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And why should limit equality only to opportunities instead of applying it to everything? Seems arbitrary. If we can be arbitrary then we can be arbitrary in many ways and not only in the way you like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:58 PM
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And why should I accept equality of opportunity and reject all other kinds of equality? Seems arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:16 PM
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Either equality is valuable in itself and applies to everything or it is not valuable in itself and anyone can apply it or not in any scenario based on anything or nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:15 PM
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If that was an option, yes. Maybe the growing support for such an extreme position will wake up society to bring a solution before that party wins an election.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:14 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:13 PM
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There is no difference in the dating model. But it allows people to not give a fuck about equality in all other aspects as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:13 PM
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I am ok with equality being applied in everything. I don't know why you try to mention it as if it was something I would be opposed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:07 PM
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it is not valuable in itself and anyone can choose to apply it or not based on anything or nothing at all. Ok. This option then. Equality only when you like it and never if you don't like it. Well I like different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:06 PM
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it is not valuable in itself and anyone can choose to apply it or not based on anything or nothing at all. This option then
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:05 PM
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it is not valuable in itself and anyone can choose to apply it or not based on anything or nothing at all. Ok. This option then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:48 AM
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It is inconsistent to believe in equality for some things but to apply it only in other things. Either equality is valuable in itself and should apply to everything or it is not valuable in itself and anyone can choose to apply it or not based on anything or nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:44 AM
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I am not OP but I can say that my vote (support) is for sale and I know how I want to get paid. As long as I get what I want I will vote for status quo. If I am not getting what I want I will vote for whoever wants to change things in the opposite direction in the most radical way available.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:53 AM
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I don't understand how/why men keep trying to relate dating preferences to politics. The reason is consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:51 AM
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God forbid one might be consistent. I don't believe anyone has the obligation to be consistent but I will lose respect for people that are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:50 AM
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Yes. I would pay. If she tries to use the assets I pay for to find another man she better get results on the first attempt because I will know about it and the next one will be significantly harder. There are few things that would make me want to pursue revenge. That is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:12 PM
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When I was younger, I did a lot of trying on different shapes. It was good for that period of my life when I was learning who I was and what worked for me. But I also spent a lot of time figuring out who I was alone, and what was important to me individually. On my way to get to my 40s and I learned that having a shape of my own is nothing but an obstacle. Be like water. Shapeless. Flow or crash, but in the shape of the container it is in. And in some ways there is a lot of flexibility - my inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:32 PM
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Roommates don't provide monogamy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:21 PM
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I don't know why. I have yet to meet a woman that has no demands other than monogamy, be an adult, be alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:03 PM
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I don't understand the question. Please re phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:55 PM
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I can think of two reasons why I would change to fit whatever shape of dull I need to fit. First one is that I want to be in a relationship and I am a man without an abundance of options. I Don't get to reduce the pool. Staying alone is not acceptable. If that were not the case I would consider not changing. Second reason is that I don't have any shape of my own. I have the shape I need at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:45 PM
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Not my own value. Every single human's value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:25 PM
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Is that intrinsic human value in the room with us? Any evidence for it's existence? Or is it just a popular idea with no basis on reality like "human rights"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:23 PM
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In control over myself and how much joy I get out of whatever action I need to do. I don't need people to change for me or do what I find fun. I can change to do whatever and find fun doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:17 PM
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I can only answer for myself, of course, but - Thank you for your perspective. There are a few parts of this. I can't have a serious relationship if I can't connect with them both emotionally and intellectually. If it is an inability then there is nothing to be done. If it is a preference then I guess it can be changed. I have a colorful and exciting life already. Spending time with someone who is dull gets frustrating pretty quickly. Usually for both of us, if they're bright enough to understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:16 PM
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I only require that if she has demands I need to meet in order to qualify as a potential partner. All women on earth have those kind of demands so I expect sex. But assuming a woman expects nothing from me I will gladly return the favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:09 PM
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I don't understand why the idea of being dead weight is so attractive to so many people. The only way to know if you are actually valued is to see if you are valued when you bring nothing to the table. When you are dead weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:07 PM
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Ok. Not all the time. But a percentage of the time. And that percentage will not always be met. Unless it is a performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:03 PM
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Why are you framing being fun as a thing that requires a personality change or "burden of performance? It does not necessarily need a personality change. You can vet for compatibility but that reduces the pool of available options. It does require a burden of performance because no one is fun all the time and also, people tend to change. " Do you have friends? When you and a friend have fun, is it because one of you has changed themselves for the other? I do have friends and I am the one changin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:01 PM
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Considering all I said I don't know how you get to that conclusion. I literally said that I would be the one changing and molding myself to what my partner wants. What makes you think that I want an empty vessel? I don't care if it's empty or full or whatever it has inside. I will change to fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:00 PM
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Lucky you. Not an option. But if you have it then use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:49 PM
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I don't prioritize compatibility. I build it. So it is entirely under my control. My partner has to say yes. From then on I am the one that will change to suit the needs of the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:46 PM
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Seems fair. Even if somewhat unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:39 PM
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Sure..I get that. And when I want that it is me the one that changes so I become able to bond and do things with my partner while enjoying the time together. I don't expect my partner to be fun/not boring. I would rather be in control and not put a burden of performance on someone else. Let alone the fact that looking for someone that I find fun without any change from my part reduces the pool of options available.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:33 PM
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Just out of curiosity. Why does "fun"/"not boring" enter into consideration? Isn't it easier to find fun on your own instead of adding another trait to the list of requirements?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:10 PM
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If all a woman brings to the table (and does it for real) is “I’ll be there tomorrow morning cause I got nowhere else to be” I would jump from joy so high that I would have to worry about sticking the landing without dying. I can intellectually understand the position you are in. I am absolutely unable to fully put myself in your shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:04 PM
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Try to convince and try to rape are different things. I hope you know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:14 PM
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Lol whatt Trapping someone financially creates "stability" through leverage not a mutual choice Trapping assumes deception. There is no deception in entering into an agreement that includes traditional gender roles. And that leverage is created by a mutual choice. and an equal partner isn't just about sharing bills it's about having an invested adult who stays because she wants to We were talking about "partner" not "equal partner". Don't move the goalpost. An unequal partner is as much as a par…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:51 PM
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On the contrary. If I am not inside a LTR my desire to take a bath with a toaster increases every day. So I am required to have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:48 PM
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Because this is a debate subreddit. You seem to say that my response was an example of being lacking in emotional intelligence without explaining why that is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:37 PM
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It is not about books and academics. It is about people on the day to day life. If women that identify themselves as feminist do X, then X is part of feminism no matter what academics or philosophy says about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:36 PM
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increased demands that aren't money. Money is just time and effort. All other demands outside of money means more time and effort even when outside of working hours. so they don't want you for your money. They want me for my time and effort. Just another form of it if that's all you have to offer a relationship, though, I guess you don't get to be mad when you're expected to provide it, because they know they can't expect anything else. I am not mad about it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:33 PM
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Ur treating this like a pure cost/benefit ,which is fine, but acting like the only real benefit is a woman who demands less and stays in a narrow role. Well you did not mentioned any benefits for the man in the previous comment. Reducing a man to paycheck + bodyguard isn’t respect, no matter how traditional you call it. It’s just using him. Same goes the other way.... I agree. It is not respect. But as I said before. Respect is unrelated to how you value someone. Alos Feminists who actually mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:32 PM
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Feminism is what self identified feminists do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:12 PM
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Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner. I can see how this might be true. Let's see your arguments. I think that Feminists actually respect men more than ‘pick me tradwives’ do, cuz Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard. They want a tool, not a partner. Why do you believe there is a connection between respect and seeing someone as a tool or partner? I can respect someone I see as a tool and have no respect towards someone I see as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:11 PM
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Please elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:04 PM
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And he discovered that women are not interested in actual vulnerability and honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:01 PM
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Men are raised believing women should serve them In the west? After decades of feminism supremacy as the dominant ideology when it comes to gender roles? Doubt so. Women are raised believing they need a man to have a complete life. I can buy that. Men are raised believing they need a woman to have a complete life as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:07 AM
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The target audience of TRP is simps and other kind of failures. The men that end up in TRP and have a relationship are already focusing on benefiting their partner. They are so focused on them that they are spineless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:12 PM
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Men are raised believing they should prioritize their partner over themselves. Happy wife happy life. Duty to provide etc . So the advice is to cut down on what they are already doing and think about themselves instead. Women on the other hand (specially since feminism became mainstream) already know they should put themselves first. So the advice is to cut down on what they are already doing and think about their partner instead
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 07:56 PM
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I would love it if women were less emotional and more in control of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:21 PM
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Reading my first comment. Men and women are equally evil. Men are better at committing violence than women. I didn't say men and women are equally violent. I said they are equally evil. I said women are bad at applying violence. It makes sense they are less violent. They are bad at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:54 PM
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In my opinion this dynamic creates an environment in which women are unable and unwilling to be sexual and emotional beings because they have to be in control of themselves and their partners 24/7. I wish women were unwilling to be sexual and emotional. I wish they remain in control of themselves and their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:50 PM
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You know you have no real answers so it’s always whataboutisms. OK. Lets make it more clear. Peace is achieved through mutual respect, understanding, and empathy. There is no example of any society on earth that achieved anything that came close to peace through mutual respect, understanding, and empathy. There are plenty of societies on earth that achieved something that came close to peace through the use of violence to enforce laws. I never said shit about removing laws, you moldy potato. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:48 PM
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See above. Not even with tools that should make their weakeness irrelevant women become able enough to use violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:29 PM
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Humans apply violence towards the ones that are weaker than them. Men abuse women, women abuse children, children abuse animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:51 PM
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Yes. Different groups of men. Still correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:44 PM
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Go to those countries. Be violent. See how a man will use violence to put you in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:42 PM
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Women are so bad at applying violence that even when guns exist, there is no example of a society in which women are the ones enforcing the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:37 PM
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No, that is the violent male thought. Peace is achieved through mutual respect, understanding, and empathy. Remove laws. Remove prisons. See how far "mutual respect, understanding and empathy" get you if you are not willing or able to apply violence towards the onesthat don't give ashit about your "mutual respect, understanding and empathy"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:36 PM
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The only cultures that have low violence are the ones that apply violence effectively towards the ones that initiate violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:35 PM
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And the only way to keep it. Because peace can only exist if it is enforced through violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:57 PM
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Men and women are equally evil. Men are better at committing violence than women. See the difference? I thought women were just as bad as men? I thought women could do just as much evil? Women are as evil as men are. Women are not as efficient and capable of commiting violence as men are. Why are you only talking about male cops, male military, and armed husbands protecting women from other men and not all the violent, unhinged female rapists and terrorists out there? Because unhinged violent fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:49 PM
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Any reply to that point u/TermAggravating8043 ?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:39 PM
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I agree. Not my point. My point is that what I consider moral or immoral makes no difference unless there is enforcement. Unless someone puts the people that act against the moral code in jail, that moral code is nothing but a useless idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:17 PM
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You're saying the only reason not to do something is that it's illegal. On a societal scale, yes. That's a legitimately frightening worldview. Then remove all punishments and see how it works out. If your morality starts and ends with avoiding legal consequences, then the only thing stopping you from lying, stealing, cheating, raping, or killing is the fear of punishment. Remove all punishments from society and see how good ethic works as a way to keep society in peace. Ethics exist precisely be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:10 PM
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Maybe some people find value in the ettiquete and masquerade of it all. Maybe some people see the ability to keep your lies and honest intentions to yourself as a sign of being properly socialized. Just guessing. I don't really know.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:08 PM
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I care about not harming others but unless there is enforcement for what I care about, the fact that I care about it means nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:05 PM
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Disclaimer: This is a LilithOfBabylon post. So you know how this will work. I will adress every single line and she will pick some detail and ignore everything else. If sex isn’t something to be ashamed of, then don’t hide your desires for it. I don't. It’s always funny seeing people claim theyre fighting against purity culture and yet they have to pretend sex is supposed to be about some pure love bullshit. If being horny isn’t something to be ashamed of, then just be honest. Ok. I am honest. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:04 PM
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Who cares about ethical tandards? If there is no enforcement then they have no impact on reality. Frankly, if you're worried about accidentally crossing the line, wouldn't you rather err on the side of making your partner feel safe and comfortable than on the side of getting as close to the line as possible? No. I rather have the line be clearly defined in law so people can stand in the right side of it knowing there will be no legal consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:54 PM
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Sure. And prohibition worked and people stopped drinking alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:53 PM
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Consent isn't just the absence of the word "no." It requires that a person can freely say no without fearing retaliation, punishment, or significant consequences. I am sorry but defining something as serious and as punishable as rape by something as nebulous and subjective as fear is stupid. Any woman can at any second say she feared retaliation, punishment or significant consequences and considering that she is the only authority on her own fear that means she is the ultimate authority that dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:01 PM
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what women do bring to the table Women in general don't bring anything to the table because individuals bring different things to the table and they change constantly so anything they bring today they may not bring tomorrow and anything they failed to bring in the past might be on the table on the future. I can go the distance and say that women bring the possibility to maybe get sex/ romantic affection / the chance to have children. Considering those are the only things heterosexual men can't g…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:03 PM
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They are offensive to you. But let's say you are correct and they are offensive to the human spirit. How does that change anything. They are still wasting time getting tools without results.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:49 AM
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For you. It is not hard to think that for some people those are only tools used to get sex/relationships and therfore getting the tools without the results is just a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:38 PM
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Those things are valuable as tools to get sex/relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:21 PM
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Not really. Now you are single and don't have the time you spent to get hobbies, friends, fitnes shygiene and good character. Time is the most valuable thing humans have. To waste it in things that you don't find valuable is a tragedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:30 PM
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Because the results are nor worth the increased likelihood of ending up as an incel. Men are not going to rally for a cause if the likely result is that they will end up without sex/relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:53 AM
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Those kinds of rewards are outward and are just a bonus. The real reward comes in understanding and believing that real relationships can and will flourish if two people care enough to make it happen. If we recognie that most people being in relationships is a goal worth pursuing then those rewards and punishment should be the main course, not just a bonus. And relationships should happpen even if people don't care enough about it. If you want to win a war, you need more bodies. The perfect way …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:45 PM
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There are deductions written directly into the tax laws and many other issues and legislative documents that reward people for being married and producing children. I was thinking about severe social punishment for single women. Not rewarding married people. People who don't want to get married or have children did not appreciate this special treatment and so have pushed the welfare state to make sure that the women who aren't career beasts still have the option to have kids without a second par…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:18 PM
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Men are better at " be great friends who care about each other who can spend time with each other doing things other than sex " So that need is already covered. No need to look for that in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:59 AM
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be great friends who care about each other who can spend time with each other doing things other than sex
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:53 AM
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There is no way to avoid criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:55 AM
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Women are allowed to have any preference. They will get criticism anyways because being allowed to do something and being free of criticism are two different things that have nothing to do with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:19 AM
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so let me get this straight, when a woman has a preference for tall men that’s bad because men can’t control their height Not my position. A popular position for sure. Not one I hold but when women have a preference for a financial stable and confident man that’s bad too because it’s not a part of who he is. lol Not my position either, I don't consider it "bad". Just not really an exampl of being attracted to what a human is. can you show me a psychological study proving your second statement? N…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:16 AM
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well then i’m not my age, beauty, or body count either because when those things change im still the same person. so i guess women aren’t valued for who they are either Sure. But beauty is a trait of your body so it is closer to being valued for what you are than anything else. i guess i just don’t understand your mentality about life. i really cannot imagine wanting to be valued for something that you can’t control and only lasts a few years compared to something you can control and has a high …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:51 AM
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The only reward worth the effort is success in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:33 PM
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why are you not your confidence? is it not a part of your personality? Because I remain myself if I lose confidence or if I gain it. Whatever I am remains the same with or without confidence. yeah everyone has a body, and some people have an ugly one, so.. So being valued for what you are is better than not being valued for what you are. (A body) why is being judged for your age any better than being judged for your money? you can control one, not the other Everyone gets to be young. Not everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:20 PM
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why is this such a bad thing? Because I am not my money. I am not my confidence and I am not the performance of game. I am what remains when everything else changes. That is, just a body and the electrical chemical patterns that distinguish it from a corpse. the men who lament about these things the most also say that the most important things to them in a woman are her beauty, youth, body count. So a body (something everyone has), time (something everyone had once), and lack of experiences (som…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:51 PM
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I did pick my current partner making decisions about who I date based on the future life I want to have and based on the kind of behaviors I want to reward/punish using my own behavior as an incentive structure. Miss moral and I are together for 10 years and counting. I did not even consider "liking her" when selecting her. That is something I learned to do after I decided she would be the one to take a chance with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:19 AM
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if you are in a relationship with someone where you are committed and cohabiting, you spend a lot of time together. That’s really hard to do when you don’t like the person Hard to do does not mean "impossible". I can deal with it. And I can learn to like someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:10 AM
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That would be covered by I make decisions about who I date based on the future life I want to have
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:44 PM
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Yes. I fail to see how it is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:33 PM
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I am perfectly able to feel interested, weirded out or attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:29 PM
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If a woman you weren’t attracted to asked you out, you would maybe feel weirded out or just plain not interested. Sure. But I don't make decisions about who I will date based on what I feel. I make decisions about who I date based on the future life I want to have and based on the kind of behaviors I want to reward/punish using my own behavior as an incentive structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:51 PM
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That is the necessary circumstance for this scenario to make any sense. Unless men act as a cohesive unit when it comes to making social pariahs out of single women there is no way an incentive structure that rewards settling over remaining single will exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:43 PM
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And piss off the clients that will no longer buy your product/service because the company is hiring women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:22 PM
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And why do you think that men through all of history spend that much time and effort trying to get relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:55 PM
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Seeking relationships? The thing that most humans in history do/did? That is unattractive? Humanity is broken
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:49 PM
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In this hypothetical scenario men decided that they no longer want to associate with single women. So single women would be the ones that are not hired.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:05 PM
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In this hypothetical scenario men decided that they no longer want to associate with single women. So single women would be the ones that are not hired.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:05 PM
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Yes. You can have legs and complain about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:50 PM
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If not more miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:49 PM
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Compare it to... I don't know... Having legs. You don't need legs to live... Still really good to have them and sucks to not have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:31 PM
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Because for many men life without relationships/sex is significantly worse than life with those. Compared it to... I don't know... Having legs. You don't need legs to live... Still really good to have them and sucks to not have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:31 PM
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Because for many men life without relationships/sex is significantly worse than life with those. Compared it to... I don't know... Having legs. You don't need legs to live... Still really good to have them and sucks to not have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:31 PM
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If you don't like being dependent on a boss or a client then don't work... It is not an option and that was told and explained to you multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:36 PM
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Not a plan. A plan is something more serious than whatever we are doing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:09 PM
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In that fictional world there is evidence of the existence of a soul.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:34 PM
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Ok. My point still stands
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:02 PM
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The state is a stationary mafia. Of course there will be taxes. They need to stay in power. They need guns.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:10 PM
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I didn't say get rid of the state. I said get rid of the help the state gives to people. A state is the best organization when it comes to the use of violence and as long as that is the case the stare can't be destroyed, it can only be changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:26 PM
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How are you going to get everyone to comply? I will not. If men don't want to treat single women as pariahs then they will not. What happens if they don't? Pariahs as well. And that ignores the fact that, in modern day social circles, being a pariah is not that big of a deal. It would be if people had freedom of association (if they are allowed to not hire people they don't want to hire. If they are allowed to refuse services and trade etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:23 PM
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Then read the comments below.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:46 AM
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Because free humans should be free to treat other people as pariahs just because they have freedom of association. Because that would create an incentive structure that rewards being in a relationship and punishes being single. Because a socieyin which you get help through voluntary trade is better than a society in which you get help through force (the state)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:33 AM
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Because being alone is no longer better than being with someone that does not meet your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:30 AM
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Removing all help from the state and making sure all men treat single women and those who associate with them as social pariahs. If women want any help or good treatment they can pick a man and stop being single. Then they get an acceptable life. Notice how all I did is apply freedom of association. No rights were removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:32 AM
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Because it solves the issue with standards
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:30 AM
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Solution found. Make it so it is no longer better to be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:18 AM
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If you love someone, you don't use them to "get what you want" over their pain, misery, and discomfort. Ok. If that is the definition we are using I have no response. You define the term in such a way that gives me no option. I don't know how good of a debate tactic it is. I'd never fuck my husband while he clearly hated it. And if he could fuck me while I cried or starfishes because he's using my body irrespective of my feelings, he'd be gone. Respectable position to have. Also personal. That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:59 AM
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If you love someone, you don't use them to "get what you want" over their pain, misery, and discomfort. Ok. If that is the definition we are using I have no response. You define the term in such a way that gives me no option. I don't know how good of a debate tactic it is. I'd never fuck my husband while he clearly hated it. And if he could fuck me while I cried or starfishes because he's using my body irrespective of my feelings, he'd be gone. Respectable position to have. Also personal. That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:59 AM
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I agree with you. That being said I already found miss moral ten years ago and I built my life around creating an adequate incentive structure for the woman that would fill that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:18 AM
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Not really. It can be explained theoretically, even mathematically.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:57 PM
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Getting women to lower their standards will just trap you in a passionless relationship I am ok with that. A lot of men hearken back to the days of yore, talking about how back in the fifties or whatever, most men got married at, like, twenty or whatever. They don't take into consideration how a very large percentage of those women probably (at best) tolerated their husbands, rather than ever truly loving them. Fine by me. Ever hear how common it was back then for a husband to die mysteriously, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:55 PM
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You cannot have emotional connection with someone if you don't give a shit how they feel about having sex with you, as long as they do it. Well you are partly correct. Even I can't do both at the same time. He doesn't value emotional intimacy because he doesn't understand it. Define the term as you use it. Then I can either agree or disagree with this statment in a way that is meaningful to the way you use the term. I'm trying to imagine fucking my husband knowing he'd rather crawl away and it t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:31 AM
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you don't talk to your partner of 10 years about your feelings? I tell her enough so she knows about it and nothing more. Part of the deal is that I must talk about that. And I tell it in a way that is so sanitized that is like seeing a childrens version of Schindler´s list. Technically you may know what is happening but without the gory details you don't really get it. She knows that is the case. She asked me to be fully open, she got it. Didn't liked it one bit. As I expected. wowee, i'm sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:34 AM
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Lets make this interesting and answer from the perspective of the kind of men you are talking about. Lets ignore the generalization. I am that kind of man so lets go point by point adressing everything. Also, I saw the video before writing this. I am not married because marriage is bullshit but I am in a ten year long term relationship Men don’t want relationships, they want service I do want a service. A relationship is just a mutually agreed upon arrangement in which both parts get what they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:04 AM
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All other things being equal the one that is willing to have sex more often is the one I would like/love more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:36 PM
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The one that gives me what I want. If both give me what I want, the one that gives me more of it. I don't have enough information about the options to make an informed decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:07 PM
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For the same reason thet is a persistent issue with women killing their children. The one that is stronger abuses the one that is weaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:33 PM
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Being “welcoming and caring” is not a life goal - that is a personality trait. No. "Welcoming and caring" is a trait. "Being" is an action. And to continue that action is a goal. Something you want to achieve/do is Being anything is a goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:47 PM
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I know there are many uses of the word "wrong". I mean factually wrong. I am not arguing ethics and morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:42 PM
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Provide an argument then. Why would such a woman reject the best option available to her when presented with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:41 PM
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It is not factually wrong. If you find such a woman you don't need to get all the laundry list of traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:39 PM
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It is not factually wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:37 PM
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But it is not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:34 PM
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The concept that “someone else is getting something that I’m not” is very human. But it’s one of those dark thoughts that we, as humans, are responsible for watching ourselves for, as they lead to unhealthy fixation I believe it is one of the best thoughts a human can have. Without humans sense of fairness there would be no law and no order. Just the strong taking from the weak. I do think some people are just uncomfortable being reminded of their own selfish nature, so they attack the person ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:33 PM
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Alternative. Find a woman in such a horrible position in life that they have no better option and will never have a better option than to date you. Then you don't need any of the mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:22 PM
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Lowkey if you have no hobbies, goals or dreams/ambitions that aren’t targeted towards the sole purpose of finding sex/a partner - that’s a very sad life to live. It is quite good to know exactly what you want and not have anything distracting you from the goal. What is sad is not achieving the goal. You should Oh.. I should. I did not know I was talking with the one true authority on what I should do with my only life. be happy being alone and have dreams outside of them - like getting a good jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:19 PM
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Fair point. One man is focused on love and the other is focused on fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:15 PM
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So men would still want the same thing no matter if Chad is real or not, imagined or not. That is no jealousy. That is genuine desire for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:03 PM
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That’s you being jealous of whatever your version of “Chad” has. Is it? Because from my perspective this man would still want the want the same thing even if this version of Chad never existed and is never even imagined by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:51 PM
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I am with you. I see nothing wrong with it. There is no reason to lie to myself and pretend I care about anything else. Life is better when you are honest with yourself about what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:49 PM
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"It is still a shame that we gave women any kind of responsibility though" Responsibility and independence are not the same thing. "You can be independent and have no responsibility." Bullshit. Provide an argument. Elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:36 PM
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I have no problem with women being independent. I said nothing against women's independence in this argument. You can have responsibilities while being a dependent. You can be independent and have no responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:25 PM
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But if I help my kids and not others I am giving them an unequal access to opportunities. That destroys equality of opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:10 PM
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So women are not equal and want to be treated in a way that ignores the ways in which they are inferior as workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:52 PM
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Should? So I guess it should be illegal for me to give any help to my children because that would give them a different opportunity compared to the kids that had no parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:51 PM
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This is the type of discrimination woman are fighting against. I know. But that discrimination is born out of a biological difference that does exist and has an economic impact. Let's reframe your bad logic with other bad logic: Why would I hire a man when he's more violent than a woman? Because that threat of violence is good. It is what keeps arguments from escalating to the point of being unmanageable. Why would I hire someone in a wheelchair for a job writing code? I don't see any reason why…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:50 PM
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in 100% of everything? no. in 99.999% of everything. Yes. Why would I hire a woman over a man all other things being equal considering one can get pregnant and suffers through monthly pains? You know this. Its intentionally misrepresenting what women mean when they want equality. And then using that misrepresentation to say "equality means they have the same libidos" is even worse logic It is ok when women say they want equality. My point is that they are not equal
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:28 PM
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Can you have the same opportunities as someone if you are not biologically equal? Come on
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:05 PM
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That is exactly what equal means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:57 PM
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If someone in my life is not playing the role I need them to play I remove them and change them for someone that will play it. I have only one life and I am not wasting it. I found my partner in a homeless shelter turn years ago. I have what she wants, she has what I want. Our roles were negotiated and established. We both play out role. That is all I want. Clear roles. A predictable life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:53 PM
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Cool; so guess that means these changes will not have a significant impact. I believe there would be a significant impact. Most women don't want to do what one needs to do to achieve a decent lifestyle and continue to do it until they die. They would rather have a state or man pay for it. Your premise is based off of a deeply held belief of women's basic inferiority to dudes. That's a whole other thing. Please elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:47 PM
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But why does a LTR give you the will to live, if you do not derive anything positive from it (or, the positives that most of us seek - support, respect, etc.) I don't know. or at a minimum, do not need those "positives" to remain in that relationship; what is it about that relationship that benefits you? I have a role to play in the life of someone. And I have someone playing a role in my life. That is all. I understand becoming depressed to the point of contemplating a toaster bath -- but that …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:44 PM
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They will have themselves. They are free to hire each other and trade with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:40 PM
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I know now. Women don't have anything a man would call true desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:38 PM
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When I am outside a LTR I lose my will to live. For me it is about avoiding the desire to take a bath with a toaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:32 PM
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I didn't say anything about safety nor security. Just leaving them alone to be self sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:31 PM
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Equal means the same in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:12 PM
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Of course. It is a debate tactic. You should know by now that I am not above anything when it comes to debating. You are one that dedicates entire posts talking about the wrong in men without talking about anything else even if pressed on it. You know how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:11 PM
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Fathers are equally to blame. It is still a shame that we gave women any kind of responsibility though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:05 PM
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So you lied to yourself. You assumed this was the case instead of actually confirming it that was the case It is not a lie. I can have spontaneous attraction. The lie was that women and men are equal. And that is not a lie I told to myself. That lie was told to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:04 PM
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Have you considered how this would play out for you, if you were on the receiving end of this "settling?" Yes. Maybe you imagine it would go the route of a fairytale that involves an arranged marriage where the couple eventually falls in love. But that's not what will happen. Instead she will resent you, and likely grow to detest you. In that situation, how do you rate your life? Depends on her actions. I don't give a fuck about what she thinks or feels. We are both playing a role and a role is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:03 PM
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The fact that you can’t explain how you got to that conclusion says something. I did. I will repeat it. I am a man. I as a man can have spontaneous attraction. Men and women are equal. Therefore women can have spontaneous attraction. He still has to grow and learn out of it like every other person race poorly did. Does not change the fact that he is starting from behind and the damage is already done. Thinking he deserves an endless supply of pity is entitlement and manchild behavior. The refusa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:01 PM
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They like variety that one woman cannot quench Most men will never be attractive enough to get that variety so this point only applies in a meaningful actionable way to a minority of men. They are not attracted to signs of aging that is inevitable to happen over time If she is a living adult female she will be attractive enough to most men. Some men would even ignore the lack of one of those traits. They are also not attracted to the effects of pregnancy (saggy breasts, stretch marks, loose stom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:58 PM
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Talks of Equality has never told men this. It is the logical conclusion that comes from accepting equality. There comes a time in a normal adult’s life where they have to admit they were raised poorly. Sure. And the consequences of being raised poorly are not his fault. The ones to blame are the ones that lied to him Hearing a guy bitch about how he’s dehydrated after we keep watching him ruin his water supply is extremely annoying. We’re not giving you sympathy for your own problems that you cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:51 PM
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This is just my premise- if we accept it as true- what can men realistically do (knowing that we as women AREN'T going back)? Make single life horrible between the boundaries of the law. Vote to reduce or remove all help the state gives to women. Refuse to have any positive interaction with any single woman and/or anyone that has a positive interaction with single women. Remove from law any intervention that forces employers to accept someone they don't want to hire (single women). Just give men…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:49 PM
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Porn made guys think that was realistic. Equality did. I am a man. I as a man can have spontaneous attraction. Men and women are equal. Therefore women can have spontaneous attraction. No one told them sex was a reward for niceness. Yes. We were told that in many ways by many people in our lives. Specially people that are supposed to care for children and teach them/give them tools to succeed. Men literally desire sex more than anything else, and they will happily settle into place for a bit, if…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:43 PM
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It is embarrassing that women are responsible for teaching young men wrong. For sure. They are liars that are hurting their own children.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:38 PM
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Proud to treat object like women... I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:07 AM
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I found my partner 10 years ago in a homeless shelter in South America (I am from the same country). I could give her a life and lifestyle she could never get on her own. She could give me a life and lifestyle I could never get on my own. Trade happened. Trade continues to happen today.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:54 PM
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If I have options then I would not pick a "I probably didn't see you. If I did I didn't even remember you"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:01 PM
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I was an option available, willing and easy to establish communication with. I was not picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:52 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:46 PM
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If I don't have options then the answer is always yes. Any is better than none. If I have options then no. I was already rejected before and if I have the option to date someone that did not reject me in the past instead I would take that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:59 PM
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Not true. I remain myself no matter what I do. No human stop being themselves just for changing their behavior. It is entirely impossible to stop being yourself because you are your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:14 AM
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We are engaging in behavior that exists outside of the body right now. No we are not. Without a body there is no thought, no typing. Phrases like “you’ve changed” and “I’m not the man I used to be” are phrases for a reason. Because people are wrong. They are the same person after changing. People become different people all the time. Not the case. Same person, different behavior. And it’s not by gaining weight or getting a haircut. Does a human retain identity when they change in attractiveness?…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:03 AM
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Can a behavior exist outside a body? Does a human retain their identity if they change their behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:20 PM
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A human is a body and the electrical/chemical patterns that distinguish it from a corpse. Wanting someone just because they are a woman is wanting someone because they have a vagina. A human is a body. Not because of who they are. See above. Wanting someone because they are attractive is also wanting someone because of an external quality. Not external. Part of the body. Personality is who you are. If you are talking about the electrical/chemical patterns I agree. If you are talking about action…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:52 PM
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I am going to answer your points. I hope you answer mine instead of avoiding them. the only thought i could think reading that was 'what would you want someone to do for you? Two options. Nothing or if they do something for me they get to expect a reward and I will provide. if you don't operate from that standpoint then theres nothing to talk about as i cant change a core belief for you I can operate from that standpoint. I used it and told you what I would want someone to do for me. Your turn. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:45 AM
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We are different, our actions will not be. I can't get profit without people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:56 PM
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Fair point. Good thing serial killers have more women attracted to them than shy incels. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:56 PM
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Remove the genders from my sentence and it remains valid. The excuse of "society works better when" can be used to make anyone entitled to someone elses's actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:52 PM
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Yeah, at that point no one is doing it to actually care and only doing it for the reward. That is called "trade" and it is the thing that keeps society working I would avoid people like this in life, as they're generally greedy and the kind to f**k you over to get ahead. The problem is not with greed, the problem lies in being short sighted. If you fuck up people to get ahead you get short term profit. If you develop a positive relationship through trade you gain a small benefit now and continue…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:50 PM
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The thing is, when you say that human X is entitled to help. You are also saying that human Y is obligated to help. And when it comes to dangerous situations you are also saying that Y is obligated to put their own well being at risk for the benefit of X.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:46 PM
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Already did. Already found miss moral. In a homeless shelter in South America. That ignores the point. The point is that if under the excuse of "society works better when..." we can say women are entitled to men defending them against danger even to the detriment of the men defending them, then using the same excuse we can say men are entitled to relationships with women even to women's detriment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:44 PM
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Fair. So the discussion was derailed then. Are women entitled to help when in danger? Are women entitled to men risking their lives for them? Are women entitled to that and men should expect nothing in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:42 PM
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I think every human is under obligation to care about other human lives, but apparently thats where society has gone wrong. And I believe that only works when there is a benefit for doing so. Punish helping people severely and see how those actions become rare. Reward those behaviors and see how they become commonplace. If you want something for helping someone, it isn't helping, and I'd rather avoid you all together as well, to be honest. Fair. I rather spend time with people that understand an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:41 PM
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Using the word should, means I would hope people wouldn't stand by and watch as someone gets attacked, raped or otherwise I was under the impression that to say someone "should" do something meant that they were under the obligation, legal, moral or of some other kind, to do something. but hey, there are assholes in the world, so at least we can spot them when something happens so we know who to avoid all together. Fair. I am all about allowing people to take informed decisions. I would also lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:34 PM
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My turn. Society works better when all men get to have a partner and children of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:31 PM
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You can do both. Hold the aggresors accountable by sending them to jail and tell the victims to improve their self defense strategies
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:30 PM
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You did use the word "should". Usually the word "should" comes with an entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:28 PM
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So... everyone is entitled to anyone's body in these scenarios?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:25 PM
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The latter and it is not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:49 PM
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Was Epstein an incel? Because if not, then I am right
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:45 PM
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Wrong question. Better results than whom? Better results than non criminals that happen to be shy, unmasculine, weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:40 PM
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Convicted felons have a proven history of their crimes. Still get better results. Displaying misogyny does not seem to be a factor
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:28 PM
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I guess I am not people and proud of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:55 PM
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I don't propose to do that. But if I was proposing it I would go for the following. All men without an exception treat adult women outside relationships as social pariahs. No job opportunities, no talking to. Spitting at floor at the sight of them. No social interaction. Voting against their interest so we can remove any help the state would provide to them. Refusing to help them in any way. Apply the same to any woman or man that associates with an adult single woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:40 PM
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Why do you specify women is my question? Because it is already well known and accepted that a woman that is hot will get what she wants from men even if she is horrible in her actions. That is not in discussion. What we are discussing is how in the eyes of women, being weak, unmasculine and shy is worse than being Epstein.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:36 PM
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I never speak about "shoulds" there are no "shoulds"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:33 PM
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Epstein was extremely socially accepted by everyone including and especially men I know. It is like doing everything he did had no real impact on people liking him. Why would you expect someone who was this accepted by his contemporaries to be shunned by women I don't. My entire point is that being shy, weak and unmasculine is worse in the eyes of women than running a pedophile ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:01 PM
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Every single human is in charge of deciding which behavior they reward and which behavior they punish.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:43 PM
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Or sorry they dislike weak and shy women more than they like criminals I fail to understand. Who is the one that dislikes weak and shy women more than they like criminals?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:42 PM
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where her single life is the standard men have to beat. Our bad. We made single life too comfortable. Until men decide that single life should be hell this result is on us.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:35 PM
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Where is the argument that criminality repels women? I haven't seen that here. Fair. It is a more vague "misogyny repells women" and that suddenly does not apply for serial killers. Visible misogyny repels women. Do you disagree? I disagree. Serial killers that kill women have more results than non misogynistic incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:11 PM
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So you accept that being mediocre is worse on the eyes of women than being Epstein. Considering Epstein was not an incel, It is clear mediocrity is more repellent than running a pedophile ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:09 PM
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Of course. I am not the one arguing that misogyny and criminality repels women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:15 PM
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I was talking about women. But it also applies to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:27 AM
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Where are women being introduced to weak, unmasculine, shy men? They live around them. Where are those men positively interacting with women? Not necessary. Woman who would possibly like those types of men aren’t the same as those that are wanting and interacting with criminals. As I said before. That is irrelevant. Serial killers get more results. That is wrong. There’s literally sites for people to find people in prison. They make headlines. They are in the news. They attract a certain type of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:26 AM
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So misogyny is not a factor. Charm is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:14 AM
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Women that send love letters to serial killers get those serial killers more results than the results a shy and weak non masculine, non serial killer will ever get. So they are more common than women that date shy weak unmasculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:13 AM
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Well your ultra rational, transactional approach doesn’t seem to be working. Found my partner 10 years ago and we are still together. The only benefit it gives is that you don’t need to acknowledge your own flaws and can blame everyone else for them, a comforting cowardly existence. See above. Benefit acquired. If you really were just transactional about love, you’d be hooking up with escorts, But you’re too poor for that lifestyle and it doesn’t seem like you want to work for it. Actions speak …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:01 AM
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If they were playing they would get worse results than Epstein. Agree or disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:59 AM
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Cool. You ignored the point. If you’re not going playing the game. You’re not going to win. You are well aware that this men can play the game for years and will never pull as much/many as Jeffrey Epstein
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:53 AM
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The world isn’t fair. If it was fair, laws wouldn’t need to exist to stop exploitation and violence. The world is not fair because people pick unfairly. Like choosing the rapist over the shy weak man. Rejection isn’t a failing on your character, it’s an acknowledgement of an incompatibility between two people. A flaw in the man's character that creates such incompatibility. You can change yourself as much as you want but you can’t change other people. Be happy they don’t pretend to be interested…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:53 AM
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If you’re not going playing the game. You’re not going to win. You are well aware that this men can play the game for years and will never pull as much/many as Jeffrey Epstein
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:48 AM
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Yes. And I do. Anyone that acts in the way I find fair gets help. Anyone that acts in the way I find unfair gets nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:46 AM
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Since when is the world fair? It is not. So we make it as fair as it can be and we punish the people that refuse to do so. During the entire human history we are trying to make the world a fair place. Different definitions of that term go to war.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:42 AM
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That implies that you’re entitled to their love because your more virtuous or whatever No. Believing in fairness and being entitled are two different things. If you were as virtuous as you claim to be, you would be ok with the rejection as it is something you cannot control. Why would I be ok with an action that creates an unfair situation? I can accept that it exists. But I don't have to accept it as moral or good or acceptable. You can be the juiciest peach but someone would only want an apple…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:40 AM
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I can't access anyone's mind. The end result is the same as dislike. The criminals on the list get better results than weak, unmasculine, shy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:37 AM
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The quality of the women that decide to date those men is absolutely irrelevant. Any is better than none.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:36 AM
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Read this subreddit. It is common for women to say that incel's hate from women can be seen by them and that is the reason they don't get any.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:34 AM
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This is an argument that supports OPs position
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:34 AM
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Men are quite open about how much looks matter when it comes to attracting a man. Men are not the ones saying that women without partners are failing because they are evil/criminals. If anything they say they are failing because they are older and can't compete in looks against younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:33 AM
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Irrelevant. For anyone with a sense of fairness it is morally wrong that the men mentioned by OP get better results than non criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:30 AM
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Which women? Enough of them. To the point that those men mentioned have better results than innocent incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:28 AM
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This does not contradict OP..if anything it provides another argument to support that position
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:27 AM
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The word "only" was not used by OP. Men are quite open about how much looks matter. Women are the ones that say incels lack of success is rooted in their hatred of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:26 AM
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Point to the hypocrisy. Different circumstances require different judgment. People that can pick from options get judged for picking wrong People without options don't get judged because they are not picking
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:07 PM
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Well... Women in countries that recognize women's rights have less children than women on countries that don't. The same applies to wealth. The wealthier the country the lower the birthrates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:46 PM
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Well of course. Women have options to pick from. Men tend to not have those.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:33 PM
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I am not aware of this channel/person. Will check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:18 PM
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The bigger the change you inflicte upon the world the bigger the unintended consequences. Instead of playing God it is safer for everyone included the one in control of said power to do something mundane with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:49 AM
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And men are the ones that enforce the rights of black men as well. Seriously. There is no society in which women get rights without men wanting the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:43 AM
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Women revolted and earned those rights that were reserved only for men. And men were and still are the ones that enforce those rights. If all men decide women have no rights there is no revolt that gives women anything. See literally every single society on earth. Unless there are men defending women's rights there are no women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:35 AM
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I would go for something more broad like "mind/will control" Anything that removes the hassle of having to deal with the free will of others would be good. It is more broad than just sex. I just don't like to deal with humans that refuse to play the role I need them to play. I remove people from my life if they don't fit in the role I need them in and I spend a considerable amount of time and effort to create incentive structures that keep the people around me in the role I need them. Anything t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:34 AM
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There is no place on earth outside the reach of the state and no way for anything other than a state to defend itself against a state. The state is for now the superior organization when it comes to the use of force. And the use of force determines what is possible and not. Unless you have a way to win against the state, it is useless to be against it. I am not going to waste my only life on a battle I can't win.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:25 AM
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Because as long as any state exist there is no libertarianism possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:03 AM
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You know we have guns right? Men have those too. Since the invention of guns men are still the ones enforcing rights. Is all you bring to the table. What Rambo fever dream do you live in that "saving" Women from OTHER MEN means you should be given sex? That was not part of anything I said. Mainly because of the word "should" If you are a moral human and an adult you would realize you protect people's rights because they are human not because you want pussy. I am not. I am a merchant. Everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:02 AM
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So you discovered Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks. That is well known. As long as you get what you want there is no reason to care about the details. You will never, ever know what lies in the mind of anyone. Your partner included. The only thing you can measure are actions. If you get her to do what you want whether she does it because of your looks or because of your money makes no difference. Get what you want in the way you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:27 AM
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When a vibrator can protect woman against the men that want to take those rights away then and only then the vibrator will win. The only reason that thought can be considered and said is because there are enough men protecting the rights women still have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:22 AM
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Giving rights to the detriment of self-interest? What rights were exactly taken away from men in the west to the detriment of their self interest? None. Men gave women rights to the detriment of men's self interest. Voting rights? Oh no, men took that away from women. Incorrect. Women had no rights to be taken away in the first place. Then men gave those rights to women. Property rights? Oh no, men again took that away from women. Incorrect. Women had no rights to be taken away in the first plac…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:07 PM
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But it is equal. Mindset or not that is the way equality looks like. No special treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:38 PM
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So your problem is with equality and not lack of sympathy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:17 PM
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You are unable to understand how deeply I envy that position.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:28 PM
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My bad. "A human is a body and the electrical/chemical patterns within it that distinguish it from a corpse"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:53 AM
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The first will never happen because women don't value men the way men value women. (A human is a body and the only way to value someone for what they are is to value the body) The latter is the only option. And I am more than ok with playing the only game I can play.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:44 AM
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Yes, no one is a very special snowflake Then everyone is replaceable for someone else that meets the standards. I'm sure even with very specific details, there's thousands of other men like me. See above The point is to connect with someone who meets your standards, but those standards have to select for things that actually have meaning beyond just looks and financial prowess. No. Those standards don't have to select for things that "have meaning" as you define whatever "have meaning" is. Those…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:13 AM
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If I want to be in a relationship with someone in particular, it means there's something about them as a person that attracts me to them. Anyone that meets your high standards. Not someone in particular. That is how standards work. Low or high. If I just want someone to be my partner, just to not feel lonely, there's nothing special about who they are, they're fundamentally replaceable. They are replaceable only if someone else is willing and able to fill the role. Is this difference hard to und…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:00 AM
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There's a common idea that people who have low standards are less picky (which is tautologically true), and that they are therefore more loving, more understanding, more accepting, and therefore less judgemental and forgiving; that they are more capable of loving deeply, or that they overlook specific flaws or traits. Compared to the people that have high standards. Which is true. Because the people with high standards are less likely to be loving, understanding, accepting, less judgemental and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:40 AM
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I don't agree that a man transitioning is any kind of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:12 AM
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You are well aware that is not the case. You know it. Everyone knows it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:46 PM
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You can be ignorant, gross and correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:38 PM
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✋
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:26 PM
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But is it wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:25 PM
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Equality is equality. The change required to get it can be for the better or for the worse. It is still equality
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:37 PM
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Holy long text. Men have no sympathy towards women In the west men have it. If you want to see how it looks when men don't have it look at the Islamic world. This is a long time brewing post, and it's going to be a long read. Long answer then. A lot of times here in debates i see men claim that women are treated better, that people are sympathetic to women automatically, simply because they are women. But is it so? Yes. Compared to men at least. In the western world. A lot of times i saw men com…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:05 AM
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Yeah, and now men in Afghanistan are rebelling against their incel overlords. Of course. Anyone that manages to piss off enough men gets kicked out. And rn, they are trying to turn us into Afghanistan but a Christian version. So, we do genuinely have to fight Christian fascism especially with the current climate of right wingers deciding to take away women's rights to appeal the evil incels For sure. Better get those men some GFs before they vote too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:55 PM
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I don't believe humans are so different. If it can happen in Afghanistan then it can happen in the west. Just piss off enough men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:40 PM
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If you kill my wife/kids cuz you can't get one yourself, imma stab you idc (I am a woman but from, you kill my loved ones, why would i desire you to be handled like a victim) Yeah... that does not bring anyone back. Better to go with the option that does not require violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:15 PM
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If unselected men become a threat, society is more likely to get rid of them then placate them That only works if those men's numbers are small and if the rest of the men are willing to get rid of them. If the unselected men are a majority then you don't have the strenght to get rid of them. Nevermind what would happen if a majority of men are not pissed off to the point of wanting to break shit up but pissed off enough to just do nothing while the motivated ones do what they want. Why would the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:52 PM
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I said the word "should"? Read again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:16 PM
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If you want something but you can't get it/ achieve that, you have to change to get it, or accept you can't. Apply that to ratial segregation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:44 AM
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Quote the part where I said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:01 AM
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Keeping people that infringe upon women's rights in jail. Does that count as something that men do for women? Because it is something that men can just stop doing while leaving women to their own devices.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:38 AM
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Fine by me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:00 PM
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I don't expect anything from anyone. If I expect that then I would not be thankful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:13 PM
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That's the issue of men then. I am not out here picking men to reward or grace with my mere presence You do it whether you want it or not I want to build a bond with someone where we know and understand each other deeply and moreso than anyone else and love each other. And you will create an incentive structure while doing so. This cannot be done if I am a walking g talkkng reward system. It can be done and it will be done because it can't be any other way. Shit men will pretend to be good to ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:12 PM
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I see this complaint here regularly. You do understand the state takes money from those who have it and gives it to those who do not including men? You do understand, to the extent many women get aid from the state it is because of children they are raising? Yes. I still believe the only way a human should get help is by convincing others to give help willingly without a state forcing it. More importantly, you do understand the state takes this money from women also to give to the less fortunate…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:08 PM
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This sets up the framework that women are rewards for men and their ability to not cause harm They are. Anything that someone wants is part of an incentive structure and therefore a reward. Why is it my job to give men who aren't shit people a reward? It is not. But you will create an incentive structure anyways. Because you are desired and through your picking you will tell men how they have to behave to get what they want. It makes me feel gross and like a state sanctioned prostitute Irrelevan…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:29 PM
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this is a man arguing women SHOULD be transactional and exchange sex they don't want for goods and money So far so good. That is correct to this point. and they should be dependents of men. That was not my point. My point is that women should not get resources from the state, they should get it directly from men. That way men get to pick the price. It is not moral that the state purse gun to a man's head and takes money from him to give it to women. Honestly, I don't think this is what most men …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:17 PM
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That's not the trade. The trade is you work for society because you benefit from society The only benefit men are interested in is access to women's bodies as you put it. If men are not getting it then why should they work for society instead of against it? Also, you ignored the rest of the post. Would women choose society over their own interests? I gave you a hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:39 PM
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Again, if this is a man's main leverage, it's his problem, not society's. If those men decide that society is an enemy that does not provide them with what they want it is society's problem. The problem with society is, men haven't learnt how to be women's equals when it comes to domestic labour and child rearing. And frankly, I don't even seen it as a problem. If you can't learn to value add to someone else's life, don't be surprised if you stay single. Not everyone is meant to have a partner, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:37 PM
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I am thankful towards the women that through picking men that wouldn't have anyone if it wasn't for them, keep men from destroying society. I am not thankful towards the women that don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:35 PM
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Should other previously oppressed classes of people also thank you for not enslaving them or are women the only class of people who owes thanks for having basic human rights? Great point. Sure. It applies to all classes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:33 PM
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But then, how will this make men less lonely or more sexed? Simple. The women that are unable to get everything they want from life on their own will have to get the rest through men and men will ask for sex in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:32 PM
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Why is men working for the good of society contingent on having access to women's bodies? Because that is how trade works. Either all parties get what they want or there is no trade. Women get radicalized from things like abuse, sexual violence, discrimination, harassment, etc. That is a reflection of what women want. And yet these women overwhelmingly become progressive to improve society, Not to improve society. To get what they want. Thought experiment. Let's say that women know for sure that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:27 PM
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Good thing I am not interested in a woman's heart. I want her actions. And I absolutely can through logic convince a woman that doing what I want is the best possible option available to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:44 PM
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Islamic countries. Enough said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:40 PM
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Because women are not strong enough to take anything from men (as a group) through force.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:55 AM
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If I believed in god I would curse him for giving me the desire to live the lifestyle while not giving me the chance to get it. If protection means not having a chance to live the way I want then I don't want protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:06 PM
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Then it is on me to manipulate the men I picked. I am ok with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:13 PM
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I know it comes with a lot of risks and I am ok with that. As long as there is a realistic chance to live the way I want to live at least for a while I would take them. If everything falls apart it is my fault. Either I picked the wrong person or I fucked up something in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:05 PM
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I absolutely would Is taking on the reproductive burden, orgasm gap, motherhood penalty, beauty standards, physical weakness - worth it? Yes. Still, would you make that choice, do you think it could benefit you overall? If yes, how so? I don't get to make use of strength in any way that matters. There are laws against doing so. And that is good. I don't care about the orgasm gap. I want to have control about whether I am a parent or not during the whole process and not only before sex happens. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:57 PM
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Nah. Just joking. A few mistakes but the idea is clear enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:00 AM
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I don't know what is to debate here. Isn't it a good thing to be proud of how you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:46 PM
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Are we too hard on AI posts?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:44 PM
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Any show of weakness is something I see as an opportunity. People that are strong are people that don't need me. People that don't need me are more likely to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:43 AM
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Those are the folks who cry a lot, struggle to believe you when you say you love them, and then say they’ll probably kill themselves if you ever broke up. Didn't need to sell it that hard. I was already interested. They’re also more likely to cheat if the opportunity presents itself, because their desperation makes it hard to not pursue all forms of attention Fair. It is on me to create an adequate incentive structure and to reduce the chances of said opportunity presenting itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:30 AM
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though i’d argue that a man desperate for a relationship would actually do better with women with a backbone than without one Back to the question then. Also why can't his back bone be the goal that he holds dear?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:27 AM
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Because being outside a LTR makes me want to take a bath with a working toaster. To put it in a way that reddit does not frown upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:27 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:19 AM
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Has to? Also why can't his back bone be the goal that he holds dear?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:18 AM
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Precisely what I said. He is not folding nor compromising in anything he holds dear for an end or goal. The goal is what he holds dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:49 PM
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Strenght is only a tool I use to get a relationship. If it gets in the way it is thrown away
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:48 PM
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there is something inherently unattractive about a man who might be willing to quickly fold or compromise on things he holds dear for an end goal Sounds like he holds that end goal dear and not whatever you thought he held dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:19 PM
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Lesson learned. Don't be up front. Become what others want from you. Take what you can get and shut up about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:18 PM
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there’s a difference between a man who is interested and intentional and upfront about what they want and a man who just wants a relationship, not necessarily caring that it’s with me But both options are perfectly compatible. A man can be interested, intention and upfront about wanting a relationship, not necessarily caring that it is with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:54 PM
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You didn't need to sell it that hard. I was already interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:52 PM
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That bypasses the whole concept of compatibility That is a positive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:50 PM
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Is there a difference between pretending to be something and building yourself to be something in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:50 PM
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Anything that requires you to spend close to a third of all the hours in your life is high effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:18 AM
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Forgot to add the hours you need to spend to achieve the rest of the list that is actually bare minimum
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:17 AM
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I said "alternative". As in, not the current option available today. Because that way is not working and there is not an alternative is the reason red pill thrives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:10 AM
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Any answer to the questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:09 AM
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Ok, less than the bare minimum requires you to spend how many hours a day doing something you would rather not do? How much time do you have to spend to meet the other requirements that are actually bare minimum? How much time a day is left to actually do something you want to do after you meet that bare minimum?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:54 PM
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A job means at least 8 hours of your day gone and that does not even consider the time at the gym. If the requirement is to waste half of your waking hours at least then for sure it is high effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:54 PM
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Why, then, do suppose you guys defend it with your lives? It is in the title. Society has failed to provide an alternative. And to be clear. An alternative means a path in which men can get sex, relationsips and children. If a man can't get those then it is not an acceptable alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:53 PM
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The same problem there is when I decide to hire X over Y. Y does not get what they want so they get to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:31 PM
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Always complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:52 PM
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Under the same logic one should not complain about bad conditions at work because any work is better than no work I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:48 AM
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You don't need to have an abundance of options laying at you feet to go actively search our the type of person you will actually like. That is not the argument. The argument is that you need the options in order to PICK. Not to search. The lazier you are in your search for a partner the more likely you are to meet people who aren't a good fit for yourself. If you want to rely solely on online dating you either better be really good at creating a profile or ok dating people who are less than what…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:43 PM
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Yes. They should keep pursuing women that are incompatible because any is better than none
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:42 PM
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I don't know how you managed to come up with this hypohetical scenario but I am interested in seeing what women think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:31 PM
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So morals and values on't matter, eh? Not what I said. I said that I, personally, care more about my partner (that I picked based on my own morals and valuess) than prejudice. Good. We won't hear any more complaints from you that women should reward sex to "good men, right?" See above Good men aren't bigots toward gay people. If those are your morals, defend them. I have nothing against it. Funny how even a sociopath (you claim) has no trouble holding completely inconsistent positions based on w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:45 AM
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Logic error based on a false premise. I quoted the premise from previous comment. Not my premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:42 AM
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Sure. If she can find him and is able to attract him and keep him for the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:53 PM
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tolerate prejudice, is what this boils down to? What it boils down to is to pick what matters to you and act accordingly. If you care about prejudice more than you care about your partner then sure, don't accept prejudice. we’re on the same page that homophobia is a prejudice, right? genuine Qs i’m more fascinated than anything by this take Yes. Same page. I care about my partner more than I care about prejudice. So I would tolerate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:52 PM
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why be with someone who gives ultimatums anyway? I don't remember when anyone brought up ultimatums. the gay friend isn't the issue, she's not the issue, the husband is the issue. Depends on the perspective. why go through all of this when there are men out there who won't even make this whole thing an issue. Maybe because humans are complex and they have positives and negatives. even in your first point already there is ultimatums and ranking system in a relationship that doesn't require a rank…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:47 PM
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Bloodless? That is new. Thank you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:42 PM
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Would you like it if your gf or wife affectionately called you her “Wallet ATM 🥰”? Of course you wouldn’t. Speak for yourself. No man would. Hi. Man here. Because it’s dehumanizing and reduces him down to his ability to provide money. Way too late for that. I already accept that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:28 PM
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what if a woman has a gay brother or a gay best friends and her boyfriend or husband is homophobic? That would mean picking between husband and gay best friend. Pick the one that is more important. If the woman picks the gay best friend, then that just means the gay best friend position is more important than the husband position and she will leave any kind of husband if they come at odds with gay best friend. what if she has a trans girl in her friend group and her boyfriend is transphobic? Sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:24 PM
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Then why antagonize with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:14 PM
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Men are stronger than women so what can woman realistically do. Accept reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:14 PM
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Women will never accept to pay for a kid they didn't even want to exist. Women not only want control over pregnancy, they want control over the consequences of having sex. It is not enough to have the right to interrupt the pregnancy if they can still be held responsible in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:19 PM
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You do understand that men are also the ones that implemented and enforce the laws that give women control over their bodies and reproductive gametes?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:47 PM
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How abut I don't deny it precisely so you weigh the situation you are in. Just for a change of pace.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:44 PM
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The thing with freedom and autonomy is that you can use those to make other's lives worse and you can't blame them for reacting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:25 PM
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Hi Lilith. This is really what women mean when they say nice guys are entitled. Because so many guys want a reason ( a trophy) for being the bare minimum of decent himan beings. That is how the world works. Populations react to incentives. You want a world filled with people that act good and avoid acting bad. Then punish bad and reward good. However, none of them seem to have ever asked themselves “Why should people put up with my shitty attitude?” "Because all other options available to that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:28 PM
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Or good sense for making cost benefit analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:26 PM
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And proud of being that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:15 PM
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Well of course. No manipulator that knows what they are doing would do so in such a way
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:57 PM
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Well you can be manipulative without lying. Then why use a definition of manipulation that includes lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:00 PM
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Found my partner 10+ years ago. Already got what I wanted using my methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:04 AM
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Newsflash. Most men would rather go through that than be incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:00 AM
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I'm also disabled as I have multiple disabilities and he was being paid to be my carer from the government so yeah. So he was stealing tax money as well. Quite a POS. Someone who controls, influences, or exploits others in an underhanded, deceptive, or unfair manner. It is manipulative because it's lying to decieve to reap rewards and benifits. Fair. If you define manipulation in a way that includes lying then sure Why make a distinction between the two then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:00 AM
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Right in the place no one can see and there is no evidence of it existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:58 AM
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Are you sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:45 AM
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You would not be able to see the difference between someone that helps because they are a good person and someone that is doing it out of a selfish reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:44 AM
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Simply refusing to ever do it, even when I begged and pleaded and after I had surgery and was in recovery. Refusing to do something is not using force. But I do give you that when you are vulnerable after a surgery anything can feel like a threat It was being manipulative, because if he had told me he never intended to clean I'd of broken up and never lived with him. That would be lying by omission. Not saying the truth with the intent of making the other party assume something beneficial. Not m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:43 AM
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You don't have to be a twat to manipulate people. Doing favors to someone in such a way that they feel in debt towards you to collect the favor in a latter day is manipulation. No damage. No lies. Just providing help with selfish motives to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:41 AM
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That sounds like lying by omission. Also Forced you? Which force did he use?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:40 AM
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I agree with the lying part. All your examples are about lying. You can manipulate without lying. It is better in the long term
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:35 AM
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Ah, and like clockwork, you are back to claiming this exceptionally tiny minority of women are actually super important and it doesn’t matter one tiny bit whether they are evil horrible women. They are not important. They are (partially) responsible for an unfair situation. They are women, so no matter how evil they are, you would gladly reward them for their terrible behavior with your undivided attention. If they valued my attention then we could say I am rewarding them. They don't. And that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:41 AM
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Do you think slave masters choosing stronger slaves for their bodies cared about them as a human being? No. They cared about their productivity. The results of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:37 AM
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It’s strange because when I said that interest means nothing if it’s not acted upon you disagreed but that is the basis which you use to determine that a criminal gets more interest than a non-criminal. The criminal is willing to act on the fact that other women want him while the good guys isn’t that’s the difference. No. The difference is the number of women interested. You just made that up with zero evidence. Serial killers have women interested in them. Non serial killer incels exist. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:01 PM
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Should not? Are you an arbiter on what should be?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:55 PM
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Sure. If we accept what you say as true and my definition then they don't care about me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:12 PM
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This isn’t really unfairness, though. The majority of women end up with average men. Why measure fairness at the end and not during the whole process? The world reflects that, therefore there is not much unfairness born simply out of the small percentage of women going for awful men. Any amount of unfairness is unfair. Also, how is the quality of the women not relevant? Because a woman interested in you is a woman interested in you now matter the quality of said woman. A woman who has a preferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:01 PM
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I never said men were good in this aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:58 PM
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My job cares about the results provided by my body. Not about my body.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:57 PM
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Why would that be fair? It just assumes romantic interest is a reward for being good it has nothing to do with “fairness”. Because either everything is subject to fairness or nothing is. But if the interest isn’t acted upon it means nothing. Says you. Plenty of good men have multiple women interested in them. Good. Not enough. Serial killers have more women interested in them than a boring non criminal. You think a man like Obama doesn’t have multiple women interested in him? The point is he’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:03 PM
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Yes, tax payers are owed a service from their government because they have paid for it in their taxes. That is literally what taxes are. Unless the majority decides they are not owed shit. Because democracy allows for that to happen. The argument you are using is lazy anyways. Women’s vaginas are not arbiters of morality because that is not their function—whether they care about morality in who they pick or not is irrelevant to this fact. Things are what they are used for. There is no inherent p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:58 PM
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But it is logically consistent. "If life is unfair" is a valid argument in any scenario it works for every scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:27 PM
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What would be considered fair in this case? That moral people get more people romantically/sexually interested in them compared to immoral people. Because it doesn’t make sense that a good guy would be dating multiple women and the same time or running through women. Interest does not have to be acted upon. So the proof is in the pudding as goodness contradicts cheating and promiscuity in men and women. See above. Also believing that women are a reward for being good is also not very good of you…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:11 PM
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Women’s vaginas are not the arbiters of morality. Because women don't care about morality when picking who they date. They’re not the judicial system. Only because women don't care about justice when picking who they date. Romantic attention is not owed, therefore it’s not relevant to fairness. Everything is relevant to fairness or nothing is. An individual can pick their partner using fairness and therefore it is relevant to fairness. Other things are owed, and the government has an obligation …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:08 PM
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You are right, you could apply "life isn't fair" to these, but you would be a trash man. What is trash is an argument that can be used to defend those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:01 PM
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Infringement? Who talked about infringement? If the individual cares about fairness they will apply it when picking a partner and there would be no infringement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:59 PM
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Ok. Should we apply that to ratial inequality? Economic inequality? Women's rights? Because "life isn't fair" applies as a defense for all types of unfairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:55 PM
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Sure. But for the people that actually have fairness as a principle they believe it should apply to everything. Either fairness matters or it doesn't. Either applies to everything or to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:51 PM
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Fairness. The reason is fairness. The fact that a felon can get more women interested in him than a boring non criminal seems unfair to anyone that has some sense of fairness. And as I always tell you, the quality of the women is not relevant. The obsession is not about those women. It is about the unfairness that is born out of their decision to pursue a terrible human as a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:46 PM
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Right so back to my original question, explain the men who will fuck your body when they hate that part of it? How it that humanizing? A human may have many traits and the sum total of negative and positive traits may be over all positive. Of that party of the cost is the most important part to me why is then poking the meat sack pay with their penis supposed to make me feel great when they hate the rest of me? It is not supposed to make you feel great. My argument is that it is humanizing when …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:32 PM
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There is no person inside the body. The person and the body are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:10 PM
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If that is the price to pay to get what I want from life. I only have one and I am not wasting it by not getting what I want out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:25 AM
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It is not what I want in return. So there is no trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:47 AM
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Those actions can only be carried out by your body Yeah. But I remain the same person even if I change my actions so it follows that my actions are not part of who I am. Gay men also care more about you than your friends and family, and even your partner. They are in fact the most caring people in your life, because they care about your body the most Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:21 AM
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The first is correct. The latter is not. Employers care about my actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:43 AM
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Then they never cared about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:21 AM
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If the only part of a human you care about is a body go fuck a corpse- a body that has no personality or feelings or thoughts. I already mentioned the chemical/electrical patterns within a body. Those make the difference between a corpse and a human.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:21 AM
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I don't think you quite understood my reply. I'm not arguing against what you said. what I'm arguing is: how can you understand a human being without observing their behaviors and reactions? even the most advanced medical technology cannot tell you who that person is fundamentally, even in a biological sense. however, it is possible to infer something about them by observing their actions (even if the actions are a result of who they are and not the other way around). Fair. I see your point. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:23 AM
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"Caring about" in the context of this discussion, lusting after.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:45 AM
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however I do think actions, reputation, and skills are an outcome of the inherent identity of the person and necessary for understanding who that person is. And I disagree because we can take a human, remove the reputation, remove the skills, change their behavior and they would have not became someone else, they would remain the exact same human.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:33 AM
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Have you ever spent time around someone who was dealing with dementia? Because the loss of self is really apparent. Grandmother. Alzheimer. Multiple years. Some horrible shit to see. I would still argue that she remain herself even when her mind was definitely unrecognizeable. I can't find an argument to say she became someone else. You might still be human, but lose the person that you were. See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:31 AM
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I can forget how to speak english and remain the same human. I can forget any skill I have and I would still be me. The same applies to all humans. Lose the skills, you did not become someone else. You are the same person just without those skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:19 AM
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But for all the men who just want a body, any body how is that hunanizing to the women? Because a human is a body. And being cared about for your body means being cared for the human you are. A body. The alternative is being cared about for what you have or what you do, which is not being care about as a human but as a tool. If she can be replaced with any other warm body and he doesn't like her personality, how is that validating to her? I didn't say it was validating. I said it was humanizing.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:17 AM
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That does not sound like dependency. Actual dependency means non functionality when you are lacking the thing/person you are dependent upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:13 AM
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Sure, and expecting pay in order to work makes me lazy. And expecting monogamy in order to be in a relationship makes me controlling. Nothing in life is free. And that includes restrain. That includes peace. The people that "don't need compensation" are already recieving it. They are living in a society that provides them with what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:12 AM
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It makes me nothing. It makes me whatever I become based on my surroundings. Water has no shape. It takes the shape of the container it is in and fills the gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:07 AM
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For sure. I included the electrical/chemical patterns within the body in the definition of what a human is. I just didn't include actions nor posessions/reputation/skills. Because you can lose all of those and the human remains the same identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:05 AM
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You can't expect something in return for not being actively harmful. Yes I can. That is how having nukes works. You expect the rest of the world to care about what you say because you can end the world with a button. The same goes for men and the ability they have to just end society when they decide not to cooperate with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:03 AM
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Is there any difference betwen relying on someone and needing them? Using your definitions of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:01 AM
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A human is a body and the electrical/chemical patterns within it. To care about a body is to care about a human. Everything else is not part o what a human is. Everything else is part of what a human does or what a human has. You would remain the same human even if you change every single aspect of your behavior. You would remain the sae human even if you lose everything you have, including reputation and skills. You are what is left when everything else is lost or changes. The body and the elec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:59 AM
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I do want to agree with you but I am sure we have different definitionson what "a healthy amount of dependency on your partner" is. Please define the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:53 AM
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Oh so women are entitled to men acting to benefit them without getting anyting in return. Good to know where you stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:51 AM
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As long as they remain a minority, you are correct. If they are no longer a minority then chances are you can't win against them. And the way to keep them a minority is for them to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:49 AM
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I hope you are correct. I don't know if I would place a bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:47 AM
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Ok. Next question. Are women entitled to men defending them against those dangerous extremists? Or are men free to just decide to sit that one out and let chips fall where they may?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:47 AM
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Didn’t you say that you would have sex with strange men if it were the only way to keep them from committing suicide? Care to bring up the context as well? "If it was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that the direct cause for that suicide is the lack of male attention/sex" How does that square with not intervening if you see a child or elderly person being harmed on the street? Beyond a shadow of a doubt there are other people that should be responsible for the child and the elderly. Thought …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:40 AM
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Well that is the thing with democracy. Every single voter gets the same say and you will either convince the extremists by giving them enough of what they want so they vote your way or you make sure that the conditions are good enough so most people don't end up as extremists. And this is not a matter of empathy. It is a matter of keeping enough men on your side to make what you think is right and wrong something that can be enforced.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:21 PM
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See the Islamic world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:33 PM
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Great question. I care about neither. Children have their parents. Elderly people have their savings relationships they bothered to build for when they are no longer able to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:11 PM
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In the event it did happen, people would no longer be legally entitled to physical safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:01 PM
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And countries/societies like that get stomped by ones that have rule of law and respect for others. Because oppressive or chaotic societies are not efficient They continue to exist so they are not stomped.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:30 PM
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Sure. I give you that. Now if that group keeps growing and they don't care if they are called toddlers they are still a problem that needs addressing. Or you can ignore them until the group becomes impossible to ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:18 PM
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Does using your freedom and vote to decide which things to support and which things to ignore count as a threat? Because if that is the case then might as well throw democracy and freedom out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:16 PM
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The Islamic world continues to exist. Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:00 PM
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Remember alcohol prohibition? Men are well able to ignore existing laws when they don't want to follow them and when enough men decide to do it there is nothing useful to be done against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:55 PM
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It may be fragile. I don't care. My support for any cause is for sale. If I get paid I support equality and shit. If I don't then I will support the opposite side.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:40 PM
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Blaming everyone but yourself is a child like response to avoid responsibility for your bad actions. And that was what Adam did in that story. Act like a kid. And when it comes to understanding good and evil he was a kid. He was found soon after coming to understand that he did wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:23 PM
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No. I will use voting and indifference. I will vote for extremists and don't move a finger when violence happens. A small number of violent men can do a lot when a majority of men just don't want to stop them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:21 PM
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Without the understanding of good and evil how can someone even understand that disobeying god is wrong? If anything free will without the understanding of good and evil can only end in evil because the free entity does not know the difference. They will eventually do evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:16 PM
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I mean... The entire point of the story is that it is supposed to be man's first encounter with the understanding of good and evil. Blaming everyone else for the bad you committed is a childish response and Adam could not have responded in any other way. When it came to dealing with good and evil he was quite literally at a child's level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:14 PM
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When in history was a good idea to ignore a group of men that are angry and increasing in number?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:10 PM
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If men ignored laws during alcohol prohibition because they didn't feel like stop drinking then why is it so hard to believe that they could apply the same to other laws? Laws and rights were never about morality. They are about having enough men with guns willing to defend whatever is considered a right and to punish whatever is considered a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:00 PM
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Good to know the risks. Now remember that legality and morality take a backseat to reality. Without enough men willing to enforce rights (put offenders in jail and scaring would be offenders) those rights don't exist and it doesn't matter if they are written into law.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:58 PM
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Morality takes a back seat to reality. Without enough men willing and able to enforce rights (putting offenders in jail and scaring would be offenders) those rights don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:56 PM
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Of course. Ignoring someone that has those beliefs is the way you allow them to increase in numbers but of course you are entitled to ignore the incoming trouble until it is too big to be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:49 PM
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As a society, we've agreed that we owe it to each other to not assault or murder each other. That's why our elected leaders have passed laws prohibiting those activities. Everyone does owe everyone their physical safety. And what if a significant percentage of the population no longer buys into this. Or at least they don't buy in for free. Sure if they are a small percentage of the population you might be able to send them to jail. But if enough men decide that if they are not getting what they …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:48 PM
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Ok. So if men are free to do so. Then the argument made by OP makes more sense. He is arguing that men should use that freedom to put a price on their support for systemic equality. Either they get payed the price and they support equality or they don't get payed the price and they do not support it. If enough men don't get paid and stop supporting systemic equality then well... It goes the way of the dinosaurs. Which can be stopped by paying the price.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:45 PM
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Just for fun let's say that is the argument. Are women entitled to men not being as dangerous as extremists say they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:42 PM
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Just to know your perspective. Are women entitled to an individual man's support for systemic equality? Or is a man free to decide if he supports systemic equality or doesn't? If he is free to support or oppose systemic equality then he is also free to decide under which circumstances he will support systemic equality. And such a circumstance may be "I am getting relationships/sex"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:41 PM
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Can you elaborate? The mental state of people alters how they spend their money. People don't vote or shoot schools based on their dating lives. People use their dating lives as rationalisations for their pre-seated biases and/or inclinations that inform their choice of vote or to shoot up a school. Bold to believe that. Willing to bet lives and the political future of your country on you being right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:42 PM
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All three statements are consistent with what society believes. All three statements are presented without an argument backing them up. That was the point. In a debate, a statement without an argument backing it up tends to be insufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:18 PM
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This one Both statement have the same number of arguments backing them up as yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:58 PM
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It means that there is no competition in men. Men will be attracted to the woman that brings stability. Women in the other hand are not attracted to almost all men in the way men are attracted to almost all women. That means it is unlikely that a man will bring both attraction and stability. Chances are a man will bring only one of those to the table. Let alone the fact that unstable men have way more success in the dating world so we can argue that stability is less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:47 PM
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Of course it is only for the woman. Men want to fuck anyone that is an adult human female that is alive. And some freaks can ignore some of the items in that list.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:43 PM
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It isn't. Being homeless signficantly reduces one's quality of life and puts then in the face of much more harm than if they were housed. Oh so you can live is just that life is significantly worse? Same for dating/not dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:42 PM
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material: relating to physical objects or money rather than emotions or the spiritual world A useful definition. An issue defined as material can be important/not important based on arguments provided. Immaterial: not important; not likely to make a difference Bad definition. By including dating inside that definition you are, by definition saying it does not matter/makes no difference. An issue that is defined as immaterial would become by definition irrelevant with no need of arguing why it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:41 PM
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I have to admit that reading this elicits nothing but horror Thank you. but I read more about your condition, and you quite literally cannot help it, and thus I commend you for taking your partner into such consideration in that you told her exactly what was happening. Thank you and this time is less of a dark humor kind of joke. I do care about consent so I refuse to enter into a relationship with someone that is not fully informed about what they would be getting into.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:28 PM
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Owning a home is a largely optional experience. Not needed to live. Actually having electricity is a largely optional experience considering that most of humanity lived full lives without it during the majority of our existence as a species.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:26 PM
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Starvation and slavery are significant material problems, so wealth inequality and racial inequality are valid concerns. The problems that arise from dating are insignificant and immaterial, so it is not a valid concern. Provide a definition for "material" and "immaterial" problems so I can engage honestly and properly with the argument. "Insignificant" is what we are discussing so that is just a presumption fallacy. Begging the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:22 PM
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Correct. Present arguments and then we can address them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:15 PM
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That was not the argument. You are moving the goalpost. The point is that wealth equality is not needed to live. In the same way that having a partner is not needed to live. I can concede that reducing wealth inequality will improve the life of those that have less money... Just as having a partner would improve the life of those that have no partner...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:11 PM
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You need some money to live. Wealth inequality does not make a man unable to live, it does make that man unable to become as rich as the wealthiest are. So you don't need wealth equality to live. In those aspects both wealth equality and a partner are not needed to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:08 PM
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That was the question. Would that woman actually desire that man or is she making a sensible decision that puts other qualities above how desireable that man is?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:07 PM
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Ok. So they are not equivalent then. Why? What makes one issue a valid concern and not the other? Come on. The argument is just there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:03 PM
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Go on. You are quite close to providing an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:00 PM
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My turn. Wealth inequality is not and has never been a valid concern. Ratial inequality is not and has never been a valid concern. Both statement have the same number of arguments backing them up as yours. I am open to discuss why it is not a valid concern but the statement without the argument is not enough. Edit: auto correct
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:56 PM
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Does your partner know that she’s only there so that you don’t kys? She knows. She deserves to make fully informed decisions. Altering your behavior and mannerisms, how? The way I speak and address issues. I am not considerate by nature. I must choose to be that way. I treat most issues without any passion nor care. I do need to be considerate with issues that my partner feel strongly about. The ways in which I decide to express affection must also change to fit the way she receives it. Contrary…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:15 PM
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To be fair those are quite good moments.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:01 PM
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What is it you want out of it? Monogamy. Long term stability. Romantic displays of affection. Shared time. Sex. In that order. All required. If all present I no longer want to kiss a moving train. How do you want it to look? As long as those elements are there I don't care. Everything else is up for negotiation. Why is the woman there? Because her life is better in a relationship with me compared to how her life would be outside a relationship with me. What’s her purpose? She is a human and has …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:00 PM
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Why would a woman want to be with someone who sees them as less than? Less than what? Less than who? I treat and see everyone as equal. Equality also applies when you see everyone and everything as a tool. To answer the question. She might want to be with someone like that if every other option in her life is worse. As I said, incentive structures.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:09 PM
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Everyone has a price. So the answer is yes and the price would change depending on the circumstances and details of the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:39 AM
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Because when I am outside a long term relationship I feel like taking a bath with a working toaster. Also, women are not bad per se. They are reacting to the incentive structure they are in. Change the incentive structure, change the behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:38 AM
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But men especially need to be more than a loyal dog. This sentence is the important one. Men need more than being loyal. A woman that is loyal is more likely than not, enough and does not need more. Maybe because men value loyalty enough to not need more than that. Maybe because their standards are so easy to meet that when a woman brings loyalty to the table she is overqualified.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:59 PM
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This does not answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:29 PM
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There is a chance of winning.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:27 PM
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Rich people have power because money can be used to get what people want. If money does not give men what they want (women, relationship, sex, children) because women decided to just...not. For whatever reason. Then rich people have no power. Their money is no longer something men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:06 PM
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If you provide a great life for your girlfriend, fiancée, or wife, and you feel that you've worked hard and earned the lifestyle you have, do you think that gives you the right to occasionally sleep with other women? It does not give me the right. It gives me leverage to use to obtain whatever I want to get in the relationship. Or use that as a condition to be with them if certain circumstances occur? Anyone has the right to apply conditions. Example: she has a kid with someone else, or she has …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:45 PM
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Men can win a contest of violence against other men. The loser gets as many rights as the winner allows. That is just what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:40 PM
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Men have had no problem oppressing each other and taking away each others rights Obviously. Men can win a fight against other men so the loser gets no rights. Or as many rights as the winner allows them to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:39 PM
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So you know a lot of historical societies in which women were able to enforce women's rights without the help of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:38 PM
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But what if she disagrees with your analysis and would prefer the bear because it won't plot and scheme to force her into sexual servitude? She is free to be wrong. Ultimately, if you're going to fuel a negative view of men, can you fault women for disliking or hating men based upon your view of men? I can't blame someone for their feelings. Feelings are something you don't control. Feelings are the stupid part of people. I can blame them for deciding to act on feelings over rationality though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:49 PM
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Fair. How can you fault a woman for deciding she wants nothing to do with men for believing what you say about them? Because a bear wants nothing from women so there is no negotiating available. If the bear wants you dead then you are dead. Men want something from women so there is a negotiation to be had. Both sides can trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:39 PM
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There is no need to turn to violence. It is enough to just stop helping women in all circumstances. No help through the state. No defending against any threat. Full social ostracism. If women want anything from men they can get it by giving men what they want. That is enough. Women can only get acceptable lives because they get help from men through the state. Remove men willingness to help women unless they get what they want out of the deal and the problem solves itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:35 PM
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That means they are still a minority. That is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:32 PM
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Either society gives men what they want or (when the disappointed are numerous enough) they will bend society so they get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:19 PM
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Both parties can be at odds or they can align their self interests. If they can't get their self interests aligned then just take a look at history.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:54 PM
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So why should a man support a society that does not give him what he wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:34 PM
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You may be right but unless they believe they have a realistic chance it doesn't matter. Not only it has to be true but they have to believe it is true. Maybe the latter is enough if the former is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:30 PM
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“yeah men are cray and violent and sexually impulsive will spiral into societal fuckshit without access to a female” Not crazy. Not impulsive. Though it could be. Knowing that one has one single life to live there is absolutely no reason to accept a society that you truly came to believe gives you no viable path to live your life in a manner you find worth living.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:29 PM
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Accidentally? It was on purpose. Also. Anti male propaganda? It was not anti male at all. It was a basic analysis of reality. Society exists because most men believe said society gives them a realistic chance to get what they want (women, a relationship, sex, children) If enough men don't believe society gives them that chance then they will consider that society an enemy and act accordingly. You can't expect someone to just give up on getting what they want from life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:57 PM
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Physically attractive? As long as she is fit enough to move. Unless she is unable to move due to accident or illness in which case I drop all fitness criteria. Attractive enough to be considered for a serious relationship. That is when it gets weird. What I want is her best as defined by her past. By her past actions in previous relationships. And I want that because women do want my best and would not be ok with me being myself instead of my best. That means that if she spent part of her 20s/ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:21 PM
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I am arguing for individuals to act on their own self interests
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:19 PM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:07 PM
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Entirely personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:51 PM
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Never cared but gave women rights and freedom out of how much they did not care?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:31 PM
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Oh so women convinced them to give them rights. So giving men a reason to act in the interest of women works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:04 PM
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Correlation not causal link.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:03 PM
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How is this relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:58 PM
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Men’s threats to women tend to involve institutional disenfranchisement, violence, or sexual assault. All things that egregiously ignore consent and violate the other person. Yes. Because men if they want to, can follow up on that threat. Women’s threats to men involve leaving men the hell alone lol. Not violating his agency, autonomy, nor rights. Not doing a single non-consensual thing to him. Yes. Because women, if they want to, can follow up on that threat. If women could make a credible thre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:49 AM
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I'm sorry, this whole thing is about how men are lonely and need women. And now you say that men slave for women... and you mean marriage - the thing that supposed to actually make men less lonely? Exactly. They slave away to not be lonely/incels. Do you see something weird here? No. Pointing out how men are willing to slave away.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:29 AM
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So... If men have issues with women (no relationship nor sex) they don't care about women's issues and become a problem? That is the reason to care about men not getting any.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:26 AM
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that means you admit that it's not chicken and egg situation Fair. First women stopped giving men what they wanted and then men stopped caring. they did it under enormous pressure. Enormous pressure from...?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:25 AM
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They threaten men with no sex and leaving then alone? Yes. That is a threat. That is not a life worth living. Are you serious? Yes. Are women just supposed to be here for men to allow them to live so men can rape them? No. This is a negotiation. You don't have to accept the trade. (Thanks for the blatant misogyny here btw. Guys deny it all the time but your quite happy to admit this is how they wish it was) I am saying this with no hate. So it is not misogyny. Sexist maybe. Not misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:23 AM
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Just one example. Marriage. Men enter into it to not lose their relationship (access to sex) and by doing so they accept that half of everything they earn is no longer theirs. Maybe more than half. The day she decides to leave he loses half of everything he worked for (or more). They accept it. They accept to slave for half of their working hours for no earning (because what they earn is not theirs to keep)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:21 AM
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Precisely. And they were convinced to give women's rights and freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:16 AM
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Are you living under Sharia law? If the answer is "no" then men care enough about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:15 AM
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The answer to your question would be " for the same reason I should care about the list of issues mentioned "
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:11 AM
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Women aren’t threatening mens basic human rights because they can’t control them, so no, women are not the selfish ones here Because they can't follow on this threat. They threat men with loneliness and inceldom. A threat they can follow on. That is the threat. And it works. Because men want relationships and sex. And no, it’s not a negotiation, women don’t want anything from men, they want to live their own lives without being discriminated against So you want men to allow you to live such live…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:10 AM
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Did you seriously miss the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:01 AM
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And thus allowing the number of men that remain outside relationships to increase, increases the number of men that don't care about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:00 AM
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No political party or movement cares about anything other than getting into power and staying in power.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:57 AM
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Because It shows the outright audacity and selfishness of modern men. Or the audacity and selfishness of modern women that want support from men without showing support for them. Both sides are selfish. If either side wants something from the other they will have to trade. Women expected to solve mens problems or men will use scrap whatever they have to take away woman’s basic human rights. That is the negotiation. Women want something from men, men want something from women. If a trade does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:56 AM
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It is comparable. Men do end up slaving away in order to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:38 AM
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Because those men probably had women they actually cared about, had some morality and principles, and they wanted women in their life be happy. So men can vote for women's interests instead of their own. That is enough. Now that we established that it is a possibility that means that it is better to care about men's issues in an effort to convince them to vote for your own interest instead of against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:30 AM
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Chicken and egg situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:20 AM
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How was giving women rights and freedom in men's self interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:19 AM
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Because men vote. Even if you don't give a single solitary duck about a demographic you would benefit if that demographic votes in a way that is aligned to your interests and you would suffer if they start voting against your interests. In a democracy that is the reason to care about any issue that affects any demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:08 AM
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I know now. And I will remember every single time women want anything from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:37 AM
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Due to my condition I only have egoism to work with. To create a system of ethics based on that was a necessity for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:45 PM
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Its your first date with a gal and she asks you , " what women do you admire". Would the question be offputting to you, would you be able to answer it? It would be a yellow flag. The answer would be Ayn Rand. The answer is truthful and I would get information out of the reaction. She's asks "what men do you admire"? Would the question be offputting to you, would you be able to answer it? It would be a yellow flag. I would ask why does she want to know. I would say Elon Musk. The answer could be …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:07 PM
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Correct. Without the incentive of not being an incel I would be glad being the social equivalent of a pet rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:58 PM
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Sounds about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:42 PM
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I suppose if you're just a lazy type of person. Or I prefer to be dependent on someone that loves me over being dependent on a boss/corporation/clients Personally I am a very independent woman. dependent on a boss/corporation/clients I like people. I like my career. I like my money. I like none of those. Never in my life have I yearned to be a housewife. I don't understand you but I can imagine how that could be possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:30 PM
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The way you put it across makes it seem very transactional (not against it btw cuz I do believe every relationship is somewhat transactional albeit to different extents). It is transactional. Every relationship is transactional. I don't even get to the first date unless I pay in time and effort to become attractive. Do the both of you genuinely love each other or do you and her both see it mostly as a form of transaction and fulfilment of duties? I believe the answer is both. When love falters d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:20 PM
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First, It relies on the false premise that the only way to save some man's life is by fucking them. Of course not. There are a multitude of other actions such as calling the authorities, calling family, or simply having a long deep discussion. The entire point of the hypothetical scenario is to put women in a situation in which the options are to have sex with men to save men's life or letting them die. Do you believe that if the scenario was properly worded to give those two options and only th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:29 AM
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Fair enough. The scenario could have been better worded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:24 AM
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Men get what they give. In the west? Women's rights even to the detriment of their self interest. Do you believe that women in the west do give men rights even to the detriment of their self interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:18 AM
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I did say my take could be uneducated. It doesn't have to be ISIS, any culture that can outbreed the rest will do. And as a general rule, the more freedom women have the less kids they choose to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:57 AM
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Muslims outbreed western culture and take over via democracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:53 AM
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Give me a choice taken and I can try to guess the consequence. Without a choice to begin with I have nothing to build upon
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:45 AM
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I do see people, and myself, as a resource.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:44 AM
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I don't know. Depends on the choices made. I can't see the future. I can only make an educated guess. Or an uneducated one. Makes no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:34 AM
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There is no such thing as a "should". Women "should" do whatever they believe is in their self interest. Do what you want and live with the consequences. Don't complain about them. You earned them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:31 AM
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"If it was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:30 AM
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I adressed this in another comment. I can understand how it would be stupid to act to benefit others when the result of it would make you incapable of helping others in the future. First you need to keep yourself sane and healthy enough to endure until the next time you can help someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:29 AM
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Lets try to make a long story short enough to be read but with enough info to be somewhat useful. First thing: I met my partner 10+ years ago. I don't have problems with dating currently so I am going to speak about the times before. I was raised on platitudes. "There is someone out there for anyone" "Just be yourself" "Be a good man and eventually you will meet her" I had no reason to trust on my inexperienced eyes over the people that are supposed to care about me and my future. Obviously it d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:28 AM
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If it not in some way beneficial to them getting sex, everyone can rot Good to know someone gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:57 PM
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Women can persist for sure... see the islamic world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:54 PM
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And I can promise there are vanishingly few males who would give their asshole virginity to a mentally ill individual I can believe that. with severe mental illness? Lol that’s wild. And let’s say in this hypothetical how many times does a woman have to give up her body to save this man? Once? 10 times? Bc I some how doubt this mentally ill individual will be cured by one 3 minute fuck session. I don't know. It was not part of the scenario. If you are interested in expanding it then add details.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:45 PM
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I am afraid I don't understand the question. Pleas re phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:43 PM
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A valid alternative for the hypothetical scenario. I doubt it would happen because no one, not even men, care about men killing themselves but still a valid alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:41 PM
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Still dodging the hypothetical scenario. Not that I disagree with your points, but all of them are ignoring the hypothetical scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:10 PM
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"without a shadow of a doubt"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:09 PM
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If we aren’t interested in doing so to keep lonely men from hurting us, why would we do it to keep them from hurting themselves? Thank you for making it cristal clear. Honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:08 PM
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Not moving the goalpost was already "without a shadow of a doubt" in OP. Also, in the same OP it says "It is the root of" not merely "significantly increases risk of death"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:04 PM
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It says it’s the root cause but doesn’t say sex is the only solution. Fair enough. The scenario could be better worded. I give you this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:45 PM
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Beyond the shadow of a doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:44 PM
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Not the scenario described. The scenario described includes proving it beyond the shadow of a doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:44 PM
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Yes. Even if I don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:10 PM
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You are just dodging the hypothetical. It doesn't matter how it doesn't work. It was proven to not work without a shadow of a doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:09 PM
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I would do both if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that doing those are the best and only way to save lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:08 PM
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How about volunteer to donate your asshole to some unattractive gay guys to make them feel better. Male here. Straight as well. If it was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that doing so would save lives I would do it. It would be deeply immoral not to do it. And frankly I am quite appalled at the response women had to this scenario. I had an idea of how little they care about men compared to their own comfort but I didn't think the situation was this extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:07 PM
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Why does it need to be widely proven. Because that was the base of the hypothetical scenario described by OP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:04 PM
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Who said the only option was to fuck them? Why would that scenario instantly mean that the only option is for women to pity fuck sad men? It was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt inside this scenario. Why not invest research and support for men who are so codependent on sex, they will kill themselves without it. Because the solution was already found. Without a shadow of a doubt. How is that not seen as a bigger systemic issue for men? Because the solution was already found. Now it is in the han…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:03 PM
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Maybe the tiny detail that is that this hypothetical scenario was not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? The question is designed to see if women would save men's lives or keep themselves comfortable if those were the only options available.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:26 PM
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Thank you for reinforcing my argument/position
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:17 PM
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Thank you. Seriously. You made me realize how far away I am from women in this subreddit and for sure women in general. Would you change your views and behaviour? If it was proven without room for doubt that sexlessness and lack of MALE attention and validation is the root cause for the rates of male suicidality I would consider it immoral to not act and I am absolutely straight and feel repulsion when I think about having sex with men. But not doing something to avoid someone dying when it is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:07 PM
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And how would that be monitored and enforced? Does the government decide who was too sick? What about exhaustion? Does that count as a medical issue or not? What about just medically unexplained pain? It is an agreement between private parties. If you can get to that point with an employer why can't you get to the same point with a human? Your simple solution is an empty dismissal you didn’t think about at all. See above. I don't have to re invent anything. It is one example of something that co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:21 PM
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Which account would be my second one? This is news for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:53 PM
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People that you had to talk to and see on a near daily basis, does their temperment and behavior matter to you? Not as much as how useful and reliable they are. Would you want to hang out with a person who is unpleasant and rude? Would you call that person your friend? If they are useful and reliable, yes. Would you want a roommate that is inconsiderate and self centered? I can work with self centered. I just have to make sure they know that their self interest and mine are aligned. As long as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:33 PM
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Not a rich older man. A man that is in arguably the highest position of power in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:35 PM
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I won’t because sugar dating can be exclusive and long-term. Not long term. Eventually the woman stops being a sugar baby. Also renewable agreements have a date for renewal that can be used as date of end of agreement. Men say the same thing about dating. So? So it is not exclusive. Because the sugar baby is considering other options all the time. It is her job to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:24 PM
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Since nobody can promise honestly they can fulfill that duty (and never be sick or have a medical issue), it is nonsensical to build any marriages around it. Then define the duty in a way that excludes medical issues. I am not a genius and I can think of that. Yes, you beleive that because you beleive sexual servitude is the only possible duty a woman could ever fulfill. Not true. I believe women would have an issue with any duty because they don't like the idea of losing freedom. Women fulfill …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:21 PM
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You cannot always fulfill that duty, even if you intend to. You’d be punished for failing to get an erection or just for being sick or having a medical problem. If I can't always fulfill my duty then I should not have taken that duty upon myself. It is on me to solve that or to be punished for failing to fulfill my duty. You can stop whining that women don’t have to sign up to be rape slaves already. Not the point. I said hat women have a problem with having a duty towards their partners. Things…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:00 PM
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Melania and Trump are a solid couple. Really? That is your argument? A position so rare that it literally is one of a kind and can't be replicated? Plus in medieval times people arranged marriage for political and business reasons We are not in medieval times. Most men on earth don't get to be of political/business relevance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:07 PM
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Believe me. It is neither. By the nature of the agreement there is constant competition (not exclusive) and the arrangement has a final date either because it is renewable (and thus can end at any time) or because she will stop being a sugar baby some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:48 PM
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Sugar dating. Not long term. Not exclusive. .
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:34 PM
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Long term exclusivity is not for sale. If it was for sale then you would have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:28 PM
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Suffer the consequences of picking the wrong man. I rather have a shot and risk failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:02 PM
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Sure. I have no problem against having a duty towards my partner. My problem is that women do have a problem with having a duty towards their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:53 PM
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I believe you. My argument stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:22 PM
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Sexual and relationship market value that comes with existing instead of being earnest through being successful in your actions and decisions. Being attractive to a gender that is willing to support your lifestyle without you needing to work assuming you are a good enough partner. Women can work or become stay at home partners/mothers because men are willing to pay. Since I was born a male I need to earn my sexual/relationship market value and working is not an option, it is the only viable way …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:48 PM
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You do realize that in that scenario where a man is willing to provide for you without working, you’d be raising kids, not just sitting around working on your tan. Yes. I rather spend time with my family or working directly on my home than work for a boss/client/corporation. Furthermore you don’t have to be a woman for that. Theres plenty of stay at home dads and it’s becoming less stigmatized every day. You are well aware that those men and the women willing to support them are a statistical an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:46 PM
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I am a heterosexual male. And I would gladly change my position with a heterosexual woman. It is frankly frustrating to see women have every single advantage I would have loved to have and waste it trying to live in the only way I have available to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:35 PM
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I guess, let me re-phrase, would you be ok with duty sex that involves you being penetrated? Because that is a very big difference in how it feels. Being penetrated is completely different from being the penetrator. If that was already what you were referring to, then never mind. I was going off the assumption that you were doing the penetrating My duty is "to fulfill my partner's sexual needs" The answer is yes. I will fulfill my duty. As for sex being physical, that really depends on the perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:30 PM
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Fair. I would still change places and take SA as an acceptable price to not have to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:17 PM
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Genuine question—but how would you enjoy the ‘sex’ if your partner was hurting the whole time and essentially begging for it to be over? No. That would be a shit way to fulfill a duty. The duty is "to satisfy the sexual needs of your partner" not "to have sex". It could be argued that such a poor performance does not count as fulfilling their duty. Personally, I care about my partner and seeing him in pain is not a turn on. Healthy sex should be mutually enjoyable (even duty sex or at the very l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:15 PM
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Would you still be ok with duty sex if it resulted in constant pain and you get injured? Yes because if I am in a monogamous relationship it is my duty to see that my partner's sexual needs are met. I’m also wondering, would it not bother you that your partner is using your body and doesn’t care about how you’re feeling or that you’re getting hurt? It would not bother me. If anything I would be glad to be valued for what I am (a body) instead of being valued for what I am not (my actions) But I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:20 PM
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I doubt the trauma of SA is comparable to the obligation of having to work for a living. That being said. I would gladly trade places with a woman and risk SA for a chance to be able to live without working for a living by being in a relationship with a man willing to provide for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:09 PM
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You missed the point. The one that says yes is special because she said yes. Men don't get a lot of "yes"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:57 AM
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You underestimate how rare "said yes" is. It can literally make you one in a million.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:50 AM
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What's the role of the state in your view, I'm curious. I mean broadly - what are taxes - if there are any taxes - for? Roads, police etc. And if police then what crimes should police primarily focus on? I personally believe the state is just a parasite that evolved to not kill its host. Society had to decide between roaming thieves that stole from you until they kill you or a local mafia that defended you from thieves but stole from you, but at least they let you live to steal from you next yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:48 PM
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Do you want to be around a person who outright hates you because you don’t give them what they want? And that they think it’s funny when Violet crimes are committed against people they’re jealous of? That does not disqualify a woman as a potential partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:31 PM
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That looks like someone saying that being nice would get a man laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:29 PM
2

Great. I rather be judged by my actions rather than my personality and I rather judge people by their actions instead of their personalities. She does what I want, I do what she wants. We both win.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:53 AM
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It is not worth it for a man to speak about that to a woman. Chances are the relationship will go bad and he will only be closer to kissing a moving train.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:05 PM
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I already got what I want from life ten years ago. From then on I only fight entropy and change until I die. That being said I will never forget the pain, time and effort I needed to spend to get what I wanted nor the pain, time and effort required to keep it. I would have loved to have someone telling me truths instead of platitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:36 PM
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Pleas go into detail. How are you going to keep men from simply overpowering anyone that wants to enslave them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:23 PM
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Sure. How would that "enslaving men" work? Which army will be the one enslaving all men and keeping them all enslaved?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:05 PM
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Sure. How would that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:30 AM
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Oh. Then remember that in this scenario there is no robbery. She accepted a responsibility to provide sex in this scenario and she loses resources as a consequences of breaching the contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:27 AM
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Behaviors rarely have an impact on how sexually attracted I am towards a woman. Chances are that masculine behavior can maybe reduce the attraction I feel towards a woman but I can't imagine femenine behavior increasing my sexual attraction towards her. That being said I don't make decisions based on sexual attraction. I make decisions based on her behavior. Immoral behavior disqualifies any woman, femenine behavior increases the chances that I would pick her because it increases her value as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:19 AM
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That is not marital rape. It is the consequences of breaching the contract
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:13 AM
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I don't care about the house I live in. Whatever my partner wants she gets as long as I am getting what I want from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:06 AM
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I am reading and doubting
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:23 PM
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Yes, there are women that date mentally ill men. I don't doubt that. What I doubt is the existence of women that are ok with men being honest and opening up about actual weaknesses and vulnerabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:18 PM
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How? She is not obligated to consent, she can pick the monetary punishment. He does not have to force her to do anything. She can pick to either consent or suffer monetary damages.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:15 PM
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They can simply date women who are okay with those things. Bold to assume those women exist. I would not be dating a man like this in the first place. I know. You and most women. My preferences clearly bother you, but that is a “you” problem for you to figure out. It doesn't bother me. I just want that your position is clear for men to take into consideration when they are deciding if they are going to be honest with their partners and open themselves. Just don't do it bro. It is not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:14 PM
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Good thing for women. There are so many men that are willing to tolerate those expressions that they are actually free to be vulnerable and honest without fearing being alone as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:11 PM
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You heard it guys. Be honest but not if your honesty would show incompetency, suicidal desires or social insecurity. Keep it in until you die. Nothing that you don't know probably but in case you didn't knew, now you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:07 PM
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Why does there need to be financial compensation? Because when you breach your contract you are causing damage to the party that counted on you fulfilling your obligations? Compensation is different than a penalty. Both sides of the same coin Is their some sort of incentive beside having to pay? Incentive for what? Incentive for fulfilling your obligations? The incentive for you continuing to fulfill your obligations is that the other party has to continue to fulfill their obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:04 PM
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Sure. Consent must be given freely and not under threat of someone initiating force upon you. How is your comment related to what I was saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:59 PM
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Thank you for the honesty. I hope men hear it well. Remember guys, honesty is not good when being honest means showing actual weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:58 PM
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If a woman acted the way I outlived in the inappropriate way men would also fund that deeply unattractive. Do you seriously believe that? I believe men can live with that and would not even consider leaving a woman for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:57 PM
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So... honesty as long as honesty says what you find acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:55 PM
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Why must the penalty for breach of contract be ruinously costly? To create an incentive structure that punishes the breaching of the contract. If the penalty can be easily shrugged off then there is no incentive to fulfill your obligations. That seems excessive for a breach of this type. Penalties for breaching contracts are pretty normal, but not typically ruinously so. I am ok with making all penalties for breaching contract ruinously costly. You took an obligation upon you, fulfill it or be r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:41 PM
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Fair. Revoking consent would be a breach of contract. The one that breaches contract should be monetarily punished to the point of bankrupcy so there is an incentive structure that rewards fulfilling the obligations you freely take upon yourself and punishes not fulilling said obligations. That way you keep your precious right to revoke consent and there is a punishment for blatantly refusing to fulfill the obligations you took upon yourself. You are still free to pick between financial ruin or …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:29 PM
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From his replies, it's pretty clear that he's extremely bitter that women are the more desired sex. Close enough. I am frustrated by women's lack of accountability and how they waste all the advantages that come from being the more desired sex. Every failed relationship is by default, the fault of the woman for not choosing better. Correct. That is what comes from having options. So he wants a world where women have limited freedom and by extension, little to no say on who they choose to be in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:58 PM
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Come on. That is just lazy. By that logic a contract that makes a party get kicked in the balls all day for no reward at all works because it is not mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:46 PM
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That does not mean it works. That just mean that if it doesn't work it is not mandatory to enter into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:09 PM
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I do care about what the other person wants. That is what I need to know to offer a deal they will accept. I can only get what I want if I give the other person what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:51 PM
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Okay, so in your mind, if someone is mandated - even if this mandates includes legal force (because that’s what this obligation is),then therefore ethics does not fit into the conversation? Does that mean that every law ever passed has therefore no reason to justify itself ethically? In my mind any agreement freely entered into by fully informed consenting adults does not have to justify itself ethically. Laws on the other hand must because they apply to humans that did not consent to them. In t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:43 PM
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It is not ethical. He should not use initiate force to get there to fulfill her obligations. She should not refuse to fulfill her obligations either. In this scenario she, a fully informed consenting adult, entered into a contract in which she assumed that obligation. She is in breach of contract. She should be monetarily punished. She should be made an example so every single other human that is considering not fulfilling their obligations makes math in their head before deciding if they can af…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:36 PM
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I am keeping and eye on it and would like to live to find the answer
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:33 PM
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An alternative. Women if given freedom are not willing to marry or have children in enough numbers to sustain society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:31 PM
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If she does not want to fulfill her obligations. Breach of contract. To be punished monetarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:27 PM
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I said that the option must be an acceptable one. Most men don't find being an incel acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:27 PM
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If the letter of the agreement is that vague then of course you have a point. I have nothing against using loopholes in an agreement two fully informed consenting adults entered into
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:26 PM
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Please elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:25 PM
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I make different arguments to defend different positions all the time. I am in a debate subreddit. If you ask me for my personal position I am a liberal and I would prefer for no state involvement and no initiation of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:24 PM
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I was just showing how it is possible to create a system in which women have an obligation towards their husbands and it does not need to involve marital rape. Financial compensation for failing to fulfilling the obligation is something that can be implemented. It doesn't need to include marital assets. Any kind of monetary punishment for failing to fulfill obligations could work as long as it creates an adequate incentive structure to fulfill said obligations
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:20 PM
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I know. I was just showing how it is possible to create a system in which women have an obligation towards their husbands and it does not need to involve marital rape. Financial compensation for failing to fulfilling the obligation is something that can be implemented.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:15 PM
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Absolutely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:13 PM
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How do you..with presumably a straight face identify that allowing men to enslave women through forced marriage, would save the marriage rate I didn't say it was an acceptable solution. But it is a solution. Right up there is a solution to the male loneliness epidemic is to kill all the unattractive men. Problem solved! It would solve the problem. Men died in wars often enough. That solved the issue in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:13 PM
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She is free to have her own life. As long as she fulfills her part of the deal I will fulfill mine. My relationship with Miss moral has nothing to do with my point. My point being that being dependent on someone else's consent to get your needs met is worse than not being dependent on someone else's consent to get your needs met.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:04 PM
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Or it could be enforced without the need of marital rape. Let's say that if he can prove the wife did not fulfill her legal obligation she loses her share of marital assets in divorce. Noe she has room to say no. She just loses money if he decides to divorce her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:46 PM
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Great. You noticed the solution to both the birth rates and the marriage rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:40 PM
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It works perfectly fine for women maybe. Why do you believe a contract that provides no legal advantage to men works perfectly for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:36 PM
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That is already the position most men are in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:24 PM
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Right, alimony (which is awarded in 10% of divorces) and child support (to take care of kids) are such huge legal advantages in a marriage. /s Better than no legal advantage at all. Women are more likely than men to sacrifice career progression and earning potential due to being the ones to have kids. And they get a legal advantage. Women are also more likely to be initially awarded primary custody (which is the real “”legal advantage”” but you’re not even concerned with that evidently) so like,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:23 PM
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Solved the marriage crisis and the birthrate crisis in one single swoop.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:21 PM
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Sure. But that does not change that as long as a man does not get multiple options he can't pick better and it is stupid to ask him to do so. Until he gets options to pick better from, he does not get to pick better, he accepts what he can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:16 PM
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Considering that women initiate most divorces, that women tend to marry men that earn more than them, and that women tend to take time from work to spend time with the kids more often than men... Alimony and child support. Sure you might say that those policies are gender neutral in the letter of the law but they are not in the actual practice and effect of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:10 PM
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Are birth rates in Islamic countries near zero?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:04 PM
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This crap again. Ok. Another time for those that did not read it before. In order to pick better you need options available to you. Multiple. Plural. At the same time. And those options must be acceptable. (Picking between starvation and shitty food is not having options) Women have or can easily have multiple men interested in them at the same time so they can pick better. Men rarely have multiple women interested in them at the same time so it makes no sense to ask them to pick better. They do…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:58 PM
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No. I didn't say it was valid nor equivalent. I never said rape either. If it is a part of a contract that it is agreed upon by fully informed adults then there is consent. What I said is that if marriage had an advantage for men that would be an improvement and I can imagine why some men would consider it a good thing compared to the current version in which the man has no legal advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:53 PM
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Oh for sure. I agree. Women can easily filter attractive men from non attractive men. That was never an issue for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:49 PM
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Please elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:46 PM
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Have to? Are you using the words correctly? She can leave if she accepts the consequences. Staying out of fear for the consequences of your actions (picking the wrong partner and leaving the workforce) is not the same as "having to" stay. And what about all the women who have to stay married in abusive relationships because they haven’t worked and have no money for a lawyer or money to move? They divorce and get cash and prices from the man in the form of alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:39 PM
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Anything that helps women vet. God knows they need any help they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:37 PM
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To have some kind of legal advantage in marriage instead of only downsides when divorce happens? I can't imagine why.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:33 PM
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I am pro any agreement freely made by fully informed consenting adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:28 PM
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It is awesome for anyone involved. Why bother having relationships with humans that have free will and end up dependent on someone else's free will for your social needs when you have an option to get your needs met without becoming dependent on someone else's free will?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:15 PM
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Age is a factor only because if who needs that product/service. It is obvious young women would need that service less than older women. Young women are at their peak when it comes to attractiveness. The opposite happens for men. Young men did not have any time to build themselves. Remember, women are valued for what they are and men are valued for what they do. Young men didn't have any time to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:13 PM
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I hope I am wrong but I am sure we will find out that women would not be attracted to marriage if it comes with any obligation form her towards her husband. I stand correct. Women don't want to have any obligation towards their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:10 PM
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I didn't say nonconsensual. You added that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:15 PM
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I said men want sex in marriage. You took it to the point of owning someone else's body.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:12 PM
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Most marriages become sexless eventually. Too vague. That includes physical incapability due to sickness. Most marriages don't end in divorce. See above. Yes, if a requirement is no longer having bodily autonomy, it would need to be written in. Wouldn't hold up anymore in most places, as marital SA is recognized, but it would at least have some appearance of legitimacy. Fair enough. Men should put that in writing then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:07 PM
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Considering a marriage without sex is quite likely to end up in divorce does it need to be literally written in s contract that sex is a requirement?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:56 PM
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And I will consider their existence after they stop being children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:23 PM
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I am not an average man. I had to stop being an average man. Economically I never was an average man. And my partner is not an average woman, not even a below average woman. She is waaaaay below average. That is the entire point of picking her. Average and below average women didn't need my intervention. They already got lives they liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:21 PM
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Not true. As a below average women I would have a better chance to get the life I want for cheaper compared to me being an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:17 PM
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You are very narrow sighted if you think men don’t also benefit from safety nets. All those children being raised by mothers using social safety nets do you think none of those children are boys? Those boys become men. And I don't care about minors. I am talking about men. Hell here in Australia our prime minister was raised by a single Mum in social housing. Without that net he wouldn’t have gotten to where he is. Safety nets help all of society which includes men. See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:14 PM
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You did so buy essentially buying a wife, how many more extremely overhead homeless women will get that same “opportunity”? Very few. And how many homeless men will get the same opportunity? Don't you see the unfairness? Miss moral, my partner did not had to become above average in every single aspect measurable to get what she wanted from life. All she had to do was to exist. So you being an average man boded far better than what most of the below average women will experience. Cost/benefit. Su…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:13 PM
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Things won’t be ‘fair’ regardless. Not a good argument. Can be used to support any atrocities. Women deal with biological disadvantages that cause a lot of the social safety nets op is complaining about No. Humans cause the safety nets. women get pregnant and are usually the parent who bears the brunt for f child rearing so when single they have a harder time to put food on table for the kids- ergo the social safety nets seeing as society doesn’t want starving children. And yet women are the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:10 PM
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Oh. I see your point. I am sorry but I don't have numbers with me if that is what you need. If you don't believe what OP is saying is true then I have no interest to convince you. Everything said is as far as I know, quite easy to see for anyone that cares to look.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:06 PM
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I rather be an average woman. Hell. Even below average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:05 PM
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By everything mentioned by OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:03 PM
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How about you strive to be that kind of man rather than an average woman? Because it is unfair that average women get easier lives than average men. Either fairness matters in all aspects of life or it does not matter in any.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:59 PM
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No one has ever thought that letting women participate in society meant zero sex either. For that reason women have rights. If men are so simple minded that they do whatever it takes to get sex, then women are correct in thinking that men will never stop being rapists and a danger to us. You are mostly correct. There will always be rapists and there will always be dangerous men. Since cavemen times men realized that being the one that protects women from rapists is a better strategy to get laid …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:01 PM
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I don't wish anyone to end up badly. Not even people that deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:51 PM
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If men during that time were absolutely convinced that giving women their rights would mean no sex forever they would have never voted in favor of women's rights. Men avoid doing things they are convinced will make them incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:50 PM
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Not self respect. Weakness of will.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:46 PM
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I hope that is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:44 PM
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I could never stomach it for long before just giving up. There it is. The flaw on th vetting process.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:43 PM
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Men will do whatever they think is more likely to get them laid. The trick is to keep them believing they are more likely to get laid in a world that has women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:41 PM
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Look at what they do. Men will do whatever they believe will get them laid. The trick is to keep them believing that they are more likely to get laid in a world in which women have rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:40 PM
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Sounds like a flawed vetting process.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:39 PM
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Fair. You deserve whatever happens because of your disinterest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:38 PM
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Why would we be "afraid?" What is being afraid going to change? It would make you address the issue before it becomes a problem. What they want are human beings, who are not for sale. What they want is a viable path towards happiness. The traditional way to get those is having a relationship and kids. Their demands are inherently unreasonable and unrealistic, so why care or pay attention? Because I'd you don't care or pay attention someone else will, they will vote against your interests and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:36 PM
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Self fulfilling prophecy. You could care and do something to convince them to vote your way. All demographics want something. Address what they want and you get their vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:31 PM
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What is fretting about men supposed to change? They're going to do what they want to do. Let's say you are afraid a demographic is going to start voting against your interests. Instead of ignoring them just accepting that they will do what they want to do you can think like a politician and ask yourself what can you give to that demographic so they vote the way you want them to vote. Everyone wants something.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:28 PM
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Bold to believe that plays no significant role. Well.. it is your metaphorical neck to risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:26 PM
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It makes no sense to not care if men "go back" when they vote. They can vote against women's interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:24 PM
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Not spam. The answer applied to both comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:22 PM
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Where are all the women threatening to "drop out of society" and remove the rights of men just because they like young, conventionally attractive women? If they were capable of doing that, they would. Women always go as far as men let them go. See laws in Spain for example
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:08 PM
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Most women do not give a shit about changes in men Careful. They vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:06 PM
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I personally don’t care if men go back, forward, or sideways. Careful. They vote
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:05 PM
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Any woman with access to the internet can find multiple men interested in her. From then on it is a matter of vetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:04 PM
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And do you think that women who have children don’t care about your well-being? Obviously not. The child comes first. Or that women without children don’t care for their own? They care about themselves because they are the only human they for sure know care about the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:55 PM
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You are free to be wrong. Women are free to be wrong as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:52 PM
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They would still lose the monopoly on birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:51 PM
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How do you intend to take care of her? That depends on her needs. Having a partner means that her well being and happiness become my number one priority. Different people would require different treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:50 PM
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Sure she has. But it is easier to convince her that I can do a better job of caring about her than she could. Then it is a matter of trade. Once a child is involved there is no way to convince her that I can care about the kid better than she could.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:26 PM
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Herself of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:17 PM
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Depends. I am not willing to be the father only when it is time to pay but have no say in anything else. I am not willing to accept being a distant third in her life during the entire duration of the relationship. At some point of the relationship I want to actually enjoy the relationship instead of just acting out of duty. I am ok waiting for 30 years if I believe that at some point in the future I get to put my partner first and get the same in return. That is a big if by the way. The entire p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:06 PM
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You are making too much sense. Things are simpler. Man bad. Woman good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:52 PM
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Then she would lose interest because if I want to keep that cheap lifestyle I provide the exact same value as a minimum wage worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:57 PM
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Please elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:46 PM
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You can be a high earner and choose to live low maintenance lifestyle in 1 BR or studio apt. If women have no reason to believe and no way to see that I am a high earner then they will believe I am not one and therefore ignore me. If they know I am a high earner but believe that due to the lifestyle I have I will never spend that money to increase their lifestyle they ignore me. If the objective is to not be an incel then I can't have a lifestyle that shows I earn minimum wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:41 PM
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Now I understand what you mean. I don't believe any of those means they see you more/less as a human. It is possible to see someone as a human and act in both of the manners you described. But at least now I understand what you mean. I can see how men would act in both of the manners described.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:37 PM
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If it wasn't for the fact that I don't want to be an incel I would be happy sharing a room with 4 dudes, eating white rice, earning minimum wage and playing pirated videogames.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:31 PM
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I am failing to understand what you mean by "see me way less as a person" Can you provide an example or comparison between "seeing me more as a person" vs "seeing me less as a person"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:26 PM
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Idk, men definitely get blinded from their consciousness and ability to see or care to see someone's humanity by their sexual desire. I can see that happening. It doesn't contradict the idea that the way men completely ignore people they don't want to have sex with is what "treating someone like a human" looks like. Idk what it is but some guys really struggle. And will either see a woman as human and platonic or an object of his sexual desire Well... Platonic and sexual desire are opposites. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:04 PM
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It's not that they can't see you as a full human once the desire for sex is off. It's that without the desire for sex that is the way a full human is treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:17 PM
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Quite the opposite. That "light off" speaks to the way he treats humans. Men treat each other as people/as humans. No light in the eyes. No consideration. Could die on the street and unless they personally know you they will not care. You don't want men to treat women as they treat humans/people/other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:29 PM
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Quite the opposite. That "light off" speaks to the way he treats humans. Men treat each other as people/as humans. No light in the eyes. No consideration. Could die on the street and unless they personally know you they will not care. You don't want men to treat women as they treat humans/people/other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:29 PM
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Like "telling women what they want to hear"? Hahaha. I am sorry but getting consent without the use of force or threats is not coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:16 AM
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Will read it after work. The study will have a chance to prove my assumption wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:10 AM
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I will read the study later. I am willing to bet that they twist the definition of "coercion" to include most verbal interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:53 AM
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I think men commonly mistake their desire of women for women’s value/purpose. Like since men valuse sex and kids so highly. they’ll say that a woman’s purpose is sex and kids. Funny you go to confuse value and purpose. Women's value lies in their ability to have sex and children and it is inherent in them. It is not their purpose. But it is their inherent value. An inherent value men don't have. u know how TRP says men don’t have a inherent value. I disagree with that. I think it’s more fair to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:57 PM
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Fair enough. I can see how men would help women to increase their chances to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:39 PM
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Sure. Now please do propper research waaaaay before making any trip. Know what you want first. Then know enough about the culture and place where you are going to look for it. Going only on stereotypes is stupid. I am sure there is a marker/culture that is more likely to provide you with what you want but there is a price to pay and a process to do so
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:58 PM
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You don't think women deal with annoying? Not what I said. I say that men put up with annoying from women more than women put up with annoying coming from men. When a man comes on to my 15 year old niece do you think I am not annoyed? I am sure you are. Remember how that is illegal and socially punished? As it should be by the way. And that was something that changes because of feminism. I will give credit. That means that women didn't put up with that annoying. They complained until society cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:42 PM
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Good to know the different definitions. They change little. Being physically abusive with a woman or child is a sign of weakness. Weakness can be a fault or defect. Sure. But given the situation of a kid being abused. I say the one that is in a position of weakness is the one being abused. No matter how weak of character the abuser is. Not being able to deal with your issues in a way that precludes violence from happening suggests a personality fault. This is not how to handle personal relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:14 PM
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There is plenty of damage I could do towards people I find annoying. I don't do that damage. There is plenty of good I could avoid doing towards people I find annoying. I don't avoid doing good towards people because I find them annoying. That is tolerance. I refuse to treat someone worse because I find them annoying. I treat them in the exact same way I would treat them if I didn't find them annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:53 PM
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You are making my point. Men are annoying to the point that women avoid them. Women are annoying to the point that the entire world changes just so they stop whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:43 PM
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Remove that tolerance men have towards women and the Arab world would end up looking liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:42 PM
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Believe it or not we do not tolerate you from a point of weakness. Yes there is fear there because men can be aggressive but if you're aggressive to women you're not much of a man. She needs to get out and hopefully she was smart enough to not get involved. You should not be involved in anyway with a violent men. (or woman, run if you meet one, she's trouble) Sounds like a point of weakness. Women are the way they are because they bear children. Bearing and caring for children makes us wired to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:41 PM
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I doubt anyone can compete against women when it comes to annoying. They annoyed men into giving them rights and even after getting them they are still annoying them into manufacturing an equality that is physically impossible. I don't doubt that men are annoying but never to the point of creating a sociocultural movement that changes the direction of the western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:11 PM
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Do you think we don't tolerate men? Men can be so annoying and it's all about their dick. If you're virtuous so are we. To some degree sure. Not at the same degree that men do. Now about virtue... Tolerance from a point of weakness is not virtue, it is survival. I once smiled at a man because I was thinking about something else and I spent the night trying to get rid of him. He was married too. I do believe you. That sounds like something that could easily happen. Women tolerate men so much that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:49 PM
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Infantile take. Improving on what you get is the right thing to do. You don't abandon something when you can improve upon it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:47 PM
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Good. Address the point please. You can be in the place you want to be and still want to improve it instead of leaving it as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:06 PM
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Well you are wrong. You can be exactly where you want to be and still look to improve the place you are. That applies for your job, your family, your country. Why wouldn't it apply to a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:03 PM
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So how does one follow from the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:58 AM
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Men's tolerance towards women is not a fault. It is a virtue. You are unable to comprehend how horrible life could be if men didn't want women in the way they want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:56 AM
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Yes. No doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:59 AM
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Nobody? I am quite sure people are willing to do so if the benefit is high enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:07 AM
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I didn't say it was unfair. I said that men had to pay in the past and still have to pay now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:22 PM
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... That cost of living is a thing I need to spend in as a pre requisite to be attractive to women. So men still pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:22 PM
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Other homeless women. Not many considering that the majority of the homeless population is men. But most women work and two incomes are used. So that means that those women do expect a man to work then. So idk what you're referring to. If most women expect men to work then men have to pay to have a relationship. First they have to earn. Then they have to spend those earnings in a way those women find acceptable (working and using most of the money on videogames instead of investing is unlikely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:45 PM
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You know many women willing to date homeless men with no interest to work? If not then men have to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:32 PM
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Simple. Unless I earn enough, spend enough of what I earn in a lifestyle she finds attractive and then have enough to spend on her after that, I am not getting a relationship. So I still have to pay to get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:27 PM
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You'd think they'd be happy they aren't having to bribe women to be in relationships? But... We still have to pay... The "pay for it" part is still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:19 PM
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Having a nice salary and career is not gonna do that. Not having a nice salary and career makes women feel like you are not worth dating. So that is quite literally adressing women's feelings about your career and salary. So expecting your career to be the tool that gives you access to relationships is silly. Except it works
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:35 PM
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How does this contradict anything said?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:57 PM
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Being likable is alot easier than working out and getting big money. Depends. For some people it is not. Also, being likeable does not have as much of a return on investment compared on Now, guys asking "What does it look like to be respectful" is already a red flag. But answer those questions, being agreeable, which the redpill has decided is beta male bullshit they wont engage in. In my experience being agreeable does not increase attractiveness as much as being disagreeable. Being agreeable m…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:37 PM
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Men can do what they want BUT their desired lifestyle isn’t guaranteed. There is no contract that guarantees men access to women unless men are making a deal with a woman directly. Men seem to be doing everything to get women except give women what we want. Sure I agree. Now back to the OP. Society needs men to be over productive. Men are over productive because they believe that by doing so they increase their chances to get what they want (women, sex, relationships, children) If men stop belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:07 PM
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"Desired lifestyle" includes women, sex, relationships, kids So it makes sense that men go after jobs that pay more even if they don't like them. The more money you have, the more resources you have to attract a woman and get your "desired lifestyle"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:51 PM
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No I am not. Read again. Man is responsible for his actions (approaching 200 women a day) and should be accountable for the consequences (discomfort) See that? That is he opposite of a cop out for male accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:51 PM
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You don’t have moral standards Bold claim. Let's see if you can back it up. you think violent men should not be accountable for their actions Not my position. Men should be accountable for their actions. All humans should. and it’s the fault of who women fuck somehow Not my position. But let's make it clear so you can no longer claim that you don't understand it or that I said anything else. Woman picks. Creates an incentive structure. Man lives in it. Decides to act in whatever way he believes …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:41 PM
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I am quite proud of the way I can held my own moral standards high in my list of priorities and quite strict even when I don't have a conscience pushing me to do it. What is the excuse for normies to not do the same? I understand that different people have different understandings of what is moral and immoral but the way most people abandon what they define as morality when it stops suiting their needs is something I find hilarious and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:32 PM
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I don't know if every society goes that way. I don't know if those movements necessarily will win. They may fail. Maybe societies that had success with those movements are doomed to fail due to lack of breeding to be outcompeted by societies that don't give women a choice. Maybe we are in the wrong side of darwinism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:41 PM
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The incentive to produce is the pay and benefits employers give. No. Those are just intermediaries. The incentive to produce is the things men want to get using the pay and benefits. So women, sex, relationships, kids. Men are basically upset there's no longer the extra fringe benefit of a slave class doing their social reproduction on top of this. There's no icing on their cake anymore. Women are now able to essentially determine their cost, and they're determining it ain't something you get cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:16 PM
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No, if your insane example was a reality, the issue we would need to deal with as society is how to police men kicking homeless people (lol) That is stupid. The police is made of men that want to get laid. And as long as a majority of women decide that they will only consent when someone kicks a homeless persons the police will not have an incentive to stop that. Hell they will join. That is what an incentive structure does. Not policing women’s choice to not fuck men who don’t kick homeless peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:53 PM
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... Consent creates incentive structures. Incentive structures shape societies. Allow for consent to be only of individual consideration and you will create incentive structures that will fuck up your society. That was the point. And it is quite clear. In the example that society could either accept that women will only consent when a man does horrible things or socially punish them. I used a high percentage and a horrible act to make the consequences and dynamics clear. But the same happens if …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:42 PM
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I did address it point by point and quoting every single point. I even provided an example on how the individual consent of individuals has societal ramifications
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:32 PM
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I agree but it is not addressing the point
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:28 PM
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So you managed to missed the point in the exact ways I described.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:26 PM
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Fair point. Once that obstacle is sorted that will solve the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:44 PM
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Love and sex is so tied to individuals that you cannot debate it within a societal context We can Consent is the absolute top of the pyramid as far as sex and relationships and love is concerned. Sure. Sex and relationships are two people choosing wilfully to engage in those things. Sure. Sex and love is not a resource. Wrong. It is a resource and more importantly, part of an incentive structure. There is no “for the greater good” context or “societal” context that you can frame relationship dyn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:43 PM
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How does this address the point? I am afraid I don't understand
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:21 PM
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It is no longer devalued as something women are inherently meant to be doing and thus rejecting something inappropriately. But that is not the case. It is something men want to get in exchange for what they do. So it is valued at the exact value of what men do to get it. And women rejecting it are not doing it inappropriately. They are just removing men's incentive to do anything. In turn, they must value and show respect for anything they receive in this domain rather presume it is something th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:20 PM
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How does let go of the presumption that they should be paid in a family, sex, respect, and social reproduction (dominance over another) for allowing themselves to be dominated by a few (wealthy elites). Lead to the respect of social reproduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:06 PM
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The reward for going to work and contributing to society is your paycheck and negotiated benefits such as paid days off, health insurance and a pension/401k Those are just tools used to increase our chances to get sex, family and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:20 PM
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The answer is to topple the scam altogether. And part of toppling that scam is that men need to let go of the presumption that they should be paid in a family, sex, respect, and social reproduction (dominance over another) for allowing themselves to be dominated by a few (wealthy elites). How does that get me a higher chance to get family, sex and respect? Because if it doesn't there is nothing for me to gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:19 PM
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The way anyone sees financial abortion is irrelevant to the arguments made.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:02 PM
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I don't know... It will make the man famous and exposure might be enough
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:35 PM
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I say a lot of things. I am in a debate sub. I take a lot of positions. Why is this relevant to the current argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:33 PM
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Just saying. There is a price for life. For both creating one and ending one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:41 AM
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I don't know. Can you put a price on health, human life? Yes. You can hire a killer. You can pay for surrogacy. You can't even sell blood You can. There is a black market for everything. and that's much more measurable See above. Maybe I am not smart enough to perfectly calculate how to measure the pain and effort of pregnancy in a monetary way but I am pretty sure it is possible. It is at least something though, which is more than... any man here is willing to give. Women can negotiate for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:34 AM
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Those details can be sorted out later. On principle does it solve the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:26 AM
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Compensate women for that pain with money and allow the man to have a paper abortion. Solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:22 AM
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That's simply incorrect. There are tons of things that are desired that aren't part of incentive structures that would compel others to change their actions. Provide an example please. Then your argument falls apart even more. You want women and their vaginas to enact a power that not even the government is allowed to do. The argument stands. I could argue that women and their vagines already enact that power. Is just that women use that power without knowledge, wisdom or care. You want women an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:13 AM
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Because the point of a debate sub is debate. That includes try to torn down arguments provided by others? Because maybe some woman reading believes that women have value apart of being sources of labor, sex and children and wants to explain why? Just to be a contrarian towards a clear ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:58 PM
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I am surprised that no one is providing an argument against the main premise of that comment. "Women will be worthless to the world" I asssumed at least one woman reading this would like to provide an argument about how there is more value to them than the access they can provide to sex, children and relationships heterosexual men desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:22 PM
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Better. Still not an argument but at least you are adressing the words provided in the screenshot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:01 PM
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Serial killers do not get better results because that have sicko women sending them love letters as they rot in prison lol. It is a better result. I said I was measuring it in number of women interested. And no decent guy would would want a woman who would ever be want to be romantically involved with someone like that anyway. Irrelevant to the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:37 PM
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Not an argument
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 08:05 PM
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Any argument against the points provided in the screenshot?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:49 PM
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Old school RP content.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:02 PM
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But they do become influence their friends so all of them act in a similar way, even when picking a partner. What is that if not acting as a monopoly?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:00 PM
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You are still assuming that vaginas are rewards/punishments. Sex is not a reward for good/bad behavior. Anything desired is part of an incentive structure. Vaginas are not the exception. Are you implying that the government should meddle in the affairs of who sleeps with who? No. Are you implying that this issue of men not getting sex is too big for government or too small? I am a libertarian. If it was for me there would be no government. See? Here you are again, obligating women to use their v…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:59 PM
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The women that pick serial killers over non serial killers and the society that does not make their life a living hell to incentivize them to never do that again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:13 PM
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This assumes that women’s vaginas are the arbiters of morality. They are not. No. Not at all. Women's vaginas are not the arbiters of morality. Every single human that decides to reward/punish behaviors in other humans is. And women that decide who they show romantic attraction to are not exempt. The justice system is supposed to be that. Government. Insufficient. To claim that women’s vaginas are the arbiters of morality on a mass scale is to be entitled to a certain kind of justice that conven…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:18 PM
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Because it allows for a serial killer to have better results than a non serial killer. Isn't that enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:54 PM
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So you believe a motivation for serial killers is once they are caught and imprisoned for life some women will show romantic attraction to them? Motivations and incentive structures are complex and overlap. Sure one of the many motivations may be that one. Why risk it? Just remove it. Usually only if they’re hot of course in which case they could get laid before being imprisoned for life. Sounds like a society that cares about being hot over not being a serial killer is immoral. Before they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:43 PM
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Society allows for serial killers to get better results than non serial killers. That is immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:36 PM
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Ok. Immorality it is then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:34 PM
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Yes. A society that allows this situation to exist is immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:34 PM
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If the non serial killer is boring/unremarkable then for sure. The serial killer will get multiple women showing interest towards him and the boring/unremarkable non serial killer will end up as an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:26 PM
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Serial killers go to jail or executed, which tends to be a worse result Good thing I expressly detailed what I meant. You obviously don’t consider the desire itself to be an issue as you have for some reason admitted you yourself would give love to a woman who desires serial killers The desire to do shitty things is not bad. Doing shitty things is bad. And how does society allow serial killers to get “ better results” By not socially ostracizing the women that show interest towards serial killer…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:22 PM
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I said showing romantic attraction. Not just masturbating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:18 PM
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Showing romantic attraction towards serial killers over non serial killers creates an incentive structure that rewards being a serial killer over not being a serial killer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:08 PM
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Do you want a woman who wants serial killers? No…right I want serial killers to get worse results than none serial killers. That would require that the women that want serial killers stop going after serial killers. Now to answer the question properly. I would have no issue with a woman that wants a serial killer. If anything that would be a positive. But because there are women that do want serial killers, you think other women absolutely SHOULD want you to balance it out? Is that your argument…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:07 PM
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Yes all the men thirsting after Casey Anthony were immoral… If they show romantic interest on her while ignoring innocents then... Yes. nah I think people just like hot people dude. And caring about looks over morality is... Immoral. It’s not complicated. Hot people on tv are gonna have people masturbating to them. We are just apes deep down. "We are just apes deep down" can be used to justify all kinds of immoralities. I don't think it is good to go for that route.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:02 PM
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Having a monopoly is good. Provide an argument against it. Even if you are a human, having a monopoly is good. Provide an argument against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:55 PM
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Counter argument. A society in which a serial killer gets better results (romantically speaking, measured in women interested in him) than a non serial killer is a society that is deeply immoral and is commiting an injustice towards non serial killers. Believing that does not make you entitled, it makes you someone that believes murder is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:51 PM
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If women didn't have a strong in group bias you would have a point. A man that mistreats a woman will see his chances to convince other women to have a kid with them reduced because women speak to each other and strongly dislike when someone mistreats women. Hell, a man that votes in a way that a woman does not like will get a similar effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:44 PM
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Women aren't valued for being able to have children if they don't actually do it Yes they are. As long as they are able and willing to do so. Potential benefit is valuable. which is harder than most things men could be valued for. Irrelevant. Men can't ever be valued for being able to have children. Women have a monopoly on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:38 PM
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What power do women have just because they can give birth? They pick which men become fathers and can ask whatever they want for the privilege. The man that does not pay does not become a father. They were already been dehumanised, not existing, abandoning themselves for the sake of the child. Irrelevant. You control which men become fathers. Use that for trade and get whatever you want. Men are willing to pay both in money and in changes in their own behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:10 PM
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Having a monopoly on something is good. Provide an argument against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:03 PM
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Men are valued only after they create value for others or develop the skills that can be put to work to create value for others. They are not valued just by being born with a factory that gives them innate value. Women can develop those skills as well. But they do it at the cost of not using the value they are born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:40 PM
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Fully half the population having the equal ability to do something is, by its very definition, not a monopoly. It’s like saying men have a monopoly on having penises… all 4 billion of them each have a monopoly. Men do have a monopoly on having penises. You’re using that word monopoly to try to pretend “women” are all one singular collective capitalist unfair-owner of the means of production… They are. And they are effective using their in group bias and organization. as if it is deeply unfair th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:52 AM
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How does the man not become a father? Because the woman refuses to have kids u less he pays whatever she asks for. It is blindingly obvious a woman cannot ask for literally anything and get it. I know you know this. Then the man does not become a father. Since he wants to be a father he will get what she asks for. Doesn’t matter if it’s illegal. It happens and is not a benefit or a good thing. No one can stop bad things from happening. Punish after the fact is the limit of what a society can do.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:15 AM
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Not in fatherhood. In working for a company
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:08 AM
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She is at fault for picking a man that does not collaborate in the way she wants him to collaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:43 AM
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Men statistically spend more time and effort at their jobs when they have children compared to women. So it makes sense they are seen as committed. Companies don't care about gender, just the likelihood of an employee to take days off not producing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:34 AM
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I know it is impossible I am making a thought experiment. Without the monopoly women have on giving birth they are just weak men and weak men are ignored and abused. Not helped in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:33 AM
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Yes. I don't take tik tok seriously. It is outrage bait of little value. If I have to take it seriously I said she picked him and therefore she is at fault. She has other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:32 AM
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Read it again. Please ask for clarification in a specific way if I failed to express myself correctly
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:28 AM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:27 AM
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I wish
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:27 AM
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Women cannot ask for literally anything and get it. If the man does not give it he does not become a father. In fact, abuse rates go up during pregnancy and homicide is the leading cause of death for pregnant women. No prizes for guessing who is killing and abusing them. Pregnant women are also abandoned every day. Illegal and punished. All of those. Women have significant loss of income and career advancement because of pregnancy. Duh. Time and effort spent in pregnancy is time and effort not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:26 AM
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Irrelevant. Even if you have that fulfilling and happy life, it is better to have that monopoly. It is always good to have a monopoly on a good/service. The only reason society cares about women as a group is what makes them special, that monopoly. Remove that and women are just weak men and there is no reason to do anything for weak men. We don't do shit for weak men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:19 AM
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I mean being treated as a paycheck with no social value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:16 AM
1

Compared to who? I am inferior to many men for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:14 AM
-1

So just as a paycheck with no social value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:13 AM
-3

But you're considered to lose value if you don't have children, don't have enough children, aren't having children any more, etc. Oh no. My lobster is too buttery. I have a factory that means I am losing value if I don't use it. Of course. If you have an advantage over other and are not exploiting it you are losing value. And there's a limit to how much you can be valued in the first place as an incubator, it's a lot less than if you're valued for other things. There is a limit in being valued f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:13 AM
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You are not treated like men. Duh. Remove what make women unique and you would be ignored like men. Literally everything women get from men and society traces back to women being the ones that get pregnant and give birth. Remove that and women are just inferior men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:08 AM
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Have you considered that lots of women don't think that kind of monopoly is a good thing? Yes. And they are wrong. Having a monopoly on a. Good/service is always good. Let alone something as desired as the ability to have kids. Women can ask for literally anything and they get it or the man in front of her does not get to be a father. Just because you as a man think that way, doesn't mean every women does. Think better then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:43 AM
-1

The ability to have children really holds women back actually. Being valued for their ability to have children isn't pleasant as they're reduced to only or primarily that and their actual skills, talents and personalities are ignored That is a good thing. You don't lose value if your skills talents and personality are shit. That would give women so much, and being more equivalent to a man gives them more power and privilege so there's nothing to lose! See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:42 AM
2

That would come with being valued just as a dad is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:40 AM
2

So yes. Still dependent on a woman's consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:37 AM
-4

Do you have any idea of how much benefit women get because of that monopoly?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:37 AM
-2

I understand how having an option to have kids removing the negative effects on the body would be good. I don't understand how losing the monopoly would be good. Having a monopoly on a good/service is always something good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:36 AM
3

A surrogate? So consent from a woman? Still dependent on a woman's permission?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:23 AM
0

How does losing a monopoly increase anyone's power?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:22 AM
1

Your issue with point 5 is a weird one to me. I get it. Few people value consistency. My timeline is different with each relationship. Everything I did for, did with and tolerated from previous partners becomes base treatment for the next one. I can only improve and give more. Never less. I also have zero desire to treat people the same as my previous relationships. It is not about desire. It is about the principle of consistency. I would hope I have improved with each relationship so I would ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:44 PM
1

There are positives and negatives with going to college but as putting all in balance it is a negative when looking for the ideal traits in a partner. Most of the skills and traits that a woman or a man gets in college are something that I don't care about in a partner, even if they are good for the one going to college. And some of the traits they get are negatives for me when looking for a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:37 PM
1

Will you marry a woman like that ? Let's see point by point. Let's say there is a 26 year old woman with the following traits Has some youth to give. First positive. Average face card with average physique Positive. Works a decent job Slight negative. Been to college Negative but not that bad. Left leaning liberal Negative. Has slept with 6 men before you and 2 of them were LTR and 4 were NSA partners. All casual guys have been conventionally attractive (Tall, good looking and masculine). As lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:20 PM
1

One of the positives was that they don’t enjoy sex? That was not mentioned but sure. If you want to continue selling conservative women to me then why not add another trait. So are you asexual, or you just prefer having sex where the other person isn’t that into it or something? I like reliability. People that act out of duty instead of acting out of "I like it" are more reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:39 AM
1

They think empathy is bad period. They aren’t saying we shouldn’t coddle terrorists or serial killers. Many think empathy is literally a sin against their God and aligns you with Satan who they tend to believe is a literal being. It aligns with their blasphemous “prosperity gospel.” In my humble opinion they act like agents of the Antichrist. I was raised as a strict catholic, I no longer believe in any supernatural being but my values are strongly based on my upbringing. When I see the prosperi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:39 AM
1

Well modern day conservatism is antisocial at its core. I doubt it is. The Republican Party’s talking heads literally say empathy is bad. That is because in the hands of people without a strong in group bias it is. Empathy is good when you apply it to people that share your values. When applied to people that would gladly fuck you up then it is self destructive. So it makes sense you’d be drawn to it, assuming ASPD stands for what I think it does. I am too libertarian to be a conservative, but I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:16 AM
0

You didn't need to sell me on conservative women. I had enough positives in mind but I will gladly add those to the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:06 AM
1

I was asked how to find that attractive. I answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:29 PM
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His money, his attention, his efforts. Everything. If you want something from me then give me what I want. There will be trade or there will be nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:43 PM
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If you care about kids so much that you would rather not have them than take the risk that they would be psychologically unhealthy chances are that you are a better parent than the ones that are actually having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:34 PM
2

Nah. Give me the relationship I want and I could not give less of a fuck about any other human.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:49 PM
4

If you're an average man and cannot attract women for casual relationships, FWB situations, or NSA sex, then why is paying for it treated like some shameful last resort? I don't know and I don't care. The problem is not shame. The problem is that prostitutes and escorts don't sell long term exclusivity. Seriously how much time, money, and emotional exhaustion are men willing to dump into something that increasingly looks stacked against them? Around 60% of my time awake and I also add a few hour…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:46 PM
1

Fair. Could work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:24 PM
2

I doubt there is a universal response from men towards receiving gifts. Personally receiving gifts is something that does not affect me at all. If my partner feels good while doing so then good for her but I get no joy nor negative feeling from receiving gifts. It is an act that for me might as well not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:54 PM
1

Sure. Maybe that will convince them. Do you believe they were dating those men to begin with? Because if they weren't dating them then it didn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:44 PM
1

To make the ones that don't like the way men are voting realize that they have to convince them to vote differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:15 PM
2

I don't know how your question is related to what we are talking about. Please re phrase
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:45 PM
1

Not the same men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:44 PM
1

I do die from lack of sex. The fact that it takes more time than saying due to lack of air, water or food does not make it less lethal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:43 AM
0

Thank you for your perspective. It is a significant percentage of what is wrong with the world. Holy shit it creates a fucked up incentive structure
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:12 AM
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Good to know your perspective. That perspective is precisely what is wrong with the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:07 AM
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It is solipsism. Men can only date if they become what other people want and are willing to become something they are not in order to get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:06 AM
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So from your perspective a serial killer can have a better personality than a non serial killer? Am I understanding correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:59 AM
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Men never argue they are not shallow. Women are the ones that say that men end up alone because they are misogynistic (that means women care about personalities) When men point out that women are shallow they are pointing at the women that say they care about personality and then at the women that are interested in felons.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:53 AM
1

Then you better do something before they get someone they want in a high position in government? Oh wait... Well better do something before they do it twice... Oh wait... Well better do something before they keep doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:38 AM
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Now tell me how am I supposed to find the lack of mental drive and the willful ignorance attractive? In case this is a serious question. "Here we have someone that knows what they want in life and is willing to pay the price to live in a way that is related to his own values"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:36 AM
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You've never encountered an objectively-attractive woman who was a total turnoff because something about her personality revealed that she was just a piece of shit human being? No. Sexual attraction and moral considerations are in two different boxes and they don't interact unless I want to make a decision and use both boxes at the same time. I can decide not to give a chance to that piece of shit and still recognize she is the most attractive human I have ever seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:34 AM
1

Curious way to say "honesty"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:32 AM
3

"No I wouldn't be attracted?" Or "No I would not date a man I am not attracted to"? The first option is a tautology. The men in question is defined as unattractive so that is not interesting. The second option has me confused. Considering the concessions given to OP: physically weaker Since you are weaker doesn't it make sense to pick a man that can compensate for that weakness instead of going for attractiveness? dealing with a monthly cycle Doesn't it make sense to pick a partner that is willi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:23 AM
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Considering those women can find a man interested in them using the internet and one week of their time at most then I say the men that fit the description I gave are the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:00 AM
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I guess all the men that have no options and fit the description I gave are not human and don't count towards the argument. Makes sense. They are unattractive so they might as well not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:54 AM
1

Conditions: adult, human, female, alive. Some of those may be optional for some freaks
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:31 AM
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You asked two different questions. Question for men: if you were a woman, would you genuinely be attracted to a man who gets zero attention from women? I probably would not be attracted to him. So no. That being said why would I ever make decisions on who I dare based on attractiveness if I was a woman? There are other priorities. Lets say you were a woman and all the cards are stacked against you I do not believe that is the case but let's see what I will be conceding for the sake of argument. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:28 AM
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Interesting I would rather be loved the way women love than the way men love. It's largely why I value platonic love more than romantic love. The thing is. Women only love men as long as they keep up. The moment they stop keeping up with whatever is used to measure them love stops. I am tired of keeping up. I rather be valued for what I am. Being is passive. Keeping up is not. The way men love things is fine bc things aren't alive . U can lock it up and it has no needs or wants or desires. But i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:23 PM
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There is always a man that will consider a woman pretty. The internet makes sure that that mind is at reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:27 PM
3

An option that is not acceptable is not an option. When you have to pick between unhealthy food and starvation you pick unhealthy food. There is no choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:00 PM
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Not acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:45 AM
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That was my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:27 AM
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Men don't have options. They take what they can get. Red flags or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:27 AM
-1

Men don't have options. Being an incel is not acceptable. Therefore they will take what they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:27 AM
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As I always said. Being an incel is not acceptable. Men don't have options. Therefore they will take what they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:26 AM
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Men (heterosexual) can easily see the red flags in men because they have no romantic nor sexual interest in them. Men (heterosexual) can't easily see the red flags in women because they have romantic/sexual interest in them. When you don't have hormones messing things up red flags are easy to see. It is not that women should be able to easily spot the red flags in men and then "choose better". It is that women should listen to people not blinded by nature when they are pointing at red flags they…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:34 PM
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What do you want to be valued for? For what I am. I am a body and the electrical/chemical patterns within it. Imagine ideal relationship, whatever it is for you. What do you want for your woman to value you for? For my body first. Social interactions second. The latter being a proxy for the electrical/chemical patterns within a body. Like that would the thing that she likes the most about you. What do you want her to appreciate about you? Be specific, please. "Personality" isn't the answer here.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:44 PM
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People here seem to believe that would be too transactional to be considered a mutual relatioship
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:58 PM
2

At that point they are no longer prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:57 PM
1

Not really. Prostitutes don't sell long term exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:09 PM
-1

I don't even believe in the concept of self respect. I want, look for someone willing to trade. We trade. We both get what we want.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:04 PM
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Can’t imagine why more women aren’t signing up for that… Because the pay is not high enough. Everyone has a price.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:01 PM
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Not oblivious about it. I know it and I am ok with it. I have to pay for everything I enjoy in life I don't see why this would be any different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:00 PM
-1

So we are arguing semantics? What most people call love vs what you call love?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:10 PM
2

Same difference. View them as creates an image that comes closer to reality
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:57 AM
2

I also treat my friends as valued posessions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:54 AM
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Some men value some possessions. This one is the mot common one. I’d rather be seen as a human than just a thing. This is a woman moment. Men know the way we value other men "like a human" we don't care if they are homeless and dying on the street. That is what treating like a human looks like for men. "Oh so you are a human that means you are fully responsible for the situation you are in. Fuck you, you are on your own. Now if you are an object then it makes sense someone needs to care for you"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:43 AM
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If you genuinely believe they would run off with someone else unless you controlled them, then you already believe they do not love you. An alternative: I believe love as all feelings, is a fickle thing and thus can't be trusted to build anything lasting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:34 AM
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Thank you for making my point. I would rather be valued in the way men value their possessions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:29 AM
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"as long as certain criteria are being met" That means that what is expected from the guy is a lot. Like change your entire lifestyle and personality lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:25 AM
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Good to know you don't understand the way men treat their valued posessions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:24 AM
1

Five out of seven women rejecting him based on his behavior Two out of seven women did not reject him? Holy shit he has good game/looks. With Chad numbers like that makes sense to filter for incompatibility. I would think that man is losing. Because if dating is a numbers game and therefore men can’t be picky or else they would end up with no options, I would say this is a self-defeating strategy he just picked. Well he clearly can be picky. 29% rate of not rejection is stupid high. And the othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:07 AM
4

Think about the the way a man treats and cares for the posessions/things he values. His collection. His car. A cause. Whatever. Think about the time spent, the mainteneance realized. The aestethic consideration for the display of this posession. The care so it doesn't break. The lenghts willing to go to repair it. How little they want from their posessions besides that they keep their identity. Now compared that to the way women treat their partners. I rather be valued in the way a man values th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:58 AM
2

I never said it was a true dichotomy. I am trying to know if the person reading/answering believes that the world would be better if people do as they please or as their moral code demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:49 AM
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I will take this with pride.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:48 AM
1

Sex is fundamentally a reward system because men change their entire lives in an effort to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:17 PM
0

Basically. You are assuming I have preferences. I don't. I am water. My shape is the shape of the container I am in. My enjoyment does not come from what I do but from what I think about what I am doing. So I can enjoy anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:52 PM
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I have no specific interest other than using my partner's past behavior to define what I want from her. So if she never did anything that involves discomfort and pain then she has nothing to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:48 PM
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Why do you ask your Partner to do Sex Acts she Does not Like? Because I care about consistency as a principle. Also I don't ask. I make the rules for the relationship to continue clear since before the relationship begins. She does not do her part means I am leaving. I am trying to understand why some people believe that if your partner tried a certain sex act with someone in the past, that means she should *have* to do it with you too, especially if she has expressed discomfort, pain, or emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:47 PM
1

Sex involves another person. Ay least one. And it creates an incentive structure that affects every single human that wants sex and the one that interact with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:15 PM
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If you don't follow your moral code when doing so would be against your preferences you have no moral code.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:56 PM
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Googled it. Sure. The word deformity seems to be used lightly. It doesn't has any effect in what I would think about a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:55 PM
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Fair point. Maybe you believe the current decision making patterns are already aligned with your moral code.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:50 PM
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Not an option I presented. Please pick between the options I gave.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:49 PM
2

For anyone else reading. Take a drink for any mention of "I" "me" "myself". I almost envy that level of self centeredness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:48 PM
-3

Not an option I presented. Please pick between the options I gave.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:46 PM
-1

Which world is better? A world in which people act bases on what they want or a world in which people act bases in a moral code and reward adherence to that moral code?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:39 PM
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It is your problem. Their actions create incentive structures and you live in a world that is a direct result of those incentive structures
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:27 PM
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Including "being good in bed'" as a trait the woman rewards is not something that requires a high IQ to imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:26 PM
1

Including "being good in bed'" as a trait the woman rewards is not something that requires a high IQ to imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:26 PM
5

Long story shorts there is no contradiction. First you get the leverage and then you work on everything else. If/when everything else struggles, leverage buys you time until everything else stops struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:44 AM
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Men have sex with people they wouldn't even talk to if they didn't want to have sex with them. And proud to be so open minded and inclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:18 PM
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Ok. Both options are horrible. Life without meaningful friendships and life without sex both would make me want to take a bath with a toaster but I understand that the point of the thought exercise is to pick one or the other removing all other variables. I pick option A. Option B has a good chance to end up badly precisely because there is continuity between each encounter. Sure there is potential for benefit but there is a non negligible potential for making an already horrible situation even …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:12 PM
2

In a democracy enough people can change the definition of what a human right is. And they can do so as equal decision makers. And using democracy to vote a tirany is legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:14 PM
2

Good luck. Edit. Not clear enough. In a democracy you have to convince the people that are willing to vote your rights away.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:58 PM
2

Sure. See the middle east. I guess not even in the middle east women are capable of using those methods to get rights. They are still dependent on men being willing to give them rights
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:48 PM
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You would give a fuck if what they want is to change the laws in the country you live in a way that hurts you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:19 PM
0

See how that works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:18 PM
1

The end result is that men don't get to have male only spaces. The reasoning behind it is irrelevant. The result is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:17 PM
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Fair enough. I am sure it plays no role and it will play no role at all in any future elections. I am sure young men are not affected at all by the way they are treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:10 PM
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No. Does the validity of an argument changes depending on any aspect or trait present in the one making it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:09 PM
2

Let's say you are correct. Then should men have male only spaces or the very existence of them is an issue for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:04 PM
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Then the reason they can't have those spaces isn't because we oppose any kind of support for men based on gender but because they insist on creating spaces that create another social issue. The reason behind it is irrelevant. The result is the same. How about hobby groups? I know many hobbies eventually link back to possibility of making money but it's still not the same thing than 15 men or 15 women majority in work place creating a club that further excludes the 3 women or 3 men that are in mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:57 PM
1

Men bond over shared activities. All male only spaces will eventually end up being "around work"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:41 PM
-4

That is so convincing. Convincing enough that the orange man won twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:27 PM
4

Thanks for making my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:27 PM
3

It works to fuck up men for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:18 PM
3

Well the first world is importing third worlders to deal with the low birth rates
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:17 PM
3

The term was "equally capable" not just "capable"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:16 PM
-4

Until one of the parties embraces sharia.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:44 PM
7

I am sure there is no biological advantage that makes a difference in handling recoil, carrying large quantities of ammo etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:42 PM
3

They made the Duluth model part of the law. Come on it isn't even close. When men do it , it is a crime. When women do it it is the law of the land.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:30 AM
6

Are they equally capable though?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:20 AM
4

The end result of male only spaces is that men help each other instead of helping women. Therefore the existence of male only spaces results in women getting less help/ opportunities. Therefore the existence of male only spaces is against women's interests. Therefore women don't allow male only spaces to remain male only.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:19 AM
-2

Come on. He said ban it as a hate group. Not that it is a hate group.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:14 AM
5

General you, not specific you. But the point was made. Women do care about male spaces because the existence of male spaces is against their own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:13 AM
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No. I am saying that men are stronger. Therefore they have more changes to act as terrible people. I believe women are equally as horrible is just that they are weaker sl they don't get the chance to act as terrible people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:12 AM
6

Strength attracts evil. Nothing can be done about it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:11 AM
7

You said And we don't care if you make male-only spaces. Do it. Stop crying. I am arguing that you do care. And you do stop male only spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:10 AM
-5

Will remember when voting. Then you wonder why some nasty figures end up in office.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:07 AM
4

Women are not more virtuous, they are weaker. Men are not more evil, they are stronger. The strong abuse the weak, gender is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:06 AM
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Men are more capable of using force so of course they will do more heinous shit. It is not that women are more virtuous. It is that women are weaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:05 AM
2

Work related. Men bond over shared goals and activities. Put enough men around each other and they end up working together. If they met at work then it is even easier to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:04 AM
-1

Yes. But it is the reason why male only spaces never remain male only.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:59 AM
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And we don't care if you make male-only spaces But you do care. Because it is in those spaces where men meet each other and convince each other to give each other positions, rises in salary and other economic/social advantages. Then there is a complain that it is unfair and discriminatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:57 AM
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Even then we still aren’t trafficking, murdering, raping you guys anywhere near the rate you do us Because you are unable. When a woman is able to do those things she does. See ghislaine maxwell. nor calling for the repeal of laws for male voting and ownership rights. Because you can't get away with it. Any laws against men that women can get away with it they pass. See Spain. “Misandry” is a response to thousands of years of misogyny. Men aren’t use to women returning the same energy in droves …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:50 AM
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if your standards for a woman include her not doing these things, that is perfectly fine, but you need to make your expectations clear from the very beginning. Let's start saying we are on complete agreement here. Clear communication and expectations right from the beginning. Hell, even before the beginning. I do disapprove of anyone who makes a conscious attempt to seduce others while in a relationship. there is a difference between wearing a tight crop top because you think it's fashionable, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:31 AM
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Going up and flirting. The only way men get women is if they do that. And that is the way men get into relationships. So following your logic it makes sense that a woman should allow his partner to continue to do exactly that because that is the behavior that he exhibited before dating her and she was well aware of it. In fact she was so aware of it that she picked him because he was behaving in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:06 AM
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first of all, if she knows he hits up women while in a relationship, she should not get into a relationship with him in the first place. if she didn't know and it came as a surprise, she should not stay with him. Not part of the scenario second of all, the female equivalent of hitting on 5 women every night would probably be giving your number out to 5 men every night, or going up to guys and seducing them. being attractive is NOT cheating. Women don't approach. They put themselves in a position…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:04 AM
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So if a woman enters into a relationship with a man that, previous to dating her, tried to hit with 5 women a night this woman should be ok with this man continuing to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:23 AM
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So how is that working out for the middle east?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:27 PM
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So convincing that he got elected twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:26 PM
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Nature does not care about fair but the law exists to fix that. Or should we use "nature does not care about fair" when a stronger man decides a woman should do as he says or else be beaten?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:20 PM
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We can’t have laws that treat everyone as equal because we aren’t biologically equal. Then why should women vote if we are not biologically equal? I am sorry but if we are going to use law to correct things when biology is unfair to women then it makes sense to use law to correct things when biology is unfair to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:19 PM
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Men will remember this answer when voting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:41 PM
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Not being allowed a legal option to avoid being a parent after conception while women do have that option. The existence of legally allowed/incentivized gender discrimination against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:39 PM
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If an issue affects poor people regardless of gender, it is not part of "men's issues" nor "woman's issues" Feminist expects men to be allies and to care and help solve women's issues. As in issues that affect only women or mainly women. And they expect them to do it because it is the right thing to do, not in exchange for some kind of benefit (as it should be with any kind of ally in any other kind of circumstance)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:34 PM
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Quite the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:12 PM
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All of those and worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:59 PM
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Or maybe you are wrong and being single is worse than being in a bad relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:55 PM
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Adequate flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:55 PM
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Many men would disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:41 PM
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That sounds like a woman I would commit to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:40 PM
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Irrelevant to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:49 AM
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A guy that rips off old people to sell medication vs a guy that works in aged care because he cares about elder people are vastly different morality wise I don't think so. Anyone of any kind of moral fiber can end up in any job. I manipulator can end up in a moral job because it is a good mask. A moral human can end up on an immoral job out of necessity/lack of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:48 AM
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Another reason it would be easier if I was a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:39 PM
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I believe you. Would be good if you returned the favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:30 PM
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You are free to not trust me. I assume for the sake of argument that the people taking to me are not lying. They may be mistaken but they are not trying to avoid the truth on purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:21 PM
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So they would be payed even more and would be able to support even bigger families.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:52 PM
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Women working are at fault. Double the amount of workers, divide the worth of labor by two.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 07:05 PM
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I believe that only with a photo, a description and access to the internet I can find men interested in her in less than a month. More than the number of women a man might find interested in him in two years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:46 PM
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Read the previous comments. This was addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:33 PM
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Now my question is would you date an overweight woman to be a stay at home husband? Yes I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:33 PM
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Fair point. I still believe that a life without difficulties is not possible though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:11 PM
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I rather trust in a partner that I chose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:11 PM
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But if I was a woman I would be the one that is working basically without competition. Women today suck as partners. The few that don't get to pick the men they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:10 PM
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You can't seriously tell me that the goal I provided is easier for men than for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:09 PM
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My bad for picking wrong then
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:08 PM
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It doesn't have to be good nor reliable for it to be my goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:08 PM
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Well my goal has nothing to do with a career. I would loved to be a stay at home parent/partner and you can't tell me that is easier for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 06:06 PM
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It is way more difficult to find a woman that knows how to be a partner first. Those women are so rare that they might as well have no competition
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:58 PM
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Not working for a boss. Being a stay at home parent/partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:36 PM
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Forced you? Please tell me how.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:28 PM
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So no other goal other than a college degree? Because if that is the main goal in your life I feel sorry for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:28 PM
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No. That life does not exist. It's like asking me if flying by levitating and shooting lasers out of my eyes is a goal. No it isn't. Goals must be something achievable. A life without difficulties is not achievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:27 PM
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You can't trust in the economy either. Having the option to not work makes life easier than not having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:26 PM
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Diversity quotas favour women in academia. So if your objective lies in college it is better to be a woman. Next goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:23 PM
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Women can still have someone else work to support their lifestyle. That compensates for all those disadvantages and makes life easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:22 PM
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Sooo you did not answer. Which goals do you have that you believe it would be easier to achieve if you were a man? It is good to know your difficulties but I don't know your goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:19 PM
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If you as a woman are having a bad record while approaching you are approaching the wrong kind of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:17 PM
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Why. I don't see that data and see a difficult life. Women can still have someone else work to support their lifestyle. That compensares for all those disadvantages and makes life easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:15 PM
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Most men are not like you. Honestly never heard anyone call their job slavery or “serving” someone. You are exchanging labour for money - that’s not what slavery is I never called my job slavery. I said that considering your job a big part of your life is slave mentality. A job being shit doesn’t make it not a part of your life. It makes it not a big part of my life. Also, you can get a less shit job. Pursue education in a field you would prefer. Or do a shit job as long as you find it worth it …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:12 PM
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And I rather have been a woman. It would have been easier to get to my goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:08 PM
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Which goals do you have in life that you feel/think that you could have achieve them in an easier manner if you were a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:07 PM
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Ok. Then without any sympathy I can dismiss all of the data provided and just say that women have it easier anyways. Women have the option to find a man that is willing to support them instead of working. That is all that is needed to say that women have life in easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:06 PM
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Just because you have a shitty job and are bitter about it doesn’t mean everyone else is. Then tell me which percentage of men are privileged enough to be able to pick a job so good and fulfilling? What about the jobs that are shit? Someone has to do those jobs. This is the kind of victim attitude women are trying to avoid in men. No one is a victim here. No one said anything about being a victim. I just said that work is not a big part of a man's life. Who would want to be around someone so neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:52 PM
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Slave mentality. Sure maybe work is a big part of your life. For people that don't live to serve corporate overlords, uncaring bosses or even worse clients work is just a tool to get money. Money you use on your free time to do or at least try to do the things that are actually big part of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 03:09 PM
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Why do you believe it is a big part of a man's life? I mean sure it takes a lot of time from his life but that is not what makes something a big part of a man's life. If that was the case then sleep is as big. What makes something a big part of a man's life is his decision to keep that something in his life no matter what. A job is just a job. Just a tool to get money. Jobs come and go. What is a big part of his life is what he does and wants to do no matter which job he has to keep the lights o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:35 PM
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Wouldn't that just turn any romantic partner into a antagonist that is always viewed with scepticism and distrust? That sounds like a self fulling prophecy. No. Men understand they have no intrinsic value. The only value there is exists in the utility they provide to others. Others are not in the wrong for acting in a way that respects reality. You can't resent or distrust someone that does not want to keep someone in their life if that someone has no value. That just makes sense. Staying with s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:26 PM
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Basically. Men that are realistic don't expect women to value them for anything other than utility. If they expect to be valued in other ways that doesn't change the fact that utility comes first and the relationship is over if the utility is not there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:19 PM
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Not the same user. Just one that shares everything u/TopShelfSnipes said for now. I do believe the only sure proof a man could get that would be evidence of a woman valuing for who he is instead of valuing him for his utility is if she continues to be with him when the utility is not there. I doubt any men would consider it realistic that a woman has 0 expectation from him or the relationship. Though that would also be proof of being valued for something other than his utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:10 PM
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A shame I can only upvote once
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:29 PM
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Let's try to answer in a way that corresponds to the effort used in the post. Disclaimer: male, mid to late 30s, got financial stability first then used it, in an absolutely transactional and happy relationship for the last decade+. as a financial consultant, i’ve seen too many men go broke trying to impress women. why? Need + idiocy. Need to not be an incel and idiocy because they are doing things out of order. why are so many hardworking men destroying their finances trying to impress women? S…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:21 PM
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The same point that exists for doing everything else. Because it is the best option available to you to achieve your goals. If that is not the case then don't date. Of course first you must know what your goals are and then know how many of them you can realistically get without dating a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 10:09 AM
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Please tell me how women love men. I want to know what comparison you have in mind
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 10:02 AM
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No. What he did was give me enough information about her. I found enough information to know some things that mosst people would lie about. I asked her a lot of questions including some I already know the answer to. Once I know she is not lying about those I can ask the rest of the questions and believe she is less likely to be lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:46 AM
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Weird. I can't see the post with your answer but I do get the notification. If the fact that she settled for me ends up creating a dead bedroom I will leave the relationship. I am clear about what I want in a relationship when the relationship starts. If I am not getting what I want I leave. The deal was clear from the beginning. The only way she gets something from me is if I am getting what I want from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:37 PM
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I did hire one. I don't know the details of how one works. If I did I would not need one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:35 PM
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As long as the relationship is sexual, settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:33 PM
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And how expensive/time consuming is to make myself enough of a human/success object for me to get this woman interested in me? Because if I have to pay a high price in time/effort then I rather be alone. The price and time and effort is worth it mainly because of sex. It is quite a large part of what makes a relationship worth the pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:49 PM
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I don't think that is possible but if it is/was possible then sure. I am ok with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:46 PM
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Yes I am leaving. If we are getting serious then she already knows that everything she did for, did with and tolerated from previous partners is something I want as base treatment. It shouldn't surprise her. I am out. I want consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:01 PM
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I believe change is not something good. Maybe it would be better to do the changing before getting into a relationship with that idea of having children so both remain the same before and after having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:54 PM
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Sure chances are you will change and I can absolutely see how that is needed for the sake of the kid but that does not change the fact that changing the traits that made the relationship work is likely to make the relationship stop working.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:12 PM
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Disclaimer. I agree with the OP. Don't have kids unless you are ok for the changes or unless you are high value enough that your partner is willing to do anything to keep you. The problem that the vast majority of these men whose partners changed after kids have is not that the woman changed. Their problem is that they didn't. Why do you assume change is a good thing? Usually when a man picks a woman he picks her because of the traits she already has. Change can only fuck things up. Why change w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:02 AM
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Or I am a nutcase.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:20 PM
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So when they gain 50 pounds you still like them right? When they are 80 years old? You still desire them? Since they are still in the same body. Obviously. In your opinion, are the only women who have observable desire for men are the ones in abusive relationships? Not really. The women that enter into relationships without knowing anything about a man other than his looks and end up in non abusive relationship are also a good example of observable desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:06 PM
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But that is the case. Once I develop (whatever it is I develop towards my partner) I am the perfect example of the "wife googles" effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:58 PM
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So the only desire you approve of or count is “I think their body is hot and want to have sex with it.” That would be the only desired that is directed towards what I am. Every other desire is directed to something I am not. I don't disapprove any desire. I’m not allowed to add in any additional information before trying to have sex with that body. You are allowed. I can’t want for them to be attracted to me too. I can’t want them to care about my pleasure or my safety. I can’t want them to list…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:56 PM
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Well you can change your body and you are still the same human. So liking someone’s body is liking them for who they are either. You can lose weight, gain weight, go to the gym, get plastic surgery, shave, not shave, change your hairstyle of facial hair etc But it is the same body. You can change that body's traits but you don't change the body. So basically it seems you are saying there is no possible way to like someone for who they are - meaning it cannot be “bad” to not like someone based on…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:42 PM
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It is not bad per se. It's just that it is not liking a man for who he is A human is not his actions. A human can change all the actions they take and they remain the exact same human.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:33 PM
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Women in comas aren’t corpses. They have electrical and chemical patterns. They are alive. They are just human bodies. That’s the same to men like you. Well those patterns are clearly faulty. A man’s character and personality will effect how he acts. How he touches the woman. Some women will like his actions. Some won’t. If you don’t care about a woman’s actions how is sex with a coma patient any different? I am not saying I don't care about her actions. Just that she is not her actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:29 PM
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That is just a limitation on language because we can't see the electrical/chemical patterns nor describe them. So we rely on what we can see. The actions. If you don't believe me imagine a manipulator, that learns that the only way for him to get what he wants is to be seen as charitable. Let's say he wants to fuck a woman that works for charity and is really into charitable people. He will take the actions that define a charitable human. But he is not one. He is selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:26 PM
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I am working with the situation described by OP. In that situation women have little if not nothing to get from men. I built my argument in a way that does not need to challenge anything said by OP. My argument here says nothing about my personal perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:17 PM
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Would you rather us be unconscious? Nope. The difference between a human and a corpse is in the chemical/electrical patterns within it. I like humans more than I like corpses. There have been a few men lately that have come in here to say that women aren’t attracted to men. That men desire women for their bodies. And that we are our bodies. Bodies and the electrical chemical patterns within said bodies. That our personalities and character aren’t us. Those would be the patterns. And since women …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:16 PM
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So long as the government puts all the deadbeat dads into work camps As long as women don't receive any money I am ok. and allows for abortion. I am ok with it as long as people have to pay for it with their own money. It's been shown over and over again that the reason women have to receive more social services is the child penalty. Pick a father willing to stay and pay. The entire point is to make woman pick the right man and trade with him so she gets what she wants and he gets what he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:06 PM
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Fair enough. What I meant is that what I like lacks importance compared to my search for consistency. If to get consistency I need to deal with things I don't like I will take both.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:39 PM
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It simply makes me sad for you to feel as though you have so little other avenue of self worth. There is no self worth. The only worth there is is what people are willing to give to benefit from you. And a bit mad that you would counsel bringing all of society backwards to accommodate that. Deliberately shackle other people in order to get yourself ahead in the race, as it were. I did not counsel anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:38 PM
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I am working with the situation described by OP. In that situation women have little if not nothing to get from men. I built my argument in a way that does not need to challenge anything said by OP. My argument here says nothing about my personal perspective. why are those your only two options? Personal position: being an Intel makes me suicidal so anything that gives me a stable relationship is a better alternative and I found out that being the only chance my partner has to access her desired…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:27 PM
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Straight faced, you are recommending bending society towards either prostitution or sugaring relationships I am not recommending it. Just pointing out that if the reason for the current situation is women being economically independent and you want to change current situation then it makes sense to address the stone upon which this situation is built. Do you prefer to never truly know that you are valued for anything other than money? Over being an incel? Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:52 PM
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women are economically independent now. Found the solution. Go after women that are not economically independent. Also vote for any politician that wants to remove/reduce redistribution of wealth so women are less likely to get help from men through taxes and social programs. If they want men's money they can ask for it and trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:40 PM
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In the same way women of this generation look at women of previous generations on their last years and say " I don't want to end up like that" The only way women of future generations will learn ks by looking at the end results of previous generations of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:23 PM
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Whatever I gave to previous standards becomes the base for future partners. Next partner asks me to become shorter/poorer/change the way I dress etc to be the same as I was before then she will get it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:43 PM
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It gives me what I want. Sad or not
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:34 PM
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I hired a private investigator to know most of what she did before I met her. Then when negotiating the terms for our possible relationship I told her what I did. I told her what I wanted and that if she lied to me even once the opportunity would be lost. I asked her a lot of things I knew the answer to most. Once I saw that she did not lie about the things I did know I could trust her about the things I didn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:34 PM
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Better frustrated than inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:32 PM
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Private investigator. I look for someone to spend my life with. Doing a background check to find everything is just common sense
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:31 PM
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Sounds like a you problem You said I should go to a hooker. I explained why that would not be a good idea. Do you even have a gf? Yes. I spend the last decade with her and I aim to spend the rest of my life with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:22 PM
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She's not a hooker. If you view it as a trade you probably should just see a hooker tbh. Hookers don't sell what I want. They don't even sell long term exclusivity. She doesn't have to tell you what she's done with other men. That's a cuck fetish. I will find out. She does not have to tell me. If she truly is that good hiding her past that I can't find out then I am not interested in her anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:11 PM
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Women don't owe men kinky sex acts I agree. And I don owe women anything. So we will trade and both get what we want or we both walk away. Dating and relationships is supposed to be about compatibility, companionship and love. I prefer trade. Even if she has done something before, it doesn't mean she likes it and even if she hasn't done it before she may not want to do it and may not like the idea of trying it. You should want to do sexual acts with her that she actually likes. Or we can trade. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:04 PM
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I am for real and I found my partner a decade ago. I am fine
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:44 PM
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Persuasive. Adequate for a debate subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:19 PM
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The latter
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:14 PM
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That's insabely stupid. If it's her first relationship, first everything, you'd just have no expectations of standards? Precisely. Everything would be a first and by definition her best. You'd be happy with her abusing you, cheating on you, insulting you because "well, she's never had a partner she didn't do that with"? Another principle of mine is monogamy. So other than cheating I can take the abuse and insults. My mind is weird. Those do nothing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:08 PM
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As long as it remains monogamous (another principle of mine) then I doubt there is a stop for me in my search of fairness and consistency. What I like is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:06 PM
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A statement without an argument backing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:05 PM
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Willing to try X. Is better than not willing to try X.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:04 PM
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Yes. Exact same amount of times.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:04 PM
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why would you focus on how she treated other men before you instead of how she treated you instead? why not focus on your needs being met in the relationship instead of focusing on wheither the need of her previous partner were being met or not? What I need is defined by her past. I want/need consistency and fairness. relationships usually don't have a blueprint That is why I create one it's two people vibing and making their own rules and boundaries and compramises etc Disgusting. I rather have…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:03 PM
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If she wants to do it again sure. I ask about that kind of thing. If I am in area with someone is because I know about it and I want consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:48 PM
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You said you wouldn’t French kiss a woman who used to not like French kissing though. Maybe I was unclear. I would not expect french kissing from a woman that never did that for any previous partner. That does not mean that said activity is forbidden. Just that it is not expected Do you want to do a sex act with your partner that they hate? How is that “fair?” If it is in her past, it is part of her best. At least the exact same amount of times. The same applies for my actions. If I did X 3 time…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:46 PM
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If someone doesn’t enjoy the same activities as you, and that is dealbreaker, then by all means just end that relationship. What I do enjoy is consistency and fairness. Not a specific activity. I will define what I want and enjoy by looking at the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:23 PM
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If she did something she really didn’t enjoy, that’s different, and consistency and fairness doesn’t apply, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be a dealbreaker for you. We all get to decide what works and doesn’t work for us. It does apply and it would be a deal breaker. On the flip side, if there was something you did that you really didn’t like, you may not want to do that again. But I will do it again. Because consistency. The exact same amount of times. Because consistency. I think it’s good for…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:20 PM
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I talk about actions. Not inactions. Actions create a standard for future relationships. They create a base. You can build on top of that base (add new actions) and those new actions add to the base for future relationships. I can only add, never subtract. Future partners get whatever previous partners got as a base, could get more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:14 PM
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Why is what you want defined by her past? Don’t you have desires independent of other people? Being in a LTR. The details on how that LTR looks are defined by her past. Why do you care about consistency? It is a principle. There is no reason why. Everything starts from principles and nothing is before them. If there was something before them then that something would be a principle instead. If she didn’t like French kissing before but she did like it with you would you refuse French kissing beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:01 PM
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Because if you (general) are okay with an unhappy relationship in which you are not getting your needs met and she treats you poorly, all because you think it’s “fair” that she treated all her exes poorly too, that is a sign of misplaced priorities and terrible decision making. But fairness makes me happy and keeps my needs met. I genuinely think it is mental illness to be okay with a relationship like that, to willingly put yourself in agony and emotional hurt all because you are afraid that sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:57 AM
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How does sharing love and interestingness incompatible with my position?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:55 AM
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Why would it change your decision making process if in both cases(her having a previous relationship or not) you weren’t getting what you wanted ? Because what I want is defined by her past. I don't want anything unless it is in her past. You talk about consistency and fairness but this is a relationship between individuals going through life, who learn, change and grow. If she does the acts reluctantly in the name of consistency and fairness did she really give you her best ? Yes. She is being …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:53 AM
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Hi. Retard here. Would you mind explain what is wrong about that? I fail to see the problem and I would like to add to my understanding of different perspectives. I do hear disagreement on the matter but rarely someone bothers to make an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:39 AM
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Her giving “her best” to another man before is irrelevant. Maybe I will decide what is relevant for me in the only life I get to have. It is irrelevant if she was more sexually open or enthusiastic with a previous partner because that’s not the reason you should be upset. You should be upset because you are not getting your wants met. What I want is consistency and fairness. I get to define what those look like in a relationship by looking at her past actions. If you wanted to have crazy kinky s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:32 AM
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So a male brain with a personality that is compatible enough with me to the point that I want to be their friend and said brain/personality lies in a female body? Best of both worlds. Such person would be great as a partner. "No woman is below a 5/10 crazy. If you found one she is a dude"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:58 AM
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Sure I agree that sex and physical attraction are not all that is needed to keep a relationship alive. That does not change the fact that being valued as a sex object for my body is closer to being valued for who I am than being valued for anything I do or achieve. I remain the same human if I change my actions or the success of my actions. Only the body remains so identity lies in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:55 AM
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What I don't like is the monopoly that exists that makes me dependent on someone else's consent to have a happy and fulfilling life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:08 AM
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