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The manosphere isn’t really “thriving” in any real sense. The Redpill is stagnant and basically irrelevant at this point. Blackpill is largely viewed as a goofy meme or fringe “streamer nonsense” by most people. (And even through that lens it’s losing steam.) I don’t think it’s as deep as your making it honestly. I just think that a lot of young men (especially ones that are still teenagers just getting out high school) tend to have a very childish, juvenile idea of what masculinity looks like. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:37 PM
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I feel what you’re saying is definitely true for a lot of guys but at the same time, there is a real form of “jester-maxing” that goes way beyond simply having a decent personality. There is a point where the person is trying way too hard and making themselves look like an idiot basically. But then there are also the type of morons you described that think it’s everyone else’s fault that they have a boring, trash ass personality. Both things can true at the same time in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:46 PM
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Maybe but on the other hand, you could also make the argument that many men here are really just simps for men instead of women ironically. In the real world, most men aren’t anywhere near close enough to perfect to avoid any criticism. So I don’t know why some people feel like it’s a controversial thing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:42 PM
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Did I not just give you real world examples such as the declines in literally sexual activity, the declines in birth rates, the declines in marriage rates? You’re just being stubborn and refusing to acknowledge reality at this point if you think the decline in romance is simply a terminally online thing. No one’s talking about something as simple as typing “hoe” in to a calculator. Not only does real world data prove you wrong. But it’s being acknowledged to different extents all over the world …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:30 AM
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On an individual level, sure. But collectively the vitriol and animosity between men and women is ridiculously high even compared to what it was when I was a kid. You can sit here and say nothing has changed if you want, but not only are the continually dropping birth rates/sex rates/marriage rates saying differently… But even when I was younger, there was no one complaining about a loneliness epidemic. There was no Redpillers, blackpillers, pinkpillers, etc. There was no online constant pissing…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:47 AM
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It’s still equal even in dating because you aren’t actually forced to do any of that shit tho… If a man agrees to those arrangements then that’s his personal choice. It’s like someone claiming that society isn’t equal because some women choose to be tradwives. That’s nonsense. Those women aren’t forced to do any of that bullshit. They just want to in order to date some specific individual. But that’s on them just like it’s on the man if he agrees to be the provider in his relationships. That’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:39 AM
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I think what they’re saying is that we were already trending in a more cynical direction (in terms of our collective views on romance) when those books/shows were written. So those media are an example of what OP is referring to. As the genders “learned” more about each other, the idea of traditional romance began to fade further and further. With social media just accelerating the trend to its final conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:32 AM
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According to actual research (aka the “studies” you were going on about) they don’t like all sexists equally tho… The “hostile sexist” men were rated the LEAST attractive by women. ”Previous research has shown that women appear to like benevolently sexist men. For instance, a 2010 German study found that female undergraduate students considered benevolently sexist men as most likable, and hostile sexist men as least likable. Men who were nonsexist were liked more than the hostile sexist men, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:45 PM
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https://www.psypost.org/study-finds-women-including-feminists-attracted-benevolently-sexist-men/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:31 PM
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The so-called “sexists” that women have sex with are usually “benevolent sexists” according to those studies you love so much. So it’s basically just guys that believe in chivalry and being nice to women because they’re women. That’s actually more congruent with the Bluepill than Redpill in reality. But I don’t expect you to have known that because none of you “Pill guys” that obsess over “studies” actually bother to read or properly understand them from what I’ve observed
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:12 PM
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I mean… Yeah, it’s not the best thing in the world in terms of long-term stability. And it’s definitely not the type of world that I would’ve created if I had a say the matter. But none of that changes the fact that it does indeed seem to be the reality of the world we live in (to some extent at least), you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 11:07 PM
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I thought bluepill simply means that they don’t necessarily subscribe to Redpill or Blackpill ideology specifically? Where are you getting the idea that bluepill automatically means that they think morality is the only factor in attracting people? If anything they tend to believe that having a “good personality” is the key, but as I explained before, good personality doesn’t automatically mean they are referring to morals alone specifically tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:16 PM
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If they are specifically referring to morality alone, then I agree with you that they likely suffer from “Just-World Fallacy”. But I’ve personally seen dudes here automatically assume that a person is talking about morals even when they obviously aren’t. So I think those are both issues that make these kinds of conversations tricky.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:08 PM
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That’s not I interpreted what Wookie was saying honestly. Because that would be basically equivalent to saying “We’re not saying bad morality will hurt your success in dating, we’re saying bad morality will hurt your success in dating…” And I just don’t think that they’d make a distinction without a real difference. But I can kind of see how someone could interpret their comment in that way I guess. But I know for a fact that many dudes do automatically assume that people are talking about “good…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 10:05 PM
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Obviously if we use context clues here, they weren’t referring to “bad personality” as in “morally bad” here tho. They obviously meant bad in other ways, or else why would they even make a distinction between the two concepts in the first place? “Just-world fallacy” can literally only apply to people saying that your morality alone will be the biggest determinant in your success. But if they are referring to other things, such as your overall likability, charisma, social-skills, or whatever…. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:52 PM
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No, it’s frequently claimed that lonely men are because women “sense their toxicity” That’s not what the user you’re responding to is claiming tho… Which makes me kind of wonder whether the other users you’re referring to were actually claiming that as well tbh. Judging by your response here to “Solondthewookiee”, you might have also merely misinterpreted what those other posters were saying too ironically. Because the above poster never once mentions (or even hints) that they’re talking about m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:33 PM
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By that same logic, is it “just-world fallacy” to say that “anyone struggling romantically probably has a bad face” then? Because if saying that people with unattractive qualities (regardless of whether those qualities are physical or mental) will struggle more counts as “just-world fallacy”, then literally every one of the “Pills” would all qualify as “just-world” fallacies as well by that logic. All dating advice that tells you that “some people are simply more attractive and therefore will ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:22 PM
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They’re not saying “if you’re good” tho. By “bad personality” they seem to be talking about charisma, social skills, confidence, masculine-frame, etc. So what they’re saying is that if your personality is unattractive you will be more likely to struggle. Not that if you’re a bad person morally you’ll automatically struggle. This is the main point that people who throw around the term “just-world fallacy” seem to misunderstand from what I see. You’re the one that hears the phrase “bad personality…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:11 PM
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It seems like you’re the one that assumes that “bad personality” here is automatically referring to moral character actually. If what they mean by “bad personality” is an unattractive, unsexy personality… That wouldn’t really be just-world fallacy. Because it’s literally no different than saying that someone with an unattractive face will struggle compared to people will more attractive faces. Is that just-world fallacy? Or is that simply acknowledging that some faces are just naturally more att…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:05 PM
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Men never “paid a price” for sexual liberation dude… The “relationships” that occurred before that period were mostly just loveless (and often sexless) betabux situations where the women probably constantly cheated/cucked the guy out of sheer spite from being basically forced to be with him. Those are the exact type of relationships that men fear the most. So if anything, sexual liberation did men a favor as well in certain ways. It’s dumb how some of you act as if the period of women having to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:06 AM
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It’s just a quick Google search bruh. Now you’re gonna act like you don’t ever Google anything? If you say so pal. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:37 AM
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<image> I never claimed that they were the exact same thing btw. Just that they are strongly linked to each other. Hypocrisy itself is a type of contradiction… So you’ve really just been spazzing out for nothing bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:29 AM
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So you just want people to pretend that the claims made by Redpill exist in a vacuum and are magically immune to scrutiny all because “well, Redpill isn’t about men”?… Do you really think most people give a shit about you wanting to ignore the other half of the population’s behaviors just so you can continue to “muh women bad” all day? People will point out the hypocrisy, double-standards, contradictions… Whatever the fuck term or phrase you wanna call them. And just because you personally want …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:19 AM
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Exactly. Still not a contradiction. Even IF men are also hypergamous, that is not contradictory to the claim that women are. Actually, if the implication is that X trait is an inherent flaw or defect in women specifically… Then yes, it is a contradiction if you conveniently ignore that men also have this “defect” in order to disingenuously frame it as “female nature”… If the Redpill had always framed it as a human thing rather than framing it as “female nature” specifically(with the implication …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:07 AM
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"Men are hypergamous too" is not a contradiction to "women are hypergamous. TRP doesn't fucking care whether men are, as well. It focuses on women, and men also being hypergamous does not in any way discredit the claim women are. First off, yes it is. If I say that women have “X trait” but in reality everyone has that trait. Then at that point it’s not a woman-trait, it’s just a people-trait. Therefore framing it as a “women-trait” becomes a contradiction if you admit men have said trait as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:51 PM
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…So then, how do you explain “assortative mating” then? Why are women still getting into relationships with guys that are roughly on the same level as them? If women have this supposed innate hypergamous desire? And if you’re claiming that women are hypergamous in a looks sense when it comes to Alphas… Why is it even relevant if men do the same thing? At that point it’s not even a “woman thing” anymore but just a human thing. Redpill try’s to sweep this under the rug to pretend like it’s somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:41 PM
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Even within the Redpill itself there are inherent contradictions… If women are hypergamous and attracted to a man’s money or status genuinely (as opposed to them merely pretending to be) why do Redpillers see being a Betabux as a bad thing then? Why does even the Redpill itself frame it as being a negative (or at the very least inferior) position to be in compared to AlphaFux? If Redpill claims that women are actually just as attracted to money/status as they are to looks, why does it simultaneo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:28 PM
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If a woman can be genuinely attracted to a man based on his “lifestyle” but not find the man himself attractive (according to your understanding of Redpill), why do Redpillers claim that women aren’t actually attracted to the men that they choose as “Betabux providers” then? What separates the AlphaFux, from the Betabux according to your understanding of RP? Do you think that the women in Betabux relationships are genuinely attracted to the men? Or are they merely pretending to be in order to ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:23 PM
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There’s no parroting. I’m pointing out genuine contradictions and hypocrisies that Redpillers display. And hand-waving them away by saying “well those don’t because Redpill doesn’t speculate about male sexuality” objectively is a cop-out that avoids addressing the contradiction in question. I didn’t even mean that in a vitriolic way bruh. That’s just kind of a non-answer that doesn’t really even argue against the claim I made. You basically just said “those contradictions don’t concern me” as op…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:11 PM
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EDIT: u/BigZaddyZ3, where are you? really keen on getting your response here I had a lot of other posts to respond to when you first posted this. TRP does not speculate about male sexuality. Period. That just seems like a cop-out to avoid having to acknowledge the hypocrisy/contradiction honestly… As opposed to being a true explanation for it. It does not. Hypergamy applies to both AF and BB. So you’re claiming that there are two forms of hypergamy basically? One for looks and one for money? Wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:01 PM
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It doesn’t require anything other logical inconsistency. But even if it did require prescriptive claims, are you really going to try and argue that Redpillers don’t ever make prescriptive claims about who women “should” date or have sex with? Are you really going to claim that no Redpillers have ever claimed or implied what they think would “fix the dating market”?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:11 PM
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But hypocrisy itself has nothing to do with morality. Only logical inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:03 PM
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That’s irrelevant tbh. It’s hypocrisy regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:01 PM
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Do you know how generalisations work? And if you think all women go for either top looks or money, how does it contradict so called AWALT concept? Weren’t you just claiming that some women like one thing, other women like another? That directly contradicts AWALT dude. Also if you believe that women genuinely are attracted to top money, then that contradicts the concept of BetaBux. So either way you’re contradicting Redpill in one way or another. Redpill claims so many things that it seems even R…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:00 PM
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No I’m saying that Redpillers see nothing wrong with men speaking about their partners that way. But if a woman says anything other than “he’s literally the most bestest, strongest, sexiest man I’ve ever met” those same Redpiller will act as if she’s the devil-incarnate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:51 PM
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Oh… So what you’re saying is that women are inherently attracted to men with higher money and status, but if she doesn’t find you physically attractive then she won’t be attracted to a man regardless of his money and status… Ahh, okay. Got it. Those two claims totally don’t contradict the fuck out of each other bruh. Not at all. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:47 PM
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Again, just to clarify: Men don't need women to be top to be attracted to them. So the concept of "settling for less" boils down to: I still have the hots for her even if she's not the best I've dated. But the ironic part is, most Redpillers lose their shit whenever a woman admits that he’s not the best she’s ever dated. Redpillers would call that guy “cucked by Chad”, and they’d call the woman “alpha-widowed” etc. But when a guy says it… crickets. See the contradiction? Women's concept of "sett…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:41 PM
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It's not complex, lol. And quote where red pillers claimed that ALL women work the same way. Again, if you just want to act like a smart ass, go ahead. Or you can think why red pill claims what it claims. So AWALT isn’t a redpill concept now? Do you happen to understand what the “A” in AWALT stands for, buddy? Men are attracted to those less attractive women. Men don't have ridiculous genetic based standards and women have access to many easily accessable beauty tools. Just don't be too fat, lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:34 PM
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It reads like word-salad even those it’s broken into to neat sections that are about 2-3 sentences long? Okay bro, sure. 👍 The contradictions I gave examples of in the post : Redpillers claim that women are hypergamous due to the 80/20 study(etc), but men are not. Despite men always wanting to be with the most attractive woman possible even if he himself isn’t as attractive. The Redpiller will then try to gaslight you into believing that they meant women are hypergamous in terms of being attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:30 PM
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Just feels like a gotcha post or something like this. There are women who only attracted to top % in physical attractiveness. There are women who attracted to rich men. There are women who used to go for looks but later switched to money. Where is the contradiction? Oh so now attraction is complex and different women are attracted to different things huh? Lol, not very Redpill of you bro. And the contradiction lies in the fact that Redpillers claim that all women work the same way (AWALT) and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:18 PM
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It’s similar yeah, but I’m asking if Redpillers are aware of the contradictions more broadly I guess. Not just in regard to hypergamy alone. That’s just an example I used. I also pointed out the contradiction around men settling for someone less attractive to them (which is seen as kind or virtuous by redpillers), meanwhile women that do the exact same thing are framed as evil or manipulative…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:06 PM
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Picky = / = hypergamous tho. You can be “picky” even when dealing with people in your so-called “league” or whatever. So women being more picky (which is true) doesn’t automatically mean that they “hypergamous”. Keep in mind, I’m not even necessarily saying that it’s impossible that they could be. But “eggs are picky bro” isn’t evidence of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:17 PM
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True. But it’s Redpillers/blackpillers that will claim that “women are so hypergamous that they’d rather share a Chad than have a beta all to themselves”. This is a popular narrative within pill-spaces. And yet here we have OP basically displaying the exact same tendency. Which is likely creating an uncomfortable cognitive dissonance within him. That’s why OP is confused and wanting to get other people’s opinion on the matter. He’s realizing the irony of his own “hypergamous” preferences most li…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 05:44 AM
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Also that doesn’t explain the concept of “BetaBux” then… If a man can be a top male (according to Redpill) without top tier looks, what separates an “Alpha fux” from a “BetaBux” then? It seems like you yourself just don’t understand what Redpillers are actually claiming when it comes to concepts like AF/BB honestly. Answer the above, bro. It’s the Redpillers claiming that women are hypergamous based on the “80/20” study or height statistics dude… Not me. If anything you’re just insulting Redpill…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:59 AM
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Men apply the term “Hypergamous” to women even just based on their hook up or casual sex preferences tho… Do you even understand Redpill dude? Also that doesn’t explain the concept of “BetaBux” then… If a man can be a top male (according to Redpill) without top tier looks, what separates an “Alpha fux” from a “BetaBux” then? It seems like you yourself just don’t understand what Redpillers are actually claiming when it comes to concepts like AF/BB honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:53 AM
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That’s not the version of the term that red or black pillers use tho (and you most likely already know that based on your flare…) You guys are just disingenuous honestly. One minute you’re claiming hypergamy only applies to “social, educational, economic status” then the next minute you guys will turn around and claim that women only find the top 20% of men physically attractive due their innate hypergamy… You guys will claim that women only want the tallest men due to hypergamy… So which is it …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:46 AM
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Stop lying to yourself bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:39 AM
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Only a select few extremely attractive women can actually “sleep their way to the top” realistically dude… And OF takes both top-tier looks as well a lot of fame/clout or friends in high places in order to make any real money from it. (Especially this late in the game when those women have to also compete with way more women than the “early adopters” had to). Most of the shit that dudes like you claim are “easy mode” or not even things that the vast majority of women even have as an option reali…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:36 AM
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You’re most likely just experiencing cognitive dissonance from the harsh realization that you (and many other men) are just as “hypergamous” as what pill-dudes accuse women of being… Deep down you want to be with the most physically beautiful woman possible, even if you have to “share” her (i.e. seeing a prostitute that likely has many other clients). You most likely feel weird about this because you realize the extreme hypocrisy of not just you but manosphere dudes in general. But facing it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:30 AM
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Name one dating scenario where women face more danger than men. Out of all the possible dating scenarios who is generally in more danger? Rape? Being drugged while on dates? Being kidnapped/sex-trafficked? Domestic abuse? You understand that women are more likely to be victims of all of these things than men are, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 10:24 AM
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Your broader point is that… Men face more chances of danger outside of their romantic partners? That’s kind of irrelevant if the conversation is about which gender has to avoid bad dating options more. Men having to face greater danger has little to do with the partners we pick. While if a woman picks poorly it could lead to direct danger or abuse. Hence women have to avoid the “swamp water” (tho the swamp water probably consists of other shit that women don’t like as well. Men that are verbally…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 10:12 AM
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Who cares about any of that tbh. People are gonna feel how they want to feel about their dating life and “options” regardless of whether you personally like it or not. So if she feels like she’s in a swamp, that’s all that matters to her. She doesn’t have to give a shit about other people’s opinions of her “options” because she’s the one that has to date them. Same thing with us guys. If you deem a certain woman unattractive/unworthy, do care if some random somewhere thinks she’s a catch?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:56 AM
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But the danger that men face doesn’t come from our romantic partners themselves typically. For women it can and often does tho. So women realize that they have to be careful in order to avoid accidentally drinking “swamp water” and possibly dying from it. Understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 09:50 AM
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Yeah, if you just mean a lot of the guys that spend too much time in “pill” spaces then I mostly agree. But even then it’s obviously not every guy there, it’s just a certain subset that try to pretend that average men are just the helpless downtrodden “victims” of an oppressive system. But It’s mostly all just a cosplay deep down that stems mostly from sexual frustration and built-up resentment tho. It’s just “women no fuck me, so women bad, man good!🤬” with more words basically. But that’s a ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:44 AM
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It’s not “Men” as a whole that have this problem…It’s just a few very specific groups of unsuccessful men (the ones that fall deeply into the whole Redpill/Blackpill/MRA “manosphere” shit and make it their entire personality) that tend to have this constant kind of “men are the real victims!” mindset. But I doubt that that even they truly believe it deep down. It’s just a way for them to vent about women without having to deal with the massive cognitive dissonance that would come from acknowledg…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:22 AM
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I’m not bluepilled but just for the sake of their argument… https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18248 You actually do have to take a lot of studies with a grain of salt bruh. Over half of them are likely just bullshit that stemmed from heavily flawed “experiments” that might not hold up in the future. At one point scientists would have told you the Earth was flat as well. Later research made those scientists look dumb even tho they thought they had it all figured out. Also it actually is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:15 PM
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It definitely could be, but also a lot of ugly dudes do perpetuate that stereotype themselves by becoming bitter/hateful and letting their social skills, personality, and confidence rot. So it’s kind of a self fulfilling prophecy in a way. Many incels do and say things that ironically only reinforces the idea that ugly = evil. (Even if that’s not always the case obviously.) They overly lean into hate and bigotry, praise mass shooters, call for the enslavement of a whole gender, etc. People like …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:50 AM
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I think that’s kinda stretching the definition of the word rigged tho tbh. Is a random lottery really “unfair” or “rigged” if it’s completely random? You could have just as easily been born a future billionaire... Or an ant… The same goes for anyone else. Is randomness the same as a competition being purposely rigged? Not really to me. I think you’re confusing the idea of misfortune with the idea of something being rigged. If everyone has a roll of the dice, and some people roll a 7 while others…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:20 PM
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No. “May the best man win” isn’t the actual definition of rigging. Rigging would be an outside person secretly meddling in the competition in a way that actually makes it impossible for the best man to win. They are polar opposites. The first one is just pure luck/meritocracy, the second one is someone purposely trying to sabotage one side so that there is no meritocracy or true competition. It’s not the same thing. But obviously it does suck that different people start off with different levels…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 12:05 PM
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Even “natural” women compete in areas like fashion, hair, makeup etc tho… There was a post that went viral a little while ago because the men were claiming that Margot Robbie was “mid” at best… Both genders put an extreme amount of pressure on each other in terms of what it takes to be considered highly attractive dude. You may claim you like women “as god created them” or what not. But clearly not all men agree. Which is why plastic surgery has become so normalized in the first place. It clearl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:01 PM
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They do compete bruh… What do you think all the Botox, boob jobs and BBLs are for? They’re just competing over a somewhat smaller pool of top-tier men because they are pickier than us men by nature. They looking for quality over quantity (while us men are more often interested in quantity regardless of quality if we’re being honest right).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:38 PM
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In the context of this particular debate tho it is the same. Both are actively trying to excuse their bad decision-making in one way or another. I agree that women who have a ton of good options but then actively pick the bad ones are literally stupid. But that’s not really relevant to what you and Lilith were debating. Which was whether or not men should take accountability for their own bad decisions just like us men want those dumb women that make bad decisions to do so as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:32 PM
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Saying “no” is always an option bruh. So if you choose a shitty woman over simply continuing to be single, then the choice was on you the whole time. Stop blaming others for your own choice to ignore red flags all because you’re “desperate” or whatever. Being “desperate” isn’t some uncontrollable medical disorder dude… It’s something you either willing choose to lean into or not. So take the same level of accountability that guys here are always expecting from women and admit that being “despera…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:23 PM
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Calling it “Rigged” is just lying to yourself tbh. It’s like calling all sports rigged simply because some people are naturally better athletes than others. I never understood where the idea that there was supposed to be equal success for every person in dating comes from honestly. In no other area of life is that expected or even realistic. Dating is no different than anything in life in the sense that, some people will do great, some will do alright, and some will have hardly any success at al…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:14 PM
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I literally said earlier in the comment chain that when most people say “work on your personality”, they aren’t necessarily always saying you’re a bad person morally (although it’s true that you won’t get away with being a morally bad person unless you have really good looks or lots of money to distract people. Which incels obviously don’t. So coming off morally-shitty will only make things worse for them because now you also come off as a creepy loser or weirdo too on top of being ugly already.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:45 AM
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Men with the most desirable personality profiles were rated more favorably than their counterparts only when they were at least moderately attractive. That’s basically what I said dude. That personality matters when the minimum looks threshold was passed. I already said that there’s probably a “point of no return” in looks where a person is so physical unsightly that nothing else will matter. But there are also many guys that will meet the minimum threshold for looks and beyond that point person…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:27 PM
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… I thought the narrative was that women can’t lock down “Chad’s” anyways. So they’ll have to date guys in their league… Which is it? You guys switch narratives to whatever is most convenient at the time… And the vast majority of people in the world are closer to “meh” than they are to “model”. And yet billions of people still end up in relationships… But lemme guess, those “don’t count” because “muh reasons” right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:20 PM
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Only in extreme cases (such as an extreme lack of looks). There definitely could be a looks threshold where if you fall below that, dating will be a struggle no matter what. That’s plausible. But what isn’t really plausible is the idea that the vast majority of men fall below that threshold. That’s where most “inkwells” begin to lose people. There are many men that can pass the looks threshold (even if just barely), but those morons will still talk themselves out of getting laid. This is a very …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:57 PM
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That’s correct. But a shit personality when you’re already lacking in looks, money, status, height, etc certainly won’t help. And it’s also worth noting that when people say “work on your personality”, they’re not even always talking about morals to begin with in many cases. Sometimes they literally just mean “be less of an insecure, bitter man-baby that’s no fun to talk to or be around because you’re perpetually stuck in Redpill rage mode… Perhaps that might help”. But for some reason, this ten…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:45 PM
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in reality LeBron is well past the point where height would help in a fight and has crossed into negative returns territory. I said a prime LeBron James… You’re not even reading or comprehending at this point. Which is why this conversation is pointless dude. Just let it go already.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:59 AM
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First off, I was talking about genetic fighting ability. Attractiveness is correlated with genetic fighting ability. UFC fighters don’t necessarily represent the most genetically gifted men on Earth actually… You’re making the mistake of assuming that the pool of fighters they pick from includes literally everyone on Earth. But that’s not reality bruh. A prime LeBron James would probably dominate the current world champion in terms of genetic fighting ability dude… He just didn’t choose that car…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:54 AM
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I’m not saying that there was a looks based conscription. I’m saying that male attractiveness has strong overlap with male fighting ability. Therefore attractive guys unintentionally end up being more likely to be picked as soldiers… And even just a small percentage of those men dying without having children will have an impact on the male gene pool. Regardless of whether you believe that impact to be small or big. There’s a possibility that over the centuries and (maybe even millennia) that thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 07:17 AM
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No. It wouldn’t take tens of thousands of years… Even a few decades/centuries of intense selection pressure (on women but not men) could theoretically lead to notable changes in the human genome if the pressure is intense enough… And the majority of traits that make a man attractive are held on the Y-chromosome. (Aka the chromosome that’s passed directly from father to son.) The attractiveness level of the woman would be irrelevant there. If men with less attractive/impressive Y-chromosomes are …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:11 AM
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Could be any number of reasons honestly… Perhaps patriarchy caused a sexual imbalance (in terms of physical attractiveness between the genders) because women didn’t have the ability to choose their partners fully. Therefore the male side of the species wasn’t subjected to the same level of sexual selection pressures that women were. (Leading to women as a whole becoming better looking than men as a whole. While the average male genotype declined due to a lack of selection pressures.) It could al…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:56 AM
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Understood, but then we don’t really disagree haha. I never said that you should fight for a relationship that’s truly dead. Just that you’ll feel naturally compelled to protect it in certain scenarios. (Assuming that whatever thing she did wasn’t that bad of course.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:53 AM
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Makes sense. But it’s seems like even you acknowledge that it’ll be “painful in the moment” and that’s really all I was saying. How could it not be if you actually valued that relationship right? I was never saying don’t leave or to tolerate disrespectful bullshit. I just know that nobody truly “doesn’t care” about losing a relationship if they were actually deeply in love with that person completely. And it seems like even you agree that it’ll be painful to a degree. So I think overall we agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:17 AM
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You might “help her pack” and maybe you’ll even try to convince yourself that you don’t feel any type of way about the situation. But if you truly loved them to the point where you truly planned on spending the rest of your life with them, you will feel something if you lose them. In the same way most people are going to feel something if their mother died suddenly. You’ll feel something about losing that connection if you actually valued her presence in your life. (And in the rare case where yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:13 AM
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I’m not really saying you should try to keep them around if they don’t want to be. I’m saying that most people will never react to the possibility of losing someone that they truly love with a “meh, whatever…” reaction. No matter how much they wanna pretend to be “nonchalant” about it, if you truly loved that person and what they brought to your life (especially if the relationship lasted for a significant amount of time), you aren’t going to be nonchalant to the thought of losing that person. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:03 AM
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I get that if they’re extremely disrespectful about it. But if it’s a more complicated situation where you aren’t really “sure” whether or not you’re imagining things… It’s not that simple imo. And then I think it’s also a matter of how much history and investment you have with that person I guess. It’s way easier to take your approach when it’s a college fling or a person you’ve only known for 3 months. But the mother of your children that’s been the love of your life for 10+ years? Most people…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:43 AM
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Sure but at the same time I’m just speaking in generalities. I don’t think most people (man or woman) can ever reach a point of never feeling a bit territorial or wanting to mate guard. That’s just not how most of us love. I mean, it’s not even how most people love things in general (even outside of romance). Most people get emotional over their favorite music artist retiring and leaving the spotlight for example. Because they love the artist’s music and do not want that artist to “go away” in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 02:20 AM
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You’ve never truly been in love with someone if you weren’t interested in keeping them around as long as possible in my opinion. But with that being said, I can agree that at some point if they wanna leave they will. So there’s no point of going too crazy over it, right? I get that. But not feeling any stress at the thought of losing themat all? That just means that you don’t actually like them that much in reality. People get upset at the thought of even losing their favorite t-shirt at times… …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 01:55 AM
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While it’s definitely true that a debate being long-standing doesn’t automatically guarantee that there’s merit on both sides, I think more times than not you’ll find that this is the case. Nobody ever gets into drawn-out arguments over whether fire is hot or cold. How long do you think a debate over whether or not the sun is brighter than the moon would last? These types of debates literally cannot last very long because the obvious truth is too overwhelming. Meanwhile that isn’t the case with …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:49 AM
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I agree that women aren’t mind readers, but most men aren’t James Bond either. The mask will slip and the “real you” will show in many social situations. Whether you’re aware that it’s happening or not. A large part of communication is actually non-verbal. So you can say all the right things, but some people will still be able to spot the bullshit. That’s why it’s important to just let go of all of that bitterness anyways. Didn’t you, yourself say Redpillers are supposed to leave the anger phase…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:00 AM
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I think some people definitely don’t appreciate the luxuries that modern dating provides, yeah. We have a way bigger pool of potential partners than any previous generation just by virtue of social media and apps. Travel and long-distances are less of an obstacle than ever before. Social media profiles make it easier and quicker to “vet” potential suitors for compatibility. More relationship styles, less expectations on both sides in many cases… I could go on but I’m sure you get it. With that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:42 AM
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I see. I don’t think every Redpiller has the exactly the same interpretation of the Redpill tho. And that makes these debates here especially tricky. I’ve encountered many Redpillers that will scoff at the idea that personality has any meaningful impact on your attractiveness to women at all. And I guess that over time that has become the “default” Redpill stance in my mind. But if you don’t feel that way than the post doesn’t really apply to you as much as it might to others. As far as the “blu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:28 AM
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I think you’re kinda contradicting yourself my friend… You’re saying that Redpill got its name because it’s centered around exposing “the truth”… Yes, but do you understand what that “truth” was that they wanted to expose? The so-called truth that they wanted to expose was that LMS was more important than personality. That’s WHY their natural ideological opponents/rivals became the people that believed that LMS was less important than personality… Aka “Bluepillers”. Do you now see how it all lin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:08 AM
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No. I wasn’t saying that it will “stir up some huge shift”… I was saying that even if he could pull it off, women already know the way to counter that. They’ll just double down on making the “relationship guy” wait in order to make sure that he isn’t doing what OP’s suggesting. Which is ironic because when you think about it, that’s probably a big part of the reason that women started making the relationship guy wait in the first place. Because of people like OP that will lie and say they want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:00 AM
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It is true tho… The Internet of PPD’s discourse (as well as “Pill” discussion in general) over the years can be summed up in to one singular discussion. How much, if at all, does personality matter when it comes to being successful with women. Does it matter more than LMS, less than LMS, the same amount etc… That’s the one singular debate that underscores literally all of the disagreement between Redpill and Bluepill. But that aside I do agree with your last paragraph. I never understood why a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 01:53 AM
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I can definitely see that with some of them. But I think the majority would say that either looks or money matter mattered more. At least that’s what I’ve seen from past interactions with them. But there definitely are some that are what you’re describing for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 01:46 AM
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The “fuckbois” can do it because those women are eager to jump into bed quickly with them… Aka those women are okay with hooking up with them casually/quickly… OP is speaking from the perspective of someone that obviously can not get casual sex easily or quickly(or else he’d just shut up and do that instead). He’s likely not attractive enough to get a woman into bed without investing large amount of time and energy into making her think he wants a relationship anyways. Rendering his whole post i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 12:37 AM
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Yeah. That’s pretty much it lol… 😂 The type of guy that has to even think about this type of shit is the type women will delay jumping into bed with as long as possible anyways ironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:46 PM
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Nah.. It only hurts weirdos like OP. What OP is trying to do will only become more and more difficult as women hold off longer and longer on having sex in order to better “test” whether or not he’s actually interested in a relationship. At some point, the amount of time needed to get into bed with her isn’t worth all the effort if you’re only looking for a hookup with her. So OP’s plan is just kind of dumb because women have already developed a counter-strategy for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:43 PM
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Ahh, thanks. It’s been a while since I posted here on a regular basis so I forgot. And yeah, when guys here start talking in vague meaningless “I’m merely concerned for society :( ” platitudes… That’s when you know it’s usually just a convenient lie to cover up their true feelings. Which are usually closer to “I’m assuming that I would’ve been more successful in (insert era) so I desperately want things to go back to that out of my own self interests.” It’s pretty easy to spot once you’ve come a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 10:07 AM
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It’s a delusion to think that just because women have to ask “what are we” or whatever now, that they’d prefer the old way of doing shit over what they have now. That’s kind of delusional in my opinion. Women aren’t bothered by modern dating dynamics nearly as much as unattractive men are. That much is pretty obvious if you’re looking at things without being biased. Obviously nothing is perfect tho. So of course there’s always gonna be a few things to complain about even now. But the idea that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:36 AM
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Only delusional blackpillers believe that social skills don’t matter at all… Yeah it’s not gonna trump things like looks in some cases, but the reality of life is that every traits matters to some degree or another. Looks, money, status, charisma, etc… Everything plays a part in people’s perception of how attractive you are. I don’t know why this so hard for people to accept tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 01:35 AM
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It’s only really simping if you’re doing those type of things while not dating the woman tho. (Or if the things she’s demanding from you are so humiliating and undignified to you that you’re basically seen as pathetic for actually doing those things.)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:15 AM
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According to your one weak study, yes. But the public perception of incels is that they are extremely high in sexism… And yet this hasn’t made women swoon over incels despite them literally having a well-known reputation for being sexists… Therefore, being sexist does not actually have anything to do with how attractive you are to women in general. This whole thread is a cope (and damn near borders on misinformation almost.)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:02 AM
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Where exactly are you seeing women thirst after incels? Because even incels themselves (the intelligent ones anyways) will tell that they have the opposite problem… And since you seem to like studies so much… Care to give your thoughts on the studies that show that benevolent sexist men are viewed as more attractive than men with hostile sexism? Doesn’t that basically destroy your dumb theory that the hostile sexism of incels is more attractive to women? Previous research has shown that women ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 10:35 AM
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Compared to hostile sexist men, yeah they actually are… Do you even know what benevolent sexism is? It’s basically just beliefs in chivalry or the idea that women should be protected or catered to in many situations. It’s things like “women are physically weaker than men therefore I as a man should be the protector in the relationship”. It’s actually closer to what most misogynists would claim is simping than it is to anything else ironically. A lot of these attitudes are hardly even “sexist” in…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 10:23 AM
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There might be some that do that, but there are also just as many guys that just accuse a guy of simping all because he either happens to agree with a woman or because he doesn’t blindly hate all women. Both of those groups are lame to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:10 AM
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That’s fair I guess. But that just further confirms to me that the study isn’t that strong to begin with. (I think you can agree that it takes more than four measly questions to properly categorize someone’s views on complex topics like dating, women,etc.) The entire study is basically built on pinky promises smh… It’s far from the slam dunk that OP is making it out to be. And to flip your own argument against you, how do you know that the hostile men that were claiming more opportunities were a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:06 AM
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Nah, a simp is a guy that goes above and beyond to pander to a specific woman in the desperate hopes that she will sleep with him for doing so. It’s basically just another name for the whole “fake nice guy” shit. Where you’re only doing or saying things not because you actually want to, but because you’re hoping women will perceive you as more attractive for it. It’s not about how often you agree with women or any of that bullshit. Even hardcore redpill/blackpillers can be simps because they do …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:44 AM
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Yeah… I’m calling bullshit. The study literally says that those rated with higher mate value (aka those more attractive/desirable) displayed more benevolent sexism. So the guys rated more attractive were the guys believing in things like “chivalry” and doing things that most of you bitter weirdos would consider “simping”. The “hostile” sexist guys merely self-reported having more “possibilities” for supposed sexual encounters… So they weren’t even actually proven to be getting laid more… They ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 01:20 AM
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I get that, but regardless of which gender you were thinking of, it applies equally to both so that’s just the natural “next step” in the thought process that people will move to based on what you’re saying anyways. So if you’re gonna call out women for trying to advise men on something they can’t understand, you have to call out the men here who basically do the same to women. Because otherwise the post could come off as biased or hypocritical even if that wasn’t what your intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:56 AM
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Women often want their boyfriends to simp for them so it’s more about whether she finds the man attractive or not. If she does, she’ll romanticize the so-called “simp” behaviors. If she doesn’t find him attractive, then she’ll be annoyed with it and all that. There’s no one universal set of behaviors that will always make you attractive or unattractive to a woman. It’s all about how she feels about him that dictate how she views the behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:48 AM
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All comes down to whether they find each other attractive or not. If they do, it’s a match made in heaven I guess. If not, it’ll look identical to any other awkward male-female interaction most likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:44 AM
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Well, it felt relevant since your post kind of made it seem like it was something exclusive to one gender or the other. But it seems like we both agree so it’s not a big deal I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:39 AM
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This is true but it applies to both genders ironically. So all this talk of women “not choosing right” or “not dating/chasing the men they’re supposed to” and similar shit has to be thrown out too. If women can’t “advise” due to not understanding dating from the male perspective then the same holds true for men trying to tell women how to date despite not having any experience with the female perspective. As long as you acknowledge that then I agree with you. (Tho we both know that this post won…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:30 AM
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“I’m not much of a ladies man, therefore I should go hurt or kill people because of it 🤪” is not a natural or logical conclusion to jump to. No matter how many mental gymnastics you try to use in order to just make it seem like that’s somehow ever justified. You’re not some downtrodden protagonist displaying righteous indignation dude. You guys are just weirdos that are ugly both inside and out. That’s why incels don’t react to normal shit in normal ways. It’s always “grrr I hate everyone! I wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 12:30 AM
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Society isn’t a okay with these thing happening, ever. Or else there’d be no punishment for doing them. And no, society does not see incels as worse than men in jail lmaaaaoooo… 😂. Just because a few weirdos in jail can get the rare perverted prison guard to top them off doesn’t mean that society as a whole views them better. The prison guard herself was just a scumbag as well. And you’re edgelording a little too hard buddy. If you truly wanted to be dead that badly… Well let’s just say we would…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 10:30 PM
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Well, it’s just been the case from what most of us have seen in life. I won’t say there can’t be exceptions, but do you realistically think most incels (many of whom claim themselves to be antisocial rejects that struggle to even make friends, let alone dating) are somehow also these incredible social-butterflies that top-tier personalities so charismatic that they are above criticism or improvement? Does that seem realistic to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 10:10 PM
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Maybe. But how do you guys know for a fact that you never had a chance to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 10:05 PM
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Sure, but if they weren’t actually zero, and you merely thought they were? Wouldn’t having a shit personality basically be ruining the slim chance that you did have? Why do you guys self-sabotage and complain about being perceived as unlikable both physically and mentally?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 10:02 PM
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No, I said that a good personality can make you more attractive than a shitty one. Especially if you don’t have the looks/money/status to make people ignore your shitty personality. (Which incels obviously don’t have those things. I never said anything about it overriding looks or whatever. Just that it can provide a boost for people regardless of what other traits they have. (And yes, I’m aware that the less physically attractive a person is the harder it is to overcome that with behavior alone…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:58 PM
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I mean, it's totally neutral. Hateful attractive people get laid all the time. Yeah, because they’re attractive enough to still pull despite their shit personality. But ugly people don’t get that luxury… So an ugly person is only making their chances worse because they’re making themselves even more hard to like then their looks have already made them… They’re nerfing themselves even more by developing shit personalities to go along with being ugly. Not a good plan… This also assumes that people…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:53 PM
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I think that it was a much more common assumption in previous eras tbh. These days no one will argue that personality (especially in terms of morality) is the only factor in being attractive. (That goes for either gender by the way…) Idk, maybe a random person here and there will make that claim these days, but it’s mostly become a Redpill “strawman” argument more than anything in my opinion. When most people bring up personality these days, what they actually mean is… “the shit you’re saying ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:24 PM
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This isn’t realistic. Society will not just let you say or do anything and everything all because you’re pissed off at your lot in life. There will always be some type of consequences to antisocial rhetoric/behavior. Something that many incels/manosphere types seem to struggle to understand. And you’re kind of contradicting yourself anyways. You’re trying to tell society how it should/can/shouldn’t react to an incel’s antisocial nonsense. But in your little fantasy world where incels could “reac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:08 PM
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I think the amount of times that “moral values” are blamed is over exaggerated tbh. At most, people merely try to tell incels that becoming a hateful creep definitely won’t do them any favors if they’re struggling already. (Especially if they’re truly as hideous as they claim. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that being both ugly and weird/bitter will only make an incel’s chances even worse.) So when people tell incels to work on their personality, they’re not saying that persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:00 PM
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The statement makes zero sense in reality… You could argue that “taking care of people” is giving them the freedom to be with whoever they want sexually. So you could argue that the government is already taking care of people by giving them freedom and agency to dictate their own sex life. So the government stepping and trying to force people to be with each other when they don’t want to doesn’t even count as “taking care of people” ironically. In fact, it’s the opposite. That would basically be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:50 PM
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Your pet’s love for you is conditional as well tho. No matter how “bearable” you think you are. You think any of your pets would continue to love you if you stopped feeding it and instead smacked it every time you saw it? Of course not. All love is conditional and that’s perfectly fine and normal like I said before.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 08:20 PM
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Even the love for your pets is conditional actually… Most people would not love their pet very long if it constantly tried to scratch or bite their face off for example. Or if their pet seriously injured or killed someone that they love… All love is conditional and that’s okay. That’s healthy even. It’s not logical or intelligent to try loving to someone/something no matter what effect it has on you. I never understood where people got the unrealistic idea of unconditional love in the first plac…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 08:05 PM
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Men aren’t “treated lesser” as a class tho. There’s nothing actually systematically wrong or unjust about women not sleeping with men they don’t want to… So that comparison makes no sense honestly. You guys keep trying to equate a lack of dick-wetness to actual oppression and then wondering why no is taking you seriously. Those two things are not the same tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:15 AM
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I think OP’s question is more along the lines of “what do you expect to gain from women ‘feeling bad for you’?” As in, do you genuinely think that will magically change women’s tastes and make them want to sleep with guys that they don’t find attractive? Because that’s delusional as fuck tbh lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:15 AM
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The ironic part is that, that stilll wouldn’t work in reality. Just like neither you or me would randomly decide to sleep with a gay incel or an extremely hideous and gross woman even if they claimed to be extremely lonely. Even if I genuinely felt bad for them, that’s just not how sexuality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:12 AM
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I wasn’t aware that there was a “black loneliness epidemic” or that black people were shooting up schools in mass because they can’t get laid… Your comparison between the two groups is extremely stupid tbh. If a black person “complains” (aka points out real bigotry/systemic inequality) it’s usually about shit much more serious than “woe is me, I have a dick but can’t fuck anyone with it 🤧”…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:06 AM
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What’s crazy is that what you’re describing wasn’t always the stereotype associated with leftist. Hell, Bill Clinton is viewed by many as the most “Chad” President ever and he was a Democrat. Even the modern Chads/playboys live lifestyles that are way closer to liberal than to conservative if you actually think about it. Being left-leaning used to be associated with being the cool, bad boy rockstar that rejected overly-puritanical bullshit. It’s only in the last 10 or so years that leftist dudes…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:02 AM
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I mostly agree but at the same time, terminally online incels over-exaggerate how “masculine” the average right-winger is tbh. Many incels themselves are right wing despite being short, fat, and having many “low-T” traits themselves. So in reality, it’s not right-wing or left wing beliefs that get you laid, but instead just looks, money, status etc… Regardless of your political beliefs. The whole “right wing guys are all super slayers” larp is really mostly just a cope in reality. The stereotypi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 02:49 AM
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A lot of it is pretty cringe bruh lol. But certain types of post are way more cringe than others… I just find those particular post to be some of the most cringe ones compared to a lot of the other shit that gets posted here. Those posters are obsessed with a non-issue in reality. No one even cares that much about age-gap among normal non-famous people honestly. (Hell, my own parents have like a 9-10 year gap. No one’s ever said shit.) Those posts always have this weird delusional undertone of l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:31 PM
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It’s pretty obvious that the people that constantly whine about the supposed “stigma” against age-gap relationships simply don’t want to be judged for wanting to be in one. But what makes all these age-gap posts cringe in my opinion is when they spend all their time whining about it when if they really had the option to do in the first place, they’d just go do it. For example, Leonardo DiCaprio isn’t out here begging for permission… Because it’s not illegal to date someone younger if they’re sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:55 PM
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It’s not about models specifically… The point is that having confidence doesn’t mean you need to carry yourself in an obnoxious way that’s clearly just you trying to poorly imitate someone who’s much more attractive than you. It just means carry yourself with dignity, don’t come off insecure, overly anxious, neurotic, etc… The issue is that many people confuse being confident with being a caricature of some mythical “Chad” and when they try to do their ridiculous imitation of it they just end up…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:46 AM
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I think most people mean one of two things when they say this : 1) Have a “self-aware” version of confidence. You don’t have to pretend that you’re as hot as a professional model or actor in order to “be confident”. You can be confident without coming off as delusional about yourself. (And if you don’t know how to do that then that’s a skill issue you need to work on tbh.) 2) You need to stop being so melodramatic and weird about your situation because it’s probably only making you even less att…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:35 AM
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Maybe. But it’s also just human nature to prefer people that offer you more than others… I don’t know why some people even feel the need to “hypothesize” on subjects like this tbh. It’s common sense that if a woman has the choice between a guy that’s both attractive and willing to pay for shit vs. a guy that doesn’t offer as much to her, she’ll choose the first option. Not because of some convoluted conspiracy or status games… It’s just that the first guy is clearly the better choice obviously. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:40 AM
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This is actually a pretty based observation because it’s the exact same shit that bitter guys here accuse women of. Putting looks over “moral” behavior. A lot of the shit that incel type dudes complain about is actually just human nature. And not some “defect” in women specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:33 PM
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There’s a difference between a morally good personality and a charismatic one. But even with that being said… Trump was born filthy rich, he was never going to be an incel no matter how good or bad his personality was. You guys waste time comparing the dating lives of people born into extraordinary circumstances and think that these people are reflective of normal situations. They’re not. And it’s not like “Mustache man” is some GigaChad that women constantly drool over. He’s more popular with l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:55 AM
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Your problem is that you’re using fringe spaces like that as if they represent all (or even most) women. They don’t. That’s like a woman basing their views of all men based on what’s being said on 4chan dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:33 PM
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Rich people tend to marry other rich people. You’re delusional if you think that men don’t care about anything other than looks. You could even argue that caring whether she’s a sex worker or whatever counts as caring about social class as well. Also there are plenty of men that will be with a rich woman if she spoils him. So you just don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:00 PM
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You’re acting like those aren’t huge factors that determine how people view you tho. They are in reality. And it’s not like us guys have any room to talk when we’re basically attracted to the same traits in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:15 PM
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How does men being protectors mean that you think men are disposable? It just makes more sense logically for the bigger, stronger person to use that strength to protect the smaller, weaker person bruh… That’s just being logical, not misandrist or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:00 PM
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Nah, I agree with them honestly. It comes off like you’re just triggered by women preferring muscular men. (Even if you claim that isn’t the case.) No one’s forcing you personally to play the protector role if you don’t want to. But you seem simply made that more muscular men are seen as more formidable at all… That’s just a waste of time. It’s like a woman being mad that hour-glass figures are seen as more feminine than a obese, “bigback” type of build in women. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:53 PM
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Bruh… Would you change your standards of what you look for in hookups/relationships all because some unattractive woman that you had zero interest in told you to? I don’t know why you guys bother with this type of shit tbh lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:19 AM
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… …You’re overthinking it bro. You’re confusing different women’s individual preferences as if every women in the world told you this stuff. But that bs. Stop looking for a “one size fit all” strategy when it comes to women. Different women like different things just like we do. Some women wanna be approached by strangers, some don’t. That’s not hypocrisy, that’s you lumping all women together as if they all are attracted to the same shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:55 PM
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It’s true that the more attractive a person is, the more options they have. So they’ll be harder to keep. But ultimately both genders seems to think they can be the exception. It is what it is haha. And yeah love bombing implies deception. But it’s not really deceptive unless she believed it right? Therefore when women get mad about love bombing, they’re more so mad that the “love bomb behavior” has now stopped. They liked the behavior, they just found out that it wasn’t genuine only after the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 08:05 PM
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That’s definitely possible. But it wouldn’t explain why women get upset when the love-bombing stops. I’m not denying that women sometimes can get turned off when the guy gets too overly “lovey-dovey” to the point of being cringe or coming off ridiculously clingy. But it seems like many guys overestimate how much women want the “non-chalant” behavior from dudes. There’s no shortage of guys that just want to hit it and quit it… So if that’s how all women wanted men to act, why aren’t they basicall…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:07 PM
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I don’t blame people for finding it confusing tbh. Human behavior is complex as shit haha. But the way I understand it is that… She wants the right guy to be nice to her. Not just any guy… This is what “nice guys” get wrong. They think that any random man can come up to her and “be nice” and that’ll get her done… But it has to be the guy that she actually wants. If she’s attracted to him, she wants him to be nice/romantic and all of that shit. But “nice guys” think that “niceness” alone can make…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:39 PM
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Imagine saying this dumb shit while two white European countries are literally at war with each other right now…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:10 PM
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You guys are obsessed with this whiny ass “bad boys get to do it😢😩” narrative smh. But isn’t the entire point of “love bombing” basically just the player pretending to be a “nice guy” ironically? Why are women even “falling for it” if they’re so in love with bad boy behavior according to you?… I bet you can’t explain that lol… You’re merely confused tbh. What you’re actually observing is that two different people can display similar behaviors but it will come off differently if their motivations…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:09 PM
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Yeah, this is basically it. It’s just about winning and being attractive in the grand scheme. None of this “muh dark triad” dumb shit actually matters in reality. Women aren’t gonna be suddenly turned on by some ugly asshole who’s still at the bottom of the totem pole even despite being an evil piece of shit… And likewise women aren’t gonna be turned off by a man that’s successful, handsome, etc all because he’s a good person. Believing this “only evil guys get laid😩” bullshit is just a cope and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:47 AM
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I think what they they’re trying to explain to you is… From a purely legal perspective, either the incident meets the legal definition of sexual assault or it doesn’t. In that sense, it’s not a spectrum. It really is an “either or” type of thing. Of course sexual assault can happen in many different ways. No one’s arguing that. But all of those ways have to meet the legal requirements of what constitutes as sexual assault. In that sense it actually is a binary thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:39 PM
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Actually, it is possible for a person to claim to feel sexually assaulted even if no actual assault occurred. The DoorDash girl herself is an example of that. She claimed to have felt sexually assaulted even tho she herself admitted that the guy in question was asleep the entire time and never once touched her. But regardless of that fact, she still claimed to have felt assaulted. Despite nothing happening that could ever be legally/objectively classified as sexual assault occurring (even by her…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:31 PM
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You’re probably going to get a lot abstract “nothing’s changed” answers and that’s fine… But, if you want a more objective/data-based answer : It’s simply because of a combination of falling T levels, higher rates of brokenness/poverty, and increasingly high levels of political extremism and misogyny. The falling T levels have made many modern men less physically attractive and healthy than previous generations. The rising income inequality means there are more and more broke men (and we all kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:00 PM
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A lot of that bullshit just ends up being wrong in the end tho and then those people have to spend years “unlearning” all of these ridiculous ideas that were never really meant to be accurate or realistic to begin with. That media was meant to be entertaining, not necessarily educational or realistic (outside of a few exceptions of course). And solely viewed as nothing more than entertainment. Anyone who looks to TV and pop culture as “life guides” are setting themselves up for failure right out…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 10:27 PM
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Women don’t give a shit if you’re a republican dude… It’s not some magic panty-soaking trait like you’re obviously trying to make it out to be. (Neither is being democratic btw). It’s just about whether you’re attractive or not. Claiming otherwise is just a right-wing (or extreme left-wing) fantasy from dudes that desperately want to believe that their extremist (and often ridiculous) political views somehow make them more attractive despite those views often just being seen as weird or irreleva…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:55 PM
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Hmm, I get that in a way. But It wouldn’t really work on me tho because the way I see it… If she’s actually attracted to me physically, she would still be trying to have sex sooner rather than later. Even if it’s just a casual, chill situation or what not. If she’s perfectly content not engaging with me romantically for weeks and weeks, she clearly doesn’t desire me that strongly. So I’m out at that point lmao. I think people in general should adopt a similar mindset in order to avoid get strung…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:37 AM
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That’s not really “Hot n Cold” for real tho. A true “Hot n Cold” situation would require the two people to at least be having some amount of sex or romantic intimacy. Only for the other person to then take it away randomly. That’s actually “Hot n Cold”. (Which is kind of incompatible with being friendzoned imo.) “Hot n Cold” can’t really apply to someone truly in the friendzone. Because in order to “trick” anyone that isn’t gullible or slightly delusional, they’d have to show real romantic inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:21 AM
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You can’t really manipulate someone while also friendzoning them as well in reality tho. Those two behaviors are contradicting. Either they’re showing real romantic interest in you or they’re not. Most of the people claiming “manipulation” in those situations were really just lying to themselves. A person can’t friendzone you and somehow make you feel like they want to be more than friends at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:57 AM
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It shouldn’t matter at all, yes. But people can be irrational and sometimes get upset about silly bullshit that they shouldn’t even be wasting energy on. If anyone ever gets upset at you about this particular goofy ass question tho, that might be a red flag ngl… 😂 You simply need to remind her that it’s literally not possible for her to become a worm or whatever. And remind her that she wouldn’t date or marry a fucking worm either smh. If she can’t admit that the question is ridiculous as hell, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:36 PM
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The worm question is just dumb, childish and pointless bruh. No human (of either gender) is marrying a worm for real. And you’d sound dumb and creepy even trying to pretend that you would… You’re over thinking a question that no one is actually serious about when they ask lul… It’s a glorified meme and nothing more folks… You shouldn’t be drawing any conclusions from it or even thinking about to this extent. It’s literally just internet meme culture goofiness. Some of you guys take internet meme…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:24 PM
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Who says beauty isn’t objective or inherent? That likely isn’t true actually. If beauty were completely subjective than everyone would average out to be treated as equally attractive by society (due to the variance in preference), but we all know that’s not the case. The fact that some people are so universally agreed upon as being attractive (to the point where they can be viewed as sex symbols without anyone really objecting) is proof that attractiveness is likely more objective than subjectiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 11:10 PM
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I think your sexuality likely is clouding your judgment here. But then you might say the same to me.. We have to both take our your personal preferences out of the equation. I’m just arguing that objectively women were viewed as the fairer sex long before makeup and hair salons were even a thing bro. Women literally evolved to have softer, clearer skin on average for example. Women’s facial-cranial development tends to be much more stable and consistent than men’s… To the point that women don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 10:00 PM
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Women probably are biologically just more physically attractive than men tho… This is the obvious result of generations of women being chosen by men solely on the basis of looks. Us men have not been under that kind of intense sexual selection for physical beauty. And so men on average do not possess said beauty. It’s really as simple as that honestly. And I disagree that guys aren’t exposed to female sexuality even at young ages. Guys just tend to be oblivious and so many boys growing simply wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 09:37 PM
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…huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:53 PM
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Fair enough. But I feel like the obvious examples like Tebow give off enough clues to “put the pieces together” already in my opinion. That’s a major part of how I learned what women like growing up. So I never really related to the guys that talked about being “shocked” by what women found attractive. It was always obvious to me. Never met a single woman that didn’t swoon over either very good looks, high status, certain personality types, or men that were extremely wealthy honestly lol. I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:18 PM
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You’re actually proving her point tho. “Levels” are a highly subjective (basically made up in your head) concept that doesn’t mean anything in the real world. There’s no concrete, objective way to measure someone’s “level” in reality. So just because you deem a certain woman to be “on your level” doesn’t mean others will agree with you or see it that way. (Including the woman in question herself.) Once you understand this, you’ll come to the same conclusion that everyone else does. That the only…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:09 PM
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I feel like it is obvious tho. If you’re actually paying enough attention to the world around and you actually pay close attention to which types of men do well with women. It’s always been the guys that were top-tier in either looks, money, status, or personality. And I say all that as a guy. A lot of Redpillers simply seem to have ignored obvious social dynamics up until they reached a point where they no longer could for some odd reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:00 PM
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You’re overthinking this stuff tbh. Fictional comic book characters have no issue being sexualized. Because they have no feelings at all, they aren’t real. So you aren’t doing anything morally wrong by sexualizing them. (Unless it’s a child or something weird like that obviously.) And with real people, it’s not an issue if the person is presenting themselves in a way where it’s clear that they want to be viewed sexually. Sexualizing people is only weird when it’s clear that they don’t want to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:07 AM
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Yep. This is the problem with having a “eye for an eye” mentality in terms of each gender hating on each other. Both sides just end up looking like hypocrites if they exhibit the exact same behaviors that they complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:25 AM
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I somewhat disagree honestly. It’s not that you’re completely off on the jealousy part, but there are definitely other subconscious reasons men don’t typically like promiscuity in women. A lot of it is likely evolutionary instinct. Because before paternity testing, the only way to ensure that the child you’re raising is actually yours would have been to avoid overly-slutty women. So the men that had a slight repulsion to slutty women likely had an evolutionary advantage over the men who didn’t (…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:49 AM
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Redpill does magically claim to have them in the sense that it tries to convince its readers/viewers that sexual attraction can be boiled down to a few very simple concepts/tricks… In reality, sexual attraction is a highly complex, extremely dynamic, highly reactive combination of both biological, social, and even environmental factors that can’t simply be boiled down into silly slogans and catchphrases. The Redpill relies almost exclusively on massive assumptions/generalizations, weak pseudo-sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:23 AM
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If they were truly so off-base, they would be dismissed and ignored. No one would seek them in the first place… They are “dismissed and ignored” by a large portion of people in both genders tho so what does that tell you? Also the claim that “No one would seek them in the first place” is bullshit here because almost no one normal intentionally seeks out the Redpill specifically. They just seek answers in general. And the Redpill claims to magically have them (even tho it’s mostly piles of bullsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 12:30 AM
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What’s ironic is that you’re probably the type that would get extremely butthurt and rage about “hypergamy” if a woman says that 90% of men have nothing to offer outside of paying their bills. And yet here you are sounding very “hypergamous” yourself dude lul.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:25 PM
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Stop coping dummy. Building robots isn’t some exclusively male job. Nor do the majority of guys complaining here even work in fields like that to begin with. It’s always the guys that don’t even do shit related to global infrastructure that cling to the dorky “we built society 🤓” bullshit. If you actually knew anything about those type of industries you’d know that pretty much none of them are exclusively male. Get the fuck over it buddy. And did you miss the part where I explained to you that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 04:47 AM
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A few people (men and women…) but it won’t matter in the long run. As soon as the robot-building-robots are up and running, humans will be phased out of the production over time. So the whole “we build stuff, we dig the ditches” shit eventually won’t be true anymore. So unsuccessful guys shouldn’t rely on that as some type of cope or bargaining chip. Because… it won’t be true forever. Understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 04:12 AM
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Other robots… In a looping and self-sustaining cycle of production and deployment. It’s the future of the economy whether we as people like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 01:21 AM
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And all of that shit will be done by robots in the future tho. That’s the flaw in that ridiculous conspiracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 12:55 AM
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Isn’t this kind of the case with everything? If you’re trying to be a successful touring musician but you’re afraid of being in front of large crowds… You’re either going to have to push yourself to change or overcome that aspect of your personality, or you’ll likely just fail at accomplishing that goal. It’s the same with anything in life. The reality is that attractiveness (even just in terms of personality and charisma) is not only unevenly distributed, but also unevenly desired… Not all pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 05:47 PM
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I’m actually not considering most men can’t even approach a woman now without the fear of being shamed or ridiculed or worse face severe legal consequences. This isn’t real. Men approach women all the time. You just have to pick the right times to do so. Too many of you guys use the “I’ll stop her and bother her while she’s clearly busy/disinterested” method. That clearly doesn’t work and makes you come off weird and desperate. Too many of you guys don’t know how to ask without being too creepy …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 10:33 AM
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Have you guys ever considered that maybe you struggle to get women not only because of your looks, but because you’re just weird, selfish, unlikable people as a whole? Normal, socially well-adjusted people don’t fall into these kind of extremist, bigoted, dumbass, loser thought-processes just because they aren’t getting what they want in life. The fact that guys like you even consider weird ideas like this indicates that you’re probably not a very pleasant person to be around in general in my op…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 10:19 AM
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Part of having “equality” in dating is every adult having the right to date whatever other consenting adult they want bruh. We have equality in dating right now bruh… “Equality of opportunity” = / = “equality of outcomes”… Most people that talk about equality are talking about the first one (equality of opportunity). Which is much more reasonable and something that can actually be achieved by society realistically. You however are begging for the latter (equality of outcomes) which isn’t doable …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 10:06 AM
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It’s not that your life is a waste if you fail to create a legacy. But some people would consider it a waste if you didn’t even try to. That’s more along the lines of what I meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 06:35 AM
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I get where you’re going with that question. But at the same time… What’s the harm in him wanting to leave a legacy? What’s the alternative? Waste your entire life not even trying to accomplish anything meaningful?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 05:01 AM
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I’m sure there are a few guys that are into it, but they are most likely a small minority of men overall is all I’m saying. This is reflected in society at large in very obvious ways. Look at male-directed media for example. How often is the guy going to be the “damsel in distress” or the one doing the submitting in the relationship? Look at Redpill itself. There’s an entire movement of men that want women to return to being in the submissive role. But there’s no popular movement in the manosphe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 11:28 PM
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Im saying that the women in those communities have a hard time finding submissive men…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 11:06 PM
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I don’t think that’s the issue honestly. Isn’t it well known that even in heterosexual BDSM communities, “dominant” women have a much harder time finding submissive men than dominant men have finding submissive women? Even in a community where men wouldn’t be judged for having that kink, it still just seems to be very rare in men (rare in comparison to the amount of men that get off on being the dominant partner anyways).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:50 PM
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🤦‍♂️… I don’t think you understood what I mean bruh. I’m saying that the odds of a man that isn’t gay enjoying being put into sexually submissive positions is extremely low. At no point did I say anything about having sex with a woman was gay or whatever you’re on about lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:34 PM
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Do you mean why don’t most men have fantasies of being forced by someone? Because in that case, the answer is obvious bruh… Most men (that aren’t gay anyways…) are not turned on by being put in a submissive position during sex. While many women are. Women can sometimes get turned on by the concept of being “dominated” in bed. But most men don’t have this kink. If you mean “why don’t men have more fantasies of doing the ‘reaping’…” It’s probably a mixture two things : A. Most men are typically ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:13 PM
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Yeah… I reread it and… It’s still vague bullshit that borders on fanfic tbh lmao. I was hoping that you had arguments that were a little more substantive, but I guess not. You’re literally falling for unrealistic “all boys ruled, all girls drooled”-level cope about what the past was actually like for men and women. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:49 PM
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“I didn’t say that women didn’t have freedom, just that women didn’t have freedom when it comes to selective pressures”… lol Okay pal… 😂. What exactly were these selection pressures that you’re claiming they didn’t have freedom from?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:41 PM
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If women didn’t have freedom in nature, how did they even evolve to have ingrained sexual preferences in the first place by that logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:34 PM
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You must not have been here very long if you think nobody is advocating for that. Most just know better than to say it verbatim. But most still end up letting the slip at some point. Just as you are right now… You’re literally advocating for women to become “less selective” and sleep with you simply due to your little fake “grievances” (aka complaints) about society. Which is exactly what I predicted before. You literally just proved my point dude… You think women are “overly-selective” because …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:19 PM
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The welfare system is usually more akin to vouchers as opposed to literal money actually. And not every broke person qualifies for that to begin with. I’m talking about random people just giving you money because you’re constantly complaining about not being rich. That’s not a thing. How can society rearrange itself to accommodate unattractive men in a way that doesn’t then just create problems for the women that don’t want to be with these men? And then those problems have to be solved by givin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 09:00 PM
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Nobody’s obliged to provide you water or food either, but they’re still needs. Whether or not people are obligated to provide it for you has no relevance to whether something is a need. Which is why the people trying to argue that sex is a need are wasting their time. Not only will the majority of people never agree with you on it, but you still wouldn’t be anymore entitled to it regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:27 PM
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If you think the only needs are food, water, and sleep, and nothing else is a need then you are also moral consistent. I do think things along those lines are the only true needs. Everything else is wants that people try to dress up as a need in order to feel more entitled to these things. But wants are important too. I don’t understand why some people think that deeming something as a want is the same as saying that it isn’t important to people or valuable to have. No one’s saying that. I’m def…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:24 PM
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No, I just was talking about random people giving you money because you’re sad about being broke. I wasn’t referring to government cheese dude and you already know that deep down. You just have just world fallacy and erroneously believe that all lonely people deserve it Except I never said anything about “deserving” something… Do you believe that all broke people deserve to be broke? Do you believe that all rich people deserve to be rich? Do you think that “deserving things” is even a relevant c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:13 PM
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It’s not a need. It’s a luxury. You are entitled to other people not killing you and that’s it, however nature itself is not a moral consideration. You’re contradicting yourself. If I had the cure to a disease that was going to kill you, and I purposely withheld it from you for greedy, monetary reasons, I’m effectively killing you via purposeful negligence… It’s nice to have so that we can extend our lives, but it’s not a necessity to living a “natural” human life. But “extend my life beyond its…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:06 PM
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… What does that have to do with anything?… That’s completely irrelevant. This random person isn’t arguing that we should throw out every single institution that isn’t a need. They’re just against the DoE specifically. (which I don’t agree with btw. But you’re simply wrong in what you’re implying here.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:59 PM
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No, what I’m asking is… How do you know that the amount of people experiencing loneliness today is a significant number that would actually cause harm to society as a whole?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:53 PM
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You’re being pedantic, you know what I meant. And if you wanna be technically, those people still have to “earn it” by qualifying for government assistance in certain ways. It’s not just given out to any person claiming to be poor bro. And those people are still broke, and are only given enough to “not die” by the government btw. So that’s not what I was even talking about. I was talking about guys that expect society to magically make them rich all because they feel sad about being poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:51 PM
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Not dying from cancer is needed in order to not die, dude. Which is the most literal definition of a “need” for most people’s standard. (Something that you’ll directly die without.) So it does fit the bill of a need to some extent. Unlike sex… Therefore the comparison is dumb because if “healthcare isn’t equivalent to sexual intimacy” as you’ve just admitted, then OP trying to draw some imaginary equivalence between the two is foolish like I said, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:43 PM
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Cool… Except there’s a few tiny issues. The first being that no one in the real world will ever agree with your terminally online view that “nothing is a need”, you’re just going to get outvoted on that one pal. Second, no one ever said anything about needing to throw out anything that isn’t a need… I don’t know if anyone told you this before but, it’s okay to pursue something merely because you want it, not because you need it. Therefore… We can still have things like healthcare, technology, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:39 PM
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“Access to technology” may very well cause someone to die depending on the technology… The other two (educated and leisure), are entirely wants. So OP actually owned themselves and destroyed their own point by throwing those two in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:32 PM
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You’re not obligated and many people already don’t bruh. That’s not some kind of a gotcha. When people give money to the homeless it’s because they want to, not because they’re obligated to. So if you want someone to give you sex, you have to make them want to give you sex for one reason or another. Just like with money. It’s not rocket science buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:30 PM
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What is a “significant number of people” to you? How do you know that the number of people it’s affecting isn’t a totally fine number in reality? How do you know that this isn’t actually good for society in the long run as people will eventually learn not to entirely base they’re self-esteem on something that was never entitled or guaranteed to them in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:27 PM
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Okay… Then all you’re really arguing is that nothing is a need. Therefore sex is still not a need and you are just going to have to continue seething about it regardless lol. Good job buddy. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:23 PM
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Who said anything about immortality? A need is something that I literally need in order to stay alive and keep functioning. If I had cancer, I’d need a cancer treatment in order to stay alive and keep functioning wouldn’t I?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:16 PM
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The way “needs” are defined by most people is : Absolutely mandatory to continue existing or functioning properly. In that sense, having at least some level of healthcare could be argued as a need. But this post is still stupid regardless because even if you wanted to argue that healthcare is a want… Okay, and? That’s not some magical gotcha that would make people reconsider their stance on sex not being a need. But at least with healthcare you could make a somewhat semi-decent argument for it b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:13 PM
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Nothing. OP is just butthurt over a previous post and doesn’t know how to deal with it in a non-stupid way lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:56 PM
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Nice try dude. But you’ve missed pretty badly at your little attempt at satire. And are really just coming off butthurt. You even trip over yourself while trying to create the gotcha. For example : You’re trying to say that healthcare is equivalent to you getting you pp wet. But then you mention something like cancer, something you’ll literally die from. which is why healthcare isn’t equivalent to a random incel getting his dick wet. Thus you’ve just demonstrated how healthcare is much closer to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:53 PM
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“Loneliness” is the context of this subreddit is really just a personal problem that some people want to pretend is some type of huge societal injustice or conspiracy against them… It’s just as ridiculous as trying to argue that random people should just randomly give you money because you get really sad from being broke😞. No, no one’s just going to randomly give you tons and tons of money. You have to earn it. Same with sex, intimacy, friendship, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:46 PM
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We have impulses to seek out things that we want as well. Having an impulse for something doesn’t make it a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:41 PM
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Variety in food is a want not a need. I grew up with poor parents in the rural south. Variety of food wasn’t plentiful. Even despite this, I still grew up to be tall, muscular and healthy. Because I didn’t need’variety in order to survive, develop or thrive. You’re proving my point with these wild hypotheticals lol. If sex wasn’t a need there wouldn’t be so much kerfuffle over it would there? There’s always a lot of Kerfuffle over the latest Pokémon cards and related video games. Are those sudde…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:39 PM
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Seeking out ways to get our wants met is also a wired part of our structure. Something being a biological imperative doesn’t make it a need. We also have biological imperatives that drives us to fulfill our wants and desires as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:24 PM
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We’re also fighting every day to get our wants met as well… So that doesn’t magically make sex a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:04 PM
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We’re talking about the individual level here tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:57 PM
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🤦‍♂️… You are slow confirmed. I’m not saying “don’t listen to his opinion because it’s based on nothing and unsupported” I’m saying “Don’t pretend that his opinion is some infallible fact because it’s not”… And also I did give support for my opinion. I listed several websites that go in depth on how to differentiate a want from a need. I throughly explained my reasoning. I even provided logical evidence (plenty of people are fine without sex, and some even derive joy from willing abstaining from…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:56 PM
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Sex (reproduction) is the driving force behind all life on this planet and 1 of only 2 things we share with all life (the other being the need to get resources.) And? That doesn’t make sex a need on an individual level tho. In fact, you could even argue that excluding certain individuals from sex is how a species evolves and stays fit for it’s environment. Therefore some level of sexual exclusion is necessary. Which… Is probably why sexual selection is a thing to begin with. If every individual …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:43 PM
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How is it hypocritical? Im saying not saying that “no proof = opinion wrong”, Im saying that people that try to pretend that Maslow’s opinion is scientific fact despite Maslow providing no proof are foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:37 PM
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You don’t even know whether these changes will even hold for long or still be relevant 10 years from now so that’s a ridiculous angle honestly. And plenty of women voted for Trump as well. So none of this is as simple as “men mad so Trump win”. That’s just a revenge fantasy in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:33 PM
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Sex is not even a psychological need because not only are plenty of people psychologically fine and healthy while abstaining from it, but even most of the incels screeching about it are not ceasing to function cognitively… Don’t many even claim to be perfectly well-adjusted people when others suggest that it may be personality issues that are the cause of their problems? Which contradicts the idea that sex is even truly crucial from a psychological standpoint doesn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:29 PM
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Im not “going at” him tho. I’m saying that his opinion isn’t anymore valid than anyone else’s. His opinion isn’t some infallible evidence of sex being a need. It’s just his opinion. And both scientists and psychologists have a been wrong about things in the past. So what does that tell you here…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:26 PM
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No, because it’s not like Trump didn’t just lose the election before this one. Trump wasn’t elected because of incels. He lost an election when Redpill was at the height of its social relevance ironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:23 PM
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It’s not logical, if for no other reason than that it won’t amount to anything in the grand scheme.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:19 PM
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Meh, it’s not like he has mountains and mountains of scientific evidence or research to his name. He was a psychologist, in a time when psychology was a very young, underdeveloped, and soft science. You’re overplaying his credibility on the matter. But regardless of all of that, you’re still committing a common logical fallacy as well. Maslow being a “scientist” (he was a psychologist actually) doesn’t automatically make him right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:17 PM
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What a butthurt response 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:11 PM
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I think ironically the most interesting part of all this is that : If they’d just admit that sex is merely a want, people would still understand them being bummed out about it (to a reasonable extent of course.) People get sad about not getting things they want all the time. It’s totally relatable for a lot of people. But those unsuccessful men fuck up any potential relatability by falling back on these weird and ridiculous claims such as sex being a need for example… People would probably feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:09 PM
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NEEDS ARE ESSENTIAL FOR CONTINUED EXISTENCE, MEANWHILE WANTS ONLY INCREASE COMFORT AND LIFE SATISFACTION Yes. You may not want to live in a pine box, but you don’t need to live in a big, gorgeous apartment or house. Gorgeous apartments and big houses are wants not needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:02 PM
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Do you believe using language non-literally, is using it “incorrectly”? Yeah tbh. But there may be exceptions where it doesn’t really matter. It clearly does matter when it comes to the topic of sex and people are trying to use the word “need” as a way to guilt-trip others or argue that people’s right to choose their sexual partners is somehow a bad thing. Everyone knows sex isn’t necessary for survival. The same way getting emotional needs met isn’t necessary for survival. The phrase “Emotional…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:59 PM
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Sometimes maybe. But it’s not logical at all to attempt that when no argument or debate is going to magically make people want to have sex with you if they don’t already find you sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:49 PM
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Yes, but that’s just people using the term “need” incorrectly. It doesn’t suddenly make the thing that they’re describing an actual “need” in reality tho. It’s like if someone were to walk up to you and tell you “you need a haircut!”. You don’t actually need a haircut, that person just wants you to get one. But they used the word “need” in an incorrect, non-literal way. That probably happens with the topic of sex as well, but it’s important for those people to realize that sex isn’t literally a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:46 PM
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Are you slow? I’m not saying that it’s wrong to give your opinion on the matter, genius… All I’m saying is that Maslow’s opinion isn’t some scientific law or fact the way some naive people seem to assume it is. Not that him having an opinion is somehow a bad thing in and of itself. Reading comprehension is key…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:26 PM
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No one will die directly from a lack of sex dude… Be serious bruh lmao. 😂… That’s why it’s not comparable to food or water at all. You die directly from a lack of those things. And you do so in an extremely short amount of time. None of those things are true for sex. It’s not a need at all. And if you acknowledge that even things that are legitimate needs aren’t guaranteed or entitled to you, what the fuck is the point of even pretending that sex is need anyways? It wouldn’t change shit bruh. Wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 10:16 AM
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Lol, I don’t think you’re really understanding what I mean. I’m tired of arguing over it tho. So we’ll just end it here I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:20 PM
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Listen, the amount that a person loves you isn’t determined by how special you are objectively bro. That’s just not reality. Have you ever had a girlfriend or friends? Did you need your girlfriend to be famous like Kim Kardashian or rich like Taylor Swift in order to love her? Did she need to be on the cover of “Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition” in order for you to be attracted to her? Of course not. In the grand scheme, you most likely view her as an Average Jane because that’s what she was.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:00 PM
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But if that greater adoration stems from the gifted kid’s talent, it’s actually just a greater admiration for his talents in reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:44 PM
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No it doesn’t. Do your parents love Michael Jackson more than they love you simply because they have a greater adoration for his talents than they do your talents?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:38 PM
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You can view someone as an “average Jane” objectively, while still loving them because they are your partner tho… Just as you can view yourself as an Average Joe while loving yourself and who you are dude. Do you, personally need to delusionally view yourself as some type of rockstar or celebrity in order to love yourself? Because that seems kind of like it stems from insecurity with your own “average-ness” more than anything else. Are you insecure about the fact that you’re an average Joe compa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:36 PM
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A parent will react differently to their extremely gifted son vs. their more average son. That doesn’t mean they don’t love both sons or view them both as special to them. Emotionally, They’re both special to the parent (aka subjectively), because they are your sons. But objectively, only one of them is special. That doesn’t mean that you’d only love your exceptional son and not the other one tho right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:32 PM
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So then you mean that your partner views you as subjective special then, as I said. Lilith was talking about needing to objectively special (as in “the best” like you just mentioned) in order for random women to treat you different than they treat an average Joe. You can’t expect when to dawn of you like they do an elite man if you aren’t elite in any way yourself. It doesn’t matter if you “want to feel” special. Either you are of you aren’t objectively. And if you want women to react to you the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:24 PM
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You think that viewing someone as objectively special is a requirement for loving someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 05:13 PM
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2&3. Child support is a necessary evil because many men are naturally inclined to just dip out instead of investing anything into the kids they’ve created. This is one of those things where the second you take it away you’re going to quickly learn why it became a thing in the first place. So suppress history because it makes you uncomfy/hurts your feelings? Be realistic bro. 6&7. These two are so vague that they don’t really mean anything tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 04:36 PM
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If you’re subtly trying to challenge the post that Lilith made earlier, you’re misunderstanding what she was actually saying. You’re talking about a different kind of “special” than she was. You can love your pet dog and view them as “special to you”(aka subjectively special), while also knowing that your dog isn’t truly unique or special in the objective sense. You’re confusing these two different types of “special” (subjectively special vs. objectively special). I’m pretty sure what Lilith mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 04:30 PM
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The same applies to us men as well tho… So it’s not a women thing, it’s a people thing in general. Some people would say that social media apps are statistically not a good use of your time, but yet here you are regardless… Neither you or I based everything we do off of “the statistics 🤓” so why do you magically expect women to base every preferences they have on “the statistics🤓”? lol…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:07 PM
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Then why specifically make this post about women when this is just something people in general do?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:02 PM
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The commenter above clearly pointed out that men do the same shit dude. So the entire premise of your post (that somehow only women have “bad preferences” that increase the chances of divorce) is just bullshit lol. Just be honest, you were attempting to push a “women bad” narrative, and it backfired. You were trying to subtly implying that women’s preferences are somehow “bad” or that women don’t know what’s best for them. But then the user above pointed out that men do the same. They also point…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:54 PM
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I think the point they were making was that men also have some preferences that increase the chances of divorce. It isn’t a “women thing”, it’s just a “human thing” bro. Your post is the equivalent of someone saying “isn’t it kind of crazy that people like to eat candy and fast food even tho statistically these things decrease the chances of living to 100?” No shit bruh. 😂… People are still gonna like what they like, regardless of what’s statistically best for them. It’s been said thousands of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:40 PM
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What a stupid claim. Do you have any proof that over 50% of the population has been in an abusive relationship and is drawn to toxic behavior? Narrator : OP did not in fact, have proof to back up his stupid claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 01:27 AM
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Ehh, I don’t RP is special in that regard tho. Lot of people making money posting Lego videos and TikTok cringe compilations as well lol. (And even more people that aren’t making any real money doing those things. Same goes for RP content.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:25 AM
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Well, to be fair tho, FnF are the only ones that made any real waves honestly (and “Whatever” I guess. but from what I understand, that channel was already big before as a prank channel. And then they just pivoted to being Diet-FnF after the fact.) All the other copycats are largely irrelevant and really no more popular than other types of podcasts out there. I wouldn’t say it’s all that lucrative of a market in 2025. Maybe 2017, sure. But it seems to be a genre that’s past it’s prime at this po…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:11 AM
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I feel like that’s what Redpillers tell themselves. But in reality, the vast majority of Redpill posts here aren’t things like “Look how many women I’m fucking with this one simply trick”. It’s more like… “Here’s another 18 paragraph word-vomit on how women’s preferences for men that aren’t me is going to lead to societal collapse 🤓” And it’s the exact same thing with the majority of RP content itself from what I gathered. It’s really just… “here’s another 4 hour podcast on why women are dumb an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:56 PM
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Hypocrisy is a failure of consistent logic and thought, not morals. The Redpill being “amoral” means fuck all here, it doesn’t give them an excuse to be hypocrites. There’s no excuse for it. The reason they are often hypocritical is not because “lol RP be amoral bro”. It’s because it’s mostly just whiny, bitter “women bad because they no fuck guys like me” bullshit. With a few obvious nuggets of truth hidden under mountains of nonsense. That’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:22 PM
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As to the gender-equality paradox: it’s not much of a paradox at all. All western societies have very fixed ideas of what male or female roles are, so yes even when given the choice, people are still going to line up for the role they have been socialised to play. If this were true, wouldn’t we see zero gay or trans people? Almost nobody is raised or pressured to be gay/trans. In fact it’s actually the opposite by a country mile. So if socialization was really that strong… Also if it’s due to fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 12:47 PM
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But I think the issue is that there’s really no real evidence that ideas such as “encouragement” would make a difference. Take the legendary basketball player Spud Webb for example. He wasn’t encouraged by his community to play basketball at all. In fact quite the opposite. He was even told by his teachers and coaches that he was just too small. Even the nba team that drafted him openly expressed pessimism about his career because of his height. Despite this lack of encouragement, he still flour…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 12:14 PM
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It may not be the most “pc” comparison, but the point is that I genuinely believe that if enough women had the equivalent talent/desire needed to dominate something like chess, then that’s exactly what you’d see. Sexism be damned. That was more so the point I’m making. Bigotry isn’t enough to stop the cream from rising to the top in most cases. So it’s more likely just biological differences between men and women that explain men’s dominance there. Which is fine to admit. It doesn’t mean that me…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 11:39 AM
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Black people were unwanted in sports at one point in time in the U.S. But that didn’t stop them from flourishing when they did get the opportunity. So I doubt bigotry can actually prevent elite talent from rising to the top. It’s most likely not sexism that’s preventing the women from keeping up competitively, just simply evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 11:09 AM
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You’re probably right. But that sounds kind of pathetic honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 07:01 AM
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Yeah, this is one of those times that unattractive men have actually played themselves in confusion lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:23 AM
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It’s more so that (many) women have a sexual kink for bad boys. But it’s usually purely sexual (aka short term mating strategy). It’s well documented that women tend to prefer for more stable, dependable guys for long term romantic relationships. So it’s not “all women want bad boys” or “all women want good men”. It depends on whether or not you’re talking about casual sex or serious relationships. Just like how many of us men like the slutty women for fun, but want the “good girl” for serious r…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:19 AM
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You were naive to begin with if you thought axing Roe v Wade was gonna somehow magically make women start dating men they aren’t attracted to tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:03 AM
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Imagine trying to argue that women didn’t want to be sexually liberated when they literally campaigned tooth and nail for that exact freedom. And women have the most freedom now that they’ve ever had, and yet they’re still choosing to have sex outside of wedlock at high rates… If that doesn’t show what women actually want, you’re just in denial about it at this point buddy. So I’m not gonna argue about it all night. And it’s not that all virgins are asexual. Just that long-lasting virgins are ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:51 AM
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How do you know they were actually virgins until marriage? As opposed to merely claiming to be out of fear of the social stigma around having sex back then? It’s stupid to take an era where men tried everything to control women and assume that era must represent what women actually want… Hate to burst your bubble champ, but if that era represented what women actually wanted, then women wouldn’t have rebelled against it and started the sexual revolution. Learn history before trying to appeal to i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:23 AM
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The woman that isn’t a public whore won’t magically turn into a whore for you tho bruh. That’s what makes it unrealistic in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:07 AM
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Dude… If she’s not interested in sex before marriage, she’s most likely not that interested in sex to begin with. Sex isn’t much of a priority for her because if it was, she wouldn’t be successful waiting until marriage. She’d give in to her strong desire for sex sooner or later. Be realistic bro. The odds of her “not finding a man she’s comfortable enough to have sex with” in 2024 is laughably unrealistic dude. Most people have their first sexual experience around 13-16 bruh… Its not hard to fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:03 AM
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No, they have it right. It’s hypocrisy plain and simple. You can’t advocate that women are depriving men of a “need” by being picky with their sexual preferences, but then also turn around and suggest that a woman is defective or disgusting if she isn’t picky with who she sleeps with. That fits the definition of hypocrisy 100% bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:54 PM
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I agree that “men and women are different”, but at the same time… Couldn’t that same logic also be applied to every single “complaint” that Redpillers have with the dating market? Men and women are different right? So why do Redpillers expect men to have as much sexual/relationship options as women do? That type of argument really is just another example of the hypocrisy OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:48 PM
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Because realistically, if a women actually likes and desires sex, she won’t miss out or ignore every opportunity she gets to have it. Just like how if a person really likes and desires cheeseburgers, they’re not gonna willingly go years or decades without eating one. Even if some people tried to shame them for “eating cheeseburgers” before marriage. Only someone who doesn’t really care about “cheeseburgers” that much would be willing to go without cheeseburgers for years and years. The same appl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:43 PM
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Im not sure they know the answer to that question themselves honestly. 😄
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:35 PM
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Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 02:15 PM
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Tbh I don’t think it was feminism that did that. If you look women in the magazines/media that was targeted towards men even in those eras, It was not too different from now. Women with nice asses and big titties. That’s what us guys have always been into. It was the fashion industry (which is mostly influenced by women and gay dudes) that pushed the “heroin chic” and all of that anorexia bullshit. That shit started to fade away when women simply realized that men actually like curves on women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 12:40 PM
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What’s blatantly false exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 12:09 PM
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I feel like that’s a bad strawman because there are plenty of people that roll their eyes and ignore the “obesity is just as beautiful as being fit” delusional as well. Most people don’t actually listen to them or take those people seriously. And the fact that you’re trying to make some parallel between you and them is ironic because you probably don’t realize that you come off the exact same way that those delusional “we should redefine beauty to include unhealthy obesity 🤪” types do when you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 12:04 PM
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The problem with the concept of “unreasonable standards” (which is already some subjective shit in the first place) is that you could argue that those standards are truly what the person is actually attracted to. And anything else is them being forced to pretend or be with someone they aren’t actually attracted to. I think we’re just at a point now where both genders would rather remain single and hold out hope for their dream person instead of just pretending to suddenly not care about certain …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:55 AM
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Yeah and what makes the whole “society should do something” thing even dumber is that the same guys are usually the ones going on about not wanting to “betabux” a woman that isn’t actually attracted to them… Do they not see the goddamn contradiction there? If you want to only be with a woman that actually wants to be with you, you can’t advocate for anything that would disempower women or push them to be with men that they aren’t actually attracted to. Especially when they’ll likely only give yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:46 AM
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I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that they’re posting this because people still continue to make constant posts about how society needs to “fix” dating in some over-the-top/unrealistic way. As long as those posts continue to exist, so will these kind as well. Because what OP is saying here is the just the cold, hard truth of the matter. And there are definitely people that still struggle to accept what OP is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 11:35 AM
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The problem with your argument is that supposed behavior of the “certain demographic” you’re referring is usually highly exaggerated or just sometimes flat out wrong/made up bullshit… Like that whole “50% of the crime” shit. That isn’t even true and morons just blindly eat up dumb bs like that without even fact-checking because they were already prejudiced towards that group to begin with. That’s not really the case with women tho. Women most likely really more “wonderful” than men in certain wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:00 AM
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Stop lying to yourself, the problem is clearly her and her friend. If what you were saying was true, she would’ve just she didn’t want a boring guy period. She wouldn’t have associated being treated well itself with boredom… Read between the lines, those girls aren’t saying that the men who treated them well just happened to be boring, they’re literally saying that being treated well by a man in general is boring to them. Those women are clearly either fucked up or just stupid. But either way, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 08:01 AM
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Because maybe women do care about personality a little bit?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 06:50 AM
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I get the premise of your post to some extent bro, but… If women lose protection from things like accidental pregnancies… Women will simply become even more selective about who they sleep with because the consequences will be higher. So any incel or struggling guy that thought they were “getting revenge” or whatever have actually decreased their chances of getting laid for default 😂. Meanwhile women will still feel comfortable taking the risk of sex with more attractive/high value men. So unattr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:17 AM
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Ehh.. I wanted to agree with you here but… Heterosexual attraction is kind of “hypocritical” by default I guess. Try telling a woman that she needs to be 6’0 herself if she wants to date someone 6’0 tall… You’ll be laughed out of the building. Try telling a guy that he needs long flowing hair down his back in order to want that in a woman… There’s definitely room for wanting some traits that you may not have yourself. I think the problem starts when one gender is going out of their way to shame …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 02:55 AM
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You raise some good points. And I mostly agree with what you’re saying. The only small flaw I’d point out is that it’s not usually the clearly unrealistic shows/movies that mislead people. It’s the ones that try to portray themselves as “realistic” (even when they really aren’t) that fool some people. So like, the adult romcoms and films like that. I’d say those movies/shows do more damage in terms of misleading guys about how women’s sexuality works. But even then, I always try to warn people t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:25 PM
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Hmm, I can kind of see both sides to some degree honestly. I can agree with you that not being very charismatic doesn’t mean that you’re a complete idiot socially. But at the same time, people that have extremely good social skills have no issues creating superficial charm when they need to. So if you can’t “superficially charm” someone at all, you really might be lacking in some area more than you think. Whether it be “maintaining a welcoming vibe” or “reading the room”, etc. There probably is …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:47 PM
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It’s just how the thread comes across in my opinion. Its a very common coping mechanism that people of both genders can fall into if they aren’t careful. I’ve come across people with the mindset before in the past, so I can spot it pretty easily. But obviously I’m no mind-reader, so if you say that’s not what’s happening here then, I won’t argue with you on it. But if I had to put money on it, I’d wager to say that I’ve got the right read on you here buddy. But that’s just my two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:35 PM
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The way you’ve argued your points in this thread (and the whole post in general honestly) kind of comes across as someone who’s jealous of those that are more “charming” in the traditional sense. But you simply can’t bring yourself to admit it. So you’re trying to downplay that type of charisma as being somehow inferior to… the type of “charm” that you conveniently view yourself as having. Textbook coping mechanism. It’s like the classic stereotype of the scrawny nerd yelling “muscles are for mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:25 PM
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I think his point was that these traits you’re desperately trying to convince yourself are “superficial” actually do require a lot of social skill in reality. That’s why not everyone is good at being charming or charismatic. And that’s why those traits are attractive to begin with. It’s a cope to say that being charming doesn’t require actual social skills. Even the things that you listed as “real” social skills are all required in order for someone to come off as “charming” ironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:59 PM
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The best sugar babies probably won’t give off an obvious “sugar baby” vibe tho. In the same way the best salesmen don’t come off as if they just want your money. She probably was a sugar baby bro. There’s no other reason that she lost all interest after finding out that you aren’t rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 11:33 PM
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You can be lacking in a few areas… But not in all areas. The guys that tend to struggle don’t struggle because of one particular thing (such as being only ugly or only short/broke, etc), they tend to struggle because they are mediocre (or worse) in most or even all areas. In other words, they struggle because they are ugly and broke and short and socially awkward, and low status, lacking in masculinity, etc… They’re lacking any redeeming quality that a woman could latch onto in the first place. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:44 AM
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Infidelity and child abuse are both serious issues, and if you were serious about them yourself, you wouldn’t be using them in this weird “team men vs. team women” kind of way. Both partners are capable of infidelity, and both are capable of child abuse. So both partners have a right to test each other on both in reality. But you’re making a false equivalency by trying to lump the two different concerns into one weird attempt at a “gotcha”. When they aren’t actually equivalent at all. The equiva…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:15 PM
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Well, the issue is that you’re taking a genuine concern that men have and treating it like it’s some transgression that you need to “get even” for. Which is all the more weird in this case because… Women do randomly test men’s faithfulness already. Women sneak and go through their boyfriend’s phone if possible, they even set up fake profile’s on social media (as different women) in order to see if their partner will engage in flirting/sexting, etc. Women test men’s faithfully just as much as men…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:55 PM
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I think the issue here is that It seems like you’re presenting this “ultimatum” more so out of spite than out of some genuine need for assurance tbh. It comes off kind of childish and kind of “tit for tat”, instead of being a realistic suggestion. Especially because… First off, you’re using a false equivalency. The equivalent of a woman cheating would be a man cheating. Not child abuse. And it’s kind of weird that you’re implying that only men are capable of abusing children when that clearly is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:42 PM
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No, because those guys are still doing (or being) the things that make men attractive to women. You don’t get to sit on your ass and not do (or be) the type of guy that’s attractive to women, while still pulling lots of women. You either a) become the type of guy that’s attractive to women, or b) you can choose to not be that guy if you want, but then you have to accept that you won’t do as well as the guys that did put in the work to be attractive to women. But you can really pick both options …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 07:29 PM
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Women do sometimes pursue the man if he’s highly attractive. So what that user was saying isn’t too hard to believe. It’s happened to me before as well. There are some guys that don’t really have to pursue women in order to be sexually active.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 05:40 PM
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No. But guys like that would have to be fucking morons to then turn around and be shocked that they struggle with women. Guys who aren’t naturally what women want (and also aren’t willing to become what they want) have to accept they’ll always struggle with women if they choose to deviate from what women find attractive. There’s no point in whining about in that case. It is what it is. “Can’t have your cake and eat too” as the saying goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 05:37 PM
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It’s not a problem. Unless you personally want to view it as one. The people pretending that it’s a problem (for others to wait) are usually just saying it out of frustration with their own dating prospects. But notice how those same people will contradict themselves and say “I don’t want to be with someone who’s merely settling for me. I want to be with someone that enthusiastically wants to be with me”… Not only are those same people uninterested in a partner that’s not attracted to them, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:34 PM
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True, but I think what’s changed is that people don’t fear not being in a longterm relationship as much as previous generations. So people aren’t as willing to settle for “ehh, I guess he/she will do”-style relationships anymore. These days, it’s either an enthusiastic “yes!” or it’s a “no…” for most people. This is probably for the best as this sub talks a lot of dead bedrooms and how loveless-relationship are a shitty situation to be in anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:12 PM
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Yeah, obviously that’s the tricky part. But as the saying goes “with relationships, you only have to get it right once”… So most people are perfectly willing to take their time and wait for more “appetizing” restaurants, you know? Most people aren’t in some kind of crazy rush to find the first restaurant that’ll seat them lol. Especially when there’s more ways to keep yourself emotionally satisfied today than there were in the past eras (Porn/Onlyfans, casual sex, social media apps, streaming se…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:06 PM
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Well… In 2024 some people are perfectly okay cooking a meal at home by themselves until the right “restaurant” comes along lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:54 PM
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I don’t think it’s that the person needs to be perfect. But it’s like asking a person to come to your restaurant even tho they don’t like your food at all. They’re just not going to do it. Especially when modern technology makes people feel like there could be someone more interesting right around the corner. I think a lot of those relationships in the past were built off of a quiet desperation from one gender or the other. But these days, I don’t know how many people are that desperate to be in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:49 PM
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Nah, because even if all of the most attractive people got locked down into monogamous relationships, the remaining people probably still wouldn’t want to be with each other. Because being on the lower end of either gender means that being in a relationship with you will be a headache in one way or another. Many people would still choose to be single over taking a shitty option. Even if all the good options were gone. I’m not sure that modern dating has a “problem” tbh. Things change and even so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:16 PM
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Yeah, typically it’s… “the hotter the person, the hotter the sex” for both genders. But… OP doesn’t even seem to be trying to dispute that. It seems like they’re asking whether or not there can be exceptions to that rule. Which is a valid question. My guess would be yes, because us guys are even more focused on looks than women are and even we can still enjoy sex with an average looking girl. I’m sure both genders can enjoy an average looking person who’s extremely good in bed. But obviously peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:09 PM
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There’s a reason that male sexuality has been viewed as more hostile and wicked through out all of time. Even before you or I was born, previous generations came to similar conclusions. That probably isn’t an accident or coincidence. Some whiny guys here will try to gaslight into believing other wise, but you’re mostly right. Male sexuality as a collective is very weird and ugly in reality. And while it obviously isn’t every single guy on Earth that makes it that way, the ones that do look just …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:44 PM
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So in other words, you’re basically admitting that you’re full of shit and not even posting this nonsense in good faith… It’s what I figured but at least you’re admitting it I guess. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:53 AM
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I get you bro. I’m just saying that this isn’t some universal rule that applies to everyone. It only applies to guys that aren’t naturally “like that” to begin with. Some guys already have the characteristics that make them appealing to women by default. So this isn’t some broad realization that everyone has to come to like OP was originally making it seem. It’s only the naturally unattractive people that come to this sort of realization that “I can’t be my natural self and be sexually appealing…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:30 PM
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This really only makes sense if your “authentic self” is naturally unappealing to other people sexually/romantically… In that scenario, maybe you’re on to something. But I don’t think this is something that applies to everyone or even most people tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:44 PM
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So for you, “alpha” = “abusive asshole”? Okay, but isn’t using violence to get your way also both “abusive” and “asshole-like” according to most people as well? In fact from a moral standpoint, physical violence is worse than verbal abuse… Also if you gang up and kill the “abusive asshole”, there will be people that see you as an abusive asshole as well. Should they gang up and kill you for resorting to violence to solve your problems as well? (Which some people see as abusive and an asshole-mov…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 07:22 PM
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Isn’t gang violence itself basically just a bully tactic tho? So how would those guys doing be any different or better than the so-called “alpha”? Besides being too weak or cowardly to face the “alpha” one-on-one?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 07:12 PM
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How would you explain the fact that in less civilized animal species, the alphas are even more dominant over the women and betas, not less… Those animal species don’t have police to regulate things and yet what you’re suggesting still doesn’t actually play out. The whole “betas will kill the alpha” thing is just a dumb cope tbh. Even if they ganged up, there’s no guarantee that the “Chad’s” and women wouldn’t still outnumber the incel group in any given situation. Also, even if they did “kill th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 07:04 PM
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How do you know she chose to stay because of that, rather than despite him doing that? How do you know that she liked him doing that? Men stay with women that cheat on them all the time… Does that me that we are secretly attracted to women that cheat? Or do people sometimes stay in relationships despite the bullshit their partner may have done in the past? That’s the problem with using random instances like that as proof of anything. You’re automatically assuming that the behavior in question wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:06 PM
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Narcissism = / = misogyny, machiavellianism = / = misogyny, hell even psychopathy = / = misogyny. So there’s no real contradiction there in reality. When women display attraction to DT, they’re thinking of hardened thugs that are confident, dominant, and physically attractive. Not whiny incels sitting in their smelly gaming chair watching FnF while screaming “women deserve less!😫” as tears flow down his ugly face… So… I don’t see your point. Wasn’t there just a study posted the other day that sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:57 PM
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People love posting this but when you actually look into it more deeply, you quickly find out that women studied are usually heavily biased towards the narcissism part over the other two… So in reality, “Dark Triad theory” isn’t actually “be evil bro”, is just a slightly spicier version of “just be confident” lol. Which is ironic because the same people that cling to things like “Dark Triad”, usually reject “just be confident” and write it off as bluepilled… Without even realizing the irony…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:46 PM
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Well, to me it seems like you’re equating “easy” with “literal perfection” and I don’t think that’s accurate. Just because no one “shoots 100%” doesn’t mean it isn’t very easy for some people compared to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:55 PM
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Seems like a very convenient “No true Scotsman Redpiller” kind of argument tbh. But I’ll take your word for now I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:55 PM
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What is the difference between a woman being “attracted” vs. “aroused” according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:50 PM
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If it’s merely mindset that makes one attractive/alpha, why do the Redpillers that complain about women all day, every day continue to struggle despite their super-duper magical alpha “mindset”?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:48 PM
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So then you’re admitting that the defining trait of beta isn’t “he’s a stable provider”, it’s actually “he’s too unattractive to get sex for free”, correct? You’re proving my point that alpha/beta has nothing to do with “mindset” or “personality” and instead has everything to do with your ability to attract women to you… Therefore the Redpillers that spend all day hating on women and complaining about women not wanting them are actually the “betas” even by your definition. Not the guys that don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:37 PM
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So you’re now admitting that alphas are indeed the “good-looking guys that women want to fuck”… aka the “Chads” as I said. Which contradicts you’re previous claim that alpha was mere a “mindset”. You’re also proving my point that struggling to attract women (for anything other than your wallet) is the defining trait of beta-males. Which contradicts your previous claim that beta-males and alpha-males are attractive to women to the same degree. Using your arguments, you’re only confirming that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:22 PM
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My issue with defining “attractive qualities” as Alpha and “provider quality” as beta is that, it implies that a handsome, tall, assertive “asshole” that happens to get rich would suddenly qualify as a “beta” according to that logic. Since he’s extremely high in provider qualities at that point. Therefore, whether or not a guy has “provider qualities” or not has nothing to do with his masculinity. Chris Brown is a better “provider” to his kids than “Beta Billy” ever will be… Yet most would consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:47 PM
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Your right there isn’t since most guys fit the beta-bluepill mindset but it’s not only misunderstood in the pill communities but also the social sciences If there are no negative outcomes associated with being “beta-bluepilled” according to you, why do Redpillers think they have some advantage or reason to look down on bluepillers? Why do they act as if Redpill knowledge is making them somehow better off than bluepillers? What’s even the point or benefit to being “Redpilled” if you’re now claimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:24 PM
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If women are attracted to “betas” to the same degree as “alphas”… How did being a “beta” become something that Redpillers fear or seek to avoid in the first place? Obviously there must be some sort of disadvantage or undesirable outcome to being labeled a so-called “beta” in Redpiller’s minds. Or else it wouldn’t have become the pejorative or insult that it has… How did it even get a bad reputation as something men should avoid if women are attracted to both Alphas and Betas? That would imply th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:51 PM
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You believe no men on Earth have an “easy time”? That kind of sounds like a coping mechanism rather than a genuine belief you hold in my opinion. What happened to the Redpill concepts of “naturals”?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:42 PM
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Doesn’t Redpill claim to have based the alpha male concept on evolutionary biology? Because in evolutionary biology, the alpha males are the elite males that are both the most genetically robust and the ones that basically monopolize the sex with women of the environment. That description fits the “Chads” that the Redpillers whine about hogging all the women much better than it fits the Redpiller that’s complaining about women themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:31 PM
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If there is “no Chad”, you’re saying that Redpillers are dumb for believing in the 80/20 thing? Also if there is no Chad, how are women “all chasing/banging the same small group of top tier guys” or “chasing guys that are way out of their league”? How are women “hypergamous and only attracted to the handsome 6 foot, 6 figure, 6 inches guys” then? All of those are common redpill narratives. You’re saying that Redpillers are wrong about all of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:25 PM
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So you’re saying that Redpill defines “alpha male” in a different way than evolutionary biologists do? Because in evolutionary biology, the alpha males are simply the group of elite males that basically monopolize sex with the females in a given environment. That would be the so called “Chads” that the Redpillers spend all their time complaining about in reality. Not the Redpillers themselves… And Redpill rhetoric begins to collapse on itself at some point. Supposedly women are only attracted to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 03:16 PM
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Why do you care about this so much? This is like the 8th thread you’ve made on this topic… You literally seem obsessed… Older guys can try to chase younger women if they want… But I don’t know why you’d assume those younger (fresh out of high school) women would have standards any lower than the older women. (If anything, their standards are likely to be higher due to them being less mature, more shallow, and more attractive than the older woman.) So I don’t know why you’d assume that someone th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 12:21 PM
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Users like you always come up with these ridiculous, convoluted theories and conspiracies about society trying to keep men down or whatever… But in reality, nobody really gives enough of a shit about random unattractive dudes complaining on the internet enough to even go through the trouble of any of that nonsense. You keep posting this same weird threads about some anti-male conspiracy bullshit because you refuse to accept certain realities about life. These realities are : Women are considered…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:12 PM
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There’s a lot of ways really. Charisma is a complex thing to define but when you really boil it down, it’s really just having a socially attractive personality and demeanor. As well as having the confidence to be comfortable around people. It’s a combination of things, such as your conversation skills, sense of humor, social abilities, body language, etc. And most importantly, it’s knowing how to read and respond to others in an attractive, “cool” way. So if you work on those things above(which …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:08 PM
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I think you’re confusing what people mean when they say “talk to them as regular people” tho. They just mean, “don’t be a socially awkward weirdo that overthinks and trips all over themselves”… Just talk to them like you would other people. No one’s saying you can’t flirt and all that, but just like how you wouldn’t turn into a socially awkward mess when talking to any other person, don’t do that with women either… It’s that simple bruh. I can tell you probably overthink your interactions with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 02:01 PM
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Ahh.. I see the issue. You fell for the whole Redpill “women only want the roided-out macho man” bullshit lol. 😂 Dude… You don’t have to look like you just won a “Mr. Olympia” contest in order to be attractive to women. The overly muscular type isn’t even the most popular archetype of guy from what Ive seen. Being at least somewhat fit is important, but you are insanely delusional if you think that women are using “Arnold Schwarzenegger” as they’re benchmark for what’s attractive. That’s not wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:53 AM
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Bro… When people here say, “learn to talk to women as regular people”, they don’t mean “become her gay bestie”… They mean “learn some actual social skills and charisma so that you don’t come as a socially awkward loser or dork when talking to women”… That’s what they’re telling you, which definitely does require learning to talk to women as normal people. Because that’s what they are. You think players are tripping over themselves in the presence of women, treating her as if he’s talking to some…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:47 AM
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Those pictures may not be as good, but he’s far from Quasimodo even in those. Plus he has height, status, and blue eyes to give him boosts. I still don’t see why you’d be surprised that women would find him attractive. He’s basically your typical Hollywood archetype. What exactly are his “flaws” in your opinion, because I’m not seeing anything that would doom him with women…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:31 AM
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Bro what… lol 😂 What do you mean? He looks normal and healthy… Some might say he even looks healthier than Brad Pitt currently… I think you’re the one that might be coping bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:23 AM
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Yep. if I recall, one guy that was on one of these shows even said there was an incident where all the women rejected one guy on camera on the show, only to all try to get his number backstage. Obviously I wasn’t there and can’t confirm if that happened, but I don’t see why that person would lie about seeing something like that. It just goes to show that, unless you know the show isn’t staged for sure, you gotta take these kind of shows with a massive grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:09 AM
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The guy that’s plays Dr. Strange? Are you trolling? He’s clearly a conventionally attractive Hollywood actor. Bro even has the whole “hunter eyes” thing lol. Plus his face is very symmetrical, and he’s tall as well. Women’s preferences aren’t surprising or bizarre at all if you actually know what they typically look for in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 11:02 AM
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Where are you getting this information that the benevolent sexist is likely to display hostile sexism? Seems like a reach that isn’t supported by the study in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:32 AM
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I’d tell them… Hush up, the boys apparently need it and you don’t. Just like how the girl’s bathroom is usually a bit more elaborate than the boy’s bathrooms at many schools/colleges. Because the girls need it to be. I doubt women would be too broken hearted about having more free time away from school than the boys for what it’s worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:30 AM
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Where the fuck did I say “only men are required to do things”? And you’re a massive hypocrite buddy. You literally are advocating in your other comment for men to be treated better in certain instances, and yet here you are bitching about women getting a similar treatment in certain areas. Isn’t that what you wanted? For one gender to get special treatment sometimes? Seems like you’re only up for it in the case of men getting that treatment tbh. And why does everything have to be some weird, chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:12 AM
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Boys cognitively develop slower than girls, does this mean boys should get extra attention in school? I doubt many people, including yourself would agree with that. Don’t assume things about people you don’t know. It’s very unwise. I’d totally be okay with something like that for boys if it was shown to be truly necessary and beneficial to them. I think the major issue is that it’s unclear whether this “slower maturity” is actually innate and biological versus merely being cultural or a mere cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 05:06 AM
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If there was something biological that physically prevented men from being able to cook as well as women, than the comparison might make some sense. 😄… But I do think the woman cooking for her man would be ideal. I just don’t believe it’s some required in order to pay back some type of “imaginary debt” like you’re implying… Does a parent’s kids need to provide some sort of equal service in order to get protection from the parents? Most people simply look to protect those weaker than them out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:54 AM
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The obligation isn’t that random strangers protect women (even tho the world would be a much better place if strangers did… So we can’t have that now can we…). The obligation is more the men that are related to or involved with her to protect her. You don’t have to do shit if she’s not associated with you buddy. But since women can’t rely on men except for the ones she knows well, I don’t wanna hear someone like you crying about women actively flocking towards big strong protector types and leav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:41 AM
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Is it “ageism” to not beat up and kid or an elderly person because of their age? (Even if they’re trying to provoke a fight)? Is it “ableist” to suggests that people with special needs should be able to be to have a their own classes so that they can get the extra help and attention that they need in order to not fall behind the able-bodied students? Is it “sexist” that men and women compete in separate sports and combat leagues? (Even despite the fact that most female athletes wouldn’t be able …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 04:35 AM
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The man in question kind of has to be stranger or the question doesn’t really work tbh. Most women would just pick their bf/husband, their father/ brother, or their gay guy friend if you gave them the option of a man they knew. Which kind of defeats the purpose of the question. I’m pretty sure that’s why it’s setup that way. Edit : Also you should keep in mind that the word “acquaintance” is very vague, and means little more than “stranger that I see often” for a lot of people. So I feel like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:13 PM
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Well, I never said that there are zero cases where you could or should debate who suffers more. I just mostly meant that it’s pointless on topics like this one. And we seem to be in agreement there. But I can understand if you thought I meant we should never debate suffering ever. But that isn’t what I meant. We seem to agree more than we disagree so no hard feelings buddy. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 10:07 PM
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You’re operating on several false premises my guy… The first one being that “rejection” even qualifies as “suffering😩” as opposed to be an unavoidable part of life. How in fuck is someone supposed to fix any sort of “rejection pain” gap to begin with lol… Think about this shit dude. You can’t stop someone from rejecting you regardless of whether it’s before or after sex. So this is an issue where both genders need to put on their “big kid pants” and grow up. Rejection is a part of life. Another …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:57 PM
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Not taboo… Just pointless. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 09:08 PM
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The biological differences are the source of the attitude tho.. So even if they aren’t inspiring the behaviors directly… They inspire the mindset that led to those behaviors. Therefore those biological differences are still highly relevant. The attitude (of so-called “benevolent sexism”) in question wouldn’t even exist without those biological differences. Those biological differences are why he feels the need to be benevolent towards women…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:51 PM
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Anyways, what biological difference does prevent women from opening doors or paying for meals? Well… Considering the fact that throughout history, there have been plenty of periods where women couldn’t work, on a credit card, open a bank account, or go to college… The “pay for her meals because you’ll be paying for them anyways once she’s married to you” one actually makes a lot of sense. 😄… It’s only in modern times it has that become redundant. Tho you could still argue that due to things like…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:41 PM
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So, I don’t think malice is always needed. I think treating ppl differently is enough to at least qualify. I’m a bit split myself over this. If we start basing if something is racist/sexist/whatever-ist on how it is perceived, this is a can of worms we don’t really wants to open What if the person in question wants, or even needs to be treated differently than others? Still bigoted? We should allow children all of the same responsibilities and liabilities that come with adulthood? People with sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:21 PM
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Maybe. But how can you actually know which is harder if men can’t walk in women’s shoes (metaphorically) and vice versa… You’ll never know for sure which is harder because you’ll never know what it’s feels like to be rejected as a woman. (And women will never know what it’s like to be rejected as a man). So it’s really an unanswerable question. I compared it to “Which hurts worse, getting kicked in the nuts or period pains?” in another comment. Because that’s just as impossible to answer. At the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:15 PM
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That’s a fair point actually. But I think OP meant which scenario was worse between the given ones in the original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:02 PM
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Something doesn’t have to be “bold” to be accurate or true tho. In fact, it’s usually the opposite. The statements that hold the most truth, are often the least controversial. Because they’re so true-to-life that they are obvious to anyone with a brain. Like, if I told you that the sun was pretty bright and hot… Is that a “bold” statement? No. Is it a true statement tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:59 PM
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Yeah, threads like this kind of have an “Oppression Olympics” vibe to them lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:55 PM
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I feel like this is just another version of… “Which hurts worse, being kicked in the nuts or getting your period?…🙂” There are certain questions that neither gender will ever be able to answer fully lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:53 PM
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Ehh.. I hear what you’re saying to a certain extent, but the way that I personally define “sexism” would be a hostile or discriminatory attitudes or behaviors towards someone due to their sex alone. (I define racism in a similar way). I don’t believe it’s true sexism if there no malice behind it. I don’t believe that treating someone more kindly or leniently in certain specific scenarios because of very real biological differences between them and you counts as sexism. If no one’s getting hurt b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:45 PM
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This says… “endorsement of BS by women is associated with..” meaning that the following “detrimental effects” occur when women endorse benevolent sexism towards themselves or their own gender. That’s completely different from men endorsing such beliefs. And the actual list itself is laughably vague, intangible, and weak if we’re being honest here. It doesn’t say that these things are the product of men exhibiting benevolent sexism. The detrimental effects of women dating men that have BS views d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:17 PM
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Right, but I’m saying that the way they’re classifying something as “sexist” or not is dumb in reality. Also, did they happen to list or explain those effects? Because I’m not sure I buy that part tbh… And the point I’m making is that, any supposed detrimental effects of BS (very appropriate acronym for this concept) are unintentional. The women aren’t actually going for men with hostility towards them. They are going for men that perform traditionally “chivalrous” behaviors for them. The type o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:32 PM
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…Literally everyone has a “bad attitude unless they like you”. Literally everyone… You guys constantly mistake normal things that apply to everyone as if they only apply to one gender or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:07 PM
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It’s also worth noting that the women preferred the benevolent sexism over the hostile sexism. So if you’re trying to use this to push some dumb “see women like assholes” narrative, it actually says the opposite. It says that women prefer classically chivalrous men. The kind of behavior that most dumbass Redpillers might mistake for “simping”… So it’s another blow to Redpill narratives actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:02 PM
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I’ve seen the article that inspired the post OP, and while I don’t completely disagree… it is worth pointing out that this idea only makes sense if you apply a really stupid and banal definition of what counts as “sexism”… If I say “men shouldn’t hit women because women are weaker than men on average” or if I say “men should protect women because men are stronger than women”… By the dumbass definition of this article, that would count as “benevolent sexism”. But it’s not sexist to simply acknowl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:01 PM
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Yeah, but the issue is that when you frame acknowledging any differences between men and women as “benevolent sexism” that makes it impossible to not be called sexist no matter how much you like women. Saying that you have to view men and women as exactly the same in every regard in order to not be sexist is kind of dumb tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:48 PM
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https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2000/10/female-monogamy-is-fiction-not-fact-hrdy-says/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/a38dwj/monogamy-may-be-even-more-difficult-for-women-than-it-is-for-men https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/05/nytimes-on-lybrido-women-get-bored-with-monogamy-faster-than-men.html https://www.thecut.com/2014/06/women-arent-wired-for-monogamy-and-more-myths.html None of this supports the idea that women are naturally monogamous or that women only want to have sex with o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:18 PM
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Nonsense. You see how fast your response went from “women aren’t like that” to “well… those women are mentally damaged and don’t count”.. You’re already back tracking. Which makes it obvious that you don’t know what you’re talking about. You have zero proof that women only want to fuck one guy when she has multiple attractive options. Most times she only wants to fuck one or two guys because most of the men around her are unattractive. But you literally have evidence right in front of you that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:01 PM
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Then explain female infidelity… If women only want to fuck one guy at a time. Also explain women having sneaky links and “hoe phases” then… Explain women that get trains ran on them by multiple men… Go.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 12:50 PM
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That’s fair. Good luck to you as well buddy. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:53 PM
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No. The women are still judging the men based on the conditioned ranking scale they have been developing over their entire lifetimes. If every man on earth was a supermodel they would find subtle ways to distinguish the TOP supermodels. You have zero proof of this. You are merely confusing your assumptions with fact. The scientific evidence contradicts what you’re saying tho. Why is it that a 5/10 man in the US can go to Bogota and is now a 9/10? It ain’t looks. He’s not suddenly a 9/10… These n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:48 PM
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There is a notable correlation between women’s emancipation and birth rate decline my friend… https://www.jstor.org/stable/43488406#:~:text=Increase%20in%20women’s%20empowerment%20are,women’s%20empowerment%20and%20higher%20fertility. Women do not want children nearly as much as us men want them to want children. The idea of the happy go-lucky housewife that wants nothing more than to be a perpetual baby-factory is simply an outdated fantasy. Patriarchal propaganda that stems from TV and Film wri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:36 PM
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Right, but the point is, if women evaluated men on a truly relative scale, they would have still only flock to one or two men no matter how attractive the total pool of men were. Because their relative attraction floor would simply shift either upward or downward depending on the most attractive men. But that didn’t happen. Women’s evaluations of men didn’t adjust in a relative fashion. The women simple show more interest in more men if the group of men were more objectively attractive. That dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:22 PM
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”If the biological father has no interest in caring for the child, or the husband does not want to relinquish his rights, the outcome is far from certain and primarily fact-specific. An experienced family law attorney should be consulted about the best way to proceed in these circumstances. The very next part of what you quoted my guy… 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:30 PM
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Men and women don’t want to pair with each other to the exact same degree tho. Men as class are way more interested in sex and making babies than women as class.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:27 PM
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Post proof then. Post proof that the biological father is magically off the hook by simply not claiming paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:25 PM
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Right, but women mate select on a relative basis. If there’s only one man in her village she’ll pair with him willingly. There’s no actual proof of this. If anything there’s proof of the opposite. Take this passage for example First, the women did show some evidence of a Coolidge effect under certain conditions. In most cases, the women allotted all ten dates to only one or two men. However, when all of the men were highly attractive, the women showed an interest in dating more of them. https://…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:23 PM
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What you’re saying is irrelevant because they made the child’s biological father pay the child support. Not the woman’s husband. That directly contradicts the narrative that OP is trying to push. Which is this dumb idea that you’re automatically on the hook for a child you had no part in creating. That isn’t true and OP is merely pushing unrealistic scenarios in order to cry “woe is men” and act as if society is out to get him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:08 PM
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Well in the case of adopted children, the father is still claiming to be their father legally at least. So he’d be expected to still pay child for the kid. (Unless the biological father was still alive and reachable.) It seems more like these laws are there to specifically prevent women from just bringing a man a random kid he didn’t create and then expecting him to be on the hook for it. In fact, after googling it real quick just now, I’m almost certain of it. A man that knowingly adopts a kid …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:05 PM
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Yes, but the point of the link is that it’s not the husband paying the child support, it’s the affair-partner of the wife (aka the biological father of the child). This directly contradicts the idea that OP is pushing. Which is that if your wife cheats and has a betrayal-baby on you, that you’ll somehow be stuck paying the child-support on a child you didn’t create. That doesn’t seem to be how things go in reality tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 08:50 PM
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Well… After looking into if for a few minutes. I’m not sure that’s a thing that happens too often. According to these attorneys at least, the man that created the kid is responsible for the child support. Even if the woman has an entirely separate husband. Edit: There’s also this link which states that a child that’s not biologically yours could be exempt from child support payments.. And I saw another link that stated you’d only have to pay if you previously claimed to be the child’s legal guar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 08:40 PM
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I believe people here are overdoing it by assuming 3 random women on a podcast represents some type of “smoking gun” that exposes how billions of women think… But I don’t disagree that women are more picky than men on average. I just know for a fact that a lot of guys are kidding themselves thinking they are that much better. Average men aren’t all that enthusiastic about average women either in reality. Those guys usually either just have a delusional idea of what the average woman looks like (…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 07:08 PM
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Redpillers will also say that the average women is a 22 year old with 1000s of followers on IG that has rappers and athletes in her DMs. They aren’t talking about average women in reality. They just think they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 06:11 PM
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Redpillers don’t make podcasts about how hard it is for mediocre men/misogynistic losers to pull “baddies”? Be realistic bro. Both genders do a lot of the same shit and yet they both feel like “it’s different when I do it.🤓😑”… This is the part where one of you come up for an excuse for how “it’s different” when guys do it. And those women that had to begrudgingly settle for the men they didn’t want in the past were merely using the men they married as a “betabux” or a mediocre consolation prize.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:47 PM
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Ad hominem attacks don’t change reality buddy. Go cry about women somewhere else. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:31 PM
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I don’t believe that. Because certain aspects of attractiveness are hardwired into our brains. To the point where even newborn babies come into the world preferring prettier, more symmetrical faces. Even pets and animals have been shown to prefer conventionally attractive human faces in studies. It’s not a “learned” preference to prefer good physical genetics. It’s biological in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:22 PM
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I believe there are simply evolutionary reasons for it tbh. Because it’s not even a trait exclusive to human women. It’s likely the purpose of being female in any mammal species. To act as a sort of evolutionary filter on the male species. And before any one says “but how come the women don’t get filtered🤪”, they do… Both through competing for the top men and through their eventual sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:18 PM
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People are “bating an eye” in this exact thread tho so that’s not true. Both genders get ridiculed for being overly picky or delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:15 PM
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Even if the women acknowledged that the guy wasn’t on her (imaginary) “level”, that wouldn’t actually stop them from wanting those men. Just like how old, ugly, broke geezers still pine after the hot 20 year old women that are in their sexual primes. Even despite these old men not being on those women’s “level”. This is just a trait that both genders exhibit in reality. Everyone wants the hot people, no matter how ugly/unattractive they are themselves. It’s not really a gendered behavior in my o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:13 PM
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It is common knowledge tho. I keep telling people, men (as a collective) want women way more than women (as a collective) want men. This is just a reality of life. And no amount of whining, raging, or even lashing out in violence will change this reality. Guys would do better to accept this and either choose to compete, or choose to walk away. Either way, no amount of anger or outrage over it will change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:07 PM
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Nobody’s required to do anything. Most men are already taller and stronger than most women anyways… So it’s hardly an outrageous demand. Less and less women are demanding that the man make more than them. But if he does, than that’s probably just a nice bonus. Also “patriarchy” does not mean, “the men are taller than the women”. Patriarchy means “all men have more rights than all women”. Women aren’t advocating for that, they just want a guy slightly taller than them bro. It’s not that big of a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:52 PM
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The op was equating women wanting equality under the law to women wanting a partner that was identical to them… But those aren’t the same or related at all. So there’s no actual hypocrisy or contradiction there (which is what the OP was obviously implying)… So… A woman can want women to have equality under the law while still wanting their individual partner to be taller, stronger, more successful than them, “genius”… There’s no contradiction there. As far as the rest of your post, I genuinely c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:42 PM
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Achieve more what? Money? The man doesn’t have to achieve anything he doesn’t want to in reality. Yes, Women will naturally flock to the men that want to achieve things even if just for themselves. But no one’s forcing men that a under-achievers to do anything they don’t want to do. You just can’t have your cake and eat it either. You can’t expect women to flock towards under-achieving men at the same rate they do successful men. But that has nothing to do with women wanting equal rights under t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:31 PM
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I didn’t say that women currently don’t have equal rights in first world countries. I’m saying that those equal rights that women now have are the “equality” that women were fighting for all along. When women said they wanted “equality”, they always meant equality under the law. Not “I want to date a man that is identical to me in every way”. That was never what women meant by “equality” to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:54 PM
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Do men not want a women who is prettier (aka facially superior) to himself? Is that hypocrisy? Or does physical attractiveness have nothing to do with a person’s desire for equality under the law?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:47 PM
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Equal rights under the law = / = a partner that’s identical to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:43 PM
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I don’t think I agree with your definition of the word “patriarchy” here bro. I don’t believe “patriarchy” is as simple as “the most wealthy, high value men fuck the most beautiful women”. I do agree that men have traditionally been incentivized to pursue wealth and resources at a more aggressive rate than women. But even then, the amount of women choosing men solely based on their finances seems to be dropping for everyone except the Uber-rich. So who knows whether that will still be true for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:38 PM
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Good question lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:33 PM
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Yeah, if anything, threads like this show that the OP themselves are the ones with a weird thought process in reality. Imagine thinking that the few individual women that you meet on any social media platform represent every woman ever… 😂. Bro probably fell for the “AWALT” Redpill brain rot lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:11 PM
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How so…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:05 PM
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No, it’s not that simple. Of course there is truth to what you’re saying. To an extent the disparities are biological, but they are also historically and socially conditioned, and the two interpolate with each other. This is almost never acknowledged, because acknowledging it potentially challenges society… Nah, it’s never acknowledged because it isn’t true. First off, Women still ask “is he beautiful”… Isn’t that the whole thing that incels are mad about? Women are no longer financially depende…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:58 PM
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Probably because what feminism works towards (equality between the sexes) is a much more reasonable goal than the ones that all of those other extremist-ideologies push…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:38 PM
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Men and women are sexually dimorphic and not attracted to the same physical traits… Of course beauty standards will be different between the genders. If you have issue with that, take that up with God or Mother Nature… Blaming women for basic biological realities is stupidity in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:35 PM
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The worst thing that will ever happen to most average/less attractive men is the discovery of the whole “Alpha male vs. Beta male” idea. Most unattractive men are much closer to what the redpill describes as a “beta male” in terms of their attractiveness, but this realization (of their supposed inferiority) damn-near traumatizes them to their core lol. At that point they will develop a crippling insecurity about ever being perceived as “beta” in any situation. And to Redpillers, dealing with sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 12:19 PM
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“You have needs” = / = “you’re entitled to a relationship even if no one wants to be in one with you” You’re comparing apples to oranges. Neither gender is entitled to a relationship if they can’t get someone to willingly be in one. And I agree that “you have needs” is a bad way to think about things because sex isn’t a need for either gender. (It’s a want). But I literally haven’t heard anyone tell women “you have needs” outside of cheesy old romcoms so I don’t know how many people in real life…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 09:23 PM
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Having children doesn’t “cost” us men any physical pain or “labor”. So of course we’re less resistant to the idea. And when you consider the fact that it’s almost always the women that do the majority of the physical child-rearing (with the men usually just providing the resources and pitching in occasionally), it wouldn’t surprise me if men were a lot less apprehensive about having children. What you’re asking is basically the same as asking “Hmm… Have you guys ever noticed that rich people are…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 09:24 PM
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You’re just talking nonsense at this point bro. I’m not going back and forth with you about this anymore lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:57 PM
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Statistically it isn’t all that common. No matter how much you delude yourself. And you’re the one pedestalizing them if you literally can’t be happy without that specific type of woman in your life dude. You’re a simp for “looks” and just don’t realize it lol. But feel free to try and chase those women if you want. You just need to realize that when they opt for men far superior to you, they aren’t the ones being delusional and chasing someone out of their league. Guys like you are. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:52 PM
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I didn’t say any of that. But the issue here is that you’re likely being dishonest. When you say “just not fat”, what you’re actually thinking of is “a woman in her prime fertility years with a highly beautiful face that’s looks similar to the cheerleaders that I used to crush on in school. That also doesn’t have kids and has a supermodel bikini body which includes amply breasts and a nice toned ass..” That’s what a lot of you are really thinking of. You just either aren’t honest enough to admit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 06:40 PM
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A lot of times when guys in RP spaces say “all the women are fucking athletes, rappers, actors, etc” they’re really just revealing they’re own hypergamy tbh. Because it means that they are paying attention to only IG thots, influencers, Onlyfans girls, etc most likely…. Which are usually some of the most conventionally attractive women on Earth. So of course they get attention from top-tier men. But realistically, the average woman isn’t getting those opportunities. So what they’re basically adm…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 05:57 PM
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What are your thoughts on the matter? I think this was the case in the past but obviously not today. A lot of women encourage each other to be more promiscuous these days, not less. Think about things like “Hot Girl Summer”, “City Girls”, “sex-positivity”, and all of that. Even girls doing Onlyfans get told “get the bag, queen” by other women. So I think this article or whatever is pushing an outdated stereotype tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 12:05 PM
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Soon it’ll be robots and AI that “keep society running” Who you think that will fix, maintain, build the robots? The “build-and-repair” robots… Who you think will dig, refine and make the material those robots are built The “digging and refinery” robots… The “material-making” robots… Who you think will work producing the energy those robots need to work and function. The AI and robots in charge of running the nuclear power plants… (Maybe they’ll be a small number of humans involved for oversight…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 11:56 AM
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Not really tbh… There are a bunch of frustrated people that can’t afford a home as well, it hasn’t amounted to much it terms of unrest. And the military technology is getting so good that it will stamp out any attempts at unrest regardless. I’m not sure why you think few entitled brats are gonna throw their weight around and magically get society to succumb to them. Wasn’t the highest rates of inceldom like 33% at most? That’s about 16% (at most) of the population my guy… And it’s likely to be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 11:52 AM
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Driverless cars are actually a great example of how we definitely are on the verge of mass integration bro. We’re way closer than you seem to realize. It’s already beginning in some states. These things take time to rollout… But it is happening bro. Day by day, week by week. I think you’re looking for some type of obvious “watershed” moment where companies like Google come out and say “it’s finally done guys!”, but that’s probably not how it’s gonna play out. It’ll likely be a slow, methodical p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:01 AM
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Hackers Seems like a pretty flimsy strategy but okay lmao. But why wouldn’t the “hackers” simply use those skills to acquire money and thus, no longer need to go against the “corporate overlords” anyway? I don’t know bro, but the bottom line is that regardless of whether UBI comes or not, we really are headed towards where human labor isn’t nearly as valuable or nearly as needed to keep shit together. So any guy trying to use that as some sort of weird leverage to get something is in for a reali…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:43 AM
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"AI" (in reality these are just more complex automation tools so far) has to make leaps and bounds in complexity to achieve true mass replacement of workers. Are you implying that you’re naive enough to think those “leaps and bounds” won’t be made in the future? Because researchers won’t stop until they do achieve that level of automation. That’s literally the entire point of developing AI in the first place. And I think you’re vastly overestimating how smart an AI would have to be in order to r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:37 AM
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We do know what will happen… It’s already beginning to happen. The future is that there will be way less human jobs required to keep society running. Whether that’s a completely good thing, completely bad thing, or something in the middle is up to you. But it’s undeniable that this is the route we’re headed down as a society. You’re already seeing companies like Amazon moving towards having more and more robots, less and less humans over the last few years. There’s no denying that the world we’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:22 AM
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I’m not sure what “Revolution” those people could cause when up against thousands of 7-foot killer robots and drones with lightening fast AI as their brains (and the ability to repair themselves from any damage)… Also if they can’t afford the robots in your scenario, how will they be able to afford the weapons, resources, or food needed to pull off this supposed “revolution”? Those people would be no match in reality. But I don’t think it will even come to any of that. If humans get something li…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:16 AM
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I think the actual point of the meme is that the incel isn’t actually pointing out anything in reality. It’s all just wishful thinking and a revenge fantasy in their head due to them being unhappy with their own personal lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:15 AM
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The problem with your assumption is that you assume that society will always need the contributions of the “lemmings” as you call them. But we are on the verge of AI and robots replacing many workers and likely doing a better job at most tasks than humans are. Soon it’ll be robots and AI that “keep society running” and this vague “society will collapse without unattractive men getting sex” argument will be revealed for the nonsense it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:13 AM
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It’s not “defeatist”, it’s reality bruh lol. If you’re desperately trying to sprout literal wings from your back by drinking gallons of Redbull everyday, and someone tells you that it’s not gonna happen, they aren’t being “defeatist”. They’re trying to help you by telling you the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 07:25 PM
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So… legalized prostitution? The tricky part is, there are limits to even something like that tho. Even if it’s legalized nationwide, what if there simply aren’t enough women interested in that line of work? What if many sex workers still have a certain level of standards and some men still don’t make the cut? What if the most attractive sex workers are quickly monopolized by the rich/attractive, and the only ones left for the men at the bottom are not nearly as attractive as what these men are h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 07:17 PM
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When did I say you didn’t… I’m saying that blaming feminists for random shit won’t do anything to further your “cause”… And it’s funny you mention life outside of threads like this actually… Because one look at your profile makes it clear that you don’t actually put that much energy into these causes in reality… You mostly seem preoccupied with video games and shit like that. Which would be fine, if you weren’t pretending to be a “rebel with a cause” in this thread bruh. 😂. Nice try buddy. You d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 07:10 PM
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You can’t lobby the government to make someone fuck you if they don’t want to because then they’ll just lobby the government against you and they’ll have a much stronger case for injustice than you ever will bruh. Grow up and get that through your head. The best you’ll get is maybe legalized prostitution… But considering that a lot of you guys are the type that whines about things like being a “betabux” as well, you’re likely just shit out of luck. What are you even expecting the government to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 07:02 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/mLFqu95MlE You could make all of the same arguments about money… But will the government or banks let you walk out with free bags of cash? Will they suddenly give it out to you for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 06:53 PM
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You agree with what’s obviously a small typo?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 06:43 PM
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Complaining on a niche subreddit about how much you hate feminists isn’t campaigning for anything dude. And that’s the point I was making. Work on your reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 06:42 PM
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Feminists are not your enemy bro… Feminists are not the ones causing men to suicide at higher rates and all of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 06:39 PM
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Feminists didn’t wait around for all the men before campaigning for change. If you want to fight for men’s rights. Get out there and actually campaign for them like women did. As opposed to wasting time on Reddit blaming feminists for things that have nothing to do with them. Realistically you don’t even know how many feminists do or don’t care about men’s issues. But that doesn’t matter does it? Can’t miss an excuse to blame women for all of your personal gripes now can you… And as far as wheth…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 05:23 PM
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When did I say that there were no men campaigning? I’m saying that the majority of guys don’t give a shit. And I’m saying that feminists aren’t stopping you from campaigning for those things, and you posting that simply proved me right about that. So how exactly are feminists at fault here? They’re not. If these organizations aren’t getting recognized, it’s because not enough men give a shit about them like I said. But of course you’ll use anything as an excuse to whine about women. Even you you…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 05:13 PM
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Food is a need because you’ll die without it. Even in your own essential nutrients arguments, you’ll get sick and possibly die with getting certain nutrients… That’s the only reason that food counts as a need. Because you’ll literally get sick or die without it. Same with a lack of exercise. You can not make the same argument for sex. No one will get sick and die without sex. Therefore sex can never be compared to those things. No matter what convoluted mental gymnastics you attempt. A biologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 05:07 PM
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They didn’t… They just campaigned for change and enough people agreed with them in order to make said change happen. Nothing stopping us guys from doing the same if the issues in question are legitimate and fixable. But of course none of you actually care about these things enough to campaign for real change. You merely brings these things up to justify your whining about how much you dislike women. But you don’t actually care about any of these things outside of that. And that’s the reason chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:53 PM
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No, you defined "need" wrongly and are using subjectivism to make a point. No, you just don’t understand what a “biological need” is. Which are the type of need being discussed here https://library.fiveable.me/key-terms/ap-psych/biological-need# And you’ve also yet to demonstrate how sex is “essential” as opposed to merely being “desirable”… So even by your own hamfisted definition of the word, sex still wouldn’t count as a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:33 PM
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Do you know what the word “essential” means? Hint : it does not mean “I get really, really sad without it😔”. In the context of biological needs, a need is something you’ll die without. End of story. And if I asked you to make an objective argument that sex was anything more than a highly desirable activity, could you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:17 PM
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You could make all of the same arguments about money… But will the government or banks let you walk out with free bags of cash? Will they suddenly give it out to you for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:14 PM
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I responded here basically if you’re still interested in what I think on the matter. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/ukAFpAyeTo
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:12 PM
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I don’t understand why you guys think these are women’s issues to solve. When feminism proves that one gender doesn’t need the other’s permission to fight for their rights. Especially because some of these things you’re mentioning can’t even be solved even with feminism’s help. Like what the fuck are feminists supposed to do about male suicide rates? I’m not sure that’s something you can systematically prevent. It might just be an innate trait within males to off ourselves more. Not every differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:10 PM
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Wanting something really really bad doesn’t suddenly make that thing a need… No how bad you want that thing or person dude… When will you guys finally understand this smh🤦‍♂️… Tho I suspect that deep down, you already do understand it. You just refuse to accept it because then you have to also accept that your so-called “plight” is really just unimportant and trivial in the end…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:04 PM
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Yep… A lot of guys are hypocrites and have the exact same annoying traits/behaviors that they spend all day bitching about on the internet. More news at 11… 👨‍💼
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 01:11 PM
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Just out of curiosity, what specific “male issues” (that can actually be remedied by feminists to begin with) do you think the feminists are ignoring? I can agree with you in principle. But the issue here is that most of the complaints on forums like this aren’t genuine examples of male oppression. (So there’s nothing a feminist would be able to do to change them anyways). A lot of so-called “men” don’t seem to get that not being able to get your dick sucked isn’t an actual systemic issue that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 12:36 PM
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I feel like it’s rare for either sex to ever pass as the other completely. There are almost always subtle physical/biological cues that give it away. I won’t say that it could never happen, but it’s way more rare than people like OP want to convince themselves tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 09:54 AM
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That’s kind of the vibe that I got from this post as well tbh. OP comes across kind of insecure or defensive about their situation as a trans person. They seem to be trying to convince themselves of the things they’re saying more than anyone else lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 09:45 AM
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Isn't it obvious? If you for example get a woman a gift while expecting one in return, the gift you gave wasn't out of love. It was for your own self interest, which isnt love. No offense but, are you insane? lol. But in all seriousness tho, you can absolutely give your partner a birthday gift out of love, while still expecting them to return the favor on your birthday. There’s nothing weird or sinister about that. And you could also argue that when you give someone a gift, you’re repaying them …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:42 AM
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You’re getting those downvotes because you’re simply not realizing that what you’re saying is actually not the truth dude… You can’t just say “no it isn’t” without at least explaining your argument. You’ve provided no explanation for why love isn’t transactional. You can’t just say waltz around saying “nah ah🤪” (while giving no counter arguments) and expect people to take you seriously. So I’ll ask you directly… What is love to you? And how is love not transactional according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:33 AM
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Yes it is love. All love is transactional… because all love is based on you acquiring some level of joy or pleasure from the object of your affection. You love your favorite food because it tastes so good and satisfied you. You love your favorite show because that show provides you with good entertainment. And just like you love things and people based on what they provide you, people will love you based primarily on what you provide them. That’s what love is, even the love between sexual partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:02 AM
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Why is it “terrible advice”? Explain it for the class… What is your super-magical-amazing-alternative to that advice? You seem reluctant to answer this question considering the fact that you’ve dodged it twice now. And how exactly is the advice given to men an unnatural standard? I’d literally give the same advice to a woman complaining about being broke as well. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:10 AM
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If he’s perfect, why would he be complaining? That doesn’t make sense dude. If he’s complaining, he obviously has flaws that are causing him problems. His only solution is to get to work fixing those problems. Or if they are unfixable, he has to get over it and learn to work with what he has. It’s as clear as that. And you didn’t answer the question. What is the magical advice that you’d give the person complaining here?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 08:53 AM
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The truth is, most men are not interested in purely platonic friendships with women unless that’s absolutely all they can get OP. It’s usually a consolation prize for men. Or they’re naive enough to think they can “win you over” with time. Either way, the reason the man drops you so easily after rejection is because he never intended to be a purely platonic friend to you. That was just him “buying time” so to speak. And you’re right that this is a contradiction because men will say they don’t re…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 08:45 AM
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You are poor ? Get rich. And what would be your ground-breaking advice to someone constantly complaining about being broke? Like it or not, the most potent response to that person actually is “either get rich or get over it”. So if that’s not a good enough answer, then what is in your mind? No matter what you say to that person, they still either have to make the necessary improvements in order to change their luck, or they have to just get the fuck over it like everyone else. So I don’t know wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 08:39 AM
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I hear what you’re saying to a certain extent. But have you considered that maybe things like slut-shaming only worked back then because we simply didn’t have the technology that we do now? Even if some guys tried to bring back slut shaming, what happens when Taylor Swift drops her sex-positive feminist anthem that influences women to have casual sex? It may not be possible to enforce those things these days due to how tech and mass communication work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:11 AM
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Those supposed “dating laws” were likely just a passing moment in history that was never going to last for all of time. And even the going by the 1950s idea of dating, there was never any guarantee that people got laid due to simply being morally good people. Think about it bruh, the entire idea of sex outside of wedlock was considered immoral to begin with back then. So why would morals all of a sudden matter there when hooking up is an immoral act by default according to old-school traditional…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:00 AM
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Dude… Guys like Jeffrey Epstein end up with sexual partners despite their huge moral deficits… Having success with dating or relationships has nothing to do with your moral character. Rappers and gangbangers that brag about doing heinous crimes still get tons of pussy bruh. Just get that dumb idea out of your head or you’re going to end up with a crazy case of “Redpill Rage” when reality finally smacks you in the face. 😂. Dating and morals have no connections. Even guys that beat up their partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:46 AM
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If you believe that morals are beneficial, then you will stick to them regardless of how much or little success you have with money or fame or sex… If you don’t, then you never really had those morals to begin with. It was all just an act that you put on expecting some type of shallow reward in return… No one’s saying that it’s bad to have morals. But having morals has nothing to do with whether or not people want to fuck you. Just like it has nothing to do with whether or not you’re rich, or wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:22 AM
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The issue here is that you conflate dating as being connected to some type of moral altruism… As if your success with women/men is supposed to be determined by how moral or “genuinely kind” you are. But it’s obvious that this type of idea doesn’t make any sense because no where else in life do we expect things to work like that. No one complains that it’s “unfair” that “genuinely good people” aren’t all rich and famous. No one complains that it’s “unfair” that genuinely good people aren’t just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 05:28 AM
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What makes you think older women date older men for any different reasons? What makes you think I was suggesting this in the first place? Big guts, wrinkly skin and bald heads aren't really any more attractive to older women than they are to younger women. Right but an older woman will likely be less disgusted and more likely to tolerate these things than a young 20 year old who is likely to still be somewhat immature and extremely physically shallow. (Especially when she also likely has young, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:50 AM
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What’s creepy is the amount of unattractive, old geezers that actually think young beautiful women want them for anything other than financial incentives… 😂. Those same guys will then go on to make other posts about how “betabuxxing” is cuckoldry and only an idiot would agree to such relationships. They won’t even realize the irony either lol. A lot of PPD’s obsession with age gap relationship come off as some lame, delusional revenge fantasy honestly. The few older guys (such as Leo DiCaprio) t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:20 AM
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That has nothing to do with looks or sex tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 01:37 PM
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Well, they are in at least a few ways. Such as achieving female orgasms. So there’s that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 12:48 PM
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… …Do people want to be born non-millionaires? Fuck no… But it’s still gonna happen a lot lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:42 AM
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You think a random doctor is at the top of the sexual hierarchy? Be serious bro… 😂. If you’re most valuable selling point is money, than you likely are not that genuinely sexually attractive to women. Therefore you’re not at the top of the hierarchy anyways… And you also have to consider the gap in libido bruh. Men collectively are horny much more often than women are. Therefore even if you took the sexiest women and the sexiest men on Earth and put them in the same room, the men would still des…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:36 AM
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No, they’re right actually. The attractiveness level is a major part of what people bring to the table in sexual relationships. So if one gender is significantly less attractive than the other, that gender is bringing less value to the table in the beginning. Which is why guys often have to make up for this lack of attractiveness by agreeing to provide for the woman financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:26 AM
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Sexually, yes. She’s more valuable from a sexual perspective. In fact you could argue that the doctor in question isn’t valuable at all sexually (unless he’s highly physically attractive). His money is. But that’s no different than what OP is suggesting. That most men have to make up for their lack of sex appeal via monetary payment to the women. I think they’re probably right honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:22 AM
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The type of equality that humans have been fighting for is equality under the law. Which is something actually achievable. Unlike the type of “equality” you’re alluding to. You can’t force women to like men as much as men like women. You can’t force women to see all men as equally attractive if they don’t. So the type of “equality” you’re talking about is literally impossible. The person you’re arguing with is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:19 AM
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Utter bullshit… How are men able to oppress women even to this day in places like the Middle East if women are just as physically formidable as men? How have men been able to oppress women historically period? Why are men’s and women’s sports separated if men and women are equal in physical prowess? Why have transwomen been shown to dominate women’s sports, meanwhile transmen can’t even make male leagues? Why is a highschool boy’s soccer team regularly/ able to overwhelmingly beat the women’s wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 04:03 AM
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I didn’t say I didn’t care about men victimized. But you don’t have to make up some false reality where men are just as at risk to be victimized as women in every scenario. That’s just clearly not true. Is there a certain type of violence that men may be a higher risk of? Of course, I said that from the very beginning. But there, are also certain types of violence that women are absolutely more at risk of experiencing as well. You just can’t accept this reality because this is some type of dumb …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:55 AM
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So you’re just hiding behind “this one guy (who has no way of even knowing that because the incident would have to be reported in the first place for him to even know about it…) told me so one time 🤪” You’re merely pulling “facts” out of your ass because you’re in some weird “oppression Olympics” competition with women. You want to be a victim so bad bro smh. 😂. But the reality of the matter says your just wrong here. No matter how much you lie to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:44 AM
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One strong man can absolutely hold his own against multiple weaker women bro. I’ve not only seen it but I know plenty of people that have as well. And as far as the “male victimization isn’t reported”, do you actually have proof of this? How do you know it isn’t reported as much simply because it doesn’t occur as much?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:34 AM
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If there’s no gun involved… the strength difference between men and women alone prevents men from being just as vulnerable to sexual violence as women are. Be realistic bruh… He’ll, there have even been cases where male attackers have wrestled guns out of female cops hands. So even a gun can’t overcome the strength gap between men and women at times. If men are just as at risk for sexual and domestic violence as women are, why do all the stats on the matter say otherwise? Why aren’t men reported…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:25 AM
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Men are more safe from certain types of violence. (Sexual violence and domestic violence especially). But more at risk of other types of violence. Tho you should also keep in mind that, unless a gun is involved, men are physically stronger than women and have a better chance of physically overcoming their attacker. But all in all, I’d say it’s pretty close between the two sexes overall. But the average man is probably still slightly better off just due to being able to put up a better fight than…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 03:13 AM
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Not really lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:26 PM
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The guy making “wife jokes” isn’t actually complaining about women or the dating market or any of that bullshit tho dude… He’s simply poking fun at his specific wife. Also you should keep in mind that the men that do this aren’t usually serious and actually love their wives in reality. Jokes aren’t meant to be taken literally bro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:05 PM
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Bro you literally don't understand the difference between incels and redpill? I do. But the type of Redpillers that complain about not being able to pull any women due to “hypergamy” or whatever are basically the same as incels anyway. Does any man who has a complaint about the dating market just instantly an incel to you? No, and I don’t recall ever suggesting that to begin with…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 12:45 PM
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I’m not a male feminist and I’m definitely not bluepilled dude. I just don’t simp for men either unlike a lot of modern Redpillers. I try to call it fair for both sides without bias. I literally just challenged and dismantled someone yesterday that said that “all male sexuality was evil and animalistic” bruh… I’m not biased towards either gender in these debates. Seems like you could learn a thing or two from that approach tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 11:21 AM
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Or not dying in the example of my great insecurity regarding my ability to fly off cliffs. TIL not everyone knows the difference between insecurity and physical safety… So no insecurities don't lead you on those paths. Insecurities let you know your limits in life. Pretending there are no limits leads to continual defeat and ridicule. Insecurity isn’t the same as knowing your limits. You can be secure and confident in yourself while knowing your limits. Insecurities is just needless anxiety, par…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 10:03 AM
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Insecurities that lead you down the path of neuroticism, self-loathing, misogyny, and obsession with imaginary “Chads” is wrong and bad, genius… There’s a reason that insecurities are things that most people try to work to overcome. Rather than just stewing in them and letting them become your entire personality. If you can’t understand something as simple as that then you’re the only stupid one here buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:37 AM
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Well if they’re struggling to attract women at all, then they likely have no value to any woman. Which would count as no objective value in my book. Of course by “value” in this conversation, we’re talking sexual or romantic value. That person could still be valuable in other areas obviously. But regardless, the point I’m making is that, people ignore Briffault’s Law because Briffault’s Law ends any possible debate. Once you acknowledge it, congratulations, mystery solved! You now know why some …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:56 AM
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I don’t think most people really ignore it. Maybe hardcore Redpillers I guess. But that’s just because if Redpiller’s actually acknowledged Briffault’s Law as legitimate in nature, then they can no longer blame women or society for their lack of sexual success. According to Briffault’s law, if a man is struggling with women, it is squarely because the man in question has no objective value lol. It’s kind of hard to continue to blame others if that’s the case. So it wouldn’t surprise me if a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 05:34 AM
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Irrelevant. The fact of the matter is, some women try to prey on students as well. Do they represent all women or all teachers? And also you literally already acknowledged that some people are homosexual. Isn’t that literally proof that not all male or female’s have the same preferences/perversions?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:12 AM
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Do you not realize that plenty of female teachers have been caught trying to solicit students as well? Do those perverted women represent all women? Or even all teachers? Also it doesn’t matter what people would or wouldn’t do in a lawless world. A big part of not being a scumbag is not succumbing to your lowest impulses. Which ephebofiles (however you spell it) clearly can’t do. So it’ll never be normalized. They’ll always be shamed for having a lack of self control at the very least.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:08 AM
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Why do you think all male sexuality works the same way? You literally even acknowledge in your own post that homosexuality is a thing. Which is proof that not all men are into the same stuff sexually lol You’ve literally destroyed your own argument by even bringing that up lmao. Just let all of this “all men are pedos/teen chasers” thing go already. You’re just wrong here and too stubborn to accept it tbh. I already pointed out several flaws in the last post you made about this pedo/ephebofile s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 11:02 AM
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It’s not that women are allowed to have structural problems and men aren’t. But when women were complaining about structural problems, it was things like not have the bodily autonomy, the right to vote, own a home, or even the right to leave an abusive husband (among other shit). Even things like marital rape weren’t outlawed until like the 90s bruh. Women’s structural, societal complaints were much deeper than worrying about whether Chad gets more pussy than Billy… Don’t compare them as if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:57 AM
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The problem starts to arise when the insecurity becomes a pathological obsession and takes over your life or starts to come from irrational places. Which I think is the case for many if not most Redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:29 AM
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Because you said it wouldn't matter what they improve because the woman will always have had better in certain categories No I didn’t say that. I’m saying that’s the type of mindset that Redpillers (and the manosphere in general) seems to have. I’m not saying that I agree with that mindset. And again I'll ask, are you stating that RP as a whole is telling women to lower their standards and give away the pussy easier instead of what I have suggested it is which is that they should lower their sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:18 AM
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Edit: RP also doesn't preach that there will always be someone better so you should give up, it does teach you will be invisible unless you are better than average however So if the majority of men are supposedly invisible… Aren’t you basically just telling them that “it’s over” for them if they aren’t Chad? What’s the difference between what you’ve said and what they’ve said?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:05 AM
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Which parts of the post are related to blackpill specifically? And Redpillers absolutely tell women to be less choosy with their pussy dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:00 AM
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This particular thread was aimed at Redpill specifically. It was never an “all men are x” or a “all women are y” type of thread bruh… It was a criticism of Redpill ideology specifically... Reading comprehension is key.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:56 AM
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And I never said it was okay for women to have insecurities and not men in the first place… I literally said neither gender should take their insecurities out on other people. How the fuck does that translate to “man bad, woman good” in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:52 AM
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Enlighten me then…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:50 AM
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Projection of what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:50 AM
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No it isn’t… It’s “stop letting your insecurities drive you towards fringe internet ideologies where you hallucinate about some hypothetical “Chad” everyday”… Might want to actually comprehend what I’m actually suggesting before going into the typical “woman bad, man good” bullshit and then projecting that on to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:44 AM
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… 😂 I have no idea what you’re even trying to say at this point bro. Have a good one I guess. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:35 AM
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This is nothing more than “Uh no, bro that doesn’t count. None of it counts. Unless it’s convenient to my argument, then it counts as Redpill. But if it’s inconvenient. It was just a ‘meme’ bro..” Cut the bullshit dude. AWALT was absolutely a core tenet of Redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:22 AM
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What happened to AWALT? Are you implying that women are in fact not all “like that”? Not very Redpill of you bro… And it is a contradiction to suggest that the average woman has a body count within the 100s while also somehow have such ridiculous standards that there are hardly any men that can meet them. No way around it… Which is it? Are women’s standards too ridiculous high to were 99% of men can’t reach them? Or are women all in some collective orgy sleeping with a new man every single night…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:57 AM
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My comment addressed all three. I was responding to the overall “body of work” rather than each individual sentence. Is that an issue? And if you’re referring to that last paragraph… It’s nonsense. It’s nothing more than “I know you are but what am I? 🤪” style projection and deflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:41 AM
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Definitely the gurus, as a well as some of the followers. There’s absolutely a contradiction of “modern women are way too picky/hypergamous😤” but also “modern women are degenerate hoes that ride the cock carousel and sleep with 100s of men per year. None of them are marriage material anymore 😤” within the Redpill. Like, which is it… Women only find 0.0001% of men attractive and they aren’t even sexual beings? Or are they “riding the cock carousel and racking up 1000s of bodies meanwhile the aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:34 AM
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I’m saying that the type of insecurities that the Redpill often feeds into are unhealthy by default. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to self-improve. But Redpill doesn’t have a monopoly on self-improvement advice. Nor do Redpill content creators usually stop at just self-improvement talk. It almost always devolves into alarmism about how no women will ever love you because you are one inch shorter than your country’s average male height lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:26 AM
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No it isn’t. It’s just not the answer that you wanted or expected. You thought I’d a give blind “man bad, woman good” answer. Because you’ve conditioned yourself to see any and all critique of Redpill ideology as some sort of “gynocentric conspiracy against men”. When in reality, I simply see the ideology for what it is. Which is simply men taking their insecurities with themselves out on the rest of society. And coming up with excuses to justify the hit that they’re bruised egos have taken upon…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 12:08 AM
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You seem to be just saying anything at this point tbh lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:53 PM
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If it's just the manifestation of a warped perception of reality, you should be able to find contradiction and make the logic fall appart. This how we debate on a debate sub. I do find contradictions within their ideology actually. I point them out all the time. Here’s an example from literally today. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/Hk1AkbZ7yE You were saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:48 PM
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I don’t think it’s okay for either gender to take their insecurities with themselves out on the other gender. I don’t think it’s okay for either gender to become paranoid and bitter due to their own insecurities with themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:42 PM
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Insecurity isn’t a mental illness lol… And I’m saying that the “ideology” (or at least portions of it) are nothing more than male insecurity manifesting itself. If that’s not challenging the ideology then what is?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 11:36 PM
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No. It’s Redpill. Was the focus of Kevin Samuels on how much men should improve themselves, or on how “delusional” women’s standards are? Is the focus of Fresh n Fit podcast on male self-improvement, or on how “Women deserve less”?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 10:32 PM
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You are in a competition, it's hopelessly naive to believe otherwise. When women make a point of making comparisons what other conclusion can you come to? You’re not in competition with her exes dude (outside of maybe some rare situations where she’s still clearly obsessed with them. But you’d be dumb to even get into a relationship with someone who clearly isn’t over their ex yet.) But in the vast majority of cases, there is no competition there bro. The exes have already lost. anything else is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 10:29 PM
-1

It’s literally not a caricature tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:51 PM
5

Where did I even say that the redpill doesn’t ever promote action? But for what it’s worth, the Redpill does seem to be moving away from those calls to action in recent years. Now it’s all “it doesn’t matter what you do because these women are too damn hypergamous anyways”…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:50 PM
3

Is it going to far to question whether she actually is attracted to you, if she's been enthusiastic to spend time with men in the past but with you she's all coy and withdrawn, comparatively. If she’s being withdrawn with you, that alone should be the issue. It’s irrelevant how she was with exes. The focus should be on her behavior with you only. If her behavior with you is satisfactory, then everything’s good. If not, either address it with her or break up. But framing things “in comparison wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:48 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:34 PM
1

Explain exactly how it’s a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:34 PM
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No. I’m not saying men should believe all women without question. But if your girl gives you an innocent compliment, and you’re mind automatically goes to things like “Am I simp compared to her exes? Am I cuck compared to her exes? Should I start being shitty to her like they were? I don’t want to lose the competition with “Chad” 😫!”, then you might have some deep-seated inner issues that need addressing. These deep-seated issues will likely follow you around and destroy any chance of you feelin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:31 PM
-1

Great perspective. But I think the insecurities stem more from an inability to let go of one’s ego tbh. If you had problems dealing with women while growing up, it’s obviously because you were unattractive in some way or other. But accepting that the issue was with you and not with women or society or whatever, requires letting go of one’s overly inflated view of themselves. But their ego simply cannot handle this, so the problem has to be all women, or all of society, etc right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:23 PM
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It’s not about “breaking through anyone’s boundaries” tho. It’s about how that kind of mindset will prevent you from ever being happy because you’re perpetually stuck inside some imaginary competition with “Chad”. A competition that you can never win because this hypothetical Chad is the closest thing to male perfection in your mind. So you’ll constantly be kicking yourself for not measuring up to that no matter how women treat you. If anything, it’s a form of self-cuckoldry really. Cucking your…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:15 PM
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I don’t think Redpill is equivalent to Feminism to begin with. At least not actual feminism. Which was about actual forms of institutional oppression. It was not merely insecure women whining about the fact that some women are prettier and more popular than others… With that being said tho, if we were talking about “internet feminism”, the type that you’d see in a dumb TikTok for example… Yes, I’m sure many of those dumb arguments are rooted insecurities as well. Oh wow, look at that. It’s actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:09 PM
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Exactly. Bro missed the actual point I was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 08:02 PM
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Is the cuckoldry justification in the room with us… I never said cuckoldry was justified. None of the examples I gave would even count as cuckoldry in reality. They are merely examples of how extreme, obsessive insecurity is holding a lot of Redpiller back from being happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 08:02 PM
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I didn’t mention anything about self-respect tho. Self/respect isn’t the same as neurotic insecurity and obsession with some imaginary cuckoldry scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:58 PM
1

How is being scared that her ex is an inch bigger, or that he hit it one day earlier related to you being “fucked over”?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:57 PM
-1

I didn’t say men couldn’t have them. Just stop blaming other people for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:55 PM
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You literally using a word wrong is the cope. Hypergamy refers specifically to comparative sexuality. Wanting someone more because they are superior to you. The hot young baddies IS superior to the ugly old loser pinning over her bruh! Thanks for proving my point. Actual hypergamy example: Woman is fine dating 5'6 guys back when she was 5'2. She suddenly has a growth spurt to 5'6 herself. She now wouldn't be caught dead dating a 5'6 guy, and instead exclusively wants guys 5'10 and up. Actual hyp…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:59 AM
1

Men like women that are only as youthful or beautiful as themselves? Or would you say that men like women that are more beautiful and youthful relative to himself? Also if being attracted to someone more physically attractive than yourself isn’t hypergamy, why are women called hypergamous for not wanting their “looksmatch”?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:52 AM
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The old crusty loser was equally attracted to young hot women back when he was a handsome 20 year old. No he wasn’t he equal to her in his 20s. He was an ugly dork even back then. Even old geezers that weren’t Chads in their youth want the young, hot, top-tier women. Despite never being top-tier in attractiveness themselves. That’s hypergamy no matter how much you try to cope or weasel your way around it. Women's attraction is relative. The taller she grows the taller her BF needs to be. The mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:31 AM
1

Men don’t like women that are more youthful or beautiful than themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:02 AM
1

Of course she can give women advice. And maybe even attempt to give men advice from a woman’s perspective I guess. I’m just not sure how much that would actually help the man in question. And you’re making the mistake of assuming that the recipient of something is an expert of creating said thing. (Which isn’t true.) It’s like assuming that every rap music fan knows the exact formula to create hit rap records. They usually don’t. They just know how to identify the finished product. It’s the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:38 PM
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This is like a woman telling other women not to go to the gynecologist all because men don’t have to… Or a woman telling other women not to learn how to do their makeup and dress fashionably, all because a lot of men don’t necessarily do those things… Ridiculous… Men and women are different, have different social roles, expectations, and mating strategies within society, and have different paths towards romantic success in life. That’s just reality. A heterosexual man expecting to find success b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:43 PM
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I hear what you’re saying, and it’s all pretty agreeable… But, there’s one major issue. Most women don’t date women (and the few that do aren’t doing so from the perspective of a man). So there’s really no real chance of them ever having a genuine understanding (or solutions) for the unique challenges that a heterosexual male may face in terms of dating. And even less chance of them giving men those solutions if they don’t conform to her likely female-biased perception of the world anyways. It’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:16 PM
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I did, you weirdo… You’re simply confusing the term “immutable” with “physical attraction”. Which aren’t the same thing as I already explained. Not all physical features are immutable tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:31 AM
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“Immutable” doesn’t simply mean physical attractiveness tho. Immutable here simply means “unchangeable”. Yes us guys are highly attracted to physical appearance but, a lot of women’s physical appearance can be either enhanced or downright altered these days. From things like facial plastic surgery, BBLs, boob jobs, hair color, etc. There aren’t many traits that us men attracted to that “she either has it or she doesn’t”. Meanwhile this is less true for the things that women are attracted to. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 06:28 AM
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I don’t really disagree much, but I do think it’s worth pointing out that when people speak about “hypergamy” in the manosphere, they’re usually referring to more than just financial status exclusively. Guys will often throw around terms like “looksmatch” or “Chad chasing” for example. Guys will talk about women rate 80% of men as ugly an dating apps for example. And so the modern, Redpill definition of hypergamy definitely extends beyond money alone. And when you take that into account, you’ll …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 10:57 PM
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Interesting points, I’ll give you that. I can agree that there’s a myth being pushed that men are “perfectly happy” to settle with mediocre women. And I agree that this probably isn’t really true. But I basically said that from the beginning that us men are a bit more hypergamous than we often wanna admit. So I guess the only thing we disagree on is that men are just as hypergamous as women. I’m still not sure I buy that. But we can agree to disagree there I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 09:35 PM
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How can you prove that our standards are being “artificially” lowered (for lack of better terms), as opposed to just being naturally lower than women’s? That’s the million dollar question here I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 09:22 PM
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How do you explain that infamous data chart where the women literally rated the men along the Pareto Principle (80/20), yet the men didn’t rate the women that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 09:10 PM
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It’s more so the fact that men experience the Coolidge effect much more so than women. Suggesting that men are far more interested in sexual variety than women are. That alone puts a crack in your “men and women’s sexualities are identical” argument. Also is doesn’t matter much why men have less immutable preferences or why we want women more than the reverse. It only matters that we obviously do. Because that further disproves the idea that the two sexes operate the exact same way. But like I s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 09:06 PM
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I do agree that both genders are hypergamous to a certain degree (and a lot of guys are in denial about this), but, It probably isn’t to the exact same extent as women. When you account for the differences in libido, the fact that men seem to have less “immutable preferences” (preferences for things that cannot be changed such as height), and the fact that we exhibit things like the “Coolidge effect” at higher rates than women… It’s nearly impossible to seriously argue that men and women are att…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 08:41 PM
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It’s not common outside of celebrity men who are the exception to the rule anyway. It’s not realistic to think the a 22 year old, attractive woman in her prime is genuinely attracted to an out of shape, broke, old/crusty geezer that’s 15 years older than her. That’s not real life. You’d have to be someone that is either rich/famous or a guy that looks like Henry Cavill at 30. The average 40 year old, fat geezer with high cholesterol and back problems isn’t going to inspire any real lust in a you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 09:32 AM
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As someone that used to be very Redpilled (and knows the contents of it extremely well) there actually is that much within the Redpill that will teach you to “dominate” anyone psychologically lol. I mean… At most there’s like… “Dread game” and maybe “negging”, but… That’s really it. And even those two things are hardly what most people would call “dominating” someone 😂. That type shit won’t even work on every women to begin with. And even the few it does work on, aren’t really being “dominated”.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:00 PM
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No where in the post does it state that this question only applies to western women or exclusively to women on PPD, “Sherlock”… The OP simply asks how women can be both oppressed and hypergamous… To which I explained that even if women are attracted to men with more money or whatever, they can still be oppressed in terms of not having the same rights or the ability to choose which higher earning men they end up with. So there’s no actual “gotcha” here (which is clearly what OP was fishing for wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 10:17 AM
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The world is bigger than the USA my friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:50 AM
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The oppression part was them literally not having as much rights as men and not even having a choice in who they marry etc… It’s pretty obvious how they were oppressed bruh, don’t overthink it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:22 AM
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Guys like this don’t really need any help dating realistically. Which makes me side-eye this post more than anything else honestly. Reddit is well known for it’s severe larping epidemic after all… But regardless, if a guy is still struggling with stats like these… Either he legitimately a has shit personality for real, or he’s just downright ugly as fuck. So my advice would be either “fix your personality” unironically. Or use some of those millions to book a plastic surgery appointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 08:26 PM
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Where’s the hostility/jealousy? It seems like they’re just saying that the girl doesn’t put out on the first date. Which does seem to be what she’s saying from the sound of things. Also how do you even know they are bluepilled for that matter? I mean it’s not like Redpillers are known for their bright and cheery demeanor bruh… 😂. So this thread is kind of ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 05:19 AM
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Sounds like wishful thinking bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:43 AM
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You’re not wrong tbh. But the way you wrote this was kind of over the top or creepy-pasta like lol. Also I do think us guys might still be a little bit more horny, but the gap isn’t very big in terms of behavior when women are actually aroused. You’re right about that. It’s always weird when the “women aren’t even sexual beings” guys start yapping about that nonsense lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:46 PM
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In terms of maintaining a relationship, yeah. But having high LMS makes you more likely to get into relationships in the first place, so it’s debatable in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:10 PM
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It’s likely a mix of genuine fear, as well as just pure disgust for ugly men like you’re suggesting bro. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. But would you really feel any better if women played along with your conspiracy and just said “yeah, it’s only just cause you’re ugly”? Would that really be a “win” for you? What are you even fighting for here bro lmao…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:32 AM
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Let me spell it out for you brother…. The average woman’s height is 5’4… Women are most happy with a man that is 8 inches taller than herself. Which would be a man that is 5’11… Aka a man that is taller than most men statistically. —————— And like I said… The main reason women settle for men shorter than that is likely due to them simply not being able to secure a relationship with the taller men. This is evidenced by the following revelation found in a 1997 study : “When women commit infidelity…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:27 AM
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Is it actually changing tho? Or are women simply no longer forced to be “submissive” to men they aren’t actually attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:12 AM
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If the instinct is so strong why arent they all with the tall men? Most men are average and most men date right? So where is the disconnect? Not enough super-tall men to go around. Simple math my guy. Also, the vast majority of women literally are in relationships with men significantly taller than themselves…. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020 Its the mans wife having sex with another person. A child is nowhere in the definition of it https://en.m.wikipedia…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:09 AM
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They’re still largely submissive in bed… And they’re still somewhat submissive outside of the bedroom for the right guys. It’s just that a lot of guys have an unrealistic view of what “submissiveness” is supposed to even look like. She’s not being “non-submissive” just because she’s not acting like a lifeless robot that only takes orders.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:05 AM
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Well, it wouldn’t matter if they go for less threatening guys anyways. If they aren’t viscerally attracted to the guy, the relationship is going to be shit anyways. Why would you want either gender to be trapped in a relationship where there isn’t any chemistry? That sounds like a recipe for disaster bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:02 AM
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Being neutralised from threats by other men was more in older days having less law and order. And that’s the exact period over which most of human sexual instincts evolved. You’re proving my point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:58 AM
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I never claimed anything of the sort. But you’d be an idiot to think that in order for something to be “reasonable” it has to be “perfect” without flaw… Which is what you’re essentially implying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:57 AM
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Women aren’t overwhelmingly drawn to tall, strong men? Get real dude… Also paternity testing makes it so that you can’t be “cucked” into raising another man’s child to begin with. Which is what cuckoldry is… What are you even arguing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:54 AM
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I already addressed this argument. (In another comment) I think IPV (intimate partner violence) is only more prevalent because women often tend to choose strong men that protect them from other men. The threat of the other men are neutralized, but not the threat from her partner himself. So it’s probably a bit of a “rob Peter to pay Paul” type of situation. Double-edged sword I guess. Also you have to take into account that our instincts were formed over millions of years of evolution. Most of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:50 AM
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Bad take on your end bro… Our sexual instincts and inclinations weren’t formed on “2024 logic” bruh… They were formed based on the millions of years of evolution that took place before either of us were born. For most of that time, protection was literally a “life of death” decision. So of course those instincts are still present in modern women today. Just as guys still fear being cucked despite us being in an era that has paternity testing. Some things are just deeply imbedded within us. And n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:42 AM
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I think IPV is only more prevalent because women often tend to choose strong men that protect them from other men. The threat of the other men are neutralized, but not the threat from her partner himself. So it’s probably a bit of a “rob Peter to pay Paul” type of situation. Double-edged sword I guess. Edit : Also don’t overlook the fact that the strong man could potentially create a strong son to protect her down the line as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:35 AM
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I mean, you could always “cheat back” I guess lol. Also I think you’re being a bit over-dramatic about how indifferent people are to cheaters. The stigma may not be as strong as it used to be, but people still look down on it a lot. But the reality is, if you aren’t willing to divorce, then very few bad behaviors get “punished” by your definition anyways. I won’t say that you have to accept cheating, but either get your own little “sneaky link” or just get the divorce lol. You can’t control how …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:31 AM
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The weaker men wouldn’t be able to protect them from the 6ft men tho.. (For most of human history anyways) So it actually makes more sense that if women are afraid of men, they’d seek out big, strong protectors as they’re partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:21 AM
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Your logic makes zero sense tbh. It’s the fact that women are afraid of men that compels them to seek out big strong men to protect them (from the other men) in the first place. Why would a woman who’s afraid of men seek to date a weak, effeminate men that likely wouldn’t be able to protect them from other men anyways? You guys try too hard to wrap women up in to some type of weird “gotcha” and it ends up causing you to come off weird and incoherent as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:19 AM
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Are you slow by any chance? Expecting someone to settle down right out of highschool (at an age where even most of the men around her aren’t even willing to settle down) is terminally online delusion. Newsflash, the 1950s are never coming back bruh. Get over it. Hardly anyone is trying to “settle down” before they’ve even reached the age where they can legally drink dude… And that wasn’t even really my point anyways. My point was that dumb incels expect a girl to “settle down” and date a mediocr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:09 AM
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🍿🍿🍿.. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:07 PM
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It’s not so much “just accept the punishment” tho… There is no “punishment” here to begin with. Just women that have a view of men that’s based on our collective behavior throughout history. So of course there going to be somewhat apprehensive of the group that has historically oppressed them. Guys are too sensitive these days if all it takes is a few “girl power, men are trash” statement to make you feel as if you’re being abused or whatever…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 12:21 AM
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I’m saying the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:17 PM
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I’m not a liberal. Just not delusional or in denial about reality either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 07:42 AM
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Do you really think women will buy the narrative that men aren’t oppressors when that’s literally the first thing that men advocate for when they feel “disenfranchised”? Isn’t there that saying that you find out who someone really is when their back’s against the wall… You can try to excuse it all you want but women are still paying attention to that type of bullshit whether you like it or not. And they’re forming their opinions of most men accordingly. This is where a large portion of guys migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 07:18 AM
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You think racial discrimination stopped 100 years ago? You think systemic racism isn’t embedded in our society to this day? If you actually believe that, you clearly aren’t well versed enough in reality to even be having these types of conversations tbh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 07:03 AM
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Because when a woman say “men bad” she usually means “as a collective”. Not necessarily that every single individual male is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:58 AM
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You can’t just hand-wave away men’s behavior in other countries just because it’s inconvenient to your impotent rage. Especially when the behavior of those men is still coloring women’s overall view of men regardless. And did you miss the part where I pointed out that even some young men today idolize that era and advocate for it to return? So you can’t just run away from the argument by saying “that’s non-western men, they don’t count😩”. You aren’t arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:57 AM
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African Americans still experience the ramifications of that era to this day (several promising black-owned businesses were destroyed/forcibly shut down, neighborhoods were flooded with drugs in an attempt to destabilize them, land rightfully owned by black people was illegally seized etc.) Which means that even young black people today have been set back heavily in terms of generational wealth and neighborhood stability. You chose a horrible example to try and argue what you’re trying to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:52 AM
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You may not think “sins of the father” is a valid reason for resentment, but many people do. Plus, you can’t really argue that it’s merely “sins of the father” when not only do you have men in certain parts of the world still forcing burkas on women and committing “honor killings”… But you even have men in this generation calling the patriarchy “based” and saying we should bring it back…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:48 AM
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No. It’s because historically, women were oppressed. By men… And so now women view men in general as oppressors. Which makes sense whether you like it or not because… There are places in the world where women are still oppressed by men to this day… It’s that simple really.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:27 AM
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Then why should we not feel bitter Because… Men historically have had greater power than women. And with greater power comes greater responsibility (and expectations). Are you bitter about CEOs have greater expectations for their managers than they do the lower employees?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:20 AM
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I agree. But there might be certain truths that people never willingly accept. And things like this are probably a good example of that. But you’re right. And this is where a lot of guys trip over their own logic anyways. Because they will say things like “women should stop chasing Chads and settle for their Looksmatch”… But then when 8/10 Becky “hits the wall” and becomes a 5/10, they get mad when she’s now ready to settle down with that 5/10 guy she rejected in her youth. Which is ironic becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:16 AM
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Any vitriol us men may experience in mainstream culture is just a reaction to the historical atrocities that men (as a collective) have committed towards women. (Some of that oppression still persists to this day in certain cultures). Therefore, there’s nothing you can really do to subvert this. It’s based on history. Only once a enough time has passed and the “patriarchy” is just a distant memory will women/society start to view men in a completely different light. My advice is to develop thick…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:08 AM
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Couldn’t your post itself be considered a “thought-stopping cliche”? In the sense that, you are using it to not even consider the possibility that you may in fact just be entitled? You are “thought-stopping” yourself from considering any other position than “society is using some convoluted language conspiracy to silence me”. So you’re literally projecting and doing the thing you’re accusing others of. Which makes it hard to take posts like this seriously tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 06:13 PM
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If you already had no trouble pulling “non-hooker” 18 year olds, you wouldn’t even need to be online trying to beg young women to give your old dick a chance bruh… So cut the larp fantasy bullshit dude. 😄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 05:35 PM
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They abstain from sex they there is a low chance of them enjoying. Why do you think women’s standards are so much higher than men’s for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:40 PM
4

Exactly. This same logic applies to the “bad sex vs. no sex” discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:29 PM
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The hypothetical is that you’re taking on “a woman’s dating struggles” bruh… So no, you don’t get to conveniently hang on to your current male strength/security. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:23 PM
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Is it better to have a horrible experience nearly every time you go to the club, or to just never go to the club and have to do something else instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:20 PM
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You’re basically making a “bad sex is better than no sex” argument. But I’m not sure many people would agree with that in reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:12 PM
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You won’t have those “physical advantages” anymore because that’s literally part of a woman’s struggles bruh. You’ll be weaker than at least 50% of the population (the violent 50%) by default. You can’t try to cling to the advantages of being male while still claiming you’d happily take on a woman’s challenges.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 08:09 PM
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Good arguments tbh. I guess it depends on how you weigh each gender’s specific challenges against each other. But I wouldn’t be opposed to viewing it as a “tie” in terms of difficulty. Each gender has significant challenges that come along with dating. I can agree with you there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:26 PM
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You’re not actually competing for the ability to even get access to any sex at all tho. (or to even pass on your genes at all in reality.) Meanwhile men are. Those things are almost guaranteed for the vast majority of women. Women merely compete for access to the best/highest quality men. But you’re not actually competing for access to sex in general (alongside also competing for the best women) like men are. It’s a different game. But I’m not denying that it probably feels very intense at times…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:20 PM
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To a much lesser extent. but yeah, that’s true too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:56 PM
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If women can get the type of men she desires, her standards aren’t “unrealistic” just because you consider them too high. And likewise, if she can’t get that man, that’s her problem to deal with. But you incessantly telling her that you feel her standards are too high won’t suddenly make her attracted to you. It does nothing for you, other than waste your time and energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:55 PM
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I have came to this conclusion and said it before here as well. But you shouldn’t be surprised or shocked that such an idea will upset some people. Regardless of the fact that it’s likely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 04:51 PM
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Except I’m not justifying anything. OP is trying to push some shitty narrative that society is inherently biased towards women. One look at a history book disproves this dumb claim. And even if you want to say “well it is now”, no the fuck it’s not. At no point in history have men ever actually been collectively oppressed by women. You guys are just ultra soft and sensitive these days so you get butthurt over stupid shit like the man vs bear thing. Some of you guys are extremely whiny, miserable…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 03:56 PM
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There’s nothing “dog water” about dismantling the dumb narrative that society has never collectively been biased towards men. My point was that members of both genders collectivize the positive traits associated with their gender while downplaying and individualizing the negative traits. It’s not some “anti-man conspiracy”. You guys got to realize that this whiny “perpetual victim” complex is woman-repellent. Of course you’re gonna struggle with women when you’re the type of person who clings to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:33 AM
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Your response makes no sense. There were times in history when even lower class men were given more autonomy and power than women. You’re just grasping at straws at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:29 AM
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It’s not about “gender revenge” or whatever. It’s just a reality check. The thing that you guys are bitching about is something men do as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:27 AM
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Have you never come across an incel that believes their entitled to things because “men built society😤”? Those same guys will then turn around and say “why are you grouping all men together😒” when arguing with a feminist on various topics… Guys take collective ownership of “building society” while privatizing the harassment or weirdness displayed towards women. You guys are merely whining and crying about a behavior that men are just as guilty of.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:26 AM
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Doesn’t the fact that men were historically propped up at the expense of women undermine your little theory that society is never “yay men” in comparison to women? That’s the reason I brought it up. You’d have to be straight up delusional to think that society is never “yay men”… It’s like a racist looking around at the current world and saying “how come society never applauds white people for being successful or overcoming the odds. 😩”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 11:02 PM
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Most of human culture throughout history was “yay men” at the expense of women bruh. In fact, I suspect that if there’s a push to be all “yay women” in this modern era, it’s only to make up for female oppression in the past. If you can’t handle something as small as a few “yay women” moments today, imagine being born a woman in the Middle East or in the 1800s. You’re complaining about basically nothing in comparison to the bias that women faced for most of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 10:45 PM
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No, what I’m saying is that everyone does this when describing other groups at times. It’s not some sinister conspiracy against men. Men do this to women as well. Men do it to other men, women do it to other women. Everyone does this sort of thing. It’s not something that exclusively happens to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 10:16 PM
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Most people collectivize or individualize other groups based on what’s convenient at the moment. Sure, some do it more than others, but we’re all guilty of this at times. Have you never come across an incel that believes their entitled to things because “men built society😤”? Those same guys will then turn around and say “why are you grouping all men together😒” when arguing with a feminist on various topics… So even men collectivize other men’s positive attributes when they want to put women down…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 08:22 PM
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Well, actual research on testosterone shows that it has a highly dynamic effect on men’s personality. Promoting both antisocial and pro-social behaviors depending on the situation and the man’s goals. While High T definitely can make you more of a hothead at times, it also make you more driven to cooperate or protect your allies and loved ones at other times. The issue is that both Red and bluepillers tend to over-simplify High-T men down to one silly caricature that’s either always a raging ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:51 PM
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Better grab a seat because this will take a few minutes to explain… But in a nutshell, it’s because : It flys in the face of “just world fallacy” and all of the fluffy delusions we tell ourselves to shield ourselves from the harsh nature of life on Earth. Because the underlying subtext of RP is that things like power, “toxic” masculinity and luck are sexually rewarded by women much more than things like altruism, kindness, or vulnerability. These are tough pills to swallow and would upset people…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 05:15 PM
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This again? Wasn’t this already posted?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 04:57 PM
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We don’t need you ladies to wear make-up in order for us to find you attractive. (Tho it helps obviously). And you can’t basically charge someone for something that you’re claiming to do of your own free will. You have to either admit that you’re doing it for the male gaze (therefore men should pay for it), or admit that you were wrong before about doing it on men’s behalf. Also, I don’t know why people never consider the possibility that women do it both for men and themselves. That’s most like…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:44 AM
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But if you did, would you be judged the same way a man would? I think you’re missing the bigger point I was making… Who do you think would face more stigma for crying in that situation tho? Be honest with yourself and stop with the delusional “there’s no difference in how men and women are perceived” nonsense. That isn’t real life. That’s fake Reddit bs. In the real world there is way more stigma against a man crying vs. a woman crying. Regardless of the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 10:00 PM
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There will always be a harsher stigma against men crying, that’s just reality. But I agree that there are a few scenarios where people might cut him a bit more slack than they normally would. But regardless, take that “condescending look” people give you and amplify by like a 100x and you’d have the stigma that a man would face from crying over something minor lol. Women will never get called things like “pussy” or “soft” for expressing vulnerability. There’s isn’t even a female equivalent of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 09:57 PM
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But if you did, would you be judged the same way a man would? I think you’re missing the bigger point I was making…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 09:37 PM
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Because there’s a much greater embarrassment associated with male vulnerability than there is with female vulnerability. So women can’t be “shamed” or humiliated with having their vulnerabilities exposed like a man can. It’s like how if a woman broke a nail and cried over it, she’d just be seen as normal woman having an emotional reaction. But if a man chipped his nail and started crying, he’d be considered soft of weak, right? Men are expected to be less emotional/vulnerable than women are (bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 08:04 PM
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They aren’t necessarily “disconnected from society” just because they started dating a bit later than their teen years tho. You could argue that as lifespans in general have gotten longer, humans have taken their time getting to milestones that the previous generations had to rush to. You do realize there’s was a time in history where even being in school past age 13 was considered unusual, right? But things change and we adjust to new norms all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:49 PM
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Interesting… But I’m not completely sold on the idea that not dating in your teen years is some make or break milestone that is going to destroy society if not addressed. If that’s what’s being implied here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:24 PM
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I don’t think most women care whether a man is willing to cry in front of them, no. Especially not enough for the average woman to consider it a deal-breaker in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:59 PM
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Speak for yourself on the “homosocial” thing buddy… The amount of self-reporting on subs like this (from either gender) is astounding… 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:27 AM
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lol. To be fair tho, a lot of those “requirements” are really just the same shit written in a different way lmao. And some of those things are shit that most women don’t care about at all (“not afraid to cry in front of us” for example… 😂) You could probably boil this list down to like 10-15 items max if you take all of that into account. Maybe even less than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 07:02 AM
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You made ad hominems first by calling people “nerds” or whatever because they don’t agree with you. So you should stop projecting and ask yourself the same question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 05:07 PM
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And I think you’re just a butthurt nerd that can’t admit he was wrong here. 😂… And imagine calling some a nerd while going on about your little “linguistic background” in the comment above. If only you had a background in “self-awareness”…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:42 PM
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Because you’re merely confusing the concept of “legal entitlement” with the concept of “feeling entitled to something that you actually aren’t entitled to”. That second concept is the one people are using when they call incels “entitled”. And yes, that version of the word is always a negative thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:06 PM
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/entitled You were saying? That definition is a lot closer to mine than it is to yours buddy boy… Also, your shitty definition of the word “entitled” doesn’t actually even contradict what I said. You just oversimplified it to the point where your definition lacks any real nuance or proper understanding of the concept honestly. You likely aren’t even using the correct definition here. You’re confusing the concept of being “legally entitled” to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:56 PM
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No, I view it as a negative thing because it is one. If I were a “people pleaser” wouldn’t I be more accommodating to OP (and your) warped view of things here? Wouldn’t I be saying “yeah, yeah, it’s okay OP, being an entitled crybaby whining about shit not going your way is totally valid🙃” like you seem to be doing? Your comments here make no sense tbh. You’re likely just triggered because you know that what I said initially about entitlement describes you honestly…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:45 PM
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I’m very sorry if certain realities of life upset either you or OP, but nothing I said was untrue bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:32 PM
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“Wanting something” is merely desiring a thing while understanding that you aren’t owed it and that you not getting it isn’t some grand injustice that you get to be angry at the world about. “Entitlement” is the opposite of the above.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:24 PM
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Try your best and live with the results just like everyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:09 PM
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They’re aren’t useful even to his hypothetical daughter. Most models are tall as fuck and “thick”, athletic women turn more heads than skinny, frail women with no curves. Those traits are merely tolerated in women a bit more because women aren’t expected to be physically strong. Because of sexual dimorphism… You’re not understanding that traits like height are sexually dimorphic. A tall, masculine man can still have short, skinny daughters because women’s shorter height and weight come from thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 03:49 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism Just click that link for your answer OP… Just because traits are desirable (or merely tolerated) in one gender doesn’t mean they are desirable/tolerated within the other. A man that’s built like a woman is especially unattractive because it might indicate some sort of developmental issue such as “Klinefelter syndrome”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 03:33 AM
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The older studies likely had inferior testing practices and methodology issues… I’d trust the newer ones more personally. But regardless, it seems like you get what I’m saying now because you stated it here : If you’re butt ugly you won’t get the chance to state your case… Exactly. Therefore, we can concede that looks > personality in triggering arousal in women. You can even see this in pop culture bro… Way more women express excitement and arousal towards guys like Henry Cavill and Michael B. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:25 AM
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They are the two biggest factors in triggering female attraction dude. You won’t even have a chance to show off how supposedly “charming” your personality is if she thinks you’re too hideous (or a loser) and doesn’t wanna talk to you to begin with… Use your brain bruh. And it’s seems you might wanna do a bit more grass touching yourself if you’re naive enough to think that neither your looks nor your status influence how funny/charming she finds you in the first place… https://nationalpost.com/h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 03:41 AM
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… You didn’t read the 2nd half of my comment did you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 03:32 AM
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“Looks and money” are probably the two biggest triggers of female attraction, yeah. (I don’t know why this is so scary or crushing for most guys to learn.) But they obviously aren’t the only two factors. Most men don’t have a whole lot of looks or money and yet many still do okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 02:47 AM
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Not to the extreme degree that some of the posts in this subreddit do, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 02:44 AM
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I don’t really understand the point of posts like this tbh. Yeah, women like providers and men who excel in competitive fields (such as work environments for example). It’s likely hard wired and is simply the product of evolution rewarding those type of preferences. There’s nothing that can be done about it. Women were “born that way” in a sense. It makes perfect sense if you actually have the ability to step outside of your own ego and acknowledge what makes sense from an evolutionary fitness s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 04:21 AM
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Wow, that’s crazy. Someone should make a movie like that!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:46 PM
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Not really… but okay. 👍 Call me crazy but… I’m sensing an unnecessary level of snark in your comments tbh. Do you think I was trying to insult you or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 10:08 PM
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Of course. I just find it funny how this type of answer is both extremely vague yet extremely complete at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 09:48 PM
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You could give this answer on pretty much every question in this sub and you’d probably be right lol. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 09:25 PM
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As much as I side eye RP content creators these days… I think you might be off the mark on this one tbh. Guys like Myron do date submissive, docile women (he’s literally dating one right now named Angie…) Have you ever considered that Pearl is the one keeping herself single? I’m sure there are definitely guys that would wife her if she wanted that to happen. How many “pick-me” women, like Pearl are there to begin with? Even most women make fun of her from what I’ve seen. It’s not exactly a popul…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:09 AM
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The demand for safety and respecting boundaries isn’t even a gendered thing dude… Even men want other men to respect their physical boundaries. This “gender war” bullshit might be rotting your brain tbh. Take a break from it every now and then. Secondly, there are certain levels of respect that all humans deserve and safety from violence is one of them. You can’t be “entitled” to something that is your god-given right to begin with. Relationships on the other hand aren’t a god-given right. They’…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 09:39 PM
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That’s kind of how I interpreted it as well. Plus, guys need to stop being so goddamn sensitive and just accept that women aren’t particularly as found of random male strangers as we are of being around female strangers. It’s really not as deep as some of these guys are making it tbh. The outrage over it is “terminally online” behavior tbh. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:58 PM
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I agree with you on the “man up” phrase. But “boys will be boys” is somewhat tainted because idiots use it as a dumb attempt to excuse what is actually just loser-creep behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:54 PM
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Alright fine god damnit! 🤬…😂 You win. It was really just a joke and not even something I thought too deeply about. But I’m man enough to admit when I’m wrong about something so whatever. You got it. I admit defeat here lol. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:20 AM
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It was more of an off-hand joke that I didn’t think too hard about folks. It’s not something that needs to be taken too seriously in my opinion…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:38 PM
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Lol you know what I meant I’m sure… 60 isn’t an unusual age to die at is all I’m saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 11:32 PM
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According to men… 😳🤦‍♂️… No, according to certain men. I don’t believe that 30 is some type of magical age number where women become old and crusty overnight. Different people decline in terms of looks at different ages. And some women will never hit the wall until they’re like 60 with one foot in the grave lol. Because the truth is, Rihanna’s 36 is hotter than most people’s 21. Women like Rihanna will still be out of most men’s league even at 45 years old.. So the wall is highly exaggerated as …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:59 PM
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It’s more so just proof that humans aren’t monogamous animals and even being with the best of the best won’t satisfy someone’s urge for sexual variety. Which is why judging your worth based on how faithful your partner is doesn’t work and is kind of dumb tbh. A person cheating on you doesn’t actually mean you’re faulty in some way. Humans are just sluts in general in my opinion. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:13 PM
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And look what happened… People rebelled against that culture for a reason. I don’t know why you think the same wouldn’t happen again.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:59 PM
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You’ll be heartbroken once the 7-foot terminator bodyguard robots drop and women start walking around with those things protecting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:09 PM
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Men are dangerous to women because we’re typically more powerful… Therefore she’d need a man (who’s obviously gonna be closer to other men in terms of power) to protect her from the other men. There’s no gotcha there bro. That makes perfect sense and doesn’t imply any sort of hypocrisy. Which is what you seem to be pretending it does.. But that’s clearly just wishful thinking on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:07 PM
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Exactly. A lot of guys are completely overreacting to the whole thing tbh… But I think it’s because it’s a wake up to a lot of guys that didn’t really realize how uncomfortable the presence of male strangers makes women. Some men really walk around foolishly thinking women view men the exact same way men view women. But videos like that show that this usually isn’t the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:56 PM
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What do you mean? I make generalizations about both genders tbh. 😂. But only because most of us aren’t all that unique in our behaviors. I have no issue with generalizing so long as the generalization is at least mostly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:45 PM
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I wouldn’t say that those content creators “aren’t Redpill” at all per se… But watching Fresh n Fit and thinking you fully understand what Redpill is all about is like watching “Judge Judy” and thinking it perfectly represents real life court hearings. 😂… In reality it’s a very bastardized, over-the-top farce that’s meant to be entertainment and make its creators money. Not perfectly represent real-life legal proceedings. This same thing applies to FnF in my opinion. It’s a bastardized version o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 09:00 AM
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I’d say it’s more so the “revelation” that personality isn’t nearly as important as society once naively believed. It’s not that it doesn’t matter at all tho. It just isn’t nearly as important as other more deterministic traits such as genetics, success, status, dominance etc. Ultimately it’s just the realization that women’s vaginas don’t operate on some magical moral code where you get pussy just for being the good lil wimp that society pressured you into becoming. Sex is a competition (especi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 08:53 AM
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The Redpill existed way before these modern grifters bruh… So no, they don’t represent Redpill as a whole. Just because you want to believe that so you can justify some irrational generalization you’ve made about millions of men doesn’t actually make what you’re saying factual. It’s like saying Bernie Madoff represents what investment banking is all about 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 08:44 AM
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Do you really think a person with “severe mental illness” will be capable of entering a healthy, functional relationship anyways? We have to be realistic about certain things my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:54 AM
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Your post started off very interesting and sensible enough… Only to accidentally slip off the ledge and collapse into insanity by time you reached the final sentence😆. I’m not sure what to make of this post tbh, but thanks for laugh I guess… lmao. Regarding the first half, I don’t think that this supposed loss of status is the primary cause of the decline in testosterone among men. But it probably is a contributing factor, I’ll give you that much. But this is likely only a temporary issue becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 04:48 AM
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One lyric from one song doesn’t actually indicate that men and women are equally interested in receiving love letter and roses. Ridiculous argument… Also I’m saying which gender is more interested in consuming romantic media… So naming a few random writers (the most famous of which, Shakespeare, is actually rumored to have been a woman ironically 😂) doesn’t disprove that women are generally more interested in consuming romantic media. Do you know what the term “chick flick” means? Why are almost…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:13 PM
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Oxytocin is the “love hormone” that makes us interested in romance to begin with. Women have naturally higher levels of oxytocin than men. Even on a purely biological basis, women are the more romantic gender dude. Get over it. You’re just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:04 PM
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No. If you’re doing something out of obligation, that doesn’t make you a genuinely generous person. If a woman begs her man to donate to charity, and he begrudgingly does so to stop her nagging, which one actually cares more about giving money to the charity? And before you say, “why can’t she give money herself” let’s assume she has. But her husband is the breadwinner in the relationship who is capable of giving a lot more… Which person is more interested in the helping the charity in that scen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:00 PM
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Do women never make a romantic dinner from scratch for their husbands? Do women never give their husbands back rubs or foot massages? Do women never go hunting for that one sexy outfit/lingerie that they’re husband said was his biggest fantasy? Do women never push for the couple to do something romantic or exciting for the couple’s anniversary? Do women never buy their partners gifts? Do women never send romantic texts to their partners in the middle of work?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:50 PM
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Women do put effort in to romantic gestures. But men are typically the providers in most relationships traditionally so romantic gestures related to providing specifically usually fall on the man. This includes things such as fancy dinners and jewelry for example. Expecting men and women to display romance in the exact same manner is about as dumb as wondering why the guy does more of the heavy lifting when the couple is moving to a new place… Men and woman are different and different things are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:44 PM
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You’re comparing apples to oranges. Being more interested in money may not make you rich, but being more interested in romance literally does suggest that you are more romantic in nature dude… Both of those statements can be true. Your own logic falls apart because the argument you’re trying to make can be used against you. If a man takes a woman out on Valentines Day, but he only did so because he’s knows that his girl would be upset if he didn’t, that doesn’t make him the romantic one. He’s do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:32 PM
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It’s more so because women are just more adamant and interested in romantic gestures in general bruh. Which gender fantasizes about receiving red roses and a poetic love letter on a random weekday? Which gender is more interested in love stories and romantic comedies in media? Which gender gossips more (gossip is an indicator of interest) about who’s hooking up with who and all of that? Which gender makes a bigger deal out of things like Valentine’s Day or their anniversary? The reasoning behind…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:14 PM
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Incorrect. They literally tested this exact scenario and found that when women were in an environment where all the men were attractive, the women were way more receptive to being with more of men. This destroys this delusional notion that female pickiness is the issue. In reality, it’s simply that too many unattractive men that got to procreate only due to women being economically shackled and nothing else. These men would have never been selected otherwise. And now that women are no longer eco…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:37 AM
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Sometimes it was from war, sometimes from harems. The result were the same regardless. You’re only just further proving the point that it wasn’t uncommon for some men to be completely “out of the game” in terms of mating. Whether it was due to other men, or due to women’s selectivity, it still suggests the same thing either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:23 AM
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If it wasn’t the natural rate, it wouldn’t be naturally manifesting itself in the first place, right? It was the previous eras that were unnatural and had an artificially inflated amount of marriages due to women not having economic opportunities… That was never going to last in reality tho. As more advanced societies almost always lean towards more individual liberties and autonomy for its citizens. Besides. The “problem” is largely self correcting. If mating is dominated by attractive men, fut…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:04 AM
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It’s natural that some men and women will get together and have babies. Not all. And don’t think for a second that an equal amount of men and women are somehow guaranteed to procreate in any generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:36 AM
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Yes it is. The majority of men that have ever existed failed to pass on their genes. And in most mammalian species, a minority of males sire most of the children. 50% of people being male doesn’t imply anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 07:47 AM
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I think “where we go from here” is just the simple acceptance and normalization of the fact that relationships and romance are rarer and less guaranteed than previous generations were led to believe. In the future, long-term sexual relationships will probably be viewed more realistically. A big part of the issue here is that some people grew up expecting that “everyone gets into relationships/married”. But that was never natural or sustainable. And if people understand that going forward, there …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 06:47 AM
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And yet there’s no “female loneliness epidemic” in sight. I genuinely believe that women don’t mind being single/celibate as much as us men. A lot of men fear this thought tho because they know if women can live without a male partner just fine, then some men really have no bargaining chips left in this “culture war” around dating. So a lot of guys cling to the idea that women are just as fearful of not finding a partner as men. But that may not be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 05:59 AM
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Yep. This the answer OP is looking for. Women are just conditioned to be “polite” on the subject of looks. Especially because a lot of guys get butthurt when told they are unattractive. So most women subconsciously learn to just “play it safe” instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 07:24 AM
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He’s not an expert on evolution or biology genius… His words don’t invalid settled science on the issue. And he ended up being wrong on the issue in the end anyways. You’re only desperately clinging to that dumb, unscientific quote because it’s what you desperately want to be true. But it isn’t and he isn’t an authority on the science of human mating. Your “evidence” is laughably pathetic if that’s the only quote you’re basing your entire theory on. And no, it’s not basic biology that our person…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:16 AM
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“Blank slate” theory has been debunked bruh… https://mensa.org.uk/are-human-beings-blank-slates/#:~:text=However%2C%20modern%20psychologists%20and%20neurologists,%2C%20neural%2C%20and%20genetic%20sciences. So no… Most of our behavior is not due to “nuture”. We’re actually far more “nature” than “nurture” in reality. Like I said, you aren’t as knowledgeable on these subjects as you seem to think you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:01 AM
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Or… You’d go into “denial mode” and reject certain biological realities entirely…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:56 AM
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I did read it. It’s unscientific drivel by someone that thinks they know more than experts in the field, when in reality you likely just suffer from Dunning-Krueger syndrome tbh. Your post is filled with faulty logic. Such as the idea that “it wouldn’t make sense for women not to be attracted to most men because that means less reproduction”… 🤦‍♂️ First off, no it doesn’t. One man can impregnate multiple women, therefore women breeding with less men doesn’t actually decrease the number of childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:52 AM
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It’s clear that you have no idea what you’re talking about tbh. Have you never heard of the subconscious mind? Ingrained biological preferences? The sexy son hypothesis? No offense but academics far smarter than you would disagree with your post. So I think most people will stick with them instead over someone clearly in denial about how mating works. Your only argument is basically just “na ah. I don’t like that theory so it’s nonsense🤮”. That’s not a real rebuttal against actual scientific res…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 01:29 AM
1

Mostly a mixture of meeting women at parties/social events and tinder sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:42 PM
1

I’m naturally handsome but was very scrawny, weak-looking and dusty as a kid lol. Working out, gaining muscles/six pack, etc. (looksmaxxing basically) did the trick for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:39 PM
2

E-Boys are mostly just young chads that are still developing tho. So it makes perfect sense that young girls that are still developing themselves are excited by them. Grown ass women aren’t nearly as into the effeminate e-boy look tho, so it’s clearly just an age thing. Not some secret desire for effeminate men that all women have. It’s mostly just super young girls thristing after young boys that look around their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 09:37 PM
2

I think he meant that she can just wait til he dies. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 03:22 AM
0

Sugar-dating is basically just consensual gold-digging anyways so I guess it’s for the best lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 02:49 AM
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Ehh… I’d say they are mostly even in a way. A man that has read lots of research but has no clue how to actually interact with women in the real world isn’t inherently better off than a man who has tons of experience with women in the real world (even if the second guy may not be an expert on the science behind it all or whatever.) Your post basically amounts to someone claiming that a person who spent years studying the science behind the game of basketball knows more about the the game than a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 12:06 AM
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You’re just wrong here dude. If a woman is truly interested in you it won’t take long for that to become obvious bruh… It is true OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:34 PM
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Yeah… Bro. The government will just stand back and allow butthurt incels to wreak havoc… Super realistic… I’m mean it’s not like the law enforcement has drones, robot soldiers, military grade weapons, etc… right? They’ll somehow be no match for a group of mediocre, obese, low-T short men who couldn’t even be arsed to put in the effort require to make themselves more competitive on the dating market (let alone overthrow society). 😂. /s Yeah bro, a large majority of men will somehow flock together…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:32 AM
5

The supposed “threat”(lol) of the disgruntled single male is largely overblown and dwindling by the day in reality bro… But, with that being said, I’m not necessarily advocating for or against anything here. I’m merely explaining the most plausible reasons why women find so few men sexually attractive compared to the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:21 AM
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There are a few plausible explanations : Women could simply be designed to seek out quality rather than quantity. Because only one man can impregnate them at a time anyways. Meanwhile men can impregnate multiple women at the same time. So it benefits men to be attracted to high quantities of the opposite gender but it doesn’t benefit women. If anything, the more men she encounters, the higher the chances she comes across a dangerous weirdo that harms her. Nature may have always meant for a small…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 09:40 PM
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😳… WTF.. We’re talking about women’s preferences ma’am… None of the options would be “covered in sperm” or whatever… lol. Even if we were talking about male preferences… While of course us men would prefer a less promiscuous woman, you do realize sperm doesn’t permanently stain women’s skin right? It’s a weird scenario to bring up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:04 PM
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I wasn’t making a direct comparison between the two pairs actually… I was just demonstrating that people have different tastes/preferences for different occasions. Would you wear a very sexy/slutty club dress to a church for example? Would you wear it to your wedding? Would you wear it to your son/daughter’s school event? Of course not. The idea I’m conveying works the same even without the funeral example.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:52 PM
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What kind of woman? Do you look for the same type of outfit when you’re going to the club vs. when you’re going to a funeral? Obviously not. Different standards for different occasions. There’s nothing wrong or weird about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:43 PM
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Because casual sex is just about sex. Nothing else. For a relationship, she needs to be able to depend on the guy, trust that she can co-exist with him for long periods, build a healthy family life with him etc. Meanwhile with sex it’s literally just… “Which guy is going to get me wettest/most aroused?” Or “which guy seems like he’d give the best fuck” , etc. It’s just simply having two different standards for two different situations. Nothing too crazy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:37 PM
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Only when it comes to looks. For everything else it would probably be the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:29 PM
2

Okay. Interesting… Have you considered dating a “non-binary” woman or perhaps even a Trans man? Those seem like your best two options to find a woman that actively wants to play the male role. I also remember once speaking to a woman that was into the whole bdsm community. And she said that she was really into something called “femdom” where the woman dominates the man. But she said that femdom-women have trouble finding guys that are into it. So maybe you’re in luck there. Maybe you’re one of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 06:19 AM
0

Did you not read the post dude?… He doesn’t just merely want to be provided for, he wants to play the female role in the relationship entirely (be the shorter, weaker one. Be admired for his beauty, etc..) Which is his prerogative of course. But I simply wondered had he ever considered the possibility that maybe he just wants to be a woman in general. That’s all bruh. It wasn’t meant to be an insult in any way dude… Relax bro lmao. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 06:11 AM
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Hmm… In that case, how “short and small-built” are we talking here? If you only want to play the feminine role because you believe it suits you, why not just seek a woman shorter and skinnier than yourself? That should solve the problem right? Unless you’re at a height/weight that’s smaller than 99% of women (which is why I asked how short and small you consider yourself.) Also, there’s gotta be women out there who don’t care if you’re shorter than them. Wasn’t the famously tall celebrity “Megan…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 06:00 AM
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But… Him being gay wouldn’t explain him wanting so badly to be the “female in the relationship” so to speak… I’m not suggesting that he likes dick bruh… He might very well be attracted to women. But he might be attracted to them as a trans-woman. Which would explain why he basically wants a butch lesbian to protect and dominate him in the relationship. Don’t try to put words in my mouth dude. I said what I said. And if I thought he was gay I would’ve just said that in the first place. Lord knows…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:52 AM
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Yes op. You’re simply realizing that women look good in jeans but men look silly in dresses. Male gender roles are just more rigid and static. And most of us males are perfectly fine with this. Which leads me to the question I want to ask you… First off, lemme say that I mean no disrespect when I ask you this, but this seems to be a recurring theme with you or some similar poster always coming back here and making this same thread over and over again… So I have to just ask this once in for all. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:39 AM
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It’s a good thing that selling pictures of yourself isn’t equivalent to drug dealing then…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 12:19 AM
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Getting in to the club for free because thirsty guys wanna fuck you doesn’t make you a scumbag dude… Selling pics of yourself in tight dresses simply because guys are willing to pay you to do so doesn’t make you a scumbag either. You’re projecting your own puritanical virtues onto other people who aren’t actually hurting anyone in reality. Comparing Onlyfans to crime or “scumbag behavior” is just a desperate reach because you’re in desperate need of a reason to justify your resentment of women f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 11:49 PM
3

I disagree, but if that’s what you really want to believe then I’m not going to waste time trying to change your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 11:40 PM
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Couldn’t women blame men for creating those opportunities in the first place tho? There’d be nothing to “exploit” if not for the part our gender plays. So even in the worst case scenario men aren’t innocent or blameless here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 11:32 PM
3

No it isn’t. I’m being literal. Of course looks matter. But unless you are literally male-model material, it won’t carry you by itself. Especially in terms of long term relationships. You need the other stuff too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 11:26 PM
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No one’s saying that dating is exclusively about morals. Of course there are other factors you’ll be judged on as well. It’s more about how attractive you are overall. Not whether or not you tick one specific box. And just a tip, when people say it’s a guy’s personality, not everyone is talking about morals, etc. Sometimes they mean “you lack charisma, social skills, humor, good energy, etc.”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 11:23 PM
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You definitely aren’t gonna beat those allegations I see… 😂.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 07:38 PM
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Women can’t tell which men are psychopaths and which aren’t when they’re being approached dude… So they have to operate carefully with every man regardless. Bringing up “statistics” here is ridiculous. Because even if only 1 in every 1,000,000 men murdered a woman for rudely rejecting him, no woman wants to be that one-in-a-million case. So women will always be cautious in those situations regardless. This is why women hate being cold-approached in random situations where they weren’t looking to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 07:15 PM
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Yeah. This is an area where a lot of guys have cognitive dissonance. It’s like how podcasts like Fresh-N-Fit will try to use this argument by saying “you wouldn’t even be getting the opportunity to be on this podcast if you weren’t a hot young woman😡”… Only for one of the girls to bring up the fact that it’s Fresh-N-Fit themselves that decided that to be the case. Hot bimbos aren’t being invited to the Joe Rogan podcast every week just because they seem slutty and do Onlyfans. It’s certain guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 07:05 PM
1

No you don’t. Robots will be doing all of that. And they’ll doing it longer and more consistently than any human could. They’ll do it more accurately than any human could. They don’t need breaks, they don’t go strike or demand salaries, etc. They are built to be the perfect employees. You’re extremely naive if you don’t believe that at least the majority of human work will be automated by companies in the next decade or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:40 AM
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At a certain point, other robots. At which point, the whole argument becomes irrelevant like I said. Regardless of whether it happens next year or next decade, there will come a time when most labor isn’t done by most men but instead robots and AI. So if “muh labor” is the best argument you can come up with for why your presence is necessary to women, you’re screwed regardless. That was the point I was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:24 AM
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I didn’t respond to the parent comment in the first place tho… I responded to the comment for which my reply is under. That’s kind of how Reddit comments work bruh… If I were responding to the parent comment I’d have just commented under that specific comment to begin with…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:49 AM
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Neither the OP or the comment I initially responded to mentioned anything about it having to be tomorrow dude… You’re adding that in there yourself in a desperate to try to cling to this silly idea that women owe men collectively. It’s a stupid argument anyways. Because not only would today’s modern society likely collapse if women (aka 50% of the entire working population) disappeared as well, but also all the men would be dead in one generation anyways. So both genders need each other in order…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:46 AM
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That’s irrelevant. The point is that they are coming regardless at some point. We’ve already started down that path. Men need to stop trying to pathetically guilt trip women or leverage labor because that labor won’t even matter soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:37 AM
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This argument is quickly becoming irrelevant due to the advancements of AI and robotics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:24 AM
4

I think they meant that there’s truth to the idea that women primarily seek commitment (aka “love”) from men but us men primarily seek sex from women. Both men and women accept this idea because it’s unflattering but not completely untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 09:17 AM
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Fair enough tbh. I can see how asking someone publicly could be obnoxious honestly. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:32 PM
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You can’t really “protest” other people’s opinions of you tho in reality. You’re perfectly free to say you’re a ten if that makes you feel better I guess. But some people may still look at you and say “ehh, she’s a solid 4”. And there’s really nothing you can do about this so I don’t know why some of you get so hung up on it in the first place. Just like how women will make attractiveness evaluations about men they meet, men will do the same about women they meet. It’s not really that serious in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:20 PM
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It’s what we we’ve always done honestly. 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:52 PM
0

I’m not disagreeing that human children are likely more taxing. but if this was that much of a factor, you wouldn’t have cases such as “octo-mom”. Human females would have lost the ability to even have multiple children at all if it were really that dangerous. But yet twins, triplets, and even quadruplets still remain a thing. Just usually not from several different fathers like in cats. So the limiting factor seems to not be on how many children a woman can carry to term, but specifically on ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:35 PM
2

The “goal” of evolution is to keep a species fit and adapted to its environment from a survival standpoint… Who told you that there was no intended goal in regards to the process of evolution? Do you think that there is no “goal” to your body having a bowel movement just because it’s a naturally occurring process?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:07 PM
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No. You are wrong. Because that wouldn’t explain animals such as cats that can be impregnated by multiple males at once. Which is what I was asking you. Why didn’t most other mammal species (such as humans or monkeys) evolve such a mechanism for the women to be impregnated by multiple men at once? Wouldn’t that make more sense if women were supposed to be impregnated by every guy? And don’t say it’s biologically impossible because we already know that human females can give birth to multiple chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:52 PM
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Also just out of curiosity… Why do you think mammals evolved a system where one man can impregnate several women at a time, but one woman can typically only carry one man’s baby at time? Why do you think so many different species evolved to have this style of procreation specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:45 AM
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Ironically, your post seems like a gross oversimplification of evolutionary biology itself tbh. You can switch out “supposed to” for “evolved to be like this because that’s what’s most beneficial to the species” and they’d mean the exact same thing here. I’m saying it’s “supposed to be like this” in the sense of “this is likely an evolved trait based on what helped facilitate our evolution the best”. It’s “supposed to” be that way in the sense that “it’s not some flaw or problem that needs to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:34 AM
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Well now we’re getting into a whole other “can of worms” honestly. That’s a topic that has been debated for years now. You could even go as far as to say that what the entire conflict of Redpill vs Bluepill boils down to. RP has their thoughts and theories on it… BP has their thoughts and theories on it as well. It’s probably the most debated topic in pop culture today (at least in terms of romance anyway). My personal theory is that women finding a smaller minority of men attractive compared to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:08 AM
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Most men would fuck most women but the reverse isn’t necessarily true. Therefore if two people aren’t having sex, it’s usually because the women simply doesn’t want to with that particular man. Men rarely object to sexual opportunities unless the women is significantly unattractive (this connects with the next point as well). And since most women are deemed “fuckable”-enough by most men, it’s extremely rare that a woman gets stuck in the friendzone with a guy. Even if the guy has no interest in …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:48 AM
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It’s likely the lack of attractive men that comes first. This is a tough pill to swallow for some lol. “First, the women did show some evidence of a Coolidge effect under certain conditions. In most cases, the women allotted all ten dates to only one or two men. However, when all of the men were highly attractive, the women showed an interest in dating more of them.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202104/do-men-really-want-more-sex-partners-than-women-do?amp The “Coolidge E…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 09:42 PM
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You seem like a nice, but extremely naive person tbh. You have a lot to learn about the reality of life lol. So I’ll just let you learn those things on your own I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 01:41 AM
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It’s not true that people vary in various measurable traits such as beauty, height, weight, intelligence, talents, charisma, creativity, sense of humor, genital size, health, wealth , etc? It’s not true that people have certain preferences regarding these traits and will make mental judgements and evaluations regarding the people they meet and how much or little of these traits they possess? Are you new to Earth by any chance? If so, welcome and be careful. The people here are weird lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 01:05 AM
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I don’t believe people ever truly lower their standards. But people can learn to be happy with the person they settled with. They can grow romantic attachment even if that person wasn’t their most fantastical idea of a partner in the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 11:59 PM
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People aren’t “cuts of meat” but we do vary in quality. And people make be judgements about how attractive they perceive others regardless. It’s not something immoral or wrong, it’s just life lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 11:58 PM
2

A study that determines that fire is indeed hot will not suddenly be invalid by a decade or two passing dude… And in your OP you made sweeping generalizations about men and women in general with no real scientific evidence. Just one-off anecdotes that like don’t represent reality for most men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 03:43 AM
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That’s just one example. And those guys don’t represent all men. They could easily be trolls of haters just trying to get under her skin. You can’t make these kinds of sweeping judgments without real scientific evidence bruh. Several studies indicate that both men and women perceive the average female face more beautiful. And it’s not due to makeup, it’s due to evolution. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-07-29/evolution-makes-women-more-attractive/1371676 Most women don’t wear makeup because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 02:02 AM
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Well… close, but not quite.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 06:17 AM
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Well, no one’s debating the quality of those relationships. Just that those type of people do get into relationships in the first place. That alone destroys the just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 12:37 AM
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That normal women date men who have a “bitches ain’t shit” mindset. It’s not just a rap or a “gangster girl” thing lmao. Why do you think so many women have an abusive ex or a narcissistic boyfriend horror story? Because women still date those men if they’re attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 12:28 AM
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The same thing applies to “normal girls” too bruh.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 12:22 AM
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Even men that view literally all women as “narcissistic sluts” can still pull if they’re attractive tho. Hence all of the rappers that sing “bitches ain’t shit” anthems as the groupies throw their bras on stage. So even then it’s still a “just world fallacy” and naivety tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:53 PM
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The just world fallacy kicks in when people mistake “behaviorally attractive” for things like “being nice” or “being a simp” or “never criticizes women”… These aren’t actually the things that make a man “behaviorally attractive”. And some of the things that do aren’t so nice or friendly… So the just world fallacy is believing that “all nice/good natured men do well with women” and “all men that are asshole or misogynists do poorly with women”. These are both bullshit and just plain naivety of ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 11:49 PM
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Yes. Even as someone who leans Red, I think they make way too many generalizations and I don’t think many of the current Redpill content creators are that good of a representation for how most men think tbh. (Outside of the most obvious stuff.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 06:46 AM
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Because some of the things that make a man attractive accumulate with age. (Such as maturity, wealth, status, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 06:23 PM
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Upper body strength key factor in men's bodily attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 01:02 AM
1

No one’s saying average men can’t accomplish things… But if you don’t think good genes are what primarily attracts women, especially in terms of physical attraction (so no, gold digger’s don’t count here) then you’re just delusional. I’ll trust the science over a random on Reddit that is clearly triggered by the realities of life lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 02:11 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexy_son_hypothesis And “good genes” doesn’t automatically mean “perfect genes” so that explains cases like Nick Cannon.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 11:30 PM
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There are multiple reasons women are attracted to status dude… And yes, displays of good genes and/or competence (also known as what we call “talent”) is one of the reasons. Which is why someone like a Justin Beiber is more popular with women than someone like a Donald Trump Jr. for example. Both have status and wealth, but one got them through nepotism and the other through sheer talent/good genes. Only one of those men had women obsessing over them at their peaks… (obviously Justin if you’ve b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 04:25 AM
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Looks and status aren’t the only thing women are attracted to if that’s what you’re trying to imply. But assuming your question is genuine, obviously yes, high social status is highly attractive. Because it usually indicates other good qualities. (Such as being successful or talented for example. Or in the case of a social media influencer, it might even suggest that you are entertaining and charismatic as well.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 01:22 AM
5

And you come off even more fragile and pathetic for being upset that people who find you repulsive don’t exactly want you touching yourself to them dude…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:47 PM
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You don’t get to dictate what people are allowed get upset about… And the exact same logic could be applied to you yourself. It’s stupid to get upset about someone finding your “masturbatory fantasies” as gross and pathetic. And yet here you are….
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:45 PM
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You say “why should I care” while begging women to care about the feelings of creeps and weirdo men ironically… Why should they care about you getting butthurt over being thought of as a loser or a pervert? Develop some self-awareness dude…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:42 PM
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Your “logic” is akin to saying that stealing or lying to someone “doesn’t affect them” if they never find out. You do realize that a person can be retroactively upset by finding out someone’s creepy past behaviors, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:52 PM
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How is it abuse to find it creepy that someone you have no interest in is secretly perving on you? Would you be receptive to a gay guy at a bar revealing that he jerks it to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:50 PM
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The problem with that is a lot of guys are more sensitive than they let on. So they take even something as simple as a “no, thanks” as “humiliation and shame”. So it’s not an easy “problem” to fix. Because the “problem” is totally within some guy’s minds more than anything. I’ve seen guys that literally take a woman’s rejection to mean she hates that he even exists. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:46 PM
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Well, for a lot of people, secret desire from a person you have no interest can still feel bizarre. Imagine you had a guy friend that was around you all the time and then you found out he was secretly jerking it to you. You’d still be upset at the times when he was secretly doing so. Now imagine this same guy was bigger, stronger, and likely able to overpower you. That probably ups the creepiness of it too. This is what women have to deal with when the creepy dork at work has some weird crush on…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:42 PM
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Women actually would be the most effected in that situation tho. Considering that being the object of someone’s desire that you aren’t attracted is way more uncomfortable than simply have a crush on someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:38 PM
2

Yes. But women rarely need that type of advice. Women often have completely different dating challenges than men. For women it’s more about learning how to weed the high quality from the shitty ones. Most women will have several men willing to sleep with her at a moment’s notice. But finding the guy that isn’t a loser, abuser, or just mediocre all around seems to be the tricky part. So it’s just really that women are rarely in a situation where no guy wants to touch them with a ten foot pole to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:50 PM
3

They say insanity is doing the same shit over and over while expecting to get different results. So of course a man will have to at least attempt to change in some ways if he wants to change the way women view him. There’s no getting around that if you aren’t a “natural” when it comes to women. But if that’s too much for some guys to bother, I understand. So long as they understand that, so long as you are the way you currently are, your life will continue to be the way it currently is. That’s j…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:26 PM
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My advice is that if your getting absolutely nothing not just online, but even with work colleagues, acquaintances, classmates, etc… My first suggestion would be to start going to places where people are actively looking to hookup. Like clubs, parties, festivals etc. If you’re striking out in even those environments, then you obviously have a lot of work to do on making yourself more attractive. Work on everything. Hit the gym, up your wardrobe/hair, learn more about socializing, try to advance …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:10 PM
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The majority of our behavior is dictated by genetics and instinct as well dude… https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a45666440/humans-dont-have-free-will-says-scientist/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-018-0263-6
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 05:56 PM
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I’ve had this argument on here before and I’m not willing to waste that much time on it again, but yes. The vast majority of women would rather a random stranger “slid in the DMs” or match her on dating apps than to awkwardly approach her while she’s in sweatpants on a quick grocery run. Obviously it’s different if you know her through friends or work. But that’s more of “warm approach”. Walking up to random strangers is “cold approach”. And that’s the shit that doesn’t really work well. This do…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 05:21 PM
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We delay eating for hours to days at a time if we choose to. Animals cannot do this. Says who? I literally saw a video once where a cat mother would delay eating the food she was given in order to later bring it all to her secret kittens that her owner didn’t even know about. She was even intelligent enough to carry it a plastic bag with her mouth. You’re seriously underestimating how intelligent other animals are and overestimating how unique humans are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 04:46 PM
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But we actually haven’t broken any of them in reality. We still eat, fuck, fight, and shit just like every other animal. We’ve just come up with more complex ways to do so, but we’re still doing the same things as other animals. Human exceptionalism is largely a myth created by the human ego. Just because we do things in a slightly more convoluted way than another species, doesn’t mean we’ve actually transcended animal instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:47 PM
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Prettier women have higher standards for everything dude… Not just looks. Because they can afford to be picky. Unlike less attractive women. That’s what I’m saying to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 06:15 AM
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I’d say all women care about the whole package. Attractive women are simply able to get the “best overall package” (which includes good looks, money , etc.) So it’s not that the attractive women are going for different guys than the unattractive woman. It’s just that the attractive women are more likely to get the more impressive guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 06:07 AM
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Your personality is part genetic, part upbringing/experiences, and part circumstance. Only one of those three things can be changed in any meaningful way by adulthood. And being a true “bad boy” requires a certain amount of psychopathy/sociopathy, which is again genetic in nature. You either have that or you don’t. Not to mention things like your individual testosterone receptors (which can’t be altered by supplements) will determine how much free testosterone is circulating in your body. Which …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:21 AM
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It might not be common in your area, but that doesn’t represent every woman. In fact modern women (and even some men I guess) are being more and more open to the idea of being with someone that “has hoes” on the side. https://nypost.com/2023/11/17/lifestyle/more-than-half-of-gen-z-want-open-relationships-study/amp/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 02:02 AM
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Because… fuckboys make it obvious that they’re players and have multiple hoes. That’s what makes them fuckboys lol. In fact that’s actually one of the reasons that fuckboys can continue to be fuckboys even once they’re known to be a player. Because that only enhances a lot of women’s attraction to him at a primal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 01:46 AM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/women-are-more-attracted-to-men-when-other-women-like-them-2018-1 Women generally find men more attractive when other women find him attractive. But I suppose it’s not impossible that there could be a cutoff point where his level of promiscuousness is too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 01:33 AM
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If women in general found them disgusting, they couldn’t be fuckboys in the first place…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 01:21 AM
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I was just giving an example of a female archetype that’s universally considered attractive. The post wasn’t even about cheerleaders specifically. “Cheerleader” was just a stand in for “conventionally attractive woman”. You could easily switch that out with something like “IG model” or “Onlyfans girls” or “hot girl at the gym” and the post works the same. Because it wasn’t even about cheerleaders. That was just the first stereotype of “attractive woman” that came to mind. So no, I wasn’t thinkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 01:13 AM
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Do you not realize that cheerleaders have regular social lives and friends just like other women do dude? There are men in their social circle that come into contact with them all the time. There are guys who meet through Tinder or IG all the time. What the fuck do you think they are. Magical ghosts that one “the chosen one” can see or some shit? 😂. Get a fucking grip dude…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 01:02 AM
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I wasn’t differentiating between high school or college or pro cheerleaders actually. It’s actually you who’s mind automatically went straight to high-schoolers…. Which explains why I even had to remind you that cheerleaders exist outside of highschool in the first place. Because it didn’t seem like you were aware of that from your original comment tbh. So stop projecting my guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:54 AM
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Redpillers don’t assume looks alone get a woman going. You’re thinking of blackpillers. Redpill has always emphasized that women care about things like charisma, social skills, money, status, masculinity, etc. as well
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:50 AM
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It’s not “out of touch” just because you’re claiming to be some random outlier that has a legitimate hatred for cheerleaders for whatever odd reason. That’s not normal. Therefore you don’t represent what’s normal. You don’t represent the average guy. So stop focusing on yourself when I was speaking about people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:45 AM
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Today I learned neither colleges nor pro-sports have cheerleaders… 😂 And you can just substitute it for whatever type of woman is relevant to your life. So like, use “super hot co-worker” or “super hot manager” if you want. It’s the same shit bruh. Don’t get caught up in semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:43 AM
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If you say so bro. But most guys don’t have some random hatred for hot cheerleaders like you seem to lol. So the point I made still stands when talking about most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:37 AM
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You’d like them a lot more if it were you they were sucking…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:22 AM
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It’s the truth my friend. The simplest explanation is usually the right one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:19 AM
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Women “hate” fuckboys in the same way men “hate” the super hot cheerleader that won’t give them the time of day. The hate is simply frustration from not getting what you wanted from them. (For the men it was sex, for the women it was commitment). It’s not a genuine disgust or hatred in either case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 11:48 PM
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I think the asshole thing… While there’s some truth there, guys on forums like this obsess over it too much. The simple explanation is that, from a purely animal/evolutionary perspective, the selfish genes often win. (Or at least historically that was the case.) So women have likely adapted over millennia to have some preference for “warrior traits”. And among those warrior traits are gonna be some traits that many will consider “asshole-ish” if you’re on the wrong side of them. It is what it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 11:45 PM
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🤦‍♂️… Did you not read the op? He didn’t just take “more flattering photos”. He used an app to change his pictures into something that isn’t really even reflective of how he actually looks. And while he’s claiming he didn’t get much pushback from that. I’d take that with a grain of salt tbh. Most people do not wanna be catfished in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 03:37 PM
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I can’t speak for others but I actually mean “you’re being illogical” the same way I would as if it were a guy I’m talking to. I mean “you aren’t thinking rationally”, that’s it. It’s not even a gendered thing in my mind. I am perfectly capable of understanding when a person is being logical and I just don’t agree with their decision. Versus, when someone is being literally irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 03:30 PM
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Stop with the silly rationalizations dude. He went way beyond simply taking better photos. He changed his actual appearance significantly to the point of basically catfishing. That’s the real lesson here. (Be more attractive.) “Taking better photos” isn’t gonna sudden fill in a bad hairline or slim down your stomach. The real lesson here is simply “be more attractive”. Which is true, but not really the ground breaking revelation that OP seems to think it is. And while he’s claiming that people d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 03:24 PM
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It’s so cringe how people both get upset when a group digs their hills in on a topic and when said group is willing to adjust their worldview… smh. What the hell do you want exactly? You do realize that young ideologies often evolve over time right? And let’s not act as if bluepillers haven’t adjusted their stance on certain things over time as well either. Is that “convenient” or just growth? Just out of curiosity… When is the last time you’ve actually heard a Rp content creator even mention AW…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 02:52 AM
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Redpill doesn’t say that “no woman wants to be dominant”, just that most don’t (especially in the bedroom). Most women will gladly tell you that themselves. But no one really says that there aren’t any exceptions. And if you’re thinking of that “AWALT” shit, that’s been dead. Even most hardcore Redpillers don’t subscribe to that idea anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 01:04 AM
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By calling you “buddy?” I can’t imagine how you must feel about words like “champ” or “sport” lol. 😂 I didn’t know that friendly greetings while addressing someone automatically triggered some people. Especially the super socially calibrated, “never misreads or misunderstands social interactions”, never ever “slow on the uptick” users of PPD. How ironic… and you just used the word yourself, are you now admitting that you are being a condescending brat because I merely disagreed with your argumen…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 12:56 AM
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“Buddy” isn’t passive aggressive… I call everyone that. I wasn’t being passive aggressive at all. And it’s not that I wanted some in depth reply. But your “sure 👍”, came off as overly dismissive and condescending. Surely a master linguist who’s mastered all social communication can understand, right? 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 12:48 AM
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You’re close OP. I’d say that before the 2010s it was more of a mixture of the two. You have to remember that the whole “nerd steals the girl from the hot jock by just being nice” trope started in cheesy 80s movies and TV shows dude. So the bluepill has been around for longer than most of us have been alive. But on the flip side, while there have always been “Redpilled” people ( the kind that would tell that looks and money are all that really matter in life), you have to remember that, usually …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 12:45 AM
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Passive aggressive rebuttal when confronted with an argument you can’t twist to gaslight men. -Check ✅
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 12:27 AM
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If something has to be “spelled out” that implies the original way it was put was deceptive to begin with… So you’re really just admitting that some people really were misdirected buddy… And contradicting yourself by then turning around and saying “how could someone not know the words that I say mean something different than what I actually mean…😢” Also, even “just be your best most attractive self” is still misleading advice because some people (men and women) will have to change a lot of who t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 12:21 AM
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mutually beneficial activities can’t also be rewards?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 07:50 PM
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Then why can’t both people view it as a reward? Both people have to earn consent, correct? Aren’t both earning a reward from one another? So then… Since you’ve admitted that sex can be a reward for either or even both parties…. you agree that Lilith’s post is dumb, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 07:13 PM
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Who said anything about the woman not being attracted? You and Lilith made it seem like a men even simply wanting to have sex with a women meant he viewed her as an object. No one said anything about the woman not being interested. In fact you and Lilith are contradicting yourselves like crazy. First it’s bad to think of sex as a reward, then suddenly that mindset not bad if she’s interested as well? Which is it, is the mindset bad in general to have or not? If her being attracted to me suddenly…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 07:08 PM
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Wanting to have sex with women is not seeing women as objects. Wanting to win a women’s affection isn’t seeing women as objects. Viewing the sex as the reward is not even the same as viewing the woman herself as a reward. This entire post is just ridiculous tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 06:30 PM
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Yes. With their company. Which they could easily choose to spend with someone else…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 06:26 PM
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Why… Shouldn’t women be careful around men tho? You haven’t explained why society would even want to discourage women from being wary of strangers…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 12:06 AM
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Do you have any idea what it actually takes to making a living as an artist dude? Do you think that there is perhaps a reason why less than one percent of the population are making music for a living? Do you think that is merely a coincidence? Do you think no one has thought of “just be x, dude” before you? 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:53 PM
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Bro, you’re hilarious dude… 😂. When did I say anything about wanting to be some woman’s “mistake”? All I’m saying is that it happens bruh. Chill out… And no… “just become a successful rapper” is not the amazingly groundbreaking advice that you seem to think it is lmao. If that’s you’re best dating advice ma’am… you probably need more help than any guy here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:49 PM
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Yeah bro, why not just become a famous rapper? Problem solved lmao… But what I meant was that you’d be surprised at the amount of “good, wholesome women” that can still get caught up and played by a player. No one mentioned anything about long term relationships. I’m just saying that being “bible loving wholesome girl” or whatever doesn’t actually guarantee that she’s never done some wicked shit or made mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:39 PM
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How is having sex with a bunch of trashy women somehow equivalent to getting rich? Because, like it or not, that’s the life most men want. Just like how most people want to be rich deep down. Same thing. These dudes aren’t bagging qt wholesome virgin women who go to church and Bible study in their spare time. You’d be surprised lol…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:19 PM
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And there are people who downplay rape the same way you downplay other people’s grievances. You’re doing exactly what they do, yet you would be highly offended if they dismissed your pain and concern the same way you do to others. Take a look in the mirror and realize that your opinion on what’s “counts” as a legitimate is just your opinion. You need to learn how to empathize with other perspectives tbh. And It’s not really about Chads or whatever. I think for a lot of men it’s more about the ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:18 PM
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I honestly think that articles like this are just ragebait that takes some randomly mentally unstable person and makes the assumption that they represent everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:51 PM
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It was about caring about injustices in general… I simply used one example that would resonate with women. That’s all. It wasn’t a comparison at all to begin with. I never said or implied “x thing is equivalent to rape”. I’m saying that it’s dumb to say people don’t care about injustices. Big or small. It seems like you’re trying to argue some bullshit stance of “well, some injustices don’t matter, but the ones that I personally find offensive do…” That’s nonsense. Either people care about injus…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:44 PM
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I didn’t compare rape to anything you weirdo, and I don’t even struggle with women. So keep your dumb assumptions to yourself. My point was that, using Lilith’s logic, nobody should care about those things because “that’s life, who cares, right?” That was her stance on injustices (such as rape), not mine genius. Maybe your inability to read is why you struggle with men. Have a good day. 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:27 PM
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Stuff like Disney is aimed at children in general. Boys and girls. And name a single popular children’s cartoon that depicts the harsher aspects of life as they actually are. Go… Think about it dude… We literally live in a society where we gaslight children into to thinking a fat house burglar secretly infiltrates everyone’s house once a year and leaves the newest PlayStation… As a society, we collectively lie to children in all kind of ways. So why is it suddenly so hard to believe that men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:07 PM
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Of course. It’s just that this comes as a shock to many people because from an early age, we’re inundated with these fairytales, cartoons, etc. That suggests that aggressive behavior isn’t ever rewarded or advantageous to people. So a lot of people feel duped when they grow up and realize that life doesn’t work like the media they were raised on. That’s where a lot of the frustration seems to stem from. Guys that bought into the Hollywood fairytale and now feel like they were mislead. That’s all…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:53 PM
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Yeah… All I’m saying is that, if the looks are there, it (asshole demeanor) does enhance attractiveness for a lot of women. And that’s just real life. But looks are still more important for sure. I never disagreed there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:40 PM
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Basically it goes : ugly wimp < hot wimp, but hot wimp < hot asshole. (At least for a lot of women. I’m sure there are exceptions obviously.) Might wanna read my comments more closely buddy. I never once said that it applies to all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:00 PM
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Asshole can be a lot of things. But typically revolves around dominating and inconveniencing others successfully. That’s what women like. Dominant, aggressive men that can impose their will on others. So think bullies, gangsters, shady drug dealers/scammers, guys that fight (and win) a lot. Guys that have no issue stepping on others to get where they’re going. Use common sense dude. It’s not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:18 PM
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It depends on what you mean by “treat them like shit”… Women do like men that are dominant and possessive over them to a certain extent… But “treat her like shit” isn’t even what Redpillers always mean by “bad boy behavior”. They also mean men that are dark triad and aggressive towards other men. So like thugs, drug dealers, scammers, guys that fight a lot etc. “Women like bad boys” isn’t Redpillers saying you should beat your girl. But it’s obvious that women are more sexually turned on by brut…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:03 PM
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Correct. But there’s only so much a guy can do about looks/genes. So most men simply focus on the parts of themselves that they can change. Such as their behavior and financial status. And once you realize this, now you suddenly understand how the Redpill was born and how it was always inevitable once men realized that women actually have preferences lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:54 PM
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Well.. the bad boy behavior likely does enhance the attraction for many women. But yeah, it’s really the hotness that matters more than anything. Basically it goes : ugly wimp < hot wimp, but hot wimp < hot asshole. (At least for a lot of women. I’m sure there are exceptions obviously.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:43 PM
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This is an extremely childish reduction of what actually goes on in a real human being’s head dude… For someone claiming to be so “mature” you seem to have a think anyone with any criticism of our culture is just a “mustache twirling cartoon villain” as opposed to a nuanced human being with a wide range of emotions. Did it never occur to you that someone can better themselves and have certain critiques on the harsher realities of life? It probably didn’t. You have a childish, black and white “I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:28 PM
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You say who cares? But you cared enough to even make a post about it in the first place… In fact, you’ve made several posts on this whole “do women like bad boys” subject since I’ve been on this forum… So to turn around and try to “who cares” this shit after you’ve made multiple posts and comments on the subject is the epitome of gaslighting and self-delusion tbh. Your own behavior proves most people (including you) care. And that type of flippant attitude could be applied to any perceived injus…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:12 PM
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You kind of have a point I guess. But it lacks some nuance tbh You’re assuming that the guy couldn’t be upset at the idea of immoral people being rewarded despite their shitty behavior. They may not actually be jealous of the “asshole” but annoyed by what they see as a “cosmic injustice”. Most people start out life with a “just world fallacy”. Because TV/movies indoctrinate us from a young age to believe the good guys always win and the bad guys always lose. This obviously isn’t true in real lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:55 PM
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Whoopty fucking doo bro… I’m a bit of a player myself as well, so… Your little revelation means nothing to me. And how can Redpillers be “the cucks” when they’re the ones specifically against things like cuckoldry in the first place dude? Get real. “Cucks” wasn’t even a mainstream buzzword until Redpillers made it one ironically. So using that to describe them is kind of stupid tbh. The more you speak, the more it’s clear that you’re either a liar or just don’t actually know shit about Redpill t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:04 AM
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Op said militant feminists… As in the “I hate all men” types. He didn’t say that beautiful we’re never feminists at all. Just not the angry, bitter, man-hating type of feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:55 AM
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Not when there’s barely blue at all they don’t. And there’s no real “purple pill” so that’s irrelevant here. I already acknowledged that most attractive men probably aren’t binge watching hours and hours of JustPearlyThjngs or Fresh n Fit, dude… But if you don’t think that players have a mostly Redpill view of dating, you’re in for a rude awakening one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:51 AM
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It’s more red than blue tbh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:43 AM
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In order to be a player, you have to be able to consistently attract women… Players are attractive whether you like it or not. It may not be something you personally are in to. But you’d be surprised… I once met a women that told me that sex was best with a fuckboy because the fact that he might ghost her after made it more thrilling and exciting to her lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:42 AM
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It’s okay to admit that attractive men can be shitty people too bro. No need to overdose on the “halo effect” or “just world fallacy” here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:31 AM
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I don’t know if your theory is right or not OP but it wouldn’t surprise me tbh. And it does track with most of the beautiful women I’ve personally known tbh. They are never really the “I hate men” type of feminists. Usually they’re more “you go girl!” type of feminists. It’s probably because beautiful women get the most effort and attention as well as the most love and admiration from men compared to other women. It’s probably a lot harder to hate men when they’re willing to finance your entire …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:29 AM
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I don’t know about that.. A lot of good looking guys are known players and fuckboys. But if you mean the type that becomes obsessed and forms their entire opinion on women around shows like Fresh n Fit, than you’re probably right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:20 AM
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Legality has a lot to do with it. Because it influences our life choices in one direction or another. There are a lot of women who are attracted to gangstas, thugs, etc. But might not act on it because they don’t want to get caught up in an illegal lifestyle, have to live on the run, and possibly end up in prison themselves. So of course there’s reason for modern women to be resistant to dating murderers. (Even tho many still do, see hiphop and “drill rappers” and how it doesn’t put off women wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 09:08 AM
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In a world where murder was legal, it’s highly possible that they would. But murder isn’t legal, so it’s a silly talking point in my opinion. But I do agree with you that consuming a piece of art doesn’t always mean you actually want to experience that shit in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:57 AM
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People are individuals, agreed. But there is also a general nature that men and women have. Both things can be true. There are certain ways where all men/women are unique. And certain ways all men/women are similar to their peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:46 PM
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Feminine or well groomed? Last I checked most K-POP/JPOP male stars were tall with a six pack and chiseled jawline. Not quite as feminine as you’re making them out to be. And also, doesn’t South Korea have an alarmingly low birth-rate and very high cross-gender hostility? Not sure SK is the best example of a healthy dating culture right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 08:45 PM
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You’re being obtuse and disingenuous again. Notice how I specifically said “lipstick, fishnet stockings, and high heels” and instead of just admitting that you couldn’t refute that, you try to pretend that the whatever “makeup” men wore back then was actually equivalent to lipstick and stockings. It isn’t. Don’t move the goal post. Men weren’t doing any of those things you listed in the way that women do them today. So stop acting as if their footwear or “makeup” was exactly the same as the femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 08:20 PM
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There’s clearly a difference. And it’s never felt uncomfortable to me. Perhaps you’re sitting like that too long or your too tense with. It’s a very relaxed position when done right. (But obviously doing anything for too long becomes uncomfortable. Even sitting down itself becomes uncomfortable after too long without a break.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 08:05 PM
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Now you’re just being obtuse tbh. Unless this is your first day on planet earth, you already know that society has a pretty clear general agreement on what counts as masculine code and behavior. You don’t need me to tell you that lipstick, fishnet stockings, and high heels aren’t considered masculine dress code for heterosexual men, right? So don’t pretend that you do. It’s not clever, it just makes you seem naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 08:01 PM
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So many? Or a small niche group of alternative women? Let’s be realistic here… Also from what I’ve seen, the guys that do well in these groups still exhibit lots of masculine traits. Edgy, risk taking behavior (sex, drugs, and rock n roll). Dark triad appearance. (Tattoos, piercings, dark clothing etc. ). Aggressive/violent music and lyrics (metal bands aren’t exactly known for being soy bro lol.) Usually helps if their tall and handsome as well. So it’s more so that these guys are ultra masculi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:49 PM
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Who said anything about women dumping guys over it? The OP is about “the ick”, aka things that slighty turn women off temporarily. No one even mentioned anything about dumping dude. You obviously don’t even know what the fuck your talking about tbh. You strike me as one of those types that don’t even really have experience with TikTok yet you make all these crazy assumptions about it lol. Most of the people on TikTok are just regular people out in the real world dude. Stop acting as if TikTok is…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:23 PM
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Masculinity more or less breaks down into two categories : behaviors and traits associated and expected of heterosexual men. Behaviors and traits that heterosexual men should aspire to and work towards. The first category is more so about displaying typically masculine coded behaviors. Dressing in a masculine way. Speaking in a masculine way. Masculine body language, etc. Meanwhile the second category is all of the things that men are either praised for having or shamed for not having. These are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:17 PM
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Yeah, no one cares bruh🤪… Except for the obvious examples of women that care that even you’ve acknowledged. But those don’t count… For some reason. Sure dude… Whatever helps you sleep at night. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:03 PM
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Gendered body language is dumb? Are you new to planet Earth or something buddy? Both genders have certain body language that’s expected of them. Have fun grossing out women with your soyboy 💅-body language I guess. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 06:02 PM
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The masculine leg cross is something more like this for example. Much more open and relaxed. Not centered around covering the crotch. But instead meant to convey confidence and comfort. The cross happens more at the calves for men. But for women it’s at the thighs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:40 PM
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Yeah, you don’t even really need to engage with stuff like that as man. But if she insists, here’s the trick : The key is to only talk about any issues you have in a way that reassures her that you’ve already got it under control lol. Women want to hear about you conquering your demons, not you fearing or succumbing to them. So you just talk about them in a way that’s still masculine and confident. Always does the trick. 😄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:35 PM
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I think OP means the “skirt cross” that women do when sitting down in a skirt or dress. Not the normal leg cross that a business man would do at a business meeting for example. They mean something like this or this
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:29 PM
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Women have? Or dumb Hollywood movie depictions of women? And I’m pretty sure even if a woman does tell a man something along those lines, she’s not expecting him to completely lose all masculine frame and turn into a pile of wimpy goo dude. 😂… I think that’s where a lot of guys get confused. You can share an intimate moment with a woman without going full 💅… You know what I mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:23 PM
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Do you think that’s the only thing women are attracted to? And before you do the “Well, I am a woman” bullshit, keep in mind that being one individual woman doesn’t give you any actual experience with dating women. Especially as a man… I’m telling you as someone who’s dealt with women all my life, as a man. Women are strongly attracted to masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:19 PM
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Shocking News Alert : Women are sexually attracted to masculinity and toughness! More updates at 11:00!.. 👨‍💼👩‍💼 Are you really all that shocked by women being turned on by sexually dimorphic behavior bruh? Something that traditionally masculine guys have been telling woke soyboys for years? 😂… I’m not really getting the point of this post. Were you really just not aware? Or this just another one of those “women are somehow evil for not being turned on being wimpy, weak behavior in men” type of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:00 PM
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She raises some good points tbh. A lot of men today are so low quality and feminine that they literally feel emasculated by women simply singing vulgar songs. That is kind of “bitch-made” honestly… So some guys have no room complaining about women being more masculine when the reality is that a lot of guys are just soft these days. To the point where any women that isn’t a timid nerd or dork intimidates them. That’s really all OP’s post boils down to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:41 PM
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Well marriage is more about who you’d rather grow old with, parent with, split finances with, etc. And so a women could marry a man because he’s a good provider, or she believes he’ll be a great father to her kids. He might have other great qualities despite not being the hottest person in the world to her. And so she does want to be with him long term, but the raw sexual tension might be only lukewarm. Especially after they’ve been married a while and she’s older with kids to tend to, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 09:38 AM
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The “logical reasons” you’re looking for boil down to 2-3 things typically. Yes, women sometimes marry men for reasons other than sexual attraction to him. Therefore, even if she loves her husband as a person, she may not be as enthusiastic to have sex with her husband as she was to sex with the hot one-night stand. That’s the big “spicy” answer that people are usually fishing for with these types of posts, right? And things like that do happen sometimes. But with that being said, there are othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 08:47 AM
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You’re right actually. I must’ve mistaken the comment for another one. That or I read it too fast. Either way, my mistake. Happy? I’m not sure why it calls for such hostility when it was a simple mix up…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:24 PM
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“If black people hated slavery, why’d it take them centuries to abolish it? 🥴” That’s how silly you sound right now. Social change can take a while buddy… And as for “it’ll never happen here”… Well, just remember that there were probably people who thought that about all civil rights movements… Until they did in fact happen there. So we’ll just have to see about that pal. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:18 PM
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Edit : Deleted due to confusion on my part. That’s my bad actually… 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:13 PM
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Dude… If women were actually happy with “enforced monogamy”, why have they all basically rebelled against it in most parts of the world at some point or another? It’ll happen in places like Saudi Arabia soon at some point as well. Human nature is human nature regardless of whatever indoctrination you try to force on a group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:07 PM
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You mean places women barely have rights and where the marriages are often arranged and usually loveless/sexless? Even in those cultures if the women could choose their partners free from either patriarchal or economic constraints, they’d pick the men their most physically attracted to. In some ways, patriarchal culture has always just been lesser men fearing female choice and doing everything possible to stifle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:51 PM
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That person said “usually” tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:33 PM
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Not “has become”… That was always the case. It’s just more obvious to some people now perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:23 PM
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This is partially just a lie that people who are actually insecure tell themselves. (Sometimes confident people are just confident. Inside and out.) But I’m sure there are certain scenarios where this could be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 09:22 PM
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You likely won’t find many equivalents to the examples you’re giving because women are not as much as physical threat to men as men are to women. (Which is why female-only trains are necessary but male-only ones aren’t.) So of course there’s some asymmetry to how each is gender is handled within society. This is why I’ve always thought that these threads of “what’s the male equivalent of X behavior” or “what’s the female equivalent of Y trait” are kind of silly tbh. Sometimes there is no “equiva…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:58 AM
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I’m not necessarily saying that men should or shouldn’t be. Just that most guys aren’t. So it’s ridiculous to pretend that it’s only women that don’t empathize with or fully understand the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 07:56 AM
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Hmm… It’s definitely a complex issue. On one hand I don’t think MtF trans people can actually speak to the biological female experience in reality. They don’t even experience periods for example. However, with that being said, there might be a hint of truth to what your getting at with the difference in outcomes for trans-men vs trans-women. I think it comes down to the fact that a man’s life is determined much more by his genes than women realize. For men, the most dominant, masculine, and attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:44 AM
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I feel like these type of empty platitudes are really just mental masturbation for men tho. Not only is knowing what what women typically find attractive completely different from actually understanding their experiences in the world, but also most men are actually shit at both of those things if we’re being brutally honest. 😄 The average man is far from being some expert on female attraction, let alone the entire female experience. Don’t get it twisted tho, many women are equally clueless to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:32 AM
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They probably can’t. But can us men understand their experience realistically?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:05 AM
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Perhaps what we have been taught to consider as the “natural birth rate” was never actually natural at all. And was instead artificially high due to being propped up by certain conditions of the past. These conditions aren’t there anymore, so the birth rate is returning to its true natural rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 01:56 PM
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Beauty? Athleticism? Strength? Intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 10:44 PM
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Because from an evolutionary standpoint, asshole behavior isn’t always a bad thing. Just bad for those on the wrong end of it. But it can be quite powerful and arousing to women if she’s allied with and protected by the asshole in question. So the “asshole” traits you’re referring to get continually get selected for because they are powerful and masculine, even if they aren’t always in line with today’s “moral standard” or whatever. Evolution selects for traits that make you most fit for surviva…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 04:13 AM
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High value isn’t just relating to looks. Especially in terms of what women want in a partner. Women have largely been robbed of their ability to choose their mates until modern times. Male “hotness” is largely genetic in nature and cannot be bought to the same degree women’s “hotness” can. A lot of it is either you have it or you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 01:28 AM
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I honestly think the whole “dad bod” thing was really just a temporary internet talking point anyways tbh. People have to remember that the whole “dad bod” conversation started to pop up during the peak of the “body positivity” era and was likely just lip-service to virtue signal. Now that overly-delusional “body positivity” trends have died down, so has most of the talk about dad-bods and all that as well. So it was most likely just an offshoot of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 01:25 AM
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But not to the same degree as us men. And they’re still far more selective about who they have it with then we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 12:53 AM
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But you actually have zero proof that it is any more complicated then X, Y, Z = sexual interest. You just assume that isn’t the case for no reason (other than wishful thinking perhaps.) As far as guys without those features go, you’re just overthinking it. It’s not that women suddenly find those typically attractive features unattractive all of a sudden. There’s just other reasons besides looks that might lead to a woman deciding to sleep with a man. It isn’t not some magic fluctuation in prefer…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:01 PM
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How are they measuring “unhealthy” here? And how do you square this with the fact that women tend to find healthier men more attractive to begin with. I’m kind of skeptical of their methodology there tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:04 PM
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There’s likely multiple things at play here. Attractive men tend to have stronger immune systems, along with being less likely to be obese, or sickly to begin with. Women are likely selecting for healthier men from the get go. Married men tend to be a slightly higher economic status. Which also increases your likelihood of living a healthy lifestyle. Married men are likely to be less reckless. (Because they have a wife, and possibly children at home.) Wives might have a positive influence on mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 10:07 PM
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Historically, it’s true. Tho I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers were closer than ever these days. But even a tie between the sexes would’ve undermined the OP’s point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 08:49 AM
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I guess I’m thinking of “monogamy” in the literal sense… Not some hypothetical “emotional” sense that looks no different from polygamy because you’re still fucking other women either way. 😂. That seems like a questionable definition of “monogamy” in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:07 PM
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Ahh, that makes more sense I guess. Still not sure I buy it tho. How does one even go about measuring or proving that kind of claim? Seems like it’s really just speculation but whatever lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:03 PM
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How you do explain the fact that men cheat more using this logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 09:54 PM
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You’re the one that initially responded rudely with your angry little attempt at sarcasm. I was initially just giving you information, only for you to get butthurt and reveal your ignorance on the subject. Don’t try to play victim now dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 08:10 PM
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That’s not remotely close to your idiotic attempt at paraphrasing what was actually said. You do realize marital rape wasn’t outlawed until 1993 don’t you genius? You’ve just proven my point. Are you too stupid to understand that marital rape was a thing that actually happened? Or are just playing dumb about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 08:05 PM
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Point me to where I actually said any of that nonsense you’re spouting dude… You might wanna spend less time being butthurt over history/reality, and more time working on your reading comprehension. Maybe that’s one of the reasons why guys like you struggle tbh. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 07:59 PM
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No it does make sense. There’s actually nothing relating to evolutionary theory that dictates that women as a collective want men as much as the reverse. You’re probably thinking “But the women selected the men of this generation”. But that isn’t true actually. You’re forgetting about all of the generations of women that had no rights, no say in who they were married to, and little protection against martial rape, etc. And Because of this, women haven’t had luxury of shaping and influencing the …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 07:10 PM
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Some women are killers yes… Just as some women are strongly attracted to providers. The difference being that one of these behaviors is much more common and has been repeated demonstrated to be common throughout various cultures in history… Usually when a behavior is super common within a group, people speak generally by saying “x group likes this thing”. Does that mean we’re saying every single member of x group likes said thing? Obviously not genius… But the preference is common enough that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 12:30 AM
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There are women in pretty much every culture that are attracted to men to wealthier men. It’s basically considered a “cross-cultural preference” among women at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 12:19 AM
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Nobody bats an eye at someone like a George Clooney and his wife having a 17 age gap for example. And generally, very few people give that much of a shit about DiCaprio’s love life outside of the occasional ugly break up. But for the most part, it’s like “meh”… Jason Stratham and Rosie-Huntington Whitley are another example. (20 year age gap). Wilmer Valderama and Demi Lovato were in this category until they broke up and then the narrative started to switch. Brad Pitt has had a few with some wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:56 PM
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The common consensus is that most people arrange dates two weeks after initially meeting. And even sooner if they aren’t likely to see each other again after their first encounter… https://classroom.synonym.com/long-need-someone-ask-out-23293.html
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:35 PM
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Very cynical take tbh… But regardless, some people simply assume that the women’s youth and naïveté is being preyed on in those situations. Might not always be the case, but either way people are always on the look out for signs of an abusive relationship. So age-gap relationships just naturally get more scrutiny than normal ones. It’s as simple as that if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:29 PM
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Women in general are attracted to men who have a strong ability to provide. Regardless of culture. Some women care about it more than others sure. But that probably has more to do with the individual woman and not her race/ethnicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:22 PM
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No. It’s because people assume that the woman is being manipulated or taken advantage of. (unless the guy is unusually attractive. In which case, people then “get it”).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:20 PM
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So your basing the entire worldview on your very specific friend group? Cool… Also today I learned that people only ask out those that are already within their specific friend group… Sure, pal… Also it never dawned on some of you that the reason people hook up so fast in OLD is because lit doesn’t take long to get a date in general if the two people are attracted to each other. (regardless of where they met.) Imagine thinking that this only applies to online dating but never happens in real life…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:15 PM
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People get to know each other on dates… Which usually begin to happen early on before they’ve gotten to know the person… Because that’s kind of the point of the date. To get to know someone in a romantic sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 10:33 PM
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Most relationships start after a few (good) dates. And most times dates are arranged within the first one or two meetings… Maybe three at most. That’s just reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 10:26 PM
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“Become friends with her first” has always been horrible advice tbh. If she doesn’t find you attractive enough to date upon the first or second meet up with you, she likely never will. (Barring some huge “glow-up” on your part I guess.) The same works in reverse, it’s unrealistic to think a guy “all of a sudden” wants to fuck his friend just randomly out of the blue. The attraction was likely always there. So to most people, it sounds disingenuous to say that you randomly out of the blue develop…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 09:38 PM
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When did I say anything about being annoyed? You are ironically disregarding what I’m actually saying yourself. So you might wanna take a look in the mirror and not get so emotional at someone for merely telling you the reality of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:07 AM
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You seem to be stuck at the “bargaining” stage of grief buddy. But no amount of debate or mental gymnastics will change the fact that not everyone will be sexually successful and that’s by design. That’s literally how humanity evolved to this point. Do you have any idea how many humans through out history have died before ever getting a chance to get their dick wet? Likely Billions. And no amount of them feeling entitled to anything changed their circumstances. If 99% of people experience someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:15 AM
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That’s all irrelevant tbh. No amount of “but all those people got to do it” will change the fact that not everyone will procreate or be sexually successful. It’s often people’s unwillingness to accept this very obvious fact of life that causes them more grief than any amount of virginity or sexlessness. It wouldn’t matter if 99% of people got to do it and you didn’t. That’s life sometimes. Some kids die before age 10 and no amount of “those other people got to live to adulthood” will make a diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 05:23 AM
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Romantic success isn’t guaranteed to anyone. That’s literally the entire point of “sexual selection”. Some people will be selected and some won’t. And if you instill that in your kids early on, they likely won’t be so over dramatic and weird about this stuff when it comes to the topic in the future. It’s often the kids that thought a spouse and kids were “inevitable” that struggle the most with this shit. Tho I guess I’d care much more if it were due to some failure on my part as a parent. But i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:52 AM
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Your example is kind of stupid because it’s not like any part of America is truly cold year round. It’s a relatively warm country in comparison to many others. So of course women aren’t choosing their partners based on that criteria dude. Do you even understand how evolution works? The trait being selected for has to actually impact survival in order to be coveted for the opposite sex. Being stocky in America isn’t some evolutionary advantage and won’t do shit in 2024 so why are you acting as if…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 10:24 PM
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https://www.news-medical.net/news/20240128/Study-reveals-musics-universal-emotional-impact-transcends-cultural-boundaries.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 09:43 PM
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This is a such massive coping mechanism dude… It doesn’t really decrease fitness to any meaningful degree. I’m not even saying short men are doomed or whatever. But being taller is clearly an evolutionary advantage overall. Also taller men are more likely to have more attractive partners. And attractive women are less likely to cheat on their partners. So good luck with that little fantasy of yours dude… 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 09:41 PM
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The minor cultural differences in music preferences are tiny at best compared to the huge overlaps in human musical preferences. Music is literally called “the universal language” for a reason bruh. This is why an American born person can hear a K-pop song for example, and not only enjoy it, but even intuitively deduce what the song is about just based on the chosen melodies and vocalizations. A beautiful ballad sounds beautiful in every culture. There is a small cultural element to music, but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 09:30 PM
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It’s not enough of a “disadvantage” to matter in the grand scheme tho. And being taller and stronger always gave you more opportunities to acquire said calories in the wild than being short and weak would grant you. So the calorie is largely irrelevant. Evolution is great at explaining human sexual behavior btw. As sex is one of the few areas of life that’s largely primal and m humans are allowed to follow their instincts. (For the most part.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 09:23 PM
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Your welcome, little lady👍
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 10:00 AM
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Maybe that’s the case sometimes. But with this particular “compliment”, it’s usually used more so in the way I’m describing. As a sort of “gotcha” moment about female nature. Trust me, Ive seem enough of these Redpill “shows” to know the basic script and flow of them. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 09:59 AM
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The Lizzo Thing? I think it’s more so meant to prove a point. The point being that women are socially conditioned to not be honest about certain shit. And while I don’t think that revelation is as Earth-shattering as some Redpillers make it out to be, I do think there’s a bit of truth to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 09:54 AM
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Do you think they’d take issue with being compared to Beyoncé or Taylor Swift, even if they didn’t feel they actually looked like them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 09:44 AM
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Why would he not want that description for himself tho?… It almost sounds like he considers that body type undesirable in his eyes… Same thing is happening with the Lizzo Paradox in reality. Women are just conditioned to not be honest about things like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 09:41 AM
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Not everyone wants to be bothered by strangers if they aren’t at a social event where that’s the specific purpose of being there dude… Bars and clubs are places that people specifically go in order to socialize… So I obviously wasn’t talking about those places… Most people don’t wanna be pestered by some loser while out at the grocery store for example tho. That’s more so what I was referring to. Also, this conversation is mad old and dead already bruh. Why are you replying to it like it’s new? …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:40 AM
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I’m not saying that they agree with Redpillers on everything, I’m saying that they are more in agreement with Redpillers than bluepillers. Blackpillers are closer to being “Redpilled” than “bluepilled” basically. And as much as they may disagree with RP, you’ll find that most disagree with the bluepill even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 02:45 AM
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The myths that the Redpill challenge (such as women not caring about looks) predate the Redpill tho. Redpill didn’t make up these narratives. Even scientists themselves acknowledge that there were once widely held myths about how dating works in humans (especially in regards to how female sexuality works). If you aren’t aware of how widespread some of these myths are, you simply don’t have enough life experience tbh. There are people that have never heard of either pill that exhibit bluepill beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 02:39 AM
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No, I’d say the Redpill just gave a title to a mindset that clearly already existed. You can even see the mindset being depicted in some cheesy 80/90 films for example. Where the goofy dork manages to steal the hot cheerleader from the more handsome “mean jocks” or whatever. Simply by being a “good lil boy” and having a “heart of gold” lol🤮. Aspects of the bluepill (such as women not being “visual”) are even brought up when you read about old-school dating myths about women for example. It was c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 02:32 AM
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I guess we just have very different perceptions of each pill. I choose not to argue over stuff much anymore tho (as it’s not a good use of my time.) So we can just agree to disagree I guess .
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:40 AM
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You can’t just say it never existed simply because there were always groups that knew it was bullshit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:24 AM
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The blue pill largely dismisses studies and rarely relies on them, instead usually opting for personal anecdotes and mainstream narratives. The Redpill is much more “study” focused than the Bluepill actually. The black and Redpill not only reject the entire logic of bluepill (that looks/money/status don’t matter), they even do so for the same reason. And even mostly agree on which type of men are more likely to be sexually successful. (The alpha male archetype ) This is why the Redpill and black…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:20 AM
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It’s a filter in the sense that.. No orgasms means she enjoys sex less with that particular male. Making her less likely to engage in future sexual activities with that particular male. (Or males that remind her of that particular male as well. So in a sense, it does filter out certain future men she meets.) If she has more orgasms with a particular male, she’s likely to associate that particular male with great sex, thus she’s more likely to not only engage in future sexual activity with him, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 12:52 PM
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You’re forgetting that patriarchal periods of human history often robbed women of their ability to do exactly that. (And this was a mistake that the human race is still paying for in my opinion btw.) And you also have to factor in those times when a woman was in a dire financial situation and would probably choose a man more so based on his ability to provide rather than her going for the man that she actually found most physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 11:17 AM
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A woman’s orgasm frequency is at least partially (if not fully) determined by how masculine and physically attractive her male partners are. It’s even been repeatedly replicated by several different studies over time. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513811000250 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26193479/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886915001002
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 06:42 AM
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It doesn’t guarantee it but it’s well known that women orgasm far more frequently with physically attractive men. To the point where even many scientists theorize that the female orgasm is meant to be an honest signal that she’s with an genetically elite man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 06:34 AM
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People often want the best in life period. And that includes things like relationships and status as well. Also your example is disingenuous. You can’t be all “oh it’s no better to have 90 losers vs 9 losers” without acknowledging that it’s better to have 10 decent options vs 1 decent options. Also don’t delude yourself and pretend that the most desirable women don’t typically pair off with the most desirable men. So if you want someone who’s top-tier as a partner, the reality is that you’re lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 09:24 PM
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Because what a player truly wants is… more than one girl. A lot of times “players” are just guys that aren’t interested in monogamy at all period. (At least at that particular moment in their life). Also don’t underestimate a man’s ability to fall in love with multiple women at once. 😂 (I’m sure the same could happen to some women I guess as well.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:08 PM
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This is the best counter argument to the OP in my opinion. You can’t argue that female sexual oppression is good for society, while ignoring that the sexual oppression of the majority of men would be also quite “good” (from a genetic/procreation standpoint) as well. If you don’t support one, you can’t support the other either. And I doubt most of the people making this argument for women would be cool with applying it to men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:41 PM
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Which is OP’s point is it not? That women still outwardly signal that they desire classic masculinity (at least most women anyways). Despite the delusional “modern narratives” that try to gaslight men into thinking otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 05:22 PM
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Exactly. The RP isn’t perfect by any means, but OP is just wrong here about what they are claiming it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:31 PM
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No. It’s more like, she wants the hot guys in her prime, but will look for money/status when she’s older and looking to settle down long term. So if anything, redpill suggests that she’ll end up with the less physically attractive, “betabux” guy in the end. Which lines up somewhat well with many real life relationship stats tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 03:28 PM
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I agree. I think women get more associated with hypergamy because women typically have more options (and therefore more “choosing power”) than men typically. But I agree that both genders are hypergamous if given the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:41 PM
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The most-likely explanation (and the one that makes the most sense in my opinion ) is that it stems from our evolutionary history as a “male polygamy” species. Basically, women evolved to be attracted to other women because it made it easier for the women to thrive in a harem with other women sharing the one high-value male. https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/87097/13/Kanazawa_Possible_evolutionary_origins_of_human_female_sexual_fluidity_AAM.pdf This explanation would explain at lot of other interesting …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:08 PM
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It’s probably most apparent in Latino/Black culture. But as OP alluded to, women with the “Kim Kardashian”-look wouldn’t have even been able to take-over the culture in the first place if that look didn’t have at least some broad, universal appeal. It’s not like white men don’t drool over “that look” as well. (Even if it might not be to the same degree I guess.) I mean, ironically, didn’t she literally just get out of a relationship with a pretty popular white dude? That look appeals to a large …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 09:24 AM
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The song “Baby Got Back” came out in the 80s and was a massive hit dude… Guys have always liked ass. The fashion world just hadn’t caught on at that point because it’s mostly run by women and gay men… (Neither of which fully understood what men are typically aroused by until the modern era.) In some ways, it’s actually comparable to how a lot of men didn’t realize that women have always liked the “Chad”/“pretty boy” look. The internet simply made it more obvious. But the signs were always there …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:50 AM
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Being too effeminate and clingy makes men less attractive to women generally. (Regardless of how good the guy looks). Of course there may be exceptions but generally speaking that’s just how it is. It’s not that you can’t show any affection at all, but there’s a difference between that and just straight up simping for her. Also buying a bunch of stuff isn’t necessarily what’s being discussed here. We’re talking about actual simping here like being a doormat, putting her on too high a pedestal, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 06:42 PM
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🤔Hmm.. Well I think most of us here are speaking in generalities. Of course there’s going to be exceptions to every rule tho. But I’d say overall it’s not a preferred personality type for most women at least. But sometimes it is easy to forget to consider the exceptions. So I’ll give you that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:52 PM
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Nah. There really is a limit to how much you can simp even if youre attractive. Women like guys with some edge and masculinity. Being overly affectionate and accommodating just comes off as submissive and effeminate to a lot of women. Meanwhile men are actually attracted to submissive, effeminate behavior on the other hand. But women just aren’t bruh. Sexual dimorphism makes each gender attracted to different personality types. That’s just reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:23 PM
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Stop deluding yourself dude. You and other men can desperately try to gaslight yourselves into thinking you are whatever… But it means nothing if you can’t get the women that you want to sleep with you or validate your self-proclaimed “attractiveness” in the end. So no, women absolutely do decide which men are most attractive/ high-value in reality. The entire idea of being “high-value” in terms of the dating world is that, you’re “highly-valued” by women bruh… (Or whatever you’re preferred gend…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:08 PM
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I feel like that user was more describing the masculine “ideal”, rather than the bare minimum of what women will accept. Women will definitely date guys that don’t have all of that, but, you probably are “losing points” with most women for each of those things you lack. So in a way you’re both right in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:24 AM
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I never suggested anything of the sort…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:34 AM
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Or they’d try to screw each other over to advance their own personal agendas. Rather than sacrificing or compromising at all. Because compromise isn’t consistent with “me, me, me”…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:23 AM
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Which is fine so long as their goals continue to align, right? But when they cease to align?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:06 AM
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I assuming they mean by promoting a “me, me, me” attitude, which just encourages everyone else to operate from place of selfishness as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:01 AM
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I can’t ever consider it effective when : It doesn’t even give them any of the things that they truly want. They’ll just cope that a day or two of “recognition” will be enough to mean anything. It won’t in the end. They don’t even get to enjoy their pathetic attempt at “retribution” because they’re either dead or rotting in prison shortly afterwards. Society doesn’t “learn any lessons” (other than “ugly = bad person” I guess) from it. If anything it just makes the rest of us feel justified in an…
/r/AllPillDebate12/11/23 11:01 AM
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Not really dude. It’s a cope. It’s by far the dumbest cope. And I guarantee any incel that does that shit was bottom-tier mentally as well as physically. It doesn’t do anything except reinforce the same narratives and stereotypes a lot of you morons then go on to whine about later on. For every person that died, a thousand more people just like them were born that day. And they’ll all go on to live a less pathetic life than the shooter. Not to mention that even the few people that did like the s…
/r/AllPillDebate12/11/23 04:19 AM
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Yeah… Because walking up to random strangers in the middle of their weekly grocery errands is the perfect recipe to have deep, engaging conversations… Sure.😂 Also I didn’t exclusively mean the only clubs and bars but whatever. I agree that you can do your thing and I’ll do mine. Problem solved. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:23 PM
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Or I could just slide in her DMs… Or I could just ask out women that I actually know in my social circle… Or I could just use dating apps…. Cold approaching random strangers is actually desperate and kind of pathetic in reality. It’s really only necessary if you’re too ugly or dorky for any of the above to work… Which might be the case for someone like you but it isn’t for me buddy. I was trying to be humble about it, but since you needed it spelled out for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:22 PM
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When did I say I didn’t have the ability to do so genius… What I actually said was that the concept of it is stupid and weird regardless… There are way better ways to meets and hookup with people in 2023. No one attractive or young does that dumb shit anymore. It’s as outdated as passing her a note in class that say “do you like me? Circle yes or no🥴” lol. It’s stupid and played out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:11 PM
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Sounds perfectly socially calibrated… I’m sure you don’t mostly just annoy and pester people when you’re doing your “approaches” (cringe)… 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:07 PM
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It has nothing to do being scared you weirdo… Did you miss the part where I said cold-approaching was stupid for multiple reasons. I don’t want to approach random strangers that I know absolutely nothing about. She could be a crazy psycho-bitch that puts false allegations on men for example. And luckily, I’m not desperate enough that I need to do that type off shit. I have plenty of opportunities even without it if you catch my drift…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:55 PM
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Which won’t be the case 90% of the time because attractive people don’t even need to walk up to random strangers in order to date, etc..
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:50 PM
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Because clearly they totally knew them from birth. No. Because there are much better less awkward ways to meet people in 2023. Do you like when random door -to-door salespeople bother you with shit you don’t want for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:46 AM
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It’s usually a combination of all those things. But I agree that the term can be a bit broad at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:55 AM
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Adopting an aesthetic won’t work without the strong, intimidating genes need to appear “tough” to most people… A true bad boy has to have good genes and be handsome because if he doesn’t, then he has areas of weakness that can be attacked. Weakness is antithetical to being a dominant “bad boy” type. The bad boy is the guy that bully’s others for being uglier and weaker, not the guy that’s ugly and weak himself. I can kind of agree that being legitimately dangerous/powerful can make up for a lack…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:47 AM
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You can’t really be a true “bad boy” to women if you don’t look the part. So either the fat, ugly guys you’re talking are still large/intimidating enough to pull it off, or you’re simply mislabeled every single asshat that does something rude as a “bad boy” which isn’t accurate. That’s not really how it works. Just like a nerd that puts on a leather jacket and gloves doesn’t suddenly count as a real biker.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:32 AM
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Not everyone wants to be bothered by strangers if they aren’t at a social event where that’s the specific purpose of being there dude… I know you probably think you’re coming off as some type of suave James Bond-type when you pester and bother a woman who’s merely trying to get her Taco Bell and go back to work… But I promise you, you aren’t bruh. And even if she engages with you, it’ll be merely out of curtesy in most cases. Not to mention it’s still stupid to proposition someone you don’t even…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:24 AM
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Good for you I suppose. But the truth of the matter is, most people don’t like being propositioned by random strangers. That’s just reality. Maybe you’re some kind of outlier (or you have a uniquely non threatening demeanor) but for most men, it’s terrible advice imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 01:55 AM
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It may be maladaptive by modern standards, but throughout most of our barbaric history as a species, “nice guys”, dorks and weaklings really did finish last… So even if the preference is a bit “outdated” by modern standards, the ingrained preference (for a bad boy that’s nice only to them) that was shaped over millennia is still gonna be there bruh. Just like how men still largely prefer chaste women due to paternal uncertainty (even tho we have modern paternity tests to alleviate this issue.) T…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 01:44 AM
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I agree. Especially in 2023 dude.. Nobody from either gender likes that shit (unless the person approaching is a 10/10 model with top-tier rizz tbh) Warm approach or using social media is the best bet these days. Partying/clubbing also works if your decent looking and extroverted.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 01:39 AM
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Have you been looksmaxxing or something recently? If so, maybe it’s working🤔?
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 11:48 PM
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No, that’s nonsense. You can’t tell me what I meant by my own comments dude. I didn’t imply any of the the things that you blindly assumed I did. You’re just doing that thing where people assume someone is saying things that they aren’t. And then when you get called on it, you merely try to redress your own baseless assumptions as “implications” that were never actually there to begin with. 😂
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 11:42 PM
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I didn’t say anything about anyone being born a certain way… Like I said, reading comprehension my friend… And that argument is stupid anyways. It’s like a gangbanger expecting not to be convicted by the judge because “do you think I was born this way judge🥴”.. lol. Umm.. who gives a shit?
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 11:23 PM
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No I didn’t. I didn’t say anything about Disney or villains you weirdo.. I said that the most hardcore incels (the ones that cheer on things like mass shooters and terrorism), are likely not just incel solely due to their looks. But they are most likely all around shitty, low-quality scum in general. (Morally, intellectually, etc.) Reading comprehension is key my friend…
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 11:09 PM
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Did I say that, moron?
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 11:04 PM
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Most incels think they are some misunderstood genius. When in reality, they are mostly low-IQ ugly losers that are too stupid to think about the long term consequences of things like going ER. In fact, the whole “going ER” thing highlighted something that I’ve suspected for a while tbh… In order to be a true “incel” you have to be bottom of the barrel in everything. Not just looks, but morals, intelligence, character, etc. as well.
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 10:17 PM
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I disagree that high IQ guys can only breed under those circumstances tbh. It’s possible that less physically attractive men just spend more time sharpening their IQ, rather than women simply not being attracted to naturally intelligent men. This is something that is never really considered when you guys bring up all this “women hate high IQ men” shit tbh. No, women hate ugly men who spend all their free time with their head in a book because they have no social life. Those are the type of “high…
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 04:34 PM
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I don’t feel like enforced monogamy will be enjoyable or satisfying to either gender in the long run. It’s obvious why women would hate it. But even for guys, isn’t that just betabux, dead-bedroom relationship with extra steps?
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 04:27 PM
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Somewhat true. But they will try their hardest to avoid doing so. And if they are successful enough at it, the entire gene pool will become more attractive. Which is why I’m not against hypergamy. It benefits both genders in the long run.
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 04:21 PM
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And attractive women inherit a portion of their attractiveness from their fathers… https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201101/beautiful-people-have-more-daughters?amp Attractive father = attractive daughters = attractive grandsons. So again, the problem solves itself…
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 04:10 PM
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This isn’t exactly true for a few reasons. For one, if the most attractive men breed the most, this will actually reduce the rate of ugly women/daughters in the future as well. There’s also the fact that the father’s genes are more dominant over the mother’s for the most part. So it matters more how the father looks than how the mother does. Also if the woman is indeed ugly, then her kids would still be less ugly/incel with her breeding with an attractive man. As opposed to her breeding with an …
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 04:00 PM
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Exactly. Seems like OP is the one coping more than anything tbh.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 08:43 PM
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Come on now… You know good and well that humans across cultures share way more in common then just simply the veneration of food and water. There are plenty of sex-related characteristics alone that have been observed cross-culturally. The “Coolidge Effect” being an example. I don’t think humans are all that different across cultures tbh. Sure, there are minor things. But it feels more like people who say that simply want to believe that human behavior is less predictable or pre-determined than …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:08 PM
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Ahh, that makes sense. For me it’s more like… She’s very buxom/voluptuous, but still clearly in good shape. Like the type of women that you usually see in music videos or something 😂.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:13 PM
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What about a woman that’s fit and busty tho? That’s more so what I think of when I think of a “thick” woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:04 PM
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Yep. I think that’s what’s going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:02 PM
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That only seems like it makes any sense if you’re actually idealistic enough to assume that our “culture” itself isn’t merely a reflection of our biology shaped by certain biological preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:50 AM
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After a quick look this is what I came up with : https://www.deccanchronicle.com/amp/lifestyle/sex-and-relationship/181217/men-with-long-ring-fingers-4-times-likelier-to-land-a-curvy-woman.html Seems interesting if legit. Then there’s also the fact that men in general seem to prefer curvy women over flat ones. https://time.com/3752142/curvy-women-men-prefer-curves-plus-size-evolution/ Which makes sense because it’s pretty obvious that most men prefer bigger titties, bigger asses, etc. compared t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:44 AM
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People don’t expect you to be a mind reader, but from the videos I’ve seen of “awkward male approaches” that went viral, most of those guys really did just have shit social skills tbh. Things like not being able to take obvious hints/rejections, not being able to read facial expressions, not being able to read body language or vocal tone… None of these things require you to read minds, just being able to pick up on the obvious lack of interest/enthusiasm will save you from a lot of these situati…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 11:45 PM
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Well, I wouldn’t call it “a lot” of women. But there definitely are some women that lack self-awareness for sure bruh. Some people in general are just kind of socially inept tbh. 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:37 AM
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That’s not true according to statistics tho. And why is it that historically women have earned the reputation of being picky, meanwhile us men have earned the reputation for being “dogs” that’ll fuck any young hot thing that gives us the time of day? If what you’re saying was true, those stereotypes would be reversed wouldn’t they?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:28 AM
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But the feminine women will have higher standards and a lower sex drive typically. And therefore will be less tempted to cheat with the average guy. Think about it, men are the masculine gender, do us guys have a reputation for being faithful? Are men known to cheat less than women or more?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:24 AM
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Does women want a confident guy because they want to feel feminine and protected around them? Yes. Most people are heterosexual and have stereotypically gendered sexual preferences. Most men want to be the masculine partner, and most women want to be the feminine one in the relationship. Both genders are typically attracted to traditionally gendered behavior such as masculinity in men and femininity in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:15 AM
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No. Because higher testosterone tends to go hand in hand with higher promiscuity… And also, if she has lower standards than most women, she’ll actually come across more men that trigger her temptation to cheat, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:10 AM
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Desperation when it comes to sex is almost universally perceived as a sign that you are low-value or unattractive in some way (whether physically or mentally, etc.) It’s the most obvious “red flag” in dating so to speak…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:13 PM
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But what if most of these “social norms” and expectations tied to each are more rooted in biological differences rather socialization in reality tho? I think the “gender is a social construct” crowd tend to underestimate how much of our behaviors are actually the results of biological differences rather than socialization tbh. (It’s well known that the amount of certain sex hormones in your body often increase/decreases the occurrence of certain behaviors/inclinations for example.) What if socie…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:40 PM
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Wouldn’t Bumble have come out and announced that no such survey took place tho? (If what you’re suggesting was the case?) Nevertheless, feel free to take the data with a grain of salt if you want. Even if proven illegitimate, female sexual preference for greater height is basically undeniable at this point. Doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re absolutely doomed without it but, it’s clear that more height = more attractive in a lot of cases. (Especially if the height gap between two men is extrem…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:21 AM
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It’s debatable in my opinion. I feel like we share way more in common with the tournament species than the pair-bonding one in terms of sexual behavior and characteristics. Even if we don’t 100% fit the mold (which in itself is debatable as well.) it seems to be the closer description of us than the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:07 AM
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Maybe. But in a healthy relationship, the working partner is more than capable of making the SAH partner feel valued and appreciated. I saw it even with my own parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:56 PM
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Housework is only thankless if you have an unappreciative partner tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:25 PM
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Why is it a problem for women to show interest in you in the first place dude? Especially considering that if they stopped, you’d likely complain about that too. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 10:11 AM
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Trying awfully hard to live up to our username are we?… lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 10:04 AM
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Stop assuming you know anything about me or my social life dude. It just makes you sound like a delusional moron… I just know enough about the internet (and people in general) to take most of the random anecdotes in the internet with a huge grain of salt. And ironically, you’d have to have a lack of social experience yourself to not do the same. So spare me your pointless lectures. I don’t even know who you are in reality. For all I know, you could be some weird, autistic loser with no friends y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 09:51 AM
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Yeah.. But also people on the internet just lie and bullshit about their lives dude. Because anonymity makes it’s tempting to do so. That probably happens much more often then the scenario you’re describing (especially on an obscure forum like this) tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 07:04 AM
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Plenty of the guys that I’m around me also don’t do that because they also see how stupid that is and how that could be extremely consequential. Yeah, yeah… On the internet everyone always conveniently “knows a guy” that somehow bucks every trend or statistic of course… But random anecdotes don’t mean much to me. The reality is that a large percentage of men are quite interested in casual sex. I don’t know why are you guys call it a woman thing to just not be an idiot and thinking with your geni…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 11:31 PM
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You’re a woman. Of course you don’t have scarcity mindset when it comes to sex. But most men do. It is what it is. Men don’t find sluts physically disgusting tho. Just their behavior. And even then I’m not sure “disgust” would be the right word…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 11:06 PM
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I kind of agree tbh. (Except with the “you can attract anyone” part. Let’s be real, 10s don’t fall for 2s. And that goes for both genders btw.) Your logic does make some sense tho. (you have to improve your personality in order to compensate for other shit. Rather than some magical personality being attractive in and of itself.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:47 PM
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A natural, instinctual inclination or preference for something…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:31 PM
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Don’t be obtuse. Not every gendered behavior is the result of a corresponding gene dude. You don’t need the “PPD gene” in order to be on this forum fyi 😂. There’s all kinds of biological factors that can affect behavior. Hormones, epigentic changes, puberty, etc. I didn’t say shit about “doing dishes”, I specifically said sexual preferences. If you were trolling, do better. I literally said both men and women have secondary sex characteristics that can’t be influenced by cultural bullshit. I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:29 PM
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Just as I suspected tbh. You have no idea what bluepill is if you think all “normies” fall for that wimpy bullshit. And you have no idea what Redpill is if you think only the socially disadvantaged agree with it. Also, 3 short paragraphs requires a tldr for you? That’s not a flex bro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:22 PM
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You’re basically realizing what I realized a while ago bruh. Men are “better” than women in certain ways because we were selected and bred to be. Humans are more or less a “tournament species” (a species where one gender, typically males, has to compete much more intensely for sex than the other gender.) In almost all tournament species, the men are bigger, stronger, etc. than the women as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:20 PM
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Both men and women have some instinctual sexual preferences that may not be considered fair or “pc” in the modern world. And these preferences can’t be lectured out of people. No matter how unfair or hypocritical they might seem at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:04 PM
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I doubt it’d make much tbh… 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 05:52 PM
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Cause biology influences cultural attitudes and not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 05:49 PM
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Hard disagree. I don’t think you actually understand what the Redpill and bluepill represent if you believe that. You’re likely one of those people that barely have any familiarity with either concept and are just cartoonishly mis-characterizing one side as “the good guys🤓” and one side as the bad guys. When in reality that couldn’t be further from the truth. Even with guys like Elliot Rodgers, it was actually his inability to let go of bluepill myths about women that actually led to him killing…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 05:43 PM
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Fair enough. I guess my disagreement was more so that every guy had to go through these things. Because not only is it untrue, it feeds into certain false narratives about RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 02:37 PM
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I get where you’re coming from with that. But still, you don’t even have to be “done wrong” by a bunch of women to understand women are human and capable of all kinds of things (good or bad). So really it’s more of a case of those bluepill guys just being extremely naive if they think every woman is some flawless angel. The wisest people don’t need to actually wreck their car in order to understand the importance of safe-driving. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 02:05 PM
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Are you literally stupid dude? Or are you just in denial? The only reason I added the TikTok page is because it’s literally direct evidence of women specifically expressing there arousal for tall guys. (Aka “drooling over height”) It’s literally right in front of your face. I can’t believe there are people that even need this to be spelled out to them. No wonder you’re so naive tbh😂 And the others weren’t “click bait articles” it was actual research. And even another user posted more as well. Of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 09:22 AM
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No offense but you have be kind of dumb to think that only men who’ve been “done wrong” by women would acknowledge that there’s at least some truth to Redpill ideas. And you’d have to be even dumber to think that men that are highly successful with women don’t typically agree with many Redpill ideas over bluepill ones as well. Some of the biggest players and fuckbois you’ll ever meet that get girl after girl typically think and behave more Redpill than blue in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 09:06 AM
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You sure about that? https://www.tiktok.com/discover/is-he-actually-cute-or-is-he-just-tall?lang=en https://news.yahoo.com/short-kings-rise-grind-study-225908780.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4342156/#:~:text=Height%20also%20has%20a%20differential,studies%20%5B54%2C55%5D. Also, notice that they differentiated the phrase “taller” from “average height” here. An average height male is already taller than an average height woman, so if women just wanted “taller than me”, men that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 08:49 AM
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The average woman is like 5’4 bro… Do women typically drool or salivate over men that merely are 5’5 tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 08:36 AM
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I think that’s a part of it OP, but there are clearly other factors that play into women’s height preferences as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:31 AM
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No because if that were simply it, women wouldn’t be so aroused by the men that are tall compared to other men. There’s clearly more to it than what you’re saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:29 AM
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True. But you can’t really blame people when it’s literally part of the propaganda everyone’s brainwashed with growing up. I think it takes time for most people to realize that mainstream narratives aren’t always accurate or truthful tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:25 AM
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Can you not read? I’m just saying that both studies should be taken at face value. Meaning this study shouldn’t be used as some desperate attempt to explain another completely unrelated study. Especially because the studies don’t actually debunk each other at all. As someone else in this thread pointed out : Women can think 80% of guys are unattractive and still reject some of the 20% due to body insecurity. This study doesn’t debunk hypergamy or vice versa. These two studies can both be true at…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 01:33 PM
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You’re not completely wrong, but it’s well also known that men are much less picky than women as a whole. So you’re not completely right either. But I can agree that us men are somewhat hypergamous when it comes to looks as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 09:51 AM
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If you’re referring to the 80/20 stuff… No, it doesn’t explain anything. Those stats were specifically about how the women collectively rated the men on the apps. Not whether they turned down sex or not. So you’re kind of reaching and comparing apples to oranges if that’s where you’re going with this one… But if we’re just supposed to take this info at face value, I think it’s simply another reason that sex is treated differently between the genders. Sex with women requires so many things going …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 09:47 AM
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When did I say it bothered me? I only pointed it that since men (traditionally at least) invested more into relationships than women, it might sting a little bit more to find out that your wife views you as “meh”. The conversation was never about me complaining about anything. I think some of you don’t always take the time to understand what’s actually being discussed before jumping in tbh. You just saw “men do more of ‘x’ than women” and assumed it was some women bashing comment right? So then …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 01:18 PM
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You’re joking obviously. But I think you’ve hit on something important tbh. It was probably much easier for men to lie to themselves about what women actually wanted when women were basically disenfranchised and had to choose men based on survival rather than raw sexual attraction. I’ve always suspected that this is why there are so many myths and misconceptions about what women are attracted to compared to men. Women have only just recently (in the grand scheme of modern societies) just gained …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 12:00 PM
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That is a completely normal thing for men to do in many cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 06:06 AM
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Romantic “Love” starts at physical attraction for most people… Not saying it should or shouldn’t be that way, but that’s how it is. Also be more realistic bro, love doesn’t literally fuck up your eyesight and trick your brain into thinking your dating the “hottest person in the world”. That’s not real life dude. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:07 PM
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I’m guessing they’d rely on there friends and family to judge? Either way, blind women don’t want to date unattractive men anymore then sighted women do. So if her friends/family think you’re ugly, it’s a wrap for you buddy lol.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 06:29 PM
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The problem people generally have with flirting isn’t reading “subtlety” bro. It’s that what counts as flirting is totally up for interpretation unless she’s isn’t being subtle about it… Which, if she actually wants you, she won’t be. She’ll just slide in your DMs and say it bruh. There’s no need to beat around the bush in the area of private messages and “sneaky links”. Most times, even if you miss her “subtle” attempts at flirting, she’ll make sure you get the next ones. So the shit you’re tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:26 PM
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Another running theory is that women simply feign “attempts” as a cry for attention. Rather than genuinely wanting to kill themselves… Think about it dude… You’re about to traumatize who ever finds you regardless (as well as your friends and family), why the fuck would you give a fuck about “leaving a mess” if you actually wanted to off yourself? That explanation makes zero sense.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 04:43 PM
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Or it can just mean being genuinely easier to please and impress…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:36 PM
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Yeah… It’s a crazy world we live in bruh. 🤣😅
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 04:35 PM
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Uhh… Yeah… About that… 😬 “While physical attractiveness was less important to blind men, blind women considered physical attractiveness as important as sighted women.”
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 04:23 PM
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But men being less picky means we have less standards. Therefore it’s more likely that we’re actually attracted to you as opposed to “settling”…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:13 PM
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Women still largely prefer men that make more then them tho… And typically a women isn’t going to buy her own engagement ring or shit like that even in 2023… So it could still be argued that even today, a man will end up spending more over the course of the relationship than a woman will. I don’t know why you’re so weirdly defensive about this reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 03:19 PM
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I literally didn’t do any of that. I even at acknowledged in the original comment that this was at least the case historically. Meaning I already acknowledged that it might be possibly changing over time. But regardless it’s just how things have typically gone in relationships for most of human history. It’s not something you need to be defensive over but I’m not using it as a slight against women if that’s what you’re thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 03:09 PM
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My “equivocation” was merely a response to your shitty attempt at an answer… If you don’t care, then don’t waste time commenting on this topic then wise-guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 02:21 PM
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Between the man and the woman in the relationship, who’s more likely to spend more? Also one out of four isn’t exactly the amazing rebuttal that you think it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 02:01 PM
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Historically men weren’t the primary providers in romantic relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 01:42 PM
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Who typically paid for dates historically? Who typically paid the lion share of the bills historically? Who typically paid for the engagement ring historically? Who typically paid for the wedding historically?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 01:40 PM
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Can you not love your car yet be concerned with the mileage on it as well? I don’t really see what point you’re trying to make tbh. If a guy is worried about “pair-bonding” isn’t that even more evidence that he loves her and doesn’t want her past sexual partners to be a threat to their relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 01:08 PM
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Or… He sees any women he’s dating as special?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 12:58 PM
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And that’s where we disagree. I don’t think most average guys are aware of this. And they certainly would be bothered by their girl telling them that this is the case verbatim. Most guys are probably more “bluepilled” on this kind of thing bruh… A lot of men think they are way more attractive to women than women actually think they are, in reality. The average guy is pretty naive on these kind of things dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 12:57 PM
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“Men contributing more” = / = “women don’t contribute at all”. Reading comprehension is key my friend. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 12:50 PM
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….🤦‍♂️… Because men are less picky, we’re more likely to actually be completely sexually satisfied by the woman we’re with. And we’re less likely to view ourselves as having settled in the first place…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 12:48 PM
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It happens tho. And you’re still missing the point… Okay, this should help you out : Let’s say the woman isn’t a professional model but has the looks to be one. She’s just a regular girl from a small town and ended up marrying a guy she met through her job. The man she married sees her as his ideal dream girl, but she’s been with men much more attractive than than he is. She still loves him, but she didn’t necessarily marry him for his looks or sexual prowess… Let’s say the guy finds out that sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 12:45 PM
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