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Not according to any financial report I have seen in our current economy. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/40-of-americans-one-step-from-poverty-if-they-miss-a-paycheck/
/r/MensRights25/10/24 02:19 AM
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I feel like I am much more informed on the feminist movement as an active participant, and yes I do genuinely believe feminism cares about equality. And I have never heard of feminism suggesting men are protectors or providers. I have heard many feminists specifically address how that is unhealthy belief system and women need to be financially independent and learn self defense, to be their own provider and protector and NOT to be dependent on men. Provider and protector rhetoric is patriarchy.
/r/MensRights25/10/24 02:17 AM
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I don’t beleive talking it out works in many cases. If it did woman wouldn’t be called nags. But sure try having a conversation first, and if he still refuses to cook his share of dinners or fold his share of laundry, I think divorce is best. Bonus points if you discover that he’s lazy before getting married. And to be honest, I think the conversation argument is a cop out. Why do you feel it’s up to women to make a man carry his own weight? Is he not an adult? A man has eyes, he can look around…
/r/MensRights25/10/24 02:13 AM
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I’m not following your point there but am going to try to find common ground. If you are more comfortable with saying that a man shifting his personal responsibility for things like laundry and meal prep to his partner who Doesn’t want that additional responsibility makes them incompatible instead of acknowledging the additional burden that would have on her, reducing her time and availability to pursue things that she enjoys, so that you don’t have to touch the word oppression, I’m OK with that…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 07:53 PM
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I don’t think most families can afford a full-time maid to handle all of the cleaning, daily meal prep, child, rearing, and laundry. A more economical solution would be for both partners to chip in and help out on the things that need to be done around the house.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 07:27 PM
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I would say then men should also do the internal work do decenter women. This is why feminism is good for us all. Just like women have to learn to set boundaries and men can support ending misogynistic ideas, the same can be done, vice versa. Men also should learn to set boundaries, and women, especially feminists can and do advocate for women to not count on men for financial support and instead prioritize their own careers. All of the ideas that you stay in here disliking , are all based on pa…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 07:24 PM
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OK, so then we can agree when a woman says that she does not enjoy doing all of the house responsibilities herself and would also like to come home and relax after work in the same way that her husband gets to, that is valid.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 07:11 PM
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Wouldn’t we have seen the other side of it when we were not single mothers? Being married for 12 years, was me seeing the other side of it, and seeing that it was not a good deal. This is why I said, I understand why it would be so hard for men to cope with divorce because I watched my ex-husband have to struggle with being responsible for himself for the first time in 12 years when we got divorced and it was incredibly challenging for him. It made me understand how much I was enabling his perso…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 07:09 PM
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The peer pressure of realizing she’s accepting behavior that she doesn’t enjoy and could end through vocalizing her needs? So to be clear, your argument is that women find housework relaxing, and do not enjoy resting to watch TV, And any variance of this is due to peer pressure?
/r/MensRights24/10/24 07:02 PM
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I am just wondering where you see man, hating in women taking responsibility for themselves rather than relying on men. You may feel like men have always been decentered in the society, But many women, including myself, were raised to prioritize, a male centered relationship as a focal point in their life. So when I say decentering men, I am referring to women on an individual level, prioritizing their life around things that align with them personally, And removing men as a focal point. And I a…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 07:00 PM
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You don’t believe that husband’s who report feeling nagged by their wife’s to help out around the house, would support the idea that women don’t in fact find it relaxing to do everything by themselves at home? That correlation doesn’t make sense to you?
/r/MensRights24/10/24 06:47 PM
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That statement you made expressing your belief that women are just unable to be satisfied is an example of how I came to that conclusion earlier about your dislike of women. I have found the most satisfaction in prioritizing myself, and my children, and centering our lives around our desires. Once I learned to stop prioritizing men or seeing value in essentially how good of a sidekick I could be to men my life drastically improved. And that sounds like such a simple common sense thing, but it wa…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 06:17 PM
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Feminism has saved me, and I asked for that. It saved my children, and they asked for that. In these posts, many men and women are asking for solutions to these common problems, and feminism provides solutions to many of these issues. Women learning to decenter men and prioritize their well-being, to advocate for themselves and to take responsibility for the outcome of their life has had a positive impact on women, but it has also had a positive impact on removing some of that unfair responsibil…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 06:06 PM
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In this hypothetical which mimics many women’s shared experience, the woman was expressing her stress because of the additional workload at home that her partner is not contributing to. This suggests that she does not find it relaxing. I did not find it relaxing . I have heard multiple women say they don’t find this relaxing. I have heard multiple men report feeling like their wives are nagging them to help out which suggests those wives don’t find it relaxing either
/r/MensRights24/10/24 06:00 PM
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lol, so she’s doing laundry and cooking dinner to unwind? That’s your statement. How do you explain all of the women who are outright saying they don’t want the unfair domestic labor split anymore. They want to come home and have free time too?
/r/MensRights24/10/24 05:58 PM
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I don’t see the correlation between the happiness of single people, male or women, and the statement that men benefit from having someone else do their laundry, which earlier you described as the feminization of of a household. It makes sense to me that single men would be happier in a society designed for them than single women would be in a society designed for men. I don’t know that women will ever get that level of satisfaction, even if they just started living in a dirtier house to try to m…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 05:51 PM
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I had a brother who married a woman who did not contribute to the household and yes, I also advocated for him to get to a divorce. They should both have time to relax after completing a day of work. And if that’s not possible because domestic labor required to be done around the house such as cooking dinner or doing laundry, they should both participate in that. if either one doesn’t then yes I believe that’s unfair. And I would advocate for somebody to get a divorce if their marriage is not goo…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 05:42 PM
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So you disagree with society? Can you give an example of how you feel women get excuses for convenience but men don’t? I just listed several of them, and now you are distancing yourself from those statements that you made saying you don’t believe them. You said them though, and said them as fact. As a fairly active feminist, I regularly witness men’s issues brought up by feminism and how patriarchal standards negatively affect men as well, which is why I’m so aware of these statistics, because t…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 05:34 PM
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Significant factor, OK, but it doesn’t address the base conditions. if I see a friend who is constantly stressed about her workload while her husband comes home and sits on the couch, I would support her getting a divorce. And my support can have a significant impact on her having the courage to do that, where is if I shamed her for being unhappy with that situation, she might be more likely to accept it, so I understand, sort of where you’re coming from, but the base problem of her doing the ma…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 05:15 PM
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The link does not give me access to the entire article only the first page. And considering it was written in 1987, it wouldn’t be applicable to show that divorces today are because of peer pressure.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 05:00 PM
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So this is where I am requesting the context. I understand that you are saying people eat out so it’s not as many meals prepped, but what I’m not understanding is then how that correlates to the original point of the meals eaten at home primarily the women’s responsibility, And that responsibility is a greater responsibility both time and effort when compared to mowing the grass. Your original point was that those are an equal contribution. And no matter how far off-topic we get, none of it supp…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:57 PM
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You totally lost me with this one - so you believe women are complaining about domestic labor inequalities, but also want domestic labor inequalities? And they are accidentally falling victim to peer pressure and divorcing their husbands, who are also having this terrible time with divorce, but don’t get back together for some reason despite everyone being happier in a marriage where she works and does most of the daily labor because she likes that? Is that the narrative? I genuinely am not unde…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:51 PM
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I beleive you said it was a joke, in your prior comment….
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:32 PM
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$10 per meals x 3 meals a day =$30 per day, x 7 days a week = $210 a week for the groceries, which still has to be cooked.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:31 PM
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Sure, and I would say the divorce statistics and all of the conversations women are bringing up about inequity in domestic labor, supports that my opinion is shared by women. Is it your opinion contrary to that? What does that look like? Do you believe women want more domestic labor, or prefer partners who aren’t engaged in their daily life?
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:29 PM
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Her being happy with it, doesn’t change the fact that it was only permitted by male peers as a joke
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:25 PM
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Because you are saying she wasn’t able to push through any social norms, she was only permitted to by men and as entertainment to them.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:19 PM
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$10-15$ per meal is still significantly more ($210/week per person) and still has to be cooked, than the biweekly cost of mowing paid monthly.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:18 PM
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Could you please state your source on that one? The source that says divorce was peer pressure? I was the first in my friends group to divorce my long time husband. I think it’s true that when my friends saw how drastic the improvement to my quality of life was, several others got divorced as well to improve the quality of life for them as well. Is that what you mean by peer pressure? It’s been 7 years since I got divorced and my life is objectively better and I am happier. I would say the same …
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:15 PM
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So let’s fight to change those social expectations!
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:10 PM
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They should have a societal obligation of mutual satisfaction yet many women don’t regularly experience orgasm in their sexual exchanges. “ Prof. Kontula found that in 2015, only 6 percent of women said that they always had an orgasm during penile-vaginal intercourse, 40 percent said they had an orgasm nearly always, 16 percent of women had an orgasm half the time, and 38 percent had one infrequently. A total of 14 percent of women under the age of 35 had never had an orgasm from intercourse.” h…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:10 PM
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I agree, these are major problems. It makes sense to me that a man who is used to receiving all the benefits of “feminization of a household” that he doesn’t contribute to, would feel depressed after that ended. It also makes sense that a man who views his partners requests for help as “nagging” would feel blindsided by a partner he wasn’t regularly communicating or checking in with on the health of their relationship. These are perfect examples of how feminism could help men reduce these negati…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:05 PM
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I don’t understand what I have said that is radical feminism? When you say made the comments about how you felt forced to interact with women in order to have the benefits of being attached to a woman or the negative tone about women pursuing convenience, or that you believe women are just bored with relationships, or several of the other things you said, that suggests that underneath it all, you don’t like women, which is why I came to that conclusion. When I heard the things that the MGTOW men…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 04:01 PM
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No, I actually never heard about it from Feminism. I stumbled across several of those men on social media and my view came from them. I actually can’t think of more than one time I have even seen a feminist mention MGTOW, and it was on Reddit.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 03:31 PM
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Sure. But I didn’t think that’s what we were discussing. I thought the point we were discussing was how unequal the typical gender splits of household labor was, and you were saying it wasn’t unequal. I was saying that in general, if a woman like myself becomes single after living with a man, she may lose things like him mowing the grass, or shoveling snow, but that has far less of an impact on her then it does when he loses things like all of his meals prepared and laundry done, and bathrooms c…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 03:29 PM
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I am being objective. We are talking about the average value of Services and there is no situation in which mowing lawn once every other week some months is equivalent to meal prepping 2 to 3 meals a day 5 to 6 times a week.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 03:17 PM
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Wouldn’t that further the point I am making?
/r/MensRights24/10/24 03:02 PM
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Yes, we are on the same page. These things are outsourced.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 03:02 PM
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I would agree with this.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 03:01 PM
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Exactly. This is the point.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 03:00 PM
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There is not a single market where regular mowing a lawn twice a month costs more than someone coming into your home and cooking all of your meals. Be real.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 02:59 PM
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But it’s not subjective. Mowing service costs $70/mo, while a cooking service would be $470 week +groceries (based on where I live) and objectively those are two different price points. There is no market in this country where the mowing service is going to more expensive than the cooking service.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 01:50 PM
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I didn’t suggest they are largely misogynistic, I suggested there are enough of them that I personally run across them on a frequent enough basis that I have changed my behavior for safety. It sounds like enough women have also personally experienced this enough to shift behavior on a larger scale.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 01:44 PM
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No but 34% of Americans rent, with that number rising, and About 27% of the U.S. population lives in a community association, which includes condominiums, homeowners associations, and housing cooperatives. Of those, 35–40% are in condominium communities. Which means a significant portion of our population doesn’t deal with that at all. And a large part of the community that does own their homes still contracts out those services because they are so affordable and accessible. Same with changing t…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 01:41 PM
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Possibly I am just summarizing what I have witnessed them saying, as in what they are putting out there.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 01:30 PM
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I mean there are a lot of violent misogynistic single men out there, that women regularly come in contact with. I’m a contractor and I come across them all the time, especially if they find out I own the company. It can get hostile quick, and I usually don’t share that info for that reason. This doesn’t mean all single men are this way of course, I come across many great men as well. But there are enough that I have changed my behavior to keep myself safe, and that warrants discussion.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 01:29 PM
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Those are occasional low value tasks compared to the every day time intensive tasks like laundry and meal preparation. You can have someone mow your lawn every 2 weeks for $70/month for a handful of months out of the year, but you could never hire someone to cook all the food for a month for $70/month because those two tasks aren’t equal. Plus a large chunk of people rent or live in condos with many of those maintenance services covered by HOA.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 01:25 PM
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Sure it came from the UN https://www.un.org/en/ecosoc/phlntrpy/notes/clinton.pdf lol, this assertion that women don’t pay taxes is wild. Like I literally just finished paying my insane tax bill from 2023 this month. Especially since you earlier said women were responsible for the majority of spending. In addition- the pink tax references how women pay more sales tax because of higher prices on female items.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 01:21 PM
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Women typically have a higher standard of living for themselves, doesn’t equate to women like doing laundry.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 01:12 PM
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Maybe you should just change your dating preferences? And you don’t have to do any of that. If you don’t enjoy spending time with women, you don’t have too. If you feel it is a hassle to entertain them because you don’t enjoy the mutual exchange of conversation or don’t know how to engage in that, you totally don’t have to. You don’t have to have sex, you don’t have to go on dates. You can say you would like to split dates financially. Overall it seems like you are upset because women don’t meet…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 01:10 PM
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Yes, it does mean that they aren’t doing anything. That is exactly what it means. That women get easily bored? Or that men don’t put effort into learning about women’s bodies and put forth the consistent effort to give women the same satisfaction that women give to men? I asked you point blank what women needed to be accountable on and then you said nothing it was feminist. Then I asked you what feminists, and you didn’t answer only said “am I blind”.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 12:59 PM
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Apparently I am blind. What feminist are in power that have influenced every government decision . What are their names? What government decisions were made because of them. Let’s get specific.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 12:55 PM
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That’s some high quality PR right there. In return she got the right to have her husband manage her property? Her husband became her legal guardian and you are trying to spin that as a positive? And the right to live in a house is a reasonable trade off to you? Next you will tell me how wonderful it is that she had the right to cook and clean for them, and service his sexual desires. There are thousands of stories from this era of how unhappy women were in these situations, how they were abused,…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 12:53 PM
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An example of one person who made history by pushing past social norms and through previously perceived obstacles does not demonstrate that equal opportunity was available to all women. In fact because it became historically important, suggest the opposite iMO.
/r/MensRights24/10/24 12:46 PM
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Same principle applies. If she has to be responsible for it, obviously she is going to wield more “power”. In my opinion, most women would prefer partnership and a partner who is actively engaged in their daily life enough to be a trusted decision maker. And actually I find it surprising that this number is as low as the 40-something percent, considering in most households around 70-something percent, women handle the majority of the domestic work. So that means in that gap, there are women out …
/r/MensRights24/10/24 12:43 PM
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Right, the person mopping the floor is going to have more power over how the floor is mopped. That seems self explanatory
/r/MensRights23/10/24 10:35 PM
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Are you suggesting women don’t pay taxes? And how is he working for the family if his income is going to himself and her income is going to the family?
/r/MensRights23/10/24 10:35 PM
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Side note- any thing I have ever heard fromMGTOW was rooted in misogyny, with my understanding of the foundation of their beliefs is that women don’t serve men as good as they used to and are therefore no longer worth being in a relationship with- I am summarizing and I am aware there are a lot of nuances within that belief set.
/r/MensRights23/10/24 10:33 PM
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So isn’t that more of a battle you should take up- ending the stigma men face who choose to be single? Feminists also often discuss the problems with giving social benefits to men just for being in a relationship with a woman, as it objectifies women, reducing them to a status item and encourages relationships with women whether they like the woman or not, which as you can imagine is a recipe for unhappiness.
/r/MensRights23/10/24 10:31 PM
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Throughout this exchange, I’ve repeatedly asked questions, answered yours and I would say heavily engaged in this topic. It does sounds to me like you have some disdain for women and feminism, but even that I don’t say as to assign judgement to your character, more so I am trying to understand the underlying motivations behind that disdain. There are some things that seem to conflict each other so it’s hard for me to grasp your perspective which is why I am asking questions. For example- the dom…
/r/MensRights23/10/24 09:12 PM
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What do you mean my neat little narrative? Social norms are just that, social norms, and those are the ideas that I am referring too.
/r/MensRights23/10/24 08:55 PM
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If a large majority of men are not doing equal amounts of laundry, cooking, child rearing, are pushy about women fulfilling their sexual needs to the point where it drastically impacts the quality of life for the majority of women, wouldn’t it make sense that they are viewed negatively in relationships? Isn’t that just accountability or consequences of their actions?
/r/MensRights23/10/24 08:53 PM
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What feminists in power? And I believe women have only became the “house managers” because of men’s lack of participation in the home (in general - obviously exceptions exist), not because of some inherent desire to do laundry. The reason I am so eager for men to participate in that is because running a home and family is a large use of time, mental and physical energy. If a woman has chosen to live alone, that burden is significantly less compared to the burden when you add a partner, and then …
/r/MensRights23/10/24 08:48 PM
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Okay, I will agree with you that the right to work is an oversimplification of the fact that women were kept out of the a vast majority of careers through discrimination and societal norms, so for example women did not have the same employment opportunities available to them as men, and were shamed by the community if they failed to find a husband to support, these ideologies were taught in schools, churches, media, and pushed heavily in most family dynamics on their your daughters, etc. women’s…
/r/MensRights23/10/24 08:23 PM
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I have stated repeatedly that I read your links, I don’t understand your view point and explained why. At this point you are just arguing that I should understand your viewpoint, even though you are still refusing to say your view point. At this point, we are obviously at an impasse. You’re resorting to insults, still not providing context and the only thing I’ve gotten from this is that you dislike women which makes sense
/r/MensRights22/10/24 02:53 PM
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Even your statement that I only deal in absolutes, makes no sense. Obviously we are talking about generalizations but I would assume we both have the common sense to know that there will be outliers in most situations. And it is not practical for me to go through 12ish links with multiple pages of reading and then break apart line by line the many many verifiably false statements. That would take ages, especially because many of them had many different points. it’s not feasible in one post to tr…
/r/MensRights22/10/24 02:50 PM
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Many of the discriminations of past benefited men at women’s expense. When the vast majority of women were withheld from the workforce, through prejudice and societal norms, that vastly benefited men. Yes, there were still some women who managed to work anyways, but in the eyes of the law her income was property of her husband or her father. Now, in addition to women being discriminated against by men, there were also men who were discriminated against by men usually on the basis of social class…
/r/MensRights22/10/24 02:46 PM
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Right, but once again you make half a point and never really follow it up. Like in what way do you believe women behave entitled in relationships and take advantage of men. Women now work in the majority of relationships, women handle the majority of domestic labor, Women handle the majority of managing and decision-making, studies show that women contribute more of their income to the household than men. You said that men are nagged and don’t care about the things you referred to as feminizatio…
/r/MensRights22/10/24 02:33 PM
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Unfortunately, this is one thing that is equal for men and women. We are both unhappy with the societal norm of relationships, women feel taken advantage of, and are pulling back their effort in relationships, and men, from what I understand sounds like are upset with the bad PR of women making it harder for them to engage in relationships but don’t want to make any changes because they feel they are actually entitled to even more. So regardless of what the issue is, the outcome is the same for …
/r/MensRights21/10/24 05:57 PM
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I am trying to understand your point when you give no context and speak in vague terms, I have no intention of putting words in your mouth. I don’t even understand if you believe there has been a historical precedent of discrimination, because you post many links ( most of them just other people’s opinions, not fact or evidence links) denying things that can be verified easily. But then you also hint at approving of some discrimination based on our gender differences. If you are trying to expres…
/r/MensRights21/10/24 05:53 PM
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You are so vague. Are you just saying you are comfortable with the discrimination because you feel men had challenges too? How does that tie in to the original point?
/r/MensRights19/10/24 01:13 PM
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You never really said anything. You just post links. You don’t give any context to what those links mean to you or what point you are trying to make. So what is the problem then? More people are opting for life without relationships, which seems like a positive.
/r/MensRights19/10/24 01:09 PM
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Sure. https://www.charliehealth.com/post/sexual-assault-statistics Maybe it would help to discuss what this anti male bias is that you are referring too? Because I don’t think it is misogynistic to express societal issues- for example if men were to say, “I resent the expectation of always having to foot the bill for dinner, so I don’t want to go on dates anymore”, no one would call that misogyny. And vice versa when women say “I resent being in a relationship where I carry the burden of all of …
/r/MensRights18/10/24 08:03 PM
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You didn’t answer the question. Are you saying men cook as many meals, do as much laundry, spend as much time parenting, cleaned as many toilets as women do? It was pretty direct. Is that what you are suggesting? Also you sent a link about aging people increasing the demand for healthcare workers, a second link that just proves women are more responsible for the household then men and better managers, and another link that doesn’t work. And while I agree anecdotal evidence is not a great source …
/r/MensRights18/10/24 07:53 PM
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https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/288/_The_Rule_of_Love____Wife_Beating_as_Prerogative_and_Privacy.pdf https://www.thoughtco.com/property-rights-of-women-3529578 I guess my question now is regarding your stance, are you suggesting that women have always had equality, access to credit, equal employment, public restrooms, right to vote, etc? How do you reconcile that with all visible history? All of the old footage is made up propaganda? Like is that what you are saying?
/r/MensRights18/10/24 07:38 PM
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Nice to meet you! I am a woman in construction. I went self employed 3 years ago and though currently I do have 2 men who I have recently hired (I don’t discriminate), for a good portion of those 3 years- I had all female crews- even several of my trade subs are women- including a master electrician. So for me personally, yes. And clients love it, it’s great for business. We get the majority of our business from word of mouth referrals. Last year we replaced 7 roofs on the same street within a 2…
/r/MensRights17/10/24 07:31 PM
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Right, we need to end the protector rhetoric all together
/r/MensRights09/10/24 12:29 AM
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To clarify, I didn’t mean to educate the abusers out of violence- the education is for others to prevent the violence, and it’s not just education about that topic but making conversations about reciprocal relationships- for both men and women - more common talking points to end unhelpful norms, like he pays, or that men don’t experience DV, or that women are the “primary parent”- the more these things are discussed and normalized, the better we all are. Does that make more sense?
/r/MensRights09/10/24 12:13 AM
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I love a lot of what you said here. I agree we need to end the draft, and honestly we really need to rethink our military approach all together but that may be a bigger discussion. Do you feel like people are advocating against the trades? My question is where is this talking point coming from? I feel like I am missing the connection? Has there been some movement I missed against construction or building infrastructure? That’s more what I am asking about. I usually hear it brought up in conversa…
/r/MensRights08/10/24 11:57 PM
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There are lots of people who care, I definitely do, so keep sharing your story! Would you like me to send you some men friendly support groups for violence survivors? Not dating does not make you an incel or misogynist. It’s okay to take time to heal. I hope you get the help you need, please let me know if you need resources, I do a lot of dv work, for both genders and I am happy to help get you support!
/r/MensRights08/10/24 11:47 PM
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I am really sorry you experienced violence, no one deserves that. And you should tell your story, we need more men to come forward and end those stigmas. You are definitely allowed to be cautious around anyone who doesn’t make you feel safe, including women, and I am so sorry you were made to feel otherwise. This is a big thing we as a society need to work on, ending the shame of victims so more people can tell their stories. I think no one should use their story to justify or dismiss other peop…
/r/MensRights08/10/24 11:18 PM
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I am only going to speak from my perspective to answer your question and not a larger scale. If you are interested in dating, I would put yourself in dating spaces - apps, meet ups, dating services, etc. Essentially places where you know the women are at least open to a connection of some type- even if it’s not with you. From my perspective, turning a regular interaction into a sexual or romantic interaction when I’m just trying to live my life is “creepy” as you say. I’m still not following how…
/r/MensRights08/10/24 10:34 PM
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I think this goes to further the point, that for more equal wages, women need to adjust their choices, especially when it comes to deprioritizing family/home/partners and focusing more on career and picking better partners or no partners if they have concerns of domestic labor- and that is the education that feminism needs to be sharing with women.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 07:10 PM
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I think this goes to further the point, that for more equal wages, women need to adjust their choices, especially when it comes to deprioritizing family/home/partners and focusing more on career and picking better partners or no partners if they have concerns of domestic labor- and that is the education that feminism needs to be sharing with women.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 07:10 PM
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I hear you and that’s why I think that wage gap conversation is more just about educating women to make choices that better align with what they want in life. We all have to make choices about what we want from our life and women should know that if they choose family, they will earn less. If that’s what they want, I agree that’s totally fine. Otherwise, they do need to be educating themselves on being more aggressive, advocating for themselves, even if they feel like someone’s going to dismiss …
/r/MensRights08/10/24 06:07 PM
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The military is so out of control and bad for our society. We need to stop the draft and tell our children to stop enlisting.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 05:53 PM
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Not all women are feminists and there are still a lot of women who advocate for old fashioned traditional/patriarchal relationships. 50/50 can be very rewarding, and more common among open minded and liberal women.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 05:51 PM
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I can add clarity to this one. The idea is that men cite “being a protector “ as a responsibility in the relationship, which means they often contribute less effort on a daily basis to the relationship in terms of things like making dinner, cleaning the kitchen, laundry, etc, in favor of tasks like mowing the lawn weekly during some seasons, but the reason men can have that claim of “being a protector “ is because women may need protecting from the bad men. But if the bad men who would hurt them…
/r/MensRights08/10/24 05:47 PM
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Question- don’t lots of people - regardless of gender have jobs that benefit society and they get paid for? I never understand this talking point and would appreciate if you can break it down for me? Like what does that have to do with dating?
/r/MensRights08/10/24 05:42 PM
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Why even waste time talking to someone like that? Save your breath
/r/MensRights08/10/24 05:38 PM
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I see it a little differently. I think the “gender wage gap” is more about how women fall behind- and where they need improvement- better negotiating skills for example, pursuing careers more aggressively that they aren’t fully qualified for, similarly to how men do, deprioritizing family obligations for career pursuits and minimizing time off work for things like having children, learning trades, making themselves appear as more credible so they don’t deal with slow downs at work due to perceiv…
/r/MensRights08/10/24 05:34 PM
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How do you say there was no systemic oppression against women when for the majority of our society, women were regarded as property, unable to vote, barred from meaningful employment, restricted access to education, restrictions from owning their own property - even things like no public restrooms restricted women to their homes or short distance travel. Also when you say things like travel to and from work weren’t counted- both genders work in the majority of households, why is that a necessary…
/r/MensRights01/10/24 02:36 AM
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I did not say social sciences shouldn’t exist, I said misogyny isn’t scientific. I read the article- that’s why I called it a word salad. Historical “supposed” misogyny is not misinterpreted. The violence against women throughout our history is not because women “lacked” motivation, it was systemic and horrific. Men have lots of challenges under patriarchy, and I advocate for equality for both gender including gender neutral sentencing in crime, 50/50 parenting agreements being the default, men …
/r/MensRights27/09/24 03:45 PM
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Word salad aside, misogyny is not scientific, it is social, it is a behavior and it is harmful to both men and women. The history of harmful and misogynistic behavior against women has been documented for centuries.
/r/MensRights27/09/24 02:05 PM
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Misogyny (/mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. It is a form of sexism that can keep women at a lower social status than men, thus maintaining the social roles of patriarchy. Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years. It is reflected in art, literature, human societal structure, historical events, mythology, philosophy, and religion worldwide.
/r/MensRights26/09/24 09:21 AM
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For me the challenge on this one is a lot of what I see classified as misandry isn’t misandry. So we would really have to narrow down that definition.
/r/MensRights25/09/24 05:54 PM
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Two things- there are absolutely people that are emotionally unavailable and women run into that with men too. I’d be interested to see actual data on this since it’s purely our anecdotal experiences that contradict each other. You have experience with women losing attraction, I have experience each of the men I have dated sobbing and deep crying and if anything it allowed us to be closer through his vulnerability. The last thing- I’m not sure what you meant by using it against women but it soun…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 09:27 PM
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Like wise, since it was a very simple yes or no question requesting clarification on your beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 09:19 PM
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What you said was that women lose attraction to men when they are vulnerable but I just gave you an example of the how that is incorrect. I can also think of tons of examples in relationships. I’ve never lost attraction to a man for crying, and I don’t know of very many women who do lose attraction like that. In fact the only example I can think of when a woman expressed ick about a man showing feelings was on social media and other women ate her alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 08:29 PM
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https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTL7Lw43h/ Where are you getting that from? Here is an example of a male tik tok creator known for appeasing the female gaze, being vulnerable and look at the comments. Nothing but love and support from women. And I see this all the time. I think the ideas of men having to be tough doesn’t come from women overall, and the exception is women who have internalized misogyny and patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 07:50 PM
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Question- are you suggesting women don’t make emotional investments in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 07:44 PM
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The women still have to apply
/r/MensRights29/05/24 03:57 AM
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I said what I said
/r/MensRights29/05/24 03:44 AM
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It doesn’t say that though. You make your own context up to fit.
/r/MensRights29/05/24 03:38 AM
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Just because you don’t like the stats, doesn’t mean they aren’t valid
/r/MensRights29/05/24 03:30 AM
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No one is pushing women into the careers though, just removing the barriers that kept them out.
/r/MensRights29/05/24 03:29 AM
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Google is free my guy- but here is one study that discusses it. You can find hundreds more if you want. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00018392211038505 Look you can make up anecdotal experiences, but we aren’t talking about petty disagreements between coworkers. We are talking about large scale behaviors that prevent one gender from joining a particular industry on a systemic level, and there isn’t evidence of women keeping men out of industries they deem primarily female. In fact men…
/r/MensRights28/05/24 12:39 PM
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What are women systemically doing that you feel pushes men out?
/r/MensRights28/05/24 05:07 AM
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He gets to keep all of the long term benefits of his work history even if they split. There are no long term benefits to doing his laundry that she would get to keep if they split. Why is he paying the lions share? If you are so concerned with it, find a partner in your own income bracket? That’s the problem for it, most of the time men aren’t honest with their intentions to not participate. They pretend to want an equal partnership, then surf off societal expectations to do less and less, while…
/r/MensRights28/05/24 03:48 AM
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There were never the numbers to begin with because men kept them out. As we remove that barrier, more women choose to join construction. Yes, removing prejudice and bigotry is the objective. And there is a difference between an individual behavior, like coworkers disagreeing and being spiteful to each other and a systemic behavior that changes outcomes on a larger scale like pushing women out of an industry instead of Sam not liking Taylor because he/she talks to loud in the break room.
/r/MensRights28/05/24 03:25 AM
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Yes, woman are pushed out of construction, and have had a hard time entering that industry due to the behavior and prejudice of men.
/r/MensRights28/05/24 03:03 AM
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Does that extra money he earns go into an account for her? Can she save it and use it if they split? And the logic that I’m displaying is both people work, and both people contribute to the house. If one person chooses to work a career with more hours, that’s fine but that doesn’t negate their responsibility at home either. And that could be marriage or just living together. What about marriage entitles you to not be an adult anymore and shift your responsibilities to your partner? And my questi…
/r/MensRights28/05/24 03:00 AM
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Where did you come to that conclusion?
/r/MensRights28/05/24 12:39 AM
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Is it controversial because men are a disproportionately large amount of the perpetrators? Which is another point of patriarchy I never understood. Women don’t support or advocate for violent or sexually dangerous criminal behavior overall, with some exceptions in cases of abuse (like I saw one not long ago where a man abused her kids and she poured hot sugar water on him- women and men supported that or another one when a woman cut off his penis in response to his abuse) which leads me to belie…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 04:59 PM
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I’m not spending the time to read an article irrelevant to this conversation right now, only a man would be so entitled to think everyone should stop everything to fully read a source they found important. Scanning an article is just fine, especially when I don’t have the time to verify source and peer review. Just like when I post articles, those aren’t read by MRA either. And you are correct there isn’t anything that I’m going to read that changes my base opinion that sexual assault has a detr…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 04:40 PM
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First of all, historically men have pushed women out of every industry, and some industries still have that effect, and that means we have to take action to improve it. If anything what you are saying is it was okay when men did but not when women balance the playing feild is an exact example of men having rules for thee but not for me. And yes, women are actively pushed out of engineering and it and construction and many other industries, typically by the behavior of men and employees who don’t…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 04:11 PM
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What you are doing is a manipulation tactic called moving the goal post. This topic isn’t about the black male agenda. Race has nothing to do with this topic. It is a good conversation but not what this conversation is about and I’m sticking to this conversation.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 03:42 PM
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Men aren’t actively pushed out of those industries, why would we need to have a push to bring them in?
/r/MensRights27/05/24 03:40 PM
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I think working 60 hours a week is a personal choice, that primarily benefits you both short term and long term, at her expense. And if you are making a sacrifice, you need to make the entire sacrifice, and still do your housework, or be single. Not force her to also make a sacrifice which doesn’t benefit her and do your chores. Her picking up the slack for your personal choice has no long term benefits to her, it’s still your career advancement. And it takes away her choice to do the same becau…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 03:36 PM
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So that would make your information anecdotal. 50:50 is still not discriminatory.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 03:23 PM
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I am for equality, and there is nothing that I am doing that is controlling of anyone else’s choices.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:55 PM
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Google is free my guy. https://www.businessinsider.com/louisiana-woman-was-ordered-to-pay-her-rapist-child-support-2022-6 And there are a lot of things that MRA didn’t condemn, it doesn’t make them responsible for it.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:54 PM
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Making space for diversity isn’t discrimination, especially when men hold the majority of the positions, you are just upset you can’t hold all the positions. And no one is asking for 50/50 in any industry, of course there is going to be differences. And you can refuse to believe anything you want, your willingness to believe something has no bearing on reality.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:51 PM
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92.1% of sexual abuse offenders were men, and the average sentence for underage rape was 27 months (again discussing USA only) There is nothing special about women abusers and they deserve to rot in prison just like any other criminal. And minorities are absolutely oppressed, black men and black women have a much different experience than white men and white women, with black women facing the absolute worst of it, but we aren’t discussing race right now.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:46 PM
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Because if we are going to compare them, that’s what we get. But the underlying issue is that sexual assaults is always wrong and always inexcusable.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:32 PM
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I think it’s ridiculous to expect a partner to handle your responsibilities because of your choices in career. Why pick a career that requires sacrifices, but you expect your partner to make the sacrifices, not you? Another example of entitlement and how men lack the accountability they so often scream for when it comes to anyone else. Pick better.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:30 PM
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I’m stating that you are only bringing up the male issue and not the issue in a gender neutral way when both genders are unfairly treated by the same issue. Especially when it’s happened to women as well, who was ordered to pay her rapist child support money. And I have never heard this advocated for by feminists and I doing research I found no evidence that feminists want male rape victims to pay child support. If you asked any feminists now, most would say they support rape victims being able …
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:26 PM
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First women make up 74 percent of early career psychologists and 53 percent of all psychology workers in a clinical setting (APA’s Center for Workforce Studies). Second of all, I don’t see you complaining about any of the one sided industries when it’s male run- Occupations such as construction and building trades (97.5% men), electrical and electronic trades (97.1% men), transport associate professionals (94.6% men), engineering professionals (89.3%), and production managers and directors (88.1…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:21 PM
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I think women are realizing that men are using them for their sex and domestic labor and not contributing to the relationship because they feel having a job entitles them to a woman’s effort, but women have jobs too now and notice that having a job does not entitle a person to that type of treatment but we don’t get that.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:03 PM
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lol, what are you even saying?
/r/MensRights27/05/24 04:37 AM
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Who said anything about him contributing 80% of the household cost, and yard work, and car maintenance and building maintenance? You added all of that. He can do 50% of the housework, they can share expenses fairly, and most people take their cars to the shop these days. Same with building maintenance, which many people don’t have because they rent or they pay the appropriate tradesman, and same applies to yard work. Women are fine with splitting the work, it’s men who aren’t. Why is it so hard …
/r/MensRights27/05/24 04:33 AM
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You do have a double standard. And there is no feminist side, feminism doesn’t advocate for rape.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 04:16 AM
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I am not trying to decide on foreign policy, that’s on you and your country, which I know nothing about. And as far as BHP, that’s not something that would happen in the USA, so I don’t really know what that’s about but they still employ 2 men for every one woman, hardly discrimination if more men have opportunities at that company than women. Thats just balance.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 04:15 AM
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Because the marriage turned out to be worse. And even if the lawyers get their cut, marriage still benefits men more than women and divorce is still detrimental to women. But we do it anyways because there are worse things than poverty.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 04:00 AM
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That’s the point. With you, her only choice is to accept it, because him doing his own housework isn’t even an option. And that’s why women leave 80% of the time. And if that’s a choice your friend made and was happy with, good for her. That is her choice. That has nothing to do with any of the women who don’t want that choice. Men being unwilling to participate on an equal amount is a deal breaker for many women. What’s worse is men often pretend they will contribute equally and later women fin…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 03:31 AM
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If you want to phrase it that way go ahead. I think it’s safe to say that some people behave poorly, and some people suffer for the behavior of others when it comes to an individual level. But when we zoom out, we have a specific culture of behaviors that overwhelmingly benefit men at the expense of women. Those behaviors are bad when either gender does it but it can impact the genders differently. Sexual assault for example is horrific no matter who experiences it, or perpetrates it. However th…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 03:23 AM
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I don’t think so. Alimony only is awarded in 10% of divorces anyways. Comparatively there are much bigger issues that have much bigger impacts.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 03:09 AM
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So like I said, both genders should get to opt out in cases of rape.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 03:07 AM
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Are you in the USA? Speaking for only USA, because I don’t know enough about what it’s like in other countries, DEI has nothing discriminatory about it.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 01:34 AM
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If she agrees to that, as payment, than there isn’t an issue. But we aren’t talking about the situations that both partners are happy with. We are talking about the majority of women who do the majority of men’s labor and aren’t happy about it. And if divorce was such a good deal, we wouldn’t see women in poverty after divorce at the high rates we do. Far higher than women who never married and were able to invest in themselves instead of their husbands. We wouldn’t see women’s health decline in…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 01:02 AM
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Welfare is just as readily available to single fathers as it is single mothers, and many single mothers don’t receive assistance at all. And I don’t think its possible to compare who has it worse for sexual assault- because it’s always wrong, always has significant psychological effects. One thing we see more often in cases of women is that assault is more often accompanied by severe bodily injury and death, than in sexual assault in males. Also more women are sexually assaulted by men, more men…
/r/MensRights26/05/24 11:47 PM
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It’s not mandated by law but is still a societal norm. Just like men agreeing to do 50/50 but when it doesn’t happen what option does women have but leave( and based on statistics- it seems like she is leaving)
/r/MensRights26/05/24 11:41 PM
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I’m not understanding your point with STEM vs Clinical psychology. There is no information supporting women being hostile to men joining an industry while there is plenty of documented information supporting men being hostile towards women in a male dominated industry. I personally am in construction and yes, men can make it very hard. When I was in banking or property management which is predominantly female on lower levels at least- men weren’t treated with that same hostility.
/r/MensRights26/05/24 11:39 PM
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Alimony was designed to provide support for women who sacrificed their own wellbeing to support their husbands. I would support that for either gender regardless of the percentage, but I have never seen a man make that sacrifice. I have seen men be unemployed, but not to dedicate themselves to the home and kids so that a woman can pursue her career with little distraction. That’s anecdotal and maybe there are a few of those men but I’d like to see way more, and I will gladly support alimony for …
/r/MensRights26/05/24 11:35 PM
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Yeah, rapists should be in prison not raising children. And both genders should be able to opt out of responsibility for their child that was a result of rape. My question is why you only feel men should get to opt out if they were raped and not women? Both genders should get to opt out.
/r/MensRights26/05/24 11:31 PM
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There is no discrimination against men in jobs and employment. In fact men have such a leg up, to prevent discrimination against anyone not men, we have to require diversity. And the issue isn’t with men who work 60 hours while women work 32, because even when the women works more- she still does all the housework. But even then, if one partner doesn’t agree to shouldering all of the housework- and can pay their bills with 32 hours a week, why is it her fault that he picked a job that requires h…
/r/MensRights26/05/24 11:27 PM
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Men raping children also get minimal sentences as well, in fact rape is widely under prosecuted. And if 99% of the perpetrators weren’t male, that might be different. But I don’t hear anyone advocating for less sentencing for women, so what do you feel like the cause is? Could it be the discretionary sentencing system that takes into account culpability, intent and impact?
/r/MensRights26/05/24 11:22 PM
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You can’t be a drain on someone and expect a marriage to work- this goes for men and women. Studies show (along with personal experience) that when men make less, they don’t suddenly help around the house more. In fact they do about as little as men who do make more. So then it just becomes a drag and people get divorced. It’s not rocket science. There was a time when women were forced to marry, but you are right it’s not now. But to also suggest that women aren’t raised to see their value depen…
/r/MensRights26/05/24 11:16 PM
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But isn’t that exactly what happens to women when they become single mothers or are sexually assaulted?
/r/MensRights21/05/24 04:00 AM
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If we are opening it up to the world, obviously we have entire countries where women can’t drive, show their face, etc. And while you can say it’s not enforced, the fact is that if a woman decides to have a relationship, more often than not she will pick up more work as a result of gaining his domestic chores while he gains more free time and an improved quality of life when he no longer has to do those same chores. And because this is such a widespread issue, her option to pick better is really…
/r/MensRights21/05/24 03:59 AM
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But most every study shows men commit more crime than women, even when just anonymously self reporting on delinquent activity. And when it comes to custody, many men choose to have less time with the children, or none at all. That is a choice many men make. And now that women are starting to catch up, women paying alimony is becoming more common as well, studies show it has increased 56% over the last 3 years. So is it possible, that it’s not as biased as you think and some of it is personal acc…
/r/MensRights21/05/24 03:03 AM
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It’s not to suggest it doesn’t happen both ways, but if you do your research- the chances of being raped in war increases drastically if you are also a woman.
/r/MensRights21/05/24 02:04 AM
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But aren’t many of the things that MRA names as signs of oppression, really just a result of life choices? Not all, the draft for example isn’t, but when we talk about men’s suicide rates, homelessness, divorce rates, custody, incarceration- aren’t many of those things exasperated by life choices? Wouldn’t many of those things be solved by different choices? Like if women are supposed to be able to tell when a man is going to abandon them in the future so she can prevent being a mom, wouldn’t me…
/r/MensRights21/05/24 02:01 AM
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Could women who make more leave because they are the only one contributing? If the husband was taking on everything that a woman traditionally does when he is the breadwinner, would that be different? Men who are successful also have that mindset of how they like things, even in dictating their partners appearance- that’s just a trait of successful people in general. I’m not trying to plug feminism here. But just as I can objectively hear and understand many of the men’s problems and inequalitie…
/r/MensRights21/05/24 12:11 AM
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I did the flip test. If you flip the genders does it make sense? If I’m the breadwinner, would I expect my husband to give me peace when I come home, let me crack a beer and sit on the couch, while he makes dinner, washes the dishes, cleans the house? I could enjoy some chill time with my kids and when he is done cleaning the kitchen, he can get them bathed, brush hair and teeth, get Jammie’s on, and I will continue to sit on the couch watching tv and a beer. I would still mow the lawn and take …
/r/MensRights20/05/24 11:58 PM
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I see. So you don’t really believe in equality- you believe in entitlement.
/r/MensRights20/05/24 11:43 PM
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I honestly believe that is exactly what happened. Don’t we hear divorces initiated by women 80% of the time? And to be clear, I support 50-50 custody agreements. I don’t really know what quote you’re talking about, but I’ve not advocated for any of that. In fact, I agree with you on almost all of your talking points, but it’s weird that you wouldn’t agree that both people in a relationship should share the responsibility of the household and the kids
/r/MensRights20/05/24 11:29 PM
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There are tons of issues I didn’t address and was in no way meant to be all inclusive. But to your point - I think men should take paternity leave to bond with children and help their wives during the physical recovery from birth too. It’s incredibly challenging taking care of a new born while recovering from a major medical event. The reality is that many women don’t get any maternity leave, and if it wasn’t a recognized medical condition, none probably would. And we are saying the same thing, …
/r/MensRights20/05/24 10:56 PM
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Well hold on a second, the draft hasn’t been enacted since 1973, so it is less enforced that our social constructs of women taking on the responsibility for domestic work and child rearing. And there is real data to show the negative impact that has. So this is what I don’t understand, I can hear you about the draft and ending circumsicion, and mandating equal sentencing and increasing prosecution of sexual crimes for both genders, all of that but you can’t say both genders should take an equal …
/r/MensRights20/05/24 10:37 PM
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I think it may have more to do with how rape and torture are used against women in war both from friendly and opposing troops. However, as a society we really need to get away from this type of combat all together. The draft is a disrespectful way for elites to demean our lives for issues they see fit, not us. And I think they teacher dynamics are taken less seriously (wrongfully) because in general women lack the physical intimidation factor that men overall have, but it’s not about basing the …
/r/MensRights20/05/24 10:25 PM
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Yeah but feminists say the exact same thing about wanting recognition and not seeking favoritism and appealing to human rights. And both sides have valid points. The MRA with the draft, and the feminists with domestic labor/child rearing splits. We live in a modern world but some of those old ideas haven’t died out yet.
/r/MensRights20/05/24 09:54 PM
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Right, just shut the door
/r/MensRights20/05/24 06:54 PM
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We also need more affordability so people can stop working so much, step out of survival mode and enjoy life.
/r/MensRights20/05/24 06:49 PM
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I’m sure it would help if her husband participated more in the household work, and child rearing. That’s a big thing people seem to forget about. Other than that, I totally agree, yeah life is a choice. We make the best we can of it, but ultimately it’s up to each of us to shape our own future.
/r/MensRights20/05/24 06:47 PM
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Represents an opportunity for men how?
/r/MensRights20/05/24 06:38 PM
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I totally agree, this article was nothing but propaganda meant to further divide and distract us from real issues at hand. Life is what you make it, and plenty of single people have developed healthy friendships and bonds if they choose to invest their energy into that, while plenty of people are lonely in their relationships. But if we as a society are so worried about socializing, let’s address the affordability crisis we have so more people can let go of working 2 jobs and have time for conne…
/r/MensRights20/05/24 06:38 PM
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Could you clarify what you mean by scale? It seems human condition to not understand fully the plight of a person in a different position- whether that be race, gender, etc. Women not understanding what it’s like to be a man and men not understanding what it’s like to be a woman.
/r/MensRights20/05/24 02:21 AM
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For sure you can have preferences. This post really brought light to the misandry behind slut shaming though- the idea that if a woman has to much sexual contact with men, it taints her just through her contact. It may be possible that you internalized a bit of the misandry?
/r/MensRights20/05/24 02:19 AM
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So I’ll ask a second time, because you didn’t answer. Isn’t the basis of equity for most MRA that men are not to be reduced to paychecks and women should pay their share? That would mean that women work as well, correct? So in that aspect- wouldn’t it also make sense that both partners contribute to the household? I’m not sure where the handicap or privilege is in that? And I think most people understand that equity of outcome is different than equity of opportunity. Could you give some examples…
/r/MensRights20/05/24 02:13 AM
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So I can’t speak for other countries besides my own, because I don’t know the culture, laws, or really anything, but I would imagine there is a lot of gender equality issues to address in the world. For the USA, I would absolutely agree to expand the definition of rape to a gender neutral definition and support harsher sentences on all perpetrators of sexual violence. I think that is a cause, many people would get behind, regardless of gender or political stance ( at least based on my perception…
/r/MensRights19/05/24 08:06 PM
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To clarify- not blaming the husband or men that women work. And based on several MRA statements I’ve seen, it was my impression that men don’t want to be responsible for being the provider- or reduced to a paycheck, so women working as well- seems to along with MRA views overall, correct? In a more fair society, women and men would work, and in all types of fields, including the trades and other dangerous jobs, correct? And at home, both genders would contribute to the daily and periodic househo…
/r/MensRights19/05/24 07:52 PM
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Is it possible to think both? That sole parenting is hard regardless of which gender and that it is healthy for children to have access to both of their parents? And what about extending safe haven laws to both gender? And require that the other parent be first contact in those instances? And personally when it comes to child abuse- I think we need harsher punishment, regardless of gender. In my instance my dad was abusive, and removed from the picture when he got caught, but my mother was also …
/r/MensRights19/05/24 06:23 PM
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I was simply using an example we would all be aware of. I personally don’t know of any sentencing disparity in the last week because it’s not something I follow. But if you feel having sentencing standards that are more consistent for the crime isn’t fair, and you don’t like the current system that does account for intent and culpability, what are you suggesting?
/r/MensRights19/05/24 04:37 PM
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I can’t speak to a past I wasn’t privy to, but currently I am aware that many feminists and many MRA are pushing for 50/50 custody- which I also support. I don’t know how to get past the part where each side says it’s the other fault, but I can focus on the desired outcome of a more fair split- which benefits everyone. I’m not sure what you are referencing with abortion laws and safe haven laws- but I’d be happy to share my perspective if you can clarify a bit. I am aware that many women choose …
/r/MensRights19/05/24 04:25 PM
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This is super abusive. Start documenting and prepping to leave the relationship. Also parental alienation is abuse! Your child deserves equal access to both of you. I would start doing consultations with divorce and child custody lawyers as well. Maybe even file a restraining order against her if you can get the documentation together
/r/MensRights19/05/24 03:54 PM
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Objectively- that extends both ways. Seems to be part of the human condition.
/r/MensRights19/05/24 02:32 PM
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I think it has more to do with what women experience in marriage. Some men only go to work and leave everything else on their wives- so while her husband watches tv, she’s cooking, cleaning up and getting kids ready, despite she also works. Well that and that some men seem to get away with sexual crimes, and how some men act when women try to join the trades, and how some men opt out of parenting the children they created leaving the burden on the women, things like that. Both sides have legitim…
/r/MensRights19/05/24 02:14 PM
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That feminist complain about sentencing disparities- Brock Turner is one I recently saw a bunch of women complaining about because he got 6 months, despite violently mangling her insides to the point where she had to have surgery and will most likely be unable to have kids again. And I see you guys post horrific ones all the time, like some girl cutting a man’s penis off. Also horrific. And not related to gender but then you have disparities among race as well. Our whole legal system is a corrup…
/r/MensRights19/05/24 12:53 PM
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I think court goes hand in hand for sure. For example - you mentioned family court, 50/50 custody benefits women as well and many feminists support this. Court can do better too, but you can’t have true equality in outcome without increasing men’s accountability to their children as parents not just providers. Many men choose to walk away from their children (and some women too- it’s not to dog men) but we have to end that option and really prioritize both parents involvement in every day parent…
/r/MensRights19/05/24 12:07 PM
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But isn’t that still slut shaming? Which we just discussed how it’s problematic and misandrist?
/r/MensRights19/05/24 03:02 AM
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It really does seem that both MRA and feminist want to end gender roles- maybe that’s why the two get intertwined so often?
/r/MensRights19/05/24 12:49 AM
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Yeah,I’m not suggesting it worked out but none of those things worked either but that’s not the direction I am trying to take this. I was just sharing some insight on how the upbringing of those ideas are expressed to young girls.
/r/MensRights19/05/24 12:25 AM
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The meal itself isn’t supposed to be about a transaction. None of it is supposed to be a transaction. It’s supposed to be looking for personality traits. Like if he is the kind of man who will prioritize taking you to dinner- it shows he is thoughtful and that thoughtfulness is supposed to translate to being thoughtful in all areas of the relationship, like loading the dishwasher after she cooks a meal and considering her in life’s decisions. I didn’t say it was effective but that’s how it’s tau…
/r/MensRights18/05/24 11:34 PM
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The medical system is bullshit. Insurance in itself is a scam and exploitive. They are not doctors and should not be allowed to practice medicine, especially with the clear conflict of interest for their bottom line. How we have allowed this to continue is beyond me.
/r/MensRights18/05/24 07:32 PM
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Clarification- because I was under the impression that the nuclear family was relatively new in culture and that during hunter days life was more of a community where the kids were all raised together
/r/MensRights18/05/24 07:23 PM
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Are you saying sex shouldn’t be reciprocal? Or that sex in which a woman orgasms takes away from the man’s experience? Or that in order to be fair to men, only the man should enjoy sex? Can you clarify this a bit?
/r/MensRights18/05/24 07:17 PM
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I’ve never thought about a males body count to be honest. From a female perspective, it’s not something talked about. Cheating is talked about but I’ve never heard anyone correlate that to body count before. But it makes sense what you are saying, about it being bad for relationships- I just don’t know if I would be comfortable asking someone that. It feels sort of inappropriate.
/r/MensRights18/05/24 06:49 PM
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I thought women were told to make a man pay on the first date to prove he would invest in her and to prevent being used or in a bad relationship later? Edit: Thats what I was taught and is commonly told to women. I’m not suggesting this is the right way, because that wasn’t effective in finding a good relationship either. I was just bringing up the societal norm that’s unfair to men seems to stem from a societal norm that is unfair for women- the burden of “pick better” that results in lots of d…
/r/MensRights18/05/24 05:40 PM
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I always thought it was because men prefer women with little sexual experience with other men. So if women are sleeping with women, they will never matter to men anyways. If men are sleeping with men, I don’t know I’ve never heard that one. This isn’t just a male preference?
/r/MensRights18/05/24 05:38 PM
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Was she unemployed when you got married or after?
/r/MensRights18/05/24 05:27 PM
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I said this in another post, but it’s just another example of how feminism and MRA are really similar. When you can’t tell which one is behind the message that’s a pretty solid sign. In reading it, I originally thought it was written by feminist as well. However, if it opens the door for more access to mental health for more men, I think it’s positive and it doesn’t matter the source
/r/MensRights17/05/24 10:35 PM
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What was the reason? Do you have proposed solutions?
/r/MensRights17/05/24 09:59 PM
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Sidenote the education system was designed to create good employees, not critical thinkers. The whole point is to start initiating our children to be compliant workforce for the elite.
/r/MensRights17/05/24 04:08 PM
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I saw your response and I was reading up on several of the things you stated and I wanted to get your thoughts. I’m not touching on the draft in this item, because that is absolutely garbage and no one should be drafted ever again. But as I started researching things like men’s suicide rates, homelessness, incarceration rates, even the men are more likely to be victims of violent crimes- most of it seemed to stem from adherence to masculinity standards in our society. Like the more a man adheres…
/r/MensRights17/05/24 04:43 AM
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Congratulations on the lengthy marriage. I’m sure it does help to have a partner willing to work on improving things on your behalf.
/r/MensRights16/05/24 12:11 PM
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The draft is wrong! It has always been wrong. How can we support removing it?
/r/MensRights16/05/24 12:06 AM
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So you are saying it’s not possible to predict the future when it comes to partners? Isn’t it part of the men’s right movement that you have to pick the right partner or suffer the consequences for a bad choice? Isn’t that accountability? I’m pretty sure you just have to pick better.
/r/MensRights15/05/24 08:31 PM
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Pick women you are compatible with so that doesn’t happen.
/r/MensRights15/05/24 01:02 PM
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If we do this, we should also exempt all child expenses from taxes, just like we do food. Children’s clothes, toys, extra bedrooms used for children on rent/mortgage, a portion of the utilities, maybe some kind of mileage log for gas $, lunchboxes, shoes, children’s hair cuts, entertainment like children’s tickets at movies, circus, trampoline parks, even concession stands, sports gear the list could go on. No one should have to pay taxes on the money they spend on their kids.
/r/MensRights14/05/24 05:35 PM
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First choice is 50/50 custody and in most cases that is best. I do know several women who were pressured into being a stay at home mother to men with high earnings and this should be a consideration before they have children. If they split, and she gave up her job prospects to support his desire to have children, that he agreed to provide for- there has to be some contingency. And the same if it was a man. I would have had to pay child support to my ex husband and I was prepared to do so when as…
/r/MensRights14/05/24 03:51 AM
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What about if one parent won’t take the child 50%?
/r/MensRights14/05/24 03:37 AM
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I would agree to this if the man was a drunk before the relationship started and made a formal declaration at the beginning of the relationship. Sort of like a prenup for dating. If he comes right out and says whatever his issues are- I’m a liar, I cheat, I am a drunk, and I have no intentions of changing, and they both sign, then sure. He can have no child support. If he pretended to be a good man, then he has to pay child support if it applies.
/r/MensRights14/05/24 03:34 AM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-attorney-poisoned-pregnant-wife-abortion-medication-sentenced-18-rcna138065
/r/MensRights14/05/24 03:07 AM
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Don’t fight in a war period. The rich aren’t sending their children to die. You shouldn’t either. You have only one life and you don’t owe it to anyone.
/r/MensRights14/05/24 03:04 AM
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No. All the women are so traumatized from bad experiences and told to “pick better” and now the bar is too high for you guys. They will want to see all kinds of investments and study your every move to make sure you don’t hurt them. A lot of them were abandoned by their fathers, so they have daddy issues now. Especially if they have been sexually assaulted in the past, which is most of them, way too much trauma. It’s not worth it!
/r/MensRights14/05/24 12:15 AM
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I went through a similar ordeal as a child with a father who raped and beat me and a mother who poisoned me for years resulting in cancer at 19, and also beat me. I want to say from another survivor that I am also sorry you went through what you did. how do you know man is going to be abusive before it is too late ?
/r/MensRights12/05/24 05:11 PM
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Actually, studies show that men are more likely to win custody when domestic abuse has been alleged even in cases when there is substantial evidence. Women are now regularly advised to not bring up abuse when going through divorce. This is to prevent parental alienation.
/r/MensRights12/05/24 05:07 PM
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But men overall are responsible for the media. I think women also want to end the trope of the bumbling husband, but also want to end the real life experience of the bumbling husband too. And doesn’t marriage statistically increase a man’s lifespan because of the care she gives him, while marriage decreases women’s life span because of the added stress? Honestly most of these seem like policy issues you are mad at, and women don’t hold the majority of political seats. Maybe you are mad at the wr…
/r/MensRights12/05/24 03:54 PM
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But men say women are incompetent all the time? I don’t feel offended when I hear that. They say we are bad drivers, they say we are dumb. All of these threads are just about how awful women are. Men have been saying that stuff about women forever. I don’t really see why that is an issue. It’s normal for people to talk about their bad experiences and frustrations.
/r/MensRights12/05/24 03:45 PM
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I guess I’m missing one piece of context. What exactly are you disliking that women do to men? You keep saying women are harming you and punishing you but what does that mean exactly? I do see women share their experiences with men, with each other and women are obviously going to be more alert when being followed or careful with their drinks and things like that. Women talk about how men make them feel unsafe, but is that the stuff that really bothers you? Is your expectation that women know so…
/r/MensRights12/05/24 03:42 PM
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Why can’t someone be happy with how they look and still get to be a full person rather than just reduced to a sexual object? I think the difference is when that is all a person sees about someone is their appearance because that’s all the person cares about. That’s reducing the person to just a sexual object. Someone can be hot and smart, hot and kind, hot and have value as a person. also, There is a difference between casually observing the world around you and glaring at someone.
/r/MensRights11/05/24 08:07 PM
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I don’t think women were saying men were wild animals, I think they were saying they felt safer with wild animals, and I think the point was to point out how much of a problem safety is. And while I don’t think anyone believes you caused slavery, understanding how you benefit and others still suffer as a result is important because we can help those who were effected be made whole again and undo some of that injustice. And i don’t think basing just my personal experience is a fair assessment but…
/r/MensRights11/05/24 02:21 PM
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That’s the point. You only consider getting beat up as a problem. The rest of it is fine?
/r/MensRights11/05/24 02:04 PM
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I just read up on that. This is horrific. She should be in jail and I don’t know what happens to the kid- foster care?
/r/MensRights11/05/24 01:51 PM
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We tried that. It didn’t work.
/r/MensRights11/05/24 01:44 PM
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The biggest things that I see are these: the pervasiveness of SA/Sexual harassment and the lack of legal consequences of this. The unfair domestic labor splits The unequal parenting responsibilities, custody etc. We always say courts are skewed against men, but really it’s women who suffer poverty and mental health as the entire burden of children is placed on them, and child support doesn’t cover even half the cost. Men are able to opt out of parenting, women are not. 50/50 splits are better fo…
/r/MensRights11/05/24 01:33 PM
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It’s wrong to generalize, but I don’t know how to consolidate that with my reality that most men I come across and every other woman I know comes across participates in these behaviors. I don’t know how to reconcile my personal experience with what you’re saying that it’s a small minority of men when it’s not. I’m gonna take a break tonight because I do want to approach this from an open-minded point of view , I really appreciate you participating in my questions in a respectful and open way.
/r/MensRights08/05/24 04:21 AM
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I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think that you get that it’s not a few and I think that is where the disconnect comes from. And the matter how many statistics we have or studies we do, it seems like there’s no way to make you guys understand that it’s not a few. And most likely most of us, have contributed in a negative way but it seems like unless it’s murder it doesn’t count to men overall. And I understand even that is a generalization, but it’s hard to say otherwise when Every man, I b…
/r/MensRights08/05/24 04:05 AM
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One- I am sorry that you went through that. I also went through horrific abuse by my parents, and while I would never say I can understand your pain, I can sympathize with it. Where I lack the understanding is in that instance you are saying one woman doesn’t equal all woman and I can get that, but I think what happens at least in my perspective is that we aren’t saying we had a bad experience with one man, I think the challenge is when we have bad experiences with most men, and maybe not to tha…
/r/MensRights08/05/24 02:08 AM
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I’m asking to learn - specifically how I can express my truth in a way that is less harmful to others including men and to understand the other side, so that I can work towards more meaningful solutions. My end goal is to find a way that brings people together rather than apart. Especially as I begin to participate in government representation programs, I’d like my voice to be one that unites rather than divides. Obviously, it is always gonna be hard to step out of your own perspective and exper…
/r/MensRights08/05/24 01:48 AM
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So to clarify, you only feel the worst cases are valid? And that’s why it feels like misandrists? What if we were to include less severe interactions? I think it would be very fair to say women are statistically child abusers if it wasn’t also true that women get stuck with primary responsibility of raising children and I personally feel like this is a issue as a society we should address and bring more men into parenting responsibility on a more equal level, but that’s not the point of this. I …
/r/MensRights08/05/24 01:24 AM
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Okay but didn’t white people cause poverty and anger by slavery, segregation and racism? This is why it feels wrong to judge people for a natural response to what happened to them. This is also why the solutions to that have to be systemic rather than on an individual level. And I wasn’t trying to offend when I asked if the capitalist oppressors are mainly men? I just was under the impression they were, especially since women couldn’t legally access wealth until the last 50 years. And I didn’t w…
/r/MensRights08/05/24 01:17 AM
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I have another question. I’m going to use myself as an example and in doing so I want to acknowledge that I come from several high-risk categories which I’m sure has led to more negative experiences than somebody who came from a better background. In my life, I have encountered maybe a total of 10 men who left severe damage to me. I’m talking bodily injury trauma not made me feel unsafe. And if we look at that 10 dangerous men out of all of the men would seem like a low number and I can acknowle…
/r/MensRights08/05/24 12:59 AM
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I have another question. I’m going to use myself as an example and in doing so I want to acknowledge that I come from several high-risk categories which I’m sure has led to more negative experiences than somebody who came from a better background. In my life, I have encountered maybe a total of 10 men who left severe damage to me. I’m talking bodily injury trauma not made me feel unsafe. And if we look at that 10 dangerous men out of all of the men would seem like a low number and I can acknowle…
/r/MensRights08/05/24 12:59 AM
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Genuine question- is it possible that it wasn’t meant for agreement or disagreement and that women were trying to explain the real experiences they have had and seen that make them feel fearful? Similar to how you wouldn’t disagree with someone if they said their favorite color is blue?
/r/MensRights07/05/24 11:15 PM
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I agree that men are exploited by richer men for sure, but could you clarify how the bear meme is misandry instead of an expression of women’s true fear of men based on their experiences? Asking to learn and from an open minded place. No disrespect intended.
/r/MensRights07/05/24 11:06 PM
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Honest question- I always wonder why when men say this, they feel it’s based on a small number of men, instead of the majority of men? I hear women say the majority of men. Is it just that you don’t believe them or how does that line up? And I don’t think anyone should hate to be clear but I do often see things that women say about their experiences with men, classified as hate. For example if a woman says men are unsafe, that would get classified as hate, rather than a reflection of what she fa…
/r/MensRights07/05/24 11:04 PM
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