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I don’t have your posting history memorized. If you opened it up to searching, I’m sure we could find you saying some pretty terrible things about women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:58 PM
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What have I said that was vile?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:55 PM
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You think I’m angry, hateful, and vile? I’m just bored. I really don’t invest as much effort into this as you do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:44 PM
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I mean, you guys say that, but the fact is that most people who have what you want don’t bother interacting with people like you because they consider you not worth the trouble. My husband tells me that I’m never going to change your minds and you’re not worth the effort. But hey, I’m stuck in a town an hour away from my house while my teenage daughter works at a day camp, and it’s too rainy to go enjoy the outdoors today, so while I have nothing better to do, pointing out your self-contradictio…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:43 PM
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Oh, so the happily married people who engage with you aren’t normal and the incels are normal?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:31 PM
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Is it because they’re actually in relationships and not making hating women their hobby?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:21 PM
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What’s misandrist about saying that men need to work harder at actually being likeable when women aren’t desperate? I’m happily married. The “bluepill” guys here are usually in relationships because they aren’t engaging in some imaginary power struggle with women in their heads all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:18 PM
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Divorce rates are plummeting because the people who just got married by default aren’t doing that anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:57 PM
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You can’t get emotional intimacy without commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:49 PM
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I’m a unicorn because my husband is short and doesn’t go to the gym
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:07 PM
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Well, my husband and I like each other. It’s easier to do more with two people together. For a long time, you guys have told us that there’s no incentive to have relationships with women because we don’t make your lives better. If you feel that way, don’t be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:17 PM
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Marital rape was legal in the 1990s but the white feather movement is your thought terminating cliche?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:56 PM
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The White Feather movement was begun by a man
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:55 PM
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Which ones support their views?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:53 PM
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Women protect women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:46 PM
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We don’t count though, because manosphere influencers say differently
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:45 PM
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What women? Got any feminist influencers that suggest men should support women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:44 PM
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Because I have read feminist literature and know feminists. Manosphere guys who never leave their homes have a very different impression of my own life than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:33 PM
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So you can’t cite any instances of feminist philosophy that expect men to finance adult women’s lifestyle. You just made that part up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:32 PM
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They absolutely do. What feminist author says otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:24 PM
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I’m real, and he probably just assumes stuff about her if she even exists
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:23 PM
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No, you just don’t know any feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:15 PM
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No it’s not. Feminists work and contribute to household expenses. You just see her purchasing the children’s entire wardrobe as her “fun money.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:12 PM
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That’s interesting. I’m a feminist, and all of our money is our money. We don’t separate our finances at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:07 PM
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But when women are with attractive men, you get really mad and say they should pick nice guys
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:58 PM
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Assuming that women are either status hungry, gold diggers, settling, or a combination of the above 3 is assuming they’re superficial and awful. You give women no possible option where she actually likes the person she’s with
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:32 PM
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This is the typical “heads I win tails you lose” logic of manosphere men. Women are always superficial and awful, and all of their choices are always wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:13 PM
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Poor men, doing the jobs that actually make the money
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:23 PM
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No? The wife wasn’t going down to the docks with her children in tow to get her husband’s money
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:07 PM
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No it didn’t. It’s a grift designed to keep men paying
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:49 AM
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Nope. Often men would get their paychecks and go to the saloon and drink and gamble most of their money away, leaving their families to starve
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:13 AM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:04 AM
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Maybe men can be better
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:58 PM
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Plus child support and some alimony if she doesn’t have the ability to go back to a career. The law is designed so women won’t be devastated
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:58 PM
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True, but the law says that she’s entitled to a fair division of assets. Even bank accounts in his name are half hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:39 PM
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This is obviously absurd and mocking women, but as a person who was a SAHM for 6 years, let me explain: SAHMs do unpaid labor that makes our partner’s lifestyle possible. We don’t need pay, because the point of being an SAHM is that it’s really hard to be an effective employee when you have very small children, and it’s also really hard to make enough money to pay for the childcare for multiple children who are under school age. We don’t need to be paid, because our role is to save money, not ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:41 PM
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It doesn’t turn me off when my husband cries
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:43 PM
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I don’t know. I didn’t read it. But here’s the thing, again, a woman reading a hot book doesn’t spontaneously reach orgasm. She has to do something that brings her to orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:30 PM
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Because reading about people having sex is hot
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:26 PM
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Boo hoo. Everyone should be assertive because it’s a positive quality. What’s wrong with choosing someone who has positive qualities? Shouldn’t we choose better?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:20 PM
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No, the men who give women orgasms are the ones who are willing to engage in physical activities that bring women to orgasm. You’ll understand if you ever have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:14 PM
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What is your opinion of people who whine that it’s unfair that they should eat healthy to be healthier?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:07 PM
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Those same guys would argue that your boyfriend was actually simping on a different thread
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:04 PM
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It’s only to everyone’s benefit to advocate for themselves. There’s literally no downside to being politely assertive, and women encourage that quality in other women all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:44 PM
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Thank you. These guys are something else
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:31 PM
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Anyone with any sexual experience knows that sex is not an innate skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:16 PM
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You’ve come to these conclusions with no evidence because you haven’t dated. You have decided that you are a nice person (remains to be proven) and therefore women who don’t want you must want terrible men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:15 PM
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As a fictional character. He’s the uneducated woman’s Heathcliff, but that doesn’t mean we would want to know someone like him in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:13 PM
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Christian Grey is a fictional character
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:08 PM
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Assertive is a positive quality. Women like assertive men. Those men can also be very nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:06 PM
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Oh, so you’re making up random shit or regurgitating your toxic online algorithm
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:05 PM
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Why do you think nice men are not good in bed or lacking in testosterone? You guys tell us it’s beta for men to care about women’s orgasms and unfeminine for women to want them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:04 PM
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Do you experience this in your own life with your wife or girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:02 PM
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Assertive and nice are not mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:01 PM
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Oh, totally, and I particularly like watching people who understand good fashion critique bad fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:52 PM
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He just wants to punish the women who won’t sleep with him by not supporting the children he doesn’t have
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:33 PM
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Fair, but the whole “women only care about fashion and reality tv and instagram likes” cliche only applies to a small minority of women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:31 PM
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Then block me and go back to the women whom you can’t get to sleep with you even when you pay them. Personally, I married a guy I like so I fuck him for free
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:25 PM
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If my husband didn’t improve my life in any way (including with his witty personality) what would be the point of being with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:23 PM
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She doesn’t like you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:19 PM
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I believe that’s what most men on this sub are saying. They want to force women to act in men’s best interests and not in their own best interests
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:16 PM
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What’s not a scam about sugar dating? It’s paying someone to pretend to like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:14 PM
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Yes. You don’t like women’s right to refuse you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:13 PM
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Are you suggesting women shouldn’t be free not to choose a man who is interested in them but whom they are not interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:08 PM
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The only issue you name specifically is expecting men to pay. Man have traditionally paid for dates, long before social media existed. In fact, women on social media often tell each other to not let men pay so they don’t expect sex on a first date
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:07 PM
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Maybe don’t expect women to care about you as a person if you’re looking to buy a “better” woman with money
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:05 PM
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If you find all women vapid and inane, you are a misogynist. Before you make comments about reality TV, I don’t watch it, my daughter doesn’t watch it, and none of my friends watch it. What are women doing that’s so incredibly vapid? The women I know have diverse interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:23 PM
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It’s not a personal attack. If your availability heuristic is limited to your algorithm, you’re going to have a warped view of the world
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:13 PM
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Maybe actually meet people outside of lurking on Reddit boards and being mad about it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:43 AM
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I have not observed this to be the case. People who are not social typically don’t date much.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:10 AM
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Women made most pottery, too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:35 PM
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Men somehow built everything while women were doing the totally useless work of feeding and clothing everyone and raising all the babies
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:22 PM
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Redpill men tell me that men aren’t interested in children and commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:20 PM
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Uh, what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:13 PM
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Oh, I do all the cooking and most of the shopping. My husband does the laundry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:15 AM
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I’m not your therapist and am genuinely not qualified to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:12 AM
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The very fact that you say this is insulting to people who have faced actual systemic discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:45 AM
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You’re not a victim of discrimination because people don’t want to sleep with you. You have the same legal rights. The likelihood is that you’re normal looking and people don’t like this creepy whiny shit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:11 AM
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I teach chemistry
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:07 AM
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You don’t have a right to someone else’s body. Who’s acting like a victim? Not me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:07 AM
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Incel speak is really gonna get the ladies lining up around the block
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:58 PM
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I don’t see daily posts from women about how men need to change here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:57 PM
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People are allowed to not like you. Stop pretending to be a victim
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:57 PM
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Most guys on this board are repulsive to me without even knowing what they look like because they’re just not very smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:33 PM
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And keeping it straight takes work, and therefore it’s a chore
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:42 PM
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Sure, but if you don’t stay on top of purchases, you risk people not having enough stuff and having to pay more for it. Good purchasing takes planning
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:14 PM
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Okay. Make sure that the kids have a backup wardrobe for when they suddenly outgrow all their clothes, and make sure you score all of it on sale so you don’t go broke
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:13 PM
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So the husbands of those women don’t get a genetic legacy because you’re so committed to the idea of children being raised in daycare?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:33 PM
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What about if one parent is spending nearly their whole paycheck on childcare, work wardrobe, transportation to work? Should that person continue to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:29 PM
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So you want women to have children, do the housework, and pay the bills? No wonder they aren’t lining up for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:13 PM
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Who will buy groceries and necessities for the children?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:10 PM
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If a woman is taking care of tiny children, is she not working? You guys tell us that this is the most important job for women to do. Also that it’s easy and worth nothing. Do you believe that men should not allow women to spend any of the money they make outside the home on things for the family? The wife and children can’t get new clothes?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:09 PM
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I decide what food to buy because I do the cooking. I base my decisions on what is on sale or in season. Where do you get the idea that shopping isn’t work? If you think women don’t deserve that level of control, do it yourself. I used to have to grocery shop and run errands with two little kids in tow. I would park at the back of the supermarket parking lot near the train tracks because my toddler son would be entertained by the trains while I nursed his baby sister. Then I would cook dinner fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 03:02 PM
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I’m amused by watching young men impale themselves on the patriarchy instead of being nice to women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:17 PM
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I’m not saying I care, I’m saying that the men who go in for manosphere content are looking to blame women for everything
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:31 PM
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Your attitude is the minority in manosphere circles
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:25 PM
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I’m a short, nerdy woman married to a short, nerdy guy. People on this sub say he’s oofy doofy and I married for betabuxx. What would have been the correct choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:50 PM
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No, I think men are better than they ever have been, but this sub is full of men who refuse to be better
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:19 PM
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If women are happy with their own standards, they’re not going to change their behavior just because you don’t like it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:58 PM
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Oh, no, my husband does my laundry. I do the cooking. But you’re acting like the only point of men having a partner is for domestic labor. I’m with my husband because I like him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:51 AM
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You’re really angry about having to do your own laundry, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:45 AM
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Literally women are graduating college at higher rates than men. Women are not looking for men to support them anymore. Men are whining that they have to do their own laundry
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:38 AM
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Certainly not all women cook, but plenty do. Literally anyone can clean. Why do men act like the only point of women is to be domestic servants?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:31 AM
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Yes, but those aren’t redpill men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:00 AM
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I cook, and both of my teenage kids cook. One is a boy and one is a girl. Cleaning isn’t hard, but it’s work. It’s a choice to do it. Why wouldn’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:58 AM
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What did women offer in the past that they don’t offer now? Women still cook, clean, and take care of kids, but there’s nothing in it for women to be servants for men when women can earn their own money . Also, maybe if you didn’t have such naked contempt for women, you would be more successful with women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:47 AM
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As a woman who is probably old enough to be your mother, why do you think young women should listen to you? Berating women isn’t going to make them like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:16 AM
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Divorce as a percentage of marriage is also declining
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:05 AM
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I’ve been married for 21 years
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:28 AM
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I guess you’re the expert. I’m just the dumb woman in a successful marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:13 AM
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And feelings about the other person are part of it. You can’t force that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:51 PM
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Great. The way is clear. Go your own way
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:24 PM
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Oh sorry I misunderstood
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:21 PM
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Well, if you are in a relationship with someone where you are committed and cohabiting, you spend a lot of time together. That’s really hard to do when you don’t like the person
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:19 PM
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I don’t think I’m unusual. The world I see outside my door is more like my personal reality than like the convoluted incel rationalizations of this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:41 PM
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No, it’s not. It’s about the fact that fat women deserve to exist without public shaming and abuse, and that they aren’t obligated to spend all their energy on hating themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:40 PM
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Not what fat acceptance was about
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:24 PM
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You don’t think it’s normal to like other people’s company?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:19 PM
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Exactly. It might hurt my feelings a little bit, but it’s 100% on me to get over it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:18 PM
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Women prefer to read smut
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:17 PM
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90% of guys are cute enough to talk to. Maybe 5% are interesting enough to say yes to a date with. Fewer than 1% are compatible enough to consider a relationship with. My reaction to seeing my husband was “cute and my type.” My reaction to having my first conversation with him was “I need to keep this person in my life in any capacity possible.” Luckily he felt the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:16 PM
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When you see women as objects, their autonomy is very inconvenient
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:12 PM
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Why do you think that women are single because they don’t find men physically attractive? The studies didn’t say they aren’t going on dates. It just said they aren’t in relationships. Most single women are reporting that they are not dating because they are busting their butts with work and school while the men they meet are potheads who play video games and live with their parents. Why do young women owe young men like that their time and effort? All that for an orgasm gap and men complaining a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:48 PM
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I’m not sure it’s not normal for people to have non-monogamous relationships. There is evidence of them existing throughout all of human history
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:40 PM
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Why do you assume women’s standards have nothing to do with how they are treated? Standards encompass everything, not just looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:33 PM
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I was specifically comparing liberals who are more likely to be college educated vs. conservatives who are more likely to be high school dropouts. You were the one taking the position that being a high school dropout wasn’t less work than being a college graduate. You are arguing alongside people who claim that college is unmasculine and only effeminate liberal men go to university. Maybe evaluate the company you keep and stop being so angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:27 PM
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If your choice is single vs. being treated badly, why should they choose being treated badly? You guys tell women to take accountability and choose better. They are choosing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:23 PM
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You don’t have the right to demand that someone love you, but it’s not normal for people to have no capability to form close relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:00 PM
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That’s messed up and I don’t have to validate it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:45 PM
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Weird
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:59 PM
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If you found college easy, you didn’t go to a good college. Scholarship is supposed to get more difficult the farther you get into it. Most trades in the USA require a high school degree and probably an associate’s degree. After that, you do an apprenticeship. You can’t just drop out of school and start doing HVAC repair the next day. I’m very knowledgeable in my content. I teach chemistry, which requires a whole college degree in chemistry. It’s my intention this fall to go back to school and g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:23 PM
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Okay then quit. Do you want them to cry and beg you to come back?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:14 PM
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Getting a college degree is hard work. Dropping out of high school and working at Dollar General is a lot easier. I teach high school, and minimum wage jobs are like crack to teenagers: they’re easy, and they get more money than they have ever been able to earn before. Meanwhile, school is hard and full of things like history papers and algebra 2 exams, and you don’t get paid. Some kids start pouring most of their energy into their after school job, because the instant gratification is such a do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:55 PM
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Yes, but it’s not because women are rejecting liberal men. It’s because almost all men are conservative in southern states
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:51 PM
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That’s ridiculous. You think when a guy says “sorry, I’m busy” or “you’re not my type” or “I just don’t see you that way” society denies him the autonomy to turn down a date? I’m not talking about a woman existing in public while fat and having random strangers screaming abuse at her, which happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:47 PM
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You’re confusing availability heuristic and confirmation bias
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:06 AM
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Women don’t always expect men to make the first move
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:03 AM
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When women get rejected, the media tells them to change everything about themselves. When men get rejected, there’s a male loneliness crisis and women need to stop being picky. Maybe try to attract the people you’re interested in mating with
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:02 AM
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What do you characterize as specifically masculine that is unlikely to be liberal?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:48 PM
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It’s attractive to intelligent women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:47 PM
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Yes and an uneducated populace is easier to control
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:28 PM
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I mean, it’s literally the foundation of fascism to glorify that. Good thing I’m Jewish and we prefer scholars
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:05 PM
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So educated fields are inherently feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:55 PM
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I agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:50 PM
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Okay. But to be fair, I have no doubt that you feel like women are inherently less intelligent than men, especially when they act in their own interests
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:32 PM
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Yeah, but a bunch of online incels who think they’re more masculine than you want you to know you’re a simp, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:08 PM
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So my experience is that the men most preoccupied with masculinity often don’t practice benevolent sexism. They regard benevolent sexism as simping and are more likely to demand that a woman pay for her dinner on a first date if she’s not interested in having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:02 PM
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Interesting. My husband and son are both really into fix it projects including cars, and both are liberal. My husband really likes watching baseball.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:53 PM
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In what way is liberalism unmasculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:52 PM
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So computers are unmasculine. What about academia and hard sciences? The Republican administration is cutting funding to research, so most cutting edge scholars are more liberal when in previous decades they would have been 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:51 PM
1

I know what it means, but you have failed to connect it to women preferring conservative men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:48 PM
19

Seriously. Liberal men are more likely to have college degrees and conservatives are more likely to have dropped out of high school
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:18 PM
1

In what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:17 PM
1

And she would be turned off if she knew you were in pain, too
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:11 PM
4

And you’re talking about expecting a woman to do things sexually that she doesn’t enjoy, specifically for your benefit. This isn’t like my going to watch independent league baseball with my husband so we can spend the day together.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:10 PM
6

What about the way conservative men act do women find appealing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:08 PM
22

Are liberal women struggling? From what I have read, conservative men are struggling because liberal women won’t date them. My husband is liberal and we have been married for 21 years
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:07 PM
1

I’m saying you don’t have to be a martyr about this. And asking women to do something painful isn’t adequate payback
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:52 PM
6

Okay. This is why you can’t get a date. If you are a virgin and already fantasizing about how the woman you don’t have owes you the use of her body for things that she finds unpleasant, you don’t value consent and deserve to go unchosen
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:43 PM
1

You literally could do something else, like use fingers or a toy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:56 PM
5

How are you sacrificing during sex for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:08 PM
7

Why are you acting like you are an expert on something that you have no experience with? The good part about sex is that you’re mutually enjoying something with the person you really like. It’s not about someone gritting their teeth and forcing themselves to make a sacrifice for you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:42 PM
5

I just don’t believe that you know this many details about the sexual practices of people that you’re not currently in a relationship with. I literally have no idea what men whom I am not sleeping with are doing in their bedrooms, and I don’t want to know. Why are we supposed to think it’s normal that everyone in the friend group knows what your girlfriend did with her former boyfriends, or that your ex comes to you with regular progress reports about her new guy? People do stuff they like. If t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:05 PM
1

Why is it wrong for women to not choose men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:19 PM
8

Women have the agency to leave bad marriages. Why are you crying about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:17 PM
4

Most women don’t have casual sex, and feminism has resulted in a reduction in abuse towards women. Adults have to do chores. If men refuse to do them, women nag or do them themselves. And women also have the agency to leave a bad partner who isn’t cooperative
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:14 PM
7

This is the whole point though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:51 AM
4

The reason women reject you is not because you’re short
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:43 AM
2

The word is standards, not standers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:33 AM
2

My husband is short. He doesn’t use the term White Knight either
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:16 AM
15

Because he made up the whole thing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:15 AM
2

I find this hard to believe. Most people are in relationships with people closer to their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:14 AM
7

Why is it a problem if men are rejected and birth rates drop? World population is artificially high because of 20th century technology that ended the child mortality crisis. The population can stand to shrink.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:13 AM
1

Why isn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:11 AM
8

You think men being drafted has anything to do with dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:14 AM
1

Why is this a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:14 AM
2

To be fair, I think he actually blames all women, not just some woman
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:56 AM
8

Maybe you should meet some people in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:54 AM
6

Most men in most western countries don’t actually care about these things, there hasn’t been a draft in the USA in more than 50 years, and most men get shared custody if they ask for it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:41 AM
1

If men can’t be better and instead just fear women having equal rights, then maybe some men need to go unchosen
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:30 AM
2

I am not deleting your comments. I enjoy shooting fish in a barrel. Admin thinks you’re not being nice enough to me though. Reiterating my point: if you genuinely think that women are stupid and lose value as human beings as they age, you will continue to fail at interpersonal relationships. If you want to have female company in life, you need to learn how to like women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:09 AM
3

I literally have a genius level IQ. I love when you guys think that men are inherently smarter than women. It’s such a nonsensical argument
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:34 PM
4

Okay. Blame everyone for your problems. It doesn’t hurt me. Gotta go cook dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:33 PM
3

Source: every thread on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:14 PM
4

I’ve been married to my favorite person for 21 years
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:41 PM
29

We know what we want, but a lot of men don’t don’t respect us enough to listen
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:14 PM
0

Enjoy your life
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:27 PM
0

It’s an extra level of delulu to think that the people you should listen to are single men who hate women and not women in stable relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:19 PM
1

Bad faith arguments contradict themselves. The point is always to vilify women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:13 PM
1

I am only going by what redpill men tell me themselves. It’s very hard to understand redpill if you attempt to approach it as a coherent philosophy, because it’s not. It’s a bunch of self-contradictory rationalizations to justify hating women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:47 AM
1

Divorce rates are falling
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:21 AM
1

My grandfather left my grandmother in 1952 and didn’t give her money. Redpill says that it’s understandable that men will turn in their wives on a younger model and shouldn’t be expected to pay child support because men don’t want children anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:21 AM
1

When your non existent wife pushes for non existent child support after your non existent divorce, have at it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:16 AM
0

Most PPD women are in stable relationships and most PPD men are incels
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:15 AM
1

You guys are looking for a woman you don’t get to know very well, have sex with, and never see again. Most women aren’t interested in that dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:39 AM
1

Shockingly, most women actually enjoy sex
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:58 AM
2

You don’t have to justify yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:39 PM
4

He means that if you’re really active on this board, it somehow invalidates your opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:49 PM
4

No it’s not, because paternity testing requires analyzing the DNA of two people and PKU just tests the baby. You aren’t required to get prenatal genetic disease testing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:24 PM
8

This is what I’m saying! Nobody wants to waste taxpayer dollars, especially when it’s always legal to refuse medical testing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:22 PM
2

It’s a million degrees out, I’m going to a concert tonight, taking my daughter on a college visit tomorrow, and going to pick blueberries on Thursday. I think I’m good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:12 PM
4

Theoretically, but also somehow not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:10 PM
8

Exactly. I can totally understand doing a test if you know that you’re not exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:10 PM
6

Assuming she wasn’t raped or in a non-monogamous relationship, of course
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:57 PM
2

What do you think raises suspicion? Having male friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:50 PM
6

Nope. My husband trusts me
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:42 PM
6

If you don’t want people to respond to your comments on a public forum, maybe Reddit isn’t for you. Have you considered journaling?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:41 PM
9

What’s weird about saying that I didn’t get a paternity test for my children because I knew I wasn’t cheating and didn’t want to waste money? You said that any woman who would object is obviously low quality. I just didn’t want to spend $200 on something that wouldn’t have taught us anything we didn’t already know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:38 PM
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Let me guess, you’re a libertarian? I didn’t get tested because I knew I was faithful and had no doubt about my child’s paternity. Why waste the money?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:28 PM
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Questioning paternity is questioning fidelity. If you already doubt your partner’s fidelity, the relationship is already over
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:14 PM
5

The state is never going to agree to this for multiple reasons. 1. You can’t force people to have a medical test that they don’t want, so most couples will just refuse. 2. It’s a lot of money for the government to spend on something that people don’t want. 3. It will likely result in more children receiving less support from private citizens and more from the government, which people will object to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:07 PM
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I’m an average looking woman married to an average looking man, and we desire each other
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:19 PM
2

Now you understand why women are scarce on dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:49 AM
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And you can’t act like someone else owes it to you to be attracted
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:56 PM
5

She sucks. Stop answering her calls
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:18 PM
7

It’s definitely rude to expect a guy you went on a few dates with to help you move, but if you aren’t interested in her, why are you dating her even sparsely? And you should have just said you were busy. I don’t think this is a true story, because it sounds like revenge against women who tell you that you aren’t entitled to their bodies. Most people agree that you don’t owe things to people whom you aren’t close with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:07 PM
2

How do women reciprocate supporting men in their struggles when men claim women have no struggles at all? Don’t we live life on easy mode?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:11 PM
2

You guys are condemning women for not dating the guy in OP
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:31 PM
1

So you’re saying women are just stupid and have bad character judgment? Gee, why aren’t they rushing to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:56 PM
1

There is no reason to compare them. OP is looking to exonerate himself for one by saying he doesn’t do the other
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:56 AM
5

Because the contradiction isn’t mine. Women are always simultaneously having too much and too little sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:44 PM
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Some women sleep with players. However, when they don’t, men continue to condemn them, which is proof that their actual behavior doesn’t really matter. Men will hate women no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:48 PM
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Of course it’s not about what women should do, it’s that your goal is to condemn women no matter what
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:16 PM
4

This guy was on apps for 6 months and got no matches because women are so picky and evil and don’t want the sex hound
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:05 PM
8

Oh, I’ve been married to a nice guy for 21 years. I have never been interested in casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:04 PM
6

You literally tell us that it lowers our value as human beings when we have sex. Why would we be interested in a guy who wants to pump and dump?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:59 PM
10

I’ve been married for 21 years to a guy who reads books and makes me laugh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:48 PM
25

So women are both obligated to make it easier for them and also bad for making it too easy for them. What’s the correct course for women to take?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:19 PM
8

I wouldn’t find that guy interesting. I like a guy who reads books and makes me laugh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:05 PM
27

Right? Women aren’t interested in fuckboys
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:59 PM
7

If you think this way about most women, this might be why they don’t want you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:49 PM
2

Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:31 PM
3

Maybe the women who look like you prefer smart men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:31 PM
4

So your issue is not that you can’t get women to pay attention to you, but that you think you’re too attractive for the women you attract
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:04 PM
2

So you think you should be dating the fat women? Or you don’t want the fat women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:39 PM
1

I know at least on married couple that met on tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:32 PM
16

Leave your house and look around: men who don’t look like cover models are dating
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:19 PM
1

Generalized abuse towards women because you’re offended that they have autonomy is bad
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:14 AM
2

I don’t need to compare and say one is worse. Both are bad. Making generalizations about people is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:27 AM
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What’s in it for women to go out with a guy who treats her like a sex worker that he doesn’t have to pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:26 AM
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It’s got nothing to do with rejection. It’s pointing out the paradox that men expect women to be virginal and also immediately sexually available
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:24 AM
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Both are bad. Cheating is abuse. It doesn’t absolve misogynistic behavior from non-cheaters
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:17 AM
8

Two things can be bad. One being bad or worse doesn’t mean the other one not bad. Saying “women are horrible because they won’t date me” is toxic
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:13 AM
1

Do you think most men worked jobs that required reading? That’s charming. Women were not allowed to learn to read, even wealthy women. It was regarded as immodest
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:17 AM
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Great attitude. You should marry a man who really gets you. Don’t settle for someone who makes you feel like you can’t be all of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:21 AM
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Story time: I was teaching in China, and the Australian guy I had been dating broke up with me in the middle of our vacation in a backpackers town with a bunch of his coworkers. 11 of us were sharing 2 hostel rooms, and I couldn’t get away from anyone. They went off to one bar, and I went to a different one. The host of the bar gave me free beer while I played Lucinda Williams songs on the bar’s beat up guitar and felt sorry for myself. I was listening to a guy talk about all the traveling he ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:28 PM
2

Because they made it impossible for women to do otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:48 PM
2

Not all eras were Ancient Rome. In 16th century Venice, women were barely taught to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:22 PM
1

No, a lot of men want a woman who has no power to leave
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:21 PM
1

Incel is more than just a guy who can’t get a date
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:30 PM
3

So femcel doesn’t actually mean anything except woman that incels hate because she points out their nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:04 PM
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You assume they’re arguing in good faith. What they really want is the power to ruin women like men used to have. Ruined women had no choice but to be thrown out on the streets and eventually succumb to disease and starvation while society blamed them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:56 PM
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But I get called femcel all the time and I’m married and not celibate
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:45 AM
3

What’s a femcel?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:37 PM
0

I mean, personality matters
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:59 PM
0

Yes because I’m a connoisseur of manosphere nonsense. I have never heard of it outside of online male influencer cult content and critiques thereof
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:09 PM
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I have had way too many men on this sub tell me that it’s oppression to expect them to get out and make friends
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:51 PM
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It’s a manosphere myth. I have never heard of a woman saying this is a requirement for her
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:38 PM
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If she’s that bad, let her go
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:37 PM
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I read through the fourth, which is full of spelling and grammar errors. It never addresses the question of fathers being denied custody of their children except in the cases of primary custody when both mother and father are seeking primary custody. Nowadays, the paradigm is usually shared custody. The fifth is also outdated, not mentioning shared custody, and also not mentioning cases where fathers are denied having time with children that they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:33 PM
-4

Those people don’t leave their homes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:23 PM
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Not a real thing. My husband is not 6 feet tall, doesn’t have a 6 pack, and didn’t start making 6 figures until we’d been together for more than 10 years. Multiple influencers (SpeechProf and others) have done the math on this and come up with the conclusion that fewer than 1% of men meet these standards. More than 1% of men date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:23 PM
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My husband is a nerdy engineer and I am utterly besotted with him. We’ve been married for 21 years
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:10 PM
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This guy is hiding bills from her to the point that he got their car repossessed. People are allowed to leave if they’re not happy. I don’t think she sounds like she made this decision lightly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:09 PM
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Laws change. Old data is not relevant. I will read the other two later. I have to go out in a minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:15 PM
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3 of those are more than 20 years old and no longer even relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:49 PM
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What I mean by improve: someone who makes my life better with his presence. He needs to at least be an interesting person whose company I enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:03 AM
2

Okay yes, that’s happened
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:03 AM
2

It’s not that at all. I push back on people who act like experts on things that they know nothing about, like how to have successful relationships when the don’t date. Or what women want when it’s nothing like what I or any of the women I know want, and the person claiming this special knowledge isn’t a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:58 AM
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I’m sure your algorithm tells you that happens all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:26 PM
4

Google it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:45 PM
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Most men don’t want this and fight against joint custody
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:09 PM
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How often you have sex with someone does not necessarily equate to how much you love them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:44 PM
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Have you ever been in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:36 PM
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And not at all points in life. When I was younger and less busy, I had more sex
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:26 PM
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It’s not 0 sexual interest. It’s more often a combination of a lack of privacy and the decision to prioritize sleep
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:26 PM
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It’s a hypothetical that doesn’t apply to anything or represent a greater truth. The point of a hypothetical is to establish an ethical framework or express a subjective opinion on a truly subjective matter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:24 PM
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If you have small children, there’s not going to be sex 2-3 times a week. Kids are exhausting. Meanwhile, our youngest goes to college next year, and we’re looking forward to having the house to ourselves. It’s a documented phenomenon that empty nesters often go through a period of increased sex after kids move out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:10 PM
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Are you sure? Men on this sub whine all the time that LTRs are universally bad for men. Also, the reality of a good LTR is usually somewhere in between. Life is busy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:47 PM
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So you portray long term relationships as unfairly mediocre to bad, and hookup sex as servile on the woman’s part where she’s offering unreciprocated oral sex. You have created a scenario where conditions are unfairly put on one side to make it bad, and conditions are unfairly too generous on the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:41 PM
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But then you also reject the entire premise of the OP. I have been married for 21 years, and we have sex usually about 1-2 times a week still. Sometimes we have “I’m tired but I want to get off as quickly as possible” sex, and sometimes we have really exciting sex. It’s never unsatisfying or bad, though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:26 PM
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Oh, in that case I pick a LTR where the sex is better and more frequent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:24 PM
1

What facts?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:21 PM
2

Okay, but you have to add the last detail. It’s a hypothetical. What’s the validity of it as a hypothetical? Have you ever heard of a restaurant like that? Is that typical for restaurants?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:21 PM
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Well, you can create any hypothetical, right? Would you rather have a homemade meal made by someone you know, or a restaurant meal? Assume the restaurant meal is dog shit and broken glass. The obvious answer is that nobody would choose dog shit and broken glass. The question is, how valid is the question when one side is so heavily weighted towards the negative? My experience is that long term relationships tend to result in better and more frequent sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:17 PM
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That’s a big assumption that sex in an LTR is infrequent and so-so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:04 PM
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No. That is a modern invention
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:39 PM
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I didn’t say it was forced. However, what might benefit a couple as a collective unit might benefit one party at the expense of the other separately. I stayed home with my kids for 6 years and then went back to school. It hindered my career as an individual, but it benefited our family as a collective unit, including saving us childcare expenses, giving me time to take my father-in-law to doctors appointments when he was suffering from a terminal degenerative illness, giving me time to cook from…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:14 PM
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First of all, only approximately 7% of divorcing women and 3% of divorcing men in the USA collect alimony nowadays. Secondly, a parent doesn’t put a child into a position of doing unpaid labor at the expense of a career. Children can’t really have careers anyway. Thirdly, this has nothing to do with prenuptial agreements, which are decided on by married couples before marriage. Children do not ask to be born. This analogy makes no sense in any capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:32 PM
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They’re not. But unless they get a lot better, women are going to choose the bear. Remember that among the most common causes of death to young women is murder by an intimate partner. A significant minority of women experience sexual assault by men, and basically all women experience sexual harassment by men. And that’s just the really monstrous behavior. We’re not talking about things like the fact that women in cohabitating relationships do more housework than they do when single, and men in c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:35 PM
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There are roughly equal numbers of men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:00 PM
2

But your friends say you don’t put yourself out there
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:59 PM
2

If you think that women’s collective reputation is the problem, I don’t wonder why you’re single and rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:59 PM
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It’s more that women have the option now of not choosing at all. Single women are no longer social pariahs, dependent on extended family or menial labor for support. Men have to actually improve their lives to be worth considering.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:53 PM
2

Okay. Go ahead and punish those evil women. That doesn’t come off as bitter or misogynistic
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:47 PM
1

Oh, interesting. I would never date a guy like you. I like smart guys who have their shit together and aren’t wasted all the time. Glad it worked out for you though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:44 PM
7

Why would you listen to a woman who tells you her own lives experience when you could repeat the same redpill tropes written by single, bitter men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:17 PM
2

Nah, women are still dating normal men. Get out of your Algorithm
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:11 PM
1

Why are you so angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:10 PM
0

You come off as really angry and bitter. I’m thinking it’s not about your height.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:59 PM
3

The former
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:58 PM
2

Yes, and you got to know them before you were sleeping with them or considering yourselves a couple
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:57 PM
3

My husband is 5’7”. My son is 5’6.5” and is talking to a girl he knows from college who invited him to visit her over the summer. My daughter is dating a guy who’s 5”5.5”. Just based on my own personal experience, women date short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:55 PM
-3

False hope to whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:53 PM
5

Then work on changing that among your peers. Create social gatherings. Encourage people to invite people that the friend group doesn’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:48 PM
-7

Most women don’t have unreasonable standards
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:47 PM
4

Hilarious. I used to be too young to be allowed on the internet. Now I’m too old. My husband is at the office, my son is at his summer job (he drove himself there), my daughter is sleeping off the effects of the meningitis shots she got yesterday, and I am a teacher on summer break. You still didn’t answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:43 PM
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I started chatting with my husband on a city bus. We were married 15 months later. The part that you don’t see is that I used to talk to people on the bus all the time. I only married one of them. Talking to people on public transportation was low stakes and just a way to pass the time. Afterwards, you never had to talk to the person again
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:41 PM
0

You find people until you find the right person. Sometimes you reject them, and sometimes they reject you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:36 PM
-1

Before what? I’m 50 and married. What happened that made it so much harder for you to meet people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:34 PM
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Ooh! You’ve cursed us with being cat ladies!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:33 PM
-7

Those evil women, only wanting to date men they find attractive. Men would never judge women on physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:32 PM
0

Stop whining, get friends together, and throw low-key parties if you want to meet people. Make them potluck and/or BYOB if you want. Invite your friends and get them to invite their friends. The explicit vibe will be expanding the social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:31 PM
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Redpillers are definitely not traditional, because they advocate using and discarding women, often under false pretenses. Their only consistent position is misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:21 PM
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None of what you said makes sense. If you don’t want to get married, don’t. I like being married.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:16 PM
8

The longer you’re with someone, the longer you have to work on being the best
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:09 PM
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This is certainly not the first time that something like this has happened. It used to happen to gay couples a lot, where the family would force the partner out of their home, or even refuse to let them into the intensive care ward as their partner died. I have heard of cases where the partner was magnanimous enough to let the estranged family know that their child/sibling/etc was dying only to have this happen, from family that the dying partner hadn’t been in contact with for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:57 AM
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I am so sorry. That’s genuinely terrible
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:39 AM
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Okay. Change the laws. Marriage is rooted in patriarchy, but the laws are pretty egalitarian. A marriage is as egalitarian as you make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:38 AM
5

You can, but legally your extended family can mess things up for you if you aren’t married
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:55 AM
4

It’s easier to go through life with a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:27 AM
1

I have taught kids with cognitive disabilities, and they’re not having lots of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:44 PM
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Most guys do find the nice girl who appreciates them if they’re out in the world being social
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:39 PM
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Some guys out there think that just looking like a nice guy character makes you a nice guy. Example off the top of my head: Rick Moranis played lots of dorky nice guy characters in movies. He voluntarily left showbusiness for a long time, because his wife was dying of cancer and he had small children to take care of. He’s just starting to get back into movies. Looking like Rick Moranis doesn’t make you as great of a guy as Rick Moranis appears to be. One does not equate to the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:37 PM
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The reason marriage contracts exist is to declare to the state that a person you are not related to by blood should be regarded as your next of kin. As such, they inherit your property, get to visit you in the hospital, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:42 PM
1

Those same men will claim that women can’t pair bond with anyone but the first man they ever slept with
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:55 PM
-1

Because women have the option of taking care of themselves and not needing men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:32 PM
-1

He said that women’s freedom is bad for men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:18 PM
7

The points that kids who are intelligent and take school seriously are less likely to have sex as children? I was a smart nerd and didn’t have sex in high school either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:44 PM
-6

So you, as a nice guy, want to limit women’s freedom?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:42 PM
5

Is having fewer than 4 partners a year considered not successful? If someone has a serious girlfriend, how many partners would they have?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:39 PM
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I would say that non-porn pop culture definitely doesn’t help. The typical protagonist these days is the nice guy who gets the girl before the hot guy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:19 PM
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You, as a person in a western country in contemporary times, are living a safer existence than any human beings in all of human history. Nobody needs you to fight lions or throw your body on a grenade. We just want you to wash dishes once in a while
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:43 AM
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Yes, if the women you’re dating are 12. My daughter is 17 and even she would think this was cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:38 AM
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It’s just a way that men in the manosphere try to make women question their worth. It doesn’t matter how long you dated or who initiated the breakup, you guys want women to feel like if it didn’t last forever, it’s because the women weren’t good enough and the men felt that way about them from the beginning. If men stay with women, it’s because they’re oofy doofy beta simps
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:46 PM
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Okay. Guess you guys don’t really provide or protect like you say you do. So glad I married a beta simp oofy doofy who doesn’t treat me like that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:23 AM
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If you aren’t willing to intervene, you aren’t really a good guy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:29 PM
1

Obviously you’re the expert
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:07 PM
1

This is clearly why you have been so successful. Listening to your algorithm always beats listening to actual people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:39 PM
-1

Okay, do whatever you want. She’s not going to like it, and she’s going to think you’re a creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:50 PM
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Don’t cold approach women in public, tell them that they’re pretty, and ask them out. That’s creepy. Talking to someone in public, whether it’s at the same bus stop you wait at every day at the same time, or at a bar or party that’s intended to be a social event is totally fine. But get to know a person a little bit and see if you like them before you ask them out
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:37 AM
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People have been making fun of women’s loneliness for centuries. This is literally the first time anyone has ever pushed back against loser men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:12 PM
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Why good?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:49 PM
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Interesting. Women being lonely has been openly mocked by our vice president
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:46 PM
1

That’s more unsupported claims
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:21 PM
1

You’re not proving anything though. You’re making a claim that Mongolia is better than other countries, but you have no numbers or statistics to back it up
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:07 PM
1

Can you show me information on this? Because I just did a quick google search and found that there is incel social media activity in Mongolia
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:37 PM
2

I would disagree. I think young men are falling into the manosphere because patriarchal structures cannot adapt to a world where women don’t need men to function in society
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:18 PM
2

Exactly. Show me things like longer life expectancy, better mental health, stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:06 PM
-2

Okay. Why is Mongolia positive for having traditional male roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:47 PM
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The child mortality rate of Mongolia is more than twice the rate of the USA. Why would we want to emulate that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:25 PM
3

I’m raising a son. He’s pretty shy but has lots of friends and hobbies. He’s almost 20. He’s currently enjoying his day working on his beloved POS car. So yeah, I think I would be fine
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:49 PM
1

Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:08 PM
3

Scapegoating? You’re literally taking credit for the achievements of all men and asserting that women just stood by
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:06 PM
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I feel like the example of my life (traveled in my 20s, wasn’t a virgin when I met my husband at 28, got married at 29 and had kids at 30 and 33, am currently 50 with a happy marriage) held up to the example of manosphere influencers (incels, guys who pay for it, guys who have been divorced multiple times, and guys who don’t follow their own advice) might make some of the pillheads stop and think “wow, maybe this old lady has it figured out.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:45 PM
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So you’re speculating that men who are nice to women are being cheated on?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:11 PM
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Agree with women about what?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:11 PM
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How would a white knight/simp experience schadenfreude?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:10 PM
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Why do you frame it negatively when men love women? I’m a woman who calls out toxic manosphere behavior. I get accused of hating men, when I am actually in a very happy marriage with a really great guy. The fact that he treats me kindly and doesn’t “put me in my place” is very triggering to redpill men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:09 PM
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I needed emergency c sections with both of my kids because they were occiput posterior and didn’t come down far enough for me to push them out. I would have absolutely died in childbirth, likely taking my son with me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:51 PM
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The thing is, the specific men who accuse women of not taking accountability will also call normal-looking nice men oofy doofy and betabuxx. It’s a bad faith argument from men who want women to be abused by their fantasy Chad, and they want to blame women for abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:55 PM
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What’s in that for us?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:12 PM
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I love the argument that men created everything while women made the clothes, made the food (and the cookpots it went in) kept the fired burning, and raised all the babies. You know, the dumb stuff. Now women go to college and men say scholarship is weak and feminine. Women didn’t like sex because they didn’t choose their mates
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:09 PM
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This is a stretch. It seems more logical that the guys who constantly put down men by calling them simps and oofy doofy are the actual misandrists, and the women who say “personality matters more to me than height, actually” maybe are not
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:13 PM
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You don’t know who the father of your kids is? Skill issue
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:26 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:25 PM
3

Cheating is an abusive choice made by bad people
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:32 PM
2

You must really hate your wife
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:29 PM
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Acting like you have a reason to doubt your mate’s fidelity without good cause is a tactic of abusers
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:23 PM
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So you assume all women are liars
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:04 PM
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Guys who sit around fantasizing about catching women at paternity fraud and acting like it’s normal to put loyal women through shit tests?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:03 PM
5

But the point is to blame women for everything!! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:02 PM
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I would consent and then divorce him after I proved that I wasn’t cheating. Good thing I married a beta simp oofy doofy who trusts and loves me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:43 PM
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None of them have ever had a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:41 PM
7

And lack of trust. If my husband didn’t trust me, I wouldn’t stay with him
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:38 PM
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You guys are so insecure. It’s actually funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:37 PM
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My BS? He believed that he was the father of my child because I am trustworthy and he’s not insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:54 PM
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You seem angry that he didn’t
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:11 PM
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I would have divorced my husband if he had demanded a paternity test. We’ve been married for 21 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:09 PM
1

Online includes through social media and only accounts for half according to your graph
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:09 AM
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That’s irresponsible. You should make sure you talk about kids, pets, debt, where you’re going to live, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:37 PM
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Women don’t like dating apps as much as men do, so there’s not an even mix
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:32 PM
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I think people should have all the uncomfortable conversations before they get married
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:09 PM
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How are you making this call as to what women deserve based on their value? And why are men getting hoodwinked by evil women into dating below their level?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:08 PM
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I don’t think most people enter into marriage thinking that someday they’ll stop wanting to have sex with their partner
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:56 PM
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You blame feminism for genital mutilation?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:41 PM
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And we don’t blame men for it, but you blame women for everything because you can’t get matches on online dating
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:36 PM
1

Dads?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:53 PM
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To whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:19 PM
2

I advocate for expanding the rights of women.What are you doing to end the draft in Ukraine?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:38 PM
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I’m not a unicorn. I won’t claim to have been a virgin before I met my husband, but I wasn’t having one night stands either. I had relationships with mostly nice guys who ultimately I realized I wasn’t compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:58 PM
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You think you’re a victim of systemic oppression greater than what black people suffer as you look at an army in another country?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:08 PM
5

Most of the examples you’ve mentioned are imposed by men on men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:54 PM
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Let’s use you and me as examples. I’m happily married. What about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:14 PM
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I agree. This post was a lot of words that said very little
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:57 PM
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I’m glad that the guy I married was capable of being interesting enough for me to stick with him for reasons other than desperation
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:55 PM
2

Is it like your life or just like your algorithm?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:54 PM
0

I never had casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:51 PM
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I find it interesting that the women who supposedly hate men are usually in a loving relationship with a man while they men who understand female nature are alone and rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:30 PM
4

You live in Ukraine? Are Ukrainian men brought home to serve from abroad?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:29 PM
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In Afghanistan, women are not allowed to speak to their friends in public. You’re oppressed because women don’t swipe right on dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:16 PM
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I’m sure that gender studies programs will note that men fail to be desirable to women on merit when women have the autonomy to refuse
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:01 PM
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I think blaming moms is simplistic
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:07 PM
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I want to emphasize that none of these things are unreasonable to want
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:05 PM
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It’s nothing like my life either. Who are you hanging out with?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:44 PM
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Do you have evidence that a majority of women are like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:41 PM
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Society enabled women to change in a way that was advantageous to women. Women aren’t going to voluntarily choose something disadvantageous to them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:29 PM
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5’7”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:56 AM
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Why would you assume otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:45 AM
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Oh it’s definitely what they mean
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:03 AM
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Even if it hurts and she cries. I have a short list of things I really won’t do. Don’t put it in my butt, don’t choke me, don’t cum on my face. I love my husband specifically because he won’t violate these boundaries. And because I am comfortable with him, I actually do a lot more kinky stuff (that I won’t specify) that doesn’t violate my boundaries, because it’s not degrading or painful. Men on this board have tried to tell me that I am not really attracted to my husband because I let an ex coe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:52 PM
11

Again, help more with housework. Find a woman who is open to the idea of kids
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:26 PM
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Men are bellowing at women that women trap men into fatherhood. Women are complaining that having kids causes them setbacks in their career, and gives them exponentially more housework that men won’t help with. If you want women to have kids, be a better partner
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:21 PM
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You guys literally tell us that men don’t want children and should have the right to financially abort. You also hate single mothers for having husbands who don’t support their own children. If children are so great, why don’t you want them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:07 PM
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I just realized that you think this woman represents all women because you never leave your house
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:05 PM
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The women I know in my real life are willing to date guys who are not tall
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:04 PM
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If you think height will make or break a relationship, you probably shouldn’t be dating
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:33 PM
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So you like the idea of women dismissing guys of a certain height before they even meet them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:00 PM
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No, I think women are just turned off by your negativity. Men who get laid are happier
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:25 AM
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You literally talk trash about all women saying we’re all horrible and ugly and take no accountability. You sound awful, and you’re not smart enough to be interesting. Maybe look inward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:06 AM
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No, the guys who are unapologetic about being players are usually not mean. They just don’t take anything very seriously. Do you think you’re nice?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:52 AM
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But the person you are is a belligerent bully. If men want women to choose better, they need to accept that belligerent bullies are going to be rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:14 AM
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I mean, I tell you guys this all the time, and you tell me I’m a liar and those men are settling
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:49 AM
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No, social circle is the way. Talk to people and see if you vibe before you even consider making a move. Get to know each other low pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:55 PM
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I love this. Dating apps encourage people to be superficial and rule out things they would likely overlook or compromise on IRL if they like the person
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:37 PM
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I’ve been married to a nice guy for 21 years. Guys like you call him a beta simp oofy doofy etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:19 PM
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Because men victimize women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:07 PM
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And even if you have someone who’s a workaholic who has a spouse who takes care of the home, you typically find that educated people prefer the company of other educated people. A guy with a medical degree might be happy enough with a woman who has a PhD in medieval history and is offensively underpaid as an adjunct professor at a local college, but he’s likely not going to marry a grocery store cashier
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:18 PM
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Men usually talk about it to shout over pride
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:40 PM
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And yet you have to google it. Everyone knows when men’s mental health month is
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:31 PM
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It’s sociopathic to pretend to have more than sexual interest with someone and only want to use them. Why would women be interested in men who don’t care about their personalities or achievements?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:30 PM
1

You sound angry and unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:18 PM
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We’re constantly hearing about the male loneliness epidemic even though men suffer loneliness at about the same rates as women. With men, it a crisis. With women, it’s a punchline. When is women’s mental health month?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:31 PM
1

This doesn’t sound angry or unhinged at all
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:06 PM
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Because this isn’t the way it works, and you would know if you had ever had any kind of sexual relationship at all, which you clearly have not
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:52 AM
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You have serious problems with consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:11 AM
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I am more attracted to my husband than I was to my ex. I still don’t let him penetrate me anally because it hurts
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:03 AM
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When I was a single adult in the 1990s/2000s, I went a lot of places and met and talked to a lot of people. These places included college dorms, fraternity parties, singles mixers for young adults, parties thrown by friends, youth hostels abroad, and a guesthouse for English teachers in China. Sometimes I would meet someone I really clicked with. In those cases, I would usually end up dating that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:58 AM
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So you’re now saying that I don’t have the right to refuse something I didn’t enjoy in the past
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:53 AM
2

Do you think that men are generally kind to women when they don’t want something from them?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:55 AM
0

So you’re saying that men should stop being nice to women because women don’t deserve people being nice to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:27 AM
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It’s not the experience of men who live in their algorithms and don’t actually associate with women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:20 AM
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It doesn’t matter how much we tell you that we marry the guys we like best, you’ll just tell us we’re lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:32 PM
2

Again, that’s an argument from marginal cases
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:19 PM
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So you want an endless stream of young, beautiful women to have sex with you anonymously and then leave, and you are mad that conventional advice doesn’t give you what you want. Nothing is going to give you this, because it’s an unrealistic ask. People are ultimately out there for themselves, too. Nobody owes you anything. If you want to have sex, you’re going to have to put up with having relationships with other human beings who look like normal human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:45 PM
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Ew. I’m so glad I married a beta simp oofy doofy white knight bloopie guy who still likes me even though I’m 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:10 PM
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All of that makes sense. And when women say, after they reach adulthood and start thinking about having adult relationships, “I want a guy who’s employed, not an addict, and capable of handling adult responsibilities,” guys on this board scream “ALPHA FUX BETA BUX!!!!” The reality is that most people don’t prioritize much beyond attraction and enjoying hanging out with someone until they’re in their early 20s. And while those guys might be fun, and attraction and enjoying each other’s company ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:39 PM
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It’s not good to use people. Continuing to be friends with someone whom you’ve shot down is not using them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:04 PM
4

My life with my kind husband is awesome
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:29 PM
3

So she was mid 20s, you were, what, early 30s? And you’re fortyish now? That’s middle aged
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:00 PM
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Again, they look normal and they hate women who don’t even know them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:58 PM
0

I’m sorry but I just don’t subscribe to the whole boo hoo woe is me thing. It’s scapegoating women for men’s terrible behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:43 PM
1

Literally every guy whose photo I have seen who identifies as an incel is good looking enough to attract women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:09 PM
4

What facts? Are you citing data somewhere? I don’t hate men. I specifically said that women like feminist men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:52 PM
4

You aren’t supporting your argument. I’m trying to get you to reflect on your own life and see if your actions have gotten you where you want to be. You were never going to listen to women anyway because you hate women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:32 PM
1

It’s not an isolated thing. Read Arthur Chu’s article “Your Princess Is In Another Castle”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:25 PM
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I mean, based on your level of professional accomplishment, I assume you’re middle aged. I would hope that a woman who was an appropriate age to date you wouldn’t get wrapped up in nonsense like that. If I were single, I wouldn’t ask things like that, but I’m 50 and my algorithm is mostly cooking and cat videos
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:23 PM
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You don’t see a problem with men self labeling as nice because they identify with nerdy pop culture figures pitted against good looking assholes? I became an adolescent in the 1980s. I remember the movie Revenge of The Nerds where the heroes commit multiple sex crimes against the popular girls, but we’re still supposed to cheer them on because the girls are stuck up bitches and our heroes are the nice guys
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:19 PM
2

Then you don’t understand what women mean when they rail against “nice guys.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:10 PM
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Oh, congratulations. Usually when men online say they want a woman who brings them peace, what they mean is that they don’t want a fully formed human being with her own desires
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:09 PM
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Okay, but there are actually other options. A guy could just accept it and move on. Most women don’t want a guy whom they have turned down to keep hanging around
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:00 PM
3

Have you found your peaceful woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:58 PM
2

I have seen incels online advocate for women to be raped and murdered because they don’t choose nice guys. A lot of people who claim to be nice are not nice. Similarly, I married a nice guy. Manosphere guys who tell women to choose better call him oofy doofy, betabuxx, simp, white knight, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:54 PM
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It’s not an asshole move to not be interested in continuing to interact with someone who has shot you down. You’re only an asshole if you get angry at someone like they owed you something. Similarly, a person who pretends to be your friend and drops your friendship when you say you’re not interested in more was never really your friend
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:52 PM
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My husband is a feminist and I desire him. Are you married?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:23 PM
3

Compensate in what way? What I often see is women wanting a guy who’s equally willing to take on adult responsibilities and to be faithful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:23 PM
2

What considerations?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:19 PM
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According to whom? I don’t think that’s an invalid reason to leave a relationship. The only reasons I would judge someone for leaving would be if they were cheating or left because their partner got sick
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:22 AM
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Their personal boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:36 AM
2

Trump typically has sex with pornographers and high-class escorts, women who use sexuality to gain money and power. His wife was a call girl for Jeffrey Epstein who used her looks to get out of Yugoslavia during the communist era. Most women are not like this. If you think they are, I very much doubt that you are interacting with many women or having sex at all
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:13 AM
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And 20K doesn’t make someone any money at all
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:09 AM
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Anyone has the right to leave a relationship at any time if they’re not happy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:04 AM
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Maybe some women under the age of 25, but not any with even the barest amount of brains or education.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:02 AM
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Exactly. Compromise doesn’t require overriding your boundaries. If you hate going to sports games and your partner loves them, you need to be okay with either letting them go by themselves or going with them and being bored sometimes. It doesn’t mean doing stuff in bed that makes you cry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:39 AM
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This is becoming less common. Women are reaching out to women, especially online, and encouraging them not to compromise
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:28 PM
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The problem is that guys who pressure women to do things they don’t want to do because they’ve done them before don’t acutely care about the reasons why women don’t want to do it. Coercion is a huge problem in sexual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:38 PM
2

Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:17 PM
2

Why would you think she wouldn’t want you to?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:49 PM
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I am so glad I married a bloopie beta simp white knight oofy doofy who doesn’t make me do things I don’t want to do in bed. (This post is a joke. I like to co-opt manosphere insults for guys who sound like ideal husbands)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:22 PM
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You shouldn’t need to be coy or hide past experience from a current partner because they are going to feel entitled to do things that you didn’t enjoy because you did them with someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:15 PM
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Of the woman you made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:35 AM
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My personal stories are not made up, but you literally made up a fictional scenario and got mad about it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:27 AM
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The insecurity stems from entitlement and the misogynistic belief that women are only as virtuous as the sex acts they have committed
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:26 AM
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The one you made up?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:15 AM
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What makes you think she would say she didn’t like it if she describes in detail how she screamed in pleasure? Are women all duplicitous liars?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:13 AM
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The self-proclaimed expertise of failure men is the last gasp of the patriarchy and I’m here for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:11 AM
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I want you to deeply reflect on your own life. Do you have a relationship? I do. Maybe listen to people who have real life experiences of things that you only read about on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:07 AM
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Because they believe that we just let more attractive men do things that we refuse other men to do, and it’s our fault for being superficial
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:18 AM
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It sounds like you feel like women having sex diminishes their value. You don’t have to think about women this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:31 AM
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I dated a guy who told me he’d had a threesome. The whole experience made him feel really uncomfortable. People do stuff that they regret. It didn’t bother me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:30 AM
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I said to my husband that I had done anal and not enjoyed it, and I never wanted to do it again. He never complained or pressured me because he’s not a rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:16 AM
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Literally this is why women refuse to do things with you that they did with someone else. It’s literally always involves a bad experience. Some experiences are worse than others, but women don’t refuse to do things they enjoy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:01 AM
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It has to do with the fact that we actually have healthy sexual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:54 AM
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You speak so authoritatively about this like it’s real. Women don’t just magically consent to stuff because their partner is hot and then shrink away from their loving husband or boyfriend. It’s literally always that she doesn’t want to. And your choice is to live with it or break up. Whining and begging and shaming someone for not doing something they don’t want to do is coercion, and not respecting consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:52 AM
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You deserve better. Cats and wine and a rose toy would never do this to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:40 AM
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For the record, he was also short and bald and less attractive than my husband
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:32 AM
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Typically women don’t commit to men they find unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:31 AM
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Because that doesn’t happen. The manosphere lied to you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:25 AM
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My ex coerced me into letting him put it in my ass. It hurt, I bled, and he couldn’t get it in very far, so when he came, it went everywhere. I ended up on the morning after pill, which made me cry hysterically for two days. Any guy who pressures a woman to do something she refuses to do because she did it with another man can die in a fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:23 AM
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I just know I do stuff with my husband that I wasn’t even comfortable talking about with previous partners
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:18 AM
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Women you date are not merely prostitutes that you don’t pay. I’m sorry that you aren’t wealthy and famous enough to have groupies who sleep with you for clout
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:15 AM
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Also, people tend to get more adventurous as their comfort level improves. Safe relationships enable more experimentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:10 AM
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So you think women are obligated to perform things that they don’t like?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:06 AM
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Yeah, no. Wild fun is still fun the second time. If she doesn’t want to do it again, it’s because she didn’t like it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:03 AM
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Because she hated it. And it’s usually anal, and it hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:54 AM
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The patriarchy harms men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:08 PM
1

Okay, but Radcliffe famously had fewer courses of study than Harvard
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 06:11 PM
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Or leave your house
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 06:09 PM
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Conventional advice is that apps are terrible
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:05 PM
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Do you think they represent the majority of successful people? You’re looking at a few high profile people who are nothing like the majority of doctors, lawyers, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:47 PM
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Are women claiming oppression?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:39 PM
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It’s only very recently that the number of female college graduates has outnumbered men. How are you being discriminated against? The Trump administration has actively recruited less qualified men over more qualified women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:53 PM
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You seem to be employing circular logic
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:24 PM
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Obama is very agreeable. So is Joe Biden. For that matter, so are Mitt Romney and George W. Bush, and so was John McCain. Trump is a con artist who was handed a fortune. His catastrophic diplomatic failure in Iran should tell you how disagreeableness translates to lack of success. What’s disagreeable about Michael Jordan? He comes off as really personable
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:10 PM
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Oh, my husband is a pretty agreeable guy. I’m friends with lots of educated, professional people who are in happy marriages with happy children. The agreeable ones seem to be doing better. People in leadership positions rise to leadership partly on popularity. Agreeability is important. Part of my husband’s job involves convincing a sometimes hostile public that the construction project that they are going to have in their community is going to improve their quality of life despite the short ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:54 PM
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Got a citation for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:26 PM
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Femicide is also trending down
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:25 AM
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Not by normal men. Just by manosphere weirdos. It’s notable that a priest in Brazil stopped a wedding a few months ago because the groom had taped the words “help me” (in Portuguese) to the bottom of his shoes, which became visible when he kneeled before the altar. Men love to make the case that commitment only benefits women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:26 PM
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You guys are the ones who tell us this though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:02 PM
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Right. I have had manosphere-addled men tell me that committing to women was beta because only women wanted loving and committed relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:50 PM
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I disagree. I think that conventional dating advice suggests that being with the right person will make both of you happy. Redpill suggests that dating is a zero sum game where one person’s happiness comes at the expense of the other’s, and you should maximize your chances of being the happier party. As a person in a happy marriage, it doesn’t ring true for me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:18 PM
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Your argument that I only care about men in my bloodline kinda died there. Sounds like you want a young beautiful woman to be infinitely sympathetic to you and then have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:49 PM
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I don’t believe you if your psychiatrist sister disagrees with you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:20 PM
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No, I think you’re unwilling to help yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:11 PM
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If you refuse to do the work, therapy won’t help
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:04 PM
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People have likely heard you complain a lot and noticed you doing very little to fix things
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:03 PM
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Do you go to therapy? Maybe your sister is telling you to go to therapy because you’re not taking the first step in self care
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:55 PM
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I have literally told my college-aged son that a friend of his who is a young man, who is currently struggling at home with an unstable mother, that his friend is welcome to move into our spare room any time he needs. I doubt your sister is saying “just go to therapy,” but if you refuse to even consider therapy, you can’t claim nothing works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:48 PM
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I have empathy, but I also believe that people who blame literally everyone else for their problems, especially when they claim that women have it easy, need to be urged to do something to help themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:42 PM
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Not all women engage in casual sex. Acting like women owe you casual sex because they theoretically might have it with someone is creepy and off-putting. Acting like it’s an act of oppression to suggest that you should find a person who likes you as a human being is just pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:40 AM
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Do women routinely consent to being used and discarded?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:34 AM
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In fact, I do. I lived in a different city than I went to college in, and I went through a period of feeling socially isolated. I worked hard to get myself out of it. You can too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:52 AM
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It’s just as hard for women as it is for men, but we manage to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:50 AM
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Sorry, but don’t you guys claim to be the strong ones? Show a little strength and build a social circle
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:37 AM
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I’m going to explain this to you because you clearly don’t understand what the other posters are trying to explain to you. Most women aren’t interested in being used and discarded. Redpill is trying to get clicks and money from socially stunted guys who want to have a lot of anonymous sex with a stream of beautiful women by selling them on the idea that this is a skill issue. The reality is that most women don’t want this, and it’s kind of sociopathic to treat women you date as sex workers you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:41 AM
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I wouldn’t care about that if you could talk about stuff I was into. If you would refuse to go see a low cost independent theater production and discuss the show afterwards, would get bored. I wanted someone who wouldn’t refuse to go to museums with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:24 AM
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What’s a normie though? My husband and I are huge dorks and I still think people should be themselves, because it’s the only way to find someone who likes you the way you are. I grew up a nerd with a mean girl cool kid sister. She has never known how to be herself because she suppressed everything about her that was different in an effort not to be weird. She’s 47 and divorced with no friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:02 AM
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Oh, so you’re saying I couldn’t possibly be smart because I’m a chemistry teacher. I wasn’t claiming to be smart. Obviously, having an IQ in the 99.6th percentile means nothing, and the likelihood is that I am average intelligence or even below. I never said that my husband chose me for my brains. I chose him for his brains. He chose me for my enormous tits.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:56 AM
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Where’s the gap in my self perception vs. reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:32 AM
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Not for men who are good enough
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:57 AM
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It’s amusing to me that you’re trying to belittle someone who has literally everything you claim good women are supposed to want. It’s almost like you just hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:56 AM
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He’s an engineer. I teach chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:41 AM
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Are you acting like an oppressed minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:23 AM
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There are a few small women’s colleges. There are still men’s only colleges. Let me reiterate: major state universities and Ivy League schools didn’t admit women in the 1970s or shortly before. Are any colleges closing their admissions to men that previously admitted men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:09 AM
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Right? We’re supposed to choose better until we do, then he’s a bloopie beta simp oofy doofy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:48 AM
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In 1970, the University of Virginia didn’t even admit women. Neither did Harvard. Yale and Princeton began admitting women in 1969. Columbia didn’t admit women until 1983. Have any colleges closed their admissions to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:39 AM
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Because 99.9% of people are going to be attractive to someone, and if you only consider being interesting or kind as something you do to attract people, you don’t have those qualities
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:38 AM
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Likely so. He comes off as angry
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:51 AM
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Abusive people don’t usually display their abusive tendencies up front, and society has put a lot of pressure on women to overlook problems in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:50 AM
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Yes, but a lot of people who use that term are insufferable, so I don’t use it. But still yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:44 AM
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I think feminists are doing just fine. Women are graduating college at higher rates than men and are less likely to experience domestic violence than they were in the past. It sounds like you’re angry that women are putting themselves first rather than thinking about men first
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:36 AM
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None of them are binary either. I really like really smart guys. I wanted a guy who was off the charts smart. That box was way more important to me than looks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:28 AM
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Oh. My husband is short and doesn’t have a gym bod. My guess is that there are some women would be attracted to you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:24 AM
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I started talking to my husband because I thought he was cute. I got together with him because he’s brilliant and funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:53 AM
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Bootstraps. You can’t expect women to fix everything for you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:51 AM
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This sounds like you’ve been reading a lot about women but not actually talking to any wy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:24 PM
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Mental illness needs to be treated by a therapist. Most incels are normal looking
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:06 PM
1

Have you asked your friends to set you up? How often do you go out? Do you initiate socializing, or do you wait for people to invite you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:54 PM
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Do you socialize? Or do you just swipe on dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:38 PM
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Because one doesn’t equal the other. If you use sex to try to get love, you’re going to end up disappointed
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:37 PM
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Literally the manosphere makes fun of women for not making money and claims that men created civilization while women sat around
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:23 PM
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Men in manosphere spaces literally claim that it’s unmanly to like women as people and care about their personalities. If women feel treated like sex objects, maybe it’s because men treat them like sex objects
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:12 PM
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People (not all people) have always equated sex with love and attention, and it’s unhealthy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:54 PM
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Maybe those guys need to meet people. A lot of guys are not socializing enough
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:53 PM
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Okay, but maybe they should shed some of the incel bitterness about how they don’t want some girl who had casual sex with fifty Chads and now wants them to jester and wait for sex. Because that’s not anything they can prove anyway. The only sensible advice is what has worked forever. Meet lots of people until you find one you like, and ask them out
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:45 PM
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We were together for more than a year and it didn’t work out. How is that a negative experience? Most people don’t marry their first serious partner
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:33 PM
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Maybe those men would be more successful if they looked for actual relationships instead of whining about how Chad gets all the casual hookups. The guy I lost my virginity to was someone I met freshman year of college, and before him, I hadn’t been past second base. He was also a virgin when I met him. We spent a lot of time experimenting, and we learned a lot from each other. I broke up with him sophomore year.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:28 PM
2

Fair. Women are finding it very hard to have kids nowadays. Congratulations
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:19 PM
2

I know multiple men who stay at home or work fewer hours than their wives
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:14 PM
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No, someone has to do it, and if the mom is breastfeeding and already working in an undervalued profession, it makes logical sense for her to do it. Also, society has deemed childcare unmanly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:13 PM
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She’s doing a job that capitalist society equates to not contributing. It’s soul-crushing even when it’s good for her family
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:07 PM
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Yes, because people assume taking care of children is a woman’s job
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:02 PM
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Wow, that’s a non-sequitur. Also, when I taught English in China, my colleagues were pretty evenly split between men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:02 PM
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I get it. Women do the dumb unimportant stuff like feeding people and caring for children while men create civilization. You guys wonder why birth rates are falling
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:01 PM
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Men don’t experience career setbacks when they have kids
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:28 PM
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The wage gap exists for mothers. Men are leaving the bulk of child rearing to women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:22 PM
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I had no trouble finding a stable, reliable person. Almost all of the men I dated would have been dismissed as bloopie beta simp oofy doofy by redpill men. In other words, don’t listen to men in the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:50 PM
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So you’re being asked to consider women who are fat and poor? Who’s making you do that? Incidentally, this weird incel math and aggrieved entitlement is super unattractive to women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:31 AM
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I wouldn’t. Find your group of nerds, get busy, have nerdy kids
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:28 AM
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Incels aren’t bullied enough to warrant their weird behavior. I am from a family of non-neurotypical nerds. None of us are like that despite all of us having been bullied
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:10 AM
1

And if all the women are chasing very few men, then that would suggest that the rest of them have no chance at all
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:09 AM
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It’s not an apt metaphor because fish are passive. People deciding to date are making a mutual choice. Hey, you’re the expert. I’m just the happily married woman
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:01 AM
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I find that quiet people are often the funniest, because they wait until they have something really funny to say
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 02:00 AM
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So women should just pity fuck them so we can tell the women that they should have chosen better when they get abused? The Phantom of The Opera is pitiful, but ultimately, he’s a villain. Merely being pathetic is not enough to redeem someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:59 AM
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I married an introvert. I have always dated quiet guys because I’m not quiet
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:48 AM
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Having trouble socializing and having anxiety is something that you can get over through practice and/or therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:47 AM
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If women will only date Chad and you’re not Chad, then how are you being asked to date down? And what’s down in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:43 AM
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A person who dates you selects you back. Who’s telling you to date down?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:29 AM
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This is a good question. You don’t change it as much as you cultivate it. Get as many new experiences and read as many books as you can. Learn things. Develop passions. Be a person who can talk about things
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:23 AM
4

This is fetish content
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:52 PM
5

Women are not prey. It’s more like you’re asking how to get a job from people who don’t have jobs instead of asking interviewers
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:51 PM
0

I don’t think hookup culture is any more prevalent than it has been for the last 40 years. Women generally don’t like it, which is why men so greatly outnumber women on dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:13 PM
1

Or maybe we should wait to commit until we find someone we like
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:16 PM
2

That’s awful. Luckily we’re moving towards a world where people aren’t forced to be together with someone in order to function socially
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 07:03 PM
5

I feel like this is a good place to mention that when I was coming of age, there was a lot of media about how career-minded women were losing their best chances to have husbands and babies. Women were pressured then to change their behavior. Nobody ever expected anyone to empathize with the cat ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:38 PM
6

I can’t help but notice that doing it your way isn’t netting a lot of dividends. In general, when I want something I don’t have, I look for advice from people who have what I want. I don’t look for advice from people with don’t have what I want and tell me that people who have what I want are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:12 PM
1

The only empathy I have is for people who seek out people they actually like. It sounds like the strategy of just finding a person who’s willing to barely tolerate you because it’s better than being alone is no longer working for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:40 PM
1

That’s sad. My husband is my best friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:34 PM
4

So it works that you get a woman you have nothing in common with that you don’t like very much?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:49 PM
9

Young people, even competent young people, often have a lot of false starts with relationships before they find someone serious. People are not fungible and compatibility is a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:10 PM
1

It’s not oppressive. You don’t have the right to someone else’s body. The likelihood that some woman wanted you for a relationship but had lots of casual sex with other people is highly unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:26 PM
1

You said that women choosing not to sleep with you outside of a relationship was oppressive because they are free to sleep with other men. Demonstrate that a woman who wanted a relationship with you has had casual sex with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:00 PM
1

So women owe it to you to be immediately sexually available because you want them, and their autonomy to choose their own sexual partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:08 PM
1

Some men don’t have to be those things with some women. Why do you find it oppressive to actually have a connection with another human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:49 PM
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So women are both hypergamous gold diggers and dating jobless thugs
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:08 PM
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You could clean up after yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:55 PM
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What percentage of women are dating Chris Brown? Get out of your algorithm and meet people
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:51 PM
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I cook for my family because I’m a good cook. My husband does laundry because I teach and work outside of the house, but he works from home 80% of the time. There’s nothing inherently feminine about chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:34 PM
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And no matter what, you can always call them one or the other
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:08 PM
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If any post typified how much women get blamed no matter what choice they make. Newsflash: domestic violence rates are going down as women gain autonomy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:56 PM
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Because bad faith arguments all contradict themselves. These guys imagine someone who gets to treat women the way they want to, because they don’t get near women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:49 PM
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Chad is the incel’s proxy abuser fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:31 PM
7

That’s just being supportive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:52 AM
8

So you want to remove women’s autonomy and ability to live without you because you think it’s your only shot at getting laid? Because being better than a cat and a glass of wine is too high a bar for you to clear?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:41 AM
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Desire and dependence are not the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:07 AM
8

Because you’re arguing against independence
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:36 AM
14

Okay but redpill specifically tells men to take as much as they can get from women while giving as little as possible. No woman is desperate enough to take that deal. You guys want women to do things for you but you don’t want to do anything for anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:25 AM
7

My husband and I have become very interdependent over the years, but we got together because we wanted to, not because men or women can’t function without the other
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:26 AM
21

Independence is better than abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:25 AM
1

Or, maybe, they are beginning to choose the better guys who aren’t assholes because humans are social and wanting to keep company with someone else is normal
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:54 AM
1

And they don’t even want to have sex that’s good for women. That’s too much work. They want to use women and discard them. What’s in that for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:32 AM
2

We tell women that their wedding is the most important day of their lives and tell men that it’s the day their life ends. Men are conditioned to treat women as a source of sex and servitude that you grit your teeth and put up with because if you can successfully hide how annoying you find her, maybe she’ll cook you dinner and let you have sex with her. Of course, you won’t do what it takes to give her an orgasm even if she draws you a map, and you’ll think that having sex with you lowers her val…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:02 AM
1

Women are achieving more now. Be better and keep up. When my grandmother got married, there were major state universities that didn’t even admit women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:57 PM
3

Nope. It starts with entitlement and misogyny. Women are no longer desperate enough to need a man regardless of how he treats her, and men can’t deal with it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:04 PM
9

Okay. We’ll just get all the college degrees and buy all the houses while you play video games
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:47 PM
0

No. I’m a nerd, and I find non-nerds boring
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:32 PM
28

There’s an actual political movement in the USA trying to convince women that it’s unfeminine to vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:54 PM
21

Men already don’t care about women’s problems. You’re here throwing a temper tantrum because nobody wants to date you, but what have you ever done to make women’s lives better?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:53 PM
2

I’ve been married for 21 years and am old enough to be your mother. But now I don’t even want you to meet anyone I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:45 PM
5

I don’t owe niceness to someone who says he hates me before he even knows me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:26 PM
4

Incidentally, I have set up single friends whom I believed to be single through no fault of their own. I don’t believe everyone is single because they deserve it. But if you’re angry and bitter, that’s a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:11 PM
5

Holding people in contempt because you think they owe it to you to like you or to have any opinion of you is weird. It’s not surprising that you have trouble making connections
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:09 PM
7

Random strangers don’t hate you. They don’t think about you much at all
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:40 PM
9

You aren’t going to hate people into liking you. If nobody whom you hate likes you, that seems fair to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:07 PM
8

If that’s a non-negotiable for you, I have no sympathy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:02 PM
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So you think women are insipid and vapid?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:12 AM
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This post is just dripping with contempt for women. Maybe stop hating women so much and one might like you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:10 AM
11

Don’t you guys make fun of women who are lonely with cats?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:08 AM
9

The OP literally said that though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:06 AM
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If that were true, do you think women would find it fulfilling? Having sex with guys who find you physically unattractive but want to use your body?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:05 AM
1

About 30% of married women out earn their husbands
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:34 AM
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No. Any man who does this to other men is eventually going to do it to you. I don’t find bullying attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:45 PM
6

Feminism obviates the need for hypergamy. It’s normal among educated people for women to make more than men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:42 AM
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Outside of your manosphere influencer TikTok algorithm, I’m not sure there are
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:15 AM
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If a guy can’t even bother to get you off, how is it validating?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:06 AM
10

Okay but what’s in that for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:24 PM
6

Right. So there’s no value to women having casual sex at all, especially if men don’t even think it’s worth the trouble to bring us to orgasm
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:24 PM
2

I find casual sex distasteful though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:10 PM
8

But they don’t believe men’s value diminishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:09 PM
24

Oh, so we’re supposed to be both virginal and immediately sexually available?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:20 PM
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Because men tell us that our value diminishes when we have casual sex. Also women who have casual sex often have partners who don’t care if they have an orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:26 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:58 PM
2

You consider women who don’t have sex outside of marriage to be good, but you consider men who have sex with prostitutes to be brave
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:54 PM
1

lol sure you are
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:52 PM
2

I mean, I get that you need to put down people to feel accomplished. Are you afraid of college degrees and having a remunerative career?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:31 PM
1

So you think you know my husband more than I do
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:23 PM
2

Sorry, but you just told me that you’re a druggie who has sex with prostitutes. My husband is neither of those things. I don’t understand why you think I should value your opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:18 PM
1

Being afraid to try drugs is reasonable, though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:17 PM
1

They typically are, through all fault of their own
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:59 PM
16

Most women are uncaring people? You sound really entitled and angry
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:58 PM
5

Read “Girls and Sex” and “Boys and Sex.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:19 PM
10

You think it’s not evil to not care if you hurt people?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:18 PM
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It sounds like you think women are duplicitous and evil
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:34 PM
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People can find relationships if they want them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:11 PM
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According to actual scholarship on this subject (I could tell you to read Peggy Orenstein but she’s a woman so you won’t) the real answer is the opposite. Men looking to hook up don’t care about their partners’ pleasure. Women are pressured to hook up to be what men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:58 PM
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Social media is not a perfect macrocosm of the world. It’s based on algorithms.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:55 PM
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I think relationships built on mutual affection rather than desperation are probably stronger
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:45 PM
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Okay good for you. Your social ineptitude doesn’t harm me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:47 PM
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Maybe you need to get out of your algorithm and meet real people
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:42 PM
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My experience is that effort matters more than money. I know a couple where she is a doctor and he’s got an undergraduate in physics and makes violins as a hobby. They met when he was working as a phlebotomist in a hospital and stayed home with the kids when they were little. I know another couple where he stayed home with the kids and she’s a lawyer. I know a third couple where she works in finance and he’s got a PhD and works for peanuts as a professor of economics at a small university.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:42 PM
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Until relatively recently, women were actively discouraged from higher education and barred from many colleges
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:37 PM
1

Women don’t struggle with comedy though. I find women very funny. Ali Wong, Taylor Tomlinson, Michelle Wolf, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:22 PM
1

How? You literally just have to pay them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:21 PM
1

I think your problems are your own fault. I’m a nerdy woman who married a nerdy man, and we’re happy. This isn’t about only the popular kids getting dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:20 PM
2

My husband specifically likes me because he thinks I’m funny
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:19 PM
2

I love to laugh, and I point out funny things all the time. It’s not a performance of him for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:18 PM
2

You seem very angry that I would like the man I married and that he would like me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:17 PM
0

I can see why you need so much empathy for women not wanting you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:23 AM
1

It’s not a dodge at all. If you engage with reality outside of the online manosphere, you will see that I am right
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:02 AM
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Because the unfortunate truth is that being weird and bitter makes people avoid you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:56 AM
2

Not being fuckable is not tantamount to rape or abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:55 AM
1

Nobody here has said anything that attempts to make women sound virtuous, or even anything that is not gender neutral. And this isn’t about competition because it’s about compatibility
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:14 PM
2

This is so weird and bitter
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:36 PM
3

Let it happen organically. Socialize a lot, with your friends and with their friends. Maximize your chances of meeting someone. Think hard about what you like about specific people. Don’t ask out a boring person because she’s female and in front of you. Wait to see who you vibe with
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:35 PM
1

Okay then don’t sleep with someone you dislike
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:11 PM
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As long as he remained monogamous and I was part of his sexual orientation, I wouldn’t care
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 08:13 PM
2

You refer to women as a caste. That’s very normal. I married a nice guy. Bitter guys like you call him an oofy doofy beta simp because I like him for his personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:55 PM
1

You obviously don’t like her because you think she’s being unreasonable and expecting too much
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:47 PM
1

Women ignoring you are not victimizing you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:45 PM
3

I’m not being mean. I’m being honest. You appear to derive joy from cruelty
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:44 PM
4

Are you not talking about red flags?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:34 PM
2

Maybe she doesn’t like you. And you obviously don’t like her, so why are you trying to have sex with people you dislike?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:32 PM
0

I’m here to give you some much needed truths about how your life is a product of your choices. You’re not a victim
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:32 PM
3

What’s fun about being mean to strangers, and how does this indicate that you have a good personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:06 PM
5

That’s an objectively shitty thing to say to someone you don’t know, and you were looking to provoke an annoyed response. This doesn’t sound like the comment of a person with a winning personality
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:05 PM
3

Do you think being mean to strangers who haven’t done anything personal to you is a healthy response?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:03 PM
6

Okay, but if it bothers me, why should I ignore it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:58 PM
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Do you feel attacked? I feel like I’m challenging unhappy people to change things about themselves that are causing their unhappiness
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:51 PM
0

Ew
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:50 PM
2

I feel like this is a good place to mention that in Ancient Greece, women were so looked down upon by men that liking women was seen as weakness. Having sex with men was considered more manly than having sex with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:50 PM
1

Simping, as in being a likeable person whom women like
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:48 PM
-2

If you think being likeable to women oppressive, I’m sorry you have to put up with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:36 PM
-1

She’s just repeating manosphere talking points. She thinks they’re nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:35 PM
2

Trump has dozens of women who accuse him of sexual abuse but didn’t come forward initially because they assumed he was too powerful to take down (and sadly they were right). Epstein groomed girls who came from messed up backgrounds and offered them parties and drugs. Kim Kardashian was born into wealth and has more money than any man she’s dated. None of your examples prove your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:10 PM
1

It’s how most normal people’s attraction works
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:06 PM
2

She’s literally talking about men complaining that the women they date expect them to be likeable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:06 PM
3

My husband and I laugh together every day. He’s smart and funny, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:05 PM
8

And why should I accept a person who drives aggressively or abused service staff because they do it openly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:04 PM
2

If someone is bored and disinterested, she doesn’t like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:42 PM
4

So men being funny to women is oppression of men. Men don’t enjoy joking with women like they do with other men, and if they do, it’s beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:27 PM
1

The post was assuming redpill argues in good faith, and reductio ad absurduming the hell out of them to show that they don’t argue in good faith. The real argument is that redpill think it’s unfair that women don’t want to fuck you if you openly act like you hate them, and pretending to like them long enough to have sex with them is too hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:11 PM
5

It’s literally a redpill talking point. They call it “jestering.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:00 PM
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You contradict yourself. Are women supposed to ignore their non-negotiables? Or are abusers so stealthy that they can maneuver around them? You just disproved the whole “choose better” argument
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:59 PM
0

You didn’t read the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:57 PM
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You’re ridiculing her stance that the manosphere term “jestering” is super fucking weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:48 PM
2

I agree with this, but I also don’t think that most people who go on app dates know each other very well. Testing out if you vibe with someone is a thing, and merely being nice isn’t enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:47 PM
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She’s right, though. You guys are weird, as evidenced by your lack of success with women. If you think it’s inherently beta to have a human connection with a person you date and sleep with, there’s nothing that will bring you success until you change literally everything about that mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:46 PM
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They have this pornsick fantasy that women just walk up to handsome men and take their clothes off
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:44 PM
0

I have a genius level IQ. It wasn’t hard for me to find a man to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:40 PM
3

Okay great for you. You have obviously won.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:28 PM
2

I’m not offended. Let them enjoy their loneliness epidemic. Women are doing fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:16 PM
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I’m married, and I find men who are so socially inept that they can’t get someone to fuck them for free to be laughable and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:07 PM
3

If a person wants to be truly desired, why do they find niceness and being interesting or funny to be performative?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:05 PM
2

Literally you said that redpill terminology, which she used correctly, only sounds weird to bluepill people. Is it correct or is it a strawman?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:04 PM
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Exactly, some bloopie who’s living a normal life and having normal interactions is definitely not someone we want to listen to. Only take advice from people who are alone and angry and speaking in weird incel code. They know what’s up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:02 PM
2

Good for you. The only problem is that you want women to be upset by this like we somehow missed out on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:58 PM
5

Seriously. Performing niceness shouldn’t be difficult if you are a nice person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:57 PM
4

She didn’t invent the term “jestering.” That’s something that you guys talk about. Calling out how stupid it is is valid
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:56 PM
1

Except women are now the majority of graduates in accounting, pediatrics, veterinary medicine, law, optometry, and dentistry. It’s literally a choice for society to decide that the job of f an x ray tech is less valuable than the job of an HVAC tech. They require the same amount of training and the training is about equal difficulty. One pays well and the other doesn’t, despite the fact that both are essential jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:30 PM
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Oh, I married one who doesn’t think that way, and you guys call him a bloopie beta simp oofy doofy white knight
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:35 PM
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Because they literally say it all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:11 PM
1

The claim that the two are unrelated, rocket scientist
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:52 PM
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No, because those same men tell me that my value as a human being is diminished by having sex with men
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:45 PM
1

Hypergamy is so squishy and can literally be molded into anything. The fact is that you want women to be blamed, both for choosing good men and for not choosing good men. No matter what women do, it’s wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:10 PM
6

Men work more hours because women are taking care of children. More and more industries are seeing women make inroads
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:13 PM
8

Are you suggesting they’re not working?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:53 PM
3

How do labor statistics prove your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:34 PM
3

More women than men are graduating in accounting, pediatric medicine, dentistry, optometry, veterinary medicine, and law than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:34 PM
4

Do you think women don’t work?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:39 PM
6

You’re explaining what one specific woman meant
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:38 PM
4

How? All you said was that young girls were so much more pleasant to be around because men hadn’t damaged them yet
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:32 PM
9

You should have chosen better
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:31 PM
11

Most women want to work and have an equal partner
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:22 PM
3

So your only interest in abuse towards women is how it damages them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:17 PM
1

You guys say women are obsessed with looks, money, and status. My sister is like that and ended up divorced. I married a nerdy nice guy whom you say I’m destined to have a dead bedroom with and we’ve been married for 21 years and definitely don’t have a dead bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:05 PM
5

This is gymnastics level of stretching. You’re trying to make it an insult that I ended up with a great guy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:11 AM
1

He said, citing no evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:09 AM
5

Attractive in what way? He’s smart, funny, kind, and cute. Of course I couldn’t do better because he’s literally the best. I thought you said women do better when they act better. I must have acted really well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:54 PM
7

Not my problem that they purposefully give themselves terrible lives
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:53 PM
7

That’s a really great strawman. I attracted a better man. Guys like you call him a bloopie beta simp white knight
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:50 PM
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Most men are not redpill. This is really for the guys who think relationships are about getting as much out of the their partner as possible while giving as little as possible
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:49 PM
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Typically being used when an unwanted reject makes misogynistic comments
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:00 PM
2

What doesn’t sound ideal? Good looking, rich, high status…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 09:32 PM
1

How am I displaying that I am not judging people for the content of their character? I can disagree with you and not be a bad person. Again, I’m a short nerd married to a short nerd. I don’t want my life to be any different
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:45 PM
1

There is no middle ground. You’re either in the cult or out of it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:42 PM
2

Or maybe you need to go outside
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:47 PM
3

You guys literally tell us that personality means nothing and women only care about looks and status. When we marry a short guy who doesn’t sit at the cool lunch table, we’re just settling and are going to leave our husband with a dead bedroom (I don’t have a dead bedroom btw)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:17 PM
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My sister married a hot, rich asshole. He belittled her until she divorced him and took half his money. I married a less glamorous smart and funny guy. We’re still going strong. For the record, my comment is getting downvoted despite being exactly what redpill guys say that women should do but don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:35 AM
1

Because society pressures women to marry
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:15 PM
8

Heads I win, tails you lose. The result of all manosphere rationalization
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:20 AM
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That’s a lot of government money to spend on something that rarely happens
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:41 AM
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So a husband who doesn’t shit test his wife is cheating or insecure?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:31 AM
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That would really suck. So glad I married a bloopie beta simp who doesn’t make me do stuff like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:07 AM
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If there were a credible reason to believe that, that would be something different entirely. We roomed in with our babies and had no reason to doubt that they were ours
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:06 AM
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No, because I never cheated, and I would have been offended if my husband made me take a DNA test
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:50 AM
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I will what? My husband is a good guy and never suspected me of cheating. I never suspected him of cheating either
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:30 AM
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You’re * I would be offended that my husband was insinuating that he believed I cheated
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:28 AM
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I probably would freeze him out and cry myself to sleep every night. You know guys who complain about dead bedrooms? His would have died that day. BTW, we’re married 21 years and together for 22, and we still have a healthy sex life. A lot of that has to do with the fact that he never pulled bullshit like you describe
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:27 AM
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It sounds like you’re fantasizing about hurting women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:25 AM
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Why would you assume she cheated? Again, insinuating that there is doubt about a child’s paternity is an insult
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:24 AM
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Other men can want me, but cheating is an action, not a feeling. Suspecting that I made the decision to have sex with someone else and lie to him about it when I didn’t would have hurt me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:23 AM
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I would have been hurt that he didn’t trust me. It might have eventually ruined our marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:21 AM
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It’s so far removed from my current reality, I mean, my kids are 19 and 17 and my husband has never suspected that they weren’t his
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:07 AM
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I never cheated and I would be offended if my husband asked me for a DNA test
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:02 AM
5

In fact I am
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:32 PM
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Not really, but I am a living, breathing example to the contrary of the absolute statements you’re making
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:14 PM
8

The understatement of the year
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:12 PM
4

Interesting. My husband cries in front of me and we just celebrated our 21st anniversary of marriage, 22 years together as a couple. We’re really in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:12 PM
6

Men say this about women because other men tell them that it happens, but I don’t actually see it happening
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:35 PM
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If I were legally mandated to do anything sexual with men, I would be celibate or date women. Why do you want to legally override women’s consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:34 PM
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I have two children and I love my kids, but having kids is hard and tiring. If you don’t feel that way, your partner was doing all the work. By 4, kids are consistently sleeping through the night and can do some things independently (go to the bathroom unassisted, get a snack from the pantry, etc.) I wasn’t talking about personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:56 PM
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I can. Maybe you just don’t pay attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:24 PM
2

You have to watch it. It’s just as good.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:03 PM
5

When Michelle Wolf makes jokes about her period, is that sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:00 PM
8

It is? My current favorite shows are Severance and Long Story Short, and the last book I read was Laura Shapiro’s biography of Julia Child. This summer I am going to see Roger Clyne and J. Roddy Walston in concert.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:56 PM
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So women are to blame for being raped and abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:35 PM
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My husband is the type that redpill guys call a beta simp because he helped care for his own children. We just celebrated 21 years of marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:34 PM
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Totally. My husband was understanding. Things got better after the kids got big enough to consistently sleep through the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:09 PM
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So you blame women for being raped and abused, because you believe rape and abuse damages women for “good” men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:01 PM
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Babies are exhausting and take all your time and energy. Things get a lot easier when your youngest child turns 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:56 PM
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I don’t think my husband is superior to me and I like having sex with him
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:55 AM
1

Enjoy life on easy mode
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:19 AM
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Certainly not me. Women typically weren’t “traditional” either, though. The era of the housewife was very short for most women if it even existed at all. Pre-industrial era, women typically worked closer to home, but most women worked constantly at subsistence labor like making clothes, making soap, even making pottery to make food in if you go back far enough. Before cast iron wood stoves existed, they worked at an open hearth that was both cook fire and heating fire, and they had to keep it bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:08 AM
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This is yet another whiny rationalization by men about how it’s unfair for women to have choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:03 AM
1

You guys already demand we pay half right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:39 AM
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Sorry, I read it as “neener neener we won’t PROTECT AND PROVIDE ANYMORE”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:38 AM
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Men still own ad agencies. They also still write for media outlets. There’s nothing stopping men from creating male-centric body positivity content. Redpill and manosphere content is typically not body positive for men, and mainstream media often depicts average men married to gorgeous women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:29 AM
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Sounds like you’re trying to take revenge on women who want to have jobs. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:26 AM
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Typically women who earn their own money are less demanding of men to provide. The fact that you think feminist women want men to pay their bills shows that you don’t associate much with women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:40 PM
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The fact that you are looking for a culture where women have no sense of self outside of men is kind of sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:21 PM
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I doubt they didn’t expect money. There’s nothing in it for them to sleep with a foreigner for nothing in return
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:18 PM
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Your goal is to hook up with sex workers in poor countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:17 PM
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Yes, because women from foreign countries often are dependent on their spouses for legal status, money, etc., and come from countries where women are stigmatized for divorce. Marry a foreign woman if you want, but don’t harbor illusions that their love is inherently purer. I’m already married, so your fantasy about me sobbing in my wine, surrounded by cats won’t really affect me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:15 PM
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I lived abroad and saw some pretty ratchet-looking guys being used for their money by opportunistic women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:58 PM
2

Do you think that a person only has the capacity to care for one person at a time?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:57 PM
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And do you think that women who have children don’t care about your well-being? Or that women without children don’t care for their own?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:51 PM
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Claimed by everyone who is not delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:49 PM
2

You think women only want men who consider them inferior?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:48 PM
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They’re interested in your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:47 PM
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My guess is that you probably don’t have a lot of experience if you think that good sex involves the man wanting it more than the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:42 PM
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So you want a woman not to think about herself and only to think of you. How do you intend to take care of her?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:40 PM
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And a woman who doesn’t have a kid has no consideration for herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:23 PM
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Very few women want to stay at home and not work for pay during their entire adult lives
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:15 PM
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Maybe this is projection, that you want to have sex with a woman you see as inferior to yourself. My husband is a great guy, but I definitely don’t see him as inherently superior to me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:13 PM
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You guys specifically talk about how only betas have money enough to attract women and then you say that you’re going abroad to find some extremely young woman in a village in Cambodia to marry you. Why do you think she would be interested in you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:09 PM
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You think only losers get divorced?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:52 PM
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If you’re a distant third and the kid is first, who’s second?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:35 PM
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Literally redpill sees relationships as a zero sum game, where men only want sex and women only want provision and commitment. Most normal people think that two people together can be much happier than they are apart
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:13 AM
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But you have already said that all possible choices are narcissistic and entitled. All of them escape accountability. What is a correct path where you won’t look down on women for taking it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:52 PM
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Interesting. Do you work in trades? Do you have a degree in anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:47 PM
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My thoughts exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:53 PM
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No, any man can be good at sex if he wants to and is willing to listen. You are just so committed to hating women that you would rather be bad at sex
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:48 PM
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Why do you think it’s an aspirational goal to keep a bad man? Better to let him go. I am specifically talking about men who say women need to take accountability for their own rape and abuse . Cheating and lying to someone is also abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:39 PM
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We don’t. Men tell me they do this for women, though
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:38 PM
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Did redpill podcasters tell you that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:58 AM
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Confident women are called bossy. It’s not merely a lack of capability. This is all social conditioning
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:57 AM
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Who are these women that you hang out with? Because I have met a few women who are with losers, and their friends typically tell them to dump the guy. I have never seen a woman say she stays with an abuser because he’s good in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:10 PM
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Feminists don’t like victim blaming abused women. This post isn’t really about that. It’s about men claiming they don’t care about women’s personalities and will have sex with women they dislike
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:08 PM
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Holy delusion, too
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:55 PM
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Except you don’t know that. You have decided that because you want women to be wrong and vilified. I could tell you the truth, that my husband and I don’t have sex as often as we used to, mostly because we have busy lives and we’re often tired, but we still have sex regularly. And it isn’t something I give him, but something we do together because we like sex and we like each other. But you’ll just tell me that I’m lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:55 PM
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Sure, but when we do choose better, you accuse them of being beta simps and claim we’re settling
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:17 PM
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So it sounds like no matter what women do, you find fault with it. If they date a tall, handsome guy, it’s hypergamy, and if they date a short, less handsome guy, they’re settling. Both choices are wrong. What choice would be correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:17 PM
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And I will tell you that this is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:46 AM
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You think that one can be easily exchanged for another with no distinguishable difference between them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:30 AM
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That’s only if you assume men are fungible, which they are not
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:16 AM
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He believes that all women have the same wildly unfair standards, except the women who are exceptions and therefore don’t count
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:13 AM
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Is Bill Gates the top 20% in attractiveness because he has money? Do you think there’s an objective scale where you can slush all men’s redeeming qualities together, and women will objectively prioritize the exact same men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:08 AM
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I’m chronically online. Most women don’t use the word hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:06 AM
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You claim that hypergamy is about money, but also about looks. Traditionally, the term used by anthropologists was used to describe how women’s only means of improving their lives was through marrying well. Especially pretty or witty or talented women might actually have a shot at class mobility if they could secure a good match and stay married. These days, the manosphere uses hypergamy in a totally different way, claiming that women who have the most autonomy and the most independence are the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:05 AM
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Yes because redpill is weird and misogynistic. Why wouldn’t we reject it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:58 PM
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What is your argument? You keep contradicting yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:54 PM
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Top 20% in what respect? Top 20% in money is not the top 20% in looks is not the top 20% in brains, etc. And if you claim we only date the top 20% in all three, that’s a lot less than 20%. My IQ is in the 99.7th percentile. I wanted a guy who is really smart. I got him. Different women want different things. My husband is short and not fit, but he’s brilliant and hilarious and loves to learn things with me. You seem angry that women should want men with any redeeming qualities at all. Like we’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:51 PM
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The 80/20 rule is easy to disprove. More than 20% of men are in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:41 PM
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I thought hypergamy was about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:40 PM
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This sounds like an elaborate rationalization about why women’s ability to choose freely is somehow unfair
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:39 PM
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I’m so confused. I thought that Hypergamy wasn’t about money, that it was only about getting Chad. Money is betabuxx. Women only date thugs and should choose better. But seriously, you can’t make someone want you who doesn’t want you. If they’re too superficial, move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:03 PM
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I’m married to a nice guy, I deserve better than a guy who would use me. Edit: weirdly, I have been downvoted for this comment, which means that redpill men object to the idea of a woman marrying a nice guy or believing that she deserves to be treated well
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:01 PM
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Except when PUA/manosphere literature suggests that you should lead women on and make them think that you want a relationship when you don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:56 PM
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Nobody thinks you’re not entitled to have requirements. At the same time, a fat woman walking down the street isn’t asking for your opinion on her right to exist
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:54 PM
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Entitled to what? Everyone is entitled to refuse sex. Nobody is entitled to someone else’s body. You guys see women making the choice to refuse men who want them and call that entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:52 PM
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It’s fine with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:12 PM
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Yes. Women need to center themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:50 PM
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Why should women want men who think they only need to look good but don’t care if women have orgasms? Still sounds like they’re centering themselves, looking for a woman to use and discard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:42 PM
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Men already decenter women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:26 PM
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But you put yourself first and expect a woman to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:25 PM
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I am the most special person in my own life. I need to act on my own motivations. It’s hilarious, because you probably salivate over the works of Ayn Rand, but you get offended by a woman acting in her own interests. In your mind, women are mere satellites that orbit men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:46 PM
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OP says he’s having a relationship with her
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:16 PM
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Not the same thing. I could explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:13 PM
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In my own life, yes. It’s not wrong for me to put my own interests first.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:03 PM
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If women are having relationships, who are they having them with? And why do you care if a woman you’re not attracted to is dating someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:46 PM
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If you have an agreement to be monogamous, you are owed monogamy. She’s giving up her opportunities to sleep with other people as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:39 PM
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In fact, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:38 PM
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So do you cheat on your wife? Because cheating is abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:06 PM
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They will literally never understand this and believe that your situation should be tenuous. If it’s not, they will call your husband a beta simp for being faithful
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:05 PM
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Is this something you have experienced personally? Or is it something that you heard from a podcaster who has also not experienced it personally? Because this sounds like a fantasy of taking revenge on a fictional woman who doesn’t give you what you think you’re owed
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:03 PM
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And most of them would rather talk about golfing or the expensive theater or sportsball, they recently went to, or their recent trip to Aruba than talk about their jobs all day
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:31 AM
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Ugh. Kill me now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:14 PM
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Except a lot of women are just doing. They’re supporting themselves living single with their cats, and men are angry about it
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:17 PM
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No, it’s more that they put their own interests first. Like not giving up on their dream job because it requires relocation or their boyfriend doesn’t want them out-earning
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:53 PM
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This is wrong, because what makes people interesting is the things they like to do. Money is not a personality. How do you even have a conversation with someone who has no interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:50 PM
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Decentering men is not rejecting men, because men already center themselves. It’s just telling women to put their own lives first
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:09 PM
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Why is it sexist for women to be the main character of their own stories?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:01 PM
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If you can’t figure out what’s likeable about someone, don’t date them
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:01 PM
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The likelihood is that he posted on a feminist subreddit and got his posts deleted because they were off topic
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:02 PM
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Seriously, you have a lot more issues than merely not getting a date in high school
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:56 PM
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Stop the crab bucket nonsense. He’s not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:23 PM
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Capitalism already underscores how much women’s labor was devalued
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:22 AM
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Yeah, no. Let’s go back, because it’s clear that you haven’t studied economics. The original capitalists saw no value in work done directly from the benefit of family. It’s much the same way that men online claim that men “created civilization” while women sat around and benefited from it, while presumably doing essential but not valued work like keeping the fires tended, making food and often making the cookpots it came in, making and laundering clothing, caring for infants, etc. Feminists now …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:53 PM
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No. Men should work with women instead of against them because women are capable of doing what men can do. If they don’t, they have only themselves to blame. My husband is an engineer, and the majority of young people coming into the company are women. All of the entry level engineers working under him are women. Our daughter wants to be an engineer. Maybe men can start treating women like they’re not parasites drawing on men’s resources and learn how to operate a vacuum cleaner
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:49 PM
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And thus the essential work done by women was assigned a value of zero. This is literally the definition of the word devalued.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:40 PM
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The real reason is that we basically conquered child mortality in the first half of the twentieth century, and it resulted in a massive population explosion. We’re currently self-correcting through the availability of birth control
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:26 PM
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If women’s work was never devalued, why did early capitalists say that women didn’t create capital? The act of cooking, cleaning, turning fabric into clothing for a family, etc., was seen as having no capital value despite the fact that it was essential
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 10:24 PM
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Yes, because women can get pregnant. I believe that the person who can get pregnant has their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:01 PM
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Feminism opposes misogyny, including redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:50 PM
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Men don’t get pregnant. If you have a child, you are legally obligated to contribute financially. If you don’t want to support a child, don’t have a child. If you don’t trust a hookup not to compel you to support a child, don’t have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:49 PM
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Cis men can’t get pregnant. You don’t have rights to other people’s bodies
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:23 PM
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Incels are obsessed with teen sex because a lot of them are pedophiles who feel like they missed out on sex with teenagers when it was legal for them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:22 PM
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If you’re a virgin at 19, that doesn’t mean you will die a virgin. That’s just ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:20 PM
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I feel like you are stating the obvious to people arguing in bad faith. The same people arguing for paper abortion would likely threaten women with those AI pictures of Elon Musk with the sex robots with artificial wombs. The goal is to fantasize about punishing women. There’s nothing else that they ever want that shows any coherent philosophy
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:03 AM
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If you’re still a teenager, you don’t get to cry that you are forever alone. You’re not old enough to claim to be forever anything
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:34 AM
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I don’t need a guy to be a fashion plate or a gym rat either. I just want someone who can dress appropriately for the occasion and who moves around enough that it doesn’t limit them (barring physical disability, obviously). I do write off most guys for being boring, though. I like smart, interesting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:12 PM
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Oh, I have a degree in chemistry and another in art history. Good for you for studying “tech.” If you have access to a university education, you are already doing better than 99.9% of men who have come of age in the last millennium since universities were founded.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:56 PM
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Women used to put up with mediocre or bad men because society did not allow women to live on their own
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:00 AM
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Women don’t need men to survive. It’s the autonomy, not the social media. Also, if singles events are mostly women, that directly contradicts your hypothesis that all women are getting snapped up while men languish unloved.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:08 PM
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Attraction doesn’t fade between people who like each other. My husband and I are a lot less hot at 47 and 50 (I robbed the cradle) than we were at 25 and 28. We’re still into each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:19 PM
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Do you have access to a university education?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:26 PM
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That was very eloquent. I just find it amusing that they associate feminism with the kind of relationship where women ration sex in exchange for material goods. Feminism acknowledges that women like to have sex, too, and we do it with guys who do sexy stuff like doing the laundry
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:14 AM
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Your sexual fantasies about me and my husband are really weird. We actually like being together. That’s why we’ve been together so long
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:11 AM
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You didn’t. Threatening me with a lonely life is rather toothless, however, especially if you’re alone and rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:50 PM
6

How are my views misandrist? I make it very clear that I object to the manosphere, not to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:09 PM
4

Be careful, they’re going to call you a beta simp white knight
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:06 PM
2

I don’t dislike the one I married
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:05 PM
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Um, please don’t tell on yourself like this
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:55 PM
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Women are more than half the college graduates in law, pediatrics, dentistry, optometry, veterinary medicine, accounting, etc. do you believe that none of them got there on their own merit?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:54 PM
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Why do you assume liberal women manipulate men with sex? Typically, liberal women have sex because they like sex and aren’t embarrassed by having sexuality. How are liberal women entitled? Also, do you fantasize about denying your wife money if she doesn’t want to have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:45 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:33 PM
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I don’t believe alpha and beta are real. I have had multiple angry manosphere cultists tell me that my husband is a beta simp, because he shares money, does chores, and cares if I have an orgasm, unlike Clavicular. It’s not bullying to ask an adult to do adult chores for his home
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:31 PM
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I have a similar life with a guy that I have been married to for almost 21 years, and I’m with him because I want to be, not because I need him to survive
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:08 PM
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You seem very angry for someone who doesn’t care. How is he experiencing suffering and servitude? It feels like you want to tell women that men don’t actually care about them and that men are going to use women in ways that diminish women’s value, but the existence of loving husbands who do laundry ruins that for you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:16 PM
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No, it was from a couple of years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:13 PM
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I love that she is literally the only person pointing out that high-profile incel murderers might be monsters, but none of them are actually ugly. And that pretending they are ugly is actually blaming women for their actions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:09 PM
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Oh, I should care very much that some online angry virgin called my husband a beta
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:18 PM
1

I love Contrapoints
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:15 PM
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No, I haven’t watched hundreds of hours of grifter content. I just lived my life totally in contradiction to what redpill says I should. I went to college, traveled, got multiple degrees, and have a career. I slept with more than 3 men before I met my husband when I was 28. I am a poster child of what not to do in the manosphere as a woman. And my life is great. I am married to my best friend and loving life, raising two great teenagers in a nice house.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:14 PM
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You guys tell us all the time that we have no worth other than as maids and sex objects. Hard pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:01 PM
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Oh, my husband doesn’t treat me like a servant or tell me that his money is a reward, so I’m good. He also cares about whether I have an orgasm when we have sex, which Clavicular said he does not. You guys would call my husband a beta simp. I just call him a sweet guy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:59 PM
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I’m married. Are you married?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:53 PM
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I’ve been married for almost 21 years to a guy who never asked me what I brought to the table. If you treat this as a game of chicken, you’re going to lose
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:50 PM
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If she doesn’t, she gets cats, wine, and female friends. Sounds like a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:23 PM
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Ultimately, it’s better to be in a relationship that is not transactional. Like, if you have to ask someone what they bring to the table, you probably shouldn’t date them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:21 PM
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But women had less autonomy. Men began gaining rights in the 19th century. Women weren’t allowed to vote. Women were not allowed in universities for hundreds of years after men were. Women were not allowed to inherit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:18 PM
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Nothing about this is objective. Women were basically treated as men’s property for most of history
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:54 PM
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There’s also nothing wrong with shooting down a stranger’s advances because you aren’t attracted
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:30 PM
2

Is this that famous male rationality and intellectual superiority I hear about?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:20 PM
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None of this has been true for the majority of the last 200+ years in the developed world, and that’s not an argument against women’s equality
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:20 PM
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Men were the ones in power. Women are approaching equal power.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:20 PM
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I met my husband on a bus. I started the conversation. I was just passing the time and didn’t assume it was going to go anywhere until we started talking and I immediately felt like I had known him my entire life. I think that’s the difference. Approaching a stranger and asking them out because you think they are an attractive object is presumptuous. You can talk to a stranger in public, but you need to see if you vibe first before you ask them out
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:46 PM
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I literally don’t understand what you’re trying to communicate. Can you please proofread? I’m very happy in my marriage to a guy who’s not tall, not particularly physically fit, and not a billionaire (and works an office job as an engineer). You guys are the ones who tell me I shouldn’t be
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:12 PM
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The same men will tell women who say they prioritize personality that they’re marrying for betabuxx and you feel sorry for their husbands. The primary goal is to vilify women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:18 PM
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Serious contenders? Can you elaborate on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:07 PM
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It’s propaganda to keep men paying for premium content from manosphere influencers
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:06 PM
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Birth rates have plummeted because teenagers take birth control now. Also, the USA doesn’t make it easy for women to work and have kids,
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:41 AM
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I just can’t have sympathy for people who think women need people to be meaner to them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:34 AM
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Radicalized against what? Women having autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:21 PM
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Why would women be to blame that men are incapable of forming adult relationships and friendships? I thought you guys were supposed to be leaders and somehow you can’t master a skill that girls learn in preschool?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:47 PM
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There are things I have only told my husband
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:38 PM
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Most women know this
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:10 PM
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But Jason Momoa and Daniel Craig are no longer alpha, and thugs with no job can be alpha while men who are married and stable and holding political office are not alpha if they’re not hot. I have been explicitly told that alphas don’t commit, don’t pay child support, and don’t care if their partner has an orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:06 PM
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From what I understand about the manosphere, those traits are fluid. It can’t be merely money or looks, because the minute a hot celebrity wears pink or holds his own baby, he’s beta
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:45 PM
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You tell us both that we’re tyrants and also that you need direction to do anything, but also that you want to lead. Pick a lane.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:27 AM
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Obviously, but purple is still cult
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:01 PM
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You guys tell us that we’re supposed to give you lists and are now complaining when we do. Sounds like you want a servant
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:01 PM
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Okay, but you argue that cheating is a female behavior when women do it less than men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:52 PM
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Men are statistically more likely to cheat than women are
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:14 PM
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Right. Treating women as equals is the same as being subservient
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:51 PM
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Right. When men are nice to women, you consider it bad and harmful
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:04 PM
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Yes. Girls mature faster and tend to focus on schoolwork more. Why is this discrimination?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:06 PM
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you sound like you hate a lot of women and men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:51 AM
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How are men discriminated against?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:25 AM
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Yes. Women do chores because they need to be done. Submitting to men is stupid and is usually used as an excuse for demanding women do chores
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:44 PM
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Because men don’t typically avoid women who avoid them. A woman won’t hunt you down and then divorce you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:54 PM
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Then stay away
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:44 PM
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Rite, not right. Got citations to back that up?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:32 PM
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Not everyone likes casual sex. You said yourself that casual sex diminishes women’s value. Why would we want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:53 AM
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Not just sex workers. Mandated loving partners
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:32 AM
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The Netherlands might provide sex workers’ services. That’s not a partner. Women in the USA are the majority of college graduates in accounting, optometry, veterinary medicine, dentistry, pediatrics, and law. You think men would be getting laid more if women were working more oil rig jobs? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:29 AM
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Citations. Make claims, provide evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:26 AM
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Okay, you’re literally talking about compelling women to be with men. Do you think those women won’t resent men? Or do you just think the government should mandate that those women be raped? Everyone wants an attractive partner. Most people don’t prioritize physical attractiveness over other qualities. There is no evidence of this resentment, considering that divorce as a percentage of marriage is trending down. People aren’t getting married unless they really want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:24 AM
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People like having sex. Why are you so triggered by this? Women also like having sex, too, not just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:03 AM
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False. I am not married to a man like that. Ma friends are not married to men like that. My daughter is not dating a boy like that. Domestic abuse rates are trending down because women don’t have to put up with men like that. Didn’t you claim that you’re married with adult daughters? Do they date men like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:19 AM
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I am one of those people who provides free education to children, and I get paid for it. I wouldn’t do it for free, even though I love my job. You can argue that the government should subsidize prostitutes for lonely men, but you said yourself, the issue isn’t merely sex, but intimacy and connection. You can’t compel a person to love you and want to be with you. The women are still there. They haven’t all gone away. There is not a global woman shortage. The issue isn’t that men can’t get sex. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:59 AM
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In any terms. Does sex decrease women’s value? Does it have the same effect on men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:45 PM
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I don’t think you understand what that word means. Again, I’ve been with my husband almost 22 years and he’s my favorite person
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:46 PM
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You think that sex augments men’s value and diminishes women’s value. This creates a zero sum game. If you think this way about women, you will never have a healthy relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:40 PM
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I don’t think I have much baggage. I know why I dated those guys, and I know why I broke up with them. They taught me things about myself and what I need and value in a partner. This helped me know what was important and how when I met the man I would marry that he was the one
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:36 PM
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Do you think she lost value by increasing her body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:13 PM
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But it makes you look bad
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:56 PM
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This was what I witnessed in my sorority days. Those girls were looking for attention, not sex. Good girls like me were banging like bunny rabbits (and practicing safe sex) with our steady boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:14 PM
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You seem very defensive while making statements that you don’t actually back up. My husband made a huge point of not dating women he didn’t like. I was really impressed by this, when he told me he had been on a lot of first dates but had not called a lot of women for second dates, because he wasn’t into them. Women can find men who want something more than an attractive piece of meat, and we do. Men tell us that having sex lowers our value. Why would we waste our time with men who dislike us? In…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:11 PM
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Oh, I have been sexually active for more than 30 years and have had sex thousands of times. the best sex I have ever had, like easily the best 10 of those thousands of times, were with my husband. Because when you get to know someone and exactly how they like to be touched, it gets better. And when you let down your defenses and get to know someone fully, it gets better. You’ll understand someday when you start having good sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:43 PM
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Don’t have sex with people you’re just meh about
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:31 PM
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It’s not a good look to fuck people you dislike.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:17 PM
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Difference: my husband likes me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:17 PM
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You need to convince other people to want to be with you. If you don’t do that, it’s on you. Nobody owes you anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:16 PM
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I find it amusing that you think that any woman who’s not a virgin is a whore. Don’t marry anyone you don’t want to marry, but stop whining that you’re lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:25 PM
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Not really
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:24 PM
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Only male virgins have a right to ask for their partner to be a virgin. Virgins fall in love with non virgins all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:23 PM
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I’m married to a short guy who doesn’t have a gym bod, and I have never encountered an incel who was actually grotesque looking
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:01 AM
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Okay, well if you assume all women are of bad character, then the best advice is to just stay away
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:43 PM
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None of that post even makes sense to people who go outside. Do you mean it’s okay if his wife is hotter than him but not if she makes more money?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:14 PM
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Oh, this is purple pill, you’re not allowed to acknowledge that misogyny or oppression ever exists
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:50 PM
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You might do better if you stopped viewing women as delusional, illogical, duplicitous, and stupid. You literally don’t have to think about women this way. If you ever talked to any, you would see that some women are very nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:48 PM
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So are you earning money to support women? Because most of the women I know have full time jobs
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:11 AM
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Oh, how do women not treat men as equal human beings?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:51 PM
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What cruelty are you experiencing from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:31 PM
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How so? What do evil feminists want from men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:29 PM
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What’s disappointing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:15 PM
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No, I think the majority of men here want women to exist for them as slaves they can fuck, not as equal human beings
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:14 PM
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Interesting. My daughter’s tiktok is cats, pasta, and fashion. My son’s is leftist politics, memes, and cars. Mine is feminism, food, and science. You create your algorithm.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:52 PM
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No, my husband is the kind of guy you call a beta simp specifically because he doesn’t hate women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:55 PM
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Men hate women for existing. Women hate men because men actively vilify and mistreat women. If you want women to like you, you just have to be better
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:01 PM
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I agree with the other posters that say that taking rejection well is the most important part. This is an autonomous human being, not an object. They don’t owe it to you to bend to your will just because you want something. That said, you need to pick up on social cues in each of these situations. If you see an attractive stranger in public, say, shopping ina grocery store, don’t ask her out. You know nothing about her other than that you find her physically attractive. This is objectifying. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:49 PM
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Most men aren’t redpill, so it’s not “redpill vs bluepill.” It’s “extremist cult vs majority of people who are normal “
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:14 PM
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You almost understand. Redpill and manosphere is an extremist, woman hating cult, and most men don’t subscribe to it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:11 PM
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Doesn’t care that I was over 25 with a body count of more than 3 when he met me. Doesn’t demand that I do all the housework. Has never asked what I bring to the table, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:00 PM
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When I mention that my husband doesn’t act this way, men call him a beta simp and claim he was my last choice
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:56 PM
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Great. I’m happily married, so this doesn’t affect me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:59 PM
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I can keep explaining it, but I can’t understand it for you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:42 PM
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His point that we blame women for literally everything
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:41 PM
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You guys want women to want you while you trash women. It doesn’t work
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:32 PM
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