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"Some" is a vague term. It could mean 99% or it could mean 1%. The vast majority of women have height preferences. I don't understand what's wrong with a woman having a preference though? I didn't say there was. But judging by how many women on Reddit downplay it, it seems as if they think there's something wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 07:25 AM
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How is it not dysgenic to effectively punish men for having standards One of the most common misconceptions about natural selection is that it necessarily produces outcomes that are good for the success of the species(which is itself a nebulous concept). That's not true, natural selection simply selects for the genes that are the most successful at reproducing. This Wikipedia article is a good primer, and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins also wrote a book about this topic called The Selfis…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 07:05 AM
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Holy shit touch grass LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 04:45 AM
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I think we both know you already decided to make your mind up before you posted and only was looking for people to agree with you. So far all my critics have offered are personal anecdotes. The fantasy of being tall I am tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 02:31 AM
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They are men The majority of English speakers use the word "men" to refer to adults male humans, and therefore wouldn't consider them men. They have more game than most cis dudes I know. If they're not disclosing their trans identity then it's not representative. Actually, even if they did disclose it, anecdotes are still not a good representation of men's experiences as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 02:03 AM
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Do you seriously expect me to believe that the dating experiences of FtMs are representative of the dating experiences of men? No way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 01:38 AM
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but on a deep level biological and psychological level, everyone is more alike than they think they are. ^ ^ ^ ^
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:45 AM
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If you want women to give more nice guys a chance No. Go for who you want. I just don't want to hear you bitch when you go for assholes and they(big shock) act like assholes. Or for guys out of your league looks-wise that would never be exclusive with you, because they have far better options. With freedom comes responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:21 AM
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If women were so prompt to "monkey branch", why would they be so head over heels for becoming a wife. Because they don't have a better option at the moment and divorce is relatively straightforward if a better option comes along? And it is also known that men more often cheat than not, especially after a few years into married life have passed. Really? You're claiming that most husbands cheat? Do you have any evidence? I find it hard to conciliate that, any girl next-door I've chosen to marry is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:14 AM
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Men here tell women to "choose better" "Better" as in "a man who treats you better", it's not referring to looks. This is usually said in response to women who complain about male partners not treating them well in some way. There seems to be this expectation that every woman should be a "Sexual Sleeping Beauty", with NO interest in sex whatsoever, until she meets YOU, and then she should suddenly turn into a bedroom tiger. Being interested in sex doesn't mean that you need to rack up a body cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:41 PM
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AKA lying by omission. "Lying by omission" is when you only tell part of the truth to mislead the other party. Not saying anything is not "lying by omission". Most men who feel the need to hide their intentions will lie about them when asked Not volunteering information is not "hiding" anything. If they don't ask then they're cool with whatever's going on between you two, at least for now. So there's no need to bring it up. If women want exclusivity then they can ask for it. Women are attracted …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 09:27 PM
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I did find this article about OLD data and men’s decided preference for younger women - especially as the men themselves get older. For all ages of men the median age limit cap they set is still higher than their own age. It's nowhere near as brutal as women's height filter for men. Why are you bringing this up anyways? This post was about women's height preferences, not men's age preferences. Do women always have to go "but what about the men's preferences"? Does it always have to be about you?…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:55 PM
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You'd be wrong. How would you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:44 PM
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Why is it meaningless?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:42 PM
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How do you figure that? People tend to know other people who are like themselves, similar socioeconomic status, race, geographic region, etc. As opposed to the data gathered from online dating profiles(link 1) and speed dating experiments(link 2) which include all kinds of people from all walks of life. And this doesn't address the other issues with basing your worldview from asking acquaintances. For one the sample size is smaller. Also, your acquaintances have a strong incentive to be dishones…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:40 PM
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You’re basing your conclusion off a Small N study and dating apps???? Ask most women in your life and social circle Absolute smoothbrain moment. Your username is fitting. You say these studies have too low of a sample size and go on tell me to ask an even smaller sample size? A sample that isn't randomly selected and has more incentive to lie about their preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:31 PM
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I don't see why it's difficult to be honest with what you want. If anything, it's even harder to keep up a lie. Who said anything about lying? It's just not something you need to disclose unless you're asked directly. If he has to lie or hide his intentions to get pussy then I'm assuming he's not getting laid as much as he wants to, or else why would he be doing it Lots of guys don't disclose their intentions right off the bat. And whether he's getting laid as much as he wants, he is getting wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:27 PM
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I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth. All I'm saying is that they should know the truth which is that height matters a lot to women, instead of being gaslit day in day out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:21 AM
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That's not very specific. What ages are they filtering out? How does that compare to their own age?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:20 AM
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Many people on PPD, especially women, downplay how much women value height in their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:41 AM
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The only stats I know are that men of all ages tend to say that women are most attractive in their early 20s. Are they filtering out older women the same way that women are filtering out short men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:40 AM
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Sounds more like you're solipsistic and can't understand the concepts of empathy and sympathy. Well, whatever helps you sleep at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:40 AM
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Did I say that there's anything wrong with women's height preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:37 AM
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If she stops seeing you because you only want something casual then why would you want her in the first place, find someone who can give you what you want. That's easier said than done. If a guy's getting laid and enjoying her company then isn't he already getting what he wants? You don't need to program a girl to put effort in a relationship I don't think women will appreciate your love as much if you shower them with it, or your commitment if you give it away so easily. Women expect to be "woo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:36 AM
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And men on dating apps (and in person) often filter women based on age. Do you have statistics indicating how common this is, and what age they are filtering out in relation to their own? I wouldn't find it strange for a 30 year old man to filter out women over 35, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:25 AM
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I'm a lot closer to Christina Hoff Sommers and Cathy Young Most self-identified feminists who know those two are don't like them. They're more similar to female MRAs than they are to most feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:23 AM
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It's important to differentiate between a woman who merely seeks a "traditional man" as a partner, and a woman who expects all men to be "traditional".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:21 AM
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So why then do men still complain that women aren't traditional? My grievances with feminists have nothing to do with that. I don't like them because: They have double standards, they espouse dated, traditionalist, ideas when it suits their agenda("it's worse for men to hit women", "sexual assault is overwhelmingly male on female", "men owe us commitment"). They advance policies that privilege women and girls (sex-based affirmative action, efforts to reduce criminal punishment specifically for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:16 AM
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Apples and oranges buddy. Puppies are way cuter than most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:54 AM
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don't feeling love A woman's romantic love is a fickle thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:48 AM
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Maybe you don't want a relationship and straight up saying that upfront(like an autist) would make her stop seeing you. Or maybe you do want a relationship and making her work for it will make her value it more. Or hell, maybe you haven't decided yet if you want a relationship and want to keep your options open. This one makes the most sense to me. I think most guys are open to relationships but vetting before you decide is a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:43 AM
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No, I think often times women marry men they don't find particularly attractive for their money, dependability, and/or caregiving skills. In other words, the "safe" option that she can raise a family with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:36 AM
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Who says they are what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:33 AM
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That's because the women on there aren't reflective of the women who don't want to use dating apps https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_et_al_Disintermediating_Friends.pdf 40% of existing couples surveyed met through a dating app, for newer couples that figure is probably even higher. And for less serious relationships it's probably wayyyyy more common to meet through dating apps. The internet and apps aren't a perfect reflection of people who chose to remain in the real world. This is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 05:29 AM
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But you said you just proved scientifically it’s our preference Correct. meaning it’s out of our hands Correct. That doesn't necessarily mean it's an innate preference caused by natural selection. It could be due to influence from culture. That’s not what they say here, are they lying? I don't know. There's a lot of men here, have you surveyed them? How many feel that way? And even if you did survey them, would men on some fringe gender relations debate community be representative of men as a wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 05:24 AM
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and most of that 98% outside arranged or sugar relationships begins with genuine physical attraction Can you read people's minds?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 05:19 AM
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I don't think you read the post. Women are filtering a lot of men just because they are "too short".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:51 AM
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Women prefer tall men? Women strongly prefer tall men and dislike short men. besides women aren’t picking men like me I'm rather tall, I just have sympathy for my short bros. Many are pointing out your research is weak and does not correlate to what you’re saying. The only person criticizing the actual research is that Lift_And_Lurk guy, and all he did was bring up some speculation on the part of the authors It would be a statistical impossibility for all women to only date men over 6ft When did…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:03 AM
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Dude you can’t have it both ways if most women prefer tall men we clearly have a drive to do so that’s out of our power. Not all behaviors and preferences can be attributed to natural selection. Did you miss the 87 post about youth being the most important thing to men? Men do prefer younger women but that doesn't mean they filter out older women the same way women filter our short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:55 AM
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however there have been an overwhelming amount of searches In absolute terms maybe, but as a proportion of all pornography it's still a small minority. However I do think we have changed. Not that much since the Neolithic Revolution(around 10 000 BC when agriculture replaced foraging). Natural selection is a very slow process, especially for humans since we take a very long time to reach sexual maturity. between saying someone is objectively attractive Beauty and attractiveness are subjective. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:34 AM
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Is that not by evolutionary design? I have no idea, it's possible but I personally wouldn't attribute it to natural selection with a high degree of confidence. it’s brutal and heavily reliant on looks It is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:01 AM
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Another post that boils down to: the above average women I see online who I want sexual access to only want tall handsome men that they are able to get and I’m mad about it. No, it boils down to "peer reviewed studies sampling all kinds of women demonstrate that women have a strong preference for taller men". Often times it’s not the only thing holding said men back. The research says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:57 AM
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So these short dudes ain’t even attractive?! Do you not know what "extremely good looking" means?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:54 AM
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Tell that to the women filtering out guys 5'9" and under.....
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:34 AM
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👑
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:29 AM
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You question presumes that I "only see men 6ft + paired up".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:26 AM
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That’s literally from the first paper you linked. Where does it say that? Can you quote it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:25 AM
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My sources are detailed research papers written by college professors. Your source is some random survey done by a company.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:01 AM
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Merely being taller than a woman usually isn't enough to pass the height filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:00 AM
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"teehee"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:59 PM
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I want to know where you people live you only see men 6ft + paired up. I never said that, don't put words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:57 PM
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Or I think this one states only 14 percent end up in marriage. That sounds pretty low too You shifted the goalposts from relationships to marriage. And the survey they got that statistic from is pretty garbage. There is absolutely no information on sampling, methodology, the exact questions they asked, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:57 PM
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can and will date someone shorter if they meet someone shorter whom they like and feel attracted to They wouldn't be attracted to short guys unless he's extremely good looking in other respects. But that's not realistic or even possible for most short guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:50 PM
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You don't need a measuring tape to judge men's heights.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:47 PM
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Most women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:47 PM
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So they’re not saying it doesn’t matter. They’re saying it doesn’t matter a lot. The research I posted seems to indicate it's a very significant factor. and specifying her preference is him being taller than her. Again, the research linked in the post seems to suggest that usually it goes further than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 11:36 PM
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I literally just linked the whole article.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 09:12 PM
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You didn't read the link. People were asked how they met their current partner, and 40% replied that they met their current partner through OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 09:07 PM
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33% of women found their height to be okey-dokey 33% of women didn't immediately rule them out based on their height. That doesn't mean these women liked them, or that these women didn't prefer taller men. The average height for a man in the US is 5’ 9.2” so having the average cut off at 5’9” actually means that “below average” men make the cut off. Sometimes they can. But when that many women filter you out just because of your height, it makes dating that much harder. And even those that don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 09:00 PM
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The longer time you have the more it becomes “is he taller than me” for most women. Firstly, that's unsubstantiated. Secondly, when it comes to dating, going out with people you already spend time with and know well is becoming less and less common. https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_et_al_Disintermediating_Friends.pdf Fewer and fewer people are meeting partners through the traditional avenues of family, friends, school, and work. In the case of the latter two, there is no doubt in my …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 08:55 PM
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Yeah that's why I said in my post that if you're getting laid consistently then you don't need to jerk off. But this post is for guys who aren't. I think if porn hadn't become mostly free and easily accessible through the internet there would be a lot more simps today.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 08:42 PM
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"x" to doubt. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sexes https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2007.08.008
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 08:06 PM
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It's not degrading to freely choose to pay for something. Give me a fucking break, it's expected of us. And it's not like it's a choice between casual sex or being ignored over expensive meals either. Most women expect you to be willing to spend money and put in effort "wooing" her if you're asking her out the old-fashioned way, so that kinda is the choice. Most people who have casual sex likes to think they're winning through it - even if they're not. Hooking up includes rejection for relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:34 PM
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My original argument on this was about whether women actually ‘settle’ in their 30s as they didn’t get a match in their 20s, and that I disagree. Most people "settle" regardless of age. But women in their 20s are usually more desirable than women in their 30s so they have more, and better, options. As the grounds for what classes as settling, or winning, surely these are highly subjective Yes that's basically what I said, although I feel that "normative" is a better word to use than "subjective"…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:09 PM
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We are in 2023, and men aren’t beating their chest and bludgeoning sexual competitors for the youngest, wide-hipped woman in the settlement. I never said they were, I simply said they find younger women and women with wider hips more attractive. I think I know what you're getting at though. Just because society has evolved a lot over the past few thousand years doesn't mean that human evolution has kept up with it. It hasn't, not even close. Evolution is a very slow process and so the innate phy…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:05 PM
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It’s far from perfect. There are women past their “peak” that are more fertile than women in their “peak”. In life very few things are perfect, I'm not sure what your point is. On average younger women are significantly more fertile and more likely to get pregnant. There wouldn't be a lot of overlap if you were to compare the fertility of women in their early 20s vs women in their mid-late 30s. Perhaps we should choose our mates on more factors than beauty- which fades over time, and opt for oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 09:07 AM
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N-Count... Is a (mostly) immutable trait. Thomas had never seen such bullshit before.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 09:03 AM
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Well surely that’s highly subjective? It is but he's talking about aggregate data: what men on average find more attractive. And the vast majority of men find younger women more attractive. Many people find confidence the most sexy thing someone can have, and typically that comes with age and experience. If you don't have anything to support this assertion then honestly you should really just speak for yourself. From the research I have read, confidence/assertiveness in a partner is more so valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 12:42 AM
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More men bust to porn regularly now as compared to the 80s. Lots more men and boys will masturbate every day multiple times a day for years at a time. Yet there are MORE simps not less. I mean that doesn't mean it's causal. Beef consumption has declined since the 80s, does that mean that not eating beef makes men simp? As I said, women have gotten more selective so male sexlessness has become more common. Guys who are getting laid usually don't simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:50 PM
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Bud I think you really misunderstood my post. I think the root cause of rising male sexlessness is women(even unattractive women) becoming more and more selective. Which is enabled by male thirst. Simping is directly caused by male thirst. Male thirst is something that regular ejaculation can help alleviate, whether that comes from sex or jerking off. It's just that jerking off is a lot easier and more straightforward for most of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:05 PM
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Lol you think men jerk off less today than in previous generations? Where did I say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:41 PM
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I can personally attest to this being false, as can plenty of other men. Bullshit. If you bust, how long until you can get it up again? What if you bust twice in a row? and does nothing for the mental/emotional side of intimacy. You don't need a woman for that. If anything the best way to lose a woman is to emotionally vulnerable with her. Goalposts successfully shifted. Never did dumbass. Quote where I said that jerking off would fully satisfy men. I'm not shaming men for doing it. Sure you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:38 PM
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So you think dudes sitting around with their “imagination” of what, butterfly’s and rainbows and the nicest girlfriend ever holding into his dick Honestly you don't even need that, just stimulation is enough. And even if a guy is using imagination he's not necessarily imagining that. You think making it less visually stimulating is going make dudes not want the real thing even more Men have significantly reduced sexual desire after they ejaculate. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:35 PM
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I pretty clearly specified that porn is optional, the important part is busting regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:19 PM
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there's a study suggesting masturbating ~25 times a month actually lowers prostate cancer risks for men. This has nothing to do with how often men actually masturbate, and it's usually not that often. From what I understand, arranged marriages are actually happier in the long run versus selecting for love. That's besides the point. You claimed that men are "supposed" to derive validation and self-worth from successfully courting women but courtship is far from universal. But selecting for someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:18 PM
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Having a genuine purpose, whether that be getting rich, getting fit, looks maxing, etc None of things reduce sexual desire which is the root of so many problems. Or at least, not immediately, directly, and significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:04 PM
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A lot of men would be slighted and less masculine dating a significantly taller woman. Maybe, this doesn't mean height is an important factor for guys. It's really uncommon for women to be significantly taller than men. Whereas on the other hand, women's height standards typically go wayyyyy beyond "he can't be significantly shorter than me".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:03 PM
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Again, PPD users just pulling things out of their ass. jerk of to porn and then spend the rest of their night doing that Who needs to spend a whole evening jerking off? are the dudes that get pissed off and vocal that they have to do that rather than “getting the real thing”. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be pissed off if they weren't jerking off. And I never suggested in my post that jerking off would reduce hostility towards women, I really don't give a shit about that. I was saying that jer…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:57 PM
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As usual, not much in the way of evidence to support the assertions being made. Sex becomes a compulsory obsession for them. Ejaculating regularly, whether through sex or through masturbation, reduces sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:47 PM
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i remember what young men were like before ubiquitous free high quality streaming porn on demand Presumably this was also before the advent of online dating provided women with a much larger pool of prospective partners, allowing them to be viciously selective. But of course, some people refuse to attribute anything bad to women. and i can see what its doing to men It's not porn or masturbation. It's you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:44 PM
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"Guys aren't getting laid because they'd rather jerk off teehee" Women always seem to have trouble understanding cause and effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:08 PM
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you're essentially telling men to die alone and give up on women by telling men this No I wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:06 PM
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All men are the same Virtually all men can significantly reduce their sexual desire through masturbation. There are physiological limits on how often men can ejaculate. Sex and emotions are in no way intertwined Masturbating is just as good as actual sex Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not saying that men will be satisfied by masturbation, I'm saying that if they do they at least won't be thirsty. with added shame and emotional issues to boot. What "emotional issues"? The only "emotional issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:05 PM
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Eventually, that doesn't cut it anymore. It doesn't provide any relief. That's not how male physiology works. Masturbation and ejaculation almost always significantly reduces sexual desire. You turn to fake peeing assistance (porn). I clearly specified that porn is optional, in case that wasn't obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:51 PM
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Because that's what women are typically like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:46 PM
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I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying masturbation is equivalent to sex, merely that it temporarily relieves men of their sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:46 PM
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First off guys do jack off all the time, most do probably every day. Every day? I doubt it. The point is, as guys our internal drive, our most fundamental parts of our brain, are telling us to procreate, to find the best partner we possibly can. We are built to court and mate, just like those birds who do silly dances to attract a female. I hate when people butcher evolutionary biology like this and treat it like it's normative in of itself. Just because a behavior is "natural" doesn't mean it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:28 PM
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Then they have shitty partners. Then I guess you're saying that women are shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:23 PM
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I think men can afford to be more intimate(in all respects except sexually) with male friends than with a female partners. They're less judgmental.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:54 AM
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Men lose a certain motivating desire to do what they need to do in order to get a woman Post-porn, and average guy is still relatively eager to fuck his female equivalent in mate value. She is not as beautiful or as exciting Male thirst and low standards is why we are where we are today. It's why guys throw money and attention at women in hopes of getting a whiff of coochie. It's why even ugly and fat women can afford to be somewhat picky. But they also need the right social models and structure…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 11:52 AM
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Male thirst/desperation would be better solved if men were more willing to put in the work necessary to better themselves "Just take a shower bro" I’d rather not be that guy that can’t perform with women I've only heard of that in the context of porn use, and even then the science isn't clear. If you're concerned then just don't use porn. It's not really much different from a handjob or a blowjob so I don't see why jerking off in of itself could cause ED.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:45 AM
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I think the biggest problem with a lot of sexually frustrated guys is that they believe that they need a girlfriend to not be lonely. That's bullshit. Cultivate friendships with other men and good relationships with your family members. And even if you do that and are still lonely, well at least you're not gonna be a lonely simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:40 AM
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But men desire women and sex mainly because they desire love. Disagree. Human males have a much more short-term oriented mating preferences. Basically, most men can enjoy casual sex without emotional involvement. but they still subconsciously perceive a big difference between having sex with a woman and emptying balls while masturbating. Sure but either way, draining your balls will make you way less thirsty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:38 AM
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Admiring height is literally what both men and women do. To say it’s a woman thing is ridiculous. Did I say otherwise? Don't put words in my mouth. Tallness is admired by both men and women equally. Bullshit, straight men don't overwhelmingly prefer tall women like straight women do tall men. Or short women either for that matter. Height doesn't matter that much for guys. A lot of the “general preferences” women have are preferences men also have but it’s just not for romantic interaction. We're…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 05:26 AM
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“Tall men” is relative and not valued in every culture. They are in cultures where women choose their own partners. The kind of cultures that most users here live in. The preferences of women in, say, Nigeria, are irrelevant to a man who lives in the US. Yes, there are social factors that result in us leaning towards some general behaviors. For guys looking to improve their dating and sexual success, why women have the preferences that they do is irrelevant. Only the fact that they have those pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:41 AM
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JFL at women in HR earning 50k a year thinking they're "dating down" just because mommy and daddy paid for her to go to adult daycare for 4 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:32 AM
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This is such a cop out. There are broad similarities in behavior and cognition between women, these traits don't need to apply to literally every single woman for guys to use this information for their own benefit. If say, 95% of women preferred taller men, then that would mean wearing shoe lifts benefits a guy's sexual and dating success because that would make him more attractive to the vast majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:21 AM
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I'm with my non-chad bf Weekly reminder I paid my own money to go to him. I'm spending my own money while I'm with him. Do you think that paying your way during his BIRTHDAY is some kind of boast? That's hilarious lmao. If anything you should be treating him. That's what most girls would expect from guys. is a bit overweight Are you overweight?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:54 AM
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If you want to believe that women are incapable of honestly describing their preferences In some situations, maybe, like women in a random sample. Not if you actively choose to participate in this subreddit and push a pro-woman narrative, like most women here do. You have an incentive to lie. Social desirability bias is very real and you're a dumbass if you think I'm just supposed to ignore it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 03:38 AM
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Missed your chance to get with a woman in her 20s a long time ago, buddy Missed their chance to get with a woman in her 20s you. FTFY. You're not really in a position to speak for most or all women in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 11:23 PM
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I think manosphere men I never labelled myself anything. Is there actually anything wrong with the line of reasoning that I presented or are you just going to try and deflect it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 11:21 PM
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Through most of human history History is the study of the written record, not everything that has happened in the past. Hominin existence far predates the advent of writing. Most people were bought, sold, or traded by their parents and community. It's a relatively short blimp in history where women can choose a partner based off of want and not need. It's a relatively short blimp in history where women can choose a partner based off of want and not need. Most of this psychology largely ignores s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 11:18 PM
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Eh, I think of a lot of careers are probably more dangerous. Military, law enforcement, construction work, logging, etc. If you aren't willing to accept risk then don't do the job. The fact that women have the option of doing it is a privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:13 PM
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And men don't also prefer the best? They do but they are far more willing to settle. and a good share who have it are men. How would you know that? One study found that 62% of women reported having rape fantasies. Do you really think that the figure for men is remotely close to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:45 PM
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If you go with biology,, females are not much less than animals when it comes to sex. Mating behaviors of animals vary wildly They are hypergamous in general, like animals. Humans are indeed animals. More of us should accept that. If you go deep down on kinks n fantasies several many women even fantasize rape and misogyny with their idle men This is true, research consistently research that most women admit to enjoying rough sex and even having rape fantasies. Only God knows why.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:45 PM
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the majority of women don't have casual sex This is clearly bullshit. Casual sex is ubiquitous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:29 PM
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Personal experience is a poor basis for a worldview, and it's not why I believe that many RP beliefs are true. Or perhaps they are hyperbolic, but at least have a basis in truth. Rather, scientific research seems to support "red-pill" beliefs more so than "blue-pill" beliefs. I don't like to label myself because when you do that people like to straw-man you and put words in your mouth, but one is clearly a better description of human behavior, especially women's behavior, than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:26 PM
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You're comparing my desire to not have children to rape. I was referring to your claim that you have no interest in being provided for. Should I be as ashamed of not wanting children as a man would be of raping someone? The difference is in degree, not nature. People like to give socially desirable answers, and I think PPD women have strong incentives to give socially desirable answers on the subject of female behavior and preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 06:39 AM
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If I was attracted to indicators of fertility, I would assume that'd include not dating asexual or low-libido men. That'd rule me out. You're married. If you're going to call me a liar when I disagree with you, then what is the point of speaking to you? I didn't call you a liar. I said that the existence of a significant incentive to lie exists means that I can't accept what you're saying at face value. If you were to ask 1000 men on the street if they've ever raped someone, how many would answe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 06:23 AM
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At best, you just argued that I should think most adults are weak-willed "Weak" is normative, a statement like that can't be factually correct or incorrect. If your standard of not being "weak-willed" is so high that most adults can't meet it then you're free to feel that way, but I think it's a little silly. It's like a genius saying people with average IQ are retards because his standard for what constitute "not retarded" are very high. However, in your last comment you said that you expect "n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:58 AM
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I have zero interest in fertility I'm not talking about a conscious interest in fertility, or a conscious desire to reproduce. I'm talking about attraction to indicators of fertility. as is the thought of being dependent on a man I don't think that being with a man who provides for you entails becoming financially dependent on them. Being provided for is not mutually exclusive with you working, earning money, and advancing your career. The only difference compared to being single is that you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:52 AM
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150,000 years is more than enough time for our mental processes and brain structures to have changed Not fundamentally, no. I know exactly what evo psych is, but this is a reddit comment section. So? That doesn't excuse your bullshit explanation. Evolutionary psychology seeks to explain modern human behavior, not human behavior hundreds of thousands of years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:09 AM
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And I would say it makes them inferior because I expect normal adults to make good choices in spite of their instincts. Humans can't "switch off" their ingrained behavior and preferences just like that. Otherwise we wouldn't have an obesity crisis. Why do you think humans love eating a lot of calorie dense foods? Because for the vast majority of hominin existence food was much less accessible than it is today so we needed to consume as many calories as possible to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:06 AM
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I simply do not believe that most people are so at the mercy of instinct. You reject it because that's what you'd like to believe. Not because you actually know anything about the subject. There is a great wealth of evidence indicating broad similarities in partner preferences and sexual behavior between different humans, and across cultures. Superficial traits like eye color or hair color may come down to individual preference but there are universal preferences for things like fertility, healt…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:39 AM
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Knowing that we are more similar to mice than chickens in terms of shared evolutionary background does not tell us anything about human psychology. Why would you use that as an example? It also tells us that humans are most similar to chimpanzees and diverged in the ballpark of 5-10 million years ago. Moreover, scientists don't need to make comparisons to other taxa to explain why certain traits exist through an evolutionary lens. They didn't need to do that for the lion's mane, or the peacock's…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:19 AM
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to make sociological assumptions from 150,000 years ago and presuming we somehow haven't changed since then 150 000 years isn't really a long time from an evolutionary perspective. Natural selection is an incredibly slow process, especially so in animals with long reproductive cycles such as humans. Humans have not fundamentally changed since then. That's a really bad explanation of it. Evolutionary psychology is method of explaining human behavior and cognition with the principles of natural se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:10 AM
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"A problem with evolutionary psychology is that we can’t take this approach with humans. Our nearest relatives are long gone. We don’t know all that much about their behaviors, social structures, or the specific environmental pressures they were living under. So it’s hard to say what behaviors set us apart, and even harder to explain how those evolved (using empirical data)." You really did give that impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 04:16 PM
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There are good reasons why psychologists don’t call themselves biologists and why biologists don’t call themselves psychologists There are different branches of psychology, some are more applied and others are more academic. Some fall under biological science more than others do. Most evolutionary biologists are not working on apes or dolphins or lions or humans. Most evolutionary biologists don’t touch behavior at all. That doesn't mean evolutionary psychology isn't biological science. Most evo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 04:09 PM
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No, I’ve already said that sexual selection is well-accepted. I'm talking about those specific kinds of sexual selection. Not sexual selection in general. But not all of evolutionary psychology’s hypotheses are explained by clear observable mechanisms of sexual selection. Why would they be? Many evopsych hypotheses aren't related to sex or reproduction. And for those that are, obviously not all of them are necessarily correct. That's why they are hypotheses. You're missing the point. I was sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:54 PM
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I’d been hoping to keep my argument narrow, with a thesis that (most) evolutionary biologists work with different, more concrete, and higher quality evidence than (most) evolutionary psychologists That hill I’ll die on, everything else i don’t really care about. I think your mistake is trying to draw a line between "evolutionary biology" and "evolutionary psychology". Evolutionary psychology is first and foremost biological science. Studying humans may be more difficult than studying other anima…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:35 PM
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Besides, this is getting off-topic. Comparison is not the end all be all. Biologists didn't need to compare lions with anything(nor could they really) to conclude that lionesses preferred male lions with long, dark, manes and explain it using evolutionary biology. They didn't need to compare peafowl with anything to explain the train of a peacock and peahen preference for a large, colorful, train.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:32 PM
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We don’t rely on the Linnaean system anymore. You literally just did by referring to the Linnaean taxonomic rank of genus. But they are still more similar than humans and gorillas. Speciation in both examples occurred in the ballpark of 5-10 million years ago, it's not a drastic difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:23 PM
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Studying differences between racial groups and putting it down to evolution is a slippery slope to bio-determinism, eugenics, etc. That has absolutely no bearing on the scientific question of the taxonomic significance of race. Just because you don't agree with the normative conclusions that some people draw from science doesn't mean the science is incorrect. I strongly suggest the books guns, germs, and steel if you haven’t read it yet. Jared Diamond is a historian, he's not a particularly qual…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:18 PM
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Tigers are in the same genus as lions If you work with evolutionary biologists then I think you'd know better than to rely on the dated Linnaean system of taxonomy with it's rather arbitrary ranks. It doesn't tells us much about how long ago they diverged, or how genetically similar they are. The “desert island” experiment already happened with tigers and lions, whenever they diverged from their common ancestor. Unlike in your hypothetical experiment, we weren't able to observe their last common…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:02 PM
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None of those are hominids. Please look up the modern definition of "hominid". So what this is arguing for is the study of why different races of humans behave differently. Good luck separating that from cultural influences. Some groups of humans, specifically hunter-gatherers, have far less sophisticated and complex cultures. Comparisons can also be made between different racial groups that grew up in a similar culture, such as the various racial groups of the United States for instance. but bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 02:46 PM
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To demonstrate that traits they develop there are evolved, the traits need to be passed between generations—we’d need multiple generations of desert island kids who never interacted with other Homo sapiens. Would we? Would evolutionary biologists need to perform that experiment with tigers or vultures in order to make conclusions about how natural selection influenced their traits? Mainly i am trying to illustrate how challenging the burden of proof is with evolution I think that you're advocati…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 02:14 PM
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because despite being very different they're at least in the same genus. Traditional Linnaean taxonomy is rather artificial. Whether different taxa of organisms are classified as different subspecies, species, or genera under this system is based on whatever traits human notice and deem important. Not how recently they diverged, or how genetically similar they are. Biologists today are moving towards a phylogenetic system of taxonomy that does away with ranks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 02:09 PM
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There are no other extant hominids Chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans are all extant. Behavioral differences between societies would suggest that social pressures drove the differences more than evolutionary differences, because we are the same species. Human geographic origin(what most people would call "race") is taxonomically significant. People from different parts of the world have different physical traits and they cluster together. Human societies are not diverging from one another Hum…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 01:58 PM
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I should have been more clear, I was referring to more direct experimental evidence. Experiments can support their arguments but they also need to use logic and reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 12:27 PM
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It definitely helps when a species hasn't literally been the last surviving member of its genus We can still compare humans to other hominids, compare humans of different geographic origins, and compare the two human sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 12:25 PM
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A major difference between evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology Evolutionary psychology is a biological science. Behavior and cognition are traits of organisms just as size, shape, and color are. We can look at closely related taxa within a clade (such as species within a genus), identify behaviors that differ between closely related taxa, and inspect the different pressures these taxa are subject to that could have selected for the disparate traits. I think we can do this with human…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 12:23 PM
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When you’re attracted to and falling for a guy, you’re wrapped up in him, and in that experience of being attracted to falling for him If you fall for him. Your initial assessment can be influenced by the quality of your previous partners. You're describing the "honeymoon" period. That doesn't last forever. If you had only one past partner but the sex was great, then you still know that sex can be amazing and will look for that in a future partner. Is a woman with two previous partners as likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 10:27 AM
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Female homosexuality has been differently stigmatised, sure, but not less stigmatised. How many Western countries have ever criminalized male homosexuality? How many Western countries have ever criminalized female homosexuality? Are female homosexual stereotyped as being masculine to the same extent as male homosexuals are stereotyped as being effeminate? Most women would rather just be outright rejected than treated as only good for sex. As I said, many women, especially younger women, seek out…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 10:22 AM
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Do you think we need to observe the evolution of behavior and cognition, or have records of it, to believe that it happened? This doesn't seem to stop evolutionary biologists from making conclusions about the evolution of behavior in non-human animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 10:21 AM
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I seriously doubt that it hurts girls as much as it hurts guy Please read carefully. I never said that it doesn't affect women at all, but ever since the Roman Empire was Christianized female homosexuality has been considered more socially acceptable than male homosexuality in western culture. men especially have a common habit of fuckzoning bisexuals You may not think this is ideal but it's definitely better than being completely rejected. Many women seek out casual sex these days anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 10:17 AM
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its methodology isn't great at reaching reliable conclusions What's wrong with the methodology? Is it the lack of experimentation? The same can be said for evolutionary biology in general, not just evolutionary psychology as applied to humans. literally all of these topics don't have a consensus in evolutionary psychology If you really believe this then I don't think you've done your research on it. There's a consensus on many questions within the field. Evolutionary psychology is especially wea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 10:12 AM
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Evidence suggests that monogamy is not a natural distribution of sex, but rather a social system set up by the patriarchy. Up until very recently, human societies have always been patriarchal. humans had five times as many female as they did male ancestors. Polygyny is good evidence for patriarchy. It’s fairly easy to connect the dots and infer that monogamy was established to prevent the destructive nature of sexual competition while providing all men with access to a woman. How would you know …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 04:14 AM
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But this could apply whether they’d been with 1 person or 100, which completely counters your point that our past influences us so heavily. A man who is a violent felon and a man who isn't could both be abusive. Does that mean his felon status isn't relevant? Clearly one is far more likely to be abusive than the other. Why do women on PPD struggle so much with logic and reasoning? The more people they have been with the more likely it is that they have been with someone more desirable than you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 03:46 AM
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Maybe they thought they could do better? Maybe they got dumped? Christ, use your brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 01:18 AM
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A criticism that can be applied way more to the male users. Hence why I said it’s beginning to equalise. I rarely see male users here dismiss research papers by bringing up anecdotes. At worst, they're ignorant of science. But they are far more open to changing their beliefs if you present them with scientific evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 01:12 AM
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I seriously doubt that it hurts girls as much as it hurts guys. Also you don't need to lie in order to hide something, just don't bring it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:46 PM
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yeah this is big brain time
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:45 PM
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so basically you’re saying … is lying by omission really thaaat bad Nondisclosure is not "lying by omission". "Lying by omission" is when you tell only part of the truth to mislead the other party. By your logic every promiscuous girl who doesn't volunteer that information that to guys they are seeing is "lying" to them. Admitting to being bisexual, especially if they bottom for other guys, is a death sentence for guys looking to date women. They should never, ever, disclose that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:40 PM
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This is a horrible analogy, a relationship involves a hell of a lot more commitment and sacrifice than eating out once at a restaurant. A better analogy would be if you only allowed to eat that one restaurant. You’re not usually sitting there doing direct comparison calculations in your head. Is the sex good? Are you enjoying it? Is the relationship good? Our perceptions of what is "good" or what is "good enough" are influenced by our past experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:37 PM
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Disagree, the female users here are overwhelmingly allergic to science. "I don't care what your peer-reviewed research paper says, I know a few people who aren't like that teehee"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 08:59 PM
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Thanks again for proofing that men only want the 10% of hot women No, it's because PPD women tend to be older than the male users here already taken retarded
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 08:57 PM
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Wives who don't want to have sex with their husbands don't love them. If you don't want to do something as basic and fundamental as sex, then you would never be willing to make sacrifices for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 08:51 PM
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Most people are naturally monogamous. This claim seems dubious considering the fact that for the entirety of pre-agricultural human existence, far more women reproduced than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 05:35 AM
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That's the only part you respond to? Really? Oxford languages definition of "desperate" in the sense that you are using it: "having a great need or desire for something". I never suggested that attractive men are getting on their knees and begging unattractive women for sex. Merely that they are willing to have sex with them, especially if they're asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:00 PM
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Is it hard for an unattractive woman to fuck a chad? Honestly? And this claim is based on, what, your own personal experiences with a few male friends and acquaintances? You’re apparently trying to argue attractive men dumpster dive because rejection hurts their wittle fewing so they fuck big Bertha to avoid that. No I'm not. Read Men saving themselves for marriage doesn’t exist?!? It's incredibly rare today in Western countries, according to social science research. Same goes for women. No but …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 03:23 PM
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even the sluttiest one’s turn ugly women down What do you mean by "ugly" here? How often do they get approached by women and what proportion of them do they turn down? And for these women, does a single instance of getting turned down by an attractive man mean that it's hard for them to have sex with attractive men? You do realize that men, even attractive men, are turned down regularly right? You're so out of touch it's insane. I guess men who saved themselves for marriage will harm their virgi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 02:06 PM
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Men are not very sexually selective and typically find the majority of women attractive enough to have sex with. Don't project your own attitudes onto the other sex. Men value having a variety of sexual partners for evolutionary reasons. It almost always improves reproductive success for men since for the vast majority of hominin history men did not have to invest in their offspring. Even just 30 years ago, men couldn't even be certain of paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:57 AM
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If you managed to get a girl to hookup with you Keyword: "If"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 07:20 AM
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There are men out there who only want to marry (or be with for their first time) virgins In western countries at least, this is incredibly uncommon and unrealistic. Guys who care a lot about n-count are just looking for someone with only a few previous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 07:18 AM
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It's never possible to know for sure, because women can easily lie about it and give a number lower than it actually is. Guys who want confirmation of a partner's n-count are out of luck. But guys who care about n-count can still use it as a filtering tool, if a woman is relatively honest and admits to having a high n-count then that can be a dealbreaker for him. Women are unlikely to exaggerate their n-count, if they do give a figure then treat it as a minimum, and proceed according to your val…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 07:09 AM
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It's very clear that she didn't suddenly realise how much she had loved him all these years. How could you know this? Can you read her mind? Most people claim love their spouse, usually it's the only socially acceptable attitude. That doesn't mean they actually do. How come she only "loved" him after her first marriage failed and she was left a single mother with kid in tow? He seems like the textbook betabucks to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 07:03 AM
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in fact she doesn’t exist to him and that’s all well and good it makes perfect sense in fact she doesn’t exist to him very attractive men. FTFY. Actually, not even that. Very attractive men won't be sexually exclusive with her. Cry me a river.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 05:02 AM
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Is the lack of eye candy for women in magazines due a lack of desire or a lack of need? If most women can easily have sex with the most attractive men if they so desire then why would they need to rub one out to a photo of one in a magazine?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 11:53 PM
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If it wasn't true, why would girls want to be pretty so badly? Why do you think it must be for men? Beauty is not always about sexuality. I for instance, respect and admire guys that are jacked even though I'm not gay. Guys will fuck anything but they only "notice" attractive girls the way girls WANT to be noticed Guys Very attractive guys will only "notice" attractive girls the way girls want to be noticed. FTFY. Plenty of fat and ugly women have boyfriends and husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 11:23 PM
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