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Women do objectify men for their bodies. Especially if the men are universally ugly. They consider us to be subhuman and believe we should be ok with no woman ever wanting us.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:24 AM
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Isn’t that basically what a passport bro man would do?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:01 AM
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I’ve always been amazed that the men around me found a woman who wanted to be with them. Who wanted to go on a date with them, hookup with them, be in a relationship with them. Some of them made it look so easy. Yet no woman ever has felt the same way about me. Like I’m some sort of freak to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:16 PM
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It certainly helps having those things in life and is a an attractive aspect for a man to have when it comes to dating. But I do believe if you asked a man he can only be the most successful in one area between finances, career, general success and dating: most men would pick dating as the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:38 PM
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I don’t think anybody disagrees on the idea of socializing being healthy but rather the issue/debate has to do with the who, what, when, where, why and how of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:21 PM
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I think in today’s modern dating and expectations of it, yes. But one could argue that there is a shortage relationship material women out there as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:07 AM
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I never compliment because I’m too ugly to do so. I would easily get called a creep for even trying. The risk isn’t worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:03 AM
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If anything the only way to meet women in 2025 that’s realistic is through friend matching. Dating apps are shit. My location area doesn’t host any singles events/speed dating stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 02:15 AM
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So do you agree with black pillers when they say they’re entitled to sex and relationships? Because everyone else does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:42 PM
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It’s still a privilege. It might be a privilege that everybody takes apart of but it’s still a privilege. Otherwise, black pillers were right on the idea that they have a right/entitled to be in a relationship and have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:36 PM
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Because the amount of men who actually get a relationship from a warm approach vs the men who don’t through is the determining factor of the advice being helpful. Not the idea that most relationships start off with a warm approach of sorts. And there’s still men who do warm approach and still end up with nothing over those who do. Therefore the advice is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:30 PM
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They absolutely are privileges. You don’t need to ever experience dating, sex, relationships, etc in order to live a life. It’s just the same way as driving car. It’s not a right but a privilege to drive a car even though a ton of people drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:19 PM
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Because the advice should have a higher success rate than it does if the person follows it to a T. But since it doesn’t, it’s bad advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:16 PM
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The issue is that there is no helpful advice even if their attitude was a positive one. People may think the advice they give out is good but it’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:08 PM
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I mostly agree with this. Only things I’ll push back on is that you have to read the room and approach only in the appropriate times and places. And right now, only some men have no options right now. But I do think that number will increase in the decades to come.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 09:42 PM
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And all of those happened due to emotional connection and mutual attraction for each other. It’s not like she picked the first guy she saw and told herself I’m going to sleep with him no matter what right? It doesn’t have be 50/50 between connection and attraction. It could be 25/75, 85/15, etc. But both are needed in order for it to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:09 PM
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Emotional connection and interest for each other. Before you got down to business with someone, you probably chatted/got to know each other somewhat. Plus you both are attracted to each other enough to get it on. Had one of you not have one of those things, you aren’t sleeping with each other. Therefore getting those things from someone and vice versa is the hard way. With seeing escorts, those things aren’t needed and get replaced with the idea of a transaction. You paid her money to get it on …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:42 PM
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Actual dating experiences that are both good and bad. The creation of the pills and manosphere didn’t happen overnight and it didn’t happen from one man’s mind either. If more men were successful in dating, relationships, sex, etc then this subreddit most likely wouldn’t exist. You may still get hardcore black pillers but they would be guys who truly had no woman that wanted to date them. Whereas today, there’s probably a lot that a woman would date if they weren’t black pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:27 PM
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Because of the belief that she actually doesn’t want to have sex with strangers but does because she has too. She’s forced to do so (especially if they are controlled by a pimp.). That if she has her life together, she wouldn’t be doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:02 PM
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Emotional connection and interest for each other. Before you got down to business with her, you probably chatted/got to know each other somewhat. Plus you were both attracted to each other enough to get it on. Had one of you not have one of those things, you aren’t sleeping with each other. Therefore getting those things from someone and vice versa is the hard way. With seeing escorts, those things aren’t needed and get replaced with the idea of a transaction. You paid her money to get it on wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:59 PM
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Why do you care if I do complain or not? I’m just a random dude on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:44 PM
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I personally don’t but some may see it as taking advantage of someone during their most vulnerable time. There’s also the idea that losing your virginity via an escort shows that you took the easy way out and not the hard way like others have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:33 PM
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Nope. You don’t get to decide when I can and can’t talk about things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:17 PM
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Ok. Point is still the same. Telling us to shut up will result in the opposite in what you want us to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:10 PM
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Going on dates, being in relationships, having sex, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:08 PM
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I’m guessing the two biggest reasons for this would the issue/idea/concept of consent and the overall selfishness of having the man’s needs met but never the woman’s needs
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:01 PM
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Again telling us to shut up and stop complaining about it will only make us want to complain about it much more frequently than we already do. Especially if you are speaking from a point of privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 06:52 PM
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There’s nothing wrong with wanting to go on dates and all. There’s also nothing wrong with the desire to have sex/hookup either. The main issue is finding someone who’s willing to do those things with you. I don’t know why we are told that we can’t look for it because it’ll happen when you at least expect it. Stuff like that can be really contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:37 PM
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I’ve asked for their help before but they can’t/don’t want too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:06 PM
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Yeah anybody telling me to stop complaining about this stuff will only result in me wanting to complain more often about it. Basically the total opposite of what you want from us OP. Also if the person who tells me this has experienced being in a relationship before, my desire to complain will only increase. Also the reason that men will complain about this is because they didn’t get the results they had wanted/hoped for from their actions. And once they feel like any action they do won’t matter…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:03 PM
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But if they feel like they can never get what they want after trying everything, it’s all more the reason for them to rope. They believe in that because that was the end result of them trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:46 PM
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30 actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:41 PM
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Well that’s great that your autistic friend has friends and can get girls numbers. But autism is a spectrum. I can do exactly the same as your autistic friend and still end up nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:41 PM
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It is tremendously. I don’t wish this on my enemies either. But life goes on and I have to be ok with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:38 PM
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Yes I have tried and all I faced was rejection. I know the issue is me but I can’t fix the main issue which is my autism. People can sense something is off about me but they aren’t sure exactly what it is. Because of this, the fear of unknown kicks in and they close themselves off before I even get the chance. Statically it’s also possible to go 0/100 as well. That’s human nature as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:37 PM
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Whatever desire you had in that moment was met by rejection. The little victories that you may get don’t happen. You face nothing but rejection no matter what. You would even be rejected for trying to befriend the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:25 PM
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I’m not suicidal myself but I can easily see why someone would be because of it. It’s a very emotional and mental challenge to deal with and sometimes it can be very overwhelming. It’s a personal hell that nobody wants to talk about because people believe anybody can experience it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:17 PM
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80%…….but realistically it’s probably 5-10% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:46 PM
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Do you believe you would still have this mindset if you went through a very long period of nothing but rejection? Like every move you make turns out to be the wrong move while the guy next to you does the exact same thing and it goes right for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:16 PM
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Agree. I believe dating will eventually become taboo in the decades to come. Agreeing with this is unfortunate because romance is one of our (people) greatest wants in life and never having/experiencing it can easily make someone depressed. But they have to learn how to cope with it. Plus, I’ve been on reddit for a while and like everyone else have noticed the struggles people have with dating/relationships/sex. I myself am no different with this as I never been on a first date or even had a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 01:30 PM
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I would still have to contribute even if I was resentful. Society doesn’t care if I ever experience romance or not. The only thing society cares about is whether you can contribute to it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 10:54 PM
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The overall concept of abortion would be one. Both sides believe a human right is being infringed upon whether it be the woman or the baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:25 PM
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I mean technically we have already have gone past that point in other areas though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 06:03 PM
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Q4A: why is dating very discriminatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:48 PM
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Agree with the title of your post. And it’s not just used in the example you mentioned but also in other dating examples as well. Almost every time I mention how I hate having no romantic experiences at my age (30), I get told to go to therapy. Therapy can’t fix this. It can’t help me cope with these feelings. Therapy doesn’t even know how to. The only way I’ll get rid of these feelings is by getting experience but since I can’t, I’m left in this vicious cycle. Therapy is the new way of telling …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:12 PM
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I would think it’d be somewhat frowned upon to do so. But I guess it depends on how nice the restaurant is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:51 AM
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Photographer for automotive industry. Attend sports events, go to bars, try new restaurants, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:48 AM
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Almost everyday. But the thing I’m talking about is that I’ve never even had those subtile hints that women give out when they are interested in someone. I’ve seen it plenty of times with other men but never with me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:46 PM
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I doubt any woman on here will tell you the answer you’re looking for because it’s different for each woman. If anything, women would not want you to seduce them and just leave them be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:28 PM
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Money, time, energy, risk of STD’s, basically a brand new country so I gotta learn the cultures, laws and customs, high risk of running into a ladyboy as well. Plus there’s also the whole idea that they would like me until I give them a green card. Once they got it, they hate me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:39 PM
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I wish I could answer your question OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:51 AM
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It’s gotten harder because people’s dating range (distance) has gotten larger. With the range being larger, people can be extremely picky and have an all or nothing mindset to it. Because surely they’ll find someone with that large range right. So if you’re good looking, it’ll be easy but if you’re ugly and undesirable (like me), it’ll be impossible to ever date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 06:25 PM
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I have at least two borderline three of those things
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 02:19 PM
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You don’t think I haven’t and continue to do those things already? Guess what, it’s still not good enough. The best version of myself still isn’t dateable for women. My island has never had a boat be within 1000 miles of range. Even when I advertised those boats that there’s an island here. Those boats all said no thanks and went elsewhere. You know why I have this mindset? Because all I faced was rejection after rejection after rejection. I have to believe in this. I didn’t choose failure, fail…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 04:44 AM
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Yes. Been single my entire life. Still passing on the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 02:56 AM
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Pass on the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 05:31 PM
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I feel/think like a lot of the women on here are married, in a relationship or have been in a relationship before. It’s rare to see a woman on here comment/take part in and have no relationship experience at all. For men (including me), completely different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 05:46 AM
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Time and money would be the two main reasons. Also overall importance as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 05:20 AM
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Yes it is. Doing these things with the intention to date someone is a major turn off for women. They want you there because you enjoy doing those hobbies. If they want to be with you more outside of it, they’ll let you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 05:14 AM
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I’m sorry to hear that for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 06:37 AM
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Oh for sure they do. But some women were never going to be with a virgin man though. So comments from us didn’t change their opinion on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:17 AM
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Uh yes I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 04:00 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 03:14 AM
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I hope everybody who’s on a date tonight is having a good time with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:38 AM
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Yes I have. My romantic life has been nonexistent. I’ve been romantically lonely for my life. And the worse thing for me is that there’s nothing I can to fix it. Like the best version of myself isn’t good enough. It’s really really rough. I sometimes feel like I’m a monster of sorts. Something I don’t wish on anybody. But that’s just how life goes. Some find romance, others don’t. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:37 AM
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It’s a pretty good indicator though. Like for me, I’ve never received any hints of interest at all. Not even the subtile ones women give out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:32 AM
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I would love to be wrong on the idea of going another 40 years with experiencing none of those things. But I have no reason to suggest otherwise. Plus I’m aware of who I am as a person and how that stacks up with dating and whatnot. Both good and bad. The issue for me is that the bad outweighs the good and the bad is apart of who I am. Like I’ve accepted my bad qualities in a sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 01:31 AM
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Defiantly true. Like 100% true
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 12:27 AM
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https://crowncounseling.com/statistics/autism-marriage/#:~:text=About%2050%25%20of%20autistic%20adults,partner%20at%20any%20given%20time.x I’m taking about autistic only. Not the other ND’s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:43 PM
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Many as in them being neurodivergent or many as in them being autistic? Because the autistic part isnt true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:34 PM
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I’m an autistic but I am also high functioning. In truth I was diagnosed with Asperger’s and I was diagnosed at a young age (4-6). I can understand social cues and what not just fine. Is it as good as NT’s? No and it will never be. But it’s good enough to know when a woman was interested in someone. I’ve helped men realize those women were interested in them. It has/was not been the same case for me. Being autistic was going to make my romantic life extremely difficult. Being universally ugly an…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:15 PM
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So what if he does put in the work and he still gets nowhere. Then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:36 PM
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Except God is though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:28 PM
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30
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:28 PM
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The past version of me did everything you mentioned. Never complained about women’s standards being too high and nor listened to those who hate women. What changed was how I saw everyone around me be able to find someone to be with them ranging from hookups to marriage with children. I was happy for each of them but deep down I wanted those experiences. They never happened. I realized that my autism and universal ugliness meant I was never going to experience those things. Now present me still d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 06:27 PM
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How is he trying to be a victim by asking a question that may contradict a woman’s answer? Also he can both be accountable and also call out the contradicting as well. He doesn’t have to just to take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 05:58 PM
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The past version of me says hi and would disagree with your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 05:14 PM
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Except it’s not weird invented drama but more so real life comments from women. Comments on this post and others support my comment. I just simplified it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 05:04 PM
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A man can do all of those things you said and do it correctly. But if no woman ever finds him physically attractive, there’s not going to sleep with him no matter. So now what? Just learn to be ok that no woman wants to sleep with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:49 PM
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It’s pretty simple: Quit complaining and leave us (women) alone. Nobody picked you because you got traits that we (women) find disgusting (mostly on the physical side). That’s not our fault but yours. You’re not the victim in this. So shut up and learn to be happy without ever experiencing it. Besides it’s overrated anyway, you’re not missing out on much. 30+ virgin man: So why do you continue to…. Women: I said shut up!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:32 PM
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Wouldn’t I be a victim of natural selection and/or circumstance? I mean I didn’t choose to be seen as universally ugly to women. I didn’t choose to have autism. I didn’t choose to go through with 0 romantic experiences at 30. I didn’t choose of going to add another 4 decades of 0 romantic experiences. While yes I’m not and never will be entitled to those things, I also didn’t get to choose whether I got to experience those things are not. IMO, blaming women for this would only be scratching the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:00 PM
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Sadly there’s no realistic or acceptable answer to your question. Any answer that would solve/stop this would come at the expense of the women. There’s nothing that would benefit these men and benefit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:54 AM
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If you’re a man who’s never been hit on, flirted with or had a woman interested in them, they’re universally ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 01:03 AM
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Someone who can live independently and take care of himself (independent living, own car (unless it makes more sense not to have one), cook, clean, grooming, have a job, etc), someone who’s well regarded by others regardless if they are actually their friend or not. Someone who’s not afraid to take chances but also understands when is the time to do so and not. Someone who respects a woman’s boundaries and listen to her needs and wants and do the best they can to fulfill those things. Someone wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:50 PM
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When I read your comment, I took it as you saying that older virgin only get made fun of being a older virgin man if they start blaming/hostile towards women for being one. I responded back by saying that the older virgin men will still get made fun of for being one even if he blames himself only for being a older virgin man. If I read your comment wrong, my bad. Edit: I do still disagree on the idea that the man who are struggle now won’t always struggle their life. They very well could struggl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:32 PM
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I mean they blame women for not picking them and picking those who they think are assholes. I’m not saying they are right to blame women for that but I can’t control who they can/can’t blame. Men and women do make fun of older virgin men though. Also women are saying how they feel about men and it’s not all positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 08:04 PM
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“Nobody is blaming” Really? That’s not the conclusion I’m getting from your post and comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:14 PM
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You can be gaslighted and observe at the same time. Also how can a person be blamed for being universally ugly to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:00 PM
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I did both of those things as far as listening to others and looking around. I knew I was universally ugly to women that no one wanted to date me. I got to that idea/belief that by being 30 and never having a woman interested in me, no dates, relationships, sex, etc. I just didn’t like that I was gaslighted into thinking I wasn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:46 PM
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Those people are shitting on men who lack social skills but don’t blame women too. If they know someone is an older virgin and get into an argument with them that has nothing to do about women, they will eventually shit on him for being an older virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:40 PM
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Because they themselves gas lit me and others by saying that if I did certain things and be myself, a woman would be interested in me. I realized that none of that is true but I still got gaslighted. Now is it something they did on purpose? No. Their intentions were good and they thought they were being helpful but they just didn’t know any better. Now one could argue your post is an example of a just world fallacy. Your post includes how if somebody did believe in those things, then have only t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:29 PM
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It wasn’t just Disney to blame (although they play a role in it), it was also the parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, friends, teachers, schools, etc. It was a little bit of everything
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 05:47 PM
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There’s no realistic and acceptable answer to your question that would both benefit men and women. Because of that, women have to make do that some of these men will complain about it and complain about it often. Also do you really care that these men are complaining? Yeah I’m sure you don’t like it if they are blaming women for all of this. But if the worst thing they do was just complain and blame women and did no physical harm, do you care? You weren’t going to date them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:27 PM
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Not necessarily. Women can make it extremely unfair if they choose to do so. But to expect men to either step up or shut up about it isn’t it either. Especially if these men feel like they have nothing to lose by complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:56 PM
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I mean there is a general agreement that if a man reaches a certain point with 0 romantic/sexual experiences, people assume there is something wrong with them. That they are subhuman in a sense because every human is finding it quite easily. Even the people who they consider to be assholes are finding someone. But to hear someone reach their 30’s, 40’s, 50’s with 0 experience, they think something is horrifically wrong with us. So there is a just world fallacy but it’s more of a human vs subhuma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:44 PM
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I think for men, they just want to have better chance of dating a woman. Now dating was never fair from the beginning but I think these men see dating as an extremely unfair thing. Like they’ve heard/seen/watch women say that if a man doesn’t meet their requirements, they have no chance of dating them. Add the whole women not wanting to be approached anywhere anymore, it feels like a losing battle no matter what they do. So for these men they ask themselves: “why bother even trying/making change…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:18 PM
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It really truly sucks that my looks are making my dating life impossible/nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:15 AM
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Assuming the study is true, is it really surprising? I mean if a guy wants to be with a woman but no woman feels that way about him. Then there’s higher chance that he’ll become bitter, angry and even hatred vs a guy who gets to be with a woman that way. It’s the starting point for guy becoming a incel and believing the black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 06:12 AM
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Yeah they do. Take those 100 women and put them in with 100 men and let’s see how many of those 100 women will pick one of those men to get to know more beyond that room. I bet it’s under 30%.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:13 PM
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It is unusual for a guy to reach a certain point/age in which they have 0 romantic experiences. Because of this, other people around them can easily think that they are some sort of subhuman person. A behavioral subhuman. The opinion/perception of a subhuman is negative. People see getting romantic experience as something that’s easy for anyone to get. A person who might be asshole to someone but if they see/hear about how they got their romantic experiences willingly by someone, they may questi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:58 PM
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I doubt it. Those who say this usually are coming off from a bad relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 06:17 PM
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Women are approaching men though. And the women who don’t like the idea of approaching aren’t going to do it. Nothing will change their minds about it. Now I believe the women who are approaching should be a lot more direct about it. Like if a woman thinks she’s being direct, she’s nowhere close to being direct for a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:37 PM
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At best I’d be curious but honestly good for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 03:17 PM
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Isn’t it frowned upon for a guy to immediately say he’s interested in a woman right off the bat? Like the woman may think he see her only as an object of sorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 12:22 AM
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I don’t know if I would say it’s an abundance of good options but more so an abundance of options. But within all of those options (men), there are some that are better than the one she picked out. She even admitted that she picked the wrong one. So that would mean she needs to try to pick the other options that will be better for her. Now is it going to be difficult to find that good option? Yep it sure is. I don’t argue that. But they are out there and if a woman really wants to be in a relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 04:19 PM
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I didn’t know anyone could be sex negative or sex positive. I would think most would be sex positive. They just want to have it with someone they truly like and desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 04:05 PM
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It will only get worse from here on out. The rise of AI and robotic technology will eventually create the perfect BF/GF for someone. Why spend time and money on someone who thinks they can choose better immediately? Just get a a robot who will fulfill all of your emotional/mental needs and won’t ever leave you. Shoot maybe 30-40 years from now, the companies will make AI robots that have a realistic penis, vagina or even both on them so we can have sex with them without any risk of STD’s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:56 PM
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I would rather breakup with my SO than cheat on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:10 PM
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Emotional trauma, bad experiences, bad decision’s, being jaded, trust and insecurity issues, depression, therapy, etc. Basically anything that happened in a previous relationship that changes how she views relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 07:18 PM
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I wanted to hear what her opinion was on it and see if it was anything similar to mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:55 PM
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Mine is learn to be ok and accept that you’ll never experience it. There isn’t somebody out there for everybody and some people are just too ugly and too weird for anyone wanting to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:19 PM
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You can still be subjective while also agreeing about someone/something being universally ugly. I’m sure you can find examples on internet and even on here. I never disagreed on the notion that you could be rejected by a woman and not due to looks. I said that you can easily be the most confident guy, have a great game and still end up with nothing because woman see you as the ugliest thing in the world. If no woman is ever physically attracted, she’s not going want to be with you even if you ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:17 PM
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“If men can’t organically get women to agree to have sex with them, then I don’t think they should be having sex.” Just out of my curiosity but what should these men do then. Obviously work on the being the best version of themselves and to increase the chance of a woman who would have sex with them. But what if their best version still isn’t good enough. Are they just supposed to suppress their desires for it? Not every man can do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 08:58 PM
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It’s subjective but it’s still possible for a guy to always be rejected because they all find him ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 08:37 PM
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I’m sure you have but if every woman sees you as the ugliest person they have ever seen, they’re not going to hookup with you even if you have game.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:16 PM
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People view men who see a brothel or a sex worker as someone who’s taking advantage of a woman. Like the woman doesn’t really want to have sex with strangers but does it to make ends meet. There’s also the fact that brothels and sex workers are controlled by pimps and/or human/sex traffickers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:09 PM
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It’s more than that but that is one reason though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:03 PM
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No. Comes from real life experiences for them (women).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:46 PM
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Sounds nice on paper but the execution of this could be very consequential for women. Therefore I don’t blame women for telling the whole truth as far as why they wouldn’t go out with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 04:21 PM
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Not wrong to a degree but I feel like you’re only scratching at the surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 07:17 PM
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She saw you as a friend and friend only. She values that friendship you have with you and wants to continue it. Of course, if your feelings of her are strong, then a friendship can be torture for you. With that, it’d be best to end it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 06:54 PM
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Well if he has strong feelings for her in a romantic way, being friends with her can be a torture for him. Like being teased in a sense but can never have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 06:51 PM
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Less than 75-100 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 05:10 PM
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I don’t know if relationship crisis is the word I would use. I think in short, women want to have their fun (sex, friendships, hobbies, etc) while also having their freedom (staying single). They don’t want to be tied to anyone and they certainly don’t have to either. They would be ok staying single forever if they never find their perfect guy so long as they have their fun and freedom. It’s something that’s somewhat new to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 04:51 PM
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I’m guessing it depends on the app and location.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:34 AM
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Regardless I still have a 100% rejection rate so it’s not good even if I don’t include dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:33 AM
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As far as I know, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:32 AM
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I see
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:32 AM
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Like you’re swiping left on them in less than a second?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 10:04 PM
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Well when you’ve never had a woman be interested in you (me) in a romantic way, ugly is appropriate word for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:31 PM
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Maybe not directly but I would say indirectly it does to a degree. I always viewed swiping right as “Hey I liked what you profile info and/or pics and would like to get to know more about you through a online chat” After initial chat and I thought something could be there, I’d ask them out. If not, I would tell them I don’t think it’d work out and wish them the best. Of course none of that matters since I never got a match or like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:04 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 05:55 PM
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I don’t know if this is something society has told them but a lot of these young men believe that if they do a,b,c etc, a woman would want to be romantically involved with them. So when they do those things and have no woman who wants to be with them that way, it’s a massive shock that a lot feel like they were betrayed in a sense. A lot of them don’t react positively to this discovery and can easily fall into sadness, depression, envy, resentment, anger, hatred and for some even violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 04:56 PM
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IRL: 4. If you include dating apps: 100+ (by swiping right on them) Result: 100% rejection and 0 matches/likes What I’ve learned: that I’m too ugly and too weird for any woman to go on a date with me. That the dating advice is BS and doesn’t work. That I have to forcibly be ok with no woman wanting to date me. That I have to take it on the chin in a sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:58 PM
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Lack of social places and them never coming back due to the pandemic. Cold approaching being very frowned upon on. The increased potential of facing more than a polite rejection if they ask them out. People like Tate saying that women don’t find most of them attractive therefore they’ll only face rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:30 PM
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And men don’t think relationships are worth it because of all of the emotional and relationship obligations that come from being in a relationship with a woman. It’s too much because they think you constantly change it in a way that only benefits them. There’s also the idea of women cheating on them or not choosing them first because they were unattractive. Or sending out mixed signals to only be told they are creepy for trying to hit on them. I’m not emotional about any of this stuff. The only …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:57 PM
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And you also proved my point as well as far men thinking women aren’t worth being in a relationship anymore with your long drawn out comment and thinking the women’s view is the only correct way.. I did read your post and I interpreted that you were blaming all men because they didn’t listen to things that a woman needed/wanted. Have you ever considered that there are relationships in which the man puts in the work more than the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:41 PM
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So you see women being 100% the victim and men being 100% at fault for all of this so therefore are the correct side? Yeah I don’t agree with that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:32 PM
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Says who?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:19 PM
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Cause they don’t think any woman is worth going through those emotional and relationship obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:15 PM
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Ok but this certainly goes both ways. Men (even high value men) believe women bring nothing but trouble and headaches. It’s a reason as to why some only want to do hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 04:51 PM
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Yeah but I want to go on dates and be in a relationship with a woman one day. I’m already 30 and I sometimes feel like I’m some sort of monster for never having a woman interested in me that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:23 AM
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Well I’ve always being rejected and having no experiences at my age had led me to believing in that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:53 AM
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Well the issue for me is that I’m ugly and also autistic. So I imagine most women could see something is off about me and they aren’t sure what exactly. Because of that, the fear of unknown kicks in and their mind is made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:47 AM
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Well that’s the issue. I’m not and I also have autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:46 AM
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Yes I have approached and I was always rejected. I’ve been called a creep plenty of times, I’ve had 2 women be visibly disgusted that I approached them. Like how dare I approach them. I’ve had one woman try to get me kicked out of a bar and basically got told to stay away from her area. I’ve had my share of rejections but never any yes as you can tell by my user flair. My only intention was to talk to them and try to get to know them. They didn’t like that idea and made it very known to me. I re…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:29 AM
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Yeah no. Most women have made it very clear that they don’t want to be cold approached anymore. They’ve had too many bad experiences of men doing this and they don’t want it anymore. Also the potential consequences of cold approaching a woman far outweighs the potential successes now. It’s not just a polite rejection anymore. That’s the best case scenario if you do get rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 12:03 AM
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I don’t avoid women so I’m commenting on here but this is something that men can easily do. As far as why? Well there are a variety of reasons. They might have been cheated on, they might think a relationship isn’t worth the effort that’s needed, they may have negative opinions on women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:07 PM
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You said that the MGTOW should go their own way quietly and stop complaining. Like they should be forced to do so. To which I responded of who has the right to tell/force these men to do that? Cause if you try to tell them that, they will only respond by talking about it more vocally
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 12:57 AM
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A lot of those social places disappeared and never returned thanks to the pandemic. Also women have made it very clear that they don’t want to be approached at those social settings either. So with those things being the case, the only answer a guy will have is dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 12:44 AM
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A “girls girl” sounds like a regular and healthy friendship with someone so I’ll say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 12:23 AM
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They do? I would have figured that they wouldn’t. I mean assuming they get paid, money is money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 03:55 AM
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You may as well change your user flair to red pill man with a take like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 10:16 PM
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No clue plus hot is subjective as well to each man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:05 PM
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No they’re not. There are plenty of “hot” women who are into those nerdy things. Go to a comic-con. There are plenty of “hot” women dressed in “sexy” cosplayer costumes. Not to mention there are lot more women who are into those nerdy things over men who make 300K a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:18 PM
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It’s more so a hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 06:28 PM
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Almost everybody. The rise of AI and robotic technology would probably be the biggest reason. If a company can make a robot in which they’ll provide a person’s relationships wants and needs while also making their private parts be realistic as a human, their interest of dating the same or opposite sex will be seen as a waste of time. Especially if the divide between man and woman continues to grow
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:47 PM
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Women have made it very clear that they don’t want to be approached at the places where it used to be ok to approach (bars, clubs, etc). Also back in the day, if a man tried approaching a woman, the worse case scenario for him was rejection. Now rejection is the best case scenario for us now. There’s now humiliation, embarrassment, being accused of being a creep (which can have consequences for us beyond just trying to approach a woman.) etc. And most if not all goes back to the MeToo movement w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:53 PM
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Here was a comment I found interesting as far as women may think it’s easy for men to date. “The bar is low because of the downstream effects of everybody growing up with a device that records video in their hand. When being recorded doing something embarrassing could ruin your life, people are much more afraid to take any sort of risks. What that’s led to is people who are less and less socialized. Quarantine didn’t help either. When you’re socially inexperienced and afraid of putting yourself …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:13 PM
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Dating will only get worse. I personally think dating will start becoming taboo. More men will start believing in the manosphere. Men and women will get more lonely and both will blame the other for it. If you’re old enough to start dating, now is the time to do so. Because the current trajectory it’s going down is not good.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:12 AM
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The reason people are in relationships and date is because they want to be in a relationship and date someone. They want companionship, love, etc. I’m no different. Although I’ve never been in one, I have heard the good, the bad and the ugly about relationships and even after hearing all of it, I still want to be in one. That’s my reason as to why I haven’t given up even though my odds of it actually happening aren’t high. Cause I want to experience it as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:46 PM
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But why not? I’m curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 04:20 PM
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It certainly is possible if the women around have unrealistic standards. Also you didn’t mention those who are ugly in your post. How come?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:58 PM
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The dude could still be average looking though. Yet if women still see him the way I mentioned, those changes aren’t going to matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:52 PM
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All of that behavioral change for the better will/would be irrelevant if the women he’s around or meets think he’s the ugliest looking person they’ve ever seen. They (women) still aren’t going to want to date him because he’s ugly in their eyes. So if a guy gets to that point, now what?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:29 PM
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If you’re trying to say that women need to be more direct and not give out subtle hints to us because men won’t get them, a lot of women already do this. But if women suspect that you’re only interested in them for sex and sex alone, they’re not going to approach you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:00 AM
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Ah
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:35 PM
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Ready for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:28 PM
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Even if it’s casual, I would still want to know what they like and don’t like and try my best to give them what they like. I kinda hope they would do the same for me. But maybe I’m just talking gibberish since I’ve never had sex before.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:05 PM
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They may say it but their nonverbal communication/body language tells a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:09 PM
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Low standards is a subjective topic since each man definition/example of it is different. What you described as low standards OP could be regular standards for a man. Also if we’re going to play it this way, then women should stop lying about not having unrealistic/impossible standards for men
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 03:03 PM
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I think many men would cold approach in the appropriate places if they knew the worst case they could get was rejection. Now rejection is the best worse case scenario if one tries to cold approach a woman. Plus many women have said that they do not want to be cold approached at these social places anymore. They are tired of it and want it to stop. These men respect the wishes women have regarding this and no longer try.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 02:41 PM
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I mean if these men already undesirable to women, does them watching porn really matter to these women? I mean even if these men weren’t watching porn, they would still be undesirable to women. So does it really matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 01:56 AM
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Do you consider hugs, kissing, cuddling, hand holding, just even touching to be acts of sex? Because those are things I’ve really wanted to experience with a woman in my entire dating life and feel tremendously sad that no woman has ever wanted to do those things. Like a monster of sorts. I’d rather have that than the overall actual act of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 09:54 PM
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I thought you were looking for examples of those who never been in a relationship getting rejected because they never been in one. If you are looking for something else, then I read your question wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 06:45 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/virgin/s/9GtL2tnDLm https://np.reddit.com/r/virgin/s/wrmXTMPdD0 https://np.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/s/E38K2GYhzD Here are some examples for you OP
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 06:37 PM
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If you are wanting specific examples, might I suggest you head over the virgin and forever alone subreddits. You will find your examples there. I’ll see if I can find one or two on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 06:34 PM
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It’s not just the red pill but the mainstream advice is leading men to believing in the black pill. We have mountains and mountains of evidence that shows us that the mainstream dating advice doesn’t work and we need a better answer than what we have. And as people, we can absolutely come up with better advice that’ll work for everyone. Humans are a mostly smart species that has come up with many inventions, ideas, thoughts, etc. Things that have shaped our world in ways that wouldn’t even be po…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:18 AM
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Yeah good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 06:13 AM
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Same here but unfortunately it never goes away. I’ve tried suppressing my desires for this but I’ve failed badly at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:31 PM
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What if your league is nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:30 PM
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I would be curious to hear a story/example of how you got a black pilled undateable incel into becoming a man a woman wanted to date/be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:47 PM
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I’m kinda surprised how many women have commented on this post. I figured this be one where no woman would. “If so, what are these fantasies?” I can 99.9% guarantee you that the women on here aren’t going to publicly say what their kinks/fantasies are. But kudos for trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:22 AM
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Yeah I would agree with this. An example of this being the case for a man is me. It’s why I’ve always been critical of the phrase “there’s someone out there for everyone” or the idea that if this person can do it, so can I. Some of us men are just meant to be single forever. Our best still isn’t good enough for a woman to be interested in us. People who are worse off and/or legit bad will be able to find someone yet I won’t. I think the hardest thing about me going through this that I never will…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:13 AM
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As far as my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:43 PM
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The reason a lot of these men could eventually become vocal about it because they’ve faced nothing but rejection. They’ve seen people who are legit worse/bad be able to find someone who wants them. People who are in relationships themselves tell them that they need to be happy being single. Be happy that you’re facing nothing but rejections. Be happy that people worse off found someone and not you. Also you’re not allowed to be bitter because your time will eventually come. We don’t know when bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:16 PM
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That’s the case for men who are insanely attractive and women that want to be with them. But if you’re an ugly or even an average looking man, the dating scene is horrific.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:19 AM
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I’ve noticed the people who usually say this don’t really lead by example. They themselves are in a relationship already and couldn’t even decenter if they became single. Basically a hungry man to be ok with being hungry while they themselves eat up all of the food
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 06:34 PM
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I don’t think you’re going to like the answers OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:55 PM
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Plenty of men enter their 20’s with no experience and they eventually lose to a woman who may or may not have experiences. It’s when a man enter their 30’’s with no experience do they begin the cycle of: No experience cause they never were desired and never desired cause they have no experience. As a 30 year old with no experience, are you trying to say I should date women who are 18-20 since they themselves have no experience as well? If so, that’s gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:46 PM
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There’s probably a fear of sorts that if a man does this, he will never experience dating, relationships or even sex ever again or at all. Plus this kinds is a very big want we (men) want in our lives. Some men would rather have a relationship with a woman over more money, career advancement, better body, etc. Not to mention there are men on here (me included) who have been single and a virgin their entire lives and want to experience that stuff sooner over later. I myself don’t want to end up a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 05:26 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:10 PM
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I feel like you moving would be cheating of sorts. The test of this theory would be better if you stayed in Ohio for this test or even your birthplace area.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:40 PM
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I feel like this topic has been brought up a lot on here. Anyway, I’m curious to see if OP would still hold onto mindset if he reached his 70’s with 0 dating experience, 0 relationship experience and 0 sexual experience with a woman. Perhaps you can test this theory out OP for your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 06:21 PM
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Says who? A lot of women? That will only make them want to talk about it more vocally and more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 04:58 AM
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I think it’s one of those things where you just gotta let it happen to a degree. Go with a slow in a sense. Initiate slowly physically with whatever but back off if she says no. If not, just keep going until you actually do it or she says no. With the bumble post, he basically went all in on initiating it and he sent it through text. The woman thinks all he wanted was to have sex with her and wasted both of their times having these dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 04:40 AM
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Oh boy. 🍿 But seriously this is something that some men are already doing. I mean the whole MOTW does exist. Plus good luck telling that men who are happily married or in a relationship already.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 04:34 AM
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I would imagine a woman would if they got approached at a bad time and/or bad place
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 05:26 PM
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I feel like the married man who cheated on his wife with a hooker is more pathetic than me ending up as a 40 year old virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 04:41 AM
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Assuming there’s no alternative, option A. I would want what’s best for my son and what will make him the happiest. Option A increases those chances for him. As someone who’s to a degree in option B, it’s hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 10:21 PM
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I’m already a loser no matter which route I go on this. I just think paying someone to lose it with would make me a bigger loser than someone who’s a 40+ year old virgin. Also I have no reason to expect myself to ever be in a position where a woman wants to have sex with me. If it already hasn’t happened in 30 years, I see no reason to think it’ll happen in the next 30
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 08:56 PM
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And it would also destroy my confidence and esteem for having to pay someone just so I can lose it. That’s a hell lot worse than being a virgin and whatever stigma there is of being a older one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:50 PM
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I’m not going to have sex with someone who I would have to pay to just fake their desire for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 05:36 PM
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I think for almost all men, there is a underlying and deep-seated fear of ending up as a old, lonely, dateless, relationship-less, virgin of a man. I myself fear of ending up as 40 year old virgin who’s never been in a relationship or even on a first date. I have less than a decade of that fear becoming a reality. Sure that seems like a long time still but time can go by very fast. It also doesn’t help when the men around us are in relationships as well. We are always the odd wheel whenever we g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 03:21 PM
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I think it’s more so of people wanting their freedom while still having fun. With their freedom, they can be picky about who have to fun with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 03:02 AM
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Mutual friends would be choice 1. Dating apps would be choice 2. Cold approach would be choice 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 06:29 PM
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Ok. Let’s create a fantasy world in which all relationships/dating get started by a man approaching a woman to ask them out first: We are at a social setting and I see you by yourself. I think you are attractive and decide to approach you in hope of talking to you and maybe asking you out. Since I’m the one doing the approach, it is in my opinion that you would let me be able to approach you, let me say whatever I would want to say and not make any judgement until I’m done speaking. Once I’m don…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 11:00 PM
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Because if all of the pressure of approaching falls on the men, then IMO the women can be nice enough to let him try. The dude isn’t going to know if she does or doesn’t like him. Only way he’ll know by trying. Although he may fail, the fact that he was willing to be the one facing rejection while approaching you should be enough to at least let him try. Best way I would describe it is like the US court system. Women are the prosecutor and judge while the man is the defendant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:33 PM
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Yet some women wouldn’t even give him the chance to speak. My point is those women should give him that chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:20 PM
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Taking the risk of talking to her, asking her on a date, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:16 PM
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If men have to do all of the approaching, then women have to be more open minded about any man approaching them. Meaning if the ugliest looking man you ever saw approached a woman, that woman has to give that guy a chance and let him shoot his shot before you turn him down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 10:07 PM
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Well attraction is subjective to each woman but I get the feeling you’re talking about men like me who are extremely ugly. With that I would agree because attraction matters and if no woman ever find you physically attractive, you’re not going to be with romantically. It sucks terribly but that’s how life can go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 09:57 PM
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Not having the autism would make things a lot more easier for me I believe. I think it would increase my chances of ever going on a date. I’d rather get rid of that before making changes to my face. But sadly there is no cure for autism so I’m pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place. All I can really do is learn to be ok with being romantically unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 08:38 PM
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No it’s not the norm. It’s never been the norm. I’ve never been on a first date before. The women I’ve asked weren’t interested in me that way and/or they were interested in someone else more. The biggest reasons as to why I’ve always been rejected is due to me being ugly and autistic. There are other reasons but those two are the big ones. Edit: sorry. Not sure why it sent you my comment twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 08:25 PM
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I guess the biggest priority for me would be having a woman be interested in me enough and I’m attracted to saying yes if I asked them out on a date. As far as the physical side: just kissing a woman would the top for me but it’s not the overall top if that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 08:13 PM
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Are you talking about PIV sex? Cause that’s at the very bottom. I wouldn’t say no to a hookup if I found them to be attractive. Or do you mean something else totally? Edit: I guess the biggest priority for me would be having a woman be interested in me enough and I’m attracted to saying yes if I asked them out on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 08:09 PM
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From my experience, the answer would be no to both bars and clubs. They (women) are usually are coupled/grouped with their SO and/or friends. The women do come in by themselves are usually picking up food to go and don’t stay very long.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 06:34 PM
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Disagree. Although I’m a 30 year old virgin, I have seen, read, heard, watched (Tv shows and movies) what it’s like to have someone desire you to have sex with them. I’ve seen men around me have women interested in them to which they get to that point. I indirectly know what it’s like to have someone feel that way about and darn it I want that as well. I would have it once and never again instead of never having it. I actually think it’s psychologically worse to want something like this and neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 05:17 PM
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If you’re trying to tell women to start giving us ugly guys a chance because we never got that chance, you are instead only making these women want to pick us less. The truth is that some of us guys (including me) are meant to be single. We’re just not romantically appealing enough to women. It sucks tremendously but that’s life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:50 PM
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Yep I have Asperger’s. It’s a one of many reasons as to why the likelihood of never going on a date or being in relationship is high.
/r/seduction26/03/25 06:33 AM
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https://www.psypost.org/physical-attractiveness-far-outweighs-other-traits-in-online-dating-success/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 04:26 AM
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I agree on the principle of making sure I’m the best as far being dateable to a woman. But if my best still isn’t enough to be dateable, then it goes into a no fault of either side. Which is where I’m at and it is all but set in stone. (95+% chance.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:53 PM
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Yeah. Being myself has led to me being a 30 year old who’s never been on a first date and the likelihood of it ever happening isn’t high either. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 08:16 PM
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First let me say that you have a beautiful family and I hope your marriage continues on. Second, I’m sorry to hear of your experiences of what you went through with your younger years. No one should ever be slapped just for being Asian. I’m glad to hear the hard work you put in was able to see/desire the results you were wanting from it. I myself have put in the hard work as well and continue to do so. However for me, the results never came. No relationships, no dates, no flirting, nothing. I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:33 PM
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You/society can’t. Because dating and relationships is viewed as individual responsibility/problem and not a society problem. Unless people change their mindset on that, there’s nothing society can do to fix it. For the best answer for us to be ok with the possibility of being romantically alone. But of course, if the ones who teach us this are or have been in relationships we would see them as massive hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:07 PM
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No. It would be a major turn off and would make me think she doesn’t really desire me at all. She (along with other women) have every right to never pick me as far as dating/relationship goes. She should enact on those feelings first before choosing me. It’s also a turn off when she says “I’ve had my fun”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 07:00 PM
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I do agree that for most of the men who read/comment on this sub aren’t too late in that regard. But for the rare few of us (me, not you) it is indeed too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:57 PM
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Running and skiing are two things in which there isn’t a time limit to learn those things and are things that you can control over as far as the action of doing it. Dating is quite different. There is a hard time limit as far as when you have to make yourself confident enough to be dateable and go on dates. Plus dating requires two to tango and once people reach a certain age in life, they want you to have experience with that kinda stuff already. If you don’t, the last thing they want to do at …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 06:13 PM
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Not necessarily. A person can talk to 1000 people and feel no more confident than they did before talking to them. Certainly the same in regard to dating as well. If you talk to 100 women and want to date 5-10 of them but only face rejection, their confidence isn’t going to be better. In fact it might even be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:59 PM
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“The “you need a job to get a job” approach is actually less applicable in this setting than in many others, because it really doesn’t cost you anything - no one is stopping you - from just going out there and practicing this stuff.” Actually it kinda is. Especially as you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:46 PM
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Where’s the auto mod comment that says if you agree with OP, reply under this post? I want to comment and agree with OP on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:26 PM
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It’s probably a little of everything you mentioned OP and then some. But if a woman is interested in you, she will make it known through subtile hints. You could say it’s her being a hunter to a degree
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 04:01 PM
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Yeah women have never give me those hints before.
/r/seduction25/03/25 02:36 PM
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Yeah I’ve never experienced anything like you’ve mentioned.
/r/seduction25/03/25 02:35 PM
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Yep I’ve never been told something similar like that before.
/r/seduction25/03/25 02:34 PM
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Respectfully women never have done so to me. I’ve seen women flirt with others around me and all but never to me.
/r/seduction25/03/25 02:30 PM
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I’ve gone as far as I could in that regard. Still nothing. Anything beyond that would be me dating out of desperation to a woman I wouldn’t be attracted to. Me and her don’t deserve to go through that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:34 AM
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I get what you mean but that doesn’t make me feel any better. Especially since they were able to find someone and I never have and may never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:12 AM
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Yeah but me being ugly and autistic cancel those things out for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 02:01 AM
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Yeah but I don’t really have problem admitting that kinda stuff about me because it’s the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 01:59 AM
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“This question is more so directed at the men who are unable to get any woman, attractive, average or even below average.” That would be me and to answer your question, I would not. I’m would never be attracted to someone who was born a man but chose to become a woman. I don’t any man who does date a trans woman but I never would.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 10:33 PM
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Seems like OP has deleted their account.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 03:45 AM
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Those who usually moan and complain are the ones who haven’t gotten everything or anything they wanted from their dating/relationship life. Also dating is one of those things where we (people) don’t have much control compared to other things such as losing weight. If you eat healthy and exercise, you are going to lose weight because you controlled yourself to do those things. With dating, you can do everything right to make yourself more dateable but can still find women are repulsed by you due …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 09:21 PM
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Women absolutely truly care about a man’s looks. Yes confidence and charm are needed but they are not as important as a man’s looks. Especially in today’s world where women (and men) have created unrealistic standards for each other as far as being in a relationship. Whenever a woman first comes across a man, the first thing she see is his looks. That’s the part that gets the door open. If the woman sees him ugly, she’s quickly shutting that door and never opening it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/25 07:03 AM
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Even if I became asexual, I would still have the desire to be in a relationship with a woman and still feel sad that no woman sees me that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/25 08:47 PM
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I don’t think women say this. I’m pretty sure women will tell you that physical standards matter a lot when it comes to casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:10 PM
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Is OP trying to say avoid the friend zone at all costs because it won’t turn out well for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:02 AM
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I took it as: OP believes all women think these low tier me don’t have permission and/or to think/see/experience anything related to sex with any woman. At the same time, women blames these low tier men for when a relationship with a high tier man goes badly. They see themselves as victims who have no control over who they date which would be high tier men. Which is why they tell these low tier men to become high tier so they can date them because they wouldn’t date them when they were low tier.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 07:58 PM
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I don’t disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:24 AM
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Technically speaking no we are not. But men would defiantly rather have closure instead of ghosting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 05:02 AM
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So you would rather have a woman give you subtitle hints through a given period of time instead of going all in shortly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:26 AM
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You’re only scratching at the surface OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 05:57 PM
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Of course it’s absolutely fair to say women struggle with dating as well. Some women struggle the same way that most guys struggle as far as being attractive for someone. But it seems like most women struggles with dating are being approached by men that they find to be creepy and being overwhelmed by the number of men interested in them. Something that most men can’t really relate to in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 04:24 AM
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I’m not asking that question, OP is. OP wants what other solutions women and BP’s have to make a man not be apart of the manosphere if you find it to be scary. My point was that IF women and BP’s wanted to find an alternative solution that didn’t have men falling into it, they would first need to be sympathetic to those men. However, women and BP do not care if these men fall into it and yet expect to dig them out of it on their own rather than an alternate solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 07:55 PM
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Well before a solution can be created, I personally believe women and BP’s should be sympathetic to the men who fall into the manosphere. Which basically means women and BP’s would have to be concerned about these men not getting dates, relationships and even sex. Second this would also require women and BP’s to set aside their own personal selfishness to the side for the greater good of basic strangers. No woman or bluepiller wants to feel this way regarding these men. They don’t care that thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 05:45 PM
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Men are much more ok with dating an autistic woman than woman dating an autistic man. Actually almost all women don’t want an autistic man. Even autistic women don’t want to date an autistic man. Autistic men are considered to be the lowest of low in the dating scene. It’s due to us acting differently than what women expect from us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 03:53 PM
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Is this your way of saying women (both NT and ND) don’t want to date an autistic men? Because that’s something that almost everybody realizes and it’s not going to change anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 05:09 AM
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I’m not sure if you’re going to get the answers you want OP. Especially since different women find different things attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 07:19 PM
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Be vulnerable to each other
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 07:15 AM
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No. But it’s important thing for both a men and women to do to each other when they are in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 06:41 AM
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I don’t think I can ever fully understand it. Since I’m not a woman but I’m sure there is influence to understand as far as subconscious fear of men. Since the fear is due to creepy men trying to get their attention/do something at a time when they don’t want to. At the same time, your post seems like you have some trauma and it might be good to talk to someone about it. I’m sorry you had to experience that trauma OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 12:56 AM
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I would agree if the point of privilege of having sex was that sex isn’t a need and how you can go through whole life never experiencing sex and how it wouldn’t kill you. But you went with a different direction on it. I don’t know how many women would say it’s a privilege when a man desires them just for sex. Especially if the desires comes from a man they don’t find attractive, think they are creep of sorts and/or fear for their safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 08:47 PM
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I feel like this post should have a debate flair instead of asking women flair. Also I said something similar regarding this some time ago. I’ll have to look for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:03 PM
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I appreciate your honesty with this comment and only wish all women would be truthful in this statement the way you just did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:01 PM
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They will find out in one way or another and most women see it as a major turn off. Even from a hookup perspective as well. While yes there are plenty of involuntary virgin men who didn’t put effort into losing it, there are also plenty that did do so. They followed and did the common advice that’s given to them and they still reached their 30’s being a virgin due to woman desiring him enough to do that intimate act with him. Now he enters his 30’s where any effort he puts in will be for nothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 03:13 PM
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Most women frown upon the idea of a virgin man losing it through prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 02:26 PM
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I’m assuming you’re talking about older virgins (30+). It comes down to two things: desirability and experience. Let’s start with desirability. Most men lose their virginity by their late teens to mid 20’s. If they didn’t lose in that time, most of those lose it in their late 20’s. Point is it’s very rare for a man to turn 30 and still be one. Now why does any man lose it? Because a woman saw him desirable enough to do that intimate act with him. When a virgin man reaches their 30’s, it’s a sign…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 03:20 AM
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Everyone struggles. It’s just that women’s struggles are completely different from men’s struggles. This can cause friction as far as discussing who has it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 04:30 AM
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Different women, different opinions would be the common answer. But it does seem like there are traits that almost all women find unattractive/turned off by though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:37 PM
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I’m assuming you saw my comment where I said eventually the first time. That was the wrong word choice on my part. I meant to say possibly instead. My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 03:29 PM
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My point is that someone may start out not caring but after 50 rejections they will start caring and that could possibly turn into bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 03:03 PM
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I guess this makes sense from a short term perspective but at some point, a guy is going to start caring once they reach a certain amount of rejections and no success. I mean I don’t know how you can tell a guy who’s faced 50 rejections in 50 attempts (just random number) of asking someone out and still except them to not care/be apathetic about it. The dude is going to start caring about it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 02:47 PM
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It seems like most women would say no they don’t want/liked being cold approached in public. Not even in the spaces where doing cold approaching is more acceptable (bars, clubs, single events, etc) Unless there’s a hint of interest for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 05:41 AM
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I guess just keep living a life that makes you happy and content. You can certainly be critical of the dating scene and all. However, most may not listen to it and just continue on with their lives. It might also benefit if you can learn to accept the possibility of being forever single.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 03:01 PM
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OP this thought process is going to betray you in the long run. This mindset will have you being single forever along with being a virgin forever as well. I know your recency bias may make you believe in those things but there are plenty of women who want to find someone they like and desire for the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 04:05 AM
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Not if all of your friends are guys but I get your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:38 PM
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Because most of the “good men” are already off the board by the time a woman reaches their 30’s. And the good men that do eventually get back into the dating scene have a baggage with them. Baggage that a woman may not want to deal with these good men. Now there are some men who do believe that a woman loses their attraction as they get older but that’s no different for men as well. I’ll use me as an example. I was already ugly during my teen and early 20’s years. But as I got older, I became ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 09:02 PM
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I don’t think any man argues against the importance of a woman having standards. It’s more so a question/argument of: Has women’s standards become too unrealistic for the average man to qualify/achieve. Also in your example, there is a woman who allegedly has involvement in the killing of the poor victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:55 PM
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Why aren’t people more sympathetic to someone if they talk about their nonexistent romantic life? Especially if they’re older. I get why someone would if they talked about it everyday. But anytime I see someone mention theirs, they just get bullied and be told something is wrong with them or how it’s their fault for it being the case for them. Stuff that they didn’t want to hear at that time and/or were already aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:02 PM
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Unless she said her reason before her passing, it’s hard telling. Unless have the kids said anything about this? We can assume any and all reasons as to why she did but I don’t know if we’ll ever get the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:31 AM
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It is possible that Betsy never wanted to have children of her own. Plus as you said, he was 61 when they got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:26 AM
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Your post is similar to MGTOW ideals. But to ask every man to leave/ignore all women is unrealistic. For some, you’d be asking them to suppress their desires/emotions to date/be in a relationship with a woman. While you fix one issue, you would arise another issue as well. I guess if the world was more perfect/just, this could be accomplished. But since it’s not, we are stuck with what we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:01 AM
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More like humans are selfish, uncaring people and yes we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 02:36 AM
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Probably because those men don’t really care about what those people say/do. In their minds, they are wasting time and energy on something that is considered to be extremely low importance to them. They’d rather put that time and energy into something more important in their lives. Now if it starts directly affecting them, then yes they would care about holding certain men to a higher standard of decency. Until then, don’t expect a different result.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:57 AM
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I’ve been told I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:41 AM
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Yes I have. Always rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 05:10 AM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:34 AM
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I never would have thought I’d be 30 years old and have never been on a date before or even have a woman interested in me that way. It makes me feel like I’m some sort of a garbage person. I know I’m not but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 04:30 AM
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If dating and relationships were much more simple, people would easily get into and have success in them. But when it comes to relationships and dating, talking a woman, not trying to be a creep and finding yourself isn’t enough to be in one. Also what is a functional human? That’s a very subjective question as well. Because a if a unattractive guy tries to respectfully approach a woman to talk to them, the woman may think he is a creep for even trying to talk to her. The guy was being a functio…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 02:47 AM
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But the history of time has shown us that not everybody has had someone who’s viewed them in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 10:48 PM
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You know one thing I don’t understand: How no one can grasp/understand what its like for someone to go through their entire life (30+) so far with no one being romantically interested in them. I don’t know if it’s because it’s something they could never grasped/experienced in their whole life. I don’t know if it’s because this challenges their viewpoint on the idea that there’s someone there for everyone. I just don’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 08:41 PM
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Because most women don’t want to hear it from someone they find to be ugly or a creep. Add decades of semi constant cat calling at inappropriate places and times and they’ll start forming that opinion. Also men would feel the same after a while if the roles were reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 06:41 PM
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Passion with my hobbies, Empathetic and sympathetic, Kindness, Mostly non judgmental, Mindfulness, Stable job, Financially responsible No addictions, Mostly open minded, Cook, Clean, Do and fold laundry, Willing to try new things, Mental and emotional support (although different due to my Asperger’s.), Loyalty, Listener. I guess in a sense this is all basic stuff which would be ok if I wasn’t ugly but since I am, it’s not enough in a sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:06 AM
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It’s not so much as far as being single at 35 but having been in a relationship before and is no longer a virgin. It’s more so for the guys who’ve been single and still are virgins for their entire life up to that point when women talk about these men. Considering how men are supposed to initiate and make themselves be attractive to a woman, if someone isn’t able to do that up to that point, it’s a pretty big ref flag. Because almost everyone gains that experience in their teen’s and/or 20’s. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:02 PM
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And some of those men will see that new found freedom as a way to make the game harder than it should be in their opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:44 PM
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I never said it was a good proposal from the beginning. I said it’s a reason as to why someone wouldn’t want to escape the pills. Give them guarantee and they would escape but as we both know, life has no guarantees. I highly doubt that. I’m apart of the 1-2% of people who are considered undateable to every woman on the planet. Only way I’ll ever experience a date is with Ai or robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:41 PM
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Uh yes it is. There are women who do complain and dehumanize men as well. Almost the same way when a man complains and dehumanize women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:30 PM
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I doubt it. It anything it just adds more problems on top of the problems that were already there
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:38 AM
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Except men do indeed do constructive self improvement to make themselves more attractive to a woman. I’m sure there might be some example of someone trying once, got told no and started to believe in the pills. But for most, they did self improvement and still failed. It then turned into months and/or years of failures along. They mention how they are frustrated by this and the response they get back is with little to no sympathy for them or telling them to do/choose better. Not to mention their…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:32 PM
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If your point is that straight men should start having sex with each other just to have romantic success, no thanks. I myself would rather die as a virgin than have sex with a man. Also there’s nothing wrong with a man or woman being gay or lesbian and having sex with them ether.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 07:13 PM
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Most men do take responsibility. The responsibility has changed over the last 50-70 years and not every man has been able to adapt to it but most have. I mean one could argue that modern women lack responsibility as well considering what the responsibility used to be throughout world history. I think the bigger question is that are men and women being help responsible for things that they didn’t do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:55 PM
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Question for everyone: Can someone truly accept and be at peace of the possibility of living their whole life as a virgin?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 06:19 PM
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30+. The flag will get bigger if you never been on a first date or hooked up with someone. The reason for the red flag because it’s gives an indication that there is something wrong with us. It’s a sign of potential very low/poor social skills and being able to get along with others. Also by that age, women don’t want to through the awkward moments they experienced in their teens-early 20’s again in their 30’s. They want you to have that experience. Yet you can’t that experience cause nobody wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:37 AM
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Well there always was Shallow Hal (movie)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:46 AM
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There are a ton of guys who value women regardless of what they bring to the table. But as expected both dating and relationships require both men and women bring something to the table and if one or both sides don’t like what the other brought, they reject them and find someone who brings better stuff to the table. A man can also be a soldier, scientist, engineer, supermodel, etc yet they could still end getting cheated on or be viewed as a bank, stress ball, etc by a woman. I wouldn’t be surpr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:37 AM
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I am sorry to hear of your experience OP. Based on your post and comments, it seems like you really did care for him and wanted to be with him for a long time before all of that happened. One question I do have: Was it a long distance relationship until you were able to move to his city?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:07 AM
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“You’re a nice guy but” seems to be a common answer men hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 09:12 PM
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Anybody have a summarization of the book? I’ve never heard of it until now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 07:23 PM
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Your solution would only make the gender war worse than it already is. Especially if you try to treat women only as sex objects. That’s the last thing a woman wants to be treated as.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 05:56 PM
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I do those things as well and women still aren’t interested in me.
/r/seduction04/03/25 05:47 PM
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Men defiantly can be jaded but it is possible that their jadedness is very different from a woman’s jadedness though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 04:17 PM
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I see it like this: most women don’t understand what it’s like to never have someone be romantically interested. Something that most men navigate through. Most men don’t understand what it’s like to have a ton of interest from just about everybody and how it can be very overwhelming for women. Especially when she gotta pick (also doesn’t have too) out of the hundreds of interest and hope they pick someone who doesn’t treat them badly. Both sides think they have it worse and both sides aren’t wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:41 AM
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I appreciate the hug but women aren’t interested in speaking to me in the first place.
/r/seduction04/03/25 02:31 AM
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Short answer: No Long answer: Just don’t tell her that you saw a escort to fulfill your fantasy wants. Even if it happened before you met them. Cause almost all women don’t want to be with someone who had to go see an escort just to get sex. They would rather you stay a virgin over seeing one (if they ever cared enough to choose for you.)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:08 PM
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They are in a sense. I guess they want a good man who they are attracted to first over a good man who they don’t find attractive. Because once again, attraction matters and it matters in a bigger than some women want to admit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:03 PM
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It might be bigger than we think as far as always being unappealing. Shoot I have no problem admitting I’m one of them as well. I just don’t believe in the pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:59 PM
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A lot of them do try though. The reasoning behind their trying might not be the greatest but they defiantly do try. But they end up nowhere and unfortunately they start believing in the black pill
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:54 PM
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I’d pick modern. But I must ask: if I chose the 1950’s woman, would I be dating her during that her time period or my time period?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:17 PM
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That would make sense if self improvement guaranteed a woman would find them romantically attractive. But of course self improvement doesn’t do that. That’s the reason as to why a black pill person won’t leave it. I mean think about it. If someone left the black pill ideology, worked to make himself be attractable (self improvement) and still no woman was ever attracted to them. That dude is going to fall down harder into the black pill and may never escape it. Edit: it’s to a degree a miracle t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 08:09 PM
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Isn’t that the overall crux of both the red and black pill? If women don’t want these men to believe in them, then one of them has to be romantically interested in them. Otherwise one could argue that women are pushing these men (not on purpose) into believing in the pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:54 PM
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Because they might see it as women being the one who creates and dictates the rules of dating and romance. Women in essence created and make the rules of the game. They see other men as the players and the women being in the game. When someone fails at it, they go into a mindset of “don’t hate the player, hate the game”. The game in this case is women. You could also ask: Why don’t women be romantically interested in these individuals before they become red or black pilled? Surely that would sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 07:38 PM
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Good to hear for you but I’ve heard/read stories of it being a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 05:44 PM
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I mean I’d say that’s fine as long as you acknowledge that someone else could be interested in him and not make him wait as long as you are to him. If that does indeed happen and he does decide to forget about you for the other person: you hold yourself accountable and blame for making him wait too long and him losing interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 05:11 PM
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They may have been kind and sympathetic but they still don’t want to be with you at that age though. They’re not bullying you about it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 04:49 PM
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It’s a red flag as you get older. It starts to become one once you reach 30. Most women don’t want to be someone’s first relationship to a 30+ year old man. They want you to have experience during that age point. Otherwise they wonder what’s wrong with you that made other women not want to be in a relationship with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 02:47 PM
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Is OP trying to indirectly justify the whole 80/20 thing by saying women recognize those things and yet choose not to do anything with them? That the guys need to reach the 20%?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:25 AM
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If the game is something someone is, then is it fair to say some can’t even play the game? They’re just too ugly and weird for anyone to be with them romantically?
/r/seduction03/03/25 05:37 AM
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Is blaming all of it on men really the way to go about this? I mean just because women can get whatever they want for existing doesn’t mean they should. Especially if it’s at the cost of men. Cause we (people) all want to go on dates and be in relationships with others we find attracted too. Taking advantage of each other and then blaming them for that advantage will only make the gap larger than it already is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 10:27 PM
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If men truly make all women miserable then the idea of dates and relationships between the two would be non existent/taboo. Shoot I bet a country or two would even make it illegal. But as I comment on here, men and women are going on dates, entering relationships, getting married, having hookups, etc with each other. I hope you don’t make this post because you’ve creeped out many women before.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:06 AM
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You may want to screenshot some of those comments OP. Because when you click on the link and try to read the comments, they’re asking you to login. It’s possible that not everybody on here has a X account.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 02:55 AM
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I’m curious to see the answers women provide on this question. I’m guessing most would say it did have an effect on their future dates/relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 02:51 AM
2

You do know many autistic’s can’t really read body language well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:54 PM
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Is this supposed to be a shot at autistic men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:53 PM
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Both of those are the big time reasons as to why I’m 30 and have never been on a first date before. They are the meat and potatoes as far as why I’ll never go on one either
/r/seduction28/02/25 03:32 PM
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Yep, I’ve never seen any of those signs in my lifetime.
/r/seduction28/02/25 03:58 AM
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Being ugly and autistic.
/r/seduction28/02/25 03:56 AM
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As far as dating/relationships/sex goes? How society pressures us to have sex at an early age and how society harshly judges/bullies those who are older virgins in life. How the dating landscape has become so messed up that we have the creations of these pills and people who truly believe in these pills. Outside of that? How the world is inching closer and closer to WW3 and how these men will go fight for a war that they didn’t cause nor support. Fight for a war that was selected by only a tiny …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:45 PM
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I’ve been on three of them for months. 0 matches and 0 likes. I’m not even swiping right on every woman either. I swipe on ones where I find them attractive and/or think we would get along very based on our common interests in the hope of dating each other. Still nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:23 PM
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Intimacy is considered to be a social need. Expecting a pet or a weighted blanket to fulfill that need is hogwash. Also are you referring to Maslow’s pyramid?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 06:14 PM
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What do you consider to be needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 05:56 PM
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The comments I’ve seen of those who don’t like being single are usually folks who’ve never been in a relationship or a first date at all. So telling them to be happy alone when they’ve been alone their entire life time can be condescending (especially if you yourself are in or have been in a relationship before.) Also lead by example OP. Be happy being alone even if means you’re alone forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 05:36 PM
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We already do that though. Our standards have risen in a very big way in the last decade. You can’t just be physically average, make good money and have a good personality. You gotta be physically fit, make great money (90K+) and have a fantastic personality. If someone is in one and doesn’t have those things, we assume something is wrong with their SO to be dating someone like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 05:18 PM
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Because doing those things doesn’t guarantee that you’ll get the result you desire most. A man could doing everything to make himself be more attractive and it’s a possibility that even after doing so, no woman finds him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 04:19 PM
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It’s also possible that a woman’s profile has nothing but their basic info (schools, job, kids, etc.) and pics and yet a man could still swipe right on them if they find them physically attractive. Im come across many of these profiles before and have swiped right on some (not all) of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 03:59 PM
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They probably make those assumptions based on their life experiences with women along with what they see on social media. I mean I once saw a video where a woman said that if a guy ever dated her, he would need to make 200K a year and be fit. You watch videos with those similar answers and you’ll create that assumption on women. Of course I saw a video where an overweight but average looking guy approach random woman asking if they date him now and most said yes they would. As far as your post,
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 06:43 AM
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My comments shouldn’t make you or anyone for that matter depressed. Especially since the comments are made online. If they are, then it might be best to take a break from Reddit today.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 09:14 PM
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A life attitude? A realistic attitude? A attitude where you know life isn’t a fairy tale?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:52 PM
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That’s assuming the ugly woman wants to be with you. It’s possible that you’re too ugly for the ugly as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:49 PM
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No it’s not. That’s a life attitude. There isn’t someone out there for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:47 PM
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Yes being ugly and autistic defiantly are traits that women find extremely aversive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:29 PM
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Unless the coach can 100% guarantee me I’ll go on first ever date if I followed their advice (they can’t), then I’m not going to spend money on one to receive advice. Advice that would still have me very low chances of going on one. Doctors and lawyers are more of a need than a dating coach will ever be so even if they can’t guarantee (they don’t anyway), I still use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:46 PM
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I’ve already figured out that I’m romantically unappealing to women. I’ve figured out that I’m a “hideous troll”. Sure I’ll keep putting myself out there but I’ll already have a good idea of how it’ll go. Do I wish I was wrong with this? Sure. But the only way it’ll change is if I have experience that feeling. At 30, I don’t have my hopes up anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:36 PM
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Average. I am exercising outside 5-6 days a week. Also I’ve seen others who are more fat than me have romantic success so do these things really matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:22 PM
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I’m not blaming anybody. But also does going into a blaming gender game really the way to go about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:19 PM
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I’ve been trying to my whole dating life. I’ve never experienced any of it at all. No woman has ever had any interest/flirt with me that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:18 PM
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And my point was that there are those who never feel that attraction not because they don’t allow it but they never experience. No one gives them that experience/feel. Also how much longer does someone have to keep trying before they experience it? Till the rest of their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:11 PM
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What if you are never desired though? Like what you sell yourself, all women are rejecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:52 PM
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What if there isn’t any woman who wants to?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:51 PM
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I think it has to do more with not being able to relate to these men struggles along with not imagining what’s it’s like to be unappealing even after doing it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:51 PM
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I’m 6’0 BTW but being tall doesn’t matter for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:49 PM
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I’m not interested in hearing anymore cliche dating advice. The 30 years of living with no woman ever flirting with me or being interested in me that way is enough for me to realize just how romantically unappealing I am to women. Ah yes, be a influential figure in history of a certain subject. That’s easy to do…..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:01 PM
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It’s just as absurd to tell men they aren’t allowed/stop whining about not being desired in a romantic way. Especially from those who couldn’t even a second walk in their shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:56 PM
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You’re talking to one right now. Also let me ask you this: if I can’t whine, then what? Am I allowed to be angry? Am I allowed to be mad?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 04:09 PM
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What if a man does self improvement and all women still find him romantically unappealing and they still won’t settle for him or be apart of duty sex? Then can they complain? Because that’s where a lot of these men feel like after doing everything right. Also doesn’t this also mean women need to be honest about what they find attractive and what will never attract them as well? I think being honest and saying there some features about some man that will always make them forever undateable. Thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 03:49 PM
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Both are terrible for their own reasons. But B is the one I would pick. Shoot there are certain elements in B’s life that are in mine as well. It’s defiantly terrible for my romantic life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 10:20 PM
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It’s very common for a man not to approach anymore. In fact the percentage of men who don’t approach continues to rise in the years to come. Because it’s not just facing rejection anymore. It’s facing rejection and being labeled for something (creep, perv, etc) that they are not (unless they are purposely doing it). Not to mention many women have said they don’t like being approached anymore and men took that to heart. It’s why I believe there isn’t a place to approach women anymore. Place like …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 08:35 PM
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For anyone on here going on a date tonight/this weekend, good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:08 PM
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The introvert ND women are dating the NT introvert or extrovert men. I’ve even seen/read these women say they don’t want to date a ND man. The truth is that ND men are the least desirable in a romantic sense. Nobody wants to date them (including me since I’m apart of this). Women can see something is different about us but they aren’t sure what it is. Since they’re not sure, the fear of unknown takes over and we are viewed as being creepy if we make eye contact with them. Its why there are lot m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 04:42 PM
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1: I already assumed I was going to pay (especially if I asked her out) so her admitting this on the first date wouldn’t change much. 2: I’d believe it on a surface level (as far as her saying it) but I don’t know if I’d truly believe it. 3: If I still think we have a lot in common, we both like and are attracted to each other, then yes I would. 4: I would go to that date expecting to pay it all but if she wants to split it half, I might ask her if she’s sure but once she says yes, I’d let her p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 09:35 PM
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It’s cliche advice. A way to get you to stop talking about your struggles. We do the exact same to those who struggle with dating. Cause at the end of it all, nobody cares if you’re struggling with this. They’ll just quickly blame you and have you shut up about it asap.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 04:28 PM
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Except I’m not underestimating my potential. I know exactly who I am. All of the info regarding how to date is wrong when you’re ugly and autistic.
/r/seduction21/02/25 02:54 PM
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I doubt it. The perception of someone who’s apart of the Passport are men that no woman desires in their country. If anything, women aren’t concerned about the passport.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 05:33 AM
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If they’re 30+ and have never been in a relationship or a date, yes it’s a major turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 11:09 PM
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What is a good thing though? Cause I can you examples of people doing things that were considered good by some but bad by others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 09:39 PM
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I never said the followed advice where is my success quote. Also if someone did follow the advice correctly and still had no success, it shouldn’t be surprising to hear them say that the advice was useless. Because in their minds it was based on their lack of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 09:36 PM
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What do you think those needs are?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 07:38 PM
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OP, please define a good person in your opinion. What makes them be a good person?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 07:31 PM
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Yes I’ve realized that there isn’t someone out there for everyone and how some of us are meant to be forever single. I’ve accepted that I’m one of these individuals, I’m still very sad and heartbroken by it. Counseling and therapy can’t help me with this. Having a social life can’t fix this either. Because it’s one of our biggest wants in life. The best answer for me is to suppress my emotions/desires for it. Basically turn off all emotions I have for it. Be robotic in a sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 06:24 PM
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I know who I am as a person and how it compares to overall dating. Basically I’m the polar opposite of what to be in dating. Plus I believe there isn’t someone out there for everyone as well.
/r/seduction20/02/25 04:24 PM
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Who’s most people? Because one would argue that most people don’t date like this and it’s seems to be evident by the number of single people rising. Yes rejection is apart of dating but nobody wants to talk about those who are always rejected even after following the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 04:23 PM
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Go on a my first ever date. But I don’t have any high hopes of it happening.
/r/seduction20/02/25 02:44 AM
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It’s everything but attitude isn’t the biggest one. It’s the being ugly and autistic. The attitude came after the failures. As there’s no guarantees, there also isn’t someone out there for everyone as well. Some people are meant to be single no matter what they do to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 12:23 AM
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My two biggest flaws are being ugly and autistic. As mentioned, I can’t change that but that’s also a major reason as to why I’ve never been on a date. The embrace change and different approach path. That doesn’t take into account of trying to go down that path and yet you keep failing. How much change must one go through before they get the success they want? The funny thing is, I did a lot of the things you mentioned in your second paragraph and guess what, still nothing. I didn’t get this opi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 11:45 PM
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And since you can’t verify it, don’t say it until you can verify it. That’s my point. That’s why people criticize the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:28 PM
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If you’re trying to say personality and attitude matters, no argument from me. But looks do matter and they matter in a bigger way than people want to admit. Is having a good personality and attitude matter? Yes they do. Are they bigger importance than looks? I say no to that. Maybe since you can’t describe it on an Internet forum, then maybe the advice shouldn’t be said then. Maybe if you really want to help them, get to know them then. Don’t halfass it by giving out this cliche advice. Go all …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:18 PM
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How about 90%? How about advice where out of every 10 men who follow it, 9 of them have it working for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:04 PM
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“You all need to accept it might not work out so live your life in a way where it’s fulfilling even if it doesn’t result in a wife” The last people who should be saying this to someone are those who’ve have experienced romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 10:03 PM
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Except it’s not just me who’s saying this though. It’s a bunch of men and women who are saying this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:29 PM
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Yep every time. In that sense, just someone to try and talk to. As far as overall standards, I do have list and all but it’s not something I immediately think about when I try. The whole dating scene is very different when you’re ugly and autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:27 PM
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To a degree yes to all of your questions. It’s also about how you look, behave and present yourself. There haven’t been any successes though. So all I keep getting is failures and mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 09:24 PM
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That’s true if they find you interesting enough in a positive way. If not, they’ll just make the ice 10X bigger than what it already was. Guess who’s seen the ice always be bigger for their entire life?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 08:45 PM
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I fortunately have never lost a family member due to this but I can certainly understand the pain of losing a family member over something silly like dying from someone who can’t get dates. Terms with what? Being undateable?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 08:37 PM
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Those places are disappearing at a alarming rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 08:29 PM
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No more like 9 out of 10 men get at least a first date with someone if they followed advice. Because it would at least show they are desired Success in that regard. Not getting 9 out of 10 by doing this advice. No but they are getting killed by someone who isn’t getting dates. That’s what I want to prevent from happening. Decrease the chances of someone becoming the next Elliott Rodger (hope I don’t get in trouble for saying his name on here) Edit: regarding not getting killed because they can’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:56 PM
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Those places are permanently disappearing and the one that are still around, women have a don’t bother me vibe/energy around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:45 PM
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No but we should get as close as we can to 100%. We (people) go back to the drawing board and use our critical thinking skills to create advice that will bump that percentage up. Of course trial and error will be needed but we keep trying until we creat advice that’ll at least a 90+% rate. The cliche advice success rate is IMO 45-50%. So we’re not even close. Edit: of course if you think this is too much, then you’re indirectly saying it’s ok to have innocent people lose their lives. We’ve seen …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:32 PM
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It’s not surprising to see so many commenters not fully understanding as far as why the cliche advice is bad. I’d guess most commenters have had success from this advice thus they believe it works. They couldn’t even imagine doing this advice and still getting nowhere as far as dates goes. They probably couldn’t even last a day being us without messing them up somehow. They just don’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:11 PM
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Acceptance to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:51 PM
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Evidence says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:39 PM
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Being myself has led to me being 30 years and have never been on a first date. Being myself certainly is amazing advice……..
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:35 PM
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Tell that to the family members who lost a loved one due to someone being too angry about their lack of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:31 PM
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Then would the anger be justified then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:30 PM
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But those %’s should be a lot higher and the cliche dating advice isn’t reaching that %. It’s not even close either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:23 PM
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Cliche dating advice actually doesn’t work. It may work but it also may not as well. We have countless evidence of people following this advice and still end up being unappealing. At what point do we (people) say: “this advice isn’t creating the success that we think it should have, let’s go back to the drawing board and find something that’ll result in more success”?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:21 PM
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Advice that actually works. Not advice that may or may not work for them in regards to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:13 PM
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I would think most women would agree that being physically healthy is attractive. Also one could argue that being sexy means being confident in who you are and how you display yourself to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:48 AM
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I think if anything, women want to be flirted by only the men they find attractive. When someone does that they don’t find attractive, they get a ick reaction and go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:46 AM
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Agree. Trying to force someone to like you can end very disastrous for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:20 AM
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There isn’t a solution to fix this. It’s somewhat each individual love shy man will have to figure out on their own. Most advice that they’ll get will be useless in helping them. If they never get it, that’s on them and oh well. Others will constantly remind of how he’s to be blamed for this. If they start blaming women for it, others will be quickly correct then even it means by the way of bullying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:18 AM
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I guess I’m screwed then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 07:23 AM
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Oh. Well my intention with my post was for dating and relationships. Which is why I was confused by your Chad comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:27 AM
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That’s Chad treatment? Being someone’s first interest? Jeez
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 02:48 AM
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I’d say no but when someone has that mindset and sticks by it, it doesn’t matter if it’s realistic or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:32 PM
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I don’t disagree. You can live your whole life being romantically unappealing to all men and women. It won’t kill you but it can be tough to live through. But OP’s question was asking about women though. Not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:06 PM
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Not just women but men as well. And again the romance may not be apart of being first but the desire to be first in other things defiantly exists within all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 07:05 PM
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Oh but they don’t. They might think it is but their actions tell a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:49 PM
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Shoot I can’t even get hookup matches either. Not that I’m saying I wanted them but basically I get nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:43 PM
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A lot of adults actually do though. It just may not be with it when it comes to romance but they definitely have that desire though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:42 PM
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Men and women do have desires to be the first of anything. Being someone’s first romance is no different. Not to mention how we make fun of others who older and have no experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:34 PM
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Yes I think? What apps do that? Still nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:30 PM
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It may not be bad for you but defiantly is bad for others including me. I’ve been on them for 6+ months. No matches and no likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:15 PM
2

I think the commenter meant more so of there being one person who would find you romantically appealing due to billions of people. Whether they find that person or not is a different story. I disagreed on it due to how some people are always going to be romantically unappealing to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:14 PM
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The beef thing was a metaphor. My point was that someone wants to be the top choice for someone else from the very beginning. Both men and women want that in a sense. Also just because there’s billions of people in this world doesn’t mean much. A person can still be unappealing in the romantic sense to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:51 PM
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Because many women will say they don’t need sex to have a happy life and/or live. If they ever get in that mood, they can simply pull out a toy to satisfy it thus there’s no need for a man. Also I feel like this should be a discussion post rather than a debate post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 05:41 PM
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It’s both. A man wants to be the top choice from the very beginning. Men don’t want to be a top choice because someone changed their standards. They want to be the Japanese Kobe Beef steak for someone. Not the round steak.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 04:57 PM
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Cause I’ve been outside and have seen relationships that would go against either pills. But I guess if there was ever one I’d be apart of, it’d be the black one. But I’m not and will never be apart of any pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 06:48 AM
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Being myself has led me to being a 30 year who’s never been on a first date with a woman. I may not believe in the pills but being myself hasn’t gotten me anywhere at all either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 01:42 AM
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I’d say 0-2 a month. But the chances of it being 0 per month are a lot higher than 1-2.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:35 PM
2

I think it’s fair to a few of those 1-2% take part in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:29 PM
1

Do you think there are some forever irredeemable/undatable men on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:06 PM
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These apps/companies hate it when two people find each other on them because it means they lose potential money from each which overall hurts their bottom line. These companies would rather have you be forever single while using their apps because it means they’ll make money from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:39 PM
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I think if anything a nice guy wants to be someone they find attractive while the other feels the same about them. They get told that if they do A through Z, women will be interested in them. So they do A through Z only to find out that no woman is attracted to them, it comes at quite a shock and shakes the very foundation they were told and believed in. The question becomes what emotion they will use to react to this sudden discovery. For most, it’s anger. Why are they being obsessive about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:24 PM
2

How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:27 PM
3

Funny enough but I talked about this on another post and I’ll share it on here as well: Now let me first say that I’m not disagreeing on the importance of self improvement nor am I disagreeing on how self improvement must be done for you and you only. But one thing I see never gets talked about with self improvement is even after doing it, it still may not make you unappealing. Now obviously self improvement is the act of improving your physical, mental and emotional health so you can create a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:45 PM
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I guess I’m screwed then since I’m ugly and autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:23 AM
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It is what it is. I gotta accept it even if I don’t want too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:03 AM
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Been on them for months. No matches and no likes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:44 AM
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Welp another Valentine’s Day being single again. It sucks but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 05:38 AM
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Cause those fit men may/do like larger women? I mean there are some who are really into that kinda stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:38 PM
1

This seems too personal of a question to be asking any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:22 PM
1

It’s for both but more importantly it’s for companies. Otherwise Valentine’s Day should be illegal/ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:18 PM
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Yes creeps exist. I’m one of them. I’ve been accused of being a creep by women who I’ve never even interacted with. Also Disney adult? Is that supposed to be a shot at neurodivergent men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 04:07 PM
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None of that is guaranteed to make someone be attracted to them. They can do all of that and still end up with no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 03:23 PM
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If attraction is non-negotiable and no woman ever found you attractive, are you just screwed then since looks matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:42 AM
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I’ve never been in one before but I don’t think I would find healthy relationships to be boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 04:07 AM
4

Is this post basically saying: ugly men are bad because they are ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 02:32 AM
1

Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 02:21 AM
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If everything was just and people’s opinions were the same I’d agree. But that’s defiantly not the case for older male virgin. Being an older male virgin is unique in a bad way. It’s an indicator that something is terribly wrong with them. Unless they are deep in their religious beliefs but even then, it’s still frowned upon. Also, yes people do make fun of these older virgin men as well. I mean think about it the whole “no bitches” insult is a way to describe how no woman wants to be with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:13 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 02:25 PM
2

You’re adding the incentives (cleaning, cooking, etc) as a way to hide the fact that she’s an escort. Someone who gets paid to fake their desire for you. An escort that’ll do extra things most wouldn’t even do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:00 AM
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We still have continuous debates on the who, where, when, and how to approach women from both a cold and warm approach. Places like bars, clubs, etc are starting to be frowned upon as places to approach women. Plus in my experience, women have always given me a don’t bother me vibe to them whenever I’m out in the public. I feel like a lot of men feel the same way thus they don’t try anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 07:18 PM
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Autism isn’t a masculine trait though. But as far as why people don’t date someone with autism, it goes back to fear of unknown. They know something is different about us but they can’t pinpoint what it is exactly. Because of that, they don’t want to date someone that has a lot more unknowns to them than a NT person. It’s why a lot of autistic men never get the chance to date and be in a relationships. Cause the chances were never there from the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 06:48 PM
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No clue. But I know for sure I wouldn’t spend any money on this company. Because again, you’re paying someone to fake their desire for you. You’re just adding extra incentives for more money to try hiding what the overall point of it is. It’s like eating a bad chicken fried steak by itself. Sure you add gravy, salt and pepper on it but it’s still a bad chicken fried steak.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 05:26 PM
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Respectfully I didn’t go that far/deep thinking into this hypothetical world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:49 AM
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The importance of having friends and family in your life is big and having those can alleviate the loneliness that someone has. But those things can’t fix romantic loneliness. I’ll even piggyback on your original point and say being romantically lonely for a very long time can really mess someone up. More so of their mental and emotional side.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:34 AM
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It’s one of those things where getting accused of it has more consequences than what the intention might have been. Being called a creep nowadays can really affect a person’s social stature that could take a very long time to recover from.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 03:23 AM
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Yeah my last statement was hypothetical based on a different world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:59 AM
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So you don’t think they’d change their minds if that if they work on themselves, they would be guaranteed a date with someone? (Hypothetical of course)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 12:19 AM
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I guess so from an indirect POV. My point was indirect isn’t going to change them change their mind. Direct POV could.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:44 PM
5

I feel like it’s worth mentioning doing all of those things doesn’t guarantee that it would make them romantically desirable to someone. They could easily still be in the position before they started self improving.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:49 PM
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Because they seen others poop on someone for saying that they are romantically lonely. Thus they don’t want to have that same fate. Those who do say are romantically lonely get accused of being something they’re not. Ranging from putting women on a pedestal to being labeled as incel. With this, it’s either lie about it or indirectly say it. I mean would you want to get pooped on for saying you want a relationship by others who have never even come close to the position that the one who said is i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 10:28 PM
1

That’s not what I’ve been told in my life
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:53 PM
4

From what I’ve seen on Reddit, most are except for 1-3 things
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:35 PM
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I think most would if they knew it’d work out for them at the end of it. But of course that’s not how life works.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:23 PM
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“For every ugly short guy you point out, Im sure I can find someone who looks like that who has a girlfriend. Sure, she might not be a supermodel, but cummon, let’s be realistic.” Saying stuff like this to someone isn’t going to make them think differently. You have to present in a way that benefits them. How? That’s still a big question that nobody has figured out yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 09:09 PM
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It’ll never work/serve its primary purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:57 PM
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Some may feel if they did tell the truth as far as being romantically lonely, they’d get criticize more for actually saying it over indirectly saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:56 PM
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But it’s also possible for someone to be sectioned from any hanging out with NT and ND people. They are to different for NT people but to normal for ND people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:06 PM
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They’re close minded due to fear of unknown along with a vibe they might get. That’s why a lot of autistic people never get the chance to make friends and date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 06:31 PM
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Makes sense if you assume that everyone has the chance to practice being friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:48 PM
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I actually have. It’s just not the way you want it to be thus we have our difference of opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:30 PM
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I’ve already elaborated on it for you in my original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:17 PM
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Your OP indirectly did so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 05:02 PM
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Respectfully I did
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:55 PM
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Maybe choose better is a way of saying stay forever single. I mean you’ve found that the men you want don’t want you and the men that want you, you don’t want. Maybe just accept that relationships just aren’t meant for you. But if you really want to be in one, find the best one for you among those who do want you and ignore the ones who don’t want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:09 PM
1

I’d imagine they’re aware of it but I don’t think they can fully tell if someone has it or not. Because I’d that, they fear the unknown for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:52 AM
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And as someone who has autism, my experiences tell me otherwise. We are labeled as creel due to the unknowns that people bestow up us on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 08:01 AM
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Being ugly, being neurodivergent (especially autism), bad body language, bad personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 07:40 PM
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And that’s where we are different in this. I think someone would care that they couldn’t be apart of that group because of their gender. I think someone would make those accusations about them until they pressured to let them join.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:28 PM
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And what if he did approach 100 women and they all told him to get lost? Let’s bump the number to 500? All rejected him? Now what? Just keep trying? Also I completely disagree on the part as far how doing those things will help ND’s men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:19 PM
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So if you wanted to join a nerdy group but they said no because it’s a men only group and you are a women, would you accuse them of being hateful to women since they told you no?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:05 PM
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Disagree. You could argue that the sexual marketplace is creating these mental blocks for men due to always getting rejected along with a constant reinforcement of what women actually want (through social media).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:59 PM
2

Why does no one think a lonely 40 year old virgin is normal?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 07:31 PM
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Do you really think they care if it’s wrong or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:39 PM
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Respectfully, I’m not sure if OP’s post really tie into the point of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:03 PM
3

Oh yes we can. We easily justify it on here. Especially from a romantic sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:01 PM
3

I think it falls back on the idea of how never experiencing it can really mess someone up. Since it does, the idea of a need vs a want becomes blurry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 04:16 PM
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I think it goes back to what I said sometime ago which was: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/AImarDXvpr Sex will never be a need but it’s seems obvious that those who desire and never get it, it can really mess them up mentally and emotionally. I’ll use myself as an example: I’ve always had a desire to go on dates and be in a relationship. However, no woman has ever been interested in me in a romantic sense. I’ve never even been flirted with/hit on before. Now are those things needed t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 03:59 PM
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A vicious cycle in a sense for them. Don’t try and they’re ignored. Do try and it’s a major turn off. They can’t win.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:42 AM
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I understand the point of your post but I also think some men kinda have to be desperate to a degree. Or at least try to find someone to be one with. Because let’s be honest, some of those who quit cold turkey will always be ignored by women in a romantic sense. And if that’s something a person really wants but are stuck in that, not trying may not be a better answer for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:40 AM
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Cause I’m too normal for autistic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 02:58 AM
1

And most don’t really care that adapting can make us suicidal. They still expect/want it. Especially during vulnerable times such as dating and relationship’s. The number of single looking to date autistic men is and always will be higher compared to a NT single men looking to date. There are a ton of people that simply don’t want date a autistic man due to being different in a way they don’t like. To a degree you can’t blame them either for not wanting to date us. Even if they aren’t majority, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:02 PM
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“any man purchasing an AI girlfriend let alone a robot sex doll is always going to be a figure of ridicule and derision; you’re essentially announcing to the world that you can’t get a real woman and advertising your failure.“ They were already getting ridiculed anyway even without the robots. It’s not like it’ll be something new for them to experience. It might be new and/or more people but it’s nothing that they haven’t experienced beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:45 PM
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We tell the undesirables (minority) to change/adapt to be the desirables (majority) because the desirables aren’t going to date you. If you never do, oh well that’s their fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:33 PM
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NT’s are still (I think) the majority of the world and they aren’t going to make changes at the expense of the majority for the benefit of the few. The ND’s have to adapt to the NT’s way and if they can’t bummer. But oh well. It’s the same case for dating and relationships as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:31 PM
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Maybe it’s a sign that autistic men shouldn’t be dating and getting into relationships (and I say this as a autistic man). Especially since we are different in a way that people don’t like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:37 PM
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I doubt it. The undesirables will still be undesirable. They’ll just have a robot that won’t see them that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:08 PM
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And of course if you’re someone who knows they are physically repulsive to women, they aren’t going to put in the effort at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:04 PM
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I’d say most are putting the effort in to make themselves be more appealing for women while also trying to have a happy life. The issue they feel like is that women won’t even notice them in that way due to their looks. They also see everyone around them put in the same or less amount of the effort and have no trouble finding dates and hook ups. Once they reach past a point of continued rejection and seeing success from everyone else, they start questioning if it’s worth continuing on. Once they…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 07:03 PM
4

Well yeah I wasn’t disagreeing on that. But seduction can feel like it’s a very deep if you’re someone who’s an over thinker (which is who I am)
/r/seduction30/01/25 06:51 PM
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“Seduction isn’t that deep guys” Unless you’re a major over thinker like me. Lol
/r/seduction30/01/25 06:42 PM
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You can be empathetic (as far as the feelings and emotions of being unappealing to all women) and not wonder how you’re supposed to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:52 PM
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Even less pairings would potentially increase the population of each pill (especially black). Less pairings could mean we see a decent increase of misogyny and misandry talk which would make the men vs women talk even worse than it already is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 07:38 PM
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Both men and women are realizing the juice isn’t worth the squeeze anymore and they blame the other for that reason. The only way the juice will be worth it is if both men and women make realistic compromises regarding dating and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:45 PM
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I do think overall sex will be taboo and illegal one day. But none of us on here will be alive when that day comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:32 PM
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At the end of it all, both men and women want to be desired and wanted by someone they find attractive. However if one ever reaches a point where they’ll be single forever for whatever reason (not attracted to anybody, nobody attracted to them), they best thing for a person to do is grieve over that loss. To a degree treat it like a family member loss. Yes relationships will never be a need but it’s one of our biggest if not biggest wants in our life. To grieve over never having that want is an …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:47 PM
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It might be time to a run a poll on here (if PPD even allows it) regarding your 90% comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:25 PM
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No bucket of beer?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:46 PM
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Because it’s a very simplistic way of thinking behind that statement. It’s a statement you make if the world was just. It’s a statement you make if it was true for everyone across the board. But it’s not true. It’s not true based on the evidence of common sense in the world. It’s not true based on my and the reading of other IRL experiences (and no that’s not why I was friends with them). Like I said I do agree that having friends is having valuable. I disagree on the statement of having friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:36 PM
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I guess if you put it in a very simplistic terms and we live in a just world sure. But the world isn’t simple nor is it just. So someone with those bullets could easily still miss the target. Correct me if I’m wrong but you think having friends would increase the chances of someone finding romantic love. I’d say it may or may not increase those chances. But to think it would automatically is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:54 PM
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Just be careful not to label all unattractive as having a terrible personality (which I’m not saying you did, just to be careful for future discussions)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 05:20 PM
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Yes I read what was written and I even agreed on the idea of value of having friendships. I just disagree on the idea that these benefits will increase the chances of someone finding romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:28 PM
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Could that be the case for some? Sure. The case for all? No. Some less attractive men will struggle due to their looks while having a good personality. Some will never have a woman be attracted to them no matter what. That’s just how life can go.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 03:22 PM
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Yes having a good personality matters but looks also matter as well. Looks matter more than people want to admit on. I’m guessing people don’t want to be seen as shallow for admitting to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:31 PM
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And I would come back and say having friends may not increase the likelihood of it happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:19 PM
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Why not? If someone is actively trying to form/maintain social bongs and make friends but never having any luck, they can voice their frustrations and complain about it. They can complain while also realizing what changes they need to make to better with those social bonds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:27 AM
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It’s nice and beneficial for anyone to have friends in their life. But having friends doesn’t mean it’ll increase the chances of someone potentially finding romantic love. A guy can have 10+ friends for 10+ years and still have never find it. They might not even meet their friends social circles either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:15 AM
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This might be controversial but being neurodivergent is a negative trait for a man. Because we (yes I’m neurodivergent too) are different in a way that NT’s just don’t get. They are know something is different but they’re don’t know what and why we are different. Because of that, a lot of us won’t ever get the chance to date. Some will stay forever single. It sucks but that’s just the way people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:04 AM
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I think it’s fair to say that this epidemic isn’t great and has a damaging effect on everyone. But I don’t know if I’d say it’s worse than what we want to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 06:01 AM
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It’ll be cheaper in the long run (as far as buying ai robot vs seeing a sex worker) and maybe the continued advancement of AI will make it seem like it’s not fake. Or maybe people will get used to the fake emotion that it’ll provide and be ok with it. Maybe one day people will see sex as taboo and possibly try to make it illegal. But we’re taking generations down the line before we ever get to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:17 PM
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The problem was never solvable from the get go as some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense. IMO, the creation, availability and cheapness of a ai woman robot could be the closest answer to solving this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:31 PM
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“Then men should be honest and state that they want a romantic relationship with a healthy sex life instead of complaining about this vague sense of loneliness.“ I think many men would if they felt like it was ok for them to say this. But I bet most won’t/don’t say it because they think they’ll get ridiculed/mocked/bullied/etc for admitting to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:20 PM
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Because it wouldn’t fully solve the issue for them. I would imagine that it’ll solve the issue for some of the men. But for others, the only it can be solved is by being desired/wanted in a romantic sense from someone they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:00 PM
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Both men and women will continue to blame the other as far as why they’re not able to go on dates/be in relationships. Because almost all of this is very subjective and nobody wants to take/accept blame. We (humans) are very selfish creatures. We want it all and if we don’t, we blame others for the reasons that they couldn’t get it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 04:21 PM
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I don’t think you need to be asshole to acquire love but I do think you need to be confident to be appealing and all. Also, I’m wondering if you have followed this model for yourself? What were the results?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:28 AM
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Exactly. Someone can do everything right and still end up with nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:14 AM
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“but there’s very few guys in the world that can’t find someone” But they do exist and I think it’s fair to say one of those guys are apart of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:12 AM
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You could do all of things you mentioned on here and still end up dating no one. Even if you became one of the strongest people in the world. If nobody ever wants to date/be with you, then nobody does. You can’t force someone to like you that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 08:44 PM
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You can copy someone who’s successful to the exact dot and still end up with nothing. It’s the way life can go.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 08:11 PM
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Point is there aren’t any options for them. Point is that those who are physically and sexually repulsed by everyone will complain about it. Complain about women only wanting a certain kind of men and whatnot. Basically, the cycle of this kinda stuff will always continue on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:44 PM
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Becoming a passport bro isn’t going to change as far as them getting rejected by everyone. And becoming a monk require major life changes outside of relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:34 PM
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What if no avenue works for them no matter how much they improve upon it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:26 PM
5

Almost every man wants to be desired/wanted by someone who they find attractive in a romantic sense. The problem is that those someone’s don’t feel the same way about that man. When everyone that the man is attracted too all don’t feel the same way, it can make the man feel like nobody would want them. For most, that belief is a false one and could be changed if they changed their more open to their attraction/standards. For others (like me), it’s the truth no matter what. The point is when some…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:13 PM
1

For every friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:56 PM
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I certainly don’t blame anyone for wanting to not be in the friend zone anymore. Especially if it’s affecting their mental and emotional health. Simply eating a tub of ice cream and crying overnight isn’t going to make them feel better. And those who complain about always being in the friend zone don’t like always being rejected. Cause nobody likes being rejected. If you’re someone who always lands in the friend zone and gets rejected, you’re going to complain about it. It doesn’t mean that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:38 PM
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How would you define the bottom 20%?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:36 AM
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No and the fact that someone thought this is wrong IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:31 AM
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It seems like the best way to meet others to date is through your friends social circles. So basically you have to be good at networking. If you don’t have any friends, you need to make friends and become a good enough friend in which your current friends will introduce you to their friends. Basically continue the process until you meet someone who you have a mutual attraction with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:45 PM
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Virgin shaming defiantly continues once we (people) are done with school and university. What’s changed is the way people have shamed us. There’s still a very negative perception/stigma around those who are older virgins. It’s why we don’t openly share us being one. People make fun of those who are different in a which they can’t figure out why we’re different.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 07:15 PM
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I never said self improvement doesn’t affect the mindset in a positive way. I said self improvement may or may not increase your chances of being in a relationship. And that is the truth. The truth doesn’t care if it’s positive or negative. It only cares for what is the truth. Your nephews can do all of the right things for self improvement and have a positive mindset at the end of it. However even with that positive mindset, there’s a chance that no woman will ever be interested in them in a ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:26 PM
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I thought this was a thing that most people knew already.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:20 AM
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People can improve themselves but it doesn’t mean anything as far as being in a relationship. A person can do all of the “right” things and still end up forever single. It’s a way life can happen for someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:17 AM
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I disagree. I think there’s a small percentage of people in which no one wants to be with romantically. The reasons for each will vary from person to person but nobody wants to be with them in that way. They’ve always been rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:05 AM
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Well it’ll never be a need but it’s one of the top (if not 1) wants that many people desire in life. And while internal is and always more important, you do need external validation as well. You can’t solely rely on one or the other but you do need a healthy balance of both. And I personally believe that it isn’t healthy for anyone to go through life with no man or woman ever having romantic interest in them. I personally feel like it can easily mess someone up mentally and emotionally. Sure liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 07:46 AM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:29 PM
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That may be true but I do think it’s possible for someone to always get told no when trying to approach in the appropriate places
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:22 PM
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I’ve see your narrative along with mine (through others along with my own experience) as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:04 PM
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It seems like the bars, dance clubs, festivals, etc are starting to not be ok though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:59 PM
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True but if every woman is giving you the don’t bother me vibes, it’s hard to even start trying to talk to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:23 PM
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It is for some men who are apart of that loneliness but not all. Plus there’s been a gigantic and continuous debate on approaching a woman (especially with who, when, where and how). Also some would say rejection isn’t as simple as it used to be. There’s fear of being labeled as a creep and the potential consequences that could from being labeled as one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:46 PM
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Yeah I’ve seen them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:24 PM
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One could argue that believing in any pill makes you weaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 06:08 PM
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In the case for the men I’m talking about, they are the bottom of every male status hierarchy no matter where they go. Any change of their audience would still result in the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 05:10 PM
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Hope was never there to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:39 PM
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I mean if that’s your starting viewpoint on any potential women you like to go on a date with, then it seems like it’s not worth the effort of dating her or anyone in that matter. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze in a sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:33 PM
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I don’t know if it’s fear but more so of being overly cautious along with a take no chance attitude to go along with it. Cause let’s face it, nobody wants to suddenly lose their job over being accused of something they did/didn’t do. Of course if they did it and the offense of it is on the grounds of termination, then they deserve to lose it. But it’s different if they lose it for something they didn’t do and therefore aren’t taking any chances. As the article said, it’s unattended consequence o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 04:22 PM
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In my post, I’m talking about those who are unappealing no matter what. Like if they initiate the flirting, they’ll be met with eye rolls, disgust, etc from the receiver.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 03:39 PM
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How small do you think it is? I’d say it’s around 2-4%
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 06:57 AM
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It is
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 06:56 AM
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I guess in some regard, it’s yes. Extreme end would be someone who’s nonverbal and can’t take care of themselves. But the overall range is from those who can take care of themselves/communicate with no disabilities but still unappealing to those who can’t even think for themselves, can’t speak for themselves and need 24/7 help.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 11:32 PM
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It would vary from to person but it’s possible it’s one, two and/or all three of the things you’ve mentioned. Edit: There are those you think would or wouldn’t be unappealing to women to later find out they are the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:46 PM
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True. I guess I should have made my post be about people instead of just men. But I do disagree with your second part. I do think there’s at least one person on this sub that has the unfortunate qualities of being unappealing to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:15 PM
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Just out of curiosity, why do you think some aren’t supposed to experience it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:10 PM
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Oh. Well with my post, these men never have a woman be interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:21 PM
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Like eye on interest? Or eye cause you made eye contact with each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:02 PM
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Do you think the men who truly are unappealing are threatend?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:01 PM
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I disagree. I think there are some people out there that nobody wants to be with romantically. And yes I did mention how a lot of guys who think are apart of this aren’t really and could easily not be if they made changes/self improvement and whatnot. And yes if someone truly is unappealing, time spend on forums won’t heal/help you either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 09:00 PM
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Based on our world history, that’s not necessarily true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:04 PM
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There are those you think would or wouldn’t be unappealing to women to later find out they are the opposite. In Hawking’s case, you would think he’d be unappealing but he was married twice and had children as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:02 PM
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Yes and no. I mean that could be the case for some of these men but certainly not all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 08:00 PM
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True. I guess I should have made my post be about people instead of just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:42 PM
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True. I guess I should have made my post be about people instead of just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:38 PM
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Indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:37 PM
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And I have no problem admitting that I’m apart of this group of men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 07:20 PM
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I guess that’s the case for some men as far as why their dating life is nonexistent. But I also do think it’s possible to do all of the right things (as far as improving whatever issues they have) and still end up being forever single. That’s just how life can go for someone. I think some men aren’t appealing for anyone and any sort of trying won’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:29 PM
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I would think most women opinion on this range from don’t care to maybe a sigh of relief. Especially if these robots make the undesirables/creep stop trying to be with them and just rely on their robots for their fantasies and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 05:19 PM
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Well there would be pro’s and con’s for women if every average (gonna need a definition and description of this) man gave up on dating. It would be to each individual woman if it’s more of a good or bad thing. If it’s bad for them, they could try to be with a “20%” man. But if all of the “20%” men are taken, then her only choices would be to stay single or directly ask out the “average” man they like. These “average” men aren’t going to ask since they’ve given up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 07:52 PM
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I do believe people should agree and adopt the mindset of there isn’t someone out there for everyone along with you (person) are to different from everybody to be with in a romantic sense. That way if you do remain forever single, you were mentally prepared for it. Some may say it’s a pessimistic/defeatist way of thinking. I say it’s the best way of thinking moving forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 03:46 PM
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That could be the case for some but not for all though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 11:02 PM
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Not for everybody. There are people in their 30’s and 40’s who have never been on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 10:56 PM
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Disagree. You can have 0 of those disabilities and still have no one interested in you. That’s my point with my comment. You can do everything right (as far self care and hobbies) and still end being a 70+ year old virgin who’s never been on a first date before. Why could that happen? Because that’s just how life can go. Goes back to the idea of there isn’t someone out there for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 08:11 PM
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Everything you just said doesn’t guarantee a woman would be interested in a man who does all of that. It might increase his chances of a woman being interested in him. But the end result could be nobody being interested in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:11 PM
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Captain Jean-Luc Picard from Star Trek said: “It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.” A man can do all of the self care/new hobbies in the entire world and still end up as a 70+ year old virgin having never been on a first date. That’s just how life can go.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:09 PM
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I think a lot of people are trying to downplay looks so they aren’t seen as a shallow person. And I completely disagree on the idea of there’s someone who thinks you’re attractive out there for everyone. I think there some people in which nobody finds them attractive even with the self care and having a good personality. Some people are born and will stay a solid 1 in everyone eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 04:08 PM
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Why are people trying to undermine the importance of looks when it comes to dating and whatnot. I’ve seen a ton of people on reddit mentioning how they dated someone because of their personality only and I call BS on that. Sure you need to have a good personality but if you’re a 0-1/10 on a good day, you’re not going to have any people be attracted to you because of how you look. Even with the good personality. So people it’s time to start admitting that looks matter in a bigger way than we want…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 08:06 AM
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Since the new year, me being forever single has really bothered me. It’s like something I can’t handle (which I know doesn’t sound great) anymore. I know it’s a bad way of thinking but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 03:16 AM
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Although my confidence and esteem has brought me nothing (as far as romantic success). Seeing one would make it worse than it already is. Something I’m not willing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:01 AM
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I understand. Just be careful with who you meet and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:54 AM
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I don’t think I’ll ever see one. I feel like it’ll destroy my confidence and esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:50 AM
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30
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:49 AM
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Yeah I know. But it is what it is. Just have to live with it the best I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:41 AM
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30
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:39 AM
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Yes I’m sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:33 AM
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Any and all that would suggest interest from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:30 AM
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Same boat as you on how it makes me feel. It’s something that starting to really bother me though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:30 AM
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How has it made you feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:26 AM
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I was wondering if anyone is like me and has never received any signals (through body language) of romantic interest/attraction from someone else? Gosh I wish I was aromantic
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:22 AM
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Wow. What a very thoughtful comment. One thing I’d add on is that it could be emotionally damaging as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 05:55 AM
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Except my post wasn’t about men. My post was about men and women. People.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:43 PM
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That might be the case for some. But certainly not the case for all. I’m sure there are people who have done what is necessary to find and be attractive and still find no one being attracted to them. Of course the rebuttal to that is keep trying and adapt when needed but not everybody will succeed though. As captain Picard says: “It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not weakness; that is life”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:22 PM
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My post was just a general statement. Also IMO: therapy is overrated and overvalued.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:55 PM
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Well yes nobody can force somebody to be interested in someone. But there are those who can’t read body language at all for whatever reason. There they may not notice said interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:12 AM
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Probably because Roe v Wade isn’t a big reason (compared to other reasons) as to why dating is a disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:10 AM
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JMO: Cause we can’t force people to be with someone that they don’t want to be with. Plus there’s no bound law that says that experiencing romance is required for everyone. If you would start forcing this upon people, it would result in the majority being displeased for the happiness of a few. It just doesn’t make sense. Now yes it’s not healthy for someone to never experience someone being romantically interested in them. But it’s one of those things that although people should acknowledge it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 05:17 AM
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I’ve never been a fan of the whole there’s someone out there for everyone phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 04:15 AM
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I think I took your “playing with your league” too literal by accident. My bad
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:34 PM
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Because there’s no league for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 09:49 PM
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It’s one of those things where nobody is entitled to having someone being romantically interested in them but it’s also not healthy to never experience someone being romantically interested in them as well. There really isn’t a good solution the problem but I do think people should at least acknowledge that it’s not healthy even though there’s nothing they can do to fix it. I didn’t want to turn it into a man vs woman thing which is I mentioned people in my original post. And yes in my 30 years …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 09:38 PM
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Do you think it’s possible for some people, there is no league for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 09:08 PM
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So do you believe there’s someone out there for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:56 PM
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How about just listening to them and acknowledging that by going through what they have went through isn’t healthy for anyone. Sure you can’t fix their issues and simple platitudes are the best you can say for them, but just acknowledging their feelings/emotions matter on it. So long as they aren’t blaming the opposite gender because of it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:41 PM
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The realistic answer for this is to keep trying and be able to adapt until you succeed. But not everybody will succeed and those who don’t will suffer (mentally and emotionally) in ways that a lot of people couldn’t even handle. The end goal would be people acknowledge that hey never experiencing those things can really mess up a person. Sure nobody can really fix it but themselves but just acknowledging what they’re going through isn’t healthy for them. To a degree validating their emotions and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:37 PM
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Depends on what you describe as long term but to a degree yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:07 PM
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Yet I’ve seen people comment how there’s more to life than relationships and sex. Of course they’re right but that’s not really a healthy thing to say to someone who’s been isolated from romantic relationships. Like there are people in their 50’s and 60’s who never been in one, not even a first date. And people tell them that? Woof
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:06 PM
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History has shown us that people who were mean, nasty or too stupid experience romance in their life’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 07:04 PM
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Couldn’t one argue that someone becoming asocial because when they tried to be social, they were left feeling unwanted? Edit: And it’s possible some are asocial without ever trying as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:59 PM
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Like indirectly trying to create a perfect world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:58 PM
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Can’t both things be true though? Sure no one owes anyone to be romantically interested in someone but at the same time, it’s not healthy for someone to never be desired by someone as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:41 PM
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Unfortunately I don’t think anything can solve this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:36 PM
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Quick question for you OP: What is a good person and can you give me examples of people who are a good person?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 06:18 PM
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No it doesn’t.
/r/seduction10/12/24 04:24 PM
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Yes. Rejected from the very beginning. The second they saw me, that was it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:20 PM
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Me. Although instead of failed relationships it’s always facing rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 06:45 AM
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