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You honestly need therapy. I don't say this as an insult. I say it as a person who is probably old enough to be your mother and is recognizing you engaging in unhealthy thought processes.
/r/ExRedPill28/08/23 08:44 PM
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I don’t think it’s a feminine trait to want to be loved and valued. It’s just the way normal people interact. Redpill is a grift to get money from angry, antisocial young men.
/r/ExRedPill22/08/23 08:56 PM
5

I have met women who use sex to get attention, and it’s really unhealthy, but women like sex, too.
/r/ExRedPill21/08/23 04:09 PM
6

It implies that you have to be the one doing the using and abusing instead.
/r/ExRedPill20/08/23 01:20 PM
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I think it’s important for people to see that this material targets people who are very young. I hear a myth circulating often that guys turn to redpill after they’ve been rejected by women for superficial reasons, but you were drawn to this material before most people even start dating.
/r/ExRedPill20/08/23 01:19 PM
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How’s that working for you? My experience is that angry people don’t do that well in love.
/r/ExRedPill17/08/23 10:47 PM
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I’m married and have 2 kids. I’m a feminist and had a body count of higher than 3 when I met my husband when I was 28 and he was 25. We’ve been together for 19 years, married for 18. Totally monogamous. He makes 6 figures and I just started a teaching career in a state that pays teachers well. What about you?
/r/ExRedPill17/08/23 10:46 PM
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Fascinating. My husband makes six figures. He didn’t when he was young and I was a young feminist with a body count over 3. You’re threatening women with being left rejected and alone, but yet women are suffering exactly zero negative consequences by not committing to men who treat them with contempt and call them names. Now let’s talk about you. If you’re making money, that’s great! Put that towards investments like a stock portfolio and a home and build your future! But why are you so angry?
/r/ExRedPill17/08/23 10:29 PM
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So she’s supposed to have a low body count, but he’s mad that she won’t just drop her panties when he wants? This is the problem with manosphere content. It assumes male/female interactions are inherently a zero-sum game, but it can’t figure out why women wouldn’t volunteer to be the losers in this scenario.
/r/ExRedPill14/08/23 05:10 PM
7

The point is to convince them to buy premium content, books, etc.
/r/ExRedPill14/08/23 12:23 AM
21

A scam to convince misogynistic young men that they can be sexually successful while continuing to hate women.
/r/ExRedPill13/08/23 11:12 PM
22

So you aren’t really redpill if you’ve got female friends, which redpill says you can’t actually have.
/r/ExRedPill13/08/23 04:56 PM
16

Just curious: has redpill led you to greater success in your interpersonal relationships? How many friends have distanced themselves? How many women have ghosted you?
/r/ExRedPill13/08/23 04:06 PM
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Okay. That doesn’t make it common
/r/ExRedPill03/08/23 05:04 PM
9

Yeah I don’t think anyone has dated him for himself in a long time
/r/ExRedPill01/08/23 09:30 PM
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Women usually prefer guys close to their own age. The phenomenon of women who date older rich men is real, but those women are looking for transactional relationships and aren’t going to be the ride-or-die types.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/23 11:32 PM
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Do you think a high body count also devalues men?
/r/ExRedPill23/07/23 10:06 PM
2

Assuming they’re not being trafficked and forced by a pimp to do cam work.
/r/ExRedPill23/07/23 10:06 PM
4

So why do you think this is going to be an issue for you?
/r/ExRedPill23/07/23 10:05 PM
4

Do you think that most women have onlyfans?
/r/ExRedPill23/07/23 10:01 PM
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Sex work has always existed. Onlyfans has the advantage that it puts sex workers more in control of their own business than other sex work outlets in history, but ultimately, most sex workers aren’t in the business because they like it. They’re in it because using what they have to make money is what works for them. I don’t think this makes them bad people, but it does make their situation kind of sad. I also don’t think that the people who condemn them are actually concerned about their childre…
/r/ExRedPill23/07/23 10:00 PM
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Redpill doesn’t recognize different kinds of feminism. Third wave and Catharine MacKinnon are the same to them.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/23 07:31 PM
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Nah
/r/ExRedPill21/07/23 07:24 PM
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What’s radical about asserting that women are intellectually equal to men and should be recognized as actualized and autonomous humans?
/r/ExRedPill21/07/23 07:23 PM
1

I scored 142.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/23 06:35 PM
3

I mean, James Woods is an example.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/23 02:31 PM
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Why would you assume feminists are low IQ? I’ve had my IQ tested in a proper testing setting with a test adjudicator, not an online self test, when I got tested for ADHD. I’ve got a genius-level IQ. I’m a feminist. I’m also married and have kids. What I see from adherents of redpill is that they’re single and bitter and telling married men and women how they should have done everything differently and how they don’t deserve the life they already have. It’s just whiny coping.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/23 02:30 PM
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There is a massive gulf between “not a virgin” and “meaningless sex/hoe phase.” Most people your age have had previous relationships. Most of those relationships weren’t with “Chad” and didn’t involve meaningless sex. By the time I was your age, I had had two 1-year relationships that ultimately didn’t work out because of compatibility issues. The fact that you assume that there’s a binary between only ever having one partner for life vs. having indiscriminate sex with no emotion involved is the…
/r/ExRedPill19/07/23 09:04 PM
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That’s really well-said
/r/ExRedPill19/07/23 03:26 PM
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I don’t think they have relationship trauma that can be blamed on their mothers. I think redpill offers men a power fantasy, and young boys who have no power find it attractive. The problem is that it’s illusory and leads to social isolation later.
/r/ExRedPill19/07/23 01:23 PM
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A lot of these guys aren’t trauma victims. Again, middle schoolers spew this stuff.
/r/ExRedPill19/07/23 01:04 PM
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Maybe you don’t have such good character if your supervillain origin story is that you were confronted with the reality that women are autonomous humans.
/r/ExRedPill19/07/23 12:27 PM
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The only time I ever let a guy pay for everything, he told me he wanted to pay for everything and then threw it in my face.
/r/ExRedPill18/07/23 10:37 PM
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Hating women was always the point, though
/r/ExRedPill17/07/23 07:25 PM
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It’s real but not universal. Moralizing handwringers have been whining about casual sex since forever.
/r/ExRedPill17/07/23 12:37 PM
1

I mean, thanks. Rejecting misogynistic bullshit has worked great for me so far.
/r/ExRedPill16/07/23 11:22 PM
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The core message is to hate women but still fuck them.
/r/ExRedPill16/07/23 01:19 AM
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Because it’s a get-rich quick scheme. They can’t preach going to college because you actually have to have brains to pull that off. They need to make it looks like it’s yours for the taking.
/r/ExRedPill14/07/23 11:44 PM
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I’m an actual woman. I think you’re wrong.
/r/ExRedPill14/07/23 09:36 PM
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Why do adult women need to be led? Also, are you married? How long? Does she submit to you?
/r/ExRedPill14/07/23 01:21 PM
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It’s shitty, controlling behavior
/r/ExRedPill12/07/23 05:20 PM
4

I don’t think we needed redpill to tell us that. Everyone already knew that success and confidence were attractive.
/r/ExRedPill12/07/23 03:30 PM
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They claim that those guys are simping and the girls don’t really want them and are cheating on them. It’s the ultimate trump card. You have everything they claim you’re supposed to want, but it still doesn’t count.
/r/ExRedPill12/07/23 03:29 PM
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I assume a lot of the creators don’t actually believe what they say and are just in it for the grift
/r/ExRedPill12/07/23 03:32 AM
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I don’t think it’s even a typical pattern
/r/ExRedPill11/07/23 05:07 PM
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I don’t think it’s true. I see very young men getting into this stuff, sometimes as teenagers. They assume nobody is going to like them so they get angry.
/r/ExRedPill11/07/23 02:21 PM
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Because they market to people who hate women but also want to fuck them. It’s really that simple.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/23 07:09 PM
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I have been told that men who share resources, care if women have orgasms, commit to marriage, and help with housework and childcare are beta simps. That’s why women supposedly don’t want them. I joke that they sound like ideal husbands, and I’m lucky I married a guy like that.
/r/ExRedPill02/07/23 09:07 PM
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Then you’re obviously a beta cuck simp (sarcasm)
/r/ExRedPill02/07/23 08:50 PM
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He’s a grifter whose wife left him. He sells the idea that hating women makes you fuckable, and guys who want to hate women and also fuck them pay money to hear him talk.
/r/ExRedPill02/07/23 02:09 PM
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If you follow his advice, you too can end up divorced with a child who refuses to speak to you
/r/ExRedPill02/07/23 01:44 PM
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I agree with this. The combination of men being bigger and stronger, and of women’s vulnerability in pregnancy and their role in breastfeeding infants and toddlers meant women needed protection in order to perpetuate the species. This is no longer the case. We don’t need to fight off predators anymore, and most humans live in houses. The attempt to continue to emphasize women’s increased vulnerability in a civilized society is ridiculous.
/r/ExRedPill01/07/23 03:48 PM
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The reason they hate stepfathers is they want women to suffer for being divorced, and women’s ability to get married again takes that away.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/23 12:35 PM
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Okay, but a person who’s 30 and not yet married can end up with several or even a dozen previous sex partners and never have engaged in casual sex.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/23 08:18 PM
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I think there’s a range, and it depends how long the guy has been single. I think triple digits, implying he’s having lots of casual sex, would bother me, but if he were having serial relationships ranging from months to years, it wouldn’t. In that way, a guy my age (I’m in my 40s) who had, say, 20 partners, wouldn’t bother me.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/23 08:16 PM
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How is he successful? Does he own a house?
/r/ExRedPill27/06/23 11:43 AM
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Simply not true. People of all classes meet and marry.
/r/ExRedPill26/06/23 08:23 PM
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What amazes me is that I feel that my lived experience is a testament to the second set of truths, but redpill men will still tell me I am wrong. I met my husband when I was 28 and he was 25. I had had multiple relationships before him. Neither of us are particularly stylish dressers or in peak physical shape, but we love each other because we have compatible personalities. Redpill doesn’t even acknowledge that personality is a thing at all. We enjoy growing together as humans, learning and enjo…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/23 04:56 PM
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Absolutely not. Plenty of people identify as incels as young teenagers. It’s a function of being perpetually online in the wrong spaces
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 10:19 PM
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Incels repel people because they make presumptions about strangers and/or give off aggressive, creepy energy. It's not about being shy or awkward, or having a bad haircut. Not everyone who is single is an incel, either.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 05:38 PM
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Not in the long run.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 05:19 PM
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Look at all the high-profile incels who make the news. Most of them are not ugly in a way that would be repellent to women. They're self-isolating and engaging in antisocial behavior. It's not just a matter of "good-looking asshole" vs. "ugly asshole."
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 04:57 PM
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My point is, though, that it's not just normal weird stuff that's driving women away, and I think it does a disservice to everyone to pretend it is. If incels are just guys who need to get a better haircut, then there's a legitimate argument that women could be less superficial and let them in. The reason incels are repelling women is that they are choosing to by having repugnant beliefs and the desire to abuse women.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 03:02 PM
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But it's not totally traditionalist. Older women who are married and have children were not devalued in traditionalist society, while redpill encourages men to ditch older women and get with younger women.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 02:22 PM
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Well, yeah. This is why there's no legitimacy to the redpill movement. They just want to condemn women for everything, and they assume all male/female interaction is a zero-sum game that diminishes women and augments men. And they wonder why they're single.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 02:21 PM
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I have an ex-boyfriend who was sexually assaulted as a minor. He was never an incel. This isn't an excuse.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 02:20 PM
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The reasons incels can't get dates aren't because of their hair or clothes, though.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/23 02:19 PM
1

Again I don’t think anyone is telling you this
/r/ExRedPill22/06/23 08:37 PM
6

Dominant and assertive are not the same thing
/r/ExRedPill22/06/23 08:23 PM
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OK, I doubt this is true. I've never heard a woman say to a man that he wasn't dominant or masculine enough. I think you're winding us up.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/23 07:16 PM
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Maybe ask them to be brutally honest with you about what you need to do differently.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/23 05:34 PM
8

You say that you have female friends. Try asking them to set you up with someone who's single.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/23 05:11 PM
3

So I think you need to give less advice and take more.
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 04:58 PM
2

Um, I'm a feminist and I really like being married. Are you married?
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 04:14 PM
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Because feminism is an equality movement and redpill is a toxic cult.
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 04:12 PM
2

Right? My neighbors are retired, and they garden all day. It's so obvious that the garden is their happy place. And I really love that for them. So much better than drinking and watching Fox News.
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 04:11 PM
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I'm just intrigued by the fact that so many redpill "lions" are failures at interpersonal relationships. Rich Cooper is divorced. Stephen Crowder is divorced. Paul Elam is divorced (twice). A lot of the other redpill personalities are single and only in shallow relationships where they use people and people use them. If that's the kind of life you want, fine, but wanting to build something bigger with a person you like being with is so much more rewarding IMO. Edit to add that the "aware of fema…
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 04:04 PM
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Rich Cooper's wife left him. In what way is he successful?
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 03:29 PM
3

Thanks!
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 03:26 PM
4

I never saw that. I am amazed that a married person would take advice on relationships from someone with a failed marriage
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 02:02 PM
3

That’s definitely a thing for some people. I’m a bad dancer, but I absolutely respect people who go to a club to dance to music they like
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 02:01 PM
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Okay. What do you think he would say that was different? He was never redpill. He didn't make a point of sleeping with 50 women before meeting me or write me off because I had a body count higher than 3.
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 12:59 AM
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But Redpill describes all of their meetings as being "in the club."
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 12:56 AM
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I wouldn't know. I've never met any guy I ever dated at a bar. I met a couple of guys through synagogue, a couple through school, a couple through work, and I met my husband on a bus.
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 12:46 AM
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So I've looked up sponsorship on youtube, and 100K isn't the threshold at which it's really paying out. Unless a video is getting a million or more views, it's probably paying out at no more than $50/1000 views. That's $5000 per video. So yeah, these guys are making money, but it's not millionaire earnings. And they're probably making less than that.
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 12:45 AM
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That's interesting, because according to redpill, bars are where you meet women.
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 12:39 AM
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Right. But the problem with Redpill is that it's so reductive. Nobody wants to be poor, and most people want to be better looking and in better shape, but Redpill never suggests that there are any other ways that you can improve yourself. They don't tell you to go back to school, read great literature, learn languages, or learn a trade. The only way that they envision people making money is through entrepreneurship, when in reality, most people aren't entrepreneurs, and most entrepreneurs don't …
/r/ExRedPill20/06/23 12:38 AM
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Did you know that because there's less social pressure to settle down, that divorces as a percentage of marriages are way down, too? That number is declining. Basically, people are getting the idea that they don't have to get married, so they're not if they don't really want to.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 11:36 PM
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Encouraging people to be well-rounded individuals is something that you should do whether or not you're in a relationship. Don't become one of those retired people who has no idea what to do with themselves.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 11:33 PM
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Working out and trying to maximize your earnings isn't unique to redpill.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 11:32 PM
5

This is a guy in his 40s. I'm also in my 40s, though I haven't been on the dating market for a long time. It's not my experience that women bully other women into getting away from men they might otherwise be interested in. What more likely happens is that a woman is looking for an "out" when talking to a guy she's not into, and her friend is the one to give that to her.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 11:30 PM
7

Your assertion that women bully other women into not talking to you makes you sound like an unreliable narrator of your own story
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 08:35 PM
5

So what encourages you to make advances in the first place?
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 06:55 PM
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So your problem isn’t meeting people. You seem a little too wrapped up in game theory-ing this, but let’s put that aside for a minute. What do you value in people other than looks? What do you look for in a woman other than willingness to go out with you?
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 06:22 PM
4

So you’ve never dated, but you think he knows about dating? And you think you know enough to tell others whose advice to take?
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 05:43 PM
5

So just curious: How old are you, what kind of environment do you live in (city, suburban, rural, college campus), and what are your interests? Do you have same-sex friendships offline?
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 05:16 PM
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Rich Cooper's wife left him. And even better, he claims women leave men who cheat because of "hypergamy," so I suspect that the reason she left was because he cheated. And now he's single.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 04:48 PM
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Why would anyone take advice from someone who fails at the thing they're giving advice on? I wouldn't take financial advice from someone who was broke, and I wouldn't take relationship advice from someone who was single.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 04:47 PM
3

The people who founded and forwarded most of the science of psychology were/are men. Why do redpill guys act like it's a feminist conspiracy to make men into women?
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 04:46 PM
3

Just curious: How has this benefited you in life? Are you in a happy, stable relationship from using these tools? Why not?
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 04:45 PM
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I think you should reflect on your own life and whether any of this crap has ever worked for you. And if it hasn't, maybe you should think about how using "hacks" to trick people into liking you isn't a great strategy to having a relationship.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 04:44 PM
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These guys are talking about manipulating women to make them cry so they don’t feel in control. This is why you are single. If you mistreat people, they will move on.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 01:33 PM
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Oh, incidentally, in 2008 and 2010, my husband got laid off. It was the recession and funding for his whole industry was cut. I never considered leaving him.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 12:56 PM
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That sounds like a lot of words for “I want to abuse women because I think it’s unmanly to be kind.” I’m married. We’re still stupid in love after 19 years together. You should be taking advice from me.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 12:55 PM
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She dumped him but he thinks he’s in control? Maybe treat people better and you won’t get dumped!
/r/ExRedPill19/06/23 12:18 PM
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No, but I also work.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/23 06:56 PM
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I’m older than my husband who is also 5’7”. We’ve been together 19 years. He just cracked me up on the shampoo aisle while we were shopping.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/23 04:54 PM
1

Please include SpeechProf! He’s great!
/r/ExRedPill18/06/23 01:43 AM
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I think it's a cope. These are guys who hate women and who hate men who like women. The fact that there are men who are out there with women and not focusing on dominating them all the time is proof that they don't have to be this way in order to get with women. And they want to be cruel to women, and they don't want to face the fact that their lack of success with women is their own fault.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/23 05:51 PM
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You know, when I was 30, I was married and pregnant, but I didn't have my career on track the way I wanted it, and I kind of unraveled, too. I think that people put a lot of pressure on themselves to have it all figured out by 30. When I realized that 30 wasn't actually an expiration date, I felt much better. I'm 47 now and just finishing my first year of teaching, having stayed at home with two kids through their preschool years and then gone back to school myself. Life is long and you've got t…
/r/ExRedPill13/06/23 06:27 PM
1

The only place that short men fare worse is on dating apps, and only 25% of people find their mate through apps.
/r/ExRedPill13/06/23 04:43 PM
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So you've decided that you're never going to get a date after never having spoken to a girl. Wow, that really makes you an expert. And also, as I've said before, more than half of men/boys aged 15 and up are fathers. And obviously, that's a number that's skewed low because most people under their early 20s aren't parents but plan to be later in life. So if more than half of men are fathers, and not all men who are not fathers are celibate, presumably plenty of guys who are not celibate are also …
/r/ExRedPill13/06/23 04:20 PM
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Well, that's the point, isn't it? Redpill isn't actually traditional, because tearing down a woman who wasn't perfectly beautiful and holding her up for humiliation would have been considered terrible behavior in older times. For instance, Abigail Adams, one of the most respected first ladies, was kinda plain. And how do we know this? Nobody mentions her appearance. They talk about how smart and capable and generally awesome she was. Meanwhile, Dolly Madison has a lot written about her appearanc…
/r/ExRedPill13/06/23 02:31 PM
4

You’re wrong. Your height isn’t why women reject you.
/r/ExRedPill13/06/23 11:04 AM
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Nope. That’s nearly a full standard deviation above the mean, which is only about 25-30% of men. I am guessing you’ve never taken a statistics class.
/r/ExRedPill13/06/23 11:03 AM
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There is no unified redpill "philosophy." There's just a bunch of guys who want to use women as cum socks and not actually have to have human relationships. They don't care about women's emotions or wants or needs or human capabilities. They just want an attractive object that they can use and discard at will. Of course they would support polygamy. They would support anything that benefits them. Also, polygamy has been greatly in decline over the last couple of millennia. https://www.pewresearch…
/r/ExRedPill12/06/23 12:24 PM
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Nope, it’s actually what you’re saying. We created the market for the shoes and the people willing to do the work are there only because we want shoes. If men stop wanting sex workers, women will stop doing sex work.
/r/ExRedPill11/06/23 12:44 PM
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It shows that they have fantasies about controlling women
/r/ExRedPill11/06/23 04:09 AM
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This is why I don't participate in "purple pill debate." There's no legitimate position to be redpill. It's choosing to abuse women or not.
/r/ExRedPill11/06/23 02:06 AM
1

You think they'll still be doing this when they're 40?
/r/ExRedPill11/06/23 01:54 AM
1

Women never coined this phrase. I am in my 40s I used to read magazines before the internet was a thing. I learned about the 3-date rule and the Freshman 15, but I never heard about the 3 sixes or the 6 sixes until very recently, and only from redpill/incel men
/r/ExRedPill09/06/23 07:38 PM
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Hi, I'm an actual woman here: Brad Pitt has been hot since he was a breakout nobody, and he's aging beautifully. Most women think he's hot. Tom Cruise is batshit crazy, but he's also hot, and he's short. Other guys who are hot and under 6': Emile Hirsch, Topher Grace, Robert Downey Jr., Ben Stiller
/r/ExRedPill09/06/23 04:14 PM
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It's a cope. Obviously, you can't control your height, and these guys want to believe that they're rejected through no fault of their own. If they're not wealthy, they could argue that it's up to them to optimize their earnings. If they're not fit, they can argue that they can get fit. Whether or not these are true (and there's a valid argument that both fitness and wealth contain some elements that are beyond people's control), there's no arguing that height is just genetics. I've heard some re…
/r/ExRedPill09/06/23 04:11 PM
1

I don't exactly remember, but I think he was whining that nerdy guys can't get dates. Nerdy guys who are cool with dating nerdy girls usually do just fine.
/r/ExRedPill08/06/23 04:18 PM
1

OK, but I'm a Jew, not a Buddhist, and my religion discourages asceticism and hermitage. Why should I agree with Buddha? We're in the world and we're social creatures.
/r/ExRedPill08/06/23 02:11 AM
1

So the key to happiness is rejecting heterosexual relationships?
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 11:52 PM
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I think that some aren’t (guys like Rich Cooper), some don’t believe the shit they spew (like Rollo), and some are young and will outgrow it (fresh & fit).
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 10:03 PM
3

Sure but maybe focus on quality of connection rather than just hitting on everyone
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 07:53 PM
2

I would argue that makes sense. Incidentally, why do redpillers have the belief that this doesn't ruin men for pair bonding?
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 04:10 PM
5

I like being married and so does my husband.
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 03:58 PM
3

No, he wanted to get married and never did.
/r/ExRedPill07/06/23 11:36 AM
4

And yet they never see how this worldview isn't paying dividends for them.
/r/ExRedPill06/06/23 10:14 PM
3

The other thing is, if a woman is a non-virgin when she meets the guy she wants to settle down with, they assume the was used and discarded by guys who mistreated her. I had several sex partners before I met my husband at the age of 28. Most of them were nice guys. A few of them were even long-term relationships. Most of them I parted amicably with, and some I keep in touch with. With all of them, the issue was compatibility, not merit. I wasn't looking for "better" in some sort of empirical mea…
/r/ExRedPill06/06/23 10:14 PM
5

Okay, but these are human beings, not free throws.
/r/ExRedPill06/06/23 05:36 PM
18

The fact that you're trying to game theory this means that you're not going to find anyone. I knew a guy like you when I was in my 20s. He was convinced that there were so many great women out there that the strategy was to go out and get one. He was constantly asking for numbers, etc. He's in his 50s now and never married. If you want to meet someone, find someone you like who likes the things you like. Get to know people as people.
/r/ExRedPill06/06/23 12:25 PM
4

Nobody cares if men are happily single. Bitter single men abound, and they have opinions about women.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/23 07:56 PM
0

Well, yes, because that’s the actually problematic behavior I witness. Men being single who don’t criticize women usually have female friends who love them.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/23 04:04 PM
2

Nobody has a problem with men just being single when they’re not giving women a hard time.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/23 03:05 PM
3

When those men preach to women about how they should change themselves instead of looking inward at their own social failures, yes. Women are constantly told to change themselves to attract men. Men get angry at the idea that they might have to meet anyone halfway.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/23 01:59 PM
4

It’s part of the patriarchy to teach women that they should frame all their wants and desires around having a husband.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/23 03:36 AM
7

Just...don't? Assume that your girlfriend is on an equal level with you.
/r/ExRedPill02/06/23 06:33 PM
9

Yes, obviously, because redpill is a grift and it's all bullshit. Trying to game theory relationships is just going to leave you angry and bitter.
/r/ExRedPill02/06/23 03:52 PM
4

So you’re saying that a guy who sat at home and never met anyone suddenly went out and talked to someone and had a one-night stand, and that this is the magic of redpill and his problems are solved?
/r/ExRedPill01/06/23 09:05 PM
0

Sounds like you don’t have much to support your claims
/r/ExRedPill01/06/23 07:24 PM
2

And the greatest champions of good men who are mistreated by the courts are feminists. There's nothing that says a woman is a better parent just by virtue of being a woman.
/r/ExRedPill01/06/23 05:54 PM
2

Considering how misogynistic these movements are, I don't think there are too many women who support them, except for maybe father's rights. But honestly, father's rights is mostly a bad-faith argument. Most of the guys who claim to prioritize father's rights don't actually care about fathers or children and just want to run down women. These same men would argue against men paying child support to their exes.
/r/ExRedPill01/06/23 05:47 PM
5

The problem with this is that the patriarchy skewed things so much in favor of men that women were harmed. If women can achieve equality and have a more fair deal, why wouldn't they take it? If men think they can get a "traditional woman," then go for it. But the thing is, traditional women want men with similarly traditional values, namely men who are themselves sexually circumspect, who are providers, and who don't abandon them. Redpill men aren't interested in this.
/r/ExRedPill01/06/23 04:59 PM
19

You can pick apart any ideology and find something positive about it. Literally any one. That doesn't make it good overall. My husband is 5'7". Maybe the issue isn't your height?
/r/ExRedPill01/06/23 04:56 PM
14

Because there are messages conveyed to boys at a young age that women are bad, and there’s cognitive dissonance created when men both want to hate women and also have sex with them. They then receive a lot of messaging that says that they are the main character and women are just accessories who will fall in line for them, but it doesn’t happen. Also that it’s feminine (bad) to want love and commitment. Also the message that women lose value as they age. Redpill promises: 1. Sex with no conseque…
/r/ExRedPill01/06/23 10:57 AM
2

For men, I guess. It doesn't promote a traditional relationship dynamic, at least.
/r/ExRedPill01/06/23 12:00 AM
8

I think all women want men who are kind and interesting to be around. Also the ability to be responsible for yourself is pretty attractive in an adult man.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 08:20 PM
7

My sister, mom, best girlfriend and I all have very different taste in men
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 06:07 PM
2

He was joking
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 05:39 PM
5

What are typical women?
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 05:36 PM
1

Redpill doesn’t promote traditional values, incidentally.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 05:35 PM
3

Oh, I didn't say me. I've always been one of those non-neurotypical no-filter people. I have given lessons to multiple guys on how to get me off. But a lot of women are taught to make everyone happy but themselves.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 04:57 PM
3

How would you know? You're a virgin. A lot of women are insecure, and a lot of men can't handle criticism, so there's that.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 04:51 PM
1

Okay, but it should be the argument that shuts this bullshit down. If your assertion is that women can't pair bond if they have more than 3 partners because of *checks notes* a study on bird behavior, why does this not apply to men, too? The same men who rail on women's body counts idealize men who brag about having slept with hundreds of women.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 04:49 PM
3

Uh, no? Women can orgasm multiple times, sequentially. If a woman isn't having an orgasm, then nobody is stimulating her in the way that brings her to orgasm.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 04:44 PM
4

Most women CAN orgasm. Most do not from sex with men. Most men don't care about women's feelings.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 04:42 PM
2

Where? I'm just seeing people talk about women.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 04:40 PM
2

Remember, women with high body counts can't pair bond, but this guy is a stud bagging 4 different women every week. That's more than 200 women a year, and probably thousands in his lifetime. Because all of this is totally true and not made up.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 11:56 AM
1

You're claiming to be a medical student, and you're saying you went out 4 times this week and found random women to hook up with? LOL.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 11:55 AM
2

I don’t think medical students have lots of time to fuck around on Reddit and TikTok.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 11:25 AM
1

No you’re not.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 11:19 AM
2

Incels love to complain about how women don’t deserve autonomy and should be distributed to men like a welfare check.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 11:18 AM
3

Women initiate divorce because married men treat their wives like servants.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 10:27 AM
2

I’m a nerd who prefers nerdy guys
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 01:29 AM
2

Okay then don’t. Nobody cares. We don’t have an agenda to force you to marry a single mom.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 01:24 AM
13

They don’t like real women. They want real life anime characters.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 01:21 AM
5

I don’t have TikTok, but I know a lot of women in real life and none of them say that. Maybe your sample is skewed.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 12:28 AM
3

Where?
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 12:25 AM
2

Nobody is forcing you to be with a single mother. The question was whether to avoid them. My experience is that finding someone you vibe with is harder if you eliminate everyone whose life hasn’t been perfect. If you are going to be jealous of a woman giving her kids the attention they need, it’s probably better for you never to date.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 12:10 AM
5

Thank you!
/r/ExRedPill31/05/23 12:05 AM
7

It is, though, because nobody ever accuses men of being incapable of pair bonding
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 11:24 PM
3

Was it IDEAL for me to commit to a guy who lived 800 miles away from me and who had a dad with a degenerative disease whom he supported because said father had self-neglected for so many years and had no paper trail with which to receive disability benefits? Absolutely not. Did I do it? Yes. Are we still together and happy 19 years later? Yes. Life is messy. Waiting for an ideal scenario is a great way to never get what you want.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 06:50 PM
5

All people have some sort of stressors in their lives. If it's not baby daddy drama, it's her own children's drama. A child's immediate needs should always be prioritized over a partner's. Children are parents' responsibility. That's the same if they're your kids or your stepkids. Presumably she will be receiving child support which is supposed to provide for the kid.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 06:18 PM
4

Why?
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 06:14 PM
6

But is that the best financial decision? Children are expensive. It's cheaper to not have them. Or maybe you're just looking for an ex-post-facto reason to devalue divorced mothers.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 05:52 PM
5

Are finances the only reason to get in a relationship?
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 05:51 PM
2

If he loves her and wants to be with her, why not?
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 05:50 PM
3

To be fair, I edited it. I meant to say childbirth and I wrote the wrong thing.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 05:43 PM
22

So you just write things and that's a thing you think you've proven? Show me some statistics.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 05:32 PM
9

Sorry, meant to say childbirth. Abortion is less dangerous than childbirth. Legally, a fertilized egg is not a person and a baby is. If we gave fertilized eggs the same status as people, it would cause a dilemma, namely, that the hormonal changes caused by breastfeeding an infant can cause a fertilized egg to fail to implant. This means that breastfeeding while sexually active would be impossible without committing child endangerment. Re: Planned Parenthood, you got a link to support that?
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 05:15 PM
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The vast majority of abortions occur before the fetus even has limbs. Also, abortion is much safer than childbirth. Claiming that all the real data is hidden isn't going to persuade me.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 04:22 PM
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Probably. There's also the fact that there's social stigma against women's sexual habits, no matter what they are, and that this social stigma doesn't have to exist. So one could argue that smashing the patriarchy would improve mental health.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 04:19 PM
7

Well-read from what sources and experienced from what personal experiences? Do you have a degree? Are you in a relationship? What empirical truth makes it matter if a woman has had sex before she commits?
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 04:17 PM
10

On what authority do you speak?
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 04:06 PM
10

I don't think that body count matters. And honestly, I do think that fidelity in a monogamous relationship does matter. I've got a perfect record on that. I'm also pro-choice but probably wouldn't have an abortion (I never had an unplanned pregnancy and thus never had to make that kind of decision). I'm very much a person who believes that what people do doesn't matter if they're not hurting someone else. Also, good luck never having a relationship. You really owned me there.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 03:48 PM
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I celebrate my 18th wedding anniversary on Saturday to the only sexual partner I've had since 2004. Maybe this insult doesn't land the way you think it does.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 03:22 PM
10

This is a correlation vs. causation issue, though. Does poor mental health cause people to seek out low-stakes sexual encounters, or do low-stakes sexual encounters cause poor mental health? I'd argue that it's the former.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 02:55 PM
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There are literally no sources supporting the idea that women have a harder time bonding than men after any number of sexual partners. This comes from a study of birds, not humans, and there's no reason to assume that one gender would have a different response than another.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 02:53 PM
4

Exactly
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 01:59 PM
9

Also, women’s fertility peaks around age 25, not at 18.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 11:20 AM
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They don’t care. They want to devalue women. Damaging women and the idea of sex itself as an act of violence is a turn on for them.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 11:19 AM
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Part of why redpill sells guys on this idea is that they can keep them paying when they don’t see results. Otherwise their customer base would realize right away that it doesn’t work
/r/ExRedPill30/05/23 11:14 AM
1

That’s between them
/r/ExRedPill29/05/23 06:26 PM
10

Try to see things from her point of view: she sees herself as an autonomous person, and you treat her like crap when she does what she wants.
/r/ExRedPill29/05/23 03:07 PM
10

Hypergamy is solved by feminism too. Women don’t need to marry up if they have their own funds.
/r/ExRedPill28/05/23 10:59 PM
10

I am a middle aged woman with teenagers, and I teach high school. I am a little concerned for my kids’ and students’ well-being, because this ideology is poisonous. So far, everyone seems to treat it like a joke, which is promising.
/r/ExRedPill28/05/23 02:29 PM
1

How? There are multiple corporations out there, and you could argue that every OF girl is an entrepreneur.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/23 06:03 PM
1

I think you're not getting it. You're blaming women for the problem, when the market only exists because men created it.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/23 04:23 PM
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Honestly, making it illegal wouldn't work. It would just punish people for doing something that other people want to pay for. And I notice that you don't condemn men for paying for sex workers. You just condemn women for filling a market that men create. And you can't claim that women create the market, because in the days when women were expected to marry young and only ever be with one man, men were still patronizing sex workers. Most women who work in sex work don't want to be sex workers. Ba…
/r/ExRedPill23/05/23 03:44 PM
1

Shaming women for selling something marketable will never work. The only thing that works is giving people opportunities that are easy to obtain and more lucrative than sex work.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/23 02:26 PM
3

If you feel exploited by women, why do you bother talking about women or thinking about them at all? If you're committed to MGTOW, then GYOW.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/23 01:05 PM
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June 30, 2023, marks the 50th anniversary of the last person inducted into service (instead of voluntary enlistment) in the US Army. This is literally something that happened before they were born, and nobody who has been drafted in the USA is under retirement age right now.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/23 12:58 PM
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All bad faith arguments will eventually contradict themselves. They want to hate women for having sex, but they want to have sex. That's literally all it is.
/r/ExRedPill22/05/23 03:12 AM
5

He doesn't care about making them happy. He cares about making himself money. If he tells them to play the long game and hold out for the young, pure woman when they're in their late 30s, it will be years before they even realize that it's all a grift.
/r/ExRedPill19/05/23 11:55 AM
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I listened to about 20 minutes. It's hilarious because Rollo married his high school sweetheart, so it's a major clue that he doesn't believe the shit he spews. Also, Rollo resists saying the quiet part out loud: The point of all of this is to tell young men that they can use and discard women and never actually emotionally bond with anyone, but constantly get laid. Oh, and also, pay for premium content to get the real insights, because with Rollo, the real ticket to high-value is "always be gri…
/r/ExRedPill19/05/23 03:12 AM
1

links please?
/r/ExRedPill18/05/23 02:39 PM
2

Be aware that texting people that you don't know (I'm assuming you meet them on apps or through social media) is a low-investment social interaction. If they don't like you, it really doesn't matter to you. You don't know them that well, and you probably wouldn't like them either.
/r/ExRedPill11/05/23 01:11 AM
1

So you think very little of women but want them to like you?
/r/ExRedPill09/05/23 01:34 AM
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Seriously. My husband cries in front of me. And my teenage son is able to do the same, mostly because he's got a great example in his dad. And we're a super close, loving family.
/r/ExRedPill02/05/23 02:04 PM
8

Again, maybe the places you're looking are the problem.
/r/ExRedPill02/05/23 01:51 PM
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Where did you hear these stories? I invite you to Google the bias known as the “availability heuristic.”
/r/ExRedPill02/05/23 11:56 AM
1

Yep. And the guys who are redpill influencers are selling them something. It's a grift.
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 06:37 PM
1

If those people are chasing after women who are just looking for superficial things, then maybe that's the problem? Why are they dismissing all the other women?
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 05:40 PM
1

Honestly, my experience is that a lot of people who have unhealthy relationships just stay together out of a sense of inertia, not because they really know each other very well and want to be together. They don't like each other that much, but they don't want to be the bad guy and leave. So then they guess that they should just get married because they've been together so long.
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 05:07 PM
1

"It seems like most people" is a phrase that I hear a lot from people who need to go outside more. Maybe the problem is that you're succumbing to availability heuristic bias. Most of the people that I know don't treat people like commodities.
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 05:02 PM
1

Do you see transactional relationship structures as inherently toxic? I do. I don't think that the only marriages that can work are the "soulmate" marriages. I believe that "companion" or even arranged marriages can work if the people involved are age appropriate and committed to working together to better their lives. But the idea of "transactional" relationships where a young, beautiful woman treats an older, wealthier man as an ATM and the older man treats the younger woman as a servant and s…
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 04:38 PM
2

So you're a housewife. You can be a housewife and be progressive. I consider myself a liberal feminist. I do most of the cooking and cleaning and he does most of the yard work and repairs, mostly because he got taught by parents how to do this and I got taught by parents how to cook and clean. Unlearning traditional gendered skills is a multi-generational process. Certainly none of what you describe is compatible with redpill, though.
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 01:07 PM
0

In what way do you consider yourself traditional, then?
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 12:55 PM
3

RP also suggests that there's no way for men and women to have a relationship that isn't a zero sum game. Women having sex devalues them (because in RP, women only have sex to gain power, not because they enjoy sex), and men only give monetary/emotional support to get sex. It's inherently toxic. And it's not traditional. Traditionally, marriages were seen as benefiting both parties, and the dynamic of the "faithful helpmeet" ascribed to Eve for Adam, was designed to make both people's lives bett…
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 12:50 PM
1

I'm not surprised. Christians are told to feel guilty about sex, so sex + punishment is logical. It's less common among Jews.
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 12:46 PM
3

What's amazing to me is that a lot of these "traditional" families can embrace a progressive change in the modern world. I know a Chasidic-Orthodox couple. he works various odd jobs and does a lot of Talmud study. She's a nurse. He loves to cook and does most of the cooking. She's not submissive, either.
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 12:43 PM
4

But the fact is, the "trad cons" aren't usually in favor of men being monogamous, saving themselves for marriage, etc. That's not the loudest voice in the room. I know people in my religious community who are very much interested in being in traditional marriages. They're not sexually active before marriage (many of them don't even physically touch women that they're not immediately related to), and they have very little contact with women until they're in the process of looking for a wife. They…
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 12:33 PM
5

Redpill theory doesn't teach traditional relationship structures, though. It teaches the idea that men should sleep with lots of women, using and discarding younger and younger women, because women after a certain age "hit the wall." The idea of being a faithful partner for life is anti-redpill. Alpha men don't get married, remember?
/r/ExRedPill01/05/23 12:14 PM
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I personally find this hilarious, because without women cooking the food, making the clothes, and caring for the babies, men wouldn’t have had the free time to “build society.” I mean, philosophers hated women so much that instead of acknowledging the fact that women have been catering to their fundamental sustenance needs, they derided those needs as base and animalistic. They became hermits and ascetics, even.
/r/ExRedPill30/04/23 06:31 PM
4

What was feminist about the advice?
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 09:54 PM
4

How does culture gaslight you?
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 08:56 PM
0

I don't see too many women doing that. In fact, I see a lot of redpill guys call women "misandrists," when those women are not talking about men in general but are actually talking about specific men.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 06:04 PM
14

I think that was the point, though, wasn't it?
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 04:17 PM
1

My husband and I have Trinidad on our bucket list. He loves the music and I love the birds, and we'd both have a great time there.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 02:08 PM
2

So I want you to realize that you assessed a situation where a woman left an abuser who threatened "I'm going to fuck you up" while she was pregnant, and you assumed the woman must have left for superficial reasons. Normal people would look at a guy on a podcast who had a gun on his desk and was complaining that his wife shouldn't be allowed to leave him and say "this guy looks like an abuser." And your assessment was, "I bet the bitch just got bored." Clearly your perception of these situations…
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 01:03 PM
2

I prefer monogamy with my husband because he's a person I like and feel comfortable with.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 12:57 PM
1

What counterpart?
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 12:48 PM
2

Um, have you seen the latest developments on the story? He threatened to beat her up while she was pregnant.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/23 01:14 AM
1

That's always a possibility but it's not that likely. I mean, my interests have changed with time. I was always sort of interested in birds but I got really into birdwatching. I just took up mushroom hunting, too. I have embraced new music artists who weren't active yet when I got married. Like, people will always change. None of the things that I'm interested in that I wasn't super interested in when I got married are things that would surprise anyone who knew me. The possibility of throwing so…
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 07:33 PM
1

Women are different. Women are individuals with different interests and pursuits in life. All women want someone who is going to be kind to them and who encourages them to be themselves.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 04:51 PM
1

How? Also, I agree with the poster above, in that there's a lot of variation in people. The type of women that redpill men feature on their podcasts are a certain type of woman who are usually particularly superficial and want superficial things. And that's by design, because the goal is to demonize women for wanting anything from men. I certainly don't want a guy who showers me in diamonds and buys me bottle service at a club. Most guys I meet are middle class, and if they were doing that sort …
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 03:59 PM
2

There's no evidence that she just said out of the blue that she "wasn't feeling it." That's your perspective. But the combination of "she shouldn't be allowed to leave" plus a gun is absolutely a threat.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 03:42 PM
1

Sad is not the issue. I would be sad if my partner left me. You have a right to feel sad. And angry, if I were blindsided, yes, I would feel angry. We don't know if, in fact, he was blindsided, and most people don't actually get blindsided by divorce unless they are willfully ignoring the signs. Most women in relationships who are unhappy ask for change and then give up when it doesn't happen. Very few people bail on a marriage to chase a shiny object. But saying that a partner shouldn't be allo…
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 03:41 PM
2

A lot of men are toxic.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 03:30 PM
2

Crowder is clearly an abuser, though. The fact that he's angry that his ex has the right to divorce him without his permission, and makes this comment while showing off a gun on his desk, shows that he mistreated her.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 11:57 AM
1

You might not personally believe this stuff, but these are the things that redpill teaches. Redpill is toxic specifically because it disbelieves the idea that men and women can exist harmoniously in a way where both men and women get what they want out of relationships at the same time. This is inherently toxic.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 11:56 AM
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Power, but specifically the power to demand servitude. These guys want a woman who doesn't have her own friends or interests, and who puts up with cheating, and who does all the cooking and cleaning while simultaneously being devalued for doing such useless, unskilled work as cooking and cleaning.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 11:48 AM
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I think honestly it's because it's seen as manly to be hurtful and cruel to women. And nowadays, women have enough power that they don't have to put up with it. When the only way for women to exist in society was to have a man, they accepted the cruelty. Too many men don't want to give up the cruelty.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 12:13 AM
8

What I was looking for was someone who "got me." Someone who understood my perspective and my humor and my interests and didn't treat me like an outer space alien. And I found him.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 12:02 AM
7

It's been my experience that being married is a great arrangement if both parties are in it 100%. You pick up each other's slack and make it possible for the two of you to achieve more than you can separately. There's also a lot of security in monogamy. My husband is my best friend and the person I want to be with the most. I could have a bunch of superficial sexual encounters, but it would be really hard to build a family and have lasting friendships around all that. Plus, we have more sex. A s…
/r/ExRedPill27/04/23 12:01 AM
3

But Redpill isn't just about traditional values. They claim they want something traditional, but most "redpill" types claim that they want to use and discard women, and that men should have as much sex with as many women as possible. That being with a woman and being faithful is "simping." They also claim that women "hit the wall" after which they are no longer worth being with. Those are not traditional values. Also, there are plenty of people who want a traditional gendered lifestyle, and you …
/r/ExRedPill24/04/23 05:12 PM
2

You may not have, but you should be. If you want to solve your problems, go to people who don't have those problems and see what they do that works.
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 03:07 PM
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Hypergamy used to be an institutional thing. Women's only way to get ahead was to have a man who would advance them, because women were disallowed by society to advance themselves. The thing that ends hypergamy is feminism. Women don't need to "marry up" because they can be powerful on their own. Wanting a guy who's mature and stable isn't hypergamy. There's nothing wrong with wanting someone who's got their shit together and isn't going to be a drain on you.
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 03:06 PM
1

Right? Most of my exes are married now and happier (presumably) with their wives than they would be with me. My husband and I are happier than I would be with them.
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 03:03 PM
2

Of course. And we learn about ourselves and what we want in relationships by dating the wrong people. And the wrong people aren't necessarily bad people, they're just wrong for us. But they think that any contact with men "ruins" a woman. And they don't see women as individuals or assign any merit to personality, so they don't understand how a woman might get together with a guy who is not a bad guy and who doesn't irreparably damage her, but then might break up with him and get with someone bet…
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 01:38 PM
23

The thing that makes it obviously garbage is the idea that male-female relationships are necessarily adversarial. Either men use and discard women which augments men and diminishes women, or women trick men into long-term relationships which augments women and diminishes men. You can't believe that this is accurate and be a healthy person.
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 01:34 PM
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Because he thinks women are damaged and diminished physically and mentally by having had relationships that don’t work out. He wants a virgin who has never experienced any trauma in her life.
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 11:26 AM
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Do you like going clubbing? Not everyone does, and the fact that you assume that a woman will go to “the club” without you implies that you’re not talking to a lot of women. Most people meet their significant others through work or through friends, or online through social media or apps. The only way you can get over redpill content is to start creating a reality for yourself that doesn’t reflect what redpillers tell you about the world.
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 11:23 AM
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Reality disagrees with your opinion.
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 04:15 AM
1

I have met very, very few people in my life that I can't imagine being attractive to someone.
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 04:15 AM
2

Unlike you, I have sex on a regular basis as part of a healthy adult relationship. Maybe you can take advice from someone who is successful where you fail.
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 01:20 AM
0

The vast majority of people will talk to someone before they reject them. A lot of guys get cuter after they crack a few jokes. Frame of reference: I have dated multiple men who don’t look like gigachad
/r/ExRedPill20/04/23 12:50 AM
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But what people find attractive varies. If you can’t understand that, then you have no personality.
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 10:48 PM
2

How much success has this mindset netted for you?
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 10:36 PM
6

Why would someone who finds you boring want to have sex with you?
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 10:33 PM
3

Typically, women get messages like “he’s just not that into you.” Men get told “the bitch friendzoned you.” It’s social conditioning.
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 05:10 PM
1

People don’t take advice from failures
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 04:09 PM
3

A lot of men don’t take no for an answer very well
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 04:09 PM
3

I mean, the first thing that women look for is respect. But beyond that, they're looking for compatibility and someone they feel comfortable with. What's unfair about that?
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 03:05 PM
4

How many unsolicited explicit propositions have you received? How many random pictures of genitalia? How many abusive messages?
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 02:00 PM
2

Do you think the bar is unreasonably high for you?
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:59 PM
1

This is your problem, though. This isn't on women to change themselves.
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:58 PM
3

I don't think that it's that they see women they find unattractive as invisible. It's that they see them as not human and don't care about them. If a woman is old or not conventionally attractive, they have zero empathy for her and absolutely don't care about her at all. I try to explain things to romantically unsuccessful men as a romantically successful woman, but they disregard me because I'm old.
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:57 PM
4

It's because the people who are saying this see women as objects. So in their mind, women have only to be an object. They see themselves as subjects, and subjects have agency. They do things. They have responsibilities. So suddenly they have to do all this stuff, while women get to just be objects.
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:54 PM
6

Well, sorta. There are MLMs that primarily target men (Amway, Primerica, etc.) But yeah, I've noticed a lot of "coaches" doing a side grift specifically on people who are already in MLM. You're in MLM and failing at it (because mathematically almost everyone fails at MLM except the people siphoning off the people failing), so you pay someone else to tell you why you're failing. A lot of these coaches are just skipping the MLM stuff. They tell you what you want to hear and you pay them for it. Th…
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:51 PM
1

Do you have access to other ways to communicate with her? Can you send her an email or friend her on social media? How do you know her?
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 12:40 PM
2

This is a redpill trope, but it's not true.
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 12:29 PM
1

How are you going to address guys who have fallen prey to misogynistic movements like redpill?
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 02:30 AM
1

I think “accountability” is an overused word when nobody says what you have to be accountable for. I think self-improvement is way more than workouts and grooming and confidence, too.
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:53 AM
2

You keep explaining redpill to me like I don’t understand it. I understand it. I just think it’s bullshit.
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:30 AM
1

Okay enjoy failing
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:28 AM
1

So I guess you’re happy that all women reject you, then
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:28 AM
2

So basically bullshit and buzzwords
/r/ExRedPill19/04/23 01:27 AM
5

But what older woman would be interested?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 10:50 PM
12

I’m 47 and if I were single, you would bore me.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 10:50 PM
10

At no time did you regard them as human, though. First they were goddesses, then trash.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 08:57 PM
1

No, you’re awful. It’s nobody’s fault but yours, and you could choose to be different.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 08:10 PM
1

Okay. I should also mention that my husband is 5’7.5”. It’s not your height. You’re just awful.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 08:04 PM
1

You think women over 30 are used up? How is this working for you? When my husband was your age, he was married and had a kid and a job that required a college degree, and you’re trolling Reddit.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 07:48 PM
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But it doesn’t sound like you treat them like humans
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 07:44 PM
1

There’s a massive demand in STEM fields and they pay well. You didn’t answer my question about accountability. Accountability for what?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 07:32 PM
1

Accountability for what? And why are you not suggesting education?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 06:31 PM
1

Do you actually know any women?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 05:10 PM
1

So being an incel means you have greater understanding of women, while men who like women do not understand them?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 05:10 PM
1

My daughter is in eighth grade, and the boys in her class talk about Andrew Tate all the time. I know a young man in his early 20s who teaches middle schoolers who says they're always talking about Tate as well. Misogyny is popular with young boys.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 05:07 PM
1

So you’re saying that being in a loving marriage is bad and men should want to sleep with lots of women while hating women who sleep with lots of men? Why do you think this way? Also, do you think that married men with good jobs, kids, vacations to the lake in the family car, etc. are beta? What do alpha men do/have?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 04:27 PM
7

You were a simp? As in you were nice to women?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 04:24 PM
1

Nope. They're saying "this is how you change yourself so you can get the life you want," but they don't have the life they are suggesting that men should want.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:47 PM
10

How do you think it's helped you if you don't have many friends and can't talk to women because you believe the ragebait?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:33 PM
1

In what ways do you think men should change themselves that constitutes an improvement?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:26 PM
5

So try talking to them. If they don't message you back, get over it. Dating apps suck in general. Maybe try meeting people in different ways?
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:22 PM
4

Hypergamy is irrelevant in a society where women have their own financial independence. No, I wouldn't leave my husband for a wealthy, famous guy. My husband is a guy who makes a middle to upper-middle income and is active in his community in positive ways. I wouldn't leave him for someone who was more successful in any of these ways, because the reason I'm with him is because I like him. We enjoy spending time together. That's why we got together and why we got married. He's my best friend, and…
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:20 PM
6

If the only criteria you're using for how you approach women is how they look, then why would you assume that women who are better looking wouldn't get more attention? And if you're not valuing them as people, why should they value you at all? Get to know people. Don't just try to convince someone to like you because you think they're attractive.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:14 PM
1

I used to know one woman who mentioned prioritizing height in guys, but she was very tall herself.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:08 PM
2

Also, the percentage of marriages ending in divorce is plummeting, because there's less pressure on people in unstable relationships to get married.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:08 PM
1

I've never made fun of a guy for being short. The shortest guy I ever dated was like 5'5", and the tallest was 6'6". I'm like 5'3"
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:06 PM
2

Huh. My husband is 5'7.5" and we've been married for almost 18 years. We're stupid in love, too. We're each other's favorite people.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 03:04 PM
3

Honestly, I can't find anything now, because these are things that happened a while ago, and TRP and incel forums don't have the edge rank online that they might think they do, so googling it now is basically impossible. "betabux and alpha fux" is redpill coping over the fact that normal guys who aren't Chad get married and have families and live normal lives despite being all the things that men claim women find unattractive. Because, you know, brains, education, kindness, and the responsibilit…
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 01:59 PM
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Okay, Jason Momoa has money, looks, and status, and redpill guys mocked him for wearing pink. Daniel Craig has money, looks, and status, and he was called beta for holding his baby in a baby carrier. The Rock has been called beta for cooking dinner for his family. Money, looks, and status are basically attractive to everyone, though they shouldn’t be the thing that makes or breaks your relationship. But obviously, redpill propaganda isn’t just teaching guys to seek money, looks, and status. Basi…
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 11:35 AM
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Also, she can’t have any money of her own, but she should be aware that men built society, she’s just sitting around benefiting from it, and she’s a gold digger. So even when women do everything they ask for, they’re still worthy of contempt.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 11:26 AM
1

Which is why they’re in no position to assert themselves as alpha males giving advice. They should be taking advice from people who have success in relationships.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 10:04 AM
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But people outside the manosphere don't use this term. We're all familiar with finding someone who shares our values and with whom we feel compatible, but we don't talk about them as "high value." You might describe someone you love as valuable to you, because they mean a lot to you, but they wouldn't be "high value" as though they have some empirical set value that is readily apparent to society like the price of heavy metals or other fungible goods.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 01:25 AM
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That's interesting, because it's vague enough that you can define it as anything. It's my experience that red-pillers avoid defining it. Often the reason is because they would be caught contradicting themselves. For instance, they love to say that certain celebrities aren't high-value enough if they're shown wearing pink or cuddling their babies or loving their wives even as they age. So we know it's not money or power. What they often don't want to tell you is that their view of a high value ma…
/r/ExRedPill18/04/23 01:23 AM
4

Just assess them as loudmouthed failures and realize you don’t want to be that.
/r/ExRedPill17/04/23 11:41 AM
6

I googled Myron Gaines and Walter Weekes (Fresh & Fit) and neither are currently in a serious relationship. Why would you trust their opinions on women when they can’t land one?
/r/ExRedPill17/04/23 11:23 AM
4

Love me some Contrapoints. Especially the fact that she was willing to call out the elephant in the room about incels: They're not ugly. In fact, a lot of them are actually good-looking guys. But of course, if we can imagine incels as being ugly and rejected by shallow women, we can blame women for incel violence.
/r/ExRedPill17/04/23 02:34 AM
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SpeechProf is fantastic. He's a married guy with kids who's very much the image of "wholesome masculinity." But also, I invite you to re-evaluate your favorite redpill content creators. How many of them have failed marriages? How many of them pose with relatively inexpensive, easy to obtain objects that primarily impress men? (Suits that cost a few hundred dollars, motorcycles that look pretty cool but are cheaper than cars and can be financed, etc.) Notice that none of them are showing off thei…
/r/ExRedPill17/04/23 02:33 AM
2

They tell you that it’s a problem that you’re not able to have mindless sex with an unending stream of pinup-like women
/r/ExRedPill30/03/23 10:15 PM
1

Also, being a fanatic about redpill and jumping to fanaticism about animal rights isn’t better.
/r/ExRedPill30/03/23 08:18 PM
3

White people and men have caused a lot of problems in the world specifically because they have had the power. White people have asserted dominance over non-white people for hundreds of years, and men have asserted dominance over women for at least thousands of years. Acknowledging this doesn’t mean she hates men.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 11:02 PM
1

Have you ever told your friends that you’re interested in meeting someone?
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 09:32 PM
5

My guess is that you’re wrong that your feminist friends hated men. They just didn’t want to be mistreated. I’m a feminist and happily married to a guy that’s amazing. Redpillers call him a “simp” because he didn’t reject me knowing that I had a “body count” of more than 3 and was therefore unable to “pair bond.”
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 08:24 PM
6

Read the Vice articles about incels. You might think it would go one way, but the data shows that guys get into this stuff when they’re young.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 08:19 PM
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Sorry, that's bullshit. This isn't a magic intangible. Also, you're not defining success, because you know that I'm not going to like your definition of success. Because your definition of success is "sleeping with different women whom I barely know all the time." And yeah, most women really don't go for that. It makes them feel devalued, and because the men don't care about them, the sex is often unsatisfying as well. If you think the way to be "successful" is to have random hookups, then that'…
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 06:24 PM
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I mean, my husband is 5'7", doesn't have a 6-pack or anything close to it, and didn't start making 6 figures until a couple of years ago when he was already in his 40s, and we met when he was just shy of 25. So yeah, none of that stuff matters. And yeah, you're only 20 and have been consuming toxic self-hate crap for how long, now? So maybe you weren't being so awesome. The redpill talks about "abundance mindset," "spinning plates," women "hitting the wall," the "cock carousel," the "epiphany ph…
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 05:55 PM
14

Because this is the grift. They're running a business, and that business is disaffected young men.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 05:49 PM
4

Most guys out there don't look like movie stars. Meanwhile, about 60% of men over age 15 are fathers, so that right there disproves the 80/20 rule. Most men who want romantic relationships have them. If your goal is to have lots of anonymous sex, well, not everyone is going to want that, and ultimately, you're going to find that unsatisfying. Even moreso if you want lots of anonymous sex and also devalue women who have anonymous sex as being "unable to pair bond" or "riding the cock carousel." Y…
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 05:48 PM
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"Success" to the redpill is using people and discarding them. This is literally abuse. If your goal is to abuse people, then you have the wrong goal. If your goal is to launch intimate relationships with people, then get to know them as people. My husband and I are not Chad and Stacy, but we're crazy in love with each other and have been for a long time. If you're looking for a person to love, there are people who will love you if you're out there and being your awesome self.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 05:45 PM
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Learn what you like in other people by learning what you like in yourself. Cultivate your interests. Become an interested person, because that makes you an interesting person. Then find other people who are into the same things that you are. When you meet women, assume that they're people just like men are. Don't try to convince a person to sleep with you. Find a person you like because you like the same things they like, and if you like them, they will probably like you back. If not, just find …
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 01:18 PM
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The reason they do this is that they see you as a way that they can make money. They tell you that you have a problem, and they sell you the solution.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/23 01:16 PM
1

If you’re looking for a romantic relationship, assume that anyone you are potentially interested in romantically should be someone you connect with on multiple levels. You should like them as a person. You can’t know what you like if you don’t know who you are. Cultivate your own interests. If you’re really into ‘70s film or photographing trains or whatever, and she thinks you’re weird for liking those things, then she’s not for you.
/r/ExRedPill28/03/23 11:38 AM
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