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That wasn’t the question. It’s a legal document and it specifically mentions food as a human right. Enforcement is a separate concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:39 AM
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UNDHR, Article 25
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 02:24 PM
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Nerdy tech geek unless it’s Muggsey Bogues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:47 AM
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Nope. I’m with her. Strongly prefer my men 5’7” or shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 12:15 PM
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That’s exactly what beliefs feel like to anyone who has them. If someone says, “I believe in God,” they are not acknowledging the validity of other beliefs; they are saying “There is a God, end-of.” You believe that this is reality. This explanation bodes true for you. But no two realities are the same. Your reality is made up of the sum total of your life experience, and you have defined it accordingly. I’m curious - if were to have a child (or children) who did not want to have children themse…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 03:38 AM
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Throwing this out there OP - on an American-dominated website, this scenario could only really go one way. Woman A is much more common/achievable if one doesn’t live in the US. A lot of people are pointing out pragmatic issues with this sort of life (which, fair), but also… Woman A is literally my sister. Who travels constantly, had a baby last year, and will absolutely have two more AND continue to travel. Everyone in this thread is acting like the two are mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 02:31 PM
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Well, this is one of the stupidest things I’ve read this year. Just because you invoke the term “ancient philosophers,” doesn’t make your point immediately hold weight. There were a lot of so-called philosophers who went around back in the day saying stupid shit like “all is fire” “all is water” because they didn’t have the knowledge to adequately defend their point and just thought it sounded smart. Nowadays philosophers still exist, but there is a higher demand for evidence for claims, so peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 03:24 PM
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That’s crazy to me. And I grew up arguably upper-middle class. But I worked retail and waited tables throughout my undergrad, and I’ve had some form of summer employment at least since I was 13. I am guessing, given you said this is “common amongst people you know,” you live in a fairly wealthy area?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:37 PM
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Bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 03:16 AM
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Hey, Canadian here with an IUD. What’s the deal with getting one in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:56 PM
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To add on (not as dramatic, but still), my Mom got married at 39 and had myself and my sisters when she was 39/41/43. We’re all fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 12:01 AM
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We absolutely need to change how our economic system functions, full stop. The problems described in this post, and so many other societal issues discussed in PPD (bigotry, loneliness, polarization of political opinions, patriarchy, etc.) are exacerbated by capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 10:02 PM
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It shouldn’t. And it’s not. Exposed genitalia is a health concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 07:55 PM
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Men specialize a lot of the body parts of women. So they should be required to cover up Why should women’s autonomy be limited by men’s sexual thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 04:10 PM
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Because the perspective is inherently dehumanizing, and it’s easier to rationalize assault if one doesn’t think of the victim as fully human. It’s a slippery slope argument for sure, but I wouldn’t accuse predators of having the most sound logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 04:11 AM
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Mmmmk pardner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:05 PM
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Why participate in this sub then? If you already believe you fully understand all the answers and won’t accept anyone’s responses in good faith, why troll?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 01:41 PM
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I have deliberately and methodically fucked my way through a number of men. Enough to make any RPer flinch away from my touch. I have been patient and kind, I have stoked egos and suppressed pain. I have been direct and communicative. It’s difficult to find good casual sex with a single partner over a long term. Most people aren’t equipped for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:37 PM
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Can I ask how old you are? Because dating for potential makes sense up to a point, which can be variable, but I think most people 35+ who are looking at others in the same age range would not be wise to date for potential. By that age, people are largely established and unlikely to change dramatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:48 PM
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My standards are identical with the exception of 1 (I’m 5’1” and I’ve dated many people my same height or shorter, never been an issue) and 4 (I can figure out enough stuff for the day to day and make enough to hire a contractor when necessary). What I bring to the table is similar except I’m guessing based on your replies I’ve slept with more people, which would pose a problem for people on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:54 PM
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That unicorn is literally my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 08:50 PM
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You’re missing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:26 AM
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Those sciences which are continuously updating and modifying their methods when presented with new evidence? Because people are always contributing new experiences, concepts, and difficulties to which they have to adapt? Sciences which apply to all humans, regardless of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:09 PM
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More fun = better life Since the person you replied to is not equipped to answer your question, I will. More sex does not equal more fun. I have spent a lot of time fucking guys for fun. And most of them are bad at it. Even with direction and patience. Orgasms and pleasure have occurred with a minority of partners; pain and discomfort have happened with at least 50%. The rest were neutral experiences at best, which still require time, money, and effort. Not to mention that providing direction an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 03:49 PM
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Making space, taking on emotional labour, acts of service, forwarding the social progression of the relationship. Which is not to say that women don’t do the other things mentioned upthread, they do, but you asked about typical “female” wooing behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 04:04 AM
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No, I’m trying to get people to understand that they are using the word hypocrisy incorrectly by calling anything hypocritical. If that’s true, why not pose this question in a sub about linguistics or word use, or even casual conversation? If the substance of the matter is insignificant, why pose your question on a sub that debates relationship ethics and not language use?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 12:14 PM
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Eh. 8 billion people on the planet and huuuuge variation in experience, culture, and paradigms. I think it would be safer to say that people of the same age/gender identity/cultural background/geographic area, etc. tend to be pretty samey. There are not endless variants in taste, but what these posts about all men/all women are really missing is context. If any OP is going to ask about ALL men/women, they’d probably get better/more accurate responses if they also responded with their own context…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:15 PM
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Regret of not having children affects one person - the one who chose to get sterilized. Regret of having children affects that person (the adult who exercised their right to choose) AND the tiny humans who had no choice in being born to a parent who resents them. Why do you want children to suffer being born to parents who resent them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:04 PM
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And to add onto this - you only have access to your own paradigm. Even - maybe especially - if you disagree with someone else’s take, it’s important to be exposed with viewpoints from people that you respect, because it helps us consider subjects from more perspectives than we have access to. If one can only feed the AI information available to them, it can’t replicate one of the primary functions of socialization.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 11:57 PM
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Girls don’t use guys for sex, sex is boring Sucks to be you!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 05:12 AM
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See my other comment, tldr sex with one person =/= bonding.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:10 AM
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I’ve read the studies; I’m thinking maybe my issue here is your phrasing? “Bond” is a huuuuge catch-all term, and absolutely none of the studies I’ve read take into consideration the presence of other stable relationships that are not predominantly romantic. My point is, promiscuous people can bond as well as anyone else emotionally, but have higher standards sexually. Obviously. Edit: Since I’m on the topic, mini-rant - I absolutely detest the studies that consider “bonding” to equate to “only …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:02 AM
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Ahhhh fuck. This is like 90% such a good comment but the more people you date/sleep with, the harder it is to bond with only one person is not the take. Everything else, A+++.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:55 AM
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Hey man, just want to say - I’m a woman who has always dreamed of having a bi man on my arm. We do exist, we’re out in the world, and I hope you find someone who loves the whole human you are. I used to have unicorn hunter hunter in my OLD, but I believe bi men are the true unicorns.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:19 AM
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Not sure it was a party phase per se but: Ages 18-29ish Friend group. We all hung out together, drank together, it was a good time. Not necessarily. I was in an LTR ages 23-28. We had occasional group sex within and outside the friend group, but not often. We were drinking with our friend group and at house parties a good chunk of the weekends, probably twice a month. After we broke up in 2020, I took OLD seriously, explicitly for the purpose of having a FWB who could meet my sexual needs. I lai…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:59 AM
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I’m going to modify a lovely saying here: “Sports are the most important of the unimportant things.” Like you, my boyfriend probably wouldn’t know what his life would look like without sports. It is the basis of is professional life, as well as a key component of his personal interests. For me? I’m crazy into Formula 1 (which isn’t really doable for participation) and I box. Almost all the women I know enjoy some kind of sport. Just got back from a Super Bowl party; half men, half women. Persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:15 AM
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My point is, the average person has more nuanced tastes. I wouldn’t be happy with a cheeseburger everyday or fine food every day. This has been true my whole life, and applies to my sex life as well. The more experience I had, the more variance I demanded. I would never be okay with BAD sex (true even when I was inexperienced; sex that hurts = bad sex), but I don’t want just one kind of good sex either. To bring it back to OP, I’ve actually become easier to please, because my tastes have become …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 03:42 PM
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I completely disagree with this. I cook fine food, I eat fine food, but when I want a greasy cheeseburger nothing else will do. I also don’t eat fine food every day because I have a life and don’t want to drop dead in the near future. “Better” and “less” - you’re using objective measurements for a subjective experience. I’m talking both food AND sex here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:02 PM
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I read something recently that basically boiled down to this: The greatest dichotomy between the experiences of men and women is that women are always objectified and men are never objectified. Being objectified, taken literally, at all times, is a terrible experience for a human. Being reduced to your physicality, stripping away your humanness, is incredibly psychologically harmful. But never being looked at like that - never being craved on a primal level, being desired so intimately and so qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 05:12 AM
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Context demanded it. How often does the context of height preference come up in daily life? I’ve never had this conversation in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:16 AM
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Hi, woman. I don’t like tall guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:06 AM
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It may be easy for women to get laid, but it’s extremely difficult to find a partner who’s good at it. Not all sex, not all partners, are created equal. If one loves having sex, it behooves them to find the best sexual partner possible. That takes time and numbers, but it doesn’t say anything about the value of women that they enjoy sex. Enjoying sex is not a moral quandary, it’s a biological imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 10:43 PM
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That doesn’t mean that women who want sex are bad though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 10:36 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 09:52 PM
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... alright, my brain knows I should let this lie, but fuck it. My partner and I finding each other ridiculously hot is a result of how we feel about one another, not about how society views us. I imagine there would be about a 50/50 split if you asked 100 people whether or not we are attractive. If you asked us, I would say I am a 6, he would say he is a 7. I find all my partners ridiculously attractive, but not all my standards for attraction would be objectively the norm. Like for example, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 07:54 PM
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Awwww, thanks! My life IS incredible!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:47 PM
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Yes, but that's not what keeps us together. We have shared values and plans for how we want our lives to go. We find each other ridiculously, unbelievably hot. We turned a singular hobby into a shared hobby - he likes to box, I had never tried it, I was open to learning. Now we go to boxing classes together, twice a week. Significantly, he taught me the fundamentals, and then I went to some fundamental classes on my own for around 6 weeks before we started doing them together - he gave me the sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:31 PM
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No, but the orgasms are wayyyy better with my hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:46 AM
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OP, I think you’re conflating things that… well, they’re not mutually exclusive, but they don’t necessarily go hand-in-hand. I’m 30 years old. I’ve slept with a lot of people, and I’m proud of some, ashamed of others. Less to do with the people than what I’ve taken away/learned from the experience. I’ve loved two people - my partner, and my ex. I learned a ton from my relationship with my ex, and we are still friends today. I am proud of that relationship, if not all of my behaviour during it. I…
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/22 04:37 AM
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I actually don’t think of it as traditionally feminine per se, but you make an excellent point - looking after children and housework are traditionally seen as “woman’s work” (and are worth billions in unseen value to the economy, since it’s not included in GDP calculations). But kids that are raised with as many helping hands as possible is generally seen to be best for the family, regardless of gender. So why aren’t guys chiming in with how excited they are to raise little ones? Why is it alwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 08:29 PM
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I didn't actually, and I don't think that. I don't see wanting to have kids and be a parent as inherently masculine or feminine. But society definitely frames the *desire* to actively parent as inherently feminine; a position with which I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:03 PM
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Thank fuck the trash is taking itself out of the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:52 AM
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I want to say something slightly oblique on this topic: It’s interesting that whenever the concept of gender roles come up, the counter-examples are invariably some version of “I am/know a woman who engages in stereotypically masculine behaviour,” yet I never see dudes in the comments saying “I’m a guy and I really want to have kids and be a dad.” And that makes me sad, because I don’t think dudes en masse don’t want to have kids (I know many who do), I just think society considers it weird to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:20 AM
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The first time I did anal was not with a casual. I am able to have anal with casual partners because I enjoy it and I thoroughly vet potential partners before I meet them, as well as doing what I need to do to prepare myself for an experience I find enjoyable. I was on Tinder explicitly to find casual partners with whom to have anal sex. Planning and discussion was had. Trust can be established. The idea that women do not have sexual goals of their own or sex acts they enjoy with partners, casua…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 01:58 AM
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A woman that has a non-spontaneous sex drive just isn’t into their partner You’re wrong. Don’t conflate your experience with the experiences of other women. Just because my partner is the sexiest human in the world to me 100% of the time, doesn’t mean I want to have sex 100% of the time I’m with him. I’d be surprised if that’s honestly the case for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 08:02 PM
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Am woman, have had anal with casuals. With casuals =/= no lube and no prep, there is plenty of both, and no where did OP imply otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 07:58 PM
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It is entirely possible to have an orgasm via vibrator without actually having any sexual desire/being in the “mood”, ex. Having an orgasm to fall asleep. This is relatively effortless compared to the high amount of effort sex takes, so sex requires sexual desire in order to engage fully. My relationship with my vibrator is not reciprocal, so no sexual desire required. My relationship with my boyfriend is highly reciprocal, so sexual desire required (I.e. my boyfriend wants me to be physically, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 05:16 PM
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Best comment, wish it wasn’t buried down thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:46 AM
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I’m confused. The examples you gave of “successful people” are Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. That’s literally an unimaginable precedent, not just for average or even above-average people, but the vast, vast majority of people in the world. Is Red Pill saying, follow these steps (hit the gym, frame, etc.) and you too will achieve a type of success so rare only a few humans in history will achieve it? What’s the point in pursuing something so statistically rare even for the genetically blessed a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:43 AM
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If that’s the definition of “success” in this context, the vast majority of people - women and men - are unsuccessful. Even leaving out parasocial relationships, the people who you most desire is still a reference to autonomous people, who may not want to sleep with the person in question for any number of reasons; there are far more reasons not to sleep with any single person, than to sleep with them. Also the time and place you most desire is so laughably out of reach for every normal person f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 04:31 AM
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No, no it’s not. Self-actualization Esteem Belonging Safety Physical
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:41 AM
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It is EVERYONE’S job to contribute to the sort of society they want to live in. Why are you so afraid to call out poor behaviour in other men, yet so confident in doing it to women you’ve never met? What kind of world do YOU want to live in?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:44 AM
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I regret I have but one upvote to give for both you and my favourite comedian of all time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:38 AM
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1) Face and mouth are EXTREMELY damn animate, believe you me. 2) Not every moment of my life should be about commanding respect and empowerment, that sounds exhausting. I’m just tryna command some goddamn cum, shit. It’s totally fine to have boundaries, and express distaste at other people’s preferences. But I do think it’s fucked that you believe that people who are into rough sex are from trauma, because I’m going to guess if you didn’t realize points 1 & 2, you don’t actually know a lot of pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 01:18 PM
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Orrrr being whipped and ballgagged are not inherently problematic, and it’s the nature of consent, and not the nature of the act, that classifies a sex act as wrong? I can’t imagine having such a lack of imagination or experience that one cannot conceive perfectly ordinary people wanting things they wouldn’t. And, to be perfectly clear, I’d always rather get face-fucked by my partner than lovingly raped by a stranger. Actually I just love to get face-fucked by my partner. Signed, A Human Who Doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 04:51 AM
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You said excessive amount. I’m 30. These 6 experiences were spread out over 10+ years. I suppose your standard for “excessive” is “more than zero”? Child please.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:01 AM
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I prefer “pure as a golden calf humping a same-sex porcupine” but the notion’s there, good one pal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:58 AM
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Lol. My ears are my only piercings (the original pair done when I was 7), I have no tattoos, I’ve done hard drugs maybe 6 times in my life, I’ve never dyed my hair. By your standards I should be as pure as the driven snow.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 10:13 PM
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Correct you are! Sorry about that, good looking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:58 PM
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it has zero to do with socializing if you control for socialization At least if you’re going to contradict yourself, try to keep it to separate threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 07:11 PM
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As a woman, imma just throw this out there - the women who frequent FDS do not represent me, are nothing like me, and do not remotely resemble any woman I associate with. And I hope you do not conflate the women there with all women, just as I do not conflate the guys on RP with all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 02:50 AM
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I can’t think of a single thing more masculine than two dudes fucking each other’s brains out. Oooh oooh! An orgy of dudes. … I’ll be in my bunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:13 PM
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male companionship/attention is hyperabundant I don’t understand this way of thinking. Population ratios of men to women in the Western world are roughly on par, usually with the number of women being slightly higher. My theory is that men simply do not see/notice women they deem “ugly,” but then expect women they are interested in to love them for their inner beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:17 AM
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But that’s not how the overall statistics work. The 20% of women having 60% of the sex are not all going to be conventionally attractive, because they don’t have to be. Yet they are still included in this statistical analysis. Which means there’s definitely a subset of women getting laid frequently who men begrudge, but wouldn’t fuck anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 12:32 PM
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I don't know about this one. I think obligation is a good thing in a relationship, something which goes hand-in-hand with commitment. Resentment of said obligation would probably be the silent killer, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 09:55 AM
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You absolutely can, if the entire notion of modern feminism is about choice and the freedom to choose, which it is. The only part wherein this breaks down is when one group is forcing their lifestyle on another, which is distinctly anti-choice. The ideas themselves are different, but the groups of people are not at war.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 11:25 PM
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I have lots of bras. Some fit perfectly, some don't. I wear them for a variety of reasons. And even with the ones that do fit perfectly, sometimes they need to be adjusted. C'est la vie.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 01:13 PM
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I didn't really mean to over-emphasize this. Not that I've ever done any kind of quantitative study, but for my own part I can say that when I do need to adjust, it's fairly minor, usually just shifting the underwire or hiking up a strapless. Not a big deal, but not something I'd do at my desk. Another poster (or perhaps OP) said something about this being done mostly to "emphasize cleavage," and I don't think that represents the majority at all. Sure, with certain outfits, I prefer my breasts t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 02:41 AM
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Yup, I concur with all of this. Special consideration should also be made for bras that are decorative/part of the outfit. That sucks about the eczema, sorry friend. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 01:59 AM
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I'm a woman, I have. I have female friends who has also done this. Sometimes tits need adjusting, it's not that weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 01:11 AM
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I'm all about this. Especially when people have clearly made an effort. When I can compliment people on their efforts, as opposed to natural qualities/traits (nice eyes/smile, etc.), I feel like it's valued more and goes a long way. People should compliment each other more with no ulterior motive. Thank you for being that kind of person. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 11:00 PM
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What if it's deserved?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 01:39 AM
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My boyfriend is 5'6", I've dated a guy who is 5'3". I actually infinitely prefer short guys; easier to grab their faces for a kiss!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 05:42 PM
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No. Not even close to right.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 07:44 PM
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He has no personal or political reason to undermine either gay rights or abortion. I'm not sure this matters, considering the likelihood that the person who he elects to the Supreme Court probably will, if his cabinet picks thus far are any indication. It'd be political suicide. I actually think this is precisely why Trump is more likely to do something about abortion, moreso than any other candidate - he is not and never will be a career politician. He doesn't have to make decisions which are p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 07:41 PM
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To your point about Trump and LGBT issues - the White House page for LGBT rights was taken down sometime after his swearing-in. He may be more liberal than other Republicans on these issues, but he surrounding himself and stocking his cabinet with people who are fundamentally opposed to progressive objectives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/17 04:45 PM
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10/10 single, 10/10 in a relationship, but really different kinds of happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/17 03:06 AM
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Are you Jewish?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 04:23 AM
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Two possible interpretations: 1) "A sexual, romantic relationship is best begun with a friend." I agree with this wholly, describes myself and my partner to a tee (tea? T? No idea). Won't necessarily work for everyone, but I will say that people's feelings about their relationships (platonic, sexual, whatever) CAN change and often do. 2) "Friends should take priority over partners." I actually find there's rarely a situation where this must be true. When ever is there an event that dictates one …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 06:46 AM
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The full quote was Exchange value is determined by supply and demand, labour, and product production which are anything but subjective. Pliable to market demands is NOT the same thing as subjective. A very inelastic good is such precisely because people subjectively desire it enough to keep paying more for it. Or because of monopolization of the market, lack of R&D, annnnnnd marketing! Because we like high standards of living, and I maintain that the desire for that exists outside marketing. Inf…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 02:32 PM
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De Beers did not start the tradition of giving rings in marriage, only the shift to diamond rings. If you reread my original comment, you'll notice I said precisely that. People are also free to walk around topless, 100% of the time. We have social norms and customs (and for some of us, weather) which dictate otherwise. Informal institutions inform laws, which are mandatory, but also our understanding of how life works. I am not interested in taking agency away from people, and I never would. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 05:00 AM
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It's interesting... I'm 24, female, younger than my looks, and don't wear make-up on a day-to-day basis either. I've been greying slightly since I was 16, but I've never dyed my hair. I don't straighten it either, even though my Jew curls have never exactly been in style. And never once have I thought that dying my hair, hiding behind makeup, or SURGERY (that's intense man) would become requisites for me. Ever. Because none of those things conform to the value I place on my looks. You said its h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 02:20 AM
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That... is an incredibly benevolent view of marketing. As well as a simplistic one. I would advise you to look up the origin of diamond engagement rings and the De Beers company for an excellent example of marketing shaping desires and creating unnecessary necessities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 02:03 AM
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I think if EVERYONE didn't wear make up, it would even out the best for us, because then we wouldn't be expected to be falsely flawless. No, it wouldn't. Because the joys of wearing make-up extend far beyond just the face that people put on in the morning. It's artistic expression, it's self-expression, it's a changing of dynamic, and it's not solely or even primarily intended to make someone look flawless. Most people who wear make-up do not wear perfect make-up, by the way. Take a closer look …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 01:57 AM
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of course it's a problem with other women and not me. when you're the only twenty something without a glob of makeup on their face, it gets to you. See how those two statements contradict each other? You yourself said you think you look pretty good without makeup. And that's probably true! So why waste your energy trying to pass blame on other people for doing what makes them happy? Why try to compete when you think you're pretty already? And since everyone is subconsciously aware that no one is…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 10:58 PM
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Actually, marketing does a great deal of shaping the wants and desires of a society. The economy is responsible for serving its participants, but marketing is responsible for creating new desires to promote competitive spending.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 08:30 PM
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eventually I'm going to have to start using it just because everyone else is That's a problem with you, not a problem with other women. Don't saddle others with your own insecurities. If you don't want to wear makeup, don't. Plenty of women look stunning without it, it is not a requisite for participating in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 08:24 PM
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Right. So. If a guy gets pegged by his girlfriend on the regular, he's gay? Cause that's the same logic. Never mind the fact that pleasure is objectively just that, pleasure, and the most alfalfa guy would probably enjoy anal under the right circumstances... that is, if he could get over his misogynist delusions for a hot second. Taking dick still makes you a homo, and similar to a woman, therefore, contemptible. Thank for making it obvious that you are a contemptible piece of shit. Please refra…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 07:17 PM
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... AND tall women often get rejected or aren't approached at all for being tall. If you're going to generalize, you have to see both sides of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 03:15 PM
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What would you suggest for tall women, who experience many of the same problems as short guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:52 PM
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True, but letting it demolish self-esteem and sap one's time and energy, as opposed to just leaning into it, is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 02:51 PM
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Because we're quite enjoying the current state of American misery and you absolutely MUST know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 10:27 PM
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I was talking about casual sex too. I don't remember ever having slept with someone before having a conversation with them, and it's incredible how many ways men take themselves out of the running for fucking by saying impossibly stupid shit. Men on TRP like to focus on the women who seem to say yes to every hot stud who points a dick in their direction, and give no credence to the mountains of dudes they turn down. And no, they're not all creepy mouth-breathing closet dwellers. The whole concep…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 07:53 PM
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Hi, I'm a young woman who prioritizes many, MANY other things that are a million times more important than looks. I am not an exception, nor the rule. Physical attraction is but one consideration in evaluating my sexual and romantic partners. Also, you're delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:46 PM
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OP's theory would work if women found a wider variety of men attractive, but they don't. Right, because physical attraction is the ONLY thing necessary to take into consideration when evaluating sexual partners! Gosh, now doesn't OP feel silly. heaven forbid she make some sacrifice and give him what he wants some of the time, right? Are you aware of a fun little notion called "consent"? Or the fact that doing something sexually that someone doesn't want to do can and does make sense incredibly u…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 05:42 AM
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Something you alluded to, but didn't mention: trust. Particularly in my realm of sexual activities (BDSM), knowing that your partner is going to adhere to the concept of safe, sane, and consensual when you're doing something like bondage is a HUGE factor. And there are certainly some men and women who refuse to engage with a partner at all if this cannot be guaranteed, vanilla sex or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 05:36 AM
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Not necessarily. There are lots of reasons to have sex other than for the sexing. Ask any incel why they'd love to be a woman, and they'll all answer the same - any woman can get fucked if she really wants to. Which is bullshit, but also interesting, because some women (who want commitment) will definitely have sex to make up for all those things that a relationship brings - companionship, lust, physical contact, whatever. Which is NOT a replacement for a relationship by any means, but I'm sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 03:18 PM
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There are lots of reasons besides the prospect of good sex to have sex. Loneliness. Vulnerability. Insecurity. Hell, boredom, curiosity, just plain drunk and want to feel someone's hands besides their own. Or maybe a guy turns a girl on mentally, but skips physical foreplay. Or they're really good mentally and physically, but just shitty at PiV. In any case - There are no umbrella reasons for why 50% of the world does something, because women are not a collective to be branded, stereotyped, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 03:14 PM
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I never said optimism is common. In any case: safety, reputation, and health all constitute reasonable expectations, things that shouldn't - in a perfect world - ever be reason for concern. Having good sex 100% of the time over a lifetime definitely constitutes an unreasonable expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 02:04 AM
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Yeah, IF the guy does the actually mental and physical foreplay. If you were to read the thread, you'll find that a lot of women find one or both to be integral to good sex... and also that most men don't bother. You're an idiot if you think that doing the "deed" well is all that constitutes good sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 01:18 AM
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Sheer optimism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 12:35 AM
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I don't think this argument is relevant anymore. I've seen homeless people begging on the sidewalk who were dressed with a certain amount of style. Yes, style can be indicative of wealth, if you're looking for brand names, expensive materials, and the like, but I've picked up shirts from Walmart that I've been complimented on by people way more stylish than me. Being stylish isn't like being part of some kind of exclusive club, you don't get "outed" for putting a good outfit together when it's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 08:06 PM
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Only Siths deal in absolutes. But seriously, I don't believe that's true. Women have the power to romanticize as much as men, and even if women generally don't enjoy the act itself, they also have the power to enjoy every other aspect of it. There are also probably women who did enjoy the actual act of it - not everyone lost their virginity to other virgins who had no idea what they were doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 02:44 AM
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My lifelong dream was (and still is) to raise the standard of living for everyone below the poverty line and bring the Enlightenment to the parts of the world that still hasn't experienced it. I'm currently in my longest-running LTR with the man I will most likely marry, and my dream has never been (and still isn't) to get married and have a family. Anyone with a brain and a uterus can do that. I want to do things ordinary people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 01:45 AM
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We need more people like you about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 03:02 AM
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Really surprising more than anything else, since we've slept together and he's literally given no hint of anything remotely resembling pedophilia. To be honest, I'd be gratified if sexual deviants found an outlet that allowed them to express their desires if those desires would be harmful to the rest of society. That being said, how advanced is this AI? Enough so that they require laws regarding their consent? It's a really nuanced question, and I don't know enough about sexual psychology to kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 03:00 AM
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HELLS yes. I have a lot of kinks involving group sex/gangbang scenarios that for safety reasons I would be really afraid to try to act out in real life. I imagine for people with stranger/more unreachable fetishes this would be amazing for them as well, they could freely create and explore their sexual side which reality makes unfeasible for them. The only real downside I can imagine (and this is an extreme scenario) is if VR/sexbots overwhelmed our biological need as a species to reproduce, in …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 01:04 AM
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You have a really good attitude. I've seen your posts on other threads, and it would have been odd to mention this in response to anything else, but I have to say, even when I don't agree with you, I still totally respect your ideas. The 'live and let live' attitude is definitely admirable and also a rarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 12:57 AM
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Nope. My parents raised my sisters and I with strong morals and taught us skills that would serve any person well in life. I have never heard them call themselves feminists, although I did get my copy of The Second Sex from their library. They taught us how to respect each other and ourselves and told us how important it is to be a "whole" person, for the benefit of our friends and SOs. My upbringing would have been equally suited to a male, there was nothing particularly gendered about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/16 03:29 PM
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vaginas are gross. Yours included? :P
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 09:30 PM
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This question (and your elaboration, specifically) seem to really narrow the frame of what qualifies as "personality." Personality is so much more complex than just dominant vs. submissive, and those aren't really so much overall character traits as they are situation-dependent. Someone who is always dominant or always submissive would be really boring, at least to me. What about a sense of humour, intelligence, kindness, nurturing, compassion? All the other traits that compose a human being tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 05:12 PM
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Provided said man did not abuse the prostitutes in any way and treated them fairly, none of these are repellent, and frankly I'm not sure why any of them would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 10:16 PM
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Most of the time, when a woman is dating a man who's not all that attractive, she's looking to lock the guy down. Again, would love a source for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 02:13 AM
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Not for very long. They break up very soon. Less often, they marry, and then divorce within 15 years, or subsist in an unhappy marriage. Then you do see it happen. Which must mean that women DO have some motivation for dating men other than their looks, and whether that motivation results in LTRs is irrelevant. Also, I'd LOVE to see some evidence of your elaboration there, it has nothing to do with what I'm saying but if it's actually true I'd be interested. With regard to dating/mating, yes. Mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:13 PM
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You have literally never seen a young woman dating an objectively unattractive man from her own social class? Do you believe the primary motivation for all women before they settle down is to date the most attractive person possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:17 PM
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Besides IQ being a terrible indicator for the broader spectrum of what intelligence is, it doesn't give any credence to things like conscientiousness, aka the quality one must possess to actually get shit done. IQ doesn't mean shit, practically speaking, without observing actual success. Not to mention that the only people who brag about their IQs do so because it is usually their sole accomplishment. Anyone can sit down and take a test.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 05:58 PM
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Oh I totally agree 100%, hell my own relationship is an example of that. Just wanted to put it in RP language and perspective so I didn't say something that was just scoffed at. But yes, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 04:21 PM
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Yup. ALLLLLL of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 04:02 PM
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I'd back that up. There was a thread a few days back about how you may never know someone's n-count if they don't want you to, and that's pretty darn true. Even ballparking it might not be that accurate, given modern social mores revolving around sexual liberalism and most non-religious girls agreeing with that regardless of their personal n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 04:00 PM
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But that's a good thing, satisfaction is ego-death. Which doesn't discount the viability of having a monogamous LTR; it merely means that people shouldn't settle and should always be attempting to improve themselves. So people who have a ton of partners with the goal of having an LTR may in fact be looking for someone who has the potential to grow with them (sexually, physically, mentally, what have you) rather than just be "satisfied" with one immutable person all their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 07:07 PM
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The title is asking about the most repulsive traits you find in women. I'm wondering if you meant that in an exclusionary sense (as in these are traits that are solely in women) or a comparative sense (worse in women than in men). I was curious because you're the only person who's mentioned them, and I can understand where other people would argue their points from a comparative stance. It's curiousity, not a defensive issue. I want to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 01:17 AM
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> Psychological issues. What makes these worse or more abundant in women than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:54 AM
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So while being used for sex sucks, TO ME, it's not nearly as bad as being someone who no one wants to have sex with. This thread is based on how you feel about what constitutes loneliness. Comparing that to how women may feel about it is a false dichotomy. Sleeping with someone does not necessarily absolve people from their loneliness; it may even deepen it, if they are cognizant of how they are being used. At least they may be aware of their position in life, which can be far, far more freeing …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 09:12 PM
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We were dating about 2-3 months before we made the commitment, but had been living together for about 4 months already (he's on a work visa here and we always planned to live together once he arrived). Prior to this, we had been FwB the year we met, so yes to the sex, minus the year where we were an ocean away from each other. He definitely pushed for commitment more than me, I was pretty content to leave it (which now seems crazy to me because we're amazing together, but I've never been particu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 08:12 AM
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The guy I lost my virginity to, now my best male friend (other than my boyfriend). The night I met him I was explicitly told to stay away from him by the girl I was going out clubbing with, cause she had a thing for him. I had never met him before and figured it wouldn't be a problem because she historically had a taste for guys I pretty much exclusively found hideous. Cut to - in line for the bar, friend had ditched, and I was talking to a random guy in line, getting on pretty well with him. We…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 11:03 PM
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the last thing you want is to have someone challenge you What if they're right and you're wrong, objectively speaking? An opposing view can be very useful in finding the best course of action, and no one is right 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 10:25 PM
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I'm totally with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 06:25 PM
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There's a great Louis CK bit about this exact thing, I'm in class but if you google something like "Louis CK rape" you'll get it, might give you a chuckle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 01:14 AM
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That's why I REALLY like the stoplight method, even outside of the realm of BDSM; having "red" for a full stop and "yellow" for a slow down contributes really well to a good sexual flow, as long as a yellow isn't taken personally and is understood that it's not a reflection of what someone is doing, but how or when they are doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 01:13 AM
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That's not actually true. There's more to life than sex and sexual attraction. There's way, WAY more than having a partnership than sex. It is possible to be sexually attracted to someone without being attracted to all of their physical qualities. And the idea that the legitimacy of a relationship is predicated on how badly the partners want to rip each others' clothes off certainly loses steam with couples who are old and wrinkly and certainly not sexually attracted to each other's looks, but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 09:51 PM
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To a point, still not true. Obese women have bodies that are more indicative of fertility than skinny women. Also, obese women were certainly preferred throughout most of the Middle Ages and Renaissance era, where being fat was an indication of being wealthy. Are you going to to tell me that is also based on perceived fertility, considering the biological argument would imply that the preference should stay the same, and yet it has obviously changed? Primitive attraction is irrelevant in the lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 09:37 PM
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They're not, actually. Wide hips and large breasts are far more indicative of fertility. Ever heard the phrase "child-bearing hips"? If anything, narrowness in women, especially in extreme cases, indicates the opposite. My point is that these preferences evolve. This is precisely an example of how they evolve. Not to mention the fact that not everyone wants to have children, so preferences based on fertility would be irrelevant for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 09:10 PM
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Why do men want skinnier women? Those are generalizations that only really have to do with the most basic framing of social interactions. There are socially agreed upon more "attractive" physical qualities for both men and women that, undoubtedly, are at least tangentially related to biological inference. However, in the long run, and with consideration given due to long-term relationships, these qualities are less important as more pragmatic notions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 07:45 PM
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We're talking about two different things. I understand hypergamous and polygamous nature in regards to sexual selection. I'm saying that these influences have far less bearing on partner selection when considerations of the long-term come into account, for women and for men. Because saying things like Partnering with a less dominant male may end up getting her raped and her offspring killed by the more dominant males around her. don't actually have a basis in reality anymore, because statistical…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:39 PM
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Hahahaha no. I was in band, had glasses, always hung out with the other nerdy kids playing euchre at lunch. I had boobs, so that was nice, but I also had no idea how to apply make up and was a bit overweight. I wasn't much into boyfriends, but I still had sex, with fairly attractive people no less. Probably cause I was a smooth talker. Never really care about the fact that I was unattractive, so no one else did either. Now I'm pretty hot, but it still doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 05:02 AM
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isn't really true love. What makes you think this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 04:43 AM
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The problem with this entire argument is that there's no space for nuance. You say "men are polygamous, woman are hypergamous" as though there can be no allowance for deviation from this. Not all women want to be dominated by men, that doesn't make all pussies wet. Even if I imagine you're making a more nuanced argument than the words you are using imply, there is still this underlying suggestion that human beings are slaves to their biology, that we as a species have not evolved, at least in so…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:26 AM
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That is possible in the man's mind, but not in the woman's mind. Are you a woman? Even if you are, do you speak for all women? This is a ludicrous notion. Value does not come solely from comparison, it also comes from inherent merit. Recognizing my partners' strength does not make me inferior to them, nor vice versa. Men don't want inferior women No, they just want to be dominate them, thus automatically, in their mind, making them inferior. That's certainly what TRP seems to say. There is liter…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:36 PM
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Is it not possible, in your mind, for partners to view themselves as equal to each other while acknowledging each other's strengths and weaknesses, even appreciating each other more for them? No one is perfectly equal and I don't think anybody is trying to claim that. Personally, I find the idea of being with someone I thought was inferior to me repellent - actually, I find the idea that anyone would want to tie themselves to someone they saw as inferior repellent. Dominant is not the sole other…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 10:28 PM
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To add to what Cronyx said, a Domme/sub female relationship is not the only place where a woman can be sexually attracted to her mate who she perceives as inferior to herself. A relationship works by partners taking the lead in the fields they excel at, and no one is better than their partner at everything. By saying "this doesn't exist in a sexual relationship," I infer from your comment that you've never witnessed a sexual relationship between heterosexual equals? Whereabouts do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 07:10 PM
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For the record, it's just of my own tits, not of my sisters' (which would be creepy, yeah), but ahhhhhhhhhhyelling's reply is the only one that matters here. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 12:15 AM
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I'm bisexual. I chose my sisters as an example because they've consistently been in my life over the range of years, but yes, I have seen plenty of breasts. I'm not putting a picture of my breasts on the internet. One, because that is a hard limit for me, and two, because I don't need you to verify my words. I'm sharing my experience, not looking for an argument. I'm also not working from memory, I have the pictures. Feel free to call bullshit, I'm sure you know that you're 100% correct about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 11:36 PM
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23 and have two older sisters. The things that make the biggest difference in breasts between those years (17-25) is a) exercise, and b) pregnancy. My breasts look exactly the same now as they did when I was 18. So do my sister's who is 27. My sister who is 25 actually has perkier boobs than she did in her teens because she used to be a bit overweight and then she started working out like crazy and now her boobs look smaller, but she's also crazy toned.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 11:17 PM
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Not me specifically, don't really care if my partner is taller than me, but yes, that's my general point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 07:17 PM
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Short girl, can confirm. Absurdly happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 08:18 AM
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My boyfriend is 5'6", I'm 5'1". Taller guys have faces that are too far away to kiss easily. ;) Just remember, no one knows how short you are. And as long as you don't make too much of it and there are other qualities you champion, no one will care. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 08:16 AM
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This thread pertains to the likelihood of getting pregnant, not the likelihood of giving birth. Regardless, I disagree. Women who don't want to have children can be pressured into it, by religion, by society, by family. There are plenty of women who don't want to have a baby who are forced into it. Otherwise coat hanger abortions wouldn't be a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 06:27 PM
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Birth control fails. 2 forms of birth control can fail. The only 100% effective method of birth control is abstinence, and sex is fun, so fuck that shit. Sure, if a girl does go bareback and gets pregnant and is all, "Why me? How could this have happened?" I'll treat her with a certain level of disdain. But that is simply not always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 01:03 AM
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It cannot survive outside of a womb. You say basically a person, I say basically a tumour.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:59 AM
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Abortion shouldn't be allowed because women should be forced to deal with an unwanted an unintended consequence which can have the effect of ruining not one, but two, three, even more, lives? Newsflash: the countries in this world that aid female autonomy through measures which allow them to choose whether or not they get pregnant and at what time are the best countries, the most developed and industrialized. Abstinence should not be forced on women just because they don't want to be mothers at …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:57 AM
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Wow, already a good Jew!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 06:33 AM
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You'd make a good Jew. There's a set of prayers Jewish people are meant to perform every morning. For men, one of the prayers is thanking God for making them a man. The corresponding prayer for women is to thank God for making them in his image.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:11 AM
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Awesome use of the word "qualia," it should be definitely be in everyone's vocabulary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 02:52 AM
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Yuuuuuup. This times a thousand. Plus it's more difficult to advertise bisexuality than homosexuality, so a lot of bisexuals are unfortunately straight-passing and people approach them under the presumption they're straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 06:06 AM
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Canada, the UK, Australia, and other such exotic and strange places lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:29 PM
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Just because you don't like the origins of the term doesn't mean it's not accurate in this framework. I wasn't referring to the subtext or implications of it at all, nor was my motive to compare Red Pill to feminism or any other group of ideas. I was going with just the base definition, meaning it applies across race, class, etc. Didn't even mention gender dysphoria.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 04:31 PM
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All men? If so, intersectional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 03:40 AM
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Okay. What demographic is Red Pill geared toward?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 02:07 AM
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Personally, I call them "extremist victims." I appreciate your assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 04:55 PM
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Where? Like, if I don't believe there's a patriarchy in the US, but I do believe there is one in Singapore, and I define it accordingly (filial piety, adherence to hierarchy, etc.), then what? I learned that in a comparative politics class. I don't think it's particularly feminist to say that patriarchy exists in the world; it is, however, slightly ludicrous to suggest that the same patriarchy that is in S-E Asia also exists in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 04:49 PM
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Lying about anything to make someone date you is bad. It represents a gross level of insecurity on the part of liar, who does not want to find someone good for them, but wants someone in particular. I don't think lying to make someone date you is uncommon, but yes, it is bad. People lie about all sorts of things. It is, however, INCOMPARABLE to rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:48 PM
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I would hardly equate non-consensual sex to lying about one's N-count, especially if it's a one night stand. Her N-count is non-consequential to you if you don't to plan to wife her, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 07:51 PM
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Ummmm... maybe keep that urge in check if it's non-consensual.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 07:47 PM
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It's not actually. The OP admitted in an edit to having a limited understanding of what cuckolding in reality vs. cuckolding on TRP means, but even the fetish cuckolding does not actually mean there are zero orgasms; that's based on the boundaries of the given relationship. But the point I'm trying to make is that engaging in fetishes in general means that something other than the orgasm is motivating the pleasure for sex, and the fetish population, while a minority, is not one to be ignored to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:27 PM
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No one said it has to be without orgasms, simply that that is not the the sole intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:18 PM
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Whereabouts it that? I do see that OP does say that sex is enjoyable EVEN if they don't cum. Which makes perfect sense to me. Orgasm is definitely part of sex, I think the idea is that orgasm is not the point of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:17 PM
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Jacking off is physical Well, yeah, but people don't masturbate solely when they need to, sometimes it's out of boredom, or procrastination, there are any number of reasons. As to orgasm being not necessary to enjoy sex, I would agree with OP there. Do you enjoy the act of sex itself? Is having sex a race to the finish line? I think the idea that sex is about the orgasm implies a very narrow interpretation, otherwise every man would attempt to have an absurdly short session that would only culmi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:31 PM
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Fetishes =/= porn. Also, haven't you ever jacked off without porn? Or anything except your imagination? Or turned on by something deviant or not even sexually presented?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 03:46 PM
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They may be a physical thing, but as with many fetishes that subvert regularly scheduled reality, the fetish can (and often does) arise without any physical contact; that desire is purely mental. People with tentacle fetishes rarely get to actually fuck tentacles, so them physically existing is irrelevant. Macro- and microphilias are much more common than you might think, but again, can only be truly recognized mentally. But even leaving aside all of that... are you really trying to tell me that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 03:27 PM
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Wait... so are you telling me that TRP doesn't believe in fetishes? Particularly those like macrophilia or tentacle porn or other things that literally don't exist without a mental interpretation of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 02:39 PM
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Even 10/10 women know instinctively that the guy who is her match in looks is superior to her because there are only a handful of men like him in the world, and so they offer their bodies for these guys to pump and dump. See, here I'd disagree with you. The numbers for 10/10 are pretty much equal, considering how rare they are for both sexes. A 10/10 woman already gets plenty of attention from 1-9, she doesn't have to offer anything to get what she wants. She can afford her selectivity. I also t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 12:50 AM
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It is possible to maintain that all men have privilege on account of being men, while also believing that women also hold privilege, though of a different kind, on account of being women. I certainly believe that. I prefer the term "advantage," however. Every single group in society, whether across gender, class, disability, race, you name it, has certain advantages, whether natural or constructed, as a result of the group they belong to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:08 PM
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I find this quite interesting - you actually have a better idea of what women want than /u/cats_or_get_out, in my opinion. The "hardwiring" that she claims (young) women have for commitment isn't nearly as pervasive anymore as it was a few decades ago. Whereas I would say everyone, including men, crave attention from their desired sex. Your generalization is far more spot-on than hers. I would also argue that being a pump-and-dump is a form of attention that actually is fulfilling for quite a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:01 PM
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Well. This is where this conversation ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 01:59 AM
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Is there a reason women are exempt from that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 01:49 AM
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Physical coercion = forcing someone to something they don't want to do = euphemism for abuse. You posited that women use emotional manipulation and implied men use physical coercion. Would you care to suggest an alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 11:42 PM
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So basically you're saying that the only ways to win an argument with a spouse when there is a disagreement is through emotional manipulation or physical abuse. Nice dude. Yeah, you're perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:14 PM
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I'm a bisexual woman. Let's get to work! Average-looking women: [1], [2] (I specifically picked this before/after because there were some comments about how most women are more attractive after they slim down... whereas to me Raven Symone's pretty much the same.) Hot women: [1], [2] Average-looking men: [1], [2] Hot men: [1], [2] Bonus old-school NBA comparative shot. Centre, Mark Cuban: 4-5. He's got creepy eyes and a weird face. I feel like he should possibly be good looking, he's just... not.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 11:46 PM
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none of them (are) attracted to weakness, indecisiveness or laziness. Not true actually. You can't say "none of them" about 50% of the population. There's definitely a domineering female out there who would want exactly that in a partner, seeing him as a constant challenge, and would not want him to change as that might threaten her superiority. Just. Stop. Generalizing. Women. Please.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 10:51 PM
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Of course people change! And they should, because no body's perfect, we're all constantly evolving. I probably should have said something along the lines of, "If what she used to love about him changed when he no longer had his career, she was attracted to his career, not him." Because yes, it is likely we see people in a different light when they make major life changes (although I imagine TRP's argument is that women see men in a different (read: negative) light when they capitulate to demands…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 10:47 PM
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If he's not the man he used to be, he was never that man to begin with. If everything that makes a man exciting and attractive is wrapped up in his career and he can't be the same man as a father, he is doomed to begin with. Nor should he have capitulated to the demands of his wife if pro racing was what he still wanted to do, he could have found a middle ground no doubt. The strength of a relationship is finding a compromise, a place where both partners are happy and not resentful of their spou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 10:30 PM
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Nahhh, this is a bit of fun. I watched the first video and a bit of the second (the wife in the second video looks like she would be super antsy at any situation that made her the least bit uncomfortable, so besides that), and honestly, professional race car drivers for the win. Personally I think that looks like a ton of fun. However, these men, as illustrated, are professional race car drivers. There is no such thing as being a professional spouse or having a guideline for being a professional…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:32 PM
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I have heard from numerous sources that friendships into relationships is a minefield and dangerous game, with a lot of unrealized veils. For some people, this is true. I would even say this has been true for me before. If at first you don't succeed and all. Seriously though, don't avoid what could potentially be something awesome because numerous sources warned of a "dangerous game." In any case though, 4 months is still a honeymoon phase which is usually only surface scratching (and without kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 12:49 AM
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I think successful relationships have give and take on both ends. In all the really successful relationships I'm aware of (my parents, 3 of my siblings, two of my married couple friends, and I'm defining "successful" here to mean married and together for anywhere between 3-27 years), there is no definite "leader" and "follower", so to speak... they acknowledge each others' strengths and weaknesses and act accordingly so as to optimize every situation. Just seems pragmatic to me. My own relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 07:42 PM
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I do all I can for him. I think of things we'd like to do, plan for them, and we do them. He does the same for me. We enjoy doing things as a unit and we can enjoy things independently. We cook for each other, we buy each other little things, we surprise each other. We treat the other as we would want to be treated, take cues, listen intently, never interrupt, never shame, question for the purpose of improving or understanding. When we disagree, we discuss it thoroughly until we come to a full u…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 07:11 PM
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They wouldn't have a reason to hide it from me. Girls don't bother hiding things like that from other women, mainly because, as most women know, a good relationship is not predicated on the number of people someone has slept with. Someone's kill count in no way defines how they will behave in any single relationship. I'm not a princess. My boyfriend treats me like a queen, and I treat him like a king - we're partners, equals in every way, who love and support each other. When anyone treats me or…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 06:49 PM
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Honestly, the thing that kills me about TRP is the blanket statements and classifications that don't actually fit a single person I've ever met before in my entire life. I can get behind the general self-improvement advice, but I've never met a single woman who meets any of their definitions of what women are like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 05:44 AM
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My point is, weed is quite readily available here, and my government has never enacted a false war on drugs, so I'm good on that front. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 10:33 PM
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if you like weed, you are good to go. You understand I live in CANADA, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 07:21 PM
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Unless I win the lottery and get to retire to San Diego, fuuuuuck that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 04:08 AM
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Whoops, no idea why I thought that since it's obviously wrong. Reeeeeally need to double check my facts before posting on reddit. Thanks for being a kind corrector! Also, you saying "it is the best we have" is such a sad and true commentary on the state of affairs of data collection in Canada. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 11:27 PM
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I've been thinking. I was just curious about u/max_peenor's assertion that it would make things "so much easier." I found his answer unsatisfying. That's an awesome fun fact about Quebec, I can't believe I never knew that! And I'm Canadian too. I do know they have the lowest divorce rate of any province. I SMELL A CORRELATION! :P
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 11:08 PM
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wanting to end gender roles (and dismissing the people that like them), or thinking that gender is a social construct I consider myself a feminist and these ones are the WORST for me. There are very, very obvious biological components to gender. Being feminine/masculine and the traits associated with them can be absolutely wonderful things. I have no idea what the problem is. We live in a society (in part, thanks to the feminism of old) that allows us to choose to accept or reject these traits, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 10:27 PM
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Call the post office/drugstore and let them know someone else is picking it up. To be honest, that isn't (at least for me) sufficient enough evidence that changing a last name would make life easier, but thank you for your reply!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 09:39 PM
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Can you tell me how taking the name makes things easier? Honestly it seems pretty unnecessary to me, just a traditional thing that may have inherent value to us as people but no actual value. It's like the paperwork version of an engagement ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 06:48 PM
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To echo what others have said: pro-sex work, pro-regulation to make it safe for all participants, making it illegal is a remnant of a far bygone era. But I don't think knowing people's pills on this will necessarily indicate anything. Reddit in general is a pretty liberal place when it comes to sex and there are a lot of good reasons from both the red and blue pill perspective for sex work to be legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 01:25 PM
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My Mom has an undergraduate in English, her Masters is in education, and she also has a bunch of associated teaching degrees. Her degrees are from the Canadian equivalents of Ivy Leagues. My dad has an undergrad in philosophy and an MBA. Both of my parents are incredibly intelligent people, which I suppose is what happens when one is spending all their free time reading and doing crosswords. I guess I'm purple pill. To be honest, I never really thought about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 12:55 PM
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I'm a woman and I am cognizant of them. I certainly don't pretend to speak for all women, but I would argue it's difficult to go through life without any communication with the opposite sex, and many of these struggles are apparent, in particular the last one. That said, I do think people in general have gender-based expectations that, from a personal view, supercede the recognition that it is a struggle to meet those expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 07:14 PM
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This is a very valid point for both men AND women. Women who don't know how to control and deal with their negative emotions without dumping them all out on the table are equally unnattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 10:38 PM
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Orrrr not every woman fits into your enormous generalization. I also enjoy clothes shopping and own 40+ pairs of shoes, am I still a tomboy? Also, American football sucks. It's a sport designed to suck the most amount of money out of its viewers for the least amount of gameplay. Try rugby instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 01:23 PM
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I like women's soccer. There's a physicality to men's basketball that I infinitely prefer to WNBA. Come olympic time, I watch women's and men's sports equally because Canadian female athletes are BOSS.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:07 AM
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Meh. I'm a girl who loves MLB and NCAA because I grew up watching baseball and basketball (used to love NBA, then the Nash-Nowitski-Finley trifecta split, sooo...). For me, sports equate to great times drinking and enjoying immense talent with family and friends, the same as going to a musical or any other show is. It's entertainment, pure and simple. The fact that the players tend to have fantastic arms is a great bonus, I'll admit. But it's not what I pay for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 01:34 AM
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Right, because every comment in a thread is always related to the OP, and should be. Your conflating human qualities with a specific half of the species, totally on topic. Yup. Totally dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 04:49 AM
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I think there's an issue in this thread of people conflating being hit on with being complimented. Giving someone a compliment does not and should not have an end game to it, other than perhaps to improve the other person's mood. I compliment people all the damn time because it makes them smile and I enjoy making people smile. On the other hand, hitting on someone has an end goal - you want that person to go on a date with you, have sex with you, etc. And in this endeavour, it does pay to be rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:11 AM
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Because he's empathetic to the feelings of a person he knows he will have to reject? A person he knows he will have to hurt? I think that's was just a good quality for people in general to have, is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:04 AM
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Perhaps this is simply a matter of numbers... as in, women get asked out by men far more than men get asked out by women, so there is far more opportunity among women to respond in a rude manner than there is opportunity for men? I mean this as a response to both you and /u/Frensel.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 04:53 AM
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I think you might be talking to the wrong sort of people, because that doesn't describe the feminist ideology at all. It might describe some members of the feminist movement, but the movement =/= the ideology. It's important to be able to distinguish between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:57 PM
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Southeast technically... India's not directly below it, but still below. I wasn't looking at a map at the time, just going by my (not-perfect, but relatively accurate) mental map.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/15 07:34 PM
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By the exact same logic, shouldn't people in general stop condemning feminism for the actions of a few misandrists who are holding the movement captive? TRP suffers from parallel problems feminism does - the ideology, which is inherently amoral, is most vocally supported by people who have extremist views, leading the general public to take a negative view of the ideology in general. It is human nature to conflate the loudest voices with the truth, erroneous as that may be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 07:33 PM
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I will preface my response by saying this is ENTIRELY a personal opinion. I identify as a feminist but I have no idea what feminism has to say on this topic. To that end - Islam is an ideology, and when examining an ideology it's important to take an amoral approach (not the same as immoral, TRP should be familiar with this concept). Islam itself does not teach violence and it's a separate entity from many of the acts carried out in its name (most religions and - whoa, feminism! - should be rega…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 07:29 PM
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Playing a part belongs on the stage and not in our lives. We all do this, to a certain extent. Every time we hide our real emotions or compromise for the sake of a greater good, we're playing a part. But I agree - to embody a role entirely, to pretend as I did, was a low point for me, even as I was making someone else happy. It's for sure a really difficult situation, I'm just trying to be as optimistic as I can. But your view of it is a pretty accurate framing of my state of mind right now. Oh …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 04:38 PM
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especially when they're foreign to me. YES. 100x this. You seem to understand my reasoning - if I ever wanted to try to pursue a relationship, I had to take the best opportunities that came my way. I've since changed my point of view, and am now looking inwards for the best indications (although you may have had a point that people are not even authorities on their own lives). Life with them was exactly the same as friendship, only with more expectations. And a LOT more affection, which I actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 04:56 PM
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I don't really subscribe to either parent sub, but I like PPD. You don't really see the debate of ideas on either of the parent subs, because the subs are subscribed to by people with similar views either way. Thus nothing is contentious. But I'm far more likely to learn something new from someone I disagree with. Edited for spelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/15 02:55 AM
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The questions are great! They're indicative of someone who is trying to understand and learn, two things I always encourage. :) I entered the relationships because these men were... I don't know if I can adequately explain how amazing these people are. They truly made me believe that my own trepidations about having a relationship were nonsense, that life with them would be more, better than I could have imagined. I was wrong. I'm still open to the idea of a relationship at some time, but I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 09:20 PM
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I am not good at commitment. I dislike monogamy and find it highly impracticable at this point in my life. I have also never "caught feelings" in the same way I find others do, so I've been the breaker of relationships thus far. Which is sensible, since I never wanted one in the first place. Both relationships (I've only had two) ended with us unable to have a friendship; one ended immediately, the other continued as FwB for a couple months until my ex finally understood that it would never go b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 07:53 PM
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The only times it hasn't gone well is when I was convinced a relationship was necessary. The relationships lasted about 4 months and ended in tragedy. So from my perspective, it's my system that works, that keeps people from getting hurt. Whether that's true of people in general doesn't matter much. I'm able to keep the friendships afterward because a) all of these people were my friends first and stayed my friends primarily, and b) they were all capable (as I am) as perceiving of sex as an acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 10:26 PM
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Good quote, very accurate, but the whole point is that there is no love here. Well, not the sort of love that abandons reason. I don't try to embark on these relationships without knowing someone well - I'm a pretty good judge of a person's capacity to handle a relationship like this. Judging by my experience on reddit (not that that's relevant in the real world) I am an outlier to some degree. I don't expect to be able to do this indefinitely without hurting someone, but so far no missteps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 10:20 PM
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It's been going on for my entire sexual history (about 7 years), minus the 8 months I've spent in 2 relationships. For the first 5 years, I had one partner, the man I lost my virginity to, like this on-and-off, between his own relationships (we stayed friends and would resume fucking between). During those formative years I had occasional hook-ups with some others in an attempt to establish the same kind of relationship, but those either went back to just friendships or faded out when I realized…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 05:55 AM
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I think you're confusing "equality" with "equity" here. It is both good and possible for a diverse group of people to be equal to each other, but it would be difficult to give different people equity (the quality of fairness or "sameness", very different from equality, particularly in a political/judicial context) and the world would not be better off for assuming equity was either necessary or achievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 04:08 AM
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REALLY? That's all? I confess myself curious about your thoughts on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 03:31 AM
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I do, and you may! The short answer is that I don't really have either, but rather something in the middle - friends with benefits, but with a heavy emphasis on friends. None of the restrictive trappings of a relationship and monogamy, but intimacy with people I trust and can confide in. I'm also not capable of a committed relationship, emotionally speaking, at this point in my life - believe me, I've tried, and I've watched amazing friendships go down the tubes as a result. To be truly vulnerab…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 02:26 AM
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*men, I'm not a relationship gal, but your words are encouraging. I seek to bring others pleasure as fully and often as I can, so this will be an easier compromise for me to make now that I know, if not fully understand, its significance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 02:15 AM
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Lol no worries. I'm sexually submissive and I've enjoyed the pleasure men get from facials, but I just can't get into the mindset of enjoying them for myself. Even if we exclude the make-up bit (which is really not a big deal for me, I tend not to wear very much make-up anyway and it usually comes off as soon as I get home)... have you ever gotten anything in your eyes that has a high salt content? Now imagine you wear contact lenses (yes, I'd take them out or switch to glasses if I was forewarn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 10:38 PM
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Can I ask something? What's the deal with facials? I LOVE cumplay, it's a pretty big fetish for me; swallowing, licking it off/out of someone, etc. But facials seem like a HUGE waste of cum to me, because it gets cold and mixes with my make-up, not to mention the danger of it getting in my eyes. I would just go wash it off and be sad watching it go down the drain. :( Is it just a visual thing for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 07:53 PM
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I agree 100%. I wasn't responding to what you said, your statement doesn't exclude mine. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 02:14 PM
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Some girls probably do, but I would also argue there are girls who reserve certain kinds of sex acts for guys who earn it, which is in my opinion totally legit. There's a minimum acceptable standard for ALL guys they fuck, and that standard gets higher depending on how much trust is required to make a contentious sexual act safe, sane, consensual, and fun for everyone. Sometimes, it's not the guy, it's the act itself. But yes, I think we're mostly in accord.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 05:27 AM
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That makes sense. Still a bad strategy for finding the best partner IMO, since the best possible partner for a vanilla woman would be a guy who's into the same things and wouldn't demand more, regardless of their social value, but I see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 03:25 AM
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But then how would any woman who acquieses to things she doesn't actually enjoy find someone that's good for her? I understand it's not the reality of the market, but the more women capitulate to demands, the more they're reinforcing what isn't actually the norm, no? It just seems illogical to me. Also, since women tend to have a lot more options than men in the marketplace, shouldn't they not have to do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 02:55 AM
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And she's saying that women in the aggregate should be conscious of their own agency and not capitulate to market demands if she wants to find something worthwhile, no? I think that's legit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 02:17 AM
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This seems to be a common thought, but I disagree with it. I approach sex with varying hard and soft limits. Two men I've been with have been able to turn hard limits into soft limits, because they took the time to learn my limits, understand why I objected to them, and create an environment I felt safe and comfortable trying them in. If we're speaking purely of women who are willing, and then not willing, to do things during a first sexual encounter with someone they don't know well, then yes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 02:09 AM
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Why can't both members of a relationship be breadwinners?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:17 AM
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I'm glad that you've had such positive experiences. I wasn't going to say "They were probably faking" or anything like that, how would I know better than you? The only thing I would note is that having sex is a pleasurable experience even without an orgasm. As someone who has been with a few guys who couldn't make me cum for shit, but got everything else right, I know that to have a great sexual relationship, an orgasm provided by someone else need not be a guarantee. Besides, I am responsible f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/15 06:46 PM
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Also, unlike how oral might be better than sex for some guys, getting a dick often feels better than getting eaten out for girls. What. The vast majority of women cannot cum from purely P in V sex. Unless you mean by "satisfied" that an orgasm isn't necessarily as satisfying mentally as the actual act of sex is, which I suppose could be true. Or that women who are insecure about being eaten out would necessarily enjoy getting a dick more than being eaten out, which would make sense. Your stateme…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 11:25 PM
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Your experience =/= reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 11:23 PM
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You know, this is the first response with solid, credible evidence I've received that has made me question what the ideology of feminism values. I know of Reimer's story and had assumed that most people who ascribed to Money's beliefs had had their opinions changed by Milton Diamond, who later reported the actuality of Reimer's personal identification. I think Money's refusal to recant her beliefs shows more of a personal problem than a problem with feminists in general, but I see your point. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/15 05:51 PM
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Can't argue with that! Then again, I'm not stupid enough to argue with a philosophy major extensively in the first place. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 11:57 PM
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Sorry I'm coming to your post so late, just wanted to say, great comment! I also followed your link and I absolute LOVED what you had to say about public safe spaces and objective vs. subjective circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 11:49 PM
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Promoting people such as Carol Cohn and Megan Mackenzie who challenge women being excluded from combat positions because of the myth that women can't fight, which is inherently detrimental to men and women both, for obvious reasons. I also am earning a degree in a program that helps me to better understand people who do not have the same advantages I do. Even if I can never truly empathize, because I have never been put in their position, the best I can do is learn, learn, learn, keep listening …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 11:35 PM
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Hehe never study social sciences. "Social right" is a very real and important term with lots of implications. I agree that the road to equality has been paved with shitty people. But there are good people too! Check out Carol Cohn, she's a writer who talks about the harm of women being kept out of the military and how it negatively affects both men and women. These are the people I try to promote and give credence to, but apparently being logical and moderate are not very sexy. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 11:31 PM
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Oh hi, I'm a Canadian and radical feminist! But I should clarify... I take radical by its actual definition, meaning that I want to change the system at a fundamental level. It does NOT mean that I am a man-hating TERF and I really don't like being conflated with them. It's part of the reason I made this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 11:27 PM
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Sorry for seeing this so late. I ABSOLUTELY understand this and have actually argued this several times. This entire post is about separating the movement from the ideology - because the ideology is fundamentally good, but the movement is being held captive by people who hurt men under the guise of feminism. I don't want to give them the leg of feminism to stand on, because hurting men is NOT fighting for equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 11:23 PM
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I agree with all of that to a point, since I think aspects that makes getting on in society shitty for women are literally embedded into our biology. I also don't think "getting on in society" easier is something we can rely on activism to solve. Not to say we shouldn't try to overcome that, of course. I don't think of myself as trying to play both sides, but since you're arguing views I already hold, I think I'm coming across that way. I'm going to have to review the comments I made.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 08:16 PM
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How about we don't have MRAs OR FRAs? How about we just have human activists fighting for equal rights for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 08:08 PM
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That doesn't mean feminism works against men. I never said it did. I think feminism could work for men if systemic changes were made. Like how the reduction of the importance of gender roles would change the dating game and make it less onerous for men and women alike. TBH I don't agree that women get the short end the of stick in general, I think men and women alternatively are stigmatized and that feminism can help to eliminate some of that stigma. never mind the horrible treatment that women …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 07:28 PM
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what rights are not equal between the two currently? Depends. Here in Canada, in terms of legislation, women and men are equal, but we are not under the eyes of the law, which still regularly deems men unfit for custody of their children in a divorce, regardless of whether they'd make the best parent, or gives a woman leniency on the basis of the fact that she's a woman. It's very difficult to generalize about this because rights change depending on where in the world we're talking about, and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 07:06 PM
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I'm not excluding radicals at all! I am a radical - I believe there needs to be fundamental change to the systems that exist in the world. Radical =/= extremist, though an extremist can also be a radical.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:54 PM
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No. Don't conflate individuals with an ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:52 PM
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Social and political equality for men and women. The solutions don't have to be gendered; strides made for equality is a win for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:50 PM
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That's exactly what I'm saying. I want to be associated with it. Feminism has accomplished some amazing things. I'm fighting to NOT have to give away this meaningful title, so I can continue to contribute to all it has achieved.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:19 PM
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Historically, it has necessarily been advocacy for women in the Western world because that was where the changes needed to be made. There's nothing wrong with that. Today, in the Western world, women are empowered to be their own advocates to fight systemic problems which enforce inequality. But elsewhere in this very large world we live in, it is still primarily women who need advocates. That isn't to say that men don't need advocates as well; everyone should be fighting for human equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:18 PM
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Brands carry a powerful meaning to the layperson, because most people are apathetic to understanding issues beyond branding. If we brand crazies as crazies (see: Extremist Victims), then the branding might have a powerful effect in highlighting exactly why these people are wrong and why they shouldn't have the indefensible "women and men should be equal" ideology to fall back on, because they themselves don't believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:16 PM
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The larger part of feminism doesn't, because feminism is about social and political equality for everyone. And it's not the responsibility of feminists to fight for men's rights. It's the responsibility of everyone to fight for human rights. If I see inequality, I call that shit out, regardless of who the victim or oppressor is in a given situation. By talking about "women's rights" and "men's rights", we are gendering what should be a genderless debate, because men and women should be equal. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:13 PM
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How about we stop trying to argue that men OR women are generally "less privileged" in the Western world, because we live in developed countries and privilege is a relative concept here. Sometimes I am more privileged than a man, sometimes he is more privileged than me. None of this is what feminism is about, and by conflating the two you are giving power the the extremist victims who insist on an us-vs.-them mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:10 PM
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Hells to the yes I'm privileged. I'm white, upper middle class, female, living in a developed country, able-bodied... I can't even BEGIN to enumerate all the ways in which I'm privileged. Which is why it's that much more important for me to fight for feminism - NOT for the modern, Western woman, but for everyone else. I study development, do you think I give a shit about people who already have their own autonomy and agency? It's necessary to reclaim the title of feminist because the world is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 06:08 PM
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"we're gender-based (female)" The word feminism is a throwback to its origins, not a descriptor for the entire ideology. Which, yes, is about equal rights for both men and women. It is NOT the responsibility to fight for men's rights or women's rights, but for equal human rights. When we try to genderize the debate, that is where we fail. By keeping the name feminism, I am applauding the efforts of my predecessors in the battle for gender equality and giving myself a platform upon which to fight…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 05:59 PM
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Egalitarianism is about a lot more than gender equality and it's not synonymous with feminism. Some women ruined feminism, but those people are who the majority thinks about when they hear feminism, so they are what feminism means now. Yes... and the whole point of me posting this was saying that this shouldn't just be accepted lying down, because it's obviously not true. People suggest the change from feminism because real people felt uncomfortable and unrepresented. That was really funny for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:28 PM
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The "reality" you refer to in your link are observations about what some people calling themselves feminists have said or done which you have then inflated to be representative of an ideology. What an ideology is, is an inherently separate notion from who its followers claim to be. For the record, anyone thinks men and women being "equal" is the same as them being the "same" is a moron IMO. Obviously we have different biological imperatives that alternatively strengthen and weaken us. The people…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:21 PM
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Feminism describes a gender-based fight for equality; it has a long, well-established history in that regard. Neither egalitarianism nor (especially not) humanism is synonymous with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:05 PM
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The idea that women have it worse than men is such an over simplification and generalization. Privilege is a relative concept, in particular here in the Western world. Which leads me to... That they're the "primary victims" of sexism in the world This is still true. Patriarchy isn't the big, bad, men-hating-on-the-ladies-and-keeping-them-down system that an extremist victim might claim, but patriarchal tradition is alive and well, particularly in East Asia where it is used in order to inflate do…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 04:03 PM
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You're equating "radical" with "extremist" and they are not the same thing. I am a radical feminist. I believe the system needs to be changed a fundamental level. That is what radical means. If people call themselves feminists but don't support the idea of equality (not the feminism "I like", just feminism in general), are they really feminists?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 03:59 PM
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"It was about being a free, responsible, self-determining being." This line and this video generally taking feminism out of the Western World context were great. I share a lot of the opinions she expresses in this video and will definitely watch some more, thank you for sharing!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 08:30 AM
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If you're equating the "Motte" here with the people I would term extremist victims, I would argue that they don't have defensible views. The only reason it seems defensible is because the "defense" is to scream hate louder than their opponents. Doesn't the Motte have to have defensible views for the Bailey-Motte strategy to be applicable? probably even less numerous I have no idea how you arrived at this conclusion. How is it even remotely possible that extremists outnumber moderates in any ideo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 08:24 AM
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As a feminist, I agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 06:49 AM
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This is such a wonderful analysis. I normally dislike using any and all generalizations about men and women to draw substantive conclusions (though I understand its necessity), but this does an amazing job of describing the relative desires of men and women in terms of desirability. Also I like your username - for using the whole nom de plume thing, and because when I first saw it I read it as "nomplum" and for some reason it made me think of an adorable squirrel going to town on a plum. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 05:56 AM
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Makes sense, thanks for the response!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 05:16 AM
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OMG thank you so much for introducing me to that sub, it's absolute GOLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 04:03 AM
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I... err... what? I wasn't being sarcastic with my second paragraph. I'm being serious. I would never raise a child with someone I thought was inferior to me. I don't think any one should have to if they don't want to. No one should have to do anything they don't want to. Honestly I wasn't trying to force my perspective, I didn't know she expressly wanted marriage as well as kids and my comment stemmed from that ignorance of her personal desires. Nor did I see your other comments in this thread …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 02:16 AM
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but with regards to mental/psychological matters If I take my view of feminism, the most basic view, the belief that men and women should share social and political equality, then the group we can call "feminists" becomes so freakin' huge (or at least, I hope so), that it becomes nigh--impossible to generalize about them. As for the people who identify as feminists (obviously a whole 'nother matter) and would argue that position, or really anyone who would argue that position... I mean, if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 01:40 AM
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Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but why can't a woman do that while being single? Oh wait, you probably agree with this point of view and she is uncompromising, right? Sigh indeed. Why someone would even want to raise children with someone they view as inferior is beyond me, so from that perspective, I understand her frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 01:18 AM
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Do feminists in general actually believe that men are the exact same as women? I'm a feminist and I would NEVER espout that belief. Feminist fights for social and political equality, which isn't the same as proposing that men and women are inherently the same... If all someone wants is sex, it's not like sex is a difficult thing to get. In fact, if the goal is for sex alone, I would actually promote TRP philosophies, since some of them have apparently been successful in this regard. But in terms…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 01:11 AM
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Same here. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean they're a bad person, or really even wrong. The world isn't black and white. It's very refreshing to hear this point of view from anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 01:07 AM
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Hehehe and the same in return! That being said, if I learn something new, all the better!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 12:54 AM
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The Dunning-Kruger effect is not an absolute for all the "smart" people out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 12:53 AM
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If she doesn't want to lower her standards, she could just be single. Nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 12:52 AM
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He said it was an anecdote and therefore by the Rules of Reddit would be unlikely to be taken seriously anyway. No problem with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 12:51 AM
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You're a good mod, I like you. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 12:49 AM
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I feel very much the same. Can I ask you something a bit personal? You don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you decided at some point to make it your goal to get married, but you couldn't find a mate who you would deem "smart enough", would you stay single or settle?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 12:47 AM
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No one is entitled to any sort of partner, but people absolutely have the right to be discriminating with their choices. If their discrimination ends with them being single, that's their problem. If their discrimination ends with them "settling" (from their perspective), then they were dumb enough to follow the mainstream thought that being in a relationship automatically means they would be happier than being single. Actually, now that I think about it - if society as a whole didn't put such a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/15 12:41 AM
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The statements aren't mutually exclusive at all. Saying you would put a hard limit on some things, but your sexual preferences change for other things, is totally normal and reasonable. In fact, that's why practitioners of BDSM "hard limits", "soft limits", "would like to try", etc. categories - to determine exactly how someone feels about all the MANY sexual acts that can be performed and try to respect their boundaries. Something can move from one category to another - a "hard limit" can becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 05:44 AM
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Hooray for this much-needed dose of reality. Everyone could use a bit more of that from time to time. People don't make their big life choices in a vacuum, ignorant of everything around them. They make their choices, hoping they are the best ones based on the evidence and available information they have. If their choices stand the test of time and do not become something regrettable, they chose... wisely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/15 05:24 AM
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Oh yes, I don't know her but I recall the controversy over the nail varnish. Personally, I think it's a brilliant idea. But that is because I distinguish responsibility from blame. How it it akin to rape apology to provide women with more ways to take responsibility for their own safety? Rape victims are never to blame for their rape, regardless of whether they take responsible actions to avoid questionable scenarios or not, but it is smart nevertheless to be responsible. You'd think that would …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/15 12:39 AM
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Who's Valentini and what's a multi-line defense?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 10:30 PM
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I was joking, for all the reasons you described, and I'm aware of the sad relevance of it. I thought that was obvious. Sorry. And like I said, moderation tends to win out in democracies, again for the reasons you listed (the similarity of Obama/Romney is a great example of that, although Obama tends to stick to his convictions whereas I found Romney to be quite the flip-flopper). P There is no utopia, nor is there a catch-all solution. I agree there shouldn't be a political bias and that is a hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 10:22 PM
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Yup. They hold views I don't agree with. They probably also hold views I do agree with. Germaine Greer in particular has written some things I have absolutely loved and some other things I have vehemently disagreed with. The most I can do is try to contradict specific instances of their views and to decry immoral acts, regardless of the context. That book sounds like an interesting read, I'll have to pick it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 10:14 PM
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Very interesting articles! I would say to sum up the basic point of both is that millennials understand individual racism and see how it is negative, but there is an effect of not understanding institutional racism, nor why having institutional responses (such as affirmative action) are necessary. I would definitely agree with all of this, but I still don't think the appropriate response is to shut down freedom of speech and expression. Instead, as with most societal issues, the proper response …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 10:08 PM
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Yeah, but the people who are protesting Dr. Taylor's shirt aren't seeing it in the context of SF or them being SF women, they just see scantily clad women on a shirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:59 PM
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It was a wee bit harsh, but no worries mate, you returned to the conversation and I'm happy to have it! :) In terms of solving the problem... I firmly believe that, when it comes to political elections, if you present the crowd with anything more nuanced than a rousing cheer, you will face your fight alone. People aren't interested in complexity and intersectionality and context even though life can't be properly understood through generalizations, which makes electing a genuinely good leader a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:52 PM
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Yup. The problem is, she couldn't QUITE say anything along the lines of A without insulting the very people she was claiming to support, sooo...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:47 PM
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Meh. I don't think a lot of my personal views are agreed with within gender feminism, or feminism in general. I don't claim to espout feminist beliefs necessarily, just that I am a feminist. My beliefs are my own. People who call for other people to be massacred do not deserve an ounce of my respect or attention. The fact that they are I assume being held up as examples of "true feminism" is deplorable and I will speak out against it if I encounter it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:45 PM
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But isn't a way to achieve a culturally egalitarian society to act like we're already in one? Wouldn't that push incidents like this simply to a matter of personal opinion and offence? I understand we don't live in a vacuum and the world isn't like this, but I think we could achieve a lot more, not by silencing or denying aspects of society we don't like, but rather by protesting it, as many people did here. Freedom of speech and expression are the tools to achieving a more egalitarian society a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:40 PM
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I think the people who are hearing that without taking that opinion with a grain of salt are idiots. I'm sorry, but they are, just as idiotic as Mary Daly is (she's also totally sadistic and immoral. I say this solely on the basis of that one line. Anyone who holds those views is a terrible person, full stop). If people cannot conceive her words as being absolutely void of any morality, they're idiots, plain and simple. Because the world has progressed the point where calling for mass murder is …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:37 PM
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Ohhhh I see what you're getting at. I think the reaction of "Oh - you want us back NOW as slaves?" is a little harsh, but again, I see what you're getting at. Allies and slaves are not the same thing. The ideas she was advocating for are decent, it just had the effect of coming across as really one-sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:29 PM
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Sorry, I need some context. I know who Rose Eveleth is, but what did she actually say in regards to this matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:27 PM
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So what? How does that change the way it 'ended'? Not to mention the fact that it's really easy to look at the past and point out the moral issues with a set of beliefs from a more evolved point of view. At the time, the people who led the Nazi movement weren't a bunch of quacks and racist viewpoints were believed to have a biological component. This doesn't mean the people who believed this stuff were bad people, simply that they were acting on the evidence available to them at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:21 PM
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Oh it DEFINITELY is not, because then we're saying that he was involuntarily forced into a position that determines what clothing is and is not appropriate for him, restricting his freedom of expression. NO ONE who doesn't want to be a role model should be forced to act like one. Not to mention the fact that there's no 100% perfect role model and to suggest those are the type of people others should look up to is really detrimental to people as a whole. Wouldn't it be better to say that Dr. Tayl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:17 PM
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I... didn't really understand any of this comment. "bikes, fuck off, the fish don't need you" ??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:16 PM
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Hence why there are no shirts like that with men. I wasn't debating her motives, simply illustrating that the shirt exists. Whether it exists as protest isn't really relevant here, but I 100% understand what you're getting at. Still, if society as a whole decides that scantily clad men and women are just nice to look at, is there really anything wrong with that? I think that's basically where I'm coming from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:14 PM
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However, his shirt was made by his female best friend, so he wore it to thank her and promote her... I knew that, actually. A very sweet and kind thing to do, and I have no objection to his motives. That doesn't change the fact that the shirt is not appropriate work attire, generally speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:06 PM
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In what way is Dr. Taylor a role model for children? Specifically, did he sign up for the job, or was that image placed on him as someone who is exceptionally well-educated and has an important occupation?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:04 PM
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Kelsig, meet Kathleen Hanna.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:02 PM
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I agree. I agree STRONGLY. The concept of gender bias existing before the law at all is automatic bigotry and should not be tolerated under any circumstances. Umm - tell that to the people who ended up in Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka, Buchenwald, Belsen.... I want to laugh at the irony of "die out eventually" but that probably makes me a terrible person. What I will indicate is that Nazism went from being the actual political system of a serious country to being a fringe belief only held by wide…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 09:00 PM
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I'm a reasonable feminist. I'm decrying it in social media. I've done so in other, more public forums as well. The other reasonable feminists might be picking their own battles, or - probably more salient, as it applies to any ideology (not religion) and not just feminism - people feel uncomfortable decrying their own people if they are obstensibly on the same side and fighting for the same things. I understand that, I sympathize, and then I tell people to do what they think is right. I have no …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 08:48 PM
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Hence what is needed is for the "moderates" to call out the "extremists" in front of news cameras etc. I could not possibly agree with you more. EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN ANYTHING, TAKE HEED: Fundamentalists are people who take what could be a beautiful thing way too far. If you think your belief system is worthwhile for everyone to, at the very least, learn about, call fundamentalists out on it and do NOT let them get away with that behaviour. I get the sense of your second paragraph. To that I …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 08:37 PM
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Ehhh, I wasn't so much referring to something as formal as a "dress code". I was just trying to say that, in terms of the general definition of what constitutes appropriate work attire, that his shirt was definitely not. If the ESA has no problem with it or the publicity it has necessarily attracted, neither do I.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 08:23 PM
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... which is why all adherents to the Muslim faith are seen as fundamentalists, I assume. It's the same logic. The problem with the activism/lobbying interface is the dichotomy between volume and validity. As my man George Jonas once said, "It isn’t silent majorities that drive things, but vocal minorities. Don’t count heads; count decibels." It makes sense that the driving force behind a movement are radicals, because radicals, by definition, are the people actively trying to create changes in …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 08:18 PM
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Some feminists say those things. Some feminists believe men are inherently at fault. Feminism demands nothing. Feminism desires political and social equality for men and women. That is the only legitimate generalization of feminism, in terms of a definition. Everything else is a No True Scotsman argument. What YOU think the MOVEMENT might be like, or how SOME feminists behave, is not indicative of the entirety of the ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 07:18 PM
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The women on the shirt aren't being objectified. The women taking offense to the shirt aren't being objectified. Just because people take offense to something does not make it objectification. The only problem with his shirt is that it is inappropriate business attire and he shouldn't have worn it to work. That's it. Inflating this to an issue of objectification implies that women at large need to be coddled like children so their feelings aren't hurt and speaking personally, I'm not really down…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 07:14 PM
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I'm a sex-positive feminist and my only problem with Dr. Matt Taylor's shirt is that it was inappropriate to wear to work. The people who think his shirt qualifies as blatant objectification are prudes. They may also be feminists as well, but that's not why they're complaining. Also, his shirt has nothing to do with sex positivity or negativity. It's a bunch of scantily-clad women on a shirt. People taking offense to something doesn't make it an actual problem, nor does it make it reflective of …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 07:11 PM
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