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| 2 | TRP tries to change people's attachment styles, it probably doesn't workHoroscopes are based on your date of birth. They try to predict how you will turn out. Attachment theory is based on psychologists noticing the same patterns over and over. They just describe how you connect to others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/19 11:35 AM |
| 5 | TRP tries to change people's attachment styles, it probably doesn't workWomen that are attracted to avoidant men are in the minority. It's just that TRPers don't get any better because they only care about quantity without any regard for quality. Most do in fact prefer emotional attachment, but TRPers are afraid of any woman that is confident in herself so they just ignore them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/19 11:31 AM |
| 4 | Male sluts do not (and CAN not) existI'm pretty sure that guy in college that slept with all those women earned it, i.e., by being in shape, having good game, etc. He didn't just show up and get sex the way most women do. Why does that matter? She still considers him to be gross and you wouldn't care if a female slut was in good shape either | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/19 07:06 AM |
| 1 | Is dating hard for woman or are woman just playing victim?It was a rhetorical question | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/19 02:53 PM |
| 11 | Is dating hard for woman or are woman just playing victim?Do women actually complain on a large scale, or are you just playing victim? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/19 10:28 AM |
| 2 | Should men really care about #MeToo, "rape culture", and "sexual harassment"?Sex is the price women are willing to pay for a relationship with men, which is what they really want. No. That's just an incel delusion. Women may not want to sleep with you, but they certainly do enjoy sex with me even if they know that we will never date (or if they don't even want to date me). Male sexuality disgusts them but they're willing to deal with it if they get something else from him. No. That's just another incel delusion. They love male sexuality, but only from men they want to ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/19 03:22 PM |
| 3 | Should men really care about #MeToo, "rape culture", and "sexual harassment"?I don't consider slapping random women's butts or unzipping my dick in public to be part of normal male sexuality, so I don't even understand why I would see those complaints as an attack on myself or on regular male sexuality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/19 01:41 PM |
| 4 | CMV: TRP is the one platform that gives low value men good advice on how to improve themselves yet instead of being promoted, it gets scorned.It goes like this: People complain that TRP is misogynistic. TRPers don't want to admit that things like "women are children" are misogynistic because for them that's just an undeniable fact that's self-evidently true. Therefore it's impossible that people don't like TRP for its misogyny, so it logically follows that they only hate it because they don't want men to know the truth about women. It's no different than a religious cult member calling non-believers satanists. There's no logic behind … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/19 12:27 PM |
| 2 | New here, as stated earlier. Sometimes I have a hard time point out circle-jerking if the idea being echoed coincides with my own. So my question is, is this sub a truly diverse platform to debate (in terms of the ratio of different pills)? if not, who do you think dominates this debating platform?That's what naturally happens, because incels and radfems push moderates away. Why would any red pill man want to debate here if everything he hears is that he's a rapists that should get castrated? Why would any woman want to debate here if all she hears is that she's a dumb illogical cunt that only wants Chad? They will take control of the conversation, because they will make unbearable for normal people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/19 04:10 PM |
| 4 | New here, as stated earlier. Sometimes I have a hard time point out circle-jerking if the idea being echoed coincides with my own. So my question is, is this sub a truly diverse platform to debate (in terms of the ratio of different pills)? if not, who do you think dominates this debating platform?I think it's like the paradox of tolerance. You can't have a tolerant society unless you also have an intolerance against intolerance. Similarly you can't have diverse forum for debates if you allow extremists to take control of the conversation. It would just turn into a shouting match, but not into a debate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/19 03:46 PM |
| 3 | New here, as stated earlier. Sometimes I have a hard time point out circle-jerking if the idea being echoed coincides with my own. So my question is, is this sub a truly diverse platform to debate (in terms of the ratio of different pills)? if not, who do you think dominates this debating platform?Shit, if we banned every person unwilling to debate then we wouldn't have a sub. Lots of CMVs get deleted because the OP never responds or doesn't respond in good faith. Sure there are a few, but the more extreme/radical a poster is the higher this chance gets. Drastically But it's besides the point, the radfem opinion is still LACKING here which means to have a "truly diverse" forum, you would need their opinion regardless of their willingness to debate. Radfem and incel opinions can be perfect… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/19 03:38 PM |
| 7 | New here, as stated earlier. Sometimes I have a hard time point out circle-jerking if the idea being echoed coincides with my own. So my question is, is this sub a truly diverse platform to debate (in terms of the ratio of different pills)? if not, who do you think dominates this debating platform?A lot of blue pillers come here for half a minute and either can’t cut it and leave or get bored or leave for whatever reason. I think it's because we listen to our own advice: go out and socialize I'm pretty certain that there's a direct correlation between pill color and time spent online. Blue pillers tend to love socializing. Red pillers do it to get laid. Black pillers haven't left their house in years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/19 03:34 PM |
| 2 | New here, as stated earlier. Sometimes I have a hard time point out circle-jerking if the idea being echoed coincides with my own. So my question is, is this sub a truly diverse platform to debate (in terms of the ratio of different pills)? if not, who do you think dominates this debating platform?In order to have a debate you need people that are willing to debate. Neither incels nor radfems qualify as debatable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/19 03:28 PM |
| 1 | New here, as stated earlier. Sometimes I have a hard time point out circle-jerking if the idea being echoed coincides with my own. So my question is, is this sub a truly diverse platform to debate (in terms of the ratio of different pills)? if not, who do you think dominates this debating platform?No. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/19 03:25 PM |
| 1 | A lot of hate from the redpill/incel/and other communities towards women comes from feeling cheated, when they find out that despite what they were taught, men and women aren't equal and play by different social rules. The Opposite is also true for many man-hating Feminists.Are you talking about western women now or still about a certain type of young, rich and hot white girl? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/19 10:32 AM |
| 1 | A lot of hate from the redpill/incel/and other communities towards women comes from feeling cheated, when they find out that despite what they were taught, men and women aren't equal and play by different social rules. The Opposite is also true for many man-hating Feminists.That alone is pretty much a one way ticket to incelville in the west especially if you want white sorority Stacies. So he wouldn't have been an incel if he just lowered his standards instead of demanding the hottest chicks? Yeah sounds like women's high standards are to blame | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/19 10:21 AM |
| 3 | A lot of hate from the redpill/incel/and other communities towards women comes from feeling cheated, when they find out that despite what they were taught, men and women aren't equal and play by different social rules. The Opposite is also true for many man-hating Feminists.My life is glorious, and I don't complain at all, unless it's about NYC banning hotdogs like a bunch of retards. Kind of ironic of you to call them retards even though NYC has never banned hot dogs. The fact that you believe in absurd right wing conspiracy theories doesn't make others retarded. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/19 10:14 AM |
| 3 | A lot of hate from the redpill/incel/and other communities towards women comes from feeling cheated, when they find out that despite what they were taught, men and women aren't equal and play by different social rules. The Opposite is also true for many man-hating Feminists.The 80/20 law is less of a fact and more of a coping mechanism. It's a coping mechanism because the bottom 20% of men can just blame women for not liking average men instead of accepting that they are at the very bottom. In reality average men can get laid. It's not that women are only attracted to the top 20% instead they are attracted to a variety of men that make up the top 80% and aren't attracted to the bottom 20%. According to incels women are only attracted to fit men that are over 6'4", … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/19 07:35 PM |
| 6 | For 80% of men in relationships, your "good" girl isn't "good." You just met her in a good girl contextThey've conveniently got a "no incel content" reporting category. Incels keep telling us that they are incels because women are all horrible sluts that only want Chad. But this "no incel content" category was introduced because incels are annoying as hell and because they are like parrots that can only repeat the same buzzwords over and over. This is PurplePillDebate, but not YetAnotherIncelEchoChamber. PPD is for discussion about relationships and dating. Incels have no experience with these, c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 02:01 PM |
| 6 | For 80% of men in relationships, your "good" girl isn't "good." You just met her in a good girl contextSure facts are wrong and the idea that women are only attracted to the top 20% is an undeniable fact just because you feel that way. That's very convincing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 01:04 PM |
| 3 | For 80% of men in relationships, your "good" girl isn't "good." You just met her in a good girl contextThe OkCupid blog post from which I got the graphs from mentioned that they are about initiation and in the book they talk about that they used messages that got back and forth a couple of times to filter out spammers and bots. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 01:01 PM |
| -1 | What is your opinion on male/female friendships (if both are straight, not related)?How come? For some people it's just not possible because their opposite sex friends always have feelings for them or at least attraction. Feelings don't have to be acted upon and if you've been friends with her for a long time she starts to feel more like a sister and less like a potential partner, especially if you've already hooked up in the past but it didn't work out. You have developed feelings for other women (friends) while with your girlfriend and she was ok with that - to me that sounds… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 12:31 PM |
| 4 | For 80% of men in relationships, your "good" girl isn't "good." You just met her in a good girl contextDon't worry, that's just an exception. My post quality directly correlates to my hangover, and yesterday I happened to stay sober on a friday night. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 11:47 AM |
| 10 | For 80% of men in relationships, your "good" girl isn't "good." You just met her in a good girl contextWomen don’t really just "message" in the neutral sense. They mostly reply, and often to reject. That apparently counts as "messaging men". And again you are creating a narrative in your head and expect us to accept those feelings as fact. No. They counted messages where women initiated and that went back and forth a couple of times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 11:45 AM |
| 1 | What is your opinion on male/female friendships (if both are straight, not related)?As someone that hangs out mostly with hippies, artists, stoners and queer folk (which seems to be a common theme) mixed groups of friends were always the norm and I think that people without opposite sex friends are weird. We are all high n-count people with high sociosexuality, but we all know that we can trust each other. For example while my girlfriend was on a vacation alone an ex of mine slept on our couch for a weekend. She didn't had to worry though, because that ex was a good friend of b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 11:43 AM |
| 11 | For 80% of men in relationships, your "good" girl isn't "good." You just met her in a good girl contextWomen only are sexually attracted to 20% of men. The 80/20 law is less of a fact and more of a coping mechanism. It's a coping mechanism because the bottom 20% of men can just blame women for not liking average men instead of accepting that they are at the very bottom. In reality average men can get laid. It's not that women are only attracted to the top 20% instead they are attracted to a variety of men that make up the top 80% and aren't attracted to the bottom 20%. According to incels women a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 10:44 AM |
| 9 | For 80% of men in relationships, your "good" girl isn't "good." You just met her in a good girl contextThe 80/20 law is less of a fact and more of a coping mechanism. It's a coping mechanism because the bottom 20% of men can just blame women for not liking average men instead of accepting that they are at the very bottom. In reality average men can get laid. It's not that women are only attracted to the top 20% instead they are attracted to a variety of men that make up the top 80% and aren't attracted to the bottom 20%. According to incels women are only attracted to fit men that are over 6'4", … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 10:41 AM |
| 2 | Discussion: why does "fat acceptance" apply only to women?(even if, for the women, they’re encouraging each other to get into a mindset where they even think improvement is possible.) Yeah I think many RPers see fat acceptance, but don't see that it is often used in line with fitness as well. Like this Instagram account that's for both weight loss and body positivity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 10:06 AM |
| 5 | Discussion: Why do young women see a serious realtionship as a threat to their career?A lot of the time these women don't mind having casual sex a few times a week. Rarely are they celibate for a long periods of time. Which is still much less of a time invested. With a partner you spent several hours a day with them. And you have sex not only when you want but also when they want. The sex itself also takes longer and has more foreplay and aftercare. They can have casual sex on demand. If they've got an hour to spare they can just message someone. They would have masturbated eithe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 09:42 AM |
| 8 | Discussion: Why do young women see a serious realtionship as a threat to their career?Relationships limit your freedom, because you prioritize both of you over yourself. There's less time to study, because you will prioritize cuddling, doing relationships stuff and fucking over getting perfect grades. Instead of studying 20 hours to get an A you will study 8 and hope to get a C. There's fewer chances to make professional connections, because why would you spent time with people from university if you could spent it together with your partner instead. You can't just pack your thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/19 09:33 AM |
| 4 | Why do men have far more varied tastes in women than women in men?>What makes a dick penetration more painful than a toy penetration? Do you really have to ask why penetrating yourself in your own speed is less painful than letting someone else - who might not even care if you are wet enough and who might not even stop if you feel uncomfortable - penetrate you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/19 10:17 AM |
| 4 | If men were to listen to women on when and where they would like to be approached, men would never get anywhereRead the sidebar. It quite clearly states that AWALT. If one woman says she doesn't want to be approached it's obviously true for all women, because AWALT. If another woman says that she wants to get approached she's just a filthy lying hypocrite. Female hypocrisy knows no limits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/19 09:02 AM |
| 1 | Why do men have far more varied tastes in women than women in men?Is this accurate? No. That's just what TRPers and incels want to believe, but as usual their ideas have very little relation to reality. In reality men have much more agreement on who's attractive. If a woman is a 8 most men will rate her as a 7-9, but for women the ratings of men are all over the place. If it’s not, why does it appear that it is? Because they are the world champions at hamstering and the least self-aware about their biases. A woman dates Chad? TRP confirmed A woman dates someon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/19 08:53 AM |
| 3 | You shouldn't be friends with women that aren't attracted to youYou are still proving her point. Women wouldn't default you into an orbiter role if you learned how to be fun, cool, interesting and relaxed instead of bitter, angry and resentful. Just ask yourself: why would anyone want to be friends with you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 04:24 PM |
| 2 | How do women treat women who have a lot sex?That's also how I would have stated it. Men slut shame women for having sex, but women slut shame women for sleeping with married men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 04:20 PM |
| 1 | You shouldn't be friends with women that aren't attracted to youYou are proving her point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 04:14 PM |
| 1 | You shouldn't be friends with women that aren't attracted to youI don't get it. Why is attraction necessary for a friendship, unless of course you do not care about the friendship at all and only use it as a way to sneak into a relationship? I don't care if she's attracted to me or not if we get drunk together. It doesn't matter if she's attracted to me if we play video games together. It makes no difference if she's attracted to me if we watch some TV shows together. And why wouldn't she value the things I say just because she isn't attracted to me? This wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 04:06 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?I watched the first 8 minutes and she hasn't brought up a single solid argument so far. I don't feel like listening more of that blabber. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 12:23 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?Give me a breakdown | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 12:11 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a700wf/cmv_toxic_masculinity_doesnt_benefit_men/ebza61e/ I replied with a really long comment, but only touched like 10% of their errors. How does this count as getting owned? I count it as something that's so horrible wrong that it wasn't worth my time to explain every mistake in detail https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9zdqa9/discussion_why_isnt_toxic_masculinity_called/eabos9x/ Same here. I tried my best to show them why they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 11:46 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?To the feminist, toxic masculinity is a redundant term. You might as well just say male, or evil interchangeably How did you even manage to come to such an absurd misinterpretation? No one has ever used toxic masculinity as an attack on men. Men are always portrayed as the primary victims of toxic masculinity. How is it possible to turn things like "the idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot is toxic masculinity" into "men are toxic"? It's impossible that you are that illiterate. I have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 11:34 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?You already got owned on toxic masculinity before. I don't think that you completely ignoring everything I say and just repeteating "toxic masculinity means that men are toxic" over and over again is the same as getting owned. All I did was getting annoyed because I made the mistake of not putting this account of yours on my ignore list. Should I post the arguments you lost on and ran away with your tail between your legs? As you do a good job of doing that. Why would you want to post an empty l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 11:25 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?The only way not to have toxic masculinity is to remove masculinity itself. As there's no aspect of masculinity that isn't toxic. That's not an argument. That's just a very clear sign of extreme black and white thinking. That's like "feminists complain about burnt pizza. This means that they hate all pizzas and want to get rid of them all" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 11:01 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?Are you aware of how much you are grasping at any reasons to get outraged? Try to read the APA guideline again without already fuming at the mouth from the start and you will notice how far off your misinterpration is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 10:49 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 10:47 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?Only one here spewing bullshit is you Which is evidently you. Tell me are you always a condescending ass to others? Because you love and crave it Nemo. We can all go home now. You should have done that a long time ago instead of just creating new accounts each time we ban one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 10:45 AM |
| 0 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?Tell me do you go around throwing around insults because you can't debate? I'm not just throwing around insults. I'm pointing out that misinterpretations by illiterate manospherians are just misinterpretations. Illiterate is not an insult in this case. It's the sad reality that most anti-feminists are barely literate and can hardly understand the English language. Its like you intentionally ignore every single definition of the word patriarchy. How am I ignoring them if you are the one that clea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 10:42 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?It's clear that you have no idea what toxic masculinity means and it's also evident that you've never even read a single article about it so let me help you out before you waste more time spewing such absolute bullshit. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/8b82a0/cmv_toxic_masculinity_shows_that_trp_isnt_willing/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 10:38 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?Facts aren't an ad hominem. "You are dumb" would be an ad hominem. The fact that anti-feminists came up with such absurd misinterprations because they literally can't understand anything that's more complex than a Trump speech is just a sad fact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 10:36 AM |
| 0 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?>Despite it does. Only according to illiterate manospherians. Normal people are able to understand that there's a difference between "a system of society and societal values and norms that place men above women" and "men" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 10:33 AM |
| 0 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?I've told more than one female teacher and/or parent that her whole "stop crying, big boys don't cry" after a kid's taken a vicious header is toxic as fuck. So enforced ON MEN BY PATRIARCHY is bullshit. How does that make it bullshit? Patriarchy doesn't refer to men, it refers to certain traditional cultural attitudes. Women are also people and also part of society, so it's obvious that they can also enforce patriarchal societal attitudes. It doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman that pushed t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 09:24 AM |
| 3 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?About the idea all men belong to a big club called "the patriarchy" that's just toxic and exists to hurt women? That men LOVE RAPE and have and promote an entire culture about sexually hurting women? Why are you using autistic misinterpretations of feminist theories to debunk feminist theories? If you want to convince me you've got to argue against the actual patriarchy theory, but not against an absurd misintpretation that some angry incels came up with. This is a debate sub and not a circlejer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 08:55 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?That's a lie and you know it. You've got to consider that I'm not a gullible TRPer so you've got to provide actual facts instead of just made-up nonsense. Your stance is just further proof that the manosphere isn't willing to have a honest discussion about feminism, because feminists and the APA are evidently talking about certain masculine gender norms being toxic, but not men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 08:43 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?I think it's best if we start with my "Toxic masculinity" is proof that TRPers aren't willing to have a honest discussion about feminism thread, because you quite clearly have done a total of 0 research into this topic and rely solely on misinterpretations. It's evident that you haven't done any research into this topic at all, because each source makes it clear that We aren't talking about traits of men. We are talking about a set of norms, standards and expectations that are placed upon men. W… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 08:38 AM |
| 5 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?Because toxic masculinity specifically addresses harmful gender norms that affect men. Feminists have spent a long time talking about how patriarchy hurts women. And toxic masculinity is used to talk about the ways in which patriarchy harms men. Whenever we talk about the fact that the idea that eating vegetables makes you a faggot is toxic masculinity we aren't attacking men. We are attacking societal standards that harm men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 08:32 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP who believe in “toxic masculinity”: What are positive masculine traits?Only according to some illiterate anti-feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/19 08:30 AM |
| 3 | Sexlessness in former communist Europe - what's the incel/femcel like in the old Warsaw pact nowadaysThat's not actually relevant because I don't think Yugoslavia was part of the Warsaw pact, and it's just one country. Serbia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Herzegovina and Slovenia are a handful of countries. Romania: minor civil war just before fall of communism, no armed conflict after 1989. Yes for those the problem wasn't war, but poverty. Romania is a country with 20 million citizens, but 5 million of them work and live abroad. They don't have lots of kids and young people anymore, because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/19 12:31 PM |
| 5 | Sexlessness in former communist Europe - what's the incel/femcel like in the old Warsaw pact nowadaysThe transition from communism to capitalism didn't went all that smoothly. Suddenly people were poor and there was a power vacuum that had to be filled. After Yugoslavia broke up there was a rise in right wing nationalism. Radovan Karadžić and Ratko Mladic tried to create a Greater Serbia by genociding the Bosnian Muslim population. (which became the Remove Kebab meme that the alt-right loves so much) Hundreds of thousands of people were killed; even more were forced to leave; Muslim women were … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/19 10:33 AM |
| 0 | CMV: The fact that TRP still adheres to their misinterpretation of the OkCupid study shows that they do not care about facts at all.Where’d this strawman come from ? From seeing the OkCupid blog being quoted on TRP as proof that the top 20% of men sleep with 80% of women and as proof that looks matter more to women than men. You’re talking about the incels here, not RP. And by now you should know this perfectly well. And since a few years incels write RP theory and RP science posts on TRP. Like if you go back more than 5 years you find a post that accurately uses this blog post as proof that looks matter less to women, but I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 06:00 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The fact that TRP still adheres to their misinterpretation of the OkCupid study shows that they do not care about facts at all.It's been replicated by Hinge data scientists as well as Tinder's. It's a replicable finding of online dating data. Whether or not this is representative of offline dating is becoming less and less relevant as online dating is increasingly becoming the majority form of dating. The Tinder study isn't a real study. At this point I would be remiss to not mention a few caveats about these data. First, the sample size is small (only 27 females were interviewed). Second, all data is self reported. The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 05:54 PM |
| 0 | CMV: The fact that TRP still adheres to their misinterpretation of the OkCupid study shows that they do not care about facts at all.Hah If the red pill was about looksism they wouldn't spend all their time talking about game, shit tests, holding frame, dgaf, grooming, status, charisma, dohvs and all that other stuff. Stop moving the goal posts. I didn't claim that TRPers think that women only care about looks. I claimed that TRPers use the OkCupid blog to prove the 80/20 rule and that women care more about looks than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 05:45 PM |
| 5 | CMV: The fact that TRP still adheres to their misinterpretation of the OkCupid study shows that they do not care about facts at all.Don't pretend that this misinterpretation of the OkCupid blog isn't part of TRP theory. It has been posted on at least a monthly basis over there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 05:36 PM |
| 3 | (CMV) Even if women dont care about looks (so much), 80:20 is still true for other criteria as wellThose two sentences are completely odds and you know it. Curb your hysteria. How are they at odds? Protip: they aren't, because they both express the very same thing | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 11:04 AM |
| 1 | (CMV) Even if women dont care about looks (so much), 80:20 is still true for other criteria as wellWe are talking about men going after women, but not about men rating women. You should really read the whole conclusion instead of just a single sentence, because it showed that when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. (quoted from OkCupid) It dramatically illustrates just how much more important a woman’s looks are than a guy’s. (quoted from OkCupid) It show… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 09:16 AM |
| 2 | (CMV) Even if women dont care about looks (so much), 80:20 is still true for other criteria as wellOn deliberate misinterpretations of data from online dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 09:13 AM |
| 3 | (CMV) Even if women dont care about looks (so much), 80:20 is still true for other criteria as wellThat's not true. Men's rating vs messaging shows that they rate women along a nice bell curve, but that they primarily send messages to the most attractive women. Women's rating vs messaging shows that they rate 80% as below average, but also that most of their messages get send out to below average men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 09:13 AM |
| 1 | (CMV) Even if women dont care about looks (so much), 80:20 is still true for other criteria as wellTheres a tinder study being debated here rn which proved the 80:20 rule How did it prove that? I don't blindly believe everything I read online, so explain to me how asking 27 women on Tinder how often they like men proves the 80/20 rule? At this point I would be remiss to not mention a few caveats about these data. First, the sample size is small (only 27 females were interviewed). Second, all data is self reported. The females who responded to my questions could have lied about the percentage … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 08:54 AM |
| 2 | Why do people here hate TRP so much?Most statistical work involves taking small samples and making generalization. And no I’m not saying that TRP is doing statistics but that they will they take this principle. Most statistical work involves taking meaningful sample sizes that reflect reality. But TRP cherry picks outliers that support their preconceived notions while deliberately ignoring anything that goes against their feelings. TRP has as much to do with statistical work as anti-vax has to do with medicine or flat earth with g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 08:44 AM |
| 1 | Why do people here hate TRP so much?That's just a natural aversion people have in regards to bitter pseudoscience. If TRPers actually wanted to self improve they could have used any men's magazine or other non-misogynistic source to learn that looks matter, that fitness is important and that social skills exist. But instead they rather prefer to blame women for all their problems and come up with theories that make them feel better by claiming that women are all mentally retarded children. You don't have to throw women in the base… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/19 08:34 AM |
| 1 | Tinder study confirms that 80/20 rules applies to sexual attractionIt's even worse. At this point I would be remiss to not mention a few caveats about these data. First, the sample size is small (only 27 females were interviewed). Second, all data is self reported. The females who responded to my questions could have lied about the percentage of guys they “like” in order to impress me (fake super hot Tinder me) or make themselves seem more selective. This self reporting bias will definitely introduce error into the analysis, but there is evidence to suggest the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/19 07:53 PM |
| 1 | Tinder study confirms that 80/20 rules applies to sexual attractionIf you wanted to say that you should have said it, instead of calling some other argument bullshit. And to be honest, no it doesn't actually prove it all the way, because there are a still few more caveats. For example men agree much more on who's attractive. This explains why their ratings are a nice bell curve unlike women, who have a much more varied and specific taste in men. This graph showed that women as a whole rated most men as unattractive, but also that plenty of below average men got… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/19 07:40 PM |
| 1 | Tinder study confirms that 80/20 rules applies to sexual attractionTRP claims that looks matter more to women, or just more than they claim it does? TRP claims bullshit like: The okcupid study actually showed women responding to the “bottom 80%” and men were the ones who were actually messaging and going after the most attractive women, not vice versa. Uhh I think you’re mistaken. The bottom 80% of women were pursuing the top 20% of men. It's a fact that "The okcupid study actually showed women responding to the “bottom 80%” and men were the ones who were actua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/19 07:13 PM |
| 2 | Tinder study confirms that 80/20 rules applies to sexual attractionNo. The OkCupid blog showed that women rate 80% as below average, but that they still go ahead and message them, unlike men who primarily reach out to the most attractive women. It showed that when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. (quoted from OkCupid) It dramatically illustrates just how much more important a woman’s looks are than a guy’s. (quoted from O… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/19 07:01 PM |
| 3 | Tinder study confirms that 80/20 rules applies to sexual attractionYes, the OkCupid blog is one of the most commonly misinterpreted studies. It doesn't show that women are only attracted to the top 20% of men. It actually only shows that TRPers are too emotionally invested in this topic to even read the studies they rely on. It was so often misinterpreted that they even had to take it down, which the conspiracy theorists of TRP saw just as more proof that their inane misconceptions are facts. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/8w5vpy/controversi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/19 06:56 PM |
| 1 | There's almost 0 LTR with regular active sex without the man applying (consciously or not) RP principles.Dread game : you make her know she hasn't got you locked and that you can leave. You have female friends that you could have sex with if you weren't in a relation ship and your gf/wife clearly knows it. The main problem with RP is that they think that only dysfunctional relationships between dismissive-avoidant men and anxious-preoccupied women can exist. Their whole worldview is based on outliers and outlier relationships, even though they all keep telling themselves that they are perfectly nor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/19 03:16 PM |
| 1 | On why TRP subreddit often gives a fallacious sense of truthWell ignoring mother, sisters, female friends, female authority figures, anything that isn't a modern men's magazine etc, I guess you can cherry-pick the advice that supports your argument. How is that cherry picking? It's just the only actually observable mainstream advice. I don't know your mother nor your sister, but we can both open a men's magazine. Your mother simply isn't as mainstream as actual mainstream advice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/19 02:31 PM |
| 1 | On why TRP subreddit often gives a fallacious sense of truthAssuming that the mainstream advice is "go to the gym" and not something like "girls don't like muscular guys, just be yourself!" I'm talking about actual mainstream advice, but not about things your mother once told you. Men's magazines are filled to the brim with fitness and gym advice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/19 01:06 PM |
| 1 | On why TRP subreddit often gives a fallacious sense of truthDo you think that guys never tried turning to magazines for tips? Just because it's a men's magazine doesn't mean that any advice they were offering is of any quality, especially for men that probably need social interactions spelled out for them. Does Cosmo have a reputation of offering decent dating advice for women, much less for nueroatypical women? Okay, but that doesn't mean that mainstream advice is bad or useless. It just means that mainstream advice is aimed at normal neurotypicals, but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/19 12:14 PM |
| 1 | On why TRP subreddit often gives a fallacious sense of truthMen's magazines have existed for several decades even before TRP became a thing, and they do nothing else except giving fitness, styling and flirting advice. But TRPers consider them completely useless, because they don't teach them that women are mentally retarded children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/19 11:11 AM |
| 1 | On why TRP subreddit often gives a fallacious sense of truthWhat problems? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/19 11:09 AM |
| 1 | On why TRP subreddit often gives a fallacious sense of truthhttps://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/8qmxde/cmv_trps_descriptions_of_female_nature_are_wrong | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/19 10:58 AM |
| 1 | On why TRP subreddit often gives a fallacious sense of truthThe entire reason people end up taking the pill is because they aren't getting effective advice from the mainstream narrative. The only major difference between RP and mainstream advice is the bitterness and misogyny. Mainstream advice tells men to get fit, to develop boundaries and to become confident. RP says the same thing, but with "because women are mentally like children", "because women are mentally handicapped" and "because women are incapable of being loyal or thinking logically" How do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/19 10:54 AM |
| 3 | On why TRP subreddit often gives a fallacious sense of truthIt is intellectual dishonest do say AWALT is false, because only 95% are like that. But only something like 10-20% of women are like that. It's just that TRPers deliberately try to attract those, because they only care about quantity without any regard for quality. AWALT may seem true for TRPers, but that's just because women that know what they want and that aren't mentally like children see RP tactics as a red flag. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/19 10:47 AM |
| 1 | CMV: In general, women want to date guys who don't follow the rules. That's partly why you shouldn't listen to their dating advice.More sex =/= more attractive to all women They have more sex because they have Lower standards. They don't care if she's nice, creative or cute. They often hook up with women that are just as dark triad as them and stick their dick in crazy. Lower morals. They are more likely to manipulate and exploit women. Spend more time grooming themselves and hide their dark triad traits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/19 10:21 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify men as much as men objectify women, and women care about men's looks just as much as men care about women's. But people only care if it's men who do the bad thing."You guys are all autistic and illiterate, I know everything better than you." That's not a moral high horse though. "Terps are sexual predators and see women as objects." When did I say that? Most of my complaints are about their misinterpretations of studies, exteme black and white thinking, immense solipsism and willful ignorance of biases. These men believe what they say, but it’s only because they think all other men are sexually predatory. They act superior to other men because they believ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/19 01:05 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify men as much as men objectify women, and women care about men's looks just as much as men care about women's. But people only care if it's men who do the bad thing.You said in your own post up there you were 18 at the time. So you were an adult, they were children, and you preyed on them. I said I hooked up with 12-14 year olds when I was 16-18, which is regular teenager behavior. It's like more a decade ago so I obviously do not remember all the details, but 18 is my mental upper limit because that's when I joined the military and was gone from the hookup scene. So I mean I don't think you exactly have much reason to get on as high of a horse as you do. W… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/19 12:07 PM |
| 0 | What separates the naturals from the imitators?What separates them is the autism spectrum. Natural is just another word for neurotypical. Normal neurotypical men naturally understand all these basic social interactions for which TRPers require a detailed online guide. Naturals don't need to learn what shit tests are, because they are naturally good at banter. They don't need to learn that women can lie, because they naturally understand that people aren't always speaking the truth. They don't need to learn how to spot IOIs, because they can … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/19 10:58 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify men as much as men objectify women, and women care about men's looks just as much as men care about women's. But people only care if it's men who do the bad thing.Well something like 10% of 11 year olds and 20% of 13 year olds here already get drunk on a weekly basis, so it's not like they were too drunk to understand what's going on. And I wasn't even an adult at that point. It was just two kids exploring their sexuality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/19 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify men as much as men objectify women, and women care about men's looks just as much as men care about women's. But people only care if it's men who do the bad thing.They wanted me, I did get their consent and I didn't reduce them to mere objects. So no that's not objectifying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/19 02:11 PM |
| 1 | Women objectify men as much as men objectify women, and women care about men's looks just as much as men care about women's. But people only care if it's men who do the bad thing.Objectification is the expression of something abstract in a concrete form. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectification In social philosophy, objectification is the act of treating a person, or sometimes an animal, as an object or a thing. It is part of dehumanization, the act of disavowing the humanity of others | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/19 12:03 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?I wasn't arguing that men and women cry just as much. I was arguing that social norms make them hold back on the tears they would naturally shed and that men not crying is cultural, but not biological. Stay on topic. Nice try though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/19 12:00 AM |
| 1 | Women objectify men as much as men objectify women, and women care about men's looks just as much as men care about women's. But people only care if it's men who do the bad thing.https://m.wikihow.com/Perform-Well-in-a-Debate | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 08:49 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify men as much as men objectify women, and women care about men's looks just as much as men care about women's. But people only care if it's men who do the bad thing.It does not, because you aren't reducing them to a mere object. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 06:38 PM |
| 4 | Women objectify men as much as men objectify women, and women care about men's looks just as much as men care about women's. But people only care if it's men who do the bad thing.Sexual objectification isn't the same as sexual attraction. Sexual objectification is reducing someone to a sexual object. You can be sexually attracted to someone without ignoring their agency, consent, dreams, hopes, personality, etc If you are attracted to someone you can see them as a sexual person, but it becomes objectification if you see them as a sexual object. That's also why porn is empowering, but creepshots objectifying. The difference is consent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 06:37 PM |
| 2 | Women objectify men as much as men objectify women, and women care about men's looks just as much as men care about women's. But people only care if it's men who do the bad thing.Only for people that can't handle any kind of nuance. There's a difference between sexualization and sexual objectification. With sexualization you see them as a sexual person. But with sexual objectification you see them as a sexual object. Examples of objectification are something like grabbing a random womans butt without consent, but not someone being sexually attracted to their partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?First men self-harm differently They might punch something, start doing extreme sports, get blackout drunk and start fights, etc which are all things that aren't immediately seen as self-harm the way that cutting is. Secondly men have far higher rates of "shooting themselves in the face without ever showing anyone that they were depressed". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 02:47 PM |
| 2 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?Toxic masculinity is a nice concept but it's misused very often as a direct attack on men. Yet I've never seen it used that way even though I asked for sources a thousand times. Either by suggesting men should "do better" in a condescending way, either by suggesting it's men's fault, either by telling men they can behave differently than toxic masculinity and then condemn men who are naturally masculine, giving you the impression that the only allowed behaviour is female like. Where does that ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 01:22 PM |
| 3 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?Out in the bailey this is directed at men who “don’t cry about things that women cry about”. This bailey doesn't exist. Show me where they say that you have to cry whenever a woman would cry instead of explaining that bottling up emotions is psychologically harmful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 01:18 PM |
| 3 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?How about the argument that you are making men unhappier by pushing them against a natural instinct that is adaptive for them, and whic feels easy and natural for them. If not crying is a natural instinct, then why do men need to learn to hold back their tears? Why did the non-western cultures that Charles Darwin visited not have the same natural instinct to hold back their tears? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 01:01 PM |
| 3 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?But that's exactly how I feel when barely literate TRPers try to tell me that "the idea that crying makes you a faggot is toxic masculinity" means the exact same as "having control over your feelings is toxic masculinity and men are toxic". It's not an attack on men just because the manosphere is filled with men that are too neurotic and triggered to even read what they are arguing against. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 12:30 PM |
| 3 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?Okay, but you still haven't shown how I attack and demonize men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 12:04 PM |
| 3 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?Modern research shows men all over the world cry less than women That's not the argument. Stay on topic instead of trying to come up with blank slate strawman arguments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 11:43 AM |
| 3 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?The same thing it means to every literate person and the same thing I always say: harmful societal standards that are placed upon men I explained it in detail here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/8b82a0/cmv_toxic_masculinity_shows_that_trp_isnt_willing/ For literate people it's impossible to see it as an attack on men, because it evidently is meant to help men by freeing them from harmful stereotypes and standards. It's not an attack on men, but on traditional gender norms. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 11:39 AM |
| 4 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?How is consensual and legal sex between two teenagers rape? Some of these girls are still my (or my younger sisters) friends, and even though they also found feminism none of them think of me as a rapist. They think it was a wonderful experience and they are glad that it was me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 11:32 AM |
| 4 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?If a mans tendency to cry is around 2.5 then hes not bottling loads of shit up. If he were a soman he would be. He’d be bottling up over half the times he wanted to cry. This would be bad. But he’s not a woman, so he’s not bottling it up.... and so assuming men who don’t cry as often as women “have something wrong with them” is hurting and stigmatising men for no good reason at all. Well that's a great strawman argument, but we aren't saying "you have to cry as much as women" or "even if you fee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 11:27 AM |
| 2 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?You spend your free time shitting on men instead. I never did that. That's also just your imagination. All I'm doing is pointing out that "toxic masculinity" doesn't mean that men are toxic, but for some reason the neurotic TRPers here also see that as an attack on men. I also defend men whenever TRPers claim that men are naturally aggressive and rapey. I never said you put women on a pedestal, more like you demonize men, which as a result still builds a gap. Show me where I demonized men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 11:22 AM |
| 5 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?It's still a fact that even Charles Darwin noticed that men being expected not to cry is a western cultural phenomenon. In his book he recounts several examples of men crying publicly and also mentions that the restraining has to be learned. With adults, especially of the male sex, weeping soon ceases to be caused by, or to express, bodily pain. This may be accounted for by its being thought weak and unmanly by men, both of civilized and barbarous races, to exhibit bodily pain by any outward sig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 11:18 AM |
| 3 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?however I can't help but feel contempt for a man who is that much team women. How am I that much team women just because I don't spend all my free time shitting on them? A beta who has a false sense of either moral superiority because he thinks a man's value is in protecting the wamens, or masculine superiority because he thinks he's so above the top that wamens need protection while evil men should be given rough treatment. I do not argue in favor of placing woman on a pedestal though. That's j… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 11:13 AM |
| 8 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?Thinking "being a neurotic wreck and needing an online guide to learn to be confident and to have boundaries" are the only alternative to being BP is telling. I'm not saying that these are the only alternatives to BP. I'm saying that RP is hilariously neurotic, bitter and misogynistic. And I'm trying to point out how hilarious it is if TRPers try to call me beta, considering that I didn't need an online guide to learn about confidence and boundaries. So tell me. What makes me a beta, except for … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 10:59 AM |
| 5 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?Bitterness and misogyny are the only things that set RP apart from BP though. But let my try another one. How am I beta just because I'm not a neurotic wreck and because I didn't need an online guide to learn to be confident and to have boundaries? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 10:44 AM |
| 6 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?No-one seems to have considered the possibility that the old stereotypes were actually fairly accurate because men are different to women, and precisely in the way the old stereotypes identified. NOR that the new stereotypes harm men, and force men via bullying/shaming into behaviours they find unnatural and weird. If that's true then why are there significant gender differences in the willingness of men to cry? In the US men are unwilling to cry, but they also get called faggots for doing so. I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 10:39 AM |
| 8 | Q4Men - What Male Stereotypes Do You Wish Would Go Away?How am I a beta just because I'm neither bitter nor misogynistic? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/19 10:34 AM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (24 February 2019)Democrats: asking real questions Republicans: bUt WhAt AbOuT tHe BoOk DeAl | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/19 06:58 AM |
| 5 | Being a slut is advantageous to women in 2019http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1232690 The aim of this study was to explore how people’s sexual history affects their attractiveness. Using an Internet survey, 188 participants rated their willingness to engage in a relationship with a hypothetical individual with a specified number of past sexual partners, ranging from 0 to 60+. The effect of past partner number was very large. Average willingness ratings initially rose as past partner number rose, but then fell drama… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/19 11:18 AM |
| 2 | Do women really hate the idea of men improving themselves?Yes and I'm saying that women do not react negatively to the idea of men improving themselves. If anything they react positively. They react negatively to the misogyny and bitterness of TRP, but because TRPers aren't willing to argue against our actual complaints they came up with the disingenuous "women just hate men that improve themselves" argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/19 07:54 AM |
| 1 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (24 February 2019)I would venture a guess that the crossover between the two subs is very small. Yeah there's probably more crossover between TRP and gendercritical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/19 07:38 AM |
| 4 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (24 February 2019)How is their influence strong here? The bloobs here a pro-trans. You don't hear any of them use gendercritical talking points. If anything they are influencing the TeRPs that are like "trans people are mentally ill". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/19 07:35 AM |
| 14 | Do women really hate the idea of men improving themselves?That's just one of the many oversimplified and disingenuous RP arguments. Whenever we complain about the misogyny of TRP they try to use the disingenuous "but it's just men trying to improve themselves" argument, because they do not want to admit that things like "women are mentally like children" or "women are mentally handicapped and can't think logically" are misogynistic. By completely ignoring what we actually complain about the only thing that's left is the non-controversial self-improveme… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/19 11:50 AM |
| 2 | The misogyny of the red pill leads men into a hopeless dead end of despairSuccessful with all kinds of women. All kinds of women that just happen to perfectly fall in line with the typical anxious-preoccupied attached women. I think the fact that many successful men come up with the same conclusions about women once they have enough experience is pretty damn convincing. It's not convincing at all considering that you just ignore everything that doesn't fit into your narrow worldview. For example: why is it true only for women that what they say doesn't matter in regar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 02:32 PM |
| 2 | The misogyny of the red pill leads men into a hopeless dead end of despairJust regarding your last paragraph: I completely disagree. Within TRP, we unfortunately don't have measurable surveys it, but I am very successful with women (and was moderately successful before TRP) and was baffled to see all its principles applied in the SMP. With "women" or with "AWALTy women that reinforce your belief that all women are mentally handicapped children that crave drama and that don't know what they want"? It is congruen with my own experience that it applies to real life with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 01:37 PM |
| 6 | Women consider perception of value, Men consider the value in a market, a hypothesis about the different findings in TBP and TRP.Women have a skewed and an asymmetric bell-curve with the median value around the top 20% In the OkCupid study - which is a highly flawed data set - but not in real scientific studies. Don't place too much value on the OkCupid blog. It's influenced by too many biases. Like the fact that a rating of 3 or higher would notify the other party which obviously reduces the amount of average or higher ratings that get sent out. Or the fact that still pictures alone aren't enough to show the vibe and pre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 01:30 PM |
| 7 | Women consider perception of value, Men consider the value in a market, a hypothesis about the different findings in TBP and TRP.The only gap I can see is here, in those picture based rating systems. Because women don't find pictures of men as attractive as men find pictures of women. Your not getting an accurate rating of what most women actually think of most guys. True. In blind date studies they also do rate men along a nice bell curve. https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2008/01/21/the_speeddating_1/ We study dating behavior using data from a Speed Dating experiment where we generate random matching of subjects an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 11:40 AM |
| 3 | The misogyny of the red pill leads men into a hopeless dead end of despairThe manosphere and TRP wouldn't exist if there was a useful, actionable resource for men available in the marketplace. There isn't one, therefore men with problems find RP after searching the google for answers to their problems. If you need non-misogynistic and non-bitter advice you can just open any men's magazine like Maxim, GQ or Men's Health. These magazines are all about useful and actionable advice, but they aren't calling women mentally handicapped children and don't blame them for all t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 11:01 AM |
| 1 | Due to reading on pills, any other guys/girls out there that have just lost interest in romance?And TRP doesn't encourage this? How does TRP encourage them to be willing to share their fears and insecurities? It literally tries to achieve the opposite by telling them that she will absolutely cheat on them the minute they open minute about those things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 10:54 AM |
| 2 | Has anything ever made you really question the validity of your viewpoint?And that women stay perpetual children, are mentally handicapped, incapable of introspection, sociopathic, Macheviallian, solipsistic, etc Here are a few posts about AWALT from mods and the sidebar: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tcvz4/why_you_shouldnt_explain_female_nature_to_women/ Women are mentally handicapped as a factory setting upon birth to allow them to navigate the sexual market place to their advantage with optimized efficiency (no cognitive dissonance) while pursuing t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 08:07 AM |
| 1 | The misogyny of the red pill leads men into a hopeless dead end of despairbut they're statistically true No. These statements feel true to TRPers, but it's clear that AWALT is primarily based on bitterness but not on statistics. Well like any other redpiller, I tried and was baffled to see it worked, every single time. That's not how statistics work. Something is statistically true if it is statistically true, but not if you feel that it is true based on your personal anecdotes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Due to reading on pills, any other guys/girls out there that have just lost interest in romance?Maybe the terp method destroys some of the romance and fuzzy feelings of investment but for some people that's a small price to pay for drastically reducing the failure rate. Yes, TRP is a psychological defense mechanism, but that doesn't mean that it's the truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 12:58 AM |
| 1 | The misogyny of the red pill leads men into a hopeless dead end of despairLook, TRP is so popular because it works. Look, homeopathy is so popular because it works. Look, the belief in bigfoot is so popular because he's real. Look, flat earthers exist because it's the thruth. All fringe pseudoscience communities use that argument, but it doesn't make it true just because it feels true for them. There are countless stories of guys trying TRP, and once they really try it works with no exception. Yeah because you guys just ignore all exceptions and hamster everything to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/19 12:56 AM |
| 1 | Due to reading on pills, any other guys/girls out there that have just lost interest in romance?That's because those things go hand in hand, because it takes confidence to display vulnerability. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/19 07:40 PM |
| 4 | Due to reading on pills, any other guys/girls out there that have just lost interest in romance?That's exactly the problem. Sure there are horrible manipulative people that will exploit you and you can keep safe from them by never opening up. But by doing so you also keep the good people away that are open, accepting and trusting themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/19 05:49 PM |
| 1 | ISIS and Female AgencyActually they are less like "virgins" but more like "90 feet tall monsters with skin so transparent that you can see the bones below" and there's no restriction that only men get them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri The houris are mentioned in several passages of the Quran, always in plural form. No specifics are ever given, though, as to the number of houris that should be available to each believer. As for the gender of the houris, the Quran does not indicate that only men would be gran… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/19 04:56 PM |
| 10 | Due to reading on pills, any other guys/girls out there that have just lost interest in romance?RP beliefs are like a psychological defense mechanism: "I can't get hurt if I never let her close" If a plate breaks it's no problem because it was only his turn and committed relationships are out the question because women aren't loyal. Breaking the shell is achieved by opening up and letting her into your shell via open communication. Or in the words of Mark Manson: https://markmanson.net/power-in-vulnerability When most men hear the word “vulnerability,” their immediate reaction is to associ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/19 04:44 PM |
| 11 | Due to reading on pills, any other guys/girls out there that have just lost interest in romance?The hardboiled egg is the fact that their advice is aimed at achieving fantasy bonds and dysfunctional relationships. They think that women require an emotional roller-coaster, a push-pull dynamic and just enough attention to keep them hooked, but actual relationships require trust instead of dread, communication instead of amused mastery, friendship and equality instead of "women are children" , etc. If you want TRP advice you could just read the symptoms of a dismissive-avoidant attachment sty… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/19 01:41 PM |
| 23 | Due to reading on pills, any other guys/girls out there that have just lost interest in romance?It has the opposite effect for me, because it shows just how great my girlfriend and my relationship are. Reading TRP is like hearing people talk about how eating eggs nearly killed them because the crunchy part made them bleed in their mouth. Sure they might genuinely believe that eggs are shit and that no one could enjoy them, but I know that you aren't supposed to eat them with the shell. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/19 12:43 PM |
| 1 | How the red pill's rampant misogyny causes them to completely miss the obvious good advice and stunt their own users growthHow did I lose just because you think that "I hate rainy days" means the same as "I hate all days and I think that all days are rainy"? I didn't ran away. I just stopped replying because I have better things to do than wasting my time talking to a wall that doesn't even understand the English language. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/19 09:10 AM |
| 4 | (q4all) What is "good sex"?Here's an easy guide for amazing sex: Step 1: Take some LSD or MDMA together That's it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/19 08:05 AM |
| 2 | A common expressive around here is, "Boys were lied to their entire lives" in reference to their mothers, teachers, caregivers and other women in their lives. What are some examples of this?I always wondered if they show different versions of Disney movies in the US. Because I wouldn't say that Phoebus was ugly when Esmeralda chose him instead of Quasimodo nor that Aladin was ugly when he turned into the beautiful Prince Ali in order to attract Jasmine. They are always beautiful, charming, noble and rich princes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/19 06:55 AM |
| 3 | If Grievance Studies goes away from the Academy, will TRP start losing more followers?The number of Canadians that got thrown in jail for using the wrong pronoun since C-16 came into effect is zero, so what part of his fear mongering did come true? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 09:34 PM |
| 3 | Virgin women are massively overrated by Red’s. Lets debate.I think the guys who really want a virgin don't have a much sexual experience. There are several studies that support this idea. Despite common claims of the manosphere 33% of men don't even want to date virgins http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1232690 The aim of this study was to explore how people’s sexual history affects their attractiveness. Using an Internet survey, 188 participants rated their willingness to engage in a relationship with a hypothetical individual w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 08:50 PM |
| 1 | If Grievance Studies goes away from the Academy, will TRP start losing more followers?How about this tweet where he posted a video of well known alt-righter Sargon of Akkad or this one where he retweets a literal Nazi from /pol/? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 08:30 PM |
| 1 | If Grievance Studies goes away from the Academy, will TRP start losing more followers?Is this the sunk cost fallacy in action? How much have you paid for his books, shows and patreon account? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 08:10 PM |
| 2 | If Grievance Studies goes away from the Academy, will TRP start losing more followers?Alt-right people mostly believe that water is wet. If you also believe that water is wet, according to your "logic", you are therefore a nazi. Do you really think that this is an actual argument? That's just extreme black and white thinking, but nothing else. "water is wet" is a million times less specific than repeating alt-right talking points about climate change and retweeting popular alt-right talking heads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 08:04 PM |
| 2 | If Grievance Studies goes away from the Academy, will TRP start losing more followers?10/10 ad hominem, but I do not see any resemblance of an actual argument | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 07:49 PM |
| 5 | How many close male and female friends do you have IRL?Black pillers tend to get extremely triggered whenever women say anything on this board. By telling them that you are actually a man I can reduce the amount of reports I have to go through drastically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 07:03 PM |
| 2 | If Grievance Studies goes away from the Academy, will TRP start losing more followers?No he didn't repeat anything you ignorant feminist. Why so mad? He made his own study of the law, from the primary source, and went public with it. Which just happened to perfectly align with the already popular misinterpretations that were floating around in the alt-right. The alt-right picked up on the issues he highlighted. And he picked up on several issues of the alt-right when he retweeted them. Tell me: if he is such a serious scientist that cares about empirical facts, why does he repeat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 06:55 PM |
| 3 | If Grievance Studies goes away from the Academy, will TRP start losing more followers?Okay, so he repeats alt-right misinterpretations of the C-16 bill while being fully aware that the CBA already debunked this misinterpretation, retweets alt-right talking heads like Milo and Sargon of Akkad, defends alt-right people like Lauren Southern and Tommy Robinson, is a vocal climate change denier, etc etc... but there's no connection at all? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 06:49 PM |
| 3 | How many close male and female friends do you have IRL?PSA: this OP isn't actually a woman even though he has girl in his username. It's just some guy that likes to catfish. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 06:39 PM |
| 2 | If Grievance Studies goes away from the Academy, will TRP start losing more followers?How many people were arrested in Canada for using the wrong pronouns since the C-16 bill came into effect? Oh yeah zero because he misinterpreted the law, as the Canadian Bar Association and the lawmakers constantly pointed out. If he cared about facts he would have listened to experts on this topic instead of relying on his poorly-informed layman opinion, but considering that he still kept pushing his misinterpretation even though he's been directly called out it really does seem like he tried … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 06:27 PM |
| 1 | If Grievance Studies goes away from the Academy, will TRP start losing more followers?Sure, Academia is filled with irrational charlatans, but people like Jordan Peterson that deliberately misinterpret the law to pander to the alt-right and that think that climate change is merely a Chinese hoax are trustworthy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Is neoteny caused by domestication the reason why men's testosterone, bones, bodies and behavior have changed so drastically in the past few generations?But "people married young in the past therefore puberty started early" isn't my argument. It's their argument and Muhammad was only used to highlight that it isn't a good argument. I used studies to support my argument. If you had actually read the comments before replying you would have noticed that my argument was based on this scientific article: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/female-puberty-starting-earlier-2012-10 They found that in 1860, the average age of the onset of puberty in girls… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 05:57 PM |
| 2 | How the red pill's rampant misogyny causes them to completely miss the obvious good advice and stunt their own users growthWhat felonies (except for drug use of course)? I'm not from the US. Where I'm from teens having sex with other teens is normal because we don't have the same puritan attitudes towards sex as the US. Each of my sexual encounters was perfectly legal and none of the girls think that it was rape. Not even their parents were mad when they offered me breakfast the next morning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 05:51 PM |
| 1 | Is neoteny caused by domestication the reason why men's testosterone, bones, bodies and behavior have changed so drastically in the past few generations?Then you should have noticed that I used studies to support my argument and that I used Muhammad to show that their argument is unscientific. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 05:36 PM |
| 4 | Is neoteny caused by domestication the reason why men's testosterone, bones, bodies and behavior have changed so drastically in the past few generations?How did you manage to completely miss the whole point? You know that you should read comments before replying to them, right? I'm not using Muhammad to support a scientific argument. I'm using him to show that their "people married young in the past therefore puberty started early" argument is inherently flawed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 05:29 PM |
| 1 | Is neoteny caused by domestication the reason why men's testosterone, bones, bodies and behavior have changed so drastically in the past few generations?Okay, then explain me what caused that 6 years puberty age change I already gave several explanations like childhood obesity and exposure to chemicals. and why the fuck in the first place puberty would took place in 16? Why not? Our ancient ancestors lived for around 30 years (except those who died as children) and 16 looks unreasonable and scientists agree that they had it around modern values. Which scientists agree that they had it around modern values? The only "evidence" you provided was th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 04:52 PM |
| 3 | Is neoteny caused by domestication the reason why men's testosterone, bones, bodies and behavior have changed so drastically in the past few generations?I think there is unscientific propaganda in America. How is it unscientific propaganda just because you don't trust scientific sources and because you didn't even know that there's a significant link between obesity and an early onset of puberty? Things are unscientific if they are unscientific, but not just if you don't want them to be true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 04:09 PM |
| 6 | Is neoteny caused by domestication the reason why men's testosterone, bones, bodies and behavior have changed so drastically in the past few generations?Obesity is unlikely to cause earlier puberty. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5664767/ The number of girls with early puberty was significantly higher in the obese group than the normal weight group https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/4/e014004 Earlier pubertal development was positively associated with obesity and central obesity in Chinese children. There is a significant link. I suggest to find some info on earlier medieval age in Europe, though and at what age it was common to mar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 03:08 PM |
| 4 | Is neoteny caused by domestication the reason why men's testosterone, bones, bodies and behavior have changed so drastically in the past few generations?Why is it questionable? There's lots of data out there that supports it. We even know that some of the culprits are chemicals and childhood obesity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 02:35 PM |
| 13 | Is neoteny caused by domestication the reason why men's testosterone, bones, bodies and behavior have changed so drastically in the past few generations?This process would have happened much slower than a few generations. More plausible explanations are not enough exposure to sun We need vitamin D to produce testosterone, but people nowadays spend most days indoors. obesity and laziness Self-explanatory we are putting chemicals in the water that turn the freaking frogs gay Our water supply is contaminated with plastics, hormones, antibiotics and lots of other chemicals. Puberty now starts on average 6 years earlier than a hundred years ago, but … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 11:22 AM |
| 2 | How the red pill's rampant misogyny causes them to completely miss the obvious good advice and stunt their own users growthWhy do braindead and stubborn women and bluepilled men refuse to admit to the truth ? Yeah. Why do braindead people who deny that Bigfoot is real refuse to admit the truth? Why do stubborn eviltheists who claim that the earth is a sphere refuse to admit the truth that the earth is flat? Things aren't the truth just because your bitterness makes you feel that way. Why do women on here keep making threads trying to prove something? Because the TBPers and women here care about facts. You come here … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/19 07:47 AM |
| 1 | Am I the only one who notices that men who discover TRP tend to be broken in some way?Sure I agree that TRP is primarily based on bitterness, but bitter feelings simply aren't the same as facts. There's a reason why RP theories are known as an insecure attachment style. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/19 07:59 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most disagreements with TRP philosophy stem from thinking about it in a voidIt's more like people that misinterpret a study, why do you still cling to your misinterpretation even if I quote the author debunking it You don't have to agree with me. But if you rely on a study you should at least rely on their actual conclusions and not on your feelings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/19 07:06 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Most disagreements with TRP philosophy stem from thinking about it in a voidHow does that matter though? Facts stay facts even if you guys get triggered whenever you see my username. If Hitler would say that 2+2=4 it would be just as true as if Ghandi said it. If Stalin would say that the earth isn't flat it would still be a fact even though he was an asshole. Similarly it doesn't make any difference if it is me, Hitler or even Mother Theresa that cites the actual conclusions of the studies or quotes the authors. Facts stay facts no matter who states them. And facts als… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/19 07:04 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most disagreements with TRP philosophy stem from thinking about it in a voidAre "plenty of reasons" = "do not like to read the actual conclusions of the studies" and "don't want to hear the author of the study explain that it is a common misinterpretation"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/19 06:37 PM |
| 12 | When dating a man, take maybe 5% of what he says seriously.TRPers are so hilarious. "When dating a woman, take maybe 5% of what she says seriously" - perfectly fine and if you disagree you are just a brainwashed cuck "When dating a man, take maybe 5% of what he says seriously" - REPORT REPORT REPORT | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/19 04:51 PM |
| 2 | Am I the only one who notices that men who discover TRP tend to be broken in some way?RP theories are actually just a list of symptoms of a dismissive-avoidant attachment style and all their theories about women and relationships are based on the subset of anxious-preoccupied women. I think this is the best summary: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201304/what-makes-man-great-romantic-partner Anxiously attached people are afraid that they will be left uncared for, and therefore are more likely to be the needy ones in an adult relationship. People who ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/19 10:58 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Most disagreements with TRP philosophy stem from thinking about it in a voidThey scoff at what RP says without ever really getting to the core of why it's even wrong. We do. It just gets ignored completely because the severe cognitive rigidity and willfull ignorance of TRPers prevents them from remembering those arguments. It's at least once per month that I have to tell the same users why the studies they rely on do not actually support their argument. They might agree in the moment, but the next day it's like it never happened and they are back spouting their debunked… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/19 11:23 PM |
| 3 | New Study (2019) says Online dating is now the most popular way of meeting partners surpassing meeting through friends. So Online Dating = Real Life Dating.The actual conclusions are that looks matter much less to women, but because TRPers do not care about facts at all it got turned around to the opposite. we've discussed the okcupid study to death. Yeah but it seems like none of it stuck. How about two alternate sources that refute your claim? Men's Looks Matter More Than Women Admit, Study Shows How does this refute my claim? "looks matter more to women than they admit" is not the same as "looks matter more to women than to men" Here is a breakd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/19 11:03 AM |
| 5 | New Study (2019) says Online dating is now the most popular way of meeting partners surpassing meeting through friends. So Online Dating = Real Life Dating.The data isn't too red pilled. The misinterpretations of the manosphere are too redpilled, because the OkCupid study simply doesn't support what you guys want it to say. The actual conclusions are that looks matter much less to women, but because TRPers do not care about facts at all it got turned around to the opposite. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/19 09:48 AM |
| 7 | New Study (2019) says Online dating is now the most popular way of meeting partners surpassing meeting through friends. So Online Dating = Real Life Dating.OKC deleted their post releasing the data. It ended up being cited one too many times by not-so politically correct peoples. It ended up being mis-cited too often because incels are too triggered to even read the studies they quote. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/19 09:21 AM |
| 5 | Do women prefer to be viewed as human beings or loved for a character assumed to be naturally prone to no accountablity?So which is it? Why is it so difficult to conceive that taking women off the pedestal and into the realm of 'holding her as responsible for her actions as I would any adult man' is throwing them in the gutter? And yet if women are (as the founders of Red Pill conceived, as did Schopenhauer) literally *incapable* of acting justly and fairly, then why is an ideology which encourages men to love women despite, possibly even FOR that essential character 'flaw', so despised? Schopenhauer wrote his On… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/19 07:55 AM |
| 2 | What do you think of gender essentialism?There are truths to nature AND truths to nurture. I don't like to debate the gender =/= sex thing. Gender roles have biological AND societal/historical elements in their makeup. Gender roles are, largely, societally based around historical biological necessity. Gender =/= sex simply because it's easier to have different words to express different things. Gender roles are socially constructed roles and thus differ from culture to culture (like men being expected to wear their hair short or pink f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/19 09:06 PM |
| 1 | True BluePill alternative to RedPill ?The conclusion is that it's functional. My conclusion is that dysfunctional relationship patterns aren't what I would call functional. So regardless of any of our opinions, it works. We just have different definitions for "works". Yes it works better than playing video games in a basement all day, but for me that's a very low bar for "works". If your youth is to be believed, I have no damn clue why you, of all people, would not take one look and go "yeah." For me it's not "yeah that's how women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/19 04:01 PM |
| 1 | True BluePill alternative to RedPill ?Absolutely disagree. Its spot on. And I've seen plenty of OBSERVATIONS to support this. I don't use the word "anecdote" because the very start of a 'scientific hypothesis' is to observe. They fashioned what they observed into a tool. And when it become easily reproducible thus functional, anecdotal response just aren't appropriate. It's used as dismissal more than anything else. The very start of a scientific hypothesis are empirical observations, but not cherry-picked personal anecdotes. Your o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/19 01:45 PM |
| 4 | Q4Men: If women are the ones who are cruel and unsympathetic to men, why is the internet so chock full of men mocking women, but not the other way around?The logical explanation is that the manosphere is simply filled with men that get triggered anytime a woman or a feminist says anything. It's always like TRPer: Women are mentally like children and that's a fact. If you do not believe me read this [study which doesn't support their argument at all] TBPer: Your source doesn't actually support your argument because [paragraphs of the study which were obviously never read by the TRPer] TRPer: You just hate men! Stop personally attacking me! Women h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/19 01:30 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Women have no sympathy for men.These just show they prefer. Doesn't say they equally rate attractiveness as important as men do. LOL look in any romance book. Look at the kinds of men that women prefer to read about. That still doesn't support your argument. Your feelings on this matter simply aren't the same as facts. If you want to convince us you've got to provide facts instead of telling us about your feelings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/19 12:14 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: What is a good alternative to the manosphere for sexually and romantically unsuccessful young men?You could try to read something like Maxim, GQ or Men's Health. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/19 08:24 AM |
| 1 | True BluePill alternative to RedPill ?There is no need for a true blue pill sub, because mainstream media is already filled with dating advice for men - even though TRPers think that Disney movies are the only mainstream source for mainstream dating advice. If you need non-misogynistic and non-bitter advice you can just open any men's magazine like Maxim, GQ or Men's Health. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/19 08:04 AM |
| 10 | Are Red Pilled men the only men who truly understand and respect Women?Just as much as creationists are the only ones that truly understand evolution: they don't - they just feel like they are experts because they ignore any evidence that goes against their feelings. It's no surprise that there is a direct correlation between belief in TRP and a lack of sexual success, bitterness, autism, poor reading comprehension, being a shut-in, extreme black and white thinking and severe cognitive rigidity. There's a reason why it's primarily incels and guys that needed an onl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/19 07:45 AM |
| 1 | Red Pill knowledge in history and ancient civilizationsEven in the Disney Hunchback version Esmeralda hooks up with tall, blonde, beautiful Chad Phoebus while Hunchback has to watch like a cuck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/19 07:55 AM |
| 2 | Red Pill knowledge in history and ancient civilizationsDidn't it end with Esmeralda falling in love with the tall, blonde and strong Chad Phoebus? Where's the blue pill programming here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/19 07:53 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Most women don't have 'rape fantasies'Well there is a huge difference between aversive and erotic rape fantasies. Erotic rape fantasies - the most common kind of rape fantasies - are fantasies where she imagines something like her husband sleeping with her while she is asleep. Those are fantasies where she consents to getting ravashed by a man she wants to sleep with. Aversive rape fantasies - which typically show up for victims of prolonged childhood sexual abuse - are fantasies about actually getting raped in a painful, scary and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/19 10:51 AM |
| 6 | Discussion - Study shows that women, even feminists, are attracted to men who are benevolent sexists.TRP: Women hate nice guys and are only attracted to assholes because Ted Bundy got love letters while he was in prison Also TRP: Checkmate feminists! Women love men that are nice to them even though feminists complain about sexist assholes! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/19 11:19 AM |
| 2 | The redpill/backpill are helpful strategies for keeping you from getting hurt, but will prevent you from ever finding true love"some incels claim it" isn't the same as "it has been established" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/19 03:23 PM |
| 1 | The redpill/backpill are helpful strategies for keeping you from getting hurt, but will prevent you from ever finding true loveThe arguments in favor of my reality are psychological research and studies. The arguments in favor of RP are hurt feelings, bitterness, autistic misinterpretations of studies and "but you are just a brainwashed blue piller". So how am I out of touch with reality just because I don't believe in the delusions of TRPers? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/19 11:46 AM |
| 4 | The redpill/backpill are helpful strategies for keeping you from getting hurt, but will prevent you from ever finding true loveThat's not "women". Those are rare outlier women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 09:38 PM |
| 3 | The redpill/backpill are helpful strategies for keeping you from getting hurt, but will prevent you from ever finding true loveFacts don't cease to exist just because you don't want them to be true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 09:20 PM |
| 6 | The redpill/backpill are helpful strategies for keeping you from getting hurt, but will prevent you from ever finding true loveThe RP is not just about identifying shitty behaviour in women. It is also about understanding the biological nature and tendencies of women. Clearly, this information will apply to most women, not some collection of women on the fringe. The problem here is that they are relying on outliers to draw conclusions about female nature. A prominent example are all those that fall in the "but women wrote love letters to Ted Bundy" category. RP is no different than looking out of your window as proof th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 07:47 PM |
| 7 | The redpill/backpill are helpful strategies for keeping you from getting hurt, but will prevent you from ever finding true loveThat's attachment theory 101. And you are right: those pills are indeed a defense mechanism. If a plate breaks its not like he cared in the first place, and if he starts to think about relationships he reminds himself that it's only his turn and that you should never develop oneitis. By distancing themselves from others they can prevent themselves from getting hurt. All their knowledge of women is based on a subset of anxious-preoccupied women and all their knowledge about relationships on relat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 07:39 PM |
| 7 | Why are there no heated debates between the women of PPD?No, you're just harping about toxic masculinity all the fucking time All I'm doing is pointing out that "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" is not the same as "men are toxic", and now you actually use that as proof that I generalize all men as being toxic... The men here tend to be unable to tell the difference between "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" and "men are toxic", the best arguments they can come up with boil down to "you are lying" or "yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 05:51 PM |
| 10 | Why are there no heated debates between the women of PPD?How am I making sweeping generalizations about any gender? If anything I'm telling TRPers that they shouldn't use their own feelings to generalize all men, because most men do not share their neurotic insecurities and bitterness. And how is pointing out the flaws in TRP and debunking their misinterpretations the same as being thoroughly on Team Women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 04:08 PM |
| 2 | Make her feel SOMETHINGThat's true for a minority of women, but not for women in general. Women with an anxious-preoccupied attachment style have this "emotional hunger" that makes them attracted to these emotional roller-coasters and push-pull dynamics, but just because TRPers select for them this doesn't mean that the same is true for normal women as well. Reminder: AWALT doesn't describe women in general; in fact it's based on outliers. It's simply a description of women with an anxious-preoccupied attachment style… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 03:23 PM |
| 9 | Why are there no heated debates between the women of PPD?Followed by "it's an empirical fact that women love assholes because Ted Bundy got love letters in prison" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 03:17 PM |
| 5 | Why are there no heated debates between the women of PPD?Nothing about trp concepts basical logical argumentation, elimination. Is that supposed to be a sentence? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 03:05 PM |
| 6 | Why are there no heated debates between the women of PPD?The women here usually cant argue their way out of a paper bag and fail to process basic logic in their heads. This includes you You've got to consider that they aren't unable to process basic logic just because you are unable to understand that TRP isn't objectively true just because it feels true to you. "coming up with sound and logical arguments against TRP delusions", "using studies instead of personal anecdotes" and "not blindly agreeing with TRP delusions" aren't the same thing as "not be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 02:33 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: Yes, merely asking a woman out for drinks can frequently get you accused of harassment.Is she? I know that she is for affirmative consent, but that standard allows non-verbal consent | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 02:20 PM |
| 9 | Why are there no heated debates between the women of PPD?Someone with such a high IQ as yourself should be able to tell that these users are nothing like me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 12:55 PM |
| 12 | Why are there no heated debates between the women of PPD?The women here also tend to be able to tell the difference between individual users based on their writing styles instead of assuming that they are all just sockpuppet accounts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 12:44 PM |
| 21 | Why are there no heated debates between the women of PPD?The women here tend to have college degrees, are good at articulating arguments and are good writers. The men here tend to be unable to tell the difference between "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" and "men are toxic", the best arguments they can come up with boil down to "you are lying" or "you are just a woman" and they don't even know what half the words they are using mean. But sure it's the women that have low IQs and not the guys that need an online guide to learn … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 12:42 PM |
| 19 | Why are there no heated debates between the women of PPD?It's really simple: whenever a woman says something that doesn't fit into the fantasy world of TRP they get accused of lying and get told how they actually feel instead Women will always seem like a hivemind if you constantly hamster them to be that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 12:38 PM |
| 1 | "Red Pill" males cannot define or describe "Blue Pill" in a way that "Blue Pill" males will defendActually it's like TBP: here's a thing TRP: here's a thing, because women are mentally like children | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/19 07:33 AM |
| 1 | Do you consider MtF trans women to be women?the recommended "treatment" isn't treating them at all. it's just encouraging their illness. it's motivated by SJW/liberal politics, not helping these people to get better. It does help those people immensely. Their suicide rates and mental health problems are caused by the fact that they aren't allowed to live according to true nature. If they can transition they can often lead a normal life without constant depression. It's the recommended treatment because it works so well. this whole "male b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/19 10:51 PM |
| – | CMV: The vagina of a high partner count woman is more likely to be lose than one who isn't as experiencedNo incel threads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/19 10:52 AM |
| 0 | Why do some men think niceness is supposed to illicit a sexual response?Women didn't flock to him. Some rare outlier women that have been victims of severe and prolonged childhood abuse flocked to him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/19 10:37 AM |
| 1 | Do you consider MtF trans women to be women?fuck no. they are men with severe mental illness who have mutilated their bodies. They aren't just mutilating their bodies. They get the recommended treatment to get rid of their mental illness. Transitioning drastically reduces the suicide risk and dramatically increases their mental health. If they can transition in an accepting environment they have normal levels of mental health and suicide rate, which means that they aren't considered to be mentally ill. They are only mentally ill because p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/19 09:44 AM |
| 1 | Do you consider MtF trans women to be women?They are genetically abnormal people and are intersex. Maybe I should have specified genetically normal men. Transgender people are technically intersex. They've got the chromosomes of one sex, but due to hormonal issues they've got the brain of the other sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/19 09:40 AM |
| 1 | Do you consider MtF trans women to be women?Men born with a Y chromosome who "transition" to women are still genetically men. "genetically men" is not a thing. They are genetically male. "men" and "women" are social constructs, meaning that there is no objective definition. Things like "there are two genders" or "every male is a man" are merely cultural opinions, but not facts. In some cultures, like Native American tribes before the settlers came or even in Iran, transgender people have a much easier time getting recognized as their pref… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/19 08:14 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: it's time to retire the "revenge fantasy" deflection tacticThanks for providing what I've asked about. You win this time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/19 09:37 AM |
| 3 | Discussion: it's time to retire the "revenge fantasy" deflection tacticThat's not what I asked for so stop moving the goal post. The topic was "women are physically weaker than men". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 06:29 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: it's time to retire the "revenge fantasy" deflection tacticYou've got to consider that for us even sidebar articles like The Oldest Teenager in the House show misogyny. TRPers generally do not see these things as misogyny, because in their eyes those are just facts. But even Schopenhauer himself later admitted that On Women was written while he was angry about his mother and that he later got to know more women. This didn't prevent TRP from making it the central piece of one of their key sidebar articles. The misogyny is spread throughout it, but it's i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 06:09 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: it's time to retire the "revenge fantasy" deflection tacticIf Sayng “women are weaker then men” is prejudice.... then by extension, its now misogyny and it’s now being used in exactly this way all over the place. Show an example please where someone said that something like "women tend to be physically weaker than men" is misandry, because in my opinion the eye-rolling must have been caused by this strawman argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 05:21 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Being Easily-Shamed Is Not AttractiveDo not invalidate their personal experiences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 05:14 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Being Easily-Shamed Is Not AttractiveMost of the casual sex happens between friends and acquaintances, and well toxic people generally don't even have lots of (non-toxic) friends. And even the one study on dark triad men that TRP loves to cite showed that their higher number of sexual partners is mainly due to them having lower standards, pretending to be nice to gain initial attraction or hooking up with people that are just as DT as them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 05:12 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: it's time to retire the "revenge fantasy" deflection tacticThat was an impressive jump, good sir; from what I've observed, all of RP theories have at least some basis in reality, with some speculative part stretched onto that basis. "any actual basis" Like sure there are women that write love letters to serial killers, but that's not proof that women in general are attracted to assholes. And sure women that willingly associate themselves with TRPers might just be childlike, illoyal, manipulative, lacking in future oriented thinking and without any knowl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 05:08 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Being Easily-Shamed Is Not AttractiveNot remotely true, because that would make most women either toxic or broken Most women do not sleep with toxic men no matter how hard TRP wishes that they do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 04:59 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Being Easily-Shamed Is Not AttractiveIn my experience women always prefer regularly masculine men over toxically masculine men. Those that sleep with toxic men are usually toxic themselves (or broken and believe that they don't deserve any better) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 04:51 PM |
| 0 | Psychologically profiling the Niceguy (TM) and his similarity to the archetypical SJWAs I've said before multiple times: you (personal you) have no leg to stand on when it comes to claims of moral superiority; and you're the last person who should even think about lecturing others in that regard. And I have to ask again: how is debunking RP misinterpretations of feminist topics the same as claiming moral superiority? My username literally states that I'm a bigger douche than you (or that I have a bigger dick), so I literally do not understand how I am claiming moral superiority … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 04:38 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Being Easily-Shamed Is Not AttractiveHow are women rewarding toxic masculinity? (note: I'm explicitly asking about toxic masculinity but not about masculinity in general) If you are too afraid of getting called a faggot to get a prostate exam or to eat vegetables that doesn't help your dating chances at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 04:36 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: it's time to retire the "revenge fantasy" deflection tacticThen we need more arguments that debunk the "reality" part and less "you're just bitter" arguments. These arguments do show up all the time, but the problem is that any criticism of TRP simply gets brushed off as man-hating lies (as pointed out by this comment). Even if we simply point out that TRP misinterpreted a study we get told that we should stop personally attacking TRPers and that we just hate men. TRPers don't dismiss arguments with "You're just a woman obsessed with torturing, raping a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Psychologically profiling the Niceguy (TM) and his similarity to the archetypical SJWYou still haven't managed to explain how this relates to this topic. How does my past prevent me from being able to point out that most things TRPers know about feminism is either an oversimplified strawman argument or an absurd misinterpretation? How does my past prevent me from explaining to TRPers what words mean and from pointing out that they lack the necessary reading comprehension to even understand feminist concepts? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 04:29 PM |
| 4 | Discussion: it's time to retire the "revenge fantasy" deflection tacticHe did in real life what these movies depict. In these movies women get brutally raped and then take revenge on their rapists. Elliot Rodgers was too afraid to approach women so he decided to kill some because they didn't see what a perfectly nice gentleman he was. How are these two things the same considering that one is based on justified revenge while the other is based on entitlement? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 02:39 PM |
| 6 | Discussion: it's time to retire the "revenge fantasy" deflection tacticThis doesn't debunk the fact that lots of RP theories are merely revenge fantasies without any actual basis in reality. If you want to debunk the idea that things like "if you have pre-marital sex you are going to die alone because no man wants to date a slut" or "women that are older than 24 are useless and no man wants them because they hit the wall" are revenge fantasies you've got to show that it is actually true, but not just that there are revenge-fantasy movies for women. "women do it too… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 02:34 PM |
| 1 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.Can you quote where they said that masculinity is inherently wrong and not that some aspects of traditional masculinity are harmful to men? https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/01/ce-corner.aspx But something is amiss for men as well. Men commit 90 percent of homicides in the United States and represent 77 percent of homicide victims. They’re the demographic group most at risk of being victimized by violent crime. They are 3.5 times more likely than women to die by suicide, and their life expectancy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 01:50 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Being Easily-Shamed Is Not AttractiveAren't you just perpetuating toxic masculinity here? Nope, because I'm not using it as a way to question their maleness. I'm merely wondering why the men here tend to be that way, but I'm not saying that they aren't real men for taking everything extremely personally. You're basically attacking men for taking things personally, and speaking out about how they feel. I'm not attacking them for speaking up. I'm asking why they would even see such things as a personal attack, because they quite clea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 01:41 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Being Easily-Shamed Is Not AttractiveI still wonder why the men here tend to be so extremely easily triggered by anything and why they take everything so extremely personally. It's always like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" and they are like "that's misandry. That's a horrible attack on all men. You can't just claim that I'm toxic for having control over my feelings" inb4: "but I'm not easily triggered and I do not take everything personally. How can you just claim such horrible things about me" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 12:49 PM |
| 3 | Psychologically profiling the Niceguy (TM) and his similarity to the archetypical SJWIt means that SJWs have a tendancy to use the logic of intersectionality to create groups where they exclude others they don't want to share the status of being a victim with. Intersectionality means that everyone is privileged and oppressed in some regards. It means that there are no clear victims. It means that not all white men are inherently privileged, because they could be oppressed based on their sexuality, political beliefs, height, etc Easiest example is TERFs. Intersectional feminism a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 12:30 PM |
| 2 | Psychologically profiling the Niceguy (TM) and his similarity to the archetypical SJWGive us your definition of intersectionality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 11:09 AM |
| 1 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.No one addresses radical, they address academic or the APA , this is a reframe , stop straw man. How is the APA anti-men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 11:00 AM |
| 5 | Psychologically profiling the Niceguy (TM) and his similarity to the archetypical SJWPsychologically seen Nice Guys are indistinguishable from low-functioning psychopaths. If you read up on signs how to spot psychopaths you will notice that each and every single one of them applies to Nice Guys as well. For example both of them morph from perfectly nice Dr. Jekyll into asshole Mr. Hyde if their attempts at manipulation do not work out or if they no longer have any use for the other person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 10:26 AM |
| 1 | True Purplepillers, what do you find problematic with each pill's respective ideology?Is critizing TRPers the same as critizing each and every man? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/19 06:42 AM |
| 1 | True Purplepillers, what do you find problematic with each pill's respective ideology?I still only see disagreement with the RP theory that women lack empathy and that they observed that the RP men here tend to rely on projection. Where exactly is the "all men are bad and oppress all women, they have no reason to complain and women are wonderful" stuff? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/19 09:30 PM |
| 1 | True Purplepillers, what do you find problematic with each pill's respective ideology?But where is the "all men are bad and oppress all women, they have no reason to complain and women are wonderful" stuff you promised me? Did you read the OP? It's all over it! Where? Is this the correct thread? I see here all the time that women are the ones lacking in empathy. But men are more likely to rely on what they want to project to define others. That's what you do when you don't want to bother actually getting to know someone. Can you point out where you see the "all men are bad and op… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/19 09:02 PM |
| 0 | True Purplepillers, what do you find problematic with each pill's respective ideology?Everything? I see that they think that TRP isn't correct in their assessment that women lack empathy, because in their opinion men tend to rely on solipsism more than women. But where is the "all men are bad and oppress all women, they have no reason to complain and women are wonderful" stuff you promised me? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/19 06:54 PM |
| 0 | True Purplepillers, what do you find problematic with each pill's respective ideology?Then you are not paying attention; I haven't. So please show me some examples please. that is the subtext of their entire argument, that any problems that men face is their own fault because they have all the power, as if all men were CEOs and politicians or if those who were cared about other men, at all. The problem with this is that I often get accused of doing that, but I have never gotten an concrete answer to why TRPers get that impression. I'm still convinced that they are just seeing wha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/19 05:26 PM |
| 1 | True Purplepillers, what do you find problematic with each pill's respective ideology?There are women with a penis. Therefore it isn't true, even if they are rare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/19 03:47 PM |
| 1 | True Purplepillers, what do you find problematic with each pill's respective ideology?Um, no; no it is not, by any stretch of the imagination. I haven't seen a noticeable amount of TBPers here insisting that men bad / women good. BP thinks that men are oppressing women in society and have no reason to complain about anything because they are the majority of CEOs and politicians. Show me how TBPers are doing this, because I just don't see it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/19 12:48 PM |
| 0 | True Purplepillers, what do you find problematic with each pill's respective ideology?Example. Women don't have a penis. This statement is true but problematic to the left. Because it isn't true. Just like how "all men are attracted to women" isn't true either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/19 08:27 AM |
| 0 | True Purplepillers, what do you find problematic with each pill's respective ideology?The blue pill is sheer delusion; anyone who thinks about it for a moment realizes that the situation is more complicated than, "Man bad, woman good," and the people who insist upon it have the stench of desperation about them. I've never seen a TBPer here state this. BP isn't the polar opposite of RP, it's "man and women are equal. They are just people and some people are good and others bad". What I've seen though is that TRPers will interpret anything that isn't explicitly against women as an … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/19 08:25 AM |
| 1 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.Just because I missed something doesn't mean I am trolling. If this would be the first time I would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but you are doing this all the time. It's obvious to anyone that you are being annoying on purpose. You are clearly not even reading the things you are replying to so it's obvious that you aren't here to debate, but only to annoy people with your mere presence. Falsely accuse me of trolling again and I take it to mod mail and advocate for you to be removed … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/19 11:02 AM |
| 1 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.Growing things is easy, hunting isn't. This might be, but does it justify things like "if your boyfriend doesn't know how to hunt you've got a girlfriend"? Don't you think that constantly hearing things like that could influence the dietary choices of men? Meat allows for muscle growth and overall good biochemestry of the body, including high levels of testosterone. Vegans have higher levels of testosterone on average. Isn't it just senseless gatekeeping that people will ignore just like the wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/19 08:14 AM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm simply asking for an explanation of those cultural differences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/19 06:56 AM |
| 1 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.I'm not accusing you of trolling. I'm warning you to stop trolling. I observed that you were trolling. Accusing me of not doing things right after I did them is trolling. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 09:42 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Clarify, entirely a social construct. Well that's why I said that they are related. I think there’s far more biological influence on cultural mores than is credited. I disagree that you can separate and isolate masculinity from male nature. But we can do our best to try to figure it out. If something is universally true across the globe it's a sex difference (biological), but if it differs from culture to culture it's a gender difference (social). Toy preferences in children are a sex difference… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 09:41 PM |
| 1 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.I like how you didn't quote them where they said traditional masculinity is bad. Go figure. Stop trolling. See this as a warning. It's right there in the middle: Thirteen years in the making, they draw on more than 40 years of research showing that traditional masculinity is psychologically harmful and that socializing boys to suppress their emotions causes damage that echoes both inwardly and outwardly. Stop accusing me of not doing things right after I did them. And how exactly does this refut… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 09:08 PM |
| 2 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Then you disagree with the dictionary and don't even understand what people are talking about when they mention "toxic masculinity". It's simply easier to have one term for the biological aspect (male nature) and one for the cultural aspect (masculinity), especially for fields like psychology because otherwise it would just be confusing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 09:04 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?There is something that can be called toxic masculinity. No one talking about it though is worried about men, they are worried about women. That's a strawman argument. The majority of articles about toxic masculinity focus on problems that affect men, but not on problems caused by men. People talking about meat eating as toxic are not doing it because they care about men, they care about women. It's either men that want to live in a world where they can order a vegan meal without getting laughed… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 08:55 PM |
| 1 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.You mean your bullshit argument where apparently YOU get to decide what is and isn't attacking men? Who exactly made you the authority figure on that? https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/01/ce-corner.aspx But something is amiss for men as well. Men commit 90 percent of homicides in the United States and represent 77 percent of homicide victims. They’re the demographic group most at risk of being victimized by violent crime. They are 3.5 times more likely than women to die by suicide, and their life… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 08:40 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?But only in America, so it can’t be ‘toxic masculinity’, because otherwise it would be endemic around the world, well, at least where there are human men. Nope. That's a misinterpretation that's based on the fact that you are using a different definition of "masculinity" than the dictionary, feminists or academics. Masculinity is a social construct, meaning that it refers to cultural ideas. Male nature is something different (although obviously related). We aren't talking about male nature, we a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 08:37 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?It's quoted somewhere in the APA article. But give me some time and I might compile a list. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 08:07 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Because America isn’t the world. Yes, but that doesn't answer my question. Also, that doesn’t sound empirical at all, that sounds totally anecdotal. Since when are studies anecdotal? Assuming a correlation between two things and then saying it is causes by ‘toxic masculinity’ is absolutely a strawman conclusion. Then give another explanation. Why are American men that strongly adhere to traditional notions of American masculinity unwilling to eat vegetables, but not French men that strongly adhe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 08:07 PM |
| 2 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Why? I'm not the one arguing that this is bad, or should be corrected - you are, and to haven't even proven that these jokes ARE the cause, you're just running with it. Let me ask again: if these kinds of jokes aren't the cause, what else causes this cultural difference? If these are merely harmful jokes that do not affect men at all, where else is this difference coming from? Weirdly enough, because then you and yours get to write these winded blog posts about how awful men are and how they oug… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 05:51 PM |
| 1 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.Yeah I believe you, but I've never experienced it. "if you want to be tall you need to eat soup" is a popular advice. Might be cultural tho (I'm not american) This is just not a part of the construction of masculinity in your culture. There are lots of gender norms like real men hunt, vegans aren't real men or meat is manly in the US. As the APA states men in the US are shamed away from eating vegetables and there's a significant gender difference in the willingness to eat vegetables, which does… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 05:46 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?If it's just a strawman, then please explain why there is a significant gender difference in the willingness to eat vegetables in the US but not in other cultures. Why is it that American men that strongly adhere to traditional notions of masculinity tend to be unwilling to eat vegetables, but not masculine men from other cultures? You can't just hand-wave these empirical facts away by using your personal anecdotes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 05:40 PM |
| 2 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Okay, so your argument is that it's impossible that these jokes can negatively affect the lives of men? If these are just harmless jokes that do not matter at all, then please explain why there is a significant gender difference in the willingness to eat vegetables in the US, but not in cultures where these jokes don't exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 05:38 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?How is the APA sure it not just seeing the effects of poverty? Because they can compare it to countries like France, where the gender difference in the amount of vegetables they eat is much smaller and where men that adhere to traditional notions of (French) masculinity don't tend to be unwilling to eat vegetables. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 05:27 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Where? To the place where "Now eat your vegetables or you'll grow up to be a misogynist..." is nothing more than an oversimplified strawman argument? I'm already there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 05:07 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Well this strawman argument doesn't help your credibility either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 05:00 PM |
| 2 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?ITT: TRPers claiming that feminists merely invented this to attack men and that men never get shamed for their dietary preferences. Also ITT: The same TRPers calling vegans faggots and soyboys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:52 PM |
| 3 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?to tar all men as guilty of "toxic masculinity" No one has ever done that. They're probably make some soy jokes, make some jokes about my politics and masculinity, and then we'd move the fuck on and they would respect my choice and we would all remain good friends You: "I've never been shamed for my dietary choices and that's evidence that it clearly doesn't happen enough" Also you: "I would probably get shamed for my dietary choices if I would go vegan" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:50 PM |
| 2 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Who said that all men are guilty of doing so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:47 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Stay on topic. Explain those gender differences. Explain why men in the US just don't like vegetables and why the same isn't true in other cultures. Start arguing against the things we actually say. Wanting to have sex with women isn't toxic masculinity. The societal idea that men are always willing to have sex is, because it leads to ideas like "men can't get raped". Wanting to make more money in the workplace isn't toxic masculinity. The societal idea that men have to sacrifice themselves in t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:46 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Maybe they don't like vegetables? Go on and explain why this isn't true across the globe. There is a significant gender difference in the US where men are getting told that real men hunt, vegans aren't real men and [meat is manly]. There is no gender difference in cultures where eating vegetables isn't associated with emasculation. If men just don't like vegetables it should be a global phenomenon, but it is quite clearly a cultural phenomenon. Nobody is telling young boys that they need to act … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:41 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?That's the usual "feminist topics are too complex for me so I'm debunking them with the most oversimplified strawman argument"-thing. We aren't saying that it's bad that men eat more meat. We are saying that it's bad that men are getting told that vegetables are for faggots. It's not about what men do, but what societal standards are being pushed upon them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:24 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?If what feminists are saying is just a strawman, then explain why there exists a significant gender difference in the willingness to eat vegetables in the US, but not in other cultures. As the APA article about traditional masculinity showed men in the US that strongly adhere to traditional notions of masculinity tend to be unwilling to eat vegetables, but this isn't true for men in cultures where men aren't told that veggies are faggots. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:20 PM |
| 4 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Thanks for explaining the nuance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:15 PM |
| 1 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?I have never seen eating meat correlated with discussions on what societal norms are harmful to men. I've mentioned it like a thousand times. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:15 PM |
| 3 | What is up with the correlation with eating meat and toxic masculinity for feminists?Eating meat isn't toxic masculinity. The societal idea that not eating meat or preferring vegetables is gay is toxic masculinity. If you want to eat meat that isn't toxic. What's toxic are ideas like real men hunt, vegans aren't real men or meat is manly. The idea that a man is a faggot just because he's vegan is toxic, because it pushes men into a very narrow and unhealthy gender role. As the APA article showed men in the US are shamed away from eating vegetables and there's a significant gende… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 04:10 PM |
| 1 | (Toxic)Masculinity is necessaryhttps://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/01/ce-corner.aspx But something is amiss for men as well. Men commit 90 percent of homicides in the United States and represent 77 percent of homicide victims. They’re the demographic group most at risk of being victimized by violent crime. They are 3.5 times more likely than women to die by suicide, and their life expectancy is 4.9 years shorter than women’s. Boys are far more likely to be diagnosed with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder than girls, and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 11:08 AM |
| 6 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is."the idea that eating vegetables is gay is toxic masculinity" Never seen that one. It's commonly mentioned as one way in which the patriarchy harms men. Even the APA article cited a study that showed that western men that strongly adhere to traditional notions of masculinity are unwilling to eat vegetables. Really you don't seem to understand the topic, maybe you've been raised by kind women who didn't try to make you a mangina, you can't get it. Well this doesn't actually relate to this topic, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 08:41 AM |
| 1 | (Toxic)Masculinity is necessaryYou are arguing that masculinity is important, but that doesn't mean that toxic masculinity is needed. You've got to consider that there's more nuance to this topic. Similarly if I'm complaining that rainy days are boring it is useless if you argue that sunny days are amazing. A mans insecurities, fears and problems are an inconvenience worthy of mockery and revulsion to other men and women. The death rates at work, suicide rates, body image issues around being short or ugly,depression and isola… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 07:57 AM |
| 15 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.You've got to consider that male feminists usually don't suffer from TeRPism. They can read stuff like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" or "the idea that eating vegetables is gay is toxic masculinity" without getting triggered beyond recognition. They are able to understand nuance, adjectives and that this isn't just an attack on all men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 07:31 AM |
| 2 | I've noticed an increasing trend in the dislike of male feminists...here is my theory as to why this is.Stop projecting. Just because you do everything with the sole intention of getting laid this doesn't mean that the same is true for others. Normal male feminists are simply liberal men that are genuinely interested in / supportive of progressive ideas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/19 07:27 AM |
| 3 | If high N count is bad for a women, then why do all these high SMV rappers end up LTR/marrying high N count women?But I keep hearing from a lot of people here that such guys do care. How would the neurotic guys here know anything about how a confident Chad feels? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/19 05:19 PM |
| 4 | [Q4Women] You're the empress of humankind; your word is the law. Your prime minister asks what should the punishment for paternity fraud be./r/askwomen? Aren't the threads here more like /r/tellWomenHowTheyAreThinkingAndIgnoreAnyThatArentInLineWithYourBiases | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/19 03:13 PM |
| 2 | If high N count is bad for a women, then why do all these high SMV rappers end up LTR/marrying high N count women?They do. There's a clear observable trend: virgins care very much about n-count, but Chad doesn't https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/71ybt8/cmv_studs_often_end_up_dating_sluts | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/19 09:31 AM |
| 4 | If high N count is bad for a women, then why do all these high SMV rappers end up LTR/marrying high N count women?The general rule follows a clear pattern though: virgins care a lot about n-count and sexually successful men care very little | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/19 07:47 AM |
| 3 | Why so few young women have short hair?Maasai women (just like the black women in Black Panther) shave their heads, but the men spend hours grooming their long hair | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/19 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: What are your political beliefs and how do they fit or conflict with your pill?Why would TRP be an obstacle and not a tool to achieve understanding? Because TRP actively prevent you from actually understanding women. Throwing women into the basement in order to take them off the pedestal doesn't help you to understand them. It's merely exchanging one extreme for the other. It helps you to get better at stereotyping, to develop a stronger outgroup bias, confirmation bias and selection bias, but it doesn't help you to actually understand women. It only helps you to hamster e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/19 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Do women have red pill moments?Black people got many of those same rights. Does this mean that racism has been eliminated? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 07:21 PM |
| 1 | "Paying for something others got for free" but what if she gave it free to you too?I can't deny that, because George Soros created the International Science Foundation which supported scientists in the Soviet Union and the Baltic states. But from my perspective he brought light into a sea of Soviet-era misinformation so I don't think that this is comparable to the Koch brothers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Do women have red pill moments?I mean I have a blue flair so anything that I say can and will get interpreted as misandry so the 0% challenge is impossible. Women got the right to vote. The right to get higher education. The right to work without the written permission of their father or husband. The right to own property. The right to get paid the same amount for the same work. The right to divorce. And that marital rape and domestic violence aren't seen as normal and legal anymore. Women no longer have to take their husband… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 07:04 PM |
| 1 | "Paying for something others got for free" but what if she gave it free to you too?These findings are based on a study by the Heritage Foundation which is a conservative think tank that is known for it's bias and strong connections to the Koch brothers. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/heritage-foundation/ These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Do women have red pill moments?So the patriarchy stopped existing when women got the right to vote? Did racism cease to exist the moment black people got the right to vote? Or was it defeated the moment when Obama took office? These are steps in the right direction, but they do not solve all the issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 05:55 PM |
| 1 | "Paying for something others got for free" but what if she gave it free to you too?Which leads to lots of false positives and false negatives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 05:53 PM |
| 4 | Would you rather have a 'cute' or 'sexy' partnerWhy not both? My gf is cute and sexy. She's small, petite, has a doll face and the cutest smile. She's so cute that I just want to hug her. But she's also busty, curves in the right place, dresses in a sexy alternative style and has the best "fuck me"-look in her eyes whenever she's horny. But if I had to choose I would prefer cute over sexy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 05:46 PM |
| 1 | Do women have red pill moments?So saying that you're against the patriarchy means you're against men holding power. How is that not at attack on men? That's another case of black and white thinking. We aren't against men having power. We are against the idea that women are unsuited to hold positions of power. For example women didn't have the right to vote, but giving them equal voting rights didn't take away the voting rights of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 05:39 PM |
| 1 | Do women have red pill moments?Is this a joke? Nope. That's the official stance of feminism. Feminists constantly remind us that patriarchy has no gender, because it's a social system that can be and is upheld by both men and women. For example Kellyanne Conway proves patriarchy has no gender or The enemy of feminism isn’t men. It’s patriarchy, and patriarchy is not men. It is a system, and women can support the system of patriarchy just as men can support the fight for gender equality. Justine Musk Patriarchy has no gender b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 05:01 PM |
| 0 | "Paying for something others got for free" but what if she gave it free to you too?You've got the causation backwards. Having a high n-count doesn't cause her to become a cheater. Being a cheater causes her to have a high n-count. If you do not want to date a cheater you should look for actual cheater personality traits instead of using such an indirect indicator. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 08:03 AM |
| 1 | Do women have red pill moments?No, it isn't. Because the responsibility still falls on men. It's the "patriarchy" that makes men and women act this way, and the patriarchy is basically men. The patriarchy isn't just men, because the patriarchy has no gender. You can't say that we are only blaming men if we are explicitly blaming society. The difference is that you're saying men force other men, while also forcing women. You are putting the entirety of the responsibility on men, so this is not the same at all. That's black and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/19 07:36 AM |
| 1 | Do women have red pill moments?That's not at all toxic femininity. That's exactly the analogy to toxic masculinity. That's the same "we're oppressed by the patriarchy" shit you read on tumblr. The aim of getting rid of toxic masculinity is to free men from the shackles of patriarchy. It's the same shit because it literally is the same. That's not saying that "femininity itself has terrible side-effects", it's saying "we women are oppressed and forced to act a certain way". And "men are oppressed and forced to act a certain wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/19 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Do women have red pill moments?So you're telling me they have an article on toxic femininity? Technically they don't even have an article about toxic masculinity because they never specifically mention that term. But if you had read the article you would have seen this part: But just as this old psychology left out women and people of color and conformed to gender-role stereotypes, it also failed to take men’s gendered experiences into account. Once psychologists began studying the experiences of women through a gender lens, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/19 10:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP is going to help a lot of men make better relationship and marriage decisions.That's unlikely because they actively work on having disfunctional relationships. They base all their knowledge of women on a subset of anxious-preoccupied women and all their knowledge about relationships on relationships between dismissive-avoidant men with anxious-preoccupied women. TRP works in their self-selected bubble, but it doesn't work for people with a secure attachment style, who are in the majority. They think that women require an emotional roller-coaster, a push-pull dynamic and j… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/19 09:30 PM |
| 3 | Do women have red pill moments?They're shitting on men because they view them as nothing more than deficient women. That's black and white thinking, but not an actual argument. Playing semantic games like "oh, it's just societal roles, not innate biological characteristics" makes little practical difference. It does, because there's a huge difference between "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" (what we are saying) and "men are toxic" (what the manosphere hears). We aren't saying that men are innately to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/19 09:07 PM |
| 3 | Do women have red pill moments?Shitting on innate male behavior is shitting on men, no? How are they shitting on innate male behaviour though? And how is complaining about toxic masculinity the same as calling all masculinity terrible? You've got to consider that the APA uses words according to their defintion, and masculinity by definition refers to societal standards that are being placed upon men, but not to their innate male nature. Masculinity refers to the traits that society considers to be appropriate for a man, but n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/19 06:27 PM |
| 0 | Do women have red pill moments?Oh no the APA points out that men that strictly adhere to traditional masculinity tend to be unwilling to eat vegetables and to get mental health care! Such misandry! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/19 11:14 AM |
| 1 | Do women have red pill moments?How is the APA article about toxic masculinity that he linked hating men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/19 11:13 AM |
| 3 | What do you think TRP gets wrong and why are they lumped in with incels and white nationalists?>calls intersectionality retarded >uses the most retarded strawman argument to debunk it | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/19 08:56 AM |
| 4 | What do you think TRP gets wrong and why are they lumped in with incels and white nationalists?The lumping with incels is easy to explain. From an outside perspective it's really hard to tell the difference. Both use the same language to state similar ideas (AWALT, Chad/Stacey, women are mentally like children, women prefer DT assholes and hate nice guys, etc). Incels are just a little bit more hate-filled and bitter about it. For us it's just like two different kinds of flat-earthers. Red pillers state that the earth is a circle, but incels have a little bit more edge to it and state tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/19 08:51 AM |
| 2 | Does TRP Neglect Character?Some people can't see, but that doesn't mean it's not there. We can see that a few outlier women are attracted to sociopathic men, but we simply do not understand how they prove that the same is true for all women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/19 04:27 PM |
| 5 | When it comes to attracting women, why does it have to be this way for men?Okay so you choose to willfully ignore their findings in favor of your preconceived notions, but why do you even rely on their article then in the first place if you are just going to ignore that they are saying? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/19 03:23 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Is Bill Burr just attacking and shaming men in this video?"When did you stop beating your wife?" That's not how I understood it. They're not, they're the most commonly mentioned ways in which toxic masculinity is harmful as determined by people who aren't men. The APA consists of a lot of men, the Mythopoetic Men's Movement were men, Bill Burr here is a man, etc By nagging and tut-tutting all men as if they're guilty of these things. But that's not what they are doing. "toxic masculinity prevents men from eating vegetables or hugging their friends" is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/19 03:09 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Is Bill Burr just attacking and shaming men in this video?If there was one fucking ounce of narrative that included some self-reflection, or maybe even some insight from someone who lives it rather than pure ideology, I might believe you. If there was an actual discussion up there, with prominent feminists talking to and asking traditionally masculine men how they actually felt about things and what they thought, I would believe you. That has never fucking happened. It happens all the time. For example The Mask You Live In is filled with interviews of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/19 02:50 PM |
| 4 | When it comes to attracting women, why does it have to be this way for men?That's the "Your Looks And Your Inbox" article which proves that looks matter much less to women. 80% are rated as below average, but this doesn't stop women from messaging them anyway. Unlike men who primarily message those on the very top. The actual conclusion of the article is literally the opposite of "women are only attracted to the top 20%". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/19 02:35 PM |
| 3 | Does TRP Neglect Character?If it wasn't there would be no red pill or mgtow complaining about women's mate choice. That's not proof of anything. "Bigfoot exists, because if he didn't then no one would claim to have seen him" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/19 12:38 PM |
| 4 | When it comes to attracting women, why does it have to be this way for men?It doesn't have to be this way, but the fact that TRPers believe so is exactly why they also believe in AWALT. It's not that women in general prefer assholes. Most do prefer nice and kind partners and see this kind of behavior as a red flag. It's primarily the childlike, illoyal, drama-prone and manipulative women that are attracted to assholes. TRP is just a self-reinforcing cycle that's entirely based on a selection bias. It feels true for men with a very limited/narrow relationship experience… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/19 11:28 AM |
| 4 | When it comes to attracting women, why does it have to be this way for men?Yeah no I don’t believe that. Why not? It would also perfectly explain why they believe in AWALT, because this kind of dismissive-avoidant asshole behavior is exactly what attracts childlike, illoyal and drama-prone women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/19 11:05 AM |
| 3 | When it comes to attracting women, why does it have to be this way for men?Did you not see the OKcupid research or tinder or other researches? Which OkCupid research are you talking about? I'm only aware of the "Your Looks And Your Inbox" article which showed that women care much less about looks than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/19 11:01 AM |
| 1 | Of the blue and red COMMUNITIES, which do you feel is more toxic towards opposing views?It's not just shaming. It's an observation. If the main arguments against high n-count women are like "but she will always think back about the alpha Chads that got to fuck her in her prime" it's no surprise that people will think that those ideas are primarily rooted in insecurity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/19 07:57 PM |
| 2 | Of the blue and red COMMUNITIES, which do you feel is more toxic towards opposing views?Blue. By a country mile. If you disagree, well that's because you're an irredeemable, forsaken, subhuman monster, the end. How's that any different than being called a fat, man-hating lesbian feminazi just because you do not agree that women are all mentally like children? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/19 07:54 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of male feminists? Do you require that label in order for him to be fuckeable, or does it actually hurt his attractiveness?"I’m sick of the predators and approval-seeking men who call themselves ‘feminist’ to get my attention" is the actual message of her article, but not that all feminist men are bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/19 11:51 AM |
| 3 | What do you think of male feminists? Do you require that label in order for him to be fuckeable, or does it actually hurt his attractiveness?Debunking misinterpretations =/= making up meanings | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/19 09:48 AM |
| 4 | What do you think of male feminists? Do you require that label in order for him to be fuckeable, or does it actually hurt his attractiveness?Even I would say that he needs therapy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/19 07:57 AM |
| 2 | What do you think of male feminists? Do you require that label in order for him to be fuckeable, or does it actually hurt his attractiveness?This chick won't date another male feminist: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/19/why-i-wont-date-another-male-feminist Basically, other sources say you CAN'T be a male feminist. And there are tons of places telling women to avoid male feminists. Actually no. That's just the extremely black and white misinterpretation of the manosphere, but if you actually read the article you will notice that it's more nuanced than that. She didn't say that she doesn't like men that are feminis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/19 07:53 AM |
| 3 | What do you think of male feminists? Do you require that label in order for him to be fuckeable, or does it actually hurt his attractiveness?Even OPs "I won't date another male feminist" article states that it is the bare minimum It’s not that I don’t want to be with a man who respects me, values consent, or is conscious of the various gender-based imbalances in the world today. These qualities are a bare minimum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/19 07:50 AM |
| -1 | Has this sub made you lean more towards the blue or red side of the pill?It's actually much easier. Those studies do exist, but TRPers have an aversion to facts and thus will throw a temper tantrum whenever confronted with them. Debating on PPD is always like: TRPer: Women are like X and men have to be like Y to get laid TBPer: Actually studies show that women that are like X are a minority and that most women are like A. Additionally they show that men do not have to be like Y in order to get laid. Y is simply the kind of guy that X-women are attracted to, but it's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/19 07:32 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Is Bill Burr just attacking and shaming men in this video?Here's a tl;dr of every thread about toxic masculinity TBPer: "toxic masculinity prevents men from seeking mental health treatment" TRPer: "You're just attacking and shaming men" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Is Bill Burr just attacking and shaming men in this video?Because you never bring up other points than this particular one. If we say, for example, "women are literally the engine of breeding and they're the ones who overwhelmingly select for high income, aggressive, traditionally masculine men" - well, that's something that you'll sweep off to the side. Because you are pulling the "toxic masculinity means that all masculinity is toxic" card although you are perfectly aware that we aren't attacking all of masculinity. How does being too homophobic to g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 11:28 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Is Bill Burr just attacking and shaming men in this video?You want a conversation, then y'all can act like you want one. You don't, so I'm reticent to give you one, and given the one-sidedness of the conversation you want to have, I'm pretty sure you're just attacking and shaming men. I try to have a conversation, but whenever I bring up similar points as him I get accused of just attacking and shaming men. I bet Bill Burr would listen to what guys have to say. You don't. That's the difference. What's there to listen to except "you just hate men"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 11:01 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Is Bill Burr just attacking and shaming men in this video?I mean that’s sorta like what he’s talking about here Except for the fact that I can't find any any article about toxic masculinity that's just talking shit about men and neither can the manosphere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Is Bill Burr just attacking and shaming men in this video?Okay, but is it something that happens? Because whenever I talk about the same thing I get told that I'm just a man-hating feminist | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 09:39 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Is Bill Burr just attacking and shaming men in this video?Let me ask you . Do you think bill burr is attacking men when he makes a joke about them? Do you think he’s shaming? No. I'm just wondering where you guys draw the line. Do you even think he’s talking about a problem men face? Or is it possible he’s just making a funny observation and puts his classic performance behind it. I think that men experience these things, but whenever I talk about that topic here I get told that toxic masculinity is just a feminist conspiracy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 09:25 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Go on. I have no idea what you are trying to tell me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 08:31 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?So the gist of your argument is "feminists are just shaming and attacking men". So where is all that shaming and attacking happening? Not in any article about toxic masculinity that I've seen and neither in any that the manosphere can provide. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 08:18 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Just lol at your stupid attempt at misdirection. How is it misdirection? Those are the most commonly mentioned issues that people try to fix by addressing toxic masculinity Also, you're a child molester, who cares what you think? Nice ad-hominen, but how does this relate to this topic? If anything it supports my position, because in my culture it's expected and even encouraged of men to sleep with virginal teens. I'm not any more of a child molester than any of the guys I grew up with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 08:10 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?And aren't feminists, SJWs, liberals and progressives generally accused of being anti-capitalist communists? The suit issue is part of our "money is the root of all evil" ideology | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 08:01 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?That's basic toxic masculinity theory. The standards men have to adhere to weren't always as narrow, fragile and harmful. For example the idea that men shouldn't cry was invented a couple of hundred years ago and even Charles Darwin wrote about men from "barbaric" cultures crying readily for whatever reason. Like he wrote about leader of a tribe starting "to whine like a little girl" because he poured a bag of flour over his favorite clothes, without any shame or shaming. And in the 80s the men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 07:58 PM |
| 2 | What is Toxic Masculinity?I'm a man and I don't feel personally attacked by articles about toxic masculinity. They are usually written from a empathetic position that makes it clear that they want to help men. I'm not someone that hates anything feminists do and that's gets triggered extremely easily so I do not even see things like "it's harmful that tradional notions of masculinity prevent men from seeking mental health treatment, eating vegetables and sharing their emotions" as an attack on men or as shaming. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 07:41 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?But wearing suits is a societal standard pushed upon men. It's not the worst societal standard but it's still a societal standard. But we are talking about those that are obvserably harmful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 07:36 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Why not? We managed to have a more positive construction of masculinity for a long time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 07:33 PM |
| 2 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Welcome to live 101. Nobody gives a crap about that. Life is full of compromises and things you have to do which you'd rather not. You have to meet other people's expectations. There's no way around that. Feminism has freed women from a lot of societal restrictions. So why wouldn't the same be possible for men, especially because those same standards don't even exist across the globe? For example a hundred years ago men could still hug their male friends without having to worry about being calle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:55 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?those manly meat eaters ALSO eat vegatables haha they're making fun of vegans for not eating meat they're not making fun of vegans for eating vegetables lmao that's crazy talk Men that adhere strongly to traditional notions of masculinity tend to be unwilling to eat vegetables, but this isn't true in other cultures. It's not crazy talk. It's supported by several scientific studies and psychological research. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:49 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?I don't know. There just are. Okay so they just are, but why is it a problem if we call harmful cultural standards that are placed upon men "toxic masculinity"? They just are, but they obviously don't have to be. So why is it a problem if we want to get rid of those? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:47 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Western men are some of the most effeminate non-masculine men that have ever existed. What imaginary countries are you thinking of? Stay on topic. Why does this gender difference in the willingness to eat vegetables exist in the US but not in other cultures? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:44 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?And "toxic" is behaviour that results in somebody getting hurt? Men or women? How does "boys don't cry" hurt people for example? Learning how to handle your emotions in a healthy way is simply better than drowning them with alcohol and suffering in silence. Plus it prevents men from seeking mental health treatment (which is a gender difference that doesn't exist in cultures that do not have this aspect of toxic masculinity) the odyssey online com/toxic-masculinity-hurts-boys The stereotypical id… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:28 PM |
| 3 | What is Toxic Masculinity?There are lots of gender norms like real men hunt, vegans aren't real men or meat is manly. Men in the US are shamed away from eating vegetables and there's a significant gender difference in the willingness to eat vegetables. Ideas like these don't exist across the globe. Men from other cultures aren't shamed away from eating vegetables and there's no gender difference in the willingness to eat them. How would you explain these cultural differences? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:22 PM |
| 1 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Both. It's all the societal standards and expectations that are placed upon men. It doesn't matter if they are placed upon them by a man or a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:15 PM |
| 4 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Toxic masculinity is allegedly your first definition. In reality, it's a shaming phrase designed to cut down any male behaviors that are unwanted (by the person using the phrase.) How horrible! We want to cut down on men being too homophobic to get a prostate exam, too worried about being perceived as perfectly stoic to get mental health treatment, too No-Homo to hug their male friends and too Real-Manly to eat vegetables. We monsters! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:12 PM |
| 2 | What is Toxic Masculinity?https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/masculine having qualities appropriate to or usually associated with a man https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/masculinity Qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/masculinity Masculinity is the quality of manliness — habits and traits that society considers to be appropriate for a man. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/masculinity the characteristics that are traditionally thoug… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:06 PM |
| 5 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Toxic masculinity is a feminist reaction to the fact that men are physically stronger than women. Actually toxic masculinity was a reaction to radical feminism because the men of the Mythopoetic Men's Movement felt that there problems weren't addressed. They noticed that society has lost its connection to a more natural, balanced and deeper masculinity due to the following factors: Men no longer being comrades who celebrated their masculinity together. Rather, they had become competitors within … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 06:02 PM |
| 2 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Circlejerks belong to the automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 05:57 PM |
| 3 | What is Toxic Masculinity?One word: soyboy In the US there are lots of subtle "vegetables are for faggots" messages. And the APA toxic masculinity article that was posted here a couple of days ago showed that men in the US that strongly adhere to traditional notions of masculinity are unwilling to eat vegetables, but this gender difference doesn't exist in cultures where vegetables aren't associated with effeminacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 05:48 PM |
| 2 | What is Toxic Masculinity?Actually, from what I could gather, Toxic masculinity, originally meant "violence" and "dominance by power" which were described as part of "masculinity" for some jailed men. In a scientific paper in the 50's or 30's, or something. Your so called " Common actions committed by men tthat hurt others" Nope. You are thinking about Terry Kupers article about toxic masculinity in prisons, but that's not even two decades old and is about how toxic masculinity gets amplified in prisons and how it preven… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 05:18 PM |
| 6 | What is Toxic Masculinity?The first one. Toxic masculinity are harmful societal standards on appropriate masculine behavior. For example the idea that eating vegetables is for pussies is toxic masculinity. There's nothing biological that prevents men from eating vegetables and the gender difference in the willingness to eat vegetables doesn't exist in other cultures. The cultural idea that men don't like vegetables or the idea that preferring them makes you a pussy/faggot is "masculinity" because that's a societal expect… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/01/19 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: When you picture a man who breaks up with a girl over her having a high partner count, what kind of man do you envision?But if those traits are so horrible, why would you even need to know her n-count? Can't you just look for actual signs of those traits? I mean if they are dealbreakers, shouldn't they be more apparent and noticeable? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 11:24 AM |
| 1 | If you met someone in their 30's and they never been in a relationship would you consider that a red flag?Circlejerks belong to the automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 11:16 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: When you picture a man who breaks up with a girl over her having a high partner count, what kind of man do you envision?So what trait is that? Is it "had sex with someone who wasn't me"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 11:14 AM |
| 2 | Q4All: What does friendship mean to you?There are two kind of blue pills. There's the Pre-TRP Blue Pill, which is the polar opposite of the red pill. They used to believe that Disney movies were all the dating advice that exists, they put women on the pedestal and thought that being nice is all that matters. But then there's also the "TRP is misogynistic/manipulative/abusive" blue pill, which comes from /r/TheBluePill which is a subreddit that took this name ironically, because anyone that disagrees that all women are mentally handica… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 07:23 AM |
| -2 | Discussion: When you picture a man who breaks up with a girl over her having a high partner count, what kind of man do you envision?Do you think there are few shared traits or many shared traits for the women in each group? But if those shared traits are the problem, why don't you filter for those instead? Women with a low n-count can have them and not all women with a high n-count do have them. So why would you base their value on their n-count instead of those traits? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 07:07 AM |
| -1 | Discussion: When you picture a man who breaks up with a girl over her having a high partner count, what kind of man do you envision?Promiscuity is linked to certain traits that I don't want to deal with. That's my logic. So why don't you filter for those certain traits instead? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/19 07:05 AM |
| -1 | Why do men and women view n count extremely differently?Evolutionary speaking we didn't care about monogamy for a really long time. Women had several partners at once: a hunter, one that builds stuff, one that gathers stuff and one that helps to raise the children. These men had multiple partners as well and no one cared who the biological father was because the whole tribe helped to raise the children. Even the term "Eskimo brother" is based on the fact that the Inuit would share their wife like other people offer tea. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 07:34 PM |
| 0 | Why do men and women view n count extremely differently?Because in days of old, people of s tribe didn't look super different. Back in the old says monogamy hasn't even been invented yet. Promiscuity was normal and even encouraged. They didn't care about parenthood, because everyone in the tribe helped everyone else raise their kids and without property there also weren't any inheretiance issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Why do men and women view n count extremely differently?Sluttiness is in the eyes of the beholder. Which ties in with "Studs don't see sluts as bad, because they are just like 'duh women like sex'." They don't rate women in terms of n-counts because they've slept with so many women themselves that they just assume that it's normal for women to enjoy casual sex. They also do not worry about her previous partners, because they are confident instead of neurotic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 06:28 PM |
| 0 | Why are women so underrepresented in art?As far as I can tell not, but they were probably not allowed to handle something as expensive as a camera. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 05:47 PM |
| 4 | Why do men and women view n count extremely differently?Statistically it's true though. Attractive people have more permissive sexual attitudes Physically attractive people are more open-minded towards many behaviors relating to sexuality, according to a study published in Social Science Quarterly. The findings indicate that having more opportunities to engage in certain behaviors can influence one’s ethical standards. “These results support the hypothesis that greater opportunity to indulge in a behavior — as good looks typically provide for sexual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 05:34 PM |
| 7 | Why do men and women view n count extremely differently?They don't. Your post is based on a faulty premise. You've got to consider that the men here aren't average/typical/normal even though their immense solipsism and lack of theory of mind prevents them from realizing this. The willingness of both genders to date someone with a promiscuous past follows the same pattern. And The aim of this study was to explore how people’s sexual history affects their attractiveness. Using an Internet survey, 188 participants rated their willingness to engage in a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 05:32 PM |
| 0 | Why are women so underrepresented in art?new art We've been taking selfies for more than a hundred years now | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 05:20 PM |
| -1 | Can men and women be just friends?Okay, but still how does that relate? I'm not here to moralize. I'm here to debunk RP myths and to explain how their hurt feelings aren't objective facts. My username literally means that I'm a bigger dick than you and I regularly call people autistic. I also argue from a position of "I had to unlearn all the disfunctional relationship tips of RP and know from experience why they think that women are AWALT" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 10:10 AM |
| 1 | Can men and women be just friends?I still don't understand how it prevents me from pointing out that TRPers consistently misinterpret the studies they are quoting, that plenty of other studies debunk their feelings and that their hurt feelings aren't objective facts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 09:43 AM |
| 1 | Can men and women be just friends?How does that relate to the topic at hand? They made themselves drunk and brought their own weed. That's simply how mixed friends groups spend their time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 09:33 AM |
| 1 | Can men and women be just friends?ITT Women : Yes BPM : Yes RPM : No Everyone except for bitter, undersexed misogynists can be friends with women? Color me surprised | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/19 07:34 AM |
| 1 | Why being yourself works for women.So let's imagine there's a guy who's calm, confident, fun and talkative around his friends and family, but he becomes shy and anxious around women. Is shyness his true self, or is it just something that prevents him from being himself around women? If being shy is his true self, then why isn't he like that when he hangs out with his friends and family? From the perspective of the person that's giving the advice he isn't shy, because he isn't like that when they hang out. When they tell him to be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/19 05:08 PM |
| 1 | Why being yourself works for women.You're confusing being too shy to be yourself with being yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/19 09:04 AM |
| 1 | Why being yourself works for women.Then why dont they say that then. Because it's advice for neurotypicals. We don't assume that someone would just take it a hundred percent literally without even trying to understand all the layers of subtlety. It really is no surprise that guys turn to PUA and TRP when the alternitive is people saying stuff that means something different. Well that's just how normie communication works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/19 09:03 AM |
| 0 | The bluepill bubble: am i right or wrong?If that was actually true, people wouldn't react so negatively to this bullshit advice. It's a common piece of advice because most people consider it to be good advice. The fact that a few outliers like incels and TRPers disagree doesn't mean that it is also bullshit for normal people. In other words: just because the special-ed kids of the manosphere hate regular education and require special education this doesn't mean that regular education is bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/19 08:50 AM |
| 0 | Why being yourself works for women.But if normal people say "just be yourself" they do not mean "stay shy", but rather "become confident in yourself so you aren't shy anymore". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/19 06:20 PM |
| -1 | Why being yourself works for women.But his shyness is preventing him from being himself, so he's not actually being himself unless he works towards overcoming it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/19 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Why being yourself works for women.Well that's why I always say that TRPers misunderstood that phrase, as usual. For normal people "just be yourself" walks hand in hand with being confident in yourself instead of pretending to be someone else. It's about not pretending to be someone else because you are a magical person despite your flaws. And if you work towards your goals you will achieve them. It's a motivational phrase that's meant to give people confidence in themselves. Chill out and be yourself. Stop giving a fuck what oth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/19 05:31 PM |
| -1 | Why being yourself works for women.Is a guy that's too shy to show his interest even being himself? Being himself implies that he has the balls to actually be himself | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/19 05:16 PM |
| 3 | PurplePillDebate users and relationships to other subreddits based on user activityYeah but that's because for us it's just like three different kinds of flat-earthers disagreeing with each other that the earth is a circle, a triangle or a square. They might disagree on a few things, but in the end they still all believe that the earth is flat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/19 03:00 PM |
| 3 | PurplePillDebate users and relationships to other subreddits based on user activityHow are they supposed to win arguments if TRPers constantly chose to ignore any empirical evidence that goes against their preconceived notions? It's simply impossible to win arguments with people that prefer feelings over facts | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/19 02:52 PM |
| 2 | The bluepill bubble: am i right or wrong?How they choose to ignore reality. Studies are generally in line with my perception of reality and everytime I post some studies TRPers always show that they are choosing to ignore any evidence that goes against their preconceived notions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/19 12:58 PM |
| 5 | How do you feel about masculinity now being listed as a mental disorder?One thing that I've learned here is that it's impossible to tell if it's actually a bad faith argument or if it's simply extreme black and white thinking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/19 12:30 PM |
| 2 | How do you feel about masculinity now being listed as a mental disorder?How are they ignorant about human nature? Like they are showing that men who strongly adhere to traditional notions of masculinity are unwilling to eat vegetables. This isn't natural; it's simply a harmful aspect of the male gender role. Nature doesn't tell men that vegetables are gay and only for women. This gender difference also doesn't exist in cultures where vegetables aren't associated with emasculation, meaning that men from non-western cultures are willing to eat vegetables without feeli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/19 12:29 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: APA says Traditional Masculinity is toxicBut they did show that men who strongly adhere to traditional notions of masculinity are less likely to seek mental health care, which is directly linked to suicide rates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/19 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: APA says Traditional Masculinity is toxicHere's an article about their guide that explains their point in more detail: https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/01/ce-corner.aspx But something is amiss for men as well. Men commit 90 percent of homicides in the United States and represent 77 percent of homicide victims. They’re the demographic group most at risk of being victimized by violent crime. They are 3.5 times more likely than women to die by suicide, and their life expectancy is 4.9 years shorter than women’s. Boys are far more likely t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/19 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: APA says Traditional Masculinity is toxicBut it does say that adhering strongly to traditional norms of masculinity is harmful. For example they are citing studies that show that men who strongly adhere to traditional notions of masculinity are unwilling to eat vegetables or to seek help if they need it. So it's appropriate to say that they are calling (some specific aspects of) traditional masculinity toxic to men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/19 01:05 PM |
| 0 | Do men give any advice which is as crap as advice women giveBut why would you even need game to begin with if women don't care about personality? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/19 10:36 AM |
| 0 | Do men give any advice which is as crap as advice women giveMales get crap advice from blue pill betas. Advice includes things such as women care about personality and just be confident. How does that differ from game tough? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/19 09:51 AM |
| 1 | What are some things men to better than womenBut if what you say is true, then it is interesting. Have you been told why that is? I think it's because men have generally better gross motor skills while women generally have better fine motor skills. And because women generally have more interest in music, singing, dancing and rhythm. Even male musicians tend to be less masculine / more feminine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/19 09:32 AM |
| 1 | CMV: When women say to men "just be nice and honest to us" they mean.."I subscribe to the red pill ideology but I’d have to highly agree with this, I’ve never seen this discussed in the TRP community before but it was always at the back of my mind What if all these girls we pursue using TRP strategies are just narcissistic and insecure or like you say, have that certain attachment style while us TRPers use an avoidant attachment style? If you are interested here's a more detailed comment about attachment styles and how they relate to the pills. But it doesn't go in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/19 09:06 AM |
| 5 | How do boys become beta nice guys?TRP: men are naturally masculine Also TRP: if you tell men to be themselves they will act like feminine betas | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/19 08:39 AM |
| 2 | People with low self-esteem seek support from partners in ways that backfireAmazing input! Honest question: why are you even on a debate board? A circlejerk board incel would be much better suited for you, considering that you are completely incapable of holding a debate. We have a no incel rule here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/19 08:25 AM |
| 3 | CMV: When women say to men "just be nice and honest to us" they mean.."What about AWALT then? AWALT isn't a fact just because TRPers feel that way. It simply describes women with an anxious-preoccupied attachment style and TRP prescribes a dismissive-avoidant attachment style, which are attractive to each other. TRPers chose to attract AWALTy women, but that doesn't make all women AWALT just because women that know what they want and that aren't illogical and childlike see TRPers as red flags. AWALT is based on a selection bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/19 12:04 AM |
| 2 | CMV: When women say to men "just be nice and honest to us" they mean.."You have to take it one step farther. The exceptions prove the rule. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 11:47 PM |
| 1 | People with low self-esteem seek support from partners in ways that backfireOr they open up in that manner. Passive aggressive, whiney, indirect, no clear motive. Why "or"? I just explained that this indirect communication is the problem, but not opening up in general | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 07:12 PM |
| 1 | People with low self-esteem seek support from partners in ways that backfireNo, it explains why men find TRP because every other piece of retarded relationship advice tells men to open up and share your feelings with your partner and be honest and communicate more and be more sensitive. Basically, emote at your women like you're also a woman, as you just idiotically told men to do. Let me repeat myself "The study is about the opposite of opening up. It's about the fact that people with low self-esteem do not open up and communicate their issues directly but instead seek… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 06:44 PM |
| 1 | Do you feel bad about the patriarchy/"oppression of women" in history?Peasants were oppressed, but the husband still had more rights than his wife. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 06:30 PM |
| 2 | Do you feel bad about the patriarchy/"oppression of women" in history?I disagree. Claiming that throughout human history, men oppressed women, is incredibly black and white. Are you really surprised that an oversimplified misinterpretation of what we are saying is black and white? Wooooow | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 05:53 PM |
| 5 | Do you feel bad about the patriarchy/"oppression of women" in history?We are using more nuance though. We aren't saying that each women was oppressed by each man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 04:46 PM |
| 9 | Do you feel bad about the patriarchy/"oppression of women" in history?That's a faulty argument. White women owned slaves too. How does this matter? I really don't consider black male slaves as more oppressed than their white female owners. But if women were oppressed by men, then it goes to reason that white female slave owners were "oppressed" by their black male slaves. That just doesn't make sense. History is far more complex and brutal than "man oppressed woman." Oh because of extreme black and white thinking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 04:01 PM |
| 2 | Do you feel bad about the patriarchy/"oppression of women" in history?And in Switzerland the gap is like 150 years. Men there got the right to vote in 18something, but for women it took until 1991. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 03:46 PM |
| 6 | Do you feel bad about the patriarchy/"oppression of women" in history?I'm not trying to bate him. I'm using an analogy to highlight how faulty their argument is. Sure women weren't oppressed. We merely restricted their rights and treated them like children and property. They weren't oppressed, because they were merely owned and protected. Similarly black people weren't oppressed either. We merely restricted their rights and treated them like property. They weren't oppressed, they were merely owned and protected. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 03:42 PM |
| 5 | People with low self-esteem seek support from partners in ways that backfireNever open up to a woman you are sexually interested in. Half of the time she doesn’t give a shit, the other half of the time she loses all respect for you. Why would you even date a woman that doesn't give a shit about your problems? It is utterly pointless to talk about your problems with a woman. Not for confident people that are able to communicate their problems openly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 12:59 PM |
| 7 | Do you feel bad about the patriarchy/"oppression of women" in history?So I guess you would also say that slaves weren't oppressed because they were well fed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 11:31 AM |
| 8 | People with low self-esteem seek support from partners in ways that backfireThe study is about the opposite of opening up. It's about the fact that people with low self-esteem do not open up and communicate their issues directly but instead seek support indirectly. The researchers were particularly interested in a phenomenon known as indirect support seeking — meaning sulking, whining, fidgeting, and/or displaying sadness to elicit support. People are believed to engage in this type of indirect communication because they fear being rejected. In two studies, with 176 cou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 11:00 AM |
| 1 | Oneitis and Branch Swinging is RealI've linked a study below the next comment | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 07:45 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women spin plates as well.This thread is meant for those who deny it to explain why they think so, so if you do not want to CMV please take it to the automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 07:44 AM |
| 4 | Do you feel bad about the patriarchy/"oppression of women" in history?But when I hear the Patriarchy, I'd love to see some historical examples. It'd really help the oppression of women if they'd provide examples. First off feminists didn't invent this term. It's simply a term from Ancient Greece: πατριαρχία (patriarkhía). The Ancient Greeks called themselves a πατριαρχία because they were proud πατριάρχης (patriárkhēs). For thousands of years male leaders and the male head of a family called themselves patriarchs, patrilineal lineage was the norm, women were regar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/19 07:35 AM |
| 1 | What exactly is stopping PPD from becoming a "Mod-rule" sub?The incels that don't want to debate, or are incapable of debating can go elsewhere, but I'm not sure at what point it is appropriate for someone else to decide whether or not someone is debating or trying to debate. Well it's often an easy choice and both RP and BP mods agree, but sure other times it's a hard decision. You've got to consider that we sometimes keep an eye on people for several weeks to determine if they should go elsewhere or not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 09:23 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women spin plates as well.It takes skill, practice, and some occasional attention for a man to keep multiple women hooked for a sexual relationship. It takes a woman no skill at all to catch a dick, or even multiple dicks. All she has to do is make herself available. It takes women skill, practice, and an appropriate amount of attention to keep the men from falling in love with her. If he develops feelings or gets clingy she hasn't spun her plates correctly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 09:20 PM |
| 1 | Oneitis and Branch Swinging is RealAs usual studies align with my personal experiences so I wouldn't call it a rare view. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/strictly-casual/201402/what-happens-after-friends-benefits Among the 300 who had an FWB in the last year that had already ended, a full 80% said they were still friends. What's more, 50% reported feeling as close or closer to their ex-FWB partner than before the benefits started, and about 30% were not as close. And, as you can see from the graph below, men and women h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 09:13 PM |
| 1 | What exactly is stopping PPD from becoming a "Mod-rule" sub?Yeah it's a bit different here. Like when my sister was 15 she started dating a 28 year old guy and when my aunt met my uncle she was 14 and he was 33. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 08:58 PM |
| 0 | Oneitis and Branch Swinging is Realfriends don't fuck. fwb is an illusion. men and women aren't really meant to be pals. you hurt your 'friend' and now you're mad at her about it. women don't like being treated like sex objects even if they say they're cool with it. That's how TRP feels, but that's not how it works in the real world. The most likely outcome of a FWB is that they are even closer friends afterwards. Usually it's mutual pleasure and a bonding experience. Those that cease to be friends are a minority (about 18% of al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 08:50 PM |
| 4 | What exactly is stopping PPD from becoming a "Mod-rule" sub?Right. The point I'm trying to make is that incels aren't the only ones capable of being extreme. There are extremes for both TRP and TBP, but I wonder if those types of people would be banned in here as well, or if it's just extremism related to inceldom that people have a problem with. There's an easy scale to detect extremism: are they an incel or a radfem? On average true TRPers are better debaters than MGTOWs which are better than incels. And this is a board where people have constructive d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 07:40 PM |
| 2 | What exactly is stopping PPD from becoming a "Mod-rule" sub?It's because Sad Pepe has been the go-to image macro for incels on the /r9k/ boards to express their feelings. And because that's the sound frogs make it became their go-to autistic screeching to chase away normies (normie is incel slang for neurotypicals) tl;dr: Reee is the sound startled frogs and incels make | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 07:11 PM |
| 5 | What exactly is stopping PPD from becoming a "Mod-rule" sub?Here in Eastern Europe we have different laws and morals regarding age of consent and I've fucked some 12-14 year olds when I was 16-18. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 07:04 PM |
| 5 | What exactly is stopping PPD from becoming a "Mod-rule" sub?Incels tend to be extreme. Extremely annoying and extremely close-minded. There are a handful that are able to debate (although in my book they aren't incels, but just virgins), but most incels can only say "no", "cope" or "you just hate men". The average incels is completely useless for this board, because we could just implement a bot that replies with "cope" to everything. That bot would even be a better debater than the average incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 07:00 PM |
| 2 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womento combat the hypothetical Italian garbage crisis But garbage isn't inherently Italian! How can you just claim that all garbage is Italian? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 01:16 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women spin plates as well.I wouldn't be surprise that RP circles where promiscuity is the norm, this kind of women are quite common. All their talk about LMR and their negative views on female promiscuity don't make it seem as if they ever hung out with the promiscuous crowd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 08:36 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Women spin plates as well.This thread isn't about backup plans or the friend zone. It's about the guys they sleep with without wanting to commit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/19 12:41 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women spin plates as well.Why did you mark it as cmv? Did you think anybody would disagree?? There are some who will disagree and I am simply curious why they think that and what exactly they think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 10:56 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Women spin plates as well.If you don't want to CMV then take it to the automod. This thread is for people who think that these women either don't exist or are extreme outliers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 10:54 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women spin plates as well.How far in the minority would you say? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 10:53 PM |
| 2 | “Fuckboy” is an artificial archetype made up by xSFX women in an attempt to offload their shame.women call men "fuckbois" because they resent that these men won't commit. Women spin plates as well so it could also be the "he looks hot, but he's no relationship material" guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 10:01 PM |
| 5 | How much of the redpill is useful in relationship?The mainstream advice ones like lifting, interacting with people and having boundaries. Everything else just reads like a list of symptoms of a dismissive-avoidant attachment style. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 08:00 PM |
| 1 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenLike 3 years ago. I've never claimed otherwise and often included disclaimers that all the Americans that I know are tourists or students which means that I'm biased towards the not-socially-reclusive crowd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 07:32 PM |
| 1 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenThen please go on and post one of these articles about toxic masculinity that's all about how terrible men are and that they should feel bad for existing. Protip: you can't because that's just a strawman argument Fucking cake: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/white-kids-racism-way-privileged-parenting-props-unjust-system-ncna953951 Okay I grant you that this opinion piece by known troll Noah Berlatsky is inflammatory. But it's not really what I asked for. I'm talking about feminist issues, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 07:18 PM |
| 1 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenEveryone except the social justice crowd also acknowledged the painfully obvious fact that terms like "toxic masculinity" and "the patriarchy" and "whiteness" are in practice consistently employed in article after article about how terrible men and white people are and how bad they should feel for existing. Then please go on and post one of these articles about toxic masculinity that's all about how terrible men are and that they should feel bad for existing. Protip: you can't because that's jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 05:52 PM |
| 1 | Why have all the high Ncount/ partner count women I've met been unhappy? Or gone into depression?You've got your causation backwards. Having sex is one of the ways people cope with their depression, but it isn't what causes their depression in the first place. You could also ask "why are all fat people that I meet on a diet? Does dieting make you fat?" or "why are all skaters that I meet depressed? Does being outdoors, active and fit make people depressed?", but it would be just as nonsensical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 05:35 PM |
| 0 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenWhere is blaming society taking place at all here? We are blaming toxic masculinity therefore we are obviously blaming society. If we blame societal standards and expectations that are placed upon men we are obviously blaming society. Everyone - except the manosphere of course - is able to understand that "these societal standards are harmful" isn't the same as "men are harmful" and that it is a critique of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 05:10 PM |
| 0 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenHow is blaming society the same as placing the fault upon men? Can you at least try to come up with an actual argument instead of solely using it as an opportunity to whine about some imaginary attack on men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 03:37 PM |
| 1 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenWait, how am I naive just because you can only think in the most oversimplified black and white extremes? lol that's so funny The problem here is you have naively convinced yourself that there is something inherently wrong within men How am I saying that there is something inherently wrong with men? I'm not complaining about men or their inherent nature. I'm complaining about harmful societal standards and expectations that are placed upon them. That's like the opposite. and that whatever the pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 01:40 PM |
| 1 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenJust watch the video. It's like three minutes long and funny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 01:20 PM |
| 1 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenMen from non-western cultures might be more masculine, but they usually do not have to follow such a fragile and narrow gender role. They might be more masculine, but the societal standards they are expected to fulfill aren't as toxic (or they are toxic in other ways). Things like asking for help or getting medical help, hugging each other, crying and being compassionate aren't universally associated with being a faggot, but those aspects of traditional western masculinity are why western men ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 12:54 PM |
| 0 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenHow is the video irrelevant to my comment? This video perfectly highlights toxic masculinity and how it affects men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 12:45 PM |
| 1 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenIt's a quote from the video. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 12:35 PM |
| -1 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenHere in the west men that need help are getting called pussies/fags, but this attitude doesn't exist across cultures. There's also a significant gender difference in the willingness to seek help, but this gender difference doesn't exist in cultures without this aspect of toxic masculinity. If toxic masculinity isn't a reason for the increased suicide rates of men then please explain why there are cultural differences in the willingness of men to seek medical, therapeutic and psychological help. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 12:33 PM |
| 5 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenHow does "toxic feminism" cause more men to be CEOs? By the way, are you aware that there's a difference between femininity and feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 11:48 AM |
| 2 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenThe title is "what are you a fag" and the content is about the fact that men get asked if they are a fag whenever they do something positive. He says the title several times. How is the title not relevant to the content? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 11:17 AM |
| 4 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenToxic masculinity is also the reason why men drop dead at 55 and why they have such increased suicide rates. "That's why guys drop dead at 50, from like 40 years of not being able to admit a puppy's cute" - Bill Burr | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 11:00 AM |
| 1 | ''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than womenToxic masculinity is also the reason why men drop dead at 55 and why they have such increased suicide rates. "That's why guys drop dead at 50, from like 40 years of not being able to admit a puppy's cute" - Bill Burr | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/19 10:59 AM |
| 0 | [Critique my reasoning] Women would rather be with a man who sends her on an emotional rollercoaster than be with someone boring and predictable (but reliable). But they'll never admit it.I didn't force you to post low-effort shitposts outside of the automod though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/19 02:03 PM |
| 1 | [Critique my reasoning] Women would rather be with a man who sends her on an emotional rollercoaster than be with someone boring and predictable (but reliable). But they'll never admit it.Nice ad-hominen, but that's not an actual argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/19 01:13 PM |
| 9 | [Critique my reasoning] Women would rather be with a man who sends her on an emotional rollercoaster than be with someone boring and predictable (but reliable). But they'll never admit it.You are describing a minority of women. Emotional roller-coasters are something that women with an anxious-preoccupied attachment style enjoy. If you've been using RP tactics to attract women it's no surprise that you would think that this is true for women in general, but you've got to consider that just because securely attached women see RP tactics as a red flag that this doesn't mean that they don't exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/19 07:09 AM |
| 1 | CMV: radical redpillers and radical feminist are two sides to the same coin.You try to say "oh the reseach is not about X" and I say "yeah, but it still explain X, even if it was not its original intent The numbers show X" You say "nonsense". Can we just stay here for a while, because it's very revelant for my OkCupid question. How does it prove TRP? TRP uses it to show that women care more about looks than men and that only the top 20% of men have a chance. But what it actually shows is that looks matter less to women. I call those things nonsense because they do not s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/19 08:44 AM |
| 0 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?Whenever I directly quoted the sidebar or mods I also got accused of strawmanning TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 10:02 PM |
| 1 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?Living in the closet caused me to overcompensate. That shouldn't be surprising. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 07:03 PM |
| 0 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?TRP make claims about female nature. Those claims should hold true across the world. Studies that have been done in the US don't lose value just because it's a foreigner that cites them. There are lots of American tourists and students here. None of them are like a pre-TRP TeRP that believes that looks do not matter at all and that being nice is everything. They are just normal guys, because American culture isn't that different. I probably fucked more American women than half the guys here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 06:58 PM |
| 1 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?It isn't inherently toxic, because one can be an ethical pick up artist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 03:03 PM |
| 0 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?Why would I specify it further? I do not want to have too much personal information floating around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?Eastern Europe | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 02:27 PM |
| 0 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?10/10 debating skills! Would give you gold if I had some. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?Rape is a social construct, meaning that something isn't universally an act of rape just because some puritan cultures think so. In the US it would be statutory rape and morally wrong, but here we have "close-in-age" exemptions that makes this legally, morally and socially acceptable. In the US I would be seen as a monster, but here it's normal teenager behavior and no one cares. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 02:07 PM |
| 1 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?It's true though. I just haven't seen see toxic masculinity being as helpful as regular masculinity in my life. How does toxic masculinity help men? As someone that got indoctrinated with it I've got first hand experience that tells me that it is neither beneficial nor required to get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 02:02 PM |
| 1 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?Quite frankly, I sincerely hope he's trolling, because otherwise he's even less self-aware than I though How would that make me less self-aware? Are you just grasping at any straws right now? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 01:59 PM |
| 0 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?Nope. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 01:10 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: There is no male or female brainWell that's not controversial. We feminists even always say that LGBT people were born this way. If it was all about nurture being gay or trans would actually be a choice and we could just nurture them to be cishet, but that's not what any SJW believes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 11:41 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: There is no male or female brainI think I dropped half my comment. I actually wanted to say that it depends on which parts of the brain. That they only count as transgender if their internal gender identity is like the opposite sex. Otherwise they don't even feel like the opposite sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 11:33 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: There is no male or female brainsex differences in brain structure do exist However, if there is actually a physiological reason for them to "feel like the other gender" then, they should get support because, that's just how they are. These sex differences are exactly why transgender people feel like the opposite sex. There are only very few parts of the brain that are sexually dimorphic, but for transgender people they are evidently like the opposite sex. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 11:31 AM |
| 2 | Discussion: There is no male or female brainTransgender people more closely resemble the other sex, especially their sexually dimorphic nucleus and their internal self-perception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 11:19 AM |
| 4 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?Why did you change? Primarily due to psychedelics and moving away from the ass-backwards small town I grew up in. MDMA made me feel empathy for the first time in my life and gave me a strong kick in my butt to become a better person. You seem like you were having a good time It wasn't. Fake friends, ONS with strangers and superficial relationships with drama-prone AWALT women aren't fulfilling. I barely even remember half the things I experienced because I was constantly drunk and on drugs. Don’… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 09:57 AM |
| 0 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?Wow that's such an intellectual argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 09:16 AM |
| 2 | Former Red Pill's of this sub, what convinced you out of your former mindset?TRP isn't some kind of secret knowledge. It's actually just high school dating advice which most people usually grow out of once they get actual experience. Every normal teenager has a RP phase, because normal teenage boys encourage this hypermasculine/mysterious/alpha/dngaf posturing and "women are manipulative children" bullshit amongst each other. As a normal socially active and influenceable teen I've been more alpha and RP than most of the TRPers here. I bullied and domineered lower status … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 08:37 AM |
| 1 | CMV: radical redpillers and radical feminist are two sides to the same coin.We have many, Okcupid, Tinder, Genectic Y chromosome bottleneck, Divorce statistics. Homosexual divorce statistics, Cuckouldry in the human genome project. All those I put up here. What do YOU have? Let's just start with one first. How does OkCupid prove TRP right? Note: I'm talking about the actual conclusions of the OkCupid study and not about the autistic misinterpretations that TRPers came up with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 07:26 AM |
| 1 | CMV: radical redpillers and radical feminist are two sides to the same coin.I'm talking about actual science and not about autistic misinterpretations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/19 07:23 AM |
| 5 | CMV: radical redpillers and radical feminist are two sides to the same coin.Because your control is pre-red pill. That's not a good control group. You should use people that rely on mainstream advice as a control group and not people that lived in a delusional fantasy world where women are perfect angels that would never lie and looks do not matter at all. Sure it works better than having no strategy at all, but drinking piss is also better than drinking nothing, but that doesn't make it a good drink. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 09:14 PM |
| 6 | CMV: radical redpillers and radical feminist are two sides to the same coin.No you cant. The subject of frame and shit tests are nowhere near any mainstream relationship stuff. Well that's because you can find those in the basic social skills section. Having boundaries, acting confident, staying true to your principles, being yourself, not being a pushover, not taking everything literally/personally, engaging in banter and such are seriously no secret tricks that can only be found on TRP. Taking woman off their pedistle and only watching their behaviour and disregarding… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 09:05 PM |
| 10 | CMV: radical redpillers and radical feminist are two sides to the same coin.Well that's just not true at all. Taking the red pill and fixing myself resolved my deadbedroom as a byproduct. Fixing yourself is the most basic aspect of mainstream advice. How can you know that it was TRP that helped and not the fact that you've got your life in order, got fit and became more confident? You could have opened any men's magazine to get similarly helpful advice, but without the misogyny and manipulative tactics of TRP. So what was it that helped? Was it the mainstream stuff or w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 07:57 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Men aren't out of touch with their emotions; men are simply more emotionally matureThe SJWs here are often defending men. Especially because a lot of misandry comes from TRPers and that makes pointing it out twice as fun. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 07:43 PM |
| 2 | CMV: radical redpillers and radical feminist are two sides to the same coin.The darker the shade of red the more radical. TRP is less radical than MGTOW which is less radical than incels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 07:39 PM |
| 11 | CMV: radical redpillers and radical feminist are two sides to the same coin.The red pill is just observable reality. If it based on observable reality, how come only incels and bitter men with a dismissive-avoidant attachment style observe it? Something is based on observable reality if it based on empirical evidence, but not if it's based on anecdotes and ramblings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 07:32 PM |
| 1 | Why do you think women love men who are sociopaths?Which claim? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 01:18 PM |
| 1 | Why do you think women love men who are sociopaths?And again, in follow up studies that looked more deeply at the question "does the appeal of Dark Triad charm extend to only a subset of women?", they found that women higher in Dark Triad traits themselves find the Dark Triad traits more attractive than women who are low in these traits. https://scholarworks.csustan.edu/bitstream/handle/011235813/1205/BoriaA%20Fall%202017.pdf?sequence=1 Although narcissism was found to be more attractive than the others, this trait overall was not found to be at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 11:35 AM |
| 0 | Why do you think women love men who are sociopaths?Studies that correlate DT with attractiveness typically don't involve DT men/relationships at all. And usually that's gone if you control for their clothing/style. They usually simply describe men of different personality to women and then ask them to pick what they most prefer, and what they most prefer is DT men. Source required. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 10:53 AM |
| 3 | Why do you think women love men who are sociopaths?Studies do not show this. Oversimplified TRP misinterpretations of those studies show that, but if you read the actual conclusions you will notice that it's much more nuanced. It's not women as a demographic that are attracted to DT men. Actually it's just that DT men have a lower set of standards and engage in assortative mating with DT women. https://ink.library.smu.edu.sg/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2384&context=soss_research However, men had somewhat lower standards than women did for short-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 10:34 AM |
| 3 | question for blue pillDo not misgender people as a joke. This is a debate board and not a MGTOW circlejerk board. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 09:54 AM |
| 2 | The Purge concludesIs this a reference to Ancient Rome? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 08:57 AM |
| 1 | Men choosing to opt out of traditional committed relationships is the coal miner’s canary for culture.The purge is over. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 09:39 PM |
| 3 | I am a woman.You never bring up facts though Facts are still facts even though TRPers ignore scientific studies and psychological research that isn't in line with their feelings. and you act butthurt in every topic made by terps even when they use actual science to back up their claims I've never acted butthurt. I've got the patience of a saint. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 09:08 PM |
| 37 | Why do you think women love men who are sociopaths?The word you are looking for is Hybristophilia There's even a book about those women title Women Who Love Men Who Kill The author interviewed three hundred women that have been writing love letters to serial killers, rapists and other criminals that have been sentenced for life. Each and every single one of those women had a history of childhood abuse. They are usually deeply broken and insecure women that cannot find love in other ways, or that are love-avoidant, who seek relationships that can… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Wait, there are actually blue pills on here?I no longer default to trusting women after what I’ve seen. AWALT might as well be absolutely true. There are chads everywhere. Here's the thing: assuming that all women are pure angels that would never cheat or lie isn't the position of TBP That's placing women on the pedestal of benevolent sexism, which we are against. We are arguing that women are people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 07:11 PM |
| 3 | The Purge concludesSounds like a regular day on PPD. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 07:01 PM |
| 1 | The Purge concludesHow did people even have time for this purge? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 06:44 PM |
| 1 | HOT or NOT --- PPD editionYeah lizard girls have been a thing in the skateboard world for a summer and edgy teenage me loved it. Fun fact: this shirt was a gift from a female friend | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 06:33 PM |
| 2 | HOT or NOT --- PPD editionNah. I prefer male privilege. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 05:35 PM |
| 2 | Wait, there are actually blue pills on here?Well for a start: AWALT describes a minority of women, but TRP was engineered to attract those. It's a self-reinforcing cycle The difference between TRP and TBP is simply that TBPers prefer facts and scientific research while TRPers prefer their hurt feelings and conspiracy theories. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Purge Time! Only the top 20% of sexually successful men should be allowed to have sons, by some technological means of handwaving.Petition to change his flair color to red. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 05:21 PM |
| 2 | Demisexuality is bullshitDoes heterosexual also imply LGBT status? I don't understand that logic at all | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Demisexuality is bullshitHow are they playing victimhood by labeling themselves as demisexual? I seriously do not understand your logical leap here at all | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 05:06 PM |
| 6 | I am a woman.It's easy. You bring up logical arguments which means that you must be a man. I make TRPers feel bad by disagreeing that their hurt feelings are objective facts which means that I must be a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 04:41 PM |
| 1 | HOT or NOT --- PPD editionI'm cute and always have been. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 04:05 PM |
| 1 | Wait, there are actually blue pills on here?Anyone who doesn’t see it is most likely unsuccessful with the opposite sex, or at least below average. That's funny considering that TRP is popular among incels and the blue pill among men with actual experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 02:05 PM |
| 1 | Purge day was funWish there were more people challenging my viewpoints. It's sad... I'm surprised that there were any people at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 01:59 PM |
| 2 | The hypocrisy of body-shaming feminists?Don't play dumb. You know that the dictionary definition of feminism is: any woman that makes me angry | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/19 01:27 PM |
| 6 | The Purge - Announcement (2018)👍 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/18 07:14 PM |
| 9 | Why sluterry is bad in my opinionThese girls do not end up with those guys. Why? That is the mystery. Usually they do. There's a significant amount of matching in the amount of previous sexual partners among married couples. There's no mystery. You are just angry and desperately hope that your revenge fantasies are true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/18 11:59 PM |
| 2 | Male feminists and their hypocrisyStop projecting. You've got to consider that there are also men out there that aren't desperate incels. Not everything is done in order to get laid. Some people are just good people instead of just pretending to be good in order to get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/18 03:50 PM |
| 3 | Male feminists and their hypocrisyStop projecting. You've got to consider that there are also men out there that aren't desperate incels. Not everything is done in order to get laid. Some people are just good people without just pretending in order to get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/18 03:48 PM |
| 1 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/a87ue6/z/ec90s64 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/18 05:44 AM |
| 1 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?Here's a bunch: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/a87ue6/z/ec90s64 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/18 05:44 AM |
| 5 | The 20/80 rule. When guys talk about women, they only talk about the top 20%Women might rate 80% as unattractive, but they still message them. Men rate them in a bell curve, but primarily message the most attractive ones. The OkCupid blog shows the opposite of what you want it to show. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/18 05:42 AM |
| 5 | The 20/80 rule. When guys talk about women, they only talk about the top 20%It's important to read the full conclusion instead of cherry picking the parts that you agree with. The OkCupid study simply doesn't show what TRPers want it to show. It actually shows that looks matter much less to women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/18 05:41 AM |
| 3 | A dutch man, aged 69, tried to change his age to 49, gets rejected by the courtYou've got to consider that brain scans consistently prove transgender people right so a better analogy would be this or that person. There are some kids that simply do not mature. Legally they would be adults, because they are of legal age, but biologically they are still kids because they did not mature since they were a baby. I would have no problem with them stating that they are age 3 even though they are 18 years old, because biologically they haven't matured past age 3. Technically transg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/18 01:29 PM |
| 1 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?Like I said before, you need to test something before dismissing it B. Maybe this time you will try and see for yourself? And like I said before: what exactly should I be trying? What aspects of TRP would be helpful for me? And why do you think that I haven't tried those already? I mean everyone was a teen once. When I was 15 I already naturally acted RP in order to prevent myself from getting hurt emotionally. The mysterious, stoic, distant, domineering and DNGAF attitude that RP prescribes is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/18 12:55 PM |
| 1 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?If AWALT is perfectly fine, why isn't ARPALT? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/18 12:03 AM |
| 1 | What's up with your taste in men?That's actually an interesting point, because I would say that those tend to be bi. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/18 01:10 PM |
| 1 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?I will admit, I do not believe blue pills most of the time in this sub because of their past record, and because of experimentation. I like to test out some people's claims like "women do not like douchebags" or "TRP only works in women with low self esteem" and... they almost never hold water. These two things highly depend on the definition of "douchebag" and "TRP". Often it's like "women like douchebags that are extroverted, that have tattoos, take drugs, party and are athletes", but I disagr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/18 10:05 AM |
| 2 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?We've had a sex worker here like one or two years ago, but she got chased away when incels started to blame her for her childhood rape. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/18 09:40 AM |
| 2 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?I do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/18 12:14 AM |
| 5 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?I've heard several normie women talk about cat gifs and memes they saw on Reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 11:05 PM |
| 8 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?It isn't 2008 anymore. Reddit is mainstream now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 10:55 PM |
| 5 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?That's not analogous. If I am debating with an incel/asshole/rapist or loser and take their experiences and opinions seriously I can get an insight into how they think and why. I can then also debate based on what they are saying. But if I just assuming that anyone who I disagree with is lying it leads nowhere. Thinking that someone is an asshole is not the same as thinking that someone is lying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 10:49 PM |
| 6 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?It's just a heuristic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?No downvoting. There's a reason why the button is hidden. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 10:07 PM |
| 15 | Why do y’all ask for women’s opinions/experiences and then not believe us?You've got to consider that the average TRPer is more autistic than the average autists. They require an extremely oversimplified worldview like TRP, because uncertainty, ambiguity and nuance scares them. The men here tend to be extremely dogmatic about their beliefs and also can't even understand that women aren't all the same person. It would take them too much mental effort to treat women as individuals so they reduce them to a simple flowchart: is it a woman? Then AWALT They do care about wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 09:56 PM |
| 1 | Should little to no reciprocity in physical touch (but not rejection) be taken as consent?This is fucking crazy: women on here DO require that you are mind reader. No. They just require you to be neurotypical and to understand boundaries. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 08:49 PM |
| 6 | Should little to no reciprocity in physical touch (but not rejection) be taken as consent?WHICH IS IT? Just because you can only think in black and white extremes this doesn't mean those are the only two choices. What about simply approaching women without raping them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 08:43 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: In your opinion, what are the most insightful/important/useful PPD threads of all time, and why?Greasy I actually had you on my list of TRPers that are able to read and understand complete sentences, but I guess I have to take you off it now. It's now an empty list again. "Wolf Whistling at girls" doesn't fit the definition of toxic masculinity you always give us (things men do that hurt themselves or other men) and it ONLY fits the description that we constantly tell you is "how the term is actually used in real life" (things men do that women don't want them to do). "things men do that h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 09:48 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: In your opinion, what are the most insightful/important/useful PPD threads of all time, and why?Also, who said their friends know better? never heard of "tell me who you walk with and I will tell you who you are"? Please start to read complete sentences. "if all your friends are just as spergy and virginal as you there's your problem." has already answered this question. Like those that say for men to be friends with women? Or to lift, to dress better, to act more confident, how to flirt, etc. Men's magazines do have much more content than just "be friends with women" I know you are not a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/18 09:19 AM |
| 4 | Q4ALL: In your opinion, what are the most insightful/important/useful PPD threads of all time, and why?People think that because that's how it's used. It was specifically designed to disparage masculinity. I still haven't seen it being used that way. It's a strawman argument that shows that TRPers are unwilling to have a honest discussion At the same time it was designed in such a way as to portray all of men's problems as their own fault while attributing women's problems to men. They aren't blaming men. They are blaming society, and women are a part of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/18 04:11 PM |
| 0 | Q4ALL: In your opinion, what are the most insightful/important/useful PPD threads of all time, and why?zero alternatives It's not our fault that TRPers have been downvoting and ignoring suggestions of alternatives. For example this, that or this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/18 03:33 PM |
| 10 | Attraction and mentally ill womanSplitting, or black-and-white thinking, is the most common trait among TRPers. In all the years I've been here I haven't seen a single Red Piller that's able to understand nuance. It's also a psychological defense mechanism that is very common among narcissists and people with BPD or depression. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/18 10:13 AM |
| 5 | Are you really "alpha" if you have to approach women ?Diversity hire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/18 07:38 AM |
| 1 | [Question for Everyone] If you're BP: what's 1 good thing about TRP. If you're TRP: what's 1 good thing about BP. Feel free to list more than 1, and elaborate too.There is no consistent IQ difference between Black adoptees raised by Whites and White adoptees raised by Whites. But nice dodge. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 11:53 PM |
| 6 | [Question for Everyone] If you're BP: what's 1 good thing about TRP. If you're TRP: what's 1 good thing about BP. Feel free to list more than 1, and elaborate too.Studies that support our position: 1 million Studies that support your position: the Bible | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 11:43 PM |
| 1 | [Question for Everyone] If you're BP: what's 1 good thing about TRP. If you're TRP: what's 1 good thing about BP. Feel free to list more than 1, and elaborate too.Well in this case they are probably one of the rare outliers that would regret it later so it would make sense to be extra cautious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 11:35 PM |
| 5 | [Question for Everyone] If you're BP: what's 1 good thing about TRP. If you're TRP: what's 1 good thing about BP. Feel free to list more than 1, and elaborate too.It's not laughable just because it's not in line with your feelings. We simply prefer facts and the scientific and medical community is on our side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 11:26 PM |
| 5 | [Question for Everyone] If you're BP: what's 1 good thing about TRP. If you're TRP: what's 1 good thing about BP. Feel free to list more than 1, and elaborate too.Lift | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 11:06 PM |
| 6 | Are you really "alpha" if you have to approach women ?Had to approve like ten different comments. It's never been this many. Someone must have gotten triggered hard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 10:57 PM |
| – | Are you really "alpha" if you have to approach women ?Goddammit incels stop reporting comments from men that talk about women approaching them. They aren't lying or trolling just because you haven't experienced it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 08:11 PM |
| 2 | The Purpose of MarriageI don't want to spoil the surprise, but that will be my Christmas present to PPD | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 08:06 PM |
| 5 | What would be the top 5 red pill suggestion be for being successful with women ( attracting them, getting laid, having a good LTR..etc). What would the top 5 blue pill suggestions be, and how do they differ?That's because there are two BPs. There's the Disney-fantasy blue pill. It's the "women are perfect angels that would never lie", "put her on a pedestal", "just act nice" and "looks don't matter at all" pill that TRPers used to swallow before they switched to the red pill. But then there's also the /r/TheBluePill blue pill. It's all the people who think that /r/TheRedPill is wrong, harmful, misogynistic or stupid. They also relate to attachment styles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 07:13 PM |
| 2 | What would be the top 5 red pill suggestion be for being successful with women ( attracting them, getting laid, having a good LTR..etc). What would the top 5 blue pill suggestions be, and how do they differ?That's weird, but here it is: 1 Live your life to serve a woman 2 Put a woman first 3 Do everything in relation to her 4 Put her on a pedestal 5 Women love soyboys with dad's bodies | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 06:07 PM |
| 4 | What would be the top 5 red pill suggestion be for being successful with women ( attracting them, getting laid, having a good LTR..etc). What would the top 5 blue pill suggestions be, and how do they differ?The strawman are his BP points | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 05:31 PM |
| 4 | What would be the top 5 red pill suggestion be for being successful with women ( attracting them, getting laid, having a good LTR..etc). What would the top 5 blue pill suggestions be, and how do they differ?Because there's not a single TBPer that has ever suggested these things. Either he's completely incapable of understanding nuance (which wouldn't be surprising given that he's red-aligned) or he just made it up (which wouldn't be surprising either considering that red people generally do not care about facts at all). Either way it's just a strawman argument without any basis in reality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 05:29 PM |
| 5 | What would be the top 5 red pill suggestion be for being successful with women ( attracting them, getting laid, having a good LTR..etc). What would the top 5 blue pill suggestions be, and how do they differ?Repeating this doesn't make your argument any better. It's still a poor strawman that's entirely based on extreme black and white thinking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 05:11 PM |
| 2 | What would be the top 5 red pill suggestion be for being successful with women ( attracting them, getting laid, having a good LTR..etc). What would the top 5 blue pill suggestions be, and how do they differ?Mgtow is the only rational response to modern society. But why? Women like me and I like them. I enjoy dating, so I see no reason why I should stop. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 04:04 PM |
| 1 | What would be the top 5 red pill suggestion be for being successful with women ( attracting them, getting laid, having a good LTR..etc). What would the top 5 blue pill suggestions be, and how do they differ?how do they differ I'd say the main difference would be where they start. Blue pillers usually provide suggestions that are helpful for people that already have basic social skills. Like be more confident, dare to be yourself, don't be an asshole, have fun and find your niche. Red pill usually provides suggestions for people that need to learn what basic social skills are, that looks matter, that women aren't all just perfect angels that would never lie and that people aren't always talking a hu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.TRP has the exact same approach to studies as creationists or flat-earthers. They simply cherry-pick those parts that are in line with their feelings and completely ignore anything else. They aren't using studies to come to conclusions, they already have the answer and desperately look for proof. Often times they rely on studies that actually show the opposite of what TRPers are claiming. The best way to debunk TRP is usually to simply read their sources, because they never actually support thei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 12:15 PM |
| 2 | "If You Don't Marry A Past Slut, Then You'll End Up In A Sexless Marriage!"Actually that ain't true either. A mismatch between the amount of sexual partners is a better predictor of divorce than her n-count. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 11:58 AM |
| 1 | "If You Don't Marry A Past Slut, Then You'll End Up In A Sexless Marriage!"Maybe we have vastly different versions of what Alpha men are. Yes. I consider confident men that actually have sex with women to be alphas instead of role-playing TRPs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 11:56 AM |
| 1 | "If You Don't Marry A Past Slut, Then You'll End Up In A Sexless Marriage!"If you lined up 100 men and asked them to pick a virgin or a promiscuous women that looked identical. Most would pick the virgin. Higher Market Value. A third of them wouldn't want the virgin and high n-count men usually prefer women with similarly high n-counts. It is just the truth. Solipsism isn't the truth. It may be true for you, but this doesn't mean that it is true for all men just because you lack theory of mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 11:55 AM |
| 3 | "If You Don't Marry A Past Slut, Then You'll End Up In A Sexless Marriage!"Alpha men usually just bang these women and move on to the next one. They are investing neither emotions nor resources in these women. Several studies showed that high n-count people usually date and marry people with a similarly high n-count. Your feelings on this matter do not debunk these facts. Yeah, alpha guys totally love to get cucked, makes total sense. You are arguing from an insecure perspective, but not from the perspective of alpha guys. Alpha men aren't neurotic and insecure. They d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 11:46 AM |
| 4 | Why the absolutes when it comes to what's considered a lie?Didn't you know that all women are the same things? You might claim that you aren't attracted to abusive men, but there are a few rare outliers that are attracted to them. That's a contradiction. If you apply AWALT it becomes evident that you must be lying, because it's impossible that you are different than those other women. By applying AWALT we can empirically prove that you are in fact attracted to abusive men. AWALT confirmed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 07:43 AM |
| 0 | Why the absolutes when it comes to what's considered a lie?Evidence? Lol that's funny The fact that there are a few rare outliers that are attracted to abusive men isn't proof that this is true for women in general just because the manosphere can't handle any kind of nuance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 07:37 AM |
| 12 | Why the absolutes when it comes to what's considered a lie?That's not a Man-thing, that's a neurotic-and-autistic-manosphere-Man thing. The men on this board tend to be extreme black and white thinkers that can only think in the most oversimplified ways possible, but normal men don't suffer from the same neurological limitations. You won't find any man out there that's like "she doesn't want to sleep with me? That means she wants the bottom 80% of men to be killed off" even though half of the men on this board are like that. Don't let the fact that this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/18 07:34 AM |
| – | Toxic masculinity is just masculinity but from unattractive menNo low-effort shitposts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 07:19 PM |
| 3 | What gender differences could be eliminated through socializations?That's an amazing argument. Thanks for your valuable insight. Why are you even on a debate board if you can't even speak in complete sentences? /r/incels is over there | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 06:38 PM |
| 6 | Schopenhauer's "On Women"Here are some more nuanced definitions: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/misogyny hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, or prejudice against women. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/misogyny feelings of hating women, or the belief that men are much better than women https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/misogyny Dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women So yes you are right that he didn't explicitly say that he hates women, but he made it pretty cl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 05:47 PM |
| 1 | Off Topic Thread: What would be your dream job? (15 December 2018)It's great even without the women. Amazing beer, nice people, cheap and legal drugs, good food and lots of history/culture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 05:33 PM |
| 3 | Schopenhauer's "On Women"So, where's the hatred? Read his essay. It's all over the place. His essay is the dictionary definition of misogyny. If you look up misogyny in the dictionary you will find "for an example see: On Women from Schopenhauer" He even has its own paragraph on the Wikipedia page about misogyny: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny#Arthur_Schopenhauer | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 05:27 PM |
| 5 | Schopenhauer's "On Women"Yes, but the TRP sidebar == TRP It's from a MGTOW blog, but it's still one of the most important pieces of TRP theory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 04:14 PM |
| 9 | Schopenhauer's "On Women"How does it not? Years later he himself admitted that it was based on his bitterness with his immature mother and that he no longer believes that it is true for women in general. He then also stated that he believes that women can even grow more than a man if she raises herself above the mass: "I have not yet spoken my last word about women. I believe that if a woman succeeds in withdrawing from the mass, or rather raising herself above the mass, she grows ceaselessly and more than a man." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 04:13 PM |
| 12 | Schopenhauer's "On Women"but this looks a lot like something you would find on the Manosphere, and it was written almost 200 years ago. It indeed is something you can find on the manosphere. It's the basis for their sidebar article Woman: The Most Responsible Teenager In The House and is also commonly quoted on TRP, MGTOW and incel boards. What are your general thoughts on this essay? That it fits perfectly together with RP-"science". I mean, who else except TRPers would even think that something like "One need only loo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 04:06 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.Read my comment again. I'm talking about toxic masculinity, but I'm not saying that masculinity is toxic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 10:46 AM |
| 14 | "If You Don't Marry A Past Slut, Then You'll End Up In A Sexless Marriage!"Promiscuous women have lower SMV for a reason. This is just a fact. No alpha male will settle for a women who has been used by others. They will fuck you but they will not settle for you. There evidently is a significant amount of matching in the number of sexual partners, meaning that high n-count men generally choose to date high n-count women instead of virgins. You've got to consider that alpha men aren't as insecure, neurotic and paranoid as the manosphere. You can't just use your solipsism… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 09:36 AM |
| 6 | What gender differences could be eliminated through socializations?And then there's something like motherhood. Can you socialize a woman not to be nurturing and can you control their desire to have children? And then there's testosterone. Can you socialize a man not to be competitive? Things that are directly based on biological factors aren't gender differences. They are sex differences I'm not really sure whether gender is a social construct or not. Gender is a social construct, because that's simply what it is defined as. It's a social construct because it r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/18 08:15 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.He is the only one that cares, because seriously, even his own example are hlariously immature. I mean, who but a 15 year old kid would care about being called a faggot for drinking wine??? Who but a kid? No man would give a flying fuck. Didn't you say that toxic masculinity is men being men So what is it? Is it men being men or is it a hilariously immature version of masculinity? And it is ironic, since TRP teaches men to just STOP GIVING A FUCK and do what they like to do. And to bloops that's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 11:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.Men being normal isn't toxic masculinity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 11:26 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.But I digress, bloops and women want men TO JUST GET IT, they do not want them to learn. As I always say: masculinity isn't the problem. Toxic masculinity is. You are seeing this in a way too black and white way. You can teach men how to be masculine. Just don't do it in a harmful or extreme way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 11:25 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.So you are telling me you are not this person: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a700wf/cmv_toxic_masculinity_doesnt_benefit_men/ec0kzq2 Why would you try to tell me that you didn't post this link? I can see that it's your username | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 11:05 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.Duh obviously. It would just be way too much effort to even start unraveling it. Here are some examples. Let's take another one: having a high n-count. A long history of sexual partners is valued in men, because it's a demonstration of how many women they can convince to select them for mating. It's a direct measure of their value on the sexual marketplace. And we tend to see women going more for men with high n-counts. It may not be that the actual n-count is what is attracting women, but it is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 10:58 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.But it doesn't challenge my view, because neither the video nor that comment are arguing in favor of toxic masculinity. The vid argues that "what are you a fag" prevents men from doing positive things and that it makes them drop dead at 55. And wub was are arguing that it isn't beneficial for the human race, which is just a stronger form of my argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.It's not cherry picking just because you feel differently about those facts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 09:59 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.Oddly enough, the examples you give have NOTHING to do with masculinity. Your examples are not real world examples but instead caricatures. Well that's the point. They aren't examples of masculinity. They are examples of toxic masculinity. Toxic masculinity isn't real masculinity. It's a overblown and harmful version of regular masculinity. Drinking wine does not make you masculine or non-masculine. Eating meat does not make you masculine. Yes that's the point. Eating meat does not make you masc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 09:58 PM |
| 2 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.You can continue this train of thought. Liberals are using their influence to force scientists to promote the climate change hoax. Liberals are using their influence to force historians, archeologists and biologists to promote evil-ution and to hide the truth that the earth is only 9000 years old. Liberals are using their influence to force psychologists to promote the idea that LGBT is natural even though everyone knows that the story of the Garden of Eden is the literal truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 05:11 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.I don't think that's toxic or particularly even masculine. So why did you post your clickbaity link then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.21... that's a really weird way to spell 125 125 isn't even high so I don't even understand why you had to lie and make it smaller in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.Still just your feelings and not a fact-based argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 08:58 AM |
| 0 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.Have you even listened? I'm not a TRPer, so if you want to convince me otherwise you've got to use facts-based arguments instead of your feelings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 08:53 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.Would you say that offering a women a coat on a cold date night, offering them to help them carry heave stuff or being willing to provide for their family are good examples of "toxic masculinity"? If not I do not see how your link is relevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 08:44 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.I'm a man as well, but I sleep with more women than my toxic peers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 08:41 AM |
| 2 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.Did you even listen? I'm not a TRPer so your feels-based argument doesn't help to debunk my facts-based argument at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 08:40 AM |
| 2 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.You do not even need to discuss politics in order to find partners with similar political ideology. Like someone who's creative and open for new experiences will naturally be more into liberals and someone who's afraid of brown people and the war on Christmas will naturally be more into conservatives. Even if those two examples wouldn't discuss politics with each other they would still know that the other isn't suitable due to their personality differences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 08:32 AM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.I'd pin it more on politics being correlated to SES. If you're in a small town that lost out big on automation and globalization, you're more likely to be red. And so are any neighbors you might date. If you're at some big university, both you and any classmates you might date are probably getting equally indoctrinated by the 90%-left faculty and administration. This effect is true even if you control for location/environment. Yeah, no. It's not the right that's rejecting any science that might … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 08:07 AM |
| 3 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.But compared to conservative positions? By far not as many | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 08:03 AM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.Amazing facts-based argument you've got there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 08:02 AM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.Which of these do you disagree with? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 07:55 AM |
| 3 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.liberals and TBPers tend to be egalitarian, open, nuanced and prefer facts-based arguments Yeah they prefer 'facts' as long as those facts consist of propaganda and distortions that fit their pre-conceived notions of the world. Liberals are much more likely to accept new research that goes against their preconceived notions. Unlike conservatives who are much more likely to believe that the earth is literally 9000 years old or that climate change is just a Chinese conspiracy theory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 07:48 AM |
| 1 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.I don't think articles about people preferring people from similiar political backgrounds prove these people have different 'dating scripts' or see different overall trends. But TBPers and TRPers have different dating scripts. So how would you explain why dating looks so different for TRPers? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 07:47 AM |
| 3 | Could this research help to explain the RP and BP divide: Assortative mating in politics.Wow thanks for that facts-based argument! You totally proved me wrong by telling me how you feel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 07:45 AM |
| 4 | Q4Women: What are your views on "woke" men?Assortative mating is a thing. Liberal women simply prefer liberal men and this has been shown to be true in countless studies. The halo effect makes liberal men look more attractive to liberal women: https://psmag.com/news/the-alluring-look-of-a-like-minded-liberal When political affiliation went unmentioned, “Democratic and Republican males found the female target equally attractive,” the researchers report. “Likewise, female Democrats and Republicans found the male target equally attractive. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/18 12:03 AM |
| 2 | Feminists Think Sexist Men Are Sexier than "Woke" MenActually the conclusion of this study was that feminists are attracted to pedestalizing blue pill betas. No one has ever called a willingness to help women carry heavy stuff, to offer them a coat on a cold date night or to be willing to provide for their family "toxic masculinity". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 11:47 PM |
| 5 | Feminists Think Sexist Men Are Sexier than "Woke" MenThis study showed that feminist women prefer men that place women on the pedestal, that offer them help and that are willing to provide for them. The study says that feminists prefer benevolent sexist men, but benevolent sexism is the dictionary definition of blue pill. So the only joke here is that you didn't even read the article and went with the click bait title. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 11:44 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Feminism is unsuited to fight "Toxic Masculinity"Here's an easy challenge for you, especially the bonus question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 11:36 PM |
| 1 | Feminists Think Sexist Men Are Sexier than "Woke" MenI didn't think it was worth a reply because it seemed like such a poor attempt at a gotcha. You can't tell me that asking a woman on a cold date night if she wants to wear his coat, being willing to provide for your kids and family or offering help if she walks with heavy boxes is the dictionary definition of toxic masculinity. But go ahead and quote me where I said that those specific things are toxic masculinity. And I also don't understand how your opinion piece made the connection to Bad Boy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 11:34 PM |
| 0 | Feminists Think Sexist Men Are Sexier than "Woke" MenActually no. One of my most commonly cited ones is this one: The term toxic masculinity is useful in discussions about gender and forms of masculinity because it delineates those aspects of hegemonic masculinity that are socially destructive, such as misogyny, homophobia, greed, and violent domination; and those that are culturally accepted and valued (Kupers, 2001). After all, there is nothing especially toxic in a man’s pride in his ability to win at sports, to maintain solidarity with a frien… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 11:28 PM |
| 3 | Q4Women - What is your stance on high n-count men?That's like asking a carp about a fisherman who's caught lots of trout. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 10:38 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.Because the people who blame society, conveniently happen to also believe that society is run by and for men (otherwise known as "patriarchy"). Patriarchy has no gender. If you want to make actual arguments you've got to stop arguing against strawmen arguments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 10:30 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.Masculinity doesn't refer to traits of men. That's ridiculous. Even your own links contradict this. How? They quite clearly talk about "traits that society considers to be appropriate for a man". The term for that is "gender roles". No misunderstanding using that. So why not use it? Toxic masculine gender roles = 4 words and lots of letters Toxic masculinity = 2 words and half the amount of letters to express the exact same thing But, with your redefinition of "masculinity", you've lost the orig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 10:27 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.Women will fuck a toxically masculine man more than they will any other kind of man. As I said I just don't see this happening. A regularly masculine man will always have better chances than a overcompensating toxically masculine one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 08:49 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.It has the great benefit of not being gendered and therefore settles any suspicion of sexism. That's not a benefit at all. The Mythopoetic Men's Movement started to talk about toxic masculinity specifically because they felt that their voices were drowned out by feminists talking about women's problems. In order to specifically address problems that affect men it makes perfect sense to use a term that talks specifically about harmful gender norms that affect men. Your argument is like saying "bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 08:44 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Feminism is unsuited to fight "Toxic Masculinity"Not even close. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 08:16 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.That's a very questionable study to begin with. First it's about benevolent sexism and how invested/committed those women perceived those men as. Yet it talks about "bad boys" even though no one would have ever thought about calling a pedestalizing beta a bad boy. Benevolent sexism is also not what most people think of when they hear "sexist". Secondly it's hard to tell if that man opened the door for the woman because he likes her, because he likes helping everyone, or because he's a benevolent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 08:15 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.You are conflating masculinity and toxic masculinity. I'm not saying that men should be unmasculine so your argument is pointless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 06:49 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.You have to define what is "toxic" because that's a list that is large or small depending. Create a list, be specific. That will be too much work. Look at one of my many previous threads about this topic, some of them contain a list of examples. This is just a lazy straw man and not eating vegetables isn't toxic masculinity. The societal idea that eating vegetables is gay is commonly used as an example of toxic masculinity, because it's easy to show that it has negative health consequences and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 06:46 PM |
| 3 | Feminists Think Sexist Men Are Sexier than "Woke" MenHow many people go out of their way to open a door for a woman compared to a man? Like if you order a taxi as a man you usually have to open the car door yourself. If a woman does it the driver might get out, walk around the car and open the door for her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 06:18 PM |
| 2 | Feminists Think Sexist Men Are Sexier than "Woke" MenAlso why is it called Benevolent Sexism? Sexism that helps Men and not Women isn't benevolent, why is this? Because it's specifically about sexism that seems (superficially) positive for women: Benevolent sexism is a concept describing a form of sexism which is overtly less hostile and misogynistic, and are beliefs that I was taught, as a man from the US South. Benevolent sexism includes beliefs that: Women should be “put on a pedestal” Women should be cherished and protected by men Men should b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 06:08 PM |
| 3 | Feminists Think Sexist Men Are Sexier than "Woke" MenRead the article and not just the title. They aren't talking about RP-sexism. They are talking about benevolent sexism, which is the opposite of TRP. They are saying that feminists like pedestalizing betas that are willing to provide, commit and invest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 05:45 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Feminism is unsuited to fight "Toxic Masculinity"Is that why serial killers, mass murderers, domestic abusers, gangsters, street thugs, bad boys, etc. are usually drowning in pussy? When they're not locked up that is, and even then they still get tons of female attention in prison. You are focusing on rare outliers. The women they are dating are either criminals themselves or broken beyond repair. They once did a study on 300 women that were writing letters to serial killers and murderers in prison and each and every single one of them had a h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 05:21 PM |
| 6 | Feminists Think Sexist Men Are Sexier than "Woke" MenWomen like bad boys That's really funny considering that they later follow it up with: Given that in our current society the division of labor and access to financial resources still favors men, it makes sense that even feminists would like a man who shows willingness to act as the provider. Women find BS men attractive because BS attitudes and behaviors signal that a man is willing to invest. Five studies showed that women prefer men with BS attitudes (Studies 1a, 1b, and 3) and behaviors (Stud… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 04:50 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.This is because for TRPers and also some pop-feminists, "toxic masculinity" basically works out to "conventionally masculine behavior (I, a feminist, don't like)." You're using the term to refer to a very exaggerated slice of conventionally masculine behavior, often taken to hilariously stupid and/or obviously self-destructive extremes. I'm using the term like this because that's how literally everyone - except TRP of course - is using it. Toxic masculinity refers to those gender norms that are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 04:32 PM |
| 2 | Can We Define What is Toxicity in Various Circumstances?If toxic masculinity can be something both sexes engage in then why is it only ever held against men? It's not held against men. If people complain about harmful societal standards that harm men this doesn't mean that they are saying that men are harmful. Moreover why is it even gendered to begin with? Because society already genders those things. When we complain about toxic masculinity we complain about the fact that society associates these things with masculinity and a lack of them with homo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 04:24 PM |
| 1 | Can We Define What is Toxicity in Various Circumstances?Would you say that a violent woman is feminine? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 04:21 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.So maybe things are changing? I'd say things have changed, because I haven't seen any woman that's younger than 40 that thinks like this Fruity, colorful drinks are seen as gay. To women, its the equivalent of wearing socks and sandals - its not inherently wrong, but it goes against the grain, something women don't like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 03:34 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.It's not a Motte and Bailey because the Bailey only exists in the imagination of TRPers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 03:08 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.The whole purpose of the way that term is made is to mentally associate masculinity with something bad while at the same time blaming men for all their problems. Women are part of society so I do not understand how blaming society is the same as blaming men. Can you follow me? If they blame society they aren't exclusively blaming men simply because women are also part of society. See every problem women have is because they are oppressed by the patriarchy (énfasis on men) While every male proble… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 02:52 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.I disagree that toxic masculinity leads to higher social standing. That's basically the plot of 21/22 Jump Street. Tatum is from the 80s and in his generation toxic masculinity lead to higher social standing, but when he tries the same in this decade he's seen as a homophobic asshole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 02:46 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.How is it misandrist to use a term that specifically talks about masculine gender roles? Where is the misandry in my post? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 02:41 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.In what world do women think less of you because you order a fruity drink like let's say an appletini? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 02:39 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.I appreciate your comment and the video is on point, but it doesn't quite challenge my view. Take it to the automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 02:37 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.I want to have a honest discussion, that's why I tell low-effort shitposts that they belong to the automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 02:12 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Toxic masculinity doesn't benefit men.If you only want to circlejerk you should take it to the automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 02:06 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Feminism is unsuited to fight "Toxic Masculinity"But feminists do not complain about fresh apples just because the manosphere desperately wants this strawman argument to be true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 02:00 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Feminism is unsuited to fight "Toxic Masculinity"Note for TRPers: Do not downvote comments just because they aren't in line with your strawman version of toxic masculinity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 01:17 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Feminism is unsuited to fight "Toxic Masculinity"More like: "feminists are such hypocrites. They always complain about fresh apples, but they love to eat fresh apples. And ask fresh apples to be rotten. And then avoid eating them" But they do not complain about fresh apples just because the manosphere desperately wants this strawman argument to be true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 01:15 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Feminism is unsuited to fight "Toxic Masculinity"You are conflating masculinity and toxic masculinity. Your argument is like "feminists are such hypocrites. They always complain about rotten apples, but they love to eat fresh apples." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 10:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Feminism is unsuited to fight "Toxic Masculinity"Going by PPD's definition of "toxic masculinity" (disclaimer: I and many others see this term as BS but let's go with it), it is defined as unreasonable expectations of men which cause them to engage in self-destructive behavior. Basically, adhering to traditional standards of masculininity is toxic masculinity: basically, the struggle for dominance and alpha male-ness. The problem with this is women don't want men who don't adhere to these norms. They settle for them, at best. There are lots of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/18 09:47 AM |
| 1 | Is there a correlation between political standpoint and the “pill” you sympathize with?The RP and BP split is probably caused by similar neurological factors as the political divide. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-11219-005 https://www.businessinsider.com/psychological-differences-between-conservatives-and-liberals-2018-2 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/study-predicts-political-beliefs-with-83-percent-accuracy-17536124/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/18 06:05 PM |
| 4 | "Toxic masculinity" is created and rewarded by women. It's more appropriate to call it "toxic femininity"How would that make any sense? Toxic masculinity doesn't mean that men are toxic. It refers to harmful standards that society places upon men. Masculinity refers to societal standards and expectations that men are expected to fulfill. If women place these standards upon men it's still masculinity, because those are societal standards that men are expected to fulfill. It doesn't matter if it's a woman or a man that tells men how they should behave, because it's still a standard that men are expec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/18 05:41 PM |
| 0 | Incels/MGTOW entering pop cultureYou do realize excessive introspection is exactly what's wrong with them, right? If they were introspective they would realize that the problem isn't that women only want to date Chad, but that they have to get therapy. Same with LoL: I peaked at a shitty Diamond 5 when I played, whilst my master/challenger friends were all virgins We are talking about incels, but not about virgins in general. Incels are a very special, hate-filled, bitter and autistic breed of virgins. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/18 03:35 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?Don't you agree? For some aspects, yes. Like sexuality and reaction to sexual hormones, internal self-perception and such are sexually dimorphic, but this doesn't extend to all aspects of a persons personality. There are only very few parts of the brain that are sexually dimorphic to begin with. Most of the brain is very similar and has lots of variance. Many things can be explained by culture. Like in the west men are known as the logical, calm and stoic gender, but in some Asian countries men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/18 03:04 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?Are there biological differences between brains of the male sex and brains of the female sex? Yes, and transgender people have brains that resemble the opposite sex. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/ Transgender women tend to have brain structures that resemble cisgender women, rather than cisgender men. Two sexually dimorphic (differing between men and women) areas of the brain are often compared between men and women. The bed nucleus of the stria… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/18 01:00 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?To say "there are two sexes" and "sex is not binary" is contradictory. It's not. There are two sexes: male and female But intersex people are somewhere in the middle, they are both sexes at once. Sex isn't binary, it's bimodal. An intersex person is a deformed man or woman. If some is born with an extra finger, we don't say they are a different species. Okay, but if someone is born with 6 fingers or if someone loses one in an accident you do not insist that they must have 5 fingers. We can ackno… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/18 05:11 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?What is the difference between saying, "their brain evidently has the opposite sex than the rest of their body" and "their brain evidently has the opposite gender than the rest of their body"? Can a brain be of male sex but female gender? If so, how do you know? Their brain has no gender. Their brain has the other sex, therefore they want society to address them as the other gender. Gender is a social construct, meaning that it refers to societal ideas. Sex refers to biological differences, but … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/18 03:05 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?You said "their brain evidently has the opposite sex than the rest of their body". "opposite sex" - I obviously was talking about sex, but not about gender | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/18 08:19 AM |
| 1 | The guys that "sluts" want to marry are totally ok marrying a "slut"Stop trolling me and stop personally attacking me. You always do this bullshit "it's all about how you personally feel" instead of actually making an argument. I'm making an argument. I'm using sources to show that your opinion isn't in line with observable evidence. There is a significant amount of matching. My personal experience and this study are in line. If your hypothesis was true it would show the opposite, but it doesn't. Next time, actually cite something other than a "survey" where wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 07:24 PM |
| 1 | The guys that "sluts" want to marry are totally ok marrying a "slut"It's a moot point, because most sluts don't end up marrying those men. But they do. Romantic partners showed a significant level of matching in the prior number of intercourse partners. Further, among the married couples, a higher discrepancy between men's and women's number of previous intercourse partners was related to lower levels of love, satisfaction, and commitment in the relationship. Your whole post is based on solipsism. It's based entirely on how you personally feel about sluts, but n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 06:28 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?gender is a social construct that's based upon sexual dimorphism Please explain how you know this. How do you know the biological is not the primary cause of the behavior? We certainly have no problem with this notion when it comes to sexual orientation. I'm talking about gender, but not about their gender identity or gender expression. It's pretty easy to prove that gender is a social construct, because your gender can change based on your location. For example a transgender woman in the Bible … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 05:02 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?Yes, this is a nonsense statement. Why? And elaborate please, because I don't understand what's nonsensically about it. Unless of course you assume that sex and gender are synonyms, which they aren't. Sex is a biological fact, but gender is a social construct that's based upon sexual dimorphism. Sex refers to your biology (male or female), but gender refers to the role that society assigns to you (man or woman). Those are two distinct, but related concepts. Why would that be the case if there we… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 04:28 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?When Jane Goodall talks about the males and females in a given group of chimpanzees, do you think she is appealing to "God's plan"? She's talking about the sex of those chimpanzees, but she doesn't make any statement about their gender. No, it is based on biology. How does biology tell us that we should base the gender of people on their birth sex? Biology doesn't give us any guidelines how we should draw the lines. Biologically basing their gender on their innate gender identity or even on thei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 03:49 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?Me too. When Bruce Jenner was born, everyone observed that he was a boy and then they pointed it out to him. Okay, but unless you invoke "but that's Gods plan" there is no reason to base their gender on their birth sex. You might not believe in God, but your gender system is still based on the assumption that the story of the Garden of Eden is the literal truth. Once you accept that God isn't real you can also accept that people can be born differently than how God intended it, because biology i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 03:20 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?I'm talking about their actual gender and not what the Bible states their gender should be. I'm talking about observable facts, you are talking about religious feelings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 03:06 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?Gay people aren't asking straight people to casually suck gay men's dicks. And trans people aren't asking you to suck their cock either. All they want is not to get legally discriminated against and not to get forced to live as the wrong gender. More money would help me immensely, free hookers too. I'm suffering from poverty and lack of sex right now, help me, change the laws. Can you not see the difference between them asking for basic human rights, acceptance and personal freedom, and you aski… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 03:04 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?Their irrational need for validation is their own problem What's irrational about it? Are gay people irrational if they want to be allowed to date members of their own sex? Are they irrational if they do not want other people to insist that they must be straight because that's how God created them? Can you give me an actual reason for why things should change in order to have them feel more like the other gender? Because it's a small change that helps them immensely. It's like wheelchair ramps. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 02:38 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?What laws discriminate against trans? If your landlord or employer learns that you are a Jew, a Republican or a black person they can't just kick you out for that, because they aren't allowed to discriminate based on religion, political stance or race, but they are legally allowed to discriminate against transgender people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 02:24 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?Society works on biological sex Your society does, but even in places like Iran transgender people have an easier time getting accepted as their preferred gender. Isn't it kind of weird when even Iran is more willing to accept transgender people than you? shouldn't care about gender, and hopefully never will submit to this nonsense. Why not? I still haven't heard an actual argument except "but that's how we always did it" which is just another way to say "but that's not in line with the Bible". … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 02:21 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?It's not being recognized, it's demanding special rights and privileges that others don't have. Which special rights do they want? The right for personal freedom? That's not a special right, that's a basic human right that we deny them. The right to not get kicked out of their home? The right not to lose their job? Transgender people can be legally discriminated against. That's not a special right, that's a basic human right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 02:12 PM |
| 0 | What's with the problem with complaining?Bill C 16 anyone? C-16 been in effect for like two years now and there have been a total of 0 arrests for using the wrong pronoun. It's time to let this misinterpretation die. If the Canadian Bar Association and the lawmakers themselves came out publicly to state that Jordan Peterson is wrong it's time to accept that he isn't a law expert. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 02:09 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?Transgenders don't need anything to live normally, like cisgenders, unlike people in wheelchair. They need the ability to live freely and without getting forced to live as the wrong gender. Their lack of personal freedom and acceptance causes them an immense amount of suffering. Gay people had massive suicide rates back when they weren't allowed to come out of the closet. Nowadays we grant them the freedom to express their sexuality and their suicide rates went down drastically. The same is true… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 01:57 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?I don't know about your state, but in my country discrimination is forbidden and those law don't have to be expended for it to concern trans people. In most places around the world this isn't true. The fact people are still discriminated against doesn't mean it's allowed It is allowed to legally discriminate against them in most US states and Trumps administration works hard to make this even easier. and LGBT discrimination is non important in face of the other common forms of discrimination tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 01:33 PM |
| 0 | What's with the problem with complaining?It's simple. A man has a complaint = logical and smart A woman has a complaint = she's just hamstering | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 01:28 PM |
| 1 | What's with the problem with complaining?Is there a single reason to turn our sexual based society into a gender based society and fuck shit up? no. What gets fucked up? Was it also fucked up that we stopped trying to pray-the-gay-away and that we acknowledged that people can be born gay? Change isn't necessarily bad just because you do not care about the people who's lives get immensely improved by it What basic human right do they not have? They can be legally oppressed. The fact that they are transgender can be used against them to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 01:00 PM |
| 3 | The guys that "sluts" want to marry are totally ok marrying a "slut"Typical bloop strawman. How is it a strawman? TRPers are constantly relying on their own personal feelings to make generalizations about all men instead of accepting that other men could have different preferences. Don't tell me you've never heard something like "No man would ever date a slut", "men biologically do not like sluts", "it's a natural instinct for men to dislike sluts", etc | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 12:43 PM |
| 0 | What's with the problem with complaining?Do I look like I care about the bible? lmao. "something they shouldn't be recognized for" Can you give me a reason why we shouldn't recognize them by their actual gender that doesn't boil down to "but God created Adam and Eve"? You are claiming that we shouldn't recognize their actual gender, but the only moral authority that would support this claim is "but that's against Gods plan", because biology doesn't tell us how we should be doing it. Without the Bible as a moral authority your "shouldn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 12:34 PM |
| 4 | The guys that "sluts" want to marry are totally ok marrying a "slut"Well you've got to consider that women like, respect and trust us. They do not need to lie to us because they know that they can trust us. They tell us all the dirty details simply because they do not need to act prude and virginal around us. It's not a lie just because women do not trust you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 11:46 AM |
| 0 | What's with the problem with complaining?Why not? We also managed to recognize gay people as being homosexual even though it's not in line with the Bible, so why can't we do the same and recognize their actual gender? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 11:40 AM |
| 5 | The guys that "sluts" want to marry are totally ok marrying a "slut"Here's some relevant data. Romantic partners showed a significant level of matching in the prior number of intercourse partners. Further, among the married couples, a higher discrepancy between men's and women's number of previous intercourse partners was related to lower levels of love, satisfaction, and commitment in the relationship. Sluts are usually dating men that are just as slutty as they themselves are. Chad isn't dating some prude virgin, he starts dating one of the girls he hooks up w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/18 09:18 AM |
| 3 | Q4M: What does "Submissive" mean to you?To be honest I used Google translate and it gave me this word, but another one might have been more appropriate | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/18 05:48 PM |
| 2 | What's the deal with cunnilingus?Thanks for your concerns, but I already drastically reduced my drug use a few years ago and will completely stop once we plan to get children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/18 04:11 PM |
| 9 | Q4M: What does "Submissive" mean to you?For me it means: boring, conservative and old-fashioned. I generally do not like conformists. I prefer honest, direct, open, crass, relaxed, funny and opinionated people that are confident enough to be themselves, but whenever I meet an overly submissive woman it's like she doesn't dare to voice her opinion because it's not ladylike to have an opinion and she doesn't dare to be funny because humor is for men. Submissive women are more like a traditional stereotype than a real person, but I do no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/18 03:03 PM |
| 2 | CMV: I don't understand how anyone can take relationship advice from /r/TheRedPill seriouslyYes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/18 02:30 PM |
| 1 | CMV: I don't understand how anyone can take relationship advice from /r/TheRedPill seriouslyThat's a legit rebuttal because no one of us here is living in Africa. It's simply not something that factors into these discussions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/18 02:29 PM |
| 2 | CMV: I don't understand how anyone can take relationship advice from /r/TheRedPill seriouslyThat's not an insult. That's just a way to remind them that they have advantages which they weren't aware of. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/18 02:14 PM |
| 2 | CMV: I don't understand how anyone can take relationship advice from /r/TheRedPill seriouslyAre you unable to come up with legit arguments? The context of his privilege is obviously the western world, because this is a western website and a subreddit that's focused on the anglospherian SMP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/18 02:12 PM |
| 5 | What's the deal with cunnilingus?BiggerD doesn't have the drinking problem that the other bro does. Lol 😂 I just don't mention if I'm drunk or drugged, but half my posts were sponsored by "can't sleep because of speed" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/18 01:12 PM |
| 2 | CMV: I don't understand how anyone can take relationship advice from /r/TheRedPill seriouslyYou've got white and height privilege. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/18 10:22 AM |
| 16 | CMV: I don't understand how anyone can take relationship advice from /r/TheRedPill seriouslyIt's the appropriate usage for privilege. OP might have had a better upbringing. TRPers often come from families with a pussy-whipped father or overbearing single mothers. If OP was born in a functional family and with positive role models then they are privileged in this regard. Other factors could be that TRPers might have been more anxious, shy, introverted, naive, gullible, autistic, ugly, lacking social skills, etc which caused them to be taken advantage off by each women they've been in a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/18 03:46 PM |
| 0 | Q4RP: What makes someone a jerk?Can you elaborate more please, because that doesn't make any sense to me either. For me niceness isn't equal to a lack of boundaries and having no will of their own. Someone can be nice without being subservient. Having boundaries doesn't make you an asshole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/18 03:09 PM |
| 35 | CMV: I don't understand how anyone can take relationship advice from /r/TheRedPill seriouslyCheck your privilege. You are confident enough to handle secure relationships and thus can't understand how insecurities can damage your view on them. TRP makes perfect sense if you've are a neurotic mess with trust issues. Psychological seen red and blue pill relate to attachment styles. Blue pillers are securely attached and used to egalitarian secure-secure relationships. Red pillers used to have an anxious attachment style, but then exchanged it for a dismissive-avoidant one. They are used t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/18 03:02 PM |
| 1 | CMV: I don't understand how anyone can take relationship advice from /r/TheRedPill seriouslyTake it to the automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/18 02:40 PM |
| 2 | Bunch of women describing red pill teachings without realizing when asked how they feel about casual sex (Taken from TRP)/u/Whodunnit88 See that's how it's done. OP wants to talk about a link so he quoted three different comments to provide us with some context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/18 04:34 PM |
| 2 | There are far too many weird rules around here.Considering that several people disagree you obviously haven't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/18 08:24 AM |
| 2 | There are far too many weird rules around here.You got got. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/18 07:13 AM |
| 2 | There are far too many weird rules around here.Unless you do not want your thread to to be locked or removed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/18 07:12 AM |
| 2 | There are far too many weird rules around here.Why should I have to provide a paragraph or two though? Because that's the rules. And I meant clarifying in the rules section of this sub. This rule "(4) No links to outside content without post-text sufficient to explain the linked content." clearly states that we need more context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/12/18 07:12 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Baby It's Cold Outside is a perfect example of LMRYour argument doesn't make any sense. Just because it's not as tangible as technological advances this doesn't mean that there's no obvserable difference. It's an objective fact that "The Birth of a Nation" was the first movie that has been shown in the White House. But it's also an objective fact that it has aged horrible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 07:32 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Baby It's Cold Outside is a perfect example of LMRYea, but what do you do with them, ban them from being viewed? No one prohibits you from listening to this song. A radio station stopped playing it. Not giving those things any more promotion isn't the same as banning them from being viewed. You are also not prohibited from watching old Disney cartoons that are chock-full of racism, but they simply are no longer being shown on kids TV channels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 07:04 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Baby It's Cold Outside is a perfect example of LMRYour argument doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying that they are outdated because they are old and that everything from an previous era is outdated. I'm saying that those specific things are outdated because we as a society progressed forward. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 06:56 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Baby It's Cold Outside is a perfect example of LMRThis doesn't talk about LMR at all. Without religion telling us that sex outside of marriage is a sin there's no need for women to act coy. For most of human history LMR wasn't part of our sexual script simply because monogamy and slut shaming haven't been invented yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 06:53 PM |
| – | Hannah Gadsby: does she have a point about the "good men" of Hollywood?It's not a bizarre rule because no one likes to open a link to read it. I will unlock this thread if you give us more context, elaborate a bit more and quote some important parts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 05:58 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Baby It's Cold Outside is a perfect example of LMRWhich was just as controversial and some radio stations also stopped playing it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 04:24 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Baby It's Cold Outside is a perfect example of LMRIt's only seen as "rapey" by people that either have no real knowledge about past society or are trying to push some sort of convoluted social agenda. The past is the past. Nowadays we live in the now. It might have been okay 70 years ago, but the times have changed. A lot of things that were okay back then are now racist, sexist, homophobic or just outdated. That's simply what happens when society moves forward. If women want to be free to say "yes" or "no" to sex openly, then they need to just… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 03:59 PM |
| 8 | CMV: Baby It's Cold Outside is a perfect example of LMRSomething isn't biological just because you feel that way. Before we invented religions, slut shaming, monogamy and puritanism this chase didn't even exist. It's not a part of our evolutionary heritage, but simply a side effect of the patriarchy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 03:56 PM |
| 1 | Will we ever move out of this "women can do no wrong" era?You are comparing apples to oranges. The women here generally keep a calm head even if they have to listen to negative generalizations about them all the time. The TRPers here generally freak out, downvote and report for much less. They are much more emotional, take things way more personal and are a lot more easily triggered. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 01:51 PM |
| 5 | Will we ever move out of this "women can do no wrong" era?Well that's just a coincidence. It's not my fault that TRPers are evidently so super easily triggered. If they can dish out "women are mentally like children" they should be able to handle hearing "TRPers are sexist". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 01:22 PM |
| 4 | Will we ever move out of this "women can do no wrong" era?Valid observations =/= idiotic argument It's an undeniable fact that the women here are more alpha and way less emotional than the neurotic TRPs | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 01:13 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Baby It's Cold Outside is a perfect example of LMRThat's how business works. Radio stations do not want to play songs that will negatively affect their ratings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 11:40 AM |
| 9 | Will we ever move out of this "women can do no wrong" era?I ask the women of PPD why it seems they are completely unable to take any kind of criticism of women, it was downvoted naturally. The women on this board are much better at taking criticism and way less emotional and by far not as easily triggered as the men. The women here constantly hear things like "but you are just a woman", "women are mentally retarded children", etc but they keep calm and don't take it personally. TeRPs on the other hand freak out over every generalization that's thrown i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 10:49 AM |
| 29 | CMV: Baby It's Cold Outside is a perfect example of LMRIt's a perfect example that LMR is a outdated concept. In the 40s it was a cute and romantic song, but nowadays women do no longer have to worry about being seen as a whore for sleeping at a man's house without being married. This token resistance doesn't exist in today's Netflix and Chill generation. The hookup script has changed and without that context it is seen as creepy and rapey. It's the same with this James Bond scene. It is seen as rapey nowadays even though it was perfectly okay in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/18 08:40 AM |
| 0 | Will dating become easier or harder for men in the future?This still doesn't mean that only the top 20% are getting any action. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/18 10:08 PM |
| 2 | Will dating become easier or harder for men in the future?Women barely send out first messages in the first place. The same is true for replying as well. Everything about the OkCupid study shows that women care much less about looks than men, even though TRPers came to the exact opposite conclusions because they simply ignored everything except their ratings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/18 07:52 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men should focus on good looks first, then maybe personality.Cherry picking tweets that support your preconceived notion isn't the same as reality. If you look at actual data you will see that in the actual real world there's barely any difference between the number of sexual partners of short and tall men. It's a weak correlation at best. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/18 03:52 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men should focus on good looks first, then maybe personality.Exactly. So fuck her throat and kick her out afterwards. It won't matter. Treating her with respect and like a human doesn't score you brownie points. So you might as well not give a fuck about her well being. If you want repeat customers or to be able to hook up with her friends it certainly matters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/18 02:34 PM |
| 8 | Will dating become easier or harder for men in the future?Since women already see 80% of men as "below average" that pretty much means the top 20% will be getting all the action. That doesn't logically follow. Even the OkCupid study itself showed that women care much less about looks than men. They might rate them as below average, but this doesn't stop them from messaging them - unlike men who primarily reach out for the most attractive women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/18 09:31 AM |
| 1 | I see people here say women avoid players/hot guys for relationships because of the risk. I see little evidence of that in real life.I didn't say that they are the majority. I pointed out that there are even more women out there that see it as a problem as men. If I said "I see little evidence that being a slut is bad. Men date sluts all the time. If a man says he doesn't want to date a slut he's just lying" you would probably point out that the fact that they can get a man doesn't mean that they can get any man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 10:44 PM |
| 2 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.No idea, I've never tried such a thing. Yeah, but we did. The circumcision story happened to Bruce Reimer, who was raised as Brenda Reimer. He developed severe gender dysphoria, until his parents finally came forward with the truth and he continued to live as David Reimer until he killed himself. But he wasn't the only one, because https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis From the 1960s until the late 1970s, it was common for sex reassignment and surgery to be recommended. With parental accept… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 07:11 PM |
| 3 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.Their mental illness gets healed if they can transition. They can lead a normal healthy life if they can live as their preferred gender. Their mental illness is a side effect of our culture, but they wouldn't have such high suicide rates if we wouldn't force them to live as the wrong gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.But you do not have a male body, because the doctors gave you a sex change. There's barely any sexual dimorphism in children's bodies to begin with and you no longer have a penis: you now have a vagina. You do not have balls either, so you will also barely have any testosterone, because it's primarily produced in your testicles. So back to the question: do you think that you would just live as a girl, or do you think that you would want to live as a boy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 06:58 PM |
| 2 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.Then what about the inverse case: forced sex change operations. Let's say at birth your circumcision went wrong. So horribly wrong that the doctors decided to give you a sex change. You get a female name and your parents raise you as a girl. Do you think that you would just accept it and live as a girl, or do you think that you would somehow innately know that you are actually a boy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 06:54 PM |
| 2 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.Where I'm from the Christians are still a lot more backwards and priests openly talk about homosexuality being a sin. Don't your Orthodox Christians listen to their Patriarch Bartholomew I? He always spoke out strongly against homosexuality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 06:47 PM |
| 2 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.Even their source doesn't debunk mine https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51683105_Male_or_Female_Brains_are_Intersex/download There are only a few brain characteristics for which the term sexually dimorphic, which literally means having two forms, is appropriate, that is, for which there is minimal or no overlap between the form of this characteristic in males and females (e.g., the size of the sexually dimorphic nucleus of the preoptic area, which is three to eight times larger in male ra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 06:37 PM |
| 1 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.And for the record, there are priests, even Catholic priests, who teach that transition is the best way to glorify God, since expressing yourself is the best way to honor God's gift of life. That's actually surprising. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 06:20 PM |
| 3 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.If you pay attention to research on this it is often not particularly revealing, a "difference" that embodies male vs female brainedness can be also shown to be statistically irrelevant when considering the full range of brains. Certainly it would not function as a smoking gun for trans activists. Well, but I trust universities like Harvard more than random Redditors. If the evidence is good enough for academia it's good enough for me. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 06:19 PM |
| 2 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.Do you think that people can have male or female brains? Do you think that something can go wrong during pregnancy that causes someone to be born with a brain that resembles the opposite sex? What do you think tells you more about a person, their chromosomes or their brain? Transgender people evidently have a brain that's like the opposite sex and there are two ways to handle this the conservative way Just assume that this is impossible because the story of the Garden of Eden is the literal trut… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 06:05 PM |
| 5 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.This is a debate board. You should use arguments instead of just mumbling nuh-uh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 05:50 PM |
| 2 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.They all boil down to it though. LGBT are seen as unnatural solely because they aren't in line with the story of Adam and Eve. If someone accepts science they also accept that people can be different than how God intended them to be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.Actually the split was the feminist sex war which was about the question if sexuality can be empowering or if it is always oppressive. It was "all piv sex is rape" vs "women can choose to be prostitutes/pornstars/strippers" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 05:43 PM |
| 5 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.Nah. We are moving forward as a society and are becoming less and less religious all the time. In a few years all the religious fanatics that are against LGBT people will be dead. The new generation will accept transgender people simply because they do not think that the story of the Garden of Eden is the literal truth, which is the only argument against transgender acceptance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 05:40 PM |
| 7 | Radical feminism and traditionalism: a snake biting its own tail.Radical feminists haven't been relevant for several decades now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 05:27 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women will sleep with a swan if he is a Chad.The niceguy wants a woman to be attracted to him. That nebulous and undefined group of women that are not interested in charles manson is also not interested in the niceguy. How do you know that? People that are neither criminals nor assholes get laid all the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 04:48 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women will sleep with a swan if he is a Chad.Red pill science. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 04:46 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women will sleep with a swan if he is a Chad.You fail to see it. It is not about women choosing, it is about the results obtained by the men. I get good results with women even though I'm neither a criminal nor an asshole. You don't need to use AWALT to prove that a niceguy is has less success in dating that Charles Manson. Just count the ammount of women interested in Charles Manson. Count the ammount of women interested in the niceguy. Which number is higher? Charles Manson. That is it. Charles Manson, a criminal, gets better results tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 04:44 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women will sleep with a swan if he is a Chad.I'm aware that RP logic isn't logical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 04:30 PM |
| 7 | I see people here say women avoid players/hot guys for relationships because of the risk. I see little evidence of that in real life.If you're attractive, you're attractive. It's not as simple as "if you are attractive, you're attractive" You can be attractive to some women while being unattractive to others and vice versa, even though this nuance is too complex for TRPers. Eg. what makes a player attractive to similarly slutty women is what makes him unattractive to non-slutty women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 02:03 PM |
| 0 | I see people here say women avoid players/hot guys for relationships because of the risk. I see little evidence of that in real life.So what you are saying is that in the real world all women have the exact same preferences? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 01:52 PM |
| 1 | I see people here say women avoid players/hot guys for relationships because of the risk. I see little evidence of that in real life.Got it. Women are all the same person and those that claim to have different tastes in men than what the sidebar states are simply lying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 01:12 PM |
| 1 | I see people here say women avoid players/hot guys for relationships because of the risk. I see little evidence of that in real life.Have you ever considered that women aren't all the same person? Why would it be sour grapes if she simply doesn't like such guys? What about guys that do not like sluts, are they simply sour grapes as well? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 01:01 PM |
| 1 | I see people here say women avoid players/hot guys for relationships because of the risk. I see little evidence of that in real life.Got it. Facts that make TRPers feel bad will simply be brushed off as a "just world fallacy" even if they are supported by studies and psychological research. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 11:56 AM |
| 8 | I see people here say women avoid players/hot guys for relationships because of the risk. I see little evidence of that in real life.More women than men think that someones sexual history matters: For 27 percent of women a partner’s sexual history has complete and total bearing on whether that person will make a good partner. At 21 percent, men aren’t too far behind women in this thinking. (...) According to the survey, 29 percent of women and 21 percent of men would be “put off” if someone they're dating had a high “number.” Despite TRPers feeling otherwise women actually do care about their partners n-count. And that's why … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/18 11:50 AM |
| 4 | Why is NAWALT considered a bad response?So, you admit, you are invalidating others' lived experiences and observations. Thank you for that. I'm not invalidating your lived experiences. I'm explaining to you that your lived experiences do not accurately describe female nature just because a few other bitter bloggers agree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/18 09:43 PM |
| 6 | Would it be possible to have a gay-only male society?Assuming that's true, why would it be a dystopia? 40% of gay couples already had or have an open relationship. I've seen it work in action. They go out together, go in the dark room together, have some fun and go home together. It's not cheating if it's okay. Those that prefer monogamy can look for monogamous partners and the others can have it their way. I don't see why it would be a dystopia. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/18 06:10 PM |
| 2 | What score did you get in this social intelligence test?This test has been developed by the autism researcher Simon Baron Cohen (yes he's the cousin of Sasha Baron Cohen) The results can pretty accurately predict if someone is autistic or not. He's revised it several times over the years (beginning in 1997) to get more accurate results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/18 05:59 PM |
| 3 | Why is NAWALT considered a bad response?It's a terrible response because it's often used in an attempt to discredit a valid and observable generalization, like you just did here. All the AWALT traits at best describe 10-15% of women. AWALT is also a pretty good description of DT women with an anxious-preoccupied attachment style, which to no surprise is also the type of women that doesn't see TeRPy behavior as a red flag. It's not a valid observation just because a bunch of bitter bloggers that rely on the same dating advice agree. Al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/18 05:52 PM |
| 7 | Why is NAWALT considered a bad response?That's because you haven't taken the red pill yet and thus do not suffer from the Outgroup Homogeneity Effect (e.g. "they are alike; we are diverse") One of the main purposes of TRP is "othering" women. It would take too much mental effort for TRPers to treat women as individuals. There would be uncertainty, nuance and ambiguity involved, but those are things that TRPers simply can't handle. (yes ARPALT) They would start to stutter if they had to figure out what the woman in front of them likes … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/18 05:47 PM |
| 15 | Women only care about your money and status.This isn't TRP, meaning that you can't just post your negative feelings about women and expect people to believe that they are objective facts. I'm changing this to a CMV thread so we can have a discussion about your opinion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/18 12:10 PM |
| 2 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?That doesn't have the "claims by angry bloggers". Still a straw man as far as I can see. So you argue that TRPers do not believe in the sidebar and AWALT. Whether anecdotal evidence is empirical depends on your definition of "empirical evidence" but I would argue that a definition of empirical evidence that includes some kinds of anecdotal evidence is not as uncommon as you suggest. Well I use the same definition as every university does: According to the Texan Education Agency: In this lesson, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?It happened so often that TRPers claimed that TRP is based on empirical evidence that I even made a thread asking TRPers to explain what empirical evidence is and some of tried to pass of personal anecdotes as empirical evidence. Here's an example from his thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/94z36d/q4rp_what_is_empirical_evidence_and_which_parts/e3otyq9 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 05:58 PM |
| 2 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?That's part of the same scenario. They slapped their ass and then called them sluts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 05:45 PM |
| 1 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?Why's that a surprise? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 05:32 PM |
| 3 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?It depends. It's neutral for women that don't care. It's a plus for self-respecting women and it's negative for self-loathing women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 05:22 PM |
| 3 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?In France private DNA testing is illegal. It's only legal in divorce settlements when child support has to be paid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 04:57 PM |
| 3 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?As an European I've heard about a few of those cases, but each time I've always thought "goddamn how can you complain about feminists in this instance instead of accepting that this behavior isn't normal" All of those cases that people complained about involved guys slapping women's butts or groping their tits and yelling at them something like that they are prude sluts that deserve to get raped. But of course it's an insane injustice and feminists going too far if France starts to jail such peo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 04:55 PM |
| 3 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?To me it automatically implies there will be consequences next time that involve you ghosting them or punishing them in someway and thereby being an asshole. To me that sounds like immature and dysfunctional conflict management. You don't have to be an asshole in order to set up boundaries. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 04:48 PM |
| 2 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?You've got to consider that one woman isn't every woman. Women that date such abusive men have almost always had an abusive home as well. These aren't normal women; these are sad women that feel like they deserve the abuse or that don't even see it as abuse because it has been so normalized in their home. You are basing your idea of female nature on outliers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 04:42 PM |
| 2 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?embraces male feminism How is that a turn off? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 04:34 PM |
| 4 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?By "having a spine", what you're basically saying is: "Wait a minute, fuck you, I demand a certain level of respect or this or that or whatever." I don't see a difference between that and when nice guys do their little outbursts. You can stand up for yourself without having an angry outburst. You can do it calm, confident and nice as well. And I would also say that you get better results if you do it in a rational way instead of shouting at them. If you're not acting entitled and like an asshole… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 04:27 PM |
| 10 | What is your favorite part of the RP subs?Their extremely emotional reactions to everything (while they claim at the same time that men are logical unlike women who are emotional). Their complete lack of self-awareness and the fact that they get triggered super easily by everything - even though they claim to be super tough alphas - is simply the best. It's like watching Trump claim that he's like super very intelligent - good genes - too intelligent to believe in climate change because the water and air is good. They are the personific… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 03:17 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?I was just too lazy to type out myself again that women are a part of society and that critiques of societal problems applies to them as well. Let's try this again. Read the following sentence and tell me if it includes women or if it only applies to men: "we should do something to stop climate change. For example we as a society could stop using plastic bags" Am I asking men to stop using plastic bags, or am I urging all of society, which includes women, to stop using plastic bags? The exact sa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 02:51 PM |
| 11 | Can anyone provide concrete, detailed examples of a guy becoming "an asshole" and suddenly faring better with women? What actually *specifically* happened?Pro-tip: that's true for almost all words that TRPers use. It's like they are speaking a different language that only happens to look the same asshole What it means to a normal person: be mean, selfish, abusive, hurtful, irritating, contemptible, etc. How TRPers use it: be confident and have a spine nice What it means to a normal person: not being an asshole, being helpful, attentive and pleasant How TRPers use it: be shy, quiet, supplicating, submissive, never stand up for yourself, don't have … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a14cpy/q4rp_how_are_these_following_articles_about_toxic/eamwzmf | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 11:29 AM |
| 1 | Consenting to sex is not consenting to being a father!I don't believe in affirmative consent. You probably do believe in affirmative consent, but not in the strawman version that the manosphere presents. As usual their idea is based on the fact that they do not care about facts at all, but merely desperately crave outrage porn. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/6vxui8/psa_affirmative_consent_doesnt_work_like_the | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/11/18 11:23 AM |
| -2 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Do you seriously deny that feminists have been encouraging women to be more confident, assertive and active? In a nebulous, context-free sort of way, like "You go girl!" and "I'mma strong independent woman who don't need no man!", sure. In the context of the wage gap? Nope, they'll actively ignore the evidence about hours worked, career fields chosen, and willingness to negotiate and attribute everything to sexism. So they ignore those problems completely. But at the same time they also blame se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:45 PM |
| -2 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?"Women should negotiate better pay!" - you only hear that the wage gap exists You only hear that the wage gap exists, but people who actually listen to feminists also hear that this is one of the problems. Do you seriously deny that feminists have been encouraging women to be more confident, assertive and active? Dismantling their traditional gender role is like the main point of feminism | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:23 PM |
| 2 | When did the word "Cis" become mainstream?More than two-thousand years ago when the Ancient Romans used it. You heard it all your life, but due to the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon you've never noticed it so far because you haven't been aware. Remember trans-fats? There are trans- and cis-fats. Or trans-atlantic and cis-atlantic, trans-isomers and cis-isomers, etc. Trans translates to "on the other side" and cis to "on the same side". Transgender people identify as a different gender as their sex. They are trans-gender, meaning "on the othe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 06:09 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Would you answer someone who asks if people are a subset of tall people, or would you just ignore it and save your time and effort for more worthwhile discussions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 05:36 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?The problem is I've routinely seen "Toxic Masculinity" used as a proxy for just "Masculinity" Provide evidence for that, because I haven't seen that. or really through a Patriarchal lense, all Masculinity is inherently hegemonic. That doesn't even make sense. Hegemonic masculinity is hegemonic, because it is the dominant construction of masculinity in a given historical and cultural context. But clearly not all masculinities are the dominant construction of masculinity. What exactly is Non toxic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 05:31 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Are people a subset of tall people? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 05:18 PM |
| 0 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?I'm aware that TRPers prefer their feelings and dislike facts. No need to tell me that you do not care about facts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 05:02 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?The problem lies in the assumption that these behaviors are toxic to begin with. What if I said they weren't? That's not the point of this thread. Stay on topic: how does toxic masculinity attack and blame men? There are a couple of typical articles about toxic masculinity in my OP post. Can you point out how they are attacking and blaming men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 04:50 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?All it comes down to is men are bad for behaving in a way women claim is unsavoury but seems to turn them on all the same... How does not going to the doctor because you are afraid of appearing weak turn women on? How does not eating vegetables because you are afraid of getting called gay turn women on? How does homophobic postering turn women on? You seriously do not need the "benefits" of toxic masculinity in order to get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 04:48 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Patriarchy is a social system that places men above women, but patriarchy has no gender. No one claims that it's only men that are responsible for patriarchy. They are blaming history, culture and society for being patriarchy, but this also includes all the women that uphold these archaic ideas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 04:36 PM |
| 3 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?That's a really long comment so I'm going to focus on small portions first. You're in the right area, but then it would mean acknowledging a few things that would weaken feminism's stance: Toxic masculinity is not men's fault. No one ever said that it is men's fault. They are blaming society for pushing those harmful standards upon men. That's not blaming men, that's blaming society. Patriarchy theory would lose some credibility here as there is no conspiracy to maintain male domination over wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Who enjoy and reap the benefits of being "toxic?" What benefits? Not going to the doctor because you are afraid that someone might call you weak? Not eating vegetables because you are afraid that someone might call you gay? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 02:15 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Quote your articles if you are so certain they do. I did quote some important parts. You keep on saying you hold women responsible but you keep on failing to prove that you do and resort to "women part of society" cop out. How is that a cop-out? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 01:54 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?What kind of argument is that? Cherry picking or texas sharp shooter? How is it cherry-picking? These are typical run-of-the-mill articles about toxic masculinity. I've been asking TRPers for articles that use toxic masculinity to attack and blame men for years, but so far I've got nothing. It's literally impossible to post articles that only exist in the imagination of TRPers so you can't call this cherry-picking. You can't just go around and pick a bunch of articles and ask another side to def… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 01:41 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?How is it not an attack on men and blaming them? I'm asking you. How are they attacking and blaming men? I seriously do not understand it so please quote the parts where they attack and blame men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 01:28 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?And I am still waiting for you to explain how its not an attack on masculinity and why you think you can dictate what is an isn't an attack. Explain to me how "I hate rainy days" is an attack on all days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 01:23 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?It hurts me to see a bunch of grown men get angry just because they are unable to understand what they are reading. And it hurts me that they keep believing that their absurd misinterpretations are true, even when they are faced with evidence to the contrary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 01:18 PM |
| 0 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Read the articles in the OP yourself. Are they blaming society or are they blaming men? Are women part of society? It's really simple actually. When they say stuff like "we have to get rid of such toxic sayings" or "our culture has to improve" this obviously includes women as well, even though TRPers do not consider women to be a part of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 01:07 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?This is the bait and switch part of your argument rather than getting to the parallels of Toxic Masculinity and Toxic Black Masculinity. Feminists already use the term "Toxic black masculinity". You are drawing parallels that are based on misinterpretations and unsubstantiated assumptions. So in both cases, if society changed, what would happen to the Toxic Masculinity or the Toxic Black Masculinity in that society? It would cease to exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 12:38 PM |
| 0 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Yeah and my concept up there isn't criticising black people either see nah it's criticising society so that means it's okay if I say they're all thieves right? But "toxic masculinity" is not saying that men are toxic. Your argument only shows that you have no idea what you are arguing against. Come back when you've got an argument that isn't based on an absurd misinterpretation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 12:16 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Okay, then lets go with Toxic Black Masculinity. See that's better. That's a term that you can use. No. But they expect the behavior of those men to change because they don't like it. Where and how are they doing that? Each and every article is about getting society to change. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 11:14 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?You could try reading the articles I posted in my OP post, because they are clearly talking about the fact that we have to get rid of such toxic sayings or that our society has to improve. This obviously applies to the women that read those articles as well, because they are also part of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 11:03 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?This is what they say to cover their ass, the solution they propose all start from the principle that men are at fault and men have to fix themselves. How are they saying that men are at fault and that men have to fix themselves? They are asking society to change and women are a part of society. B) stifling men from seeking help This part of the quote is meant to say that men should be out there seeking help. Suggesting that society isn't to be fix for these men needing help but rather that soci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 10:51 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?"Men need to change their culture" is placing the blame on men. Women are also part of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 10:47 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Society says those behaviours are masculine, so to criticize that you call it masculine, but bad masculine. We are saying that it's bad that society places these harmful standards upon men. How is that bad and how is that attacking and blaming men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 10:45 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?These two things aren't analogous though. Blackness refers to the state of being black. Blackness is inherent to black people. All black people have a natural blackness. Masculinity refers to the societal standards that are being placed upon men. Masculinity is a standard that men are expected to live up to. Men have to be taught how to be masculine. And it's also clearly laid out in those articles. They aren't blaming men for being male. They are blaming our culture and society for harming men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 10:43 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Literally the other guy in this chain we're on has shown evidence from your own links that they are blaming men. What evidence? He hasn't shown any evidence except that he misunderstood each and every article. He got 7/7 wrong. They don't address wider social issues they say it's up to men to fix themselves cuz it's all their fault. How is asking our culture to change the same as saying it's up to men to fix themselves cuz it's all their fault? How do you guys even manage to come to such absurd … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 10:27 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?You know what's absurd? Posting four articles that don't outright attack or blame men and then ask if the articles outright attack or blame men. These are typical articles about toxic masculinity and I have yet to see one that attacks or blames men even though I constantly ask for them, so what else should I post except the first page of Google results? I simply can't post the articles that only exist in the imagination of TRPers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 10:23 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?You might think that you've brought up a great argument, but all you did was to show that you didn't even try to read any of the articles. You only showed that you do not know what you are arguing against. Your argument is basically the point of "toxic masculinity". Society genders those harmful things as something that's expected of men. We are criticizing society for doing that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 10:14 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?or that "devaluation of women and feminine attributes in men" isn't the same as "feminine attributes in men". ONE reference is ENOUGH to cause circular reasoning. AT ANY point in the argument. I briefed-down the part of the argument that contained that reference. You got butthurt. It's not circular reasoning just because you misunderstood it. And I'm not butthurt just for pointing out that you missed the point and misread that sentence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 10:07 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Oh look it's another "you can't read!!!" thread from BiggerD, featuring his favourite topic "toxic masculinity." Well these threads wouldn't be necessary if TRPers were able to read and understand articles about toxic masculinity. As long as their arguments against this topic boil down to "toxic masculinity means that men are toxic and it's just an attack on all of masculinity" I've got to figure out how in the world they manage to come to such absurd conclusions. It's simply inconceivable to me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 10:01 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?That's not the point of this thread. The point is that I want to understand how TRPers manage to come to the absurd conclusion that toxic masculinity is only used to attack and blame men. Stay in topic. How are these articles attacking and blaming men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:55 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?I didn't leave because you proved me wrong. I left because you constantly missed the point, mixed up hegemonic with toxic, argued against strawmen and were unable to come up with actual arguments. I just felt it was pointless to argue with someone who can't even understand that "hegemonic masculinity" isn't the same as "toxic masculinity" or that "devaluation of women and feminine attributes in men" isn't the same as "feminine attributes in men". I would rather spend my time doing literally anyt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:48 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?It's an easy challenge so do not weasel yourself out. How are these articles attacking and blaming men? How is criticizing society for placing these harmful standards upon men the same as blaming men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:40 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Seriously just apply this same stupid concept to any other group and you'd be outraged and offended by it no matter how many weasel words you use. Pointing out that criticizing society isn't the same as blaming men isn't the same as using weasel words. Explaining to TRPers what words mean simply isn't the same as weaseling. It's not my fault that they are incapable of understanding anything that feminists say. I'm merely trying to teach them how to read. But go on and prove me wrong: how are the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:32 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Who is masculinely toxic by their definition? Men. They aren't saying that men are toxic. They are saying that certain societal standards that are being pushed upon men are toxic. They criticize how men adapted to society, not society. They EXPLICITELY TELL MEN TO FIX THEMSELVES, it's not about fixing society, have you read the same thing as me? Unlike you I did that. Let me quote them again to show you that they tell society to change. A) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity The co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:26 AM |
| -2 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?In practice it involves ludicrous shit like men being willing to demand better pay being a bad thing. Quote that. Who said that men being willing to demand better pay is toxic masculinity? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:18 AM |
| -7 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Stay on topic. This thread is about the fact that TRPers are unable to understand basic feminist concepts and get angry just for the sake of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:14 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: How are these following articles about toxic masculinity attacking and blaming men?Here, they take the suicide statistics, and draw a conclusion, by making a gigantic leap, that men kill themselves because of their mentality. Nobody ever suggests that the men who suicide have life so shitty that suicide is worthy. It has to be the fault of men, again. How are they blaming men here? They are blaming toxic masculinity And again here, the solutions proposed are "men to fix themselves", because it's the fault of men themselves. Nobody ever suggests that women are the primary enabl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 09:12 AM |
| 0 | Closing the gap: gender disparity in suicide rate narrowsAlmost all articles about "toxic masculinity" are about their increased suicide rate and how to combat it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 07:42 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Those are straw man arguments, I never made any of the points you debunked? I didn't say that you did. I merely used some examples to point of that masculinity isn't as natural as you think. Men can naturally cry. Masculinity demands that they do not cry. Up until the Victorian times men were allowed to cry and there are lots of accounts of men from less-civilized cultures readily crying for barely any reason without any shame. Straw man. I never made this point. Masculinity does not demand this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 07:39 AM |
| -1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?https://twitter.com/angryyellowgirl/status/1059828573488537600 Maybe you should stop paying attention to troll accounts. I have a hard time understanding what the point of this all even is The point of "toxic masculinity" is to free them from their strict, narrow and fragile gender role and to combat the increased suicide rate of them. Feminism has spent a long time freeing women from their traditional gender role. Nowadays women are allowed to work, to be funny, they can wear jeans, etc But the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 07:28 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Its almost as if men are tired of getting blamed and shit on for all the worlds ill's by people like OP. How am I blaming men for all the worlds ill's? I'm pointing out that this isn't true just because TRPers do not know what words mean. I'm constantly pointing out that women are also part of society and that critizing society for placing harmful upon men isn't the same as blaming men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 07:13 AM |
| 0 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Who slapped it down? I haven't seen that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 07:08 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Why does this have to be gendered? Because society genders it. Society associates these things with men and we critizise society for that. Why isn't toxic feminity a thing? "toxic" isn't meant to describe men, but some of the societal standards that are placed upon them. Calling men that cry faggots is simply more toxic than cuddling women that cry. Can you name some analogies? What are the analogies to "I don't have feelings cause feelings are gay", man-cards, "don't be a pussy and do (insert s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 07:08 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?There is no such thing as toxic masculinity, Only masculinity "there is no such thing as a bad movie. There are only movies" To think something naturally occurring through evolution and natural selection for thousands and thousands of years could be termed with such stupid and ill placed phrases is beyond me. What's natural about the idea that pink is unmasculine? There's nothing biological about this and it has been the other way around a hundred years ago. What's natural about the idea that me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 06:44 AM |
| -1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Shitposts belong to the automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 06:39 AM |
| 0 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?The point of this thread is to explain to TeRPers how adjectives work. I'm not trying to sneak that in. I'm trying to explain to TeRPers that "I hate rainy days" doesn't mean that all days are rainy nor that I hate all of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 06:39 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?None of these. I am not sure what your point is. The point is to highlight how absurd TRP arguments against toxic masculinity are. Are you saying that all masculinity is toxic masculinity and that all masculine men are toxic? The opposite. TRPers generally can't read and thus believe that "toxic masculinity" means that masculinity is toxic and see it as an attack on all men. I'm using the rainy days analogy to try to explain to TeRPers how adjectives work. Mentally stable people don't actually b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/18 06:38 AM |
| 0 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Come back when you've got an actual argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 10:37 PM |
| -2 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?I didn't say that they can mean anything. I said that they can have different meanings. That's simply a hyperbolic misinterpretation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 10:09 PM |
| -2 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Men aren't inherently bad. The point of this thread is that "I hate rainy days" doesn't mean that I hate all days. It's the exact same reason why "toxic masculinity" doesn't mean that men are inherently bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 09:53 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?The definitions of masculine behavior and toxic masculine behavior are quite similar, or down right the same in feminist literature, namely in the writings of Kuper, Dworkin and Stoltenberg. and in some non scientific articles, It is hard to find a difference between having masculine genitalia and being toxic. Thus making a strange scenario. Actually no. The difference is usually laid out quite simply. Kupers: The term toxic masculinity is useful in discussions about gender and forms of masculin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 09:48 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?If the meanings can differ, then can differ by any extent. Cold/lukewarm/warm can also differ in meaning, but that doesn't mean that they can differ by any extent. Like I said in the original comment, if you meant 'masculinity' as in the physical aspects of masculinity and not the behavioral then this OP is absurd. Of course you can like height and strength while disliking "toxic masculinity." Such a claim doesn't even need to be made. Disliking toxic masculinity is disliking masculinity in gene… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 09:33 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?I didn't expect the alien to miss the point so much. Hegemonic masculinity is the stereotypic notion of masculinity that shapes the socialization and aspirations of young males (Pollack, 1998) Alien: I've gathered information from the time period of Pollack's publication, and saw a huge variety of aspirations among young males, from those who wanted to be astronauts to those who wanted to be gangsters; from those who wanted to be presidents to those who wanted to be school teachers, and a growin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 09:14 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?If a woman who says she likes "masculine men" is not claiming a preference for traditional masculinity, then this argument is pointless because "masculinity" can then be defined as literally anything. When she says she likes "masculine men" she could be, in fact, claiming she likes men who dress up as baby girls or flying sea turtles. Just because the meanings differ this doesn't mean that it can be defined as literally anything. That's just a slippery slope, but not an actual argument. Sure mos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 08:30 PM |
| -1 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?This benevolent sexism is toxic masculinity per the feminist definition of toxic masculinity. Therefore, you can't claim a desire for "traditional masculinity" while not liking "toxic masculinity." They are one in the same. Words can have different meanings to different people. Just because you think that masculine means benevolent sexist this doesn't mean that they feel the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 07:53 PM |
| -2 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?What box. Provide these boxes. As you apparently know what you are talking about, instead of using vague descriptive words and twisting everything you say. They are vague on purpose, because I'm talking about social constructs. What you consider to be masculine could be unmasculine for someone from another country, economic class of family. The vagueness expresses this on a meta-level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 07:37 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Provide the sufficient definition of toxic masculinity. What about Kupers? https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jclp.20105 Connell defines hegemonic masculinity as the dominant notion of masculinity in a particular historical context (Connell, 1987). In contemporary American and European culture, it serves as the standard upon which the “real man” is defined. Hegemonic masculinity is the stereotypic notion of masculinity that shapes the socialization and aspirations of young males (Po… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 07:14 PM |
| 4 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?It's not "masculine" to play with dolls, so you are going to have to argue that desiring "masculinity" is not desiring "traditional masculinity" here. That's kind of the point though. According to a strict and fragile construction of traditional masculinity you are a faggot if you play with dolls. You are no longer a Real Man, but merely a failed one. The same isn't true for someone that complains about toxic masculinity. They understand that someone can be masculine without having to check ever… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 07:07 PM |
| 4 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?Why do you have to gender someones toxic behavior? I'm not doing that. I'm calling out society for doing this. Toxic masculinity doesn't mean that men are toxic. It refers to harmful societal standards that men are expected to fulfill. The societal idea that men with feelings are gay is toxic masculinity, because it's homophobic and also prevents men from sharing their emotions or from seeking mental health. The societal idea that men are always willing and ready for sex is toxic masculinity, be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 06:56 PM |
| 3 | Q4RP: Which of these following statements are hypocritical?The lines between masculine and toxic masculinity are not black and white. They are often grey and dependent on the audience. They are rarely grey. They are usually presented with specific examples. Protectiveness can easily be perceived as possessiveness. Stoicism can easily be perceived as emotionally closed off. Self-reliance can easily be seen as a refusal to get help when needed. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/6bxjua/conversation_is_masculinity_toxic/dhqibli When in all practical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 06:47 PM |
| 0 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?Quote her. Where exactly has she called it toxic masculinity? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?Just masculine men. No one has ever said that all masculinity is toxic masculinity though. So we are back at square one: why do you think that it's hypocritical if someone that enjoys sunny days complains about rainy days? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?No one has ever been able to point out the opposite though. I rarely ever leave, but if I do it's usually because it starts to become too annoying to try to explain to TeRPers what words mean or having to explain to them over and over that right wing blogs that complain about toxic masculinity aren't proof that feminists are using it that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 05:22 PM |
| 1 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?But no one has ever said that attractive and masculine men are toxic. So please tell me: how is it hypocritical to complain about toxic masculinity and to sleep with masculine men? And then please tell me why it's hypocritical if I complain about rainy days, but like sunny days. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 05:13 PM |
| 2 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?I think there were just a few really loud voices trying to use that phrase differently. That caused the confusion. I've been asking for years, but so far not a single TRPer has been able to offer just a single piece of evidence that a feminist has ever used "toxic masculinity" as an attack on all masculinity or as an attack on all men. Where are these people that are using it differently, and why has no one ever been able to prove that they exist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 05:11 PM |
| 1 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?It makes perfect sense for people that do not suffer from TeRPism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 05:04 PM |
| 0 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?Especially because the quoted article never even mentions it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?feminists who will be huge hypocrites and go to chad for orgasms on the side and thus not facilitate removing it How do TRPers always manage to go from "toxic masculinity is bad" to "masculinity is bad"? If I complain about rainy days this doesn't mean that I think that all days are rainy nor that I hate all days. Am I an hypocrite if I complain about rainy days, but then go hiking on a sunny day? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 05:00 PM |
| 0 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?Can you name anyone on the left that said that giving your partner an orgasm is toxic masculinity? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?I think this social construct is also a description of the natural world. What's natural about the idea that pink is unmasculine? There's nothing biological about this and it has been the other way around a hundred years ago. What's natural about the idea that men should wear jeans, but not a dress? A dress would allow their balls to get more fresh cold air which would be less harmful than having their balls overheat in tight clothes. What's natural about the idea that eating vegetables makes yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 04:49 PM |
| 1 | What's the reason behind this overemphasis on trangenderism?I don’t think we have the data to suggest that. The data samples are very small from what Ive seen. It's the recommended treatment because we have so much data that shows how efficient it is. Do you think a doctor should continue to prescribe hormones if the patients gender dysphoria worsens? In this case not, but that's an extremely rare outlier case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 01:46 PM |
| 2 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?Still not how anyone is using it. Shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity. Having control over your feelings isn't. Let me start this with the definition of masculinity. Masculinity doesn't refer to traits of men. It refers to societal standards that are being pushed upon men. Masculinity are the expectations that are being put upon men, but not the things that men do, because men can do things that are feminine or unmasculine. Men even do some unmasculine/feminine things natura… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 01:41 PM |
| 0 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?Right, toxic masculinity refers to "behavior you don't like that is being done by a man". That's not what it means. No one has ever used it that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 01:02 PM |
| 2 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?I know that "I hate rainy days" only refers to days that are rainy. So if you are one of the few TeRPs that is able to understand that "rainy days" refers to days that are rainy, then why can't you apply the same to "toxic masculinity"? Toxic masculinity is always used to differentiate between those kinds of masculinity that are harmful and those that aren't. So either you aren't willing to have a honest discussion about it, or you are unable to understand any kind of nuance. Which is it? You ad… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 01:00 PM |
| -1 | What's the reason behind this overemphasis on trangenderism?Gender disphoria is a rare condition and even if we can support and help those who have it, I don't think it should be constantly publicized or proselytized. It's because society needs to change if we want to help those people. 50 years ago gay people used to be called unnatural and blasphemous because God created Adam and Eve, but not Adam and Steve. They used to get beaten up regularly, kicked out of their homes and were not allowed to come out of the closet. It took some time, but society man… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 12:47 PM |
| 2 | What's the reason behind this overemphasis on trangenderism?In many cases, the treatment for transwomen makes the illness worse, not better. In the vast majority of cases it helps tremendously. Regret is very rare and is usually caused by outdated surgery procedures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 12:40 PM |
| 0 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?How is that toxic? You've got to consider that "toxic masculinity" doesn't mean that masculinity is toxic just because the manosphere evidently can't understand any kind of nuance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 12:35 PM |
| 0 | Is giving a woman an orgasm an example of toxic masculinity?In my personal opinion, "toxic masculinity" is normally used as a misleading manipulation to make men feel guilty for being masculine. That's not how anyone has ever used it though. That's merely the strawman definition that the manosphere relies on due to their extremely poor reading comprehension, extreme black and white thinking and incapability of understanding any kind of nuance. It's just like how "I hate rainy days" does not mean that all days are rainy nor that I hate all days, but for s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/18 12:34 PM |
| 2 | When have women ever had it worse than men?We even voluntarily let them off the Titanic first while we drowned in the freezing sea. Why would we do that if we were opressing them? Well the Titanic was an abberation. It's one of the first cases when "women an children first" has been used, but usually it was "everyone for themselves". It's a rare outlier that was first being popularized in order to deny women the right to vote. You know about the Titanic doing "women and children first" because that argument was used to deny women the rig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/18 11:25 AM |
| 3 | Q4BP: What are the (1) weirdest and (2) most damaging misconceptions that Red-Pillers have, in your opinion?It's not a necessity. It's simply what causes TRPers to agree with AWALT. You are limiting yourself to those that do not see selfishness as a red flag. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/18 01:57 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?Qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men. Exactly. And how is something that is being done to men, a trait of men? Again: How is the holocaust "toxic Judaism"? How is black slavery "toxic blackness". How is a woman being raped "toxic femininity"? Again: masculinity doesn't refer to traits of men. It refers to traits that society regards as characteristics of men. But if something bad is done to men, well that's different of course. Masculinity refers to societal standards that a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 10:25 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?Is "toxic masculinity" a trait of men or is it not? If it's not, then it's not masculinity at all, toxic or otherwise. Let me start this with the definition of masculinity. Masculinity doesn't refer to traits of men. It refers to societal standards that are being pushed upon men. Masculinity are the expectations that are being put upon men, but not the traits of men. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity Masculinity is a set of attributes, behaviors, and roles associated with boys and men.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 10:19 PM |
| 5 | Why can people mix TRP and MGTOW together? They are two completely different subsBecause for non-misogynistic people there's barely any difference. It's exactly how people also throw protestants and catholics in a bucket. Sure if you are a protestant you might think that you are completely different than catholics, but for someone who isn't a Christian you are both preaching to the same God and reading the same scripture, with minor differences. It's the same with TRP and MGTOW. Both believe that women are mentally retarded children, but TRPers and MGTOWs simply chose differ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 10:05 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are a part of society.But mostly it's related to men because it's almost always brought up in the context that the patriarchy inflicts women with internalized misogyny by teaching it to them, making men the source. How does it make men the source? Women are also part of society I don't understand why a movement so fixated on dissolving gender norms sees no contradiction here. Personally, I'd rather call out toxic behaviour without mentioning gender at all. You can't paint all men as the problem but preach equality at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 10:00 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?Then why must it be described as a trait of men? That's our question. Feminists critizise that society describes those toxic traits as appropriate or expected of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 09:58 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?It makes no sense to call something that is done to a group as a trait of that group. We don't call the holocaust "toxic Judaism" either. It's the worst kind of actual victim blaming. How is it victim blaming? Masculinity refers to societal standards that are being pushed upon men. It's not blaming men; it's obviously blaming society for pushing toxic masculinity upon men. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity Masculinity is a set of attributes, behaviors, and roles associated with boys an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 09:56 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Women are a part of society.Maybe men get ruffled because all the bad things have male-related terms. Patriarchy. As explained in my other thread it's simply a fitting way to describe traditional western culture. It's simply a historical fact that women were generally second class citizens compared to men. For centuries we lived according to rules like Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, obey your husbands as you obey the Lord. The husband is the head of the wife, just as Christ is the head of the church people. The church is his bod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 06:37 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Women are a part of society.I'm talking about actual feminists and not some fringe TERFs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 01:23 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are a part of society.How is it not? If a man's identity is masculinity like it is for most men, attacking masculinity is very much attacking their identity. But no one is attacking masculinity. They are attacking toxic masculinity. If I complain about rainy days then I'm not complaining about all days. Can you seriously not understand this? Even though they are not, but I guess you have to lie. Mean while you keep on flipping back and forth from toxic masculinity being a academic term and nothing but and adjective a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 12:24 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women are a part of society.Wikipedia is still a better source than feelings though. Feminists use words the same way academics, Wikipedia and the dictionary use them. TRPers use words according to what they feel they mean. So it's quite clear that it isn't feminists that are using made-up definitions, but that it's simply TeRPs that do not know what words mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 11:58 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If you do not believe in patriarchy you do not believe in history.Women are free now, what makes you think we're still in a patriarchy? Not every aspect of patriarchy has been dismantled. For example women are still expected to take up the husbands name. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 11:41 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are a part of society.Stop lying and/or trolling. See this as a warning. Right here in this very thread I'm talking about the fact that women - as a part of society - are also responsible for upholding societal ideas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 11:37 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women are a part of society.Using words according to the academic definition, Wikipedia and the dictionary isn't a made-up definition. It's the correct definition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 11:34 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are a part of society.According to you, as if your the authority over what one should feel. Attacking "toxic" masculinity is attacking masculinity seeing that masculinity for loads of men, not counting you, is part of their identity and you are literally attacking their identity. How is it attacking their identity? You've got to consider that normal people understand how adjectives are used. If I say that "rainy days are shit" I'm obviously not saying that all days are rainy nor that all days are shit. I love how you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 11:34 AM |
| 3 | CMV: If you do not believe in patriarchy you do not believe in history.Patriarchy is not a thing anymore That's just like saying that racism was defeated the moment black people got the right to vote. Patriarchy doesn't prevent society from being gynocentric At the cost of women's agency and freedom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 10:15 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women are a part of society.Yes, it is an attack on masculinity, like, how we are, by default. If you don't want to be attacked because you like being feminine, why would you let us be attacked for being masculine? But no one is attacking you for being masculine. They are attacking toxic masculinity. If I complain about rainy days this doesn't mean that I hate all days nor that I think that all days are rainy. If feminists complain about patriarchy it isn't an attack on all men Really? then please, define patriarchy, and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 08:35 AM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?YetAnotherCommenter explained that the term toxic masculinity places responsibility squarely on men's shoulders because feminism assumes men to be responsible for gender roles. No. The very premise is problematic. So of course they're not using it 'incorrectly' if it places the blame on men. If gender norms are forced on everyone, how can it just be men's fault? Women are also part of society. If feminists complain about society this doesn't mean that they are solely blaming men. Thus when femin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 08:07 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women are a part of society.? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 07:36 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Women are a part of society.Why not? Yes words have meanings, but unlike TRP I do care about the actual meaning of words. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 07:35 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women are a part of society.If you have a problem, sort it out. If you can't sort it out, accept that and get on with your life. Why cry like a little bitch Why are those that have boundaries and voice their opinions "little bitches" and not those that just go along quietly with anything? what does that achieve? Women and black people got the right to vote. Gay people got acceptance and the right to come out of the closet. I could go on for days, but "whiny little bitches" have made lots of changes to society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 06:37 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Women are a part of society.I'm pointing out that women can be just as responsible for patriarchy or toxic masculinity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 06:32 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Women are a part of society.I don't think that that's a woman-only thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 06:30 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Women are a part of society.A bunch of people that live together in a more or less ordered community. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 06:28 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?But they do. That's how any feminist uses those terms. Here's a compilation of feminist articles about toxic masculinity that all criticize society, but not men. Simply because feminists know that masculinity refers to societal standards on appropriate masculine behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 05:53 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?You've got to consider the historical context. Feminists have been talking about internalized misogyny and passive femininity for a long time before the men of the Mythopoetic Men's Movement started talking about toxic masculinity. Feminists merely started to use this term to show support for issues that Men's Movements talk about. https://www.revolvy.com/page/Mythopoetic-men%27s-movement Groups formed during the mythopoetic men's movement typically avoided political and social advocacy in favor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 05:32 PM |
| 6 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?None of your definitions are correct. Men forcing harmful gender norms on women ---> toxic femininity, but those norms can be based on misogyny Women forcing harmful gender norms on other women ---> also toxic femininity, but the norms they push can be due to internalized misogyny men forcing harmful gender norms on other men ---> toxic masculinity, but the norms they push can be based on internalized misandry women forcing harmful gender norms on men ---> also toxic masculinity, but those norms… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 05:13 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?Saying internalized misandry instead of toxic masculinity will make men seems like victims who are unfairly being forced into these social toxic expectations, which go against the main theory of feminism ideology which is the patriarchy, and of course they can't accept that. It's basically hypocrisy. But toxic masculinity achieves the same thing. Toxic masculinity refers to harmful gender norms that are forced upon men by society. Toxic masculinity refers to ways in which the patriarchy is harmf… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 03:47 PM |
| 7 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?I still have yet to see any feminist article that misuses the term in the way the manosphere claims. And I've been asking for such articles for years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 03:43 PM |
| 9 | [Discussion] Why isn't toxic masculinity called internalized misandry? Why isn't internalized misogyny called toxic femininity?Because "internalized misandry" makes men sound like victims of social expectations that are cruelly forced upon them. So does "toxic masculinity". Hence, "internalized misogyny" and "toxic masculinity," with no discussion of "internalized misandry" or "toxic femininity." "internalized misandry" simply means something else than "toxic masculinity". One refers to an internalized hatred against men and the other one refers to harmful gender norms that men are expected to fulfill. Nobody would say … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 02:18 PM |
| 8 | Housewives & divorceActually no. I simply saw your one-word answer and wanted to explain to you that you should debate on a debate board. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 08:24 AM |
| 10 | Housewives & divorceThis isn't a RP circlejerk board. If you hold a different opinion don't just say "wrong". Instead explain why you think that way and support it with sources if necessary. Here's the U-shape and as you can clearly see 1 and 10 are roughly the same just like 2 and 21. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/18 08:12 AM |
| 2 | are red and blue akin to the duality of our nature?Red and blue pill relate to attachment styles. Blue pillers are securely attached. They are used to egalitarian secure-secure relationships. Red pillers used to have an anxious attachment style, but then exchanged it for a dismissive-avoidant one. They are used to drama-prone/emotional-rollercoaster relationships with anxious-preoccupied women. https://www.psychalive.org/what-is-your-attachment-style/ secure People who formed secure attachments in childhood have secure attachment patterns in adu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/18 06:37 PM |
| 3 | Are dating apps accelerating the demise of the free sexual marketplace?Are you asexual and aromantic? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/18 05:18 PM |
| 4 | In terms of dating and relationships, how are men adapting to many women finding success and fulfillment in their careers?https://www.npr.org/2015/02/08/384695833/what-happens-when-wives-earn-more-than-husbands Thirty-eight percent of American wives earn more than their husbands In 1 in 3 of those cases, the woman's only earning more because her husband isn't earning anything at all. So if you only look at marriages where both spouses are working, then actually, you find that only 29 percent of women out-earn their husband | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/18 05:12 PM |
| 3 | In terms of dating and relationships, how are men adapting to many women finding success and fulfillment in their careers?A third outearn their partner. Those aren't useless outliers and this isn't a pointless question just because TRPers do not like any kind of nuance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/18 04:45 PM |
| 5 | In terms of dating and relationships, how are men adapting to many women finding success and fulfillment in their careers?Oh yeah there's nothing that spells "loser" more than having a girlfriend and being chill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/18 01:26 PM |
| 2 | Q4BOTH - What is some genuinely advice from the other sideI'd say that this is how most people understand and use it. It's a motivational phrase that's meant to give people confidence in themselves. Chill out and be yourself. Stop giving a fuck what others think. Don't pretend to be someone else and don't be embarrassed about yourself. The mainstream usage is to improve confidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/18 08:38 PM |
| 0 | Q4BOTH - What is some genuinely advice from the other side"just be yourself" walks hand in hand with being confident in yourself. You should be yourself instead of pretending to be someone else. You don't have to worry about people that don't like your quirks, because those that like you for who you are are those that matter. It's about not pretending to be someone else because you are a magical person despite your flaws. And if you work towards your goals you will achieve them. In order to be yourself you've got to be confident in yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/18 06:11 PM |
| 0 | Q4BOTH - What is some genuinely advice from the other sideGood red pill advice: "Just act normal" isn't actually helpful. The feminist advice to just be yourself isn't really enough for guys, because they're expected to initiate. How can anyone claim that they are "being themselves" if they don't even work on achieving their goals and dreams? You aren't being yourself if you are attracted to someone, but never indicate that in any way. "just be yourself" can give them the necessary confidence to make the first move. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/18 10:21 AM |
| 13 | If the Redpill (or anypill) causes anger, it's because how fake the Blue Pill soundsAgain with this nonsensical idea that "AWALT is just an innocent description of female nature" We simply disagree that women largely share those traits just because TRPers feel this way. We surely believe that TRPers only attract those women that are illoyal, illogical, manipulative, immature and basically mentally retarded, but we disagree that all women are like that just because TRPers can't get any better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/11/18 07:51 AM |
| 10 | How common is freezing up during rape or sexual assaults?i feel like the ONLY time i ever hear the 'freeze' argument in humans is with women and only during sexual assault/rape encounters. why is that? https://www.uml.edu/News/stories/2017/ShortlandGrant.aspx Fight, flight or freeze – those are the most common responses to high-stakes decisions made under stress. Most of the time, soldiers quickly choose fight or flight, practically without thinking about it But when faced with two equally bad or uncertain choices, soldiers, police and other emergency… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/18 10:36 AM |
| 3 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.That's the strawman version of what their politicians actually argue for, but in 14 states creationism is actually being taught in schools. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 06:59 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Your asinine party in the US just ran two candidates that still fucking believe in the tenets of Soviet style economics and society.....one, that moron Bernie Sanders, actually took his fucking honey moon in the 60s to the USSR and has ignored 30 years of evidence since the fall of the Soviets as to the absolute hell that communism\socialism wrought on that damn country and is fighting the 60s era fight to impose the same shit onto 2018 America. Why is "more welfare" the same to you as Soviet Ru… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 06:41 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.High openness people tend towards liberal schools of thought. Low openness, high conscientiousness tend toward conservative schools of thought. Those two directly relate to facts vs feelings. Someone who's open will accept new scientific research simply more openly than someone who would rather stand by their traditional beliefs. Openness directly relates to acceptance of facts instead of reliance on feelings. Do you honestly believe everyone who votes Republican believes the world is 9000 years… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 06:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Read my comment again | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 05:50 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.It's still a slippery slope, because wanting more welfare is not the same as wanting Soviet Russia "communism". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 05:26 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Nobody votes in facts they all vote on emotions. That's too oversimplified, because there are clear observable trends. Liberals tend to have higher IQs, higher education and more interest in new scientific discoveries whereas Conservatives tend to suffer from cognitive rigidity, intolerance for ambiguity/uncertainty and a preference for traditions. There are measurable neurological differences between liberals and conservatives: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201104/cons… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 05:17 PM |
| 2 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Oh so now there's a difference. Liberals ask for less welfare than Denmark has -> Conservatives argue that socialism will never work and accuse them of trying to bring Stalin era communism to the US Liberals point out that their form of welfare works for countries like Denmark -> Conservatives argue that Denmark isn't real socialism. So which is it? Are liberals arguing for socialism or is a little bit of welfare not the same as socialism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 04:08 PM |
| 3 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.How can it be "the craziest side of the Republican party" if those are the Republican candidates that get voted into positions of power? If a liberal would say that straight people deserve to be killed they wouldn't get any votes, but if a Republican publishes a document titled "Biblical Basis for War" which details that gay people should be killed because the Bible says so it only helps him to get more votes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 03:44 PM |
| 2 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Is it a scientific fact that everyone who's older than 18 is an adult? No that's just a cultural opinion Is it a scientific fact that everyone who was born male is a man? No that's just a cultural opinion Stop arguing about social constructs as if they were objective facts. It's simply not unscientific to claim that sex and gender aren't the same thing just like it's not unscientific to claim that age and adulthood aren't the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 03:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.You are basing this on the assumption that "every male is a man" is an objective fact, but you are forgetting that gender is a social construct. This is not a fact just because it's true for your culture. There's simply no objectively true way of assigning gender. Some cultures base gender on sex, other base it on performance and even others base it on identity. For Native American cultures it would be no problem to address someone as a woman even if that person was born as a male, because they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 03:32 PM |
| 2 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Denmark is a broad-reaching welfare state that ensures that all citizens have access to free education and health care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 03:11 PM |
| 2 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Yes, communism is so much more scientific than human rights. That's a typical right wing argument. You've got to consider that slippery slopes do not make the other side look bad, but only show that you can only think in the most black and white way possible. The (American) right is more in support of nuclear power - the only viable alternative to fossil fuel. As well as "clean coal" and the belief that hair sprays can't possibly harm the atmosphere because you use them in a room. "The left agre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 03:08 PM |
| 3 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.It is a fact, even if you feel differently. Sex and gender simply refer to different things even if conservatives do not know what words mean. Your biological sex and your assigned role in society are not the same thing even if conservatives aren't able to handle this nuance and even though they do not want to acknowledge that other cultures exist. Transgender people have a gender identity that doesn't align with their sex simply because they were born with the brain of the opposite sex even tho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 03:04 PM |
| 2 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Compared to socialist places like Denmark the US is a third world country though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 03:01 PM |
| 3 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.I just gave you three liberal talking points that weren't based on science. Which I ignored because they didn't seem like good faith arguments. There's plenty of anti science going on in the left as well including the majority of anti vaxxers and other weird crystal healers That's not even true. https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2018/01/29/conservatives_might_actually_be_more_anti-vaccine_but_it_doesnt_matter.html 76% of Democrats and 65% of Conservatives believed that childhood vaccines sho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 02:42 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Threads relating to PPD topics are always allowed, and the idea that women are all about feelings but men all about facts is simply a theory of TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 02:22 PM |
| 3 | CMV: If it were true that women are all about feelings and men all about facts then their voting patterns would be the other way around.Neither political party is scientifically based, you've just cherry picked examples where the left uses science to push thier agenda. But wouldn't you agree that in general the left is usually more facts-based and the right more feelings-based. I personally can't think of a single conservative talking point that's based on facts or science, but almost all liberal ones are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 02:21 PM |
| 4 | Off Topic Thread: Election 2018 (10 November 2018)were you really that outraged when Trump said 'Grab them by the pussy.' I'm still surprised that conservatives weren't. Teenage beauty pageants accuse him of just walking into their clothing rooms to look at their naked bodies -> Trump brags about doing exactly that, but his base still thinks those underage girls were just lying cunts even though he admitted to doing that. Several women accuse him of just grabbing them by the pussy against their will -> Trump brags about doing exactly that, but … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 01:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRPs and MGTOWs don’t struggle with women, they struggle with co-dependency.Can't CYV because it's true. TRP merely helped them to exchange one insecure attachment style for another. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201304/what-makes-man-great-romantic-partner Anxiously attached people are afraid that they will be left uncared for, and therefore are more likely to be the needy ones in an adult relationship. People who have an avoidant attachment style express their insecurity by distancing themselves from others and never getting emotionally c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/18 08:55 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.See that’s the thing, it’s only because of things like ‘gender studies’ that people believe that there is a distinction between sex and gender. It's simple. There is a distinction simply because your gender isn't the same across cultures. It makes no sense to claim that it's the same just because it's the same in your culture. A transgender woman has the sex male no matter where she goes, because her chromosomes do not change. In the Bible belt her gender is man, but in Iran her gender is woman.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 01:17 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.But we do not state that humans are not bipedal just because there is an anomaly somewhere. You got my point totally backwards. That's not our point though. No one says that humans aren't sexually dimorphic. And yes, actually, a three legged human is still bipedal by virtue of the fact that humans are bipedal. They just happen to be a genetic mistake. How is a three legged human still bipedal just because humans usually are bipedal? Would you also say that gay men are attracted to women simply b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 11:55 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Ok so can depressed people live healthy lives if they can find ways to deal with their depression. I don't think you are being considered to be depressed if you can lead a normal healthy life. Just like you aren't considered to be an alcoholic if you don't have strong cravings for alcohol that negatively affect your life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 11:22 AM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.It’s not too much of a stretch with trans because 99.7% to 99.97% of all people are not trans. This means we can say with biological certainty - with a very low error % - that all biologically adult male people are men and all biologically adult female people are women. If someone is born with three legs we do not insist on calling them bipedal just because 99.9% of people are bipedal. If someone is born red-haired we do not insist on stating that they are either brunette or blonde just because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/18 11:06 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Ctrl+F Harvard and you can find some sources that I posted in this thread | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 06:51 AM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.It's not contradictory just because the right doesn't know what words mean. "gender is a social construct" and "transgender people were born with a brain of the opposite sex" are both correct at the same time, but there's nothing contradictory about this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/18 06:48 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.If you mean "do you base people's gender on their gender identity" then yes, I do agree that for example transgender women are women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 10:23 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Transgender people were born with the brain of the opposite sex. They aren't, simply put. Why not? Are brain scans not evidence? If they were, there would be no notable changes in their behaviour whilst they undergo "hormone therapy." Why not? Hormones still have an effect, especially if you've never been exposed to them at that level | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 10:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.What I'm saying is that this is what is meant with "gender is a social construct". It's a social construct, because it refers to your role in society and the associated expectations. Let me use my example again: If a transgender woman moves from the Bible belt to Iran her gender changes, because on a societal level the way she is getting classified and addressed as changes. The rules she has to follow change and the pronouns that are used to address her change. Transgender woman in the Bible bel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 10:05 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Either way, it'd be a pretty hard sell for these scientists to say, "No yeah, he read our data correctly" to the crowds of leftists looking to them to do the right thing, which has consistently been to uphold blank slatism, etc. Maybe don't attach yourself to obviously false pretenses and be a dick to anyone who disagrees with them? Blank slateism hasn't been upheld in academia for decades now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 08:51 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Of course If transgender people can live as their preferred gender their suicide rates drastically drop and their mental health dramatically increases. You can find a whole bunch of sources here. Gay people also had a suicide attempt rate of 40% back when they were not allowed to come out of the closet, but nowadays they have normal mental health levels. I can't find my real source anymore, but there's a clear trend https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.88.1.57 According to this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 08:49 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.There is nothing I can do to not be male, no matter how hard I wish it or say it. If my brain is trying to make me think I'm female, that's the defect. We should be treating my malfunctioning brain, not maiming my functioning body. But I'm not talking about sex. I'm talking about gender. Let me try this again. Sex is your biological makeup: male or female Gender is your role in society: man or woman Your sex is a biological fact, but your gender is merely a cultural opinion. For example a transg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 08:46 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Are brain scans not evidence? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 08:03 PM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.there are a number of differences in the male and female brains And for transgender people it's generally true across the board. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:54 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people."I don't see why Dr Oz isn't credible, he's a doctor after all" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:45 PM |
| 6 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people./r/conspiracy is that way | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:43 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.If transgender people can live as their preferred gender their suicide rates drastically drop and their mental health dramatically increases. Gay people also had a suicide attempt rate of 40% back when they were not allowed to come out of the closet, but nowadays they have normal mental health levels. Transgender people that can live as their preferred gender in an accepting environment have suicide attempt rates at roughly the same level as cisgender people. They aren't mentally ill because the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:42 PM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.considering there is ZERO evidence that trans people were "born with opposite sex brains" Are brain scans not evidence? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:39 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Gender dysphoria is not the same as being transgender. Gender dysphoria is caused by them being forced by our culture to live as the wrong gender. The best way to heal their gender dysphoria is to let them live as their preferred gender. Transgender people that can live a normal life as their preferred gender are not considered to be mentally ill because their gender dysphoria has been cured. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:34 PM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.My point still stands, because you are basing it on hyperbolic misinterpretations. No one is arguing that there are 78 genders. If you take a honest look at the 58 gender options on Facebook you will notice that these aren't 58 distinct genders. Most of them are redundant like man, cis man, cisgender man, trans man, trans* man, transgender man, transexual man, etc all have the gender man. It's simply a strawman argument to claim that we believe that there are hundreds of genders. Transgender man… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:30 PM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Not all want surgery. For some being able to live as their preferred gender is enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:16 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.I've said that the brain is generally similar and explicitly mentioned three areas that differ. Why do you think that I've said that it's the only area? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:15 PM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Yes, Jordan Peterson supports him, but credible scientists or even the people that wrote the papers he relied on don't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:13 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.That articles doesn't say anything about it being the only dimorphic area of the brain And neither did I. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 07:01 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_dimorphic_nucleus Stay quiet if you do not know what you are talking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:41 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.I've learned this from feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Depends on the definition of "mentally ill" Yes, and according to the medicinal definition neither transgender nor gay people are mentally ill, because they can lead a healthy life if they can live outside of the closet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:32 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.It is. See how unconvincing that is? Go ahead and prove me wrong, but don't just say "nuh-uh" because I've already posted sources in this thread that show that it's true for the sexually dimorphic nucleus, the self-perception module and to the reaction to sexual pheromones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:31 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.In many cases there's a genetic basis for gender dysphoria. Usually it's caused by hormonal mixups which are often caused by genetic anomalies that lead to receptors for sexual hormones not working correctly or the wrong amount of sexual hormones being present during pregnancy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:25 PM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Most of the brain is very similar. These sex differences primarily affect places like self-perception and sexual behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:18 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Are gay people mentally ill? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:16 PM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.If men get to be women and women get to be men just by saying their brain tells them it's so, and that's not a situation worthy of medical intervention, then I get to hear the voice of God and await His orders. You've got to consider that gender is a social construct. If you had been born in a different culture you would think completely different about this, because that's just a cultural opinion. In the West all males are men and all females are women, because the West bases their gender syste… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:14 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Yes, if even the people that wrote the studies that he relied on tell him that his interpretation is wrong then that's debunking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.#2 do not even exist outside of strawman arguments | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:06 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.How is it hamstering if that's the exact same argument that the people that wrote the studies he relied on used to debunk him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:04 PM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.So do other delusions. But we medicate and therapy other delusions away, while embracing sexually deviant delusions. It's a sign of the times. We love sexual degeneracy in 2018. You could try a "pray the gay away"-camp to force gay people to be straight, but the best way to help them is to let them live freely. You could try medication and therapy to change the whole brain structure of transgender people which has lots of adverse effects and causes more harm than good. Or you could just let them… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 06:02 PM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Of I thought your comment was related to this: All the available evidence shows that their brain structure aligns with the gender they identify as. Yeah as far as I can tell that's the RP stance, because there have been plenty of posts about this topic at /r/TheRedPill and even some of their sidebars sources talked about it on their blogs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 05:55 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.He was still wrong due to his autism. Due to his lack of nuance and extreme black and white thinking he did RP science instead of actual science. He took minor differences (of which most do not even apply to STEM) and turned those up to 11. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 05:53 PM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Is that really their view? Yeah. I've posted some sources in this thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 05:47 PM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Why? Because it would help them support their theories and it would also give them more credibility if they stopped relying on outdated and unscientific beliefs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 05:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Not sure where you read that transgenders have the other sex’s brain but no, that’s not how it works. There have been plenty of studies that did brain scans on them or tested how they react to pheromones. All the available evidence shows that their brain structure aligns with the gender they identify as. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 05:38 PM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.Delusional people have different, defective brain structures. How are they delusional if brain scans prove them correct? Delusional people believe in something that's wrong, but transgender people are evidently correct | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 05:36 PM |
| 4 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.That's solely your selection bias, but not related to reality in any way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 05:33 PM |
| 2 | CMV: TRP should change its stance towards transgender people.So your stance is based on the believe that biology always works 100% according to plan? That's simply unscientific, because transgender people evidently have the brain of the opposite sex http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/ Transgender women tend to have brain structures that resemble cisgender women, rather than cisgender men. Two sexually dimorphic (differing between men and women) areas of the brain are often compared between men and women. The b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 05:32 PM |
| 2 | What are the proofs that TRP is incorrect in its assumptions? {Quantitative data only, please}Can you show me where okcupid said what you said? I understand the graphs are from okcupid but the graphs alone don't support the conclusions your making. https://archive.is/ZJymw#selection-305.0-683.306 One of my claims was a direct quote: This graph also dramatically illustrates just how much more important a woman’s looks are than a guy’s And here's more When it comes down to actually choosing targets, men choose the modelesque. Someone like roomtodance above gets nearly 5 times as many messa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 04:01 PM |
| 2 | What are the proofs that TRP is incorrect in its assumptions? {Quantitative data only, please}I'm not saying that this is how it plays out. I'm just saying that with out examining the data more closely (which we don't have access too) you reach the conclusion your making. Those aren't my conclusions, they are those from OkCupid themselves. TRPs conclusions are the opposite of OkCupid. So why should I trust the TRP interpretation instead of mine and the one from the people that analyzed the data? The more plausible explanation is simply that TRPers do not care about facts at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 03:30 PM |
| 3 | What are the proofs that TRP is incorrect in its assumptions? {Quantitative data only, please}Keep in mind the 3 first curves are only 10% of men, while for women this is something like 47% of them. Those are percentiles. Each curve contains the same amount. It's 16.6% per curve. You should really learn how to read data before trying to interpret it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 12:02 PM |
| 5 | What are the proofs that TRP is incorrect in its assumptions? {Quantitative data only, please}It's impossible to disprove that God exists. Here's something that explains this in more detail: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 11:51 AM |
| 1 | What are the proofs that TRP is incorrect in its assumptions? {Quantitative data only, please}You've got to consider that personal anecdotes of angry bloggers aren't sound empirical data | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 11:37 AM |
| 1 | What are the proofs that TRP is incorrect in its assumptions? {Quantitative data only, please}That okc study gets misinterpreted so much it’s ridiculous. They had to delete it from their blog because it was being constantly misinterpreted, but for those conspiracy theorists at TRP this was only proof that they want to hide the truth. It's not only ridiculous, it's hilarious. I even had a terper challenge me with the link to it but they didn’t actually read what they linked me to. The best way to debunk TRPers is always to read the sources they rely on, because not a single one has ever b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 11:24 AM |
| 3 | What are the proofs that TRP is incorrect in its assumptions? {Quantitative data only, please}The amount of messages an average guy receives is like half of Chad, but the amount of messages Stacey receives is much higher than the amount average ones get, but you can't only focus on message received, because men are expected to make the first move. What's more important are the reply rates. Attractive men do not receive as many responses to messages sent out than attractive women These message success rates for female senders show that the difference in replies between attractive and unat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 11:22 AM |
| 5 | What are the proofs that TRP is incorrect in its assumptions? {Quantitative data only, please}I'm curious what you do infer from ok cupid attraction gap. This is one of the most commonly wrongly interpreted studies that exists. The actual conclusions were the exact opposite of what TRP claims. This study dramatically illustrates just how much more important a woman’s looks are than a guy’s, (quoted from OkCupid) but TRP twisted it around until it fit their preconceived notions. It's the best proof that TRPers are inherently unscientific and basically exactly like creationists and other c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 10:30 AM |
| 2 | What are the proofs that TRP is incorrect in its assumptions? {Quantitative data only, please}You are asking the wrong question, because you should actually ask where's the proof that TRP is correct instead. But the truth is that TRP bases all their theories solely on their feelings. They feel that their personal anecdotes are empirical facts and they also feel that other personal anecdotes are objectively lies. They simply do not care about facts at all, because they assume that studies are merely liberal lies and that any angry blogger is more trustworthy. But if you take a look at the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 10:13 AM |
| 1 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?http://honeybadgerbrigade.com/2017/10/11/158273/ I'll have to check that out after work. Looks like a lot to read. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/18 09:24 AM |
| 1 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?Me neither, because I've been asking for years | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/18 08:53 PM |
| 3 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?I’m so tired of everyone trotting out any OKCupid studies as gospel The funniest thing is that not a single TRPer ever read the full study. They cherry-picked one sentence and ignored everything else, as usual. They read "women rate 80% as below average" and just assumed that this means that only the top 20% of men get laid, but in the very next sentence -which not a single TRPer has ever read- they point out that women still messaged and replied to men that they gave low ratings, unlike men who… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/18 01:06 PM |
| 4 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?I agree with bucking harmful gender norms, although I think that these are better described in a gender neutral way because there's a version of that for all genders. But Shepherd Bliss of the Mythopoetic Men's Movement coined the term "toxic masculinity" because he explicitly wanted to talk about harmful gender norms that effect men. Especially because this was in a time when radical second-wave feminism was around and he felt that men's problems weren't addressed. Do you think that men would f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/18 06:45 PM |
| 5 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?Can you think of some gender norms that push women to engage in harmful behavior? What is the female equivalent to "I don't have feelings cause feelings are gay" or the concept of man-cards? Truth is simply that men and women have different standards and expectations placed upon them. And women's gender role also isn't as strict and fragile; they can step outside their expectations without getting called (their equivalent of) faggots and pussies. Men are being expected and pushed to be stoic, ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/18 06:39 PM |
| 3 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?it is used precisely as accused and next to never as you claim it does. Then go on and post an feminist article that uses toxic masculinity in the way you claim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/18 05:43 PM |
| 3 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?Which neutral word would communicate the same thing just as well or even more clearly? The men of the Mythopoetic Men's Movement chose this term because it's succinct and clear. How can you get more clear than "toxic masculinity"? Masculinity refers to societal standards that men are expected to fulfill and the adjective toxic is used to refer to harmful standards. It's succinct and clear, even though TRPers - due to their abhorrent reading comprehension - think that it means that all men are to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/18 05:40 PM |
| 14 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?Fixing the semantic debate over this term is pretty simple. But the question still remains: why should feminists change a term that was invented by the Mythopoetic Men's Movement just because a few TeRPs and incels get triggered because they see the word toxic next to word masculinity? Most normal people understand how adjectives can be used | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/18 01:50 PM |
| 9 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?I'm not generalizing men. I'm generalizing a specific subset of special men that subscribe to an oversimplified world view. It's just like saying "the most common trait of /r/conspiracy users are paranoid delusions" or "the most common trait of religious people is that they believe in God". It's a generalization, but it's one that's based on observable facts of that specific subset of people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/18 12:06 PM |
| 17 | What are some of PPD's most striking failures to see nuance?Basically anything that TRPers say, because the most common trait of TRP is a complete disregard for any kind of nuance. AWALT Whenever we point out that TRPers absurd beliefs about women can be explained by the fact that AWALTy women are the ones that do not see TeRPy behavior as a red flag we get told that this can't be true because TRP works equally well on all women. TeRPers do not realize that AWALT isn't a literal truth. They literally believe that if a dating strategy worked with one woma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/18 07:44 AM |
| 2 | Weekly Community Chat Megathread (28 October 2018)Lol wat? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/18 03:07 PM |
| 3 | Is club dancing inherently sexual?There are clubs and there are meat market clubs. In a meat market the club the focus isn't on the music, but on the sexual atmosphere and grinding. In a club that focuses on good music you will get kicked out if you keep grinding on women even though they only want to dance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/18 10:28 AM |
| 1 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.And the part that i specifically disagreed with, where you say "it doesn't mean all women are like that" is part of the shit that isn't from that article. That's not what I've said though. You've got to consider that sentences continue after a "but". You can't just ignore the rest of a sentence simply because it would ruin your strawman argument. It doesn't mean that all women are like that, but that all women have this female nature and some merely hold back on their AWALTy behavior, but sooner… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/18 06:54 AM |
| 1 | TRPs, do you have factual evidence that supports your views on women, men, and dating?Just a reminder that 99.9% when TRPers claim that TRP is supported by empirical evidence they actually mean anecdotal evidence | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/18 12:15 AM |
| 3 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.your description of AWALT is a complete mischaracterization of what RPers understand AWALT to mean and why they use the term. It's literally copy-pasted from the sidebar | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 09:28 PM |
| 5 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.AWALT is the evidence. TRPers generally do not realize this, but the things you believe about women tell us something about which type of women you get into contact with. Plus there's lots of research into attachment types and such. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 07:32 PM |
| 2 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.RP uses AWALT to describe what they understand as female nature. It doesn't mean that all women are like that, but that all women have this female nature and some merely hold back on their AWALTy behavior, but sooner or later they will show that they actually are AWALT. AWALT presupposes that women are collectively governed by a set of underlying principles which drives their behaviour. Hypergamy, solipsism, Machiavellianism and immaturity are principles which make up the AWALT umbrella. Behavio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 07:22 PM |
| 3 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.I think that's the point /u/BiggerDthanYou is trying to make. Yeah. It's my "TRP is a self-reinforcing cycle" theory. It's based on the fact that AWALT actually describes women who are attracted to TRPy behavior, but not women in general. Here is it in more detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9svmcy/quality_men_arent_aloof_assholes/e8s0rn7 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 07:19 PM |
| 3 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.The more guys who think that m'ladying their way into a woman's pants is a successful strategy makes less competition for me. I have more success with women than any TeRP does, but I also do not think that the only two ways are M'lady or asshole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 06:16 PM |
| 3 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.Something is not a fact just because incels, bitter divorcees and angry bloggers repeat it all the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 05:58 PM |
| 3 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.Where's the straw? You've got to consider that just because you do not like facts that this doesn't make my argument bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 05:52 PM |
| 1 | "Disapproved Of" is not the same thing as "Not Allowed To"That's simply because TeRPers generally can't handle nuance at all. They prefer oversimplified RP theories like AWALT, because they are intolerant of any uncertainty or ambiguity. It's also the same reason why conservatives usually think that allowing gay marriage means that they will get forced to gay-marry or that allowing transgender people means that their kids will get forced to be trans. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 05:44 PM |
| 5 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.Yes it starts with "all", but you still have to explain how this proves that it's true for the majority of women just because a bunch of incels and angry bloggers believe that. The existence of an acronym doesn't prove that it's true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.This might surprise you, but just because it's called All Women Are Like That this doesn't make it a fact that's true for all women. AWALT isn't based on actual traits that are common in women, but merely on those women that do not see TRPers as red flags. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 04:44 PM |
| 7 | Why are women more likely to believe in star signs / psychics / paranormal?Or maybe that's just what THEY want you to believe /s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 04:21 PM |
| 3 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.It's not a contradiction just because TRPers can't get any better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 04:21 PM |
| 10 | Why are women more likely to believe in star signs / psychics / paranormal?Conspiracy theorists usually brush that away by pointing out that most of the people that are involved do not know what they are actually involved with. For example when the US built the first nuclear weapons in the Manhattan Project they managed to keep hundreds of thousands of people from blowing the lid, because each one of them worked on a small piece without knowing what larger project they were actually working on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 03:37 PM |
| 10 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.your theory that it only works on low self-esteem, insecure, socially retarded women is also completely incorrect. It's well studied and has more empirical support than any TRP fantasy. That's just basic attachment style theory. TRP encourages men to act like they have a dismissive-avoidant attachment style and AWALT perfectly describes women with an anxious-preoccupied attachment style, but not women in general. And to no surprise those two are attracted to each other. https://www.psychologytod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 08:32 AM |
| 0 | Q4Men: What would you do if you asked out a woman and she said to you: "I think we should be friends first" ?Real life doesn't work like a math test so I'd say: it depends. There's simply no one-size-fits-all solution, because different scenarios can be solved with different solutions. It could be A, B or C, but without further information it's impossible to say which one I would choose. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 08:18 AM |
| 1 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.Daily reminder that AWALT is not a description of women in general, but simply a description of women that are attracted to TeRP behavior. AWALT actually describes a minority of women Dark Triad people are attractive to other DT people TRP encourages men to act like narcissists with a dismissive-avoidant attachment style which attracts women with an anxious-preoccupied attachment style tl;dr: Women aren't illogical, childlike, drama-loving manipulators, but women that do not see TeRPy behavior a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 07:46 AM |
| 10 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.Women do want the aloof guy that doesnt care. That's not "women". That's "insecure women with a anxious-preoccupied attachment style". And that's also why TRP is a self-reinforcing cycle. AWALT doesn't describe women in general, it simply describes the kind of women that doesn't see TeRPy behavior as a red flag. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 07:32 AM |
| 2 | Quality men aren't aloof assholes.You've got to consider one little thing: TRPers do not care about facts at all and they desperately need a oversimplified fantasy they can believe in. Due to their rigid cognitive style, intolerance of ambiguity, fear of uncertainty and the fact the they can't handle nuance at all they struggle a lot with the real world, but such fantasies help them to navigate it. Before finding TRP they already had one oversimplified fantasy: women are perfect angels that would never lie and just pretending to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/18 07:26 AM |
| 2 | An Interesting Thought Experiment.this is made up LGBT pseudoscience. there are some legit medical disorders that i discussed above, but the idea that all these trannys have gender dysphoria because they have a "male brain" in a female body or vice versa is complete bullshit. And once again: You might not think that you believe in the Bible, but this is only bullshit if you think that the Bible is the literal truth and that science is all just a satanic lie. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/18 09:12 PM |
| 1 | An Interesting Thought Experiment.there's nothing more unnatural and degenerate than a man (meaning born with XY genotype) who starts LARPing as a caricature of a woman, starts getting hormone injections, and then has his dick chopped off and replaced with a wound that is permanently forced open with dilation tools so he can pretend he has a vagina. that's just mental illness. Why is it unnatural? The only possible reason you could give is: but the Bible says that God created Adam and Eve But the thing is that reality is more co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/18 07:24 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Women lie about the reason they don't like "nice guys".https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9jolri/do_women_prefer_toxic_men_a_compilation_of/e6x39t4 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/18 03:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women lie about the reason they don't like "nice guys".Women like aggressive men, the opposite of a nice guy. That's just something TeRPs tell themselves so that they can be assholes without feeling guilty about it, but this wouldn't work unless they also lowered their expectations on women by believing in AWALT. Daily reminder: AWALT isn't a truth about female nature; in fact it actually describes a minority of women. It's simply the type of women that doesn't see RP behavior as a red flag and the only type of women that TRPers come into actual con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/18 03:39 PM |
| 1 | why do terpers act like trp is so scientific when it is all based on heuristics, anecdotes, and debunked/non-replicated studies?Take some time to read them, because it doesn't look well on you to refuse. You're here on a debate sub specifically talking about sex and seduction. Can you seriously read those without getting brain cancer? You were given a plethora of material to look at, and you went for the first example, which was about politics - not seduction - and you're using that as an excuse to not look at the examples you asked for. That first example already highlighted that this person is not to be trusted and a q… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/18 02:23 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Judgement from a woman's social circle is a bigger factor in dating an ugly guy than looksGuys are the same. It's basically a trope by now that the fewer friends a guy has with him in the club the more likely he is to pick up a chubby chick. If everyone is watching he only likes skinny chicks, but if no one is around to judge him he can go for the PAWGs he secretly craves. Sometimes I fucked chicks I wasn't even interested in simply because I knew that it would give me higher status among other men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/18 11:31 AM |
| 2 | An Interesting Thought Experiment.Why is progress degeneracy? Why should transgender people be forced to live according to their birth sex simply because that's what the Bible prescribes? Guess what reality is more complex than the story of the Garden of Eden and LGBT people aren't unnatural just because they aren't in line with God's plan. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/18 09:56 AM |
| 1 | why do terpers act like trp is so scientific when it is all based on heuristics, anecdotes, and debunked/non-replicated studies?I guarantee you they aren't any better, because so far I've never seen any RP source that accurately described the findings of a study. RP theories, just like any other conspiracy theories, are always based on gross misinterpretations, unsupported assumptions and extreme black and white thinking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/18 07:37 AM |
| 1 | An Interesting Thought Experiment.Oh I didn't knew that people can marry horses now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/18 07:28 AM |
| 3 | why do terpers act like trp is so scientific when it is all based on heuristics, anecdotes, and debunked/non-replicated studies?As usual he's taking small differences and overgeneralizes based on them or comes to unsupported conclusions. The NPC Leftoid Hivemind Is Real https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/10/23/science-the-npc-leftoid-hivemind-is-real/ The findings were: The present findings show that, despite their greater demographic diversity, contemporary American liberals show more inter-issue ideological consistency than their conservative counterparts which he used to come to the following conclusions: more confo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/18 11:30 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: JLongbone watches "American Male" - why do (some) people cling onto things that don't make any goddamn sense?!What types of hallucinogens have script-writers of this film taken to make leap of faith from "beef, not chicken" to homophobia and violence? I'm not asking what's the connection between "beef, not chicken" and homophobia+violence (there's definitely none; I'm having hard times even imagining "LOL FAGGOTS" being spray-painted over KFC); I'm asking what kind of mental process allowed creators of this film to include it into the script. You are focusing too much on those individual things instead … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/18 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Those with negative views of MGTOW have come to their judgment based on a straw man of MGTOW beliefs.I'm saying that judging an entire group based on the sub designed to appeal to the worst part of that group is not intellectually honest. But couldn't one also say that it's the largest part of that group? It's like judging all trump supporters based on the post of /thedonald. No. It would be like judging all TheDonald users by /r/the_Donald instead of /r/the_Donald2 Or judging all whites based on the post of those in the KKK. It would be like judging KKK members based on the KKK instead of the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 06:52 PM |
| 2 | Those with negative views of MGTOW have come to their judgment based on a straw man of MGTOW beliefs.So /r/mgtow2 with 3000 members is the real MGTOW, but /r/mgtow with a much larger userbase is just a strawman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 06:36 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: JLongbone watches "American Male" - why do (some) people cling onto things that don't make any goddamn sense?!Marching songs are the exception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 06:34 PM |
| 2 | Those with negative views of MGTOW have come to their judgment based on a straw man of MGTOW beliefs.Is this one of these "but we don't hate women. We only state the truth that they are all retarded, illogical, manipulative, childlike harpies" posts? The thing is that MGTOW is filled with bitterness and misogyny even though MGTOWs believe that it is the undeniable truth. Racists and sexists rarely ever believe that they are bigoted, simply because they actually believe that their stereotypes are facts. Let's take a look at /r/MGTOW to highlight what it is actually about and why they go their ow… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 06:26 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: JLongbone watches "American Male" - why do (some) people cling onto things that don't make any goddamn sense?!No; but if "toxic masculinity" as depicted in the film was a broad problem, and if at least one in thousand of those who calls art gay goes online to post it, we would expect more than 73 Google results. Not necessarily. They might do it on their Facebook page, unknown Twitter account or everywhere else where it doesn't get indexed by Google. Plus they might also use slightly different phrasing. Yes; women. And women are part of society so they are also responsible for toxic masculinity. Yes; wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: JLongbone watches "American Male" - why do (some) people cling onto things that don't make any goddamn sense?!So, thanks for illustration I guess, but I was hoping for an answer. What made you write a comment with such observable, severe lack of basic mental discipline that it gets disproven with nothing but a one-minute bit of Google? How does this disprove anything? Do you think that everyone who calls art gay also goes online to post it? And have you seriously never heard people call poetry gay? Or Michael Jackson? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 04:35 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: JLongbone watches "American Male" - why do (some) people cling onto things that don't make any goddamn sense?!I haven't watched it so far, but why would a woman be a good judge for the standards and expectations that men have to fulfill? She doesn't experience the same kind of shaming as a man does, so it's obvious that she might not fully understand it. For example she is not an artsy guy so she hasn't had to endure all the "lol art is for faggots", "look at that artfag", etc shaming with which traditional society tries to steer men away from such a "feminine" pursuit and in the direction of something … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Q4W: Why do you think toxic masculinity is a thing, but toxic femininity isn't a thing?I've asked feminists numerous times to present me with what feminism deems positive masculinity in academic meaning (seeing toxic masculinity is academic). Not a single feminist has do so. Not even /u/BiggerDthanyou has been able to present any thing. Stop lying. I've presented it a million times. The fact that you do not remember it five minutes later doesn't mean that I've never did so. And he rails hard on how everyone has toxic masculinity wrong. Yet somehow positive masculinity isn't even a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 02:55 PM |
| 3 | Will most bluepillers always keep rejecting hard scientific evidence?They may disagree on game, but otherwise it's the same philosophy, just a little bit more extreme: AWALT, women are mentally like children, men rule/girls drool, women want to get abused by alpha men, etc | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 02:03 PM |
| 2 | Will most bluepillers always keep rejecting hard scientific evidence?From an atheist perspective there's not much difference between Catholics and Mormons either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 01:03 PM |
| 3 | Will most bluepillers always keep rejecting hard scientific evidence?black = a really dark shade of red | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 12:50 PM |
| 35 | Will most bluepillers always keep rejecting hard scientific evidence?The following is constantly denied by bluepilled posters on this subreddit. No TBPer has ever denied that looks matter. "looks aren't everything" isn't the same as "looks do not matter at all" "personality matters more" is not the same as "looks do not matter at all" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 12:03 PM |
| 7 | Q4W: Why do you think toxic masculinity is a thing, but toxic femininity isn't a thing?Because anything that could be considered toxic femininity is typically blamed on society as a whole whereas toxic masculinity is widely portrayed as being held up by men. Every article about toxic masculinity blames society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 07:49 AM |
| 2 | Q4W: Why do you think toxic masculinity is a thing, but toxic femininity isn't a thing?/u/SpaceWhiskey is using the same definition, but she used different phrasing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 07:45 AM |
| 2 | Q4W: Why do you think toxic masculinity is a thing, but toxic femininity isn't a thing?The main problem I have with the toxic masculinity narrative is that it is blamed entirely on men and Patriarchy, and that women have zero role in shaming men for varying out of traditional gender roles. How is it entirely blamed on men? The blame falls on society, and women are also part of society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 07:40 AM |
| 3 | Q4W: Why do you think toxic masculinity is a thing, but toxic femininity isn't a thing?"Often associated with" as in "mistakenly associated with." But that's kind of the point. Society associates violence with men. If a guy isn't violent he's seen as unmasculine, but if a woman is violent she's seen as manly. Violence is part of masculinity because society associates it with men, but it's also toxic masculinity because this association is harmful to men and their environment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/18 07:36 AM |
| 5 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanBecause no TRP man would be surprised by a woman who acts that way. He would expect it. That's my point. You reap what you sow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 06:34 PM |
| 5 | Q4All: Do You Consider Yourself Fun to Be Around?What do y’all do with your friends? Last weekend we played paintball, but usually we spend most of the time pre-drinking and partying, or hungover. Public drinking is allowed here so we sometimes just go to a park or lake to hang out and do whatever comes to our mind. Maybe a ball game, maybe some music, maybe some amateur parcouring, maybe we just take some pills and swing on a swing, maybe some skateboarding, maybe we simply sit around and talk, etc Video games, poker, board games and movies c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 06:03 PM |
| 2 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?That's the "transphobic" part, but the "sexist" part also applies to them in regards to men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 05:11 PM |
| 4 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?Do you hate sexist women too? Just a few minutes ago and a few comments next to this one I brought up TERFs as an example of sexist women | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 04:49 PM |
| 2 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?Comments like these are a rare sight in these corners of the internet. Congrats | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 04:25 PM |
| 7 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanThat’s just a revenge fantasy of yours, based on the Just-World Fallacy. How is it a revenge fantasy? TRPers complain that women are AWALT and mention those traits as being inescapable female nature. I'm merely pointing out the fact that their dating advice works best on exactly those AWALTy women. It would be a revenge fantasy if I would be making stuff up, but I'm merely pointing out which selection bias makes them believe that these outlier women are normal. This is great advice for a man loo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 04:21 PM |
| 5 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?Which has nothing to do with them being men, but with them promoting sexist ideas. Their gender is irrelevant, it's their behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 04:15 PM |
| 3 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?"whores" isn't a good analogy. Any woman can get labeled as a "whore" and it's also often used to attack women as a whole. It's not a special subset, because it can be used to apply to all of them whereas TeRP on the other hand is a label that applies to a very specific subset of men. A better analogy would be something like "trans-exclusive radfems are sexist and transphobic" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 04:13 PM |
| 2 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?Lol why would I be a misandrist for calling TRPers retarded? That's not an attack on men as a whole, that's just an attack on a subset of special men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 03:46 PM |
| 3 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?When have I ever said something that's analogous? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 02:07 PM |
| 7 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?You have been on here so long, you are even a mod, and yet you have no clue about what the other side believes. You are far too intelligent and experienced to use ignorance as an excuse. Read the sidebar. According to "Women: the oldest teenager in the house" women mature faster than men, because the more noble and perfect something is the slower it matures. And it's not the only one that makes it clear that women are naturally inferior to men, or why else would the sidebar, mods and ECs often s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 01:23 PM |
| 14 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanWell I wouldn't consider their BP ways to be the only alternative. You don't have to choose between being a dismissive-avoidant narcissists or being a subservient cuck without any backbone. There is more possibilities than just those two extremes. Women do not have to be thrown in the basement in order to take them off the pedestal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 12:57 PM |
| 4 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanYou apply this to every single thing they claim. Yes I apply critical thinking skills to anything they claim instead of blindly believing any angry blogger. It's not my problem that TRPers do not care about scientific evidence and instead rely on bitterness and hurt feelings instead. The burden of proof is on you. "The burdon of proof is on you to prove that flat earthers are wrong". No, flat earthers have to provide proof that they are right. Similarly TRPers have to prove that they are right. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 12:00 PM |
| 4 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanThey've got plenty of studies that serve to corroborate their findings. Only if you squint and ignore the actual findings in favor of your preconceived notions. They can't even accurately describe the findings of the OkCupid study, because they ignore anything that doesn't fit their world view. They can only take a look and conclude that it supports their theories, but they can't read and understand what the actual findings are. The best way to debunk RP theories that are apparently based on stu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 11:37 AM |
| 7 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanWhere's your scientific evidence that red pillers are undeniably wrong akin to flat earthers? Where's the scientific proof that they are right? All they've got to offer is their feelings, personal anecdotes, bitterness and black and white thinking. AWALT is based on outliers, but TRPers assume that this is female nature simply because they can't attract any other women. And even though they constantly complain about feminism they can't even accurately describe what toxic masculinity even means. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 10:47 AM |
| 6 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanYou can't. A bluepiller is always either a massive liar(to himself or others) or straight up delusional. Someone who is laughing at flat earthers is always either a massive liar that wants to hide the truth or they are straight up delusional for not believing that the Bible is the absolute truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 10:11 AM |
| 10 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanBut men that do it are logical, rational and smart. If more men do it this only shows that men are smarter and more logical. Women that do the same are emotional, illoyal and childlike. If a few women do it this shows that AWALT. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 10:08 AM |
| 60 | Question for bluepill: How to find a Non Hypergamous womanBe less RP. TRP is engineered for quantity, but not for quality. AWALT isn't actually a description of women, it's just a description of women who are most susceptible to TRP behavior. TRPers try to act like narcissists with a dismissive-avoidant attachment style, but then are surprised that all women that want to be with them are illogical, illoyal, manipulative, non-self-aware, drama-prone children that branch swing at any given possibility. Yeah you reap what you sow. If you want to attract s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 07:50 AM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP should re-brand itself to focus on finding women who Aren't Like That.As a non RP man, my understanding is that AWALT means all women have the potential to do X. That's simply the Motte. Whenever TRP get criticized they use this definition to shield it from criticism, but as soon as no one is looking they are back at their Bailey "AWALT is female nature and unicorns do not exist". The "it's just a heuristic"-defense is intellectually dishonest, because according to ECs, mods and the sidebar AWALT is female nature. https://illimitablemen.com/2015/12/16/the-awalt-mi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 06:50 AM |
| 31 | The reason why most women and blue pill men hate TRPThis mindset is why we hate TRP. You guys think you have all the answers, yet everything you guys claim is based on utter ignorance. People that argue with flat earthers aren't secretly scared that the truth is coming out. People that laugh at Bigfoot enthusiasts aren't secretly worried that Bigfoot is going to abduct them. People that despise creationism aren't Satanists that want to bury the truth. Its simple. People that hate TRP simply do not believe that TRPs oversimplified and bitter world… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/18 06:30 PM |
| 3 | Is there no way to tell blue pill men they're not being masculine that is PC?Why would these men care that you think they're pussies? Why would you care to "guide them back on path"? Why would insulting them make them want to listen to you? Don't you know? Only real alphas conform to societal standards out of fear that they are getting shamed by others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/18 12:09 PM |
| 3 | Is there no way to tell blue pill men they're not being masculine that is PC?Whenever I see feminists or biggerD attack masculinity it's always framed as a boogeyman that has to be dismantled entirely. How do you even manage to come up with such absurd strawman arguments? Seriously at least try to understand my comments and posts before talking about them. It's seriously hilarious that you would accuse me of wanting to dismantle masculinity entirely considering that I'm always explaining that "toxic masculinity" is not an attack on masculinity as a whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/18 12:01 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: Do you really all aspire to look like this?Remember: if a guy claims that he's not attracted to her or her it's only because he's too unattractive to get such a girl | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/18 11:13 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What's the lowest value Male you believe TRP can help get casual sex?What about casual sex with ex partners, friends, acquaintances and good fuck buddies? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 11:11 PM |
| 5 | What is an Omega Male?Your definition sounds more like what's typically called a sigma male, but not an omega male. Alpha males are natural leaders. Tall, strong, confident, etc. Beta males are followers. Shy, subservient, reserved, etc Sigma males are confidently being themselves, even though society considers them to be weird. They do not fit in the regular mainstream pattern, but they are the top dogs in their niche but seen as losers outside of their niche. Omega males are on the very bottom of the barrel. Ugly, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/18 07:00 PM |
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