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Holy shit. Crazy story.
/r/Divorce_Men03/07/26 03:13 PM
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You can try low dose tadalafil as a starting point. Start with 2.5mg per day and go up to 5mg if you don’t have side effects. (There are added health benefits besides ED). Get your testosterone levels checks by someone who knows what they are doing. (Total testosterone, free testosterone, shbg, e2, prolactin and cortisol levels). Work on diet, sleep, exercise, stress relief by whatever works for you (yoga, meditation, kick boxing etc). Stop watching porn and stop masturbating for at least 8 week…
/r/Divorce_Men31/05/26 05:00 PM
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That subreddit is hilarious as well.
/r/Divorce_Men30/05/26 11:59 AM
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• ⁠How did you stay calm in the house while still living together? “Grey rock” don’t talk to her unless it is about the kids. If she talks about divorce stuff, say “I’m tired can you email me”. Otherwise your answers should be yes, no, maybe and I’ll get back to you on that later. • ⁠What mistakes should I avoid making right now? Don’t touch her ever. If she attacks you let her beat the shit out of you. Try not to be alone with her. • ⁠What helped you protect 50/50 custody? Don’t be a deadbeat. …
/r/Divorce_Men29/05/26 08:57 PM
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Average divorced guy is probably slightly overweight and not in shape, he also just had half his net worth chopped in half (plus child support and alimony). Younger girls require more time and money. Younger girls usually don’t went to date someone that is prioritizing their kids. These are generalizations but so is OP comment.
/r/Divorce_Men29/05/26 01:36 PM
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This is not the forum to openly discuss this topic. But there are verification sites.
/r/Divorce_Men21/05/26 01:31 AM
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LOL.
/r/Divorce_Men20/05/26 10:33 PM
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She was unfaithful on multiple occasions before I ever even considered it. Not that two wrongs make a right but that was my case.
/r/Divorce_Men20/05/26 10:28 PM
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The same way you don’t always get into an accident if you don’t wear your seatbelt. You take your chances.
/r/Divorce_Men20/05/26 10:25 PM
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Great experience most of time. About 20% of the time you will run into a provider that is meh. Did it while married and also while divorced. I’m going to get blasted and shamed and everything else. Once you receive oral from a professional you will wonder why you stayed married for so long to a woman that didn’t pleasure you properly. Getting laid on a semi regular basis will increase your confidence in talking to any woman no matter how beautiful she is. Then when you do hookup with a woman you…
/r/Divorce_Men20/05/26 12:39 PM
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NYC or Miami.
/r/seduction14/05/26 12:19 AM
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5 months? Hell no. You don’t get to really know someone until 2 years. If she has some ticking time clock you better explain to her that given your situation and your daughter’s situation that you need to take things slow. If she doesn’t understand that and can’t wait until the time is right then she is not for you. Don’t get suckered by getting this girl pregnant by accident. Don’t trust that she will take her birth control. Sounds sketchy.
/r/Divorce_Men13/05/26 01:15 AM
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Started in 40s after failed marriage.
/r/seduction10/05/26 04:48 AM
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Maybe we should start at subreddit for Dating Advice for Older Divorced Men.
/r/Divorce_Men01/05/26 01:12 PM
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The dating over 40 sub can be pretty bad but it does give the perspective on what women are thinking. I’m not saying their thought process makes sense. I would say just don’t be a simp but don’t go to the red pill extreme. You need to be something in between. It also depends on your goals. Are you someone that “needs” to be in a relationship or do you just want part time companionship? I personally would never want to move in with a woman again. I have not found anything on Reddit for your topic…
/r/Divorce_Men01/05/26 12:02 PM
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Depends on what you want. Some of us want low maintenance friends with benefits and not having to dump all our time and money resources into a beautiful 8 or 9 that is high maintenance.
/r/seduction24/04/26 05:37 PM
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Friends with benefits only. Don’t get serious. Unless you think she is worth $100k because you will be paying for it.
/r/Divorce_Men24/04/26 05:35 PM
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Tell her you are not ready, but enjoy her company and would be amenable to a friends with benefits relationship. But clearly state how often you would like to see her (once a week, twice a month etc).
/r/Divorce_Men20/04/26 05:49 PM
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Good point on the remarrying. I think it depends on the woman’s age. Plus some will be sneaky and not get officially married knowing that their gravy train will run out.
/r/Divorce_Men18/04/26 12:35 AM
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You need to act quickly and speak to a lawyer to make sure she doesn’t take the kids when you are not around and flee the state. Gather evidence about her drinking habits. Don’t touch her or engage with her at all.
/r/Divorce_Men17/04/26 08:41 PM
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Dance. Because when you go on a date with someone who isn’t from dance class you will impress them. Women love to be led and dancing is a prime example. Yoga is also very important in many ways but if you only have the time and funds for one then do dance.
/r/seduction17/04/26 07:50 PM
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I was mid forties when I got divorced. I made all the money. She cheated as well. It was super friggin expensive but I would do it all over again not to live with my ex. Getting your net worth chopped in half sucks, but being miserable sucks more. Anything that you owned/had before you got married she cannot touch. The divorce laws are bullshit and depending on your state you will be on the hook for alimony for a while. Hopefully she has a job or a degree. You can try to kick and scream and keep…
/r/Divorce_Men17/04/26 07:45 PM
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You should be ready after 2 years. Any longer than that and you need some friends to tell you to get your act together. Or you need therapy. Don’t you want to be intimate with someone?
/r/Divorce_Men16/04/26 12:11 PM
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How old are your kids? Will you be able to afford to rent a place that fits all of them at a reasonable price? Women don’t change and if they do it is only for the worse.
/r/Divorce_Men15/04/26 02:24 PM
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The divorce laws suck for high earners. My ex wife did jack squat. I still paid for nanny, babysitter, daycare etc. She contributed less than 1% of our yearly combined income and spent more than 85% of our disposable income. She walked away with more money than most people would make in a lifetime. Sell your marital home. Hopefully it has appreciated significantly since you bought it and you have some decent equity. Try to make a deal and prepay the alimony to get a discount. I did, and not seei…
/r/Divorce_Men15/04/26 12:15 AM
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You might just need more time. Don’t force yourself into anything. Eventually that voice in the back of your head will disappear or be barely noticeable.
/r/Divorce_Men13/04/26 11:27 PM
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Make more money. Dress better. Workout more. Get a better haircut/beard etc. Change your mindset. Control what you can control.
/r/seduction10/04/26 12:31 AM
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Immediately. No kids is easy. Just some paperwork. Give her a couple of bucks. Adios. She sounds insufferable. There are way too many good women out there. You just need to find them.
/r/Divorce_Men07/04/26 12:08 AM
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You gamed Miami the wrong way. Rent a lambo, rent a penthouse, rent a yatch, bottle service at LIV or E11even. 8/10 women in this town looking for an ATM boyfriend.
/r/seduction20/03/26 01:33 PM
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Way too much.
/r/Divorce_Men18/03/26 12:41 PM
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Have you had a complete blood panel and had your testosterone levels checked?
/r/Divorce_Men15/03/26 12:31 PM
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Maybe the girls that you like can sense that you really like them. Women are weird. Sounds like you are having success but you are putting too much emphasis on taking the relationship beyond a fling. Focus on the moment. Stop caring.
/r/seduction15/03/26 12:25 PM
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This is very common. Women are like the weather. They can change very rapidly. One minute it is sunny skies. The next minute it is cloudy and overcast. I have gone back in my head and tried to figure out where I went wrong. Often I can never come to a logical conclusion. Sometimes you set off some ridiculous red flag warning in her brain. Live and learn. Move on to the next.
/r/seduction09/03/26 12:51 PM
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OP learned the lesson of escalation. But instead of getting a girl into his bed, he let his wallet get taken advantage of. Bienvenido a Miami.
/r/seduction09/03/26 12:44 PM
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Don’t pay anyone for classes, services or subscriptions. There is TONS of context on YouTube. The tough part is fighting approach anxiety and going out into the real world.
/r/seduction23/02/26 12:57 AM
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Spot on.
/r/Divorce_Men21/02/26 04:33 PM
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How old are your kids? Do your parents or siblings live nearby to offer help with the kids.? Can you restructure your work schedule? Can you afford a nanny? Aftercare? Etc. This woman needs a dose of reality and that will only come with her living on her own. No amount of therapy is going to change her. If you are sex deprived you could consider an escort. They deal with men in horrible marriages all the time. And much easier than trying to have an affair.
/r/Divorce_Men19/02/26 11:17 PM
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It’s a pretty good chat gpt answer.
/r/Divorce_Men19/02/26 11:08 PM
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Two options. Do like what they did in the olden days where powerful men had mistresses. Or pull the plug and find someone that wants to be with you physically. Unfortunately the flame does die out sexually between couples over time. Kids change the dynamics and sometimes there is nothing you can do to change someone’s desire. I’m sure others can chime in here, but my sex life since divorce has been out of this world good.
/r/Divorce_Men19/02/26 01:20 PM
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That is the problem today. Men and women don’t see eye to eye.
/r/Divorce_Men19/02/26 01:17 PM
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Bingo.
/r/Divorce_Men19/02/26 01:16 PM
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His interviews are eye opening. Also, every man should listen to Psychacks.
/r/Divorce_Men19/02/26 01:16 PM
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Men and women have realized the Disney fairly tale of marriage is not real. Technology and social media have rewired our brains. Given us other sources of easy dopamine hits. Our society is struggling to keep up with all the changes and information overload.
/r/Divorce_Men19/02/26 12:27 AM
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Sounds like she is: 1) purposely trying to piss you off and stress you out 2) doing some negotiation tactics where she starts off demanding something ridiculous and then settles for more than she is entitled to. 3) trying to mess up your finances by driving up the legal fees. 4) delusional 5) all of the above. You need to fight this one to the very end. Stand your ground. Don’t give her an extra penny. If you ever get a doubt that your lawyer is not a shark, then find a new one.
/r/Divorce_Men13/02/26 10:17 PM
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You can rent a lambo and a yacht and just pretend to be a millionaire for the weekend.
/r/seduction13/02/26 12:45 PM
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Change your age to 39 and see it changes your matches. Women in their 30s might have their filters set to 39 and younger. Most 30 year olds want to have kids and get married and settle down. Some will assume that guys in their 40s are either already divorced (with or without kids) or playboys that never plan on getting married. However, at 40 you should have your life and your finances in order which can be very attractive to women in their mid 30s. Dating women in their 20s will usually happen …
/r/seduction12/02/26 02:43 PM
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12 hours apart? I won’t even date someone who is a 45min highway drive away.
/r/Divorce_Men11/02/26 03:39 PM
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Make more money.
/r/seduction10/02/26 08:41 PM
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There are tons of women. But I would venture to say that less than 40% are what other people would classify as “normal” Most are doing OF or sugar dating or are influencers. Cost of living is very high here. These women are interested in status and money. They are all looking for guys who fly private, have boats, 2nd homes and have Ferraris etc. The issue is that most of these top 1-5% men are not interested in anything long term or monogamy. Miami is all about looks. Are you tall? Do you dress …
/r/seduction06/02/26 01:47 PM
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Money and/or status (celebrity or influencer).
/r/seduction31/01/26 09:25 PM
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It’s also an exercise/training in communication, confidence, body language and being able to think quickly like improv comedy.
/r/seduction18/01/26 09:33 PM
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Short version: peace and quiet and the ability to do whatever you want whenever you want.
/r/Divorce_Men16/01/26 12:51 PM
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What avenues have you used to meet women besides dating apps? Are you in a big city or middle of nowhere? Have you gotten your testosterone levels checked? Yes TRT can increase libido like crazy in the beginning but it can also change your outlook on life. It sounds like you are active and are trying to take care of yourself. The rest is attitude and confidence. I hate to say this but women have a sixth sense and can tell when you are sexually frustrated. Like others have suggested, massage parl…
/r/Divorce_Men09/01/26 02:45 AM
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Doesn’t sound good and if i had to make a bet I would say it is not going to work long term. So you can take the relatively easy way out and just get ready for divorce. Counseling cannot help if the natural desire to be with someone is gone. Or you can see if there is some underlying issue. Maybe she has depression, maybe she has some hormonal imbalance, maybe there is some unresolved childhood trauma. (You are going to have to bring this up in a very caring way or it will backfire in your face)…
/r/Divorce_Men06/01/26 01:31 PM
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You have just opened your eyes to reality. Women are entitled Towards the end, I was doing everything and she was just out shopping and spending money and fucking other guys. So my scoreboard was like 99%-1%. You are going to be so much happier without her in your life.
/r/Divorce_Men06/01/26 02:15 AM
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Your kids are old enough that it won’t be that horrible for you or them. Kids are resilient. The longer it goes on the more expensive it is going to get and if you have a wife that doesn’t work expect a nice kick in the nuts alimony wise if you enter in “permanent alimony” territory (depending on your state of residence). I was in a similar situation as yours. I didn’t want to not see my kids. I didn’t trust my now ex with raising my kids 50% of the time when they were younger. At the end of the…
/r/Divorce_Men05/01/26 11:18 PM
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Get your own place. Finalize your divorce.
/r/seduction04/01/26 05:22 PM
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Love my alone time. It’s good to reset your brain. Tune out all the noise. And love not having to reluctantly hang out with in laws.
/r/Divorce_Men24/12/25 10:15 PM
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Sounds about right.
/r/Divorce_Men19/12/25 04:55 PM
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Women are crazy. They all put “long term relationship” because they know that older guys (either post divorce or never been married) are most likely not interested in a relationship and just want friends with benefits or casual sex. The average 5/10 woman on dating apps gets hundreds of likes/messages so she needs to do something to weed out the guys that only want something physical. With that said, most will not want to get involved with someone freshly separated. So either take some time for …
/r/Divorce_Men18/12/25 06:15 PM
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Depends on your market. But in general if you are older you are usually wiser, have more money and have more status. Lots of 20 something year olds looking for an older boyfriend and most guys in their early 20s don’t know anything.
/r/seduction17/12/25 12:31 AM
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Miami is flooded with sugar babies. They only care about the thickness of your wallet. If you don’t speak fluent Spanish you are going to have difficulties with some of the latinas. There are some “normal” women out there to approach, but you have to find them. So based on intelligence level and volume, NYC wins.
/r/seduction15/12/25 10:49 PM
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Just keep kicking ass. And remember you are still young and technically in your prime. Late 30s women are my favorite.
/r/Divorce_Men13/12/25 10:17 PM
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Dude. You don’t have any kids together. Be super grateful. (Read about all the guys who don’t get to see their kids, are broke due to child support payments etc). Do the inner work, heal and find another woman. Learn from this experience.
/r/Divorce_Men19/11/25 12:53 PM
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You need a lawyer asap. Fuck her. The days of Mr Nice Guy are over.
/r/Divorce_Men19/11/25 12:50 PM
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Good answer.
/r/Divorce_Men19/11/25 12:40 AM
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The answer is: it depends. 1) are you in shape? 2) do you have decent style? 3) can you flirt? 4) do you have some money left over or did your ex completely clean you out financially? 5) do you live in the middle of nowhere or are you in a decent sized city? I’ve found dating women that have kids similar age to yours is the easiest. Second easiest is late 30s/early 40s that don’t want to have kids (I don’t want any more kids). The best part about being divorced with kids is that you can always u…
/r/Divorce_Men19/11/25 12:25 AM
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Moving out can be considered abandonment. And if you are not in the house and this drags on for 2-3 years, how are you going to see your son if there is no court ordered documents? You need to file first ASAP. if you have not already done so. Move into another room. Don’t speak to her unless it is regarding the kids or something urgent. Otherwise tell her to email you. Don’t touch her EVER! . If she tries to attack you, let her beat the shit out of you and don’t fight back unless your life is in…
/r/Divorce_Men17/11/25 10:38 PM
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Kids completely change a relationship. If you don’t ever want kids or don’t want kids now then express that to her so she knows you are serious. Best to let her go and find someone else.
/r/Divorce_Men16/11/25 11:50 PM
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After they get what they want (marriage, security, financial support etc) then the mask comes off and their true self is revealed. Happens all the time.
/r/Divorce_Men14/11/25 07:45 PM
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Who cares. Not my problem anymore.
/r/Divorce_Men10/11/25 09:43 PM
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Congratulations. Enjoy single life.
/r/Divorce_Men23/10/25 12:14 PM
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Lots of women play by some silly rules. Like won’t get intimate with a guy until a month or 4 dates. You did the kiss test which is good. And you didn’t get her cheek which is also good. If she responded to a text after the date that is good as well. Ask her out again and try to escalate more. Don’t communicate via text or the phone unless it is to set up the next date otherwise she will categorize you as “needy” and women don’t want those types of guys. Eventually you will be able to gauge whic…
/r/seduction23/10/25 12:13 PM
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Post partum is no joke and nobody gets the warning messages before it happens. Some women change mentally and there is absolutely nothing you can do make her change her attitude. It’s a constant barrage of never ending criticism. You can give it 101% of your effort and it is still enough. Be thankful you can get out now, at least your kid is young and doesn’t know “the family as a unit” feeling. Hopefully your alimony won’t be a kick in the balls like some other guys. Life is too short to live i…
/r/Divorce_Men23/10/25 11:55 AM
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The answer is it depends. The more women you date the better you will become at sensing what they want and what they are comfortable with. Some are very regimented in their ways. And others are free birds who will make out with you or sleep with you on the first date. We need to have general guidelines and strategies but sometimes you need to throw the playbook in the garbage and go no huddle and call audibles all night long.
/r/seduction22/10/25 11:12 PM
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Miami is the only correct answer.
/r/seduction22/10/25 01:04 AM
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Didn’t read the other answers. Get your physical self maxed out. Gym, diet, sleep and get some new clothes and haircut. Nobody wants to be your rebound chick. So if you are going to be honest with women you will get a lot of automatic rejections because your divorce is so fresh (or you can lie, not advised) Get some hobbies or revisit ones that you avoided because of marriage. You need to have something interesting to discuss besides work and your kids. Read some books, watch some youtube videos…
/r/Divorce_Men21/10/25 09:29 PM
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When was the last time you got your testosterone levels checked. Get Cialis or Viagra at least at the beginning to boost your confidence. Half the time it is a mental mind fuck, especially with a new partner.
/r/Divorce_Men12/10/25 07:13 PM
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I send them another text a few days later. Sometimes people forget to respond or some other silly thing. After that I give up.
/r/seduction10/10/25 07:59 PM
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If your work schedule is flexible then go for it.
/r/Divorce_Men10/10/25 01:17 PM
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There were warning signs. But at the time you got married your social circle probably wasn’t aware to warn you. And your parents were probably happy that you met someone you like. So unless you witnessed first hand multiple bad divorces you were naive like everyone else thinking I’m not going to be in the 50% that get divorced. Kids change the dynamics of a relationship. People grow in different directions. Females think emotionally vs rationally. Having sex with the same person for 10-15 years …
/r/Divorce_Men10/10/25 01:11 PM
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Free version of Hinge is more than sufficient if you are in a big city.
/r/Divorce_Men09/10/25 09:13 PM
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I would imagine the women in DC are more intelligent and less shallow than Miami women. Miami is amazing but you better be making some good money. Otherwise you will be on the Miami Reddit page complaining about traffic, how difficult it is to make friends, how materialistic everyone is; and how you cannot afford to live here. With that said, there is no shortage of women to day game.
/r/seduction07/10/25 09:56 PM
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Not caring about the outcome and her reaction. Not apologizing if you say something that may be interpreted as offensive. Extra sarcastic tone also helps.
/r/seduction02/10/25 02:08 AM
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Oh yeah. Forgot about the tattoos!!!. Mine had arm, back, leg, foot and wrist.
/r/Divorce_Men02/10/25 02:04 AM
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lol. I recently dated a woman with 4 kids from 4 different men. Amazing in bed, super fun to hang out with, but beyond crazy. For your situation: Guessing 45. Above average attraction. And some combination of “fuck me/crazy” eyes.
/r/Divorce_Men01/10/25 10:33 PM
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This is a tough battle. You will need to get super comfortable with each other’a bodies first. Then you will tell her all the things that she does to you that you like. I like the way you kiss me, I like the way you hug me, i like the way you touch me etc etc etc. Then with total confidence you need to tell her that you really really enjoy getting head and wish she could pleasure you with her mouth. Maybe nobody taught her or coached her before. If she is on board and willing to learn then you w…
/r/seduction26/09/25 08:04 PM
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Spot on and well written.
/r/seduction22/09/25 05:49 PM
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Alternate strategy. Invite her out somewhere that is very close to your place. Escalate. See if she is receptive. Go for a walk. Make out with her. Sense her energy. Does she seem like she wants to get to the next level? Then invite her back to your place for a glass of wine or say “I have this really cool thing at my place that I’d like to show you.” You need an excuse besides a movie to invite her over.
/r/seduction20/09/25 12:46 AM
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Just realize all women are capable of going bat shit crazy for no reason at any time. Do not under any circumstances lay a finger on her. If she attacks you physically, let her beat you up. You should only protect yourself and fight back if you feel like she is going to break one of your bones or kill you.
/r/Divorce_Men06/09/25 02:37 AM
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Gym. Diet. Sleep. Hormone Optimization if needed. Control what you can control. You can’t control how your crazy Ex is going to act or talk. But you can control your reaction. Get your fucking health in check. Go get blood work. Lose weight. Work on your cardio. If you want any chance of finding or being with another woman, you will need to up your game. Read about relationships. Read about sexual marketplace. There are so many resources online, YouTube etc that your 18 year old confused self wi…
/r/Divorce_Men30/08/25 09:41 PM
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Ask them about their relationship with their father. This is more of a question for a long term relationship and if this woman is likely going to be crazy.
/r/seduction28/08/25 11:39 PM
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They are all delusional. They are all drinking the same cool aid. I don’t take anyone serious. The moment they start with any nonsense I just cut them off.
/r/Divorce_Men20/08/25 12:39 AM
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It is only going to get worse. More apps (Tea-Safe dating for women) and more sites will slowly emerge. Women are shooting themselves in the foot and will destroy their already limited dating pool. They are delusional and think that all the 6’0, six pack, and 6 figure men want monogamy after the first date.
/r/seduction09/08/25 01:33 PM
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This means you are winning. Fuck her.
/r/Divorce_Men23/07/25 12:52 AM
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Car analogy spot on.
/r/Divorce_Men23/07/25 12:50 AM
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2 years later for me and I have never been happier (and having the best sex of my life).
/r/Divorce_Men10/07/25 11:22 AM
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Wow. Your response is inspirational for anything including business. Take control and ownership of the situation. Stop bitching and complaining and do something.
/r/seduction04/07/25 05:05 PM
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How old are you and where are you generally located? Where are you trying to meet women? I find the answer is sometimes age and location dependent. But yes the general principles still apply. Sometimes it’s a pure numbers game. Advice can sometimes be different for a 20 year old compared to a 35 year old.
/r/seduction04/07/25 04:57 PM
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These are more about male/female dynamics and how to date post divorce and not let future women control your life. Models and the Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck. The Rational Male The Evolution of Desire The Value of Others Can’t Hurt Me The Way of the Superior Man The Unplugged Alpha
/r/Divorce_Men08/06/25 03:43 PM
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New lawyer asap.
/r/Divorce_Men29/05/25 09:33 PM
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Half your age + 7 is the magic formula. But in general mid 30s to mid 40s. Most early 30s still want kids. Late 40s have too many wrinkles for my liking.
/r/Divorce_Men16/05/25 11:49 AM
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10s come with way more headaches and high maintenance and they are getting approached, and DMs by other men. She will always think that she is hot enough to try and find a better looking and wealthier man. Don’t forget the cost of that upkeep as well. Hair, nails, makeup, clothes, shoes, handbags, jewelry, skin care. 10s believe and expect to get the best. Usually the 10s have lower intelligence and haven’t developed a personality as they have relied on their looks to get everything in life. No …
/r/seduction25/04/25 01:10 PM
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Good points but you are making this too complicated. Don’t get married again. Don’t move in together. Don’t get her pregnant. Younger women might want to have kids so that is a no go for me. If I want to sleep with late 20s / early 30s I will just pay for it. I focus on mid to late thirties that don’t want to have kids or divorced women that have their shit together. Yes it is slim pickings but I don’t care. Take your time before becoming serious with anyone.
/r/Divorce_Men05/04/25 02:36 AM
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Been there done that. I know it is tough for you to visualize because you are going through hell right now, but once you are done you will experience peace and tranquility. The advice given so far is spot on. File first if you haven’t done so already. Do not be left alone with your stbx if possible. These people are known to get violent when they don’t get their way. If she attacks you, let her beat the shit out of you. Then call the cops. Do not fight back. Sleep in another room and put a lock …
/r/Divorce_Men01/04/25 01:35 PM
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It’s called together but living apart. Find a woman that has her own place and can support herself. Don’t move in together. Don’t have another kid. Don’t get married again.
/r/Divorce_Men30/03/25 06:29 PM
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Perfect situation for you. Use this leverage during mediation. If it goes to the judge you can paint the picture that she is unstable and violent. You should be able to get 50/50 custody with ease, perhaps more Speak to your attorney asap.
/r/Divorce_Men22/03/25 10:10 PM
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At age 21 your goal should be to figure out how you can make money and how to exercise and eat properly. Then learn social skills, talk to as many women as you can. It will be a lot of trial and error.
/r/seduction19/03/25 08:05 PM
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It’s a little like swallowing the red pill. I see women as adjuncts to my life and not necessities. I can live just fine without them around all the time. If anything my life is more peaceful when I am alone.
/r/Divorce_Men18/03/25 10:22 PM
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Yes. Some of these so called mids are better in bed and give way better oral than the “starfish” 8s and 9s.
/r/seduction18/03/25 12:43 PM
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Fuck Canada and fuck divorce laws. Just start gathering evidence to use in the future. I realize you cannot afford it right now but maybe one day you can take this psycho bitch back to court. Be the best father you can be when you are with them.
/r/Divorce_Men14/03/25 12:13 PM
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Women in mid to late forties look old regardless of Botox and fillers and even good genetics. You can date 20 year olds when you are ready but it is going to cost you money and time. Either sugar dating or finding a unicorn. Early 30s are tricky because some women still haven’t decided if they want kids or not. 40s are tricky because these women have baggage, have been in several relationships before (or divorced) and have a laundry list of wants and desires from their partner which are unrealis…
/r/Divorce_Men12/03/25 02:20 PM
1

Also Psychhacks on YouTube.
/r/Divorce_Men12/03/25 01:33 PM
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Had to look up Furu In dictionary. Fake guru in case any one else is as dumb as me. Let these idiots vent to the world. Don’t give them your bandwidth.
/r/Divorce_Men11/03/25 08:03 PM
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Speak to an attorney immediately. Get a calculation for worst case scenario. Figure out if you can live on that or if there are other ways to generate more income post divorce. You will also have to look at the equity you have in the two properties. If they were both purchased post marriage, she owns half even if she never paid a penny towards the mortgage. Divorce laws suck.
/r/Divorce_Men11/03/25 01:45 PM
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1) Remind yourself that you are not alone. Many of us have discovered cheating spouses, dead bedrooms, psychos and mentally unstable women. 2) You will get over this. You will recover. Some days are going to suck. Control what you can control: diet, exercise and sleep. Don’t drink. Don’t do drugs. Learn to meditate so you can calm yourself down naturally. 3) Fuck her. She is nothing to you now except a financial drain on your resources and the mother of your child. Get a good lawyer. 4) Your kid…
/r/Divorce_Men11/03/25 01:39 PM
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Start buying gift cards or doing cash back every time you go to the grocery store, gas station or drug store. You probably won’t be able to amass that much but at least it is something. Move any really important valuables or sentimental things out or the house so she cannot make them “accidentally go missing”. Do not start fucking around with other women as payback. This will be a relatively easy split. You don’t have kids.
/r/Divorce_Men21/02/25 01:57 PM
2

Think of it as a training mission.
/r/Divorce_Men18/02/25 02:47 AM
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Have fun. Life is too short. Don’t get her pregnant. Don’t get an STD.
/r/Divorce_Men02/02/25 02:25 PM
4

Don’t waste your time and money.
/r/Divorce_Men30/01/25 01:41 PM
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As a man, if you never get married and never have kids and take care of yourself and make good money then your dating pool will actually get larger the older you get. You can date women in their 20s,30s,40s and even 50s. I know 45 year old guys dating women in their 20s (not sugar dating).
/r/seduction29/01/25 12:33 AM
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How old is she? Does she have conservative values? Are you looking for a wife or a long term girlfriend or a short term girlfriend? Some women have hard rules about getting intimate. “We need to be dating for 3 months before I will have sex” etc. Do you want to invest more time and money to develop an emotional connection before you get intimate? (Would you be completely disappointed if the physical connection turns out to be sub-par?). If you want to go forward, get her back to your place, try …
/r/seduction18/01/25 04:12 PM
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No kids and she works? Only married two years? This will be an easy and inexpensive split. Pay for a good lawyer.
/r/Divorce_Men16/01/25 04:37 PM
11

She ruined you temporarily. We are designed for adversity. Just fight harder in life going forward. Learn from your mistakes. Don’t get married again.
/r/Divorce_Men14/01/25 03:12 AM
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Figure out how you can SLOWLY and secretly start stashing some cash and/or gift cards.
/r/Divorce_Men08/01/25 01:01 PM
2

This is great. OP should read this.
/r/Divorce_Men08/01/25 12:59 PM
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Why would you ever listen to a woman’s opinion about marriage/divorce.
/r/Divorce_Men05/01/25 06:39 PM
1

Absolutely true. I’m giving generalizations. Most women in their late 30s/40s have a laundry list of criteria that must be met.
/r/Divorce_Men31/12/24 04:45 PM
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Most women won’t date a post-divorce guy until he has been divorced for at least a year.
/r/Divorce_Men31/12/24 03:07 AM
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Take control of the things you can control. Diet, exercise, sleep (as much as possible given the stress). Avoid alcohol. You need an outlet for stress and something to remind you that you are a man: competitive sports, martial arts, firing guns etc. You also need meditation, yoga or journalling. Get all the thoughts out of your head Go out with male friends. Speak to family members. Post here as you are not alone. We have all been through the wringer in one form or another. To answer your last q…
/r/Divorce_Men22/12/24 12:04 AM
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Go speak to an attorney and figure out your case. You will need to get approximate alimony and child support amounts. Then figure out if you can afford to live on your own with those expenses. What happened to her baby daddy #1? Is he still around? Marriage counseling is usually a waste of time and money. She will cheat again. Get out now while you are still young and able to date younger women. Get out now while alimony payments will be the lowest. It is going to be horrible only seeing your da…
/r/Divorce_Men04/12/24 12:59 PM
2

Well said.
/r/Divorce_Men22/11/24 12:14 PM
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It’s not your problem if your wife is going to be okay. You have worried about her long enough. Make a budget and see how much it will cost you to live. Your lawyer should be able to guesstimate child support and alimony.
/r/Divorce_Men13/11/24 01:34 AM
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Go and watch every Dr Ramani YouTube video. Get her new book. She has strategies on how to live with a BPD spouse if divorce is not an option. You can probably drag it out for a couple of years (I did as I didn’t have a case for sole custody and I didn’t want to not be around during the kids critical years 5-9). But beyond that it is impossible and it will destroy your mental and physical health. In the meantime think of an exit strategy. Speak to a lawyer. You cannot have your kids thinking tha…
/r/Divorce_Men21/10/24 07:08 PM
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Judges don’t care about personality disorders. Only criminal behavior (abuse) or child neglect. And you need proof for both. “She’s a shitty mom and she is mentally crazy” doesn’t do anything in court.
/r/Divorce_Men21/10/24 06:51 PM
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Do you see yourself raising a 3 year old by yourself?
/r/Divorce_Men20/10/24 09:55 PM
9

How old are your kids? How many years marriage? Does your wife make any money?
/r/Divorce_Men20/10/24 09:19 PM
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Don’t move in together.
/r/Divorce_Men17/10/24 09:54 PM
2

Look into “together but living apart”. This only works with some women. But the advantage is that you get your own space, your own bed and a break from the other person. Having some time apart makes the time together more special vs being with that person all the time. Huge plus is that if things don’t work out then nobody is moving out of the other person’s place. I will never let a woman suffocate my lifestyle ever again.
/r/Divorce_Men21/09/24 09:46 PM
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I’d be very content with multiple 2 year relationships and not living together with anyone until I retire or get old. Only then would I consider something more long term.
/r/Divorce_Men21/09/24 05:36 PM
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Great video. Must watch.
/r/Divorce_Men17/09/24 12:37 AM
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You need concrete proof. The general blanket statement “she is a bad mom and irresponsible” doesn’t mean anything. You need to prove that the kids lives are in danger when they are in her custody.
/r/Divorce_Men11/09/24 11:47 PM
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Go and spend $500 for a 1 hour consultation with a divorce attorney now. It will be the best investment you ever made.
/r/Divorce_Men07/09/24 04:16 PM
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It’s a matter of checking off the right boxes. The good looking guy usually is missing a bunch of characteristics that women value in relationships (money, stability, status, emotional intelligence etc). So for one night they will make exceptions. But for a long term relationship you need to meet or exceed their minimum requirements. High physical status is not a the top of the women’s list compared to what men value.
/r/seduction06/09/24 05:43 PM
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Costa Rica or Colombia
/r/Divorce_Men02/09/24 07:00 PM
2

Why do you need to get married? She can be in your life without you playing Russian Roulette again.
/r/Divorce_Men29/08/24 11:33 AM
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Pretty much everything.
/r/Divorce_Men07/07/24 03:40 PM
3

Bingo!
/r/Divorce_Men26/06/24 11:31 PM
4

Yes. After a recent date #3 (literally spent about 6 hours with this woman in total) she asks “so what are your intentions?” The other issue is that nobody wants to date a recently separated or divorced man. So you either need to wait or lie about when you got divorced.
/r/Divorce_Men26/06/24 12:26 PM
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Miami has the largest concentration of OnlyFans out of any city in the USA. We also have a lot of escorts and sugar babies. Most of them are just looking for the richest guy they can attract. Money talks down here.
/r/seduction26/06/24 12:09 PM
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Check out the sub “dating over 40” to get a sense of what is going on. In general it is a total shit show: women want a guy who is serious about a long term relationship, has money, and who is ready to get married again. Men want to date around, not get involved with drama queens and don’t want to get married again. Now these are obviously generalities, but when 80% of the dating pool feels this way, it leaves very little opportunity.
/r/Divorce_Men26/06/24 12:02 PM
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Marriage laws.
/r/Divorce_Men25/06/24 11:15 PM
2

Also Evolution of Desire by David Buss. More of a scientific analysis of where we are today as society.
/r/Divorce_Men17/06/24 01:04 PM
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Start with the following books: No more Mr Nice Guy by Robert Glover Models by Mark Manson. The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi (a little over the top in the red pill direction but still a worthwhile read). The way of the superior man by David Deida
/r/Divorce_Men16/06/24 05:44 PM
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It’s a numbers game. Most women (even ugly 5s and 6s) have 100s of men messaging/liking them. In the future try to set up dates as soon as possible and pick off nights like Tuesday or Wednesdays. Save Fridays or Saturdays for date 3 or 4. Women flake all the time for no rhyme or reason. There is no use getting all worked up over it. You can go back and look at your messages and see if you said something that may have offended her. Beyond that let it go.
/r/Divorce_Men16/06/24 04:50 PM
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I can confirm this is true.
/r/seduction05/06/24 02:40 PM
3

Dude. Treehouse is closed.
/r/seduction05/06/24 02:37 PM
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Unpopular opinion but therapy is usually a waste of time and money for men.
/r/Divorce_Men03/06/24 11:44 PM
3

Maneater.
/r/Divorce_Men01/06/24 08:52 PM
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It’s a total shit show out there when you are older. But with that said, I’ve had the best sex of my life since getting divorced. Apps are good or bad depending on your city. Check out the “datingoverforty” subreddit for some insight. You need a good social circle of friends and hopefully some other guys in the 40-55 age group to hang out with who are single or dating around.
/r/Divorce_Men30/05/24 11:09 PM
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They just want another stupid idiot to pay for all their stuff and then eventually take half of his net worth. Let them continue their search for the moron who will preganatize them.
/r/Divorce_Men28/05/24 11:39 PM
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Depends on your age, how much money you have and your social market value. There are some more low key places in Brickell and downtown if you are not trying to blow a bunch of cash trying to pick up Onlyfans girls, influencers and escorts at the Clubstaurants. There are some decent places on Miami Beach as well. You also need a good wingman that can talk shit to anyone. I’ve never really gamed FTL because I have no desire to date someone that lives that far away and I only have one wing who live…
/r/seduction19/05/24 10:19 PM
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You can game in Miami but you have to pick your spots carefully and be strategic about when you go out to maximize your results. MIA is way better than FTL for day game. It’s a totally different scene in FTL. Just start by driving or ubering up on the weekend to check it out.
/r/seduction19/05/24 06:44 PM
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Find some male friends to socialize with. Ideally they should be single but married friends could work as well as long as they have some positivity. Don’t hang out with negative people. You need a good support network. Sometimes you need your friends to drag you out of the house. You are super young so that is in your favor. Go out. Have a good time. Let things happen organically for now. Just start chatting up women as practice (even if you are not attracted to them).
/r/Divorce_Men17/05/24 01:13 PM
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Yikes. How many years did you own the home before she moved in? Is there a way to figure out what it was worth before she moved in vs what is it worth now? Regardless you should fight till the end for this asset. Unfortunately it doesn’t matter if she never worked and never contributed a penny to mortgage or upkeep. Court will view it differently.
/r/Divorce_Men02/05/24 12:03 PM
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The key is to say positive things about your marriage and that you learned what is important to you. Say that you grew apart from your ex or that your values were not in line anymore. No other woman wants to hear your sob story about how your ex was a total bitch.
/r/Divorce_Men26/04/24 12:58 PM
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I was being generous. Rough guesstimate.
/r/Divorce_Men22/04/24 07:57 PM
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Women have been brainwashed. You need to find the 5-10% that are still normal. Happy hunting.
/r/Divorce_Men22/04/24 11:24 AM
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They may seem happy at the birthday party. But you don’t know what goes on behind the scenes when those couples are not in public. My ex and I were masters of portraying ourselves as the perfect couple in public.
/r/Divorce_Men15/04/24 02:42 PM
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No woman will want to get involved with you until 1 year AFTER divorce is finalized. You will need to lie on the dating app or find another way.
/r/Divorce_Men05/04/24 11:20 PM
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Follow this advice.
/r/Divorce_Men03/04/24 11:43 AM
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Yoga. Meditation. And Stoicism (read the book by Marcus Aurelius). Learn that you can only control what you can control (which is typically diet, exercise and sleep). You cannot control what she is going to say or do but you can control how you react to it and how you let it affect you. The other thing that helps as silly as it sounds is working out with heavy weights cursing your ex’s name out. (My go to is: “f$&” you, you f?!&ing bitch). Or finding some competitive sport to get out your anger.…
/r/Divorce_Men27/03/24 02:31 AM
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Depends on your state. Most likely permanent alimony. You obviously make enough money to hire the best divorce lawyer in town. Ask them.
/r/Divorce_Men26/03/24 12:55 PM
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You should not be texting anyone on a regular basis until SHE brings up the conversation of exclusivity. For all you know she could be dating 2-3 guys already. Just text or call to set up the date. Tell her you are not a “texter” and prefer to speak in person. Tell her you would love to hear about her day/week in person. Otherwise when you go on a date you will run out of stuff to talk about. Or she will turn into a pen-pal.
/r/Divorce_Men26/03/24 02:28 AM
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Nope. Young and stupid. Believed the fairy tales.
/r/Divorce_Men16/03/24 03:51 PM
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Not with the way the laws are set up in the USA. Would need strict and enforceable prenup laws. None of this “she gets half of the business” because it was acquired during the marriage. Or “she gets half the equity of the home” even though she never contributed one penny to the mortgage or down payment. Or “you have to pay a certain amount per kid” until they are 18 even though the cost to take of that kid is much less. Or “she is too old and not employable, you will need to pay alimony for life…
/r/Divorce_Men16/03/24 12:49 PM
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Read “No more Mr nice guy” by Robert Glover. Or go full RedPill.
/r/Divorce_Men21/02/24 12:19 PM
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Don’t get married.
/r/Divorce_Men14/02/24 11:13 PM
2

Her age and time of marriage are your biggest issues. Everything is negotiable. Add up all your assets subtract your liabilities and you have your family net worth doesn’t matter who’s name the accounts are in, only if they were funded with only premarital money. She gets 50 and you get 50. You can trade whatever you want. For example you keep a more expensive car and she keeps her 401k etc.
/r/Divorce_Men11/02/24 11:10 PM
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Yikes. I’m no lawyer so get a second opinion on my advice. Not sure what state you are in but permanent alimony is definitely on the table. You won’t have to worry about child support as your kids are older and will only need to pay until your youngest is 18. You will need to get a vocational analysis. This is a 3rd party that will analyze your STBXW on her ability to get employed and what she could “potentially” earn given her degrees and work experience. At 51 it gets tricky because most compa…
/r/Divorce_Men11/02/24 06:18 PM
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How many years ago since she made more money than you? What is her age? Is she employable? Does she have a bachelor’s degree or masters?
/r/Divorce_Men11/02/24 05:49 PM
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How old is she? Can she find another job? Most likely lawyer/judge will use her previous income. You might have to provide short term spousal support until she gets a job. What was the income difference of you vs her old job?
/r/Divorce_Men11/02/24 01:18 AM
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Just flash some hundred dollars bills and keys to your lambo.
/r/seduction29/01/24 12:35 PM
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It depends on the business and assuming the business was started after you got married. Once married, anything you buy or start is considered a marital asset. At bare minimum expect to give her half of what is in your business checking account and half the value of the business assets (do you own the real estate, computers, furniture, equipment etc). Goodwill, trade secrets, customer lists etc should have no value in a divorce settlement. You may need to get a business appraisal if you cannot ag…
/r/Divorce_Men18/01/24 10:34 PM
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Amen.
/r/Divorce_Men06/01/24 08:37 PM
1

No.
/r/Divorce_Men06/12/23 01:33 PM
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There is no way I could pick just one. Made a top ten list instead: Peace and quiet ALL the time. Freedom to come and go as I please without answering 20 questions House is clean all the time Spending less money on groceries and almost never throwing out spoiled, rotten or expired food. Credit card bill has not been this low in a long time. Sleeping much better in the bed by myself Time to spend with my friends. Time to go to the gym Not having to host her ungrateful family. Freedom.
/r/Divorce_Men05/12/23 01:09 PM
12

This sub is better than therapy.
/r/Divorce_Men04/12/23 12:07 AM
10

Nope.
/r/Divorce_Men01/12/23 11:57 AM
9

Way too many Red Flags. Tell her you are not ready. Don’t move in together.
/r/Divorce_Men01/12/23 02:43 AM
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You would probably have to frame her. Unlikely any judge would give you sole custody. She would have to be abusive to the kids, have a criminal record and have a heavy drug addiction. (All three).
/r/Divorce_Men01/12/23 02:41 AM
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No kids? Get divorced now. Hopefully there are minimal assets to worry about. You just said you no longer trust her. And she has already asked for a divorce. It’s over, plain and simple. Once it gets bad it rarely goes back to being great. You can always get back together (dating and sex only) but don’t get re-married or live together if you feel you made a mistake and are doubting your decision. You are young and have your 30s and 40s to enjoy with better women.
/r/Divorce_Men30/11/23 08:02 PM
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I meant to say that some men were scumbags in the past (and can still be today). No woman should have to tolerate a physically abusive husband.
/r/Divorce_Men29/11/23 07:11 PM
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Times have changed. Pre 1960s/1970s women stayed home. Cooked, cleaned, took care of the kids and stayed together with their husband for the betterment of the family unit. Sure some husbands beat their wives, sure some of them came home drank 6 beers and watched tv and paid no attention to the kids. Sure some of them had affairs. But they would continue to provide for the family not matter what. The whole “for better or for worse until death do us part” got thrown out the window a long time ago.…
/r/Divorce_Men29/11/23 01:58 PM
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What you are experiencing from online dating sounds about right. Women have too many options. They all think they are entitled to a 6ft handsome man with 6 pack abs, who has a six figure salary and at least 6inches in his pants. Then they get upset when they finally go out with these giga-chads and get ghosted after the first time they have sex. The sexual marketplace is very messed up right now. If you can avoid online dating and have options to meet women in real life that is the best choice.
/r/Divorce_Men28/11/23 12:30 PM
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Have your parents buy your house and rent from them with a proper legit lease agreement. Hide all your cash
/r/Divorce_Men22/11/23 01:44 PM
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After age 10/11 most kids understand what is going on. If you kid is 13 just go and file paperwork already. Your kid will understand and probably has many friends who have divorced parents. You are no good to your kid if you die of a heart attack from stress. Fight for 50/50 custody at minimum. The stress relief from getting a toxic person out of your life is priceless. Also you want your 13 year old to have a good example of what a healthy relationship is.
/r/Divorce_Men18/11/23 05:27 PM
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Don’t do it. Having sex with the same person forever? Then having her get tired of sex with you because taking care of the kids is exhausting? Post-partum depression? The divorce laws suck. Until the rules change don’t enter this man made prison called marriage. Exceptions to the rule. 1) she with 100% certainty says she never wants to have kids. 2) she makes more money than you and comes from a wealthy family where she might be the one asking you for a prenup. Good luck in your quest for the un…
/r/Divorce_Men18/11/23 05:24 PM
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There is no point. Marriage is an antiquated concept that doesn’t work in our new society.
/r/Divorce_Men13/11/23 01:13 AM
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Well said. This is the only correct answer. And she better have wealthy parents to leave her an inheritance.
/r/Divorce_Men09/11/23 09:37 PM
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Sleep in. Clean your house. Go to the gym Shop for groceries. Cook a couple of meals for the week. Do an outdoor activity. (Run, hike, bike, yard work etc). Join a sports group, hobby group. Yoga/Meditation. Learn a new skill (shooting, dancing, car racing, golf, etc). Find a friend with benefits. This should take up about 80% of your weekend.
/r/Divorce_Men04/11/23 05:41 PM
4

There are lots of advantages to being alone. You need to use a glass half full analysis.
/r/Divorce_Men31/10/23 11:08 PM
4

You can fuck for fun and have a friend with benefits but don’t get into a relationship. Don’t fall in love. Don’t get serious. Don’t ever move in with a women ever again. If you ask women who use dating sites, most will not want to get involved in a recently divorced man.
/r/Divorce_Men19/10/23 08:28 PM
6

Just do it. Rip the bandaid off. You get more anxiety and worried the longer your wait.
/r/Divorce_Men06/10/23 04:16 PM
2

We have all been brainwashed into the “happy wife, happy life” motto. While it does work in the short term it comes at the cost of your balls and your manhood.
/r/Divorce_Men05/10/23 11:18 PM
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You will sleep better in the bed by yourself in a quiet house. No more bitching and complaining about anything. Want to leave the dishes dirty all weekend? Go right ahead. Credit card bills will be much lower You will start having lots of good sex again. You can attack your life from a selfish mentality going forward? Want to buy a Jeep or a gun or a motorcycle? Go right ahead. You will hopefully be smarter with women going forward and learn from your mistakes. Never move in together with a woma…
/r/Divorce_Men04/10/23 03:25 PM
2

20 year olds are tough. Obsessed with their phones, social media and not very intelligent or mature. Find a early to mid thirties girl who has her shit together. Maybe one that isn’t hell bent on having children so their is no ticking biological clock.
/r/Divorce_Men30/09/23 03:43 PM
2

Well said and fuck anyone who suggested you need therapy. You understand how the world works. You understand how women think/act. You understand that everyone is replaceable and that nothing lasts forever. Everyone else can go back to watching Disney/Hollywood propaganda about “happily ever after”.
/r/Divorce_Men29/09/23 01:26 PM
1

You are going to get fucked as others have said. There are online calculators that you can use to estimate alimony and child support. Hope you have the future potential to make more money. And make sure you attorney can fight and prove that she has the ability to make $4-5k per month (assuming she has a degree or advanced training).
/r/Divorce_Men27/09/23 09:28 PM
3

Amen.
/r/Divorce_Men26/09/23 11:17 AM
5

Red pill post at its best. But unfortunately all true.
/r/Divorce_Men24/09/23 11:17 PM
1

There is no benefit to getting married if you don’t have or plan on having any kids…..unless she makes more money than you or has wealthy parents.
/r/Divorce_Men21/09/23 11:43 AM
2

Women marry for financial stability and to be with a provider. They don’t marry their man because he is some sex god. In contrast they enjoy fucking everyone besides their husband. Also, sex with the same person gets boring. So unless you are coming up with some new moves every week, she will start to get turned off by your predictability. Women need excitement and mental stimulation to get aroused whereas men just need to see any naked body.
/r/Divorce_Men21/09/23 11:36 AM
1

Get some mental help for your anxiety. Or go and sleep with a bunch of hotter, sexier, women who are better in bed than your ex. You will soon not give a fuck about who fucks.
/r/Divorce_Men20/09/23 12:45 AM
4

This is a great answer. They really have nothing to offer.
/r/Divorce_Men18/09/23 11:57 AM
6

Narcissist and good parent are mutually exclusive terms. Once the narcissist is alone with the kid(s) without the other spouse around then the narcissist will inflict all their personality problems onto the children.
/r/Divorce_Men14/09/23 06:09 PM
5

It is possible. But odds are probably better that you win the lottery.
/r/Divorce_Men14/09/23 06:04 PM
2

Bingo!
/r/Divorce_Men14/09/23 06:03 PM
2

I will when my kids are older.
/r/Divorce_Men13/09/23 02:57 PM
2

The system is fucked beyond belief. The system does not care that most men paid every single bill and made every single mortgage and car payment. The system does not care about the men maintaining their same standard of living post divorce. The system does not take into consideration that the women did not work or that the women overspent on clothes, shoes and other stupid crap. The system only cares about giving these lazy bitches as much money as possible and punishing the men. Rant over.
/r/Divorce_Men12/09/23 11:18 AM
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Your lawyer will need to argue that she “could” make $50k-$70k or more if she used her skills and degree (I’m assuming she has a college degree) to get a proper paying job and that she works full time. You may need to get a vocational analysis or vocational evaluation. You might have to pay an expert to do this. Sometimes the high earner could offer to pay for additional training/schooling so that the low earner could get more earning potential instead of more alimony. The other strategy is to p…
/r/Divorce_Men11/09/23 11:28 AM
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If they are good then they don’t work for free.
/r/Divorce_Men10/09/23 11:48 PM
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You are using old outdated ideologies to try and reason why things are going the way they are. All of us showed up on our wedding day thinking “okay, this is the one. I’m going to do this and be the best husband I can be…” Don’t blame yourself. You probably did nothing wrong. And even if you did “pay more attention to her,” she still would have found another thousand reasons to get divorced. Times are different. Our culture is toxic. Maybe some old school mentalities still exist in other countri…
/r/Divorce_Men10/09/23 03:23 AM
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If it goes to court, you/your attorney get to speak first. If you file first, it lessens the likelihood that you can get kicked out of the marital home and it lessens the likelihood that she will file a false domestic violence abuse claim against you.
/r/Divorce_Men08/09/23 11:38 PM
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https://forum.mensdivorce.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15642&sid=1a9d283d7aeb9bc6cb103cc7229aeacf
/r/Divorce_Men08/09/23 09:06 PM
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If it’s not written in the order then don’t pay anything right now. Tell her “your schedule is not my problem”
/r/Divorce_Men08/09/23 05:54 PM
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Surround yourself with positive men. Find an activity to relieve stress: yoga, kickboxing, gun shooting, weightlifting, etc. Find a therapist. The sooner your accept that the woman you loved does not exist anymore then the sooner you can move on. She is only the mother of your children now. Also, get off social media. That shit is toxic and depressing.
/r/Divorce_Men08/09/23 03:51 PM
1

Spend the extra money for the coach on a good attorney.
/r/Divorce_Men08/09/23 03:34 PM
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Tell your new boss about your situation. See if they can restructure your pay for the first year or two. You might have to get “creative” l Your case sounds like a nightmare that could go on for a while especially with the house. Do everything in your power to “show” the least amount of income on your W2. If it goes to court they will look at 3 years of income.
/r/Divorce_Men08/09/23 02:45 AM
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This is part of the meditative process. There is a book called 8 minute meditation. Here is the short version. 1) meditation is difficult 2) it is normal for your mind to wander 3) accept that you have crap in your mind 4) just do the best you can to sit still for 8 minutes 5) sit in a quiet spot with no distractions Like anything else, it takes practice.
/r/Divorce_Men06/09/23 01:16 AM
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Meditation every night.
/r/Divorce_Men05/09/23 09:50 PM
2

Do you own a home together or are your renting? Do you have any other joint assets? Can you easily prove what was “yours” before you got married? This looks like a straightforward split but you don’t want to get fucked over in the future if her attorney threw in some clever language into the settlement agreement. You can take your chances and sign the paperwork they give you or spend the money on an attorney for piece of mind.
/r/Divorce_Men31/08/23 12:19 PM
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Amen.
/r/Divorce_Men23/08/23 01:22 AM
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Have your parent buy the house and rent from them.
/r/Divorce_Men18/08/23 02:01 AM
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Option #3 for the win. You keep on getting older and your girlfriend stays the same age.
/r/Divorce_Men18/08/23 01:52 AM
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Well you are lucky the law just changed in Florida. After 17 years of marriage, it used to be automatic permanent alimony. Now things are different. Check with an attorney to guesstimate what you could owe. Child support is not an issue because your kid is 17 and will probably be 18 by the time this is all settled. How old is your STBXW? You may need to get a vocational analysis to prove that she could make $xx,xxx if she was in the work force full time. Don’t move out of the house no matter wha…
/r/Divorce_Men10/08/23 05:43 PM
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Does she have a degree? Does she have skills that could get her a job? You will need to get a vocational analysis to figure out what she could earn if she worked full time. At the worst they will plug in minimum wage into the equation (so $25k or so depending on your state). You and your lawyer need to do everything possible to prove that she could make $50,60,70k per year if she worked. Alimony is usually calculated after you take the difference of incomes.
/r/Divorce_Men10/08/23 11:58 AM
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You are approaching “cheaper to keep her territory”. How old are your kids?
/r/Divorce_Men10/08/23 12:30 AM
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Is that marriage is a man made prison.
/r/Divorce_Men09/08/23 01:28 AM
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Short answer no. You just described about 50-75% of the women this sub are/were married to. Should you stay depends on the age of the kids and their mental stability, do you have family to help with the kids if they are younger, what state you are in (as divorce laws differ) are you approaching permanent alimony territory, can you afford to get divorced, will she try to move to another state etc…. I stayed for many extra years until my kids were older and developed mentally as I feared for what …
/r/Divorce_Men08/08/23 03:46 PM
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Amazing interview. A must watch for any man considering marriage.
/r/Divorce_Men06/08/23 02:22 PM
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Have your attorney go after her for your legal bill If she wants to go back and modify things then let her pay for it.
/r/Divorce_Men06/08/23 01:12 AM
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Don’t get married ever again. Even to the one making $300k. Date both of them. It is possible to love/date multiple women.
/r/Divorce_Men04/08/23 05:06 PM
3

Never felt better in my life.
/r/Divorce_Men01/08/23 10:36 PM
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Assuming the prenup was 100% enforceable, then maybe. But the way prenups are now, no way.
/r/Divorce_Men31/07/23 04:20 AM
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Hide all the cash you can. Make sure have a good financials in place. Know where every dollar goes each month for you, for her and for your kid.
/r/Divorce_Men29/07/23 07:49 PM
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Going forward just remember the “crazy/hot matrix”. I would prefer a non crazy 6/7 vs a hot and crazy 8/9. You ignored all the red flags because you were conditioned (and programmed from an evolutionary point of view) to seek the most attractive and sexiest partner.
/r/Divorce_Men28/07/23 04:34 PM
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Just inform the youth and your sons. That is all we can do.
/r/Divorce_Men24/07/23 09:41 PM
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Dead bedroom sucks. Get out now and get on with your life. You will be amazed at what it feels like to sleep with a woman that actually wants to be with you. Your other option is to have an open marriage but that will likely not end well, it is just a delay for option #1.
/r/Divorce_Men24/07/23 03:25 AM
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Document all the spending. You might be able to get it back in the final judgment.
/r/Divorce_Men23/07/23 07:00 PM
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They all start off as being quite “reasonable”. Just prepare for the worst possible scenario. Then they start getting advice from attorneys and other friends who are divorced. File first so she cannot claim false domestic violence claim. Record all your conversations. Never touch or hit her. If things escalate, walk away. Assume she will try to steal money by buying gift cards and disguising them as grocery store purchases. Assume she will put stupid items on your joint credit card. This is now …
/r/Divorce_Men22/07/23 09:33 PM
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Wait as long as possible.
/r/Divorce_Men21/07/23 08:51 PM
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There are online child support calculators. If there is a huge difference in income figure 1500-2000 a month in child support based on 50/50 custody. If you have the kids more than 50% of the time then it will be less. For alimony: does she have a degree? Is she under the age of 45. Is she employable? The judge will look at her earning potential (not what she is currently making) and then calculate the income difference. At 18 years of marriage you might be in a permanent alimony situation. Chec…
/r/Divorce_Men21/07/23 07:44 PM
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It depends on how tolerable she is as a roommate. Can you tolerate going on vacation with her? Does she give you your own time to do things on your own (hobbies, hang out with other guys etc). ? Does she contribute to the home financially or does she do housework (cook, clean, laundry). If it’s just dead bedroom then you go down the rabbit hole of couples therapy and having her hormones tested. But if it goes beyond that then you have a conundrum. Most of us lived with nasty, intolerant (or unfa…
/r/Divorce_Men21/07/23 02:29 AM
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You can start dating but you need to be super stealthy about it. Cash payments for meals, drinks, events, hotels. Don’t let anyone meet your kids. Don’t tell any mutual friends you and your stbxw have together about anyone you are dating. Imagine her attorney and private investigator doing everything they can to prove that your spent martial money outside the marriage. Then have a plan to make sure they cannot gather any evidence on you. Make sure you stay focused on the long term goal.
/r/Divorce_Men20/07/23 11:34 AM
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Get the guilt feeling out of your brain. Grey rock for life. These bitches don’t deserve more than a one word answer.
/r/Divorce_Men20/07/23 11:27 AM
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Sounds like the same lunatic we all divorced or are divorcing. If she has a true personality then realize there is no treatment/medication to make her better. Watch Dr Ramani’s videos on YouTube and see if she falls within the characteristics of a Narcissist (at the end of a day only a licensed psychologist should be making the official diagnosis as narcissist is like the word of the year and it is attached to many people with bad behavior). If you think you can handle 50/50 custody of your kids…
/r/Divorce_Men20/07/23 11:14 AM
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At this point it wouldn’t make a difference. But if she would have said something years ago like “I really fucked up our marriage by being a dirty little hoe fucking every guy that gave me attention” then maybe I would be 10% happier.
/r/Divorce_Men19/07/23 10:30 PM
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Get some hobbies. Like all the crap you couldn’t do before.
/r/Divorce_Men13/07/23 10:26 PM
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I’m just adding to what others have said. You are not alone. We are all living with the same terrible women. It’s like they are clones of each other. Such is life. Don’t beat yourself up that you should have done this or that to save the marriage. Maybe you could have dragged it out for another couple of years but you would still end up in the same place, only now with higher alimony payments. Read “the list” on the “men’s divorce forum” You will have to make a case for what your stbxw could mak…
/r/Divorce_Men12/07/23 11:11 AM
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Only if she is super rich.
/r/Divorce_Men12/07/23 01:28 AM
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Get out now. You are still young. She wants kids. And if you do agree to have kids your life will never be the same. Now don’t get me wrong. Kids are amazing and I am glad I had mine. But you guys don’t seem to align in any way right now.
/r/Divorce_Men10/07/23 01:10 AM
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Fuck her. Get the house appraised. She gives you half the value. No discounts.
/r/Divorce_Men09/07/23 03:58 PM
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To help others.
/r/Divorce_Men09/07/23 03:38 PM
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Who the fuck cares what they say. Enjoy their company until they become annoying or cross your boundaries. Don’t ever move in together. Don’t ever get married again.
/r/Divorce_Men08/07/23 11:25 PM
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In no particular order. Golf Yoga Travel Hang out with friends/family Take up a new hobby: Learn an instrument, shoot a gun, rock climbing etc. Exercise Work on your business Netflix Read Tinder
/r/Divorce_Men08/07/23 09:27 PM
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I think most of us will never get married again. But in regards to a long term relationship (hopefully living apart) I would only consider someone who could contribute financially.
/r/Divorce_Men08/07/23 01:03 PM
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Women also file false domestic violence claims to get their husband out of the house. Nobody plays by the rules, and the ones who do are left holding on to one testicle because they gave up everything else.
/r/Divorce_Men06/07/23 11:02 AM
2

Approximately how much pre-marital assets are you bringing to the table?
/r/Divorce_Men04/07/23 10:18 PM
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$60k-$75k in legal fees, mediator and forensic accounting. I don’t want to look at the exact number as it is depressing. But getting your freedom back is priceless.
/r/Divorce_Men04/07/23 10:11 PM
2

Well said.
/r/Divorce_Men03/07/23 10:42 PM
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This is amazing progress. With the old law, after 17 years of marriage, permanent alimony would be awarded more often than not.
/r/Divorce_Men03/07/23 10:31 PM
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Get the fuck out now before it is too expensive later on. Life is too short to spend it with a miserable person.
/r/Divorce_Men03/07/23 01:56 PM
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Can you afford to rent her a small apartment while you go through the divorce process? It is much easier when you don’t see each other.
/r/Divorce_Men03/07/23 01:53 PM
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The idea of traditional marriage, having a life partner, growing a family etc is a good idea. However modern marriage for men is a fucked up concept. Feminism, social media, equal rights and this stupid entitled culture we created is the reason for the problems. It used to be looked down upon when someone got divorced. Oh, poor Sally, her husband cheated on her with his secretary and now she is all alone raising the kids all by herself. Now the story is, Hey did you hear about Bill? His wife che…
/r/Divorce_Men03/07/23 01:47 PM
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50% first time 70% for second marriage 90% for third marriage Most divorces initiated by women and the percentage goes higher if they have a college degree. Then factor in all the couples that don’t get divorced (usually because they cannot afford to) but are unhappy as hell.
/r/Divorce_Men30/06/23 10:53 AM
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Friends with benefits. Situationship. Don’t move in together. Don’t co-mingle kids. Find someone who is okay only seeing you 3-4 times a month.
/r/Divorce_Men25/06/23 09:06 PM
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Stock away as much cash as possible. Keep very detailed financial/budget records for 1-2 years. If there is a huge income disparity then I would also try to have my yearly income as low as possible for 3 years prior to divorce. Fighting for custody is going to be difficult unless there is a DUI or a domestic violence charge or some crazy abuse of drugs/alcohol. Beyond that there is no “well she is a horrible mother and I should have 80% custody” defense in court.
/r/Divorce_Men24/06/23 01:46 PM
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Fuck these women.
/r/Divorce_Men22/06/23 12:23 AM
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Depends on if one party has somewhere to move to (usually with family members) or if they have enough money to afford two places.
/r/Divorce_Men18/06/23 08:39 PM
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Don’t say a thing. Speak with a lawyer first. Figure out what the process involves. Start getting your financials in order. Start hiding cash. Most divorces take at least 6 months. Often times it is 1-2 years to get everything finalized. Determine if you need to gather evidence of bad behavior. Determine if you are going to continue living together in the same home or if one of you is going to move out. Determine if you need a temporary parenting plan. It’s easier to prepare for your portion of …
/r/Divorce_Men18/06/23 06:02 PM
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Ones not listed. Models by Mark Manson The Rationale Male by Rollo Tomassi. How to be a 3% man by Corey Wayne
/r/Divorce_Men16/06/23 11:51 AM
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Dude. You are too young. There are LOTS of other women. Having a toxic woman that is “out of your league” might stroke your ego in the short term, but it will destroy your soul in the long term. We are all programmed to crave and succumb to beautiful women but take it from this group that there is no one woman on this planet that is worth fucking your life over for.
/r/Divorce_Men16/06/23 11:48 AM
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Make sure she makes as much money as you do or has rich parents.
/r/Divorce_Men14/06/23 10:08 PM
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You are welcome to date again. Just don’t move in with anyone, support anyone financially or get married again.
/r/Divorce_Men14/06/23 10:08 PM
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Remember when you played Monopoly as a kid and you had to pay to get out of jail? Think of it as the much more expensive grown up version. Fuck these entitled women. You are a man. Without the warden chaining you down to a jail cell, you will have freedom. And eventually you will make the money back.
/r/Divorce_Men13/06/23 07:14 PM
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Don’t tell your wife anything anymore. Avoid confrontation as much as possible. If she attacks you, let her beat the shit out of you and do not retaliate. Speak to an attorney asap. Every state has different rules. You should be able to get an idea of custody outcomes, asset division and alimony if applicable. Hide as much cash as you possibly can.
/r/Divorce_Men12/06/23 05:23 PM
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Only way I’m getting married again is if she makes as much or close to as much money as I make and she has wealthy parents who will leave her a big estate.
/r/Divorce_Men11/06/23 11:18 PM
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Cheating.
/r/Divorce_Men09/06/23 07:16 PM
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Well said. Good analogy.
/r/Divorce_Men09/06/23 10:55 AM
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Enjoy it. Just don’t get married again and don’t let any of these hoes move in with you. This is the way life should be.
/r/Divorce_Men09/06/23 10:48 AM
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If you have been on this sub long enough you will start to see a pattern in the stories men tell.
/r/Divorce_Men07/06/23 02:21 AM
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What others have said, plus: Don’t engage in any conversation. Don’t get into an argument. If she threatens violence or acts violently just walk away and call police. (You cannot fight back so if she attacks you, just take the hits and try to scramble away).
/r/Divorce_Men03/06/23 11:47 PM
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Seriously.
/r/Divorce_Men03/06/23 11:32 PM
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This is normal. And it’s also normal for 40 something year olds even without divorce or marital issues. It’s part of aging. Stress makes it worse. Practicing proper “sleep hygiene” is difficult. 1) stay hydrated but don’t drink too much before bed. 2) don’t eat too late 3) avoid alcohol 4)super dark and super cold room 5) shut off tv, iPad, iPhone etc 1 hr prior to bedtime 6) melatonin, magnesium, passion flower extract, camomile tea, CBD, Gorilla Mode Sleep Aid, 7) meditation 8) yoga nidra (whi…
/r/Divorce_Men03/06/23 10:36 PM
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Women are emotional beings with no capacity for rational critical thinking. Sometimes the men are to blame, but typically we are busy making money, doing housework, taking care the children, etc. Apparently that is not enough to satisfy a woman. Women need constant emotional stimulation. They get bored very easy. They want excitement and something to look forward to. They don’t like routine, repetition or the mundane. So when they are not getting stimulated at home they look for outside partners…
/r/Divorce_Men01/06/23 12:45 PM
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You are a man with needs. Who cares about the promises. That chapter is done.
/r/Divorce_Men20/05/23 04:24 AM
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Really? I lot of us think that this is the absolute truth. We are all open to a healthy debate and would like to hear your counter-arguments.
/r/Divorce_Men19/05/23 08:55 PM
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The answer depends on your state of residence, how many years you have been married, and how much money you make compared to her (or her earning potential). Then factor in how old are your kids. Speak to an attorney and find out what an estimated alimony and child support payments are going to be and for how many years. Getting more than 50% custody of the kids as a man is nearly impossible unless she has a criminal record or has physically abused the children. Even smoking weed daily or having …
/r/Divorce_Men17/05/23 12:25 AM
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How about all the things you liked before you were married or wanted to do while you were married but couldn’t or had to quit because you were married.
/r/Divorce_Men16/05/23 11:14 PM
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This is a good post. I think a lot of divorced men will leave the USA and retire abroad once their kids are older.
/r/Divorce_Men16/05/23 02:03 PM
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Read the list on the men’s divorce forum. Don’t move out of the house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Control the things you can control. Diet, exercise, sleep. Getting angry at your stbxw or the court system will only stress you out more.
/r/Divorce_Men15/05/23 10:57 PM
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At least you have no kids. Just pay the exit tax and get on with your life. It sucks having to hand over half of everything you worked for to some bitch that just slept in the same bed as you. Fuck marriage.
/r/Divorce_Men10/05/23 01:31 PM
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Go spend $500 on the best divorce lawyer in your city. Have him or her go over the worst case scenario with you regarding buying a home, retirement accounts, having kids, accounts and assets you have prior to marriage. Figure out what your fiancé and your income potentials will be. You need to be made aware of the laws in your state regarding alimony and child support. Remember there is a 50% chance your marriage won’t work no matter how much you love this woman or feel that she is your soul mat…
/r/Divorce_Men10/05/23 12:37 PM
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Just goes to show that these women are all psycho stalkers.
/r/Divorce_Men10/05/23 01:08 AM
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Sounds like a good deal. At least she won’t come back asking you for more money.
/r/Divorce_Men07/05/23 01:14 AM
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Nope. Will just lead to more headaches. She will contact you every time a light bulb needs to be changed.
/r/Divorce_Men03/05/23 01:25 PM
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Anytime I see these posts with no kids there is one easy answer. Do it quick. Pay your marriage tax and get the fuck out. It’s only been 3 years. That is a blink of an eye.
/r/Divorce_Men02/05/23 12:44 AM
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This man knows.
/r/Divorce_Men27/04/23 11:50 AM
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Dude. What you are going through is normal. You have to immediately stop wondering “what if…” There is nothing you could have done to stop this from happening. Most women (some would argue all) are wired the same way. To summarize what others have said. 1) postpartum depression is real and affects women in different ways. Mine turned into a cheater. Others get depressed. Some go crazy. Some become intolerable. “Everything was fine until the 1st (or 2nd or 3rd) kid was born, then she changed….” 2…
/r/Divorce_Men26/04/23 11:47 PM
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I’d rather poke my eyes out with a fork than watch older women complain.
/r/Divorce_Men26/04/23 11:58 AM
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Great post. A lot of guys here need to be reminded of this on a daily basis.
/r/Divorce_Men26/04/23 11:21 AM
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File a court date. She can’t avoid court or the judge.
/r/Divorce_Men24/04/23 10:56 PM
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Get out. Learn from your mistakes. Be thankful you didn’t have kids with her. Pay your exist penalty and move on.
/r/Divorce_Men24/04/23 06:30 PM
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Can’t tell from your post, but if you don’t have any kids, then get out of the house. Go and stay with a friend or family member for a couple of days so that your body can relax and chill out. If you have kids then ignore this advise. You will need another strategy. The begging and promising to change is very common. Don’t fall for the trap.
/r/Divorce_Men24/04/23 11:35 AM
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Your story mirrors what other say when they first post here or midway through the process. The system is fucked. All we can do is warn other men. It will eventually get better. Once you remove the toxicity from your life then you can get back to enjoying life again.
/r/Divorce_Men23/04/23 08:02 PM
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Unless she has a DUI, probably not. If she can function and doesn’t abandon the kids or abuse them then there is nothing the court is going to do.
/r/Divorce_Men13/04/23 09:29 PM
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Enjoy your life. Early 30s with money!!!! This will be a walk in the park. Going through this with no kids is easy. It’s just a break up with a little tax at the end.
/r/Divorce_Men13/04/23 09:28 PM
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You have it much easier with no kids. It’s just accounting at this point. You will do fine.
/r/Divorce_Men13/04/23 05:22 PM
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Don’t get married. Don’t have kids. Check your state law about common law marriage/co-habitation…you might get fucked if you stick around too long even without making it official. Your spidey senses are going off. I’m sure a lot of us here had some doubts but never acted on them. Listen to your gut. Get out before she goes crazy on you. Fuck feminism. She can go and support herself.
/r/Divorce_Men13/04/23 04:01 PM
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Sell her some of your sperm.
/r/Divorce_Men11/04/23 09:48 PM
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Have your parents buy your house and pay them rent. Don’t fucking buy or acquire any large assets while married. Work in a business where you can make cash. Beyond that just figure you are going to give her 50% of everything.
/r/Divorce_Men07/04/23 12:00 PM
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Libido is related to stress. It’s normal to be stressed out during a divorce.
/r/Divorce_Men07/04/23 11:54 AM
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If she makes more than you, then she should be paying you spousal support.
/r/Divorce_Men06/04/23 12:14 AM
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At least she has a job. It could be worse. You could have been married to a stay at home mom that didn’t even stay home (who’s ‘job’ was to go shopping, play tennis, exercise and go to lunch with girlfriends). You could have been looking at permanent (rest of your life) alimony and a larger monthly amount if you were married longer or if she never worked. Try to get a discount by prepaying the spousal support (assuming you have the cash). Family law sucks ass.
/r/Divorce_Men05/04/23 09:37 PM
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These women are beyond toxic, completely unreasonable and impossible to negotiate with. You are going to have to dig deep to another level to remain calm. They are just looking for a reaction from you positive or negative. They are just trying to continue to control you. Don’t engage in any conversations with her unless it is regarding the kids. Only communicate via email so that there is evidence for everything that was said. These divorces are always going to cost more and drag out forever. Th…
/r/Divorce_Men01/04/23 03:12 AM
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Great book. He has some others too that I have no read another new one that will be released soon. Awesome author.
/r/Divorce_Men31/03/23 01:59 AM
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If only we had this vetting process when we were younger. Like someone else said, women are worse. For most of them it is: 6ft tall, 6 figure salary, 6 pack of abs, and at least 6inches in your pants. If you are in the 5-10% of men that have the above stats then maybe you will get a 2nd or 3rd date. And you need to love her dog, want to raise and support her kids, be funny, not be cheap and buy her gifts, spend all your time listening to her problems, and worship her like the queen that she thin…
/r/Divorce_Men30/03/23 11:32 AM
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Read the book “Evolution of Desire”. It was recommended by someone else on this sub. That will explain their mentality. Social media did the rest of the dirty work and turned them all into entitled little bitches. Then there is family law. The law should be that a cheating wife doesn’t get alimony or child support payments. Make them ‘pay’ their infidelity. Ever since divorce was classified as “No fault” the process has ruined men’s lives.
/r/Divorce_Men29/03/23 10:16 PM
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The short answer is no. They are not capable of change. They get dopamine hits if they can trigger a reaction from you whether it is positive or negative. I’ve learned that you cannot control what they are going to say or do. All you can control is how much ‘you give them’ in emotional conversation and how you respond to their ridiculous commentary and behavior.
/r/Divorce_Men25/03/23 11:48 AM
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Go to gym. Try to move some heavy weights while at the same time yelling “fuck you bitch” inside your head. Running or exhausting cardio works for some people. Try martial arts or boxing. Shoot guns and use whatever visuals you want for the target. Participate in competitive sports and take out your aggression on the opponent or the ball, racket, paddle, stick, bat, etc. Yelling is highly encouraged. There are all these “smash rooms” opening up. You can try one of those. Have lots of sex. Or you…
/r/Divorce_Men23/03/23 08:49 PM
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Yes for long term relationship. No for casual hookups.
/r/Divorce_Men13/03/23 11:43 PM
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Don’t move out whatever you do. Meet with a lawyer first. Don’t say anything to your stbx about your plans. Start exercising, eating well and working on sleeping. If you have a good foundation you will be able to mange the upcoming stress more effectively.
/r/Divorce_Men13/03/23 06:02 PM
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How old are your kids? You can only control what you can control. You can’t control her ridiculous commentary and behavior. Focus on yourself. Exercise, nutrition and sleep. These people are energy vampires so you will need all the strength possible to move forward in your life. Be the best dad you can be. The kids will eventually figure out who the more stable parent is. There are some good books on co-parenting with a narcissist.
/r/Divorce_Men13/03/23 11:31 AM
1

Age of children. Being a single dad to infants or young children vs pre-teens or teens is a totally different ballgame.
/r/Divorce_Men12/03/23 05:53 PM
4

Well said. We are all brainwashed/programmed to seek the hottest piece of ass who will pay attention to us and then ignore the red flags.
/r/Divorce_Men10/03/23 02:21 AM
2

All of us that have boys, it is our duty to teach them our life lessons. Wish I had a Time Machine to warn the younger version of myself.
/r/Divorce_Men09/03/23 11:10 PM
1

Yes Sir!!!!!!
/r/Divorce_Men09/03/23 11:08 PM
38

If you don’t have a kid yet, get out now. You can go back to dating her if you want. Don’t move back in together. She is your fuck buddy and nothing more.
/r/Divorce_Men09/03/23 08:28 PM
6

Focus on the big ticket items that can easily be appraised. House and car. If she wants the house and car she has to give you something of equal value. Like retirement accounts, cash or decreased alimony. If you cannot come to an agreement on the 50/50 split of assets then the judge can order that the house be sold.
/r/Divorce_Men09/03/23 02:00 AM
8

Expect a tornado/tsunami/cat 5 hurricane/hail storm/shit storm. Check out “the list” on the men’s divorce forum for preparation advice.
/r/Divorce_Men07/03/23 10:54 PM
6

Both sexes are to blame. Women created unrealistic expectations for marriage and life. Men became a bunch of betas and didn’t stand their ground. Then factor in divorce laws and you have a recipe for disaster.
/r/Divorce_Men06/03/23 01:59 PM
2

This is all assuming that your ex is not a narcissistic moron.
/r/Divorce_Men03/03/23 05:36 PM
2

Do you want to be a single dad to more than one kid under the age of 5? Do you have support like parents or relatives that can help you out? Does your work schedule support being a single parent?
/r/Divorce_Men02/03/23 01:59 AM
4

There is no magical answer. I stayed married longer than anyone else in their right mind would have tolerated for many reasons I won’t go into here. These are the factors I considered: Depends on your kids mental development, emotional maturity, their needs and their ability to be independent. etc. Depends on the kids age. Depends on if she can parent on her own (do you trust her to be a good mother when you are not around) Depends on your income vs her income vs the alimony amount and duration.
/r/Divorce_Men01/03/23 04:50 PM
3

Dude. It’s all in your head. Stress and anxiety kill your libido. Plus there is “first time jitters” especially if you haven’t had sex in a long time. If you tell yourself “I’m not attracted to this girl because of so and so” then you won’t get hard. If you want a FWB and don’t want to think about it too much, then get some Cialis or Viagra.
/r/Divorce_Men27/02/23 07:34 PM
1

Thanks for posing this. Great channel.
/r/Divorce_Men27/02/23 01:57 PM
8

Just don’t get married again.
/r/Divorce_Men22/02/23 12:52 AM
1

Post nups can be challenged. If you are separated then just file for divorce before it gets too expensive.
/r/Divorce_Men22/02/23 12:50 AM
2

Get out now while you can recover from the alimony shock. Not sure what state you are in, but you are approaching permanent alimony based on the length of the marriage. There are some narcissistic quizzes online that you can try to diagnose her yourself. If your wife does in fact have a personality disorder then you need to get out asap. There is no therapy or medication to control these psychos. Don’t even bother with marriage counseling. If she is in fact a Narc then prepare for a nightmare in…
/r/Divorce_Men20/02/23 11:46 PM
2

Get out now while you can. You will pay a minor amount of alimony. You are so young have good income and can easily start over.
/r/Divorce_Men19/02/23 10:03 PM
1

Read some self help books. Pick up a new sport. Like others have said, golf is ultra time consuming. Cook/Clean the house. Hang out with friends. Plan your next vacation.
/r/Divorce_Men19/02/23 09:57 PM
2

How old are you (approximately) and how old are the kids? You don’t want to hang out in torture land for 15 years just for the kids sake. You will be setting a bad example for what a relationship should be. For me it was the culmination of a million little things and a lot of big things and finally telling myself that I was going to be okay alone as a single father. (Basically waiting until my kids were old enough to defend themselves from a narcissist mother).
/r/Divorce_Men17/02/23 06:17 PM
6

Should be easy with no assets and no kids.
/r/Divorce_Men17/02/23 06:07 PM
2

Thank you for this book link. Amazing insight! A must read/listen for everyone.
/r/Divorce_Men13/02/23 01:55 PM
2

Get this done quick before she changes her mind. This is a dream situation for most men.
/r/Divorce_Men10/02/23 12:27 PM
1

https://forum.mensdivorce.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15642 Read this list about 3 times and determine how many of these items you need to complete.
/r/Divorce_Men07/02/23 11:07 PM
3

This!!!
/r/Divorce_Men06/02/23 06:41 PM
6

She doesn’t deserve the truth.
/r/Divorce_Men06/02/23 06:39 PM
3

The short answer is: you won’t know until it is over and done with. But most of the men on here say they wish they did it sooner. For me the possibility of permanent alimony was the deciding factor. If there is a huge income difference you are going to get royally fucked the longer you wait. If you both make the same amount of money then theoretically you could divorce whenever.
/r/Divorce_Men02/02/23 01:51 PM
7

I like this analogy.
/r/Divorce_Men30/01/23 01:04 AM
2

Well said. Spot on.
/r/Divorce_Men29/01/23 12:43 AM
1

These types of women are the worst!
/r/Divorce_Men28/01/23 01:13 PM
13

Get out now.
/r/Divorce_Men27/01/23 12:14 PM
12

Sounds too good to be true.
/r/Divorce_Men25/01/23 12:24 PM
11

They think that their man will forever take care of them while they do nothing. Disney delusional knight in shinning armor syndrome. She is not going to change. Get out now while you are still young. But after 20 years depending on your state laws you could be looking at permanent alimony.
/r/Divorce_Men24/01/23 09:26 PM
1

Great insight.
/r/Divorce_Men24/01/23 01:59 AM
1

Make yourself really busy with the kids and housework. Keep the conversations with her very short. If she starts with any of the emotional garbage talk just respond “I don’t want to have this conversation right now”. Regarding what someone said about stoicism: pick up the book by Marcus Aurelius. It will help change your outlook on life.
/r/Divorce_Men21/01/23 04:50 PM
2

Wow! Amazing deal! House and no alimony is like the double jackpot. Go and celebrate!
/r/Divorce_Men20/01/23 11:05 PM
6

Gym. Diet. New clothes. Shave your head. Start focusing on hobbies that you could not while In the toxic relationship. Own your shit. At least you are not 5’8. And going forward do not care who your stbxw dates or gets into a relationship with. You will be the last one laughing at the chump who falls for her looks without considering her personality.
/r/Divorce_Men20/01/23 12:15 PM
1

Only thing in your favor is that she is in school now getting a degree which may have good income potential. Speak to a lawyer now. Not sure what state you are in but at 21 years of marriage you are probably in the permanent alimony category. I would want to minimize the alimony by whatever means possible.
/r/Divorce_Men19/01/23 12:32 AM
2

Dude. You are young. You will recover. It is just going to take time.
/r/Divorce_Men18/01/23 06:32 PM
1

Meditation my friend. You are already a victim of the family court system. Don’t become a victim to big pharma. Look into natural alternatives.
/r/Divorce_Men18/01/23 12:18 PM
11

You need a way to release all the bad energy from your body. You can do the aggressive way like taking a boxing class or the relaxing way by doing yoga. Or something in between. I like going to the gym and yelling internally “you fucking bitch” on the last couple of repetitions when the weight gets heavy.
/r/Divorce_Men18/01/23 12:12 PM
24

You don’t trust them. Don’t pay for their stuff. Don’t let them move in. Don’t move in with them.
/r/Divorce_Men18/01/23 01:43 AM
-1

Fuck her really good after your kid goes to sleep. Go and play video games. Problem solved.
/r/Divorce_Men15/01/23 08:03 PM
1

Journal every behavior starting now. She yells and screams. Write it down. She throws things at you. Write it down. Carry around a recording device to protect against false domestic violence claims. Start grey rock method on her. Don’t engage in any conversation that doesn’t concern the kids or the management of the house. Don’t react with any hostility. Don’t argue in front of the kids. Walk away from ridiculous conversations. Don’t touch her under any circumstances. Regarding custody: the cour…
/r/Divorce_Men15/01/23 07:59 PM
1

No. It will just take time. Give it a couple of years.
/r/Divorce_Men15/01/23 05:55 PM
3

Thanks for the advice. Well said.
/r/Divorce_Men15/01/23 12:34 PM
20

I think you can “date” in order to get laid and satisfy the sexual urges but my no means should anyone be getting into a relationship.
/r/Divorce_Men13/01/23 02:15 AM
3

I had the same feeling about the kids. It is a terrible thought to have and a terrible emotion to go through. Don’t waste your time or money on therapy. You cannot change “desire” with therapy. She is done with you and has been for a long time. Divorce now and get on with your life. It will suck going from seeing your kids everyday to 50% of the time. The other option you could explore is a post-nup agreement and open marriage, where she can fuck around with whomever she wants and you get to sta…
/r/Divorce_Men12/01/23 08:12 PM
2

They don’t realize happiness comes from within. Social media brainwashed them all. They think that “the man” needs to do everything while they go out for lunch, tennis, yoga and fuck their personal trainer.
/r/Divorce_Men12/01/23 06:52 PM
7

Therapy doesn’t work. Your wife sounds like she has narcissistic/entitlement tendencies. Lots of us have been in the “I’m doing everything I can and she is still not happy” boat. The boys are old enough to be self sufficient and they will be out of the house soon. Can you tolerate this nonsense for another 3-4 years? Probably not, start the paperwork now.
/r/Divorce_Men12/01/23 02:23 PM
36

She was probably fucking other guys for a while but felt bad telling you, so you she made up the story she told you. Be happy you don’t have kids. Pay her to get out of your life and move on. Fuck tinder. Go out in person.
/r/Divorce_Men11/01/23 10:28 PM
6

Don’t move in together.
/r/Divorce_Men11/01/23 11:56 AM
2

The answer is “it depends” How old are the kids? Will they be okay with her 50% of the time? Does your wife work? What qualifications does she have? What is the most amount of money she has made in any year? How much estimated alimony will you have to pay and for how long? How much equity is in the house? Does she have money from an inheritance or parents that will help her out? How old are you and your wife? Is the stress of being in the marriage affecting your physical and mental health? How m…
/r/Divorce_Men11/01/23 11:52 AM
9

Stash the cash. Don’t spend money on stupid shit that has no resale value. Speak to an attorney NOW to find out what the difference would be for alimony if you did it now vs later.
/r/Divorce_Men09/01/23 03:40 AM
6

I would only marry another women who had a higher net worth than me and a higher yearly income. Otherwise it’s just not worth it.
/r/Divorce_Men09/01/23 03:34 AM
1

Why did you not get 50/50 time sharing?
/r/Divorce_Men08/01/23 07:06 PM
9

First your mentality has to change. You are no longer looking for a life partner, soul mate or the mother of your children.
/r/Divorce_Men08/01/23 06:59 PM
7

If you can swallow the permanent alimony pill then go for it. No sense being miserable. And you don’t have kids at home to worry about.
/r/Divorce_Men08/01/23 01:11 PM
1

One stealth move is to lower the credit limit immediately on any joint credit cards. Change all your passwords. File paperwork quickly.
/r/Divorce_Men08/01/23 01:04 PM
6

I second this, meet women in person. Less likely to get catfished and waste your time. There are no photo/video filters in real life (well maybe beer goggles….) It’s like 80% men and 20% women on apps. Women get so many date requests from desperate men that they develop an enlarged ego and even more entitlement. So now you have 5s and 6s thinking that they are 9s and 10s.
/r/Divorce_Men08/01/23 12:50 PM
1

I keep repeating to myself “life is too short to be miserable”.
/r/Divorce_Men07/01/23 01:45 PM
6

It’s always my fault and her new thing is to say that maybe I am the one who needs therapy.
/r/Divorce_Men06/01/23 10:42 PM
3

Apply for another credit card. Home equity line of credit. Bank loan. Whatever it takes to get the bitch out of your life. When the home sells or she “buys you out” you will be able to pay off all your debts.
/r/Divorce_Men05/01/23 12:34 AM
18

You can try. And they might say they will make an effort. But in the end they won’t do anything.
/r/Divorce_Men04/01/23 08:43 PM
26

Messages like this and others need to be shown to young men in their 20s.
/r/Divorce_Men03/01/23 08:39 PM
1

If there are no kids, this will be easy. Pay your dues and move on.
/r/Divorce_Men03/01/23 01:12 PM
2

Well said.
/r/Divorce_Men03/01/23 01:05 PM
15

First it’s help her move in. Then it’s can you help with the WiFi. Then it’s can you come over and help me hang up a picture. Then it’s can you do me this favor…..it will be never ending if you don’t put your foot down.
/r/Divorce_Men29/12/22 07:44 PM
5

That’s a bargain for freedom.
/r/Divorce_Men28/12/22 03:20 AM
11

You are approaching the “cheaper to keep her” zone. Are you in a state where the length of your marriage means permanent alimony? Your retirement will likely be delayed. Her future financial issues are not your problem anymore. In all likelihood you will be giving her more money than she deserves because the family court system is a total shit show.
/r/Divorce_Men28/12/22 02:07 AM
17

Life is not fair. Teach your sons and nephews about the “real world”. Disney/Hollywood poisoned our brains with romantic fairy tales where everyone lives happily every after.
/r/Divorce_Men27/12/22 07:18 PM
3

Make it clear from the early stages that you just want something casual. Sometimes your lack of availability is an attractive quality. Women are weird and desire what they cannot have.
/r/Divorce_Men23/12/22 12:20 PM
6

Dude. She is giving you the classic gaslighting technique. Don’t fall for her mind fucks. Check out Dr Ramani on YouTube on how to heal from a narcissistic relationship. The content is better than any crap you could get from a therapist.
/r/Divorce_Men23/12/22 01:04 AM
2

Is your wife depressed? Maybe send her to therapy, but regardless of the outcome you are probably better off without her. You are young and have a lot of time ahead of you. Get out now while the alimony is cheap. It will be the best money you ever spent to start over. Date lots of different women and don’t settle down until you are almost 40.
/r/Divorce_Men23/12/22 12:54 AM
2

Get the books “co-parenting with a narcissist” and “stop caretaking the borderline or narcissist” and “raising resilient children with a borderline or narcissist”.
/r/Divorce_Men22/12/22 02:34 AM
7

All we can do is warn our sons, nephews, cousins, friends and other young men that we know about the dangers of marrying the wrong woman.
/r/Divorce_Men22/12/22 02:25 AM
7

Does your wife have a personality disorder? (The description you wrote is consistent with the characteristics of someone with BPD).
/r/Divorce_Men21/12/22 02:06 PM
6

Great summary.
/r/Divorce_Men21/12/22 12:14 PM
14

If you don’t have a kid, run immediately to an attorney.
/r/Divorce_Men21/12/22 02:32 AM
17

I think you can subpoena that transactions from Venmo and Zelle. Speak to an attorney. You need to prove she makes more money than what she is reporting.
/r/Divorce_Men18/12/22 10:36 PM
1

They all want to keep the marital home. But none of them understand the financial situation. Like others have said, unless she gives up alimony or has a family inheritance there is no way for her to afford the home.
/r/Divorce_Men18/12/22 04:02 PM
3

Good luck man. Narcs are psychotic. I hope you are mentally prepared for the upcoming shit storm.
/r/Divorce_Men17/12/22 04:02 PM
4

What state are you in? Why would she agree to no child support if the kids are so young. Why would she agree to only 2 years or alimony?
/r/Divorce_Men15/12/22 05:03 PM
1

The criteria would be: 1) She has a job/career/permanent alimony that supports her and her children comfortably. 2) She has 50/50 custody and isn’t in some situation with her ex where she has the kids all the time. 3) She doesn’t have any personality disorders 4) She is self sufficient and is not emotionally co-dependent. 5) The kids would have to be at least 10 years old. 6) Her parents have money.
/r/Divorce_Men13/12/22 04:06 PM
2

Holy fuck! What hell hole state is this so I can tell my kid never to move there?
/r/Divorce_Men11/12/22 11:03 PM
4

You didn’t say if you had a kid or not. If you don’t have kids then you are lucky. It sucks when you learn that the person you trusted and told all your personal secrets and thoughts to turns out to be a dishonest bitch. Welcome to the club. You will be fine. Men are tough. We are genetically programmed to overcome obstacles and fight and go to war. You will survive and eventually recover and be a better person. Exercise. Eat properly. And try to sleep. Start meditation immediately. Close your e…
/r/Divorce_Men11/12/22 10:21 PM
19

Acknowledging that continuing to live with a narcissist was going to kill me prematurely from stress. If I didn’t have any kids I would have checked out years ago after the first instance of infidelity.
/r/Divorce_Men08/12/22 05:55 PM
6

This man knows!
/r/Divorce_Men07/12/22 09:56 PM
2

This might be the only way.
/r/Divorce_Men06/12/22 03:02 AM
2

This is a great method if you are in a small town. If you are in a metropolitan city then just find out who the biggest asshole/sharks are and consult with them to create conflict of interest.
/r/Divorce_Men05/12/22 10:45 PM
37

You are young and you don’t have any kids. Count your blessings.
/r/Divorce_Men05/12/22 12:03 AM
2

Go and get your testosterone blood levels checked.
/r/Divorce_Men03/12/22 04:49 PM
1

Find out what the law is in your state. You are approaching permanent alimony territory in some states. Waiting until the kids are gone to college is going to cost you a ton of money especially if you make more money than her. Assuming your kids are older and not infants you may want to pull the plug now.
/r/Divorce_Men01/12/22 05:01 AM
6

Wish I could upvote this 20x
/r/Divorce_Men30/11/22 02:29 PM
1

Get out now before you get close to a permanent alimony situation. You are still young.
/r/Divorce_Men11/11/22 12:12 PM
3

Don’t do it.
/r/Divorce_Men01/11/22 12:52 PM
2

Nice addition. That post should be mandatory reading for everyone.
/r/Divorce_Men29/10/22 02:28 PM
2

Was your ex ever diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder? This story seems like all the others I have read.
/r/Divorce_Men19/10/22 12:27 AM
1

Text her again very casually on Wednesday and ask her out for the following weekend.
/r/seduction19/09/22 10:34 PM
8

Offer them a ride in your lambo or private jet. They don’t respond to anything else.
/r/seduction12/09/22 08:29 PM
1

All the basics still apply. Except you won’t be meeting women on college campus or at the club. If anything you have an advantage as an older male because you are established (hopefully) and have some money.
/r/seduction31/08/22 05:53 PM
1

It’s scary how PBD stories are always the same.
/r/MarriedRedPill11/08/22 10:51 PM
1

They want a nice guy to marry but they want to fuck the bad boy.
/r/seduction11/08/22 10:03 PM
3

Wait for 2nd date. Try again.
/r/seduction08/08/22 05:11 PM
9

They are called escorts or sugar babies.
/r/seduction04/08/22 11:22 AM
1

Same something ridiculous.
/r/seduction02/08/22 10:57 AM
-11

Dude. Milfs want to get laid. Flirt. Comment on how great her body looks even after a kid.
/r/seduction01/08/22 11:51 PM
2

If you chat them up the bar you will have a little more time as they are committed to waiting for their drinks. Even better if the bartender is overworked with orders and moving really slow.
/r/seduction26/07/22 12:34 PM
5

Seduce no, long term relationship yes.
/r/seduction22/07/22 02:15 AM
2

More alcohol sometimes works and sometimes backfires. There is a small window of opportunity between too sober and too drunk. isolating them from their friends. Some girls are embarrassed to make out with a guy in front of their friends.
/r/seduction17/07/22 08:16 PM
1

No
/r/seduction06/07/22 01:42 AM
1

It depends.
/r/seduction29/06/22 11:39 AM
32

Ask her if she is in an open marriage? Just be direct so you don’t waste your time.
/r/seduction29/06/22 11:38 AM
3

Take a 2 month vacation and detox your body from OLD. Go out in person and speak to girls you find attractive. Less chance of being catfished.
/r/seduction26/06/22 02:00 AM
0

I tell girls that I prefer to live in the real world and not in the meta verse.
/r/seduction02/06/22 09:53 PM
11

Tell her she is sexy.
/r/seduction29/05/22 01:51 PM
1

Don’t get stuck in the girlfriend trap while you are at your sexual prime. That is a waste of cum. Sleep around as much as possible. But be safe and always use protection.
/r/seduction11/05/22 12:24 AM
2

Be different. Show them a good time and that you are fun and then maybe you will get a second date. Also it’s more difficult to flirt and touch when you are sitting opposite each other at a table shoving food in your mouth.
/r/seduction05/05/22 12:20 PM
3

Don’t take them out for dinner on the first date. Meet up for drinks or do something fun. Dinner should be date 2 or 3. Plus you will save money.
/r/seduction04/05/22 11:17 PM
-1

Read Dan Bilzerian’s book.
/r/seduction11/04/22 02:03 PM
4

If you have abundance in your sex life then you won’t seem so desperate when you try and pickup/hook up with a 9 or 10. For some guys it’s just a numbers game. They just need tally marks. Sometimes average looking women are more down to earth, there is a better mental connection, or maybe they are better in bed.
/r/seduction11/04/22 02:02 PM
1

Unless you are on the adjacent sit down cycling machine or elliptical machine, I don’t see how you can have a conversation. The only other option would be a group fitness class.
/r/seduction31/03/22 11:58 AM
1

Start loving yourself. This way you don’t need love from anyone else. Also you need to approach women from a sense of abundance. Meaning you either have so much good stuff in your life or other women in your life that a single rejection/ghosting will not bother you.
/r/seduction17/03/22 01:04 PM
1

If you have an addictive personality then no.
/r/seduction09/03/22 12:10 PM
1

Use protection and don’t get any girl pregnant.
/r/seduction09/03/22 12:08 PM
2

Find a friend who does photography for a hobby. Use a good camera.
/r/seduction05/03/22 12:48 AM
6

Play pool.
/r/seduction24/02/22 10:30 PM
3

The three most important things are nose, teeth and hair. A smile goes a long way.
/r/seduction05/02/22 12:47 PM
0

Thanks. Wish I had this years ago.
/r/seduction29/01/22 03:52 AM
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