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I actually was quite liberal just a several years ago (and still is in a certain way). The trick is, I was born and used to live in a very conservative country and definition of "liberalism" there is quite different. My beliefs didn't change at all since then but in the country where I live now they are considered to be quite conservative (not radically conservative but still).
/r/MensRights14/03/24 09:55 PM
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We need to develop our social skills to convince women to sleep with us. Why? I develop my social skills to succeed in my job because I need it to pay my bills and buy groceries otherwise I just won't survive. But no one ever died because of lack of sex. And here's the thing,criticising their choices isn't gonna bring them any closer to accountability because the market is filled with men who will validate their feelings. I always said that it is better to be single than with the women like that…
/r/MensRights14/03/24 12:11 PM
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To put it simply - they want equal benefits but not equal responsibilities and drawbacks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/24 12:44 AM
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Electoral authoritarianism isn't impossible - I was born in the country where such system exists and our elections is a choice between "primary candidate" and a bunch of clowns who are no real competition. And real competition is eliminated with sweeping power of government security agencies even before elections if someone stupid enough wants to participate in them. Hell, even mister Adolf H came to power using electoral mechanism and we all know how it is ended.
/r/MensRights18/06/23 09:06 PM
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To each their own. I would rather earn enough money to buy everything I need myself than rely on government to provide for me. I don't need government in my backyard I saw what happens when it has to much power over people - it starts to abuse this power.
/r/MensRights18/06/23 02:58 PM
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Take the dark history of Nestlé for example. Or Shell, for that matter. And alternatives would you suggest? The only ones I know are histories of Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong or Pol Pot and they are much much darker. Everything perceived in comparison. When everything is based on sales volume and mass production, things such as public health will soon be just things they ignore to make more money. US healthcare is terrible of course but in my opinion housing is even more important. For healthcare y…
/r/MensRights18/06/23 01:58 AM
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I don't say it should be without government regulation - any extreme system is doomed to fail. But in every case government regulation should be properly justified and base of the system should be capitalistic. Every last country where economy was owned in controlled by government failed and what worries me the most is the fact that young people nowadays study Marx books in universities and say how great they are. I saw with my own eyes what this socialist/communist ideas do with the countries a…
/r/MensRights17/06/23 10:09 PM
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Sounds like a perfect recipe for a shitstorm.
/r/MensRights10/05/23 12:06 AM
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I want but I won't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/23 11:55 PM
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I put a lot of work in when I tried to play this game and results were always unsatisfying to say the least. And I did learn my lessons which helped me a lot in my life later in dealing with people.
/r/MensRights08/05/23 11:32 PM
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I only regret that I played with fire too much when I was younger - since I was 16 till 26. I should have learnt my lesson sooner but I suppose better late than never.
/r/MensRights08/05/23 11:21 PM
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Do you want a commited relationship I do but I never will have it. It is a risky game with very high stakes and I am not a gambler.
/r/MensRights08/05/23 11:10 PM
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I doubt this would be a constructive discussion. They are fanatics and fanatics don't look for compromises they want to suppress everyone who even slightly disagree with them.
/r/MensRights08/05/23 10:19 PM
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Who are they to lecture me or you? Don't know about you but for me they are nobody and their opinion about what I should and shouldn't do means nothing.
/r/MensRights08/05/23 10:15 PM
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It is much simpler - you will give me nothing because you have nothing.
/r/MensRights07/05/23 01:00 PM
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Oh really? I would like to see a proof because I find it very hard to believe that someone will voluntary use obviously negative epithet on themselves and the only people I see nowadays who use these words are feminists/radical leftists.
/r/MensRights07/05/23 01:55 AM
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The term "toxic masculinity" is being misused. It is not a term. It is a smart-sounding buzzword invented by men-haters.
/r/MensRights06/05/23 10:14 PM
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and haven’t had to give any money to women. Because you didn't have any?
/r/MensRights06/05/23 10:09 PM
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Firstly, I don't need government to act like my parents and decide what to buy for me with my taxes, I prefer to earn enough to buy everything I need myself and not waste money on things I don't need. Secondly, for me it looks like hardworking people do not benefit much there. Of course they have these nice things you mentioned but how the hell to buy a house there I have no idea, when I checked prices in Belgium decent house was about 300k euro and with their salaries that is very expensive. It…
/r/MensRights06/05/23 02:25 PM
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There are also insane taxes in European countries with socialist inclination and stagnating economy. I thought about relocating to Belgium but taxes are just ridiculous (almost half of the income and that is just income tax) salaries are not so great and price of living is no low at all. And while right now they are livable in my opinion they are just ruining their own future because they spend all these taxes they gather not on country economical development but to maintain existing lifestyle.
/r/MensRights06/05/23 01:38 PM
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I got it I just can't even comprehend why they suggest such ridiculous thing. First of all, I don't see how capitalism could be a source of men's problems and secondly, as I already said, there is just no better alternative. People who promote socialism nowadays never even saw what real socialism is and get their Utopian vision from dusty books. The are just like the guys who overthrown monarchy in Russia in 1917 and pretty much started this plague and they don't even learn from this perfect exa…
/r/MensRights06/05/23 01:20 PM
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directing their efforts towards criticisms of and activism against capitalism Why we should even fight capitalism? It is definitely not the perfect system but the best one we have. I was born in so called "socialist/communist" country and saw with my own eyes what communist do with their own people and countries - they ruin them. There are just no exceptions and pretty much all former "eastern block" countries are now capitalist or failed states.
/r/MensRights06/05/23 12:48 PM
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As an immigrant from Eastern Europe I find one thing about marriage in the North America completely ridiculous - why the hell people have to pay alimony to their ex-spouses in case of divorce? I can understand child support (and it exists in my motherland as well) but ex-spouses are adult people who can earn their own money and alimony for them are utterly unfair and unjust.
/r/MensRights06/05/23 01:54 AM
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I don't have a power to change the world and other people's minds so I don't even try. Instead I adapt myself to the world I live in or move myself in other parts of the world. Situation is bad I am not going to argue with that. In fact, it is so bad that I think that it is better to be single than bother with relationships but can I do something to change situation to the better? I don't think so.
/r/MensRights05/05/23 09:52 PM
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Who cares? Other people's standards isn't my business but my own standards is my business and my only.
/r/MensRights05/05/23 10:35 AM
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People can have whichever standards they want - it is their business and by the end of the day all these folks with ridiculous and mutually exclusive requirements harm no other but themselves and will most likely end up alone as they deserve.
/r/MensRights05/05/23 01:39 AM
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Of course they will reply that they care about men's issues. But words are cheap and their actions speak much better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/23 01:14 AM
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Unfortunately OP deleted his post but as far as I remember he owns a property which he bought before the marriage obviously and now selling it and deal is going to be closed after he is married.
/r/MensRights01/05/23 11:03 PM
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Depends. In many legislations only assets acquired during marriage are split and it is quite reasonable I would say. But I am not sure how it works in US especially now.
/r/MensRights01/05/23 10:26 AM
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I am not a lawyer and such think might vary depending on the legislation but I think he should just put money from sell on his own account. It is his money after all.
/r/MensRights01/05/23 10:22 AM
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What important here is that you bought it before the marriage so you are the only owner. The fact that you sell it in marriage doesn't change ownership status so it still yours only and money you get for it also yours only. Property is joint only if it is bought during marriage at least that how it usually is.
/r/MensRights01/05/23 12:47 AM
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It is better to consult with lawyer. Technically you bought this property before the marriage so if you sell it all money should be yours only but with modern laws you can't be sure.
/r/MensRights01/05/23 12:35 AM
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I really don't understand why people even marry in the North America. Legislators here literally piss on the men faces.
/r/MensRights30/04/23 11:38 PM
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Men are expendable, always were and situation outside of "first world" is even worse. I am pretty sure that won't change anytime soon at least not in my lifespan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/23 03:27 PM
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What are men supposed to do in relationships? You can play it however you want but in the end house always wins.
/r/MensRights21/08/21 08:33 PM
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Because it is a blatant lie? Masculinity is holistic and you can't separate it in "good" and "bad" parts and demand men to get rid of "bad" part. You either get rid of it completely and leave only an empty shell of a man in the end or keep it completely.
/r/MensRights18/08/21 12:23 PM
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Ideologies defined by actions of their followers not some dusty books.
/r/MensRights17/08/21 03:44 PM
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I could tell but does it really matter? What matter is how we are going to get out of here. Well, not exactly "we" I get out long time ago but I wonder what others will do. It is really amusing to watch.
/r/MensRights17/08/21 03:39 PM
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Reddit is feministic to its core and feminists like any other idealists consider any other beliefs and principles wrong and do not tolerate them. It is their way or no way.
/r/MensRights16/08/21 09:05 PM
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Man, why so much complexity? Let me make it simpler - You can shame men but you can't shame women. Easy.
/r/MensRights16/08/21 08:56 PM
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Wow you're saying if I don't like my situation I can just change it? I you can try to change it. However, success depends not only on you and there are always circumstances you can't affect. But if you don't do anything about your situation and only complain about it there are no chances it will change. Wow it's so easy Where did I say it will be easy? Like is hard if you wasn't born with a silver spoon but not impossible. Wow, so powerful to just openly admit that you work harder when they pay …
/r/AntiFeminists14/08/21 06:59 PM
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I'd love to address this, but tbf I have no idea wtf you're saying. Do I need to do math for you? Ok I can do that. In my company sum of salaries of all employees is 800. Company which hires women only will have to pay 600 for the same amount of employees so they can hire 3 women more and have 13 employees for the same money I pay to 10 employees. It is 30% increase in performance and they will beat me easily with advantage like that. Do you understand the utility of number things one after anot…
/r/AntiFeminists13/08/21 09:33 PM
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It not that bad as it sounds actually. Russian Family Code is not that bad and in case of divorce her husband won't have to pay alimonies, only child support and I don't think they will have children and even if they will I doubt they will stay with mother. Also, only property and possessions acquired during marriage will be shared during divorce and there are ways to minimize damage here.
/r/MensRights13/08/21 11:22 AM
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You wouldn't believe your women are of the same performance, so having that as a basis is only to bypass the reason I gave In that case business who believe in women and hire only them will have lesser costs, outperform me and kick me out of the market. But we don't see that happening in real world. 2) even if you thought the women were doing equal work and you could pay them less, that still doesn't mean you can simply "hire only women" because that many women don't exist to fill those position…
/r/AntiFeminists13/08/21 10:51 AM
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Who is talking about replacing men workforce in the whole economy? I will ask you same question I asked another feminist here before - let's imagine that I am a businessmen and have a small company with 10 employees. 5 of them are men and 5 of them are women. All of them doing same job with same performance but I pay 100 to men and 60 to women. (everything like feminists say). Now explain me, oh genius of economy, why I still didn't replace my 5 male employees with women? That will allow me to s…
/r/AntiFeminists13/08/21 12:28 AM
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What do you mean by "competitive salaries."? Salaries of men in my company or salaries of women in my company? If former, you still didn't explain why women-only company would pay them 100. If later then it doesn't explain why I waste 40 annually on each male employee when I can just replace them all with women and pay them 60 instead of 100 with the same level of performance. All this stupidity about "gender wage gap" is made by people who know nothing about business at all. Business is not a c…
/r/AntiFeminists12/08/21 08:27 PM
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I would imagine that a company entirely staffed by women would still need to remain competitive and would pay similarly to any other. Why is that? Ok let's imagine that I am a businessmen and in my company I pay 100 annually to men and 60 annually to women. Everything like feminists say. Then another women-only company appears on market and starts hiring. Now explain me why this second company will pay women 100? They can offer 65-70 to women employees in my company and they will be happy with t…
/r/AntiFeminists12/08/21 05:58 PM
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When I see this bullshit I always ask "What is the point to hire men if women can do same job for less money? It is a great way to decrease costs and every businessmen would hire women only if that was true". Unfortunately the only answer I was able to get is "It is all because of patriarchy!!!111". These freaks really believe that every man on earth participate in this conspiracy.
/r/AntiFeminists12/08/21 12:19 AM
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What else did you expect? These guys from MensLib are pathetic collaborationist of femitists. And it is even worse than feminists themselves.
/r/MensRights09/08/21 02:35 AM
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Of course there is nothing, is it even a question? /s
/r/MensRights06/08/21 07:51 PM
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It is not real reasons it is a justification. And it still doesn't explain why MGTOW2 was banned.
/r/MensRights06/08/21 03:19 PM
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Competitiveness is a natural trait of men no one is forced into it and it is not a problem anyway. Men a able to join forces when they face a treat they can't handle on their on and that where problem is - not many men see feminism as a treat and some even become collaborationists and support the enemy (they definetely didn't hear a story about Association of German National Jews). It is like boiling frog - when they see a treat it will be to late.
/r/MensRights05/08/21 01:50 PM
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Oh but they want equality. Sort of, in their own twisted way. First of all, they want equality in rights but not duties. Maybe in their books duties are not part of equality, I don't know. And secondly, due to their inability to compete with men in some fields they want men to become pathetic weaklings and that is the primary reason of their attack on masculinity generally.
/r/MensRights05/08/21 11:24 AM
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Wow, you were able to post several comments there. They permabanned me in a few minutes after my first one.
/r/MensRights05/08/21 12:22 AM
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Is it some kind of feminist dream?
/r/MensRights04/08/21 11:37 PM
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There are lots of tools for helping people accept distressing situations. I've seen some shit and have gone through several very unpleasant situations in my life. The only person who was able to help me was myself. Other people only made it worse. I am not interested in that. That is a valid solution I am not going to deny that. But it comes with its own drawback and these drawbacks might be unacceptable for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 09:49 PM
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You may say so. We all have to be polite if we don't to get ourselves in trouble after all. But do you truly believe that? I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 09:44 PM
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But at a certain point the “adult” part of the “adult virgin” thing has to kick in and you stop taking it to heart. Of course. But that doesn't mean that others will also just ignore this fact. Maybe it’s time to cancel virgin-shaming, I’d agree. That will never happen. But if you are a virgin just realize that nobody is going to lynch you or deny your civil rights You are right of course. But other people will think less of you. For them "virgin" = "loser". Logic here is pretty simple - if a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 09:41 PM
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They aren't trying to change human nature. Well, at least they are realistic. They are trying to help people accept not having what they want. They can't do that. Virgins have to come to this acceptance themselves. Not normal at all. Replace "normal" with "regular" or "average" if you want. It doesn't change anything. I don't think healthy adults think in terms of winners and losers. Are you living in some kind of utopia? That is what people do all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 09:31 PM
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Are you sure you want it? I am quite new here and I didn't see any examples of that yet but I am sure that feminists coming here and spitting their poison on men is the best proof of feminists being enemy of men. And I do believe that this reminder is necessary because some naive souls are still believe that peace between feminists and men is possible.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 08:51 PM
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Depends on context. For men it is for feminists it is not. And I am sure you can guess yourself whose opinion is more important here.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 08:41 PM
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just dont want this sub repurposed and dragged down by it. I don't propose that. But I do believe that all men who disagree with feminists should stick together. How they will do that is a technical moment and doesn't really matter at the moment.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 07:41 PM
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Another lesson you might learn from history is that sometimes even your enemy could become your temporary ally if both of you are facing bigger threat. Communists and capitalists are the worst enemies but they joined their forces to defeat Nazis. Sometimes we need to choose lesser evil because we don't have better options.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 07:18 PM
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Feminists are the real enemy not other men and feminists will come for us one by one. As for my answer it is in the Martin Niemöller quote I gave you - united we stand, divided we fall, it is simple as that.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 07:06 PM
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This sub is doomed anyway. Every authoritarian ideology (feminism in this case) needs an enemy. After they get rid of MGTOW they will go after others who dare to disagree with them. Learn the history, bro, it tends to repeat itself. I would suggest to start here: Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist. Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat. Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwieg…
/r/MensRights04/08/21 06:49 PM
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Oh, it didn't look like that at first glance and I thought it is just another bunch of male feminists like menslib. In that case they are walking on a very thin ice.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 06:40 PM
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leftwingmaleadvocates literally believe they are safe LOL. They look like leftist so they are not wrong.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 06:12 PM
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MGTOW had questionable content but MGTOW2 was clean as it possible to be. But it didn't help them just because questionable content not a real reason for ban.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:59 PM
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Why should we even care about this guy? I don't even know who he is nor do I want to know.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:57 PM
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That said how about we stick to what this sub is meant to be about (positive discussion about men's rights) That won't help. "Men rights" isn't even a thing for feminists and they will do they best to eliminate this subreddit. So it is only a matter of time.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:45 PM
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MGTOW ban do not surprise me it was a matter of time. What surprised me though is how happy are people about that. I may dislike many subreddits here but I will never facilitate for or even suggest their bans because freedom of speech is above everything and if I don't like it then it is my own problem only. "This is how freedom dies - to the thunder of applause"
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:39 PM
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your sexist thoughts You don't know my thoughts and my thought are my own business. Thoughtcrimes are not a thing. At least not yet. selfishness Don't see anything wrong with that. Or do I have legal obligations to care about others problems now? I don't see anyone caring about my problems for some reason. Don't really know why looks like I don't deserve it.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:11 PM
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It is not like all women suppress all men. It is just feminists and other leftists who are trying to shame, accuse and suppress men who doesn't agree with them. And they are quite successful in their endeavors - being openly anti-feminist nowadays is just asking for trouble unless you are living as a hermit.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:45 PM
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Even thought I wasn't here for long looks like I will leave myself soon.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 12:21 PM
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It makes viable new platforms that really allow free speech No one cares about these platforms as long as they are small and neglectable. If they become big leftist will do they best to seize control over these platforms.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 12:11 PM
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Censorship happened.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:35 AM
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She turned the camera around and had a guy I never seen before on her bed with her. She performs oral sex on him. Jeez I saw cheating women in my life of course but I though things like this exist only in porn.
/r/MGTOW201/08/21 01:37 PM
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I don't think this question belong here.
/r/MGTOW201/08/21 01:19 PM
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If you need empathy than that is the issue to fix in a first place. Men have a simple choice - be strong or be miserable so no one ever should know about your weaknesses. Forget all this bullshit about "showing your emotions" and "opening yourself" you probably were fed with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 02:52 AM
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It is your life and you can do whatever you want with it. I (and hope others here as well) do not think ill about people who live the the way they want. We only reject people who preach us and want us to live according to their principles for their convenience.
/r/MGTOW231/07/21 06:52 PM
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I am not sure what we are expected to learn from this very unobjective feminist article.
/r/MGTOW231/07/21 06:45 PM
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You are welcome.
/r/MGTOW231/07/21 05:36 PM
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That is highly unlikely. As I said, I have been doing it for several years without success. And if the beginning I was just exploited and discarded when I understood that I was exploited in the end my "relationships" never even properly started cause I never tried to hide my worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 04:17 PM
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So you want MGTOW to become a male version of feminists who just censor everyone who doesn't agree with them? It is a bad idea. Develop some thick skin look in their eyes and spit in their faces. That is the way to deal with enemies not sheltering yourself.
/r/MGTOW231/07/21 04:00 PM
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but they have yet to prove that these societies are better than equality. No they don't. It is you who want to change existing society so it is you are the one who need to prove that "equality" you are offering is better for majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 03:43 PM
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It is not a pessimism I developed thanks to these endeavors but cynicism, callousness and even ruthlessness. And that is a good thing actually I like my present self much more than past one when I was a pathetic weakling. But the point is that consequences of your advice are not the ones you are expecting. Exposing yourself to backstabbing is a good way to eliminate your weaknesses but it won't make you more attractive person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 03:31 PM
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go and get dumped!! Lol, I was doing for several years and I really became emotionally stable after several cases. Stable like a rock. I didn't help me with dating though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 03:11 PM
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Not all degrees are equally useful. In the end it is your employer (or you customers) who decides how much you will earn and if you have a degree in engineering, technology, law or anything else really useful for society you will get a decent salary. But I really don't understand where all these graduates of "social studies" are planning to work - no sane employer are going to pay for this. When I was studying in university to become an engineer on the first year of education we had 44 students …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 02:59 PM
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Well, if that is good enough for you than OK. But I don't think I would like to live there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 05:08 PM
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Do they? I never lived there but on of my friend had a few business trips to Sweden and It is very expensive country to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 03:55 PM
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Of course we could increase income taxes for rich even more and decrease taxes for poor. Also we could provide base income for poor and that will significantly decrease inequality but it will also destroy motivation to earn more money. What the point if they will be taken away as taxes anyway? Capitalism is based on competition and competition will always lead to inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 03:24 PM
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Progressive tax rates? They already exist in many capitalist countries. As for free education and heath care they won't be free - taxpayers will pay for them (I agree about health care though it shouldn't be treated as business).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 03:01 PM
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How we can change economic system? Communists already tried to do that in many countries and failed miserably everywhere. Capitalism is not perfect far from it to be honest but we don't have anything better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 02:52 PM
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I really don't understand what is going on in anti-vaxxers' heads. Looks like they already forgot (or probably never knew) how total vaccination allowed humanity to defeat Smallpox, one of the most deadliest viruses in human history. Hell, they probably don't even know what the Smallpox is.
/r/MGTOW229/07/21 03:49 PM
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Well, I you can't beat the degeneracy and debauchery than join it. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 01:59 PM
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1.)Do you agree with it? Is there truly some one out there for everyone? Bullshit. 2.)If the answer is no, why do you think people push this idea? Some people (aka blue pilled) might genuinely believe the idea. But people with power just want common folk to procreate and that is the reason for them to propagate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 12:43 PM
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"You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea."
/r/MGTOW229/07/21 12:16 PM
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Some of you guys think all women are terrible human beings that just want to drag men down. Not all but bad woman pretend to be good so it is very easy to make mistake and pay a lot for it. I do not take these chances but it is a personal decision and I am not going to claim that it is the only correct one. That they’re out to get you. Actually they don't. I am pretty much invisible for them but I am just an average guy so it is not surprising. On top of that don’t you guys want meaningful human…
/r/MGTOW229/07/21 12:04 PM
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"mgtow women" is a oxymoron by itself. Why would women support mgtow? There is no single reason for them to do that.
/r/MGTOW229/07/21 11:45 AM
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I would say it is impossible for people without willpower but have it you way. No one can solve this problem for you anyway except yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 11:34 AM
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It doesn't mean that it is impossible to do. It only means that you will is not strong enough to control yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 11:13 AM
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I think 'average guys' usually have more going for them then just their looks I am sure they have but does it really matter in OLD? I doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:48 AM
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I tried and I succeeded. It might be too difficult for teenagers due to their insane hormone levels but adults usually able to control themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:45 AM
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That is exactly my thoughts - OLD is not for average guys and if they all quit no one will even notice that. I bet their chances in real life would be noticeably higher thought I heard real life approaches are quite risky nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 01:26 AM
6

I decided to give them another try. Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?
/r/MGTOW229/07/21 12:27 AM
7

Ah, yes, they also genuinely love these guys.
/r/MGTOW229/07/21 12:18 AM
1

By saying "showing off" I mean mislead people about your qualities and pretending to be much better that you really are. I must agree though that this tactics works quite well in a short-term but I don't use it because it is contradicts my principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 12:16 AM
15

This sub should be a feminists wet dream According to their words - yes. But do you really believe their words? You shouldn't
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 11:21 PM
3

So work on yourself and maximize what you can offer that is of value in the other person's eyes Right statement with a very wrong reasoning. You need to work on yourself only if you want that yourself not because others want you to do that. Thus, if you are satisfied with yourself but people don't like you it is much more reasonable to stay alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:06 PM
1

If we exclude people who were born with a silver spoon making money is usually quite fair process - you do something that other people are willing to pay for and that is it. And the higher you skills the more people will pay you. There are other factors of course but they are secondary. Dating, however, rely a lot on factors we can't easily affect and quite often it not even clear what needs to be done. Really annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:15 PM
1

American company from S&P 500. I won't give you more I prefer to keep my anonymity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:52 PM
1

Today I am doing similar job for another big company in Canada. P.S. but I do not ask about today I ask about 2011-2019 period.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:30 PM
1

I doubt you can make conclusions like this for people outside of north America but OK I will tell you something I can prove. 2011-2019 I had been working in the Russian department of P&H mining equipment (which is now known as Komatsu Mining Corporation) as a Service Engineer. My overall experience when I quit was about 10 years. Can you guess my income from this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:26 PM
1

I can understand when people lie and try to brag about their non-existant income in real life but what the point in lying anonymously? And do you expect to find salary in LinedIn?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:13 PM
2

I got into a long ass exchange with some dude who actually thought it was easier to get into the top 2% of income level than it was to get a date. 2% might be challenging but 10% for example is not really a big deal. Since I was 25 till 33 my income was approximately 3 times higher than average in the region where I lived and I think that put me among top 5% of the people in that region. In was quite poor country though. Now I have relocated to another country so I have a long way ahead of me bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 04:58 PM
8

Don't trust women's words. Trust their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 04:45 PM
1

The way you win the game is by not playing. I wouldn't call it a victory but that is a valid option, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:32 PM
1

I stand by this statement, the dude who invents a pill for indifference would be the all-time GOAT Reminds me this Equilibrium movie with Christian Bale. I would like to have this pill in reality though even if I don't need it myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:28 PM
1

Directness, boldness, straightforwardness. It is a really bad idea. When you play with a trickster the only way to win is to outmaneuver them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:24 PM
2

So, instead of presenting themselves as they are men should show off?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:16 PM
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The biggest issue (at least for me but I don't think I am alone here) is a lack of feedback. I just can't act in a same way in front of a human being and in front of the camera, latter it just doesn't feel natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:13 PM
9

but more like a showreel. Exactly. And who is good at making them? Actors. Majority of people are not very good at acting though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:09 PM
7

Video recording and real world chat could make very different impressions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:58 PM
12

If men want women to be attracted to them, they have to be attractive Can't argue with that but this video feature won't work. I have a personal example here and even though it is not about dating I think it defines the problem quite well. In the beginning of this year I applied for two very similar positions in two different companies. First one requested me to record video answers for their questions as their first "interview" second one didn't use this crap so my first interview was old-fashi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:53 PM
2

Is most of the subreddit 4 or below on that scale? If this A woman may rate this photo as “unattractive” or “below average.” Is really "below average" than I would say "yes".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:28 PM
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being able to have a video message on your profile (that you don't have to click through to another page to activate) would help. Only those who have really good presentation skills will benefit from this feature. For the rest of the men it will make situation even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:18 PM
0

Well, this CMV isn't fair. How it is even possible to argue with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 07:25 PM
7

Well, at least this one is honest and that is a rare thing among feminists. I really don't understand how majority feminists can claim that feminism benefits men. It is like Nazis claiming that their policies benefit Jews.
/r/MGTOW224/07/21 01:21 PM
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The only country which could challenge US is China and it indeed has problems. However, it will overcome US economically quite soon and as far as I know, they don't have feminists who want to turn all men into pathetic weaklings. Open conflict is pretty much impossible because of huge pile of nukes US has but there are other ways to defeat your enemy though they require a lot of time and I will probably won't live long enough to see the end of this confrontation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 07:05 PM
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it’s only a matter of time before she does something to exclude herself from any serious commitment. This. They bring it all down upon themselves. Would you still abandon her if she was worthy of commitment though? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 02:08 PM
1

I don't think it will work out fine. It will weaken western society and when you are weak you are conquered by strong. Modern people have forgotten already that humans were fighting each other constantly up to second world war and present situation when we didn't see big global wars for more than 70 years is very unusual but there is no reason to think that it will last forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 01:57 PM
2

First of all, I am talking about men not teenagers though looks like teenage nowadays could last up to 30 years or even more. Secondly, sometimes men are not valued for their provision it is just taken is granted and I don't think that is the way it is supposed to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 01:32 PM
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Time shall tell. I don't expect this crisis to be life threatening and I am sure that humanity itself will survive though some civilizations might disappear. This crisis to come is more about losing identity and purpose in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 01:09 PM
3

They don't do that? I really don't know, I have been living alone all my adult life and if I have an opportunity to save some money by doing something myself I will use this opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 01:03 PM
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It is not a one sided road. Men in general want to provide but they want to be valued for that. They are not because their provision is not essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 12:43 PM
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they will reject you for a LTR Why? Women will do anything for alpha and if he offer a woman a LTR they will be more than happy. Even if he is not a good provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 12:38 PM
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I think that most men will eventually find partners. The problem is deeper than that. A man finds fulfillment in life when he has others who rely on him that gives him motivation to move forward and to achieve more. And if a man doesn't have anyone to rely on him he will feel useless. It is an instinct an instincts are very difficult to suppress.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 12:28 PM
2

There is a big crisis approaching indeed but humanity have seen and overcome worse. It is always the same cycle - "Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." And it is not difficult to understand where are we now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 12:24 PM
1

Think whatever you want. But I know myself much better than you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:47 AM
2

No ideology is fair. And those which are supposed to be fair are just a utopia in theory and a dystopia when someone tries to implement them in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 12:10 AM
1

Your conclusion is wrong. Cynic is much more appropriate term if you want to define me in one word.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 10:49 PM
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It opens you up to coercion and rape accusations Indeed, definition of rape nowadays is flexible to say the least. and can often lead to greater crimes I am very serious about laws even if I don't like some of them. For example, I don't use prostitute services as you suggested earlier because it is illegal in the country where I live. if you disregard the humanity of others for your own desires. Other people do the same thing. Of course it doesn't mean that I should do that but if I don't it wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 10:32 PM
0

Yes, but this is sociopathic. Probably but it is not illegal as far as I know. Your "rights" end where another person's rights begin. That is correct. But lying without giving any legal obligations do not break other people's rights in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 10:10 PM
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you could chose to pay for it From the egoistical point of view it is more reasonable to lie than to pay don't you think so? Also, prostitution is illegal in some countries. or do something different to attract what you seek For example? you aren't entitled to something just because you want it. I am sorry but my knowledge of English is quite limited and I am not sure how to interpret this word in this context. You mean that I am not given a right to have something if I want it? Well, I thought …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 10:00 PM
1

Ah, personal attack. I was wondering when it will come to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 08:04 PM
1

the guy addressed me directly. Mein Gott it is terrible. Shoot him on sight next time you see him. He totally asks for that. Ps plenty of women are forced to be around men-at work. They still practice slavery in the country where you live? If not women are free to quit the jobs they don't like and look for women-only companies. Though I doubt they even exist but it always possible to create such company.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 07:37 PM
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I'm not mad at it, I think sometimes the ends DO justify the means. It's up to the individual to decide that What I meant is that a person who live up to this principle won't see anything bad in manipulating others. The issue that The Blue Pill has is recognizing that sometimes it's OKAY to give up and that doesn't mean it's your fault. I don't disagree with them completely here. It is not always your fault, you could be ugly or autistic or have other inborn features which ruin your attraction a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 07:16 PM
1

Try handguns. Pepper sprays or tasers in the worst case scenario. They are not as good as LMG but better than nothing I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:51 PM
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they can (and should) always control their principles. Focus on whats in your control and you'll be alright. And if their principle is "The end justify the means"? Again, entirely subjective. Whether somone wants to give up or not is a personal decision and nobody can tell you whether it's "over or not" but you. That is exactly what I was talking about. Conditions for this retreat are different for each individual but looks is one of them and can't be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:50 PM
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I don't feel that unsafe around women so there is no need to do that for me. But if I did I would probably do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:45 PM
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I didn't mean to insult your language at all, and sorry if it came across that way You didn't. I just thought that my wording probably was not entirely correct. they were happy with the result. Ignorance is indeed a bliss I suppose. I mean they probably was unable to comprehend that they were tested thus they didn't realize what type of person they are dealing with. But personally I wouldn't want a happiness like this for myself. It would be very unpleasant to find out the truth sooner or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:43 PM
2

Next time you go out take a light machine gun with you. Probably you will feel safer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:36 PM
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I don't think you are forced to be around a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:26 PM
2

Yes, sorry, English is not my first language. You look like a quite egoistical person so I will put it that way - by doing this tests you expose yourself as a dishonest person and it might happen that a certain man, who might be the one you want, will drop you because he won't like that. To put it simple - these tests may backfire.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:24 PM
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but because they don't think that men should manipulate women or they don't like the idea of "spinning plates". What else will work here? Women agree to have sex without commitment only with a very small percentage of men. Others have to lie. but that doesn't mean they think you should resign and give up. Why not? If the one can't achieve a goal it is more reasonable to retreat instead of continuation of wasting time and recourses without result. It should contain harsh truths for BOTH men and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:16 PM
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instead of insisting on picking up the whole tab himself Oh that is just marvelous. You say one thing and imply completely opposite. Though I must say that this behavior matches my experience with women perfectly so I shouldn't be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 05:55 PM
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First of all, that is not the point here. Secondly, I am able to decide myself what to do with my life but thanks for advice anyway. And lastly, relax a little bit you look nervous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 05:32 PM
1

I think everyone should be the person they want to be themselves. Not the person other people want them to be. It could be same sometimes like probably in your case but usually it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 04:19 PM
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It is because you quoted me incompletely Dealing with women is much more difficult for majority of men I am not talking about some exceptional cases here but about average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 04:07 PM
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I wouldn't say men don't respect women but they definetely treat them and other men in different ways. And there is a very simple reason for that: I dont personally understand why men cannot view women as their equal respectable friends. Because is much easier to establish and maintain friendship with fellow men. Dealing with women is much more difficult for majority of men thus they seek in women only what they can't get from their male friends and that is why they are willing to deal with all …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:11 PM
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I didn't find any confirmations on WHO website so I suppose no disability for incels after all.
/r/MGTOW222/07/21 11:11 AM
0

Practically universally every single woman is irritated by the thought or prospect of her child being DNA tested That is actually that is quite stupid. Because if a test confirms fatherhood that will just give a woman another leverage to manipulate a man. Something like "Aha, I didn't trust me and now you should atone for that". But if a test doesn't confirm fatherhood.. wait a moment.. It is not stupid at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:42 AM
2

Honestly, I think I was born as a wrong species. Quite often I feel completely inhumane.
/r/MGTOW222/07/21 02:23 AM
2

Well, if they don't want to cook themselves they could learn how to earn enough money to eat in restaurants only so yeah, I should have clarified that I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:21 AM
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It would be fun to see how they would verify that but unfortunately WHO refuted this info so there will be no fun https://factcheck.afp.com/no-being-unable-find-sexual-partner-will-not-make-you-disabled-under-new-world-health-organization
/r/MGTOW222/07/21 02:13 AM
2

Very educational. Not sure why the hell this is even here but very educational /s.
/r/MGTOW221/07/21 11:22 PM
2

Can someone explain me what the hell I have just read? Look like it is some kind of fat joke I am to skinny to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:11 PM
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Learn to cook from scratch. The best advice. Because they will end up alone anyway and this skill will be very useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:49 PM
12

Jeez, this shit is literally everywhere nowadays why bring it here? Just a trailer was bad enough to make me feel disgusted and I am quite calm and indifferent person usually.
/r/MGTOW221/07/21 08:27 PM
1

First of all, I do not put labels on people without good reason. Secondly, it is not about your qualities it is about results you a able to get. Do you have dozens of women who are willing to have sex with you or you are struggling to seduce even one? Answer this question and you will have answer for your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:16 PM
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I am not sure I understand you. Women's promiscuity isn't beneficial for majority of men so they don't have any reason to defend it thus there is no double standards. If it will become beneficial for some of them they will probably change their minds about it but they still will be just a small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 07:52 PM
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I am sure that those who have access to casual sex do that. But it is not like it is majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 07:34 PM
3

It is simple - they defend it when it is beneficial to them and attack it when it is not. Double standard as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 07:28 PM
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Call me old-fashioned if you want but things like that are completely unacceptable for me. Not only because I see them immoral but also because they are just unsafe - STD, unwanted pregnancies with unknown fathers, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 02:31 PM
4

Indeed it is. I prefer to call it realistic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 02:19 PM
3

I thought RP was about being a masculine man, and now you tell me that you bow down and act in every way women want? When I tried to date I knew nothing about PR. It was 10 year ago last time and I am not even sure it was a thing back then. I "just was myself" as you are recommend here and it never worked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 02:01 PM
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But you don't have to be like others want you to be. Of course I don't and I am not. But in that case I need to accept the fact that women won't like me. Having your own opinions doesn't make you unattractive, in fact it shows confidence which usually makes you more attractive. My experience have told me opposite thing - women want everything their way or no way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:47 PM
-1

Beta men aren't losers. There is only victory or defeat and considering that in relationships they are pretty much exploited I can't call them winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:42 PM
1

I don't think a lot of men are able to admit it even for themselves even if they are "betas".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:37 PM
3

This advice works only if "just be yourself" = "be the one others want you to be" and I doubt that there are many people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:31 PM
1

I prefer not to judge people by username, avatars and other things like that. But yes, in this case these small things give right impression.
/r/MGTOW221/07/21 10:15 AM
4

This post became really hilarious after I checked OP's profile. And here I am, naive child, who initially has taken it seriously.
/r/MGTOW221/07/21 02:42 AM
2

Ah, that is weird indeed. I don't read TRP subreddits so I didn't know about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 02:06 AM
3

some vocal women claim that "all men are trash". Rest of the feminists don't do anything about them though so I make a conclusion that they support them silently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 02:00 AM
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Well, I don't have any statistics but for me it was more than one. To many I would say now but I wasn't very smart back then and it took me a lot of time and attempts to understand my inability to succeed. women were kicked out of the shared space. Really? Where from? As I said, feminists often ban all men except their "male allies" on sight and MGTOW don't allow women (MGTOW2 is more lenient about that though) but there are a lot of places there both men and women present and can more or less d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:36 AM
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if you chose to be in one, what would your ideal relationship be like? When I was looking for relationships criteria was pretty simple - being with a woman should be better than being alone. In what ways do you think women might be able to help support mgtow, if any. First of all, why would they? There is nothing for them in that. And secondly, the whole idea is to find your own way and follow it, no one can show a man his way.
/r/MGTOW221/07/21 01:14 AM
1

What's wrong with the word? Nothing wrong with the word itself. They just use it in a wrong way without any knowledge of its meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:57 AM
1

I am to old to be upset with stuff like this but this word is a perfect sign of self-righterous leftists and I don't spare 90 minutes to waste for their ranting. Privilege is a legal rights of a certain social group in a feudal society. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:45 AM
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I really wanted to watch it but as soon as I heard word "privilege" I closed the window and I think it was less than 1 minute from the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:35 AM
2

Men actually do date selfishly or give up on marriage/commitment/dating Does that mean that they hate women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:23 AM
1

For the 36 years of my life I have seen two examples of good marriages. Though they are in a same age group as I am so probably for younger generation situation is worse.
/r/MGTOW221/07/21 12:17 AM
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Your one experience with one person from the other gender does not dictate the nature of an entire gender. Usually it is not the one. And not even two or three. However, before the sub Reddit for red pill was quarantined at one point they decided women could no longer speak their opinions in the subreddit. Many feminist subreddits permaban men on sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:09 AM
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I always wondered that myself. In my opinion proper MGTOW should feel only indifference for women. Hate is usually just an initial step on this way which often have objective reasons but a man should overcome as soon as possible. P.S. Great example about bears by the way always though about it myself in a same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:03 AM
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As an example of man you are talking about I should say that I don't consider myself damaged. Of course I won't be able to establish and develop intimate relationships with women ever but that is pretty much the only thing that distinguishes me from your normal human and it is not difficult to conceal so people around me don't even suspect anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 01:53 AM
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An app built around the idea of 30-second introductory videos might actually work to get men into relationships. I highly doubt that. One needs really good presentation skills to make it look impressive and for majority of people it will be even worse than static pages with photo and short bio. I had once this ridiculous job interview where you need to make video answers for provided questions and lack of feedback from the interviewer made it feel really awkward and of course they didn't even ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:29 PM
6

I have seen trailer. That was quite enough to make me feel disgusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:06 PM
1

You can't do anything about about rapist except putting them in jail and that will happen only after they will commit crime. If you want to prevent crime you need to eliminate opportunity for it to happen. And we have discussed ways to do that already so I hope I don't need to repeat myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:46 PM
1

The problem is not the education or status themselves, they are great things to have. The problem is women usually want men who is more successful than they are thus if they have high status their options become very limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:18 PM
1

Thanks for info but I must tell you that you a talking about concept which is completely alien for me to it probably won't be useful. It is just not my way. Something to consider: if people were more empathetic, would this increase or decrease the amount of rapes in the world? Probably less. But I don't need empathy to don't treat others in ways that I would not like to be treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:44 PM
1

It is unsolvable, as rape will never go away completely. Ah, that is what you meant. Yes crime will always exist as long as humans exist but I was talking about individual level and individual can do a lot to deal with this problem for themselves and sometimes even people around them and that is good enough for me. I am not some kind of revolutionary who wants to change entire society. These stories usually don't work out fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:28 PM
1

Having empathy for others is very helpful, actually. Well, maybe but it doesn't work for me thus I can't understand or provide it. Your argument seems to be that rape is unsolvable so why discuss it. My point is that it is useless to discuss something that can't be solved. But it was you who claimed it is unsolvable. These: There is no way for a woman to prevent being raped. Are you words not mine. If I thought it is unsolvable I wouldn't even discuss it from the very beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:02 PM
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How it helps? When I am discussing a problem I expect to come to some sort of conclusion in the end which will allow to do something about it. Maybe not a complete working solution but at least an advice to decrease its danger. I see "Just talking" as something completely useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:51 PM
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If we're going to stay on this topic any further, perhaps you can address my comment here: Looks like something is wrong with you link it just lead me several steps back it this very discussion. There is no way for a woman to prevent being raped. If you don't believe that problem can be solved that why we are even talking about it? It is useless just leave it be. She can't ensure witnesses will help, nor can she ensure there will be witnesses around. Witnesses probably won't interfere but presen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:36 PM
1

I'm claiming that it is not a working solution like you claim. It is better than nothing. Probably there are better solutions but nothing comes to my mind right now. I'm asking if it significantly decreases the chance of the assault/rape being completed. Which it seems you're arguing that weapons do. There is only one way - do not interact with men without witnesses. If you intend to stay with them alone you have to take this risk at least I don't see anything that can be done here. Also, you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:06 PM
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You're playing semantics. I don't. If there is a working solution for my problem which I find acceptable to use I will use it and I don't care what others think about this solution. I'm curious, do you think women carrying weapons of any kind (whether lethal or nonlethal) significantly reduces her risk of being raped by a partner? It won't decrease chances of course why would it? But it will allow you to protect yourself in the worst case scenario instead of accepting you fate because men are ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:35 PM
1

Furthermore, do you think it’s fair that they have to take so many extra steps that men don’t? Or could this be considered a difficulty? Life isn't fair. I was born in a poor crippled country which also became a dictatorship 20 years ago and I had to put a lot of efforts just to relocate somewhere more comfortable to live while some people were just born here. Was it fair? It wasn't. But it is not my fault of people's who were born here or anyone's else. This is how it is and this is how it goes…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:29 PM
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Some statistics on what percent are reported: 31% of sexual assaults 37% of sexual assaults 36% of rapes, 34% of attempted rapes, and 26% of sexual assaults I don't see how they calculated that but let's say it is truth. And whose fault is it? Only victim and criminal know about crime and criminal isn't going to report himself (or herself). So, if victim doesn't report crime no one will just because no one knows. Some women who've been sexually assaulted don't even realize they've been sexually …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:27 PM
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You missed my point here, and that's that women are judged for their appearance far outside just the realm of dating. Any examples? 9 out of 100 birth control users getting a pregnant a year is not insignificant at all. They also said that if you do it properly it is 99% efficient. If you don't do it properly you have no one to blame except yourself. Also, I'm pretty sure in some places minors can't get birth control unless her parents approve, and many parents don't. And there are definitely pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:58 AM
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I don't think bringing a gun on all dates is at all a reasonable solution. It is a solution. And if it works why would you care whether it is reasonable or not? I know very little about firearms so excuse my ignorance, but first there's the background check, right? I have no idea. But firearms is not the only option anyway I mentioned that they can be used if they are legal to own in your country but primary solutions I originally offered were pepper sprays, tasers and other kinds of non-lethal …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:23 AM
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we keep our basic human instincts in check and don't let them run the show. Maybe some people do that. But obviously not everyone. I'd argue that most women would so much rather be judged for her achievements than for her body. Maybe they are but it is a wishful thinking. Men have their preferences and I don't see why they should abandon them for women convenience. I think we're taking for granted the idea that all girls and women have access to effective birth control. Ok, let's talk digits. ht…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:37 PM
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Isn't it both more reasonable AND more safe to not show up? Of course it is. Refusing to participate in something dangerous is the best way to keep yourself safe after all. But if you are intend to date it is obviously not the way you can use.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:34 PM
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They're based on fairness, justice, and having kindness and empathy for one's fellow humans. That is what I call naivety. When it comes to basic human instincts these things mean nothing. Women's bodies have historically been policed more than men's, with men having a more narrow definition of women's bodies they find attractive. Because men always were judged not only for their looks but also for their achievements so you could give us some slack here I suppose. https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 08:14 PM
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Men don't have to bring weapons on dates to mitigate risk. Because they don't see it as something dangerous? If you see it as something dangerous you should think about ways to make it safe for yourself. You could grow some muscle if you want a fair fight but isn't it easier to just bring a gun? Hell, I have to work in a very dangerous conditions sometimes and instead of complaining about it I just wear PPE. It might be uncomfortable but it helps. A lot. Women refusing to go on dates or dipping …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:20 PM
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This is good advice actually. Like at least don't let the sun destroy your face. Maybe it is but that is not the point here. I meant that men also need to care about their looks if they want to succeed in dating. They just do it in a different way. A date, a relationship are actually the high risk situations for women here. Our whole life is a one big risk and there are plenty of ways to mitigate risks. Want to protect yourself? Use pepper sprays, tasers or even firearms if they are allowed wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:36 PM
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Oh my, looks like we have another feminist here. Why is a woman having sex with a man treated as a permanent bad mark on her sexual record? While men can, and are encouraged to, pursue and sleep with whoever they want? Because no matter what you think but we are different. Mother nature created us different and we have different goals when it comes to procreation. And all human morals related to sexual behavior based on that. Yes, men are expected to pay for dates (though they absolutely shouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:57 PM
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Because they are weaklings without will who make this whole industry possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 10:17 PM
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For me it is not about girls everyone earn their money the way they can after all. But I despise these men who donate there from the bottom of my heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 08:03 PM
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They’re just going to make the online landscape even more hellish. Just as planned.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:56 PM
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I meet all this criteria and that is not enough. Far from being enough to be precise so it is definitely not a criteria for a "good" man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:47 PM
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what the hell is the justification for demanding this other than "because they can"? None. Majority of people will always use an opportunity to get benefits for themselves even if it is morally questionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:20 AM
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would be a much better place if men were direct and honest. Better for women? Definetely. For men? A straight way to failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 10:17 AM
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I did it a long time ago. But thank you for advice anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 11:52 PM
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I don't care about things unavailable to me I only do what I can and don't do what I can't. I would be happy to get rid of this need completely and concentrate on things which are really interesting to me but unfortunately that is pretty much impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 11:45 PM
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People are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 11:41 PM
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Completely disagree. I can get feelings of victory, achievement and satisfaction pretty much everywhere - career, hobbies, sport etc. But for my natural needs I prefer something without unnecessary complexity and I think many men will agree with me here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 09:15 PM
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Can't agree more
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 11:48 AM
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We have absolutely no safe space, cause we even here were shamed for bringing up Women Because this place is not about women it is about men. As long as you are unable to leave women behind you ruin your own life and your life only not women's.
/r/MGTOW213/07/21 04:55 PM
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Walk away. Exactly. There is no going back after failing even single shittest.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 11:43 AM
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Can most women really stomach that? Maybe they can but they don't want to and men know that. When a woman asks for "emotional availability" she is just shittesting a man and if he accepts he fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 12:46 AM
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What the point in 50/50? Illusion of "justice" or "fairness"? Everyone should do what they do best it is much more efficient that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 12:42 AM
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What you say do not match what I see. So something is wrong definetely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:29 PM
2

So, what was your choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:11 PM
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Majority can't be below average that is not how math works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:11 PM
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Very strange conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:06 PM
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Emperor? Me? Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 12:56 AM
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Lmao I'm not talking about a tax on Chad, if I understand you correctly. Not exactly. I was talking about taxes on single men (not married to be precise) no matter why they are single - because they don't have any options and can't marry or because they have too many options and don't need to marry. I'm saying that if the majority of women refuse to date the majority of men (or vice versa) its more likely that society will eventually try to accommodate that fact rather than force the issue. As f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 07:48 PM
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it's eligible single men that women want to partner with. Are we talking about these handsome rich guys who is liked by almost all women? They are also a very minor group and imposing additional taxes on them might be very stupid idea because it is not so difficult for them to change their tax residency in the worst case scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 07:34 PM
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And its the taxes I'm worried about. I don't think it will come to this. Not many men want and can suppress their natural instincts and cut ties to women completely. From what is see around I make a conclusion that majority will prefer being doormat to being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 07:13 PM
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MGTOW is not about women, society or anything else. It is about a man himself. And in my opinion it is beneficial for everyone (men don't have problems with women anymore and women are not bothered by men they don't like). It could backfire if too many men will decide to follow it and government will impose additional taxes on single men but for now there are no governmental pressure and I don't think there will be because it is highly unlikely that MGTOW philosophy will go to masses. MGTOW isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 07:02 PM
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Majority of men have to choose between bad and nothing. And only few of them are stoic enough to choose nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 02:59 PM
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I am sure they are. But overprotection does more harm than favors. I have experienced that myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 02:31 AM
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Indeed, I don't have children at all. So I have something to add I would appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 01:25 AM
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People are different indeed. But usually bad people pretend to be good people and if you see a person who looks good that doesn't mean that they are really good. If you are willing to take this risk it is your choice but I am not a gambler and I don't want to stake my future and lose it.
/r/MGTOW209/07/21 11:44 PM
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My bad, I didn't expect that I need to clarify that I am talking about more or less equal and mutually respectful relationships. Obviously femdom and slut-fucking do not fit here. To be honest I wouldn't even call it relationships but for each their own I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 10:10 PM
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share your woman If you share she is not yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 08:49 PM
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What, you expect me to bring here a bunch of quotes from their subreddit as a proof that they see their partners as a walking talking wallet? You can go there and see it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 07:35 PM
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It is pretty simple. If a woman doesn't like a man - a man is creep. If a woman doesn't like how a man treats her - a man is abuser. You can start your calculations from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 07:19 PM
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I consider FDS tactics and goals questionable. You don't and that is perfectly fine - perception of reality is subjective and I am not here to convince you that I am right and you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 07:11 PM
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So what? I was talking about women here. If someone is doing questionable things that doesn't mean that it is OK to do them no matter who you are - man, woman or assault helicopter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:42 PM
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Some women are quite good in hiding their true intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:24 PM
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who respects your boundaries. Nice joke I really like it. They will allow you to leave at any time. Sure, they will just bleed their man dry during divorce process.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:11 PM
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Actively attacking and luring prey into trap are just a various predatory tactics but they are both predatory and that is the only thing which matters. There are men who are immune to the second strategy but they are insignificant minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:02 PM
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Many spiders do not pursue their prey. But that doesn't mean that they are not predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:48 PM
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Actually, they do men a favor by coming here. The more men know about them and their tricks the less efficient their tactics will become.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:21 PM
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FDS is protective? Their sole goal is to get from a man as much as they can and to give as less as possible in return. It is an aggression no matter how you look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 12:51 PM
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MGTOW is not a universal answer which fits everyone it is a choice every man does on his own and this way has both benefits and drawbacks. If it isn't for you - just don't take it, no one will force you. I do believe that every man should know about MGTOW but not every man should follow it.
/r/MGTOW207/07/21 12:13 PM
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You have to interact with people dont you, colleagues, coworkers, neighbours, etc. And the first question they ask is about my sexual life of course. not giving opportunities in your professional life If you want opportunities in carrier you need to take them. No one gives them away freely. The moment someone has more power over you and doesnt like you they can make your life harder for no other reason than they want to. They might try but I am not entirely helpless though and they might regret …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:45 PM
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Why should I care about their treatment? It is not like I need anything from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:30 PM
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I still don't see any benefits for myself. Of course opinion of certain people matter because they can affect my life like opinion of my manager for example. But I doubt my manager cares about my sexual life to that is not the case here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:28 PM
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We do this because being a virgin is a good proxy/predictor of your overall value as a man. Why should I care what others think about my value? In most cases they know nothing about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 09:20 PM
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I am writing this post to address several insults hurled towards men who subscribe to the M.G.T.O.W. They can't insult you if you don't care about their opinion.
/r/MGTOW206/07/21 08:05 PM
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Makes sense. Looks like their trust their friends more that their own judgement though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 07:50 PM
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Humans are too complex to comprehend 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 07:49 PM
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Not only through work I also have a few friends left from school and university. All of them are engineers or other tech specialists though so maybe this lifestyle is common among artists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 07:10 PM
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It's a shockingly common lifestyle these days. Where do you even find people like that? Not like I have a lot of friend but everyone I know is a hardworking guy doing his best. Though it is not what women want and half of my friends (and myself) are very unlucky in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 06:56 PM
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Because I wasted a lot of time and efforts only to get nothing but failure in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 02:33 PM
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I was wrong when I tried to find relationships. One of the biggest mistakes in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 02:07 PM
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Men define what they can get by the choices they make every day to obtain what they want. I think it is called "wishful thinking". The more patience you have for delayed gratification, the longer you can vet people. I am a very patient man but I am not immortal and I can't test everyone for years (and I doubt they have enough patience to wait that long anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 10:17 PM
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If men will pursue what they want instead of what they can get they will end up getting nothing at all. Majority of bad people pretend to be good people and some of them really good at that. Thus, your idea about avoiding bad people is completely unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 07:34 PM
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If they want to but Ш meant self-destructive behavior in general like alcohol abuse or reckless riding. Used to do that myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 05:34 PM
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I suspect that they know about it and use this strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 05:29 PM
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That is unfortunate indeed. But still if someone wants to make this choice I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 11:14 AM
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why we never quite hear about the other side: too few previous partners and lack of experience. Are you talking about women problems only here? Because this is a real problem for every man and the best strategy for male virgins is to lie about previous experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 11:11 AM
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but don’t destroy yourself Why not? I always thought that I can do whatever I want with my life as long as my actions don't affect others.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:28 AM
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Male feminists. There were Jews who supported Nazis (google Association of German National Jews if you want to know more). It didn't work out fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:25 AM
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My apartment style is a pure minimalism and functionality.
/r/MGTOW205/07/21 01:07 AM
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I don't care about them myself because they are no threat for me but I understand people who dislike them. They are a real landmine for those who date.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 01:04 AM
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A lot of men come to MGTOW because of problems with women and at that moment they are very emotionally unstable - they hate women, disgusted by women, see women as an ultimate evil. In my opinion next step should be developing indifference toward women otherwise one can't really go his own way. Unfortunately many don't do that and forever stay at the very beginning of the way without any progress drowning themselves in their own hatred.
/r/MGTOW204/07/21 02:14 PM
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what I want is to find a woman who is not crazy or at least who I can interact with and have some positive experiences. Well, good luck with that, what else could I say? Your story actually reminded me myself when I was younger but I made different choice back then.
/r/MGTOW204/07/21 03:57 AM
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There are people who avoid hardships and they do not achieve anything indeed. However, people like this are minority and I see much more people around who take risks who go through discomfort and difficulties today to build better tomorrow. I do it myself and a have some achievements I am proud of and I have my share of failures too. As for dating, I failed miserably and I am not the only one. I don't know reasons why and I stopped caring a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:37 PM
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Why should I care? They ruin their lives not mine.
/r/MGTOW203/07/21 08:39 PM
3

Who told you that RP guy = alpha male?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 05:59 PM
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Considering that their skin exposed to harmful conditions 8 hours a day (and in some cases it could be up to 12 hours) I doubt there will be any significant effect from skincare. It affects hands skin mostly because they are often not covered and people who work a lot in such conditions have it look almost like scales. If you don't like it just avoid blue collars.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 01:08 PM
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Let me tell you something. A lot of men work in a very tough conditions which affect their skin in a very negative way and trying to fix it is just a waste of recourses. I worked in mining industry many years and saw in with my own eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 12:40 PM
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I didn't mean that she will return to the previous one I meant she probably will start looking for another one which is as good as previous one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 02:53 AM
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I don't and I can't know how other people think and feel I can speak only for myself. But considering how many people cheat they probably don't mind same treatment otherwise they are not only cheaters but hypocrites as well. Those who don't cheat probably see it in a same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 02:17 AM
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Great justification. And feminists surprised that people don't like them.
/r/MGTOW203/07/21 02:09 AM
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She is not a clown. She is the entire circus.
/r/MGTOW203/07/21 02:07 AM
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Is it surprising? I see cheating as a disrespect and I can't tolerate disrespect from a partner. If you don't like tell me that straight to my face and we will part our ways. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 01:58 AM
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Because she will want better and will be able to get it. These two conditions are enough to make this conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 01:50 AM
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Is it because her dissatisfaction increases her propensity to cheat or monkey branch ? This is a distinct possibility and it is very unreasonable to ignore it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 11:01 PM
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Though correlation is not causation, it is my view that living at home is specifically what is driving the sharp decline in young men having sex. You are reversing cause and effect here. There is no point for young men to rent if they can't get sex, it is just a waste of money and it is much more reasonable for them to stay to stay with parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 10:53 PM
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I can't speak for everyone but I my case it is pretty simple - girls don't like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 09:16 PM
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Are you serious? Because they can't find partner who will agree to have sex with them. It is really surprising that such obvious things need to be stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 05:15 PM
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Then why did you bring it here?
/r/MGTOW202/07/21 03:11 PM
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Why would anyone even care about shaming? It is their life and they can do anything they want with it.
/r/MGTOW202/07/21 02:58 PM
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That is just disgusting.
/r/MGTOW202/07/21 01:20 PM
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Well, not like I hate someone but even if I did why would it matter? I can love and hate whoever I want. Or did we finally reached the point where thoughtcrimes are prohibited? In that case sorry didn't know about that.
/r/MGTOW202/07/21 12:58 PM
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Is it a taboo? When someone asks me why I am single I always give same answer - girls don't like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 11:37 PM
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I am not trying to attack you here but you say it like it is easy. It is not and what you listed is not enough.
/r/MGTOW201/07/21 06:35 PM
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Maybe not a lot but they definetely exist. Problem is that laws and unwritten rules of society give women a lot of power over men nowadays and power can corrupt even the most innocent and saint ones.
/r/MGTOW201/07/21 03:57 PM
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Do you know how easy it is to get laid? For some people - maybe. But I also know how hard it is for other people (including myself) You think you shouldn't work to get laid. I am not sure what do you mean by "work" here but I definetely do not expect it to be free You are pessimist. I am cynic and realist. Thought I was a romantic fool when I tried dating You can't handle rejection. I was rejected many times in my ten years of attempts. As you can see I am still alive. My solution get a job What…
/r/MGTOW201/07/21 03:55 PM
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I am not sure I can use word "happy" but I am definetely satisfied with my single player life. It is much better that it was when I tried to find relationships, failed miserably and hated myself for that. Now I have peace and harmony and my life simply because I just do what I can and enjoy and don't try to do what I can't and unable to comprehend.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 03:11 PM
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Quite often social media is just an exhibition of arrogance, egotism and pretense. Of course it can't be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 11:46 PM
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Thought so.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 06:43 PM
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Never ever in my life I received hints from women. So either I missed them or I indeed wasn't targeted ever. I wonder what answer is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 05:03 PM
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THIS IS STARTA!!! We all know how this guys ended up though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 04:53 PM
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/r/MensLib is a community to explore and address men's issues We consider ourselves a pro-feminist community. Well, it sounds almost as ridiculous as "Nazi Jews".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 04:51 PM
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That is more like it. They definetely want to control and exploit their partner in daily life but that doesn't mean they want to dominate them sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:08 PM
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36, Man. Used to live in Russia until 2019 but completely ceased dating in 2010. Dating there had some advantages: almost complete absence of feminists (especially outside of major cities), laws related to marriage are not so bad and majority of women really care about their looks. However, cheating and infidelity are pretty common and a lot of women are very mercantile.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:01 PM
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I would say they want a doormat with money. I didn't notice tendency to sexually dominate among them (though I didn't research them too much).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:41 PM
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I don't see any problems with taxes, landlords and police or maybe you know any working examples of state-scale anarchy? Laws could be rigged but 10 years ago I lived in a country with much more rigged and unfair laws so I can compare. For people who were born and lived all their lives in the North America or Western Europe situation might look pretty bad and I understand why, I truly do. But I also know that there are a lot of places in this world which are much worse and very few (if any) whic…
/r/MGTOW228/06/21 03:04 AM
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I don't have to experience it myself. Have it your way but in that case I can't consider you speculations trustworthy. Because I experienced that and my experience was very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 08:43 PM
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Okey, but you said that there is a lot of women who are natural beauties. I didn't say "a lot" I said I met women who look attractive without noticeable artificial improvements. I don't know what it takes to looks like this and you don't know how difficult (or easy) it is for a man to be attractive because you can't experience it yourself. People tend to neglect difficulties alien for them (like men/women have it easier than we do) and it is not only about gender differences but pretty much ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 06:05 PM
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Maybe so. But it is also important to consider that attractiveness of men based not only on their appearance but also their achievements. Attractive appearance is just a first check.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 05:12 PM
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As far as I know all bodyhair can be removed permanently (or at least for a long time periods) so it doesn't look like a big problem to me. Men also need to care about their face and head hair (some men have long hair too). So the only big difference is see is skip care. But men also need to follow their own routine to be attractive (like gym for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 04:42 PM
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Not all women like conventionally attractive men, so your looks is not a main issue. Your attitude and lack of effort is. Not all but majority. Hunting for exceptions from general rule is a fool's errand if you ask me. You can improve your looks by taking care of your skin, hair, weight and style. You can even use make up, yes men do it too. I can but my possibilities are quite limited in comparison with women. Women you find attractive ALWAYS put a lot of effort in their looks, non of them is "…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 02:41 PM
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If a woman is single it is because she has chosen to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 11:45 PM
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Never. I change myself only when I want to change myself not when others want me to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 01:45 PM
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It is not only about looks there are other important criteria. Of course you probably won't ever find absolute average person but it isn't necessary. It is just a reference for evaluating yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 03:39 AM
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>A 50% Divorce Rate does not mean you have a 50% chance of divorce It means that average Joe has 50% chance of divorce. If you are above average it will be less than 50% if you are below average it will be more than 50%. By the way, I don't even see any point in marring at all because there are no benefits but a lot of risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 12:53 AM
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Maybe my partners weren't good but all shots I gave in my life backfired. Badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 10:20 PM
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Sometimes its best to just take a moment, leave your room and house that you have not left the past year apart from basic commodities, and actually experience the real world. Why sometimes? Everyone should do that to find what they can do what they like to do and what they enjoy to do. But it is also necessary to be prepared for that and that is where all these debates might be useful. When one knows what to expect they have more chances to succeed or minimize losses in the worst case scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 09:36 PM
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For a man his standards matter. But OP's idea is that having standards is making a man more attractive and if his best options is to stay single it is not going to work that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 09:19 PM
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Marry a woman who makes as much as you Ok and what if after several years your income increase significantly and her stays same? keep most assets separate in a marriage (small joint account & everything else individual) That could be impossible in some legislations. sign a rigorous non coercive prenup w/ two individual independent lawyers prior to marriage. Same as second - could be impossible or useless in some legislations.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 09:14 PM
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Why so? If a man is single that means his standards don't have any meaning at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 09:02 PM
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Maybe so maybe less. As I said, there is just not enough info to make even very rough estimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 05:47 PM
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It is quite difficult to evaluate actually. Men are not expected to expose any problems they have they are expected to hide them and deal with them while pretending that everything is OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 05:31 PM
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To be honest I don't see any point in going off-grid. I am pretty much invisible living and a big city anyway so no one bothers me. In fact, it is much easier to be invisible in crowd.
/r/MGTOW225/06/21 12:55 PM
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Basically, the world is made for, and by, 5/10 dudes who wife-up 5/10 women. But do these guys really have options? For me it looks like they take what they can and their only alternative is staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 12:48 PM
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For me it mostly a hobby which is also interesting for me so it could be enjoyed together. For example when I was interested in dating I used to ride snowboard, bicycle and motorcycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 12:35 PM
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This is saying men should date what ever woman agrees to be with him. Not at all. There is always option to stay single which is available for everyone. I had chosen it myself a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 11:46 AM
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OPs idea is definitely true for the "upper average" guys, who make easily 15% of the society, Yes I agree with this evaluation. And that means that OP's statement is false for 85% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 11:44 AM
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Typical case of cause and effect reversal. I wonder why do I see it so often nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 12:02 AM
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And why that should do that in case of free or paid sex? Every goal could be achieved in a different way and people tend to use way easiest for them. For some people it is easy to pay, for some people it is easy to get it for "free". What matters is result and it is same in both cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 08:09 PM
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Standards matter only when a man has several options to choose from (and that means he is already quite attractive). If a man has zero options than his standards have zero importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 07:31 PM
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(that she can and will give away freely to more attractive men) I can repair my car for free but instead of that I pay mechanic to repair my car. Does that make me a loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 07:24 PM
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Does it even matter? They get what they want and I am sure that they are OK with the price they pay. Looks like a good deal for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 07:14 PM
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Dating sites existed of course but they were very niche thing and majority of people met offline. At least that how it was in the country where I used to live. When I say "OLD" I mostly mean modern smartphone apps like Tinder which become very widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 07:08 PM
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The point is that an average single guy, and a below average single guy which wants a relationship is much better off taking random walks in park then using the app. I am more or less average and I quit dating 10 years ago when OLD wasn't even a thing. Because even than girls didn't want average guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 12:44 AM
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We are both Russians. Used to work in the same company there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:16 PM
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Ha, my housemate also asked me once "why are you not dating? It is so easy nowadays." And I do believe that it wasn't a mockery and she genuinely didn't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 05:11 PM
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I'm sorry, is this some sort of women joke that I'm too manly to understand?
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 05:05 PM
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My housemate speaks English quite well not like native of course but for foreigner she is very good. Still I was really surprised how easy it was for her to find partners. I heard a lot about it before but that was the first time when I saw it with my own eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:56 PM
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I have quite good example right in front of me. In the beginning of 2020 I immigrated to Canada and almost at the same time one of my female acquaintance did the same thing. To save money we decided to rent together and just in a couple of months she wasn't sleeping at home 2-3 nights a week. And just to be clear - she never visited Canada before and as far as I know she knew no one here before immigration.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 03:36 PM
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You can't. It is human instinct and there is no way to quit being human. You can only suppress and control it.
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 03:00 PM
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You are right - it is not hard. But being just above average is not enough a man needs to be among the best to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 02:47 PM
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I'm afraid if I improve women will be attracted to me Oh don't worry about that. You need to become the best of the best to attract women without doing anything at all. But even if you will become like this what prevents you from rejecting them?
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 11:02 PM
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For me it makes no sense to even think about it. Investment in women nowadays is a pretty much venture investment. And I am not a gambling type. However, from what I saw in this life I could say that many men date sluts and marry prudes. It is a little bit of extreme generalization of course but I sure that it makes priorities understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:34 PM
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Almost everyone wants the best. But quite often there is a big difference between what the one wants and what the one could really afford. Thus this desire for the best and lack of desire to accept reality leads them down a very wrong path.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:06 PM
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Well, that depends on what you want to see. Moscow and St Petersburg have a lot of tourist attractions. But as we say "Moscow isn't Russia" and if you want to see how people really live there it is better to find someone in Russia who can show you around smaller cities below one million citizens. But that could be quite depressing though.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 10:01 PM
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Quote from this article Yet while a projected 32,800 to 47,500 worker visas were expected to be granted in fiscal year 2019 (April 1, 2019 – March 31, 2020), just 1,621 foreign residents held this visa ten months into the fiscal year.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 09:50 PM
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They allow immigrants in a very limited amount which do not compensate population losses at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 09:48 PM
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It 2020 I immigrated from Russia to Canada. Obviously I knew no one here and I am single so I am here on my own. But that is ok I am used to relying on myself only.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 08:45 PM
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Japan is one of the most monoethnical countries. It is very difficult to immigrate there and Japanese themselves are not very welcoming.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:24 PM
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It is not some sort of secret but it is a bad example to study from. Short story: I've seen some shit. Long story: I was very emotional kid and teenager and overreacted to every failure (and failed a lot) but I always tried to control and hide it. At certain point life hit me so bad that I was overfilled with anger and hatred (mostly for myself) and I didn't find a way to release it. In a couple of month these feelings suddenly just disappeared themselves and I became much more calm and it is pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 08:14 PM
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I don't understand them at all but I suppose they have some hopes for success or maybe they are so humble that they are satisfied with what they are given. Who knows?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 07:47 PM
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Do you have a job? I do. Does it make you upwardly mobile? I am an engineer so I suppose it does. There are opportunities for growth if one willing to put efforts into that Do you have mental issues? Nothing I know about. Though possibility cannot be excluded completely Can you carry on a conversation with a stranger? Due to nature of my work I have to deal with new people quite often so I guess I can. Do you have interests/hobbies outside of video games? Not many but yes I have Do you have tang…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:21 PM
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To be honest I don't feel any pity for these simps. They brought it all down upon themselves and if they don't like it they have no one to blame except themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:08 PM
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Provide your criterias of worthiness and I will answer. Otherwise it might look like baseless bragging.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:02 PM
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Well, I can't speak for everyone but I had to learn how to live without these things because my dating experience was a complete disaster. And I believe I more or less succeeded with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 04:52 PM
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As I mentioned earlier it is not about you or any other female, there are always exceptions but they don't make a rule. It is about majority of them. When I meet a woman first time I expect that she will behave like majority of women do and I have myself prepared for that.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 12:16 PM
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Retreating is not always an option and probably you will have to do something about it later anyway. One of many thing I learnt in my life it that average woman is much better than average man in treachery and deceit and usually she doesn't hesitate to use this advantage.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 12:08 PM
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I meant that previously they criminalized selling sexual services. In was unpleasant but bearable. But now it is unacceptable for both clients (who is risking facing criminal offence) and prostitutes themselves (because they they lose clients). Government doing it for their own benefit only to get support of these brainwashed self-righterous leftists who care only about their own ego but not people around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:48 AM
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First of all, I do not date men. Well, I do not date women anymore either but they still might try their dirty tricks on me. Secondly, if I have a conflict with a man he will let me know about that and we will probably end up with a few punches in each other face (not always literally but you get the idea). If a woman has a problem with me she will probably smile in my face and backstab me when I least expect that. There are exceptions of course but I am talking about majority of men and majorit…
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 11:33 AM
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Prices would decrease indeed and some prostitutes who don't mind doing illegal work might be against legalization. But I don't see why anyone else should be against it. Also now some governments trying to different approach and trying to eliminate prostitution by criminalizing buying sexual services not selling them. I believe that will be much more efficient way because prostitutes won't get any bonuses for risk anymore and amount of their clients will drastically decrease because I don't think…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:25 AM
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I am very cautious when dealing with them but I don't hate them. And why would I hate them? I see women in a same way I see dangerous predators - bears, tigers and many other could kill me easily but I don't hate them for that because that is natural for them.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 11:10 AM
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Casual dating gives that? I don't thinks so. Long-term relationships where both parties commit properly might give you that but honestly when did you see such thing last time?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:36 AM
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Japan's ahead of the curve and so far they haven't really had a noteworthy amount of issues from male or female sexlessness Europeans, Americans and Japanese have a lot of differences in their mentality. Japanese just endure while Europeans and Americans might revolt. And Japan already has very serious problem with decreasing and aging population. Dating is not only casual sex it is also future families and children. Plenty of other groups to tax. True, but I don't think there is such thing as "…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:34 AM
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Is it a bad thing? And why government would care about prices if know it doesn't get anything from it at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:25 AM
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That is part of it. If it will continue to rise it might cause problems in the future if it doesn't already. Plus financial benefits in form of taxation of legal business, who can resist that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 02:22 AM
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Do you consider it parent's jobs to educate their sons on how attract women? They should do that. Some things change but basics are same and modern women want same things women wanted in the past. If you're a dude, did your parents educate you on how to attract women and was it effective? They didn't and consequences were quite unpleasant for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 02:08 AM
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And you're saying I'm supposed to believe that it being legalized and therefore having more clients will help? It is not about amount of clients. It is about safety for both prostitute and a client. I'd keep it illegal and then pay prostitutes enough to get out of the sector in exchange for money and slowly grow a list of the big names in the underground prostitution world. Great plan. But sometimes it is necessary to think not only about today's benefits but about long-term consequences as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 02:02 AM
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That only means that both of them couldn't care less about people. Prostitution has been existing for thousand of years and even though it was assessment vary significantly for different times and cultures it didn't disappear. And it won't disappear because there is always demand and supply due to human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 01:38 AM
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too easy to exploit Looks quite far-fetched to me. It happens in countries where prostitution is criminalized and organized crime enforces women to work as prostitutes in some cases and they can't seek protection from law. But I don't see how it could happen if it is legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 01:30 AM
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need for emotional intimacy and satisfying the need to be desired by another person. Nothing could be done about it. Men are easily replaceable nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 11:26 PM
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Liberals don't like it either but in a different way. In Canada they criminalized buying sexual services on federal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 11:13 PM
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Just consider it a game you will lose (because there is high chance that you will) and invest/commit accordingly.
/r/MGTOW220/06/21 09:52 PM
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loving wives The only problem is that is a dying breed. In my life I saw only one (wife of one of my friends).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 09:40 PM
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Yep. Honestly I don't see any drawbacks in legal prostitution. Prostitutes get safer work, their clients receive services they want without risks of dealing with illegal activities and government get taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 09:37 PM
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It won't change dating and I don't think that is the goal. Legal prostitution is an alternative for those who don't want or can't participate in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 09:21 PM
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First was a couple of months of hate and anger. Then few month to pull myself together and accept reality. And then significant improvement in quality of life.
/r/MGTOW220/06/21 07:51 PM
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Thanks bro.
/r/MGTOW220/06/21 04:30 PM
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That is the plan. I was thinking about Milwaukee or Indianapolis but I am not picky and any place with reasonable rent/salary ratio will do.
/r/MGTOW220/06/21 04:06 PM
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That is what I intend to do. I have started new job recently in US company and I will look for opportunities to relocate in a couple of years.
/r/MGTOW220/06/21 03:44 PM
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Oh man I feel you much better than I want to. I live in Greater Toronto Area and if you want a house here you need 1000k CAD at least. With my annual salary about 85-90k CAD my mortgage limit is about 500k CAD. And even if I will get better salary (and I intend to do so) prices here rise like crazy anyway so it won't help. I will stay here for a 2-3 years more but after that I want to relocate.
/r/MGTOW220/06/21 12:45 PM
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Boring for others? Maybe. But RP is not about entertaining others it is about your own benefit. And if redpillers enjoy their life why should they care about others opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 12:31 PM
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overestimating how much backlash you'll get from an innocent flirt. Probability of backlash is quite low indeed. However, backlash itself and its consequences could be devastating. but honestly it sounds pretty fragile to be affected by this to the point of not daring to flirt with anyone in the street or workplace anymore if you're interested. You could call it a cowardice and probably you are right. But I call it caution and I am right too because objectively it is same thing and the differenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 12:25 PM
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It is not only about RP but pretty much everything. There are people who tend to lie no matter their beliefs and values. They manipulate statistics, ignore arguments which contradict their beliefs, exaggerate arguments which support beliefs and just generalize some specific situations and examples. Not all RP do that and not only PR do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 01:34 PM
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Exactly. There is actually another quite good song about it Terminal Choice - She's the Devil
/r/MGTOW219/06/21 12:42 PM
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Men are freaking the fuck out about sexlessness and dating challenges all over this forum. They do but it is not like situation will change. Also, I was talking about "survival" and I am sure that they won't die. Thought some weak-willed individuals might kill themselves because of that. I'm pretty sure most men want a woman more than most women want a man. I don't think it is like that. I believe desire for partner is approximately equal for both sexes but it is easier to fulfill for women and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 12:31 PM
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I don't know whether they like it or not but that is pretty much what they implemented in Canada and as far as I know in some European countries as well (don't know about US though).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 12:20 PM
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The free love movement gave today's men active participants in the bedroom. Is it that important? Don't you think women lost something important on that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 01:15 AM
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I know what goes on in my husbands day to day as he knows mine because we check in with each other, have conversations about our day together. That is great. Honestly. I even know one couple like this in real life. Problem is, much more often I see people who are unhappy with each other but pretending that everything is OK or just divorce/break up. If you are unable to empathize with a partner I was and that was a mistake. Big one. But it made me stronger so I don't complain. The guys that won't…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 01:13 AM
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Hostility is overestimation in my opinion but people are definetely more cautious nowadays. And that is not surprising because relationships have become much more unforgiving - one wrong step and you are fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 12:52 AM
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Friend are OK, I have a couple of friend from my job myself. But that is another thing. Intimate relationships are temporary and after breaking up people will still have to work together. And that is rarely ends well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 12:17 AM
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Women dont need men Good for them I suppose. But if I am providing something I want something equal in return. And if sellers increase price without providing better goods I call it a bad deal and I won't buy it. After all, men also don't need women to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 12:14 AM
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So it is happening "after" work? What I meant is that you can't show hostility at work even if you feel it. As for outside of working hours, well, intimate relationships with colleagues always was a very stupid thing and now it is even worse but young people tend to do stupid things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 11:54 PM
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feminists are supportive of sex workers and want decriminalization. True, they decriminalize selling sexual services. At the same time they criminalize buying sexual services.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 11:24 PM
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If you show hostility at work you will become unemployed very soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 11:22 PM
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Why they should work harder? Do they get something what previous generation didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 11:21 PM
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Not like I care about them but I don't enjoy their suffering either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 09:50 PM
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I just hope that they will understand someday that the problem is them and it won't be too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:28 PM
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Having standards is not a problem. Blaming others that they don't fit in your ridiculous standards is the problem. Just seeing all this stupid ranting about "no good men/women left" makes me sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:52 AM
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Agree. They are definetely reverse cause and effect here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 10:45 PM
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Thinking about others is one thing and there is nothing wrong with that. But sacrificing yourself for others is a little bit different and a bad deal in my book. If for the sake of society my life needs to be ruined than society will have to sort it out without me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 10:25 AM
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They aren’t wrong; “the blue pill”, aka “normal mainstream society”, is structured to maintain itself Does that mean that some people always will be sacrificed for the sake of society? I mean people who believed in goodness and kindness of others (aka bluepilled) and than had their delusions destroyed by cruel reality after they had been trapped?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 02:28 AM
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but that isn't why they don't like it. Well, you could replace "danger" with "unpredictability" that would be better I suppose. Though danger is a part of this unpredictability anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 02:20 AM
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You didn't explain why certain people don't like when something is out of their control. Because it is dangerous? Yes, probably because of that. Play with fire and you will get your fingers burnt. They should accept it in that it shouldn't matter to them if any particular woman isn't interested If a woman isn't interested and clearly states that it is perfect and completely safe. I am talking about situations when a woman pretend to be interested but in fact has ulterior motives. not that they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 02:10 AM
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I only explained why certain people don't like when something is out of their control. It looked like you suggesting that they should just accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 01:42 AM
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Where they miss the mark is that a lot of aspects of dating and life are still beyond their control. If something cannot be controlled it will become dangerous. And it is a matter of "when" not "if".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 01:29 AM
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How desperate are things now that we have to become bounty hunters in other countries? Do they even know how it is done? Looks like some kind of naive teenage dream to me. They better start with army, private military of foreign legion.
/r/MGTOW214/06/21 11:25 PM
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They have an opportunity to learn it easy way but if they prefer to do it hard way then I respect their choice. After all, who I am to preach them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 10:49 PM
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When my parents or friends asked me that question I just shrugged and said "Girls don't like me". And that was (and probably is) pretty much truth.
/r/MGTOW214/06/21 10:38 AM
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I am 36 and I was MGTOW since 25 even though I knew nothing about is back then. And there are my advices: That is obvious but no marriage. Of course there are women worth marring but there are many more women who just play this role and show their fangs when it is to late for you. Too risky in my book. Try dating but don't overdo it. You don't need to waste years (like I did) to properly evaluate your chances in this game. And if they are no good then just quit it. Be careful with you trust (and…
/r/MGTOW213/06/21 11:48 PM
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Maybe they don't. But this info isn't classified and just a little bit of Google-jutsu is enough to find all this beautiful statistics and researches. And if they don't want to look for it or don't think it is necessary then they don't have anyone to blame except themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 10:45 PM
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“most matches go nowhere and the people who create these sites know that” I would call it a scam if you didn't know that but you do. It is like a casino - no one forces people to play this rigged games but they do that anyway even though they know that house always wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:33 PM
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I have better uses for my money so I suppose I am not that interested. And when I just quit my libido was crazy enough to drive me bankrupt if I went that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:16 PM
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Complete lack of sex and intimacy of course. Not like I was very successful before but understanding that I won't have in the future ever was quite depressing at first before I got used to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 08:30 PM
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I didn't give a single f*ck since I quit dating and that was a great relief indeed. I didn't even understand weight of this burden before because it looked completely natural for me. Of course, I had a price to pay for that but I think it was a good deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 08:06 PM
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Despite this unpleasant side effect it is still very interesting experiment which destroys delusions perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 10:05 PM
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Well, I haven't been playing this game for a long time so maybe it has become that bad by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 01:33 PM
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It is all up to you. MGTOW is not some kind of ideology which requires you to go further until the very end. It is a lifestyle you choose voluntary and if 5 is to much for you but 3 is comfortable enough than stay on level 3. No one will force you to go further and if they will try just tell them to go to hell.
/r/MGTOW212/06/21 01:16 PM
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I meant that if an average man want to get same sex as it the past he need to put much more effort in that (mostly in improving himself so technically he won't be average anymore). Decreasing your expectations without increasing efforts is just another way to find balance and result is same - deal lose all appeal it had.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 01:11 PM
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You said that is OK to leave a man if he doesn't provide enough. Same story with beauty - it will wither as time goes and thus will require replacement but you are not OK with that and that is hypocrisy. Also, I don't think term like "significant other" even appropriate here you make it all sound like a deal so I see it all from rational point of view without any emotions involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 01:07 PM
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So I suppose the answer is "no". Quite hypocritical indeed but I didn't expect anything else. Anyway, thank you for answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:09 AM
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I didn't notice anything about children in her posts. All I see is desire to be sponsored and spoiled.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:46 AM
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Aren't you a humble one, are you? Ok, that one is cleared and I have only one question left. Is it acceptable for a man to replace his partner at any moment with more beautiful or/and younger woman? He is pursuing his natural purpose in life too after all so there shouldn't be any hard feelings if he does so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:43 AM
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Fair enough. Though I suppose OP won't agree with you on that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:37 AM
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Ok, than define for me ability to "provide" otherwise it goes nowhere. And a little bit of statistics just in case: median wage for workers in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2020 was $984 per week or $51,168 per year.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:19 AM
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Does it work both both ways? I mean is it acceptable for man to say something like "No, you are too poor so I won't date you"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:13 AM
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You have a very unrealistic image of "average". If a guy has an average income it is definetely not enough to be a sponsor so his wife will have to work and add something to household budget and it goes against definition of "golddigging" itself. Luxury of being sponsor can be afforded only by quite reach guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 03:07 AM
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Ok, let's develop this idea a little bit. Does that mean that every woman who date or marry average guy is unhappy? They failed to achieve their natural goal after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 02:52 AM
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The term « gold digging » shouldn’t exist because it’s in women’s nature to look for a wealthy man who can provide a good life. Correct me if I am wrong but it looks like that you are implying that every woman is a golddigger by nature thus this term is excessive and useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 02:36 AM
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I dont think a lot of people realize just how many likes/matches a woman will get on dating apps daily They could always try creating fake account and see it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 12:50 AM
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Call it whatever you want but in the end it is just a simple balance of investment and outcome. Amount of efforts average men need to put into getting sex rising while sex itself stays same. It is only natural that some men decide that it just doesn't worth it and more men will quit this game as price will continue to grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 12:11 AM
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A lot of girls claim that they like feminine men. And you were naive enough to believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 12:00 AM
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I really don't understand how it is skyrocketed so fast so high. I think last survey was done a couple of years ago or maybe even less.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 07:19 PM
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66% of UK male students were celibate. What? Last time I saw it was 34% among 18-24 years old males. And that looks quite believable for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 05:37 PM
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It doesn't really matter whether I want it or not. What matters is that is pretty much impossible thus it is useless to waste time on this search.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 04:36 PM
4

Government is not your parents to care about all your problems (and believe me, you don't want them to be your parents). The job of government is to set up rules for proper society functioning and that is it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:07 PM
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It is not completely wrong in fact: Cry and and show emotions? Sure but only when no one see them. Seek help? Well, friends usually could help if a man have them. Feel insecure? Men can feel everything. Not every feeling they allowed to show though. Wear whatever they want? I do that. It ruins my attraction (if I have any) because my clothes are comfortable and durable and I don't care about fashion at all. But I stopped caring about that a long time ago. Talk about their mental health? Of cours…
/r/MGTOW211/06/21 11:59 AM
1

I agree but 100 is definetely an overkill I never reached this number myself. For me a couple of dozens was enough to make a conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 11:29 AM
1

I never considered porn and masturbation as a proper substitute for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 11:25 AM
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For me porn always looked some sort of defective substitute for sex. And if people choose it they do it because of necessity not because they really wanted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:12 AM
3

Interesting point never thought about it like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 02:09 AM
0

That is weird I really don't understand why they even bother themselves with porn if they are so uninterested.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:47 AM
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I admit that I am not a pro in this topic but why not to add some variety in sex? I mean there are so many kinks and fetishes that it should be enough for quite a lot of time, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:25 AM
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Well, if for them porn was better than sex it is either porn become really great recently and I didn't notice or something was wrong with their partners. I don't see any other possibilities here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:03 AM
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I would say it is a symptom. Men turn to porn not because they want it so much but because they have to. I don't think that there are a lot of men who never even tried to approach women. Usually they try they fail and that is the moment porn goes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 12:12 AM
2

A wise man once said "never date anyone from you workplace". You will probably brake up later and will have to continue to work together. Same problem with a school by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 12:02 AM
4

I wouldn't even notice that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 11:21 PM
6

I think you guys are two of a kind. He is ignoring you without stating any reason you are just giving him ultimatum. Jeez, are you at war or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:58 PM
1

I suppose some men need to learn how to be satisfied with lifetime N=0.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 03:41 PM
4

Having standards is a great thing. Having ridiculously high standards AND blaming others that they do not fit them is not so great thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 10:31 AM
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I never said they will start fucking. But it will be quite ridiculous to mock and taunt them when every second person around you is virgin. When I was a 20 years old virgin a had to hide that very thoroughly because it was an anomaly at that time in a country where I used to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 10:29 AM
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In my opinion, men (I do mean #allmen this time) gotta start treating each other better That will never happen, competition is a men's nature. Those who can compete by becoming better themselves. Those who can't compete by pushing others around them into dirt and they always will do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:49 AM
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Hate and disappointment are typical starting positions of those who decided to go their own way. But to make first step on this way this feelings should be turned into indifference. It is a pity indeed that many don't understand that and instead drown themselves it this hate which ruins only themselves and no one else.
/r/MGTOW210/06/21 01:24 AM
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I'm not going to buy into it. Most men in my position are not going to buy into it. When majority of young men will be virgins they will have to buy into it. It is 34% already and I don't see any reason why it won't become more than 50%
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 12:50 AM
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Difficult doesn't mean impossible. Whether you want to overcome this difficulties or not is another question and you need to answer it for yourself. I decided that it doesn't worth the outcome and that is my choice and I take responsibility for it that is what men do. Never ever I blamed anything or anyone for that it is just immature and unmanly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 05:21 PM
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I can't agree. Yes, dating game has become much more unbalanced than before expectations have become much more warped than before but fundamentally it is still same game with same rules and goals: women the best man and men want as many women as they can get (though for many getting even one has become a problem).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 05:08 PM
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I don't like it myself but I can understand it. I suppose a lot of guys here had a very unpleasant experiences with women in the past and it is not easy to let them go. However, it is first thing which should be done - one can move forward if he allows his past to hinder him.
/r/MGTOW209/06/21 02:12 PM
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Think about it; what is trust? I would define it as a lack of necessity to verify provided information. So, if certain someone tells me something and I accept it as a correct information that means I trust this person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 12:56 PM
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A man shouldn't try to be "nice" but really altruist, honest, reliable, trustworthy, honorable, humble, courageus. To be honest, I don't think it is a good idea. A man won't gain much from that but there are a lot of people who will try to exploit him for their own gain. A man should put his own interests (and interests of people who important to him) above everything else. Making favours for those in need is just part of it. I make favors only for my friends. For everyone else I could make them…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 12:20 PM
2

and receiving my IOIs Are you sure about that? Men could be quite blunt in this matter. As for you situation in general, as far as can see people becoming less and less interested in long-term relationship and commitment nowadays. Attractive guys can have sex without it so there is no reason for them to settle down and a lot of average guys don't think it is worth the outcome (and if you are really attractive you are probably not interested in them at all). So, good luck with you endeavors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 12:12 PM
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Well, maybe "situation" is a better word english is not my first language. I meant that I had to learn it hard way and before I used to trust people (not everyone of course but certain people) and after the whole idea of relying on unverified information become ridiculous to me. Pretty much everyone could backstab no matter how long or how well you think you know them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 11:24 AM
1

It is irrelevant to attraction but relevant to success and success relevant to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 11:18 AM
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After certain events in my life the whole concept of "trust" lost any meaning for me. If I cant verify information I consider it unreliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 04:12 AM
2

Before I started to shave my head my hair were long enough to reach middle of my back. Problem is I had bald spot on vertex and it was very noticeable. But being bald is not that bad I expected worse before I shaved first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 04:04 AM
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Shaving your head is not though. When you start to lose you hair you don't have a lot of choice. I like shaved head more than bald spots. If you can’t get a gf but want one it’s definitely because you decided not to put in the effort. Pretty much. As I said before, for me this whole task was so ridiculously difficult that I decided to stop wasting my time and efforts (and believe me, I wasted a lot). But difficult doesn't mean impossible of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 03:42 AM
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😁 Well, maybe I am to strict to myself but still my appearance wasn't good enough. Or maybe it was something else but usually I failed initial checks and in most cases it happens because of appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 03:29 AM
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I didn't say that I am ugly I said I am bland. And yes, I suppose it was possible to get laid for me I just decided that it is to much trouble even though I consider myself as a quite purposeful person. I saw what my average-looking friends went through for that and their perseverance was really astonishing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 03:17 AM
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I never wanted to be someone other people want me to be I want to be the one I want to be myself. And if that is not good enough for other people so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 01:40 AM
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I never bothered myself with fancy hairstyles it is not practical in my opinion. Though for some time I had quite long hair but last in last few years I shave my head though it doesn't matter because I quit dating before I started doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 01:29 AM
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Well, In Robocop movie when he is still a human he resembles me a little bit I suppose. Like on this frame. David Bowie on this photo maybe but my chin is not that wide.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 01:13 AM
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I wouldn't call myself ugly it is better to describe my appearance as bland but it still might be the case so there are my answers: About 5 I suppose. My face is pretty average without any significant flaws or attractive features. I am quite skinny and that might be the problem - 178cm height and 60kg weight Uploaded photo to starbyface and best matches is Peter Weller though I doubt it. If you are really interested I could even give you my own photo (not like any of them ever went online so my …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 12:19 AM
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I wouldn't call my case "involuntary" I had other options but decided not to use them so it goes against definition of incel itself. Though for me it is hard to imagine situation where a man doesn't have a choice at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 11:51 PM
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Because if you are not a millionaire you can't afford helping others free of charge without harming your own interests. At least that is the way I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 10:40 PM
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To achieve your goals you need to put your own interests above everything else but these people don't do that. As an example I tell you how I do it. Someone want my help? Sure I can do that if it costs me nothing. If I need to put some efforts into helping this someone I want to be compensated. Of course it is not like that with my friends, but there are only few people I call "friends" who are really close to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 09:18 PM
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I wouldn't say it is entirely men fault there are always circumstances which can't be affected. But yes, major part of responsibility is their. After all, it is men's problem who else will solve it for them? For me it was a pretty simple choice between 3 options: Become one of the best and choose a woman I want. It required a lot of time and efforts and success wasn't guarantied. I didn't go with this one because I am quite satisfied with myself as I am and becoming better for someone else I a v…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 09:10 PM
1

Ok, I am started to lose point here. Could you clarify your position on that topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:37 PM
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Ok, the definition I provided is not perfect indeed. I have clarified it already in another comment but I will repeat myself: "I am talking about these people who are willing to help anybody who ask them without getting anything in return." So they are not only altruistic but also quite weak-willed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:35 PM
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They might be the minority, but the minority is still a large number (49.9% of the total demographic). It is still sounds very unconvincing but it is not like I have a statistics at my disposal prove it wrong. I disagree with you on that somewhat off-topic tenet because being altruistic is not akin to not being successful or setting up and pursuing their own goals. If you do charity after you became successful (like many rich people do) that is one thing and that is not what I am talking about. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:32 PM
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This is problem for later time but probably even more serious. Single parents unable to raise children properly whether they are boys or girls. As it is said: Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, <- And we are here now. and weak men create hard times. Still, that won't be a collapse. A a very serious crisis but humanity will overcome and cycle will continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:26 PM
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There are plenty of women who find themselves attracted to losers Really? I never met even one and I met a lot of various people in my life. P.S. I am talking here about genuine attraction not desire to exploit this type of guys. Because a lot of people like to exploit them indeed. so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here "Nice guys" who I define as "genuinely altruistic guys" are losers. Because there is no way for them to compete with egoistic guys who set up and pursue their own goals. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 08:01 PM
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"Being nice" is a good way to lose pretty much any competition and I dare to show me a woman who likes losers. That doesn't mean that man should bully everyone around them of course men can be courteous and competitive at the same time. But genuine altruistic behavior is a sure path to failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 07:38 PM
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Well, technically reproduction doesn't require many men. As for raising children consequences of single motherhood usually are disastrous and when it will become widespread it will definetely impact society badly. Though I probably won't be alive to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:06 PM
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That is the best joke I read in a week at least. Thank you very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 05:41 PM
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The whole 80/20 rule doesn't exist. If you say so. But in my experience majority of women want pretty much same - successful, strong, confident etc man. And they pursue the best of the best. And what makes you think they want to settle when they get older? Some of them (I even think majority of them) will. And there won't be enough top guys for all of them. Even if they do they be fighting over an even smaller group of men than now. Women are not that stupid you know. There are always exceptiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 05:36 PM
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For that current values need to become dozens times more and I don't expect it to be that bad. Self-preservation is a very strong instinct and for majority of people even complete loss of purposes to exist won't be enough to overcome it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 05:24 PM
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No, I meant that 10-20% of top men enough for casual sex with almost all women but many of them will want to settle when they are 30-40 years old. And only then they will be giving a chance to all this average guys though I am not sure that average guys will be interested by that moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 05:19 PM
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Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about and that will continue. In one of the recent threads there was info that sexlessness among young men increased from 31% to 34% (though I don't remember timeframe for this change). It will continue to grow and I think it could possibly reach 80-90%. That is for young men only of course, it will be much better for older men but worse that in is now when 30+ years old virgins are very rare thing to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 05:11 PM
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Why do you think society will collapse? Of course male sexlessness will become an issue (if it haven't already) and that probably will lead to some significant problems but nothing as bad as a complete collapse of society. My prediction is more mass shootings here and there, significant raise of male suicide rates (an self-destructive behavior in general) and other things like that which could be caused by "nothing to lose" attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 04:58 PM
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I am not a physician so I don't no any theory about that but I as a man who didn't have sex for many years I could say that I didn't notice any problems with my heath.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 12:24 PM
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You don't need to tell me better tell it to these naive fools. I learnt a long time ago and in a very hard way that empathy and compassion are completely alien concepts for many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 03:49 AM
3

Exactly. It is like supply and demand balance and right now demand is much high than supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 02:32 AM
2

I really don't a problem here at all. If you are truly independent why do you even care about criticism? You decide you how to live your life yourself and strangers' opinions shouldn't bother you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 02:29 AM
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Probably. Time will tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 11:31 PM
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I don't expect any shift per se. Most likely that current trend will continue to develop until majority of men will be pushed out of dating and certain balance will be reached.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 08:32 PM
1

I am not sure I understand why should we become androgynous? Males and females are different and they shouldn't become each other they should complement each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 08:02 PM
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Why do you think they won't act different? If a woman had 5 partners it is completely OK but if she had 50 partners it might be not the best idea to consider her for serious relationships. Knowing the past gives certain understanding of what the future might bring.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 06:41 PM
1

Engineer
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 06:28 PM
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My point is that asking this question is pretty much useless no matter how much you interested in the answer. And no one really cares about exact value there is no difference between 5 and 8 but there is significant difference between 5 and 50 and that could be evaluated without direct question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:59 PM
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I’ve never even had a single man I’ve dated ask how many other men I’ve slept with. Probably because they weren't stupid enough to expect honest answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:29 PM
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That is their choice and I don't judge them for it. But that doesn't mean that career is not available for them. After all if you are single you don't have much to do except making money and spending them for yourself. And personally I enjoy my job I truly believe that I am doing important things which have positive impact on society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:01 PM
1

I am exaggerating but you get the idea there is a certain threshold which is just too much. However, maybe it is just me being old-fashioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:34 PM
1

Well, I personally despise cheaters and in my opinion if a women changes her partners every week than there is high chance that she won't be faithful. among sexually successful liberal men Are we talking about these very attractive guys who are literally wanted by almost every women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:14 PM
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The men I know don't mind having sex with women like this but they prefer "good girls" when it comes to marriage. But probably they are not enough to be considered as a representative sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:04 PM
1

Very curious indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:02 PM
5

You are not the only one. Women usually don't like virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:56 PM
1

2 and 6 are reasonable values in my opinion. But that doesn't fit my definition of "bad bitch" thought it is quite subjective I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:54 PM
1

And were they honest about their past or they had to hide it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:54 PM
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Obviously that doesn't work in a same way for men. Men are expected to have certain level of sexual experience and if they don't have it they better lie about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:51 PM
5

some men like “bad bitches” Indeed, there are men who like them. But I am yet to meet a man who want marry one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:37 PM
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Why do women rail against this analogy though? They don't want to be seen as "bad locks" and more importantly they want men to change their beliefs about women with a vast amount of sexual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:27 PM
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I wouldn't say it is sexual history only usually people want to know about their partners past in general and that is a very reasonable thing. Knowing the past will allow you to forecast the future with decent level of precision.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:05 PM
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When you know the past you might guess what you could expect in the future. And usually these guesses come true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 02:34 PM
1

I don't feel regret I feel sorrow. I really wanted a family wanted children wanted to raise them as worthy people and give them better life than I have. And even though I understand that it is just a foolish dream which never had a chance to become reality it is still bugs me.
/r/MGTOW207/06/21 02:15 PM
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men are human beings too who get nervous, fear rejection, social shame etc When you guys will learn that men are not allowed to be weak?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 02:03 PM
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I agree that a lot of average men don't have any chances in relationships (and this number will only increase) but what the problem with career? After I stopped dating and devoted myself to career completely I achieved a lot and still see a lot of ways for further improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 01:39 PM
2

Glad to see that you are preparing in advance. Thoroughness like this is a rare thing to see indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:53 AM
2

Well, If you really want a man who behaves like this friend of yours you could try looking for a feminine man but I don't think you will like what you find. You can't have positive masculine traits and positive feminine traits in one person many of them are just mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:42 AM
3

So you expect men to share you interests? Ok, that is fair point. But what about you sharing man's interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:24 AM
0

Correct me if I am wrong but you don't like that men act like men and not like women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:19 AM
2

Hold on a second, are you planning to go there every time you need sex and then go back? Don't you think that prostitutes will cost you much less? It doesn't look like you are looking for some kind of serious relationships anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 02:58 AM
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going to other countries where the women don't have the same toxic mindset as American women First of all, have you ever tried living in some third-world country which is unaffected by this trend? I guess not, otherwise you wouldn't say it. Secondly, you can't just go to some country and live there you need legal status there and it could be difficult to acquire. Are you really willing to go through all these problems just to get a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 02:29 AM
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Man, I really feel you. I wanted family myself, wanted children, wanted to give them better life than I have. And even though I understand that it is just a foolish dream which will never become reality it is still bugs me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 02:19 AM
2

I am not sure if can use word "happy" but I am definitely satisfied with my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 12:32 AM
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Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks sounds like cuck porn. This is the way it was long before cuck porn even became a thing. It is just OLD made it much more obvious. The type of women they obsess over. I am disgusted by this attention seeking behavior. That doesn't mean women shouldn't be attractive of course but if they actively seeking attention in a ways you mentioned I consider it as a very bad sign. Most complaints about women here are sex related. Again, I can speak only for myself here but my own mai…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 05:23 PM
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It is pointless to judge these strategies they will continue to exist anyway. Instead of useless attempts of prohibition I would recommend studying them and developing defensive tactics against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 02:12 PM
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It is difficult and stressful to be on guard round a clock. Hiding your weaknesses, pretending to be tough. Sometimes men want to relax and receive support from someone, want to be themselves. But these naive fools don't know that it shouldn't be done in a company of a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 08:41 PM
2

Actually, I was almost completely serious, I learnt it hard way myself. If you show a woman you weakness do not expect her to pity you expect her to finish you off.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 08:31 PM
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Indeed, how dare these weaklings to want compassion. Well, they have to learn it hard way - that men are not allowed to have weaknesses, that they should withstand everything life throws at them like a rock without single complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 07:57 PM
0

What's the world come to if men are evaluated by their appearance but not their achievements?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 07:52 PM
1

Well, innuendo and half-thruths are bad enough even without lies. Thank you but ceased dating completely a long time ago. My way is a complete disaster for that and I had to learn it hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 11:09 PM
3

I have already mentioned how I see it - as a torrent of innuendo, lies, and half-truths and it is goes against my way of life as much as it is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 10:42 PM
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It’s up to you to decide how valuable being able to attract women is in your life. It is also important to understand how difficult this skill will be for you to master. For me it is not only difficult but just disgusting (and that is probably the reason why it is difficult).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 09:13 PM
2

Shit when i was younger i almost killed myself from lack of sex but i guess technically ur right. It is unpleasant of course but I never had problems with self-control. U have moral objections to prostitution or just not what u want? Not at all, it is quite opposite and I do believe that it should be legalized. And that is the problem - in the country where I used to live before providing sexual services is illegal so prostitutes work under organized crime and I didn't want to participate in it …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 08:56 PM
1

I’m always professional If that is not enough to rectify issues with them then accept my condolences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 08:46 PM
1

U dont need sex tho? I want it but that doesn't mean I need it. No one have ever died due to lack of sex. U see escorts? No
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 08:30 PM
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It was difficult at first but in just one year after I ceased dating completely and put the efforts I wasted on it in other things I got a significant improvement in my quality of life so it was a right choice. I won't deny that I feel lonely sometimes and just want someone to support me when life sucks but I just tell myself "Put yourself together, weakling" and deal with it on my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 08:00 PM
1

I also have to deal with customers form time to time but I prefer to do it by showing them my professionalism not by sweettalking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 07:52 PM
2

Of course, I have never been in relationship. That shouldn't be surprising, my approach to people works fine in working environment but it is a complete failure for establishing personal relationship. I learnt it hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 07:15 PM
2

(if you want to do it) I don't. Not anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 06:53 PM
4

Fortunately I am not a salesman so I don't care. My social skills are based on honesty and integrity and that is good enough to establish and maintain productive working relationships with people. While flirting is a a constant torrent of innuendo, lies, and half-truths which is completely opposite thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 06:51 PM
2

Oh, I didn't clarify. I wasn't talking about social skills in general they are definetely important. I meant flirting in particular. I have decent social skills but I can't flirt at all and I don't even bother myself with attempts to understanding this black magic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 06:27 PM
5

And I think that if many average men focused a bit more on building these vital skills What make them vital? These skills are pretty much useless for everything except seducing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 06:05 PM
1

I don't mind commuting itself, I like driving after all. But long commute distances make car maintenance and fuel expenses quite noticeable so I set a limit for myself 50km and no more than 1 hour one way.
/r/MGTOW203/06/21 01:16 PM
1

Of course they can do it, not like it is illegal. But in that case they shouldn't complain when their own weaknesses exploited and used against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 11:51 AM
1

I have one friend who is way above average and several more or less average. First one didn't have any problems at all - had a lot of short-term partners, a couple of long-term relationships and in the end he is happily married (though it took him a lot of efforts to become above average). Everyone else had it really bad and even though they live in a country where single men are often treated with condescension or even contempt sometimes (like you are not a man if you can't seduce a woman and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:41 PM
1

Lol, I already have a relationship I noticed that but "relationship" doesn't mean "commitment'. Obviously you will run away as soon as something will go wrong with your partner (basically he will lose his value, temporary or permanently) I just wonder if you partner will do the same thing with you. I want an actual human being I find it hard to believe. I met women like you in my life, thing like "empathy" and "compassion" are completely alien to them they know only cold reason and prudence. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 03:12 PM
1

I hope you do not expect any commitment with beliefs like that. As far as I understand relationship for you is a pure business (thought even a entrepreneurs support unprofitable projects sometimes if they see future prospects)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:40 PM
1

I'm sure his mother will arrange a wonderful funeral. You expect him to die before his mother? Now I am really worried about him, you know. I'm not cynical, I'm realistic. Who said that is mutually exclusive things? I just can't treat people as sources of benefits and dispose them when they become useless. Of course I could suppress my moral and just do it but I can't eliminate it so I won't be able to look in the mirror after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:53 PM
33

I would strongly recommend men who think quite deeply about all this stuff come to terms with it. I thought about it a lot 10 years ago even before it become a trend and decided to stay single. Looks like I wasn't wrong after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:24 PM
1

Why would I keep a corpse? I hope he will get a proper funereal at least when time will come. I think all of male worries/fears about women would be assuaged if they had the same way of thinking about women as I do about males Maybe. But unfortunately I failed to become cynical and immoral enough to treat humans like this. Stupid me, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:58 PM
1

Not all men are inhuman, but if I were to make a mistake in who I trust, I would be judged, so it's better for me to be cautious. So you don't see them as humans until proven otherwise? He'll live Of course he will. He is useless dead after all, doesn't he?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:21 PM
1

There's nothing wrong with having high standards and this goes for both men and women. I do believe that main criteria is very simple - with your partner you should be more comfortable than alone. How high is that is another question. I would actually argue that some people (especially men) have standards that are too low. I recently read here that 31% of young men don't have sex. You want this value to become 80%?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:18 PM
1

I would admit to my consumer attitude towards men. Really? And you expect them to be ok with that? If someone who is not indifferent to me don't see me as a human I will call it a disrespect (and that's me being generous) and cut them off. I still found my Billy Beta as you would call him. Poor fellow. But that is his problem not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 11:59 AM
1

I made a better choice - I do not pick at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 11:54 AM
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Sure, probably my wording was incorrect, English in not my first language. By "consumer attitude" I mean seeing other people as a sources of benefits not as human beings. Paying for dates is just a small part of it and not a good example, it also could be a common courtesy after all. Also, I knew a couple of women with similar principles and these acquaintances of mine weren't the most pleasant ones though conversations with them were educational. But I suppose I was very lucky that I avoid thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:52 PM
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Do you truly believe that any of them will admit their consumer attitude towards men if asked bluntly? I mean non-anomously? I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:10 PM
2

Sure thing they are but I am not the one of them if that is what you (or she) mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 09:29 PM
1

Who told you that they stop "meeting" their FWB when they find bf?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:36 PM
2

Yep. That helped me a lot to grow form young naive fool to cynical adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:33 PM
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Well people need to START knowing it Damn lol Can't agree more. Though women who adhere to these principles existed long before FDS even became a thing so I personally had to learn on my own mistakes and that is one of the reasons why I quit dating completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:25 PM
1

Im pretty sure its socially acceptable to see whos paying for what and whats gonna happen. If you know where to expect trouble you could avoid it. But not all people know it. And it is not exactly what I was talking about, I meant that these FDS followers hide their true intentions and I do not tolerate behavior like this. If someone says "can I take you to dinner?" I expect them to pay That is a reasonable expectation and that how it was in my time - the one who invites pays the bill (though it…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:11 PM
1

Could you clarify what you are implying here?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:03 PM
4

Ik FDS is brought up a lot here. I do see that some women on there want their date to pay for the whole dinner or whatever it is, but why should that bother anyone when they're not the one taking them on the date? Because they don't have "FDS" written on their foreheads. FDS is all about trickery, deceit and using of men until they realize they have been used.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 07:51 PM
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I don't think they imply that 80% don't have sex at all. I think that rule means that it is relatively easy to have sex for top 20% and very difficult for the rest 80% but that doesn't mean that these 80% completely quit the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 03:09 PM
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will just make you end up alone. Is it a bad option though? I am not going to argue that majority of men are required to put a lot of efforts into dating (it is probably how it is). But is it worth the result? It is very subjective of course but my answer is no. Just leave dating for these top 20 (10 or 5) percent because for them these price is reasonable. As for me, I had to choose between losing team and quitting the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 03:03 PM
1

My parents are baby boomers and me and my sister are millennials. Both me and my sister are singles while in my parents time it was very uncommon. Feels like even with all these electronic outlets for socialization, people seem lonelier. Because "virtual socialization" doesn't equal "real life socialization". Empathy is very important for real life and it cannot be developed by chatting in smartphone applications.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 02:49 PM
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Do men REALLY need to have access to women and dating to have a more fulfilling life? It is our instinct and no matter how reasonable we are it is quite difficult to suppress it. are groups like MGTOW just a coping mechanism? Pretty much though as far as I know not all MGTOW completely avoid women, they only deny commitment and long-term relationships. I would call it lesser of two evils - for some men (including me) it is easier to cease and desist then get access to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:12 PM
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I'd just like people to stop pretending that 80-90% of men aren't having sex I don't know where did you get it but it is obvious bullshit (31% of young men as it is stated in these articles is still quite a lot though). Majority of men still have sex it is a matter of price they pay for it. I don't think there are old researches about this topic but I could say that at least for my parents it was my easier then for modern young people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:02 PM
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He will most likely come back Pathetic and if he doesn’t you dodge a bullet And what the hell that is supposed to mean? If a man doesn't want to be a lapdog than he is bad? Ok but it is better to be bad then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 12:07 PM
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It is not only about dating life is unfair and unjust pretty much everywhere. And that is why it is important to share our experiences to see how other people deal with it. Knowing other's mistakes and successes may allow you avoid repeating their mistakes and apply their effective strategies in your own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:57 AM
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I can't speak for everyone, only for myself but my own perception based on my own experience. And it was bad. The most interesting thing here is that I gained this experience before online dating and social media in general become popular thus they didn't create problem, they just uncovered it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 02:45 PM
3

NPC just kidding
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 12:16 PM
1

If you are attractive it will be much better for you than offline dating. Or at least much easier. If you are not attractive, well, you are risking to become complete cynic and lose your faith in humanity (if you had anything left of it).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 12:14 PM
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new way to be different than women and very masculine and strong but still do all the new things women also want such as be emotionally available That looks like mutually exclusive things to me. take responsibility for domestic duties, do emotional labor in families, and take care of their appearance. Why man like this will need a woman at all? Men and women supposed to complement each other, not overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 04:39 PM
1

Quite reasonable strategy if you ask me and I saw it is happening in real life. If a woman is out of man's league it is not only a high maintenance but she will also abandon him sooner or later it is only a matter of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 02:59 PM
1

To Each Their Own. Sometimes I doubt and question my choices but I never regret them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 05:02 PM
1

Of course, sometimes pressure needs to be relieved otherwise it won't end well. It could be done in various ways though and I prefer ways which allow me to keep my human weaknesses and flaws in secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 03:12 PM
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Didn't know that I am forbidden to have preferences. Thank you for informing me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 07:25 PM
1

They can't be completely shut off unfortunately. But they can be and should be suppressed whenever situation requires.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 06:21 PM
1

That is pretty much same conclusion I came to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 06:19 PM
1

If you go into dating with the attitude of finding an equal "partner in crime" without necessarily trying to force certain standards upon yourself or potential partners - it's going to be a lot more successful. That is exactly what I tried to do in my time of dating. I needed person interesting to be with, person who is just better then nobody. The only thing I learnt from this endeavors it that this person is me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 06:00 PM
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I'm sorry for your experience. You shouldn't be, really. Lessons are rarely pleasant and considering how useful was this one I don't mind some discomfort. You should be in touch with your emotions, be able to recognize them and their causes I would add her "to control them". I have done a lot of stupid things in my life under the influence of emotions. Not anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:37 PM
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If you’re trying to make a woman FEEL special Problem is, non of us is really special. There are some extraordinary individuals of course but absolute majority of people are pretty normal and easily replaceable. Thus, if you need to make someone feel special when in fact they are not you will have to lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 02:04 PM
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From your OP it looks like "make them feel special" means "flatter them non-stop even if it is blatant lies". Well, I suppose that might work (but I will work much better if a man is attractive) but I finds this tactic very questionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 12:52 PM
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flirtation from an attractive man is exciting flirtation from an attractive man attractive man That is much more important moment. If a man isn't attractive nothing will help him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 01:56 AM
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An actual average woman Well, you know what? Being alone is not that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 01:49 AM
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And since most straight man want to maintain their ability to have relationships, they’re stuck between being their true self, or fitting into the small box of “masculinity” thats expected of them. I don't care about relationships at all and still I don't allow myself to have insecurities, weaknesses, vulnerabilities etc. Why? It is pretty simple - having them could backfire badly not only in personal relationships but in any interactions with people. I can be myself only when I am alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 09:52 PM
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Lucky him. My experience of exposing weaknesses taught me to hide them and that proved to be very useful in my life. Actually, if I meet people who taught me these lessons ever again I will thank them even though I hated them at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 06:14 PM
0

Style was somewhere in the middle. And I suppose last two do not cancel other requirements, do they? If so, then this style requirement is still valid. Don't get me wrong, I do not judge or preach you. It is your life and you can do whatever you want with it and make any requirements to your potential friends and partners you desire. I only expressed my opinion about idea of such list of requirements, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 06:02 PM
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The text is not that big so I read everything. How "coherent style" affect interestingness of a person for example? The most interesting people I know usually are quite sloppy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 05:48 PM
2

It that case it would be reasonable to add "basic understanding of finance and budgeting" it the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 05:43 PM
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All these "standards" look like list of requirements for new a smartphone or a car. I wasn't looking for new toy in a shop, I was looking for a person interesting to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 05:31 PM
1

toxic porn Wait, what? They encroach even on porn now?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 04:28 PM
1

Women I knew didn't like it either. It is a common belief among both men and women that a man should be able to withstand everything life throws at him like a rock, thus, any vulnerabilities and weaknesses are unacceptable. Be like a "stone wall" they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 02:54 PM
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That is not surprising - people with similarities tend to become friends. However, I don't think that these guys represent average Russian well. I grew up in Russia and "showing your vulnerability" for example was an absolute no-go there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 02:38 PM
2

Good for her. That wasn't obvious from her comments I read.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 02:19 PM
2

Of course I think so, I live alone myself after all. Don't get me wrong, I do not recommend her to lower requirements. I am just saying that her search will be difficult and probably fruitless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 01:54 PM
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3 out of 10 is more than enough to generate all this negative feedback and considering that happy people usually enjoy their happiness and don't give any feedback at all it could create illusion that there are only jerks around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 01:49 PM
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I am not talking about complaining here, no one likes people who blame everyone but themselves. I meant that vulnerability is a weakness and usually women don't like weak men. Thus, any vulnerabilities men have should be eliminated or hidden, not exposed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 01:27 PM
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That is a great thing indeed. But do you know what is bad here? Chances of success are quite difficult to evaluate. You may spend years searching and get nothing in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 01:23 PM
2

Russia? I used to live there myself for a long time and I can say that makes your search for partner even more difficult than I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 12:45 PM
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I wouldn't call these requirements unreasonable but I doubt honesty of this post. I never ever met a woman who really want this for example can show their vulnerability Yes, they could say they want it but the moment man does that he lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 12:18 PM
1

Have a good day. After this I don't have any desire to talk with you anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 11:50 AM
1

Well, congratulations are in order. I have already mentioned that I cannot tell bad people from good people to I have to deal with it somehow. My solution is to assume that anyone could be bad person and act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 02:23 AM
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Right now no one but I had some unpleasant situations in the past and I learnt my lessons. Usually people smart enough to avoid open confrontation, they smile in you face and then backstab you when you least expect it. Without knowledge of your weaknesses it is much more difficult for them to do that. Well, that how it happened to me, surely not everyone had experience like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 01:11 AM
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I meant it in more general meaning. If a wrong person finds out about your weak spots they probably will hit them. So it is better to keep them hidden from everyone because a secret known to two is known to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 11:47 PM
1

Assholes or not it doesn't matter. What matters is that showing your weaknesses is a bad idea - there is always someone who will try to exploit them, so in fact I should thank them for teaching me this lesson. Homo homini lupus est.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 11:24 PM
1

Maybe I should but I cannot tell bad people from good people. Bad people tend to hide their true nature after all. And it is not that bad actually, I didn't lose much and learnt how to hide my weaknesses. This skill proved to be quite useful later in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 10:51 PM
0

A lot of women I knew see complaints from men as a sign of weakness and they dislike weak men. They do believe that men should withstand everything life throws at them like a rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 09:43 PM
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>A woman telling a man about her day or her relationship troubles isn’t being an “emotional tampon”, she’s being a friend, hoping that he will reciprocate and share, and ultimately trying to connect with him as another human being. Quite often the moment a man will tell a woman about his problems he will her "Pull yourself together, weakling, are you a man or what?".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 08:19 PM
1

Better safe than sorry - ask your partner for notarized written affirmative consent. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/21 07:14 PM
1

Do whatever you think is right for you just think about possible consequences first. I want a family too even though I abandoned all dating attempts a long time ago. But for me it is a risk I am not willing to take so I just suppress this desires and do things which bring my joy and satisfaction without trying to destroy me.
/r/MGTOW226/05/21 12:07 PM
5

I think it is quite opposite - my sex drive is still a big nuisance even though it is not as crazy as it was during teenage but I didn't notice any significant changes in last 10 years. In fact, I believe it just calmed down when I was 25 and that allowed me to think more or less rationally about my all my dating endeavors and make this decision. And yes I do fap, there are no way to get rid of sex drive, at least no safe way which won't affect anything else. But that is not the only way of cour…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 08:18 PM
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I prefer to decide myself what I should and what I shouldn't do. I am 36 and I gave up dating when I was 25 after several years of failures. My life become significantly better since then and even though sometimes I feel lonely and question this decision in the end I never regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 04:26 PM
1

Yep. If girls don't like you as you are it is better to stay single than becoming someone they want you to be instead of being someone you want to be yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:45 PM
1

Can't agree more but looks like this life hack will be eliminated soon. For example, in Canada purchasing sexual services is a criminal offence since 2014.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 12:42 PM
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You did the right thing. Of course, it worth trying but if it doesn't work out well it is better to cease and desist. After I gave up my career skyrocketed and I tried countless quite enjoyable activates and a couple of them became my hobbies. Dating attempts were so exhausting that I had no desire and no energy to put real efforts into anything else. My only regret is that I didn't understand it sooner but it is still better than never I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 02:27 AM
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I don't mind games as long as I could enjoy them. However, there is time to play games and time to be serious and I tried to be serious with dating. It didn't work out fine and then I tried to play it but it wasn't fun it was frustrating. Why people do that I don't know and I don't care, I left this game to those who can play it a long time ago. After all, there are plenty of things in this life which bring me joy and fulfillment so I don't see any point in wasting my time on dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 10:11 PM
8

Can I change sharks? I can't. Can't blame or hate them? I can but it is pretty much useless. So what do I do? I don't swim in the ocean but if other people want to do that who I am to prohibit them to do it?
/r/MGTOW224/05/21 09:24 PM
2

Well, I saw a lot of people who date very successfully, have fulfilling relationships and happy marriages so definitely problem is in me. Because for me it all looked like a wicked game of hints and cheats where people try to outsmart each other to get what they want. And for me it is just annoying, I am not a freaking diplomat I am a very straightforward and honest person and looks like with that approach it is nearly impossible to win this game.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 08:54 PM
4

I love complexity and challenges I truly do. After all if I didn't I wouldn't go for career in engineering which I enjoy a lot. But complexity should be understandable and even when I fail there is always something to learn from these failures. However, dating is a completely different type of complexity which I would define as "walk over the minefield without metal detector". I can try it and I did several times in the past but there was nothing to learn from it. Why this mine was here? Could i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 02:34 PM
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I tried to date but failed miserably and after I gave up I found out that there are a lot of interesting things in this life which bring me joy and satisfaction instead of stress and misery I felt during my dating attempts. To be honest I think improving yourself to attract a partner is a ridiculous idea. I want to be someone I want to be myself, not the one other people want me to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:34 AM
3

To be honest, I don't see any safe alternative for those who want to engage in serious relationship, have children etc. (though prenup might help I think). My own solution is not for everyone - I do not engage it any relationship at all and I guess it is too extreme for many people thus I can't recommend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 09:33 PM
2

Well, you mentioned it in your post so I decided to start there. As for the laws, I don't think they will be changed and prefer to adapt to them. Marriage is too dangerous? Ok, then I won't marry even if I want to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 09:17 PM
2

Depends on the reasons. For me it looks like people have to be very careful about marriage because price of mistake is very high. And I do believe that it shouldn't be that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 09:12 PM
2

feminism ( tho i dislike it for how its making it worse for men, you can see my last post ) didn't ruin marriages, it ruined divorces. I am not so sure about that. Divorce rate maybe decreased but marriage rate decreased too. So for me it looks like people become more careful and marry only when they sure about their partners. And because of that divorce rate decreased too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 09:02 PM
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You are projecting you own experience on all men (you succeeded and that means everyone can) and that is incorrect. I failed miserably with dating in my time, does that mean that everyone will fail? Of course it doesn't. What really happened is rebalancing and while situation improved for some men it become worse for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 07:49 PM
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If this lifestyle is comfortable for the guy then what is the problem? If not then changes are necessary obviously. However, I want to mention that social skills might be needed in career, I had a lot of problems when I graduated from university with almost zero social skills.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 06:30 PM
4

East Europe is out of question. Believe me, I spend a lot of time there. You will be treated as a ticket out of these poor countries by majority of local women. Another problem is that as soon as you bring them in your country, they will quite soon become same as western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 03:57 PM
2

The problem is that definition of aggression is very subjective. If she likes you then almost any level of aggression is acceptable. If she doesn't like you then even common courtesy could be considered as excessive aggression. I am exaggerating here (probably) but you get the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 01:54 PM
1

I don't care about sex and reproduction. There are three things I care about in my job: my job should be interesting and challenging, it should have some positive effect for human society and it should provide me decent paycheck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 01:12 PM
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