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Men who are successful in the dating market don’t need to be redpilled because they already intuitively know about the contents of the ideology. Those who need to be redpilled are mostly not that successful. So yes, red pill ideology is not exclusive to a fringe minority of basement dwellers. Being a Redpiller is though. Doesn’t mean that many Redpillers don’t learn to change their life around and find success with their strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:49 PM
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I agree with you for the most part. The hurdles you described probably stem from men not knowing whether they are looking for casual sex or a long term relationship. They are confused about what they want, so the selection criterias get muddy. Some are just plain hypocritical and think they can have it all, which just isn’t realistic. I think the advantages of being non-promiscuous show themselves later in life and even then aren’t really recognized as such. Promiscuous women have statistically …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:04 PM
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Yes, it’s a problem to people that think that we should kill people if they are a financial burden to our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:13 PM
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“The only problem with this is that the childcare system uses tax payer money” It’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:16 AM
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„Let’s kill people if they are a financial burden to our society” - AltACCboyos
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:04 AM
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Because there is no incentive for women to jump on an online forum and start defending men. Many women are really sensible to prevailing opinions and they make sure that they don’t hurt their public image by whatever they say. On the internet, people also only feel compelled to air out opinions when they feel strong emotions like anger about something. So when there are claims that low body counts are important, you mostly see the angry replies by promiscuous women. Both "We lie because men judg…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:36 AM
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They are probably not the same women. Non-promiscuous women might not feel an immediate advantage for that and constantly see men they like fuck other promiscuous women. While promiscuous women might feel like they are entitled to lie because they are not comfortable with the idea that they actively harmed their probability of having a successful long term relationship. Men don’t care about promiscuity when it comes to casual sex but they rightfully do so when it comes to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 10:06 AM
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Yeah, this is probably right
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:31 AM
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No, I transitioned. Currently on green card and waiting for my citizenship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:20 AM
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I identify as rich American man though. I swear my Turkish Lira smell and feel the same as US Dollars. You’re missing out on this one
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:15 AM
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I’m rich in Turkish Lira. Can I shoot my shot with you? I can’t currently buy anything with it but this would probably be more of a casual relationship anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:06 AM
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What’s the difference between a man you want to fuck and a man you dont want to fuck? I don’t understand the problem tbh. They both have penisses. They’re both men in every way. Trans women are not entitled to sex with straight men. Trans women are not entitled to an explanation. Also: Straight men are attracted to the female sex, not the female gender. Any kind of surgeries are part of the gender transitioning and don’t turn anyone into a different sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 11:41 PM
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I was actually thinking about putting ‘scholars’ in quotes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 11:25 PM
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Anyone who encounters problems in the real dating world unfortunately won’t get good advice out there. The advice here is indeed depressing, only sees black and white and is biased by people unsuccessful with dating but it’s still a lot closer to the truth than what they’ll hear elsewhere. The advice is depressing because the sexual market is depressing. There’s just no need to know that unless you are forced to experience it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:28 PM
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They found that a 6-foot man earning $62,500 per year is, on average, as desirable as a similar 5′6″ man who earns $237,500. In other words, those six inches of height are worth about $175,000 in salary in the dating market. Interesting to see the concept of ’men compensating for looks‘ and women‘s prioritization of selection criteria expressed in raw numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:06 PM
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It’s a metaphysical category. Nothing tangible or provable to exist. Scholars like Judith Butler used to describe it as a performative social construct that is probably inextricably linked with stereotypes. People in other times might have called it soul. But I don’t invalidate trans people the same way I don’t invalidate other people that believe in other metaphysical categories like religion. I believe that they all truly believe that what they believe is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 09:15 PM
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When domestic violence is defined to include any kind of hitting and who hits first then it’s relatively even between both genders. Only when you examine who is harmed more seriously, who expresses more fear, and who experiences subsequent psychological problems then domestic violence is significantly gendered toward women as victims. Source
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 09:10 PM
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I can’t wait for OP’s next theories: Men are more driven because they are more interested in cars Men are calculated because they are overrepresented in STEM Women are two-faced because they wear more make-up Women don’t like players because they play less video games
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:47 PM
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Many straight men are sexually attracted to the female sex, not necessarily the female gender. Hence they’re not attracted to trans women. That’s not necessarily homophobia or transphobia. But I’m sure trans women do find success with bisexual and closeted straight men. Trans men might have better chances with cis women because many women are more fluid in their sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:18 PM
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He’s right. Leave while you can. Only come back if you encounter problems in the outside dating world. The pills have really fucked some people up mentally because they didn’t have real life experiences to counterbalance them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 07:50 PM
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Doesn’t change the fact that the user above thinks that Brock Turner is the one oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:55 PM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:38 PM
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So you agree with my aforementioned comment? And your mom growing up privileged was actually her being oppressed? And her being able to afford being an SAHM while most people in this country can’t live of only one person’s income is your mom having a disadvantage?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:37 PM
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I actually agree. Privilege is the wrong word because it implies that whatever advantage that certain group has should be taken away. I’d much rather have an emphasis on the disadvantages that a group has so we can focus on changing those. But conflating oppression and privilege is just cancelling both concepts out and making it impossible to have meaningful conversations about social dynamics. If every privilege was oppression you would be advocating for all privileges to be eradicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:32 PM
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So rich people are oppressed because they face less responsibility in society. And so are heteronormative cis people. And pretty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:26 PM
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What is male privilege then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:23 PM
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So you think Brock Turner not getting jail time after raping an unconscious girl was actually the judge oppressing him? Not Brock Turner having male privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:10 PM
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And when feminists criticize that adult men are often given the excuse of ‘still being boys’, would you also call that oppression of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 04:53 PM
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Hot take: Women need a physical bond for a long lasting emotional bond. Men need an emotional bond for a long lasting physical bond. Otherwise, women will get sexually frustrated and blame it on the men‘s personality while men won’t have an incentive to to deal with the lack of sexual novelty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:51 PM
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Most women talk and think bluepilled while they act redpilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:21 PM
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What men can learn from blue pill is that there are no absolutes. There’s an exception to every rule and it’s never all men or all woman. Apart from that there’s not much to learn. I also wouldn’t generally consider women to be bluepilled. I don’t even know if you can even assign one of the pills fully to most women. They may act redpilled and talk bluepilled. Or it might be a mix of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 09:43 PM
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Sounds like a societal upward spiral to me. Women constantly pressure men to get better. Pretty horrible for individuals, pretty efficient for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:33 PM
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Oh, that’s a really good point. It does all cater to the male gaze.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:53 PM
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I don’t dispute that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:04 PM
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I still think the word is appropriate. And to use your whipped cream metaphor: You always get your chocolate milk with whipped cream, because you like it with whipped cream. It’s what you are used to. You don’t know it any different. But now when its about buying a lifetime supply of chocolate milk, you suddenly realize that you simply can’t afford that supply with whipped cream. There’s just not enough whipped cream around for everyone to get it, so the prices skyrocket. You decide that you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:57 PM
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I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree because this argument is revolving around semantics. You obviously agree with my main argument and the concept I described - you just don’t like the words I use.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:46 PM
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I’ll just quote myself again. I’m making a claim of prevelance
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:44 PM
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The argument I’m making is that your minimum for casual sex is higher than your minimum for relationships. And because the minimum or the bar is slightly lowered for relationships, I describe that as settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:40 PM
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Ah, now I get our misunderstanding. I was referencing casual sex in that comment, meaning „modest women aren’t open to casual sex“. The commenter prior asked if the problem was that men only went for promiscuous women and I meant to reply to that men also go for modest women but that that obviously doesn’t work out because modest women aren’t open to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:37 PM
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Your first comment was Most young attractive guys are dating young attractive women. And I have been explaining to you, that I never claimed the opposite. Now you claim that non-rich women date younger guys too. That doesn’t pertain to my argument either as I’m making a claim of prevelance. When I make the statement that human beings have two hands, that statement isn’t invalidated by the fact that there are human beings with only one hand, because it is a statement of prevelance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:33 PM
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So you settle on the things that are less important in order not to settle on the things that are more important to you. I don’t know why you think this statement is controversial or offensive. Looks are important. Just not as important as all the other qualities. And that’s fine. But arguing that looks are a non-factor is disingenuous and honestly kinda sexist because it plays into the trope of ‚women not being sexual and only caring about personality‘.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:26 PM
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Okay, I think you might have a problem with reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:20 PM
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In men’s eyes, promiscuity lowers women‘s value for LTRs but not for casual sex. That doesn’t stand in the way of the comparison I made.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:14 PM
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Yup. But I would argue that men are bit more prone to believe that their younger partner actually likes them and isn’t in it for the money or green card. Rich Cougars just want sex and aren’t dumb enough to let feelings get involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:11 PM
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I did not say that young guys only date old woman. I said the only woman who date younger guys are old rich women, explaining why that scenario is only rarely seen. If you tried to follow the argument I was making in the comment you should have been able to figure that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:05 PM
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Your are settling on looks, so you don’t have to settle on the qualities that are important to you. It’s a simple and logical trade-off to make and I’m not making a moral judgement on it. Why does the word settle bother you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:01 PM
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Try reading that comment again in the context of OP‘s question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:58 PM
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I did not say that a relationship minded woman isn’t open to an relationship? I just said: „both modest woman and a promiscuous woman will respond positively to a man wanting a LTR if he fulfills the requirements (…)“
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:55 PM
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The bar for looks isn’t higher, hence settle. The bar for other qualities is higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:52 PM
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Modest women and promiscuous women don’t differ in their sexual attraction. They just choose to act differently on it when it comes to casual sex for various reasons. So both modest woman and a promiscuous woman will respond positively to a man wanting a LTR if he fulfills the requirements stated in my first comment. He’ll still have to be above a certain threshold of attractiveness though - the threshold just isn’t as high as for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:45 PM
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Well, we agree then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:35 PM
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Men have a much lower bar for what they consider attractive, than women. Men would absolutely go for more modest women - but as you say, they probably won’t be open to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:28 PM
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So I can't really agree with any of the whole this gender only focuses on looks nonsense. But I've been asked on dates because I was a husky fella just as often as I've bee. Shot down because of it. That means, whether you got a date or whether you were rejected, it always came down to your looks. Saying that Gender X values looks doesn’t mean they all have the same opinion on what’s attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:24 PM
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Women value looks just as much as men, if not more than men, when it comes to casual sex. But when it’s about LTRs, women will settle for less attractive men if they are skilled, wealthy and more likely to be faithful. Men on the other hand still value looks in their LTRs. The only women who date younger attractive guys, are old rich woman who don’t give a shit about stability and don’t plan to get more children. But these guys are more likely to be long term boy toys, rather than respected part…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:12 PM
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Noah is rude, manipulative and has no sense of boundaries. Lon is mature, respectful, well spoken, funny and understands Allie’s need of personal space. When Noah wanted to date Allie he forced her to say yes by manipulating her. When Lon wanted a date, he asked politely, then listened to what Allie said and waited until it was the right time. Noah is Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:50 PM
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80/20 rule is about casual sex. This is where women only go for the top 20%. It looks different in LTRs where it can make sense to settle for a less attractive man, if it increases the probability of faithfulness and stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:29 PM
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I want to provide a better life for my future kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:36 PM
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Being a SAHM is an incredible task that requires a lot of skills. You can’t be a SAHM without organizational talent, resilience, stress-resistance, foresight, emotional intelligence, multitasking skills and so many other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:30 PM
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Hell women don't even have to orgasm to have children. These are the takes responsible for people not taking evolutionary psychology seriously. Woman have sex drives seperate from any kind of evolutionary instinct to reproduce. A lot of women experience even higher libido after menopause, when they can’t even get pregnant anymore. Women like sex. And if they don’t get it from their partner, they’re also inclined to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:09 PM
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Both are scum. But women tend to be a lot more calculated when they do it, while men are more impulsive in the event an opportunity arises.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 03:41 PM
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Wait. Do you actually believe that women are ‘non-promiscuous princesses that don’t have a sex drive apart from their partners’ and that this is not an act and they are not lying? And the whole first half of your paragraph sounds like a cheater’s manifesto - full of dumb apologism. Don’t get into relationships with people with whom you are unable to communicate about your sex life. It’s that easy. And if one man isn’t sufficient to make you orgasm, don’t get into relationships* period and seek y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:21 PM
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Tribal cultures are just as capable as industrialized cultures in overcoming evolutionary instincts and even and developing traditions that go in the contrary direction. So the fact that there are tribal cultures who do not value paternal certainty, does not in itself invalidate the claim that paternal certainty is a evolutionary response. And before you misunderstand me, I’m not arguing that it is or isn’t an evolutionary response - I don’t know that. Just saying that your argument isn’t capabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:06 PM
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You still don’t seem to understand the definition of civilization in Unwin’s context. The USA formed a new civilization when it was founded. And the collapse of civilizations isn’t linked to people literally dying off. In most cases civilizations are taken over by other civilizations. Or their institutions collapse rendering their state unable to act.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:18 PM
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Yeah, Unwin’s claim is only a claim of correlation. He explicitly says that he doesn’t know if there’s causation between the variables, although he does has his theories. One of them being that sexually restrained energy is redirected towards creative endeavors that benefit the flourishing of the society. I don’t personally agree with that theory though
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:57 PM
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Yup, a huge number of men would take back their cheating partner. They are left with basically no self-esteem or pride after the cheating. So nothing except for the fear of public humiliation holds them back from taking the easy route of taking their partner back and deluding themselves that they can thereby restore their pride.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:46 PM
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Damn, this really hit home for you I guess. If you really mean what you say, you probably don’t have a problem with your SO cheating, since he isn’t your’s and you aren’t his. Why are you on this thread then? And I hope you don’t ever get into a situation where you depend on your SO sacrificing his own health to protect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:42 PM
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If you can’t deal with a man ‘claiming’ you, why even get into a relationship? And are you interested in having OPs question answered or would you rather hear a politically correct bullshit answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:35 PM
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I think men understand the act of cheating as their SO submitting to another men. That doesn’t just invoke feelings of betrayal, but of insufficiency, questioning their own masculinity and their own worth as a human being as their genetics obviously weren’t worth procreating with. They are also confronted with a side of their SO that they probably haven’t been exposed to. Women can spend decades pretending to be the loving, caring, non-promiscuous princess that doesn’t have a sex drive apart fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:23 PM
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Unwin sees sexual restraint more as as necessary condition for flourishing, not as sufficient condition. So sexual restraint alone won’t do the trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:15 PM
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Extremly attractive rich man. As extremely attractive rich woman I’d probably find it hard to find a suitable partner that I’d respect enough to fuck or settle down with. Ain’t no broke and ugly ass dudes getting a look at my five-figure luxury lingerie.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:31 PM
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It’s not included because it didn’t occur in the civilizations he studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 06:50 PM
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And incredibly progressive for its time. The book concludes with the assertion that, in order to maintain a rationalistic society, women should enjoy the same legal rights as men and that the condition for a high level of cultural achievement lies in restricting prenuptial sexual opportunity rather than a state of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 06:30 PM
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We are not talking of human civilization in general but of civilizations akin to empires, nations and cultures. The US civilization isn’t even 250 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 06:28 PM
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Thanks for adding that!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:51 PM
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Well, I can’t argue that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:45 PM
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I’ll just quote my second to last comment… Sexual restraint has been expected from men throughout history. (…) If everyone adheres to that is another question. And just to remind you, this is your comment I’ve been replying to: Sexual restraint even back then was only expected from women. So I don’t know where you get the notion that I think everyone adhered to the cultural norms of their times. That’s like saying crime didn’t exist because there were laws. I was arguing that sexual restraint wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 05:44 PM
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Yeah, no point arguing with people uncapable of critical thought and a good faith discussion. Should have stopped engaging with you after you made your first straw man argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:54 PM
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Yeah, I acknowledged the primitivity of birth control before the pill, but it was in no way only used by sex workers. And there was women’s education in the Roman empire. And Unwin would probably argue that the fading of firm rationalism and the notion of objective truth in a society is precisely what would allow another society to ideologically take over.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:53 PM
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There were society’s in history ruled by religious leaders. Religion and societies were inextricably linked throughout history. Did you even read the post? And I think I answered the point about Catholic priests in my last comment: Catholic priests are still expected to be celibate. If everyone adheres to that is another question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:47 PM
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The measure stated in my post is this: the single most important correlation with the flourishing of a culture was whether pre-marital chastity was required or not. It’s about societal expectations and values. Again, if it wa solely about having premarital sex, there wouldn’t have been an era of sexual restraint in the history of humanity. Marriage is losing relevance in today’s society. Less and less people are getting married, less and less people are monogamous and more importantly - more and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:44 PM
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I didn’t claim Pythagoras had something to with abrahamic religions. I was countering your claim of sexual restraint only being expected from women with examples. And you’re wrong in that regard. Sexual restraint has been expected from men throughout history. Catholic priests are still expected to be celibate. If everyone adheres to that is another question. Neither did women adhere to that throughout history - or why do you think there are so many forms of parental anxiety in so many different …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:38 PM
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As far as I understand there aren’t really reliable indicators because even less subtle signs of sexual interest such, such as very sexy clothing, could always be meant for another man. And women also avoid sending reliable and unmistakable signals for fear of seeming promiscuous. But ignoring physical signals, while focussing on emotional signals seems to help. ’While it is true that women may dress in sexier clothing (such as revealing more skin or wearing the color red) to signal sexual inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:34 PM
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There’s no female sexual liberty without female economic and political freedom. How would that work otherwise? How would a woman be unrestricted in her sexuality if she societally depends on her husband? I’m sure you’re capable of enough critical thinking to acknowledge that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:29 PM
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I would certainly agree that a return to an overly religious society would be a step backwards. And so would Unwin since he thinks overcoming the deistic stage is necessary for a civilization’s flourishing. But women’s education and the decline of religious beliefs isn’t exclusive to our time. And there were (albeit very primitive) forms of birth control. And I doubt that religious beliefs are on the rise in the west. There was just a report today of half a million people leaving the church in G…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:26 PM
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So, if 1700s France was sexually liberated, why the need for all the secrecy? Why was marriage still an important institution? Why the pressure to appear monogamous? Premartial sex has always happened. Thats why people even considered laws banning it. The question is if these societies condone it, praise it and encourage it. Following your argument, there hasn’t ever been any kidn of sexual restraint society because people were having premarital sex somewhere. So you think women were actually ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:20 PM
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Most abrahamic religions require sexual restraint from both genders. Pythagoras in the 6 century BCE thought the loss of semen was dangerous and spiritually exhausting. Throughout history people believed that a lack of male abstinence caused a reduction of vitality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:15 PM
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Unwin was an advocate for gender equality back in the 1930s. And of course fading religious beliefs make room for rationalism and therefore technological flourishing of societies. That’s what Unwin is saying. Unwin is not making a claim of how things should be. He’s making an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:09 PM
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The Napoleonic Code after the french revolution still classified women as second class citizens. How much sexual freedom do think is possible without political and economic independence? Are you seriously arguiung there hasn’t been any change to sexual liberty in France since the early 1800s? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:05 PM
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Yeah sure, 1700s France was liberated… Women weren’t even allowed to vote for more than one and a half centuries after the french revolution “Young women knew that they should be careful about intercourse because they were likely to get pregnant quickly, and sleeping around damaged their reputations. They tried to be sure that their partners were serious about marriage, sometimes – like Anne Rubard – getting written promises to marry that they could show their friends and neighbours in a kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:01 PM
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The Oxford University Press peer reviews all of their scholarly publishings. And of course scientific and technological advancement is correlated with fading deistic beliefs. I think I said that three times already? That is the point Unwin is making. When the Western Roman empire fell, civilization started back at stage one. A lot of technological knowledge was lost and the dark ages represent the first three stages that Unwin describes. And considering the topic of courtship in 18th century Fra…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:56 PM
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Unwin isn’t claiming that sexually restraint peope are more rational. He observes that the rational phase of society is often followed by sexual liberty. These observations are made on a societal level though, not an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:33 PM
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Unwin’s claim isn’t that sexually restraint people are more rational. He’s not making claims about individuals. And if at all it would rather be the opposite: When societies become rational, they also become more sexually liberated. But sexual freedom on a societal level is followed by decline of rationality on the societal level. The observation isn’t happening on an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:30 PM
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Unwin obviously has a definition for ‘flourishing’ but I’m not going to copy the whole damn book in my reddit post. He measures flourishing by the four stages I described and taking into terms of architecture, art, engineering, literature, agriculture and so forth under consideration. If you want to hear his detailled definition I’ll have to refer you to his book. But I can already hear you crying about ‘anthropology and ethnology not being real sciences’…. And yes the transition from deism to r…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:25 PM
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Unwin is not making an argument of how things should be. He’s makintg a claim of how things have been and might be in the future. Unwin himself was an advocate of gender equality back in the 1930s. And his description of sexual restraint was equally focused on men and women, if not more on the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:12 PM
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That could very well be. Doesn’t really pertain to Unwin’s argument though. But yeah, we’re probably the first generation of humans capable of destroying the whole species.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:06 PM
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No one said we were doomed as a species. The word civilization in Unwin’s case is also just limited to specific countries/cultures. He’s not talking about the end of the world, which should be clear by the fact that he’s basing his observations on past civilizations that came and went. And to your point: That seems to indicate that for the vase majority of human existence, marriage / pre-marital / post-marital considerations didn't exist. Well surprise, for the vast majority of human existence, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:05 PM
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The argument isn’t ‘Any civilization that had a downfall also had sexual freedom’. The argument is that culturally embedded sexual restraint is positively correlated with the flourishing of societies. The second argument is these societies progressively change their behavior towards more sexual freedom and that their then collapse after three generations. Unwin tested these hypotheses against 86 civilizations that he studied. To invalidate these hypothesis you could either find civilizations tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:00 PM
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Our attitude toward climate change and the lack of action towards it is another example of rationality and the notion of objective truth fading, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:45 PM
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The word civilization in this case is also limited to specific countries/cultures. Just because the Roman empire collapsed, didn’t mean the Ottoman empire also collapsed. I think some people are confusing the collapse of civilization with the end of the world which is not was is described here. Once a civilization falls and the next one starts anew.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:41 PM
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Yes, fading of deism is necessary to reach the rationalistic stage. But I think you’re misunderstanding the argument. Unwin was a renowned ethnologist and social anthropologist at Oxford University and Cambridge University. His job was to describe the pattern observed in over 80 civilizations and he was qualified to make a case for the strong correlation described above. He was less qualified to give reasons why those patterns were happening, which is why I didn’t include them in the post. Of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:37 PM
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The Roman empire was one of the most technologically advanced civilizations of their time. They had super advanced civil engineering, construction materials, transport technology, water suppy and a law system that still influences law systems today.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:29 PM
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The idea that deism and rationality go hand in hand is probably a misunderstanding caused by an unclear phrasing of mine. Unwin observed that civilizations evolve in four stages. First zoistic, which is a primitive stage where everyone is focussed on their day to day needs. Then monistic when superstitious beliefs are formed. Then deistic when powers of nature are attributed to a god or gods. Then rationalistic. Me lumping the fading of deism and rationalism together was to emphasize how we prog…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:23 PM
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It was pretty similiar towards the end of the Babylonian and the Roman empire with women having equal rights, being free to choose their sexual partners and the institution of marriage becoming less and less relevant. Unwin is not making a moral judgement but an observation. And the sexual freedom pertains to men and women. Unwin actually emphasizes the need for the restraint of male sexuality because his theory is that that energy is then used for creative endeavors that advance the society. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:15 PM
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‘Research consistently shows that men believe women are more sexually interested in them than women actually are. Interestingly, women also believe men are less sexually interested in them than men actually are. (…) Men’s tendency to overestimate women’s sexual interest may stem from three sources—women’s subtle signals of sexual interest; men’s emphasis on unreliable indicators of sexual interest; and the possibility that men have more to lose by underestimating rather than overestimating women…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 01:33 PM
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Crazy. Just saw that the average height in the WNBA is 5’9 while its 6’6 in the NBA. No wonder it’s not that exciting to watch
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 01:22 PM
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Wait, maybe I’m dumb af for asking, but are the goals the same height as in men’s basketball?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 01:15 PM
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Ahh, I guess they’re just idiots then
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:43 AM
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So are the conservative men spearheading our patriarchal society incapable of making laws that actually put men at an advantage or do they not want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:51 AM
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Of course there are. But 70% of divorces being initiated by women, the number of fathers in prision quadrupling in the last fourty years, the number of single moms tripling in the last sixty years and a quarter of single mothers receiving unemployment benefits indicates a trend. Single mothers are clearly not living easy lives - but I think the argument that was brought forward was, that the role of husbands and fathers is increasingly replaced by the government. And that many woman are therefor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:33 AM
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That footballer’s wife is an absolute power woman. Bless her
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:50 AM
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The baby daddies are probably imprisoned for non-violent drug offenses. And if not, it’s probably the single moms that kicked them out ‚because they deserve better’. And even if any lf the baby daddies wanted to be single dads they probably wouldn’t be granted sole custody because of the gender biases in the family court system.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:47 AM
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Teenage girls love for boy bands like the Beatles back in the day, Justin Bieber in recent history or K-Pop bands in the present is largely attributed to the fact that those artists didn’t or don’t appear overly masculine and were therefore non-threatening. Male K-Pop bands have really been emphasizing that androgynous look. On the other hand, androgyny might be a way for younger girls to avoid being sexualized. It has to be kind of traumatizing to be growing up in the social media age, where th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:07 AM
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Interesting - maybe that’s why we see all of these rapper’s male counterparts posing with money and cars because thats their preferred way of seeking validation. Maybe status is more important to them than appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:07 AM
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I hope you have fun in your future relationships where you and your partners racially fetishize each other. You and the woman you date seem to judge people through a very stereotypical lens and I’m glad for any black woman and any white man that are spared from dealing with you. Signed, a black dude who dates people for their personality and not their race.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:38 PM
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I have never heard Kevin Samuels being as disrespectful and insulting as you are right now. Just an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:33 PM
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