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Who has time for more than a few hobbies? I hardly have enough time for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:53 PM
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Going to a party and doing the dishes while ignoring everyone is based beyond belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 11:30 AM
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One of the best troll posts I’ve seen in a while, and a genuinely misogynistic one at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:05 PM
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What good would taking him to the doctor do? Unless he’s younger than 15 or so, he’s stuck with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:50 AM
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Not every evo-psych claim is unfalsifiable. To be honest, every human behavior is a product of evolution, because everything about human beings, and every other living thing, is a product of evolution. We do what we do because of evolution, and evolution alone. Culture, and it’s influence on our behavior, is a product evolution. Your desire to make this post is a product of evolution. To claim that human behaviors, of any kind, are exclusively products of culture flies in the face of reason. Cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 02:17 AM
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It’s his girth that’s well below average in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:41 PM
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4 inch girth is like 5th percentile at most. Definitely not average.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 02:41 PM
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The population of men and women is roughly equal, but the dating pool size is not. Women drop out of the dating pool as they age at a much faster rate than men. Women over 60 are just as likely to be single as young men. If men date down in age by a few years, this causes a cascading effect where young men have no one to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 12:28 PM
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Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:15 AM
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Yeah, that’s why the female members of the audience were always howling when Stefan walked out of the machine. Come on, man. Swallow the Urkel pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:14 AM
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I hate how modernity has robbed vows and oaths of their significance and power. These days, your happiness and wellbeing is considered to be of paramount importance, and if the vow you took interferes with your little joy-quest, your words are to be discarded like the obsolete consumer products they actually are. This is utilitarianism in it’s most naked hedonism. It suggests that there is nothing greater than man and, even worse, that there is nothing great within man. Nothing above you, and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 11:26 AM
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To be fair, that particular passage is an admonition for both husband and wife to not stop sleeping together except for short periods decided by mutual consent. “Do not deprive each other” the passage goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 11:09 AM
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If by fighting you mean that women were able to convince men to include them in the franchise, then yes, women fought for their rights. It never involved the use of force in the same way it did for men, because that particular aspect of power is mostly unavailable to women. When they exercise overt force, it’s typically through men (unless the targets are other women or children).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 10:47 AM
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Seriously, I think looking at humans as though you’re an alien is probably a good exercise for getting a better understanding of people. However, being an actual alien may not lend itself well to that end.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 05:56 PM
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I don’t see how we could know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 02:24 PM
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I’ll be 36 in a few days. Women between 18-25 are most attractive to me, but I would never date that young at my age (if I was single).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 02:04 PM
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It’s pretty hard to be bad at sex. That’s like being bad at eating or shitting. What’s more likely is that women have a hard time finding men they’re attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:46 PM
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Yep. When they see a woman with you, they come out of the woodwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:43 PM
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There was a study that found that women will find the same man more attractive if he’s wearing a wedding ring than if he’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:43 PM
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My wife has two frogs. She spends less than 30 minutes a day caring for them. Pets are not kids. Lol just lol at this sub sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 10:46 AM
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The supply of tall men is far exceeded by the demand for them, so most women end up compromising eventually. They date not-tall men because they have to, not because they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 10:30 AM
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I would argue that most sex is pity sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 10:36 AM
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Older philosophers like Nietzche and Schopenhauer (especially Schopenhauer) say this pretty explicitly and it’s treated by them as common knowledge among men. Modern men are just delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 10:16 PM
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Could this due to the fact that those men make up the majority of men, and thereby receive the majority of messages?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 05:19 PM
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I agree. I’ve said before that I think “responsive desire” is just a result of women not being all that attracted to their partners. I also think it’s why women’s sexual desire drops off after marriage. Watch responsive desire magically transform into spontaneous desire the second an attractive man walks into the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 05:14 PM
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Top 20% is every guy that’s not fat and isn’t short.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:11 PM
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I think it depends on where you live. Here in WV, almost all couples I see under 40 are fit, tall men with obese women. Fat men are alone. Since intelligence is strongly correlated with having a healthy body weight, fit women get college degrees and move out of state. In public, the ratio of men:women I see is about 3:1. Edit: this applies to the under 40 crowd. Overall there are more women than men in WV, but this skews to older women. In one WV county, there are 151 men for every 100 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 08:20 PM
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You kidding? It’s a trope for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 05:41 PM
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Incidentally, I have heard accusations about Americans “colonizing” Western European countries. At this point, that kind of language is used habitually and without any thought as to whether it makes contextual sense. Americans are perennial “colonizers” in the minds of many.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 10:25 AM
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When women say this, I think they're assuming men's orgasms are as pleasurable as theirs. Men have more orgasms, but they are shorter and less intense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:17 AM
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I was thinking this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 01:21 AM
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This question was ostensibly submitted by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:13 AM
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I’ve never been able to get women to understand that men are duty-driven creatures. My wife will ask me why I do X when I don’t benefit from doing X, or at least why I don’t reconsider my reasoning for doing X. There is no reason beyond obligation. Almost everything I do that isn’t trivial is done to satisfy some cosmic fucking law that I’m duty-bound and obliged to heed. It’s not my place to question or alter those obligations. My job is to grab a tiny piece of this chaotic universe and fucking…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:11 AM
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Well, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:46 PM
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According to Porn Hub analytics, women are far more likely to search for big dick porn than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:57 PM
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I’ve been saying for a couple of years now that we need to move away from marriage, family, and relationships as the default and start teaching young boys how to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:38 AM
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There have been studies that seem to show that women are actively attracted to dark triad traits in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:48 AM
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Funny, isn’t it? Seems like the smaller and less intimidating a guy is, the more they’re concerned about “safety”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 10:59 AM
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wut
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:31 PM
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As a man, I’ve never not had to finish my own self off. That’s fine. But it would be nice to not always be expected to take responsibility for both my orgasm and hers. However, it should be noted that as my circumcision was quite “comprehensive” (lost my frenulum and ridged bands as well), getting me off is no easy task. BJs and HJs don’t do anything for me. Vaginal intercourse is a bit better, but usually doesn’t get me anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 01:02 PM
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I meant that they had to go without the satisfaction of knowing that their women desired them sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:23 PM
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Yep. Just about everyone has “tells” when they’re attracted to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:13 PM
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Only a tiny minority of men elicit genuine sexual interest from women, in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:38 PM
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Even when a woman is shy or introverted, it’s usually obvious. Even the relatively subtle changes in behavior from the quiet types are hard miss. The way I’ve seen women behave around extremely attractive men suggests to me that only a tiny minority of men are genuinely physically attractive to women. Women respond to such men in ways that they never responded to their boyfriends or husbands. I’ve seen married women flirt, grope, and just generally sexually harass good looking dudes right there …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:51 PM
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He can’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 02:36 PM
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You’re numbers are wrong. As of 2021, median male salary is ~50k. Median female is ~37k.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 02:09 PM
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Picky AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:43 AM
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There was an article the other day on the NY Post, a conservative outlet, all but glorifying women who cheat on their husbands. Women cheating is being normalized in a way men cheating never was. In the past, people might have said that it was normal for men to cheat, but they were still considered scumbags. Cheating women are being portrayed as heroic and empowered.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 10:05 AM
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Sounds like me and my wife. She places a far greater value on comfort than I do, though I must admit it is nice to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:50 PM
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Women really do bring something essential that makes a house a home. I don’t what what it is. Like you said, it’s simply something I don’t have access to. I can contentedly live in a damn dungeon, but my wife is some kind of feng shui geomancer and can arrange a living space in such a way that’s nothing less than art.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 01:19 AM
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I agree, actually. This is one of the few subs where intelligent debate occurs because dissenting opinions get censored everywhere else. I got 70-something downvotes in one of the feminist subs for arguing that the average penis size in the West was not, in fact, 4.2 inches.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 11:37 PM
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The absolute state of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:03 PM
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lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:37 PM
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A pattern I’ve noticed on Reddit: If a guy says that he’s having dating troubles and claims to not be ugly, people will suggest that he is, in fact, below average. If a guy says that he’s having dating troubles because he’s ugly, that very same crowd will say it has nothing to do with him being ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:17 PM
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A pattern I’ve noticed on Reddit: If a guy says that he’s having dating troubles and claims to not be ugly, people will suggest that he is, in fact, below average. If a guy says that he’s having dating troubles because he’s ugly, that very same crowd will say it has nothing to do with him being ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:16 PM
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A pattern I’ve noticed on Reddit: If a guy says that he’s having dating troubles and claims to not be ugly, people will suggest that he is, in fact, below average. If a guy says that he’s having dating troubles because he’s ugly, that very same crowd will say it has nothing to do with him being ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:16 PM
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I have it on pretty good authority that the governments of countries with a birth rate below the replacement rate are extremely threatened by the prospect of male birth control. From what I’ve been told, the most popular idea that’s being floated right now is to frame male birth control as dangerous to women’s rights. The narrative they’re crafting is something like this: Male birth control will give men the power to control when and if women have children. This limits women’s freedom, and is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:21 PM
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There really is a suspicious resistance to paternity testing, isn’t there?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:03 PM
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No problem man. This is the internet. Typos abound, especially when posting comments via smartphone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:45 PM
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The inequality here is inherent to the different biology between men and women. There will never be a way for men to opt-out of paternity beyond just never having children. Any man who produces offspring will, and should always be, fully responsible for that child.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:43 PM
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No, it’s not because you missed the hyphen. You got the word wrong too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:40 PM
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When marriage was first instituted, women were damn near kept under lock and key. Men could be almost fully assured that paternity fraud, their greatest reproductive threat, was mitigated. It also served to create social stability. The reproductive interests of men and women are naturally at odds with each other. Furthering the sexual interests of one will necessarily hamper the sexual interests of the other. An environment where monogamy and social restrictions on women are strictly enforced is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 06:28 PM
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It’s not a perfect analogy, I admit. I never claimed that my wife cares deeply about me. I said that she loves me. There are degrees of love and affection. She doesn’t love me enough to give her life for me, and I don’t expect that. She does still love me, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 06:15 PM
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Yep. That’s what I’ve read as well. The majority of women in committed relationships experience a significant drop in sexual desire over a fairly short period of time. Men experience no such drop. My speculation is this: at the beginning of the relationship the man is not yet fully committed. Since securing stable commitment and provision from this man is the woman’s goal, she will be free with her sexual attention (she’ll experience this as genuine desire for him). Once the man gives sufficient…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:20 PM
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LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:40 PM
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I believe marriage was originally instituted by men to restrict women’s sexual behavior and help guarantee paternity. It’s women, not men, who get bored with monogamy. The most promiscuous individuals are men, but the average women is noticeably more sexually adventurous than the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:37 PM
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Sure. I love my country, but I’m not sure if I’m willing to die for it. As the man in the relationship, that kind of selflessness falls on me and me alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:28 PM
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It doesn’t have to be anyone’s fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:44 PM
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Given the quality of your posts, the communication failure here is entirely yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 02:16 PM
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When I was single, I would have told people at the time that I was single by choice. That wasn’t true. I wanted a relationship, but felt ashamed of not being able to get one. If I had to guess, that’s what’s going on with the ‘single-by-choice’ claim. Most young men are NEVER single by choice, that’s just a post-hoc rationalization to protect the ego. I’m not sure what explains the disparity between men and women, but I agree it’s probably not due to cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 12:16 PM
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It may seem odd, but here is the data from Pew Research: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ If someone is lying, it is a hell of a lot of someones.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 12:07 PM
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I don’t think a lack of dating success necessarily makes someone an incel, unless we’re prepared to call the majority of men under 30 incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:56 AM
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In the US, men under 50 are much more likely to be single than women under 50. It shouldn’t be surprising to see that reflected here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:55 AM
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True. Contrary to common perception, tall men are more likely to be physically aggressive. I can link the study, but people tend to respond angrily when I back up my claims with actual data.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 10:01 PM
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Social status predicts sexual success, at least in China. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00265-022-03209-2
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:20 PM
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This has been my observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:02 PM
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Is it just me, or does option 2 seem not that bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:02 PM
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Is it just me, or does option 2 seem to not be all bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:01 PM
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The statistics bear this out. The majority of CEOs are over 6 ft, but men that height are a minority among the general population. In my anecdotal experience, the higher up in the food chain they were, the taller men tended to be. By that I mean that tall men made up a greater and greater percentage of the sample as hierarchical status increased.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:47 PM
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They pretty much already do exclude short men from leadership pretty frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 08:24 AM
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I’ve gotten the impression from women that I know, including my wife, that women generally would prefer an attractive 35 year old to an attractive 25 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 12:17 AM
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My wife and I have agreed that she will run if I’m ever in an altercation, even if she thinks she can help.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 12:49 PM
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I’m not the guy you were responding to, but in my case, yes. I’ve told my wife to just run if we’re ever in danger, even if she thinks she can help. She has no problem with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 12:40 PM
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True. If the man is attractive enough, women turn into men and all the creepy, sexually aggressive behavior that comes with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 12:35 PM
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I saw a thread a while back (not on PPD) where women were asked what they would look like if they were a man. Not what they wanted to look like, but what their male analog would look like. Almost ALL of them claimed they'd be over 6 feet tall, handsome, with a full head of hair. Delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 11:30 PM
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That’s fair. You’re wrong about what you said, but you’re free to be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:14 PM
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The main opposition to male birth control that I hear from women is that men will be able to withhold children from women who want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:17 PM
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Not this stupid talking point again. What you’ve said just isn’t true. Male birth control participants have lower drop out rate than women despite more severe symptoms. https://www.thecut.com/2016/11/the-real-reason-the-male-birth-control-study-was-halted.html
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:15 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:06 PM
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Single women actually outearn single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 12:32 PM
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All emotions are products of evolution. They wouldn’t exist otherwise .
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 11:56 AM
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I’m extremely high in Openness - as high as 99th percentile according to some inventories - and I’m constantly modulating my tendency to speculate on everything. Sometimes I’ll be having a conversation and speaking on a speculative subject as though it wasn’t, and it confuses people. I also struggle to control my tendency to go off on a tangent during conversation. “These two disparate and seemingly unrelated subjects are germane. Just trust me!”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:00 PM
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Jealousy and promiscuity aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact, it would make sense for an animal to guard sexual access to its mate while simultaneously engaging in illicit sexual activity itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 09:23 AM
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Humans evolved to mate guard. Some people may engage in evolutionarily novel behavior, but if those behaviors aren’t selected for, you won’t find them to be common in the population. The best and most parsimonious answer is that sexual jealousy increases reproductive success.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 06:06 PM
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I understood this comment just enough to get a chuckle out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 06:03 PM
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True. I learned that power structures exist primarily to serve the interests of those in power. There’s a pervasive attitude that if we just put the right people in charge -that, essentially, there is a subset of elite humans who are better suited for power than others- then we’ll all be liberated from the corruption and abuse that we see plaguing our governments and institutions. I think this is misguided. It’s not the people that are the problem, it’s the power made available to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 10:35 PM
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I was raised in purity culture as well. Interestingly, my experiences were the exact opposite. Teenage girls had tremendous latitude in expressing their sexual desires (talking about who and what they found attractive, etc) while we boys were very hesitant to voice similar desires. I remember one incident where the youth groups of various churches had come together for a kind of church camp. I can’t quite remember what it was. Anyway, we were all gathered together in an assembly, the the adult s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 09:47 PM
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It’s possible for the majority of men to be below average attractiveness in a non-normalized distribution. For example, most people in the US have incomes below the average incomes because the super-wealthy throw off the average. Some studies have also shown that the majority of men are of below average penis girth, interestingly. What people usually mean by average is median. It’s impossible for the majority of anything to be below its median.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 02:01 PM
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I’ve noticed this in every social setting I’ve ever been in. Men almost never talk openly about the women they’re attracted to. I think we’re all afraid to come across as predatory. Women will talk all day about who they like, what they like, and how they like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:21 PM
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Evolution favored certain traits in women more than it favored those traits in men, and vise versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:00 PM
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Is there a link on this subject? I’m interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:18 PM
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I unironically agree. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 11:16 PM
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Male disposability is a pillar of civilization. It’s never going away.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:43 PM
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Actually, women’s in-group bias is 4.5 times stronger than men’s. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15491274/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:40 PM
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Pre-Christian Europe was far worse for women than post-Christian Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:51 AM
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People who made it past childhood typically lived into their 60s and 70s on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:00 PM
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I’m my experience, women sleep more than men. I would say that my wife averages about 5 hours of sleep more than me per week, so that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 12:44 PM
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A simple fact of life: conceding that you have an advantage is the first step in losing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 12:46 AM
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This probably doesn’t mean much coming from an internet stranger, but you have my sympathy. I spent long periods of my life unhappily single and I know how lonely and isolating it can be. It’s easy to slip into a place where you feel defective and unlovable. Please don’t give up hope. I know it’s hard. I was 30 when I met my now wife. It can happen for you too, even if the prospects are few right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 12:38 AM
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I experience very little physical pleasure during sex. This is true for many men, from what I’ve heard read. If sex was only about physical pleasure, I would never have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 05:16 PM
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Sadistic tendencies, most likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:21 PM
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Hmm. Maybe you’re flair is right and I’m wrong on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:45 PM
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I think both men and women fail to realize that there is a difference between a man being sexually attractive and a man being an attractive prospect for a relationship. The first type of man is extremely rare. The second type of man is relatively common.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:15 PM
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How is men watching porn any different than you reading erotica? They both warp perceptions and objectify and dehumanize people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:35 PM
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If this person is a troll, she’s dedicated and consistent like no other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:16 AM
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Of course they can. This isn’t a question of capability, but of incentive. Civilization is a product of the male drive to procreate. The fact that women could have done the same is irrelevant because they didn’t do the same. Also, in the past at least, there were many physically demanding tasks that women simply couldn’t perform. Even now, I doubt many women would be willing to clean a power plant’s coal hopper, even if they were physically able to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:18 PM
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I agree with you. Social constructs form around biological imperatives and reflect them. They don’t arise ex nihilo like the constructivists think.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:08 PM
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That’s not what he means. He means that civilization exists because men are horny, and it’s continued existence is predicated on men buying into the system because they believe they will secure mating opportunities thereby. Women buying their own stuff and paying their owns bills doesn’t matter if there’s no electricity and no food.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:04 PM
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He said female womEn, with an ‘e’.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:24 PM
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They did a study once to see if height was correlated with penis size. It was. In fact, height was as strongly correlated to penis size as it was to shoe size. Tall men are as likely to have a bigger than average penis as they are to have bigger than average feet. I’ve seen women’s anecdotes line up with this. A lot of people don’t like that idea a man’s penis sized can often be accurately guessed by other visible bodily features, but there are several independent physical attributes associated …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:22 PM
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It finds purchase with my experiences for the most part. I’m average or below in all the ways that matter, and love and relationships have always been hard-won.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:42 PM
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17 on masculine advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:00 AM
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Society being honest with men would involve teaching boys about male disposability and how civilization depends on that disposability to function. Society being honest with men runs counter to the interests and goals of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 01:36 PM
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Well, sure. All things being equal, 6’2” is superior to 5’7”. It’s essential for men to come to know their place in the hierarchy, and they can’t be happy or at peace with themselves until they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:15 AM
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You'd be disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:37 AM
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I probably overstated my case, but it doesn’t take a lot of imagination to come to the conclusion that the sex that has significantly less physical power will evolve to compensate for that by being clever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 07:08 PM
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This is something I often forget as a man, and I’m not a big guy at all, so I should be (and probably am) more sensitive to women’s predicament on this issue. If you’re a 50th percentile woman, it’s actually 75% of the population that’s bigger and stronger than you: all of the men, and half the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 01:26 PM
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I think there’s a difference between aesthetics and sexual attractiveness. Women are more sexually attractive than men, not because of the way they look, but because they’re women. Woman has inherent sexual value that man does not. A woman’s looks can boost her desirability, but all else being equal, any given woman starts with more desirability than any given man. I’ve said before that an alien race that shared our opinions on aesthetics would find men more beautiful than women, just as we find…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 10:32 AM
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I remember a clip where he said something like this: when someone rejects you as a sexual partner, what they’re effectively saying is that your genes aren’t good enough to pass along to the next generation. I’ll be damned if he’s not right. What frustrates a lot of us men is that we know that women really are our keenest evaluators, and on some level we also know that on some level, women’a evaluations of us are correct. If women reproduce with tall, wealthy, assertive, handsome men, then it’s b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:59 AM
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I think, for the most part, that women are justified when they behave in ways that men tend complain about. I think they evolved certain behaviors as a way of protecting themselves from men, and even exercising some control over them. While it may be true that women are often dissimulative and even manipulative, I think they’re simply using the tools nature gave them in order to protect themselves and get on in the world. Women who had a tendency to tell men the untempered truth, have, historica…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:48 AM
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As a rule, feminists support anything that advantages women and oppose anything that doesn’t. Decreasing the ‘supply’ of sex gives women more societal leverage and power, so most women (not just feminists) are opposed to sex work. It’s also why there’s such widespread hate among women for porn, and in fact, it is women that mostly engage in slut shaming of other women. It’s simply in women’s best interest to limit how easily and cheaply men can access sexual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 09:37 AM
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According to the study, men also judge women’s infidelity a little less harshly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:43 AM
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They did do the study for men. Men also viewed female infidelity less harshly, though the gap was smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:27 AM
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I suspect I am an outlier. I think most men - most people - are naturally going to be driven to maximize sensation during sex. I’ve always been a little more self-aware. I’m opposed to routine infant circumcision as well. I think people in the US, especially men, are emotion locked on the issue. Also, people get upset when you compare it to FGM. Circumcision varies in form and severity just as FGM does. FGM probably is a more severe practice overall, and is typically not done by professionals in…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:47 AM
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As a circumcised man, I can almost always make my wife cum from penetration, but only if I completely ignore my own satisfaction. My glans has no almost sensation at all (it’s less sensitive than my arm, lmao) and my frenulum and ridged bands are removed (the nerves in the clitoris in women are located in the frenulum in men). There’s one tiny spot on my penis, where the frenulum used to be, that has a little bit of sensation. This location is not easily stimulated during PIV. For me, sex is mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 09:58 AM
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I have trouble believing it too. Men cry 1.3 times a month, on average? I once went 12 years without crying. But, like you said, data is data.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 10:31 AM
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I don’t think it’s fair for your partner or yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:36 PM
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“ur”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 04:48 PM
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Yes, by definition. Only 20% of men can be in the top 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 04:12 PM
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No matter where you live in the US, men 6’3” and over are exceedingly rare. There is variance in average height by region, but it’s never more than an inch or so. You’re likely just overestimating height. Not your fault, since men lie about height so often.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:26 AM
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My notion is that the men on Reddit are probably more representative of the typical man than the women on Reddit are of the typical woman. Participation in online forums like this is likely something that men have a stronger inclination for than women. The fact that Reddit is male dominated supports this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:47 PM
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You’re misunderstanding his point. People latch on to different numbers, and the numbers people latch onto is different depending on the unit of measure they use. People like round numbers. The actual height is of secondary importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 03:21 PM
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I think women do most of the social/domestic tasks, and that this often goes unappreciated. I know my wife does things around the house that I don’t even notice. I make an effort to show her appreciation and support her when she needs it. I’m glad that there is a discourse on the emotional labor that women do, and an effort to recognize it’s value. I don’t want this to come across as a ‘whataboutism’, but I think men do a lot of emotional labor too, which often goes unrecognized. When my dad die…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:16 PM
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I think these kinds of relationships are disrespectful to the alienated spouse, at best. I’d definitely consider it to be a form of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 10:17 AM
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Men’s libidos do decrease with age, even rather significantly. However, it’s the not the stark hormonal event that menopause is. Young women are more likely to be in a relationship than young men, by quite a large margin. Men under 30 can’t find relationships because there are no relationships to find. I’m not sure I buy the notion that women are taking care of men en mass, except maybe in cases of poor health for the man. I just don’t see where men are these bumbling, incompetent morons who can…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:27 PM
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Because that’s what the data suggests. 71% of women over 65 that were single said they weren’t looking for a relationship. The effect that menopause has on libido is a pretty well established fact. It’s the most parsimonious answer. The point in making is that the number of men in the dating pool is greater than the number of women in the dating pool. That’s why young men struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:07 PM
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I’d say 60% of the people on this sub are bananas.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:43 PM
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Has the scientific consensus on that changed? To be fair, it’s been years since I heard that and it may no longer reflect our understanding of genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:39 PM
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I agree. Everyone should have that right, especially young people. A lot of the time men will “brag” about an encounter with an older woman, but the truth is that they are often doing so to mentally escape from the shame and hurt they feel about it. There was always an undercurrent of shame when the men I spoke to talked about it, no matter how hard they tried to play it off as a pleasant experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:15 PM
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Yeah. Like I said, the reality is a lot more nuanced, and there’s a lot more to genetic relatedness than shared genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:13 PM
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I would say it happens pretty frequently too, and tends to fly under the radar as well. It’s not seen as offensive or as threatening as male objectification of women, so it tends to get a pass. A lot of the times it’s not even recognized as objectification. I’ve heard a a lot of anecdotes from strippers, both male and female, that women are a lot more aggressive and handsy than men. I suspect this may be because women are under a lot less sexual scrutiny than men are, at least in this respect. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:07 PM
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There is actually an argument to be made that men are more closely related to male chimps (and women to female chimps), than they are to women (and women to men). There is about a 2% difference between men and male chimps, and a 5% difference between men and women. You can thank the Y chromosome for that. Obviously, the reality is a lot more nuanced than that, but it is kind of a fun point to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:58 PM
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The fact that we’ve fallen all the way to the Chimp Pill is going to keep me up at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:36 PM
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Sure. The important take away is that single young men outnumber single young women because there aren’t enough single young women for single young men to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 05:54 PM
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I don’t see how what you posted contradicts what I said. If even 25% of women were dating men a few years older than them, that would be enough. I didn’t say every 20 year old was dating a 30 year old. The average age gap, according to what you posted, was 2.3 years. That’s enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:07 PM
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Fun fact: most female models are from Eastern Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 12:17 PM
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It’s not scarcity thinking, it’s just understanding the data. 51% of men 18-29 are single. 32% of women in the same age range are single. There’s no getting around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:15 AM
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This actually happened in Eastern Europe after WW2. A significant percentage of young men was wiped out. This left the surviving men to have the pick of the litter. I speculate that it’s why Eastern European women are so attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:54 AM
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Women outlive men, and slightly outnumber them in the general population. However, at younger ages, men slightly outnumber women. The data shows that there are significantly more single young men than single young women. Half of all single women are over the age of 65. Most young women are in relationships. Older men appear to be outcompeting young men for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:36 AM
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Yeah, that true. I don’t get what that has to do with what I said, but you’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:27 AM
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The data suggests that men and women both desire relationships, but that the pool of women is significantly smaller than the pool of men. Half of all single women are over the age of 65. They are likely post menopausal and not seeking a sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:08 AM
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Young women were more likely to be in a relationship than young men, by a pretty significant margin. Half of all single women were over the age of 65. I think the most parsimonious answer that the older women are post menopausal and less likely to pursue sexual relationships. Men remain libidinous for a longer life period, and so this creates a situation where a larger number of men is competing for a smaller number of women. What you said my be true in some cases, but a significant portion of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:00 AM
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The over all singlesness rate is 31% for both men and women. Women in their 20s are dating men in their 30s, and so on. There is a large pool of men competing for a small pool of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:56 AM
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Half of all the single women are over the age of 65. They’re single because they’re post-menopausal. Most young women are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:55 AM
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The rate of singleness is the same for men and women at 31%. It’s true that there are far more single young men than single young women, but that’s because men of all ages are competing for women under 50. Women over 50 have taken themselves out of the game. No Chad is necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:53 AM
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This research has been posted here several times. You have to look deeper into the data to see what’s really going on. Half of all women who are single are above the age of 65. Half. 71% of women over 40 who are single are not looking. Men are almost the opposite. In the 18 - 29 age range, 51% of men are single, while 32% of women are. Men are less likely to be single as they age. What’s likely happening here is that as women pass menopause, they find their libidos blunted and are less likely to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:50 AM
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Pew Research Center. There was actually a post about this a few weeks ago. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:03 PM
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51% of men between 20 and 30 are single. Only 27% of women in the same age range are single. Since the overall singleness rate between men and women is the same, this suggests women in their 20s are dating men who are not in their twenties. Maybe not men 10 - 15 years older, but 5-10 years older is reasonable to assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 08:57 PM
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Whatever behavioral traits that are accentuated by a androgenic hormonal profile and blunted by an estrogenic hormonal profile. I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:36 AM
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Why does there need to be a solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:18 AM
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There was a post on this sub not too long ago where the OP claimed that shorter men had an easier time attracting women than tall men did. That’s just one example. Also, I don’t see how my inability to convince you of something demonstrates that my point is nonsense. It’s possible to be unable to convince someone of a truthful claim. Let me pare down the original rhetoric. Since the first example seems so unbelievable, I’ll change it claiming that height doesn’t matter at all and has no impact o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 08:22 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 08:17 PM
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You don’t have to believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 08:14 PM
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People who prefer shorter men usually qualify that it’s their personal preference. I have seen people on this sub claim that women prefer shorter than average men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 08:11 PM
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Male disposability is a very real phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:20 PM
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Blue pill has no independent existence of its own, and functions as a foil for the red pill. I’ve noticed that whenever an outlandish, patently false red pill claim is made, the blue pill counter-claim is very often outlandish and absurd itself. It’s like it has to be equally ridiculous to counter the the red pill claim in order to bring the cosmos back into balance or something. Red pill: “Nothing matters more than height for men!” Blue pill: “Not true! Height means nothing. In fact, short men …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:20 PM
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I don’t know whether these demographics represent a burden to society or not, but I balk about at the term “useless” in reference to human beings. I don’t believe a person’s value is predicated on their utility to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 02:14 PM
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I agree with the gist of your comment, but unrelated members of the same sex are actually more closely related to each other than they are to opposite sex family members. In fact, the claim has been made the male humans and male chimps are more closely related to each other than they are to their respective female counterparts. While this is true if you only consider that total amount of shared DNA between them, there’s a more nuanced understanding of it. This is almost entirely due to the fact …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:52 PM
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Women do not have estrus. They have a menstrual cycle, which is very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:29 PM
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People have this notion that life’s gifts are distributed equitably like an attribute point system in a video game. The truth is that the good looking, tall, athletic Chad was the high school valedictorian, graduated from college summa cum laude, and now makes $500k a year. To make matters worse, he doesn’t even have to common decency to be an asshole. He’s a genuinely upstanding guy and a pillar of the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:57 AM
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This is one of those inescapable truths that we tend to recoil from. Power accrues power. Wealth accrues wealth. Knowledge accrues knowledge. People who win tend to never stop winning and those who lose tend to never stop losing. Nature loves to put all of its eggs into a single, exceptional basket. I’m all about maintaining an internal locus of control, but observation doesn’t lie: most winners are born winners and most losers are born losers. The outcome is rarely in doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 01:59 AM
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I’m not the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 02:29 PM
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He doesn’t seem nuts at all. He actually seems magnanimous to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 09:22 AM
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A guy being 5’5” is definitely not a non-issue. Dating aside, short men face discrimination in employment and social settings at well. It’s a well documented phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 09:21 AM
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This isn’t true. Being below average has nothing to do with being unhealthy. They don’t take men under a certain height because they can’t turn a profit on their donation. There’s no demand. In fact, they actually charge more for the sperm of taller men because the demand is so intense. Same goes for men with blue eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 02:16 AM
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These kinds of contrived scenarios with extreme options are useless for understanding anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 02:12 PM
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True. I’ve seen some that have 39 as the cutoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 01:49 PM
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I guess that’s possible. But it still probably wouldn’t be economically feasible since donors are expected to be able to provide for multiple women to be profitable. I’m not fully versed in sperm donation practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 01:44 PM
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Most sperm banks have a 5’ 8” minimum. Some have increased to 5’11” or 6’ flat. The reason they have this requirement is because it’s not profitable to secure and sell the sperm of shorter men. There’s no demand for it. There are also minimums for income and educational attainment. Sometimes they test the donor’s IQ. They also require you to provide a clean bill of health. Apparently, the sperm of tall, blue-eyed donors sell like hotcakes, so donors with their features actually get paid more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 01:39 PM
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My wife was shocked to discover that I was unable to rank women according to breast size (that is, I didn’t know who was bigger or smaller) because it’s just not something I think about. She assumed I’d be able to do that as easily as she was able to rank men according to height.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 11:42 AM
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There may be no female equivalent because men’s features are so easy to quantify: height, penis size, income. It seems to me that women’s features are a little less absolute and subject to less rigorous evaluation. Breast size is a notable exception, but men in general are mostly unconcerned about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 11:33 AM
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I find that when people have undesirable traits, other people find rationalizations to justify their native dislike of those features and the people who possess them. We can’t admit to ourselves that we don’t like ugly people because they repulse us, so we invent negative personality traits and assign them to those people. We feel a lot better when we can convince ourselves that we dislike someone because they’re assholes and not for something they can’t control. Short men are stereotyped as tem…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 11:29 AM
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I said most people, genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 12:55 PM
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Sex can be a lot of work for both parties. Most people over the age of 16 don’t want sex every day. It has nothing to do with how attractive someone finds her partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 12:46 PM
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It does make sense. That’s why it’s standard procedure. You’re inability to understand something has nothing to do with it’s actual validity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 12:44 PM
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Dude, there's a formula you can use to determine sample size. Ideal sample size for a population of 350 million is 385 for a confidence interval of 95%. If you want a confidence of 99% you need a sample size of 664. Here's a website: https://www.qualtrics.com/blog/calculating-sample-size/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 09:38 PM
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That’s right, it could be that women are divorcing men because they are poor caregivers. But we don’t know for sure, and it was poor judgement on the part of the researchers to omit that data.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 08:35 PM
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That doesn’t necessarily mean that mean are the ones insisting divorce. It could mean that, but we don’t know for sure. It could be that something is causing women to divorce their husbands when they get sick. We can’t know unless we look at who initiates divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 08:31 PM
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Nothing in the study indicated men were leaving their wives. They may have been, or their wives were leaving them. We don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 08:24 PM
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The study never said who initiated the divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 08:16 PM
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I didn’t. Someone else did. Also, by rule of thumb, “vast majority” means 75% or greater.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:20 PM
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This was very well put. There seems to be a need to create all these discrete, exclusive sexual identities. There’s a modern fascination with ensuring that everyone fits neatly into identitarian boxes, like every aspect of your identity and personality has to fit into this overarching meta-schematic of sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:05 PM
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I read the full study on that. It said risk of divorce increased, but I didn’t read anywhere that said that men were initiating the divorce. They didn’t seem to survey for that, which is an important omission. It’s entirely possible that they were, but women initiate most divorces in general. It’s possible that women found men to be poor caregivers or something like that, and initiated the divorce themselves. Still, the vast majority of married couples stayed together regardless of who was sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:39 PM
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Purdue University. I don’t know why you’re asking me, since you were the one who originally referenced the study. Also, you could have just clicked the link yourself. The corrected study found a weak correlation between divorce and wives developing heart problems, but not other illnesses. No causal association was found.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:04 PM
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The study wasn’t performed by Today.com. They were merely reporting on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 05:30 PM
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“The Royal Dutch Medical Association (KNMG) finds non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors to be in conflict with children's right to autonomy and physical integrity, and that there are good reasons for its legal prohibition, as exists for female genital mutilation: There is no convincing evidence that circumcision is useful or necessary in terms of prevention or hygiene. Partly in the light of the complications which can arise during or after circumcision, circumcision is not justifiable exc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 05:12 PM
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Non-medically necessary, non-religious circumcision is illegal in Norway and Australia in public hospitals. It’s legally dubious in other European countries and some are considering legislation that prohibits the practice for non-therapeutic reasons. Here: “The Royal Australasian College of Physicians (RACP) finds that routine infant circumcision is not warranted in Australia and New Zealand and that, since circumcision involves physical injury, physicians ought to raise and consider with parent…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 05:09 PM
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This is a long read, but it’s worth it if you have the time: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4364150/ Infant circumcision is illegal in some European countries and no major health organization recommends it (except maybe the CDC). My parents certainly believed they were making the right decision when they had me circumcised, but I would have preferred not to have been. Also, normal to have a foreskin, period. Males are born with one, so it’s reasonable to assume it has some adaptive…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:55 PM
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There’s a difference between caring for you child by agreeing to a necessary, life saving medical procedure and performing an unnecessary, cosmetic procedure because you don’t like the way his dick looks. By that reasoning, we should be okay with infant girls undergoing labiaplasty because dad thinks it looks better that way. Why not remove a child’s middle toe? He’ll be okay without it. Bodily integrity should apply even to those who cannot speak for themselves. We should assume that circumcisi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:54 PM
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There are only health benefits to circumcision when the foreskin is actually causing problems. Evolution provided men with foreskins for a reason. The moral calculus here is that someone, an infant who cannot advocate for himself, is having his genitals mutilated without any form of anesthesia and without the ability to refuse. This procedure is almost never performed out of medical necessity, and most of the world gets along with their foreskins just fine. The best research on the subject sugge…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:43 PM
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Erin Pizzey, the woman you mentioned who opened the first DV shelter for men, is giga-based and a champion of human rights in general. She received death threats from feminists (and the male DV shelter she opened in the UK received bomb threats). The threats got so bad that she had to leave the country. She is also banned from the women’s shelters she started. Her research concluded that most DV is reciprocal, and that most of the women in her shelters were equally or more prone to violence than…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:18 PM
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The simplest answer is usually the best one: men are more violent because, most likely, they evolved to be. Violent men were more successful in passing along their genes, and consequently many of their violent predilections, than less violent men were. History is full of violent, pastoral tribes eradicating the males belonging to less violent, agrarian tribes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 01:52 PM
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Nevertheless, the study was, in fact, retracted and is now considered invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 01:47 AM
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There have been a couple of surveys about this, and both reported that more women than men reported having been involved in FWB relationships. One also reported that women were more likely than men to say that their FWB relationships were strictly about sex. Here’s an article about one of them: https://globalnews.ca/news/3855260/why-friends-with-benefits-are-popular/ Not scientific, so take it with the usual sodium dosage. I’d be interested in data about casual sex encounters, generally. Obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 11:24 PM
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It was for dating, but I could be misremembering.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 09:46 PM
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I’ve seen a statistic that 70+% of breakups are initiated by women. It makes sense that men are more likely to take a breakup harder if they are the breakup-ee.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:51 PM
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I’ve taken the vaccine myself, but I’m sympathetic to people that have concerns about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 04:09 PM
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True. Suggesting that vaccines cause autism and having doubts about the efficacy/needfulness of Covid vaccines are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 04:05 PM
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This is an attitude that is pervasive among the “woke left”. Any denial of sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. is taken as evidence of its presence. They’ve constructed this system where it’s impossible to not be guilty of the things they accuse you of being guilty of.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:09 PM
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The problem I have with these kinds of claims is that they are completely immune to any counter-claims and or falsifiability. If I counter-claim that I display no sexist behavior and harbor no misogyny, there can always be some assertion that my behavior or attitudes, whether I like it or not, are in some way expressions of sexism or misogyny that are, conveniently, only visible to feminists. It's impossible for me to demonstrate that I am not a misogynist, since there yet remains some seemingly…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 10:36 PM
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I’ve had conversations with someone I know who has access to a database at one of these DNA testing companies. She said that around 20% of people who submit DNA along with their father are not the child of that man. Now, you have to consider that some of these people might be submitting DNA because of suspicions, but most people that use companies like this are doing it for genealogy or something else, not questions about paternity. She said that it’s kind of an open secret among the those in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:02 PM
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Considering your circumstances, I have a more charitable view of your cheating than I would of someone cheating on a loving spouse. It was he who first transgressed against your marriage by abusing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:54 PM
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A lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:41 PM
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Younger guys make a big deal about it because the obsession with height, at least to the degree that we see it now, didn't exist 15 years ago. I'm 35, and I've watched height become the feature that it is in real time. When I was in college, I never heard anyone talk about height. Now, that's all they talk about. Men's insecurities here didn't just fall out of the clear blue sky.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:47 AM
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There are actually a surprising number of redneck nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 07:41 PM
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I’ve never met a woman who isn’t concerned about whether a man is masculine or not, except on the internet. From what I’ve seen, masculinity is the prime metric by which women judge men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 05:06 PM
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True. Another obstacle is the tendency to view honest discussions about the subject as a form of apologia of violent or abusive behavior against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:10 AM
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I do t trust any study 100%. I did see one where a majority of women reported being aroused by violent sex acts while a majority of men did not. This was a response to consensual acts. Nonconsensual acts were overwhelmingly found unarousing by both men and women, though slightly more women than men reported being aroused by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:48 AM
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It’s actually more popular among women than it is among men (assuming we’re talking about pornography where violent acts are portrayed).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:27 AM
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I think most women that I’ve met share your sensibilities. One can subscribe to the idea that men and women ought to be equal under the law and enjoy equal suffrage in the franchise, but also that opposite-sex social dynamics can and do differ from same-sex social dynamics. Most women, in my experience, don’t want men to treat them like men. There are exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 12:23 PM
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I’m 35 and my wife is beautiful. So there’s at least one guy I know like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 02:51 AM
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It’s 100% not the point of the article. It’s not the tagline. The tagline nowhere suggests that’s why women aren’t dating. 50% of men reported abuse and harassment as well. Are we to take that to mean that men aren’t dating for that reason as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:08 AM
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Yes. That doesn’t mean that’s why some are not dating. The article never presents that as a choice. As I’ve repeatedly mentioned before, it’s entirely possible that some women are refusing to date to avoid harassment and abuse, and logical to assume that is case at least some of the time. However, the article never suggests this, but does suggest other reasons for not dating. Nevertheless, according to the study, most young people are either in a relationship or seeking one, regardless of gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:05 AM
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You’re right, I shouldn’t get peeved about it. Sometimes this sub makes me wonder if I’m the one who’s nuts. Heh.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:30 PM
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As I mentioned, it could very well be that a lot of women are refusing to date because they are avoiding abuse or harassment. It’s even logical to assume this is the case at least some of the time. I’m merely contesting that the study made no explicit claim to that effect, while it did offer other reason for not dating that had nothing to do with harassment (though I didn’t see where this was broken down by gender). Young people of all persuasions overwhelmingly are in, or seek to be in, relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:18 PM
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I saw on page 3 about women reporting sexual harassment, but nowhere did I see the article cite that as a reason for remaining single. It’s likely that could be a big reason, but the article never suggests such that I saw. I mentioned explicitly, multiple times, that the majority of people not seeking a relationship were older women. I talked specifically about the age disparity. Under the age of 40, the difference between men and women in looking/not looking is 6% She claimed that the researche…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 05:59 PM
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The trouble is that she’s claiming the article is saying things it does not say. I’ve read the article top to bottom, and nowhere did I find it to suggest women are unwilling to date because they feel unsafe. That may very well be the case, but the article does not make that claim as far as I’ve seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 05:28 PM
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What’s more likely to be going on is that there are 50 year old men with 45 year old women, 40 year old men with 35 year old women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 05:21 PM
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Can you quote from the article? I saw that stated nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 05:20 PM
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Okay, that does make more sense. Thanks for the clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 05:18 PM
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The research showed that young women (18-29) were more likely to be in a relationship than men of the same age. It also showed that most young people, both men and women, who were single were looking for a relationship. The only time the majority of women were single and not looking was when they were 40+. It’s reasonable to infer that this may be, in part, due to the fact that a large number of the women in this age group are post-menopausal and don’t strongly desire a sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:57 PM
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Below the age of 50, women were significantly less likely to be single than men. Among singles under 50, men were only slightly less likely to say they were not seeking one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:25 PM
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You realize there’s a second page, right? For reference: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/08/PSDT_08.19.20_dating.relationships-013.png?w=600 I should correct myself: the most of the single women in the 40+ group weren’t looking, not necessarily the 50+ group. There was only a 6% disparity in the 18-39 age group between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 01:45 PM
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I don’t get this. It’s much easier for women to masturbate more frequently than men. Masturbating more than once a day is painful. Also, it’s not like men experience more sensation than women do. In fact, I’ve read that it may be the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 12:04 PM
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I was referring to the fact that the majority of women who were single and not looking were over the age of 50. I wasn’t talking about young women. In the 18-39 age group, the difference in looking/not looking is 6%. That’s not huge. The majority of young people of both genders want relationships or are already in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 10:39 AM
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Question for women. ITT: men answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 01:30 AM
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“minimal: of a minimum amount, quantity, or degree; negligible.” The person I was responding to was using the term synonymously with negligible, which is not the case. The researchers themselves referred to the disparity as “significant”. That’s the opposite of negligible. Words mean things and we don’t just get to arbitrarily change them to suit ourselves. They also accused me of misrepresenting the data and were confusing the data themselves. And they called me an incel. Honestly, trying to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 01:05 AM
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It’s a lot easier than actually having to communicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:40 PM
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I’ve seen that too. In fact, I think there was essentially no way to distinguish between looks and personality at all. Then again, it is OKCupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:40 PM
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That too. I’ve see a lot of cases where a friend group of young women discover that the guys they’re seeing all have the same name or something like that. That’s anecdote, but it’s interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:05 PM
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:)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:58 PM
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True. I do wonder how age gaps factor into everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:56 PM
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That’s what the data showed as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:55 PM
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They had defined age categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:42 PM
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I wasn’t even talking about people who want to date, but about people who are actually single. In the 18-29 range, 51% of men are single while only 27% of women are. That’s what I was being called names over.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:27 PM
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I said that women who are no longer looking was because they were old. You said that they were also no longer looking because they were no longer looking, unless I misunderstood you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:21 PM
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Well, yeah. Saying that people who are no longer looking are no longer looking because they’re no longer looking is a tautology.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:06 PM
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Also, I realize that I was misunderstanding what you were talking about. I apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:41 PM
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Maybe it’s not what they claimed. But sex and love are very closely associated with each other, and I’m not sure we’re doing the subject justice if we treat them as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:38 PM
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Same here. Also not single. I was just curious because women were only more likely than men to be single after the age of 50, so it suggests that overall young women don’t want to be single (unless they’re in a relationship and don’t want to be).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:32 PM
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I mean, of course dating is about sex. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:29 PM
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Well, those aren’t comparable things. It’s true that, on average, straight men and women should show the exactly the same number of partners. However, when it comes to the singleness rates, it’s possible for women to share men or even vice versa, so disparities can exist there. There are a number of alternative explaination a for the disparity as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:27 PM
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Yes, I am. Please accept my apology.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:19 PM
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That is a table about the percentage of singles who wish to be single, not a table about those who are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:15 PM
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Of course I looked at the study. How else would I cite it? There is a 19% disparity in the 18-29 bracket and an 8% disparity in the 30-49 age bracket. Assuming these two age brackets are demographically similar with similar population sizes (a big assumption, granted) that’s a 13.5% disparity. Far from negligible.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:11 PM
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The only table I see has a 18-29 age bracket and a 30-49 age bracket. I see no 18-49 bracket unless you’re combining them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:07 PM
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The gap between men and women aged 18-29 was 19%. The gap in the 30-49 range was 8%. That’s not minimal by any means and the article states as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:04 PM
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I didn’t see that listed as a bracket. Maybe I missed it. What page is it on?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:57 PM
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In what way is a 19% disparity in the 18-29 bracket and an 8% disparity in the 30-49 bracket minimal?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:57 PM
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That’s another possibility I hadn’t considered. Maybe women see a relationship where men see a FWB situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:49 PM
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That is true. I have seen some things about GenZ being more career focused than previous generationsz
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:45 PM
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No, not necessarily that. But it does suggest either relationships with large age gaps are common or that a relatively small subset of men have multiple partners. I’m making an observation here, not a value judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:44 PM
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The study showed that women under the age of 50 were far less likely to be single than men in the same age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:37 PM
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I saw that. 65% of women and 50% of men isn’t parity, statistically, but it does suggest that men and women largely share similar experiences when it comes to harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:35 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:34 PM
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Women under the age of 50 are actually significantly less likely to be single than men in the same age cohort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:32 PM
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Since half of all single women are above the age of 65, it’s likely that they simply aren’t libidinous enough to pursue relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:30 PM
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How old are you, if you don’t mind me asking? Obviously, you don’t need to answer if you don’t want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:28 PM
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According to what OP linked, half of the women who are single are over the age of 65. Half of the men who are single are under the age of 30. There are far more single young men than young women, among whom singleness is relatively rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:27 PM
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It’s important to make a distinction when it comes to the demographic breakdown of what percentage of the population is single. Per the link in OP: 31% of both men and women are single. Half of all women who are single are over the age of 65. Half of all men who are single are under the age of 30. The only time men are less likely to be single than women is when they are older than 50. It’s entirely possible that most of the women who are single and not looking are that way because, frankly, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:21 PM
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A lot of people have that opinion. I did too, but some data I’ve seen shows that Gen Z is slightly shorter than millennials, who were the tallest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:58 PM
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Swedish men born in 1990 grew to 181.7 cm, or about 5’ 11.5”. https://www.thelocal.se/20181126/swedes-are-growing-taller-but-will-they-catch-up-to-scandi-neighbours/ I couldn’t find any data about cohorts younger than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:09 PM
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Living around wild animals in general is metal. Even the little ones like coyotes and raccoons are capable of things you’d never imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:53 PM
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I don’t like “revenge” shaming either. If something is wrong in principle, it’s wrong no matter what. Besides, it’s often the case that the targets of revenge shaming never engaged in any shaming themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:13 PM
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Did you know Narcissus was narcissistic? That Bacchus engaged in debauchery?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:11 PM
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It’s not easy, I’ll grant that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:05 PM
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The average man is Sweden is 180.46 cm. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-height-by-country
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:01 PM
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The number of times I’ve encountered comments that suggest women in general don’t like men or sex is funny. The women I’ve known in real life are horny, which is exactly what you’d expect from a creature that evolved to reproduce sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:58 PM
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I try to always treat others the way I would want to be treated by them, even when I know they would not do the same for me. I often fail, but I aspire to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:48 PM
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It’s funny. Most of the people online I’ve encountered who resist the notion that women usually prefer bigger have been women. Sometimes it’s because they prefer smaller and are projecting that onto other women, but I think a lot of the time it’s because they’re trying to curate the way men view female sexuality. I think they see such preferences as crass and unenlightened, and don’t want to admit that women’s preferences usually are just as “shallow” as men’s. It’s actually an extremely sex-neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:47 PM
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Men, like women, are not a monolith. Some men engage in that behavior and some men don’t. A lot of men, including me, have had problems with body shaming regardless who it’s directed against. No one who opposes body shaming in principle supports body shaming women. I believe I have a moral responsibility to behave rightly even if other are not doing so, regardless of the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:41 PM
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If body shaming is wrong in principle, then that is reason enough not to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:30 PM
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There have been several studies on how penis size and perceived penis size affect self esteem an confidence in men. I’ll link an article that references a few of them: https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/articles/penis-size-self-esteem-size-does-matter/ A Google search reveals more. Your anecdote about the extremely large guy is unsurprising. It would make sense that having a penis so large that it’s useless would effect self esteem. Most men with big penises aren’t THAT big.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:29 PM
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That’s true, and I’ve seen research to that effect. The popular notion of confidence seems to be that it is something that emerges ex nihilo from within, while the research suggests that it’s relationships with external, often immutable factors such as penis size, height, and facial attractiveness are inexorable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:11 PM
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I’ve never heard women speak positively about small penises outside of Reddit, and even then there is a selective skew because positive opinions about small penises are typically being solicited. Anyone who has been a fly on the wall when women talk about dicks knows the truth. I’ve been told that I must have a big dick because of my calm, quiet demeanor, when in reality it’s so marginally above average that it is, effectively, average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:06 PM
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There was actually a study done that showed that men with larger members are more confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:00 PM
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Regardless, the terms still imply that having a small penis is inherently bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:58 AM
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I’ve pointed out it people before that while men are more likely to be victims of violent crime, including crime where they are randomly targeted, I like my chances as a man better than I like them as a woman who is being attacked. That being said, men aren’t nearly as free to walk around at night as women seem to think. We’re still quite aware of potential dangers and behave in certain ways to minimize risk. It sucks that there is a tiny subset of the population preying upon the rest of us, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:58 PM
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Of course. That’s why I said ‘people’.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:29 AM
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Here’s an article about an interesting study that suggests unattractive people tend to overestimate their look, while the reverse is true for attractive people: https://bigthink.com/health/science-of-attraction/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:28 AM
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Micropenises are likely more common than 12 inch penises. It’s likely there isn’t a single functional 12 inch penis on earth. They tend to max out at around 8 inches unless the man has a medical issue. A penis is considered a macro penis at 7.5 inches and up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 08:31 PM
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I think this may be why happiness seems always out of reach. The pursuit of happiness, which I suppose we could simply call satiation, likely produces evolutionarily advantageous behavior. It’s doubtful that actually securing happiness would prove to be so adaptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:49 PM
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Alright: we’re all boundless beings of pure energy, without reproductive needs. Hell, without needs at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:44 PM
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Equity of what, exactly? I think it’s hard to map the idea of equity on to the dating scene in any coherent way. There are so many varied interests - many of them competing - that the notion of equity is simply not applicable. It’s not like a desire for financial equity, where everyone wants a single, easily identified thing in quantifiable amounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:36 PM
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You’re right. It’s important to distinguish between data collection and reporting trends as a business model. However, is the PornHub data really that hard to believe? I mean, independent research has shown that women are generally more interested in BDSM and rough sex than men are, and that while most women are aroused by consensual violence in porn, most men are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 02:30 PM
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Humans tend to overestimate their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 01:03 PM
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I think he meant something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:17 AM
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All human behavior is evolutionary in a certain sense, including our participation on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:15 AM
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I’m not going to say that there isn’t an argument to be made from that perspective. However, men also lose their family members.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:07 AM
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This was such an atrocious statement. The implication being that men dying is bad only because of how it affects women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:02 AM
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I was able to download the PDF from the link. They defined paraphilia broadly, and per the DSM-5: Fetishism, Voyeurism, Transvestism, Sadism, Masochism, and Pedophilia, etc. They assessed level of interest, but did not distinguish between sub clinical paraphilia and disordered paraphilia. They looked for any discrepancies between interest in certain paraphilias, and actual incidence in participation in those interests. They surveyed the general population and not people with known paraphiliac di…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:14 AM
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I’m a man, and I can’t fault anyone who ends up in an abusive relationship. I know from personal experience that the abuse can just fall out of the clear blue sky without warning one day. I also know what it’s like to feel trapped and alone in an abusive relationship, or what it means to hold out hope that things will get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 06:39 AM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355194430_Concordance_and_Discordance_between_Paraphilic_Interests_and_Behaviors_A_Follow-Up_Study
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:44 AM
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No, it’s not scientific. It’s just collected data. Of course, Pornhub could be bullshitting all of us for whatever reason. I acknowledge that possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:42 AM
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I disagree that those are BDSM 101 terms, and find it unlikely that men are making more specific searches than that. I would like to see a search comparison somewhere. A study by Joyal & Carpeinter in 2021 found that women were more interested in the sadism/maschocism dynamic than men were and more interested in fetishism overall, so the notion that women are more interested in BDSM is supported outside of of Pornhub data, and is frankly the most parsimonious conclusion that one could make about…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:33 AM
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Nothing in either of those links contradicts that statement. This link, however, supports it: https://www.pornhub.com/insights/bdsm Women are 86% more likely to search BDSM than men are. Note: link is SFW.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 05:05 AM
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I meant that the topics had remained of consistent based on data collected for years other than 2019 that I’ve seen. People’s preferences vary only slightly. Here’s one from 2017: https://www.menshealth.com/trending-news/a19546404/porn-women-like-most-pornhub-2017-year-end-data/ I did read my source. Nothing about what I’ve posted contradicts any claim I’ve made, that I can see.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:45 AM
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You’re right. Here’s an article from men’s health about the subject: https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a30171574/pornhub-year-in-review-2019/ Apparently Pornhub compiles this data every year, so frequency of search topics can vary depending on what’s in vogue. It still manages to remain fairly consistent from year to year.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:15 AM
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Yeah, I realized that after I posted it, to my embarrassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:10 AM
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I’ll make sure that I message you or something when I make the post. You’re one of the few people here that seem genuinely interested in evidence-based beliefs and you seem smart, so I value your input. Sometimes I can come across as more confident in an idea than I actually am. It’s my besetting sin. In truth, I’m not 100% confident that I actually exist. I have varying degrees confidence in my beliefs according to how much I think the belief is warranted. I’m a lot more confident that Einstein…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 04:07 AM
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Like I said, the subject deserves a long write up because I want to make sure I present the research honestly. I plan on making a post about the subject this weekend when I can devote the time it deserves. Then I’ll make sure you know about the post and you and the other members of the PPD intelligentsia can set me straight. Deal?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 03:39 AM
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That’s possible. Of course, I may be understanding it perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 03:28 AM
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There were several porn sites that I’ve seen, and they are all remarkably consistent with each other. Since their business model depends on the accuracy of the data they collect, it’s reasonable to assume that it’s representative of actual porn viewing preferences. Understand, also, that no polls and surveys were conducted. They were analyzing the searches of the visitors to their site. Something a lot of people don’t realize is that site hosts know a lot of details about their visitors, includi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 03:26 AM
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I’ve been thinking about making a post about this for a while, so I think I’ll get on that since people have expressed interest in it. I’d like to make a long post about it since I don’t want to misrepresent the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 03:19 AM
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That’s a possible explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 01:03 AM
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There’s evidence that unattractive women have more partners, more frequent sex, and more varied sex than attractive women. I was thinking about making a post about it. It’s called the Juggernaut Law.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:25 AM
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Finding men and women’s porn preferences is as simple as a google search. This is data presented from porn sites about the demographic breakdown of their visitors and what they search for. It isn’t going to have peer review and doesn’t need it. It’s just raw data, not science.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:24 AM
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It was a typo. That’s for pointing it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:22 AM
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Based on what I read, black students in general are more punished more severely for the same infractions, but black girls are more likely to be disciplined for things like dress code violations that white girls get away with. Boys don’t just face discrimination in discipline, though. They are given lower grades for work of objectively equal quality than their female peers. This may also be true for POC students, but I haven’t read any research to that effect. The main point is that the is pervas…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:21 AM
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https://fightthenewdrug.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/women-category-differeces-1.png There are actually several sources. You can google about it and there’s tons of interesting info.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 10:19 PM
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A good point as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 10:08 PM
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I find it surprising as well, but when you think about, most men are going to be naturally averse to pornography that features even consensual forms of violence against women. Few men find that very arousing. Women might not have any special predilection for it, but don’t have the natural aversion to it that men do. Think about it like this: most men have strong reservations about hitting a woman, while women do not. I think that might be at least partially what’s going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 10:00 PM
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According to this: https://fightthenewdrug.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/women-category-differeces-1.png Women search for hardcore twice as often as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 09:54 PM
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It’s not worth the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 07:39 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:15 PM
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I think men have the power to fix their problems on an individual level, but I also think any energy used on collective bargaining and social activism on behalf of men as men would be better employed elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 06:14 PM
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That’s not what I’m saying at all. People are less sympathetic to men than to women. That’s a fact. I’m saying that the evolutionary explaination for this make more sense to me than the political explanation does. Also, Taylor’s death was not captured on camera. Millions of people didn’t witness it. That makes a huge difference. It drove it home, made it personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:59 PM
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It wasn’t the fact that he was a man, but the fact that he was black, that generated the sympathy. Imagine if he was a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:46 PM
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That’s just an anecdote. I have plenty of anecdotes to the contrary. Research suggests men are better at cooperating to achieve an end, while women cooperate primarily to keep the peace. Edit: here’s one source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21910518/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:44 PM
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That’s a good point. It’s not a boat I’m in, but I suppose it is possible to be involuntarily celibate and married.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:32 PM
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Men actually cooperate quite well, but often in the context of competing against an out group.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:31 PM
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Here are the porn categories that are more searched for by women than by men: https://images.app.goo.gl/gASPVoA2KF1cq4xF8 Women search far more for hardcore and bondage than men do. If we assume that porn searches are a fair proxy for sexual fantasies, then the answer is clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:27 PM
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True. However, women are also the primary viewers of BDSM porn, which is a medium traditionally associated with men. The fact that the market for BDSM exists almost exclusively for women, whatever form it takes, is telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:15 PM
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No, I don’t think so. It still has distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 05:07 PM
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Humans have an incredible ability to adapt to their environment, but even the ways humans respond to their environments are prescribed by their biology. They are not free to behave in ways outside of their biological programming. If I replaced you, atom by atom, with the atoms of Hitler, and placed you in precisely the environment in which Hitler found himself, you would not have the thoughts, behaviors, and preferences of January P. You’d have the thoughts, behaviors, and preferences of Adolf H…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:51 PM
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I can only speculate, but here’s my notion: Women evolved the ability to elicit sympathy from others, especially men, as a way of shielding themselves from male violence and effecting greater control over their environment through men. Men often complain that women can be manipulative, but fail to realize that this is likely a form of preemptive self defense and a really effective strategy for increasing reproductive success. Women are not, and never were, completely at the mercy of men. Also, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:45 PM
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Young boys are heavily discriminated against in public schools, it’s true. But it shouldn’t be surprising that the sex with relatively limited, precious gametes and whose bodies act as incubators for fetuses is regarded as more valuable than the sex with unlimited, cheap gametes and no direct reproductive investment. Losing a single woman represents an existential threat to a tribe. Losing a single man? No big deal. Grog can pick up the slack.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:35 PM
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Maybe, but I don’t think there would be. I’d like to be wrong, trust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:28 PM
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Sure it’s a silly number, but anchoring was likely an adaptive trait sometime in the past, so humans still engage in it. Whether it’s silly or not is immaterial. Humans are silly. Also, the average height for Icelandic men and women is 5’ 11” and 5’5”, respectively. Women respond to the heights they are exposed to, so the height of Icelandic men only matters to women who are around Icelandic men. I agree being below 6’ isn’t a dealbreaker, but it’s not ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:24 PM
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I just don’t see how that can be the case. If humans are material beings, and only material beings, then everything we do and experience finds it’s source in our biology. If we are biomechanical machines that operate according to discrete inputs and outputs (albeit with very complex algorithms), then we are no more free to behave contrary to our intrinsic nature than a plant is free to refrain from photosynthesis or a rock is free to roll uphill.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:16 PM
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While what you say is true, I don’t think to that is the primary obstacle. If we imagine a hypothetical world where men are socially and politically disadvantaged in the same way that women were, say, 300 years ago, I just don’t see men ever being able to garner enough sympathy from women or even other men to change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:11 PM
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How can I be an incel and married?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:55 PM
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I didn’t mean that men aren’t capable of large scale cooperation. Men are actually much better at that than women. What I said was that men struggle to engage in collective social action that is centered around men as a discrete identity group.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:54 PM
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I completely agree. We’ve actually seen such things before. People forget that there was a massive amount of backlash from women when male contraceptives were first being presented as a possibility. I read all kinds of articles written by women about how male contraceptives were so unfair to women and that they would give men power over their own bodies at the expense of women who wanted children. Some articles said that male contraceptives were bad for women because it would give men the same s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:50 PM
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This is something I’ve expressed a lot. Women are very good at collective action and men are not, at least where men as a discrete identity group are concerned. I do think the reasons for this are evolutionary. Men just don’t have the ability to do it. That’s why I think solutions to social issues that negatively impact men will never find purchase with the public. I’ve seen research that found that men make up the majority of domestic assault victims and that they’re more likely to suffer serio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:58 PM
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If I didn’t have a good looking face, I know for a fact that I’d be a lifelong virgin since I have nothing else going for me sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:44 PM
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Everything has a biological basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:26 PM
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Her: I want you to just come in, throw me down, and fuck me no matter what I say or how hard I resist. Me: LMAO NO Her: >:(
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:23 PM
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I’ve read that women are more likely to fantasize about masochistic scenarios and sadistic scenarios. In other words, women were more likely than men to fantasize about being both the inflicter and receiver of pain. Women also report engaging in BDSM at far higher rates than men. 50 Shades of Grey and 365 Days are extremely popular media with women, but almost ignored by men. I think a desire for rough sex and more is common in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:20 PM
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Women make up the majority of voters by a big margin in the US. The president is whoever women want the president to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 10:37 AM
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Quite true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 10:21 AM
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I find that looking at human behavior from an evolutionary perspective allows me to interact with people with greater understanding and compassion. It gives me insight into their possible motives, perspectives, and struggles. The truth is, we’re all just giant talking apes, imprisoned on this planet, imprisoned by the laws of physics, imprisoned by our own natures. We’re subject to forces within and without over which we have no control. If anything deserves deeper understanding and grace, it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 11:44 PM
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That’s a really good question and it has an interesting answer. It’s likely due to a phenomenon called anchoring, which is a cognitive bias. Humans tend to psychologically “anchor” to certain integers that are easy to quantify. 6’ is a nice, solid discrete integer that appeals to humans. I’ve seen statistics where are man who is 5’ 11.5” is considered significantly less appealing than a 6’ man even though half an inch would be insignificant without the anchoring effect. In some countries that us…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 11:32 PM
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There’s a mountain of research that shows that women care about height far more than men do. You can google it. Being under 6’ isn’t a death sentence, but height is one of the biggest, if not the biggest factor in male sexual attractiveness. It’s literally scientifically undeniable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 11:17 PM
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The research surrounding disgust response is really interesting. Women have a stronger disgust response than men do in general. They have a lower threshold for disgust and feel it more intensely. It’s speculated that this may be the reason women get so frustrated with men when it comes to domestic tasks. The disgust response in women is triggered at a lower state of disorder than it is in men, causing women to perceive men as being derelict in their duties while, in reality, things just haven’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 12:26 AM
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I had the opportunity, but did not and would not. I made a sacred vow, and that takes precedence over my needs and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 09:57 PM
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It does happen more than the reverse (30 year old women dating much younger men). Most 30 to 40 year old men still look good as long as they maintain their body and hair. I was approached by a 20 year old at work when I was 31 for an affair. She knew I was married. I turned it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 09:48 PM
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I find men’s faces more aesthetic, but not sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 12:14 AM
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As a straight man, I actually find fit male bodies to be more aesthetically pleasing. They don’t do anything for my sexually at all, but I find them to be more proportional and just better fitting, I guess, than women’s bodies. The female form looks awkward and badly proportioned to be, but it still turns me on. I think men faces are also better looking when they don’t have any noticeable deformities. Women have been found to respond to men, even good looking ones, with a degree of disgust. It’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 09:02 PM
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Studies have shown that most women share your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 04:17 PM
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There are studies that show that women and men both rate women as more attractive than men, but men still rated other men higher than women rates them. Interestingly, straight women found other women more sexually arousing than they found men, with exceptions made for a few very attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 04:16 PM
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I saw a study that showed that both men and women rate women as more attractive than men. Men still rated other men as more attractive than women did. In fact, straight women reported being more sexually aroused by other women than by men, with exceptions made for very attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 04:14 PM
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I never claimed it made a man a catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:58 PM
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Right, I don’t disagree with any of that. What I’m saying is that we respond to a stimuli, including media stimuli, in the ways we evolved to respond to them. If we are products of media, and the media is a product evolved behavior and preferences, then we are also products of revolved behavior and preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:22 PM
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Slightly chubby can mean a lot of things. As far as the long neck and big ears go: men have been shown to prefer long, thin necks in women. The neck stretching you’re referring to is likely a case of supernormal stimulus. It’s the same with big dicks, big boobs, and big ears like you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:15 PM
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I’m not aware of any culture where being overweight was attractive. I am aware of cultures where rich people, who could afford to commission portraits of themselves, were also often fat. This caused overweight women to become over represented in the art of the time, leading to the false belief that those women were seen as sexually attractive. There are plenty of accounts and sexual art throughout history that demonstrate that norms around physical attractiveness have been remarkably consistent …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:06 PM
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Beauty standards and gender roles change only slightly, shifting around a stable axis according to local environmental differences. What was ugly 10,000 years ago is ugly today. It’s been demonstrated that humans agree on who is attractive and who isn’t, regardless of which culture they come from. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but all of the beholders tend to agree with each other. Gender norms as well are nearly universally consistent. You don’t see matriarchal tribal societies, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:49 PM
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I disagree. I think cultural norms are mostly an expression of innate, evolutionary predilections. We respond to our environment, not freely, but within the strictures laid by our biological programming. Man does not reflect society and media, society and media reflect man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:34 PM
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But evolutionary explanations for behavior are the correct explanations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:15 PM
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I was referring to upper body strength specifically. According to this study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303/ 90% of women had less hand-grip strength than 95% of men, and the strongest, most athletic women were still in the 25th percentile of men. Hand grip strength is considered a close proxy for overall upper body strength. Upper body muscles are densely packed with androgen receptors, and unless she has a pair of testicles or is injecting testosterone into her blood, matching male …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:24 AM
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To be fair, you’re unlikely to be stronger than any man, much less a good amount. A study found that the top 10% of women were equal in strength to the bottom 10% of men, while 90% of men were stronger than almost ALL women, with only a handful of extreme outliers (women taking steroids and blasting T) being the exceptions. I’ll try to find the study and link it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:48 AM
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You make good points. Like we’ve both said, someone can report as both a feminist and a sexist. I don’t think those two things are murals exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:17 AM
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I misunderstood what you said. Since it comes from different researchers, it lends more credence to the results. We still, however , have the issue of data that contradicts those results. Here’s an article from Psychology Today referencing the study I mentioned about benevolent sexism: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-new-home/201808/why-are-women-attracted-benevolently-sexist-men It was and is widely cited and is definitely reputable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:06 AM
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We should note that, while it might seem odd, it is possible to be both a self-professed feminist and a sexist/misogynist. Harvey Weinstein called himself a feminist all the time before he was publicly held to account. There are gay homophobes too. The fact that all the studies you cited came from one researcher, and that they all align perfectly with each other and support his original hypothesis, is cause enough for me to want to look deeper into the methodology. The research could be perfectl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:18 PM
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No. 1/3 are obese. 2/3 are overweight or obese. Since you have to be overweight before you can get to obese, there is overlap between overweight and obese. All obese are overweight, but not all overweight are obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:03 PM
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“Leagues” are a documented phenomenon called assertive mating. It has been observed that people of like levels of attractiveness tend to date and marry each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:38 PM
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That’s a good point. Getting approached is the real litmus test.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:35 PM
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I’m glad you agree. I usually get a lot of pushback for making that statement. Understand that I say these things as a man who would certainly benefit from a culture of strictly enforced social monogamy. However, I do not prescribe such a thing and have libertarian beliefs. The truth is that enforced monogamy has likely had a dysgenic effect on our species, producing humans who are uglier, dumber, and smaller-penised, and more deformed than would have been produced in a free sexual market. I bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:21 PM
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Sure, women like all kinds of men. It’s just that the vast majority of men are not sexually attractive enough to pass muster as a sexual partner in the absence of other, non-sexual, positive qualities. Most men would never have sex if they were forced to depend on their sexual attractiveness alone. But they can bring money, humor, provision, protection, and good company to the relationship. Women who marry men like this aren’t sexually attracted to them, but they do find them attractive in some …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:06 PM
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I’ve said it before that marriage was instituted by men, for men. It’s mate guarding made law and is a tool for controlling female sexuality. Only men benefit from it. The statistics about who initiates divorce tells this story. Women seem to be happiest in uncommitted sexual relationships with multiple men who are all servicing her sexually and competing with each other by providing gifts/resources to woo her. Monogamy is designed to distribute sex equally among men, the majority of whom would …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:47 PM
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Chad is a man to whom women are genuinely sexually attracted, so about 10% of the male population, if I’m being generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:33 PM
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There really is no solution to be made without violating women’s rights. It’s just a bad situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:50 AM
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They were extremely sexually aggressive towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:22 AM
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You were obeying a basic impulse to make yourself attractive for potential mates. Your lizard brain was unaware that you were under lockdown.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:18 AM
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It doesn’t have to be a conscious decision. Humans are still driven by the impulse to secure reproductive success even in the absence of mating opportunities. I have a male frog that will croak even though I’m sure he knows there are no females around. The difference between humans and frogs is that frogs don’t offer themselves back-rationalized explanations for why they do what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:17 AM
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Looking good makes you feel good because it signals to you that you are sexually competitive and better able to secure mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:13 AM
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To intimidate each other or gain social status, and therefore power over other women. This, to outcompete them for mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:11 AM
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It makes you feel more confident because it signals to your lizard brain that you have become more attractive to the opposite sex, and therefore more likely to secure reproductive success.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:10 AM
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The only reason any organism does anything is to advance the cause of it’s own reproduction, no matter how roundabout that may be. I read a study that found that makeup is applied in such a way by women that simulates certain facial cues indicating ovulation (contrary to previous belief, human female ovulation is not fully hidden). Makeup is absolutely about attracting, through deception, a male partner. Men engage in their own forms of display and deception. What people do, both men and women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:07 AM
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Women finding taken men more attractive is a documented phenomenon: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women-men-relationships-more-attractive-dating-romance-university-study-a8185026.html I’ve also seen research that suggested men either don’t discriminate between taken and available women and that men are less likely to pursue taken women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:46 AM
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You certainly implied it with your statement as you had no reason to make it otherwise. Don’t bullshit. You’re not good at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:43 AM
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It’s actually a documented phenomenon: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women-men-relationships-more-attractive-dating-romance-university-study-a8185026.html
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:43 AM
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That’s not a sensible argument because you’re making an ontological error by category mistake. You’re making the assumption that because men who are victimized by other men both belong to an arbitrarily selected category (males), that it essentially becomes self victimization and is therefore not a valid concern. It’s like if I dismissed violence against women because they’re human and their victimizers are also human. You can select any category and use this rationale to justify dismissing real…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:35 AM
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I’m not complaining. You asked for proof, and I provided it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 07:34 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 06:59 PM
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There have been studies that show that violent men are disproportionately sexually successful. Google “violent men have more sex” and watch the results roll in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 06:59 PM
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I agree, that’s probably a big part of it. I agree that a lack of opportunity to participate in certain activities has historically limited women, but I don’t think that’s the full picture. I think I’m standing on a sound scientific foundation when I say that men and women are wired differently and that, for the most part, our differences are biological rather than sociological in nature. My intuition tells me that biology has a far greater influence on culture than the reverse, and that a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:06 PM
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Yes, but when did this occur? If we imagine a hypothetical point in the past where neither men nor women were advantaged, then how did men supersede women to being with?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:26 PM
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How did men get the opportunities and resources to being with? By being more adventurous and aggressive than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:39 AM
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Not exactly the same thing, but according to this survey half of all women ADMIT to having a “back-up” man. https://www.medicaldaily.com/back-plan-half-women-relationships-have-plan-b-man-they-can-run-away-305186 It’s not a stretch to think that a large percentage of women are actively talking to another man outside their marriage. My wife tells me that almost all the married women she’s aquatinted with at work are talking to some other guy or actually physically cheating with him, and they don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:58 AM
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What does incel mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:50 AM
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I think it was always there and is a product of evolution. Women are treated with greater empathy than men because, being physically weaker and at the mercy of men, they need it more. It’s a way of offsetting the physical risks that men have represented to women throughout history. You’re right that women have not enjoyed the level of legal equality with men that they do now, but that’s not to say that women never enjoyed any female-exclusive privileges in ages past. You’d be hard-pressed to fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:01 AM
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Yas_Kang is right. Per the linked study, women show a much stronger positive bias towards each other than men do, and men even like women more than they like men. This is why social causes that focus on women’s issues almost always succeed, while men’s social issues always fail and always will fail. Humans extend compassion and empathy to women that they don’t and won’t extend to men. That’s just the way it is and there’s nothing that can be done about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 10:17 AM
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Here’s one study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020 If you Google “women’s height preferences”, a lot of interesting results pop up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:43 PM
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The data suggests that a man’s height is one of the biggest factors for women, and that almost all women prefer men of above average height, and almost no woman will settle for a man shorter than her. Men’s height preferences in women were far weaker and more generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:18 PM
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Women are less aware of their real motivations and desires than men are of theirs. There was a study done once that showed that women were sexually aroused by images that they claimed did not sexually arouse them, while men’s actual and claimed arousal matched perfectly. Women are often accused of lying about their preferences, but I don’t think this is the case. I think women are actually sincere when they say they don’t care about height, looks, or dick size. It’s just that they’re oblivious t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:05 PM
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A hoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:36 PM
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I wish it listed the descriptions as well. I read the full study years ago, and I remember it pretty well. Here’s how it went: Man A: Kind-hearted, gentle, and affectionate. Treats women well and is polite to everyone. Quiet and introverted and a bit of a pushover. Non-aggressive and unassuming. Man B: Kind and gentle like man A, but confident and aggressive. Has no trouble being assertive and gets what he wants out of life. He’s witty and fun, but also affectionate and sweet. A natural leader. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 08:30 PM
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Had some older girls touch me inappropriately when I was 9 or so. Also, when you’re a teenager, grown women can be creepy and aggressive. I don’t know where this idea that adult women aren’t attracted to teen boys came from, but in my experience, it’s dead wrong. Got cat-called by some girls around my age when I was 20, but I actually liked that, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 07:42 PM
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31% admit to being molested. It might be higher. Just about every guy I’ve known has a story.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 07:39 PM
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There actually has been research that found that women are attracted to Dark Triad traits themselves. The red-pillers didn’t actually pull this one out their ass. It was researchers, not red-pillers, who first made the connection. This study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245 concluded that men high in DT traits were significantly more attractive to women. The women were asked to rate descriptions of men with various traits, and it was the DT traits themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:23 AM
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There has been research that suggests women are attracted to the dark triad traits themselves. I’ll copy and paste something I’ve commented elsewhere: This study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245 concluded that men high in DT traits were significantly more attractive to women. The women were asked to rate descriptions of men with various traits, and it was the DT traits themselves that women found attractive. Active attraction to DT in men is a feature of ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:19 AM
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Right. Studies have suggested female sexual preferences are conflicting: they want the high-quality genetic material AND a resource-rich provider. Since it’s difficult to secure these in one man, you can satisfy one requirement with one man and satisfy the other with another man. There has been interesting research done on women’s behavior when the cheat. For example, women are less likely to use contraceptives with their affair partner than with their social partner when they are ovulating. Als…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:27 PM
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There’s evidence that women’s desire for their long term partners wanes with time, and they start desiring new partners. Men, on the other hand, show no such waning desire and if they seek new partners, it’s usually an addition to the one they have, not a replacement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 12:09 PM
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I’m a benevolent sexist who believes that self-sacrifice, endurance of hardship, and provision/protection are all things men are duty-bound and obliged to give in relationships. It is incumbent on the man to take any of the woman’s suffering upon himself that he can, if it diminishes her pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 04:05 PM
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In that case, I wouldn’t stop at taking half. I’d take it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:52 PM
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Most men AND women would feel insecure about their partner suggesting an add-on device because their bodies are inadequate, I think. To be honest, this post seems like rage bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 02:35 PM
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Because it’s not 50/50. His pain isn’t diminishing her pain. I would never demand that my wife have to endure pain just because I have to. That’s how people who actually love each other behave. I would take all her pain if I could. Only a sadist or a psychopath would demand their spouse experience pain for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 02:26 PM
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You make good points. I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 12:20 PM
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The study never said “creepy means ugly” specifically. Sorry if I misrepresented it. However, if the notion itself finds enough purchase in the zeitgeist to warrant research into it, I think that qualifies the idea on some level. The research suggests that it is the man’s attractiveness, rather than his objective behavior, that has more influence on whether he’s perceived as creepy or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 11:58 AM
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“Creepy means ugly” is so mainstream even women say it. It’s even been the subject of research: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12147-015-9142-5
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 01:16 AM
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As is your right.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 06:18 PM
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I’m always amazed by the high-IQ comments that show up on this subreddit. There have been several in this comment section, and this is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:36 PM
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Okay, that makes sense. I think that’s true for anyone though, men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 04:29 PM
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Not sure what you mean by proximity here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:10 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/wy7inr/are_men_unable_to_secure_relationships_with_women/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:04 PM
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I know. It went from 0 to assaulting the FBI a lot faster than I would have thought possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:31 AM
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Human attractiveness is actually pretty quantifiable. What men and women prefer in mates is well documented by science. You can even teach AI to reliably identify attractive faces. Even babies prefer looking at attractive faces. Attractiveness is mostly objective, with fuzzy, subjective edges.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:28 AM
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There was a woman who thought as you do. She crossdressed (convincingly) as a man and tried to approach women. The experience was so brutal for her she had a mental breakdown and needed therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:23 AM
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Since the average man is 4 inches taller than the average woman, you would be 5’3” as a male. Ouch. You’re brother was lucky as hell he made it to 5’8”. That’s a fairly safe height.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 09:42 PM
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I’ve always been curious about this as a man. I personally don’t find the idea of women masturbating all that arousing. However, I’ve heard from many women, including my wife, that male masturbation turns them on. Like, my wife we ask me if I’ve done it and want to know details. I can’t figure out why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 04:17 PM
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Promiscuous people make for bad partners generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 04:11 PM
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This is a good and thoughtful answer. I probably would have made the same argument myself in the past. Although there is certainly some truth to what you’re saying (Dark Triad men easily manipulate women to get what they want from them) studies have shown that women are actively attracted to those traits. This study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245 concluded that men high in DT traits were significantly more attractive to women. The women were asked to rate…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 11:02 AM
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It’s not anecdotal. It’s late tonight here, but tomorrow I’ll link the studies done on female sexual preferences. I’ve also made a post about women’s preference for benevolent sexism if you’re willing to go through my post history.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:31 AM
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Men with bonafide misogyny don’t do as well as “benevolent” sexists, but guys who display zero sexism or misogyny tend to do the worst, for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 01:52 AM
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To be fair, the average man is balding at least a little by 25 and noticeably so by 35. He’s also not particularly good looking. I remember when I saw something where women were presented with a computer generated image of a statistically average male face. They said it was ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 01:48 AM
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When you say that all women have different preferences, it makes it sound like women’s preferences are evenly distributed among the population instead of clustering strongly, sometimes almost universally, around certain traits. It’s like when someone says that women like men of all heights. That’s certainly true, but saying it like that makes it seem like there are just as many women who like a 5’2” guy as a 6’2” guy, when studies have shown that at least 90% of women would reject Mr. Five-two o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 01:45 AM
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He mentioned having a small penis on the websites he visited as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 01:34 AM
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I actually made a post on this subject if you’d like to look at it. You can click on my profile and look at it. Turns out, men without sexist or misogynistic behavior are most likely to be sexually inexperienced, while “benevolent” sexists do the best. Down-right woman haters even do better than inexperienced men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 11:20 PM
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It depends. The difference between flirty and creepy is determined by the woman’s subjective experience of the event, not so much about objective, observable behavior. I saw a study once that showed that women perceive behaviors differently depending on how attractive a man is. Attractive men were perceived as confident, sexy, and flirtatious for the exact same behaviors that got unattractive men perceived as creepy. The behavior wasn’t variable, women’s subjective experience of the behavior was…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 08:07 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 02:45 PM
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Honestly, unless a guy is very attractive, he has no business being on dating apps. He should try more conventional methods, and if those fail, he should accept his lot in life and try to find fulfillment alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 01:12 PM
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Male sexuality is often presented as being inherently predatory. As a former teenage boy, I can tell you that it was drilled into our brains that we were potential sexual monsters, and any expression of interest in the opposite sex was seen as disgusting and unwanted. It fucked me up for years and I still struggle with feelings of shame. Ironically, it is the most conservative and most progressive environments that are both guilty of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:15 PM
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Assuming red pill teachings were effective and every man applied them, there would still be a 50th percentile. Half of men are going to below average no matter what anyone does. That’s the fundamental flaw of the red pill: the more people that embrace it, the less effective it becomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 02:50 PM
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It does not flip. Women are always more sexually valuable than men, no matter the age.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:09 PM
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I wouldn’t accept an LTR with someone that wouldn’t find me attractive enough for casual sex. Note: that’s a hypothetical. A lot of men and women don’t want casual sex. That isn’t the point. If there’s no raw sexual attraction for me, the relationship isn’t going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 03:13 AM
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I’ll fix the wording in my post and will be adding more studies that I’ve found when I get the chance sometime tomorrow. I misread the study as suggesting that misogynistic men had more success than all groups, but missed the research on the sex focused men somehow. Thanks for pointing it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 03:03 AM
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Good catch, I’ll edit my post to reflect that. What I should have said was that misogynistic men performed better than normative men, not that they performed best over all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 03:02 AM
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You’re right. I didn’t say all humans act like chimps all the time, but that humans generally do. And that’s enough to get ourselves blown up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:10 PM
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That could be as well. Good comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:08 PM
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Edited.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:06 PM
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Give us time. We have the means and the will to do it. We may yet find ourselves in that world exactly as you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:04 PM
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Sorry. Can you point to which part is incl content? I’ll delete it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:58 PM
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You just described humans in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:43 PM
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I mostly agree. I think the black pill finds some purchase in the truth as well,but people get so upset by it and apply some studies or whatever to specific life experiences and it makes them bitter or despondent. I do feel compassion for that. It is true what you say about guys who think they’re too ugly to date. They’re often not. A lot of them are Asian or other ethnic minorities and they do have real, documented obstacles to dating that white men don’t have. Asian men have it particularly ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:32 PM
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No problem. I apologize if I came across as aggressive. I would like to and intend to post more studies when I get the chance. I understand where you’re coming from and I’m sympathetic. I suspect we likely do disagree about some things here, but I promise I’m here in good faith. As to why I’m here? I have no idea. I’m a happily married 35 year old man. I made this post because I wanted to dispel the notion that sexually inexperienced men were that way because of some terrible character flaw or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:19 PM
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Like I said, I’m not red pill. I think generally where the red pill might find some purchase with the truth is in a description of how some things are, but generally fails in it’s prescription of how men out to act. It’s possible to describe some things accurately, but also prescribe the wrong behavior in response to those models.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:15 PM
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You’re assuming I’m trying to make a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:10 PM
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That’s a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:09 PM
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This is where we agree. Red pill is too formulaic and real people don’t work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:06 PM
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Just two for now. But my phone is struggling with the text in the post, so I’ll have wait until I’m on my computer to complete this post. What does it matter? I’d didn’t cherry-pick as far as I’m aware. If there are studies that contradict these data, that would be a useful addition to the discussion. Maybe instead of accusing me of acting in bad faith, you can address the points I made and we can have a dialog instead of an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:03 PM
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I don’t think most people associate with misogyny, but I have seen the association made.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:59 PM
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You’re wrong on all counts. My premise is that men who are unsuccessful with women are not necessarily misogynistic, which is a common trope. I never claimed, nor does my post imply, that misogynists do better. Rather, the data suggests that benevolent sexism is most attractive, not necessarily misogyny. My intention is not to disenfranchise women or to be for an apologist for misogyny. That’s an absurd, baseless accusation. You have read into my post what you wanted to read into it, and interpr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:56 PM
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True. Had a buddy who was about as Chad as you can get.He didn’t start out a misogynist, but he became one after he had run through a bunch of other guys’ girlfriends, fiancés, and wives. If you repair toasters, you might fall into the trap of thinking all toasters are shit. What’s actually happening is that the good toasters are self selecting themselves away from your experience. I think sexually successful men turn misogynistic because they encountering the worst behaviors, but they’re encoun…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:47 PM
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I would like to see a study like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:40 PM
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I don’t really subscribe to any pill. I welcome constructive criticism though. What do you take issue with?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:32 PM
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No. It’s definitely a real word. It’s been around since 1620. The root words are Greek: mis = against / gyn = woman. Definitely not a buzzword, but people disagree on the meaning. Also, the pronunciation is MISS / ODG / ANY. Misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:28 PM
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What term are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:23 PM
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True. The corollary is the my wife is often suprised at how fast I can make decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:19 PM
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Honestly, watching things devolve into chaos can be part of the fun. I do have a preference for good faith dialog, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:01 PM
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No problem. I was actually getting worried that I had something that was misinterpreted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 01:58 PM
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Are you replying to the correct post?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 01:56 PM
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Good points. I agree with all. Misogyny is such a nebulous term now that it’s hard to settle on what qualifies as it. Some might suggest that even benevolent sexism is a form of misogyny. I don’t agree with that, but I understand the point. It was interesting that the men who had the lowest levels of all types of sexism were the least successful. This does dispel the myth that unsuccessful men are unsuccessful due to sexism or misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 01:44 PM
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True. I’m a man, and if there’s one thing in a movie that I like, it’s a likeable or relatable bad guy. However, it does all seem to suggest women have an inherent attraction to traits we would describe as toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 01:08 PM
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I don’t subscribe to any pill, but I find that blue pill people change their arguments and their beliefs in response to whatever a red piller is saying. The goal isn’t to make a coherent point, the goal seems to be simply to contradict the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 01:05 PM
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I’m inclined to agree with you, but I was using the term in the commonly accepted parlance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 01:03 PM
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Interestingly, I’ve read before that lonely people actually take more and longer showers than couples people because the warm water is comforting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 01:01 PM
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My phone wants to explode when I type in the post, so I have to wait until I get home to post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:57 PM
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In the ones I saw, a lot of the rapists were married. I’ll post it when I get home. My phone wants to blow up when I make posts on here, so I should e to do it on the computer. The whole 365 Days phenomenon was wild. A guy orally rapes an airline stewardess, kidnaps a woman, rapes other women in front of her, rapes her, and she falls in love with him. Women were going wild over that movie, but men reported that they hated it and found it disgusting. Some guys even said their Tinder dates made th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:55 PM
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That’s true. I considered that as well. I’ll post some more studies later today that show that even among men where their partner count and relationship status are objectively edifies by researchers, men who are sexist and misogynistic are more likely to be in relationships. Also, one study I found showed that most rapists are in consensual sexual relationships with women other than the ones they rape. You do make a good point, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:48 PM
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I’ve noticed the hierarchy thing. Men tend to see a hierarchy as something in flux and are more open to people trying to buck the status quo, but women seem to hate it any kind of disruption to it. They want everyone to stay in their place.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:44 PM
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Women definitely value conformity more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:39 PM
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Male / female social dynamics are different, but I’m pretty sure this is not gender specific behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:38 PM
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Maybe. It kind of makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. In my experience, the men who did best with women had the lowest opinions of them, with few exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:26 PM
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No one says I have to be one of them, and I’m not one of them. But I recognize myself as an exception, though I’m sure most men see themselves that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:25 PM
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There is evidence that sexually unsuccessful men are less misogynistic and are temperamentally more agreeable than successful men. In fact, misogyny has a strong positive correlation with sexual success in men, as do behaviors like bullying and violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 11:19 AM
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I know you weren’t talking about wealth. I was using a financial analog to drive my point home. Look, I understand your sentiment. It’s feel-good. It’s positive. But what you’re suggesting is impossible. If all men behaved as you prescribed, then there would simply be a new mediocre, a new superior, a new loser. Nothing would change. When someone makes a decision -any kind of investment of time or energy- they should do a cost/benefit analysis. If someone decides that a “fuck fear “ attitude is …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:49 AM
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For a lot of men, a third option -play it safe for a mediocre yet stable return- is far more sound than “get rich or die trying”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:14 AM
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Oh no, I do think most paired women desire their partners, at least to some degree. This is just my observation, but it’s the intensity of the desire that varies. I’ve personally never seen any woman hot with lust over an average or below man, even if it was clear that she loved him very much and wanted to be with him. I have seen some of those same women go apeshit for a stud, though. It is what it is and there’s not use being upset about it. All men are NOT created equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:59 AM
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Women and men date who they want to date. As far as leagues are concerned, I would say average women dating above average men ARE dating in their league. Men want women more than women want men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:55 AM
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To be fair, I’ve always looked 10 years younger than I am. It sucked to look 15 at 25, but by my late twenties and into my thirties, it paid off. Also, I don’t think you can speak for all women. I’ve heard plenty of talk from ladies about attraction to (healthy and good looking) older men. It does happen. If you look good, you look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:39 AM
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Man, I had a friend (who has sadly since passed away) with whom I was very close. We ended up going to community college together. He was tall (6’3” ish, I’d estimate), very good looking (Holister model through part college), and had a big dick (saw it myself once). I used to joke that he was playing the game of life on God mode. Well, the height and good looks got him laid easily, and once the news of his large member broke out, women were fucking swarming him. I mean they’d literally be gather…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:37 AM
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I gave an example of such an event later in the comment chain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:10 AM
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I’ve never seen a woman express sympathy for men on this subject as well as you have. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:08 AM
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In the case of most men, that voice in their head is probably telling them the truth. It’s the voice of reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:07 AM
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There’s evidence that women are better at hiding their affairs. This makes sense, since the consequences of getting caught have historically been more severe for women than for men. So, when a man cheats, the woman finds out pretty quickly and probably saw it coming a mile a way. When a woman’s infidelity is discovered, the man is usually clueless up to that point. Also, I’ve read than men tend to cheat in spurts with random women, while women tend to have long, drawn out affairs. Men cheat oppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:06 AM
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To be fair, people are only cheated on by partners who are with them now, so that’s not really a reliable indicator of desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:59 AM
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Right. It’s a common trope among strippers, that while most men are respectful, women know no boundaries. They behave however they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:55 AM
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This is true. I’ve always said that women transform into men when they’re around a guy that’s extremely attractive, with all the creepy behavior, groping, and sexual aggression that comes with that. Very attractive men get catcalled by women on the street. Women aren’t less sexually predatory, they’re just more selective. I’ve seen demure women transform into damn-near rapists when they truly want to be with a man sexually. Most men only elicit a lukewarm reaction from women, even the ones they …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:46 AM
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Even now, I’m astonished by my wife’s inability to decide what she wants to eat. She tells me that if she picks one item, she’s afraid she’ll be missing out on the other. She’ll literally sit there and invent reasons to be dissatisfied with either choice, as if it’s her last meal or something. If it gets particularly bad, and I choose for her and, right hand to God, she breathes a sigh of relief and it looks like the weight of the world is lifted from her shoulders.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:43 AM
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I disagree. Men in conservative social environments are explicitly told that women and children are more valuable than they are, and they’re expect to sacrifice even their very lives for them. “A man always puts the needs of others ahead of his own.” I can’t tell you how many times I heard that growing up. I think a big reason men fail to engage in self care and do things like go to the doctor is because we feel like we’re failing the “put others first” imperative that’s drilled into our brains …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:38 AM
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Then another very beautiful, super tall, ripped, boy with superpowers also falls madly in love with her Isn't Taylor Lautner like, 5' 8"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 08:27 PM
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I’ll try to see if I can find the study later. It’s been buried under a lot of other dark triad research so I’ll have to do it when I get home. I suspect, however, that your point may be correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:41 PM
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I read a study once (if you’d like to see the study I’m sure I can hunt it down) that presented women with written text of three men. It went something like this: Man A was kind and affectionate, but he wasn’t confident or assertive. He was a good provider and a loyal boyfriend, but was otherwise not very stereotypically masculine. Man B was kind and affectionate, but he was assertive and confident. He was very stereotypically masculine, and was courageous and strong in spite of his gentle natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:23 PM
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Maybe because I cast women in a sympathetic light. And I am sympathetic to them. It makes sense to be sneaky and clever in a world where at least 50% of the population is orders of magnitude stronger than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:04 PM
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I think men and women are both blind to their respective sins, because, as I said, being aware of your bad behave compromises your ability to successfully engage in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:40 PM
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I suppose he’s assuming you tend to focus on the most attractive men and draw conclusions about male behavior in general based on what you observe, but that it isn’t a correct conclusion because attractive men have options that unattractive men don’t and tend to behave accordingly. His assumption may very well be wrong, but you do claim to be a Chad chaser in your name.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:33 PM
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When I was in college, before OLD became mainstream, I never heard of women considering a man’s height unless he was very short. Being short was bad, but being tall wasn’t the boost it is today. When men started listing their height on OLD, the height parameter starting bleeding into our collective consciousness and now, like you said, it’s being fetishized. I wrote a comment about this on here just the other day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 10:26 AM
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I’d take the test and wouldn’t think less of my wife if she asked me to. Cheating is extremely common, and I really don’t fault anyone, man or woman, for taking measures to protect themselves from it. It’s not as simple as simply marrying someone you trust, since I’d imagine most people who get cheated on trust their spouse. Fidelity means nothing if it can’t endure being put to the test. I don’t support collecting someone’s DNA without their consent or the consent of their parents/guardians.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:00 AM
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Hmm. I didn’t realize anyone other than me had this idea. It’s validating to see that it isn’t unique. I wouldn’t say that women entirely lack self awareness, but rather that they have a strategic lack of awareness in some areas. This is probably true for men as well, but being a man, I’m blind to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:14 PM
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I kind of agree with OPs general idea, but I feel like he worded things poorly. I have this theory that women evolved to be sneaky and dissimulative because that’s the only way they have any power over men. If women weren’t naturally manipulative, they would be completely at the mercy of men. A woman who can get inside a man’s head is not only safeguarding herself from that man, but also securing his power by proxy. He is her vehicle for exercising power over the outside world and giving her con…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:55 PM
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:)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:13 PM
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I’m sure a lot of men would be that way if they could. If you ever get the chance, read up on some accounts by women who transitioned to men and started testosterone replacement therapy. Their libidos increased dramatically and drove them insane with lust. I’ll tell you from personal experience that having a pair of testicles pumping that hormone into blood since you turned 12 is absolutely brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:05 PM
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Women frequently engage in this behavior as well. Don’t bullshit. Also, we can’t pretend like there aren’t pervasive social stigma that surrounds male virginity and that a large subset of the population (maybe a majority, both men and women) subscribe to it unquestioningly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:42 PM
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I’ve noticed this too. Women will shame sexless men (“incel” / “virgin loser”) and then question why men are so driven to get laid and worry about their inability to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:40 PM
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I think the issue is that there is a tremendous amount of societal pressure on men to do well with women. A man isn’t seen as a valid man unless he’s able to succeed with women. In fact, a lack of sexual success is seen as a moral failing. As another poster said, there is no life script for men who fail in this way. There is no identity and no place in society. Also, is sex important to you? Would a lack of it distress you? I’m asking in good faith and not trying to catch you out or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:32 PM
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There are several studies from different countries that I saw that suggested taller men have more children. I’ll post them this afternoon when I have the time. My reading (unless I missed something) of the metastudy you posted is that height had an effect on reproductive success, but was less of a predictor than other factors. None of that is contrary to the Dutch study.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:51 PM
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There are several Studies from different countries that I saw that suggested taller men have more children. I’ll post them this afternoon when I have the time. The reading of the metastudy you posted is that height had an effect on reproductive success, but was less of a predictor than other factors. No of that is contrary to the Dutch study.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:51 PM
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I didn’t “conveniently” choose the Dutch. What does that even mean? Nothing you said contradicts my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:54 AM
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Every study done of height preferences shows that women care far more about height than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:44 AM
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Actually, taller men have more children. You can actually predict a man’s reproductive success fairly accurately based on his height alone. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2015.0211
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:43 AM
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I don’t know. My apprehension of the phenomenon is this: women are more desired by men then men are desired by women, generally. An average woman is out of an average man’s league. Women are getting with men in their league. It’s just that there is a subset of men (10 - 20%? I don’t know) that aren’t in any woman’s league. I can’t prove this and I don’t have any data, but it’s a parsimonious theory and I don’t have any other way of explaining what I’ve observed over the past decade or so. I full…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:20 AM
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I’m not sure I agree with OP, but there’s a big flaw in your argument here. If most women are having sex with their boyfriends, then most men would be having sex with their girlfriends. The rates would be the same. The only way your argument makes sense is if women are sharing boyfriends en mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:10 AM
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I’m not sure if I agree with his point or not, but I’ll point out that even if 10 or 15% of women used dating apps and were exclusively sleeping with a small subset of men, it would have a kind of butterfly effect on the number of available women at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:06 AM
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That makes sense. I suppose a more attractive would place inconvenient demands on a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:42 PM
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I would never cheat. And I’m sure those young women are fucking, I just can’t imagine who they’re fucking unless it’s Gigachads from outer space.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:10 PM
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Not sure what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:06 PM
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My wife was astonished when she realized that the obese, 30 something year old women she works with all had a rotation of multiple 6 ft., fit, handsome, 20-something walking dildos that they can have delivered to their doorstep like a pizza when they get horny once or twice a week. She wondered why those young, good looking guys were stooping so low when they could be with attractive young women their own age. I didn’t have an answer for her. I can’t fathom what kind of Ubermenschen a young, att…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:02 PM
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Hunter-gatherer societies are extremely inequitable in both wealth and social hierarchy. There really is no evidence of egalitarianism in pre historic societies. There is no such thing as a sexually monogamous species. There are socially monogamous species that engage in promiscuous extra-pair copulations. Humans are thought to be in this category. In most monogamous species, only a handful of males sire most of the offspring, despite officially having only one mate themselves. Monogamy and chea…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:43 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/06/health/number-of-sex-partners-kerner/index.html Here’s a study with a sample size of 15,000. They found that men and women’s reporting of sexual partners didn’t add up, numerically. Here’s a quote from one of the researchers: "This seems to indicate that the number of sex partners would be especially skewed in the male population in favor of the more desirable men and that a majority of men are not having much success," sex therapist Michael Aaron said. "It's possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:54 PM
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I don’t think you understand how science works. The recommended sample size for 300 million people is 271 or greater. That’s gives you a 90% confidence interval. Adding more people to the study is not going make much of a difference. You’re just inventing reasons to dismiss data that doesn’t jive with your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:44 PM
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In what world is almost 300 people a tiny sample size?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:38 PM
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https://theworld.org/stories/2013-05-30/women-underestimate-sexual-partners-while-men-exaggerate-says-study Men exaggerate while women understate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:36 PM
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So, I was responding to a claim made that height is irrelevant with a counter claim that height is not irrelevant. I don’t k ow what you want me to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:33 PM
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There have been studies that show that women lie about their body count significantly more than men do, and that they lie to a greater degree. I wonder if the data is skewed in any way by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:46 PM
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A fun experiment you can try: get a woman you know in real life to show you a picture that’s representative of her idea of an average man. Then, show her one of those computer generated images of a statistically average man. The difference will be stark. In my experience, her average will much better looking (if she shows a full body shot, the guy will be tall as well) than the computer generated image. “Ew, no. That’s ugly,” they say of the computer image. I even exclude any images of men with …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:53 PM
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Right. There are winners and losers in the male dating game. With women, success is very nearly evenly distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:42 PM
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True. It’s called the male variability hypothesis. Males of almost all species vary more in their traits than females do. It’s like nature throws the dice with males more than females, gambling to get that exquisite specimen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:38 PM
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The more I look at this thread, the more I recognize OP’s genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 02:04 PM
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The more I look at this thread, the more I recognize OP’s genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 02:04 PM
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What about my comment suggests I would?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:07 PM
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She can like whatever she wants. But expecting other people to respond positively to it just to make you happy is unreasonable. Imagine if a guy started flirting with you by rambling about sports statistics and then got upset because you didn’t respond positively to it. See what I mean? Believing in superstitions and then expecting other people to validate those beliefs just to make you happy is unreasonable. You are, and always have been, free to believe whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:37 PM
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Astrology is derided because it deserves derision. If women are rejecting men because men won’t play along with primitive, anti-enlightenment hogwash, then women are the problem, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:32 PM
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Because as far as humans are concerned, someone’s face is 80% of their personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:29 PM
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The system is essentially designed to get a father listed on the birth certificate as quickly as possible to ensure the government doesn’t end up having to provide for the child. There are perverse incentives at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:25 PM
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The averages between men and women are roughly similar, but men have a much wider distribution than women do. Women cluster more heavily around the mean. This means that far more women than men have what would be considered a “typical” experience level with sex. The most successful men are considerably more successful than the most successful women, and the least successful men are less successful than the least successful women. No really arguing against your point. Just felt this info was rele…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:19 PM
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Taller men are statistically more likely to be in relationships, so your experiences hold true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:22 AM
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Just last night, I said that humans have a natural instinct to reproduce. I was asked to site a source proving that. It’s like they live in some hyper-empiricist world where logic and reasonable inferences don’t exist. It really is just a tactic used to avoid addressing the actual point you made. They just try to bog you down in swamp of semantic arguments and deconstructionist bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 10:51 AM
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I’ve always thought that height matters more on online dating than real life, and the hyper focus on height has bled into the common experience over the past decade or so. Height has always mattered. However, the natural variability in male height that is observed in real life doesn’t inherently come attached to specific quantities. I mean, that no one walks around with 6’ or 5’8” stamped on their heads. A man might be recognized as tall or short, but our experience of height in everyday life is…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 10:06 AM
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Polarizing. That’s closer to the reality than what I said. Thanks for your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:57 AM
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LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:56 AM
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I never suggested that correlation = causation, but we can reasonably assume it does in this case. Finding men of above average height more attractive than average or shorter men is nearly universal among women, with the average ideal height being around 6’2” in most studies. Why do we pretend this isn’t the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:36 AM
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;)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:38 AM
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Yeah. Like “height is a social construct”. Where do they get this stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:36 AM
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Who is “you people”? Maybe I have misused the term, but I don’t know a word for what I’m trying to describe. What is it when someone tells you something is true when it’s obviously not, when it’s clear that they don’t believe it, and then they act like you’re in the wrong for refusing to accept it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:27 AM
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It was just an example. I could easily have replaced those with a 5’9” and 6’1” man, but the difference is less stark.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:25 AM
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Depends of the level of confidence. It can be hard to quantify. Let’s just say that 6’3” confidence on a 5’3” man would be jarring and offensive to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:22 AM
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Being short hurts you more than being tall helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:19 AM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:15 AM
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In my experience, you have to be noticeably short to start getting shit on regularly. Probably around 5’6” to 5’7” in the US. However, some people (both women and men) consider anything under 5’11” to be short. Average height men do get called short more often than you’d think. I’m 5’9” or 5’10” and I’ve been called short.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:15 AM
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Yeah, I read that line. That is true to an extent, but I think they threw that in there to assuage the doubts of short men. Look, no one wants or expects short men to have the confidence of tall men. I’ve seen it myself: a short guy can behave objectively identical to a tall dude in a situation and he’ll be accused of having a Napoleon complex or or that’s he overcompensating for his height. People expect men to have a confidence level that is appropriate for them. Ugly men, short men, poor men …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:09 AM
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Taller men have prettier girlfriends: https://www.aberdeennews.com/story/lifestyle/2016/10/19/aller-men-have-prettier-girlfriends-studies-show/116698358/ “Height doesn’t matter.” = textbook gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:54 AM
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I remember a study that found that taller men do have prettier girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:53 AM
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I never claimed that mate guarding men fathered more children than slutty men. I claimed that men who engaged in mate guarding outcompeted men who did not. Nothing precludes slutty men from mate guarding. If you want a source, just type “mate guarding sexual success” into google and a plethora of studies pop up, including ones on male humans. One in particular I saw suggested that unattractive men mate guard more heavily than attractive men do, which makes sense. Anyway, the up vote / down vote …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 02:13 AM
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This is true. I actually remember noticing this when I was 9 or 10 years old. People of similar levels of attractiveness tend to pair together.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:36 AM
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It has happened through all of history. Men evolved to mate guard and women evolved to circumvent that guarding. Mate guarding isn’t 100% effective, but if it has any positive effect at all it’s worth doing. You need me to cite a source that human beings have an instinctual drive to reproduce? If I told you that humans require oxygen to survive or that organisms generally try to keep themselves alive, would you need a source for that too? Also, are you the one downvoting me?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:31 AM
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Those men who weren’t promiscuous and mate guarded prevented the promiscuous guys from impregnating their mates. Also, alpha fucks, as you say, do tend to settle with mates of their own and benefit from mate guarding themselves. People cling to it today because they are driven to do so by forces outside of their control. I mean, you could question why any living organism avoids death, potentially at great cost, and the answer would be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:51 AM
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I’d say it matters to women just as much as it matters to men, it’s just that it’s rare for women to be in scenarios where they question if the child is theirs. To answer your question, men care because of evolution. Specifically, we can surmise that jealous men who mate guarded and prevented their partners from mating with other men sexually outcompeted men who did not engage in those behaviors. It’s easy to see why. If you don’t give a shit about passing on your genes, you’re going to be less …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:18 AM
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Seriously. I think the vast majority of women would react the same way as most men to the news that they had been unknowingly raising a child that wasn’t their own. It beggars belief that someone wouldn’t understand this, which suggests to me that she does understand, but just doesn’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:51 PM
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Gay men hitting on me is flattering and raises my self esteem. I’d politely reject them, but as long as they’re not sexually harassing me, they can approach whenever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:18 PM
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I posted a thread about paternity fraud earlier today. Most of the comments were very thoughtful and added to the discussion. Then you had men in the comments saying that unfaithful women should be sterilized, and women saying that paternity fraud wasn’t immoral at all and even justified and another that said that men are at fault for being cheated on. A few bad actors drag this sub down.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:16 PM
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Very good points. I agree with you. Thanks for your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:06 PM
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I think the argument is that women generally would prefer to have a man with all the best qualities. However, as it turns out, men who are sexually desirable have options and tend to be less faithful and committed, making them poor candidates for domestic life and fatherhood. Their sperm is in high demand, relatively speaking, and adopt a strategy that best facilitates their sexual success. They pump and dump. Less sexually desirable men have fewer options, and are forced, as it were, into fidel…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:02 PM
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Yeah, I don’t disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 08:58 PM
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Not sure what Humbert 2 means. I’ll give you the story: I was team leader at my former job. One day, when I came back to my desk, I found a note with hearts on it and a phone number. I presented to my boss and he looked up the number. It belonged to one of the new girls that had started working there. She was 21, I think. Anyway, I had him inform HR just in case. I wasn’t too worried about anything going wrong, but I like to be careful in those situations. I was married then as well, so never pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 08:32 PM
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No, I’d like to hear about your opinions on why women cheat. This has nothing to do with revenge fantasies. You’re projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:53 PM
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I agree there is a big disparity in sentencing based on socioeconomic class. In the United States, a man is financially liable for a child if his name is on the birth certificate, even if it’s determined afterwords that it’s not his child and he was deceived into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:48 PM
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Alright, I’ll concede the kidnapping thing. You made a good argument for that. I don’t know what the punishment should be. But remember, people do go to jail for financial fraud. Look at Bernie Madoff. I don’t think women should go to jail for it since there is an innocent baby involved who still needs care. But I do think men should be free of any financial obligation for the child if it’s discovered that he is not the bio father after he signs the birth certificate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:42 PM
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A hospital switching two babies in the crib deliberately does not qualify as kidnapping, ime. We can argue about the semantics. The problem with paternity fraud is that it robs a man of his best years, robs him of his resources, and causes him to invest emotionally in some other man’s progeny. If men could defraud women in a similar way, I would still argue it should be considered a criminal act.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:35 PM
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That’s not exactly kidnapping.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:30 PM
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Any rational person would agree that should be a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:28 PM
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I don’t interrogate those meanings because they’re intuitively obvious. Deconstruction only leads to obfuscation here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:10 PM
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I’m not the one who has to clear up any language since you’re the one playing semantic games. I’ll do it anyway. There are many ways to understand a possessive pronoun. “His friend” “her mother” “her husband”. None of these imply ownership. You can’t get rid of possessive pronouns without restructuring language.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:00 PM
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That was a gender neutral ‘his’. It can hypothetically happen to a woman as well. This has nothing to do with owning children. I’m not sure where you’re coming from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:55 PM
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Huh? Are you arguing that there’s nothing wrong with deceiving someone into raising a child that isn’t his?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:47 PM
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The rape comparison was made by the article, not me. Calm down. I agree it’s not comparable to rape, but I would say paternity fraud is a form of sexual abuse. If you agree that someone deliberately deceiving a mother into raising a child that is not hers by switching babies at the hospital should be a crime’s , then you should also agree that paternity fraud should also be a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:01 PM
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Yes. I realized that after someone else brought it to my attention. Thanks for the thoughtful comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:24 PM
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Paternity fraud study: exists. Australian women: Ah, blimey!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:19 PM
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The top answer, from a mod, is that paternity isn’t a matter of genes but of legality. Holy shit, you weren’t wrong. “You’re the father because you’re the father, not because that’s your child.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:13 PM
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I don’t think a pregnant mistress is comparable to false paternity. A woman isn’t investing her time, resources, and love into a child that she falsely believes to be hers. False paternity robs a man of the best years of his life and essentially makes him commit genetic suicide, something for which there is no restitution. A better comparison would be deliberate baby switching at a hospital. I agree that it’s not comparable to rape, but I think it’s a far more serious transgression than you’ve s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:07 PM
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90% of men have upper body strength greater than nearly 100% of women, with only a handful of extreme female outliers being stronger than the average male. The bottom 10% of men are comprised of the elderly and the ill, and are comparable in strength to the upper 10% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:01 PM
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Can you give us the gist?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 04:57 PM
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Interestingly, Germany, along with France, has made getting a paternity test nearly impossible. Too many men were getting them and it was becoming problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 04:57 PM
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I’m a married 35 year old man. I’m faithful to my wife and have not cheated on her, nor will I ever. The early 20 something’s come on to me, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 04:32 PM
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10% seems a reasonable number. I’ve said elsewhere that I think it should be classified as a sex offense of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 04:24 PM
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In what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:51 PM
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I think you interpreted his comment in the most uncharitable way possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:49 PM
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Thanks for the response everyone. I’ll answer my questions as well. 1) It’s hard to tell, but the most rigorous data suggests a rate of around 10%. 2) I don’t think it’s comparable to rape, but I think it should be classified as a sex offense of some kind. 3) I think it would damage society and the relationships between men and women would suffer further decay.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:45 PM
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Truth is right. Truth should be mandatory. But truth is only made public policy when it serves the interests of the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:29 PM
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Yeah. A DNA registry represents too great a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:25 PM
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Personally, I think paternity testing should be offered, no questions asked, at birth. I’m an ethical deontologist, so I don’t believe in concealing the truth even if it does result in societal good. Let justice be done though the heavens fall, and all that. However, most people, especially people in positions of power, are utilitarians.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:01 PM
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I get that impression now that I’ve looked more closely at their website. Pretty scummy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:57 PM
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I didn’t compare it to rape, the article did. I actually don’t agree with that comparison, but I understand the argument they’re making. I thought it was a interesting discussion point, so I thought I’d posit that to the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:56 PM
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A point well made. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:52 PM
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I would agree with this. However, I’ve argued elsewhere in this thread that mandatory paternity testing runs contrary to the interests of society, so it will never be implemented. Others disagreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:51 PM
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I agree with you. I never said I agreed with the article. However, as far as I know, a man can’t just peace out if he’s understood to be father.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:47 PM
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No. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying that we would expect the government to behave like this if false paternity is as widespread as the article suggests. Some others on here have disagreed with that point. I don’t think there is a solution. Socially monogamous species (like swans and humans) tend to have a false paternity rate around 15%. This has been going on for a long time. As painful as it may be, it may simply be some men’s lot in life to get cucked, and other men’s lot to do the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:46 PM
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We’re speculating on the 15% figure given in article. Political parties rule up their base because they benefit from it. The incentive to get elected is stronger than the incentive to maintain order, at least until after Election Day. That’s not the same thing. No one I power would benefit from the kind of societal upheaval I’m talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:30 PM
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Eh, I guess you can debate about when the term ‘mass’ would apply. I’m just speculating here, dude. I think governments are incentivized to maintain societal stability, even if it means concealing things. I don’t know if they’re actually doing it. The only one getting upset here is you. This is a debate sub. If you can’t participate without getting angry, then you should reconsider your participation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:23 PM
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Good point. Thanks your your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:17 PM
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So you’re saying that a revelation of mass paternity fraud wouldn’t cause society upheaval?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:13 PM
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I don’t look like either of my parents, but I look my a face morph of my two grandfathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:11 PM
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Men in France were testing paternity en mass. The government responding by making at home paternity tests illegal. You need a court order to get one now, which in practice is almost never granted. 3% rate is still a big issue, I agree. I’ve argued elsewhere in this thread that governments have a vested interest in preventing mass paternity testing, which is why it’s not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:00 PM
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Good points made. I think the general consensus among genetic researchers is 10 to 15%. That seems high to me too, intuitively. However, a lot of the studies that present low numbers, they sampled from women who agreed to the test (at least in the study I read). I agree that jailing women who commit that kind of fraud probably is not the solution. There is still an innocent child in the picture who needs care.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:57 PM
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Sure, I’ll concede that point. But false paternity is a much different animal, socially speaking, than deadbeat dad-ism. Widespread paternity fraud that isn’t concealed would could serious upheaval in ways that probably aren’t healthy for society. You can’t believe that if, tomorrow, 15% of fathers woke up with the knowledge that they were raising a child that wasn’t theirs, that chaos wouldn’t ensue. This already happened in France. Men were testing their kids left and right. The government was…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:53 PM
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I agree. Forced sterilization is nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:44 PM
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I’m not claiming that the government is hiding the true extent of paternity fraud. I’m just saying that, if fraud is prevalent, it makes total sense to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:42 PM
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There a many benefits to concealing a child’s paternity in the case of fraud, and it doesn’t take much of an imagination to consider them. Here’s a few: Men would refuse to provide for the child. Sure, you could hunt down the real father, who would himself likely resist providing for the child. This consumes massive state resources, even if you could eventually make the bio father pay. The whole thing would be a big societal clusterfuck. Society benefits from stability. If mass paternity tests r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:32 PM
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That’s extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:18 PM
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I don’t think monogamy is the culprit here. Humans are socially monogamous and sexually promiscuous, just like other socially monogamous species. A 15% false paternity rate is comparable to rates in other socially monogamous species. The argument being made in the article is that rape is comparable to false paternity because it’s doing to men what rape does to women: eliminating sexual choice. A man that is unknowingly raising a child that is not his own is committing genetic suicide. I don’t th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:17 PM
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It’s not possible to determine true parentage if the biological father is not known. I don’t think it’s baseless to claim that it’s in society’s best interest to prevent mass paternity testing. It’s just logical. In fact, I’d say lies of that nature are what grease the wheels of civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:14 PM
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It was a real concern in France. Men were having children tested left and right. The government responded by making paternity tests illegal without a court order. Mass paternity tests would be a massive burden on the state. Someone has to provide for the child, and the actual biological father is often either unsuitable or unable to be found. Can you imagine the social upheaval? It’s simply in society’s best interest to prevent as men many as it can from testing paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:07 PM
0

It wasn’t me who suggested paternity fraud is morally comparable to rape. I think the argument is that rape basically eliminates a woman’s choice in who’s DNA she is incubating. There are clear evolutionary reasons why this would be traumatic for women. The argument is that false paternity does the same thing to men that rape does to women. It eliminates sexual choice and is an attack on bodily autonomy. Men are forced into investing time, energy, and resources into a child that is not theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:51 PM
1

You raise a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:35 PM
3

I agree that bio fathers should be the ones to provide for their child.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:35 PM
2

I agree that widespread paternity testing is contrary to the interests of that state, which is why it will never be adopted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:23 PM
9

I read that too. About 25% to 30% of paternity tests come back negative. Those are fathers you suspect something, otherwise the test never would have been done. 30% total is a high number. I would put it at around 15% max. That figure is consumer with other socially monagamous species.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:20 PM
3

Possibly. There have been instances where I thought two different guys were the same guy until I saw them both talking to each other. That was a doozy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:09 PM
1

I responded to your first comment. No need for insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:08 PM
10

Oh God. Yeah, that’s a bad look. However, if abuses by women are under recognized, then it would make sense to have a website dedicated to bringing light to that issue. It may be only superficially misogynistic in the same way that much of good feminism has done, on the surface, appears misandrist. Also, there were some good articles about positive movements for aboriginal and First Nations children in Canada.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:06 PM
8

Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:06 PM
7

I can typically only see the resemblance when I know the child belongs to the parent. If presented with a number of children and asked to assign them to their parent, I doubt my guesses would be any more than slightly better than chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:04 PM
9

That’s a good point. Serial cheaters may be producing most of the bastard children.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:02 PM
6

What is your problem? According to this article, children generally don’t look like their parents enough for resemblance to be detected: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1995/12/14/do-children-usually-look-like-their-parents-study-says-no/7e15eabb-9766-4fea-9097-d6464373021e/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:58 AM
6

That’s entirely possible. I never considered that. But that raises another question: when did the man become aware of it? They complication arises from whether or not he consented to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:53 AM
4

Interesting. I read somewhere that paternity tests require mutual paternal consent, but I may have been mistaken. I figured a paternity test would take more than a cheek swap.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:53 AM
7

I agree 10% seems high, intuitively. I would remark on the researcher who’s female colleagues seems unsuprised by that figure, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:50 AM
13

In most jurisdictions, testing testing a child for paternity require the consent of both parents. In France, paternity tests are illegal without a court order. Also, it’s not always easy to tell if a child is yours when it’s first born. If the child grows up and doesn’t look like you, even having the child tested is irrelevant, since you’re legally considered the father at that point whether it’s your biological offspring or not. Sometimes kids don’t look like either parent due to genetic recomb…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:46 AM
1

Yes. Honesty is always more preferable, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 10:01 AM
1

If there was ever a troll post on this subreddit, this is it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 09:58 AM
7

Right. They weren’t actually looking for a mate. Mates are easy to acquire for most women. They were looking for a plane ticket.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:09 AM
9

The point still stands. Ukraine is not the US or any other western country. The economic and social situations in that country have been fucked for a long time. And, as you yourself said, they were looking for Western men, not local Ukrainian men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:00 AM
6

I think Ukrainian women are in a pretty unique situation right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:34 AM
1

Confidence is knowing you have something that women want, and behaving according to that knowledge. The more you have, the more confident you are. Women want men to have confidence that is appropriate for them. No one wants or expects an average height, average looking, average dick man to have the confidence of a tall, good-looking, big dick man. In fact, people -particularly women- hate it when someone possess unwarranted confidence. Don't let your behavior write a cheque that your SMV can't c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:27 AM
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Because, in my experience, the only people paying to meet the opposite sex are men. Dating services don't work. Women don't have to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 06:20 PM
0

Of course they do. Stop playing the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 06:18 PM
0

Women want men to have confidence that is appropriate for them. No one wants or expects an average height, average looking, average dick man to have the confidence of a tall, good-looking, big dick man. In fact, people -particularly women- hate it when someone possess unwarranted confidence. Don't let your behavior write a cheque that your SMV can't cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 06:11 PM
25

I suspect women have much higher standards than gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 02:25 PM
-2

It's bad energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 11:42 PM
8

I think men are simply judged more harshly for their looks because sperm is cheap and plentiful, so it has to be very high quality to near parity with even a mediocre quality egg from a woman, which are much more rare. There are as many male 8's as female 8's, but a male 8 is reckoned as attractive as, say, a female 6. I think women would generally be shocked to see what a male version of themselves would look like. A female 6 transformed into a male 6 would be damn near suicidal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 11:37 PM
1

Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 10:17 PM
1

What percentage of married women cheat, if you had to guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 09:32 PM
3

Not all sins are equal. And and a transgression isn't made less awful because a lot of people commit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 09:30 PM
6

That is bad and scary, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 09:26 PM
3

Yet research has shown that people still lie even when their lies remain anonymous. I think people lie even in anonymous surveys because telling the truth forces them to confront their behavior in a concrete, imminent way that simple mental acknowledgment doesn't compare to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 09:21 PM
1

Just because some men on here subscribe to those views doesn't mean that OP does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 09:18 PM
1

I agree completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:25 PM
1

I agree. And no, not every vagina feels the same or feels as good as the next one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:23 PM
1

When did I take offense at anything? When did I even mention penis size in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:17 PM
1

Well, if he’s truly small enough that the tongue is a better option, then that’s just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:15 PM
1

In your experience, is average size enough or does it need to be above average?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:12 PM
1

That might be true, but it’s nothing to be ashamed of. No one gets to choose his penis size. If a man with a small penis chooses to rely on his tongue to make sure the woman is pleased, why is that bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:11 PM
1

Yes. Much of it is internal. What point are you making here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 02:01 PM
1

What do you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 01:57 PM
2

Do you mind me asking how big he is?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 01:56 PM
1

What study has a sample size that big?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 01:54 PM
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True. Penis size has a massive effect on female pleasure and orgasm frequency, but admitting that compromises the just world fallacy so many on this website subscribe to, so it’s rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 01:45 PM
1

Not true at all. Even trivial gestures from my wife are amazing and make my whole week.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 04:36 PM
1

This is very sweet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 04:34 PM
2

It varies more between individuals than between genders, but, painting with a broad brush, men are more open minded about abstract ideas while women are more open minded about alternate lifestyles and people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 04:24 PM
1

I suspect you’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:16 PM
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Because millions of years of instinct are hard to override. Women are dissimulative by nature. They’re not doing it on purpose. They have to be that way, they evolved to be that way, because for most of human history, manipulating and deceiving men by telling them comforting lies was the only way they could protect themselves and control their environment. That’s why there is such a stark disparity between what women will say in the presence of men and what they say among their girlfriends. Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 01:36 PM
2

Women orgasm more frequently and more intensely with men who have attractive shoulder to waist ratios, with men who are wealthy, and men who are good looking. That same study found that technique had nothing to do with it. People kick against the goads on this because it suggests that some men are inherently more capable of making women cum than others are. That’s an unpalatable idea for a website that overwhelmingly subscribes to the just world fallacy. To answer your question about why women m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 01:20 PM
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The impression I’ve gotten from young guys is that they’ve retreated into video guys due to their lack of success, not that they lack success due to video games. I don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:45 PM
2

There is massive societal backlash against paternity testing in general. There’s a good reason for that. There’s a general consensus among geneticists that paternity fraud rates are between 10 - 30% of all children born in the West. Other, government-sponsored, studies have shown rates of around 3%, but if you look closely at the data you can see that there was a deliberate attempt to present a lower rate (small sample sizes and selecting exclusively for cases where the man was convinced it was …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:10 PM
1

Not entirely. I’ve observed that someone’s behavior is usually just a reflection of his actually sexual worth. Confidence is attractive to women because it’s an honest indicator of value. Women can smell fake confidence a mile away. That’s why so many will get upset with short or ugly men that act like they’re not short and ugly. They don’t know their place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:59 AM
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There have been plenty of studies that show that looks are primary for both men and women, and that the better looking you are, the more you care about looks. That’s because unattractive people can’t afford to be so selective. As a matter of fact, I read once that personality has no influence on a man’s initial attractiveness to a woman, and that women (and people in general) will ascribe positive personality traits to men they are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:48 AM
1

Yeah, but if the average guy behaved like a guy women actually want, his behavior would be writing a cheque that’s his SMV can’t cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:39 AM
1

I think it depends on the person. I’ve known plenty of guys, including myself, who have tolerated abuse because being single and alone is worse, and we don’t feel like we have any options.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:26 AM
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Eh, I’m not sure I agree with this, but I guess it’s just semantics. To me, Blue Pill is a willing adoption of beliefs that one, on some level, knows to be untrue, but are comforting. I think White Pill is a better term for a belief that is both comforting and true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:18 AM
1

I don’t think I subscribe wholesale to any pill perspective. That’s too limiting. But here are some positions I identify with: Blue-Pill: We’ll call it white-pill, because blue-pill suggests a willing adoption of comforting but false beliefs. Here it is: I do think two people can fall in love with each other and stay in love for the rest of their lives. It does happen. These people are usually happy. Red-Pill: Deceiving men is an integral aspect of women’s interaction with men, especially when i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:03 AM
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My wife used to work in a hotel as a housekeeper. She told me that after we first met, when she was cleaning a room, she got horny thinking about me and locked the door, sat on the edge of the tub, and tried to rub one out while she fantasized about me coming into the room and having my way with her. Apparently, she came in only a few seconds, and after the post-nut clarity set in, she said she felt like a complete doofus for masturbating on the side of a tube in a hotel room while on the clock.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 05:03 PM
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I few years ago, a twenty year old left a note on my desk with her phone number and some hearts on it. She knew I was married, so she was acting shitty, but the fact that she had the massive balls it takes to just stone cold drop someone your number made me respect her a bit. Approaching is hard as hell because all of the “what ifs” collapse into a single “if/then”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:43 PM
1

That makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 05:22 PM
1

That’s a good point as well. But wouldn’t your ambition or lack thereof be an aspect of your attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 05:15 PM
1

Thanks for this comment. It does help to hear affirmation, even if from a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 05:04 PM
2

I agree with you. When things like that happen to you, it can be hard to recover your self esteem. I sometimes wonder if my sense of self has been permanently damaged by my experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:55 PM
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I agree with this. Being aware of these things helps men calibrate their expectations to reality and affords them a chance at a more fulfilling life than they might have otherwise had.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:43 PM
1

To be fair, there aren’t that many women in porn that are on that attractiveness level either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:35 PM
1

On my experience, the shit testing starts after the honeymoon phase ends. There was usually some incident where I expressed vulnerability or insecurity or some other kind of weakness, and then the shot tests started. Mild at first, usually just some gentle prodding at something she thought I might be insecure about. Then, when I failed to respond in the way she desired, it would get more intense. Showing me a dick pic and saying “that’s about the size of my last boyfriend” when her last boyfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:20 PM
5

There was a bisexual woman some time ago who posted on here about agreeing with men that women are much harder to date than men are. Some women on here accused her of being a larping man, so she posted photo proof of being a women. They then proceeded to bully the hell out of her until she left.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 03:36 PM
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I remember reading a stat somewhere, who I cannot for the life of me find now, that women make up the majority of sex tourists by I fairly comfortable margin. It was something like 60%. Yeah, it’s common.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 03:23 PM
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I never said anything about needs, just preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:12 PM
1

Small duck energy might be a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:48 PM
1

That could very well be. It would be hard to gather truly representative data on something like this. But, this is the only data that we have, as imperfect as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:43 PM
4

As I’ve stated elsewhere, a study done by Prause et al found that women’s average penis preference was in the top 5% of size. That means that half of all women preferred penises bigger than the top 5%. Also, women consume far more big dick porn than men do. It was the number one preference for women, but didn’t break the top 10 for men. Porn doesn’t feature large penises for “some reason”, it features them because they’re in demand. The number of large penises in porn correlated to the number of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:41 PM
2

Prause et. al
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:35 PM
3

I mean, you’re right. Women who prefer small penises are a very tiny minority and usually have a medical condition that can make sex painful with bigger ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:30 PM
2

Women literally invented the term “small dick energy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:28 PM
3

Women literally invented the term “small duck energy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:28 PM
3

In the study I’m referring to, women were presented with cylinders and asked to choose which one they would prefer for short term and long term partners. They preferred penises that measured from 6.2 to 6.7 inches, NON bone pressed. All studies are done using the bone pressed method. 6.2 to 6.7 inches is going to be 7 inches and up when bone pressed for most men. Another interesting point, women have been shown to have a stronger preference for above average sized penises than they do for above …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:24 PM
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That’s not true. 7 inches is still in the statistical top 2% even in Europe. Also, it’s mostly women that consume big dick porn. It was the most watched category for women, but didn’t break the top 10 for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:13 PM
1

Studies done on women’s penis size preferences have shown an overwhelming preference for penises in the top 5% of size. They have also shown that basically no women prefer average sized penises, let alone smaller than average ones. Lying to men about what women one doesn’t help anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:11 PM
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Actually, only 1.4% of men have a penis at least 7 inches long.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:07 PM
2

I saw some studies once that said that men who were exposed to high levels of testosterone in the womb were more handsome. High T men didn’t have more masculine features, they had an attractive mix of masculine and feminine features and had more conventionally attractive faces over all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 01:37 AM
2

True. I saw a report that showed that “big dick” was the most searched term for women. Didn’t even break the top 20 for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 05:04 PM
1

5’ 9” isn’t that bad. I’ve been told that I would be more attractive if I was taller (which is probably true), but that’s like saying an average looking guy would be cuter if he was cuter. It’s tautological. Everyone has a mix of desirable and undesirable traits. Even Henry Cavill has bizarrely small hands and short arms, but it didn’t stop him from being cast as Superman. You have to play the hand you’re dealt.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 06:06 PM
1

And she said she was willing to consider a man even shorter than that if he had other desirable traits. That’s the exact opposite of brutal. I mean, her willingness to go for short men is so generous it actually makes her an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 06:00 PM
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Actually, men 5’ and below account for .04% of men. That’s not four percent, that’s four percent of one percent. So statistically rare that a lot of people might go their entire lives without seeing a man that short.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 05:54 PM
1

I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:24 AM
5

I mean, the vast majority of women who desire a tall man will be unable to get one. The demand for tall men far exceeds the supply, assuming 1 to 1 monogamous pairings.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:17 AM
3

I don’t see how it’s a scare tactic if it’s true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:15 AM
4

I think there is a broad human tendency to externalize blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:01 AM
3

I understand now. Thanks for clarifying. I agree there is a tendency for undeserved accusations to get thrown at women about these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:56 AM
3

I’m sorry. I’ve read this comment a few times and I can’t make sense of it. My reading comprehension is failing me. Can you clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:44 AM
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What does any of that have to do with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:39 AM
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Of course. I never argued otherwise and wasn’t ragging on women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:35 AM
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I have this idea women’s less than forthright behavior and dissimulation, particularly when it comes to their preferences in men, is an evolutionary advantageous trait. Women who were completely honest with men lowered their evolutionary fitness, either because men rejected them or injured/killed them. Women who told men what they wanted to hear out-competed women who didn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:34 AM
2

You’re right. They aren’t requirements, and I never claimed they were. All kinds of people have successful relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:26 AM
1

I understand what you said. I just thought you might like to hear the stats because it’s kind of interesting. I wasn’t arguing. I should have been more clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:19 AM
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True. But I haven’t seen anyone arguing that men don’t have these preferences. The argument that women don’t overwhelmingly prefer taller than average men or that the preference is trivial is pervasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:16 AM
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Studies show that men are much more likely to be willing to date a woman taller than them than women are to be willing to date a man shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:56 PM
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Only about 15% of men in the US are over 6’. 6’ 7” is the 99.99th percentile. There are only about 1 million men that tall or taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:55 PM
4

I definitely got punished for this during my brief jaunt in OLD. I’m 5’ 9.5”, but round down to 5’ 9”. I had women outright state that since I claim 5’ 9”, I must be like 5’ 6”. I never bothered trying to convince anyone. I refuse to compromise my integrity by lying, so I never claimed to be a taller height to “correct” for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:49 PM
2

I think this is mostly likely a case of selection bias. Women for whom height is less of an issue are moser likely to post on threads about height preferences. Another problem that is pervasive on Reddit is that comments that align with what the majority wants to hear are upvoted, and it is often the case that women who express preferences for tall men are downvoted and remain unseen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:06 PM
1

Ideal partner: my wife, just as she is now. She’s perfect to me. Ideal self: basically Jack Reacher.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:00 PM
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There is a difference between an ideal and a dealbreaker. However, I was addressing Barneysparky’s points, which were false.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 10:57 PM
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But all the data we have on women’s height preferences suggest that most women want men that are not only taller than them, but taller than most other men. In fact, in one study, the average height differences women preferred between them and their partner was 8 inches. That means an average height woman prefers a well above average height man. This is a good article that explains how women express far stronger and more extreme preferences regarding height than men do. Psychology Today Article
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 10:43 PM
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You’re clearly larping, and probably not even a woman. No woman is this clueless. I’ve had plenty of jobs and I’m married. No employer I’ve ever worked for tolerated emotional outburst from anyone, and someone so much as raising their voice put them on the chopping block. I should have thought twice before engaging an obvious troll, so this conversation is my fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:52 PM
1

Precisely the non-reponse I expected. Larp more convincingly next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:44 PM
1

Those incidents are posted to social media because they’re not the norm. Spectacle draws the audience. No employer in this country that’s worth a damn will continue to employ anyone, male or female, that destroys company property in a fit of rage. It doesn’t happen, so stop bullshitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:42 PM
2

Huh. Never seen anything like that happen nor engaged in any of that behavior myself. Maybe you’re just unlucky? Most people are pretty calm and just get stressed and turn that stuff inward.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:34 PM
1

Dafuk? Where are you working that you’ve seen this? I’ve never seen this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:23 PM
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