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Social IssuesBoogersAndSugar/r/MensRights21/04/24 08:20 PM
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Yep. Just the sudden shift in male spending/working habits alone would devastate the economy. No children of their own to spend money on, no spending money on things they otherwise wouldn't buy, just to "attract" women...If the number of guys who've given up on dating grows too large, it's gonna cause a LOT more problems than people think.
/r/MensRights17/05/24 12:33 AM
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All this manhate stuff is gonna backfire HARD over the coming years. We're already seeing a trend where unhinged guys just walk up to random women and punch them, and I suspect that's only the beginning. But those incel dudes won't be the worst of it. What women _really_ need to be concerned about are the normal guys - law-abiding, nonviolent, mentally healthy.... All they have to do is drop out of the dating game in large enough numbers. With no hope of getting married or starting families, the…
/r/MensRights05/05/24 04:21 PM
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WOW! My heart goes out to you, man :(. Other than that, I'm genuinely at a loss for words...the whole situation was beyond messed up.
/r/MensRights05/05/24 04:07 PM
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They're getting more and more like North Korea, where people get punished for not showing the proper emotions.
/r/MensRights04/05/24 07:16 PM
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I've grown somewhat optimistic that generations Z and Alpha may be the ones that finally stand up to them in large enough numbers. It's gotten to the point where the manosphere doesn't even really need to "spread the message" anymore. Women's own behavior is doing all the work for us :). Plus as women's standards keep rising, it leaves more and more young men struggling to attract anyone at all. We're well on our way to reaching the point where 1/3 of the entire male population decides to just w…
/r/MensRights30/04/24 07:02 PM
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Feminism is literally narcissism in political form. In fact it's mainly narcissists and sociopaths who become 'social justice' activists.
/r/MensRights30/04/24 06:47 PM
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Right now, guys in general are simps. But just wait and see what happens in the next 20 years. The rise of "incels" spaces over the last 10 years isn't a coincidence. A man today has to work twice as hard to attract a woman whose half as good, and the number of young men struggling in the dating game is rising exponentially as women's standards keep going up. Eventually we're gonna get to the point where 30% of the entire male population says "to Hell with this!" and walks away from women entire…
/r/MensRights30/04/24 06:45 PM
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NO SHIT violence against women is getting worse. But they'll never admit it's because they've gotten so much nastier. So a guy who already has problems controlling his temper is gonna be more likely to do something stupid.
/r/MensRights28/04/24 08:28 PM
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Waitaminute....PHYSICAL CASTRATION?!? Look, rapists deserve to hang and all, but actual literal castration? Doesn't that violate the whole 'cruel and UNUSUAL punishment' thing?? And is anyone worried about what legal precedents stuff like this can set?
/r/MensRights28/04/24 08:23 PM
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Violence is gonna get a whole lot more common over the next 20 years, and women/media/academia are gonna have a shit fit once they realize their propaganda/shaming/gaslighting tactics will do nothing to stop that trend. We have a new generation of boys who've grown up with constant male bashing, constant rejection in dating, and no real hope of a future due to the skyrocketing cost of living. Eventually Big Government will go full police-state in the name of "making society safe for women again"…
/r/MensRights20/04/24 07:26 PM
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What's modern "feminism's" end goal? Exclude all unattractive/short men from public society and turn them into an unseen, unheard slave class whose only purpose is to provide the taxes to support the lives of women, good looking/tall men, and the children sired by those men.
/r/MensRights20/04/24 06:57 PM
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Not surprising at all. Men and women no longer trust each other, and it's time to go our separate ways. Women have been brainwashed to think we're all rapists and creeps, and men are afraid of life-wrecking false accusations.
/r/MensRights20/04/24 06:45 PM
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Here's a dirty little secret: They KNOW DAMN WELL they're just gaslighting when they say shit like that. They KNOW how much they stand to lose if the Not-Hots are allowed to speak openly about all the shady shit that's going on. But Pandora's Box has already been opened, and there's not a damn thing women, or the media, or academia, or even governments can do about it. The percentage of men who struggle mightily in the dating game is gonna keep growing. Eventually, the problem will grow too obvi…
/r/MensRights16/04/24 06:50 PM
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This type of behavior is why I moved out of state after finishing the last of my plastic surgeries. To truly start a new life after upgrading your looks, you have to get away from everybody who knew you before. Women have an instinctive need to sabotage any man who "cheats" the system. If THEY aren't attracted to you, they don't want anyone else to be into you either. It's so toxic!
/r/MensRights09/04/24 07:08 PM
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In the current environment? Never. Even if you're good looking. Piss her off and she'll rake you over the coals just as badly as she did the guy she settled for.
/r/MensRights06/04/24 11:34 PM
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High-earning women tend to be more toxic than the others, which would definitely mean higher rates of domestic disputes. Battered women usually aren't the "innocent" victims we're expected to believe they are, and tend to have a nasty attitude. And nasty women are more likely to get with the type of guy who can't control his temper.
/r/MensRights25/03/24 09:39 PM
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In practice "insecure" often means "knowing too much", basically trying to gaslight the guy into thinking he's "insecure" and shouldn't be bothered by her behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 09:30 PM
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What a BLATANT double standard and bias. Wow.
/r/MensRights24/03/24 05:48 PM
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^ THIS is the real answer, right here. If the problems of "not-hot" men became too widely spoken of, women would lose a LOT of power in the game, and you better believe they KNOW it :).
/r/MensRights24/03/24 05:25 PM
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Because too many people have a vested interest in keeping the issue quiet. If the dating problems of "not-hot" men becames too out in the open, women stand to lose a lot of their power to manipulate men, AND a lot of businesses would see a drop in profits. Just consider how many houses, boats, cars, designer clothes and other items men purchase trying to "attract" women, and how their spending habits would change if they realized the truth about how female attraction REALLY works :). The entire …
/r/MensRights24/03/24 05:08 PM
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Young men today can't buy a house, can't get a girlfriend, and can't build a future for themselves. So why bother trying. They have no reason to invest in society or its future, so they're dropping out. And women are getting nervous.
/r/MensRights20/03/24 08:26 PM
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Not gonna pay for what the FWB guy is getting for free lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 07:30 PM
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It's not that these guys are "so wonderful" that women should "give them a chance". It's about how most straight-up AWFUL people can still find someone whose interested in them, which pretty much discredits the notion that a great personality can override dumpy looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 08:44 PM
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Social status without physical attraction only "attracts" a transactional relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 08:03 PM
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Which is precisely why when I want a relationship, I look for a fuckbuddy. It's the only real way to screen out the settlers. Too many women marry guys they're not genuinely into, and that's why so many relationships end up being toxic. If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, she can't be trusted for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 07:56 PM
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Let's put it this way: Anything less than "Chad attraction" isn't marriage material :). If she doesn't find you hot enough for a casual relationship, she can't be trusted for something serious. Gotta screen out the settlers!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:19 PM
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Exactly. Looks get you in the door. If you can't at least get your foot in that door, it ain't happening unless you're a high-earner and she's willing to settle for you to gain access to those earnings.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 08:16 PM
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Money BUYS the "interest" of women who are only "attracted" to him in a pragmatic sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:53 PM
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those dudes have no experience being around women who actually do like them. its like trying to explain the intricacies of a sunset to someone who lived in a dark basement their whole life. its gotta be experienced to be understood SO....DAMN....TRUE! Gotta know what interest actually looks like in order to fully understand when someone is NOT interested. For example, a guy that's been rejected all his life doesn't recognize the difference between an interested woman whose busy with other things…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:45 PM
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It's in the woman's best personal interests NOT to be clear that it's even a transactional relationship ;). That's the main problem, and it makes screening out these settlers more difficult for plan looking guys. A man has to know what real physical attraction from a woman actually looks like, but the only "attraction" most plain looking guys ever experience is transactional intentions masquerading as romance, so they have nothing else to compare it to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:20 PM
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Yeah really. I've been saying for years that the blackpill is the future of the manosphere, essentially redpill's replacement. Gen Z has their own set of dating problems, different than men of older generations, and blackpill is more relevant to those circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 08:11 PM
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What women are actually attracted to IS impossible to meet for plain looking guys. That's the reality men find so hard to accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 08:53 PM
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Gotta love the responses your getting. It IS the same thing and they KNOW it. Men are finally learning to screen out the settlers, preferring to just stay single if they can't find someone whose ACTUALLY into them, and some women don't like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 08:14 PM
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Yeah, apparently a pretty common one lol. Apparently, no jealousy issues or other problems popped up, which surprised me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 07:32 PM
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Yep. Traditionally, it was only women and hot guys who knew this. But now the Not-Hots also know, and they're learning to screen out the people who are just settling for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:23 PM
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This comment brings back a memory lol. My friend at the time was dating this girl and SHE wanted to "share her man" with her best friend. Wasn't even his idea. So yeah, it does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:55 PM
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Because they're not good looking enough for anyone to tolerate their behavior. Naive guys think they can get women by behaving like that good looking guy, but they don't understand that the same behavior which works "for" a good looking guy works against a plain looking guy. Women don't actually "want" assholes, but many of them will TOLERATE shitty behavior in men they're sufficiently physically attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:49 PM
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Many unattractive men don't have much dating experience, so they don't understand how a shitty relationship can be worse than staying alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:47 PM
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Oh absolutely! But acknowledging this too much is politically problematic, potentially leading to conversations people invested in the status quo don't want to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 08:23 PM
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It's just a thought-terminating cliche people automatically say without really thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 08:21 PM
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Two different generations with two very different mindsets. The older guys want women to settle, while the younger generation doesn't. Get both groups together in one forum, and there appears to be a double message.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 03:34 PM
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....which is why I'm not redpill. Force "works", but it doesn't change feelings and lead to genuine desire. There's an alternative "final solution" that A) doesn't require handicapping women's choices, and B) actually DOES trigger genuine love - make extensive male plastic surgery affordable. Make a guy's face good looking, then he'll have no need to play toxic mind games or violate another person's right to chose their own mates. He'll have the looks to find a willing partner, one who will trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 08:31 PM
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70% of men will be essentially shut out of the sexual marketplace. Unless realistic robot "companions" and AI "girlfriends" are rolled out in time, society will inevitably degrade into some kind of horrific Mad Max/Handmaid's Tale nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 05:32 PM
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Decades of nothing but rejection can lead to a level of desperation so extreme the average person can't conceptualize it, let alone even begin to relate to it. Before I had my facial deformities corrected, I never even held a girls hand despite my herculean efforts to change that. I've asked out women that were 3 times my weight, twice my age, highschool dropouts (I have a masters degree), drug addicts, etc, and still got continually rejected. I didn't just say the words "I'll take anyone", but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 05:17 PM
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I'd say it's only a matter of time before the damage starts to show. More and more men are giving up on the dating game, and that group is due to grow large enough to have a negative economic and cultural impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 05:05 PM
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My main one would be this: Date guys you're actually physically attracted to. Don't be pressured into prostituting yourself and fooling the guy you settled for into thinking it's a love relationship. (and LOL at the incels and gold diggers who downvoted this)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:50 PM
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If literally ANY OTHER GROUP had suicide rates even approaching those guys, it'd be all over the news, academia, etc, and everybody would be talking about it endlessly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:02 PM
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You gotta know how to spot and screen out the settlers. My rule is if her attraction to you isn't the same attraction they have for "Chad", she ain't relationship or marriage material. That made a HUGE difference in the quality and health of my relationships! Men have to understand that women are only "less visual than men" in a practical and pragmatic sense. A lot of them will date and marry a man they have zero sexual attraction to, which results in a lot of very toxic relationships. Not all w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 07:03 PM
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Yep. They find 80% of men unattractive but end up settling for them anyway, and that's why so many relationships are toxic. The only reason the bottom half of the male population aren't lifelong virgins is because enough women are willing to date men they have zero sexual attraction to. Thankfully, men these days are finally starting to realize it's better to stay single than be settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 08:27 PM
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The best way for a Not-Hot guy to play the dating game is to drop out of it. It sucks, but it's better than the nasty baggage, misery and drama that comes with being settled for. As for scratching that nagging hormonal itch, there's hookers, porn, his hand or maybe a sex doll. Oh sure this feels insulting, but again, it's better than a shitty marriage and getting financially wiped out in a divorce once the settler you married can't keep up the facade of "loving" you anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:54 PM
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having never actually experienced genuine excitement or interest from a woman that they can't recognize its lack. This is way more common than we like to admit. Half the men who've had girlfriends and been married never experienced what REAL attraction from a woman is like. Every relationship they ever had was with a settler. They can't screen out the settlers because they have no other experience to compare it to. To put this all in even more stark terms: The only reason the bottom half of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:48 PM
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Two different generations of men with two different views on dating. The older generation demands women settle. The younger generation is saying "no, don't"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 06:37 PM
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A man can be sexually aroused by a plain looking women. Women cannot do the same. They're only "less visual than men" in the sense that society pushes them to get with guys they have literally zero sexual attraction to. To a man, a plain looking woman is plain looking but can still make him cum. To a woman, a plain looking MAN is straight-up gross! If you find your partner literally gross, ain't no way in hell that's gonna be a happy relationship over the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:10 PM
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Exactly. Once you experience that, there's no coming back. You'll never look at normal "attraction" the same way again. The kind of "attraction" the Not-Hot guys get is really nothing more than transactional intentions trying to masquerade as romantic interest. For half the male population, being essentially settled for is all they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:07 PM
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I honestly think what appears as a double message is a clash between the older and younger generations of men. The older generations are telling women to settle, while the younger generation is saying "no, don't". The younger guys want a real connection, where the older generation is naively willing to accept someone who just tolerates them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:01 PM
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When you say "attraction," there is physical attraction and there is resource attraction Exactly. Men today are beginning to realize women are only "less visual than men" in the sense that they'll date and marry a guy they're _not_ physically attracted to, and this is why so many relationships end up being toxic. If she's settling for you, she won't respect you and she WILL eventually resent you. "Attraction" without physical attraction is basically just dishonest prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 06:28 PM
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This idea that women are "less visual than men" needs to go away. They're only "less visual" in a pragmatic sense that has nothing to do with sexual attraction. Oh sure, rare exceptions do happen, but as a rule, if you're an ugly fellow, the overwhelming majority of "attraction" you get will be the pragmatic kind masquerading as romantic interest. You're better off staying alone than entering into a relationship like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:14 PM
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Yeah really. Women are willing to date and marry a guy they're _not_ sexually attracted to, then they end up treating him like shit out of resentment for having settled. Guys need to screen out the settlers and stop accepting anything short of genuine burning desire. A girl whose merely "giving you a chance" can't be trusted for serious commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:47 PM
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More and more guys are starting to realize women are willing to date a man they're _not_ sexually attracted to, and being the guy she merely settled for pretty much guarantees that the relationship will end up being toxic. So guys have to screen out the settlers. Better to be a "sex object" than a glorified john/trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:14 PM
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The only reason most plain looking guys have any dating experience at all is because many women will find a guy physically unattractive but date him anyway, then try their best to convince both the guy AND THEMSELVES they're "in love" with him. And then we wonder why so many marriages and relationships end up being so toxic. If the best a girl can give you is "a chance", she is not a good fit for anything serious. Problem is, this settling behavior is the only "interest" these men ever experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 09:02 PM
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Which is why our divorce rates are so high and so many relationships end up being toxic. They find the average guy unattractive, but date/marry him anyway for pragmatic reasons, then end up resenting him because they settled. Basically, if you're an ugly dude, don't get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 06:29 PM
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Most of the panic about girlfriend AIs is from women who use unattractive men for favors, gifts, food, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 06:07 PM
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Exactly. There are solutions that DON'T involve intruding on another person's sexual autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:31 PM
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Many young men these days feel they're left with the choice of either accepting whoever is willing to settle for them, or staying alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:48 PM
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As with any other interaction, the person's attractiveness HEAVILY influences how the other person perceives it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:38 PM
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It IS terrifying. Guys need to start screening out these settlers. Either she has genuine burning desire for you, or she's NOT marriage material! And if you're a plain looking dude who can't trigger that kind of attraction in anyone you date, you're better off staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:23 PM
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The "friend zone" is really just lack of physical attraction. But other than that, yeah, gotta make your intentions clear upfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:42 PM
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Bullying is the natural instinct to cull the herd of weakness, and this instinct is triggered by physical traits - short, ugly, disabled, etc. That's why bullies can't be reasoned with. The mainstream approach is misguided and ineffective. "Ignoring" them only reinforces the perception of weakness and encourages even worse bullying. Same with trying to "reason" with them. The only effective, proven way to handle a bully is to fight, even if that means getting your ass kicked. It's just like pris…
/r/BlackPillScience14/11/23 05:43 PM
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Oh yeah, I've seen it. Act all tough and dominant toward the guys they prostitute themselves to, but act totally different around the guys they actually WANT to fuck.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 09:56 PM
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"Looks don't matter" "You weren't my type when I met you" ....or ANY other comment that implies she's OK with "giving chances" and prostituting herself for a man's commitment/resources.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 09:48 PM
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Propaganda and myth simply will not win out over the lived reality of Gen Z boys. The corporate media and academia will try every trick in the book to keep the Not Hots spending money to "attract" women into settling for them, but today's plain looking and shorter guys ain't falling for it.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 06:29 PM
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I've been settled for like that, too. And yeah, it ain't worth it. The herculean shit you gotta do to "compensate" for lack of physical attraction is just too much, and she'll end up resenting you anyway because deep down she knows she's prostituting herself.
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 06:42 PM
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I'm just glad guys are waking up to why being settled for is a bad thing and opting out. The same women who end up settling for these guys sure don't like it :).
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 06:24 PM
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Oh but of course. The settlers, gold diggers and other glorified prostitutes are starting to realize ugly guys aren't buying what they're selling anymore. They don't like the fact that if they want ugly men's money and favors, they're gonna have to actually deliver what they advertise, because ugly men will now have other options. It's not that ugly guys are merely "choosing an AI over ME a REEEAAALL HUMAN BEEEEEING WAAAHHHH!". It's that what these settling hoes are offering ugly guys is such a …
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 05:57 PM
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Yep. If average looking men were able to find women who are ACTUALLY attracted to them, the porn industry would suffer. People think the sudden increase in porn watching is just because its freely available, but neither the media or academia dares report the other reason - that plain looking guys just don't have the sexual opportunities they used to.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 05:43 PM
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It's disgusting how they deliberately trivialize the situation. It ain't about getting off. It's about FEELING HUMAN, and having the knowledge that someone - or ANYONE - out there wants to be sexual with you.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 07:05 PM
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Just look at all the fucking PEDOPHILES in the news and how MOST OF THEM ARE MARRIED! That shit used to really upset me. That slimy pervert on TV was able to get a wife, but I couldn't even get a woman twice my age and 3 times my weight to even fucking talk to me.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 06:59 PM
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It's not just women, guys. I think it's even more important to know that having too many looks-aware men makes the corporate industries nervous. And that's why they have their buttsex slaves The Media and Academia pushing all this propaganda and lies. Big Business relies on men spending money to "attract" a woman into settling for them. If the Not-Hots knew the women who were "attracted" to them were actually only settling for them, they'd stop trying to buy women's companionship.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 06:52 PM
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Handsome man's game is just having normal social skills. That's literally all there is to it, and those "game" shysters know it! So they have to push the narrative that good looking guys "need game, too".
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 06:41 PM
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They know deep down that our culture is beginning to automatically assume ugly people must be terrorists and chomos, but they think bashing "THOSE ugly people" will save them from that.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 06:38 PM
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DING DING DING DING DING! Folks, we have a winner! Big Business relies on a whore/john sexual marketplace and beta-providing to sell the most products. Women may "control" 80% of consumer spending, but it's largely their tricks' and johns' money they're spending. Once enough Not Hots get woke to looks and the tricking stops, the entire economy will be in upheaval.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 11:59 PM
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PROPAGANDA! That's it in one word. Feminists and the media are deliberately associating the truth about looks to terrorist groups, and people believe it. But ultimately the truth will win out. Once 20% or more of the male population can't even date "fat chicks" anymore, the Powers That Be will no longer be able to propagandize and spin their way out of the situation.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 11:56 PM
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Blackpill has upset the status quo and threatens to bring down the entire alpha-fucks-beta-bucks scam. This has made the settlers, gold diggers and feminists very nervous.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 10:03 PM
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Guys who think getting settled for is a good thing are in for a nasty surprise if they get their wish. She'll tread him like shit and have massive demands to "compensate" for the lack of attraction, but it'll never be enough. And no matter how well he holds up his end of the contract, she'll grow to resent him anyway because deep down she knows she's prostituting herself. She'll cheat on him and dead-bedroom him, too.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 09:59 PM
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The fact that incel spaces are 90% Gen Z is no coincidence. The Gen Z dating game is completely different than when I was that age. In my day, an average looking 20 year old guy could get an average looking 20 year old female without too much trouble. Nowadays, that same kid has to put in twice the work to get a girl twice his weight who feels she's settling for him!
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 03:22 PM
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Her name was Norah Vincent. That experience traumatized her and she ultimately ended up killing herself as a result :(.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:18 PM
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THIS is why women automatically assume MALE incels must have too-high standards. It's the only way THEY can be incel. The idea of having literally ZERO options to pick from is completely foreign to them - NO messages, NO likes, NO replies, NOTHING but an empty inbox despite your best efforts and VERY low standards. THAT is the ugly guy's world! There's _NOTHING_ available to even pick from.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 11:58 AM
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These women are literally prostituting themselves for a wedding ring while trying to convince you and themselves that it's a "love" relationship. Ain't no way there's gonna be a healthy marriage with that kind of psychological baggage!
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 11:39 AM
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I've noticed this, too. In roughly 90% of ugly couples I've seen, the girl will treat the guy like complete garbage and have no respect for him. It's painful to witness. And you're absolutely right, those poor guys don't even KNOW anything different! Once you've had a relationship with a girl whose actually attracted to you, it's a major, major eye opener! "Chad" doesn't appreciate the value of being truly loved because it's all he knows, and "Poindexter" doesn't know anything different than the…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 04:43 AM
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Yep. If her "attraction" to you isn't Chad attraction, or she doesn't respect you like women respect Chad, she's a settler and can't be trusted for marriage. Women commonly date and marry guys they're NOT actually attracted to, and that's why so many relationships are so toxic.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 04:27 AM
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Their primary strategy is holding up a rare exception to the rule as "proof" their view is correct, like a guy in a wheelchair with a beautiful woman. People win the lotto all the time, but that doesn't mean spending your life savings on lotto tickets is good financial advice. People get struck by lightening, but that doesn't mean you're in any serious danger going outside in a thunderstorm.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 11:31 PM
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Even redpillers themselves have started to admit this. As one guy put it, redpill can only make you a "more effective beta bux" if you can't pass the looks threshold. If you're ugly or significantly short, the only "love" you get is some girl settling for you and treating you accordingly, with a very high risk of divorce down the line. Ugly guys are better off staying single. I predict we're gonna see a massive dropout from the dating game as Gen Z comes of age, with the media and academia freak…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 11:22 PM
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The difference I think is that most people have also had good experiences with the above THIS is it, right here! Before I fixed my looks, I never had a single positive experience with dating, only rejection and outright rudeness. And people remain willfully ignorant of what it'd be like if they had to live that shit for decades on end.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 09:35 PM
8

The Not-Hots are getting wise to the game, especially now that they ain't buying into the "seduction" community's scammy nonsense anymore. That stuff only "worked" for decent looking guys, and they attracted women IN SPITE OF those nerdy "game" tactics, NOT because of it! All "game" and "PUA" stuff did was make them put themselves out there, and their looks did the rest of the work.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:27 PM
4

The only reason the entire bottom half of the male population aren't lifelong virgins is women are willing to settle for a man they aren't sexually attracted to. And the irony is, being a lifelong virgin would be better than what's in store for you if you marry a settler.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 04:38 PM
2

Only guys 7 and up in looks. The plain looking and short dudes get settled for and treated accordingly.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 04:19 PM
4

"....and date men they find unattractive." That's why our divorce rates are so high and why so many relationships are miserable. All the toxic crap the redpillers claim is "normal female behavior" in relationships is actually the behavior of a woman who settled for them.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 04:16 PM
3

Most of that is anger-motivated trolling and revenge fantasies, but there's a few who are for real. The only reason they support such stuff is they genuinely don't understand why HER level of raw sexual attraction to THEM is so important, nor do they realize all the problems that come with being in a relationship with someone who isn't actually attracted to you.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 09:31 PM
6

Most of them are guys who don't know what interest looks like. All they've ever had is rejection. If she always takes days to respond, the best you'll ever get from her is her using you, and no, that is NOT better than being alone.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 08:02 PM
8

AMEN! Ugly guys have grown up being fed settler and gold digger bullshit. They don't understand the difference between the real attraction women have for a good looking tall guy, versus the pragmatic mindset and business arrangement that gets sold as "attraction" to the plain looking they eventually settle for. We're taught to conflate glorified prostitution with attraction.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 06:04 PM
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WE'RE the side that tells women NOT to settle, unlike the older generation of men who continue pushing women to lower their standards and prostitute themselves for a wedding ring. Nah, fuck that. Uh-uh. HEEEEELLLLL no! Stick with men you're actually attracted to. We'd rather stay single than get swindled into a transactional "relationship" and fed a fake illusion of romance. If her "attraction" to us ain't the "Chad" kind, we can't trust her for something serious.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 05:44 PM
5

"Single" as in not married but sharing Chad between themselves. What plain looking, ugly and/or short guys get is a WHOLE OTHER KIND of single!
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 07:11 PM
3

PPD is officially no longer a serious debate sub. Now that gold diggers and settlers realize ugly guys ain't buying into the betabux scam anymore, they've begun resorting to more overt silencing tactics.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 07:06 PM
9

They're getting desperate. Now that denying the truth doesn't work anymore, they've moved on to blatant and obvious silencing tactics.
/r/AllPillDebate21/10/23 01:36 AM
3

WOW! This woman has some serious issues! Wanna know what the difference between radical feminists and radical incels is? One side is sanctioned by the State. That's literally the only difference. The only reason these crazy broads ain't doing terrorist shit is because the State and mass media allows them to have a voice.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 10:28 PM
2

Turn it around on them. Any WOMEN could turn out to be a false accuser and get you raped in prison lol.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 10:15 PM
1

They know the REAL reason for AI "girlfriends", but won't admit it. They know damn well these guys don't "prefer the fake over the real thing", and they know damn well the only reason there's a market for these things is because it's better than NOTHING! Ugly guys have fucking TRIED their asses off to find a real partner, yet only get either rejection or people trying to use them.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 07:28 PM
1

Big Business, gold diggers, settlers and female players all have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are. The illusion that female sexual desire can be triggered by a man's access to resources MUST be maintained. The sexual marketplace MUST remain a whore/john dynamic instead of being based on genuine desire. Otherwise, the corporations will see a massive drop in profits, and the settlers/gold diggers/players won't be able to scam the Not-Hots anymore. Also, let's be real, there's a…
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 06:55 PM
2

People get struck by lightening and win the lotto, too. It's possible, but the probability is very low.
/r/AllPillDebate15/10/23 10:04 PM
22

Ugly guys are a lucrative resource for settlers, players and gold diggers. They definitely DO NOT want them knowing how transactional their relationships and marriages really are ;).
/r/AllPillDebate10/10/23 04:23 PM
7

Absolutely. And once these guys hit around 20% of the male population, that's when times will get interesting. It's gonna affect the economy as single males who ain't trying to "attract" someone into settling for them have very different spending behavior than the traditional norm. It's gonna affect politics as well... it'll only be a matter of time before a rogue politician plays these guys for votes.
/r/AllPillDebate08/10/23 09:33 PM
2

They clearly don't have "chad" friends, or they'd see it for themselves. It's a completely different world, one that has to be SEEN to be believed.
/r/AllPillDebate06/10/23 10:42 PM
7

Both the Left and the Right are beholden to the same corporate interests who want to keep the dating game a whore/john dynamic instead of being based on mutual sexual attraction. Gotta keep the Not-Hots spending money to become "attractive" to settlers and gold diggers, and then spending money to KEEP the dishonest prostitute who settled for them.
/r/AllPillDebate05/10/23 07:49 PM
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^ THIS, right here. ^ Women and the corporate powers that be don't want the Not-Hots knowing the reality of female attraction and how transactional half the male population's relationships actually are. If men knew how to spot someone whose merely settling for them, they wouldn't be naive enough to marry those women or play into their games. Also consider how much male spending behavior is motivated by trying to "attract" a women - the fancier cars, bigger houses, designer clothes, etc, etc....w…
/r/AllPillDebate05/10/23 03:28 PM
9

Exactly. If I merely "grew on her", she can't be trusted for marriage. Once I fixed my looks and saw what relationships are like with someone who immediately found you attractive, I never looked at regular "attraction" the same way again. It's a WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD! No more testy attitude, no more hooker-ish materialistic demands, no more picking fights, no more constant disrespect....it's a whole different world than dating a girl who only finds you average looking. If there weren't so many w…
/r/AllPillDebate05/10/23 03:20 PM
3

Honestly, women just need to stick to dating men they're actually attracted to. And if that means not being able to get commitment/marriage, that's better in the long run than reducing themselves to a prostitute.
/r/AllPillDebate04/10/23 05:08 PM
2

The myth that a plain looking guy can be "sexually" attractive with the right personality and/or ability to provide comes from the times women had to marry in order to survive. Women knew most men wouldn't marry someone whose "interest" in him was entirely transactional.
/r/AllPillDebate01/10/23 04:06 PM
1

Shit, a 9/10 friggin' pedophile has a higher SMV than a plain looking normal dude.
/r/AllPillDebate29/09/23 11:25 PM
7

Yep. Ugly/short guys are a lucrative resource the settlers, players and gold diggers aren't willing to part with. They want the sexual freedom without the inevitable consequence - having to spend their OWN money for things just like a man does. Oh, we'll still clean your gutters and mow your lawn, ma'am, but not for free anymore. Want a drink at the bar? Pay for it out of your own pocket.
/r/AllPillDebate28/09/23 01:25 PM
3

Betabuxxing = eventually having all the problems of an incel plus stuck living with a female roomate you can't stand, and getting rid of her would mean a life of poverty. Once she gets the 2 kids and big house she wanted, she no longer has to pretend/play act, and that's when you find out how "attracted" to you she REALLY was the whole time!
/r/AllPillDebate27/09/23 07:00 PM
1

The reason incels are being demonized by The Powers That Be is both feminists and corporations know what would happen if the truth about female sexual attraction became common knowledge. Women would have to spend their own money for things instead of playing the guys into spending it for them, and the corporations would lose a LOT of profits (they know full well how much male spending involves trying to play the provider game!). The truth being known would completely shake up the status quo.
/r/AllPillDebate27/09/23 06:55 PM
1

Better to be with a literal "3" whose actually into you than a "9" who's only "attraction" to you is transactional.
/r/AllPillDebate27/09/23 02:24 PM
2

They think willing to fuck = being attracted to them.
/r/AllPillDebate27/09/23 02:13 PM
5

It's a mess out there, for sure! The game for young folks has definitely changed in the last 20 years. When I was these guys' age, an average looking guy or girl could date an average looking girl without too much trouble. Nowadays, that same kid has to work really hard just to find a below-average girl with a narcissistic attitude. There's a reason all these "incel" spaces that popped up within the last 10 years are overwhelmingly of that generation.
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 04:03 PM
6

When women do it, it's getting a valid complain off their chest. When men do it, it's "entitlement".
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 10:56 PM
5

I don't think it's quite that extreme YET. A guy whose a "6", or in the top 40%, has a reasonably good chance of finding it but has to be VERY vigilant in screening out the settlers because most of the women he meets will be one of those.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 02:25 PM
1

You'll learn social skills quickly, and people won't be anywhere as judgemenal about your lack of it than they are right now. It'll be a hurdle at first, but you'll get the one all-important thing you didn't get before surgery - OPPORTUNITIES to learn. Ugly people remain socially stunted because of the lack of opportunities and the invisible social barriers people put up to keep ugly folks at a distance.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 10:16 PM
3

The only reason half the male population gets any play at all is because enough women want the benefits of commitment badly enough to prostitute themselves for it, and this form of prostitution is socially acceptable. If it wasn't for the "beta provider" option, half of all guys would be lifelong virgins. And these marriages usually end up being very toxic in the long run. Ugly guys today are better off just staying single.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 10:10 PM
5

Exactly my experience as well. And THEY'RE blackpilled as shit, too....It's unbelievable the things women will admit when they think you're "Chad"! Before I fixed my looks, this was a side of them I'd never seen before.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:56 PM
2

Most likely they realize you are the best they can get for commitment. Women may be "Chadsexual", but they want commitment/marriage so much they're willing to fuck men they're not sexually attracted to, basically prostituting themselves for it (all while deliberately fooling the guy into thinking its a love relationship). For half the male population, this is the only reason they have any dating/sex life at all.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:30 PM
1

the wrong person that didn't respect me. Yeah, this is what men need to understand, that women can't respect a man they settled for. Men think some hot girl settling for them is a good thing, and the women who pull this shit play that to the hilt, telling these guys they should be thankful that someone of "their level" gave them "a chance".
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 07:59 PM
2

And they're gaslighting :).
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 11:36 PM
8

Wanna know why it IS worth it? It's saving you from getting stuck in a bad marriage with some girl who settled for you. Believe me, you'd be BEGGING to be single and alone again. It's THAT bad. And on top of that, she'd eventually buttfuck you in divorce court, possibly leaving you paying that settling skank alimony for life or outrageous "child support" payments. Being single is BY FAR better than being settled for, and blackpill teaches you to screen out the settlers (either Chad attraction or…
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 11:22 PM
4

Men are learning not to rape..... Oh man, that meme boils my piss. Anyone who actually believes men have to be taught not to do something so barbaric has a downright warped view of the world!
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 11:17 PM
3

Good points. I wouldn't call it being an asshole, though. Nothing mean about looking out for yourself and avoiding getting taken advantage of. Any girl who accuses you of being an asshole for doing this is gaslighting you.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 11:06 PM
1

Absolutely not! Anything short of "Chad" attraction can't be trusted for commitment. Once you've had a relationship with someone whose attraction to you is legitimate, you'll never look at "normal" relationships the same way again, nor all the drama and other baggage that comes with those.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 12:38 AM
3

Exactly. The only effective "intervention" is affordable plastic surgery. Anything and everything else WILL backfire massively in the long run.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 02:11 AM
9

That's what happens when a girl tries to date out of her league. Good looking guys commit to good looking women while pumping and dumping the Plain Janes.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 09:32 AM
12

Yep. The only difference between an incel and the average guy women settle for is the incel doesn't have enough status/wealth to pay her asking price. Most women have to essentially prostitute themselves if they want to get married or raise children because there aren't enough good looking guys to go around. And believe me, she KNOWS she's prostituting (all while fooling HIM into believing it's a love relationship), which is why she treats him the way she does.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 03:22 PM
2

It's deliberate propaganda and effort to discredit the valid points ugly and short guys are making. If enough men in society realized how much their looks ACTUALLY matter for finding someone whose LEGITIMATELY attracted to you (not just settling for you), it would upset the entire system women and several industries rely on to keep the money and free favors rolling in. Plus women would find it so much harder to get married because plain looking guys would start screening out the settlers. Lastly…
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 04:14 AM
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It really sucks, but I think men are better off in the long run recognizing this. If her "attraction" to you isn't "Chad" attraction, she can't be trusted for serious commitment because her settling will bring all kinds of nasty baggage into the marriage. So much of women's difficult and entitled behavior in relationships comes down to resentment for having to settle.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 03:56 AM
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It's a gaslighting tactic. They know what they stand to lose once the truth about attraction hits the mainstream - no more free drinks, free favors, etc, and plain looking guys won't marry them anymore. Plus there's a very real and legitimate fear women have about plain/short guys knowing too much. Lotta guys out there are already a bit unstable, and the truth would push them over the edge.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 04:24 AM
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It exists, BUT it's not anywhere near as common as plain looking guys are led to believe. Most dead bedrooms are because of settling/betabux behavior. There aren't enough good looking guys to go around, so most women have to take what they can get if they want to marry, raise families, etc. Once she gets the 2 kids, bigger house and whatever else she wanted, she doesn't need to pretend to be in love anymore and the guy finds out how "attracted" to him she really was the whole time.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 04:00 AM
2

Redpill/PUA only works if you meet a minimum looks threshold.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:23 AM
4

The older woman, by far. Not interested in a transactional "relationship".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:44 PM
1

This is why I constantly tell guys to screen out the settlers. If her "attraction" to you isn't the same strong desire women have for Chad, she can't be trusted for commitment. Most women dating a plain/ugly guy are basically prostituting themselves, and a relationship like that WILL become toxic eventually.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:47 PM
1

It's the only solution to save modern civilization, period. Any higher taxes as a result of this is NOTHING compared to what they'll eventually pay if the government DOESN'T subsidize surgeries, and that's just taxes ALONE, not even counting the social, safety and other costs!
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 12:56 AM
1

Its just about the only idea that both saves men and lets women keep their freedoms. I've been saying the same thing, too. There will come a time when society is forced to choose between either THIS option or going back to traditional ways.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 12:46 AM
1

Free plastic surgery and legalize steroids. That's it. Nothing else.
/r/AllPillDebate03/09/23 08:39 PM
23

Most men date and eventually get married, yet NEVER ONCE in their lives experience what REAL attraction actually looks like. All they know and understand is being settled for. Women find the overwhelming majority of men ugly, but usually end up having to settle for one of them. Unless she's a hottie herself, her only option if she wants to get married and raise a family is to essentially prostitute herself. This is why relationships and marriages end up being so toxic!
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 05:42 PM
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It's very important you guys understand most of the people throwing that line are arguing in bad faith. They aren't interested in actually helping you, just subtly tearing you down without being overt and blatant about it. Whenever a guy says he can't get a girlfriend, it attracts the trolls who like to punch down to either feel better about themselves, or punish you for what Chad did to them. A defeated man is an easy target, and a low hanging fruit for any feminist with an axe to grind.
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 05:28 PM
2

Yep. I've seen them approach my friends literally hundreds of times over the years. Then when I fixed my looks, I started getting approached and hit on as well. I've walked into bars alone and just sat around (too shy to approach anyone), yet got approached and met new people EVERY SINGLE TIME.
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/23 05:21 PM
1

Yep. Anything short of "chad attraction" can't be trusted for anything serious. Sub-6 guys date/marry all the time, but they only get women who are willing to settle for them, and the relationship almost always becomes toxic as a result.
/r/AllPillDebate31/08/23 07:06 AM
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The big POSITIVE aspect of "chadfishing" is it teaches you what REAL attraction actually looks like :) The experience may be brutal, but the knowledge is precious. You now know how women behave when they're not just settling for you, and what to look for when screening out the settlers. The only women who can be trusted for commitment or marriage are those who treat YOU like those girls treated the chadfish. Anything less than "chad attraction" is them merely "giving you a chance" (settling), wh…
/r/AllPillDebate31/08/23 06:31 AM
4

Cold approaching is a risky strategy in today's times. All it takes is one lookist bigot who wants to ruin your life with a made-up accusation for the narcissistic injury you caused her by being interested in her.
/r/AllPillDebate31/08/23 06:07 AM
1

Women like this need to hear the hard truth: You ain't pretty enough for commitment from a good looking guy. You only got 3 options: Get enough plastic surgery to be worthy of those guys' commitment. Stay single, and be thankful you can at least have sex with the guys you want. Guys in your league can't even get that. Find a man in your own league and prostitute yourself for a wedding ring or relationship. Women do it all the time.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 09:35 PM
2

Also, just because a girl dates a man doesn't mean she finds him sexually attractive. A lot of women are willing to date and marry guys they're _not_ sexually attracted to (and this is THE main reason relationships end up being so toxic!). Men assume a woman being _with_ a guy automatically means her attraction to him is genuine. Settlers and gold diggers really don't like it when this stuff gets pointed out :).
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 09:15 PM
10

The fundamental issue is this: Women charge different prices to different men for the same sex acts, and the guys who have to pay the most get the least enthusiasm. In traditional times, all pussy was extremely expensive no matter what you looked like. Chad had to pay the same price as an ugly guy. That was FAIR. Nowadays, good looking guys get special pricing and the Not-Hots feel cheated.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 05:53 PM
2

The double message women are getting today is the result of a generational shift between old men and young men. Up until VERY recently, men expected women to date and marry a guy they're not legitimately attracted to. But today's young men are starting to recognize how that shit ends badly for them, and they'd rather stay single than be settled for. A woman without genuine desire for him isn't wife material.
/r/AllPillDebate27/08/23 09:20 PM
4

The key to avoid getting swindled into the betabux trap is screening out the settlers. Either Chad attraction or she ain't wife material. There must be genuine desire on her part, or she can't be trusted for commitment. Ugly men generally don't know how to spot the difference because they've never experienced what genuine desire looks like. Their wives and girlfriends were always settlers and they don't know or understand anything different.
/r/AllPillDebate27/08/23 08:49 PM
1

It's gonna get even worse. They're gonna keep pushing for more and more new taxes and screwed-up laws until ugly and short guys become a de-facto slave class.
/r/AllPillDebate27/08/23 07:41 PM
5

With Chad, they're selfless saints. With ugly men, they're sociopaths. As an ugly man, you will only ever be a means to an end, and any "respect" she has for you will only be an illusion. Don't betabux. And as you guys don't have dating experience, remember this: settlers are VERY good actresses. Her illusion of love and respect can be quite convincing to a guy whose never been with someone legitimately sexually attracted to him.
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 09:09 PM
15

Exactly. Ugly and short guys gotta get fulfillment outside of relationships and having children. It's time for society to stop feeding us the EXPECTATION that we'll find a partner and raise a family. That's not a realistic expectation anymore. It's slowly becoming a privilege reserved for the rich and the beautiful. We're just not breeding stock. We serve a different purpose. And ultimately that won't be a problem AS LONG AS women and Chad don't try to force US to support THEIR children and THEI…
/r/AllPillDebate26/08/23 08:51 PM
1

Yeah, fuck jumping through all those hoops just to be settled for and treated like shit. Women had plain looking guys believing jumping through all those hoops "triggered attraction", but now these guys are starting see reality. I want the girl's HEART and EMOTIONS. If all she offers is transactional "attraction", unenthusiastic pussy and an illusion of respect, a street prostitute offers the same thing at a much better price! And settlers wonder why their husbands fuck hookers.
/r/AllPillDebate25/08/23 10:53 PM
1

Lack of female interest is DEFINITELY a factor in rising incidence of gay sex. You don't have to be good looking to get man butt because men will fuck anything with a pulse. Men are less visual than women, BY FAR! Women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense, like a prostitute is with johns/tricks.
/r/AllPillDebate25/08/23 10:38 PM
2

Prostitutes don't like it when younger ones steal their business. The men who go for much younger women are the same guys settlers and gold diggers go for - plain looking johns/tricks trying to buy a partner.
/r/AllPillDebate25/08/23 10:17 PM
8

BDD exists out there, BUT it's rare. MOST cases of BDD are legitimately ugly folks being gaslighted by their therapists into thinking they actually have the disorder. Society wants to pretend being ugly doesn't damage a person the way it does.
/r/AllPillDebate25/08/23 10:10 PM
1

At the end of the day, we're gonna get a massive spike in guys who struggle. No matter what pill becomes mainstream as a result, the final effect is the same - a mass walkout from the dating game by men. And their spending habits will change accordingly, like downgrading what cars, houses and other items they by, since they're no longer trying to "attract" some woman into settling for them. That's gonna have a detrimental effect on the economy.
/r/AllPillDebate24/08/23 08:39 PM
1

Modern technology and the Information Age has allowed the Not-Hots to know things women deliberately, KNOWINGLY kept hidden from them since prehistory. We're gonna be in for some interesting times :).
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 10:30 PM
1

So many women will date and marry a man they're NOT sexually attracted to, and men need to recognize this, as well as all the problems it brings. If her "attraction" to you isn't that raw physical kind, she can't be trusted for anything serious. Settlers are only good for a pump and dump.
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 10:14 PM
5

When it comes to "bluepill" stuff, it's only men who actually believe it. The women either KNOW it's bullshit or think there's something wrong with themselves because their real feelings don't match up with the bluepill narrative.
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 09:58 PM
12

Yep. Either Chad attraction or fuck off. If she doesn't find you good looking in that raw way, she cannot be trusted for anything long term!
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 09:50 PM
4

Exactly. Love cannot be earned. Trying to get women with money/status is tricking behavior and only "attracts" settlers at best, if not straight up gold diggers.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 09:00 PM
3

Once enough men figure out the true nature of women's "attraction" to plain/short/ugly guys and the problems that causes, we're gonna be in for some interesting times.
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 08:47 PM
2

Exactly my experience. Women have 2 personas - the false front they present to average/plain/betabux guys and the general public, then their true selves, which they only show to other women and the men they're legitimately physically attracted to. I had a shitload of plastic surgery and improved my looks dramatically, then I started seeing a whole new side of women that was previously hidden from me. Women everywhere KNOW they have a "dark" side to them that completely contradicts the propaganda…
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/23 08:43 PM
2

I personally don't care about butt sex or even blowjobs (don't wanna taste my own cum when kissing her). But the the way wives treat their husbands is what turned me off marriage for good. Too many settlers out there, prostituting themselves to a guy they were never legitimately attracted to, all for a wedding ring, the 2 kids, the house, etc then cutting off the sex once they got what they wanted. If I wanted a hooker, I'd call an escort service.
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/23 08:10 PM
9

I'm old enough to have experienced a different dating marketplace, and I've seen intimately what my little brothers, cousins and their friends go through today. Times HAVE indeed changed! In my day, an average looking guy could find an average looking girl with a reasonable amount of effort. But today? That same average looking 20 year old dude is thankful to get a below average girl who feels she's settling for him!
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/23 07:59 PM
1

Yeah, when a woman says "I'm so ugly/fat", guys think "COOL! I might have a chance with her!", but what they don't understand is the women with the "lowest" self esteem have the highest standards. What she thinks of herself doesn't change what she's attracted to.
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/23 02:12 AM
2

All learning 'game' can do for a short and ugly guy is make him a more effective Beta Bux. It won't trigger feelings of love or genuine respect. Only good looks can do that.
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/23 02:07 AM
5

Yeah, actually hating them for what they're attracted to is stupid. That said, there's no excuse for the way they often treat ugly/short guys. Like, it's cool if you don't wanna date or fuck him. But calling him names behind his back and trying to ruin his reputation just because he wounded your narcissistic ego by asking you out? THAT shit ain't cool!
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/23 01:52 AM
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Women pick and choose which guys they truly open up to. With the average-looking and ugly guys, they put up a front, and they'll wear that mask during the entire course of a relationship or marriage, from the day they meet to long after they've divorced/broken up. In short, all these guys know is the false front women put up around them. Even if he's known her 20 years, all he's ever seen is that false front. With good looking guys and other women, they're blackpill as all hell, literally saying…
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/23 01:28 AM
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This is the information age. For the first time in human history, large numbers of plain, short and ugly guys are starting to know what traditionally only hot guys and women knew. And that genie ain't going back in the bottle. Pandora's box has been opened. Too many Not-Hots KNOW, and it's too late to stop them from getting the word around to all the other Not-Hots. What's gonna happen is mass numbers of men emotionally and socially checking out of the game, basically "going ghost/MGTOW". These …
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 05:47 PM
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Unfortunately, the ONLY fucking people who take ugly/short/disabled guys' problems seriously are these incel dudes! When merely saying the words "I can't get a girlfriend" makes people pile on the false assumptions, gaslighting and abuse, these guys are gonna turn to people who DON'T do that shit to them. It isn't fucking rocket science. And no, people literally do that shit to them, then try to paint him as a bad character if he resists this abuse. I've seen it happen time and time again and ag…
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 05:13 PM
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This is no exaggeration. The Devil Effect is very real, but people willfully choose to pretend otherwise. By my 3rd plastic surgery, I became average/plain looking, and an entire lifetime of abuse and shitty treatment suddenly just STOPPED! The dating life improvement was miniscule (only became good enough to date at all), but the improvement in my social life was HUGE! I was finally good enough to be just invisible. After having lived my entire life with round the clock lookist bigotry, being a…
/r/AllPillDebate18/08/23 04:41 PM
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Exactly. Either Chad attraction or fuck off. A woman who isn't legitimately sexually attracted to you cannot be trusted for anything serious! The older generations of men expected women to settle and prostitute themselves, but today's generation is starting to realize being settled for is horrible idea. Only problem is, too many women want it both ways - they don't wanna settle right now, but at the same time they wanna keep the plain looking guys as a backup plan. That's why they get so nervous…
/r/AllPillDebate17/08/23 04:38 PM
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It's utterly disturbing the way guys like this get treated on online message boards. The minute a guy says "I can't get a date", people start piling on the abuse and making all kinds of assumptions. Then they wonder why the incel groups are growing. It's because right now these extremists are the only people who take them seriously!! If any part of the mainstream took the plight of ugly/short/disabled guys seriously and actually fucking LISTENED to them, they'd have an alternative to turn to bes…
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 07:48 PM
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Yeah, stay the fuck away from settlers! Better to be alone than deal with the nasty entitled attitude of someone who "gave you a chance". They KNOW they're prostituting themselves when they date a guy they're not sexually attracted to, and that's why they treat him the way they do.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 07:32 PM
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My friends and I were just talking about this the other day. You are definitely correct. It's been all of our experience as well. "Offline is easier" is just a popular cliche people throw around with no real thought behind it. I sincerely fear for the future. People don't recognize the long-term detrimental effects too many unwanted males is gonna have on society. They'd only need to be 25-30% of the total male population, and they won't need to actively DO anything! No "incels revolution" or an…
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 07:22 PM
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"Money can only bring whores" Man, I wish more men understood this! We still get guys saying "Get money, bro. Chicks dig that.", but they either don't understand or don't care that the "attraction" they're getting is strictly business, and the pussy they're paying for is not even close to being on the same level as what she gives away for free to guys she's physically attracted to! I mean, if you're gonna pay a hooker, pay an honest one who doesn't hide what she is. Women date men they're NOT se…
/r/AllPillDebate15/08/23 11:05 PM
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Damn good point. Victimhood is the grifter's livelihood. The Grievance Industry is all too real. They're sociopaths knowingly destroying society for a paycheck.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 10:41 PM
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Absolutely. And society is gonna suffer the consequences once 20% of the male population decides to check out of the dating game. There won't be any "beta uprising" bullshit, just a widespread attitude of "meh, whatever", and that alone will be enough to bring the whole thing down. Why fight for a country that hates you? Why care about the future when you have no children of your own to worry about? Why invest in society? Huge numbers of single men with no prospects and no incentive to participa…
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 05:54 PM
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Yep. If you're ugly, short or disabled, getting married is the worst decision you could ever make!
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 07:37 PM
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When women want something serious, most of them have to settle for a guy they have no sexual desire for. That's why we have so many unhappy marriages and high divorce rates. If you're ugly or short, DON'T get married!
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 07:34 PM
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Civilization can only withstand a certain percentage of unwanted males before it becomes unsustainable. Unwanted guys have no incentive to fight for or protect said society, they have no children to support, and no reason to have any ambitions beyond their own basic needs. People don't realize the damage those trends can do. These men would only need to be 25-30 percent of the total male population to utterly devastate the economy and leave the nation wide open to being taken over by another. If…
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 06:28 PM
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Whatever it is, I see it rising rapidly over the next 20 years. Times are about to get interesting.
/r/AllPillDebate20/01/23 04:29 PM
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The vast majority of today's long-term so-called romantic relationships and marriages are one-on-one long-term prostitution. Yeah, women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense. A lot of them will date and marry a man they're NOT sexually attracted to! You gotta screen out these settlers. If her 'attraction' to you isn't the physical kind, she can't be trusted for anything serious - high cheating/divorce risk, resentment, excessive demands in order to "compensate", bad attitude, dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 04:21 PM
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The tribes that adopted the marriage custom were able to beat and dominate all the tribes that didn't, because their societies were far more stable and organized. Men cooperated with each other instead of competing for mates, and they had a STAKE IN SOCIETY, something worth defending, like children of their own, a family, social status, etc. All the other tribes soon realized they'd better adopt that custom themselves or be wiped out.
/r/AllPillDebate20/01/23 03:58 PM
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Also keep in mind how many people are personally invested in keeping the current narrative alive - coping ugly guys, gold diggers, settlers, female players, feminists, the entire "dating advice" industry (both mainstream AND PUA/Game), and corporations (think of all the stuff men buy due to false beliefs about female sexual attraction). If too many men recognized that women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense, not only would our entire dating culture be changed significantly, bu…
/r/AllPillDebate20/01/23 03:53 PM
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Forcing women to date these men is a terrible idea, I agree 100%. The only moral solution is to teach these men how to improve their looks, and assist them in this process, like low-interest government loans for plastic surgery. I believe at some point we're gonna have to do something. If these leftover males end up growing to 25% of the male population, we're gonna have real problems. Legalizing prostitution won't work, hell, even subsidizing that shit won't work. "Mental health" services won't…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:40 PM
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Wanted to "wait until we're more serious" before getting sexual. Big red flag. Not interested in being settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 08:14 PM
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I know a lot of "Chad" dudes, many of them friends I've known since we were kids, and before they got married, damn near all of them would have at least 3 "serious" girlfriends at the same time. One guy was unemployed and had enough time to juggle 9 different women at once, ALL of them thinking he was exclusive to them! This shit is very common. It's why so many women whine about players.
/r/AllPillDebate12/01/23 10:32 PM
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Yeah really. And that trend is escalating. The beta-provider strategy won't even be viable for most guys anymore, only for literal rich dudes. We're gonna see an exponential increase in leftover males over the coming years, and it's gonna be interesting to see how society as a whole responds.
/r/AllPillDebate07/01/23 07:37 PM
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I predict we're gonna start seeing ugly guys dropping out of the dating game en-masse, now that they're realizing women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic, business-like sense. The only women an ugly man can get are those willing to settle for them, which comes with a whole host of problems and risks that make these arrangements not worth the trouble.
/r/AllPillDebate07/01/23 07:21 PM
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Lookism prejudice is very real! They ain't gotta date those guys or fuck them, just wish they'd stop being so damn RUDE to them. How fucking hard is it to just be CIVIL??
/r/AllPillDebate06/01/23 07:06 PM
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Yeah, learning that was a major eye-opener for me. They know full well they aren't being entirely truthful. They're trying to protect their own interests. A lot of women have a legitimate fear of men knowing too much, and for several reasons. Like, a LOT of men would be very angry and resentful, which would make the world even more unsafe for them. It would also make it harder for women to get married and raise families because guys would start screening out the women whose "attraction" to them …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 07:52 PM
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"Desirable" to women only in a pragmatic sense. Aint no way a guy at 65 year old is more sexually appealing than he was at 25 :).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:59 PM
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you can't listen to what they say. Watch what they do instead. Yep. Observe WHO they date, see what those guys have in common, then BE one of those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:52 PM
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......that most women can be bought for sex as long as you frame the exchange in a way that allows them to feel like it’s not prostitution. That's literally how it is, and it's the only reason non-attractive guys get any play. The typical non-attractive guy's marriage is pretty much just a trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:19 PM
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It depends. If we met in person and her attraction comes across as the settling kind, yeah, I wouldn't be interested. Like others have said, though, some guys just aren't photogenic and look better in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:49 PM
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Yeah, "game" doesn't work if you ain't got the fundamentals first - either enough looks to attract someone, or enough wealth or status to beta-bux. If you're both ugly in the face AND poor, "game" is a waste of time. Guys like that didn't get the results promised to them, so it's no wonder blackpill stuff is gaining steam.
/r/AllPillDebate26/12/22 10:09 PM
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hose guys are not slayers tho, but terminally online redditors don't know the difference and might be led to believe that such popularity equals being attractive/successful with women. SO TRUE! I was socially popular, but couldn't go beyond the friendzone. Most ugly and short guys assumed I was able to actually fuck those women, whereas good looking guys, who actually HAD real romantic experience, could tell we were just friends.
/r/AllPillDebate24/12/22 01:48 AM
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A MAN'S league is the women who will fuck him with no strings attached. A WOMAN'S league is the guys who are actually interested in something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 09:17 PM
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Holy hell is this the TRUTH! My social skills didn't truly develop until I fixed my looks. I was awkward and prone to mishaps because I had so few opportunities. Every time I tried, people immediately put up this wall I couldn't get past and gave me nothing to work with. They simply did NOT want to get to know me. After I fixed my looks, my social skills developed more in one month than in almost 30 YEARS!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:13 PM
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Because they now realize online dating has revealed too much :).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:02 PM
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Get your looks maxxed out first, then let THEM approach YOU. That's the safest strategy in today's times. Spam approaching women as an ugly dude is not only ineffective, but dangerous. More than once, I've seen women I know personally falsely accuse guys of sexual misconduct just because they didn't find them physically attractive. And they outright admitted to me it was all lies. They simply found the guy unattractive and wanted to punish him for that!
/r/AllPillDebate09/12/22 02:43 PM
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^^ THIS is your answer, OP. They're bitter that the girls in their own league (ugly, fat, disabled, etc) still reject them.
/r/AllPillDebate09/12/22 02:30 PM
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Other way around - women respect men they're attracted to :).
/r/AllPillDebate09/12/22 02:24 PM
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Lotta people reeeeaaalllly don't want the looks topic being discussed, hence the "incel" insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:01 PM
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They gotta keep plain looking dudes thinking the women they date are actually attracted to them and not just settling/betabuxing, otherwise those plain looking dudes won't marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:53 PM
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There definitely comes a point on the ugly scale where confidence works AGAINST you. Confidence enhances PRE-EXISTING attraction, but also MAGNIFIES a pre-existing lack of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:51 PM
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I'd suspect she's just settling for me and bail out of that relationship immediately. Maybe she's actually legitimate and telling the truth? Oh well. I'm absolutely not willing to take the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 07:30 PM
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I think the whole "sex is a need" meme is a red herring. The real need is feeling desired/wanted, having the knowledge that at least someone is genuinely attracted to you, NOT the sex act itself. Neither prostitution or sex robots will fix this. As for the guys who pressure a woman into sex and want to fuck someone who doesn't actually WANT them like that, maybe he's a sociopath, or has zero respect for her and just wants a hole to bust into. "Needs" ain't got shit to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 07:24 PM
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It's crazy how many women I've met who've said this themselves while in private. If they said these things publicly, they'd get crucified.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:15 PM
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Yeah, telling those guys to just ignore external factors reeks of a silencing tactic, more of a thought-terminating cliche than actual wisdom. The way others treat you and think of you absolutely DOES matter!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:03 PM
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While both are horrid options, I choose B, BY FAR!! Girl A will treat me like shit and use me, plus any sex will come with a price attached and won't be anything like what she gave other guys for free. When it comes to these kind of "relationships", it's better to be the prostitute than the trick/john.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 06:46 PM
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Diet, exercise and fashion can only boost a guy so much. If he's sufficiently ugly, even after doing everything right for 5 years straight, he'd still be below average. There comes a point where you have to consider plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:19 PM
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Yep. I predict we're going to see a massive and dramatic increase in women choosing not to marry if the men they actually want won't commit to them. Gone will be the days of average looking dudes dangling an average lifestyle like a carrot to entice some woman into settling for them. To put it in more crude terms, "non-Chads won't be able to betabux anymore" lol. Works out great for women over the short term, but I'm genuinely worried about what effect all these leftover males will have on socie…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:47 PM
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Skinny girls
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 06:22 PM
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That what they were told their whole lives was a lie and that they wasted so many years doing the wrong things all because people in their lives lied to them. This, right here. We've been constantly told women are "less visual than men" and an ugly guy can "compensate". But they leave out the part where women are only "less visual" in a pragmatic sense, and ugly guys' relationships are pretty much entirely transactional beneath the surface. Basically, if an ugly guy can't buff himself up to a "6…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 06:56 PM
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I almost did, but ended up breaking off the engagement for reasons completely unrelated to this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 09:12 PM
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Oh it happens alright. Only problem is those lower-SMV men are being settled for, and they would've been better off staying single. Relationships with women who merely gave you "a chance" usually end up being quite toxic in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:11 AM
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Please do :). Young men absolutely need to hear it! One of the top reasons guys find themselves in bad marriages is they don't filter out those women who're just settling for them. They're so enthralled by the fact she's prettier than anyone they've dated before, and they don't even bother to question the true nature of her "attraction" to him. Men have a hard time believing women can date a guy they're not sexually attracted to, but they definitely DO, and any man looking for a serious relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 09:36 PM
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If she doesn't find you good enough for something casual, she can't be trusted for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:28 PM
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I've come up with exactly the same strategy and it's consistently worked wonderfully. It screens out the women who only find you "attractive" in a pragmatic sense. The quality of relationships that started out as FWBs were on a whole other level - WAY more respectful, no more shitty attitude, no more excessive demands, far more faithful and trustworthy, etc. It's been a major eye-opening experience! Once you experience what it's like to be in a relationship with someone whose legitimately sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:26 PM
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Without looks, social status is just another form of currency to buy the companionship of a glorified prostitute willing to sell you an illusion of love. In other words, she may be with that ugly high-status guy, but it ain't genuine attraction.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/22 08:24 PM
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If you wanna play out of your league, you have to pay, either with wealth or high status. Also understand it's a business transaction on her end, only an illusion of love, and she WILL eventually resent you.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/22 08:19 PM
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*If you quote this in the documentary, please CENSOR MY USERNAME* The reason MGTOWs and incels exploded onto the scene over the last 10 years is a rapidly growing number of young men simply no longer make the cut. It's Generation Z that's responsible for the explosive growth. The recent shift toward emphasis on looks/height in the sexual marketplace, largely due to online dating and swipe apps, hasn't affected the older generations as much. The fact that incels are largely Generation Z is no coi…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/22 11:32 PM
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They figure if their only option is to betabux some settling whore, they might as well go where they can get a better price.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/22 10:41 PM
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Yeah man, I fear for the future, too. A moral solution DEFINITELY exists (surgery and steroids - that worked wonders for me!), but by the time the public finally wises up to this, all their previous attempts at a "solution" - each based on incorrect narratives about both leftover males and female sexual attraction - will have backfired and failed, then it'll be too late to save civilization. We won't have enough resources or stability left to even implement this solution.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/22 11:11 PM
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And I see the same problems you do with a massive population of sexless men, its only a matter of time before there are enough of them for bad things to start happening. Oh man, it's definitely only a matter of "when", not "if". And it ain't the incel fringe I'm most worried about. It's the plain looking normal dudes dropping out of the dating game and shifting their spending habits, which will wreck the entire economy in the process. Right now, it's the "2" and "3" guys who are throwing in the …
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/22 06:19 PM
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Here's the real answer in a nutshell: To shut them up and discredit them. The majority of them know damn well most ugly/short guys don't actually believe they're "owed" sex. It's all about shutting down any discussion that would lead to these guys discovering the truth about female sexual attraction. If enough plain looking guys realized women were only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense, settlers, gold diggers and the sociopathic types know what they stand to lose as a result. Plain lo…
/r/AllPillDebate22/10/22 08:21 PM
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That comment shows how utterly alien the world of a bottom-10% male is from everyone else. It ain't about a single relationship being some mythical key to happiness. It's about being completely and totally UNWANTED. It's not about the date or relationship. It's about NOT EVEN HAVING THE OPTION! What I've found actually gets through to these people is having them imagine the following: Imagine you're 35 years old. You've never held a girl's hand. You've never heard the words "I love you" from any…
/r/AllPillDebate21/10/22 08:32 PM
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Yeah, I wouldn't either. Another danger of settlers and gold diggers is false "rape" accusations. She already feels degraded because she's basically prostituting herself with you, so if you don't give her what she "worked" for, she could get real nasty.
/r/AllPillDebate21/10/22 07:16 PM
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LOL @ the downvotes. The women who do this shit definitely DON'T want men talking about it :). If too many men realized how common this is, as well as all the problems that come with it, then they'd start screening out these settlers instead of marrying them.
/r/AllPillDebate21/10/22 07:08 PM
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I've seen it, too. Ugly men's "relationships" are NOTHING to be jealous of! The constant disrespect, the resentment, the excessive demands....If a girl's "attraction" to you is the settling kind, she WILL treat you horribly. The only reason those guys even stay with the settling whore is because they were dumb enough to marry her and now their life will be even worse if they want out. There's a REASON so many married men tell their single counterparts not to do it!
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/22 12:04 AM
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Most guys don't have the looks to make any money with it.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/22 11:51 PM
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It's typically unattractive guys who do this. I don't condone their butthurt attitude, but I know exactly where it comes from. They get ignored/rejected constantly because they're unattractive. We're not talking being brushed off a few times, but literally 50 times in a row, again and again and again and again, over and over and over. Eventually they get so tired of it that they start copping an attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:28 PM
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HELL no! A girl who settles for you is pretty much guaranteed to be trouble down the line. High divorce risk, dead bedrooms, resentment, excessive demands (you're expected to "compensate" but it'll never be enough), cheating, picking fights, disrespect, etc, etc. A plain looking guy is better off single than getting with someone whose settling for him. Romantic love isn't a realistic expectation for everybody.
/r/AllPillDebate14/10/22 11:20 PM
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Blue. It's what got us into this mess in the first place.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/22 09:55 PM
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In today's environment, I really believe plain looking guys are better off staying single. Transactional "relationships" only "work" if you're in a position of power and control over her, which is why in the past women's freedoms were limited. With the way things are set up today, if she doesn't have that critical physical attraction to you, she won't respect you and will eventually resent you no matter how well you treat her.
/r/AllPillDebate08/10/22 09:00 PM
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I did the online experiment a few times myself, and it shook me right to the core! Completely changed the path my life took. Instead of saving for a downpayment on a house, I saved up for plastic surgery instead, and it worked out beautifully. I no longer struggle in the dating game and my quality of life improved dramatically. Over the coming years, I predict we're gonna be seeing a lot more guys doing this instead of buying homes, fancy cars, etc, and when the media reports on it, they're gonn…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:12 PM
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It's being sexually desired that I want. EXACTLY! People who think prostitution is the answer to incels don't realize this. It ain't about the old in-out-in-out. It's the fact that they're not wanted. The name "involuntarily celibate" is misleading as hell. They really need to come up with a different term.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:52 PM
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It absolutely floors me how many incel dudes would willingly get into a relationship with a girl they KNOW is just settling for them! Settlers/"pragmatic" girls are bad news...you'll get dead-bedroomed, disrespected, cheated on. She'll have excessive expectations of you in order to "compensate" for the lack of physical attraction, but it'll never be enough, and she'll end up sodomizing you in divorce court anyway. You GOTTA screen out the settlers! If she doesn't find you hot enough for somethin…
/r/AllPillDebate05/10/22 05:14 PM
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Oh man, you wouldn't believe how many times IRL I've seen dorky, weak looking guys describe themselves as "good looking" while telling me how hard they struggle! So many unattractive guys grossly overestimate where they stand in that department.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:38 AM
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it humanizes women This, right here. Your understanding of them is more limited when your only experience with them is in a sexual or romantic context.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 04:24 PM
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After fixing my looks and dramatically improving my dating success, THE one most important thing I learned is the dating game isn't anywhere near as "complex" as we've been led to believe :).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 11:30 PM
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As a guy, if you want a serious relationship, look for an FWB instead. 80% of the time, she'll eventually start pushing for a relationship, and SHE's a better choice than a so-called "normal girl" because you know her attraction to you is real. Gotta screen out the settlers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 11:25 PM
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The top 20% guys are skewing the averages. So many of them have had hundreds of partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 11:14 PM
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DEFINITELY a symptom. But that's too "problematic" for the media and academia to admit ;).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 10:24 PM
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Exactly. This idea that you can "create" sexual attraction where none exists isn't just a myth, but a very toxic one. It either leads guys to getting taken advantage of by settlers and gold diggers, or getting even MORE frustrated and angry because his "game" still isn't producing results.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 10:12 PM
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Pretty much my view as well. Unfortunately, the minimum threshold for a man's personality to help him seems to be getting higher and higher. If it gets to the point where "5" guys can't even betabux "4s" anymore, society is gonna be in serious trouble!
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 10:05 PM
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Oooooo man, so many businesses would be in a world of shit if too many average looking men realized women were only "less visual than man" in a pragmatic sense! These corporate leaders know exactly what they're doing. We've all heard the saying "you can't buy love", yet commercial interests have manipulated men into trying to do exactly that.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 07:08 AM
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Wealth can boost already-existing physical attraction, but absolutely will not trigger sexual attraction in a man she find physically below average. Her "attraction" to him is only pragmatic and negotiated, not what I'd consider legitimate, not something I would trust for anything serious.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 06:43 AM
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Let me let you in on a dirty little secret: They KNOW better, but won't admit it because that would discredit their narrative.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 06:23 AM
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I think a big part, is that with male virginity rising exponentially there is really no hiding the Blackpill anymore. Exactly. Once a critical mass of men are left out of the game due to rising female standards, bluepill propaganda will no longer work.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 06:21 AM
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When women find a guy too ugly or short, they don't just reject the guy, they want EVERYONE ELSE to reject him, too. That's pretty fucking sick.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 06:16 AM
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Yep. There's only so low a guy can be on the looks scale before trying to improve isn't even worth it. It'll bring a "5" up to a "7", but only bring a "2" up to a "4", which is still below average, and no amount of "game" will fix that. Redpill is dying because it only works for guys who are a "5" and above in looks. It doesn't work for the primary target market - ugly and short guys.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 06:01 AM
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Too many people are threatened by the truth - gold diggers, settlers, the entire "dating advice" industry, butthurt ugly/short guys who can't handle the truth, etc. And the corporate elites, too - just think of all the houses, boats, cars, vacation packages, jewelry, designer clothes, etc, that plain looking men purchase in order to "attract" a mate. The entire economy relies on men believing sexual attraction can be bought!
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 05:48 AM
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Of course, It jeopardizes their hustle. Women need ugly men to think the girls who are settling for them are actually sexually attracted to them, otherwise those men wouldn't fall for their scams.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/22 05:44 AM
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The attraction you feel for a beautiful man (if he's poor) is genuine, real, while the one you feel for a rich older man (if you feel any) is fabricated, negotiated, calculated. I let you choose the one you prefer. THANK YOU!! I've been telling guys this for years. Women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense, not sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:31 AM
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As a guy, the chances of getting financially ruined in a divorce are far too high. I'm not taking that risk!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:04 AM
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Not for the typical average looking guy, unless he gets VERY lucky. 90% of the women he "attracts" are merely willing to settle for him, and such relationships usually become quite toxic over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 11:29 AM
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Yep. If these leftover males end up being even just 20% of the male population, it's gonna affect politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 06:49 PM
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Most controversial opinion? We need to make plastic surgery affordable, to combat the growing number of guys who struggle in the dating game to the point of dropping out of it entirely. The greatest danger these guys pose isn't the fringe element that resorts to violence, but the economic consequences of an entire generation of guys simply "checking out" -- no kids of their own to support and spend money on, no more "dating game spending" (purchases guys make in hopes of attracting a mate, like …
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/22 05:01 PM
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This is exactly what's going to happen. All the ugly and short guys will simply check out of the game - no more kids to support, no more dating game spending (purchases men make in hopes of "attracting" a mate), and no more ambition to succeed beyond the minimum required to have a roof over their heads + personal entertainment. These guys only need to be about 20% of the total male population to crash the economy and collapse the government.
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/22 04:31 PM
2

Damn right! The socioeconomic consequences would be catastrophic.
/r/AllPillDebate01/09/22 04:21 PM
1

According to feminists, ANY explanation of why rapists do what they do is "rape apology" if it doesn't fit their narrative. It's manipulative as Hell!
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/22 05:29 AM
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Yeah the way so many women make prejudiced assumptions of ugly/short guys really gets to me. I'm not asking women to date or fuck ugly guys. As a matter of fact, I'm vehemently AGAINST settling and getting with guys for only pragmatic reasons. All I'm asking is that they stop being so damn prejudiced. Being ugly doesn't make you a rapist and being short doesn't make you a murderer! It's like saying being black automatically makes you a criminal.
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/22 05:16 AM
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essentially, you need to be the guy who can get casual sex to keep a good healthy relationship In today's environment, guys looking for a serious commitment definitely need to screen out the settlers. If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, she can't be trusted for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 02:23 PM
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Mark my words, we're gonna start seeing a LOT more of this shit over the coming years.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/22 10:41 PM
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Let me let you in on a dirty little secret: Most of them KNOW we have a valid point. Their supposed "misunderstanding" and "disagreement" about this topic is really just manipulation to protect their own interests. If too many men start choosing to stay single instead of being settled for, or no longer trust just any supposed "attraction" to them, they'll be a whole lot harder to run game on for favors, free drinks, etc, and a LOT harder to swindle into an unhappy one-sided marriage. There's als…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 01:00 AM
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Smart and self-aware women don't want plain looking guys knowing how the game REALLY works, hence all the strawmanning, gaslighting and trying to shut down certain discussions with shaming language. Plain looking guys who know the truth about looks are wary of settlers, gold diggers and other types, which makes those guys a lot harder to run game on or swindle into an unhappy one-sided marriage. There's also another reason why some women want to stop these discussions - fear. Let's be real, here…
/r/AllPillDebate25/08/22 10:32 PM
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Yep, a plain looking guy has to take what he can afford, not what he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:24 AM
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Yeah, something don't smell right about that. Really feels like they're just trying to shut down discussion of certain topics in order to protect their own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:53 AM
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Checking out of the dating game and staying single is the wisest choice for guys who can't compete in today's dating environment. Certainly better than "compensating" for your looks or height by buying the companionship of some girl whose only settling for you. Being alone sucks at times, but it's better than getting swindled into a shitty one-sided marriage!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:32 AM
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Personally, I wouldn't trust her for anything serious. Not taking any chances that she could be settling for me.
/r/AllPillDebate24/08/22 12:56 PM
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The awful truth is that, barring very rare exceptions to the rule, only good looking guys can get a woman who is legitimately into him in a romantic sense. We've been sold a myth that romantic love is a realistic expectation for everybody, but it isn't. 90% of plain looking guys' relationships and marriages are transactional arrangements masquerading as romantic love. Her "attraction" to him is only economic, but she will never admit this to him, and often times, not even to herself.
/r/AllPillDebate24/08/22 12:52 PM
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At this point, they've been backed into a corner. They know they HAVE to start persecuting this shit, or the public will take these types of accusations even less seriously.
/r/PussyPassDenied22/08/22 06:41 PM
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opts out and throws his "shit I gotta buy to meet the ladies" list in the garbage, .......... the men rejected sexually have no incentive to get resources only to be used as a host to a parasite who finds him otherwise reprehensible. THESE PARTS, RIGHT HERE are the real danger society faces with the new sexual marketplace. Too many leftover males, even just 20% of the male population checking out of the game like this, will utterly devastate not only the economy, but civilization itself.
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/22 10:10 PM
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Basically women make their own money and don't have to prostitute themselves for survival anymore, so they can afford to only get with guys they're physically attracted to, and they can afford to stay single if they can't get one of those guys. Generation Z is the first generation of women to fully embrace the new sexual marketplace. Only problem is, the vast majority of women are only physically attracted to the same small pool of men, which leaves an ever-growing number of leftover males who d…
/r/AllPillDebate21/08/22 01:52 PM
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Here's an unconventional idea that's proven very effective: As a man, if you want a serious relationship, look for an FWB. I'd say 8 times out of 10 it's only a matter of time before she tries to push for a relationship. The reason for this approach is it screens out the women whose "attraction" to you is only transactional. In today's world, a girl who doesn't find you hot enough for something casual cannot be trusted for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 01:25 PM
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I've done the fake pic experiment back in the day, and that experience shook me right to the core!! All those years, I thought I was "doing" or "saying" something wrong to get rejected all the time. I wasted so many years trying to "fix" a personality that was never broken in the first place. After running that experiment, I was never the same again. From that point on, I made it my life mission to get plastic surgery and put an end to this suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 10:35 AM
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Mark my words, we're gonna see a HUGE increase in "violence against women" over the next 20 years.
/r/PussyPassDenied18/08/22 07:21 AM
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Damn right! If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, she can't be trusted for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 09:12 PM
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If he can't make it, then he best walk away from the game. A guy who can't trigger real attraction can only "attract" the settling types, and it's better to stay single than be stuck in a bad marriage. This is better for his mental health in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 06:29 PM
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That was the other guy. I'm the writer of the original comment and was quite a bit older than 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 01:44 AM
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Even after getting dumped more than once, it never came back. The root of the severe depression was being unable to attract anyone. Now that that's no longer true, no more depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 01:37 AM
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EXACTLY! Women get with those guys IN SPITE of his horrid personality, not "because" of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 04:04 PM
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This is EXACTLY what happened to me. I fixed my dating life, and the suicidal depression went away completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 03:41 PM
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Yep. It's a straight up lie pushed by gold diggers who need ugly men to think they're not just "attracted" to them in an economic sense.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/22 12:36 AM
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Dead. I guarantee it. Getting blackpilled made me fix my looks, which was how I was finally able to start dating after a lifetime of nothing but rejection. The day after my first-ever date, I went and pawned my shotgun because I knew I wasn't gonna need it anymore.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/22 12:32 AM
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Doesn't matter if he left voluntarily or was SENT away, what matters is he's done with playing the game. A foreveralone/incel/reject who simps is still "useful" to women - free drinks, free favors, free repairs, gold digging, etc. IMHO, what makes a MGTOW is the decision to stop simping and falling for the scams.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/22 02:43 PM
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Pretty much my experience as well. The reason I was so shy in the past was because I was convinced I was "doing or saying something wrong". When I finally realized that wasn't the case, I not only lost all the anxiety in social situations, but I became a LOT more assertive and less tolerant of shitty behavior.
/r/AllPillDebate09/08/22 06:23 PM
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If you're an East Indian or Middle Eastern guy, you're pretty much fucked :(. I'm not at all surprised at how many such guys hang out on incel forums, subs, etc. Literally 25-30% of guys in those places are Indian or Middle Eastern - VASTLY disproportionate to the general population!! I wonder how much this has to do with their reputation, though. Indians are unfairly labeled as "dirty street shitters" and "scammers", and middle easterners are "the enemy" in the West. Religious differences likel…
/r/AllPillDebate05/08/22 05:41 PM
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The name alone is another thing that makes me suspect a gold digger or something. Some women call getting married "getting their Mrs degree", implying that they're using marriage as a purely financial move. And her general attitude is pretty typical of gold diggers and FDS types.
/r/AllPillDebate05/08/22 05:21 PM
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She single-handedly ruined the sub for me. HOLY HELL is she fickle and selective with what constitutes "rule breaking". Get this: First she temp-bans me for "incel content", then later after I'm back, she accuses me of trolling the incel members! Literally hunting for any reason to fuck with me. I think she's either a gold digger or a settler -- I go hard against those types and something I said in the past must've cut her deep.
/r/AllPillDebate05/08/22 01:34 AM
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focus on finance as number priority. While I'm impressed with most of this post, the quoted part concerns me a bit. Ugly guys using money to "attract" women is a baaaaaaaad idea! Better he remain single for life than be with someone who can only "love" him for that.
/r/AllPillDebate04/08/22 04:16 PM
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Marry the girl who loves you, not the one you have to chase. Too many men reject the "6" whose actually into them and go for the "10" whose only settling for them, then they wonder why they're trapped in an unhappy marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 05:31 PM
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that would be for the best for a young man like this. Because he will come to the conclusion sooner rather than later This, 100%. Learning the truth at a much younger age would've spared me a LOT of frustration and pain - not knowing WHY I was constantly rejected, trying every self-improvement trope under the sun and getting nowhere despite years of dedicated effort, being duped into thinking there was something I was "doing" or "saying" wrong, etc, etc. Better to just rip the bandaid off and le…
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/22 03:35 PM
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It's only "sexual harrassment" if an ugly guy has a crush on her.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/08/22 08:13 PM
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Hiring a female bouncer is a smart idea by the bar/club. MALE bouncers have to walk on friggin' eggshells when dealing with unruly women.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/08/22 08:00 PM
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I think this is really gonna backfire on them once enough men realize women are only SETTLING for plain-looking guys :).
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/22 07:40 PM
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Pretty much my story. Standards? What's that? After a lifetime of nothing but rejection no matter how much I lowered my standards, by my mid-20s, I'd lowered them to the point where I was asking out women so big they needed mobility assistance, women over 20 years my senior, disabled women, women with intellectual disabilities, even a burn victim who was missing her hair, an eye, her nose, her lower lip and half her teeth....yet STILL got continually, constantly rejected!!
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/22 01:54 AM
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Oh man, especially that mod MrsDegree. She'll single you out and LOOK for ANY reason to accuse you of breaking rules, and if she can't do that without being obvious, she has ways of harassing you in hopes that you'll leave.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/22 01:10 AM
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Exactly this. Guys knowing the bitter truth means they can adjust their strategies accordingly, AND makes them better at avoiding settlers and gold diggers.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/22 01:07 AM
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sexual market value =/= relationship market value Exactly. A MAN's league is who will fuck him with no strings attached. A WOMAN's league is who will COMMIT TO HER :). It's crazy how so many women don't know this and continue to get played, cheated on, etc.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/22 01:01 AM
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This is probably because more and more women are realizing that honesty about looks is now the safer option for them than lying about it.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/22 12:43 AM
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I'd do an "all men are Chad" experiment - 200 women and 200 guys living on an island for 30 years, but the guys would all be good looking. My hypothesis is we would finally see an equal and healthy dating market, with no more incel type thinking among the guys, and a much more stable, safer society, and the manosphere's idea that the majority of women would STILL only be genuinely interested in the same minority of guys....would be proven wrong. Sure there would still be some polygamous desires …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 05:31 PM
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Online dating and swipe apps exposed what women deliberately kept hidden from plain looking guys for thousands of years.
/r/AllPillDebate30/07/22 05:04 PM
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Oh man, I hear you on the gay guys. Contrary to the popular myth, men are FAR more forgiving of physical appearance than women! When I was ugly, I asked out women who were so large they needed mobility assistance, a burn victim who was literally missing half her face, a few with downs syndrome, and several who were over 20 years older than me....yet STILL got continually rejected! However, there were a few gay men I had a chance with. At the time, they were the only people in my entire fucking l…
/r/AllPillDebate30/07/22 04:58 PM
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I know 2 guys who literally haven't had a single match after YEARS of being on that site and swiping right on everybody!
/r/AllPillDebate30/07/22 04:33 PM
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It'll definitely improve your number, especially the guys who are just fat, lazy, etc. That said, there's only so low a guy can be until a guy is still below average after years of intense effort, like if he's 5'1, or on the extreme end of the ugly side. I was a case of the latter, and it took extensive plastic surgery until anyone was finally interested in me. And I do mean literally anyone. Around 4 months after my 3rd surgery, I went on my first date...with a woman who weighed over 400 pounds…
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/22 07:43 PM
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I hope this place grows. PPD used to be a legit debate sub until they became excessively heavy-handed about supposed "black pill content". And that's intentional. Women know damn well some of the blackpill stuff is actually correct, but they want that shit kept hidden because if those things became too well known, it'd be a LOT harder to manipulate guys for favors, free stuff, special treatment, etc, and swindle them into beta-provider marriages. Then you got some of the whack feminists who actu…
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/22 07:30 PM
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THIS part was genuinely hateful: "It's horrendous we would try to extend our humaneness so much that we're willing to HELP those who BURDEN US...." Wow! BTW, this attitude is exactly why I don't tell anyone I date I had a shitload of surgery. After I had my final procedure, I destroyed and deleted all old photos of me and moved way on the other side of the state so nobody would know I used to look completely different.
/r/AllPillDebate29/07/22 07:17 PM
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Below a certain point, relationships basically amount to mutual settling. It's quite sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:47 AM
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Yeah, it really feels like people are trying to protect a narrative. The idea that a guy can remain perma-single because of his physical traits (and not rich enough to "compensate" for it) raises too many inconvenient questions. When I was ugly, I didn't fucking DARE ask out anyone who wasn't at least as ugly as me. I've asked out women so large they needed mobility assistance, several much, much older women, and a burn victim who was missing her nose, half her hair, an eye and several teeth....…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:45 AM
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#3 is BY FAR the best option! I cannot express how much plastic surgery changed my life. I went from getting rejected by women so large they needed mobility assistance and women 30+ years older than me, to dating attractive women without much effort. I agree, fucking passionately, that plastic surgery needs to be made affordable for ugly guys! You can't force women to date ugly guys, so make ugly guys more attractive instead. BTW, I saw that link you posted. Holy shit! Yeah, you ain't kidding. G…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:28 AM
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Sure seems that way. In my 20s, I TRIED asking out women in their 50s-60s, disabled woman, including a few who were so obese they required mobility assistance. Still got rejected. It wasn't until after my 3rd plastic surgery that I was about to at least date women of this "caliber". Then the women I was able to date got more attractive with each surgery after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:16 AM
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THIS is the answer. /end thread. Have an upvote. The constant gaslighting and character assasination of ugly/short/disabled guys, that's the core issue here. Knock that shit off, then ugly and short guys would be a whole lot less angry. It's one thing that he can't get a girlfriend or a date, but the gaslighting and character assasination ON TOP of it is what pushes these guys over the edge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:02 AM
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And most of those who DO have girlfriends are being settled for, gold dug, played, etc. Ugly guys are better off staying single if they can't become decent looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:53 AM
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One thing I find that really "speaks" to a lot of those guys who want a girl to lower their standards and settle for them is telling them all the dangers and problems that come with getting settled on - very high divorce risk, dead bedrooms, being cheated on, mutual resentment, excessive demands (he's expected to continually "compensate" over the entire relationship, but it'll never be enough), disrespect, picking fights, stuck-up and snooty attitude, etc, etc. When they actually take a minute t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:45 PM
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Thankfully, there's no more pressure to do all this. That's why I advocate for a world where a woman will have a family only when she feels like she has found the sexually attractive guy (obviously he has to have other important qualities) AMEN to that! :). I'm a big believer of women only dating guys they're actually attracted to instead of prostituting themselves and trying to pass it off as "love". That plain looking dude is better off alone forever than with someone whose really only settlin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:42 PM
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won't know what genuine desire looks like and could mistakenly get together with somebody who's settling. That's sadly common. So many plain looking guys, even though they've been married and have kids, spend their entire lives blissfully unaware that they've never experienced what REAL attraction is like. There aren't enough sexually attractive guys to go around, so if a woman wants to get married, raise kids, etc, most will have to settle for a guy they have no sexual desire for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:41 PM
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That's like telling a girl, you may not be the one that he loves and cherishes, but you'll be the one he's always gonna call for a late night hookup. It's literally the EXACT COUNTERPART! Not good enough to be loved, but good enough to be played and used.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:25 PM
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Looks, by far, bar none, by long shot, point blank and period! Money/status without meeting that minimum looks threshold will only "attract" either gold diggers or women who merely settle for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:43 AM
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> valuing reciprocal attraction much more highly than men I have to say that's one of my pet peeves. Too many guys don't realize how important this is, and they wind up taken advantage of. It's by far better in the long run to be with another "6" whose legitimately attracted to you than a "10" who only finds you economically "attractive"!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:35 AM
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The animalistic "come over, fuck her, then leave" shit got old really fucking quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:13 PM
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There are settlers and gold diggers who literally try to argue that (while knowing damn well it's bullshit), and plenty of naive guys out there who actually believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:04 PM
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Exactly my experience as well. Before my surgeries, I couldn't trigger any romantic interest from women at all, not even those 3 times my weight with jacked up faces themselves. Now, it's a completely different story. Realizing the importance of looks and doing something about it literally saved my life!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 10:31 PM
2

Exactly. Certain things only ADD to basic attraction, not create it. If you don't meet a minimum physical threshold, the only way that girl is ever gonna be "attracted" to you is if you have enough status or wealth to BUY her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 10:18 PM
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Times have definitely changed. I see what my Generation Z little brothers, cousins and their friends go through, and holy shit! In my day, a plain looking 20 year old guy could get a plain looking girl with reasonable effort. Nowadays, that same kid can only get someone twice his weight who treats him like garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:51 PM
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Settlers don't want guys knowing women are only "less visual than men" in a business sense, otherwise guys would see the difference between real attraction and the kind you basically buy with status and/or wealth. It's hilarious when people point to guys like Danny Devito as "proof" of the Less-Visual myth, when 95% of ugly guys' relationships are really just transactions! Most guys aren't interested in a live-in prostitute and would rather stay single forever than be with someone who isn't hone…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 09:15 PM
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Of course, the tactit admission that these men and a big portion of others can only get relationships on the condition that they provide wealth and/or social status and nothing else has a lot of implications people won't really want to talk about. Damn right. Shows how women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:19 PM
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There are guys who don't focus on these things who also tend to attract more girls (where these girls themselves have good jobs and degrees). These guys have instead focused their lives on gym, fashion, masculine charisma, game, etc. This is definitely one thing that's killing motivation for guys to go the "provider" route (good job, ambitions, husband material, etc). We see far too many guys who do none of those things yet get with women more attractive than what we can get with our good jobs a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:01 PM
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Oooo man, yeah, it really boils my piss when people automatically assume if a guy can't get a partner he must be a terrible person. Those folks are literally the minority. The ones I ran across often had better than average personalities, all around solid dudes who just got dealt a bad hand in the gene lottery. Some people don't like acknowledging that too many such folks exist because A) it raises too many uncomfortable questions, B) it doesn't paint humanity in a good light, and C) they think …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:51 PM
1

One of the strangest or most sobering realisations about the SMP was the married or taken women who were willing to cheat. I genuinely thought women were not like that until I got some angry calls from husbands and boyfriends after the fact. I've noticed similar as well. The easiest women to get into bed aren't single women, but ugly men's wives and girlfriends -- by far!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:13 PM
1

My experience doesn't involved weight loss, but is fundamentally the same concept: Extensive orthodontic and plastic surgery radically transformed my dating life. Before, I literally couldn't attract anyone at all despite very low standards. A month after my 3rd surgery, I went on my first date, and the women I was able to date got more attractive with each surgery after that. After the 9th and final one, I was dating "7s" and "8s" consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:00 PM
1

All of my long lasting relationships started that way. Same here. And not just longer lasting, but the entire vibe of those relationships was completely different than my "Beta Bob" relationships. Like, completely different! Since then, my rule is as follows: If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, then she can't be trusted for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:41 PM
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Marrying someone that's only interested in you because you have money is no different from buying hookers. Actually, it's worse. Exactly! I cringe when people tell ugly guys to "attract" women with wealth. It's terrible advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:22 PM
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Definitely been my experience. With exactly ONE exception, every guy I've met who had extreme difficulty was a combination of A) either much shorter than average, or well below average in looks, or disabled or fat, and B) didn't have enough money/status/power to "attract" a woman willing to "overlook" his physical flaws. Due to some nerd hobbies, I've met around 40 or 50 such guys, and every last one of them fit this pattern. That 1 exception? Good looking dude, but gave off serious serial kille…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:54 PM
3

"It's not rape if he's hot" lol. I actually overheard a girl SAY that once!
/r/MensRights01/07/22 06:28 PM
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Especially guys who shoot their shot and she ain't interested. A guy whose only "crime" is being 5'6" or having a big nose doesn't deserve to be lumped in with rapists and child molesters.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 12:55 AM
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The feminists want to legalize polygamy. And that would be a BIG mistake! We have a problem with too many leftover males as it is, where the bottom 20% of guys struggle to the point that they literally can't even attract anyone at all! Legalizing polygamy would put HALF of men into that situation, which would utterly devastate the economy.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 05:09 PM
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Ooooooooh shit! If this passes, get the popcorn ready.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 03:21 AM
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Her "apology" rings hollow and fake. She's only "sorry" she got cancelled.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 03:16 AM
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They really do believe in unequal rules. Hypocrisy means nothing to them. Having 2 sets of rules is their way of asserting dominance and sending a clear message.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 12:54 PM
1

This is revenge for the recent Roe v Wade development. This idea is totalitarian as hell!! The feminists will twist things to tell you the government is"forcing" women to carry a baby to term, and how THAT's totalitarian, but it isn't, and don't let them pull that shit.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 12:49 PM
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it has never been more dangerous for men to have sex than anytime in history Damn right!! False accusations, gold diggers looking for a "child support" handout, others using pregnancy to manipulate, STDs, etc. Can't even see a hooker, as that "profession" is full of sociopaths. I'm convinced the sex doll industry is gonna skyrocket over the coming years and am already hunting for ways to invest in it.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 12:42 PM
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They're only gonna "sex strike" the "beta" males, not the guys they actually WANT to fuck :).
/r/MensRights27/06/22 12:25 PM
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On it's own, MGTOW just means "I've checked out of the dating game". Some quit because the dating game has become too toxic and risky. Others quit because all they ever had was rejection. As it's people who threw in the towel and quit, it's inevitable they're also gonna attract guys who have a grudge against women.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 04:30 PM
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I think times are gonna get interesting over the coming years. As of recently, the increase in number of FtM's has started to outpace MfF's by a large margin. With this growing number of men who've literally lived on BOTH sides of the gender divide, we're gonna see more of them calling out the cultural bullshit.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 09:07 PM
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We cool, no worries. People like yourself and some close friends in real life are literally the only reason I never hated women as a whole. The so-called "feminists" are going about things in the absolute worst way possible. I'm convinced beyond hope of ever changing my mind that they aren't really trying to "eliminate" misogyny, but deliberately trying to breed more of it. Men who actively hate women are only playing right into their hands and furthering their true agenda. If "feminists" were r…
/r/MensRights24/06/22 08:46 PM
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Damn right! I was an ugly fellow for most of my life, and I can tell you that so many women are absolute lookist bigots themselves. And I "love" how people hold up ugly guys with girlfriends as "proof" to the contrary....9 times out of 10, she's prostituting herself for something (security, money, favors, social status, etc) and has no real respect for him. Just because she marries and has kids with a guy doesn't mean she's actually attracted to him.
/r/AntiFeminists24/06/22 04:26 PM
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Oh that place makes them "learn and grow" all right....as in learn how to gold dig and grow into a total piece of shit.
/r/AntiFeminists24/06/22 04:21 PM
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If women are being groomed into feeling proud to pay alimony, then I foresee a future full of male gold diggers......
/r/MensRights22/06/22 05:06 PM
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The only men these types respect are those they're afraid of.
/r/PussyPassDenied22/06/22 04:18 PM
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her prostitution advertisements Typical of prostitutes to act like this, angry at all men because a few ugly/short ones fucked them.
/r/PussyPassDenied22/06/22 04:05 PM
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For the most part, this is two different groups of guys. On one side, we have naive older guys who would rather be settled for than be single, and still haven't figured out that this simply doesn't work in today's environment. On the other side are the young guys who've grown up with the new dating environment and would rather stay single than be settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:52 PM
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One set of rules for one's self, but another set of rules for everybody else lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:09 PM
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I'll never understand it, either. When a girl who shot me down because of my looks suddenly became interested after I fixed them, I wasn't offended at all. Women aren't intentionally choosing to be attracted to what they're attracted to. They can't help it, so holding it against them is an asshole move.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:16 PM
2

Sex dolls don't look or feel realistic yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:30 PM
6

THIS, right here is the correct answer. Too many people dropping out of the standard Life Script will eventually starve the system, and they won't need to be anywhere near the majority of the population to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:28 PM
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The thought of this situation becoming more common raises too many uncomfortable questions, so they react with covert hostility.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:05 PM
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I'll say it again, false accusations are the female sociopath's bread and butter. That's why they're pushing "believe all women" so hard.
/r/PussyPassDenied12/06/22 02:32 PM
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Aw man, don't even get me started on that "believe all women" shit. False accusations are one of the primary tools female narcissists/sociopaths use to manipulate and extort people, so naturally they will try to protect its effectiveness. If people stopped automatically believing that stuff, man haters, gold diggers and sociopaths would lose their most powerful manipulation tool.
/r/PussyPassDenied12/06/22 02:21 PM
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"This isn't what we mean when we demand gender parity" Yeah, no shit. They want supremacy and vengeance, not equal treatment.
/r/PussyPassDenied12/06/22 01:49 PM
1

I HAVE made that choice and am still far more satisfied with life than before. I'd much rather be anally penetrated and shot to death than EVER go back to the life I lived when I was ugly!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:55 PM
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Damn right! This is what pisses me off about all the other manosphere factions. Somebody from the "other side" is trying to show support and they immediately start shitting on her. I understand why guys get suspicious - lot of bad-faith actors out there - but don't be an asshole.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 08:46 PM
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I deeply regret it. Lost one of my best friends because of it. Ain't ever doing that shit again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 09:27 AM
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No, it's not women having casual sex that will cause societal decline, but too many leftover males deciding to check out of the dating game. Those guys would only need to make up 30% of the total male population to cripple the economy and cause all sorts of different social problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 08:26 AM
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This, right here. Men need to step up their game in the looks department. This ain't the 1950s anymore. The "betabux" strategy no longer works like it used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 08:20 AM
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This is why more and more unattractive guys are checking out of the dating game, retreating into their videogames and porn. What they can get ain't worth all the work required. Can't say I blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 08:03 AM
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Exactly. Looks get your foot in the door. If you can't get that foot in the door in the first place, it's game over.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 07:55 AM
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To a point. As long as he doesn't have poor social skills - i.e. he can make friends and keep them, he'll do just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 07:52 AM
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There's a limit to what "game" can do. With guys who fall below a certain looks threshold, all "game" can do is help them be a more efficient betabux.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 03:20 PM
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Ah yes, social media, online dating and swipe apps exposed what has been deliberately kept hidden from plain looking guys for thousands of years. Those plain looking guys are now realizing that women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense, which makes the settlers and gold diggers nervous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:49 PM
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Amen to that. You're not alone, brother. More and more guys are starting to think the same. Better to be single than with some settling prostitute whose only selling you an illusion of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:34 PM
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machiavellian and sociopathic. Damn fucking right! Selling some poor guy a fake illusion of love is manipulative as all Hell. And it takes a dishonest person to do that. Women with integrity don't do this shit. She's rather stay single if she can't get someone she finds sexually attractive. And this is what's driving the growing number of women who never marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:27 PM
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They're judging their attractiveness based on the guys who will sleep with them, not the ones who will commit to them. A woman's true league is the guys who will commit to her. A MAN's true league is the women who will FUCK him with no strings attached.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:24 PM
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I think more women are finally realizing the cat is out of the bag and recognizing that honesty is now the best course of action. At least now, the guys who can't handle the truth well can't also be mad at them for lying :).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:18 PM
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A-fucking-men, brother! Once you've experienced 1 or 2 relationships with a woman who is legitimately, genuinely attracted to you, you'll never look at "average" relationships the same way again. It becomes easy to spot a settler from a mile away and drop them quick. Unfortunately, like the OP said, this isn't realistic for guys who aren't good looking. These plain looking fellows are better off staying single than being with someone whose really only prostituting herself and selling him a false…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:01 PM
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> The problem with these guys is that most of them look average at best and yet they expect their partners to see them as the Chad that they are NOT, so they are asking for the impossible. More and more of those same guys are recognizing this and would rather stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 12:57 PM
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It's the good looking guys and gay dudes driving up the statistics. Exclude them, and the statistics for guys would look pretty damn dismal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 12:51 PM
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I'm not bartering for love. Amen to that! Same with a growing number of guys these days. "Love" you have to barter for is basically dishonest prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 12:39 PM
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I've SEEN it in action more than once. Even confronted a girl once for doing that shit to my friend, and she outright said checking out someone who looks better than you is wrong. Like WTF kind of thinking is that??
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 08:49 PM
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in their zeal to be rid of the old way, women charged headlong into something worse. I think that's gonna be even more obvious over the coming years. If it gets to the point where 30% of the male population either has no desire or no hope of starting/supporting a family, it'll cripple the economy and destabilize society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 08:24 PM
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Yep. More than half the women I know have used Tinder at least once. Plus I've had a lot of success with it. 40% women sounds about right. Problem is, you have to be either good looking or obviously wealthy, otherwise it's gonna be a barren wasteland. I have male friends who live in the same city as me, and not one of the guys below a "6" ever met anyone with it despite swiping right on everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 08:16 PM
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The one thing stopping legalized prostitution from changing the dating game is the price. $300 an hour is pretty pricey for a guy with an average income, and completely unaffordable for the guy struggling to live on $300 a week. If guys could bang a decent hooker for $50, now THAT would change things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 12:06 PM
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Yeah, more and more women are finally admitting things, realizing that honesty is becoming the safer option than the traditional white lies they used to rely on. At least this way, ugly and short guys can't also be mad at them for lying to them. It really seems like we're heading towards a society where "letting a guy down easy" gets the same reaction as hard "no" plus a few insults thrown in. The same guys who don't handle rejection well aren't as naive as they used to be. This worsening male b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 11:42 AM
1

We really need to do away with "the guy always pays" because too many people out there are just scamming guys for free stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 03:37 PM
1

"Being yourself" only works if you either have enough looks to attract a woman or enough status/wealth to "attract" a settler or gold digger. My view is, don't change WHO you are. Just change the cosmetics, and don't try to "earn" her attention with money/status.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 03:28 PM
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I still see a lot more value in owning up to this kind of model than in having an half assed supposedly true love relationship. Statistically, most people won't ever get to meet a reciprocated "great love of their life"... Amen, sister. What really bothers me isn't the fact that it's like this, but how our culture refuses to own up to it, and the willful dishonesty of some people. Like the other reply said, there's the Hollywood influence, but there's also another factor. There are benefits, alb…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:06 PM
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It's so revealing: They'd rather have Mr Hot guy settle for them than be with a guy on their own level who actually wants them. Me personally, I'd much prefer a "6" girl whose actually into me than a "10" whose settling on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 10:06 PM
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The expectation of 'romantic love for everybody' was not a thing until very recently in human history, and it's caused a lot of damage to relationships as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 09:58 PM
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Strategic move by the feminists....distancing themselves from those who say the quiet parts out loud, like FDS members :).
/r/PussyPassDenied07/03/22 06:23 PM
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I've seen this with unattractive and short guys. These guys openly admit that they'd gladly marry a girl they KNOW is only settling for them, and yes, they KNOW the risks and pitfalls of doing this! This is a level of desperation so extreme that women and attractive men simply cannot comprehend it, much less even begin to relate to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 12:06 PM
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#2 is what honest women with integrity do. #1 is what settlers and gold diggers say, as they don't wanna face the fact that they've reduced themselves to a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 11:59 AM
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I did. And it completely transformed my love life. We're gonna be seeing more men doing this in the future, I pretty much guarantee it. Right now there's still a stigma, but as the dating game gets more competitive, guys are gonna start doing it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 11:54 AM
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If she "loses" her desire, it's a 90% chance she never truly had it for you in the first place. Once she has you locked down, she doesn't have to pretend anymore, and you find out how "attracted" to you she really was the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:52 PM
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if a guy doesn't think his girl is hot for him, treating him like her best, he should leave before the relation goes deeper. Exactly. Screen out the settlers. Too many women marry guys they're not sexually attracted to, and it's the main reason behind so many relationship problems. She won't respect him and will eventually resent him. Yet these women prefer to prostitute themselves like this rather than stay single, which is why they're so uncomfortable about men not wanting to be settled for (j…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:50 PM
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A guy has to do everything he can to BE remarkable, so he can trigger real attraction. If he can't trigger real attraction, he shouldn't marry. Settling is "realistic" in the sense that it's common, but that doesn't mean it's healthy. More and more guys would rather stay single, and THAT's the part that has the settlers spooked. THIS is why we've been getting so many of these settler-splaining posts lately. Times are changing and settlers don't like it. Yes, it's gonna be harder for settlers to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 10:52 AM
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Average and below-average men are wising up about female sexual attraction, and the settlers/gold diggers/FDS'ers know it. That's why we've been getting so many of these settler-splaining posts lately. Gotta protect the narrative and their "livelihoods" ;).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 05:18 PM
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Also add those girls who "have" to get married or just "have" to have kids and raise a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:42 PM
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Amen, brother. All it takes is 1 or 2 relationships with a girl who is legitimately attracted to you, and you'll never look at "average" relationships the same way again. The whole dynamic is entirely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:40 PM
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So many common relationship problems are the result of somebody feeling like they settled: Cheating, high divorce rates, dead bedrooms, lack of respect, resentment, excessive demands (he has to continually "compensate" for his appearance for the entire relationship, but it's never enough), entitled mentality, snobby attitude, relentless "shit-testing", picking fights/starting drama, etc, etc. Once she has you locked down, that's when you find out how "attracted" to you she really was the whole t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:05 PM
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Attractive. Bar none, by far, point blank and period! If I wanted a prostitute, I'd rent one, not marry one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 12:27 PM
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Exactly. Any woman who says what they're sexually attracted to dramatically "changes" with age is being intentionally dishonest and she knows it. I can believe it when she's 50 and wants a 53 year old in-shape guy with grey hair, but if she tries to say she's into a total Poindexter whose also shorter than she is, I'm calling bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 12:20 PM
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I don't know how you don't understand that you are in fact settling. Oh they know exactly what they're doing, and they know they're not being truthful when they say they're "in love" with the guy they settled for. Less-attractive men are wising up and it's making the settlers very nervous, hence the lies and gaslighting tactics. What a woman is attracted to, sexually, doesn't just "change" to the extent they want us to think. They're only "less visual than men" in a practical sense, and they kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 12:01 PM
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Yeah, you're better off single than being with a settler or gold digger, which are the only women unattractive guys can "attract". Love and attraction ain't in the cards for everybody. Best option for unattractive dudes is to walk away from the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:31 AM
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The men they have to settle for when they're older are generally less attractive, hence the higher price.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:18 AM
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THIS, right here is the answer. We could all argue over whether or not women are being paranoid, but that's a red herring. The fear exists, period, and it's a critical component of relating to women. Fear is by far the worst attraction killer. Even if he's 6'1 with the face of a movie star, if he come across in a sketchy way, he's done for. More guys are wising up, though, and we may be heading into a future where honesty is the safer choice. Anything less than a blatant "yes" - with no flaking …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 10:48 AM
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Bad sex is the BEST a settler can offer you lol. A relationship or marriage with one is pretty much all negative once she has you locked down: cheating, dead bedrooms, entitled attitude, arrogance, resentment, high divorce risk (and chances of a nasty one), lack of respect, picking fights, relentless "shit-testing", etc.....and here's a big one....excessive demands, as you'll be expected to continually "compensate" for the lack of sexual attraction, but it'll never be enough. If she doesn't find…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:55 PM
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a girl might them attractive with time but not at the first meet. To me, that's a red flag. Anything other than "Chad" attraction (sexual desire at first sight), is suspect and cannot be trusted for anything serious. Exceptions happen, yes, but it'd be very unwise to take any chances when it comes to marriage or serious commitment. If a guy can't trigger that kind of attraction, he shouldn't marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:07 PM
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find the avg dude and lie to them that you love them and find them attractive now because you have matured or some shit. It's so deceptive how they do that. It's basically fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:01 PM
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Settlers are only good for pump and dump, never commitment :). If she doesn't see me as her "Chad", she ain't marriage material. If she doesn't find me hot enough for something casual, she can't be trusted for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:58 PM
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In order for AF/BB to work, the BB have to be ignorant about being settled for. EXACTLY! This is why settlers and gold diggers panic/gaslight/insult/obfuscate/lie when we point out women are only "less visual than men" in a practical sense. A man's looks DO matter when it comes to legitimate sexual attraction :).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:10 PM
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Hell, even staying single forever is better than being settled for. So many guys with little relationship experience have no idea of the Hell that awaits them if they marry someone who settled for them! And yes, it's absolutely degrading as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:59 PM
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Maybe this is why men emphasize sex so much; the passion she has for you is the only way to know that you've genuinely been chosen rather than settled for. It IS why we do this :). If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, even hypothetically, then she can't be trusted for anything serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:40 PM
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Women are only "less visual than men" in a practical sense. So many of them willingly date/fuck/marry guys they're not sexually attracted to, which is a huge factor behind so many relationship problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:33 PM
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Yep. If she has to "warm up to you" first, there isn't enough sexual attraction for a long term relationship to work. Settlers are to be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:22 PM
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It IS upsetting :(. But such guys are better off in the long run by understanding this. It's better to be alone than in a shitty relationship, or worse, swindled into a loveless marriage. Unattractive men should avoid marriage because, as a general rule, the only women these men can "attract" are settlers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:06 PM
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They're getting the correlation confused. They treat the men who love/respect them like garbage. Treating the guys they actually want like that won't work. Any handsome guy who knows he's desired ain't gonna put up with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 12:55 PM
1

It's whether THEY think I'm a prize or not that determines the results, not my own opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 12:49 PM
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it is hard for a lot of guys, red pill guys in particular, to buy that a woman making them wait made other men wait as well. Damn right. If she "makes me wait", she gets dumped, no exceptions. I'm not taking any chances that she could be settling. A relationship with a settler is gonna be nothing but heartache in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 10:06 AM
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If she doesn't find me hot enough for something casual (even hypothetically), she can't be trusted for something serious. End of story. I will never budge on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 02:06 PM
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And when men cannot get her real attraction they will not hesitate to use status or wealth just to get sex from her at the least and then move on to the next girl. Exactly. Settlers are only good for pump and dump. Women who are settling for you are basically just dishonest prostitutes and can't be trusted for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 01:58 PM
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All the enemy would have to do is promise our leftover males a wife in exchange for their loyalty, and we'd be done for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:21 AM
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PUA: Thinks there are verbal "cheat codes" to sexual attraction no matter how short, fat, disabled, old or ugly a guy is. Big on cold approaching in public. These guys are the textbook definition of creeps. TRP: Descended from PUA, but a little more realistic than the latter. Encourages weight lifting, dressing well, etc. Only problem is, there's only so much a guy can do. Diet/exercise and some "game" ain't gonna make a "2" guy hot. Below a certain point on the looks hierarchy, your only real o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:23 PM
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Exactly. Diet and exercise can only carry a guy so far. If you have bad facial bone structure, your only real option is playing the beta provider game because no woman is gonna be with you just to be with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 02:23 PM
2

Honestly I think autism is just an easy excuse to dismiss people around here. Agreed. It's straight up dismissive, and the people who are doing it know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 01:52 PM
2

I wouldn't go THAT far, but I completely understand the underlying point. If she doesn't find you at least a "7" in her book, and if she doesn't play by the same rules with YOU that she did with the good looking guys she fucked for free, she's settling on you and can't be trusted for commitment no matter how much she tries to convince you it's because "she's changed".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 01:41 PM
1

DAAAAAMN. Good point! I forgot all about that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 03:48 AM
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Agreed. The future of the manosphere is a hybrid of MGTOW and a toned-down version of the Black Pill. It's become all too obvious that Redpill/PUA stuff only works for guys who are at least moderately physically attractive. If you're like 5'3", or have bad facial bone structure, the best that Redpill can ever do for you is make you a more effective beta provider. If he doesn't have enough wealth/status to "attract" some girl with an agenda, he's pretty much screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 12:56 AM
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"All Women Are Like That" Only ugly and short guys say that. Women are "like that" with them because the only ones they can "attract" are those with an agenda - settlers, gold diggers, etc. Women with integrity don't date guys they're not sexually attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 12:35 AM
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Exactly my feeling, too. If she doesn't treat you like she treated Chad, she's just settling for you and can't be trusted for anything serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 10:50 AM
1

Yep. Women have a valid point in this particular instance when they talk about the "male ego".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 09:04 AM
1

Jewish folks should be very concerned about the rising antisemitism within the Left. They'd be getting sandwiched on both ends from antisemites on the extreme right, AND among the leftists. On the plus side, maybe this will be the cognitive dissonance the Left needs to finally put an end to all this excessive "woke" craziness.
/r/MensRights06/02/22 06:05 PM
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A lot more focus on a man's looks and sex appeal. If she's gonna be a sugarmama, he better fucking be hot. Only problem is, that's gonna mean a shitload of leftover males, far too many to sustain a civilization. Better start learning Mandarin, because the West will be so severely destabilized that they'll be begging for the Chinese to take over.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:51 PM
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Fuck games. If you gotta constantly "game" a girl, she ain't worth keeping.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:42 PM
1

Leftover males will indeed become a major problem They don't need to be anywhere near the majority of the male population to terminally poison society, and they don't need to even actively DO anything! Just their collective inactivity, laziness and apathy alone will wreck the economy and rob our children and grandchildren of their future. What's the solution? Legalizing prostitution won't work. Forcing women to lower their standards won't work. Instead, bring those males UP to women's current st…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:35 PM
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oooo man, I see that shit already on the regular. Having "hot guy" friends is quite the experience. You see a whole different side of women they don't want average looking guys to know about. When it's a guy they're legitimately attracted to, they're just as "pervy" and lecherous as men . These women's male counterparts would be hit with sexual harassment lawsuits left and right. Any guy who says women aren't sexual beings simply isn't attractive enough to ever see that side of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 05:04 PM
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The future of dating over the next 50 years is gonna be grim :(. Overt prostitution/sugaring and sex dolls/VR porn will be the norm for "5/10 and below" guys, and women will have to choose between either overtly polygamous relationships, or being just a bootycall. The only people who will have it good are the tall/attractive men. Everybody else will be miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 04:43 PM
2

"Like that" typically means: - Rude - Demanding, while giving next to nothing in return. - Fickle/flaky/unpredictable. - Unfaithful It's no coincidence that the majority of men who think "all" women are like this are either shorter than average, or with below average looks, or much older than the women they're trying to date. The only women who will date them are those with an agenda or ulterior motive. Honest women with a good heart don't date guys they're not sexually attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 04:35 PM
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" .....one compliment to most men on a regular day will stay with them for years to come." So true! I vividly remember the first time I ever got a compliment, and that was over 20 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:43 PM
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I meant "dropping out" of the sexual marketplace, not the workplace. They'll still work, because like you said, "we still have to feed ourselves". But single men with no plans to start a family or attract a woman tend to not spend much - he has no children to support, and is content with a more modest lifestyle. Get enough of those guys and a lot of industries will feel the pinch - wedding industry, divorce lawyers, child care, luxury shit, expensive housing, etc, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:44 PM
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And here's the scary part: The whiplash we see today is only the beginning. It's gonna get a lot worse, VERY rapidly. There's been a 50-year cultural delay between women making their own money, and women actually choosing their partners accordingly. Generation Z and late Millenials seem to be the first generation of women to truly embrace this change. Works out great for women, but I foresee the number of leftover males who no longer make the cut growing large enough to pose serious economic, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 12:30 AM
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Times are indeed changing. A man's ability to provide simply doesn't hold anywhere close to the same bargaining power it used to. Women make their own money and can afford to only date guys they're legitimately attracted to. The "betabux" strategy is going obsolete. And not just for women. More men are abandoning this strategy as well, as they're finally realizing you can't buy or earn sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 10:36 PM
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I agree 100%. This is why legalizing prostitution won't fix anything. The real root of all the male anger out there is NOT about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:26 PM
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That's the thing. All this "you're just entitled" shit is just a gaslighting/character assassination tactic intended to shut you guys down. They know damn well most guys who are depressed and disappointed with their lot in the dating game aren't "entitled incels".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:22 PM
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Congrats :). I've had surgery, too, and it completely transformed my life. One caveat, though, is I didn't get just one, and it took a shitload of them to get where I'm at today. Unless you're "almost there" to begin with, one procedure won't do much. If your first surgery doesn't get you a date, don't give up. I didn't get my first date until after my 3rd surgery, and after that, the women I was able to date got prettier with each surgery after that. Anyhow, I think you made a wise decision and…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:06 PM
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Even if the guy finds a woman, the odds are very high that it is a BB deal. This is the saddest part of it. The only women ugly/short/disabled guys can get are those with an agenda - settlers, or gold diggers, or status whores. I LMAO when people point out "ugly guys get girls all the time". Of course they do, but it ain't real attraction. I can understand guys believing this shit, but when women say it, they are deliberately obscuring the issue and they know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:51 PM
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VERY true! If you're plain looking, don't get married. If I wanted a prostitute, I'd rent one, not marry one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 10:12 PM
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Whacking off just doesn't "hit" me the same way as a good fucking - at all. In fact, there are times where I can't get off from whacking anymore and nothing short of the real deal will work. It's times like that when I totally understand why Chad dumbster dives and fucks a "fat chick" out of convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 09:29 PM
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Nor do I. At best, all being dominant does is make a girl behave. It doesn't make her respect you, it just makes her more covert and discreet about her real feelings. And dom shit alone absolutely does not trigger sexual attraction if she finds you physically ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 09:19 PM
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I don't buy that willing-to-message "rebuttal", either. In the case of those plain looking guys, when a woman is "willing to message", she's willing to settle. She's lowering her standards in the looks department and willing to prostitute herself for security and the possibility of a good divorce payout if her beta provider gets too uppity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 09:11 PM
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Most men "pass the looks threshold" to be settled for and "betabuxed" lol. Only around 40% of guys have enough looks to trigger real attraction in some women, and only around 15% have the looks to trigger that in most women. If you're not at least a "6", the only women you'll get are those willing to settle for you and sell you an illusion of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 09:04 PM
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It was only a matter of time before they got exposed, since it doesn't work for the people they originally marketed it towards - ugly guys, short guys, disabled guys, much-older guys, nerds, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 02:37 AM
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Exactly. It'll help a 6 or a 7 guy, as long as his standards are reasonable. It WON'T help the 2's and 3's. Plus diet and exercise can only carry a guy so far. If you got a screwed up face, diet and exercise will only bump you up to a "4", not high enough to get results with "game", and not high enough to ever get genuine sexual attraction and legitimate respect from a woman. The only real option for a guy like that is to be a beta provider. Redpill can at least teach him how to beta provide in …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 02:21 AM
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Exactly! This idea that a woman who finds you physically ugly can later find you sexy if you show the right "inner beauty" or "game" is total BS. Without good looks, you're either a friend, a creep, or a guy she settles for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:58 PM
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Coming to that realization blew my mind as well, and I've never approached dating the same way since. If a guy wants something serious, I can't stress enough how important it is for him to screen out the settlers and stay AWAY from those girls who only find him "attractive" in a practical sense. But, there's a big problem here.....In order to screen out the settlers, you have to know what real attraction looks like. The typical plain looking fellow has only ever dated settlers and girls with an …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:31 PM
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I don't think I have to be perfect. As long as she found me a "7/10" or above - from the very beginning -, then the relationship will work long term. If she "didn't find me attractive at first but I 'grew on her over time'", that's a settler and she'd be dumped immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:06 AM
1

Exactly. It's been completely legal in Australia for decades, yet life goes on perfectly normally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:02 AM
1

Status and wealth alone are just "ho bait". Without looks, those things will only "attract" settlers, gold diggers and girls with an agenda. It'll get you laid, but only because they're prostituting themselves for some other benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 12:40 AM
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We're in a transition period right now. The beta-provider role is becoming more and more obsolete as time goes on. There's still gold diggers and settlers out there, but their numbers are falling. In the near future, a man's market value will be pretty much entirely based off his looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 12:34 AM
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For a lot of guys out there, the only women they can get are those willing to settle for them. It's all they know. They've never been in a relationship with someone whose actually into them and never experienced what real attraction even looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 12:24 AM
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All buzzwords, no logic. Total NPC.
/r/MensRights27/01/22 09:06 AM
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I believe things have got significantly worse for girls.....Never have I seen women denigrated and dehumanised to the extent they are now. Gotta love how she blames porn, and also the backlash itself (which is circular reasoning). For the last 40 years, feminist propaganda has trained women to dislike and disrespect men. That shit bounces back. THAT's why there's a backlash in the first place. What did these people expect would happen after 40 years of demonizing us? And it's gonna keep getting …
/r/MensRights25/01/22 05:49 PM
3

Hot guy stares at girl's ass for 15 minutes: "Awww how cute" 5'3 guy with cerebral palsy catches a glance of her ass for 0.0002 seconds: "Male gaze"
/r/MensRights24/01/22 08:31 PM
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Go to Hell, Joyce. The guys who hate women don't hate them because they're different. They hate them because y'all treat ugly/short/poor/disabled guys like absolute shit -- lookist bigotry, gold digging, rudeness, etc. Hate bounces back. I don't personally condone returning hate with hate, but it happens. That's just a fact of life. Hate bounces back, and no amount of shaming, gasligting or "educating" is ever gonna change that. The days of "having a conversation" are over. More and more guys ar…
/r/MensRights24/01/22 08:28 PM
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Yet they deny, deny, deny that today's "feminism" is a hate-based ideology. Give it a few years and they'll start coming out and admitting it in the mainstream media.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 08:09 PM
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you start thinking there is something wrong with you, because its not possible that all girls hate you while being so nice to everybody else So many ugly/short/disabled guys are convinced there's something they're "saying or doing wrong" and spend year after year trying to figure out what it is. It's tragic and sad to witness.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 08:59 AM
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This is why I advise older guys to stay away from the young ones. It ain't genuine.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 01:44 AM
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You're not the only one. I've met a LOT of older guys who've related the same story. So many younger women turn downright nasty to them once they start showing their age. The "beta bucks/beta provider" role is pretty much obsolete, nowadays, so women feel they no longer need to be nice to less-attractive guys. They make their own living, so they see nothing to gain from associating with a guy they don't find good looking. But instead of just ignoring these guys, they feel the need to be rude to …
/r/MensRights24/01/22 01:39 AM
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As a general rule, women are quite rude to guys who don't "look normal" (unless they're wealthy/high-status enough be worth the time it takes to exploit them). I've experienced this same type of treatment my entire life up until I had cosmetic surgery. The way I was treated AFTER those surgeries was my big redpill experience. "Women are less visual than men" is a toxic lie pushed by gold diggers, the "dating advice" industry and others who stand to benefit by keeping unattractive men naive and g…
/r/MensRights23/01/22 09:21 PM
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Don't get married. Even if you find a woman whose legitimately sexually attracted to you and not just prostituting herself for the benefits of marriage, it's still too risky. The State gives wives total control over you and the ability to ruin your life on a whim.
/r/MensRights21/01/22 11:35 PM
1

Absolutely! Be careful out there.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 10:23 PM
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I'm no feminist or anything like that, but in a way, women ARE groomed to have sex with guys they're not sexually attracted to, and that's definitely a big factor behind a lot of women's general resentment towards men. What these women never consider is that MEN have been groomed as well! We've been groomed to be johns, while they've been groomed to be prostitutes. The problem isn't "women" or "men", but all the bullshit both genders have been raised to believe.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 07:03 PM
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Gotta love how they're pushing westerners to be sissyboys while stamping that shit out among themselves.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 02:10 AM
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If polygamy truly takes off, the West is finished. All those leftover males with no hope of starting a family or having a partner will ultimately starve the economy and leave us wide open for a foreign takeover.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 02:03 AM
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The bottom third of guys are already seeing this, and it won't be much longer before average looking guys can't make the cut, either.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 01:55 AM
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That's exactly what's going on. Women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense, and they're basically prostituting themselves for the benefits of commitment after they finally realize they're not pretty enough for anything more than an easy fuck with the guys they're sexually attracted to. THIS is why older women are often so resentful! What bothers me most about all this is the willful and elaborate dishonesty. The guy she settles for really believes she's in love with him. He doesn…
/r/MensRights19/01/22 12:38 AM
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it's just too risky to marry someone who is mostly attracted by your money. I wish more guys understood this :(. It ain't just the divorce courts you have to worry about. When you marry a woman who isn't legitimately physically attracted to you, you're pretty much guaranteed a whole host of additional problems - dead bedrooms, high cheating risk, lack of respect, resentment, excessive demands (she'll expect you to continually "compensate", but it'll never be enough), constant nagging/picking fig…
/r/MensRights18/01/22 06:32 PM
3

Exactly. My first dates are always cheap or free. Weeds out the users splendidly. If she seems hellbent on going to some pricey place, I bail right then and there. Even if by some remote chance her intentions are actually sincere, any girl who measures your dedication/worth to her by how much you're willing to spend is NOT the kind of person you want anything serious with!
/r/MensRights18/01/22 06:12 PM
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females between the ages of 18 to 23 Gen Z. It's no coincidence that pretty much the entire incel community is in that age group. Gen Z's gender relations are downright bad, which doesn't bode well for the future.
/r/MensRights18/01/22 12:20 AM
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Yep. There are women out there who literally, genuinely hate guys they don't find physically attractive, even going as far as making up false accusations to get unattractive coworkers fired. People with average looks have no idea what it's like out there if you're both a guy and ugly or really short. Women can be downright nasty to them, and the world in general is a minefield.
/r/MensRights18/01/22 12:13 AM
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I'm downright shocked how much online dating has changed in just the 7 years since I last used those services. I thought it was bad hearing about regular girls demanding $5 in the first conversation just to talk to them. Now they're matching with guys just for the sole purpose of insulting them?!? If this is what young guys are growing up with, it's no fucking wonder incels are a thing and growing so rapidly.
/r/MensRights17/01/22 11:44 PM
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They don't like being reminded that they married guys they were never actually attracted to. Seeing a woman who genuinely loves her husband triggers them.
/r/MensRights17/01/22 10:38 PM
4

This is actually reality. It's why I always flush the condom down the toilet, no matter who it is. Never dispose of it in a way she can get her hands on it.
/r/MensRights17/01/22 12:04 AM
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I've been looking into the Phillipines myself. You can buy a condo there as a foreigner, the cost of living is low, and there's a lot less SJW shit. As far as the women go, I'm not planning on dating or marrying, but if it happens, then great. I see the writing on the wall, too. The feminists are bad enough, but the race warriors are particularly worrisome. It's gonna get downright dangerous to live here, and being of mixed heritage won't save us.
/r/MensRights12/01/22 07:32 PM
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Exactly. If you can leave the west, do it. Literally anyplace else will better once The Purging starts.
/r/MensRights12/01/22 07:14 PM
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One of the reasons for these errors, the researchers discovered, was that Facebook’s “race-blind” rules of conduct on the platform didn’t distinguish among the targets of hate speech. Yep. That's what they wanna do - distinguish among the targets of hate speech. Hate speech, according to them, is not defined by what is said, but who it targets. They're now telling us outright "yes, we hold double standards".
/r/MensRights12/01/22 07:11 PM
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Oh I believe you. I see my younger cousins, brothers and their friends struggling. Many of them actually showed me their online dating lives and text messages. And all of them are at least average looking kids. They "get girls", but never anyone of quality, and the effort they have to put in for what they get is downright disturbing. As for the ugly and short guys? Unless they got enough wealth/status to "attract" a user or predatory type, those poor kids literally can't find any partner at all!
/r/MensRights11/01/22 07:38 PM
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Truth is, I understand where a lot of y'all are coming from. Young guys aren't just desperate for no valid reason. With older generations, there's been some changes in the dating game, but it's NOTHING like what's going on with Generation Z! It used to be that an average looking 20 year old guy could get an average looking 20 year old girl with reasonable effort. Nowadays, that same kid is "lucky" to get a BELOW-average girl who feels she's settling for him, and only after putting in herculean e…
/r/MensRights11/01/22 09:57 AM
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Because tradcons are being manipulated and played by the gold diggers and other predatory women they tend to "attract".
/r/MensRights11/01/22 08:41 AM
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Self respect. Young boys today will simp over anyone with a vagina and a pulse.
/r/MensRights11/01/22 08:39 AM
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Gotta wonder what happened in her life that made her like this.
/r/MensRights11/01/22 08:37 AM
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Oh boo-hoo, those poor little gold diggers and settlers realizing they can't ply their trade anymore. We've gotten wise to the fact that women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense. We want someone whose actually sexually attracted to us and not just prostituting themselves for the benefits of commitment/marriage. A modest income screens out the settlers.
/r/MensRights10/01/22 06:54 PM
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Slightly off-topic, but hypergamy isn't the same thing as sexual attraction. A short and fat rich guy dating 4 gold diggers is hypergamy, but those 4 gold diggers aren't legitimately attracted to him in a sexual way. In the media and society as a whole, "beta providing" and settling often gets conflated with attraction, which sets naive guys up to get suckered into a bad marriage. A higher income makes you "more attractive", but only in a purely pragmatic sense.
/r/MensRights07/01/22 06:31 PM
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I think we're pretty much on the same page here. Definitely better to be single than in a shitty relationship. Incels have no dating experience and are blinded by extreme desperation. I'm not exaggerating when I say many of them would WILLINGLY enter into a relationship with someone they KNOW is just using them! Try to explain to them why that's a bad idea, and they still don't care. That's a level of desperation so extreme it blows my mind.
/r/MensRights07/01/22 06:17 PM
2

Absolutely. Short/ugly/disabled guys need to distance themselves from hate. Life isn't always fair, and sometimes there isn't anyone to blame for it.
/r/MensRights07/01/22 06:03 PM
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If I had a son, I'd raise him to be blue collar. Fuck college. Learn a trade, and start a business with it. Much less student loan debt, better income, and far less marxist propaganda crammed down his throat. Another important bonus: Once society collapses, a carpenter or a welder will be FAR more valuable than most "college educated" folks.
/r/MensRights07/01/22 05:57 PM
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The dating game is a big contributor. More and more guys are simply giving up and planning to live alone over the long term. When you have no plans (or no hope) of starting and supporting a family, there's no driving need for a high income. Men in general are easily satisfied and don't really care about the "high life".
/r/MensRights07/01/22 05:53 PM
2

Identifying as "incel" is an utterly stupid thing to do in the current environment. Seriously, how socially inept does a guy have to be to even consider it? Short/ugly/disabled guys need to find another word and stay the hell away from the nutjobs. Unfortunately, right now, the only people who take their struggles seriously are the "incels", and that's a huge problem.
/r/MensRights07/01/22 05:43 PM
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There's a reason the media is conflating all the groups together with the terrorists, nutters and chomos. The men's movement threatens the corporate/media/academia matrix. Also, gold diggers and women who settle for a "beta provider" would find it a LOT harder to ply their trade if those men knew the true nature of those women's "attraction" to them.
/r/MensRights07/01/22 05:38 PM
1

Exactly my experience. Best response is just to "turn the other cheek" and not engage them. It serves no greater good to argue with them, as they're too far gone.
/r/MensRights06/01/22 03:49 PM
5

We're being "divide-and-conquer'ed"..... Black vs White. Male vs Female. Straight vs Gay. Religion vs Other Religion, etc.
/r/MensRights05/01/22 03:56 PM
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The way society treats guys who can't find a partner because of their height, looks or physical disability is utterly cruel! I loathe how such guys are automatically lumped in with the nut jobs and assumed to be terrible people. If said guy tries to get advice for his situation, at best he'll get lazy thought-terminating cliches and fake platitudes, or he'll get gaslighted, ridiculed and trolled. And I've seen what short/ugly/disabled guys deal with everyday. People are distant to them, often ru…
/r/MensRights03/01/22 04:31 PM
1

One reason behind this insanity is that they can't admit rape is more about sex and a sociopathic mentality than "power". That's too politically problematic and would ruin the narrative. When a girl being dressed a certain way increases her chances of being raped, that implies sexual desire is a major component. But noooooo, it's "all about power". They have to keep saying that, or the entire feminist narrative would crumble.
/r/MensRights01/01/22 06:32 PM
1

Man, if those dolls ever get super realistic in looks and feel, it'll completely change the dating game. Women would have to clean up their act. That's why I support them, and why we should fight tooth and claw against the inevitable ban on them.
/r/MensRights01/01/22 06:25 PM
1

The current dating game is a big contributor to young men withdrawing. With no expectation of finding a good partner to support a family with, there's no real need for a high income, and no reason to care about society's future. Such men would only need to make up a third of the entire male population to have a serious negative impact on the nation's economy. Think of all the things you buy when you have a child. All those industries would lose revenue. And then there's all the social problems t…
/r/MensRights01/01/22 06:13 PM
3

On top of a relationship being out-of-reach for the bottom 30% of men, those same guys are then shamed, gaslighted and assumed to be terrible people for their difficulties. The majority of people simply don't understand what it's like to live as a guy whose 5'3", or has cerebral palsy, or is just plain butt ugly. They won't even be friends with such people, so they don't see what goes on. I have several friends with these flaws, and I've seen what they have to deal with every single time they le…
/r/MensRights01/01/22 05:53 PM
3

I find it sad how many men think wealth or high status makes ugly guys sexually attractive. That way of thinking will just get you taken advantage of or exploited. She's only "attracted" to him in a pragmatic sense, not sexually, and that WILL cause serious problems eventually - high divorce risk, dead bedrooms, cheating, resentment, excessive demands (he has to continually "compensate" or she'll leave him), lack of respect, etc, etc. Basically, if she doesn't find you hot enough for something c…
/r/MensRights01/01/22 05:26 PM
3

If someone asked me this when we were getting to know each other I would be immediately turned off. Ooooo man, yeah, that'd be a major red flag! If she doesn't already know what you bring to the table, chances are VERY high that her "attraction" to you is entirely transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:35 AM
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Several years ago I was banging this gold digger in her mid 30s who was rinsing some rich simp twice her age. She paid my rent for over a year, bought me a new computer and paid for a car repair.....with HIS money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:21 AM
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A lot of gold diggers hide behind "traditional values" to ply their trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:34 AM
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It all depends on HOW MANY leftover males there are over the next 30 years. If the current trend continues to grow, we're gonna be in serious trouble. Men who've given up on dating tend to have radically different career and spending habits than those who are on the market or in a relationship. Get too many of these guys and it could eventually cripple the economy. And then you have all the social problems, like increasing substance abuse and criminal behavior, growing animosity toward women, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:27 AM
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Yep. It ain't worth it for ugly and short guys. They're better off staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:46 AM
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That you can “compensate” for looks with personality/money/whatever. You can become more desirable from these things, and that can absolutely get you a partner and respect. It can even lead to sex and strong, genuine relationships. It cannot replace the desire brought on by physical attraction. .....which is why most of those relationships ultimately don't survive. If you want to stay out of divorce court or avoid an unhappy marriage, it's brutally important that she be physically attracted to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:24 AM
1

Exactly. If a girl expects you to pay for sex, it's a MAJOR red flag! Most likely she's not actually attracted to you and you'll be expected to continually "compensate" for it over the entire relationship/marriage, then there's so many other relationship problems that WILL eventually pop up when she's just settling for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 12:15 PM
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They think because a guy wants to bang them he must be romantically attracted to them. It's mainly younger women doing this, who still have yet to figure out that her league is the guys who will commit to her, not the ones who will bang her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 11:56 AM
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Exactly. I gotta question how many people here have had long relationships, like 10 years or longer. When you're around a person often enough, for long enough, you don't really see them change. I met my best friend when she was 22. Now she's pushing 40, has gained some weight, and is starting to show some grey hair, but my mind still sees the 22 year old. It's fucking strange, but very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 08:28 AM
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Straight honesty and then blocked. You know right where you stand, right away.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:37 PM
1

198.43 females for every 1 male is the perfect ratio for a stable society :).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:27 PM
1

These are two different groups of guys advocating opposite things, not one group contradicting itself. There's a bit of a schism going on within the manosphere right now - those who are OK with a glorified prostitute settling for them versus those who would rather stay single than sign on for that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:19 PM
2

Once you've experienced love and lust together, one without the other sounds hellish Amen to that! Once you've experienced this, you'll never again trust anything less for something long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:16 PM
1

It doesn't matter which side gets more ROI. The ROI a man gets is still VAST if he can get himself into the 7-10 range!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:02 PM
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doing a shit ton of work for a very mild benefit This is the reality for guys on the bottom third of the looks spectrum that neither the reds or blues want to acknowledge. There really does come a point on that spectrum where the amount of work and ability needed to compensate is beyond what the average man is capable of. And even if he does manage to pull this off, 95% of the women he "attracts" will be those with an agenda, not at all the same love women have for a guy they're physically attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 09:57 PM
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They want that kind of attention from good looking guys but get mad when dressing that way also attracts the same kind of attention from ugly/old/short guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 09:10 PM
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The top 20% of guys in polygamous relationships. Normal guys struggling a lot more than previous generations did. 1/3 of guys unable to find a partner at all despite having very low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 09:12 PM
2

Let's put it this way: Money doesn't have anywhere close to the same "attraction" power it had in previous generations. Women make their own money and no longer have to prostitute themselves to have a decent quality of life. Back in our grandparents' time, just the promise of a middle class life could buy a plain looking guy a wife. Nowadays, that same guy would need a mansion and a 8-figure bank balance to buy the same woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 02:11 AM
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I understand the situation. However, I firmly believe it's better to be single than be in a relationship with someone whose basically settling for you. When a woman is into you, and I mean LEGITIMATELY into you, you won't need to climb a mountain to reach her. Attraction that has to be "earned" isn't really attraction and shouldn't be trusted for anything serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 01:40 AM
3

There's definitely a point on the scale where confidence works against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 10:34 PM
3

Many men will overlook anything if the girl is hot enough. Many women are no different, and they know it (no matter how much they want US to believe otherwise).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 01:34 PM
2

Only unattractive men actually believe that. Women weaponize/commodify sex WITH THEM. The only women they can "attract" are settlers and gold diggers/opportunists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 01:06 PM
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We still haven’t fully felt the impacts of sexual liberation. Only now, 50 years later, are women truly beginning to embrace it. Older generations, despite having this freedom, often still chose to settle for a guy they had no sexual attraction to. Gen Z women ain't having that shit. That's good for them, but if the number of leftover males keeps growing, there will be serious socioeconomic problems ahead for _everybody_. As far as these foreveralones go, it ain't the incel terrorist minority th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 01:03 PM
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Be honest about it and then look like douchebags? Yep. Like I said, you can't be PC with these folks. If they start whining and being difficult, just walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 12:15 PM
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While there are definitely guys like this, it's not the main issue at play. What's actually going on is, those kids suddenly realize that attraction is all about external qualities, not internal ones. Personality only helps you KEEP a relationship, but doesn't help you START one. Boys who've been socially ostracized because of their height/looks/physical disability don't have much social experience, so most of their understanding of relationships comes from movies and TV shows where the geek "wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 11:39 AM
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True love however is extremely rare for anyone, I think many people will never experience it in their life times The expectation of "romance for everyone" wasn't even a thing until around 100 years ago. It sets people up for disappointment, resentment, and being taken advantage of. Unless you're able to trigger attraction from just looks alone, the expectation of romantic love is unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 11:21 AM
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Yup. The idea that self-worth and confidence are entirely internal is really quite damaging to the person in the long run. It simply doesn't work. Guess what DID work? Being TREATED like I was worth something. Experiencing ACTUAL EVIDENCE. Having POSITIVE EXPERIENCES to look back on. To help somebody in this situation, you really can't be PC about it, and THAT's the core problem. People know what's really wrong with you, but they don't wanna say it, and instead feed you bullshit platitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 11:02 AM
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As a guy, no. What "alpha widowed" me was passion and enthusiasm, not looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 12:42 PM
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The odds of winning are insane so why bother? THIS! I lived in their world all the way up until my late 20's, so I understand them very well. I started out the same way as everyone else, going out, trying to meet people, socialize, etc. But after years of this, it became clear I simply wasn't welcomed in certain situations/paces. So I quit. Years later, I fixed my looks and that made all the difference. For the first time in my life, strangers treated me like a person, so I started going out aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 01:51 PM
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Sometimes even they will offer to pay Chad for sex. This literally happened to my buddy. It was so surreal. He had a sugar momma and I got to meet her. She was in her early 40s, but still quite attractive. Secretly, I was a bit jealous. At that time, I couldn't even get a 400-pound gold digger if I won the lotto, and this woman way out of my league was paying my best friend 2 grand a month to fuck her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 11:49 PM
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Amen to that! So much cheaper (and WAY less hassle) to become good looking instead of trying to "attract" someone with wealth, plus you know she actually wants you. And the latter is uber important. I'm VERY uncomfortable with the idea of getting intimate with someone who doesn't truly enjoy the experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 11:35 PM
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From what I've heard, those places have been overrun with girls who expect the daddy part without providing sugar in return. Like a buddy of mine said, "all girls want a sugardaddy....until Daddy wants sugar"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 11:30 PM
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You made some valid points I didn't think about. Yeah, more laws probably isn't the best approach - all the wrong people abuse them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 11:24 PM
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They're equally important and dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 05:10 PM
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Really puts the pressure on ugly men and women, doesn't it? Either perform at the elite level or be content with being trapped in the lower levels. There comes a point where the amount of compensation required is beyond what an average person can do. There really needs to be lookism legislation these days. Hiring a pretty person doesn't necessarily mean better profits for the company. If anything, the Plain Jane is more relatable to the customer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 04:56 PM
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I doubt most HR professionals would choose an unattractive guy with a degree over an attractive guy without a degree My workplace is notorious for this shit. I've seen the hiring process firsthand. I wanted to hire this plain looking fellow who had a masters degree and 22 years experience, but the higher-ups (all female) demanded I instead hire this highschool dropout who just happens to look like a movie star. He's totally incompetent, but they won't let me fire him. This place is utterly surre…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 10:54 AM
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Let's put it this way: I give it 15 years before legalization of polygamous marriage becomes a serious mainstream conversation, and it will be women pushing for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:07 AM
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If he doesn't have other options, he'll gladly settle for that. In fact, a related scenario happens all the time, and guys are even willing to PAY for it. It's called seeing a sex worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 08:53 AM
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Abso-friggin-lutely! Gotta "service" her at times if you wanna keep her. I think most guys know this. They just don't bother with it when they're using someone as a fleshlight. This is a good way to gauge what a guy's intentions with you are. If he's being selfish in the sack, most likely he's not interested in anything serious with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 01:37 PM
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Screen out the settlers! If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, she cannot be trusted for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:15 AM
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They can call it whatever the hell they want. If you feel you're being played or taken advantage of, you have every damn right to remove yourself from the situation. Most of these girls know exactly what they're doing. Never forget that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 09:52 AM
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I still remember it quite vivdly Same here. I remember the first time I ever got a hug from a girl, and that was almost 30 years ago! It was the last day of school before summer vacation. I remember specifically where we were standing, and can still quote her exact words verbatim. The differences in life experience between women and not-hot-not-rich guys (a.k.a. the bottom 80%) are absolutely VAST, completely alien from one another. And don't even get me started on compliments. I was 28 when I h…
/r/MensRights03/10/21 02:20 PM
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We haven't seen the last of this. Just watch what happens over the coming years. Rad-fems will definitely start resorting to violence again once they realize propaganda and shaming tactics no longer work.
/r/MensRights03/10/21 01:15 PM
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Typical feminist activist smoke and mirrors. Claiming to have moral intentions when their actions prove otherwise. Beneath the surface, it's a war against unattractive men, to make them afraid to have anything to do with women. And they won't stop there. They want unattractive men to be unheard, unseen worker drones whose only purpose is to provide tax revenue to feed/clothe/shelter, women, good looking guys, and their children.
/r/MensRights02/10/21 01:45 PM
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If they feel they weren't paid enough for the sexual activity, they'll MeToo ya.
/r/MensRights02/10/21 01:36 PM
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YEEEEOOOUCH! I felt pain just from reading that. Man, that's fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 09:15 PM
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This reminds me of a very disturbing and fucked up thing I learned while serving time on drug charges. There are guys out there deliberately coming to prison to get sex! Here's how that works: Guys who didn't have much luck with either women or men and were too poor to afford prostitutes would go rob a store so they could come to prison and rape the boys. I'll never forget the homeless addict who walked up to a cop and punched him in the face because "I wanted some ass that night", or the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 04:37 PM
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Oooooo man, ain't that the truth. I never knew about this until after I fixed my looks. The shit they do would get a guy sent to prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 03:40 PM
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Don’t settle for someone who’s settling for you - it really is better to be alone than do that. Damn right! Gotta screen out the settlers. If you're only average looking, most of the women you date will be the settling type. If you're ugly, the odds are even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 03:08 PM
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Believe me, they understand it perfectly. They just want YOU to believe they don't. Those settling types are far more "self-aware" than men think. So much stuff men attribute to "women lacking self awareness" is actually carefully calculated deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 02:42 PM
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\^ Listen to this guy, folks. \^ Those girls are gold diggers and settlers. If you go this route, then understand it's not a "love" marriage and it never will be. And plan on moving to HER country permanently. DO NOT bring her to the US!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 02:37 PM
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Most women know. The settler types deliberately pretend they "don't understand". Accusing you of being "insecure" or having "low self esteem" is a gaslighting tactic to keep you from questioning things. Your ex knew exactly what she was doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 02:04 PM
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Gotta wonder how many marriages have been destroyed by shitty "marriage counselors".
/r/MensRights30/09/21 10:46 PM
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Doesn't surprise me at all. That sub is nothing more than a proactive strategy to keep the feminist narrative running.
/r/MensRights29/09/21 09:48 AM
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How long before David Futrelle of "We Hunted the Mammoth" finally gets outed as a pedophile? That guy, you just know something is off.
/r/MensRights29/09/21 09:40 AM
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Gotta love how the femmunists twist things whenever we complain about this double standard: "Oh so you want the 'right' to fuck underage girls" NO, ya fucking nutjob. We want HER punished!
/r/MensRights29/09/21 09:26 AM
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Sadly, there's a chance that today's gender cold war will eventually turn into a hot one. You got these whackjob feminazis on one side, and the incelnazis on the other. As the sexual marketplace becomes more and more competitive over the coming years, the animosity is just gonna keep getting worse, with growing numbers on both extreme ends and growing political clout for both. The coming years are gonna be a real shitshow.
/r/MensRights28/09/21 01:25 PM
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A gold digging/betabuxing crisis. The people having an actual mating crisis will be the men, not women, since women don't find the average man attractive enough to have sex with without the chance for a hefty divorce payout.
/r/MensRights27/09/21 10:47 AM
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Typical scenario is, he's legit attracted to her, but she's just settling for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 10:23 AM
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They only do this if they find you attractive. When I was ugly, none of my female friends did it. When I fixed my looks, all of a sudden those same people were just itching to set me up with someone they knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 10:14 AM
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If she makes ALL her boyfriends wait, it's fine. If she makes some wait and others not, she's a settler. Personally, if she makes me wait, we're done right then and there. Chances are very high she's NOT being entirely truthful about her reasons for waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 12:03 PM
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Gotta screen out the settlers. If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, she absolutely cannot be trusted for something serious! Settling is the main culprit behind so many relationship problems - high divorce risk, dead bedrooms, entitled attitudes, excessive demands, relentless "shit-testing", resentment, etc, etc. Yeah, she might be out of your league. Yeah, she'll fuck you (grudgingly, and only after jumping through enough hoops). But she'll give you years of misery before she…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 11:28 AM
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The average girl doesn't fully understand that she's settling when she does, otherwise she probably wouldn't do it. This is a damn good point. I've often wondered about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:09 AM
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And yet those same people have no problem with being "objectified" when the man is attractive. Today's so-called "feminism" is, at it's fundamental core, a war on ugly/short guys. Beneath the surface, beneath the rhetoric, beneath the gaslighting, their real goal is to push unattractive men to the sidelines of society, reducing them to unseen/unheard drones whose only purpose is to provide the tax revenue that feeds/clothes/shelters women, attractive men, and their children.
/r/MensRights24/09/21 07:18 PM
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Let's put it this way: Over the next 20 years or so, feminists are gonna start pushing for legalized polygamy. And the State will gladly oblige. If you think we have a leftover males/incels/foreveralones problem now, it's gonna get a whole lot worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:22 PM
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Damn right! I want to be genuinely loved, not settled for and sold a fake illusion. If I wanted a prostitute, I'd call an escort service and rent one by the hour, not marry one. If she doesn't find a guy good looking but dates him anyway, that's what she is, a prostitute, not "more mature" or "more noble". A prostitute, and a dishonest one at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:01 PM
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I, too, am fed up with this paranoia. And that's exactly what it is - media/academia-induced paranoia. I'm done "understanding where they're coming from". I've heard it all, read it all, and had it all femsplained to me. And instead of becoming "more understanding" as a result, I've learned to take this stuff less seriously. Feeding into their paranoia is just going to further divide the genders even more. I'm done "having a conversation". That shit's over. If you a paranoid wreck who thinks all…
/r/MensRights24/09/21 01:37 PM
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You're exactly right. Quite a number of guys dropped out of the game VOLUNTARILY because the entire culture has gotten too damn toxic and manipulative. As for the involuntary ones (the foreveralones and incels), "game" doesn't work for guys below a certain physical-attractiveness threshold. Honestly, the only real way out for those bottom 20% is extensive plastic surgery. And I do mean extensive! One procedure isn't gonna turn Poindexter into Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 01:44 PM
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The truth is cold, but we're better off knowing it. Less chance of getting taken advantage of or cleaned out in a divorce. When you know most of your dates' "attraction" to you will be of the settling kind, you'll learn how to screen out the settlers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 01:10 PM
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The "attraction" that rich/high-status ugly guy gets isn't the same as what the good looking guy gets. Yeah, women will date him, but they'll be a lot more pricey and businesslike about it than with a guy they're ACTUALLY attracted to. More ugly/plain guys today are recognizing this and would rather be single than be with someone who only finds them economically "attractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 12:58 PM
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8 from 10 accusations are false. I'm really starting to suspect MOST sex-related accusations are false. There's just too damn many incentives to lie about that shit! I LMAO at the insincere feminist propaganda about "why would a woman lie about rape?" because they know exactly what they're doing. False accusations are a powerful sociopolitical tactic and they want to maintain its effectiveness. If the public was more skeptical of these claims, they wouldn't be able to ruin someone's life so effo…
/r/MensRights22/09/21 10:48 AM
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They're definitely gonna try it. As the number of men left on the rejection scrapheap due to runaway hypergamy continues to grow, they're gonna start dropping out of the dating/mating game and the economy will suffer severely as a result. If the State tries to impose a bachelor tax in a desperate bid to avoid collapse, that just might be the thing that triggers a civil war.
/r/MensRights22/09/21 10:28 AM
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I never said they were. To clarify, someone who's that ugly has to be extremely exceptional in other ways to "compensate" for their looks, otherwise he's done for. The average person, if they were that ugly, would not be able to compensate, as they would need to be a billionaire or a celebrity. Average wealth, ability, social skills, etc, simply won't help someone that ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 06:16 PM
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We're at an interesting point in history. Women make their own money and no longer have to prostitute themselves to survive. And that by itself is a good thing. But we're seeing the emergence of another problem: What to do about the growing legion of leftover males who have no hope of ever being able to meet the looks standards women now have. Even if by some miracle those boys decided to just behave themselves and sit in their basements gently sobbing instead of lashing out, their very existenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:34 PM
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Exactly. There's only so low you can be on the looks scale before the amount of compensation required is beyond what's realistic for the average person to attain.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 12:08 PM
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Being physically unattractive trains you to behave in an introverted manner. You're already on "probation" the minute people see you, so even the most trivial social mistakes are punished harshly. So, you learn to be extremely cautious in social situations. Every little thing has to be on point. Gotta step delicately around every single eggshell. It gets exhausting. It's easier to just keep to yourself even if you WANT to socialize. Loneliness is better than being hated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 11:56 AM
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I'd estimate a 3rd of guys 25 and under have already pretty much given up hopes of finding a lasting relationship. This includes men who can get a date, but figure the game ain't worth it anymore. While the majority of them don't actually label themselves as "incels" or buy into extremist beliefs, the end result will still be pretty much the same for society in the long term - economic hardship. Supporting a family and the hope of attracting a mate are the 2 main driving forces that keep the eco…
/r/MensRights21/09/21 11:36 AM
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I'm a strong supporter. That said, it will NOT solve the growing incel problem among Gen Z males. It's not about sex, but actually being wanted by somebody - anybody. The whole word "incel" is a misnomer. It's not an accurate description of what's really going on. We got kids growing into adulthood nowadays who've never even been "liked" by a girl, never been flirted with, never even been hugged by a girl. Masturbating into some heroin addict's pussy while she stares at the ceiling with a pained…
/r/MensRights21/09/21 08:53 AM
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"This isn't the feminism we wanted". Exact words I remember seeing somewhere. They know full well their brand of "feminism" isn't about equality, no matter how much they want YOU to believe they're "ignorant" of their own hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights21/09/21 08:29 AM
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Today's so-called "feminism" has literally become a caste system in the making. It's why I stopped identifying as "feminist" a long time ago. It's NOT the same thing as believing in equal rights, no matter how much they try to claim such. Their ACTIONS don't match their words!
/r/MensRights21/09/21 08:25 AM
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Any women who seriously believes men have to be "taught" not to commit such a barbaric act as rape has an utterly warped perception of men. HUGE red flag!
/r/MensRights21/09/21 12:54 AM
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Anyone who thinks you have to "teach" men not to do such a barbaric deed HAS A WARPED VIEW OF MEN. Good lord!
/r/MensRights18/09/21 07:22 AM
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Older folks generally don't know much about what's going on with women today. This is a serious issue, here. The dating game is quite different between my generation and older folks. And it's even MORE different between my generation and Gen Z. In my time, a plain looking 20 year old guy could date a plain looking 20 year old woman without too much trouble. Nowadays, that same kid is "lucky" to find a girl twice his weight who feels she's settling for him. Older generations have no concept of wh…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 07:16 AM
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I try to be as conservative as possible with these predictions, but potentially, this problem could even end civilization itself - globally! I mean, you take into account the fact that this isn't just an American thing, and the future looks baaaaaaad :(. The general public does not realize the extreme danger that too many leftover males poses, and it doesn't help that the media either tries to keep this shit under wraps or laughably distorts things to fit a narrative. Right now, it's only 30% of…
/r/MensRights17/09/21 09:57 AM
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The growth of incels is only going to rise dramatically over the years. Oooo man, times are gonna get interesting. Imagine what would happen if even just 30% of the entire male population could no longer even get a date. They'd totally wreck the economy.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 05:41 AM
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We're definitely seeing a lot more women weaponizing these laws. They can ruin your damn life just because they don't like the way you look!! I've seen it happen numerous times. If you're shorter than average or below average looking, you better keep your distance from women at work.
/r/MensRights10/09/21 05:31 PM
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We're gonna see a lot more of this type of stuff over the coming years. A lot of young men these days aren't as naive about female nature as their parents were.
/r/MensRights10/09/21 05:16 PM
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Yep. There's only so low you can be on the scale before the amount of compensation required is beyond the average person's capabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 08:53 AM
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Also, if she can withold it, she's not really attracted to you.
/r/MensRights08/09/21 07:44 AM
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THIS, right here. Men realize what a scam "college" has become. Unless you have very specific career interests that can't be done any other way, getting a univershitty degree is a joke. If I had to do it all over again, I would've learned a damn trade instead.
/r/MensRights08/09/21 07:37 AM
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Yep. Just look at all the houses, boats, cars, designer clothes, jewels, vacation packages and other things men purchased solely because they've been lead to believe displays of wealth/status triggers sexual desire. If those men woke up, they'd spend all that money on plastic surgery and steroids instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 02:07 AM
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serious societal implications People don't yet realize just HOW serious those consequences will be!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 02:01 AM
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SJW brigading this thread: "So you guys just want the "right" to screw little girls." That's how they twist things everytime this double standard is mentioned.
/r/MensRights05/09/21 11:48 PM
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Anyone who thinks that's a contradiction is an idiot not worth the time debating.
/r/MensRights05/09/21 11:39 PM
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Only in Owellthink does the word "FEMinism" mean "equality". The proof is in their actions and NOTHING they say will ever change my mind. EVER!
/r/MensRights05/09/21 11:39 PM
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"REEEE! This isn't the feminism we wanted!"
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:40 PM
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Oooo man....I love how those people completely reinvent the definition of "racism" in order to say that.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:37 PM
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Guy doesn't even have to get hard. She can just grab a cucumber or broken-off broom handle and ram it up his ass. That's rape.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:35 PM
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Too many guys are downright creepers when it comes to sex! If she doesn't wanna fuck, back off and move on. Don't try to pressure her into it. Don't try to "trade favors", either. Just back off and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 01:34 PM
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That saying is a good example of what's called a Thought-Terminating Cliche -- loaded language intended to stop cognitive dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:49 PM
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Oh definitely. There's a reason these mercenary types don't want plain looking guys knowing about this ;).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:26 PM
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If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, she cannot be trusted for something serious. That's how it works in the 21st century.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 11:12 PM
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There's also another problem with the whole wealth/status thing. Without looks to go with it, you'll only "attract" glorified prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 11:05 PM
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The honesty is refreshing. I'll give her that.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 11:00 PM
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"I think AI is great for those of us who are not good enough to date. That way we won't bother women with unwanted attention." This is a very good selling point!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:16 PM
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This, right here. The dating game is very different for them than for people over 30. I've seen what my little brothers, nephews and their friends deal with. It's a whole different ballgame. Back in my day, a plain looking 20 year old kid could date a plain looking 20 year old girl without too much trouble. Nowadays, that same 20 year old "5" guy is "lucky" to get a "3" who acts like she's settling for him. And if you're an ugly kid, it's much worse. It's Generation Z that's behind the whole inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 12:19 PM
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It certainly feels that way sometimes. Not dating a guy because of his looks, I totally understand. But making it your life mission to remove all ugly men from the workforce? Ruining someone's entire career when you know damn well he never showed any indication of interest or ever acted inappropriately, just because you personally don't find him sexually attractive?!? Yeah, that's pretty fucking sociopathic! I fear this is becoming a thing nowadays, and maybe it's time we gender segregated the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 11:53 AM
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Basically, if you wouldn't sleep with him casually, don't have a relationship with him. That shit is a total dealbreaker for a lot of guys. God damn right, brother! If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, she absolutely CANNOT be trusted for anything serious!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 01:08 AM
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Those gaslighting tactics are often intentional and deliberate. Settlers and gold diggers need to keep plain looking guys delusionally "confident" about their real sexual value, otherwise their scams wouldn't work.. This is also why they relentlessly push this "women are less visual than men" BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 01:03 AM
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EXACTLY my experience. The world as a good looking person took a long time to adjust to as it was so utterly alien to anything I'd ever experienced before. It's a completely different set of rules. Literally a completely different set of rules! While my quality of life is infinitely better, I'm absolutely appalled at how plain looking guys have been systematically indoctrinated, gaslighted and manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 12:49 AM
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That PUA stuff doesn't even work for the guys who "need" it the most - the ugly dudes, the short dudes, the disabled guys. In the 15+ years I was in that community, I never saw even one such guy get good results from it. The only guys who got real, legitimate results were physically attractive guys who just needed to come out of their shell and TALK to people.
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:53 AM
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Feminists trying to protect their status quo. While many blackpillers have a lot of wrong ideas, the ones they got right would completely wreck women's AF/BB scam, and that scares the hell out of them. Potential betabuxes would be a lot more careful and skeptical about just any woman's supposed "attraction" to them.
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:36 AM
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At the rate things are going, I give it 20 years before all ugly and short guys are automatically assumed to be potential terrorists. Not officially/legally, but definitely socially or in a de-facto sense.
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:15 AM
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conventionally unattractive without enough money and job status to be able to overcome. This is a big one. Lacks the looks for love and lacks the money/status to "attract" a settler or gold digger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 08:20 PM
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Exactly. And the demand is only going to get higher over the coming years. The economy and culture is gonna be a lot more "incelly/simpish" than before, so might as well make money off it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 07:50 PM
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Trying to "attract" women with wealth, lifestyle or social status. If her "attraction" to me doesn't include an obvious physical component to it, it's not really attraction or romance. If I wanted a prostitute, I'd call an escort service, not enter into a relationship with one. I want love, not a glorified business arrangement masquerading as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 07:40 PM
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For average guys, it depends. For starting a family or getting married, it's mandatory. But it's gonna be a major, major grind and a time sink - too many settlers and other covert prostitutes out there, and you better know how to screen them out. For UGLY guys? HELL NO it ain't worth it! 99.9% of the women you date will be some kind of covert prostitute, either a settler or a gold digger. Doesn't matter how ugly she is herself, her "interest" in you will be the settling kind at best, and she WIL…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:53 PM
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Look at how many friggin' PEDOPHILES managed to find wives and girlfriends. You read about some chomo who got caught, and he has a wife. Yeah, the whole Just World thing is BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:31 PM
1

Literally thinking "ALL" men or women are "like that" will definitely destroy any chances of a stable relationship with someone whose heart is genuine. That said, you can't be naive, either. Enough men and enough women ARE "like that" that you gotta watch out for red flags and screen people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:05 PM
5

I don't cold approach anymore. You never know whose normal and whose a vindictive sociopath who'll ruin your life on some BS accusation. As long as you're good looking and have basic social skills/intuition, OLD is like shooting fish in a barrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 08:01 PM
7

I've seen women at work get a guy relocated just because they didn't like how he looked You're not alone! My job is particularly bad with this. We have a group of 3 or 4 girls who've systematically got all "ugly" guys replaced. Everybody knows about it. ALL the guys in our department have "that" look - athletic, taller than 5'9, flawless faces. It's no secret. Everybody talks about it. Every girl from other departments wants to transfer here. Whenever we get a new guy who doesn't fit The Look, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 04:23 PM
3

Exactly. Screen out the settlers! Average looking guys need to watch out for that shit. Better to be with a "plain Jane" that's actually into you than a "10" whose prostituting herself for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 03:49 PM
5

Short-sightedness. The hypocrites who run this place don't have the foresight to understand how/why FDS threatens their political agenda. Hopefully reddit does NOT muzzle or ban that place, as it'll redpill more men than a million manosphere subs ever could :).
/r/MensRights14/08/21 11:40 AM
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HAHAHA! That sub is a redpill factory, more effective than a million manosphere subs, and not only does reddit keep it up, but the media advertises it. They're doing OUR job for us :). And do they genuinely, seriously not know this??
/r/MensRights11/08/21 06:27 PM
20

LOL! That tactic only works for feminists.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 09:59 PM
1

I created and printed out little flash cards, with either a link to a website, or a "nugget of redpilled wisdom" lol.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 05:58 PM
3

Yeah really. I spent quite a chunk of my life thinking my looks were average and wasted years trying to figure out what I was "doing or saying wrong", when in reality my face was downright hideous, and that was what was holding me back all those years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 05:37 PM
1

Or doing what I call "bathroom recruiting" - anonymously leaving leaflets/tracts in public restrooms. Takes almost no time or effort to do.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 03:32 PM
2

Amen to that! Very refreshing to hear this. I never liked the way all the other manosphere spaces handled the idea of female allies and friends.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 03:29 PM
3

Pretty much my story as well. Had ZERO luck with women despite having very low standards (a lifetime of rejection will do that to you). Then I fixed my looks, and BAM!, it's a completely different world with a completely different set of rules. Personality is tragically overrated. Same with "game"/PUA/TRP tactics....that shit's not even close to being on the same level as having good looks. Not. Even. Close!
/r/MensRights10/08/21 02:50 PM
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Yeah really. There comes a point on the looks spectrum where you have to be EXTREMELY gifted, well beyond the average person's abilities. And even if you DO manage this, you're not really compensating for your appearance, but only "attracting" settlers, opportunists and/or gold diggers. Guys who "compensate" for their looks or height with wealth/status aren't really "triggering sexual attraction" at all, but merely buying the services of a dishonest prostitute masquerading as a girlfriend. Yeah,…
/r/MensRights10/08/21 02:20 PM
5

I'm not surprised at all. Contrary to popular belief, gay men are FAR more forgiving than women when it comes to appearances.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 02:06 PM
6

Several of my friends are quite short, and seeing firsthand the shit they go through in the dating game was a disturbing experience. My heart goes out to you guys. And in a way, I can relate. While I'm of decent height, I was ugly as hell for most of my life, and they don't treat ugly guys much better. They can be downright cruel.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 01:38 PM
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So they can improve. There are guys out there who've gotten literally nothing but rejection their entire lives. They KNOW there's something about them that's a huge dealbreaker, but they DON'T know what that is, and nobody they ask about this ever gives them an honest answer. It's not about the reason 1 individual rejected them. It's about noticing a pattern. When most people find partners, yet he's never even had a date despite 20 years of constant effort, it's pretty obvious something is serio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 11:28 PM
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Now that more unattractive men are wising up to the game, I wonder what's gonna happen when even polite rejections - literally ANYTHING but a "yes" response - aren't safe for women anymore. I give it another 20 years before things literally get this bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 11:10 PM
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Ugly folks aren't just rejected, but also treated poorly. That's the main problem. If they were merely rejected and not also treated badly, they wouldn't be so prone to developing such nasty attitudes. Average looking people aren't aware of all the day-to-day microaggressions, overt hostility, social ostracism and outright bullying ugly men and women experience. Most people don't have any close friends that are truly ugly, much shorter than average or disabled, so they don't see what goes on. Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:06 AM
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There's another solution, at least in the abstract, that doesn't affect women's autonomy: Make the leftover males attractive. For some, simply teaching them basic social skills would go a long way. Others are left out of the game because of their looks, not social skills, and need more extreme measures like extensive plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 05:02 PM
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BINGO! At the end of the day, it's ALL about making money.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 09:19 PM
18

I swear damn near half of women's relationships are like this. They think they're exclusive when he's really just playing her and has been banging another girl the whole time....and SHE thinks they're exclusive, too. I think this trend is definitely a factor in why we have so many single guys but not as many single girls. Those girls' relationships often aren't as exclusive as they think. They're sharing the same guys but don't even know it, meanwhile all these other guys get nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:54 PM
3

If not fattie won't want you either. Fucking hell is that ever the truth! Back when I was ugly, I got rejected so much that I had to keep lowering my standards until it got to the point where I had to get creative -- where to find disabled women, burn victims, people with facial deformities, etc. Normal fat women don't want ugly guys. I had to plumb the extreme depths and develop a very high disgust tolerance just to find a girlfriend!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 01:22 AM
1

Damn right. When I wanted an easy lay, I used to specifically seek out ugly guy/pretty girl couples because those women were so much easier to get into bed than regular single women. The only sex she's been having for a long time is servicing the guy she's gold digging/settling for, and MOST of them won't pass up the chance to get dicked by a much, much better looking guy. So many guys see these couples and get either hopeful or jealous, which is very naive. Sure, rare exceptions happen, but in …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 01:09 AM
2

Exactly. I'm not gonna pay through the nose for the "privilege" of being settled for. If she doesn't find me hot enough for something casual, she can't be trusted for anything serious. Since following that rule, the quality and stability of my relationships absolutely skyrocketed. There's no comparison. When a girl legitimately wants you, it's a whole different world. If you want a serious relationship, look for a FWB or bootycall. She'll turn it into something more serious. They always do. I wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:11 PM
3

Young men these days are desperate. I'm old enough to remember different times. Back in my day, an average looking 20 year old guy could get an average looking girl without too much trouble. These days, that same guy is "lucky" if a BELOW average girl even gives him the time of day. It ain't that bad yet for older generations, but Generation Z....that's the first generation of women to fully embrace hypergamy, and guys are simping because that's the only way for them to get any pussy at all.
/r/MGTOW26/07/21 03:58 PM
1

This is a shining example of why ugly or short guys should just stick to escorts. The only women they can "attract" are prostitutes anyway. At least the escort is more honest and doesn't try to sell him a fake illusion of "love".
/r/MGTOW26/07/21 03:35 PM
1

What are they sacrificing? In many cases, their dignity - dating guys they're NOT sexually attracted to and prostituting themselves for commitment/security.
/r/MGTOW24/07/21 10:25 AM
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I'd love to see the STD rates of good looking guys compared to average looking men. Wouldn't surprise me if their rates are even higher than women's, since these are the guys those STD-infected women are all sharing.
/r/MGTOW16/07/21 09:38 AM
1

I'd like to see this compared with MEN'S rates in the same time period. I bet it's dropped.
/r/MGTOW16/07/21 09:34 AM
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She definitely has A reason, and she knows damn well what it is. She's merely admitting it's not a GOOD reason :).
/r/MGTOW16/07/21 09:32 AM
2

They know we're right, and they're just trying to silence us because they can't win any other way.
/r/MGTOW14/07/21 02:22 AM
1

If the beta male role ("marriage") is going obsolete, that means there's gonna be too many incels for society to handle, and the entire "SHEconomy" will collapse as a result.
/r/MGTOW14/07/21 01:41 AM
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I already have. The fact it worked so well was my big Redpill experience. I no longer trust women in general because of it. While there are indeed respectable, honest and noble women out there, I'd estimate at least half of them are genuinely awful people and they KNOW it. There are things women will only admit to other women and good looking guys. Plain looking guys are intentionally being kept in the dark about what really goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 12:19 AM
3

Amen to that! If you can't get "chad" attraction from any women, you're better off staying single and dropping out of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 04:04 PM
1

Amen to that! If you can't get "chad" attraction from any women, you're better off staying single and dropping out of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 04:03 PM
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Their numbers are definitely growing, which is worrisome. Even just 30% of the male population no longer able to get dates would be enough to devastate the economy and cause very serious social problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 06:20 PM
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Exactly my observations as well. The popular trope has it completely backwards. It's MEN who can fall in love with a plain looking person, and it's WOMEN who need a friggin' model to be sexually turned on, which is why so many of their relationships end up being toxic. They can't get the tall and athletic guys to commit, so they have to settle for guys they DON'T enjoy sex with. The reason women push the popular myth in spite of this? Because they know if plain looking/shorter men knew the truth…
/r/MGTOW08/07/21 12:23 PM
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Of course. More and more men aren't buying into these settling, gold digging women's illusion of "love" for plain looking guys anymore. Women are only sexually attracted to Chad, so if she's dating a plain guy, it's strictly business in her mind. If you're gonna bang a prostitute, book an hour with one, don't marry one.
/r/MGTOW07/07/21 11:50 AM
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Can you just imagine how mentally FUCKED UP future generations will be if this pedo shit gets off the ground?!? I've met raped/molested women, and a lot of them are so severely damaged that they've become extremely toxic.
/r/MGTOW07/07/21 11:37 AM
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Most men don't, personally. But they gotta play the square/punter/john game and show their ability to provide stuff, or prostitutes women won't fuck them.
/r/MGTOW07/07/21 11:29 AM
2

We're past the point where shaming works anymore.
/r/MGTOW04/07/21 12:14 PM
2

Women make their own money and no longer need to marry in order to survive. But there's been a ~50-year cultural delay and we're only now starting to see the full results of this change. Generation Z and late millenials are the first generation to fully embrace the new sexual marketplace - dating guys they're actually attracted to instead of prostituting themselves for security. Unfortunately, this means there's gonna be a LOT of men left out of the game, and they're gonna be a serious problem o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 09:34 AM
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It's pretty sad when guys below a certain height and those on the spectrum aren't even "good enough" to settle for. At least those ugly, fat and dumb guys get to play at the beta level lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 09:02 AM
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Pretty much my feelings as well. I don't have a problem with women having high standards. What I have a problem with is those same women settling and selling the guy a false illusion of "attraction".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 09:53 AM
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Honestly, from what you've described, you're in good standing overall. There are other girls who will be into you. Sounds like your ex was a bit more extreme. As long as your a "6" or above, and willing to date at least a "6", there's some good partners out there. It's the plain looking and shorter guys that are in trouble nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:19 PM
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I know that feeling, man. Truth is, they won't tell you - it would make themselves "look bad". It's really mostly about looks - how tall he is, how sharp/defined his facial features are, is he in good physical shape, does he have a full head of hair, healthy skin and teeth, etc. Those are the guys who are legitimately loved. If you want a woman who will actually respect you and love you, you gotta max out your looks, even if it means saving up for plastic surgery. Times have changed. The old val…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:03 PM
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Most of us have been there. Myself included. We aren't taught to screen out the settlers and have to learn it the hard way. Too many guys assume any date or relationship automatically means "attraction" on her part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:58 PM
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Exactly! Once you give her the nice house and 2 kids she wanted, you find out how "attracted" to you she really was all along!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:54 PM
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- Starfish/unenthusiastic sex. Limited "menu options". - Treats sex like a commodity to be rationed in exchange for things/favors. - Makes you "wait" for sex, but has a history of doing differently with other guys. - Excessive materialistic demands. - Impossible to please - Easily bothered by minor things you say or do. Feeling like you have to walk on eggshells just to avoid being dumped. - Not very physically affectionate. - Prone to drama. - "Shit-tests" too much. - That feeling like you're c…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:28 PM
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There's no reward for following the Life Script anymore. No more carrot on the end of the stick. If you ain't got the looks, the only women you'll "attract" with a good job are jaded settlers or mercenary gold diggers, and those types are nothing but a drain on your life. Plus, good jobs are getting harder and harder to get.
/r/MGTOW21/06/21 10:10 AM
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Desperation. Pure desperation. No attractive man with options would settle for this.
/r/MGTOW21/06/21 09:48 AM
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I officially stopped taking these feminists seriously when they reeeee'ed about 1 out of 4 homeless folks being women. 50 male soldiers get blown to bits in a war, and they'll claim the lone female soldier who survived the blast suffered the most. People like that are so far gone that there is no point in trying to reason with them.
/r/MGTOW21/06/21 09:44 AM
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Absolutely! She found me on Facebook. I accepted her friend request and just assumed that was as far it'd go, but no, she started constantly sending me messages and trying to worm her way back into my life. Eventually she took the hint and backed off. Pretty girl and extremely intelligent, but an absolute sociopath. She almost wrecked my life.
/r/MGTOW21/06/21 09:36 AM
2

Yup. They're only "less visual" in a pragmatic sense, not in the way men want to believe they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 12:47 AM
1

As a general rule? Noooooooo! Women ain't the ones losing hair on their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 12:43 AM
2

I'm a Gen X old fart myself, but am very close to my Gen Z relatives and their friends. I've seen firsthand what they're going through. They've showed me their online conversations, asked me for advice, etc, etc. And I can tell you the dating game HAS indeed gotten worse for guys over the last 20 years. Back in my day, a plain looking 20 year old guy could date a plain looking 20 year old woman without too much trouble. Nowadays, that same kid gotta bust his ass to find a below average girl who …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 01:56 PM
1

It's true, unfortunately. But the good news is you ain't gotta be a "10" to find real attraction. I'd say "6.5" would be the lower limit, and most guys can hit that number by busting ass in the gym and switching to a better diet. Appearance matters for long term, not just short term. Problem is, there's only so much diet and exercise can raise your number. The "2s" and "3s" are better off just dropping out of the game entirely because their only option for relationships are these settlers, or wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 07:03 PM
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Yep. Attachment, not "attraction", the subtle difference too many redpillers overlook.
/r/MGTOW14/06/21 10:10 PM
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Height is a physically attractive feature. Plain and simple. Women naturally have a fetish for it. EDIT: LOL! What kind of idiot would downvote this?
/r/MGTOW13/06/21 03:04 AM
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Desperation and naivety. Covert prostitution is the only "love" they've ever known, because they never had the looks to trigger real attraction. They have nothing else to compare it to.
/r/MGTOW13/06/21 02:59 AM
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What they're not mentioning is the role the "bare branches" play in this - the hundreds of millions of excess males who simply have no chance of getting a woman and starting a family due to the previous generation's one-child policy.
/r/MGTOW13/06/21 02:30 AM
1

Exactly. If you're a plain looking fellow, marriage is a bad, bad idea! Sure, you can still "get a girl", but they'll be settlers and/or gold diggers, and that's nothing but trouble down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 11:11 AM
1

Female psychologists are among the most FUCKED UP people out there. Most of them have a grudge against men. I know of one personally who literally brags about driving male clients to suicide, gives them bad advice on purpose, gaslights them and does anything she can to HARM them under the guise of "healing" them! If you ever feel the need for "therapy", stay the hell away from the female ones!
/r/MGTOW09/06/21 09:43 PM
4

I've seen firsthand what the dating marketplace is like for my Generation Z brothers, cousins and their friends. Things HAVE indeed changed for the worse. Those girls' standards are absolutely over the top. If a Gen Z boy ain't tall and handsome, the only girls who will "date" him will be those who seek to use him, and the fat/ugly girls will have an entitled attitude toward him because they've fucked better looking guys, so he better bust his ass to compensate. It really wasn't this bad when I …
/r/MGTOW06/06/21 03:44 PM
2

Way too many psychopaths out there treating patients and teaching students. It's bloody scary! They really need to screen those people OUT! Just imagine how much less SJW shit there would be if all the Cluster B walking liabilities were screened out and not allowed to hold positions of influence.
/r/MGTOW05/06/21 11:06 PM
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The fact that CHILDREN are getting hit with this shit nowadays is pretty fucking sick! Man, if this shit really becomes a common thing, we're gonna have a LOT of boys growing up hating/distrusting women.
/r/MGTOW05/06/21 10:36 PM
3

Holy shit! That's fucking scary.
/r/MGTOW05/06/21 10:22 PM
3

It's dangerous out there, thanks to all the info out there on the net. One wrong person can literally ruin your life with lies. Pre-internet, the power of such sociopaths was limited. In today's internet age, slander and defamation is a serious problem. Past a certain point, it's no longer a civil issue, but a criminal one. One people start getting PRISON TIME for this crap, maybe they'll think twice.
/r/MGTOW03/06/21 11:01 PM
1

If she wants anything other YOUR DICK, she's hooking. Women make their own money now, they don't need yours.
/r/MGTOW03/06/21 10:51 PM
1

These people make even the most outlandish incel extremists look sane.
/r/MGTOW01/06/21 05:46 PM
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Exactly. If enough plain looking guys only knew what real attraction looked like, it would make a lot of people very, very nervous :). Consider this: How many bigger houses, more expensive cars, designer clothes, jewelry, vacation packages and other pricey items have men purchased primarily because they believe female sexual desire can be "earned", "won over" or outright bought? Also consider the entire "dating advice" industry. Many of those folks would be put out of business. Then you have the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:11 PM
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A lot of what is sold as "game" in the manosphere is really just attempts to negotiate attraction in an underhanded and sneaky manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:00 PM
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a transactional billy beta "stable and mature" family man relationship ....which is basically covert prostitution. And deep down, the girl knows this, which is why she will ultimately resent him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 03:53 PM
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I've literally seen this in action so many times. I used to hang out with a group of PUAs back in the day. We all pretty much used the exact same rehearsed conversations, body language, voice tone and all sorts of other minor details. The only guys who ever got results were the good looking ones. They'd start getting results then slowly left the group and moved on with their lives. The short guys, fat guys, bald guys and ugly guys formed the core of the group, showed up regularly like clockwork …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 03:50 PM
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Most of the good looking prostitutes turn around and give it up for free to hot guys they meet when they're not working. And believe me, the service he gets for free is a whole lot better than what the johns paid 1,000 bucks an hour for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 03:30 PM
5

This article is basically damage control. They know what's happening, but won't DARE admit WHY!
/r/MGTOW27/05/21 09:07 PM
0

Women think they deal with "harassment" now? They ain't seen shit yet. More and more boys are basically growing up as foreveralones/incels due to increasing hypergamy, and they're desperate as hell. Once those leftover males reach 30% of the overall male population, women are in trouble.
/r/MGTOW27/05/21 09:02 PM
1

Pretty blatant. At this point, they're openly admitting what sort of people they are. This isn't "lack of self-awareness". It's pure overconfidence. They think they've "won".
/r/MGTOW27/05/21 08:56 PM
2

My dating life improved ASTRONOMICALLY once I realized how simple it all really was and stopped trying to rationalize uncomfortable truths with overly complicated and convoluted beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 06:17 PM
1

Being paid for sex? Drug addiction. Paying for sex? Not good looking enough to get it for free + he doesn't give a shit that she's not really into him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 06:13 PM
2

I think the instinct is there, but young men are increasingly overriding it and choosing to look out only for themselves. And more propaganda or attempts to "educate" them is only gonna backfire.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:56 PM
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No sex = dumped. And no discussion about it or ultimatums either. She don't wanna fuck anymore? Then we won't. I ain't gonna try to get her to put out, and not gonna try to "fix" the relationship either. Plenty of other willing partners out there. I'm packing my shit and leaving. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 05:38 PM
1

This is a VERY good answer! The only part I can't agree with is the idea that money/status/power alone triggers eros. Settlers, gold diggers and the dating advice industry constantly virtue signal this, and plain looking men desperately want to believe it. I also believed it for most of my life until I fixed my looks and constantly witnessed irrefutable proof to the contrary. Eros is entirely limited to physical attributes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 08:07 PM
4

Yep. It happens. But much more rarely. A guy is better off maxing out his looks than trying to be one of the exceptions to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 05:02 PM
3

Oh they understand perfectly, even if they act otherwise. They don't want plain looking guys to start screening out the settlers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:57 PM
5

Humor increases attraction, and lack of it is a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:37 PM
3

Amen to this. Yes, this experience teaches us things about women that you ain't gonna get when your only experience with them is within a relationship or sexual context.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:32 PM
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Many times while growing up, I've made friends with girls I had absolutely no sexual interest in. Some of them I'm still friends with 20 years later. Never did anything sexual with them or even tried to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:29 PM
2

Anywhere and everywhere. Women approach YOU. I met my last girlfriend at the laundromat. Before her, I dated the cop that pulled me over for a broken taillight. If they really want you enough, they'll FIND a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 02:56 PM
4

Yep. Watch what they do. Watch WHO they date. Ignore the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 05:15 PM
2

lol If you're at the bottom 20% of looks, you better be rich enough to pamper a 300-pound gold digger whose 20 years older than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 01:12 PM
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Most guys average or below in the looks department haven't. Women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense, and it's VERY common for them to date guys they know they won't enjoy sex with. And learning game doesn't actually trigger attraction for those guys. The results plain looking guys get from using those tactics in their relationships is a settler keeping her disrespect in check, not attraction being created. Manipulating a woman into BEHAVING as if she's attracted to you is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 08:29 PM
4

Ugly guys using status to "attract" women is no different than trying to "attract" them with money. The woman's "interest" in him is still fundamentally transactional. She's not physically/sexually attracted to him. She knows she's prostituting herself, no matter how much she tries to convince herself and everyone else she actually wants his dick. Relationships with transactional intentions on her part almost always end up becoming toxic and unstable. In the long run, you're far better off with …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 06:51 PM
5

Talking about sex in commercial terms is a major red flag. If she's merely prostituting herself to you, she isn't someone you want to commit to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 06:43 PM
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If she only ever sees sex with you as "doing you a favor" or rendering a service, she settled for you and was never legitimately attracted to you in the first place. She's prostituting herself (and will eventually resent you for this). Once you've dated women who are genuinely physically attracted to you, you learn very quickly that women are every bit as sexual as us.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 06:39 PM
4

Damn right. The number of males left out of the dating game is increasing rapidly. It's about to get a whole lot worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 05:07 PM
5

Pretty much the same story here. When I was ugly, I had way more alone time. I played a lot of videogames and whacked off to porn. Didn't really have much else to do. My attempts to socialize or find a girlfriend was only ever met with rejection and ostracism. Later on, I had a shitload of plastic surgery and became attractive. Now my efforts to meet people actually produce results. I only very rarely play videogames these days, and haven't seen a porno in years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 04:54 PM
1

The number of Leftover Males is indeed growing, and a surprising portion of them are guys dropping out of the dating game voluntarily (a.k.a. "going their own way"). These leftovers would only need to be about 30% of the overall male population to cause severe economic and social problems for the rest of us. IMHO, this is where we're headed. If we don't do something about the situation, we're all in serious trouble. We better start looking for a civilized solution that both A) actually works, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 04:27 PM
5

Oh yeah, settlers will definitely drag you down, and it doesn't even take long before it starts. Right from the very beginning of the relationship, a settler will harbor a certain amount of underlying resentment, because no matter how much she tries to convince herself and everyone else that her attraction to "Mr Blah" is legitimate, she knows deep down that she's prostituting herself. This underlying resentment grows over time, becoming more and more overt. I believe this to be the core reason …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:31 PM
4

This settling shit is pretty much THE main reason behind so many common relationship problems - cheating, sexless marriages, resentment, excessive demands (he has to continually "compensate" for his looks), relentless "shit testing", nagging, picking fights, high divorce risk, and the list goes on. If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, she can't be trusted for anything serious!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 12:28 PM
3

Many guys would rather have sex with a lukewarm hardbody than a lustful fat woman. For a ONS or bootycall, maybe. But for a relationship, absolutely not. Lukewarm "attraction" on the girl's part will cause all kinds of problems down the line - resentment, cheating, excessive materialistic demands (he has to continually "compensate" for his looks), relentless "shit testing", constant nagging, high divorce risk.....nah, I'd much rather prostitute myself to an ugly girl than deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 08:36 PM
8

Better to be with a "6" who's actually into you than a "10" who's trying to convince herself you "grew on her".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 08:28 PM
15

> When a woman wants you sexually, she's much nicer to you overall. ^^ THIS, right here! ^^ I've had the same experiences as you. There really is NO COMPARISON to being with someone who is legitimately, genuinely into you. It goes way beyond the sex stuff. Her whole demeanor, her whole attitude, everything about the relationship is of a far higher quality - and STABILITY - than a settler could ever compete with. When I was in the process of fixing my looks and started dating about halfway throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 08:13 PM
2

I have far more respect for an honest prostitute than a leech/user.
/r/MGTOW17/05/21 06:06 PM
4

And of course they'll blame men......without mentioning that it's only the top 20% of men responsible for spreading 80% of the STDs lol.
/r/MGTOW17/05/21 06:04 PM
4

Yep. Gotta distance yourself from "progressives" because if you even so much as breathe in a way somebody doesn't like, they'll turn on you.
/r/MGTOW17/05/21 05:57 PM
3

I can tell you were a lot of women's shitty attitudes toward their boyfriends comes from. Most of them has fucked a Chad at least once. But Chad won't commit, so if she wants commitment, she has to prostitute herself for it (a.k.a fuck someone in her own league that she was never really attracted to in the first place). She knows she's prostituting herself in exchange for that commitment, hence the underlying resentment.
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 09:50 PM
8

I can definitely believe it. The way the marriage laws are set up nowadays, the wife literally rules over you.
/r/MGTOW16/05/21 09:31 PM
1

Aldabruzzo, let me let you in on a little secret: These women KNOW you are right. But they feel threatened when this topic comes up. If all men started screening out the covert prostitutes, it would become a LOT harder for these people to dupe a plain looking guy into marrying them. They KNOW they're not sexually attracted to the guy, and they KNOW they are prostituting themselves. They know EXACTLY what they're doing!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 03:04 PM
2

Yep. Being asked to pay through the nose for what some better looking guy got for free? No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 02:35 PM
1

"Plain Janes" do it, too. Only difference is sugar babies are upfront/overt about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 06:24 PM
2

Nothing wrong with expecting that a guy can pay his bills. What men are becoming increasingly aware of is the covet prostitution going on with so many relationships and marriages, where the woman is NOT physically attracted to the guy but only pretends to be. That lack of physical attraction on her part almost always leads to a toxic relationship - cheating, sexless marriages, resentment, high divorce risk, excessive demands, relentless/constant "shit testing" and picking fights, etc, etc, etc..…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 03:00 PM
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I cringe when people think prostitution will "fix" those guys' situation. It isn't about sex. It's about being WANTED sexually and romantically. Masturbating into some heroin addict's pussy while she lays there motionless with a dead look in her eyes....that ain't gonna "fix" jack shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 03:44 AM
1

Adding insult to injury, these same whores give up the goods for FREE to guys they're actually attracted to.
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 07:57 AM
1

Chad would've known something wasn't right LONG before any of this happened. Most guys have dated and gotten married, but never experienced what raw sexual attraction really looks like. Pragmatic "attraction" is all they know, and that's why they're so easily swindled into the betabux role.
/r/MGTOW09/05/21 05:38 PM
1

This ain't got jack shit to do with "equality" and the feminists pushing this fucking KNOW it. This is purely psychological warfare.
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 12:48 AM
7

For the feminists' puppet masters, yes that's true. I'm talking about the women themselves, though.
/r/MGTOW02/05/21 01:33 PM
5

Yep. If you ain't got the looks to attract women or the status/wealth to "attract" users/settlers, game won't help you. And if your ugly but rich/high-status, all game will do for you is help you keep a settler/gold digger's attitude in check.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 12:25 PM
21

What's the feminist endgame? Pushing all unattractive men to the sidelines of society, to be unseen/unheard worker drones slaving away backstage and behind the scenes to prop up the lives of women, Chads and their kids. The end goal of modern "feminism" is a sort of lookist cleansing - they want their everyday lives sanitized of ugly/short men's existence.
/r/MGTOW02/05/21 10:29 AM
1

Because out of all the manosphere factions, MGTOW is the one that can actually force real change in society and bring an end to female privilege.
/r/MGTOW02/05/21 10:19 AM
6

MOST women are not "like that".....when they're with a guy they're actually attracted to. If you gotta constantly "game" her throughout the relationship just to get her to treat you like a damn human being, she's really not that into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 08:38 PM
3

Mistaking economic and pragmatic "attraction" for real/sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 08:29 PM
9

Amen to that. Looks, I can understand. Money/status? LMAO! If I wanted a prostitute, I'd go and book an hour with an honest one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 09:05 PM
9

I'm in that exact situation right now and am perfectly OK with it. Nothing "shallow" about it at all. I can totally understand and respect the women who refuse to have sex with men they're not physically attracted to. What I cannot get on board with are those who basically prostitute themselves for a marriage license and claim it's the "mature" thing to do. The tradcons and incels out there who want a woman to "give ugly guys a chance" don't have a clue what misery awaits them if she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 08:56 PM
1

Religious reasons -- having a very strong conviction that it's the only "allowed" way to get his sexual needs met.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 08:50 PM
3

Ohhhh man, we better hope not. If even 30% of the male population became leftovers/rejects, the social and economic ripple effects would be devastating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 10:08 AM
3

Exactly. Modern "feminism" is really just lookist cleansing. They want ugly/short men driven to the sidelines of society, to be invisible worker drones working behind the scenes to support the lives of women and Chads, and not expect anything in return. Women want to sanitize their everyday lives of ugly/short men's existence. If they ever get what they wish for, it won't last long. If they think the "bottom 80%" is gonna slave away for them without any positive incentive or reward, they're drea…
/r/AntiFeminists27/04/21 02:32 AM
3

My response? Start choosing men based on personality instead of looks/money. Stop thinking with your clitoris. Just because he's good looking doesn't mean he's a good person. Get to know what kind of person a guy is before you fuck him.
/r/AntiFeminists27/04/21 02:23 AM
1

Many people on the left would say there's nothing wrong with that. It isn't about logic with the grievance crowd. It's all about getting more handouts and special privileges. Bitch loud enough, get enough people on board, and cha-ching!
/r/AntiFeminists27/04/21 02:19 AM
3

Textbook gaslighting tactics. Believe me, they know damn well they're being ageist and lookist bigots.
/r/AntiFeminists27/04/21 02:15 AM
1

Fuck that bullshit! Those thundercunts are as sexist as friggin' incels and they fucking KNOW IT!
/r/AntiFeminists27/04/21 02:14 AM
2

The ever-growing mass of leftover males is definitely gonna be a problem, no doubt about it. Letting the 80% get in on the sex game gave them an incentive to care about society's future instead of actively working to destroy it.
/r/MGTOW25/04/21 08:03 PM
10

Gender Violence: Anything that makes a woman experience negative emotions.
/r/MGTOW25/04/21 07:55 PM
4

I found MGTOW via the same situation back in 2003 or so, and looking back, I'm definitely MUCH better off for it. At the time, I was a total "kissless, handholdless virgin". Met my first-ever girlfriend a few years after that. If not for MGTOW's wisdom, I would've married her, got cuckholded, then stuck with alimony and having to pay child support for a kid that wasn't even mine. And she was an absolute basket case....drama, drama, drama, never got along with anybody, even her own family. In sho…
/r/MGTOW25/04/21 07:53 PM
1

So, dating up is "being groomed" now? LMAO! Oh man....think of all the ways we could exploit this ;).
/r/MGTOW24/04/21 01:56 AM
9

"Domestic prostitution". Oh man, I'm gonna borrow that. Such a perfect description for beta-provider relationships.
/r/MGTOW23/04/21 03:12 AM
2

Looks beautiful :).
/r/MGTOW18/04/21 10:27 PM
1

Nah, they BECOME housewives. Oldest scam in the book...fiance claims she wants to continue her career during the marriage, they get married, then she doesn't wanna work anymore, and the husband can't do a damn thing about it.
/r/MGTOW17/04/21 08:02 PM
1

Habitual lack of affection/sex from either partner is a glaring red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 05:12 AM
5

The media is really pushing female narcissism. This is exactly how narcissists handle her situation.
/r/MGTOW14/04/21 03:02 PM
0

Society really needs to stop measuring a man's worth by his sexual behavior (or lack of it). It's causing too many problems - for BOTH sides of the gender divide.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 08:08 PM
3

The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I don't buy into either extreme. Are women capable of genuine friendships? Yes, absolutely. And so are many guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 08:02 PM
2

Good looks + fucking alone isn't even a relationship. That's a bootycall. Settling means dating someone your not attracted to at all, not someone who isn't perfect. There's a difference between expecting a guy to be invested in a relationship, and acting like an entitled leech. The former is normal and OK, the latter I have zero tolerance for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 09:25 PM
2

women are also fed a line of bullshit about the nature of men. OMG, YES! This is a big issue that's never discussed. I've seen a lot of the dating advice that's marketed to women and it's every bit as out-of-touch as PUA stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 08:36 PM
1

Damn right. If SHE's not investing in YOU, she's not worth YOUR investment :).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 08:24 PM
1

People who act like women are the source of all evil are morons, but so are people who downplay how miserable it is to be forever alone. Oh my god, the DOWNPLAYING....yes, that's a big problem! I was in the same situation for many, many years. Couldn't get a date to save my life despite herculean efforts and very low standards. Completely destroyed me. I've escaped from that life a long time ago but still have a LOT of scars from that experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 08:21 PM
1

In order to "cultivate", there has to be a "seed". The guy has to be at least "6" to her, then he has something to cultivate and grow. A "3" cannot do the same. Most men don't meet the minimum threshold for cultivation/seduction, mainly because they don't put enough effort into their appearance. You can call my approach "lazy and apathetic" all you like, but it works. The quality of my relationships became astronomically better since becoming selective in this area. Gone are all the problems and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 08:16 PM
5

Women find most guys ugly but many will date them anyway....then, those relationships go sour in the long run. She eventually resents him because she settled, and he eventually resents her once he realizes she was only ever "attracted" to him in a pragmatic sense. Add to that the amount of compensation required from the guy to override his looks, the 'superior' attitude she has lurking underneath, the cheating, dead bedrooms, constant "shit testing", volatility, etc. That's what a "less visual" …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 04:56 PM
4

Men aren't resentful because they feel like they can never be players, they're resentful because of how much work it takes to just be AVERAGE at getting women. THIS, right here! Times have changed. I remember what the dating game was like just 15 years ago. It used to be that a man with average looks and an average income could date average looking women without too much difficulty. Nowadays, you're lucky to get a date with a below-average looking women who doesn't come with an entitled attitude…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 03:56 PM
3

THIS, right here. There are limits to what "game", diet and exercise can do. You're not gonna turn a "2" into a "7" without extensive surgery, and most "2's" can't afford it. Below a certain point on the spectrum, your options are literally 1. Be a betabux for some settler or gold digger 2. Be alone. Or, 3. A shitload of surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 06:41 PM
1

You make me wait, I'm not gonna demand sex. I just dump you and move on, because I'm not interested in being settled for. Too many women date and marry men they're NOT sexually attracted to, which means "making you wait" is a HUGE red flag! Settling in the looks department causes all kinds of problems down the line - high divorce risk, demanding/high-maintenance attitude (he's expected to "compensate", but it's never enough), resentment, cheating, etc, etc. Better to avoid all that mess and scre…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 05:59 PM
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It's absolutely disgusting. I really think this is gonna become commonplace over the next 10 years or so, and it'll be interesting to see what happens as a result. It's becoming increasingly apparent that Millenial and Gen Z women don't just want ugly/short/old guys to leave them alone, but want their day-to-day lives completely sanitized of these guys' existence. It's as if they want those guys to be backstage and out of sight, invisible drones with no sexual value, whose only purpose in life i…
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 07:38 PM
56

Where I work, the women have gotten guys fired simply because they didn't like their physical appearance. And everybody around here knows about it. If we get a new guy whose on the ugly side, one of the guys will take him aside and warn him to quit before he gets hit with a bullshit "sexual harassment" complaint. Out of all the guys who've worked in our department for longer than 3 months, they are ALL taller than 5'9 and better looking than average. Every single guy who doesn't fit that descrip…
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 04:23 PM
6

No standards for the good looking guys, just the plain looking ones. Chad gets the pussy without much investment. YOU gotta pay through the nose, and it won't even be as good as what Chad got. She'll "consent", but it won't be enthusiastic, and her "menu" will be more limited. Doesn't sound fair, does it?
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 04:05 PM
3

Men and women share a common enemy. Women are being manipulated and played by the same corporate/political elites who are pushing US to be simps and johns.
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 04:03 PM
2

With REAL attraction, it's the WOMAN that puts in the work, not the man! Just watch Chad. He doesn't have to do shit. He's good looking. If she expects investment up front, she's sacrificing on your looks, and that's not attraction. That's prostitution. And it's unfair prostitution, because that same girl who expects YOU to "invest" out the ass for starfish, rapey sex MONTHS later, well, she turns around and ENTHUSIASTICALLY fucks a taller, better looking guy for free within hours. These hypocri…
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 09:09 PM
10

Pretty obvious this guy has never experienced what "Chad" attraction from a woman is like. Experience THAT a few times, and you won't tolerate such parasitic behavior! The fact that 99% of simps are fat, ugly, short or much older than the girl, is NOT a coincidence. The only "attraction" from women they've ever known is pragmatic/transactional intentions masquerading as such.
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 07:29 AM
3

Modern marriage is just a one-sided insurance policy for the wife. Where's MY insurance if things fall apart??!
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 07:17 AM
6

This is why I will fight like a caged animal for more realistic sex dolls to hit the market. Forget about all the AI and robotics crap. Just make a damn lifeless doll that truly looks, feels and smells realistic, then watch the sexual marketplace get a well-deserved "Great Reset" as over 50 million guys mysteriously become more distant and less tolerant of bullshit. Again, forget about the AI and robotics. The first guy to just get the damn BODIES right will become extremely wealthy!
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 06:24 PM
1

Gotta screen out the gold diggers who are just out to use you, and the settlers who are "sacrificing on your looks": Be "cheap" and say upfront you're "not looking for commitment".
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 04:14 PM
8

I friggin' LOVE that sub haha. Hope reddit never bans or silences them. They are doing more for MGTOW than we could ever do ourselves.
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 04:09 PM
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And that number is REALLY gonna shoot up as Generation Z comes of age. The media will blame men, as usual. But the real reason will be that women have priced themselves out of the marriage market for average looking guys with average incomes. If you don't have the looks to trigger genuine desire, you'll have to be literally wealthy to "compensate" for it. And if they think 50 million leftover males will just passively "accept their place" as invisible worker drones who have no sexual value, whos…
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 03:59 PM
3

It's the ever-present threat of divorce-raping, backed up by the State, that gives them this power.
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 03:54 PM
1

Good luck keeping any clients with that mentality. LMAO! She won't have any regulars, and that's where the money's at. If prostitution gets legalized....ooooooh man, they're really in trouble because there will be public review boards, and a quick google search will tell you not to see her.
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 03:48 PM
14

Yeah, I don't like the hookers option, either. They resent their "clients", you're funding the drug trade, plus you could get robbed, extorted or worse. Hopefully sex dolls eventually get realistic enough to put them out of business.
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 03:45 PM
1

Women are only "less visual than men" the same way a prostitute is - pragmatic and transactional. Only difference is, the prostitute isn't trying to sell you a fake illusion of love.
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 12:40 AM
8

I've been preaching a similar message for years on the incel spaces - "It's better to stay single/celibate than get swindled into a loveless relationship with a parasitic prostitute who only settled for you in the first place." A surprising number of guys are no longer naive enough to fall for the Settler's Scam. Others....are still idiots. I can't believe how many guys would GLADLY get with a woman WHO THEY KNOW DAMN WELL IS JUST USING THEM, just to "have a girlfriend"! Most bluepilled cucks ar…
/r/MGTOW03/04/21 02:55 PM
4

society is about to create men who will hate women. With increasing hypergamy, that's pretty much a certainty. Just look at the way women treat guys they don't wanna fuck. Instead of just ignoring those guys, they go out of their way to actively insult them, discriminate against them at work, and seek to sanitize society of their very existence. It's not enough that such guys simply leave them alone. Treat 30-40% of the male populace like this, and there's gonna be problems.
/r/MGTOW02/04/21 05:10 PM
28

Guys like this get cheated on and walked all over. Or eventually outed as sexual predators.
/r/MGTOW02/04/21 04:32 PM
6

He's next in the hate cue. It's only a matter of time.
/r/MGTOW02/04/21 04:27 PM
1

Holy SHIT!! Now I've seen everything. The West is done for.
/r/MGTOW01/04/21 09:30 AM
1

Ooooo man, once this book gets translated into English, there's gonna be a lot of interesting discussions around the net.
/r/MGTOW29/03/21 07:02 PM
3

Today's propaganda would've given Goebbels a screaming orgasm. Next time the gas chambers and guillotines roll out, they won't even need to extend much effort in rounding people up. All the white "liberals" will be so severely indoctrinated that they'll march to their deaths voluntarily.
/r/MGTOW29/03/21 06:19 PM
2

As a general rule, opposite-sex friendships tend to be risky. But exceptions happen, and it CAN be done. The key is firm boundaries and mutual understanding/respect on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 12:37 PM
3

I've experienced both sides multiple times - high chemistry vs being "given a chance", and there's absolutely no comparison when it comes to the quality, stability and long term health of the relationship. The lesson learned is if she isn't immediately into you, she can't be trusted for anything serious. This puts guys who don't have the looks to trigger that kind of attraction in a tough spot, though. The only kind of relationships these guys can get are the settling kind, and there's gonna be …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 09:45 AM
2

There's absolutely no comparison. Literal night and day. I was ugly as hell and couldn't get a date to save my life. I was able to make friends with women, but never anything beyond that. Then I inherited a good sum of money and got a shitload of plastic surgery + orthodontic surgery. Best investments I ever made!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 08:06 PM
2

Yep. If you're 5'1 with a face not even a mother could love, confidence is downright creepy. Below a certain threshold on the looks scale, you're actually better off being meek and humble.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 07:46 PM
1

Only if they can afford it. Yeah really. $300 an hour isn't cheap. The ugly guy working at a gas station trying to support himself can't afford that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 07:26 PM
2

This isn't an attempt to make "different" men or nerds or Aspies play by "normie" rules. This is intended to keep them from playing at all. This is intended to force these men out of society. You're not the only one whose noticed this. Instead of telling unattractive men to hit the gym, get plastic surgery, etc, they are deliberately trying to sanitize the dating market of those guys' existence, which is only going to cause even more problems in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/21 07:19 PM
1

Imagine a future superintelligent AI with SJW programming, and what unintended consequences could arise from all the logical contradictions/fallacies in its code.
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 01:58 PM
34

Saying she wasn't attracted to me at first, but I grew on her because of my personality. I wouldn't be able to trust her for a long term commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:28 AM
4

AMEN to that! That's not genuine attraction at all. It's settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:23 AM
2

Fuck that. If a girl makes you "wait", she's settling for you. Dishonest prostitution trying to masquerade as "attraction".
/r/MGTOW15/03/21 11:36 AM
6

This is damage control. They don't want people acknowledging the REAL reason: Women have priced themselves out of the average man's reach. I remember what it was like 20 years ago: An average looking guy could at least date fat girls without paying for it. Can't do that anymore.
/r/MGTOW15/03/21 11:31 AM
1

> you're going to have to become the guy she bangs in 3 dates or less to have a good relationship with her. Yeah. You don't have to actually fuck her within 3 dates, but there HAS to be strong evidence of desire on her part, otherwise she can't be trusted for anything serious. You don't wanna be the guy she settled for, or there WILL be serious problems down the line! I'm so glad to see guys becoming more conscious of the distinction between pragmatic, fundamentally transactional "interest", ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 08:23 AM
1

I'd say maybe a 1. I don't give a shit about that stuff. It's not supposed to be a contest or competition. When I'm in a good relationship with someone whose actually into me, there's no desire to compare her to anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:59 AM
1

What helped me is having close, positive, NON-SEXUAL friendships with people of the opposite sex. I wasn't interested in them "that way", nor were they interested in me "that way", and we got to know each other purely as human beings without ulterior motives on either side. That experience has been an absolutely critical failsafe/firewall against becoming too toxic with the blackpill stuff. Kinda hard to hate women in general when you can name several you'd lay down your life for. Having close f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:39 AM
2

Ooooh man.... I fucked some real horrors back in the day!
/r/MGTOW14/03/21 05:09 PM
1

Yeah really. Hope sex dolls eventually become realistic enough. Better that than give these psychotic whores one red cent.
/r/MGTOW13/03/21 12:48 AM
1

you will know right away if you are seen as Chad. Damn right. If you're expected to pay, her "interest" ain't legit.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 07:04 PM
12

If she doesn't think you're her Ferrari, she ain't worth it.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 06:41 PM
2

If we reach the Tech Singularity, we're doomed. Any powerful AI the corporate elites create is gonna be a neurotic SJW, and the logical contradictions in its code will have unforseen consequences.
/r/MGTOW10/03/21 06:31 PM
8

Women screech about the whole NiceGuy(TM) thing, but won't own up to how the "women aren't visual like men" myth causes it.
/r/MGTOW08/03/21 02:25 AM
2

Oh but of course she'll say that. They're her source of income.
/r/MGTOW06/03/21 07:18 AM
3

They want a world where all unattractive men are hidden away, slaving behind the scenes to keep The System afloat. Their collective behavior over the last 20 years has already proven this. Beneath the surface, this is what they're trying to do. Just look at how they've abused sexual harrasment policies. They've turned what was designed to protect them from predators, into a way to eliminate all unattractive men from the workforce. I've actually seen women at work plot to get guys fired just beca…
/r/MGTOW27/02/21 05:31 AM
1

How do you know you're being settled for? If the sex always has conditions/strings attached, and she's not really into it. Plus she expects way too much investment or has high materialistic demands (her way of "compensating" for your looks).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 12:15 AM
3

Absolutely not!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 09:59 PM
1

Of course I would! Nothing wrong with that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 06:58 AM
3

Fat girl settles for guy she was never actually attracted to. Loses weight. Fucks guy she IS attracted to. Divorces husband to be with him.
/r/MGTOW21/02/21 04:27 PM
8

women are even less able to understand it than 5 years ago. Most folks understand it perfectly well, but want us to believe otherwise. It's called damage control. Deep down, they know they're settling. The fact that men are starting to see through the facade makes a lot of people nervous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 04:53 PM
1

Very true. I can remember in the late 90s, my friends and I ragging on this guy we knew because he read the personal ads. Now there's no stigma anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 07:21 PM
1

Women marrying men they're NOT sexually attracted to and using them for security. That's what's behind most common marriage problems - cheating, lack of affection, lack of sex, resentment, high materialistic demands (he has to continually "compensate), high divorce rates, etc, etc.
/r/MGTOW17/02/21 03:37 PM
1

Acknowledging....the bitter reality that most men born below a certain threshold experience rather than ignoring it and shaming men who experience it THIS is what showing sympathy looks like! Nobody with a rational mind actually believes "showing sympathy" means fucking or dating an ugly/short/disabled guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 06:02 PM
2

That's how they talk to guys they're just "giving a chance" or might be willing to settle for. If she think's you're hot, she'll talk your ears off.
/r/MGTOW14/02/21 09:31 PM
10

I, too, believe men are becoming more conscious of this. If she only finds you "attractive" in a practical or economic sense, there's gonna be problems down the line, and she's not a good fit for anything serious. Dating a man you're not physically attracted to and selling him a fake illusion of love in order to swindle him into a parasitic marriage is NOT a sign of virtue or maturity. It's straight up fraud!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/21 11:06 AM
3

MGTOW is a huge threat to the same corporate and political interests who encourage toxic femininity - the same folks who control the media and cultural narratives.
/r/MGTOW09/02/21 03:47 PM
2

BWAAAAAAhahahah! Damn, this is good......
/r/MGTOW09/02/21 03:39 PM
1

So yea i guess i'd take the harassement and being liked. So would I. After I fixed my looks, I've had a gun pulled on me by a gay guy who didn't take rejection well, had to fight another one twice my size trying to "take dat booty", and then there's the crazy girls. I'd rather be murdered/violated then EVER go back to the way life was like when I was ugly! The problems and risks attractive people deal with, I'm gladly content to face, even if it ultimately costs my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 10:42 PM
4

Can you provide a link/source? That would be really helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 10:34 PM
1

It depends. Being a virgin at 35 and unable to find any relationship at all despite desperately wanting one....is often even worse, psychologically, than a toxic relationship. But for people with normal dating lives/experiences, yes, being alone is by far better than a shitty relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 10:14 PM
6

at least the illusion of options. THIS, right here. Online dating has given women false illusions of their true market value, and they end up getting used and hurt as a result. The only people who actually have it easy on online dating and swipe apps are the young girls under 25 and the guys who are either hot enough to attract them or rich enough to afford them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 04:46 AM
1

That's what most marriages are. Unless she married Chad.
/r/MGTOW02/02/21 06:10 PM
1

"That's not supposed to be your response" Woah! She obviously thinks she's waaaaay out of his league.
/r/MGTOW02/02/21 06:05 PM
8

They'd rather do that than "settle" with someone anywhere resembling their market value. Yep. Generation X and older settled, which made it possible for an average man to play in the sexual marketplace. With the younger generations, we're seeing a rapidly climbing number of men who no longer get to play. And eventually, that shit is gonna backfire on society - HARD! When half the male population no longer has any children to support, or any incentive to support society, collapse is inevitable.
/r/MGTOW02/02/21 06:00 PM
1

The possibility of being held responsible for a child that isn't yours is FUCKING SCARY! I had a similar situation with an ex. Ran for the hills and ghosted her immediately. Multiple times over the years, she's tried to worm her way back into my life.
/r/MGTOW02/02/21 05:43 PM
2

Damn....even lesbians are getting betabuxed now.
/r/MGTOW30/01/21 02:05 PM
3

"Femons"..... LMAO! Now that's a new one. Out of all the different manosphere words for women, I actually like that one. Very accurate descriptor for the gold diggers, false accusers, manhaters, etc.
/r/MGTOW30/01/21 01:59 PM
2

Hmmm....the "M" looks like a stripper in knee-high boots spreading her legs. The "V" part of the "M" looks like a bare cunt.....a very, very cavernous bare cunt.
/r/MGTOW30/01/21 01:30 PM
9

Wow.....One more reason to stay away from soyboys.
/r/MGTOW30/01/21 01:20 PM
1

Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 09:24 PM
5

People in Soviet Russia never trusted the media and always knew they were full of shit. People in America actually believe the propaganda. Pretty scary.
/r/MGTOW28/01/21 06:43 AM
3

First, that women are far more looks focused than character focused when looking for a man. Second, how absolutely transactional relationships are to women. I live by the saying "If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, then you don't want anything serious with her". That made a HUGE difference in the quality and stability of my relationships. The less you appeal to her in the looks department, the more transactional the relationship will be....much more demanding, far more likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 12:49 PM
1

Not so much as a shift, but a revealing of what was already there under the surface, that I wasn't previously aware of. Turns out I agree with radical feminists in certain key areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 12:21 PM
1

Yeah really. Imagine being an average looking guy, only being able to get commitment/relationships with average looking women, but being able to get casual sex with really hot women - very easily. To not cheat, you'd need either a LOT of willpower, very intense feelings toward your girlfriend, or VERY strong internal convictions against cheating. Even an ugly girl who doesn't cheat....she's a keeper! Any guy who gets with her had better appreciate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 11:50 AM
1

You're right. I don't buy into that bullshit either. If all men were handsome, every guy would at least have a chance. It would work. And it's the only truly effective solution that won't infringe on women's sexual autonomy. All the other "solutions" mentioned basically amount to forcing women to "lower their standards", which isn't love. It's just business, and she'll resent you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 10:32 PM
4

Women are being played and manipulated by the same corporate common enemies who are manipulating men.
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 11:16 AM
15

Yep. If you're ugly, "confidence" will only get you in legal trouble. Gotta keep your nose to the pavement and only speak when spoken to.
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 10:53 AM
7

Well, words are considered "violence" now.
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 11:15 AM
2

What a sick, twisted way of thinking. No conscience whatsoever.
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 11:13 AM
2

Something NEEDS to be done about Big Tech!
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 11:02 AM
6

Women make their own money, so they don't need a betabux to survive. They can hold out for Chad/Tyrone instead. And if Chad/Tyrone won't commit? Ah well, at least they get to fuck him regularly.
/r/MGTOW18/01/21 05:05 PM
2

they don't meet the criteria to give a good first impression. They never have the chance to prove if they are good or not. THIS, right here. Once I fixed my physical appearance, all of a sudden finding a girlfriend went from climbing an impossible mountain and an extremely painful experience, to practically shooting fish in a barrel. The set of qualities needed to KEEP a relationship are not the same as what you need to START a relationship, and a lot of guys aren't aware of this. Want to keep a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 04:48 PM
1

Back in the day? ALL of it. But eventually I found something that actually worked (and thank goodness for that!). Nowadays, any self-improvement is motivated entirely by things like career advancement, improving my skills at certain hobbies/interests, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 04:26 PM
1

And if men had the same standards as women, our species would've gone extinct long ago.
/r/MGTOW17/01/21 06:22 PM
2

This ridiculous notion that women are "sexually" attracted to money/status is why so many guys get taken advantage of. Plain looking and ugly men want to believe this shit, and gold diggers exploit it to their own advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 07:42 AM
6

That guy's a real piece of work. Totally disrespected his dad.
/r/MGTOW17/01/21 03:20 AM
14

Yep. Once she has the bigger house and the 2 kids she wanted, you find out how "attracted" to you she REALLY was all along.
/r/MGTOW16/01/21 01:23 PM
6

Why do you think marriage spread like wildfire back when it was first invented? All the tribes that didn't adopt a fair and balanced sexual marketplace couldn't survive. They end up slaughtered or dominated by the other tribes who DID.
/r/MGTOW16/01/21 01:16 PM
13

Women were socially conditioned to "keep little secrets" so that Beta Bux Brad felt he was the prize, when in fact he was the CONSOLATION prize. Yep. If too many men knew the truth, it would become vastly harder to find a man willing to accept such a shit offer. If she doesn't find you hot enough for something casual, she can't be trusted for something serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 07:13 PM
12

I think this is a huge factor in so many unhappy and unstable relationships/marriages. A lot of women are conditioned to be distant from their own sexuality, and men aren't really taught how to differentiate between someone whose sexually attracted to him versus someone who's basically settling for him. A man can buy companionship and even sex, but he cannot buy desire. And without desire on her side, there's gonna be misery ahead for both partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 06:52 PM
7

If I wanted a prostitute, I'd call an escort service.
/r/MGTOW10/01/21 03:38 AM
9

show how handsome I am to LITERALLY NOT GET TREATED LIKE SHIT. This hits so close to home. When I was ugly, they treated me like complete and utter garbage.
/r/MGTOW08/01/21 10:31 PM
1

Yet "Chad" and "Tyrone" can be unemployed and even cheat on her repeatedly.
/r/MGTOW07/01/21 10:49 AM
2

Without a fair and balanced sexual marketplace, we'll be back to living in grass huts within 3 or 4 generations. Literally. All the technology, comfort and safety will be gone.
/r/MGTOW07/01/21 10:36 AM
2

"B-b-b-but ugly guys get girls all the time, so that's bullshit blah blah blah..." Of course they do, but the girls they get aren't sexually attracted to them....which is why they cheat, act entitled/demanding, disrespect him, ration the sex, etc, etc, then ultimately divorce his naive ass.
/r/MGTOW07/01/21 10:31 AM
3

This attitude isn't helping their future granddaughters.
/r/MGTOW05/01/21 11:51 PM
2

I can confirm. The most "blackpilled" guys I ever met were tall, good looking dudes who got more ass than a toilet seat. Hot guys often have average looking close friends, and believe me, they notice the differences. Some of them become secretly resentful as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 07:58 PM
2

They prey on men who think desire can be negotiated. That's their entire modus operandi.
/r/MGTOW05/01/21 07:19 PM
4

The sad reality is, transactional and duty-based "attraction" is all most average/plain guys know. They've dated and been married multiple times, but never dated a girl who had REAL attraction to them. They really don't know the difference. When I fixed my looks, I discovered a whole different side of women, dating and relationships that was systematically hidden from me. Lacking this experience is what makes so many guys so vulnerable to someone whose basically settling for them.
/r/MGTOW05/01/21 07:14 PM
4

Isn't it funny how these fat positivists all want a tall, FIT guy? If fat is so damn sexy, why aren't they lusting after fat guys?
/r/MGTOW05/01/21 07:01 PM
2

I second this as well. We need to be fighting SIMPS, not feminists. Attack the simps and the entire house of cards falls down.
/r/MGTOW05/01/21 06:56 PM
16

Count me in, too. Even though I ain't about fuckdolls personally, I will fight tooth and nail against the inevitable attempt to ban them. Women claim they're afraid of these things because "consent" and "raaaaaype", but they know damn well they ain't being truthful. The very men these things are marketed for, guys with limited options, are the same men they depend on for betabux marriages, free drinks, free favors, etc, etc. They know exactly what they stand to lose, and they also know that bein…
/r/MGTOW05/01/21 01:01 PM
36

The sad reality is, there comes a point on the attraction scale where the amount of compensation required is beyond the means of the average person. If becoming a millionaire was attainable for the average person, everyone would be doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:59 PM
7

I can confirm. I've banged quite a few large women, and yes, you really NEED those extra inches on your dick. If you're only average size, you're very limited in what you can do.
/r/MGTOW04/01/21 04:25 PM
1

She knows EXACTLY what she's doing here. This behavior is rooted in arrogance and sociopathy, not "lack of self-awareness".
/r/MGTOW04/01/21 04:20 PM
1

You just KNOW Big Pharma will support this crap.
/r/MGTOW04/01/21 04:15 PM
1

Yep. Once she has the house and 2 kids she wanted, the sex stops and you find out how "attracted" to you she REALLY was all along.
/r/MGTOW04/01/21 04:04 PM
1

Those are typically guys who've never experienced genuine sexual interest from a woman. The only "interest" they've ever known is the aloof, high-maintenance, demanding and extremely fickle/fragile "interest" of someone whose settling for them.
/r/MGTOW03/01/21 10:44 PM
3

Glad to see more and more men knowing the difference between sexual attraction and prostitution. Be "poor" and "not interested in commitment". Weeds out the whores.
/r/MGTOW03/01/21 10:24 PM
1

Man I sure hope not! That would be the most fucked up irony. Many of the radical incel groups want "state-issued girlfriends" and we're all rightfully disgusted about that. But yet if women start pushing for forced marriages, somehow that's OK?!
/r/MGTOW03/01/21 04:44 AM
12

Mark my words, the time will come when avoiding women at work is "sexual harassment" and legally punishable. It'll be a catch-22 situation - either you risk getting metoo'ed, or get slapped with an avoidance "harrassment" lawsuit.
/r/MGTOW02/01/21 02:21 PM
3

Once Average Joe's can't even betabux anymore, things are gonna get interesting. The most crucial pillar of civilization itself is a fair and balanced sexual marketplace. Without some form of "sexual equal-opportunity", (either returning to strict monogamy, legalized and subsidized prostitution, subsidized android companions, or subsidized male plastic surgery), technological civilization, along with all the comforts and safety that comes with it, are simply not sustainable. I give it 3 generati…
/r/MGTOW31/12/20 12:06 PM
2

We're most likely gonna see a LOT more "apologies" like this as more and more men walk away.
/r/MGTOW28/12/20 09:42 PM
14

Exactly. That same girl who expects a list of demands from a plain looking guy will turn around and fuck a good looking guy for free or very little effort. If she's not giving you "Chad interest", she's not worth your time.
/r/MGTOW28/12/20 09:31 PM
3

Wow. Textbook definition of "entitled", right there.
/r/MGTOW25/12/20 11:28 PM
8

It's time for a "divorce". Split the country and let the right/left go our separate ways. At this point, our differences are irreconcilable.
/r/MGTOW24/12/20 10:37 AM
6

The same woman who gold digs or acts pricey with one guy will be a "cheap slut" for another. Glad more guys are waking up to this.
/r/MGTOW23/12/20 01:47 PM
2

I'm definitely with you 100% about NOT saying certain buzzwords. Never advertise "MGTOW". Gotta work around the NPC conditioning. FDS? Dude! That's genius! "Want to understand women? Check out F__D__S___ on reddit".
/r/MGTOW22/12/20 05:45 PM
5

Interesting how the majority of people who regret their transition are FTMs, not MTFs. Makes sense. They finally realize how rough the man's world actually is.
/r/MGTOW22/12/20 05:37 PM
1

This is called Denial. It helps her cope. She can't face the fact that she's simply not as pretty as she used to be. Youth is more sexually attractive and deep down she knows it. She knows damn well she'd rather fuck a 30 year old guy than a 60 year old.
/r/MGTOW22/12/20 05:33 PM
5

I'm with you 100% on this. Already got a plan :). I think the best idea is just to write a short redpill and not reference MGTOW. Something like "Marriage is a scam. Don't do it.", or "She'll gold dig you, then be a cheap slut for somebody else." Never advertise MGTOW (because media brainwashing). Just advertise the ideas.
/r/MGTOW22/12/20 05:27 PM
1

Thanks for this. There are times when I look back and think "what if", but really, I made the right decision in avoiding marriage. It's become nothing more than a scam designed to give settlers and gold diggers an unfair advantage. Even if a girl IS truly attracted to you and not just prostituting herself for commitment/security, you better hope you never piss her off for ANY reason!
/r/MGTOW22/12/20 05:11 PM
34

This is damage control in action. She knows damn well she's talking bullshit and is just hoping the simps are naive enough to fall for it.
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 08:32 PM
3

She's screening for a beta slave. If he's good looking enough and she wants to fuck, she won't think twice about shelling out a hundred bucks just to spend one hour at his dumpy studio apartment. I've seen this shit happen so many times. The biggest gold diggers suddenly turn pretty damn "cheap" for the right guy.
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 08:28 PM
4

The same woman will be a gold digger for one guy and a cheap "slut" for another. While she demands money from Plain Looking Paul, she'll turn around and pay $100 in cab fares to spend one hour in Chad Thundercock's dumpy studio apartment.
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 08:13 PM
8

Oh they're definitely aware. Believe me, they know damn well what they're doing. This behavior doesn't come from lacking self-awareness, but total arrogance. They assume WE can't see their hypocrisy.
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 01:07 AM
7

Many women would rather have a "high value male" who beats them than someone in their own league who treats them right. The manosphere thinks it's because "women prefer jerks", but the truth is even more sinister: They're willing to TOLERATE that abuse just to be with a guy whose looks/status is high enough.
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 12:58 AM
16

I can cook well, clean and manage my own finances. Male friends meet all my social needs. The only thing left is the need for touch and sex.
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 12:51 AM
1

A fat woman who thinks she's "beautiful" is someone who still hasn't figured out she's been fuckzoned.
/r/MGTOW18/12/20 07:21 AM
28

And THIS is just what a good looking guy goes through. For the average and below guys, it's pretty much hopeless.....can barely even get a match/response, and those rare women who DO match/respond are pretty much guaranteed to be settlers or gold diggers, so their bad behavior is even worse. That guy getting 500 matches....that's quite an "accomplishment"!
/r/MGTOW18/12/20 07:09 AM
24

- He gets himself friendzoned That literally just mean girls aren't physically attracted to him but like his personality Bingo! "Getting friendzoned" is a damaging myth that leads to more pain in the long run than just facing reality. I spent 20 years fruitlessly trying to figure out what I was "saying" or "doing" wrong. Turns out I was trying to fix the wrong thing the whole time. Fixing my LOOKS took care of the problem, practically overnight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 09:07 AM
5

I've done it plenty back in the day. Stopped doing it after a while, though. You bang 'em just the right way and they catch feelings, then people get hurt. Not good. If nobody's available, it's better to just jack off and be done with it. There's a reason guys with sociopathic traits get laid more, and it's not what a lot of people think. They simply don't care if the girl might catch feelings. I "missed" so many "opportunities" just from trying to avoid hurting anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 10:08 AM
7

Actually the real reason is much simpler: They're after men who are out of their league. You gotta be pretty enough, young enough or thin enough for his commitment, otherwise you just get fuckzoned and treated like you don't matter.
/r/MGTOW13/12/20 12:40 PM
2

Society is falling apart, and any children born within the last 10 years have a dark future to look forward to.
/r/MGTOW13/12/20 12:37 PM
1

Legally, such behavior DOES count as "domestic violence". The reasoning goes that it's "physical intimidation".
/r/MGTOW13/12/20 12:33 PM
2

Half of all marriages last 8 years or less. Of those who stay together, half of them are unhappy and regret marrying their spouse. No sense investing all that time, effort and money on finding a wife when there's only a 25% chance you won't get screwed over.
/r/MGTOW13/12/20 12:26 PM
6

They're not even hiding the hypocrisy anymore. It's brazen and out in the open now. The manosphere thinks it's because "women lack self awareness", but in reality, this behavior is rooted in sheer arrogance, overconfident in the belief that they have men completely gaslighted beyond any hope of awakening. I think it's very important that men recognize this. These activists know exactly what they're doing. They're perfectly self-aware. Behaving otherwise is a manipulation tactic.
/r/MGTOW13/12/20 12:15 PM
14

This is gaslighting in action, folks.
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 02:25 AM
5

Online dating ain't worth the trouble if you ain't got the looks or wealth. And the standards for both get higher every year. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out over the next 20 years.
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 07:33 AM
2

This didn't just happen she had been planning for a long time. And the plan is to take advantage of you THIS! By the time she asks for divorce, she's already 5 steps ahead of you. Better hurry!
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 04:26 PM
2

The social justice system is just like the justice system - motivated by revenge over alleged wrongs instead of positive change.
/r/MGTOW08/12/20 04:19 PM
2

I fucking LOVE memes like this. Best way to deal with sjws is to catch them in a logical catch-22. No matter what option the sjw chooses, it leads to a forbidden thought.
/r/MGTOW06/12/20 11:19 PM
3

Amen to that! I was an ugly bastard before and didn't know anything different. When I fixed my looks, going from about a "2" to around a "7" or "8", _e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g_ changed. It was fucking crazy. I expected my dating life to improve, and it did, way more than I thought it would. What I WASN'T prepared for was everything else that improved. Suddenly I was getting promotions at work, preferred scheduling, MUCH better customer service everywhere I shopped (even by guys), free drinks/food in r…
/r/MGTOW06/12/20 01:48 AM
9

I've seen this happen, too. It's not enough just that SHE doesn't want a certain guy, but actually wants him to remain single for life. That attitude borders on sadistic! Ever notice how when you're "friendzoned", they never try to set you up with anyone else? In my experience, the only girls who tried to play matchmaker were ones who were clearly interested themselves, but were already dating a friend of mine, or already married.
/r/MGTOW06/12/20 12:07 AM
1

It's not a question of what's superior to the other. For most of the guys these things will be marketed to, it's a question of having anything at all.
/r/MGTOW05/12/20 01:48 AM
4

So much settling/gold digging behavior is being passed off as "maturity". And guys actually believe this BS.
/r/MGTOW05/12/20 01:30 AM
1

The sex stops once she got the number of kids she wanted. Typical behavior when she settles for a guy she was never truly sexually attracted to. Women are only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic and mercenary way. Once she realizes Chad won't commit, she will prostitute herself to Poindexter and pretend she's "in love" with him. Once she's accumulated the marriage license, the bigger house and the 2 kids, you'll find out how "sexually attracted" to you she REALLY was all along!
/r/MGTOW03/12/20 06:03 PM
5

"....They act like the (woman) has no responsibility in what (she) decides to do. It's not like (she) decided to (walk down that dark ally in a skimpy dress) and (take the risk) (herself)...." How well would THAT go over? lol
/r/MGTOW03/12/20 05:52 PM
3

The girl in a skimpy outfit handing around the street corner is more honest about her intentions and offers a much better price. The "civilian" girl, on the other hand, tries to sell empty implied promises at wildly inflated prices.
/r/MGTOW03/12/20 05:47 PM
18

I don't think they behave this way because they lack self-awareness. This behavior comes from sheer arrogance, and a firm belief that they already won the game. They know full well how desperate men in general are, and any john/punter who refuses to play by those rules can easily be replaced by someone who will. They KNOW they have the upper hand. They KNOW the system is rigged in their favor, no matter how much they try to gaslight us into thinking they believe otherwise.
/r/MGTOW03/12/20 05:36 PM
3

Women often settle for a guy they're not really attracted to, once they finally realize Chad won't commit (to THEM). Then stuff like this happens. Once she has the ring, the house and the 2 kids she wanted, he finds out how "sexually attracted" to him she REALLY was all along!
/r/MGTOW02/12/20 05:11 PM
1

Gotta love the gaslighting that happens when women are confronted about this double standard. Here's a dirty little secret all men should know: They KNOW DAMN WELL what they're doing, no matter how much they try to deny it or blame the ugly guy's "actions".
/r/MGTOW01/12/20 09:06 PM
3

Stories like yours are what converted me to MGTOW all the way back in 2003, and why I never married. It's absolutely disgusting that shit like this is even legal! For whatever it's worth, I would try to find a way to start an online business in a way that doesn't identify you, then figure out a plan to get the hell out of this country and set things up so that bitch ex-wife can't fuck with you even if she knows where you're at.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:50 PM
1

That's EXACTLY the male version, to a "t".
/r/MGTOW18/07/20 12:10 AM
2

And honestly, I respect those girls a lot more than the alpha widows that DO settle and fool the poor guy into thinking she's actually into him.
/r/MGTOW18/07/20 12:08 AM
1

So many guys will literally fuck anyone with a pulse if the opportunity presents itself. If she's down to fuck and that's all he wants, the fact that the rhino sitting across from him isn't the girl in the photos won't stop him.
/r/MGTOW17/07/20 11:59 PM
1

He should've did what a lot of women do....get a background check on her.
/r/MGTOW16/07/20 03:28 PM
14

She was family, so I can understand that. But taking a bullet for a stranger? Oh HELL no!
/r/MGTOW16/07/20 03:26 PM
45

Women develop sexual attraction with you either instantly or not really ever. THIS, RIGHT HERE is the most important lesson young guys need to learn! The idea that women "develop attraction over time" is a bullshit myth pushed by gold/status diggers, wall-hitters desperate for marriage, and the entire "dating advice" industry. Guys who fall for it are setting themselves up to get taken advantage of.
/r/MGTOW14/07/20 05:14 PM
2

Because they know exactly what they're doing. Gotta keep him isolated so she can gaslight him more effectively.
/r/MGTOW13/07/20 12:37 PM
6

The worst prostitutes are the "civilians". At least with an escort, it's honest and a lot less expensive.
/r/MGTOW13/07/20 12:14 PM
43

My mom once told me "you need a wife!". I said "yeah....like a fish needs a bicycle". Got a good chuckle out of that from my sister's boyfriend who was in the car with us :).
/r/MGTOW13/07/20 12:06 PM
6

Psychology is an SJW/feminist lion's den. I'd pick any of the trades over that, just for the fact that your career would be much safer over the long term.
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 11:30 PM
1

Guys try to avoid paying the hookers for their sexual services, while the hookers try take the money without rendering service. Oldest game in human history.
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 04:19 PM
1

It's implicit that all open "marriages" are to be one-sided and in her favor.
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 04:16 PM
1

Tell them oxygen is sexist and breathing is an act of submission to the Patriarchy.
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 04:09 PM
1

Wanna know a dirty secret? This is happening because WOMEN are starting to openly discuss some of the SAME truths WE'VE been discussing for years. The big corporations who control all our media want to keep men and women in a whore/john relationship, plus it's in gold diggers and settlers' best interests to keep both sides quiet. They DON'T want men and women to finally have an honest conversation! That would mean loss of profits for the corporations, and loss of beta bucks/special favors for th…
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 03:51 PM
4

Just because a woman fucks a guy does NOT mean she's sexually into him. Yeah, it's fucked up, but it's in men's best interests to be aware of this and avoid those situations.
/r/MGTOW09/07/20 09:18 AM
45

Funny. My life gained purpose, meaning and plenty more creative energy after I STOPPED trying to "earn" women's attention.
/r/MGTOW08/07/20 11:45 AM
1

If this is real, the guy is completely demoralized. He's fully accepted his "place".
/r/MGTOW08/07/20 11:37 AM
1

Amen, brother. Defund the vaganda. Ugly guys everywhere need to realize the "attraction" they're paying for isn't even real. It's a scam. A girl whose legit sexually attracted to you won't even care that you're living in a van. They're perfectly willing to pay for Chad's time, buy HIM gifts and shit. Oh sure, there's girls who want to start a family, and for that, I understand the importance of having a decent income, but oh well, so what. If she doesn't want you when you're poor, there isn't en…
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 08:47 PM
4

Agree. I've been in a few AF/BB relationships before I improved my looks, and they were absolutely hellish. If you ain't got the looks to satisfy her in the bedroom, she will demand the world to make up for it, and she'll always have an air of superiority with you. When I became good looking, the relationships were completely different. I was the master, and SHE was the servant. And those girls were much happier than the AF/BB whores who settled for me.
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 08:42 PM
2

VERY TRUE!!
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 08:35 PM
1

FaceAndLMS. He's hilarious. And there's a lot of underlying truth in those vids as well. As far as any actual advice to apply in my own life, I no longer need any. My own life is great and I have no complaints. My primary concern and reason for continued involvement in the manosphere is the welfare of Gen Z males, as well as the future of society itself as a whole. Sex is the fundamental market that dictates all other markets, and society hasn't yet realized the economic danger that too many lef…
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 08:28 PM
3

It's a question of what's the lesser of two evils. Loneliness fucking SUCKS, but it's better than being trapped in a bad marriage or relationship.
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 08:08 PM
4

Oh man, how right you are! When a woman settles for a guy she's not sexually attracted to, a hooker is exactly what she is. And settlers should be treated accordingly. She wants the kitchen remodeled? Then she has to EARN it, one hour at a time. She wants that boat cruise? That'll cost her 15 fucks.
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 07:59 PM
3

YES!! It will give the girls protection, AND it'll improve the "industry". You'll be able to legally persecute the ho who takes your money and runs out the door. Girls who provide bad service will have to either improve or get out of that line of "work".
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 07:58 PM
2

Get to know any woman well enough, closely enough, and if they know you won't judge them, they're a walking blackpill. I have several very close female friends, many of them former booty calls, and our conversations are far more honest than any beta male's marriage or relationship could ever hope to be! Say what you will about the incels, but there's one thing they're absolutely right about, and that's the looks thing. Most longterm relationshits DO involve women settling for a man they have lit…
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 07:51 PM
2

She can EARN it, one hour at a time. IF she offers bareback greek. I can respect an honest hooker. Parasites, on the other hand, get no respect at all.
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 07:08 PM
2

Simping is an early-stage symptom of male desperation and out-of-control hypergamy. Next comes the withdrawal stage, where men say "enough with this shit" and stop playing the game, then society truly begins to die. Technological civilization is only possible when hypergamy is limited and every man gets a mate, otherwise there's no real incentive to contribute to society and we slowly regress back to the stone age. And that's a society women do NOT want to live in once the dangers and insecurity…
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 07:00 PM
1

When The Powers That Be start going after feminist subs of all places, you know things are getting bad. And it's not just about the dispute between women and trans folks. There's another, more sinister reason. Women are finally starting to admit the truth about looks and the true depravity behind the AF/BB scam, and the status quo wants to keep them quiet. Mark my words, FDS is next. I called it. FDS is next.
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 12:18 PM
3

In other words, normalize rejection and involuntary celibacy. And therein lies the core of the problem.
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 11:57 AM
3

So, ugly and short men can play this game, too? Can we train women to find bald men, beer bellies and wrinkles sexy? LMAO!
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 09:28 AM
3

"I feel like this is OUR money because I been with him for 8 years" YIKES!! And she wants to take him to court because of this??
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 09:13 AM
2

The end goal of 4th-wave "feminism" is the elimination of unattractive men from their day-to-day lives and regulating them to workhorses living in the background, unseen and unheard. The ever-widening definition of "sexual misconduct" is intended to scare unattractive men into going their own way. They know exactly what they're doing. Only problem is, they lack the foresight to see how this plan will backfire.
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 06:51 AM
1

They're definitely behaving far more openly. It's gonna get worse, too. Think women are "shallow" right now? Just wait a few more years. A lot of men are gonna see what women REALLY think about ugly/short/disabled guys, and they won't even deny it anymore.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 03:37 PM
1

How many cars, boats, fancy houses, vacation packages, designer clothes and other items have naive men purchased because of their bluepilled beliefs on attraction?
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 09:17 AM
3

It's VERY telling how they're now even banning feminist subs! This isn't the only one that got banned. Mark my words, they're gonna go after FDS next.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 09:11 AM
4

This rising censorship should be a lesson in self reliance to all coders seeking to develop a new free speech platform. NEVER be beholden to corporate money, advertising, etc! You accept their money, you become their bitch, and free speech dies.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:21 PM
1

Of course women will make excuses, but at face value, the OP has a point. I've seen this stuff happen IRL. Sociopaths out there will mentally corner a girl into a trap and don't give a shit if she actually wants him or not. For some guys, this is their "game". There are even PUA "gurus" TEACHING this crap and telling naive guys it's "triggering attraction".
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 02:13 PM
1

THOSE kind of stories, right there, are what fully convinced me not to marry. The only men who can survive the divorce courts with minimal rectal bleeding are the filthy rich.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:54 PM
1

From what I been reading, not having sex on the wedding night may NOT be grounds for an annulment and you actually have to file for divorce. Scary!
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:34 PM
2

Yep. Prostituting themselves for commitment is common behavior. Women often date/fuck/marry men they know damn well they're not sexually attracted to, and now men are starting to realize this.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:29 PM
10

all the non-communist just give the country up and leave and start their own society/country somewhere else. The communist gave some time to think, but then in the end she said NO HOLY SHIT!! Yes, that is VERY telling!
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:05 PM
3

Lotta people who came here from communist countries are horrified at what the US has become and plan on leaving.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:03 PM
13

Once sexbots look/feel realistic enough, a LOT of men will "mysteriously" disappear from the dating game, becoming closeted doll-owners. It won't take women long to figure out what caused the sudden disappearance of so many plain looking/short guys from the SMP, and they WILL fight to get them banned, along with a new law mandating all existing owners to have their dolls/bots disposed of or face prison time. Not only will sexbots threaten women's "romance" scams, but they'll threaten the profits…
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 01:12 PM
3

their entire af/bb strategy would quickly fall apart THIS, right here, is the biggest reason for the visceral reactions. Plain looking guys would stop trying to "earn" companionship and start screening out the settlers. Also, it would be a lot harder for certain types to rely on their "erotic capital" to get ahead in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 04:00 AM
5

Google "reckless eyeballing". Black men got lynched back in the day just for looking at a white woman the wrong way. History is about to repeat itself.
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 12:06 PM
2

Major kudos to his mother. Damn....
/r/MGTOW22/06/20 09:43 AM
3

In UK, women are paid £11,000 for filing police report. "Why would a woman lie about rape?" Guess we can add 11,000 quid to the list. Holy shit!
/r/MGTOW22/06/20 09:36 AM
4

Or tell them you're "gay". That works wonders. If you're good looking, appearing poor doesn't work so great. They still pursue, and you gotta worry about those who don't take rejection well.
/r/MGTOW22/06/20 09:31 AM
6

When it comes to commitment or marriage, most women have to settle for a guy they're not sexually attracted to, which is the main factor behind the cheating and dead bedrooms.
/r/MGTOW22/06/20 08:15 AM
2

Lookist/Heightist/Ableist bigots like him will end up turning the West into a 3rd world society. Their arrogance won't allow them to make rational decisions once those 30% of males start to impact the economy. Their "solutions" will only make things even worse for themselves.
/r/MGTOW20/06/20 11:38 PM
5

Wow! Why did they get banned? Especially a feminist sub of all places?
/r/MGTOW19/06/20 09:25 PM
3

What baffles me the most is, how somebody even questions himself in such a situation I blame the myths men are raised to believe about attraction. When men are constantly told women are "less visual" and "less sexual", the implied message underneath is that female sexual attraction can be "earned". Guys who are on the ugly/short side are far more likely to buy into this crap because they've never experienced what real attraction looks/behaves like.
/r/MGTOW19/06/20 09:17 PM
7

So true. If her "attraction" to you isn't chad type attraction, then she's a scamming Toxic Wife (TM) trying to sell you a fake imitation of love.
/r/MGTOW19/06/20 08:57 PM
2

Bluepilled folks are woefully ignorant of the damage unchecked hypergamy will do to civilization. You can't have 30% of the male populace left out of the game and expect civilization to survive. Something will have to give. There's no way around it. Either things like sexbots and plastic surgery will advance enough and come down in price, or Gen Z and later will find themselves living in a 3rd world society, with women prostituting themselves for basic necessities. As I see it, we have 3 options…
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 11:09 PM
6

If she doesn't find you physically attractive, her attention can get pretty expensive.
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 09:58 PM
3

HAHAHAHA! Who said women didn't have a sense of humor? This is gold.
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 09:55 PM
4

I was just gonna say, cat's too. Socialize them early enough and they're just like dogs in surprising ways. Plus I don't have to take her out to go pee and I'm not woken up in the middle of the night by loud barking at who knows what.
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 09:52 PM
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