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older men are obviously worth more on the market than older women. This is very true, but it is taboo to say it. Older men with lots of assets and money, while older women rely on family or husband or retirement from dead husband to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:45 PM
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I think that a lot of widows might miss their husbands but they also have fulfilling lives with friends , children and grandchildren. A lot of old men struggle to maintain this type of relationships if they don't have a wife. Yes, naturally relationships with dads are weaker than those with mom. But it is still a win for those men they marry younger women who often are not fertile anymore and never married or divorced years ago. It is a win for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:28 PM
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I think it's because older men often have no idea how to cook or do laundry. You can buy your food outside and even pay for your clothes to be washed. I do it all the time. Women are obsolete on that, and many women don't know about it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:27 PM
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LOL women initiate most divorces, so why not marry quicker?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:25 PM
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The sort of man who is able to find a woman to marry him and stay married is the kind of man who is likely to be able to do it again. So experience? That does not contradict preselection but adds to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:24 PM
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Women are not "selecting" these men. The men go out and get them. So yes, men DO get women by desiring them and then taking action. Men are generally more pro-active than women and that's part of it too. Umm, women can choose to say yes or no and they have more power on that, so yes, women are selecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:23 PM
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the widowed men are lonely and looking for a new wife, while the women may miss their husbands but are less stressed than ever and have no desire to do it all again. Children often care for the mother more, so it makes sense they already have support from family and need to marry less. On younger women usually the support is not still there so those women are more open to marriage so older widower men often marry younger women. It is a win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:22 PM
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the male widower still chose to remarry quickly And women choose to marry them back, so?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:21 PM
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Men actively seek remarriage because they miss having someone to take care of them and their home. That is not a bad reason, but why not explain as usual that men are just hornier? There is nothing wrong with that. I don't get why you make it about domestic affairs. Women also often rely on men for economic help, especially older women. But older women often have now government support and their children sending them money... still they find ways to be poor and find themselves needing to marry. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:21 PM
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Yea, it’s about processing. I felt like a lot of them try to treat the next woman they’re with like they’re therapist. It kind of turned me off dating, I won’t lie. Well, a lot of women marry for economic reasons and support. Older women rely less on that because children help them but often a husband helps a lot on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:18 PM
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Do I think it's accurate to say that men probably "hurry" to replace the lost woman? Yes, I think that's accurate. I would suspect the most obvious explanation being that because men rely upon their woman to help them process and deal with their emotions, they may be seeking another "wife" to help them process and deal with the loss of their wife. I agree men rely on emotional support of women more, but often women also rely on economic support from men. So it is mutually beneficial. You may arg…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:17 PM
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If sticking it out with a woman until she dies is what supposedly makes the men more attractive, then how do you explain divorced men also getting remarried quicker? I guess preselection also works here for some women. Also women are the ones more likely to ask for a divorce. Preselection is not the main point in all that - you’re ignoring that the men are the ones making the decision to remarry here. Last time I checked women also decide to marry them and are not being forced. I think it plays …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 01:15 PM
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There are endless ways to find connection and meaning. Agreed, but I argued a partner is the most efficient way to get it . That is OK you are OK being single, but the fact people prefer a partner to being single suggests that having a partner has its advantages. Otherwise they would stay single. Also most people who claim to be happy single also have sexual and looks privilege, they can get sex relatively easy or even a partner. They just don't want to check their own privilege. If not having a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:54 PM
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Men also need to be entertained Yes, but women don't need any talent for that. Just open legs. Somehow women delude themselves to think they are entertaining individuals. No, most of them are boring as hell. Ironically ugly and average women are funnier in groups because they don't have looks privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:52 PM
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I think preselection is very important. "Hey that guy had a gf for years, maybe he is for me now" It also explains why women fuck married men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:37 PM
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Our population is far too large overall There is no evidence overpopulation is a problem. In fact, per capita we contaminate less (e.g. we don't kill whales for oil for lighting), and per capital life quality is better, people live longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:35 PM
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boring looking dudes with no definable build Ironic women talk about boring guys, while women are only interesting to men for a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:34 PM
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Do they value them or they just want to sleep with it? Because that’s not the same thing… Men value women regardless of sexuality, but sexuality still have way more value for men than it has for women. I guess it is hormonal. Why do women care so much about this? Sex is just as physiological and as real as love, peace, etc. Women insist in seeing it as something nasty. That’s probably why women said they preferred dating once they left their early 20s because they felt like they were taken more …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:32 PM
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There are a lot of people who are happy without partners..really happy. I'm sure there are more people that are deeply unhappy without a partner, though. Also it is not about what is better, but if you never had a relationship you will never know if you would have been happier in it or alone. Have you seen almost everyone who say what you say has a relationship or a history of it? They speak from a position of privilege and believe everyone will be happy just in the situation they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:29 PM
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If you have experience to compare, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:26 PM
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If life is boring for you without a partner, it’s still going to be boring with one. By that logic no one would have a partner because it would make no difference. You are not being only dishonest, but also illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:25 PM
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Like sorry you're incapable of tolerating your own company for extended periods of time More victim blaming, typical from women who can get anything with just a text for just having a vagina. Women don't need to be interesting, just attractive. You attribute yourself too much credit for stuff that was given to you by heavens.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:24 PM
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We live in an age where you can have information about any topic in the world beamed right into your home. You can travel anywhere in the world for the most part. If you are bored then you need to work on not being a boring person It is even easier to use drugs. Why not use drugs? They are cheaper than travelling, they make you feel great. Your hedonist argument is so stupid. No pleasure or experience can replace for actual connection and love and meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:23 PM
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You need friends an a community, not a partner. That is even harder than a partner. You don't just go to a community and everyone accepts you. Some people have to work, some people cannot have enough time with people to build any meaningful relationship. In a sense, a partner is a community that is easier to maintain and keep and exclusive, but if that is hard, community is even harder because automatization.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:21 PM
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Talking about boyfriends and sex, with a flair saying you're 19, to people who might be anywhere up to twice as old as you and who have experienced years more loneliness than you've even had being old enough to have sex, about how we don't "need" those things. I realized women are socialized to have ZERO empathy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:20 PM
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Plenty of single men live pretty decent lives without any kind of romance, believe it or not. Yes and it is terrible and women like you will never understand so that explains your lack of empathy. Being single gives you a lot more freedom in that way. And having a partner probably won't fix a boring life or a boring person. More coping. Also non boring is a terrible guide for relationshps.... no wonder women end up dating criminals, it is so thriling. Women also talk about others being boring wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:19 PM
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Being alone is better than being in a shit or mediocre relationship, but being in a great relationship is better than being alone IDK, plenty of people stick to bad relationships because loneliness sucks. That suggests that bad relationships need to be terrible to actually be worse than loneliness. Women who leave relationships for any stupid thing usually do because they have options of other relationships. What does that say you about relationships? For me, it says that loneliness is so bad th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:17 PM
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Life becomes boring alone if you aren't an interesting person or don't like your own company. No, because usually you need an unknown variable to feel interest, such as another person. It does not matter how interesting your are if you cannot show it to a special one or share it. You are just victim blaming, and honestly women are like this because they are never truly alone and they are very dishonest when they claim otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:15 PM
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It’s very easy to be happy as a celibate woman. Yes, because you still have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:13 PM
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That is a good point to consider. I thought it made status even more relevant because a false image of success is sold online.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:34 PM
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Yes, statistics say that like 25% of younger men are virgin or did not have sex for years. And a lot good of others have had sex for a while but not anymore. Most of them don't have control on stuff such as height or income, there are not many jobs, so I would not call them pathetic. Women are very picky and women always sacrifice a good chunk of men for that, that is what pays for their lifestyle and lightweight noble life for just being women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:31 PM
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Well, if they don't have options, I guess many people will have no other choice :/ But don't worry, I don't expect it to be as widespread as people believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:27 PM
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Yes, sexually men value youth and beauty, while women value resources and power in men, and increasingly on looks too. Women are way harshier on men than men just choosing younger, but both judgements are unfair for most of the people in the gender in their own way. Men do value some older women, in the context of family: their moms, grandmas, auties, wives, etc. but sexually they value younger women more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:24 PM
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Men are so confusing, men get mad when women assume all men want to fuck them, but also get mad when women assume not all men want to fuck them and can be purely platonic with them. You can’t win as a woman with men. I think it is a mistake to see men as a hive mind in the first place. In a sense I feel women assume men are simpler than they are, so they get tricked every time by men, while men assume women are more complex than they really are so they usually don't even try. Both strategies are…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:22 PM
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A man who marries a whore loses status because she is a public woman, but a man who marries a virgin that is young and nice won the lottery in a sense, so they get better respect, single men are not invited to anything usually but women are etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 09:27 PM
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Yes, in the same token women would probably live in primitive arrangement because men would not be inventing stuff, protecting them, enforcing rights, etc. But these hypothetical scenarios are not useful because they are too far from reality and lurking on them is not as useful. Men and women are not going away, they are not going to live gender segregated lives either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 09:26 PM
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Hopefully they stop simping such as helping women with a flat tire or shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:59 PM
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There is enough dick for everyone :D
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:39 PM
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I have not been fair to women... yes, men start looking for sex, but after a while they start looking for actual love and a family. On women it is the opposite, they start looking for love and relationships and they get more sexual when they get them. So yes, I said this cruel statement just to troll, and although it has some truth in it, it is more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:22 PM
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We will up to see what the consequences of sex robots will be, but at this point I think it is just about time they will eventually come and see if at the long run it is better than actual relationships... I mean, I don't think porn was so positive for men, but who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:15 PM
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I mean sure, screw women, but why don’t you just work for other men? Men only work and cooperate with other men to get money to have their own women and resources. If men are only on their own, why spend money on getting a house or improving anything? Just get enough for yourself and don't give any surplus to society, they don't owe society anything. I guess we can see this today as men choose video games over actual useful skills such as working with wood because, what is the point? However, me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:08 PM
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Being another women for chad is not ideal, but plenty of women just accept that as reality and can somehow get company and sex that a lot of men cannot dream of any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:56 PM
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Well, it is a crucial experience that most men will never get anyway. So a lot will give up on the effort, not on the desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:54 PM
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Well, in this economy the guy cannot pay for them all unless he is a billionaire, and not enough valuable men are like that. They will have way better options than average women. Even in the past kings had eunuchs and lords to pay for their wives. I don't think men are returning to serving kings and women are not returning to be property for that to work like in the past. The laws will likely still make the father pays for the children, so that is an incentive for chad to not have children becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:17 PM
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Celebrities have millions to spend in that. Most people barely can pay for their own family. I observed most people who adopt usually do when they already have biological children or when they cannot have biological children. In both options, adoption seems like a secondary choice. Step parents are OK but it is OK to love a child of the person you love, but it will never be like your child, and stepfathers cannot even control them in their own houses. It is a nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:11 PM
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There will prolly be a period where it is weird but if enough men like them that will go away and no one will care. I'd argue those men will also not care about working a lot, or paying taxes except to pay for the robot. Makeup, sex market, etc. industries and other similar industries real women use to manipulate men and get money and resource off, will probably be less valuable. But at least women will have chad so they will likely be OK, even when chad will never give them children because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:09 PM
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polyginy probably is going to be more common and accepted for higher status men. It already kind of is. But it will be different as in the past. In the past the main man cares for all his women and paid for them, but in the future women will work themselves and probably even pay chad to be with them in a pseudo-relationship for a while. It will be wild regardless what happens. I just hope the rest of men are not dumb enough to work and keep paying taxes for such sexual groups with higher quality…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:04 PM
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I'd argue sugar mamas may actually cost men status... getting older women, who are not fertile, are entitled, and older and worse in every other metric, is not nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:03 PM
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No, but that is what makes the dynamic worth it. Men can get anything from love to friendship from friends, etc. Only frequent sex is what most men cannot easily get except in the context of dating women, so obviously this makes women more valuable for sex first.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:02 PM
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I think vibrators are already good enough for women, but it will not make any difference for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:47 PM
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Women are half voters, they even are pushing laws in Scandinavia to forbid men from doing that, I suppose regulating machines and tech in their own country will be even easier. Women don't want men to be happy because otherwise who they will manipulate to get money and resources from?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:37 PM
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They will fuck chad anyway, so they don't even need that to filter any men that are invisible to them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:35 PM
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Femininity roots back to Nature and transcends rationality and logic; it simply can’t get replicated by man. Nice romantic view, but truth is women love tech and their women's rights bubble and protection is against nature, it is allowed by civilization and tech. Women love an idea of nature, they don't love to survive on their own in the wild and defend themselves. They rather use men for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:35 PM
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Sure, but sorry, no ATM machine as real men. Also women can get real men at any time they want with just an app, so it would be spending money on just proving men "look i can have a robot too" LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:30 PM
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Anyways, when robots get to the point where they are non recognizable with real women, idgaf what other dudes think of me. I'll be having fun with my dream girl. I want to think that, but I guess for most men it will be more like coping.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:29 PM
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It would be amazing to escape from this shitty reality, at least for a few hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:28 PM
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Single life will be perceived as a full-fledged alternative to life in a relationship in terms of social status. I'm skeptical to this because if single life become valuable, partnered life becomes even more valuable. That seems to be the trend... since partnered life is harder challenge and harder to keep and get, it is considered more valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:28 PM
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Then maybe men need to have higher standards and have more expectations from women. Sure, but only top men have such luxury to choose. Most men only get what they have for luck. Sadly most women will end up with men that would rather be with younger, beautiful women, but it seems women don't care and neither those men. Most people will have to settle for second or last choice, and sometimes staying alone is also a second choice if they wanted a partner. Woman can give you sex, romantic relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:26 PM
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Non-duchbags have more complex and sophisticated reasons, but they want the same. I mean, if there is no sex, why would ANY man marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:23 PM
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Exactly, women will not gave up to the think that gives them the most value, they will shame men that use prostitutes and sex robots, otherwise the women's cartel falls.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:22 PM
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It's sad to think that everything in some men's lives revolve around sex and romantic relationship. Not all men, but most men. It is not that men don't have other motivations, but since only women can give those things, then women become more important for them. I find equally as sad women need to manipulate men for sex and false reward to get labor and wealth and even their lives out of them to keep their bubble running. Women cannot accept that only reason most men tolerate them is that they h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:59 PM
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I think you will be surprised to learn that most men view someone who tries to use their success with women for status as a huge douchebag. Why are you surprised? That is part of the motivation, just as money is for women to date men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:57 PM
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It is called minimalism. I mean, if they are happy as that, it makes sense, why spend more on stuff that don't add anything to what you really care about?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:55 PM
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Back when I had no experience with women, I will definitely say the social pressure of having no experience certainly outweighed my actual desire to get it. Same. It is indeed an overvalued experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:53 PM
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"Society" (or part of it) that disrespects single men is not "society"; it's a bunch of corrupted mafia-like mobsters. Agree, but those men don't really have any leverage to choose otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:52 PM
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Getting companionship can in many cases be just as difficult for women as it is for men. IDK, it seems women have way more leverage as they don't have to approach or do anything but go out and smile. I get some men only want sex, but they can filter out those men and eventually get a good one. Meanwhile most men cannot get women even with effort. So I'm empathic to women not being able to get relationships, but at the end I cannot deny they have way more chances to get one if they want, even if …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:49 PM
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I hope you are right, but women here usually have opinions that don't necessarily most women in the real world agree with. Even lesser stuff like some types of porn or prostitutions have been banned in some countries on feminist ground. There is a demand for prostitution, why is not so common and legal as it was for most of the past? I expect a similar dynamic for sexual robots, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:21 PM
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Men can just work enough to get some shed and food. Many men do that. Family is a privilege, but if you are not getting it or at least the possibility of it, men can live for way less just for themselves. No, men don't need a house or a decorated apartment or even furniture. They only get that if they can get sex or a family to share with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:19 PM
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For instance, it probably won't just be men that are using companion bots. I'm sure women are not as horny and a vibrator is enough for them, and a male robot will likely be a liability as he will not give them cash as real men anyway. They rather turn lesbians or something. Still women having sex robots wouldn't affect their status because they can get a real man at any point anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:16 PM
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How will men pay for sex robots? Whose going to make them? I mean, meanwhile. Those robots will probably be banned or made unaccessible for most people for some feminist stupid reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:14 PM
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I'm sure men can live without a lot of comfort that women assume they need. But yes, fear of homelessness is a thing that may inspire men to do just enough to avoid that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:13 PM
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Again it doesn’t matter if it’s real or not. Becky’s relationship with chad isn’t real, but as long as she believes it is then that’s good enough. She will say she’s in a relationship, he will say he’s single. That is a good point, she imagines relationship with chad for having sex with him once every 6 months, and men imagine a relationship with robots. Still I feel both are coping just for pride of not depending on another, which ironically makes them kind of resentful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:12 PM
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Not really. Men give other things like company or love, but most of those things men can get from friends. Even electric cooking devices replaced a lot of what housewives used to do. Sex and status of a relationships are still things men cannot get without women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 03:10 PM
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I'm not saying that men will not choose sex robots, they will, but they will not feel them as a true and honest replacement to real relationships and it feels rather as coping.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:55 PM
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Sure, just pointing out that it feels like... coping, not as a true, honest decision made from a comfortable position. It is like finding a shelter and claiming "hey, I did not get a house, but I'm happy in this homeless shelter" when obviously a house or apartment would have been ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:54 PM
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It may be a logical choice from those men, but still, it is from a disempowered position.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:47 PM
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But women are still the limiting factor for status and family. In a sense, porn has partially replaced sex and yet women are not more open to relationships, but even closer and more valuable than ever. I expect robots to force the same trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:46 PM
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Sure, but it is not by choice, they just have been rejected and do it on spite. In a sense they have not dropped out of society, they were expelled out of it, and they stopped trying to get into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:43 PM
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What’s sad about it exactly? I’m sure people 20-30 years ago thought people communicating on the internet instead of in person was sad. Time changes, people adapt, these things becomes normalized. Yes, but in the same way online dating became as hard as in real life, if not harder. So the status of dating online is preserved as status of dating in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:37 PM
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It escapes me how men are still paying taxes and working shitty jobs if they don't have a family, LOL Let infrastructure rotten, or better, actively try to make it decay and just watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:32 PM
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I fail to see how this is just a men's only thing. Given the fact that more women are ditching men in favor of toys, I would think both men and women alike would be making their perfect AI companion that also deals with those sorts of needs. I guess it does not affect women's status because they can get a man if they want anyway. Meanwhile, for men it is seen as coping.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:31 PM
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A lot of men are just gonna move on and be like “oh well, if they don’t want anyone bothering them, may as well use the robots.” Yes, I agree, but always it will be a subpair choose, sadly. Most women will also be unlikely to have a stable trustful man to have a family and such, but they don't seem to care anyway so I suppose it is not as bad for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:22 PM
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Yes, women want the power of men, the privilege of women and the accountability of a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:31 PM
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Porn is also better than women, but male libido is too high to stay there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:30 PM
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True, also home electric devices made housewives as obsolete or redundant, so it makes sense to drop chivalry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:30 PM
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Because men are in charge of the world, men have defined being able to restrain their power and dominance over women as good. Not anymore, not women either... pussy and male libido are the moving forces now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:29 PM
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True, today it is seen as just a way to try to get attention and approval from women rather than manners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:28 PM
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No, but many of those girls usually would still have sex with that kind of guy if the chance comes for "fun", which suggest those women are not trustworthy for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:36 PM
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If you want a relationship, having sex for fun is not a good lifestyle. It suggests that relationship life with exclusivity is not for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:35 PM
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Modern chivalry means more than just holding the door open for women or carrying their groceries. It’s about defending the most vulnerable in society. These include women, children, the elderly, the sick, society’s minorities, the underrepresented, and the disadvantaged. So basically a Democrat. It seems a little myopic to assume you have to have a political view to be like that. People that don't support government doing stuff like that usually don't support it because government uses those inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:27 PM
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Well, even today men are called to move heavy stuff or clean things in the office, so maybe that was a similar dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:58 PM
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Maybe in the past car doors were somehow tricky to open, or too heavy? I have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:39 PM
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That is true, but don't underestimate male horniness to not care about that. Those men may also see themselves as "teachers" of them. Same as men that claim they want women without experience because they can easily teach them that sexual stuff themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:38 PM
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I mean, organizations created to help people in poor countries, government assistance, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:36 PM
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I think your view of chivalry seems good, it is well adapted to progressive times and places, while traditional chivalry was more about tradition and gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:36 PM
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Yes, it helped me to be more confident, but I have other issues too to overcome and be more confident. Riches and nice stuff often show you that you are looking for true happiness and love where it is not, so it helps to show you that you need to look elsewhere. So I'd say it helps but only if you are already happy with the little you have. Riches made it either worse what is bad and better what is already good, like a magnifying glass. At least that is what I have learned in my personal experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:34 PM
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Usually men help and assist more women they feel attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:30 PM
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Someone protecting someone from verbal or online bullying would be a modern example of chivalry. A man keeping his cool and not being easily angered would also be chivalry. Volunteering in general. This is true, maybe we replaced a lot of traditional chivalry with institutionalized charity and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:29 PM
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I think it was a beautiful institution made by our ancestors to counter the oppression, but some people may argue it is not needed anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:14 PM
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I am not interested in your chivalry. Fortunately, the people close to me do not treat me as though I were an incompetent child. That is OK, but plenty of women see it as a privilege they enjoy (even if it is not based on positive ideas of women).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:12 PM
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Haha the stereotypes of blondes may be true! I remember I got my BMW and women looked at me and smiled me more at work. I thought it was a meme and men just were imagining things when they calimed that, but apparently it is true. Not anything significant, but it was funny to know it was somewhat true. Maybe ideas people have have a core of truth that is worthy to taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:11 PM
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But it is impossible to do it with every woman if you interact with them every 10 minutes, not like in the past when workplaces were segregated by gender. It is not feasible for men to be like that anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:08 PM
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When the love of a man is the prize a woman is always the loser. A man's love is usually stifling and controlling and has negative utility and generally ruins a woman's life. So don't look for it if it is so bad? Women can easily get sex, men want sex, they can have a deal without shitty stuff like relationships and love... but for some reason women are the ones wanting that more. If men had frequent sex with no need for a relationship, why would they have any?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:07 PM
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Sexism may be a term that is too weighted on the negative to use in this context, but still it is behavior that is not required and is more about politeness that is still based on assuming men are women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:05 PM
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Let me explain, I copy and past what I've said in other comment. I mean behavior that is polite, but mostly done by men to women, such as opening the car door for them, giving them your coat, giving them your umbrella, helping her seat at a restaurant, etc. even when women can do it themselves with no issues. It is sexist because it is gendered behavior, but that is not automatically bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:03 PM
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It depends on the usage of the word. It is like racism can be used to say stuff such as "Asians are good at math", it is still a racist claim just as claiming the opposite, but not seen as bad because it is usually positive, yet it is still racist because it assumes a race is smart in the same token you can assume a race isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:57 PM
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Why do women care so much about commitment again? You can be a forever gf and get exactly everything a wife gets... children, house, money, etc. and don't scare the man away with consequences of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:34 PM
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What definitions of sexism you think is better?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:33 PM
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Only if you think that all sexism is bad. Truth is that historically sexism was just well established and strongly enforced gender roles, not necessarily always detrimental for a gender or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:33 PM
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I mean behavior that is polite, but mostly done by men to women, such as opening the car door for them, giving them your coat, giving them your umbrella, helping her seat at a restaurant, etc. even when women can do it themselves with no issues. It is sexist because it is gendered behavior, but that is not automatically bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:31 PM
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I mean behavior that is polity, mostly done by men to women, such as opening the car door for them, giving them your coat, giving them your umbrella, helping her seat at a restaurant, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:23 PM
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I mean behavior that is polity, mostly done by men to women, such as opening the car door for them, giving them your coat, giving them your umbrella, helping her seat at a restaurant, etc. Sexism is anything that is only focused on one sex from another, even without any obvious reason for it. It is not good or bad by default, it just is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:23 PM
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Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:21 PM
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I understand. Also consider many men also don't approach best women when they are not high value themselves for shame or risk of rejection. I'm glad you are shining, and I hope the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:08 PM
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Sure, but those men are already taken. So next best value men may be perfect on everything, but they choose younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:07 PM
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I, like pretty much everyone in my city hold the door open for whoever is behind me. I mean, going to the passenger door of a car and opening it, which is rarer. I also open door to anyone behind me, sorry I did not clarify. But I do agree there is a lot of overlap among basic decency, public good behaviors, chivalry and manners. I'm focused more on the good manners mostly done to women from men, which are increasingly rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:05 PM
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What exactly do you do that's so much more exciting than what a woman does? What's your job and hobbies? I'm a software developer, and I have no real hobbies, so I'm dead boring, which is OK because I do not expect to be interesting anyway. However, I notice that usually in groups men are the ones providing the fun and entertainment, while women are mostly spectators. That is why I say women are more boring, but that does not mean that as a bad thing, but rather they have a more passive role tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:02 PM
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Firstly, chivalry is not just reserved for a few "important" women. It is a code of behavior that should be applied to all people, regardless of gender. It is mostly semantics. Usually people prefer the term "basic decency" on that case. Opening doors to women, helping with chairs, etc. usually don't apply in that criteria you seem to describe. While it may be true that men are not as chivalrous as they were in the past with random women, that does not excuse the fact that chivalry is still a fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:51 PM
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Usually those privileges were attached to serving in military or similar, so only men got them. It made perfect sense to compensate men somehow so that put women in disadvantage. It does not justify that, but it explains why it is started as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:43 PM
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It is not men's fault on how they view women. All women are valuable at any age, although more valuable young, older women are still more valuable than men their age. You can live your youth with a special one. In fact it is funnier to explore the world with a special one. Only reason younger men are not usually partnered is because women are not into them at that age. Most men want a relationship and love at ANY age. Meanwhile younger women have plenty of options of men at any age to choose if …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:40 PM
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I find it so strange how these people understand that most men aren’t ready for marriage until their 30s but believe women are ready for marriage at 18. Your argument assumes men and women want the same. What women expect from men is what they achieve. What men expect from women is mostly fertility, youth, etc. So it makes sense women to marry younger, when best men's eyes are on them and with men that have money, and for men they get fertility, youth, beauty, etc. So it is an ideal arrangement.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:39 PM
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Also both MEN and WOMEN are taking marriage more seriously than previous generations and are more selective of WHO they choose as a marriage partner. Not really, they find anything they can outside of marriage: commitment, love, children, family, sex, etc. Marriage is more like a symbolic contract because you can get all of it outside of it, but with still legal consequences. They are not taking marriage more seriously, but rather as unnecessary and in many cases even stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:36 PM
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the entire game is stacked against heterosexual women because men are what they are. On the contrary, that makes women ask for free stuff and favors and money and have more options, even if they don't find those options desirable. The game is not stacked against women, women play in tutorial mode and still complain and find ways to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:34 PM
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Just curious, were you fat, or you did not have fashionable clothes being younger? Were you depressed or anxious as a younger girl? A lot of women look better older because simple changes in makeup and weight and clothes, but if those variables remain equal they are still more valuable younger for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:32 PM
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Maybe that’s sometimes the case, but these women usually are not being invited to hang with their friends That is a good observation, I observed that dynamic more in group dynamics in work environment where mostly men work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:30 PM
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You are consistently showing a staggering lack of empathy towards women here. Why do you assume that? I'm empathic to women, but also to men being rejected and assumed to be violent for just a woman putting down a conversation, even when the chance of that happening is way less than dying in a car crash. Women still have orbiters to protect them anyway. They are just protecting their image by making their ugly friend take the hate, which is nasty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:28 PM
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But anyway, women peep the sobering reality of male sexuality when they turn 11 and 40 year old men start trying to be inside them, lol Well, it is natural desire in men to like younger women, just as women love men with resources. It is fair, it evens out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:25 PM
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"America sucks" Wow such an original opinion in reddit. Facts is that America only sucks to a minority of small countries. America is great compared to most of the world, yes, even for dating as Americans have more money to move and find love elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:24 PM
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As a man your dating pool increases as you age, while as a woman your dating pool drastically decreases as you age because of these factors. Maybe, but those are because women's choices, not because men are picky or rejecting women. Mature Women who are open to date younger or date divorced men, or be stepmothers have plenty of options, and when they were young they had even more options yet they did not choose in that window. Meanwhile plenty of men don't have any options even having no standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:22 PM
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the men in this sub are completely out of touch with reality and seem to think that every single man is looking to marry a 19- year-old girl… If they can get a younger woman, why would they not get one? Don't worry, only a few men are that valuable, most of them know only single moms with tattoos are their only options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:19 PM
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Despite what y'all preach, there are plenty of men in their 30s available and looking for marriage from other 30-something women. Only men that cannot get sex easily want that, or those tired of having lots of sex being younger, or men that are divorced, or men that lie about wanting commitment, or men that have children, etc. None of them are desirable for women nor good potential partners, and men that are high value can look younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:17 PM
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Why do women care so much about commitment again? You can be a forever gf and get exactly everything a wife gets... children, house, money, etc. and don't scare the man away with consequences of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:15 PM
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Tinder stats prove this wrong. 90% of women are not more valuable than most men, and yet they act as such because they have lower libido, not because they have anything else to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:14 PM
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To her it's about personal safety. Maybe, but at the cost of her friend looking disagreeable and nasty. Not very nice, when equally safe options exist but they don't end up like the "perfect princess". But hey, that is their problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:08 PM
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Sure, better if my fat friend loses her teeth, not me. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:07 PM
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I prefer this explanation to simply direct halo effect. Being the ugly or average girl or boy of any group must take a toll in mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:06 PM
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Yeah, maybe ugly people don't like each other so that is why they are so bitter, with little to lose. That explains the bitchy attitude of average girls and the entitled attitude of some average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:05 PM
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I understand that generalizations often cost individuality, but if averages add and we see patterns, maybe it is wise to discuss them. Even if I am wrong and my patterns are inaccurate, that can help me and others find why such prejudice exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:02 PM
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Women control the sexual market. Men control the relationship market. Poor consequences in the sexual market are women’s fault. Poor consequences in the relationship market are men’s fault. Aren't most divorces initiated by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:01 PM
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I'm talking from the perspective of guys. You are a woman and you know the perspective of girls, sure, but I know the perspective of guys. Maybe it is there a tradeoff... maybe beautiful girls are initially sweet and they get very harsh and calculating, while average girls start rude but they get more sweet and nice if they know the guy. That seems to be a valid explanation that may fit your experience and mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:00 PM
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Maybe that is, they just respond neutral, but why average and ugly girls have to be so rude? I'm not denying beautiful girls are pickier, but rarely they need to be rude unless there is insistence or annoying guy around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:58 PM
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I would get if guys considered interactions with beautiful women as more positive, but often it is not just the interactions they make, but common day interactions... such as asking permission to pass or just asking for time. Underaverage or average girls seems to assume a lot of things more than beautiful girls and respond very nasty to totally neutral and normal conversations. It is odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:57 PM
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I have noticed that guys treat ugly girls as other guys, but not with the intention to be offensive. Guys use nasty or sexual comments among themselves as jokes, so it makes sense those girls feel sexually harassed by listening to them. The irony is that those men probably see the girl as a friend and treat them as equal, not as inferior, but obviously she sees such interaction is inferior to the interactions they have with attrative women, which gives them grounds to feel offended, and that is …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:55 PM
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Putting sexual interest high.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:42 PM
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Women simply don’t want to have sex with men they find unattractive. That’s it. Men can be extremely rude to women they don’t find attractive, especially fat women. See the subtle irony of these statements? Men don't treat rude fat or ugly girls, they just ignore them or don't buy them drinks because they are not attracted to them. Women are treated as royalty and treating them rude in public is grounds to make lots of enemies, so I assume you mean men don't give them attention... but what is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:41 PM
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Except you did in the line I quoted from you: 'The guy usually has to put all effort after this, but it is refreshing they at least have a chance.' Sorry I did not clarify. I was talking chance to talk to them, not chance to get a relationship. My bad. This literally just means she likes talking with you. She's a lesbian which means she has no romantic interest in you, so I'm not sure what this example has to do with anything Sure, but it is odd that if women find interactions with men so annoyi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:38 PM
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I'm not sure that's true, there's a good case for men expecting to be rejected by someone they perceive out of their league but shooting their shot anyway and offended when someone within, or even below rejects them because that's a lot more ego shattering. It is possible, but that is mostly in the context of interactions for dating. I'm talking about common, everyday interactions. It seems average and ugly and fat girls usually assume me talking to them, even if it is to ask them to get out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:36 PM
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As a "cute" girl, I'm often nicer to strange people approaching out of a defense mechanism. If you're too bitchy, they may become aggressive and you may be seen as deserving whatever happens after that. Thus, I usually try to strike a chord of nice, but sweet disinterest and taking it as a compliment. Fourthly, look, no matter what anyone says, I find it pretty exhausting to be bitchy to guys unless they seem like total absolute creeps. I mean, that is a very mature way to handle any interaction…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:34 PM
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You seem very wise. You are right, this trend seems to be more general, like a dynamic in people of the same looks class or something. I wonder if good looking people may treat other good looking people bad too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:30 PM
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I understand, this makes more sense. However, usually women going out looking to date are not that shy, but I can imagine some situations you just want to be with friends and not be approached and saying "no" is hard for shy girls. That makes way more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:32 PM
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I could understand the explanation for the cockblocker, but I still don't get why beautiful and cute women are way nicer than average women if they are approached and "bothered" more by men, even when they don't need to and even when they don't get anything out of it. Average and ugly women can also piss men off, so I don't get the point. Maybe the cockblocker was not the best example for the actual point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:27 PM
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I could understand the explanation for the cockblocker, but I still don't get why beautiful and cute women are way nicer than average women if they are approached and "bothered" more by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:26 PM
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I'm sure it works for most men, though, especially if the interaction is just stating and the guy has not invested drinks or time in you. Sure, a few men may insist, but in that case you can use such methods you were using in the first place. It is not OK to play with other people's dignity, be it just a random man or an ugly friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:25 PM
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u/JNRoberts42 Did I quote you correctly? Moderate women don't want a sex pest around
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:21 PM
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Sure, objects to protect yourself from traffic accidents. You are using your ugly friend as a contention object LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:18 PM
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> The guy usually has to put all effort after this, but it is refreshing they at least have a chance. They don't, though, and she knows that and hopes he realizes it, too. It depends on the guy, though, and she being nice is way better chance than she straight up shaming you for just daring to talk to her... it may be 0.001% chance but still better than 0% with a bitch. You are taking the hypothetical example too seriously, maybe it hits a nerve or something? Because men overestimate their perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:13 PM
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You've never asked a friend to help with a task you didn't want to do? Wow it must be so hard to just say "I'm not interested" before a man invested anything in you to get angry about in the first place. It must be exhausting. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:10 PM
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What do you mean? Being treated well is something you can look at and observe. Being treated well has nothing to do with the true intentions, though, if that is what you mean. But that is one of the theories. Those women have less experience with men, they feel used, or bad experiences by being used as steps by men to get to their hot friends, so they get angry at men even talking to them. It is a reasonable assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:09 PM
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You are just ignoring what men are saying because you want to believe women cannot be less than angels.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:06 PM
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Don't get me wrong: Some attractive women are nasty and men know it, but usually they are not significantly nastier than average girls. If women were nastier for being approached, then cute girls would be the nastiest, but they are not. They are picky, but they don't try to shame men or put them down as average men. Halo effect works both ways... if a person you adore rejects you, it hurts more, so men would see those women as even nastier than they are. I used to think that was my bias, but I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:05 PM
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Women regularly get killed or attacked for turning down dates, not to mention rape and worse. Not more common than traffic accidents, though. Seems like an exaggerated fear to just use as an excuse to use ugly friends as scapegoats. Nasty, but not surprising from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:02 PM
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Are you nuts? Safety is far from a shitty excuse. Go to r/whenwomenrefuse for a sampling. That is just a bad way to prove anything. I can show you a video for any person of any race and claim something racist, for example. You're correct that men can turn violent any time they are rejected, not just at the beginning. The logical conclusion seems to be that women should interact with men as little as possible. Is that your desired outcome? Men get violent if they feel rejected after investing. Ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:01 PM
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I used to think that was my bias, but I hear so many men claim the same. Beautiful girls are still picker than ever, but they are not nasty to men and they can keep interesting and respectful normal conversations. It gets even wilder. The few women that speak to me first or interact with me for friendship are hotter than average. Not the case for average girls at my look level, who often see me as "eww". I don't get it at all, I though it was just my experience but so many men seem to say someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:51 PM
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Even if that is the case, that is not a reason to treat like shit men that actually treat you good and are into you. It seems self-sabotaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:46 PM
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Yeah, I get people treating you well spirals into seeing a word as a nicer place and treating others better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:44 PM
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I have to add to my post, this also happens among celebrities. These fat singers and how they feel entitled to hot men being desperate for them in their music videos LOL: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShlW5plD\_40 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uLI6BnVh6w
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:35 PM
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I think we disagree on what being nice is for men. I mean just not being nasty to the person, you seem to mean buying expensive stuff to a girl for just existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:32 PM
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Why would women prioritize being "honest" with some random stranger whose opinion means nothing to us, over being safe? IDK it seems safety is being used as a shitty excuse here to exploint friendship. I'm suer car death are way more common than women being attacked for just rejection to a simple men. Men also get angry at rejection on later stages, such as saying no after a date or something, not to just being rejected for talking to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:31 PM
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I initially considered the halo effect, but think about it: It hurts more for men to be rejected by beautiful women if they are also nasty on that. Men would perceive beaitufil women as way more nastier but they don't. It even gets more bizzare. In my work I had a coworker that sit by me at lunch and we went to go to launch with me, and a female neighbor that is also hot loves to initiate conversations with me. Meanwhile, average girls rarely talked to me or approached me, even in totally neutra…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:29 PM
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She's being the bad guy because she knows dicks like you already dislike her for being fat so she might as well protect her friend from getting hurt. Wow she must feel so glad of having the honor to clean the shit of her more beautiful, more attractive friend. Basically status feudalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:14 PM
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We do it because there is safety in numbers and men tend to be less hostile when it's a third party doing the rejecting. I'd say they rather are hostile to the blocker, which again suggest the friend is being used as a scapegoat.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:14 PM
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​ If you’re curious why the hot girl doesn’t just tell you to fuck off, I suggest you visit r/whenwomenrefuse I'm sure car death is way more common, though. Seems like a shitty excuse to just keep your "innocent" image at the cost of friends or just the inconvenience of speaking for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:13 PM
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Generally you can talk to a whole group of women if you are calm and don’t have your dick in your hand. IDK it seems you expect the man to be dishonest, talking and interacting to girls he is not into, while clearly he is looking for dating as everyone around. Would not that be a little dishonest and kind of also a way to use your ugly friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:11 PM
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All them good explanations, indeed. They make perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:06 PM
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Kind of sad those people burn their own bridges, though. If I'm not treated nice by anyone, it is a reason to appreciate being treated nice by someone that may see in me something special.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:05 PM
1

But that is still rejection anyway. If anything, she is exposing her friend to greater danger as other men may see her as a spoiler and a threat to those violent men. It would be more honest for her to say, "I'm not interested" and her friend supporting her. Just pointing out how shitty is for her to use her friend that way. Like royalty using peasants to fight their wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:04 PM
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Have you seriously never considered that women see unwanted attention as a threat. Their insecurity is their problem, though. 99% of such interactions will not end in violence, and if it is a public place she has plenty of orbiters to protect her. Just pointing out using their ugly friends to do the nasty job is very shitty behavior. Obviously, the reason is to not look disagreeable with others around, at the cost of her friend looking way worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:02 PM
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Oh I get it, so a lot of women are only into men for money and wealth they can get off them, and they can only do that if they look attractive. Got it. So average girls treat men bad, and they do just as attractive girls would if they did not have the looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:58 PM
1

Also plenty of women do say no. Doesn’t mean the guy will respect it. Agreed, but he may not respect her friend either. She may as well just say no and her friend support her, same result, less drama, less plausible deniability and dishonesty, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:52 PM
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You don't have a chance with this girl just because she might be being polite towards you I never claimed anything about those men having a chance. Beautiful women are pickier, but they are not nasty nor try to shame men for being interested in them, as fat and ugly girls often do for interactions that are not even about trying to date them (yet they assume they are LOL) This is the halo effect and nothing more. I thought this too, but something don't add up. Men also keeps score and they can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:51 PM
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They may be true, but I'm not talking in the context of relationships, but approaches or interation with guys. Attractive girls may be 10x pickier than average girls, but truth is they are nicer even to guys they are not interested in, which is refreshing to men. Men accept rejection better if the girl is not nasty to them nor tries to shame them. Cute girls also seem to actually have sense of humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:45 PM
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So the friend assumes she is not interested and she let her interfere at will? So no need for signals? If they are a hive mind then she is letting her friend interfere personally, if she is signaling then she is a coward using her friend as a shield for bad approaches. Neither seems very nice. But it is good to know how calculating women are and just another reason to ever trust them 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:42 PM
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But they still have more sexual value than men have, so they can capitalize on desperate on those poor men, just as women who sell feet pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:41 PM
1

I still don't get why the girl just don't say she is not interested and why she needs the friend to do the job. I mean, if she is not interested why not make the guy know so he stops? Why add the drama and plausible deniability between? Seems like the girl is trying to keep an image at the cost of another girl, added complexity and drama for something insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:40 PM
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The friend getting hit on isn’t interested but she doesn’t want to be the “bad guy” and cause a scene so she signals her friend(s) to be an excuse to get away from the guy. Kinda nasty to use your friend for nasty job just to protect your image as "nice", though. No wonder they use worst looking friends for this job... maybe the beautiful girl thinks she is actually giving her a purpose LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:33 PM
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Not many women want to be pumped and dumped my random hot men Sure, but they are being pumped and dumped, because they try to use sex as a way to make the high SMV guy stay around and it never works because opening legs fast is also a sign of "I'm low value woman, so if another hotter man comes, I open legs too". Very risky indeed and yet they keep playing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:30 PM
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if any “fat cockblocker friend” is telling you her girl is not interested it’s cuz the hot one sent up the “get me the fuck out of here” signal So the hot girl is using her as a personal guard to do the nasty job? Seems a little cruel, borderline abusive, because it looks the fat girl look even worse to men. She is basically sacrificing a friend. it’s extremely clear that you’re nicer to good looking women, so they’re probably nicer to you. Your attitude to average/underaverage women is abhorren…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:29 PM
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I have a roommate right now who’s dealing with a lot of bullshit from a girl because she’s hot. He would never deal with this behavior from a less attractive woman. Maybe beautiful girls expect more from men in a relationship, but that does not mean they are harshier than regular women when speaking to men. Cute girls don’t necessarily enjoy male attention, they’ve simply learned to capitalize on it. When you realize you can make easy money off of something…it’s hard to keep criticizing that thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:25 PM
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IDK, I think some girls are actually neutral or OK speaking with the guy but accept the cockblocking just to not offend her friend. Like "the guy what nice, but hey, she is my friend so whatever...". It literally ruins true potential, beautiful relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:24 PM
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This is a good point. Maybe people don't want to accept their looksmatch, but part of them knows that is their position in the scale, so they get mad at others in their looksmatch as a way to deny that reality. Remember the filters that made women look like men and they hated how those men looked as "ugly".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:21 PM
1

I'd say men can actually love women deeper because they are less picky, and they don't care if she is working or not, rich or poor, smart or dumb, etc. Love is asymmetric. Men love women, women love children, children love Dog... So women do have deep love, but not for the man, but for her own children or pets. I think that is natural, though, so it is brutal but that is how humanity works.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:19 PM
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Women don’t make Chad wait. Disheartening but true for most women. Then they marry you but never forget chad so they are never happy, they rather die alone than loving an average men. They are brutal. Only advantage men have is that they can be attractive on many other more aspects than looks and male attractiveness last way longer, but that is not even close to the privilege women have for just having a vibrating pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:14 PM
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This is annoying because waiting is for her, not for the man. If she respects her own body, and her own dignity, she would wait for the right man anyway. If she is giving sex for free to random hot men that says more about her not being very trustworthy for investing a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:11 PM
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In a sense, all relationships are cope for loneliness, lack of love, lack of sex, support, thirst for status, etc. In the past, people were more honest about the fact relationships were to unify family lines, raise children and care for each other. Today it is just "love" bullshit gaslighting. Why would people bother moving with someone, marrying, risking it all if they get nothing off it? But you need to be complete first and love yourself to get a relationship... then why care about relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:03 PM
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No argument? Just attack the messanger. The truth is that plenty of women know and think like this too. If she again chooses the same violent man, even she having all support and protection from family and the state, and she still returns to the man and the man uses that violence against her, don't you think that make her at least somehow responsible?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:42 PM
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Men who are in touch with their emotions are wonderful. Men like you…not so much. It seems the only emotion you have is bitterness. Attacking the messenger... so womanly lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:40 PM
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Both were rugged. Difference is that women, having all power to date and get relationship, still find a way to lose by assuming that is not the case. Basically losing in tutorial mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:39 PM
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Women will always resent not being with their best option. No wonder they initiate divorce and make an enemy out of the father of their children just for the sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:38 PM
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Ask me how many times I've been stalked or assaulted by a guy who didn't accept "no, I'm not interested" as a complete answer. Ask me how many guys pushed and needled and whined when I said "no, I'm not interested". That's why women would rather be polite and focus on self-preservation over a man's ego. That is a good point, but I think many women are just not that self-conscious. Even in the context when they are safe, such as texting, they use this. They honestly feel that inner state for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 07:00 PM
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She's way more likely to see you as a the object she's taking advantage of. Sure, but she is wrong. She would be nothing without a nice face and body. As a person, she is irrelevant for the man. The man, meanwhile, had to actually work for his wealth and the woman. It may not be the ideal relationship for either, but it works for each one's priorities. He gets sex, she get money. What is the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:57 PM
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No secret women feel often sexual attraction to violent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:55 PM
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Women aren't hive minds and are capable of individual thoughts, feelings and aspirations. Agreed, just general patterns I notice. Most likely than the guy, she talks about "chemistry", "energies", "frequencies" etc. instead just plainfully admitting she is not into the guy. Guys have other issues that are worse in other aspects, but on dating women usually are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:46 PM
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Eventually it may eventually happen, but no rich guy will just let his money be suck if he is not getting out of the relationship. Many wealthy people are serial daters anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:44 PM
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Instant NO if she is any of these things: - Vegan or similar meme diets - Atheist / Satanist - Has tattoos - Is fat - Champagne socialist - Single mom - Uses Xanax or similar drugs - Over 30 TLDR: If she is typical coast city trash, NO.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:43 PM
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If you think a gold-digger is gong to indulge 'frequent and cheap sex', then I don't know what to tell you man, lol keep dreaming I guess. That is the only value she provides, so if she doesn't she is easily replaced by another girl with a spreadsheet job.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:34 PM
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You're an uppity ATM. And she is an expensive sex doll, so?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:32 PM
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OK, let me use other words. Women lose interest and respect if men if he gets lower salary or loses job, and they lose love for that, but they don't attribute losing love to such thing, yet it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 06:15 PM
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The man loses his job, or she get more money, the woman is only conscious of "losing love" or shit like that with no real relevance, and abstraction for the fact they lost all respect for the man. So they are not consciously being evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:51 PM
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Yikes…I feel like your issue is that you just straight up don’t like women. I don't, but that is not the point because this is not about me. If women want to be treated equal, they shall not receive any privileged support by the government, including those women who openly choose to be with abusive men even having all law on their side already protecting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:50 PM
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You seem to actually know very few women, and are making assumptions about a whole gender based on your own thoughts and opinions. Let me guess... you think men hide their emotions because they enjoy that and macho feelings, right? You probably believe men are pretending to be robots because they enjoy it. No, men learned the hard way this. Emotional men are repulsive to most women. They say it is emotional labor, which is true. Women say a thing and want another. Men do the same, but not on dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:48 PM
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Most of those drives are unconscious, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:45 PM
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Women aren’t interested in dudes who are controlling, or obsessed by the idea of “power” et cetera. I disagree. In fact, it seems some of those controlling men are surprisingly more successful than guys that are "sensitive" and "emotional", which is all bullshit women claim but don't actually follow. My theory is that this is just a shit test, not conscious, but most women don't really want openly emotional men. In fact, expressing emotions in men can be a negative in man, and seen as immature i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:13 PM
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Femicide is a very real danger I love how they create a new word for it as a dramatic effect, as if killing a woman was somehow worse than just any other type of murder LOL. Sorry, but a lot of those women received all the help they needed and still returned to those men. Men who are bad because drugs receive also little support. I propose those women be treated as addicts, if they want to be treated, fine, if not, not our problem they choose abusive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:08 PM
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delete 😭😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:07 PM
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If she hooked up with me so quickly, it is likely she did it with other men or will do it in the future even in a committed relationship. However, plenty of men change their mind and have relationships with these women if the hook ups continue with some frequency and there is some exclusivity established in that period, but nothing is guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:50 PM
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It’s not our fault that you want to use our bodies for your benefit so much 🤷‍♀️ Neither is men's fault that is hardwired in them. Still that also is disempowering to women if they lose sex appeal, fertility and beauty. They do not have as much power on keeping that natural power, no matter how many layers of makeup. But I do agree relationships can be more than that. Just pointing out that as men and women need each other less and less than ever, then stuff they cannot control becomes far more …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:44 PM
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Yes, that is why so many women choose to be with abusive men even being perfectly able to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:40 PM
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The power fluctuates a lot... she loses sex appeal, he loses job, she get fat, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:40 PM
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The real issue is that men and women used to need each other and now they don't. Exactly, this is the issue. Men still feel they need women more because higher libido, but after that women don't really add much to them assuming they have friends and a good job. This may also explain why men sexualize women so much today, since that is the only reason they may get them, and second reason by far for men is status.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:37 PM
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This. Very few of our ancestors were professional warriors and kings and such. Most of us descended from just commoners and that is fine and OK, but don't be fooled to think your ancestors are somehow fit our fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:32 PM
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Agreed, but one part has power that is earned and another part has power by just existing, so it is not the same. It makes sense the first part is more concerned about power.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:30 PM
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Yes, but one part has power they have to earn and the other has power by just being born that way. So obviously the part that has to earn that power is concerned about power.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:50 PM
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Men put a lot of emphasis on power because they know they need power to get women: money, attraction, skills to speak, influence, etc. is all attractive to women and hard to get and keep. Women have this sexual power naturally, but just having a vagina and being able to carry babies, so they are insensitive to it. It is like born rich asking why poor people not just invent something and get rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:49 PM
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Any man who marries a woman who isn’t giving him the hot sex that he wants only has himself to blame, because he’s the one in control of taking relationships to the next level, not her. IDK, often it starts very well and then it colds down. We need two people willing to have sex for sex to happen, shifting blame to only men is so... womanly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:47 PM
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Aren’t the majority of men in some form of relationship? Yes, but if you consider in how many of them were just chosen by women who had no better options, or with a baby fever, and many of them have dead beds now, then it is obvious women who choose them are just using them as placeholders. Most of those women would also leave those men if they lost their jobs or earned less than them, so in a sense those men are just buying sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:29 PM
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The Right is more empathic to men than the Left, but the conventional Right don't provide a path for guys to become men nor encourages it, and the Left discourages the idea of men all together... except when the war of Ukraine started, suddenly men are important for them LOL. So yes, a lot of these redpill content is just a response to that lack of social and political support for men. The irony is that the scarcity is manly men also affects women because if only a minority of men are really man…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:14 PM
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Women have more experiences with what fair exchange in dating is, what is emotional maturity, etc. so they can use less emotionally mature and less experiencing men to pull resources as the guy assumes that is how things are. Even women with no relationship experience usually have stronger social bonds that allow them to study men, how they approach them, how to respond to get something off them, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 09:09 PM
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The thing is that like 90% of those men don't even lie to the woman. They are just social, good looking guys that women choose to be with. Women often agree to male sexual conditions in hopes of changing his mind, and then claim that the guy used them for sex... but the man never agreed to her implicit conditions and assumptions. See this scenario: - man: "I just want some fun" - woman: "OK, me too!" - \** few months later of frequent non committed sex **** - woman: "Hey, where is all of this go…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 09:05 PM
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More victim blaming. Sorry, it is not men's fault to not be born in the top 20% of looks, height, intelligence and neuronormality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 09:03 PM
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Ultimately, I think it's just gross and creepy to target young, not fully developed people are partners simply to impose your life goals and values onto. That is a perspective and it is valid, but honestly I learned a lot being with people older than me. Also there are older people that need to develop and may be the experience match of younger people. Marrying young is risky and has higher divorce rate, but also it is amazing to grow as a person. Just saying that that is not the only way to see…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 09:00 PM
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There are more sexually-experienced men with money and good jobs than sexually-inexperienced men with money and good jobs. Many of those high value sexually successful men are already coupled or want to start a family at that age, while inexperienced men with money and jobs may be the perfect victims for gold diggers. Even if there was more men with sexual experience those men with less experience are still the easiest to manipulate, and still there is a scarce number of high value and high earn…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:24 PM
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It is an idea in astrology. Saturn is seen as the planet that crushes you and make you take a decision and cut everything else. Since its orbit is like 30 years, usually that is what is called the Saturn return for a person. If your life was shitty to that point, it is unlikely it will change after it. Of course it is astrology, not science, but the idea seems to be based on some facts... after 30s you lose so much energy and will to change what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:21 PM
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If enough men did this, the tax funded female welfare utopia will cease to exist. Sadly, history says that the state is more likely to enslave men and call them "workers" as the URSS did. The system would rather choose to be unfair to men than to cease to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:18 PM
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Everyone comes with baggage and by the time you hit 30, no matter your personal values, you also are "damaged goods". Yeah, maybe you're a virgin but maybe you also have mommy issues/over bearing parents. Or a past drug addiction. Or a criminal record. Or bad credit. Etc. Saturn return 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:15 PM
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And absolutely not, they do not have more money, unless you believe only men with minimal sexual experience have good jobs and money. I don't get what you mean. Men who are good at both finances, dating and relationships are probably already partnered or full of experience and options. They cannot be easily manipulated by these dating scams because women in the past already scammed or tried to scam them anyway, so they learned. Meanwhile, autistic rich men have not much to compare, they may beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:54 PM
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so that if they marry younger that woman doesn't have more experience? Usually, women who are younger are less likely to get an older partner unless he is very hot and rich. So women choose older men that were successful younger too. The hypothetical men without experience are probably not as romantic or confident to pull younger women. Remember men have to put almost all effort to get women and relationships and in most cases get nothing. Even younger women with less experience than the men sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:51 PM
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Nothing wrong with that specifically, but that gives women emotional and dating leverage. My point is that men with little experience may be open to financial abuse by those women because those men may be desperate for company and sex and status as a partnered man. The risk is higher for them as they have more to lose, more money, stable jobs, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:49 PM
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My point is that men may be open to financial abuse by those women because those men may be desperate for company and sex and status as a partnered man. The risk is higher for them as they have more to lose, more money, stable jobs, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:48 PM
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Teens of both genders are having much less sex than they used to. I'd say that rather all sex is just in a few people, top people, while other get nothing. Then we have everything fucked up in between, used for sex, or after losing sex appeal, etc. It is sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:39 PM
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I mean, they are having sex with other guys their age, exploring sexuality and such. Sadly few guys have the chance to experience that, only a few guys get all girls, while most girls have at least the chance of having teen sex, so women get more experience and advantage over more men even on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:29 PM
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At least you are self aware and that is a step to accept and be, maybe not happy, but also not as depressed and nihilistic. You know, a lesser evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:15 PM
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This is why I'm finding a way to brainwash myself into being at peace with What Is. I found some success by using Dr. David Hawkins methods and Shadow Work. In a sense I think it worked because I don't use antidepressants and I do reasonably fine when other would probably be dead of an overdose. If you then deeper, we don't owe this reality our bad feelings, depression and circumstances for stuff I was not even able to control anyway. So why suffer it? It is like suffering for not being born a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 07:00 PM
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Do you really think that gen z girls will want to help men? Women aren't suffering. Just men are. So you agree they would just be as manipulative to those poor middle-aged men as other women, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:42 PM
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You have all these women that fucked up and are desperate throwing themselves at you. Just have sex and enjoy it. Forget about relationships at that point and just have fun. This is assuming the guy developed somehow skills to get self-aware sex, without being manipulated into relationships, though. I don't think men without experience have the self-steem or bravery to be players that late in life... it is like learning a language late in life. Not saying not possible, but probably not as good a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:36 PM
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Men have more sexual partners than women. Yes, but the variance is huge by man to man. One may have had like 100 sexual partners and another only 2 in his lifetime of 40 years. According to statistics both men count as "having sex", though. *”17’s” — girls are only 17 once, dude. Plenty of girls start having sex with other guys their age in High School. In fact, in some states the most common age to lose virginity is before legal age :/ Needless to say, most men don't necessarily have as much ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:31 PM
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Again, I'm not talking about me. Personally, I don't enjoy women's company so much and I don't date them, yet plenty of men that have lots of sex don't enjoy women as company either... they just want sex. It has nothing to do with what I'm saying. The issue is that lonely men with fewer options may become dependent of women's company to avoid loneliness and that can be used against them accordingly, for those women to pull resources from those poor men that don't have experience to realize they …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:21 PM
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If you don't like the company of women for it's own sake, you'd probably be unhappy in any marriage. Precisely why they like that company and sex is why those men are the most likely to be manipulated and used and probably made suicidal by those women, soon or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:17 PM
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There is also third option for those guys, go overseas and take your chances with that Some may argue that those women are even more shallow because they need rather than want men :/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:15 PM
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But not all - especially with Gen Z it seems like more and more young people are socially isolated so there can be a chance you can find someone as inexperienced This is actually a good point I did not consider. They may help each other, although we have to see how much Gen Z and older generations (I mean, not that old, maybe 5 years difference) will interact and date, if at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:13 PM
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Being single need not be "rotting in an apartment" friendless and alone. Plenty of single men are successful and happy. Unless they live with friends at that age, chances are that they will spend days alone, even being social and outgoing. If plenty of younger people are on that, imagine way into their 40s and 50s. BTW, being alone don't mean they will be unhappy and depressed, but they indeed will be alone and they have to deal with that reality in a way or another. The divorce rates in the "mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:08 PM
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Honestly if it bothers you that much just go on a massive hoe phase in your 30s and get that shit out of your system. Why do you have to make it personal for no reason? I'm not talking about me. Women can have a hoe phase, shy and men with limited experience can't because they don't have the skills or their principles don't accept manipulating women for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:06 PM
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BTW sorry for the bad title, I thought I fixed it, but I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 05:59 PM
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Well, you ar right, maybe a better word is unfortunate. Unless the other partner truly changes his or her mind to match the new decision, there will probably be some resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:26 PM
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This is true on the military, almost all is paid. Even my brother house' is paid by the government... yet he still ask me for money LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:22 PM
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Men married a woman that did not want children but now she wants children, so now there is a huge disagreement now after years of investment and planning. It also happens the opposite, women who want children but then don't, but usually it is rarer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:10 PM
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No, I'm not saying women cannot have good humor, just pointing out that men and women laugh anyway to women's jokes even if they are not funny, so women cannot calibrate their actual funniness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 08:09 PM
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It still seems weird some women feel comfortable in such relationship. Women have almost all power in the dating market, and yet often they choose a subpair arrangement that costs nothing to break if there are no marriage between. Women are perfectly able to get another man, while the guy will more likely struggling getting a new gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:46 PM
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It seems forever girlfriends is often blamed to men not committing, but I'm sure the reason is that many women don't like or don't see marriage as relevant for the relationship and since marriage is a legal liability for men, it makes sense they follow along. For some reason it is always blamed on men not committing, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:40 PM
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Sures. Her Eggs are so valuable that women must be euthanized after menopausia /s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:24 PM
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Those seem to be rather incentives for marriage and them having children, not direct benefits of marriage. In some arrangements it may even be better for tax purposes to not marry, or those benefits can be used by one part to exploit the other. It is like saying that a job is good because it has dental plan. It is a benefit that may motivate you to take a shitty job, but the job is still shitty. Don't get me wrong, marriage was a good idea for most of history and probably will be useful at some …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:22 PM
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No, it is just a biological reality. Women are weak and needy of bubble kept by men, men are resourceful and strong in a way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:17 PM
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Men had leverage by being strong because for most of history jobs were labor intensive, and usable energy was scarce. Oil, which ironically women environmentalists love to hate, literally freed humanity of most labor jobs that were killing us for so long. It moves machinery, gives electricity, plastics and materials that are easy to carry and melt, lubrication substances for machines instead from animals, etc. Science was already there, but a new energy source engineering use science to make bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:13 PM
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So true. Sumerian documents prove that even 4000 years ago men were required to pay alimony to women after a divorce. Yet women claim that marriage is slavery for women, when in fact it was a necessary (yet now dead) institution for most of history for both genders to enforce each other some responsibilities and raise the kids well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:09 PM
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Marriage is just another form of commitment, but before it usually there is commitment of exclusivity, non cheating, etc. The thing is that marriage is becoming increasingly pointless as it don't really guarantee the commitment will be kept in the first place. What is the point of promising to stay forever if we all know that is not guaranteed or enforced? I do believe in religious marriage, but after that, legally it is pointless and stupid institution in an age when you can get all outside of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:06 PM
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Those older people are already half in the grave, so it makes sense they may want to enjoy some recreational sex, especially if they did not in the younger days. Still it is pointless, I'd rather be euthanized. If life is this hard in my 30s, I cannot even imagine when I'm 80 in a nursing house. Plz kill me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 07:00 PM
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Same happens with a lot of "childfree" women, who claim don't want children and then at their late 30s they suddenly want. It is crazy and extremely unfair for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:27 PM
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Wonderful how women always compete for the same men, even if they are shitty men, just by pre-selection. Meanwhile there is a class of men that are perfectly fine but are never selected and every year it gets worse for them because they are not preselected so women don't pick them. This dating market is evil, demonic. Really, this world seems designed for psychological damage on the most people possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:11 PM
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Good point. Marriage today is like a guarantee for women that the man will be punished or forced to do stuff if it all fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:07 PM
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I mean, it is a sound logic. If the man can get all he wants in such arrangement, what is the point of marriage but to add more legal complexity and risks?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:05 PM
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I don't get why women care so much about biological clock, most of them will kill the unborn baby if they feel like it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:46 PM
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It seems like a win-win. He gets eventually what he wants, forever girlfriend enjoys all that a wife enjoys but without risky marriage, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:46 PM
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I wonder why some women are chosen to be forever girlfriends, often by a series of men, and why others are instant marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:43 PM
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Women value humor more in men, but in a relationship women often get very mad if you make a joke about something serious. Women's humor is often not good, but I suspect the reason is that women are so accepted and so welcome than even silly stupid jokes are rewarded so they think they are good at jokes (99% of them aren't).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:36 PM
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Wut, that is not dehumanization. There is nothing more human than just interacting with others for fun and skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:33 PM
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from a pest Funny dehumanization language. I'm glad every day these women are used as fleshlights lol, they deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:18 PM
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then women should just keep pursuing him anyway? Women would have a market of high wages, decent marriageable men, that simply are not as social, if they initiated conversations. Women can just start a conversation and the guy does the rest, but apparently even that is hard for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:00 PM
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I’m perpetually confused as to why men are so hellbent on chasing women who have shown zero interest. I noticed that some men are not really that interested, they just do it to practice social skills and don't really believe it is possible to convince you of anything in the first place. I think this is positive because men get to practice and women get an ego boost. Women also assume men want to pursue them if men talk to them, which is cringe. Girl, I'm talking to you about stuff, not trying to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 02:59 PM
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To be fair, I don't know if you have a point, maybe you are right after all and women are way more important. Regardless, even if women were only for reproduction that would make them very valuable by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 02:57 PM
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"you NEET to believe me, no seriously BELIEVE ME RANDOM PERSON ONLINE, truly, I'm so loved"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 02:36 PM
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IDK, the term makes no sense to me. Seems to be a spectrum. Plenty of people find themselves happy single and then love comes when they expect or need it the least. Being single depends on lots of variables. You may not be looking but find your loved one, or you may be looking and find no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 02:01 PM
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Gen Z (around the early 20s) is actually less promiscuous compared to millennials at the same age. Not by choice. Not easy to have sex in your parent's house and with no money and time to go out, add the pandemic shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:59 PM
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Make no mistake. Many of these women are in deep debt from useless degrees, and they are terrible with money. Men have to learn the hard way to be good with money, but women often are cared by father and family up until marriage, so usually their independence is not genuine. Why is not women's career important to men? Because men know women are often not sharing that money with them anyway. Women often see men as money cows, basically they practice low key prostitution. They want to use their ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:56 PM
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Of course, I'm not into women LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:55 PM
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I fuck my girl more in one day How does it work? Dildos imitating the male penis you hate? Or boring scissors? Weird how much lesbians often love an air of masculinity if they love women so much. At least male gays have actual fun and direct sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:53 PM
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Sure, but those are heavily professional jobs that require years of study. Men often choose those, but also do jobs that require no or few studies but pay very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:33 PM
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Women value older men because they assume they will be equally as mature as them. Women dislike young or some age men because they're less mature. Agree on this, but also because older men have more resources, status, and stable jobs. There are plenty of mature and stable men that never get any partner, though, just as there are good looking and attractive women that never get the man they want. Women are the community, if the government doesn't protect them, there is no next generation This is …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:31 PM
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No, I truly agree with this, women do many jobs that are nasty, hard to do and often even underpaid. The issue is that a lot of nasty and dangerous jobs men do are assumed for granted, while we cannot ignore that professions such as nurses, mechanics, etc. are heavily genderized and therefore that creates dependency on one gender or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:27 PM
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You would be surprised. A lot of entry controversial or nasty jobs pay as much as middle level manager. They just suck with money, though. If they are unionized the wages are often even higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:26 PM
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It’s this simple, I even as an older, attractive, child free and financially secure woman STILL have men of all ages and socioeconomic brackets CHASING, begging and demanding access to me, in EVERY way including commitment. Yes, but it is sexual interest, they just want to use you as a fleshlight or for status if you are beautiful. Don't be silly to think any of those men really love or will ever love you, especially when the men you want already have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:23 PM
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Sucks to be you guys. Well,lesbians basically hate their partners, though. It must suck to have a dead bedroom too as the case of most lesbian couples. Suck to be you, girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:21 PM
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haha that is good, let's see!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:44 PM
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I understand your point and if we isolate to sexual or reproductive value you are right, but you are limiting value to a few variables, and yet human reproduction and raising a kid requires a shelter, an infrastructure, that men are more likely to give. Following your example, an island with 10 women and 1 man would be struggled to survive because one man would probably not be able to take care for them all or provide for the whole. We know how a group of women end up struggling to survive. Citi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:30 PM
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But for women sex is risky, they rather have sex with the same man multiple times to be safe, so women being thirsty of sex don't translate on most men having sex. There are many points here: Lower libido common in women, so men are at disadvantage. Women see sex as riskier than men, so men are at disadvantage. Women are pickier, so fewer men get sex, so men are at disadvantage. Even women who want sex usually get it from one or few men, so men are at disadvantage. Women can easily get sex while…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:20 PM
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Based. I also have low libido, but not in the same way... I just find porn enough to stop any motivation to go out and find sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 07:18 PM
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Maybe men are more thirsty too? Sex once a weak for men is just not enough, but for many women it is more than enough to feel validated or in a relationship. Seems the scarcity is more subjective, but honestly IDK.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:57 PM
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Women are very good in getting education and such, I agree on that and that is important and shall be encouraged. Please don't assume I think that is a bad thing, not at all. I also have women in family and obviously I love them and I want them to have a career. The problem is that the academic market is already saturated in many aspects. People working in McDonalds after studying a career, with thousands in debt, is kind of sad and disheartening... a disaster. Academic job is also more risky th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:55 PM
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If they can get them in other ways besides direct help from a man, then they are often fine without men who don’t really attract them. Almost always "getting those resource from elsewhere" means just from men but through the state, almost never on their own. They still depend on men but by proxy of the state. Men would also marry even less if the state had a way to provide them with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:44 PM
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But the average man isn’t as sexually valuable Sure, I never said otherwise. However most of that difference is by men's libido. No one is thinking about genes, but men have higher libido so they value men more for sex, and since women today are less valuable for everything else as electric devices cook and clean everything, it makes sense women are only valuable for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:42 PM
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A lot of the difference is how we define relationships. A man having sex once a week with 5 different women may consider himself single, which one of those women would probably consider themselves in a relationship with the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:41 PM
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Men don’t usually care about that if they aren’t able to have sex. The reason that they work that hard is largely to impress women. So you agree it is an exchange of value? It doesn’t, because all that work doesn’t mean that those men will be selected as partners by women. Nothing is guaranteed, of course, just as women being pretty don't guarantee they will find a good provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:29 PM
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This is only in isolation, though. You can in the same way argue that men are more valuable as they pay more taxes, work more hours and work on a wider range of jobs than women, many of those jobs also keep women's comfort and safety. You can argue that this has nothing to do with reproduction, and yet the value men have in dating also depends on what they contribute, so this is also important. It all evens out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:24 PM
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which means that she is going to be valued for more than her looks and sexual capabilities. True, but only in terms of sex. Women are valuable to raise kids (that come from sex) and be trustful (not raising a kid that is not his) and exclusivity (frequent sex with him alone). That is nothing wrong with that, women also value men for just what they can provide. So it is fair, each gender is using the other for their interests. The irony is that women in the past were more honest even having less …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:23 PM
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Yes I understand this. It is like men at the bottom don't even exist for women. When women talk about being in disadvantage in wages or power or whatever because most CEOs are men, they ignore the countless men that are homeless or addicted, dying on the streets. Literally those men are invisible in their bubble and not considered for any analysis that may suggest these women to be privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:05 PM
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How is it not natural? The better genes are in greater demand. Genetic superiority is only one variable, though. The genetic diversity is just as important, if not more for a species to thrive. However, you are focusing only on sexual value, my focus is more general. Men may not be more valuable sexually, but men have more ways to express value than women, as women are truly only valuable for sex and fertility. That is why women usually value older men even being less attractive, as men have oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:57 PM
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Sure, just saying that although something in average may be valuable more than another thing on average, usually the reason is that the value is distributed in the extremes differently. Imagine only men existed. What would be the value of men as a gender? Undefined because the idea of gender would probably not even exist in the first place in this scenario, there is no dating market between genders if there are no gender. However, as genders exist then one gender gives value to another, to each …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:49 PM
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Value and expendability are not the same thing, though. Air is expendable and common, and yet it is very valuable to keep us alive next 10 minutes. Meanwhile jewelry is usually not useful for anything else but aesthetic, but the scarcity creates a huge price. If it was common as air it would be less valuable than air.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:44 PM
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It would rather seem that men are seen as for granted, but the value must be the same a collective for this to work. For instance, a few or even half men dying is not seen as a great lost than half women dying, because women are less able to have many babies, while one man can conceive many for many women. However, as a collective it seems that men are more valuable, prove of this is how groups of men can be on their own and make war for months, while rarely a women's only society ever worked. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:41 PM
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Why do you think so? Value is the interaction between customer and product. That is how the price is set. So customers as a whole must be as valuable as products as a whole. The issue is the individual differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:35 PM
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I guess this is like the problem that women cannot have on average 1.5 children because no woman have half a child. It makes sense to say women have on average 1.5 but that don't apply to women as individuals, it is just an average. Same for a lot of sexual and dating issues, and our perspective of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:34 PM
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Assuming that the point of life is procreation and passing genes forward, women are the limiting reagent when it comes to birthing more babies (9 month cooldown vs men's 10 min cooldown). Therefore men are expendable, as one man can do the job of many others. Complete logical train on why one sex is more valuable :) Yeah, but also that would imply women lose value as long as they lose fertility, they crash. I think most value women have is just projected male libido, at least for now in this hyp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:31 PM
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Ironically, most men who are partnered are indeed more valuable than their women. The difference is paid by the desperation of the man and delusion of women, which often is not based on reality. That is a subjective price that obfuscates actual value of each.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:14 PM
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The situation is somewhat distorted in that women tend to view a majority of men as being below average. This creates separate markets in which women treat the top, say 20%, of men differently, being more open to casual relationships with them in the hope of securing genes or commitment; while the bottom, say 80%, of men have to offer more for less in return. A beautiful young woman can make great demands on men (waiting for sex, providing resources, accepting competing suitors), while an ugly o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:13 PM
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😭😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:58 PM
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Well, indirectly we give value to people. It is likely you value your family more than a random person, for example. EDIT: However, I do believe in people's dignity. This does not mean you shall treat people that you don't value as much as trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:27 PM
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No, I agree that men on average get more sex as they get older, but I don't think men of this younger generation will get even nearly as much as older men today because they started way later, and also resentment of not having as much experience younger. Maybe I'm wrong and those men will just marry foreign women, but IDK, this trend seems to be too strong now to just disappear at some older age. I also expect this to affect women who honestly want a true loving and stable relationship, but to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:08 PM
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Spreadsheet jobs to be automated, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:59 PM
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As men get older, an even greater percentage of them have sex. No reason to think this will be the case for this generation. Younger men are already having less sex than their grandmas at the same age and considering they lived in a puritan society, it is interesting how open sex market resulted in less sex for most men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:58 PM
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No, men just know that those men will use women for one night stand and those women will never feel average men are on their level. Alpha widows.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:57 PM
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Just as some vote for policy that benefit millionaires because they expect to be rich, women also support this system because they expect the rich Saviour will come.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:56 PM
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and women, are constantly hunting for them? yes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:54 PM
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Most women are not and many will probably never will be women. They just use motherhood as a reason to manipulate government and men into treating them as royalty that they don't deserve as they are nothing special.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:54 PM
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You could make the argument that women are more inclined to big-picture social benefits, given their historical inclination to vote in favour of LGBTQ rights, elderly, disabled and infirm and welfare for those in poverty. This is just social performance and virtue signaling. At the end, women keep fucking white rich men and keep the system running. Observe how none of the policy you mentioned is against the system or for the average people, but for virtue points.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:53 PM
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Average men love to blame women for everything, but they’re being screwed most by other men. Average men can fight and compete with other men, even top men, but if women are in between it is harder... you cannot compete against a woman as a man and not be seen as an asshole, for example. Women are complicit and they don't have shame admitting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:50 PM
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"The Republican party absolutely excels at getting poor white people, to vote for things that only benefit rich white people!" Both parties benefit billionares: Republicans in the private sector and Democrats in the public. That is why average earners are moving to republican states because democratic cities are unlivable, high taxes but also high crime and poor infrastructure since there is no political pressure, just voting blue and never asking questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:48 PM
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Not possible to keep 1% so up without women supporting them and sucking their dicks, though. Women are by far the greatest your you mentioned there that support this inequality and keeps it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:46 PM
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so if you’re unattractive that means you need to stick with someone unattractive? Yes, unless you are open to rejection and despair as these women, it is at your risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:43 PM
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Yes, but the change is generational so don't expect it in this lifetime. I expect like half millennials and maybe half Zoomers will be single forever, or divorced after a few years. These people being old and alone (including probably me), no one caring for them, will be a burden for society. If people with children are already suffering loneliness and despair, I expect it even worse for childless and single or divorce people. Government and taxpayers will have an incentive to want them DEAD jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:39 PM
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Just pointing out that women complaining about this, by how top 20% or even top 5% men treat them, while they ignore perfectly fine and established good guys at their looks level. Meanwhile most men don't even have options in the first place, yet they are told to "suck it up".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:30 PM
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Only gullable people don't know that "karma" fucks up good and trustful people. This is hell, there is no karma.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:46 PM
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Wait, do you actually believe that you will outcompete the other ton of older men into the same rare girl attracted to older men ? No idea; I'm not an older man to know, but last time I checked most of them are in stable relationships and not trying to fuck around or find younger girls anyway, so I doubt the range of 10 to 1 is real. Older men also have naturally lower libido than younger men, so they are less likely to be that horny anyway. Now, would those older men have sex with younger women…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:55 PM
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And don't forget, they definitely didn't want us when we were younger. Yes, no empathy for older women unable to find a man. Sorry, they had a game in tutorial mode and found a way to lose anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:09 PM
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you think majority of women in the past were having sex with men that killed their family? Women have sex with winners. It ranges from businessmen to drug lords. It is sad, but yes, sometimes women had to mate with their oppressors to survive, so it makes sense they are more likely to fetische that. Of course, this is a stretch and today women are protected by law, but the kink is still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:08 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:06 PM
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Sure, but only for hook ups, women want a man with the whole package to parasite in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:54 PM
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The struggle of rejection women have is about not being able to hold the best men to cause envy to her friends and family. It is kind of fucked up. Women are not very empathic to men, and never will, except for maybe their sons for a few years. In the past war would kill their husband, sons, etc. and they had to have sex with the guy that killed her family, so women have a sociopath path where she becomes insensitive about living such a shitty life, and women today come from those women. So wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:22 PM
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Sure, that is why women depend on them for taxes and enforce their fake rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:22 PM
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Literally the most unattractive thing a man can do is adopt an aura of neediness and desperation and being unable to be happy without female attention. It's pathetic. Ironically men who can handle this usually use drugs to be chill. Naturally it is hard, almost impossible, because the inertia is dead. Men need some social inertia and trying to go against the current is not reasonable for most of them. But if they do get themselves chill and high confidence somehow they do can find success with w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:18 PM
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Modern men cannot lower standards more without fucking other men or even animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:12 PM
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Yet precisely they get more sex because they are more desirable. Women end up dating the men that make them miserable just for being horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:11 PM
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I see the issues on the long term. A partner with more experience and sexual history than me is also more likely to compare me and also treat me as shit, and leave and make my loneliness even worse. So it is not wise except for short term dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:10 PM
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Thanks for not making men lose their time with useless older infertile women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:03 PM
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TIL the "world" is Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:03 PM
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Even worse. pIck mE I sUppOrT yOu wOmEn, hAvE sEx wItH mE a NIcE gUy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:02 PM
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because they're usually not getting any attention... They need that drug so much, this is why they become karens when their pussy is not as valuable anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:57 PM
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I feel like examples of young women like this who are just absolutely terrified of men to a pathological degree are becoming increasingly common and is one of many worrying social trends regarding gender I’ve seen… Their insecurity is not my problem. They don't care about my issues, I don't care about theirs. Cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:56 PM
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This is your brain on incel. "wow my cheesy pussy is so valuable, you must be a dumb incel if you don't like it, this is my logic and reasoning"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:55 PM
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Women are more self-centered, selfish and their love is more conditional than that of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:51 PM
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Disgusting. I don't know any man sacrificing anything for a woman that is not his wife or family, as they should, but they exist. They are DISGUSTING simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:49 PM
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Yes, but no. Let me explain. If I exercised and ate better when young, I would be more successful as young man, but I didn't. I started that later in life, so now I'm more successful. Men usually mature later.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:48 PM
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Compared to which men? Men in the ME that beat you to dead? Men in Asia or Latin America that are very sexist? Men with AIDs in 3rd world countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:46 PM
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European men are also poorer, though. If she wants to marry him she shall stay in Europe where there is a social net, because they guy will not be seen as wealthy in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:45 PM
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Neurodivergence affects the men more because they have to do almost everything first to get into a relationship. As usual, men are always fucked by the universe. Autistic women can just smile and open legs. In fact, some men like women that look shy and reserved.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:42 PM
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The vast majority of the guys out here saying they want a woman with a low body count is because they themselves have a low body count. Which tbh how is that unreasonable? It isn't. Also older men dating young are just dating women with almost equal body count anyway, so it is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:38 PM
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We usually define being faithful today as not having sex with other people, but in the past it was more about the man taking care of his wife and children, protecting and providing. I'd say men don't have to really protect or provide as much because the state took a lot of that role, but traditional dating was usually very harsh against men that did not care for their family.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:55 PM
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You have a good point, you can date older, but many working women actually think that age gap oppressive or some shit. Me too is most likely to happen with high earning women the man work with, in the work environment, not with random young women they date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:07 PM
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Women are respected more than ever. The fact women are openly criticized in fact suggests they are seen as individuals with free choice and their retarded choices are criticized just as all choices of free individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:06 PM
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Every time I have dated down, they get insecure about my accomplishments That is understandable, just don't expect men who earn even more to date you, they have younger, better-looking options. They get nothing from dating a high earning working woman while women do get a lot from dating men better than them on economic aspect. If you have no problem being alone and with no family, that is good for a working woman. If she wanted children and a husband and family, but also have it all, she is fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:03 PM
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generally speaking it isn't guys who have a problem with high income women... it's women who have a problem with guys who don't make more than they do. Exactly, these women just complain than the billionaire guy is not dating them. They are not looking for men who earn less or even as much as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:02 PM
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We want couples to be a team, and if she is independent then it is more likely I will be an accessory, not a team player. Most women with career lost their youth studying and working. Nothing wrong with that, but men prefer younger women. Most men will not touch that money they produce anyway. It makes no economic difference for men to prefer "educated" women. I do love smart women to have an intelligent conversation, but truth is that that is not the main thing men want. Men just want company, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:01 PM
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I think tradition seems more defined than current dating strategies, but we are so lost now on even what it means to be in a relationship, so many people cannot be in the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 09:09 PM
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So every couple ever? I mean, they all end up specializing in the relationship, usually defaulting to traditional behaviors by genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:28 PM
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Sure, but often those values are key when defining traditional relationships, which suggests that they are being outphased.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:10 PM
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There is probably a middle ground between being a high earner enough to not have a trophy wife but still giving the option to wife to stay at home with the children and work there, but women today will not ask for less even if they choose that, and it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 04:35 PM
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"She has to cook, clean, and provide sex and I'll be the breadwinner" I think many women would like that if the guy earned significantly more, like hundreds of thousands, but not for less. But your definition seems to be common, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 04:07 PM
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By that sense even 1950/60 nuclear family type of relationships is incredibly modern This is a good point. I think what people want just to be told what to do, because as relationships now mean anything it means most people are not in the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:46 PM
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I think it depends on the advice. Good advice generally women give: What women like, what they want the guy to look like, etc. because women can say what they want clearly if they are honest. Bad advice generally women give: How to treat women for attraction, how men shall act, what is a man, etc. because women have no idea about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:36 PM
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Well, it is a better incentive than just causing envy to friends as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:22 PM
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I don't know where you're finding people to do a week's worth of laundry for $12, but I would definitely like a referral on that. To be fair, I still have to fold it :/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:15 PM
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I fear this. Groups like the Amish or Arab Muslims will take over, not with violence or law, but by demographics. Other religions will probably also create pro-birth villages and cultures. I fear that most child-less people will, at some point, be seen as undesirable burdens to families and I fear they (probably us) will be genocided. It will be ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:49 PM
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Men need less standards as they are more horny, and they don't necessarily want to love or appreciate someone to get sex. Most men cannot afford to have standards. Only top men fuck almost every women they can get and they can pick, and even they are opportunistic and give sex to ugly women which then believe they are special.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:42 PM
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entire idea that men and women can choose who to marry is modern invention. This is not true either. Arranged marriage was not necessarily common in societies in the past. More common than today, for sure, but not necessarily that main way to mate. Fathers choosing husbands for their daughers also had hypergamous preferences for them... they did not want her to marry a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:29 PM
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This is a stupid take. If you are going to be a progressive marxist, you have to get rid of your iPhone, fossil fuels and their products such as plastics, don't eat meat... See? I can also play this game you want to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:27 PM
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Open sexual market is all but egalitarian. In fact, only a very small minority is happy in such market and that is why most societies made institutions to regulate sexual life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:25 PM
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Why do you think so? We already see how conservative populations such as the Amish and Middle Easterns in the West usually have more children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:24 PM
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What really bothers me about your post is the failure to recognize that women haven't had a choice in the matter. This is a little disingenuous, because women were not arrested or kept slaves in most societies. They indeed had less rights, and still do in most of the world, but that is far from saying they had zero choice. Women still had influence on the choice, on who to marry, etc. and even when the Father had to find a husband for her, usually the husband had hypergamous interests for her (e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:22 PM
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I hire some ladies to do my weekly loundry for like $12 in bulk (would be cheaper if I hire undocumented). I have more time to produce my thing, and I also support local businesses. It is a win win. I don't get why more people do this more, they rather pay 2x to get food that gets cold fast and they can buy anyway in their way from work, but don't pay the same once or twice a week for other house labor. Food is incredibly expensive and common, yet it would be cheaper to buy it frozen and just in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:13 PM
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Wow talking about women as collection objects to "have", creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:08 PM
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you're not supposed to babysit and help, you're supposed to do half the labor Completely arbitrary rule that don't apply to most couples, even supposedly progressives ones. In most couples it seems men do most extra-hours at time to provide for more money while women do more of the housing stuff, and that is a perfectly fine arrangement. His "fair share" is indeed provided, albeit not as equal tasks. It is true women do most "domestic" labor of putting clothes in a washing machine twice a week a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:04 PM
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A lot of men aren't worth the effort. What is that effort women put? Open legs? Dress to go to any restaurant or activity paid by the man? Pressing a button on a device and claiming it is domestic labor? Women are precisely used for sex because that is the only thing of value many women have. Not even looks, most are fat. Don't expect any kind of domestic labor or paying half stuff, women are a net loss for men beyond status and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 07:58 PM
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Two different things: Men do want romantic relationships more than women. Men DON'T want romantic relationship with you most women. This reflects the women's choices about sex: Women do want sex. Women don't want sex with most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 07:57 PM
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I thought like redpillers that women's suicide attempts were not serious, but MAID prove that women are serious about it, they just know fewer effective methods than men for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:59 PM
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by the fact women seek out more help for mental health issues than men So why it is not working?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:57 PM
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Who do you know that got thrown in jail for losing their job?? Plenty of men are put in jail for not paying child support, even when it is not their fault they cannot get a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:56 PM
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Women have bodily autonomy now thanks to advances in science so there’s no need to uphold tradition anymore. Also society is far more individualistic so we don’t need to encourage monogamy if it makes people unhappy. The first thing is what I said, I don't get why you think I'm being mysoginistic. The later, that people are happier, is debatable. People have less reasons to be monogamous, but it still has advantages and most people still want commitment and someone to trust. I'd say that people …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:55 PM
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Is it worse than andropause? I mean, low T is terrible and yet it is almost impossible to get testosterone while female hormones are available.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:52 PM
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I mean, it would be nice if the guy got full custody if he loses his job and she has to pay child support. Sadly most likely outcome is the guy will be put on jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:50 PM
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Depends on the legislation, laws can be very cruel to the man. Often they are not even allowed to see the kids and have to pay more, which is an incentive for her to separate the father from the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:48 PM
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No one would judge them if their judgement isn't shaping our life. From marriages to dating to many laws and religions, they exist purely because our ancestors created them. They are dead. You probably want to judge people following tradition, but judging our ancestors for traditions that were put for the greatest good. I think you did not fully read my post, no one is defending a return to those particular traditions, just pointing out they made sense. I'm an atheist, if I was in 2000-1700 B.C.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:45 PM
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He should have said biological women or vaginal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:38 PM
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Fair enough, although kind of wild they protect their health to last more years being miserable and killing themselves when legal (it seems women are more sensitive to legality, if suicide is illegal then men kill themselves more). Seems kind of irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:32 PM
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IDK about menopause, but is it worse than just plain menstruation?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:31 PM
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Sadly often the woman get custody, which almost always means that she benefits from that money, not just the kids. For example, if the man is paying for electricity and water, he is also paying her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:29 PM
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He’s not funding her, he’s paying her to raise his kids, like a nanny. Fair enough, although ideally they shall share the time with the children and fulfill directly their needs. Also there shall be a ceiling for paying for children. Over that it must be the man's generosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:27 PM
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I suspect it will collapse and new religions and cultures that do keep traditional values will survive by natural selection. So we will not go back to tradition as Westeners, but traditional cultures will prevail. I may be wrong, maybe tech compensates for degeneracy better than expected, but I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:25 PM
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At what point does the mother realise, ‘why is he here?’ He can just pay child support and it’ll be less work for me and more free time when it’s his weekend with the kids. Very unfair she keeps getting all financial benefits of marriage while he has no sexual benefits anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:44 PM
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I agree that what we understand as traditional dating today is more modern than what we assume, but I think we can generalize some things about the past even with diverse traditions that were not compatible with each other. I think traditional dating is not itself the rules, as if you look back enough you find tradition allowed hypergamy and polygamy in some cases. So it is not about what rules are chosen by the culture, but how they are implemented and how consistent they are. A key of traditio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:26 PM
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No, I get is sucks, but the guy that does that is playing a risky game. Usually he changes a good committed woman with a woman that is a gold digger or a woman interested only in money and status. At the end it is better for the woman to be left by a guy that did not really loved her. Imagine finding that out late in life!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:22 PM
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Also quantity ≠ quality when it comes to male attention Good point, and I understand it must suck for women to be left with the man they supposed that loved them, but also find comfort in the fact women generally have it better anyway and those men will beat themselves soon or later when they find the new woman is not as committed as the previous. It all evens out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:21 PM
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Some issues to consider here: Biggest users of antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs are older women, 2.5 more times than men. This does say anything about relationship status, but as good relationships are net positives to mental health, this suggests that single older women will have less support and feel worse than partnered older women. Source 70% of users of state assisted death (MAID) are women. Source. Women often say they use more antidepressants because they look for medical help more …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:18 PM
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I mean that it is not a big issue for women. Women will always have more options to choose men. He leaving for better leaves the woman open to find a better man (in like 3 days) and he with a better woman. So it is a win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:08 PM
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Women all know that once the man ‘makes it’ (whatever that may mean to him) he’ll trade you in for the kind of women he’s always actually wanted. Why is this a bad thing? Women always have options anyway. This shall not be an issue, they easily find another men. It is far more cruel when women leave men as men are less able to pull women, and also men invest more in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:00 PM
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That is because men will use your kindness and companionship to continue growing to the point where they out grow you and then throw you away for a higher quality woman. So hypergamy is good for women but not for men? Weird. Nothing is stopping you from also improving.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:59 PM
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Sorry to hear that. Are you planning to have a family on your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:18 PM
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I just don't understand what you want us to do about this? Umm, I'm not asking anyone from you. I'm just pointing out why so many men are single. In the past usually the social structure forced people to interact for many things beside just dating, but now almost all approach to strangers is for an ulterior motive. Even if you genuinely want friendship, the other person is likely to think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:17 PM
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So true. Unhinged people. I think most people prefer high quality partners for sex than sex with a random person every night. Men are more open to this but even men often put limits on older age women or women who are too annoying, and women don't want to drop their privilege in the dating market by opening legs to random guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:11 PM
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No, because if you look carefully, most of those "poly" groups are just losers having sex with other losers. Remember the policewoman that had sex with all those officers... that is how they look, this is another famous example. It is just another sexual strategy of people who are way under average, mentally ill and not socially adapted. Poly groups are usually of women trying to get attention they did not get because they have subpair looks (women rather have sex with a few top men than with ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 09:07 PM
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Agreed. I do think that flirting can be OK and tolerable compared to loneliness, but there are so many variables that can go wrong from that that it adds up. For example, pain of rejection may be more tolerable than loneliness but at the long run if you get rejected often then loneliness becomes even worse, so it is not a safe strategy. I think that the reason is that I don't enjoy flirting as much as other men, and I see it more like a loss of time that in most cases end up in nothing, like a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 08:09 PM
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I agree that a lot of times our expectations creates the problems that bother us the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 08:05 PM
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I think you may want to consider friendships and community before romantic relationships. If you cannot handle keeping friendships together, you really aren't ready for romance typically. I'm not saying this as cruelty or judgement. No, this makes sense, and it is not offensive, although I know people full of friends that still struggle with relationships and being around people that are partnered make them feel inadequate. Meanwhile, others forgot about friends or going out when they got partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:31 PM
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I think it's possible that even if you do have friends you might still think something's missing w/o a relationship, but you should at least try making some close friends first. It will make you feel better on the loneliness front, and it will help you build skills that you can apply to a romantic relationship too. You are right, I think I shall take my social relationships seriously again, although to be fair I don't have many places I could meet people anymore after school and college, but may…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:01 PM
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Yeah, I wonder about this a lot. People kind of want to be forced into social interactions, like school or job, to make connections, but if they are free to not try making them, it seems they rather dwell in loneliness even when more painful at the long run than just calling someone. I wonder why people are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 07:00 PM
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I would argue that there is no way to be "ready" for any negative emotion. I guess only way out is drugs :/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:44 PM
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When you say alone, do you just mean not have a romantic relationship, or are you lacking other social support as well? I don't have any friends or partners, but I do have support in my family, but I understand many people don't even have that. So I don't have it all that bad for me, for now. However, for many people even if they have family support, you may feel something is missing without a relationship if you want one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:40 PM
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you never stop wanting it. It is so disheartening to know we are enslaved to these feelings even when there is no hope for us anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 06:32 PM
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I guess it is like those women who marry average men, help the man become successful, and then he cheats or leaves her. It must be awful. Just because men and women prioritize different things it does not mean we cannot empathize with each other by analogy of categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 12:54 PM
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I'd say some men learn it late, but still learning early to socialize is of huge help, especially for men. Women can be borderline autistic or retarded and still get guys, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:44 PM
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I think men need to start early to meet women or else they lose those skills, at least it seems that is what happened to me. Men who start early to meet women often develop skills to attract more women and get confidence, those who don't usually turn to porn or video games and assume all is "luck" so they put low effort. Just as women are more attractive younger, men are more attractive later if they start to practice their mating skills early in life. If they let it for later, then they often l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:41 PM
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I do see her debt as a deal breaker. Women often have thousands in debt and that can be a problem for the finances of the relationship. Imagine helping her pay her stuff and then she leaves or the relationship ends, it is a huge risk. In most relationships, money is often either her's or both's. So, men don't put huge emphasis on what women earn or work on because what is the point? Men will not get any of that money and men are expected to put money on basic needs of everyone, while her money i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:19 PM
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Good point, and I agree in that aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:17 PM
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All throughout human history, every major religion has sought to control female sexuality. From dressing them like ninjas, to brainwashing them into thinking that sex and adultery are mortal sins to chastity belts. Now, if women disliked fucking why would men feel the need to go through so much trouble to control their sexuality? It made sense to control women's sexuality because people did not want a lot of bastards and single moms running around causing issues and being a burden to society. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:09 PM
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Still if women want equality they also want men to earn more, this means that a proportion of women will not be able to find men that earn more. Men are earning even less than women in some demographics, which is also fine because men don't spend as much money either, especially if it is just for themselves. So unless there were far less women, a few will still not be able to be hypergamous and lose. It seems that social media wrapped perception of many women that believe that they deserve guy t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:38 PM
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A man, whoever he is, should raise his kids because he’s a parent, doesn’t mean he has to be in a relationship with the mum - coparenting is a thing. Even if he wanted to have a relationship with the kid, supposing he has multiple kids his time will be very limited. If a Chad has a kid it is likely he will have kids with other women too, so the chances of this happening are high. I think the limitation is infrastructural, not that those men are evil and want to avoid responsibility, but rather t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:24 PM
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Sex between women and men is a transference of value. Women's sexual value is default up and men's sexual value is default nil. Sex transfer sexual value from women to men. Women who are promiscuous have very low sexual value to men because other men have taken it, and men who are promiscuous have very high sexual value to women. Women's value is in their ability to preserve this asset, and men's value is on their ability to get it. Of course, this is more like an analogy, not literally anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:19 PM
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I think the hypergamy of your mother was very balanced and if she was able to get commitment from the man, it was probably a looks match. I don't think hypergamy itself is bad, in fact it makes sense for women to be hypergamous as they want the best for their children and themselves. Your mother did nothing wrong, and the fact her hypergamy was not only sexual or based on looks makes your mom a very virtuous woman, while you find plenty of women that choose broke and irresponsible men as long as…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:15 PM
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Men are primarily the ones abandoning their already born children, so maybe we shouldn’t expect much from them. Not really. Women know very well those men have multiple women so obviously they cannot be around even if they wanted, why would that man choose you over 100s of other women he can be with? Why would that guy raise his kids with you and not with any other woman? What if women raises their standards and stopped sleeping with deadbeats That would imply for women lowering their sexual att…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:06 PM
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...that having to lower their standards was something socially forced upon them. This limitation was not any better on men, and most of that limitation was geographic. Not marrying outside culture, village, etc. Men were also limited to the women they could feed and care for, they were basically enslaved economically and legally to their families, and not doing that implied harsh punishments. Today we have the exact opposite problem, people have the illusion they have infinite options thanks to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:00 PM
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As for young women, the supply is basically infinite and is not at all analogous to the supply of rich men. Not analogous, but my point is that the supply is still proportionally limited for what men want, just as for what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:53 PM
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Gay men allegedly have more sex than anybody, does that bother you? Or is it just unattached women that bug you? I don't think that bothers men as much, but rather if they want relationships or they invest time in them and find they are hoes, then it is a downer because it almost guarantees cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:51 PM
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Women can’t lower their standards because they are sexually hypergamous. Asking them to purposely lower their standards constitutes voluntary sexual slavery. I disagree. Women can and have been lowering standards since ever if they want to have a family and a husband that stays and don't want to share the same guy. Monogamy is indeed men lowering polygamous standards and women lowering hypergamy standards, a compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:48 PM
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A lot of subpar children. More than usual. Children without fathers often become criminals and engage in self-destructive behavior, single moms do that so any genetic advantage is lost to bad socialization. Chads are more likely to not be around as fathers, so I think it would also be an advantage for kids for fathers to be around even if it implies lowering standards a little. But women don't really care about their children, in fact they kill them and make laws to make killing them after a few…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:47 PM
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Just pointing out that male labor pays for the difference of fake spreadsheet jobs most women love to do. These jobs are also very classist, because women who work in real jobs such as nurses or teachers are not earning even as close as women put in office jobs to fill a quota, yet the later are earning more.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:43 PM
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It is unfair I get that but literally every facet of life is unfair Yes, but it is worse for some groups than others, which is the very definition of unfair. men can put all that testosterone to use and can be driven to achieve more I think this is the mechanism of nature, indeed. Still the same mechanism made men treat women as property, so I would not rely on it to justify unfairness to men, because it would also justify being oppressive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:39 PM
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Yes, but as the age gap grows the chances are lesser and lesser, and the assumption is less logical. I mean the supply of young women for you. Same for rich men for women. Rich men are always being made but that does not mean there will be enough for every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:37 PM
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and then eventually move on to a life without men. Maybe happily enough. With Xanax, anything is possible. I don't think women's rights will be respected in a world where most men don't feel women are attracted to them, in fact they will work to break the system and make it fail. It will be fun to watch, but they did not start it. Women wanted to keep the privileges of men without actually giving anything back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:31 PM
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why don't you just fuck and leave women alone fs I don't think women would survive a day alone in their own, they need to parasite men as a class to even function... infrastructure, tax money, enforcement of their fake women rights, etc. all from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 02:30 PM
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Is not that the whole point of this forum? Generalizations are necessary to a point. If a better generalization (model) is there, I want to know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:37 PM
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I think most men that don't have the looks threshold but are social just end up being nice friends to go around, but they struggle with love and relationships too. They may get more sex, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:36 PM
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I think women's standards are way more restrictive and picky than that of men's, which makes sense because women want the best for their children and themselves. But no, it is not the same. Men usually prefer good looking women but they are OK with average women too. Women don't want average men, they want the best of the best they can get, which again, makes evolutionary sense even being extremely unfair for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:34 PM
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Climate change hell is awaiting the world No, it isn't. There are articles of the 80s that by 2000s half the world would be underwater. Climate Change will cause and is causing lot of hurricanes and disasters, but not the extinction of humanity. Plastics in the ocean are a way worse environmental problem, BTW. But even if you honestly believe this it is better if you believe in a healthy population balance because people in surviving mode, dying, will not care about the climate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:31 PM
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But it is true that men often prefer multiple women (polygamy, men want to date multiple women) and women prefer the best men (hypergamy, women never date down) and historically that is what is seen and why monogamy is enforced. Why do you find that controversial? If you think this is controversial, tell me what model you find suiting reality of dating better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:29 PM
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The "global birthrate crisis" is 100% a manosphere delusion since the global population is, in fact, increasing. The issue is not the lower number, but the birth rate. Imagine america had 100 people, and only 10 in working age paying and working for the younger and the older. Working people would rather see you DEAD and probably let us all starve. Demographic Hell is awaiting the world and we have not even started to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:05 PM
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You pointed out that women also have multiple men, you gave no argument of proof either. I at least gave you and argument because statistics on polytrash people are very limited. But I'm not even saying that is the case. It is obvious there is not one woman for every man and plenty of people will die alone if we are 50/50 and people criteria never change.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:04 PM
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Poor unborn babies :(
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:49 PM
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Women rather open a conversation, ask for a favor, etc. to motivate the guy to approach. They usually don't want to look desperate or lusty. For men like me with little experience with women it seems they don't approach at all, but the fact is that when they do it looks so unbelievable, we make it seems it is just part of our imagination, or we are assuming wrong (which can be true). So we don't get cues, but men who do keep getting and taking advantages of the cues. So women's strategy of appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:44 PM
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There are plenty of fat women who have families, loving relationships, and are living fulfilling sex lives. Yeah, because either they marry a desperate man or they let themselves get lost. Very sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:39 PM
1

I'm not attracted to overweight women either, but I don't run around moaning about "land whales" because I don't consider a woman being unattractive to be a moral failing. Women always say they cannot force themselves to be attracted to like 90% of men, only top 10%, so why do they complain men also find most women disgusting?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:36 PM
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Yes, it is sad so many women let themselves go whale.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:34 PM
2

Imagine finding a way to lose playing in tutorial mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:32 PM
1

Imagine living in tutorial mode for dating and still finding a way to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:31 PM
1

It seems you are insecure and that is something you can take control on and change, but it has not a lot to do with dating. It may affect your dating options, but men don't really care if you are insecure or not, unless you are flaky. Men also like feminine women. If you act masculine, with masculine hobbies and clothes, they will just treat you as a guy. Fortunately, most women are already feminine, they just have to express it better if they wish to get attention. There are actually secure and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:30 PM
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My point is not as much that you can't, but the odds are limited by many variables that come and go so it is better to stick to the best and be wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:59 PM
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Usually men who have lots of sex do because they don't have attachments having kids. IDK how they do it, maybe they use condom, maybe they pay for abortions, maybe the women attribute the babies to their poor husbands, etc. The point is that the very purpose of hypergamy, to improve the genetic pool, is undermined now that we have birth control. So the only good thing about hypergamy is lost!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:58 PM
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No, but the same sexual dynamic that allowed those arrangements probably still exists today. Just as men in the past were more violent, and today they are still more violent than women even being way more peaceful on average than in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:44 PM
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Hard to know what approaching is. Asking for a drink? Giving a compliment? Speaking to him/her? Say hi? Depending on the definition, women approach or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:23 PM
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she is just practicing her game and more than likely is just boosting her own ego. This is also true, although I see it more common in party and club environments while they are kind of drunk or with friends to "prove" her friends she can attract men. But rarely I see this game played in common life to men close to her, such as in job or friends, although I don't see that it does not happen. It's fucking annoying that it is always on a man to keep the wheels spinning, to keep the magic happening…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:15 PM
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I have not found studies but it seems historically women shared top men, and today women are more hypergamous while men are more polygamous. Monogamy seems to be a middle point that gives happiness to most (not all) people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:08 PM
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This is true too. I don't know if "rejection" is the word but often men imply commitment and don't give it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:07 PM
-1

Sadly, that rarely is the case. Women are more likely to share men than men to share women. Polyamorous groups are also usually just small sex clubs without any commitment or influence in the dating pool but they do have influence in the sexual dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:56 PM
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It does not matter, because even if 1% of men take 2 women each of them, the market is wrapped and all kind of inequality is enforced down the line. You also just need 2 people cheating to destroy two families.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:37 PM
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Usually these marriages are more like symbolic, for family status or for trying to restore some kind of status. There is no actual love there, the woman usually is open to fuck other men, the man usually fucks other women. If children are born there, poor children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:32 PM
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To begin, we’ve been seeing this for decades with women, magazines, commercials, etc all basically actively telling single women that in order to date you have to “get this product” or “listen to my exclusive advice in this magazine”, etc Ironically women don't need any of that to date men. They can be autistic and just smiling and opening legs they can get a man. Imagine living in tutorial mode for dating and still find a way to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:30 PM
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Loving is risk. Human experience is risk. Life is risk. Sure, but the risk for men in marriage outweighs those for women. Women had the risk of being abandoned to poverty a few decades ago, not anymore as the state basically becomes the providing husband and all people resources are pooled as such, and we know single men are taxed higher so at the end it is single men paying for bastards and untrustful women raising criminals. Marriage is everyday more useless for both men and women, but for men…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:28 PM
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A few hundred dollars, eh? When your income is higher, then let me know. If I live alone I don't know a higher income in the first place. But yes, some people are stupid enough to work 100 hours a week just to earn like 30% more than me for a wife that don't contribute anything to their lives (often not even sex) except the risk of being divorce raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:22 PM
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then why doesn't every woman just have sex with the richest man that they can and lie about being on birth control? Many do it, but rich men are not stupid if they are still rich. They often get a vasectomy, an army of lawyers, etc. but yes, most baby traps are women trying to trap high value or rich men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:21 PM
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Which is an oudated law because women today are able to get a job and work their own money out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:20 PM
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By calling it “delusion” you reveal your disdain for women But it is a delusion. You cannot have it all. Life is full of tradeoffs. Women are being sold a lie, and I'm the one disdaining them for pointing it out?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:19 PM
1

My objective position from a distance?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 04:17 PM
0

It's harder for obese women to attract men, than less attractive women. This is so true! I wonder why, but it seems so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:58 PM
0

It seems a risky thing to put your finances and legal issues in such a personal decision on an institution with so few benefits you cannot get somehow elsewhere. But hey, everyone can do what they want. Still it seems it is progressively more stupid to marry as benefits of such institutions are democratized and distributed without the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:57 PM
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That is OK you value marriage, but I think your assumption is that such structure and family cannot exist without marriage, and many people probably disagree with you on that. Now, in the past marriage made more sense as you would be ostracized by community for not marrying the person you are with, but today people don't even care if we exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:48 PM
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The irrational reasons are moral or religious. I mean in utilitarian aspects. If marriage is required to be part of a community, and community has real benefits and status and can help you. But such community don't exist, or is not in the life of most people, who are atomized. If marriage gives you no benefit and it is risky to be divorced, then it is irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:46 PM
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Depending on the situation and the benefits, sometimes it is better to pay the taxes as independent individuals. Still it is weird to marry just to save a few hundred dollars, in fact not paying taxes at all seems less risky than an ugly divorce for losing money.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:42 PM
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The are financial implications for breaking the vows There is a cost of divorce and legal issues after divorce, but not because breaking the vows, but because post-marital arrangements. For example, if a woman cheats and breaks the vows she still gets money for the children and sometimes for herself too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:41 PM
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Good point, but most women know that the state guarantee them such security. They are basically married to the state for just existing, so if they have children it does not really matter as much, they will still get the money somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 08:39 PM
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I view marriage as a legal contract. I also see it as a legal contract, but it is unnecessary adding legal complexity to personal decisions and choices. But I do get your point, and it may be what some people want and that is OK. It just seems irrational to me unless there is a strong moral or religious reason to it, and even that is questionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:33 PM
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You know you can write your own vows and marriage ceremony, right? Sure, but it makes no sense if you can break those vows anyway with no consequence. Is not it better to drop the idea of marriage in the first place? Marriage seems like a romantic idea we want to keep but not practice. That is OK, but this creates cognitive dissonance. Civil unions probably make more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:22 PM
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IDK, marrying for that is like going to work only to meet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:14 PM
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Yeah, it is true. No one wants to carry the shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:13 PM
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I don't get what is the point of promising to love "forever but not really". Seems like a very dishonest contract thinking from that perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:10 PM
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That sounds cunny. Ironically marriage for citizenship makes a lot more sense and is a good reason for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:08 PM
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Little if any of that is directed at men bUt pAtrIarChY
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:07 PM
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if women already weren't attracted to me, becoming less attractive isn't really going to hurt me. Exactly. Men don't lose significantly anything they did not have in the first place. Meanwhile women go from full attention to way less attention (yet still more than that that men get, yet they complain a lot).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:48 PM
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Why are men caught cheating more than women? When men cheat, the affair woman sometimes start to get jealous, and they try to sabotage his relationship by calling at hours when he is expected to be with his wife, sometimes they leave evidence of the affair for the wife to find out, like a lipstick in his vehicle, or keys, or other items that evidently belong to a woman, so now the man has problems at home. This is a very good point that shall be explored more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:32 PM
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Average women has the same sex pool as a high value man. Exactly, but not necessarily chad and that makes them depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:29 PM
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The means of (re)production. Women are also very classist and interested in partners for money, which makes them the antithesis of Marxism, although they claim to be left wing for woke points.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:28 PM
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Precisely because men have so fewer options they take any opportunity so they are less able to develop loyalty because most women are not interested in them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:26 PM
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I wonder why there is no woke movement to favor ugly people. It is as bad as a disability such as autism, but worse because no one has empathy for the ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:25 PM
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Ugly women just complain they have fewer options, not even close to the hell 80% of men live trying to find a date. Men often don't have options at all, and even if they do it is not obvious as women are often shy and don't make it obvious. Meanwhile ugly women still have a few options to satisfy their narcissist supply. So yes, ugly women have it worse than pretty women but still way better than most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 06:23 PM
1

approaching random women is a great way to have the police called on you Unless you are chad!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:04 PM
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Women base most of their value on how much men value them, even denying it, which is a problem for them later in life when they actually have to be valuable on something else than getting attention from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:03 PM
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DELET THIS NAW
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 04:01 PM
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I understand. Maybe some may may try to use average women as a number for status and self-validation rather than honest dating and love, which probably sucks if that is not what the woman wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:08 PM
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Personally, I think the ideal dates is going for a coffee or to the beach together. You know, not huge preparation, meeting the person as they are most of the time they are outside. But sadly many women don't want that, they rather want a very expensive restaurant paid by a guy they will reject anywya.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:50 PM
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IDK, online people may sell you a complete facade that is not true and only real life meeting can truly help as facts are harder to hide, questions are harder to avoid, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:40 PM
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On overall, I agree with the redpill that men have it way harder, but that does not mean that women are drawing on good options to pick, and women are more emotional and want more than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:39 PM
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I disagree. The guy approaching suggests he is brave, how he approaches you shows his manners, the tone of voice, how he dresses usually, if he is interesting or not, etc. A guy online may sell you an image that is not true more easily than in real life, and images can also be outdates or adjusted or cherry picked. But I do agree that the diversity of men in apps may outweight the downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:38 PM
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Yes, and it is unfortunate. Sure, women can get sex at any time but most women just want a good man for a relationship, not just a dick. It was hard for me as a man to understand the perspective of women, but the irony is that in this dynamic both genders end up in their worst: Most men end sexually frustrated and most women end up emotionally frustrated. Only men who win are very top men and very sexual women not looking for anything serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:33 PM
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Apparently, most women feel it is risky to go out with a stranger. Even if they meet in public, at some point they have to leave, go to the bus station or car, and the stranger may follow. They also have to invest more on makeup and clothes than men, so they may do that for nothing if the guy is not for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:25 PM
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Even if the wall existed in men, Women notice the wall more because the drop in privilege. Men don't miss anything if they have been ignored by women most of their lives. Women, however, get lots of privilege and attention and part of it is lost after a certain age, and they miss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:05 PM
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If it is a cult, it is a reactive one to already crazy and anti-male culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:03 PM
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Like 75% of the women I’ve slept with were after first dates that I wasn’t feeling too well but figured hey might as well. I’m horny and we’re at her place. Lying about your intentions is gross though. I never had to lie, I just treated the girls well and they wanted to sleep with me. If they want to marry you in their mind that is their problem. Women who want real commitment know that is not the real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:39 PM
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Men often are polygynous, so they may have multiple girlfriends. If women were not so sure, then they should not open legs to any guy. Make him invest at least some time. Women just want to have sex, and that is OK, but they also want the benefits of being seen as innocent victims that they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:38 PM
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What men mean with relationship may be different with what women mean. Some men and women may want marriage, others FWB, etc. It is important to define well what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:33 PM
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I have sex, just not with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:32 PM
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Agree, men have it far worse, but they get a taste of losing their sexual privilege and p*ssy magic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:29 PM
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Why do you even care so much? Why do you want to control what women do? As explained, this is not about control, just pointing out the delusion. Younger women are being lied to that they can have a career and have children in their late 30s with no issues. This is a lie, and 80% of women who find themselves childless at older age end up admitting they wanted a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:28 PM
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Of course, and that adaptation sometimes mean a lot of people unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 09:21 PM
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I get that men would choose multiple women if they could and would require no effort. Women would also get the best man they could get if he could commit to them. Women are not eager to share but some do. Men are not eager to commit to only one woman, but they do. It seems monogamy is institutionalized to avoid a greater disaster of many men and women being left behind. Monogamy retires people from the dating market (in theory) so the hypergamy/monogamy only happens in the context of ever-fewer …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 09:05 PM
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I would not say relationships are impossible for average guys, but rather it is not worth it. Imagine getting fit, a 80k job, your won house, etc. just to get a fat woman that spends all day in instagram and probably chatting with other guys, etc. Imagine investing all that time, money, risk, emotion, etc. in just subpair pussy... and I say subpair pussy because average woman don't really add much to your life if you are already independent and wealthy. I think the reason there are no good women…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 08:05 PM
1

So you don't think it is possible in any way to owe someone something?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:09 PM
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Yes, but they usually earn less or less hours, or they don't share their earning, so they shall compensate with housework to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:59 PM
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That is OK, just pointing out that if you commit you do owe your partner something. Usually couples have some form of commitment to be couples in the first place, such as at least exclusivity, but I have no idea how ultra progressive couples work today.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:42 PM
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I think I did not express myself. You are free to commit or not, but after commitment you owe the other person what you commited to. Sure, you can break it, if you are a shitty person, but there is some obligation there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:32 PM
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Agreed, but if they agreed to be exclusive to each other, then each other owe that. Of course, commitment today is a joke and usually it is symbolic, but in theory it is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:21 PM
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So commitment is dead. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:20 PM
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Women hate they are only valued for sex, but often they marry and they don't want to do their part in the house and their job is not enough to pay for the house too, they often even keep the money they earn and not share it in the house. No cooking, no cleaning, while husband works overtime. So their only value of wife for husband is, indeed, sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 05:52 PM
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Women don't OWE men anything. Not even commitment and exclusivity?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 05:50 PM
6

Precisely, women's wall is like women finally realizing how bad men always had it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 05:47 PM
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The Wall is just a realization of a woman, I prefer to call it the Peak. When the womans realizes her peak attractiveness, fertility and chances of relationship with a high-quality man are now going downhill. This is not good or bad, it is just life. Men also have their peak but usually they had their worst years early in life so they don't fall depressed or angry as some women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 05:46 PM
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I'm short and I get the struggle, but something does not add up... short men still have sex and date, and still have short children. I think you have to compensate in other aspects, sorry there is no other way, or give up on dating, which is acceptable too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 04:14 PM
-1

Yes, for a job that you have to pay for instead being paid for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 04:12 PM
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Agreed, but don't this support the idea that sex is seen as scarce for men and therefore a form of status to get it? That would suggest their libido is higher or more aggressive than that of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 03:52 PM
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Too bad if true. Regardless watching or not porn does not make me nor stop me from being a rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 03:51 PM
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IDK, it seems women are more open to be months, even years, without sex with no issues and no frustration, even having it available in minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 03:38 PM
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To be fair with traditional societies, they also punish rapists harder than in the West. The problem is when many of those people find the lower punishment in the West while keeping the repression that moved them to be abusers in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 02:34 PM
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Crime as rape has been going down in the West, not up. Also rape is more common in societies where sex is repressed or among people that came from those countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 02:21 PM
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I do value strength as a stand-alone value for men, but truth is that strength is for most men a tool to be useful or get women. None of that is obvious anymore in this society they don't feel part of. If they don't feel as contributors or they don't feel they can get women that way anymore because other variables, then why would those men lose time or effort in such thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 02:12 PM
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Even if women were secretly succubus, it does not matter. Men express their sexuality more openly and therefore this creates the illusion that men don't value relationships because sex is a priority for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 02:09 PM
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I believe women value the relationship first initially, but men learn to slowly value or grow it. But of course, that is my belief, not Gospel facts. Honestly that I what I perceive, not what necessary is. However, I do understand why women may believe men value relationships less as men often prioritize sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 02:07 PM
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Why would any young men die for Isreal, after being disenfranchised and condemned by society before they were even born? I'm glad they are letting the system rot. Those men don't owe society or women anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 02:04 PM
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Yes, and I agree with you, just pointing out that porn is an escape for the few men that would be otherwise be rapists or harassers. I'm not saying this is ideal, ideally no rapist would exist and porn would not be a thing either, but so far it seems to work as a necessary evil for society to deal with these situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:56 PM
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Monogamy seems to be like a middle ground, an agreement, between polygyny of men and the hypergamy of women. Women want the best men, men want the most women. Most men cannot have multiple women, most women will never get the best men for themselves only, so they find each other in the middle ground of monogamy, which I believe is a reasonable middle point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:45 PM
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I wonder if it is that men hide the emotional aspect and express the sexual aspect more, while women express the emotional aspect but also hide the sexual aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:42 PM
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Why do you think that? Male sexuality starts sexually and becomes emotional, women's sexuality starts emotionally and ends up being sexual. Sure, there are countless exceptions, but the generality is like that. Someone has to initiate. Someone has to take the risk to ask out. Someone has to take the risk of shame. I don't find that despicable. Manipulation for sexual interests is not less moral than manipulation for emotional interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:41 PM
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My point is that if women want frequent safe sex they can easily have it. Women that want to have frequent sex often have sex with men close to them, such as friends or neighbors. They don't like sex with random men, which is reasonable for the reasons you exposed... it is a huge risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:37 PM
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You don't need many rapists or creeps to disturb all women. If only 2% of men are like that, and porn stops most of those men from such thing, then porn is a huge benefit for women without assuming the overwhelm majority of men are rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:35 PM
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You haven't actually argued that men value relationships more than women. I'd argue they value relationships the same as women, they just value sex initially more to it seems they are more desperate for relationships, but actually they just want the sexual benefit of relationships. However, after a relationship, men are less likely to want a divorce and often are eager to provide the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:34 PM
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Libido isn't a male/female thing, it's completely individual. That is true, but men generally have higher libido. That is why most porn is produced for men, and most prostitution is for men (even prostitution of men selling themselves).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:33 PM
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That is OK, but I think it also it proves my point. Many women are OK being celibate for years, but not the case for many men, regardless of their relationship status.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:32 PM
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Contemporary Women shall be glad porn exists. It is not that porn is good, but rather porn is a necessary evil, a distraction and a libido control mechanism. Sure, women may find men to be cheaper to them as mend don't need to do much to get an orgasm, only access to internet, but the benefits are greater: less rape, fewer men creeping around, fewer men asking them out (which they hate if the guy is not at their social level, women are classist), etc. Without porn, it would be like in the past, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:27 PM
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True, but you can argue the same about women. Some women don't really want relationships, but FWB or just enjoy the hoe phase. However, it seems men value relationships less, but it is an illusion because they are hornier and even men that are not interested in relationships are still looking for sex, while women that are not looking for relationships often don't like sex as much as men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 01:22 PM
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Yeah, I wonder the same, or they complain their boyfriend used to beat them for years. Then they claim guys are not getting women for hygiene and being misogynistic. Clearly there is something else and that explains the men's frustration with what women claim and the truth. Regardless, I think men are putting too much mind and heart on this. If it is truly over, why keep suffering about it? Just move on and let women keep choosing the worse men and convincing they are so smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:06 PM
1

You have also chosen to seek these spaces out… DELET
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:05 PM
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I understand it can be frustrating, but often having good hygiene, dressing well, etc. has other social uses beyond just dating. Another thing is that if it is over for you, you just move on to the next best thing, you don't just go crying online and trying to poison everyone around as an insane person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:54 PM
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Agreed, the hypocrisy. But also women are the choicers in dating so they have power to implement this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:45 PM
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Most suffering comes, not from the harshness of the world, but from not accepting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:05 PM
2

Married men see as much porn, it must have nothing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:35 PM
0

It is reasonable to complain about something, as long as you don't make it a lifestyle or almost a clinical issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:26 PM
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Yes and it is not sustainable because when there are not more oppressors, they have to find new ones to justify their own belief. If it is not Chad, it is Tyron.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:54 PM
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They’re afraid of getting to a hundred rejections this way and then thinking it may have just been better to eat Doritos and play PS5 all day than our in all this waste effort To be fair, it is a valid fear, many men try and end up with nothing. I personally think it makes sense to dress more or less well, and go out, even if there is no hope for love. Sometimes meeting people, friends, family, etc. is enough a reason to keep living even if there is no dating prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:23 PM
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being edgy and trying to trigger the rest of us. Yes, trying to put others down. Not even saying they are not right about what they say about dating, we know it is not easy, but it is the toxic and disgusting attitude that hurts the most themselves and those around.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:07 PM
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I agree that it would be more tolerable at the long run to just accept the situation and know you are just not as lucky as other people. It is a bitter pill but it does not need to be a blackpill at the long run. That is what I admire about people in the past. Sure, they sucked in so many things, but the hard times made them accept things that we would consider unacceptable today, and even after that finding a way to make a family or be happy in their own limited and unfair world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:54 PM
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I guess first impressions are more important than ever in the age of instant gratification. Sure, first impressions were already important, but now they can be hold static in a picture and make all the difference in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:52 PM
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Dating “bad boys” isn’t actually as bad as it seems on the surface though. In certain environments a “bad boy” one who is ruthless, cunning, who other men fear, who is violent etc.. is actually better at protecting and providing than a “shy nice guy”. I agree on this, but I find odd that women get greater interest in men that would be able to protect them more (taller, muscular) precisely in times that such protection is needed the least. I guess that as women have their basic needs met on their…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:45 PM
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Basically, men have been stolen of their true identity. Men are women's slaves in modern society, and of course this is a power play, and not done bynwomen mind you, but by the rulling class. You have a point. All approval on men is from women now. It is kind of sad because many women supposedly don't want that... they want to get men with a goal and a purpose beyond getting women. Of course, they will never admit feminism played them, but they feel also that something is wrong, although they wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:42 PM
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IDK, complaining so much about it feels like putting salt on the wound. I get the pain, I don't get why entertain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:38 PM
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Is that a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:37 PM
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I believe men, I don't believe they handle it in the best way possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:37 PM
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I wonder how much of this psychological situation is the result of internet. We are barely starting to adapt to the amount of information, sources and interactions worldwide. Maybe this process is unavoidable, and internet is not going away. I'm glad so many people, including us, are getting more conscious about our own patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 05:36 PM
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People often create their own problems and don't even realize it. Then complain about it or even take it out on others. Only difference is I don't believe they want to suffer. I believe they don't see the cycle they create for themselves and put it on the outside world instead of looking in. You are probably right. Suffering may be just a byproduct of this pattern. I've found myself in this pattern but catched myself before I get suicidal or destructive, but I could get some people never finding…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:23 PM
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... for guys who weren't dealt much of a genetic card, they're not victims for recognizing this reality. They're not getting their jollies from suffering. They're just living without delusion. If it is a genetic reality, I wonder why the suffering. It seems such suffering is more like a remanent of hope, but behind layers of anger and frustration. If there was no hope, nothing of those feelings would be justified. It is like suffering because we are not born with wings to fly like birds. Secretl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:18 PM
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Don't even try ? People who whine about it most definetely tried. It seems they are trying harder to change others' views than themselves, though. In any case seems like a waste of time, energy and mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:08 PM
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People who have a hierarchical mindset but cannot dominate their environment tend to retreat into a fantasy narrative in which they are superior in some sort of hidden way and the rules are self-reinforcing. Totally. I think this is precisely what Nietzche was talking about when he thought about Slave morality, how slaves justified being slaves by being better than free people in some unmeasurable moral or spiritual way. Pure cope. Radical honesty is the healing here. For example: "Sure, I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:06 PM
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I'm not assuming that by improving hygiene and looks you will get women, as I said many good guys I now are struggling. I just find disturbing that some people just let themselves ROT for that reason. There are good reasons to good look, have hygiene and dress well beyond just sex. For starters, it helps you at least look like you are well put in society and people treat you better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:00 PM
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I can get why average guys give up on dating, and I understand it is not for everyone. That is OK and it is not anyone's fault. The issue is that many don't even try. Even if they don't try dating, at least try living a peaceful life and forget about women for most of the time. No need to make it like a show of how bad they have it, competing with other online about how bad their situation is or how evil women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:59 PM
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Nobody to blame but myself but I'm content with my life as is I think this is a mature approach to your situation, but I think the issue is when many people don't really take the responsibility and spend HOURS justifying their lacks and needs online, lamentation, etc. If you are going to put effort anyway, why not put it in yourself instead the hope that people may be sorry for you? I don't get it... Maybe they romantize victimization? Maybe they believe being victims make them look virtuous? ID…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:47 PM
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I agree totally with you, but it is still baffles me they put so much effort in defending a victim status if they can still use that same effort to get better. Sure, they may not get women because it is not easy, but also they don't have to look the worst. Sure, there may not be "juice to squeeze" and yet they put so much effort in staying where they are. It is borderline insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:45 PM
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This happened to me. Someone I know said that I dress terribly and then another person confirmed. It is sad but it is not something you cannot change... just read some basics about clothes, ask for suggestions and buy new clothes. It is not like a plastic surgery or being born again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:41 PM
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And nobody can help them overcome their resistance but themselves. Victim mentality is a hell of a drug. I think we all can or have been tempted by it or practiced it to a point, heck a lot of cultural wars today are precisely about proving who is the biggest victim. However, it is not normal to stay in this state of being for years, sometimes a lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:40 PM
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Perfectly put point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:10 PM
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Am I?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:08 PM
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Personally, I believe people who kill themselves usually do it because they could not truly give up what they want. All the happiness, meaning, etc. was attached to a thing they could not get or keep. Not to mention that many people who truly give up just rely on videogames, porn, etc. and they do relatively OK depending on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:07 PM
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It is true, for some of us it is over, but in that case what is the need to defend our position so hard? If it is truly over, then I would just move on. Imagine putting all effort you could put on yourself just putting it in convincing people online.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:05 PM
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This may be true, they just not want to try hard because what is the point? After all, if they are not tall enough or good looking enough, it may not matter if they dress better. However, it has advantages in society to look well beyond just love. What baffles me is the passion and the debate skills they develop to justify their situation. If you give up, what is the point of debate or defending or attacking anything? Just move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:03 PM
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Same, which is a valid point of view. The issue is when people make it such a Greek tragedy and need to justify it so hard. It is bad when that attitude becomes an obsession.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:00 PM
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Yet, they suffer the consequences of being rejected for those flaws. Wonder why they have to work overtime to justify that choice instead just trying a new style.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 02:58 PM
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Yes, that is the irony. If you lost, why are you trying to defend or debate anything at all? Just move on if you truly have nothing else to do. It seems they are defending very hard from even the possibility there may be hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 02:57 PM
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No longer are they forced shack up with some loser in order to live they get to pick what they truly want, polygamy. Humanity's default. If that is default, then women being sex slaves is too? I mean, that was the only reason why they were hold. Now the man has no responsibility for the many women he fucks, so women are mad because the guy don't marry them but also want polygamy. Don't worry, antidepressants will make the dread go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:42 PM
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Yes there was some feminist movement, but the truth is, the economy required women to work anyway. Feminism mostly made it easier for women to pursue male dominated fields. I think this was also a result of the war, not precisely feminism. Women always did Men's jobs when most men were in war. However, after WWII it seems women just stayed in the working environment forever, or at least adopted the idea as normal and then feminism seized the opportunity. Biggest winners here are, as usual, compa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:37 PM
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A lot of incels would be terrible boyfriends, they're just much worse at hiding it than the men who actually get to be terrible boyfriends. Maybe, but it is not safe to assume all men that are not partnered secretly hate women, and clearly men having sex don't necessarily means those men are not hateful too. The issue is the blind spot. Many of those men are not as social as the men women date, but they are decent enough for a relationship. They just need exposition, and gain some pre-selection.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 09:27 PM
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If only sexual attraction was the only variable women consider, you would be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:55 PM
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Some high value men marry or are in relationships, so unavailable. Except when they become available, they are usually taken fast. Some high value men are sexually valuable but they are not in relationships or such, these are the men women fighting for but they will never get commitment or stable marriage from those guys. Then you have the rest of men that rarely if ever get into relationships, they are mostly invisible. Some have given up, but most are passively waiting for a chance. Still they…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:53 PM
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Also didn’t you respond to another poster that you weren’t attracted to women? It is complicated, but I was not dating my coworker.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:34 PM
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Media also poisons the well. Too many fake perfect couples, high expectations, etc. Intuition is more like a synthesis of knowledge, but if it is poisoned by media, we often may find disappointing relationships and trials. But I agree, we need more real life :/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:43 PM
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Men approaches: 99% rejection Possibility of negative status (creep) Too much work, mixed signals, stress. Women approaches: Men clearly say yes or not. No ambiguity. Low rejection, but if rejection happens it is chill and both have a laugh. No stress, no public humiliation, no creepiness Women approaching is superior, but also men may interpret this as the woman being too easy, which is I think the reason why women don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:35 PM
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We need two incomes now Well, women wanted to work so now it is a must for them to work and as supply of labor doubled, wages became stagnant. So families are working double for the same income. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:32 PM
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You are right, intuition only works when patterns are formed and commonplace. Today, we are barely accepting we are connected to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:30 PM
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I have waifus
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:13 PM
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It is an issue of relativity. If men only have bad women or worst as only choices, then they will assume that all women are like that so the "good women" in their intuition will be those that are less bad. Their relative perspective on women will be wrapped. Guys also take more risks, and usually the consequences of dealing with bad women are not as bad for guys, as are the consequences of women dealing with bad men. Women may risk their lives dating bad men, men usually just get disappointed or…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:40 PM
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Agreed, just explained why most men don't have the luxury to be picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:15 PM
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I mean, not right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:13 PM
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I love this argument. You’re essentially saying the only thing stopping men from being pieces of shit is a lack of options. This would be considered misandrist if I said it. Rightfully so. I just wanted to say that this dating market breeds for evil and manipulative men to thrive, while good men are locked into relationships, and women to suffer the consequences of players. I thought most women would agree? You act as if a man is invisible to me until he says, hey I’ve had a girlfriend before. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:04 PM
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Which kinda prove that women are often manipulated into dating evil men and they are open to those men in the first place. Daddy Issues? It may be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:01 PM
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Bad men lie and manipulate women until they're trapped and beaten down. So why they return to those men that beat them, again and again?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:00 PM
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It does not matter who says that, but the fact society collectively agreed. It is quite ironic that it seems women in the West are even less accessible than in the Middle East. In the ME you approach the father first and ask for permission to meet the daughter with hope of marriage, but in the West there is literally no path for most women to meet women except by chance. Even if they do "meet" women randomly in a restaurant or Caffee, it is unlikely they will see each other again. There is no pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:59 PM
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The analogy with athletes? The fact fertility go down in women faster than in men? What evidence do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:49 PM
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Yes, but that is part of their job, as it is in sales anywhere. Fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:48 PM
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Dude, that was an example to prove that, just as women's body, male body also gets weak and unable to take some choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:41 PM
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If a 30 year old man has zero dating experience there’s a reason or multiple reasons. That reason/those reasons is what’s standing in his way. Agree, but often those reason are lifted away or are not there anymore. For example, some men may be focused on studying medicine or had mental health that now are controlled. Or simply did not have interest in relationships until later in life. Either way, women assume the worst, which is understandable because it is a risk to date those men, and yet the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:40 PM
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Yeah, a twisted heart :(
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 05:31 PM
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I mean the guys women want usually treat them as trash, for sex only, because they have options. Yes, it is like trash because it is use and discard. It is sad and it is not healthy for women or society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:16 PM
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This is how women justify not dating those men, but it is retroactively about men they never even knew. It is like saying that you don't visit Australia because it is not worth it anyway, if you have not been there. I'd say that about 80% of those men are actually bluepilled and put women in a pedestal, which is also part of the reason they are doomed, to be fair with you. Many women have no problem dating misogynistic men as long as they are sexually desirable. Didn't Andrew Tate had like 6 gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:14 PM
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IRL most men reject a woman they dont want and dont take whatever they can get Most men that are visible*
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:06 PM
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We don’t care about those men though Precisely, which is also why guys that do have options can treat women as trash. Why wouldn't they? They have all the options. I find it funny how often divorced and ugly men are far more attractive than single shy average wealthy guys just because pre-selection. Women are losing a lot of options, but no one want to take the risk.. but when a woman does, often others want that man if he becomes available. It is a funny game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:04 PM
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Can I ask you some personal questions? You don't have to answer them: Did you go out during those years? Were you fat? Did you use to go out with friends way more attractive and/or social than you? Did you reject friendship? Some men are interested in friendship first, they will not ask you out straight up. I guess some women have issues attracting men, but most of those issues are about exposition. If the woman looks unapproachable and almost angry, guys will not approach because they know it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 04:01 PM
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I'm sure men can be controlling in all kind of relationships. Tradition is more about roles, not about control. In fact, I would say if it was about control then it would not have fallen out of fashion as it did, as feminist movements and changes would not be allowed. Even in medieval times you find stories about laud women controlling their husbands, for example. Look at the swinggers... they open sexually to partners but almost always the guy have all control. She is only following and doing a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:59 PM
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This is true, but most men cannot approach any woman anymore, it is taboo. Only men have now is women they know by chance, as neighbors or as friends of friends. That is when approaching is kind of valid. Men who already had girlfriends or have many friends have it easier because they already have contacts to those women, but that is not the case for most single men. It is unfortunate because many of those men may actually want a marriage, family and can be loving partners, but the women will ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:56 PM
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Many men barely get any chances in the first place :/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:53 PM
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Usually if the guy is not expert in relationships, he is discarded, even when he is doing fine without much experience. Usually if the guy admits he never had relationships the woman loses interest or moves on. Usually if the guy is not very social or don't have many friends, it is assumed he is a bad partner, which is not accurate but I get women want to know thirds that know the guy as a background check. So I get why women have preselection, but I'm sure plenty of good men are behind the veil…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:52 PM
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I think most men that want relationships are open to it, in fact most men prefer relationships than casual dating. The problem is that women choose the same men who have no incentive to improve or settle, so it is again their responsibility to choose wiser.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:50 PM
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Look at your post, it’s seeped in blame and finger pointing. Why do you want to make it personal? I'm being such a nice guy here not talking about concrete people!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:49 PM
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When a woman has interest in a guy it’s almost annoyingly obvious. I disagree. Women actually act like that to men they want to manipulate. Just as women working in low wage jobs smile to customers. Women usually are not obvious to men who they are attracted to because they don't want to mess it and want to be asked out by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:47 PM
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Most men cannot exercise their intuition on dating because the lack of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:40 PM
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I guess they think like women "I can fix her" but the thing here is that men don't have many options, while women don't have to fix any man, they can change him at any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:39 PM
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Men have their issues, but those are not those discussed in this post. Society often avoids discussing women's bad decisions and blames all men, society, government, etc. except the woman for marrying or dating bad and evil men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:31 PM
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This is not true either, but tradition indeed asks for responsibilities and obligations. Sure, men had all the economic control in the past, but tradition requires the men to commit and care for the woman, just as it requires the woman to take care for the house of the children. It may not be ideal today for some couples, but plenty of couples can somehow make it work even in today's post modern times.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:29 PM
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Traditional relationships work but if you change tradition a little, often it open disadvantages. For example, some supposed "traditional" couples have the side open for the guy. This is not traditional, this is partial tradition that creates an imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:28 PM
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I'm not into women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:26 PM
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Sure, some men are comfortable staying alone forever, most men don't. I think women also don't stay comfortable alone, but they claim they can because they can get a guy at any time. I think companionship is vital for humans. Also men don't have point of reference to say staying alone is better than not, if they did not have a chance. If those are the only bad options men have, they will assume that is the best women can offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:20 PM
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I do, but I'm suggesting that what women call intuition may not be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:18 PM
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IDK, maybe some women do love the drama and conflict. I mean, we all enjoy violent or dramatic films, maybe that is why women ignore intuition even if it is valid... or maybe their intuition is rather not that, but just desire. Whatever the case, it is weird how picky women are and yet then end up in terrible relationships, not just with bad men, but often with the worse men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:18 PM
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How can we be sure that all those supposed 'decent, good' males are genuine, rather than merely not given the chance to reveal their true, ulterior nature and motives? You can't know, you have to give them a chance and test the waters, just as in any other aspect of life. But women rely often on intuition to not even give a chance to those men. Pre-selection is also huge... if a guy has not been partnered, he is often ignored by most women. The idea is that if he is not selected it must be for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:16 PM
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so anyways he brutally murdered a bunch of dogs about a year later, face was all over the news I'm sure some women may find that sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:12 PM
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Men do have intuition, but it’s better used on non-sexual things rather than the opposite sex. You may have a point there. Maybe both genders have good intuition but don't follow it properly for relationships and dating, but rather put sexual needs or status or group pressure first.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:12 PM
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"You hate women for pointing out their terrible methods to choose men, which make hateful of men in general and resentful and unhappy." Sure, look how much I hate women. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:09 PM
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We will never know. Most men don't have the luxury to "pick" anything. They rely on chances, they don't have options to exercise their intuition or weight advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:08 PM
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What men are these women going after? If they're all chasing high-value men, whose fault is it that they feel bad? Women have all the power in the dating market, therefore they have all responsibility, therefore it is their fault if they are unhappy in this market. Men do have some power on their looks, income, etc. but competition is harsh and sexual selection is not bind to those things. Only a few men are truly attractive to women, and therefore those men have power over most women, but also …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:06 PM
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This is the elephant in the room no one will acknowledge. These women knowingly pick objectively bad men I think it is more preselection. Women choose bad men that has been preselected by other women rather than good, marriageable single men because they assume they are single for other reason than the fact pre selection puts them away.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:47 PM
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Datable, available women are scarce, and they are taken out of the dating market easily. Is she a single mother? No way. Is she older than 35? No way. So if you are a woman and not too fat, no children, under 35, you have all power in dating. It is not even close to how hard it is for men, for women it is as easy as basically just existing and being available those years. The problem is that women rather don't take their youth seriously, they mess around in dead end relationships, until it is to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:44 PM
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Exactly, also when men have the same options to date as women, then we can talk about "sharing responsibility". As long as women have all the power in dating market, they shall take the whole responsibility and stop bitching. Funny how women want the state to basically take power from them if they mess it up... "oh no, this man is so bad to me, but I love him... could the state please stop me from fucking him again?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:38 PM
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yes guys absolutely do have the ability to say 'no' to a bad match. Sure, if you are open to stay single forever and rejected socially because being single means less social status for men. Most men would rather choose bad women than no women at all because at least there are some sexual needs or status to be satisfied even if the woman is trash as so many single women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:37 PM
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Is a bad woman really better than no woman? If she fulfill sexual needs, for example, yes, that may be the case. Of course, not for marriage or relationship, but FWB.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:36 PM
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Exactly, men don't have the luxury to be picky. Women have all the dating power, therefore they have all the responsibility on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:35 PM
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The reason is that men don't really have a choice to pick any woman they want. Men have to take the women that becomes available and accessible, very few. Therefore, women indeed have all the responsibility for dating and relationships because they have almost all power there. The problem is that too many women want the power but not the responsibility. Imagine playing in tutorial mode dating and still finding a way to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:34 PM
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Do you think it will be only childfree people in there? Because I can assure you that most of the nursing home population today has kids; the kids are simply unwilling or unable to take care of them. Yes, I think that when childfree older people become their own blob demographics, the rest of people will want them dead, because they will be a burden to taxpayers and healthcare to fewer workers, and no close family will be there to want them to stay alive. If old people today complain that their …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:31 PM
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We need to stop trying to “save everyone’s life.” Not enough people are dying. This is true. We are creating a category of people that are too old to not work but also require more care and money to just stay alive. I cannot believe it, but yes, maybe a longer lifespan was a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:09 PM
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IDK, it seems most women are into astrology, karma, celebrities, and stuff like that to take important and life changing decisions. It is easy to rely on all those psedu-indicators when you live in a bubble of privilege kept by men. Just because a celebrity pays 100k in surrogacy to get a baby in their 50s, it does not mean they will be able to. If they don't want a baby, fine. If they want a baby, it is better younger than just relying on luck in their 30s or 40s. Unless, of course, maternity i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:07 PM
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Men can have kids in their 30s and 40s, women usually need to have them younger. It is OK to have some age gap. If they want a hedonistic lifestyle, just not have kids. The issue is not not having kids, but not deciding to have them or not when it is time to choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:03 PM
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That is OK, kids are not a priority for everyone. However, if kids were a priority for you, you would be taking a huge risk by assuming you will stay fertile more years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:01 PM
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We’re in a unique time in history where there’s too many people, so mass quantities of women are choosing not to have kids, or at least not prioritizing it. That’s great. Get your bag girl. The issue is not the number of people, but the rate young to old. There may as well be only 100 people in Ameria but if only 10 work, we have a problem. Childfree people will probably end up with Alzheimer in a government nursing house cared by foreigners beating them to death in the 2070s, and no one will mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:01 PM
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I get your point, many men suck, but honestly men don't really can do much here. Plenty of professional and wealthy men are single and not by choice. They simply are not good looking enough or tall enough for most women. But I agree many men don't take commitment seriously and honestly I don't see that getting better anytime soon. Maybe we all were doomed from the start and from now on it decline. Marcus Aurelius also had this view when Rome was falling, just suck it and do the best for yourself…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 12:57 PM
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Fair enough, maybe women expect an equal partner and secondary income before raising a kid. This is a reasonable concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 12:54 PM
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Sure, but I'm talking about women that actually want children and believe they can have it all. They can't. Childfree women will probably end up with Alzhaimer in a government nursing house cared by foreigners beating them to death in the 2070s, but that is their choice too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 12:52 PM
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I'm glad for your and your partner. I'm just going to what is generally seen or frequent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 12:51 PM
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That is another issue. Even if women had the same libido as men, women cannot have free sex without huge risks. It is understandable they rather have sex with one or a few men they trust. Regardless, this makes the gap greater anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 12:47 PM
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They can marry older, we exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 12:45 PM
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Biological clock is real but not as bad as people say. I hope you are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 09:17 PM
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Sometimes they think the side they were on was greener after they crossed sides. Yes, biggest backpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 09:17 PM
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Usually women have a more limited window of time for children, and also they most issues in pregnancy and conception are about the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 08:54 PM
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I'm just a concerned citizen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 08:53 PM
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We are actually fighting to create a dystopia and saying it "fighting for rights and equality". It is so insane and bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 08:37 PM
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Women aren’t choosing not to have kids or have kids later in life because they are just feminist girl boss qweens, it is a direct reflection of our economy and society. You do have a good point. Traditional motherhood is just not affordable for most women anymore, and it sucks. Sure, women shall have the option to have no children or wait longer, but often they don't have the option to be mothers at a younger age when they choose to. Many men are also not working, or working low wage jobs, so no…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 08:13 PM
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Someone else also mentioned the lack of marriageable men, and I fully agree with that statement, even when most men would disagree with it. Imagine having a baby with a guy that just disappears or barely sends a check once a month and neglects the children. It is not easy for women and I totally get it. I just find it that waiting too long can also be bad, but I guess some women indeed did not have any other option.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:57 PM
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I'm very sorry for your experience. I did not know that younger moms would have this hard, but your experience is perfectly valid, and it is sad society is like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:54 PM
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I made almost three times what my ex husband did, guess who he thought was going to quit their job and care for our "kids?" Would you respect your husband more if he quitted and raised the kids? Many women don't, and often use the phrase "my husband is just another kid" for even stuff less radical than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:50 PM
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If women want to have children older, fine, just pointing out that some women consider having children as VITAL yet they prefer to skip the years when they are the most likely to conceive and have a baby to term.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:48 PM
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Why would a career focused woman not want a career ? Do you mean it’s not what men want? If so my question is - why do you think women focus on being able to support herself for the benefit of men? It’s not typical for a woman to focus on her career to ‘find men’ it often has nothing to do with them. I just find that many women, when asked what they bring to the table in a relationship, they talk about career and shit men don't care about and has nothing to do with attraction. Men know they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:46 PM
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Yeah, it sucks for women in this aspect, it is like a tradeoff and FOMO will always be there. Men have it easier, but only on that aspect. Men have to deal with dating, mating, meeting women, making friends and all other shit they have to even have the chance to see pussy. Then they have to provide, defend, work to provide, etc. Life is not easy for men in so many other aspects. It is good nature at least balances out the fairness between genders, although not in the same categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:25 PM
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It is not the same. I don't really think you can love an adopted kid as much as a biological kid. I know it sounds terrible, but deep inside you know it is not your child. It is sad reality is like this, but that is what I have observed. Adopted kids are often abused, neglected, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:22 PM
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Good for you, honestly. But some women are not so lucky. Women's body was made to have babies since they have menstruation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:21 PM
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They are free to take their decision, but the longer they wait the most they will suffer the consequences. There is no turning back. Time eats us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:20 PM
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I think there are a lot of disappointed parents out there. I observed most parents are envious of other parents and children doing better in school, being more athletic, behaving better, etc. It is sad, but I don't think the issue is they regret having children as much as disappointment for how the children are, which is kind of messed up if you think parents shall have unconditional love. But yes, I get your point and that does not make parents look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:19 PM
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The online communities you site are newer, innovative bastions of convincing men (through their own morality disguised as logic and reason) that men are wrong for wanting younger women, they should trust women and that they know best for them, and anything to the contrary is sexist. Notice is follows that guilt, shame tactic from above but in a new form. Yes, it is all about shaming men. If they really did not care and they were as independent as they claim they would not need to cope this hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:16 PM
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Well, I just give my deep Wizard wisdom. They can take it or leave it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:13 PM
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Just pointing out that people often have a blind spot on when is the best to be a parent or decide not to. That is reasonable and expected, but sadly it all adds out and if they want children they may end up disappointed if they wait too long. But yes, economic issues are huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:11 PM
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IDK, but imagine spending thousands on IVF and then getting a child that will be as expensive, if not more, while you are too old and fatigued to deal with it. It must be very hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:06 PM
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Corporate America loves it though, every year new 20-somethings enter the workforce, willing to sacrifice their youth in the pursuit of some empty prize. Totally. This must be one of the biggest scams in history out of the many of neoliberalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:05 PM
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Equally awful are the subreddits like r/regretfulparents Agreed, although a lot of those parents are single parents or parents that did not get the support they wanted. Still I do agree that it cuts both ways, but that does not free us from responsibility. If you want to be parent you have to accept the fact that maybe it was not as good as you indended, and if you want to have children later you have to accept that it may be hard too if not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 07:04 PM
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Someone else said it does in some European countries, but I have yet to confirm.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:57 PM
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There is no one more disrespected on this sub than woman who have children. I disagree. Men love and respect women, aunties and sisters. They don't like women who use children to pull wealth from men while feeling entitled and taking the kids away, though. Men here LOVE to put women down who focused more on birthing children than having a career. I think the reason is that some women love to mention career as a reason to think they are marriageable material, while that has nothing to do with wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:57 PM
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Mass denial. The sad thing is that they make forums and communities just to cope and deny this truth, and articles and films and celebrities as "examples". Reality will hit hard against these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:46 PM
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Agreed. Imagine thinking working in spreadsheets for a boss that don't care about you is more important than a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:45 PM
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50% of women up to 30 years old are childless now; statistically if you're childless by 30, there's 50% you will ever have a baby; by year 2030, it's predicted that 45% of women between 25 and 44 will be single and childless,.. etc. I also read that like 80% of childless women did want to have children, which probably sucks to them they didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:44 PM
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you just seem unhappy with the fact that some people think it's more important to have a stable environment first and then bring a child into the world. Sometimes perfectionism can also be bad. It is like people who wait for a perfect partner that may never come.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:42 PM
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Yeah, my issue with some women today and motherhood is that they want the best of childfree life but also want to have a child. At some point you have to choose. I know it is hard, I know overcoming FOMO sucks, but not deciding can lead to later regrets and unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:40 PM
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Maybe that is true too, but it made sense for poor people even 50 years ago to have more workers for the farm, so they had more children. Sure, there was no birth control either, so it was not just that. In the past children used to mean wealth, but today children in the West are more a liability.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:36 PM
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Why? I exposed my arguments, why do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:34 PM
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Sure, teenagers care so much about personal responsibility /s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:33 PM
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50% of childless women over 30 will never conceive, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:33 PM
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What are they fighting for For globalization, for a corrupt antidemocratic government of Ukraine, for reddit points... it is the most pathetic thing I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:32 PM
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My point is that she is able to still study and work even with a baby, but I agree it is harder. If she really wants to have a baby, she should take this sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:30 PM
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I think a safer assumption was that the kids would grow and produce wealth for the family, which was accurate. It was like a retirement plan. Ironically our tax system works like that but no one wants the burden of children, but do want the benefits and entitlements of future children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:29 PM
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Women who often have babies that old usually had others early in life, so their uterus is strengthened and also eggs don't die off while they are pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:17 PM
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Sadly, I've read articles already about how women are blaming lack of "financially attractive" men to marry, which means women are often very classist. They will also make somehow everyone else to pay for their consequences, thousands of dollars on treatment and health issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:16 PM
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Men don't value virginity or purity for sexuality, but for relationships and trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:10 PM
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No one is talking about forcing anyone, just pointing out that it is important to take responsibilities to avoid suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:07 PM
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Our society fetishes jobs too much. Regardless, most women can start working after the kid is like 2 years old. There are also online colleges and jobs. There is no excuse anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:07 PM
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At least you know what it implies to have a baby. My concern is that this is a huge decision for many women that have not experienced neither maternity nor childlessness late in life. It is kind of a blind decision, but it is important to stick to it if they don't want to have issues later.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:05 PM
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Maybe it is better for those women to just close to the possibility of motherhood and move on, instead just letting it as an open question. Maybe poor people shall not have babies anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:02 PM
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Why do you think biology is misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 06:00 PM
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I think men despise more women that claim to be independent and free but are wealthy by getting child support from exes and they don't really love the kids that much, but I don't think anyone is rejecting those women getting government assistance. Regardless, if a woman want to be a mother honestly, I don't think that shall be a concern what those guys think.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:58 PM
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That's OK, at least you know what you want and you are not living in ambiguity. Maternity is not for everyone, even religions oddly agree on this (monks, nun, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:56 PM
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Yeah, I get this. Just pointing out that it is a huge decision to take and pressure is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:54 PM
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Sure, egg and sperm quality are important, but after fertilization most variables are on the women's body.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:52 PM
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80% of childless women actually intended to have children. That's awful, and more awful is how this is often downvoted and you are criticized for pointing it out. Some people honestly hate reality and would not look into the abyss.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:51 PM
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Women expect men to have all features that they see in male models in films and magazines. There are not enough men like that for every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:50 PM
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Women are on high demand. If they cannot "get" a man it is rather they are just pushing men away somehow. By default, men gravitate toward women and they just have to open themselves to them. The issue may be that many women have too many requirements for men, which are unrealistic. A man earning just above average wages can easily care for a family is she also works, but women often want a guy that earns like 3x the wages themselves earn. That is unrealistic and classist. If women took family s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:50 PM
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Good for you, and you have been wise by deciding such an important think early. I don't get why people fear these decisions if not taking them is far riskier and nastier at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:45 PM
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The clearly don't have to. No one in life has to take ultimatums. That's the beuty of freedom. I wish life was not like that, but sorry, it is. If a guy want to be a professional athlete in his 30s, he will likely fail because the body is old and even if he is good it is unlikely he will be hired. He should have chosen that path earlier... same for women who want children but waited for too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:44 PM
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However, circumstances don't allow us to have a kid at this moment, so maybe in a few years. If it works out, it works out, having a child is not the end-all-be-all for us and we're open to the idea of adoption if we can't have a kid the usual way. As long as kids are not a priority for you, there shall be no issue if you can't get pregnant. Sadly, some women get desperate and take dumb decisions that are not worth the money for the risks and costs they have. I'm happy you are happy, and I hope …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:41 PM
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I don't think they are aware about, for example, the relatively low success rate of frozen eggs and IVF because the benefit is so low for the price that it is just an irrational decision. It is like paying for a full vacation that may happen 10% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 05:22 PM
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Well, I guess hypergamy doesn't help here either. If women have a media-twisted view of how men should look or behave, they will be unsatisfied by normal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:09 PM
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No where did I say it was so bad to have children, but some people can and do regret it. I know women who do. It’s just as sad, if not sadder, than a woman who waited too long and now is struggling. Yes, it is sad, but I also noticed that people often regret stuff by comparing it for what they did not experience. For example, older men may regret not having sex with more women when they were younger, and yet they probably would have regretted the consequences of it anyway. In the same way, some …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:08 PM
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If children are not necessary for your happiness, you can wait as long as you want. Good point, maybe kids are seen as a luxury and not having them is not as bad for some couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:03 PM
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I think I get your point, like the economy of scale... reusing the previous kid's clothes and toys also helps a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:02 PM
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In the past usually poor people were able to have many kids as the extended family cared for them as they worked, but I understand the village and extended family is not seen as positive or desirable in the West. Ironically this is an advantage to migrants to the West as they live them all in one house and that helps them deal with cost of children... no need to pay for childcare, no need to buy much because kids inherit clothes from other kids, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:00 PM
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It’s difficult for women because they want to ensure economic stability for themselves and their future children, and in the western world it takes a lot of time to feel economically secure if you are trying to “do it right” (education, post-secondary education, career and advancement, etc). By this does conflict with fertility options. I disagree that you can just “postpone” a career just like that, if a woman does that she will almost certainly suffer economically and experience a slower rate …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:58 PM
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This carries on in your 20’s when you realise your friends are all finding themselves, enjoying life, travelling on a wimp and you are stuck at home with a screaming child. All 3 of my friends who had children young are now chronically on anti-depressants as a way to cope with this. It’s shit. They admit to me it’s shit and they wish they could tap out. So if having children is not a priority and hedonism is, why not just choose to not have children? Why rather get pregnant late in life, risking…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:53 PM
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I see the issue, but think about it this way: Baby in your 20s Economic issues Baby in your late 30s Fertility issues Pregnancy complications Economic issues if expensive fertility treatments are required It seems waiting gets more issues at the long run, the only advantage is the experience and maybe money to deal with them, but even that is not guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:46 PM
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I do find interesting how women who have children in their 20s are more likely to have another. I mean, if it is so bad to have children, why do people keep having children after the first? I think people without children, like me, are not taking something in account by just focusing on economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:44 PM
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I live in an area where even if you make a good wage, you can't afford to pay rent. Yeah, rent and paying for a house are big things to consider. I did not take them into account too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:42 PM
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I can’t be a mother if I don’t fucking have the money for it. There is no guarantee that a man won’t leave you. So just decide to not have them? The issue is that women hold is as an open question until it is too late, which breeds disappointment and dread if they fail to get pregnant that late. Having children is very important to me. Which is exactly why I need to have a successful career of my own to be able to take care of my children. I hate to say this, but it is better to assume cannot ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:28 PM
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Having a quality of life is much better than quantity, so this focus on "more babies early in life" is weird So don't have any babies? The irony is that you affect both quantity of children (less fertility) and quality of life anyway if you decide to have children older anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 03:22 PM
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I'm trying to be empathic by encouraging women to take wiser decisions early, instead of suffering this process later.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:52 PM
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Quality of life in the West is higher than ever have been in history, though. But subjective life quality, comparing yourself to millionaires and high-class people, make people have an inferiority complex. That issue is more psychological.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:46 PM
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Just pointing out that if you can remove complexity from your life by dealing with pregnancy earlies, why would you not? Sure, you can suffer anyway, but why increase the chances if you have the option to not do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:44 PM
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wut I'm not telling women what to do. They are adults, but that does not cancel the fact most women that choose to be moms later in life just took a very dumb decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:31 PM
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That is true, but most issues with pregnancy are from women who get pregnant at older age rather than younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:30 PM
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What is with people on this sub and thinking people should never be allowed to change their minds? The reason is that changing your mind may cause more suffering than choosing to be a mom earlier or not being a mom at all. Sure, they may change their minds anyway, but sadly most women don't know what it implies. Men have their own issues, but fertility is usually not one of them, as they don't have a uterus and pregnancy has little to do with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:23 PM
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If women always stuck to it we'd have a much lower birthrate. Birth rate is another issue society has to deal with, but I'm talking about the mental health of a woman that want to be a mom later in life, spending thousands in treatments that may end up in nothing, after multiple miscarriages and pregnancy complications. If women are open to this struggle later in life, well, that is up to them, but the issue is that many of them don't have any idea about it until they are themselves there. Sex e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:20 PM
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But that is also the issue, because if they wait even longer it will also be an economic issue anyway. Maybe it is better if those women reject the idea of motherhood once and for all, and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:16 PM
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Yes, I guess it is a tradeoff. Younger you are less ready to be a mom but your body is ready for it, later you may be ready to have children but your body may not be as able anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:14 PM
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All serious decisions like this require some commitment, same as marriage. If you are a 30% decided to be mom, it is likely you will be disappointed because part of you is undecided, and if there is still a part of you that wanted children, then it is likely that part of you will be disappointed. I'm empathic to women because this is not an easy choice, and I understand circumstances change, but you can ask moms and women with no children to decide what is best for you. This is why I fully suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:13 PM
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The problem is that we use poverty to describe social inequality, but our concept of "poverty" can range for just not being able to buy your kid food or not being able to buy it a new gaming console. Women and Children are not starving, but they indeed find their life quality is inferior to those around, which is something to consider. I think that if a woman marries a hardworking man early, and she is able to work in something too, she can be able to take that risk of being moms early.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:08 PM
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The west is usually full of welfare programs to help moms with children. That is how you find poor women having multiple children and most of them grow fine. But yes, I agree it is a risk, but not the kind of risk of dying hungry at the streets, but risk of not having the same life quality of those around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 02:06 PM
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I'd say the second half of the 20s are ideal for most Western women, if they still want to have some established relationship and career and also be able to have children with no issues. Sadly, this window is relatively small, and probably it will get smaller in the future if the economy gets worse and fertility treatments remain expensive for most people, as they have for the last 25 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:55 PM
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I think late 20s is a pretty ideal time to be honest. I believe the same, that age is ideal. The body is still relatively young and still fertile, and you probably have already an established career or at least a job. Sadly, this ideal window is getting smaller and smaller by each generation, as getting a good job is hard and also paying for expensive fertility treatments is. But I do get your point, many women don't have enough money or experience to be parents, but waiting too long can also be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:52 PM
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As long as they know the consequences of waiting, the costs and stress and disappointments, that's their choice. Sadly, most don't know because they believe IVF and frozen eggs is magic because all their celebrities do it, which is a very myopic view.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:49 PM
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Do ugly women exist to men? Or are they just invisible to you? Ugly women still have more chances to get into relationship than average or even some over average good-looking men. Ugly women are also entitled to men that are way better than themselves, so many of them stay single. The wise ones do find average men and have families. Men invest less in ugly women for love and dating, but they don't treat them even as close as shitty as men are treated overall because women have almost all leverag…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:26 PM
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Marriage is a status boost for women but not so much for men. This may be true too, but it is so easy for women to get into relationships (even bad relationships) that people usually assume she is hard to deal with. I would say women have status by default but lose it if they don't get partnered, if it makes sense. However, for men any kind of relationship is a challenge, from a gf to a wife, so it is status by default. Men are born with zero status and go up by challenging themselves. Might be …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:23 PM
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Yes, but also that is what women want after all. It is sad, but that is reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:17 PM
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It is odd. As a collective people don't like single men as much as people assume, but individually, single men usually are liked. If my experience is general, of course. For example, I'm never invited to anything. No one ever saw me as close friend enough to invite me with some frequency. It was a bitter pill to take but slowly I'm starting to care less and less so I get depressed less often. However, individually, at work environments or neighborhoods, it seems people do like me and talk to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:14 PM
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Men want to have sex and the easiest way most guys have of getting laid is by being in a romantic relationship. I'd say they do want love and relationship, but only after sex is guaranteed. Girls are usually on reverse, they expect friendship and romanticism and sex came later. Of course, we as men often have diverse goals and intentions, just as women do. I just believe that as men's priorities mirror those of women, it seems they want opposite things. But I do agree, dating is not easy, romanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 09:36 PM
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An attack or two later (just for having an illness) and I've given up. Sorry for your experience. Sometimes it is better to give up, but not be too close for if an opportunity arises. I guess there must be an antidepressant or activity to forget about this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 09:16 PM
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I disagree, but I do get why women feel this way about men's game being bad. Men who have a game usually go out and find places to play that game. Not many men are like that as the looks threshold is still in place, so even men who have a good game but not good looks usually just give up on going out every night, and rather try to date online, which is worse but also easier. For most men, the game is just luck and opportunity, and there are too many variables to play a good game in this context.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 08:37 PM
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Sure, but that is unavoidable. Men are more eager to do nasty and dangerous jobs, they usually pay better for the risk. Of course, men would not do this without a family to support or hope of getting a woman. Women rather would not earn as much for such risk, or rather earn to a point but marry a guy that earns more, which is also a reasonable choice. Women often want the most financial security for themselves and their children, so it is not something selfish or evil, it is very utilitarian and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 08:26 PM
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I think women are treated better socially, but this is not always an advantage for them because it often creates dependence and sometimes entitlement. Society is far more tolerant and eager to help women, especially younger women, to get into good jobs, colleges, they are protected and assumed innocent, etc. This also cripples women to a point. It also happens to guys... the mothers that don't teach them to cook but do teach the daughters to cook, they are treating the sons better but at the end…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 08:23 PM
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I think the issue of apps is that algorithms usually are very myopic, and so are the users as often the best pic don't reflect truly the person behind. Ideally, we would have more welcoming places for social meeting. However, as all moved online it became obvious people are going there only to date, which kind of kills the magic because it does not feel like a place you go for the sake of it, but only to meet others. In this sense, people who go out now seem to be thirsty or desperate, even when…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:48 PM
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I wonder how matchmaking services work right now? I guess it is just one date in a restaurant or something, and they decide what to do after that. Do people have success there? I wonder, but it seems many of these agencies are small and not very well known.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:02 PM
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Isn't that basically what paid matchmakers already do? Maybe, but one date alone is not enough to meet a person. Suppose the task of the couple is to go to beach, to go gym, or make a picnic or something like that rather than just going to a restaurant with makeup and clothes they barely use. Would not that make the experience more realistic, even at the cost of a first impression?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:00 PM
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I guess this. Imagine they match you with a guy that then gets obsessed with you and starts stalking you, or harass other matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:47 PM
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Sure, but many people meet their loved ones in already unorganic organizations such as school or college, skewed to a demographic for a very specific purpose, where people are put together usually by obligation. However, after a while we no longer have available these environments for meeting new people and finding love. Dating in your work environment is also an example of dating in constrained environment, beyond just clubs or first impressions, but it is often taboo and options are very limit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:46 PM
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If she has a high body count, then it is likely she will compare me to previous partners and also cheat. You don't have to go so deep!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:28 PM
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Don't worry. Less than 20% of men in the spectrum find love, so it is likely not your fault. If you feel the pain and stand it, still, it often goes away. You find out it was just a feeling and you can finally move on, or focus on things that are not as deep as love, but enjoyable regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:27 PM
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It only works if you are attractive. Honestly men shall not focus so much on finding relationships, not because MGTOW, but because ironically not caring about finding relationships is something that women find the attractive in men. It is almost like a clock... I give up on dating and a woman comes around to befriend me, and eventually I catch feelings so she loses interest. It is sad you have to keep your emotions and intentions obfuscated, but sadly that is what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:24 PM
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Good look if they are that tall but don't as good looking to be models.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:55 PM
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I think taller women often look more masculine. It is unfortunate because some tall women are the nicest women I've ever met. Taller women often prefer men as tall or taller than them, but taller men want more feminine and shorter women, so a lot of chronically single women I know are tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:54 PM
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I fear that maybe our society will die and be replaced by another that respect women less, but also produce more children and is demographically healthier. I don't think the West is reverting rights for women, but new societies that don't care may raise and have more babies. What if we always will have to sacrifice a freedom, a right, a demographics to actually survive? What if we cannot be happy? That is my fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:55 PM
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I agree, but the only advantage that it has for top men to have all sex, which is to produce a genetically superior generation, is also lost. So we have the worse of hypergamy without its biggest genetic benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:47 PM
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Evolution says I am more disposable than a woman is. This is true, but only in a narrow sense. So if there are only men and women, it is impossible to say which is more valuable because in men are more valued in a society, then women are seen as tools to produce more men. However, if women are more valuable in society then men are seen as tools to defend and protect women. Who is more valuable? The buyer or the seller? Both are valuable but on different contexts. What makes men dispensable is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 07:39 PM
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If it did, then you wouldn't be here on this board. ??? What does this have anything to do with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:30 PM
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Imagine living all that hell to just stay traumatized and bitter the rest of your life when it all goes away but you don't have much energy for anything else either. Not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:29 PM
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Whatever the game is, people shall not be tortured by desires for not playing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:16 PM
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Fair enough. I've read that some doctors in Europe have as much expendable income as an average blue-collar worker in America. Sure, tax benefits are greater but they are equal among people, so it does not feel like a payback for your work if everyone (even those who don't work) get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:10 PM
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Thee lack of sex in some men also makes it a central issue. If a guy has sex in his 20s he finds it is not all that impressive, so he moves on and can actually do useful things. But if a guy in his 30s find himself virgin, he will always see himself as the stupid guy that never got sex, so getting sex becomes an obsession. Most men are in between these extremes but I hope you get my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:08 PM
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I think men need individual women more than women need individual men. But women do need men as a collective to keep infrastructure and therefore their delusion of independence and freedom, same way women's rights would not exist if men did not enforce them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:03 PM
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This theory has been proven wrong. All academics assumed it was true as Gospel, but these last years violence and crime has actually go down in the West. I guess porn is helping men to stay asleep? Well, if that is the only way, so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:02 PM
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Yes, but men are also having way less sex which supports the theory women are just dating the same men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 06:01 PM
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If that were true they would give greater incentives to married couples who have children, like in Hungary or Japan. That isn't what the United States or Europe are doing though. European countries have a lot of incentives and help for parents and they still do worse than America on fertility rates. This goes way deeper.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:59 PM
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The birth rate is down. If more men are alone and not dating, you’re probably not getting anyone pregnant. It would not be a problem if birth control was not a thing, just a few men needed to have many babies with all fertile women. But as we choose birth control and no stable relationships to raise babies we are rendering ourselves sterile as a collective. It is Over, this cannot be reversed without rejecting rights and that is not going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:59 PM
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Not enough young adult men joining the workforce. I hope these men don't cuck and return to work or join the army and fight in Ukraine, to contribute to this "society" after what they did to them. I really hope it all falls down and new healthy societies raise inside the dying empire, eating it from inside. No need for a "reset" or "collapse", it can be a swift transition.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:50 PM
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So there's no middle ground between these two extremes? It's black or white? Zero nuance? No, because middle ground means you are bad in either of those categories. For example, If I choose to be a soft man and I'm sometimes toxic in the right context then I'm seen as a toxic hypocritical man. If I'm a toxic man with a soft side it also undermines the very point of looking toxic and unpennetrable. Women choose men on the extremes, all the time, but many prefer toxic men short run and long run so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:40 PM
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Same, I would use them for a while to see how it goes for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:32 PM
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Hell is being jailed to an NPC life, under urges and desires you have no control over for people that don't care about you, while having the awareness of a protagonist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:31 PM
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Women can only get pregnant at most 5 days a month. Men can conceive a child at any point and at any time Agree, but I don't get what it has to do with this post. Men having a higher libido than women is a feature, not a bug, or society - which at the end of the day is built around our basic biology. Sure, for men that can get women and are actively dating and are neurotypical, libido makes sense. However, for men that are not getting any of that anyway it may be a better option to reduce or sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:30 PM
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Women usually are pickier and even if they have higher libido than men, they still get sex if they want with a subset of preselected men, so it is not an issue for women to have higher libido. Meanwhile most men with high libido will get nothing because women are not having sex with random men but with a subset of men they desire and know, while men are more open to have sex with diversity of women they cannot get access to. So libido suppression would be a relief to those men that are not getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:26 PM
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This is also true. Sex is risky for women, so obviously if they want to take that risk they will pick the best men they want to be worth it, while most men get nothing. That is why drugs to kill libido can be so life changing for those men, finally not enslaved by desires they will never fulfill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:23 PM
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I’ve never understood this article because my libido has been higher than every guy I dated. It does not matter. Women even having libido as high or higher than men still prefer a smaller subset of men they want. Most men have higher libido than average women and they get nothing, so they shall be able to shut it down as will until an opportunity comes. I see it like painkillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:21 PM
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Both men and women have requirements for who they do and don't want to have sex with. Agree, but what does this have anything to do with men choosing to suppress sexual urges for their own benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:20 PM
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Men just need to improve enough to attract their attractiveness match. I'm just arguing that men shall have the option to opt out this and not be tortured by urges beyond their will. A good percent of men will never be attractive to women even if they tried, and another bigger percent would but are not willing to but also don't want to suffer by high libido. It is like practical asexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:19 PM
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If it has to come down to this wouldn't it be better if we invest in Eugenics and try to create a world where everyone is conventionally attractive? I think we are already on this path by lab babies and sexual selection, but it will take generations to fulfil. I'm sure the issue is not libido existing but the fact it is so unequal and we cannot control it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:17 PM
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Exactly. Even if higher libido in men was not the issue they should be able to shut it down to be more free.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:14 PM
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Pro tip: if you want a window into female sexuality, pickup some literotica Sure, it works for guys that actually have the possibilities of being attractie. Most guys just want to get an orgasm, it helps to masturbate and go on with their lives, but it is reasonable to expect for them to not have those desires so often. Women don't mean much more for these men except sex and libido, but if you control the later they get more empowered and can actually focus in real things that matter instead of …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:12 PM
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Not my problem, but many guys I know have that issue. Our society is too sex centered and there is no going back. To be fair, it was societies on the past that obfuscated the importance of sex but it was always central.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:07 PM
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Good point, but that is because they have high libidos in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:16 PM
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Besides, the testosterone levels are decreasing so it seems that evolution is already kinda addressing the situation (not in a good way imo) Yeah, but it sucks because lower testosterone cause many other health issues in men. But I agree, this drug will probably never exist without reducing testosterone, which is sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:15 PM
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My complain is irrelevant. There are countless other reasons why people may want to control libido: Bipolar people may not get the urge to cheat as they can get horny. Married men may want to have lower libido to match their wives'. Promiscuous people may want to desire less risky sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:11 PM
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Why wouldn’t you attempt to fix the conditions that lead to this situation instead? You cannot fix genetics or autism :(
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:08 PM
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You don't see those as rewards? Drugs only give the last one, not the first 3. Sure, but the last one is huge for a lot of men. Not everyone is smart enough to get a good job and be successful, not everyone can perform at bed or attract partners, yet they still have a desire for that. Don't you see the unfairness and imbalance this implies? Don't you see the hell these men are living in? Sure, you may not empathize with those guys as you are probably not like them, but you don't have to. Just re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:07 PM
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Men don't pursue sex just because they're horny. They also pursue it because "getting lots of women" earns respect from their peers. The actual sex part is irrelevant. See also how many bitter "Red Pillers" don't actually enjoy sex or women, they just want to go on a power trip. It would help to not care about that shit too, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:04 PM
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But many guys will fail and over time the inner feeling of inadequacy eventually builds up Yeah, it sucks. It is perfectly fine and even logical to give on in this depraved and totally unfair, evil dating game. But I do think libido is an issue on top of that, and that is where I disagree with you, but we agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:03 PM
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It is OK to just have the option ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:01 PM
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I tried it but it is not worth it. Sure you become more lucid and have more energy, but nothing that significant to justify the sexual frustration it implies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:59 PM
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This Nihilist belief that nothing means anything is toxic. It's not even the true meaning of Nihilism. (I personally believe that the black pill is a psy-op) It is not just about nihilism. A religious person is not nihilistic but may want to reduce libido to stay virgin until marriage or while the wife is sick. It may also be useful for some people who are too promiscuous and risky sex is common. But I do agree that if men want to improve their relationship with women they shall leave internet, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:58 PM
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Masturbation helps for a few hours but after it the desire comes back, and also it stays there anyway. Masturbation and porn addicion also have their own issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:51 PM
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Masturbation helps for a few hours but after it the desire comes back, and also it stays there anyway. Masturbation and porn addicion also have their own issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:51 PM
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Why do you think this this is evil?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:49 PM
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There is no way to win here as it is genetic choice now. Giving up on this shit by reducing libido, at least for a while, shall be an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:47 PM
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Antidepressants for people who are not depressed can cause issues with serotonin.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:43 PM
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As a man with a libido lower than average, you can be frustrated anyway, that wont disapear because you dont feel the need to stick it in everyone with a pulse. Agreed, but that is more an issue of social pressure and expectancies. I don't think lower libido is the solution to everything, just the blind spot we have been avoiding. We have pills for all kind of pains, mental issues, anesthesia, etc. and yet libido is never seen as a root issue but it is for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:42 PM
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Seriously dude what are you on? It's well documented that women have a higher libido towards men that work out. Men have exploited that using steroids. Libido control would just another option.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:41 PM
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I get your point, which is valid, but I think we already altered human nature at this point too much anyway. There is no return.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:39 PM
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IDK, I don't think men see it as reward. It is just a source of sexual frustration for many men. Women are not magically attracted to most men for just having libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:37 PM
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You think? Regardless men shall be free from this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:34 PM
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Wtf. Women don’t deny men sex because they “want” them to suffer. Not about denying sex, that is not what I meant, but the fact women say men shall somehow eat this issue and just suck it up, while they seem to not like the idea of controlling libido using drugs. And most sharing of males throughout history was not the choice of women. Sure, but now it is, and they choose men by traits men cannot control or improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:33 PM
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You obviously have options. Most antidepressents reduce libido. Nothing is stopping you, so obviously this thread serves as a rhetorical device. I researched it but it seems antidepressants also increase serotonin and if you are not depressed it can be a problem. Higher serotonin can be dangerous. However, those side effects can be a window to find effective libido killers. There is hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:31 PM
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I agree older women still receive more attention than average men, that is a good thing. Maybe that is the purpose of higher libido in men? To still feel attracted to older women? I don't know, just pointing out women are pickier than ever, they are freer than ever, they don't need sex as much as men. It is fair for men to control that desire too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:29 PM
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It is good you found a place and purpose for your higher libido. Still, some men simply don't want to even try anymore, as they are autistic or don't have the looks women find attractive, but libido stays there. It makes them think about sex too often. They should be free to choose not being frustrated by that, just as people use painkillers to avoid pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:27 PM
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I never said that, most men do like and treat women well. Just pointing out that sexual desire women have is more complex than just "fucking a nice guy", which is not true. Many misogynists that get no sex are incels but they were hated for their looks and manners before they started hating women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:23 PM
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I think that is part of the effectivity of their treatment. They are only a problem for partnered people. Also there are men who are not mentally ill but have issues with high libido, so these pills may cause more issues as they are designed for depression, such as higher rates of serotonin.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:21 PM
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Just pointing out that we already control natural desires and sensations using drugs, and I don't get why libido shall be different. It is an issue for some men and just having the option to drop out that sexual intensity for a while can be good for them and for women around too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:20 PM
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I think most guys are too pushy not because of libido but because they feel inadequate and seek validation. I'm talking about men in developed countries btw Good point, maybe libido is a greater problem for men who are younger and later it is a more mental issue and self-limitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:17 PM
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I agree, but honestly why is that the case? If I want to live like a homeless person and still have no sexual desire that also shall be an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:17 PM
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Reducing libido could be an option but it feels more like a cop-out. If those men have nothing to anyway, and they are not getting any sex, it makes sense to cope with pills to reduce a pointless desire. Plus it would help if these guys spent even a week away from being chronically online. Agreed but I think most social spaces to meet people are dead. They were morbid and now they are basically dead. If you go to a club today you see often groups of friends and partnered people, not single women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:14 PM
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Just pointing out that plenty of women don't seem to have issues fucking misogynists and men being "nicer" to women will not give them more sex either, so I don't get why you even mention it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:12 PM
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Yeah, it is outdated. Some men may still want but men shall have the option to drop out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:10 PM
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I think sexual libido is more a hormonal problem than mental problem. You cannot make hunger go away by psychology. Sure you can make yourself feel less hungry somehow subjectively, but only to a point. I think it is the same for sexual desire... both hunger and strong sexual desire are hormonal signals, not mental issues or emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:05 PM
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Just pointing out it is better we all have more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:03 PM
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It’s bizarre to me that anyone thinks this is strictly some sort of modern phenomenon. The libido gap has ALWAYS caused men to not get as much sex as they wanted This argument is absurd. Women also had painful childbirth since ever, but that does not mean they have to have it today too. Sure, the gap always existed, but today women are independent so they can be picky and men are still having the same desires. Women also have less issues sharing the same guy, so the rest of guys end up lonely an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:01 PM
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Just pointing out that circumstances changed. Also Women also don't depend on men anymore and that is not going to change anytime soon, but men's libido stay the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:58 PM
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Sure, I just made a counter-example as the commenter said that men are not rational for having sexual desires but I pointed out that women are not rational sometimes for hormonal changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:55 PM
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Precisely my point. You shall favor drugs to reduce libido so men are less frustrated and love women more for what they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:53 PM
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So what's stopping these guys learning how to talk to real normal women in the real world through social skills? Bad Looks, lack of social spaces, genetics, people going out less, apps not favoring 90% of men, etc.... Most young men last year almost no sex. So this issue is endemic and precises of lazy suggestions to just "sucking it up" or "going out". What's stopping them from seeing women as enemies to begin with? You are imagining things. Those men or this post is not suggesting in any way w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:49 PM
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Neutering men isn't the answer. It's perfectly normal for most people to possess a sex drive. It's not normal to obsess to the point it's negatively affecting your life and the lives of those around you. Antibiotic drugs are also not normal or natural. That is a terrible argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:45 PM
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I disagree that libido is motivation to perform in society. It's the opposite. It distracts you from goals, schedules, and work. Well, I agree it is mostly a distraction for most men. Some men do transmute it into actually useful things. Even if men can control their libido by practice and skill, I think they shall have the option to use drugs to control it, just as we have painkillers. Sure you can train yourself to resist pain better, but it is also nice to have the option to just take a pill.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:43 PM
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You can get sex if you want, you just have to work for it. My point is that men shall not be enslaved to that urges. Telling them to just "suck it up" it is very insensible like saying depressed people to just be happy. We have pills for pain, for example, because we know pain is often unbearable. So can be sexual libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:41 PM
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I get your point, but we already have pills for feelings of loneliness, inadequacy and sadness, such as antidepressants. Libido here is the only urge that is not being treated. Also I think that if men were less desperate then they would have greater chances with women. In fact that is the game most men that are successful with women have, to chill around them and not insist or make them uncomfortable. They still have sexual urges but they are not desperate as they are on high demand. But most s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:38 PM
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I'd say men in the past died younger in wars usually, so they were not a problem as there was a surplus of women. Today, the surplus is men, and remember that women are only very desirable and fertile for a very small window, so it gets worse for most men. The past was harsh and not desirable for most things, but at least society in the past had places for single men, such as monasteries and intellectual affairs to contribute socially. Today, only status is really sexual at the end, and you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:36 PM
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No one is talking about self control. The issue is frustration of not getting your sexual needs satisfied. You can control that but still be frustrated. You mentioned food and fatness. Controlling cravings and not having them can be beneficial, some anti-depressants and foods do have that effect, so it is not a good analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:32 PM
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My thrive for women is probably the reason for why I have achieved many things in life. That is OK for you, and I understand some men do use that drive for achieving stuff in their lives, but sometimes it may be a distraction from goals if the sexual desire is overwhelming. Men getting the most non-attachment sex today are getting it because looks and not being so autistic, not because they are trying harder or doing better than other men getting less sex. Sometimes it is just genetics and not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:31 PM
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Well, no different than women getting crazy once a month. How could a woman president exist if the period disturbs so many emotional and mental things? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:28 PM
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Men can get sex with prostitution, but it is often not always available and legal, it is very expensive and not as frequent as they would want it. Men want something more than sex, but sexual desire can overwhelm wanting other things. Statistics say that most younger men are practically incels. It also get worse for married men when the wife lose sexual desire as both get older. Only a subset of men are getting all sex and satisfying all their sexual needs: Those in relationships with women with…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:26 PM
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You're admitting men lack agency and self control. After a hundred years of claiming that men are rational and logical, are you sure you want to go this route? I did not even mention self-control of agency. You can have self control and still have a strong sexual desire, but it is frustrating. Men are more logical in some tasks, women are more pragmatic and subjective on other categories, but we are all rational or irrational in one or another aspect. This is not the topic of this post. Testoste…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:24 PM
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So the real question is what side affects are men willing to accept to be free of their libido? It is a good question. I would think men would use it if it was not permanent... for example, taking a pill to not have strong sexual desire for a few days or a week. If it is a medication such as injection, I doubt men would want it because men want sex, they just don't want the frustration of not getting it. I do think many men would use it, just as women use the pill. In fact, some antidepressants …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:19 PM
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Sure, just pointing out that only men are required to fight. Also the values that are considered toxic, such as strength and bravery, are now being required for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:12 PM
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The main problem between men and women, I think, is the difference in libidio. Men will never be free and women will never be comfortable if men have the same libido we had when we lived in tribes and as savages. But also men don't want to lose the advantage of testosterone, such as muscle mass and strength, by lowering it. Women also don't want to have a higher libido, usually. So honestly I don't think this can be fixed anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:56 PM
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Yes, it is no secret women have a royalty view and entitlement for men's labor and favors.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:54 PM
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Exactly, we need to stop obsessing over "toxic" behavior and let men be men. In a society where men have honor, toxic misogynistic behavior is not tolerated by the men of the community. Look at Ukraine. Men are expected to be men, to not run away, and yet we are told all year around in other countries that men are toxic for being violent or assertive... yet that is what they want in Ukraine! Masculine men fighting and defending their country. You can see how the same states that pushed for softe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:50 PM
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It makes sense. Rage makes people watch content longer, and that is what the algorithms are made for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:46 PM
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I think the reason is that men are still expected to pay more taxes as any other while most government institutions don't do a shit for homeless and struggling men, earn more in a relationship but also support equality, struggle to get power and status but also somehow that is bad... also they are told those things are toxic, yet they are implicitly required to be someone for a man. So men have to choose being harmless non-toxic losers, or toxic asserting man that are ironically more attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:45 PM
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Unless they are putting words on their mouth, I don't see that as them trying to embarrass them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:34 PM
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Women do notice when they lose it through the years, though. They claim they don't need it and stay serious while applying 10 layers of makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:23 PM
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Yes, otherwise they would do like women and just work enough for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:22 PM
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men prioritize the feeling of sex over the risk of getting pregnant. I Women are in the position to ask the guy to use one, they have all the cards in the dating and sexual game. Unless they pick the same guy all women pick, of course, he may just walk away nude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:18 PM
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I guess social pressure, status desire, being treated as shit or sick for not having a partner, desire for company, etc. add up in that. Same reason why women often complain when they the husband works too much and not gives a lot of time, while women do enjoy the money that time implies. Sexual needs are weird. We call them needs, but we don't die if we not have them satisfied, but our life quality can decay.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:14 PM
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What do you think motivates women to go out clubbing, on dating apps, to get all their body hair lasered off? If you think libido isn’t motivating for women you haven’t met a teenage girl with a crush. In most cases, not sex. Women often go to clubs just to be with friends. Sex desire comes, but it is not as constant as in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:12 PM
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Sure, but some jobs are worse than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:10 PM
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Women do like men but often not on a sexual context. For men, except mom and family, if they like a woman it means almost always sexual desire too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:09 PM
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It’s not uncommon for women and girls to be recommended birth control for health problems with commons being problems with the menstrual cycle. Some else mentioned that it helps with heavy periods, I did not know that but now it makes more sense if that is the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:27 PM
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Ideally sterilization would be perfectly reversable, but they are not. It would be nice if it was the case, not selfish at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:26 PM
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Make no mistake, women who are older still receive plenty of attention, magnitudes more than average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:25 PM
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I had no idea birth control pills had that benefit on periods. I guess some side effects can be good after all. Thank you for that information.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:11 PM
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Oh I didn't know that about Birth Control used for that treatment. I just find it weird that parents are so eager to put teens on Birth Control. Just give them condoms... sure, some teens do have sex, but most of them wouldn't or they will just have it once or twice. Birth control is a drug as any other with real consequences and effects on the body.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 07:03 PM
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Well, if there is some frequency for sex she may start using birth control pills, but there is no point in using them if she is going to have sex just once every few weeks. I don't think the side effects outweighs the benefits. Maybe women do like the feeling without condom? I have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:44 PM
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Not only men, women too! I just think that talk therapy is slightly more useful for women than men, because women love treatment based on communication. However, it is not normal for women to be taking 3 different psychiatric medications, it is not healthy either for the liver.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:11 PM
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I mean, women do buy more luxury stuff. Diapers are a necessity and I'm sure they will probably be using the man's money most of the time anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:04 PM
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I think the idea is to create a pill that does not lower testosterone, but it is hard. Testosterone is very useful for so many things beside just libido and fertility. It would actually be better a pill to lower libido without lowering T, but that will never happen because society need desperate men spending stuff in trashy women in hopes of getting sex, also working extra to pay for stuff for their cheating gfs. I do wonder why so many women not having sex as often still take birth control pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 06:02 PM
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Most projects about fighting "toxic masculinity" are just redefining masculinity in terms of making it better for women. That is not a honest definition, nor those people care shit about men. Therapy is also not useful for men that are depressed for lack of purpose or lack of social integration, therapy is not for that and it does not help those men. Therapy is useful for men that are traumatized in war or stuff like that, not for creating the status and integration they need to not feel like sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:56 PM
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You guys really do cuck yourselves before women even have a chance to reject you because you lot overthink and stress out about everything. I think most men have been traumatized by rejection once in a while. At the end it is just a choice as any other to just not care so much about dating anymore, women do that all the time for stuff less bad than rejection. For example, the guy being too nice is enough for women to feel not attractive enough because they get "low quality men" or stuff like tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:48 PM
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And all of that would benefit you indirectly just as much as a woman. Agreed, it does. I was reading men don't really care if the woman works because they know they will never use the money they have, yet women do expect to use the money men earn. This is who women end up spending far more than men while men earn more on average. This is not anyone's fault, those are social expectancies that has always been there and I doubt will ever go away no matter how "equal" we pretend to be. Why? Because …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:44 PM
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Why do people make lines for days to get the latest iPhone if a cheap smart phone does 99% of the same? Men's desire, just as desire for a brand or status, is not bound to needs but to wants. I thought women enjoyed this and knew this? They don't want a man that needs them, they want a man that wants them but is able to live and do all on his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:38 PM
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Not necessary for men not wanting them, but it is surprising given all their privilege. Women have all cards on dating, laws were made for them and their children, men do free stuff and labor for them, women are put first and cared for my nonprofits and government. All legal punishment for same crimes is worse on men. Imagine living in tutorial mode and still finding a way to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:37 PM
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People usually get passionate about stuff they don't really need. For example, the latest IPhone or the best restaurant. They can get a cheaper phone and eat at McDonalds a reasonable good menu. Honestly I don't think men need women as a class, just as women don't need men as a class, but rather the libido and desire for each other is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:35 PM
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Agreed, and I appreciate people overcoming themselves and contributing even being intellectually challenged. But at the end, both men in those jobs and men in "higher" jobs still want the same thing. First, to survive, which is also why women work. Second, to get status and surplus, which is often something women don't care so much about. Third, to take care of their families if they have one. For men the last is a must, while most women want a man that earns enough for them to not need to work …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:33 PM
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It makes sense, men self-medicate more and women just medicate through the doctor. Just pointing out it is interesting how women find a way to lose even playing life and dating in tutorial mode. For women who do want a family, How stupid or arrogant they have to be to basically spend the best years of their lives in pointless stuff instead getting the man for the family you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:29 PM
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Army is right, it is basically a parallel job market with all kind of tasks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:27 PM
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Don't be fat, don't be conventionally ugly, and don't be 5'4''. I disagree that is the case for most women, but maybe it is for you, which is reasonable. Women have a whole list of requirements like income, social life, exes, how you express, etc. It basically discard 80% of POCs (who are usually shorter and poorer) and almost all autistic men. Nothing wrong with that, but it is not true most women's requirements are reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:27 PM
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If you have average IQ, half people are dumber than you and half are smarter. That is not reason to be proud, and most intelligence is thanks to raising with good nutrition and genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:24 PM
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You don't need to be so smart to be software developer, but manual jobs often require even less brain power.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:15 PM
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Obviously I'm not saying women are not important, without women we would not be here. Just saying that the start of dating, mating, raising children starts with men's libido. Women rarely go out to find a man, except when it is too late or they have baby fever. Even that, they are very picky and have no issue just dying alone anyway. Men hornineess, however, is what motivates men to sacrifice so much for women and their children. Women also have their libido, which is not something sexual necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 05:13 PM
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Fair enough, although the news of women having sex with multiple coworkers seem to suggest than uglier women do use sex to get attention. Beautiful women don't need to do that. Sex is risky for women so they usually prefer sex with one man or a few, and if they have anonymous sex the guy has to be very handsome to compensate the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:39 PM
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Men and women work to survive, but the extra surplus of effort is made by men to get a little more money than they need. It is like profits in companies. They may make money and keep themselves up, but only thing that make them valuable is the profit on top of expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:38 PM
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So you're saying that women wanting male attention is narcissistic, but men wanting female attention for status and high-fives from his friends is "real love"? I'd say women attention is narcissistic because they don't care about the man, while male libido is narcissistic because they don't care as much about the woman. Female attention to men is valued more not as a resource but as a trait of the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:36 PM
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But not as often as men want sex :( the libido inequality is sad
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:33 PM
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COVID and internet basically destroyed real social spaces. When I go out I just see people in their own groups and people they already know, no people meeting new people. The changes of the last 10 years have basically decimated people meeting new people for friends and mating. Apps also don't help, people don't have the constraints and observations of real life so only a minority wins in apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:32 PM
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Yes, it is sad, but yes, it is male horniness and libido that keeps civilization running and men making a profit instead just enough for themselves and going to sleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:30 PM
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Are you a tomboy? Lesbian? Then yes, you do need a job :(
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:29 PM
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I guess that when attention is abundant we don't value it as much, same as sex. Average Married men often complain they don't get enough sex and yet at the long run they get far more sex than 90% of single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:15 PM
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Don't worry, you have mine :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:14 PM
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Most of these jobs give additional payment under the table, though. Companies and contractors do that as they don't have to report it and workers either. It is a win-win, only government loses. Not to mention that those jobs are always struggling to attract workers anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:13 PM
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Not everyone is as smart for those jobs. Dumb Women can just not work and make the husband pay. Some men do like manual jobs, but nasty jobs are just a subset of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:09 PM
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I think you would then agree with my point. If women want male attention, they can get it easily, but men cannot get women's attention for them as individuals as easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 03:00 PM
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Don't they? Construction work pays almost as much as my career, software development. I'd say they do pay well, but since they are seasonal jobs and they vary a lot by time, often the income is not stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:55 PM
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If you are not getting any attention from women, and you want it, you need to go where the women are and talk to them. They don't bite. Please don't get personal. I have my life struggles but they go beyond women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:54 PM
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Men need attention from women and they'll go to stupid and dangerous lengths to get it. It seems attention is a byproduct of doing that to get sex, though. I wonder, maybe for women it is the opposite? Sex is just a byproduct of the attention they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:50 PM
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will do a lot to get sex (men)/attention (women). Interesting view. Let me extend your theory just for the sake of speculation: Short Term goal for men: Sex Long term goal for men: Status Short term goal for women: Attention Long term goal for women: ????
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:50 PM
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Men don't do shitty jobs for love. They do them for money. They want money to get sex, but mainly status to get sex. If they have a family, they also do it for them. But no, most men don't do those kinds of jobs and take those risks just for the sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:47 PM
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Unfortunately there is usually a long line of pinch hitters just waiting for cracks in the marriage. Fair point, you are right on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:30 PM
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Women are just lying more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:29 PM
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The idea that men who sleep around are more desirable is slowly starting to die I would say it is more prominent now, as women want better and better men, who also have so many options that they treat them as shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:25 PM
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Well, they expect the guy to be the source of their narcissistic supply and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:24 PM
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I'd be more concerned if a guy had no real friendships. Many men move or works hours that don't allow them to keep friendships, add to that that often friends marry or move on, so they lose anything in common with them. Friendship is also overrated. Honestly I don't need friends except, ironically, to not look lonely or pathetic. It is only looks. Everything else seems to be a liability in friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:22 PM
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Hard to understand the importance of money when all your life men are buying you free stuff. No wonder fathers in ancient societies wanted to get rid of the daughter ASAP. She costs lots money, and she is more valuable as a wife. Today obviously that changed and no one is really valuable anymore in the same context. Now the actual value is skills, men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:21 PM
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Since my husband had a vasectomy our sex life had improved so much I'd like a vasectomy but only after having children. She may not want children, but what if she dies and I marry again and I do want children?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:11 PM
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No, I don't want those symptoms. If women don't want this either, just ask your partner to use a condom. Last time I checked no one is forcing women to take pills and many of them are not having sex for weeks and yet they take these pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 02:10 PM
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It’s not a legal obstacle. It’s there so a man who thinks the baby is his can find out Sure, but by making it harder and making a scandal out of it puts the burden on the innocent cucked man. I honestly did not get your second point. However, if it is about I believe it is then I guess the test shall be if the father is in the life of the kid. The mother can sue if he did not decide to financially abort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:40 PM
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Sure, then of course she should be able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:39 PM
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He can sue for paternity. There are legal avenues to handle this. Again, this is basically putting legal obstacles to know the truth that at the long run may be bad for the baby for tissue compatibility, and bad for the man for being financially responsible for a baby that is not his, punishing men for being trustful while subsidizing adultery and cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:16 PM
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You mean giving it for adoption? She already can.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:11 PM
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I mean, it is kind of hypocritical the same arguments from pro-lifers are used to deny the father's rights. Just pointing it out. Conservatives also have the most children, so I don't think it is incels who are trying to ban abortion. Kinda of a childish label too for people you don't agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 09:07 PM
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If you don't want to get a women pregnant use condoms or get a vasectomy. Good argument to ban abortion. I mean, if women don't want to get pregnant, just not open legs, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 07:21 PM
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If a man wants to guarantee he will not be a latent, then it is his responsibility to make sure his sperm does not end up somewhere it could mix with an egg to conceive. That is also a good point to ban abortion. If a woman don't want to be pregnant, she shall avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 07:20 PM
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Exactly. I do agree that the father, if recognized, shall pay as much as possible but if that is not enough then the state should help. After all, at the long run it seems we need more people being born so it can be seen as a social investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 06:35 PM
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I think at that age it depends a lot on the health of the woman too, such as health habits, food, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:44 PM
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using the term " boys will be boys" to justify bad behavior. No one does that, in fact at the end men get the must burden and less reward for responsibility. Men are punished harder for the same crimes women do. They have to work harder jobs and criticized for eaning more for that risk. Men are also forced to do more stuff in the context of parenthood and child support, while women have more options of birth control, abortion and adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:37 PM
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Sure, and science helps women to conceive more, but still some couples may consider that a concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:02 PM
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Suppose you wait 4 years for children, it is likely we will have issues conceiving. Realistically couples wait more for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:46 PM
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Women have been doing all that. Working, feeding themselves, paying taxes, housing ourselves. Sure, but only in the bubble of civilization, organization and structure that men made possible. Same for women rights. They are only a thing because men enforce them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:41 PM
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Basically fucking royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:12 PM
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Answer that. Nursing, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:47 PM
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What's politics. Are women saying those industries should be dominated by women? They don't say anything about colleges and industries already dominated by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:37 PM
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Sadly, men can't. Women are net tax consumers and men are net tax contributors in all ages and countries. We cannot get rid of female abuse, which is just the fact they are married to the state but the main contributors (men) get no sex back. Hopefully men are stopping working and slowly women are having to do it all: pregnancy, work, feed themselves, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:13 PM
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This is also not true. Women often claim abortion for reasons of not wanting children, father not present, or not being economically able to raise a kid. Sure, some of them may get an abortion to avoid pregnancy, but not all women and your assumption is very paternalistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 02:12 PM
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Sure. Abortion isn't up for debate. Period. Her body. BUT, this is still a place for sane debate. The legal and social state of unintended fatherhood is garbage. Well, it is at debate if her choice can affect men for 18 years. So yes, it is my issue too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:54 PM
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So why should the father's rights be sacrificed more than mom's?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:17 PM
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Paternity tests are a privacy matter as far as I’m concerned. If you’re actually concerned, get a test yourself, it’s $60 There is a catch... The father must sign being a father before being able to use the test on his baby. It is a catch-22.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 09:27 PM
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??? No woman must have babies either. Unless she is in a place that abortion is banned, and even there it is likely sterilization and birth control are a thing. We know that after a war more males are born because more men died, and after a chemical spill more women are born because that is the safest bet to keep the species running. Nature is wise. It does not put all risk on one gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 09:26 PM
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It is unfair to the man since he has no say in the matter when a child is going to be born. But such laws are to benefit the child. So men's rights have to be sacrificed for a child he did not ask for? Libertarians say taxpayers shall not pay for the baby as they did not ask for, and yet all burden is put on one individual that did not want it. Seems more fair to put the burden on the collective than the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:48 PM
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Western men should simply not be so stupid as to assume every woman from the East will be a delicate submissive flower who never argues and always serves. Some might be, but don't be a moron. Women in the US aren't a different species from women elsewhere. I'd say women of the East are submissive on different aspects to women of the West, but they are not more submissive overall. For example, in the East often women have a lot of power in the house, how people dress, what they eat, etc. In the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:46 PM
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Did he not have a choice to not conceive said child? Oh, so conception is valid for taking rights away from the man, but not valid for women deciding to kill it and have no baby? It makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:45 PM
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But it's not women's body issue if the father wants or not to be a parent in the same window of time women can decide such thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:43 PM
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There are risks with sex and each gender has some different risks. It’s never going to be 100% the same because biologically it isn’t. Agreed, and laws shall be put to consider that specific difference, but parenthood rights and choice has nothing to do with those risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:37 PM
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I acknowledge that women have the additional, heavy burden of carrying and birthing the child. But she gets two chances to avoid parenthood whereas men only get one. Why is this so hard to understand for some people?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:35 PM
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That is sad, but that is the sacrifice women make in life, just as men have to do riskier jobs and die for their families and countries. Women don't have to take that risk, men either, but someone has to do it and that is their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:34 PM
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It was a mistake to close insanity houses, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:32 PM
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What a time to be alive and what a luck to finally see my ideas about gender, which are the best and most correct ever. \s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:31 PM
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Sorry, this gender crap and feminism is non existing or even dying out in places such as Asia and Latin America. It was a meme, and it is a self-destructive death cult meme because people who practice these things are not having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:30 PM
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It seems you are suggesting the man's right shall be sacrificed to for the child's right, am I right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:25 PM
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It is convenient men choice is so limited in this aspect, while they have half the responsibilities, if not more on financial aspects.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:24 PM
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Men will never have the same amount of choice in this matter because men’s bodies will never be potentially impacted by a pregnancy, birth or abortion But that is a sacrifice women decide to go through voluntarily, so should men's be dads voluntarily.... which confirms the title of this post. Beside, I'm sure men can be "fined" for renouncing parenthood to pay as compensation for pregnancy regardless of they deciding to be fathers or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:21 PM
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What people oppose is comparing the right to bodily autonomy to paying child support when consensual sex is involved. Paper abortion does not violate body autonomy, in fact it is the only way to give men more rights and say on pregnancy without forcing the woman to anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:17 PM
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Having an abortion reflects an exercise of responsibility, rather than avoiding it. Sure, but you can generalize that for men choosing not to be fathers of children they cannot care about, for example. Isn't it a little convenient?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:13 PM
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You do have a fair point. I mean, if a man claims a woman rejected him after inviting her to an expensive resturant, it is also fair to believe the man is saying the truth because how common that is. Still it is a concern when authorities and communities always assume this and may end up destroying a few lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:08 PM
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The financial abortion issue is not about women avoiding responsibility. It’s about a child being able to be raised with two incomes. So women shall be forced to work for an income too in this arrangement, to be able to have custody? It makes sense men are basically forced to work for child support, isn't it? A baby can also be healthy with one parent income, and grow bad in a house with multiple incomes where parents are never there. Also consider siblings, region being raised, etc. The arity o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 08:00 PM
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Condoms and vasectomy exist too and no one is opposing them. Men have a choice. All birth control can fail. Sure, just pointing out that women can choose to be or not be parent at the first months of pregnancy, but men can't. It is a legal imbalance. Birth control is an option to men, but so is for women, and yet you can use that against abortion being legal too. It is a little hypocritical that same pro-life argument is only selectively used against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:55 PM
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To be fair, is more about looks than anything. It is easy for men to just shut down if the woman starts complaining and moaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:34 PM
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UK was one of the first countries to industrialize, that is why they are ugly by bad nutrition and chemicals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:33 PM
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Usually foreign women find fat men attractive. I don't know why, I guess fatness means wealth? No idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:28 PM
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The problem is not that Western women expect more, but on top of that don't really contribute much, but expect you to stick to traditional roles as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:27 PM
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If Western women don't like this, they can go to a foreign country and get a man there too. They are open to the same options men have. You realise that even if you find your dream woman who is willing to be submissive and a trad wife… she will expect a traditional husband. Most men don't have problem with that. Men who marry in the West are still required to follow their traditional roles, on top of respecting the non traditional wife. It is a lose-lose in that case, but if she is traditional t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:26 PM
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I personally don’t see a positive future if we become more tribal and rigid and “go back” to supposedly “better times”. Agreed, romantizing the past is not positive. However, I fear that maybe our lifestyle is a tradeoff, and tribalism may be more stable at the long run, and they may win in the West just by inertia. I think men blaming women and women blaming men are just desperate people trying to blame someone for their own dramatic changes caused by internationalization of information, cultur…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:32 PM
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Right, so ugly women wait around 2-3 times a year just to fuck Chad? LOL No, that is the worst case scenario. Usually it is more frequent. You guys are so incel, it's not even funny. I get hit up way more than I should because these guys can't even be bothered - unless I'm Chad, maybe I'm Chad now. Please don't use personal insults, that is against the rules. No one is getting personal against you in this threat, so there is not need to get personal against anyone else. If you have issues and fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 09:35 PM
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Women are attracted to characteristics men cannot change, such as height or face structure. You can improve looks and such, but if you don't get her tier, it is over. Women often acquire the preferences of other women so it all gets worse. Eventually they may settle for the guys they ignored but the resentment will be there... she will resent the guy as representation of all men, the guy will resent her for not picking him earlier and riding dicks. People don't realize this dating market is NOT …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 07:39 PM
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To be fair you your point, a lot of social changes came these last decades. Men are also not eager to commit and pay for women that choose motherhood. Women and men are adapting to a totally different dynamic caused by changes in tech and inter-cultural context. People suggesting women to wait and wait may just assume a lot of things that we have not realized may not be fruitful or positive for people who want families. My concern is that if we do wrong and keep encouraging stuff that does not w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 07:03 PM
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And who is encouraging women to wait? No one. They are told they must study, find a job, save money, etc. and THEN have babies. Of course, the implication is that babies are a liability, but any parent know that often children make them work harder or more efficiently and they find forces and purpose to work. So yes, they are saying women they failed for having children younger, which does not have to be true. Especially now that we have classes online and many jobs are remote, it is the perfect…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 06:05 PM
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Every woman I've ever met has wanted good sex. Precisely, players often are good at sex but suck at relationships and don't really have incentive to improve that. Still women often choose situationships, so those players still get them a few times a year, and if they have multiple women in that wheel, then they get sex with some frequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:57 PM
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i believe the more degenereate a country the better I disagree, the more degenerate the country is, the more picky women are for obvious reasons. "If I'm gonna have the risk of having sex, I'm gonna have it with the best looking guy I can that other women say is safe and nice blah blah blah"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:38 PM
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It is not common, but men who do it do that with a significant number of women, so the whole market is skewed to them. It also seem that women market those men to other women, indirectly by pre-selection and directly by posting they "broke up" and other women just get interested in the guy that is supposedly now free.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:36 PM
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This is true, but many of them don't really care about keeping them for long anyway. Also women change their minds a lot on relationship, they may hate you and not have sex with you for a few months and then say "hi" so you invite them over. Supposing that is a cycle of 3-6 months, you can have multiple women like that and still win.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:35 PM
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Sorry, I not mean you specifically, but many here are parroting the same lies that fertility does not decrease much or that it is not as risky. It is, very risky, and it is unfair for women who do want a family to be lied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:32 PM
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Do you have a source that the uterus “gets used to babies” Sure, after you get your source on this: Birth defects are still very rare in your 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:31 PM
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It's up to them to decide what their best option is and whether or not they want to take on those risks, not you. Agreed, it is their decision, but stop lying about fertility and saying it does not affect much to wait... it does, a lot. Well, not surprised people who hate children do this to women who want children, lying on their faces, but it is playing dirty and very dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:29 PM
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Trouble is, people don't feel it like we do, because most of them get some kind of connection and intimacy in their lives, even if it's a string of broken relationships, or sporadic hookups, or whatever. Getting nothing, forever? That's a whole different story. Yes, it is true. Even if they don't love the person they are with, at least they know they can get someone somehow, as they did in the past. Well, not all of them, but most do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 05:27 PM
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I realized freedom is a lie. We are all enslaved to these impulses, expectancies, feelings and hopes in a long term torture. At least hell is hopeless, so you give up, but in between? You cannot give up but also you cannot move on really.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:57 PM
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A man "just happens" to be at the same bar/coffee shop/etc that the women in question is at. The reality is that the man has probably gone through a lot of research and trial and error in order to figure out where the good places to meet available women are. That is why women are so mystic about love, horoscope, etc. Of course it is like magick for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:30 PM
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The sad thing is that the women we love in our families LIE to our faces INSIST that looks don't matter or not matter so much, when in fact they are PARAMOUNT for attraction and always were. It is so evil, it is like they hate their sons or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:24 PM
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You were incapable of reading between the lines as many dudes in the manopshere. You mean reading between the lines of the gaslighting made by close female family members like our moms, when we were basically children, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:23 PM
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Most people are like that, they only see people in their closeness. Now imagine most guys have no friends or close relationships and no way to start them in this environment after college or school... no way because if they go out everyone is in their friend groups. No entry point for their age brackets. It is hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:20 PM
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But when you get to your 30s (or even older), like some of us have, without any experience in that area... well, that starts to look distinctly like it'll never happen. I'm in that situation. I also suspect some woman with way more experience will take advantage of me, so I have even fewer reasons to have a relationship. If I had ZERO possibilities it would be easier and I would move on, but what if...? So that becomes hell, that mid-point. If only that was a way to get rid of that shit desire f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:17 PM
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I'd say it is harder for non-social and autistic people like me. It is way harder because there is a lot to fix before even being able to date. If in a few years I get nothing, I will give up for good and stop giving a damn about this shit forever. I hope not, but better than stay hopeful being hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:03 PM
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Thank you! I used prozac for a while, but I stopped because it did not work much anymore. I also used lithium as supplement for a while but it made me a little suicidal so I stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:49 PM
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I've feel like that, but feeling it without judgment has helped me overcome most of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:16 PM
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Which antidepressants you use? I suspect I will end up using them anyway. I avoided drugs, but what is the alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:02 PM
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Maybe a woman isn’t financially secure until she’s 40 - should she be not allowed to get pregnant because of risks of defects? Well, if she pays for the expensive treatment to get pregnant, that is up to her. Sadly many want government to pay for their delusions having less than 5% chance of viable healthy pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:00 PM
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I believe anti-child and spiteful women are trying to convince younger women to get into their misery too. Science says how risky first time pregnancies are at such high age and yet they don't care. Revenge fantasy from childfree evil women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:59 PM
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Is there a test for autism?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:58 PM
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Birth defects are still very rare in your 30s, and women have always been having kids in their 30s. Birth defects may be rare but autism is still very common. Women in the past who had babies at that age also had them at their 20s. While they are pregnant they are not losing eggs and the uterus get used to babies. First time at your 30s? Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:57 PM
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Pregnancy over 30s is risky and not the best option for most women. Encouraging women who want children to wait until their 30s and 40s is evil as they find themselves often infertile or too weak to have children. More autism, miscarriages, complications, etc. In fact it seems this is a revenge fantasy perpetrated by women who never wanted children on the first place. Pure evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:56 PM
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Yes, but only women who had children younger are able to have healthy children being older. When women are pregnant the eggs don't die, the uterus gets used to babies, etc. Younger women who never had children and want them in their 40s will find themselves paying thousands in fertility treatments at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:53 PM
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My wallet, my choice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:52 PM
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If you support autism, you indeed shall encourage women to have children at 30s or 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:51 PM
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It pays well to deal with jobs that are nasty, but that is not being smart. It is just doing what others don't want to do to get more. It is a tradeoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:48 PM
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and 35 year old men don't have emotional trauma? Even if they do they usually don't burden women for that if they want to even have a chance in a relationship. Meanwhile, women have more flexibility to spread their shit on their men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:32 PM
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Women date literal criminals with no problem. How they hate women or are good or bad affects almost nothing sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:28 PM
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In a world where male aggression, physical courage and bodily strength offer fewer advantages, and where women are matching and even outperforming men academically and economically Those last spreadsheet jobs are the ones being automated the fastest, ironically by male programmers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:27 PM
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Not worse than the obsession women have with calling any man who disagree with them "ïncel"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:26 PM
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Men have to face their fears. That's the only way through. Go out not overly excited and eager. Be honest. Know what you want. Be trustworthy. What woman won't want a guy like that? Women's attraction put men on tiers. It does not matter how confident or nice he is if he does not pass the tiers... they are usually unchangable stuff such as looks or height or skin color.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:25 PM
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Nonsense. Women having more sex will just fuck the same guys more, not the average guys unless they want money or something, as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:24 PM
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It is mostly luck. Almost all women that I've meet is because luck. I cannot go out alone and talk to anyone without being a creep, so women I meet are those who study or work with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:23 PM
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I think it is enough to just have automatic paternity tests in the hospital, TBQH. That enough freaks out a lot of women... I wonder why?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:20 PM
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As of right now according to this sub the competition for a thin young woman is fierce. If you double the amount of women who meet that criteria isn’t that good? This is a good point, I don't get why people get mad at this drug and claim it would not work. Also people in the past were thinner and dated better, and being thin may be a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 02:29 PM
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