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| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getSo you're saying that if I can get a 2, then I must be able to get a 10 eventually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getWhat I'm trying to say is that judging leagues based on who rejects you or accepts you isn't a good way of determining your league. Your league is just what you can expect given your attributes. Whether you overperform or underperform expectations has nothing to do with what your league is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 05:21 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getTrue or false: A younger woman is going to be more desirable than an older woman, all things being equal? True or false: A more educated person is going to be a more desirable partner, all things being equal? Maybe you don't prioritize these things, perhaps because you lack them yourself, but other people certainly do. The reality is that an educated young woman has much more choice of a partner than an uneducated old woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 05:11 PM |
| 2 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getSo we respond by shifting the goalpost and saying that "attractiveness, age, and education" don't constitute someone's league. God I love reddit | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 04:59 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getThere's no scientific evidence about leagues. Prove it. Every study I've read suggests that people match up according to attractiveness, age, and education, and that these attributes are what people tend to prioritize the most when searching for partners. If that doesn't prove the existence of leagues, I don't know what to tell you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getYou think there are no moderately attractive men who fail to attract anyone? Are you saying that all the people who struggle to meet someone are ugly? So all the ND men who look fine are just making up their struggles? That has less to do with leagues and more to do with "search costs". It's generally more effort for men to set up dates with women than it is for women to set up dates with men. A man has to expend much more effort than a similarly attractive woman to find a partner. Those autisti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 04:30 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getIt could just be that the less attractive woman thought you were too good for her and less likely to stick around, while the more attractive one thought you would make a stable partner. Who rejects you isn't a good indicator of what your league is, because you could be rejected for a myriad of reasons beyond "leagues". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 04:23 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getWhat I'm saying is that it is unlikely that a super-intelligent guy is going to end up with a hot idiot. A hot idiot is going to end up with a hot idiot, because we tend to match up on physical attractiveness above everything else. It really all depends on how we calculate someone's league and what attributes get weighted more than others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 04:04 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getDude, you're arguing with someone who doesn't give a fuck about scientific evidence or reason. You've already lost before you began. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 03:40 PM |
| 3 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getIf a guy who is morbidly obese and has a high school diploma and consistently able to pull rich supermodels, most people would still look at the guy and say that he's dating out of his league. The only difference is that he's able to do it consistently. Likely through a combination of favorable gender ratios and timing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 03:28 PM |
| 3 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getYour argument was that if you consistently pull 8s, then that would imply that you are also an 8 or at least have the equivalent value of an 8. I disagree with that premise because it would require you to define what "consistently" means and under which context. A better explanation would be that your attributes are equivalent to those of an 8, which would enable you to readily get 8s. Your attributes are your "league," which determines what you can pull. What you pull is not necessarily your le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 03:19 PM |
| 3 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getAre you just going to copy and paste that comment when you can’t come up with an actual argument? It was an argument that I copied and pasted, which you did not address. I don't think we need to pull up the dictionary definition of an argument to know what an "argument" is. Your response was "this is nonsense. Plain and simple" It being possible to get someone out of your league doesn’t mean the general rule of looksmatching isn’t true. Never disagreed with this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 03:11 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getno one can agree on what perfect competition means. why would perfect competition in your eyes not be a facsimile of the real world? why this room scenario thats completely unrealistic? The real world is not perfect, with many buyers and sellers selling identical products. Perfect competition is a theoretical contruct that exists as oversimplification of the real world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 03:09 PM |
| 3 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getIf you believe that it is possible to get with someone "out of your league," then that would mean that you don't actually believe that leagues are "what you can get" because that would not make sense by definition. But as a general rule, most people date within their “league” with people of equivalent looks, income, etc. You're defining leagues in terms of attributes here, not in terms of what people end up with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getDo you believe it is possible to get with someone out of your league? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:59 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getDo you believe it is possible to get with someone "out of your league"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:59 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getThis would be true if mate value differentials between people were largely driven by intangible attributes. However, it seems that there is a great deal of assortative mating by things like intelligence and social skills, so I'm not sure if this would hold up in practice. I.e. super-confident, intelligent man marrying a super-hot, ditzy woman. I'd say that mate value differentials are largely driven by timing, context, and gender ratios rather than intangible attributes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getI don't agree with this. Leagues don't necessarily need to be real. They exist as a theoretical construct under perfect competition, which doesn't necessarily apply to the real world. It's kind of what would happen if you took 1000 men and 1000 women in a room and asked them to form viable pairs and averaged out the results of what a person with certain attributes could obtain in a partner after performing the experiment multiple times. Leagues are useful in the sense of quantifying the desirabi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:53 PM |
| 2 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can get"Leagues" are a theoretical construct that tends to get murky under real-world conditions. It's kind of akin to the idea of perfect competition in economics. There are a myriad of factors why something that makes sense on paper doesn't play out perfectly in the real world,. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:43 PM |
| 2 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getThe example I gave wasn't supposed to be realistic. It was to demonstrate why the "your league is what you can get" argument doesn't make any logical sense when taken to its extreme conclusion. Most people end up marrying someone from the same general socioeconomic status and general attractiveness level, as well as age range within 5 years. This strongly supports the existence of leagues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:40 PM |
| 2 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getIf you believe that you got someone "out of your league", then you don't actually believe that your league is what you can get, because that phrase would not make sense by definition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:35 PM |
| 0 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getYou absolutely can quantify attractiveness in the aggregate. But there is variance in attractiveness ratings on the individual level. Attractiveness is somewhat subjective after all. Do you believe that it is possible to get someone "out of your league"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:34 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getThen wouldn't that imply that what you think is "out of your league" is what your league is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:32 PM |
| 3 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getI agree. It's about how desirable you are to the opposite gender, given your attributes. It has nothing to do with your own gender's opinion of you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:30 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getDepends on how we define leagues. Do you believe that it is possible to get someone "out of your league"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:28 PM |
| 1 | Your "league" is what can be expected given your attributes, not what you can getIt means you ended up with what you got, and what you got is also what you get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/25 02:25 PM |
| 2 | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?You need to provide evidence that its only unpopular guys approaching women. From what I've seen, the most confident and socially adept guys approach the most in nightlife. They rely on chemistry and charisma to get women attracted to them. Women can only see how charismatic you are when you've spoken to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 04:46 PM |
| 0 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?Let me make myself clear. I do not believe that women should approach men if her goal is a happy and stable marriage ending in children. Women are currently free to approach men as much as they want. I'm saying that there is a segment of women who would feel that it benefits them if it became socially unacceptable for men to approach women. Women would benefit from not getting approached by undesirable men and male success rates from approaching women would plummet causing men to accept from tho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 04:02 PM |
| 1 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?Ok? If a man thinks possibly dating me is not a good enough reward for… having to put up with talking to me, then I genuinely think it’s better for him not to torture himself with my presence. If he does not actually have any interest in getting to know me, then I am not interested in being a “reward”. I’m sure I’m not a good enough reward for anyone anyways. What I meant is that men aren't going to put in the time and effort to pursue a woman if they believe the reward isn't worth it. You shoul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 03:04 PM |
| 1 | Women seem to date above their league. Does it typically workout for them?Fair, it's pretty easy for women to get guys "out of their league" if they aren't looking for marriage. Plenty of guys will settle because they don't want to be alone and just want consistent sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 01:16 PM |
| 1 | Women seem to date above their league. Does it typically workout for them?He didn't mention anything about marriage in his post. Going on a date with a woman doesn’t mean that he sees her as marriage material. He did say that he saw himself as equal to a single mother living with her parents. If he himself is not a single father and has an actual career going for him, I doubt he actually sees a future with her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 12:58 PM |
| 2 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?There is no cost to rejection when it comes to spamming out messages on dating sites. It takes actual effort and a willingness to get rejected to approach a woman, have a conversation with her, and ask her out. Most men aren't going to expend the resources unless they believe the expected reward is worth it. It's more like, if women make it socially unacceptable for men to approach them and make it the social norm that women approach men, they would be able to filter out attention from less attr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 12:08 PM |
| 1 | Women seem to date above their league. Does it typically workout for them?I think that "dating" and marriage are two different things. A guy might settle for a single mother as a placeholder or for consistent sex, but I doubt that a guy who has a lot going for him is actually going to want to introduce a single mother who is living with her parents to mom and pop. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 11:49 AM |
| 0 | Would u be able to date an attractive women if u were a Male??Seems that the attractive women in this thread would absolutely date themselves. The unattractive women avoid answering the question and resort to ad hominem. Makes me wonder if there is a correlation between being angry and combative as a woman and her desirability. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 11:26 AM |
| 2 | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?Because he doesn't need to waste time messaging people on dating apps, and he can rely more on his charisma to achieve success. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 10:31 AM |
| 3 | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?How attractive would you consider yourself? How would you rate these men in relation to yourself? How attractive were they in comparison to your previous long-term partners objectively? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 02:03 AM |
| – | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?This is a nonsense analogy. A Big Mac has a set objective menu price, and it absolutely does fluctuate according to local markets. Human beings do not have top-down set prices, which is why the principle "what you can get" holds true instead. In a way it is absolutely more like an auction, which still adheres to its own market principles for determining price and value. The "menu price" of a Big Mac is also a function of people's willingness to pay for it. Local markets are local markets; they d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 01:06 AM |
| 3 | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?No, who you get is indicative of your so-called "market value. Not how markets work. That's how auctions work, which tend to follow a completely different set of rules rather than standard supply and demand models. If I offer to pay $40 for a Big Mac, then that is not the "market value" of a Big Mac. It just means I overpaid relative to the actual market value of the product. Every single thing you say just further reinforces my point about moving the goalposts in order to avoid cognitive disson… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/25 12:05 AM |
| 3 | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?Once again, I'm asking you why who hits on you should have more weight than who you partner with. Because that is indicative of your "market value". If the market dictates that you're a 5 based on the relative desirability of your attributes, then that is what your league is. If an obese guy gets attention from primarily obese women, then obese women are what his league is. If the dude gets lucky and ends up with someone hotter than himself, that says nothing about his actual value in the mating… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/25 11:55 PM |
| 3 | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?This varies greatly. I already explained one way how on your other post. There are men who think all women are beneath them. I doubt this is most men. If you're being consistently approached by objectively unattractive guys, then I'd say that is a pretty good indicator of your own attractiveness. No amount of unearned confidence is going to reduce the likelihood of getting rejected by someone out of your league. Your level is who you can get. I'm not sure why the men I've had are less indicative… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/25 11:47 PM |
| – | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?I made this post with you in mind. I have a suspicion that women are generally being approached by men more or less on their level. Men generally avoid approaching women above them for fear of getting rejected, and avoid approaching women below them because they can get someone on their level. If you're being consistently approached by men who are unattractive that is probably indicative of your own level of attractiveness. No offense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/25 11:28 PM |
| 1 | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?Why is that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/25 11:17 PM |
| 1 | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?So the fear of rejection prevents less attractive men from approaching. Would you say that the guys who approached you were generally around your level of attractiveness? How often would you be approached by guys more attractive than you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/25 11:14 PM |
| 1 | How attractive are the men who cold approach you?Would you say that these guys were roughly around the same level of attractiveness as you? What would you say the range of attractiveness is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/25 11:04 PM |
| 1 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?Looks are what matter the most on dating apps. Your likelihood of receiving attention on dating apps is determined by your physical appearance above everything else, including height, education, intelligence, etc. I can almost guarantee that black pill types solely interact with women on dating apps instead of actually speaking to them in real life. https://www.psypost.org/physical-attractiveness-far-outweighs-other-traits-in-online-dating-success/ Prior studies have shown that individuals who m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/25 08:13 PM |
| 0 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?The solution is to try even more hobbies and move to a larger city if that's what it takes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/25 08:00 PM |
| 1 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?Almost no one chooses a partner solely off of physical appearance. But it is absolutely true that people end up with someone of similar attractiveness and education as themselves. What you wrote doesn't disprove what I wrote. I never claimed that leagues were solely about physical appearance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/25 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?It is well established that people end up with people of similar attractiveness and education as themselves. Your own sources quantify people into higher and lower attractiveness. I'm just wondering how you'd be able to justify the cognitive dissonance and still conclude that "leagues don't exist". I think it's more accurate to say that attraction is subjective, but we still end up with someone on our level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/25 07:38 PM |
| 1 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?Interesting. It seems that while men on average "overshoot" more, the sheer volume of messages that they send out and uneven gender ratios seem to create relative equality in terms of the number of messages received per week for women. While women tend to overshoot less, they don't message men as frequently either, which ends up producing more or less similar inequality as men do when it comes to inbound messages. Basically, because so many men are "spraying and praying" and because there are mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/25 07:16 PM |
| 0 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?A less attractive woman doesn’t often get chances with an attractive guy, especially off of dating apps. This reads as someone who doesn't know how the world works, no offense. Would she be skeptical? Sure, but someone who’s way hotter than you showing interest, especially when most overlook you, is a big opportunity. Any woman with any amount of social awareness would probably assume immediately that the guy is looking for an easy lay. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/25 03:07 PM |
| 1 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?That article isn't about modern dating apps. It's about messaging distributions on OkCupid.The article also calculates that OkCupid had a 2-1 ratio of men to women. Granted, I will say that there is selection bias at play. Given that women receive massive amounts of messages on dating apps, there isn't really a reason for them to message men unless she is trying to get a guy out of their league. The messaging distributions that men receive are more reflective of the personality types of the wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/25 02:55 PM |
| 1 | Do you think that less attractive women are more opposed to being approached?First of all, I said in the post that women get approached by guys of similar attractiveness or lower. Secondly, that Okcupid graph is misleading. Women rate most men below average. When you normalize the graph by messages by attractiveness percentile, men and women are about equally likely to shoot their shot with someone out of their league. https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-answering-questions-and-criticisms-part-ii-a-response-to-a-criticism-that-81a618d53a7a The Gini co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/25 12:36 PM |
| 3 | An hugely understated "purgatory" for men is being stuck in the "zone" between average and the top 10%Still well under 10% even when I dropped BMI requirements and replaced it with body fat percentage. If we had limited it to over $150k, the percentage would have been even lower. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 11:11 PM |
| 3 | An hugely understated "purgatory" for men is being stuck in the "zone" between average and the top 10%1. Variables and Marginals (Best Estimates, U.S. men < 35) Variable Symbol Marginal P Height ≥ (mean − 1 SD) H 0.84 Body fat < 25 % F 0.44 Meets both activity guidelines A 0.41 Bachelor’s + E 0.37 Income ≥ $100 k I 0.22 2. Pairwise Correlations (Approximate Literature-Based) (all positive unless noted) Pair Corr (r) Source/Reasoning E ↔ I +0.50 – 0.55 Income–education correlation in CPS microdata A ↔ F +0.35 – 0.40 Fit/obesity relationship in NHANES E ↔ A +0.20 – 0.30 BMC Public Health 2018; Pub… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 11:10 PM |
| 2 | An hugely understated "purgatory" for men is being stuck in the "zone" between average and the top 10%Even when accounting for that, you still get under 1%. The strongest correlation between variables is education and income. BMI and activity levels are only weakly correlated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 10:43 PM |
| 1 | An hugely understated "purgatory" for men is being stuck in the "zone" between average and the top 10%I literally just typed this into ChatGPT. What percent of men are: within 1 SD or higher of the average height, make 6 figures, normal weight, meet federal physical activity guidelines, and have a bachelor's degree or above? ~0.5–0.8% of U.S. men (≈1 in 125–200) meet all five: ≥(mean−1 SD) height, $100k+ individual income, normal BMI, meet both federal activity guidelines, and bachelor’s+. Back-of-envelope (multiplying recent marginals): height ≥(μ−1σ) ≈ 84% (CDC body-measure FastStats); meet bo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?I misunderstood your previous comment, that you would react badly if you saw a friend was with an unattractive woman beneath his league--I can understand that perspective, but even so, I stick to my point that you should support your friends with their relationships. That doesn't mean unconditionally supporting them. But you don't have to suggest that they get with someone else unless they confide in you that the relationship is going badly or something. That you feel anger and disgust over this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 01:01 PM |
| 4 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Yeah, this is not a very "blue pill" thing to say lol. It's just way too based | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 12:36 PM |
| 1 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?I understand where you’re coming from, but it sounds like you’re sabotaging your friend in this scenario, rather than showing genuine care. We should know when to put our misgivings aside and support someone, especially in these complicated matters. When it comes to men, their looks really don’t matter as much as the manosphere and black pill say it does. I know these are two separate things, BTW. You could make the argument that because lookism is so prevalent today, it does to some degree. No,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 12:05 PM |
| 1 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?I think you meant "don't believe leagues exist"? They're on the AskWomenNoCensor sub. Some of the most delusional brats I've ever met in my life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 01:07 AM |
| 2 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Thank you for the response. Why do you think that women do not tolerate other women going for men more attractive than themselves? I think men tend to celebrate other men for getting with women more attractive than themselves. It's like he achieved the American dream in a sense. We'll openly say "You got a girl out of your league," and the guy will take it as a compliment. Personally, I tend to react badly whenever I see a man with a woman less attractive than he is, if I'm being completely hone… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/25 01:04 AM |
| 1 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?I don't think most women are thinking about the larger implications for society when they say that "leagues don't exist". Its just not a very polite or politically correct thing to say that "leagues exist". It sounds more psychologically soothing to say things like "league don't exist" rather bluntly saying harsh realities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 10:45 PM |
| 4 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Sounds like a happy and stable relationship | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 08:49 PM |
| 2 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Almost always, when dudes complain about women ignoring their looksmatch, they're talking about online dating, not real-life dating. If dating apps didn't exist, the vast majority of the rage-baiting on this sub would disappear overnight. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 07:37 PM |
| 3 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Lol nobody seriously believes the 80/20 rule applies to anything outside of Tinder and dating apps. Anybody who says otherwise is either deficient in critical thinking skills or just trolling. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 07:29 PM |
| 9 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Honestly, this doesn't even really warrant a response, but I'll respondnd anyway. If most men are ugly, then that would mean that women are just as ugly because they end up with guys of the same attractiveness as themselves. Or we can acknowledge that average men end up with average women and that exceptional women end up with exceptional men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 07:22 PM |
| 4 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?What you should have asked ChatGPT was to summarize the scientific literature of how objective physical attractiveness is. Even if we made the argument that these "rules" change across time, which I seriously doubt, it doesn't actually matter in any meaningful way because of how much conventional attractiveness is actually rewarded and the consequences that follow for those who lack those traits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 07:14 PM |
| 11 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?The "market" dictates what leagues are, the same way that gas prices are determined or how much prostitutes should charge for their services. I know it sounds harsh, and I know it doesn't sound pleasant, but it is the cold, hard truth that your parents should have taught you when you were younger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 07:04 PM |
| 5 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Getting with someone more attractive than yourself doesn't mean that leagues don't exist. It just means that you got lucky and got with someone more attractive than yourself. There is no shame in admitting that people generally end up with people of similar attractiveness and that exceptions are exceptions, they don't invalidate the rule. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 06:59 PM |
| 15 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?The concept of "leagues" isn't something that men just made up because they're pissed off at women. It is an objective reality that people end up with people of similar attractiveness as themselves. You don't need to be angry at women to acknowledge something we see in pretty much every study conducted on the topic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 06:54 PM |
| 2 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Source? Because everything I've read suggests attractiveness is not random and can be quantified. There is some element of subjectivity to it, but at the end of the day, there are things that are universally considered attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 06:51 PM |
| 6 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Would you consider yourself a "scientifically minded" person? I have a feeling that I can throw a bunch of studies at you showing that people end up with someone of similar attractiveness and education, and that yes, objective attractiveness exists and can be quantified, and you still wouldn't change your perspective. The reality is that yes, it is very easy for a woman to get a quantifiably more attractive man for casual sex than she can get for marriage. You might say post-coitus that he was "… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 06:49 PM |
| 5 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Recognizing that "water seeks its own level" is objective reality, despite how "desperate" and "entitled" it sounds. We can't just deny objective reality because it doesn't make us feel good about ourselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 06:42 PM |
| 39 | Why do you think that women seem to believe that "leagues don't exist" more than men do?Spitting straight facts. Quote of the fucking year. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/25 06:38 PM |
| 1 | Women way overestimate their value and they get burned for it. Why?This is very much a dating app phenomenon. Most women generally aren't going to be dating guys more attractive than themselves, especially if they expect the dude to approach them and put effort into talking to them and ask them out, etc. I think that most women have enough common sense to avoid going for dudes obviously more attractive than themselves if they're looking for a serious relationship. The fact that you're saying stuff like this tells me that you're spending too much time on the app… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/25 10:42 PM |
| 4 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?I never claimed that women are generally unattractive. Only that the threshold for getting a man to sleep with a woman is quite low. People can do whatever they want. Not my business. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 09:43 PM |
| 3 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?Yes, a woman doesn't necessarily need to be very attractive for a man to say that "it was better than his hand". Cue downvotes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 05:39 PM |
| 1 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?I don't think a lot of women at the bar are specifically on the prowl for casual sex. Nor do they have a sign on their foreheads saying they're open to casual sex. I think that many are open to it if the mood strikes, and the guy is decently attractive and the vibe is right. I guess on dating apps, it's mainly women who are actively looking for casual sex at that given time. At the bar, it's mostly about being at the right place, at the right time, and not being too terrible of an option. Sure, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 02:35 PM |
| 0 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?So, not having to deal with men you have no interest in and a lack of uncertainty in intentions and relationship status. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 01:25 PM |
| 3 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?Why would it matter what his personality type is when looking for hookups? Wouldn't the bar scene select for those who are more extroverted and socially adept than those who rely on dating apps? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 01:17 PM |
| 1 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?Why do you think I'm wrong? It makes logical sense to me. The gender ratios on dating apps, low costs of rejection, anonymity, and men's willingness to lower their standards for low-effort, guaranteed sex should logically enable a woman to get a significantly more desirable man for casual sex than she could get to approach her in real life, where those above factors are at play. The women I knew who used dating apps for casual sex hooked up with significantly more attractive men than the guys th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 01:15 PM |
| 1 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?But wouldn't you meet at bars/clubs first anyway, before going home with someone? Increased selection would only matter if the expanded selection resulted in better quality. Are you admitting that women can get hotter guys off of dating apps than they can get in real life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 12:46 PM |
| 1 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?Idk, how much information are you really getting from someone by messaging on a dating app? How would you know that he didn't just tailor his entire profile to maximize the number of matches he receives and didn't just outsource his messaging to ChatGPT? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 12:44 PM |
| 0 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?No, I mean, wouldn't it be safer to meet men while you're out with your friends and get a sense of a guy's presence and personality IRL before going home with him? Plus, no worries about catfishing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?Isn't it kind of dangerous to invite someone to your place within a few hours without ever having met them? How much safety does a few messages over Tinder really provide? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 12:28 PM |
| 0 | Why use dating apps for casual sex when there are bars/clubs?So you're saying that it gives you more time to get to know someone vs meeting someone at the bar that night? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 12:13 PM |
| 1 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?I've met decently attractive women who've used dating apps for hookups. She just wanted to have anonymous casual sex where no one would find out about it and have access to more attractive men than they'd be able to get in real life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 11:54 AM |
| 1 | Question for women: How can a man who's not able to get casual sex, pursue a serious relationship with a woman who did have casual sex with other men?I honestly don't think it's nearly as deep as you think it is. It's pretty clear to me what is happening. This guy struggles to get casual sex, as most average-looking men do on dating apps. He sees that a small percentage of the most attractive men get success on the dating apps. He sees a bunch of studies that show that women raise their physical standards for casual sex, so therefore he concludes that any woman who has had casual sex before him is settling for him after having sex with super … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/25 04:03 AM |
| 1 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?I think the idea is that women who struggle to get attractive men to approach them and women who don't feel comfortable cold approaching random guys for casual sex, they use dating apps instead. Basically they want access to hotter guys they can get in real life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 08:30 PM |
| 1 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?Yeah. Unfortunately a lot of men feel like they dont have much other option but to use those apps since its hard to meet women organically if you don't like going to bars and clubs | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 08:22 PM |
| 0 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?Oh, you're saying that you feel bad for men who need to initiate with women knowing full well it may not go anywhere and might result in ghosting or that the woman on the other side may not be who she says she is? This was pretty much the exact reason why I hated using dating apps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 08:19 PM |
| 2 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?What do you mean by this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 08:14 PM |
| 1 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?You never used dating apps to meet casual partners right? You only met guys in real life who approached you? Do you think that this is the primary reason why you hooked up with guys you'd be too ashamed to be seen with? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:59 PM |
| 2 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?She said I dont value "women" due to phrasing ive chosen. I disagree. I would say that its more accurate that I dont value obese women or women without teeth as romantic/sexual partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:45 PM |
| 2 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?Idk I feel like women who choose "chads" for casual sex get judged the most I feel like women definitely get more shit for sexual history online. Idk I'd have to actually look into the research about whether that's actually true that women face greater consequences for sexual history in a western society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:43 PM |
| 1 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?Care to elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:40 PM |
| 2 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?So wouldn't she have higher standards for a relationship as well? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:37 PM |
| 1 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?What do you mean when you say that there are more than two types? Do you mean that the same woman can have both higher standards for casual sex and lower standards for casual sex at different times and using different mediums? Like a woman who goes after Chad on Tinder but hooks up with a less attractive dude at a party when she's drunk and horny? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:36 PM |
| 1 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?So you're saying that women who claim a higher standard tend to not really engage in casual sex? Interesting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:30 PM |
| 1 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?We can pretty confidently that if you were to survey a bunch of women and average out the results you would see that women tend have higher standards for casual sex. However, group averages conceal individual variation. There are women who claim they have the same standards for casual sex as they do for a relationship and cite their marriage as proof. Then there are women on reddit who claim that casual sex is only reserved for their ideal physical type and that theyre much less selective for re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:29 PM |
| 1 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?Can you explain this further? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:25 PM |
| 2 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?So what does that have to do with physical standards? Are you saying that they become less selective when ovulating and likely to hook up with the most convenient guy available? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:23 PM |
| 2 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?Care to elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:20 PM |
| 2 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?I'm not attracted to obesity and I don't find women without teeth attractive. I've come into contact with plenty of women who've had casual sex. Generally the ones who had higher physical standards for casual sex tend to use dating apps/social media while those who met guys in real life and preferred the guy to approach them ended up with much less conventionally attractive men. I dont really want to get into an argument over the wording I've chosen so if you're going to keep pressing the topic,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:18 PM |
| 0 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?Since I referred to two different women, I differentiated them by two different characteristics. One was obese and one barely had teeth. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/471892?utm_source=chatgpt.com | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:13 PM |
| 4 | What separates women who have higher standards for casual sex from those who have the same/lower standards?I mean there are studies out there that show that women tend to have higher physical standards for casual sex. The obese woman I knew that had casual sex openly admitted for casual standards were higher and that her casual partners were more attractive than her LTRs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/25 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Your "confounding variables" argument doesn't actually hold up. To give an extreme example, if 30% of men wearing a green t-shirt are axe murderers and 5% of men with white tshirts are axe murderers, then it doesn't matter if there is the color of ones tshirt correlates or causes axe murderhood. One would still reduce their statistical risk of being murdered with an axe by avoiding men with green shirts. At best you would just be able to argue that you stand a 70% chance of not being murdered by… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/25 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Define rational or useful? I think that for a man looking to minimize divorce risk, infidelity, and maximize marital satisfaction, sexual history provides a very useful proxy for how a partner will behave in a committed relationship. I don't really see many downsides for selecting partners based on sexual history other than restricting the pool of eligible partners. I don't really see much upside in marrying a woman who has a had a bunch of partners unless you have difficulty finding partners in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/25 10:25 PM |
| 1 | Why are young men struggling?There is a lot of evidence that attention on dating apps is highly unequal and follows a Pareto distribution. Since we don't have any actual internal data from the apps, likely because doing so would cause many men to get demoralized and delete the apps in their entirety, we have to rely on third-party data collection to get a sense of how the apps work. We know that men swipe right significantly more often than women do. Connections, on the other hand, tend to be more equal. Meaning that even t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 03:07 PM |
| 1 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Go fuck yourself. Worry about your own dating life. If anything you should be glad that plenty of men don't want to marry promiscuous women. Less competition for you. Before you respond with "why do you care that men marry promiscuous women?", I'll respond with IDGAF if they do. I just wanted to understand the reasoning behind it and if they understood the dynamics behind casual sex. There is pretty much no rational reason why any guy would want to marry a woman like that all things being equal.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 12:21 PM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?The OKCupid survey conclusively debunks the 80/20 rule, and no evidence exists to support it, so that's a good start. Anyone who seriously believes that the 80/20 rule applies to anything beyond dating apps lacks critical thinking skills. (It isn't quite 80/20, but it is close to it). What specifically do you want me to prove? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 12:34 AM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Curious, what data and facts do you have to justify your worldview? Pretty much my entire worldview comes from books published by reputable university presses and studies published in reputable academic journals within the last 5 years. I've only really seem blue pill types speak in terms of anecdotes instead of actually backing up their beliefs in terms of sound evidence and reasoning. This is coming from someone who doesn't subscribe to any "pill" nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/25 12:19 AM |
| 1 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?I have no interest in promiscuous women at least for anything serious. This hasn't been my experience at all. Most women who don't sleep around dont care if a guy doesnt want to date a woman who sleeps around. The logic doesnt follow. If a guy is actively turning down promiscuous women because he doesnt want to date them, then that would imply that he does have options. If anything its the men without options who end up with women like that because there is pretty much no rational reason why any… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 07:08 PM |
| 5 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Bro you can keep promiscuous women for yourself. Why do you care if other dudes don't want to date them? Wouldn't that just mean that you'd have less competition for those women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 06:51 PM |
| 0 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?People who tend to have a higher number of sexual partners tend to have much less stable marriages, lower marital satisfaction, infidelity, and higher rates of personality disorders than who don't. If that doesn't convince you that these people don't make good parents, nothing else will. Funny thing is that those people tend to be much less likely to have kids anyway, so it seems like they're well aware that they aren't cut out to become parents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 06:44 PM |
| 3 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?You need to worry about yourself and not other people's preferences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 10:23 AM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Yeah honestly at this point, I've pretty much given up on marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 05:27 AM |
| 9 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Bro, why are you conflating casual sex with LTRs? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 02:49 AM |
| 4 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Hey if I'm just trying to get laid, I couldn't give less of a shit. For marriage, completely different story. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 02:46 AM |
| 1 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?You’re assuming that all/most men who have casual sex go after women they see as beneath themselves. No, it’s not a “must” for a man to do that, if he’s not desperate. Most guys I know who do / used to have a lot of casual sex, only put in the effort to get with women they’re very attracted to. They had standards because they could “afford” to. They'll put in the "effort" to pursue women they're highly attracted to, but if a woman who is mildly attractive or even not repulsive offers him unambig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 02:25 AM |
| -3 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Interesting. Generally, most studies show that men are less discerning when it comes to the sexual histories of their partners when it's just sex. Most men seem to care quite a bit when it comes to marriage, however. I'd say that it's pretty normal for men to have an aversion to promiscuity when looking for a wife. I would say that many men who claim not to care about sexual history tend not to really care about marriage and have no interest in raising kids with a woman. If you don't really care… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 02:09 AM |
| -1 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Yes, they did. As everyone does. No one gets their ideal partner. The point I was trying to make is that yes, women lower their physical standards for relationships and raise them for casual sex. These men disagreed with that | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 02:07 AM |
| -9 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?I never said that their partner weren't attracted to them. You learned reading comprehension in school, right? How about rereading what I wrote? I was arguing with them that women raise their physical standards for casual sex and that men lower them, which is absolutely true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 02:02 AM |
| 3 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Which points specifically do you want me to prove? Are there more men than women looking for casual sex? Are men less selective than women are for casual sex? Is it very easy for a woman to get a much more attractive man to sleep with her than it is for her to get married? Which point would you have me prove that would justify going through Google Scholar and demonstrating the obvious? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:59 AM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Sure, what do you want me to look up that you are incapable of doing so on your own? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:50 AM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?It's possible that he was attracted to them on some level or at least not actively repulsed by her. A lot of guys have casual sex just to try it and lower their standards in order to do it. I mean, maybe the validation seeking really was very desperate, but that's a whole other issue and not one lesser than the fact that someone maybe has been with an attractive person before. Not sure how this is relevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:48 AM |
| 1 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Question: Are you looking for marriage and kids? When I was just looking for casual sex and STRs, I couldn't give less of a shit about someone's sexual history. But if I'm looking for marriage material, I absolutely care about sexual history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:45 AM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?It’s just not true. For your question to work, all women would have to “fuck up” in every single instance. No, it doesn't, it just has to be true more often than not. I never said that women "always" fuck up. It's just that the economics of the casual sex market allows them to do so quite easily. Just because a woman decided to hook up with a guy on her level, maybe 20% of the time doesn't mean that would give a man a valid reason to believe that it "doesn't get any hotter than him." That doesn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:39 AM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Let's think about this logically. If we accept that: 1. There are far more men than women looking for casual sex at any given time. Men are much less selective about whom they sleep with than women. Then the logical inference from these two points is that women can get a more desirable man for casual sex than they can for marriage. Look, I'd love to live in a world where I could casually fuck as many women as I want who are just as attractive as my long-term partners, but that just isn't the rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:33 AM |
| 4 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?No, it isn't. Most men aren't getting paid to have sex from women. Especially attractive women. People are free to date whomever they want, but the reality is that the vast majority of people absolutely care about sexual history when it comes to whom they marry and raise kids with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:27 AM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?The question was what motivated men to marry women like that and if they understood the dynamics behind casual sex. Personally, I'm not really comfortable with the notion that my partner hooked up with some dude way out of her league and then settled for me. It's just not something I'm comfortable with, but other men are different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:22 AM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?I'm pretty sure even if I did, you'd probably find some way to shift the goalpost. Let me ask you a question in return, no peer-reviewed research needed. Why don't you believe it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:20 AM |
| 5 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?No, but preferring not to date women who've had casual sex is a preference. A preference as valid as any other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 01:17 AM |
| 1 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Eh, I think most women have casual sex 1 or 2 times and then decide not to do it again. Yes, the median number of lifetime sexual partners for men is higher than it is for women. The problem is that a lot of men had to lower their standards in order to achieve that body count. It may not necessarily be true that a woman hooked up with a dude out of her league, especially if she met her partners in real life and the guy approached her, but it's almost certainly true on dating apps and social medi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 12:49 AM |
| 3 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?What do you mean my "scientific evidence isn't true"? A pretty quick Google search or a look through Google Scholar or querying ChatGPT will tell you pretty quickly that yes, men are less selective when it comes to casual sex and that at any given point in time, there are more men than women looking for casual sex. There are also studies that show that women tend to cheat "up" with a more desirable man and that men do so much more opportunistically. It is pretty easy for a 50-year-old woman to h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 12:45 AM |
| 4 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?I was asking a question. I wasn't criticizing. Men are allowed to date whom they want. I personally wouldn't want to have a serious relationship with a woman like that, but I was curious as to what motivates the men who do end up marrying women like that, and if they are aware of the dynamics behind casual sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 12:36 AM |
| 2 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Even if she wanted to do so, she wouldn't be able to exercise the option to do so. The reality is that a woman can very easily get a much more attractive man for casual sex than they can for marriage. I don't think that 50-year-old men are comparing themselves to the LTRs of their wives from 30 years ago. They're comparing themselves to who she goes after today. It's about being categorized in a different category of men as "safe, stable relationship guy" vs "out of my league, hookup guy". "Dati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 12:34 AM |
| 4 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?For some reason, I don't think this is representative of the average dude who marries an "experienced" woman | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 12:18 AM |
| 6 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Never said that they were more "valuable", I just said that if a woman wanted to sleep with men out of her league, it's pretty easy for them to do so. Yes, "leagues" exist, and assortative mating for attractiveness and education is well established within the literature. Never said they were "only" casually fucking guys out of their league, but it's true more often than not. It is very easy for a 50-something woman to get a one-night stand with a hot 20-something guy, whereas the caliber of men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 12:16 AM |
| -1 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Lol, alright bro. I wonder why people care so much about other people's preferences to the point that they're willing to attack other people for having them. Why not have the mindset, "Good, more for me!"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/25 12:09 AM |
| 5 | Men who dated "experienced" women, how do you deal with the fact that your partner likely hooked up with guys hotter than you?Do I really need to trot out peer-reviewed research demonstrating that men are less selective when it comes to sex and that there are more men than women looking for casual sex at any given point in time? I mean I could do it, but it's kind of like being asked to prove that water is wet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/10/25 11:58 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?I think its more accurate to say that dating has zero sum elements because it can be analyzed as a market that has a scarcity of desirable partners. There are only so many exceptionally attractive ivy league educated people after all. In order for someone to move up in relative attractiveness, someone needs to move down. But you're right, generally the market "clears" at the point at which most people will end up with someone of similar attractiveness as themselves. Would you say that the men wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 11:32 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?I 100% agree. I think women should generally stay in their lane and allow the man to pursue them. So many social problems result from women pursuing men more attractive than themselves. I'm surprised you care about being pumped and dumped. Didn't you say that you had plenty of sexual partners and ONS? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 11:06 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?Its kind of sad that simply being college educated is seen as a mark of high status when in most of the circles I run in it is considered a bare minimum. I mostly see a college education as a somewhat reliable indicator of critical thinking skills, ambition, and research skills. At the very least, they're more likely to know what constitutes a credible source. I don't care much for family background. But obviously I'd prefer it if she came from a solidly upper middle class background. I'm well a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 11:02 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?So you can be with a more desirable man and expand your pool of options to those higher up on your preference list. This is pretty much the whole point of approaching IMO. You trade the risk of rejection for the opportunity to get with a more desirable partner. Generally speaking, the most desirable partner you can get is going to be the one you approach rather than the one who approaches you.This is well established within the Stable Marriage problem which proved that the most "stable match" is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:55 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?What would you rate yourself out of 10? Would you say that you generally approach men you see as more attractive than yourself? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:46 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?Simple, I approach them. I generally do not approach women I see as beneath me in physical attractiveness unless I'm drunk and horny and looking for an easy lay. I don't care much for status as long as she is college educated. I generally prefer a relationship where the woman is better looking than myself because I find myself wanting to work harder to please her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:31 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?So kind of like finding a rare niche. Interesting. I can kind of liken this to recruiters on LinkedIn trying to fill some super specialized position. Most of the time, they'll try to find someone overqualified for the role and try to lowball them. But at least in some cases they genuinely have a need to for someone to fill some super niche role and have a hard time finding someone qualified and so they'll reach out themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:28 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?I 100% agree with this. Men will absolutely go along with it for an easy lay. I've done this myself. I agree with everything else you wrote. I think any guy complaining that women don't approach him isn't particularly bright. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:14 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?More physically attractive, higher status etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:11 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?If its well established that women message guys out of their league on dating apps, how does this play out when it comes to real life approaches? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:10 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?So you can get a more attractive guy than you'd be able to get than the men who approach you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 10:00 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?Messaging someone first does count as an "approach", albeit an online one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 08:45 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?What about it makes it a turnoff? Why is approaching men "offering yourself on a platter"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 08:43 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?Why wouldn't you approach men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 08:38 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?Considering that dating apps vastly reward physical attractiveness more than any other attribute, we can probably safely assume that "desirability" in this case refers to physical attractiveness. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2451958824002124?utm_source=chatgpt.com | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 08:37 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?Why wouldn't you approach a man first? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 08:33 PM |
| – | Were the men you've dated whom you approached first more physically attractive than the men you've dated who approached you?What do you mean by this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/25 08:32 PM |
| 15 | What do you think separates women who have good experiences with casual sex from those who don't?I see a lot more complaints about women not orgasming from casual sex rather than wanting their hookup to turn into a relationship. I can see this being something a younger and less experienced woman doing though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/25 02:33 PM |
| 2 | What do you think separates women who have good experiences with casual sex from those who don't?A guy could just lie about that. Plus, I seriously doubt many women actually do this. A guy having a big penis has little to do with whether or not a woman orgasms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/25 02:31 PM |
| 1 | What do you think separates women who have good experiences with casual sex from those who don't?How would they know if a guy has a large penis until after she slept with him? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/25 02:25 PM |
| 10 | What do you think separates women who have good experiences with casual sex from those who don't?I'm not sure about this. Most of the complaints I see from women about casual sex isn't so much about the emotional aspect, but rather the guy not doing enough to get them off. Most women looking for casual sex don't seem to be doing it for the emotional fulfillment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/25 02:22 PM |
| 1 | Women who got fit/in shape, how did your physical standards for a partner change?Can I ask what your dating goals are? I'm not really interested in marriage, at least right now. The goal is to have sex with someone I'm actually attracted to and then figure things out later. I've had a relationship and casual sex in the past, but they weren't people I was actually attracted to. If I were to look for a long-term partner, I'd want her to be at the same level of attractiveness as myself, but preferably more so. She would have to have no history of casual sex as well, but I'd be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 06:38 PM |
| 2 | Women who got fit/in shape, how did your physical standards for a partner change?Has your views swayed in any way or been confirmed by mine or other commenters replies? I would have expected that fitter women would go for fitter and more popular men once they had the "market value" to secure those men for a long-term relationship. I guess my views have been swayed to an extent. How would you answer if you were asked the same questions? I would say that my standards definitely increase depending on how fit I am at the time. I am much less forgiving of a woman I deem a "6" dep… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 05:40 PM |
| 1 | Women who got fit/in shape, how did your physical standards for a partner change?Honestly, I think your mindset is pretty healthy. If I had a daughter I would probably advise her to stay away from men objectively more attractive than herself and prioritize men who approach men and pursue her because men will absolutely "fuck down" for a short term thing. Would you say that your physical standards change for casual sex/hookups if you were open to that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 03:41 PM |
| 1 | Women who got fit/in shape, how did your physical standards for a partner change?What standards vary based on your own perceived attractiveness? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 03:21 PM |
| 2 | Women who got fit/in shape, how did your physical standards for a partner change?So you'd be more likely to turn down a guy who wasn't very muscular during the period in which you were going to the gym very frequently, but became more forgiving when you were less fit. If you suddenly were to become more active in the gym again, would you go back to prioritizing muscularity? Do your standards change as you become more or less attractive? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 02:40 PM |
| 1 | Women who got fit/in shape, how did your physical standards for a partner change?Were you more open to dating a guy who didn't meet those exact preference when you were less fit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 02:18 PM |
| 0 | Women who got fit/in shape, how did your physical standards for a partner change?Would you be more likely to turn down someone who wasn't lanky and tall after you got in shape? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/25 01:32 PM |
| – | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?Congratulations you are an outlier. Your own personal anecdotes do not negate the objective reality that single mothers and promiscuous women are seen as less desirable in the marriage market and that men with lower status are more likely to end up with promiscuous women. I don't give a damn how high value you think your husband is. The overwhelming evidence points that those particular women are by and large ending up with less desirable men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 07:22 PM |
| – | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?I'm sorry but this is a load of bull. Men with a lot of options are not falling over themselves to marry women with a bunch of tattoos and single mothers. There is pretty much no real benefit to marrying a promiscuous woman or single mother all things being equal. Men who marry those women often don't have very many options because the higher value women probably got locked down a long time ago. Lower value men are more likely to overlook such things because they lack the bargaining power in the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 06:50 PM |
| 1 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?I wouldn't say this is most. It's just a segment of men really | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 03:22 PM |
| 1 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?I actually agree with this. I think that men should choose a woman they see as deserving of their time and effort instead of choosing someone they think they can get away with the bare minimum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 03:15 PM |
| 3 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?I'm telling you that this is what those men described when they explained why they went after a less attractive woman. They went for her because they believed that she was less likely to leave him and demand less of him in terms of emotional investment and effort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 02:54 PM |
| 2 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?If by "low maintenance" you mean someone who doesn't need constant reassurance and doesn't spend an extraordinary amount of time and effort on their appearance, then I would agree that those are attractive qualities. But that isn't what these men are saying when they're referring to wanting a low-maintenance partner. They're referring to someone who isn't going to leave them for not putting in enough effort to keep their partner satisfied and is willing to put up with them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 02:37 PM |
| 0 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?It really depends on why the woman in question is with that average man. If she's with him for his kindness and intelligence, and sense of humor, then his spending time with her is enough for her to feel satisfied in the relationship. There isn't any evidence for the idea that a woman will be happier in a relationship with an objectively more attractive man, but there is a lot of evidence to support the inverse. If it's for his money, then I'd expect that she's only going to stay in so far as th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 02:33 PM |
| 2 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?Low maintenance as in not really wanting to take his partner out on dates or compliment her, or putting in a lot of emotional investment to keep her satisfied in the relationship. He basically kind of just wanted a woman who didn't expect him to put much effort into the relationship and would kind of put up with his personality. High maintenance in this context would be the reciprocal of this. Expecting your partner to compliment you and be romantic and put in a lot of emotional investment to ke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 02:23 PM |
| 2 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?I've seen studies to support that as well. Relationships tend to be more stable when the man is taller and has more money and status than his partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 02:13 PM |
| 1 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?It wasn't about low maintenance in terms of appearance for these men. It was more that they felt like they didn't need to put in a whole lot of effort to keep their partner satisfied in a relationship. They basically wanted someone who would put up with them without the woman leaving the guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 02:01 PM |
| 1 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?From what I understand, it wasn't even so much a compatible values thing with these men who chose less attractive women. They just wanted someone who would kind of put up with them and didn't expect very much of them in terms of effort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 01:54 PM |
| 4 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?Are you sure that men have a "wider range of what we find attractive"? It seems that there is less variance in what men find attractive than women do save for the small percentage of men who are universally considered attractive. Sources: Rating attractiveness: Study finds consensus among men, not women | EurekAlert! https://news.utk.edu/2008/04/02/ut-study-shows-couples-behave-more-positively-when-wife-is-more-attractive-than-husband/ https://marriage.psych.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/213… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 01:49 PM |
| 3 | How do you feel about being the "low maintenance option"?You're free to have your preferences but this is generally not what we see within the literature on relationships. Most studies I've seen on the topic are pretty clear that relationships tend to be happier and more stable when the woman is more attractive than her partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/25 01:40 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.And? She went home right afterwards. Don't know what happened after that. If your suggestion is that she slept with some dude that night, I wouldn't know. But considering how easy it is for women to get laid I wouldn't be surprised. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 07:31 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Party | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 07:26 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.red pill just world revenge fantasies What? I'm not even fucking red pill. I never said she was never going to find a man. I was just providing an explanation as to why some men don't want to date her. Don't know what exactly was so hard to believe about having a conversation about men not wanting to date promiscuous women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 07:11 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Not a standard: “if she has ever slept with anyone else ever, I will assume he’s better than me and take it out on her any time I feel insecure.” Well yeah obviously, that's simply a statement that doesn't demarcate any real boundaries. I personally don't see anything wrong with only wanting casual sex with promiscuous women and not a relationship with them. It's not "using for sex" if it's mutually agreed upon. However, it is true that a lot of men will feign relationship interest because they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 06:54 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.What goes around comes around | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 06:45 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.I didn't originally know that she was worthy of contempt until her charming personality spilled out. An argument could be made that I should have walked away in that moment, but I decided to reason with this person. My "intentions" were simply to have a reasonable conversation about people's preferences and why they might have them. It was only after she began complaining about how unfair it was that men don't want to date her that my intentions were less about "informing" her about why men have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 06:35 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.I definitely felt contempt towards that woman. Not necessarily for her lifestyle but because she felt that it was some sort of injustice that a lot of men didn't want to date her. It may not have been my original intent to hurt her feelings, but I'm not going to lie that I didn't feel some schadenfreude from it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 06:25 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.I never said I wanted "validation" for my behavior. I simply stated an observation that a lot of women use the "go to therapy" shtick whenever a guy expresses some emotions or boundaries that make them feel like they're unwanted or exclude them from their dating pool. People are free to disagree with that original point all they want. The satisfaction I derived from telling a woman who complained about men not wanting to date her that she wasn't entitled to a relationship was involuntary on my p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 06:11 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.How the hell is complaining that people not wanting to date you not being entitled? Just accept that people don't want to date you and move on. Just take the rejection and move on. Would you say the same thing about men who complain endlessly about women not wanting to date them? No one is entitled to a relationship and everyone is entitled to their own standards. The rational argument that I was making is that it isn't a societal injustice that people don't want to date you and people can rejec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 05:58 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.How does it invalidate anything? I was providing a rational argument for why she shouldn't complain about certain men not wanting to date her, I just happened to get a kick out of saying it at the same time. Nothing wrong with putting an entitled brat back in her place. I'm only human after all. No harm no foul. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 05:47 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.So yes, you did it to hurt her. No, I just said that I felt satisfaction from telling an entitled brat that no one is obligated to date her. It wasn't my original intent to hurt her. She was whining that a lot of guys didn't want to date her and was lashing out at men who rejected her, so I simply told her the blunt truth that we can't always get what we want and that our actions have consequences. Get therapy. Stop taking out your anger and insecurity on random women. For telling the truth? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 05:24 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.I did say "I" during the conversation with that woman. But, I also spoke for men who think the same way I do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 05:17 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.I would say that this isn't the norm, but whatever, I'll take your word for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 05:04 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.I didn't mean all men. I meant men who don't want to date promiscuous women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 04:49 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.You used this to attack her. You’ve clearly been inching to tear this woman apart I'll be honest, I did feel a sense of satisfaction from telling her that she wasn't entitled to a relationship. I never said that all men don't want to date her. I just provided an explanation for why a lot of men don't want to date her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 04:38 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.You can discard my opinion if you want. I honestly couldn't care less at this point. Just don't expect people to want to date you or give a shit about your whining. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 04:36 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.How is that not purity culture? Because my preference exists independently of whether society at large tells me it is "good" or "bad" to date promiscuous women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 04:34 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Never said that they didn't. But lets be perfectly honest here, women can get a far more objectively attractive dude than they can realistically obtain for a committed relationship and that more often than not the guys that they have a relationship with pale in comparison physically to the guys they've hooked up with. Women know this accutely. If they could find a guy who meets hookup standards and relationship standards, that would be the ideal. But, unfortunately many women know full well that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 04:16 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Most of us choose to not settle at all, as opposed to what you claim Yeah it's "Chad or bust" for a lot of women not gonna lie. Good on them though. Not sure how anything you wrote contradicts what I wrote other than accuse me of being inexperienced. I have plenty of experience to know that yes women can get far more attractive men for casual sex than they can get for a relationship. Pretty much every study that we have on the topic and a simple Tinder experiment can prove that. Just because you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 04:05 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Back up your claims. A preference would be "I just prefer women who are more sexually reserved." You're saying that you think women that sleep around aren't valuable partners. Defend that. Wouldn't really be very difficult to argue that they make less valuable partners. They are much more likely to be unfaithful in a marriage and are statistically less likely to have happy and stable marriages. They're far more likely to have Cluster B personality disorders than non-promiscuous people. I know wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:57 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.I suppose she is entitled to that opinion. An opinion that I will discard regardless. Fair enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:51 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.The barber analogy doesn’t really work here. Dating isn’t a service transaction. It’s a mutual emotional and personal connection, not a trade of skills. Treating it like “I bring X, so I expect Y” flattens people into commodities and that mindset tends to breed resentment more than real connection. I think it's a fair assumption that people bring different qualities "to the table" in a relationship. For some people those qualities are a sense of humor and emotional intelligence, for others its t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:47 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.then what's wrong with her thinking that guys who are too stuck in purity culture should goto therapy? Fair enough. But real talk, I'd probably just tell someone who actually told me that to gfy and mind your own business. People are entitled to their opinions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:26 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Her "reality" is as real as your reality. You don't speak for every man. Some people genuinly don't care about ncounts, some people genuinly do. Where did I say I was speaking for every man? She shpuld just either shut tf up about her history or stop looking for guys that are on the conservative side Completely agree | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:20 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Some skillful evasive maneuvers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:19 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Ideally women should have lower physical standards for the hookup than they do for marriage. But realistically women can be far pickier about whom they sleep with casually than they can for marriage because supply and demand works in their favor. Can't say I blame them for it. I know that if I was a woman and had the ability to sleep around like they did, I'd probably take full advantage of the dynamic and probably settle for some dude in my league for a relationship. The difference between myse… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:16 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Op, just because you don’t want to date a women with ex’s, that doesn’t mean a lot of other men won’t. That’s the point of standards and boundaries. You can have whatever you want, but using your standards against others others is an attack. Where did I say that men didn't want to date her. I simply stated why myself and other men who think like myself would not what to date her. How the hell is me saying I don't want to date a girl who slept around an "opportunity to hurt her". I think the peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:10 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.I never said men didn't want to date her. I said I personally don't want to date her. People don’t like to hear personal criticism. Especially critiques of their private and intimate lives. It’s not surprising she acted the way she did. It makes people naturally defensive. Maybe she should "go to therapy" for that lol. You’d probably have had more luck empathising with her, rather than trying to tell her men won’t want her because of a past she can’t change. I mean the truth is that no one is ob… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:07 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.So because that’s a general trend for some women, You’re going to put that on every woman you ever date? Where did I say I was putting that on every woman I dated? Under that logic, any preference you have is "put on any partner you date" because anyone who doesn't meet those prerequisites are filtered out from your dating pool. You not being hurt because you don’t feel its effects, doesn’t mean your future partner won’t. Do you want to hurt the woman you love? I fail to see how not wanting a pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 03:03 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.It's unhealthy because what you're doing is rooted in purity culture. The more a woman fucks around the less valuable she is or the more she makes for a worse partner because she's ran through, is settling for you, etc etc... And you telling her that is rude and she has every right to call it out. This is your opinion. People can have whatever preferences they want and justify it however they please. I personally don't think a woman who slept around is a valuable partner. This is my personal opi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:58 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Sure, people can have whatever standards they want, but that doesn’t make those standards immune to critique. When someone holds others to expectations they don’t meet themselves, it’s not just “unrealistic” it’s hypocritical. And hypocrisy isn’t a neutral quirk, it’s a pattern that reflects entitlement and lack of self-awareness, which does affect relationships and dating outcomes. Critque away. But understand that people can then in turn critique you for caring about what other people do with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:51 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Lol I'm going to get downvoted for saying this. Women don't need to be "attractive" in order to get a hot dude for a ONS. They literally just need to make it easy enough and be willing to take the risks needed in order to do it. Plenty of guys will lower their standards considerably for casual sex. I would argue that the same logic that you use to rule out guys who pay for sex can be used to rule out women who engage in casual sex with guys who were obviously lowering their standards on dating a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:40 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Not wanting to date someone for their sexual history is totally fine but saying that it's because men don't want to feel like a downgrade is an unhealthy way of thinking. This is just your opinion. There isn't anything really "unhealthy" about it unless you feel like it's negatively affecting your life in any way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:39 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Fair. It doesn't matter if she comes to terms with reality. People will still choose to date whomever they want regardless of how 'unfair' it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:37 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Most women will say openly that they have higher physical standards for a hookup than they do for a relationship. It is extremely easy for an unattractive woman to get ONS with a man far more attractive than herself because men lower their standards considerably for casual sex, and the economics of the casual sex market on dating apps allow her to do so. Insecurity is only a problem if we believe it is or if we believe that those emotions are invalid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:36 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.It doesn't really matter if she says it openly or not. If it's the truth, it is the truth whether it is spoken or not. I wouldn't want to date someone who had those trust issues, but I guess if that was she demanded out of her partner than that is her choice. Good luck to her for finding a guy who is willing to agree those condiditons. 'Fairness' is irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:34 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Where did I say that it wasn't an insecurity? Agree with the second part of what you said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:30 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Therapy is good for many reasons, but the way a lot of people seem to do the whole "go to therapy" schtick as a way of invalidating someone's emotions because they don't like hearing about them or don't think that they are a valid way to respond to a situation. Imagine a guy telling his wife, who felt stressed about being harassed at work, saying, "Stop whining about it and go to therapy." Nobody wants to feel like their emotions are an invalid response to a real issue that they face. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:27 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Fair enough, they are some guys who genuinely don't care about sexual history. But, I think it's best if everyone just accepts that their actions have consequences and no one is entitled to a relationship. It isn't some societal injustice that people don't want to date you. Just accept the rejection and move on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:24 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.No people can have whatever standards they want regardless of how "hypocritical" they are. A morbidly obese unemployed woman is allowed to want Channing Tatum. They just need to be realistic about their ability to find someone who meets their standards and accept the consequence of having them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:19 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.Even if it is, what of it? People shouldn't date someone they don't feel comfortable with. I doubt most women would be perfectly fine with a man telling her "I don't find you as attractive as my previous partners, but you're the safe convenient option". Should those women seek therapy as well? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:18 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.It's not 'blaming her for it'. It's just not feeling comfortable with being a physical downgrade or not being good enough for her while she was in her hook up phase with dudes out her league. Also, who are you to tell other people what is a 'solid boundary' and what is not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:16 PM |
| – | A lot of women invalidate men's emotions and experiences by saying "go to therapy" in response to men's concerns about dating certain types of women.No it's not. People are entitled to whatever standards they want. People should date someone they feel comfortable with instead of dating someone they don't feel comfortable around. To go to therapy for something you don't feel comfortable with assumes that the underlying emotions around it are invalid or 'wrong'. I don't see anything inherently wrong with not feeling comfortable dating a girl who slept around. People can do whatever they want with their lives but don't expect other people to wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/25 02:13 PM |
| 5 | Men who met their spouse off a dating app, did you take the first girl who was willing to go on a date with you?I agree, people shouldn't treat dating like a job interview. It's just that more often than not, I find that men looking for a relationship off dating apps seem to kind of just take whatever is in front of them and tell the woman whatever it is she wants to hear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 07:10 PM |
| 1 | Men who met their spouse off a dating app, did you take the first girl who was willing to go on a date with you?Would you that you're in better shape/more conventionally attractive than your wife? I've noticed that among couples who meet off dating apps, the guy is usually more attractive than the woman whereas it's usually the opposite for couples who meet in real life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Men who met their spouse off a dating app, did you take the first girl who was willing to go on a date with you?Did you meet your spouse off a dating app? If you did, how many dates did you go on? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 05:56 PM |
| 0 | Men who met their spouse off a dating app, did you take the first girl who was willing to go on a date with you?Yep. But, I don't really use dating apps. I'm trying to hear from those who actually met their spouse off a dating app. Anecdotally, the men I've met IRL who met their partners off dating apps basically just ended up with the first girl who was willing to go on a date with them of acceptable attractiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 05:11 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.So you never actually had a ONS off a dating app and you more or less went after guys on your level. Then of course, the exact situation I laid out on the OP doesn't apply to you. Casual sex comes in different varieties. I know people who engaged in exactly the type of casual that I specified in the OP and all of them were miserable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/25 10:32 AM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Didn't you say in your previous comments that you don't really use dating apps for hookups? Didn't you say that you mostly met your partners at bars and through your social circles? I'd say the dynamics that I specified in the OP only really applies to ONS on dating apps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/25 10:04 AM |
| 2 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Yes, its better for everyone involved if men raised their standards and didn't sleep with women they weren't attracted to. But its kind of like a chicken or the egg situation. There are fewer women on dating apps because of desperate men who are shitty lays. But because there are fewer women, men become desperate and lower their standards and become shitty lays. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 10:28 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure."I am terrible at sex, but" I don't really see an argument here. It's not really addressing the point made in the OP. Believe whatever you want to believe. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.I'm sure all these factors play a role, but it does seem to be the case the clitoral stimulation seems to occur less during casual encounters. Even during casual dating situations (where there presumably is no alcohol involved), there seems to be lower orgasm rates than during a LTR. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 09:55 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Nice adhom | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 09:44 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.I actually completely agree with this. It's a vicious cycle | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 09:07 PM |
| 2 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.That's actually not a bad idea. Plenty of women already do stuff like this though. If a guy's putting in the effort, he's probably attracted to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 08:46 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Close your eyes and fantasize about women you're actually attracted to, porn, viagra, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 08:31 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Probably not. I think it becomes evident as the guy has sex with her. Like not really looking at her face while having sex, turning the light out, etc. I was always just assumed the implication was there by virtue of a woman receiving interest from men who wouldn't give her the time of day in real life and the common knowledge that men lower their standards considerably for hookups on dating apps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 08:04 PM |
| 2 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Don't sleep with desperate dudes off dating apps. I already mentioned this in my OP. Vet for mutual attraction and mutual respect. Probably should avoid hookups with random strangers tbh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.For an easy lay, absolutely | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:53 PM |
| -3 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Eh, I would say that if she's a 4 going after a 4 then the dynamic I've set out tends to not apply as much. But then again, that's unlikely to end in a ONS, since a male 4 is going to try to hold onto that for dear life since he probably gets no matches lol. But my general observations is that women will usually try to get a dude way more attractive than herself if all she wants is a ONS. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:41 PM |
| -9 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.I thought it was pretty common knowledge at this point that men lower their standards considerably on dating apps. I could be wrong though, I've met women in real life who seemed to be blissfully unaware of that dynamic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:25 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.i think its perfectly fine to assume someone is attracted to you if they ask you out. I wouldn't really assume that on a hookup app, but to each their own | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.I never said that "ugly women are manipulating men into having sex with them". There is nothing forcing a guy to have sex with ugly women. I just think that it's kind of ridiculous to expect someone to care about your pleasure when it's common knowledge that men will lower their standards considerably for hookups on dating apps. If you knowingly went after some guy that you knew was almost certainly lowering his standards to sleep with you, then why would you expect him to care about your pleasu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:17 PM |
| 0 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Both people are benefiting from the interaction in some way, otherwise they wouldn't have engaged in it. But expecting someone to care about your pleasure when you obviously don't really care if your partner finds you attractive doesn't really make sense does it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:11 PM |
| 0 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Just somebody gives someone pleasure doesn't necessarily mean that they care about whether they do or not. I think that both parties are getting something out of it. The woman gets to hookup with a super hot guy who would never give her the time of day otherwise. The guy gets his rocks off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:08 PM |
| -14 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Hey I never said it was logical. But I think both people during that encounter are prioritizing their own self interests. Why should he care about the pleasure of a woman he's dumpster-diving for? Why should a woman care about the pleasure of a man she knows is dumpster-diving and wouldn't look twice at her in real life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:05 PM |
| 0 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.I don't really believe this. There is actually a great deal of agreement as to who the most attractive people are. If it's too good to be true, it probably is. A morbidly obese short guy who goes to a strip club and gets a lapdance from a hot 20 something year old stripper knows exactly that its fantasy and nothing more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:03 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Where did I say he was deceiving her. I think both people are intelligent enough to know what the score is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:01 PM |
| 1 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Sure | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 07:00 PM |
| 0 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.If someone didn't care about whether or not you actually found them attractive during sex, I would say that this means you don't actually care if they enjoy it. Similar to how men who sleep with prostitutes don't truly care if the prostitute enjoys sex. Any attempts to please your partner during that situation would only be done in order to ease your guilt about engaging in that situation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 06:58 PM |
| -2 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.It's not just the woman's fault. Both parties are to blame for putting themselves in this situation. There is nothing forcing a man to lower his standards considerably and sleep with a woman he isn't attracted to. But to knowingly go after some desperate guy off a dating app who likely isn't attracted to you is just asking for a bad experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 06:55 PM |
| 0 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.That's assuming that he's telling her that he finds her attractive. If he does lie about being attracted to her in order to get sex, then I'd say the man likely bears the moral culpability. But, I'd say that a woman knowingly going after men who likely wouldn't look twice at her in real life still bear some of the responsibility for putting themselves in that situation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 06:53 PM |
| -4 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.Yes someone can still enjoy casual sex even if their partner doesn't actually care if they truly enjoy it. The point that I'm trying to make is that women are not completely innocent in this dynamic. She doesn't care if he finds her attractive, so why should he care if she gets off? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 06:46 PM |
| -8 | Men don't care about a women's pleasure during casual sex because women don't care about his pleasure.I'm saying that if a woman doesn't care about whether her partner finds her attractive or actually respects her and tries to fuck some desperate dude off a dating app, she doesn't actually care about his pleasure. "His desperation isn't my problem" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/25 06:43 PM |
| – | Men do not understand valueDude this is just incredibly delusional on all levels. Pretty much every study ever conducted tells us that people end up in committed relationships with people who are similar in attractiveness, education, etc. Just because a woman in her 50s and 60s can get some guy in his 20s to consistently sleep with her for a year or two does not mean he is in a LTR with her. Honestly, it's tragic that these men that you're referring to are degrading themselves like that and that those women you're referri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/25 12:09 PM |
| 2 | Men and women talk about two completely different things when they refer to "casual sex"I never said that the majority of women were interested in casual sex. I'm referring to the subset of women who do engage in casual sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 09:57 PM |
| 0 | Men and women talk about two completely different things when they refer to "casual sex"Most women who engage in casual sex with random strangers have higher standards than they would for a relationship because of the economics of the casual sex market within spaces where casual sex happens. I would say that you are likely an outlier, unless you have some sort of fantasy requirements for a long-term relationship that aren't realistic or you were deliberately going after men of similar attractiveness as yourself because you believed that it would result in better outcomes. I don't r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 09:51 PM |
| 1 | Men and women talk about two completely different things when they refer to "casual sex"Again like I said before, I'm talking about what "usually" comes to mind. ONS are fairly rare and make up a minor portion of all casual sex encounters. The Tinder/club ONS is not representative of the casual sex that most people have. I think that women who do partake in ONS on Tinder and at the club make up a minority of women. Hence when women say "I have similar physical standards for casual sex", they're referring to something completely different than the type of women who do hookup with st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 09:21 PM |
| 6 | Men and women talk about two completely different things when they refer to "casual sex"There was actually a study done by Terri Conley a while ago about what it would take for a woman to agree to have sex with a stranger. I remember it saying that it would take Orlando Bloom or Brad Pitt or something for a majority of women to agree to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 09:16 PM |
| 2 | Men and women talk about two completely different things when they refer to "casual sex"I agree. Most women don't want a hookup with a random stranger. It's more so that of the women who do hookup with random strangers, it's likely that they would have far higher physical standards than for a relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 09:11 PM |
| 3 | Men and women talk about two completely different things when they refer to "casual sex"That's not really the point that I'm trying to make. What I'm talking about is when women refer to "casual sex", they usually aren't referring to the same scenario as what most men imagine. If you were to ask women what their standards are for a ONS/fuckbuddy situation with a random stranger, then I would say that most women would say that they have far higher physical standards than for a relationship. The women who claim to have constant standards for casual sex aren't referring to random hook… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 09:05 PM |
| 4 | Men and women talk about two completely different things when they refer to "casual sex"I don't disagree with that take. It's more so that if you were to ask men and women "what are your standards for casual sex?", they're going to be imagining two completely different scenarios. A man's immediate reaction is to think about Tinder hookups. A woman's immediate reaction is to think about her friend that she got intimate with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 08:59 PM |
| 5 | Men and women talk about two completely different things when they refer to "casual sex"I don't disagree, but I think that this particular type of casual sex is something few women actually seek out. It's a specific type of personality that engages in that particular type of casual sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 08:53 PM |
| 1 | How much does mutual attraction matter when having casual sex?Eh, I think it was more like he was kind of just using her vagina to masturbate into, kind of like a pocket pussy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/04/25 04:04 PM |
| 2 | How much does mutual attraction matter when having casual sex?The dudes that she hooked up with were definitely well above average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/25 11:14 PM |
| 1 | How much does mutual attraction matter when having casual sex?Would you say that your physical standards for casual sex were higher than your standards for a LTR? How did these guys that you met at bars and clubs compare to the men you ended up dating seriously? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/25 05:31 PM |
| 1 | How much does mutual attraction matter when having casual sex?I think part of it also comes down to the fact that these dudes would kind of tell her whatever it is she wanted to hear in order to sleep with her. From the way she described it, they would kind of act like they could potentially see themselves dating her. Of course these guys never followed through and ghosted her pretty much right afterwards. Maybe these women get caught up in the fantasy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/25 05:19 PM |
| 1 | How much does mutual attraction matter when having casual sex?I think it was always the case that if a woman made her very easy, she could get a guy more attractive than herself for casual sex. I do think that women were much more limited in their ability to get shredded male model types for a hookup because she was less likely to come into contact with these men. I think the closest thing to what you see on dating apps today was when fat women would try to hookup with drunk dudes at the club by throwing themselves at them. Like literally walking up to a r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/25 05:15 PM |
| 3 | How much does mutual attraction matter when having casual sex?That's interesting. I wonder how many women who engage in hookups on dating apps are aware of the dynamics behind them. When I spoke to the woman I referred to in the OP, I likened what she was doing to men sleeping with prostitutes. She fully agreed with the analogy. She didn't care about mutual attraction or mutual respect. It was purely to satisfy her own desires. She was well aware that those men she slept with had zero standards. You'd probably have to utterly delusional as a woman to belie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/25 05:04 PM |
| 1 | How much does mutual attraction matter when having casual sex?Yup, dating apps and social media definitely fucked up the casual sex market. It's honestly tragic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/25 04:58 PM |
| 1 | How much does mutual attraction matter when having casual sex?Did you meet your partners in real life or on dating apps? I think this mindset of not caring about mutual attraction tends to be more prevalent on dating apps than in women who exclusively date men within their social circles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/25 04:56 PM |
| 1 | How much does mutual attraction matter when having casual sex?I think you see this particular type of woman a lot on dating apps in particular. I can imagine that if most of a man's dating experience comes from dating apps, he would get the mindset that most women are sociopathic whores who couldn't care less about mutual attraction and exclusively go after Chads. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/25 04:50 PM |
| 0 | Dating apps have likely peaked in popularityI know people that it's worked for. I know people who met their spouse off a dating app. Generally the highest reward to effort ratio will always be IRL. Again, most people aren't really cold DMing people on social media. It's more that people are using social media as a follow up to IRL interactions. A lot of people who use social media to find their partner have conversations stemming from posts from mutual connections. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/25 11:25 PM |
| 0 | Dating apps have likely peaked in popularityYes. It wasn't very effective for making any meaningful interactions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/25 11:14 PM |
| 1 | Dating apps have likely peaked in popularityNever said it was very effective. I said it was more effective than online dating. Most people aren't dating people they've never met before on social media. It's more common for people to use social media as a follow up IRL interactions. Basically social media replaced giving out people's numbers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/25 11:12 PM |
| -2 | Dating apps have likely peaked in popularitySure, if a woman wants casual she can get casual. For women looking for a LTR, she's more likely to get success finding that through social media since it's less risky than meeting up random strangers. Men can probably get more attractive women as well since women tend to be more open to dating men who are already pre-vetted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/25 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Dating apps have likely peaked in popularityPeople are significantly restricted in their options when relying purely on extended social circles alone. You don't really have as much access to "Chads" when people are limited to 2 degrees of seperation. Social media serves an intermediary between people who already connected to each other in some way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/25 10:37 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?This is very interesting. Though, the difference between marriage and sexual relations wasn't quite as high. When it says "sexual partner", it doesn't seem to differentiate between long-term and short-term partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/25 08:54 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?I'd have to say that your preferences are quite unusual for a woman looking for casual sex. But, now it makes complete sense. Good for you! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 07:17 PM |
| 3 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?The reality is that women can get a much hotter guy for casual sex than they can get for a relationship when both parties are aware that it is going to be casual. The idea that can she can get commitment from the guy she can sleep with casually is hard to wrap your head around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 07:01 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?Just curious but did you message him or did he message you? Were you subconsciously targeting men "on your level"? I know that clubs and apps are notorious for men looking for easy sex and low standards | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?Would you say that you separated men into "casual sex material" and LTR material? Or did you hookup with guys who could you see yourself potentially being in a relationship with? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 05:54 PM |
| 4 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?To be honest, when men say that "men will sleep with anything", they're not really talking about themselves. They're really referring to a segment of men who are very sexually prolific and indiscriminate who make up the bulk of the men actively looking for casual sex. You kind of need to have zero standards in order to compete in the casual sex market on dating apps in particular. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 05:05 PM |
| 2 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?I see. So you use casual sex as a way to vet potential partners. Interesting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 04:45 PM |
| 0 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?No offense, but I seriously doubt this. However, from speaking to other women about it, this might be possible if you were using casual sex as a way to find a long-term partner you were compatible with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 04:41 PM |
| 16 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?Thank you for your honesty | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 04:39 PM |
| 4 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?I think I see this pattern as well among women who claim to maintain the same standards. They hook up with men they could see themselves potentially being in a relationship with. Not necessarily men they wanted pure sex with and nothing else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 04:38 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?Would you say that your hookups were objectively more attractive than your relationships? Like taller, more muscular, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 04:30 PM |
| 5 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?I would say that this lines up with my experiences and what I'm seen in the research as well. But there are women who claim that they don't raise their physical standards for hookups. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 04:26 PM |
| 3 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?Look at the top voted comment | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 04:15 PM |
| -4 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?The only way this could be true is if a guy hooks with a woman within his social circle with relatively even gender ratios and there is ambiguity as to the outcome of the interaction. Like the guys in her social circle can't know the woman is open to hooking up. If the dudes knew, they'd all be clamoring for access and she's only going to pick the hottest guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 04:08 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?Promiscuous women here tend to disagree that they lower standards | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 03:50 PM |
| -5 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?Which boggles my mind. Why would any man marry a woman who was objectively beneath the women who offered him cheap sex that he didn't have to work for? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 03:43 PM |
| 3 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?Love the honesty | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 03:38 PM |
| 7 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?I understand that this true for some people. I'm just trying to understand how those dynamics work given the above two conditions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 03:33 PM |
| 9 | Why do so many women on here say they have lower physical standards for casual sex despite pretty much every study and most people's lived experiences saying otherwise?My question is how would this even be possible considering that: Men have much lower standards for casual sex There are far more men than women looking for casual sex. By virtue of having more options, it would make complete sense why a woman would raise their standards for casual and lower their standards for LTR/marriage where the ratios tend to be far more even. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/25 03:23 PM |
| -1 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.Dude read my comment over again. I never said "if a man is willing to commit, he’s in her league”. I said a woman's league is "the general caliber of man she can expect to marry her given her attributes". She could end up with a man below or above her league. The final outcome doesn't actually determine her "league". Just like a guy could end up with a woman way more attractive than himself despite not having much going for him, it is entirely possible for someone to punch above their weight. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 05:30 PM |
| 1 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.I would argue that being able to orgasm does not necessarily make for satisfying sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 05:08 PM |
| -6 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.Jesus, I hate being politically correct and having to explain the obvious. Especially to men since they can't live in a delusional fantasy on dating apps like women can. A woman's "league" is the general caliber of man she can expect to marry her given her attributes. If she ends up in a relationship or marriage with a man beyond what could be reasonably inferred given her desirability, then we can say that she ended up with a man "out of her league". Leagues are determined by the sexual marketp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 05:06 PM |
| -1 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.Men have a much harder time finding sexual partners that they're actually attracted to. Plenty of guys sleep with women they don't find attractive for this exact reason. Women can very easily get a guy way out of their league for casual sex. The only advantage that a guy might have is that he could have sex with someone he finds ugly and still get off because it's better than his hand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 04:45 PM |
| -5 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.Well of course, if you add in another condition that the man must actually find you attractive in order to have sex, then I would imagine that the vast majority of casual sex would be inherently unsatisfying. But women on here seem to believe that if the standards were just limited to: 1.attractive safe orgasms That men and women have equally as hard of a time. I disagree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 04:39 PM |
| -7 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.To be fair, "pumping and dumping" mostly just applies to women looking to secure commitment with men out of their league. Casual sex and pumping and dumping aren't the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 04:21 PM |
| -7 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.I'd argue that women have not only better access to quantity, but quality as well. Yes, a man can orgasm from casual sex with a woman he doesn't find attractive or even finds ugly. Men have lower standards for casual sex, not necessarily lower standards for a LTR/wife. It is significantly easier for a woman to get casual sex with a man far more attractive than herself than it is for men. There are plenty of attractive men willing to lower their standards considerably for casual sex. Plenty of gu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 04:15 PM |
| -1 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.I think a lot of promiscuous women aren't necessarily out to get dick that very night, it's more like that they'll be open to it if the opportunity comes along. I disagree that there aren't that many promiscuous women. I'd say that the majority of women under 25 have engaged in casual sex at some point but a smaller percentage engage in it regularly. https://www.rutgers.edu/news/why-are-young-adults-having-less-casual-sex "The study, published in the journal Socius, found that between 2007 and 2… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 04:08 PM |
| -2 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.It's not that hard to find promiscuous women to be friends with. You'd probably just have to hang out in certain social environments like Meetups and parties and bars. You'd also have to overcome your aversion to do the idea of the guy you're sleeping with sleeping with other women. Most promiscuous women seem to have no problem with this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 04:00 PM |
| -12 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.According to women here, satisfying sex is being able to orgasm during sex with a man who cares about your pleasure and she finds attractive. I'd argue that it is still easier for a woman to achieve this standard than it is for an equivalent man because men have a much harder time finding willing partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 03:57 PM |
| -1 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.There is no validation because the guys have near non-existent standards for whom they sleep with. Even if casual sex was suddenly safe and likely to be satisfying, plenty of women would still refrain from doing so because there is no real accomplishment in doing so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 03:53 PM |
| -2 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.This is exactly my point. Most women don't engage in casual sex because there is no validation in doing so. Women looking for validation are looking for a LTR/husband because men tend to be more selective in those dynamics. I'm saying that women who refrain from engaging in casual sex aren't necessarily doing so because of a perceived lack of safety or orgasms. They refrain because there is no validation in doing so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 03:50 PM |
| -4 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.I'd say reasons 1 and 2 are something that can be resolved pretty easily if you wanted. Reason 3 seems a bit more reasonable to me. If it is as difficult for women to get satisfying sex as you say, promiscuous women would have a vested interest in hoarding the "good in bed" man to herself, given that she took it upon herself to take the risks needed to acquire that man. I'd just assume that the man would have enough surplus sexual energy to sleep with multiple women at once since men tend to hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 03:48 PM |
| -1 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.Yes, but I'm arguing that reasons for this have less to do with safety or the orgasm gap, but more to do with the fact that there is no validation in getting a guy to sleep with you casually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 03:35 PM |
| -5 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.I'm saying that a woman's ease in being able to get sex also translates into her ability to get satisfying sex as well. She would need to ask one of her promiscuous female friends which guy is good in bed or simply just sleep with a guy who seems to be able to sleep with a lot of women which signals that he is good in bed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 03:34 PM |
| 0 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.I never said that women were asking men which men are good in bed. I meant that women can ask other promiscuous women for reviews on which guy is good in bed. A woman offering herself casually to a guy is very likely to get an affirmative response. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 02:30 PM |
| -4 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.Women tend to sleep with the guy that all the other women are already sleeping with. The fact that he slept with a bunch of women and that these women have favorable opinions of him makes him a safe, pleasurable option. I wouldn't know which of my friends is good in bed because I don't hang out with promiscuous people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 02:23 PM |
| 0 | No matter how you shift the goalpost, getting satisfying sex is easier for women than it is for men.I'd say that women can simply ask one of their promiscuous friends which guy is "good in bed". No matter how you tweak it, it's still much easier for a woman to get sex that is satisfying with someone they're actually attracted to than an equivalent man. I'm saying that the reason why they don't do this has less to do with the orgasm gap or even safety, but rather that there is no validation of being desirable in getting a man to sleep with you casually. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/25 02:00 PM |
| -1 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?Those women prefer to be in short term relationships with guys out of their league who aren't attracted to them or respect them than date the guy in their league who'd actually want to commit to them long term. Not all women want healthy relationships or value equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 03:33 PM |
| 1 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?Whoa there. No need to launch ad hominems. I never said I engaged in that shit. I'm looking for marriage material. I'm just describing what I've seen from men who use dating apps to casually date women they don't see a future with. I'm also describing what I've seen from women who've used dating apps. Those women know that they have an enormous amount of power in those situations. They take full advantage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 03:20 PM |
| 0 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?Even if what you say is true, the fact that she could still get some desperate dude off a dating app very quickly is an advantage that men do not have. She could easily replace the guy if she wanted to. I think she might be able to solve the 2nd problem by virtue of being able to go on enough dates. Most men have a very hard time getting dates, especially with women they're actually attracted to so they take whatever is in front of them and tell her whatever it is she wants to hear. If she goes … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 03:00 PM |
| 9 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?I don't believe this at all. I think it's pretty easy for women to get a "relationship" compared to men. A woman can hop on a dating app and get a boyfriend within the next hour if she wanted to. A husband? Not so much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 02:35 PM |
| 7 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?Women who insult men who struggle to obtain casual sex aren't worth even acknowledging. They're just trying to get a rise out of you. They know full well that it's easier for even the least attractive women to get sexual partners than it is for the vast majority of men. Any woman who doesn't know this is a complete idiot and has zero social awareness. An unattractive woman sleeping with dudes with no standards doesn't make her more valuable than the guy who can't get sex at the drop of a hat. It… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 02:00 PM |
| 1 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?The vast majority of people do not find obesity attractive. Certainly not for a long term relationship. A morbidly obese woman can easily get some guy with a six pack for a ONS. A morbidly obese man will never be able to get an IG model looking woman for a ONS. I don't understand why you can't just accept that there are some people who are more attractive than others and that men lower their standards considerably for casual. For a lot men, their standards are "is it better than my hands?" And y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 04:07 AM |
| 2 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?I completely disagree with this. I've met some very unattractive women who slept with dudes with six packs because she made herself very easy. She'd meet them all on Tinder and slept with them super quickly. If you don't believe me, make a fake profile of an obese woman and say you're looking for hookups and be willing to message dudes first. It's pretty much impossible for a woman to be truly incel. There is always some guy who is desperate enough to take whatever is in front of him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 03:59 AM |
| 8 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?I think she might see it as "using" the guys as well. She may not care if these guys find her attractive or cares about her pleasure. She probably doesn't care about those men's pleasure either. She just cares about being to sleep with a bunch of hot guys. More power to her | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 03:55 AM |
| 2 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?I never said that they did sleep with Chads. I said they "get" to sleep with Chads. As in they can exercise the option to do so if they want. I'm well aware that the majority of women don't do this very often. Most of them might do it once or twice though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 03:51 AM |
| 3 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?Eh, I think those guys will just settle for their equivalent or if they're not very bright, they might end up with someone beneath them off a dating app. I think the vast majority of men would jump at the opportunity to date a woman like that even if they argue amongst themselves that a straight up model is unattractive. I think the difference is that women actually get to sleep with Chads, most men aren't getting their Stacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 03:45 AM |
| 6 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?Nah there's actually a great deal of agreement as to what is considered attractive. It's likely these men just weren't very selective about whom they casually slept with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 03:25 AM |
| 22 | When a conventionally unattractive woman low-key brags about her hedonistic sex life, how to rationalize it?Exactly. OP I think it's just best to come to terms with the reality that women have a much easier time dating and getting sex than men do. Anyone who suggests otherwise is being intellectually dishonest and enjoys playing the victim card. Women don't have to work very hard in order to get their desires met. I think feelings of resentment and jealousy towards the situation are pretty natural. You're looking at a woman who is objectively unattractive living a life that you wish you had with minim… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 03:23 AM |
| 2 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenEh I don't really believe that women value mutual attraction more than men do. The studies I've seen on this suggest very little gender differences in desire for mutual attraction. It's more so that men have a harder time finding sexual partners that they're actually attracted to while women can find physically attractive partners much more easily. If a man wants an uncommitted ONS with a woman out of his league, he'll have to pay for it. A woman can get the same thing for free. For women, casua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 03:17 PM |
| 3 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenWomen tend to be pickier about looks than men when it comes to casual sex. Men tend to be pickier about looks when it comes to marriage. I disagree that people stay in their lane for casual sex. Women can very easily get a guy much more attractive than themselves for casual. There was the "pig woman experiment" done a while ago that showed a morbidly obese woman with chest hair and photoshopped pig snout getting hit up for ONS by very muscular men. If a woman makes it sufficiently easy enough, i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 02:37 AM |
| 6 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenIt's not a myth. There's a lot of evidence that men are far less selective than women when it comes to casual sex and that women can easily obtain a much more attractive man for a ONS than they can for a long term relationship. A 50 something woman can pretty easily hookup with a guy 20 years younger. But there's almost no way she'd be able to get married to a guy 20 years younger. Also there's a pretty big difference between a "relationship" and marriage. Plenty of guys are willing to lower the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 01:48 AM |
| 8 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenThere is evidence that women tend to orgasm more with more attractive partners. "Several studies have found that orgasm rate is higher with more attractive partners (Andersson, 1994; Gallup, Ampel, Wedberg, & Pogosjan, 2014; Grammer, Fink, Møller, & Thornhill, 2003; Shackelford et al., 2000). " https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5084725/ There is some evidence to back up what you say though. "Women's reports of orgasm occurrence were highest in response to assisted intercourse (51-60%), se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 11:59 PM |
| 2 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenI never claimed that people in LTRs can't have satisfying sex. I'm saying that the notion that women are disadvantaged because they don't orgasm during casual sex doesn't hold water when many women who are open to casual sex find ways to orgasm during casual sex. Often by being assertive about their desires. No matter how you twist it, having a large pool of men with low standards is of enormous advantage for women who choose to engage in casual sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 11:52 PM |
| -1 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenFrom what I understand in the article, the difference in sexual satisfaction can be explained by attitudes instead of behavior. If you believe that there isn't anything wrong with uncommitted sex, you're more likely to enjoy casual sex, often more so than committed sex. Women who have uncommitted sex are more likely to do certain things to increase their likelihood of having an orgasm and increase sexual satisfaction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 11:45 PM |
| 5 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenThat is not at all what I said. Instead of launching ad hominem attacks, you could read the post more carefully. I made the claim that the number of orgasms doesn't really matter too much for sexual satisfaction and that those who have higher sociosexuality prefer casual sex over committed sex, because, yes, hookup guys are far more attractive than husband material. There are things that a woman can do to improve her likelihood of enjoying a casual sexual encounter. I will concede that if a woma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 11:33 PM |
| -3 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenAs of 2017 we can say that about 22 percent of young women engage in casual sex. "While 18.4% of women reported that intercourse alone was sufficient for orgasm, 36.6% reported clitoral stimulation was necessary for orgasm during intercourse, and an additional 36% indicated that, while clitoral stimulation was not needed, their orgasms feel better if their clitoris is stimulated during intercourse." So it seems that clitoral stimulation increases the pleasure of sex, but isn't necessary for an o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 11:03 PM |
| -2 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenI'm not arguing that women orgasm as much as men. I'm arguing that casual sex isn't necessarily less pleasurable than sex with a familiar or committed partner for a woman. Whenever men bring up that women have an enormous advantage because they can easily find a new partner who is likely to be far more attractive than any man she can get to realistically commit to her, the common retort is "So what? Women don't orgasm during casual sex". It turns out, that it isn't necessarily the case that casu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 10:19 PM |
| 1 | LGBTQ, Feminist, and Body Positivity movements should be men's greatest allies.I don't think men actually vary too much when it comes to their ideal body type in a woman. Most men fantasize about mostly the same thing. Reasonably large breasts and a good waist to hip ratio. There might be some variation in body fat percentage but I don't see a whole lot of men finding obesity or apple shaped women attractive except as a sexual fetish. I'm actually glad that body positivity is on the way out. Way too many obese women with inflated egos after spending too much time on dating… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 06:32 PM |
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