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Men used to go to war to protect women, when women were worth protecting. Now they can do their own flighting, prove their own demands for equality, and for sure carry their own bucket up a hill! Male protection and provision never was provided for free. It always needed reciprocal feminine effort and two-way respect. Feminist women wanted it all: they can have it and all the immense burdens that men have willingly carried until now.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/07/26 11:47 AM
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It is standard international feminism, as taught in schools around the world and put into action by international aid agencies.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/07/26 11:40 AM
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Start attending United Nations aid meetings. You will often encounter this attitude. Why do you think the UN will evacuate women and girls from a danger zone but leave men behind? Why do you think international charities set up refugee camps for women and children but deny men - even their husbands - from entering? This stuff is real and kills thousands, maybe millions, of men every year.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/07/26 11:35 AM
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Janice Fiamengo explain the feminist male gaze - a part of feminist theory since the 1970s, now grown to damaging proportions. https://youtu.be/rGC7JYPWELQ
/r/AntiFeminists12/12/22 12:41 AM
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This guy looked at them weird No, he 'kind of eyed' one of them. Maybe he has poor eyesight, or was reading what the words on her t-shirt say, or was wondering about asking her advice on which chocolates his wife might like... If he looked lustfully, or gazed at her tits, or leered, she is literate enough to say so. But no, he just had the temerity to kinda look at her (she thinks). Feminism did the rest.
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 08:46 AM
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Perhaps but there is nothing innate about being scared of men, who (apart from a few sick individuals) have an inmate desire to protect women from danger. Being irrationally scared of men is a mental sickness brought on by feminism.
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 08:28 AM
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Meanwhile, an old guy at the supermarket, who had looked at a woman on her own, wondering if she needs any help, or even protection, is left scratching his head at just what it was that scared her. Still, she has now driven off with that other woman so he leaves to go home, looking even more carefully at women to make sure that they are safe from whatever it is that is frightening them
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 08:19 AM
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that SOME women do indeed "enjoy" Anything to stop normal women from enjoying being around men. As someone who's never ... "stared" at a woman... Are you sure? I don't think I have but this isn't about what we believe we have done: it's about what a woman feels like. I'm sure I have gazed at a woman, admired her looks or even her outfit, or watched a woman idly (as in 'people watching' - something many women seem to like doing). ANY of this - let alone none of it - could now lead to a criminal a…
/r/MensRights09/12/22 09:36 PM
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I have been out with good looking girls who enjoy a wolf whistle. They have even assumed it is for them when I've been sure it wasn't, and always take it as a (crude) compliment. How someone feels about this kind of thing is very subjective and the feminists have worked hard to convert it in women's minds from a compliment they can enjoy into something that is dangerous and scary. No wonder surveys keep reporting that women's happiness falls every decade
/r/MensRights09/12/22 09:24 PM
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People (men especially, since they are the vast majority of victims of violence) BEING safe and women FEELING safe are two entirely different matters. When someone is safe but doesn't feel safe, they should be going to a psychiatrist, not to the police.
/r/MensRights09/12/22 09:14 PM
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How long does a woman have to stare at a man to be sure he is staring at her? Because have no doubt this is intended to criminalise men and do nothing to stop the street harassment of men and boys by women.
/r/MensRights09/12/22 08:55 PM
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It's so easily provable so long as you are willing to examine ALL the facts, not just half of them and assume the rest from feminist lies.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 11:29 PM
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In a quick poll of one group getting mental health care, the average time for women to get treatment was about 15 months - varied from 4 months up to 30 months. The average time for men was over 3 years, varying from around a year up to 12 years. This feminist claptrap about men always being preferred is just part of their Patriarchy conspiracy Theory. It doesn't match the real world.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/11/22 11:24 PM
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Yeah, try finding a job when you can't get out of bed some days, or can't face meeting people. Try getting interested in a hobby when half your mind is concentrated on killing yourself and the other half is engaged in trying to stop yourself doing so.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/11/22 11:16 PM
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Rubbish. In most countries, as soon as men got universal suffrage, they granted it to women. There are exceptions, such as the USA where there was a lot of campaigning by women against having the vote and suffragettes - a distinctly separate campaign group to the feminists and with little membership overlap - eventually convinced men to grant women free and universal suffrage (something men in that nation don't have). Women around the world have divorced men. What has changed in Western nations …
/r/MensRights25/11/22 02:51 PM
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All that you list are gendered roles reinforced by feminism. If feminism didn't exist, men, children and even most women would be better off.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 01:24 PM
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Those shitty laws are ones promoted and lobbied for by feminist groups. Feminism in the West generally supports Islam. If Islamic countries do need to change, bringing in a female supremacist movement won't help there, any more than it has done good anywhere else.
/r/AntiFeminists25/11/22 01:15 PM
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That some trans supporters are feminists does not mean that feminism has helped trans. That's like saying Russia like Ukrainians because some people in Russia like Ukrainians. It's not feminism that has helped trans.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 01:09 PM
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Where is that? In most countries, the Trans movement, or combined LGBT movement has done the work of helping trans rights. In countries which do not have trans rights (eg Middle East, Russia) I have not noticed that the feminist movement is doing anythng for them: quite the opposite in some places.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 07:07 AM
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Breaking gender norms and freeing people from its claws benefits men too I asked what the OP has to do with men's rights and this snippet of feminist propaganda is the best you can do,? Like many feminists, it is clear that you do not understand what human rights are, not the need for men to be allowed the human rights that are supposed to be theirs already. The only gender norms that men to be freed from are those created by feminism, such as "all men are rapists and that's all they are." Go aw…
/r/MensRights25/11/22 07:02 AM
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What does this post have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights25/11/22 03:43 AM
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Many women over millennia have been the main provider in a family. It was the Women's Liberation Movement - quite distinct from the feminist movement - that ran a very short (in political campaign terms) and highly successful campaign for laws making women's pay and work conditions equal to men's. If you want to prove that feminism has done any good, you will have to do better than simply appreciate your mother's hard work. That's not feminism; if you study feminist teachings, you will read that…
/r/MensRights25/11/22 03:41 AM
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You start off by saying you know you shouldn't go on TwoX, then extrapolate the sick people there to say that society is fucked. Do you not see that you are part of the problem here? Leave sick people alone, unless you are sure you can help them. Do something good with your time: there are serious issues the MRM is tackling that need your help.
/r/MensRights24/11/22 07:52 AM
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Don't accept other people's opinion of you as your reality. With misandrists, it's them that has a problem, not you.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/11/22 08:50 PM
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That's the worst of it. Celebrating and thanking men, even daring to talk about men's issues on just one day of the year, need not detract from women. But it WILL detract from women when men see more women are against them than for them.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/11/22 04:41 AM
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Actually I am pro-choice. I support the rights of people to live their own lives, so long as that does not unduly impact the rights of others.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/11/22 01:36 PM
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But u/SlowTheTemp0 says he even looks at his junk on the metro. Makes me wonder that he's not been arrested for that yet. He must like what he sees, I suppose, and doesn't mind that his superiors - women that is - can look at him as much as they like, while he keeps his head bowed to them.
/r/MensRights20/11/22 05:18 PM
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I've not seen that idea, so let's not feed their violent tendencies too much. As it is, a sizeable number of feminists want to reduce men to about 10% of the population, and have active SCUM cells discussing how to bring it about.
/r/MensRights20/11/22 03:25 PM
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I sometimes wonder where men are supposed to look? In a crowded area, it would look very strange if all the men were paying attention to the paintings, potted plants and ceiling mouldings. That, naturally, would be proof that men are misogynistic because they won't look at women..
/r/MensRights20/11/22 06:04 AM
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Are you sure this is the best use of your time?
/r/EverydayMisandry20/11/22 05:18 AM
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🤣
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/22 01:18 PM
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From your posts on this thread, it seems you have no idea what human rights are, or the ways in which history shows that human rights are important. I think the question you may need is 'what is a human right' rather than asking why men should have them Admittedly I don't think most men and women here understand what human rights are and why they are so important, either, but at least they realise it's a complex issue and they lurk around to learn. Look, 'no question is too stupid to be asked' a…
/r/MensRights19/11/22 03:00 AM
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Whatever made you think that expressing - or even understanding - your emotions is a human right? Did you mean to ask us 'what is a human right' rather than ask why men should have them?
/r/MensRights19/11/22 02:48 AM
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You seemed to be implying that women... No no! The topic is feminists, not women. I am talking here of feminists, and that the long-term objectives of that movement are being implemented with skill and success, undermining society in a way that would horrify those who, for example, fought for us to be free in WW2. Even before what we would describe as women's lib or feminism women were afforded a lot of privileges and means to abuse men under so-called traditionalism. They've always had 'default…
/r/MensRights19/11/22 01:00 AM
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Giving to women is one thing and I agree men are good at that. But feminism has them taking from men, denying men improvements and even harming children; all things that men would not normally permit.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 11:05 PM
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It's called International Men's Day and it's tomorrow, 19 November but it is a lovely gesture and the sort of thing men so rarely get that it is very notable.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 11:30 AM
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There are websites in most countries on International Men's Day. There are groups doing all can. How are you helping them? We need people to take action No We need to take action.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 04:50 AM
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By the time the day is here, it's probably too late to do much. Have a look at the official web site(s) on International Men's Day in your country to see what events are taking place and how to be involved.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 04:45 AM
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Movember is not International Men's Day. Movember lasts all month, is broadly about celebrating masculinity (it began before feminists tacked 'toxic' to the word) and is fun to get involved with. IMD celebrates the achievements and values of men (and boys) and has a range of activities associated with it.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 04:23 AM
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Try it and find out. I'd they reprimand for just reminding (or more likely informing) them, not only would you have a potential legal case against them but you. Would know to find employment with a better business. Don't assume you will be a victim; become an activist.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 04:16 AM
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You didn't mention being reprimanded.
/r/MensRights18/11/22 04:12 AM
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Twice in my time as an MRA I have made deliberate attempt not to be anti-feminist and just focus on the strive to help men. That covered three main campaigns, including one that would directly help children and women as well as men. Both times, on all three issues, I was met with resistance from multiple feminist groups. I am not an anti-feminist by choice. I want to get on with helping men and getting them the human rights that should already be theirs. I am an anti-feminist because feminism op…
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 06:29 PM
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Feminists would never tolerate the impositions and responsibilities imposed on men by most Middle East countries.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 05:02 PM
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The regular violence by feminist groups died down during Covid lockdowns but it flares up somewhere around the world fairly frequently. They rarely seem to suffer from things like this: https://blog.men.we.bs/feminist-violence-around-international-womens-day_feminism/?p=8485
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 04:59 PM
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We really are not waiting for feminists to be violent. They are regularly violent and this occasionally breaks out into organised attacks by several of them. https://blog.men.we.bs/feminist-violence-around-international-womens-day_feminism/?p=8485 Please do not urge feminists to violence. People are being hurt by them as it is.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 04:55 PM
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The MRM is getting places. But you won't find successes in bickering with feminists online.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 04:38 PM
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Just a typical example of the violence spoken of and enacted by feminists. It has never been a peace movement, just one that pretends it wants peace
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 04:34 PM
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To ridiculous demands like that? I learnt not to waste my time on feminists a long time ago
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 04:30 PM
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When you finally recover from feminism, then you'll understand which of us is sick today. Right now, I know your feminism mental condition prevents you understanding just how messed up is your world view.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 04:43 AM
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International Men's Day had been around for years before the feminist UN decided to stamp on the day.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/11/22 04:35 AM
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Lol.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 04:26 AM
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Yep, we agree, feminism is drama. It would even be a comedy if people didn't actually believe in it
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/22 04:24 AM
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Yet the statistics are clear: women abuse children more than men. Check it out in your country.
/r/MensRights16/11/22 03:22 AM
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Or 'male' will do.
/r/MensRights16/11/22 03:18 AM
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I was going to give you a downvote for being pedantic but gave you an upvote for the joke.
/r/MensRights16/11/22 03:16 AM
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There are several YouTube films of that same scenario, too. Very seldom does a man or boy get any help. Women and girls almost always do. I think it's built into us. Even I find the exceptions to when women get attacked with no help to be emotionally shocking, whereas all the men not getting help when attacked is something that I mostly can only acknowledge intellectually (I do have emotional care for men victims of domestic abuse, though. Don't ask me what's different: maybe because I've direct…
/r/AntiFeminists16/11/22 02:24 AM
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I doubt even one ideologue/propagandist had this in mind as a goal when they invented the relevant Feminist "truths". Ten or fifteen years ago, there was a lot more knowledge on this floating around in the MRM / anti-feminism circles. I don't claim it was a goal in itself (though some do: a search on "get women to working" might throw up some stuff). It was and is a goal of feminism to destroy the family and get parents (first fathers, then mothers) away from children. Part of how to do that is …
/r/AntiFeminists16/11/22 02:12 AM
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On the internet in places like Reddit, I agree there is a lot of wasted time on feminism. But not all of us spend our time so fruitlessly. We obviously have to deal with feminists because they oppose every attempt we make to improve the lives of men and children (and women in some ways). But the MRM is having success in many countries and is building internationally by only taking on feminists as they directly oppose us, not otherwise. The bickering on the internet is not a reflection of all the…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/11/22 01:56 AM
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I predict it will go as far as Women who become CEO's then complain that it took their youth and then blame men for that environment. Already happened. I don't have links but I've seen feminist articles of that nature in both Britain and Denmark.
/r/AntiFeminists16/11/22 01:37 AM
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Nowhere. Nowhere in the world, even in those times and places a man was expected to keep his woman in line and was sent to jail for crimes she committed - even then, it was against the law to beat her. But sorry, you asked: When was domestic violence acceptable or encouraged? And the answer is that it is acceptable in many countries. Violence by women against men is at least socially acceptable and in some places like India it is legally acceptable too. In some cultures, such as in USA it is reg…
/r/AntiFeminists16/11/22 01:32 AM
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Yeah, I have heard it all before. Those poor oppressed women with fulfilling lives of freedom from wage slavery, the need to always be thinking about exiting the relationship from a man who loves you - and take his kids away - and the Marxist insistence on the imminent collapse if the most stable and sustainable form of economics. All standard feminist destructionist nonsense. I could write the book but I couldn't be so stupid to believe one word of it.
/r/AntiFeminists16/11/22 01:15 AM
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Two posts, or even many on just one platform, should not be taken as proof of anything Feminism is about male hatred and has normalised it so well that many today don't even see their misandry as notable. But that's proven by things a lot more documented, over many decades, than just a few insta posts.
/r/AntiFeminists15/11/22 07:11 PM
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First get in writing from them a clearer statement of their discrimination. Then take it to a tribunal / ombudsman / whatever your jurisdiction has to ensure equality. At the same time, seek a lawyer who will work a case pro-bono for you. Only by making it expensive for businesses to discriminate on anything other than the best ability for the job can we hope to correct society from this path.
/r/MensRights15/11/22 07:00 PM
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To someone only able to view women as victims and men as oppressors, this makes sense. Leave feminists alone, help men, instead.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/11/22 06:53 PM
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The latter. One of feminism's biggest con tricks has been to get many more women into the workforce. Most of them today say they would rather not work but it's too late: women swallowed the feminist lies about 'having it all' and are now more miserable than ever yet can't get out of being a wage slave.
/r/AntiFeminists15/11/22 04:35 PM
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Feminism is a branch of Marxism, particularly since the 1950s. In Marxism, unpaid labour is slave labour; working in the home, even doing charity work unpaid, is economic abuse. You are only valued and of value when you are what we call today a wage slave. When you realise that the middle-class Marx and his friend the Baron Engels were brought up by nannies in houses cleaned and fed by servants, you can realise how such strange ideas came to be. Growing up, they only saw housework done by people…
/r/AntiFeminists15/11/22 04:27 PM
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I take your point but those of us making the recognition of parental alienation a focus have always been aware that PA affects children, men and women. This makes the feminist resistance highlight something few acknowledge even in the MRM: given the chance to hurt men, any collateral damage to women and children is accepted by feminism. At the levels of policy and social change where it makes a difference, feminism is not about helping women but about harming men and families in the pursuit of a…
/r/MensRights14/11/22 09:02 PM
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Which means it's a recognition that males and females are not equal. So how come men are never allowed advantages because the sexes are unequal, and why does the mantra of equality only apply when it favours women ?
/r/EverydayMisandry14/11/22 08:47 PM
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On the aspect of using therapy as an introduction and consolidation in transference, you might be interested in reading the work done on that regarding feminist women's shelters, often with women who are already abusers. It's not my speciality but the papers I have read are disturbingly fascinating. When considering the abuse of vulnerable people, it's as bad as the churches who don't control kiddie fiddlers, but on a vastly greater scale. People wonder why women are irrationally afraid, or why …
/r/MensRights14/11/22 08:40 PM
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I think the feminist is handing out standard, accurate advice. As a friend once put it, men who are no longer being fucked, get fucked. We all need to be aware that just because we might love a woman, it doesn't mean we can't be turned over and ruined by her.
/r/AntiFeminists13/11/22 07:41 AM
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I agree. Is there any clothing with destroy women on it? I have seen clothing with messages of death to men, and with messages of death to children but never such a thing about women.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/11/22 07:35 AM
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I kept the ratio arbitrarily low, you're right. But if you can't see the way your own thinking is wrong, even when an argument is made in your own words, it is you who needs to try harder. Try harder. Like getting some humanity and empathy for other people, even if they're not like you.
/r/MensRights13/11/22 07:29 AM
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Next time you see it, take a clear, identifying photo or two and report it to the local police as a terrorist. You might get nowhere ( in which case, try the local media) but the more we make these reports and complaints, the more likely that some action will be taken. Edit: I don't care if it is a band name. Would 'destroy Ukrainians' be acceptable, or 'destroy women'? I don't think it is should be and nor is 'destroy men'. It's disturbing, misandric and since many more people have heard of men…
/r/EverydayMisandry13/11/22 07:12 AM
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You are absolutely right. However, feminists are great propagandists and spread their lies, and hate effectively. Of course, the sensible and informed among them know the truth but it does not fit feminist ends to have society gang up against the few bad people (who are both male and female). Rather, let more women be hurt and killed while blaming every man: that meets their ends better.
/r/MensRights13/11/22 02:32 AM
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^ The real answer, easy to miss and easy to mistake as hyperbolic by those yet to put the research time in
/r/MensRights13/11/22 02:19 AM
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Imagine I hand you a bowl of your favorite candy. Then I tell you 30:100 are toxic and will severely injure, bankrupt, kill you or steal your own children from you. How wary would you be about diving in and eating them? That’s what the unpredictable and unreasonable violence (or implied violence) and manipulative abuse from women is like, and the legalising, excusing and tolerating it by other women is what keeps all wise men wary of ALL women. But wait... the most abusive relationships are lesb…
/r/MensRights13/11/22 02:16 AM
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You terrible misogynistic brute! How dare you tell women what they can't have!? If women want it all and both ways around, feminism says they can have it! ;-)
/r/MensRights13/11/22 02:01 AM
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The true potted history of Soviet success: far worse standards and far more deaths than any previous Russian overlord.
/r/MensRights13/11/22 01:45 AM
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When a society turns it's back on facts of nature, it disintegrates. When a society disintegrates into chaos, it is easy for a cabal to take charge and people will welcome the social shackles of communist dictatorship just to get some peace and order in their lives. Such long-term plans were dreamt up almost a century ago and that's what's causing a lot (not all) of our troubles today.
/r/MensRights12/11/22 04:29 PM
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He learnt it, ironically, from a Hungarian Jew who was one of the inspirational thinkers for the Frankfurt School - an early kind of think tank that invented social Marxism, an ideological destructionism that lies in the core of modern feminism.
/r/MensRights12/11/22 04:21 PM
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The biggest divide is between those who eat and those who starve. To a starving person, almost everyone else has huge wealth.
/r/MensRights12/11/22 04:16 PM
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I believe this sub IS the one you talk of : the one where people came to discuss and learn before moving on to more useful and knowledgeable groups. There is a constant stream of people learning, needing to explore their new-found knowledge. Having moderated a public forum in the past I do understand your frustration. But we also must keep the door open to every man and woman who starts to be aware of the need for men's rights, and the toxic resistance to men's rights (and children's rights, and…
/r/MensRights12/11/22 04:11 PM
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I think you will be covered. By the way, take a look into stretching and other options. There's even a Reddit sub on the issue, where you can learn from other men the alternate treatments.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 08:33 PM
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No political party in the UK, except two who are yet to be in power, care anything for men's rights.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 08:30 PM
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This is where the UK government's refusal to acknowledge that there is MGM and there are medically necessary circumcisions comes to bite them. They can't say they are banning MGM because they never admitted to doing it. Now they are saying they will do any medically necessary operations while trying to say they are banning circumcision. I don't think there is a worry for genuine need. It's just a dictionary problem by a government body that has had its head in the sand for far too long.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 08:28 PM
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Most NHS trusts* already don't do MGM, at least not for free. So this news, while welcome, won't make much difference. For those unaware the NHS is not single amorphous unit (it used to be). It is broken into regional trusts - self-governing branches - with a lot of autonomy.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 08:21 PM
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He speaks accurately of modern feminism but his historical accuracy is poor. For one thing, the suffragette movement was distinct from the feminist movement. While there was some cross-over of membership, it is a lie that feminism got women the vote. Getting equal pay and working conditions was an achievement of the Women's Liberation Movement, again distinctly identifiable from the feminist movement. Still, historical inaccuracies aside, he is a role model for others to speak up boldly. Cowardi…
/r/AntiFeminists09/11/22 04:03 PM
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I would be willing to bet that alot of men would just not associate with women anymore. A lot more men, you mean.
/r/MensRights07/11/22 10:02 AM
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Feminist organisations in general resist the idea of prosecuting false accusers of being raped (to say nothing of resisting the idea of women being prosecuted for anything). I think the reasoning is clear: prosecution of false accusers will indirectly lead to a reduction in rape statistics and quite possibly even a reduction in rape. For an organisation dedicated to finding every possible reason to hate men, that is not in their interests.
/r/MensRights07/11/22 09:57 AM
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Lying during trial is punishable in every European country Punishable but not punished, just like the UK until recently.
/r/MensRights07/11/22 09:51 AM
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We should expect nothing more from the United Nations: a self-declared feminist organisation.
/r/AntiFeminists04/11/22 12:29 PM
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Don't blame the courts. They are there to enact the 'justice' that your politicians create in laws. Yell at the politicians and make it clear they will only get your vote if men's equal rights appear in their manifesto.
/r/AntiFeminists03/11/22 03:17 AM
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LOL 😆 Yeah, right, sure: become just the kind of cuckold simp that will make here disrespect you further. Forgive her if you want but for goodness sake only do so after a sincere apology from her and an agreement from her that in future she will talk about issues she has with you before cheating on you. And make that her one and only chance.
/r/AntiFeminists03/11/22 03:12 AM
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I'm not the best to advise on getting a lawyer. I recall one person's advice was along the lines of asking "What do you think of human rights and how men can access them?" If the answer is not immediately positive, move on. Please ask on others in the MRM, though. If you're in the USA, perhaps the NCFM can guide you.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 10:03 PM
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Yeah, that does depend on your definition of communism; another response was that there hasn't been a communist country! Each to their own..
/r/EverydayMisandry02/11/22 09:22 PM
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He was only 18 and admits even now to a level of immaturity. He was subjected to a level of abuse that few of us can really understand.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 09:14 PM
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You don't say which feminists, where, and I can't say I have seen them make this absurd claim often. In general, though, you should assume a feminist is lying - and probably stating things the opposite way around. Rather than come here, why not ask feminists to prove their point? If they ever seem to (which does happen occasionally), makes sure you are thorough in checking their answers because they will often rely on absurdly flawed 'studies'.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 12:08 PM
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the father has a degree and is in the national guard Is he, or is this simply what you've been told, possibly to reduce your wariness? Even people with degrees and in the national guard can be greedy arseholes. You've been duped before; this time, be very thorough in checking what you believe are facts.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 11:53 AM
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That she was dating you at the time doesn't mean the child is yours. There's a reason she didn't tell you, after all. Don't let yourself get involved without a paternity test, but since the child has been legally adopted (are you sure?) see a lawyer first to know if it's even in your interest to have a paternity test.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 11:48 AM
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How do you date a girl, she goes to the hospital and has a kid, and you don’t think it’s yours? Are you really blind to the possibility that she cheated on him and at least suspects the child isn't his?
/r/MensRights02/11/22 11:41 AM
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Women don't pass inequality legislation, men do. Women's voting record on laws for equality is worse than men's and feminists in particular regularly oppose equality measures. In proportion to when women have been leaders of nations, those nations are more at war than when men lead nations, and female leaders are more inclined to start wars. Communist countries kill off more of their own population than any other form of despotism. Sharing everything you have earned sounds great when you are a b…
/r/EverydayMisandry02/11/22 11:11 AM
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I wouldn't say that being a top judge is cushy but it is lucrative and - of most interest to feminists - it reflects power and control, their biggest desire as a minority movement.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 10:03 AM
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Unfortunately they are quite good at it, too. Thank goodness for the men and women of the men's rights movement, without whom men and children would be in an even worse position today.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 10:00 AM
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Nothing much has changed about feminism. It's been about male hatred and female superiority since it arose in counterpoint to egalitarianism in the mid 19th century.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 09:57 AM
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We don't have equality! Take a look at the disparity in longevity and how that is reflected by health care funding, the incarceration rates in your country, the proportion of homeless men, the numbers of young men entering tertiary education, the disparity in your government's willingness to call men into forced combat, the numbers of laws biased against men. I could go on and on. I don't even know which country you are in but I can be sure of one thing: there is no equality for men.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 09:52 AM
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It was never about equality. They say that because everyone wants equality. But who is 'they'? Feminist organisations don't say they are for equality for everyone. Feminist writings make it clear that the goal isn't about equality for everyone. Feminist 'gender studies ' courses make it clear that equality for everyone is of no interest. That just leaves deluded followers of feminism, supporting something which is not what they want it to be.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 09:42 AM
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I thought feminism was about equality. Now you know better. Feminism was never about equality. If it was, there would be no need for a men's rights movement.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 09:33 AM
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The reality is that having a man nearby is far more likely to be an aid against some wacko - male or female - attacking her, than he is likely to be a threat.
/r/MensRights01/11/22 01:25 AM
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We gotta get into the mindframe of a person who doesnt feel safe. Or we gotta show that having a man nearby is not an automatic threat. The reality is that having a man nearby is far more likely to be an aid against some wacko - male or female - attacking her, than he is likely to be a threat.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 08:30 PM
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Yes! This is the feminist message: blame, segregate, and destroy normal social interaction.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 08:25 PM
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Why would you talk to a random stranger minding their own business? Where I come from, we call that being polite. If anything, it is impolite not to greet someone you pass by, man or woman.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 08:24 PM
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The last paragraph gives away the underlying idiocy of this kind of pampering. The author directly equates feeling safer with being safer. The world doesn't work that way. If anything, the more women feel safe from the average, typical man, the more danger she is in from those very few men who might attack her. Any man - who is in far more danger than a woman - knows that not showing that you're scared is half the answer, and being cautious is most of the other half.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 08:21 PM
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Supporting men is what I do most days, and am trying to do by explaining about MGTOW. I don't consider myself a MGTOW because I'm too much in the fight for human rights, which means I must deal with people I'd prefer having nothing to do with. Nevertheless, I talk regularly to people who are MGTOW - by their definition and that of others - and many have girlfriends and a few are married.
/r/MensRights30/10/22 11:40 PM
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You don't know that. It's as daft as saying that if he's going his own way he won't be driving a car, or wouldn't be buying in a supermarket. As long as it is his choice, made free from external pressure and continues in that way, a man is going his own way.
/r/MensRights30/10/22 12:09 PM
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Why not? Many women are attracted to an independent man who cam live his own life. There is nothing about forced celibacy in determining that you will go your own way in life.
/r/MensRights30/10/22 11:57 AM
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If by feminist, you mean you want true gender Equality, then any altruist would want Equality. If you mean the misandrist, bigoted, club of man-hating, female supremacists who erroneously call themselves 'feminist', then IDK Correction for the reality that affects society, rather than the slushy feelings people want to hold about feminism: If by feminist, you mean the the misandrist, bigoted, movement of man-hating, female supremacists who are the real active feminists that follow feminist ideol…
/r/MensRights30/10/22 11:53 AM
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Yes. It's not until you start coming across the anti-feminist women's groups who are struggling to fight for real women's issues, or see the statistics of just how few women say they support feminism, that you realise just how poorly feminism does represent women. But you are right: men care about women (and it's daft we even need to make that point to counteract feminism's propaganda) and feminism is perceived by most - including most in the MRM - as being the way to advocate for women.
/r/MensRights30/10/22 11:44 AM
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I think the headline is wrong. Ignoring male victims of violence is not short sighted. It is a policy of international feminism that has been in place for at least seventy years and has long term objectives. It is deliberate destruction of men and society, nothing short sighted about it at all.
/r/MensRights30/10/22 10:14 AM
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You raise a good point about bias toward data that fits what we already believe. Whether a survey matches our preconceptions or not, it is always worth checking the validity of the survey and being careful not to extrapolate it too widely. On the case of that college survey, the flaws are obvious. In cases such as one of the surveys used by the UN to 'prove' the usefulness of circumcision in preventing AIDS, the flaw takes more reading to discover - and even I might not have bothered were it not…
/r/MensRights30/10/22 09:12 AM
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It seems that you haven't read what your professor is saying. In what you quote, they don't tell you not to use empirical data. You are not being told not to use empirical data. You are being told not to conflate that empirical data with another topic - in this case, a criticism of feminism. What you have done, by the sounds of it, is like prove that road deaths are too high and Donald Trump is an idiot. Both might be true, or neither, but you don't need to mention something that has no direct r…
/r/MensRights29/10/22 03:57 PM
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Feminists know this. They don't want the facts, which is why the OP is wasting his time trying to bring the facts to their notice. There has been a father's/men's rights movement going for over fifty years. While it has had some success and things would be a hell of a lot worse if it were not for those campaigners, if facts were all that was needed, this sub and the current MRM wouldn't be needed. Trying to argue with feminists is a frustrating waste of time, when you aren't even working to impr…
/r/MensRights29/10/22 01:31 PM
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It doesn't matter. What she says is the truth that men face. Almost everywhere. You, me, and the guy next door: this is our reality. During trials on tracking genetic disorders, it has been discovered that one in seven of us will misname our genetic father.
/r/AntiFeminists27/10/22 11:00 PM
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It doesn't need to be in India. This is the realistic situation in most 'developed' countries.
/r/AntiFeminists27/10/22 10:56 PM
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It has been about equality, but it's obviously from the assumption that women are worse off than men on any given issue - so equality means bringing standards for women up to those of men. It's not so simple as that. What if a woman isn't permitted to do one thing, while a man is not permitted to do something else (or, more realistically, he has greater obligation on something). These limitations may be a good generic reflection on what men and women want and how society can be functional despit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/22 08:23 PM
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It is sadly an accurate answer, though. Husbands in most legislative areas are not in a good position when their wife cuckolds them and performs parental fraud.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/10/22 08:10 PM
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Germans are by far the least likely to say they are a feminist in answer to either of the questions where the word “feminist” was used... The German language itself is very technical compared to English. In German, it is much more obvious that feminism cannot be about social equality for all. It is rather less obvious about what is meant by equality but most would likely presume to include the concept of equality before the law, which few people in English-speaking countries think of unless it i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/22 08:04 PM
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Feminism has never been about equality for men. Most of feminist dogma requires a belief that such a thing is totally unnecessary. Feminism also requires a belief in Patriarchy Theory, the concept that men conspire to subjugate women. Why would anyone who believes in that want to do anything for their oppressors? Feminist organisations do not claim to support male equality, feminist activists often act directly against men's rights (even when doing so harms women, such as with parental alienatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/22 07:46 PM
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Hopefully it is just someone who has broken up recently, possibly having been cheated upon. It is common for both men and women to go through a phase of hating all the opposite sex when that happens and most people get over it fairly quickly. If she encounters feminists, they are likely to fuel the misandry and make the woman's life even worse by doing so.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/10/22 12:31 AM
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It would be helpful to know who 'we' is and in which country or countries you are operating.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/10/22 08:52 PM
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Are they just making up hypothetical scenarios to be upset by now? Feminism : a solution looking for problems that don't exist.
/r/AntiFeminists24/10/22 08:26 AM
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As Hungary currently does, offering massive incentive to women at men's expense.
/r/AntiFeminists24/10/22 08:20 AM
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I don't have easy links for you, no. Like everyone, I don't store links to every piece of knowledge I learn. A search on the internet should turn up studies, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/22 08:07 AM
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Your world view is far too twisted by your feminism for a rational conversation. Goodbye.
/r/MensRights24/10/22 08:04 AM
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Your misunderstanding and confusion comes directly from not having pressed for men's, children's and women's issues as I have. Had you done so, you would be aware that the effect of feminism is something quite different to what you would like it to be. Had you studied feminism from not only within but also from outside feminism, as I have, you would be much more aware that the kind of thing you call radical feminism is what feminism actually is. I don't judge a movement by what moderates who sup…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 01:28 AM
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Generally, it is pointless to try to change a feminist's mind away from female victimhood. Someone merely confused over what feminism is and believes in equality: sure have at it if that's your thing. Your time will be more productive if you do positive things on behalf of men or boys, helping make a real difference. You will meet feminist resistance but ignoring feminists as much as possible is the best way to advance men's rights.
/r/MensRights23/10/22 10:36 PM
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Talk to a lawyer. Depending on your country, your employer could be breaking the law and you might find a lawyer willing to take the case on pro-bono. Even if you have to pay for it, a letter from a legal firm to the CEO (or whomever they say is appropriate in your country) might well be enough to kick HR up the backside into behaving properly. Yes, it might harm your promotion prospects (but you'd be surprised how often it has the opposite effect) but if it does, it's not an outfit to care abou…
/r/MensRights23/10/22 10:08 PM
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You are talking about what you would like feminism to be, not what it is. Feminism does not strive for egalitarianism. Feminism arose as a counterpoint to egalitarianism (they both became a 'thing' in mid-19th century) and feminist organisations today fight against many egalitarian moves, such as equal retirement ages, recognition of parental alienation, and complete freedom to chose one's work.
/r/MensRights23/10/22 09:58 PM
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Is it just the practicalities that confound you? If a man always fakes an orgasm while inside the woman, and she is naive (or wet) enough to not know, it could be possible. If he always wears a condom and disposes of it without her seeing that it contains nothing.. I don't really know but it does happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/22 09:49 PM
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Guys cannot really fake orgasms, (unless they usually have ejaculation-less orgasms) that's a bit of a weird comment at the end. Men do fake orgasms. There was a case a year or so ago where a woman's reason for divorce was because she learned that her husband of a few years always faked an orgasm. Men with temporary medical issues also do this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/22 05:55 PM
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In a democracy, the proportion of politicians is a separate matter to the proportion of CEOs. Politicians are elected. Most of the electorate are women. Therefore, it is women who mostly decide on our political representatives. Several studies in different countries have shown that women will tend to vote for a man rather than a woman, while men don't show a significant bias. So while a CEO is generally hired to set e the business based on perceived competence, a politician is generally appointe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/22 05:42 PM
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Nobody - on misandry or on Covid vaccinations - have ever said "all the experts are lying to you'. They simply point out that there are many other experts with a different opinion. As someone who was involved in the MRM in the days when 'misandry' wasn't in most spelling dictionaries, I am at least as good an expert on the topic as a female feminist who has never experienced, studied not empathized with men being hated just for being men. Yet I am banned from editing the topic on Wikipedia becau…
/r/MensRights23/10/22 01:18 AM
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The man is not in a "horribly helpless situation." Sure, it's tragic, and would be regardless of whether his wife lives 1 year or 4. But men are perfectly capable of raising children on their own. Many have done so and raised great kids. His situation is that he has a child currently and another coming. He will be able to be a father to them and so long as he doesn't see himself as some kind of perpetual victim, will be able to have a happy family.
/r/MensRights22/10/22 01:32 AM
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Sadly, too often true. But it's little good showing us here. We need to educate men and even boys - before they fall for the idea that being in love with a woman is a reason to enter this cycle of masculine destruction.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/10/22 10:54 AM
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What the legacy media mostly exposes you to is trafficking for sex work. In this minor portion of the problem of modern slavery, women are the majority of victims. As you rightly say though, in the rush to paint women as constant victims, even professional sex workers who are completely free are sometimes included in the data for trafficking. Like including unwanted approaches in their definition of rape, this kind of intersectional politics harms the genuine efforts made by those working to cur…
/r/MensRights20/10/22 10:47 AM
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I'll correct thier spiel: "It's a fun new game that mimics the real world where women have so many advantages."
/r/MensRights19/10/22 11:50 PM
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Most humans trafficked are sold for hard labour, particularly agricultural work. Whenever you want someone for hard manual work, you're likely to be looking for a man. Then there's the aspect that a lot of trafficking starts in war-torn countries; places where international effort is made to save women but men have to look for other ways to escape. Most trafficking for sex work is women, which may be where your 30% figure comes from, but that is a small portion of the modern slavery trade.
/r/MensRights19/10/22 04:58 PM
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The UN is a feminist organisation. Don't expect too much from them.
/r/MensRights19/10/22 04:49 PM
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What a movement can politically accomplish in a democracy will depend upon public perception of the issues, which get tied up with the perception of the movement.
/r/MensRights19/10/22 04:32 PM
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A good point. An 'obvious' cause combined with a lot of noise can work regardless of public attitude. But did the U.S. civil rights movement (I assume that's the one you mean) really achieve anything before it became 'respectable' with the likes of King?
/r/MensRights19/10/22 04:29 PM
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I am often hurt by how few people who recognise the issues men face are willing to become even occasional MRAs and do something to help. A forum like this will naturally attract a lot of grumblers, yet few here seem willing to even do basic things like writing to their political representatives, or even sign an online petition!
/r/MensRights19/10/22 04:24 PM
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Indeed. The fact the women are the majority of initiators of trafficking is well known. The big news here is that someone in the UN has gone against the feminist narrative and published the fact.
/r/MensRights19/10/22 08:05 AM
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Since most trafficking victims are not for sex, and most trafficking victims are male (children as well as adults), this is not a representative sample. However, the fact that most people starting off the trafficking trade are women is well known by those human rights activists working in this area. (Most people involved in the physical transportation, like any transport, are men.)
/r/MensRights19/10/22 08:02 AM
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Women have a natural advantage in luring in their victims, as a female will trust another female. Men are also generally inclined to trust a woman more than a man on a one-to-one basis. That's important since most trafficking victims are male.
/r/MensRights19/10/22 07:55 AM
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It has been known for decades that most human trafficking is begun by women. That a feminist organisation like the UN is admitting it is the worthy news here.
/r/MensRights19/10/22 07:49 AM
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I will engage with you when you have studied feminism enough to know it for what it is. This isn't the medium to teach such a vast subject and I have neither time nor patience to do so here.
/r/MensRights19/10/22 01:51 AM
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Im just going by what the word means If that's the case, why are you staying some over-simplified definition and ignoring all that the word means? A word has meaning given to it by those using it. Influential people and organisations that call themselves feminist and define what feminism is by their words and deeds are far worse than simple female chauvinists.
/r/MensRights19/10/22 01:47 AM
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I've not read much Dworkin but I think you will find that she is one of the feminists who has espoused violence against men. She is hardly a nobody in feminism, as her books are used to teach in universities. The "kill all men" mantra started with a feminist and is propagated by feminists. That's certainly an endorsement for female violence against men. Which feminist was it came up with the concept of reducing males to 10% of the population? That certainly leans into male disposability and viol…
/r/MensRights18/10/22 08:12 AM
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Foolish followers not understanding the teachings and activities of that which they support.
/r/MensRights18/10/22 07:53 AM
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What is unreasonable about a feminist woman hating those she believes are her oppressors? Hating men is entirely consistent with feminist beliefs, as espoused in books and taught in universities.
/r/MensRights18/10/22 07:50 AM
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Feminism always was a negative for men. If you read up on the 19th century meetings, you will see that it was formed around the basis of being anti-male. A core tenet of feminism is belief in Patriarchy Theory: to simplify it, the belief in a global and consistent conspiracy of men to subjugate and oppress all women. It is reasonable to hate ones oppressors. A person calling themselves a feminist who does not hate men is probably not really a feminist. They probably believe in the equality of th…
/r/MensRights18/10/22 07:45 AM
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Unfortunately, attempts to get men shelters is met with feminist resistance. That doesn't mean it's not possible but does make it more difficult, particularly as there is barely a country in the world whose government will use taxpayer money to support the venture (even though they heavily do so for the feminist DV industry, well over what any non-partisan organisation would need to charge to run such services). The idea that a 15 year old, already struggling to deal with feminism in his own hom…
/r/MensRights18/10/22 07:36 AM
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I find it hard to believe that you really are a feminist, rather than someone confused over what feminism is. Perhaps you believe in egalitarianism, or equality of opportunity regardless of sex? A core tenet of feminism is belief in Patriarchy Theory: to simplify it, the belief in a global and consistent conspiracy of men to subjugate and oppress all women. If you believe that men want to oppress you (against all evidence but feminism never did care about facts) then why would you support the ri…
/r/MensRights18/10/22 07:26 AM
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I won't show you. Why should I bother when I fight them every month? If you campaign for men's issues, you will find them. If you won't fight for men's humanity, I won't waste my time on you.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 11:57 PM
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If you are reluctant to use the tools at your fingertips to discover what is common knowledge, it makes me think you are being too disingenuous to talk with. Goodbye.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 11:53 PM
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You don't know that there are organised feminist groups? Look them up yourself according to your desire to learn about just those in your country, the international ones, or ones concentrating on specific issues. A simple search engine query will start to reveal them.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 12:54 PM
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I have given one example in my main reply to you. DM me if you need more explanation.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 11:56 AM
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As a general rule, don't argue with people if you want to change their minds and attitudes. Argument entrenches positions, not changes them. Facts alone are never enough. Don't rely on facts alone to make a difference. We all believe things that are counter-factual and simply trying to expose us to alternate data is not enough. People never (if they are mentally healthy) change their minds from one belief straight over to an opposite belief. We must take things a step at a time. This requires lo…
/r/MensRights17/10/22 11:51 AM
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It is a direct reflection of the way organised feminism behaves and the propaganda spread in feminist literature. If you don't like it, stop being a feminist and instead help the many groups that try to improve conditions for children, men and women - groups opposed by feminist organisations.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 11:32 AM
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When I was in "family" court and asking for shared custody of my kids after my wife cheated on us, the judge laughed at me. This was 20 years ago but it is a moment of my life I can never forget.
/r/AntiFeminists17/10/22 11:22 AM
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If you want an explanation of them all, you need to be prepared to put in effort, which your tone suggests you aren't willing to do. Here is a simple list from one country. It certainly is not comprehensive, even for that country, and not every man cares about every issue, but it's a starting point for those truly interested. Abortion Foetal alcohol syndrome Genital mutilation Fatherlessness, restoring strong families Education Employment Access to children after family breakdowns Domestic viole…
/r/AntiFeminists16/10/22 12:52 AM
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The MRM in general wants equality before the law on all things. Either we are a society that believes in equality, in which case equality should be implemented equally, - or - we believe that (after decades of experimenting with sex equality) the sexes are different in which case we need to re-examine everything from equal suffrage and equal pay to pension age and the rights of spouses.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/22 01:18 PM
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All parties will continue to ignore most men's issues until enough of the electorate make it clear that it is an issue over which they will lose votes. This starts with us all asking electoral candidates what they propose doing for men & boys. Organised parts of the MRM ask the parties. There also needs to be an upwards pressure from party members, particularly from candidates, to have policies to help men. We can help create that. We have to forget about left/right, blue/red/green/whatever, and…
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/22 09:05 AM
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I love the mantra that "kill all men doesn't mean kill all men". Now if only the general public could get this into their heads: when a feminist says something, anything, you should not treat their statement with any respect because they may not mean what they say.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/10/22 07:47 AM
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Nah, it can't be that. Everything has to be about women and we all know that The Patriarchy conspiracy theory is about men hating women. (See you at the next Conspiracy Meeting to discuss how we can subjugate women further /s.)
/r/AntiFeminists14/10/22 11:04 PM
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It's not really about gays or trans as far as feminism/wokeism is concerned. It's simply about intersectional politics and driving society towards an intersectional view of the world. When you can create "in" and "out" groups and are able to have these defined at will, you have massive power and control, which is their dream
/r/MensRights14/10/22 10:58 PM
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I think it foolish to rely on that remaining the case for the next 18 years. Men's rights are not so secure that "the best interests of the child" (aka it's what the mother wants) won't override the veil of secrecy.
/r/MensRights14/10/22 08:57 AM
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Details matter in past cases. Details do not matter much in guessing what might happen in the future. That's just a gamble, and so far the Men's Rights Movement has only slowed the disintegration of men's rights, not stopped it.
/r/MensRights14/10/22 08:54 AM
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If I donate to a sperm bank is there a chance I could get sued for child support? YES! The bank paying you a pittance for your sperm will tell you about the secrecy involved, etc. but at least one court in the world has already determined that if a mother wants, she can pierce through that. There is also the chance of DNA tracing: something that has been tried once in court and only failed because the DNA match wasn't exact enough. Do not rely on any contract: that can be overridden by a future …
/r/MensRights14/10/22 08:47 AM
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At one time "male chauvinist pig" was the feminist insult, much like calling men and incel today but more widely applied. Feminism changed what chauvinism means but its traditional meaning is to have a preference, possibly an unreasonable preference, for a group or thing you belong to.
/r/AntiFeminists13/10/22 11:55 PM
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So often when feminists complain, you can realise they are looking in a mirror and seeing the world only as thier twisted beliefs lead them to imagine everyone else is. Which is to say, they think others are just as bad as they are.
/r/AntiFeminists13/10/22 11:37 PM
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Of course they are! Women have to support these weak men who can't be bothered to do anything but due, then women have to deal with all the troubles of being a widow or bereaved girlfriend. Men should help themselves more, cease the whining and start being more reliable for women. /s
/r/MensRights13/10/22 01:01 PM
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Everyone knows male slaves were oppressed. Literally no one thinks black males were never oppressed. It's like everyone knows the Women's Liberation Movement campaigned for equal pay rights. Yes, they sort-of do, if you mention that very successful and short-lived movement first. Yet if you were to talk to people out of context, they will tell you the feminist lie: that it was feminism - a much older and separate movement with established organisation - that got women equal pay. So it is with th…
/r/MensRights12/10/22 07:28 AM
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And if you do let him pay, tell him that next time you'll pay the bill
/r/AntiFeminists11/10/22 11:38 PM
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...This inherently stands in the way of societal integration which should be the goal of these rights movements... Many of the people heading these/this movement are, like feminists, cultural Marxists. Thier purpose is not social Improvement, and certainly not cohesion. The want to break society down so that we will be glad to have a communist dictator take charge and run things for us. As soon as that happens, of course, the rights of minorities go out the window with most other rights and civi…
/r/MensRights11/10/22 04:33 PM
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But now, big government gives her protection and provision for free, and has replaced the man that she would have taken. And government is able to be a far worse tyrant than the worst of husbands ever were.
/r/MensRights11/10/22 08:45 AM
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"It is ludicrous to try and ignore the causal chain. Feminism announces in the 1970s that its goal is ending the relations between the sexes; feminists spend five decades disseminating to women and girls misrepresentations of data to drive them to actions that generate feminism’s declared goal..." So often, even those in the MRM don't realise that feminism's ultimate goal is not to favour women but is to destroy democratic society. The article is long but worth reading.
/r/MensRights11/10/22 08:43 AM
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Someone took $3688 from you that they should not have done. That is theft. That the people who stole from you by garnishing wages they shouldn't have then gave the money to someone else is almost irrelevant - that's up to them to recover if they want and can. Take the people who stole from you to court. If it really is that simple, you should have no trouble finding a lawyer to take that on pro-bono. Don't worry that it is a state agency - people win against them all the time.
/r/MensRights10/10/22 10:09 PM
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Most people, including probably you reading this as well as me, will take advantage of what society offers. Pay more tax because you think the government could do with it? Not park for free where you can because someone poorer might want to park there? Not take advantage of the cheap offer at the supermarket? We all take what is on offer. So don't feel too bad for women taking the advantages they are offered even if they don't think such things should be on offer, or not offered only to women. W…
/r/MensRights10/10/22 12:04 AM
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It depends on just what you are looking for. Particularly for the UK, one of the best factual ones is run by the author of The Empathy Gap - http://empathygap.uk I run a blog which could do with another author or two to contribute (I lost my main partner on it to Covid). It may not be what you are looking for but it is multi-national and international. DM me if I interested.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/22 11:25 PM
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Possibly, someone suggested to Apple to add it. Do the research to find out the individual concerned who maintains that. Then write to them and suggest they put on IMD. If you want help writing to Apple, send me a DM and I'll lend a hand.
/r/MensRights08/10/22 08:45 PM
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I'm sorry for you. I had mistaken you for someone able to examine your emotional thoughts and the logic of your feelings. Sorry to have disturbed you, snowflake.
/r/AntiFeminists07/10/22 09:20 AM
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Do you see men in high numbers actually start pushing back against feminism? Is that an excuse to blame all men for feminism?
/r/AntiFeminists07/10/22 09:15 AM
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I'd expect [MGTOW] would look down on incels big time for being absolutely stuck in the desire of having relationships with women, yes? That's anathema of going your own way, isn't it? Many MGTOW have a woman. Some are even married. If that's what they want and are sure they aren't just folding to social pressure, that fits. I think anyone who looks down at somebody for anything that is involuntary - whether it's a disease, a body feature, or being without sex - is scum. Not all incels are "stuc…
/r/MensRights07/10/22 08:38 AM
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If you talk with your mother about this, you could thank her for helping you understand what people are talking about when they use the phrase "toxic femininity".
/r/MensRights06/10/22 11:51 PM
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Facts aren't what sway people. It is necessary to engage their emotions. The facts are just back-up.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 11:43 PM
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During the Covid lockdowns, it became common to talk about mental health. Just because lockdowns have been abandoned, society should not be ignoring issues of mental health.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 11:41 PM
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I agree, he shouldn't have to. But you stated that he does not have to and in that, you are wildly wrong .
/r/MensRights06/10/22 11:15 PM
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Yes, women have that amazing ability. Feminism has devalued this, and therefore women, by pushing for women to have the extra privilege of killing off a child to suit their own convenience.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 06:42 PM
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I don't understand why you are addressing you comment to me, or why you are quoting something that wasn't in the post you are replying to. Perhaps you are confused over what my point was, or meant to respond to someone else?
/r/AntiFeminists06/10/22 06:38 PM
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What?!? Which planet are you on?
/r/MensRights06/10/22 06:34 PM
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Good luck with getting feminists to admit wrongdoing! People generally don't like to do that and feminism definitely discourages introspection
/r/AntiFeminists06/10/22 06:33 PM
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But please, show me where the rewritten history is. A couple of the clearest: Who got women the vote? Many people, asked out of context, would say it was suffragettes. Putting aside the reasons they are wrong, the suffragettes were different than the feminists; the two movements had distinct organisations and bodies. Yet feminists claim that it was feminism that gave (not merely campaigned for) the vote - a lie. Who got women equal pay? Many people, asked out of context, would say it was the Wom…
/r/MensRights06/10/22 10:50 AM
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Everyone can observe the obvious. That doesn't take feminism. With the less obvious, feminists are unable to observe even the clearest of things, such as there being no conspiracy of males to oppress women and advantage men.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 10:40 AM
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An unborn child is IN the woman's body. It is not her body. I'm pro-choice. I support the choice of the unborn person to live.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 10:36 AM
0

Most feminists are women. Do you still not understand the danger in a man hitting a woman, even in self defence?
/r/AntiFeminists06/10/22 09:38 AM
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I think most understood that when I say I wanna fight these women I’m mean mutual combat. Not something that occured to me. I'm sure you understand why.
/r/AntiFeminists06/10/22 09:29 AM
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There is no proof behind this one. A few years ago, there was a list of the minimum age for boys in each shelter; maybe you could search and find it. Most shelters run by the feminist DV industry have 12 as the cut-off age for a boy child. 8 is ridiculously young.
/r/AntiFeminists06/10/22 09:19 AM
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We would be wrong to equate feminists with women. There may be reason not to go to the aid of an unknown woman, but the direct action of feminists on an unconnected matter isn't it.
/r/AntiFeminists06/10/22 09:16 AM
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You don't have to wait until you have a son to fight against feminism. You may have male relatives, you want a male partner. Fight for them today. Fight for your future sons, who need to enter school without having the bias against them. It's a long, hard fight and won't help your sons if you wait until they are born. Thanks for your support.
/r/AntiFeminists06/10/22 09:13 AM
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Discuss, sure, but not argue. By the time you have a feminist throwing insults like "fragile masculinity" at you, it's time to give up. Also there is a big difference between those who think they are feminist (because, for example, they believe in egalitarianism) and the real feminist who believes in nonsense like Patriarchy Theory and is misandric. Telling the two apart is not always possible without some discussion, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/22 09:06 AM
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most of the time they will use a mental gymnastic routine Too easy. "Feminists do all they can but The Patriarchy...toxic masculinity...men are their own enemy..."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/22 08:55 AM
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That's all very well if you are arguing that men and women are not equal but in a society that insists women and men are equal, why should women not be treated equally in all respects?
/r/MensRights05/10/22 04:01 PM
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There's no point to continue. You won't change their mind. Arguing with a feminist is one of the least productive uses of time. You are far better off disengaging and putting time in to positively help men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/22 03:56 PM
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feminism has fought for me as a man to be able to... I have a problem with that part of your statement. I can see that feminism has fought - and continues to fight - against the interests of men & children. I don't see that it ever fought for men at all, in any way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/22 03:48 PM
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I can't tell you how many female friends and coworkers wished they could stay home while their kids were 0-5 but just couldn't swing living on one income. That's back to the 1950s, when living standards meant many households could afford to live on the man's pay alone. Then modern feminism came in and women don't like the result.
/r/AntiFeminists04/10/22 10:35 AM
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About 18 years, one could say. Yet some new mothers prefer to be back at work after just a month.
/r/AntiFeminists04/10/22 10:27 AM
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Now that much of academia itself, along with major bodies like the United Nations, is feminist genuine peer review seems very rare, particularly in the (anti-)social sciences. Entire global policies at the WHO, for example, that affect every nation are founded on this kind of flawed 'study'.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 09:43 AM
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This kind of feminist study is nothing new. I'm not sure when feminists learnt the trick but in a way, I admire the simplicity of corrupting society. It basically works like this: * Come up with a concept of disadvantage or discrimination or way to express misandry; * State clearly that this appears to be a problem but research is needed to be sure; * Get a grant to research into the issue (always get paid for doing your dirty work); * Write the conclusion; * Work out how to do the research so t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 03:00 AM
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That's men's natural protective instinct. An instinct that is being socially quashed as many men are now afraid to approach a woman, even if she needs help.
/r/MensRights03/10/22 11:24 PM
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I mean a bullet really hurts who ever it hits the same. No, no! Women always have it worse! Bullets know this and deliberately do more damage when striking women!
/r/MensRights03/10/22 11:23 AM
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Most women in the forces will never be near combat. Unfortunately, women in the forces tends to mean more women in the very many supporting roles, which means more men to put in danger on the front line. Ukraine, as an example, has about 900,000 armed forces personnel. 50,000 of those are women, of whom around 10,000 might find themselves on the front line (mostly medics, catering and delivery).
/r/MensRights03/10/22 11:21 AM
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It is not sexist to know that people brought in because of quota (whether that favours women, black people or little green humanoids from Mars) are less competent then those who had to compete with everyone else. So anyone the quota might apply to is going to be, on average, less competent. It's much more to do with statistics and mathematics than anything. The sexism (or racism or xenoism) is in the quota, not in understanding the implications of the quota. If the only reason I'm appointed as t…
/r/MensRights02/10/22 01:35 PM
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Do you think men should have quotas in college or should we continue to have more and more women and less men in higher education? We should remove the favouritism for girls and women that is well documented throughout the educational system. Until that is done, I might personally be in favour of giving boosts to some men but it's never really the right solution.
/r/MensRights02/10/22 12:55 PM
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So you assume women lack the skills and experience to get any job that has a hiring quota? Because that's seems sexist to me. Likely because it obviously is. It is the quota that is sexist. If people could get the job based on their merits, there would be no quota. The quota is sexist because it effectively says that women can't compete on a level field with men, so need to be forced in just because of their sex, even over more competent people. They MIGHT still be more competent but as soon as …
/r/MensRights02/10/22 12:52 PM
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Where there are quotas, obviously some people having special treatment still manage to slip in. But how can anyone know for sure, on an unequal platform? Maybe when women were blocked from entering a profession (if that ever did happen) all the men were better able than the women, so by your logic it wasn't a bad thing, right?
/r/MensRights02/10/22 12:44 PM
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it is a requirement in the highest positions in my country. Of course, feminists don't care about equality in positions like sewage workers, rubbish collectors, street cleaners. Feminism is all about grabbing power and control, so they only want the top influence and finance positions.
/r/MensRights02/10/22 12:39 PM
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Quotas also discriminate against women who have worked their way up just like everyone else, pre-quota. With those who don't know they worked their way up, they are looked at with the same suspicion and distaste as the quota fillers. Quotas have been admitted by the ILO to not echo down an organisation. The only people quotas help is the women being unfairly promoted over more competent people.
/r/MensRights02/10/22 12:33 PM
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Since I'm talking cross-jurisdictionally, I couldn't say they had none. In most European nations, they had little responsibility. That's one reason why banks wouldn't loan to women, for example - because the woman wasn't the person they would be chasing if the loan payments defaulted. It's also why prisons were mostly full of men: the men were imprisoned for many social crimes, even if committed by his wife or other women he was responsible for. Much the same exists today in many Middle East cou…
/r/MensRights02/10/22 10:46 AM
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Even more important, talk with all the electoral candidates and ask them "what would you do to help the rights of men and boys?" and make it clear this is the only matter that will decide your vote. Candidates need to realise that men's rights are an important issue if they want to be elected.
/r/MensRights02/10/22 10:39 AM
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Set on your mind now that whatever you learn, you will not be surprised or shocked by it. Not understanding is fine. You can explain that you don't understand and ask for more detail or for his perspective. However, that's very different than "I don't know what you are going on about, mate!" Also, be very sure in your own mind that it is a conversation between the two of you that will never be discussed with anyone else. This will convey in your attitude and helps to not be upset or worried by a…
/r/MensRights02/10/22 03:53 AM
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Law around surrogacy are more modern and usually distinct from law regarding child custody and divorce. I don't know much about them internationally other than that but by default you should not expect anything like equality in this area of law.
/r/MensRights02/10/22 02:54 AM
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No, of course not. What do you think you live in - a society of equality?
/r/MensRights02/10/22 01:50 AM
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Why would feminists complain? Ultimately it hastens the destruction of society and feminism will always attack men, even if it hurts women.
/r/MensRights02/10/22 01:45 AM
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Agreed. No balance, often no options for how I really wanted to respond, and no way to infer anything from the responses other than "it was a poor survey".
/r/AntiFeminists02/10/22 12:12 AM
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If the voices were male by default, that would also be wrong - perhaps be an Invasion of masculinity into the home or something. First world problems..
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/22 11:59 PM
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Yawn. Your comments have already proven that they aren't worth my time. Go talk to a mirror and see if you can learn anything. If not, at least the rest of us can get on in peace from your nitpicking nagging.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 11:55 PM
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...feminist...manipulate... Tautology. They do it even when they don't realise.
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/22 11:39 PM
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Look up your country's laws on equal pay. Laws don't mean that people won't break the law but employers know that it is far too expensive in time, legal fees, recompense, and punitive damages to risk breaking this one. Most successful claims under equal pay legislation are on inadvertent things, such as company takeovers where pay isn't sorted out yet, or matters where an employer thinks the jobs are different (e.g. receptionist and accounts clerk) but a tribunal/court decides the jobs are effec…
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/22 11:37 PM
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Law that makes the husband automatically the father is widespread. It started back in the 14th(?) century from a papal (autocorrect wants that to be PayPal!) decree. The rational back then centered around the concept that a husband was responsible for all of a wife's behaviour (look up coverture as an example). In days when nobody could know for sure who's baby a woman gave birth to, it was socially cohesive to dump the problem on the husband, leaving him to love/control his wife well enough (ma…
/r/MensRights01/10/22 11:13 PM
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I hear you. Sometimes, the world can seem really shitty. Year after year of struggle - all while others do not suffer the same systemic disadvantages. Sometimes, I have to stop my work for men, just because the constant resistance to men's humanity and the terrible objectives I uncover get to me too much. If that's where you're at, I suggest taking a little break to do some project you've been putting off; come back to the fight when the depression has lifted. There are good things about the wor…
/r/MensRights01/10/22 10:49 PM
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Petty infighting like that solves nothing. Yet that is what you are indulging in, as a reaction to me wanting to make the MRM more effective and more positive. Such a negative and condescending attitude as you display needs taking to a mirror. But since you declare yourself or an ally of other MRAs, I'll just let you stew in your feminist juices until you recover from your snowflake attack.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 10:10 PM
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I thought of it but didn't put it on the list because conscription is likely to happen during war time. When at war, a government will usually be willing to trample over all kinds of human rights, so equalities legislation isn't likely to make a difference any more than equalities declarations in constitutions does currently. There are cases of enforced service, such as Switzerland's compulsory military service only for males, but I wanted to only list things applicable to most countries.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 10:04 PM
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Bruh it's pretty clear they meant "no one" as in "it's not socially acceptable to care about men's issues' It's pretty clear that isn't pretty clear to everyone. Phrases like "nobody cares" are important: not only does the literal meaning of it sink in to people, it's what is already going around in most suicidal men's heads. It is important that we say what we mean. As for attacking an ally, do you really think that I'm attacking? If so, isn't that what you have done, far more personally and di…
/r/MensRights01/10/22 05:19 PM
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I have found that attempting to to get people to address all men's issues, or trying to get too many people to address a single issue, is difficult. There is a resistance to attempting to to deal with too many issues at one time and if you can empathize with a politician you can see why: there are thousands of issues and they cannot possibly actively care about them all. Targeting a very specific matter and finding those in power who care about it is generally the best approach. A generic politi…
/r/MensRights01/10/22 11:32 AM
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Wrong. There are MRAs working hard every week for men & boys. Please don't insult us by saying we don't care Even the general public care about specific issues, even if (so far) that care isn't as emotionally important as other things they care about Please, don't be so negative. Help us work towards a better life for men and you'll start to be connected with people who dedicate their lives caring about men.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 10:33 AM
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The biggest single issue is that males do not have equality before and within the law. If we had that, which includes government having to act equally, a lot of men's issues would be greatly reduced. Obviously, the vast prison and sentencing disparity. Measures to 'fix' the 'gender wage gap' would have to be scrapped, or perhaps the under 40s men would be recognised as having the problem, depending on party politics. Public education would have to be sorted to stop disadvantaging boys. The vast …
/r/MensRights01/10/22 10:22 AM
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My advice is not to bother arguing with feminists, especially on their forums. They want power and control, so they won't listen and you can do better with your time positively campaigning for what you believe in than you can campaigning against what you disagree with.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/22 10:39 AM
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Are they aligned with the SLPC? That's very much like their propaganda.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/09/22 10:22 AM
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While I partly agree with you, it's a little more than semantics. 'Rape' carries with it a whole baggage of emotive thought. Sexual assault not only doesn't sound as bad, the punishment for it is less in practice.
/r/MensRights30/09/22 01:42 AM
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I think we get that men are horrid and nasty. We learnt that in the nursery, with rhymes like "Girls are made of spice and all things nice, boys are..." That carries on in words and deeds throughout our lives, including people getting away with calling men things that they'd be sacked for saying about any other minority, or about women.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/09/22 03:59 PM
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Lots of people imagine feminism is pro-woman. Well, maybe it is at times but in many ways, over decades and around the world, organised feminism has shown a greater tendency to be anti-male. Hurting men always trumps helping women. After all, war always has its casualties and feminism is a war declared openly against men, families and society.
/r/MensRights28/09/22 10:15 PM
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In that both humans and canines are mammals, yes they are alike. In that dogs will give affection to those who feed and house them, many women are very like dogs. (That's not an insult, just observation.) In that dogs take a piss standing up, men are like dogs. So what? Next!
/r/EverydayMisandry28/09/22 02:12 PM
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What did I over exaggerate? What did I exaggerate at all? Nothing. Take your lying feminist tactics elsewhere. They won't convince anyone here - we are too well versed in overcoming your nonsense and lies.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 10:36 PM
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Good PR for men? I don't see much of that. https://www.reddit.com/r/everydaymisandry/comments/xnunb6/in_the_uk_parliament_discussing_ukraine
/r/MensRights26/09/22 10:32 AM
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There are very rare times when a girl is fertile very young, even born fertile. Clearly, they can't carry a child to term and the vast majority of girls become fertile during puberty at 8 to 13. From an evolutionary perspective, it is hard to see why girls can go through puberty even that young, since the maternal deaths for under 14s is very high.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 09:55 AM
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To someone so indoctrinated in feminism that they see marriage as a religious, conservative, authoritarian, kleptocratic parody, I have little to answer. You are far too far from an understanding of what a healthy society looks like for me too hope to address your problems on a forum like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/22 09:08 AM
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One problem with that concept is that the more women you put in jobs that are not front line, the more men you are putting in into the front line and into.direct danger. If society is insisting everywhere else that men and women are equal, why should women not be equally at risk?
/r/MensRights26/09/22 12:11 AM
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Before modern healthcare, men and women died at similar average ages. Only since women got a lot better healthcare than men have they lived considerably longer. If people don't like the idea of men retiring younger because they die sooner, then let's them campaign for equality in healthcare. Men won't mind retiring at same age if they they have the same life expectancy.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 12:06 AM
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In which country did feminists not fight against equal retirement age? They fought against it in every country I know.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 12:01 AM
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Because that is a fundamental core of feminism. If you truly believed some group was, and always have been, oppressing you and people like you, would you not be vindictive? That the oppression of women by men is a delusion isn't important to understand the answer to your question. Delusional beliefs can still be strongly held and eagerly taught in universities.
/r/MensRights25/09/22 11:59 PM
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Source ANY nation's feminists arguing for equality of retirement age, let alone true equality in old age: equal time in retirement.
/r/MensRights25/09/22 11:55 PM
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The progress is in part due to a dedicated international team in the MRM. Lots of countries have been equalising pension ages (note: not pension time, in which men are still severely discriminated on), often in conjunction with increasing the state retirement age overall.
/r/MensRights25/09/22 11:44 PM
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It makes you wonder how anybody can believe the feminist Patriarchy Theory. If men were running the world for their own benefit there's no way we would ever have had later retirement ages, yet alone be dying 4 to 6 years sooner because we don't get the same healthcare.
/r/MensRights25/09/22 11:40 PM
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The reality is is that people are living a lot longer then when retirement ages were initially set. Generally, early retirement ages across the population is not affordable.
/r/MensRights25/09/22 11:36 PM
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Equal retirement age is not equality of retirement time. Men should be retiring four years earlier than women in most countries. And if people don't like that, they should be promoting equality in healthcare, which would elevate men's longevity to the same as women's.
/r/MensRights25/09/22 11:34 PM
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I suggest you read up on feminism to find out what 'kind of' marriage, as you understand it, feminism wants to destroy. Edit: And no, it isn't a "right wing, religious, conservative, authoritarian, kleptocratic parody of marriage". But as a feminist, I think you know that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 11:29 PM
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Emotional arguments win supporters, regardless of facts or common sense. That's why feminist policies like "free all women" are gaining ground
/r/MensRights25/09/22 07:52 PM
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Very few women in prison were living with their children at the time they were put in prison. Of those who were, many were convicted of an offense regarding them. Those are not facts which feminists will ever point out, of course.
/r/MensRights25/09/22 07:46 PM
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That is not in question by those who have studied feminism. It has been a goal of feminism at least ever since feminism adopted the tenets of the Frankfurt School, which is where the cultural destruction aspects of feminism came in. This is the the style of feminism that is most common and global. For one simple example, I suggest you look up Kate Mallory's report of her sister and the founders of the USA's National Organisation of Women. https://virtueonline.org/feminism-was-womens-great-enemy-…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 08:37 AM
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Has a lifetime of spouting ‘male privilege’ and ‘patriarchy’ made them immune to basic political truths? Yes. In a nutshell, that's it. I think it was Goebbels who said that to make people believe a lie you just had to repeat it it often enough. It is the same with the truth too: it has to be repeated often enough to become true. And how many facts and figures will it take to break the spell? What do you think? Facts and figures are essential for a moral campaign. But facts and figures alone wil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 01:45 PM
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Why do people refuse to believe the facts? None of us absorb knowledge without the involvement of emotion. The way we feel about some data affects not just our willingness to accept that data, but our ability to absorb it. One of the most readily accessible emotions about data is how far away that data is is from what we expect and currently believe. To give a simple example, you will find it hard to believe that the diameter of the Earth is 100 miles - because you have some kind of idea that 80…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 01:39 PM
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Why is it that for practically EVERY other instance of an immutable group being overrepresented in crime statistics and prison, you see it as evidence of thier powerlessness and oppression, but for men, you see it as the exact opposite? Good point. Men (the minority sex) are the only minority group blamed instead of supported.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/22 11:34 PM
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Every man is part of the minority sex. And as we see, your point is accurate in that men are both more likely to be presumed to be criminals, and more likely to be victims of crimes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/22 11:32 PM
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Write to them. Tell them off. Let them know how you, a fan, are displeased with thier misandry. (If you've never written such a letter before end want guidance, send me a DM.)
/r/MensRights23/09/22 07:35 PM
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UK Prisoners - the genders compared http://empathygap.uk/?p=215
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/22 06:39 PM
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Most crimes remain unsolved and nobody is ever convicted of them. Therefore for most crimes we do not definitively know the sex of the perpetrator. The usual feminista rebuttal to this is that most people convicted of a crime are men. On the face of it, it seems reasonable to extrapolate that most crimes are committed by men. However studies show that men receive far harsher sentences than women for the same crime (in the UK, for example, if men were treated the same as women 5 out of every 6 me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/22 06:02 PM
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We are on a thread to do with "...every Western country...". You don't understand forums, do you? If you're going to present yourself as an authority why not be better informed?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/22 04:27 PM
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In nature, breasts are certainly needed for reproduction, without which an infant would die. However, I meant they are sexual organs in the sense that they are enjoyed by both partners during sex and showing them is usually a matter of arousal. Perhaps you would like to explain where your squeaky voice enters into your circular logic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/22 11:19 AM
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Just to give this some context, NOW wanted to end the draft entirely in the USA, in a period of cold war - which might have blown into full war - between the USA (and allies) and communist Russia (and oppressed satellite nations). NOW have not held this position since communism ended in Russia. Edit: typos.
/r/MensRights23/09/22 03:54 AM
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I would not say that the United Nations says it. The United Nations is a massive body with tentacles into every country. * To claim that something is said by the United Nations it should really be something agreed by the General Assembly or possibly stated by the secretary-general. There are powerful groups within in the UN, some of which are cross-organisational and hold independent discussions. I have encountered the sex and pornography discussions on children in more than one meeting of more …
/r/AntiFeminists23/09/22 03:29 AM
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He is parroting the paedophilic message coming from parts of the United Nations. There, the messages are stronger and include that it is parental abuse to prevent kids watching porn, sex abuse to stop kids screwing ('consensually'), and immoral not to teach young kids how to suck, fuck and bugger one another. It's not yet a big movement but your tax money is being spent on this disgusting stuff. It's straight out of György Lukács / Frankfurt School social Marxism.
/r/AntiFeminists23/09/22 12:27 AM
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The only cases I've heard of where a man used a piece of gender equality legislation to his advantage came from trials and court rulings and then the group who advocated for the legislation screeching about how that's not what they wanted. In the UK, the worst feminist politician called it "unintended consequences" of the equality law she is credited with introducing. Feminists just don't get that genuine equality legislation, genuinely applied, can only be to men's benefit (in fairness, even ma…
/r/MensRights22/09/22 09:30 PM
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No. There have been some claims of such, for example in Scandinavian countries where paternity leave was made equal to maternity leave. In reality, this came as a pressure from the men's rights movement and was supported by politicians, including eventually a minister for equality. The equalities ministry did not initiate or originally support men's rights even in such instances. Hungary has been initiating some support for men's rights but I don't think that is through an equalities ministry; m…
/r/MensRights22/09/22 09:25 PM
1

If an insurance company is going to have to pay up a potential £€$500,000 over the life of a child and it is going to want something like 25,000 in insurance premium. Given that they can't be sure to get that premium after they start paying out they will want that as an up-front fee.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 12:33 PM
1

Already the Men's Rights Movement is having problems in jurisdictions where a man cannot get a legal paternity test. Now you want to add to the problems by motivating insurance companies to also be against paternity tests to avoid having to pay out on claims. A nice idea but not practical. Apart from anything, have you any idea of the cost of your insurance scheme? Given the extent of paternity fraud, the cost would be huge.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 12:24 PM
0

It's more like 14%
/r/MensRights22/09/22 12:19 PM
4

If the marriage were consensual, it would not be arranged. Just because somebody else rangers something for you does not mean that you are unable to consent to it. You might have somebody arranging a mortgage for you but you will still need to consent. If she were able to consent, there would be no need to wait for consumation. Many societies have different standards for agreement to marriage, involvement in sex and other such matters. It is not uncommon in the West for somebody to be allowed to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 10:58 AM
1

Men are drafted regardless of physical fitness levels. As was shown by the Russians as they fought Nazi Germany, women can be effectively put into the front line in all-female battalions to fight. If society is insisting that men and women are equal, what excuse can be made for not drafting women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 10:47 AM
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Sex selective abortions are illegal already in some places including some US states. It seems easy to get around for any savvy woman. I do not know how banning abortions only for girls might work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 02:03 AM
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It is a good way to frame the question. The answer varies around the world. In many Middle East countries, it seems in practice to be about 7 or 8 years old. Strictly, it may be younger than that but a boy is mostly safe until about then. In some countries where slavery still occurs, such as Myanmar, boys as young as 4 will get less protection than girls. The same with victims of violence (e.g. the corpses of young boys piling up almost weekly by Boko Haram being of less importance than a few do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/22 01:31 AM
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So maybe it belongs on r/antifeminism, or more likely r/everydaymisandry but there is no rights issue raised here.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 02:16 PM
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Nothing to do with men's rights. Could we keep this sub on topic, please?
/r/MensRights21/09/22 02:11 PM
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Thank you.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 01:32 AM
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Yogoslavia was, I think, the last country to try that. It didn't work.
/r/MensRights20/09/22 11:59 PM
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No national law supercedes international human rights law. Some countries will get away with it, particularly the USA, but many won't, as a scan of the International Criminal Court shows.
/r/MensRights20/09/22 05:52 PM
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Ukraine has signed up to the Istanbul Convention. This makes it illegal for the Ukrainian government to put any woman into a position of danger. I have no doubt that the Ukrainian government - like most countries signing such things - does not appreciate what it signed up to, since the Istanbul Convention is marketed as being purely to prevent domestic violence against women. However, the Convention goes a lot further and Ukraine might be about to find that out. The Convention:. https://www.coe.…
/r/MensRights20/09/22 01:37 PM
6

Try it. Openly and actively support various rights of men and boys. See how long you still believe in feminism.
/r/MensRights20/09/22 03:52 AM
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Women will Botox thier lips, put eye shadow on, cream over their entire face, dye thier hair a different colour, use tinted contact lenses, apply lipstick to highlight thier lips... ...and then ask "where have all the real men gone?"
/r/MensRights19/09/22 05:00 PM
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As u/angryasfk says, it is about conditioning and upbringing in an environment where difficulties are handled with violence. Most influential are mothers and women initiate more domestic violence than men. You are right that it is a complicated issue with no one resolution. Education, therapy and counselling all help but instead there is blame, misinformation and criminalisation that costs a great deal more than what it would cost to actually help people.
/r/MensRights18/09/22 10:48 PM
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Domestic violence, as Erin Pizzey wrote many decades ago, is intergenerational. That means that anyone who really wishes to stop domestic violence will want to end violence between partners regardless of sex. Doing anything else ensures another generation of violent partners, both male and female.
/r/MensRights18/09/22 08:07 PM
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The same happens on television, too. Women's unprovoked violence against men has been normalised for many decades.
/r/MensRights18/09/22 08:04 PM
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Many men are physically stronger than many women. Most women are far more manipulative, cunning, and psychologically abusive than men. In most cases of domestic abuse, it is the psychological and mental twisting of the mind that is paramount. Abused partners - male or female - are usually psychologically overpowered long before there is any physical violence. That one person is physically stronger than the other is rarely a factor.
/r/MensRights18/09/22 08:01 PM
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Nobody here is trying to be a victim but it needs to be recognised that men can be victims. You might feel all macho but there are men who are caught in a psychological trap and are abused in the home. Just because you - like me - have never experienced domestic violence is no excuse for us to deny that it happens to a great many men. Try to be a decent human being. You couldn't have said it better. Say it when looking in a mirror. Study how it comes about that a partner can let this happen (it'…
/r/MensRights18/09/22 07:53 PM
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Sorry, I mixed up with another recent post on Switzerland. Sure it makes sense to be realistic about differences - so long as we stop pretending in equality. If women can't be asked to do the same work, they should not expect the same pay and promotional chances.
/r/MensRights18/09/22 02:37 PM
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Typically the poisons used are household chemicals, from weed killer to bleach. Yes, weapons are typically what many homes have, such as pans, carving knives, hammers, petrol...
/r/MensRights18/09/22 02:33 PM
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Here's a guy pointing out how in France's Idea of equality, women are legally declared weaker than men when it comes to work: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/xh9tyz/cna_you_give_me_examples_of_traditional_house/iowt2x9
/r/MensRights18/09/22 01:04 PM
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It's a hard thing to measure meaningfully but some time ago I read a study that showed the bottom third of men were weaker than the top third of women. However, that might not be an accurate reflection in domestic living.
/r/MensRights18/09/22 12:58 PM
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I agree that violence by women is not the same as domestic violence by men. • When men are attacked in the street, there is far less public support for them. • When women are convicted of violence their punishment on average is far less than that for convicted men. • Women will often use weapons or poisons in thier violence and create much worse wounds. • Although the men's movement is doing good work in this area, there is still stigma attached to a man being beaten up by a woman; for example i…
/r/MensRights18/09/22 12:51 PM
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Could you reference the source, please. I will enter this in the Legal Discrimination Database.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/22 12:38 PM
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If people want equality, there must be no difference at all in legal requirements and standards.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/22 09:34 AM
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This has nothing to do with men's rights. We have enough to get on with, without these kinds of distractions.
/r/MensRights17/09/22 12:30 PM
1

The 1989 Act I refer to is in the UK (see previous posting on this thread). The situation in the US, as I understand it, is largely down to each State, with some federal laws that guide this. I'm not an expert on family law in the US; I tend to turn to the NCFM on such matters.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/22 12:03 PM
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In several countries, women have about the same rights to be bare-chested or naked as men. Women's breasts are sexual organs, though, so some differences are to be expected.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/22 11:57 AM
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Art is good. Things can be conveyed in art, and the mind will accept the message, where words will fail. Try to think of the audience you want to reach with each art/message; think about what they believe and what might change their outlook. Don't expect to change anyone overnight, though: just nudge them a little each time in the right direction.
/r/MensRights17/09/22 11:54 AM
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Are you any good at general artwork? I sometimes have requirements for illustrations to support human rights but can't find anything suitable available for free.
/r/MensRights17/09/22 11:42 AM
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Yes. Most young people naturally soak up what they are told about the world, without the critical thinking about what they believe. This makes the the feminist indoctrination rampant in schools the dominant belief, even though it is counterfactual. So having young women speak out about the realities of the world is a great way to influence both young men and young women. And as the feminists have realised, affecting the belief patterns of young people is the most effective way to influence socie…
/r/MensRights17/09/22 11:35 AM
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To be an MRA is to DO something for men's rights. There are plenty of people who say they are an MRA but who do not no advocating or activating for men's rights. So, if you want to be an MRA - and I applaud the desire - please join an organisation or work out for yourself just what you are going to do to support the human rights of the minority sex.
/r/MensRights17/09/22 11:24 AM
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It sounds like he wants to ignore biological imperative, typical preferences of the sexes, and what works best for most functioning households. Equality is not what makes for happy homes; cooperation and appreciation are what is needed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/22 11:01 AM
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That doesn't mean that it's illegal to open a men's shelter. Nobody has made such a claim. There is no reason to strawman such a thing. Governments could restrict financial support to shelters supporting both genders. Instead, they not only fund shelters only for women but they fund shelters which deny access to male children of those women. The $billions spent in the USA alone on feminist organisations under VAWA should be something the entire nation has a grievance about. In the UK, the taxpay…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/22 01:50 AM
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Before 1989, a father (assuming he was recognised as such, and I don't know the nuances of that) was automatically guardian (rights and responsibilities) along with the mother. He did not have to be married. Guardianship (custody) after the 1989 Act then was only available to all his wife's children conceived while married. Later laws reduced his custodial rights down to effectively zero, while maintaining his responsibilities. This is now the law in many jurisdictions, with minor changes such a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/22 01:33 AM
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The lack of men's shelters is due to legal under-funding by governments who have declared they are for sex equality but don't fund equally.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/22 11:55 PM
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Is there any laws that give men an advantage? Not many. In some jurisdictions, it is illegal for a woman to be bare-chested but not for a man. For Western nations, that's all I have found in over ten years of asking. In some nations, there are laws which supposedly give men advantages but there are always laws which also give women advantages. Who has the balance of advantage is debatable: feminists will always claim it's the woman who has less advantage but the reality is that it is usually dow…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/22 11:52 PM
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You see? There ARE still some men-only spaces! /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/22 11:46 PM
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There was no concept of 'primary guardian'. A father was declared as A guardian of his children, whether they were born in wedlock or not, in addition to the mother's common law rights and guardianship. This ended quietly in 1989, since when only a husband has had guardianship (now an outdated concept but similar to rights & responsibilities) of his wife's children regardless of whether the children are actually his.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/22 11:44 PM
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Why do you claim it is fallacious? Paranoid, perhaps, but how do you determine it is fallacy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/22 10:36 PM
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Most men/boys like smart women/girls. They just don't like the smartness to be used to demean them. This whole feminist concept of men wanting stupid women is false and has been throughout history.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/22 10:31 PM
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The problem there is where does it stop? If boys start school later, parents (which mostly means mothers) will spend even less time getting them 'school ready' because of the delay. A generation later and boys will start school TWO years later because that's the development stage they will be at. By the time several generations have gone by, it could be recognised that it's just not worth trying to educate boys at all! Rather than send boys to school later, better to send them to better preschoo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/22 10:26 PM
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What can be expected of a self-declared global feminist organisation? We should not expect anything other than feminism from the UN.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 12:34 PM
1

Who says misandry does hurt in the same way? Why are you only interested in ways in which the two similar types of hatred hurt in the same way; do you think men and women are the same?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/22 01:13 AM
1

I note you attempted to put me down (I'm used to feminists: you'd have to do better) but you didn't answer.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 01:11 AM
1

Do you really believe that those with smaller penises are more likely to be left intact? Do you really believe that having a large penis is better than having a smaller one that has more sensation?
/r/MensRights01/09/22 06:01 AM
1

Over the years, feminists have moved from equality of opportunity to equality of outcome to equity. At each stage, the Marxist dogma underlying feminism has been revealed a little more. This isn't just an Anglo phenomenon, it is centrally guided around the world. It's not really about putting women above men, though that tendency is certainly increasing, it's really about making society and economy appear hopelessly broken.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/22 12:41 AM
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Women do have a lot of the same issues, yes. And when the MRM campaigns on issues, it rarely proposes a solution only for men or boys. Usually, we want gender-neutral solutions in both word and practice. Feminism, on the other hand, will identify a wide-scale issue, present it as a woman's problem and propose female-only solutions; leaving men's issues still to be resolved. When it comes to the more serious matter of human rights, feminism can't propose any catching-up. Instead, they make up new…
/r/MensRights30/08/22 08:10 PM
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Other than your misstatement of feminist groups as women's groups and feminists criticizing men as women doing so, I think your post is spot on. The men's rights movement is not going around trying to shut down debate, or disrupt meetings to discuss issues and solutions. Nor are we opposing women's rights as we campaign for the equal human rights of men, or for children's rights. We have feminists and organised resistance from feminist groups almost every time we campaign or even talk. If it wer…
/r/MensRights30/08/22 08:01 PM
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Thu, September 1, 2022 2:00 PM – 3:30 PM EDT
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/22 07:18 PM
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If you don't like the idea of me (a random person you do not know) making you guilty of something just because I chose to do so, then do not ever think that any system other than you remaining innocent unless proven guilty could be good. If you really think my accusation is enough, then I accuse you of breaking every law in existence - and by your standards, that means you should ask to be locked up and kept away from decent society. You see, scrapping the principle of being innocent unless prov…
/r/MensRights28/08/22 02:28 AM
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Can you name even one such country?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/22 11:21 AM
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A female partner who is feminist is not a partner to a man. A feminist believes men are oppressors, men are the problem (for just about anything) and that women deserve better than men (I am well aware that many men and women who say they are feminist will deny at least some of this but if you keep digging through feminist dogma and what they believe, you will uncover it). Such a woman cannot be a partner to a man. At most, she is a temporary live-in fuck buddy. Since she will leave her abuser (…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/22 11:12 AM
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there are countries where women lack basic human rights Women in other countries might not have the same rights as women in your country but I advise caution in thinking they lack rights. Usually, they will have rights that women in your country still lack, such as the right to have all their personal expenses paid for by whichever man is deemed head of household (which could be a boy, having to fund several women).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/22 11:02 AM
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If you don’t trust the other person to not accuse you, you shouldn’t be in the relationship. I agree while at the same time being pragmatic enough to realise that just because you are inclined to trust someone it doesn't mean they are trustworthy. You can be happily and trustingly married for 30 years and still be lied to and cheated upon by your partner (man or woman - I don't think either sex is notably better than the other). In a society brought up on the loose sexual morals taught by femini…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 10:55 AM
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That is precisely how you are supposed to be. Confused, insecure, or persecuted people are easier to control. The obvious answer is not to have sex, which the feminist planners realised and is why the started social pressure against celibate men.
/r/MensRights26/08/22 08:28 AM
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It will be harder to make such a claim stick if a record if everything from start to finish exists. The problem is that the record must be kept securely and indefinitely.
/r/MensRights26/08/22 08:22 AM
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No, don't do that. But if you feel you are being sexually harassed (in this case by lots of unsolicited contacts for sex services) then, sure, see if you can use the same societal weapons used so often against men.
/r/MensRights23/08/22 02:05 AM
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Men are the minority sex in almost all countries. That's not what you meant, I know, but I want to fix the fact in people's minds.
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:55 AM
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Sexual harassment can be a legal matter. Try phoning up your local police and seeing if anyone there is interested in dealing with it (don't just assume not: you never know until you try). If you feel up to it, tell them you identify as a woman: that might get you more attention these days.
/r/MensRights23/08/22 01:53 AM
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In what way is taking the life of a child "in the child's best interests"? So long as abortion is legal, don't bring up a fiction like society needs to care about the child. Society doesn't care, generally, and the reality is that the laws, customs and practices only ever consider whatever the mother wants and decides.
/r/MensRights23/08/22 12:39 AM
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First, I would create a register of those women who declare they are willing to kill an unborn child. Only those women should have access to abortion and paternal opt-out would only apply to such women. This register would be public. Paternal opt-out would be another public register that a man might rescind all rights AND responsibilities toward any child of a woman on the register of potential child killers. Within, say, four weeks of being notified by a registered woman that he is the suspecte…
/r/MensRights23/08/22 12:31 AM
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The conviction rate for rape of women in the UK is around 40 to 50%, which is WAY higher than the conviction rate for any other type of crime. If feminists stopped telling women they had such a low chance of conviction, probably more rapists would be prosecuted, or prosecuted earlier (there are few rapists: they tend to be multiple attackers). This would do women and society a lot of good but isn't in the political interests of feminist bodies, so they keep lying about it, telling women that the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/22 11:29 PM
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For one thing, they are far less likely than women to see their rapist convicted (UK data). If the rapist is a woman who gets pregnant, her victim will become liable for child upkeep, even if he is underage (he will usually not be liable until coming of age, though might be immediately liable for back- payments). If he defends himself, then he may be prosecuted for violence and will stand a chance of being convicted as a violent offender (the slight risk of that is worth it, imo). If his rapist …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/22 06:45 PM
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In the coming years, there will be a growing number of people suing over the loss of a child, the loss of a foreskin, for fraudulent paternity claims, etc. The courts are one area where men's rights are gaining. We WILL win eventually.
/r/MensRights22/08/22 04:12 PM
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It's good to hear that is all in the past for you now. I'm sorry that you, like so many men, had to go through that kind of a mess. Keep well.
/r/AntiFeminists22/08/22 03:56 PM
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This is one reason why I have a slight problem with MGTOW: it is is a reaction to feminism that is directly in line with feminism's aims.
/r/MensRights22/08/22 03:51 PM
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Turkey, which once ratified the Convention, has since denounced it. The UK only recently ratified it, after lies were told in Parliament about its contents. I'm not sure why you mention the Istanbul Convention. Is it because you know about its detrimental impact, or because you believe the propaganda around it?
/r/MensRights22/08/22 01:59 PM
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And you are a man doing what? If there were ample men fighting for men, these women would not be so prominent. Who said that they were making decisions about men? What decisions are you saying they are making? What exactly gives you a right to decide on something for all men when you are only one of over 3 billion? The problem is not that there are too many women working on behalf of men; the problem is that there are too few men working on behalf of men.
/r/MensRights22/08/22 12:42 PM
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To make it simple: if you want to know what what feminists are guilty of, just read what's they try to blame men for. Greed and power are well up there.
/r/MensRights22/08/22 12:14 PM
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Man claims that psychologist is confused about astrology because they have internalised misandry.
/r/MensRights22/08/22 11:51 AM
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There are many women working hard in the men's (rights) movement. I could agree that feminists don't care about men: that's something built into feminism and shouldn't be expected of a feminist, male or female.
/r/MensRights22/08/22 11:00 AM
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A case of a stupid sister, not a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 11:57 PM
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You are quoting an opinion piece in the Guardian? Really? And you think it is me who is looking foolish?
/r/MensRights21/08/22 07:32 PM
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Rather than make yourself look foolish with silly statements perhaps you would care are to support your hypothesis with some fact. Until you do so, it is not I and other readers who look foolish in challenging your nonsense.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 07:16 PM
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Feminists are masters at adoption and redefinition. It's an old Marxist trick. The biggest examples are feminists pretending that suffragettes were feminists, that the women's liberation front was a feminist movement, and that rape culture refers to women instead of men in prison. But by redefining words such as gender, patriarchy, mother and even woman they keep the hoi polloi confused over what the message is, and just what it is they want for society.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 03:33 PM
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Are you talking a male or female feminist? Either way the kind of partner they will be able to get it is only from the bottom of the barrel.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 03:22 PM
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Women's magazines regularly run articles about how hard it is for women to find partners. Judging from that, I would say there are a lot of women who are incels.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 03:20 PM
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I know: it's terrible but I don't think I've been called incel yet! I have been called all sorts of names for supporting the human rights of men and children but I don't remember being called an incel. Then again, I can't remember any of the other insults either so perhaps it was just another thing that washed off me since I don't care about the opinion of somebody who calls people names instead of politely talking to them.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 03:17 PM
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In general Hungary is moving away from the attempt to pretend that men and women are the same and therefore not trying to treat them equally. There are differences between men and women and the most obvious of these is childbearing. Feminists scream because men in Hungary have a few rights and there are few special considerations for intersectional equity, meaning that men compete fairly. This is not to say that men's rights are not lacking in Hungary but it is one of the better countries for me…
/r/MensRights21/08/22 01:49 PM
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Man attempts suicide and kills himself on the first try. Woman attempts suicide and fails 5 times. The statistical result shows that women attempt suicide 5 times more than men, and men suicide successfully more often. Feminists will want to care more about the woman who has failed to suicide because they care about women and do not care about men. It is up to those of us who care about men to reach out as individuals and help the men around us, and to promote for others to do the same.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 01:37 PM
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You will never win an argument with a feminist. At best, you will show him up to others who have a brain - but even there, don't expect too much. In the time you spend arguing with feminists, you could have been much more productive doing something to help men.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 01:29 PM
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It is always good to see someone doing some male advocacy. It is often simpler to do in real life than we imagine.
/r/MensRights21/08/22 02:38 AM
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Yes, that's the only one the government sponsors, at around £50k compared with about £2m for women's helplines (the exact figure is not clear). The government's appointee to assist domestic violence victims could barely stand attending the Mankind Initiative conference, giving a rote speech, no question time and left the conference without hearing any other speaker. Yet the chairman of Mankind Initiative has been recognised for his services to male victims (they run the trustworthy phone line bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/22 12:02 AM
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Your question is badly worded in that it implies there are no feminist men. Feminists hardly ever engage in debate among themselves: disagreement is usually handled by typical divisiveness, which leads to the huge variety of types of feminism although to outsiders, there is little if any difference between most of the varieties. Feminism is an ideology with its own Marxist intent for the world. There is no real debate on the core issues because it's like any other dogma: you either agree or ther…
/r/MensRights20/08/22 06:35 PM
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The helpline the government sponsors is run by a feminist organisation that was set up to teach men how not to beat up women. You can imagine the level of sympathy abused men get when calling up their helpline.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/22 04:23 PM
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I disagree. I should not expect to be of interest to a woman if I am not worthwhile. I won't waste my time with a woman who isn't worthwhile. That said, feel free to adapt the phrase for your own use and circumstance. Oddly enough, nobody has yet called me an incel, as far as I recall! I feel oddly missed out: I get called all kinds of things for the work I do on behalf of men and children, so why should I not be called an incel? Am I too old or something? Damn these ageist feminists! 😃
/r/MensRights20/08/22 04:18 PM
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One of the best sites for data, though it concentrates on the UK, is the Illustrated Empathy Gap. Take a look at some of the writings there to see if you can find some guide: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aempathygap.uk+homicide
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/22 04:10 PM
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"No, it's not involuntary: I am just waiting for a worthwhile woman."
/r/MensRights20/08/22 03:14 PM
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This isn't a movement, it is a subreddit: a single online forum on men's rights. If you don't like it here, there are other men's rights subreddits and many more active parts of the men's rights movement away from Reddit. There has to be a place for men to vent. In time, some will become MRAs, many might not. Like any media, you may need to be more selective in your choice of what to read here: there are occasional discussions and new information: concentrate on those and leave the more ranting …
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:32 PM
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I'll get onto that later. I'm on my phone just now and hate searching using it.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:25 PM
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She needed treatment after her year as a man. She said she got herself sorted out eventually, realising that she had other problems too. I'm not sure she ever went public about them but they weren't to do with her time pretending to be a man. Norah was a good woman who had problems with feminism but was never interested enough in men to help them beyond her book, which she initially thought would be a feminist attack on male privilege. She was honest (part of her suffering came from lying to men…
/r/MensRights20/08/22 05:19 AM
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And if anyone has read Mein Kampf (boooring!) they would understand the socialist objectives, too. Many people get confused because of the nationalism; today, few socialists are nationalists and so nationalism is associated with the right wing. The National Socialists were clearly following a socialist agenda, however.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 02:51 AM
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If I know it is a feminist approaching, I will deliberately close the door on them. I will admit it only took two or three feminists having a go at me for keeping the door open for them but I learned. Until feminists apologise to me for being shitty to all men, and stop resisting the rights of men and children,I have no interest in treating them with the politeness due to a normal member of society. See the YouTube video 'Treat feminists fairly'.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 01:14 AM
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This, I think, highlights the problem with the waves. In Australia for example the suffrage movement partly ended when men got the vote in the early 1900s and fully ended about 4 years later when men voted for women to have the vote. In other countries such as the UK this happened in 1917/20. Very few women in the world had to wait more than a few years after men got the vote for those men to vote for women's suffrage - despite opposition from many women. If you read the Declaration of Sentiment…
/r/MensRights20/08/22 01:01 AM
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And sillier still.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:42 AM
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We do seem to be rare here and if I wasn't in bed ill I probably wouldn't be here myself.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:41 AM
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I'm going from memory here but Patriarchy Theory (perhaps not in that name) was in feminist writings by at least the 1920s, certainly before the Marxist direct influence (though early feminists were mostly socialist by contemporary standards). I get confused by the various waves claimed for feminism but most people reckon second wave started in the 1960s which is well after the Frankfurt School introduced Marxism as an element of (takeover of) feminism.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:39 AM
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Get an education and stop attempting to insult an experienced MRA on a men's rights forum: you just make yourself look silly.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:25 AM
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In believing in Patriarchy Theory, you believe that men are the oppressors of women. I find it hard to believe that anyone would conciously support the rights of oppressors (I'm aware that many subconsciously do).
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:20 AM
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The old version of feminism was much the same as the modern version. Your sister could always do things you couldn't, regardless of when. Now she can also do those things you are allowed to, while you still don't have equality.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:17 AM
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Or perhaps it is you who don't know what feminism is up to.
/r/MensRights20/08/22 12:12 AM
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I do not ignore that women could not vote. I do not ignore that most men could not vote either. I do not ignore that there were rights that men had but women did not. But - and this is the important part - there were always rights that women had that men did not. It was always impossible to gain equality only by giving rights to women. So when somebody claims that feminism was once about equality it is very fair to point out that's they have never campaigned for men's rights, without which equal…
/r/MensRights19/08/22 10:29 PM
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If we go back far enough then I agree there was an imbalance of fairness. Men were subjected to being drafted to go to war, men were made liable for their wives' crimes and men were expected to earn the money to pay for the household, and not given paternal rights. I could go on but perhaps you will never agree that men needed rights to be equal to women but only got ignored as women got greater and greater rights. And if your knowledge of history is given to you by feminism instead of fact then…
/r/MensRights19/08/22 10:18 PM
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When were women treated lesser than men and in what country? I can think of many ways in which men have been and remain lesser than women in society, such as having to go to war and having to to learn money for the household, and certainly there was a time when it was not pretended that men and women ate the same - so they were treated differently. Different is not same as lesser and I await your response to this post or to my previous one where I asked you in what's country feminism ever campai…
/r/MensRights19/08/22 10:08 PM
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Women are equal to men .. but one in four weeks they are not able to perform normally. Uh huh. So what do they want to do: tell us that female airline pilots are just as safe as men, or tell us that one week a month a female airline pilot shouldn't be in the air. I'm not being misogynist about this at all: I just want to know which way society is pretending to lean this year.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 10:01 PM
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Crap. If men went on killing sprees, there would be few people left alive. A few people go on killing sprees (most in the USA) but they are not usually people who have ever campaigned for men's rights. Some may be incels but that does not mean that incels kill people any more more than it is true to say that people who go on killing sprees use toothpaste so therefore toothpaste kills people.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 09:55 PM
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There is a world of difference between an internet culture warrior and a men's rights advocate/activist. Few people on internet forums about men's rights are MRAs.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 09:50 PM
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I agree except for about anger. Anger drives people and can motivate people. Most effective social movements have had an underlying anger in them. What is important is that the anger is channelled into useful advocacy and activism and never is allowed expression in useless ways such as violence. It is hard for oppressed people not to feel anger and doing nothing about that anger can lead to severe mental health issues; being an active MRA is often frustrating but can be a healthy channel for val…
/r/MensRights19/08/22 09:46 PM
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Tldr on points 1, 2 & 3: Feminists oppose men's rights and call those working on (or even talking about) men's issues all kinds of names They always have, they still do, and probably always will. The answer is to get on and work on behalf of men and children regardless, ignoring feminism until the (inevitable) moment they specifically oppose what you are doing.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 09:40 PM
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I know feminism well across many countries and certainly feminism was not supporting men in the 1960s in any Western nation. Which country are you thinking they did? It is difficult to believe in feminist theory and support men. Why would someone support an oppressor? That men are oppressors of women has been a core feminist belief since the 19th century.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 09:29 PM
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When did feminism ever promote equality of men? Don't sling insults just because of your ignorance.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 09:22 PM
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You can't be humanist or egalitarian AND feminist. Feminist theory clearly excludes both humanism and egalitarianism. Feminism grew in competition to egalitarianism, not as part of it.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 09:08 PM
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Feminism arose as a counterpoint to egalitarianism, not as a component of it. No feminist organisation has ever campaigned for the rights of men or boys; they often campaign directly against those of us who push for equality for men, or for rights to be given to men or children (and sometimes fight against women, too, where they want something against feminist ideology).
/r/MensRights19/08/22 09:03 PM
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I'm trying to work out why you mention equality on a thread to do with feminism. Or are you new to men's rights issues and don't yet realise that feminism fights against rights of men and children?
/r/MensRights19/08/22 08:55 PM
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Genetic health researchers know that one in seven of us misname our genetic father.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 04:12 PM
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It has a negative profitability for most pharmaceutical companies, as most of them produce female contraceptive pills which would decrease in sales (slightly) if men had a (safe) option.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 04:10 PM
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Women's places seem to be everywhere. This sub doesn't bother about them, though it does talk about men's places and the severe restriction upon men who just want to spend time among other men.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 02:09 PM
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This is a feature of United Nations and is spreading globally. The UN is where the whole 'violence against women' movement got underway.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 07:14 PM
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This is one offshoot of the Istanbul Convention and the mindset of those who pushed the recent legislation on it through. Yet another letter about to go off to my MP (if you'd like to write to your MP but don't know how, message me and I'll be happy to help).
/r/MensRights17/08/22 07:10 PM
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Rubbish.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 07:06 PM
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Few societies have ever held women to the same standard as men. Islamic countries arguably hold them to an equitable (but different) standard. Ancient Egypt, for a time, held equal legal standards for men and women. It simply doesn't seem to be human nature to want women to be equally responsible as men. MRAs need to keep up asking for it, though, at least until society gives up on trying to make men and women equal instead of complementary.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 07:05 PM
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The MRM in general, and this sub in particular, pay far too much attention to feminists. The only time a MRA needs to bother with feminists is when they oppose proposals to improve the rights or conditions for men (or children, or women). At that time, there will be feminist resistance and that is when they can be defeated with sustained, focused, and tightly-targeted preparation and response.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 05:40 PM
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Genetic researchers have found that one in seven (c.14%) of us will incorrectly name the man who is our genetic father.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 01:31 PM
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Gender (sex) is rarely mentioned as it is. The definition is usually to do with what happens with a penis. In order to define the crime, that still is likely to be necessary but the equivalent use of force with objects and with vagina should also be included in the legal definition of rape.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 01:25 PM
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Most legislatures define rape as something only'men can do. So, given that protection from female sexual predators is so much worse, and is only rarely defined as 'rape', it really is not surprising that most rapists are men. Anyone campaigning for legal equality would insist that when a woman forces sex on someone, it is also defined as rape.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:26 PM
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Here is the problem. You define rape in broad social terms but rape is a legal definition in most jurisdictions and, where it is legally defined, it is mostly defined as something only men do (it sometimes includes sex with children by either sex). Therefore, the media only mention rape with male attackers and government statistics usually only aggregate sex attacks by men into rape figures. (In most jurisdictions, equivalent acts by women are illegal, usually under Sexual Assault, but typically…
/r/MensRights13/08/22 12:30 AM
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You mentioned rights and I'm asking "what rights?" I don't care about pissing contest to see who has read, or understood, more about Peterson's writings or speeches. I don't question he has done well for male psychology. He has denied being an MRA and I agree with him.
/r/MensRights13/08/22 12:15 AM
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What rights that are specifically for men or boys has Peterson campaigned for? The only right I'm aware of him making a noise about is freedom of expression.
/r/MensRights11/08/22 10:41 AM
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By implying that two people who are not MRAs are at the top of the men's movement. It's nonsense.
/r/MensRights11/08/22 02:45 AM
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No. I don't know much about Tate but Peterson has specifically denied being a supporter of the men's rights movement.
/r/MensRights11/08/22 02:42 AM
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One of the problems the MRM has in discussing this with the general public is the ease with which it is possible to misinterpret what is being said. This is particularly true in English, notably not in some languages. When we say "women lie about being raped", what a listener/reader can understand we are saying is "a woman raped is lying about it". Try this, for example: "men lie about being defrauded." Do you find yourself disagreeing with that? If so, you've fallen for just the same problem. B…
/r/MensRights10/08/22 04:59 AM
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Among medical professionals studying genetic diseases, it is generally accepted that one in seven of us will misname the man who is our genetic father.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 10:28 AM
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Oh no! If she had a baby from her victim, he will be made to pay for it when he's old enough.
/r/MensRights05/08/22 10:46 AM
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What if they just want to do neither and let others fight on their behalf, while they carry on earning well?
/r/MensRights05/08/22 04:52 AM
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It's actually the opposite. It's not that good women are being picked, but that they can have their pick. Feminist women, meanwhile, find that most men have the sense to keep well away from them, and most feminist women aren't interested in feminist men at all, though they are the only ones wanting to pick them.
/r/MensRights03/08/22 01:43 PM
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I recommend not being so familiar with feminist anatomy. There are more non-feminist women than feminist women, so respect yourself and keep feminists at a distance.
/r/MensRights03/08/22 01:37 PM
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I find it amusing that the go-to feminist insult for a man standing up for his rights in the 1980s/1990s was 'rapist' (because "all men are rapists, and that's all they are") whereas now that has been turned 180° and they instead accuse us of NOT having sex. Feminists have always been sex-obessed, though, bless their brainless little minds.
/r/MensRights03/08/22 01:34 PM
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Those are almost certainly not men's rights advocates or activists. They may be virtue signallers who like to look good by calling themselves MRA but I have never met someone who really works for men's rights who is not happy to work alongside women colleagues in the fight.
/r/MensRights03/08/22 10:26 AM
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Twice in my career as an MRA, I have attempted to put anti-feminism to the side and purely concentrate on men's and children's issues. In three different campaigns I was forced by feminists to counter the feminist resistance to men and children being looked after and gaining their human rights. This is not unusual but it did show me that it is not my anti-feminist tendencies which is causing the resistance to men's rights; it is feminists themselves. I think there has only been one major campaig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/22 10:25 AM
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No, that's not right. In the UK and many other jurisdictions, only a man can legally rape: rape is defined as requiring penetration with a penis. A man can be raped. A woman cannot - legally - rape.
/r/MensRights02/08/22 10:17 AM
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Insults from people who are disrespectful and whose opinions count for nothing? Stop caring so much about those who are openly opposed to the very existence of men and masculinity. Their opinions, including their insults, have a lot less power if you ignore them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 09:40 AM
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Don't bother arguing with feminists. You won't change their mind like that and will just be wasting time you actually be putting into being an MRA and doing some good for men & children.
/r/MensRights01/08/22 08:59 AM
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It is possible to be entirely too concerned about what feminists say, write or think. While an MRA can't ignore them when they oppose the rights of men or children, they should otherwise be ignored Incels have no ideological commonality. Stop with the intersectional crap that pretends that just because someone who wants sex can't (for a while) get it, they can be grouped into some sociopolitical band. It's crap and it always will be crap.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 08:55 AM
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Women are one of the mainstays of the men's rights movement. Why the hell would we want to ban people who support and help us?!? I've seen this kind of crap ever since I started being an MRA about 20 years ago. The problem is not that we have too many women helping men's rights: it is that we have too few men.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 03:41 PM
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Yet you managed to be born.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 03:36 PM
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But you find it quite acceptable to show your heterophoria and call people names for being against a political woke movement that is increasingly resisted by lesbians and gays. Your attempts to shut down discourse mark you as part of the problem men suffer from.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 10:30 AM
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Not only are you raising a stawman but I suggest you look at the title of this sub. We are not here to discuss women's problems. It doesn't matter if they are massive: other places talk about them (and never mention men's rights issues alongside such discussions). Here is a place to talk about MEN'S ISSUES and even though it is a rare space, even here you want to make it about women's issues. Take your feminist trolling away.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 10:24 AM
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Yes, I noticed you doing that. Here on a sub for men's rights, people will even come to repeat the feminist mantra that women have it worse. That leaves two options for the men and women who support men: (1) we say 'so what', since we are here for men - then we get blamed for being callous and uncaring; (2) we counter with factual statements - again and again, every time, which inevitably will be shortened - to show how men have it tough. Then people say we are indulging in victim Olympics, for …
/r/MensRights31/07/22 10:13 AM
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Those are the common feminist definitions but are not universally recognised. Even the feminist United Nations doesn't officially recognise a difference between sex and gender. Many people use the words synonymously.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 09:50 AM
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If someone looks like a woman, behaves like a woman, smells like a woman, they will be treated like a woman. If someone looks like a man, behaves like a man, smells like a man, they will be treated like a man. If they aren't, nobody will be any wiser. This is the goal of any genuine person who has gender dysphoria. The problems come when people who don't want to make the effort to present in a particular way want to nevertheless be treated in a particular way. They are the distraction from men's…
/r/MensRights31/07/22 09:44 AM
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You are the one displaying hate and fear, not the OP. Why are you so scared of rational, open debate? Why are you so nasty - it sounds like you have absorbed a lot of the hateful rhetoric we struggle against in our daily lives.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 09:36 AM
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Normally, I encourage people to tolerate family and forgive parents. Feminism wants to shatter famies and we all need to conciously work against their intent. In this case, however, you have a very toxic parent. Sadly, there is only one recourse for you. Distance yourself and have as little contact with her as possible, preferably none. In the short term, I suspect that this will hurt you but within a year you would start to blossom as a person. Much of your perceived personal problems would sta…
/r/MensRights30/07/22 11:10 PM
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You've soaked up rather too much of the feminist sex war, my friend. The feminists intended to split the sexes so they would be at one another's throats and forget that their natural position is in mutual (and different) support. You are now wanting to perpetuate that for them. Women are not men's natural enemy. Feminism is: both men and women feminists.
/r/MensRights30/07/22 11:02 PM
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Work out what it is you intend creating - what your objectives are. The title here suggest you want a rights group but then you talk of a wellbeing group. So is it a human rights campaign group you want, or is it a support group? It can be hard to be both. Think about why should people join/attend your group and what their role in it is to be. What will your role be, and why should men trust you? I don't mean that negatively but many men have been burnt by women, many are wary of feminist infilt…
/r/MensRights30/07/22 10:52 PM
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Only if they live in the 5% of the population it affects. Most of the world has its own issues.
/r/MensRights30/07/22 04:26 PM
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I stopped reading that on the first sentence, promoting Emmeline Pankhurst as someone who helped women get the right to vote. Like most suffragettes, she hindered the process by (1) only wanting wealthy women to have the vote - matching the men who could vote at the time - while the movement for general suffrage continued, and (2) the terrorist activities that made people resist giving in. For UK suffrage, I recommend William Collins who gave some excellent talks on the topic a few years ago.
/r/MensRights30/07/22 01:26 PM
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So what? What makes you think everyone isn't aware of that?
/r/MensRights30/07/22 12:51 PM
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Now can we stop with the stupid statements I keep reading even here about how feminism "used to be good".
/r/MensRights30/07/22 12:38 PM
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If you can be bothered, next time your friend rubbishes the idea of misandry, you might try breaking it down for him. Is it possible for men to be hated? Is it possible for people to be hated because of their sex? Is it likely that only women are hated for their sex? I would not advise taking it further than that. If he has two brain cells to rub together, that will leave him enough to think over and start to question his feminist indoctrination.
/r/MensRights30/07/22 12:32 PM
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I can't work out why you made that comment.
/r/MensRights30/07/22 12:27 PM
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You are also likely to meet a lot more toxic misandrists, including among the 'educators'. Good luck!
/r/MensRights30/07/22 12:25 PM
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Family and relationships. Protective instinct and abuse.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 02:27 PM
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Thoroughly agree and was going to say much the same.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 02:25 PM
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I'm sure I can post links, and more links, and more. Whether any would match up to your requirements, I don't know. And I have no interest when you say an article I post a link to is "your article". So I'll tell you what, why don't you stop being lazy and do your own research, then post your own links. Even better, start doing something constructive for men's issues
/r/MensRights29/07/22 01:15 PM
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I'm wondering what you hope will come of people repeating here what they want the media to report on.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 10:54 AM
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Once you have your list from people here, what will you do with it? How is it going to improve even a single man's life?
/r/MensRights29/07/22 10:48 AM
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You never mentioned holding debates only on the USA and I specifically said the debates occur "around the world" so I am confused at your illogic that I come from the USA. I'm also confused at your reference to TV. Yeah, you seem to be rapidly introducing more irrelevancies, so let's drop it.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 09:48 AM
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Some of the rhetoric around this has been specifically aimed at men. The proposals discussed do not only target couples. Since men pay the vast majority of tax, the burden - if it is introduced - would fall mostly on men.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 09:38 AM
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Toxic girlfriend. A woman who can't even think for herself will be influenced by some harmful source sooner or later. Dump them first and cut the drama out of your life.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 12:59 AM
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It would help to know where you are talking about. The world is a big place.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 12:48 AM
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Why do you assume I am in the US? I resent phrases such as 'your CIA'. I get blamed enough by feminists for things I can have no control over, without you piling on the crap.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 12:41 AM
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Were they both above age of consent? If so, what's the issue, Mrs Robinson?
/r/MensRights28/07/22 10:38 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/w4y101/tax_the_childless_encourage_our_own_to_breed_what/?utm_source=share
/r/MensRights28/07/22 10:24 PM
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Well done and thank you. Most letters we write in won't achieve what we want and the only useful approach is to send in enough that some do have the effect we want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/22 08:03 PM
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I've not checked but you may not need to be in the UK, if you have been exposed to UK adverts on any media.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/22 08:01 PM
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They already are whining about it. Their solution is to tax men for not wanting to risk getting involved with women.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 07:52 PM
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Is there no end to her determination to introduce sexist laws targeting men even more?
/r/MensRights28/07/22 07:51 PM
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Why do you imagine that debates such as you outline have not been held? Such things are held around the world with tiring regularity. They don't solve anything, because to those ideologically wedded to involuntary euthanasia, the facts aren't important.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 07:26 PM
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Hang on, there. Don't your feminist sisters tell you that men have arranged laws to suit men? How can it be that so many bad things women do are not punished by law, while you are aware that most crime is blamed on men? What kind of patriarchal conspiracy is that? Men DO get raped. Only sexist laws favouring women prevent the law recognising what most people know very well: of course women rape men.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 07:17 PM
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Are you saying that female shop owner should get no sympathy for people stealing from them, since most shoplifters are female? And we shouldn't care about girls being bullied in school, since it is mostly girls who are being nasty to them? Your disgustingly sexist thought process and lack of care about victims makes me really glad you won't be having children.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 07:12 PM
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If you are in Buckinghamshire, UK, support the Family & Children Party. In Scotland, the Scottish Family Party. They are the only parties directly supporting most men's issues.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 06:34 PM
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You would probably get more out of this sub by taking things less personally and getting some sympathy for the plight of men who have no rights with their own family and life.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 06:14 PM
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But that's not shutting you down, is it? Why do you assume their frustration has anything to do with their mother, when it is their lack of parental rights men are concerned with?
/r/MensRights28/07/22 05:58 PM
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And I guess you didn't realise I was being sarcastic about your apparent inability to see disadvantage to anyone other than women.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 05:28 PM
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Nobody's shutting you down here, are they? If you are reading and thinking about all the responses, you are hopefully learning.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 05:26 PM
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You would do well to show care of men and children, too.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 05:05 PM
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I disagree. While it sounds like a lovely slogan, in practice it doesn't work and does not reflect human rights instruments. I do think it's a good starting point, though, from which to hold discussion of ways and circumstances under which a person's body may be compromised. (It's a big discussion and I won't get further into it here.)
/r/MensRights28/07/22 05:04 PM
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Nobody is blaming you for being female. You are behaving like a feminist, so it's reasonable to assume you are one Your first post on this men's right sub wasn't in support of men's rights. It was purely asking those who have NO parental rights why we aren't getting bothered that your massive parental rights have (arguably) been set closer to men's. I don't know you enough to sling an insult like 'feminist' at you but If you don't think men who are suffering daily because of their lack of rights…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 04:53 PM
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What makes you think I think you support any of that? You are like those feminists who contribute nothing to the discussion, which was purely about your comment that "...nobody has the right to decide over another person's body."
/r/MensRights28/07/22 04:25 PM
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It affects both men and women. It affects the health of society. Men are generally fulfilled by providing and protecting their woman. This is not cultural and can be seen the world over. Feminism has destroyed that, turning men from a natural role. If that seems like I am only talking of the effect on women .. well, so be it.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 04:22 PM
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Not really sure what more I can say. That's part of your problem. You are on a forum where men talk of all the help they need .. and you have no words. Thank goodness there are many women who genuinely care about men & children, and support us.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 04:15 PM
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Of course. Edit: why am I getting downvoted? Because you are on a men's rights forum and claim to support men, yet your post makes no acknowledgement that men's parental rights are still massively behind that of women. On this men's rights forum, all you do is wonder why men aren't supporting women (they are, just not in the droves you are used to). So we see your ' of course' you will support men, and see that you don't. Put in a few years supporting men's claims for human rights, to begin catc…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 04:12 PM
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Rubbish. Boys bodies are hacked in their private parts: a surgery specifically introduced to reduce sexual feelings. Men are forced to pay for children they never even wanted (and might not have fathered), requiring 18+ years of his body being committed for up to 50% of his working life. MEN are very used to having decisions made over their body.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 03:58 PM
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"Abortion is not about the child..." I've read many daft statements by the eugenicists who want to kill babies but this is even more ridiculous than calling abortion "reproductive health" or pretending it supports bodily autonomy. If there was no child, there could be no abortion. Abortion is always about the child, in the most drastic way.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 03:52 PM
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The removal of life is the ultimate harm to bodily autonomy. Abortion is a massive assault on bodily autonomy, not a support of it.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 03:47 PM
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That is the saddest aspect of feminism. Whether it's marriage, children, job mentoring, even sexual assault; the constant hectoring of men has turned swathes of them away from their masculine care and protection into beings that simply have to defend themselves and no longer give a shot for women's issues. And if you've read your Feminism history, you know this is an intended outcome: to deliberately distance men from their healthy, protective role that is so natural to them. At least it is maki…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 03:45 PM
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Statistically around 60% of men are for abortion rights and bodily autonomy rights. Which? The ultimate loss of bodily autonomy is to lose one's life. Given that every abortion involves a loss of life, no-one can be both for abortion and for bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 03:33 PM
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I have always understood the US Constitution as allowing States to retain maximum possible self-determination. There has been a trend since the 1940s to usurp this but scrapping RvW shows a willingness to structure the country as it was intended (and written) to be. But the federal/republic arguement is not specifically a men's issue any more than it is a woman's.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 03:27 PM
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'I hate all men and will prove how bad men are by making up quotes that don't exist.' I would laugh out loud back at you but actually, I just feel very sad for you. Goodnight and hopefully goodbye until you've come out of therapy for your Feminism.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 01:28 AM
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No, it is 25 men and women giving an upvote to a long post, only part of which you quoted. They may well be giving an upvote as a way of saying "thank you for quoting third party research." Even in what you quoted, nobody was telling women to lower their standards. Perhaps you need to study English more to understand words like "if", "either", "would have". You might also need to throw off your feminist indoctrination so that you can realise that it is not incel men who are the subject but incel…
/r/MensRights28/07/22 01:17 AM
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Sure, if you're willing to invest the time. Most people here with time are busy MRAs, far too involved with real-world issues and dealing with feminist resistance as we try to get men and children their human rights (or at least, stop them being further eroded, if we can). I admire the mods here for their dedication but wouldn't ask them to commit to catching every feminist lie.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 01:06 AM
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Point to such a post on this sub. Show "a bunch of dudes whining that women have standards". You have not done this, outside of your misandric imagination.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 12:58 AM
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I see a lot of such challenges being made here. It won't stop the lies being repeated, though. If you think the truth matters to feminists, you're still learning.
/r/MensRights28/07/22 12:52 AM
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LOL. For someone with the skills to root out an obscure postbon an obscure thread, I am amazed you don't have the reading comprehension to realise you quoted a post discussing documented research. At no point is there any complaint of not being laid In fact, you have to be quite biased to conclude that someone pointing out research that other men have difficulties getting dates has anything to do with the poster saying they can't get laid. Is that reflection or something?
/r/MensRights28/07/22 12:50 AM
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If your daughter has relations on her mother's side, try to involve them in breaking the news to her. If possible, don't put such negative news all upon yourself because the slightest doubt on your daughter's part (and it is normal to want to deny bad news) can cause her to have conflicting feelings towards you. If nobody else, see if you have a friend, neighbour or doctor who will stand-in, helping break the news. Tell your daughter asap. Use euphemisms if you want but in my limited experience,…
/r/MensRights27/07/22 11:04 PM
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The will generate as much hate as their feminist masters can rile up in them.
/r/AntiFeminists27/07/22 09:45 PM
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Get brainwashed in feminism.
/r/AntiFeminists27/07/22 09:42 PM
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Ok, thanks for the dash of reality. Personally, I far prefer people stood up for themselves and not bog down the public purse with everything they don't like. I realise that is a part of my own peculiar left/right/centrist politics at play, however. I think society would be much better off with people learning how to cope with inappropriate behaviour from others, instead of running off to some parent figure .. unless it is a matter of protection or public good.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 06:31 PM
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Yawn. Again. Read through the sub, instead of attempting to continue to waste our time with this stuff.
/r/AntiFeminists27/07/22 04:43 PM
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I wouldn't say you've been molested if you have been forthright with the extent of what happened. He was at the very least pushy. Outside of any legal terminology, I would say he was abusive of your trust, since he was clearly not accepting barriers you had set (perhaps other women had given in to such behaviour, which taught him to be persistent, or perhaps he was just an ass).
/r/MensRights27/07/22 04:37 PM
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Why reach out to authorities for a guy being pushy? Is that the kind of world you really want to live in?
/r/MensRights27/07/22 04:30 PM
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You've been reading some strange sources if you think the MRM has not been making small steps and fighting small battles over many decades. I cannot think of any human rights campaigner for men and children who has seriously ever proposed a revolution. Revolution is what the enemies of society desire most of all!
/r/MensRights27/07/22 01:25 PM
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We elected them. Over many decades.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 01:20 PM
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You say it is not as complicated as MRAs have led you to believe but then you outline a solution that is identical to what MRAs have been proposing for decades. Ever since Erin Pizzey, who founded the first domestic violence shelters, started trying to provide services for men, feminists have resisted such proposals. What we now have is a global industry that is an ideological and financial goldmine to those in whose interests it is to perpetuate domestic disorder. It will not do anything for me…
/r/MensRights27/07/22 01:19 PM
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Not a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 10:21 AM
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Almost no women, anywhere in the world, are incarcerated for minor offences. (There are exceptions, such as parts of Mexico, Myanmar, and Peru.) In the UK, a woman will only get to prison on a 'minor' crime such as burglary if that is the tenth such minor crime she has been convicted of. Statistics to the contrary will always include those who are on probation but have never been to prison, and even then, that is where a judge is forced to give a custodial sentence by law.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/22 10:15 AM
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Almost none of the mothers in prison were living with their children when they were incarcerated. Of those that were, around half are in prison for offences against children. The whole motherhood excuse is just a heart-string pulling lie. Women's prisons - including the largest of them, in London - have been closed without building extra capacity. Closing prisons because prisons are being closed sounds like an argument every criminal would make. Longer sentences for women are linked with lower r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/22 09:56 AM
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It is a movement gaining ground globally, with central funding within UN circles. The UK's Baroness Corston summed up the kind of thinking behind it when she announced that equality doesn't mean treating everyone the same. Meanwhile, William Collins of empathygap.uk determined that if men in the judicial system were treated like women, only one in six male prison inmates would be in prison.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/22 09:51 AM
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All you'll know from posting in TwoX is how quickly you can be banned. I certainly can't imagine that feminists get many approaches from men anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/22 03:25 AM
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What about people who feel shocked at being sent unsolicited pictures of a face? Should we ban all face pics because some people are offended by them? Note: nobody is saying dick pics are a good idea, nor that people don't have a right to be offended by whatever they choose. But that doesn't automatically make them a victim, nor does it necessarily mean that making what offends them illegal is the right approach.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/22 03:24 AM
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And spread hate in the other direction too. It's all about smashing apart rather than building together.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 12:48 AM
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I still don't understand how people conflate an incel with a woman hater. If somebody hates women then surely their celibacy is not involuntary. Anyway, let's not adopt a feminist mindset here by thinking that someone - of either sex - who can't get laid has any kind of ideological group membership. Leave that intersectional crap to those who enjoy wallowing in crap.
/r/MensRights26/07/22 04:43 PM
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Being a rude brat is not a masculine way forward.
/r/MensRights26/07/22 02:28 PM
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When MRAs try to fix things, it is mostly feminists who get in the way. They demonstrate and campaign against us merely talking about men's issues. They noisily disrupt meetings discussing men's issues and do not stop at illegal activities just so that men (and caring women) are unable to fix men's problems. When we push for legislation to help men and children, feminists resist us with every trick and turn and lie. So when feminists say that men should fix men's problems, do not pay the slighte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/22 11:17 AM
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But if there was no child support, parents would have an incentive to let the other parent share in the child's upbringing, since that would be the only way to share in the child's upkeep. That doesn't fit with wanting to force children away from parents, which is the Marxist/feminist objective implemented by every government for several decades.
/r/MensRights25/07/22 02:41 PM
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There was an attempt at something like this by the father's rights movement in USA back before the internet days. That's not to say it shouldn't have another airing. I think the Trust concept is going to be too expensive. Parent spends $1 on a new school pen, sends the receipt in which must then be manually checked. Say that takes 3 minutes of a clerk's time to verify and record, charged out at $50 per hour = $2.50. Child support suddenly isn't going very far. And there is still no check made th…
/r/MensRights25/07/22 11:33 AM
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When there is so much work to be done on important human rights issues for men and children, why would anyone want to pretend that there are even more rights missing, by campaigning on things where men already have rights? Is this some feminist 5th column attempt to further weaken the effort MRAs make?
/r/MensRights24/07/22 10:07 PM
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With all the things we have to struggle with to get men the human rights they deserve, I think this is such a non-issue it can be shelved for a decade or two. There are so many important matters that are killing men & children, can we concentrate on priorities?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 08:09 PM
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Bollocks. My dear late mother was as thick as two short planks. My siblings and I have high IQs thanks to our brainy father. I'm not saying intelligence only comes from the father but it clearly does not only come from the mother.
/r/MensRights24/07/22 07:59 PM
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You’re talking about ww2 which was more that 80 years ago. The internet as we know it is 40 years old. Schools were segregated 60 years ago. Women didn’t have the right to vote just over 100 years ago. Things can change. The need for conscripted service can change too. WW2 ended 77 years ago. One of the worst mistakes we can make is failing to learn from history, whether of last week or last century. In my nation, schools have not been segregated and women gained universal suffrage at the same t…
/r/MensRights24/07/22 07:09 PM
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If it hadn't been for conscription, my national flag today might be the Swastika. As terrible as war is, sometimes conscription is the only fair way to select which of us must risk all for the general good. The problem, in societies that pretend they are based on equality, is that most do not conscript women.
/r/MensRights24/07/22 03:40 PM
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Illegal, or even antisocial, activities can always constrain a person's human rights. Having bodily integrity doesn't mean you can do what you like with your body. It means that nobody else has the right to alter your body without your prior informed consent.
/r/MensRights24/07/22 03:28 PM
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We all need to make it clear to all parties that men's issues are a vote catcher. The simplest way is to ask our politicians - regardless of party - what they are doing (and keep asking) and at every election, tell every candidate that our vote will go to whoever best supports the rights of men & children.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 03:07 PM
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Well done for taking action. The more who do, the more the message will filter through that mdv is an issue which is important to the electorate. No party is going to care about an issue if they don't think there are votes in it, particularly not on the face of (taxpayer funded) feminist lobbying. I would encourage putting aside party politics on men's issues campaigns. NO party is pro-male (other than the Family & Children Party) and it helps to put men and children ahead of party colours. The …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 03:02 PM
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Even if not Catholic, you might find the Freed From Feminism podcast of interest to help sort out your mind. A couple of housewives discuss, sometimes with scholars, how to live in a post-feminist world in opposition to feminism. https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkLnBvZGJlYW4uY29tL2ZyZWVkZnJvbWZlbWluaXNtL2ZlZWQueG1s
/r/AntiFeminists24/07/22 05:02 AM
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Feminism wants to pretend biology doesn't exist, too. It is a fundamental mistake to believe that thousands of generations of selective breeding can be ignored at the whim of an ideology. We are what we are. One indicator of whether something is biological rather than cultural is to look around the world. Men chase women, women select from the highest status men who chase them. Men therefore have to show fearlessness and resourcefulness.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 10:41 PM
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We can do a lot about it. MRAs are fighting for men's and children's rights every day.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 10:33 PM
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It can be hard to separate human rights inequalities from social expectations. The two go hand in hand to some extent.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 10:30 PM
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In what country do you think men have legal equality to women? Not in any Western nation, for sure.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 10:27 PM
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If you think men have equality, you have a lot more learning to do than merely about something as under your control as dating. I mean no insult - I just want you to be prepared for a huge change in outlook.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 10:24 PM
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The tough news for you is that nothing of what you mention is going to be fixed this week, this year, and probably not this decade. You recognise that respect is a key. It is important that men are considered as people and as people who, by default, deserve respect. That is a battle picked and joined, from which can flow a great deal. In working out how to win that battle, we can see that we need respect - legal and social - for our bodies. So long as we don't even own our bodies, getting wider …
/r/MensRights23/07/22 06:59 PM
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That is very far from typical. What you describe is actually very rare, just as is penidictomy (though entire penis removal is not unknown from botched male circumcision, even in developed nations).
/r/MensRights23/07/22 06:46 PM
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The African campaign against men is run by the WHO based on just three studies which disagree with almost all others. Two of the three studies are just a joke. I looked into the third one, because it looked all proper, over time, with enough subjects and a control group. I was puzzled as to how they came to such unusual conclusion that circumcision cut HIV and only persevered because it was so starkly opposite most studies. I had to delve right into the study details, to the budget level, and th…
/r/MensRights23/07/22 05:39 PM
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You will be hard pressed to find any country where women have no rights. Do not fall for feminist propaganda about other countries, just because you do not know the conditions there.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 05:24 PM
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Write to you medical provider, your doctor, the hospital administration (and copy your politicians). From what I've heard, it only takes one medical mutilator along the route to get their hands on your child and it can be done before you can stop it. The idea of a notice on clothing sounds great.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 05:21 PM
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Feminists in the UN specifically excluded males from the campaign against genital mutilation. Never expect feminists to stand for anyone's rights if they can see harm coming to males.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 05:11 PM
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Look into the statistics on the number of boys growing up with poorly functioning penises because of infant circumcision. Look into the statistics on the number of infant boys who die from infant circumcision. Isn't the medical practice supposed to believe in "do no harm"? Sure, where there is a medical need, people may have to have some part of themselves cut off, whether that's a toe, an arm, or a foreskin; that doesn't excuse chopping bits off without medical need.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 05:08 PM
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'looks better' is a matter of cultural expectation. To women brought up in a society of intact men, and who know the fun of playing with a foreskin, the circumcised penis looks odd and mutilated.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 05:00 PM
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If men are ever to be granted equality under the law, or ever to be considered as persons in society, their bodily integrity is a necessary step. What an informed adult man chooses to do with his body is up to him. But lying to him with flawed studies to show supposed benefits of chopping his dick, or chopping his dick while he cannot give informed consent, is against basic human rights. Not everyone in the men's rights movement will make MGM a priority but we should acknowledge the need to reso…
/r/MensRights23/07/22 04:53 PM
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Most FGM is a lot less damaging than typical MGM.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 04:40 PM
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Why doesn't it make you want to do something about it? Is there anything that would make you want to help other men?
/r/MensRights22/07/22 07:16 PM
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LOL - just couldn't resist firing off what she thinks of as an insult to my masculinity. Feminist to the core.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 04:55 PM
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You're back with your self-identification again. If you can't get sex and want it, you're an incel. It's as simple as that. You can identify it however you like but you are at a forum where reality counts, not your delusions.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 04:39 PM
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You are looking at things through a feminist lens. More men are stoned and whipped than women. Men have an obligation to escort their womenfolk, pretty much as and when the women want. The Taliban do not believe in mixed education (a lot of educators in the West speak against it, too) and for a while after taking over from the mess the West left behind, they did indeed close all schools (reported as 'closing schools for girls') while reorganization of the schools was undertaken. The West destroy…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 04:32 PM
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You are confusing difference with inequality. For example, in Afghanistan (where the Taliban has already built more girls' schools than the West in all their years of occupation) the man of the household must provide for all the women. Even if a woman has her own income or inheritance, she is not obliged to pay for herself. The 'man' is the oldest male and might be a boy of 9 or 10 - which often leads to him prostituting himself to support the poor, oppressed women. Matters are not as the femini…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 08:26 AM
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Incel is short for involuntarily celibate, something many women are complaining about. Get educated, and stop with the feminist propaganda.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 08:15 AM
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Rubbish. Feminism rose in COUNTERPOINT to egalitarianism, not as a branch of it.
/r/AntiFeminists21/07/22 03:51 AM
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Get an education, then you will be able to have rational discussion. So long as your only source of information is feminist propaganda, you are brainwashed, not educated.
/r/AntiFeminists21/07/22 03:49 AM
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He refers to the leading feminist authors, the feminist teachings, and the activities of feminist organisations. If your feminism differs from the feminism that is infecting the world, it is your minor definition that is faulty, not that of those who deal with reality.
/r/AntiFeminists21/07/22 03:44 AM
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Do you identify men’s rights in the same way? The struggle for men's human rights is not an ideology in the same way. However, of course I treat all movements in the same kind of way. If some incel is to write a book about how evil women supposedly are and label it as a men’s rights publication, is men’s rights an incel movement? If Men's Rights organisations, leading authors on men's human rights, and courses around the world all agree, then it would only be right to define the MRM by them. If …
/r/MensRights21/07/22 03:24 AM
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I do not accept self-identification. I identify feminism by the actions of feminist organisations, the teaching of feminism, and the writings in the best selling feminist books. Whatever your concept of feminism is, if it disagrees with all of this you are deluding yourself if you think your feminism is the true one.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 12:13 AM
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I am interested to know of any women's sport competitions where the women's sport and men's sport have been joined so that they can be equal. There are a few sports which have always been combined, notably in equine, but I know of none where feminists campaign for equality in sports with men.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 12:10 AM
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I was not accusing you of being a feminist and I'm sorry if what I wrote sremed like such an insult. I still wonder whether you have examined the rights of women in the middle East, for example, because when I have looked into countries, I certainly find a difference in rights but not necessarily an overall inequality.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 12:07 AM
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It’s reasonable to want gender equality ... Perhaps, but the author is talking of feminism, not gender equality.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:50 PM
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Let us not mention that women's happiness is going down decade by decade. Let us not mention that in the 1950s many households could be supported on the man's income alone but now it takes two adults to support most households. Let us not to mention the rising suicide rates. Let us not mention the plummeting birth rates. Sure, feminism is great isn't it? /s
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:36 PM
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It is bad to inflate feminism with women. Personally if I know it is a feminist approaching I will deliberately shut the door on them and it doesn't matter whether they are female or male.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:32 PM
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I would not suggest trying it but part of the problem for people is being suckered into courses like gender studies. They are incredibly manipulative and persuasive, making full use of psychological warfare techniques to brainwash students.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:29 PM
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I don't think it's really matters whether it's a woman or a man. If they are feminist, they are part of the problem and they will be screwing up personal relations just as much as community and social relations.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:26 PM
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... the feminazi ideals will die out Oh, we wish! Having spent generations screwing up society, there is no way the feminist movement will be stopping the $billions and quitting now they are 70% of the way towards the real goal.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:22 PM
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If you know it is a feminist approaching, I suggest making a point of closing the door in their face.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:16 PM
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In most countries, feminism did not fight for the vote. There is a reason why suffrage and suffragette societies formed independently of the feminist organisations that existed at the time.
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:14 PM
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Where are these places you say women 'have very little rights' and have you researched independently, or are you just parroting feminist propaganda?
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:12 PM
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Feminists fight many things that would benefit men or children even it would also benefit women
/r/MensRights18/07/22 03:30 AM
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There are many women who advocate and even activate for men's rights. None of them are feminists
/r/MensRights18/07/22 03:27 AM
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Are the feminists saying that she only shot male Nazis? What about the female Nazis, such as those guarding the death camps, organising the extermination if Russian POWs, or involved in the plundering of occupied Russia?
/r/AntiFeminists17/07/22 07:42 AM
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Try ACTIVELY supporting men. You will soon discover why men's rights advocates have to be antifeminist. You can't be a supporter of feminism and a supporter of men's & children's rights. (Increasingly, I am finding women who say you can't be a supporter of feminism and a supporter of women's rights but that's a digression). As for this sub being anti-woman: I think there are three answers to that (1) some posters here confuse women and feminists; (2) perhaps you are misinterpreting some of the a…
/r/MensRights14/07/22 07:47 PM
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The picking of left or right is easy to degrade into unhelpful tribalism. There is no benefit in pointing a finger at half the population, pretending that they all agree on something just because, when it comes to a vote, they must choose one side or the other. All that matters is where - on any specific campaign - we can find allies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/22 01:32 PM
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In a society that allows for the killing of children rather than the inconvenience of the parents (particularly the mother) I think the general disposability of children is inevitable.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 12:58 PM
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I'm not sure which country you are talking about. In all western countries I can think of women have equal pay. Perhaps you are thinking of the push for female quotas? If so, the excuse is that women at the top will help promotion of women throughout the organisation. However, the International Labor Organisation did a study on this, looking at countries where quotas had been in place for a while and (despite being a left-leaning organisation) reported that having women at the top had no effect …
/r/MensRights12/07/22 09:25 PM
2

Thank you for some perspective.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 06:10 PM
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Not only is she unlikely to get into counselling, since she probably doesn't see her misandry as a problem, but so long as men like the OP are willing to stay in a relationship, they are reinforcing that it is alright to be misandric. Sure, try and get her some counselling but the OP also needs to leave, for both their sakes.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 06:05 PM
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That last phrase is very important. If you stay with somebody who deeply hates you, you can only fit into her world by joining her hate. To avoid being screwed up yourself, you have to concentrate on self preservation and self-respect.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 05:57 PM
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The trouble I have with this advice is that by the time she comes out of counselling, you are not likely to be by the man she wants and needs. She is far better going into counselling single, sorting herself out and then looking for the right man for her - assuming the counselling sort out her misandry.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 05:52 PM
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If you had a best friend talk to you you about a situation such as you are in, what would your advice to be to then? My guess is, you would tell them to take the hit on their emotions, leave and get over it. Be your own best friend - leave, take the hit on your emotion and you will get over it. Your self-respect demands that you do not keep associating with somebody who thinks so badly of you.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 05:48 PM
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If there is no such thing as a moderate feminist sub that will tolerate such a question then the OP needs to examine the premise of the question.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 08:35 AM
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I think it is important to emphasise that (whilst there is no one characteristic that defines all of them) a common characteristic that defines many is being brought up in a fatherless home. It is worth expanding on this to point out: it shows that masculinity is not the problem but lack of masculinity is a problem for us all.
/r/MensRights12/07/22 01:44 AM
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I had no idea it was that many. Had I been asked to guess, I probably would have said about 50. Thanks for the information.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 07:02 PM
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The knowledgeable feminists are not so much refusing to acknowledge what is going on, but simply hiding their planned intentions and the reasons why they are promoting hatred within society.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 06:59 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, incel is not sex specific. I use the word occasionally to describe women who aren't getting sex but want it. Don't let feminists control the narrative.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 06:57 PM
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Oh, no, when it comes to stereotypes against men, they know exactly what a man is. It is only women that they are unable to define.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 06:54 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights? Why not try asking on one of the moderate feminist subs?
/r/MensRights11/07/22 06:43 PM
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Who says they do?
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 06:33 PM
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I didn't say it wasn't about rights but the rights they're interested in are not what the majority of the population want. We want equal rights, or perhaps essentialist rights. Feminism is not in anybody's interests other than a select few who are trying to do the power grab.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 05:06 PM
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You mistake the ultimate purpose of feminism if you think it stops when women have equality. Already, it is stepping up the number of attacks on women
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 12:33 PM
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Get an education on a subject before pontificating about it.
/r/AntiFeminists11/07/22 12:28 PM
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I realise that the book is aimed against men but it is not really coming from women in general. It would be more appropriate to say it is coming from feminism and that is what should be targeted. I think it's much more appropriate to write the book called DAFT Destroy A Feminist Today.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 12:21 PM
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In most countries false accusers stand a very small chance of being prosecuted. Women (and even men these days) are learning from this and are too often willing to take the risk. Furthermore, accusations are often made in a Family Court, not a Criminal Court, and such an accusation never has to be proved - and can easily be withdrawn if ever the police look into it - but the damage at Family Court will have been achieved.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 12:13 PM
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Yes, that is why I excluded people like Boko Haram. My point is, that although in the USA you may not hear much of it, there are social and school shootings occurring around the world. The last one I looked into in any depth was in Finland.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 12:04 PM
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You appear to be confused in thinking that because feminism is is a left ideology, that therefore left wing politics and philosophy is about feminism. This is not so. It is entirely consistent to believe in shared social services and politics based on egalitarianism, and be vehemently opposed to feminism. It is entirely consistent to support the rights of men and children, and yet have a political stance different to yours. This is very important to realise, because there is no point trying to a…
/r/MensRights10/07/22 09:29 AM
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There is no way I could hope to detail that in a reply to a post here. I suggest you read posts here and in other men's rights forums. Or you could simply start to be vocal and active in supporting men's rights. You will soon learn.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 09:09 AM
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In most countries feminism was never about suffrage. That is why women created suffragette societies - because feminism was not doing the job. In most countries it was not feminism that got equality in the workplace and equal pay. That is why the women's liberation movement arose (and it was incredibly successful while it lasted). The women's liberation movement was not run by the feminist organisations that pre-existed.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 09:05 AM
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Feminism never tried to get equality for everybody. The concept arose in the mid 19th century as a counterpoint to egalitarianism.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 09:01 AM
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I think it is important to recognise that by the definition used here, feminism was always against some women. Because feminism is misandric in nature, it is easy to assume that therefore it is pro-female. Actually, feminism is against most men's, children's and women's interests and rights.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 08:55 AM
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It is impossible to gain equal rights without addressing everybody's rights. Equal rights have never been attained, nor has that ever been the goal of feminism.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 08:52 AM
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And yet also too narrow. Feminism does not support all women, nor was it ever intended to.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 08:50 AM
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It seems that way but actually feminism has its own narrow worldview that is in opposition to a great many women, as well as men and children.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 08:39 AM
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According to most feminist books on the philosophy of feminism, sure. More specifically, Marxism.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 08:37 AM
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It is not what any definition is that is important to MRAs, It is the interference and unremitting opposition to the rights of men and children that is pertinent.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 08:35 AM
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That is spreading to all countries, having originated at the United Nations.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 05:09 AM
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And I know at least one female who was the victim of feminist death threats made by women (because she supported men).
/r/MensRights10/07/22 05:07 AM
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The seem to be more prevalent there but they occur around the world. And that's without considering the likes of Boko Haram, whose death toll in school killings makes anything in the USA look tiny.
/r/MensRights10/07/22 05:03 AM
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I never meant to imply something about what you said. I think a good starting point is the lack of masculinity in children's upbringing, particularly boys. Brought up by single mothers, particularly the type who reject men and natural masculinity, these boys never had a chance to learn self discipline and develop rational thinking. I recall a documentary over 20 years ago about the trouble with African elephants because poachers had killed their fathers. If we can recognise that lack of fatherin…
/r/MensRights10/07/22 04:59 AM
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What do mass shootings say about men? Nothing, and were it not for feminist agitation, it would not be a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 10:01 AM
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That most geniuses are men does not mean that men are geniuses. That most shooters are men does not mean that men are shooters.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 09:52 AM
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From my own simple research, which hasn't even delved beyond the media, there are two to things that stand out to me amongst shooters, whether male or female and regardless of colour. (1) they are illegal drug users and (2) they were previously known to have mental health issues.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 09:49 AM
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And especially evidence of shootings worldwide including from Asia and Africa. If your reaction to that is is "well, of course in Africa and Asia it won't be white people," then you have part of your answer why it is mostly white people in some other countries.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 09:44 AM
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Just to make it clear to everybody: It is not that masculinity is toxic, it is the absence of masculinity that is toxic.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 09:42 AM
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You are mistaken in thinking that's feminism is in anyway social freedom to anybody. Perhaps you need to talk to those who escaped the USSR, or are living in China, or Cuba. Since feminism is directly against the nuclear family there is no way you can combine feminism with traditional 1950s style caring. Feminism has done all it can to destroy the healthy family.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 09:34 AM
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Exactly. Imagine if society collectively provided for stay at home parents so that it would be possible for these women to become SAHM’s like they want without suffering financially? Kind of like back to the situation in the 1950s, then, when most working men could support a wife and 2.5 children. Back to the days before modern feminism convinced women that working for someone - anyone - other than their husband and children was freedom, while being at home effectively paid by their husband was …
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 11:29 PM
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Thanks.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 07:12 PM
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In the UK men are asked certain questions about abuse. The answers all get added up and reported under the heading of violence against women and girls!
/r/MensRights08/07/22 05:25 PM
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If the law said that only men can be at fault in a car accident then it would be no surprise that 99% of car accidents are caused by men.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 05:23 PM
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In a way, laughing it off might be considered more personally healthy then letting it sit and stew in your mind. That doesn't make it any more or less acceptable but I do feel sometimes women should just get over it in the way men have to, rather than make a big deal of something. Nobody should have to 'get over it' of course, regardless of sex.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 05:22 PM
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What does 'based' mean in this context please? I don't know know if it is my age or my location but I'm not familiar with this usage of the word, though I have seen it around recently.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 04:42 PM
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So long as you don't live in a western (feminist) society.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 04:39 PM
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And vice-versa, of course.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 04:37 PM
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If you read back to your support for a previous poster's stance, you will see that it is indeed a social policy that is being discussed.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 04:36 PM
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Quite so.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 04:27 PM
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I'm going to be so happy if one day it is generally realised that said patriarchy, which is just social norms mostly propagated by women, advantage both men and, especially, women.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 03:53 PM
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It is obviously true that some men abused financial power. It is obviously true that some women abuse financial power. There is evidence that who earns the money has little to do do with who abuses the power over it. Trying to use a minority of abuse as an excuse for a social policy forced upon everybody is sickening and damaging.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 03:49 PM
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Even the Baron Engles noted that many men would return home with their wage packets and hand it all straight over to their wives. I don't accept the screwing around with society based on false premises.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 03:41 PM
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What makes it nicer? Just because he appears to agree with you? That's exactly your problem here. Some of the nicest people I know strongly disagree with certain views I hold but that doesn't change my opinion of how nice they are.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 03:35 PM
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I also value women's rights. One of my current campaigns is to improve the rights of women as well as men and children. Of course, I still have feminism fighting against me but I'm used to that and what I will not do is trying to depress women's rights by supporting feminism.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 03:33 PM
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You are suggesting a very poor way of learning about feminism. In my experience it makes sense to read a feminist book once or twice a year and to work on men's rights. Campaigning on men's or children's rights will almost always bring you in contact with feminists opposing those rights, so you learn quite a lot about feminism that way.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 03:30 PM
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Why do you assume that people here do not look at feminist boards and discussions and think about it from their perspective? What is there about this Sub that makes you feel entitled to presume we do not know about feminists and what they say? Or is it just your ignorance that tells us to do what we are already doing, as they are accusing us of something?
/r/MensRights08/07/22 03:26 PM
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You say that despite knowing that most women currently employed admit they would prefer to give up the job if it were not for needing the money? Well, ok, you think most women are not in their right mind. I disagree: I think they have their priorities pretty well set. Do you also think that those men who are dependant upon their employer are like a child and not in their right mind? Or do you imagine somehow that a man out of the house for over 50 hours a week to earn money - most of which he wi…
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 01:42 PM
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The difference is understanding what a man must do as an individual, and how society must be configured so that both men and women can live in harmony. While men whining about things can be less than helpful, it is very much men's prerogative and need to care for the structure that we all live under. If our forefathers took Scott Adams' advice, we would still all be living in caves and fighting over scraps.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 11:37 AM
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When/where in the bronze age did anybody have the cultural equivalent of SCUM or #killallmen? I think it is only in the modern age that misandry has ever been so bad.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 11:31 AM
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Marx argues that motherhood should be paid for because according to Marxism the only thing that has any value you is what people get paid for. (I suspect this derives from Marx and his buddy the Baron Engles being middle to upper-class and brought up buy servants who were paid for.) It is not the real world. In reality mothers who are supported to stay at home are in fact recompensed by the efforts of the man who is out earning money. It is not so much that the capitalist system deems work in th…
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 11:09 AM
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I'm going to be kind to you and explain a little about how the world of feminism works. I'll do this because beyond knowing that you are not debating in good faith, I don't know much about you (and I'm not a stalker enough to bother finding out). One of the tactics deployed by many feminists is to come and waste the time of people who are trying to build a healthy society. You love to engage us in pointless and endless contortions of discussion but you have no intention to change your mind, no i…
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 09:29 AM
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I told you a long time ago go that I don't trust that you are debating in good faith. If you paid attention (my gosh what a concept) then you would not be expecting me to debate with you. Now, are you going to piss off out of this sub? Or are you going to start debating by your own rules, let alone mine?
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 08:29 AM
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I do wish people would stop conflating feminism with women. Some of the most of vocal antifeminists are women, and the originators of modern feminism - cultural Marxism - were all men.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 08:25 AM
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Cultural Marxism/feminism has, as one of its main objectives, the intent to break up the nuclear family. Harmony in the home is antithesis to this. Marxism makes it hard to attack the man for working, so it is the woman who is attacked because motherhood is seen as unproductive. It is one of the many areas in which feminism and feminists attack women. It is a mistake to think that because feminism is misandrist it therefore supports women. Feminism only supports it's own narrow worldview, which …
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 08:20 AM
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Uhhh yeah, exactly. So provide the source
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 08:06 AM
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I think it's not just inhibitions. Boys and men just don't recognise some of the things that happen to them as assault. From getting our backside slapped, to an uninvited kiss, we just shrug it off. It's 'normal' and not to be made a fuss about. But do that to a woman and you could well find a letter of termination coming, with a chance of it being reported to the police.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 12:27 AM
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Eww. I wouldn't want to touch such a girl with a barge pole.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 12:18 AM
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You clearly don't understand how this works. If you make a claim you have to back it up. That is how debate in good faith works. Or anyone can claim anything.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 11:54 PM
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The other animals don't deserve it.
/r/MensRights07/07/22 10:07 PM
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Yes. This is a 40-year old case not something that's happened this week.
/r/MensRights07/07/22 10:05 PM
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One of the factors that took me off the fence on the abortion issue was the realisation that aborting the pre-born child is just the start. When I met the phrase "post-birth abortion" in United Nations circles, that is when I became an anti abortionist.
/r/MensRights07/07/22 10:03 PM
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I think all humans have a tendency to chauvinism greed and narcissism. That's why so many laws and social rules created by men restricted men - even more than they restricted women. Lately of course, almost all restrictions on women have disappeared.
/r/MensRights07/07/22 09:58 PM
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Good analogy. I'll try to remember that one.
/r/MensRights07/07/22 09:55 PM
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Look through my comment history.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 05:20 PM
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You are making the claim that feminism supports men. Prove it.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 12:04 PM
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The recent (lack of) reaction to the limitations on civil liberties around the world, in the name of a slight medical threat, would seem to show that most people will sacrifice freedom for a hint of added security. I don't like it but we need to learn from the evidence.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 12:01 PM
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No, the burden of proof is upon you: you are the one doubting my statement so you prove your doubt. I no longer give you creedence for debating in good faith so I'm not going to waste my time with you.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 08:33 AM
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That's why I hesitated to even bother giving you one example: anything I say you would be in denial about. Get yourself educated.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 08:00 AM
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What?? Can't you read an entire forum full? Ok I will play your game just once. Feminists worldwide and internationally campaign against the recognition of parental alienation. Parental alienation harms the rights of men, women and children and causes horrible personal and social damage that is proven to carry from one generation to the next. However recognising parental alienation, and dealing with its specific issues, would strengthen the family and would punish those breaking up families; so …
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 07:18 AM
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That's exactly what I have done! I've looked at the definition used by the major feminist organisations. It is their impact on society that defines what feminism is .. but if you don't like that, just read the major feminist books, such as those used for teaching feminist studies at universities .. but if you don't like that, then study the impact of feminist organisations and leading feminist individuals to understand the effect of feminists. I have spent 20 years trying not to deal with femini…
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 01:08 AM
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You do realize that no man can get out of paying child support by relinquishing responsibility to the child, right? You do realise that the child does not even have to be his for him to be made legally responsible right? If he is unable to pay for the child, he literally can be put in prison for it. If he wants to be involved with the child he must pay for, this is, in most countries, an entirely separate process. Now you know the facts, we all here look forward to you joining the effort to make…
/r/MensRights07/07/22 12:58 AM
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"women have higher pain tolerance" yet "giving birth is awful enough for women to want to kill the child". Yeah, so which is it.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 12:41 AM
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Have a look at what feminist organisations say. They have a different idea of feminism to you. They remain close to the statement of objectives that feminism has had since its inception. If you want to support equality you need to stop supporting feminism. You might want to take a look at egalitarianism.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 12:27 AM
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Not according to major feminist bodies around the world, it isn't. Even less by anyone studying the actions of organised feminists.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 12:23 AM
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And let us be clear that 'smaller than average' is by definition what half of us have.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/22 02:55 PM
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I agree that they increase social inequalities but it seems clear from the picture that they care enough about immutable characteristics to make a point of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/22 02:53 PM
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If they just want to abort because they don't want to be pregnant or have a child, that is completely different. That is 97% of abortions. Even IF a state won't permit a mother's life to be saved where possible (and I know of no such place) is it better to kill 100 children to save 3 women, or better to let 3 women die to save 100 children? Bear in mind that this is hypothetical, as women's health is regarded as extremely important world wide. Also, as you think of the moral dilemma, have a thou…
/r/MensRights06/07/22 02:41 PM
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I suggest you have a look at Ohio's laws.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 02:31 PM
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It's not an obvious message. I assume it is about feminism telling women they should break free of bonding with a man, being a mother, caring about home and family.. all part of their nature and without which women are continuing a decline into unhappiness. But I fathom that out from a lot of studies of women, families and society; I don't think this picture gets it across clearly. Indeed, my first thought was that maybe the message is anti-nudism!
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/22 02:28 PM
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I see no confusion. He was talking about loose women and feminists, not about egalitarians.
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/22 02:20 PM
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There are other threads on this, particularly in r/antifeminism. Do not be fooled into thinking there is such a thing as benign feminism, though there are people who support feminism without understanding what it is.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 09:15 AM
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It is a simple as starting out from that basis. There will always be corner cases but currently over 97% of abortions have nothing to do with ectopic pregnancy or rape, so let's stick to what the moral problem is.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 09:03 AM
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We agree then that the bodily integrity of the child must supersede the claims for bodily integrity of the mother because the child's right to life comes first.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 08:58 AM
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The whole nonsense about describing the killing of a child for the mother's convenience as 'healthcare' is just disgusting.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 08:56 AM
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I suggest you have a look at the laws rather than just pay attention to your favourite propaganda source. With the latest news of the 10-year old girl, for example, I looked into Ohio's laws and it is very clear to me that a girl who clearly does not have a body that can safely carry a baby to term can have an abortion. So when you remove all of the lies what you are then left with is that you are placing women's convenience over children's lives - and to me, that is unacceptable.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 08:53 AM
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A closed mind cannot be enlightened. I see no contention with caring about children enough not to want to inject them with blood clot serum as well as not to want to harm them by chopping up their genitals. Indeed I see a problem with somebody who pretends to care about children enough to be aware of not to inject them with a harmful serum but does not care about children enough to subject them to harmful and dangerous and unnecessary body modification. If you are willing to do enough research t…
/r/MensRights06/07/22 08:44 AM
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I suppose you did not see the medical benefits of a circumcision? Keep reading. I am well aware that there are some reports that that claim such. The vast majority of studies and statistical evidence is that circumcision increases risk of everything from STIs to cancer. Do your research thoroughly, don't just cherry-pick. genital mutilation I use the term genital mutilation because that is the term that the world health organisation originally applied and it is the term still used today for the …
/r/MensRights06/07/22 08:37 AM
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A woman has the right to choose regardless of abortion laws. Her moment to choose is the same as a man's: before she has sex. Feminists have been telling men for decades that if they do not want a child "they should keep it in their pants". That is when men must decide. Now that women are being asked (by men & women) to make the same decision, it is claimed that this is not equality and that this is men trying to control women's bodies.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 01:15 AM
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Oh you mean like their campaigns in Sweden, Greece, New South Wales (Australia) and probably other places I've missed? They have certainly given it a go and in Australia at one point it looked like they might win. (It's that kind of thing that sickens me when people say the MRM does nothing; they are just not aware of all the things the men's movement fights feminism over.)
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:57 AM
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However I define bodily integrity will certainly include the right to life. Without the right to life, there can be no right to bodily integrity.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:39 AM
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So you are saying that Ireland does have equal bodily autonomy? I asked you which countries you claim do not have equal or greater bodily autonomy for women.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:37 AM
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There is evidence that shockwaves damage internal organs. This especially applies to lungs and testicles as well ovum but with the ovum, I understand it does not repair itself. There is, or was, some research being done in relation even to loud disco music, with the thought that this could be a factor in women's reduced fertility.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:21 AM
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As a woman recently wrote on another thread, carrying a child for 9 months is nothing compared to having to work up to 15 hours a week for 18 years for that child, that you might never even get the right to see.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:14 AM
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Similar laws apply in a great many countries. Known by various names, they are all concentrating on the principle that it is best for a child to be able to be abandoned without punishing the mother, than to risk even more mothers killing their children. The point as it relates to this topic is that this is a choice only the mother may make - a father may not legally take a baby and drop it to be cared for by somebody else; he will be forced to comply with her decision, even if he would have love…
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:09 AM
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That's not exactly a legal right and in some Scandinavian countries they have even talked about legally taking it away as a right.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:59 PM
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A woman who 'finds herself pregnant' has already exercised her bodily autonomy and she already had the equal decision point to a man to not have a child. By the time she is pregnant there is another life to consider and that life's bodily integrity is also important.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:58 PM
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This is laughable. Whenever you accept that a person becomes a man, if he has had his genitals mutilated at any prior time he immediately becomes a man who does not have have bodily autonomy because he cannot put his foreskin back on. You're just attempting to nitpick with words here.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:54 PM
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So name your country where you think men have greater bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:48 PM
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That's the feminist claim but I'm not convinced. You might be thinking of countries like Afghanistan where, for example, it is the role of the man of the house to pay for the household. Even if a woman has her own income or inheritance money, she is not obliged to use any of that money for the household. 'Man of the House' could be the oldest child and it doesn't matter how young he is: which is why we see 9 year old boys selling themselves for sex work to support a household of 5 women. Sure, w…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:43 PM
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"Men can get a no-questions-asked vasectomy..." Nope. My doctor insisted on a joint interview with my wife.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:35 PM
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In those few States which do not permit free and open abortion, women are now equal to men in that they must decide before sex whether they want a child. Feminists have been saying for decades to men "if you don't want a child keep it in your pants". Now women are being told if they don't want a child to keep their legs crossed somehow this is seen as less than equal when actually it is the loss of privilege they are complaining about.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:28 PM
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That depends on whose body you consider.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:17 PM
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If you look at ALL the reports on things like UTIs, cancer, HIV and the rest, you will see that most studies conclude that lacking a foreskin slightly increases the risk of these. When you take into the account the risk of death and and severe impairment caused by infant circumcision, then even the claimed benefits disappear by comparison.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 10:51 PM
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In my opinion there's no need to do either. Why introduce blood clots serum? Why chop off some skin that actually can help cleanliness - just as the eyelids do - even though some simple care are on cleaning is necessary – just as it is with the eyelids.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 10:46 PM
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Vaccines in general, yes, because there are recognised benefits that outweigh the risks. The COVID 'vaccines' I would specifically exclude. But the difference here is medical safety. Even most of these reports that try to convince the public that genital mutilation has health benefits do not compare the claimed benefits to the numbers of boys who died or have severely impaired penises as a result of circumcision. Most reports are quite clear that when it comes to to things like STIs and cancer, …
/r/MensRights05/07/22 10:43 PM
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It's in a comment of his here. One of the rationales given is to save his son from having it done later - clearly without a care for the aspect of consent, or any thought that his son simply wouldn't have it done. I respect the OP for asking and for engaging here. He is doing so from his own bias but politely and I think with as open a mind as could be hoped.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 04:03 PM
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It is not about victimising people. There is no campaign to give people recompense for having been circumcised. This is a campaign to have human rights of boys recognised. Part of the entire problem with having men's human rights recognised is that society doesn't even care about the male person. Getting an acknowledgement that human rights belong to infant boys – just as it does to infant girls – is an important step for general men's rights.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:55 PM
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Please make sure you have all the facts before you do. Even if you have medical reasons, there are often alternate ways to deal with the issue. I had mine done for medical reasons, have regretted it and wished I had had explained to me that alternatives were available.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:44 PM
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The WHO, part of the feminist United Nations, not only recommends it but promotes it on the basis of three flawed studies which disagree with hundreds of studies showing that circumcision is not generally helpful or healthy.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:41 PM
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So what you're saying is you do not know any better. You do not know what you have lost and how much better things could be for you. I'm sorry for you.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:33 PM
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The problem is is that somebody who has been circumcised and has not taken the time to really study the pros and cons of the issue just sees it as something normal. They're not aware of what they have lost and presume that doing it to their children means their children won't lose anything. It's a question of education, hopefully education before mutilation.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:31 PM
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I too had mine done as an adult for the same reason. I just wish it had been explained to me that phimosis could be solved by stretching and I could have stayed intact. From what I hear, it would have been a lot less painful and a lot more satisfactory.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:28 PM
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I think the issue of whether it is healthy or not is important. Parents must necessarily do things for their children for the sake of the child's health. The evidence is clear on circumcision because although there are some reports here and there which say circumcision is healthy, the vast majority of studies and statistical evidence shows that it is not.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:23 PM
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That is oddly one of the simplest and truest points. I doubt it can convince a circumcisionist, though.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:19 PM
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They do it without anaesthetic, when the boy cannot consent, and when the boy's communication about what is being done is loud screams and wails (unless he is one of the 'lucky' ones who pass out from the pain).
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:14 PM
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It is when done without consent.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:10 PM
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Sadly, this sort of thing is going on all the time. Over 100 boys in USA per year die as a direct result of circumcision and hundreds more are disfigured to the extent of having impaired use of their penis, over and above the usual loss.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 03:07 PM
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Plenty of feminists come to this sub. If they dare to show their colours, then we will see them comment here.
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 02:52 PM
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That is a very good question but I'm not aware of a case in any country when drunkenness was used as the excuse for being a victim in homosexual sex. If anyone does know of a case please, do post it here. In many countries, if two women have sex then by legal definition neither can be a rapist because the law only makes a man a rapist.
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 02:51 PM
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Not if you are a woman.
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 02:45 PM
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He was not raped for one of two reasons, depending on jurisdiction. Many countries would only make the man guilty if both have been drinking; sometimes that is just practice, often it is law. The rape law in many countries and States does not allow for a woman to be a rapist.
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 02:44 PM
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I guess you are new you to waking up to this whole gender mess. Yes, men are very much second class citizens by law. I don't know of a country where this does not apply - I mostly know of Western nations, Africa and the middle east - but maybe somewhere men have equal rights.
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 02:39 PM
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I think this is a Canadian poster from a few years back which the MRM managed to have taken down. That's not to say it is not a reflection of law in some countries and it is certainly the feminist message globally.
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 02:34 PM
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I will add that the WHO will not recognise ANYthing as male genital mutilation. Even when a man gets his dick cut in half, they absolutely refuse, these days, to describe it as MGM.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 02:01 PM
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Sorry, I don't recall which book I learnt that from. If it comes to me, I will let you know.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:56 PM
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Just because something is not enforced does not, in my mind, mean it is not a right. This of course drives us to the question of what do we mean by a human right. For me, I look at international treaties and national constitutions, plus possibly laws. If nothing other than what was enforced was called a right, the whole civil rights movement, men's rights movement, father's rights movement and others would all be rather pointless.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:36 PM
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I agree. Given that abortion is permitted over most of the USA the right of the unborn to their body - and even their life - is not respected. But I am sure you can agree that when it comes to abortion, the competing rights makes the issue more complex.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:17 PM
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I hope you get better soon.
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 12:16 PM
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It is important to understand that feminism is not women, and women are not feminism. This doesn't only apply in where the blame for certain things belongs but goes much deeper. It is easy to think feminism supports women but that is not entirely true. Feminism is an ideology with its base philosophy and dogma. Any woman who does not fit in in to the world view of feminism can find themselves under attack from feminism. In some ways such women have an even harder time than men in promoting their…
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 12:09 PM
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I always find it strange that when asked separately who got women the vote, most people will answer that it was the suffragettes. Putting aside the extent to which that answer is wrong, it is worth people wondering why, when asked about feminism, they say that feminism got women the vote. The feminist movement and the suffragette movement where two distinct things and in most countries there wasn't even much overlap between the supporters of each - indeed I even uncovered one (small) suffragette…
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 11:48 AM
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I am not linking the trauma of rape do the trauma of genital mutilation. I have asked you whether you think it matters if a woman is raped if she can't remember it. This is something you have yet to reply although you do not seem to be moving your position that a circumcision doesn't matter if it can't be remembered. Neither of us is an expert on trauma, psychology, human development or any other specialisation necessary for a full understanding of the effect of child genital mutilation. So it i…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:34 AM
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That's strange. Weren't you taught but if it was the suffragette who got women the vote? It's probably wasn't but it was certainly not the feminists, who always a separate movement. I don't know which country you are in, but possibly you are not aware that in most countries there were initially bans upon girls working too young, while boys were still made to work on farms, mines, chimney sweeps, and other forms of employment. Initially it was girls who were able to get an education and boys only…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 10:03 AM
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You would have to look into each case to know for sure. Why does that matter? It's not like someone who had their dick chopped as an infant doesn't find out eventually what was done to them. According to you, they have no memory of it, even though they carry mental scars for life. They will learn in time how they were mistreated; hopefully they can forgive their parents but that is helped if the parents are sorry for what they did. Parenting is a process we all muddle through, making all kinds o…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 09:30 AM
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It's hard losing so much, though. I happily SHARED all that I had but never intended that to be split in half. In my case, my assets were frozen and my lovely government wouldn't wait 6 weeks for the tax I owed but put me into bankruptcy. That alone cut my 'half' down to about a tenth. I went from having a fully paid off home to not even having enough for a deposit on a house.
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 09:19 AM
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Right, sorry, that wasn't clear as I read it. Yes, it will always create caretenisation (sp?) Which in itself causes loss of feeling. I was circumcised as an adult and having my glans exposed was a nightmare until I lost that extra sensitivity. I know from memory how vastly inferior in sensation my dick is now - these people who say that they don't remember it, and at the same time say they've not lost anything always make me wonder. Their dick works as well as it ever has and they've never expe…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 02:23 AM
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There are women who have admitted in court of having no memory of their rape. So you tell me did they suffer trauma just because they don't remember it? That's what you are implying. You are deluding yourself if you think any infant can suffer a trauma so bad as to make a permanent difference in their brain, and yet pretend that it doesn't matter.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:56 AM
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If you have done this all through email, you can just store it all in it's own folder, then all your diary entry needs is the name of the folder to go have a look at. That's just a tip .. we all work in different ways. Well done. And thanks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/22 01:52 AM
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Ask a woman who was raped in her sleep the same question. Go on .. I dare you. The scientific answer, however, is yes. Other people have already provided links.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:47 AM
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Congratulations. Just make a diary note for a follow up every three months to ensure something actually changes Feels good, doesn't it? 😀
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/22 01:41 AM
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This is not an ideal forum to answer that question. Try r/intactivism.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:33 AM
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Absolutely children should have no medical procedures - unless they are necessary. And that's the difference.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:24 AM
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Why did you only calculate 1 operation per day? These butchers will perform multiple mutilations in a day if they can.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:23 AM
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I agree it is strange to want to do it to oneself without medical need but that is not what's the men's rights movement campaign against. We accept an adult making decisions on their own body, and we even support women who want more freedom under FGM laws which often ban an adult woman from surgery on her genitals. A vital part of men getting their human rights is gaining respect for their person. This means that no man or boy should be forced to undergo any body modification without proper cons…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:19 AM
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Thank you for that perspective. It is indeed astonishing that any mother would put her baby through such a thing after caring for it so well. It is sad that your husband could not easily accept your care of your potential son. Hopefully, he will study the issue with an open mind before you are pregnant again.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:11 AM
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There is sexual pleasure for a man with a mildly mutilated penis. No need to deny what all us circumcised men know. There is a lot of sensation loss, though, and I'm one of the few men who knows that from experience as I had a circumcision after I became sexually active.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:07 AM
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I presume you don't get out much and only spend your time on reddit. The MRM worldwide has appreciated the need to support the human rights of infant boys.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 01:00 AM
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The WHO started to use the term genital mutilation in the 1970s. When the United Nations, of which WHO is a part, became an openly feminist organisation, the WHO was pressured to only call female circumcision genital mutilation. They started refering to circumcision as FGM for females and circumcision for males.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 12:58 AM
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"Boys are generally circumcized because western women prefer the look of the penis better" Maybe women in the USA. Maybe. Not most women. And it would just be a cultural thing that would obviously change if men were generally left intact.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 12:51 AM
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Full and honest information would certainly be a start. Personally I would want that to include the information about brain scans that show the difference between circumcised and uncircumcised men and which indicates the perpetual trauma caused by infant circumcision. (I realise that most men are not aware of this trauma any more than they are aware are of the loss of sensation, but both can be scientifically proven to have happened.)
/r/MensRights05/07/22 12:42 AM
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Nobody is saying that being circumcised is the worst that can happen to a man. But respecting men includes respecting their bodies and all of their human rights including the right to equality, the right of sexual freedom, and the right to bodily integrity. So this is is a human rights issue that if not solved can prevent the rest of men's human rights from being acknowledged.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 12:37 AM
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A number infant circumcisions inevitably go wrong even under the best conditions causing a proportion of boys to grow up with a badly mutilated penis that in some cases won't function. A small proportion of circumcisions go so wrong that the boy dies. This happens in all countries, including those that consider themselves developed.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 12:31 AM
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The early childhood trauma is only beginning to be accepted, although it has been documented for over two decades now. Brain scans of circumcised and uncircumcised men are such that people can tell with something like 90% certainty whether a man is circumcised just by looking at his brain scan. The myth that it makes no difference to a boy because he can't remember it, is being crushed.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 12:25 AM
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According to some reports, yes. But when you look at most reports around the world and make statistical comparisons across populations of circumcised and uncircumcised men, you'll find that circumcision is slightly indicated as a cause of penile cancer. HIV, on the other hand, is a lot more frequent amongst circumcised population.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 12:21 AM
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According to the OP, he would rather have the ears of his newborn cut off to save his child going through having his ears cut off as an adult. Don't ask me to make sense of that - it sounds crazy.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 12:17 AM
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It's not just equality. Even if female circumcision was not banned, there would still be the issue of bodily integrity which is supposedly a human right.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 12:14 AM
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Why show how ignorant you are when you have access to hundreds of posts here that show you there is a complete separation between the opposition to a destructive ideology and the hatred of women? You can see in just this corner of the internet that men and women who disagree with feminism - an ideology that operates against the interests of men, women and children - often like women; particularly those that are not feminist.
/r/AntiFeminists05/07/22 12:06 AM
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Lol. Really, this post is evidence and you are still in denial. The least you could do is come out with "but not all girls are like that" (we know).
/r/AntiFeminists04/07/22 11:56 PM
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Saw it coming?! They planned it! Little of the social chaos, including broken homes and misandry, is accidental.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 04:00 PM
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I think we are in broad agreement. My point is from my experiences as an MRA: that it is rarely useful debating with feminists but that simply sticking to promoting men's rights can be useful. It's not a question of pretending our troubles will just go away; they won't. But spending time refuting feminism all the time can just bring more attention to feminist dogma, instead of bringing notice to whether a problem exists and if it does, what the right solution is
/r/MensRights04/07/22 03:57 PM
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I don't understand which individual you are referring to, nor what race might be to do with it.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 03:49 PM
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I think we are better off generally not responding to feminists at all. Even at the top levels, we seem to be more effective ignoring what feminists say and sticking strictly to putting our own views forward. Feminism can't be ignored - there are times when giving evidence to a judicial committee, for example, that you have to have rebuttals ready - but we waste an awful lot of time when we give feminists the attention they need.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 02:35 PM
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Goebbels was not the first nor the only man to realise that propaganda was most effective when distributed hidden in entertainment. When being entertained, the human mind is most susceptible to be conditioned into modes of thought and what is acceptable. If you study the techniques of 'brainwashing' you start to see it in action all around. Advertising is the most obvious but at least that is openly conducted, with people aware of the advertiser's intent. News articles, magazines, films, songs .…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 02:26 PM
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The cultural Marxist / feminist push to break up the nuclear family never was intended to be good for society. These statistics would be a delight for the feminists who declared the sex war.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 02:15 PM
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I'm not saying you are wrong in that is what the authors are meaning but those stereotypes are of their own making and propagated by people like them. They are not reality and so then entire argument base on false stereotypes collapses. When I think of a gay man I think of people like Douglas Murray - certainly not feminine. When I think of a black man in the media, I think of someone like Morgan Freeman. I'm not even clear what 'overly feminine' is, other than not feminist, but I'm sure they co…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 02:10 PM
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"To be respected, women have to act like typical women..." These are the kind of people who can't even define what a woman is. So how how they can say a woman has to behave like a woman without knowing what a woman is? Seems very peculiar.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 01:58 PM
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To understand what needs changing one has to understand why things are as they are. Sometimes a tough life if is just bad luck. Sometimes a tough life is our own fault. But when a tough life is the fault of social structures then we can can work on changing those structures and making life better for all.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 01:49 PM
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Yes we do. A misandric society.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 01:46 PM
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I think it's terrible how women in their twenties and thirties have suffered anything for hundreds of years. Especially as we all know that no man ever suffered anything in all that time. /S
/r/MensRights04/07/22 01:45 PM
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Read those studies. Only one of them seems to make any sense, being a large population study over a long enough time and coming to the conclusion that circumcised men NZ compared to a control group of uncircumcised men had less HIV transmission (by a small amount). Because that study disagreed with so many other studies, I delved into it it and initially could not find anything wrong. You have to really look right down at the exact processes they followed to find that the circumcised group were …
/r/MensRights04/07/22 11:46 AM
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No, circumcision is promoted as a way of reducing HIV, based on three flawed reports. It is not generally accepted that it does and most reports and statistical evidence shows that if anything, circumcision leads to a higher incidence of transmission of many kinds of STD, including HIV.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 11:39 AM
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Sensitivity is lost. Use Google search on that.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 11:35 AM
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Well, that's my point. While I like to think I was a positive influence on my kids (girl and boy) I nevertheless recognise that in general it seems to be a fine balance when another man is brought into the family. What does seem to help is seeing the single parent interact with members of the opposite sex generally. This includes grandparents but also neighbours and people at general social functions. Countries where parents - including single parents - still socially interact in events with the…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 11:03 AM
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I do not think it's possible for a man to teach a boy how to interact with women without the boy seeing him interact with his wife. Similarly I think for a daughter to see how to interact best with men, she needs the example of her mother in a close relationship with her father. So while I agree with you I am saying that it still takes both parents to be present and loving.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 10:24 AM
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Your correction is not borne out by evidence. Children brought up by both natural parents are in clear advantage over other children. The feminist concept that a 'father figure' is just as good as a father is faulty. Even in cases where a father dies, it is not evident that another man in the home is necessarily advantageous (and I note this despite having been the replacement father for children I adopted, and think I did a good job of being a dad).
/r/MensRights04/07/22 10:18 AM
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Women need to be clear to men that they need to reject feminism. By nature, men are inclined towards doing what pleases women (that's a product of evolution). Many men are only hearing from feminism about what is wanted of them. Normal women, those whom reject feminism, need to be more clear to all the men in their lives that being a caring masculine man is what a good woman wants.
/r/AntiFeminists04/07/22 10:04 AM
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I hope women will start to be more vocal with sentiments like this. Talking to the men around you is necessary to help them understand that kowtowing to feminism is unmanly and disgusting for any woman who would respect them.
/r/AntiFeminists04/07/22 09:56 AM
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I hold out hope for them. I really hope that when the average American man reads this kind of thing, he rejects it and starts to wake up to the ultimate objective of feminism, so generating more antifeminism. I know a lot of women are horrified by the thought of a society like this: they know they like manly men, not self-castrated wimps.
/r/AntiFeminists04/07/22 09:50 AM
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Sure but almost everything around you can be described as socially constructed. I don't object much to saying it is a social construct - that's just rather meaningless. It's the dismissive implication in saying that feminism is 'just' a social construct.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 09:40 AM
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Well, that was a confusing mix of misinformation and irrelevance. If all feminists wanted was equal treatment, they wouldn't oppose the men and women trying to get it. I suggest you break out of your internet bubble into the real world. You might even start caring about other people enough to discover the realities of the feminist ideology and the activities of feminist organisations.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 12:36 PM
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Any man with a woman who would want to use her sex to bribe his moral stance should immediately cut that woman out of his life. Even the best sex is not worth compromising your manhood.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 07:20 AM
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This is the big point. Feminists are welcome to go on sex strike; many of them are probably already incels anyway.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 07:20 AM
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And for the very socially awkward or unattractive, it has some value, it seems. For most men, it would be better if they looked for a real woman, though they may have to import her from outside of Western nations to avoid toxic feminism.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 07:14 AM
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Men's rights are human rights for men (these extend to children as well). It is not even clear to me from your writing that you understand that incel is short for involuntarily celibate. That is to say, an incel is a man or woman wishing to have sex but who is unable to do so. There are are men and women who support men's rights and yet are not able to have sex they would like. So there is some amount of crossover, just as we read of feminists who are enable to have the sex they would like. Femi…
/r/MensRights03/07/22 07:06 AM
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If you are truly wondering about the differences and similarities between feminism and the men's rights movement ask yourself (do the research) this: What feminist events or talks have ever been protested about or attempted to be closed down (in town halls, universities, open forums, etc.) by men's rights activists. And What what events or talks regarding the rights or interests of men & children have been protested about or attempted to be closed down (in town halls, universities, open forums, …
/r/MensRights03/07/22 06:54 AM
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If there is ever any symmetry of objectives, the first thing to do is check whether your objectives actually make sense.
/r/MensRights03/07/22 06:12 AM
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If you would become an MRA you will find it hard to simply ignore feminists.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 08:01 PM
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Haiti wasn't the first execution of misandry by the UN, by a long way. I don't think it was even the first time food was denied, though I would have to spend time working out which event was the first. There are advocates for men and children who are pushing back in the UN but we should always remember that it is a self-declared feminist organisation, so it is a struggle. The latest I read in defence was that everyone in a camp (in central America) had been given food: what was not mentioned in …
/r/MensRights02/07/22 06:21 PM
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This is working its way into standard ways to operate UN 'humanitarian' aid.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 05:07 PM
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Digging up something from a decade ago? We really don't have to be scraping the barrel like that to find misandry and gynocentric use of the law.
/r/AntiFeminists02/07/22 04:53 PM
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Porn is not something involving only women actors and men as consumers. Many men also work voluntarily in porn, just as women do. Many women view and enjoy porn of all kinds. Do not fall for the propaganda that porn is inherently anti-woman. That's a message propagated by the same misandric ideological movement run by people who say that all heterosexual sex is a man raping a woman. If you want to argue that porn is immoral, or socially harmful, or whatever, then feel free but unless you are sim…
/r/AntiFeminists02/07/22 11:27 AM
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As tempting as it would be to say 'yes', the business world would rapidly grind to a halt. Better, if quotas are to be applied, would be to say that the quota for board directors will reflect the percentage of the sexes in garbage collection, sewage maintenance, construction, etc..
/r/MensRights02/07/22 10:24 AM
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That's a problem everywhere identity quotas are applied. While it's possible for someone appointed on quota will do a good job, generally they wouldn't need to be there by quota if they were the best choice.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 10:16 AM
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I know two brilliant IT professionals who are female and worked their way up. I have known other female IT workers who got the job (and in one case, promotion) for being female and they are uniformly poor workers who are not respected as colleagues.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 10:09 AM
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I have not seen this whining about men forced to raise their child. In the circles I move in, I see quite the opposite: men desperately trying to be part, preferably a large part, of their children's lives. Are you perhaps mistaking the complaints about being forced to pay a departed ex for her to bring up his child, often without any concomitant rights as a father and often without any link between the child's costs and the amount he is forced to pay? This is a very different matter. Not only a…
/r/MensRights02/07/22 02:35 AM
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I did ask that you stop being silly. Goodbye.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 07:39 PM
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I am not deluded in saying feminism fights any who don't fit their narrow world plan. I have twenty years' experience that shows it to be true. When you have even ten years of experience fighting for men's issues, then come and tell me what feminism is. The feminism as practiced by feminist organisations around the world, the feminism as taught and activated in academia, the feminism as espoused in the major feminist writings. If you have something you call feminism that disagrees with real-life…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 03:31 PM
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You're either having a laugh or deluding yourself about feminism. MRAs have fought on behalf of men, children and even women. Feminism will fight any who don't fully fit with their narrow plan for the world. Come back when you understand about feminist theory and practice.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 02:56 PM
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Well, I agree with that. Based largely on Marxism, it is far too inconsistent to make sense. But my point is that blaming men for women's perceived hard lives is a core part of feminist doctrine and anyone trying to avoid hating men must by definition not be feminist.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 02:51 PM
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There are plenty of pro-woman things that feminism opposes. They range from the French prostitutes who formed a union specifically to oppose feminism, to women wanting parental alienation to be recognised. Feminism may be most obviously anti-male but it is also anti-female, anti-children, and anti-freedom. By definition, it seeks to remove equality unless it happens to coincide with tactical objectives.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 02:47 PM
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That's not feminist doctrine. You make a bad feminist.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 02:39 PM
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I think the longer one actively works on men's issues, the more obvious feminist hatred for men becomes. If you are new to helping men, just try publicising an open meeting to discuss men's human rights and you'll find out. (The second time you try it, contact a men's rights organisation, as well as the police, and ask them to help you run one.)
/r/MensRights01/07/22 02:05 PM
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They are in practice too. Twice in my time as an MRA I made distinct efforts not to be antifeminist; to be purely pro-male and pro-child. On each of three campaigns, I was forced to contend with feminist organisations and individuals who were resisting our efforts that were purely on behalf of men and children. I no longer even attempt to ignore feminism when standing up for men, children, families or women. Feminism has its narrow concept of how it wants society and will oppose anyone of any se…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:58 PM
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It is a core pillar of feminist belief. Without believing in the conspiracy theory that men keep women suppressed and oppressed, the rest of feminism philosophy doesn't hold up.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:49 PM
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Your Types 1 and 2 are not feminists at all, other than they might self-identity as such. People can call themselves all sorts of labels but if they don't agree with the principles of that label, they are just confused (or want to confuse others).
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:44 PM
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I agree up to the last line. Feminism is a corrupting ideology, a massive hate industry and a destructive political influence. I can't write it off as 'just a social construct'.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:39 PM
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You have no reason to believe that the men and women who advocate for the human rights of men & children (MRAs) hate women. Hating an ideology and a movement that opposes the human rights of a group is probably inevitable, which is why some opposition to feminism might look like hate. But even hatred of the men and women who support that evil enterprise is not misogyny - it is antifeminism.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:33 PM
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Patriarchy Theory IS men. By feminist philosophy, it is men (and even boys) who sustain The Patriarchy (terrible grammar but feminism loves to invent words and new meaning to old words). We men, according to the ideology you subscribe to, are keeping you oppressed. So don't pretend that you can believe all that crap and not hate men for it. So yeah, fuck feminism and it's deluded and corrupt beliefs.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:27 PM
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Why don't you hate men for subjugating you? That makes no sense. If you don't believe that women are being oppressed by men, then you're not really feminist, since that is one of the founding supports of the movement.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:20 PM
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There are men and women who believe they are feminist but who don't actually believe in feminism. One of the pillars of feminism is Patriarchy Theory: the belief that there is a global conspiracy among males (including boys, as I read it) specifically to subjugate and oppress women. Whatever kind of feminist someone calls themselves (and there are many, as they seek to separate from what they recognise as hatred and violence) if they don't believe in this conspiracy theory, they don't really bel…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:17 PM
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That's a faulty definition, not supported by feminist organisations and not reflected in mainstream feminist media such as that used in feminism courses.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:00 PM
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Not only do they blame men and only men for recognising that abortion is not mentioned in the USA Constitution, they never celebrated men for making the Roe decision on the first place. Do people really need any more proof that this isn't about supporting women (many of whom support the life of the unborn child) but is simply about spewing hatred of men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 11:56 AM
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Body shaming from someone illustrating they have a small and shriveled mind.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/22 11:47 AM
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Government drives society. Laws shape how people will behave. Many of the anti-society and misandric measures passed do not have popular support. Indeed, the very idea of populism is denigrated by these people. Think about what that means: democratic parties rejecting the idea of doing what is popular.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 09:35 AM
1

So why do you want this place to turn into a pit of hatred like that?
/r/MensRights01/07/22 09:30 AM
2

That's an important lesson about feminism that I wish MRAs would get into their heads. Just because feminism is anti-male and anti-child, does not mean it is pro-female. There is a reason why most women say they do not support feminism, and it isn't just altruistic care for men & children.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 09:23 AM
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Check your mirror. Rejecting hate is not an expression of hate, any more than the expression of hate common at 2X is a rejection of hate
/r/MensRights01/07/22 09:17 AM
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That kind of 2X response is unhelpful.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 09:14 AM
1

It's a program of cultural change openly announced by worldwide feminism back in the 1950s, to stop the cooperation between men and women. It really got underway in the 1970s and is the fundamental reason why men and women are so distrustful, why so many families are broken (with all the social problems that causes), and why women's happiness is recorded as going steadily downhill. If people can't find any other reason to stop misogyny and misandry, knowing that it is deliberate social engineeri…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 09:12 AM
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Men and women do band together. There are many men and women who fight alongside one another against feminism for the benefit of men, women and children. If you think there is any point in talking with feminists to get men's social standing or rights to be equal, go try it. I understand your desire. Many of us were once at the same stage, and we made the effort to stand up for our rights and yet not be enemies with feminism. We are not antifeminist by choice but because we are opposed in improvi…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 09:00 AM
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I believe that the majority of people, including young adults, want marriage to be a meaningful commitment. Of all social ills, this is one with popular support.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 08:50 AM
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You have no basis to assume that. Stop being silly.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 08:43 AM
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I suspect people aren't reading what you wrote, which is why they down-vote your comment. I think you are pretty close: it's up to a married person to nurture their marriage BUT anyone else who doesn't respect a marriage is likely to have pretty shitty morals that will ultimately hurt themselves.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:21 PM
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No, feminists aren't just continuing the decline. Feminism STARTED the decline as part of a deliberate stated intent.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:12 PM
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Modern marriage isn't like that, though. Even supposedly conservative governments, such as in UK, are turning marriage more into an agreement to temporarily shack up until someone else catches the eye
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:10 PM
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Absolutely. I've been there too, and self reflection afterwards has meant it was only a one-off stain on my self respect.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:04 PM
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Oddly, most women seem to get angry with 'the other woman' more than their man, which I have always struggled to understand.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:01 PM
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No, don't bother going on with your drivel. You've written enough to show you are either not able to think clearly, or prefer to pretend you can't.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 02:41 AM
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If 'regular people' are those without basic reading capability yet who respond to what someone writes, and those unwilling to educate themselves using standard internet searches, then yes I am indeed out of touch with regular people and prefer to stay that way. Even more, I am happy for such people to stay out of touch with me. Goodbye.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 02:37 AM
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The point is that in conceptual parental surrender, there is always a child at the same state as in abortion.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 02:34 AM
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Even 15 year olds know that sex can lead to pregnancy. So if pregnancy results then yes that is what they consented to even if they did try to prevent it. To take a different analogy: if you consent to jump out of an aeroplane with a parachute you will be aware of the chance of injury as a result. You therefore consent to any injury that results from the parachute jump even though you obviously take precautions not to be injured.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 02:31 AM
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Read what I wrote. If you don't understand a phrase, try a general internet search rather than just spouting your ignorance online.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 02:23 AM
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"But isn't this what feminism actually is? equality?" No. Feminism never was and still is not about equality. I do wish people would stop perpetuating that myth.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 02:13 AM
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If a child didn't exist there is nothing to abort. A child always exists before an abortion.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 02:07 AM
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Medical necessity is shunned only by a tiny minority of those who oppose abortion; mostly the same who shun all kinds of medical intervention because of religious beliefs.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 02:05 AM
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This is a regular scenario, with variation, in many countries. She might have punctured the condom, or procured the condom and used the contents, or in one case I read a few years back, she gave him a blowjob and used the mouthful to inseminate herself. And every time, the man is liable. He has no rights, only responsibility.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:58 AM
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Abortion takes away the most fundamental right of all: the right to live.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:50 AM
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Abortion removes bodily autonomy from the one person who cannot be blamed for the woman being pregnant.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:47 AM
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I see that as almost a separate issue which does need to be addressed as either rape or fraud.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:45 AM
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I've had huge opposition to my view on this but since no contraception is infallible, I think that consent to sex = consent to being a parent. BUT if one parent can legally void that responsibility, the other parent should have as close to the same right as feasible.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:43 AM
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There are places in USA and other countries where birth-abortion is legal. The United Nations pushes for this and more. I came off the fence on the abortion issue after encountering talk of allowing 'post-birth abortion'.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:37 AM
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I don't support abortion but I agree that where abortion is available for the woman, fatherhood surrendering of all rights and responsibilities should be similarly available.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:34 AM
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Furthermore, it's none months when the woman gets the parental joy*, whereas the man usually is not automatically granted any parental right, just the responsibility of paying up. *I do know parenting isn't all fun but it is the most fulfilling human experience.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:29 AM
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There are women who will charge for surrogate motherhood. That can be used as a guide to the financial value of the mother's contribution. The father could be made liable for half that amount, AND half of ALL other rights, privileges, responsibilities and liabilities. Half, no less but no more, as default unless/until the parents make some other agreement. The current situation, where she gets to dominate the entire situation and directing his life by her choices, is misandry and unwarranted cru…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:25 AM
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She gets to gestate the baby, yes. But let us not ignore that she then gets to enjoy the child (if she wants) while he often doesn't get that pleasure. What he does get is forced labour to the tune of around $1/4m until the kid is 18. Sometimes, he has to work for 25 hours a week for that child, helping the mother have a standard of living and quality of life he may never be able to achieve. And if he can't pay, he can end up in debtors prison. I understand what you say about there being biologi…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 01:16 AM
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Talk to coworkers to find the ones who have also witnessed the behaviour. As tempting as it would be to drum up support, I don't recommend that unless your lawyer advises it. Just note the names for now as part of your documentation process.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 12:33 AM
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I note that some of even that page is about men's disadvantage and none of it puts women at risk. Edited half a day later to add: Well, what do you know. I come back with a comprehensive response which debunks the nonsense that was posted to 'prove' discrimination against women but the coward has blocked me, so I can't respond. Perhaps he knew all along that the propaganda was rubbish and does not dare to be refuted. Just goes to show not to trust people who won't engage in genuine discussion.
/r/MensRights29/06/22 12:16 PM
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Not only do men get blamed for reversing the decision, they were never credited for having made the decision in the first place. Because feminism isn't about supporting women, it's about blaming men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/22 01:54 AM
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What laws are there that specifically disadvantage women over men?
/r/MensRights29/06/22 01:38 AM
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Rape is terrible and I feel for you. Rape is considered so bad that even the dregs of society in prison will give a rapist a rough time. Few raped, I think (but I'm not sure) are intended to create a child but of course they can do. That's one reason why female rape is considered so much worse than male rape. My comments were aimed at the vast majority of abortions, not at the relatively minor numbers of special cases. 32,000? Where does that number come from, please?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:46 PM
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I think my comment would have been less appropriate had you said men have a right to USE condoms. I'm not sure even that is correct globally but it is moderately accurate for USA and UK. It still isn't stated as a treaty (eg UDHR) or legal (eg constitution or statute) right anywhere as far as I know. .. Maybe Mexico gets close to it .. now I am really wondering!
/r/MensRights28/06/22 04:35 PM
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The latest (in Italy) is for a woman to claim the father is a man in prison. He cannot get leave to contest it in court so even if he was in prison when the child was conceived, he becomes liable. The only way he can legally get out of it is by proving he is not genetically related - but he has to have her permission to get a genetic test! So he comes out of prison and is immediately expected to start paying child support. (Unlike in USA, he is excused payments while in prison.)
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:47 PM
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Not only must you be careful of the contents of your condom, but also make sure that if she blows you, she truly does swallow. There was a case a few years back where a woman spit it out and inseminated herself with the mouthful.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:35 PM
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The best it gets is that there are some countries that will not force a male victim of rape pay for the child's upbringing. Both UK and USA will make a victim pay his rapist.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:21 PM
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The only right you supposedly have is not to be forced to reproduce. However, if you ARE forced (such as being raped as an underage boy) your apparent rights will be ignored and both UK and USA (among many others) can force you to pay for the upbringing of the child, and neither will permit you to have the child aborted. So the only right that you might claim in this area is not recognised. Not that ignoring your human rights is anything new for a male. Indeed, a child might even be proven not t…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:17 PM
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Neither condoms nor vasectomies are rights. Some countries make them as available, some (supposedly including the UK and some US States) make them available at no charge.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:10 PM
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Any woman willing to try bending a man's morality by withholding sex puts herself at the bottom of the desirability scale.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:40 PM
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You got it. It's all about wanting control over men. Using whatever narcissistic and immoral means possible.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:38 PM
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Anyone who donates sperm risks being charged with the upkeep of EACH child that can result. Courts around the world are already peeling away anonymity in preference of finding a man to pay for a child. Clinics pay around $50 per cum shot, can get maybe four pregnancies from it. At $1/4m to raise each child, that is a far higher risk than any loan shark.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:34 PM
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Normally I would agree with the sentiment. But women are not dangerous just because of themselves (which only applies to some women). They are dangerous because of society and the laws which make a man a second-class citizen to his (ex) woman.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:23 PM
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MGTOW don't all restrain from sex. If a woman won't try to bend a man to his will, she can be perfectly suited for a man who goes his own way.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:19 PM
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Calling it forced birth is nonsense. Nobody is wanting to force women to get pregnant. At most, women are being made to have the same decision point as men over being a parent. Since fucking can always lead to a new life being created, women in a few States will now have to think about that beforehand, just as men must.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:14 PM
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They might get some more women to try out lesbian sex, which seems to be the main motivation behind the regular calls to not have sex with men. In the meantime, they show self-respecting men who to keep clear of.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:07 PM
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Absolutely. A man is better off alone than with a woman who would try to bribe his morals or ethics.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:03 PM
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I think any man who respects himself will not stay in a relationship with a woman who would try to force his moral judgement by a sex strike EVEN IF he agrees with her about abortion. A woman who will behave like that can keep to the streets for sex. A man's morality must never be up for sale at such a cheap price.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 12:57 PM
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There's a certain type of woman, globally, that is blaming all men for the US Supreme Court deciding that abortion is not a federal issue and must be left to U.S. States to legislate on as they wish. Even in the U.S., around half of men (used to) support abortion, and about as many women as men are against abortion.. but nobody here ever accused feminists of making much sense. So some women are saying they won't have sex. Or rather, they are promoting other women to not have sex with men. The cy…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 12:51 PM
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Ah but those aren't real women, or they are women under the spell of the evil Patriarchy Conspiracy, or...
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:15 PM
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One thing feminism has taught men is that it doesn't matter how much men keep surrendering their rights, feminism will never be appeased. SCUM and #killallmen is waiting for men's ultimate appeasement.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:11 PM
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Men created the RvW decision, too, but nobody thanked (or blamed, depending on stance) all men for doing that. Only when feminists don't like an outcome do they credit the outcome to all men. The misandry shouts out loud and clear.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:06 PM
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If you ever get involved with men's rights activism you will get to interact with the women who step into the fray, while getting used to the cowardly hordes of men who whine anonymously but do f all in practice.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 11:54 AM
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You are confusing women with feminism. Many women are antifeminist. Some men are pro-feminist. Because feminism is fundamentally a hate movement, it promotes the killing of children and men. Many women, including many who have been fooled into an abortion only to discover the mental and emotional trauma of having killed their child, are anti-abortion. Many men are for giving women the legal permission to kill men's children, not wanting women to be as responsible as men have to be. This really i…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 06:35 AM
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It's that last line that is the biggest lie. Sex always carries the risk of creating a new person. Just as men have to not have sex to be sure of not being a father, so it is equally valid to expect women to do the same.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 05:06 AM
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After resisting the male Pill for so long, now feminists want men not to be fertile. And the difference: the Male Pill is optional, allowing a man to control his fertility whereas what feminists want is to take control of men. It's the same power game they always play. Like their other power games, men ignore this one at their peril.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:23 AM
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Are you aware of how many men convicted of rape manage to later prove their innocence? A conviction is not a secure basis for forced sterilisation.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:13 AM
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Not at all. Without abortion, women have the equal choice as men not to create a child: don't have sex. For equality, nothing else is needed.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:10 AM
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The feminists talking this up are the types who revel in crumbling society. They hate humanity, which is why they also promote post-birth abortion.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:07 AM
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The time to be worried is when someone says "it can never happen".
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:02 AM
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Oh yes you can! The MRM regularly highlights cases where men who are not related to a child are nevertheless deemed to be the father and forced to pay it.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:00 AM
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Nobody is wanting to force women to have sex. Their body, their choice has always been supported by (male-led) society.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:57 AM
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This kind of thing has been a feminist and eugenicist wet dream for a long time. 1984 and Clockwork Orange were written as warning, not as fantasy.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:55 AM
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Most countries publish statistics. In the USA, I think the CDC publishes abortion data, and you can probably also get the data from the Congress Library. I have ignored the incest aspect, because the same constraint applies to the adults there: if you are not prepared for the possibility of offspring, don't have sex.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 03:01 AM
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Most judicial systems have review processes. It is often a necessarily complex and detailed matter but is one activity of human rights activists that you don't hear much about (unless you are working in that field).
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:57 AM
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I said "..a tiny fraction of one percent..". If you can't be bothered to learn a subject, at least read properly.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:50 AM
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Yeah yeah, trot out that one, even though it is a tiny fraction of one percent of abortions. If that were the only issue, there would be a lot more sympathy for the men and women involved. As it is, it is just an excuse the eugenicists drag out to attempt to justify killing millions of innocent children.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 02:09 AM
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One person's rights end when their actions affect someone else. Abortion is not primarily about a woman's body, it is about the life of a child. Just like men, women can control their own bodies. They can choose not to have sex. That's been the feminist position for men for a hundred years, and it's quite reasonable for it to be the EQUAL position for women.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 01:58 AM
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While I don't know the law in the specific jurisdiction, I am fairly sure that any domestic violence will be criminal law. The victim cannot drop the charge because the victim does not make the charge. Criminal law exists to protect society. Acts like murder, burglary, assault, arson, etc. are deemed to be acts against society. They are police matters and the police hand cases they consider appropriate (the definition of which varies) to the public prosecutor. If the public prosecutor believes t…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 01:37 AM
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One positive aspect of this is all the comments against her on YT. Ten years ago, the public wouldn't have realised who the real victim is on an incident like this, or would have been calling him names for being a victim. So, some progress is being made.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 11:22 PM
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It is the public prosecutor who normally presses charges in a criminal case such as assault. The victim is simply a witness in the process.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 11:17 PM
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Don't ignore the evidence that most online misogyny is written by women. Feminists - male and female - have been caught in the past trolling hate speech, pretending to be nasty male supporters of MRM, so I would think they do the same on MGTOW, too.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 04:53 PM
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Absolutely. To such women, there is no contradiction. She simply wants to make the choice, at whatever point she likes and regardless of the effects on anyone else. The mistake some have when listening/reading such people is to imagine that they want equality. There is no way women like her want to reduce their status to that of equals!
/r/AntiFeminists26/06/22 02:40 PM
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Ah, so contrary to the appeal you made earlier, you don't actually care about supporting the women who support men. You were just using that as a feminist-style shaming tactic that has backfired. Nobody here is discussing removing health care from anyone. Indeed, since the most fundamental aspect of health care is saving life, it seems to me that it is the eugenicists who are arguing against health care, all the while dressing it up as the opposite.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:34 PM
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I am well aware of the women in the MRM. I work with many of them. Few of them think open abortion is healthy for society. I asked you in what way equalising the moment that men and women have to choose not to have a child is not equality.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:26 PM
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Now you are asking sensible questions. By all means let us discuss how to improve society, but let's not have such discussion under the shadow of threatening to kill unborn children as though that can lead to a healthy society.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:23 PM
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We should bear in mind that wanting to silence men is not unique to abortion. Many men support abortion. Many women are against abortion - including many who had one and find the mental and emotional trauma (which was never explained to them) hard to deal with. Men, whatever their beliefs, should never accept being silenced on any human rights issue. If it were not for men, we might not even have the concept of human rights.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:19 PM
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Nonsense! If you really have been campaigning for men's rights for ten years, you can't help but be aware of the numbers of men dying homeless from not being able to afford punitive child support, the numbers pushed to suicide because of the lack of options... Men die every day because of the lack of care in a society that denies them human rights.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:11 PM
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If you were arguing that the 0.01% of abortions involving such cases should be legal, you would have many more sympathetic voices. But arguing for the mass killings to continue makes you sound like one of the eugenicists who just hates humanity.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:03 PM
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Don't be too quick to believe what you read in a rag like The Guardian, particularly when they 'report' on countries where checking the facts is hard.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:59 PM
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Women have a choice not to have a child. It is the same as a man's choice: don't have sex. Having sex always carries the risk of creating a third person. That you don't care about that person's rights is clear but don't pretend that women do not have a choice. They do, and it is the same choice that men have.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:53 PM
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Why don't you want to support the many women who are against abortion? They are most likely the women who are supportive of men's issues. This is not the male/female divide that you and feminists are making it out to be.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:48 PM
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Feminists have been saying for decades that if a man doesn't want a child, he should keep it in his pants. (Since you've only been in the fight ten years, you may not be familiar with this.) Now, in some states, it is fair to say that if a woman doesn't want a child, she should keep her legs closed. On what grounds do you not find equality in that?
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:44 PM
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Babies now have a better chance of their right to life being recognised. Women now have an EQUAL moment of choice not to have a baby as men. Men now have a better chance of having their parental rights acknowledged. Now, tell me just what it is that you dislike about this situation, and why you think human rights activists should support the eugenicists & feminists. Then could you be a little more explicit as to why you think MRAs should be against the huge numbers of women who want abortion ban…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:38 PM
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Over 99.9% of babies killed by mothers have no disability. Don't confuse the issue of abortion with such minor matters.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:28 PM
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First, they most certainly are children. Second explain why murder of a pregnant woman is murder of two people; of course someone can be killed before being born. Third, rape is indeed an excuse and quite a poor one at that, giving no consideration to the innocent victim of abortion, nor to the added trauma of abortion upon the rape victim.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 10:19 PM
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Who on earth wants to date a feminist? By God, I hope the men (and women) of this forum have more self respect than to attempt to socialize with a feminist.
/r/AntiFeminists25/06/22 09:54 PM
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The issue of rape is difficult but first realise how tiny are the numbers of abortions from rape. Next, be aware that many women pregnant from rape have chosen to NOT kill the innocent child that resulted. Further, look at the evidence of mental trauma from abortion and that this trauma seems to be just as bad however the child was conceived: abortion just adds to a woman's distress from rape. Think, too, on giving feminist women even more motivation to make a false rape accusation. It's not a s…
/r/MensRights25/06/22 04:04 PM
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No, abortion is a wing of the eugenicists. Rape is just an excuse and is a tiny fraction of one percent of the children women kill.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 03:53 PM
0

She has a right over the body of your child. She has a right to determine how much of your income you can have. This is absolutely a men's issue.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 03:50 PM
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Women have a right to choose. It is EQUAL to the moment of men's choice. If women or men don't want to risk a child yet are fertile, they can CHOOSE not to have sex. A men's rights forum should not be supporting women's superiority over men in either the timing of choice, or in the ability for a woman to make a unilateral decision affecting a man's child and finances.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 03:48 PM
1

I was wondering what the OP has against the mainstay activists.
/r/AntiFeminists25/06/22 01:05 PM
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It's always good to see them getting wider publicity. Their dedication is admirable.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 11:36 AM
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In a way it is better having it as statute. There is something clearly written to fight against, rather than first having to convince people of the practice.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 11:56 PM
0

I do not accept the feminist concept of interchangeable fathers as male positive. It is one of those subtle feminist adjustments of society that should be resisted. It harms fathers, children and women.
/r/MensRights20/06/22 11:52 PM
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Ripping fathers out of their homes and away from their children lies at the very core of almost every problem that needs addressing.
/r/MensRights20/06/22 05:56 PM
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Society needs a level of conformity among its members or it falls apart. Similarly, however, too little acceptance of oddities will lead to stagnation and decay. The problem for some / many modern societies is that hatred is a major feature, often culturally driven (e.g. television, feminism, easy divorce). This makes society less tolerant of difference and is leading to internal destruction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/22 10:52 AM
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The manosphere isn't a whole. It is a bunch of disparate groups, beliefs and objectives that have no connection to one another and almost nothing in common other than being hated by feminists. (Not that it takes much to be hated by feminists. It is primarily a hate movement, after all.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/22 10:43 AM
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You perhaps need to be aware of the difference between patriarchal elements to society, and The Patriarchy (don't blame me for the bad grammar) which comes from Patriarchy Theory. As so often with cultural Marxism / feminism, words and phrases have meanings different than common language. That this hinders communication is both obvious and intentional.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/22 10:37 AM
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I agree with most of what you say except your characterisation of Essentialism. Essentialist thinking will tend to encourage men to be masculine and women to be feminine but it doesn't push people into cookie-cut extremes defined by modern society's fetish over what those genders are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/22 10:12 AM
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It is entirely possible to be financially independent, self-sufficient AND be a family-oriented, socially responsible man. Indeed, many around the world would say that you can't support society, or even your family, beyond your ability to care for yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/22 10:05 AM
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Next time, try replying with "and they need a mother figure, too". Maybe the inherent misandry in the seemingly male-positive statement will be clearer.
/r/MensRights20/06/22 09:57 AM
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Read Adonis. It will be enough when fathers are prevented by law from living with mothers and children. By then, though, the other phase of the program will be advancing - keeping mothers away from children, too.
/r/MensRights19/06/22 11:44 AM
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No, there would only be the usual minority being publicised by the usual media. From coast to coast there would be popular support from parents and children.
/r/MensRights19/06/22 11:39 AM
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"Believe whatever you want.." How generous of you. "..but at the end of the day crapping on a movement that promotes human rights does not look good whether you are a male or a female." We agree on that. But we are not talking about a human rights organisation, we are talking about feminism. "Men against feminism take some bad apples and apply it to the rest of us, I'm talking about feminazis, man haters. Those women are not actual feminists, fr from it actually." A movement is defined by its ac…
/r/MensRights19/06/22 01:31 AM
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Shame on you, OP, for beginning to wake up to feminism, yet still be willing to judge the men of other nations by what feminism says.
/r/MensRights19/06/22 01:21 AM
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You would benefit from being honest about (1) What feminism is, (2) about what even feminist surveys show about the support for feminism. If you care about women, you would not support a sociopolitical movement that most women realise is not in their interest.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 09:25 PM
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Doubling down to create more of the problem, I'd say.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 05:40 PM
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98% of criminals use toothpaste. It is clear to anyone that if we want to stop crime, we should ban toothpaste. 🤔
/r/MensRights18/06/22 05:38 PM
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Masculinity MIGHT be the problem. Masculinity WILL be the protection. Masculinity influence in upbringing WILL be the solution.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 05:35 PM
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What? How did you reach this conclusion, or are you still not clear of the idea that only feminism supports women's rights? If you stop and think about it, that is a preposterous idea. Even the Catholic Church is willing to admit that there are alternate ways to believe in God. How likely is it that a group not supported by most women is the only way to care about women's rights?
/r/MensRights18/06/22 10:34 AM
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No, I'm working from memory. At best, all I would have is a claim that Solanas said it was satire.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 08:46 AM
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The grasseaters in Japan is much bigger than the similar MGTOW movement in the West. If a Japanese woman wants a mate, her best chance is to reject feminism and attend one of the schools on how to be a caring wife. It's all down to supply & demand.
/r/AntiFeminists18/06/22 03:27 AM
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In many, perhaps most, places the law does not even allow for the idea that a man can be raped. Cynicism aside, while a victim might have been able to prevent the crime done to them, it is not generally their fault that the crime was committed. On the very rare occasions the victim can be said to be at fault (and offhand I can't think of an instance on sexual assault) the crime is usually adjudged not to have taken place at all.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 03:16 AM
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Thanks for expanding on your journey. It is sounding like:. You became a feminist; You started to care about the dignity of men; You distanced from feminism; You are now learning about wider men's issues. So being here isn't so much a result of turning your back on feminism; it's more the result of caring about men - which is something intolerable to feminism. It can take a long time to be cured of feminism and I wish you well in your journey.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 01:37 AM
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I agree. You can go to the most dogmatic religions and - politely - question their beliefs. Feminism won't tolerate the expression of any dissent. There is much to learn from that alone.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 01:15 AM
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Elements of the MRM uncovered secret SCUM groups several years ago. I don't use 'social' media much; how bad and how common are the calls to kill all men?
/r/MensRights18/06/22 01:10 AM
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I'd like to understand more. Why didn't a turn away from feminism take you simply to antifeminist? Why did it make you put in effort - if Indeed you do - on behalf of men?
/r/MensRights18/06/22 12:56 AM
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Tools of patriarchal oppression, doncha know.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 12:53 AM
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That's quite a unique background, to gain insight like that as a child.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 12:47 AM
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If you get heavily involved in the MRM, you could be exposed to enough information to conclude that feminism is never going to help men, ESPECIALLY not in the face of a likely death.
/r/MensRights18/06/22 12:45 AM
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You might gain insight by knowing the etymology of those words. Egalitarian appeared in the first half of the 19th century, and had wide use by the middle decades of that century. Feminism arose around the middle of the 19th century, obviously with the intent from the outset that it mean something different that other new word, egalitarian. I will leave it to you to work out if feminism was ever about equality..
/r/MensRights18/06/22 12:34 AM
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I have. You are not paying attention to what my responses are. I have better things to do (for men) than let you tie up my time. When I see you actually pulling your weight for men or boys, instead of being a naysayer dickhead, I will engage with you as an equal.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 11:36 AM
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What the heck do people imagine the MRM is doing, if not working on behalf of men (and children, and society). No, I think the OP is hunting for some over-arching ideology. Many new to the MRM look for that before they learn to fear the dominance of any single ideology.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 11:00 AM
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Are you deliberately being as dense as a feminist?
/r/MensRights17/06/22 10:26 AM
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Only after some time did Solanas even claim it was satire. The underground SCUM groups don't treat it as satire - they discuss how to make it happen.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 10:15 AM
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🙂 I suspect the OP is confusing feminism with a rational belief system.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 10:10 AM
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Since you mention the UK, it is only right to mention the only pro-male party in the English-speaking world, the Children & Family Party, run by Mike Buchanan.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 09:48 AM
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But that won't happen either.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 09:38 AM
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That's the biggest question! I think most men could tolerate the male-only draft SO LONG AS THEY WERE COMPENSATED. But when men are blamed for working harder in the name of equality, and other petty 'equality' measures exist, it's only reasonable for men to demand equality in all things. Selective equality is not equality.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 09:31 AM
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That normally happens when a question is thought not to be asked in good faith. After all, reading for a few weeks in a forum like this will give an answer, whereas nobody can hope to respond comprehensively.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 09:12 AM
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Absolutely. The proposal was made either by a feminist, or by someone who has not yet thought about the resistance we get in the MRM and the nature of oppression of a healthy society.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 09:05 AM
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Like I said, learn before spouting crap. Sure things are bad. They will get worse yet but things would be heaps worse had it not been for the brave folk of the father's and men's movements. Sure you are welcome to an opinion. But you make yourself look foolish spouting an opinion when you have no idea of the facts.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 03:46 AM
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Or egalitarianism, or essentialism, or traditionalism.. One advantage of the MRM is that it encompasses many different concepts and philosophies while working towards a (fairly) common set of goals. That's a disadvantage, too, but will stop us ever becoming that which we oppose
/r/MensRights17/06/22 02:02 AM
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I'm always amazed at ignorant kids who have done jack shit telling others that they have done jack shit. Study a bit more, kiddo, because even without knowing what country you are in, I am very sure that if it were not for the MRM over the past several decades, things would be a great deal worse for you right now. I sincerely suspect you would not even be allowed to have this conversation. So pull it out of your own backside and start doing your bit.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 01:56 AM
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Well said. The last thing we need is another toxic ideology in the world.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 01:46 AM
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There is nothing really special about how feminism brainwashes; it's much the same as used elsewhere, though perhaps an expert could discuss nuances. It often starts from having the appearance to always have an answer; seemingly understanding everything is very attractive and tends to make people believe, even though logic indicates that the more you say you know, the greater the chance that you are making some things up. Creating an enemy is always useful and something feminism is great at. The…
/r/MensRights17/06/22 01:28 AM
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If a feminist says something, the automatic assumption should be that they are wrong. Keep in mind, however, that the feminist talking or writing may not be a liar - they quite often are a victim of feminism and have been conditioned to believe.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 09:50 PM
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Put it in your own words then, and tell me how someone working less hours on the same job is not being more relaxed about the job. Because the way your comment makes you look so far is not a good look.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 12:51 PM
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The most obvious body that comes to mind for you is NCFM. I suggest you contact them even though I don't think they have quite what you want. (I am in UK and work internationally and multinationally in the MRM.) I can't think of an outfit in the USA that is ready-built for your interest. Keep asking, though, because there are people who might join and help a bit. Part of your problem is credibility unless joining someone already in that field. It might be necessary to work in an allied area, so …
/r/MensRights15/06/22 12:48 PM
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You'd be hard-pressed to find egalitarian issues which women need attention. Essentialist, yes, would attract women but why do you think the OP would not support women as well as men? He's antifeminist, not misogynist.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 07:08 AM
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There are many organisations helping men/father's/families/boys, though most are not charities. What kind of skills do you have, what interests you, and most importantly where are you?
/r/MensRights15/06/22 07:03 AM
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You are very close to an insight into men, here. What you have observed is also true for many white-collar workers, too. It is easier for those who have a lot of experience/confidence in what they are doing. One of the common statements I hear from suicidal men is that they aren't worth bothering about, they don't want to waste my time. Obviously, that is the extreme end of men who - EVERY time - will have sought help at some point and been rejected but the point remains: men are taught NOT to r…
/r/MensRights15/06/22 06:56 AM
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My thoughts exactly. Very few of the men with 100% custody win their kids from the mother, if they are honest. It's that the woman loses them. Even that can take effort from a man, as many courts (e.g. India, UK, Vietnam) are more inclined to put the kids into care than let a father {a man! Horrors!} have his children.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 06:37 AM
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Do not be openly against feminism. The feminists have the full 'wisdom' of cultural Marxism to lean on and will be tough enough without you painting a target on yourself. Be FOR equal treatment, freedom of expression, open student philosophical debate, supporting campus administration to help everyone. Use words like egalitarian, essentialism, equity, levelling up, evidence-based thinking - all things now under threat on your campus.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 06:26 AM
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It could also be called Egalitarian Club, Essentialism Debate Group, Students For Equal Treatment ...
/r/MensRights15/06/22 06:15 AM
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Yep. And if waitresses don't want to lose the tips, they need to get in the face of those who would ruin the field for them. I get the argument over not punishing all for the shit stirred by the few but the many need to be given incentive to turn on those few and stop the problem - because they can, but customers' only recourse is to stop tipping.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 06:06 AM
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Agreed except don't tell them you're letting them off. Demand an apology. You need that apology on your HR record, even if the accusation against you isn't there (yet).
/r/MensRights15/06/22 05:51 AM
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LOL I have spent quite enough time on feminist crap. If you use feminism to define The Patriarchy (bad grammar) then I'll tell you for free that it doesn't exist. If you define society as patriarchal in sociopolitical terms, then it benefits women mostly, and always had done. Similarly, if you are defining gender by woke/feminist terms, then I'll stop wasting my time. If you define it by sociological and anthropological terms, then you need to mature a bit and not imagine that some fad belief sy…
/r/MensRights15/06/22 04:02 AM
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Ok, let's say it is discriminatory. It is clearly discriminatory against men, since they are the ones left holding the burden of full time jobs while women are relaxing. Among the UK general practitioners in medicine this is getting so acute now that male doctors are increasingly packing up, citing the extra stress as a common reason. In Germany, it is such a problem in the legal field that special laws are being considered to make it illegal for clients to even ask if their counsel works a full…
/r/MensRights15/06/22 03:55 AM
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Add in commute time. I know it's unpaid but people decide how far they will travel depending on what pay they can get, so really it is part of the work effort being time expended to earn money. Men's extra traveling more than swallows up 2%. Oh, dear, now we take into consideration ALL the time put into earning money, it turns out that the average man earns less per hour than the average woman. That's automatically proof of DISCRIMINATION, right? Only now, it's discrimination against men.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 03:39 AM
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You need to learn how to listen and think. You show a disgusting level of contempt to all the women - let alone all the men - who oppose feminism in the hopes of having a healthy society. All the information and even a degree of personal help is available here to help you recover from feminism. But you have to want to get better.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 03:22 AM
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Patriarchal structures do not disadvantage women. Why do you think more women oppose feminism than support it? It's not entirely from altruistic motives.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 03:01 AM
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Feminism was never about equalising the sexes, ever. If it had been, there would have been campaigns - from the outset - to have given men more rights. There has NEVER been such a feminist campaign.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 02:58 AM
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So if you follow the 'logic' it leaves women, especially feminist women really frightened and thinking the only way to be safe is to lock away all men. So we go from delusion, through feelings of persecution to feminist-style fascism.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 08:56 PM
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Wow. Well written!
/r/MensRights13/06/22 08:45 PM
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You ask yourself "am I asking a woman". If yes, you are asking consent of someone whose consent might be withdrawn after the act. You know, because they are strong, independent, equal people. Or something.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 08:33 PM
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You are forgetting that feminists want the protector to be one of the lesbian sisterhood.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 08:21 PM
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Feminists believe all men are rapists, so it doesn't really matter what a woman says, all heterosexual sex is rape anyway. If it takes the law to say a man has to be a time-jumping mind-reader before sex is consensual, feminists will be happy with the outcome. And that is what most Affirmative Consent laws are about. That and trying to kill any loving passion between the sexes.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 08:16 PM
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It is not stated that she never gave consent. Perhaps he believed she had.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 08:09 PM
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Virtue signalling is more rewarding to these people than thinking about something. It's also a lot less effort for them.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 07:58 PM
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I agree about taking the blackmail threat to the police but urge doing so with legal representation.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 07:53 PM
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It could be what she's learned at school. It's scary what propaganda some teachers fill young minds with.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 07:50 PM
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Things are getting incredibly tough in India for men. I don't think I want to even visit there.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 11:08 AM
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I know we think similarly but I seriously wonder WHY people think feminism is about equality. From what I glean, it's not a claim made in feminist/gender studies, feminist organisations (with minor exceptions) don't say they're about equality, main feminist authors don't say so (well, okay Paglia has, but in other books she disputes it). So WHY does anyone say it is about equality? It is a serious question from someone who's looked into feminism pretty intensely.
/r/AntiFeminists13/06/22 04:05 AM
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The fee isn't paid to the government. People taken to court are not prosecuted by the Crown.
/r/MensRights13/06/22 03:55 AM
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I don't care about someone's wrongful definition. Feminism is what feminism does, with a tint of what it says. And it doesn't DO equality. And it doesn't WRITE equality. Feminism never was about equality from the inception. That's why the word came about - not because it means the same as egalitarian but so that it says something different.
/r/AntiFeminists13/06/22 03:51 AM
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That picture seems inappropriate for this forum. Sure be 'proud' of whatever you like but there's a time and a place..
/r/MensRights13/06/22 02:48 AM
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I have tried twice in the past 20 years to not be antifeminist, to be purely pro-male. Both times, on three different issues, I was opposed by feminist organisations. I'm not antifeminist by choice but because I cannot support the rights of men and children without opposing feminists. Since my two attempts, I have made a much more intense study of what feminism really is, and will not again mistake it for anything benign.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/22 01:18 AM
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Quite right. The fight for men's rights, and the wider fight for a healthy society, is not going to be won in a year or two and I doubt it will show much progress in my lifetime. If I can help stop the rot and, crucially, leave something for the next generation to use and build upon, I'll be content enough. That's why I am always encouraging people to join an organisation. Make more of your effort and when you take a break, what you achieved won't be wasted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/22 01:10 AM
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Well, for one thing don't pretend that Jordon is an MRA or that he is right wing. He does not advocate for men's rights, and if you watch some of his earliest material particularly, you would place him left of centre. In general, I think he just stands for what he stands for, which isn't particularly anyone else's colours.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/22 12:59 AM
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I will try to remember to give you some quotes and links when I'm out of my sickbed. Oddly, all I can think of right now is Hilary Burrage. She is an example of someone who has worked against FGM and talks of ending GM in general and has argued for feminists to work with the MRM to eradicate it. I have not talked with her for .. years but if you are a feminist, you should be able to track her down and see by inference that she has hit the same issue.
/r/AntiFeminists13/06/22 12:07 AM
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Did I say that? I would have meant to say that feminists promote MGM, and thereby worsen FGM, rather than end GM for all. Sorry for not being clear - I'm I'll in bed and not used to typing everything on a phone. The UN is a self-proclaimed feminist organisation and it promotes MGM. Try searching for UN Africa male circumcision. Message me if you can't find it and I'll send links when I am up
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 11:54 PM
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Thanks for backing up what I said. I am happy to help you further if you need it.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 11:45 PM
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Right, so you see they have a lot of rhetoric against FGM. Now see how much time and money they put into promoting and performing MGM. (And don't be fooled by the nonsense about MGM stopping AIDS - that lie was broken many years ago.)
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 11:26 PM
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No. I am saying that ending FGM would be more readily achieved by banning ALL GM but feminists won't do that.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 11:22 PM
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Given that no feminist organisation claims to be about equality, and no major feminist book espouses the concept of equality, why do you say that feminism is the fight for equality? Feminism as a word rose in the mid 19th century, as a counterpoint to another new concept, egalitarianism. Perhaps it is organisations supporting egalitarian principles that you should be looking for if you want to support equality.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 11:18 PM
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Why DO people think that feminism is anything to do with equality? What has any feminist organisation ever done to indicate that's what they want?
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 11:12 PM
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That's what they want!
/r/MensRights12/06/22 11:09 PM
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It is not a criminal matter. Only criminal law can send someone to prison and an unpaid debt such as the TV licence is civil law.
/r/MensRights12/06/22 11:09 PM
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There is no bias against women in the UK in any crime category. Check out empathygap.uk for good investigative articles on this topic (and much more).
/r/MensRights12/06/22 11:04 PM
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Not paying the TV licence is not a criminal matter. It is the same as any other private debt, and nobody can be sent to jail for a civil law issue such as this.
/r/MensRights12/06/22 11:00 PM
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My comment was meant to come off as feminist in nature. Too many people are blindly imagining that feminists will suddenly start being sane and reasonable people just because of a single court case. They are underestimating the power of feminist delusion
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 10:05 PM
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Feminists 'know' what was proven: that the courts are against women.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 07:00 PM
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Never forgetting that the property was mostly taken from poor peasant farmers, who were simply the first to die of starvation as a result.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:58 PM
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Oh yes, that's not a problem for feminism. Feminism allows for men to be victims, so long as they are victims of the feminist bogeyman The Patriarchy.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:54 PM
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That's just a result of his brutal domination over her. Or his failure as a man, which is another form of domestic violence done to her.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:50 PM
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The sad part is that the rules are as blatantly partisan as you stated, yet these people are nevertheless taken seriously.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:48 PM
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When it is well documented that women commit the majority of child abuse.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:45 PM
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Yes you will see this in feminist papers on DV. You can't be ironic about feminist statements!
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:43 PM
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This isn't news, either. Erin Pizzey, who set up the first dv shelters for women and for men, said that the majority of the women were as violent, or more violent than the men they were 'escaping' from. That was over 50 years ago.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:41 PM
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Feminists do not manipulate the system to benefit women. They manipulate the system to benefit themselves and further the objectives of feminism. Men are getting worse treatment than women but women are already finding that feminism is not in their favour either.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:35 PM
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Why do you consider yourself a feminist? Are you unaware of the social damage feminism is intentionally doing, or are you in favour of the destruction of society and the general wider objectives?
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:27 PM
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Look up what the United Nations is doing in Africa. If you aren't aware the UN is a feminist organisation, look up that first. That's not the only feminist group and not the only continent but it's the easiest example.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 06:22 PM
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Which could be acceptable if women were turned to to provide compensating service or men were given a compensating benefit. That would mean we just drop the equality experiment altogether, of course.
/r/MensRights12/06/22 06:19 PM
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What you are saying is that men and women are not the same, that they are not equal. Personally, I agree but men's rights have been eroded on the basis that men and women are equal. Until society stops even pretending that equal treatment is the primary social objective, men MUST insist on the equality they are said to be due. Because whatever the feminists say, you can't have equality only for some people: that isn't equality at all.
/r/MensRights12/06/22 06:12 PM
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It's to do with whether a person - or a country - supposedly supports equality. If men's rights are held back on the mantra of equality then men have to demand equality even if they believe in essentialism. To accept essentialism for men but equality for women, is to promote female supremacy. That's how we got into this mess.
/r/MensRights12/06/22 06:00 PM
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That might be fine, so long as nobody pretended there was equality - and gave men some recompense, like free further education.
/r/MensRights12/06/22 05:53 PM
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Feminism promotes MGM and argues against the end to ALL GM. This is proven to hurt the move against FGM but it's just one example where feminists show more willing to hurt males than help females.
/r/AntiFeminists12/06/22 05:39 PM
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Most children are safe with any mature adult but women commit more child abuse than men.
/r/MensRights11/06/22 09:07 PM
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I recommend Herbert Purdy's book from LPS Publishing, "Their Angry Creed". He is not the most scholarly on this subject but is easy to read and my spot-checks on his claims has never found him at fault.
/r/MensRights11/06/22 02:26 PM
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Oh yeah, it's much easier sliding down into a pit than climbing out! Just take it a step at a time, finishing one step before starting the next. And treat yourself with the same kindness you would show a best friend.
/r/MensRights11/06/22 12:47 PM
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For me, a lot of things fell into place about how humans are built when I heard the phrase "Women are human beings; Men are human doings." There is a great deal to this. The advantage is that even an ugly guy can look good so long as he does things. I recommend getting some self-help books, affirmation routines and look for what you can do, not at what you can't.
/r/MensRights11/06/22 12:38 PM
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FACTS!! How typical to care more about bloody facts instead of accepting what feminism says 🤔
/r/MensRights11/06/22 12:09 PM
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I might not be. But I learned a long time ago not to bother debating in a feminist arena. The only time it is worth discussing with feminists is when there is an audience you can sway.
/r/AntiFeminists11/06/22 12:04 PM
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Most women are still there. Only a fairly small proportion have gone.
/r/MensRights11/06/22 11:53 AM
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You might have thought the UN would try stopping the cutting of male genitals just as they do with females. But instead they have massive propaganda campaigns to encourage men to be circumcised, they have 'education' programs teaching people that it prevents HIV (it doesn't), they fund mobile lorries going around removing foreskins.. The social, personal and medical trauma being created by this misandric campaign is huge. MSF have said it is increasing STDs. And we pay for it.
/r/AntiFeminists11/06/22 11:49 AM
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She accused a police officer. Of course, rather than usual police procedure, this time they checked the evidence first. Now, if only they would do that on every accusation..
/r/MensRights11/06/22 02:41 AM
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Jewish, Muslim, American, or fooled by the United Nations' massive campaign to commit genital mutilation. There is still a lot of it going on and although it is rightly loosing ground generally, the UN is spending huge amounts of tax money to increase it.
/r/AntiFeminists10/06/22 11:10 PM
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