25 10:50 AM |
| 3 | Lived Experience"Now you know how it felt for women". Yeah, it sucked for women...isn't that the reason why we have decided to fix it in the first place? Isn't the point to create a system that doesn't suck? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/25 10:50 PM |
| 17 | What is the stance of this subreddit?1.) male feminists with a nuanced view who still advocate for men despite being feminists If you think about it, the way this question is phrased implies the reason why this sub exists. Especially the word “despite.” On paper, being a feminist means being in favor of gender equality. That means defending women's interests when they are neglected and defending men's interests when they are neglected. In reality, everyone can see that being a feminist simply means being in favor of women. Always, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/25 05:34 PM |
| 3 | A man needs to emotionally support his female partner; but reciprocation is mankeeping, which is oppressive and misogynistic.Intuitively, I'd say this happens because, if the couple breaks up, the woman can get her emotional support from her social safety net, while the man is usually on his own. Therefore she can afford to be more demanding than him | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/25 12:33 PM |
| 2 | How do we feel about fund raising for womens specific charities, while mens are ignored?Just like with any other campaign specifically targeting a demographic because of statistical prevalence. It's the best and most powerful way to create injustice by dismissing someone who is in need. It's also sneaky, because if you don't think about it too much, it looks like a good thing. Poverty mainly affects immigrants? Let's create economic help for immigrants only (and ignore the non-immigrant citizens who are poor). Domestic violence mainly affects women? Let's make it a women only issue… | /r/MensRights | 12/10/25 06:59 AM |
| 1 | Cultural Analysis: Feminist Retellings Of MythologyThank you. I agree with you. The key word is identitarian. Many people here seem convinced that in order to combat female identity politics, it is necessary to be identity-conscious on the male side. Why is universalism so out of fashion? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/25 10:39 AM |
| 1 | A structured map of arguments – "Should the retirement age for women be lower than for men?"I'm not totally with you on this. Yes, most of the money comes from men. But that's not unfair per se. Every worker pays their fair share. The unbalance is just in the aggregate, and it's due to the statistical prevalence of men in the workforce. I don't see anything unfair in this. Injustice arises when the official retirement age is set in such a way that it unreasonably favors one of the two sexes. Currently, it is women. But it would be just as unfair if men were to be favored. It does not m… | /r/MensRights | 03/10/25 10:31 AM |
| 3 | Cultural Analysis: Feminist Retellings Of MythologyOdysseus knows the only way to get his men back is by sleeping with Circe Hermes never says, “Sleep with her or your men are lost.” Nowhere in the text is it implied that Odysseus is reluctant to have sex with Circe. Nowhere in the text is it stated that having sex with Circe is instrumental to freeing the crew. If you think this is ever stated or implied in the Odyssey, please quote. Many people reading the stories now come to the same conclusion so it's not just me. This doesn't mean it's a co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/25 09:13 AM |
| 53 | A structured map of arguments – "Should the retirement age for women be lower than for men?"Both options ('women retire earlier' vs 'equal retirement age') are unfair towards men. Women live on average 4-6 years longer then men. If the age of retirement is the same, and it's roughly based on average life expectancy, that's unfair towards men. They'll get to live fewer years after retirement. The fair arrangement would be for men to retire earlier than women. The fact that this obviousness will probably be interpreted as a provocation speaks volumes. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/25 12:38 PM |
| 3 | “Men seem to make life for women worse”Scores of women said that nobody available they had encountered met what they considered “basic requirements”. The "basic requirements": - "be emotionally intelligent and kind" (translation: read my mind, always understand how I feel, never upset me) - "be in good mental and physical health" (be attractive, always in good mood and don't burden me with your issues, while I flood you with mine) - "share my values and political views" (agree with me, cause I'm always right) - "be ambitious, hardwor… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/25 09:33 AM |
| 16 | Cultural Analysis: Feminist Retellings Of MythologyI didn't read Miller's book, but I did read the Odyssey. You're both butchering the ancient story. Here's how the original goes: Circe turns Ulysses' comrades into pigs. She tries to do the same with him, but he's immune thanks to the antidote provided by Hermes. At this point, Circe invites Ulysses to lie in bed. She swears by the gods that she will not trick him. To us, this might appear as irrelevant. But to Ulysses, and to all ancient greeks, this is a sacred oath. Once she swears, Ulysses i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/10/25 07:05 AM |
| 3 | How partisanship is ruining my mental healthYes. There's a diffuse "WITH US OR AGAINST US" mentality in the world right now. Both political sides want to destroy their enemy as their top priority. Therefore, they welcome on board all sort of extremist nuts. Because extremists make the other side angry. This way they generate engagement on social media, awareness and clicks. Who cares if they alienate thoughtful people in the process? Thought doesn't matter. Crazy people with idiotically confident ideas are prized with credit and notoriety… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/09/25 04:04 PM |
| 3 | College Professor spent 10 minutes praising women and bashing on men while all the guys in the class stayed silentThe annoying part is men could never handle. Why can't we praise women without bashing men in the process? Women are great. They deal brilliantly with a lot of hard stuff. Their contribution to our society is invaluable. See? That's easy! | /r/MensRights | 08/09/25 03:43 PM |
| 1 | The confusion between "patriarchy" and "sexism". Better language for better discussion.I mean what I say. I'm 'ready' to believe it. That doesn't mean I believe it. It means I keep and open mind. If someone came to me with data that irrefutably proved that, I would believe it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/08/25 07:36 AM |
| 2 | The confusion between "patriarchy" and "sexism". Better language for better discussion.I don't | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/25 10:31 PM |
| 5 | The confusion between "patriarchy" and "sexism". Better language for better discussion."I am not aware of any institutions (in western democracies) that favour men." Actually, you are right. The reality is that, in the last years, the western world has worked to dismantle any possible form of institutional female disadvantage. Anti-women social norms might persist, but they are the results of individual or even group biases. They aren't encoded in laws or policies. "You may be influenced by the mainstream narrative that ignores male suffering." I said "I'm ready to believe", not "… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/25 03:45 PM |
| 4 | Men Are the Expendable Gender — TV TropesThanks for bringing in more context. I didn't watch any John Wick's sequel, so I wasn't aware. Generalizing, I see the broad pattern of: disposable faceless character who dies randomly and possibly entertainingly -> male. This goes for all sorts of action/adventure/fantasy movies. But maybe that's loosening a bit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/08/25 03:00 PM |
| 69 | Men Are the Expendable Gender — TV TropesI always say: if we’re serious about equal representation of women in film, there’s still one role that remains completely untouched, still 100% male-dominated. The goon. You know the type: those nameless, dumb henchmen guarding the villain’s lair. The ones who get mowed down by the hero in ridiculous ways, without a second thought. To date, I don't think I've ever seen a female one. I wonder why. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/25 03:02 PM |
| 3 | The main problem with the lopsided nature of internet gender discourseFirst of all, thank you for the good read. It's refreshing to see some contribution in which actual time and care have been poured. I broadly agree with your argument, but I want to highlight one sentence which, I think, opens up a deeper can of worms: And yes, it would be best if we could all just be bigger and not let it bother us I disagree wholeheartedly. In fact, I consider this attitude partially at the root of the problem. Why would it be better if we (men) didn't let it (being subjected … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/25 03:06 PM |
| 3 | Does the Titanic Movie actually promote male disposability?Well...that's not exactly a flattering comparison. Today's movies feel like the most puritan-driven productions of 90 years ago. Also, to be precise, there's a serious difference. Past censorship prohibited the depiction of acts. No sex and violence on screen. Today's climate limits the depiction of mentalities. You cannot show older worldviews without footnoting about how such worldviews are bad. To me, that's even more fucked up. At least, with Hay's code, directors could be creative in implyi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/25 02:01 AM |
| 2 | Does the Titanic Movie actually promote male disposability?You are right! It works within the narrative of the movie for several reasons. Another one is that Jack's death is functional in representing the forgotten part of history. The scientists studying the Titanic know everything about the survivors, especially rich ones like Rose and Cal. But they know nothing about Jack, because he lived and died in poverty, without leaving any record. Through Rose's testimony, he resurfaces from the fog of history. If he had lived, he would be just another survivo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/06/25 01:29 AM |
| 9 | Does the Titanic Movie actually promote male disposability?What do you mean "it dabbles in sexism"? It's an historical movie set in a time where gender roles where very codified and strict. It shows that world as it was. Would a character showing a modern sensibility and protesting about sexism make it a batter movie? I'd argue it would make it much worse, less realistic. The only thing that would improve would be the self validation of the audience members who share said anti-sexist sensibility. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/25 12:49 PM |
| 10 | Does the Titanic Movie actually promote male disposability?The sacrifice for a lover is a melodramatic and chivalric trope. Lovers dying for each other is a narrative device that's been around since forever. Titanic adopted it uncritically because James Cameron loves to beat dead horses when it comes to plot. Cal is a villain because he's a piece of shit since the very beginning of the movie. In that scene he's not "just trying to save his life". He exploits a lost child, and then ditch him immediately afterwards. He's cartoonishly evil. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/25 07:54 AM |
| 53 | Does the Titanic Movie actually promote male disposability?The movie neither endorse, nor criticize the "women and children first" policy. Which is, in my opinion, a very good thing. I might be old, but movies didn't use to be as finger-wavy and moralizing as they are now. This is the way they did it at the time the Titanic sunk. The movie shows it without trying to teach you how you should feel about it. It shoves romanticism down your throat, but all the drama is about the characters. It's a movie, not a lesson about sexism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/25 06:53 AM |
| 1 | "Men are in crisis and the last ones we seem to ever think about. I hate the phrase “women and children first” as it translates to men don’t have the same value. “Let them die” and that is so ingrained in our society."I feel like we need to specify what do we mean by catastrophic event. If we're in a Titanic like situation (something disastrous is about to happen, there's short time and too few lifeboats), I stand by my initial claim. Children should be ethically prioritized due to life-years ahead and full dependency. Young children should be accompanied by their primary caregiver, because they can't take care of themselves and would die if left alone. For the rest of adults, a randomized principle should be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/25 08:22 AM |
| 1 | "Men are in crisis and the last ones we seem to ever think about. I hate the phrase “women and children first” as it translates to men don’t have the same value. “Let them die” and that is so ingrained in our society.""preferential treatment in life-death situations for any group cannot be moral" Why do you think that? To me it sounds perfectly moral to help first those who cannot help themselves (children and physically impaired people). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/25 02:02 AM |
| 1 | I am 22, this subreddit is so refreshing tbhYep. For all the shit it took (most of it deserved), it popularized the idea that men have problems too and shouldn't be all painted as monsters. The fact that this is an improvement over previous discourse is depressing, but appreciable at the same time. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/25 05:53 AM |
| 18 | "Men are in crisis and the last ones we seem to ever think about. I hate the phrase “women and children first” as it translates to men don’t have the same value. “Let them die” and that is so ingrained in our society."The "women and children first" principle has nothing to do with fairness. It's a protocol that arised from a chivalric and paternalistic society. It should be replaced by "children and and their caregivers first". This is, logically and morally, a superior formulation. It emphasizes vulnerability as the characteristic that grants priority. Basically, in an emergency, only children, their caregivers (men or women), and the sick should be helped first. "Women" as a group should absolutely not be c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/25 05:43 AM |
| 27 | Do men and women express emotions differently? If so, why is the female way of expressing emotions seen as the default?Most women that say they want men to be emotional, don't really mean emotional. They mean sensitive, kind, protective, respectful. All attributes vaguely associated with positive emotions. But that still fit very well within the boundaries of traditional masculinity. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/25 12:27 PM |
| 15 | Men don’t know how to talk about their feelings.It's not that I don't know how to talk about my feelings. It's that I really don't know my feelings. I'm almost never in a state of mind where I can clearly say "I'm sad" or "I'm happy". Unless somthing very big happens, like the death of a relative, most of the time I feel just gray. Background noise. I'm not particularly happy, not particularly sad, not particularly anything. Of course, that's just disconnection from myself. In reality there ARE emotions down there. It's just that I excluded t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/06/25 09:48 AM |
| 1 | Male perpetrators of sexual violence are under-reported in comparison to female perpetrators of sexual violence. Thoughts?Thank you for sharing your experience. Those papers we were discussing here are basically opinion pieces dressed up in scientific language. The people who wrote them have obviously biases and maybe traumas of their own. I don't think they reflect any kind of truth. You shouldn't be too upset about them. Just to give you my unsolicited opinion about your situation. Being senselessly attacked by a loved one, don't retaliate and still defend them, out of empathy and understanding of their struggles… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/06/25 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Am I the only one who just doesn’t like the concept of “masculinity”?There is an evolutionary advantage to so being. Yes and no. There’s evolutionary advantage in conforming to behavioral patterns when the environment is stable and predictable. But it never stays that way. Without individual variability, you risk overfitting: adapting too narrowly to current conditions and failing when those conditions change. In this sense, both group conformity and individual variability are evolutionary advantages. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/05/25 01:08 PM |
| 8 | Let's be clear about Jordan Peterson ...I remember Žižek’s response in his debate with Peterson: “But what if my room is in disorder precisely because the world itself is a mess?”. His point is that our political and socioeconomic conditions themselves cause us to be in poor physical and mental health. In that view, political action should take priority over stupid self-care, which is just a makeshift fix. But I disagree because that’s too coarse an argument. “Clean your room” doesn’t mean "Don't be concerned with anything in the worl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/04/25 04:03 PM |
| 84 | Let's be clear about Jordan Peterson ...I like his advice of cleaning your room before you go out and clean the world. It's a very helpful tool to me on a psychological level. Progressive people tend to be concerned with big scale social problems, and to dismiss individual goods habits. Conservatives do the opposite mistake. As a progressive, it's nice to hear that keeping your body and mind in order is also important. I naturally tend to forget that. I don't buy any of his other stuff. It's jungian ornamentation over old-fashioned fi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/25 05:57 AM |
| 1 | Can Richard Reeves make a change?Of course we should organize and pursue collective goals. I'm for competition between workers and employers, not between workers and workers. But: Collective action is only possible if individuals recognize their own self-interest. Otherwise, they won’t even realize they’re being exploited. Negotiation is a vital life skill. Everyone should learn it. If you can’t negotiate, you’re vulnerable, not just to underpayment, but to all kinds of grifters. Sadly, many people, especially women, aren’t eve… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/25 05:18 AM |
| 1 | Can Richard Reeves make a change?Let's examine the argument. Claim 1: HEAL jobs pay less than others (like STEM) for the same level of commitment. Claim 2: Because of this, men choose not to pursue HEAL careers. The obvious follow-up question is: if these jobs are objectively less rewarding, why do women choose them? Why do they prioritize lower-paying fields? And once in, why don’t they negotiate for better compensation? These are the questions that actually lead to meaningful female empowerment. We should be encouraging women… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/25 08:54 AM |
| 15 | Right-Wing Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni made Men second class citizens by Law in Italy (Femicide Law)There's some confusion. This draft law introduces "femicide" as an autonomous criminal offence, defining it as the killing of a woman due to discrimination, gender hatred or to suppress her rights and freedoms. Then it also increases the penalties for already existing crimes, such as abuse, stalking and sexual violence, with the specific intent of protecting female victims. It does not "punish domestic abusers who turn to murder" (that's already punished in the current law...obviously). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/25 07:17 AM |
| 41 | Right-Wing Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni made Men second class citizens by Law in Italy (Femicide Law)Italian here. This is a political stunt for women's day. It is not an effective law. It must be discussed by the Parliament and, most importantly, it must be approved by the Corte Costituzionale, which will evaluate if it's constitutional. In my opinion it will never in a billion years be made effective. It's in obvious contrast with the 3rd article of our constitution (which says: "all citizens are equal in front of the law, without distinction of sex"). This law would make it worse to kill a w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/25 06:56 AM |
| 12 | What are your honest thoughts on "Patriarchy"?Patriarchy is real in the sense that the biological characteristics of males (strength, aggressiveness, risk-taking propensity), in a world with limited resources and constant competition among societies, have led us - both men and women - to develop a bias in favor of male leadership. This bias is no longer useful, because physical dominance is no longer a decisive factor in governance and economic success. I'm in favor of recognizing and fighting this bias. Patriarchy is not real, in the sense… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/02/25 01:53 PM |
| 15 | Male perpetrators of sexual violence are under-reported in comparison to female perpetrators of sexual violence. Thoughts?I also love that they feel the need to say that “every study on the topic” corroborates their view of male dominance and control ...and then immediately afterwards they go “there are no social norms that influence violent women” without further elaboration. Apparently, this claim is self-evident and needs no study to back it up. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/12/24 08:20 AM |
| 40 | Male perpetrators of sexual violence are under-reported in comparison to female perpetrators of sexual violence. Thoughts?100% agreed. Women are usually weaker than men physically. Men are typically weaker than women from another point of view: as a man, I basically cannot be taken seriously if I say I've been beaten/raped by a woman. That's a weakness that violent women can and do exploit. Just like violent men exploit their relative physical advantage. It's just two facets of gender-based violence. The issue is that one of them is so structural that it's invisible to most. By the way, for those who say violence b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 07:11 PM |
| 105 | Male perpetrators of sexual violence are under-reported in comparison to female perpetrators of sexual violence. Thoughts?Exact quote from the first of the two articles you posted: "males and females perpetrate violence and abuse for different reasons that are influenced by gender. The majority of male perpetrated violence, particularly against females, is gender-based; regardless of the gender of the victim, male perpetrated sexual violence has been linked to gender norms that promote male dominance and control, as demonstrated by a recently published multi-country study on rape perpetration. We have seen this as … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 06:16 PM |
| 1 | Emotional mutilationWhy do you say "women cohercing men"? To me it's obviously both men and women who push for these behaviors. Dads scolding their sons for crying, male friends mocking each other for displaying "gay" behavior, etc. It's also women, but definitely not just women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/24 06:19 AM |
| 1 | Emotional mutilationThen I'm trash too. And you're also. Because I can assure you there is some issue we're ignorant about, despite having the whole world's knowledge at our fingertips. If your purpose is to convince more people that men's issues are important, calling them "trash" won't do the work. If your purpose is not to convince anyone, and you just want to be right, then I'm not sure you care about these issues as much as you think you do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 06:27 PM |
| 2 | Emotional mutilationIt's clear to me that she cares primarily about women. I guess my cynicism prevents me from being enraged by that. I've come to accept that everyone fights for their own. I still believe that her attitude is an improvement over most of the mainstream feminism. At least she recognizes that men are not all-powerful agents, and that they also are victims of a system. It's a step forward, even if she's insincere. And, btw, why would I care if she's sincere or not? If something is true it's true, eve… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 03:18 PM |
| 4 | Emotional mutilationThank you for your response :) I'm happy that you found some outlet. On my part, I feel like the road ahead is still long. Even in a safe and familiar context, when I want to express something negative, I still reflexively resort to anger 99% of the time | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 02:28 PM |
| 4 | Emotional mutilationThank you for your comment :) Honestly I regret mentioning that book, it hijacked the conversation away from the topic I was interested in | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 02:12 PM |
| 0 | Emotional mutilationBell Hooks and "Will to Change" are trash Most people in the world do not realize or fully understand the unique struggles of boys and men. Are they all trash? her works are part of the problem of emotional repression In what sense? She is a feminist, so she moves in a feminist context. Knowing that, of course I don't expect her to hold LWMA views. I don't like her framework. But at least she has the merit of raising the issue of emotional repression of boys (which is usually completely ignored … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Emotional mutilationI am not familiar with her at all, so I am totally clueless. However, I must say that I am very much against the habit of dismissing a person with “she is racist/sexist.” I would expect that from a feminist sub, not this one. I'm sure she expressed questionable thoughts. Even the book I read contained some passages that I consider questionable. I plan to write a post devoted to what in my opinion she gets wrong. But I don't think it is reasonable to make these kinds of blank statements. It seems… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 01:52 PM |
| 8 | National Review: The Democrats Have a Woman ProblemBut principles are also important, aren't they? Registering for the Draft means I'm forced into a binding promise that, if a war gets bad enough, I will put my life at the Nation's disposal. It's not some "trivial" duty, like paying taxes and don't litter. It's an extreme commitment. It's inconsequential now but there's no guarantee will have no consequences in the future. It's like a sword of Damocles dangling on the head of 1/2 of the population. Having such a sword on the head might not have … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/24 10:42 AM |
| 2 | Rosa Luxemburg vs “bourgeois women”, or how anti-capitalism is conspicuously (and predictably) absent from all the most visible claims for equalityVery well put. Ultimately this points to a perhaps cynical but honest truth: everyone struggles for their own self-interest. No one wants to make their living conditions worse since, at the end of the day, we are all capable of constructing a narrative within which we either deserve what we have, or there is someone even more privileged than us, and it is them, not us, we need to focus on. But this struggle between self-interested agents would be totally normal in a healthy parliamentary democra… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/24 11:54 AM |
| 8 | Rosa Luxemburg vs “bourgeois women”, or how anti-capitalism is conspicuously (and predictably) absent from all the most visible claims for equalitySpeech: May 12, 1912 (at the Second Social Democratic Women’s Rally, Stuttgart, Germany). Source: Selected Political Writings, Rosa Luxemburg. Edited and introduced by Dick Howard. Monthly Review Press © 1971. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/11/24 08:09 AM |
| 9 | I hate the double standards between male and female deaths in movies and TV showsYou know that kind of character that guards the main entrance to the bad guys' house? The ones that James Bond kills by snapping their necks or something similar? Those dumb and easily killed henchmen. Have you ever seen a female one? There is a big push for more female representation in movies. Yet, those goons roles continue to be only male... Could it have to do with their disposability and the low value the films place on their lives? | /r/MensRights | 20/11/24 03:46 PM |
| 2 | Men's issues in society being self-inflictedLet's forget for a moment the falsity of the statement. Let's pretend men do actually self-inflict everything they experience. Why would you not empathize with them in such scenario? If you meet someone who hurts himself, wouldn't you want to help him? If he self-inflicts some wounds, he's clearly experiencing some pain and deep issue. Why would he be unworthy of empathy? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/11/24 03:45 PM |
| 5 | the abolishment of men's gender roles.I want to approach this question from another perspective: is it possible to live without roles? Let me be clear, I am not a fan of traditional gender roles. They are harmful. My question is: once gender roles have been nuked--what is left in their place? I give a concrete example: if you are a young person living in the developed world, it is likely that most of your female peers consider themselves free from traditional gender roles, or at least from internalizing them. They are not passive an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 04:55 PM |
| 2 | Trump winning the election is very bad for men and men need to be concerned about trump winning.This is not just bad news. It is a monumental disaster for all that this subreddit represents. Most of the world sees it as a “victory” for white-cis-hetero males. From an intersectional perspective, which is by far the mainstream viewpoint in social issues, that is exactly what it looks like. Therefore, there is not even the slightest hope that male advocacy issues such as the ones raised in this sub will become mainstream in the near future. The letfwings will become even more closed in their … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/24 12:02 PM |
| 4 | The Hyper Male Gender Role and How Society Primes Men to be Exploited By It.do men have the CHOICE to not adhere to the necessary role they've had in society for millennia? Can men opt out? En masse? Yes, if the country in which this happens is willing to accept a collapse in GDP, an infrastructure crisis, and a severe blow to national defense. It would probably be good for men's psychological well-being and also ethical in the sense that it would be consistent with our current liberal ideas about the need to overcome gender determinism. But it would probably worsen the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/10/24 03:36 PM |
| 11 | Obama's comment towards black men - is it misogyny or is it really misandry (assuming Harris is getting fewer votes because male voters are sexist)Sorry to sidetrack, but the common “everything has been about men for thousands of years” argument is so bad. Today's men have not benefited from historical sexism. Today's women have not suffered from historical sexism. That's what historical means. Other people, in other times, have. Can we for once abandon tribalism, this petty, childish, resentment-fueled, “now it's the girls' time” rethoric and care for everyone? That would unify and fortify the left, at least on the "gender war" front. Oth… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/24 04:18 PM |
| 1 | What are some ways that women suffer that you can acknowledge or understand?Luckily, most of the people I interact with on a daily basis don't give a damn about ideological principles and only care about the issues. So we end up agreeing most of the time. The problem is that the kind of people who are inclined to give importance to feminist theories are obviously motivated to be very active and influential in organizations that deal with women's issues. Therefore, whenever there is an institution devoted to women's issues, there is always some ideological crap that leak… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/24 05:23 PM |
| 3 | What are some ways that women suffer that you can acknowledge or understand?I hate that this question is necessary. If you care about men's issues (from a leftist perspective) you must also care about women's issues. This is what equality means. In particular, I care about sexual violence and harassment. I die a little inside every time a friend admits to carrying pepper spray with her. Domestic violence is also an important issue. The only difference between me and a feminist is principles: I reject the assumption that patriarchy, or the male-centric culture, or men at… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/24 04:49 PM |
| 1 | I’ve forgotten how to cryI cried a lot as a kid. Never cried after the age of 15. Nowadays I only cry in my sleep, when making a particularly vivid dream. I think it's the physiological way my brain found to correct an unnatural suppression. A bit like night-time ejaculation for someone who never jerks off or has sex. This can't be healthy. | /r/MensRights | 05/09/24 10:09 AM |
| 8 | The phase "feminism is for men too" can't coexist with the oppressed vs oppressor dichotomy. Because it's a major contradiction.most remaining institutional sexism is against men, such as legal male circumcision and mandatory drafting. Agree with 100% of your comment, and this phrase in particular should be sculpted in stone. Issues primarily affecting women continue to be pushed by social habits. But backed-by-law duties involving only one sex, are only acceptable when they are applied to men. Think of military service. It's literally forcing men to adhere to their traditional role. It's the male version of the Handmaid… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/09/24 09:55 AM |
| 1 | DAE feel like they’re always on the back burner?This is the kind of posts I like. Sharing experiences and empathizing with each other feels much more satisfying than endlessly complaining about society at large | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/24 09:36 AM |
| 4 | So, I happened to come across a forum concerning Tobey McGuire (49) hanging out with an influencer 29 years his junior. The comments summarily bashed McGuire, so I wanted to ask you all what you think of significant age gaps between consenting adults, but from a male perspective?Ops...misread. Anyway she's an adult and can make her own decisions | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 01:18 PM |
| 12 | So, I happened to come across a forum concerning Tobey McGuire (49) hanging out with an influencer 29 years his junior. The comments summarily bashed McGuire, so I wanted to ask you all what you think of significant age gaps between consenting adults, but from a male perspective?Let's fight for women's rights...by questioning the decisions of a 29 yo woman about her own life... Lol | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 09:26 AM |
| 11 | Picassos hung in toilet cubicle at Mona in response to adverse discrimination ruling.I find it so appalling that some women decide to protest gender injustices by calling out men. You know...men in general. Just the 50% of the world population. It should be obvious that, by broadening so much the scope of your attack, most of the targets you're going to hit are perfectly innocent and good faithed men. It would be so easy to just call out the people actually committing crimes on women. Like, make an art installation against sexual offenders, or wife beaters. Don't make it against… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/24 03:52 PM |
| 40 | "Misandry goes away when you get off the Internet, but not misogyny"They meant to say that, if you turn off the internet, you will hear no one complain about misandry. While you will continue to hear women complain about misogyny. That's because complaining about one's own disadvantage, especially in relation to our gender, is something we allow women to do, but not men. If a man does so, he's labeled as an incel, not a real man, and so on. This is deeply discouraging. Only in the semi-anonimity of the internet men feel free to actually complain, because they ca… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/24 07:23 AM |
| 19 | Small or big acts of male advocacy that you do ?I donated to associations focused on support of male victims of DV (they are rare and don't advertise themselves too much for fear of being caught in a shitstorm, but they exist). Aside from that, unless you have a platform, the only real thing you can do is to talk about it to the people around you. Being able to do so in a way that doesn't ruffle their feathers is an art form. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/24 08:07 AM |
| 2 | Why do many people like to downplay what men do for their loved ones?Because reddit likes to pile on. I upvoted if that matters | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 08:46 PM |
| 19 | Why do many people like to downplay what men do for their loved ones?Although this is good advice in general, people on Instagram are not part of a different species. They are the same people who live offline. These opinions about dads being deadbeats and moms being perfect are even more common in real life | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/24 08:55 AM |
| 1 | It's kind of hypocritical how some progressives, liberals, feminists, etc say homophobia is the result of toxic masculinity when they still perpetuate a society that expects men to be homophobic though.I was thinking more about cannabis and psychedelics. Most people who want to legalize them are absolutely in favor of consumption. But, aside from that: I didn't want to make such a strong parallel. Obviously there are many differences. It was just an example to say that, sometimes, people have political beliefs which are opposite to their own personal preferences. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/24 09:40 AM |
| 3 | Toxic masculinity and violenceI cannot tell you how much I agree on both points. What boggles my mind is that this used to be the viewpoint of the left: the material context of human action is far more important than the individual initiative of any single person. It is the structures in which we live, rather than our free will, that guide our behavior. This is a sound point of view, which I subscribe to. But today, in the context of gender discourse, as you say this logic is applied only to women and not to men. This is the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/06/24 01:05 PM |
| 10 | It's kind of hypocritical how some progressives, liberals, feminists, etc say homophobia is the result of toxic masculinity when they still perpetuate a society that expects men to be homophobic though.Fact is that people can have political beliefs which are in complete contrast with their own personal preferences. I can be politically in favor of drugs legalization, despite not being a consumer myself. In the same way, some (many?) women can be in favor of reforming masculinity, despite being attracted to traditionally masculine people themselves. In principle, they are in favor of men being more open with their emotions, more sensitive and overall less traditionally masculine. But, as a matt… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/06/24 07:52 AM |
| 21 | Toxic masculinity and violenceI wish we could have a more material basis for our understanding of 'toxic masculinity', rather than something arbitrary imposed by fiat by 'the patriarchy'. You're expressing a concern which, I feel, is pivotal if we want the discussion around gender to evolve. The current reading of 'toxic masculinity', informed by feminist literature, is basically moral. Current discourse is much more interested in condemning such traits than to understand them in a rigorous, historic and scientific way. If w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 10:27 AM |
| 30 | Many of perpetrators of violence against men perpetrate it partly because of victim's gender and it should be considered to be gender-based violence.A violent person who beats someone always does so by exploiting the relative weakness of the victim. Women are typically physically weaker than men. Men are typically weaker than women in another way: if they experience violence from a woman, they basically cannot tell what happened and be taken seriously. This is a weakness that violent women can and do exploit. Women who commit violence against men exploiting this weakness are clearly committing gender-based violence (they couldn't do so and g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/24 10:09 AM |
| 10 | Often overlooked is that for most of recorded history the vast majority of men did not have the right to vote eitherPlaying the devil advocate here: This is breaking news only for very ignorant people. Of course no one had the right to vote for most history. Modern democracy is a recent invention. But, feminists claim, even before democracy men held more power than women: they decided how to run the family business, they were the only ones allowed to own property, etc. This is objectionable too, as it's not so black and white. But it's not only about the right to vote. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/24 04:03 PM |
| 5 | Single women are happier... Whats your perspective on this?Marriage is enslavement for women. OMG that's so true. That's why guys are so obsessed with marriage. If you notice, in hetero couples, it's always the man who pushes for marriage. The wedding industry itself is so male-centric and male-driven. It's all a scheme to drag those poor women to the altar and lock them in slavery. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/24 03:49 PM |
| 30 | Lawmakers move to automate Selective Service registration for all menYay! Automated gender discrimination! | /r/MensRights | 10/06/24 02:36 PM |
| 7 | ‘It’s hard to have compassion’: can interventions change violent men’s behaviour?It would be nice to have some compassion for violent men. Just the honesty to admit that they too are victims (having often received violence as boys). But, in fact, you don't need to feel any compassion. Not even basic empathy. And still, you should want to help these men. Because that's the only way to stop the violence cycle. Treating them as irredeemable monsters just hides the problem under the rug. It's a way to make sure they remain violent, untreated and dangerous. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/24 02:32 PM |
| 3 | Do you think there’s any hope?Not a Peterson fan, but the advice to “clean your room” is remarkably useful in its simplicity. People on the left generally tend to get hyper-focused on large-scale social problems and to downplay the effectiveness of individual good habits. Anecdotally, I know more people who self describe as leftwing who smoke and drink excessively than people on the right. Eating healthy, sleeping well, regular exercise, limiting screen time, etc. correlates with better mental health. That's just a fact. It'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/24 01:57 PM |
| 1 | Toxic masculinity is linked to male loneliness, which is linked to the disappearance of "third places"Good for you! But your experience is not necessarily representative of the majority. Most men, especially when they get older, with advanced careers, wife and kids, don't get to spend any time at all with friends | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/24 05:43 AM |
| 3 | Interesting how some people here seem to use 'feminism' in the same way feminists use the term 'patriarchy'.These people think the gender of who's in power matters a lot, as long as they're men. But then, whenever a woman gets elected (especially if she's conservative), all of a sudden it doesn't matter anymore. You hear comments like "it's not really a victory for women, because she still acts like a man", "she's still operating under a patriarchical sovrastructure" or shit like that. There's no coherence, no systematized thought. It's all an excuse for covering up their misandry with a thin veil of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/24 05:32 AM |
| 4 | "Men's forcefully drafting was done by men so we (women) aren't at fault"No need to refute anything. Agree with them and then take their logic to its consequences. - Yes. The Draft was set up by men in power. It's one of the many misdeeds of the Patriarchy. Now that we agree on that...let's fight it. After all, as feminists, it's your mission to fight against the Patriarchy's wrongdoings, right? - If they refuse to protest it anyway, then they are admitting they only care for stuff that affects women and, therefore, that feminists is indeed not for equality. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/24 07:33 AM |
| 3 | AS LWMA's, how do we respond to posts like this one?I have little to object to this post for a simple reason: if you respond with "whataboutmen-ism", then you're acting exactly like a radical feminist would in response of a male advocate post. Working for equality means working for equality. I want women's issues to be solved as much as men's. I would prefer both sets of issues to be given the same space. And I'm really angry that women's issues are always at the forefront, while men's issues are always a blurry after-thought or completely ignore… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/24 12:40 PM |
| 1 | Men are dying on the battlefield but here's why that's a good thing!I disagree that since Western countries have not used conscription for a long time, then there is no point in having this conversation. On the contrary, peacetime is the only right time to talk about the most equitable arrangement of rights and obligations. Because, if a war ever breaks out on a scale that requires compulsory conscription, these debates would rightly be considered of secondary importance, given the looming emergency. I understand why it may sound like a "strange foot to put down… | /r/MensRights | 22/05/24 01:07 PM |
| 25 | Men are dying on the battlefield but here's why that's a good thing!"their role is to have babies" Ok, then pass a law forcing women to get impregnated and have babies after the war is over. I find it disgusting. But if that's their duty, then it should be mandatory. Just like it is mandatory for men. Otherwise you have an unacceptable discrepancy between rights and duties. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/24 03:48 PM |
| 8 | 90 feminist groups and 130 women's shelters sign open letter demanding censorship of violence against men awareness campaign (Italy)Italian here. The worst thing about this is that the current anti-dv hotline 1522 is dedicated exclusively to women. There are many reports of men calling it and being told by the operators that there's nothing they can do for them, because the service is for women only. Meanwhile 1523, although mainly aimed at men, would be a gender neutral hotline. Everyone needing help could call and get help. Because turning down a victim, independently of their sex, is a fucking inhuman thing to do. Evident… | /r/MensRights | 19/05/24 04:16 PM |
| 0 | One of the most important things for men to realise is that women don't actually care about you as a human being.This is a dismal take, and the people responding "it's not just women, nobody actually cares about anyone" are just as bad. I feel sorry for you if you've never experienced uninterested love, whether in a relationship or in friendship. I can assure you it exists. Women will care for you as a human being if you care for them as human beings. To be loved like that you have to love like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/24 03:57 PM |
| 5 | Is all this a good use of our time?In a way, it's similar to porn. You engage in it because you feel an impulse. But in the back of your mind you feel bad with yourself, because you know that there are better ways to spend your limited time on this earth. While in porn the need is physical, here it's purely psychological. I come here, to be honest, because I feel lonely. I have thoughts about our world and the relationship between sexes that I don't feel I can express in my daily life, because of how I would be judged. This is th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/05/24 02:11 PM |
| 2 | We need to Bully The Red PillsUnfortunately, the upvote-downvote system of this crappy website has the magical power to kill interesting discussions. Obviously, a person who has been downvoted will be less likely to participate in that subreddit in the future. Therefore, the final form of any subreddit is a group of people all agreeing with each other (a circlejerk). I know it's difficult, but my suggestion, if you are interested in the mission of the subreddit, is to keep engaging despite the occasional downvotes. Because t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/24 04:04 PM |
| 7 | How do you combat the stats of men vastly outnumbering women in nearly all crime?There is nothing to combat. Men commit more crimes, that's just a fact. Does that mean we should be prejudiced against all men for what a tiny minority does? Absolutely fucking no. It's the prejudice we fight against, not the data itself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/24 01:43 PM |
| 1 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.This is a bit stereotypical, but I think women are a lot more attentive to people's feeling. It's nuanced and hard to describe. The general vibe with my male friends is just more rough and competitive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/24 07:28 AM |
| 1 | A Contradiction: A Little Self-CriticismYou point out something that I have always had in mind but had never considered so clearly. I think it is possible to address men's issues and at the same time oppose tribalism and the exaggerated victimhood of identity politics. I don't want men to get special treatment in work areas where they are underrepresented. I do not want men who experience mild harassment by women to be treated as rape survivors. I don't want men to be assigned men-only train cars. But I do want more mental health camp… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/24 03:54 PM |
| 38 | Why Do I Get The Ick When Men Are Emotional Around Me?That was brutal to read. She redeems herself in the end, but her initial reaction of "stop trauma-dumping on me" is simply crushing. Men are educated to suppress their emotions and never let their weaknesses show. And if a guy, out of exasperation, tries to reverse the process by connecting to someone he feels he can trust, he's considered icky, and he's told he should go to therapy instead. Which is like saying: pay a stranger who doesn't really care so we, your friends, the people who should c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 05:38 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone else here feel like men are seen as expendable by society?This is the only logical conclusion of the position "women can't be drafted because society needs them for making children". If women and men have parallel duties (to fight and to repopulate), then both should be...duties. Otherwise it's a violation of individual autonomy for men, and a nice-to-have-but-only-if-you-feel-like-it for women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/24 05:09 AM |
| 31 | The women are wonderful affect is another example of feminsits wanting to have it both ways.All of this stops being confusing when one realizes that many of these women start from an overwhelming inferiority complex toward men. They see men as stronger, more confident, more successful, and unburdened by society's expectations related to their gender. They idealize the male experience to convince themselves that their envy is justified and that the grass is greener on the other side. Their push for equality actually starts from this assumption of women's inferiority to men. Which, parad… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/05/24 10:05 AM |
| – | How do you think Ukraine should handle conscription during their war?Agreed. But since people are drafted, and since most nations would draft citizens in case of extreme need, shouldn't it at least be done in a fair way? Or is a double injustice (sex-based draft) preferable to a single injustice (draft)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/24 01:43 PM |
| 8 | When you think about it. Positive masculinity is just a gate way drug to toxic masculinity.In one way or another, masculinity seems to be associated with the concept of strength, especially with the potential for violence that stems from it. As a man, society expects you to be relatively strong. This is a primal cognitive bias. When people discuss masculinity, the core question is: how will a man use his strength? To harm the weak? That's "toxic masculinity." To protect the weak? That's "positive masculinity." I once read a compelling argument that it's unrealistic to expect a man to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/24 02:22 AM |
| 3 | 30 men have died while attempting to leave Ukraine to avoid fighting in warIf I was a boy growing up today I would be seriously disturbed by the cognitive dissonance all around me. People denouncing male privileges and putting men down, as if they are all part of a superior class. In the news, men being literally dragged to die "because it's their duty as citizens". Meanwhile women, who enjoy all the same rights and are citizens the same way, are free from any duty. And still, men are demanded to support gender equality...for women. The world is a complex place and man… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/05/24 10:20 AM |
| 37 | 70% of palestine victims are women and childrenSo much this. The men dying in the front lines are truck drivers, accountants, farmers. But since they're given a uniform and a few days of training, they're magically not civilians anymore. So their death is suddenly not a tragedy, but a normal occurrence in the development of the war. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/04/24 02:14 PM |
| 2 | Do men blame women for their problems?How has your first paragraph anything to do with the second? The fact that men and women are physically different is obvious. The fact that we should mandate them to adhere to gender roles does not follow. I believe that freedom, equality and individualism are conductive to more happiness, which is the purpose of our lives. I don't think they necessarely degenerate into narcissism and egoism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/24 05:30 PM |
| 3 | It’s exhausting and infuriating having to always “be the bigger man”And then you can decide to shut up and comply to their bullying, or you can tell them to go fuck themselves. Ultimately, dropping the stone cold act and expressing yourself is your choice. Carelessness about what others think is a part of it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 04:45 PM |
| 8 | Do men blame women for their problems?parity just doesn't' work when you run the numbers What do you mean by that? I see no problem in complete parity (of rights and duties). In fact, in my mind that's the meaning of men's advocacy: integral egalitarianism between men and women (as opposed to feminism, which is picky about what parts of equality it wants). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 02:24 PM |
| 59 | Do men blame women for their problems?Nope. Contrarily to feminism, we don't see men's problems as caused by a cartoonishly oppressive tyranny of women. Reality is more complex. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/04/24 04:54 AM |
| 6 | It’s exhausting and infuriating having to always “be the bigger man”If you never let people guess your feelings, then even a mild expression will sound like shouting to them. But your reaction to that shouldn't be to suck it up and go back to silence. If people call you "overly emotional", that's just a way for them to blame you for being hurt, because they don't want to think themselves as having done something wrong. But the point is, if these people care even slightly for you, they won't willingly hurt you again. And if they don't, then why would you care for… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 09:11 PM |
| 23 | It’s exhausting and infuriating having to always “be the bigger man”Meanwhile - those around me… and admittedly, typically (though hardly always) women - seem to be allowed to say whatever the hell they want, and expect me to just… deal with it. One option you have is to stop dealing with it. If you do not signal to the outside world that you have been hurt, people will continue to use you as an emotional punching bag. There is no need to lash out: you can be as gentle as taking a person aside for a moment and saying, "I didn't give it away, but I was very hurt … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 03:13 PM |
| 16 | Sick And Tired Of The "Women And Children" NarrativeNo doubt women and children suffer in places like war zones and disaster zones, but so do men I guess the reasoning of those who use the "women and children" rhetoric in the context of warfare is that women are more passive subjects in world events, being less represented in places of power. In their minds, males decides, and women suffer without having a voice. This thinking is easily debunked by noting that: if the context is democratic, then those in power, regardless of their gender, represe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/24 03:00 PM |
| 118 | I got banned from r/boysarequirky for pointing out that caring about isolation epidemic that affects men does not make one antifeminist and no its not just happening to incels.The usual, just feminists creating more anti-feminists by pushing moderate men out of their spaces. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/24 05:33 PM |
| 7 | Corporate is the worst place to be a man nowadaysI feel stupid just to point it out, but finding 1 good employee among 100 applicants is more likely than finding 1 among 3. So, reducing the number hirable applicants reduces the average quality. Do you think these large companies don't understand basic statistics? Or they don't care about hiring incompetent people? And, either way, how the fuck are they in businesses? | /r/MensRights | 27/03/24 05:08 PM |
| 16 | Does anyone else get negative reactions to crying in front of women?It's also possible not to morph your behavior to fit women's expectations. Impressing girls shouldn't necessarily be your priority. | /r/MensRights | 25/03/24 06:02 PM |
| 17 | The Yes No Questionnaire for FeministsI was thinking more about "peacetime conscription" (compulsory military service). I know there are some exceptions, but in most parts of the world it is still reserved for men. This is a hot topic for example in Korea, where the traditional refusal to include women and the lack of push from parties that otherwise support gender equality is generating a lot of resentment among young men toward feminism. In general, the feeling in subs like this is that feminism is rather reluctant to support form… | /r/MensRights | 25/03/24 03:31 PM |
| 35 | The Yes No Questionnaire for FeministsOP's set of questions is weird. But I think two of your answers are cop-outs: -No one should have to work into old age -I do not agree with conscription. The question is: since people do work to old age and are forced to serve in the military, do you think these burdens should be divided equally between men and women? I agree with you that these problems should not exist. But fighting for their elimination is another matter. As long as they exist (and imho they are not going anywhere anytime soo… | /r/MensRights | 25/03/24 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Denmark to start conscripting women for military serviceI agree 100% with what you wrote. That is why I am against compulsory service. Some people are actively screwed by the society they live in. But even if one benefits from living in a society, that's not a choice. I have no way to leave, even if I wanted. Because wherever you go in the world, there will always be a state that will ask me to be a registered citizen. So since being a member of a nation is not a choice, it should not involve a debt. Therefore compulsory military service is wrong. Th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/24 02:37 PM |
| 16 | As LWMA's, how do we respond to posts like this one?The issue is in the 2nd word. Calling out "men" because of what a shitty minority does is unfair. It's like asking "indians" to stop doing online scams, or "danes" to stop killing whales. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/24 02:21 PM |
| 8 | Denmark to start conscripting women for military servicebut that would ignore all single women without children and fathers could also stay at home.. Exactly conservatives like crowder would argue that women are not fit for military service or police They usually have no problem with women volunteering in the military or police. But for some reason, mandatory service must be applied only to males. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/03/24 09:48 AM |
| 31 | Denmark to start conscripting women for military serviceTo me conscription is an abomination. But some people are in favor of it. What is their reason to be in favor? It's usually the following: being in a free society is a privilege, and benefiting from this privilege entails a debt for citizens. Debt which, if need be, they must repay by fighting. I understand the logic, even if I do not agree with it. But talking about conscription in the West in 2024 raises an obvious question. If all citizens benefit from the privilege of living in a free societ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/03/24 03:01 PM |
| 56 | Do men see women as objects?"Men see women as objects" might be sometimes true in a narrow sense. But that's surprising only if you ignore all the other instances of the human experience in which we objectify each other. I might see a plumber as an object, as he's the instrument through which the leakage in my sink will be fixed. I might see a football player as an object, since his utility entirely lies in his capacity to score a goal. And yes, I might also see a person I like sexually as an object, since she/he is instru… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/03/24 07:06 AM |
| 9 | Existing in the education system/academia as a man is a pain.there were clear issues with unscientific theories being treated as scientific ... These courses and papers constantly gave scientific legitimacy to feminism even though it didn't deserve any of that as feminism is anti-intellectual and pseudoscientific This point really strikes me. Many activists who claim that their views are supported by science are actually no different in mind-set from medieval monks. Interpreting data should always be done according to the principle of efficiency (Occam's … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/03/24 02:41 PM |
| 11 | Toxic masculinity is a harmful myth. Society is in denial about the problems of boys and men.Psychology professionals are starting to push back against the use of this terms, since it's obviously damaging to their male patients. Feminists are puzzled by this pushback, because it's supposed to be damaging... | /r/MensRights | 11/03/24 08:35 AM |
| 6 | I hate it when feminists talk about wars.One of the main wake up calls for me, in terms of seeing the inadequacy of the feminist way of framing history, was a documentary I saw about soldiers who came back from WWI. It was a VERY crude documentary. It showcased the entire spectrum of physical and mental wounds these men were inflicted. People with half face missing. People with no eyes and nose. People so traumatized that they couldn't stop shaking as if they had an extreme form of Parkinson's. They were all men who, a few years prior,… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/24 09:07 AM |
| 27 | Paternity leave: Call for more help as fathers cannot afford time offBelieve it or not, I had the exact same conversation with a friend. She was babbling about how there should be mandatory paternity leave so that women are not unfairly disadvantaged, and how this would be beneficial to women's careers and salaries. Her focus was all on women. Then I added, "It would also be good for dads, allowing them to bond more with their children." She nodded, mumbled a "yes," and there was an awkward silence. I think there was a short circuit in her head. She saw compulsor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/03/24 02:25 PM |
| 1 | Men shouldn't dismiss so quickly the idea that unequal distribution of housework/childcare contributes to divorcesContinuous communication between partners is the only important thing here. You cannot theoretically decide on paper who should do what. There are too many ambiguities and unquantifiable contributions. Just to give a couple of examples: Contribution to housework by itself means very little. What it matters is the overall contribution to the well-being of the family. That should be equal between partners. Earning money contributes to that well-being (indeed, I dare say, it's the indispensable fou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/24 11:57 AM |
| 4 | Would you say that "patriarchy" is a vague and obscure boogeyman?What is really surprising is that a political theory can have a "central idea" at its core, which remains unquestioned despite its obvious obsolescence. In this sense it is absolutely clear to me dogmatic ideologies occupy the place left vacant by religion in our psyche. With secularism, we thought we had overcome dogmatism. Instead, it came through the back door. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/24 08:37 AM |
| 1 | Would you say that "patriarchy" is a vague and obscure boogeyman?That's a great response, thanks! The issue is clearly at the very core: "patriarchy is when the society is set up for the benefit of men at the expense of women". I wonder if there any ongoing effort, in philosophy, to critique this theory of patriarchy and probe its consistence. It seems an effort that could benefit from a multidisciplinary approach, since the relationship between men and women in society is also object of study of anthropology, social psychology, history, etc. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/24 07:26 AM |
| 10 | I think some women confused indifference with misogyny.I think there is a huge section of women in society that aren't used to indifference. They are so used to men either being chivalrous or misogynistic towards them. Their mistake is to identify patriarchy exclusively with the mistreatment of women. In doing so, they forget that a big component of patriarchy is the exact opposite: it is about pampering women and giving them special attention. I think these regards are very pervasive in everyday interactions, and they may not even be very obvious. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/03/24 11:18 AM |
| 16 | Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW Analysis (My criticism)A possible response to the last question is evolutionary. Women are more valuable than men from a reproductive standpoint. So, in a world of scarcity and low population, nature gave us the mindworm of gender roles (which basically prescribe that women are valuables who should be kept in a safe; men are resources who should be employed and sacrificed for the protection of the collectivity). Since scarcity is not a problem anymore, we realized that women's role is obsolete. Logically, that means m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/03/24 08:34 AM |
| 98 | Why the political worldviews of young men and women are increasingly diverging | DW Analysis (My criticism)The problem is always the same with these points of view. It's the false syllogism: Feminism is advocacy for women Men are critical of feminism Therefore men do not want women's issues to be solved. The reasons why men are critical of feminism is always swept under the rug, or misrepresented. Yes, we want women's issues to be solved. But we also want men's issues to be given the same level of care and attention. It's basic reciprocity. After all, if both traditional gender roles are restrictive … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/03/24 06:26 PM |
| 155 | Why won’t Britons serve in the armed forces if called? | YouGovThose women of conscription age (18-40) are the most likely to say women should not be conscripted No way. The generation of women most concerned with gender equality is the least likely to accept equal treatment when it would be to its own direct disadvantage? I'm shocked. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/24 03:40 PM |
| 8 | More women may be psychopaths than previously thought, says expertI don't see any evidence in this research paper to support this argument. The fact that J.K. Rowling idealizes cis women and does not accept them as capable of antisocial behavior doesn't make it true. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/24 03:23 PM |
| 13 | Scientific study conducted by "Feminists" claims that about 30% of men have ever engaged in some form sexual coercion, not only in the United States and Canada but also globally.I'm quickly going through the first link you posted...am I wrong or it's not that bad? The paper aknowledges that rape against males exist and is not rare at all. At page 6 it's said that the ratio male/female victims is 74,8% (basically 7.5 men are raped for every 10 women). It also says that 85-90% of men are raped by women. Moreover, it says the the number of female perpetrators is 61,9% that of male perpetrators (so lower, but absolutely not negligible either). It seems that these numbers ac… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/24 12:07 PM |
| 14 | One thing that greatly bothers me about some feminist is that they often imply that all gender discrimination and differences in treatment under a patriarchal systems is caused by that system and in its absence would seize to existthey will imply that because war are primarily started by powerful men, the patriarchy is the cause of war ... On to the point of conscription. This is also implied to be caused by the patriarchy "It's caused by patriarchy," in this context, means "it's not our problem, you have to work it out yourselves" This drives me insane. Suppose wars and conscription are in fact caused by the Patriarchy. You are feminists. You claim to be the No. 1 enemy of the Patriarchy. Then why the f*** do you say, "i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/02/24 10:39 AM |
| 7 | I majored in Gender Studies (Australia) AMABut that's my doubt with intersectionality: when do you stop adding categories? Ideally, I imagine, if you really want a full picture, you should add all the categories that compose a person's life experience. Also, social class (being rich/poor) is surely the category most clearly correlated with privilege. In normal circumstances, a woman working at McKinsey as managing director is to be considered more privileged than a guy working minimum wages at a construction site, even if she's a black w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/02/24 07:46 AM |
| 6 | I majored in Gender Studies (Australia) AMAI honestly have 0 preconceived notions about that. It's not a common field of studies in my country, and I know very little about it. What motivated you to get into Gender Studies? What readings would you recommend to a layman? Is feminism the main framework? Are male issues recognized and studied? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/24 03:35 PM |
| 0 | Women would throw a fit if a man explained female sexuality to them, yet in universities every day female professors claim to understand and explain male sexuality to students.Any expert in human anatomy can explain sexuality. End of the story. Claiming that "a man cannot explain female sexuality", or vice-versa, is idiocy. We can study and teach stuff even if we don't have first-hand experience of it. That's what culture is all about. It's like saying only a snake can explain reptile anatomy, or that no-one can explain ancient history (since everyone knowing it first-hand is dead). Let's not give credit to this segregationist mentality. | /r/MensRights | 15/02/24 09:15 AM |
| 9 | Working class men just don’t matterhe tried to refute the statistic where men are more likely to commit suicide. He blamed it on ‘Toxic masculinity’ I swear to God, I read someone stating that the reason men commit suicide more is that they don't care about causing trauma to whomever finds their dead body. Mind you, it was not a random troll. It was a real association trying to contrast the most common "manosphere" talking points. They were saying, in perfectly good faith, that the reason men kill themselves in greater number tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/02/24 11:35 AM |
| 6 | What are some little known men's rights issues?They got lambasted by a politician who said it’s disgusting that such an association exists when women are still discriminated and that any such organization needs to be feminist. One has to be a Zen master not to feel his blood boiling at such reasoning. Both males and females suffer from discrimination. Why the fuck should it be disgusting to talk about male discrimination "when women are still discriminated"? Why such lack of urgency? Isn't this kind of thinking, in itself, a noteworthy type … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 02:48 PM |
| 37 | What are some little known men's rights issues?What are some well known men's issues? Talk about any issue predominantly experienced by men outside reddit and people will think you're drunk. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 08:21 AM |
| 24 | What is happening to this sub?I fucking hate how, on the internet, everything must be brought to the extreme. "Agree with me, otherwise you're contributing to the spread of fascism". Fascism's best friend is simplicity. All opinions should always be complex. Ideally, no one should be easily pigeonholed into any political category. Our global culture is now obsessed with categories. We are incentivized to smooth out any complexity in our beliefs, because it's much easier for marketing to address categories than single individ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/24 11:51 AM |
| 11 | Latvia restores military slavery (conscription) for men only.It's important to note how rare it is, for people, to frame this as a gender discrimination. In reinstating mandatory military service, I don't believe these politicians have considered the possibility of extending it to women, even as an afterthought. It's always been only males. So obviously it continues to be only males. I think this is an important point, because many people believe that discrimination against men is not structural, or systemic, as opposed to the one against women. In such i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/24 11:03 AM |
| 10 | New EU Directive on Femicide has been approved: Male Victims are second class citizens in EU nowIf they wanted to specifically address a women's issue, this should be a law against sexual violence. Because, let's be real, the only type of violence women experience disproportionately more than men is rape. In a sane world, this would be a gender neutral directive against sexual violence. Instead they decided not only to make it gendered, but also to make it against violence in general. Which, to me, is incredible. They're aiming at introducing an imbalance in the law, based on sex, for a wi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/24 09:44 AM |
| 4 | Why the governments of many countries want to increase the participation of women in STEM?If the feminist institutions pushing for those measures were honest, their claim would sound something like: "now that the men have done the dirty job of building the foundations, surviving the early ruthless competition and made the industry flourish, now we want women to enter it and take some profits". It doesn't sound too good...better to talk about equal representation, which apparently is only important when an industry has become glamorous and lucrative. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/24 11:02 AM |
| 5 | How many people here believe that woman were opressed?Yes, I believe women were oppressed. But contrary to many, I think men were oppressed as well. And here lies the heart of the controversy. If both men and women are oppressed, the natural question is: oppressed by whom? But this question is itself wrong, because it implies a fallacy: the idea that there must be a "character," a personal force behind the way society is configured. My view is that oppression has always been an impersonal force that emerged from the complexity of human society. Wom… | /r/MensRights | 30/01/24 03:42 PM |
| 26 | just treat women like human beings-what does that mean?Men sometimes have prejudices on women (either putting them on a pedestal or doubting their capacities). And, since they are human beings, obviously women are absolutely not free from prejudices against men. The more I read about gender issues, the more I realize that the problem is always the same: irreciprocity. There's a demand for interest on one issue, and an utter lack of interest for another aspect of the same issue, which is unexplainably either deemed unimportant or non-existent. For so… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/01/24 11:34 AM |
| 14 | We have to solve the male disposability issue once and for allEquality of everyone beyond any difference in sex, race or social status is arguably a founding value of the modern world. Even more fundamental than individual freedom. With that in mind, it's surprising how speaking against conscription in itself is much easier than speaking against the unfairness of gendered-conscription. Some are in favor of the draft. Others are against it. But regardless, one would expect everyone to agree that men and women should have similar duties in such an eventualit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/24 06:10 PM |
| 5 | Feminist academics are proposing a hostile takeover of masculinity, targeting young men and boys for re-education with 'healthy masculinities'.The expression "healthy" / "positive masculinity" is particularly insidious. It suggests something obviously good, when in fact it implies a level of manipulation not unlike that operated by the far right (which, by contrast, treads on the more toxic aspects of classical masculinity). The manosphere is, at least in part, young men becoming aware of the unfairness of the expectations society poses on them. If encouraged and well developed, it could be a parallel track to women's liberation, and j… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/24 05:39 PM |
| 4 | Why are men's spaces seen as harmful?Gender awareness plays a huge part in all of this. As an average man, you need to go out of your way to become aware of your experience as being gendered. "Being a man", in the default lazy mode of thinking, is seen as synonym of "being a person". While being a woman is considered to be something extra, added on top of "being a person". As a consequence, women tend to be more aware of their gender, and this shows in how they more easily empathize with each other based on their gendered experienc… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/24 05:14 PM |
| 8 | The "If men were the ones getting pregnant meme" is infuriating and wrongTo be fair...they are using the phrase "If men were the ones getting pregnant" as a rhetorical tool. Of course such a hypothesis would have all sorts of ramifications, but that's not the point. The concept they want to convey is: "in our world women's issues aren't taken seriously, while men issues are". Your objection is, in my opinion, accurate regarding the reproductive function having a key role in the emergence of gender roles. And it points out that the sentence they are using is unfit to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/24 04:28 PM |
| 17 | The "If men were the ones getting pregnant meme" is infuriating and wrongPure delusion. If men were the ones getting pregnant, we'd have mandatory pregnancy for every man between 18 and 29, with harsh punishment for "pregancy-dodgers". Guaranteed. Gender-specific obligations are widely accepted by the public when they are directed at men. They are unacceptable when directed at women. See duty of child support, even in cases of forced sex, and compulsory military service all over the world. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/24 03:54 PM |
| 2 | Just wanted to say thanks I guessThank you for the kind words. Let's have more wholesomeness and less rage here | /r/MensRights | 29/12/23 03:08 PM |
| 7 | To all feminists lurkers, please explain what women need more of in resources in the Western Countries? Something that men get disproportionately more of.I love how, in the midst of the usual aggressiveness, one can stumble on such a healthy stance. I wish more "feminist lurkers" would decide to write here in such a constructive way. It's so important to challenge each other's preconceptions, to make people realize that many feminists are not insane misandrists, just like many MRAs are not spiteful incels. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/23 02:54 PM |
| 2 | "Feminism is only seen as Misandry because it puts men on the same ground as women"Yeah, like most subreddits, this place doesn't exactly welcome opposing views. They won't silence you (which, in my book, makes them a lot better than menslib), but for sure they'll downvote you. I'm very critical of feminism myself (despite being fully in favor of women's equal rights and the intrinsic equal worth of men and women). Still I'd love there to be some place where people with opposing viewpoint could discuss non-aggressively like we're doing now. But I guess the internet, in its cur… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/12/23 09:19 AM |
| 6 | "Feminism is only seen as Misandry because it puts men on the same ground as women"In theory, I'd also be more on the menslib side. Because I agree, the MRA-sphere is a real mess, and there's a lot of shitheads in it who just don't want anything to change. But, to me, the menslib subreddit feels the most inhospitable place there is for open discussion. If you are even remotely critical of feminism (which is not the same of being against women's rights), you are not downvoted. You are directly banned. The result is that people writing there walks on pins and needles not to say … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/12/23 03:08 PM |
| 6 | "Feminism is only seen as Misandry because it puts men on the same ground as women"This is something to always keep in mind. Culture war is mass distraction through rage-bait. Otherwise it wouldn't be fomented by mega-corporations. All other inequalities are almost insignificant compared to class inequality. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/12/23 02:46 PM |
| 11 | "Feminism is only seen as Misandry because it puts men on the same ground as women"The standard feminist comment is that males face these issues because of the patriarchy. If you think about it, by saying that they kinda shoot themselves in the foot. Because if men's issues originated from the patriarchy, and if feminism's goal was to destroy ALL the patriarchy, then male issues, in feminism, should have exactly the same relevance as women's issues... Instead, anyone with eyes can see that feminist activism absolutely never confronts men's issues. They may acknowledge them, sa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/12/23 07:32 AM |
| 44 | "Feminism is only seen as Misandry because it puts men on the same ground as women"Feminism is very good at bringing women UP to the same ground as men. But it seems to be very bad at bringing women DOWN to the same ground as men. Its misandry lays exactly there: in being unable to capture the full extent of the male experience, and instead considering it an easy carnival ride. In being hand wavy and dismissive towards men whose life situations, for reasons entirely correlated with their gender, are a lot more difficult than their narrative can contemplate | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/12/23 11:47 PM |
| 75 | Over 5K likes for this…"Take this, lonely teenager on the verge of suicide! You helped build the patriarchy, and now you reap what you have sown" Subtlety and depth of feminist thinking. Also astonishing sensitivity. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/12/23 02:39 PM |
| 1 | What does men's rights mean to you?I am deeply egalitarian. I am radically critical of any superstructure imposing "roles" on people lives, especially those carried on by tradition. Nothing triggers me more than the phrase "It's always been done this way." Gender roles are a prime example of such stupid traditionalism. No man should have to perform to prove he is a man. No woman should have to prove she is a woman either. Everyone should be allowed to be themselves. I care so much about men's rights, because I clearly see that ou… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/23 09:41 AM |
| 8 | "Men should open up about their problems and show more emotion" is disingenuous and downright awful advice.Thing is many of our problems stem from issues we perceive in the society we live in. And you can be sure feminists don't want to hear about THOSE problems. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/12/23 11:52 AM |
| 9 | Tired of conditional lovePrioritize yourself and stuff you enjoy. Do your best with the means you have. Don't worry about what you can't change. The world in which that girl you like falls in love with you just in virtue of who you are, is simply not the world we live in. It's a fantasy. Or see it this way: would you really want to be with a person who loved you only if you spent a lot of money on her? If you don't want to conform to such expectations, you can choose to be yourself and avoid them. If it means you won't … | /r/MensRights | 25/12/23 07:54 AM |
| 2 | Why do some people here like Jordan Peterson so much? I think he is part of the problem, he seems like another tradcon who tries to force gender roles etcI very much dislike him intellectualy. He approaches everything through a Jungian perspective (which is not the most scientifically sound framework to begin with), and moreover he dumbs it down to the level of a rulebook. The result is mostly bullshit. But he shows a lot of empathy towards male suffering and the unfairness of many men's life situation. He's not afraid to show his feelings and to cry (and, in mocking him, his detractors make themselves look much more regressive than him). Many me… | /r/MensRights | 25/12/23 06:11 AM |
| 3 | Important peice of framing for male advocates: misandrist sentiments vs. misandrist peopleI agree 100%. That kind of empathy should be reserved for people who err in good faith. Maybe I'm too much of an optimist, but I believe most people in everyday life are like that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/23 04:13 PM |
| 7 | Ukraine war: Male citizens living abroad to be asked to join army; anyone who did not comply would be sanctioned.Not entirely related, but I remember reading an article about the story of a Ukrainian refugee family. The story described their daily life, their worries because of the war, and so on. The article concluded with: "the two boys in the family are about to turn 18. They will soon have to return to Ukraine and make themselves available to the army." It was like a cold shower. The horror of those two boys being forced to leave a safe place, their mother and sisters, to go to a war zone just because … | /r/MensRights | 22/12/23 02:41 PM |
| 14 | What do you think about traditional gender role?They are completely harmful and should be nuked. I mean that no personal characteristic should be enforced just because of someone's sex. If a boy doesn't like sports and is constitutionally weak, you shouldn't press him into being athletic and strong. If a girl is not graceful and doesn't care about clothes, you shouldn't want her to change and conform to a stereotype. I don't mean that people should never conform to those roles. If a man wants to do boxing and go hunting, let him be. If a woma… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/23 02:22 PM |
| 4 | Important peice of framing for male advocates: misandrist sentiments vs. misandrist peopleLike OP says, I do not deny the existence of misandrist (or racist, or misogynist) people. If someone outright says "kill all men", he/she is obviously misandrist. End of the story. But most people are not extremists like that. Misandry, in most, may manifest through behaviors usually considered normal, but which actually originate from unconscious biases (e.g., teaching boys they should not cry, but not girls). These are bad behaviors too, but we shouldn't go around and accusing everyone of bei… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/23 02:00 PM |
| 10 | Important peice of framing for male advocates: misandrist sentiments vs. misandrist peopleI absolutely support what you are saying. Automatically associating a person's character with their attitude is never a good way to frame an issue, or to make them empathize with you. We should point out the misandry in behaviors, not call people misandrists. But, I must say, in reality most people tend to be quite defensive of their beliefs and habits, especially if they are not used to perceiving them as problematic. It should be noted that the word "misandry" is much more foreign to people th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/23 11:11 AM |
| 10 | How to abolish conscription (military slavery) around the world?!We first should remove from our brains the idea that "you can do a little bad, if you do it to accomplish something good". Think about it. Everything unjust in the world is because of this. Deep down, we believe the end justifies the means. Killing a person in a rush of anger? You're a murderer. Killing 10.000 people (by forcing them to fight) in order to achieve a political goal? You're a brilliant strategist. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/23 10:35 AM |
| 1 | "in a man there is no occurrence for a conscious desire to procreate" Italian supreme court said about biological paternityIt can mean both of them actuallybut why would it mention "conscious will to procreate" in the matter of not wanting to procreate? Sorry if I insist. But, logically, that sentence I posted above is unambiguous. It has only one meaning. I don't know if you speak italian or not. Maybe you're missing some context. That article you posted is from the Q&A section of a law firm's blog. A user asks: "is a man responsible to his child even if he was tricked by his partner during sex, and therefore did n… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/23 09:14 AM |
| 1 | "in a man there is no occurrence for a conscious desire to procreate" Italian supreme court said about biological paternityMan, you're quoting 4 words taken from a very long sentence: "The jurisprudence of this Court is unequivocal in affirming that, in the hypothesis of birth by natural fertilization, paternity is attributed as a legal consequence of conception, so that the biological element is exclusively decisive and, since a conscious desire to procreate is also not necessary, no relevance can be attributed to the "dis-will" of the alleged father, a different interpretation placing itself in contrast with at. 3… | /r/MensRights | 21/12/23 04:44 PM |
| 2 | "in a man there is no occurrence for a conscious desire to procreate" Italian supreme court said about biological paternityThis text doesn't say what's written in the title. It says that a man, in case his paternity is certain, is automatically responsible for supporting the child, regardless of his will or whether or not he wanted to procreate at the time of sexual intercourse. It doesn't say he cannot have a desire to procreate. It says that his desire (or lack of) is irrelevant. He's responsible anyway. I believe the law is similarly unjust in most other countries. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/23 04:06 PM |
| 4 | Is it wrong to ask why Ukraine won't draft young able bodied women?Stay strong man. It's a shit world. But we have to play the cards we're dealt. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/23 03:52 PM |
| 6 | How do i respond to people who claim that domestic violence against women is more serious bec. It result in more death than the other way around?What I came to realize is that many people like to present themselves as being on "the reasonable side". They don't want to think seriously about this stuff. They just want a shortcut to being right, without spending any effort. This leads them to go with the most easy and commonly accepted worldview (in this case, that domestic violence is a women issue caused by a patriarchical world). And they'll treat any opinion conflicting with it as outrageous, without even knowing why. I know that, by de… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/12/23 02:27 PM |
| 13 | Ukraine military seeks extra 500,000 soldiers - President ZelenskyAn allied to the West, a nation in the process of entering the E.U., desperately needs soldiers but is refusing to include women in the draft...law-mandated gender discrimination in 2023! Come on feminists, now it's your time! Speak up for equality! ... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/12/23 08:36 AM |
| 18 | How do i respond to people who claim that domestic violence against women is more serious bec. It result in more death than the other way around?My point is that one demographic being numerically less represented among victims of a certain phenomenon does not make that demographic irrelevant. I don't know why there are fewer men victims of domestic violence than women. But whatever the reason, what does it matter? Victims are victims, right? We should help them all, right? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/23 04:17 PM |
| 44 | How do i respond to people who claim that domestic violence against women is more serious bec. It result in more death than the other way around?Based on demographic prevalence, it is safe to assume that more straight people die in traffic accidents than gay people. Since there are fewer gay victims than straight ones, here's a brilliant idea: we should focus our efforts on helping heterosexual road victims only! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/23 02:20 PM |
| 2 | Your biggest criticisms of the word " Toxic Masculinity?"The word "toxic" means it is "poisonous", "destructive". Like some chemical polluting the waters of a lake. Notice how the focus is outwards. It's about how this type of masculinity impacts those around you. There's no interest on the inner world of the "toxic" man. On how he feels. It's a notion that reinforces the identification between manliness and responsibility. It is another instance of male "hyper-agentification", and it's also a reinforcement of traditional masculinity. If a man has a v… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/23 11:42 AM |
| 3 | Scientists are on the verge of a male birth-control pill. Will men take it?Two things I picked up from the tone of this article: As usual, men are never subjected to systemic issues. In case they don't want to take a pill, it's not anyone's job to understand the reasons and fix them. Instead it's because of individual men being wimps and cowards who should just "man up" and be as brave as women. Interesting. Facing the side effects is portrayed as an heroic self-sacrifice that women endure stoically. When the pill comes out and men start taking it normally (as they do … | /r/MensRights | 19/12/23 11:27 AM |
| 53 | "The Story Of Art Without Men"Men-bashing is quite normal in day by day life. People see it as inoffensive. Since in the popular narrative men are powerful, mocking them is seen as "punching up". Never mind that the average person buying an art history book is probably way above, in social position, than the majority of men on this planet. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/12/23 04:50 PM |
| 103 | I'm sick of how much it seems like men and women don't even like each other.I might be a man but I want to help women with their problems, and try to understand and learn from them, but I want the same for men, but this just seems like absolute madness to way to many people. I strongly vibe with this. It's the lack of reciprocity that drives me nuts. It's ugly to say it, but that's how it is: I would feel much more empathetic and attentive to women's issues, if those same people asking for our empathy wouldn't regularly scoff at our request for the same level of support… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/12/23 04:23 PM |
| 2 | The majority of Reddit is pro-feminist. Maybe the majority of society.There's a big gap in between how people feel about stuff and what they talk about. I disagree that most people are pro-feminist. Gender issues are attractive for platforms precisely because they are polarizing (therefore they generate buzz and ad revenues). If most people were pro-feminism, paradoxically, you would see a lot less content about it: uncontroversial topics don't get pushed by the Algorithm. But "feminist", as a label, is considered much more clean than "masculist" or (even worse) "… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/12/23 03:32 PM |
| 2 | On the topic of military draftThere's a famous clip taken from the Swiss tv in the 90s where the interviewer goes to a group young men at the end of their military service to get their statements. The reporter obviously wants to get some positive opinion from these boys, but she can't find any. They all say it's been a total waste of time, or use much worse and "colorful" expressions to describe their time in the army. This is just to say that, probably, forcing all young males into a beaurocratic and dull environment for a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/23 08:19 AM |
| 2 | On the topic of military draftSocieties do think that. It's been shown by research papers that people naturally have less empathy towards men than towards women. Luckily we can overcome our biological limitations, and correct this bias, which is the source of many of the issues men face. But instead our society is reinforcing it in innumerable ways | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/23 08:04 AM |
| 2 | On the topic of military draftThat's exactly my point! Pretending to care so much about one type of abuse (sexual), is just a way justify wanting to spare women all other types...which men have to endure exclusively instead. It doesn't make sense, since sexual violence, despite being horrible, is neither the only or the worst type of abuse a POW might face. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/23 07:59 AM |
| 1 | On the topic of military draftTbf I also know that most feminists think draft is bad. But fact is that sometimes it's considered the lesser evil and it's used. Being that the case all over the world, you'd expect to see feminists protesting the systematic exclusion of women. Instead, all feminist voices are just weirdly quiet and uninterested in talking about it as a gender issue. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/23 07:49 AM |
| 1 | On the topic of military draftMy point is that, in not seriously addressing male systemic issues, even when they are so obvious, feminist are not doing what they say they want to do (fighting for gender equality). As soon as the issue involves men (and therefore the solution would be damaging for women) suddenly they are much less interested in equality. Their justification is that "male issues stem from the patriarchy, so men are damaging themselves". But if this was true, and if feminism goal was to smash the patriarchy...… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/23 07:41 AM |
| 2 | On the topic of military draftThat's what brought me to write this post actually. It's unbelievable how determined they are to silence any discussion alluding to male systemic gender discrimination. And, in their mind, that's the place where men suffering from systemic issues are supposed to go to find support! All in all their intolerance is just the manifestation of a deep insecurity and fear of losing the grip on the narrative. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/12/23 07:30 AM |
| 17 | So Tired Of Hearing About The "Patriarchy""The Patriarchy" starts from a nugget of historical truth, and then builds on it an amorphous unfalsifiable hyper-adaptable theory to describe any gender dynamic in a way that makes men fully responsible and women fully innocent of any systemic issue. It's toxic terminology which does nothing but fuel this idiotic culture war that's monopolizing our politics | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/23 05:42 PM |
| 5 | Oh my fucking god, UN strickes againWords are important. Choosing which words to use is an indication of one's ideology. Choosing which words NOT to use is as much significative. Not mentioning boys and men in a discourse on victimhood is a choice. As such, it's an expression of a precise ideological standpoint, which can be criticized. I say this because I'm dead tired of people pretending discrimination against men is imaginary. Ok, you'll never find an institution stating out loud: "male lives are less important than female liv… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/23 03:10 PM |
| 1 | Dear Mens Rights activists, why do some of you vote left?I don't care if they call themselves leftwing. To me, feminism is clearly rightwing thinking. Caring more about women's well-being than men's is a traditional way of thinking, not a new one. Feminists are victims of the same prejudices that created the "women and children first" mentality long ago. | /r/MensRights | 28/11/23 04:21 PM |
| 8 | "Never hit a woman."I actually agree regarding "all lives matter". Because statistics show that the lives of POCs are considered more expendable than the lives of white people. Based on this, we can infer that some racism must be in act, and we ought to understand it and stop it. But in case of violence, women are the least involved of the two sexes. Violence (both as a threat and as a tool) is much, much more present in men's lives. Not only that: when women suffer from violence it is for a myriad of motives. And … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/23 02:48 PM |
| 16 | "Never hit a woman."As usual, things get dumbed down and grotesquely simplified. Hidden in there, there's a good advice to teach boys: puberty in men involves testosterone, which affects your musculature. After puberty, you'll become stronger than the majority of women in front of you. That means that a man hitting a woman can do much more damage than a woman hitting a man with equal effort. That's it. That's the only useful truth in there. Everything else is just straight up sexism. The lesson should not be "never… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/23 11:16 AM |
| 41 | "Never hit a woman."As usual, discrimination against men tends to be implicit rather than explicit. "I don't hit women and children" superficially comes off as a positive and anti-violence statement. While the implication is clearly both sexist and pro-violence. This rethoric makes things hard. In people's mind, there's no way you can be critical of the "stop violence on women" movement, unless you're in favor of violence on women! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/23 11:06 AM |
| 8 | An exploration of the "emotional labour trope" and societies entitlement to control men's emotional expressionYou're right, "emotionally competent" is not a good term to describe what I mean, because it would imply a lower need for emotional labour. Maybe "emotionally fluent", meaning that women are usually better than men at recognizing and naming their emotions (but not necessarely at controlling them). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/11/23 03:16 PM |
| 18 | An exploration of the "emotional labour trope" and societies entitlement to control men's emotional expressionThis makes me reflect on the physical and the emotional types of abuse and how, generally, we're pretty good at spotting the former and pretty bad at spotting the latter. Generally, men are more physically competent than women, while women are more emotionally competent than men. This makes it easier for men to physically abuse women, and for women to emotionally abuse men. Emotional abuse can be as damaging as physical one. It takes various forms and, generally, it relies on men being inferior … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/11/23 04:37 AM |
| 3 | Having a negative perception of masculinity is linked to worse mental health, study finds“Toxic masculinity is toxic terminology” Barry told PsyPost. “We all need to stop using toxic terminology...". I pointed this out. So many people snarkly responded: "you don't understand what it means". Maybe we're all stupid and we don't. Maybe the psychologists who refuse to use this term are stupid too. But as a term it's clearly having such a toxic effect on the discussion and on the self-perception of many good people, that maybe it's worth considering that there's something wrong with it. … | /r/MensRights | 24/11/23 06:25 AM |
| 1 | women are more empathetic than man.Honestly I am inclined to believe this is true. It makes sense and corresponds to my daily experience. That said, the crucial point is not who is more empathetic. It is about the variance of empathy when dealing with issues of different genders. The widespread blindness to men's issues is influenced by the big prejudice we all share against men. The fact that women start from a higher "base" of empathy does not change the fact that we all, men and women, reserve two different levels of empathy f… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/23 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Why do some women genuinely think men have it MUCH better?It may have to do with some of our biological differences. From a physical point of view, it is hard not to argue that women have it the worst (they are on average weaker, menstruation, pregnancies...). Perhaps this has led to the creation of a psychological bias toward the belief that "men have it easier" in general? | /r/MensRights | 23/11/23 02:18 PM |
| 28 | "Educate the male folk."To detect misoginy, we need to pay attention to behavioral patterns, probe our unconscious biases and engage in spectacularly convoluted interpretations. Meanwhile, people go around quacking about "educating men" and never hearing the term misandry throughout their lives. It would be comedic if it wasn't real. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/11/23 11:28 AM |
| 23 | Good up-to-date, male-sympathetic piece of fictionAftersun (2022) is a movie about the difficult relationship between a dad and his daughter. He's divorced and depressed. She suffers his absence from her life and digs in her memories to try to understand him. Based on the subject matter, I expected the father's character to be villanized or treated with a preachyness for not being present / a good example. Instead, the movie shows a great deal of empathy towards him, highlighting the complexity and contraddictions of his character. It's sad tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/11/23 03:16 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: What country do you live in, and how healthy/toxic are the perceptions of masculinity and the relations between men and women?What shielded Meloni from that kind of criticism is the fact that, since she came to power, she has toned down a lot the far-right rethoric and is now trying to appeal to centrists. This chameleonic behavior makes it hard to assess how her gender played into the relative "leniency" people have towards her. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/23 03:49 PM |
| 3 | "A real man is not afraid of being a feminist."The real man rethoric is a staple of the rightwing lingo and it's soaked in fascism, militarism and other ideologies that are anything but leftwing. It's stunning that people use it while claiming to be progressive. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/23 04:32 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: What country do you live in, and how healthy/toxic are the perceptions of masculinity and the relations between men and women?This attitude stems from the classical infantilization of women and hyper-agentification of men. As such, it is soaked in traditionalism. If anything, the current right-wing government has reinforced it. Political issues such the one against violence on women are pushed by both the right and the left. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/23 04:25 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: What country do you live in, and how healthy/toxic are the perceptions of masculinity and the relations between men and women?Italy is a gerontocratic country with a large middle-class population for which gender issues are completely outside the radar. Huge "women-are-wonderful" effect at all levels of society. A lot of self-deprecation from guys. Actually "le donne hanno una marcia in più" ("women have something extra") is such a common and widespread phrase that's almost a meme at this point. The only feminist battle regularly on the political table, as far as I'm aware, is violence against women (which is of course… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/23 02:21 PM |
| 3 | … and 722 men not worth mentioning…It's also a matter of fucked up perspective. I mean...women being compared to children is bad. For sure. But male victims being completely ignored, despite being the majority, is of an order of magnitude worse! It's like the difference between a hiccup and an earthquake. To a sane mind it's obvious which one of the two genders gets the shortest stick from this prejudice. Yet the feminist mindset manages to dedicate all of the attention to the hiccup ("benevolent sexism"), pretending that's the m… | /r/MensRights | 31/10/23 02:49 PM |
| 1 | … and 722 men not worth mentioning…Again, ask around and that's likely the response you'll get...I'm not saying they are in good faith about it. I'm just saying that's the position they'll ostensibly hold. I don't have an archive of feminist sources to give at request. It's a claim based on subjective perception after face to face discussions. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/23 02:35 PM |
| 4 | … and 722 men not worth mentioning…Name what? Six feminists? I don't read feminist publications or subs. I usually talk to people in real life about this stuff. If you prompt them with the "women and children" topic, you'll see they'll reply with that stuff about "benevolent sexism" or something similar. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/23 11:16 AM |
| 34 | … and 722 men not worth mentioning…These article titles are always worth calling out, especially if they are from an authoritative source like Reuters. Even feminists are against the "women and children" rethoric. Obviously, to not admit it primarily harms men, they adopt the twisted framework of "benevolent sexism", thus making it yet another women's issue that men must help solve as "allies". I'd be very happy if, at some point, we saw a systematic social campaign against these sort of titles. Like #WeirdVictimCount or #BackToT… | /r/MensRights | 31/10/23 07:17 AM |
| 4 | What are your thoughts on gender roles?Roles should be nuked as soon as possibile. Feminism is making sure women's roles are. But there is no force in society pushing for men liberation from theirs. I live in a very progressive area in an advanced country, and men continue to be held up (by women and men across the political spectrum) to usual toxic standards of emotional strenght, reliability, disposibility and responsibility. The only thing feminism has done is to point out the problematic elements in traditional masculinity (the o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/23 06:40 AM |
| 3 | Why Robert Card (the maine shooter) is essential to know about and talk about.Men's mental health issues are a thing everywhere in the world. Only in the U.S. this leads to regular mass shootings. Why is that? "No way to prevent this", says only place in the world where this constantly happens. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/23 06:29 AM |
| 4 | Why do anti-feminist arguments usually fall flat? (and what are some that don't?)Other comments replied much better. I'll just add that "the Patriarchy did it", as a theory of gender discrimination against men, is losing credibility: as the (western) world gets more un-patriarchical than ever, men's issues remain completely unaddressed by the public eye. If they were solely stemming from the Patriarchy, we would see men liberation from their gender role going hand in hand with the growing influence of feminism. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/23 09:44 PM |
| 2 | What are the biggest issues in the Men’s Rights activism today?Male hyper-agency: assigning an high level of personal responsibility to a man for everything he does or suffers. And the other side of the coin, female hypo-agency: the bias that makes us see a woman as much less responsibile for what happens to her and she does. A concrete example: a friend of mine is obviously in an unfair relationship. Everyone can see that his girlfriend is using some emotional leverage to make him do what she wants. The most common observation among his friends? “He is so … | /r/MensRights | 26/10/23 01:21 PM |
| 2 | Is Misandry Real?I remember a woman I barely knew, commenting an instance of sexual misconduct, looking at me and casually saying: "men are disgusting". She then moved on to other topics, as if nothing happened. Misandry is not only real. It's considered cool and totally ok. Everytime someone comments on how girls/women are smarter, more perceptive or better than boys/men in anyway, that's misandry right there. And that's super common. I can tell you I hear these sorts of comments almost daily. And not even in a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/10/23 09:14 AM |
| 1 | What are your favorite movies?I like anti-war movies that don't over-indulge in gory intense battle scenes, and don't glamourize combat. Instead they make you see the larger context and the societal injustices behind war. My favorite one is "Path of Glory". In it, three simple soldiers are used as scapegoats to cover for the strategical error of an officier. Incredibly bleak movie. You can really perceive how these men's lives are nothing to the System, a machinery fueled by vanity and arrogance of those in power. I find par… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/10/23 08:42 AM |
| 37 | Hate This Argument About FOM RapeOne of the core tenets of left-wing thought is that we must not neglect minorities. Saying that male rape victims can be overlooked because they are few is exactly like saying that trans issues can be ignored because they involve such a small part of the population. Exactly the same principle applies. Nonetheless, this latter position would (rightly) infuriate most leftist people. The first is commonplace in the same political area. How to justify this incoherence if not with misandry? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/23 03:18 PM |
| 8 | How is this sub different from r/MensRights or r/RedPill?Unfortunately there's a lot of anger and frustration around these topics. I still prefer it here than redpill or mensrights because, despite the emotional tones, the level of discussion is still somewhat better. Also, the name itself makes it less likely to meet tradcons who just want to restore pure masculinity, which are quite common in those other subs. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/23 02:57 PM |
| 2 | "It's worse for women"Not from US (but we have D'oh in western EU!). You're right, this absolutely isn't true everywhere on earth. Sex is probably a primary quality-of-life predictor in taliban Afghanistan or in a country in war applying conscription. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/23 08:17 PM |
| 1 | "It's worse for women"Thank you for this pov. As I said, I don't judge this sentiment, because I know how difficult it can be for women. I just want to point out that there's a lot of suffering on the other side too. It's just less "advertised". The illusion that the other sex has it better can create feelings of unwarrented envy and resentment. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/23 08:12 PM |
| 24 | "It's worse for women"The most important factor is material wealth. And those with the most wealth want everyone else to get distracted by the other bullshit. 100% spot on. I'd even argue that the factor that globally fuels social injustice most of all is tax evasion. The big problem is that people admire the rich, seeing super-wealth as an aspiration, instead of lashing out against the distortions of the system that make luducrious wealth disparities even possible. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/23 02:46 PM |
| 16 | Why 'toxic masculinity' isn't a useful term for understanding all of the ways to be a manTheir inflexibility on the discussion of the "core terminology" is a demonstration of deep dullness and insecurity. If there is anything that is not fixed and evolves over time, it's terminology. It helps shape the way we conceptualize things, so it changes as new concepts and ideas are discussed. To dismiss the discussion of terminology is a clear sign of profound fragility and fear of losing grip on the narrative. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/10/23 10:47 AM |
| 17 | Another post about cognitive dissonance. And do you guys think we can have a "leftwingmaleadvocates can help women too" moment?Right now, men are expected to support women's liberation from their gender's role until, eventually, somehow, they'll also be free from theirs. Which 1) is absolutely not guaranteed to happen and 2) implies an unacceptable lack of urgency. Having feminism for women and male advocacy for men is far from ideal. Men and women don't live on different planets. They share every aspect of their life and should be able to coordinate for the common good. But it's much better than the current state, in w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/10/23 09:27 AM |
| 54 | Isn't this sexism against men?This is THE men's issue as far as I'm concerned. Male-only obligatory participation in wars is the most explicit sexist injustice in the modern world. It's a law-mandated admission that, in case of need, one (and only one) of the sexes must sacrifice everything to the community, while the other sex retains complete freedom and self-determination. Imagine if the state mandated by law women to be impregnated, bear and rise children, punishing harshly those who refused. Sounds distopic and horrible… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/23 10:10 PM |
| 2 | What is "the patriarchy"?I'm not a feminist and I don't use the term "Patriarchy". But, as a man, it's hard to understand the extent to which the world may look male-centric to a woman. Try to put yourself in this hypotetical scenario: You are born as a man. Your first name is chosen by both your parents. But your family name is automatically your mothers'. You go through childhood and learn about the world. You discover that almost all the great humans who ever lived were women. Books are full of queens, empresses, fem… | /r/MensRights | 04/10/23 04:30 PM |
| 11 | Battle-aged men and boys are often the first targets during genocide. There is an academic debate about whether it should be recognized as a form of gendercide.> Men and boys are selectively and methodically killed > A debate about wether it should be considered gendercide Would such debate be even thinkable if the victims were of the opposite gender? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/23 03:27 PM |
| 2 | I Hate This Argument On FOM ViolenceOk. But my point is: even if FoM violence cases were a minority, like most people believe, why is that a proper reason to ignore them? Minority cases still matter (at least according to a progressive worldview...) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/23 04:00 PM |
| 4 | HeforShe campaignThe name itself gets on my nerves. "He for she". Men already make their wives, girlfriends and mothers the center of their world. That's the reason why they neglect their own well being and die earlier, among other things. The world these people push for is exactly more of the same of what we already have. | /r/MensRights | 22/09/23 05:12 PM |
| 1 | I Hate This Argument On FOM ViolenceMoF happens more often. FoM happens less often. Therefore, victims of FoM violence are a minority. As leftists, isn't it one of our main concerns that we should pay attention to the minorities, and not only focus on the majorities? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/09/23 09:15 AM |
| 14 | I (27, MtF) am doing a video about MRAs and males advocate and I needRegarding death in the workplace (but it could be any subject), a point of concern for many advocates of men's issues is the lack not of awareness, but of care. The basic assumption is that men's lives are perceived as less valuable, or more disposable, than women's lives. Therefore, because of this bias, a pressing issue such as death in the workplace is not given the attention it deserves and does not find its way into the public debate. Somehow, in the back of our minds, we have the preconcep… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/09/23 11:10 AM |
| 2 | Sensitive Cis Man has No Solid Ground in SocietyThank you for sharing your experience. I can relate to some of the things you wrote. I was extremely sensitive as a boy. This side of my character created a lot of embarrassment and made me an easy target for bullying. My solution to the problem was to adopt a stoic and rational persona, and sublimate my emotional world through art and humor. Consuming and making art (music and film in particular) has given me a safe way to give vent to some of my emotionality in a way that is not only acceptabl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/23 09:55 AM |
| 7 | Rethinking Benevolent Sexism - Aporia MagazineIn general, feminism tends very much to repurpose Marxist concepts by replacing class struggle with sex struggle. Which does not work at all, because the relationship between men and women looks nothing like the relationship between capitalists and proletarians. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/23 09:25 AM |
| 16 | Juste a quick reflection upon the "Male Power Fantasy"I distinctly remember being annoyed at the damsel's role in many of these stories, thinking of it as "the boring part" This 100%. As a little boy, being attractive to girls is completely out of your horizon. None of us cared about the romantic scenes in cartoons. I think, under a certain age, the "male power fantasy" involves the construction of your own identity in a hierarchical relationship with others. I was concerned about what other boys thought of me. I wanted validation and to be good en… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/09/23 02:54 PM |
| 18 | Rethinking Benevolent Sexism - Aporia MagazineThe discourse on gender equality is so female-centric that people had to invent “benevolent sexism” to criticize a cultural norm that clearly favors women and harms men. What is sexist is expecting a guy to neglect himself in favor of a woman just because of the cultural expectations imposed on his gender. I don't deny there is also a component of objectification towards women in that, but I would say that it makes no sense to emphasize it that much since many women, as the data shows, like to r… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/09/23 03:18 PM |
| 3 | Rant about economic immigration and rampant misandryInsane nonsense. In Europe we have been debating immigration and racism since the 1990s and earlier. There are reactionaries and progressives as there are all over the world. Remember that r/europe and Europe are two different things. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/09/23 07:20 AM |
| 128 | R/menslib feels like so weirdSometimes you look in the comments and 70% of them read "this comment has been removed by a moderator". It's ridiculous. You cannot really dig into these topics if you limit so much the scope of acceptable discussion. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/23 03:02 PM |
| 3 | Masculism.wikiExtremely well done and valuable. Thank you so much! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/23 10:56 AM |
| 2 | Folk feminism or vulgar feminismThe sad truth that feminism, as a field of study, is bound to attract people who are in for the political fight. Political activists are generally not very open-minded and curious. The understanding, from their point of view, is already done. They want to prevail, not to understand. You can describe an "ideal" feminism wich is totally separate from its "folk" or "vulgar" incarnation. But the reality is that, even in it aseptic academic form, feminist theory exists to serve a political struggle, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/23 08:46 AM |
| 4 | Sabine Hossenfelder, probably the most famous female science communicator makes a video about the mental health crisis - teenage girls most affected, boys not mentionedSomeone pointed out in a comment that a broader analysis is needed, and not only focused on young girls. She hearted that comment. I think she simply reported the stats she found, which clearly show that young girls are more likely to report mental health issues. I don't think there's any malice on her side. Just a bit of superficiality in not asking herself what that "report" implies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/23 08:30 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone else experience 'emotional' misogyny and have tips on how to combat it?I'd recommend finding as much time as possible to deepy listen to yourself to understand where these feelings come from. It could be through psychoterapy, meditation or writing a personal journal. In my case, this "emotional misoginy" stemmed from some questionable relationships with my female family members during childhood. They screwed with my conceptualization growing up, and made me internally associate femininity with negative traits (bullying attitude, narcissism, vanity...). Once you've … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/23 07:45 AM |
| 3 | Follow-up: Last week I marched in Montreal's PRIDE parade with a sign saying "Men just need our voices heard"Thank you for what you did. It's so important to get out of the digital bubbles. You showed that this is not just online complaining; that some care enough to put in real effort. I hope actions like yours are the early signs of left-wing male advocacy picking up momentum. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/23 01:51 PM |
| 1 | Pluralism and its importance in Men's Rights advocacyMy sense is that "All that I want is a seat at the table" will never be received as an acceptable request if you are part of a demographics which is considered to be historically over-represented. Men don't get to build their own version of feminism because, according to the most broad viewpoint, they are already in a privileged position. Society, we are told, is already shaped in our likeness. Therefore our claim to want to create a liberation movement is seen as comically misguided (at best), … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/08/23 03:26 PM |
| 25 | Just a general gripe.As usual men's issues are portrayed as a villany. Something they should be ashamed of. Of course their suffering must be rooted in narcissism or egotism. I'm sure this will do real good in encourging these men to come forward about their struggles instead of bottling up | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/08/23 08:15 AM |
| 5 | Are there other men who feel the way I do?All I get from the current zeitgeist is negativity, humiliation and repression towards what I am. This gives me an almost physical sense of dread. And the worst part of it is that I cannot express it, because I'm a non-confrontational person, and talking about these topics is guaranteed to attract hate and controversy towards you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/08/23 06:48 AM |
| 5 | young boys swinging to the right. let’s talk about it.Leftist values used to be: - sense against unhinged emotions - opinons supported by data against irrational thinking / prejudices The right is now attractive to young people because it came to embody those same values. They don't really practice them. But they now present themselves as the rational front against the screeching and identity-obsessed left. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/23 04:14 PM |
| 18 | (question) Did men build this system that men suffer in it thousands of years ago?Patriarchical societies, in my opinion came to be because of: a) The environmental pressure and constant under-population threat humans had to deal with. b) The prevalence of war for the majority of human history. Point a) makes women more precious than men, because of how human reproduction works (pregnancy is a bottleneck in the process of generating new people). Under the threat of under-population, you wanted to limit women's and children's mortality as much as possbile (that's where "women … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/23 09:06 AM |
| 3 | Dangerous jobs-why male dominated?I'm not sure I understand the way you present this problem. From your post, it looks like you wish for the same amount of men and women to die on the job, just to even out the field. Before considering gender imbalances, I think it's important to remember that dangerous jobs don't need to be dangerous. Almost all deaths on the workplace are due to leniency on safety precautions and very likely preventable. This just to say that, as leftwing people, we shouldn't just accept as a fact of life that… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 10:56 AM |
| 1 | We are Left Wing Male Advocates not Left Wing Feminism Hate.Agree 100%. From outside, male advocacy is seen as a joke. We are perceived as envious and fueled by resentment. I am critical of feminism myself. But making anti-feminism the whole point of this sub is stupid and it greatly undermines our image and, as a consequence, our possibilities of ever escaping the demonization by the mainstream. It's not that feminism doesn't deserve to be criticized. It's that over-focusing on that will just hinder male advocacy's actual goals. It's not a moral issue. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/23 10:12 AM |
| 1 | The common feminist comeback for "why don't feminists advocate for more women in hard labor jobs" is very weak and flawed.I'm sorry to play devil's advocate. I don't consider myself a feminist. But I think there is a better comeback to that argument. The goal of feminists is not to achieve 50% representation in all jobs. Their goal is for women to have the same economic power as men. Currently, globally and on average, men earn more than women. Feminists call for bringing women's income to the same level as men's. That is why you read "we want more women in technology" and not "we want more women in carbon mines.".… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/23 02:40 PM |
| 1 | Is The Patriarchy Real?We continue looking at history the XIX century way. We still think that the purpose of our life is to be famous and remembered by posterity. If you look at history that way, you may think that history was a Patriarchy. That men were privileged. Just because most statues you see around in our cities are of men. But it should be obvious that the purpose of life is happiness. Sadly we cannot make a history of happiness. We cannot do a survey in ancient rome to ask people if they where happy or not.… | /r/MensRights | 20/07/23 07:56 AM |
| 2 | He didn’t venerate her enough prior to having consensual sex. So she implied assault and shamed him in the media.One big issue is that many women seem to derive pleasure from being given what they want without having to express their desire. They want men to guess what's on their mind. Because speaking, somehow, diminishes the romanticism and pleasure. This is a very toxic behavior. It puts a strain on many relationships. But it's also extremely dangerous during sexual encounters, especially between strangers. Because when a man (not being a mind-reader) doesn't meet the woman's expectations, she can easil… | /r/MensRights | 20/07/23 07:24 AM |
| 12 | "Are Men Obsolete" by Hanna Rosin"As the manufacturing economy gets replaced by a service and information economy, men are failing to adjust or get the skill they need to succeed." I'd like to point out how utterly stupid this argument is, as a proof that "men are obsolete". Services and information do not sustain any economy in the world. We still 100% rely on manufacturing. We simply moved it away from our eyes to cheap third word countries, where the workers (many of which, surprise surprise, are men) are underpaid and can d… | /r/MensRights | 10/07/23 04:15 PM |
| 1 | It's time! #thedraftThen the only way forward is make people understand the value of their freedom, so that they'll defend it when the moment comes. When a state forces its citizens to fight until death, they're no longer citizens, but slaves. There's no way you can defend freedom by enslaving people. | /r/MensRights | 26/06/23 03:58 PM |
| 3 | Why are most men (and their issues) invisible to women?Because everyone takes care of their own. We all fight for our causes, only to the extent that our struggles do not harm ourselves. A simple example: wealthy liberals are in favor of affordable housing; yet they are overwhelmingly opposed to the construction of such housing in their own neighborhoods. A comparable example: feminists advocate for equality. Yet they are happy to embrace traditional gender roles when these don't harm them. The fact that men might suffer because of this is simply ou… | /r/MensRights | 26/06/23 12:58 PM |
| 2 | It's time! #thedraftIf a community needs to force its members to fight for it, maybe that community was not worth saving in the first place. | /r/MensRights | 26/06/23 12:49 PM |
| 1 | It's time! #thedraftThe Draft literally means NOT having freedom over your own life and body. In case of a war, if you are drafted, you are no more than a slave. | /r/MensRights | 26/06/23 12:47 PM |
| 9 | NASA Awards $5 Million to Women’s Colleges "Tackling STEM Gender Gap"I can't wait for institutions to start closing the gender gap in construction, mining, oil and gas, sewers maintenance and other high risk jobs which take away thousands of lives each year. Should happen anytime now, since everyone is so keen on equality... | /r/MensRights | 11/06/23 03:58 PM |
| 7 | I'm still a FeministReally, how one defines oneself does not matter, as long as one remains open to dialogue and, above all, pursues the achievement of justice for both sexes. The reason why many here are skeptical of feminism, and consequently of anyone who calls themselves a feminist, is that feminism has been blatantly adopted as one of the signature ideologies of progressivism worldwide. Feminism is one of the forces driving UN's resolutions. Amnesty International has among its priorities the pursuit of justice… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/06/23 08:34 PM |
| 6 | "Only women, children, and dogs are loved unconditionally. A man is only loved under the condition that he provide something"Love is what makes life bearable. It's how humans get by in the world and it's really the purpose of life in a sense. The fact that men aren't considered worthy of it, unless they develop some skills and provide something valuable, is really disheartening. No wonder male suicide rate is several times higher than female's. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/23 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Panopticon of iffinessSome people manage to speak about men's and boys' issues even in some left-leaning circles. Richard Reeves is a big one recently. It's a risky business. You have to be hyper-aware of what you say. You cannot risk to sound disrespectful or dismissive of other people's concerns (while others will be explicitely disespectful and dismissive towards you all the time). I have the luck not to have a public position or to work in a very corporate environment. So I get to express myself freely most of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/23 05:17 AM |
| 1 | How to dismiss the argument that we should focus on women's issues before tackling men's onesI've always thought that feminism is just the dumb cousin of communism. It applies similar language and concepts to sex instead that on social class. And that's why corporate world loves feminism: it allows people to rebel against power imbalances without actually altering the status quo. It gives them the illusion to be fighting against oppressors, while avoiding the danger of aknowledging social classes and the pharaonic level of wealth disparity in our world. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/23 04:52 AM |
| 18 | Question for the peeps in this sub: Do you want the bonding nature of men to change for the better or should we respect the way most men socialize, but encourage more “bromance” culture?I know that the notion: "men bond through experience, women bond through small-talk" is commonly accepted. But I still have problems with it, since it doesn't match my experience at all. I love games and social activities. But to me they're a gateway to friendship, not the thing in itself. To me small-talk is the key component of any healthy friendship regardless of gender. And male small-talk is something we are sadly losing, because of taboos and rigidities our current culture is imposing to u… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/23 01:40 PM |
| 2 | What are the qualities of a true man?We've had enough of this bullshit. "True men don't cry, true men are strong, true men don't complain, true men eat meat, true men drink beer, true men provide for their family, true men work hard, true men are competitive, true men are brave, true men aren't scared to fight..." ...or the new "positive" rules: "true men are sensitive, true men are supporting, true men are respectful, true men are caring..." For fuck's sake, let's knock it off. | /r/MensRights | 19/05/23 03:24 PM |
| 6 | The most popular explanation for the gender pay gap is wrong | Richard Reeves | Big ThinkThis. I hate how sometimes the subtext of this discussion is that men being at work all the time and not contributing more to the childcare is a privilege. Wtf...I would love to dedicate myself more to my kids and let my wife do more of the breadwinning. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/05/23 08:01 AM |
| 20 | Today I decided to have a little read up about what the gender pay gap is (or isn’t) meant to be and I’m absolutely astonished.Because it is the only rock climbing gym in my area, and I don't want to give up one of my hobbies just because the owners are idiots. As to why: it's a mystery. Also because I see no disproportion between men and women doing it (in fact, to be honest, I think there are slightly more women). | /r/MensRights | 18/05/23 12:36 PM |
| 67 | Today I decided to have a little read up about what the gender pay gap is (or isn’t) meant to be and I’m absolutely astonished.The gender pay gap is extremely easy to debunk. And yet it's the very first thing anyone mentions when citing an example of today's gender disparities. Silly example: I was at the gym the other day, discussing with a friend about the cost of membership. She tells me how much she paid, then laughingly points out that for men the cost is almost double! I get irritated and she, in response, says to me: "well, you can call it an injustice when we stop being paid less than you at work". And she's not… | /r/MensRights | 18/05/23 10:36 AM |
| 23 | Today I decided to have a little read up about what the gender pay gap is (or isn’t) meant to be and I’m absolutely astonished.They are desperate to find injustices, and if they can't find real ones they make them up. The alternative would be to come to terms with their own uselessness. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/23 10:25 AM |
| 2 | How can we end potential anti-male bias in international humanitarian organizations?By destroying the hyper-agency bias. If you can make people realize that the vast majority of adult men don't deserve what happens to them, they have no power against the events, that their issues are not of their own making, and that they just as vulnerable as women and children to modern weaponry, then they'll see there's no reason to exclude them from the focus of these sorts of resolutions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/23 03:41 PM |
| 3 | How to argue against the "(cishet) men are inherently more dangerous" rhetoric?I would counter-argue that the overwhelming majority of men are more likely to protect you than to attack you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/05/23 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Self-sacrifice as a masculine virtueThanks for the reply! I don't doubt there are adaptive and biological reasons why men's lives are more "expendables". It totally makes sense from a reproductive standpoint. What I'm questioning is the cultural aspect of it: is it right to integrate this natural tendency into our culture and teach to our boys that it's the right behavior, for them, as men, to sacrifice themselves in a given context? Regarding women we have successfuly separated their biological reproductive function to their role… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/05/23 08:23 AM |
| 1 | Self-sacrifice as a masculine virtueI don't really see how self-sacrifice is a uniquely masculine virtue. Aren't mothers paradigmatically self-sacrificing? If you mean that both men and women sacrifice themselves for others in some instances, then sure. But are both forms of self-sacrifice treated the same way? Do you see many people celebrating and prescribing self-sacrifice as a "good feminine virtue" nowadays? I think that even in right-wing circles such a notion would be considered retrograde. Menwhile, concerning boys and men… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/23 01:54 PM |
| 3 | Self-sacrifice as a masculine virtueThank you for this clarification. What you point at is why that part of the dabate sounded so weird to me. Why do we even need to define "good" and "bad" features of masculinity? We would probably consider that sexist if we were talking about femininity... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/23 10:52 AM |
| 15 | What are the examples of misandry, male disposability & common male tropes in fiction?I recently saw Babylon, and I noticed there were two instances of "comedic deaths": The extra pierced by a spear during the war scene and the sound engineer who dies from heat. Both made the whole theater (me included) laugh. Both were work related accidents caused by absurdly unsafe work environments. And guess the sex of the victims... Now that I think of it, my impression is that the characters whose death is used for comedic effect tend to be overwhelmingly male. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/04/23 03:03 PM |
| 14 | Vast numbers of men and women think mens’ rights are under threat…so why does no one speak out?That sub is one of the worst places for a sane confrontation about these topics. Users replying there are not only feminists: they are feminists who feel expert and confident enough to address questions about feminism. As if they can speak for the whole movement. One shouldn't expect balanced responses from such a crowd. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/04/23 10:35 AM |
| 1 | Does this sub believe that "traditional" masculinity and/or gender roles should be promoted/encouraged?Drinking beer, disliking musicals, not wearing makeup/jewels, acting tough, liking sports...those are all superficial traits. Any liberal will tell you that you can adopt them or not, it's up to you. And I agree. But "traditional masculinity" goes much deeper than that. What it really entails becomes obvious during crisis. During catastrophes, wars. At that point it doesn't matter who do you like to sleep with and what you wear. If you are a man you are supposed to protect, i.e. willingly put yo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/23 01:33 PM |
| 19 | [Essay] Progressives/feminists are bad at talking about men’s issuesThere's an higher-order process going on here: a push for anyone to present the most immediate, simple, stupid version of themselves. I'm not sure why that is. But at this point, people are so used to present themselves that way, that I suspect they are starting being that way. Progressive and conservative people, throughout the world, are "flanderizing": abandoning all nuances and complexities to morph into caricatures. Left-leaning people, in particular, are schooled just enough to feel confid… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/02/23 04:28 PM |
| 1 | How concerned are you that primarily men will be expected to fight in the next World War?Being modern weaponry independent from physical strenght, there are literally 0 reasons to not extend military conscription to young women. The fact that only young males are still expected to fight until death, should the need arise, is uncanny and grotesque. We spend a lot of efforts teaching the new generations that boys and girls are no different in terms of rights. That they shouldn't expect nor tolerate any difference in treatment from society. How can we possibly, then, justify male-only … | /r/MensRights | 20/02/23 12:02 PM |
| 5 | Helping you understand positive masculinity and toxic masculinityThis is so dumb. Why are we associating any of these positive behaviors with masculinity at all? Take for example: Using your physical strength to help someone... Shouldn't we call it "positive traits of strong people"? Shouldn't physically strong and competent women be held to the same expectation? Shouldn't we release weak/untrained men from the pressure to throw themselves into fire just to show others they are heroes? Why link this, or any behavioral expectation, positive or negative, to sex… | /r/MensRights | 17/02/23 05:32 PM |
| 11 | When Did You Become Aware?I've always been an advocate for gender equality and used to call myself a feminist. Over the years I started noticing some disturbing patterns around the topic, both irl and online. Namely the tendency of some people instrumentally applying the notion of "equality" to narrow (and usually advantageous) goals while, at the same time, showing no desire to give up traditional gender roles in any area outside of that scope. I approached the "Menrights" community, but I was perplexed with the simplif… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/23 08:07 AM |
| 3 | What do you guys think of “Positive Masculinity”?At some point we collectively decided that women deserve the right to radical freedom and self-determination. Meanwhile, with men it's a constant struggle on "how to behave properly". What about our tendencies is "toxic", what is "hegemonic", what is "positive", what is "healthy", etc... Either both sexes are free from societal expectations or neither is. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/23 01:53 PM |
| 9 | If there was a "Male Advocate" category of films, what films do you think are in the list?At the risk of being obnoxious: I disagree with most of the examples mentioned in this thread. The issues portrayed by these movies are never presented as the result of systemic gender inequality. Which would be the only way, in my opinion, to qualify them as a "male advocate" films. Take war movies for example. You see men getting conscripted and massacred by the thousands in the battlefields. But only an alien would comment: "it's so unfair that all those people are male". That would be ridicu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/22 05:20 PM |
| 7 | The over the top love and support victims receive from domestic violence shelters leads to more false accusationsYou cannot go wrong if you focus on positive emotions (support, care and compassion for the accuser) and avoid negative ones (hate and mobbing against the accused). If the accuse turns out to be true, then you helped a victim, and the perpetrator will be punished by the justice system. If the accuse turns out to be false, then you "wasted" support on a false accuser, who hopefully will be punished, but you didn't harm an innocent person. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/12/22 12:55 PM |
| 10 | The relationship between some "feminists" and "allies" looks an awful lot like the relationship between and abuser and their victim.I agree 100%. You can fight for someone else's cause and that's ok! But when it comes to gender issues I think it's unhealthy for anyone to pretend they are just an ally, without a direct interest in the matter | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/22 07:23 PM |
| 35 | The relationship between some "feminists" and "allies" looks an awful lot like the relationship between and abuser and their victim.It's even worse than that. It means: "you are fighting for someone else's cause, from which you have nothing to gain". Implication: men have nothing to gain for themselves from gender equality, being already in the optimal position. Maybe I read too much into it, but I find it subtly manipulatory. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/22 05:47 PM |
| 103 | The relationship between some "feminists" and "allies" looks an awful lot like the relationship between and abuser and their victim.I very much dislike the term "ally". No, I'm not your ally. I am into this because I have skin in the game too. I want women's issues to be solved because they are first and foremost society's issues. Women are not a separate entity. Men and women literally share every aspect of their lives, and should be able to coordinate for the common good. Also, one gender issues cannot be disentangled from the other's | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/22 12:56 PM |
| 1 | I personally feel like the conversation around men's issues is stuck in a groovein my experience most women have experience either straight up manipulating, or at least leading around us dumb men by the nose I don't think it's true to be honest. This behaviour pertains to only a fraction of women having the means (usually in terms of physical attractiveness) to influence men. Most women are not in that position and/or are not that unscupulous. Some women will brag about "leading around dumb men by the nose", but I think it's mostly wishful thinking. Men are not as clueless … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/22 11:22 AM |
| 3 | I personally feel like the conversation around men's issues is stuck in a grooveThis is a great comment. Hyper/hypo agency is really at the core to most of this stuff. Without getting rid of this enormous bias the conversation will not move forward. Just a honest question: why the focus on manipulation? Both men and women can be manipulative. I don't see how asking women "Have you ever manipulated a man?" could create awareness around the agency bias. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/11/22 08:50 AM |
| 4 | What exactly is society's hesitation in speaking of men as having inherent worth?A strange sense of cringe prevents people from focusing on men's issues as "THE MAIN THING". They are always treated as a footnote or, as you say, as something related to some other issue. To make a real life example: the other day I was discussing the topic of Paternity Leave with a friend. At some point, I managed to sneak in the observation that "it would be good for fathers too, helping them form a stronger bond with their kids". Because up until that moment we had only commented on it as a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/22 07:12 PM |
| 2 | LWMA Loungehttps://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/dr-rob-whitley-mr-jean-francois-claude-mens-mental-health/id1505402925?i=1000559290580 I strongly recommend to everyone this podcast episode. Available also on Spotify and on other major platforms. A sensible discussion on the topic of men's mental health done by professionals. They manage to avoid the usual "Menslib" trap of blaming men for their own problem; instead they bring larger systemic issues into the discussion and explicitely criticize terms like … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/11/22 02:40 PM |
| 18 | BTS is doing their military service. Good opportunity to highlight conscription to the world, and feminist inaction.I don't think feminist silence in the face of discrimination against men will ever cause any buzz at all. Feminism is understanded by everyone as a movement aimed at protecting the interests of women and girls. It strives for equality in the sense of getting women to enjoy the same benefits and rights of men (mainly regarding earning power and the burden of bearing and raising children). Feminism will never in a million years fight against the interest of women. That would be perceived as nonsen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/10/22 08:31 AM |
| 3 | "Women will save democracy."Do people forget women in positions of power can be terrible too and that there's many women who are right-wing? A baffling response I heard multiple times is: those women got there by behaving like men, otherwise they wouldn't succeed in a male-dominated environment. Which implies that only honest and competent women are really representative of how the world would be like if women were in charge. Which is hair-raising idiocy. How can you support the hypotesis "women make better leaders then me… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/22 10:46 AM |
| 1 | What do you think feminist gets right?Not even close. Those guys are exactly the type I dislike. Head-up-their-asses feminists, completely detached from reality. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/22 09:15 AM |
| 0 | What do you think feminist gets right?Coming from a convinced MRA, in practice and globally speaking, feminism gets almost everything right! Women's freedom to self-determination is severely limited in many parts of the world, due to the "cancerization" of traditional norms. Even in the first-world countries, where women have more freedom than ever, they still have to overcome society's pressing expectations related to Motherhood. And yes, there are some excesses and fanaticisms in specific bubbles (e.g. US colleges/corporate HR). B… | /r/MensRights | 10/10/22 10:57 AM |
| 47 | What do you think feminist gets right?However, instead of directing their efforts towards criticisms of and activism against capitalism, nationalism, patriarchy, and other oppressive systems that are the cause of those issues abstract concepts which we believe are the underlying causes of all the world's problems, but in reality are not even fully defined or understood, and are therefore virtually impossible to directly tackle for a group of activists they simply blame women and feminism for their problems the very real group of peo… | /r/MensRights | 06/10/22 08:24 AM |
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