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I'll agree to disagree but I'll never take the Koss conspiracy seriously. The best quote you can pull to prove her omnipotent influence is from a study that didn't even use her methodology despite the fact that she co-authored it?
/r/MensRights12/02/14 11:44 PM
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It matters because she's being scapegoated for a problem that's institutional, and blaming her keeps us from focusing on the larger issue. That study is from 1987. The idea to classify rape as "penetrative" is not an original idea. There is no evidence that this is the conspiracy cooked up by Mary Koss that this video makes it out to be.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 11:04 PM
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Alright I'm like 80% sure you're trolling but just to be safe One : It's not actually from the CDC. It may be on their site but they didn't conduct it. Check the fine print...it's another "advocacy" group using the veneer of the CDC to pass their crap off as scientifically valid. "The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: 2010 Summary Report is a publication of the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention." another "advoc…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 10:51 PM
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You didn't answer the question. Where's the proof that the CDC used the exact methodology that she suggested because she and only she suggested it?
/r/MensRights12/02/14 10:39 PM
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When female victims were forced to give oral sex to female perpetrators, their responses were classified as "made to penetrate."
/r/MensRights12/02/14 10:26 PM
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So that makes it okay to make men disposable?
/r/MensRights12/02/14 03:33 PM
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And we've all addressed it 100 times. Women already serve in many countries in the world, and are fine at it. Women are physically weaker on average, but there are plenty of women who are stronger than men, and strength isn't the only thing that's necessary to be an effective soldier. You're promoting a policy that devalues men's lives.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 03:07 PM
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This is the thought process that led to these policies in the first place.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 02:49 PM
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Mr Travers said the woman went 'floppy' and had to be supported by Breen, 30, who carried her to a taxi. When the pair arrived back at the teacher's house, the woman was put to bed on the sofa. But the court heard she woke in the night and felt a pain and a weight on top of her. So, basically what you're saying is that I can go out and rape anyone I want as long as I'm confident that they won't be able to prove they didn't agree? How can anyone prove that they did or didn't agree, unless the rap…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 02:45 PM
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This is on point. Most feminists don't understand scientific research, understand how to interpret data, or bother to fact check, and that's their biggest weakness. That's why I'm so frustrated when I see bad sources and bad data posted here- we need to be better at it than them.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 09:15 AM
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one specific category - a forced sexual attack that made use of the genitals of the victim without the victim's consent - was targeted by the researchers for differentiation based solely on the sex of the victim, and the sex of perpetrator most likely to commit that act. How so? Male and female participants were asked the same questions. Male and female data was portrayed in an identical way. The broad umbrella categories obfuscate the data, but parsing out male victims who were forced to penetr…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 08:18 AM
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Are you familiar with the meaning of "author" as it refers to research? Mary Koss was not one of the 8 researchers who conducted the research or wrote the report. She was not associated with the CDC at that time, and hadn't been for several years. She was not one of the ~20 people listed as "contributors" to the study. She is not listed in the acknowledgements. The fact that she co-authored one study cited among two dozen references does not make her an author. Try again.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 08:09 AM
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I agree, I've stated throughout this thread that I'd prefer that the various acts not be lumped into broad categories, and that the broad categories that were used were misleading.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 07:59 AM
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Mary Koss has said many awful things, and her wording in that quote is clearly biased, but it does reflect a legal fact, and I don't see anything to suggest that she alone is responsible for the definition used by a study that she didn't even author. Prior to the CDC's NIPSVS studies usually asked "have you been physically forced to have sex". That is the same question asked of male victims in the NIPSVS, except that oral, anal, and vaginal were parsed out for both male and female respondents. T…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 07:50 AM
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I am saying that I disagree with the classification of "forced to be penetrated" as rape, but "forced to penetrate" as non-rape, because the term "rape" implies a higher level of severity.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 07:41 AM
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There's no indication that females who were forced to penetrate other females would be captured anywhere in this wording. Not "...make you perform oral sex?" On page 17, it says that female victims were included in the "forced to penetrate" category, although the stats were so low that they weren't reported
/r/MensRights12/02/14 07:40 AM
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Yes, I stand corrected. Notably, female perpetrators could also force orally or anally, though my aim is not to minimize forced vaginal sex.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 07:31 AM
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Sure. Here. Page 17 of the report (27 of the PDF), righthand column. See Appendix C for the questions that participants were asked.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 07:19 AM
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The CDC absolutely did not adequately refrain from making value judgements. That's what I said, dude. Reading comprehension. I agree, I would have liked to see those categories parsed on into oral/anal and perpetrator sex (although the study notes that none of the male participants reported being forced to vaginally penetrate a female perpetrator; cases in which that force occurred were presumably by a third party) which is why I wrote that I'd like to see greater differentiation. Men who were f…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 07:16 AM
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How so?
/r/MensRights12/02/14 07:10 AM
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This has compelled me to revisit the study. "Made to penetrate" was the term the CDC used in the write up of the research. It does not reflect the language used in the research. This is the question that participants were asked: "How many people have ever used physical force or threats to physically harm you to make you… have vaginal sex? {if male} perform anal sex? receive anal sex? make you perform oral sex? make you receive oral sex? put their fingers or an object in your {if female: vagina o…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 06:56 AM
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"Differentiation" was the reason given by the CDC official in the recording. I do not feel that the CDC adequately refrained from making value judgments, and I would like to see more research measuring degree of impact in order to demonstrate the very real impact on male victims (although I can see how that's not possible for such large-scale research). The objection that you quote is an objection to the standard research practices as much as it is to the video at hand.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 06:27 AM
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I'd be interested to read the NVAW study. What do you mean by "identical wording"? I agree with you that bias against male victims is established protocol within the research community, which is precisely why I take issue with scapegoating Koss.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 06:12 AM
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This was posted here yesterday and it makes anti-feminists look bad, IMO. Koss wasn't even an author in the study, her last involvement with the CDC was in 2003-4 when she served on an advisory panel. I think it's necessary from a methodological standpoint to differentiate between sex acts as much as possible (while not making value judgments about the degree of impact that they have on the victim without measuring long term psychological effects), though I wish they would call it "forced penetr…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 05:16 AM
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What do you mean by "implement in schools"? Do you mean a study with students as participants? The show sounds cool, although if the judges can still hear their voices clearly I'm not sure how much their gender would really be obfuscated.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 05:04 AM
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Also, you're technically (legally speaking, in the US at least) wrong that it wouldn't count as rape for a woman to sit on a drunk man's face, both because his intoxication would legally impair his ability to consent and because sitting on his face is "oral penetration" (though I agree with you that a jury probably wouldn't go for it). "Rape" is defined as penetrative, regardless of the gender of the penetration, for most research studies because researchers try to methodologically differentiate…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 04:53 AM
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What kind of study? I do know of some psychological research on this, and all of it supports your idea, although the studies that I'm aware of have switched the race/gender of the defendant rather than eliminating their characteristics altogether. I think that the reason that courts don't do this is probably because jury comprehension is already so low, and the literacy of jurors varies widely. I like this idea, though, it's like how many American orchestras have blind auditions. Maybe jurors co…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 04:38 AM
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It'll never make it past committee.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 03:47 AM
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I don't know, man. You can be drunk and have sex without raping someone, but it's also possible to rape someone while drunk. He was sober enough to walk, she wasn't.
/r/MensRights12/02/14 03:08 AM
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Alright, let's talk about this. The 1 in 5 statistic is based on the 2010 CDC NISVS report. It reflects the rate of sexual violence per lifetime, not per year, and aggregates rapes, sexual assaults, and attempted rapes, including those that were not convicted or reported. The article that you linked doesn't cite its source-- which is in and of itself unacceptable-- but as it's reporting a crime rate, those figures are likely to reflect either the number of reported or convicted rapes (not includ…
/r/MensRights12/02/14 01:31 AM
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Well, yeah. Their activism has been harmful because it's mostly left the misconception that men can't be raped unchallenged (and often perpetuated it), but its disingenuous to suggest that they invented that bias. It was around long before feminism and persists heavily in social groups who otherwise admonish women's rights. We're doing an disservice to ourselves if we only focus on feminism without also challenging traditional gender roles.
/r/MensRights11/02/14 09:08 PM
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Well that escalated quickly.
/r/MensRights11/02/14 01:49 AM
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She had me until "evolutionary psychology."
/r/MensRights10/02/14 11:17 PM
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I actually thought that your original argument had some teeth. Feminists obviously drastically over-emphasize gender disparity in rape victims and perpetrators (though they're much more inclusive now than they used to be), but they're damn good at organizing. Feminists successfully made marital rape illegal for female victims, changed the definition of rape to include sexual assault without explicit force, and (most importantly) created rape crisis shelters. http://www.salon.com/2013/08/25/how_f…
/r/MensRights10/02/14 11:05 PM
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Part of the problem is that these aren't new ideas. Everyone is aware that the onus is traditionally on men to initiate, and the proponents of that dynamic are right wing traditionalists, not feminists. It's also blatantly inaccurate to suggest that the legal system conflates leaning in for a kiss with sexual assault-- forcing someone to kiss you is another story, but if you can't tell whether someone is kissing you voluntarily or not, you've got bigger fish to fry.
/r/MensRights10/02/14 10:41 PM
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Strength and military training don't stop men from being sexually assaulted.
/r/MensRights10/02/14 10:26 PM
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