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Labelling everything as transactional when I know that's usually the case is just efficient. And labelling everything as ''transactional'' is exactly the same as labelling everything as ''natural'', even so we know full well what the implied distinctions between the terms ''natural'' and ''unnatural'' are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:31 PM
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There are still psychedelics. Firstly, these aren't necessarily healthy. Secondly, unless everyone else is taking these substances when you do, then you come across as a really annoying, sad and creepy loser - so it's potentially counterproductive. Most of the guys I know who take these substances at parties just end up humiliating themselves and making themselves a laughingstock for eternity amongst the people who witnessed them. What's the point in trying a potentially addictive substance in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:26 PM
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My point is that using a reductionist understanding of terms and concepts just drags us down into unarguable and undebatable nihilism. How can you argue in favour of determinism while also arguing in favour of a chaotic world? These are opposing positions. Determinism can only really be understood after the events have occurred. The present and near-future are beyond chaotic and beyond our control, even so there's only one way which they are going to turn out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:23 PM
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I think your personality changes naturally with experience and maturity. But by then it's largely too late, in terms of physical peak. Life's just one big troll job!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:16 PM
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Dumping plastic waste into the oceans, artificial breeding/eugenics, burning fossil fuels and emitting greenhouse gasses are all ''natural''. Everything is deterministic because even probabilistic physical reactions can only end up happening one way. Ghosts can't be supernatural, because if they existed then they must, by definition, be natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:12 PM
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From my experience, you gradually lose a lot of inhibition and a lot of introvert traits as you grow older. I think this is a naturally process as you gain life experience, make your own way in the world, and place less importance on peer acceptance. I basically developed more of an ''IDGAF'' attitude. This, however, would have been absolute impossible for me to achieve in my more introverted teenage and early twenty years.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 12:06 PM
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Therefore these feelings are the currency of human transaction. If someone makes you feel good, you'll hang around with them, and if they hang around with you it's because you make them feel good too. But I think this kind of definition is not really valid, as obviously every kind of social interaction, by definition, would technically fall into ''transactional''. It's like the argument about something being natural or unnatural. Or the argument supporting determinism over probabilism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:50 AM
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Feelings are results of circumstances you can evaluate. I disagree. Or, at least, I disagree with the belief that every single action and behaviour can be interpreted as the result of some unproven ''tabula rasa'' psyche. Everyone has thousands upon thousands of random physical and psychological traits, and we are the sum of those parts. The traits we possess are beneficial, neutral, or negative, and can easily change upon micro and macro environmental changes. You don't even have to believe in …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:39 AM
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If you think TRPers are bad at pedestalising men, you should have a look at MGTOWers! According to them, every man is this noble, logical, stand-up member of society, who will respond to a military call-up in a second's notice, while working 16-hours a day in their gruelling and dangerous profession which has a 95% fatality rate. All the while, entitled and uppity females are spending hours posting narcissistic selfies, and curling their lips in disgust when they interact with any man who is les…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:26 AM
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Nothing really. The day women received was full legal equality was the day that women's rights ended. Anything else is just arguing about issues which aren't equality based (such as abortion, workplace maternity rights, etc.), or perfectly legal social attitudes and behaviours which some people may disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:14 AM
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The 1000-tonne elephant in the room is that, in most cases, formative nurture > nature. Some people may be genetically predisposed to introversion or extroversion, but the reality is that you've most likely become extro or intro due to your childhood environment and experiences. By the time that you're a young adult, these experiences - coupled with any genetic predisposition - are too ingrained in within you to make any serious, congruent changes to your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:10 AM
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Nah. This ''transactional'' stuff is just pure TRP mental masturbation. People do things which makes them feel good, and avoid things which make them feel bad. Life is unstructured chaos, and trying to formalise and codify this chaos is a futile effort, as it doesnt work that way. This is why evo-psych is gibberish.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:06 AM
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What question?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 03:00 AM
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Is that the green-eyed monster rearing its ugly head?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:59 AM
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So, what were the question marks that made Clinton unelectable to you? And why were they worse than a candidate who publicly stated that climate change was a Chinese hoax, vaccines caused autism, there should be a ban on people of a certain religion entering the country, he'd carry out extra-judiciary proceedings against his main political rival, he ''grabs women by the pussy'', +103 other results.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:57 AM
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I think that you just answered your own question. Think about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:50 AM
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It's always seemed to strange to me how society has moved on from cultural and religious traditions, yet the concepts of monogamy and marriage/life-partners are still considered unquestionable and sacrosanct. It's blatantly obvious that men and women aren't biologically cut out for sexual exclusivity, and that monogamy isn't really needed in this era of luxury and abundance in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:48 AM
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Seriously, we didn't vote for trump, we voted AGAINST HILLARY To be fair, though, this line of thinking is what reaffirmed the stereotype of Americans being dumb. So, Clinton had a few question marks over her which made you reluctant to vote for her. Whereas, Trump had practically a two-volume book of reasons not to vote for him. Yet, you claim that 100 negatives and 0 positives from one candidate are better than 100 positives and 10 negatives from the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:38 AM
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Being a socially, politically and philosophically superior country to your own (which I'm assuming is the USA - although, forgive me if it's Canada).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:31 AM
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Meanwhile in the horrible horrible Midwest, I can't go a day without having a conversation with complete strangers.. Awkward small-talk between reactionaries who overwhelmingly voted for a clown like Trump isn't something to brag about, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:24 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:22 AM
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Why the fuck would a non-autistic man approach a random female stranger on the street, in the first place? I mean, seriously, just think about the mentality and the actual sperginess behind this event taking place.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:21 AM
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A man approaching a random woman on the street - purely with the motivation of having sex with her - is clearly sexually harassing her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:11 AM
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I am a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:09 AM
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i dont admire your country or find it superior in anyway Yeah, righto.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:08 AM
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The main thing I noticed was that drinking seemed to be the national sport. Yeah, when you get retarded Americans - with those ridiculous fake porcelain teeth - accosting you, and talking loudly in those ridiculous accents about how they're ''totally Scottish - sorry ''Scaarddish'', because they had some loser as their grandfather whose surname had the ''Mc'' prefix, then it's enough to make even the most long-suffering Londoner hit a few ales.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 02:05 AM
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A man approaching a random woman on the street - purely with the motivation of having sex with her - is clearly sexually harassing her. There's no two ways about this. Thankfully, laws in various countries and jurisdictions around the world are entering the 21st-century, and rapidly looking to make this behaviour as criminal as any other kind of harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 01:58 AM
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who are freaked out by aggressive warmth, openness and exuberance Who would have thought that normal people going about their business and not wanting to be bothered by weird, tacky American tourists would be ''freaked out'' by obnoxious Americans talking loudly about stupid, inconsequential shit to them in those retarded, USA accents?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 01:47 AM
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More the inner thighs, as it tends to be thicker and more ''pube-like'', which isn't so attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 01:40 AM
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Jesus. You're actually being serious, aren't you? No offence, but I hope that one day you harass the wrong girl, and her 6'5'' MMA boyfriend beats you to a pulp. Maybe then, as you sip your NHS lunch through your straw, will it finally dawn on you that sexually harassing and intimidating random women on the street is obnoxious, autistic, and creepy behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 01:40 AM
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Unfortunately, fat is the new normal, and normal is new the skinny. Collarbones are quite a good indicator of fatness when so many fat women post those MySpace angles which don't show their gross bodies. If a woman has a close-up photo of her head and upper body with a low-cut top, but her collarbones have no definition, then it's probably a good time to abandon ship!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 01:31 AM
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I don't know a lot about US cities, so you'll have to expand on your comment if you want to continue this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 01:12 AM
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Why? The only reason you would do this is if you'd failed at making friends amongst your family's social circle, your schoolmates, and your workmates. If you've failed to make and maintain any meaningful friendships and relationships after all of these opportunities, then you should probably take a long, hard look at yourself, before you start sexually harassing random strangers on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 01:06 AM
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You're talking about London, which - along with Paris - is the most famous, iconic, cosmopolitan and celebrated city in the world. This has absolutely nothing to do with the 95%+ of 64 million British people who don't live in and around Central London. That would be like me assuming that France is full of East Asian tourists asking me to take a group photo of them, because that's what I've encountered in Paris.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 01:02 AM
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Let's see: You attend school between the ages of 5-16, go on to further education when you're 17-18, and maybe go to University between the ages of 18-23, if you did well in your exams at school. Of course, during that time, you would likely have got a job when you turned 16. Why would you ''approach strangers'' unless you're a friendless creep with an autistic lack of social nous?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 12:44 AM
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Please, never come to the UK. People here - surprisingly enough - don't want to be accosted or sexually harassed by random, creepy autists when we're just going about our day, minding our own business. If your OP manifested into a real person, then I would have absolutely no qualms about beating the living shit out of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 12:34 AM
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Blonde facial hair on white skin is often hard to see, even if it's some stubble of reasonable length.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 12:19 AM
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It's kind of weird. Girls with strong, ''alpha'' dads seem to want to date guys who replicate his qualities. Whereas, girls with absent or ''beta'' fathers seems to want to date guys who fill in as a manly substitute for their dad. Of course, this equally applies to guys with mummy issues. Men with doting and emotionally supportive mothers tend to grow into the ''nice guys'' who want a girlfriend to act as an exact copy of their mother towards them. But guys who have bad relationships with their…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 11:56 PM
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Most women have some kind of facial hair growth, especially on their philtrum and ''sideburns''. This is mostly vellus hair, which is hard to see under most lighting conditions. Some women are unfortunate enough that they genetically sprout darker, thicker facial hairs, which they have to dye and wax on a regular basis. I don't find this sexually off-putting in a woman, and I certainly don't find similar hair growth on a woman's legs or arms to be off-putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 11:40 PM
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Prominent collarbones indicate low body-fat, which is attractive (so long as they're not too prominent, which could suggest being unattractively skinny.) Men and women use clothes to make their bodies look more stereotypically attractive, so a ''thigh gap'' is particularly stupid, as there aren't that many socially acceptable occasions where you can wear clothes which showcase this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 11:19 PM
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Yeah, TRP can be a useful resource for identifying problems in your social, sexual or romantic life. Unfortunately, for one reason or another, they feel that they have to offer some deluded alternative to the problems which a lot of young men encounter. I don't understand why addressing and resolving the problem isn't the solution, in itself. There's no need to create some crazy ''solution'' based on pseudo-science, logical fallacies, and fee-fees, which TRP does.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 11:13 PM
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But what if you pulled a Kylie Jenner doppelganger, and when you started to undress you saw that she didn't have a ''thigh gap''? Would that even have an impact on your horniness level at that stage? What I'm saying is that a ''thigh gap'' - or lack of one - ultimately has zero relevance to the sexual attraction of a woman when you're naked and about to fuck her. Male sexuality doesn't ultimately care about these minor traits or preferences, so long as the woman falls within the parameters of ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 10:58 PM
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but he personally hates his body hair. I hate my body hair, too. it's very long and wispy, so I just trim it everywhere other than my legs, hands and arms. I think leg hair in a woman is ok, so long as it's largely vellus hair, like a lot of women let grow on their arms.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 10:44 PM
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The way I see it is that a ''thigh gap'' is sexually stimulating and aesthetically pleasing, but no more or less so than a woman with a hot body who doesn't have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 10:35 PM
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For what it's worth, he says he doesn't mind hair if it's neatly trimmed, but thinks having a "bush" is just gross. I think that it goes without saying that any hair - whether it's on your head, face, or body - looks best when it's groomed and trimmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 10:18 PM
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Social acceptance - and fear of social humiliation and ostracisation - is probably the biggest innate urge in humans, after survival. It's even greater than the urge to have sex. You simply can't underplay the importance of social acceptance/avoiding social shame in the majority of people's actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 10:14 PM
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It is one of these things where it's the women feeling insecure about it and feeling some kind of social pressure to conform to this standard, not really the guys pushing for it. It's a bit like the ''thigh gap'' that so many girls and young women seem to be obsessed over. I can't imagine there are any heterosexual men who remotely give a toss whether a woman has a gap at the top of her thighs or not. The ''thigh gap'' has no impact on sexual attraction, other than the coincidental correlation o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 09:50 PM
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I have to admit that I prefer it hairless around the actual vulva and thighs, but hair on the pubic mound > shaved. No hair down below is a bit of a turn-off, to be quite honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 09:42 PM
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1 = Daddy issues. 2 = Quarter-life crisis. 3 = Peer pressure/desperate for social validation. 4 = Teh tingles. 5 = Exhausted, depressed and waving the white flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 07:08 PM
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The way I see it is that TRP is in two distinct parts. The first part is good: it encourages you to lose the mainstream, ''Blue Pill'' traits and beliefs which are holding you back. eg. NiceGuyism, being a doormat, pedestalising women, being deferential, having easily pliable boundaries, constantly seeking validation and approval, etc. The second part is where it fails abysmally: creating ridiculous and autistic behaviours to replace those which you've correctly left behind. The logical fallacie…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/16 07:03 PM
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Here in the bible belt its a thing. You have my sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 12:44 AM
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It's a shame because the actual base idea of focusing your life on shit other than dating and sex is a good one I support. Absolutely. Having a healthy life with fulfilling hobbies and objectives is great. However, if a man is driven towards these hobbies and objectives because they're butthurt about women, then they are a bona fide loser with no control over their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 12:24 AM
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Said it before and I'll say it again: someone in the MGTOW scene needs to make a post-anger MGTOW board where they can talk about actually going their own way. Discussions regarding their "missions" like businesses, careers, hobbies, whatever. An actual focus on the going your own way bit. The harsh reality, unfortunately, is that the MGTOW objective is always a kneejerk reaction to sexual failure and/or making a terrible choice in a female partner. Just think about the whole premise of MGTOW: I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 12:10 AM
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trans women are slapped with tickets for prostitution when they're just walking down the street. uwotm8? Please tell me you're not talking about the self-styled ''land of the free''? I swear that the USA has some kind of 200-year time lapse in their laws, social attitudes, and beliefs. It's not the 18th-century any more, guys; that ship sailed, er, over 200 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 11:53 PM
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MRS degree Well, I had to google that. That would be very difficult to do in the UK. Here, you generally need to excel - or, at least, be proficient - at a variety of subjects at school, to be considered for university admission.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 11:19 PM
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No, she'll just come across as fake to anyone who knows her social class and background.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 11:11 PM
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Don't worry about it dude, as it's more than likely that I misinterpreted your OP. It just seems to me that a middle-class woman pretending to be ignorant is going to be obviously fake, as society generally expects her to be intelligent and well-educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 11:08 PM
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There's a strong class aspect to this. Middle-class women (just like middle-class men) are expected to be intelligent, well-educated, and well-informed, as their default position. A university-educated woman from a decent background just isn't going to cut it if she affects the cutesy and ditzy persona.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 10:48 PM
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Also just to clarify when I talk about MGTOW here I'm definitely not talking about the subreddit r/mgtow because that, like r/TRP shouldn't be the standard bearer for what it's supposed to mean in an overall sense. Like it or not, r/mgtow is (I think) the largest MGTOW community on the internet, and is the ''public face'' of the movement, for a curious outsider looking in. I've even read other MGTOW forums and blogs, and positive, non-misogynistic MGTOW just simply doesn't exist. It's always emo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 10:18 PM
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MGTOWs will generally be judged by outsiders from the posts on the r/mgtow subreddit. Unfortunately, most contributors on that sub come across as emotional wrecks who are only making things worse by wallowing in a woman-hating echo chamber. It may be beneficial to some men to ''take a hiatus from women'', but we shouldn't ever hear from those men if they truly do Go Their Own Way, The MGTOW communities will always be filled with emotion-driven losers who are angry that they are sexual failures, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 09:56 PM
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Your teens and early 20s are so ephemeral, that success is ultimately wasted, as you blink and you miss them. Say you were sexually successful in your teenage years. What use is that when you get older and become a more well-rounded human being? What are you going to do? Just wank off to memories of your past sexual glories?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 09:45 PM
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It's all relative to age. When you're a child, all adults seem old. When you're 20, 35 seems a million miles away. Even in your 30s, 60-year-old+ seems really old.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 09:35 PM
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I assume you mean guys in their mid-to-late 30s dating girls in their early 20s, as a 32-year-old dating a 28-year-old, for example, is hardly unusual. It's actually pretty rare, and young women who are attracted to older men are usually weird or defective in some way, and - not to put too fine a point on it - are hardly ever above a 5/10 in the looks department. Guys in their mid-30s are already noticeably losing their looks, and these guys are generally considered to be absolutely ancient to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 09:30 PM
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And wouldn't this include many altrighters and red pillers who yearn for a return to tradition? i don't entirely understand what you're saying here. Its tone deaf 40 year old altrighters ranting about safe spaces who seriously don't get it... especially since the safe space is part of a teenager's schooling and doesn't affect 40 year olds. I think they're just angry because they think it demonstrates that the younger generation is ''soft'' (an accusation which older generations always use agains…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 05:06 PM
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Many of them are on the autism spectrum, I think this answers your own question. While I have some sympathy with autistic people, as it's not entirely their fault, we can't just brush over the fact that not following social cues and social norms is super creepy and disconcerting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 04:51 PM
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I think you're reading too much into this. Older generations are always grouchy about teenagers and their ''new fangled'' beliefs. Although I do find it strange that people don't see the more extreme Tumblr ''SJW'' beliefs for what they are: teenage angst, which they'll grow out of soon enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 04:46 PM
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Why would you hate women? Men and women can't help what they are sexually attracted to. I agree that the average woman's sexuality is somewhat obnoxious, but it's not like they have control over it. Outside of sex and relationships, I'd actually say that the average woman is more pleasant than the average man. Let's be honest here: most men are pricks, with their constant jockeying for social position, and their deluded egos which you have to walk on egg-shells around, in case they perceive some…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 09:10 AM
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Americans are weird with their religious fundamentalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 08:58 AM
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Women definitely love ''jerk'' qualities in a man. The problem is that throwing your weight around and exerting and displaying dominance are not really acceptable in a civilised society, but women are still biologically aroused by men who behave like this. Sexual attraction is not ''PC'', and, unfortunately, the average woman is sexually attracted to some really dark and nasty stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 08:38 AM
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Most women are shorter than most men. Being taller than your male partner can make you feel less feminine, because now you're fulfilling the physically masculine role. Height and a well-proportioned body are masculine qualities, regardless of other factors. A 5'0'' woman is still going to find a 6'0'' man more attractive, even so a 5'3'' guy's 3 inch height difference would more than suffice, if being shorter and feeling feminine was the prime requisite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 08:29 AM
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Where exactly are you guys living? Prostitution is widely available and accessible, with no legal repercussions. At least, that's the case in the UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 11:01 PM
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But we don't project the way our attraction works on men, at least on PPD. I strongly disagree. It appears to me, that women just have no understanding of male sexuality and our sex drive. A perfect example of this is the example of older guys having sex with younger women. The comments about these kind of relationships are filled with non sequitor coments from women, such as ''have you even spoken to a 17-year-old girl recently?'', and ''How could you have something in common with a teenage gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 10:49 PM
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Nah, male hamstering is just projection and shooting for the feels, rather than the reals. In this case, there are already laws in place which punish someone for making a false criminal allegation. Male hamsters are in overdrive, and just can't accept logic and due process in the legal system.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 10:36 PM
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It also should be mentioned, that a confident woman with the capability to run a household is seriously fucking hot. That turns 4s into 6s, and 5s into 7s, on these qualities alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 10:29 PM
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Do people actually realise that there would have to be a completely separate criminal and legal investigation into an alleged false rape claim? It would be a complete waste of time and effort. The only possibility of a conviction would be if the person making the false claim testified that they made it up, at a later date. This argument is just male hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 09:59 PM
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What style and colour?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 09:10 PM
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I love doing some needlework. Don't let anyone tell you that there's something unmanly about knitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 09:01 PM
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Well, back in those days, most of the population was rural, so they probably lived and worked on family farms and married someone within their area This depends on the country. The UK has been highly urbanised since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. In those days, women generally worked their arses off running a household. If they were lower class, then they probably also slaved away in some menial job.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 08:57 PM
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binging on TV boxsets WTF is up with this? I can't understand this obsession with Netflix and watching trashy, highly commercialised TV series.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 08:52 PM
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How would things be made easier? Just about everyone with eyes and social nous knows that good looks give a man a major advantage in LTR potential, and a huge advantage in STRs. I fail to see how women openly acknowledging this would alter anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/16 07:32 AM
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I've noticed that all popular meta subreddits have a left-wing, ''SJW'' version, and a right-wing, ''alt-right'' alternative. For example: r/cringe = Left, SJW r/cringeanarchy = Right, alt-right. r/subredditdrama = Left, SJW r/drama - Right, alt-right. r/thebluepill just happens to be a left-wing, ''SJW'' meta sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 05:44 PM
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Also women will have sex with a guy hoping for a relationship, on the inverse men will go into relationships looking for sex. This is pretty much 50/50 between men and women. Men are just as likely to catch the feels after a no-strings-attached casual affair. One thing is for certain in a FWB relationship: and that is that one or both partners will quickly develop the feels. Whether it's the man or the woman, is on the spin of a coin.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 10:24 PM
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Because there's something hugely off about them. Get out in the real world, and understand how the real world operates. There's some seriously ugly people out there forming meaningful relationships with other seriously ugly people. It's really, really not hard to get laid or find a partner. Those who have openly failed to do so are quite correctly judged as being socially and/or sexually defective in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 10:18 PM
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And, right here, you have one person telling you that as a sewer-dweller covered in faecal matter, I had a queue of hot 16 and 17 years old waiting at the top of the drain, whilst I fucked others in a tunnel full of rats.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 09:52 PM
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Status is more about dominance and being respected. It's why a nightclub bouncer has 100x more ''status'' than a programmer, despite earning less, and being superficially lower down on the employment totem pole. Unless you're a celebrity, then you just have to rely on ''status'' based upon how you act and present yourself. The truth is, that no-one 2-3 streets away from you knows who you are, let alone anyone else in your town or city.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 09:42 PM
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I would respond to this by asking how Women are meant to make the distinction between 'the kinds of men who participate in certain unpleasant behaviours'? There is literally no way to tell! I think that you're missing the point. The point is that a large number of women appear to be absolutely oblivious to the harsh day-to-day realities of a man's life. The kind of men who shout lewd comments at women are generally the same kind of men who shout abusive, threatening, and humiliating comments tow…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 02:38 PM
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Women are just used to be more isolated and protected from that kind of shit, so they take it harder and more personal. This comment could be extrapolated to every single facet of life, not just gaming. Very well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 01:05 PM
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Men like smooth, youthful skin, and ink on a woman is pretty gross. However, it's not an absolute deal-breaker, so long as both parties are happy and comfortable with the social display.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 10:06 PM
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it is often used to dismiss the original point in the laziest way possible; no rationale or explanation as to why the speaker disagrees, or offer of an alternative point of view. This may be true in some instances, but I think that you are largely overlooking the fact that ''virtue signalling'' is a social phenomenon which is undeniable. Regardless of the issues in question, a lot people do ostentatiously display behaviour which they think will ingratiate themselves towards other people, whom th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 07:24 PM
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HAHAH, no I meant "I totally agree". TIL ;) In my embarrassed defence, a lot of people from other European countries do use shorthand abbreviations for their countries. BTW in Italy most men DO NOT cat call women. Only a small segment of poorly educated men do that. Yeah, this seems to be a particularly USA issue. That's not to say that it doesn't occur amongst people in Western Europe, but it's compartmentalised amongst a very small demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 06:21 PM
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And this is why I spend time with the aforementioned navel-gazing about the full ins and outs (no pun intended) of the Nature vs Nurture debate! You may well be right, that it's a biological aversion to sexual disgust which means that small proportions of people are capable of such activities. That doesn't make it any less uncomfortable, though, thinking that the only reason why I don't want to fuck a goat, my auntie, or Tower Bridge, is due to a random gene or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 06:11 PM
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Sorry, I feel a little bit stupid now. I thought your ''ITA'' was an abbreviation for Italy - as in you were stating your country of origin. I need to brush-up on my internet abbreviations! I was just trying to make a joke about how Italian men are generally stereotyped as being these smooth Casanova types, who wouldn't shy away from making a well-timed comment to a ''bella ragazza''.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:58 PM
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I wonder sometimes, about that too. But perhaps it's the same impulse that makes the thought of actual incest so disgusting to most people? Everything we experience, has a physical system making it possible. And for too many of those systems "close enough" is a guiding principle. One of the things which makes me viscerally disgusted is the thought (which I don't dwell on!) of having sex with animals. Zoophilia appears to be a cross-cultural phenomenon, with numerous recorded incidences across th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:49 PM
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I'm saying that sexual attraction is a prerequisite for a romantic relationship. Therefore, it's not really possible to be ''romantically rejected'', as the idea of ''romantic rejection'' is predicated upon their being a sexual relationship, in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:36 PM
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ITA. Only a very small segment of society actually does the catcalling thing. LOL It appears that you can't live up to your stereotype of Casanovas and Lotharios!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:31 PM
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I find it strange that everyone will acknowledge the fact that 2-5% of people are gay, and, consequently, unlikely to pass on their genes, yet people are totally convinced that the remaining 95-98% have this rigid, super-duper, evo-psych AWALT/AMALT level of sexual preferences. Men and women's preferences are varied, with some preferences appearing to be predominate - whether through culture, biology, or a combination of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:28 PM
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Easy to say when you're a global icon, a societal 10/10, and as fit as a butcher's dog!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 05:20 PM
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But they're not your romantic partners, are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 03:29 PM
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Men and women get sexually rejected, not romantically rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 03:27 PM
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But your examples are just examples of empathy and friendship. There is no romantic connotation cited in your examples. And yet, the slightest thought of me actually having sex with someone else's guy parts make me want to throw up in my mouth, because my brain clearly hates me. Ha! Yeah, as I get older (I'm a heterosexual male), I've noticed that some men can give me ''feelings'' which I don't normally feel about guys, but I'm still repulsed by the thought of partaking in ''sexual acts'' with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 03:20 PM
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Would you ''kiss and cuddle'' with a seriously disfigured burns victim, or someone of your own sex/gender (assuming that you're not bisexual)? If the answer is ''no'', then you've merely proved my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 02:43 PM
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Your claim requires men and women to always separate love and sexual attraction No. Romantic affection solely stems from sexual attraction. It's a bit bizarre, even by the standards of PPD. Yeah, only if you're looking for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 02:04 PM
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Well, ''incel'' means involuntary celibacy. The obvious solution to that is to have sex with a prostitute. This is an option which is cheap and accessible. This demonstrably proves that there is absolutely no such thing as ''involuntary'' celibacy, just voluntary celibacy. When they get called out on this, ''incels'' twist the meaning of the term, and move the goalposts to describe something completely different to the concepts of ''involuntary' and ''celibacy'', which renders the term ridiculou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 01:38 PM
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From what I've heard from the USA, the ''SJWs'' aren't as big of a thing in real life, as you'd be led to believe from the internet. However, university campuses in the US appear to be full of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 11:53 AM
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What I mean is that there already needs to be some kind of sexual relationship/ friendship based on mutual sexual attraction, in place, for the possibility of ''romantic'' rejection to even be a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 09:40 AM
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Got lies and well-meaning letdowns across the board... like "oh yeah, I'm not going to prom" from the guy who then showed up alone. all of them were-- by my judgment-- as attractive as me or uglier. Welcome to the world which men experience!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 09:32 AM
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It is against the law in a lot of countries, and is the sole reason why Julian Assange is holed-up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 09:14 AM
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I largely agree with you. However, successful presentation of your looks is a way to make yourself achieve some kind of sexual and romantic success. Advice such as lift, dress well, etc. are just offered as mindless platitudes, but - when correctly applied - can be actually very beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 09:02 AM
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The problem I have with purported ''incels'' is that they keep moving the goalposts, so as it eventually turns out to be just a group of narcissistic creeps whinging about the fact that they aren't having sex with a hot girl, and not getting lauded and acclaimed by society for having sex with a hot girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 08:55 AM
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I found out about it from browsing Reddit. It was just a ''word of mouth'' kind of thing, as someone posted a link to r/theredpill. Having said that, I have been aware of PUA since the early 2000's.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 07:22 AM
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Excess body fat is universally unattractive in both men and women. What I can't fathom is how people can lack the self-awareness to understand that a deal-breaking physical characteristic in a potential partner is remotely acceptable to possess, yourself. I don't find fat women (unless they're obese) to be repulsive, but just sexually invisible. If overweight women don't even register as a sexual entity to me, then I'm going to be damn sure to keep my own body in decent shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 07:18 AM
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My point is that she wouldn't brag about ''commitment'' to her friends, because her friends would already be well aware of the ins and outs of her romantic life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/16 05:00 PM
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They don't brag about fucking Chad to each other, they brag about fucking Chad and getting him to commit to her. Nah, not really. No woman brags about getting a man to commit to her, because that man, by definition, is already her boyfriend, if he has already committed to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/16 04:38 PM
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I'm not entirely sure that's it's possible for a woman to be ''romantically rejected''. There needs to be some kind of emotional reciprocity for a romantic relationship to formed, in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/16 03:42 PM
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It depends on the quality of guys she has sex with. If a woman has casual sex with 5 ''Chads'', then she's hardly going to be coy and demure about this to her circle of envious female friends. On the other hand, if she has some drunken hook-ups, or casual sex, with men because she felt weak and craved physical intimacy, then she's more likely to keep these on the down-low.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/16 02:02 PM
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When I think of attractive, I think of the simple definition of bringing people towards you like a magnet. You're posting what you personally ''think of'' when you hear the term, but are criticising others for personally thinking of a different definition? A lot of times I see cliche stories about men who are allegedly "attractive" but are not sexually successful. I call BS. These stories are fabricated and edited to support cancerous ideologies. Some of these stories are no doubt embellished an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/16 09:46 AM
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The main problem is that people generally form expectations before they've experienced the reality. And when reality doesn't match their expectations - rather than adapt and temper their expectations to match reality - a lot of people think that there's something faulty with reality. The grass isn't greener on the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/16 09:39 AM
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The problem with calculating the odds on it being a successful strategy, is that if it's just a strategy, and you're calculating the odds, you're just defeating everything that might have made it work? I don't think that the ''nice guy'' strategy is a conscious or calculated effort. However, certain approaches and strategies - viewing as an outsider - can be assessed for their efficiency and their likelihood of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 11:10 AM
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Traditional men worship her because she plays for ''their team'', and she can be used as a weapon against the ''opposing team''.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 10:40 AM
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I think that this is certainly possible, although the ''nice guy'' strategy must be statistically unlikely to be successful. I'd also be interested to see how many of these platonic friendships occurred through work. Work is an environment where it's generally a taboo to be upfront about your attraction to a colleague, and where friendships are the standard relationships between colleagues from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 10:37 AM
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There's no ''BP brain-washing''. It's just a ''poor me'' victim complex which TRPers adopt, because they can't handle the fact that they were too naive, gullible, stupid, or autistic to read between the lines, and understand the reality of social and relationship dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 10:32 AM
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Looks like it was created by a butthurt TRPer. I think that the people there need to work on ''maintaining frame''.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 10:01 AM
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I live in the UK, and from my experience street harassment is only really done by lower class men showing-off to their mates, people under the influence of drink or drugs, and the mentally unstable. No normal, sober, middle-class person participates in this. This is why I think that a lot of men are pissed off at the accusatory words of a lot of feminists. For a movement which preaches the concept of ''intersectionality'', they frequently make absolutely no distinction between the kinds of men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 09:58 AM
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The only reason your ''best friend'' could be unattractive, is if they were hideous looking. The friendship alone proves that both parties find the personality of the other to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 09:20 AM
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I'm not RP, but let's be honest here: Male and female best friend partnerships either consist of those who have grown up with each other from an early age, in which case there is a brother/sister dynamic. Or amongst adults where one or both parties harbour sexual and romantic feelings towards the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 08:50 AM
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Heavily loaded questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 08:30 AM
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I can assure you that the behaviour and actions of men like this are just as unrelatable and alien to the majority of men, as they are to women. I can't empathise with this kind of person, at all, as they are so far off the radar of normal thoughts and behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 08:29 AM
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The thing that makes TRP cult-like is their absolute, unquestioning belief in a philosophy which has absolutely zero evidence for its effectiveness. Even if TRP did work, you couldn't possibly get irrefutable evidence of that, as there are just no falsifiable tests, and too many variables, to come to an accurate conclusion. What's also highly suspicious, is that the methods recommended have no tangible end-game. Failure to succeed can always be blamed away by not mastering a method.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 08:14 AM
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It's not about men that are merely dating Asian women. It's about men that are dating Asian women that give reasons like "they are all super submissive and not degenerates like western women". But where do you ever see a quote like that, other than some forums in the nether regions of the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:42 AM
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In the West, though, fertility rates are barely at population replacement levels. And you can't really chastise women for churning out a large number of children in countries with no access to medical care and social services, outside of big cities. We have the luxury of being childless, because we live in comfort, and daddy government will provide for us, every step of the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:31 AM
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The weird thing is that it's now been shown - in retrospect, probably unsurprisingly - to be an absolutely kamikaze approach. It's always been suggested that there's a bit of a realist/idealist dichotomy between the right and left, but how can they have misjudged this so badly, when they had they option to be pragmatic and not antagonise the largest demographics?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:24 AM
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Not hatred for women, as a whole (unless they have mummy issues), but I've certainly encountered men who clearly have a hatred of young, attractive, or ''sexually viable'' women. The 100-tonne elephant in the room, which most people just won't address, is that misogyny generally stems from feelings of sexual frustration and sexual failure within men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:08 AM
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Height is dependant on proportions. A skinny 6'5'' ectomorph with awkward, gangly limbs and a weak -looking skull isn't go be as attractive as a 6'0'' guy with broad shoulders and large skull. Height is just a proxy for power and dominance, but it's irrelevant unless the rest of your frame conveys this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 08:02 AM
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I doubt it. ''Misogynist'' isn't a synonym for ''sexist''. Stranger still, sexism isn't a inherently negative concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 07:54 AM
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Feminism representing equality became a redundant concept when equality was enshrined in law. Feminism is just a female advocacy group. They are pitching for the best deal for women, and seeing what they can gain from this. I don't have a problem with this, but people shouldn't dishonestly pretend that it's something which it's not. Most core tenets of feminism - such as reproductive rights, workplace rights and bodily autonomy - have absolutely nothing to do with equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 07:45 AM
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''Misogyny'' is one of those words which has generally lost its meaning due to people constantly misusing and overusing it. It's like the parable of the boy who cried wolf. If you accuse someone of ''misogyny'' because they manspread on the tube, then don't be shocked when genuine complaints of misogyny are Ignored or only half listened to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 07:35 AM
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If you belittle the concerns and experiences of the largest voting demographics, then don't be surprised when they come back and bite you in the bum. Brexit and Trump have shown that large swathes of reasonable people just aren't going to put up with being told what the ''correct'' beliefs on important issues are, anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 09:46 PM
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There's no hateful rhetoric. Overweight/fat girls aren't lusted after because their excess fat makes them sexually unattractive, and gives them an unwomanly appearance. Anybody claiming otherwise is just delusional, and is not worth bothering about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 07:30 PM
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A lot of people need to seriously get off the internet, and venture into the real world. Nobody, in the real world, cares about - let alone ''attacks'' - men or women choosing to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 07:25 PM
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That's probably the fault of romantic comedies and parts of society U wot m8? The average member of society isn't a drooling autist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 06:51 PM
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No-one really cares about this shit in the real world. Fat girls are popular within their social circles, but they aren't sexually attractive. What are you trying to prove or disprove with this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 06:42 PM
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Get a face transplant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 06:34 PM
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UK here. Trump voters and supporters are/were consistently portrayed as dumb, uneducated rednecks and hicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 06:06 PM
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When you ignore, and worse still, mock and belittle the concerns of the largest demographic in your country, then don't be surprised when your chickens come home to roost. Example 1: Brexit. Example 2: Donald Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 05:51 PM
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LOL Yeah, that's why boy bands are full of fat and ugly men. It's the ''character and personality'' of Harry Stlyes and Zain Malik which make millions of women and girls romantically idolise them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 05:35 PM
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I've read your ''evidence'', and it's BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 02:04 PM
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Don't be pointedly obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 01:55 PM
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It's not the citation of a random study which is the problem, it's the faulty conclusions which are drawn and furthered from it. For example, the link you gave was solely about black and white people who went to university. The overwhelming number of people in every ethnic group do not go to university, therefore the experiences of those who do, can't be extrapolated towards the 90% of the population who don't share this experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 01:10 PM
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Old people have huge noses and ears. Do they? Even if this were noticeable, then the gradual. marginally noticeable enlargement of nose and ears should be the last concern of someone who has lost skin elasticity and hair vitality. Why can't men get plastic surgery? Men have been seeking cosmetic surgery in increasingly higher numbers for the last decade Plastic surgery just soothes the psyche of nasty, internal questions which men and women both face. For outside viewers, plastic surgery is just…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 12:47 PM
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Citing some random link on the internet is not ''evidence''.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 12:38 PM
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Black women are more educated than white men No, they're not. It's absolutely ridiculous to assert such a claim. Asian's have lower unemployment than white men, with white women not too far behind These figures are talking about East Asians - a group of people who are stereotyped as intelligent and well-educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 12:34 PM
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But that's exactly the same with men. A man will never have more hairs on his head than he did when he was 15. The gradual loss of skin elasticity noticeably takes a gradual toll on men and women from their mid-20s onwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 12:23 PM
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Not without surgery. Nose and ears don't stop growing. Noses and ears grow on such a minuscule level, that it makes your point totally redundant. You don't see old people wandering around with huge noses and ears. Men do this, too. I plan on it. I'm talking about make-up and hair care, not plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 12:19 PM
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I'm saying that a 20-year-old 10/10 has the same facial proportions as her 65-year-old, sexually invisible, 0/10 self. The difference, therefore, is solely in the degradation of hair and skin quality. Degradation in hair and skin quality obviously affects men and women in equal measure, with it being far worse for men due to balding, and the lack of socially acceptable options to hide the degradation in skin and hair quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 12:11 PM
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As with most talking points on this sub, people are overthinking and over-analysing everything. Whereas, in the real world, people's actions, behaviours and decisions are irrational, emotional ''in the moment'' decisions and beliefs, which are split-second rationalisations that serve the purpose of pleasure-seeking, pain-avoidance, and social acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 12:05 PM
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Worse still, feminism has just turned into a combative, delusional, ''grass is always greener on the other side'' movement. The vast majority of issues which everyone - of all creed, colour, and gender - face, are not dictated by your personal identity. Of course, you may have a very slight advantage in certain situations if you are white, straight, and male, but these avantages are merely superficial. The troublesome issue with feminism now, is that it's turned into a completely antagonistic mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 11:39 AM
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1 Physically unattractive, but have the naive belief that they are capable of pulling an attractive woman who sees past their physical unattractiveness. 2 Lack of social skills and self awareness. 3 Following on from point 2, they are invariably from a sheltered upbringing which make them struggle to form anything other than a knee-jerk understanding of social and sexual dynamics. 4 They have huge hang-ups about expressing their sexuality. They are embarrassed about accepting and talking about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 11:07 AM
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But people who are often cited as good-looking bald men are generally only people who were physically attractive in the first place (and they still look way, way better with hair). Jude Law, for example, is beautiful (no homo), so it stands to reason that he still looks good, even so he was noticeably balding from quite a youngish age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 10:56 AM
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I disagree with these assertions. A 12-year-old kid working in a copper mine in Bolivia can have a higher quality of life than a multi-millionaire American Trust Fund kid with existential depression. Ease and comfort of life do not equate to quality of life - as quality of life depends upon personal satisfaction, which depends upon the social interactions and relationships with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 10:38 AM
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I would actively go after her, as the odds on having sex with her are hugely in my favour. Although, dating her would become an absolute no-no unless I developed fee-fees for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 10:30 AM
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People neglect the importance of presentation in regards to looks. The presentation of your looks is one of the biggest factors in attractiveness, and is why advice such as dress well, be yourself, be confident, etc. are more than mere platitudes. I can't emphasise enough how there has to be congruency between looks and presentation, otherwise you're going to weird people out. This guy. for example, seems nervous - he can't even maintain consistent eye-contact with the camera FFS. Like it or not…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 10:20 AM
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Yeah, it was an attempt at a dirty joke. He is successful - I live in the UK where he's a well-known sportsman - but I'm just saying that sporting success doesn't automatically equate to real world ''success''.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 10:07 PM
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Andy has previously proved that he can successfully swing it deep into the ''opposition's'' ''court''.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 09:54 PM
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So you're more of a Djokovic fan?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 09:45 PM
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World Number 1 tennis player =/= ''successful guy''.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 09:22 PM
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Who the fuck follows tennis? Pretty much hundreds of millions of people throughout the world. Tennis is second only to football in terms of worldwide recognition and popularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 09:21 PM
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Whatever mate
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 08:57 PM
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Women are judged on looks more than men are. You wish, mate, you wish...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 08:56 PM
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There is a simple biological fact [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 07:36 PM
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There is no wall for men You wish, mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 07:32 PM
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White men will be just fine. This man apparently has only 9% less white than Lionel Messi.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 07:28 PM
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I hope that your comment is satire/Poe's Law.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 04:28 PM
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Bruce Willis was a handsome guy when he had hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 04:27 PM
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Daily Mail = worthless clickbait.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 04:22 PM
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sexy bald Please pick only one of these two options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 03:24 PM
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I wouldn't say men hit the wall harder than women. Female beauty is associated with youth, whereas male attractiveness is not. This generally levels out when men and women reach their mid-20s. Usually, women are the prettiest versions of themselves in their teens and early twenties (no paedo), whereas men hit the sweet spot of physical attraction in the 21-24 range, when their looks masculinise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 03:00 PM
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That's still Beta Bucks. though, whether you give her access to the money or not. Men want women to feel raw, unbridled lust towards them, which is dependant upon physical attractiveness, which men gradually lose after they hit the mid-20s. ''Wow, you have a quarter of a million in the bank, and are the head honcho in a growing IT firm. That just makes me soooooo wet, and I'm overcome by lust when I fantasise about your 38-year-old, bald self.'' ...Said no woman ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 02:52 PM
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money and status Isn't that Beta Bucks?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 02:38 PM
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Courtesy is just a way of conveying the fact that you're not a threat and an acknowledgement of your relationship in the social hierarchy. There's no need to overanalyse it by reading something into it that's not there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 01:16 PM
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UK here. Holding open doors is a 100% non-gendered act of basic courtesy and politeness which is based on the distance behind you of the next person who is likely to pass through the door. This can lead to some embarrassed and awkward flustering on the part of both parties when you are in that ''grey area'' of the ''should I, shouldn't I?'' distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 01:02 PM
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''The Wall'' is just a revenge fantasy of men who are bitter, frustrated and resentful because they feel like they're sexual failures. Men and women both gradually lose attractiveness from their mid-20s onwards, as they begin to visibly age. This is just one of the realities which everyone has to face, and there's nothing you can do about it. Physical ageing (aka ''The Wall'') isn't something which uniquely affects women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 12:47 PM
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Homeless people can't buy homes You're getting confused: Homeless = no sex in this analogy - and you have no answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 11:02 PM
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I doubt that that's true. You could possibly be the most famous person in history, if you had truly mastered this concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 10:48 PM
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Terrible analogy. Absolutely terrible. Most people wouldn't buy homes in ghetto crime infested areas for a lower cost. If they're homeless, then yes - they 100% would.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 10:42 PM
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1 We're sexually attracted to what we're sexually attracted to. I'm a heterosexual man, and I'm just not sexually attracted to overweight/fat women. They are sort of sexually invisible to me. I'm certainly not repulsed by them (other than the morbidly obese), but they just don't arouse any kind of positive or negative sexual feelings in me. I imagine that - for a lot of women - they have similar feelings towards overweight, balding, or short men. If some women don't find short men sexually attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 10:34 PM
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Unless a man is deformed, or has the social intelligence of a brick, then it's not going to be difficult for him to have sex. Of course, the women he has sex with may well be fat 1-3/10s. But, it's sex, none the less. Most men reject this option of sex, which strongly indicates that sex in itself, isn't that important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 09:10 PM
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This is an issue where there's a definite double standard. I'm thankful that I'm on the higher end of average height, but I do have a lot of empathy for shorter guys. It seems that their clear disadvantages in life are ignored, and they are in a lose/lose situation if they ever broach this subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:05 PM
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I get horny maybe about once a week https://65.media.tumblr.com/a88c73f4065145b2b48dfa3669370d9b/tumblr_inline_nsohpxWROr1qcvf6m_500.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:06 PM
2

So that means that you've slept with roughly 60 people in 5 years. Given the opportunity, most men would clock up that number in less than a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:03 PM
1

Agreed. You can read all about those conditions at TRP. Not about the most important factor which they conveniently gloss over...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:02 PM
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Low body fat with decently toned muscle, like a football (soccer) player is what's attractive. Like with most things in attraction, meeting the minimum threshold will suffice, and anything extra will just provide diminishing returns. Excessive Muscularity and strength are not particularly attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:01 PM
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The fact that you're here tells me that you take it seriously enough though. Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:58 PM
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You can't see the wood for the trees. There are a myriad of factors which contribute to someone being sexually attractive. Prioritising lifting (which has minimal impact on sexual attraction) and acting like a dick (which is a very vague behaviour) are not going to get you laid unless you meet other, far more important, conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:23 PM
2

Yeah, unverified internet testimonials are exactly what I need to convince me that the beliefs and ethos of an unverified, aspie internet cult are true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:14 PM
3

Nobody would get laid on those two things alone. And both of those activities/behaviours exist outside TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:12 PM
2

TRP has successful users [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:08 PM
1

I have no idea what my n count is but it's well over 10. AMA That just illustrates my point. ''Well over 10''. That's what men would acquire over a fortnight, given the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:51 PM
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Not a women's gossip website.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:47 PM
1

I think it's different if you grew up with the girl. Then there's more of a brother/sister dynamic. Also, some friendships come about through circumstances and convenience, such as those you find at work. But, other than that, no, it's not worth a man having seeking kind of friendship with a woman, for friendship's sake. One or both of you will develop sexual feelings, which creates an awkward and avoidable situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 04:46 PM
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Please provide a reputable source.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 02:20 PM
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But you've offered no evidence. The only evidence we have on sexual behaviour of women is personal and anecdotal. My personal experience is that women aren't generally promiscuous, and have ridiculously low lay-counts. Your view seems to be a fanciful distortion of reality, whereby women are shagging dozens of men ''on the down-low'', all the while miraculously hiding this from their social circle and every other person in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 02:08 PM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:55 PM
2

The dating market is, and always will be, a sink or swim, survival of the fittest market. Parental advice is pretty irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:46 PM
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It's pretty easy for a woman to get to N=5. Couple of boyfriends, one in high school, one in college, an ONS, and a couple of flings that she tried to get started but never got off the ground. That's 5 right there, with no effort at all, and all before age 22, before she's even out of college. This is what I also think. I used an example of a 25-year-old woman, because it's hard to imagine someone of that age not sleeping with 5-10 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:41 PM
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So you're saying that, for example, a non-partying female co-worker is getting pounded by random men outside her social circle? Your premise is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:38 PM
2

But that's self reporting and we all know how women report and "count" their own Ns. ''But I only gave them blow jobs, and only let a few other guys ejaculate inside my vagina. But that doesn't actually count as sex.''
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:35 PM
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Promiscuous women aren't all that concerned with strangers being aware of her promiscuity, just those in her social circle (family, friends, co-workers). And it's her social circle who know about how many sexual partners she has. No woman in my social circle has had more than an average of 1 sexual partner per year. There's just no way to keep multiple sexual dalliances ''on the down-low'', when friends, family and work could easily check up on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:22 PM
1

Have you got a reputable source?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:09 PM
1

Chad's so attractive, that's why he loves himself. Unfortunately, the reality of life is that your ego and general well-being is controlled by how others view and perceive you. This is the constant positive/negative feedback loop which dictates our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:07 PM
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Because you can't have indiscriminate sex, or multiple sexual dalliances, without other people knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 12:54 PM
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Chad loves himself, that's why he's so attractive. What came first? The chicken or the egg...? Although, I know your OP is not entirely serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 12:51 PM
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While lay-counts are generally underplayed or overplayed to impress others, there's no way that the average young woman would end up with more than an average of 10 lifetime partners. When men get the opportunity of regular sex - such as musicians, sports stars, actors, etc. - they end up with lay-counts in the quadruple figures, let alone the triple figures. Compare, say, Justin Bieber with Taylor Swift. She's probably had less than 10 sexual partners, whereas he's probably in the late hundreds…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 12:12 PM
2

I can dig up the source if you want me to. Yes, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 12:05 PM
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A woman who I talked to scratched her nose? ''Yeah, she was totally, like, giving me these, like, IOIs, bro''.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 11:52 AM
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Providing women with pleasurable sex is not some rare or mystical property. It's just the norm. I don't understand why subs like these seem to think that it's something which you can only achieve through some kind of cheat code. Women don't get off because of bad sex. Average to good sex will satisfy them easily. The thing that seems strange to a man is the mentality of ''he didn't satisfy me, so I'll just wait here passively and maybe eventually find another guy who I like, who will maybe satis…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 11:43 AM
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The problem is that having sex with multiple people in the past is a huge indicator of someone's potential current and future sexual behaviour. Your man may have had sex with 13 people, but - considering that sex is not exactly laid on a plate for men - you'd have to assess the opportunities and circumstances of those sexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 11:22 AM
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Of course, enjoying sex is a huge positive for a woman. But it's only really a positive in the context of a monogamous relationship. Having a ''high'' lay-count suggests that the woman not only enjoys sex, but enjoys sex with multiple partners, and that's an obvious detraction from her LTR potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 10:36 AM
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Yeah, I know. It just seems weird to me how the different cocktail of sex hormones, pumping through a man or woman's endocrine system, can turn out to create such disparities in every facet of our lives. On a slight tangent, this is why I think that it seems impossible for men and women to empathise with each other over certain issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 10:24 AM
2

I'm guessing that 3 is on the high-end of low, or the low-end of average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 10:17 AM
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Thanks for the information. This is actually consistent with my personal experience. I find it just about impossible to fathom how women are so ''meh'' about sex outside relationships. I can't imagine having the opportunity for sex at any given time, on any given day, and ending up with a lay-count of 1-6!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 10:15 AM
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I just personally think anyone with an N higher than 10 either really enjoys sex or is shitty at keeping relationships going. I think that both of the reasons you give are why TRPers have valid grounds for being wary of a woman with a high n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 10:11 AM
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I think the main problem is self-consciousness and self-control. Most social situations are highly sexually-charged affairs for men. Those who accept this and put it to the back of their mind are - looks permitting - generally successful with women. Those who dwell and wallow in this come across as socially awkward, and maybe creepy. You see this all the time on TRP: Overly analysing sexual dynamics in a social situation, where sexual dynamics weren't present.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 10:06 AM
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I think that the perceived power of choice, in general, is a curse more than a blessing. If you have 10 choices, you have to pick one, for better or worse. If it turns out ''worse'', then there will be an army of people judging you for not choosing 1 of the other 9.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:53 AM
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I think that it was an ''accident'' with a groupie. I don't generally like to pass judgement about people who I don't know, but I can't fathom how someone could just wash their hands of having a child like that. It was before my time, but it apparently caused quite a bit of a stir, especially in an era when men were more expected to ''man up'' and commit to a woman if he got her pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:19 AM
1

Prison rape is a rarity in British prisons. Why is it such an epidemic in the USA?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:15 AM
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Tom Jones - the Welsh singer - fathered a child in the 1970's. He has shown absolutely no interest in ever meeting his son, and his only acknowledgement of his child's existence were the child support payments which he paid to the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:09 AM
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Ronaldo's not gay. Maybe he's bisexual, but certainly not gay. ''Gay'' is the go-to jibe which jealous, less attractive men make against the Latin pretty-boy types. I do admire the fact that he decided to raise his son on his own, and didn't pull a Tom Jones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 08:05 AM
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I agree with highlighting things such as street harassment, as I think that it's disgraceful that so many men think that it's completely appropriate to harass women like this. This is an issue where I feel that many men are out of touch, especially those from a middle class background, as - not to put too fine a point on it - it tends to be something which is overwhelmingly a problem amongst the lower classes. Other than that, I've yet to see anything to suggest that feminism is anything other t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 07:24 AM
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Calling a man ''Insecure'' is just a shaming tactic. Men have notoriously fragile egos, and it's a not-so-subtle attempt to poke it with a stick. Just about all shaming tactics used against men are variations on ''you're not man enough'', to hit them where it hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 07:12 AM
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The off-putting issue with single mothers is just the presence of the child. Any other supposed reason is rationalisation for this. Any woman with a lay-count above 1 has had sex - and, consequently, risked pregnancy - with someone who won't be their partner in 20 years time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 04:08 PM
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There are lots of mothers in stable relationships who had a child who was unplanned, so not taking the morning after pill isn't a behaviour which is unique to women who end up as single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 04:04 PM
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The point is that the difference between boyfriend and father is often down to pure luck, rather than recklessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 03:59 PM
1

Is that the morning after pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 03:36 PM
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I would never knowingly raise another man's child, so single mothers are out of the picture for me. That being said, I disagree that single motherhood is an indication of poor judge of character or poor risk assessment. If that were the case, then the same arguments can apply to any single woman who has ever had sex, or a sexual relationship. Any woman with an ex-boyfriend could be classed as a ''poor judge of character'' and ''poor risk assessment'', using this argument. A lot of times unwanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 03:09 PM
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Hypergamy means to marry up or date up in social class. You can't just take a term and twist it to mean something completely different (and something completely unfalsifiabiable, to boot). The only possible way for a teacher/student relationship to be hypergamous, would be if the student is the son of a very high-status family. Hypergamy for a female teacher would be shagging the 4/10, balding, 40-something teacher, rather than the generic 8/10 jock.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 09:12 AM
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To your view, those with more power, money, status, do not have a higher chance of them and their children surviving. You're the one making the claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 12:21 AM
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In our society, do the rich and upper class have a better chance of their offspring surviving than the non rich? Money and status are huge sources of power in our society. Oh dear. From being blown out of the water about the purposeless of evolution to trying to argue some AWALT point about modern-day British, European or American social structure. Deary me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 12:17 AM
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''Overwhelming advantage'' is exactly the same as ''good enough.''
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 12:15 AM
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Because it will be obvious, According to the autistic elements of TRP, a woman's n count falls into 4 categories: 0 1-2 3-100 100+
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 12:00 AM
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"Survival of the form that will leave the most copies of itself in successive generations." Which could be anything or anyone. Darwin's concept is quite simple. What helps ensure survival? More power. That's your unscientific and agenda-driven belief. Don't, for one minute, pretend that your ''pull-it-out-of-my-arse'' assertion carries any kind of scientific backing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:55 PM
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You're talking to a vegan, brah...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:48 PM
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It made me realise just how much I wanted to shower my partner with a facial.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:25 PM
1

Also, out of curiosity--who exactly currently has greater mental abilities--an adult pig or a newborn human infant? An adult pig, for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:21 PM
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so why should an embryo not have family? Because it has - and always has had - the sentience of a fucking rock. Case closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:19 PM
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Survival of the fittest through natural selection is not how evolution works? What you're describing is not remotely an example of ''the survival of the fittest'', nor the scientific understanding of the evolutionary process. You can't just quote some bro-science and expect it to stick, can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:17 PM
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Actually, personhood appears to be based on people's interpretations of the results of medical science. There's absolutely no valid argument which suggests that a zygote or embryo is anything other than worthless genetic spawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:12 PM
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What helps an animal survive better? This isn't how evolution works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:07 PM
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Wait, I have no kids, do you want to tell me that I have no family? You've been sentient and conscious, though. So why - in intellectual honesty - did you refer to my latter comment in a dishonest attempt to nullify my first, hmm? Also, are your parents and siblings not family?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 11:00 PM
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Wouldn't you expect the animals that seeked power help their offspring survive better than the animals that didn't? That's just not how evolution works, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:56 PM
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Human ''personhood'' is decided by the results of findings in medical science. There is nothing to suggest that there's anything important about zygotes, embryos, or early fetuses, other than religious and philosophical dogma.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:52 PM
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The person in the coma has previously been sentient and conscious. The person in the coma has a family. Some fucking embryo or zygote hasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:46 PM
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So while mutations are randomly created, what is passed on and survives is not random. Obviously. Natural selection just makes millions of physical and behavioural traits manifest and mutate in reproductive populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:42 PM
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What causes mutations to be passed on or not? Humans having sex. I'm not sure where you're going with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:25 PM
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The fetus is not a sentient, conscious being until, at the earliest, 20-24 weeks into pregnancy. There aren't any ethical issues in an early or mid-stage termination.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:20 PM
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Makes no sense. We're not talking about sense. Evolution is a purposeless process which rewards the ''good enough.'' We're living - just as our ancestors did - amidst a chaotic clusterfuck of random evolutionary mutations. It's scientifically absurd to apportion any kind of conformity to this process.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:16 PM
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By hypergamy, all women are attracted to the rich and powerful. [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:04 PM
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It wouldn't be a deal breaker, because she may have lied a little bit, which can actually be good. The problem with the TRP/manosphere types is that they think that a woman who has slept with 50, 100, 100+ men can plausibly pass for a woman who claims to have had sex with 0-5 men. This is testament to the lack of real-world experience and social acuity amongst the TRP/MGTOW/incel types.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:00 PM
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I think that most people are aware that a lot of women find wealth and power an irresistible aphrodisiac. The question is, though: are the women who are drawn to famous and rich men a small subset of women? Or is this an occasion where TRP's AWALT mantra is largely true? The jury is still out on this one. Although - as long as a couple of other conditions are met - this is definitely an issue where I side more with the TRP perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 09:46 PM
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Humans aren't wolves or baboons. It's not possible for a human male to be this fantasised ''alpha'', because a human ''alpha'' needs to supplicate and ingratiate himself to others, otherwise the ''betas'' would just gang-up and kill him. An ''alpha'' needs to offer something in return for the pack not killing him. The truth of the matter is that there is no such thing as human ''alphas'', and those who do get nearest to this definition, do so through sneaky corruption, social manipulation and br…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 09:38 PM
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Promiscuity is mostly a symptom of social and/or psychological problems. Substance abuse is also a major factor, but that falls into both categories. The idea that you can't roughly gauge someone's n count after getting to know them, is ludicrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 09:11 PM
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It's a topic outside the internet, but the argument for its supposed importance is only really found amongst the sexually frustrated/unattractive men who fill up the MGTOW/TRP/MRA/altright regions of internet comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:52 PM
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The major skills for an ''alpha'' - along with confidence, social intelligence, and potential for violence/dominance - are actually charisma, co-operation, and negotiating skills. ''Power'', ''dominance'', and ''fearlessness'' are just the catch-all traits attributed to the fantasy characterisation of ''alphas'' by nerds and neckbeards. An ''alpha'' doesn't know who some random guy from a couple of streets away is, let alone who any random guy in a populous town or city. You can't be ''powerful'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:43 PM
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I do. And that is why I don't understand why Americans reify their constitution, even so they are apparently too stupid to understand that their ''rights'' are what legal governmental bodies say that they are. I don't know or care whether you're American, but Americans are seriously dumb people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 11:42 PM
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What's the point in having concepts such as ''free speech'' engraved in a constitution, when the government legally restricts freedom of speech and expression. It's absolutely stupid, and the majority of Americans are apparently absolutely stupid and uneducated, so they just lap this shit up without question. ''You have the right to bear arms''. But people with mental issues are denied that ''right''. So, how is it a ''right'' in the first place if you have to meet governmental conditions to rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 11:32 PM
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What you consider ''absurd'' is just your opinion; nothing more. Other people disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 11:21 PM
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I'm not making that claim, so no citation is needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 11:18 PM
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itches will give Chad the eye and maybe comment on his "rippling muscles", but it is still up to Chad to go for it and then confirm her interest It's not just about confirming interest, but avoiding a hard rejection. If a woman is aggressively sending sexual signals to a man she fancies, and he doesn't respond, then she can just brush it off as ''he must be too stupid to notice me, and my interest in him'', rather than the fact that the guy has noticed, is not interested, and feels awkward and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 11:03 PM
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I think that most people who read and contribute to this sub - men or women - are going to be outliers. Nobody in the real world generally knows or cares about TRP (only 150,000 subscribers), incels (an exclusively online phenomenon), or mental masturbation about gender relations and supposed sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:57 PM
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Not really. It's blatantly obvious to everyone outside the US that it's a document which served some kind of purpose a few centuries ago. But it is one of the major reasons why the USA is generally considered to be a retarded shit-hole by people in more socially developed countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:46 PM
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Those men who fucked farmyard animals have genetic urges for women, not animals [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:36 PM
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One governed by the US constitution As a non-American, I've never understood the reification of the US constitution. If you have the right to free speech, then you have the right to intimidate and threaten others, shout ''fire'' in a crowded theatre, publicly advertise hardcore pornography, and view sexually explicit images of children. If you have the right to bear arms, then that right extends to psychologically disturbed people, and violent criminals. It's obvious that Americans believe in le…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:34 PM
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Given that many of these men were conditioned to be beta from childhood and from women themselves, is it appropriate to place all the blame on them? How stupid does one have to be to not learn and understand how the world works? If someone believes in an alternative reality because someone told them a story, then they only have themselves to blame, and completely lack balls unless they fully accept responsibility and accountability for being so gullible and stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:08 PM
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You're only trying to convince yourself. Meanwhile, I'll stay here in the real world, and observe actual reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:04 PM
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You left out the part where I mentioned that targets for sexual urges are mainly influenced by environmental conditions. There are notorious incidences of sexually frustrated men having sex with farmyard animals. It's a little bit hard to believe that someone is born with a genetic urge to sodomise a goat.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:03 PM
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Humans are an anomaly in the animal world [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 09:59 PM
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There is absolutely nothing there which remotely suggests that men like full and rounded breasts because of fertility cues and symmetry. You need to try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 09:56 PM
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I've noticed that a lot of ''beta'' men want a prospective partner to act as a surrogate mother towards them. This generally comes across as creepy, and they end up crying about how a ''nice guy'' doesn't have sexual or romantic success.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 09:27 PM
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Men like full round breasts because they are fertility cues and the symmetry is a sign of healthy genetics. [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 09:21 PM
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Breasts are a physical trait that is a result of genetics, dominance is a personality trait that is a result of personal experience and growth. [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 09:21 PM
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Why do men like full and rounded breasts? Men don't need or have a ''reason'' for this. People are sexually attracted to what they are sexually attracted to. There's no point in overthinking things, or trying to apply logic to an inherently illogical process.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:41 PM
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Is it the same way for other philosophies or ethical systems? Pretty much so. Religious vs. atheism debates are full of religious people who clearly have doubts and questions about their faith. Most religious people who are comfortable about their faith and their beliefs have no interest in ''debating'' it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 08:28 PM
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Because if they truly adopted and internalised the philosophy, they wouldn't be remotely interested to in arguing and defending it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:31 PM
1

If you're Alpha, why are you doing this? If you're happy with the choices and beliefs, then the fact some of us hate you should mean nothing to you. They're certainly not ''holding and maintaining frame''. If anyone truly adopted and internalised Redpill thought, they wouldn't even be on subs like this in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 07:17 PM
0

Feels before realz.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 12:54 PM
0

Sounds more like reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 12:30 PM
1

Attraction changes as you mature. Women just find other qualities in 30-somethings more sexually and romantically attractive when they get older. Let's not forget that older men who dubiously lust after young women are not really the norm; this behaviour is indicative of some inferiority complex. Men, as they get older, generally get attracted to women their age who display good motherly traits. There's no conscious shift in this development, for men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 11:17 AM
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Isn't ''oneitis'' just the development of a crush/romantic feelings for a particular person? I think that 99.9% of humans have developed ''oneitis'' for someone, regardless of their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 11:12 AM
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I believe the science of evolutionary psychology has answers to these questions - it suggests that human mating preferences originate from our DNA and make us feel one way or the other. Have you got any source for this claim? Humans and most animals are pretty indiscriminate in who (or what) they hump, if environmental circumstances come into play. Sexual attraction seems very malleable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 11:08 AM
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RP men are expressing anger from being deceived and manipulated by women they fully trusted and supported. That sounds like male hamstering and ''losing frame''... They are not angry at being supposedly ''deceived and manipulated'', but they are furious about realising that they were stupid enough to believe a fantasy reality, which anyone with a triple-digit would have realised was false and imaginary. They lash out at women because they haven't got the balls or strength of character to take th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 11:01 AM
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Yeah, qualitative research is absolutely useless, as it can never control for the fact that people are going to give non-factual answers because of their ego. Even when participants fill out anonymous surveys, they still lie because the human psyche creates feelings which make no distinction between real-life social behaviour and anonymous social behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:55 AM
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I really can't understand how so many people fail to understand the basics of how humans think and behave. Questions like this are ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:49 AM
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(usually famous/rich fat guy) So, if you're in the top 0.01% of wealth and/or fame, women are more likely to overlook your physical imperfections. Well, I never!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 12:11 AM
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(I would argue that spike is because of men who are told, "looks don't matter" "look for someone who has your interests!""be confident!" so that leads to the spike in the most attractive. This ''looks don't matter'' nonsense is just a figment of the imagination amongst sheltered and socially awkward men. Nobody really says or believes that out there in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 12:05 AM
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https://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ When it comes down to actually choosing targets, men choose the modelesque. Someone like roomtodance above gets nearly 5 times as many messages as a typical woman and 28 times as many messages as a woman at the low end of our curve. Site-wide, two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women. So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute best-rated females, while plenty of potentially charming…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:55 PM
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Are you just pulling this out of your arse?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:42 PM
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China is notorious for men who are desperate for a wife, due to the artificially high gender disparity, yet men are still attempting to date women out of their league, whereas women (who hold the statistical advantage and power) generally try and get looksmatched partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:37 PM
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The OP always self-aggrandises himself as the heroic protagonist in his semi-fantasy drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:24 PM
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When looking for potential matches, the research shows that women take their own attractiveness into consideration, whereas men are more oblivious to this. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160719112533.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:21 PM
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I don't think that's true - the wiki article on hypergamy just bases it on what men and women value, which are different. It's not even debatable. Hypergamy, by definition, means dating up in social class. It doesn't matter what intellectually dishonest way TRP twists the term to mean. Would women be more or less attracted to a man obviously wearing makeup? I would say that initially women would be unattracted to a man with make-up. If it was socially acceptable, however, it would greatly improv…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:17 PM
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Have you not read an [FR] lately?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:12 PM
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So its wrong because you say its wrong. It's wrong because the advice is always the extreme, delusional kind of mental masturbation, whereas the overwhelming advice to an impressionable audience should emphasise baby steps, and not take a one-size-fits-all approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:39 PM
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Hypergamy means ''dating above your social class'', so looks and physical attraction have nothing to do with it. It's also blatantly obvious that the average woman is superficially more physically attractive than the average man, due to the prevalence of make-up, skincare and haircare products.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:36 PM
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Star of their own Hollywood blockbuster? What are you referring to specifically? The fantastical and delusional reality which TRP advocates for their adherents to believe in. The advice comes across as some melodramatic caricature of film and TV cliches.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:31 PM
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It does make the advice wrong. TRP is styled as some kind of a self-help forum for disillusioned men. We all know that most of the people who utilise it are from a sheltered upbringing, lacking social skills, and probably on the autism spectrum. The crazy, audacious ''advice'' is just mental masturbation for most of the regular contributors, but there appears to be no accountability or responsibility for the fact that wet-behind-the-ears, socially inept losers will lap it up and potentially get …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:25 PM
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But if many men settle of desperation, because they have no option to ''trade up'', is that really any better than women who do because the opportunity is there for the taking?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:20 PM
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Style will generally win over substance. In the last debate, for example, Donald was flailing and rambling for a lot of the time, and from a political point of view, he lost hands down. The problem is that he came across as more impressive than Hillary because he dished out some sick burns, and came across as ballsy and good entertainment value. It was a bit like WWE, and the willing suspension of disbelief.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:17 PM
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Displays of social dominance and a propensity for violence are a huge turn-on to most women, but it's pretty understandable why this is quietly swept under the carpet, as it's a massive taboo. Sex and violence have this weird, unpalatable relationship with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:09 PM
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I haven't got a link, but I actually read the research on another thread in this sub, a couple of months ago. I'm not sure which dating site these figures came from.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:06 PM
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I'm pretty sure that this doesn't work against my argument. It does, though. If you claim that sexual liberation makes women hanker after the most attractive men, then this claim is very much disputed by statistics which suggest that men are likely to attempt to date women out of their league, whereas women have more measured and realistic opinions of who are realistic dating targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:35 PM
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Women are attracted to men that make them feel good, safe, comfortable, and have sufficient status. This is true. But the average, socially retarded TRP viewer is not going to be able to achieve any of this by following the bold, expansive advice which basically tells them to become the star of their own Hollywood blockbuster.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:29 PM
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But, apparently, 45% of unmarried Japanese men under 35 are virgins, and 44% of unmarried Japanese women under 35 are virgins. If you believe those figures, then it makes a mockery of the suggestion that women are all honing in on the top percentage of men, as the figures tally evenly. I'm pretty sure, also, that research of online dating suggests that men continuously attempt to message women out of their league, whereas women appear to message men in and around their looks rating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:26 PM
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Only weird-looking to those within the cult...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:17 PM
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If you think that any willfully given advice will be tailored to meet individual needs of strangers on the internet, you're retarded. But that's the problem. People who visit TRP are generally ''retarded'' misfits who are completely devoid of social abilities. They will take the ''alpha'' advice on board without distinction, because they are - for want of a better word - retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:16 PM
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What I don't understand is why people are shocked by a notoriously sleazy womaniser being ''outed'' as a sleazy womaniser. Everyone knew what kind of person he was for decades, yet it's only now, nearly a year after he became a serious candidate, that his whole campaign and persona is crumbling and disintegrating in ignominy, right before our eyes. Why didn't people put a stop to him when they had a chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:10 PM
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Is there any actual data to suggest that the number is ''skyrocketing''? Other studies show millenial men are losing their virginity later than even their grandparents. Millenial men are also having fewer sex partners. Even if this is true (which I'm not sure about), it could probably be explained by the fact that their grandparents mostly grew up in the 1950's and 1960's - an era where marrying and pairing off at a younger age was far more socially expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 09:04 PM
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Set boundaries, maintain frame, be assertive, professional ambition, manufacture abundance mentality, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:56 PM
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I have heard people on here dismiss somatotypes, I'm not sure why. I think a lot of people dismiss the concept because of some ridiculous, broscience claims which are made. eg. Ectomorphs who claim that they can't put on weight, and have to eat 5,000 calories per day to maintain. Or endomorhps who claim that it's practically impossible for them to not put on weight or store bodyfat. As far as I can see, somatypes are a perfectly valid way of describing someone's bone structure and muscle inserti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:53 PM
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Be attractive, don't be unattractive. How does that fail? Because TRP's idea of attractiveness is - for want of a better and more PC phrase - pretty fucking autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:29 PM
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It's not actionable advice, though. It's shoehorning and bludgeoning tired and unimaginative tips for ''self-improvement'', without the essential element of tailoring it to meet an individual's needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:26 PM
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I think that a lot of people are burying their heads in the sand about this issue. Anders Breivik purportedly receives hundreds of letters and messages per month from fan-girls offering conjugal visits and marriage proposals. Breivik is balding, has poor colouring (flaxen hair on pasty skin isn't a good look), is podgy, and could not generally be considered to be a good looking man. So, it appears quite obvious that his female admirers are attracted to him because he mercilessly and ruthlessly g…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:24 PM
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Disregarding looks and presentation would be a failure to understand rp basics. TRP bludgeons a one-size-fits-all approach to these issues, which is going to set the gullible social misfits to failure and humiliation when they act out this advice in real life. Your looks are the number one factor in how people will judge you, and your best bet for social success is to specifically tailor your presentation to reflect your looks in a congruent and plausible manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 08:03 PM
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I know exactly what you're saying. I was genetically ''blessed'' with narrow clavicles, so any kind of upper body hypertrophy which I try to achieve has to take this fact into account. I would look comical if I blasted my delts and lats, when my skeletal frame would tell a different story. I think that working out is worthwhile, and there are a lot of placebo effect benefits to it, but people should study and assess their proportions, and then make a plan to accentuate what they've got. I mentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:53 PM
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Unfortunately, excessive muscularity looks artificial and ''unnatural'', even if you're natural and not on dat dere. If you look at the young men of uncontacted and semi-contacted hunter-gatherer tribes, then they tend to be lean and sinewy with lowish bodyfat. It would be next to impossible to achieve a bodybuilder's physique in a natural environment, as you wouldn't encounter consistent progressive overload, nor would you have the necessary food to fuel and support hypertrophy over any sustain…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 05:14 PM
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The biggest problem with TRP is that they sledgehammer this one-size-fits-all mentality to people who are likely to be socially awkward and possibly on the autism spectrum. Congruency and plausibility are essential to self-improvement, and skinny-fat, socially awkward geeks are just going to make fools of themselves by attempting to act ''alpha'', while disregarding their looks and presentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 04:28 PM
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One thing that people keep on ignoring, is that bodyfat % is far more important than muscle mass, in terms of attraction. The only real exception to this is if you're in full-on Auschwitz mode. A guy with average natural muscle mass won't really increase his attractiveness by going to the gym, but as long as he watches what he eats, he can be more attractive by lowering his bodyfat % into the attractive range. I would hazard a guess that most success stories from guys who lift are those who were…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:15 AM
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Stigmatisation - If she doesn't meet his social circle's approval, then he'll have to live with the shame and humiliation of his drunken decisions for ever. Higher n count - Not really an important factor for men or women. Pregnancy - The risk is the same for men, and the consequences - whilst different - are life-changing, and something that no man would risk if he were sober. Also, relating to the first point of stigmatisation: can you imagine the utter shame that a man would feel, not just by…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 07:53 PM
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Never mind Dr. Taylor's shirt, his arm tattoos scream white trash. He's clearly trying so, so hard to not be seen as a geek.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 07:45 PM
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The concept of demons and the devil are fanciful, because they lack evidence. There are, however, thousands of documented reasons which could explain the historical causes for the discrepancy in male and female reproductory success. The problem is that the causes are unrecorded, and impossible to find out, in the absence of a time machine. Consequently, any intellectual discussion about the subject is absolutely worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 07:33 PM
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but would you say the same thing if someone punches me in the face while I'm drunk and it goes to trial on my testimony alone? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 07:27 PM
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Who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 07:26 PM
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These all apply to men, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 07:22 PM
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Every single human is an emotionally driven dopamine-junkie, who craves pleasure, order and security.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 02:34 PM
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Most ''incels'' have sub-par intelligence, with some of them on the cusp of mental retardation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 02:28 PM
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If you wouldn't, explain why you would refuse to have sex with your incel friend? Like what would make you not want to do this? You've got to be a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 02:26 PM
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There was a story on the BBC the other day which showed that 75% of women would rather be women than men, an increase from the last supposed research. That kind of ''research'' is on a par with astrology and divining.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 02:18 PM
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there's conflicting evidence about whether gay men are happier than straight ones or not. Qualitative research like this is generally worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 12:14 PM
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It's interesting and some explanations are more likely than others. On what basis are you saying that some unobservable, unrepeatable, and unfalsifiable conjecture is ''more likely'' than other unobservable, unrepeatable, and unfalsifiable conjecture?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:54 AM
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What consequences? The only time that drunk sex is good for a man is if he's not in a relationship, she's not in a relationship, and if she's physically attractive, not in his social group, meets the approval of his friends, doesn't carry an STD, and doesn't become pregnant from the encounter. Unless all of those precise conditions are met, then the man will generally regret, and feel ashamed about, the sex from the night before.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:50 AM
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There are plenty of friendly occasions where this happens. And the consequences of that have equal impact on men and women. I'm not reading too much into it, as the first line of your OP directly states your view which I'm arguing against.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:41 AM
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Your first line suggests that a guy is looking for a girl to have sex with even when he's sober. so drunken sex isn't a big deal to him because he's doing something that he'd want to do when he was sober.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:19 AM
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I'm thinking many different scenarios, all the way from strangers to friends. But this first line of your OP seems to disprove that: Most men want sex with a woman no matter what they had to drink
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 11:11 AM
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False rape accusations relating to drunken sex are a legal problem. In reality, no accusations should stand up in court if the victim was intoxicated and there are no witnesses other than the victim and the accused. In regards to ''regret sex'', I think that you're thinking of a very precise scenario. eg. A drunk man meets and has sex with a drunk stranger who we would be sexually attracted to even if he were sober.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 10:33 AM
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I'm guessing that you're not a man!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 10:07 AM
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The point is that there are thousands of possible causes which we can imagine, which could explain the disparity, but we'll never know, so what's the point? You can't agree or disagree to any supposition, so there's just nothing to discuss or debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 10:06 AM
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Anything related to the development of evolution is worthless to argue about, because it's unfalsifiable. Maybe, a million years ago, boys were more likely to die prematurely or be stillborn?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 09:54 AM
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Genetic analysis may show that, but in the absence of a time machine, we have no idea of the historical causes for why such a discrepancy existed. This makes any kind of assessment about this information just worthless conjecture.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 09:02 AM
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Alcohol lowers inhibition, impairs judgement, and makes people horny. This is a perfect storm for ''regret sex'', and it affects men as much as women. I think men are held accountable more because they are generally the instigators of sex (drunk or sober), so they are the designated ''controller'' of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 08:53 AM
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Most men want sex with a woman no matter what they had to drink I disagree. Saturday and Sunday mornings are full of men waking up with deep regret about who is lying next to them. Men are just as likely to regret sex when they're sober, as women are. ''Regret sex'' is just part of the territory with alcohol and clubbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 08:12 AM
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Because once a woman gets her thighs and backside reasonably 'toned'' (which is not that difficult), it's just a question of maintaining, which is quite hard to motivate yourself for. Men tend to be far more motivated because every session is an opportunity to achieve something, even if it's just a 2.5kg or 2 rep increase on your previous best.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 08:00 AM
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You're clearly just coping. Unfortunately, your personal appraisal of your attractiveness is just some desperate, Dunning-Kruger shit. Please don't pretend that this mentality comes from anything other than constant rejection and failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 05:42 PM
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Nobody cares about incels. In real life, no-one gives a shit about them. They are pathetic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 02:34 PM
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Yeah, they're exactly the same kind of people, but I suppose the difference is that MGTOWs are still wallowing in their self-delusional positivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 01:31 PM
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Do ''most men'' pay for sex? I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 01:07 PM
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Men who totally reject women are like the Aesop fable of the fox and the grapes. No socially normal, passable looking man rejects the possibility despises women. The harsh fact is that the ''red pill'', MGTOW, and other manosphere movements consist of men who are ugly and/or have an unattractive personality and social manner. 95%+ of misogyny is caused by these kinds of people: sexually frustrated, unattractive men who resent and hate women because they get no attention or affection from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 01:04 PM
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incel subs, the MGTOW sub Is there a difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 12:52 PM
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r/TheBluePill is a subreddit which is intended to mock TRP, MGTOW, and other manosphere beliefs. That's it sole purpose. The use of ''blue pill'' for its title is clearly intended as a joke, to be the self-styled adversary of TRP. The sub is obviously not trying to promote the''blue pill'', as defined by TRP and the manosphere. This should be obvious. The fact that so many TRPers, MGTOWSers, and assorted others, struggle to grasp something so simple, speaks volumes as to why they end up in manos…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 12:49 PM
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I'm pretty sure that it's because PUA is unadulterated horseshit. Worse still, it could actually negatively affect the ''buyer'', because acting like PUAs advocate could well get you into trouble legally and socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 03:13 AM
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Affirmative consent codes/laws are the dumbest thing ever. It also helps to make her vag drier than the Atacama. As if both she could stay in the mood, or respect him, if he's constantly asking for permission to escalate sexual activity, every step of the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 03:07 AM
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I wasn't aware of that. Even so, that sounds more like some unscrupulous types exploiting the more gullible followers as a bonus, rather than the main reason for spreading TRP. I may be wrong, but I believe that PUA was started entirely for financial gain, and exploiting nerdy virgins was the original objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 12:32 AM
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I've yet to see any evidence that TRP has any kind of benefit at all. It just seems to be largely a coping mechanism, with adherents unquestioningly believing that it works, despite absolutely no tangible evidence to support it. It's PUA version 2.0, but whereas the PUA industry was selling snake-oil to gullible dweebs, there doesn't seem to be any financial scamming with TRP. So, it's quite peculiar and cult-like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 12:12 AM
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Once again, this is just an example of people completely overthinking things. Humans are carelessly roaming around without any grand scheme or plan for emotional or hormonal management. Sexual attraction is not something deep which we need to pontificate over. Decompartmentalising subconscious hormonal responses is a fruitless endeavour.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 10:21 PM
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The intersectional, sex positive versions of feminism actually talked about my problems, while team anti-feminism was furiously fapping off, and spamming outrage porn in an effort to impress its useless self. My team vs the other team, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 07:37 PM
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I live in the UK, and the debate is apparently at 2am here, and is being covered live by most of our 24-hour news channels. I think I'm going to have to stay up to watch this!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 07:16 PM
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I've always been too embarrassed to try it. It may work for some people, but it seems like waving the white flag, to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:44 PM
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This may be off-topic, but there's something I'm curious about in regards to Donald Trump, and these comments which he's made. I'm not from the USA, but as far as I'm aware, he's been a high-profile public figure for decades, who is renowned for his business failings, womanising, talking crap, sleaziness, and generally being a high-profile, controversial twat. Every facet of his life is pretty well-known and widely available to the public. These comments he made tally perfectly with what people …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:32 PM
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Dating advice is useless. If someone's seeking it, then they're clearly unattractive physically and/or personality-wise. Being told to smile more or not fold your arms isn't go help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:19 PM
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Ha! Nice try, but that's not really a good analogy. It's obvious that people will advocate for children, animals, the mentally disabled, the elderly who have lost their mental faculties, and any other group that cannot look after and protect themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:05 PM
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Half of all the issues on this sub would be solved if people just remembered and understood the simple fact that people are sexually attracted to who they are sexually attracted to. It's non-negotiable, and when that sexual attraction leads to the development of romantic feelings, then it's worthless debating any kind of ''rights'' or ''wrongs'' of the person who they are smitten for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 06:01 PM
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I support equality and fair treatment for gay people, but I'm not a self-declared gay rights advocate. It's the making a big deal out of supporting another group, and self-identifying with the other group, which is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:48 PM
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Being pro gay rights as part of a wider, egalitarian philosophy is not strange. Being a gay rights activist - when it doesn't affect you - sounds pretty strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:44 PM
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Not really. People will generally support other groups as part of their overall political philosophy. People from other groups may take a stronger stance if there's an egregious example of inequality, such as segregation or gay rights. I would find it extremely weird if a straight person proudly trumpeted that they were a gay rights activist, though. Just as it's weird for a man to declare himself a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 04:27 PM
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At its core, feminism is just a lobby group for the furtherance of women's interests. I can understand why women would identify with that, just as gay rights activists are generally gay, racial minority advocacy groups are supported by the race they are advocating for, etc. It just seems completely bizarre that there are men that self-identify as feminists, when there are ideologies (such as humanism) which cover their beliefs on gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 03:54 PM
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Most guys aren't having sex with a new girl every week and neither or most women. Even most hot guys and girls have average partner counts. I find it shocking that so many people have so little real-world experience that they don't understand this to be true. It seems that people lacking social skills and understanding of reality are infesting the internet with their ''authoritative'', pie-in-the-sky views on all social and political matters, and the next generation of socially awkward misfits a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 03:45 PM
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I can understand why a woman would self-identity as a feminist, but I cannot understand why a man would possibly do that. Although, the cynic in me thinks that sucking up to women, or a woman, is probably the motivating factor for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 03:38 PM
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In theory, RP boundaries are rigid, whereas BP boundaries are pliable and negotiable. This is one of the few aspects where I think that TRP is correct, although there does need to some slight circumstantial leeway, rather than the one-size-fits-all sledgehammer approach which TRP advocates for just about everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 06:36 AM
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There's obviously a massive difference between people who are good, nice and caring because they are genuinely empathetic and compassionate people, and those who present themselves as nice and ingratiate themselves towards others for expedient purposes, with the intention of gaining some kind of social advantage. I would imagine that genuine and empathetic nice people are evenly represented amongst ''alphas'' and ''betas'', whereas the expedient, fake nice people are overwhelmingly found amongst…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 06:22 AM
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For example, the idea that women have a tendency to care more about social status in a partner while men have a tendency to care more about youth in a partner---that's pretty red pill, and it has grounding in actual work by real academics. I'm not sure how this is evolutionary psychology. This seems just like ''psychology'', as any scientific study can only examine modern, currently evolved humans. Every inherent psychological trait is, by definition, the result of evolution. The historical reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 06:03 AM
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Are their claims testable, repeatable, or falsifiable? If not, then they are worthless pseudoscience. No-one knows - or can ever know (barring a time machine) - the social and sexual behaviour and relationships of our ancestors. It's guesswork, and consequently has no value whatsoever. The best glimpse we can get of how our societies were in the recent past is to observe the social and sexual behaviour of uncontacted and semi-contacted people around the world, and to look for common factors whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 05:46 AM
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Being taken down a peg or two socially is humiliating. Getting a blunt rejection is bound to make someone lash out or let off steam in some way. That's why normal people with empathy and a modicum of social skills opt for the soft rejection, where you don't outright tell the person that have no interest in dating them. Even if the rejectee quite rightly believes that the ''I have a boyfriend/girlfriend'' or ''I'm not looking for a relationship at the moment'' comment is an excuse, at least it wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:02 AM
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Is it really fair to blame the guy? It sounds to me like he just grew up watching rom coms and Disney films...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:47 AM
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The Black pill is seeing reality for what is: nihilistic, meaningless, and chaotic. It attempts to form conclusions on reality without sugar-coating and as with little bias as possible. The Red pill and the Blue pill have some valid points, but the problem is that adherents to these beliefs cloud reality with just world fallacies, wishful thinking, and uses these ideological beliefs as a coping mechanism to drown out harsh realities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:33 AM
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There's no nice guy shaming. The very fact that so many of them complain about being ''friendzoned'', shows that many women are happy to have them around, even though they are not sexually attracted to them. The only time I see nice guys mocked is when they flip out in angry, misogynistic outbursts after they find out that their crush doesn't reciprocate their feelings. And they are quite correctly shamed for this, as this displays arrogance, narcissism, entitlement, and hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 02:55 PM
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Wish we had a Trump in Europe Nigel Farage fits the bill in the UK, and look what he managed to achieve against all the odds!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 12:00 AM
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On the other hand, some republicans have had ridiculous scandals and are still prominent figures. I'm not super polically savvy, but didn't Newt Gingrich have an affair while his wife was dying of cancer? And Herman Cain had a handful of women come forward about sexual assault allegations. A lot of had affairs with prostitutes, even gay ones. But those scandals would rule themselves out of being serious presidential candidates. The religious right are a huge factor in the Republican party, but T…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:03 PM
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Are you telling me you think the majority of men do not enjoy it when an attractive women take initiative or the girl-on-top position? A man who enjoys being submissive when a woman straddles her is just playacting and willingly suspending disbelief. If he wanted to, he could just throw her off and toss her away at any point. There's a difference between that playacting, and the very real submission which women partake in during sex. So many women get turned on by the thrill of completely giving…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:59 PM
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I'm not an American, but it seems to me that Trump's candidacy has thrown the rule-book out of the window. Everyone (except nearly half of Americans) seems to know that it's a complete and utter joke that a guy like him is anywhere near becoming a leader of a major Western country. I think that he's not held to normal standards because people have low opinions and expectations of him in the first place. I don't believe that a traditional Republican candidate would get away with having 5 children…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:44 PM
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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 05:56 PM
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Yeah, football (soccer) players have a lithe, athletic body which look very similar to the bodies of young men of isolated hunter-gatherer peoples. I think that it's just the sweet spot of strength, mobility, and endurance which is why that kind of body has turned out to be the most attractive. There's a level of muscularity that just looks ''unnatural'' and unattractive, even if the person isn't using steroids. And that level is what most bodybuilders are naively striving for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 04:50 PM
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I don't think that it's pointless. It's just that people should assess their bone structure, and try to achieve a body which fits that. A footballer's body is generally the most universally appealing to women, and that doesn't require huge amounts of muscle, and also can be achieved regardless of bone structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 03:27 PM
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I'm sure that's more in principle rather than practice. You might get into trouble on the street, but you won't get in trouble by using prostitutes who advertise online.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 02:37 PM
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The confusion arises from the fact that r/TheBluePill co-opted the name of the pre-existing blue pill concept, yet they aren't actually posting blue pill ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 12:53 PM
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I think a lot of ''incels'' get confused by the reason for the hostility which they are met with. If someone struggles to have sex, then absolutely no-one cares about this. Therefore, people's views on ''incelism'' are neutral. As no-one knows or cares about the sex life of strangers, we are only alerted to ''incels'' by them commenting on the internet. The ''incels'' who comment on the internet generally display qualities which are sure to antagonise and rile up most people. For example: • The …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 12:38 PM
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Because it's human nature to get irritated by other people's behaviour and actions, no matter how minor or inconsequential it may be. Self-declared ''incels'' push irritabality buttons in the same way as adults dressing as babies do. Logically, people who wear nappies and bonnets as some sort of sexual fetish aren't harming anyone, but they still cause some kind of instant anger and revulsion in a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 12:06 PM
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They have to keep concepts and definitions nebulous to perpetuate the charade. If they were precise about their concepts and definitions, then they would be easily falsified, and their house of cards would come crashing down.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 12:00 PM
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The reason why so-called ''incels'' are irritating is because they have an easy option of removing their celibacy by seeing a prostitute, lowering their standards, and just actually trying to do something to get laid. Their self-indulgent, entitled, narcissistic whining grates to everyone else, yet they lack the wit to realise that being a professional victim makes you instantly unlikable. Ultimately, no-one cares whether some random person gets laid or not. Literally nobody gives a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:48 AM
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Blue Pill and Red Pill ideology are pretty extreme and delusional. And dedicated incel subs are full of hate and aimless hyperbolic trolling. I'm guessing that purported ''incels'' come here as it's a more reasonable and honest environment than other alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 11:42 AM
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The points were good and the discussion would have been interesting, but the OP went OTT with the aggression and swearing. I can understand why it was locked, but I largely agree with the OP there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:41 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/554vd4/both_trp_and_tbp_are_full_of_shit/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:35 AM
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That locked thread on the front page pretty much echoes my thoughts, and why I discuss here. It seems to me that TRP and TBP are a horseshoe, with their beliefs becoming more delusional and entrenched over time. PPD is a reasonable sub where all spheres can congregate and discuss these issues without bias, so that's why I read and post here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:31 AM
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There is no excuse for being alone, as there are numerous people in the same boat who you could get into a mutually beneficial relationship with. Once again, it's self-delusion and high standards which are the problems. People are lonely through choice. Being shy is not much of a disadvantage for men or women. By ''socially awkward'', I thought you meant things like blushing, not being able to carry a conversation, making clumsy social faux pas, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:17 AM
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Some people will remain alone, but how much of that is due to their passivity and unrealistic standards? Social awkwardness is just as bad for women as men, in terms of LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 09:00 AM
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A close friend or family member would suffice. If that's not possible, then anonymous strangers on the internet would work as well (if you look in the right places). ''Therapists'' are just glorified agony aunts and uncles, that people pay through their nose to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:55 AM
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Yes, but trust me, some guys don't interest any girl. I see unattractive couples all the time. 2s and 3s dating each other is very common. People intuitively develop an understanding of what their ''league'' is, and they presumably find partners within their range to be sexually attractive. Do you not think that an ugly and socially awkward girl may be a suitable match for these guys that you mention?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:46 AM
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She can have her pick of men, she's gorgeous and filthy rich. Why the hell would she spend any time with a man if he wasn't a feminist? Because sexual attraction is non-political.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 08:35 AM
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You have really bad reading comprehension skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 10:25 PM
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No, it's just the simple fact that poor areas are just the result of natural selection. Parents with a good attitude, and an emphasis on education and morality, are unlikely to be found in poor areas. How did they end up there in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:57 PM
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And your argument would be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:42 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:38 PM
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If it helps you with life, then I suggest that you continue with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:33 PM
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Nowhere did I generalise that someone would behave in a certain way if they were from a particular background.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:30 PM
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Seriouly, how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:27 PM
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If you like a woman who gets filmed for the entire world to watch her getting double penetrated by two unfeasibly large cocks, then a pornstar would be a good choice. The likes of Emma Watson are feminists in name only. I'm sure that her 1.90m rugby playing boyfriend totally respected her feminism... or maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:22 PM
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Are false equivalence fallacies endemic to this subreddit? Deary me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:03 PM
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If it wasn't CBT, it was those 2 psychiatrists, but I'm pretty sure it was the CBT, as I've used it for other things since with the same results. You're pretty much confirming that it's a placebo...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:00 PM
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''Doing better for yourself'' will manifest in different ways, depending on your upbringing, parental affection, and environment,
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:54 PM
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How do you know that it's impossible if you haven't even tried?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:50 PM
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It's not a harsh view, but just reality. People who grow up in poverty, and who achieve something in their life, move out of poor areas, leaving those who don't achieve anything to remain in poor areas. It's just natural selection on a social level.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:47 PM
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Of course, a woman makes it blatantly obvious when she's interested in a man. But, it's more of an enticement and invitation for the man to make a move. If he fails to make a move, then she's not really going to force the issue, and she'll just forget about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:37 PM
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This is just self-indulgent horseshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:29 PM
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What I mean is a real-world example, rather than a hypothetical one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:27 PM
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You've ''read'' about them? The internet isn't real life. Women aren't going to approach average guys for sexual or romantic relationships. ''Incels'' are too scared of the potential social humiliation to approach or escalate with women. It's pretty obvious why they are celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:25 PM
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It's possible to work towards a goal, but it's not possible to complain about situations which you face before you have achieved that goal. For goodness sake, if you're fat and need to lose 10-20kg, then you've identified a major problem, and you can't logically be butthurt that you're not getting laid because you're ''trying to improve yourself''. Deary me. If a guy only finds 6+ women attractive, then that's just tough shit, and reaffirms the view that purported ''incels'' are entitled and hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:19 PM
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There's absolutely nothing there which couldn't couldn't be achieved by a heart-to-heart with a close friend or family member. So-called CBT is just a placebo, as are all other recommendations. People only benefit from the advice of ''therapists'' because they are desperate and some ''feel good'' talk motivates them because they see their ''therapist'' as an authority on life, and everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 08:12 PM
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That means that 70% of people have no right to complain about their lack of sexual or romantic partners. The only way that 20-40% could be remotely true is if you count the elderly and retirees. Otherwise, you are just pulling that figure out of your arse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:59 PM
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He may be weak from your ivory tower, but down here there's a real world which we live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:55 PM
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Of course people won't go with someone who they don't like. But people intuitively grow up to understand what their league is, and their attraction gets modified accordingly. A sub-5 girl would be more than receptive to an average looking incel. Why don't prostitutes count?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:54 PM
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There's no excuse for this in the internet age. If you have any kind of passion or hobby, then you can find local people who share your interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:47 PM
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Why ''especially in the US''? Escaping poverty is largely down to luck. If you're fortunate enough to have a family with the objective of bettering you morally and educationally, then you have a good chance. The harsh truth is that parents with this kind of attitude are unlikely to be poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:44 PM
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''Therapists'' are charlatans. The only benefit people get from therapy is catharsis; but they could achieve that by letting it all out to any confidant. Socialphobia is overcome by changing your attitude and mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:39 PM
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Have you got an example of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:36 PM
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Yeah, but online dating bears no resemblance to the real world. It's like going shopping for a romantic partner with the huge advantage of anonymity, no societal implications, and no face-to-face interactions. Online dating sites have little relevance to real life, and it's ludicrous to extrapolate anything from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:35 PM
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Of course it has no impact on who you find attractive. Marriage, however, is a very public display of whom you find attractive, and an open invitation for societal judgement. It's hard to say that the man is weak when the majority of people would do the same. Fear of social ostracisation is the only force strong enough to limit sexual urges.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 06:36 PM
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Because poverty is a multi-faceted problem, where upbringing and education play a huge part which is very difficult for someone to correct in their adult life. No-one is going to give you an easy chance of making money. Lack of sex, however, is just the willing inability to partake in an activity which is easily affordable and/or accessible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 06:23 PM
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This is ludicrous, and one of the worst examples of the false equivalence fallacy which I've ever read.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 06:00 PM
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The only thing which is wrong with them is that they lack the balls to even try and get in a situation with a woman where sex could result from it. That is the bottom line.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 05:57 PM
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Because the term is fucking ludicrous, and sums up the delusion, self-indulgence, and narcissism of those who use it. You can get a prostitute for the equivalent of a few days welfare money. I'm pretty sure that there are numerous 1-3/10 women who would gladly have sex with most ''incel'' guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 05:52 PM
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If he's reasonably attractive, then the assumption will be that he has more than one option for a wife. People will assume that he's weak and that the masculine woman ''wears the trousers'' in the relationship. People generally want to please their families and make their parents proud. So that plays a big factor in who you ''can'' or ''cannot'' marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 05:47 PM
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So-called ''incels'' are just men who are preoccupied with what others think of them, and are too timid to opt for ''risk'' in a risk vs. reward scenario. They are generally too average looking for a woman to lay sex on a plate for them, but will never approach a woman because they fear the perceived social humiliation of rejection. So they reach an impasse. They only have themselves to blame, and just need to grow some balls.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 05:35 PM
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People always downplay the fact that social judgement is a huge factor in deciding whether you marry or LTR someone. If a man is reasonably attractive, then he'll be negatively judged if he marries a masculine woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 05:30 PM
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I'd say somewhere around 21-25. People saying 30+ are just trying to cope with the harsh reality that their prime has been and gone. I say 21-25, as that's generally the sweet spot where your features have masculinised and ageing is so gradual that there's no discernible deterioration of skin quality. I read somewhere that 30% of men are either bald or noticeably balding by the time they hit 30. So that's nearly a third of all men whose prime was before they were 30 (when they had a full head of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 03:10 PM
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Women being passive and waiting for a man to make a move is the most sensible strategy, and I'm assuming it has a mostly genetic base considering this is how most other mammals behave. It helps to sort the wheat from the chaff.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 02:52 PM
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Women will generally support a man if he displays weakness, but he'll go down in her estimations somewhat. The default position for a man is to be strong and stoic, and any deviation from this will see him lose some degree of respect from other people. The problem is that once you show weakness, then that's it. There's no coming back from that. Everyone who witnessed the display of weakness now know that you have a breaking point, and their future view of you will always have this knowledge in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 02:48 PM
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I think someone can only really be a 10 if you have developed feelings for them. Like when you have a crush on someone and, at the time, genuinely think that they are the most beautiful girl in the world. The truth is that there is a ceiling for beauty, and beautiful women who reach this ceiling are not uncommon, and are a much of a muchness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 02:41 PM
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The obvious difference is that there's no practical disadvantage for men and women just to pursue their genetic mating behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 09:01 PM
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It's very difficult to adapt and change against something which is in our genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 08:46 PM
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The only age mismatched relationships like this are generally an unattractive younger woman hooking up with a 40-year-old ''daddy'' Middle-aged men are sexually invisible to young women. Unless a 40-something looks like Jared Leto, then he has absolutely no chance to score with an attractive young woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 08:05 PM
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Humans are animals. We don't question standardised male and female courtship behaviour and rituals amongst our mammalian cousins.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 07:53 PM
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No-one cares about virgins or incels. You're overthinking this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 07:42 PM
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