BoomTheBear86 Archive

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602	Woman “social influencer and Onlyfans Model” engaged in persistently stalking and harassing several footballers gets slap on the wrist (UK)	General	BoomTheBear86	/r/MensRights	25/06/23 08:10 AM

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–	"you are not entitled to sex. It is not a necessity" is a bad argument This is a salient question. Take a hypothetical person who is kept alive by access to basic essentials but no more. No learning, no education, nothing “extra” beyond what they need to live, to exist. Most would consider this hypothetical person to be existing in a state of torture/abuse, some would go as far as to say their life is not worth living (assume we can predict their entire life trajectory will follow this pattern). So the “well it’s not needed to survive” argument is a strange one to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/24 04:26 PM
1	Question for women - why do women shame men for having standards? What is the actual reason for this? Even so. I don’t think “most men” have a weight preference that is in the upper standard deviation for women. This isn’t the 90s where coked out supermodels are being pushed. Thickness is very much in. What’s popular at the moment is a body with shape, and with shape comes weight. Most men are not looking for the Tim burton esque parody of a women as thin as a baguette with an oversized arse and boobs. They’re looking for a woman who proportionally has the female silhouette on average, which sim…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 01:07 PM
4	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness No. I said, if you are claiming “women as a whole do care about men’s mental health issues” you should be able to point to posts in here, where such issues are being raised, where women affirm those issues and reply supportively. I never said “give me a study” because I know asking for exact proof of a generalised claim is stupid. But looking for anecdotal evidence to support it isn’t. And it should be searchable. Right? I honestly don’t care whether you do or don’t do it. My point was it find i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 11:32 AM
6	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness Right. I’m not furthering the discussion more until you can point to this evidence of “women as a whole do care”, using this thread if you like. I’m sorry, but an anecdotal “women push themselves to do this” isn’t proof I should take that claim seriously, when I’m participating in a thread that is full of constant redirection and reframing of points I’m trying to make about men’s mental health (for reference; I’m not saying that you) More. If this is a general claim. It should be very easy to se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 11:15 AM
7	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness Whoa whoa whoa. Hold up. You can just involve a very foggy “women as a whole do care”. But I need to specifically evidence what I am doing?? I work in the mental health field as a professional. I’m a founding member of a young men’s advocacy and outreach group in my local area that works with schools and colleges. In nearby colleges i come in and offer counselling sessions and mental health service provision. Now, where’s the proof “most women care”, because this thread is a whole lot of excuses…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 11:04 AM
3	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness Where did I say that? I said the studies disproves the claim that men don’t seek services when under duress, specifically in a demographic that is stereotyped as being “macho” and holding more traditional male views. Why are you invoking young men? And whether they need therapy? Where did I say any of that? You are aware that the attitudes of younger men towards therapy are more open than those of the demographic in the study who has shown to access it in high amounts, right? So why would it be …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 11:00 AM
3	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness But why are you deflecting to those “other situations” when I’m giving you a direct example of raising said issues when that isn’t the case? That just goes back to my earlier analogy: “I won’t engage with your argument because other people make bad arguments on this topic.” It explains why many don’t listen overall, but it’s not a satisfactory explanation to not address direct points given. It just plays into the optics of OPs post of “looking for excuses not to engage with reasonable arguments.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 10:57 AM
2	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness Where did I say women are behind this? Can you actually READ what I’ve posted and point to where I’ve said “men didn’t do this” “women did this”??? I said NOTHING about who causes what. So please would you stop “rebutting” my points with premise that you’re assuming for me? You are playing right into OPs complaint by treating me raising an issue for men as an attack on women. You actually have no idea whether I believe men or women are the “cause” of men’s mental health woes, because you never a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 10:41 AM
2	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness Fair. But these are unactionable? (You said all male issues are non actionable). So we can’t do anything about the issues I described? Why?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 10:27 AM
5	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness I haven’t seen that in OPs post. Nor in mine. You’re using an assumption to avoid engaging with arguments right in front of you and dismiss them as unworthy. This is exactly the kind of problem here. This would be like me and you talking, and then I hold up my hand and go “Your point is reasonable, actually I have no objections. But I’m going to act like your point is worthless, because some women I know argue in bad faith and I’m now going to treat you, as if you’re the same as them, despite yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 10:22 AM
1	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness OP hasn’t literally said that, stop straw manning. OP has accused people of playing to exactly the same deflections he raised in his first post. He’s correct. Nowhere did he say “men have it worse than women”. He has many times directly stated acknowledgement of women’s issues, including those in unique spheres that men are unaffected by. His question is “why does asking to shine light on men’s issues result in people doing anything and everything to avoid treating it like a fair question?” And …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 10:10 AM
7	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness Can you describe to me how these issues are “Figleaves for misogynistic rhetoric” the observation that there is a growing mental health crisis in young men that needs addressing as the end destination is disproportionate suicide rates. Clearly the mental health services we do have available for men, and push them towards, aren’t working for them. the observation that there is a disproportionate application of law when it comes to sentencing between men and women, even where a woman has no depend…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 09:47 AM
11	As long as women take criticisms personally we will never achieve equality or happiness That’s not true. Some do that, but many don’t. Theres another thread on here that brings up the male suicide rate. That’s it. Nothing about women’s suicide issues not mattering or being unworthy of attention. A person replying to the comment redirects the conversation to the notion that women “attempt suicide more” and NOW any further engagement in the debate can be seen as dismissing women’s issues because they have been introduced into the conversation as a shutdown tactic. There is nothing “r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 09:32 AM
5	A number of women are creating co-housing situations and supportive communities.The women in these communities live pretty happily. Why aren’t red pill men doing the same? This is actually a contested point, as studies that claim that often make the claim from using “suicidal ideation” as the criteria in women, and they use behaviours such as self harm to register that, or something “thinking about it”. I personally would not consider someone self harming on their upper arm, or “thinking of offing themselves” as “suicide attempts”. Suicide ideation is not the same as suicide attempts. Suicide ideation is higher in women without a doubt, but I don’t think we have e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 08:46 AM
1	Question for women - why do women shame men for having standards? What is the actual reason for this? Even if you use “average” to cover yourself here, you’re still earmarking the majority of women as hypocrites as the average height for men globally is around 5,8”, exceptions being in some Nordic countries with higher averages around 5,11”. And yet 6’ is the golden standard. 6’ is above average. It puts you in the top 15-20% of men height wise. Which puts in within the “one standard deviation away from the mean”. And you think the women asking for 6’ men are all in their upper standard deviatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 08:33 AM
6	Men should want to have lesbian besties like women have gay besties Oh well. Head above parapet. I find the normalisation of women entering gay male spaces (gay bars) because the gay men there “make them feel safe” and all this “gay male bestie” stuff is just utter bollocks. As if gay men are scenery for the lives and minds plights of women. I get wanting a space away from straight men, feeling safe from them. Great. There is NO NEED to make the gay male space, a space for men, to meet men, men who are not interested in women, have a “purpose for women”. It is j…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 01:23 PM
9	Men should want to have lesbian besties like women have gay besties Seems so. The “gay male bestie” is a homophobic stereotype that involves reducing gay men into supporting characters in the “main character lives” of cosmopolitan wannabe women. By all means have a gay male friend. Even a best friend. But if you’re specifically looking for a “gay male bestie” you’re gross and you fucking suck imo. It’s really no different to say “hmm I think I need to find a black best friend” or “I need a fat nerdy best friend”. Why? Why would you pick people out specifically f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 11:56 AM
4	Men should want to have lesbian besties like women have gay besties And that’s fine. The “trendification” of the “male gay bestie” reduces the gay male into a reductive stereotype who basically exists to entertain straight women with his flamboyant and jester-like antics. It’s gross. By all means, women can be friends with gay men, but this whole “I need a gay male best friend because…” is just looking at them not as people, but props to pad out her lifestyle and its fucking yucky. So yeah, it’s actually a good thing men don’t specifically aim for a “lesbian bes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 11:52 AM
1	I often hear only Women are "Monkey branchers" i disagree fully, i believe man are as bad or even worse then woman in Monkey Branching. Immorality is beside the point. People see it as dubious, because as you said you “weren’t getting along” but “noticed his friend was nicer” and “it would end anyway.” People may argue that had you not started to invest attention in the friend, you may have resolved your issues with your partner (or tried) and took a less fatalistic view than the one you did. I mean, you have no way of knowing it was “going to end anyway” because you dumped him. But saying that does confirm the idea you were sim…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 10:06 AM
1	I often hear only Women are "Monkey branchers" i disagree fully, i believe man are as bad or even worse then woman in Monkey Branching. Your two definitions do not match what you claimed is the definition (fear of being left), you just added that part from nowhere. Whether it’s by leaving yourself or fear of being left , if you have prospective(s) lined up, it is monkey branching so long as the contingency relationship was being nurtured and pursued whilst the other was active. The key ingredient is the monkey brancher is under the perception that their original relationship “will be ending” one way or another. Men do do this. S…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 09:55 AM
1	What constitutes as cheating is mostly a subjective matter and more couples should openly discuss their boundaries when it comes to the matter Yes, exactly. In absence of evidence, be cautious rather than carefree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 05:28 PM
3	I often hear only Women are "Monkey branchers" i disagree fully, i believe man are as bad or even worse then woman in Monkey Branching. And those arguments are dumb. No matter the gender employing them. Crucifying actually women on how a “hypothetically women would behave like this in my contrived scenario which doesn’t occur in reality” is basically making arguments from headcanon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 11:18 AM
2	What constitutes as cheating is mostly a subjective matter and more couples should openly discuss their boundaries when it comes to the matter General rule of thumb. Always discuss where possible. If not, assume the bar of emotional betrayal is lower rather than higher within reason of maintaining day to day activities. So for example, if you haven’t talked to your partner about this stuff. It’s reasonable to assume you don’t flirt with people of the opposite sex. Ideally seek clarity, but if you don’t have it, don’t assume that. But talking to other people of the opposite sex? It’s unreasonable to assume that most people would view th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 09:44 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? Indeed. But there’s an argument to be made that humans have turned their back on rampant egoism some time ago, so there’s incentive to lean against it. After all we extend many benefits and safety nets to the most vulnerable and enfeebled in our society. It is not in our (strictly speaking) scientific reproductive interests to do so. So whilst I agree altruism is motivated at a base level by egoism, I think more than “reproductive success” turns the wheel.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 08:57 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? The riposte comment was reference to the point my post, which you replied to, was originally replying to someone who made the claim I was talking about with bringing it up as a counterpoint. Of course I didn’t claim you made it as a riposte, because my original comment was made before you decided to reply to it. Why would I accuse you of saying something when I typed something to someone else before you had even replied? Two times in one thread now I’ve had people going “well I don’t say that!” …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 08:52 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? Fair point. I think taking the “human stance” would be an upgrade already because as said, men as a group are rarely extended the “humanity” concern anyway, so it would benefit the group if everyone adopted even that, without special identification towards men. The issue is many men don’t even do that. They see other men as “other” or at worst “enemy and competition” and they don’t care about their welfare at all because they view them as an obstacle to their goals.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 08:36 AM
19	I often hear only Women are "Monkey branchers" i disagree fully, i believe man are as bad or even worse then woman in Monkey Branching. You can’t in good faith argue someone should be considered “as much of a thing” as another group in reality, based upon a hypothetical situation that assumes a reality that isn’t true. That’s like me arguing that women should be considered as prone to violence as men “for let us consider this hypothetical world where A and B is the case, and let us also assume that…in this situation, they surely would.” Or perhaps “women leaders should be as judged as brutal as men, for if we looked at the few e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 08:27 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? In many cases I agree. On the macro scale I don’t think it’s so simple. Slavery is a good example. Slavery up until its point of abolishment was a particularly profitable exercise not merely by means of trading slaves but also in saved labour costs. For people who could have people work for them for free, it wasn’t really “in their interest” to argue that they should instead let these workers be free people and be able to argue for wages. It was whether it was considered to be morally correct or…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 08:21 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? Where did I claim to the contrary? Stop being so slippery with engaging with the points I’m trying to get you to engage with. My point, as it had been for the past few posts is the idea that “men suffer no disadvantages as a result of their gender” and more recently “a thing cannot be an advantage and a disadvantage at the same time” both of which I think are bunk. So far in reply you’ve offered: “but that’s a disadvantage for women” “but that’s an advantage for men”. So it seems to me you’re op…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 08:14 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? It’s not about what I expect people to think at all. People can think what they like. The point is male pattern baldness is a principally male character, and it is deemed to be unattractive to many (for whatever reason) and it was offered as a riposte to the idea that “men suffer no disadvantages as a result of their gender”. Arguing about the “why and what” of why people do find it unattractive irrelevant to my point. All that matters is people find it unattractive, on average, compared to a fu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 08:03 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? It’s not about identity, it’s about empathy. Presumably you’re not a child. You can still recognise and advocate for the rights of children against abuse despite your lack of identity with them right? Because of some moral compass or recognition of ethics. Needing to identify directly with a group has never been a requirement to advocate for their interests. If that train of thought had preserved, the development of women’s rights would have been much slower as it was accelerated by the actions …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 07:58 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? Why not? Because you said so? So if I go “women are naturally nurturing” that’s only a positive right? Or maybe “women are naturally vulnerable”. You’re naturally awesome at tending to people, and in need of natural protections and such. Or would you claim that assuming are naturally more nurturing than men yields no advantages? So when people say that they don’t mean “women are more naturally apt and effective parents?” Because people have never drawn that assumption… People wouldn’t use that l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 07:24 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? Okay, great, that’s not what I asked. I said “do you think these stereotypes yield no disadvantages at all?” I already acknowledged in my post that they yield both advantage and disadvantage, and it’s obvious by the dissatisfaction in my post tone (and what I said) that I understand removing one removes the other; that’s patently obvious. So I’m not quite sure what all this “well you’d need to get rid of the advantages!!!!” Stuff is. I know. I’m well aware that removing the positive assumption a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 07:09 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? I wasn’t replying to you so I’m not sure why you thought that comment was directed at you. Take a look at the reply chain OP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 07:05 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? I think it would absolutely be in men’s advantage to do so, and the lack thereof is one of the biggest stumbling blocks to male advocacy. The problem is though a lot of men love to cling to their “men are naturally winners, men are naturally competitive” stereotype, because they only see it from the perspective of the winner (which every one of them is clambering to be) and they give scant thought for the losers. But you don’t need to be a mathematician to realise that a competition necessitates…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 07:01 AM
–	Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? Would you argue that men trying to liberate themselves from gender stereotypes such as: being inherently sexual in a reductive way. “needing” to enjoy “masculine” pursuits to be validated as “straight” or a “proper man”. A reluctance to place himself in harms way when he feels threatened, where another is threatened is seen as cowardly rather than “being responsible for one’s safely” and goes back to the second point. Baldness being conflated with ugliness or lack of care in a majority of cases …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/24 06:52 AM
1	The problem with modern marriage is that there are 0 repercussions for cheating I mean, you could just say “my bad” rather than invoking some bizarre rule of “devils advocates arguments need to have substance” (no? There’s no requirement for ANY type of argument to have substance, the interlocutors engage with it based on lack thereof or content therein) And the same for the very subtle sideswipe of “well just posting shitty opinion”, yes, because as a troll, I’m going to take time and effort to type out a tentatively worded post with several caveats? If my goal is to get a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 12:20 PM
5	The problem with modern marriage is that there are 0 repercussions for cheating I’d beg you to pay attention to the pay where I said “devils advocate” and “I don’t think infidelity should be illegal” and said “people may try and liken it to this”. None of that is “my argument”. I never even made a comment over whether I believed such arguments are even plausible, merely that they’re likely to be the ones made. So…yeah. I don’t disagree…?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 11:39 AM
1	Own Experience: "Men are 'preprogrammed' to take drugs" Lazy trot like this escapes the more analytic take that men are predisposed to drugs because they’re lacking in authentic effective access to coping mechanisms due to social taboos regarding men showing vulnerability. So the natural outcome of that is men privately medicate with drugs and alcohol. Notice; it’s infrequently the well to do men who develop these problematic relationships with drugs and drink, or have peer groups revolving around doing so “to be cool”. It’s the lads who are in troub…	/r/MensRights	18/06/24 10:12 AM
–	Why do straight women love gay men for the same reasons they dislike straight males? Being called gay as a slur shouldn’t insult or be homophobic unless you’re gay - incorrect. Many laws in many countries define harassment or discrimination owing to sexual orientation as the use of derogatory language or intention regarding sexuality irrespective of whether the person is gay or not. If people at work start throwing labels at me mockingly accusing me of being gay, when I’m not gay, I can go after them for harassment based on sexual orientation even though im not straight. This is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 09:04 AM
15	The problem with modern marriage is that there are 0 repercussions for cheating Depends how you view it. Regarding drug use, I could field the argument “the use of drugs is between the user and the dealer” and ask why the law needs to get involved. Some more progressive countries take this stance, hence legalisation to “cut out the middleman” of dubious sourcing. However fact is many countries don’t take such a view whether the drugs are “ethically sourced” or not. Why? Because at some point they’ve determined individual behaviours, when they compound turn into social behav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 08:26 AM
1	The female equivalent of a man concerning himself with a partners sexual past is women being insulted by the need for paternity tests and prenups. The only real assumption you can reasonably make from someone not having lots of prior sex is…they haven’t had a lot of prior sex. And the reason for this is because sex isn’t something you can just decide “I shall have it!” And go and get it. It involves other people, their consent, their will, their choices. So whilst it is more likely a guy with a lower body count is indicative of him perhaps being less sexually motivated possibly I’d say it’s not a reasonable assumption, because just because…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 06:05 PM
1	The female equivalent of a man concerning himself with a partners sexual past is women being insulted by the need for paternity tests and prenups. That only works if you assume lack of participation something correlates to being bad at it. Which is illogical. It could be, it might not be. To suggest lack of the thing suggests bad at the thing is like saying that all people with no relationship experience should be avoided because it’s reasonable to assume they’d be terrible at relationships. You’d be correct to assume they have little to no experience but to equivocate that with and therefore will be bad is silly. There are plenty of endea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 05:49 PM
10	I genuinely can't understand men who try to coax/convince a woman to give him a chance, even after he has been rejected. Like, not all guys do this, but men who have done, it, where’s the infamous male ego? Yes. To pin it down to make deficit entirely and ignore the social history of the notion of “chasing a woman and wooing her even when she rejects you to show her she’s worth it” is just taking this topic in bad faith honestly. Men did not conjure up the idea that women saying no might mean “yes later”. This was a social mechanic developed as a means for women to protect their purity and innocence when responding to suitors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 04:57 PM
3	I genuinely can't understand men who try to coax/convince a woman to give him a chance, even after he has been rejected. Like, not all guys do this, but men who have done, it, where’s the infamous male ego? I know, and no “should mean no” right? And I don’t think women should turn into Priestly, no. My point is some people say “no doesn’t mean give up” and their no, is no different to their “I want you to stop.” The problem is this idiotic notion that “no can mean yes”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 04:51 PM
2	I genuinely can't understand men who try to coax/convince a woman to give him a chance, even after he has been rejected. Like, not all guys do this, but men who have done, it, where’s the infamous male ego? I agree. But the stickler is men can’t read women’s minds, so they have no way of knowing whether a woman saying “no” means “you have no chance” or “I like you but I don’t want to seem eager”, which is where the confusion arises.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 04:41 PM
9	Q4BP: When was a time evidence changed your mind? Did you read the conversation logs? The guy “playing the woman” was not strongly leading the conversation at all, just merely being conversational. If you consider that “saying what they want to hear” regarding how women on dating apps should talk to men then all hope is lost really. Nothing in the conversation logs was iffy. Merely replying to questions the men asked, asking questions back. It was all very civil and actually. The post showed a few things: 1) an average looking woman will be app…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 04:34 PM
2	I genuinely can't understand men who try to coax/convince a woman to give him a chance, even after he has been rejected. Like, not all guys do this, but men who have done, it, where’s the infamous male ego? It’s probably because of the social adage of times bygone where women wanted a man to “chase them” and some men still have this drilled into their heads by both men and women, that you’re meant to “try and try” to show you mean it, and if you give up right away it shows you lacked genuine intent. This is still a notion. Smaller, but still there. I’d also argue it’s not entirely gendered. I know for a fact that I am not the only man who has rejected a woman and been subjected to near infinite “wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 04:12 PM
–	As a White Man, Black Women get hated for no Reason, and i never understood why this is. Indeed. Theres also potential tension there as well between the two groups, particularly where African Americans act as non-appointed spokespeople for black interests, or “African interests” and describe their own experiences as the quintessential essence of “what it is to be black and African”. Of the women I described working with, none of them have particularly pleasant things to say about the generalisations and stereotypes about African Americans, they certainly don’t really see them as “ki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 09:16 AM
–	As a White Man, Black Women get hated for no Reason, and i never understood why this is. Not to say that it isn’t applied elsewhere or that black women elsewhere are free of such, but a lot of this is cultural and not racial and specifically to do with African-American women and generalisations/stereotypes of their behaviours. It seems like a broader brush stroke because often the men engaging in these stereotypes (be they fair or otherwise) assume that this is how “black women are” based on their experience/perception of African American women alone. It’s bizarre. Like, there’s a d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 08:10 AM
7	What are your unpopular opinions about dating, relationships, manosphere, or/and genders? In some countries (like the UK) it is impossible for a woman to be guilty of rape. So that little is sidestepped by women being immune to actually partaking in the crime. Stuff like “forced to penetrate” (where you can actually prove it, which is extremely difficult) is regarded only as a form of sexual assault which by proxy carries less severe penalties than rape and it’s in the same boat of offences with varying severity like touching someone’s private’s etc. So for example in the UK, if a wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/24 05:15 PM
4	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Yeah. The thing with gendered debates is often it devolves into piss contest thinking. Even here simply stating rather modest stuff like “it would be nice if some sympathy or recognition of mental health issues in new parenthood is recognised in men” is interpreted as claiming said issues are worse/more important than women’s, that women’s issues “don’t matter”, that men want “to be coddled”. It’s like for fucks sake where is the nuance? Saying “it sucks balls that men don’t get this line of que…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 05:33 PM
0	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression It’s difficult to say without specifics to observe. It definitely sounds like something is wrong to me. And let me be clear for all readers who seem to be of the kind I’m suggesting that women in this situation aren’t struggling or cannot, it sounds like she is, and something isn’t mentally right. The fact of this post is exactly our conversation. You are asking questions about it. You are curious. Open minded. I charge someone to make an equivalent post with a male doing the same and seeing if …	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 04:16 PM
7	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Excellent point about recognising the source of potential mental stressors as the man’s role in supporting his partner. This is often overlooked. “Make sure you look after mum as well as baby.” They say. The opposite isn’t really a thing. It is expected (and rightly so) that a man will try his best to support his partner who is recovering after giving birth and adjusting. However there seems to be this strange assumption that this, coupled with a new child, also coupled with the man’s typical du…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 03:25 PM
19	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Recognising someone has a mental disorder and needs support isn’t infantalising them. So calling for that to happen in men isn’t a plea for that nor is it a call to “give men endless leave” - I’m not sure where that part came from because no such thing was suggested at all. There a chasm of space between “it would be good if it was recognised men can suffer with ill mental health in such situations too” with “asking that men be given endless leave from duties”. I said the first, not the second. …	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 03:12 PM
2	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Don’t fudge it. Point it out. If it’s evident, you should be able to quote me on it. And you seem to be mistaken in the point I’m making. The problem here is I’m claiming they are the same thing (men and women can both be diagnosed with PPD, men and women can both experience mental health issues related to newborn kids) you’re the one who seems to think I’m saying that the mental struggles they suffer are precisely the same in nature and origin: a claim I never made and you seem unable to find m…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 02:48 PM
6	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Point to where I said “men experiencing post partum depression is exactly the same as a woman giving birth and the hormone changes.” I drew an equivalence between men being able to be diagnosed with PpD, and women can, which is true. I also drew equivalence between men struggling with new parental stuff, and women. Stop wasting time kicking a straw man before making comments calling other people dumb.	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 02:24 PM
1	CMV: women get dressed up and wear makeup ourselves - not for males These men are not the majority. Just as it is with women who discourage/get argumentative or insecure when their partner starts making progress in the gym and they think he’s going to attract other women. They’re not the metric we should judge by.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 02:13 PM
6	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression I remember seeing this phenomenon in real time with another thread in relationship advice. Poster was talking about whether they were right to be upset and go NC with their cousin because a man they were in love with was marrying their cousin. The person in question had confessed to the man, and the man hadn’t reciprocated. Comments were sympathetic, and seemed to be playing into the idea that the persons “upset” was understandable and the cousin was kinda snakey because they knew the person lik…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 02:12 PM
9	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression I don’t disagree. And this is a big part of the problem. The only solution is to treat it with the seriousness it deserves (without overblowing it) and resisting the taunts, jeers and insults. As soon as you stop discussing because of such, you now feed the idea “it’s not a real issue”.	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 01:16 PM
6	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression It’s a big matter. Women under went a MASSIVE social shift starting in the later 19th century ending in the mid 20th century regarding their social role. We are talking nearly a century of philosophy, politics, sociology and discussion that reworked the concept of the social female and feminism was the constant string. It was a big and massive undertaking and it wasn’t quick. I think people misunderstand how much of a thing it is going to be time wise to see men do the same sort of thing. Men ha…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 01:08 PM
6	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Hear hear.	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 12:59 PM
2	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Yeah i saw your other comment and it’s 100% correct, and identifies one of the biggest hurdles in men’s rights spaces. The tendency to still engage in strong outgroup bias. The mental health stuff is actually interesting because there’s plenty of data to suggest men suffering from mental health crisis so engage with frontline services, the problem is they’re given low priority responses (like a follow up phone call) and generally defined as “low risk”. There was a paper published a few years bac…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 12:56 PM
4	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Agree. Mental health can explain, but cannot excuse. I can't remember where I read it but the comments on the approach to criminal behaviour a la the application of the chivalry thesis was summed up as "When a man commits it, it is bad. When a woman commits it, it is sad." Basically when a woman does something wrong, it is tragic and we need to look at what went wrong to allow her to get to that point. When a man does similar, we only ask questions of why he cannot behave himself and "get with t…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 12:46 PM
11	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Plenty of men will happily do that if it grants them the validation of women. I'm not sure how to overcome this problem because it is deep rooted in our gendered psychology that women vastly bias themselves and men bias women as well. So it actually takes a very concerted effort for convince men NOT to screw themselves over if it nets them brownie points with women to do so. With the feminists the "we just wanna make men happy" were never part of their group. Ever. You had degrees of how radical…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 12:38 PM
11	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Say it louder for those in the back. Excellent comment. You are exactly right with this. Even in a sub focused on men's rights, with a situation that considers disparity in treatment that is actually fairly obvious, and links to a very prevalent and serious mens right issue (mental health) there is still a lot of "kissing the ring" for women happening here. Like "i'm not sure this is okay to discuss because it might feel like we're not supporting the woman..." This mindset needs to be nuked. Hyp…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 12:31 PM
9	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Like most forms of depression, sufferers of PPD are often unaware they are depressed, they just assume their mood is "normal" and usually explain it away with things like being tired, lack of energy or beating themself up "not good enough" which would make them reluctant to seek help as it narrows focus on a suspected flaw. So no, the woman in this case is likely unaware (assuming she has it) she is depressed and probably would be putting her behaviour down to "being bored and lonely" or just "f…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 12:18 PM
5	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Exactly this. Nothing in this post is about "dragging her down" but asking "why aren't men being lifted up too?" and we can see why. Because a lot of people seem unaware men can even experience this very thing in the first place. Any partner who is struggling with a new baby, man or woman, should be given a compassionate approach before we decide anything is wrong with their personal attitude and approach. It's as simple as that. The fact is however, men do not get that "benefit of the doubt" cu…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 12:14 PM
8	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Men can and do experience PPD. This is a direct equivalence. PPD diagnosis has nothing to do with giving birth as a necessary condition of it's diagnosis. It is simply onset of at least moderate depression symptoms in a parent following the birth of a child.	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 12:09 PM
12	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Your point about "mental health excusism" in women is actually a very salient point and a good illustration of the differing treatments of genders regarding mental health and behaviour - which makes it a men's rights issue (because it relates to denial of recognition of mental health in men). Not just for this topic. I'd encourage anyone to take a walk into relationship advice. The amount of threads where a male poster will articulate "some issue" with his female partner and the volume of commen…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 12:06 PM
59	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression In short supply. This thread illustrates nicely it's as much lacking from men as it is women, due to either ignorance of the facts or purposeful denial of the situation - "It's not a big deal just get over yourself". This is one of those really nasty "we're going to have to accept us boys are part of the issue here" men's rights issues (which let me be clear, doesn't absolve non-men completely, but it isn't women i've been chatting with in this thread denying PPD is a thing, or saying that a man…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 11:57 AM
1	How can I as a woman be a good friend? I do fear sometimes the straying of purpose can make it difficult for people to even understand what is and isn't a rights issue. This is somewhat evident in the post related to "PPD rush diagnoses in women" where the point of the OP is being missed because people are framing the issue as a "moan that his wife needs help" rather than actually engaging with the fundemental idea regarding the disparity of treatment between men and women. The man's relationship to his wife and his approach with her…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 11:47 AM
1	CMV: women get dressed up and wear makeup ourselves - not for males Agree, which is why I think pointing out the wording is significant here, because it frames it as the first, when many are viewing it as the second.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 11:43 AM
3	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression My comment wasn't malicious so if it came across that way, i apologise. This is just a territory very close to my heart and professional life (men's mental health) so I get very inflamed when I see much of the thing i'm trying to combat every day which is denial/downplaying of men's capacity to suffer from mental illnesses. PPD can absolutely be brought on by hormonal changes as can post partum psychosis but neither one of those requires the hormonal changes to be diagnosed. If you're looking at…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 11:40 AM
8	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression So part of being a man is supporting the idea that "men can't experience this kind of mental illness" and just leaving them to that (regardless of whether they experience it or not, issues be damned) because "real man". Sorry, your idea of being a man is dumb and unhelpful then if that's what you think. And what's all this rubbish about not support the woman? Where is that? This isn't about how it's unfair to support a woman who is suffering, it's about how when a man suffers in similar situatio…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 11:24 AM
9	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression OPs contention isn't that people are being sympathetic to the mum or that they're being harsh to Dad. OP is pointing out how the general consensus is defaulting to the idea of "something is wrong with mum and she needs help and you should help her get help." When the genders are reversed (male partner watching the kids and spending 12 hours on his phone) you will absolutely not see people imploring the wife to check to see if her partner has post partum depression. They will be advising her to i…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 11:15 AM
21	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression We don't need to. Post partum Depression can be applied to men and is clinically observed to occur in men. Multiple health organisations and experts over the world agree on this. The fact so many people are unaware of this is actually really really concerning. Not bile and hate. Ignorance. As we can see in this thread already with loads of people walking around believing men can't experience PPD despite the fact it's a medical consensus they can. This is what men are up against, not people throw…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 11:06 AM
26	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression What does giving birth have to do with post partum depression? Are you saying that because men don't give birth it's impossible for them to struggle with becoming a parent and acclaiming to the role? Balancing their new life? Attending a child? I contend men and women CAN have these same experiences and so there is a double standard in sympathy extended in them. If you disagree it's up to you to prove how giving birth necessarily excludes men from having these experiences. Just be aware clinical…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 10:58 AM
2	How can I as a woman be a good friend? Don't necessarily agree on the "looking for ways to control" angle, but I agree with the rest. Why is this post here? This has nothing to do with Men's rights at all. Why does this question need to be asked to a group of men first and foremost concerned with male right adovcacy? You could have got just as much of an answer in a generalised relationship sub because even the man in this situation has nothing to do with men's rights (experiencing heartbreak is not a men's rights issue). Feels a bit…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 10:50 AM
10	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression But it doesn't go for men and women that's their entire point. Their point is when a woman is struggling after having a baby, people will look for reasons to support her, reasons why "she isn't coping" and are all to ready to diagnose her with something that explains her lack of ability. If you seriously think men who are struggling with a new baby are given the same kind of treatment and consideration i'd argue you need to give your head a shake. We literally have a poster in this thread claimi…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 10:41 AM
36	Husband says wife spends 12 hours a day on her phone and neglects newborn babies - comments excuse her and claim possible Post-Partum Depression Sorry but I need to call out a few things here. "Men don't give birth so we can't understand the pain or have post-partum depression". Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Men can suffer from post partum depression, this is literally recognised by various health organisations around the world, to the extent the prevalence is tracked (1 in 10 men to 1 in 7 women) so please stop peddling falsehoods. Post-partum depression is defined as "the onset of depression symptoms after the birth of a child" not a singl…	/r/MensRights	06/06/24 10:33 AM
1	CMV: women get dressed up and wear makeup ourselves - not for males Whether it’s thin or fat is to the side of my point. My point is once people attract a partner (by however they do it, be it being high maintenance or low) they don’t just then abandon doing or being that thing and expect to keep their partners interest. This would be like me dressing up all fine, getting into ridiculous shape when courting my wife and then dressing like a slob and gaining loads of weight “because I’ve bagged her”, and then calling her superficial because “she was only attracted…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 10:16 AM
2	CMV: women get dressed up and wear makeup ourselves - not for males Good post and hits the nail on the head. The problem with these debates is the binary is presented as “I do it only for me because” and “for men”. I don’t think it’s accurate to say women do it “for men” but I think the women who say they do it for reasons that have nothing to do with shaping peoples perceptions of them or validation/approval are coping. They don’t do it for men but they do it because they get told they look good, which makes people treat them better, which makes them feel good……	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 09:59 AM
2	CMV: women get dressed up and wear makeup ourselves - not for males I think it’s the use of the term “for men” which loads it. Going onto your last paragraph “women often style themselves attractively without courting the male gaze…” correct. However the notion of “what is attractive” is shaped by the male gaze. So whether the woman intends to do it for men or not, that “making myself feel beautiful, but not for men!!!” Is being done in a way where “beautiful” and “attractive” aligns with male gaze values on the matter whether she does it consciously for that re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 07:10 AM
3	CMV: women get dressed up and wear makeup ourselves - not for males Good post. Fashion conscious hijabi women consistently claim that they are “all about that hijabi fashion life” and it’s for themselves etc etc. but it’s very interesting to note that no women who also engage in “fashion self expression” outside of the Islamic countries engage in similar fashion choices such as covering their hair and wearing headscarves. The women who engage in this particular form of fashion artistry “for themselves” are always coincidentally from countries or cultures where t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 06:52 AM
1	CMV: women get dressed up and wear makeup ourselves - not for males A person who is morbidly obese and unwashed can make all of those claims as well, and yet I imagine you’d probably take issue with equivalence being drawn between them and yourself with regards to your sexiness. Kinda like when there was that period when people kept saying that Lizzo is a 10 and the definition of “sexy” because she is what she is and she owns it authentically, but those same women supporters would be offended if you said they’re sexy “like Lizzo”. The idea of “I’m sexy because I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 06:35 AM
1	CMV: women get dressed up and wear makeup ourselves - not for males The same reason men in relationships are expected to continue to romance and make their partner feel special. I mean, I would have thought it was obvious? People don’t just drop all of their “attraction” behaviours once they snag someone because then they appear less attractive compared to other individuals and their partner might leave. See all the posts on relationship problems from men and women where their partner has began to “let it slip” over time and people are telling them they’re justi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 06:27 AM
1	Is the use of makeup deceptive? If you’ll read my comment, I never said you did. My opening line is “let’s say for the sake of argument, it is” I’m addressing a hypothetical position based on those who argue that. I made that abundantly clear in my very first sentence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 02:11 PM
-1	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant Usually the one presenting the claim makes the evidence. Which doesn’t appear to be here beyond “that’s how it is” “that’s my experience”. Great. Not really enough to claim on a systemic level. And you don’t get to go “prove me wrong else I’m right.”	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 12:06 PM
-1	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant I love how this post is claiming that even the women “off tinder” have tinder brain, which is rotting their approach to dating. When this sub is a fantastic example of how many men (yourself included) have the male equivalent of the same. Every time someone tries to give you an anecdote which might contradict you, you just reject it because “she’ll reject you because she has guys in the bench”, pretty much verbatim blackpill online shitposting with that one. There’s no point giving any advice or…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 11:50 AM
0	Is the use of makeup deceptive? Let’s say it is for the sake of argument. What then? Will anything change? No. Why? Because since when has dating ever been conducted on moral principles??? People exclude people from dating them for immutable facts or simply because “nah” or they “think they’re ugly or out of shape” and that’s the way it is. Nobody is in a rush to date ugly people because “it’s the right thing to do”. So why, if makeup is indeed deceptive, are people going to suddenly go “ah yes, I shall only date these non dec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 10:51 AM
3	Is it truly in the nature of men to chase women? If yes, then is the RP wrong for suggesting that men should be the centre of attention and make women flock around themselves? Can’t say for sure. I’m more emphasising the point it exists in nature, not making a comment on how it applies to humans. I believe that if we are going to apply the “animal” scope to humans, it’s difficult to argue for anything other than “men are the pursuers” mainly due to the gestation duration of humans and how vulnerable pregnancy makes women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 06:41 PM
5	Have women tried to manipulate you to commit or treat them well by saying these things? I think it’s the balance of realism “That was awesome” for a post sex compliment is more believable than “you’re the best dick I’ve ever had” “You’re really handsome” is more believable than “you’re the most handsome man I’ve met”. They could be true, but when a guy is hearing them from multiple women and he himself can see there are better looking men in the circles these women run in, it just begins to cut the realm of being believable: whereas if the women had simple expressed them genuinely …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 06:38 PM
6	Is it truly in the nature of men to chase women? If yes, then is the RP wrong for suggesting that men should be the centre of attention and make women flock around themselves? Phalaropes, Jacanas, Hyenas to some extent, Moose and certain Lemur species. It isn’t massively widespread but it is definitely observed. There’s also various fish species that show similar behaviour where females put on dazzling displays and show off their nest and the males then select them and pair up. It’s enough at least to contest the idea that “to be male is to pursue, to be female is to select.” Phalaropes show this behaviour inversion very strongly, and females will fight each other for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 06:19 PM
1	Do you think that women are partly responsible for men's insecurities? I saw the topic headline and thought “oh cool a topic where maybe we talk about some of the immutable characteristics in men where arguably there is some degree of insecurity concerning them because of the stance of women” I thought maybe we’d discuss it concerning hair, and how I’ve just come out of a thread in relationship advice where a girlfriend described her boyfriend beginning to recede as “cringe”, or maybe why 15-18 year olds with full heads of hair are flying to turkey for hair replace…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 09:02 AM
7	If women were forced to marry beta males in the past, then why do they grieve for them today? They don’t? It’s the men on the receiving end who are protesting being a “beta bux” not the women who eventually settle with them. These women have no problem with setting up house with such a man despite them not being attracted to him sexually. You’ve got the “offended party” wrong in this equation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 09:59 AM
5	If women were forced to marry beta males in the past, then why do they grieve for them today? This was my thought exactly. I get sad when a pet I’ve had for 10 years dies. Where is this bizarro take that you can only legitimately grieve for things you’re attracted to coming from? I swear to god some people who engage with redpill seriously need a common sense slap once in a while. The entire world and human condition doesn’t revolve around sexual dynamics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 09:57 AM
28	What kind of standards do you think are reasonable and which ones are not? Any standards are fine so long as they’re legal, and they come with the required comprehension of the impact they’ll have on your dating options. Now demanding or insisting other people should meet your standards is where problems start.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 09:54 AM
8	Perspective on autistic dating, from an autistic woman I get it in a personal level. If an autistic woman wants to not date autistic men herself then that’s up to her and I’ll support her. What I don’t support is this generalised recommendation that “autistic women shouldn’t date autistic men because autistic women tend to be (stereotypes) and autistic men tend to be (stereotypes)” Rest assured I’ve encountered plenty of autistic women I didn’t want to date either because of them individually having traits I didn’t find appealing. Doesnt mean I need…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 06:07 PM
2	Perspective on autistic dating, from an autistic woman No need for the snark. My comment was respectful. Fair point. But since when was dating an exercise in rationale? “Date according to sensibility and potential commonality?” I just prefer to work that out than “metagame” it else it’s the same kind of thinking as why people are “best off” not interracially dating. Like yes, maybe you’ll have more in common with those people. Sure. If someone wants to use that as their personal dictum, go for it. I take issue when we start advising people “it’s pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 11:51 AM
–	Moral character has no bearing on sexual success Eh? Moral character and cultivation of it is distinct from sexual success entirely. People didn’t decide to cultivate morals to become sexually successful, so why does morality not generating it mean we should discard it and teach the opposite? Not everything of value in human existence is to be weighted according to whether it enables a man to get his dick wet. The value of morals is in other things entirely which have value to society. Seriously. Consider that in this world of ours, there is m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 11:43 AM
0	Perspective on autistic dating, from an autistic woman Agree somewhat. Agree that insistence on “date your equals” is awful thinking. I hate it. I disagree that “the best fit is another disabled person but maybe differently disabled.” The best fit is whoever that person wants and fits with. The end. The idea that disabled people are “best off pairing with someone kind of like them.” Is dangerous language imo because even if you cloak it in benign language (ie “because they’ll understand struggles) it implies that disabled people aren’t worthy of tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 11:31 AM
17	Perspective on autistic dating, from an autistic woman Agree. It’s the lack of symmetry. ND men are advised to seek ND partners, ND women are advised to freely choose whoever they like. It’s a subtle labelling of ND in men are inherently more of a burden than it is in women, so these men “shouldn’t hope” to burden a NT woman with their problems. I’m on the spectrum and I have never had an active interest in dating an autistic woman, and I scorn the idea “I should” as well. I’ve been married to a NT woman for 10 years now. We have the longest endurin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 11:21 AM
29	Perspective on autistic dating, from an autistic woman I don’t get this post. You open with a sort of plea or finger wag against generalising and misconceptions of autism, before then describing autistic men according to some lazy stereotypes based off of nothing more than your own experiences in a select placement school (implying higher needs). What is this? “You’re generalising autism wrong, it’s actually generalised like this instead.”? I’m an autistic man and no shortage of people would describe me as one of the best most hands on fathers they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 11:12 AM
1	Why do feminists expect men to control how other men behave? The difference is more moderate MRAs will actively police such individuals out of their space before they disavow them. You can see good examples of this with the stuff leftwingmaleactivism and menslib does. They don’t just say “not us” and continue to allow them in the space. They kick them out of it first. This is the reason there’s so much inner conflict in many feminist discussion spaces. TERFs and the more intersectional 4th wavers will occupy the same space whilst both saying the other isn…	/r/MensRights	27/05/24 04:48 PM
12	Conscription I think the key difference is it’s no secret that Russia clings to stereotypical gender roles like a child does to a rag doll, the world is conspicuously aware of the fact so it’s not surprising when they do it. It doesn’t make it correct, it just makes it predictable and non-hypocritical. Ukraine is trying to join “the west” in being a “free thinking and modern country” that plays the liberal and globalist “equality” line and then they brutally enforce these roles when this sort of thing happen…	/r/MensRights	25/05/24 08:05 AM
7	Why do feminists expect men to control how other men behave? The thing is with feminism there is no exploratory dialogue. There is no apologetics. If they encounter dissenting views (even in women) they just “other” them. There isn’t really any attempt to try and change minds or be open to changing their own because they’re already in possession of a conviction of being absolutely correct and self evidently so.	/r/MensRights	25/05/24 07:33 AM
9	Why do feminists expect men to control how other men behave? The idea that men have conversations openly about the legality and moral correctness of rape is just wrong. No men in my social circle support the idea of rape. We arrived at this conclusion through simple socialisation in society and we do not have conversations about it being wrong or illegal to remind us (and others we induct into our circle) to specifically make this clear; it’s made clear by common sense application of principles. I do empathise for your situation as a victim of being force…	/r/MensRights	25/05/24 07:23 AM
7	Why do feminists expect men to control how other men behave? Women police women who are not in their subgroups. They do not police within their subgroup at all. They just claim they’re not part of their subgroup. A la “feminists are not a monolith” “genuine feminists don’t say that”	/r/MensRights	25/05/24 07:14 AM
39	Why do feminists expect men to control how other men behave? It’s also hilarious how that logic never works the over way. Such as when men generalise about stuff like paternity fraud or whatever and the “not all women are like that” comes up . So women are just pointing out reality when they do it, but when men do it they’re concealing their guilt. I grow weary of so much of the semantic bullshit that comes with discussions with these modern feminists. They involve and withdraw definitions at a whim according to hidden dogma.	/r/MensRights	25/05/24 07:03 AM
2	When does millennial advice/experience become irrelevant to younger generations? Depends upon the means of rejection. We discontinue boomer advice because “just stop buying coffees” literally won’t allow you to afford a house. The data is there! Same for the CEO handshake approach. Workplaces now have dedicated people-filtering departments with specific requirements so the idea you can chum up to the CEO and get an exception hire just isn’t how it works for any business which isn’t tiny. Now when Z reject millennial advice, the “data” they use to reject it is kinda iffy beca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 01:35 PM
1	Women dominated spaces are heavily thought policed My point is those only the denizens of your village would pass judgement on the danger you present to their lives, through their experience of you. Changing the focus of discussion to “well the consequences were worse back then” is just moving the goalpost of my original point. I’m talking about the idea that in history your community were the ones casting you out from their community according to a community consensus along community guidelines. Nowadays some random person with no skin in your …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 12:42 PM
0	Women dominated spaces are heavily thought policed Don’t pretend that “I performed some act against social consensus in my village and now my village has cast me out” is remotely similar to “some person on the other side of the world has dug up something I said 10 years ago which offends a specific group of people and now they are brigading me with thousands of other people who have never met me to try and prevent me being able to eek a living out anywhere reasonable.” The village example is the natural social order of things- your peers judging…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 12:28 PM
–	Men on lesbian apps. I’m tired of it Gay bars, as in male gay bars. A space for men wanting to socialise and meet with other likeminded men free of the hetero social gaze has become a “safe drinking spot” for straight women to the point it’s now normalised as a “girly drinking spot” where they can enjoy the ambience of gay men in a theatric manner. When gay men protest this, they’re met with “but we want somewhere to drink where there isn’t the threat of straight men.” As if opening female only bars is somehow impossible or that th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/24 12:16 PM
8	The idea that women put in more effort later on in the relationship isn't true. I think you need to specify “younger generations” here. I’m a late thirties married male and me and all my male friends in relationships or also married do not forget that very basic shit. Some of us like myself are the primary organiser of it in our households. At some point we need to accept the “generation boomer” mentality is an ageing thing regarding this idea of “men don’t do that.” The vast majority of men in my age group that I know have an active hand in these things in their relationsh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 06:55 PM
2	Not sure what to name this I think it’s more to point out how it could be seen as contradictory to say “you have no right to expect a partner to sex” but also “leaving a relationship due to lack of sex is valid” which implies then that the expectation of sex must be reasonable else leaving somebody for that reason wouldn’t be valid. Not really men’s rights but whatever.	/r/MensRights	15/05/24 01:31 PM
1	What is your most arbitrary “deal-breaker” when contemplating a serious relationship w/someone? Well had I not met my wife… I’d say lack of basic manners. I can’t stand people who don’t express basic gratitude. If I hand you an object you asked for, just say thanks or give me some recognition that I did something for you. I don’t need fanfares, but I’m not a personal butler so if I do it for you, it’s technically a kindness and should be received as such. Say please. Watch your tone and language around kids (even if they’re not ours) and stuff like that. Don’t swear every other word in a s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 12:35 PM
13	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? I think this is it. There is a difference between advice being unhelpful and being true. “Just be yourself” not really giving you much to work with in terms of actionable outcomes doesn’t mean that “being yourself” is a bad way to conduct yourself. It just means it’s not really something you can actively work on with clear measuring points. Kinda like “get rich”. Being rich of course helps someone with dating prospects, but it’s not very useful advice is it? People can’t just decide “you’re righ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 07:11 AM
1	Why do people, especially women, have such a hard-time accepting that humans are also animals? Evo psyche is a theoretical approach to human behaviour development. Nothing more or less. The problem is behaving like it is verified fact. It is highly contentious for a variety of reasons related to the method. The most evident is it regularly begs the question when it comes to making claims it how humans were, y looking at how we are now, which is proof we were like that, and that we were like that is why we’re like we are now. If you study carefully you’ll notice at no point did you prove a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 08:45 AM
3	“Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.” I think this is partly because human societies have become rather atomized compared to the past, and as a result the “felt benefits” of having wary community members is less felt, because the responsibility of precaution is now either felt redundant, offloaded to professionals or simply irrelevant due to lack of interaction between individuals in a community. This is why you see rather bombastic and bluntly tuned “warning mongering” over social media these days. Similar thing but lacks the fines…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 06:09 PM
1	“Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.” Agreed. Whilst there is a tendency to view neuroticism as the blanket “bad” part of the big 5, it absolutely has reasoning for its existence. Like the others, it comes with drawbacks as well however when expressed too much or too little.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 05:41 PM
4	“Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.” It depends how you define it. I’d say that forms part of it for sure, but I don’t think you can deduce it entirely down to those elements (largely a result of socialisation in women and women’s expectations in social setups), as women irrespective of their social standing or situation average higher scores on it; even those without families, children, many friends or the like to “worry and whittle about”. I’d say it’s partly that, partly evolutionary because it pays to have the bearers of childr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 05:36 PM
8	“Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.” I mean the empathy crown comes with a burden. Studies have found this. Yes women relate to others emotions more easily, but more than one study has also found that women as a generalised group also are more susceptible to emotional contagion (allowing the emotions of individuals to spread across a group) regarding both positive and negative than men. So whilst the cries of “Hivemind” are vitriolic, it does seem to be the case that as part of this “superior empathy”, it’s not entirely “under one’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 04:17 PM
1	If makeup were illegal, it might not entirely fix the current situation but it would change it significantly I don’t think makeup being illegal would really achieve much. It’s just a case of “drag down to our level” and I’m not really fussed. I don’t dislike makeup. I can roll with or without. The double standards you do speak of in this post are more concerning to me than the fact of makeup. Particularly regarding the whole “…and women make more effort to look nice!” Men can use it, but are often judged for doing so. Not just by men. men who alter their hair situation using things like hair systems et…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 12:30 PM
1	If women could magically force men to answer ONE question truthfully what question should women ask? “Have you ever cheated on a partner in the past?” All this “do you like me” “will you marry me” is great, but men can marry and like women for bad reasons. So it doesn’t actually do much. This question would at least weed out some men who have cheated, because the statistics don’t lie, people who do it once tend to do it again. This way at least some certain relationship dooming behaviour is avoided. Having men tell you the truth of whether they like you or not implies that if the answer is yes,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 12:17 PM
3	Men, why won't you commit? Back when I was in my prowling days there were a few factors: 1) Promiscuity. I don’t mean in the sense of strict body counts, but rather her approach to how she generated whatever number she had. Someone who generated a higher number with it arising from seemingly “normal” relationships would be more favourable than someone who generated less but they were spontaneous, with randoms and perhaps generated in quick periods of time rather than distributed. 2) Tendency towards a peaceful existence. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 10:49 AM
4	Why do women hate gay men? Take note of the role women play in both forms of fiction coming from either straight female writers or gay male writers. You’ll notice straight female writers will almost always have their gay men be surrounded by straight women’s allyship and they serve as his main champions and supporters. When gay men do the writing the role of women supporting them tends to be a lot less cartoonish and often seems to come from their mothers or sisters (if at all) or perhaps a single female friend, as oppose…	/r/MensRights	07/05/24 11:30 AM
1	Why do women hate gay men? You made the point. They love gay men in so much as they behave in a certain way and fit in with their lifestyle. They don’t love gay men unconditionally. Quite the opposite. Gay men who aren’t camp, are masculine, are attracted to and attract other masculine men and reject the approaches of these women who may not realise they’re gay often get loads of hostility from women. Such gay men tend to be totally ambivalent about women or leaning as being generally disinterested and in women even as fr…	/r/MensRights	07/05/24 11:12 AM
8	Why do women hate gay men? Thank you for this post. I’m straight but honestly it’s super annoying that there are routine accusations of how men “fetishise lesbians” from women, but the tendency of women to fetishise gay men (to the point of being an overwhelming majority of the people writing fiction about them) being ignored is rank hypocrisy. Gay men are HUGELY fetishised by heterosexual women. Even beyond the sexual fetishisation (as straight men do with lesbians) but additionally they’re fetishised to the point of cer…	/r/MensRights	07/05/24 11:05 AM
13	My girlfriend would choose the bear That should tell you that her stance is more about the theatrics of giving the answer for the sake of signalling than in seriousness. Kinda like people who engage in debates and they spend hours prior drawing up all the assumed enemy arguments and their own counter arguments. It’s not so much about the exercise of discussion or logical thinking as it is having “an answer” and trying to look smart.	/r/MensRights	07/05/24 10:20 AM
6	Women are as likely, or more likely, to be physically aggressive in relationships compared to men So what about the case of the female teachers and the schoolboys? By that definition you gave this is rape. The average 12-13 year old boy cannot (and would not be inclined to due to the authority difference) fight off a woman at least a decade older than him. So she rapes him right? This “average man, average woman” stuff is all well and good but in reality it’s not always average and average. It’s people specifically looking for targets with weaknesses they can exploit. So with this definition…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/24 07:07 AM
1	Do you think most men don’t have a type ? I think the issue with this question is men and women don’t seem to use type in the same way. Women seem to treat the word “type” as meaning “the kind of people I find attractive”. That’s a very female way of looking at it as women are generally more selective when looking at the sex they’re attracted to. Men use the word more to refer to “a specific kind of person I find attractive”, but it isn’t an essential requirement for the man to find someone attractive. A man’s type is more like “if I co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/24 09:04 AM
0	Do you think most men don’t have a type ? But the real question is “what does a type mean?” I’d agree most men have a type but I would also say most men (even those outside Reddit) date outside their type and do so happily and constantly. I think in the previous thread the idea being painted was that if a man is dating you and you’re not his “ideal type” then he must be dating you for bad reasons and I disagree with that. I have a type, but even outside of that type I find many different kinds of women attractive, so the idea of me dati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/24 08:53 AM
1	Do you think most men don’t have a type ? Because we are. But being a visual creature doesn’t mean you’re necessarily super selective or particular about your visual nature to the degree it dominates your thinking. It just means it’s a basic general motivator and stimulator in a way it isn’t for a non-visual creature. Doesn’t mean it’s the only thing we care about or something that causes us to overlook things. The “visual creature” comment for men more refers to the fact men can be aroused and stimulated more readily by how people appe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/24 08:33 AM
1	Are sexual needs a mutual obligation? Yes, it should be mutual. If there’s an irreconcilable difference, split up. If you’re with someone, you should be interested in trying to support them and their needs. If your default stance is to handwave it, it’s a sign it’s not a good fit from the word go. You have to consider their needs and your own and go from there. Example: my wife enjoys having her feet rubbed. It’s not an activity I would say gives me “positive need points” because I’m not particularly drawn to feet. However I know th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 06:37 PM
2	3 theories of masculinity related attainment/sexual dynamics/perspectives and thought processes Yeah, good point. It does seem the “rapid fire” approach seems favoured. Maybe I’m just an old fart but I remember being way more conscious of my approaches I made. It wasn’t enough I found a girl attractive, I had to deem the situation plausible and conducive to me approaching in the first place. Maybe it was the song being played, the situation, or the particular meeting (ie seen you frequent this place in these given nights). Then again all of this occurred in person, not over the internet, F…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 06:23 PM
2	3 theories of masculinity related attainment/sexual dynamics/perspectives and thought processes I think ways to approach rejection are needed. It can be painful yes, but it doesn’t mean it’s personal. If I pick an apple instead of an orange, it doesn’t mean I hate the orange or think it sucks. It just means at that moment, an apple was more on my mind. These descriptions of rejection as “soul crushing” intrigue me. Not because I don’t believe them. But when I see guys of 18 talking about 100s of rejections, it makes me wonder how they handle approaches. Are they just blurting out their int…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 05:03 PM
0	How do you think this "gender war" is going to end? The apparentness of the chasm will appear to widen (online). Various other forms of grifter promising solutions will appear to “have the solution”. More of these will start to target women as well. Possibly some hustle types will start up more formal businesses to profit off what is essentially a folk devil fear that is exaggerated online which is being cultivated in the younger folks who are more perpetually exposed to this sort of thing. When all that reaches peak, there will be some kind of “…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 04:54 PM
2	3 theories of masculinity related attainment/sexual dynamics/perspectives and thought processes Totally agree again. Great points! 10 point plan is a fantastic way to put it, Not just for men, I think it’s generational as said. At some point we became very afraid of the idea of a lack of certainty and knowledge and “letting things unfold” and became dependant on this idea of needing to know “it will be fine I’m in control.” Even if you’re not. It’s probably linked to the difference in economic state or some wider social concerns in the macro level as well as changes in technology (technolo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 04:28 PM
1	3 theories of masculinity related attainment/sexual dynamics/perspectives and thought processes I don’t disagree muscles are a “booster” because they can yield many other benefits to man he may or may not be aware of. The question becomes whether it is the muscles themselves or the lifestyle pursuing them involves that yields the benefit. Perhaps it’s a pointless query, the end result is the same. But I think this kind of precision can be useful; because pursuit of muscles may not be the only way to gain these things. Then again, if it IS the muscles, then obviously do that. This is why kn…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 04:21 PM
2	Are sexual needs a mutual obligation? Emotional connection is fostered though physical intimacy for many men. Head over to dead bedrooms. See how many men complain about the mere fact of their dick being dry, or whether they lament the loss of feeling connected and intimate in any respect with their wife. Need to move past the whole “sex is just a bang fest” for men ideology. For many men the reason they enjoy having any form of sexual contact with their partner is not just as a trip to O town (we have hands), it’s because it makes …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 04:16 PM
4	Are sexual needs a mutual obligation? Agree. And it’s a stupidly pointless exercise trying to tier it “oh but my love language is proper, and yours isn’t, so you can sort yours by yourself right?” That kind of combative mindset is a death toll for a relationship. Reason is of course needed but if you approach the subject with the whole “it’s not like you’ll die without sex!!” It’s very much a case of that the lack of sex is probably going to do less damage than the flagrant and obvious scornful discarding of your partner trying to e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 04:08 PM
2	Are sexual needs a mutual obligation? I think it’s more helpful to view it more generally as “in a relationship there is an implicit assumption you will try to take the time to work out and attend your partners needs where you can, and they yours.” Be it sex or otherwise. This bizarre notion that “this thing you’re telling me is a need, isn’t important to me in my opinion so I have no obligation to it.” Is a recipe for singledom. It’s all about reasonable compromise and mutually ongoing respect between partners. If you have the mind…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 04:00 PM
2	3 theories of masculinity related attainment/sexual dynamics/perspectives and thought processes Excellent point. The “community” and “having a people” and a hobby is a big part of that. If nothing else it means a guy “has something going on, a trajectory” which is a fairly attractive trait. It also signifies discipline, dedication, ambition and ability to set and stick to goals. You need a very sophisticated study method to isolate whether the advantage of muscular to non muscular men is merely down to the diameter of their biceps. Like many things in dating (where young men seek advice) I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 03:53 PM
1	3 theories of masculinity related attainment/sexual dynamics/perspectives and thought processes I think it’s unnecessarily convoluted. For example, a more worthwhile discussion would be regarding your third theory; is it the addition of muscles to the otherwise “well rounded male” that sees him edge out the competition, or is it that the muscles cause his other attributes to shine further? For example muscular men tend to be more confident, healthy, outgoing, well groomed etc. so is it the fact of the muscles or the other benefits the lifestyle reaps? How would you assess whether that’s th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 03:45 PM
1	3 theories of masculinity related attainment/sexual dynamics/perspectives and thought processes You can’t isolate the other aspects muscle building grants too. So it’s vaunted to study. So studies will go “women tend to select these muscular men more than those who are not.” Okay cool. Are we isolating the fact that muscular men tend to be more confident? Tend to be better groomed and dressed? Tend to be less reclusive owing to their fitness habits? Do we know for sure, the muscles are the most relevant factor here? It’s no secret women need a bit more than a glance to decide whether someo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 03:38 PM
1	3 theories of masculinity related attainment/sexual dynamics/perspectives and thought processes So basically: 1) You build hypertrophic muscles using progressive overload (calling this a theory of yours is a bit laughable given this has been relatively open knowledge within fitness communities for a while now, this isn’t a theory of yours, this is a theory that exists that you agree with) 2) women like big muscles or they like lean muscles…so. Women like muscles. Is that a theory or a statement? Is it even a statement because it seems a bit tentative and about as thought provoking as sayin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 03:08 PM
38	How frequently do you think bears commit sexual violence against people compared to men? Oh yay. Another thought provoking “bear thread”. I’m sure this one will lead to more enlightening discussions than all the others! By the blunt logic employed in the title, I’m all but certain!	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 02:52 PM
2	Dating would be a lot easier if men would NOT settle for women they aren't attracted too This is so bogus OP Every post that doesn’t agree with you is “men lying”. I mean, why the fuck are you in a debate sub for you stance is “I’m right, anyone who agrees with me is wrong, and I’ll cherry pick the responses that agree with me and declare them the true ones ignoring all the rest.” You have got one hell of a chip in your shoulder if that’s your stance. And typically that’s their type? Oh just get out of here with this strange self loathing? You honestly think most men in the world (e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 01:58 PM
1	Dating would be a lot easier if men would NOT settle for women they aren't attracted too Does saying you like apples mean you dislike bananas? If the answer is “no” then why does him saying he finds SS attractive mean he finds his GF unattractive? You girls gotta drop this notion that a relationship is only worth having if a man decides that you, and you alone are his PERFECT and only type of woman he’s attracted to. Now if the guy said “SS is attractive, more attractive than you. If you were more like her…” you’d have a point. Problem is he didn’t say that at all. Him commenting th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 01:52 PM
2	Dating would be a lot easier if men would NOT settle for women they aren't attracted too Speak for yourself. I’d take Halle over SS. SS is very “generic” in her beauty. She’s a good looking gal, don’t get me wrong, but you’re quite right; she’s the “standard” of beauty which to me makes her not terribly distinctive. I’m sure I’m not alone in this. Not saying she’s ugly or mid or claiming anything like that. But she’s not my type. Plenty of other guys will say the same, irrespective of what women try to tell them about our own preferences. It seems a lot of women seem to think they’r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 01:44 PM
2	Who hurt you?? Feminism is a female advocacy movement. For my definition I look at the behaviour of feminists. People running to dictionaries or “what this person says” are coping. Look at what people do. And what I see is feminists advocating for female rights and subsequently ignoring or sometimes downplaying male concerns so I can’t regard them as an equality movement, no matter what the dictionary says or what some feminist tells me “is the real essence of feminism”. If a guy stands in front of me having g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/24 10:07 AM
12	Norway has now its own "Men council" It’s not about interest, it’s about the mere fact of the matter. You acknowledge that men have issues in society and need some representation and address in those issues. So you construct a board, designed to look at this, and have 14 of the 16 members not even be men. How is that going to assist the representation? This would be like having a feminist rally with only male perspectives, or a forum on black issues within a local community with one black person and the rest being white. These wome…	/r/MensRights	02/05/24 08:07 AM
2	The bear in the woods debate is not enlightening and doesn’t do any good but cause stress between men and women. As I made clear in another comment, this “teach them not to” mentality is reserved for men because men who take criminal actions are always seen to be exercising rationality (and all men seem to be judged as if it’s a realistic option they consider by just don’t take). Meanwhile nobody says “teach women not to abuse their kids”. Because we understand people who do that are fucked up and either need psychiatric help or locking up. We don’t view all women with this sceptical lens that they “may ab…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 05:34 PM
3	The bear in the woods debate is not enlightening and doesn’t do any good but cause stress between men and women. I think is where a gendered bias in law is revealed. Theres an implicit assumption men actively choose always to engage in criminal behaviour and are never a “victim of circumstances” where they need intervention beyond “teach them not to” (including jail). Women conversely you rarely see the line peddled out, like for example “teach women not to abuse their children.” (Statistics on this are highest for women after all) rather it’s a “let’s look at the circumstances surrounding the problem and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 02:55 PM
10	Using Irony to Combat Misandry? Drizzle Drizzle the Male Gaze argument? Hear hear. Body dysmorphia is rampant in young boys, from concerns over their height, their weight, muscles, shape of their jaws etc. their hairline. Except we’re not calling it “body issues” or really bringing any sort of attention to it. Because I don’t think the mainstream media (with gynocentric lens) is going to consider it a problem that men shape themselves up like this (despite the costs). It would be like parading around size 0s once more with gigantic boobs etc and then going “why’s it…	/r/MensRights	01/05/24 12:48 PM
6	The bear in the woods debate is not enlightening and doesn’t do any good but cause stress between men and women. You don’t do anything. The message doesn’t apply to the men who already don’t do this shit anyway. You can’t “not be a sexual deviant” any more than you already aren’t. You just have to accept the collateral because generalising a group according to a minority when that group is men is apparently fine. The guys who do this, who need to change, won’t. Why? Because if you’re the kind of guy who does this, you clearly don’t give a fuck what other people think in the first place. Feminists crafting …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 12:15 PM
3	Dating app Bumble will no longer require women to make the first move Pretty much this. Cue all of the feminists who believe in gender equality and abolition of gender roles but “have a preference” that their guy behaves in way totally consistent with stereotypical male gender roles which just so happen to be to her benefit. It’s bullshit. You cannot say you actually stand for something and then say “but given the choice I prefer to do the opposite, but trust me bro I stand for the principle!” That’s like me going “I stand for gay rights” and then my preference is…	/r/MensRights	01/05/24 08:45 AM
6	Why are there less men in Nursing, or teaching in primary school? Speaking from UK experience the jobs are a lot of work (particularly administration) and pay very little given how much time it takes to be properly qualified and vetted. Given there’s a social pressure to provide and be financially capable, many just opt for a shorter schooling route through trades or engineering where they’re earning more when the teacher/nurse is likely still in their training/probation period. And even when the teacher or nurse is qualified fully the trade individual is stil…	/r/MensRights	01/05/24 06:55 AM
26	Dating app Bumble will no longer require women to make the first move I think the fundemental issue is just assuming “if you say the rules are different, people will behave different”. You can’t just expect people to go against social conventions because you say “lol try differently”. So even ignoring the inherently sexist part, it’s just a bad premise.	/r/MensRights	30/04/24 04:50 PM
1	Killing “it” or killing “us”? B but this isn’t as simple as “situation B is always a fail because the mother does a shit job”. Sometimes yes, but sometimes it’s that she’s doing the best she can with a shit situation which just puts raising kids on the back foot. Single father households tend to have the kids residing with the primary earner so there’s rarely any difficulty with the family accessing resources or money. In single mother households often the mom is not the primary earner and it’s not the case that every single…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 03:10 PM
95	Dating app Bumble will no longer require women to make the first move I don’t think the notion of “only women can message first” is bad on paper. Just hopelessly naive. The cafe thing? Absolutely bad on paper but I suspect the room devising the idea was full of talking heads who assume the whole local area they live in shares their specific ideas and they didn’t actually bother to check whether local people in the area would make the idea marketable. So it was probably “Omg yass what could go wrong?”	/r/MensRights	30/04/24 03:06 PM
1	Would you be comfortable dating a woman significantly smarter than you? Not a problem at all in a vacuum. Like all traits (like humour, work ethic) it depends how she manifests it. Intelligence in itself is great. Intelligence plus other negative traits tends to amplify those traits. I’m used to working in academic environments so I’m comfy with the idea but one thing I cannot stand is academic snobbery and that sort of thing. So any semblance of that, or attempts to “joust or dick measure” with it and I’d be out. But teaching me things, explaining things and helpin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 03:02 PM
321	Dating app Bumble will no longer require women to make the first move Probably because without this option their numbers go down because I imagine despite giving women the driving seat, many still avoid approaching dating in this way because it’s just easier to let them come to you. One of those “sounds great on paper” but the brains behind it just haven’t actually considered this thing called “how reality works”. Kinda like that cafe that tried to charge men a premium because of “patriarchy” and maintained it would be fine because women would patronise it. Turns …	/r/MensRights	30/04/24 02:49 PM
316	Dating app Bumble will no longer require women to make the first move This. Don’t most women open on it with “hi” and then expect some kind of substantial reply? So basically it just adds a pointless fluff onto what is otherwise the norm of how dating interactions work.	/r/MensRights	30/04/24 02:45 PM
1	Q4M: When you say “women are wonderful” effect, can you provide some examples of why, how, and what is causing that effect? Why? A long tradition of socialised gynocentricism. What? Take a trip over to relationship advice. Plenty of examples of threads where a woman and a man are having issues (such as a massive imbalance in household responsibilities with him picking it up) and you will absolutely in all cases find comments in the thread that question her welfare, ask the consideration of whether she’s depressed, sick or otherwise “not coping” basically, her lack of ideal behaviour will be sought to be excused in so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 01:31 PM
3	The UK Parliament has launched an inquiry into Outcomes for Boys. The Deadline is May 17th. I have made a post in men’s lib with the link. It isn’t showing yet but hopefully it will in time. I don’t frequent there much any more but I remember joining a while ago, turns out that was useful!	/r/MensRights	30/04/24 12:08 PM
1	Q 4 Both - How important are things like clothes and body language to your attraction? I think you can summarise what you’re separating into separate things as a singular concept: class. I don’t mean like social class. But the combination of how one dresses, carries themselves and acts, manners, affords them “class” in the consideration of them having some kind of social elegance or suave. I don’t think everyone is swayed by it strongly and it’s a fairly old fashioned idea. I think what remnants of it remain in force are more strongly in place for women than men (by this I mean me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:44 PM
–	Your "league" is who will commit to you, not who would hit it Trophy wife is different. A trophy wife is a wife you know other men find attractive on principle. Their personal acquaintance with her isn’t relevant. With women it seems to be her girlfriends need to “approve of you” on a personal level which is unrelated to whether they find you attractive or not much of the time, and more to do with you as an individual. I do think men do sometimes crowdsource the “lads approval” with prospective dates but it’s more to show off or get a second opinion. It’s …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 01:21 PM
–	Your "league" is who will commit to you, not who would hit it Yeah but then they mentioned the recent 9/10. I think the point is an “objective measurement system” is pretty bloody worthless if it keeps changing all the time and is determined by things which aren’t objective (like the people you encounter). You’d be spending all your time trying to calculate where you are (and updating it every time it changes) that are you really going to stand to benefit from it at all? And one can argue it’s pointless. Let’s say a dude dates a 6, a 9, a 9, a 5, a 6. Righ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 01:16 PM
–	Why do some women seem to refuse facts to remain miserable? I think it’s partly deflection Anorexia is a first and foremost a mental disorder. So the cognitive processes of an Anorexic person are usually illogical. This means they can’t currently justify their behaviour. So what some people will do is create a “plausible sounding justification” as it “enables” their delusional thinking and makes it seem logical, reinforcing their cognitive loop. For some of these women, it is convincing themselves they “need” to be 5% to be found attractive by men. In re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 01:08 PM
–	Why is misogyny increasing on social media? Are you not going to engage with my other articulated points or just parrot a low aiming talking point? Question: do you think maths exams are simply a set of numerical questions like “what’s the answer to this equation?” That requires no assessment of individual reasoning or selection at all? I ask because I actually work in education, and I actually look over mathematics papers 16-18 years olds take in my country every single year, and there are several questions in every exam that do not have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 12:28 PM
–	Why is misogyny increasing on social media? The subject matter not being subjective doesn’t mean it cannot be marked subjectively, what are you talking about? Simple awareness of the demographic of the student can cause the marker to apply variances in perceptions of “how close an answer was to be considered correct” which result in gaps. I’m not saying this must be the reason, I’m saying that it’s awfully funny when you blind mark these subjects these biases disappear, and when you don’t, there they are. Similar observations are found wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 12:21 PM
6	Why is misogyny increasing on social media? Explaining the education gap by “effort” is such reductive and lazy argumentation. Seriously. 30 years men have been behind women in education. Not just higher education, general as well. Your argument is “men aren’t putting in effort”, do you have any proof? Here’s something to think about; during covid in the UK, there was a brief period during the lockdown where exams and assessments were treated blindly because traditional examination was suspended. Student names and demographics were comple…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/04/24 08:10 AM
–	Is this just them being too sensitive? I mean, I wouldn’t generalise your experiences as “maybe just men” I’m pretty sure most women here would argue that you being somewhat cordial with them, then acknowledging them as they call for you, to find you wave at them, then turn around (or whatever) as you leave the door locked is rude behaviour. Also, just upping a conversation with “bye” at least observes the basic formalities of conversation, even if it’s shrift. In your OP you acknowledge someone calling at your door but then ignore t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/24 10:52 PM
–	Is this just them being too sensitive? Are you surprised? The guy was interested, sure. He didn’t do anything creepy imo. At any point you could have used direct words to shut him down, but for whatever reason you didn’t. Instead, when he came to see you, you acknowledged him with a wave but left him at the door, locked out which means that he knows you know he was there, and that you’re consciously leaving him at the door. And then you’re surprised when he won’t wave at you? Or say hi? Maybe it’s because your behaviour was rude as f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/24 10:39 PM
–	Do most men want kids enough to do 50/50 childrearing? I got this. I also think people overlook this “gamble” too much for women and conflate a woman’s growing attachment to her baby in the womb with her “going to be an amazing mom” when there’s no correlation. It seems unfair to be to interpret the man’s lack of that (due to lack of pregnancy) with him being a “parental risk” whereas the mother is not. A woman enjoying pregnancy has no indication of whether she’ll be a good mom. I love my wife to the earth and back, but if you asked her she would a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/24 12:30 PM
31	Alarming rate of teachers charged with raping young boys in America I noticed that as well. “Whilst we’re here, let’s remind you men are more evil!” “Also: men do this because evil. Women do this because their partner doesn’t treat them right or they lonely :( “ Such enraging bullshit.	/r/MensRights	24/04/24 11:15 AM
3	Why its important for men to have female friends I understand that. My point is it’s rather shakey advice to give men that “having female friends can only raise your value in the eyes of women” because it’s clearly not true. Whether those women have deep seated issues or not is irrelevant to that point. It’s a common enough stance that it needs to be factored in. And these women may hypothetically be otherwise fantastic partners to that man, save for their “issue female friends”, so it’s difficult to say whether he’s “dodging bullets” in havin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/24 09:45 AM
7	People in PPD, what would you like to change with regards to modern dating and relationships? That final perception changing would massively shake things up. People see the consistency and comfortability of sustained relationships as boring. They associate most of the positive aspects of being with someone with the unknown elements (tingleland) and overlook the ones that emerge when you swap that “I don’t know you but I really like you” with a “I know you. I see you. I love you”. Because they associate the frantic energy and enthusiasm of the prior stage with genuine feelings, rather tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/24 09:05 AM
8	Why its important for men to have female friends Plenty of women consider a man with many female friends a “red flag”. Take a stroll over to relationship advice. Lots of examples of women who “have a problem” because their BF is good friends with a woman. They certainly don’t seem to see it as a benefit. Granted, not universal, but enough for us to dismiss the idea that having female friends will always make a man seem desirable. Plenty of women specifically avoid men like this because they just assume he is fucking/has fucked some of them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/24 08:33 AM
17	Why its important for men to have female friends Hmmm. I do agree there is value to having female friends as a man, but only in the same way as it is to have male friends as a man. Having friends is good. I do think the OP is making some rather generalised assumptions here. 1) Not only women present you with the opportunity to learn about different perspectives and experiences. Men are not a monolith. You also need to consider that women will necessarily be excluded from identification with shared gendered experiences which can be an important…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/24 08:22 AM
8	I'm single because "they're all just intimidated" The “I’m nice and they don’t like nice” and “I’m too successful and they’re intimidated” are just two sides of the same coin.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 09:40 PM
2	I'm single because "they're all just intimidated" I don’t actually disagree with much of what you’ve said at all. I was offering some possible explanations. I did not say they were the only ones, nor that there may not be others. And as to the casual thing. Are you denying that men as a gender seem more able to deal with casual relationships with women? That’s what I’m alluding to. Granted my phrasing was clumsy in that regard. How many “situationship caught feelings” posts do you see from the perspective of a male catching feelings? I made no …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 07:58 PM
5	I'm single because "they're all just intimidated" I think it’s mainly chronically online men who do that. Most guys just stick to “she’s not my type” which can imply many things but is basically a short casual version of “I don’t think we’re compatible for one or more reasons.” Contrary to what PPD might give the impression of, most men aren’t walking around with this idea the vast majority of women are 304s slobbering after Chad and only settling for “normies” to extract his betabux.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 06:25 PM
1	Question about the man vs bear debate. I think a lot of people do, but it’s very interesting that many countries when they compile statistics on rape actually exclude it from figures altogether and just consider it a form of nondescript sexual assault in the same category like groping someone. I think perceptions of rape within and from both genders fuels a lot of the problems tracking it. It’s very inconsistent. Especially across gender lines. Some countries (like my own UK) don’t even legally recognise the capacity for men to be ra…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 05:41 PM
1	Question about the man vs bear debate. I do think stuff like that comes into it. This whole notion actually applies both gender sides of the discussion. For example many people do not consider “forced to penetrate” as rape (many countries included). I’d consider it rape. So it wouldn’t surprise me that there are men who are like “I’m not a rapist???” When their behaviour could qualify.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 05:34 PM
2	Question about the man vs bear debate. Thanks for the link	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 03:45 PM
3	Question about the man vs bear debate. Which studies? Be interested in reading them. When I’ve searched the topic it comes up with (specifically rape) about 2.4% of men declared forcing a partner into sex and interestingly 1.8% of women declared the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 03:34 PM
20	I'm single because "they're all just intimidated" Various reasons Men aren’t scrutinised for rejecting partners because often they don’t reject partners compared to how much women reject partners. This is a side effect of being the instigator. women still suffer from a higher degree of “aren’t you settled down yet?” Than men, so men don’t tend to need to defend their single status or justify it. men tend to be more comfortable with maintaining strings of casual relationships rather than serious relationships (especially if successful) so they d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 03:19 PM
6	Question about the man vs bear debate. Where’s the “one in 20 men are rapists” figure coming from?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 03:04 PM
90	I'm single because "they're all just intimidated" A woman. Men don’t tend to defend their being single like this. And whilst I maintain it’s possible, i don’t think I’ve personally ever heard a man say that women reject him because they’re intimidated by his success and education. I don’t think I’ve ever heard a woman say they find these things intimidating either. A man’s work and education might leave him too little time to be available to the woman for a relationship that meets her needs, sure, but “intimidated by it”? Nah. It’s a pretty ste…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 02:57 PM
–	Why is it unreasonable for a woman to want a man who earns the same salary as her or more? Not what I said at all. Prepared for good faith discussion or nah?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 02:31 PM
–	Why is it unreasonable for a woman to want a man who earns the same salary as her or more? They care about how money is used, not the money itself. Theres a difference. Ask men here in another thread “is it important that your girlfriend or partner earns enough money so they can afford to use a % portion of her wages to buy you gifts and things you like whilst sustaining financial responsibility .” And see what answers you get. My prediction is most will say “it’s not important at all. But if she wants to, that’s cool.”	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 01:58 PM
–	Why is it unreasonable for a woman to want a man who earns the same salary as her or more? Didn’t most of the men in that thread specifically say they objected because a partner taking a “once in a lifetime trip” or who was prone to going on holidays without them just seemed bad from a compatibility point of view? I don’t recall many comments having a problem with the money angle of it. More so the fact that it is presented as “here’s this thing I want to do; I’m not prepared to extend you an invite unless you can fund your own, you can’t, so I’m going without you.” (Because you speci…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 01:52 PM
–	Why is it unreasonable for a woman to want a man who earns the same salary as her or more? None of which requires a woman to have those things herself? Are we going to ignore the generations of accomplished and educated people raised principally by their mothers who were homemakers but whilst being homemakers made sure to teach their children how important getting an education is and to prioritise it within the family. I have a degree and a phd. My older sibling has a degree. My younger sibling has only tiertery education. Our mother only finished secondary education. Her lack of educ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 01:40 PM
–	Why is it unreasonable for a woman to want a man who earns the same salary as her or more? Many reasons. Some men genuinely find it difficult and are lazy. Also there is big social stigma for men doing it. Men who actively wish to forgo work or do reduced work to be the main caregiver are largely seen as lazy bums, particularly by older generations. And even when they do do it, their efforts seem to be viewed as half assed. I was (and still am) the primary caregiver for my kids. I work now, but my hours are reduced so I can pick them up, drop off, help with homework, take to after sch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 12:51 PM
29	Woman, 39, who glassed a male pub drinker after he wrongly guessed she was 43 during light-hearted exchange is spared jail by female judge. Hardly. The relevance of a man being a good father to his kids seems to serve as little defence when considering the character of him having beat someone to a pulp. In many cases it is used as a reasoning as to why him being jailed away from them is no major loss. Plenty of prolific criminals and gangsters etc were marvellous fathers to their children and it served as no mitigation whatsoever in their sentencing. Two babysitters turn up to interview to look after your kids. One is squeaky clean …	/r/MensRights	22/04/24 03:59 PM
5	Why is a it a problem when Men know their worth? Men that have standards know their worth. Men that know their worth have an idea they are valuable. Men that feel they are valuable feel capable. Capable men can feel powerful. Powerful men in enough numbers can collectively bargain (or enforce) their interests against those with differing views. Every violent revolution in history that saw the overturn of some regime or political body, was almost, if not entirely, men. Men who saw themselves as powerful and capable and no longer feared the ones…	/r/MensRights	22/04/24 01:12 PM
52	Woman, 39, who glassed a male pub drinker after he wrongly guessed she was 43 during light-hearted exchange is spared jail by female judge. It appears to be one of the factors. I wonder however if a single father who committed a similar offence would be granted the “no separation from child” defence. It seems male criminality is seen as a reason to keep him away from his kids. But with women it seems like their kids are a reason to overlook their criminality.	/r/MensRights	22/04/24 01:09 PM
393	Woman, 39, who glassed a male pub drinker after he wrongly guessed she was 43 during light-hearted exchange is spared jail by female judge. The judge “Drinking is no excuse for this behaviour” Also the judge: “You surely would not have done this if you had not been drinking.” Please choose a lane for gods sake. Drinking is usually regarded as an aggravating factor in these cases, not mitigating. Also she threatened the guy and then approached him later and acted in her threat. This means her attack was premeditated. So I don’t understand how the judge can make comments like “you’re no threat to the public” ….she just glassed a guy t…	/r/MensRights	22/04/24 11:58 AM
36	Woman, 39, who glassed a male pub drinker after he wrongly guessed she was 43 during light-hearted exchange is spared jail by female judge. Suspended. She spends no time inside. The maximum penalty for this offence was 3 years and she was charged with 12 months suspended (which means she is not in jail but may be placed in jail if she violates certain terms).	/r/MensRights	22/04/24 11:56 AM
2	Has any guy here, who considers themselves working class, found a partner that is middle class? This question needs to take into account geography and varied socialisations. In my context (UK) Nurse would be on the upper end of working class/tiptoeing into the aspiring middle class. It doesn’t pay that well over here, nowhere close to six figures. A lot of people growing up in traditionally working class households with have at least one or more women in the family who were a nurse. It’s only recently that nursing required a slew of qualifications to practice, prior to that it didn’t need …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/24 10:27 AM
–	"love yourself before anyone can love you" etc. is ultimately insinuating people with serious problems should be alone and it's wrong for them to date The schizophrenic can manage their symptoms with medication and treatment in many cases. Them doing that and sticking to it is what people mean when they say “gotta love yourself first”. They don’t mean give yourself a hug and a high five. It’s a generic term to mean “take what steps you can to look after yourself as much as is available to you.”. In the case of the Schizophrenic if their condition is manageable by medication, then their version of “loving themselves” is making sure they stick t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/24 10:11 AM
–	"love yourself before anyone can love you" etc. is ultimately insinuating people with serious problems should be alone and it's wrong for them to date No. Nobody is “deserving” of anything like that in this life. This isn’t a charity food drive where everyone books a ticket. Relationships are the result of choices of individuals. There is no question of “what people deserve”. They make these decisions based on their own interests and desires. And it shouldn’t come as a surprise that most people do not desire a life with a partner who has persistent mental problems which may also in turn cause them issues, and cause a relationship with various …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/24 09:55 AM
25	The “I’d rather be in the woods with a bear than a man” things it’s utterly ridiculous. Statistically most humans don’t encounter bears, hence the statistics. If humans encountered as many bears as they did humans every day do you still think more humans would be killed by humans than bears? So like, in your day to day operation, you encounter between 5-50 bears every single day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 12:13 PM
4	4b movement isn’t so bad And that has everything to do with the costs of living in Korea than some “movement”. The fall in births etc is to do with the fact costs of living in Korea are exceptionally high, as is costs of education and the social expectation to have a certain level of education to even unlock prosperous jobs. Western white feminists look at the 4B movement and use it to co opt their talking points. In classical white feminist style they completely fail to take into account the actual experiences and pers…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/24 10:41 AM
1	Would you trade your inherent male strength in order to be considered as non-threatening as a woman? Read “Gender Motivation and the Accomplishments of Street Robbery” both the UK and US versions. Actual studies involving actual criminals and when it came to male criminals, there was a distinctive “I avoid targeting women and old ladies because it isn’t right” angle in their accounts that was absent from the female criminals. So whilst some of it is down to avoidance, yeah, there is statistical evidence to suggest that when it comes to crimes outside of sexual assault, that may involve a risk o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/24 10:25 AM
6	Young women are not conflating their RMV with their SMV What’s to be confused about? The guy said “we’re friends with benefits”. That’s what matters. That the woman “sees into his actions” as belying his words is bullshit. He made his stance quite clear - sex only. No romantic relationship. This is like a woman saying “I don’t want to have sex with you.” And a man goes “well you behaved like X and Y so I’m going to act like you do want to have sex with me.” No. You can’t just dismiss what people say they want (or don’t want from you) because you thin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/24 09:48 AM
11	Idk if this is the right place to put this so if it’s not I apologize but this recent thing with “would you rather be in the woods with a man or bear?”is near sickening to me Yes? Progressive leftist women view men as reductive animals who are sexual deviants. Right wing trad women view men as reductive “human doings” rather than beings, only useful in so much as he enables whatever lifestyle she aspires to and consistently behaves in accordance with his “real man” tick box. The average feminist is a chimera combining the first whilst enjoying the subtle societal forces that encourage men to behave along the lines of the second, and claiming it’s “just a preference. …	/r/MensRights	18/04/24 07:53 AM
5	Men seem to need a place to be themselves, away from women Every couple of months, this is why me and my brother get together for a weekend. Just us. No partners or kids. Just focused on peace, the outdoors and the ability to have a conversation about our lives and thoughts without a need to censor. We both look forward to it hugely whenever it comes around as we’re both not only full time workers, but also the primary caregiver/domestic manager in our respective homes. It’s just nice to not have to micromanage everyone after a day of work you know? Jus…	/r/MensRights	17/04/24 08:50 AM
2	Re : Can someone explain why women are seen as the romantic gender ( taken down because of the wrong flair) It’s also a bit wild because women here will claim that they absolutely aren’t repulsed by sex, enjoy it, and are sexual beings (albeit more responsively than immediately) and so on, challenging the claim. But several replies here just absolutely shut down and don’t even bother to comprehend the idea of men then being more in tune with emotional stuff like romance than sex all the time. Very much a “women have evolved beyond their original station, but men aren’t capable of doing that.” I think …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 03:22 PM
0	Re : Can someone explain why women are seen as the romantic gender ( taken down because of the wrong flair) The problem is however the term is used loosely. I agree with your description in terms of describing yourself as romantic because you expect/desire romance. Problems arise though when women say they want a “romantic partner” because by that they don’t mean a man who desires or expects romance in the same way they do. They mean a man who will provide that for them. So despite the fact we can describe a man and a woman as “romantic” it seems the definition shifts, but the definition is in itself …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/24 03:09 PM
7	Women rush to defend female family annihilator in comments on Instagram post about recent mrder-sucide incident Less than 2% for PP Psychosis and about 1 in 10 for PP Depression, yet whenever a woman doesn’t excel with her children or makes bad decisions due to the (expected) stresses of family life amazingly one of these two is always brought up as a mitigation. It’s like people cannot comprehend the idea that some women are bad mothers. All women are excellent mothers and the ones that fall short must have some kind of mental health issue getting in the way. Meanwhile bad fathers can be attributed to th…	/r/MensRights	14/04/24 06:50 AM
7	Women rush to defend female family annihilator in comments on Instagram post about recent mrder-sucide incident This also ignores the fact that many pedophiles do experience sexual abuse at a young age. So they do actually fall into the group that is sought for women. But it doesn’t matter. In their cases at least.	/r/MensRights	14/04/24 06:44 AM
6	Why do feminists degrade desired women? It’s literally the otherwise side of the terminally online incel coin. They claim that men want all these traits because of “insert dysfunctional trait men are claimed to have here”. Incels in the group I’m talking about claim that women are only into men for mostly dysfunctional shallow reasons as well and whenever it appears they’re into a guy who deviates from this, they fall back on the “well he’s just a beta and she will leave him when Chad shows up.” The problem with both groups is they pr…	/r/MensRights	14/04/24 06:34 AM
6	Here you go - perfect example of how you can be perfect in every category but if you don’t have that “asshole” factor they will lose interest quickly I was going to say, head over to relationship advice, there’s plenty of examples of men (and women) who describe the absolute dilemma of being in a relationship that apparently satisfies them completely, but they’re thinking of breaking up with their partner because “they think they should be sleeping with other people”. This isn’t restricted to women at all. Some of these guys literally are saying how they’ve managed to get with a girl who is into doing the long haul thing in their 20s, she’s l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/24 07:59 AM
8	Q4M: Could you be with a woman who doesn't make you laugh? Dealbreaker. I need someone with a sense of humour which my own can bounce off. It’s one of the reasons me and my wife get along so well despite being quite different from each other in many ways; we have a very similar sense of humour and amazing chemistry revealed through it. We regularly engage in little banter exchanges or “skits” and there’s a lot of genuine laughter in our house. I think it’s important for kids to be raised around such joy. God forbid things were ever to end with her, but …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/24 07:36 AM
2	Q4M: Could you be with a woman who doesn't make you laugh? Nobody said the things you’re saying though. You’re projecting big time. Nobody has said they need a partner to be a dancing clown or whatever. You merely equated “a partner who can make me laugh” with that and ran with it to demonise the trait. This is like saying that a man asking for a woman “who listens to him” is asking for a woman who is expected to be available for him any time he calls her so he can rant at her about whatever no matter what she has going on. Obviously that is not what pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/24 07:31 AM
5	What percentage of female posters here are trolls? Nobody claimed it was? We’re saying the data gathered in that study gives us a probable approximation of the data we haven’t gathered due to the law of averages. Nobody is claiming sampling 58,000 men allows to us to know with certainty the lengths of all men, but rather approximate with great accuracy what their data would be. That’s what statistics are for. Because humans don’t have the time to survey and discover with certainty all facts for all things. And so far, our statistical method has …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 03:07 PM
1	What percentage of female posters here are trolls? You measure from the base of the shaft from the public bone to the tip of the head when erect. You discount for the curve factor by measuring when stretched as well (which the study did) but your penile length is somewhere between the unstressed length and the stretched length (because your penis is obviously not always stretched to maximum tension). Many guys who self report measure their penis from the base of the shaft on the opposite side where the shaft meets the scrotum, which adds extra l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 02:42 PM
3	What percentage of female posters here are trolls? Link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32666897/ Abstract Most men believe that the average length of an erect penis is greater than 6 inches (15.24 cm). This belief is due, in part, to several often-cited studies that relied on self-reported measurements, with means of about 6.2 inches (15.75 cm) for heterosexual men and even greater for gay men. These studies suffered from both volunteer bias and social desirability bias. In this review, the combined mean for 10 studies in which researchers too…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 02:38 PM
7	What percentage of female posters here are trolls? You clearly don’t understand how diminishing returns work in statistical theory. When it comes to sampling a group of people, it is the absolute size of the sample that matters not the % size relative to the targeted demographic. Beyond a certain point of sample size, the returns of probabilistic accuracy begin to diminish which means no new patterns are observed, rather you just collectively refine the trend which is already apparent and “smooth it out”. 58k is significantly above the number co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 01:39 PM
6	What percentage of female posters here are trolls? All of this argument applies to your own position where you maintained that you thought your opinion was more likely to be accurate than the study. In the original post you didn't claim that "you didn't know the average" you were claiming that the size you preferred was what you believed the average to be. That's a truth claim. By your own logic here, you should have dismissed your own opinion as nonsense. Your sample size of whatever is even LESS representative than the 58k in every respect. So…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 01:24 PM
1	Women on this sub apply the just world fallacy far too often when it comes to sex Could be a generational thing but in my life from when most people around me (and me) were becoming sexually active and seeking partners until now, i've known probably 200 women at various points where i'm familiar with them to a level to have some idea of their dating habits and status, and I'd say there's maybe two I can think of who I would describe as "actively pursuing problematic men and rejecting kind ones" whilst the rest were seeking good men and simply failing to find them and "picking…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 01:05 PM
10	What percentage of female posters here are trolls? There's no point in the discipline of statistics at all if you're going to discount a sample of 58k as being too small. 58k is perfectly acceptable for a wide-ranging demographic slice of a population when it comes to statistical probability. Not just because they say so - because they've calculated it to be so. Any "outliers" and their impact would be captured within such a sample size and represented properly against their general representation in the population due to sampling methods. You m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 12:57 PM
0	Can men's rights come from the left? Oh yes, i'm not suggesting that Europe doesn't have problems with viewing it. We don't practice it largely out of tradition and a bit of medical influence, but not because we consider it morally reprehensible in the same way female circumcision is viewed as being. This is totally outrageous. It's just a saving grace that we don't practice it, even if the reasons we don't do it aren't really the ideal reasons for not doing it if that makes sense.	/r/MensRights	12/04/24 12:19 PM
19	What percentage of female posters here are trolls? I don’t think this is gendered. This is labelled a debate sub but a lot of posters, male and female, come in here and just don’t seem interested in any challenge or humour it. They just cling to their ideology and when pressed retreat back into some ideaological principle you can’t disprove or prove “so they’re right”. Whether that principle is AF/BB or “the patriarchy” varies. You can throw data at them and they either just stop responding or they just ignore it because they disagree. I’m remin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 12:10 PM
2	Women on this sub apply the just world fallacy far too often when it comes to sex I think the caveat "for women you'd want to pursue something with" needs to be added. I totally agree with your comment, but there certainly do exist women who will pick a toxic guy over a normal, kind guy simply because of drama or some other reason. Not a lot of women, but some. But the point is moot because why would a guy want to be with the kind of woman who actively seeks out toxic traits, as if her rejecting him is him missing some treasure? I'd call it dodging a bullet. But these women a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 11:12 AM
4	Can men's rights come from the left? The right is about personal responsibility for men. It does not extend this view to women in a general sense and never has because it clings to traditional perspectives which places women in the "in need of protection" category which absolves them of responsibility comparatively to men. Many of the notions tied to reduced criminal responsibility in women (and thus diminished sentencing) have their original sentiments expressed in right-wing thinking, which has additionally been co-opted by ele…	/r/MensRights	12/04/24 10:42 AM
8	Can men's rights come from the left? The term varies, I call them "classical liberals" or "old school left". I agree many of them are involved in MRAs and a lot of MRA in infancy was tied to employment rights, which such types devised within their unions. I see these types as more compatible with MRA than the modern right, who still insist on many "tradcon" values to appease parts of their voting base, and these values fly against men's rights in many respects. The draft, the idea men "should provision for women", encouraging busin…	/r/MensRights	12/04/24 10:20 AM
5	Women on this sub apply the just world fallacy far too often when it comes to sex Surely the just world fallacy is assuming that “nice guys” should get sex as well? It goes in both directions. If you complain about bad boys getting tail, then you’re just wishing for a just world instead of behaving like once already exists. I think the error is assuming that women are attracted to the “bad” of the bad boy. They’re not. But bad boys often take risks, approach, are confident, assertive and embody many of the traits that are romanticised within masculinity itself. The only cavea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/24 09:36 AM
4	Would you rather be stuck with a man or a bear? I think the problem is that chances are a bear in the wild (if hungry or threatened) is going to attack you. No ifs and buts. Despite what feminists claim, the majority of men are NOT rapists or sexual deviants. Your take only makes sense if the question is “would you rather be stuck in the woods with a bear or a rapist?” That’s not the question. But it’s interesting how the question is interpreted as if saying “man” and “rapist” is the same thing isn’t it? What kind of position have we reached …	/r/MensRights	12/04/24 09:20 AM
0	Can men's rights come from the left? What you claim about the WHO and circumcision simply isn’t true though. WHOs stance on Circumcision is it should only be taken as a voluntary action in order to reduce transmissions of sexually transmitted diseases (specifically HIV transmission in heterosexual couples), otherwise they do not recommend it for any particular action. So quite how the stance of “anti circumcision is anti science” is boggling to me. The widespread circumcision of boys is specifically a religious and also a culturall…	/r/MensRights	12/04/24 07:55 AM
8	"Autistic women are less likely to be single because they're better at masking" No, it's because gender roles expect men to be far more socially adept in dating I do think masking is a thing but I agree with you on that I think people confuse masking with what I’d call “performative socionormativity” basically, when we “perform or present” a certain way because we’re aware of the social situation at hand and it shapes a behaviour performed into a particular form of that behaviour which is most appropriate to the social situation. Good examples of this behaviour would be adapting language use when in certain groups, talking about particular topics when w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/24 12:26 PM
9	"Autistic women are less likely to be single because they're better at masking" No, it's because gender roles expect men to be far more socially adept in dating This is a good post. I like the part about considering how treating a child known to be autistic affects them versus how a child is treated where their autism isn’t discovered until later. It’s definitely worth considering. I think the diagnostic angle is important too. Typically boys tend to be medically diagnosed with autism more than girls. With the more recent increasing amounts of girl autistics out there, a chunk of them are within the “self diagnosed” camp where they’ve come to the conclu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/24 11:41 AM
1	Influx of women posting here Not at all. As the final part of my comment suggested, I believe the solutions require a societally aimed approaches from men which encompass a preparation to reject firmly rooted ideas and approaches that have been par the course for generations , and I don’t think currently there is motivation for men to adopt that mindset. Men’s spaces still promote ridiculously individualistic thinking in the whole; viewing other men as competition and potential enemies. So long as that is the case, these me…	/r/MensRights	11/04/24 10:57 AM
1	Dating as an autistic man I think before focusing on accommodating your autism you need to address your last paragraph. Autistic or not, most women will categorically not go for a guy who seems to have “nothing going on” with his life beyond his desire to be someone’s partner. Some would see it as a red flag “why doesn’t this guy have friends? Hobbies? What’s up with that?” Others would interpret it as you very likely being intensely needy which most women won’t be cool with (whether that’s true or not). The one mitigati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/24 07:05 AM
5	The unavoidable unpopularity of men and boys advocacy I think with circumcision it’s probably more to do with the links to skincare and the aesthetics than anything else as the real reasons. Of course the whole “hygiene” thing is touted as the real reason, as if having a foreskin means a man becomes unable to understand how to wash his junk. It’s stupid however it’s reasoned.	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 06:20 PM
1	Influx of women posting here There’s a world of difference between pedestalising and emotional isolation, let’s not act like there isn’t. And it is the way society is. Once upon a time society said it was permissible to own people with dark skin, and that 95% of men couldn’t vote. Let’s not treat society as some kind of unchanging natural artefact. We cannot simultaneously wring our hands at how women have managed to move the wheels of society so far in their favour whilst remaining ignorant to the many things men do which …	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 05:13 PM
9	The unavoidable unpopularity of men and boys advocacy The feminist strategy is the “boys can talk” movement in psychology and counselling. I’m sure we’re all somewhat aware of the study of male suicide by Manchester university that found that 90% of men who completed were engaged with talking services prior. Their stance is “well it works for women, so it should for men, and if it doesn’t, that’s a problem with men.”	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 04:57 PM
17	The unavoidable unpopularity of men and boys advocacy It’s also because many acclaimed progressives view rights activism as zero sum. If we’re talking about men, we’re talking away from women. Logically it doesn’t work, but it doesn’t stop people behaving like that is the case 4th wave intersectional feminism apparently has all the time and resources in the world to talk about all manner of things beyond women, but where they step into men’s spaces, they sure love to make sure we acknowledge women’s issues and their severity first because if we don…	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 03:35 PM
5	The unavoidable unpopularity of men and boys advocacy I’m not on Instagram but would follow you if I were. Reddit is pretty much the only social media I use. I make no secret of my views in the real world though. I work in education and deliver in psyche, so I think it’s really important to present these things clearly and make it clear how a big part of the problem is people in similar positions to me simply don’t care to really speak about the issues, rather than them not existing. Did a F2F interview with a journalist writing a piece on male adv…	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 03:30 PM
5	Influx of women posting here In addition with there being: multiple scientific consensus’ that there are no hygiene benefits to doing so, nor health. the only consistent angle of argument being “religion” (which also tends to place women in roles they dislike) Beyond this, what? That women “like how it looks” better? Can you IMAGINE if this argument was used in reverse? “Mutilate little girls because men find the subsequent look preferable.” It’s bonkers. I even find the notion of women who “prefer circumcised men” who aren…	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 12:25 PM
2	Influx of women posting here In agreement. Sorry if it appeared I was arguing with you.	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 10:39 AM
2	Influx of women posting here I can see value in that, but conversely I do also think too much of MRA is fixated on women and “enemies”. Circumcision, male suicide and health, mental health. These topics don’t need to include consideration of women or “an enemy” at all. Women may come up, sure, but I’d argue only as a possible additional factor and certainly not a central axis. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, a major stumbling block to men having similar emancipation for their rights and freedoms and their issues ta…	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 10:23 AM
5	how is punching a woman justified when men are usually physically stronger? All semblance of decency and decorum erodes at the first violation. In civilised society, the understanding is people don’t hit people. When that facade falls, ie a woman attacks a man, she has made it clear that the decorum is not her concern, she violated it. Why then, should the man operate according to it in response? She signalled “the rules are off” with her instigating. The only way you can argue otherwise if we hold women to lower standards than men, which sounds a lot like an infantilis…	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 10:03 AM
3	Influx of women posting here That’s a fair and sensible stance. These people usually out themselves pretty quickly.	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 09:36 AM
20	Influx of women posting here This isn’t a gender dynamics forum, this is a MRA forum. You frustrate the point of an activism group if you constantly have to police your own discussions out of concern for people who oppose the positions you’re arguing. The whole point of such groups is to have a space free from that sort of thing and then you handle that when it comes to actual debate spaces. When we are discussing male suicide or male sexual assault, we shouldn’t have to stunt that discussion because of consideration of whe…	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 09:07 AM
67	Influx of women posting here Agree. But not just “malicious agents”. We also need to be wary of the “openly curious” feminists who engage in “ring kissing” as part of them entering the space. Open to dialogue about MRA yes. If their version of that entails reworking the conversation to include feminism and consideration of female issues alongside, in my opinion they should look elsewhere. This is a sub to discuss men’s rights. Not to argue “who has it worse” or god forbid feel the need to justify our very premise by paying …	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 08:55 AM
3	Help me understand Reflection is good. Learning is good. All that is good. Being prepared to accept “maybe I got that wrong”. I’ve done it loads. Possibly vitriolic comment but what I was describing there, to me at least, it’s a byproduct of the demonstrated high in group bias women have. It’s often touted that women have huge empathy. What is less talked about is that women tend to (by looking at their actions) have major difficulties empathising with groups that are different to them. Hence why when feminism was…	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 07:40 AM
2	Help me understand There could be thousands of reasons. One is probably that women have higher in group bias than men do, so women tend to “stick to their own” on the matter. Men do not have the same bias so they venture into these spaces whatever their intentions. I can’t speak for them. Many of the men who do this do it to simply rile up and rant at women. I see it as pointless but whatever. What do you mean by the switch flip? Why are you assuming the goal of this movement is to convince women to be MRA? Again …	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 07:25 AM
2	Help me understand Thanks. It’s worth pointing out as it is a subtle way of undermining our issues. Gender issues are naturally seen as comparative. If, prior to discussing men’s issues we are required to concede “how women have X and Y worse” it’s essentially ammunition to be used to claim why these issues aren’t as worthy of discussion then. It’s sneaky and underhanded. The idea that “only the most severe thing deserves talking time” is lazy reductionist thinking. Ironically it’s often used by groups claiming to…	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 07:05 AM
5	Help me understand I think the aims of “the movement” are currently vague due to a lack of unity in men’s rights spaces on goals (emancipation from gender roles versus return to traditionalism. I favour the former) I do think a lot of men are sceptical of women in these spaces, ironically for a reason you’re actually demonstrating whether you intend to or not. “But what about women and feminism”. This isn’t a space to discuss women’s issues. This is a space to discuss men’s issues. I’m not going to sit here and an…	/r/MensRights	10/04/24 06:37 AM
15	Your opinion about the Walter Weekes and Daisy Chen aka CJ Daisy situation? Not surprising. RP thumper about “family is societal cornerstone” sweet talks a woman about kids but then when push comes to shove tries to weasel out of it. Is apparently 100% sure doesn’t want kids yet was having unprotected sex with her. Says “why would you want a kid with me?” Whilst being on a podcast where references himself as a high value man. I don’t much care for either of them but Fresh is definitely the bigger liability in the pairing. I’m not even sure why he’s there? His takes and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 01:46 PM
5	The idea that women are naturally not attracted to most men or that they naturally have a weaker sex drive is nonsense. It literally isn’t though. There are actual objective studies that confirm this isn’t true. What is your claim of “6.4 is average” actually based on? Why do you think the studies saying the average is approx 5.5 are wrong? The average bra size in the UK is DD. I have dated (and am now married to) women who have always been larger than this. Do you think that now qualifies me to claim that women with DD boobs are “small” and not average? The “average” can be too small for your preferences but tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/24 10:55 AM
–	Why does society only entertain the idea of choice when it's comes to women?? I feel like this is one of these areas where we really need to repeat the mantra “men and women are different” as is often said in RP circles. I feel like trying to try and create some sort of equivalency in a situation that is fundamentally not equal due to biology and never will be is just a fools errand and playing to a regressive mindset of “but it’s not fair…!” Rather than focusing on the actual reality of the situation. Fundamentally an abortion is not “a decision to withdraw from raising …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 06:48 PM
6	Do you consider a woman having tons of sex with you every single day a way to deter cheating? Not on its own. Assuming the woman is attending the man in every other facet (he feels valued, appreciated, seen and heard; respected) it will probably help. Outside of that? No. Men don’t just cheat because of lack of sex. Stroll over the to infidelity subs, plenty of evidence of men cheating on partners where they have a healthy sexual dynamic going on but the AP has some sort of other novelty the spouse lacks. It could also not be the frequency of sex itself but the quality. By this I mean if…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 05:39 PM
1	CMV: A man who has done extensive research on women and relationships but has not really been involved with them knows FAR MORE than a man who has lots experience with women without looking at studies and research. This scenario is assuming the studies of women render perfect or accurate knowledge of them. Yet for all the studies we have, we still don’t have a precise theory of how love works, how to make people attracted to you. They’re all just suggestions and generalisations. So basically the scenario is a person who’s read up on a load of generalisations but never tested them versus someone who has had real life experience with these individuals that are (as yet) imperfectly described in studies. I kno…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 04:48 PM
4	Question: Why the “freshly 18” double standard? I think you need to really play into semantics to understand how sharing pictures of your body with millions, which they then can take and do with as they please is impersonal, whereas engaging with someone directly is personal. The fact it concerns the persons body makes it personal. Sure, they can “play a role” or whatever, but that doesn’t magically make it not their actual privates they parade on show. It’s personal by virtue of that fact alone. Now it’s less personal on an emotional level s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 04:41 PM
3	"The Ick" is just another way of saying "a turn-off" Could be a cultural/generational difference. I associate the term more with my parents than myself, and I’m in my late thirties.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 04:26 PM
–	A question for men He has less of them compared to the women he has bedded. The redpill take is that women “date men who are more than they are”. Davidson kinda challenges this with stuff like bedding KK and KB because these women are above him in terms of looks, fame and money. So the fact he has money and fame isn’t really a gotcha here, because redpill doesn’t claim women want X amount of money, rather they tend to look for men who outperform them and to get “the best they can get” and Davidson is absolutely NO…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 04:20 PM
11	"The Ick" is just another way of saying "a turn-off" I feel like courting is usually done with intent to be exclusive. Saying you’re “going out” with someone or “seeing them” just implies you’re romantically engaged with them (and often sexually) but it doesn’t mean anything beyond that. It’s just a descriptor of what you’re doing rather than a statement of intent. This might be my UK talking though. Courting is like an old fashioned “testing stage prior to intentions of boyfriend/girlfriend” stage in my understanding. It at least carried the unde…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 04:07 PM
9	Question: Why the “freshly 18” double standard? You’d be surprised, plenty of people who support 18 yr olds starting OF would see older romantic interest in them as “creepy and preying on their immaturity”. So whilst it’s not a perfect correlation it seems to be a very lopsided interpretation of what maturity is. So like you can be mature enough to conclude having your images on the internet forever in the hands of millions of strangers is a wise move, but not mature enough to judge whether a single interpersonal relationship is in your inter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 03:57 PM
23	"The Ick" is just another way of saying "a turn-off" Yes. This younger generation is basically rephrasing a lot of already understood terms. The ick = turn off Rizz = charisma Situationship = “going out with” or “casually seeing”	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 03:54 PM
1	Florida woman, 23, who 'posed online as SCHOOLGIRL to molest teenage boy' appears shackled in court as she is hit with new charges after FOUR more victims aged 12-15 come forward I think the part of this story that annoys me equally as much is the amount of idiotic morons in the comment sections who keep saying how they “wished it was them” and “it’s every lads dream”. Imagine being a young boy growing up with a father who is basically hoping your female teachers would rape you, and if they did, would use any signs of trauma or regret from you as “proof you must be gay then.” A fantastic example of how men can be one of the biggest impediments to male rights.	/r/MensRights	08/04/24 03:51 PM
4	Why is the massive gap in gender criminal sentencing never talked about? Bingo. Women typically need to be serial offenders to get jail time, so using the fact that “women who serve tend to reoffend more than men who do” is a joke. A man can receive jail time for a first offence. Women don’t always receive custodial services if they do; except those who have a persistent pattern of criminal behaviour. I mean it’s not exactly rocket science: person with persistent pattern of offending more likely to reoffend when released. For some reason though they choose to interpr…	/r/MensRights	07/04/24 12:15 PM
1	Which is harder? Stay-at-home Parent? Or sole-provider for a family? The stress of being the one responsible for the family’s finances is a thing. However note that YOU are largely in control of that. Your actions, your choices etc. With the SAHP parent you rely on this money and you have NO control over it. If your partner is making choices that fuck up their job prospects you cannot control that, yet their money is your lifeblood. That is an entirely different kind of stress; to know you are completely reliant and on someone else without having the veil of “non…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/24 09:05 AM
3	Which is harder? Stay-at-home Parent? Or sole-provider for a family? Surely this question depends on too many variables? I mean sole provider…. As a 9-5 in a well air conditioned office with a decent office/desk space? Or what about a police officer? What about working the fields? These are vastly different from each other. Same for the SAHP thing; one kid? Two? What age are they? Do you have support networks nearby? What’s the local area like regarding opportunities get out of the house? I feel like questions like this are a thinly veiled way to stoke division a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/24 08:47 AM
2	MEN: Would you rather a woman with feminine presentation but masculine temperament, or masculine presentation but feminine temperament. Vice versa for women? I mean I’m not sure. This was when I was dating and in uni in the late nineties so I think the look and attitude was kind of “in” in a sub cultural way then due to the music scene. I didn’t really think of it of tomboyish necessarily at the time, more of a rowdy “oi” type girl who was into the revival punk scenes I was into at the time. We met at a gig in a local pub in my second (and her first) year of uni but didn’t start dating until partway through the following year (but kept bumping into e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/24 05:47 PM
7	MEN: Would you rather a woman with feminine presentation but masculine temperament, or masculine presentation but feminine temperament. Vice versa for women? Yeah I don’t see it as a natural pairing. When I was at uni I had a long term GF who was pretty tomboyish and androgynous looking to the extent of how she dressed. She behaved “like a girl” however and would still engage in makeup and shaving. She just hated dresses and that sort of thing and had very male traditional interests and attitudes in many respects but leaned into the “female” role in our pairing. We split due to mutual decisions of us moving apart due to our studies, but she was aweso…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/24 12:29 PM
18	MEN: Would you rather a woman with feminine presentation but masculine temperament, or masculine presentation but feminine temperament. Vice versa for women? I think woman B is caricatured too strongly. There’s plenty of examples of women who are “tomboyish” in real life and celebrity who a lot of men would find attractive, but tying it necessarily to the “unshaven butch lesbian extreme” is a bit ridiculous. I thought I’d enter into this saying woman B, but honestly I’d pick neither. I do find tomboyish women attractive (dress style, short hair, tattoos etc) but honestly I’ve never associated tomboyishness with stuff like “doesn’t shave” or where a w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/24 12:19 PM
5	The entire “if a girl is really into you, you’ll know and there is nothing that can dissuade her” narrative really needs to die already. This is completely false, and is misleading generations of men. Context. The claim is men know what women’s dating behaviours in interacting with men are better than women know them. Given straight women date men, do you dispute this claim? Every date a straight woman has been on, the woman (her) is the same every time. So that variable never changes. When a man is dating women, the “woman” variable changes every time. Nobody is claiming men know individual women’s minds better than women know their own, simply they have a wider perspective of what it’s like…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/24 08:18 AM
2	Curious about the average views of my fellow MRA people. (Since a lot of people have referred to this group as conservative) I consider myself classically left leaning (not the new left). I actually struggle with the idea of being right leaning and advocating for MR. The right has historically never really been friends of MR. It is the right and their social and economic policies that often end up hurtling towards stuff like conscriptions, drafts, the idea of a “man’s value being his labour”, workhorsing and also all the other traditionalist stuff like “a real man provides”. I don’t begrudge anyone who supports MR and…	/r/MensRights	27/03/24 09:36 AM
–	Where did this ridiculous notion come from that men lack emotional competence because they are only allowed to feel anger The most common reaction to doesn’t mean it is justifiable to treat men as a monolith. Theres this thing called nuance. We employ in several facets of life but for some reason in certain ones, we don’t seem able to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/24 01:27 PM
3	Where did this ridiculous notion come from that men lack emotional competence because they are only allowed to feel anger Or it’s redefined as anger. Example: man is upset with something he has discovered about his partner “why are you shouting” “you’re scaring me”. When the textbook is “anger is bad” and also “all your emotions necessarily lead to anger” then there’s no recourse really is there? Men just decide to bottle because to show anything else is typically dismissed or if it’s a feeling that is “difficult” for other people to accommodate it just gets defined as anger then the whole “man gets angry at woman”…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/24 10:30 AM
23	Where did this ridiculous notion come from that men lack emotional competence because they are only allowed to feel anger I think part of the problem is male emotionality is generalised into anger, thus it becomes the perception that anger is the only legit male emotion or the one men “default to” A man disagreeing because he feels uncomfortable can be interpreted as him getting angry. A man reactively negatively to being embarrassed is cloaked with overtones of “he’ll be angry”. A man displaying righteous outrage is repackaged as his temper leading him. Everything is viewed from this vein. You can see it in thread…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/24 10:26 AM
0	What’s your opinion on the 4B movement coming to America? I don’t see it making a massive difference. The women who aren’t already in this mindset are unlikely to be convinced to change their minds because some other women tell them to change their ways. They’d have to at least see eye to see on the philosophical point being made and the fact is many women see having children as something they want to do. Same for marriage. So I think really only those already convinced by this idea will pick it up, but that means it will have little effect. SK is diff…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/24 06:37 PM
1	Do men derive their self-esteem and emotional state from women I’d argue you’re talking about dopamine and the reward system there, not self esteem. That “feels good” we get can be explained along the lines of biochemistry. But I wouldn’t conflate it with self esteem at all. Self esteem is not the same as “feels good”. Otherwise that “tingle” we get when we watch a loud film in a cinema supposedly increases our self esteem because that is exactly the same biological “feels good” you’re talking about when we have sex and such. It’s to encourage us to do it a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/24 05:42 PM
0	Do men derive their self-esteem and emotional state from women I never said it needs a peer reviewed study. I merely asked for evidence beyond an assertion with nothing behind it. And your reply does it again “men who get to reproduce a lot feel confidence and self esteem”. You’ve begged the question. You haven’t said why. And are you talking about modern men or these historical pre-societal men here? Because what modern man feels does not mean pre societal man felt the same thing. Self esteem isn’t some neat, tidy biological mechanism that travels in a lin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/24 02:49 PM
1	Do men derive their self-esteem and emotional state from women Not necessarily. Whether a man derived self esteem from mating or not has nothing to do with it. A man who sired children with multiple women and spread his genes far and wide may have done so for reasons completely unrelated to whether he derived self esteem from it. It is way more likely that he had the means to fend off competition and that women selected him and made themselves accessible to him. None of that requires he derived any sense of self worth from what he was doing at all. It could…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/24 01:59 PM
0	Do men derive their self-esteem and emotional state from women My question is on what basis? I am curious what evidence is being used to conclude there is a biological basis for our ancient ancestors deriving self esteem from having sex with women? We have absolutely no records of their psychological profiles at all. The whole thing relies on an assumption that the minds of our ancestors operate similar to how ours do today, in which case you’re arguing front to back, and then using that back to justify the front “it’s in our biology”. It doesn’t make sense…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/24 12:14 PM
1	Women, what's something (behaviour, presentation, expression) traditionally seen as "feminine" that you find attractive in men? Men, what's something traditionally seen as "masculine" that you find attractive in women? Women who present with an androgynous or masculine leaning energy are something I’ve always found really hot. I think I’d say androgynous though because there’s still clear elements of femininity about them (mainly their facial presentation) But like short hair, toned, dressing in stereotypically masculine styles like full suits, braces, having a lot of tattoos or piercings, being quite “rough around the edges” but still being feminine in the sense of I can still discern she’s a woman. It’s tric…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/24 10:44 AM
3	Do men derive their self-esteem and emotional state from women “Since before society….would have come from…” How does your boyfriend actually know this? If we’re talking about pre societal man here (which is a LOT further back than people think) we have absolutely no idea what they were thinking or why. At that point it’s even arguable that we weren’t “man” at all, but simply “another animal but a damn smart one” and honestly, when we look at animals doing their stuff (like bagging a mate) do we honestly describe it as “improving their self esteem”?? Or is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/24 09:48 AM
7	Do men derive their self-esteem and emotional state from women The fact it “affects men more” doesn’t invalidate their point at all. All it suggests is (continuing the logic) men have less supportive environments on average than women do growing up so they develop these esteem issues. Just because it congregates in a gender, it doesn’t mean the essentialism of that gender is to blame, but rather how that gender is treated and socialised. The “lived experiences” on men and women on average are not the same. Boys on average receive a lot less emotional valida…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/24 09:40 AM
–	Is the fate of being settled for, unavoidable? And I’ll bet that after that you took conscious note of what you were wearing that time and made similar follow up efforts with your wardrobe right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/24 04:47 PM
–	Is the fate of being settled for, unavoidable? It is definitely societal conditioning. There is no evidence that on a biological level men are less receptive or responsive to praise, compliments or expressions of affection than women are. That men aren’t expected to make such a fuss of it is literally social programming stemming from history. Just ask men here if they remember a time a woman they cared (or found attractive) about made a genuine non trivial compliment about him as a person/looks rather than his utility. Most will probably ans…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/24 04:07 PM
–	What's your dating unpopular opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you down voted? Because the odds of finding someone whose values, interests, temperament, outlook and philosophy align with yours perfectly (as to require no bending) is very, very small. Like, I have no problem with people doing it. I just think it’s a bit rich for people to complain about they can’t find anyone or how there is “nobody out there” when such is their outlook. I’m not advocating for people to go for people with nothing in common or competing interests, but the inability to tolerate even minor dif…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/24 12:34 PM
1	Question: If a woman asks for a divorce over emotional needs, is it okay to divorce over physical needs? I think it’s to figure out whether the person being hurt by the suggestion is being unreasonable or not, so the one asking the question can see whether they’re being manipulated. Nobody is ever going to think a reason for divorcing them is justified. But you need to look beyond their opinion. Hypothetically consider a wife that gives her husband no form of physical intimacy at all, not even touch, a peck, whatnot, and is cold with him. If you ask her divorcing her for that would be unreasonable …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/24 09:37 AM
–	What's your dating unpopular opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you down voted? One of the chief reasons imo why modern dating and relationships seem a lot harder these days (especially for the younger folks) is individuals lack the necessary will to give up some of their individuation which all long term successful relationships require to work by virtue of involving a person beyond yourself. Everything is viewed from the lens of “if this makes any part of me feel uncomfortable, less than totally satisfied, at odds with my idea of perfection, sits at a difference with my d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/24 07:42 AM
–	What's your dating unpopular opinion? Something you truly believe, but would get you down voted? The emotional intelligence one is a big one. Being emotionally intelligent doesn’t just mean “aware of other people’s emotions” it means your own too. So these men who are emotionally intelligent, they will do stuff like say “no” to something because it makes them uncomfortable, even if it’s some trivial act in the woman’s eyes. They will take time out for their own mental health. They will refuse requests if they feel it stretches their mental health so far. They may challenge your views if hum…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/24 07:18 AM
4	All men are predators? Or irrational fear? There’s a difference between locking your door to prevent a burglary and behaving as if everyone you meet might be a burglar. I don’t think anyone is saying that women taking precautions against SA to the same degree is unreasonable, but I’m not quite where the labelling of all/most men as being these things is part of that. Last time I checked rapists and sexual offenders don’t leave you alone because you correctly identified them as a sexual deviant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/24 03:37 PM
3	Does the "friend zone" mainly consist of males? If so, why? I think the key thing is “opportunity to have sex” Work friends for example, it may not be conducive for men to have sex with colleagues. The fact the man realises this doesn’t mean that in a hypothetical “if we could bang, no string, no consequences, would you?” The man would decline. Same for friends and acquaintances. The point is if the opportunity came along would men have sex with these women? not “do men seek opportunities to have sex with these women. Baranowski and Hecht (2015) followin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/24 04:38 PM
1	If the blue pill is correct, why does the friend zone exist? The blue pill doesn’t claim “personality is all that matters” Blue pill = mainstream. Mainstream belief is attraction is a cocktail of personality, chemistry and physical attraction. So a girl getting on with a guy doesn’t imply she has chemistry nor physical attraction to him. Now if you asked women “with guys you get on with, have chemistry with and are physically attracted to them, do you friendzone them?” And I think the answer in most cases would be no. These guys are either exes, crushes o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/24 04:11 PM
1	The best way for men to weed out superficial women who are using them is to get separate orders on dates. I’m confused. I never said the money was an audition? You brought up dating being an audition in a thread with “who pays” as the issue? So clearly you’re trying to link the concept of paying, to part of this audition process, unless I’m missing something? If money is nothing to do with it, why comment in a thread with “paying” as the topic? It’s only natural people are going to assume that’s the context you’re talking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/24 03:10 PM
1	The best way for men to weed out superficial women who are using them is to get separate orders on dates. Well you seem to be talking as if the money is “part of his audition”, right? That would make it collateral, yes? And no need to try and make it a “if you’re offended”. I personally don’t give a shit. I’m a “offers to pay” guy. I just think the analogy used is bizarre because if it’s meant to make women look like they put in “as much” then it really fails to do that. First dates are basically women “interviewing men”. I accept this. The idea the woman is “equally auditioning” to the same degree …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/24 02:58 PM
1	The best way for men to weed out superficial women who are using them is to get separate orders on dates. I agree. As said the problem is when women claim it IS equal, which many do. If they don’t do that, no problem from my perspective. But insisting it’s equal when it isn’t is clearly ludicrous. Women expect “more” at the start of dating in investment terms than men do. There’s several reasons why this may be the case. It only becomes problematic when society on the whole is trying to paint a picture of men and women being the same as each other. A natural consequence of that is people then begin …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/24 12:10 PM
2	A woman pushing for commitment can leave a man feeling the same way a man pushing for sex makes a woman feel I would say it’s a sense of “providing peace”. It’s horribly vague I get that but that’s the best way I can explain it. In the sense that the women presents in a way where the man can hypothetically see being involved with her would be peaceful and uncomplicated. No moving parts or dramas or histrionics. Now some of these moving parts may be reasonable for women to have, my point is however the degree to which they manifest and appear a potential obstruction is all that matters. Just take a look…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/24 08:18 AM
2	Which gender do you think treats the other gender worse, on average, in modern western society, and why? Anecdotes are always going to skew this question but if we’re talking about objective measures, well, studies consistently show women have a much larger in group bias than men which essentially means they treat them worse than women because of differences, whereas men do not have the same in group bias. Now you can argue the areas where men do treat women badly are worse (SA etc) but this is why this question is vague. Are we talking “worse” in the sense of select minority examples with extreme …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/24 08:05 AM
5	The best way for men to weed out superficial women who are using them is to get separate orders on dates. If it’s an audition and money is the man’s “collateral” what is the woman’s collateral? I sincerely hope you’re not going to peddle the “looking presentable and company” line, because that only works if you’re giving the man a waive in those areas (so he can turn up looking like a casual Joe so long as he paid, as that’s his collateral) Unless you accept he does need to do that, and the audition therefore isn’t equal. If you understand that; no problem. The problem is where women insist a man sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/24 07:40 AM
3	The best way for men to weed out superficial women who are using them is to get separate orders on dates. Because men can’t offer women any of that? Your point only stands if you assume men have to pay because the women offers that whilst the man does not. See how successful a date is with a man who offers to pay but doesn’t really offer deep conversations, insights, charm etc. You’ll see a man who gets no second dates. This idea that the woman is “paying with her company” is an out of date sexist assumption that stems from when women had nothing else to offer but their company. It wasn’t predicated…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/24 07:19 AM
1	Using surrogates and egg donors to have kids instead of with a romantic partner Why treat them as mutually exclusive? Why can’t he be interested in having kids to continue his legacy but also being interested in them as humans? “Projects of self actualisation” is a bit of a bastardisation of my point there, I never said children are “vainity projects”. My point is they’re human beings, so acting like they’re a “signature” of yours in some form and nothing particularly more complex than that is just being willfully obtuse. I also find it hypocritical to claim a child as one’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/24 07:52 PM
1	Why are women so aggressively worried about being murdered by men? Yes. I think the “what” tends to overwhelm the “how likely” in human calculations. Like you could walk into a situation with a 30% chance of sustaining a relatively minor injury and a 2% chance of being killed and people are way more cautious and vigilant against safeguarding against the 2% as if that’s the primary risk to their safety. Most potential deadly risk? Sure, but it doesn’t make it the most probable risk.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/24 07:08 PM
1	Why are women so aggressively worried about being murdered by men? This is correct. If we humour the studies that are available one enduring lingering weakness of humans is that for all our cognitive abilities, we have evolved a particular weakness to the assessment of probability and chance. Humans are naturally bad at comprehending the chances of things occurring and what that means in real terms of what we can expect. This is probably because human history was influenced in large part quite early by deliberation with our actions reducing the amount of fortun…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/24 05:40 PM
3	I think love and romance is not very important and can be dangerous. Men happiness depend on how pretty the women he knocked up irrelevant of the motives of those women. Men want women's "body," not her soul. Yes, that’s basically it. Evo Psyche tries to answer the problem of “why do we think/feel/behave the way we do?” By looking at the past, and in analysing the past (which escapes our direct observations) it uses disparate pieces of evidence and then attaches to them inferences that come from a place of being thought as plausible by using our current location (behaviour, thoughts and feelings) as a reference point…the very things this historical data is meant to be telling us. Even without this lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/24 05:18 PM
3	I think love and romance is not very important and can be dangerous. Men happiness depend on how pretty the women he knocked up irrelevant of the motives of those women. Men want women's "body," not her soul. The way I see it is it explains some of what it is to be human. But it doesn’t even come close to explaining it all. So as said if your view of humans is reductive and we’re basically “animals that are especially smart” then it sure holds appeal as a paradigm. However if you actually believe that humans have stepped a bit further outside that due our increasingly more complex social, emotional and cognitive domains compared to other animals, then it doesn’t really satisfy at all. Also a lot of e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/24 05:08 PM
4	I think love and romance is not very important and can be dangerous. Men happiness depend on how pretty the women he knocked up irrelevant of the motives of those women. Men want women's "body," not her soul. Hear hear. This is basically a massive thought dump. Where’s the analysis?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/24 04:47 PM
10	I think love and romance is not very important and can be dangerous. Men happiness depend on how pretty the women he knocked up irrelevant of the motives of those women. Men want women's "body," not her soul. Total agree. Evolutionary psychology specifically points out the importance of communal bonds and socialisation in humans as a driving mechanism in our evolution. Not just in the sense of “lives together, associates” but in the sense of tangible recognition of more than superficial emotional bonds that underpin our associations. Anyone who claims to “follow evolutionary psychology” and then claims a strategy devoid of emotion or whatnot is talking out of their arse. They’re following the parts t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/24 04:42 PM
3	I think love and romance is not very important and can be dangerous. Men happiness depend on how pretty the women he knocked up irrelevant of the motives of those women. Men want women's "body," not her soul. I see a post that claims “I’m naturally good at analysis” And I see nothing but massive extrapolation from personal experiences, not a single source or statistic, and a whole lot of “folk wisdom”. The ability to draw ad hoc conclusions from personal experiences and apply them as some kind of nomothetic truth without even consulting appropriate tests to verify your claim against isn’t even in the same ballpark as analysis. It’s just “pontification”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/24 04:35 PM
7	What experiences or observations do you think leads to someone being “misandrist”? What experiences or observations do you think leads to someone being “misogynistic”? You’re not engaging with my point at all. I stated quite clearly that I believe men and women develop such attitudes for exactly the same reasons human beings develop prejudiced views against any group different to them. I do not believe there are different paradigms at play for each gender, only different superficial details which work by the same mechanics. I’m not taking issue with the distribution of X reason across whatever gender, who, or what, you could say this about women and I’d have a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/24 10:33 PM
4	What experiences or observations do you think leads to someone being “misandrist”? What experiences or observations do you think leads to someone being “misogynistic”? That wasn’t the thrust of my argument, my thrust is you’re attributing an entirely different explanation to a similar phenomenon arising (stereotypical prejudices towards genders) for one group and not another and not really explaining why. Also the premise is unnecessarily convoluted. In most studies of prejudicial attitudes it’s generally seen people develop such views when they can lazily generalise a group based upon a perception of them that is unfavourable for some reason or another, it us…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/24 10:21 PM
10	What experiences or observations do you think leads to someone being “misandrist”? What experiences or observations do you think leads to someone being “misogynistic”? Definitions like this contribute to the “you can’t really do misandrist” mindset. I agree with you on misogyny in a way. At least in respect to it comes about in a way where at some point, the men who are or those around them make it clear “you’re responding to this in a bad way” and the general filtration of misogyny being socially unacceptable is made clear through that. Defining misandry as you do and arising as you do contributes to this idea that unlike misogyny, misandry is somehow “more j…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/24 10:04 PM
5	Does paying for everything excuse you from chores? I think this is what many are missing. They’re viewing it as some sort of calculation. They’re missing the part where, because the “working partner” believes SAHM work is littered with breaks and stuff, they don’t do much at the home when their, the SAHM parent is consciously clocking them not doing much and happily watching them “continue to work” whilst enjoying leisure themselves. And then behaving in a surprised manner when they find their partner isn’t in the mood for “fun times” later. Som…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/24 09:06 AM
1	When dating, why do people claim to speak a foreign language? Whilst I don’t doubt many of these men you encounter are doing so simply to try and make an impression upon you, I personally think your standards of expecting of “making a claim to speak” are too high. “Mastering the grammar and possessing a rich vocabulary”. Extremely nebulous definition on the last part especially. Who defines that? You? What standard is being applied to distinguish the qualification into rich vocabulary here? Does it matter whether the listener understands or has to ask for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/24 08:51 AM
4	Using surrogates and egg donors to have kids instead of with a romantic partner It’s not because he’s a man. It’s because the scenario being painted is “I want to have loads of children at once, and hire an army of Nannies to raise them”. Basically the emotional availability side of things is being outsourced to everyone else because despite apparently being a multimillionaire, OP cannot afford to make more time for their desired children. If you have enough money to hire around the clock Nannies for 4-5 kids I’m fairly sure you have enough to actually be more involved your…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/24 09:00 PM
6	Using surrogates and egg donors to have kids instead of with a romantic partner No offence but being lonely is a bad reason to have a child. Being a parent is a lifelong responsibility (unless you experience the tragedy of outliving your children) it isn’t something to take lightly to “scratch an itch” of a problem. It’s a conscious choice to bring a human being into existence and to be the one who equips them for it in every respect. Like you need to adopt a totally different mindset; their needs over yours, patience, levels of tolerance you never knew, watching their pain…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/24 08:48 PM
8	Using surrogates and egg donors to have kids instead of with a romantic partner So is this sudden awareness of being childless about actually raising a child or more about installing legacy? Because if you’re telling the truth about your numbers, surely you have the resources to allow yourself to “backseat” for some years so you can focus on actually raising a child yourself. I mean parents with less than 1% of what you have do it when it comes to making time. Obviously you can either do that or go the multiple nanny route if money is no object, but given both are options, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/24 04:00 PM
11	Using surrogates and egg donors to have kids instead of with a romantic partner You missed out quite a few cons: Being raised by Nannies gives the children the same “absent father” relationship they would have with you were they with their mom most of the time. Except the difference is their primary attachment relationships will be with people paid to look after them who may or may not always be available. That WILL have an impact. Having them close together to “keep each other company and make it easier on them” will probably result in parentification of the older kids and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/24 02:39 PM
2	Have you ever considered that love (in the romantic sense) is a lie? You’re accusing me of bad generalisation but apparently you’re saying generalising the fact that all animals shit and eat makes your generalisation about lack of love equivalent, when it isn’t even observed in all humans? Like, my analogy might not be perfect but if you’re gonna nitpick the precision of it don’t claim what you’re doing has the veracity of observing universal biological truisms seen in all animals. Like, at least my analogy is comparing variances within humans specifically and po…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/24 07:48 AM
2	Have you ever considered that love (in the romantic sense) is a lie? Nah. Bollocks. Like so many things in life, and with us humans, it’s entirely variation. Not everything can be generalised according to some nomothetic law of nature. Sometimes you just have to accept that “for some people this seems true, and for others it doesn’t seem possible” and accept that. There’s no reason it must be one or the other. I mean we readily accept that some, but not all humans will be amazing performers, or scientists, or leaders. Why is it so hard to accept that some humans …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/24 10:13 AM
1	Are women generally speaking more loyal to their partner? This debate is obscured by what we mean by cheating. If we run with the definition of “has sex with other people” then yeah I’ll say men probably perform more highly. If we include stuff that “in the majority of the exclusive relationships would be considered cheating or a betrayal” but not necessarily involving sex between the people I think the gap narrows a lot. You need to understand a lot of women who do cheat, don’t consider what they do to be cheating because “we never had sex” so they’ll…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/24 08:19 AM
–	LGBT could be the bridge to solving the so called gender war They can publicise a version of it better but it still doesn’t capture it. For example male loneliness as a male problem I’d describe as being chronically alone, with it being socialised as ambivalent, viewed as a personal issue and generally viewed “publically” with the same dismissive tone. Someone going onto the internet to complain about that and having people send them hug emojis, let alone actually listening and getting views shows precisely that they are not experiencing that. They’re not…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/24 10:06 AM
–	LGBT could be the bridge to solving the so called gender war Agree on the trans thing. Gender is more than a personal feeling. The element of it that is interpreted by others in their perceived treatment of you cannot be ignored. Now gender identity IS a personally felt thing, but that is very distinct to the experiences of a gender, because experiences of a gender arise from more than just a personal gender identity, they also arise from the perception of being as that gender in society. This is the whole thinking behind the idea of “passing”, although i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/24 09:47 AM
–	LGBT could be the bridge to solving the so called gender war The thing about that “trans man speaks up for male experience” post is it highlights the fact they don’t get the same experience with the irony of posting a video about experiencing it. Why? Because the video was seen and heard and people poured their support at them. Stuff the staggering majority of men will not receive if they did the same thing. People cannot just choose the ignore the optics of how the “trans” label changes the perceptions here. The fact is trans men may experience “worse” t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/24 09:36 AM
1	With the growing ideological divide between men and women and increasing bitterness, is heterosexuality becoming inferior? Not at all. Look at real life instead of hyperbolic and exaggerated content. I still have to go out of my way to clock a gay couple in the crowd of Herero couples. This is like the tumblr identity patchwork quilt thing of yesteryear. You need to understand that what appears common online doesn’t have necessarily any correlation with the real world. In many cases, such stuff is common online because it struggles to find a platform as welcoming in the real world due to being “lost in the noise” of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/02/24 04:06 PM
1	How much are men told to bottle up their emotions relative to girls? I think so. Although shouting is interpreted as problematic for both. I’m talking about a boy in a class maybe getting excited about something they’re doing, so he might become loud and talkative and eager to share his enjoyment. He may be told to “be quiet” “stop interrupting” “calm down”; basically his enjoyment of the subject and his emotions that arise from it are treated as “sort of problematic and disruptive” in a way that girls are not with how they show their enjoyment. At an age where b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/02/24 03:53 PM
3	How much are men told to bottle up their emotions relative to girls? I don’t think men are specifically told to bottle it up (and where they are it’s usually in rather unhelpful macho posturing toxic environments) on the wide scale, rather they are taught subconsciously that their showing of emotion is unconstructive. Stuff like boys being told off for shouting, being too loud, interrupting, being “too excitable”. In some cases the emotion is conflated with being aggressive or threatening simply because cause it makes the boy very enthusiastic and excited and it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/02/24 01:04 PM
5	Holly Maxwell avoids jail after filming herself assaulting her own baby Beyond a point it gets hiring of hearing about PPD, even in contexts of stuff other than child abuse. Experiment: take a stroll into any “relationship” sub and find a thread where it’s a case of a man asking advice for dealing with a situation where his female partner (SAHM or not) isn’t really helping him around the house at all, despite him working full time. It will takes you about 3 seconds to find a reply along the lines of “sounds like PPD”. Without fail it is used as a lazy generalised de…	/r/MensRights	29/02/24 12:45 PM
34	Why won’t Britons serve in the armed forces if called? \| YouGov This isn’t even necessarily men’s rights (although obviously men would be the target demographic to be called up) But honestly I think that anyone, man or woman in the UK atm wouldn’t be so eager to fight for the UK for reasons that have little to do with sex-related issues. The UK is regularly touted as one of the leading nations of the world, but you don’t feel it. Pay is shit, cost of living an extraordinarily high, people have to slave away for their lifetimes for the mere chance of achievin…	/r/MensRights	28/02/24 04:02 PM
2	Is it ever OK for a man to push for exclusivity first? This. I’ve instigated the “serious conversation” in every relationship I ever had and it never seemed to be a bad thing. The key is not to specifically ask “do you wanna be my gf?” But rather objectively state more that you yourself in this relationship as wanting it to go in a serious direction and make it more official, what’s her stance. That way it’s less pleading, and more assertive. Less “will you give me the official?” And more “I’ve decided I would like to see what this looks like offici…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/24 10:24 AM
1	Almost all sides of social media sees the manosphere as some misogynistic group. I think the key distinction is what is meant by “worthless” or “pointless”. That’s where the conflation goes awry. In purist nihilism it literally means “without a point of reference” or “intrinsic worth” in the sense there is no set of principles or purposes behind it. It simply is. This is not the same as saying it’s “pointless” to mean “not worth engaging with” or “fruitless” because a lot of nihilist theory says the opposite; as existence is a blank canvas it is ripe for us to imprint whatev…	/r/MensRights	26/02/24 07:45 PM
1	Do people not date based on their romantic feelings? People select dates based on criteria akin to market but maintain dating into relationships based on romantic feelings. If this was not true you would see almost every person “upgrading” their partner constantly but you don’t. It would be implausible to suggest that all the people who appear to stick with a partner just happened to find the one person they “match” with in market value precisely (and nobody else in their social world is a better fit) or that throngs of people in relationships are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/24 07:01 PM
3	Saying men have to create their value any different than saying men don't have value. Exactly. This can be transpired to many men’s issues: the “workhorsing” of men. the prioritisation of men as military conscripts and men being “meat shields” men being expected to provide and financially support even where a woman can contribute. men not being present in the liberal arts and creative/soft employment men not being prioritised as parents men having to be “primary instigator” in most relationship deciding activities. men being stereotyped as “inherently violent” or “aggressive” in …	/r/MensRights	26/02/24 04:38 PM
3	Saying men have to create their value any different than saying men don't have value. There is a double standard at play but it’s difficult to unravel and isn’t a case of “how poor men face this evil fact and women enjoy the fruits…” Both men and women accord women intrinsic value. Women do it through sisterhood and men do it through biology and appreciation for women’s natural faculties. Both men and women accord men instrumental value. Women do it through vetting prospective partners and men do it through intersexual competition and machismo related posturing. You only need to …	/r/MensRights	26/02/24 01:54 PM
1	Simps are the worst It’s not really a prisoners dilemma though because in a classic prisoners dilemma each man has tangible rights objective gains from betraying the other men (provided they don’t betray him) In reality, men don’t have this. You have “sticking together” and thus enjoying the fruits of solidarity and brotherhood with your sex who can therefore empathise with you on that level versus betrayal where women “will like you more” which doesn’t even translate into anything? When’s the last time these white…	/r/MensRights	26/02/24 01:07 PM
7	Almost all sides of social media sees the manosphere as some misogynistic group. Most blackpillers are pessimistic, I wouldn’t say they’re nihilistic. Nihilism is the observation of lack of intrinsic values or morals or meaning to life. An outlook that contrasts strictly with the blackpill observation that people who are genetically “gifted” have an inherent value and access to quality of life they’ll never taste. They’re better to be described as anomic pressimists. Nihilism is not about moping about how “living is pointless” and “sucks”. At its core, Nihilism is an existen…	/r/MensRights	26/02/24 12:21 PM
2	When men call women “illogical,” do they genuinely believe she is literally not following a rationale? Whether they’re dumb or not is not for me to say not much use, I’m just saying they’re there, and certainly to the degree that exceptions to the norm remain as exceptions to the norm. The thing about generalisations is yes they remain generalisations but they don’t propagate in the first place because they’re only true for a minority of people in a group.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 07:39 PM
1	When men call women “illogical,” do they genuinely believe she is literally not following a rationale? Both genders are capable of being illogical. The difference it is stereotypically “good” for a man to be logical in the sense that men are often chastised or punished socially for being too emotive (men showing emotions is often conflated with them being weak or potentially violent with little in between) so they’re rarely rewarded for it, so often end up being pragmatic thinkers. Conversely it is generally seen as more acceptable (not universally, certainly not professionally, but socially) for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 05:41 PM
1	When men call women “illogical,” do they genuinely believe she is literally not following a rationale? Not awareness of your behaviours effects. Even illogical people can recognise their actions have caused X. I’d say the main factor is ability to anticipate the effects of your actions accurately and acknowledge the causal link.. Example: let’s say a woman performs X non-direct communication behaviour. This behaviour sometimes ends up with men behaving the way she wants and sometimes not, but we’d say on average it’s 60/40 in her favour. Now, let’s also say she cannot accurately predict which men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/24 04:38 PM
3	Why does every ignore the millions of posts on social media hating on short men? Also the disparity in “traditional value” Traditionally a woman’s value has been tied up in her appearance. Her character also but appearance is what drew men to her. In recent years we’ve seen a lot of technological advancements that allow women of all persuasions to “play with” their appearance to varying degrees be it surgery, filters, makeup techniques etc. basically it means women who historically would have been consigned to “low value” due to their unfortunate looks are increasingly parti…	/r/MensRights	25/02/24 08:40 AM
2	Why does every ignore the millions of posts on social media hating on short men? Schrodingers social pressure. “I wear make up for myself, I dress for myself” “Women only do these things because of social pressure from men”. The only logical conclusion here then is that women who say this are consciously choosing to take part in something they understand is pressure from another group, somehow for their own benefit (or they’re conceding there are benefits to the this pressure) Either way it makes no sense. “I’m doing it for myself but only because of social pressure men.” We…	/r/MensRights	25/02/24 08:28 AM
2	Why does every ignore the millions of posts on social media hating on short men? Yes. This is a big issue for men’s rights in general not just heightism. There is a fairly large group of men who care not for other men experiencing hardship, because from their PoV anything that eliminates these men from competition with women or makes them look “better” compared to these men (even if it’s just their stance of supporting women) is fine by them. Pussy hungry simps remain one of the biggest stumbling blocks to men collectively realising their potential as a group. They see a guy…	/r/MensRights	25/02/24 08:23 AM
2	When men call women “illogical,” do they genuinely believe she is literally not following a rationale? This only checks out if the patterns of reason can be inferred in sequence. For example, if someone complains about their bad grades and does so because they know how doing so leads to outcome X which may also cause some benefit, you could argue some form of logic is at work. If the person does it, but in doing so is largely oblivious or inattentive to the possible outcomes (whether they reap them or not) then I think it’s a stretch to suggest some form of latent logic is at work, especially if …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/24 03:47 PM
1	That Time Someone Asked "What Makes a Female Creepy?" I have no idea, that’s not really a moral question so much as a philosophical one with historical probing. In a “blank slate” world, I’d say; yeah, why not? However with the world we have with the historical development we have, I don’t think just deciding that “talking about sexual acts freely” is really a smart move. Why not? Because sex is thought of as inherently private in the vast majority of human cultures in the world. That’s not just something we’ve randomly decided to do for no reason.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 11:27 PM
1	That Time Someone Asked "What Makes a Female Creepy?" I’m open to being convinced. But I’d probably need to see an argument as to why sharing “private, non harmful, mutual, intimate sexual experiences” with other people WITHOUT the other participating persons consent to do so leads to a net positive. Ie; what good comes of it other than “topic of gossip”? If I could see an argument for this I’d probably humour the idea restricting it on a societal level is bad. But at the moment to me at least, it’s a tension of “violating someone’s privacy and aut…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 10:57 PM
0	That Time Someone Asked "What Makes a Female Creepy?" But I don’t want to take a Kantian approach to the topic because I believe deontological ethics are flawed. I’m merely suggesting I personally find the notion of such a stance to sexual topics(and for those I interact with as partners) creepy. I don’t find it morally objectionable on a macro level. In the interests of formulating a proper test to run through the categorical imperative I think it’s possible but would have to be worded very specifically to avoid falling foul of concealing sexual p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/24 08:46 AM
4	That Time Someone Asked "What Makes a Female Creepy?" Agreed. Could be a cultural thing. The concept (as performed by either gender) is just creepy to me. Maybe I’m old fashioned but I believe some things should remain sacred between couples.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 05:06 PM
24	That Time Someone Asked "What Makes a Female Creepy?" I’m not sure all of the OP list is creepy so much as shitty, but whatever. For me the stand out one is lack of partner regarded privacy when discussing sexual topics. So my experience has taught me many women incorrectly assume that their partners and boyfriends will discuss everything and anything about sex with their guy friends, so they do similar with the gals. The reality is most guys absolutely do not discuss intimate details of their wives and girlfriends with their mates. They may allude…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 01:09 PM
8	We Need to Support Eachother Like Women This is somewhat true but it’s highlighting the relevance. Men are terrible with “causes” and men’s rights IS a cause. One of the biggest stumbling blocks for men’s rights as an attempted paradigm is that the average man doesn’t give a shit about the experiences of men he doesn’t know at best, and at worst, views them with hostility due to competitive paranoia. You’re right, women maintain very precarious and arguably two faced social interactions at times, and yet despite that feminism has rise…	/r/MensRights	13/02/24 09:49 AM
5	Why do majority of women say they want their man to be a confident leader, yet most women today are reluctant to be obedient/submissive? Machiavelli said an ideal leader will dually inspire people to follow because the leader serves as a good and clear example who is shown to be effective at what they claim (and where necessary ruthless to obtain it) but additionally inspire them to follow through fear of consequences of not doing so - the key point is that the leader doesn’t go out of their way to inspire fear and shallow obedience; the followers fear them through their demonstrated capacity rather than the leader bellowing “fea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/24 10:46 AM
1	4B movement and Ni Una Menos Yeah and sperm is sourcable from…? The men who don’t subscribe to the going your own way movement. So, does it take a massive inductive leap to conclude that similar to how MGTOW hasn’t really had an impact in birthing/coupling that this will fail for similar reasons? Those reasons being there will always be women who don’t subscribe to the movement and will give the men being protested access to the thing the protest group is withholding. Because simply put there is absolutely no way this movem…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/24 10:13 AM
3	Why do you think Western Birth Rates are so low? This. In times gone by having your family and children be reared towards a “collectivist project” like the family business, family name or some “place” in the community was pretty straightforward. And the cool thing was it was accessible. Kid likes idea of keeping the business? Easy, you have the resources to teach them how to handle it directly to. Disinterested in that but has other talents “the village” has helped manifest? Direct them to those neighbours. Now it’s very much about individuali…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/24 01:00 PM
3	Are there any teachers that are mra because I could use your advice The two are not opposed at all. I’m a lecturer and advocate for men’s rights. I teach in traditionally female dominated areas (sociology and psychology). In fact i think shoring up male representation in education is one of the best ways to start addressing fundemental issues in education. I think the degree to which you can “do good” is largely country dependant however. Some countries will have massively strict rules in curriculum and so on. I’m fortunate that I have a good deal of control ove…	/r/MensRights	01/02/24 10:41 AM
3	How the field of psychology fails men. (my top 11 reasons based on my personal experiences listed below) I hope this helps those of you in need of help find proper help and I encourage you to share anything you believe will benefit your therapeutic relationship with your provider. No worries. Worth keeping around when people try the “MeN nEeD tO tAlK” trope. Most men do talk. Clearly talking does fuck all to help them. Maybe because talking only works if other people listen…..!	/r/MensRights	29/11/23 02:09 PM
4	How the field of psychology fails men. (my top 11 reasons based on my personal experiences listed below) I hope this helps those of you in need of help find proper help and I encourage you to share anything you believe will benefit your therapeutic relationship with your provider. https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/ncish/reports/suicide-by-middle-aged-men/ Link to a précis of the study conducted by Manchester Uni (2021) Specific to middle aged men but still, 91% of them engaged with services prior to completing suicide.	/r/MensRights	29/11/23 12:17 PM
5	A question about genetics This isn’t how genetics works at all. Specifics of muscle density, if apparently “a thing for women” previously but also for men currently, tells us that the genes relating to these attributes are likely not going to be specific to sex chromosomes. Sex chromosomes may effect the degree to which it manifests but the fact of it is clearly located elsewhere, else it wouldn’t have been possible for both women and men to possess it (unless it’s on the X, which both sexes have) If this is true, then m…	/r/MensRights	29/11/23 12:05 PM
3	Asking a woman how much a men should make to date her. Its always at least 200k You should absolutely take videos you see on Tiktok etc with a kilo of salt. Firstly, they will frequently engage in post interview editing. They may have asked 100 women but only showed the 5 that gave the answers they want. Second, many of the “normal women” in these clips are very clearly paid for their time. It’s precisely the same as the “candid clips” where a dude “randomly asks” a couple to allow each other to check their phones and “acts surprised” when the girl has someone in her DMs wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/23 07:34 AM
2	Red pill gets a lot of things wrong but the biggest lie is that younger women are sexually attracted to older men It’s not that women are attracted to age itself. They’re attracted to things that typically come with age: financial stability and resourcefulness confidence social standing A man’s physical attractiveness plays a part too yes, but it’s less of a “must have” than it is for men. Studies have shown this. Yea exceptions exist of course but when looking at generalised surveys (I believe the most recent was something like 13,000 people give or take; I’ll try to dig out the ref and add later), there i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/11/23 08:04 AM
6	Billie Eilish says that men don't face criticism over their bodies because women are nice. I don’t disagree with the general sentiments of your post but your point about men being able to “easily change” the perimeters of attraction isn’t true. Height, firstly. Also baldness. These aren’t things you can “fix” by mere personal effort, you need money and lots of it. And even then, men found to be using ways to “save” or salvage their hair is extremely taboo. So being bald is bad but employing methods to counter it is seen as pathetic because it signals vanity which is shamed in men big …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/11/23 10:12 AM
1	Which of these two men would have more dating success? GENERALLY In this hypothetical; the trad. But the hypothetical is bad faith because most “modern” men who reject the trad path and have a more egalitarian view, or are sympathetic of feminism are not fitting the rest of the description. Some are. Most women would pick the trad guy not necessarily because of his views or behaviour but merely because he presents more masculine. Thing is plenty of men who have the views of the first man can present the same. So it’s a bit of an extreme comparison and doesn’t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/23 06:43 PM
2	Is there such thing as luck in dating or is it all based on your accomplishments or hard work? Luck is very relevant. The skill (I suppose that’s what we should call it) is the ability to capitalise upon the luck you’re dealt. Because luck will favour everyone at some point but not everyone will realise the benefits of it or recognise fortune when it falls on their lap. So this is why despite luck being a pretty huge factor in meeting the right kind of person, not everyone “winds up partnered” because some people just can’t help but fumble what the universe tosses them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/23 02:18 PM
5	What's a common thing that girls do, that's annoying/insulting without them realizing it? I think also related to this is the understanding of task function for men. When performing tasks it’s not necessarily about doing X, but also it makes the man feel productive and useful which “keeps him in masculine”. So it’s important for women to understand that when a man says “no thanks” to an offer of help it doesn’t necessarily mean anything to do with him finding your help bad, or thinking you can’t do it. He just wants to do it himself because he enjoys feeling productive and useful and…	/r/MensRights	09/11/23 01:45 PM
15	What's a common thing that girls do, that's annoying/insulting without them realizing it? Agree. This is a big one for me. I have told nobody specific details of mine and my wife’s intimacy, even so much as inferring whenever and where it happens etc. These are sacred between me and her. Apparently women view the confidence of married partners differently. Confiding that n your wife often comes with the implied warning that her friends/female siblings may somehow come into not the information as well. It’s not like crime of the century I guess but as a relatively private person I fin…	/r/MensRights	09/11/23 01:39 PM
1	Discussion: Why is being “clingy” seen as a bad thing for men and women I think Clinginess in women varies wildly. I think a lot of men romanticise the idea of it because they’ve experienced avoidant women in dating and thus think the polar opposite is desirable, when in truth they probably just want someone who is actually available/attentive instead of avoidant. That doesn’t make Clinginess the “desired option” however. I think many men who say they desire clingy women haven’t had a successful relationship with one that persisted for a fair portion of time if at a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 11:11 PM
1	Discussion: Why is being “clingy” seen as a bad thing for men and women I think we need to take care to define words in objective terms rather than “by who uses them”. An avoidant describing someone as clingy doesn’t make that person clingy. The issue in that pairing is the avoidant. It seems bizarre to describe people are being clingy or not depending where n who they interact with. By that point the word ceases to say anything about a person at all. I mean, granted, everyone has different tolerances sure, and one person out there might love someone who demands the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 10:55 PM
3	Discussion: Why is being “clingy” seen as a bad thing for men and women I’m a man. I don’t believe it’s good for anyone to be clingy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 10:43 PM
2	Discussion: Why is being “clingy” seen as a bad thing for men and women Hmmm okay that clears things up but I don’t agree with your definition. Someone who wants to be around others/enjoys being with their partner but can do things on their own has a normal attachment style to me. Someone who is indifferent to whether they’re around their partner is avoidant and anxious is someone who will actively seek to minimise time apart from their partner because they dislike being apart (clingy). Someone who is comfortable being on their own away from their partner is not wha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 07:58 PM
2	Discussion: Why is being “clingy” seen as a bad thing for men and women What’s the difference? This is a good faith question because I can see in this thread there is a lot of blurring of terms going on some clarity in views would be appreciated. I use the codependency separation else there’s too little to distinguish Clinginess from being super attentive but non Codependent, and I don’t think most people would call a partner who is super attentive but non Co-dependent clingy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 03:07 PM
2	Discussion: Why is being “clingy” seen as a bad thing for men and women I never said “always into you” equals toxic and jealous. I never used those words at all. I explicitly said someone who is clingy not only wants to make you their entire world, they typically want the same in return. Such behaviours tend to overlap with jealousy sure, but at no point did I conflate someone being into even seriously you as being toxic. It is possible to be seriously into someone without them becoming the centre of your entire world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 03:04 PM
6	Discussion: Why is being “clingy” seen as a bad thing for men and women But clingy and close aren’t synonymous and a lot of people are behaving like they are. Clingy is literally codependency. They can’t be separated. Desiring a partner who values closeness isn’t the same as desiring someone who is clingy and behaving like anyone who doesn’t value clingy levels of closeness is avoidant is just lazy generalisations. For example me and my wife are very close and spend most of our time outside of work together. However she has some interests that aren’t to do with me a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 10:50 AM
2	Discussion: Why is being “clingy” seen as a bad thing for men and women I think a lot of (typically men) who romanticise clingy relationships or women have a very skewed view of what they are, and probably haven’t been in a relationship with someone who is actually clingy. I think in their minds it means a woman who is all about them when they want her to be about them. Which sounds fantastic. In truth it is a woman (or man) who is all about them and needs you to be all about them in return, irrespective of anything else. It’s not just you being their world, they es…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/23 10:34 AM
1	The men here fail because they refuse to take any risks It’s a view that may be held I accept but overwhelmingly I’d argue most women are more interested in the outcomes of lifting than the activity itself. If we flip the script it could be akin to women say beginning to make the fact they “apply makeup” a core part of their personality. Most men care more about the outcome than the process. They’re not going to find a woman talking about how she does makeup particularly interesting, so much as how the result looks. Additionally most men will assume …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/23 07:13 PM
5	The men here fail because they refuse to take any risks That’s exactly my point lol. Let the results talk. Yammering on about “how I lift” is pointless because the activity itself is boring. That’s precisely what I’m trying to say. Going on about how you lift or “hit the gym” doesn’t make you interesting or exciting. It is the RESULTS of these things that generate positivity, so mentioning whether you to them or not to “make yourself seem cooler” is in my opinion absolutely pointless and just comes across as unoriginal or clutching for things to say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/23 02:24 PM
5	The men here fail because they refuse to take any risks I know. My point is most men struggle to get beyond the initial message stage, a stage where what you claim is arguably more important than whether you actually do or not. And most men claim to “hit the gym” even if they’re lying or stretching the truth. It just doesn’t really have any semblance of impact on that initial “pick me! Pick me!” Effect. OLD is the primary medium here, and the fact is most men can’t get a reply to a DM. Or get a DM on their profile. Looks are absolutely part of it 100…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/23 02:16 PM
3	The men here fail because they refuse to take any risks I never said otherwise, I’m saying that’s not enough to make you stand out from a crowd of people claiming to do exactly the same if you don’t really emphasise much else about yourself. The fact is a lot of guys today mainly sell themselves by their job, and that they lift or do gym. Two things an ever increasing proportion of men do. Neither is bad at all but we need to accept that it doesn’t exactly make you stand out from everyone else. So it’s probably better to emphasise more distinct parts…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/23 02:00 PM
6	The men here fail because they refuse to take any risks I think it’s more about being distinct than the specifics of rugby or whatever. The point is the “lift weights” thing at this point is basically just background noise. It’s a “catch all” piece of advice men give each other and whilst it’s a good hobby to have for personal reasons acting like it is some kind of asset in dating is bizarre. It’s entirely neutral. The thing is most guys either do or claim to “lift” at the gym. Imagine you’re a woman scoping out the 1000 matches you got on an app. Wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/23 01:16 PM
3	Our biggest priority is to fix education and teaching male disparities. Not just within but also participation of the parents. I’ve chased this up with our school for my kids. Plenty of single mothers have their kids attend the school, they live off government assistance so they don’t work, or if they do it’s some online MLM bullshit. The school recently opened for participation in the PTA (Parent Teacher Association) basically a group where parents and teachers come together to strategise for the school. The hours they run meetings only occur during working hours, …	/r/MensRights	21/10/23 08:11 AM
3	CMV: Male spaces are losing because they won’t kick out those who don’t want help. But what about the points they raised socially? You keep going back to this idea of it being “men complaining about words and a barbie movie.” Why don’t you actually address the point that was given to you like education for example? Men have fallen behind women massively in education and degree completion and participation in education. This has nothing to do with being scared of words. To the boy who has teachers that downgrade him compared to girls on average, who are keen to teach in ways th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 08:02 AM
1	CMV: Male spaces are losing because they won’t kick out those who don’t want help. I think awareness helps but there is a distinct difference between raising helpful awareness and just complaining. Okay, so with men’s spaces and discussions, optics is a huge thing. Men do not get the benefit of not giving much care to how they air their woes, because else they risk their points being conflated with misogyny and simply dismissed. So careful care needs to be taken to HOW one decides to complain. So I’d argue the point stands largely, most don’t actually end up helping because co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 07:42 AM
1	CMV: Too many men place their respect for women above their respect for themselves Whoa, I said “one of” not “most important or only” so there’s no need to start soapboxing like I’m some bleeding heart MRA apologist who is trying to convince people of “the mobility of a mission nobody else gets”. Like, chill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 05:44 PM
6	Are men really not attracted to fat girls? Yes, it appears to come down to genetics in that sense. It sounds shallow but honesty is honesty. I find the hourglass shape attractive and the weight of the woman who possesses it is largely immaterial so long as that shape is visible, so she doesn’t need a stick thin waist, just a proportionally smaller waist than her hips and chest for me to find it attractive. Not to say it’s essential as my dating history clearly belies this, but on the balance of the partners who I found more physically my…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 05:13 PM
16	Are men really not attracted to fat girls? The "mom bod" is absolutely a thing. It usually refers to women who carry an extra bit of weight which gives them a soft build around their stomachs and hips, resulting in stuff like a slight muffin top for example but otherwise still retaining a relatively feminine figure regarding "hourglass" considerations. So they won't have a narrow and teeny waist necessarily but they'll have defined hips and chest with their soft build.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 03:05 PM
2	Are men really not attracted to fat girls? That’s a good example. One situation will invariably cause immediate “fatness issue” in a way the other will not. Doesn’t mean I’m saying guys should give women 300+ a chance if they don’t wanna. That’s up to them! I’m merely saying I think the “hard line” that is presented with men having an issue with weight by de facto position is a caricature, and more often than not their scale “slides” as it were based upon a variety of factors such as how she carries the weight, how it appears to impact h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 03:00 PM
8	Are men really not attracted to fat girls? Well, regular life is in air quotes for a reason to allow some variation here. So what you're describing is like where one cannot live independently. What I mean by "regular life" is they will avoid or have problems with activities many would consider normal, but it doesn't necessarily mean they need help (but that would be part of it too). So like for example someone who avoids socialising a lot or "going out" because they're self conscious of their weight, or refuses to do anything outdoors, o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 02:37 PM
2	Women deserve their credit Ehh? Some inventions of history surely were inspired by things such as beauty, yes, but I think you're grossly exaggerating things here. For starts, much art of which focuses on the woman in history was inspired by abstract ideals about beauty and it's relationship to reality rather than "this woman is beautiful let me do this thing". Much of it also merely viewed women as a subject, not as inspiration. The inspiration in many cases was actually divine (religion) and it was an attempt to imitate…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 02:32 PM
1	Are men really not attracted to fat girls? Indeed, with regards to the body positivity movement the term "curvy" tends to be applied by accordance of weight rather than build, which I disagree with. Curvy is a shape, not a weight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 02:13 PM
4	Are men really not attracted to fat girls? But how does that work if a woman has stomach fat and still proportionally speaking her chest, hips and buttocks render the hourglass? I’d argue that such a woman still isn’t considered “unattractive fat” because it’s more about the presentation of her figure overall than specifics about where some fat is specifically. More so where is it in relation to the rest?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 01:51 PM
1	CMV: Too many men place their respect for women above their respect for themselves I disagree with the notion of advising men to stop caring about others. However, I actually agree with the general thrust of the point that too many men place their anticipation of the thoughts and feelings of women above their own self-care and self-respect and it actually serves as a detriment in many ways. This is one of the reasons the comparative movement of "men's rights" and such has failed to gain a lot of traction compared to feminism. So many men seem completely unable to divorce their…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 01:41 PM
2	Do you think people are naturally attracted to people that look like them? Disagree. I'm a white man. I'm average height with a slender but columnar build (not specially muscular but lightly toned because I cycle a lot), I have pretty "sharp" facial features, strong nose, strong jawline. I'm bald. My dress style is probably overly-formal and ages me a bit. My wife is black, has an explosion of natural curly hair. Softer features, heavier but feminine build. Much more relaxed and vibrant style of dress. Before my wife I dated a Malaysian girl who was pretty different to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 01:28 PM
1	Are men really not attracted to fat girls? I wouldn't word it exactly as you said it. Attractiveness, yes, i'd agree. But femininity? Plenty of women with curves are considered to be extremely feminine? That is definitely a thing and has been for quite some time now. I'm not talking about women with the build of a sphere, but women who carry "a bit extra" but have pretty significant curves are absolutely considered feminine more so than women without said curves. There is a reason why in adult videos many of the women alter themselves to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 01:17 PM
9	Are men really not attracted to fat girls? This. The term "fat" needs to be defined more clearly. If "fat" means "objectively overweight" then it's not clear because plenty of men find such women with voluptuous figures very attractive, because the woman doesn't "appear fat". If the term means "having a build resembling a sphere" then the answer is probably no in most, but not all cases. I think saying that men inherently find (or should find) overweight women unattractive ignores the fact weight can present in a lot of different ways fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 01:02 PM
63	Are men really not attracted to fat girls? This is a "YMMV" question. I think as a general rule, if a woman's weight causes her to be unable to live "a regular life" and results in slovenly habits or requiring extra care, yeah, universally most men probably aren't going to be signing up outside of a few "especially interested parties". When it comes to a woman being overweight but none of the above applying, I don't think it's safe to say it's a general rule. Weight distribution is extremely -variable for example and people carry their w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 11:28 AM
0	As a woman there really isn’t any way to win in dating Indeed. This assumes men date hypergamously which isn’t necessarily the case. Do men go for their “best option”? Yes. That doesn’t mean though they believe it’s their “best option right now” and they have an eye to upgrade. When men cheat generally it is not usually for reasons like “upgrading” a partner. Generally it’s because of receiving validation and easy access to sex. Men are more inherently sexual than women so opportunity cheating is way more common. It doesn’t mean men think the woman …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 11:12 AM
5	Any Tinder experiments that prove blue pills or disprove red pills? What is the criteria here? Interest in relationship or hookup/casual date? It's clear to define what is being looked for here, ie do you mean "Men look for women with X and Y for long-term relationships" or "men look for women with X and Y for casual dating" because those are very different. And the significance is where you'll look for data. Using Tinder to determine ANYTHING about what people want from long-term relationships is extremely iffy. For example people prioritising an attractive pro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 09:52 AM
2	As a woman there really isn’t any way to win in dating You make a point which is often overlooked. Men who are considered "rather unglamourous" compared to chad aren't immune to cheating. In fact there's plenty of evidence to suggest these "regular joes" do it proportionally as much within their field of opportunity as the jetsetting chad does within his. Typically such men have lower self-esteem which means positive attention from women is often more difficult for him to resist (not impossible mind, character always comes into it). But like, i've k…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 09:40 AM
3	As a woman there really isn’t any way to win in dating This whole sub is about debating the different dating "pills". So I wouldn't say the sub is "about it" so much as it's about people discussing whether such ideas are true or not. This is not the place to come to make redpill statements like that and just hope nobody will disagree. In fact i'd argue the point is the opposite; people who come here should expect challenge.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 09:29 AM
6	As a woman there really isn’t any way to win in dating I'd argue the common denominator in who says that is being an idiot rather than being a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 09:22 AM
5	As a woman there really isn’t any way to win in dating Yes, because the entire population of men is made of two types only: Unfaithful Chads and average joes who only stick with women because of lack of better options. /s	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 08:59 AM
10	As a woman there really isn’t any way to win in dating How are these the only two options in dating? You're just creating a bizarre false dilemma for no reason. ie all attractive men will cheat and all men who are loyal only do so for X reason (and aren't attractive). Like, it's like you've walked onto a grocery aisle in a supermarket and just randomly declared "ONE CAN ONLY HAVE CABBAGE OR ONIONS" but you haven't really explained why people can't pick the cauliflowers they see, or the leeks. You're simply acting like they don't exist because...well…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/23 08:50 AM
1	What do women mean when they say they're attracted to intelligence? The comment about intelligence allowing one to command or lead is absolutely on point. Well directed intelligence that is deployed as a resource (rather than as an opportunity to show off) comes across as a very genuine form of competence and capability and it signals a person as being dependable and good in a crisis. Things men are traditionally valued for. The key with intelligence isn’t really the “what” n my opinion it’s the “how”. How it is displayed or deployed seems to make the biggest di…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 09:39 AM
1	What do women mean when they say they're attracted to intelligence? Intelligence in the sense of weaponised intelligence. So basically intelligence that is purposefully directed and used successfully and practically. Not just “random facts and information” intelligence. A good measure of this is wit. Wit often requires someone to be very perceptive, quick and also good with wordplay and memory of interactions to flourish. Wit often appears charming (where it isn’t overdone) and is probably one of the more amenable forms of high intelligence that many people like…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 09:31 AM
14	Statistics on lesbian relationships prove that women are the problem more often than we'd like to admit I see what people are trying to say but I find the premise rather iffy. Essentially people are saying that lesbian women are somehow fundamentally different to straight women from a cultural point of view which makes comparisons with their behaviour and straight behaviour completely inappropriate. Whilst I’m not going to sit here and claim lesbians and straight women are basically identical sans sexual orientation, I think claiming they’re different to the point of excluding them from being a co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 09:17 AM
12	Statistics on lesbian relationships prove that women are the problem more often than we'd like to admit Projection, sure, nobody should project minority stats onto majorities (as often seems to be fine versus men). But I’d be very cautious with the general line of thinking that you’re suggesting here that because they’re a minority lesbians somehow don’t represent women in a wider sense. The many lesbian campaigners who helped develop feminism might take umbrage with such a view. They’re not the majority, sure, but it doesn’t mean they can be ignore or deemed “not to represent women”. Minorities m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 09:03 AM
23	Statistics on lesbian relationships prove that women are the problem more often than we'd like to admit No. But when it comes to gender comparisons, what else can you do? Unless you’re suggesting that women being lesbian means they cannot be considered the same gender as straight women? Which is a very interesting thing to say. Nobody was saying “gay and straight women are exactly the same!” However, they are both women, are they not? And I’d be very careful about stereotyping lesbians as en masse “not behaving like ‘straight women’ so they don’t really count.” Because that could be seen as a deni…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 08:58 AM
1	your physical/material attributes aren’t the reason why people don’t want to date you. cmv! Isn’t this assuming that all the men in the online dating sphere must have amazing or good personalities? That’s the only way their theory is debunked. And personality does “come across” in online dating even if it’s to a lesser extent than IRL. People will infer about your personality based on your profile. Alternatively even if we take the “OLD excludes personality entirely” route, we could make the argument that the apparently difference in success between OLD that men have (with no personali…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/23 07:09 AM
2	Thoughts on the idea that for women attracting men is less about what you are but what do you ? Agree. I find it bizarre to cut such a hard distinction between “what you are” and “who you are”. Personality and perception by others is a mixture of both. We don’t have the ability to see into other peoples minds so we use observations of their behaviour to infer what we think they’re like until we have experience of them directly. If I went into a building every day, changed into a firefighter uniform and spent the day fighting fires for money and then went home, you’d rightly conclude I’m pr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/10/23 07:51 AM
5	Being engaged (thus not pursuing other women) has me unsure of my attractiveness. Is this a common issue for married men who aren't actively cheating? Married man here. No I do not suffer from this problem. So long as my wife maintains her interest and passion in me, I couldn’t give two shits what some random woman thinks. They’re not my wife. What they think of me is utterly irrelevant. Stop obsessing over what random people/you think of yourself in terms of looks. It’s your partners opinion who matters here. You will self sabotage your relationship because of your neuroticism.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 10:36 PM
14	What do you think of the very common idea of "any woman who rejects you because of your height is a shallow woman who is not worth it anyway"? This. Like I don’t know why people are trying to argue how calling people shallow is wrong, or a “cope”. Stuff like this IS shallow. It’s a fact. But it’s how we as humans are; we’re attracted to both deep and superficial qualities in people. It’s not a crime. And it’s certainly not worth pretending that you’re some ethereal being who isn’t at all attracted to any shallow qualities or that your physical preferences somehow aren’t shallow. I’d call bollocks on that. Call it what it is and make pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 04:58 PM
8	What do you think of the very common idea of "any woman who rejects you because of your height is a shallow woman who is not worth it anyway"? Not saying it’s right or wrong or whatever, preferences are preferences. But if you are rejecting someone solely for their height, and none of their other attributes were objectionable. Yes, in my opinion that is shallow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 03:02 PM
2	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? I believe they’re both coping, I merely said I feel the redpill is coping more. It’s in my opening sentence. If your takeaway from that is I think the blue pill is some kind of victorious measure where the red pill fails I’d suggest you actually read it again instead of whatever this comment was an attempt at? Also what on earth are you on about “hasnt realised you’re debating blackpillers”? I literally finish my comment with a recognition that the redpiller stuff I’m going after isn’t the “prop…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/23 11:40 AM
1	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? It’s entirely possible that’s true. I’m only going by what people here have said which is that the blue pill is basically “what the red pill isn’t” and some have offered a definition like it’s viewing the dating dynamics as “being subject to the social/cultural mores of the time” rather than a set of objective truths. That the current societal norms revolve around feminism doesn’t mean then that the blue pill is necessarily feminist. It simply means that at the moment it is. The blue pill 1000 y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 07:19 PM
6	Why do people choose their spouses based on physical attraction rather than love? Because love develops over time. So it’s natural love isn’t used as an initial selector. Love is also quite unpredictable, and subject to instances of interaction with others to manifest. You can’t just pick someone on an assessment of “qualities they have I’ll probably love” because it is the potential manifestation of those qualities into behaviour which generates the love (and they may not at all) rather than the mere traits of them arising. Example: Part of why I love my wife is she is affec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 07:13 PM
0	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? I dunno, I’d make a distinction between them myself. I think you really just muddy the waters if you treat feminism and blue pill as the same ideology. The blue pill emerges from a society that embraces feminism but it doesn’t mean it is feminism. In the same way the red pill has emerged in a society that embraces feminism, it doesn’t make the red pill feminism. It’s just there is more compatibility between feminism and blue pill (like how there is a lot of compatibility between redpill and trad…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 07:01 PM
1	CMV: In order to be deemed “likable” someone else has to like you And I think this distinction is key because a lot of people “lock themselves out of dating” (men especially) because they behave like the lack of the thing at current is proof that the thing will forever lack. It fails to recognise there may be many reasons someone hasn’t been able to see how likeable they are. Lack of personality is but one. Inability or reluctance to socialise is a really big one and significant one as many of the men who describe themselves as “unlovable” are terminally onlin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 06:57 PM
0	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? Is that BP or is that liberal social and identity theory? I don’t think we can call “the blue pill” the entirety of progressive western ideology. The blue pill is a symptom of it, it isn’t the cause.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 06:55 PM
3	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? Don’t think I’m wrong, show me. The feminism part (4th wave at least) I don’t disagree with you, but BP and feminism aren’t the same thing. At all. Feminism is acceptance of a set of ideas. Blue pill is usually simply defined as rejection of redpill ones. It doesn’t have “a creed” in this sense. If you have evidence to the contrary I’d love to see.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 06:53 PM
1	CMV: In order to be deemed “likable” someone else has to like you Not what I said. I said anticipating what about you other people might like is more important in assessing likability than whether people actually do. Example: Let’s take a guy with X Y and Z traits. In a crowd of his peers he would be relatively likeable. As chance happens, this guy is crippled by social anxiety and avoids socialising with his peers after class. Nobody has really interacted with him which causes him to believe he is unlikable. This reinforces his desire to avoid people. In trut…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 06:41 PM
1	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? Blue pill is too lacking in direction to grift. How can you grift and exploit people when you’re not really telling them to do anything in particular? Unless I’ve missed a massive surge of private providers of “emotional literacy for men” (which could be a thing, maybe I missed it?) I’m not seeing the money angle here. I see the societal one, but not the “let’s squeeze em for cash” angle. Unless of course you’re talking about women…? I think some of the blue pill foundational points (so the stuf…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 06:30 PM
1	CMV: In order to be deemed “likable” someone else has to like you I agree with you. To claim it as a fact is rather silly without testing. I think what I’m trying to say is it’s one thing to recognise that a lot of this lies with other people, but one must be careful to not use that as an excuse to not engage in any form of anticipation at all and just leave attraction entirely down to “other people” even when one is aware that they may lack traits that others on average find attractive. It’s possible to engage in a form of prep work without claiming it “makes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 06:26 PM
1	CMV: In order to be deemed “likable” someone else has to like you I would say it’s not the literal act of someone liking you, rather the hypothetical notion someone will. You possess the qualities of being likeable (that which generates the like in others) irrespective of whether they know you or not, them meeting you only creates a response to the qualities, it doesn’t create the qualities in the first instance. Now, this does make the self identifying stuff difficult as you say, but it does mean there is “something to be done” rather than letting them have a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 06:16 PM
0	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? Who said anything about them using that knowledge to create happy ever afters? I mean it would be monetised in a more sophisticated grift than the current redpill grift scene. That doesn’t mean it results in them coupling people up. Also the knowledge of attraction would be used for contexts even outside dating to market things to single women and men more successfully than current. I don’t imagine capitalism would be beneficent. As you said there’s no profit in it. But what they certainly would…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 06:06 PM
0	AF/BB is true and it's a rational strategy for women Well, I never said why Chad likes himself, I simply said he does. Why he does isn’t the focal point of my statement, it’s the fact he does. I consider that to be more significant than the reason why. It could be because of his looks. Some will conclude “therefore his looks are the important part” whereas I was saying that understates the significant of the result of him liking himself that flows from that and solicits further positive reinforcement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 05:12 PM
4	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? I would argue those things are not blue pill because the pills are concerned with dating dynamics and none of those (maybe the first?) have anything to do with dating. The blue pill is basically dating and relationship truisms that exclude red and black pill thoughts. It isn’t statements that relate to any gender outside of redpill ideology. For example moral character or legal standing. I don’t disagree there are societal messages and facets that do enforce the “women are wonderful effect” but …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 04:56 PM
5	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? I don’t think blue pill advocates that women can do no wrong. That’s an exaggeration. Rather it advocates that women are diverse in their preferences and will generally act in vague accordance with societal whims, which at the minute point towards them needing less of the “traditional provider” stuff and wanting more of the “emotionally attuned” type. They want their input to be valued and they want guys to listen to them rather than assume about them. It’s essentially respect of autonomy. It is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 04:29 PM
2	Passport broing at home by targeting poor immigrants I can see that yes. If one is traditionally minded, what makes people think they’re gonna go “ah yes, let me date someone from outside my culture, with no idea how my culture works, because money! So I can perform the traditional role they don’t fit into and have no idea how it works!” Like, what? Maybe in some cases but generally no. Immigrant women who are open to partners from different cultures are probably going to be overall on the less traditional side.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 04:15 PM
3	Passport broing at home by targeting poor immigrants Yeah I think there’s this expectation that differs from reality. The reputations of such women are often fierce because their expectations don’t just stop at a man making money, they expect him to move in a certain way and behave a certain way. And I’m not sure these tech Bros with money to spare necessarily fit that ideal. Like they might be good enough to earn temporary interest in terms of being provided for, but women from these countries often seek very traditional men, which means very tra…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 04:13 PM
1	Do red pill podcasts need to bring on average guys? This is a social phenomenon observed well before redpill started it though, and hasn’t been given nearly as much thought until now. Let’s take something rather innocuous in the west like having a car, or having a job. If you go back far enough, people wouldn’t necessarily expect either of these things in either sex, especially women. Nowadays, we kind of assume. It’s just how expectations change as society evolves. Men can say “yeah but women don’t need either” but honestly, would the average ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 04:02 PM
17	So who is really trying to fool themselves? Red or Blue? For me the Redpill is huffing the delusional copium a bit harder than blue pill for one reason. Blue pill rarely makes objective claims about reality. It’s claims are vague as fuck which always leaves some degree of “maybe it will maybe it won’t” which leads to a lack of direction but ultimately it isn’t presented as a “cheat code” that explains everything. Red pill makes a lot of claims about how people behave and what they will do. There are people in this sub who make massive claims about peo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 03:46 PM
4	Passport broing at home by targeting poor immigrants It’s more about if these women are traditional in the sense of “man breadwins I housewife” they’re not really the sort who are going to move overseas to seek employment are they? They’ll probably still welcome a man providing for them but clearly the idea of being totally traditional isn’t as strong if they’ll uproot from their culture to take on the onus of providing for themselves overseas. As another poster said most women who immigrate do so with a partner or they have one back home. Those t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 03:34 PM
8	Passport broing at home by targeting poor immigrants Bad strategy. If someone is willing to match you with friends of theirs without knowing you very well and you not knowing them very well it means the foundation of your relationship is going to be your ability to financially care for that individual. The fact the individual has immigrated shows they have the mindset to self improve and break “traditional norms” so what you’re getting is probably a woman who is interested in you for your money but doesn’t actually demonstrate the traditional valu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 01:22 PM
3	AF/BB is true and it's a rational strategy for women Does the AF/BB model not assume women’s desires don’t change however? It assumes that women continue to desire A and simply settle for B, when could it not be possible when they age they desire B instead? When you look at infidelity In married couples within the age group concerned from women, it is not universal that women cheat with “A”. Many of the guys they cheat with are technically losers compared to their husband on the A front as well as the B front. How does AF/BB explain this behaviour…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 12:15 PM
2	CMV: There was never an expectation to have sex early or to have an "active sex life". Who came up with that? Point them out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 12:06 PM
5	CMV: There was never an expectation to have sex early or to have an "active sex life". Who came up with that? Many claims here: “I think it can cause mental instability” “Procurements often require insincerity and deception” “…detachment of emotional connection…” “…motivated by willingness to exploit the body…” My question. How the hell do you know any of that? These are assumptions dressed up in fancy prose to sound more authoritative. WHY do you think casual sex causes mental instability (and what are you defining that as? Proof?) HOW do you know most casual sexual encounters require deception to begi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 11:52 AM
9	Do you split costs in a relationship 50/50? It has varied. At the start of our relationship I paid for most things (but not all) because I earned more. I chose to pay for dates because I was happy to. As our relationship evolved and we have children, our perspectives shifted. I realised I was more paternal than I thought I imagined and my wife became disillusioned with her current career. We used some savings to allow her to retrain into a new career which changed her hours from being “child friendly” into otherwise. I adapted my hours at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 11:29 AM
4	UK Minister/politician Nick Fletcher publicly supports creating a "Minister For Men" I think the most concerning point here is what is defined as “issues affecting men”. For some of us here that could be stuff like lack of equal parental leave and priority, family court stuff, lack of male educational achievement etc. For the government, they could say it’s “toxic masculinity” or “misogynistic attitudes”. The creation of the post is only a net good if and only if it is interested in exploring mens issues they experience as men and not (as is commonly performed) they’re defined a…	/r/MensRights	11/10/23 10:45 AM
4	AF/BB is true and it's a rational strategy for women I’m with you on this. The hardest part of any of these pills for me to swallow is just how utterly depressing and misanthropic their view of the world is. Everyone seems to be better than you, you’re disposable, you’re a placeholder, you have no inherent value. And on the back of what? Some anecdotes some guy who “knows what he is talking about” spins? It’s no wonder there’s an issue with men finding issues dating women when so many of them are insanely neurotic, insecure and just show all the s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 10:10 AM
–	Why SHOULDN'T I treat marriage like a job? I think this is a big miscalculation. It’s commonly stereotyped that men want sex and sex alone. It’s not true. The biggest thing men get from relationships with women is emotional intimacy, because they don’t tend to get it anywhere else. Sex can be a form of emotional intimacy or product of it. You only need to look at subs like deadbedrooms to see this. It isn’t just lack of sex men grieve, it is the sense their partner is actually into them, actually desires them, wants them, wants to be wit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 09:28 AM
3	What Metrics “Should” Women be attracted to? Dehumanising is absolutely a thing in those expressions but we cannot pretend that men don’t experience the same from women. Being called “Brokie” “loser” or “bum” for not making lots of money (so you make enough, just not tons) or being called stingy or Scrooge because you are frugal and not into spending lavishly. To classify the entirety of a person as “a bum” on the basis of a single item of information is dehumanising. The “want a real man” in reference to men’s height not being tall enough…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 08:40 AM
1	Do red pill podcasts need to bring on average guys? Then why is the average guy called a “loser” on these podcasts? If he’s getting laid with someone who makes him satisfied what’s the issue? It seems like the only way to not be defined as a loser is to be hypothetically able to bang any woman you want to which the vast majority of men will never be able to do. Plenty of average men get sex through relationships. Why does that not count?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 08:30 AM
3	Do red pill podcasts need to bring on average guys? Because it could potentially be problematic if they bring in an average guy and when they’re busy saying “average guy is invisible” that average guy pipes up and says something like “yeah but I get dates, maybe not with supermodels but I get dates”. It would destroy their entire narrative if they actually had a counterpoint sitting there. I mean we see it here all the time. Some guy posts how only “10-20% of men get action” people say “look outside, look at the streets” and they go “where’s the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 07:20 AM
2	Being short it s a huge problem in males Being interesting is about more than numerous hobbies, although they help. It’s about being able to make encounters with you distinctive, yet positive. So for example a guy could have 20 hobbies, but if his approach is to list them like a badge of medals it won’t necessarily lead to an interesting encounter. His better bet would be leading with a couple where there’s more to say and some possible stories involved. Also hobbies that are more generalised. By that I mean they invite questioning int…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/10/23 06:44 AM
6	Being short it s a huge problem in males Respect based on a physique is overrated and superficial anyway. Some of the takes in this sub are just nothing more than confidence killers for guys. As if we don’t have enough shit to deal with without every second “pilled” guy telling people they’re fucking doomed romantically because of X or Y. Jesus Christ. According to many on this sub I should be perpetually alone. I’m 5 8 on a good day and I’ve been bald since 18. I’m not rich and I’m not jacked. I have guys who can’t get laid here telli…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/23 10:51 PM
2	I just wanna point out, feminists hate autistic men with a passion, do not think they're allies, neither are most hardcore progressives tbh, autism affects white men the most, therefore challenging the notion of the ''white male'' privilege narrative, I will offer more context in the OP If you have a diagnosis, the legislation is very easy. If you’re diagnosed, you’re legally recognised as disabled. At least in my country (UK). Accommodations and adjustments can be issued for workplace at least, but not social interactions. Makes sense. The government shouldn’t legislate over private interactions, and expecting them to is crazy in my opinion. It’s when you’re not diagnosed you have a problem. I’d be asking though how someone knows for sure they’re autistic if they’re not diagno…	/r/MensRights	10/10/23 10:39 PM
2	Should sexual education be taught in schools? Yes it should. But focus on facts. How each organ functions. How to care for the organs How sex works (hetero) Alternative forms of sex Biological consequences of heterosexual sex Safe sex masturbation potential issues with the organs all of above with pretext of importance of consent. Anything political or “theory inclined” should be avoided. A sex Ed class doesn’t need to teach kids about the distribution of sexual violence or what sexual assault is. If you teach them what sex is effectively, …	/r/MensRights	10/10/23 01:38 PM
3	I see a lot of feminists I know posting "violence is the result of oppression" re the Hamas attacks. Do they use the same logic when pointing out that men commit most violent crime? Of course those there bear responsibility but this treatment of the issue in media as “some evil people did an evil thing because they’re just evil, call them evil with us” is just annoying beyond belief. Hamas isn’t even Palestine. That’s the joke. Hamas is a militant group that whilst Palestine isn’t aggressively condemning, they don’t directly support either. Yet Israel is attacking Palestinians under their occupancy. Yes, Hamas hide within them, but this isn’t “country versus country” here. …	/r/MensRights	10/10/23 11:14 AM
13	I see a lot of feminists I know posting "violence is the result of oppression" re the Hamas attacks. Do they use the same logic when pointing out that men commit most violent crime? The whole situation is fucked. It is absolutely pointless to focus on “who shall we condemn today?” Like the media seems to think is the most important question. Condemning ain’t gonna do shit to stop it. It’s a situation wrapped in so much corruption, nastiness and crusty crap that looking at it as cops and robbers is just pointless. I saw this as a Brit. Honestly it’s my countries fault this whole goddamn mess started, and then we have a complete anal focus on making sure that everyone we inte…	/r/MensRights	10/10/23 10:14 AM
26	I just wanna point out, feminists hate autistic men with a passion, do not think they're allies, neither are most hardcore progressives tbh, autism affects white men the most, therefore challenging the notion of the ''white male'' privilege narrative, I will offer more context in the OP That doesn’t change its status as something requiring accommodations though due to impact. It’s still a disability even if we think of it as “being extremely male to the point of detriment” Pregnancy is arguably “femaleness”, yet law is required to accommodate pregnant women due to the effects. No different. Regardless of what it is called. At least to the reasonably minded.	/r/MensRights	10/10/23 10:06 AM
1	Why is Hannah "Pearl" Davis of Justpearlythings still single? Few reasons: 1) Her views attract only the kind of men who have standards that exclude her. She thinks divorce should be illegal and women shouldn’t vote. Proper “off the end of the platform” traditionalist views. Even right wing thumping traditionalist men find “divorce should be illegal” hard to stomach. The kind of men who would humour those kind of ideas want the Stepford Wife and that isn’t her. 2) It would further encumber her already encumbered approach to making hot takes. It’s been reve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/23 06:59 AM
6	Why do people vilify emotions and feelings? Thank you!	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 08:00 PM
7	Why do people vilify emotions and feelings? The source of maladaptive emotions is irrelevant when considering their impact. At the end of the day, the question is “do I want these maladaptive emotions to change?”. That question doesn’t really change in quality whether you are the source of the Ill or not. Same thing for the “who’s to blame??” It misses the point. The one who bears responsibility for their emotions is the individual, therefore they are the only one who can change them. So it makes little sense to waste time blaming other p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 07:48 PM
10	Why do people vilify emotions and feelings? Probably because emotions influence thoughts and behaviour. This is a well known aspect of most forms of psychological therapy and is one of the basis points for CBT (changing one of these things can change the others). So if someone has emotions like jealousy, that will likely influence their behaviour. There could many outcomes; accusing their partner of cheating, stewing, flirting with others, bringing up “faithfulness” chats all the time. All of these are behaviours likely motivated by that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 07:24 PM
6	What actually is a "High Value Male" What women would be prepared to provide the most to A HVM in a relationship doesn’t cease to be so (assuming nothing changes about him) if he keeps to having sex only with his partner, so measuring whether a man is HVM by the amount of women giving him sex is incorrect. I’d say it is the amount of women who would be hypothetically willing to have him as an intimate partner (which implies more than sex). Even if HVM are in relationships and women aren’t willing to homewreck (or him cheat) you wil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 04:37 PM
4	If "love" is primarily conditional on transactions, wealth, education, etc., then it's not really love. So what's the point? All love is subject to conditions. It doesn’t diminish the value of it however, that comes down to what the conditions are. Conditions that pertain to our human dignity and respecting it, also nurturing etc tend to be equated with “real love” whereas conditions that instead satisfy superficial desires tend to be viewed as “lesser”. At the end of the day it’s up to individuals to work out what their conditions are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 09:02 AM
4	Most young men are red pilled This is what I’m trying to work out. Because if the mere idea that men and women “sexually strategise in different ways” is red pilling; that means that someone claiming that “women look for personality whereas men don’t as much” is redpill, and most redpill material I’ve come across is vehemently opposed to the idea that “work on your personality Bro” is enough. They seem to think there are specific differences. I think the “difference point” is too vague to classify something as redpill. This …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 06:16 AM
1	How is misandry different from other forms of biogtry in a way that make it acceptable? Point to where I said they were? I specifically cited misogyny in the context of women being historically inferior to men in the eyes of society which is the exact opposite of what you’re saying I said. My point is you’re saying “women act this way because that’s how history was” but for some reason that very same history doesn’t explain why some men may hold these throwback views, instead they freely choose it. I’m not saying I think you’re right or wrong, I’m asking on what basis can you say “…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/23 06:06 AM
11	Most young men are red pilled Surely the “what” of inner sexual dynamics is needing to be clarified as well? Otherwise each and every sexual psychologist for example would technically be “redpilled” including those who make conclusions that are different from each other? I agree it is clearly an interdisciplinary philosophy but there must be some unifying canon of thought; similar to how Positivists say can be of the biological/psychological/sociological persuasion but they’re united by some common ideas that cause them to b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 08:40 PM
65	Most young men are red pilled Surely this depends on how strictly you’re defining redpill thinking? I mean I’d argue it’s possible to have discrete thoughts that may coincide with redpill thinking but it doesn’t mean that someone is necessarily an adherent of redpill philosophy. So what exactly are the minimum requirements to classify someone as “redpilled”? I only say this to avoid the historical “I believe in gender equality” “So you’re a feminist then” type generalisation. Because obviously not everyone who believes in ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 07:33 PM
8	UK: Sir Keir Starmer pledges to 'drain the swamp' of hate and inequality and take on tech companies creating 'toxic attitudes' towards women in speech at Labour conference. OP: The left wing Labour party really do hate men. Keri Starmer is about as pointed of direction as a windsock. He will say whatever he feels is necessary to get his audience nodding along. He’s already demonstrated he is willing to climb down on early-made manifesto promises when it comes to pleasing groups he feels have greater potential to get him “in the seat”. Not that the tories are any better. British politics has been a case of “promise whatever to get in, disregard if it works” for a long time now. It’s merely a question of who you can …	/r/MensRights	07/10/23 06:16 PM
7	Queen vs Prince It’s largely due to “interpretation of rank” In traditional systems of monarchy the established order was typically king > queen. A king marries someone who becomes his queen. Queen is an inferior rank and does not outrank him. He is the reigning monarch. Formally those who marry a king and do not become queen by direct act of royal ascension are “Queen Consort” but often it is short handed to queen because it is understood the king rank is still superior. When the opposite happens (A queen asce…	/r/MensRights	07/10/23 05:25 PM
1	How is misandry different from other forms of biogtry in a way that make it acceptable? It’s a variant of the same thing yes. A refusal to see the specific demographic tint of certain issues and just reframing them as a “well this affects everyone”. Nobody said otherwise! Just a bit of focus on the group most affected without distracting to other groups would be nice!!! The issue is today people seem to interpret “taking about how an issue affects one specific group” as equal to “I don’t think the other groups should be considered at all” which is just dumb.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 05:18 PM
4	Is there a crossover “place”between intersectional feminism and the men’s rights movement? That may be the case in your experience, but it isn’t the case for all men. They have experienced women calling themselves feminists shouting them and men’s issues down, and to simply go “oh not all feminists do that tho” and expect them to then behave as if no feminists behave like that is akin to asking women to stop treating men with caution on the basis they’ve had bad experiences with men, because “not all men are like that”. This is very much one of those “get your house in order” situatio…	/r/MensRights	07/10/23 04:11 PM
1	How is misandry different from other forms of biogtry in a way that make it acceptable? Excellent post. Especially the noting of cognitive dissonance re: photoshop impression vs poster impression. Absolutely right on that one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 03:14 PM
2	How is misandry different from other forms of biogtry in a way that make it acceptable? I mean my main bone of contention with the maaate campaign has nothing to do with the aim, which I feel is fine. We shouldn’t aim for a society where harassment is okay. However like you stated I feel like the method is questionable. Honestly I don’t think the kind of men who engage in this behaviour are going to be persuaded otherwise because a series of posters around London tell them not to, I also think if men keep company with men like this and consider them friends, a poster is unlikely to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 02:20 PM
4	How is misandry different from other forms of biogtry in a way that make it acceptable? …. My point was the LACK of telling other bad actors to stop being jerks by virtue of different gender could be considered bigotry towards groups on basis of gender. I don’t have a problem with anti social behaviour campaigns directed at men telling them to stop being arseholes to women. I do not feel that such campaigns are “bigoted against men”. I never said any of that so please stop replying like I’ve tried to make that point. My point was it could be considered systemic bigotry that there i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 11:40 AM
2	How is misandry different from other forms of biogtry in a way that make it acceptable? I was replying to a question asking about “systemic bigotry”. I never claimed it was an example of misandry. I was offering examples of things that could be considered systemic bigotry. Irrespective “surprise at a point being made” isn’t really a robust counter is it? Kinda like the men of yore who went “I can’t believe a woman would dare to ask for the vote!!!!” Their stance says nothing about the quality of the point the women were making nor refutes it, only speaking to their own personal ina…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 11:32 AM
4	How is misandry different from other forms of biogtry in a way that make it acceptable? Did I say stop the maaate campaign? Or that it’s not necessary? Or that preventing the behaviour it aims to “harms men”. Please quote where I did. How about you focus on the points I’m actually making rather than wasting time building strawmen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 11:05 AM
7	How is misandry different from other forms of biogtry in a way that make it acceptable? So you’re saying that a white woman growing up in the western world to an affluent family who never really wanted for anything, “hates men” because of stuff that happened to women in the past that is distinct from her personal situation that she may or may not have read about? Absurd. How do you reconcile this? You claim men freely choose misogyny as opposed to it being “reactive” when against the background of actual history where women were legitimately viewed as inferior beings at various poi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 09:16 AM
13	How is misandry different from other forms of biogtry in a way that make it acceptable? The law around domestic violence in many western countries assumes a male perpetrator to the degree that if police show up to a scene with a male who is injured and both the man and woman being vocal and disruptive the man is likely to the the one arrested. Rape laws in several countries define law in a specific way where men cannot be raped by women. Statistics on crime show is routinely that men tend to send longer custodial sentences for identical crimes to women. Exceptions only really exist…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 08:39 AM
1	CMV : personality is just as shallow a reason to be with somebody as looks Except it’s not as fickle. What you’re describing where people appear to change their behaviour or whatnot isn’t something that genuinely happens very easily. Someone who can alter their behaviour or how they appear to feel isn’t the same as someone who genuinely alters these things over time. It’s performative and usually will be revealed to be false. If altering personality was as easy as you claim it is, far far far less people would be single because they could just change their personality …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/23 07:25 AM
1	Capitalism is the reason people deny men's issues This is because having free access to a healthcare system that prioritises funding and grants for women’s health issues and tends to underfund mens doesn’t make having access to it at all significant. It seems like it’s just accepted that men tend to have across the board worse health outcomes in most areas and that’s that, meanwhile stuff like public awareness campaigns of breast cancer remain forever in the gaze of society and health institutions. You also have the social considerations as wel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/23 07:17 AM
2	Do women find it very challenging to hear about men's struggle? Emotional investment and projecting one’s emotions onto what the other person is saying are mutually exclusive. It’s possible to be emotionally invested in a topic without letting that cause your discussion of it be entirely made from an emotional platform. It works for heartfelt topics with generalised emotional sharing (like appealing to people trying to have them donate for a worthy cause) but it doesn’t really work if the general thrust of the topic is along the lines of “this is emotional f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 06:57 PM
1	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? I understand the basis of the analogy (seek the technique master to master the technique, not the one it is applied to) I think however “being a woman being an expert on attraction” is a mischaracterisation. I certainly never claimed that. I merely object to the idea that “consulting women holds no value at all” which is being run alongside the analogy. If the threshold for consultation is “expertise” then 95% of men who talk about dating should remain silent, and only the advice of the top rung…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 03:18 PM
2	Do women find it very challenging to hear about men's struggle? Re; Patriarchy, I think it frames that way because of the tendency to think of patriarchy as a living breathing doctrine that is inherently male rather than a systemic artifact that more specifically refers to allocation of social roles that center around gender. Because of this tendency it feels like ascribing of behaviour or character rather than trying to open a conversation about norms and values. Re; masculinity i mean analysis of what it may be or should be or even be anything. I personall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 03:00 PM
2	Do women find it very challenging to hear about men's struggle? Yeah it’s complex somewhat. Because the issues described here and perspectives shared (many of which you seem to share with me, I oppose gender roles) and recognition of men’s inability to cope with women stepping out of theirs- these are all points said radfem actually touched upon in their initial posts which had me nodding. Like yes, I agree lack of attempts to mobilise meaningfully, lack of will to continue dialogue into extending masculinity are problems for men’s rights, yes. I agree more …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 01:47 PM
4	Do women find it very challenging to hear about men's struggle? I read the post. Great comment and I agree with you. My time in men’s spaces with interest in men’s issues is frustrated by what you describe; everything boils down to a binary of “us or them” and and completely obliterated dialogue and in the process causes people to ignore the statistical evidences that exist that prompt the conversations in the first place. It doesn’t make any sense. As you put it so well, it seems to be some kind of bizarre survival defence mechanism where people feel like “…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 01:14 PM
1	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? Ahh I’ve seen that video. Yeah $4 for cheese is absolutely stupid and inferring a man is “stingy” or whatnot because he refuses to be ripped off for cheese is ridiculous I think a lot of the Tiktok stuff you see though are definitely the upper end of what there probably is, because drama is clout and clout is collateral. Several of the women doing these things (like filming themselves having a “bad date” where you never see proof the guy exists) are actually just filming skits and not capturing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 12:35 PM
2	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? I think they are relevant though. “Work on your flirting” - what works and doesn’t varies from woman to woman. This isn’t something where one size fits all. The kinds of woman the man is capable of meeting and where is relevant here. Same for “groom”. If the guy is clueless about grooming and open to actually acquiring a style, “groom” doesn’t mean anything without context, and not everyone will be attracted to the same thing. I’m not saying vague advice is bad, much of it is applicable. My poin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 12:25 PM
3	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? Right with that last paragraph yeah I agree there, I was missing your words, my apologies. Yeah I don’t think advice on the how and what from someone who has never approached in their life is really that valuable but what worked beyond the “man acts woman responds” stage it opens up a bit. My views may be reflective of a slightly more dated dating scene. This notion people talk of of women basically having the date “done to them” and then offering a verdict is completely foreign to me. Sure I’d …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 12:18 PM
5	Do women find it very challenging to hear about men's struggle? Agree, this is kinda what I’m alluding to. Example; bringing up statistics on male suicide to open conversation about prevention. “What about women” It’s non-rational, because the conversation has nothing to do with women at all. It lets you know the listener isn’t interested in dialogue. They just want to wait until it’s their turn to speak.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 12:13 PM
2	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? I think a lot of the situations presented are just vague In both situation and reply. “I want to date and hook up with women.” Okay. What kind of women? What do you mean by dating for you? What is your lifestyle like? Commitments? Where do you go? Time constraints? Point is “I want to date woman” is about as helpful as walking into a restaurant and saying “I want food” and expecting them to prepare your favourite dish. Sometimes more information is needed because with a general scenario only gen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 12:11 PM
1	Describe some of the things you find attractive about your partner and/or the gender of your preference without mentioning anything about physical appearances She’s affectionate in both words and actions. She and I share a sense of humour which means our conversations are often very enjoyable and fun. To the point where we’ve had randoms around us when we’re shopping making positive comments how how uplifting it is to see/hear. She has a feminine manner. I mean this non physically due to the question. So her behaviour is feminine in how she approaches things which compliments my behaviour in the right ways. She is open with things like gratitude and t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 12:08 PM
4	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? Ahhh I see. But is “giving advice” teaching you how? Or merely offering improvements to how your “how” works? Unlike the food prep, dating is a bi-directional process. The women is not a passive recipient in the interaction, she is an ongoing participant. It is not like the man “prepares the date” and the woman just responds completely according to that. She will respond to his ongoing behaviour as well. Which surely suggests her thoughts have some merit. Also; as important as the preparation is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 11:50 AM
1	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? That inability to give that advice though is most probably stemming from the fact that human attraction is actually very difficult to explain rather than the woman specifically being Ill equipped to handle it. It’s difficult for anyone to explain. That’s the problem. People acting like it isn’t. If it wasn’t difficult, there would be marketisation of this known fact of human nature. You’d be able to literally buy services that guarantee people attract to you. It’s one of the biggest demands of a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 11:17 AM
1	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? Ding ding ding. Handling means more than planning. I mean most guys would surely not be into a woman who values planning over handling? It suggests she is more superficial and cares more about the “what” than the “who”. So why avoid asking women because “what do they know about planning?” What, you want women who are primarily interested in your planning? Hmmmm. Pretty sure they’re the ones complained about…?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 11:11 AM
3	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? Challenge: You come to me and say “where is the cake?” I say “it’s down the corridor, go to the end, take the left turn, then take the second door on your right”. If you end up taking the right turn and second door on the left, did I give bad advice or did you not actually take from my instructions what I meant? Because the whole “nice guy from girls” thing assumes that guys know exactly what a woman means when she says that and enact it. And there’s an absolute slog of evidence (questions being…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 11:07 AM
5	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? A patron in a restaurant is judging the taste of the food, not the technical preparation involved. You’re conflating terms here. To appraise the taste of food you do not have to understand how the food is prepared. How it tastes and how it came to be are totally different. In the same way you don’t need to understand how films are made to determine whether you enjoyed a film or not. Right? I mean if we apply this “how can anyone criticise that which they don’t partake in at all” logic, then sure…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 11:00 AM
5	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? Yeah, but for your counterpoint to work you have to assume they don’t tell the truth. It’s another assumption, just one in the opposite direction. In this situation I merely ask the question of the two outcomes - “all women lie about their preferences and expectations” or “some women may not give honest answers” I suggest two is more plausible. If it is, asking them can’t hurt. Let me clear, I never said that asking them guarantees success. I said it can generate value. To discount asking them b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 10:51 AM
1	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? Another reason the analogy doesn’t work then. Because assumedly we are talking about men seeking advice on dating women open to being dated, not women who don’t want to date. This is why the marketing analogy works better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 10:28 AM
1	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? Fantastic comment. This requires nuance however. A thing most people desperately seeking to end their singledom seem to lack. It does seem a bit “not for thee but for me” as well. For example claiming women can’t offer advice because they don’t have the male experience, don’t pursue, etc etc. the same guys who in other threads will generalise and make objective claims about why women do stuff on the basis of nothing more than their anecdotal observations. So apparently “living the experience” se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 09:42 AM
8	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? Your reasoning is flawed. Let’s use an analogy. Say a person wants you to build a specific style of brick wall for their garden in a particular style. This person has no bricklaying qualifications at all. All you know is this person wants a wall. You can consult with your mates who are also bricklayers to figure out how to build a wall. But that isn’t going to tell you what kind of wall this person actually likes. The fact they don’t build walls themselves is irrelevant to their appraisal of wha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 09:25 AM
2	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? I don’t disagree. I don’t think the principal problem here is who men ask. The principal problem is many of those asking don’t actually listen to advice they receive at all. They aren’t prepared to. They also don’t understand what advice is. They behave as if advice not being 100% guaranteed to work for their situation means that advice is useless. There are not absolute rules in dating. There are some general, vague, observable trends which even then still have some degree of variability and re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 08:20 AM
2	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? If fish could communicate with us what it is about certain techniques that do and don’t work, do you think we would ask them? The fisherman analogy is terrible because you literally can’t ask a fish why or how it responds to what it does. A better analogy would be you’re selling a product. Now do you just ask other people who have sold the product successfully or do you also engage with the target audience to find out what things they like in a product? You likely do both if you have any clue wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 07:11 AM
0	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? What happens if the fisherman gives you advice you can’t use? Like he says “I use this rod” and you don’t have that rod and can’t get it? What also happens if you ask the fisherman and when you try his advice, it simply doesn’t work when you try it? Because the reality is this is what often happens when guys ask guys. They either say the guy giving advice has something they don’t have which changes things (like he’s tall) or they claim they’ve tried the advice and it doesn’t work. That or they’r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 07:07 AM
5	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? In a logical world, you’re correct. However the truth is the guys who want casual sex discount the casual sex guys advice because “he’s attractive” and that’s only what matters apparently. Similarly they ignore the relationship guys advice because once again “you’re attractive” or some other X Y or Z they claim you have but they don’t. I’m married and have been for ten years now. I’ve given plenty of advice on my time but in the past few years the amount of men who immediately shoot you down and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 07:02 AM
2	Are straight women really qualified to give advice on how to date straight women? The trouble with the fisherman analogy is: fish can’t talk. If they could we may well ask fish, but we can’t. people “asking the fisherman” assume the fisherman is going to give comparable advice. For example let’s assume the fisherman you ask is “Chad”. He says “I get on my speed boat and use my anglemaster5000”. You have neither of those things. You’ve asked a successful fisherman for advice, and you can’t actually use it. many of the fisherman wannabe fisherman ask haven’t caught a fish thems…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/23 06:22 AM
6	If you were guaranteed a partner and didn't have to do any work would you take it? obviously there are conditions Being in a relationship doesn’t necessarily guarantee sex so all this will do is place people in relationships they didn’t pick which will result in probably less happy people overall. Cheating would skyrocket as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 10:55 PM
5	Do women find it very challenging to hear about men's struggle? Let me clear, I said “reads like a whine” not that it is a whine. It’s about how it’s perceived. The thing with a lot of gender issues between sexes is there’s a lot of assuming what the other is trying to say rather than actually listening to what they are saying. So people will “read into their words” for example. It makes sensible discussion almost impossible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 09:41 PM
–	Men lose at least a percentage of their attraction when the woman they fancy becomes available This is reddit yes. This is a debate sub on reddit. You are aware yes? You post a post in a debate sub in reddit, and you’re acting like people trying to argue with you using style that is used in debates, are “doing it wrong, tryhard”. You then criticise those same people using the same kind of method you’re criticising by referring to stuff like “circular arguments”. So which is it? Do we get to use argumentation tactics or not? I’m getting the impression you’re not here to discuss. You’re her…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 08:54 PM
–	Men lose at least a percentage of their attraction when the woman they fancy becomes available I’d make the opposite commentary, your approach is too reductive and reduces the interaction to a simplistic thing and discounts the importance of other variables. The difference is, I can point to observed behaviour and go “let us infer from this what I say makes some sense” whereas your position requires us to ignore observed behaviour and believe some other cause is explaining things, because “it’s more simple”. For example, you keep referring to this idea that “men will do what I say they wi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 08:14 PM
–	Men lose at least a percentage of their attraction when the woman they fancy becomes available I mean, your viewpoint is valid to articulate. Personally I’m not a fan of theories that require me to subscribe to the idea of unconscious processes that I’m required to accept merely exist, and operate in some fashion, and as unconscious processes, are unfalsifiable. For example you claim that a man who claims he will act in a certain way and will act in that way consciously, is somehow unconsciously motivated to the opposite. But if his behaviour never shows him acting on this unconscious dri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 07:59 PM
–	Men lose at least a percentage of their attraction when the woman they fancy becomes available I agree many “nice guys” have astronomical standards. I disagree that actually balanced men give women displaying otherwise worrying behaviours a “pass” because she’s hot. Maybe for a casual fling. But not for the relationship, not if the guy actually has a sense of his own person and wants. People who think they have no options take what they can get. People who appraise themselves more balanced like, will be a bit more discerning, even if they haven’t realised their options. The same applies f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 07:45 PM
3	Why is it that autistic women have much more attractive traits than autistic men? I’ll keep it short this time. Wholesome post and it’s really cathartic to see a recount of a situation that feels very familiar through experience. Especially the socialising reservations (I’m a nice enough guy but I’ll be damned if I know whether people want my company or not). Keep your head up brother. You’re here and you’re excelling in ways even if you can’t see it. Thank you for sharing your experiences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 07:38 PM
8	Why is it that autistic women have much more attractive traits than autistic men? Your own experience growing up matches like quite closely. I wasn’t diagnosed as autistic until I sought it out on my own in my early 30s. I grew up in an educational culture where neurodivergence wasn’t really a concept and only kids with severe issues were considered to need support. Anything other than that was simply labelled as deviance or being stupid. I experienced similar bullying because I was more into learning and information than many of my peers, obsessively so so even the “clever k…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 06:00 PM
29	Do women find it very challenging to hear about men's struggle? This comes down to articulation of the issues. I’ve found in my experience at least, when articulating male issues that pertain to rights (not expectations) in an objective manner I don’t meet much resistance from women. I don’t necessarily get met with overwhelming support either, more of a quiet nod as some kind of recognition of what I’m saying as being somewhat correct but being unsure what to say in return because it may be something they’ve never really given attention to. Where I see resi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 05:00 PM
7	Why is it that autistic women have much more attractive traits than autistic men? Generally speaking, autistic women mask better because they’re exposed to expectations of social pressure earlier and more numerously in early life than boys are. This causes their social skills to be more practiced than autistic boys; some of whom end up developing into teens who never really were pressured or felt pressured to expand their social skills outside of going online. I think also the stereotypical traits that men are expected to hold in attractiveness don’t correlate as well with au…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 04:34 PM
–	People of PPD: To what extent would you blame the rise of celebrity/influencer culture on the hyperinflation of dating? And, if it is one of the more important factors to take note of, what should the average young man and woman do to adapt to these circumstances? Great comment. Male body image issues aren’t talked about enough and it really isn’t helped by most of the men with these physiques not being upfront with how they achieved them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 06:42 AM
11	Why do guys hate when women withhold sex if she likes the guy, when guys do the same thing to women as well? This is my thought as well. I’ve never encountered a man who has a “rule” whereas I’ve met women with rules (like X dates first, X months first…). I think men who like a woman are aware of how it comes across being sexually forward and avoid that. But it’s not because they themselves believe having sex early is bad or wrong, but rather they don’t want to give a certain impression. They do it because of what they think the woman thinks, not what they think. Exceptions exist of course. However I d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/23 06:40 AM
3	CMV: Male friendships are not an alternative to romantic affection because they often end up having an element of competition I actually disagree that male friendships tend to have a competitive edge. Maybe some do depending on where they’re borne. But I’ve had a fair amount of friendships with guys over the years and I’ve never really felt they were competitive at all. In fact I’d say vague concepts like honour “bros before hoes” “don’t go where your mate has been” where there. These friendships were frank, no bullshit. But they were clear and wholesome for that very reason. We all knew where we stood and what we were…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 07:08 PM
13	Men, would you rather treat a women like a queen or like 💩? I’d rather treat them like a human being personally. To each their own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 05:21 PM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start This premise assumes that the ending of a pregnancy is qualitatively the same as ending the life of say an 8 month year old. I do think at some point equivalence can be made but I don’t think for example comparing a four week pregnancy to an 8 month old is necessarily correct Assuming your solution pans out, how many men do you think would be up for the “equality” presented when their abdication from responsibilities requires them to end the life of a birthed child? I’m not sure many would. The …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 03:41 PM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start Average Cost of raising a child a year in US: estimated $16,005 per year. Average child support payment in US per year (this includes women as well as men paying): $5,150 Let’s please stop behaving like the “norm” is men being bankrupted by child support when the average payment per year isn’t enough to meet even half of the estimated costs of a child’s upkeep. If individuals get screwed, that sucks. It does. But we need to remember stats on this exist and they present the average and the averag…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 01:46 PM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start What they understand what we all understand is not the same. Unless you’re suggesting several countries openly support and consider themselves practitioners of murder. Im pretty sure none of them do. So clearly this viewpoint is not a consensus in any particular manner. It’s an argument for a consensus, but a consensus that does not make. This is not a scientific question because science does not quantify consciousness which means it can’t detect when human conscious experience starts, it can on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 01:35 PM
10	What would/will you do to help your future son in the dating market? Exactly. It’s always easy to spot people who aren’t parents in parenting threads because they behave like children follow whatever script you give them, and “dysfunctional adults” only arise out of dysfunctional parenting choices. Haha. No.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 12:19 PM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start It is scientific fact it will become a human. That is not the same thing as it being a human. In the same way a seed isn’t the same thing as a plant, so behaving like you can enter it into a plant competition on the basis it will “one day become one” is nonsense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 12:11 PM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start What society has done and what I’m personally arguing aren’t the same though are they? My personal opinion isn’t responsible for societal changes. You assume I agree with title IX? All tenants of how equal pay has been applied? I do not. I think the application of those things has been wrong. Do you? If you do. Then how can you argue for the position of men needing this esoteric form of equality here? My position is consistent. I do not believe men and women need to necessarily be equal in all t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 12:06 PM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start Let me make sure I’m understanding. You’re comparing the traditional historical stereotyping of men and women into different lines of work based upon perceived (and actual) aptitude differences that may arise out of biology (but do not render either doing the work impossible) - to the literal difference of one gender being able to accomplish the feat the other unequivocally and absolutely cannot due to having structurally distinct internal organs? Really? So “women should be able to do Office wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 11:55 AM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start Your argument is contingent on accepting a premise I do not accept. I do not agree that a “human life” comes to be at fertilisation. So I guess we’re at an impasse there. And to your second point they’re not the same. They both abdicate the same potential thing but the difference is in one scenario the thing never comes to exist in reality in the other it does. So one situation involves denying responsibility towards something that becomes something else. The other just ceases it being anything …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 11:53 AM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start Yeah but how exactly do you achieve that? Because allowing men to “sign off in paying for an existing thing that comes to term” is not the same as choosing that thing doesn’t exist. In the men escaping paying scenario, for all intents and purposes he behaves as if the child doesn’t exist, but it does exist. So it isn’t the same. We have to accept that due to sexual dichotomy we cant equalise absolutely everything here. Men need to understand that and take precautions. If a man is willing to avoi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 11:46 AM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start Indeed. Abortion is a false equivalence here. Abortion is essentially the abdication of a potential occurrence. So it’s kind of like signing the initial paperwork for a car, but deciding “I don’t want the car” in the end and not signing the final document that causes you to own it. The argument of parental abdication is like you having been given a car and you just decline to pay for it or maintain it in anyway. One is a refusal to allow a certain situation to manifest, the other is a refusal to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 11:03 AM
8	What would/will you do to help your future son in the dating market? I don’t think you get a choice on encouraging your kid to be neurotypical or not. That’s kinda how developmental differences work. They just are. Good faith question; what would your response be if your hypothetical son decides he doesn’t want to do the things you’re asking him to because “I don’t care if I’m attractive, that’s not important to me dad.”?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 10:42 AM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start This right here. This is fundamentally an issue because many men lack dick discipline and despite being very loud how they don’t want kids, they are not absolutely guaranteeing precautions in the way they approach sex. I don’t know of one single man in my circle who is responsible, diligent and sensible with his life choices who had a kid “spring upon him” outside of his intentions. Funnily enough several of the guys who got “baby sprung” who I know are also not brilliant adverts for responsible…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 10:38 AM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start My point is arguing what men should be able to do legally as derived from a biological difference is nonsense. Because abortion is legal in many countries. So there’s that. That biological difference is a legal reality. It doesn’t necessarily mean men need the ability to do the same thing “in some other way” because they can’t actually do the same. When men “abandon a kid”, they’re not consciously taking a decision to abort a potential source of human life. Acting like it’s “the same” is wrong t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 10:27 AM
10	What would/will you do to help your future son in the dating market? Don’t forget to involve something actually fun in there between all the neurosis and self consciousness you’re nurturing in your son. I think if you seriously think teaching a child that mewing is good, and you’re going to be monitoring their T levels, your decision to not have kids is probably the right one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 10:17 AM
32	What would/will you do to help your future son in the dating market? I’m guessing you don’t have kids OP? Your comment reads like someone who has the concept of parenting “all figured out” in theory but has zero experience of the reality of dealing with a completely independent entity that is reliant on you, and you biologically love. It’s not the same as training a dog for a dog show. Because unlike the dog, your child at any point can simply decide to go “no” to whatever your plans are, and then what? All that epigenetic prep and rigourous parenting and your ch…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 10:13 AM
–	CMV: There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a "deadbeat dad" if you make intentions clear from the start The logic doesn’t work. Consequences bear responsibilities not intentions. Let’s say I’m driving down the road. I’m have no intention of crashing into another car. I’m m driving in a way that is consistent with that and every precaution I can take, is taken, to ensure that doesn’t happen. If I crash my car, I am still liable for possible payments because of the fact of the crash. My intentions not to crash are irrelevant. Because the fact of the damages bears a cost which is irrelevant to my int…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 10:07 AM
2	What blue pill advice do you think people choose to misinterpret? I think the principle issues with many blue pill pieces of advice is they require some nuance, common sense, intuition and versatile application. A lot of the people seeking dating advice literally want answers. They want the cheat code for the girlfriend or boyfriend achievement. They want to know exactly what they need to do, how often and to what degree exactly so they can aim for it like a COD achievement. The problem is this isn’t how stuff involving people works. Everything needs to be tak…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 09:18 AM
21	If you think sex is damaging to women or causes them to lose their “value,” isn’t it lowkey kind of predatory to pursue sex with women? This right here. The error is assuming TRP has a “brotherhood” or “For the greater good” view of the world. They do not. TRP is pitched as a brotherhood but is essentially advocating rampant individual egoism. There is no care given to “guys beyond you”, they’re either complete nobodies, competition, or useful idiots. None of these things require you to pay service their potential desires. So if you screw a bunch of women in your quest to “level up” and “ruin them” for society, that is not your …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/23 08:35 AM
3	What does the popularity of AI girlfriends say about real life western women? I don’t think it says anything much other than western women are human beings, living creatures with a will and complex lives of their own. In an ideal world our conversations with other people will be wholesome and enriched. It won’t always be the case though because not everyone is perfect, and sometimes even good people have bad circumstances that affect how they present themselves. I think it’s very difficult to do a “quality comparison” here. In the human example, you have a partner who may…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/23 08:15 AM
–	How do you define “Chad” Point taken on the effects of the elderly and enfeebled on the stats. There’s probably more “dating age” men at the heights desired than quoted in the stats. Probably not enough to be a majority though. I do however disagree on “technically a man can change his height”. There is a massive difference between two men who simply have to decide whether to undertake a behaviour (or what is required prior to do it) afaik bench pressing, and a man having to undertake surgery which can only give him at …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/23 07:16 AM
1	How do you define “Chad” Indeed. I think however it pays to remain clear about the prevalence of the desired height to frame the preference accurately. It’s a bit different for behaviours because hypothetically anyone can choose to decide to bench press, as you used as an example. So if women said “I want above average press” a guy can go “right let’s get to it”. They can become that “exceptional”. You can’t do that with height. So it pays to remain consistent that as much as this is a preference women are entitled to, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 08:52 PM
1	How do you define “Chad” 6ft is the average height for men in just two countries in the world. So “a number” yes, but let’s not behave like it means it’s widespread. It isn’t. Denmark and Montenegro. Nordic and Scandanavian countries average around 5ft 11 But for the vast majority of countries the average range is 5ft 8-10	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/23 07:17 PM
–	CMV: physical attractiveness is the number one determiner of a male's dating market value, not "personality" or "money" or "status" I agree it does tend to net a disadvantage on average but I don’t think the refrequently repeated red/black pill idea that it basically means “social death” and therefore entirely being discounted from dating considerations (except if exceptionally rich or the like) is particularly helpful. A lot of the issues neurodivergent men experience are twofold; firstly a weaker social intuition and secondly they do largely nothing to try and build it up. Instead they try and compensate in other ways. It …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 08:11 AM
–	CMV: physical attractiveness is the number one determiner of a male's dating market value, not "personality" or "money" or "status" All that shows is women are willing to be interested in men who compromise their values if the man is attractive. This question entirely comes down to how DMV is being used. If it’s being defined as “how many women are interested in a man irrespective of what interactions happen and whether he has successful relationships from those interactions” then the premise is correct. If DMV is being used in a way such as “how many women are interested in a man and deem him suitable for a sustained relati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 07:06 AM
–	CMV: physical attractiveness is the number one determiner of a male's dating market value, not "personality" or "money" or "status" Why are neurodivergent men excluded from this hypothesis? Does their attraction level not matter or something? Or are you assuming they simply “can’t date” or don’t tend to be attractive? Or that people overlook their attraction level because they’re neurodivergent and give them a “personality benefit of doubt”? I don’t get it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/23 06:55 AM
2	CMV: it should be illegal everywhere to get sex using deception I will definitely take a look. Thanks for the rec	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 07:57 PM
3	CMV: Women would be best suited in a society where women who the ones approaching men for relationships. Excellent point. But do we think that the behavioural attributes of those men that women find attractive would “shine as bright” in situations where they’re being approached rather than approaching? Such behavioural attributes often benefit from a position of initiative and instigation, I think there’s a real risk of what you say being the case, but I do think it’s be interesting to observe if it is true; as I think the “bold cockiness” or rampant charisma such men have that is attractive (along…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 06:40 PM
1	The best self-improvement for a man is finding a girlfriend Again, I never said you did. My initial comment first declared that your statement alluding to men seeing improvements when partnered up is a fact. That’s me signalling agreement. My second paragraph said I feel it is lazy reasoning where people focus more on the ends (having a girlfriend) and ignore the means men may have adopted to achieve that which may also contribute to their improved lives, which the girlfriend further compounds (that’s more agreement out your initial premise) Where I ment…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 06:31 PM
1	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face I mean you can call it cope, I have no desire to accommodate the build any more because honestly what purpose does it serve? I’ve had a rather successful sexual history and am married and have been for many years. Perhaps this vaunts my perspective and I’ll admit that, but I find the idea I’m somehow coping to be hilarious. Random unnecessary accusations aside, your analogy with money is actually on point and I’ll admit I’m probably ignoring shades of grey which do some up in this topic and the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 06:22 PM
2	Q4All: What's the biggest lie you were told about the opposite gender that you discovered was not true as you got older? That’s really great that you accessed that and benefitted. I think psychological services having more men involved and having a broader approach would definitely be a plus overall. Unfortunately male therapists and practitioners are very rare.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 06:16 PM
–	Most people have lost a sense of nuance to their world views I think I’m misrepresenting my view. My view is it’s one thing to say “a majority of men do X” (assume X is bad) “but exceptions exist” and then go on to treat all men as if they do X and another (which I support) to act like just because most men may do X, it doesn’t necessarily mean I should treat all men like they do, only like they may.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 06:14 PM
3	The best self-improvement for a man is finding a girlfriend I never said that. I said the idea having a girlfriend alone (without consideration of what a man did to achieve that) improves a man’s life feeds into blackpill delusions. I never said you held those delusions or advocated for them. If you disagree, point to where I said that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 06:11 PM
2	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face I work in a further education college in the UK and we have a gym on campus. I’ve worked here for 8 years. In the past 2 years in particular I’ve noticed the gym is way busier than it ever has been and the vast majority of the users are boys in the 14-18 range and the thing they’re doing is lifting weights. Just this year before we opened we actually ended up having the gym repurposed and removing some of the cardio space and refitting it with more weight racks and lifting benches because it jus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 04:59 PM
–	Most people have lost a sense of nuance to their world views Yes I think if you concede exceptions exist, then as a bare minimum you need to avoid making generalisations that behave as if it’s an application that applies to all, and discount those exceptions under the veil of “statistical significance” because the end result is simply removing the exceptions from existence, which is more inaccurate. Similarly, exceptions do not a rule make, so they mustn’t be claimed as a “frequent exception” which is often seen in such debates as well. I think it’s just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 04:49 PM
14	CMV: it should be illegal everywhere to get sex using deception No. Deception is too wobbly a concept to make legal sanctions a punishment. It needs to be codified. For example “deception” as you define it could equal: someone who lies about their job someone who lies about their hobbies someone who says they liked a certain film but didn’t really, but the person who went to bed with them really liked the film someone who alters their appearance in any significant way, for example make up someone who lies about their age someone who lies about their sexual h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 04:42 PM
1	Q4All: What's the biggest lie you were told about the opposite gender that you discovered was not true as you got older? In the sense of “missing the audience” yes. I don’t think it’s as simple as “simple and clear is better”; sometimes other kinds of communication is suitable depending on the person/audience. I do think women are bad at anticipating the communication needs of their audience though, which is fuelled by propagation of the idea “women are better communicators”. So they tend to use a varied and complex style all the time whilst men do the opposite and typically default to simplistic communication ins…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 04:02 PM
4	The best self-improvement for a man is finding a girlfriend It is undeniable that men often experience lifestyle improvements when coupled up. It’s a fact I think attributing all of it to “landing a partner” is kinda lazy reasoning however and undermines the fact that such men often first take steps to improve themselves, which lands them a partner, which compounds the benefit. Just reasoning that “having a girlfriend” improves men feeds into the delusional sides of blackpill thought where they think government issued girlfriends are needed to improve me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 03:58 PM
3	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face Yea all the lifestyle improvements that come with it are massively beneficial and I’d say they are the factors that positively correlate with attraction and attention. So like hitting the gym is good for attraction I agree. I just think it’s because of a lot of the other things the muscles “unlock” for a man, which women notice. So the muscles are for him, which levels him up, and women notice the level up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 01:53 PM
2	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face I think it’s the overall proportion change visuals though than the objective fact of muscles. Although that one contributes to the other is undeniable. I think though if a guy “changed his shape” in a similar way without muscle being part of it, he’d see similar response changes. Maybe my experience is just unusual. I’ve never had muscles and consistently received physical praise. It find it unusual that every single woman I happened to be interested in had exactly the same unusual preference. F…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 01:52 PM
0	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face I think this is one of those “you look at what people do and not just what they say”. I agree books and television show men in “above average shape”. Same for women. As an object of fantasy and engaging intended audiences, why not? Same for depictions of women. However we mustn’t mistake using idealism to market as a reflection of actual sentiments. If we look around we see plenty of men and women in relationships with people not depicted as such. Are we to conclude that all of these people are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 01:48 PM
3	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face I don’t disagree with your comments about excess. I think in the more moderate example though it’s more the general fitness achieved than the fact of muscles, but without further study I couldn’t be sure. But I certainly hear a lot more men saying “women like muscles” than women saying it, so that forms a big part of my appraisal. Women are quite open in sharing how they value certain heights or financials, it would be strange of them to be suddenly coy with the truth when it comes to muscles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 01:41 PM
3	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face There are plenty of ways to stay fit and healthy. I just find it interesting that one in particular is being pushed as the “one size fits all” for men at the moment. Doesn’t mean I think it’s a conspiracy and yields no benefits (I never claimed it didn’t) merely that some people will benefit from it opportunistically. But you don’t really see people suggesting men take up swimming, tennis, running, cycling etc. it’s all about lifting weights. I find that particularly intriguing because it is far…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 12:59 PM
5	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face On the subject of value, muscles are marketable. Protein powders, whey, creatine, extra T for those so minded, Tren, the list goes on. Gym subscriptions, home workout kits, muscle vests. High protein foods, meat, nuts, supplements, extra portions and big portions, big food bills. Workout routines, personal training, fitness advice and consultation. A lot of people make fair money from people desiring muscles. It’s almost like there’s financial gain in convincing men that they should want muscles…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 12:49 PM
3	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face Glad I’ve found a like mind. I’ve mentioned in other posts here, I’ve never been able to bulk despite trying. Gaining weight is very difficult for me. However it n all of my adult life I’ve maintained a “lean and slightly toned” shape which has arisen out of my habits rather than dedicated effort: I cycle a lot to get around and I tend to carry a lot around with me. I don’t appear overly muscular but some definition is visible at a glance. I don’t have visible abs except when I wake up. After ea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 12:32 PM
4	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face That could be part of it. It could also be that it suggest physical fitness, good health habits, looks more flattering, etc. Not every preference in women is due to some weird biological predisposition to “assessing optimal male genetics”.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 12:24 PM
20	CMV : Muscle is cheap, and in 2023 women value genuinely rare immutable traits, such as height and face Honestly, muscles were never “in vogue”. The idea they were has emerged somewhere from the redpill hyperbole machine and the “gym bro” culture. It didn’t come out of a woman’s mouth. Women generally like a guy who is fit. That can mean a lot of things, but generally it means he isn’t very obese and carries himself well. He looks “proportionally good” for his height; not looking under or over weight. This was interpreted by many guys as “getting jacked”. Only a minority of women really desire exc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 12:18 PM
2	The real reason women hate when older guys get with younger girls I agree 18 year olds don’t make good choices. But from the perspective of legality, they can make informed choices, which means we have to treat them like they can. You raise serious questions over stuff like age of consent if you accept that 18 is “legally equipped” to make decisions in various spheres but also treat these 18 year olds like they can’t make those decisions fully and are prone to being especially manipulated. People of any age can be manipulated but beyond a point we assume they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 11:56 AM
14	If a female physically assaults a male, should the male react differently than he would if a male assaulted him? I teach my kids the following (one boy one girl): 1) Try to leave/ignore the situation 2) If you cannot, try to de-escalate the situation. 3) if you cannot, try to seek assistance or draw attention 4) If you cannot, resist with whatever means necessary to prevent harm to yourself, until the threat of harm has stopped.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 11:14 AM
1	Q4All: What's the biggest lie you were told about the opposite gender that you discovered was not true as you got older? Agree. As said I don’t think men are better communicators. However men are much more literal communicators. We usually communicate explicitly rather than alluding to subtlety. The question of whether that is an issue or not is complex. It could be argued that men should learn to interpret communication beyond the very literal (I don’t necessarily disagree with this view) but it can be equally balanced by the idea that women shouldn’t really expect men to understand what they mean if they can’t b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 10:07 AM
2	The right-wing is harmful to men’s rights. I agree with you, it’s a wholly unrealistic option even if it would present as the most pragmatic solution. Historical narrative and development just doesn’t allow for such to reasonably work without a total societal reformation. I like the “responsibility and expectations” angle. It is practical. However my issue with it is that it feeds into the lack of obvious equity if you still have a gender dynamic where one gender is shaped in the onus of responsibility and the other is not. It would need…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/09/23 08:47 AM
5	Q4All: What's the biggest lie you were told about the opposite gender that you discovered was not true as you got older? I saw another poster make a good recommendation for this. I think this comes down to sometimes when women communicate problems, they don’t want “fixes”, they just want to be heard. Men tend to default to a “fix” position with issues. If we have an issue, we tend to try and fix it. If we can’t fix it, we tend to try and move on and not worry about it. So when women want to rant/vent it isn’t helpful to them when their partner adopts the “fix stance”. The useful thing here would be the woman begin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 08:28 AM
–	Most people have lost a sense of nuance to their world views If people accept the world is nuanced that means their over arching paradigms that help “explain the world” and make it known and predictable fail to work. So what people will do is say the token “exceptions exist” but they will continue to behave as if saying that doesn’t mean like we need to act like that matters in any way shape or form.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 08:19 AM
10	Q4All: What's the biggest lie you were told about the opposite gender that you discovered was not true as you got older? I think conversationally it’s fine. It’s more when it’s supposedly purposeful communication like making needs known, desires known, where it appears to break down. It seems a strange premise of “I shouldn’t have to say” starts to appear. The idea of being superior communicators whilst floating an idea such as “I shouldn’t need to communicate openly to share my needs” is a very bizarre one to me. Especially if you’re then going to negatively judge the other party for when they don’t respond as if…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 07:51 AM
16	Q4All: What's the biggest lie you were told about the opposite gender that you discovered was not true as you got older? Tongue in cheek, but that “women are better communicators”. My experience has led to me disagree with this. Women are more versatile communicators I’d say but it doesn’t necessarily translate to better communication. There’s a lot of reliance on intuition, “mind-reading”, subliminals and “knowing what I mean” instead of direct communication. One of the primary tenants of good communication is “knowing what your audience needs to hear your message” and shaping your communication around that. I’ve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 06:57 AM
–	advocating for natural/biological gender roles does not mean advocating for traditional gender roles “Biological roles” is a bizarre term I would say is actually meaningless. It’s just the term “social role” or “gender role” with gender essentialism thrown behind it for clout. Biological sexes give rise to natural differences in men and women in terms of attributes or traits, not roles. For example men tend to naturally be more aggressive due to testosterone. Women have the capacity to get pregnant and give birth. These are attributes not “roles”. That doesn’t mean men undertaking roles involvi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/23 06:39 AM
3	The right-wing is harmful to men’s rights. Yeah what to do with masculinity is honestly the dividing point many MAs disagree over. Personally I’m in the “deconstruct” camp and believe at this point the only pragmatic option is to give it the same treatment femininities have received which is divorcing it from specific roles altogether. This leads to the concepts no longer meaning anything, but in a world with gender equality, I don’t see how they can realistically exist anyway, at least because of the tendency to use them as judgements o…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/09/23 05:26 PM
9	The right-wing is harmful to men’s rights. I’ve heard a term “third wave manosphere” to describe this hypothetical platform. Basically rejection of 1st wave PUA and 2nd wave Redpilling and more focused on legal and rights related issues pertaining to men and using tackling them as a platform for social reform; completely divorced from concerns like dating or relationships. The problem with such an idea is most men are guided by penis and idea of wetting penis, so the idea of being able to keep such a platform free of men who just want to…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/09/23 04:19 PM
6	The right-wing is harmful to men’s rights. All of it are different flavours of texturised egoism. Justified along the premise of some noble ambition or goal. Right facing male advocates basically masturbate to the idea of “big money and bitches” and so long as that is possible for them; they don’t give a toss. They’re completely nonplussed by the plight of men unable to work for example and just ignore him altogether. Their message isn’t for him. It’s for someone who only looks as far as their own nose. Modern feminism is no better. Nava…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/09/23 04:09 PM
5	The right-wing is harmful to men’s rights. Exactly, society is a description, it isn’t an autonomous being capable of innovative thought. So when these individuals complain about society “holding men to some standard they dislike” whilst also shaming men who buck their trad ideals; if they self reflected just a little bit, they’d realise it’s themselves they’re talking about. Not some ethereal blob called “society”.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/09/23 03:51 PM
24	The right-wing is harmful to men’s rights. Sounds like a great read. I’ve said it elsewhere (mainly in MensRights to deaf ears and much backlash and mid flinging) men are in way, some of the biggest obstacles to our own liberation through how blinkered many of us can be. Like you can’t claim you’re about men being freed from the shackles of societal expectations and pressure, and then also ridicule and mock anyone who wants to do that in a way that happens to disagree with your own “what a man should be” preferences. Like, I don’t get it…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/09/23 03:21 PM
2	Q4M: Your SO refuses to be emotionally vulnerable with you - Deal-breaker? Moreno, N., & Kahumoku-Fessler, E. P. (2018). Understanding Infidelity: How Perceptions of Infidelity Behaviors Vary by Sex and One’s Own Infidelity Experiences. The American Journal of Family Therapy, 46(2), 107–121. https://doi.org/10.1080/01926187.2018 Kato, T. (2021). Gender differences in response to infidelity types and rival attractiveness. Sexual and Relationship Therapy, 36(4), 368–384. https://doi.org/10.1080/14681994.2019 Thompson, A. E., Zimmerman, C. N., Kulibert, D., & Moore, E. (2…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 03:10 PM
2	Q4M: Your SO refuses to be emotionally vulnerable with you - Deal-breaker? Deal breaker or first and only warning. Women that play off “I’m fine” when they’re not tend to either spiral into mental health problems or find someone else to cry on the shoulder of in my experience. If we’re to be together, that means I’m your person. You come to me with your ills and I try my best to help you sort them out. If you want to keep barriers up to prevent me having access and reserve some of your woes and worries for other people, then go and make a lifelong commitment to them, b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 12:33 PM
–	CMV People that dont have real life Experience/functioning Social Life should not talk about Dating Strategy, it is just annoying how deluded those takes are. Not to mention it’s entirely improbable. The same guys on these channels say “women are delusional because they want six figures which is less than 10% of men” They then tell their audience they simply need to hustle and grind and they’ll get there. Most will not. Capitalism cannot work if everyone can hypothetically become rich. The men who have a “leg up” to start with all always succeed whereas the men without will in most cases carve out a more modest existence which is nowhere close to what…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 06:32 AM
1	CMV: Many women lack interest in video games and anime for totally valid reasons and men expecting them to like said things often lack self awareness I think it depends on the degree to which you invest yourself in it. Like I think the issue is a good chunk of men who are into anime and gaming make it a good chunk of their personality, and it can make relating to them difficult even if a woman is into those things, but sees herself as more well rounded individual. Just because someone is into something too, it doesn’t mean they want to literally obsess over it. Me and my wife are both into gaming for example. This was not something we discove…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 06:49 PM
8	CMV: Many women lack interest in video games and anime for totally valid reasons and men expecting them to like said things often lack self awareness My wife legit just had a mini (but adorable) meltdown because she felt like playing the sims 3 for nostalgia, but for some reason her computer won’t run it “so sims 4 will have to do”. I once asked the difference and I got a complete infodump as a response. It was terribly wholesome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 06:40 PM
3	CMV: The fact that surrogates are mainly used by women and gays show that men's threats about artificial wombs are not to be taken seriously Taking necessary safeguards in the line of parenting against individuals does not require the demonisation of an entire demographic. Perhaps that is an idea that is new to you. I suspect you know it’s misandrist and you simply don’t care. But are only too quick to recognise the opposite as misogynist or sexist. Either way, have fun with that outlook. I hope it serves you well. We will be fine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 05:53 PM
–	CMV People that dont have real life Experience/functioning Social Life should not talk about Dating Strategy, it is just annoying how deluded those takes are. I don’t disagree with any of this, it’s a bit more multifaceted than perhaps I am giving it credit for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 04:59 PM
2	We often talk about how modern culture discards masculinity, but we hardly touch on how it discards femininity I don’t disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 04:59 PM
3	CMV: The fact that surrogates are mainly used by women and gays show that men's threats about artificial wombs are not to be taken seriously Your personal musings about my nerve is irrelevant; the generalisation is still abhorrent to me. I’d never generalise women in the way you are casually labelling men as deviants. It’s reductive and backwards minded masquerading as “vigilance”. I’m a father and I love being a father. People with your mindset are the whole reason why if I give my daughter a cuddle I can get side eyed. It’s sick.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 04:41 PM
3	We often talk about how modern culture discards masculinity, but we hardly touch on how it discards femininity As said, modern femininity is a very expansive concept that includes behaviours ranging from “traditionally masculine” to “traditionally feminine” - they’re ALL forms of femininity. Basically the conclusion is “a feminine woman, a woman who embraces her femininity is a woman who live her life the way she wants to as a woman.” This is consistent with modern feminist philosophy on the subject and the historical divorcing of a woman’s “value” from her social performance. Feminism aimed to attribute…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 04:34 PM
2	We often talk about how modern culture discards masculinity, but we hardly touch on how it discards femininity It doesn’t. The difference is it isn’t described as masculine behaviour, but a variant of femininity. In terms of what it is and whether that is “traditionally masculine behaviour” the answer is yes; it is. It’s the same traits and behaviours that would be described as being a traditional man if a man was performing them regarding their handling of their career.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 04:18 PM
3	We often talk about how modern culture discards masculinity, but we hardly touch on how it discards femininity Perhaps. My principle point is behaviour that is traditionally masculine when performed by women isn’t being described as “masculine”, rather the definition of femininity is being expanded to include it as a variant and viable form of femininity, rather than being seen as a trading of it for masculinity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 04:14 PM
–	CMV People that dont have real life Experience/functioning Social Life should not talk about Dating Strategy, it is just annoying how deluded those takes are. I think there’s overlap in what I say with both groups but I’m coming to the realisation myself that most male posters here are probably taking the darker pill. And re: custody and stuff, I’m not sure it’s exclusive to MRA. Fresh and Fit for example the subject of how marriage “is an L” because of the custody issue was raised often. F n F can in no way shape or form be described as a MRA podcast. It was definitely positioning itself as a redpill thing. I think my error is perhaps the red pill is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 04:12 PM
–	CMV People that dont have real life Experience/functioning Social Life should not talk about Dating Strategy, it is just annoying how deluded those takes are. It’s a daunting truth but accepting it makes one feel truly free. Which is ironic for a philosophy named after the pill which “frees the mind” in the matrix. Clearly TRP isn’t taking people to the Neo-Pill because they’re still insisting on following rules, albeit different ones, rather than trying to look past them and free themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 04:08 PM
–	CMV People that dont have real life Experience/functioning Social Life should not talk about Dating Strategy, it is just annoying how deluded those takes are. Blackpills can be included in my analysis but I don’t think that precludes redpills from what I describe either. Redpill philosophy is full of fear: fear of being screwed by women, fear of being taken advantage of, fear of heartbreak. That they self improve and level up doesn’t discount the fact that the behavioural recommendations of many redpill practitioners are specifically such that they avoid a lot of potential outcomes men are afraid of when entering relationships with women. That these f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 04:05 PM
–	CMV People that dont have real life Experience/functioning Social Life should not talk about Dating Strategy, it is just annoying how deluded those takes are. It’s simple in theory but difficult in practice because it requires mental resilience and esteem. Essentially the idea is you accept that you may be considered inadequate by others, but only the sense of measuring up to their standards. That you do, doesn’t diminish your value as a person, nor signal necessarily being inadequate for anyone else, all it speaks to is that in that given interaction, you didn’t measure up. That’s okay. It doesn’t mean they’re wrong either. It just means you didn’t r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 03:56 PM
6	We often talk about how modern culture discards masculinity, but we hardly touch on how it discards femininity Traditional femininity has been discarded or downgraded yes. But overall, femininity has not. It has been redefined to be a much broader concept that includes everything from the breadwinning CEO woman to the housewife. Between the two poles though, the “power” side is more elevated than the “passive” side socially. Possibly because the passive side is seen as an enabler of traditional masculinity, which is the real bogeyman here. But I wouldn’t say femininity is a bad word; just now people mean…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 03:22 PM
2	CMV: The fact that surrogates are mainly used by women and gays show that men's threats about artificial wombs are not to be taken seriously It depends what you mean by “prioritise parenting”. It may be the case that men on average believe that parenting is best accomplished by having two parents on the scene, and this overrides their individual desire to simply “be a parent” just because they can. Statistics show that generally men are less approving of single parent households so the maths checks out on that one. It could also be that men view parenting as a gestalt type thing and not merely a “fact of having a child”; so they desi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 02:54 PM
–	CMV People that dont have real life Experience/functioning Social Life should not talk about Dating Strategy, it is just annoying how deluded those takes are. The problem however is that the “theory camp” doesn’t actually theory. They take an anecdotal observation, exaggerate it and then extrapolate it to all situations. Like, you can’t compare someone who doesn’t play a sport but reads foundational theory texts and watches and studies thousands of games, to someone who has no relationship experience and their subject knowledge is basically swapping over the top anecdotes with their mates online? That’s not study or research. How many of these dateles…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 02:01 PM
2	Rejecting men with a lie or in any vague or non-direct way that isn’t just “No” or “I’m not interested” is spineless and does legitimate damage to the male psyche. I think the best thing here is to interpret anything that isn’t an enthusiastic response as a no. So if she says “I need to look at my calendar” but doesn’t affix onto that follow up, or a “because I’m free on X day and that would work for me, but I need to double check”, then it’s a no. This is a good rule of thumb for several reasons: It means women can avoid the absolute dregs who lose their crap when faced with a direct “no”. it reaches women who “play games” to stop, because men will behave…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 01:19 PM
–	CMV People that dont have real life Experience/functioning Social Life should not talk about Dating Strategy, it is just annoying how deluded those takes are. Oh no, I agree, it’s a feeling of inadequacy (not actual) that arises from an obsession with trying to objectively measure subjective phenomena. It’s rampant in particular in male dating circles. The /10 system, “leagues”, looksmatching. If an outlook is so obsessed with trying to quantify everything in formulaic terms, they’re similarly going to be obsessed with measuring themselves to those around them, which generates feelings of either superiority or inferiority. All of which is based upon n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 01:10 PM
4	Reroll your character. Which sex and orientation would you roll to live on easy mode? For real. I don’t think a lot the girls here are really thinking through the whole “why can you be a house husband?” Comments. It just isn’t really a viable path. For starts there was a comment here “Why, aren’t you attractive enough to be one?” Firstly, that’s a qualifier already. Now of course the claim will be had “men want attractive women for housewives” but actually look around. Plenty of average, regular women are housewives. It happens. So it’s not a requirement for women to be model-lik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 01:02 PM
1	Reroll your character. Which sex and orientation would you roll to live on easy mode? I admire your candour but I’m not sure your choice is “easy mode”….? Of all members of LGBT gay men: Suffer the highest amounts of violent assault In countries inclined as such, suffer more under the law Have the highest substance abuse issues Suffer the highest incidences of rape Maybe it’s a generational thing. But I’m friends with a few gay men and I would not describe their early dating experiences as “easy mode” at all. Once they found a good guy they were usually happy asf but the “getting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 12:42 PM
3	CMV: The fact that surrogates are mainly used by women and gays show that men's threats about artificial wombs are not to be taken seriously Because women they can have relationships with exist. You can’t use men not using surrogates when alternatives (women in relationship) exist as proof that men wouldn’t use artificial wombs in a situation where relationships with women weren’t possible or desired. All it is proof of is “when men can choose between having a single child with a surrogate, or entering into a relationship to have children, men choose relationships”. That’s it. Certainly not proof that men would never raise children o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 12:29 PM
7	CMV: The fact that surrogates are mainly used by women and gays show that men's threats about artificial wombs are not to be taken seriously Are you concerned about women who want children on their own in the same way? You are aware that more women are found guilty of abusing their children than men are, right? So please stop with the “most men are predators and pedophiles” horse crap please. It’s alarmist nonsense. Men statistically have more right to treat the average woman as a child abusing piece of crap than the other way around, and yet it doesn’t happen, because of a little thing called rational perspective. I suggest you look…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 12:22 PM
–	CMV People that dont have real life Experience/functioning Social Life should not talk about Dating Strategy, it is just annoying how deluded those takes are. Agree. Fear is the primary motivator. Making approaches would test your theories and esteem. Many redpill men are actually low in self esteem and fragile, and they don’t respond well to confirmation of their insecurities. It’s one thing for them to label themselves a dateless wonder online in a hypothetical thought experiment but quite another to risk someone else actually going “yeah, you’re actually horrible”. Also there’s a bit of a superiority complex at play; such men view themselves as sup…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 12:16 PM
6	Why women come to r/PurplePillDebates ? To offer advice and balance. Some of us married men believe the pills of all flavours can be harmful despite the fact some of them happen upon nuggets of wisdom. I also think it’s useful when people are discussing something in a hypothetical (a relationship, a marriage) to have people who actually have experience of that thing to offer a check to rabbit-holing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/23 06:51 AM
4	“Women” are bad at marriage. Understandable. I still don’t really get the relevance of RP though. This is a question about marriage and women (presumably to men). RP oppose marriage. So it seems completely irrelevant to bring them into the conversation at all. They’re not the men being talked about here. So their views aren’t really relevant. Kinda like me asking “what’s girls favourite flavour of ice cream?” And somebody replies “the boys like mint choc chip”. Interesting fact but nothing to do with the topic at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 10:37 PM
3	“Women” are bad at marriage. Be that as it may, I wasn’t speaking from the perspective of RP regarding my personal opinion so there’s that. RP doesn’t even advise men to get married generally so the relevance of RP to this question is pretty left of field.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 10:10 PM
4	How do you think damaged, terminally-online types, with more baggage than your shopping cart can handle, should navigate relationships? In this case that would be the “masking” behaviour, or the “adapt to the norm” standard- compromise. I’ve argued in other posts that personally I feel lack of this ability is a principle cause for lack of relationships (or quality relationships) with the younger generation. It could merely be a reflection of online portrayal but a few things stand out: More numerous disqualifiers; ie “red flag hunting” or to a lesser degree “the ick”. It seems like people are looking for reasons to reject others…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 06:11 PM
17	“Women” are bad at marriage. I wouldn’t say “sex” explicitly but more “intimacy”. The fact is due to how men handle friendships and family relationships, their personal romantic relationships and marriages are generally their only source of intimacy, which yields a significant portion of their value to men. Now, whilst sex is part of intimacy for men, I don’t think it’s fair to say men “marry explicitly for sex” as low libido men do exist. DeadBedrooms confirms this. However it seems a common factor that even when the LL me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 04:57 PM
4	How do you think damaged, terminally-online types, with more baggage than your shopping cart can handle, should navigate relationships? How does a meat eater join a vegetarian dining club? Two options: 1) The meat eater accepts they just give up meat, or at least pretend to give up meat during their trips to the club (and when interacting with those in the club outside of it). 2) They find a vegetarian dining club that allows meat eaters (highly unlikely but possible for like minds). The point is where someone has a host of traits and behaviours that make “normal” social interaction difficult (when they’re behaving naturally), t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 04:40 PM
4	Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA? That is a very very difficult situation but unfortunately the precedent you set if you treat her account with no proof as tantamount to evidence of such happening as you basically make having evidence optional. Now, we can rightly say rape is an awful crime and should be punished, but also simultaneously say that we shouldn’t be condemning people as guilty of it with no tangible proof despite this. This is one of those “rather guilty go free than innocent be locked up” situations. It’s not ideal…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 04:03 PM
4	Red Pillers: What do you actually consider to be sufficient evidence of r*pe and SA? Indeed. There was big review in the viability of eyewitness testimony with Loftus’ papers and studies. To cut a long story short, demonstrated it is actually not terribly uncommon to be able to convince people of events that never happened and have them swear by them, with just the right amount of subtle bias in questioning. It is supposed to be the case from that study onwards that anyone interviewing an eyewitness has specialist training so they can use experimentally devised methods which are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 03:37 PM
2	“Why Men Love Bitches” Excellent post and take.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 10:15 AM
2	I feel a large part of the problem with dating is extroverts and a lack of social unity and connection. Answers your own question. If the observation is “nobody is interested in meeting each other” then why would the government get up and go “hold on, we need to change that!”. The government is about supporting choice, not prescribing it. So if people seem content to just drift around each other the government is not going to start setting up measures to try and change that, because they are now overstepping into the realm of trying to manipulate people’s personal choices and recommend a “certain …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 09:59 AM
3	“Why Men Love Bitches” This is a question of “assertiveness” versus being obstinate or belligerent. It is true most men value a woman is assertive in respect to keeping to her personal values (integrity) not being cowed against her beliefs by others and knowing her own mind. Dating a “yes woman” isn’t very fun because the emotional labour involved is very intense because she defers to you all the time. This said, there is a balance to be struck. Someone knowing their own mind and avoiding being cowed by others doesn’t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 09:24 AM
3	How come "nice girls finish last" isn't as popular of a saying? I have plenty of female colleagues and acquaintances and the whole “guy who puts another guy down to appear better” is for the vast majority of them a turn off and red flag. Nothing screams “I’m not masculine” than a man who has to specifically point out why he is better than other men. Actions speak, words are cheap. Demonstrating you are better is a lot of dating you’re absolutely right. However telling someone you are better isn’t doing that, that is claiming you are better. Demonstration is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 08:35 AM
2	How come "nice girls finish last" isn't as popular of a saying? Or could it be that quite a few men don’t find the ideas she promotes attractive? I mean assuming spewing TRP or blackpill ideology makes her desirable to all men is a reach. TRP is clear about this itself; men want women who are feminine and compliant, they’re not looking for a philosophical ally. Also Pearl just isn’t that bright honestly. Many of her takes are vitriolic and transparent and from what I’ve seen of her in conversation; she just isn’t particularly charming either. The whole “goof…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 08:20 AM
5	I feel a large part of the problem with dating is extroverts and a lack of social unity and connection. It is not the responsibility of the government to attempt to create, manage, handle or promote certain kinds of personal relationships in my opinion. You precedent you set when you give them that responsibility is not good. The government might be interested if it has a loneliness epidemic, sure, but all it can really do is provide resources and spaces for people to work that out themselves, which it does. Community centres and halls are there, available to be used. Where you start empowering th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/23 08:09 AM
1	Unpopular Opinion: MRA does not fit the left/right political spectrum... and neither does feminism. This issue is predicated upon the inability of many commenters’ failure to recognise politics exists on a 4 way split: economic collectivism versus economic liberalism (left vs right) and then social collectivism versus social liberalism (left versus right). The thing is a brand of politics can be economically right wing and socially left wing and vice versa. Feminism is not “left wing” in my opinion in either. It’s commonly said it is because it focuses on individual rights etc; these are tradi…	/r/MensRights	25/09/23 07:52 AM
–	CMV I personally believe there are 4 groups off Men in terms off Dating desirability. Indeed, not all marriages are sex filled but if we’re going to consider that we’d need to define what a “sexless” marriage is in a way that is applicable. Because although for many it’s not ideal, considering a husband who has sex once a month and a guy who doesn’t get sex at all “the same thing essentially” is to me, an attempt to fudge the number to inflate them in the same way many such statistics are fudged by people grouping stuff together which is really quite different (ie considering the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 05:30 PM
1	Is this whole 'stay in your lane' ideology in dating, healthy and fair, or the opposite? Good post. Lots of depth. Just to elaborate on the “everyone is a mystery” thing, what I mean is at best when meeting someone you’re making assumptions about what they’re like from what you know, it’s impossible to know precisely what they’re like from that information without interacting with them directly over time. So someone appearing to have a shared demographic, or trait, doesn’t necessarily mean they share experiences. They may, they may not. It increases the likelihood perhaps, but that’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 04:35 PM
2	Is it ethical to use AI face recognition to filter out women on dating apps? Indeed. I personally think it’s an odd behaviour. I can understand people with bad experiences may find it worth their while. I do think however using public knowledge to “dig” is less creepy than asking people who have dated them previously for personal info. However both are excessive, and I think most people being confronted with either would be turned off (even if the digger finds nothing negative) and I wouldn’t blame them honestly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 03:19 PM
3	The idea that « the bar is so low » for men is more and more prominent among women. Do you think that it’s true? Does it match reality? My point isn’t whether each bar is justified or not. It is what it is. Bitching about it makes no difference. My point is the genders use terms like “low bar” which mean completely different things to each gender based upon their respective positions in the dating scene, which means using them to signal general messages to the other gender, is pretty pointless. “Low bar” spoken by a woman, to women makes sense to those women. Men do not have the same understanding. And vice versa. So a man sayin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 11:52 AM
1	CMV I personally believe there are 4 groups off Men in terms off Dating desirability. Yeah, because it’s touted as some kind of fact. Which is why when college age women are like “he needs to make 6 figures” it really is delusional. How many men do they think at their age range are making that? The perception of the “average incomes” of men by young women these days is shocking when surveyed. Very few of them have anything close to a realistic idea of the average mans salary. Those that think this way think earning something like 70k is just something you can walk into. They real…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 11:31 AM
–	"lock a man down in your 20s" is illogical advice There are ways to “weed out” men who seek only beauty in your 20s. Waiting until 40 or so to “guarantee it” is an extremely risky strategy for a few reasons. one of the principle motivators for men to find a partner is to have children. Having children with older women is more difficult. men being motivated by beauty or not as their modus operandi as a character trait isn’t likely to fundementally change as they age. So the same amount of men who go “for looks” will exist in the younger and olde…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 11:09 AM
2	CMV I personally believe there are 4 groups off Men in terms off Dating desirability. We need to let things play out a bit then so the “old generations” skewing the figures are “pushed out” before we can assess. It may well be that people will end up marrying later. All we know for certain is that a specific generation of men seem switched off from marriage at the moment but we don’t know why that is exactly. It could be inability or it could be that they simply don’t want to. Further study is needed. If we look at the global age comparison for example, only 35% roughly of people…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 11:00 AM
2	CMV I personally believe there are 4 groups off Men in terms off Dating desirability. Indeed. Being 6 ft puts you in 15% of men in the USA. 6ft 5 is close to 1%. The top 20% of men is men between 5 11 and 6ft (or taller) who make like 80k or more. Maybe even a bit less than that. This idea 20% of men are above 6ft and making six figures is part of why dating is so whack in the first place. Only 1-2% of men fit those two criteria together.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 10:35 AM
17	CMV I personally believe there are 4 groups off Men in terms off Dating desirability. You claim 40% of men are in the invisible sexless group. Those who have nothing of intimacy at all. According to the 2022 U.S. census 67% of men are married. Your numbers are off. Unless you were specifically talking about “single men” rather than “all men” in which case, it may be true, but that’s still a minority of men overall. The trend may change over time (this gen Z in particular may set a trend) but at current the majority of men are married and in established relationships. If this is t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 10:31 AM
5	Have you ever seen a handsome and successful man struggling with his romantic/sexual relationships? And why? Your neighbour reminds me of some of my friends at university who had far less romantic success than me despite hitting more of the “objectively and obviously” attractive metrics such as height, having hair (I was bald at uni) and so on. Thing is, these guys wore their insecurities like a crown of thorns for all to see. In contrast, I was very self assured of myself because I saw no point trying to fight what nature had planned for me and tried to wear it like it was a fashion accessory rather t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 09:02 AM
1	Is this whole 'stay in your lane' ideology in dating, healthy and fair, or the opposite? I wouldn’t say it makes it easier. It makes it potentially more expansive. You’ll increase your potential field of dates for sure. But simply increasing the potential field doesn’t mean you’ll necessarily have more success when doing so. Particularly if there are differences that are substantial. It all comes down to the temperament of those who decide to do it. But it shouldn’t be treated as a purely “logical benefit”. For example if I decide I would be open to dating women who cannot speak Eng…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 08:44 AM
1	Is this whole 'stay in your lane' ideology in dating, healthy and fair, or the opposite? Your last point is incorrect regarding divorce. Black women white men marriages have the lowest % of divorce against all other pairings, including white men and white women. It would be remiss to assume that somehow, the black women who marry white men are “always” those black women who are culturally similar to the white men they marry, because it’s simply not true. Also when you factor in upbringing, that’s a point that can’t be erased. Those black women were raised in black families, so the P…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 08:37 AM
1	Is this whole 'stay in your lane' ideology in dating, healthy and fair, or the opposite? Agree with the general sentiment but disagree with the implication of neurodivergents dating neurodivergents somehow being more sensible. Neurodiverse people are not a gigantic blob. This is in particular why the recent surge in “neurodiversity awareness” on stuff like Tiktok irritates me. I’m autistic, aside from certain criteria (and sometimes not even that for those who never get diagnosed) I don’t necessarily have anything in common with other neurodivergent people. To say we do because “we’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 08:21 AM
1	If Personality Was Actually A Determining Factor In Attraction… Physicality determines initial attraction. Personality determines further bonding to the object of possible attraction which enables new perspectives to be viewed which may contribute to the attraction factor. But in no universe is personality the igniting or significant attraction factor. It is merely fertiliser that nourishes what is already there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 08:03 AM
6	Is it ethical to use AI face recognition to filter out women on dating apps? Some do. Isn’t that the entire purpose of the AWDTSG groups? Initially started as a way to weed out cheaters but quickly devolved in crowdsourcing to gain info on a guy such as bedroom habits, likelihood to pay/go Dutch etc. The only difference is OP is using AI to search for objectively placed images (assuming no deepfakes, which could be discerned with a proper algorithm or visual assessment) so their method is based principally on facts rather than relying on others to give reliably testimony…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/23 07:56 AM
1	What, if any, is your concept of "fairness" in dating? Nothing In the natural world is fair, same goes for human nature and interactions. This is part of the whole reason we invented systems of justice to apply to the world; because fairness is an artificial concept that needs to be applied to things but does not exist if these standards are not applied to it. One needs to bear this in mind in dating. When one says “that doesn’t feel fair”, because against some standard it isn’t. However that’s an artificial standard. Whether you choose to abide by …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 09:00 PM
2	Does any gender as a whole have less accountability than another? If so which and can you provide realistic examples? Yes, the perception of whether cheating actually happened seems to come down to a self perception of intent. Ie “I’m not really a cheater because I never intended this to happen” is a frequent excuse of wayward wives. But they surely need to recognise at some point even if you don’t directly intend to cheat, restricting intimacy (both emotionally and physically) with your partner and offloading it to a different man and eventually confiding in him more and more at the expense of your partner; an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 07:00 PM
2	Does any gender as a whole have less accountability than another? If so which and can you provide realistic examples? The thing with cheating that is also interesting is where studies have been taken women who cheat are more likely than men to try and offload their accountability (they point to something being wrong in the relationship) whereas a certain number of men would stipulate they cheated due to character weakness regardless of the state of the relationship. Overall, most cheaters tried to place the blame elsewhere or “justify it” but it’s interesting that extremely few women admitted that cheating was …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 05:59 PM
2	JustPearlythings and other female creators are a net positive to men’s rights as they spread heaps of awareness on issues even if they’re just doing it to ‘grift’. Awareness and knowledge on men’s rights and issues should be spread as far and wide as possible! Thoughts? Exactly the kind of take that muddies MRA. Because what you’re talking about has nothing to do with men’s rights and issues at all. It’s merely advocation for the reduction of rights women have. Where people equate that to MRA is where people stop listening.	/r/MensRights	21/09/23 04:42 PM
–	The average woman brings more to the relationship than the average man Your point about grass cutting might be made from a specific social context that is not applicable to all situations, but I appreciate your point. For example where I live, if I do not maintain the grass, I get in trouble with my landlord. I cannot choose to not do it. I must maintain the garden as part of my tenancy agreement. Obviously this isn’t a general rule, but my point is it can’t be said that cutting grass is “never” an essential task, because frankly, people don’t enjoy having their ga…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 04:36 PM
7	The idea that « the bar is so low » for men is more and more prominent among women. Do you think that it’s true? Does it match reality? This this this. Throughout all of my dating life my criteria have been incredibly simple: Don’t disturb my peace (ie don’t make my life harder or more difficult than it would be without you in it). If you make it more peaceful that’s a bonus. Relationship loyalty. Don’t step out on me. Have my back and don’t resist me having yours. Have some quality about you that I can find attractive in the physical sense. That’s literally it. I’ve dated women of all sorts of different types before meeting my …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 03:41 PM
35	The idea that « the bar is so low » for men is more and more prominent among women. Do you think that it’s true? Does it match reality? All set bars look low when you view them from a high position. Women receive pursuit from men. This places them in a point of high vantage. So they’re looking down at what seems like a low bar. For many of the men in the crowd below, the bar looks set pretty high. The women don’t understand why the men think their standards are too high; they don’t see the perspective the men are viewing it from and what a “low bar” looks like from their position. This is like when boomers try to have a housing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 03:01 PM
1	CMV: Women have nothing to gain from dating men, but everything to lose I think also a lot of the cases used to illustrate the point of "it works just as well" often presuppose the argument of economics - that the economic situation is one where there is no worry so of course the single parent can hire an army of nannies, personal tutors, hobby clubs etc. When the reality is often, if we look at divorce statistics in particular, single parent households on average are economically more weak than two-parent households by virtue of existing on a single income which ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 11:04 AM
5	JustPearlythings and other female creators are a net positive to men’s rights as they spread heaps of awareness on issues even if they’re just doing it to ‘grift’. Awareness and knowledge on men’s rights and issues should be spread as far and wide as possible! Thoughts? She is a much better example of a more balanced ally than Pearl. She actually exercises some degree of balance in her takes, tries to understand men's issues but illustrates the female POV which leads to the misunderstanding issue so it can all be reflected on both parties. Her responses aren't vitriolic and she doesn't give men making honestly bad takes a "free pass" just so she appears like "one of the boys". Lauren is like "here's some dumb stuff women do, and here's how men feel about it, so…	/r/MensRights	21/09/23 10:47 AM
2	CMV: Women have nothing to gain from dating men, but everything to lose Agree. I think also a big part of the issue is people needlessly conflate comparison with attack. Like, if a woman wants to be a single mother, fine. That doesn't mean then, that you need to lambast the alternative as "pointless and bad" in order to justify your choice. Generally speaking if someone needs to demonise alternatives to their choice in order to be confident making it, it shows they have underlying anxiety about their choice. It's perfectly plausible to accept that you want to be a s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 10:33 AM
–	The average woman brings more to the relationship than the average man Arbitrarily deciding lawn is "leisure work" to support your point is disingenuous. I could just as easily go "cooking is fun, so is playing with my kids, so dismiss your points". Obviously that is not how it works. The fact of the matter is the studies Financial_Widow is referring do did look at hours invested in domestic tasks, and where domestic activities that the man performs were all equally counted to the same tune as those women performed (which were stereotypically assumed to be THE dome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 10:16 AM
1	Yea it's true that wealthy men tend to marry wealthy women but this has nothing to do with attraction The pool boy thing isn’t presented as “true love” though. It’s “a bit of fun”. The presentation of the “perfect man” in film and literature is typically a man who is established, emotionally intelligent, sensitive and masculine and his material situation is usually one that is never “in want”. He’s either rich or in possession of some means which means him worrying about wealth isn’t really a factor at all. I’d go as far as to say most of them don’t even work, they just have wealth. But they are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 09:18 AM
2	CMV: Women have nothing to gain from dating men, but everything to lose To them, and the stats. Single motherhood puts your child at every statistical disadvantage compared to their peers with a two parent household and this is visible across single mothers of all economic standings when compared with their two-parent financial equivalents (ie single working class compared to two parent working class). So we’re to believe that women will willingly choose to do this? Because it appeals to their sense of ego and satisfaction? Awesome. I’m sure that will comfort their …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 08:55 AM
1	CMV: Women have nothing to gain from dating men, but everything to lose Not to mention many of their substitutions to the reality of a romantic/companionship relationship make a flippant assumption of disposable income. “Sex? Just buy a sex toy!” “Romance? Buy and read a romance novel!” “Children? Pay a sperm donor! Then raise the child alone on your dollar!” “Companionship? Just go out with your friends!” All of these things cost money. Your friends aren’t going to constantly hang around your house. You’ll generally socialise “with purpose” or “when out”, which cos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 08:46 AM
1	CMV: Women have nothing to gain from dating men, but everything to lose Question: What if someone suggested the opposite is also true; that women provide nothing that men “can’t get elsewhere”. What would your reply be? Because you seem to be suggesting with your tone this is a one-sided situation, when I’d argue if you were you apply your philosophical take with integrity, you’d see it can be applied both ways. The fact that men seem less inclined to view it as such doesn’t mean the potential isn’t there. Either way, it’s a reductive take and fails to account for t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 08:22 AM
5	Does any gender as a whole have less accountability than another? If so which and can you provide realistic examples? I think overall on an individualistic level the balance is relatively good in line with MyBestLastChances comment. I think on the level of macro, regarding societal behaviours and trends, women tend to be viewed as having less accountability. Women tend to benefit from a hypoautonomous lens under such studies whereas men tend to be viewed with a hyperautonomous lens. Example; when looking at statistics on things like domestic violence. Cited reasons for men engaging in the behaviour generally co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/23 07:19 AM
13	JustPearlythings and other female creators are a net positive to men’s rights as they spread heaps of awareness on issues even if they’re just doing it to ‘grift’. Awareness and knowledge on men’s rights and issues should be spread as far and wide as possible! Thoughts? I think women supporting men’s rights is “good for business” as we know women have stronger in-group bias than men, so are more receptive to things when women say it. This said, the above is a generalisation I believe. I do think however they also need to be very careful about how they say what they say in case that same in-group bias can be weaponised against them and render the message even more rejected by women. JPT is an example of this. For example despite the fact she talks about how “div…	/r/MensRights	21/09/23 06:10 AM
2	The average woman brings more to the relationship than the average man But the same goes for other spending too. The stats don’t lie. There is no way to try and make out this means “women just spend it on essentials men on toys” because the statistics do not tell us this. All items, whether essentials or disposal income items tend to be majority purchased by women in relationships with two earners. So the idea a man “squirrels away his earnings” isn’t reflected in what he actually spends, and if he is, his partner is still spending the money she has access to on di…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 08:04 PM
2	CMV : Refusing to change to attract women out of some sort of principle is only holding you back and not proving a thing to anybody Agree. Let me be clear I have nothing against the gym or lifting. But I do think the recommendation of “hit the gym” made by TRP makes what the general desirable reasons for doing so are (general fitness and health) become very contrived and specific (lift and get jacked) when although the second begets the first, it isn’t necessary to obtain it. So it seems disingenuous to act like it’s the only way to achieve it. Like you don’t see TRP saying “take up cycling” “do some wood chopping” “take up …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 07:06 PM
4	The average woman brings more to the relationship than the average man That’s patently untrue though. Statistics show that women in families do the majority of the spending. So the idea the “average man” is hoarding his wealth to his personal benefit to the neglect of his family is a red herring and an exception to the general rule. I’m sure we have all heard the saying “your money is our money my money is my money” and that saying is typically spoken by one gender; and it isn’t men. Not that I put stock in random anecdotal sayings; but the point is that the idea o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 06:52 PM
6	CMV : Refusing to change to attract women out of some sort of principle is only holding you back and not proving a thing to anybody I mean, isn’t “6 6 6” touted often? And why does “being fit” necessitate the gym? Like I said; exercise is great for an individual. But In TRP it is treated too formulaically imo. Getting fit is equalised to “hitting the gym” with the premise you’ll be lifting. When In truth getting fit doesn’t necessitate that at all. Yet the “fit” part is the part women are actually interested in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 06:39 PM
7	CMV : Refusing to change to attract women out of some sort of principle is only holding you back and not proving a thing to anybody There is a difference between “refusal to change” and “self improvement” or “putting your best foot forward”. You should never change who you are to attract others. You should however aim to put the best version of you forwards. This does not mean “hitting the gym” is putting your best foot forwards. It’s attractive but dating needs to stop being viewed as formulaic. Trends? Sure. Patterns? Maybe. But at the end of the day we’re dealing with free thinking agents here, with a plethora of experien…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 05:55 PM
1	The Red and Blue Pill both agree that men must improve themselves, but word it differently Can it not be argued though that the “live for yourself” in TRP is disingenuously sold however because it’s obvious most of it is peddled with the notion that it increases success with women. So it’s really more of a “live life for yourself in this particular way….and you’ll get women!” That’s certainly why a lot of men turn to it. It don’t really see that as “living for yourself” because ultimately the measure of “whether it worked” for most of the practitioners is going to be whether they get …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 04:32 PM
–	Women are becoming accepting of their own averageness yet desire above average in men more than ever before This is a great post. I suppose the crux comes down to analysis of the women’s individual takes of their contributions to the partnership. That’s the area of contention. As you rightly say, most women when committed will probably argue their contributions in general exceed a man of equal SMV to them. Vis a vis domestics, workplace etc. Whether that’s true or not objectively is the question. Certainly in the younger generations we are seeing increased amounts of women who refuse to do these thing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 03:37 PM
3	Preselection makes perfect sense But it doesn’t actually bear out. You need to widen the scope of what cheating means. It doesn’t have to mean a man meets a woman in person, and has her try to steal him away. It could mean a guy going online and chatting to a sex worker, sending sausage photography and the woman on the other end not giving two shits how attractive he is so long as he is paying something. I’m pretty sure any woman that man is involved with isn’t going to handwave that behaviour away because “well he didn’t meet …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 03:23 PM
2	The Red and Blue Pill both agree that men must improve themselves, but word it differently Nope. The disproportionate ratio of men’s interest in women compared to the opposite is a big part of what fuels the loneliness crisis in men, and also the “supply need” for TRP and “dating experts” to seek to profit off it. It’s also a big part of why male advocacy struggles to get off the ground. Because a vast majority of men seem unable to focus on “men’s issues” without talking about or somehow relating it to women. Which invariably gets it likened to a “woman bashing” endeavour. Many women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 03:08 PM
1	The Red and Blue Pill both agree that men must improve themselves, but word it differently I mean that’s one way to test fitness lol. It’s more the idea of most men take the advice of TRP, being jacked and making good money fail to make you exceptional anymore, so because hypergamic selection doesn’t just disappear, women will simply select the men who have “and more than that too” which will end up being stuff like height or facial features which you can’t change. So at a point men have to realise the advice isn’t meant to work for every man. Indeed, there’s an unspoken assumption th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 02:57 PM
–	When a woman says "I love guys with long hair!" she's picturing a bearded masculine man to go with it. But how do you behave? When women say things like they “like feminine men” there is usually an implicit assumption that they favour either his behaviour or looks to be one of those things; but rarely both. So a man can “look” masculine but they like it if he has some feminine interests and personality traits. Or a man can “look” feminine but subscribes to more masculine behaviours like rebelliousness etc. But rarely they do they mean “I like men who look feminine and behave feminine” - and I mea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 10:03 AM
7	The Red and Blue Pill both agree that men must improve themselves, but word it differently Indeed. I guess it just depresses me on some level that the male response to “the problem of being male” in society seems to be pretty much “learn to play by the shitty rules” “play them in another arena” or “just don’t play at all” rather than something that feels more constructive. Not to say they don’t exist but they are far and few between. The power of sexual appetite is just too strong. You can see this when you compare feminism to male spaces. Feminism dedicates perhaps a portion of its d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 07:18 AM
11	The Red and Blue Pill both agree that men must improve themselves, but word it differently And this is why resources for men suck in general. Because the fact of the matter is, most men are average. You can’t claim otherwise. And yet TRP claims you have to be exceptional to succeed (which doesn’t work, because if everyone becomes exceptional you merely shift the definition of what exceptional is, so that top 20% are still the top tier pick and eventually it comes down to stuff you can’t fix) And the blue pill acts like being “average” isn’t enough and you also have to go out of your w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/23 06:38 AM
–	As a short dude, I completely understand women's pickiness for height. I agree relative height is a reasonable enough preference (on average men are taller than women). I disagree that the “magical 6ft” is reasonable. It’s strangely arbitrary and only possessed by 15% of the male population on average. That seems like a stupidly arbitrary reason to chunk your pool of eligible partners for something that you probably can’t even discern upon a visual glance. Like I get the “you’re taller than me” thing. Totally. What I don’t understand is the “be taller than me at at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 10:10 PM
3	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals Oh indeed, I disagree it is naturally occurring or an error of sorts. The transition to moving the meaning of things into the land of symbols and imitations is contrived and purposeful. It’s the arguably inevitable result of what happens you change the principal economic systems of societies from one that is based upon a tangible thing (gold, coinage) to one that is based upon an abstract interpretation of such that doesn’t necessarily rely on it at all (digital age capitalism). It makes absolut…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 09:27 PM
2	“Just Be Yourself” and other passive platitudes about dating This is it. It’s not about complacency with “just being yourself” it’s about the authenticity of doing it. This is where the natural “self improvement angle” works in. It is natural and authentic to seek to flourish. Nobody interprets someone being a dirty slob, or being purposefully rude as “wanting to authentically be that way” so much they would choose it in a vacuum. It’s a place they may arrive at sometimes but we aren’t the circumstances of our lives so much as the choices we make in respo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 09:08 PM
3	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals What I mean is the ideas that come from the object cause people to focus instead in the hypotheticals it offers in potential instead of the reality that is before them. Example: Online connectivity and social media; I can connect with people from X, Y or Z (reality) and keep in touch with them easily. I could find a partner with A qualities surely. Then again, why could I not possibly find someone perhaps in ZZ, with A+1 qualities? (Hypothetical), I mean that person I spoke to from Z surely isn’…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 08:26 PM
5	Happily partnered folks, does your (heterosexual) relationship seem at all similar to RP beliefs or is very different? My and my wife do not subscribe to the traditional RP advocacy. For reference I do not genuinely believe much advice in the RP is helpful to men looking to sustain relationships overall and it’s a bit of a racket honestly (if I were to go on a longer rant I’d describe it as being one of the forces that ultimately frustrates male advocacy in general). Back to the question. My wife and I earn similar amounts of money overall. She works more hours than me because I reduced my hours to allow for my …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 07:55 PM
13	CMV: "Emotional vulnerability" is true, albeit misleading I think emotional vulnerability is an “idea over reality” concept when it comes to men being vulnerable. Like the idea of having a partner be so attuned to you he shares his softer side is appealing and speaks to the woman in question obviously having that special something. The reality however I think many forget is emotional vulnerability necessarily requires weakness displays, and often problems that prompt such, and I think far fewer women are equipped to deal with that side of it than the o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 07:35 PM
16	We're going full circle, conservative sexual morality will become the norm again for heterosexuals Agree. Gen Z isn’t having lots of sex at all compared to other gens. And I don’t blame them. Women are expecting men to make the first move, whilst also making it difficult for them to do so, so many men just don’t bother. If the men don’t bother, the women don’t get approached, and nobody has sex except the men who have the means and machinations to be above the “social scrutiny” other men live in fear of. And this kinda bears out when you look at the stats. Twice as many women are having sex i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 03:28 PM
2	Does a man have to be better in some aspects than a woman in order for her to be attracted to him? I think this is a complex question that requires a good deal more analysis that I have available. However generally I understand the following (and much of this will be subject to my own interpretations and observations than citation of a known fact). Men are not repulsed by women outperforming them so to speak. However they are repulsed by the notion that a woman outperforming them in some aspect causes their masculinity to be called into question. So it’s not the fact of a woman doing X, it’s …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 03:13 PM
–	What is behavioral masculinity? It is the manifestation of behaviours associated with masculine individuals or prompted by a masculine mindset - but without the manifestation of that. Example- Traditional (some call toxic) masculinity is “I will fix the car because that’s a man’s job and women shouldn’t do it.” Behavioural Masculinity is simply taking initiative in being the one to fix the car without tying it to the idea it’s “your job” or “something she can’t do”. It’s performative masculinity or instrumental masculinity. I …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 02:10 PM
–	Q4M: Males, do you experience the "ick"? It so - what? If not, why not? Because generally men receive negative feedback when discussing and sharing even relatively reasonable and justified preferences or deal breakers. So most probably come to the conclusion that sharing “irrational or trivial” dealbreakers won’t go much better for them, so they just don’t share them. From there they either “decide to get over them” because of desperation or they don’t, but they will come up with a different non descriptive reason for rejecting the woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 01:16 PM
1	How would you feel about an "All men are handsome" campaign? Because women and men are socialised differently. Words and their meanings are very important socialising as a woman. Women tend to have more deep and numerous social connections than men and tend to use language in less literal ways. Words are the currency. Men are principally judged not on what they say, but what they can show. This socialises them to expect the same. This is why men don’t really recognise or receive compliments well; because aside from rarely receiving them, they don’t really…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 12:43 PM
2	Does a man have to be better in some aspects than a woman in order for her to be attracted to him? I don’t think that is what OP is saying. OP is asking that can it be said women (on average) tend to be attracted to men who objectively outperform them in various ways (and are in that sense superior) as opposed to women being comfortable with the opposite. For example taller, stronger, more materially established, possibly more professional renowned etc. I’m assuming the comparison point is men not doing the same. Ie Men don’t tend to care if a woman has less money or education. Although I do …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/23 12:27 PM
2	Should we be defending Russell Brand or chastising him? You what. You’re in a men’s rights sub arguing that unequivocally disowning and shunning a man based off of “what someone said he did ten years ago” is somehow the consistent play here? Something something presumption of innocence? Did you forget that part? Let the facts reveal the truth. Until then, If you engage in any form of stoking the hysteria or feeding the rumour mill on this is argue you are working against men’s rights. As often men do not enjoy the presumption of innocence (despite it…	/r/MensRights	19/09/23 09:08 AM
2	This sub sometimes just feels like a Female bashing club I never said you said any of that stuff? Why do you assume I’m attacking you? I’m simply using stuff your comment raised to raise some thoughts. Nothing more or less. If I wanted to attribute words to you, I would do so.	/r/MensRights	15/09/23 02:46 PM
29	Unpopular opinion: Focusing on the dating scene is harming men's rights movement And this is why Redpill stuff should never be muddled with MRA because redpill stuff is almost exclusively aimed towards the sphere of dating and relationships; personal interactions. There is definitely a crisis regarding male loneliness and the dating scene, but I wouldn’t consider it an issue of rights. The issues of men’s rights may bleed into what the dating scene manifests as, but that doesn’t mean addressing the dating issues directly will resolve any men’s rights issues.	/r/MensRights	15/09/23 08:19 AM
3	How can we not seem like a male supremacy group? And the thing is they aren’t the same. And it isn’t helped when people within MRA space claim they are, or they’re “a part of it” or parrot their talking points. Red pill has nothing to do with men’s rights. It is basically the male-targeted version of “well-being and lifestyle influencers”. They’re selling a product to a demographic, that product is usually their “courses” or “seminars” which promise a “ultimate solution”. Those people don’t give a crap about shared parental leave for fathers, …	/r/MensRights	15/09/23 07:17 AM
2	This sub sometimes just feels like a Female bashing club I suppose the discussion becomes one of “is the identification of the misandry displayed by women used tactically” however. An “identify, assess, respond” approach makes sense absolutely. However if we don’t get beyond “identify” then I think it’s fair to call it nothing more than hand wringing. Sometimes there is a place for it and venting is useful, but if hand wringing dominates an advocacy space you end up with a form of slacktivism. Similarly to the “green groups” that display such. Thousan…	/r/MensRights	15/09/23 06:58 AM
6	How do you think we can solve education gap? Re-introduce “golden handshake” incentive for male teachers where tuition costs for teacher training can be paid for by a given institution seeking to employ the male teacher guaranteeing them employment after successful completion and training with them. Said institution also offers the male applicant the hours needed to log classroom hours. Raise the general salary of a teacher. Teachers do a lot of work in the UK but you need to be a very senior teacher to see pay above the average national s…	/r/MensRights	15/09/23 06:23 AM
3	Woman blackmailed man with false rape allegation unless he paid her £5000. The fact she did this in such an obvious way shows her complete confidence she would avoid prosecution. What does sophistication have to do with it? If I smash someone’s head in with a hammer as opposed to building a complex device that delivers poison to their weetabix via a series of drone signals; is the end result not the same? I offed someone in a premeditated manner and deserve the punishment for that. Whether I used sophistication to accomplish that or not is irrelevant.	/r/MensRights	13/09/23 07:17 AM
1	Men, does religion help or hurt men’s rights? Or is atheism/agnosticism more freeing? (I’m hoping for a diverse range of opinions) Agree. It is more than religion is associated with non-progressive stances than atheism is necessarily progressive. However there is definitely overlap, a common outcome of hardcore atheism is to see perhaps naturally the human as the center of the world, and it’s only so long before many conclude that therefore the only logical way forward is a form of individualist existentialism to guide one’s life. Where this happens, progressivism naturally bleeds in because progressivism is closely linked …	/r/MensRights	13/09/23 06:49 AM
2	How does one disapprove the existence of patriarchy in a debate? Doubling the workforce essentially reduces the value of labour according to supply and demand. So when women entered the workforce the value of male labour (or just labour in general) went down because it suddenly became way less scarce. As individual labour value goes down, spending goes up as more people have more money in their pockets now. This causes prices to rise and products to match spending power. In order to keep the balance of money “in the economy” and in peoples hands. As prices go…	/r/MensRights	04/09/23 09:13 AM
5	No more erasure That’s the thing about male suicide rates; they’re often linked to all the other “male issues” which are disparate and not really looked at, and they bubble up into a contribution to the suicide figure. Men don’t just randomly kill themselves in higher numbers. They do it because the “minor comparative issue” of women domestically assaulting men is ignored, and they have no support. They do it because they’re laughed at and mocked when they were sexually assaulted. They do it when they lose thei…	/r/MensRights	03/09/23 06:50 AM
4	No more erasure I disagree that stating something happens is tantamount to claiming it’s the “biggest issue”. And what if it isn’t? Should we not give a crap? That appears to the current stance regarding male sexual assault. Yet somehow there is an extreme fixation on female suicide despite male suicide eclipsing it. Shall we tell the people campaigning for awareness of female suicide that they need to “stop making out it’s a massive issue” because the male issue is larger? No. Because that would be absolutely …	/r/MensRights	02/09/23 11:02 PM
6	No more erasure No one downplayed it? Merely brought up the comparative point that is rarely discussed to the same degree. The fact that you interpreted a juxtaposition of the issues as “downplaying one” is exactly the point (I assume) the slides are trying to make. There is a very binary approach to equality issues where talking about one side of the coin is seen to be invalidating the other; when that isn’t how it works at all. The opening slides literally say “this is an issue” and describes female sexual ab…	/r/MensRights	02/09/23 07:52 AM
10	Is it true women were not seen as intrinsically valuable in most religions? Not really. Firstly it depends upon your view of “valued” and whether you see the natural role of women as mothers and nurturers as demeaning or not as a lot of religions emphasise that angle. The modern take is to see it as “reductive” but many religions held women in special esteem due to these qualities. Secondarily, certain religions traditionally elevated individual powers of women based upon this traditional perspective. Judaism and Islam come to mind as two of the best examples. Within tr…	/r/MensRights	28/08/23 09:36 AM
5	Some critiques of this subreddit, does it need to change? Fantastic way to counter the OP point. I won’t be going anywhere. This group is about mens rights, not political allegiance. If you don’t like that, tough fucking shit. This isn’t a feminist echo chamber that bans dissent, so the fact you’re calling for other people to disappear because they disagree with you over something that is nothing to do with men’s rights is fucking hilarious. And you think all of left wing ideology is like that? So clearly the roots of left wing ideology as targeted at …	/r/MensRights	25/08/23 10:58 PM
1	Some critiques of this subreddit, does it need to change? You do realise the majority of this sub when polled identified as some form of left-wing, right? Please abandon the idea that “lefties” are opposed to men’s rights and to support men’s rights you must oppose left wing ideology. It’s regressive. Left wing ideology is gigantic and should not be interpreted as being a monolith in the same way right wingers shouldn’t be lumped in with totalitarian fascists or religious xenophobic zealots. Let’s exercise a little nuance please.	/r/MensRights	25/08/23 10:10 PM
1	Why isn't the masculinist movement more of a thing? Right, in the spirit of respect, I’ll continue the conversation here if you can point to where I said “feminism used to be angelic” because you are massively distorting what I’m actually saying and demonstrating precisely the kind of knee jerk behaviour I’m talking about. I said feminism was more analytical and reflective. That’s it. I didn’t say it was free of criticism, I didn’t say it was completely free of lunatics. I didn’t say it didn’t have fanatics in their numbers. I said compared to mo…	/r/MensRights	25/08/23 09:59 PM
1	Why isn't the masculinist movement more of a thing? The thing with feminism however is what feminism was and what feminism is now were quite different. Modern feminism largely rests upon the bed crafted by older feminism, and older feminism was much more reflective and analytical by comparison. Modern feminism is a different animals that benefits from wearing the clothing of the former to garner societal acceptance. It didn’t become a “social norm” by behaving the way it does now. It behaved differently, and has morphed over time. So to me, sayin…	/r/MensRights	25/08/23 07:32 AM
1	Why isn't the masculinist movement more of a thing? I’m against forcing any sort of role on men, be it full masculinity or femininity. This should be up to men to determine for themselves what they want to embrace. I have no problem with either. I have problems with people to assert that one or the other is “more of a man” “better kind of man”. I don’t care what the gender is of the one doing the asserting. And I agree gynocentric society and feminism is eroding aspects of the masculine role and underplaying the utility of the role to try and pai…	/r/MensRights	25/08/23 06:29 AM
9	Why isn't the masculinist movement more of a thing? Indeed. Women “have each others backs” in a general way a lot more than men do regarding social positioning. On an individual scale a man is more likely to help a random woman in need than another man as well. Women do the same (if they do). The only real divide feminists really fight massively over outside of the recent trans debate is the position of motherhood and embracing natural feminine nurturing. Some feminists argue it is a choice as any other and thus valid; others argue it’s essential…	/r/MensRights	24/08/23 09:24 AM
1	Why isn't the masculinist movement more of a thing? The divisions within the male advocacy yes, it’s more nuanced but I’m just pointing out two of the main “poles” in contention. There are a myriad of other divisions too I’m sure. The flexible approach is the one I favour. I prefer the idea of people assuming roles based upon the benefit to their situation/personal preferences/comfort rather than because society tells them to by virtue of their genitals. For example if at one point in my life I want to grind and hustle, that should be fine. If I …	/r/MensRights	24/08/23 07:38 AM
5	Why isn't the masculinist movement more of a thing? Because there are vast divides over what men want. One group of men want men to be freed from their traditional gender roles like women are so they can participate in society freely. This means abandoning things like “you’re a part time parent” “you must pay for the first date” “you’re the one who must be breadwinner” “your value is tied to your wealth” and so on. Then there is another group of men who have no problem with any of that, their problem is that women/society don’t bow to those ideas…	/r/MensRights	24/08/23 06:21 AM
-1	Thoughts on Barbie ( It’s anti-simp not anti-men ) I liked it I think it’s complex because I agree somewhat it isn’t “anti men” in a general sense so much as “anti behaviours men commonly express” but there is a bit of a problem with the whole conclusion where the Kens are still denied representation by virtue of them being Kens. Seems very patronising. But I do think it does have some potentially useful topics to reflect on such as how women-centric lifestyles rarely result in anything enduringly constructive for men. Constantly vying for their attention …	/r/MensRights	23/08/23 12:27 PM
3	Boys in School: 33 years of failure A lot of people know, but they don’t care because society (both men and women) continue to normalise the idea that it’s “kind of fine because boys will enter the trades and unis are made up of feminist hogwash anyway” They’re made up of feminist hogwash because we keep telling boys it’s no problem if they don’t go there because they’re better off entering a trade. Women don’t enter a C suite job at certain rates, people in society talk about it as an issue. Boys don’t enter higher education at c…	/r/MensRights	23/08/23 09:56 AM
16	Boys in School: 33 years of failure Feminised curriculum design and maintenance. This is such a complex issue I don’t even know where to begin. I say this as an educator who works in the tiertery sector in the UK and has also worked in higher education as well; teaching “traditionally feminist” subjects like sociology, psychology etc. The starting point is curriculum design has become very feminised over time due to the prevalence of female teachers over men. Men and women do not think and learn in the same ways. Boys generally be…	/r/MensRights	23/08/23 09:46 AM
3	Unpaid labour is Unpaid labour Your final paragraph touches on an important point; the necessity of the “labour”. What we often find in these studies is arguably overestimated Labour necessity on part of the women who do the SAHM thing. Ie reeling off like 5 hours of cleaning a day. I’d agree a house can benefit from a “tidy” every day in terms of maybe countertop wipedowns and the like, but I don’t think the bathroom needs a thorough clean every single day and I don’t think the rooms need hoovering every single day either. S…	/r/MensRights	23/08/23 09:20 AM
3	Unpaid labour is Unpaid labour Unpaid labour is a nonsense concept and the modern definition is stretched so far as to include basic aspects of managing relationships (like compromise, negotiation, discussion) as some form of “emotional labour”. No. All of this stuff is simply called “living with maturity and independence” and it doesn’t have a monetary value when being applied to your own life. It’s merely maintenance. Balance in these areas in a partnership is important for mental wellbeing yes , but the idea it is even vag…	/r/MensRights	23/08/23 09:07 AM
19	Calling out your fiancee for cheating is now “psychological violence” How does this even work legally? I thought sueing for reputational damage could only work if the party being sued was essentially defaming the individual without just cause, or on basis of suspected but unproven facts. How can you have a legal case to say “I’ve been damaged reputationally because someone reported on a fact of my behaviour that is correct, and that has caused others to judge me and I don’t like the outcome.” Surely it sets a precedent that people somehow have some weird legal rig…	/r/MensRights	23/08/23 08:56 AM
17	Who's falling between the cracks? I’d argue society thinks men can be vulnerable; but not to external problems or ailments, but vulnerable to their own vices, absolutely. The extreme policing and crackdown of many MRA spaces is built on the idea that men are “vulnerable to radicalisation” for example. Basically men have weaknesses never as a result of society, only weaknesses that may apparently harm society. Bullshit of course.	/r/MensRights	21/08/23 09:49 PM
22	The "Alone At Night" Argument TheTinMan posted one of his infographic things that covered some of the records taken from muggers and street criminals and there was lots of lines about how targeting women “feels wrong” or they know it will cause more commotion than targeting a man so they actively try to target men instead because it’s more likely their crime will be successful and if they have to use violence they feel less guilty about doing so. Yet feminists will say “but it’s men doing it to men” despite the fact we have …	/r/MensRights	21/08/23 11:13 AM
41	The "Alone At Night" Argument What does that matter? The fact remains that men are more at risk of being attacked or killed when out alone at night. Just because it’s by their own gender it doesn’t somehow mitigate the fact? Whatever next? I’m pretty sure if a female serial killer emerged who targeted women people wouldn’t just downplay the seriousness to women because “well the killers a woman so it’s kinda your problem”. Hell fucking no.	/r/MensRights	21/08/23 11:09 AM
1	How do I, as a woman, navigate men's rights? Liking the traditional family structure has nothing to do with viewing women as inferior or suggesting that women should take harassment from men. If people want to go for a traditional lifestyle that’s cool. My contention is choice. People should be free to pursue which they like. My issue with the redpill general territory at the tradcon level is they seem to believe that forcing everyone to pursue a certain choice would solve all of men’s issues. I don’t agree. Not every man is going to find …	/r/MensRights	20/08/23 03:23 PM
6	Stop Criticizing Women and Start Questioning Men Instead Well said. Primarily because to be “top 500” you usually have to be anti-ideology. Ideology is bad for business. Feminism can’t be anti-ideology. So these “empowered boss feminists” usually don’t make the killer startup CEOs they think they should be because their ideology gets in the way of their business success. So instead they need someone to build up the business and then they take over (and often torpedo it unless they’ve learnt to separate ideology from business) Great example; a video po…	/r/MensRights	20/08/23 07:35 AM
1	How do I, as a woman, navigate men's rights? Your perception of MRA seems to be derived from the online “PUA/Hustle/redpill” section of the manosphere. It is worth noting that many of these sections are very tradcon without saying they are, and they insist on gender essentialism. Not all of the MRA believes these things. You mentioned Sneako in one of your posts. Sneako is a good example of someone who is within the manosphere for largely unconstructive reasons. He isn’t terribly concerned with men’s rights so much as merely “exposing wome…	/r/MensRights	20/08/23 07:19 AM
8	I just looked up Epstein posts on this sub because I was interested in what your guys opinion would be on a genuine convicted sex offender. I don't know much about the community but understood it has a bad rep so wanted to see if you shared any common ground with feminists/the general public. TheTinMan did a wonderful post regarding what you are doing; “demanding a ring kiss” or “bow of the head”. Basically; “it’s all well and good you discuss mens issues and rights, but how dare you not take a moment to consider women’s first?” Why? This is a men’s rights space. If you want the “women’s angle” first and foremost, go to one of the several hundred female advocacy spaces. But what you don’t get to do is go into one of the less than a dozen men’s spaces, and chastise them for focusing “…	/r/MensRights	20/08/23 06:53 AM
9	Talk is cheap. Re: police brutality it’s basically the recognition that the common racial focus of conversation about police brutality masks the extremely gendered picture of it. To put it bluntly people are very concerned as to whether it is black men or white men or brown men who suffer more at the hands of police but nobody seems interested in the fact that the sufferers in any given case; with any given race are overwhelmingly male. The “maleness” of the police brutality conversation is always ignored in f…	/r/MensRights	19/08/23 07:34 PM
8	Context: In the UK at the moment there is a high profile case of a female nurse murdering 7 babies over the course of a year. 7 babies. 7. I don’t think sentencing is the issue with Letby re: men’s rights as it is likely she’ll get a whole life order. The issue is how long it took her to be brought to justice and how on several occasions the coincidence of her being involved in every single suspect instance of child arrest sometimes as far as being a recent handover wasn’t really scrutinised until she’d harmed several already. Too many instances of concerns being brushed off. It’s a fantastic show of the “women are wonderful effect…	/r/MensRights	19/08/23 06:44 PM
2	“How are you feeling today?”, “A man will answer okay even when he is not okay” let’s change this… Men as a whole lack spaces dedicated to listening. Emotional declarations tend to be met with: hostility if the emotions are seen as violent or even possibly violent redirection “it’s not so bad, why X happened to me the other day” minimisation “Well Y have to deal X as well you know” stroking token advice “well I’m sure it will pass” (attempting to end the uncomfortable conversation) blame “well if you did Y then surely that wouldn’t be an issue?” derision “pull up your socks” There is grand la…	/r/MensRights	19/08/23 07:34 AM
4	Why do feminists ask for equality but also want "queen treatment" from men, almost seems like female superiority The usual defence is “it’s my preference”. As if what one prefers and what one advocates for socially is okay to be different. But it doesn’t make sense. Firstly, if someone prefers a belief that is contrary to what they advocate, you’d be well within your right to question in their advocacy totally. If you aren’t willing to apply to behaviour/belief to your own personal life, why should anyone listen to you when you say you think it should be a social standard? Secondly it normalises a contradi…	/r/MensRights	19/08/23 06:58 AM
12	Women Cheating on Their Husbands I can’t remember where I read it/heard it but it was within the context of women, cheating and the allure of the bad boy (and why women will cheat on a perfectly decent man with a bad guy) It went something like “It’s not even how you treat a woman. Good. Bad. Nice. Mean. That’s irrelevant when it comes to her loyalty. There are women who will stand by a guy who is a waste of space and women who will be super quick to betray the perfect husband. All that matters is that you mustn’t let a woman b…	/r/MensRights	15/08/23 05:27 AM
3	Why do men get attacked for having boundaries and standards ,a husband got called “ pathetically insecure and territorial”. in popular subreddit because he wasn’t comfortable with his wife modelling underwear? I thought my opening comment would make it clear my stance is more “I can see why they may say that” than thinking it’s a worthwhile stance to defend in itself. I even acknowledged I agree with you personally on the matter. Rather alluding to the generalisations that are used in reverse to justify the mindset. But sure, negative targeted diatribe about “lectures” and me needing to check myself, awesome dialogue. Constructive.	/r/MensRights	14/08/23 06:43 PM
-12	Jordan Peterson Discriminating Against Men That’s a massive generalisation of feminism and you know it. Feminism has done PLENTY of work on analysing what it is to be a woman, women’s new role in the world, identity, sexual emancipation and freedom, etc etc. to boil the entire movement to “men suck” is just lazy. That’s third wave feminism. What about 1st and 2nd wave? They only mentioned men in reference to stuff women didn’t have within society. Other than that their primary dialogue was focused on women, what it means to be a woman an…	/r/MensRights	14/08/23 02:32 PM
17	Jordan Peterson Discriminating Against Men Nowhere in that clip does he say men should “morph to get pussy”. He simply says “change”. That could mean anything. It could mean compliance, it could mean withdrawal from the pursuit altogether instead of trying and failing. He says it’s bizarre to him in the manosphere that the focus isn’t on what men are or how men might adapt to the world as it is changing but instead on how women or “the world” are wrong and need to change. I agree with him. An advocacy movement won’t get very far if it’s …	/r/MensRights	14/08/23 11:07 AM
4	Why do men get attacked for having boundaries and standards ,a husband got called “ pathetically insecure and territorial”. in popular subreddit because he wasn’t comfortable with his wife modelling underwear? Blindly following statistics is foolish yes. And ultimately like you I personally don’t care about it to a severe degree either (I care more about current preoccupation than past). I suppose my point is more to illustrate that the argument “the only reason men would have an issue with body count is insecurity” is just a lazy generalisation. If one looks close enough there are certainly more than a couple reasons why men may favour it, and they don’t necessarily have anything to do with insecurit…	/r/MensRights	14/08/23 10:51 AM
5	Why do men get attacked for having boundaries and standards ,a husband got called “ pathetically insecure and territorial”. in popular subreddit because he wasn’t comfortable with his wife modelling underwear? That’s what happens and generates the complaints. Women feel it’s not right that men don’t enter a relationship with women at all with such counts. Men generally don’t girlfriend women they don’t intend to pursue a significant relationship with (if he’s so inclined) the view of marriage in the horizon. They’re happy to maintain causal “going nowhere” relationships with these women, but the women are complaining that they’re not being picked as “the long term choice” by these men and not being up…	/r/MensRights	14/08/23 07:28 AM
3	Are there any response to this argument? "it's other men" It’s simple. Regarding each of these stats or figures, ask the individual if any of them significantly decrease whenever a woman is in political power. Because if “men at the top” are to be blamed, then surely that would change. Something tells me male suicide, being assaulted, dying in war, etc do not suddenly go down when a woman is in charge. So the whole “it’s men” is a straw man. It’s SOCIETY.	/r/MensRights	14/08/23 06:53 AM
9	Why do men get attacked for having boundaries and standards ,a husband got called “ pathetically insecure and territorial”. in popular subreddit because he wasn’t comfortable with his wife modelling underwear? Indeed. Ironically someone who is prepared to bend their own wants, standards and values just because they’re afraid of someone leaving them is extremely insecure. Someone who asserts their boundary knowing full well it could implode their relationship is very secure in themselves. How they present it is important however. The focus needs to be kept on how the behaviour relates to them (ie “It is a boundary cross for me that you are doing X behaviour. Therefore I am not choosing to continue a re…	/r/MensRights	14/08/23 06:41 AM
7	Why do men get attacked for having boundaries and standards ,a husband got called “ pathetically insecure and territorial”. in popular subreddit because he wasn’t comfortable with his wife modelling underwear? Depends on the extent of sexual past really. There’s a chasm of variation in it, and i don’t think it’s fair to assume the men citing concern over it are looking for virgins. Just women without an excessive count. You need to be aware, there are college-age women with figures in the 20+ range these days. For someone who’s only been sexually active for a shortish period, that is quite high. There are some with even higher. I don’t think most men would baulk at a twenty something women with 6/7 pr…	/r/MensRights	14/08/23 06:25 AM
11	Why do men get attacked for having boundaries and standards ,a husband got called “ pathetically insecure and territorial”. in popular subreddit because he wasn’t comfortable with his wife modelling underwear? So not wanting to be with a partner who doesn’t take drugs isn’t a boundary? What is it then? How about not being with a partner who has committed excessive crimes? Cheated on all their partners? I mean none of these things concern you directly, right? Call it a dealbreaker, boundary, preference. It doesn’t matter. It amounts to the same thing; it’s something someone in a relationship won’t accept if they come to knowledge about it as they do not want that sort of thing in a partner/relationship…	/r/MensRights	14/08/23 06:13 AM
6	Most men commit suicide because of horrible circumstances (with no foreseeable improvement in the future) rather than mental illness. The two are definitely linked. I’d go as far as to say most men’s mental health issues are borne of their perception/experience of social issues rather than interpersonal ones. So for example depression because of losing kids or your house, anxiety because of inability to accrue savings. The key recognition with this is merely “talking it out” isn’t really a good solution. If someone is literally struggling because they can’t see their kids, “talking them through it” isn’t going to remedy the si…	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 03:16 PM
7	A movement now in UK to pay retail staff (dominated by women) same as warehouse and distribution staff ( dominated by men). Their reasoning is flawed then, I’m arguing for a principle that isn’t even at play here, my bad and apologies.	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 03:07 PM
4	Shamed because I picked up a 6 year old girl. I’ve yet to be lavished with this apparent praise for looking after my own kids. My own experience has been one of being patronised for doing it and it being assumed I can’t cope as opposed to given a pat on the back. I just want to get on with my kids. I don’t want people celebrating, patronising or being suspicious of me doing it. Just let me get on with it.	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 02:03 PM
-2	A movement now in UK to pay retail staff (dominated by women) same as warehouse and distribution staff ( dominated by men). I never said they should be paid the same as it because they work in the same place at all. That’s a straw man. The point is they’re asking for more money and that money happens to be the same that warehouse staff are paid. Saying they’re “trying to treat two jobs as if they’re the same” is whataboutery. If I pay a chef X and I also agree that a construction supervisor should be paid X, that isn’t me saying “a chef is exactly the same kind of work as a construction site”. I’m merely saying their…	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 01:59 PM
1	A movement now in UK to pay retail staff (dominated by women) same as warehouse and distribution staff ( dominated by men). Many of them prefer to go for those roles, but those roles are usually very competitive so are usually taken up quickly. Given the choice between a role that does work that is largely predictable, entirely away from customers and largely without sporadic interruptions for more money, versus the one where you are expected to adjust your work dynamically based on customers, interact with customers, and still have an expectation of “to do” for less, which do you think people tend to prefer? Warehou…	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 01:54 PM
-4	A movement now in UK to pay retail staff (dominated by women) same as warehouse and distribution staff ( dominated by men). I don’t see how this is a gendered issue. This is more to do with the question of whether retail staff are comparatively paid enough for the work they do than it has to do with pay of men versus women. Most retail jobs are paid fuck all and to describe them as being justified in doing that would be wrong in my opinion. They often bear the brunt of customer attitude and appeasement, and the judgement of management etc and lack a good deal of freedom in their working conditions compared to some “b…	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 12:46 PM
6	We need to be more radical Bingo. MRA does not need to get more radical. Radical regimes only win the hearts and minds of their opposition through either violence or pity. You’ll find neither in the mainstream for men at the moment- but it will convince them their stereotyping of MRA as crazy activists is correct. MRA needs to get more pragmatic. Less focus on “one upping” feminists on talking points that aren’t pushed any further. Less focus on pointing a smirking finger at hypocrisy. These things only work if the person…	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 12:38 PM
1	Shamed because I picked up a 6 year old girl. My context is UK, and atm honestly I think gender relations/class relations are in a more suspect state than race relations. Not that it’s perfect, mind. But it seems to be a far larger disconnect of how men and women relate and how the upper and lower classes relate than how black individuals and white individuals relate. My setting is quite urban however so that may be part of it. I do t imagine it’s the same in rural settings.	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 12:24 PM
2	Do Not Quit Hear hear. This is a big part of why I remain within my sphere of employment. I work within higher education and lecture primarily on psychology but also social sciences like sociology. I’ve also done my share of clinical work as well and still get involved in local support schemes to do with men’s mental health etc where I can. I understand university may not appeal to all due to how feminised it is seen to be, but if all men are pushed out then what hope is left? The way we overturn the proble…	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 09:57 AM
3	Does anyone else think unironically masculinity is far more complicated than its ever in the history of Western society? Masculinity as a concept in modern society socially (in the social conscious) is underdeveloped and seen as a pragmatic yet out of date concept. It has some usefulness but it is only called upon in certain situations and is something “kept around” because of that (and lack of an alternative) not because it is seen as the “best way” or something to be socially championed. Masculinity in the experiential dimension is still alive and kicking but is experiencing an identity crisis. Most men have a g…	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 09:42 AM
25	"Kissing the Ring", are you tired of apologising? It’s a generalisation, but it is accurate. So like for example you want to talk about male victims of sexual assault. Invariably at some point someone will bark up “but women are greater victims of it!!!” “What about women?” So most people will put in a disclaimer where they first point out they’re aware of women’s issues, and agree they are issues but they want to discuss solely men, to avoid this kind of whataboutism that often occurs when discussing men’s issues. The irony is, the whole #nota…	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 09:29 AM
1	Shamed because I picked up a 6 year old girl. I think race can factor into it. My kids are mixed (my wife is black, I’m white) and I think that plays into it regarding some of the looks I get as my kids definitely resemble my wife more than they do me at a glance. Interesting I’ve noticed however is that it is rarely if ever black women who give me the looks or question whether my kids are “alright”.	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 07:36 AM
23	Shamed because I picked up a 6 year old girl. I think you’re onto something here. I take my kids to the park every few days but we’re generally out and about almost every other day during the summer break (which it is now). I have a son 6 and daughter recently 8. Aside from the weird looks from (usually) women (both my kids are pretty comfortable being tactile with me, ie initiating holding my hand, cuddles, etc). In most of these outings it is observed that the women taking their kids to similar places either sit to the side disengaged exc…	/r/MensRights	11/08/23 07:11 AM
2	We often talk about women being entitled, misandric and anti-MRM, but we fail to acknowledge that most men have those same views I don’t disagree with much of this. The red pill “wins by default” because the left has pretty much abandoned men in the main. Men are a hot potato the left won’t touch, despite left wing thought existing within many MRAs. The thing is, the “left in society” simply won’t deal with them; so they’re only seen as a fringe group at best or conflated with the redpill/tradcons etc on basis of the MRA tag. Regarding the earlier comment re: embracing masculine roles as a remedy to suicide. I can see the…	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 10:19 PM
1	Body positivity… men’s edition That is a good question. I think once again the argument will be on of coming from both genders. I think it women genuinely propagated the idea In dominance, we’d see way more women doing so today than we do. Instead, it’s mainly men pushing the idea it’s desirable, and I think that stems from men associating it with masculinity and thus power in history. Given traditionally a man would need physical strength to Labour and fight off enemies, to be a peak man was to have these traits and earn the…	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 03:00 PM
2	We often talk about women being entitled, misandric and anti-MRM, but we fail to acknowledge that most men have those same views I don’t disagree. I don’t believe that image of male ideal behaviour is being pushed because of a patriarchal ghost or whatnot; but a genuine belief that in the current age, it does present men with the greatest probability of success. I just think it’s blinkered when the same people recommending that also moan about male suicide and the like; the two are literally causally linked. To me, it’s very much a “so long as I’m one of the ones who pulls it off, fuck everyone else who gets dragged down …	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 01:32 PM
5	The new crisis of masculinity Bingo. The problem isn’t “women doing well”. It’s holding men to an out of date stereotype where “they need to be just a bit better than the women they marry” financially at the same time. The two ideas don’t even harmonise at all. You can’t have a world where women are completely equal to men financially and yet when it comes to relationships one gender always insists on dating their better. It leaves half of the society out. That model only works if you make it socially acceptable for women to…	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 11:36 AM
34	'Forced to Penetrate', hearing the stories of men. This absolutely this. This is also why it’s so important for men to have access to male support when seeking professional aid for being a victim of sexual assault and/or violence. For women, sexual arousal seems to be largely closely linked to conscious things. She needs to be “in the mood” or “warmed up” to being experiencing that arousal significantly. It doesn’t just happen because she sees a six pack or whatever. For men it is largely physiological. Men can see visual stimuli and then stuff …	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 11:21 AM
3	We often talk about women being entitled, misandric and anti-MRM, but we fail to acknowledge that most men have those same views I may type up some thoughts later, as said I need to organise them to look at some references for some of the general talking points I’ve made regarding those I see as the “stumbling blocks”.	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 11:02 AM
8	'Forced to Penetrate', hearing the stories of men. Great post. In particular for bringing once again to the fore one of the principal issues facing men in modern society when it comes to seeking professional emotional and psychological support: the service that provides this is overwhelmingly conducted with an assumed female client base, and as such employs overwhelmingly female practitioners who work from this assumption. Society needs to understand that it has no justification in wagging the finger at men reluctant to seek or struggling to uti…	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 10:59 AM
3	We often talk about women being entitled, misandric and anti-MRM, but we fail to acknowledge that most men have those same views I agree, they don’t use the terms but their presentation is still that of “men’s interests” and talking about “men’s issues”. Their intended audience is men so in that way whether they call themselves male advocates or merely “lifestyle coaches” or whatever they still present a stumbling block to MRA in that way because their approach is ultimately regressive in my opinion. The thing is the solution part of such discussions is very vague. So there’s often a lot of pointing out stuff like how wom…	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 10:44 AM
7	We often talk about women being entitled, misandric and anti-MRM, but we fail to acknowledge that most men have those same views Thanks. I’d need to organise my thoughts more coherently but generally I hold the somewhat controversial view (that many have slagged me off for) that many of those claiming to be “men’s allies or advocates” are just as much of an issue as “the feminists” in pursuit of meaningful progress on men’s rights. Their vision of “men winning” not only reinforces stereotypes that lead to the unequal outcomes and treatment for men, much of what they preach is literally unattainable for the hoards of avera…	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 08:22 AM
1	Body positivity… men’s edition Agree on “tall dark and handsome” the muscles thing is a bit more complex though. I think it’s generally accurate to say most women want a man “in shape” but I disagree with the notion there’s this really strong surge from the female camp that men need bulging muscles and to “lift big or get out”. I would argue that that beauty standard IS mainly held and enforced by men and could be described as a male power fantasy. You only need to look at how many men as dating advice offer “hit the gym and …	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 08:04 AM
16	We often talk about women being entitled, misandric and anti-MRM, but we fail to acknowledge that most men have those same views It’s more than just the “blue pilled male feminists” who are opposition here. You also have the catastrophic hurdles thrown up by those claiming to be red pilled who are super duper keen to put forward hackneyed evolutionary theories as to why men must eternally be the breadwinners and labour mules for society. And take pride in it. All they advocate for is that a man roars “freedom!” As he rattles his chains; but they don’t really push anything liberating. For example they’re very loud about ho…	/r/MensRights	10/08/23 07:45 AM
8	Do we downplay misandry? The plight of gay men is one of the biggest middle fingers offered to you by the LGBT community. Rallying cries around “violence to LGBT” and discrimination etc as a blanket, and yet in almost all cases it is gay men who are disproportionately affected by these issues. But the LGBT community and progressives do not draw attention to that fact, instead treating them as blankets everyone is affected by and diminishing the notion that it is the fact that they are gay MEN that is significant here, n…	/r/MensRights	29/07/23 07:12 AM
11	Infidelity double standard A couple of possible reasons: Educated people tend to employ nuance: ie “shades of grey” over “black and white”. Women typically justify cheating with reasons like “my relationship wasn’t enough” “I outgrew him” etc. the more educated a woman, the more likely it would be plausibly for her to see her partner as “not enough” in comparison to herself. Feminism parrots the idea that women should never be content to “just be”, they always need to be assessing whether they’re “getting their worth” so …	/r/MensRights	29/07/23 06:36 AM
7	Infidelity double standard Years of conditioning and socialisation that basically sets the narrative “women cheat when something is wrong with the relationship or her partner, men cheat because there is something wrong with them.” When’s the last time you saw a woman who admitted to cheating just round it off to “yeah, because I could and wanted to? I couldn’t resist.” It almost never happens. There’s always “something missing” that prompted it in their justification. And whilst many men do the same, a fair amount hold up…	/r/MensRights	29/07/23 06:32 AM
2	Is there a better way to state the principle of "Innocent Until Proven Guilty"? Adding a third qualifier would be bad, as it would muddy the waters of the public more than it already is sand cause them to start determining probability of guilt on their own. Innocence has to be the default setting because the onus to prove anything otherwise is supposed to rest solely on the prosecutor and nobody else. If you start terming people neutral you set a precedent that there is a natural right to consider guilt or n equal probability to innocence and if you do that, the system brea…	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 10:49 AM
14	Dying for your partner The boy in the movie within her mind isn’t anything real, he’s just a hypothetical “made up dream boyfriend” based upon what she thinks is her “dream boyfriend material” based upon her stereotypical ideas of what makes an “amazing boyfriend”. In that respect though it’s pretty interesting because it’s arguably a comment on the kinds of qualities little girls as taught to desire in “their perfect man” and the hypothetical boyfriends self-sacrifice is like the only personality trait we see of him.…	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 09:42 AM
1	"Men are more likely to leave sick partners than women are"? Is this a fact? As said, we will not know without intensive studies. Saying something is plausible does not mean saying it is the case.	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 03:48 PM
1	Something I've noticed Agreed, it wouldn’t be magical but it would be a start. I just think there’s too much weighting in men’s advocacy in measurement of success ending in “bagging a woman”, so even if men aren’t simping extremely, they still care a disproportionate amount regarding women’s appraisal of them for self esteem. It’s complex. I understand sex drive, and how it strongly motivates most men to think this way/ however I do not think men are beyond “rising above” to placating their desire for sex in this mann…	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 12:49 PM
1	Something I've noticed I don’t disagree with that take at all. It’s very narcissistic to make such an assumption or some of the other behaviours within modern dating (like assuming a woman’s time is more valuable than a man’s, etc). It’s a two pronged problem, because women perpetuate the idea and try these behaviours, but it’s only really effective because frankly, it works, because men exist who do think a woman’s attention is really important. Women know that men are sensitive to their own sexual history and perfor…	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 11:53 AM
1	Something I've noticed I never said you did any of those things? I’m just taking time to point out these facts because in your opening post you mention “society” doing this and specifically “women” shaming men but you don’t mention specifically any men doing it, when the truth is subgroups of men are significant maintainers of this problem. It seems odd to specifically point how out women contribute, when you’ve already used the word society which implies them already, but avoid doing the same for men. Especially with…	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 07:02 AM
-5	"Men are more likely to leave sick partners than women are"? Is this a fact? The studies on this subject aren’t intensive enough to render a definitive conclusion either way. However on the basis of how important sex is in a marriage to men versus women and how sex is often one of the first areas impacted when terminal or severe illness is on the table the notion that men may be more prone to ending the marriage (or the wife agreeing to end the marriage for that reason) is plausible. Not to say all men or even most would in this situation. However nobody can say for sure…	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 12:41 AM
6	Something I've noticed I think it’s worth noting that although yes, this is something propagated by wider society, this is an issue that is also significantly kept alive and kicking by men. You only need to look at the entire red pill sector. “Losers” for men who can’t bed women, and their entire metric of success of whether you end up in a position to have accessibility to women for sex on your terms. Incels basically decide life isn’t worth living or engaging with if they can’t have sex. So I don’t think it’s useful…	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 12:28 AM
8	I don't do casual sex, and I feel like less of a man for it. A single incident of selling drugs and jail followed by an otherwise unblemished account is wildly different to someone who has a body count of say 200 prior to meeting the one they “want to settle down with”. The first is a poor choice followed by clear evidence of that choice causing the changes in behaviour. The second is essentially the person asking you to believe that the moment of change has “happened just as they met you”, so there’s no evidence they have actually changed their behaviour…	/r/MensRights	26/07/23 07:36 AM
6	Oppenheimer is blasted for how it portrays female characters as critics claim they are no more than 'blow up dolls' OP: Feminists want to re-write history! It’s funny because it’s a double standard. Right. So when arguing why men are awful, the FACT that only men participated in the invention of the nuke would be used. For sure. It’s “evidence of male violence”. Yet, when it comes to telling that story, it’s suddenly inappropriate to have women not present in the process some feminists argue was down to entirely men when making other arguments. Which is it? Were women responsible or contributing to inventions or not on the basis of whether the conv…	/r/MensRights	26/07/23 07:19 AM
2	Are you going to be a billionaire? Don’t disagree with you there at all. Hence why “workplace equality” conversations never get round to addressing the staggering disproportionate rates of men working in dirty anti social infrastructure jobs. Those handling the conversation aren’t interested in representation in work that doesn’t curry remarkable social and cultural power.	/r/MensRights	25/07/23 06:07 AM
14	Autism needs to be spoken about more lucidly as specifically a mens' issue. This happens with a lot of issues where if the focus was widened a bit; people would see it as a mens issue. Due to that, the lens is narrowed. Autism is diverse yes, but 4 out of 5 autistics are male. Black individuals being killed disproportionately by cops is surely a racial issue yes, but why do we ignore the fact that 99% of those killed are men? This is a black and a male issue. Black individuals being jailed disproportionately is an issue. However again, most of them are men. This is a ra…	/r/MensRights	24/07/23 10:01 PM
5	Are you going to be a billionaire? True. I think what needs to be up for discussion here though is whether a 7x more likely occurrence favouring men in a social strata that applies to about 0.0002% of the population is as much of an issue as the albeit lower multiplier disadvantages that apply to the men compared to the women who make up over 99% of the population. When it comes to policy and social equity, I’d argue the more pressing issue is the fact that one group is facing worst healthcare outcomes across the board to a tune …	/r/MensRights	24/07/23 09:10 PM
19	UK: Backlash builds against Sadiq Khan's campaign encouraging men to call out misogyny on public transport by saying 'mate' - as TfL's own consultant brands it 'offensive in its naivety'. OP: More male hate from the UK. It is naive. The campaign is aimed at men “having a word” with their friends who say things deemed misogynistic on public transport. Firstly, if men are established friends with someone who does that, and haven’t severed ties yet, they’re unlikely to suddenly change their mind because a poster campaign is trying to pressure them to do it. Finger wagging poster versus social dynamics of their friend group? It’s not even a competition. More commonly, if men find it disagreeable (and agree with the…	/r/MensRights	24/07/23 08:44 PM
3	@thetinmen on the Modern Wisdom Podcast, live now. Thanks for posting this. It’s a real boon to see some of the dialogue behind your work in real time discussion and this was such an interesting listen. It’s really important than those who are “left aligned” undertake the kind of work you’re trying to do with the kind of mindset you display (attention to nuance, sensitivity, consideration) in order to “get it right” rather than “get it reactive” as it were. This is really visible with your comments regarding plans of a future documentary and how…	/r/MensRights	24/07/23 08:12 PM
3	Its a truth universally acknowledged that a potential partner’s housing situation has an outsized impact on their romantic suitability. Marriage is about money and nothing else. If there’s any history buffs in the group who can offer a more precise take I’ll welcome it as this is based upon a generalised study of the periods in question over my career but not a dedicated one. But I’d say with confidence the idea of “romantic love” being the primary pursuit of a relationship is definitely an idea that didn’t become mainstream until at the earliest say 200 or so years ago (in the west). Romantic love as a concept of course existed and was romanticised itself (think: The R…	/r/MensRights	22/07/23 07:29 PM
14	Its a truth universally acknowledged that a potential partner’s housing situation has an outsized impact on their romantic suitability. Marriage is about money and nothing else. The concept of “love” as a principally romantic attraction being the “main bedrock” of a relationship is waaaaaaay younger a couple of thousand years. I’d argue the concept became “mainstream” probably within the last 100 years in the western world and before then the idea was probably birthed in the late 18th early 19th century when there was a lot of testing of societally established norms due to the emergence of anti-religious sentiment and scientific breakthroughs that promoted the idea that…	/r/MensRights	22/07/23 05:03 PM
2	What's the privileged gender? There’s a reason that the mystique is spoken of in terms like “red pill” - an allusion to the matrix of “becoming aware”. The situation regarding the preferential treatment of women (where it exists) is very subtle and normalised. Most people are not aware of it, or even rationalise it even specific attention is drawn to it or until the fall foul of it in a situation where it feels as wrong as it was intrinsically is (like being charged with SA based on a rumour). The way society moves against m…	/r/MensRights	21/07/23 07:07 PM
1	How would you label these two images? (not looking for meme ideas, just a discussion on the difference between the two men depicted) Very well said. The notion that a man is doomed to be alone because he didn’t find someone to marry is harmful and reductive. And it’s especially dumb to see supposed advocates of men’s rights to espouse such stupid ideas which essentially suggest that a man can only find real value in life if he ends up with a partner or marriage. What a ridiculously stupid and harmful concept. It’s no wonder sometimes feminism is miles ahead of “meninism” if half of the latter group is still convinced that whe…	/r/MensRights	21/07/23 06:46 PM
31	What we saying lads? This is my main problem with it from second hand reviews. The “assumed reversion” of the situation in Barbieland and the real world between men and women. In Barbieland it isn’t just some social stigma or norms that have Ken’s treated as lesser. They literally are unable to hold positions of power or influence or wield any power in society at all, and have no freedom of expression. It’s a massive lazy generalisation to just treat it as if the “real world is this in reverse” when in the real worl…	/r/MensRights	21/07/23 06:03 PM
14	Is circumcising infants a violation of rights? Welcome to the west, where circumcising one infant based on religious dogma or hack medicine is fine. And circumcising another infant based on religious dogma or hack medicine is illegal. The differing point: the infants gender!	/r/MensRights	20/07/23 12:18 PM
2	How Men and Women Differ in Handling Rejections (And Its Social Implications) Fundementally men still control access to relationships. However you are correct, coercion is used to attempt to pathologise men who are avoidant of formal commitments like marriage, or who generally gatekeep relationships they enter into with boundaries. This is visible with respect to dating where men are generally described in negative terms if they “expect too much” of a prospective partner; whereas women are generally treated indifferently regardless of whether they have no or numerous stan…	/r/MensRights	20/07/23 11:07 AM
3	Women with OnlyFans You have to be at a pretty fantastically low point to consider paying a woman money to “advance the relationship” via a method that allows you access to media she is already letting other men access for the same price. Like, seriously, think about that. You can only “be with me” if you pay (enable) me selling my intimacy to other people and now, also you. This shouldn’t even be a question. There is a word already in use that is used to describe women who only enable men to have intimate relation…	/r/MensRights	19/07/23 01:53 PM
6	How Men and Women Differ in Handling Rejections (And Its Social Implications) I think the agency of men in obtaining relationships , whilst there, is increasingly subject to social pressures and coercion. Another territory of relationships; boundaries and preferences. The recent news re: JH gives a great example. Men articulating preferences or boundaries is often chastised or demonised. Men are called “predatory” for seeking younger women, “shallow” for desiring certain levels of fitness, “controlling” if they desire a woman who doesn’t frequent single-watering holes or …	/r/MensRights	18/07/23 10:31 PM
4	How Men and Women Differ in Handling Rejections (And Its Social Implications) Agree with article. I think in terms of % more women handle rejection badly than men. I think in terms of actual numbers, there are more men who handle rejection badly than women, but that is largely a byproduct of men being rejected vastly more than women. The men who usually handle rejection badly are either socially inept in more than one way or have other problems that prevent them doing well in dating (that they should work on first). Where I’ve seen women react badly to rejection; these ar…	/r/MensRights	18/07/23 09:34 PM
3	Systemic Misandry Too many to count Draft laws (in countries that have them) “Women and children first” - whether it applies to evacuation procedures, relief efforts or asylum claims etc. Duluth Model The comparative lack of visibility on male health issues. A good example of this is the gigantic difference in media attention things like the “Race for Life” (Breast cancer; though not specific to women this is treated as a female experience and event) receives compared to things like prostate cancer despite prosta…	/r/MensRights	18/07/23 09:10 PM
2	Anyone notice anytime women are asked a question it’s like this…. That is increasingly how language is being used yes, but that is not how language is meant to be used. Language is meant to offer clear communication via known meanings of words to enable us to “cross the mind barrier” with another human as best we can. If we start using language in a way where words “mean whatever the speaker thinks they mean without reference to an external objectively agreed consensus” then language is basically rendered completely pointless. You may as well start claiming th…	/r/MensRights	18/07/23 08:30 PM
3	Women DO NOT attempt suicide more often than men do. Here's the data debunking this popular feminist myth Yes on the studies where “women attempting more” self harm is usually interpreted as a suicide attempt. However; only certain forms of self harm. For example when it comes to statistics on self harm, the figure regarding women is higher; however such studies often ignore things like smoking, excessive drinking and drug abuse, all more prevalent in men and yet not considered as measured forms of self harm; when they are all evidently forms of self harm. I’d say women probably perform more “consci…	/r/MensRights	15/07/23 06:51 AM
2	Boston Police Department commits to hiring 30% women officers by 2030 When institutions do this, do they actually forecast the figures based on reality? Or is it just a “pie in the sky” figure? I only ask because this reminds me of the recent shitshow the RAF was involved in with their drive to diversify the workforce (basically hire anyone except white males) and aside from getting their hand slapped for falling foul of equality law, they found out (surprise surprise) there was no way they’d reach the desired figure anyway based on their eventual projections. Bec…	/r/MensRights	15/07/23 06:36 AM
1	Having boundaries is misogynistic now I guess I agree totally. Generally speaking they’re not relationship compatible behaviours at all. Which is why I think the timing is odd here, because wasn’t this produced by him some time after they got together? That doesn’t make his boundaries unreasonable, they’re good boundaries as he articulates them well and this isn’t misogyny. Generally there is a real inequality in dating where slurs are used to describe men who articulate boundaries like these (controlling being the favoured one). I’m just c…	/r/MensRights	09/07/23 01:20 PM
41	Florida Human Rights Tribunal Rules Gay Men's Nude Resort Must Allow Woman Entry Why are women (presumably of a heterosexual persuasion possibly) allowed entry into a resort where they have access to naked male bodies to gaze at where those men specifically aren’t interested in those women? Isn’t this just encouraging voyeurism? Gay men already have straight women invading gay bars en masse as a normalised practice, are they not allowed anywhere specifically where they can escape women engaging in a bit of “risk free sexual indulgence” from them?	/r/MensRights	09/07/23 10:32 AM
6	Having boundaries is misogynistic now I guess I don’t see the misogyny here? He’s basically say “X Y and Z don’t work for me, if you wanna do them, cool, but that means I’m not right for you” ? That’s a very healthy expression. Is there some other context here? Like was this a sudden “bait and switch” on his part or something? Because if he humoured all this for a relationship and then suddenly changes direction; I can see why that might be seen as dodgey but I don’t think it’s specifically misogynistic given women also employ this kind of …	/r/MensRights	09/07/23 10:27 AM
15	how do ya'll feel about all superheroes being replaced by women? Because a lot of the new wave of “female replacements” are basically the same character as their male replacement with their flaws that made them relatable or nuanced ironed out, and their strengths magnified which makes them feel shallow. It’s lazy hero writing. Firstly the character doesn’t have a fully developed arc because they just piggyback off the power development arc of whoever they replaced. Then, as mentioned above, they rarely have any observable flaws which means their character dev…	/r/MensRights	09/07/23 07:51 AM
2	India Plans To Criminalize Marital Rape, So Some Men Are Boycotting Marriage Then the problem is with deeper roots within the legal system than whether the concept of marital rape as a legal entity exists or not. To focus on the case of marital rape is merely to sidestep the issue of there being no consequence to false allegations for women and men being unfairly stacked against. If the system is to be improved, focus needs to be on the principle issues, not focusing on bizarre side points which merely serve as some mechanism to ignore the blatant injustices that exist i…	/r/MensRights	06/07/23 08:50 PM
1	India Plans To Criminalize Marital Rape, So Some Men Are Boycotting Marriage Proof of it is no different to proof of any other sort of rape, the same difficulties exist. To argue that that makes them difficult to administer is to argue that rape laws shouldn’t exist at all on that basis; clearly a nonsense idea. Most cases of rape that do advance legally boil down to “no proof” he said versus she said scenarios which is why the conviction rate for rape remains low (and why many western countries are trying to artificially inflate it) - because when push comes to shove, i…	/r/MensRights	06/07/23 08:35 PM
25	The absurd idea of "weaponized incompetence" I was waiting for this comment. The very idea this is unique to men is laughable. The female version “that’s man’s work” “I don’t like doing it” has been doing the rounds since time immemorial. The difference is with the woman’s version they don’t even try to attempt to do it if they can try to offload it to a man. They just flat out refuse. Oddly enough they presumably manage when they’re single however.	/r/MensRights	06/07/23 06:30 PM
1	India Plans To Criminalize Marital Rape, So Some Men Are Boycotting Marriage My sympathies for India. However that means it’s the unjust laws that need to be grappled with, and the corrupt implementation of those laws. Trying to advocate for a situation which merely allows men to sidestep one issue in a veritable library of laws stacked against them isn’t really a win for men’s rights. Especially when that sidestep is justified within the realm of advocating for women to subject themselves to sex without consent. If women commit the same in marriage (which I’m sure they …	/r/MensRights	06/07/23 03:04 PM
1	India Plans To Criminalize Marital Rape, So Some Men Are Boycotting Marriage That’s a consent-proof issue that applies to rape in general, and the presumption of innocence exists in law which safeguards the territory. It is the accuser who must prove the act, not the defendant. Regardless, I don’t see what any of that has to do with criminalising marital rape? Let’s not pretend that the allowance of martial rape is the only thing that prevents men being accused of raping their wives falsely on a wide scale. If true, it would be absolutely rife in all the countries that h…	/r/MensRights	06/07/23 01:55 PM
17	India Plans To Criminalize Marital Rape, So Some Men Are Boycotting Marriage My thoughts also. Maybe i'm missing the purpose of this post but I don't understand how a country only now just criminalising a form of rape is considered a specifically "men's rights issue". To suggest it is, is to surely suggest that men have a right to force their wives to have sex with them in a marriage so outlawing this is wrong. I can't support that idea. Marriage is not "consent to sex" in the same way it isn't "consent to expect the male partner to provide for me financially". Marriage …	/r/MensRights	06/07/23 11:12 AM
5	Question Regarding Patriarchy Depends on your definition of Patriarchy. I'd say it has shifted over time. If we talk about the "classic" definition of systems of government where men hold the power and women are excluded from it, i'd say we are no longer a patriarchy and at least in the west (using the Uk as a reference as that's where I am based), we probably stopped being one the moment female monarchs were allowed into place, which is further back than most people would consider it to have ended. In this period of time on…	/r/MensRights	06/07/23 08:58 AM
2	Women with autism have it easier than men I never said they didn’t have social group demands. I said the social circles of girls tend to be more socially demanding than those of boys and more conformist. Not that boys don’t have any at all.	/r/MensRights	30/06/23 04:56 AM
3	Women with autism have it easier than men Personally I think thinking of masking as “an ability” is the wrong way to look at it. Masking is often a maladaptive coping strategy adopted by the autistic individual in response to trauma. Autistic women probably mask in higher amounts because their social circles are more discerning and regulated than those of boys growing up, so any “oddness” is less tolerated than in boys. This causes them to maladapt more quickly for those of them who do. Not everyone will adopt this kind of trauma respon…	/r/MensRights	30/06/23 03:56 AM
3	What's the male equivalent of riding the carousel? I never said the situations for men and women re: partners are the same. I acknowledged the opposite where I said men reference the fact it is different. I merely said both genders at points attempt to use things such as these differences to try and escape being regarded by others for their past behaviour. Women do it with Onlyfans - "But times were hard, what's a girl to do?" - Who cares? Men are still within their right to make a judgement call about that against you. In the same way, a man ha…	/r/MensRights	29/06/23 12:56 PM
1	Good news from Switzerland I don't think there should be such a formula, because you'd be required to somehow calculate a value for domestic labour which is impossible because the territory of it is beyond external scrutiny and not held to objective standards. But it's somewhat reassuring I guess that some common sense trickles into these individuals occasionally where they recognise "Maybe men sacrificing equal time to women at home, and more time at work, might be unfair." I mean jesus christ. The average 5 year old has…	/r/MensRights	29/06/23 10:08 AM
1	Accepted Discrimination in UK: "Lisa Nandy ‘bothered’ by Labour picking white male byelection candidates" What's so unreasonable about dropping a shortlist policy when the gender distribution of the party now favours women? On what basis would you justify keeping it in place?	/r/MensRights	29/06/23 09:57 AM
1	Good news from Switzerland Home labour isn't true labour. I wish people would drop this stupid false equivalency. Labour is the conversion of personal labour power into production/service of some form, that leads to the creation of some value for a given market; from which derives pay. The pay is principally the benefit for the worker, the value is the benefit for the consumer and the paying of the customer is the benefit for the business owner. The worker's only benefit from their labour is the pay. They do not realise a…	/r/MensRights	29/06/23 09:42 AM
2	Why do feminists always say “you’re proving my point”? Challenge the point. Most of the "you're proving my point" are based upon implicit assumptions. For example; "Men gent angry and can be a danger for women" The thing to remember here is this statement carries a hidden premise of something along the lines of "...because they are men" / "...because of the partiarchy" etc. The first way to demonstrate how you aren't proving their point is you point out how the premise they assume don't apply in the case given. For example; i'm not angry at you beca…	/r/MensRights	29/06/23 09:24 AM
9	Young Men Are Losers. They Deserve Sympathy, Not Contempt. Your final paragraph here is a golden one. Even within the men's advocacy sphere (or those that claim to be such as redpill) way too much diaglogue is still wrapped up with a man's desirability to women. "Do X, women will eventually come" etc. So long as the conversation of men is continually redirected to women (either by feminists doing it via guilt or self-professed MRA who measure your success in whether you eventually get female attention or not) there's not going to be much progress. For a…	/r/MensRights	29/06/23 09:17 AM
2	What's the male equivalent of riding the carousel? This here. If we're talking about the carousel in the sense of "when women engage in a period of behaviour where they diminish their value to the opposite sex" then this would be the correct answer. And I fundementally reject the idea that because sex is harder to achieve for a man, him screwing around whilst he is young and ignoring women with "wife potential" in favour of liasions he knows will go nowhere is somehow justifiable. If the man knows what he wants in the future (a wife) then he sho…	/r/MensRights	29/06/23 08:54 AM
6	An innocent dad was tortured and killed by a group of chainsaw-wielding 'paedophile hunters' - after his wife falsely accused him of molesting her daughters I’m a father of two. Daughter included. It’s nothing special. I’d recognise I’d react strongly. I just wouldn’t expect society to give me a pat on the back for doing it or make me exempt from consequences because it would set a dangerous precedent in doing so. However this is all “in an ideal world”. In an ideal world, the proper punishment for someone committing said crime would be severe enough that I wouldn’t feel the need to enact justice in the first place, if that makes sense. In a less id…	/r/MensRights	26/06/23 09:06 AM
5	BF’s mom is a raging feminist She probably has a huge degree of self loathing because she is living the very lifestyle (comfortably I assume) that she complains about. Not prepared to change her situation herself so instead she tries to “angrily fix the world and everyone else” but it won’t work because the reason she is pissed off is because she’s maintaining a cognitive dissonance with her own life. She either needs to concede her beliefs aren’t coherent with regards to her own life and reassess them or needs to make the c…	/r/MensRights	26/06/23 08:49 AM
7	An innocent dad was tortured and killed by a group of chainsaw-wielding 'paedophile hunters' - after his wife falsely accused him of molesting her daughters In that situation due to the emotive concept I would probably act and enact vigilante justice because I’d be working with raw emotions and rage. However I wouldn’t expect the state not to punish me for my action because I “broke the social contract”. I’d consider it a worthwhile trade though if I ended the git who did that to my child. But it wouldn’t cause me to stop believing the notion that “I also did something wrong”. If that makes sense. It’s mainly due to my self awareness. I’m a pretty r…	/r/MensRights	26/06/23 08:31 AM
6	"A real man never hits a woman." It’s the poisonous notion that women, whilst deserving to be treated as equals to men, also shouldn’t be where it suits. Hypothetical: a small, weak man starts antagonising and generally being a twat towards a larger man. He starts hitting the larger man. Eventually the larger man lamps him. Nobody would argue the smaller man didn’t “step into a situation where he knew what was coming”. In that sense, he got what he deserved and should have known better. Now, when a woman does the same (assume t…	/r/MensRights	26/06/23 08:26 AM
4	An innocent dad was tortured and killed by a group of chainsaw-wielding 'paedophile hunters' - after his wife falsely accused him of molesting her daughters I don’t agree with the death penalty so I I’ll have to differ there. But I do agree that where there is a motivating factor to a behaviour tied to seeking personal justice/circumnavigating the established legal framework, even if it appears “noble” and appeals to common sense, it is in the interests of the legal system to punish it with the highest forms of punishment available to it. In order to maintain the integrity of the system as being the sole arbiter of justice in a given society. This i…	/r/MensRights	26/06/23 08:13 AM
37	An innocent dad was tortured and killed by a group of chainsaw-wielding 'paedophile hunters' - after his wife falsely accused him of molesting her daughters I should clarify, I was speaking of ideals. The “spirit” of a “just” legal system is that the founding principle is a recognition that a person cannot justly be the arbiter of their own law. It requires an objective standard all are held to equally otherwise there’s too much transgression and escalation. IN REALITY the purpose of current legal systems is to concentrate select powers and interests in the “safe hands” of the elite. The ability to physically punish is one of them. Economic influenc…	/r/MensRights	26/06/23 08:07 AM
25	Women prey on other women in the workplace. Patriarchy to blame, not women's own actions. Personal responsibility can just piss off! Even if that’s true, it doesn’t explain the behaviour. These jobs are scarce for everyone, men included. Men do not bully each other and fight to get these jobs; they use performance and merit to try to beat off their competition, they go for outperformance. So the fact that even if we assume that patriarchy “somehow created the job scarcity” it doesn’t explain why women behave negatively in that environment because men do not do the same thing. This is ignoring the fact there is zero evidence t…	/r/MensRights	26/06/23 07:55 AM
143	An innocent dad was tortured and killed by a group of chainsaw-wielding 'paedophile hunters' - after his wife falsely accused him of molesting her daughters Perhaps controversial take but I feel like “Vigilante Justice” in whatever form it takes (violence, murder) should be one of the most harshly punishable crimes available. The whole point of a legal and justice system is to instill confidence in it and it arises out of a recognition that people cannot and should not be their own judges. If someone violates that tenant and the law does not punish them severely, that legal system is essentially presenting a contradiction in terms. The same should b…	/r/MensRights	26/06/23 07:48 AM
4	Woman “social influencer and Onlyfans Model” engaged in persistently stalking and harassing several footballers gets slap on the wrist (UK) Not totally equivalent but there was a case a whole back with a high profile man (BBC presenter if I recall) who was jailed for 5 years because of threatening stalking charges. His campaign of harassment was largely over Twitter and YouTube I believe. Granted he goaded his followers to message these people so it’s not entirely the same but having a relatively high profile job seems to be no shield at all.	/r/MensRights	25/06/23 05:55 PM
6	Why does the left support feminism? The “left” supports feminism because it has been co-opted as a political alignment that focuses on social justice instead of economic justice. Ironically often bankrolled by big corporations. The Left (or Old Left if we want to be precise) doesn’t really care about social justice to the same degree except in situations where it’s leading to economic abuse. The thing is the Old Left is regularly demonised and chastised by the “left” because they’re less interested in slutwalks and gender neutral …	/r/MensRights	25/06/23 02:09 PM
16	Woman “social influencer and Onlyfans Model” engaged in persistently stalking and harassing several footballers gets slap on the wrist (UK) Likewise. I’m not necessarily saying she deserves years in jail. However if one cares to do even a cursory search you’ll find men ending up with weeks in jail for stuff like sending letters to women persistently because “it makes her feel threatened”. Precisely the same applied here yet the respective outcomes are different. Presumbely because according to UK law, a woman can’t threaten a man to the same degree with identical behaviour. It’s just a bit depressing because according to the sentenc…	/r/MensRights	25/06/23 02:03 PM
6	Woman “social influencer and Onlyfans Model” engaged in persistently stalking and harassing several footballers gets slap on the wrist (UK) I don’t think stalking in a flagship heinous crime, rather I wanted to point out that even when the case meets the criteria as listed by the sentencing guidelines for higher sentences; it’s avoided because she is a woman in a way it isn’t for men. This woman literally spam purchased phones to contact these men when they blocked her. How is that not clear culpability and awareness you’re then harassing them? How is a guy having to change his security detail and timetable not negative impact? The …	/r/MensRights	25/06/23 12:57 PM
9	Woman “social influencer and Onlyfans Model” engaged in persistently stalking and harassing several footballers gets slap on the wrist (UK) As others have posted, there are actual support frameworks in place designed to discourage sentencing women too harshly altogether presumably on the basis that women are somehow more negatively affected by prison. I believe Scotland is looking to remove female institutes altogether. Yet how many more men institutes are there? It boggles the mind how women can be more adversely affected by prison when every avenue to avoid jail is taken.	/r/MensRights	25/06/23 12:49 PM
2	Independent Man I lived by myself since I was 18, up until 23, lived with my brother for a bit and then met my wife who I’ve lived with since I was 26. My wife would be the first person to tell any woman that I could probably continue living if my wife suddenly disappeared one day, but if the opposite happened she would have a real difficulty in navigating. Cooking, laundry, cleaning, school management and liaison, bills, budgeting, repairs, decorating, gardening. All things I can do. Not just cooking either, b…	/r/MensRights	19/06/23 09:27 AM
1	Some writers blame the media for men's problems then paradoxically prescribe solutions that have nothing to do with the media. why? It’s nothing to do with the media. This is lazy writing. Boys do not watch Batman, and walk away from that going “school sucks, I won’t try”. If they’re not trying in school, it isn’t because they watch or read Batman. The logical theory would be to look at their direct experience of education itself and try to see if the answer lies there, rather than just try to blame what they do outside of school. After all, if girls aren’t performing well in school, they would look at the school itself righ…	/r/MensRights	19/06/23 09:16 AM
2	Why do so many men hate this sub Probably because just like with feminism, there are divides within the sphere, so opponents need only look at select pieces taken from those who forward certain views to form that opposition, but it’s a difficult thing to say whether they represent the movement wholly. Nonetheless for the purposes of their opposition, it gives them enough reason to oppose the general label. Like with feminism, the same happens. Whether there are moderate feminists who are fixated on gender equality as MRAs under…	/r/MensRights	19/06/23 08:52 AM
2	Trans men reveal how toxic society is towards men--MANY sources included Indeed, which makes talking of it as a communicable concept relating to the personal experience somewhat nonsensical. It only makes sense to talk of it as a shared socially understood concept. In the same way it makes no sense for me to try and communicate to another what I mean by “blue” by my personal experience of blue, but rather more by what most people mean when they use the term blue, even if it fails to capture the exactness of their individual subjective experiences. You see this quanda…	/r/MensRights	19/06/23 08:34 AM
2	Trans men reveal how toxic society is towards men--MANY sources included I mean that is an altogether different debate which I won’t launch into, but essentially I reject the premise that one can “know” or “feel” like a specific gender intrinsically because in my opinion such typically arises out of how other people treat you. So you can feel like “people treating me like this feels wrong” but I reject the idea that one can “feel like a woman or man” because in a social vacuum such concepts have no reference point anyway. You can have dysphoria with your body sure, b…	/r/MensRights	19/06/23 07:57 AM
3	Trans men reveal how toxic society is towards men--MANY sources included The fact they say that just shows how woefully ignorant of mens reality they are. It has never been the case for men that they are respected de facto, they always have to demonstrate their value. With todays societal thinking arguably it’s worse; men are viewed by default as “faulty” and need to prove they’re at least “not bad” through actions. The only people who genuinely expect they are going to be treated well through nothing more than existing is people who have lived as women; because that…	/r/MensRights	18/06/23 08:14 AM
1	What's the most masculine trait In your opinion ? Integrity. It’s a catch all term for many others. Basically you are what you are. No smoke and mirrors, no changing your stances based upon the company you keep. No talking behind peoples backs, no rumourmongering or sabotage- grievances are raised face to face. You keep your word and are honest with people. People know where you stand as you don’t compromise your values for other peoples benefit or comfort if you think doing so is wrong. You own up to mistakes and take responsibility for things…	/r/MensRights	18/06/23 07:19 AM
3	Workhorse Provider Society at large conditions men to think this way. It also doesn’t help when much of the “mainstream opposition” in the redpill also advocates that the masculine is to derive value from hustling, making money and working hard (the exception being you keep it for yourself so you can use it as a bartering tool in your later years to obtain women). Whichever way you look at it, on both sides of the aisle, men are basically told “Your value is not intrinsic, it is conditional on what you do, not wha…	/r/MensRights	15/06/23 10:01 AM
5	Workhorse Provider Because pursuit of profit > quality of life. Never let anyone tell you that “capitalism has resulted in huge QoL improvements”. The fact of the matter is the innovations provided by capitalism and the generation of surplus capital but capitalism could easily have led to a situation where workers retain similar wages despite having to work less hours (due to automation) and thus increased QoL across the board, in exchange for slightly slower growth of profits. The reality is despite having had th…	/r/MensRights	15/06/23 09:40 AM
3	Tell the most common fallacies given by feminists when you point out problems of men. Appealing to a statistical minority (which they themselves go against). Example: Man : “Yeah but it’s not really fair that men are expected to instigate pretty much all dates, if the expectation is whoever asks pays, because that’s essentially saying the man has to pay every time.” Fem: “Yeah but some women do ask!” Man: “Have you ever asked a man out on a date?” Fem: “No. I prefer a man to make the first move.” It’s this tendency to stand up for a principle they don’t even embody with their own…	/r/MensRights	15/06/23 09:00 AM
17	Attorney for girlfriend accused of driving an Army veteran to suicide says horrific barrage of texts were "immoral but not criminal" This is true, I’m pretty naive to the realities of American law systems but that analogy cleans it up quite a bit, cheers. Understandable given many states are larger than entire countries.	/r/MensRights	14/06/23 06:51 PM
86	Attorney for girlfriend accused of driving an Army veteran to suicide says horrific barrage of texts were "immoral but not criminal" Does the US not have a law akin to malicious communication in the UK? I mean the penalty is lesser than manslaughter but it would be considered a criminal act over here for that purpose, especially as she was directly goading him to suicide.	/r/MensRights	14/06/23 05:42 PM
1	Leviathan Feminism cannot be the Hobbesian leviathan at least currently because the leviathan is exempt from the consequences of infringing the social contract it enforces out of necessity. I think feminism WOULD LIKE to hold such a position but at the moment it does not. The tools it uses to enforce its will are not direct enough and it relies upon entreating other parties (the state, police, justice) to achieve its ends in this manner. But the closer it weds itself to mainstream politics, the point it b…	/r/MensRights	12/06/23 06:03 PM
7	what do you say to women who use "women were not allowed the opportunity" or "women were forced to be pregnant or be housewives" when you bring up the fact most inventors or noble prize winners were men Marx said it best: The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles. Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guildmaster and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, that each time ended, either in the revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes. Regardless of whether one believes in his …	/r/MensRights	10/06/23 06:42 AM
9	what do you say to women who use "women were not allowed the opportunity" or "women were forced to be pregnant or be housewives" when you bring up the fact most inventors or noble prize winners were men Absolutely. Funny how you never learn about those books in a school classroom though. Instead we act as if the suffragettes single handedly caused the vote gain. Women were brutal to those they saw as stepping out of line. The language they used to describe these modern women was extremely dehumanising. And these women authors were not being compelled to write it by men either; they were doing it because they knew there was an appetite for these narratives in the women of their society. The wome…	/r/MensRights	09/06/23 04:21 PM
6	One in three primary schools has no male teachers, report says Valid. There’s a societal mindset that women are “incapable of inflicting horror upon children” which is probably why it doesn’t seem to be detected as much unless it’s outrageously difficult to overlook due to the depravity of it. I think of stories here in the UK and you’ll seldom get “mild ones” where women are concerned, if they’re named at all (usually as an accomplice to a man no less) it’s usually along the lines of horrific and sustained sexual assault and physical battery/torture. But t…	/r/MensRights	09/06/23 04:15 PM
30	what do you say to women who use "women were not allowed the opportunity" or "women were forced to be pregnant or be housewives" when you bring up the fact most inventors or noble prize winners were men Much like for men, In history, the contributions of significance regarding women were largely if not entirely restricted to individuals with financial means and freedom. The fact that the poor “stay at home” women didn’t achieve much is kinda moot. Neither did their farmer/shoemaker husbands. The achievements of men in history are basically restricted to the upper and emerging middle class during industrialisation. It wasn’t something “any man” just had a go at, by and large. But yes, let’s focu…	/r/MensRights	09/06/23 03:17 PM
1	What are your thoughts on feminists calling MRAs "neo-liberals"? Basically many “progressive” movements use the term as a slur to mark you as a “big bad capitalist lover” or generic conversation. The irony is a lot of the social conversations and their outcomes which are favoured by these progressive groups (free movement and immigration, monetisation of the trans group and LGB, loosening of restrictions on medical transition) are pushed and favoured by genuine neo-liberals because neo-liberals basically want the biggest playground possible to make loads of m…	/r/MensRights	09/06/23 11:51 AM
2	Comparing emotion labor to physical labor (especially the dirty and dangerous kind) is used by people who don’t want to work. And it can be abuse in a relationship. Emotional labour is a stupid concept imo. Labour often implies work, with a measurable output and also an agreed value of said work (which is usually paid for). Where the “emotional Labour” argument is often used, it’s often applied one-sidedly (one party feels they’re doing work, the other hasn’t agreed it, asked for it, quantified it or even said they want it) and yet one party demands “compensation”. If I turn up and mow your lawn without you asking me to, I shouldn’t expect to be paid. There…	/r/MensRights	09/06/23 09:13 AM
8	Paper explains that men's shorter life-expectancy is not important in health equity. They need to give their heads a wobble and analyse the data properly. Look at the actual statistics of men who hold this power and wealth (don’t just apply it to men as a group) and then look at their life expectancy averages versus the working class men. Then tell me that stance is justified. The life expectancy for men is lower on average in the group of men who are markedly outside this “power wealth and prestige” generalisation feminists like to tout. If they actually bothered to analyse the…	/r/MensRights	09/06/23 09:01 AM
5	Posted on my IG that it’s Men’s Health Month and this girl had to steal the spot light (how would you reply guys?) It also is a result of the differing treatments of being a “survivor” of a suicide attempt. With women, there is a far greater likelihood that in such an event, support will be rallied to her cause and concerned individuals and professionals will “take over” to help her get back on track. She can essentially go into fetal position and those around will try their best to cocoon her from whatever grief was ailing her. With men this is less likely. A man surviving suicide is likely to be given some…	/r/MensRights	07/06/23 07:16 AM
19	Posted on my IG that it’s Men’s Health Month and this girl had to steal the spot light (how would you reply guys?) “If male suicide risk is a result of the patriarchy, and therefore assuming that dismantling the patriarchy is a way forwards to resolving it; given feminism preoccupies itself with this task- why is the issue of male suicide never really focused on as a feminist issue, and how exactly feminism would seek to redress this issue and overturn it?” Blaming patriarchy without being pressured to provide any real tangible method of how exactly that would change mens situation is lazy. I’m not saying pa…	/r/MensRights	07/06/23 06:23 AM
9	So Tired Of Hearing About "Male Domination" A world run by women; the question of perfection isn’t even on the table, it’s the question of plausibility. Just look at Scandinavia. Arguably the most egalitarian society in the world; a society where even less women choose to go into infrastructure and engineering despite all off the traditional barriers being broken. A “world run by women” in the minds of the average female supremacist just assumes either an invisible army of male serfs to keep these aspects of society running whilst women o…	/r/MensRights	07/06/23 06:07 AM
8	Posted on my IG that it’s Men’s Health Month and this girl had to steal the spot light (how would you reply guys?) It’s not really a paradox. It’s a result of things like women cutting themselves being classed as a suicide attempt, or a woman having a brief period where she idealises suicide being taken along similar lines. Not to minimise it, but it’s a very weak scaffold upon which to forward this idea that there’s some kind of epidemic of women contemplating or attempting suicide as compared with men. The issue is they’re conflating all sorts of behaviours with suicide risk for one gender, but not another…	/r/MensRights	07/06/23 05:59 AM
3	How can we help men speak out about their mental health/Depression Agree on your point about other forms of advocacy. Honestly it’s not surprising that 80% of men who took their lives were in contact with health services. Whilst I’m not blaming the health service I’ll say I don’t think our health service regarding mental health is equipped to deal with men. It’s. territory full of feminised rhetoric that believes that “owning your emotions and speaking your truth” is the key to getting well. What it doesn’t consider that much of men’s mental health issues isn’t…	/r/MensRights	06/06/23 09:45 PM
1	Need some help finding an answer “Misogyny kills, misandry redefines killing as collateral damage and writes it up as an acceptable overhead”. The draft The expectation men work longer despite dying earlier The preponderance of men in harsh, unsafe jobs The massively bloated suicide rate for men. The prevalence of men as homeless and victims of homocide. The thing that unites them all is they’re seen as “byproducts” of “living as a man” so therefore not challenged. And therein is the sinister nature. It isn’t that misogyny or m…	/r/MensRights	06/06/23 10:20 AM
1	Tired of fandoms “shipping” male friendships That’s really annoying because I thought Luca actually did a really nice job of showing a wholesome friendship between two boys. People probably interpreted it that way because Alberto seemed jealous of Juliette, but from my understanding that had nothing to do with Luca being into her (I don’t believe any of that sort of thing was expressed between the characters at all in any direction) but more that Luca was “changing who he was” and abandoning their friendship goals they made in order to pur…	/r/MensRights	06/06/23 10:01 AM
9	Where are paternity tests legal/illegal? How can a country justify a measure with the line “preserving the peace of families” by preventing you knowing who is actually your family? What’s next? Eliminate the crime of theft by changing the wording of the law so that taking someone else’s goods without their consent no longer classifies as theft?	/r/MensRights	04/06/23 11:09 AM
238	A feminist said women who cook and clean are slaves. If a woman cooking and cleaning for her partner is slavery then surely not partaking (and foisting the responsibility onto their partner instead, the alternative is starving or living in filth) is simply making someone else the slave? So feminism is not opposed to the notion of slavery then? Just who is “okay to be a slave” and who isn’t? Logic doesn’t check out.	/r/MensRights	04/06/23 11:07 AM
1	Tired of tradcons telling me I should be forced to pay child support and fight for my country just because I was born a guy I wouldn’t look to the left (nor the right) for any clarity on the handling of gender norms these days. The right basically supports traditional roles even the ones that stereotype men to their detrimental as “idiot mules” for the state. The left is currently having a steamy romance with the vogue topic of trans rights, a philosophy which promotes the notion that you can “essentially know in yourself” whether you’re a girl or boy based upon fluffy feelings and the “kind of stuff you like. The ve…	/r/MensRights	31/05/23 07:18 AM
10	Affordable Housing in Canada Approved, But Only Women And Their Children Are you sure? Feminists rarely speak on male issues that men alone face. For example they don’t really address the fact that 85% of homeless are men, instead saying how it’s an outrage that 15% of homeless are women. They don’t talk about the lack of male domestic violence support systems or accommodation. Same for mental health provision. When talking about the astronomically higher male suicide rate, they deflect to the fact that something needs to be done about the fact women attempt suicide …	/r/MensRights	25/05/23 09:03 AM
1	Can artificial wombs finally give the right to have children for men? From a technological and societal POV, artificial wombs would be a huge benefit. I mean it would stop women needing to take time out of work or experience discomfort to carry a baby. They could use their eggs and their husbands sperm and just have the baby grown outside of them. No need to birth trauma! However, the sceptic in me thinks despite that appearing as a “win” for women, it would be opposed by them, because the fact women have to “bear children” is one of the biggest smoking guns in th…	/r/MensRights	25/05/23 08:56 AM
9	AITA for saying that i don't abide by the rules of the "modern" feminism? Their reaction may have been especially harsh here as I feel like most feminists through their intersectional circle jerks, assume that anyone who is LGBT will by default adopt the “white man bad, men suck lol” narrative. They assume all of the “great oppressed” have each others backs. And for you as a gay man to not tow the line, it’s like a betrayal in their mind. Others have said it here and I think I agree; most feminists don’t see gay men as “real men” because they behave like you shouldn’t…	/r/MensRights	25/05/23 08:47 AM
2	Where is the privilege? Agree. I guess what I’m trying to illustrate is that when confronted with such an individual, rather than ignore them I try to get them to confront the reality of how their conception “there is a problem” is actually a far more harrowing problem as it pertains to basic freedom. It’s rarely productive, but it is quite fun to watch the mental gymnastics employed trying to defend calling an exercise of freedom “problematic” as them somehow trying to increase women’s freedom. “I shall defend this th…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 02:08 PM
5	Where is the privilege? Yes. You do not see this about Sewage maintenance or rubbish collection. And that is because it is not about the principle of equality. It is about the principle of power and influence. For jobs without influence, it is deemed fine that the invisible hand of freedom works as it wills, and more men settle into these dangerous, filthy and unremarkable (socially roles). That is liberty at work. But when it comes to jobs that curry economic power, social power, influence and prestige, it is suddenly…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 01:56 PM
6	Where is the privilege? Well, I’d argue it’s deemed a problem by those looking at it, but it’s a faulty characterisation because they’re essentially saying “Women have free choices, but they’re not making these choices in specific ways, this is a problem” I don’t think that is a problem, but what I meant is that clearly they do. But it’s an error because the fundamental issue is they’re defining a system working arguably as intended as “a problem” simply because it doesn’t go in a specific direction. This is a tug of w…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 01:47 PM
1	Feminist duality. But is that a systemic issue or a relationship issue? I genuinely just don’t believe there is this mantra around that men are encouraged to, and justified in behaving like this. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. It does. Because ONCE it was socially acceptable. But I would urge people to really consider these days whether a man openly bragging that despite him and his wife working equal hours, he does no chores, would earn anything but contempt. I think the issue is perhaps that it remains a …	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 01:41 PM
11	Where is the privilege? It’s a difficult point to dispute because it falls to choice. If women are making free choices in their career that prevent them climbing the career ladder to the same degree men do, is it fair to say they’re under represented in those roles? The proponents of the “gap” would say yes. But what’s the solution? You can’t force more women to “make the right choices” because that’s tyranny. And the alternative is merely hiring women for these positions according to different criteria than men, which…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 01:22 PM
25	Where is the privilege? There are a few main “evidence strings” here. 1) The Wage Gap. Commonly referred to. However rarely elaborated on (as it doesn’t prove anything close to what is claimed from citing it) 2) Statistics on Sexual Assault. This is an iffy area because some countries don’t actually make it legally possible for men to be sexually assaulted or raped compared to women, so it’s difficult to know whether the disparity here is really a result of “privilege” or because of difficulties tracking it in men. 3) …	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 12:30 PM
9	Women are wearing a 'safety layer' over their outfits to deter 'creepy' men There was an article published in a UK paper today about a woman who is asking others whether she should reassess her relationship because her husband didn’t immediately come to her aid and come get her, because…. …she was walking in a country lane at dusk with her dog, and a man walked past her “quickly” and she felt anxious. The man didn’t linger, acknowledge her, or do anything. He simply moved past her quickly. She face timed her husband, asked him to come get her, he refused. She was on Fac…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 12:16 PM
-1	The meaning of of Patriarchy - As I see it Patriarchy is a word used to take the focus off the exploitative nature of the capitalist system being an essential part of its inner workings, but try to make people believe the inherent and essential inequality it breeds as a results of its structure is a result of “men” operating within it. It’s a VERY good ruse. I mean if patriarchal society was really about anything else (like describing a genuinely male centered society) it seems to do a fantastic job of screwing the rights and liberties o…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 12:00 PM
1	Is Misandry Real? Of course it exists. Do people really think we took the time to come up with a specific word to describe a phenomenon which doesn’t actually exist in reality and is just a hypothetical concept? “Ah yes, let’s come up with a word to describe the hypothetical notion of men being discriminated against, when we don’t think that is possible, because this will surely be useful!”	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 11:51 AM
1	Question for the peeps in this sub: Do you want the bonding nature of men to change for the better or should we respect the way most men socialize, but encourage more “bromance” culture? I do think masculinity and men would benefit from revising their approach to “male bonding”. I’m not talking about bromancing. That’s a gynocentrically approved term that restricts the male behaviour to the socially approved expectations of feminist influenced society. I’m talking that masculinity in general would do with revising itself and it’s approach as to how it works for men. So rather than just accepting “I rarely phone my male friends to just see how they are”, ask why that is and wheth…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 11:32 AM
3	Let's Promote Friendship Among Men Agree. Male interactions need to be normalised and accepted. I do think however a big part of this is also widening the scope of them. I’m not talking bromances here, but I think the very narrow field of “male interactions” as defined by for example red pill movements is limiting. For example they tend to view male interactions as either “gymming” “hustling” or “out with the boyzz” type interactions. Very rarely do they comment or seem to care about genuine emotional or substantial friendships b…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 11:14 AM
1	Why They Complain that you Succeed The consequences of hyper relativism. Morals are relative. Beauty is relative (for women largely regarding self assessment and assessment of other women) Health is relative Gender is relative Sex is relative. There is absolutely no onus to engage in any form of self improvement or growth if you can simply will into being not just a personal sense of excellence and amazement, but also cudgel others into agreeing with your self assessment based merely upon the fact you apply it to yourself. It’s l…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 11:02 AM
1	What do you think about this study where the only thing that seems to decrease the sentencing disparity between the sexes is to have more female judges? Case in point; the Depp Heard trial when Camille cross examined heard. Fantastic example of this in action and you could tell that the failure of the “woe is me” stunt to work on softening Camilles approach was triggering Heard big time.	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 07:36 AM
1	What do you think about this study where the only thing that seems to decrease the sentencing disparity between the sexes is to have more female judges? Not just hard for a man to put the brakes on. As men are are very socially aware of the expectation society has of us to “not be too rough on women” so even if a judge say, does suspect a woman of BS and playing the vulnerable card, if he’s a male judge, he knows that if he treats her with some gravity, there’s a good chance society will view him negatively for doing so, even if he doesn’t genuinely buy into the woman’s performance. I think a lot of men who treat women with kid clothes don’t gen…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 07:20 AM
5	Rant: I'm sick of men defending women being shitty and women acting shitty under that protection. Re: bystander effect. Women tend to be more helpful than men in intervening in situations that place the woman helping at no-little risk and don’t require a “severe” degree of intervention. So for example things like helping someone find a friend they’ve lost, or intervening to resolve a dispute of assigned seating on a train between two mild mannered women. When it comes to situations deemed “more severe” or where there is a more obvious element of risk to the helper involved, men significantly…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 07:02 AM
6	Rant: I'm sick of men defending women being shitty and women acting shitty under that protection. Society. Society is hugely gynocentric. Men are specifically taught and warned and schooled in “right ways to treat women”. The converse doesn’t apply. It’s no wonder there are thousands of men walking around who have a passive “women must be shielded” programme running in the background of their minds, but if you drilled down on why, they wouldn’t be able to give you a good answer they genuinely believe other than “well, that’s just the right thing to do isn’t it?”. And it’s a good job they don…	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 06:48 AM
13	Women are wearing a 'safety layer' over their outfits to deter 'creepy' men I remember seeing that. And the hilarious thing was even when the dude pulled out his registered blind card for the management to see, they still said “yeah well try not to stare at others”. It’s like “I can’t see these others so how can I know whether I’m staring at them or not? Technically I can’t stare at them as I can’t see them?” They still insisted. Lol	/r/MensRights	24/05/23 05:59 AM
3	The day she realised her husband changed the locks after she had an affair, is the day should flood her with empathy. I noticed that too. Her violating their martial vows is a “dent to his pride” but him being upset by her behaviour is apparently some kind of affront to their marriage? It really does bamboozle how infrequently women will hold up their hands and go “I did a bad”. Cheating is never their fault, and they seem more offended by their partners reaction/discovery of it than they do humouring how it may make him feel. But of course if he cheats, well, that’s different. How could he not comprehend how i…	/r/MensRights	23/05/23 08:57 PM
12	Why is the culinary industry male dominated ? It probably has to do with the “work culture” of cheffing than the technical skill of cooking. Cooking is part of it, yes, but I’d argue men do not have an objective advantage here. Either sex can equally discern flavour and prepare food. However cheffing also requires running a staff in a high pressure (often physically uncomfortable) environment to strict deadlines. It often involves heavy hours as well which may not always be sociable. It requires a lot of concerted effort to climb the ladder…	/r/MensRights	21/05/23 11:11 AM
1	Sozialist movements rarely speak of men, only of "workers" A substitution made by capitalism. The recordination of leftist politics on social justice and away from economic theory was a move coordinated by capitalist funding. The best way to ensure you truly defeat your enemy when the old monolith of it collapses is you yourselves play Frankenstein and make the “new monster”. Controlled opposition and all that. You only need to look at the differences in economic policy on left and right in most western countries to see this. There is no real deviation …	/r/MensRights	21/05/23 08:47 AM
2	Sozialist movements rarely speak of men, only of "workers" Capitalism has absolutely NOT harmed women’s rights. What a load of baloney. Capitalism grants women disproportionate economic power for labours rendered. The lynchpin of capitalism is the idea that somewhere in any business or production chain, you have at least one (usually more) individuals who do not contribute Labour hours into a sellable product, but they reap benefits from the sale of that product because the labourer is being paid less for their hours than the product is worth, so you ge…	/r/MensRights	21/05/23 08:33 AM
1	I am not a fan, but this video of Piers Morgan is worth to watch In marketing, there is a tension between “thinking like you customer base” and “trying to make your customer base think”. The first is obviously whatever you do to signal to the customer they are your customer. You okay to their preferences and instill their confidence. The second is the notion you can steadily and subtlety influence people to change the ways they think through their interaction with your products by introducing them to new ideas etc, or to make a “new market” desire your produc…	/r/MensRights	21/05/23 07:57 AM
2	Hi! I'm a woman. What do y'all stand for? In truth, no man denies this fact. But In here, why? “Out there” we have countless groups and measures they focus on women’s struggles and issues. We have vastly less for men. So I think it’s honestly tone deaf to come into a Mens Rights groups and go “oh don’t forget about women!” That exact behaviour is largely why this group exists, because it seems to be some kind of crime for men to talk about any issue they fact without it being turned into a “but women…” “women also…” “so long as women…” …	/r/MensRights	20/05/23 07:22 AM
2	Random question : I am expecting a son in 7 weeks should he be circumcised or uncircumcised ? Nope. Don’t do it. Do you not think it’s very strange, that pretty much every single country that is westernised in the world, that has a national health service doesn’t recommend circumcision in newborn boys, and the only one that has a privatised system does? Are there really people today who honestly think that every single other country in the world has got the science on this wrong, but the US, with their profit driven private healthcare industry is the one that happened to get it right? Re…	/r/MensRights	17/05/23 05:36 PM
3	Boys get lower grades at school for the same performance. They’re hostile towards school because if you ask a lot of boys, they feel school isn’t for them, doesn’t speak to them, and doesn’t engage them, and they’re correct. Modern education methods in most western countries (UK especially) are very focused on “feminised” methods of behaviour, learning and communication. Lots of group work, less exams. Less competition. Lots of “arguing or showing how you can interpret this”. Coursework. Having to explain why something is right. “The method being worth…	/r/MensRights	17/05/23 11:19 AM
18	Your feelings are valid.... 🙏🏼 Just a note; in your post where you’re apparently empathising with men, you mention your/womens struggles on about 5-6 occasions, and mens struggles probably about the same, but often as an addendum “men have the same struggles” etc. Please be aware in the lives experience of men, very often this pattern is a big part of why we don’t share our issues with women or have issues with them offering advocacy and support - because all too often something presented as a balm for our issues, becomes a d…	/r/MensRights	30/04/23 09:02 AM
1	Tell me what masculinity means to you in one word Congruence	/r/MensRights	30/04/23 08:35 AM
8	The CPS [Crown Prosecution Service in the UK] have this week recognised 'love bombing' as a sign of abuse. I have a concern that all sorts of behaviour in a relationship is becoming able to be cited in domestic abuse/controlling behaviour cases, probably particularly where there is a female victim Who gets to define what is considered love bombing? Or is this another one of those things the UK gov is attempting to criminalise which has no objective marker and is thus left to “feelings and perceptions” once more? This is basically a convoluted way of making it offence for a man to pursue a relationship with a woman (she is within consciously) in a way she doesn’t prefer/enjoy optimally where the man isn’t actually abusing her mentally or physically etc. It is not the governments place to l…	/r/MensRights	30/04/23 08:32 AM
3	People “teaching” boys to “respect” women and girls. Oh yes, it isn’t only women who maintain these standards for sure. I think when the equality is picked selectively (ie support equal pay, not equal dating) that kinda plays exactly into the point I was making, and often takes a pattern of “I support the equality that benefits me but not the kind that doesn’t” which when adopted by women claiming to be feminist, obviously causes men interacting with them to disassociate the movement from gender equality and towards merely benefitting women (even …	/r/MensRights	28/04/23 11:54 PM
4	People “teaching” boys to “respect” women and girls. I don’t need to worry about knots, and talking to women. I’m married thank you. Rather this is an observation of following feeds on social media, and also I work with young adults and I see this attitude more than infrequently amongst the young women where they will claim they stand for some principle such as gender equality, but it’s their “preference” that men behave traditionally, and they don’t seem to understand how that is contradictory. I understand not all women, nor feminists, do this, …	/r/MensRights	28/04/23 10:08 PM
2	I heard a great argument I've not heard before If I remember correctly the women moaned that the men were unwilling to trade with them or help them and they were having problems with the men adopting the stance that a trade needs to equally be in their interest to be worth their own resources, and in this scenario them being women and needing help wasn’t enough. They were absolutely dumbfounded and outraged by it.	/r/MensRights	28/04/23 04:50 PM
2	The bubble of male productivity pressure and how it is used against us: A medium-sized essay-like post on male over-productivity and how hustle culture grooms young men into being worker drones In the same way that “be your own boss” doesn’t necessarily mean you just do whatever you want, and people can advise on different ways to approach that. I mean, if MGTOW is completely non subscriptive, surely it is partially endorsing a view that men may wish to choose to be wage slaves for the betterment of women if that’s their own choice, which i think it objects to because it considers such men blue pilled and “not on board”. So clearly there are “ways” implied and others not. I just feel t…	/r/MensRights	28/04/23 01:25 PM
2	The bubble of male productivity pressure and how it is used against us: A medium-sized essay-like post on male over-productivity and how hustle culture grooms young men into being worker drones Possible meta concerns can arise from that itself: men need an aim because we’re still ultimately shackled to the idea that a man must “do” something to derive purpose and value…? I’m not saying any movement should advocate for aimlessness purely, rather I’m saying perhaps it is time such movement to divorce a man’s purpose/sense of self value away from things he does. Like by all means work, make money, or don’t, but maybe we should question whether that has anything to do with value as a man a…	/r/MensRights	28/04/23 11:02 AM
3	UK Labour considers plan to ‘educate boys’ to curb violence against women The problem with Starmers Labour is it tries to be all things to all people even across positions that yield contradictions. All it does is make him look non committal and focused on obtaining power for the sake of itself rather than because he has a clear idea of what wielding it means. This will never work with Labour since it was filled to the brim with progressive student ideologies. You can never reconcile the chasm that is the Labour traditional core who think that economy > all else with …	/r/MensRights	28/04/23 07:17 AM
8	People “teaching” boys to “respect” women and girls. Regressive mindset. We live in the modern world where women are more equal than ever, more masculine than ever, more aggressive than ever and have more independence than ever. You do not get the expect the benefits of traditional womanhood (ie chivalrous treatment) if you’re not traditional, because it makes no sense. Why would you give “special concern” for the people who participate in society just as much as you, to same degree and manner as you do? Giving women special respect and considerat…	/r/MensRights	28/04/23 06:56 AM
3	The bubble of male productivity pressure and how it is used against us: A medium-sized essay-like post on male over-productivity and how hustle culture grooms young men into being worker drones I don’t deny it probably works. I guess I just have an issue because it isn’t really doing much to change the idea that to be happy as a man is to have sex/women. And so long as that is the case, whether you’re saying “it’s my choice not theirs!” Or not, so long as you’re doing whatever you’re doing to have success with them, control of your life is being guided by an external axis, which doesn’t seem very empowering to me. The liberation movements for women focused on paving legal ground to all…	/r/MensRights	27/04/23 09:17 PM
3	The bubble of male productivity pressure and how it is used against us: A medium-sized essay-like post on male over-productivity and how hustle culture grooms young men into being worker drones I think this is where there’s a gap then. Because MRA then has two camps: one that basically says “okay here’s the truth to get women” which still beholds men to women as a source of happiness in some form, and then the black pill which basically has no prescriptive recommendations and basically says “if nature has dealt you a bad hand you’re fucked”. Both of them still focus discussions of men around women in some way. Are there any pills that actually talk about life as a man, growth, happines…	/r/MensRights	27/04/23 09:04 PM
3	The bubble of male productivity pressure and how it is used against us: A medium-sized essay-like post on male over-productivity and how hustle culture grooms young men into being worker drones I agree men need an aim. My point is a lot of red pill preachers will say “women and society tell you to make money your aim to have value” and then encourage you to do exactly the same thing for yourself? Maybe I just need wider exposure, but if those I’ve seen they encourage very much the same things men are compelled to do to have a chance at dating, as viable pursuits for your own purposes - make money, get fit and in shape etc. Now whilst I think it would dumb of them to encourage men to no…	/r/MensRights	27/04/23 05:47 PM
5	The bubble of male productivity pressure and how it is used against us: A medium-sized essay-like post on male over-productivity and how hustle culture grooms young men into being worker drones I agree totally on the hustle culture part. I also think it can be somewhat problematic in certain red pill circles that they don’t really divorce from it. All they really do is try to get men to generate wealth for whatever purposes they see fit (themselves, friends family) but to me it still echoes with these ideas that “being a man of worth” is still tied to this notion of creating resources and money, even though they’re trying to explain how men have been exploited because they’re being use…	/r/MensRights	27/04/23 04:28 PM
10	Handman's Tale I think the surface level take on THT is to go “yeah men having power sucks” but the theme to me is more obviously saying “the gender of those in charge matters not one bit, it’s the ideas they stand for and why that should cause concern”. Even as the characters in the tale focus on “the powerful men” it has them miss the point (until it is revealed) that in doing so they’re missing taking on the primary architect of the society who is a woman, because it is her husband who is portrayed purposef…	/r/MensRights	23/04/23 12:57 PM
26	Handman's Tale I think there’s several levels to it. On the surface, yes, it’s basically a “patriarchy bad, look at the poor women” where said patriarchy is obviously overt and all encompassing. However, when you look at the show/book closer it’s not that clear cut. Many of the women in Gilead (the patriarchal state) actually enjoy the status they have as mothers and found that they “became someone” in the state whereas before they were rather unremarkable. Many of them are depicted as fully agreeing with the …	/r/MensRights	23/04/23 12:34 PM
1	Should I do leg lengthening surgery ? This isn’t a men’s rights issue and doesn’t belong in this sub. This is a dating whining post veiled with chronically online blackpill doomer rhetoric and argument style. We do not need that kind of over exaggerated self pity circle jerking mindset here. This is essentially a “it’s not right or fair that women I like won’t date me” whilst you literally posted how you “won’t date women you deem unattractive”. So basically, life is unfair because women you want, who don’t want you, won’t date you,…	/r/MensRights	06/04/23 07:10 AM
27	I'm sick of women complaining about "mental load" It is a thing but it is exaggerated by the younger women especially. More young women than ever don’t actually know how to cook. This is by far a thing “more” for millennials and above than the gens below them. Regarding fixing it, most women really don’t, as previous poster said they often dislike losing the control and criticise when things are “done differently” to how they like anyway and suggest the man is purposefully doing it poorly. If they were genuinely interested in change, and relief…	/r/MensRights	31/03/23 07:16 AM
2	Perspective about rejection Don't treat women gently when you let them down. I'm not saying be mean, but i'm saying don't butter the pudding. A significant amount of the less enjoyable behaviours displayed by women in modern times and that society essentially enables (to the detriment and fairness of men) is that women are rarely rejected in objective terms. They're not used to hearing no and they're essentially taught to not expect it (and even if they get a no, they're taught to view it as the one they're asking "missing…	/r/MensRights	30/03/23 10:02 AM
1	Six important terms every MRA should be able to explain Really neat. I feel like Hypoagency is absolutely one of the key terms, because as much as Feminism likes to campaign along the lines of "women choose" "her choice" etc the degree to which is applies hypoagency to women whenever they do something arguably negative is ridiculous. So you simultaneously have women who are "perfectly aware of all elements to the degree to make informed choices about matters such as whether showcasing their own body on Onlyfans at 20 is wise or not" and yet this same…	/r/MensRights	30/03/23 09:58 AM
2	Was Aubrey Hale, Nashville school shooter and transgender (transman?) Taking testosterone? Making her agressive and violent? Discuss. The alternative is to live with expectations nothing may change and that just funnels into the increased male self deletion rate so even if it’s somewhat delusional, I hold the position that trying to lean back against it is preferred to nihilistic acceptance.	/r/MensRights	28/03/23 05:53 PM
2	Was Aubrey Hale, Nashville school shooter and transgender (transman?) Taking testosterone? Making her agressive and violent? Discuss. I’m aware of that but I honestly don’t care how they view it because their stance is illogical and stupid. I’m well aware of the double standard at work but it’s still valuable to point at it every time it surfaces in the hopes at least some minds will finally blow off their cobwebs.	/r/MensRights	28/03/23 04:45 PM
3	Was Aubrey Hale, Nashville school shooter and transgender (transman?) Taking testosterone? Making her agressive and violent? Discuss. It’s a red herring argument though, so it can be dismissed. Just as the “broken home upbringings” for men who grow to be killers is dismissed. It may have contributed but the choice is the choice.	/r/MensRights	28/03/23 04:41 PM
2	The word "Incel" should never be used as an insult It varies. Some ND people only date other ND people because they assume it will make things easier. Some don’t. I’m autistic. I have never and never really wanted to date autistic women. Simply because I already have my way and mannerisms and I don’t imagine coupling up with someone who is potentially rigid and inflexible like me; is a good idea. It sounds awful I know, but it’s how it is. I’m also pretty high functioning (I’ve been able to live independently since being 18) so basically my auti…	/r/MensRights	28/03/23 09:42 AM
9	Was Aubrey Hale, Nashville school shooter and transgender (transman?) Taking testosterone? Making her agressive and violent? Discuss. You can’t blame testosterone because millions of men with it everyday don’t go shooting places up. You need to have some kind of violent inclination/mental disposition to do this which testosterone might contribute to allowing them to act on it, but it certainly didn’t cause it.	/r/MensRights	28/03/23 09:20 AM
2	My uncle and his friend are both divorced... There is no easy answer. Relationships imply risk. There is no way to avoid that. So if you can’t accept the risk, you can’t accept the option, simple as. Are you strong enough as an individual to weather that risk and come out the other side if it does happen? If so, by all means proceed. If you’re not there yet, then don’t. Establish yourself first. But finally; being in a relationship will not “fix” anything. If you base a large part of your perception of yourself on whether you’ve had a rela…	/r/MensRights	25/03/23 11:47 AM
1	MPs have approved plans to make street sexual harassment a crime carrying jail sentences of up to two years. Catcalling, following someone or blocking their path will become an offence in England and Wales under a bill backed by the British government I don’t mean catcalling is threatening. I mean of all the things, it’s easiest to legislate because it concerns specific actions, directed at a specific person, with intent strongly implied in the words (recognising attraction). This makes it very easy to “catch” because there are fewer moving parts. The others are difficult, and I think you can see this because you’re stating “you can infer intent when paired with catcalling” so clearly it is the catcalling that signals the intent, not the act …	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 11:02 PM
3	MPs have approved plans to make street sexual harassment a crime carrying jail sentences of up to two years. Catcalling, following someone or blocking their path will become an offence in England and Wales under a bill backed by the British government This is the thing with law. A lot of things would be great in legal concept, but they can’t be because the mechanical implementation of them is just too difficult to meet the standards legal enforcement needs. Personally I think this is a good thing because it ensures where possible legal tests maintain integrity and it allows application of law to be as objective as possible. Once we add any element of subjective nuance into proceedings, you make a crack. With a crack comes wriggle room. With w…	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 08:51 PM
3	MPs have approved plans to make street sexual harassment a crime carrying jail sentences of up to two years. Catcalling, following someone or blocking their path will become an offence in England and Wales under a bill backed by the British government You see in that situation you have demonstrable behaviours. You said no, he was verbally aggressive. He was displaying active obstruction intent that was threatening and you were within rights to feel like that was unsafe. My problem with this bill is in so much as no context is mentioned for these behaviours, which means either the behaviour itself devoid of context is now criminal (lunacy) or the context is determined by the reporter alone (trial by perception) neither of which are good. Laws …	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 08:43 PM
5	MPs have approved plans to make street sexual harassment a crime carrying jail sentences of up to two years. Catcalling, following someone or blocking their path will become an offence in England and Wales under a bill backed by the British government I understand they can be threatening but the question is HOW do you legislate them? Let’s take blocking. How long do I have to “obstruct” your path until it counts as “obstructing your path”? Like can I do it for a second, then let you on your way, or is that wrong? What about half a second? Does the intention of the blocker matter? Like if I’m standing in a dimly lit street and hard of hearing, and I’m inadvertently blocking someone’s way and can’t really see them nor hear them, should I be cha…	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 08:31 PM
0	MPs have approved plans to make street sexual harassment a crime carrying jail sentences of up to two years. Catcalling, following someone or blocking their path will become an offence in England and Wales under a bill backed by the British government Why is catcalling free when of all the examples on this list, it is the only one where it is an action with a reasonably inferred intent behind it? When you catcall a woman, your motivations / intention is ridiculously easy to infer when you use those words and perform those actions aimed at them. Obstructing someone’s path. So like, if I get cramp and stop, is that it? What happens if we’re doing the “British shuffle” where you’re not sure who is giving right of way and we keep going the same w…	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 08:21 PM
1	PsychologyToday writes a ridiculous article about how unwanted sexual inexperience causes hatred or violence against women, uses a heavily flawed study with flawed methodology. Thanks for the link. I’ll give this a read.	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 08:13 PM
2	PsychologyToday writes a ridiculous article about how unwanted sexual inexperience causes hatred or violence against women, uses a heavily flawed study with flawed methodology. I’m not denying that’s necessarily true at all. What I’m saying is making inductive leaps without evidence is an iffy business. Someone displaying violent behaviours in a virtual context against X characteristic is not necessarily proof that they will display the same characteristics against X characteristic in other contexts. Not until you provide evidence. Naysayers of video games have been trying to prove for years that people engaging in violent games are more likely to be violent IRL and un…	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 08:05 PM
2	PsychologyToday writes a ridiculous article about how unwanted sexual inexperience causes hatred or violence against women, uses a heavily flawed study with flawed methodology. Never said it did. And if that’s the conclusion that’s basically worthless anyway. Anything from a 0.2 to 1 is a correlation. Concluding “there’s a correlation” and that’s it is extremely non descriptive. The report is being extremely coy in the language it uses “it’s a correlation” is being used when in most contexts observing such would warrant the response “there’s a weak correlation” but obviously they create different impressions. Concluding “inceldom has a weak positive correlation with mi…	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 07:42 PM
1	Bit of a vent Precisely. Too often today it becomes a competition.	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 07:39 PM
5	Let's think of ideas on how to make laws fair for us men Here are a few: remove gendered language in laws unless said law refers to a unique natural bodily occurrence within said gender that is unique to them (eg pregnancy) when it comes to laws with sentencing, make the prescriptions for sentencing explicit, ie “if this is the case, alter in X way” to do away this this tendency with judges to interpret women’s situations differently to men. I realise this may restrict the freedom of individual judges and reduce the role their own judgement plays, but…	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 04:41 PM
3	Vast majority of men were historically oppressed more than women, if not way more. Books and articles about history are extremely misleading and make people believe that ALL men lived life on easy mode, and not only the small minority of men who were born to noble families. I never said otherwise nor implied it? So…? I was merely illustrating how the only group who has consistently enjoyed electoral freedom in history is the economically powerful males, rather than electoral struggle being something completely unique to women. Wasn’t attempting to suggest men blame women for this and if anyone gets that from my post they probably need to take a second look.	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 04:32 PM
1	My take on trans people in female sports and why i think its good for mens rights. Uh, quite a few female athletes have spoken out against this, not sure where you get the idea none of them have? They get bayed by the twitterati following it but they’ve definitely spoken out, many of them have done so anonymously which isn’t terribly helpful but this isn’t something women “in the field” are universal in their support of it for sure. And as for the reason why care? Because at the end of the day my understanding is men’s rights is about egalitarianism and principles, not whack i…	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 04:30 PM
3	Vast majority of men were historically oppressed more than women, if not way more. Books and articles about history are extremely misleading and make people believe that ALL men lived life on easy mode, and not only the small minority of men who were born to noble families. They’re taken directly from the official parliamentary website where the history of parliamentary development is logged. https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/houseofcommons/reformacts/	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 02:52 PM
3	Vast majority of men were historically oppressed more than women, if not way more. Books and articles about history are extremely misleading and make people believe that ALL men lived life on easy mode, and not only the small minority of men who were born to noble families. The exclusive and privileged upper caste of men.	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 12:26 PM
100	Australia: Why female teacher, 31, who had sex with a student, 16, four times in the back seat of her car has been spared jail Why not jail? He was a minor under her care, and he was in the process of grieving the loss of a family member. If this were a girl and an older man, nobody would be scratching their heads over whether is appropriate or not because "he seemed up for it". Depending on the county, be may have actually been under the legal age of consent altogether. I'm so sick of articles like this where you can find so many mitigations they search for; "Jail would be devastating for you..." "You've shown remorse"…	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 11:56 AM
2	PsychologyToday writes a ridiculous article about how unwanted sexual inexperience causes hatred or violence against women, uses a heavily flawed study with flawed methodology. Especially in a group with notoriously low self image and esteem as incels. Many on them "deep in the funk" can't recognise social signs of women being receptive or friendly towards them at all, so why on earth would you ask just for their estimation of whether they've been successful or not? Incel forums are literally loaded with examples of guys shooting themselves in the foot because they lose their shit in a conversation that is actually going really well but they cannot see that.	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 11:45 AM
2	PsychologyToday writes a ridiculous article about how unwanted sexual inexperience causes hatred or violence against women, uses a heavily flawed study with flawed methodology. It's fine for making it "pallatable for laypeople" and general acquaintance in terms of accuracy of general psychological principles but yeah, when it comes to the fine print and nuance it doesn't really broker in that so much- you have to actively look for that and catch it in what they do actually print.	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 11:41 AM
3	Im confused. Feminists have been telling people for years they are "equally physically as strong & capable as men". Today they are celebrating the new ban on all trans people competing in womens sports, saying: "good, because they are stronger than us".... What's a woman? "A woman is an individual who identifies with a feminine experience and sense of selfhood." What is a feminine experience and selfhood? "An experience and sense of self rooted in womanhood" And round and round it goes.	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 11:29 AM
2	Bit of a vent Probably because a lot of women, when they're doing it, do the "responsibility spread". Example: Man in situation says "I have X problem, as far as I can tell, this stems from your behaviour, so I would appreciate it if you could do Y to help me with that issue." Women's reply: "I agree, X is a problem for us all, and I think we all need to take steps to do out part." Basically the situation is turned from one where someone is articulating a problem, specific to them, where others shoulder some …	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 11:22 AM
11	UK: "All gender" toilets which have one stall beside row of urinals. They really do not care about male privacy. What is it feminists said about the whole women wearing shorts and crop tops thing? Teach men not to look. Forgive me if i'm mistaken, but could she just NOT look at the guys penises when in the toilet? I mean after all, the guy is there using the facility for the intended purpose. It's not up to him to try and hide his penis, it's up to her to not be looking at it, the filthy pervert.	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 11:14 AM
0	Men have become worthless largely at no fault of their own Neither's values have changed, not men, nor women. What has changed is the preponderance of men/women representing that value in relative terms. So men have always valued youth, beauty, faithfulness etc when it comes to picking a wife. Anything else is largely a bonus. This idea hasn't shifted generally speaking. What has changed though is the amount of women "investing stock" in representing these traditional ideas. Women have traditionally valued men who bring resources, protection and structu…	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 10:31 AM
0	My take on trans people in female sports and why i think its good for mens rights. Even if I disagree with the lengths to feminism has gone, I disagree that allowing trans women to compete with bio women is fair and I personally don’t think of it in a “it’s what you deserve” mentality. Those individual athletes may or may not have bought into the gross intersectionality of feminism, but looking at many of their statements and stances, I’d say probably not. So I think them having their hard work and undone and then going “serves you right” merely because they share gender with …	/r/MensRights	24/03/23 09:51 AM
2	PsychologyToday writes a ridiculous article about how unwanted sexual inexperience causes hatred or violence against women, uses a heavily flawed study with flawed methodology. Too much of the research is based on self report. And if their sample was picked from individuals who frequent black pill incel forums, well, one only needs to look at some of the posts there to understand how unreliable they can be as narrators when they have a captive audience. Especially when it comes to generating shock factor. So I think taking their word on some of this stuff is iffy. It’s plausible some of them may well have “upped the ante” just for the sake of it similar to how they do …	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 10:43 PM
14	PsychologyToday writes a ridiculous article about how unwanted sexual inexperience causes hatred or violence against women, uses a heavily flawed study with flawed methodology. Good spot on that insertion of “feminist discourse” at the end. The study was about views about women wasn’t if? Not feminism. Feminism as an ideology and women aren’t the same thing. I wonder if agreement with feminist discourse is one of the measures within the measure of misogyny scale? Wouldn’t surprise me if it was.	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 05:00 PM
23	PsychologyToday writes a ridiculous article about how unwanted sexual inexperience causes hatred or violence against women, uses a heavily flawed study with flawed methodology. Okay. So they’re claiming “this is a significant factor” when the results show a positive correlation of range between 0.18 to 0.3 which is on the higher range, a weak positive correlation. On the lower end, neglible at best. Less than a third of individuals who “identify with incel status” apparently express the determined misogynistic views being studied. So I’m not sure why the focus is on inceldom in particular? Across the axis. The highest scoring correlation with inceldom (as they defined …	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 04:58 PM
5	Freezing their eggs, highly paid highly educated women victims of men's bad behavior once again This is just it. For men, wealth is magnetic because it is implied (where a man has it) that it means he leads a comfortable lifestyle, and he’s willing to extend that comfort to women he interacts with romantically or sexually. Be it dinner, shopping, holidays, not having to worry about work. Just generally “taking care of things” and for the “right woman” most wealthy men are prepared to do this, and don’t really see it as an issue. They do it willingly. With wealthy women, their wealth is rar…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 04:18 PM
4	Freezing their eggs, highly paid highly educated women victims of men's bad behavior once again Indeed. Men tend to accumulate “social value” as they age as attractive masculinity (stability, ability to provide, maturity, leading) tend to be concepts that grow over time. Men “hit their stride” mid thirties to mid fourties. Women in traditional terms (remember that, because that’s what a lot of men are still into, even if they don’t say so) tend to peak their social value very quickly when they’re young, but it rapidly falls off unless she is already in a relationship and can derive value b…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 02:48 PM
-4	Freezing their eggs, highly paid highly educated women victims of men's bad behavior once again I don’t disagree with any of this. And I never implied that women’s biological clock is “men’s problem or obligation”. In fact I specifically pointed out that a woman recognising it doesn’t require a man to respond to it at all. Rather I was just trying to illustrate that it isn’t so much a “drive” that compels women to act this way, so much as a recognition of an objective truth (they will one day be unable to have children) and thus it doesn’t even fall into the radar of “needs” in my opinion …	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 02:25 PM
3	Vast majority of men were historically oppressed more than women, if not way more. Books and articles about history are extremely misleading and make people believe that ALL men lived life on easy mode, and not only the small minority of men who were born to noble families. Yeah I won’t haha. My point is more people seemingly ignore the gigantic role social class played in historical interactions and stuff and blame other traits. It’s kind of like “men did this, X did that” and it’s attributed to their maleness or their Xness and in reality it’s more to do with the fact their economic power allowed and empowered them to do these things and the fact is that them being male or X is completely incidental to things.	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 02:18 PM
9	Vast majority of men were historically oppressed more than women, if not way more. Books and articles about history are extremely misleading and make people believe that ALL men lived life on easy mode, and not only the small minority of men who were born to noble families. If nothing else it should serve as a lesson that all the men/women/victim of the day stuff is just white noise and fluff, and the repeating pattern in history that is seen time and time again is that the property owning classes and those with financial means tend to resist franchising those below them for as long as they can. To focus on the point that women “didn’t get it” until after men (10 years) is to miss the massive point that nobody outside of the property owning classes and those with m…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 02:09 PM
-6	Freezing their eggs, highly paid highly educated women victims of men's bad behavior once again Whilst I agree with your general sentiment I’m not sure the “biological clock” is the same as what you describe. By biological clock, I mean the women’s recognition that as she ages, her body becomes less and less likely of successfully carrying a pregnancy. This is an empirical fact which is completely unaffected by her emotions towards it. Recognition of this fact can motivate women to urgently “try to have children” irrespective of whether their emotions compel them to or not, because they kn…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 02:00 PM
141	Vast majority of men were historically oppressed more than women, if not way more. Books and articles about history are extremely misleading and make people believe that ALL men lived life on easy mode, and not only the small minority of men who were born to noble families. When women achieved the vote in England, 44% of men in England had only had the right vote 10 years before women got it. And when working men in England first gained the vote, some women could also vote by that same act (women who owned property or whose husbands did). So the idea that “no women could vote” for the longest time compared to men is bogus. In England it looks like this generally: Before 1265 - voting doesn’t exist. 1432 - Only male landowners fitting the “40 shilling freehold” stan…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 01:18 PM
6	Woman have been less happy than men since around 1990. Feminists explain that women achieved all their goals and twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why feminism isn't making for happy women. Thanks for the support. I’m unsure whether it will ever come to be but I’ve made peace with it. It’ll probably be something I will investigate more properly when my kids age a bit and are no longer at home/matured. Having my focus on them at this stage in addition to my work is enough atm as they’re both in pretty significant transitional stages atm and they’re the priority.	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 12:08 PM
6	CNN discusses Why the rate of single men in the US looking for dates has declined As much as I disagree with the tenants in some of the comments in podcasts like Fresh N Fit I have to say it was nailed on one of them when discussing this, where it was generalised along the lines of- Women today are more obese on average. Women today are older before they start having or wanting to have children. Women today have higher body counts than ever before. But their expectations haven’t changed. They still want a guy who has lots of money, power and makes them feel safe and wants to …	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 11:14 AM
6	Woman have been less happy than men since around 1990. Feminists explain that women achieved all their goals and twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why feminism isn't making for happy women. Yeah let me be clear, I find a lot of parts of my job interesting, and I am good at it. But like, without sounding corny, it isn’t “what I was put here to do.” If that makes sense? I can like parts of my job, but it isn’t ever a thing where I’m like “thank god it’s work today!” And having a day off wouldn’t be more appealing to me. Whereas if I worked with food, prepping recipes, travelling about, introducing people to stuff. I’d get up bright and early for that shit because engaging with food a…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 10:56 AM
20	Woman have been less happy than men since around 1990. Feminists explain that women achieved all their goals and twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why feminism isn't making for happy women. The method of calculation is dumb though. It measures “time spent doing the chore”. That is a crappy measure. Someone taking 2 hours to do what someone else does in 1 doesn’t mean they’re necessarily working harder or doing more work. It could just mean they’re procrastinating. Also, it’s relying upon on self selected studies. Like, yeah, with a survey where you’re trying to see whether women get shafted or not domestically of course women won’t inflate how much time they actually spend doing th…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 10:37 AM
22	Woman have been less happy than men since around 1990. Feminists explain that women achieved all their goals and twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why feminism isn't making for happy women. Hence why I quoted it “article” in an earlier post. It’s quirky images with vague sounding authoritative dog whistles with sources which are socially out of date. It’s basically someone giving us their opinion what they “think” is the issue but they’re not even honest enough to call it an opinion piece. It’s trash tier if it’s supposed to be some kind of social commentary. I haven’t worked as many hours as you nor the same Labour (I work in education and psyche ) but conversely it’s a hard role …	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 10:23 AM
13	Freezing their eggs, highly paid highly educated women victims of men's bad behavior once again Total agree. The bracket concept was basically shorthand for “what people think their worth is”. The issue here is the perception is skewed. Women with material success struggle amongst men of the same ilk- those men are really not “their bracket” but they think they are. Then again, a lot of women have completely wild interpretations of their own value these days when it comes to a relationship and what they offer. They appraise the wrong things at the wrong value and then get made when men don…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 09:51 AM
58	Freezing their eggs, highly paid highly educated women victims of men's bad behavior once again The part where the men are demonised for not wanting kids yet due to wanting to fulfill career ambition first is wild. Like, don’t we usually praise people when they exercise such judgement about wanting to be able to give their kids the best life and not rushing into it? Yet here, it’s apparently a good reason to shade guys because the woman has personally decided “she is ready” and what her partner thinks is kinda irrelevant? Gee. I wonder whether this mindset has anything to do with the numbe…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 09:45 AM
49	Freezing their eggs, highly paid highly educated women victims of men's bad behavior once again From the article: “Exhibiting bad behaviours such as infidelity and ageism…” (describing men’s contribution towards these women not having a partner) Fuck. Right. Off. Infidelity is not a one way street. Since sexual opportunities have opened up to women infidelity in women has skyrocketed. The difference is most men are not in a position to cheat because most men don’t have massive access to women who want to sleep with them. So the behaviours of the top end of men are being generalised onto th…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 09:36 AM
54	Woman have been less happy than men since around 1990. Feminists explain that women achieved all their goals and twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why feminism isn't making for happy women. This is super interesting because it sheds light on the idea that despite women now being seen as equal in the workplace, they still benefit from the idea that they “don’t need to work, if they do though it’s a good thing.” Another example of empowerment without responsibility. Whilst I entertain the notion that some men will quit jobs because they’re unhappy, they idea they just stop working altogether because they don’t like it is unheard of. And a lot of men will work in jobs that don’t satis…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 08:20 AM
9	Woman have been less happy than men since around 1990. Feminists explain that women achieved all their goals and twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why feminism isn't making for happy women. The answer is simple. Modern feminism was never about happiness, it was about empowerment. But empowerment is only fulfilling in the sense that one also bears the responsibility of that empowerment, so they can get the satisfaction of knowing they utilised it well, it meant something, and it developed them personally. This is the issue beyond modern feminism empowers women but tries to avoid giving them the responsibility that comes with it. Power without responsibility is hollow and despotic an…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 08:05 AM
17	Woman have been less happy than men since around 1990. Feminists explain that women achieved all their goals and twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why feminism isn't making for happy women. This is even assuming that the reason given in the “article” is the correct attribution to women’s happiness. It identifies stats on domestic division from about 20 years ago, and then goes “this is probably why women are less happy”. I mean this is a pompously presented article that is basically doing educated guesswork using old data. “Yeah this is probably the reason women are unhappy.” Why not actually look at some data on self report studies of why women are unhappy? Seems a bit weird to do…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 07:51 AM
6	Woman have been less happy than men since around 1990. Feminists explain that women achieved all their goals and twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why feminism isn't making for happy women. Interesting that the sources used to refer to women experiencing “double shift” domestically are at the latest, from 2004, using samples of women from the late nineties to the early noughties to form the sample. I personally think it’s a little bit disingenuous to refer to this as a statement of fact for society right now, when you’re referring to a social phenomenon as observed from about 25 year old data. Unless the author is claiming society doesn’t really change much in 25 years…? Would it n…	/r/MensRights	23/03/23 07:28 AM
3	"Coercive Control": Latest Feminist legal theory pushed in Australia, Canada, and the UK that says any disagreement a man has with a women in a relationship is potential evidence of "domestic violence" and worthy of criminal charges and prison I’m not a big fan of movements that attempt to draft this into law; gender neutral or no. We already have stuff covered with things like physical abuse, psychological abuse, financial abuse etc. I’m not a huge fan of attempting to legislate matters of relationships which are basically entirely down to perception and don’t have any real empirical difference between above mentioned abuse charges. I mean if it’s not covered by those, what exactly is it mean to cover? “Oh I feel like this person was…	/r/MensRights	22/03/23 07:19 PM
6	An eternal truth: Advocating for the downtrodden is never easy Such people are the reason the term slacktivism was invented. A covetous desire for all the accolades of a proud and brave warrior but without any of the daring such a position requires. But the dialogue is bombarded with words like “brave” and so on. I fail to see how it is brave to come out in support of things that society will generally applaud you for it and protect your ability to do so, and from any consequences of doing so. Bravery would actually require you to put something at risk in m…	/r/MensRights	22/03/23 07:57 AM
3	Good statistics I agree with this. Rape will invariably be seen as a “not all men” type topic. Suicide is harder to shrug off without making yourself look like a heartless twat, although the topic is arguably heavier. It also has data to back it starting from quite far back as well with Durkheims “Suicide” and then just grew from there. See: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2019registrations This data is also specifically in…	/r/MensRights	21/03/23 06:43 PM
2	My neighbor came over to have a couple beers with me and we had a bro moment I disagree with your neighbour. The things that hurt men the most are: Being socially held to our traditional gender role in a world where gender roles are being phased out. Aside from personally screwing men on the individual level, it creates a significantly large social anomie in the up and coming male youth who are socialised into expectations that society personally judges them for, yet still expects them to perform. This is probably the number one cause for the staggeringly high self delet…	/r/MensRights	21/03/23 04:35 PM
10	Remember, there is no such thing as 'Objectification' The trouble with this territory is a lot of it is conducted under assumptions of mindset rather than anything tangible. And often basic speech is taken as confirmation of mindset in some situations, but not all. An example: when a woman dresses in a provocative fashion it could be for herself to feel “empowered”, it could be to solicit attention. Until she says why, we don’t know. Conversely, even if she says “empowerment” that doesn’t necessarily mean she isn’t doing it for some of the other re…	/r/MensRights	21/03/23 09:57 AM
98	Why is racism and sexism becoming so linked? And these lines are often spoken by young women who belong to ethnic minorities, and the “struggle” they’re talking about is the one very often their dad faces/faced to afford them some alleviation, so it’s really rich coming from them. That’s largely his struggle you’re Co-opting and performing as some kind of routine. Like not to say women of ethnic minorities don’t face issues. Of course they do. But it’s a bit of bloody cheek to have girls like this attending upper crust universities with th…	/r/MensRights	19/03/23 05:32 PM
1	The most accurate explanation of feminism to-date. This guy says it all (almost. He missed just one point - that the dynamics of feminism is the classical dynamics of racist-fascism) Ah yes. Lines like that are a good example of what I was trying to ramble about! Between two choices, something you “have to handle” and something that is already “user friendly” what does common sense dictate? I know for many, they’re not seeking a relationship to make their life more complex or difficult!	/r/MensRights	19/03/23 05:25 PM
0	Rabbi Benjamin Blech \| Hating Men: The New Racism \| October 9, 2018 This issue is MORE pronounced in feminist circles. TERF is a slur in feminist circles for a reason. Feminists are caught between schools of thought that wish to occupy themselves with egalitarianism in law, those that wish to focus on gender only, those that want to elevate the concerns of feminism to beyond law and into social normativity and then those that believe that the ills of any and all other marginalised groups are also primary feminist concerns. They infight a lot. Hell, they infight …	/r/MensRights	19/03/23 04:29 PM
1	The most accurate explanation of feminism to-date. This guy says it all (almost. He missed just one point - that the dynamics of feminism is the classical dynamics of racist-fascism) Bit lost what this has to do with my comment? You’re quoting something totally different?	/r/MensRights	19/03/23 04:21 PM
12	Things in Spain are getting out of hand This bit is interesting to me: Experts warn that circumventing the purpose of the trans norm is a fraud of law, which would mean that the act that has been committed fraudulently is annulled. As explained in the news verification portal, 'Newtral', the process to change sex is not so simple as to do it from one day to the next. "The trans law requires that the person who wants to carry out this procedure appear twice, with a maximum of 3 months between the first time and the second, to confirm h…	/r/MensRights	19/03/23 12:46 PM
1	Police plan to tackle 'incel' culture to cut violence against women Don’t disagree.	/r/MensRights	19/03/23 12:29 PM
3	The most accurate explanation of feminism to-date. This guy says it all (almost. He missed just one point - that the dynamics of feminism is the classical dynamics of racist-fascism) Disagree slightly. Youth and sexual attractiveness and fertility is what lures men into the relationship. The thing that keeps him around (and the woman does provide) is peace. Men engaging in a working world that stresses them out, asks of them, and takes from them. The role the woman historically stepped up to play was to create an environment where the man is given to, asked what he needs and generally helps him maintain a state of peace in contrast to his working life. The woman traditionall…	/r/MensRights	19/03/23 10:05 AM
3	Police plan to tackle 'incel' culture to cut violence against women I think with this topic you need to distinguish between “incels in the fact” and “incels in the culture”. The first are a group of often lonely, socially eccentric men who are incel in their status, but they do not necessarily identify as such in so much as proclaiming it some essential part of their identity. They do not purposefully flock to social spaces seeking out other men in the same situation. If that happens, it happens merely because these men in a similar situation have similar hobbie…	/r/MensRights	19/03/23 09:45 AM
1	Original Sin The idea that anyone bears some modicum of collectivist guilt or responsibility in a society that pushes egoistic individualism as much as the west is utterly laughable. You can’t have a society that pushes the importance of “you” “your perception” “your truth” also making you party to these things for others. This idea may fly in societies and cultures that still have a strong bent towards collectivism like certain sections of the eastern world, but in the west it’s utterly a no go. You cannot …	/r/MensRights	13/03/23 06:56 AM
1	'Abusive' Yorkshire wife who beat up husband while holding down high-powered job is jailed It’s a UK quirk with media. They’ll often put claims of something in quotes to avoid falling foul of libel laws and having to print redactions in the event the thing they printed wasn’t exactly true as stated. This way they can just claim it was a “quote taken in context, not a statement of fact” and avoid such a mess.	/r/MensRights	12/03/23 07:57 AM
1	Is there actually rights that men have over women? List of societal norms that suck for men: You are not assumed primary parent or to have capacity of primary parent. Often viewed as a “babysitter” of your own kids. This has legal dimensions as well a la court custody and also presence of changing facilities in locations that aren’t located within a woman’s toilet. Additionally school events and parent groups etc which often invite mums by name (ie mothers/mums) which exclude men or they’re required to specifically clarify whether they can atten…	/r/MensRights	11/03/23 04:46 PM
8	People say that women glam up "to impress other girls", do you think men do the same? No. If we take the most popular form of “glamming up” for men, working out, then it’s very different. Men often look to other men “glammed up” in that way as aspirational, and often men are supportive of encouraging the efforts of others through supportive gym Bro culture. With women, I don’t think it’s “to impress” in such a straightforwardly supportive manner. Women are often quite backhanded about each others appearance (not all, but in many spheres yes) and see it as “aspirational competitio…	/r/MensRights	06/03/23 03:50 PM
3	When Feminists say the false rape accusation rate is XYZ%, what do they mean? And interestingly, the standard isn’t consistent. Some feminist identifying women were asked on the Whatever podcast about this. Firstly they were asked about consent and of course they were extremely animated about the idea that for sex consent is needed and a woman can withdraw it at any time, which is fair enough. The host then asked them how they feel about a guy who asks them to kiss them during the dating process and all of them responded negatively “it’s lame” “I just want him to seize th…	/r/MensRights	04/03/23 06:54 AM
6	How can people so clearly see discrimination in history, but not see how they are doing it to men right now? I give up. Education is a huge part of it. Many young gen Z feminists are walking around with this vague idea that throughout history men as a collective blob have always enjoyed zounds of rights compared to the blob of women and it’s just not true. They’re completely unaware that in the history of the western world in particular, around 95% of men couldn’t vote either. The only ones who could were landowners and if people think their spouses had no input in their decision making and voting (or even a need…	/r/MensRights	03/03/23 08:09 AM
2	It seems like many people misuse the words incel and misogynist online. Fantastic point and completely agree. Arguing a word that is widely used in a colloquial sense (and across various cultures spread around the globe that share a given language) in a certain way “doesn’t really mean that” because “that’s not what the dictionary says or what the term originally meant” is tilting at windmills. Languages principal use is to communicate ideas, not fill out a dictionary. So if a word is widely and almost exclusively used in a way within communications that appears to …	/r/MensRights	03/03/23 07:47 AM
35	Why is @JustPearlyThings now at the forefront of the Manosphere on YouTube? Unfortunately this is a territory where the speaker being a man is often enough to have their points dismissed out of hand. You only need to look at the more “gentle” men-led podcasts that deal with similar topics (like Whatever) and despite the host being one of the gentler and less abrasive proponents of “the male angle” there are still times where his female guests simply refuse to engage with or humour his points simply because “you’re a man, you would say that.” Having a woman forward the a…	/r/MensRights	01/03/23 07:37 PM
6	Has feminism helped out men's cases of suicide and depression by removing gender roles and expectations? Nope. The biggest sign is regarding the “workplace reshuffle” feminism is only interested in two things principally: 1) Jobs that liberal overwhelmingly white women have access to 2) Jobs that carry a good degree of social or economic power or are influence. Feminism isn’t particularly interested in the situation of women in countries where there isn’t a whole load of cushy white collar jobs for them to land into and start influencing things like policy or social trends. And also their rave for …	/r/MensRights	01/03/23 07:14 PM
1	How many of you are left wingers? I’d identify as left wing, but not “on the left” so to speak because I’m more “old school left wing” ie economic concerns and class based concerns rather than the incessant preoccupation with identity politics the current left is associated with.	/r/MensRights	27/02/23 07:55 PM
5	I’m racist for supporting men’s rights. This reminds me of a clip of the “Whatever” podcast I viewed where the host (male) was asking a question regarding why women view it as unacceptable or can’t try to humour why a man may have a preference regarding a prospective long term partners body count, and one of the female panel started to launch into an almost textbook parade on how he couldn’t view that him fielding that question as a straight white man was problematic. To the hosts credit, he drilled down on that and demanded she expla…	/r/MensRights	24/02/23 08:49 AM
1	Why is discrimination everywhere? All you really need to know is that merely posting in this sub gets you automatically banned from several feminist subreddits, whereas posting in those subreddits does not get you banned here. So really that’s all you need to consider when it comes to the “which sphere is more discriminatory?”. One sphere challenges opposing views and tries to confront them, the other actively prevents them from entering into discussion at all and concludes they’re wrong by proxy of advocating (or even just cons…	/r/MensRights	24/02/23 08:07 AM
5	She is going to be a heart surgeon UK justice: “People (men) involved in domestic disputes and accusations even without conviction to be added to list to highlight them as possible risk factors for further criminal behaviour.” Also UK Justice: “This clear demonstration of criminal behaviour by a woman is clearly a one off and we will assume it won’t happen again despite the fact she already committed an actual criminal offence. We will instead infer lots of random predictions about her life based upon anecdotes that contradict wi…	/r/MensRights	24/02/23 07:47 AM
5	UK: Fire chief sparks backlash after banning the word 'fireman' - because it's 'sexist and exclusionary' Question: what about the word midwife? Then again I guess there isn’t a rush to examine whether this word is discriminatory or not because men are pretty much excluded from that sphere of activity and nobody cares to address that. Do these people object to the word “human” as well? Because the word “man” in terms like fireman, policeman and fisherman etc carries the same meaning as the suffix “man” in “human”, it is not referring to gender at all. Also, let us assume it is a gendered term for th…	/r/MensRights	24/02/23 07:41 AM
16	Millions of men are leaving the workforce. Here's the lasting impact that has on the economy. Yes, the choice element is often overlooked or handwaved away as “barriers”. This myth is utterly busted by facts. Look at the Scandinavian countries for example. They’re some of the most egalitarian in the world when it comes to accessibility in working spheres for genders compared to anywhere else in the world. The result? The distribution of men to women and vice versa working in their “traditional spheres” of activity is actually more pronounced than elsewhere in the world. Even when you mak…	/r/MensRights	24/02/23 07:21 AM
3	Number of people never married rises, UK census shows Correct. In the UK child maintenance is utilised when a parent does not live with the child and the parent who does live with them is the “primary caregiver”. In this situation the income of the other party is irrelevant because they are not the one primarily looking after the child. To pay them money, when they’re not looking after the children the majority of the time, simply because they earn less would technically be a form of alimony rather than child maintenance because the costs they’re i…	/r/MensRights	23/02/23 10:31 AM
2	Media’s bias on adoption It’s obvious. The social value of men has always been contingent upon their willingness to sacrifice their personal attributes such as health, time and materials for others. A man who isn’t willing to endure hardship personally to benefit others is “no man at all”. Women are not held to their standard. Their value is deemed inherently present merely by the hypothetical notion that she can mother children- but she doesn’t actually have to do it. Therefore if she takes decision to preserve herself…	/r/MensRights	23/02/23 10:21 AM
12	Can someone tell me what % of the men working population are CEO’s, at least in the UK? To be clear, I’m not asking what percentage of overall CEOs they are compared to women; I’m asking what percentage of men workers as a whole are CEOs in the first place. Specifically in the UK this is difficult if nearly impossible to answer, as data on CEOs as an employment group isn’t collated. The closest we have is using stuff like the FTSE but even then not all top ranking companies in the UK even employ a CEO in the first place. If we work with the average size of a company that tends to employ a CEO, and use that as a rough guide, the figure generated will arrive at something like less than 0.5% of the working male population being CEOs compared to other …	/r/MensRights	23/02/23 09:38 AM
2	What's up with all the posts about dating? Because the treatment of men in a social sphere that is essentially boiled down to literal “man meets woman” exchange can be seen as reflective of men’s issues in a wider sense. For example look at the behaviour in a workplace, or a street. People generally aren’t hitting each other, and let each other go about their day. This reflects the “higher” considerations of values that each person has a right to be free from physical violence and has a right to go about their business unimpeded, despite…	/r/MensRights	23/02/23 08:03 AM
20	Just had the most unbelievable argument at work. “Opinions can’t be wrong” “In my opinion the world is shaped like a banana” Check mate to her logic. Opinions can absolutely be wrong, and this modern idea that anything motivated by feelings, emotions, beliefs or the like is beyond the scrutiny of truth seeking is laughable. After all, if such a woman was met with a guy saying “in my opinion women shouldn’t be allowed an opinion on anything regarding what men can or can’t do” she’d probably tell him he is wrong rather than just disagreeing with…	/r/MensRights	21/02/23 04:30 PM
2	this is being taught at my high-school. I guess because my comment could be seen as not advocating for men’s rights. My point is there’s little point arming yourself with data and facts against an opponent who has shown on numerous occasions they don’t care for them so long as they’re about a topic they don’t care for. We already have the data on male suicide, male achievement (or not) in further education etc. if nobody is being done when this data is already published, then I don’t understand how people think it’s merely a case of d…	/r/MensRights	21/02/23 04:25 PM
0	this is being taught at my high-school. Do not go at this with a “what about men getting abused by women?” Angle. Just don’t. We here all know it exists and the prevalence and people like this teacher don’t care. They don’t give a toss. It’s just seen as a man moaning about “what about men” and because straight men are the punching bag group it doesn’t matter what they think. The way you go about this is force them into a progressive reboot cycle by saying the language of the assignment appears to exclude the possibility of gay male c…	/r/MensRights	21/02/23 07:43 AM
8	For When People Complain about the "Age Gap Double Standard" Leonardo Dicaprio is a really good example of the various double standards associated with feminism atm. You have him being slated for his dating preferences and also have articles pointing out how he hasn’t aged well and is “showing his age” which aren’t being met with backlash from the body positivity movement. And then you also have Madonna with her apparently “flawless ageing” (despite doing everything she can to fight ageing and thus confirming the idea that women need to alter themselves t…	/r/MensRights	18/02/23 08:32 AM
5	thoughts on feminism and how men are treated from a 15yr olds girls pov I’ve seen it said very well: onlyfans is fast money with slow problems. This is a big part of why there is such a push to try and “normalise” onlyfans and make it socially acceptable, because deep down I think women recognise that between two equal choices of picking to settle down with a woman who has worked a “regular” job, and one where she’s sold her sexuality for money, guys will pick the first woman. It’s all well and good making bank off OF and if a woman wants to do that, more power to h…	/r/MensRights	18/02/23 08:05 AM
4	Reported crimes with female victims have higher clearance rates than crimes with male victims, and reported female criminals are less likely to be arrested. There’s an old saying that goes with this which is something to the effect of “when a man commits a crime, it’s bad. When a woman commits a crime, it’s sad.” Attribution of malicious intent is much more freely given to men than women on the topic of crimes. Even with extremely heinous crimes like CSA or murder, there’s always still some angle of “but were it not for this, she probably wouldn’t have.” Usually directed at a male partner. When men commit said crimes, explanations often don’t look m…	/r/MensRights	16/02/23 07:49 AM
12	There Are Two Markets This is the thing, it doesn’t have to make sense, it just is. Throughout history, strongly, men have been socialised to value being chaste in women. This is a combination of social factors but also it makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint; if a man knows a woman isn’t having / has had sex with many/any except him, he knows that future offspring are more likely to be his. Due to the man typically playing a provider role historically (and it still being pushed currently) the consequences of …	/r/MensRights	15/02/23 08:38 AM
6	Interesting questions - ever thought about it? I think perhaps the best example of societally approved body shaming that currently does the rounds are the terms “big/small dick energy” being used as either a positive or negative descriptor. Whether you apply it to a man or woman, it inevitably relies on the notion that having a certain size member is either a bad or a good thing, and thus falls under the scope of body shaming. Using the detached term “energy” doesn’t excuse it. Some may try to argue “it’s not the same as saying you’re a pers…	/r/MensRights	14/02/23 08:20 PM
-2	Discrimination in the housing market This is a difficult topic because legislating that you cannot discriminate on this would affect the freedom of the landlord to rent their property as they see fit, which is a pretty large infringement of their freedom. It sucks that the bias exists but at the end of the day this is their private property that they have paid for and how they use it is entirely up to them. Telling people “you must rent equally” or meet some kind of quota over time creates a really bad precedent and would have land…	/r/MensRights	14/02/23 08:16 PM
1	Leaving this subreddit. And additionally there’s the issue of “seeking validation” typically occurs through societally approved channels, which arguably will fail, because as said, when men attempt to draw attention to “male issues” even in a peaceful manner; they’re either denied the space or time to do it, or it’s ridiculed/interpreted as some kind of weird sexist attack on women, despite having nothing to do with them whatsoever. That or the issue is shut down as “a problem of mans own making” therefore no action is…	/r/MensRights	14/02/23 08:12 PM
3	Leaving this subreddit. People rant in places like this because there is nowhere else communal for men to rant without their concerns being talked over, ridiculed or turned into a “but what about women” question. Which is ironic considering the #notallmen stuff that was and still is huge in feminist circles. For example you try to open a conversation about men not having DV refuges, despite being victims of DV, and suddenly you’re faced with a conversation about DV is more violent against women, or prevalent, or whatev…	/r/MensRights	14/02/23 07:02 PM
6	How do we start to analyze Male Suicide if men are not studying mental healthcare degrees? You have the same issue in early years education like primary and even secondary in the UK. You have an observation that the grades of boys have been routinely falling behind girls for years now. And additionally you also have the observation that a vast majority of the professionals involved in the curriculum design and philosophy are female. And for some reason nobody seems to think the two might be correlated. Many of the ways that boys generally learn effectively (the tone of competition, pr…	/r/MensRights	14/02/23 11:59 AM
2	Transman culture shock? A lot of the posts here have covered a slew of reasons. But in essence you can condense their points into a simple one: Get ready to be determined principally by your utility, rather than your dignity as a human. How much work you do, how much goods you create, how and what you do, for who; all of these are determinants of your judged worth as a man. You will no longer have the luxury of merely “being” and that being enough. The concept of “I’m just living my truth” etc, doesn’t fly for men. If …	/r/MensRights	13/02/23 04:29 PM
1	My thoughts on the Internet retards bullying Leo and His supposed girlfriend Men are generally attracted to beauty and youth as it’s a symbol for fertility (even if the man don’t want kids it is how evolutionary biology has done us over). Men are also attracted to loyalty and someone who can emotionally invest in them. So even if you have a gorgeous 40 year old woman, compared to a gorgeous 20 year old, she loses out. This isn’t something you can make someone who isn’t a straight man understand. Regarding the loyalty and emotional investment; a woman who has more years o…	/r/MensRights	11/02/23 07:07 PM