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MALE DEPRAVITYBlacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/03/21 03:00 AM
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MALE DEPRAVITYBlacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/05/20 05:36 AM
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NICE FOR WHAT?Blacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy13/12/20 01:54 AM
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ROAST-A-SCROTEBlacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/01/20 04:14 AM
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QUEEN SH*TBlacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy25/12/19 11:51 PM
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NAH, SISBlacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/02/20 08:06 PM
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Blacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/10/19 01:07 AM
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NICE FOR WHAT?Blacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/01/21 05:21 AM
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MALE DEPRAVITYBlacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy13/12/20 04:51 AM
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MOOD FOR LIFEBlacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy30/06/20 10:27 PM
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Blacktontonguetoffee/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/10/19 01:18 AM
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Lmao my FATHER just tried this shit not too long ago after I was in a tough spot.and I was like honestly if you’re going to hold something over my head or mention anytime YOU want something from me, just take it back honestly I don’t give a fuck lol. Hasn’t mentioned anything since.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/03/21 05:27 PM
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Ugh. Yes. This is what makes me mad. Same as renting fucking space. Like no. Fuck that. I want to OWN my own space. Fuck outta here.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/03/21 07:14 AM
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Baby, don’t we all just want to be loved? Especially for who we are ? What we are? Edit words words words blah blah blah
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/03/21 04:38 AM
26

Yes. Agreed. Completely. Edit: let’s not say ‘of course she will.’ Bc not OF COURSE she WILL. That’s taking control of power one has over you, except yourself Edit:I 100% agree the onus is on BOTH. For accepting it and being viable to the result of continued repository alignment.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/03/21 04:25 AM
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It’s honestly so fucking sad. And like the fact it’s being discussed in MIXED company. This man don’t give a shit. If they get married, they’ll get divorced guaranteed. The coworker is also NOT married to his gf and I don’t think has ANY plans to do so. Horrifying.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/03/21 03:30 AM
3

Right? Once their husband finally had to get that itch scratched by a younger woman who gave him the time of day
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy28/02/21 03:11 AM
2

Lmao the same happens to me. Even worse when they’re ‘male’ dominated hobbies. Archery, car stuff, snowboarding lol whatever. It’s like are these not just hobbies and not gendered 😂
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy28/02/21 12:59 AM
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It really seems to me that her mother probably instilled a lot of man wisdom on her or that she is a very acute and observant person (perhaps the personality type infj) even as a child, who noticed patterns and put things together. Bc 10 Altho learning and growing that is quite a statement to make pretty adamantly at such an age. Not to mention her reaction where you can honestly, clearly see her like hearing his response but still sticking to her own convictions. I hear what you’re saying sir, …
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/02/21 12:43 AM
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😂 yes
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy21/02/21 09:49 PM
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Lol literally my first thought
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/02/21 09:11 AM
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A friend recently got this and also highly recommended it!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/02/21 07:26 AM
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Girl. It’s amazing you posted this. I’m not religious but spiritual and had sort of an ‘awakening’ of sorts of just the same that your experiencing atm. I’m still sitting with it myself and not sure how to feel. Hope it makes you not feel alone at least 😕
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy02/02/21 09:06 PM
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Hey I’m a pretty good long distance friend if I do say so myself! Working on my own issues and past traumas and very rarely use anyone as a therapist! 😅 and if you like man rants and life rants feel free to dm & maybe we can exchange snaps!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/01/21 02:55 AM
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Call yourself sunshine now 🌞
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy19/01/21 10:13 PM
35

Tears give us the cleansing we need sometimes. 🥲 keep moving forward sunshine 😊🌻
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy19/01/21 08:20 PM
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I’m not a troll or trying to be facetious. I’m quite active here. Does this apply for all people then?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/01/21 12:16 AM
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It’s me.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/01/21 12:15 AM
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Lol so sorry about it 🤷🏼‍♀️😂
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy12/01/21 07:30 PM
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Lmao ouch. Probably yes, But that’s not op’s fault.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy12/01/21 06:17 AM
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If being a high value grandpa to you Is what he could do and has done for you as a next generation he has done his duty and deserves his accolades. If he has done better than any man than what HE was shown. He has done very, very well for himself and for you. :)
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy12/01/21 03:52 AM
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Honestly this is some of the reason I got out of the beauty industry myself. Good conscience I couldn’t keep making 12 year olds look 25
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 04:51 PM
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Yes.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 01:40 AM
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I agree with you.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 01:39 AM
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Pitting women against women is a man thing. Perpetuated by men. Followed by unknowing women.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 01:38 AM
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I dress like a hobo and nothing stops them.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 01:19 AM
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Exactly. Be comfortable and express PROPER boundaries or not have a job? I understand why women make the decisions they do sometimes.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 01:11 AM
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Unfortunately women are made to be afraid to have boundaries esp in career settings.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 01:10 AM
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And that’s on period.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 01:09 AM
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Lmao like the man I once knew who ‘forgot’ he took off the condom. Ugh hilarious! /s
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 01:09 AM
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Fuck this. WE don’t need to do better. WE just need to stop accepting this fucking shit.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/01/21 12:58 AM
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I choke on my own spit and trip over my own feet. You’re not special 😂
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy10/01/21 04:19 AM
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The is the best advice OP. Animals and other people are nice and all but truly, life IS lonely. Everyone is lonely & everyone has their own things going on. And when it becomes overwhelming lucky you’re in a time where there are many platforms to reach out and not feel as lonely. :)
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/01/21 05:08 AM
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No? Top left?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy05/01/21 04:23 AM
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What’s that dainty silver with the sun and moon? I think? *star
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/01/21 11:39 PM
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Oh I’m not sure I don’t visit those subs tbh. It was interesting bc it was written from the perspective of a man who kind of ‘infiltrated’ the PUA scam artists and a like deep dive into the behind the scenes things and from the writers perspective. Mostly that most men, are just incredibly insecure and haven’t been given tools or resources to be like mature men not thinking with their dicks, esp since most of them would be what society would probably deem as ‘losers’ or ‘less than’ I found the w…
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/01/21 06:43 PM
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UPDATE: 😂 first the comment was edited to remove female then deleted completely. It makes me smile 😂
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/01/21 07:38 AM
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Same reading The Game really changed my perspective
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy03/01/21 07:49 PM
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Lmao I received a message last night too. Not from anyone particularly special or that I saw for any significant amount of time (two dates) it was fairly nice; ‘thank you for letting us get to know eachother more’ - Although I have some suspicions that it might have been brought about bc of a conversation I had with a mutual friend - I ‘friend zoned’ him lol which I let BOTH of them know doesn’t fucking exist lololol but really deep down, or not so deep down. I know it’s just an attempt at an ‘i…
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy01/01/21 05:47 PM
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I would say exactly that. Outlook is not tinder and I’m not at work looking to date. What he did is inappropriate and there’s no question about it. Bring it up to hr.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy31/12/20 08:47 PM
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Lmao I like this post better than the rings ones. Congratulations to you! 🥳
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy30/12/20 09:48 PM
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It’s sad that now this dad has to question his own value and the value he has for his daughter bc of BOY CHILD. Infuriating.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy29/12/20 05:01 PM
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I like this but why does it have to be another man who has to correct the behavior. Like why can men not just listen to a woman? Esp his wife?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy28/12/20 02:20 PM
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Yes.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/12/20 12:05 AM
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The relationship you’ll never regret! Congratulations!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy25/12/20 07:07 PM
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Exactly. Breaking down love and affection to FIVE categories. Love and affection encompasses a lot more that ONE love language.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy24/12/20 03:37 AM
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He probably prefers this then now he doesn’t have to uphold the title of ‘good & proud father’ by providing her with basic/not so basic needs if necessary. Y’a know which became his responsibility when she was born.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy23/12/20 10:44 PM
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Idk who you are but I love you and keep chanting spells.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/12/20 05:01 AM
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Apologies there’s another post. He said ‘he was married and shit’ the other post has my response to him being married: Wtf are you married then? Jfc you men, just fucking divorce her so she can go live her best life too instead of trapping her in lies and garbage & stop trying to live out your horny teenage/middle age fantasies. I hope your wife finds out and that she finds someone better looking (easy), richer, has a bigger dick and treats her even better than she deserves. Be lucky I don’t dig…
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy13/12/20 05:19 AM
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This random name would pop up every now and then on my snap chat & I think I asked him before like who he was a didnt get answer? Or something? Idk but unadded him, he was back around recently on my ‘other snap chatters’ so I added him back tn and just asked like hey who are you? Honestly I thought maybe it might be like an ex with maybe a fake name or something so I told him to send me a picture. Which he did, not the ex or any ex, okay great. Not a good looking guy at all either. Hitting that …
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy13/12/20 03:09 AM
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This is so fucking disgusting
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy10/12/20 05:34 PM
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It was more a clarification for my own piece of mind, not towards you specifically:) just if anyone else happened to say anything
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy10/12/20 02:11 PM
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UGH I HAVE ALWAYS INEXPLICABLY HATED WHEN MEN CALL WOMEN FEMALES. Like instant hate. Ugh. CAN WE PLEASE JUST CALL THEM MALES FROM NOW ON. K THANKS.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy09/12/20 11:01 PM
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If this says anything, it shows that women are fucking amazingly patient, kind, beautiful and resilient creatures. Could be construed as dumb as well, but let’s build our fellow woman up. These traits shouldn’t be negatives. They only become negative when people take advantage. Edit clarification
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy09/12/20 10:51 PM
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Like what in the ever living fuck. How is this real.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy09/12/20 10:50 PM
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My father regularly watches lesbian porn but cannot accept that his step niece married a woman or is in fact a lesbian bc she is one and not so men can watch. 🙄
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy09/12/20 04:58 PM
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💯
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy08/12/20 12:43 AM
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Also I am slightly jealous of all these lurker dms people get whhhyyyy I no get?!? Am I not controversial enough??
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy08/12/20 12:09 AM
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Lmao it’s like that IS wonderful for you bro. Now look at other men your age are they doing that, you’re in the minority here 😂 and he WILL hit a wall physically. He may just have MONEY to fix it or to pay women 💁🏼‍♀️
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy08/12/20 12:07 AM
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Girl. I’m sorry but I find it hard to believe you find this behavior shocking. Seems like he is quite used to talking that way. Maybe not TO you. But damn. This is a lot of wow.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy08/12/20 12:04 AM
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Big oof.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy08/12/20 12:02 AM
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I too am 35, soonish to be 36 and I could have written this word for literal word. Facts are facts ladies. Stay awake, your life is ahead of you and already upon you. ❤️ Edit spelling
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy08/12/20 12:00 AM
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Nah see make them make them effort. Tell them you have a ps5 (you don’t) have them do whatever to acquire it and then tell them, you were just joking. Lol.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy25/11/20 02:09 AM
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The real radical idea would be to wear the lingerie or be the naked or wear the thong; without shaving, without the makeup, without the bra and without care of what anyone thinks. 💃🏼
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/11/20 06:19 AM
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I’m 35 and still get creeped on, on the daily. There’s no ceiling for creeps.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy03/11/20 01:48 AM
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Yes! I have a whole car dance routine for it. The Man is another good one! Bc if I was a man, I’d be the man ;)
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy25/10/20 03:26 AM
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I laugh bc it’s true.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy23/10/20 11:27 PM
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Me whenever I have sex. They’re lucky I dont bite their heads off after. *edit afterthought
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy22/10/20 10:42 PM
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Tis true! FDS has done a lot for me in all my relationships. And sometimes we still ‘find the good’ in people, but learning to reevaluate some of that or certain relationships too. I can count my supportive and appreciative friends/family on 1 hand basically. But as we always say - Quality over Quantity! ❤️
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy21/10/20 08:45 PM
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Just made my ‘friend’ dinner bc she was going to be staying for a couple nights, she didn’t eat it and instead said she wanted something ordered. Has kind of put me off women friends too 😂 🙃
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy21/10/20 07:00 PM
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Jesus Christ. A 3 minute max time. Wow, we’re some lucky ladies for that whole 3 minutes. Altho with real sex you know that average is less. 🙄
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy15/10/20 10:13 PM
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This is absolutely fucking true. 100%. Should have noticed the pattern before from a parent but YES. A million times yes. If someone destroys YOUR shit or treats it less than their own in any way. Leave.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy12/10/20 07:43 PM
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It’s not rude. It facts. But learning is learning. No need shame anyone, esp not women.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy03/10/20 12:19 AM
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The women who went all out to get back child support. I support her.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy24/09/20 02:12 AM
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I wrote a book, kind of a pocket guide for any age. There is some language but it helps break down a lot of the patriarchal values that men and women have both grown accustomed to as well as satire/humor for the men and boys we tend to encounter most esp online but def in person! If you want the title let me know :)
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy08/09/20 12:07 AM
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Normalize not marrying shit men just bc you ‘want’ to get married
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy31/08/20 03:25 AM
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This started about 5 years ago, documenting the type of men we always seem to some across. It turned into more over time. I found you all about a year or so ago and it really made me hunker down and do the damn thing, for myself. FDS is specifially mentioned near the end, bc the philosophies stand true. I hope you all enjoy.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy30/06/20 10:28 PM
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Is a HVW still a HVW if she’s dated or entertained LVM in the past? Short answer: Yes. Could be. You need more information than just past relationships.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy20/06/20 04:44 PM
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I hate this.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy20/05/20 02:31 AM
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Unfortunately the bots are nicer and less sexual than the real men.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy18/05/20 05:19 AM
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Ugh! SAME!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy13/05/20 08:55 PM
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It’s all over dating apps. I refuse to listen bc I see so many MEN with #callherdaddy. So I automatically kind of assumed the info given can’t be THAT great.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy13/05/20 08:54 PM
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Nah he got roasted. No one, absolutely no one in that sub cares about this degenerates opinion on the matter.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/05/20 04:59 PM
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My question is: “how can we permanently remove you from society?”
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/05/20 04:58 PM
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I think my favorite is the title ... “ This will be controversial...” His reply to mine was “look I said it’s be controversial maybe this post isnt for you” lile maybe this isn’t the place to post it. Do an AMA or post in a fetish sub, I’m sure there are plenty of them without you going to a SPECIFIC stop smoking sub. Gtfo.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/05/20 04:51 PM
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EXACTLY. NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR FETISHES. ESPECIALLY WHEN IM JUST TRYING TO GET SUPPORT WITH QUITTING SMOKING.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/05/20 04:47 PM
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Now the young ones can’t even keep it up. I’ve had a 44 year old with a rock hard dick that couldn’t cum and a 28 year old with a sad softie that once hard came in 2 seconds. Like boys you. Are. Pathetic. The lot of you. Both heavy into porn masturbation. Lol never ever again
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/05/20 04:57 AM
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I think with the “secret” one there’s at least 7
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/02/20 10:28 PM
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I bet that’s 100% cz and probably a Walmart or Kmart ring. Which not downing on BUT 14 years dating and all the other shit? Pass. HARD PASS.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/02/20 10:08 PM
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I don’t believe so 🙄
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/02/20 08:38 PM
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patienceisavirtue tag 🤢more like #patienceisalonggrownoutnaturalnail
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/02/20 08:17 PM
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I know. The whole thing is just ick
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/02/20 08:15 PM
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Tell me about it. That growth on that one 😱
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/02/20 08:15 PM
4

I feel like this will help me with smoking! Thank you inadvertently!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy08/01/20 01:27 AM
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An acquired taste
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/01/20 01:34 AM
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This whole thing is a god damn mess. You haven’t even exchanged numbers but you’ve slept with him twice? You’re an option for him. Unmatch, block. Move on.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/01/20 08:01 AM
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Honestly I would also like to know. Psychology speaking probably bc they haven’t ever had the same amount of criticism that women receive from men & anyone, they never do 🙃
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/01/20 06:28 AM
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He’s in the little leagues when we’re looking for those major leaguers.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/01/20 06:26 AM
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I always compare the relationships I have with my friends. How would my friend actually treat me In This situation. Most of friends are women, so I feel it puts a higher expectation on the men I date. I used to tell my friends get you a guy who treats you like I do. I’d be the best bf to you. Like true support, always. Doing things to be nice or because I care for you, or takes a small stress off your life. *edit: words
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy03/01/20 05:07 AM
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Online dating
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy03/01/20 04:55 AM
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Usually we’re kind of not with Bumble here. It already has you putting in effort that is not necessary. Try for ones that allow the man to message you first. 100% agree tho. Attractive men are not usually on dating apps. Try and pick up a hobby and improve yourself and get yourself out there more. Flirt with everyone!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy19/12/19 01:29 AM
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Your confidence says more about you. Start with what you can. Dress well for your shape, take care of your hair and face. You can always demand a hvm if you choose to. There may be other aspects to work on but your body isn’t the only thing making you a hvw.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy17/12/19 11:29 PM
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I have a fella I’ve been seeing who lives 2 and a half hours away and has come up just to spend a few hours with me. There’s no real excuses. I’d move along. *Edit: i didn’t read everything. Obviously he has had things going on. Just be cautious and keep your eyes open. People show you who they are.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy17/12/19 11:03 PM
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Lol fuuuuuck this. Just went on a second date with someone and at one point I looked in a mirror came back to him and said “do you ever look at yourself and you’re like damn I’m cute?”. He literally loved it and anything else I said I felt good about with myself. My legs, personality, face whatever. And would literally laugh and say I love the confidence. Sounds like this guy likes to fuck with people who have low self confidence so he can probably control them or make them feel bad. Pass!
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy09/12/19 10:07 PM
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It begs the question why the men got Adam’s apples though? Been lying since the beginning 🙄
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy07/11/19 07:22 PM
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I do this.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy04/11/19 04:43 AM
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Paying for dates shows interest with time & money. Showing a higher commitment to getting to know someone as a person, as opposed to cheap drinks & hookups.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy01/11/19 09:26 PM
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It’s already in you ;)
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy30/10/19 08:32 PM
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This response is everything in life.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy30/10/19 03:47 AM
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I am not OP but I would guess having your own hobbies, desires, passions, friends. Not purposely “busy” (well sometimes) - but having a full & valuable life outside of your relationship.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy27/10/19 10:03 PM
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Had a situation just a couple days ago. I know it seemed and came off “crazy”. Let’s say “spontaneous “ as a positive word. Surprised the fuck out of the guy. Knew I meant business.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/10/19 04:26 AM
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Leave.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/10/19 01:21 AM
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Girl. Same.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/10/19 01:00 AM
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You know what I honestly wonder now, being older, is what happened to her to come to that conclusion. From what I understand and know my grandfather has been her only boyfriend/husband.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/10/19 12:55 AM
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There’s literally hundreds of subreddits where men talk this way and WAY worse about women. Is there degradation? No. There is coming to terms with how a lot, if not most men behave. No one is making them the villain, they aren’t victims.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy26/10/19 12:41 AM
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I don’t particularly like to “lie” just in general, but I definitely don’t offer up information. Or if asked a question a simple “I don’t feel comfortable answering that” or just plain “It’s not really your business” tends to work. And if someone gets pissy about it, it’s not really my problem tbh.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy25/10/19 07:35 PM
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My grandma told me once & I don’t remember exactly why simply, “Boys lie”. I never really realized how true it really is until recently. Glad to have learned it though.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy24/10/19 07:34 AM
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Tbh why would I be serious about that, honestly?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/10/19 04:30 AM
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Actually it’s called a joke or satire bc of the amount of people who think it’s cool to just send their genitals. So edit: bc you’re wrong.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/10/19 03:55 AM
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Also gtfo with your tired, kicked out of groups ass. There’s probably a reason. *spelling
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/10/19 03:23 AM
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At 11:11pm I think not. But appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/10/19 03:12 AM
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I mean I’ll collect them and make a book someday. But I have never requested a dick 3 minutes into a “conversation”.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy11/10/19 01:39 AM
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