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Mgtow 2 on the other hand… was solid, and very minimal in the level of toxicity Yeah, but there were starting to be posts that were skirting MGTOW1 territory. But I think they just got banned because of MGTOW hysteria, and not actual facts.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 06:44 PM
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the new incel subreddit Yeah, it was def a incel sub! Just skewed toward older incels. I'm happy to so it go to be honest.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 06:43 PM
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I left due to lack of proper leadership at the time. Yeah, MGTOW2 had the right intentions. And had some decent posts. But lately, some posts definitely gave off MGTOW sub vibes. I told them they should work on stopping. Oh well, now they know! haha Though I do say the reddit hive mind just wants all men-positive sites banned. MGTOW deserved to be banned, MGTOW2 tho? Not so much. Probably should have had a temp ban to serve as a warning.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 06:43 PM
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This was basically the entire reason for MGTOW2 Yep. Tho lately, they were starting to let some bad posts start to make it through.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 06:40 PM
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It was likely seen as a ban evasion sub, Good point! Even tho it was created long before the ban.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 06:39 PM
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I seriously doubt that the mods of /mgtow2 didn’t follow the rules. /mgtow2 was as vanilla and harmless as it gets. Yep, in fact, a lot of MGTOW posters openly mocked MGTOW2 for being too nice. The fact that MGTOW2 got banned as well, proves that it was just reddit-hive mind ruling the way, and not actual research into the subs.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 06:39 PM
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It's probably because of all the haters we had. Well your posters calling women "roast beef flaps" didn't really help your cause. Your sub really did have a LOT of hate in it, and you mods were very quick to ban anyone who had even a slightly different opinion. I don't think MGTOW2 should have been banned, but I do think your sub, MGTOW, deserved to be banned.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 06:36 PM
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If I'm not mistaken MGTOW2 also had different mods, but still got banned at the same time Not only that, but most of the posters in MGTOW2 were there because they said MGTOW was so toxic. Now having said that, MGTOW2 was starting to let some bad posts thru lately. I tried to talk sense to them, and let them know that the anti-women rhetoric was a bad path, but since I have a girlfriend, I got downvoted pretty bad. lol So on one hand, I def think it was reddit's "all men are bad" ideology that go…
/r/MensRights13/08/21 06:30 PM
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I'm here because my dad's nagging about getting married recently and my not being interested in relationships at all has been really getting to me at an emotional level. So you are 27 years old. Which is totally an adult in any country. And you are still fretting about what your dad is doing and saying? Dude, take care of your own life. You can love your dad, but he's actions don't have any consequenses with your life. Be your own man. Let him go his way. You go you own way. You can love him. Ma…
/r/MGTOW227/05/21 10:03 PM
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In fact, I have never been in a relationship with a woman nor a man, and I am not interested at all in them So if you've never been in a relationship with a woman, and have no interest, then I'm curious why you are here? I mean, it seems like you would just be living live as you do now, with no changes. How old are you?
/r/MGTOW227/05/21 09:48 PM
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but it's hard to say "No" for me at times because I am afraid of disappointing people close to me or just being wrong in my decision(s). And that's where you need to grow up, stop worrying about shit like that and take control of your own life. And stop obsessing about women so much. I still date girls, and have a lot of MGTOW mindets. Being independent doesn't mean you have to stop dating. I mean, you can if you want, but it's not something I do. I love women and I like dating. I just don't pla…
/r/MGTOW227/05/21 09:30 PM
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hahahahah Um, pretty much exactly what happened to my life. No regrets, but it was stressful as fuck when it came to worrying about losing a job, or something. Cuz I was all like, how can I raise my kid if I lose this fucking job?! But it worked out, my kid's grown and we're still very close. So no regrets. If I were to do it again, I'd make sure I have enough that I don't have to work. Balancing work life and single fatherhood was easily the most stressful times in my life.
/r/MGTOW223/05/21 09:58 PM
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I'm all for adopting if you have the lifestyle and the money to do it. I honestly think raising kids in a two-parent household is ideal (or if you are sharing with your parents or something). It's just easier to share the burden. I was a single dad. I know how tough and stressful it is. But if I suddenly became really well off and/or could make a great living from home, I'd totally adopt. But that won't be happening anytime soon, and i don't plan on marriage ever again, so more kids probably isn…
/r/MGTOW223/05/21 09:55 PM
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they both just sat there & laughed while I drowned myself in pot. That's your first mistake. Stop with the drugs, take care of your shit, focus on you, then you'll be golden.
/r/MGTOW223/05/21 09:52 PM
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My attitude is a firm support of free speech Free speech means you can't be jailed for speaking what's on your mind. I'm not saying you should be jailed, I am saying that r/mgtow is a better fit for your attitude. And it is. pro-censorship totalitarians like yourself and leave the normal people here in peace. LMAO really?! lololol dude, how old are you? Serious question.
/r/MGTOW222/05/21 11:09 PM
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Because this sub was created to NOT be like r/mgtow. And your attitude is the attitude of that sub, and not this one.
/r/MGTOW222/05/21 03:33 PM
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Maybe you shouldn't use words like "beta" to make your point tho.
/r/MGTOW222/05/21 02:25 AM
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I'm no saying it's ok. I'm not saying it's fair.
/r/MGTOW222/05/21 02:24 AM
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Right?! Best selfie I have ever taken too!
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 06:59 PM
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So if you like hating on women, why don't you go to r/mgtow. The freakin LOVE that and they hate us. Don't you think your posts would be better received there?
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 05:18 PM
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This is the way, brother.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 02:36 PM
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That's the life, brother! I didn't enjoy the movie, but I enjoy the scene you are creating.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 02:33 PM
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You can try a reverse google search. They may be tough to find tho. They were used for gothic paperback novels of the 70's. I can find the books of a lot of my paintings. Others were just labeled "artwork for untitled paperback" and for those two, I couldn't find the names of the novels they were used on.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 02:32 PM
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art from gothic romance novels of the same period Thanks! There are a couple of Gothic Romance art paintings in my samples, and I have about 15 more. They are one of my faves. Great great art from 70's gothics. But good point on the room, I probably don't have the room either. I gotta make sure I don't start the lifestyle of a hoarder! lol
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 02:29 PM
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My issue is that as a norm my preferences make me out to be the bad guy. Only if you worry about things like that. Come on man, not getting married doesn't make you a bad guy. lol And I don't know if you aware but being that in the bad guy in a world were everything is interconnected can ruin your future. I don't even outwardly express myself but it eventually comes up. Again, choosing not to marry doesn't make you a bad guy. Like most people don't even know or care. How would they even know?! I…
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 02:46 AM
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Good question. I'm not sure of their value. Probably not much. I mean, I think the most I ever spent on one was around $450. And this was a few years ago. I could see maybe the Goosebumps book original artwork increasing in value as the children who read them grow up, get the warm fuzzies of nostalgia and have some cash on hand. Also, by the mere fact that they are traditional artworks could maybe increase their worth, since every thing is mostly digital these days. Either way, I think even IF t…
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 02:42 AM
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Good on ya, mate. It's all about you. It's your living space, so decorate it with the stuff you want to. And even the strangest 50's pulp cover art poster or whatever can look really nice if it's professionally framed and matted. I actually collect old pulp magazines, so I totally get what you're saying. And if you don't wanna go totally zany in your house for whatever reasons, then just do a couple or three for a hallway. I think a series of pulp covers in matching frames and mattes, lining a h…
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 01:40 AM
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Thank you, brother. Actually all of them are original, which is what makes them really special to me.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 12:47 AM
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Well said, and I totally agree with you.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 11:41 PM
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Well said! The reality is that we are probably better termed as old school happy "lifelong bachelors," but most people associate that term with a dating show now. Lifelong bachelors were really the original MGTOW bunch. Just now we have a new label. The problem is that people are tarnishing the new label. Not much we can do about it. And I guess in the grand scheme of things, whatever label it is, it doesn't really change how I live my life.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 11:30 PM
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Yeah, it's a fun thing. And it's a little offbeat, so makes it more fun. Most of them are hanging up in the room that I right in, so it's good inspo for getting in the writing spirit. Greatest thing about us being MGTOW is no one can tell us what to to, so we can collect or do whatever nerdy shit we want to! :)
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 11:28 PM
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Colorado
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 10:30 PM
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If you don't wanna date, then don't. The key is to make sure you don't get financially/legally trapped by anyone. You can still date and be MGTOW too. Not dating is just as good of a choice as well. It's all about going your own way, brother. And being free from the need to be validated by anyone.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 10:08 PM
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The r/mgtow sub brought this on themselves by being so hateful and obsessed about women. They are bunch of incels using terms like "simps," and "beef flaps." They are cringy as fuck. They are actually mostly incels who can't get laid, and decide that they are magically going to just go MGTOW as if it's their choice all of a sudden.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 10:05 PM
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No one is telling you how to date. If you don't wanna date single moms, cool, go for it. If you wanna go monk mode, cool, go for it. But you seem pretty upset about women and their preferences. Why so much focus on what women want or what kind of what you think women should be like? Who cares? If you find a girl that fits your standards, yay. If not, then don't date. Women don't owe you shit, dude. Be as "old fashioned" as you want, that's on you. No one has to respect it though. Times change, f…
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 09:58 PM
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That's fine. I stand by everything I said though. And there's a reason your OG post has zero votes. LOL
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 09:51 PM
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If you have a hang up over this, you’re projecting your own issues dude. I don't have a hang up, but you are using silly words like "Simps" and "womanist" and picking a women-centric dating site. If it was just about money, why didn't you have some non-women owned companies listed in your stock strategy tip list? Seems to me you picked Bumble because it's a dating site catering women.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 09:40 PM
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Sure, but it's satire about dating. This is a MGTOW sub.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 09:37 PM
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Since I don’t believe in getting married, and I only date casually, I’ve been able to have the extra income to spend on pointless shit that I think is cool. Plus I get to design my house the way I want. So I collect really bad art! I collect the original artwork that was used for book covers in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. Most are acrylic paintings on masonboard, some are watercolor. Back in the day, an artist would create a painting, and the publisher would pay to have it scanned and sent to the p…
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 09:29 PM
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Best wishes, brother. Just focus on yourself and your happiness and everything will work out just fine.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 08:23 PM
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This sub is in unanimous agreement that as men, we should never EVER have to pay on a date, and we should let the woman take on that role. Not sure I agree with this. I mean, I think it's up to the individual situation. Sometimes I am totally fine paying for dinner. Lots of things play into it: money situation, personality, who's idea it is, etc.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 08:22 PM
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In my early 20's times were a bit different but now with this MeToo movement so strong, to protect my wealth and my future I have toyed with the idea of the sexual consent form. Good luck with that. I still fuck plenty of women, and I don't worry about stuff like this. Not every woman is out to get you. If you are that worried about it, I suggest you stop with the one-night stands and only sleep with people after you have gotten to know them a little better. No one is gonna sign a consent form u…
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 08:19 PM
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Maybe you shouldn't put so much weight into what works or doesn't work for women and concentrate on yourself. MGTOW is more of a philosophy of avoiding long-term financial/legal relationships with a woman. You can still date/fuck/love women if you want to. Just don't get married, live with them, or have a child, so that you can be independent with no obligations. It’s about encouraging men to break their chains of dependence on the validation of women in order be happy, and choosing to do what's…
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 08:15 PM
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Maybe you should visit r/mgtow, seems like you are more suited for them than us.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 08:06 PM
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is what people who adore censorship say before they start outlining the best way to censor people with whom they disagree. Sure, but not all people who say that adore censorship. I don't adore censorship. If you don't like what others post here, post something else as counter-programming. I have done that exact thing these last few days. But telling others what they can and cannot say is stupid, anti-GYOW and pro-censorship. And our sub is already threatened and targeted by a subs like r/MGTOWBa…
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 08:03 PM
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You post what you want I post what I want. Sure, but your post is veering away from what this sub is really about. So I've downvoted it. And I reported it to the mods because you felt the need to use "simps" which is inflammatory language that makes us a target on reddit. I'm posting stories like this to bring attention to how the media makes it seems like this is an ideal situation. People already know that's what happens. That's usually the reason they are MGTOW in the first place. Maybe you s…
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:56 PM
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(A) I can't control how others vent No, but you can downvote them, like I do. Or report the post to the mods when they go too far and start saying stupid words like, "simps," "cucks," etc. I'm pretty anti-censorship, but too much of that stuff makes us like the r/MGTOW sub which is a total shitshow right now. (B) there's nothing stopping you from posting non-woman stuff as counter-programming. I have been doing exactly that the last couple of days. And I plan on doing it more often, while encour…
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:41 PM
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Soooo right. Man, I lost a few hours reading the posts in r/deadbedrooms the other day, and it 100 percent re-enforced my commitment to MGTOW philosophy. That is easily the most depressing sub I've ever been on. Ok, maybe it's really just tied with r/foreveralone as most depressing. But holy crap, some tough reads. But on another level, and I feel a bit of an asshole for this, but it kind of cheers me up because I have avoided the pitfalls that those folks are in. MGTOWs can date, MGTOWs can hav…
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:36 PM
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so are MGTOW forced to a life of loneliness? Not at all. I have still date women, and consider myself MGTOW. MGTOW is more of a philosophy of avoiding long-term financial/legal relationships with a woman. You can still date/fuck/love women if you want to. Just don't get married, live with them, or have a child, so that you can be independent with no obligations. It’s about encouraging men to break their chains of dependence on the validation of women in order be happy, and choosing to do what's …
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:33 PM
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It's a thing because not enough people care about it to change the law. But since I'm MGTOW and I don't plan on ever getting married again, it has ZERO affect on me. So I don't care about it either. And neither should you if you wanna go the MGTOW life. Let the people who support those types of laws deal with it. We're free from laws like that, brother.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:32 PM
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If nothing else, a man can vent about something in a judgment-free environment here. But it's the anti-women vents and ranting that are bringing down the quality of the sub.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:27 PM
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MGTOW2 is a men's club. We have a guiding philosophy, but we should maintain that it's a mens club. Of course, that's totally ok.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:26 PM
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Well said, brother! I agree.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:26 PM
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You can still be in a relationship and have/find love while being MGTOW. MGTOW is more about avoiding long-term financial/legal relationships with a woman. You can still date/fuck/love women. Just don't get married, live with them, or have a child, so that you can be independent with no obligations.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:18 PM
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All his wife has to do is file for divorce now he's on the hook for alimony child support and the loss of %50 of his assets.Everythong he has worked hard for. Who cares? If you are MGTOW, you don't have to worry about that, because you should be focusing on being independent and free from any financial/legal obligations to anyone. This isn't about "Whoa, look at how easy it is for women to..." Who gives a shit about any of that? Your MGTOW, so you are free from that scene. Let it go.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:14 PM
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Why are you worrying about women and their status in society? And why are you using the word, "simp"? MGTOW is about finding your freedom and independence without having to rely on a woman. It's not anti-women or about bitching about people who are married. Why don't you post some stories about your personal successes now that you aren't enslaved financally/legally to anyone?
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:13 PM
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Because this isn't a sub about getting revenge or bitching about women. It's about finding your own independence/freedom without having to rely on women for your happiness. You are on here ranting about a female-centric app. This isn't the place for that.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:10 PM
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Maybe you should stop focusing on what women can and can't get away with, and just deal with yourself. MGTOW is about finding independence and freedom, and not having to rely on a woman to be happy. Why are you so female-focused if this is about your personal journey and independence?
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:08 PM
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You can be MGTOW and still have and enjoy sex. You don't have to go monk-mode unless you want to. MGTOW isn't about having to go without relationships with women. It simply means don't get legally/financially involved with them. Brah, you can have a gf if you want and still be MGTOW. lol
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:06 PM
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Amen, brother!
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:04 PM
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Yeah, the mods just need to delete/disallow any posting of anti-women threads.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 07:02 PM
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Thank you, brother. I can definitely still get caught in fear and doubt, but I'm gonna push through and make this work out!
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 04:04 PM
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Stay strong, brother. Just focus on yourself and your success. We're all gonna make it through!
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 04:02 PM
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Stay strong, brother.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 04:02 PM
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Thanks, brother. Let's get this sub back into shape.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 04:00 PM
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Good luck on your path brother. And you as well, brother.
/r/MGTOW220/05/21 01:38 AM
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Yep, good plan. And 5 years goes by quick!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 11:44 PM
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Thank you, brother. It's fucking scary to do. Lots of doubt. But at the end of the day, I just wrote down a plan, budgeted for the lower pay to see if doable, then applied for jobs that fit my criteria of low stress/location. Way easier said, than done. But you can do it, man. I know ya can.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 07:39 PM
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Good ya, mate. Best luck to ya!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 07:37 PM
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I have a 125cc scooter. People laugh, but bitches that thing gets up to 50 mph. Great for summer time trips to work. :) I love my scoot! I think I'll make a post about it later today lol
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 05:20 PM
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I'm a fan and collector of old pulp mags from the 50's. This artwork definitely had that same vibe. Even the name, "Duke Cannon" lmao
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 05:08 PM
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Exactly! Exact same scenarios. And neither of my cars cost over $8K! Great minds think alike. haha
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 05:07 PM
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Ok, will do. Thank you!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 03:30 PM
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Thanks, brah!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 03:06 PM
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Thanks, brother.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 03:06 PM
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Like the name suggested, Men Going Their Own Way, so it's mostly has nothing to do with women, let alone bashing and ranting. Amen, brother. The only way we can change the direction of this sub into a more positive one, is to be the change we wanna see. In my opinion, we gotta start posting more positive stuff about our goals and things we are doing that are positive, and stuff that helps us maintain independence: Financial strategies, hobbies, cool shit that can be done because no financial/leg…
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 02:53 PM
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I get what you are saying, but I have 4 chickens in my back yard. So I get my eggs daily. And in the spring/summer months, their main food supply is just my lawn, weeds, and whatever bugs they find. Good luck on your journey, brother. But it's tough to get all you need from plant-based only. It's doable though. I personally follow the diet we are evolved for: a mix of meat and plants. I try to eat plant based most of the week. Then 2/3 times a week, chicken or fish. Maybe a hamburger on weekend …
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 02:50 PM
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Agreed, brother. Actually the reason I posted this and some other stuff yesterday is because I keep bitching about to many anti-women postings on here. So I decided to be the change I wanted to see in the sub. I think if we can start posting more stuff that focuses on personal growth and positive outlooks, maybe we can slowly bring back the sub to what it's supposed to be. It's my opinion that this sub should be about our goals/successes/attempts at personal independence while being free of some…
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:47 PM
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Thank you, brother. To be honest, I've def had moments of wondering if I did the right thing or if I was just being silly. But all the positive feedback I've received in this thread, has really helped me!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:45 PM
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Thank you, brother. I'll seriously think about it!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:30 PM
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You can do it, brother! I grew up dirt poor, in a very small town, and wasn't able to finish college (yet?). So if I can carve out this niche, then you can. Stay focused and positive!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:29 PM
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It's way prettier in real life. My phone is crap and def doesn't really catch the landscape very well.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:26 PM
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Colorado, USA
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:25 PM
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Thank you! If I can do it, then you can do it!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:24 PM
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Thank you, brother! We're all gonna make it!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:24 PM
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I'm naturally very lean. And if I run more than that I get super skinny and I've been working out with weights. So a mile is easy to hit, i do get some cardio in and it doesn't take long. If I have extra time or the say is super nice, I sometimes go a little further.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:23 PM
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I do have a little, (less than $1,000) in crypto. But it stresses me out playing the market, so i only throw very small cash that i can lose here and there toward it.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:22 PM
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Thank you!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:21 PM
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P.S. Why do you need 1+ cars? One is 4x4 SUV. One is a little hyundai hatchback that get gets super awesome gas mileage. I live in colorado, so I need something for snow and one for putzing around. I don't really NEED two cars. But they are both paid off, insurance is cheap and for me, it's nice having a back-up in case one is in the shop or I get a flat tire, etc. I have a weird fear of having no transportation. lol Also, and this is just me being weird, but I feel good that there is a car in t…
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:20 PM
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You're entitled to your opinion, but if a guy wants to discuss an article from a publication or some court case or something, he can do that if he posts the source. I don't mind those so much, even tho it's still women-focused. Posts that are just "hurr durr wahmen and society bad" are removed. That's not what I am seeing though. But hey, this isn't my sub, so I have no control over that.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:16 PM
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It's just the normal 40 hour work week/8 hours a day. As for how I can do it, it's because it's so easy that there's no stress. So when I get off work, I'm not tired at all. I work from 6 am to 3 pm. It's a 10 minute drive from my house. So I can get 4 hours of writing done by 8 at night pretty easy. Then I just watch tv or goof off until 10 or 11. My meals take very little prep time (usually slow-cooker/pressure cooker chicken and rice). I workout during my lunch break at work in the employee g…
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 03:13 AM
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You can pull it off, man! Totally. Work on a plan, stick to it, then you'll be exactly where you wanna be in life!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 03:05 AM
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It's a blessing, but I also ate a shit ton of ramen noodles to get here. That shows that you know how to work and how to hustle, and means you can pretty much do whatever you want once you have a plan. Good on ya, mate! I wish I had your ambition/smarts when I was younger. But at least I can try from now on!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 02:38 AM
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Thanks, friend. Plenty of room at the table, come on over anytime.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 02:37 AM
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Thanks, man. Your words have def helped reinforce to me that I am on the right track. Seriously means a lot.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 02:33 AM
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You sound like you are in a way better situation than I'm in. I've never had a 6-figure job in my life! And you make that money and are debt-free. Dude, you have a great path. Save for just a few more years, then bail and do what you want. I get what you are saying though. I could probably make/save more money if I moved to a cheaper part of the country. But my son lives here in my same town, we are super close, and I'll never leave the area as long as he is here. He doesn't plan on leaving. So …
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 02:23 AM
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99% of posts would be removed And I would be fine with that. So, the workaround is if a guy just feels the need to beat a dead horse and make some post about women, he can. And that's ruining the sub and also why it's made us a target.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 02:18 AM
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Exactly. It's def hard sometimes not to get caught up in the "woulda, shoulda, coulda" scenario. I'm older now and I def did not plan well when i was younger. I have no college degree, and I don't want to take on student loans at my age because not sure the return on investment would be worth it. I'm in my 50's. And let's be realistic. I'm not really that bright. I do ok, but I am not as smart as the average redditor/programmer/IT/anime nerds. But if I can squeak it out for next 13 years, my pen…
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 02:13 AM
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No I don't. I have some writing projects that bring in royalties (1/4 to 1/3 of my expenses--flucuates), so part of my writing career goal is to ramp that up to 100 percent. The only reason I am able to pull off working an easy minimum wage job and survive alright, is because I have no debt. My house and cars are all paid off. I paid those off when I had a higher-paying job, specifically so I could try what I am doing right now. And my child is grown, so I don't pay child support any longer. So …
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 02:07 AM
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I'll check those out too!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:59 AM
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Oh it's nothing glamorous. It's a call center job where I just transcribe information using speech-to-text. Boring as shit and pay is just a few cents above minimum wage in my area. That's why having my house paid off is really working out for me--no rent! Believe it or not, they have huge turnover. Simply because most people can't stand the monotony of it (and low pay!). But after my last few stressful jobs, I welcome brain-dead life! But great clean/nice office environment, great staff, they h…
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:53 AM
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Thank you, brother! We're all gonna make it if we just stay focused.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:48 AM
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I may have enough saved to never work again, You def made out better than I am. I never really made enough to build a huge savings. But now that my house is paid off, most of my fear of being homeless is gone!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:48 AM
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Trust me, it's all about choices. If I can pull this off, anyone can. For real! lol
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:46 AM
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I have an abnormal fear of being hit by a car if I ride on the road. So I never have. For real. I don't know how people do it. Fuck that. The drivers here are insane and we don't have a lot of bike lanes.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:40 AM
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Yep. I do miss having money to just throw away at any shiny thing I see, so I hope I can increase my income doing what I enjoy. But the lack of stress is like being on vacation full time, so I feel like I've made the right choice. The ultimate win for me would be to be rich AND stress free. I haven't figured out that part yet!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:33 AM
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This sub wasn't made to bitch about women. I stand by what I said.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:27 AM
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Yep I bike too. I have a decent mountain bike and hit the hills behind my house a lot. :) But for me, there's a lot of comfort in just putting shoes on, and walking out my front door and not having pull my bike out of garage. Plus my area has LOTS of small ground dwelling cacti. And lots of goathead thorns. So when I bike, seems like 50/50 chance of flat tire! lol I've never had so many flat tires on a bike as I have had in this area..sigh...
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:23 AM
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hahaha, that actually pretty much describes my state. Colorado is a high mountain desert! LMAO Love it tho!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:18 AM
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Thank you, brother! I live in Colorado, so pretty much anywhere I go around here is a great place to run/hike.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:16 AM
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I'd say there are plenty of guys that are plenty happy to have good relationships with women. A MGTOW sub will have practically zero affect on your life. And for the record, many men are MGTOW in attitude but are still in relationships. I just recently got out of a 3-year relationship with a woman and I was MGTOW the entire time I dated her. MGTOW just means not being financially/legally involved with someone. Basically I date, but just have no plans to marry or have any more children--and I'm u…
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:13 AM
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About 20 feet--I leave from my house. And this hill I'm on in this pic is at the 1/2 mile mark. About the top of the hill I turn around, and when I reach my porch, I've hit a mile.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 01:01 AM
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I'll keep an eye out for it!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 12:47 AM
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A lot of guys who work 80 hours a week crash and burn. Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have big money, but I just can't accept working so hard for other people. I'm middle-aged, so it's about quality vs quantity now.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 12:47 AM
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Thank you, brother. Working on it!
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 12:46 AM
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Thanks! Right now, sorta light mystery/horror. Mostly for middle-aged moms to read and forget about. I write in an old-school gothic sorta way that lends itself to cozy g-rated light reading. Rainy/snowy saturday reads. For my more modern stuff/writing style, I write easy-to-digest young reader books. Such as: kid and buddy use dad's time machine prototype to get out of going to school. They get lost back in time cus they don't know how to work machine. As they run from dinosaurs, kid inadverten…
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 12:38 AM
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I had legit never even heard of them before yesterday. I was buying groceries, happened to see them, and the box stood out to me. I read the box, laughed at how over the top it was, and ended up buying four of them. So far so good, I love the smell and the attitude. But ya sure don't wanna drop one of these things on your foot while in the shower. It's damn near the size and weight of a brick. lol
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 12:27 AM
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I am not a huge fan of big city life. Some people are, but being in a city doesn't help me relax. So nature walks for me! :)
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 12:25 AM
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It's terrible to say farewell to them after a lifetime (their lifetime) of love, devotion, and happiness. Yep. And that's why the dog in this pic is a friends dog, and not mine. I love dogs, but after saying goodbye to my last one, it's too heartbreaking for me. So now I just take my friends dog out for daily walks while she works. I get my exercise in, my doggie time in, and then can go back home with no responsibilities. :)
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 12:24 AM
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Oh fair point! Thank you, brother!
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 11:54 PM
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Sunset. I promise the scene is prettier and more epic in real life. But I have a cheap phone. lol
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 11:52 PM
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I've written about 300 pages, but I haven't made it to page 2 yet. I've just rewritten the first page 300 times. For me, i would be that way if I edited as I wrote. What made me get past that, was nano-writing. Basically writing an entire story in just 100 words. No more, no less. They are also called drabbles. I do those every day before my longer form writing. And the great thing is, that means I finish a story (well, ok, a super short one!) every single day. I read somewhere you gotta just vo…
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 11:19 PM
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I would take an extra step and suggest that it will be best if you can somehow generate enough passive income to cover your cost of living so that it can free up even more time for you, but not sure if you have the means for that. Oh definitely my plan. My passive income can cover about 1/3 of my income now. But I'm hoping I can get it up to covering all my expenses. Now of course, that's only because i barely have any expenses. I def would love more money, but the stress and wear of having a jo…
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 11:14 PM
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Thank you, brother!
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 11:12 PM
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Not having anyone to answer to, or to pay for, is awesome. True freedom is enjoying yourself and doing what you want to. Stop worrying/whining about what society says or the perceived advantages you think other people have—man or woman. If you you aren’t financially/legally/emotionally chained to anyone, you’re free. Even if you’re broke as shit, you’re free. So stop bitching about other people, and make your life better. Plus, mountains. :)
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 11:11 PM
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Nah, I think they are just goofing around and being purposely over-the-top in their branding.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 11:05 PM
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Thank you, brother. We're all gonna make it just fine if we focus on the right things.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 10:54 PM
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This sub is suppose to be about how you are bettering yourself without the worry or financial/legal slavery of being too attached to a woman. So rather than posting stories about women, maybe you should post some cool stuff about what kind of success you are finding since you can focus on yourself rather than women.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 10:44 PM
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Good thing we are not focusing on women in this sub tho. Who cares what other people do in their relationships? This sub is suppose to be about how you are bettering yourself without the worry or financial/legal slavery of being too attached to a woman. So rather than posting stories about women, maybe you should post some cool stuff about what kind of success you are finding since you can focus on yourself rather than women.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 10:43 PM
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To not talk about women defeats the purpose of mgtow I disagree. The whole point of MGTOW is to not worry about what women think about you. This sub is becoming a great big bitch-a-thon about how easy women have it and how much the suck. It's annoying. Stop focusing on women and focus on yourself. That's the point of MGTOW2
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 10:40 PM
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here's the problem with your argument that "there are other subreddits to cater to us" So? Doesn't mean you guys have to post here? You're ruining this sub with the anti-women and whining about women type of posts.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 10:37 PM
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Yes!!! Totally agree with you! I never thought I'd find myself asking for more moderation, but yeah, this sub could use some more moderation.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 10:35 PM
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Stop policing people's posts. Actually, this sub has to START policing people's posts. Because people keep posting anti-women bs on here all the time now. Go to r/mgtow if you wanna bitch and moan about women not liking you.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 10:34 PM
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Great post, but why are the mods letting so many women-focused and anti-women posts be allowed here? I hate censorship too, but I really think mods need to just bite the bullet and delete the anti-women posts in the sub. It's making this sub a target, because people are confusing this sub with the original hateful r/mgtow sub.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 10:32 PM
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Actually this shit is awesome. Great marketing/design. And the fucking soap is the size of a small brick. Great smell. American-made. Fun graphics. Fun attitude: Steel cut grains + triple-milled for super quality Three times bigger than common bar soaps Made in USA, not from France Not for clowns And now I smell like Productivity! :) Seriously tho, this Duke Cannon soaps are awesome. EDIT: Hey, are you fuckers from France downvoting me?! I kid, I kid. I don't care about downvotes. I'm too busy s…
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 10:16 PM
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There's no telling when the banhammer is going to come for this sub and others like it Which is why this sub needs to stop with the "womens is bad cuz..." posts or time to start a new sub. The incels and women-haters here are toxic
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 09:44 PM
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Same thing I was thinking. But a guy started r/primalmanhood, and it looks like that MAY become what we need. But legit, I was just thinking today that I may start a new sub based on what I think the true philosophy of mgtow is. But then I found r/primalmanhood, so maybe I don't have to!
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 09:44 PM
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MGTOW has become ambiguous and i expect it to change meaning in the next 10 years because men don't want to be monks. Yep. We need a rebranding. MGTOW is becoming ruined by incels and women haters.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 09:42 PM
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Finally, you're right. To transition this sub, we just need to post about the things we want to turn the sub into. Amen. But I am beginning to wonder if the sub is worth saving. Sooo many incels lately.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 09:38 PM
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OP will get a lot of upvotes for saying we shouldn’t talk about women, but I’m not going to shut down a guy who comes on here to tell us about a bad experience he had. Which is why this sub is starting to go downhill.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 09:38 PM
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Yep, I wish the sub was more like you describe as well. Instead, it's rapidly becoming full of women-haters, whiners, and incels. Right now though, it looks like r/primalmanhood is closer to what you want, than this sub is. It's a new sub, but I am hoping it's what you listed.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 09:37 PM
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You're in the wrong sub for that attitude. r/mgtow is that way ---->
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 07:25 PM
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What good does it bring, putting other men down huh? Because sometimes shame and ribbing someone is the only way to motivate them to change. Go laugh all you want, at the end of the day I know I'm not hateful and am at peace with myself, Good for you!
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 07:21 PM
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I've noticed that I am not the only one who does not like this sub becoming more and more away-motivated ("We don't want women and here's why... ") instead of towards-motivated hence embracing manhood 100 percent agree. I subbed to your subreddit! It may be the rebranding that I'm looking for
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 07:03 PM
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Grandpa, you are one of the few that actually GETS it. Amen, brother. I pretty much have been saying the same exact thing. And it's falling more more and more deaf ears in this sub lately.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 07:00 PM
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I fuck women. I just don't marry them or live with them or get them pregnant. Being MGTOW doesn't mean giving up women. I mean, you can if you want to, but that's not what MGTOW is really about.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:58 PM
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I have worked with plenty of men who created conflict and were assholes too. Let's try to keep to focus on what you are doing and how you are going your own way, rather than talking about women.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:56 PM
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Agreed. I think we need a rebranding/renaming and our own sub. MGTOW2 has lost it's original focus. I liked the earlier posts about/from guys who focused on their cool hobbies, their finances, their successes, all based on them focusing on themselves rather than just dating success (or lack of.) Now the sub is being swamped by incels and women-hater angry guys.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:51 PM
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If people want to post we should let them. If we simply don’t let people or censor people then MGTOW gets driven underground. But that exact attitude is why we are having a problem. Incels and women-haters come here and it's ruined the sub. And there is a sub, r/mgtowban that is actively and open about swarming this sub trying to get it closed down.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:45 PM
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Instead of being "women this, women that", why can’t we just focus on ourselves? This sub USED to be about focusing and being independent. But now it's being swamped by women-haters and incels. Which is destroying the spirit of the sub. I think we have to accept that the term MGTOW is now becoming toxic and taken over. Maybe we need a new term, and a new sub and ban the anti-women stuff. Heck, I consider myself MGTOW even when I have a girlfriend. I'm just independent and make sure not to get le…
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:44 PM
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Annnnd people like you are what makes people hate MGTOW2 and try to get us banned.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:40 PM
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What's your answer to explain all the men who are in happy, fulfilling and equal relationships? I've seen and experienced them. Awesome! Happy for them. I'm usually in a relationship and still MGTOW. MGTOW is about not being in a financial/legal entanglement with women. It doesn't mean you can't be in a relationship with a woman. Just don't marry her, or live with her, or have children with her, and you're golden. MGTOW2 isn't about shunning or hating women. It's about not being enslaved to anyo…
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:28 PM
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Amen, brother.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:22 PM
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I'm not that great looking, and I don't have any problems getting dates or having gf's. It's very cliche, but it really IS based on your confidence and personality. I have dated girls way out of my league and we have talked about looks, height, etc. Every single girl I've dated has said she doesn't really care about height if the guy is fun to be around. Same with looks (As long as you don't look like a monster or something). I'm 6 ft, so maybe they are lying, but why would they? Now if you are …
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:21 PM
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This sub has been invaded by incels masquerading as MGTOW. True MGTOW don't hate women, Sooooo true. The amount of incels in here now is really bringing down the quality of the sub.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:07 PM
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You are taking it WAY too personally. Are you a guy who is slightly fem or something? Basically the OP's was just saying, don't be a pussy. Nothing wrong with that. The pussification of men is one of the things that really sucks about modern society. It's common knowledge that women AND men, prefer masculine features/personality traits. If you wanna be successful in life, it helps to change your traits to more masculine seeming. If you don't want to, that's fine. But know that you are gonna have…
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 06:06 PM
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100 percent, I wanna ask, "who hurt you?!" Why are you taking all of this so seriously? Srs question.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 05:47 PM
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Do you really think it's okay to call full grown men girls? If that hurts your feelings so much, then um, you may be a girl. lol
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 05:26 PM
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I refuse your hyphen advice!
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 10:27 PM
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I like to walk alone. But I also like to fuck. You can do both. I love women, but I don't let any one woman have control over my financial or mental health. I get the feeling that a LOT of mgtow2's in this sub are actually what most people refer to as hermits (or recluse). I see so many posts on here about actually preferring to be alone, dreaming of a cabin in the woods, away from everyone, etc. And "mgtow" is just a handy way to deny the fact that they have always been hermits. I like people a…
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 10:23 PM
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but last year I went through SEVERE withdrawals quitting caffeine and my emotions were all over the place. People underestimate how tough it is to quit caffeine. I feel ya, brother. I quit it cold turkey. And motherfuck, it was a crazy time. And crazy ass dreams. Probably took me a good 4 weeks before I totally got over the withdrawls
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 10:16 PM
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How so? Just because I think incels are losers?! They are losers, though.
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 12:59 PM
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What are you talking about? I'm not pro-marriage at all. I legit have no idea what your beef is here. \ Are you sure you know what sub you're in?! lol
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 12:52 PM
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You're an incel tho, so...
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 12:47 PM
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Aww, you're an incel and you're mad at me. Oh well! :)
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 12:54 PM
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The fact they are depressed or angry about it doesn't make me hate them, it makes me feel sorry for them if anything. Ok, then reach out and help them. Good on ya, mate. This isn't the sub for that.
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 11:15 PM
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Why do you find that so hateful? Why do you care? Because they are fucking losers that creep people out w their obsessive hatred of women, and then they blame other people for their problems. If they would just put some effort into life, change up their personalties, they'd realize that fucking girls doesn't solve every problem in the the world. And guess what? The r/foreveralone people annoy me too. They sit around and whine about why no one likes them, then they turn around and talk about how …
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 01:21 PM
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Ahh, a fellow scot! Now we're suckin' diesel. Ok, so I'm not in Scotland and wasn't born there, but my name is MacGregor, and my son has the red hair gene, so... But yep, all about confidence. And just like you said, it helps in all aspects of life, not just getting laid. As for finances, I'm with you in mindest. My house is paid off, my cars are paid off, and I have no secured debt. I have an OK job, but the pay isn't that great. But i don't have many bills, since all my stuff is paid off. So n…
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 12:59 PM
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hahahahaha. It wasn't that way in my area, but it definitely seems to be that way now!
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 12:53 PM
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What are you even talking about? I don't put women on a pedestal at all. In fact, that was my main argument about why incels shouldn't be in this sub--because they are obsessed with women and blame everything on their looks. Mgtow philosophy disregards all of that nonsense. So I'm now sure what you're going on about. I agree w what you are saying, not counting what you are saying about me. Incels are not mgtow and I don't they they should be involved in discussions in this sub.
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 12:52 PM
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Yep. I wear a condom, not matter what the woman says.
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 12:49 PM
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Because it's not agaisnt the rules otherwise mods would've deleted these posts So. It still doesn't really fit the spirit of this sub. Incels are obsessed with women. Mgtow's are not (at least in this sub).
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 12:49 PM
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Yep. It's weird when I read all the reddit posts about how online dating sucked, not one got replies, etc. Like, no, it was easy. And I'm not even that great looking. If ya didn't look like a serial killer and had a little personality, you were pretty much in the game. It was fun, but looking back on it, if I had spent that time teaching myself programing/coding rather than hooking up, I'd be way better off right now. I wouldn't say I regret it per say, it's just that I was focused so much on th…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 11:12 PM
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There are men who care about incels and would like to discuss such topic But why discuss it in a MGTOW sub? And also, if you browse around the r/mgtow sub, there seems to be a lot fo incels there. Not so much here in Mgtow2, mgtow og seems to have the biggest incel numbers.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 09:26 PM
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This is PUA ideology Nope. It's successful life ideology. It's not just about women. If you are n angry at the world incel at your job, you're gonna alienate people too. Because no one wants to work with angry entitled morons.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 09:21 PM
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You presume I'm an incel based on what? The fact that you are so defensive and upset about the treatment of incels. < People like you are part of the problem that is being discussed. And I'll continue to be. Because I think incels are losers that could actually change their lives with an attitude-adjustment, if they put in the effort.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 07:48 PM
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but you can't create one if she doesn't like the way you look to begin with Gonna have to disagree on this one. Purely ancedotal of course: several months ago, I had a chick that came to rent out an extra room I have in my house. She was thin, cute, 24 yrs old, loved animals, pretty funny. After a month, we were had a few drinks out on the porch. We kissed. Had sex. Started sleeping together. She was WAY hotter than most chicks I have dated. She legit said to me that when she first met me, she w…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 07:46 PM
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Yeah, in my area, it only went to shit in last 3 years or so. I actually met my current (or ok, maybe soon to be ex after a disagreement today) gf on there. I went on there today just to see how it was and hoooolly crap. In my area now, most profiles were either obviously fake russian girls, or fat chicks wearing way too small shirts that show off the prison-looking tattoos on their boobs. Not even close to the crowd I saw on there last time I was on. But since I'm mgtow2 now, not that big of a …
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 07:21 PM
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Intelligence isn't a handicap. Of course not! Smug displays of it, can be. But hey, if you are getting laid (if you want), and it's working for you, keep on keeping on. But this is a MGTOW sub, so talking about bone structure and women's preferences isn't really the intent.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 07:16 PM
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Riiiiggghhhtt. This isn't an incel sub. You should try to find somewhere else more closely aligned w your views. Or not. Public forum. You keep incelling if ya want. It's cringy af, but hey, you do you
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 07:04 PM
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I'll write about whatever I want and use complex sentences to my heart's delight. Like I said, totally your right to do that. But that could explain some of your problems with dating, if any of that bleeds into your real life. You say it doesn't, but um... I doubt it. But I am a random interweb guy. If you think what you are doing is working, keep doing it. Definitely wouldn't work with any women I know.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:59 PM
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Not everyone is adapted as you are when it comes to things like this due to their upbringing or inexperience with stuff like this. Sure, but at what point do you grow up and make your own decisions? Don't be a follower all your life if you wanna have independence. So I'll keep shaming, because it's weird that you all just blindly follow what others tell you to do. Which is fine for children, but for adults?! It's weird. And it causes you problems. heck out Indian Matchmaking on Netflix No. Fucki…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:57 PM
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Concern trolls (like you) Excuse me?! you are now concern trolling and shaming Fuck yes I incel-shame. I think you all are a bunch of losers that are mad at the world because you can't get laid. The world doesn't owe you shit. You gotta adapt and play the cards you were dealt. But because I think incels are losers, I'm a concern troll?! LMAO. Um, maybe you should hang out in r/mgtow and/or r/foreveralone if you wanna find your peeps, brah.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:53 PM
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Just because you are on reddit doesn't mean you have to talk about cringy shit like bone structure and facial proportions. LMAO Sure, life can be easier for attractive people. But plenty of people not considered traditionally good looking, date and get laid. Fuck, man. Just try not to be so fucking weird and awkward w your mannerisms and word choices. Not being weird, pretty much gets you where ya wanna go. Now you are perfectly free to let your weird autistic flag fly. Totally. Just know that's…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:47 PM
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I'm have a shit job, make WAY less than 75K a year. And I have a face like a foot. Yet I can still get laid and have had plenty of gf's and dates. And I shave my head. My pic on on reddit somewhere. If I can get dates and laid, then you can. Personality is king to most women over 25. Also, this is a MGTOW sub, why are you seeking validation from women anyway? Are you here because you're tired of dating or are you here because you can't get a date?! Those are two very different scenarios. You do …
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:38 PM
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LMAO dude, there is a difference between incels and virgins. 30 percent of men being incels?! Come on man. Stop. This isn't an incel sub. This isn't an incel-sympathy sub. You sound like an incel who is pissed off and wants some sort of validation. Stop. If you wanna glorify incels, go somewhere else.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:34 PM
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Women determine SMV based on immutable traits like height, bone structure, hair, etc. Like who the fuck talks like that in the normal world?! LMAO Dude plenty of ugly people are in relationships. Sure being attractive helps, but plenty of unattractive people date and hook up.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:31 PM
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Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia or some other middle-eastern country if you don't like it here. Is that kind of morals you are looking for?! Serious question.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:27 PM
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They are naive, and so are you. Even if 99% of people die, theres still a fuckload of people left Yep! Reddit has been hoping/praying for/predicting the end of the planet for years now. lol. Every time edgy lonely 19-year olds come on here, they say the world is gonna end and blame it on Amazon, Elon Musk, and rich people.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:24 PM
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and reddit.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:22 PM
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Our society has been on a hard moral decline since 2016 How so?
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:20 PM
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Sorry man, Imma gonna break some news to you. So prepare yourself. You sitting down? The world isn't going to end anytime soon. The coming death of everything isn't happening soon. It sounds like you really want that to happen. It won't. Now, sure, bad stuff will continue to happen here and there. Just like it always has. But dude, the world isn't going to end anytime soon. I know reddit seems to want/need capitalism and police to just vanish and everyone suffer and die. But it's not happening a…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:19 PM
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Your view of USA is pretty twisted. You're basing it just on bad news you see in the news and here on reddit. There are much more good things going on in the US, than there are bad things. You sound like you live in an anime/reddit world point of view.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:15 PM
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MGTOW gets what it deserves, tbh. The mods over there have an agenda that most of the community is unaware of. 100 percent agree.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:13 PM
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You can make your point without shitting on the other mgtow sub Well considering that so many posts in that sub refer to women as "roast beef flaps," I think the hate for it is deserved. I got banned from there by saying that NOT every woman is a money thieving whore. LMAO
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:12 PM
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We need both r/MGTOW and r/MGTOW2. Nah, fam...r/MGTOW is total fucking poison. And they call women "beef flaps," "whores" etc. Way too toxic.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:10 PM
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Plenty of Fish was ridiculous 4/5yrs ago here, could get a hookup every night with no issues and about 2 messages was all it took lol. That's joined the rest of them in generally being mince. Yes!! I got fucking laid soooo much on Plenty of fish just 3 years ago!! Now, I don't what the fuck it is, but it ain't a great place to date or get laid. And now, soooo many overweight people on there. Annoying! Hey no offense to you overweight MTOW2'rs, but if you like overweight people, Plenty of Fish ha…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:09 PM
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A part of me wants to go out and chase girls, but another part just wants to focus on myself and building a better life and (hopefully) a bit of wealth too. You can do both. Go out, have fun, AND build your life. Just don't get married, have kids (yet), or get into a financial arrangement w anyone (like co-signing, loans, house, etc.) Go out, have fun, get laid, date. Just don't get married or tied down and you'll be golden. MGTOW doesn't mean you have to abstain from sex or fun if you don't wan…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:04 PM
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When free, we as men have the capacity to create one hell of a life. Amen, brother
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:02 PM
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I would've become an electrician or something else in the trades, saved and invested heavily, and retired by 35. This! And/or IT field. I fucking wasted a lot of life by taking the easy route and fucking off. Now, I'm older and poor as fuck. Very fucking annoying.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:59 PM
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I feel like you are writing in secret nerd code or something. What the fuck is "K selection girl" and "3 base"?
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:51 PM
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Seriously?! You aren't a teenager, dude. You're a grown man. Live your own life. You you don't HAVE to listen to everything your parents say. Shrug, say "Nah" or "Meh, if it happens, it happens. If not, cool too." and move on to next topic. What's up w so many redditors being overly attached to their parents even after adulthood?! Dude when I was your age, I had a wife, a kid, car payments, and house payments. Trying to please my parents would have been the last fucking thing on my mind. lololol…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:48 PM
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I totally agree with everything you've just said!
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:45 PM
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Exactly!
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:42 PM
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I swear they like to search for things they hate Yeah, some people dif do that. Especially here on reddit! We need a nice MGTOW2 website forum. That way we can't get banned and we can keep the incels out.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:42 PM
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Meh, that book has way too much talk about guys in tears and guys dealing with their mothers. The mother issues in that book are so weird. It's a good concept, but I don't think it's a great book. It was pretty cringy to me.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:38 PM
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You allowed people to enter your life and break it from within. Protect it from now on. Be cautious with your time and energy. Love yourself first. Well said!
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:36 PM
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but she won't talk to me...... Like I did something wrong. Then move on. You talking to her won't change her mind. If she really wanted to be with you, she would have tried to worked it out with you. By not replying to you, it means she's isn't willing to be with you. Move on, brother. You tried, it didn't work out, so yell "next!" and move on.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:26 PM
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I lost all faith in love, marriage and women. I no longer want marriage or kids. With my track record, as described above, I'm terrified of not only being abused again, but I'm terrified of meeting the wrong person and going through even worse experiences like divorce and child support. Welcome to Mgtow2 then! Cuz that attitude is a great starting point. Weirdly enough, your story pretty much covers my earlier relationships. But knowing yourself, knowing your limitations, and focusing on yoursel…
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:12 PM
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Agreed!
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 05:02 PM
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Well reddit banned a lot of incel subs, so I think incels seem to think they are MGTOW all of a sudden, and having been popping up in threads here. Attention incels, MGTOW2 is NOT about incels and/or obsessing about what women owe you. You need to visit r/MGTOW for that b.s.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 04:53 PM
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Agreed. Why so many virgins in this thread and on MGTOW? Not that there is anything wrong with being a virgin, but this seems strange place for them to hang out, since the ones in this thread seem more like incels than MGTOW
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 04:50 PM
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You can do all that shit and just not marry her. Way safer for your mental and financial health.
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 07:28 PM
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Good points!
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 07:24 PM
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It's a bad idea because anytime it's convenient to her she can walk into the police station and say "I don't feel safe." That gets you arrested, restraining order to prevent you re-entering the residence, and by the time you can fight back against either of those things legally she's liquidated everything you own and skipped town with another guy. This isn't really a common thing. And police don't just arrest you because a chick said she doesn't feel safe. Hey I get it, laws can def work against…
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 07:23 PM
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I view it like I would a roommate. I've tried to avoid having roommates because it can be a pain if you want the situation to end and the other person doesn't. I'm not like the rest of the sub who thinks that she can take you for everything you have, just because you co-habitat. Most chicks don't just run to police and get you arrested. Not sure why this sub thinks that's so common. LOL But from a practical point of view, things get tricky if one of you wants to move on and you are are intertwin…
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 07:20 PM
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Then get a gun. Cops come after the fact. All people have a duty to protect themselves IMO. Yep!!
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 07:14 PM
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Dude, it's not a world war we're in. LMAO Calm you tits. Fuck girls. Don't get married or live with a chick. Don't have kids w her. It's not that complicated. Don't shack up w a girl or get her knocked up. Have fun. Fucking reddit, man. Sigh. It's like you all are so angry and shit that you WANT the world to end. Guess what? World ain't gonna end anytime soon. tl;dr: Live life. Fuck girls. Don't get married. Have fun.
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 06:04 PM
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disregard females, acquire freedom. Nah, brah. Disregard MARRYING OR HAVING KIDS with women, acquire freedom.
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 05:52 PM
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Fuck lots of girls, enjoy life. I love women! Don't get married, don't live with them, and don't have kids with them if you don't want any financial obligations. Y'all making this shit way too complicated. And stop hating on Chad. Be Chad. This is the way. For me. If you wanna completely stay away from women, you can do that too. But guys, you can be MGTOW and still get laid. It ain't that tough.
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 05:50 PM
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take some advise from a guy who was a nerd/geek in high school, aced his CS degree at university, made 6 figures in his second job and turned millionaire at 32: I want to be you, even tho I am way older than you. lol
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 08:12 PM
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My current gf started out as friends w benefits. Worked great for us for a year. Then we just sorta morphed into gf/bf. But she has her own place, and I have mine, so it's still kinda friends w benefits, but just the same person lol In my experience tho, the FWB thing only works when you are older. I have had lots of friends w benefits deals since 40's. Before I hit 40 tho, I could never make it work. Single moms tho, yeah. All my fwb's have been with single moms! :)
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 08:08 PM
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Literally every time I have sex, I have anxiety attacks about pregnancy with said chick Wear condom, pull out and make to sure you cum after you pull out while u still have the condom on. No worries. But if you are still that worried about it, then get a vasectomy. Sex is about fun, brah. Be smart about it, and just enjoy.
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 08:02 PM
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Jerk off. Or fuck a girl. Or a guy. Or date. Whatever, man. YOU are in charge of you. As long as you don't marry anyone, live with anyone, have kids w anyone, or hang out w bad news, you're golden. MGTOW is about freedom. You get to do what you want. You're not boxed in, you're free. Enjoy it!
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 07:59 PM
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Started living with MGTOW philosophy mid 30's, while continuing to date a lot. Now 51 yrs old. Got married young. Divorced young, but had no assests, so not a big deal. Had a kid, had to go to family court, won custody. Woke me up to just how quickly things can change for you. Spent next few decades dating, fucking and enjoying life. But making sure not to get financially involved w anyone. Now have a gf, but we don't live together and don't plan to. My kid is grown, he lives close by and we han…
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 07:48 PM
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Dude, you're an adult man with children. You mother hasn't controlled your life since you were a child. What is it w reddit and grown men complaining about their mothers?! lol But hey, if you FINALLY realized that, good on ya. Stay strong, brother.
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 07:35 PM
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I have a gf, but we don't live together. It's amazing to be able to just hang out here at my house, by myself, and listen to the quiet. She has 3 kids, so it's fun when I go over there hang out, etc. I adore her kids, they adore me. So we hang out, have fun, watch movies, etc. But coming back home and just chilling by myself is freaking awesome. I feel like living MGTOW and having a gf that I don't live with or have any financial ties to, is the best of both worlds for me. Family time there. Per…
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 07:32 PM
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Agreed. I don't visit this sub as much as I used to because of all the complaining and no-fap nonsense on here. I def like the positive posts about guys upskilling, and going their own way. I wish there were more posts like this.
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 07:16 PM
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This is awesome. Good for you, brother!
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 07:15 PM
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And "Nope" is my answer to that suggestion.
/r/MGTOW218/12/20 06:07 PM
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You ever see a sex doll in shop or at some presentation event... go ask if you can hug her. Nope.
/r/MGTOW218/12/20 02:47 PM
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The occasional full body wash, dry, oil and powder takes longer, but it's fine if you can hang her up to do it. Dude, that sounds like a serial killer with a dead person. Eww! But hey brah, you go your own way.
/r/MGTOW217/12/20 08:52 PM
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Um, sex robots in the FAR future, maybe awesome if they are life-like. Sex dolls right now are like dead people. Brah, you do you, but I think it's fucking weird and super cringy. I'll keep to having gf's and going mgtow while not marrying or living with them.
/r/MGTOW217/12/20 08:08 PM
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And if you truly understood that men have no legal rights, no power, nothing in any situation involving children you wouldn't be blaming them for single mothers. Brah, I won custody of my kid and raised him as a single dad. Stop. Yes, the courts do favor women, but you act like every problem in the world is because of women. And for the record, there are plenty of men who ARE fuckups and that's what makes it so hard for us guys who aren't. Calm your tits. To educate, but obviously you're far too…
/r/MGTOW210/12/20 11:12 PM
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I said men like you were stuck mentally in the 50s thinking you have some kind of power, I forgot to mention the infantile and junior high level of immaturity that goes along with your willful and ignorance as a result of your mental laziness I'm not stuck at all. I went thru custody battle, so I know all about the family court system. This is what real men like me are up against dealing with losers like you who sadly are far too often the norm. So I'm not a real man because I don't hate women? …
/r/MGTOW210/12/20 10:10 PM
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Not everyone here is "edgy" or have cut out women or sex. I have a gf, and I consider myself mgtow. That IS the middle way. I already have a kid, raised him up just fine, and I don't plan on having any more children. And I don't plan on getting married or having my gf live with me. And she's fine with that. My house is paid off, and I live debt-free, and it's nice knowing that no one can take those away from me if my relationship doesn't work out. As it stands, if my gf and I break up, we hug, s…
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 11:21 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 07:52 PM
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Dave Ramsey changed my life. Because of him, I paid off my house and all of my debts. I don't make shit for $$ right now (working on that tho as I am upskilling and applying for better jobs now!), but at least I don't have to worry about my cars being repo'd or my house being taken. Debt-free is the way to be truly free. Dave Ramsey is pretty conservative and preachy, but you can ignore all that and follow his program. I paid off my house 10 years ago and it's an amazing feeling.
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 03:00 PM
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Yep, I had a terrible interest rate, and it was a 30 year mortgage. But I paid it off in 7 years. So I saved something like 60K in interest! Sucked while doing it tho. If fucking pretty much lived off peanut butter sandwiches. My GF at the time was not pleased with the fact that I didn't take vacations or anything with her. lolololol Annnnddd she still has a mortgage she is paying on tho, so I win! lol
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 02:00 AM
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Yeah, it's a long haul. I took me 7 years of doing that to pay it off. But I paid off my house when I was 43 yrs old. Super awesome.
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 01:29 AM
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More posts like this! This is the kind of posts this sub should have. I've been working out every day since the pandemic started (I work from home), and this weekend, I kept that routine up. I also worked on my portfolio for jobs and sent out applications since I am looking for a different job. And I changed the tire on my jeep and got a new spare for it. And good on ya for the debt-free work. I'm debt-free, including my house, and it IS life changing. When I made my final house payment, and bec…
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 12:19 AM
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"Hey fattie!" Kidding! I had to, cuz that's what the snake juice guy says at the beginning of every vid. I don't do it because Imm lean, but I did try fasting one day just because of his vids. I love that guy! And you are right, the snake juice formula makes it way easier!
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 12:17 AM
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Meanwhile dumbasses like you are still stuck back in the 1950s thinking men and fathers have any say or power in ANYTHING to do with children and still bashing men and blaming them Dude, calm your tits. I was a single father, and I went thru the whole custody battle thing because I wasn't married to my kids mother. I know how it works. You sound like a bitter guy who can't get laid. lol STUPID and PATHETIC beyond belief. Incel alert!!
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 02:49 PM
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MGTOW as a concept sounds good, but in practice get devolved into these hateful groups. Yep, the name is tainted now. WAY too many incels here (even tho less here than in the other MGTOW sub)
/r/MGTOW204/12/20 12:07 AM
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Good on ya mate, I'm dropping out of the MGTOW subs, and checking yours out!
/r/MGTOW204/12/20 12:06 AM
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I agree with you. Even tho this sub is lightyears better than the other MGTOW sub, there are still too many anti-women posts here. So like you, I think I'm dropping this sub to. Too many posts blaming women for everything. We need to start something, create a new name for the movement, and a new sub. MGTOW is just just associated w the wrong types of people now. I mean, maybe people like you and me are just confirmed bachelors or something? I mean, I love women. I just won't marry, have more kid…
/r/MGTOW204/12/20 12:04 AM
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you're not aware of how women take sperm from used condoms for artificial insemination. Dude, you are way too fucking paranoid. Then pull out while wearing a condom, wrap it in tissue and put in your pocket if you are THAT fucking paranoid. But hey if you wanna miss out on fucking girls because you are so fucking afraid of them, have at it. That's your own way, so cool. I don't have any problems doing what I want AND fucking girls, so all good here
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 04:46 PM
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We have too much to lose in the name of this "fun." Women don't have that much power. As long as you don't pay for them, live with them, have kids or marry them, it's all fine.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 04:44 PM
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Then what is the difference between MGTOW and normal men then? Because we don't let women define us or have any financial obligations to them. I don't HAVE to have a gf to be happy. But having one doesn't make me miserable. You said you don't even have many male friends. Dude, face it, you are an incel.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 04:43 PM
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r/MGTOW has been overrun by incels and alt-right assholes Which is why you sound like you'd be right at home there.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 04:41 PM
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I'm not a PUA. How does pointing out that you sound like an anti-social incel make me an PUA?! lol
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 04:40 PM
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If you are incapable of giving up pussy then why the hell are you calling yourself MGTOW? Because getting pussy doesn't negatively affect my life at all. I don't pay for it. I can do what I want. And my financial future is not affected at all. And if I get tired of her, I walk away. You sound like an incel.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 04:40 PM
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Preach on, brother. This is the way. I don't know why these guys go monk mode when they are so young. They are missing out and fucking and having fun! lol
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:53 AM
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Those are YOUR rules. Not MGTOW rules. Dude, go join the He-Man Woman Haters club fi you want. But MGTOW is about going your own way. Why the fuck would I give up pussy?! I like pussy! I just don't wanna put my future savings into it, so I don't marry or cohabitate or have any future kids.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:52 AM
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I do not pursue relationships nor friendships with women which is rather easy since I have nothing in common with them. I barely pursue friendships with other men. Sounds like you have personal issues. You seem to be very anti-social. That's not women's fault, man. You need to deal with some issues.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:49 AM
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You think dating women doesn't subject you to the law? Correct. Dating women doesn't subject me to the law. If I don't marry her, have kids w her, or live with her, she has as little control over me as you have over me. Nada. Dude, we get it. You don't like women. Cool. But this probably isn't the sub for you, then.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:46 AM
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Going your own way means you have renounced women. Nope. It means not being controlled legally or financially by anyone--man or woman. I think you may wanna stick to r/MGTOW, brah.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:44 AM
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I'm MGTOW and I date. Some do, some don't. Calm your tits, man. If you don't wanna date, cool. But MGTOW literally stands for Men Going THEIR OWN Way. Which means doing what the fuck you want. I like dating and I like fucking. So I do. I am just not silly enough to marry her, have kids with her, or move in with her. Doesn't cause problems for me at all.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:43 AM
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So? I don't plan on having any more children. And if the girl I was dating wasn't ok with that, then I wouldn't date her. but as a man who never wants to have a child, those lyrics scare me. Why does that scare you? You realize that you are 100 percent in control of your own birth control right. Don't fuck without using your own condoms, pull out even when using a condom, or get a vasectomy. Not only that, but it's pretty common knowledge that in there late mid to late 20 to mid-30's chicks want…
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:39 AM
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MGTOW guys in the dating scene? Why are you confused? You can date and be MGTOW. MGTOW isn't anti-women or anti-sex. It's anti-marriage. You can date without getting married, or living together. lol
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:15 AM
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So a question for MGTOW guys in the dating scene right now: Does your partner initiate sex more than you or is it the other way around? I'd say it's pretty even. We mostly hang out and hook up every time she comes over or I go to her house. Netflix and chill. But we have a lot in common, so it works out because besides being sexually compatible, we have the same interests and likes. AND she got burned in her marriage and she'll never marry again, so no drama for me there either. You guys need to…
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:12 AM
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Of course I would walk away. It's the only reason I have a gf! lol And it's why I keep things light and easy w my gf. I can walk away anytime with no financial or legal liabilities. I'm not afraid to have a gf! As long as you don't get married, have kids, or live w the person, all is good. This way I can have sex with someone I know and like. And if sex went away, I would just move on. Just like Chads do.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 12:09 AM
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Because why would he when he can have any female he wants any night week with many on the side too all lined up for him Exactly. I am no chad but I did the same thing before this GF. And even now, it's a very independent relationship and I have no ties to her. Chads are the ultimate MGTOW actually. Until they get fat and married and then divorced lolololol
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 09:33 PM
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Dating is fine. Having women friends is fine. Loving your mother and your sisters is fine. MGTOW means doing your own thing and not marrying or cohabitating, because there are legal implications that are unavoidable. Agreed!
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 07:30 PM
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Don't worry too much about what your mom says, brother. She's a force to be reckoned with in your life now, because you are young. Trust me, once you are out on your own, you parents have very little they can do to cause you drama. Also, you can have a gf and be MGTOW. I have a gf. The key is not to live w her, or marry her, or have children w her. All of those things can put you in financial jeopardy if things don't work out. Soyou can date just fine and be MGTOW, because no one can affect you …
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 06:51 PM
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You can still date and go out and have fun while being mgtow, brah. You're not am monk (unless you choose to be one)> Just don't get married, live w a chick or have kids with her, so that your financial future isn't up for grabs. Other than that, have fun! Get laid and enjoy life.
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 02:59 PM
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Oh good point, I haven't been following since I don't have the money, but my point was buy when everything is low. So ya, if it's high now, nope. But hey, I don't have any money to invest yet, so all good.
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 02:46 PM
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Exactly, my beard is dark, and I am tall and lean, so easy to pass as much younger. I guess I'm "trans-age" haha
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 02:45 PM
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Thanks brah, I'm doing exactly that!
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 02:43 PM
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Thanks for the tips, brother!
/r/MGTOW229/11/20 04:04 PM
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Employers are going to take one look are your resume and think call centre wtf? I have 18 years experience in the graphic design field, I am leaving the call center off of my resume, since I am only applying for graphic design related work. :)
/r/MGTOW229/11/20 04:03 PM
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How did you get into that line of work?
/r/MGTOW229/11/20 04:01 PM
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I'd suggest you invest some money in vasectomy (unless your pull out game is strong lol) I wrap it up AND pull out. I paid child support for 19 years. I love my kid and we're very close and talk/hang out all the time, so no regrets. But ya, I totally learned my lesson there! lol
/r/MGTOW229/11/20 12:34 AM
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so investing money in the stock market right now is a perfect time Yep, which is why I'm pissed that I didn't concentrate a little more on a career, so I'd have some extra cash right now. Because now is def the time to invest!!
/r/MGTOW229/11/20 12:32 AM
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I'd class MGTOW as vocels Plenty of MGTOW's have gf's tho. I'm one of them. We just choose not to marry them or let them move in with us. It's about not being financially and/or legally liable to anyone. If I break up w my gf, it's a clean break with no messiness or issues. That's MGTOW. You don't have to be celibate, or even single, to be MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 11:36 PM
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Stoicism and minimalism and having lots of extra money appeals to me. This is the way.
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 11:31 PM
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You had great points. I'd say that how I view MGTOW, in addition what you wrote, is that I don't put my financial and or legal security into anyone's hands--man or woman. My house is paid off, my cars are paid off and I have a gf that knows that I won't be moving in with her or marrying her. And I won't be taking on roommates, man or woman. Because I don't want to be tied up financially or legally. So for me, it's living debt-free, and being self-sufficient. Frees me up to move foward in other p…
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 11:30 PM
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Holy shit! Mad props to you, brother. Great plan, but not for me. I love USA, love my city, and my grown son lives here in town, so I plan to stick around. But that's fucking great that you had the balls to do that!!
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 11:20 PM
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Why don't you seek to get promoted to managerial roles? Thanks, brother. The company I currently work for is a call center. I'm just a call-rept there, and to be honest, just not a lot of room for promotions. Plus I think the company is a little bit sketchy. Great for an in-between job, but def not a career type place. I live pretty minimalist now, my house is paid off. My cars are paid off. No child support. No debt. So I literally could work at McDonalds and still be able to live. But it would…
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 11:16 PM
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Thanks! I was a graphic designer for 18 years. But it was for one company, and they were pretty out-of-date, so it was all print-based. The company I worked for was healthcare, so I don't have anything too nice for portfolio. So now I am upskilling to web development and updating my graphic design skills. I figure that if I master web development, with my graphic design background/experience, then I can maybe get some looks as I pursue my degree. But I have a fuckton to learn. So to look and be …
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 11:08 PM
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Success isolates you no matter what the background. Very good point!
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 10:16 PM
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Yep, and it's a very incel attitude too. Not saying OP is an incel, but he'd def getting close, with that attitude and tone.
/r/MGTOW226/11/20 04:26 PM
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Very true!
/r/MGTOW226/11/20 04:25 PM
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Why waste time on "sinister" people--men or women? Pick yourself up, do what you need to do to get your life in order, and move the fuck on. Blaming shit on other people will get you nowhere. I suggest checking out r/stoicism. You can't always be in control of what happens to you, but you CAN control how you react to it. Stay strong, brother.
/r/MGTOW226/11/20 12:19 AM
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Um, family pets are less upkeep than a child. Have you ever dated a chick with kids or had a kid?! lol Dude, you're missing the entire point of MGTOW anyway.. YOU have to find self-worth in YOURSELF, without the need of seeking validation from others--man or woman. If you date a chick and you feel you aren't getting enough value or attention, then break up and move on. That's the whole reason behind not being financially/legally tied to her in any way; so you can just cut ties, move on. But hey,…
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 11:55 PM
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Truth!
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 11:05 PM
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At this point it's cheaper fucking an actual person. True, I mean, I'd never fuck a doll, but ya, if I had $2,000 I'd just pace that out and pay for a chick ever weekor something. lol
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 11:04 PM
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I've also seen videos where the things look like a chore to deal with, clean, and store. Ugh, I never even thought of that part either. It's already sorta creepy, but ugh, the clean up.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 11:03 PM
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All good, brother. Peace be upon ya. We're all gonna make it thru life, one way or another.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 10:57 PM
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Hey, you get to go your own way, but personally, I find them creepy and weird. And I try not to judge, but ya, I'd prolly negatively judge a guy who was banging a doll. I mean, it's like a dead person laying there. <shudder>
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 10:56 PM
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stoicism will set u free Amen, brother. I recently stumbled up stoicism, and it changed my fucking life. This is the way!
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 10:29 PM
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I have no helpful advice, but wanted to say, stay strong, brother. I went thru the same thing when I first got divorced, but then I ended up gaining custody of my son and it ended up working out for me. But until that happened, I had a few years of harsh darkness and resentment. I do know how you feel. I was there. So def don't suicide, because things may change. Your son will eventually need you--sooner or later, so be there for him. Wishing you best of luck, brother.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 10:23 PM
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I think about working out, but my mind tells me, "why do you wanna work out, you're not doing it to impress anyone, plus you've accepted the fact that you're gonna die one day, so why make things better, just to lose it all in the end to old age. Well may as well look and feel good until old age then. Working out was the best thing I ever did for myself. I'm fit, healthy, and it improved my social/dating life by leaps and bounds. (I didn't do it for that reason, it just happened to be an awesome…
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 10:18 PM
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You sounded butthurt, that‘s why I couldn‘t refrain from trolling lol I wasn't butthurt at all. Dude, this thread is about people who got banned from r/mgtow and their stories. So I gave my story. That's it. The difference is in my opinion that men often get labeled incels and women get labeled feminists, when they speak up. Valid point, but since this is about r/mgtow, the specific sub on reddit, it isn't relevant. The whole reason r/mgtow2 (which is where you are right now, reading this!) was …
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 10:06 PM
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Agreed. As long as the she isn't crazy, nothing wrong with single moms. Not only that, but once OP gets out of his 20's, he'll realize that almost all women over age 30 who are single, usually have kids. A lot of people in this sub seem to never have dated anyone outside of their 20's lol
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 10:00 PM
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Yep!
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 09:50 PM
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Exactly!
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 09:50 PM
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I mean honestly is it that shocking? I would see after my kid before a woman too. I think its pretty logical. I think its more bigoted to wanting to be "her first priority" over the kid. Totally agreed! OP has obviously never had children. Which is fine, but to hate on a woman who makes her children a priority smacks of immaturity.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 09:49 PM
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No matter how much she may tell you she loves you or she cares for you, understand you will NEVER be a priority. Good! A woman's priority should be her children. As a man's priority should be his children. I have a gf (who I don't live with, so not financially linked to her at all), and I adore her kids, and they adore me. And I am totally fine w her kids taking priority. OP, that's a sign of good parenting. Now sure, not every woman is a great parent, just as not every guy is a great parent. Bu…
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 09:28 PM
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Why do you think I‘m an incel Well, you're defending a sub that is full of incels who call women "beef flaps." So if you aren't an incel, then why are you defending r/MGTOW and it's women-hating toxic atmosphere? Serious question.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 08:53 PM
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Ohhhh..a poor incel is mad at life, so he thinks that making fun of people who can actually fuck girls, will make him feel better. Good luck! lol
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 07:46 PM
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I'm not crying, just stating that you incels ruined the sub. Maybe stop blaming women for all of your problems?! lol Fucking incels, man...sigh...
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 07:14 PM
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I was married and had a long lasting relationship but she died.. Ever since then I've been mgtow and live the life of a self proclaimed monk.. Wow, that's some serious life changes going on there. Best of luck to ya, brother.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 01:32 AM
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I agree this sub should be about celebrating freedom and the opportunities it provides, not attacking women or men that date women. Totally right!
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 01:30 AM
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But you see lots of MTGOW guys being hateful angry middle aged dudes who can't screw young women Yep, and those losers totally ruin the image of what MGTOW is all about. You are right, it should be about men focus on themselves in a positive way.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 01:30 AM
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Because a lot of the people who claim to “go their own way” spend a ton of time complaining and hating women This!! Sooo much this!
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 01:28 AM
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Go over to r/mgtow and you'll see plenty of reasons why people get the wrong idea about what mgtow is. It's basically a sub of incels over there now.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 01:28 AM
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I like your style, brother. This is the way.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 01:14 AM
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Good points!
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 12:58 AM
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I believe I can simplify MGTOW to just one bare basic and universal principle: Women are not the center of our personal life. That's it. It's genius in it's simplicity. I make it even more universal: NO ONE (man or woman) should be the center of our personal lives if there can be potential negative liabilities. We should not seek nor need validation from any person.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 12:54 AM
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We're supposed to be a community of men with their own goals and lifestyles but here we're acting like a cult. I only have one rule, to myself: don't ever compromise your values for a woman (society). Truth! I think the "rules" for mgtows shouldn't be limited to just women; I apply it to all people in my life. Never enter into a contract with anyone (man or woman) that can end up affecting you in a negative way. I have a gf, but I will never get married again or live with anyone ever again. And …
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 12:49 AM
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"No long-term relationships" -- nothing wrong with them if you can avoid the legal entanglements in my opinion. Agreed. I have a gf, and if we break up, then we move on. We don't own anything together, haven't created anything together, and we don't live together. She has her shit. I have mine. Very easy to be MGTOW and have a gf when there are no legal/financial ramifications,no chance of pregnancy, and no drama. In fact, I'd go so far as to say, for me, it's actually EASIER to mgtow while I ha…
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 12:37 AM
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Sure just tell the adoption agency you're MGTOW Outside fo reddit, very few people have ever heard of MGTOW. Reddit is NOT a majority of the population. lol
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 12:35 AM
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I'll agree with the marriage and cohabitation points. But I will disagree w the girlfriend points. If you have a nice, stable gf that has a job, her own place, and her own car, and is not super clingy/needy, it's very easy to live a MGTOW lifestyle. I know, because I have gf and I consider myself a follower of MGTOW. If me and her break up, it won't affect my financial, legal, or emotional scenarios at all.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 12:33 AM
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IMHO she fucks other guys, she fucks you a little to keep you around I doubt it, since she has 3 kids and works full time. But even if she did, I'm not so emotionally attached that it would affect my life. She has no reason to lie to me or even to stick around since she makes more money than I do, and her lifestyle is much nicer than mine. I don't buy her stuff, she doesn't buy me stuff, and I'm no emotional crutch. I think you are a little more than an orbiter for her. I think that's your bias …
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 02:49 PM
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Do what you want, go your own way This is the way.
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 01:19 AM
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Mgtow very simply put is "do not enter into any contract with someone who will benefit from breaking it." And that's exactky what a marriage is. YES! Exactly my thoughts, but you worded it better. Maybe we need this added to a MGTOW FAQ list or sticky or something. I have a gf, but I consider myself MGTOW because I am not tied to her in any way that would have legal/financial implications for me. Which is why I would never marry her, have children with her, or co-habitat with her. She's got her …
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 01:17 AM
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I have a gf, but I consider myself MGTOW in spirit. I am independent. She has her own place. Her own job. I get no pressure from her, and she gets none from me. I mean, it's almost a FWB, but we don't bang anyone else outside the relationship because we are really good in bed w each other and have known each other forever so no desire to try anything outside this relationship right now. So it's perfect for me. Sure, it could change if she wanted more or I wanted more or something, but for now, i…
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 01:11 AM
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Not sure if it's futile. I mean, it obviously works for some people. I see no reason to get married (again). I am perfectly content w my girlfriend. She's divorced too, and she has no desire to get married or live together and I don't either. So it works perfect. I think getting married DEFINITELY puts your financial/emotional future at risk. I'm friends w a military guy, and he just got married this past weekend. After dating her for 4 weeks. He's 23, in the army, and just got married to a chic…
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:54 AM
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and more about riding our motorcycles, doing projects and actually living our own lives... Yep, I loved the posts that talked about guys breaking up w their gf, then decided to focus on career/school/whatever and then just really getting successful at it since they had no distractions. But meh, now it's all about incels bitching about never kissing a girl, being short and hating chads. I'm hoping this sub doesn't go down that way.
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:47 AM
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Please, tell me this subreddit is different and better. I'm here hoping this too!
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:41 AM
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It's also a testament to the danger of never developing a sense of individuality that even a movement based on leaving the herd becomes another bottom feeding cult. Great insight!
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:40 AM
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This person is exactly why mgtow aren't taken seriously. Yep. And if this sub starts to get taken over by guys like him, then I'll happily unsub.
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:36 AM
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Sure, some men def get discriminated against in family courts. and lots of men don't get to see their kids as much as they want because of that discrimination. I personally faced that in my custody battle. Now I ended up winning, so it worked out, but it cost me a LOT more money than it should have to over come that discrimination. But brah, there are still lots of guys that willingly abandon their kids. In fact, that's what makes it hard for the fathers who don't.
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:35 AM
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99% of MGTOWs are just coping incels Yep, they have definitely taken over the movement. Maybe we need to start a new movement but use a different name!?
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:32 AM
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i thought mgtow was about excepting female nature and simply choosing to live your life on your own terms by not chaining yourself with a wife Great definition. I agree with this! I think one can be MGTOW and have a gf (as long as you don't have a child with her, live with her, or have any financial things w her), but if ya have a wife, then ur in a contract and your future can be affected, so not really MGTOW
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:28 AM
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There’s nothing in MGTOW that is based on being negative to women. This! MGTOW is celebrating men's right to be single if they chose to be. Women aren't the problem, it's guys thinking that the only way they can be happy is to be in a relationship. I actually think MGTOW can be done just fine while in a good, healthy relationship. I have a gf, but I am not attached to her financially, emotionally, or legally. She's a cool chick, and we get along. But she has her own place and money, and I have m…
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:22 AM
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Not banned, but please just shut down MGTOW Agreed. That sub is toxic.
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:08 AM
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One poster in that sub kept referring to women and "beef flaps." So I pointed out that saying shit like that was why lots of people misunderstood what MGTOW was about. Boom! Banned! I wasn't name calling or anything, just pointing out flaw in there tone and stuff. That sub just blames every single problem on women, rather than just celebrating singledom. It's so toxic over there than when people see I post here, they start talking about balding incels, etc. Um, ladies and gents, that's the other…
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 12:05 AM
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Avoid divorces. And the leading cause of divorce is marriage. YEP. Pump and dump. FWB. Random hookups. Whatever. But the minute you get married and/or get someone knocked up, your future is no longer yours. (I have a kid, who I love and adore, so no regrets, but it was definitely trying at times because I had to deal with his mother a lot. He's an adult now, so no more dealing w her ever again)
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 02:53 AM
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To me, MGTOW is about individual responsibility, not collective. It's acknowledgment of the fact that noone cares about you so you have to. And find the inner strength to accept this, and take care of your needs yourself instead of expecting help. This. I said it in another post, but your words really drive it home: Stoicism and MGTOW work really well together.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 02:51 AM
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Good post OP. I came here thinking this was gonna be some lame anti-woman rant. But I like how you talk of leadership and brotherhood. We can do this by supporting men and not belittling their anxieties I should work on this because so many redditors crying about the anxiety makes me want to smack them and tell them to grow some balls. But you have a really good point. Fuck it, I just tried for a second to be nicer, but nope! You fucking redditors who cry about anxiety and how the pandemic keeps…
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 02:49 AM
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This is the way.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 02:43 AM
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Dude, you are not gonna find a servant wife. In any culture. If want a companion, then go the FWB route or pump and dump. But the wife thing can fuck up ur shit quick. Not only that, but if you get married and it doesn't work out, they get a percentage of whatever you have. I actually think you can be MGTOW and have a gf, but brah, the one thing you definitely can NOT do, is get married. If you get married, to anyone, you put your finances in someones else's hands. Unless you're in the middle ea…
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 02:40 AM
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I'm old so I've been in lots of relationships. Some short, some long. I have a wonderful son who I'm close to (he's an adult now), so I can't regret my past choices, it ended up working out for me. The key to success in all of this, is raising your standards, and deciding what you want out of life. I consider myself a MGTOW even tho I am in a relationship, because this relationship doesn't drain me mentally, financially, or emotionally. And she has her own place, her own money, her own interests…
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 02:30 AM
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If you are still looking for work and stressed, then don't treat the pandemic like a vacation. Looking for a job, is your job right now. Wake up early, on time every day. Take lunch break same time every day. Do what the other posters mentioned, network, look for jobs, upskill job-related skills every day. The only one who can create a sense of normalcy is you. Have a fixed schedule, take weekends off, etc.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 02:21 AM
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Did he get fired from his job because of her though? Unless this is a small town of 500 people, I don't see how that could happen. Places don't just fire people because some chick starts rumors. But to your bigger point, he's dealing w a crazy ex-gf. In a month, they'll both have moved on and life will be quiet. No one really takes that shit seriously unless it's like a "called the police on him" sorta thing. Other than that, it's just personal drama that he probably thinks/feels is affecting hi…
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 02:18 AM
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I'm 57, and was going to be retiring at 60. Now, I'll be lucky to retire at 70 Fuck that noise. Now's the time to start getting rich!
/r/MGTOW08/01/19 08:02 PM
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On my way to this myself, brother. My house and cars are paid off and I have no debt. I still have a gf, but she doesn't live with me or have any ties to my money or my belongings.
/r/MGTOW08/01/19 05:53 PM
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And reddit hates anyone with money and thinks that every millionaire is "just lucky." I'm not cool with the huge amount of anti-women stuff I see in this sub, but OP's post is pretty awesome. I love reading about self-made individuals.
/r/MGTOW08/01/19 03:21 PM
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This. I have only had one chick ask for that, and she was easily the best lay I ever had. 4 times with her and then she got a job in another state about 6 months ago, so that fun ended way too soon.
/r/MGTOW05/01/19 09:59 PM
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What exactly is incel thinking? I was referring to the ones here who call women "roast beef flaps" or "femoids" ect. Are you saying you have never noticed some of the more extreme guys who say that and call everyone esle "fucking cucks!"?! Those extreme guys, who I would argue are incels, and are filled with hate, unfortunately are the loudest. And most visible. So it brings down the MGTOW movement. And that is why many portray MGTOW as "lonely losers", as the OP put it. I am actually pro-MGTOW.…
/r/MGTOW18/11/18 08:35 PM
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Often times you all get stereotyped as lonely losers because of the many posts here that overlap incel thinking. Calling women "roast beef flaps" and "femoids" does nothing to add respect to your cause. Also the number of you who have never dated or had much experienced dating, then going on how much you hate women makes you sound like grumpy, grown-up incels. I like many of the ideas of MGTOW, but just because I still date and fuck women, I got roasted pretty hard here. I'm never getting marrie…
/r/MGTOW18/11/18 05:04 PM
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Ok, if ur really fat, yea, stop being fat. That's even easier than the rest of the stuff I listed. No one wants to hang around a depressed 300 lb loser. You own your life, man. Live it. Change yourself
/r/MGTOW17/11/18 09:13 PM
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Actually, yes, it does matter. You are giving everything up, but you have no experience with what it is that you're giving up. Now, feel free to give up women. Many in this sub will agree with you. But to do just because you don't know how to talk to women and have never been laid is silly, in my opinion. You are the typical "nice guy" that is cringy around women. Ok, that sucks, but you know what? That's easy to fix. Work on yourself, your personality, and you can start dating. Women do place m…
/r/MGTOW17/11/18 05:54 PM
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Yep, definitely sounds like this was written by a virgin. Where you from, OP?
/r/MGTOW16/11/18 04:10 PM
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