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If you remove all the nuance from my original comments and boil down the question to "Is it moral or immoral that women can choose who they like to have sex with, should they be able to consent?", as you are so intent on doing, then yes, we are in agreement
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:43 PM
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I have been in red pill spaces for over ten years and anyone who knows the first thing about RP knows that sexual strategy is amoral for both males and females. No serious person says that it's immoral for women to sleep with men who they don't want to, so who even has the position that you're debating against? There are some vengeful incels who would prefer that women sleep with them, but that has nothing really to do with morality. It's the same as older women who would prefer that men their a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:36 PM
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Again, it's very bold of you to say "I think consent is good, and rape is bad!" Stunning and brave. Incredible debate topic!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:28 PM
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From several comments ago: "My actual point, let’s stay on track here, is about individuals giving and receiving sex consensually" In all of my original comments I said nothing that would suggest I want to remove womens' ability to consent and yet you keep bringing the conversation back to that because it's the only point you're able to defend. Nobody is pro rape, sorry to burst your bubble. If that's what's being debated here it's pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:16 PM
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Ok, so if I'm getting this straight, the entire point of your post was to say that "consent is good, and rape is bad." Anything else is "misrepresenting your argument as something else". Some real groundbreaking discourse you've introduced here!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:08 PM
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Why are you equating what I’m saying to fiscal benefits policy? Another attempt to misrepresent my point. Do you know what an analogy is? My actual point, let’s stay on track here, is about individuals giving and receiving sex consensually. How is a woman not giving up her consent to have sex with a man immoral? Who do you imagine disagrees with the idea that sex should be consensual for both parties? Nothing in my position goes against this. The only way you can defend your position is by claim…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:28 PM
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I am not claiming nobody is entitled to anything. I am claiming nobody is entitled to sex and relationships. What you did in your last paragraph is LITERALLY misrepresenting my point. When I said "anything" I was obviously referring it to the context of "anything pertaining to sex and relationships" since this conversation is about sex and relationships. This isn't the dunk you think it is... But I can actually use this demonstrate my point since you still aren't getting it. I bet you think that…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:48 PM
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I can explain perfectly. As I said in my original comment, society broadly provides zero guidance or support to men/women seeking to form relationships. In fact, young men are frequently demonized by people like you for expressing a natural desire to find a partner. If a young man is struggling to find a partner, it's most likely that he can expect 0 help from his parents or community. You're conflating this with the idea that I want to infringe on women's free will. Also, claiming that no one i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:22 PM
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I'm not misrepresenting anything. My point is just going over your head. No one is claiming that women should be forced to date men they don't want to date. The issue is that whenever men describe systemic issues with the dating market you immediately jump to "Omg you're trying to force women to have sex with you!" Which is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:50 PM
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A cohesive society, which we do not have, facilitates avenues for men and women to form relationships and provides them with guidance and support. The type of hyper-individualism you're championing where noone is expected to do anything for anyone is how we end up with a deeply atomized and fragmented society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:36 PM
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I already said most people aren't going to find hobbies so satisfying that they can base their lives around them. Yes I do things with friends but doing an activity with some people for a few hours a week is NOT a substitute for a romantic relationship and family. The idea that you should be perfectly fine with just that is insane and only exists on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:34 PM
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Something tells me that tying one's identity to belonging to a political party or organization is not good for one's long term well-being. I for one don't have the stomach to engage in politics every day. Just my two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:56 PM
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What communities are they supposed to form and how? This is the kind of thing that is much easier said than done, and I would wager it is in fact easier for most guys to get a girlfriend than form a community. Starting a meetup group that meets for 1-2 hours a week is not a substitute for a life partner and a family. And there are examples of guys living together but in those cases its usually 4-6 adult guys who rent a house and work menial jobs or collect disability and smoke weed and play vide…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:30 PM
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I don't understand why so many on this sub pretend that people don't have needs. For me, it ended up being worth it to pursue several years of self-improvement so I could finally attract women. Telling yourself you don't care about others' opinions doesn't make you happy, having an attractive loving girlfriend does. There are tangible markers of success in the world such as health, wealth, and successful relationships and it's rational to want to pursue them. It's the 21st century and 99% of us …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:19 PM
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Missing the point. The point was that if you somehow got to experience true love, desire, affection all of your ideas about why women and relationships are bad would go straight out the window. It is because you believe this love, desire, affection is out of reach for you that you poorly rationalize against them, your post is little more than sour grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:56 PM
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Surveys show most men wish they had got to experience slightly more sexual partners, not less. I don't advocate for promiscuity for men, but celibacy is even worse and leads to more negative mental health outcomes. And you're just lying to yourself. If by magic a 10/10 woman knocked on your door and wanted to date you, you wouldn't be thinking up reasons why relationships are overrated, it's just your learned helplessness speaking
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:19 PM
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Your "realizations" are ridiculous and mean nothing. The fact that you said masturbation is more enjoyable than sex means you've definitely never had good sex, likely never even had sex at all. It's become cliche to accuse someone of "coping" but what you are doing is constructing a narrative that portrays celibacy as positive and relationships as overrated. Face it, if you could press a button and become a chad who easily gets hot women you would do it in a hearbeat, and you'd abandon all these…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:09 PM
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Guy who doesn't get women and has never been in a good relationship tries to rationalize why being with women is bad mmkay.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:40 PM
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Why the hell is the word "maliciously" in the title of your post? There is nothing malicious about not complimenting someone. Most men will get less than two compliments during their entire lives. Women will also make tiktoks complaining about getting hit on when they're going about their day. They have no idea what they want and what they want can change at the drop of a hat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:23 PM
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They were popular, but not standard, and certainly not the default method, which they are today. Back in 2018 if you were dating a woman you met off the apps she would have you make up a story about how you met, bc it was too humiliating to admit to using dating apps. There was a TITANIC shift that occurred in 2020-2021. Let's say I was a 5 back in the day, if the 5s I asked out rejected me because they had access to dozens of 6.5s, my point remains the same. I have never claimed that only the 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:54 PM
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I'm not interested in debating the particular numeric figures among dating app likes. If you and your friends are particularly well-to-do and only date hotties, good for you, but most other attractive men do not behave that way. You can google countless OLD experiments in which grandmas and other hideous women get innumerable likes and messages from decently attractive men. If you have a female friend who is a 5-6 and is active on the apps, ask to see her matches and you will most likely be shoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:48 PM
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The data only goes up to 2019, there was a seismic shift that occurred in 2020 in that now there's some evidence that 70%+ of couples are meeting online because other avenues for meeting partners has dramatically tanked. Even if I did receive updated data that contradicted my beliefs, I frankly would refuse to believe it because it flatly contradicts my lived experience. I've been the guy who was shut out of dating because all the women on my level that I asked out rejected me because they had 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:38 PM
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Understand that if you are liking 2% of women on the apps you are the outlier, not me. The average man will swipe right on about 40%. You sound like you're even more attractive than me, and if it's the case that you're super hot and can match and meet up with other women who are super hot that's great for you, but many men can't & don't operate that way. I consider myself a 7 or 8 on a good day and getting women who are other 7-8s is doable but takes significantly more effort than getting a 5-6 …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:21 PM
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What you said about collapsing social infrastructure was spot on, but I fail to see how this negates the idea that women want a small percentage of men. Both can be mutually true. In my view, the fact that it's harder to meet people and everyone is more reliant on dating apps makes it true that being conventionally attractive and making a good first impression is much more important than in the past. Yes it's harder for a man to meet a woman in the first place, but even if you do meet her she ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:12 PM
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This is delusional on so many levels. I understand you're upset that women hold significantly more power in the dating market, but you seem totally ignorant to cause and effect. You can't try to artificially engineer behavior that goes against what is ingrained over thousands of years. If men were willing or able to alter their mating strategy like you suggest, we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. The fact of the matter is that men consider women EXTREMELY VALUABLE especially compared…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:46 PM
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"You have bad social skills, you've clearly never dated women" "Omg how could you say I won't find a wife that's so mean mods please ban him" Ok dude. You didn't address any of my points because we both know less than 1% of guys meet their wives through cold approach. You're also brushing off the logistical issues. Parking my car or ubering takes time and money, yet you say taking good pictures takes too much time? Spending money on drinks costs money and is unhealthy, and staying sober in an en…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 11:45 PM
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Interesting how you insulted me in three separate comments and not only do I get banned for retaliating but your first response is “omg why do you use ad hominem” Do you have a wife that you met from cold approaching at a bar? I want you to poll couples that you know and inquire as to how they met. The answers you will hear will be along the lines of mutual friends, college, etc. If it’s a younger couple, they’ll most likely say online. What you will NOT hear is “Oh he just spontaneously hit on …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:24 PM
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You have no argument and barely possess the brain capacity to string a sentence together. I'll invite you one last time to construct a clear, concise argument as to why I was supposedly wrong but if it's more emotional gibberish I'm not responding.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 01:10 PM
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How warm the approach is depends on the context of the situation and the degree of familiarity between you and the girl. It's a spectrum, I'll give examples: -Coldest approach (least effective) - stopping a random woman on the street. -Cold approach - Approaching a stranger at a bar. -Lukewarm approach - Introducing yourself to a woman during/after a class you are both in. -Warm approach - being introduced to a girl who is a friend of your friend at a small gathering. For example, if you're a po…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 04:10 AM
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Basing your understanding of dating from experiences at frat parties is irrational and I'll explain why. Men that are in frats which are considered the "top" frats (i.e. they can invite as many sororities as they want to their parties) are in a uniquely advantaged position compared to almost all other men in all other contexts. They control the gender ratios of the parties they throw so it is favorable for the men. A top frat with many attractive men will gatekeep unattractive/awkward/low status…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:58 PM
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Yeah same, 0. It's just the Gen Xers who advocate for this bizarre approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 04:44 PM
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Meeting strangers at bars/clubs is a very Gen X/older millennial phenomenon, it is by and large an unnatural strategy for meeting people that only works in specific cases. I think you'd be hard pressed to find hardly any couples over 50 or under 30 that actually met because the guy walked up and hit on her at a bar/club. Most young women I've met have no problem matching with a guy on a dating app, talking to him for a few days, then going on a date and sleeping with him, but the idea of getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:44 PM
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First off, working on yourself while in a relationship is obviously a good thing, but let’s not pretend like relationships don’t fundamentally change the way people prioritize their time, energy, and focus. Some people prefer to build themselves up before bringing someone else into their life—this isn’t “harmful”; it’s a personal choice. Acting like delaying relationships is some naive mistake rather than a valid approach is absurd. Fair point, I should specify that I do not advocate for everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:24 PM
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That should be enough to explain it all tbh. Not every man is the same as you. Most guys could easily live their lives happily without needing a relationship. Most would even benefit from using their time more efficiently than chasing women. Single men are consistently across the board less happy and healthy than married men. There may be a few cases in which a guy is really better off single but I promise you the consequences of a life would be disastrous for the majority of men, you simply wis…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:39 PM
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I don't really understand why saying "I think more people should be monogamous and start families" makes me a communist. I believe the onus is on men for them to make themselves attractive partners and pursue women. But if you wanna call me a commie then I guess that's fine, if hypothetically the majority of men earnestly had zero access to mates I do think that's an issue in society, just as if the majority of people had zero wealth then perhaps a more equitable solution would be needed. Also j…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:32 PM
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I'm pretty confused because I asked what is decentering and who your arguments are directed towards - You said that it's "not revolving your entire effort, mental energy, life decisions towards pleasing a potential partner" that "All redpillers" behave like this. Then when I point out that's not at all how they orient themselves, you say instead that RPers "Desperately looking for a woman to please them" which is an exceptionally vague description and can describe a vast amount of men. If your p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:14 AM
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I don't think every red piller, or even most red pillers would say something like that. I can use basic RP talking points to refute this, saying it's putting p*ssy on a pedestal, a man should have other things going on in life besides women, women should serve their men just to name a few. It's really abnormal to claim red pill is about men pleasing their female partners so I don't think you understand the red pill. Wouldn't loners be on your side bc they already place little value on relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:54 AM
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Is the conversation over because you lost when I revealed you hadn't read or comprehended the book you thought that you were so smart for referencing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:48 AM
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Does anyone with a lick of sense believe something along the lines of "My entire effort, mental energy, & life decisions should go towards pleasing a potential partner?" I don't think so. My position is more along the lines of "Relationships are arguably the most important aspect of life for most people, so people should prioritize their formation and maintenance."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:43 AM
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I guess I don't fully understand your use of the term "Decenter" when it comes to relationships since it wasn't defined. While I consider relationships to likely be the most important aspect of an average person's life, if you were simply trying to say that men should live balanced lives in which they don't make relationships the focal point of their life, then I don't disagree. I just have often noticed recently that people repudiate relationships in favor of vague notions such as "working on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:32 AM
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Woman who claims we're heading towards BNW evidently has not read it. If you had, you would know that in the novel children were made to partake in explicit acts at a very young age. Or perhaps you just see no issue with that sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:16 AM
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My kids will not be laborers nor will I permit them to be drafted into war. In all likelihood they will have lives that are mostly pleasant and fulfilling, like mine. Your grand predictions will not come to fruition and there will be no reward for you for not reproducing. We're entering BNW because everyone is obsessed with pleasure, sexual degeneracy, and short term gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:50 AM
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All moral arguments eventually boil down to subjective value judgements. Since you seemed very stout in your belief that reproduction was not a desirable outcome for you, I saw no point in trying to convince you. You should be aware that most men do not share in your viewpoints, and when polled at least 80-90% of men wish to become fathers. I maintain that my advice would benefit most men, just not the fiercely devoted MGTOWs/black pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:42 AM
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Man, it's a good thing fox news taught me that I need to pass on my genes or else the idea never would have occurred to me. Everyone knows no one ever passed on their genes before conservative propaganda was created. If your life is back breaking labor or cannon fodder then you shouldn't reproduce but mine is neither, I love my life and would love to provide for a wife and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:29 AM
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"I’m not donating my body to produce cogs for the machine"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:12 AM
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The world is a competition to pass on our genes. That you have been duped into believing the literal opposite of the most base truth about the world just speaks to the masterful propaganda that has been imparted on you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:10 AM
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This all comes down to subjective value judgements but you raise some good points so I'll again offer my perspective and clarify some positions. You are correct that not all men, especially gay men, want to blindly pass on their genes at any cost. And you certainly don't have to pass on your genes. However, I view the creation of a family as a pursuit that is higher and more valuable than any kind of "focusing on myself to do whatever benefits me." So if you say "I don't think passing on genes m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 03:06 AM
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Yes, all of my ideals and wants will prevail while yours wither into oblivion. I am glad you understand!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:58 AM
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I find it ironic how you accuse me of being brainwashed for wanting to follow my instincts to reproduce, meanwhile you've been brainwashed into ending your genetic line.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:52 AM
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They aren't dog whistles, you just choose to interpret "I think we should raise the birth rate" as "We want to enslave women and chain them to the kitchen." Because that is an easier position to attack. Fathers today put in more time towards childcare than mothers did in the 60s. Mothers today still do more, but your portrayal of fathers as lazy is still incorrect. In one sentence you praise the egalitarian home model as a wonderful ideal, and in the next you swear off reproduction as if it was …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:49 AM
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You severely lack perspective. Cultural narratives and shifts which have happened over decades supersede the outcome of an election. In the 50s and 60s, conservative Christians controlled "the culture" you could say that the average person was conservative "by default", and even if a democrat won an election that would not change the state of the country. Now, liberals overwhelmingly control "the culture" and they have for several decades, even though there has been recent pushback and it appear…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:42 AM
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what's in it for them? "passing on your genes" this is irrelevant to a large portion of men. No it isn't irrelevant, it's our biological programming. Every time a man becomes aroused it's because he wants to pass on his genes. someone who wouldn't spend that time with you if you didn't bend over and become someone you aren't. People want valuable mates. If you are a man with no value to offer, that is an unfortunate position to be in, but you must build value to attract a partner. Speaking on pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:23 AM
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The right is in an interesting position in which they technically are the majority of the population and yet severely lack institutional power, furthermore the right has held almost zero sway when it comes to cultural issues in the past several decades - whether this is about to change remains to be seen, but every single social issue has been defeat after defeat for them. Name one victory on social/cultural issues that the right won from 1980-2024. Even if you can, it's undeniable that society …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:19 AM
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(1) Show me when I promoted communism (2) You have disturbing viewpoints on families if you hear that I want to promote families and interpret it as "regarding women as commodities."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:15 AM
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(1) You do not understand the stranglehold the left has held over the culture for the past several decades. Virtually 100% of academic institutions are firmly ideologically committed to the left, same goes for hollywood and entertainment media, same goes for mainstream news media. You may not see it, but this is like a fish not seeing water because it's surrounded by it. Albeit this grip is slightly weakening, especially in the last few years. Also, I'm not simply advocating for "the right"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:11 AM
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If I was Man B I would still try to improve to get a relationship. It's a matter of finding someone to spend your life with. Of passing on your genes. There's no right or wrong in terms of what you should do with your life, but in my opinion many unattractive men who "rationally" decide to throw in the towel may end up regretting their decisions down the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:04 AM
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90% of your questions are irrelevant and don't need to be answered. You know how our institutions such as news outlets, Hollywood, Academia, 1.5 million NGOs, all promote the exact same, uniform, culturally progressive narrative? It wasn't always like that, leftists gradually moved into institutions over the course of many decades, and the result is that the average person's beliefs and values shifted radically. I am suggesting something similar happen, but for ideals that promote healthy commun…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:00 AM
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I'm not outlining a 50 page essay of how I would organize society for you to then try to dismiss it with one sentence, and furthermore I, like the vast majority of men, have no institutional power to reform the system directly so that would be pointless. This is called discourse, not whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:48 AM
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I don't think most men are so undesirable that they can't get a relationship if they improve themselves. I think unless you're a 1/10 burn victim or 4'11 a guy should probably try even if that means getting rejected almost 99% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:45 AM
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Outlining my entire moral philosophy is outside the scope of this thread - but essentially it would involve a culture with institutions and media that promote human interaction, the formation of strong communal ties, monogamous romantic partnerships, and family formation. Instead of everyone being encouraged to stay indoors on their devices consuming product.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:43 AM
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Do you recognize that when I use terms like "guardrails" I am not advocating for a totalitarian "force citizens to do things at gunpoint" system, I am advocating for a system in which healthy cultural and societal norms are promoted which lead to flourishing for the individual and the society - and yes that includes people interacting with other people, and some people reproducing. I find the implication that people - outside of extraordinary cases - can and should live completely antisocial liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 01:29 AM
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Isn't it time for you to leave so you can gift your favorite streamer or OF model 20% of your paycheck?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:58 AM
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Banal insult chastising me for stating my beliefs instead of constructing a counter-argument. I should really stop using this site.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:56 AM
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men often sacrifice good character and ethics to get an advantage in the dating market. The fact that you think that having a girl is more important that being a good person is why we need to decenter romantic relationships, as its ruining men's moral integrity and making more shitty men. You still haven't given an example of how this happens. I don't consider myself immoral and I don't know how getting ahead in the dating market can potentially make men worse people. I was saying that if I did …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:54 AM
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I believe in putting up guardrails against behavior that is destructive at an individual and societal level. Most men desire relationships with women and being antisocial makes them quite miserable. Simping might be what a guy wants to do, but is paying an e-girl tens of thousands of dollars going to benefit himself or society? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:30 AM
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A lot of the things you list are ideas involved within decentering relationships. Working on oneself, having friends, not basing ones self worth on the relationship, setting proper boundaries, being selective with who you begin a relationship with. All of these are ideas championed by decentering relationships. I don't exactly know what "decenter relationships" is supposed to mean, but I interpreted it to mean stepping away from romantic relationships. My point was that you can improve yourself …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:26 AM
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Men often sacrifice doing things that would benefit their character and personhood morally and objectively to get ahead in the dating market. Can you be more specific or provide an example of this? Also, I would rather be successful in the dating market than a moral person who is unsuccessful. Platonic relationships can have intimacy, deeper connection, and platonic brotherly love. One can create their own family by just creating a tight and close knit group of friends. Yeah I just don't see any…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 12:19 AM
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Actually I think that in 99% of cases a man who fails to end up with a partner is not "doing everything right" there is in fact probably quite a bit he is doing wrong so I find your message incorrect and counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 11:16 PM
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I'm not sure you understand why men are taking issue with you saying "it's up to chance" so I'll try to explain it to you. Yes you cannot specifically control the world so that you meet your perfect partner when you leave the house. But you can implement strategies and actions that greatly increase your dating success, and just drifting through life hoping that you stumble upon love one day is a surefire way to fail and be celibate forever unless you're naturally super attractive. This is what y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 11:11 PM
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Actually no, I’ve been the initiator of every relationship I’ve had. I don't understand how someone who initiated multiple relationships would say that it's mostly up to chance. Every relationship I've initiated was the result of great concentrated effort on my part. If I continued "mindlessly wandering" as you phrased it I would still be single, so I don't think it's correct to tell men it's up to chance. Yes. But let’s look at that tens of thousands. Half are your desired gender, a quarter of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:41 PM
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Maybe not 95% out of your control. But a majority of it genuinely comes down to luck and chance. This is a very female perspective, because you are the passive ones during courting process. Everything in life is "luck and chance" to some degree, but as a man without being proactive you're not getting a relationship. The same is not true for women. Finding someone that’s compatible, that wants the same things you want, that’s in your geographic area, that speaks a shared language - that’s statist…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:25 PM
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Are you saying that finding and developing a successful relationship is 95% out of your control?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:15 PM
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If this slop is what passes for red pill content I'm disappointed, I miss when normies didn't know about all this stuff. The algorithms push it because it has high engagement because it stirs up emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:47 PM
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I have never seen a red piller make this argument, just curious, where are you finding these videos, who is making this argument? I think it's kind of a stupid question to ask whether sperm or uteruses are "better". But it is objectively true that men have the POTENTIAL to be exponentially more reproductively successful than any woman ever could, since they can theoretically impregnate multiple women every day. In practice, extremely few men, especially in today's world, are actually doing this,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:21 PM
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Men have differing levels of virtue. Certain men are responsible, will be good fathers and good members of their community. Certain men are irresponsible, impulsive, ill-natured, and their behavior will damage society if not controlled. So the virtuous men need to lead and rein in the men who would do harm if they had no constraints.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:33 PM
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We should create a society that promotes virtue, yes, and that includes responsible parenthood. Certain people, who are very unintelligent, advocate for a morally relativistic free for all and then complain about people behaving poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:26 PM
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No one is disputing that. It can be advantageous in a reproductive sense to do so depending on the circumstances, but history has taught us it is clearly very possible to create societies in which men almost always stay with their partner and children. If we throw monogamy out the window you can expect fatherlessness to increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:21 PM
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Men have different levels of paternal investment, it can be reproductively advantageous to invest in offspring, or to not invest depending on the situation. You should still not discount the extent to which many men throughout history have paternally invested in offspring. And I support any measure to enforce monogamy and have men look after their offspring so kids have stable two parent homes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:19 PM
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I take issue with a few things you said and I think you're downplaying the importance/instinctiveness of fatherhood. 4) I honestly think that the vast majority of men have no fatherly instinct the way women have motherly instinct. When you think about it, fatherhood is a social construct. (this doesn´t mean it´s not good or valuable) Motherhood is a natural instinct. No, fatherhood isn't socially constructed, fatherhood is instinctual and existed long before civilization and social engineering. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 03:02 PM
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It is dependent on one's capacity for metacognition and self-awareness. It is true that an average or below average person who is not very bright, lacks agency & discipline isn't going to get far in trying to change their personality, most won't even start to try to change. But if you are able to consciously monitor and adjust your behavior, you can change. You can improve behaviors like eye contact, voice intonation, and certainly traits like confidence and assertiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:53 PM
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A lot of people have remote jobs but that doesn't mean they're willing to uproot their lives, renounce their US citizenship or pay taxes in two countries, possibly learn a new language, and live in a developing country that has poor infrastructure and other disadvantages compared to their home. This is an intense commitment which is why most guys struggling to get laid won't do it, nor can they. It is technically doable, but it requires immense logistical work and can be quite risky
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 01:10 AM
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While I think it could be a threat if the trend becomes more mainstream and the barriers to entry are lowered, I don't think passportbroing in its current form is a threat to their position. As much of a hassle as dating is domestically, it seems incredibly logistically difficult to be a passport bro. First, air travel is expensive and Americans only get like two weeks of vacation. But even if an average white guy goes to the Philippines two weeks out of a year and gets laid multiple times, is h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 12:31 AM
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I agree with your post, and I don't think there is a current solution for these men other than to take initiative and try to become more proactive, assertive, and dominant. As a formerly "Love-shy" male, I will say that no one ever helped me, I was only ever given backwards advice and scorn. My parents said dating was unimportant, focus on school. Friends will just make fun of you if you express you have troubles with women. Most normie advice is useless, and even a lot of red pill advice is mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:21 PM
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I'm gonna start by saying that if you are the type of person who is going to reject anything I write that isn't backed up by a peer reviewed study, then stop reading here, just don't reply, as it would be a waste of both of our time. I'm going to use anecdotes (not as evidence, but to provide an example of the phenomenon I'm describing) and reasoning to support my claims, so if your response is "where's the evidence tho" it will be ignored, I urge you to respond to the reasoning I put forward fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 03:08 PM
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I've addressed your basic blackpill talking points, are you a blackpiller? If so then articulate an argument, if not then this exchange is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:08 PM
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Cool I don't personally know every single woman under 23 in the world. I wish you the best in your attempts to find a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:55 PM
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If your contribution is simply stating "some men just wish they were chad" I've already responded to this sentiment. This is a debate sub, take a clear position, or critique my position. You don't need to chime in with "What about blackpillers who say x"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:37 PM
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It sounds to me like you're simply dressing up the phenomenon I just described. I'll go through it point by point. I think what happens is just that women’s too priorities shift from “He has to be pretty and fun” to “he has to have the characteristics that make him a good husband and father” as they get older. I agree with this - but make no mistake - a woman's fantasy/ideal scenario is to mold one of these guys who was a highly attractive bad boy to begin with into someone who only wants to com…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:00 PM
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You have pointlessly responded to me with boiler plate black pill talking points "men despair over not being chad" what is your purpose for doing this? What are you arguing for?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:46 PM
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Are you responding to me or "this sub"? I'm against learned helplessness/blackpilling, you don't need to recite their dumb talking points - what is your position?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:41 PM
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Why can’t it be that none of those guys were the right fit, long term? It could be, it depends on the case. I was making generalizations. Or that none of those guys were worthy of her commitment, but the guy she’s with now, is? This is possible I suppose, however there is a widely observed trend in which women, in their youth, engage in short term relationships with exceptionally attractive, high value men, and then are unable to secure long term commitment from these men, so down the line they …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:35 PM
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All men don't complain about chad. I don't stew in rage about men who are better looking than me and get more girls, I play with the hand I was dealt, and I encourage all other men to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:25 PM
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That's a very fatalistic viewpoint. An average 5/10 guy can choose to wallow in disappointment because he wasn't born a 10, or he can improve to be a 6 or a 7, and then date women on his level.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:52 PM
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Well not necessarily. Maybe the truly genetically unfortunate men they have no options aside from magic, but that is a small percentage of men. An average man can build more muscle, get leaner, get more confident, be more masculine, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:35 PM
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Who are you quoting? You grievously lack reading comprehension if you think that was what I said. I think these unattractive men are in a tough position, but I do urge them to try to improve themselves, not wish for magical solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:29 PM
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The reason men say these things which seem contradictory is because many unattractive men are stuck in a conundrum, and both views stem from the same insecurity. They don't have the "it" to make women inherently desire them. Hence, they think womens' standards are too high. Secondly, the prospect of ending up with a woman who was very active in her youth, while he was getting no action, is intimidating and likely to lead to problems, it's almost certain that he doesn't measure up to the guys she…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 04:35 PM
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I don't know which edition of the RP handbook you're referring to, and if it is in any of them, it's wrong. If they were making a point that women's love is MORE conditional, then I wouldn't disagree, but for the reasons I have articulated all love is conditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:46 PM
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I'm not sure who or what you're referencing but I've never heard this. I've heard some variation of "Women don't love men the same way men love women", I agree that women's love may be MORE conditional (i.e. women more likely to leave a male partner who loses his job) But my point is that all love is clearly conditional. Her being your gf or wife is a condition. There is a reason people do not love a random stranger from Bangladesh the way you love your own children or spouse, and that is natura…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:38 PM
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It's still conditional, the "condition" with family is the genetic link. The only reason a parent will say that they have "unconditional love" for a child is because it is theirs, they created it and invested in it themselves. This counts as a condition. I think what a lot of people mean by "unconditional love" is "really really strong love". Everything in the world is conditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 03:12 PM
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women are better as they age and men too I do not know on what basis are you claiming this, or what you mean by "better." I would argue that in most cases women do not become more appealing partners to men as they age. There may be isolated cases where it's true, if an obese 20 year old woman loses alot of weight she may be more attractive at 25 or 30. of course there are exemptions but mature women are better then younger ones which only pedophiles prey upon If you're gonna call a man a pedophi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 11:19 PM
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This type of hypothetical is hard to assess without more context, and all men won't behave exactly the same. But if a 45 year old man with no particularly exceptional qualities is expecting to land an attractive 25 year old woman eager to start a family with him then I have bad news for him. So to answer your question, if this 45 year old is dead set on having kids then he probably wouldn't choose a 43 year old, but at the same time if he wanted kids so badly he probably wouldn't be childless at…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:26 PM
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I won't say that this phenomenon you're describing doesn't exist, but I think you're zeroing in on a number of men who are very resentful while at the same time being mediocre themselves (The 30 year old men who can actually attract 20 year olds don't complain about women on reddit), but I would say that this is sort of the equivalent of a single mother or obese woman making a long list of demands for a man. There's no need to take these people seriously, they're just venting, odds are if one of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:18 PM
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If a guy can't act like a normal person for a few hours on a date then I don't know what to tell him, being a little off kilter socially isn't a big deal is my point. I've personally never met a guy like this. And yeah going to the gym alone won't necessarily get you women, you still need to interact with them, but for most guys maxing out their looks (getting a leaner face in most cases) will give them the greater results than other self improvement stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:12 PM
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The biggest example to me is that the majority of men on this sub say that women above 30 or even 25 are too old to date From the perspective of a man who is seeking to build a family with more than one child, meeting and courting a woman above 30 is objectively speaking a poor choice. yet in the same breath complain how no women will date them I think this is something repeated more by blackpillers or the more pathetic redpillers, if a redpiller actually said this I would tell him he needs to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:00 PM
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PS If you're just going to say the tired old "creepy just means the guy is ugly" save your energy. It doesn't matter if you think this is a "tired old" argument, where women place guys on the creep-o-meter is 80% dependent on looks, and that's the truth. In my teens I was always seen as creepy, I did have below average social skills for sure, but I was also short, very skinnyfat, with a soft and pudgy face. I entered my 20s during COVID and started looksmaxxing whilst completely isolated, when C…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 07:22 PM
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That's one approach, sure. I personally wouldn't recommend "just cope" to an average, struggling guy though. I think it's worth it to try as hard as you can to get a partner. For the very unfortunate 10% of guys coping may be their best option.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:05 PM
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It doesn't make sense when people conflate the desire for sex as being the same as a desire for a nice car. Your hormonal drives dictate that your body must seek out sex in the same way it must seek out food. You cannot suppress this biological drive short of bizarre, unfeasible methods like trying to gut your testosterone levels or spending all day in asetic meditation. The basic, fundamental point you people don't seem to understand is that while sex is not a "need" for survival, it is a "need…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:36 PM
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Significantly more context is needed to assess your claims. Bodies change over time This is true to some extent, no man should expect a woman to look the same at 40 as she did at 25, but if she refuses to take care of herself and gain excess weight you cannot handwave away legitimate concerns about health and fitness (which go hand in hand with attractiveness) with a simple "bodies change over time." It's what's inside that counts This is also true to some extent, but all happily coupled people …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:17 PM
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I'll grant that smart men are more likely to put value on intelligence, and will most likely marry a woman of approximately similar socioeconomic status. But for the most part no wealthy, attractive man who wants children will be looking towards a woman who is over thirty. There's also no rule saying that smart, professional women aren't allowed to marry young, that's what my mother did.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 10:04 PM
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I was responding to a comment regarding whether men care about womens' jobs which I answered directly - for the most part, men do not care. If a woman decides that being financially independently is the most important thing to her then that is her prerogative. Women can also have successful careers and still marry young, that's what my mother did, they don't need to choose one or the other. But the 23 year old woman who is a new accountant may be better off spending her free time looking for a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:57 PM
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The truth is that men care FAR more about other attributes than a woman's job. I won't say the job has zero importance, bc for example it's unlikely that a male CEO marries a female fast food worker. But for most men, a woman's career and education is a minute factor. Virtually all men will pick the 23 year old hot secretary over the 33 year old accountant. The point is that telling women "focus on your career and education to get a man" is grossly misleading them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 07:32 PM
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The red pill has never cared about giving advice to women and never will. But I'll go over some of what you claim is the red pill advice for women: -Settle down as early as possible because supposedly high value men only want young women This can work out, or it can not. There are cases where women can get screwed over by doing this (stays with a guy since she's 20 just for him to dump her when she's 28), and there are women for whom locking down a guy early has worked out for them (e.g. Usha Va…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 06:26 PM
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Getting another person number while in a relationship Context??? Why would anyone think that just obtaining a person's phone number is cheating? If the context is clearly romantic that changes things Dirty dancing with someone while in a relationship Yes, guys don't want their gfs grinding on some rando Kissing another person while in a relationship Obviously Going on a date secretly with someone while your already in a relationship Most likely yes, why would someone be going on dates if they di…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 06:15 PM
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I do not compare relationships in my life to food. Food can be selected and changed at a whim with no harm or real consequences. It also sounds to me like you're describing hypergamy, "Oh my husband is fine but Mr. Grey really gives me the tingles so I'll swap over to him." The fact that you are so eager to portray an extremely consequential decision as simply opting for a different entree is bizarre. Again, if you take a sacred vow, you should not forfeit it for mundane reason, or for no reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 03:12 PM
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It shocks me the amount of women who take astrology very seriously. I am a male gemini which is apparently the worst thing you can possibly be, and several women have admitted they've almost refused to date me because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:43 PM
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First, I struggle to understand why someone would end a relationship where "nothing is wrong", because if you can't point to a single deficiency with the partner or the relationship, why on earth would you feel inclined to leave? What I think is more likely is that the woman has lost interest, the spark, or whatever you wanna call it. In that case that's not "nothing is going wrong", either the guy has failed to maintain her interest or something else has gone awry. Second, with a boyfriend or g…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:39 PM
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As I said, I would find it highly questionable if a guy said he self improved over years and achieved ZERO results. Assuming he has his career in order and has maximized his looks, I would ask that guy how many women he's actually asked out. A rejection rate of over 90% indicates an issue with his approach, social skills, or that he may be going for women out of his league. A 5/10 guy getting a 5/10 gf isn't as a herculean task as some on this sub would suggest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:24 PM
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You’re Told to Self-Improve, But Success Isn’t Guaranteed. I struggle to believe that a guy who actually improves himself won't find success after a few years. It's true that he won't get the same results or same caliber of woman that a naturally hot guy gets, but if a 4 improves his looks, wealth, social skills, and becomes a 6 he can then pull 6s. The fact that "other people have it better" isn't an argument for not trying to improve yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:54 PM
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I mean the lengths to which you go to in terms of bodybuilding (if you guys actually do that ) , plastic surgeries,making lots of money and what not so that more women will find you appealing. Getting really into bodybuilding only helps you very marginally with women, but every guy should lift and work out, there's no downside to this. I can't speak to plastic surgery but if I was a guy with a really unfortunate face I'd probably give it a shot because why not? As for making lots of money, that …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:48 AM
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Look I can meet people, and I have no problem making acquaintances and being friendly. The problem is that people aren't willing to meet me on a deeper level than making small talk once a week. I play volleyball and pickleball and it's nice to have the interaction but trying to get closer to those people never works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 02:17 PM
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Not all of redpill entails the use of "evil manipulation tactics". I used "tactics" to sleep with women when I was dating casually, but I would argue I didn't really hurt any of them. And now that I'm in a steady relationship I don't mistreat my girl at all. Also, I think it is better to be amoral and successful than failing and lonely You’ll have 500 fuckbuddies, just looking for you to Venmo them and leave. I don't understand this, why would I venmo one of my fbuddies? I would never use a pros…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 09:52 PM
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Ok, I accept your concession?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:54 PM
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It's not about you though, but about the men who put moral pressure on women to be their mates so they are not lonely. Is there anything wrong with thinking that men and women should be together? That people on an individual and societal level are better when they pair off? You think what i did was legal and wouldn't get me penalized if caught? You prevented yourself from socializing. The same leaders did not prevent me or my friends or all the millions who chose to not follow the rules to socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 03:53 PM
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My post went into exhaustive detail explaining my point so I won't argue with a low effort a comment that just says "you're making excuses"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:50 PM
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Like talking to a brick wall. Read my post, I'm not single, I have explained the many obstacles and factors which make friends a poor substitution for a romantic relationship in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:46 PM
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I do, but it's people own responsibility to have the social interactions they crave. I've taken responsibility, I have attempted for years to form friendships, it has only resulted in acquaintances, so I rely on a SO and it's been working for me. No, you let that happen. I found 20 new friends during covid, starting from nothing, after having moved to a new city. I found a new gf during covid. I had the deepest bonding months of my life during covid. And that at mid 30s. You don't need to be you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:44 PM
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Yeah it's unfortunate but then what you do is double dates with your partner and the other couple. "With your partner and the other couple." OK, so you're admitting that people should have relationships and single ppl are kind of screwed?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:33 PM
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Good for you. It's a perfectly reasonable situation for a guy with a tight friend circle for literally all of his friends to get married and then spend all their time with their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:24 PM
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And what if your friends all have partners who they would rather hang out with than you? My original post explains in exhaustive details why friends are usually a poor substitute for a romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:07 PM
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Loneliness is not a function of frequency or number of social contacts. Being alone does not mean feeling lonely. Key Aspects of Loneliness: >Emotional Loneliness: This type occurs when a person feels that they lack a close, emotionally fulfilling relationship (e.g., a partner, best friend, or confidant). They might have people around but still feel disconnected, as if those relationships are shallow or unsatisfying. >Social Loneliness: This type refers to a lack of broader social interactions o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:01 PM
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Ok, I never advocated for people to be recluses who only interact with their partner, I said that their partner will/ought to be their primary means of interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:51 PM
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I’m married, but should this not work out I’m not doing it again. I was more than busy enough when I was single with a soft harem of sorts who were all aware of the situation and just fine. Alright, you sound like a guy who has never struggled with women, and it kind of proves my point that a guy who is married/with a soft harem feels fine. If you've never lived without female intimacy, you probably wouldn't see why it's so important. And I'd also add that if you were once married but get divorc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:49 PM
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I'm not saying your SO should be the only person you talk to. But the idea that a married guy in his 30s will be spending 50% of the time with his friends and 50% with his wife is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:43 PM
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You have very high minded ideals, but my argument is that at the end of the day, no matter how many hobbies, friendships a man has he will feel empty in the long run without a long term relationship. I don't have any problem attracting women, and I don't come across as needy and desperate. But I actually found that I was more secure in myself and happier as a person AFTER getting relationships with women, not before.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:41 PM
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I will keep looking, but I haven't found these "great friends" and at this point I doubt that I ever will. I could also argue that you're just keeping low quality women. I don't really care about her being "interesting" her job is to be supportive, sweet, feminine, and that makes it infinitely more pleasurable to hang out with her than my male peers imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:38 PM
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I'd rate it like an 8/10, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:35 PM
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Well I can't help that I'm a young guy who hasn't had time yet to be in a long relationship, but marriage/cohabitation is my plan. I'm not saying I'll be a recluse, I'm a pretty active guy, but all my interactions when I go to these random meetups that ppl on reddit suggest end up being pretty shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:35 PM
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So you haven't heard of paraphrasing. Enjoy your L, better luck next time lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 02:01 AM
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Have you heard of paraphrasing? The actual title and the one I paraphrased have a virtually identical meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:57 AM
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You are arbitrarily stating the content of my post does not align with the title when that simply isn't true. Title: "Many men need a romantic relationship in order to not feel lonely" Content: Provides reasoning & anecdotes explaining why things like friendship that people say ought to be used as a substitution for relationships is ineffective. Nearly everyone else in the thread understood my post because it was articulated very clearly. If you were actually correct that my claim had nothing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:53 AM
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You're not articulating any sort of meaningful disagreement that pertains to the content within my post. For the last time I am asking you to articulate a position that is not "I think you should have mentioned xyz." But you're not gonna do this bc we both know you'd swiftly lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:38 AM
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You aren't willing or able to articulate a critique of my argument because the last time you tried you got destroyed, I get that. If you only want to quibble by saying "I'm upset that your post didn't specifically talk about men's issues in comparison to womens' " then my response is ok cool but I don't care, the post was written to convey the point that it did. It's not "devoid of content" it takes a very clear position. State a position that makes an actual argument, that is not "erm I don't l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:31 AM
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My original post explains in great detail what I set out to explain - why friendship is not usually a viable substitute for a romantic relationships in a man's life. You need to tell me very specifically where and how you disagree with me and not just tell me you wanted my post to include xyz.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:02 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:52 AM
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Since your question has been asked already I will respond to this question by copying one of my previous responses -Women are on average more socially attuned than men and possess better social skills as a matter of nature. -Male spaces have been assaulted. -Women are welcomed into practically any social group they want just for being women, while plenty of groups restrict the number of guys so as to not create increased competition. Single guys are viewed with suspicion in general. -Women are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:51 AM
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The title of my post says men in it. I'm sorry if I didn't word my post the way you preferred. However if you don't disagree with the substance of my arguments than I am not going to continue this exchange as it would be meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:49 AM
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I included plenty of reasons in my original post and in supplemental comments on why men are lonely, you apparently haven't read them. Saying "But what about the wahmen!!!!" is pointless, my post is discussing mens' issues, which I know you feminists absolutely can't stand but you must accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:38 AM
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If that was your takeaway you don't have the greatest reading comprehension. You people are missing the point. I encourage people to have friendships, that was one of the first lines of my post that you didn't read. My main argument, that friendships cannot usually act as a substitute for romantic relationships, has largely remained unaddressed...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:36 AM
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You think I haven't tried this? People will tell me they want to make friends and then either intentionally blow me off or just get busy the next week. It is a paradox why my generation is so wildly antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:34 AM
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You told me they have bad social skills. That’s one of your reasons for why they are more lonely than women... but somehow did not make the list of why men are lonely. Yes, the operative word there is "one", I have already said women naturally have better social skills than men. You cannot just attribute all of male loneliness to one reason, that is not critical thinking. So you’re saying you’re not sure what factors are making men specifically lonely and unable to meet their social needs withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:32 AM
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Your premise that the issue is young mens' bad social skills is a ridiculous oversimplification in which you attempt to find one cause to a complex, multifaceted issue. There could be any number of factors contributing to loneliness, the pandemic could have affected different populations differently, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:15 AM
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If Gen X women experienced Covid and did not lose their ability to have deep friendships... Covid isn’t why Gen Z men don’t have deep friendships. So you think it is impossible for an event to have two disparate effects on two different populations. You aren't in a position to be lecturing people about logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:08 AM
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What is your position? I have explained thoroughly why single women don't get as lonely as single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:54 PM
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1) going to therapy It's often because of a lack of deep, meaningful social connections that people feel like they need therapy, I hope you're aware of that. 2) doing things in real life- no electronics. Such as joining a kickball league. I do this. It's a good way to make acquaintances, but not deep, lasting friendships. 3) get a dog. Walk your dog and/ or go to the dog park. Do not wear headphones and say hi and make small talk with everyone. Dogs aren't for me but thanks for your two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:47 PM
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What a coincidence, you just proved mine. Next time if you can't think of an argument at least come up with some wittier insults lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:45 PM
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"Trying to encourage others to be in a shitty position" what is bro talking about? "Not getting my way?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:41 PM
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My experience and intuition has allowed me to ascertain that you lack the mental faculties needed to attack any of the ideas I laid out in my post.. Feel free to prove me wrong...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:40 PM
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I'm sorry my relationship hasn't lasted long enough in your eyes. What is your point? I know many couples who just hang out with themselves 90% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:37 PM
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You haven't made one single point in any of your comments so far that actually attacks my ideas instead of my person. I will invite you once again, state your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:34 PM
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If you're not capable of producing an argument and simply popped in to say "Y-you're a loser unlike me!" then get out of my thread you mouth breather
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:33 PM
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A few things... First, the fact that you basically state that the only reason for a girlfriend is because you are lonely and she needs to fill the spot left empty by your floundering social life, is gross. You've got many paragraphs describing how difficult it is to keep male friends, get enough guys together to party, so insert woman here to get that off your plate. Where is the desire for her specifically? Where is the "I want someone to share my hopes and dreams with, to make a family with"? …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:31 PM
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Mhmm I'm sure happy people with friends and a girlfriend spend their time on debate subs attacking people lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:25 PM
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That's your subjective perception of my tone, not my problem you're too sensitive and get easily butthurt resorting to ad hominem attacks. I will refer you to your first comment which had no substance of an actual argument and was a literal ad hominem attack. You are either trolling, or you aren't playing with a full deck. I know you're in a tough place mentally so I won't hurt you any further by proving you wrong. But because it may happen you come across someone else less kind than me confront…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:24 PM
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I'll stick to hanging out with my gf instead of trying to make friends with seething miserable saps like you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:21 PM
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Ahhhh so you have no clue how to keep them. Current relationship is going on 13 months That is even worse. Uh, no. Not getting any action at all is worse than not being able to keep one. Are you gonna debate my ideas or did you hop in here just to insult me bc you're jealous?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:29 PM
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Not triggered at all lmao Then why are you seething and attacking me personally for no reason. If you were as attractive you wouldn't be crying on Reddit lol who are you trying to fool here. Attractive people can use reddit. And hot people don't need OLD anyway, IG and IRL is enough for them. There's still no reason for attractive people not to use it to get even more options. We get it, you tried the apps and it didn't work out for you. No shame in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:25 PM
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Lol why are you so triggered? If you're not hot enough for the apps you don't have to take it out on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:19 PM
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I don't think I can, I know I can and I have. It's called being attractive. And I also know numerous other guys who spend 90% of their free time with just their gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:18 PM
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Okay, my experience says otherwise. I've been in a relationships lasting a year with a girl and 90% of our interactions are just us two hanging out. It's not like I'm a recluse who never goes out but you don't need a bunch of active friends to keep a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:16 PM
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"The amount of people with no close friends has only quadrupled in the past 30 years" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:12 PM
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which is why you've admitted to meeting all your gf through OLD lmao. You still got a lot to learn. I'm not allowed to meet a girlfriend through OLD? You seem lost here, maybe try going back to 2012
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:10 PM
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Do you want the honest answer? -I don't like getting drunk -Most bars are far too loud to have a meaningful interaction with another person -The bars that aren't loud are almost exclusively occupied by people 20+ years older than me -People usually go to bars with their existing friend groups, if a single man starts talking to a group they will be weirded out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:09 PM
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I never said that people shouldn't socialize, you missed the point of this post. My argument is that a girlfriend will make you less lonely in the long term than going to random meetups in your city.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:54 PM
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The entire process of being intimate with a female makes me less lonely. The same is true for every other heterosexual male. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:48 PM
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The point was to imagine a guy who doesn't have a spouse today in his twenties aging into his 50s. The fact that you stated that the happy busy people you know are married proves my point. I think people should attempt to socialize, I do myself, but it's become increasingly difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:33 PM
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Did you read my post? I specifically stated this is from a Gen Z perspective. The Gen Xers I know are doing peachy, yeah. They formed their base social circles before the internet went mainstream and society became so atomized.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:29 PM
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It's possible, sure. My point is that it's one thing to maintain a friendship when you're in your 20s, but it gets significantly harder as you age, people become more busy. It is easier to just have one partner who you live with, spend most of your time with than to try to constantly arrange meetups with a group of busy adults with differing schedules. Who does an average 50 year old spend more time with, their spouse, or their friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:24 PM
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1358672/number-of-close-friends-us-adults/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:18 PM
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I don't disagree with all of your post, but you're ignoring several facts. The amount of time people spend with their friends peaks in their early 20s. People in their 40s can still maintain their friendships if they work at it, but they absolutely won't be spending as much time as they did when they were younger, and that is largely because they spend so much time with their spouse/family. Personally I've had no problem being successful at romantic relationships even though I've struggled with …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:16 PM
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Did you read the title of the post? It says "most MEN don't really have an effective way..." I didn't come to argue about the situation of women, but women are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:13 PM
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You may be right, but there's a growing number of disenfranchised men who don't have friends nor romantic prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:11 PM
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Holy fuck, talk about mask off. I actually admire you for being so forthcoming about what you really think. I for one do care about helping lonely men who are in pain, but I won't argue with you because it doesn't seem like I'm going to change your mind. I would just point out that if these men knew how much disdain people really felt towards them, the result might be something unsavory.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:09 PM
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If a man wants to come in here and debate me no problem that's why I made the thread - but yeah this may shock you but most men want wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:03 PM
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As a man who knows nothing of relationships, I am not sure you are in any position. What are you talking about? I said I've been in numerous relationships before? I hope we will get to a place where people do not feel reliant on others. We ar enot htere yet. People rely on other people, that's life, that is our ancestral environment, no man is an island. You pontificante on friendship but acknowledge you struggle with relationships. Perhaps you are more commited to how things should be rather th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:02 PM
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You don't rely on your spouse or friends for emotional support? Um, Ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:59 PM
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I'm honestly not able to speak on their behalf, I'm not a woman. I think they naturally are less likely to be lonely than men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:59 PM
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I'm not saying all guys can get into relationships. This post is not about me personally. The point is that it's understandable that almost all guys WANT to get into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:56 PM
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So what you think partners in a relationship shouldn't emotionally support each other? Insane take.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:54 PM
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"You're lonely and rationalizing it" isn't an argument. I could easily say you're rationalizing your decision to be alone. Humans aren't meant to live alone. But you're correct that I was lonely in the past and that is why I now appreciate relationships with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:52 PM
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I have almost certainly endured more isolation than you and that is what has allowed me to understand the value of human connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:49 PM
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Yeah of course I met them in person.... Edating is stupid, when I say met online I mean the mechanism for our first interaction was with a dating app. And I met plenty of women who were in the same boat who moved to a new city and didn't have friends themselves so they didn't find it offputting. I am not offering a solution to get lonely men into LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:46 PM
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-Women are on average more socially attuned than men and possess better social skills as a matter of nature. -Male spaces have been assaulted. -Women are welcomed into practically any social group they want just for being women, while plenty of groups restrict the number of guys so as to not create increased competition. Single guys are viewed with suspicion in general. -Women are still lonelier than in the past, so I would not argue that they have "overcome" the issues, rather that they are usu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:44 PM
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The majority of couples meet online. All of my girlfriends I've met online. Almost every couple I know that formed after 2020 met online. If you're a man who is good looking/good at marketing, it really is easier to get a girlfriend than to build a social circle from scratch.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:34 PM
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Women have stronger social ties, more social opportunities, have deeper relationships with their girlfriends, and can have short term or long term relationships with men at any time they choose, men have none of these advantages
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:32 PM
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Women have repeatedly said that its not. Oh great, thank you women for commenting on the male experience. This may be hard for you to grasp, but most men have much fewer and looser social bonds than women. "That's their fault!" No, it's simply the way society operates. Women are welcomed into more social circles and get closer to their girlfriends than guys do. In 21st century America it is not regular or feasible for an adult man to spend a large chunk of his day hanging out with his friends. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 12:10 AM
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Why are you assuming that traits like poor communication and lack of maturity are exclusively associated with younger women? I've met plenty of older, immature women and plenty of young women who were very mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 08:52 PM
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The male loneliness epidemic is a nuanced problem and hostile attacks against these men/claiming they must deserve it is ignorant & unproductive. There's a large group of men who just dont want to socialize. Sure, they'll complain about being lonely but dont expect them to put in much effort. So these guys wont stop playing video games alone and they wont try to find hobbies to bond with others over. Could these mens' behavior partially be to blame for their predicament? Sure. But the issue is y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 08:44 PM
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The lack of self awareness is stunning. "What did I make up? Be specific. What was my argument? Be specific" lol let me refer you to your previous post For the record, you made a bad argument, couldn't defend it, changed it, couldn't defend that either, didn't provide any sources to your claims, threw a tantrum, got exposed for being a friendless virgin and then threatened to send me pics of yourself to prove that you're cool and fuck Wow I'm astounded at how you manage to be so specific and log…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 05:37 AM
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Took you quite a while to finally admit I was right. You haven't been right about a single thing this entire exchange, you're just making shit up. You took a massive L and you know it because you made a failed argument, accused me of pivoting, and when it turns out I wasn't pivoting I was backing up my original argument which you never read you started coping. For the record, you made a bad argument, couldn't defend it, changed it, couldn't defend that either, didn't provide any sources to your …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 05:11 AM
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It's no one's fault. It's just...like not relevant to anything we were debating. Like I said, if it was important, you would have told me to read it immediately, and not 7 comments later after you ran out of ways to defend your argument. I...did lol. You made a claim, I refuted it, you changed your argument and then got mad that I wouldn't accept that because it was a completely different point from the one we were discussing. A quick recap of this god forsaken exchange. You reply to the third c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 04:04 AM
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I assumed I wasn't arguing with an illiterate moron, it was my mistake. "It's your fault I didn't read your original comment that spawned all the discourse this discussion is based on!" Keep coping. Remember when you accused me of getting emotional and uncomfortable? You're throwing an actual tantrum lol If you could back up the point you originally made, you would have instead of trying so desperately to change the subject. I've lost a little bit of my patience arguing with someone who was ten …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 03:41 AM
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So your current argument is bad because I didn't read a completely different comment that makes a completely different argument? Lmao so you didn't even read my original post. All of this arguing and you had no idea what you were arguing against. What a completely clueless idiot. "Waaah you had a completely different argument! You're not allowed to use multiple arguments!" Just pathetic lol. Cmon man. If you're going to lie then you need to curate your comment/post history better. "My social lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 02:25 AM
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Sucks to be them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:01 PM
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I literally addressed your argument, then you changed it to something no one was disagreeing with. Are you even reading what I'm saying? The idea of overcoming depression doesn't contradict anything I've said. It's still irrelevant to the idea of therapy being useless. You need to go reread the very first comment I made in this thread, that is if you even read it in the first place. Not my first or second reply to other comments where i express skepticism over the institution of therapy, read my…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 06:47 PM
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Cool, I'm proud of you for setting your own goals in this discussion. Unfortunately It has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about because I never disagreed with that. You stated that therapy doesn't cure depression and anxiety, I explained that the reason for that is that it can't be cured. Refusing to address my arguments by pretending they're irrelevant when they directly contradict your worldview is not an argument. If you're just going to go by your feelings then this is poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:35 PM
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This is the most ironic exchange I've ever encountered. You haven't presented a single fact sweetheart. You are the purest type of ideologue in existence. If you claim otherwise then refute me with facts in your next response instead of ad homs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:11 AM
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I notice you did not use the word cure. I notice how you don't have an argument. If I had said myself or someone else was "cured" from depression you would say "akshually it may or may not come back up we can't know for sure." My point is well defined in that it is clearly possible to overcome depression and never be afflicted by it again, yet therapists are often not able to grant this. That's not what I said. You approach drug addiction with the mindset that it's a lifelong condition you have …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:00 AM
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You haven't given me a single piece of factually correct information, I completely exposed you as knowing nothing, and instead of a counter argument you accuse me of ad hom and then proceed to do an ad hom yourself in the very next sentence lmao redditors are hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:40 AM
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You can't cure depression/anxiety. You absolutely can make a full recovery from depression or anxiety, tons of people have done so including myself. It may be chronic in certain cases but to approach these conditions with the mindset that you cannot overcome them is delusional. You have no idea what you're talking about yet you're asserting yourself as some person who understands science which is laughable. Even still, I know people who have successfully completed therapy and gone on to have ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:24 AM
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I know many people in therapy, and in no instance have any of them ever been cured of their condition. Yet we're to believe that this is totally normal and expected? I'm not saying no one should go to therapy, I'm saying people vastly overrate therapy as some sort of silver bullet unjustifiably while ignoring the root causes that make people think they need therapy in the first place. When you go to a doctor you get cured of your ailment. When you go to a therapist, your mental health may or may…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:50 AM
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Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound when you try to say "no you're just imagining it - people weren't any happier thirty years ago, more ppl are just getting help for their mental health", and ironically the "data" that you care about so much yet haven't cited directly contradicts your worldview. As an example look up the rate of anxiety among teenagers since 2010. You're a joke lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:43 AM
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Everyone I know who has done cognitive behavioral therapy has said themselves that it has not benefited them, can you and all the other therapy worshipers explain why despite more people than ever going to therapy, people are more depressed and anxious than they've ever been?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:26 AM
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You missed the point of my post. Can you tell me - why is it that even though the rate of people going to therapy has massively increased, society is more depressed, anxious, and mentally unwell?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:24 AM
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Which you already admitted that the only available avenues to deal with fatherlessness as a young man is…therapy and working through it. I never admitted that. There seems to be a problem with your memory, because you wrote that, not me. Find where I admitted that and I'll paypal you $10. My argument is that therapy is a woefully ineffective "solution" for a massive issue like this. If you want to argue that society as a whole can do things to prevent fatherlessness, absolutely, I agree. But in …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:00 PM
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Like talking to a brick wall. "Could it be that therapy doesn't help people? Of course not! You're just complaining and making excuses!" Do you have amnesia? I have already named a valid trouble - fatherlessness is a widespread significant issue in our society that is linked to countless negative outcomes, and no, working with a social worker or a therapist for few hours a weak is not an effective solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:50 PM
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What I am trying to impart on you is that your mindset of "all we need to do to fix societal ills is to set up an institution where people speak to someone with a MS degree" is a flawed oversimplification, and that you should be more willing to listen to men who have troubles with the current system and not so easily dismiss them. Every year more clueless people advocate for more "mental health support" and every year the collective mental health of society declines, I wonder why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:44 PM
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You don’t need to pay an outrageous amount of money, particularly if you have health insurance. Even if you don’t, there are cheaper options than [checks notes] $400/hr. There are still a significant number of barriers especially considering many of the people who need help the most are the ones with the least amount of privileges and finances. But the more important issue is that even if therapy were free it wouldn't do anything, because telling someone to reframe their thoughts to be more posi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:33 PM
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“Wait, you mean I have to take accountability for my actions and I’m the only solution to my problem!? Therapy sucks.” I support men taking accountability for their actions, what I don't support is the idea that men need to pay a therapist outrageous amounts of money just to be told they need to take more accountability and think more positive. What are these monumental issues that men can’t deal with all of a sudden? These “issues” that are immune to therapy? Are you seriously saying you cannot…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:24 PM
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"Have you tried paying a therapist $400 an hour so you can talk about your feelings with a middle aged woman who cannot relate to any of your struggles?" "Have you tried checking yourself into a mental institution?" You fundamentally lack the ability to even conceptualize the issues that young men face and that is why they refuse to accept your idiotic "help". Your mentality is simply "Um try going to therapy that fixes everything, if you don't want to you have no accountability you're just whin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:12 PM
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You missed the point of my response, I wasn't asking for your advice, and I'm not one of the men who needs help. I was pointing out that these support places for men are ridiculous and won't help any guy. You and many other women have a very narrow minded view that whenever someone has an issue with their lives we can set up a little support space, say "men don't need help look they have plenty of options they're just not using" and refuse to address the core issues that make so many men dysfunc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:03 PM
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Therapy Outrageously expensive and usually unhelpful. Therapy is a feminine institution that caters to the preferences and needs of women. Women like to talk out their emotions, men don't and rarely benefit from it. social clubs What does this mean? There's virtually no social clubs for men because that would be sexist and non inclusive. mental health institutions I have witnessed firsthand how these institutions operate and they are anything but helpful. non-profits Lol there are 10x as many of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:46 PM
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Options such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:31 PM
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I don't disagree that men have no real spaces for support, but I think you're placing too much value on the idea of therapy/men being able to talk out their issues as a solution. Doing this may help some men a bit, but talking about your struggles and emotions is a very feminine activity that women like doing and benefit from more than men. Furthermore alot of these mens' issues simply cannot simply be resolved by talking it out. When I think about the most screwed up men I know, it's gonna take…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:28 PM
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No, I think what's much more likely is that I marry a 25 year old when I'm in my early thirties, while women in their late thirties seethe and are removed from the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:15 PM
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I don't understand what you're arguing for. If you have time to sit around and find a new job after you lose one, that's time that you're not generating profit for some derranged oligarch, which as far as they're concerned is time wasted. Wait, but if you weren't able to find a new job after you lose one, you wouldn't be able to "generate profit for oligarchs" right? It isn't the 1950's anymore. Your success is a threat to the person in charge of your life. No? My boss/the company I work for vie…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:08 PM
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A 7 has pretty good options - the evidence is that much to your chagrin, you don't see 7/10 women with 5/10 guys, they're with other guys on their level. You are just making shit up imagining a guy who is a 7/10 being resentful that he married a woman who is a 7/10, people almost always date in their same league. How do men want women more than women want men? Men provide more in relationships. Who pursues sex and relationships more? Who signs up for dating apps more? This is extremely obvious. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:51 AM
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No 9/10 woman would be considered a leftover. If a 9/10 woman gets a 9/10 guy, she’s still getting a man in the top 10-15%. Your original argument was that women who can't get chads are leftovers who aren't worthy of any man. I don't buy that a 7/10 girl is "leftovers", a girl like that still has countless options for dating. It does lower our dignity because we are the ones that have to approach, plan for and pay for things. I'm sorry that you're upset that you have to do more work, this is jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:33 AM
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Most guys are OK knowing they're not going to be sleeping with and marrying literal models and actresses. You are the one declaring any woman who can't get a top 10% leftovers. If a 10/10 guy passes on a 9/10 woman in favor of a 10/10 woman, is she leftovers? You have delusional expectations. There is nothing that lowers dignity about a guy dating a girl on his level.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:24 AM
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I didn't say that I would be paying for everything, in this economy most women are going to have to work unless their husbands are making 200k+ or they are alright with very modest living standards. And that's just life, guys need to bring in money and put food on the table, idk what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:20 AM
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Why are you insulting my flair when your own flair makes absolutely zero sense? Most hardworking men who put in effort deserve better than a 5. Men are visual creatures, women are not. Yes, women take on the passive role. Which is why they should look better than the man. A 5 woman wouldn’t be a 5 mans match, it would be a 8 woman that would be a 5 mans match. Dude, I have tried to explain basic supply and demand to you multiple times now. There are roughly the same number of 5/10 guys as there …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:18 AM
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Okay. This is exactly why 80% of men shouldn’t date. You expect us to put in effort for women that we have to settle for. You're the one who is framing a 5/10 guy courting a 5/10 girl as "settling", that's not settling, that's just a guy pursuing a woman in his league. Most men’s dream girl is someone like Sofia vergara, Adriana Lima, etc. it’s not the average woman, yet you are saying we still have to be the ones that plan, pay for dates, propose, etc. Do you realize that the women you mentione…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:08 AM
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No, I really don't see an issue with an average man dating an average woman. As for the rest of your grievances related to "why do men have to do xyz while women can just sit there", look, I don't know what to tell you, this is just biology. Males are more desperate for females and thus compete for them. Women don't take an active role because they don't have to. I really don't mind that I'll have to pay for a ring so I can marry a woman and pass on my genes, I don't find that outrageous. Any ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:00 AM
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I sincerely hope this is a troll if not you have delusional and deranged views about dating. I have explained the laws of supply and demand dictate that 10s will end up with 10s, 9s with 9s, etc. Women could collectively improve themselves and the results would still be the chads picking the cream of the crop, and everyone else settling for someone who is approximately on their level. You are also engaging in paradoxical thinking where you say "A woman who can't land a 10 is clearly not worth sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:52 AM
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Ok, let me try explaining it another way with this hypothetical. Let's pretend I am a chad who is exactly in the 90th percentile of attractiveness, or a 9/10. After having plenty of fun with a variety of women, I pick a woman to settle down with. Understandably, I will almost inevitably pick a 9/10 woman. That is simply what makes the most sense... Obviously I won't marry a 6 if I'm a 9. Does this mean the 8/10 who wasn't quite good enough for me to marry is defective? That she is leftovers? I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:44 AM
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I don't understand how you can ignore extremely obvious realities... Do you understand that if chads are only the top ten percent of men, then they're going to pick the top ten percent of women? Out of basic supply and demand 90% of women will not marry chad. So do you see how ridiculous it sounds for an average 5/10 guy to look at an average 5/10 woman and say "That's a woman chad didn't want.... It's insane to expect me to take that!"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:34 AM
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My goal is to one day provide for a woman and family but not strictly "be a provider", marrying a woman who is only with you for financial reasons is a recipe for disaster. And while I'm good with being the main breadwinner, in this economy my wife will also have to work unless she is OK with a very modest standard of living. What if my money dries up or I lose my job? If that happens then get another one? If your financial situation is so tenuous you're worried about going broke or being unempl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:03 AM
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So your argument is that women who don't get chad are settling. The type of man you are describing who is tall, good looking, successful, and has a thriving social life is, let's just say 10% of the male population. That means 90% of women aren't going to be locking these guys down, period. So no, I don't think being in the 90% of women who don't lock down chad is quite the same as being an undateable guy. To be a guy who is undateable you have to have one or more pretty notable flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:38 AM
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You seem to be conflating WAW with a generalized distrust and disdain towards women. I don't see how that makes any sense. If your point is that men shouldn't be extremely anxious and negative about women, then fair enough, but nothing you've said refutes WAW in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:32 AM
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Cool, then are you gonna tell me "the point"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:17 AM
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I'm against being overly pessimistic, but that doesn't mean you can or should ignore the real impacts of WAW. As an example, if a couple who share the same friend group break up, the group will most likely back up the woman regardless of who is in the wrong, this is a simple reality and trying to be more positive won't change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:55 AM
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There is no situation in which I would date this woman unless I was 50+ and somehow didn't have a wife. Someone like this would be plan Z
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:05 PM
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I was once like you in that I was intimidated by the dating market so I resolved that I could be completely ok living by alone and playing video games. Is that the "harder path?" compared to providing for a family? I think your way is actually pretty easy the short term but you're probably setting yourself up for more suffering in the long term. But don't let me change your mind bc if you drop out of dating there are more women for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 12:14 AM
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A weak excuse to do what? Find a wife? start a family? You got me, I want to marry and procreate because it satisfies my natural drives and makes my wife and I happy. If you ask me the path of least resistance is living alone and never risk trying to participate in dating and rationalize it by saying people in happy relationships are "dependent" and "validation seeking" but yes, to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 11:50 PM
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Let me restate my position one last time: Wanting a relationship is normal. Finding meaning in one is fine. The issue is when a man needs a relationship to feel whole—when his self-worth is entirely tied to whether or not he has a partner. That’s dependency, not fulfillment. You have this idea that the way guys operate is they think to themselves "Do I have a girlfriend? Yes? Then I matter! I'm valuable! No? Oh no I feel worthless!" I fundamentally disagree because the reason guys seek girlfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 11:30 PM
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You’re still dodging the argument by reframing it instead of engaging with it. My post explicitly says: "Men need women too much. Not for survival, not for companionship, but for validation." That doesn’t mean men never seek relationships for companionship or family—it means too many men base their self-worth on whether or not they have one. If you actually read what I wrote instead of twisting it, you’d see that. I have disagreed with your claim in the most direct way possible - did you read wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 11:03 PM
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OP is very assertively making rash claims such as "the reason men want women is for validation" based off nothing. I made claims such as "it is in our biological programming to want to mate with females" which is actually true. For hundreds of thousands of years, humans did not live alone, they lived in tribes. Aside from the odd hermit, living alone is an extremely modern development. It doesn't sound like you're open to having your mind changed, so I will simply advise you to ignore your deepl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:46 PM
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You keep pretending my argument is vague when it's been clear from the start. My post literally spells it out: "Men need women too much. Not for survival, not for companionship, but for validation." The issue isn't that men want relationships—it's that too many men need them to feel like they matter. If you actually engaged with the argument instead of nitpicking phrasing, you'd see that. On what basis are you claiming that men seek relationships for validation and not for companionship or becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:27 PM
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You keep pretending my argument is unclear so you don’t have to engage with it. "Men shouldn’t need relationships for self-worth" is only vague if you’re deliberately misreading it. You even admit that relationships aren’t a need, so all you’re left with is ‘but most men still value them.’ No one disagrees with that. Because of your refusal to provide context, you claim that any attempt I make to engage with your claim is misrepresenting it. I will repeat the title of your post since you have se…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:45 PM
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I have told you on numerous occasions that you need to provide more context to your claims because making blanket statements like "men shouldn't need women to feel whole" are exceptionally vague and people can derive any number of meanings from that. For example it's perfectly reasonable to assume that if "men shouldn't need women to feel whole" that you think "men should be completely comfortable not having relationships with women", but when I inferred that you accused me of strawmanning you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:27 PM
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Your post is titled "Men Put too much value on women - you don't need them like you think." I have laid out in exhausting detail my arguments which you have mostly left unaddressed which explain why many men in fact do need women. It sounds to me like you have revised your position to be more moderate as you realize you cannot defend it. If your point was actually just "men shouldn't engage in destructive behaviors/rush into toxic relationships to avoid being single" then that is something virtu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 08:02 PM
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Wanting a relationship is normal. Needing a relationship to feel whole is not. That’s the entire distinction I’ve been making, and you keep glossing over it. This isn't a meaningful distinction - You need to provide more context when you say things like "men shouldn't need a relationship to feel whole". If you frame a hypothetical situation in which a man cannot tolerate a second of being single and will thus rush into toxic relationships, then I agree with you in that specific instance, but the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:53 PM
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Actually he has plenty of basis and lays it out very logically. If you can't be content on your own then definitionally you're dependent on someone else for it and will always have your balls in a vise. It doesn't even have to be a woman. Very simple. You need to define these vague notions like "ability be content on your own." MGTOWs often say men in relationships are "weak" because "they can't be content on their own and are dependent on someone else." I am more than comfortable spending time …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:12 PM
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You’re proving my point without realizing it. You say you have a good life—career, friends, health—but still feel like you need a relationship to feel whole. That’s exactly the issue I’m talking about. I'm not proving your point, I'm contradicting it in the most direct way possible. You say that men shouldn't need relationships because they can focus on xyz. I'm telling you that many men like myself have xyz and still need a relationship. Some men can be happy alone, some men can’t—but why can’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 04:03 PM
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What on earth are you basing these random insults off of? You don't know the first thing about my character. If you ask my gf she will tell you I am the most loving, caring, supportive partner she has ever had.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 02:52 PM
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No one’s saying relationships can’t be good. But the issue is when men think they need them to feel whole. A healthy relationship should be an addition to an already good life, not the foundation of it. I have a good life in terms of health, career, friends etc. and I still feel like I need a relationship to be whole. If hypothetically I could no longer be with women but everything else in my life stayed the same it would be very saddening, because friends, career, hobbies, etc. simply don't pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 02:50 PM
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When you try this type of preaching about how men don't need relationships, recognize that this is just your opinion, you have no basis for any of your claims about how can supposedly live wonderful, content lives without women. If you feel like your life is complete without a woman, good for you. If another man doesn't, then you can't just tell him he needs to be content on his own. I know a lot of guys who derive significant happiness from their female partner. If they were all alone there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 02:25 PM
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You can acknowledge that guys should try to improve themselves while also acknowledging that we live in a highly atomized, antisocial society in which social trust and public spaces have been degrading for decades, and there is essentially zero support systems in place for these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:12 PM
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You have an odd way of framing red pill. The purpose of the red pill is to give men a greater understanding of social and relationship dynamics between men and women. The red pill, broadly speaking, is for making descriptions, not prescriptions, so it doesn't make sense when you try to say that it tells men to be "slaves to their biological programming." Let me give you a fictional example of how red pill might help a guy. Adam cannot get a girlfriend because whenever he tries courting a girl, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:06 PM
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I don't see why you would call this is "weird". Unfair, sure. But I think it's well established that people are significantly more willing to castigate men than women. One of the core tenets of feminism is that shaming a woman for any reason must be made unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:52 PM
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I have a genuine question. What exactly is your plan - are you going to sign the birth certificate for your child or wait until your paternity test comes back, because if you don't sign it right away it will look pretty suspicious. But if you do sign it and it turns out it isn't yours, I'm pretty sure you're still legally on the hook.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:37 PM
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You don't understand Simping. Simping means the affection/attention is not reciprocated. Chads are still seeking approval from women every time they go out and try to get laid, even if they don't have to try very hard. You can desire and seek approval from women without begging or acting pathetically.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:06 PM
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It's totally natural for men to seek approval from women, but a guy should obviously not grovel or plead for a woman's affection as that looks pitiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 01:25 AM
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What are you asking? Why are older women trying to date? The same reason a guy who is 5'5 will still try dating even though his situation is suboptimal, how can he know his wife won't cheat on him for a 6ft+ guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:01 PM
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Social media and the pandemic did catastrophic damage to my generation's social skills. I'm sure a few people have healthy social circles but that is not the norm, because after 2020 it became hard to just hang out with people, everyone spends their time at school/work/home. I didn't realize until it was too late how essential it is to maintain a social circle and not let it drop to zero. Because if you don't have any connections and you're out of college, you're just screwed. You can try going …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 09:23 PM
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Everyone is anxious and afraid to speak to people they don't already know, so people stick with their own circles. This means many people have very few, and sometimes no friends, for example if they move to a new city, they might be stuck without any friends. There is no real way to meet people and date as a Gen Z. I think maybe college is the best bet. But if you can't meet people through college or your social circle, which many people can't, then your best bet is unironically using a dating a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 06:38 PM
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It doesn't have to do with me as an individual, my family has always just thought of dating as an extremely individualized ritual and trying to help me has never even occurred to them - but you're right that it has to do with culture. WASPs, which is my family, definitely don't do that anymore for the most part, but I know other groups such as hispanics for which it is still very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:19 PM
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Some random relic archeologists dug up doesn't prove shit. Men are not going to be attracted to fat women, despite how much you try to change the culture or societal messaging or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:16 PM
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Yeah I know that mutual friends has been a common way to meet people but I think the point is that this is happening significantly less frequently now, people have smaller circles, they don't socialize as much, they're much more hesitant to set someone up or be open for a date someone else set up unless he's an ig model.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:43 PM
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because beauty standards are quite changeable and also subject to social change. Citation needed, I don't believe this for a second. Beauty standards do not really change, this has absolutely been proven by evo psych studies, men are always attracted to a certain hip to waist ratio, no amount of social conditioning will alter that. Womens' attraction to men may be more malleable, but in the end they still want to date up almost all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:37 PM
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So do you have a counter to the point "taxpayer money shouldn't be used to pay for sexual decisions", because that's pretty damn important. I've said this before but it seems like if paper abortions went into effect, it would essentially incentivize men to try to impregnate as many women as they can, and then just walk away and leave the taxpayer on the hook for providing for the kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:34 PM
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Doesn't this prove him right? I can't imagine this type of way to meet someone happens at all in the current year. People don't set each other up any more. If I tell any of my family members "I need a date for xyz" they will give me blank stares.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:30 PM
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I literally just proved that you didn't read my evidence, despite all your clamoring that I need to substantiate my claims. It's not my fault you are objectively a laughingstock. Try again next time lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 02:35 AM
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I just proved that you didn't read the fucking article, retard. You thought it had nothing to do with NGOs. I'm embarrassed for you. This may be the worst I've seen someone get btfo on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:09 AM
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Ok yeah I don't see a point in continuing this exchange any further. To recap in this entire exchange you haven't made one single point or said anything of note, all you've done is offer vague challenges in the form of "you have no evidence!" and then aggressively misinterpret the evidence I do give you. I'm a little confused as to why you persist because you aren't even arguing for anything, this is just the most generic low effort reddit style argument of snark and "wheres the source tho"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:27 PM
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I bet you couldn't tell me what an NGO is without the use of an AI. There's no point in having this discussion with someone functionally illiterate who doesn't understand the first thing about politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:08 PM
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Cool, so you did not read past the first several pages
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 10:20 PM
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Alright genius, here's your precious source that literally proves exactly what I'm talking about. But here's the catch, I'm not gonna give you the quotes, you're gonna have to read it yourself. Firstly because it can't be summed up in just a paragraph or two. Secondly since you wasted my time by making me find this damn thing you have to read it yourself like I had to. https://escholarship.org/content/qt4pf7n8g3/qt4pf7n8g3_noSplash_5988b82db0c70c9b88c82c50091ffd91.pdf If your next response indic…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:53 PM
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Let me repeat myself since you're seemingly illiterate. Read it slowly this time. I could send a source, but it would be pointless because you think that something can't be true unless its reported on by a corporate media outlet. This discussion has already revealed you are incredibly ignorant to several basic aspects of politics, furthermore you haven't made a single point this entire exchange, all you've done is try to be transgressive by offering vague challenges to my claims, suggesting they…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:03 PM
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If you don't already know facts that basic, there's no helping you. I could send a source, but it would be pointless because you think that something can't be true unless its reported on by a corporate media outlet. This discussion has already revealed you are incredibly ignorant to several basic aspects of politics, furthermore you haven't made a single point this entire exchange, all you've done is try to be transgressive by offering vague challenges to my claims, suggesting they aren't true b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:48 PM
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I like it in anime because anime is not the real world and it's easier to suspend disbelief. In the real world, I view it as a form of aposematism, or in other words intentionally making oneself ugly as a warning sign. I almost never see attractive women with bright hair, it's almost always the redditor feminist types, and even if the girl doesn't look bad, I would still think she would be cuter with natural hair. Also, people in general are attracted to mates who look like them. Since I've alwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:27 PM
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In the current year feminism functions more as an ideology than a theory, it is no longer a fringe idea in academic circles, it is an ideology deeply rooted in current culture that our politicians and the state department are deeply invested in. Much of our aid to places like Taiwan and Japan is contingent upon them adopting pro feminist and lgbt policies. Promoting feminism globally is near the top of their agenda whether you're aware of it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 08:17 PM
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hurr durr its impossible to go to war over ideology Is your IQ in the single digits?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 05:56 PM
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Where in my comment did I claim women were worshiped? And do you realize that even a woman who is not hot and young is usually going to have significantly more social capital than an average guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:48 PM
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oh boo hoo, you aren't being worshiped, you have it so rough. I didn't say all women were worshiped, I said they had more social and romantic opportunities than men, and they do. If a woman keeps a healthy BMI she will be graciously welcomed into almost any group she chooses, people will enjoy having her around, she doesn't need to be interesting or cool or a model despite what you may think. If you think people aren't being nice to you now, you wouldn't last a day as a man. Unless you're a real…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:38 PM
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A woman will have significantly better social and romantic opportunities than a male of equivalent attractiveness. Everyone loves and welcomes young women, as a young man you need to have some sort of skill like being good at sports or having great charisma if you want people to respect you and women to be attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 09:36 PM
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So you have no counter arguments, and are just crying and seething because men refuse to go die in foreign wars to defend feminism. Surprised, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:36 PM
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Dude, you really need to stop psyching yourself out and go talk to women anywhere besides the internet. Giving up on interacting with the opposite sex wholesale because you spend all your time on the liberal echo chamber that is Reddit is just so ridiculous I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it. Young people really are screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:19 PM
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For the record I think college isn't that great of a way to meet women, but it's still better in comparison to almost any other option. The optimal strategy is to strike a balance and pick a major that isn't "worthless" while at the same time utilizing other options such as clubs, greek life, etc to expand your social circle to the point where you are in contact with many women. Just bc you can't meet chicks in an engineering classroom, and it's generally a bad idea to major in social science, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 06:58 PM
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I really shouldn't need to explain this to someone who is ostensibly over 18, but here goes, I'll try to put this in the simplest way possible using small words, but you should probably still read it slowly a few times. A politician wants to be popular. This means a politician will not usually openly say "I dislike x demographic", as that turns out to be a way to garner controversy! Does this mean that it is impossible to figure out whether politicians favor some groups over others? Well, it may…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 04:02 PM
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Erm I need a signed statement from congressmen saying "I hate men" , or else you have le no evidence that congressmen hate men! You are ngmi buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:18 PM
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You are operating under the parameters of what you wish reality was, I am operating under the parameters of what reality actually is. I am describing reality when I say a woman will be turned off if her man breaks down crying because another man said mean words to him. Also, men who complain about women not empathizing with their struggles are just as clueless as you. No one is ever going to empathize with a man's struggles, least of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:24 PM
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You derailed the topic in the first place, this thread is about whether people use "being honest" as an excuse to be a bully, but you decided you want to argue that bullying is common in adults which is pointless and subjective. The reason men kill themselves is not because they're "getting bullied". A grown adult man should be able to handle another guy talking shit to him. If a guy cries to his wife about how men at work are bullying him she will leave his ass nine times out of ten.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:05 PM
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Get a clue. According to democrats young men are oppressors trampling on precious women and other protected groups and according to republicans young men need to step up and work harder to fund their social security.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:01 PM
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Listen, there's a reason most bullying happens among school children, it's because of two reasons, 1) they're in an environment where it can be impossible to avoid/ignore each other 2) they are kids who haven't developed the agency or strength to stand up for themselves You can cry victim blaming, but all I'm saying is that your husband is a grown man who doesn't have to take shit from other men if he doesn't want to. But it does require showing some backbone. Women also don't support men who ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:28 PM
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I said it doesn't usually exist outside of middle school. Your example doesn't prove anything, because there's so much missing context. I highly doubt it was impossible for your husband to avoid/report/ignore these guys, or you know, stand up for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:56 PM
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There's a lot of context I don't have in this situation regarding your husband, but if he was actually getting harassed over a disability to the point where he couldn't complete his job, it really wouldn't be difficult to build a case. Also, I don't think those men were using "being honest" as an excuse to insult your husband, which was the entire point of this thread, so I don't understand how your story is even relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:30 PM
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Your story doesn't make any sense. "He had to quit his job because of bullying?" Let's assume that it was impossible to avoid/ignore these particular coworkers. If your husband was smart he would have told his superior that he was going to threaten a lawsuit due over workplace harassment making it impossible for him to do his job. This type of shit just doesn't fly in our current culture of safetyism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:57 PM
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What on earth is LPS? Why do you think this would cause women to suddenly sleep with more moral men? How do you suppose that would increase the amount of children in wedlock? What is the basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:47 PM
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For the second time, DJT and Musk are not responsible for declaring war, that is congress
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:41 PM
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I'd define bullying as repeated, targeted harassment from one specific individual to another. But I've never really seen this occur in the real world past high school at the latest. I just don't understand in what context a 25 year old could develop a "bully", could you give me some examples since you claim it happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:27 AM
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I am curious - who exactly conducts bullying past the age of 14? What kind of person has to worry about "bullying" after that age? The only thing I could really imagine would be workplace bullying, but if your workplace is worth two shits they will definitely not allow that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:44 AM
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Bullies also don't really exist in real life past middle school. And bullies don't give two shits about justifying their behavior by saying "it's honesty bro"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:34 AM
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If men are allowed "paper abortions" every man simply has an incentive to impregnate as many women as possible to spread his genes while leaving the taxpayer on the hook for providing for the kid. Ridiculous idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:29 AM
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As long as you can acknowledge that your logic and perceptions can be applied in "multiple situations" then I don't have a problem with it. I've just met countless women who say "crime statistics say men are le evil!" and then turn around and say "noooo you can't stereotype a certain race there's so much nuance and socio-cultural factors that you need to take into account!"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:14 AM
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I really don't think you would agree with the statement "Because people of a certain skin color commit more crimes, it makes sense that people would be weary of them compared to other races." Yet in this exact argument you're espousing is "Because men commit more crimes than women, it makes sense that people are more weary of men/have more positive perceptions of women." You can argue that there are social-cultural factors at play for race, but I can argue that they also exist for gender (an exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:07 AM
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Ok on one hand I don't disagree but on the other hand - and this is PURELY a hypothetical - if I were to apply this logic to another "certain demographic" I feel like most people including you would lose their shit. Do you get my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:47 PM
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I get what you're trying to say, but there's instances where a guy is still valid in having grievances with the WAW effect, for example people taking the woman's side by default, people see a guy angry and a girl crying and assuming the guy is in the wrong. The fact that direct male aggression is higher than female aggression doesn't justify this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:37 PM
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When I referred to "People who hate young men" I was referring to political elites, not the general populace. The populace doesn't decide to declare war, congress does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:31 PM
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I agree that assholes exist. But I have no idea what the hell you mean by "substantial amount". I read the post and there are at least twenty positive comments from men for every negative one. Everyone knows that women are less directly aggressive than men, but that doesn't mean guys who take note of the WAW effect are necessarily wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:29 PM
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If you mean women would be more likely to gossip behind his back then I agree, if you mean more likely to insult him directly like men are supposedly doing to this post then I disagree. I've met very few women who are combative and aggressive enough to want to do something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:25 PM
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A draft is not tenable (in the US at least). You're talking about people who hate young men trying to send the young men who hate them back to get shipped off to a faraway land so we can protect feminism and lgbt rights in a foreign country. I'll take my chances fighting a press gang.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:23 PM
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I saw the post, and I think it's a classic case of more comments being upset about mean comments than actual mean comments. I seriously had to scroll pretty far to find a "mean" reply that wasn't "You shouldn't take flowers on a first date." Yes men are more disagreeable than women, and there's a minority who will talk shit unprompted. But I don't think these guys really care about justifying their behavior by passing it off as honest. And also I know this is an outdated viewpoint but I don't th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:19 PM
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The internet has made it easier and safer to be an asshole, this is almost exclusively an online phenomenon. I really doubt anyone who knows the guy irl would say something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:50 PM
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You do realize that most people you have seen over the course of your life are average or near average, right? Average means someone who is not notably attractive or unattractive. I really don't understand how some people can struggle to comprehend the idea of an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 08:55 PM
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No, what you said was absolutely not a "reproductive reality," it was your personal subjective opinion: The statement "If society x has a dramatically low birth rate, society x will cease to exist/be replaced" is a statement of fact, not my subjective opinion, regardless of how emotionally charged it makes you. The idea that I only have a "personal stake in the future" if my descendants exist in it is an opinion. The idea that by not having children, I'm "removing my personal influence on the fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 08:16 PM
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Unconditional love is one of the biggest farces in the world. It does not exist in any contexts. All love has to be based on conditions. Imagine you've been dating your partner for 5 years, and then all of the sudden their personality does a 180, and they behave in the exact opposite ways that made you attracted to them? On top of that they become physically repulsive, unhealthy, and intentionally make themselves as ugly as possible. Imagine they become a criminal. I think what most people mean …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:21 PM
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No, this is male solipsism, and a contributing factor behind why I made this post. I don't understand how you can consider reproductive realities as "male solipsism". Men who claim that society will collapse if there aren't enough babies are correct, it doesn't matter if you think they're being solipsistic. I don't have to have children to "influence the future." Jesus never had any children, and honestly he's one of the biggest influences on the future who ever existed - down to the calendar we…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:43 PM
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I didn't say there weren't "potential benefits", my comment alluded to a massive drop in birth rates, as in the majority of women not reproducing. If there is a small, manageable decline, then we won't have major problems. If the vast majority of people stopped reproducing, we would have problems so big that they greatly outweigh your perceived benefits
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 01:49 AM
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At an individual level no one can really say that a particular woman has a duty to reproduce, but most women in a society choosing to not reproduce effectively means they are choosing to commit societal suicide. You seem to already be aware of this, but if you want my personal opinion, then no, they don't have a duty, as long as they have no qualms about effectively forfeiting the future of their society. For example, if 90% of women in the west decide "I won't reproduce because of xyz", that wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:25 AM
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Women are pickier than men news at 11
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 07:40 PM
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I don't believe the stats, or if the stats are real they are misrepresented. Personally I've known countless women who act like straight women, have only ever dated guys, and yet refer to themselves as bisexual because they kissed a girl once and they want to seem quirky and interesting. Believing that 1/3 of women are queer/trans/lesbians is just not in line with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:31 PM
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Because I have recognized that mainstream cultural narratives regarding dating, sex, and relationships are a lie. While I agree with most core tenets of red pill ideology, I think several of their strategies and ideas are ill-conceived Because of a lot of grifters in the space, too much extremism, too much victimization, basically acting like feminists Not really I don't see how it's possible for me to unlearn hypergamy and other aspects of female behavior. The longer I live the more my life exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:19 PM
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I don't think you understand the degree to which raising their standards literally isn't an option for many guys. If you're an average/below average guy getting a few dates a year and you tell them shit like you want to split the bill even before you go on the date, your dating success will be non-existent. The truth is, the only way to get what you want in a relationship is by being honest and upfront about your desires and expectations. Doing so not only saves your time but also respects the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 12:32 AM
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666 isn't a great metric to measure the SMV of a man for several reasons. In some areas, six figures isn't that much, whereas in others it's basically unobtainable. Instead of six figures the benchmark should be "at least slightly wealthier than her." Yes women are obsessed with height, but in most countries men who are over 6ft are less than 20% of the population, and again it comes down to "at least slightly taller than her." The 6 pack abs is probably the least relevant - first of all very fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 07:27 PM
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I know that my solutions don't currently exist, that's why I'm talking about hypothetical ideas - what I would wish to change. Your ideas do exist and have been implemented and that's why our education system is trash and men hate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 04:41 PM
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I feel like I am dealing with aggressive illiteracy here. You claimed that states like TN aren't flyover, which is straight up wrong. I don't care to debate this topic any further with an uneducated person who is so confidently incorrect. The fact that select cities in flyover states have more population compared to most areas in flyover states is irrelevant, if you go to cities like Nashville you will see more young fit people which proves my point. This is to say that I didn't grow up in a bac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 04:36 PM
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Literally all ten of those are flyover states, moron. You're getting way too hung up on my anecdote while not addressing the essence of it. There's no point in quibbling about obesity stats, so let's pretend that instead of overweight, my issue was that I had alot of acne. I would have been ridiculed all the same. And clearing up the issue would have stopped me getting ridiculed. This collapses your worldview, because it shows that people are shallow and superficial regardless of how good your "…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 03:02 PM
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Obesity is common because of old people and people in, for lack of a better term, "flyover" states. I'm just telling you what happened to me, it's not my problem that it collapses your worldview. Society is competitive, alot of people are assholes, and if you have a "weakness" you can expect to be ridiculed for it, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:42 PM
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My lived experience contradicts your beliefs. Most people young people in cities in the US are not fat. Also you gonna respond to any of my other arguments or just take the L?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:34 PM
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Your post doesn't "prove anything" in the first place, can you explain what it proves and how? I live in America. There may be a lot of fat people here, but that doesn't change the fact that I got treated like dirt for being overweight, and getting laid became 1000x easier when I was lean. USA is ultra shallow, looks focused country.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:20 PM
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You seem to have a worldview very deeply rooted in the just world fallacy, wanting to believe that people who are constantly preaching about how shallow and superficial the world is are doing something to bring it on themselves, but this isn't the case. Regardless of "the person on the inside", everyone will face positive or negative treatment because of their looks. Let me give you an anecdote, for a brief period in my life I was slightly overweight, and every single day the people I knew would…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 02:08 PM
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My solutions are not "concrete" because I won't lay out a thousand page education plan in a reddit comment for you to just ignore, I was broadly explaining what the system would aim to achieve, not the specific ins and outs. The things you've suggested on the other hand are completely idiotic. When I say that men like to compete for status amongst each other you say "We can just use quiz bowl for that." Completely missing the point, it's like you want them to hate school even more. And "So you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 01:53 PM
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You have a very rigid style of thinking. "Make school more competitive" "So turn it into quiz bowl???" Provide social status for successful students "So pay them???" No, you obviously don't need to pay kids to give social status. Again I'm not laying out a comprehensive plan in a reddit comment, but it would involve social engineering so that a kid who performs successfully in school gains social status and becomes popular and admired by peers. Men enjoy competing for status. The quarterback in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 02:26 PM
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How do you gamify education then to make it like a sport in a way that quiz bowl does not already gamify it? I'm not gonna lay out a comprehensive education plan in a reddit comment, but when I say overhaul the purpose is to think outside the box, not just making a quiz or test into a competition, there could be some kind of interactive activity done in groups that requires decision making, leadership, etc. You just aren't able to conceive of any type of education that doesn't involve sitting in…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:59 PM
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Ah yes because quiz bowl gives you so many tangible rewards and so much status among peers. Give me a fucking break. I wasn't talking about slightly modifying the education system to make test results public or to give more quizzes, I was talking about an overhaul, in which the process of going to school becomes more like an actual game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:47 PM
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The point of my original comment was to refute OP, who is clearly talking about a "close" friendship. If the point of your reply was to tell me that you think people can be friends even if they aren't close, then cool, have a nice day
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:30 PM
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That's fine and all that you think you have so many friends, but given the context of how OP is defining friend, your definition is clearly not what they're talking about. So what on earth is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:26 PM
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So we've established that your definition of friendship is exceptionally vague, and someone you hang out with once every five years can be a friend. Got it. Sure you're not neurodivergent?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:21 PM
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I think you're gonna need to give a more precise definition than "liking someone and seeking to socialize with them", can you define specific parameters for proximity and closeness required for friendship? Someone who you see once a year could fit your definition of friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:16 PM
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This does happen. A woman just went viral because she got a PhD from a prestigious university for writing a thesis about how calling people smelly is racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:13 PM
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Care to elaborate a little more? Who is "we"? What do you mean by friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:58 PM
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That's not what an acquaintance means, no idea where you're getting this definition from but there's nothing that says you need "deliberate distance" in order to be someone's acquaintance. If you wanna say that the guy you talked to for ten minutes at a party is your friend now, then that's fine, but considering OPs post clearly is not talking about that type of "friendship", then what is the point of your post?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:49 PM
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I think it's important to draw a distinction between friends and acquaintances. I think alot of people, especially women, tend to overuse the word "friend". If a woman says a guy is her "friend" but in reality they've just talked a handful of times, then whatever, she can call him her friend, but OP is clearly not talking about this type of "friendship".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:26 PM
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Isn’t this what grades and test scores already are? All that would need to be done is to post these. I know that my nerdy self was very competitive with my nerdy friends in school. In a way that's gamifying the results, but I was referring to the process itself. Turning in homework and taking tests to get the best score isn't exactly a competition in the way that things like sports and some video games are. I think that the bigger issue is that too many men are anti-intellectual from the beginni…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:13 PM
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I'm going to imagine that you're talking about an actual "friend", not an acquaintance. If a guy is just an acquaintance who is just seen occasionally, then yes it is probably possible for him to wait a long time before making his move. However if a guy is an actual "friend" as in they're spending significant time together each week, it is much more advantageous for him to express romantic interest early on when he is still considered a fresh, new person in her life. If he waits years, she will …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:16 PM
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Complete overhaul of the education system. Something where the objective is not "sitting in a lecture and being able to do the busywork you were assigned". One idea is to "gamify" school and make it more competitive, men will be more interested. Purge of cultural Marxism (aka wokeism) in academic and corporate environments Reduction of female only scholarships/privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:11 PM
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It's a good strategy but not at all for the reasons you mentioned. It's good to have female friends because that equates to more connections, because almost all women have female friends, basically you should be trying to date friends of your friends. Regarding your reasoning, this can maybe only work if 1) she has to be at least somewhat attracted to the guy in the first place 2) The guy doesn't wait too long. A girl probably isn't going to start dating a guy she's been friends with for two yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:05 PM
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I don’t disagree that building meaningful connections outside of romance is more challenging in today’s world. But saying “community is dead” feels more like a mindset than an absolute truth. While adult friendships require more effort due to work and distance, they’re still possible and valuable. Modern community might not look like it did in Ancient Greece, but spaces like online groups, local clubs, and shared activities still offer opportunities for connection. I'm sure this type of friendsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 06:23 PM
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Fair enough, let’s call it a belief instead. But the belief that “no women equals loneliness” doesn’t universally hold true. While it might be the case for some men, it isn’t an absolute rule. Loneliness stems from a lack of meaningful connections, not necessarily romantic ones. Many men find emotional fulfilment outside of relationships—through friendships, family, or community—which can be just as impactful. It may not be universally true, but the crux of my argument is that due to the way soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 03:31 PM
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I don't care about being a drop in the bucket to cause long term cultural shifts. Again there's no reward for this, there will be no fruits to your labor besides maybe making dating easier for men two generations from now, if you actually "win." My physiological and emotional needs require me to seek a partner. If the dating game is "unfair", then I'll just find a way to win, no matter the cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:51 PM
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You’re making the same assumption many other red-pilled men do: that “no women” equals loneliness. That’s simply not true. It doesn't make sense to call my opinion/belief an "assumption", and just assert it's "not true", I could do the same thing for your beliefs. I hold this belief for good reason - in many cases for men it absolutely does equal loneliness. I'll explain why. Men without a strong social circle are better off building meaningful friendships rather than jumping straight into findi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 02:48 PM
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I'm a pretty grateful guy, don't get me wrong. But the idea of spending several decades coming home from work to an empty house isn't very appealing to me. All the gratitude in the world won't change the fact that humans are wired to want connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 12:57 AM
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I don't agree with this sentiment. There may be some truth to it, in that happy people are more likely to land themselves in a happy relationship. But I think if you took an average happy guy and subtract any sort of relationship from his life, he will probably be less happy in the long term. Life is a tough thing to do completely on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 10:14 PM
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I agree with all of your descriptions - they are spot on. The problem is your prescriptions aren't tenable. If you refuse to play the game as a guy, you don't win anything, you don't change anything, you're just setting yourself up for a lonely existence. It may be shallow, but learning to take a few cool photos for IG a year isn't that steep of a price to pay for access to mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 09:34 PM
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On one hand, I wholeheartedly advocate for as many men as possible to remove themselves from the dating market, so please don't let me change your mind. On a serious note, there are a number of serious drawbacks to a lifestyle of celibacy that you seem to be glossing over. There's a lot of overlap between men who struggle with dating and men who don't have a large social circle to begin with. If a guy doesn't have close friends, it's probably even more important that he find a life partner. If a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:49 PM
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Tying it back to the title, these guys never look closer at the women these asshole attract, but dont let low quality get in the way of large quantity! I don't really see how this premise is supported. Most women, esp when they're young, are attracted to the "good looking asshole" type, I'm not sure how that supposedly makes them low quality women. I've never met a woman who tries to date "less hot, but kind/virtuous good personality", basically all women go for hot guys. Guys shouldn't blame th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:53 PM
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I see now. You WANT to be around women like that for a confirmation bias. This isn't about what I "want" to be around. You have this bizarre mindset as if "prioritizing women with a good personality" (whatever that means) is somehow going to spawn those women into a guy's life. I'm telling you from observation that most women are "shallow" in that a guy must have looks above a certain threshold in order for them to consider a relationship, and that the better looking the guy is, the more the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 10:41 PM
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WHO CARES? Why are they the only types of women he seems to know? This matters because if there are scores of women sleeping with & dating guys who are above their league, it kind of undermines your thesis and proves that most women are shallow. That's exactly whats happening. Most men do well with women despite allegedly being considered ugly I wouldn't really say most men do well with women, I would say that the average guy struggles and maybe gets a bit of success here and there, but there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:13 PM
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I never said guys were not shallow. I know that guys care about women being hot above all. We are in agreement that guys are shallow, but you seem to be under the illusion that "many women are not shallow, guys just focus on the ones who are". Wrong. Its because those shallow girls are hot and dont vet that much. A girl doesn't have to be hot to be shallow. Plenty of average women batting above their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:37 PM
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Perhaps the reason guys here cant find women who prioritize personality…is because the guys dont want to be around women who prioritize personality. I'd argue that most people, men or women, don't "prioritize personality", or more accurately that personality is secondary and is not taken into consideration until factors such as looks, status, etc. are met. Personality might not be the very very first thing that’s looked at, but considering most guys get laid and are dating, the first hurdles of …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 05:27 PM
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They certainly can. But if you are a male in your twenties who wants a partner that can assuredly give them several kids, meeting a woman who is over 30 is less than ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:40 PM
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Sometimes I feel like I'm living in a separate reality. All singles events I've ever been to have been sausage fests, and the few women are always over 30. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just find it very odd that my lived experiences are the opposite of what so many people online report.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 02:45 PM
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You're drawing a pretty ridiculous conclusion based on nothing but speculation. The reason girls are picky & turn guys down isn't because they're consciously or subconsciously thinking "He's not going to invest enough in my offspring", in fact it's nearly the opposite, when women are young and selecting partners on dating apps for casual sex they couldn't care less about "potential paternal investment". Paternal investment only becomes a factor when women are looking to settle down, and it's alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 06:17 PM
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Joe the regular ass accountant is not going to be dragging you into an alley on your date. It is extremely easy to identify impulsive, violent individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:58 AM
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Guess what, if you pick a normal guy who isn't a convicted felon, the odds of this happening to you are very low
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:08 AM
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Can you explain how your tiktok meme is relevant here?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:07 AM
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Do you understand the irony of calling the person who just eviscerated you retarded? You didn't win on a single point, you had to backtrack and ignore my arguments multiple times because you utterly failed to produce any sort of coherent argument during this entire exchange, while simultaneously talking down to the guy who is kicking your ass. I'm extremely embarrassed for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 01:25 AM
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I'm glad you've acknowledged that you're unable to defend your position or counter my arguments, not everyone can do that. Also holy shit, are you being ableist right now? This type of behavior is morally reprehensible. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 12:08 AM
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Curious - are you gonna address any of the other arguments I made in my last post? If you ignore 99% of my post I interpret it as "I give up." When selecting a car, you certainly need to consider numerous factors, much like when you select a partner. That does NOT mean it is easier to sell a car than to purchase one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:37 PM
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Technically speaking you don’t have to be a car salesman… In any other conversation, besides the one where you are trying to prove a car salesman wrong, or a car purchaser for that matter. Go find a car salesman who doesn't believe that selling a car is more difficult than choosing a car. There may be an instance in which a delusional car purchaser believes purchasing is harder than selling. In that case that person is just delusional and not in touch with reality - their "subjective experience"…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:07 PM
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I've already addressed this argument. You don't get to say "You're not a woman so you don't understand." I don't need to have experienced men trying to court me to know that being courted objectively takes less effort than doing the courting. In the same way I don't need to be a car salesman to know that selling a car is harder and takes more effort than choosing a car - this is just an objective statement about reality. Why do you keep arguing with me on the subjective experience that you don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 09:12 PM
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Wow, I've never seen so much schizo babble combined with lack of reading comprehension. I said I'm NOT gonna dig through your comment history just so I can try to figure out what the fuck you're talking about. You don't get to say "I've had this same conversation with OP" I don't know care about what you talked about with OP, respond to my arguments or concede. The rest of your comment is just baseless schizo babble and failed attacks. "You are the kid who failed algebra and argues with me about…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:45 PM
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I'm not gonna read through your comment history. Are you conceding, or are you gonna respond to the arguments in my last post?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:31 PM
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I'm glad you conceded and tried to come up with something less ridiculous. Unfortunately this new argument still sucks. "B-but you haven't experienced it, therefore you can't make any comments about it whatsoever!" is an extremely dull take - you don't really believe this, do you? If so then any time a woman tried to say anything about men you'd shut her down with "You're a random imbecile commenting on something you haven't subjectively experienced", right? I don't think so. I don't need to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:24 PM
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God you're slow. Let me explain it again from the beginning. Please read this a couple times: I said that a woman selecting a male partner is analogous to someone hiring for a position at a company, in other words, a hiring manager. Hiring manager != "Corner office/C-suite level executive whatever." YOU brought that up, not me, and I disagree with that completely because it because that's completely different from my original analogy and it doesn't make any sense. Just because you're responsible…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:35 PM
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Can you stop replying with irrelevant nonsense? What are you even talking about? I brought up an analogy in which I compared women to hiring managers, and for some reason you started sperging out saying that people in the corner office work hard, which I don't disagree with. But that's completely irrelevant and fails as an analogy because women don't have to work hard and a woman deciding who to date is not comparable to c suite executives making ultra impactful business decisions. Honestly this…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:06 PM
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Wow, I've never seen someone fail so badly at comprehending an analogy. You're comparing a woman selecting a man to someone who worked hard to be in the corner office. That doesn't make any sense. Women don't need to grind for years in order to be able to choose a guy to be their boyfriend. I've been in both positions of job seeker and hiring manager. Your answer tells me that you certainly haven't, because if you had you would know that being the one doing the hiring is in an infinitely more fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 06:16 PM
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Is it easier to be an employer or a job seeker? Is it easier to be the person trying to sell bananas, or the person browsing them and wondering if they should buy? I can't believe a topic like this is "up for debate." The level of delusion is off the charts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:09 PM
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White nationalists are not "using" Trump, Trump is using them for their votes and then appointing moderate establishment neoconservatives
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 05:05 PM
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I think your proposed solution is very vague. We must become independent men; stressing meanwhile that independence must not mean loneliness. I don't understand how this can be accomplished, it's just feel good speak. There's a good reason men are concerned with getting a woman. If you fail to get a woman, you're most likely going to live a very solitary life. That's just the way society is structured - going to work, go home, no communal living or real communal spaces. People don't really spend…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:04 PM
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The reason organisms have sex drives is to reproduce, yes - whether or not they are consciously aware of that is beside the point. I am unsure why you are confused by this. I can see since you only responded to half my post so I guess you're tired of getting eviscerated, so I'll leave you be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:32 AM
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Lol no Many women had no choice, they weren't "driven" to it Like is that a for real belief of yours? Every single one deliberately had children because they were "driven to do it?" No, there was a lot of lack of consent - and absent that, lack of birth control Did your female ancestors never once get horny, in their entire life? If a person has a sex drive, they are driven to reproduce. Coulda fooled me You clearly have attitudes and beliefs that are destructive to society, the whole "Everythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:55 AM
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No, humans are not mindless animals We have higher cognition Delusional statement, every single one of your ancestors was driven to reproduce. It's just that a few gullible people in the modern day have been manipulated and propagandized into believing having a family is slavery. Please stop trying to convince me of this, it's really fucking bizarre. People in the world exist with different desires than you, it shouldn't matter that much to you at all. Why do you care so much that a random woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:18 AM
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Every organism is wired to pass on its genes, your biological imperative is to care, despite how much you can try to insist otherwise. But genes aside, is there really anything more rewarding and fulfilling than creating a family? Making spreadsheets at your job? Wine? Netflix?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:06 AM
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The classic nihilist "Well because there will be the heat death of the universe in a trillion years nothing we do matters!" Yes certainly, I agree, please remove yourself from the gene pool at once. It will certainly benefit humanity for people who are confused enough to view forming families as slavery to exit the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:55 AM
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Ignores opponent's arguments Declare victory Flawless victory indeed. I am just glad that the people who share your beliefs will be bringing their genetic lines to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:41 AM
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Why are you responding to your own post, can you try responding to mine?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:34 AM
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My "debate style" was to simply observe that you thought you'd done something when you really did nothing at all Your debate style is to appeal to authority in the form of "Erhm, you need a respected authority such as a corporate media outlet/academic institution espousing your viewpoint in order for it to be valid". This is a low effort, uncritical strategy. Again That which is asserted without evidence Can be dismissed without evidence It's a waste of time to "engage with a claim" that had no …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:17 AM
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Lol what? Where is that coming from The reason I am referencing Destiny and other liberals is because your debate style and tactics is interchangeable, as I've explained the only thing you can do is the NPC "source???" response whenever I make an argument So It's a debate sub You made the affirmative claim I'm debating it There's no requirement for me to make any claims of my own in turn. Merely engaging with yours is enough Stop trying to learn to argue from Fate You are NOT engaging with the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 01:29 AM
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You and every other liberal use the same playbook and it's atrociously ineffective: Never make a positive claim When the opponent makes a claim, say "Well that's nice but you don't have a peer reviewed study supporting that, everyone knows that it's impossible for something to be true unless there's a peer reviewed study AKA the Mainstream media & institutions say that it's true." You still haven't engaged with any of my points because it's apparently "too many words" for you. I'm asking you to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 01:06 AM
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Stop trying to learn how to argue from Destiny. "No you can't argue based on reason! You can only give a peer reviewed study for everything!" I'm asking you to engage with what I'm saying. You can't do that because you aren't able to formulate a coherent worldview, the only thing you can do is screech that none of your ideologically captured institutions say that I'm right. Reread the last sentence of my last post and answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 12:50 AM
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I already referenced a study on declining female happiness, and there's a Pew survey that found that over half of young liberal women have been diagnosed with a mental health condition, but you're missing the point. You're gonna keep demanding I provide a peer reviewed study saying feminism makes women unhappy. It's impossible to base your worldview around "muh peer reviewed study". Most of feminist thought revolves around much more baseless conjecture than what I've said. Not a single academic …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 12:41 AM
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Everything I just said about declining female happiness is true, look it up. When I say "every single" woman that's called a hyperbole, the point is not that literally 100% of women on earth are unhappy, I'm just emphasizing that the vast majority are. "Well actually not every single independent woman is on antidepressants! Only 2/3rds are! Checkmate!" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 12:01 AM
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I didn't "say two separate things without tying them together", you just aren't capable of connecting the dots, so I'll elaborate further. Look up "the paradox of declining female happiness". Then think for a moment about why is it that the more independence women gain and the more "progress" we make, womens' happiness declines absolutely and relative to men, year after year. Why is it that liberal women report lower happiness than conservative women and use antidepressants more? There's no such…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 11:47 PM
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Ah, yes. The eloquent refutation of "Lmao. No." I accept your concession.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:48 PM
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I wonder who has been assaulting mens' spaces for decades
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:02 AM
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You misunderstand a few things. Womens' value does not "take a nosedive", it steadily declines. So if a guy and girl pair up when they're both 20, the moment they turn 31 the guy will not be like "well this sucks she's ugly, time to seek out younger women." Sure his wife is gradually losing her youth but he is too and he will most likely not even be able to attract much younger women. A guy won't throw away a good relationship just because he and his wife are aging. The point is that if you wait…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:56 AM
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I wonder if this behavior has anything to do with the plummeting rates of female happiness... Every single "very independent" woman in her thirties is on antidepressants. They can cope to varying degrees of success, but regret awaits them as they get older and lonelier.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 12:48 AM
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I don't know what country you live in, but it certainly isn't the US. COVID made normies here extremely neurotic for two whole years. Sure a few broke the rules or didn't care, but for the most part people obeyed lockdowns and minimally socialized. Things are slowly recovering, yes. But it set back many young people years socially, the impact cannot be understated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:02 PM
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You must be living under a rock if you are unaware of how almost everyone has become drastically less social in the past several years, largely due to the event that happened four years ago. There is an incredibly noteworthy difference in the average person's behavior, I'd kill to have the social scene society did back in 2019. Furthermore, What exactly are you arguing for? I never said struggling guys shouldn't go out. I said that going to bars and clubs alone is usually pointless and ineffecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:16 PM
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I leave my house all the time, I never advocated for guys to be shut ins. I just don't go to clubs and bars alone because that is an ineffective way to meet people as a guy in 2024. I'm assuming you're older than your 20s - let me tell you that young people are nowhere near as social these days as they were in past decades. If you were going out alone 10-20 years ago then yes, I can believe that you had good results. In 2024, if a 5/10 guy goes to bars every weekend and just stands there & doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 07:36 PM
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It depends on if the guy is seeking a woman with an open fertility window. You are correct that if a guy with decently high value wants a family he will obviously avoid 40 year olds. But some other men will settle for "breadcrumbs" if they're desperate enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:54 PM
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If a guy has a group to go with then sure, but what exactly is going alone going to accomplish? I think you're vastly overestimating the ability of "autistic loners" and underestimating what is likely to go wrong. How should an "autistic loner" approach a group of normies and have anything resembling success? In my experience if a group contains women the guys will be quite hostile to you popping up and trying to get to know them, and girls almost never go to these places alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:51 PM
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I've never had a woman ask for body count before we had sex, so I've never had to lie personally, I just behaved in subtle ways implying I had experience. I don't see how that's "fucking someone over." What's actually common is women lying about their body counts to men, will you admit those women are fucking men over because they're pathetic?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 11:31 PM
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To everyone saying "Lying will catch up with you/she will figure it out" Even assuming the girl kicks you out of bed immediately afterwards every single time, that's a better outcome than remaining a virgin because you never get it in the first place. Then eventually after enough lying you've built experience and it will be the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 05:31 PM
1

I think your record says otherwise big guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:24 PM
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I'm seven. (In other words off limits, sorry big guy). Now that I answered, how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:13 PM
1

I think the real question here is how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:00 PM
1

Hitting on me so desperately? Yikes, I'm afraid I'm not interested in submissive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:48 PM
0

Nice argument. I'm old enough to be your dad kiddo.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:07 PM
0

This thread is talking about submissive men. How on earth does letting a girl on top of you make you submissive??? Almost every man who has had sex has done that. And what does Tate have to do with anything? You clearly aren't very bright.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 06:25 PM
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Don't seem to understand the concept of having different behaviors for different situations You don't seem to understand human behavior. As another poster above pointed out, our lizard brain doesn't have the capacity to truly differentiate between private and public behavior. If your woman sees you acting like a submissive b*tch in the bedroom then that is what she will subconsciously clock you as no matter how accepting she claims to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 02:54 PM
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Wow you're so tough big boy. Behavior in the bedroom is reflective of one's overall mental state - you can't just submit to a woman in the bedroom and expect her to perceive you as being perfectly dominant and masculine outside of the bedroom. I suppose it can be ok depending on the cirumstances for a man to "sometimes want the woman to take charge" but if any man, no matter how big and strong, behaves extremely submissively the woman will subconsciously see him as submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 02:27 PM
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Submissive men will be pushed around and subjugated by more dominant men. Which position would you want your offspring to be in? This is a very stupid question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:42 AM
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There is no alternative, because people don't have social circles past college. Society will continue to become more and more profoundly antisocial. I think what is most likely is that dating apps that emphasize the user experience will be used more than the currently popular ones, which hinder user experience for profit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 03:39 AM
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So if you believe relatively average/slightly above average women can attract wealthy 8+ men for LTRs doesn't that prove that women have very high standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:28 PM
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Women can attract those men for casual sex obviously, but not for LTRs. Overweight/Obesity affects women just as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:24 PM
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While it is not incorrect to say that many men today are mediocre, I would counter that men of the past were never that "good" comparatively, yet relationships did not seem nearly as broken. It's probably true that young women are out earning young men, but I don't really believe that most women CAN'T find a guy who earns more than her, especially considering women typically date slightly older men. Outside of men who are overweight and obese, I think most men are generally "taking care of their…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:07 PM
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It sounds like you're exaggerating or you need to move to a better city lol. I live in a US city with about half a million; I'll go through each of your bullet points Dancing Club/classes/school There are at least three or four dance centers/studios that offer classes in my city, mostly populated by young people. I find it unusual to believe that there isn't a single one in yours. RPG shops everywhere Again, I think there's between 2-4. Animecons every weekend There's 3 yearly in/around this cit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:49 PM
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Anyone who thinks government childcare is a successful solution is an idiot. This issue cannot be solved by throwing money at it. We will ensure that flexible working hours, remote and hybrid work and other working arrangements may become available options through labor-management agreements. just lol. South Korea has one of the worst work life balances and the government making empty proclamations will do nothing to fix that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:08 PM
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My app would only work if it was the only one. This culture of abundant options is what drives people to be unsatisfied with any of them. People should strive to improve relationships instead of ghosting for the tiniest thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 03:09 AM
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A hyper intelligent AI is fed a bunch of data on the users and does auto-matchmaking. It will match you with one person every three months. If it doesn't work out between the two of you, you have to wait another three months.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:43 AM
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An average guy can still be in a relationship if he has a good social circle or luck. It's wrong to say being tall, wealthy, etc. are requirements for relationships, but they certainly help.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:10 PM
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There are a lot of variables not accounted for in your scenario. How old is the woman in question? What is the guy's income and net worth? We can't determine if the guy in the scenario is BB if we don't know how much he earns. If she's 30 and he's extremely wealthy then it's more than likely he's BB, if they're both 18 and in college probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:33 PM
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They don't like kind guys either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:06 PM
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What? In what way does what I'm talking about bear any resemblance to the historical racial segregation in the US? Nothing is "separate" here, we would never separate the two genders. I'm saying NOT separate and NOT equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:25 PM
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I get that... But the thing is that they don't HAVE to replace sex with friendships and social life. Maybe they would have to forsake a serious relationship if they wanted to be extremely active in their social lives, but there's no possible scenario in which a woman has to choose between sex and friendships/social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:55 PM
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What's the point of asking a question like this when no woman will ever have to go without sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:39 PM
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We will never be able to stop talking about double standards for as long as we keep pushing for radical equality between the sexes. The only solution is to abandon idiotic notions of total equity between the sexes, acknowledge men and women are different, behave differently, and will sometimes be treated differently by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:27 PM
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Because of the eradication of male spaces, a lack of romantic love/sex and loneliness is one in the same. After college as an adult male you just won't be hanging out with your friends every day, meaning if you don't have a romantic life you probably don't have anything at all. The way society is structured, where every day you just go to work and go home, is inherently isolating, if you aren't living with someone else you will very likely feel loneliness. If we had more male only spaces men wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:22 PM
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You're being way too reductionist. The idea that all, or even the majority of male loneliness is caused by men aiming for casual sex instead of relationships is false. There may be a lot of men on RP who talk about not wanting relationships and preferring casual sex, but in reality most truly lonely men would be very happy to get in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:10 PM
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Acknowledging the red pill means realizing that mainstream cultural narratives regarding dating and women are a lie. There's no basis for the belief that all red pill men are addicted/anxious or whatever. You're just projecting stereotypes onto them. Sure there are some individuals in the rp community who are afflicted by those conditions, but pretending it's all redpillers is a sweeping generalization
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 12:27 AM
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Why is this response so tonally different from your others, did you write it while drunk or something? And half of your disorganized rant is about things that aren't relevant at all to the discussion, talking about old red pill moderators and Nick Olivas. Red pill is not hateful, it just uses rhetoric and language that are admittedly sometimes unsavory, but that doesn't mean its hateful. You just perceive any ideas that may be slightly critical of women as hate and try to silence them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:44 AM
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If you figure it out let me know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:21 AM
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The biggest factor is social circle, and status within the social circle to be more specific. You could be in a town of bumfuck nowhere but if you have a friend group that includes 20 women your age and you are well respected within your community, then you are likely to do better than if you're a friendless guy living in NYC.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:03 PM
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Evolutionary psychology is a joke. Let's just dismiss an entire field of study because you certainly know better Your "statistics" are a single poll that you guys lovingly fondle like scripture. I pointed out your faulty interpretations. Pew Research Center gives us some of the most comprehensive, reputable data out of any sort of organization in the world. If you're someone who values data, you will trust the work they put out. "B-but the data doesn't align with my personal beliefs!" Tough. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:33 PM
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David Buss is probably the most prominent evolutionary psychologist in the world, so a researcher in his lab is not "a guy with vague academic credentials". Most people don't study this stuff for a multitude of reasons, probably primarily because it would go against the mainstream cultural narrative. This is hilariously ironic given that our entire exchange is me refuting your ideas with little more than vague gestures toward reality. Meanwhile all you have is appeals to the "authority" of this …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 08:02 PM
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Your inability to reason is almost impressive. It is, I just explained how. I just explained how it isn't. Since you still don't know what a conspiracy theory is I'll tell you: Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. An actual conspiracy is "Bush did 911 and the government is hiding it from us", a conspiracy theory is NOT "female nature causes women to behave in certain ways" The fact that you are presumably a grown person who doesn't know what a conspiracy theo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:12 PM
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Your expert is a PhD student. He doesn't even have his doctorate yet. He's working in the greatest evo psych lab in the world. Show me the alternative academic, scientific authorities that are conducting research into this phenomenon, I'd be happy to see what they have to say as well. He is simply saying things that you want to hear. It's science. The fact that you don't like it doesn't matter. Even if it was some random guy and not an expert, "he's saying what you want to hear" isn't an argumen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:54 PM
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Except it is, because they're claiming this is a recent development. And if you're claiming that red pillers don't claim women are conspiring together, then I invite you to read the frothing rage that emerges anytime Female dating strategy, feminism, mainstream media, or society's "gynocentrism" is brought up. It is consistently claimed that these things exist as a strategy by women to oppress and exclude men. It's not a conspiracy, you don't know what a conspiracy theory is. Redpillers are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:23 PM
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Red pill is absolutely a conspiracy theory. I don't really see how you could disagree with that. They literally believe 80% of women are conspiring to exclude the vast majority of men from the dating market except when they decide they want to take said men's money and baby trap them. It's delusional. You've just proven you literally do not know what a conspiracy theory is, nor are you familiar with redpill ideas. Please go learn what it means to "conspire". They're not saying "80% of women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:50 PM
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Relating to gender, the issue is that the current manosphere TAKES AWAY women’s experience INSTEAD OF promoting and supporting men’s. It does plenty of promoting and supporting men's. What do you mean by "taking away women's experiences"? That is why specifically in this instance too, respect and support of women would do well. It changes the narrative of men being seen as oppressors in contexts that they are not. Every other ideological framework within the mainstream narrative respects and sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:43 PM
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Your viewpoint rests on the false implication that everything is inherently fine and any attempt at theorizing about mens struggles in the dating market is a conspiracy theory on par with bush did 911. "There are issues in the dating market" is red pill nonsense Explain. It clearly isn't, these are real issues. You just won't accept any of the core RP ideas because they run counter to your worldview, even if these ideas are sound and make valid points.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:18 PM
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you're wrong in your very first sentence. You've inadvertently just perfectly demonstrated the 1000 light year gap of understanding between these disenfranchised men and mainstream society. "I'm lonely and there are issues in the dating market" is the literal crux of what these men are feeling, and yet you deny that this is valid. There IS something wrong with dating that needs to be fixed, you just cannot accept it because it doesn't feel wrong to you. And dating IS a market that obviously does…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:06 PM
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I disagree especially as someone who identifies in groups that have been historically marginalized. It's precisely because of the use of terms like "historically marginized" that these men aren't going to garner sympathy. The mainstream cultural narrative is not at all concerned about men's struggles precisely because this group is painted as the oppressors, so acknowledging their struggles would undermine the greater feminist narrative. Combine this with the fact that people are just instinctiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:29 PM
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Society WILL NEVER connect with their experiences because it doesn't understand them and doesn't care, no matter the rhetoric they use. To your average bluepill normie, a man saying online really respectfully that "I'm lonely and there are issues in the dating market" won't mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:14 PM
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You can also seek support and sympathy from friends or therapists. Talking about these issues in real life isn't socially acceptable precisely because the mainstream narrative demonizes men's struggles so much. And misogyny existed long before a bunch of dudes on the internet unironically adopted the term "red pill" to gamify their misogyny. There is no "misandrist narrative." There's just bullshit that misogynists invented to silence women. I could probably count on one hand the number of times…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:12 PM
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This is not at all an unbiased sample. People who have issues are generally going to be the ones who come to the internet to vent about dating. Also, the kind of person who complains about their personal life on public internet forums is already a member of a self-selected, non-random group. You're trying to find any means necessary to deny the problem. If the dating scene is as fine as you say, why were these issues not happening prior to ~10 years ago? There is no record of anyone from past ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:59 PM
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One subreddit where my posts will get a few upvotes from faceless guys on the internet is not adequate in terms of "support and sympathy". "They'll just ignore me anyway" is simply an excuse to spew misogyny and red pill garbage while still bemoaning that nobody cares. The misandrist blue pill garbage parroted in the mainstream narrative has existed since before the manosphere's rise. The unsavory rhetoric came as an opposing response to the same type of rhetoric on the blue pill feminist side. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:47 PM
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The process of "looking" can still be enjoyable. Men who are dating and enjoying casual relationships with women while in the process of finding a long-tern partner are not necessarily "unhappy". This is a massive cope... Look around at the comments you see anywhere on the internet relating to dating. No one can say with a straight face that people who are currently trying to find a partner are "enjoying the process of looking." All of them would rather be in a happy relationship. Only an extrem…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:38 PM
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About half of the single men in that study were looking for a relationship, while about half were not. So we can say at best half are "happily single". I mentioned in another comment that William Costello, the foremost researcher on celibate men, has proved that the advice generally given to these men does not work. It's just gaslighting and an all around lack of critical thought to think that generic dating advice is going to work for these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:28 PM
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Society would ignore these men even if they were to adopt a more respectful tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:25 PM
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Going to a dating advice sun and getting angry that you get dating advice is silly. I agree with this, I'd go even further and say posting on a dating sub altogether for any reason is silly. However it is equally silly to give these men the standard bluepill cookie cutter advice they've heard a thousand times and expect them to respond positively.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:04 PM
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This may be a shock to you most people aren't expecting to receive profound, life changing advice when they post on the internet. Some people offer advice that's slightly more useful than what you give, maybe he's looking for that. Or maybe he just wants to relate to other men in similar positions. The only thing certain is that shoveling on more bluepill "advice" is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:56 PM
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You don't know what you're talking about. The study I'm referencing is including men and women from ages 18-30. 63% of men in those age brackets are single, while 34% of women are. Women dating 2-3 years older doesn't account for this, not in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:53 PM
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It clearly isn't working, because 63% of young men are single, twice the rate of women their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:32 PM
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I said in my first comment that if they're venting they're looking for sympathy. You should also assume that a man who is complaining has already heard of and tried the standard advice that is given everywhere else on the internet and in real life, so restating it would be superfluous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:30 PM
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William Costello, the foremost researcher on celibate men, has proved that the advice generally given to these men does not work. It's great for you if "be yourself, be fun, be open minded" managed to get you a relationship but the reality is that your advice is not useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:16 PM
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"You're cringe" and "They just shouldn't" are not arguments. This is proof that women against passport bros have no arguments besides social shaming tactics. Take notes everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:03 PM
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They're venting because the generic advice is terrible and everyone on this sub should know that by now. Bluepillers on this sub basically admit that bluepill advice doesn't work. What kind of cognitive dissonance is required to parrot the same points about dating advice when the person giving the advice knows it doesn't really work?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:00 PM
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And yet he's not a genetic dead end if he can impregnate an east asian girl. You're literally admitting you want these men to die alone and miserable instead of having a fulfilling dating life, sounds to me like someone is bitter because they know they can't compete with the women in these areas...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:52 PM
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If they're venting they just want sympathy, or at the very least not "Um sweaty you need to work on your personality and take a shower."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:49 PM
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If a guy has to go to East Asia to get laid, he shouldn’t be having sex. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:46 PM
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It should be rephrased to say only top tier men are the gatekeepers of commitment. But it is certainly true that these top tier men are the gatekeepers, there's countless women who want relationships with them but are often only used for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:36 PM
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If a previously unattractive man wins the lottery, the fact that he won the lottery will not "make women squirt", but he still might be able to find women willing to enter a relationship with him for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:30 PM
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I couldn't possibly care less about the opinions of strangers on the internet. Your arguments being invalid isn't my opinion, it's fact if you want a debate try r/politics Oh I'm sorry... I thought this sub titled PurplePillDebate... was a sub for DEBATE. It was my mistake to expect debate here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:42 AM
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I'm awestruck by how articulately you're able to defend your ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:38 PM
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You have so little self awareness. Saying "never change reddit" is an insult, you're the one derailing. My comment debunking your strawman has not yet been refuted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:16 PM
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Loses argument, proceeds to say "Never change reddit, never change". You are truly one of the greatest intellectuals of our time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:52 PM
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Guess its your anecdotes vs mine
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:54 PM
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This is the most ridiculous and delusional strawman I've ever seen. When did I say to approach women by stuttering and using canned lines? Try to respond to the argument that I actually wrote and not the one you imagined I wrote
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:52 PM
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Yes demographics certainly play a large role. And young people (both men and women) are such shut ins that you end up with an environment where these groups are filled with just older people, or desperate guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:38 PM
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I pointed out the issues with clubs and bars in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:35 PM
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You can get human interaction from work, but dating through work is highly inadvisable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:28 PM
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Yes they exist, but the fact that people are not frequenting them as much is the problem I'm describing. I don't wanna go to a meetup that is mostly people 20 years older than me and only 20% female.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:25 PM
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This is idealistic thinking based on nothing. You will have better outcomes if you manage to find numerous social venues with favorable demographics, than if you don't, independent of mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:23 PM
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Trying to approach a woman on the street with zero context is bound to be infinitely "more awkward" than if you approach while you are engaged in an activity or a social environment. If you don't believe this you're delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:56 PM
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We're in agreement that online environments inflate womens' standards. But you'd still have a higher chance at finding a woman to say yes if you could meet them organically at social venues than trying online.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:54 PM
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I agree, part of the issue is a lack of investment, and a sense of disposability when it comes to meeting people. If you lived in a small town you didn't have the possibility to meet new people every night so you made more of an effort to get along with the ones you knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:48 PM
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It's largely due to technology. Aside from the rare hermit, you would not survive in a village without socializing. Now people can easily get by in life while having zero close connections
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:46 PM
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Every church is filled with people thirty years older than me, it's not a very good option for finding a group of peers my age or a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:42 PM
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I think we could see businesses pop up in the future given the loneliness epidemic, but it's a bit hard to monetize. It's only the places where there's alcohol involved that are easy to monetize.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:41 PM
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Women complain all the time about being hit on while they're going about their day. Gen Z girls especially are antisocial and I've found do not respond well to just starting a conversation out of the blue. And I have never seen an outdoor hobby group that isn't over 80% male.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:36 PM
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MGTOW is not a powerful enough cultural force to be the core cause of the decline of marriage. The decline of marriage is primarily driven by women, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:51 PM
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I have only said 1.It is well documented that people with fewer premarital partners experience greater satisfaction and lower divorce rates 2. People who just enjoy casual sex with others and don’t want to be tied to one person are hedonists, and society would collapse if everyone did this. If this makes me a jerk I guess that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:02 PM
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All women have much higher standards. Only some men are failing. Every woman has access to every guy in her city thanks to social media and OLD. And this culture of "never settle, get the best possible" makes them allergic to an average guy on their level. Most men are not failing, gym culture has surged and many guys are trying a lot harder because they have to. Still a portion of guys have given up and aren't putting in effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:57 PM
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You're welcome to live like a hedonist but if everyone did what you do we would see no stable families and society would collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:01 PM
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Do you understand that culture and the dating market has changed? Meaning "Your ancestors did it" is not a valid argument. If a short guy from today was instead born into a time period of culturally enforced monogamy he would have a significantly easier time reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:13 AM
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Almost everyone does that It's true that almost every woman is doing it. Only a minority of men are. The men who aren't are invisible to you. It is well documented that people with fewer premarital partners experience greater satisfaction and lower divorce rates. Sleeping around offers no upsides. It's just hedonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 09:42 PM
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It doesn't exist. No woman can be voluntarily celibate. They may be feeling lonely, yes. They may be unwilling to find a guy that meets their standards, but it's not the same as the male equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:40 PM
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It's not going to die out completely. Young women already are out earning men on average, and we will see lower marriage rates as a result. There still needs to be a system for monogamous relationships, even if said relationships are declining in frequency, and that system is marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:30 PM
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I'll be sure to remind short guys that their bad efforts are their issue, not bad luck. Your worldview is hopelessly rooted in just world fallacy. Take a shower, get a haircut, and changing clothes is useless advice for sexless men who have already tried that (which is most of them).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:28 PM
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Both men and women no longer want or desire to sleep around, date casually, have many different romantic partners etc. Women drop their disney relationship ideals and instead date pragmatically, being realistic about the type of man they can get, and not wanting to constantly date up and never settle. OLD and any social media that is tied to your personal identity is disposed of entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:31 PM
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Where exactly in person are you supposed to go? Women complain all the time about being approached in person. "I'm just here to work out" etc. Gen Z women especially are going to be freaked out if you just approach them on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 04:00 PM
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Social skills and social circle are some of the most important factors for men finding mates. Most men who struggle with dating aren't in environments where they can naturally socialize with women. This creates a cascading effect in which their social skills deteriorate and they never learn how to talk to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 02:20 PM
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Everything you said is just conjecture. The facts are that over 60% of 18-30 men are single while only 30% of women the same age are. There are very many young men with a job who cannot find a mate. It's fine if you say to them "You aren't entitled to anything, don't expect a girlfriend" but don't be surprised when they give up on working and life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 02:09 PM
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The social contract used to be such that all a man had to do was be stable and get a job, and he would get a wife. You're correct that you're getting paid, but many men aren't interested in working just to spend the rest of their life alone in their apartment. Money alone is not enough of an incentive. Married men, especially those with children, work many more hours because they have a reason to. Your attitude will induce more men dropping out and greater societal decay.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 02:00 PM
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If the rewards for participating in society, working hard, being a "good" man aren't there, More and more men will drop out of society. Society is not entitled to my labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 01:16 PM
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We agree that monogamy is important but you're wrong to think that there's a genetic influence. We've only had a few thousand years of culturally enforced monogamy and hundreds of thousands of years of polygamy. It's not possible for a substantial genetic shift to occur in such a short time period.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:31 PM
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Monogamy hasn't been around long enough for it to have an effect on genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:21 PM
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The problem is that women who find introverted stemlords attractive are rare and in high demand, so most of those guys have a hard time finding them even if they try to "focus on a certain demographic"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/19 11:56 PM
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I like how he just has a fistful of cash
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/19 04:54 AM
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Dude how is his personality gonna get him tinder matches
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 04:51 AM
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In what universe are women attracted to muscular men? In fact I see skinny pretty boys doing the best with women tbh. Having a jacked body with an ugly face is not what women want; I don't see many good looking guys lifting at the gym it's usually average or below looking guys. Being ugly & in shape > being ugly & out of shape. I agree, someone who has a nice face and doesn't lift a lot of times looks better than an average guy with muscles, but what should you do if you're ugly/ don't have a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 10:04 PM
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A man who has high SES is not necessarily attractive, whereas a man with good genetics but low SES can still get laid, though he might have trouble getting women from a higher SES to actually date him. edit: typo
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 11:25 PM
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Because a man who is weak has zero value as a partner, and are often useless to society
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 11:15 PM
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Nice blogpost
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