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Dave8889/r/seduction03/02/22 12:28 AM
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Well, she lives in a different country than me. I found her on a chatting site. I guess she liked me enough to want to take it to snap chat, but soon realized/accepted it was going nowhere (since none of us mentioned or alluded to an actual relationship), so she wanted to cut the thread. I can’t really blame her, but the move she pulled was pretty shocking and happened (seemingly automatically) after she sent me a snap of herself. I knew it was going nowhere though lol, so that helps me through …
/r/seduction11/02/22 12:44 AM
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Oh, I don’t mean the snap (video clip) or chat messages being gone. I meant the whole actual chat disappearing, on its own, from the main screen chat list.
/r/seduction11/02/22 12:40 AM
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Cool, thanks bud!
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:47 AM
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That’s a good one. I’m curious, what did you mean when you said experience would address sloppy behaviour while unstifled?
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:44 AM
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Nice. At least that job gets you some opportunities to socialize. Sounds good. But don’t you go back to being stuck in your head the next day after being in state on a night out? It sounds like the unstifling process is something that you’ll always have to do, because being in state isn’t forever.
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:38 AM
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Thanks for commenting. Curious, how is experience going to address it? Also, do you mean to say I’ll reach point where I’ll be unstifled all the time and won’t need the unstifling process to get me into deep state? From what I thought, I thought you will always need to get into state, but that the amount of time that it takes to reach state becomes less when you can become better at calling upon it (which is something else I’m actually wondering how people get better at).
/r/seduction03/02/22 03:06 AM
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Right!? Use it or lose it. It ain’t the size of the boat, it’s the motion in the ocean! Lol. (Where did that come from!??? 😝 haha jk)
/r/seduction28/05/21 01:20 AM
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That’s a novel way to look at it.
/r/seduction28/05/21 01:17 AM
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Interesting take on it.
/r/seduction28/05/21 01:16 AM
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Yeah — that’s an interesting perspective. Thanks.
/r/seduction28/05/21 01:14 AM
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Actually, I’m not any of those. I’m not sure if anyone reported/flagged my question, but please refrain from commenting if it doesn’t concern the question. Lots of great answers here that I read through. Thanks.
/r/seduction28/05/21 01:05 AM
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I mean for some reason when a guy goes on stage, their instincts are to impress everyone in the audience (especially the women!). It’s more pressuring, as a guy, knowing that women are in the audience (and that it’s not just guys in the audience).
/r/seduction26/05/21 02:35 PM
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To your edit: It just feels like going that extra obsessive mile with the self-analysis will help you get really good at game. And I appreciate your candour! Thanks for giving your thoughts.
/r/seduction06/05/21 01:09 PM
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Thanks for giving details. Yeah, I can see that I’m quite obsessed with crafting my game. Lol. I was using RSD instructors as a reference point since since Owen and Julien are both great at what they do, and yet Julien still gets the better reactions and has the better command over his behaviours. And in terms of reactions, I feel like Julien does monitor for reactions and calibrates to them, which is what makes it feel like an important quality to cultivate for anyone gaming (despite not being …
/r/seduction06/05/21 12:51 PM
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Can you please elaborate?
/r/seduction06/05/21 12:37 PM
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Haha sorry, I realize it was all over the place. I actually wasn’t all that sure how to articulate my issue, so that’s probably the reason why...
/r/seduction06/05/21 12:34 PM
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Well actually, I just want to piggyback on your point — rejections realistically could be interpreted either way — that either you weren’t presenting the best version of yourself to her (in which case there could be something in your interaction to isolate and improve on for the next times), or that you two wouldn’t have been compatible anyway (even if you were presenting the best possible version of yourself). But in either case I think there can be things to be taken from the reference experie…
/r/seduction05/05/21 11:35 AM
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Great. Thanks
/r/seduction04/05/21 03:07 AM
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Thanks for commenting. It sounds like external feedback is the only way to go about this. Aside from that, I guess you have to learn to be in-tune enough with your own actions and vibes that you can self-correct (according to how you idealize your game to look like) and notice areas where things could be better (even though you’re doing the bare minimum and it seems to be working) over time? It’s just difficult and kind of a grey area (subjective) to learn how to improve once you’re already gett…
/r/seduction04/05/21 01:03 AM
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Doesn’t flow state bring you to the present moment? And when we’re in the present moment, every bodily experience feels even more vivid; I would imagine this means more exhausting to the mind and body? As an unconventional example: Let’s say I’m at a university lecture in class. It’a easier for me to sit patiently for a few hours when I’m stifled and I’m my head. For some reason I have better access to my mental strength, although I would be too terrified to have to go up to the front, had the t…
/r/seduction15/04/21 06:31 AM
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It sounds almost like Ch. 5 of that book teaches you how to summon your own vibe via imagination, and then to emotionally frame yourself in your social interactions according to that vibe. From what I think I understand, it will explain how to “imagine a calmer vibe”, which would then become a reality when I truly believe and embody that vibe (which would ultimately slow down my impulses, and give me the illusion of control over them — but then wouldn’t that just stifle me all over again if I’m …
/r/seduction15/04/21 06:26 AM
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So you mean do the meditations both when you’re in state and out of state? And then the effects of meditation would get carried into your in-state state regardless of when you did it?
/r/seduction15/04/21 06:15 AM
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Do this while stifled, and then its effects would work when you get into state? How can this translate to having an effect while I’m in state? Being in state feels like it basically turns of your (over)thinking mind, and hence, your strategic mind.
/r/seduction15/04/21 05:35 AM
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Maybe you’re on to something there. That seems like a common issue
/r/seduction14/04/21 11:40 PM
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Haha not exactly related to my question, but yeah I do
/r/seduction13/04/21 07:04 AM
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Even if I had something to brag about, I wouldn’t care to. I was actually asking a question, but I guess it’s quite vague and obtuse, as someone mentioned.
/r/seduction13/04/21 06:46 AM
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Sure, that’s another way to look at it too
/r/seduction09/04/21 04:55 AM
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Hey man, it sounds like it could actually be a few different things. I was thinking it might be that she wanted to play hard to get in return, because she thought you might’ve been playing hard to get with what you did with your message. She may have been worried about coming across as more interested in you than you were in her (in her own mind). But I’m not sure about her personality type… Personality type really matters in this case, because it helps you interpret why she did what she did.
/r/seduction09/04/21 12:24 AM
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Have you found that calling them out or ignoring them doesn’t work as well as low investment, attraction-assuming texts?
/r/seduction09/04/21 12:08 AM
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By sending low investment texts, do you mean to distinguish this from calling her out? Do you mean low investment as in continuing to msg her as if nothing went wrong (the opposite of calling her out)?
/r/seduction08/04/21 12:24 AM
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Hm sucks man. Good luck. Learning experience, eh?
/r/seduction08/04/21 12:21 AM
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No, being modest, I’ve still got a lot to learn
/r/seduction08/04/21 12:16 AM
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Yeah man I see see what you mean about that. Thing is, responding to a brick wall with another brick wall sometimes just plain makes her not care 2x the amount (depending on her personality type). My goal to begin with is not very plausible, since I’m trying to get at as many women as possible (while paradoxically trying to keep a frame of abundance). I guess it’s just a gamble of whether ignoring her reaction to you will work or not, particularly when the net I’m casting is this wide and I’m tr…
/r/seduction07/04/21 03:44 PM
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True dat! But surprisingly, even some of the most mature and perceptive ones have chinks in their armour — it just seem to take a more advanced level of the same type of game (or a longer time of it) to get through to them.
/r/seduction07/04/21 03:40 PM
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That’s def a method. My guess is it only works on the more broken type of women, since they crave the validation the most and are willing to work for it.
/r/seduction07/04/21 03:32 PM
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Yeah calling is wayyyy more personal and give them a more real experience.
/r/seduction07/04/21 03:31 PM
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Yeah, I see what you mean about all the ‘gray areas’ — they’re particularly what I’ve been thinking about too. Leaving a girl, or having been left by a girl, on read can be interpreted in a variety of ways (by either the girl or guy), especially when it involves different personality types/moral value systems. While some women might be lured back in by the allure and mystery of being left on read, others would completely give up (due to ego and not caring to stick their neck out any further unle…
/r/seduction07/04/21 03:20 PM
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Interesting. Thanks for elaborating
/r/seduction07/04/21 07:58 AM
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I wanted to see what kind of approach was working for others. I wasn’t knocking your approach dude. If that kind of an approach works, I’d be curious to see what kind of women it works on (because they may be different from the kind of women I’m talking to). But if an approach does work, I’m totally open to hearing about it with open ears (regardless of my initial impression of it).
/r/seduction07/04/21 07:53 AM
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Maybe inhumane wasn’t the right word, but it just seems quite far off. That’s not to criticize the approach or anything, (because if it works, great), but it feels a little too aloof (even when they left you on read to begin with). Lol
/r/seduction07/04/21 07:47 AM
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It just feels like not caring at all comes across as completely inhumane, even to damaged women themselves (who would normally be attracted to that approach). I’ve personally had the most success with luring them back in with lighthearted teases and jokes (potentially busting their balls, although not overdone to seem try-hard/desperate for their attention back), at times with a nuance of guilt-tripping. I guess different things work with different personalities, but I was curious to see what wo…
/r/seduction07/04/21 07:42 AM
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I see what you mean, brah! Nice. Power to you 👌
/r/seduction04/04/21 05:37 AM
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It’s just interesting because I see that someone like RSD Julien (you may be familiar with him and Real Social Dynamics) does have a degree of people-catering dancing monkey in his gaming persona (and even in his seminar personae), and he seems to be a very successful pickup artist. Of course, he doesn’t advocate being an entertainer with women when it isn’t congruent to the person you inherently are, but for some reason I still see a nuance of catering and performing in his game. I’m not sure i…
/r/seduction04/04/21 05:28 AM
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This sounds like an easy trap for guys to fall into. Like they might be a champ at texting, but then not know how to carry that same attractiveness into real life (because it may ultimately contradict their authentic personality on some level — which is a benefit of the doubt that the girl receives when she’s reading your texts, since she can imagine your delivery of them, but it isn’t good when she doesn’t see/feel that same delivery in real life when actually chatting live with you, where you …
/r/seduction04/04/21 04:56 AM
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Yeah I am finding success with texting (because I can text the perfect things at the perfect times), but then how the hell am I supposed to be that same person when in-person? No one can riff like it’s a Hollywood movie script like that (at least in-person). As a side note — from what I’ve seen, loads of women text like they speak (even though it’s very predictable and not that glamorous to read). They never have to fret over saying the perfect thing over text (or in-person, for that matter). It…
/r/seduction04/04/21 04:05 AM
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Sure, but in terms of what? Making your live, in-person conversations match how you can calculatively text in a text message convo? Do you mean they would eventually match each other with enough practice?
/r/seduction04/04/21 03:12 AM
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I think abundance actually is an attractive quality for anyone to have at any point in their life, and counterintuitively can be an attraction amplifier even when exclusive with a girl (like you mentioned about other women being attracted to married men, for various reasons). I don’t necessarily mean to tap into that abundance and use it to bang bombshells on the side, but it’s quite healthy to have that self-assured abundance mindset generally in life (while staying smart and loyal with it — we…
/r/seduction27/03/21 03:14 AM
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👌 Yeah man, valid points! Conditioning ourselves to think abundantly like this, I wonder how the exclusivity of marriage would be affected by this mindset. Do you think it would be an unhealthy mindset to carry into the married phase of life?
/r/seduction26/03/21 04:36 AM
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Thanks for empathizing. You know, I was reflecting on that too. I was thinking maybe I was overboard with all the compliments. It didn’t bother me that much when she unfriended me since I decided to assume that compliment-showering frame from a place of abundance and not care that much if I lost the girl due to recklessness (and I hope she ultimately comes to reflect on that too, and perhaps re-connect with a stronger attraction, maybe lol). But then I’m not sure why she sent me a live pic capti…
/r/seduction26/03/21 04:00 AM
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Actually, I was initially going to screenshot and post it here for the entertainment aspect of it (so it would get more attention, and in turn, more help on this sub). But what I can do is describe the gist of what I wrote. I basically met a girl on a chatting app and invited her to Snapchat. She wasn’t a very talkative girl (on the first app, and the same case on snap) and seemed quite cold and unresponsive right off the bat. I just chalked this up to her being shy, afraid of being judged, and …
/r/seduction26/03/21 03:41 AM
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What does that even mean lol
/r/seduction25/03/21 11:49 PM
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Thanks for the quick answer. I sent her an additional message and it says waiting for her to add me back as a friend. So pretty much exactly what you were saying. Thanks again. That snap count thing is a pretty easy way to know!
/r/seduction25/03/21 11:17 PM
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Yeah both circumstances def give you ways to emotionally spike women. I figure this is partly why many married women want to cheat on their spouses, as a side note. Because life‘s responsibilities, monotony, and potentially a serious/logical, providing husband are weighing down on them and they feel like they want that carefree vibe back in their life. A carefree guy giving canned lines in his 20s on tinder definitely sparks some of that into her life. Although the best of all worlds is a guy wh…
/r/seduction20/03/21 05:44 AM
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What do you mean by that? I don’t really get what you mean by throwaway vs immediate reaction
/r/seduction20/03/21 05:37 AM
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Do you mean they were taken in by such comments on tinder or in real life? And I’m guessing that would be because those women get more of an emotional spike (and love that feeling of thrill and carefreeness) with the guys delivering those lines (with better subcommunications), than from intelligent men being typical and boring and logical in their typical and boring and logical banter (with terrible, limited, stifled subcommunications). Universally all women want that emotional spike, which is s…
/r/seduction20/03/21 05:32 AM
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That’s a great answer actually. I was also thinking nice to meet you displays authenticity and social intelligence, both which I’d figure should be more attractive (shows more value) than nonsensical, recycled lines (with no follow-up banter), even to women who just want sex (in real life and on Tinder).
/r/seduction20/03/21 04:44 AM
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Thanks for pointing those things out. Why am I not as in control in this situation?
/r/seduction20/03/21 03:09 AM
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I wonder where he got the inspiration to learn that kind of emotional/behavioural control. He was not at all like this when he first started training with Owen. I’ve seen videos of him when he was first starting out and his gaming style was very linear and repetitive — there wasn’t much uniqueness to his game, and he was basically linearly regurgitating what he saw Owen doing with the women. Julien hardly brought this dynamic control of his emotions into teaching/assisting seminars in his early …
/r/seduction27/02/21 03:31 AM
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I wonder where he got the inspiration to learn how to that, and how he trained to be able to do it. Almost sounds like he has an artificial control over which emotions he can summon on demand. Sounds almost like a psychopath
/r/seduction27/02/21 03:17 AM
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Wow, thanks for the firsthand insights. Interesting to see the perspective on an actual student. I actually have seen a video about women Julien has dated from one of his programs. He mentions that he dated several women and alternated between vibes (so to speak), and got interesting reactions from these women. What had me confused was how he went from going ‘full asshole’ (in one of his relationships) to the ‘gentleman vibe’ he can also exhibit (and now has brought into his marriage). Like I me…
/r/seduction26/02/21 04:18 AM
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Most people who are embodying their realest vibe can’t broadcast that many different facets of it… I was starting to wonder whether these vibes were more calibrations of his true personality, or just great ‘method acting’ (method acting involves fully embodying a character role and almost literally becoming that character for a given period of time).
/r/seduction26/02/21 02:30 AM
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But how are his vibes so different from each other? Wouldn’t broadcasting such a plethora of vibes on demand be emotionally exhausting?
/r/seduction26/02/21 02:25 AM
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Great answer! Thanks. It must be emotionally exhausting for someone to be able to calibrate their personality to that extent around different people and in different situations. Most people don’t calibrate themselves that much, and you basically get the same vibe from them in every scenario. They also tend to genuinely react to different social situations, while Julien seems to have the skill to be able to summon the appropriate emotion and congruently broadcast it (he seems to be in good contro…
/r/seduction26/02/21 02:17 AM
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I’m just using the same word Julien used to describe it in one of his videos (when someone in the audience asked how/why Julien wears different vibes during different seminars). Julien referred to it as “summoning a vibe”.
/r/seduction25/02/21 03:26 AM
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Doesn’t summoning the vibe work the same for any vibe?
/r/seduction25/02/21 03:24 AM
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Thanks for posting!
/r/seduction22/02/21 07:24 AM
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Haha thanks, man! Encouragement and support from all angles is always appreciated 😉 You know, I even entertained the idea that he might have every person Covid tested before they enter the seminar room… But then I remembered how expensive that would probably be (to say the least!).
/r/seduction22/02/21 06:57 AM
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Yep, hopefully times get better in the not-so-distant-future. I’m actually not even setup online with the stuff yet. I’m pretty much just doing it unofficially via word of mouth and haven’t even set up a website yet. Although I do see the benefits of doing such stuff online for the future. Yeah, I know that Julien is participating in the free cybertours, but I’m curious to know how he has been doing it in person recently during Covid. His seminars seem to be a huge means of delivering his conten…
/r/seduction22/02/21 06:24 AM
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Who knows if things are even getting close to becoming better ☹️. I think it’s safest and most effective to operate from a perspective of assuming it’s going to stay like this for months, or even years, to come... so, work with it! 👍 Thanks for the suggestion, as well! That makes sense to use quarantine time to attack whichever aspects I can. Thanks for the thorough answer. I’m still very curious to know how Julien is doing all these in accordance with Covid.
/r/seduction22/02/21 04:47 AM
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Well from what I’ve seen on Julien’s Instagram stories, he’s still doing in-person seminars? And working out at the gym without a mask? And general traveling without a mask. Maybe these insta stories were older — I’m not sure exactly. Isn’t that completely unsafe when it comes to seminars?
/r/seduction22/02/21 04:19 AM
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For some reason I feel like texting exactly as you speak is SO incredibly boring and in a sense, predictable (even despite having interesting things to talk about). Reading well crafted text, that doesn’t sound like everyday speak, feels like reading an entertaining novel that keeps you on your toes and causes you to use your mental faculties (creativity, etc.) to come up with things that veer from the usual social script. But I do realize that this is very unrealistic to maintain and carry over…
/r/seduction17/02/21 03:28 AM
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Actually, this may seem like a long shot, but I think technology may have even improved/encouraged authentic communication in some ways too. Vulnerability and self-awareness seem to be big things these days, while in the past they were things people may have been extra reluctant to express. Social media seem to spread these pervasively, and people, globally, seem to be bandwagoning on the idea of authenticity, which in turn, I’d figure, is reflecting on how they then choose to communicate in the…
/r/seduction15/02/21 06:27 AM
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Sorry, I’m a bit confused.. what did you mean about that part about the benefits of speaking to texting reversed? Also, is this what you were referring to as my main point? I’m also quite curious what you mean by “authentically spoken”. Do you mean people had better social skills back then, whereas nowadays communication is hindered and undermined by the inauthenticity of technology?
/r/seduction15/02/21 05:56 AM
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Totally — I see your point. Spontaneous can also be authentic, for sure. But I was thinking that for the most part, people put their idealized version of themselves forth when texting, and that they can’t always back that up in reality. It’s just a lot easier and less consequential to use the inherent advantages of texting (time to think and respond, edit what you want to say to best serve any objectives, etc.) to bring that idealized version of oneself to life, when, much of the time, that can’…
/r/seduction15/02/21 03:52 AM
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I actually had a thought about that too. But I was thinking it’s a lot easier to get away with manipulation (so to speak) when done over text, since it gives you that inherent advantage of time to intelligently reflect on the message and respond most optimally (to further whatever objective you have). You also don’t have to worry about your facial language or vocal tonality giving you away, or about them potentially being incongruent with your message.
/r/seduction15/02/21 03:40 AM
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What if it’s just a personality type where joking around doesn’t come naturally to you (and not necessarily an indication of low social IQ)? You may have an adequate social IQ, but not have the natural inclination to express that outwardly. I guess then it’s recommended to use banter as a tool on your social tool belt?
/r/seduction06/02/21 05:36 AM
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Are you referring to the serious personality type as being more advantageous when it comes to achieving goals aimed towards one’s well-being? Sorry, didn’t quite get what you meant..
/r/seduction06/02/21 05:07 AM
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I just feel like that serious personality type doesn’t go as far in life, generally speaking (but then again, the definition of success is subjective for each person). (You may be thinking about various successful serious, gung-ho entrepreneurs at this point... lol. But even they have their insecurities.) Even if I were to be that serious person I may naturally and comfortably be, I would always know there’s something ‘better’ beyond the curtain of life. Just look at the dating scene, as a quick…
/r/seduction06/02/21 04:51 AM
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What do you mean? Could you elaborate on that?
/r/seduction06/02/21 04:47 AM
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Did you mean to link something in your comment? I see a “(here)”, but nothing is actually there.
/r/seduction31/01/21 07:37 AM
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I actually don’t mind those things. I know that it comes with the territory. I was just particularly curious about the in your own head versus out of your own head aspect of it. I wasn’t necessarily trying to ask about how to avoid them.
/r/seduction31/01/21 12:38 AM
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Yes, that makes a lot of sense — without action, theory means close to nothing. However, I’m a little hesitant to start acting since I’m not sure whether it will be as effective as any alternatives. I guess I was just hoping for a sustainable closure to this issue. I was surprised I couldn’t find much about it on Reddit in general. Thanks for your two cents!
/r/seduction31/01/21 12:16 AM
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I’d be curious to see that video! It could potentially be that Tyler had really warmed her up, and that Julien tipped her over the edge. But it also seems plausible that Julien could’ve done it all on his own since he does know how to wear a lot of emotion in his facial expressions (and as we know, women are primarily reactive to emotions).
/r/seduction30/01/21 02:27 AM
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Where did you learn that from?
/r/seduction29/01/21 10:39 AM
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Haha I’ve seen a lot of Julien’s videos back then, and I’ve never actually seen one where he describes his eye contact making them wet. Wonder which that one is And I figured Julien was making boatloads of money through transformation mastery (in addition to whatever else he has selling right now). He only advertises it like every free tour.
/r/seduction29/01/21 10:19 AM
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I mean you make it sound like he’s filthy rich... isn’t he also scraping by, just like everyone else?
/r/seduction29/01/21 07:30 AM
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