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re: FeminismEmirikolWoker/r/MensRights12/11/14 09:21 PM
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re: FeminismEmirikolWoker/r/MensRights04/06/14 08:33 AM
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The burden of proof lies with the party making the positive claim. And when your initial statement is so vague, that's going to require more work on your part, not less.
/r/MensRights28/07/26 07:23 AM
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You can find the manifesto online, I won’t link it here because I don’t want to get in trouble. "Trust me, bro" isn't evidence. Can you give any names? That should be on the public record, and thus easy to fact-check. I recommend you to not deny or downplay If asking for specifics is denial or downplaying, I fear for the education system. because it is a criminal offense [sic] "Yes officer, this person asked for specifics rather than reading my mind and knowing what I was talking about! Arrest t…
/r/MensRights27/07/26 08:57 PM
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Why? What's wrong? EDIT: Oh, I see your other comment. Apparently someone asking for evidence that unspecified terrorist attacks are caused by "the manosphere" equates to denial and downplaying, rather than asking for clarity, and Chicken Little here seems to think asking for clarity is a criminal offence...somewhere, under some law. Who knows.
/r/MensRights27/07/26 08:49 PM
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Going to need some evidence that 12 terrorist attacks are caused by "the manosphere", along with a clear understanding of what you mean by "the manosphere". Are you, for instance, trying to smear a larger group due by linking them to a violent action with no clear link to the group or an ideology? When you say "manosphere", especially in this context, in which you are linking it to violent actions, who exactly do you mean? Do you have any evidence to back up the assertion, or are you hoping we'd…
/r/MensRights27/07/26 03:47 PM
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Just as well that's not what I asked you.
/r/MensRights27/07/26 03:43 PM
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Full agreement. I was wondering what sednandes meant by their comments - oftentimes, people who talk about the manosphere, especially where they conflate it with general antifeminism or mens rights advocacy, tend to be pretty ambiguous about what exactly they mean by "radicalised" or "dangerous", or even who they're referring to as "manosphere", often in an attempt to make vague accusations of danger and violence against anyone who speaks out against feminist ideology.
/r/MensRights27/07/26 06:49 AM
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Speak on that. Why is it dangerous, what do you mean by radicalised, and why is this an issue?
/r/MensRights27/07/26 06:15 AM
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Do you?
/r/MensRights21/07/26 10:20 PM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Feminists habit of denying that men have systemic issues, then immediately pivoting when shown otherwise to "but who's doing it? Other men!" shows their priorities: women are victims, men are monsters.
/r/MensRights20/07/26 06:14 AM
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1)what did I not address? Also how old are you? Because yes, I’m still in school, but if you are above the age of 16 you might also want to go back to school idk. It seems like you have no media literacy. Reading comprehension fail. Try again. 2) why would I use your self written source as ‘evidence’ gng? How about you read the argument? I know reading comprehension is hard for you, but take it slow, you can do it! So diversity programs in hiring such as the US DEI don’t diminish men’s chances o…
/r/MensRights18/07/26 06:28 AM
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Well done! That’s life, most people have experienced violence in their life! That doesn’t mean they have experienced DV. Are you saying 100% of men have experienced DV? If anyone wants to be a victim in this conversation, it’s you There you go making up what you want me to have said instead of reading and addressing the words. I hope your school helps your reading comprehension. are you seriously using an old Reddit comment as a source? I'm linking to where I laid out the argument elsewhere. Are…
/r/MensRights17/07/26 08:09 PM
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Do you not know that 16 year olds can have summer jobs…? The fact you think that's a "career" does lend credence to you having a minor's understanding. So you did "make up a career and life to make (your) statements sound more credible". But I think the creepier thing is that you kept calling a 16 year old ‘sweetie’ like a predator? Link to where I did that. You should know that accusing someone of grooming is a pretty serious thing to do. EDIT: for some reason, your comments aren't being visibl…
/r/MensRights17/07/26 06:48 PM
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I have a career and things to do You also said you're 16. So are you lying about having a career (which, given the context, is hilarious), or are you lying about being 16 (which is pretty fucking creepy)?
/r/MensRights17/07/26 06:29 PM
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The OP statement did imply that women don’t support other women, and that men are victims to when this happens. Prove it. Where did he say that? Quote it. Sorry that I don’t have to make up a career and life to make my statements sound more credible, Quote where I did that. You just can't help yourself, can you? Can you get through a single reply without making up what you want the other person to have said?
/r/MensRights17/07/26 02:59 PM
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So I never said men don’t experience domestic abuse, Also you: compared to a heterosexual relationship where there is a woman and woman, often only having the woman experience domestic violence in her lifetime. Your claim is that, generally speaking, men don't experience domestic violence. You know that's not true. Around 80-85% of domestic abuse victims are female Especially since the feminist Duluth Model characterises victimhood as female and perpetration as male, and has influenced cultural …
/r/MensRights17/07/26 02:57 PM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). Feminism is, necessarily, opposed to men and their wellbeing.
/r/MensRights17/07/26 02:03 PM
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often only having the woman experience domestic violence in her lifetime Especially given that the Duluth Model of domestic violence, that has informed investigation and intervention since its inception in the 80s, defines domestic violence as something He does to Her. It's hard to recognise male victims of female perpetrators when you define the abuse as something only men do - same with legal definitions of rape. But you do you, pretending male victims and female perpetrators don't exist. Men …
/r/MensRights17/07/26 12:18 PM
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It’s actually not? Then you won't have any trouble answering the brief and point to the quote where OP said that: "Supergirl isnt getting any attention because self proclaimed male victims of feminism aren’t watching the movie, and it shows ‘women’s true colours’ on how they don’t support fellow women in film because some didn’t go to see it" You can't do that, because OP didn't actually say anything of the sort - you disregarded what was actually said in favour of what you made up in your head …
/r/MensRights17/07/26 12:08 PM
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The issue with frequency of reports of only male perpetrators is that, in many places, men are the sole class that are legally capable of being classified as perpetrators. For instance, in the UK, the Sexual Offences Act defines rape as something the perpetrator does "with his penis" (with calls to gender neutralise the law rebuffed on the basis that "most rapists are men", when the law defines it so that only men can be rapists). For DV, prevalence of the Duluth Model in domestic violence servi…
/r/MensRights17/07/26 06:30 AM
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Where was this in his quote? Go on quote him It's feminist policy never to let inconvenient things like "what was actually said" get in the way of a gotcha. Privileging reality over what's in a feminists head is Patriarchy, don't you know!
/r/MensRights17/07/26 04:00 AM
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What have her looks got to do with anything? Abuse is abuse.
/r/MensRights11/07/26 09:56 PM
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The Forced‐To‐Penetrate Myth Acceptance Scale Pretending that female-perpetrated sexual violence doesn't exist by calling it a "myth". I'm sure this study will be worthwhile and devoid of an ideological agenda. Combine the two, you'll get a majority of men I hope you mean "combine the two and you'll have the majority of rapists being men", rather than what reads like the majority of men being rapists. about 70% - 75% That's a significant difference from the oft-presented 95-99%. Maybe that shoul…
/r/MensRights10/07/26 05:25 PM
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but its still based on a reality. A very selective reality, that ignores female perpetrators by not calling it rape when they do it.
/r/MensRights10/07/26 05:17 PM
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Those studies were more focused on female victims of penetratation, so rape in those context was defined by penetration, thats why you see damn near 100% male perpetrator Thank you for conceding that your stats aren't based in reality of who is forcing sex of whom, but on ideology to promote a hate narrative. granted some women and men do love using these stats to dismiss or create a narrative about the vast majority of men, but thats a discussion for another day. You literally did this.
/r/MensRights10/07/26 07:19 AM
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even if the majority of rapist will be male and that is telling. You don't know that for sure, that smacks of bigotry. Is there a particular race that you're just as certain they'll be too? You know the statistics are a product of gendered definitions, but you're assuming that this is valid because of statistics based on gendered definitions. Can you see the problem in this?
/r/MensRights10/07/26 07:03 AM
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"Also". You engaged in a tu quoque fallacy, "you also". It's OK to be wrong, the shameful behaviour is lying to pretend otherwise.
/r/MensRights10/07/26 06:04 AM
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and need to get out of this echo chamber Echo chambers exclude dissenting voices. Here, they're engaged with. That's not an echo chamber, and even disagreement with you doesn't make it one. The stat exists, it could be overestimated but its still so high you have to acknowledge them. Getting upset at the wrong group about these stats. Indeed, 99% is an underestimation! Since, in the UK among other places, rape can only be committed by a cisgender man, the number should be that 100% of rapists ar…
/r/MensRights09/07/26 09:07 PM
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Have you asked how those numbers were calculated? Or did you just shrug and accept without question?
/r/MensRights09/07/26 09:03 PM
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Studies that show that are working from a definition of rape that excludes female perpetrators. Can you see the problem with relying on those statistics to inform any kind of claim to truth?
/r/MensRights09/07/26 09:02 PM
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Real anti-feminism ...opposes feminism. So by advocating for, for instance, making rape laws gender neutral despite efforts of feminists like Mary Koss, that makes it antifeminist. Social Conservatism is antifeminist, but promotes the status quo of male disposability and a lack of accountability for women. That is not mens rights advocacy. While mens rights advocacy is necessarily antifeminist, being antifeminist does not necessarily equal advocating for mens' rights.
/r/MensRights09/07/26 03:05 PM
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Given the sheer amount of antifeminist data presented here, I think it would be hard to say that this subreddit is made up of feminist patsies. You want MensLib for that kind of thing.
/r/MensRights09/07/26 03:00 PM
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Do you think that men also dismiss male victims of domestic violence or just feminists? Thank you for conceding that feminists, despite claiming to be "just about equality" and claiming to advocate for victims of domestic violence, regularly dismiss male victims of domestic violence.
/r/MensRights09/07/26 02:24 PM
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Patriarchy conjecture holds as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it.
/r/MensRights01/07/26 06:40 AM
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Sure. I go into more detail here. The article linked was an example or a woman successfully suing a boy for child support that she forced sex upon, resulting in her pregnancy.
/r/MensRights30/06/26 09:37 AM
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I'm sorry you're so upset at the sheer amount of supporting evidence. Thank you for conceding that the point was succinct though.
/r/MensRights29/06/26 07:51 PM
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There are a few examples in these lists, along with institutional and systemic actions to perpetuate disparities in rights between the sexes. ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights29/06/26 07:34 PM
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Correct. Let me be more specific: You, a feminist defending feminism, have engaged in a pattern I have seen other feminists engage in, where you like to portray women as weak little victims, even going as far as to compare them to children. That's pretty misogynistic.
/r/MensRights29/06/26 07:31 PM
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anything If you can't articulate your views in a concise manner then what's the point in even engaging? "Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between the sexes." That's concise. And evidenced by a huge and not exhaustive list of examples. Just because you don't like the body of evidence doesn't make it invalid.
/r/MensRights29/06/26 07:29 PM
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1: you clearly haven't been paying attention in feminist spaces. 2: yes, I got that. You're still making up stuff - unless you can evidence that "MRA" lobbies to take funding away from women.
/r/MensRights29/06/26 05:47 PM
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Consider the copious amount of evidence. Holding to the idea that Egalitarianism, and men's rights advocacy specifically, is anything other than necessarily antifeminist in the face of overwhelming evidence is at best foolish and at worst willfully ignorant.
/r/MensRights29/06/26 05:45 PM
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I never used the 1 in 4 stat because it's wrong. Are we talking about you, or about feminists in general? This link is a deleted post put great win! Really? The comment isn't deleted. But I'll humour you, and copy-paste it here for you: Your second link literally says "Currently feminism doesn't benefit men". That, at least, is consistent with the evidence I sent you. The problem with feminism is that all forms of it take the following to be self-evident: Society is Male Dominated Male dominance…
/r/MensRights29/06/26 11:29 AM
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This movement was started by feminists. The mens rights movement? The thing that feminists "in general" oppose, smearing us as misogynists, neo-nazis, and an all-male collective of people who want women "back" into slavery? Good try. And it persists to say that men need more advocacy as well as women. Not stop support for women and reallocate the funding given toward women's causes to men's causes. Back on the "making shit up" bus again, I see.
/r/MensRights29/06/26 11:15 AM
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You don't have to copy and paste your arguments when I'm saying something you agree with. Feminist perspectives do not help men. And feminists actively entrench disparities between the genders. You, on the other hand, have shown in your other comment that you're perfectly happy making incorrect assumptions and pretending to have speed-read two comprehensive posts worth of links in ten minutes. Mens rights advocacy is necessarily antifeminist.
/r/MensRights29/06/26 10:03 AM
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It makes sweeping generalizations of all feminists from claims a while back. I don't trust every instance where a feminist says something as indicative of the entire group. Every time a feminist uses the "1 in 4" statistic, they are citing Mary Koss, whose work was integral to defining rape as something men do to women. Every time feminists hold the feminist duluth model, they are holding to a model that genders domestic violence as male-perpetrator/female-victim. Hell, all forms of feminism tha…
/r/MensRights29/06/26 10:01 AM
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I'm generally in favor of feminist perspectives. All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights29/06/26 09:50 AM
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ON AVERAGE, men face less serious problems than women Here are some legal rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came ab…
/r/MensRights29/06/26 09:49 AM
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Because this subreddit has somehow lost the plot and United itself against a ideology that largely wants to help them. Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights29/06/26 09:47 AM
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Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights29/06/26 09:46 AM
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Why do you seemingly believe that feminists should centre men’s issues? Obviously, they focus on issues impacting women When feminists tell us "feminism is just about equality of the sexes" and "feminism helps men too", it doesn't take long to work out that this is a lie.
/r/MensRights29/06/26 09:45 AM
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Here are some legal rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came about through statutory rape of the father. I go into gr…
/r/MensRights29/06/26 09:43 AM
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My partner keeps saying "reading is tech". This is a great example.
/r/MensRights28/06/26 07:27 AM
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Don’t just lie and act like you’re right Remember folks, feminists project.
/r/MensRights28/06/26 07:17 AM
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It's amazing how feminists will flip from "women are strong and powerful" to "men are all stronger than women and women are comparable to children" when it suits them. It's pretty misogynistic. Never mind the fact that most female perpetrated domestic violence does involve weapons, or proxies like police, nor that social and legal cultures support women who commit abuse like that.
/r/MensRights28/06/26 07:15 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights21/06/26 10:18 PM
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I'm sure you believe that, but you've already said "Men already have rights. You have more rights than women", in spite of evidence to the contrary. That's more in line with feminism than any kind of egalitarian equal rights movement.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 05:41 PM
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Were we talking about what is legal or what I think? We were talking about legal rights. What you think Should Be is irrelevant in a discussion of What Is.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 04:17 PM
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Good find. I'll be saving that!
/r/MensRights20/06/26 04:14 PM
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If you said you weren't a Christian, you just agree that Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins on the Cross, I'd still suggest that toure either lying or ignorant. If you have bought in to the ideology, that makes you a believer in the ideology, whether you say so or not.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 04:08 PM
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I never said men don't have human rights So which is it, do men have all the rights, or do men have rights issues that you've already conceded to? I was trying to say that it's a bigger issue that women don't have human rights See my previous comment. Men also have human rights issues, often in ways that feminists think women do, or that only women do. Pretending otherwise does nobody any favours except for the bigots. also have you even looked up about the situation in Pakistan? It's horrible. …
/r/MensRights20/06/26 04:07 PM
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I'm personally not a feminist "Men already have rights. You have more rights than women. We aren't allowed the rights to govern our own bodies. Transgender people don't have rights gay people are getting less and less rights. Men are basically the untouched demographic for basically the entire world. Your rights aren't taken away from you. You haven't been told that it's your fault if some man raped you. That if you weren't wearing what you were wearing you wouldn't have been asking for it." If …
/r/MensRights20/06/26 09:46 AM
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Thank you for claiming that I linked to a comment you already replied to after replying to it, after having it pointed out to you. I'm afraid being shown to be dishonest doesn’t help your credibility.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 07:44 AM
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"Men already have rights. You have more rights than women. We aren't allowed the rights to govern our own bodies. Transgender people don't have rights gay people are getting less and less rights. Men are basically the untouched demographic for basically the entire world. Your rights aren't taken away from you." I'm trying to say that everyone has issues and that there should be equal information on them. You told someone to get over their bigotry for talking about mens rights in a mens rights sp…
/r/MensRights20/06/26 07:42 AM
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Thank you for conceding that men do in fact have rights issues. Unfortunately, your opinion of what Should Be and a sack is worth the sack. But for one of we are going based on the world women in many countries in asia and africa have little to no rights It's hilarious when feminists unironically find themselves throwing brown people under the bus to try to support the narrative of their victimhood Over Here. Women in Pakistan can leave the house without a man, can't speak to anyone that isn't f…
/r/MensRights20/06/26 07:39 AM
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Great. Shame wider society, and the prominent feminists in media, academia, and law who are representing the movement disagree with you. Further, this contradicts your original point that men don't have issues.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 07:30 AM
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Here are some.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 07:28 AM
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Destroying positions like yours is a chore to me. That's why I copy paste my most used points.
/r/MensRights20/06/26 07:20 AM
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What rights do women lack and men have? For comparison, here are some rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came about …
/r/MensRights20/06/26 07:08 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights10/06/26 06:54 PM
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Almost all men who commit suicide have tried to seek help about it at least once.
/r/MensRights08/06/26 08:23 AM
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Which is at odds with the narrative that mens sexuality is celebrated while women's is demonised. In the bad old days, there was a particular slur used for white people who were deemed to be too friendly with black people or causes. Using the same logic as feminist theory behind shut shaming, this must have been because society demonises white friendships and privileges black friendships. Of course, those of us who have a basic grasp of reality know that this is a ridiculous suggestion. Men are …
/r/MensRights06/06/26 05:38 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). In short, mens rights advocacy will necessarily be antifeminist as long as feminists in media, academia, and law are anti male.
/r/MensRights06/06/26 05:33 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). In short, mens rights advocacy will necessarily be antifeminist as long as feminists in media, academia, and law are anti male.
/r/MensRights06/06/26 05:32 AM
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Remarks like that ignore the reality for men in favour of assuming women's victimhood and men's monstrosity. They mutilate the genitals of girls Over There? They do it to boys too, and that's still legal, just like Over Here. A man can force sex on his wife Over There and it's not rape unless XYZ? A woman Over There can force sex on anyone and it's not considered rape at all, just like Over Here. And so on. Where there are rights that men have and women lack, it is often to enable the obligation…
/r/MensRights05/06/26 10:41 PM
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That's a country, not a right.
/r/MensRights05/06/26 10:37 PM
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Remarks like that ignore the reality for men in favour of assuming women's victimhood and men's monstrosity. They mutilate the genitals of girls Over There? They do it to boys too, and that's still legal, just like Over Here. A man can force sex on his wife Over There and it's not rape unless XYZ? A woman Over There can force sex on anyone and it's not considered rape at all, just like Over Here. And so on.
/r/MensRights05/06/26 10:36 PM
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Thats not what I was doing at all? You're claiming that, in this predominantly brown country, men are happy to oppress the people with whom they have their closest emotional bonds. That's only not a statement on the morality of people in that part of the world if oppression of women isn't wrong. Is it wrong? Besides, the UN's CEDAW map disagrees with you, all of the "white" countries are ranked as far better for women according to feminist Doctrine. It's hideously racist, and you're endorsing th…
/r/MensRights04/06/26 10:49 PM
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It's weird how people will happily throw brown men under the bus as morally inferior to whites on order to justify the narrative that men oppress women, all the while knowing very little about the system they're using to do that and how it treats men in those same places.
/r/MensRights04/06/26 10:40 PM
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What rights do women lack and men have? For comparison, here are some rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came about …
/r/MensRights04/06/26 10:38 PM
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Thank you for proving OPs point.
/r/MensRights09/05/26 06:59 AM
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What has this got to do with mens rights advocacy?
/r/MensRights09/05/26 02:42 AM
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Consider men working themselves into an early grave to maintain "a lifestyle to which she is accustomed".
/r/MensRights08/05/26 11:00 PM
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Only if the husband or father letted them Great. If this was so prevalent, you should be able to cite examples. In any case, your position seems to be "women weren't allowed to work, except when they were". Do you see how that's less than coherent? Cleaning the house, taking care of the kids etc It's funny how feminists will flip-flop between "housework is real work" and "women weren't allowed to work, they were relegated to home duties". In any case, history refutes this. https://en.wikipedia.o…
/r/MensRights04/05/26 11:13 AM
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Pre 1800 women werent able to work and if they were only on the worse jobs and they recieved much much less money So which is it? Do you think women weren't allowed to work, or were they? In any case, women have always worked. Names like Brewster and Webster meant "female brewer/weaver" respectively. Besides, do you really think a farmer in the 1400s could afford to have an extra mouth to feed (that he was socially and legally responsible for the wellbeing of) that would sit around doing nothing…
/r/MensRights04/05/26 04:40 AM
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That's OK. If you're committed to your current level of understanding, far be it for me to sway you.
/r/MensRights01/05/26 06:36 PM
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If you can't be bothered clicking a link and reading the result, what would make me think going longform is going to be any more productive?
/r/MensRights01/05/26 06:27 PM
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If you can't be bothered reading the argument, don't claim to want a discussion.
/r/MensRights01/05/26 06:24 PM
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It links to where I go into detail, saving me typing out the whole thing repeatedly.
/r/MensRights01/05/26 06:20 PM
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Patriarchy conjecture holds as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights01/05/26 06:17 PM
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"Thank you for conceding that men, given the opportunity, would rather harm men than women. It rather disrupts the Oppression narrative, so thanks for that".
/r/MensRights01/05/26 06:15 PM
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Seeing your other comments, you are lying.
/r/MensRights27/04/26 07:25 AM
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I'll take that as a yes. People deserve to be able to separate sex from parenthood. Especially of the means of doing so are more effective than barrier protection.
/r/MensRights27/04/26 07:24 AM
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Why are you denigrating people having options to separate sex from parenthood?
/r/MensRights26/04/26 11:49 PM
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Would you use the same argument against abortion, "just don't have sex"?
/r/MensRights26/04/26 11:47 PM
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Correct. The definitions in law talking about penetratration, even going so far as to say its done "with his penis" in the UK sexual offences act, comes from second wave feminist Mary Koss and her methodologically flawed research. First and second wave feminism were still man-hating. It's not a new development.
/r/MensRights25/04/26 04:45 AM
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Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights25/04/26 04:41 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black men privileged, or are men as a larger group disadvantaged?
/r/MensRights25/04/26 04:39 AM
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Feminists first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship, where one class of citizen has citizenship rights (the vote) in exchange for citizenship responsibilities (civil and military conscription), and the other class got the rights gratis. In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963 when the draft was abolished; in the US, they still don't. Second wave feminism is where we get gems like the Duluth Model, and Mary Koss' work in defining rape as male-only.
/r/MensRights25/04/26 04:37 AM
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Addressed in this post
/r/MensRights19/04/26 09:58 PM
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I hope your reading comprehension gets better soon.
/r/MensRights17/04/26 04:57 PM
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So just because the leaders, movers and shakers of a movement are hateful, and their hate ideology is taken as gospel by the rest, that's no reason to claim that "all" hold to the hate ideology and support the hateful actions? "Sure, the nazis in authority orchestrated genocides, and their ideology was taken as true by the rest of the self-identifying nazis, but you can't possibly say that all nazis are bad!" - do you see the problem with that statement?
/r/MensRights17/04/26 07:52 AM
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Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). You can find examples of that and more in the lists.
/r/MensRights16/04/26 10:25 PM
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ALL feminists don’t claim that. Just the ones with any weight in media, academia, and law, justifying it with hateful Patriarchy conjecture that the majority of feminists also believe in.
/r/MensRights16/04/26 10:24 PM
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If a feminist cleaves to, for instance, the 1-in-4 statistic when talking about rape, they're citing the work of feminist researcher Mary Koss, whose work was integral to the gendering of rape laws. She deemed it "inappropriate " to call forced sex carried out by women on men "rape", describing non-consenting men as "ambivalent in their desires". It's not even victim blaming if you don't acknowledge the victim at all!
/r/MensRights16/04/26 10:21 PM
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Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). There are examples in those lists of feminist advocating against gender neutral rape laws, gendering domestic violence, and mocking male victims.
/r/MensRights16/04/26 10:18 PM
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Why are you even here? You clearly don't have anything to contribute.
/r/MensRights14/04/26 11:10 AM
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Great. How does that compare to what feminists have done that are anti draft for women? That's right, no draft for women, and radio silence from the majority on the men's draft. If feminists were as benevolent to mens' issues as feminists claim, they'd have a similar track record for mens issues as they do for womens issues. the fact that feminists fight tooth and claw to entrench disparities in rights between the genders seems to be ignored by the ideologues. Go figure.
/r/MensRights14/04/26 10:59 AM
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if you look at what gets pushed that harms men and that you do not call that out is a shame... Such as? do you really think that our top priority should be equal conscription/draft Whose top priority is it? Do you really think that a community can't talk about multiple issues simultaneously? Do you go onto, say, MGM posts and say "Why aren't you talking about rape laws?" or something? while we have voluntary forces or no draft/conscription period? In the US, Selective Service (registering for th…
/r/MensRights14/04/26 10:52 AM
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and actually help men instead of harming them. Can you explain why denigrating the community and claiming tha discussion is impossible helps men? no to conscription period! Agreed. Given that wider society only seems to really care about an issue if women are effected by it, broadening the draft makes some amount of sense to pave the way to total abolition. It's not how I'd prefer to do it, but it might get the job done. It's all academic anyway - women will never be drafted in the US, that was …
/r/MensRights14/04/26 10:02 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Why do you guys refuse help when its offered? What have feminists done to protest the draft for men? Because we know they've done it successfully for women, then stopped. Given the evidence I showed you already of feminists actively entrenching disparities in ri…
/r/MensRights14/04/26 09:59 AM
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Is oppression of women morally wrong? Under feminist patriarchy conjecture, society is male dominated, set up for mens benefit (even though it sometimes hurts some men), and oppresses women. That means that, if men didn't prefer women to be oppressed, the system wouldn't oppress women. Meaning that, according feminist ideology, men prefer to treat the people with whom they have their closest emotional bonds as subhuman, or at least sit back and be cool with others doing so. And they won't let up…
/r/MensRights14/04/26 07:23 AM
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i don’t understand how wanting to protect women implies the idea that the patriarchy doesn’t exis Can you give an example of literally any other system of privilege and oppression where the oppressed class was excempt from civil and military conscription? Can you explain why the "privileged" class being considered expendable like that is consistent with a model that views not-them as lesser value? patriarchy is defined as a social system in which men hold primary power - dominating in political …
/r/MensRights14/04/26 07:04 AM
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Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). Being pro draft is in character, especially as all the protests stopped as soon as the bill to include womennin selective service was dropped.
/r/MensRights14/04/26 06:59 AM
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Not going to address their point that the Democrats maintained male only selective service too, I see. But sure, double down on the Bulverism.
/r/MensRights14/04/26 06:57 AM
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Patriarchy conjecture, as feminists use it, holds as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. In any case, Thank you for confirming that men, given the power and the option, would rather hurt men than women. It does rather contradict Patriarchy conjecture, though.
/r/MensRights14/04/26 06:54 AM
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Confirming that men, given power and the option, would rather protect women than men. It rather blows a hole in Patriarchy conjecture, but whatever.
/r/MensRights14/04/26 06:51 AM
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It looks like your commentary seems to consist of denigrating the community only, and claiming that discussion is impossible. Why are you here?
/r/MensRights14/04/26 06:49 AM
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Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights13/04/26 04:23 PM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black men privileged, or are men as a larger group disadvantaged?
/r/MensRights13/04/26 04:22 PM
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Maybe because the feminist movement was made specifically for women by women??? You just said feminists opposed the mens issue of selective service. So which is it, is feminism for equality, or is it for women only? Things in this sub will change when this subs men care more about other men than they do about hating women Since it's so rife here, you should have no trouble citing examples of hatred here. Right?
/r/MensRights13/04/26 04:21 PM
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In the UK, the sexual offences act defines rape as something the perpetrator does "with his penis", thus making women immune to the charge of rape. Thanks feminist researcher Mary Koss!
/r/MensRights13/04/26 04:08 PM
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Patriarchy conjecture, as feminists use it, holds as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it.
/r/MensRights13/04/26 04:06 PM
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Cool story. U are statistically more likely to be raped by another man, Especially when we only call it rape when a man does it! TWICE, than falsely accused of rape by a woman The most robust statistic I ever saw on the matter was that 8% of accusations were provably false, and that was from a study in which participating police forces were trained to stop investigating if there seemed to be a chance of falseness - meaning that those 8% are cases where the evidence fell into investigator's laps.…
/r/MensRights13/04/26 12:18 PM
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That reads as pretty passive-aggressive. Who said anything about judging half the population based on a single bad actor?
/r/MensRights13/04/26 12:12 PM
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The fact that your examples of women's so-called oppression aren't true isn't relevant to a movement claiming to want to rectify women's oppression? It was never about equality. Thank you for confirming that. Edit: lol, blocked for pointing that out. Re your point about voting rights, in the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963, when mens civic rights (the vote) was no longer tied to civil and military conscription (the draft was abolished). In the US, they still don't have equal vo…
/r/MensRights12/04/26 07:15 AM
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In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963, when mens civic rights (the vote) was no longer tied to civil and military conscription (the draft was abolished). In the US, they still don't have equal voting rights.
/r/MensRights11/04/26 10:24 PM
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Most men couldn't get a mortgage either. It's a wealth thing. Legally beaten? A woman could strike her husband and he would be punished for it, just as happens today. Legally raped? Categorically untrue, as men have been convicted for raping their wives even a century ago. In any case, a woman could (and still can) force sex on a man and not have it considered rape at all. I know "what about the men" really annoys feminists, but if they actually measured mens situation for comparison, rather tha…
/r/MensRights11/04/26 10:22 PM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights11/04/26 10:18 PM
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Do these women not get that feminism is about equal rights, not just womens rights? Have you read the Declaration of Sentiments? It was never about equality rights!
/r/MensRights03/04/26 09:17 PM
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Someone hasn't heard of the White Feather campaign.
/r/MensRights03/04/26 09:14 PM
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I suspect OP is baiting, especially for screenshots to show how awful MRAs are.
/r/MensRights03/04/26 04:40 PM
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At one point it was about equality, but after that went through it just became a tool to use to get out of responsibility. Feminists first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship, where one class of citizen has citizenship rights (the vote) in exchange for citizenship responsibilities (civil and military conscription), and the other class got the rights gratis. In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963 when the draft was abolished; in the US, they still don't.
/r/MensRights02/04/26 09:44 PM
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But science says that is utterly untrue. Erections equal nothing. Correct. And every single time I hear anyone say this it is a man. I see that the user had her comment removed, likely for sexualising a minor. In any case, that was a woman saying that.
/r/MensRights30/03/26 07:55 PM
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Feminism is gender equality with a focus on women. All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). Meanwhile, Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater ge…
/r/MensRights30/03/26 06:47 PM
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Anyway, since the original version of feminism was already successful, that means that we will see much less of what people would call real feminists, leaving us with feminazism. All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights betw…
/r/MensRights30/03/26 06:46 PM
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what schools or flavours of feminism do you support and oppose? All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights30/03/26 06:45 PM
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Do You know masculinism exists Speak on that.
/r/MensRights30/03/26 06:43 PM
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Feminists have a long and storied history of entrenching disparities in rights between the genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights30/03/26 06:42 PM
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Masculinity refers to a birth category (man), while feminism is a political ideology, that one chooses. They are not the same at all.
/r/MensRights30/03/26 06:42 PM
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and you have never been a victim of either. Feminists have a long and storied history of entrenching disparities in rights between the genders ((1), (2)). Feminism got women the right to vote Feminists first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship, where one class of citizen has citizenship rights (the vote) in exchange for citizenship responsibilities (civil and military conscription), and the other class got the rights gratis. In the UK, men and women got equal voting right…
/r/MensRights30/03/26 06:41 PM
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This user said that a male child who was raped by a woman cooperated with his rapist to become a parent.. When confronted with that, she did a 180, but kept pushing the idea that men (and boys) can't be raped due to erections.
/r/MensRights30/03/26 06:39 PM
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My stance is "You need to back up your claim that Trump is an MRA". You have yet to do that. Especially as you seem to think that one is either an MRA or a feminist, and the idea that there are people who aren't advocates for rights for men nor a part of your hate group seems alien to you.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 07:13 PM
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Hardly any men kill anyone. And men make up 90%+ of murder victims. The only "privileged" group in history to be killed more often! Your cope is delightful.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 07:09 PM
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Men are victims of sexual violence and rape and men have very real issues. By women? Feminist researcher Mary Koss would disagree with you, and her definitions of rape are enshrined in law. I don’t believe men have it harder than woman, both have hardships in different ways Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black men privileged, or are men as a larger group disadvantaged?
/r/MensRights28/03/26 08:31 AM
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Companies prefer to cut costs, prioritising profit over people. Guess that means they hate women, and would never put men are risk for the sake of profit! Again, the conclusion does not follow from the premise.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 08:22 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black men privileged, or are men as a larger group disadvantaged?
/r/MensRights28/03/26 08:13 AM
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Really committing to that false dichotomy, huh? Keep on squawking.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 08:12 AM
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At least she's answered my question of "what makes a female dummy" by example.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 01:06 AM
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I'm British, you indoctrinated rubber-chicken of an ideologue. But sure, go on and explain how a man in the UK apparently voting for Trump is evidence that Donald Trump advocates for, for instance, reproductive rights for men, equal treatment under the law, an end to Selective Service, and protection from homelessness. Go on, squawk for us again.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 12:32 AM
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Maybe for spamming low-effort troll comments. Maybe. Do let me know if it comes, I suspect it won't be for a while.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 12:23 AM
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I’m sure the MRA to MAGA pipeline is just a coincidence. Right, because mens advocates never existed before 2016. Really showing off that feminist education again, not to mention your American-centric worldview. Still waiting on you backing up the claim.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 12:19 AM
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I’ll find myself being disagreed with in an echo chamber?? An echo chamber would have banned you long ago. Try "arguing" like you do on the feminist subreddits, and you'll see what an echo chamber does.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 12:14 AM
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Bonus points if she can name any such policies that have actually made it into law.
/r/MensRights28/03/26 12:01 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black men privileged, or are men as a larger group disadvantaged?
/r/MensRights28/03/26 12:01 AM
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Are you seriously trying to imply that Donald Trump advocates for, for instance, reproductive rights for men, equal treatment under the law, an end to Selective Service, and protection from homelessness? That's a pretty wild claim. I presume you have evidence to back it up? Or did you just engage in a false dichotomy, that everyone who isn't a feminist must be a mens rights advocate?
/r/MensRights27/03/26 11:59 PM
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"You don't have credible sources!" "You're spamming with sources!" Flip-flopping, and crying foul in the face of copious amounts of evidence of feminist bad-action, including scientific research and video evidence. Truly a credit to your faith, shine on!
/r/MensRights27/03/26 11:50 PM
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Society is male dominated. So dominated that I’m more likely to die in a car crash than you, even if it’s the same severity And that male dominance has lead to actual legal rights that women have and men lack. Hell, gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. What other oppressed group in history had more actual legal rights than their oppressors? (debatable if it’s even a female dummy, given it was just a male dummy sca…
/r/MensRights27/03/26 11:41 PM
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You know people can click on the links and see that you're lying, right? Trust a feminist to say that video evidence of violence doesn't count when they do it.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 11:28 PM
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Try again. Because what that user is doing is pointing out that you are engaging in the kinds of behaviour that you would censure immediately in a feminist forum. You seem to think this is that user's hypocrisy, rather than your own. Do enlighten us, what is this assessment missing?
/r/MensRights27/03/26 11:06 PM
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What hypocrisy? Speak on that.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 10:54 PM
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Feminists first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship, where one class of citizen has citizenship rights (the vote) in exchange for citizenship responsibilities (civil and military conscription), and the other class got the rights gratis. In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963 when the draft was abolished; I'm the US, they still don't. It was always a hate movement.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 10:53 PM
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If someone goes to a womens rights advocacy space and tries to make the conversation about men, you'd call that derailing.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 10:52 PM
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Except that feminist generalisations are based on conjecture, poor research methodology, bald faced lies, and violence if someone questions them. ((1), (2)) And again, you're conflating feminism (a political ideology) with women (a birth category) to make criticising feminists for the things the feminists-who-aren't-like-that should be criticising them for the equivalent to hatred of a birth category.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 10:51 PM
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I think it's fair to say that there is no number of victims that would be enough for you to have empathy for men's issues. Why are you here?
/r/MensRights27/03/26 10:40 PM
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Great, now we're getting somewhere. What evidence do you have of MRA's "spread[ing] hate about women"? If you can find any, has this hate informed policy in academia, media, and the law, like the ones in the examples I linked to? Now, feminism is a hate movement because it's core principles are hateful. Specifically, the following is taken to be self-evident: Society is Male Dominated Male dominance privileges men over women While some men can sometimes be harmed by this system, the system itsel…
/r/MensRights27/03/26 10:39 PM
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Or are you just moving the goal post because you were disproven? You found a mens' hospital and think that means there isn't a disparity in healthcare between the genders? I notice you didn't address the point, just like you haven't addressed the points in my other comments to you - I suspect this is because you don't have a good answer, and/or the evidence contradicts your ideology. Far be it for me to dent that ironclad commitment to your faith.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 10:26 PM
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Who said I don’t take it seriously? You've still to answer. I answered based on logistics, not emotion. You've still to answer. And I’m asking for facts, not emotions or morals. Commendable. Now, answer the question. You’re not providing them because you don’t have them. While normally I'd object to mind-reading, I don't have a source for frequency. Just as well I didn't make any claims to that effect. Now, once again, how many victims are too many? How many does it take for you to take an issue…
/r/MensRights27/03/26 10:24 PM
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You didn't ask me. Why are you so resistant to answer the question of how many men have to be victims before you take this issue seriously? I wonder if there even is a number that would spark your empathy.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 09:43 PM
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Fantastic. Now, have a look at the funding for male-associated cancer research (like prostate), and compare it to the funding for female-associated cancer research, like cervical or breast cancer. "But didn't you just say-" I just said female-associated, so don't go pulling that.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 09:41 PM
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You didn't answer the question. How many victims is enough to take an issue seriously?
/r/MensRights27/03/26 09:33 PM
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The Equity argument (that, as you've outlined, it's OK to entrench disparities in rights if one group feels like the other "deserves" it based on alleged crimes that any given person of the "deserving" group likely didn't commit) relies on the notion that women lack rights that men have. I presume you have a few you'd like to talk about. In the meantime, here are some rights men lack that women have: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Do…
/r/MensRights27/03/26 09:33 PM
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Here's one for starters. Now, you're going to claim that this isn't valid, because it also does obs/gyn stuff, but that would be claiming that breast cancer doesn't impact men. Your turn: where are the mens' hospitals, or government committees for mens' health?
/r/MensRights27/03/26 09:28 PM
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How often is this issue happening? Do you have any stats or numbers? How many jurisdictions allow this? Dont many have different stipulations? How many victims is enough for you to consider the issue worthwhile?
/r/MensRights27/03/26 09:25 PM
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IMO, men’s rights activists aren’t as concerned with speaking about men’s issues as they are with wanting women’s issues silenced. If all the discussion of mens rights issues on the subreddit isn't speaking about mens' issues, I don't know what it is. Do you have any actual sources, or is it simply an opinion that you'll stay 100% committed to regardless of evidence?
/r/MensRights27/03/26 09:22 PM
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Now do cancers, chronic illnesses, and mental illnesses.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 09:21 PM
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Do you realise that the inverse of "man" is not "feminist"? Let me put it more bluntly: a political affiliation is not a birth category. Spreading hate about a gender is not acceptable; observing on the way in which feminists entrench, expand, and enshrine rights disparities between the sexes in law ((1), (2)) is.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 09:20 PM
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a random woman just said that I'm a pick me and a "soon-to-be perpetrator" It continues to astound me that people think it's OK to assign such awful labels to kids.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 08:19 PM
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Congrats. Relevance?
/r/MensRights27/03/26 07:44 AM
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Actually it was the same Australian woman who falsely accused every single one of those men! A detail that is irrelevant to the rate at which accusations are false. Most rapes are carried out by serial offenders, too (though try convincing feminists not to assign responsibility to the vast majority if men who aren't cuilent). Anyway... the pasta that Im making for my husband is burning, I bet you're wondering how pasta can burn. Im not going to tell you. Are you OK? Looks like you're crashing ou…
/r/MensRights27/03/26 07:44 AM
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Feminists first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship, where one class of citizen has citizenship rights (the vote) in exchange for citizenship responsibilities (civil and military conscription), and the other class got the rights gratis. In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963 when the draft was abolished; I'm the US, they still don't.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 07:40 AM
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I'm in the UK. Here are some rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came about through statutory rape of the father. I g…
/r/MensRights27/03/26 07:34 AM
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That is part of the comment you're pretending you can't see. There are lines separating the text from the post you're claiming isnt there from the rest of the comment. Do try again. It's interesting that you don't address any other points. J suppose you are steadfastly committed to your current level of understanding.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 07:31 AM
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And yet 1 in 6 Australian men have been falsely accused Your source uses extremely limited criteria for categorising an allegation as false, which lends to downplaying the true rate with false negatives.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 12:10 AM
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Your link to a deleted reddit post is not the argument you think it is. Interesting. The linked comments (with the arguments and sources I'm using) show up just fine. You wouldn't happen to be outright lying in the hope that nobody checks, would you? In case its just incompetence, here's the text: Your second link literally says "Currently feminism doesn't benefit men". That, at least, is consistent with the evidence I sent you. The problem with feminism is that all forms of it take the followin…
/r/MensRights26/03/26 11:57 PM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights26/03/26 11:33 PM
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They're not all that extreme. All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. With that lens, defining domestic violence as something men do to women makes some amount of sense; likewise, feminist researchers like Mary Koss deciding that it's "not appropriate" to call forced sex on men by women rape makes sense in this context. Most grassroots feminists will repeat the talking points of these "extremists"…
/r/MensRights22/03/26 06:10 PM
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Where I am, the UK, the sexual offences act defines rape as something a person does "with his penis", thus making women immune from a charge of rape. When petitioned to gender neutralise the definition, the government's response was no, on the basis that "most rapists are men". Given that the definition excludes women, I'm amazed it's as few as "most".
/r/MensRights19/03/26 10:09 PM
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Yes I see Americans, Israelis killing innocents at this very moment. TIL the middle east is Western Culture. This is what westerners have always done. No eastern nation ever had imperial designs, really? Then don't cry about patriarchy it was invented by the white men you love You have yet to prove it was in the first place. So far all we have is your word for it, for all it's worth given the number of baseless and blatantly false statements you've made.
/r/MensRights17/03/26 04:03 PM
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Well all the early scholars were European men. Who are you talking about? And when they invented the term Early scholars, who are all men, invented the term Patriarchy as feminists use it today? they used it to write books on how much better patriarchy is compared to matriarchy. Such as? Can you name a single one? Because the European way of thinking is if you are not waging wars, controlling people, taking away their land, what are you even doing Gonna need yet more citations for that one. The …
/r/MensRights17/03/26 04:01 PM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights16/03/26 10:37 PM
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I was downvoted for telling people to get out of the echo chamber An echo chamber would ban anyone from voicing a dissenting opinion, thus preserving the "purity" of the space. You're claiming that you keep doing that, so clearly this isn't an echo chamber. and do something that actually has an impact on society. Again, you seem to be placing talking and doing as mutually exclusive things. How do you propose organising to "do something that actually has an impact on society" without talking abou…
/r/MensRights16/03/26 04:14 PM
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I see. So you were downvoted for telling people to stop talking about mens rights advocacy, as if talking about things and doing them are mutually exclusive. Have you considered that the problem isn't with the community in this case?
/r/MensRights16/03/26 12:46 PM
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The only people who use the term "manosphere" unironically tend to be people trying to lump advocates for rights in with hateful grifters. I haven't spotted anyone supporting "the behaviour of some of the “influencers” that are spotlighted on the show", but I have seen plenty of people talking about how dishonest it is to portray mens rights advocacy as embodied by Tate.
/r/MensRights16/03/26 09:15 AM
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Such as?
/r/MensRights16/03/26 09:09 AM
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I’ve experienced reverse discrimination Another meaningless euphemism, implying that discrimination has a "correct" direction, which can be "reversed" into an inappropriate one. All discrimination is in the same direction - the wrong one. The issue with "Woke" is the same one as "Social Justice", in that it's ambiguous. Who doesn't want to be awake? Who doesn't want justice? If a thing is sexist, I call it sexist; if a thing is racist, I call it racist. None of this "reverse racism" silliness, i…
/r/MensRights14/03/26 10:25 AM
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Feminism is looking to have fairness to both sexes, not just females. Here's a few examples of feminists' track record on fighting for equality.
/r/MensRights10/03/26 02:48 PM
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Yet weirdly I see many people defending these types in the comments which is extremely confusing. Who? edit: lol, radio silence. Just as I thought.
/r/MensRights10/03/26 02:46 PM
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When you trivialize rape, you are generally a bad fucking person. That's not what's happening, unless your looking at it from a perspective that sees abuse of men as trivial. Thank you for clarifying that you trivialise abuse, and are, by your own reasoning, generally a bad person.
/r/MensRights10/03/26 08:34 AM
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It's not that masculinity is bad clearly, it's the type of "masculinity" these creators pursue which is the issue. If you could remove the toxicity from masculinity, what is left that isn't a gender neutral trait? Assuming you can find any, what mainstream influences promote recogjition and empowerment of this non-toxic masculinity?
/r/MensRights09/03/26 11:58 PM
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I think these questions are too complicated for them. Narrative-challenging observations tend to be for these people.
/r/MensRights09/03/26 06:03 PM
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Given the origins of the phrase, it's about as hateful as "the final solution".
/r/MensRights08/03/26 05:52 AM
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Speak on that. How is wanting to have the same separate sex from parenthood that women have indicatove of being an awful person? Are you perhaps suggesting that women are awful people for wanting to keep their reproductive rights? If your issue is just with the term, what would you prefer it be called?
/r/MensRights08/03/26 05:47 AM
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Claimed, not proven.
/r/MensRights07/03/26 09:21 PM
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Well all you have to do is look around this subreddit. So it wasn't the reason you thought nobody will ever take the MRM seriously. The term is widely used. As is “paper abortion” So's Misogyny. Is wide usage evidence that it's false somehow? which is just simply wanting the ability to abandon your child and be a dead beat dad. Have you considered that it's a way by which men can have the same reproductive rights as women, specifically the right to separate sex from parenthood? The entire moveme…
/r/MensRights07/03/26 08:12 PM
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If they're meaning what I think they're meaning, you're referring to administrative abuse (using administrative systems as a tool to harass and abuse others, such as divorce courts and child protective services). Is it so false an equivalency when an abuser's weapon of choice is the state? Further, is one reddit user's use of the term a valid reason that "no one will ever take the MRM seriously"? "Nah, dawg, never mind the actual legal rights disparities, never mind the suicide, some rando on th…
/r/MensRights07/03/26 08:03 PM
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Neat! So when men commit suicide due to false rape allegations, we can see false accusers prosecuted for manslaughter, right? Right?
/r/MensRights07/03/26 07:58 PM
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Speak on that, what exactly is the reason you're citing?
/r/MensRights07/03/26 07:58 PM
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True feminism is fighting for women to be treated like human and to end sexism. Unfortunately, that's not the whole picture. It's what you just said, predicated, for the vast majority, on the belief that women are oppressed and men are an oppressor class ("Patriarchy"). All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discr…
/r/MensRights10/02/26 05:23 PM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). In short, mens rights advocacy will necessarily be antifeminist as long as feminists in media, academia, and law are anti male.
/r/MensRights10/02/26 04:08 AM
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While it once advocated for liberation "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims.
/r/MensRights05/02/26 10:36 PM
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But do talk about your feelings, gentlemen.
/r/MensRights04/02/26 11:08 PM
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So, I agree with you and you're going to argue with me? You make incoherent points, and I'll point out that they're incoherent. Are your end questions, rhetorical? If you have an answer for them, I'm all ears. Because it seems to be the case that you believe talking about mens issues is whining, but we should absolutely talk about them, but whining is bad and unmasculine, and we shouldn't do it. These positions cannot exist in the same person at the same time. So which is it?
/r/MensRights24/01/26 06:58 PM
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See, again, you're hurt from my context of how I phrase things. You're claiming to mind-read. I'm asking you, given that you seem to equate talking about mens issues with "complaining" and a failure of masculinity, how one talks about mens issues in a way that you would deem acceptable. I'm not complaining "all soft and victims of everything". Seems like you take a dim view of men talking about their issues! I'm trying to stress that instead of only talking about it, do something about it. Which…
/r/MensRights24/01/26 06:55 PM
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So men should talk about their issues, but they shouldn't be victims. How does that what work, if talking about these things means they've internalised a victimised mindset? It's just "MRAs are whiners and losers" with extra mental gymnastics.
/r/MensRights24/01/26 09:22 AM
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Why do you believe that this sub exists, if not to point out injustices to men, "Are we doing anything for mens' rights or just posting to complain about things?" Which is it? Is talking about mens issues good, or simply the whining of a victim mentality?
/r/MensRights23/01/26 10:56 PM
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It's unfortunate that not only is a constructive discussion on its way out, but men can't even see it to support other men I don't think that word means what you think it means. Someone complaining about men "complaining" when people talk about mens issues is not supporting men. How about instead of addressing the way that a comment is made, address the comment itself? OK. Since talking about mens' issues is "complaining", how do you propose advocacy and activism against systemic injustice witho…
/r/MensRights23/01/26 08:01 PM
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How do you propose advocacy and activism against systemic injustice without talking about it, thus offending your delicate sensibilities on what it means to be "masculine"? Surely you can answer that question! Nobody else in your position has been able to.
/r/MensRights23/01/26 07:58 PM
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I'm trying to show men what is (or is not) going on here You're complaining that people are talking about mens' issues, citing "the good old days" as somehow better without explaining what you mean. You're interpreting anything other than unconditional agreement as insulting you, and ironically hurting your feelings.
/r/MensRights23/01/26 07:57 PM
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or should I say, as they used to be. Beasts of burden, disposable protectors and providers, cannon-fodder? Care to elaborate? However, this is what I'm saying, that if I try to point out the downfall of what is constantly happening Your thesis seems to be "men are talking about their issues, and this needs to stop". and you as a man (I think) insult me, then what are we doing here? And you call us victims.
/r/MensRights23/01/26 07:56 PM
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I'm not going to apologize for being blunt Nobody asked you too. Defensive much? There were days where men didn't have to filter their views to other men. Nobody asking you to filter. I'm asking you a question, that you have refused to answer despite taking the time to reply. It does bother me to no end how I try to have a constructive discussion "Are we doing anything for mens' rights or just posting to complain about things? I've seen a lot of men lately that seem to be defending women, more t…
/r/MensRights23/01/26 07:54 PM
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How do you propose advocacy and activism against systemic injustice without talking about it, thus offending your delicate sensibilities on what it means to be "masculine"? Edit: It's funny how nobody who posts here to complain (or perhaps...to whine?) about "victim mindsets" and "whining" can't answer this question.
/r/MensRights23/01/26 06:40 AM
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How do you propose advocacy and activism against systemic injustice without talking about it, thus offending your delicate sensibilities on what it means to be "masculine"? Edit: It's funny how nobody who posts here to complain (or perhaps...to whine?) about "victim mindsets" and "whining" can't answer this question.
/r/MensRights23/01/26 06:36 AM
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In the UK, the rhetoric has been to "increase successful convictions" - what's an "unsuccessful conviction", if not an acquittal? The only way this makes sense is if one is presumed guilty without possibility of innocence.
/r/MensRights20/01/26 11:58 AM
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Yes. And if it was the case, it wouldn't be a tiny minority committing the violence.
/r/MensRights19/01/26 10:57 PM
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Most men aren't criminal and/or violent. Just like most women. That's not a bad position, it's refusing the frame of "masculinity is violent"
/r/MensRights19/01/26 08:07 PM
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How do you propose advocacy and activism against systemic injustice without talking about it, thus offending your delicate sensibilities on what it means to be "masculine"?
/r/MensRights17/01/26 10:47 AM
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"[Whatever systemic injustice] isn't fair!" My advice is be strong enough to change it or tough enough to withstand it How do you propose advocacy and activism against systemic injustice without talking about it, thus offending your delicate sensibilities on what it means to be "masculine"?
/r/MensRights16/01/26 05:51 PM
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I did my masters project on male-friendly counselling, drawing primarily from Tom Golden's "The Way Men Heal". The bullet-point list in the Summary section reads: Men and women show distinct preferences in therapy, yet underrepresentation of men may skew counselling theory and practice towards a feminine bias. Men face real social, economic, and legal issues, with relatively little in the way of resources to help them. Listen, empathise, and be aware of your presuppositions when working with mal…
/r/MensRights16/01/26 01:06 PM
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What are you doing here in men's rights What are you doing here if discussion of mens issues is so upsetting to you?
/r/MensRights12/01/26 06:50 PM
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More insightful than your commentary.
/r/MensRights12/01/26 06:49 PM
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there are actual topics to talk about concerning men's rights (which i support) Such as? Again, how do you propose we discuss these things without discussing them? How can we talk about the rights disparities without acknowledging that there's a disparity (thus being an unmanly victim to your fragile worldview)?
/r/MensRights12/01/26 06:48 PM
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You haven't answered the question. What would be a way to advocate for rights for men without talking about the issues and thus upsetting your delicate sense of masculinity?
/r/MensRights12/01/26 06:46 PM
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okay how about this. this whole post is a what aboutism. I don't think you know what that means. it's completely made up and in a fantasized negative space. OP is exploring theory. a majority of the posts on this subreddit are people claiming a fantasized victimhood You mean disparities in rights with a verifiable paper trail? and it's the most unmanly thing I could possibly ever think of. How do you propose advocacy for rights for men happens in such a way that doesn't involve talking about it …
/r/MensRights12/01/26 04:39 PM
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Do you have literally anything to contribute?
/r/MensRights12/01/26 01:41 PM
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I'm not a feminist though Then why are you bristling at criticism of people using feminist ideology to entrench disparities in rights between the genders? And I'm not against criticism, Your previous commentary seems at odds with this. I'm against generalization and mischaracterization. I provided evidence of the positive claim, that feminists are like that. Even the ones who "aren't like that" still subscribe to a hate ideology as long as they believe in Patriarchy. You've still to contribute a…
/r/MensRights10/01/26 08:25 PM
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Doubling down it is. You mean the feminists who represent the ideology at the policy level in media, academia, and law? Most feminists are normal people that mean no harm. Great. Then there should be no issue with me criticising the people you should be criticising. They don't represent you? Tell them, not us! Defensive much? Coming from someone whose only reaction to evidence is insult. You haven't a leg to stand on and you know it.
/r/MensRights10/01/26 11:11 AM
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Wow, what an insightful, nuanced view that is completely connected with observable reality.
/r/MensRights10/01/26 07:07 AM
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Do you have anything to contribute or are you going to double down on calling people criticising IRL law and policy "chronically online extremists"? I suspect you go to the insult because there's nothing you can say to the overwhelming amount of evidence. It's a poor attempt to distract from the issues at hand.
/r/MensRights10/01/26 06:59 AM
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In fairness women weren't permitted to own property, control finances Wrong. There are plenty of historical records showing women owning property. The myth comes from a misconception of coverture law, where a married woman ("femme covert") was entitled to the financial upkeep of her husband, and the husband had the right to use her property (note, her property) to that end - for instance. This changed with the Married Womens Property Act, which allowed femme-covert women the same freedoms as fem…
/r/MensRights09/01/26 11:51 PM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims.
/r/MensRights09/01/26 06:53 PM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights09/01/26 06:52 PM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights09/01/26 06:49 PM
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Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights09/01/26 08:23 AM
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Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights09/01/26 08:23 AM
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Do you have the honesty to own your unwarranted victim complexes? Can you evidence your claim? "Victim complex" is a pretty serious claim, and you seem to be using it to downplay a person's experience of victim-blaming for their attempted murder. My opinion is "you shouldn't always take the worst possible interpretation of any happenstance, especially in an area so fraught with misunderstanding as human language"- how brutally controversial. I would assume this would have been clarified if that …
/r/MensRights07/01/26 04:26 PM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 03:04 AM
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The devil has enough advocates. Own your opinion. That's a niche interpretation and you know it.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 02:53 AM
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I've always been cut, but at no point did I feel down or low and somehow inferior to anyone You don't have experience of a before and after comparison, so it's not a legitimate point?
/r/MensRights02/01/26 06:07 AM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims.
/r/MensRights31/12/25 04:08 AM
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In practice it's "believe women if it hurts a man". Nobody in power believes a woman who, for instance, claims that an accused man doesn't act like the accusations imply behind closed doors. Interestingly, in the UK at least, investigation of rape and sexual assault includes interviewing past relationships to look for an ongoing pattern of bad behaviour. But an ongoing pattern of good behaviour is inadmissible as evidence.
/r/MensRights28/12/25 05:54 AM
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Yeah, if you look at statistics of murdered women, you'll find that 100% of the victims are women! Interestingly, prior to the creation of the first domestic violence shelters, spousal murder was gender non-directional. When women had a place to go to escape domestic violence, they stopped killing their husbands as much. So even if one only cares about female victims, it is still in your interests to support mens rights advocacy for recognition and resources for kale victims of domestic violence…
/r/MensRights24/12/25 09:08 AM
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Now compare it to statistics for murdered men.
/r/MensRights24/12/25 08:44 AM
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And it is most always perpetrated by men. Thank you for conceding that violent men would rather hurt men than women. It rather puts a hole in the whole Patriarchy thing, but hey. However, sexual violence occurs at a rate much higher for women. Reportedly. Part of that is thanks to feminists like Mary Koss, whose work was instrumental in defining rape as something only a man can do. In the UK, it explicitly says in the Sexual Offences Act that rapebis something a person does "with his penis". Not…
/r/MensRights22/12/25 11:55 PM
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I doubt that happens to you. I'd wager it's extremely unlikely in general too.
/r/MensRights22/12/25 11:41 PM
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It implies that there is an appropriate direction for a double standard (in this case, men as privileged and women as victims). It's why I never use terms like "reverse sexism", because all sexism is in the same direction - the wrong one.
/r/MensRights21/12/25 12:52 PM
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If you think this is peak, check out the successes of feminists in media, academia, and law!
/r/MensRights19/12/25 05:17 AM
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Lol. You're asking for evidence, like you don't utterly refuse to evidence your claims? You're hilarious. Why are you here? It's clearly not to engage in good faith.
/r/MensRights19/12/25 05:15 AM
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Going to need to see some evidence of that. I get it though, it's really hard for some people to let go of the idea that torturing citizens who may or may not be guilty is fun and right, that some people "deserve" torture. It could never happen to you, right? False accusations never happen, right?
/r/MensRights19/12/25 05:09 AM
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And yet, despite taking the time to respond, you choose not to answer with any evidence. That says a lot about you.
/r/MensRights19/12/25 05:06 AM
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The person you responded to was referencing the sex offender's registry, suggesting an equivalency. Why are you arguing with the person you were responding to as if they were OP and made the same point? It looks like you're just here to contradict, diminish, minimise, and otherwise derail conversations from discussion of mens rights advocacy and methods to rectify disparities.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 10:33 PM
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The sex offender registry is for people convicted of crimes by the state, and in the US by a jury of their peers. Yes. And a false accuser's registry would be for people convicted of the crime by the state, by a jury of their peers. This would, of course, require that the state actually prosecute abusers who use the legal and carceral systems as their tools of abuse. But it's a neat idea. I’m against BOTH. So this wasn't an attempt to minimise and dismiss the person you were replying to by intim…
/r/MensRights18/12/25 10:23 PM
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So having a registry of female abusers like the one for male abusers is terrible and a threat to innocent people, but also it's fine because you can look up registered sex offenders regardless of gender? You've flipped back and forth on your opinion on this. Are you OK?
/r/MensRights18/12/25 10:02 PM
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Yeah. It's funny how the evil MRAs have a greater sense of empathy than their detractors, in that we can care about things that happen to people other than ourselves.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:57 PM
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I'll repeat: Was this regular users, or saboteurs looking to have it taken down? Do you have literally any evidence? <Edit> Radio silence, just what I expected </edit> I notice you keep failing to provide any evidence or answer any awkward questions. Would you rather you were simply believed as an Authority on whatever you talk about without having to show your work?
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:57 PM
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You said they should ban remanding people awaiting trial outright. Full stop. Have you heard of things like "house arrest"? That keeps people in one place without putting them in torture cages! That way we don't have to torture people who are legally innocent (and maybe even factually so as well)! Isn't that wonderful? I see you're avoiding the questions, which is often the tactic of people without good answers who can't admit it. You claim you're here for mens rights issues discussion, but your…
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:55 PM
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Oh absolutely. I still like to call out bullshit when I see it though.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:52 PM
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Says the guy following my account around. It's funny, whenever I've held people to account for what they've said (such as defending the torture of innocent people on the basis of a hypothetical you invented ), they've immediately tried to play victim by crying Stalker. It was called the Teaborn app. It was banned because it was sharing photos of revenge porn and minors. OK. Was this regular users, or saboteurs looking to have it taken down? Do you have literally any evidence?
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:45 PM
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But you undermined your own cause by saying no one should be detained pre trial which anyone with a brain understands why that’s fucking stupid. I said, if you read the post, that people on remand are legally innocent. Not detaining people who have not been proven of a crime, especially non-violent crimes, would reduce the strain and torture conditions. You are opposed to that, and thus you are pro torture. Your justification was (without evidence) a hypothetical you invented, justifying people …
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:42 PM
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Again, no sources. This thing doesn't exist because it does and is used for evil, but it doesn't exist. Are you OK?
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:39 PM
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Congrats. You posted out thread from earlier. Shine on, shine on! Well done! Nothing about what I said earlier say I don’t care about innocent men or women. You support torture of innocent people (and non-innocent people) because of hypothetical criminals. This is exactly the own I think it is. Why are you here, anyway? It looks like you just use your account to mock, insult, and present weaksauce anti-MRM arguments while setting yourself up as a moral superior.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:35 PM
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This will hurt innocent people. You don't care about hurting innocent people. Or perhaps you only care about innocent women only. How virtuous.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:30 PM
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Some get shot, some get wounded then arrested, and some put down their guns and let themselves be arrested. And you've yet to provide numbers for that, compared to people held on remand for drug offences. Or false accusations of whatever. Bear in mind, this was all said in the context of prisons being in violation of torture laws due to overcrowding. Not keeping innocent people in cages is a pretty good start to reducing torture conditions. Sentencing men like we sentence women would be another …
/r/MensRights18/12/25 06:48 PM
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Really. People arrested while shooting up a building, and not simply shot? Going to need some numbers on that, since you still haven't answered the question. Playing to stereotypes doesn't count as evidence. I notice you failed to answer the question about your support for torture of citizens regardless of guilt.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 06:38 PM
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How often does that happen? Compared to, say, drug offences? Further, why do you support torture of citizens, regardless of their guilt?
/r/MensRights18/12/25 06:34 PM
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Where I'm from, prisons are literally in violation of anti-torture laws due to overcrowding. Two clear and easy ways they could allieviate the overcrowding are: 1) Do not imprison people awaiting trial. "On Remand" prisoners are awaiting trial, and therefore have not been proven guilty yet, and as such are legally innocent. Yes, this does mean that the prison system is torturing legally innocent citizens. 2) Sentence men the way we sentence women. Given the prison sentencing discount, if we sent…
/r/MensRights18/12/25 12:54 PM
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In Scotland, there are about 300 female prisoners to about 7100 male prisoners. We basically already practice prison abolition, but only for women.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 12:22 PM
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Voting for feminists, voting to "own the feminists", it's Alien vs Predator. Whoever wins, men lose. I'll let you decide which is which.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:30 AM
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The comment section seems to disagree with you.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:28 AM
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It is acknowledging the fact that statistically speaking, the men of today commit a disproportionately higher percentage of rape. Most countries define rape as requiring penetrative sex organs. The UKs sexual offences act defines it as something someone does "with his penis". So no, men don't commit "a disproportionately higher percentage of rape", they commit 100% of rapes because when women force sex on people we don't call it rape. Can you see why that is relevant to mens rights advocacy? Doe…
/r/MensRights18/12/25 09:23 AM
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You don't see how a one sided scrutiny for hatred isn't discrimination? The issue seems to be only combating misogyny. It's once again the portrayal of boys (I.e., male children) as dangerous to adult women.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 03:01 AM
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Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion.
/r/MensRights18/12/25 02:17 AM
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What a stunning and insightful contribution!
/r/MensRights17/12/25 10:37 PM
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Why the hate?
/r/MensRights16/12/25 05:52 AM
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The idea that companies will pay 33% more in wages to surround the bosses with dick is core to the wage gap myth - it's arguing that capitalism is not ruthlessly profit focused! Why wouldn't women dominate the workforce if employers could get away with a 33% spending reduction by not hiring men?
/r/MensRights16/12/25 05:49 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). Misandry is core to the feminist movement
/r/MensRights16/12/25 05:42 AM
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OK? So why post on a rights advocacy subreddit about it?
/r/MensRights15/12/25 11:03 PM
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I think you're in the wrong subreddit.
/r/MensRights15/12/25 09:13 PM
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you twisting things for the sake of arguing You mean "Quoting points to address them individually". without the skills to understand what I’m saying You know people can read the comments and see that this isn't true, right? I’m to the point I’m not even reading what you respond Yes, that's how you have a discussion and learn things, by ignoring the other person and refusing to engage with their points. where it clearly displays that you like to be angry and not listen Wow, a mind reader too! Ple…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 05:33 PM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). Misandry is core to the feminist movement. Anybody that brings up "real feminism" or "real feminists" is more often than not engaging in a No True Scotsman…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 05:14 PM
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False equivalent Right. One group categorised whole groups of people as second class citizens with the goal of murder, the other engages in protests to prevent discussion of mens' suicide, successfully lobby to define rape as male-only, prevent male victims of domestic violence from getting resources, and successfully lobby against recognition of fathers as equal value parents. Obviously, the nazis as a whole were evil, in my opinion Even the ones with "good intentions"? Also, yes, there were so…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 05:13 PM
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I explained the difference. No, you denied that Patriarchy has anything to do with feminism on the basis that it's just "to grant autonomy to women for the sake of their own independence if they prefer that life". That fails to recognise the central role that Patriarchy conjecture holds in feminist philosophy, with its necessary casting of men as monsters. In case you need the reminder: Patriarchy conjecture takes the following to be self-evident: Society is Male Dominated Male dominance privile…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 05:05 PM
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To answer your question, no, a person is not good if they subscribe to an evil ideology. So people who ascribe to an evil ideology are not-good. Isn't that an attack on the person, not the ideology? I'm being flippant. All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists acti…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 02:19 PM
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Did some nazis participate in the holocaust out of good intentions for a better Germany? Surely that means that nazis aren't evil, because some had good intentions, right? Something something "the path to hell" something.
/r/MensRights15/12/25 02:17 PM
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Have some real-world feminist actions ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights15/12/25 02:12 PM
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What irony?
/r/MensRights15/12/25 02:11 PM
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Yes, because taking opportunities away from people based on their s*x is wrong. Even if it's in the process of "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes"? he question was “are feminists evil” and the answer is no because actual feminist want independence. All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observati…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 01:29 PM
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Feminism is to grant autonomy to women for the sake of their own independence if they prefer that life. Can you explain, for example, how the National Organisation for Women, the largest feminist group in the US, lobbying against default rebuttable shared custody of children is about granting autonomy for women for the sake of independence? Women can vote Feminists first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship, where one class had citizenship rights (the vote) on exchange for…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 08:29 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights15/12/25 02:06 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights14/12/25 08:42 PM
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What imbalance are you referring to?
/r/MensRights14/12/25 07:10 PM
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I don’t And yet you seem to have issue with people calling for everyone being taught to respect each other. Unfortunately, the gender of perpetrators who abuse and murder women aren’t equal either Interestingly, prior to the opening of the first domestic violence shelters, spousal murders were gender equal. It's only since resources have been available to women to escape abuse without murder that the crime has become gender directional. So even if you only cared about women's wellbeing, it would…
/r/MensRights14/12/25 08:44 AM
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Why do I care if half of the population kills each other? That seems like a problem men need to sort out instead of blaming women. In your previous comment you were claiming that there was a huge problem of women being killed by men. When shown that women aren't the bigger victims, suddenly it's "why should I care?" Feminist "equality", ladies and gentlemen. This leads to a divide where the female half of society sticks among each other because their only real predator is men. Thank you for once…
/r/MensRights14/12/25 08:39 AM
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What's that thing feminists like to say when people bring up violence stats? Let's invert it: Who are violent men attacking? Other men! The same crime statistics you're using will show that the majority of violent crime victims are men, meaning that violent men would rather target men than women. This rather undermines your point, as well as the whole "patriarchy" thing.
/r/MensRights14/12/25 06:33 AM
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Why do you have a problem with boys and girls being treated equally?
/r/MensRights13/12/25 11:17 PM
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Many countries define rape as requiring penetrative sex organs. The UK's Sexual Offences Act even states that it's something a person does "with his penis". So of course there aren't statistics for women raping men, because when they force sex on men it's not called rape! Really showing your rape apologia again.
/r/MensRights13/12/25 11:16 PM
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Charming. Do you have anything useful to contribute?
/r/MensRights13/12/25 10:33 PM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims.
/r/MensRights13/12/25 10:30 PM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights13/12/25 07:03 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights13/12/25 06:53 AM
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You can't conceive of a circumstance where someone may be coerced into sex. Don't throw stones from your glass house.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 07:44 PM
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Just somebody who can't possibly conceive of someone being coerced into sex, and declaring that certain actions are "automatic consent". If you're going to insist, you're not just a rape apologist but one lacking any self awareness. What a shining example of feminist ideology.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 06:18 PM
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Do your feminist friends know you engage in rape apologia?
/r/MensRights12/12/25 03:34 PM
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Sounds like something a rapist would say.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 03:16 PM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 12:37 PM
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You didn't challenge anything All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Try again. I also cannot speak on a question you haven't answered. But you can speak on "If the latter, I think you spoke too soon". I can't answer a question you haven't properly articulated. Edit: lol, I demonstrated that "the gen…
/r/MensRights12/12/25 10:15 AM
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People seem to keep forget they the full phrase is "a bad apple spoils the bunch".
/r/MensRights12/12/25 09:49 AM
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Criticism for the actions of it doesn't challenge the validity for them. Which is why I challenged the core belief first. The actions are consequences of the belief. Did someone convince you feminism was bad when you were a feminist, or did you see it yourself? If the latter... I think you spoke too soon. Speak on this.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 09:47 AM
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Wow, making assumptions about consent to sex. Like nobody has ever initiated sex out of a need to deescalate threat, thus out of fear or coercion.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 08:04 AM
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The general ideal of feminism is not bad, All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights12/12/25 07:50 AM
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Someone's missed the point. Patriarchy Conjecture is all about blame. All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights10/12/25 06:51 AM
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So much of what is called transphobia is in fact misandry. It has its root in the perception of trans women as men pretending to be women, men who are mentally ill, and similar. The fear is always "men pretend to be women to get into women's spaces and abuse them" never the inverse. Transmen tend to be perceived as cismen rathet than women pretending, thus all of the issues of misandry apply to them too.
/r/MensRights06/12/25 06:06 AM
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It looks like you're doing that thing where one pretends to not understand anything in order to stifle any communication while considering it to be Good Debate Practice.
/r/MensRights06/12/25 05:58 AM
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There's an assumption here that discussion online and advocacy in meatspace are mutually exclusive. That's a false dichotomy. Have a look st organisations like the National Coalition for Men, or the false allegation support organisation, and others. The wiki in the sidebar has a lot of information.
/r/MensRights05/12/25 06:14 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights05/12/25 06:03 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights04/12/25 10:39 PM
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Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights04/12/25 10:38 PM
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We recognise it for what it is when feminists say "most rapists are men, therefore treat any man as if he was a rapist". But we're talking about killing brown men, so some people turn their empathy off.
/r/MensRights02/12/25 12:23 PM
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Can you explain why opposing murder of men for being men in the wrong country means being in favour of the murder of gay men?
/r/MensRights02/12/25 05:43 AM
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They're already trying to do away with juries specifically for rape trials in Scotland as a way of increasing the conviction rate Scot here, can confirm.
/r/MensRights01/12/25 06:31 PM
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Meaning that men in power would rather hurt men than women. Rather blows a hole in the Patriarchy conjecture, and they hate it when you point that out.
/r/MensRights01/12/25 06:24 PM
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What exactly is "fighting age"? Do they check ID before shooting, of is it a best-guess thing before they potentially murder civilians? Thinking on it, if there's an instance of Bad Guys using, say, child soldiers, or enlisting women, would that justify wholesale slaughter of those groups?
/r/MensRights01/12/25 10:53 AM
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but I can’t help and feel like a victim. Maybe have a look at the Wiki in the sidebar. You'll find that men are not a monolithic perpetrator class, and are often subjected to as much if not more of any given hardship, sometimes exacerbated by sexist policies and definitions (e.g., a man forcing sex on a woman is rape, a woman forcing sex on a man is not; the Duluth model defines domestic violence as something He does to Her, not the other way around).
/r/MensRights29/11/25 12:38 PM
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My point is that it's a birth-category. When I identified as a feminist, a litmus test for sexism was to replace gender with race and see what happens.
/r/MensRights29/11/25 12:36 PM
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If ones only encounter with people of a certain ethnic group was a traumatic encounter, would it be acceptable to assume that everyone of that ethnic group are hate-worthy? Does the answer change when it's not "not all X are like that" but "hardly any"? If your experiences have been traumatic, seek help about that. It doesn't necessarily reflect universal reality.
/r/MensRights29/11/25 11:58 AM
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I do not want to hate men but instead I want to understand their perspective and why they do what they do. Hate is a choice. If you don't want to hate, but want to understand, then try to understand, and choose not to hate.
/r/MensRights29/11/25 11:56 AM
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There was a petition back in 2020. The response was a square "Nah".
/r/MensRights28/11/25 09:04 PM
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at the patriarchy just slightly misdirected. All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights28/11/25 07:50 PM
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Wow. Refusing to evidence your points and refusing to examine evidence that challenges your ideals. What a great representitive of feminism you are!
/r/MensRights28/11/25 07:50 PM
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i’m confused That's OK. Check the sources, check the statistics. You'll find that, for a lot of the metrics you would use to prove that society is systemically anti-black, there are bigger gender gaps with men on the worse end of them. To your querstion, what rights do women lack that men have? For comparison, here are some rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminis…
/r/MensRights28/11/25 07:30 PM
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If you agree that the statistics linked demonstrate that black people suffer serious, systemic disadvantage, then it follows that men, who are on the worse end of even larger gaps, suffer serious, systemic disadvantage - and conversely, like white people in general compared to black people, women are systemically privileged compared to men. So, are men privileged, and therefore black people are privileged, or are black people disadvantaged, and therefore men are also disadvantaged?
/r/MensRights28/11/25 06:30 PM
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i think most feminists can admit misandry exists, it’s just nowhere near as harmful as misogyny. Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gaps favouring women. Are black people privileged like men as a wider group, or are men disadvantaged like black people?
/r/MensRights28/11/25 06:10 PM
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You happened to have commented in a bunch of new threads, and I'm responding to call out the issues in them. You're really quick to assume a victim role - is that "womens' work" to you?
/r/MensRights28/11/25 05:19 PM
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and your hate towards women exposes yours. What hate towards women? the difference is that mine won’t lead to the abuse of an intimate partner in my future. Because someone professing that they are utterly incapable of wrongdoing is absolutely never going to do wrong. Also, China has a perfect government with no human rights abuses, because the CCP said so.
/r/MensRights28/11/25 05:10 PM
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female dominated fields are paid significantly less that male dominated fields Fields like office administrators, teachers, therapists, jobs in climate controlled offices where the biggest danger is a papercut or a twinge from lifting a box of files, compared to fields like oil and gas rig workers, power line maintenance, logging, deep-sea fishing, and other fields with considerable risk of death?
/r/MensRights28/11/25 05:03 PM
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when you are ready to have an adult and mature discussion with someone other than ai, i will happily discuss such things with you. It doesn't look like you're ready for an adult and mature discussion if your knee-jerk reaction to being shown you're wrong is to call the other person a misogynist.
/r/MensRights28/11/25 05:02 PM
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why there is so much hate towards us. What hate are you referring to? Can you link to an example? It would be great to see what you're talking about!
/r/MensRights28/11/25 05:00 PM
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why would i want equal rights when all men do is oppress us 🤣🤣 What rights do women lack that men have? For comparison, here are some rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and …
/r/MensRights28/11/25 04:59 PM
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i am just showing the other side By outright lying? What wonderful representation!
/r/MensRights28/11/25 04:58 PM
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i believe your hate towards women That's a hefty accusation. I presume you can prove it?
/r/MensRights28/11/25 04:57 PM
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A person (A) commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, Sexual Offences Act 2003
/r/MensRights28/11/25 04:56 PM
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Feminism started because women were tired of being a man’s property which was true, women couldn’t own property, vote, et cetera… and I totally support equality, no one should be subjugated because of gender. Feminists first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship, where one class of citizen has citizenship rights in exchange for citizenship responsibilities, and the other class got the rights gratis. In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963 when the draft was…
/r/MensRights27/11/25 03:33 PM
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I really hope that I don't offend the MRAs of this sub, but I dont care if I do at this point. You really care and you don't care. Off to a great start. But what I’m starting to see now is a sort of “oppression Olympics,” a competition over who has it worse, with each side trying to paint the other as the “bad guy.” How do you propose advocating for resolution to mens issues without talking about mens' issues? MRAs are tired of seeing the male gender constantly bashed, so they respond by doing t…
/r/MensRights27/11/25 03:03 PM
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Because you're making the same falsehood.
/r/MensRights27/11/25 10:29 AM
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feminist isn't misandrist All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights27/11/25 10:20 AM
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The first link is where I demonstrate that feminism is necessarily based on the hatred of men (assuming, of course, that oppressing women is morally wrong - we're in agreement on that, right?). The second and third links are compilations of feminist action to entrench disparities in rights between the genders, which makes perfect sense if men are monstrous.
/r/MensRights27/11/25 10:20 AM
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But I didnt realise at that point that it is a competition… Sure. Saying that women beat men in this area wasn't about making it a competition. Sure.
/r/MensRights27/11/25 10:07 AM
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Talking about a predominantly-women ideology based on the hatred of men that has widespread mainstream appeal particularly in media, academia, and law doesn't have anything to do with women who hate men?
/r/MensRights27/11/25 10:06 AM
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It's the same issue as conflating "women" and "feminists". The two are not synonymous, but are used to make bad-faith arguments to demonise a gender.
/r/MensRights27/11/25 10:04 AM
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What was your intention in saying that "women actual [sic] attempt at rates higher than men", if not to make it a "women have it worse" statement on dying by suicide?
/r/MensRights27/11/25 09:39 AM
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There's no room for stigmatising 'jokes' in a space of human rights. And there you go, trying to stigmatise a joke. Even the clutches pearls thing is disrespectful, and turning it around on the person having a response. "This person mocked me because I was upset that someone I was mocking mocked me! How awful! It should be stopped!" No one made fun of me, I'm making fun of you. You're really bad at this, aren't you. are all emotionally immature tactics that will get us literally nowhere at all. …
/r/MensRights27/11/25 09:38 AM
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“Womansplaining” 😭 y’all are too funny Go to kitchen [[clutches pearls]] You forgot what a joke was, and now you're pretending that a comment made clearly in jest is deadly serious because it's making fun of you, rather than men talking about their issues.
/r/MensRights27/11/25 09:19 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights27/11/25 09:02 AM
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Do you know that "incel" isn't a gender? You literally used men as the counterpart to women earlier, why conflate men and incels in the second clause?
/r/MensRights27/11/25 09:01 AM
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Have you heard of Patriarchy?
/r/MensRights27/11/25 09:00 AM
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It always amazes me when feminists claim that fewer women dying by suicide is a sign of a problem.
/r/MensRights27/11/25 08:58 AM
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Glass houses. It's magic how feminists suddenly forget what a sense of humour is when they're not the ones making the joke.
/r/MensRights27/11/25 08:57 AM
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And if it were upvoted, that would just prove it to be correct. Upvotes=correct, downvotes=correct, and correct= no need for introspection! Magic how that works. Also, grand narratives, like Patriarchy conjecture?
/r/MensRights27/11/25 08:51 AM
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genuinely feel like since more teenage boys are becoming incels What do you mean by this? Can you evidence what toure talking about?
/r/MensRights27/11/25 08:44 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gaps favouring women. Are black people privileged like men as a wider group, or are men disadvantaged like black people?
/r/MensRights27/11/25 08:41 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights26/11/25 11:40 PM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gaps favouring women. Are black people privileged like men as a wider group, or are men disadvantaged like black people?
/r/MensRights25/11/25 02:13 PM
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I thought I'd paraphrased, but it's an effective argument!
/r/MensRights22/11/25 08:00 AM
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Men haven’t had a vote for most of history. When they did, it was tied to civil and military conscription. Feminists first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship, where one class of citizen has citizenship rights in exchange for citizenship responsibilities, and the other class got the rights gratis. In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963 when the draft was abolished; I'm the US, they still don't.
/r/MensRights22/11/25 07:57 AM
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“My body my choice” is certainly reasonable Women have greater reproductive choice than men, specifically apparent in the seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came about through statutory rape of the father. I go into greater detail here.
/r/MensRights21/11/25 10:38 PM
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First, thank you for conceding that women are safer than men. Second, thank you for conceding that men, given the choice, would rather hurt men than women.
/r/MensRights21/11/25 09:47 PM
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The core of feminism is equality Based on Patriarchy conjecture. All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). The same lack there of that prevents them from feeling safe walking home at night, Men mak…
/r/MensRights21/11/25 09:23 PM
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a subreddit based around bitching and whining about women. Again, can you evidence that? Or is this a truth-claim coming from your special feelings-place? Becaus the evidence doesn't support it! And the fact you’ve said “feminist” in your list of statements you don’t like says everything i need to know Are you not a feminist?
/r/MensRights21/11/25 09:12 PM
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Do you seriously believe that just repeating a statement makes it true despite the evidence to the contrary? Further, you're presenting "Objective fact doesn’t exist" as a fact, that is not subjective, and thus is objective (even though you've once again made a truth-claim without any evidence). We have long since departed from the boundaries of your competence.
/r/MensRights21/11/25 09:09 PM
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Objective fact also doesn’t exist Wrong. A Truth Statement, backed up with evidence, is objective fact. For instance, gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gaps favouring women. That's objective fact, it's evidenced. Now you try!
/r/MensRights21/11/25 09:00 PM
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What rights do men have that women lack? For comparison, here are some rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came about…
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:50 PM
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Beause it’s a vital equal rights movement All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:50 PM
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It's always struck me as weird when they do this. No, I'm not interested in 1v1ing a stranger through text - if one or the other is convinced, that's one person; on a public forum, others can see the veracity (or lack thereof) of the arguments for themselves.
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:32 PM
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You assume there’s a level playing field. Actually, I don't. I know fine well you'd find such behaviour unthinkable directed at feminists. But advocates for mens issues are fair game to you. That’s the problem with this place, it’s just so upset about non issues they assume carry the same weight as other equal rights movements Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gaps favouring women. Are black people privileged like men as a wider group, or …
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:29 PM
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The elusive people I worship yes, who might they be? You're a feminist. Not even a particularly thoughtful one. You don’t need proof that’s my point. Wrong. If you're going to make a truth-claim, you should be able to show that it's true. You've claimed that this place is 100% misogynists, holding to a resentful ideology, denigrating women at the expense of helping men. Prove. It.
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:26 PM
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But equality goes further than crime Yes. But this is the area they're talking about. Do you do this in feminist spaces? "Why is it always about rape? There's more to equality than sexual violence!"
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:22 PM
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Are you aware that not everything can be evidenced or proven in the way you want it to? Agreed. But if you are going to accuse me (along with everyone else here) of being misogynists, having a resentful ideology, and denigrating women, you'd better damn well back that up, because nobody should just take your word for their own state of being. It’s why all the arguments here are centred on “proof” and results. I know, right? Whyever would one want to be sure they're talking about reality, when th…
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:20 PM
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It’s difficult to support people who won’t support themselves Such as providing resources and evidence? There's tons of that here. this resentful ideology Another hefty claim. Can you speak to that? In what way is it resentful? Can you evidence this? Who am I kidding. Of course you can't.
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:14 PM
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You’re tarring with the same brush "Everyone here is a seething misogynist" As it happens, all forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:10 PM
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Im here to support men too. Except "You’re all dead set on this notion of persistent oppression from the rest of the world and it just doesn’t exist", "It’s like the fat kid at the birthday party on his sixth plate of cake complaining that the rest of them on their third are eating too much.". Either you're a habitual liar, or you're grossly incompetent. Which is it? You’re here to shit on whatever women do and take it upon yourselves to weaponise it into something that makes you the victim Yeah…
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:08 PM
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But I just can’t fathom the way this sub thinks. There's no shame in reaching the limits of your understanding, provided you're humble enough to recognise them. You’re all dead set on this notion of persistent oppression from the rest of the world and it just doesn’t exist And in the next breath: Im not negating misandry as a concept, nor the biases against men in a lot of places. You see the problem, right? It’s like the fat kid at the birthday party on his sixth plate of cake complaining that …
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:03 PM
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it’s probably because you’re being a cunt Gendered insults, naughty. Especially for someone who claims "I’ve never been insulting or rude."
/r/MensRights21/11/25 08:00 PM
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What rights do men have that women lack? For comparison, here are some rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came about…
/r/MensRights21/11/25 07:59 PM
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If it's true, you should have no trouble evidencing it. The fact the best you can do is quote me ...when you tell blatant lies? on something truthful you just don’t like It isn't truthful. Which makes it a lie, as well as an insult. And lying about others is...rude. The fact that it's this easy to show that you're lying is very telling.
/r/MensRights21/11/25 06:13 PM
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I’ve never been insulting or rude. "Everyone here is a seething misogynist"
/r/MensRights21/11/25 05:39 PM
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Really. Because OP was talking about their classroom, and you said it was fine and normal, because of building sites. I don't think you're here in good faith.
/r/MensRights21/11/25 05:29 PM
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Because everybody here is a seething misogynist. Can you evidence that?
/r/MensRights21/11/25 05:19 PM
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Walk past a building site for me, Next time there's an active building site in the middle of a university seminar while people are tryng to learn from the lesson in progress, I'll check.
/r/MensRights21/11/25 05:18 PM
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A really wild thing is that, in response to a petition to gender-neutralise the language of the Sexual Offences Act, the government said that it was unnecessary as "most rapes are carried out by men". By the wording of the Act, all rapes are carried out by men, because if a woman forces sex on someone, we don't call it rape.
/r/MensRights20/11/25 02:52 AM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims.
/r/MensRights17/11/25 06:21 AM
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The second wave, where the feminist Duluth model erased female-perpetrated domestic violence to define IPV as something men do to women? With second-wave feminists such as Mary Koss, whose work was instrumental in defining rape as something only men do by arbitrarily deciding that it's "not appropriate" to describe women forcing sex on men as rape, despite it happening at roughly equal rates to the inverse? Or when the idea of Patriarchy was made mainstream, holding as self evident the innate na…
/r/MensRights16/11/25 08:47 PM
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yes I heard about the voting rights but I checked it was some decades apart in most countries - would you say that still counts? Now do voting responsibilities. The right to vote has always historically been tied to civic responsibilities such as civil and military conscription. "Equal" rights and unequal responsibilities is not equal rights. In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963 when the draft was abolished; in the US, they still don't have equal voting rights.
/r/MensRights16/11/25 06:36 PM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims.
/r/MensRights16/11/25 09:35 AM
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The uk law actually says that men cant be raped. ...by women. Men can absolutely be raped under the Sexual Offences Act, but only by other men because rape is defined as something the perpetrator does "with his penis".
/r/MensRights14/11/25 07:55 AM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims.
/r/MensRights13/11/25 08:03 AM
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This plays off of a specific interpretation of what the patriarchy implies Are you suggesting that intersectional feminism doesn't hold that society is male-dominated (i.e., "systems and structures that historically gave men collective advantages"), that male dominance oppresses women (i.e., women being treated as lesser to men) and/or that while some men are hurt by the system ("patriarchy hurts men too"), the system is set up to privilege mens needs, drives, and interests (i.e, male privilege …
/r/MensRights11/11/25 08:54 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights10/11/25 10:29 PM
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Look up the Duluth Model of domestic violence. It's a feminist model, used as an investigation and intervention standard, that defines domestic violence as something men do to women.
/r/MensRights09/11/25 08:58 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights09/11/25 08:56 AM
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No True Scotsman fallacy.
/r/MensRights09/11/25 08:55 AM
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If you could remove the toxicity from masculinity, what would be left that isn't a gender neutral trait?
/r/MensRights09/11/25 08:52 AM
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Would it be correct to interpret that response as admission that your question was a bad-faith attempt at a whataboutism?
/r/MensRights06/11/25 06:59 PM
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Are you aware that "false" is not synonymous with "deceitful"? So your hypothetical of a witness being mistaken is still a false accusation.
/r/MensRights06/11/25 07:56 AM
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De jure, May. De facto, every month.
/r/MensRights06/11/25 07:42 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights06/11/25 07:39 AM
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I did scroll through the subreddit and its quite hateful Can you link to some examples? It would be good to see what you mean by "hateful".
/r/MensRights01/11/25 09:42 AM
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wish to ask you to expand on this thought. Females don't get to choose to be impregnated. Its not somthing they have control over. When people have sex and sperm swim to the ovaries, the interactions between the egg and sperm are not we ithin a n y control. I talk on this point in detail here. I understand that, and think its dumb. But it plays into the traditional roles of Female=submissive and caregiver Male=Aggressive and protector. Which is an effect of misogyny. It's pretty typical of a fem…
/r/MensRights01/11/25 09:40 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women.
/r/MensRights01/11/25 04:42 AM
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All forms of feminism that cleave to Patriarchy conjecture hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Using this as justification, Feminists actively entrench disparities in rights between genders ((1), (2)). In short, mens rights advocacy will necessarily be antifeminist as long as feminists in media, academia, and law are anti male.
/r/MensRights01/11/25 01:11 AM
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Yet no one (still) wants to address: Representation and solutions I know! It's awful that on a comment thread about how this subreddit isn't helping and is hatefully generalising women, nobody's talking about representation and solutions to gender imbalance in the workforce! Never mind that it's irrelevant to the topic at hand, you've decided that that's what this is about! Again, it sounds like you're bitter that your word isn't being taken as gospel, and you're denouncing others before looking…
/r/MensRights31/10/25 10:58 AM
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You sound bitter that people criticised what you had to say. again, that doesn't make it hateful generalisations about women.
/r/MensRights31/10/25 10:32 AM
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Bro did I say misogyny, no. That's what people usually mean when they complain about people on this subreddit generalising women. I don't think you're being honest in pretending otherwise. Again, you make zero comment on representation and improving something Because I'm talking about your commentary. Which is what you brought up. I'd love the study that proves that all women want to work less for more money. Are you claiming that capitalism isn't ruthlessly profit-focused? Do you want to work m…
/r/MensRights31/10/25 10:31 AM
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Today, for example, 'women aren't interested in being in male dominated spaces, they want to work less for more' (insert list of domains women refuse to work in). I remember that post. Is it hate if it's backed up by empirical data? Saying that anyone doesn't want to work less for more is as hopelessly out of touch with capitalist society as the people who complain that nobody wants to work anymore when they offer bugger all for the work. All I got back is how I was lying Because your claimed ac…
/r/MensRights31/10/25 12:29 AM
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it's just women hating Can you evidence this? It would be great to know what youre interpreting as misogyny. kinda proving my point It's pretty magic how that works - if you're agreed with, there's something to it; if you're disagreed with, it only proves your point. Either way, you're correct and absolutely don't need to examine your biases and presuppositions.
/r/MensRights30/10/25 11:23 PM
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The world doesn’t revolve around you I don’t want... I am afraid... Did you read the article?
/r/MensRights30/10/25 11:51 AM
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It would be pretty hard to blame feminism for the introduction of conscription Where did I blame feminism for conscription? What is said was that the first big victory of feminism was getting women the vote without the cost applied to mens vote, which is specifically not equal rights and responsibilities. It set up the two-tier citizenship, where one class had rights in exchange for civil and military conscription, and the other class had rights gratis.
/r/MensRights27/10/25 07:47 AM
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The issue is that feminism is no longer about gender parity Feminism's first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier class system: one tier gained voting rights gratis, the other purchased theirs with the civil responsibility of civil and military conscription. By that metric, voting rights in the UK were gender-equal in 1963 when the draft was abolished; in the US, they still don't have them. It was never about equality.
/r/MensRights27/10/25 05:42 AM
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The problem is that the extreme feminists have such a loud voice and a way way more powerful presence If mainstream feminists actually opposed the "extreme" like they claim to, we'd see a lot more pushback on the Mary Koss' and Duluth Models of the world. It's telling how they only state opposition when challenged by antifeminists, and then only for the duration of the conversation, and not in any way that produces tangible effect.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:53 PM
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the first feminist will say "feminism is about gender equality", and the second will tell them "feminism is about the elimination of the subjugation of women". How are we defining gender equality? The unspoken premises are: 1) rights are not equal between the genders and 2) women are worse off in this dynamic. This means that Society is Male Dominated Male dominance privileges men over women While some men can sometimes be harmed by this system, the system itself is set up to privilege men and s…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 12:02 PM
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my point was that these views were not representative. This feminist would disagree with what you just said, on the basis that it's advocating for womens' rights on the basis of equality of the sexes.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 12:00 PM
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Then what was your intention? Because it looks like you're just trying to be contrary while thinking you're having a "conversation". it should be a good enough proxy to assess whether feminists are actually endorsing this stuff Are feminists not feminists, then? Because if feminists are endorsing it, then feminists are endorsing it. Come on, even a first-year undergraduate philosophy student wouldn't be caught dead with this kind of argument.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:44 AM
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Are there any feminists who espouse it? Prove that.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:39 AM
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Can you explain how this disproves the idea that feminists have endorsed this? It's like saying that nobody has ever murdered, because the vast majority think that murder is wrong. It doesn't matter if only one in a million people kill another person, the statement "people have murdered" would still be true. In this case, feminists have advocated for this, it has been enshrined in law, and feminists continue to quote and endorse the statistics from the study that lead to this.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:38 AM
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Who cares if I made it up? I do, because I'm talking about reality. You could just as easily say "Nu-uh, I just invented Super Fairy Mega Ultra Sigma Feminism that's defined as the Perfect Ideology that has nothing to do with Patriarchy, so your argument is invalid". Cool story bruh, but we're talking about the real world here.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:14 AM
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I am making them up, Thank you for confirming that you have nothing tangible to offer a conversation about reality. What, are you a first year Philosophy undergraduate or something, thinking that acting contrary constitutes "discourse"? Read the bit I put in quotation marks. That is pretty unambiguously a feminist belief, and yet it doesn't rely on a theory of patriarchy. I have therefore disproven the original claim. I read it. You made that quote up too. Since your "evidence" is fake, you have…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:07 AM
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I don't have to have references, it's a conceptual argument You said you can think of at least four off the top of your head. Presumably, you're not just making them up and they actually exist in the world, so you must be able to evidence them, right? Unless you are just making stuff up. What's presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Looking at the state of gender relations, I think women generally have worse outcomes, Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group i…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 10:37 AM
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If everyone in the feminist movement is a liberal feminist that doesn't preclude anarchist feminisms etc All of whom believe in Patriarchy - the differences are pretty minor compared to the broader-impact ideology. Power makers are not necessarily reflective of broad beliefs or endorsement today, see for instance corporatism's unpopularity Correct. But feminism is broadly accepted and endorsed.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 10:36 AM
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You're conflating feminism the movement and feminism the belief systems Are there any in the feminst movement who don't identify as feminist? You're also nutpicking views that most feminists I would wager would not endorse The fact of the matter is that feminists have endorsed them, to the point where a lot of these views are enshgrined in Law and Policy.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 09:58 AM
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I can think of at least four on the spot. Great. Got any references? Further, even if they exist (which I doubt - you can't have a philosophy focused on redressing womens' oppression without a Patriarchy as outlined in the linked comment), certainly the vast majority of feminists believe in it.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 09:56 AM
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Normal feminist: advocate for gender equality Unfortunately, there's not a single form of feminism that isn't predicated on Patriarchy conjecture. Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. What rights do women lack that men have? For comparison, some rights that men lack and women have (with reference to fem…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 08:33 AM
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Did women get voting rights simultaneously with banning conscription for men in the UK Oh goodness no, not by a long shot. Women got the vote in the UK in 1919, after the First World War which featured millions of men dying for their vote (many of whom were not yet old enough to vote, but we're still requires to pay for it in blood).
/r/MensRights18/10/25 09:44 PM
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Think about a century ago when the suffragettes were fighting for equal rights but were painted as bitter and hostile. Voting rights have always been connected to obligations of civil and military conscription. In gaining women the vote, first wave feminists created a two-tier society, one where men paid for their citizenship rights with citizenship obligations to civil and military conscription, and where women got citizenship rights (the vote) gratis. In the UK, men and women gained equal voti…
/r/MensRights15/10/25 12:12 PM
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Since you've nothing else to go on, I figured I'd indulge you a little by pretending you had anything to say.
/r/MensRights13/10/25 01:57 PM
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So as long as there are more than 17 cases of false accusations, then that's a problem to you? Do you realise 1) that's pretty callous, and 2) even with the pulled-out-of-the-air 2% stat you're looking at more than that?
/r/MensRights13/10/25 01:15 PM
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You were given citations (which was way more than you provided) and dismissed them out of hand because they didn't align with your ideological biases. And this sub is the echo chamber. On any case, an echo chamber would have banned you upon voicing dissent. Try doing that on the feminism subreddit.
/r/MensRights13/10/25 06:31 AM
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Right after a whataboutism, wow. but this eschews/misrepresents the prevalence of false accusations I don't think you mean eschew here. In any case, how many innocent people need to be locked in cages before it becomes a problem? I know what my number is, what's yours?
/r/MensRights13/10/25 06:27 AM
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A person should not be put in a cage purely based on another person's recollection and impression alone, especially if it changes after the fact.
/r/MensRights12/10/25 10:01 PM
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They will deny deny deny, why will someone go around saying ‘yes! I did rape her!’ are we being fr? Having met a couple of people who committed sex crimes, they're more likely to say "I did XYZ, but it's OK because..." rather than "I never did anything". The fact of the matter is, you're perfectly happy to enable abuse as long as a woman's doing it to a man.
/r/MensRights12/10/25 02:42 PM
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sorry but men more likely to lie abt assaulting, It's hilarious how feminists will argue that women are incapable of deceit. Considering that capacity for deception comes part-and-parcel with theory of mind, they're accidentally arguing that women are cognitively inferiour to men (who, as you've claimed, are much more likely to lie). Snark aside, you are quite possibly doubting a victim of abuse. It's not even victim blaming - you need a recognised victim for that!
/r/MensRights12/10/25 12:50 PM
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There’s plenty of evidence to back it up—it’s just a short google away You can't prove a negative. You're trying to make a claim about a dark number, that researchers cannot possibly measure accurately. there is nothing anti-male about it. Hooo boy. Rapists aren’t all men The UK legislature disagrees with you. A person (A) commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, Believing victims isn’t about believing women. It is when…
/r/MensRights12/10/25 12:47 PM
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How about from the perspective of Truth? "Her Truth" by itself should never be enough to lock someone in a cage.
/r/MensRights12/10/25 12:44 PM
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You would rather believethat someone you know well is capable of serious violence than someone else is capable of speaking a lie? You do realise just how far apart those things are? but you doubt the victim? If she's a victim, she isn't lying. And if she's lying, she isn't a victim.
/r/MensRights12/10/25 12:43 PM
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Just raped?
/r/MensRights11/10/25 08:56 PM
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Women are privileged with a sentencing discount for committing the same crimes as men, and your contribution is "Well brown men are just awful!"? Expand on that. How is that not a non-sequitur (as well as being heinously racist)?
/r/MensRights11/10/25 08:55 PM
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Many men who consider themselves part of the movement use men's rights as an excuse for misogyny. How many? Can you give some examples of what you're on about? the same way that feminists who want to be superior to men are not real feminists. Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. Misandry is at the core of the ideology. Compare/contrast: mens rights advocacy is the noun of the verb (advocacy -> to ad…
/r/MensRights08/10/25 10:07 PM
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Here's a comment that references a study on the subject, with links thereof in the replies.
/r/MensRights04/10/25 04:02 PM
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By the same logic, the holocaust was a great move to stop antisemitism. This won't fly.
/r/MensRights03/10/25 07:59 PM
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I've read the book several times and I've watched the series. And yet. I can only assume Assume away. You're still wrong. Your sockpuppet said the same thing. Grow a sense of humour. And maybe an understanding of kink? Just because you think women can't consent to anything doesn't mean everyone is a predator like you. Or keep raging, your responses make this even funnier.
/r/MensRights01/10/25 02:32 PM
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I don’t see any other meaning here when you say "These women would like to be raped and dehumanised" I fully believe you don't see any other meaning. I suggest you read the book and the discourse around it. You can call me a misogynist and claim I do nothing but hate women, but there's precisely no evidence to support your claim. Honestly, your anger just makes the joke all the funnier.
/r/MensRights01/10/25 02:28 PM
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You're so weird for assuming that I know this person and that I must have asked them to be here. Because god forbid, someone disagrees with you, right? They have a similar quality of discussion to you, it made some sense. You're the type to do that too, especially given your habits of lying about people you disagree with. You keep stating that it was a joke, what was the punchline of said joke? Please, explain your joke. I'd you didn't get it, you likely lack the media literacy to underatand an …
/r/MensRights01/10/25 02:23 PM
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In that case, since it’s fiction none of these women choose to be sex slaves to a man either. But of course it’s a problem only when it dit your narrative. Hypocrite Wait, do you think the cosplayers are actually residents of Gilead? My posting history is irrelevant to my point, Nor did I say it was. Nice deflection though, not that it's helping your case. You know your comment history is public, right? Your first comment is a proof. Gonna have to elaborate on how a joke equals constant hatred o…
/r/MensRights01/10/25 02:00 PM
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Honestly these comments make it all the funnier. Butthurt much? You do realise it's fiction right? No women were harmed in the making if this book. No real women are being blamed for anything. I get rhat sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between fiction and reality, but this is one of those things. I notice you don't have a history of posting here - did UpstairsEar as you to come over to help? If so that's even more hilarious! constantly attacking anything related to women, That's quite…
/r/MensRights01/10/25 08:05 AM
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This is such a disgusting interpretation of the book, what the fuck. Chill dude. It's a joke, not a dick, don't take it so hard. "bred repeatedly by wealthy and powerful men", you mean raped? Raped repeatedly? Given the status of the fictional women in the fiction novel, using the term more applicable to farm animals is more in-keeping with the story's themes of dehumanisation in the narrative, don't you agree? Your commentary seems to indicate that you think it's unthinkable that any woman coul…
/r/MensRights30/09/25 11:50 AM
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I wonder if there's a certain Freudian something to the fact that the women who cosplay The Handmaids Tale for these things never cosplay as the grey-clad Untouchable caste that clear the toxic waste and whatnot, but choose to go for the fertile women to be bred repeatedly by wealthy and powerful men and kept in a place of luxury commensurate with the man's position.
/r/MensRights29/09/25 03:18 PM
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Feminists can weasel out of the accusations that their movement is anti-male in the same way though, and we rightly call them on it. They will say things like "feminism isn't anti-male, you're just conflating patriarchy with men. Patriarchy hurts men too". They can try, but the issue is that all forms of Patriarchy conjecture have the same things held as self-evident: Society is Male Dominated Male dominance privileges men over women While some men can sometimes be harmed by this system, the sys…
/r/MensRights29/09/25 03:15 PM
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If someone were to say, "I don't date black people; it's not based on them being black, but more so on having a shared lived experience with me", would that be horribly racist, or are you OK with that sentiment when it suits your point?
/r/MensRights29/09/25 02:01 PM
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I think I have effectively explained my thought process, feelings etc. Nobody said you thought otherwise. and I have demonstrated a complete understanding of said thoughts The hubris. The thing about self awareness is that if you lack it, you may well think you don't and be surprised when others point out things about you that you don't necessarily like. For instance, it's amazing how you can say that "I wouldn't date someone who doesn't have at least a degree" isn't in any way classist, when hi…
/r/MensRights29/09/25 01:43 PM
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BUT when they're presented with a man who does have said standards, they still complain lol Have you read the criticisms to your comment re: the classism inherent in this comment, or are you once again misrepresenting others' viewpoints because you can't face the criticism?
/r/MensRights29/09/25 01:39 PM
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I did. You're once again showing just how completely devoid of self-awareness you are when it comes to your own shortcomings, like that time you claimed that having the right to due process eroded isn't a rights issue.
/r/MensRights29/09/25 01:28 PM
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It isn't classism to simply want a partner that has a shared experience with you and shared values. That's not what you said. You said: "I'm a man and I wouldn't date someone who doesn't have at least a degree" That is classism. Whether you like it or not.
/r/MensRights29/09/25 09:09 AM
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I am incredibly passionate about education, I enjoy learning new things Unless it contraindicates your ideological worldview
/r/MensRights29/09/25 09:07 AM
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Only if one erroneously conflates feminism with women. Female non-feminsts and male feminists undermine that. It does have negative implications about the moral character of people who choose to cleave to the ideology after being presented with the logic and evidence, though. That's not limited to a single gender though.
/r/MensRights29/09/25 03:00 AM
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Thoroughness is exactly why I prefer to have these kinds of discussions on a public forum rather than in DMs - others see the conversation, so they see how to disarm the various hate-points as well as have good sources and resources to cite.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 08:54 PM
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Yeah, she DMed me too to try to keep things going. I honestly wonder whether she had me confused with someone else.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 08:38 PM
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Why do you think it’s tolerated and not undermining to the wider credibility of the feminism movement, to have a vocal minority of genuine extremist misandrists, Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It's tolerated because it's the core of the ideology. Meanwhile, mens rights advocacy is the noun of the verb (advocacy -> to advocate). Advocating for rights does not require a worldview in which women …
/r/MensRights27/09/25 06:09 PM
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A typo* my comments in this thread have been entirely accurate outside of one word Shame about your other comments. It makes you seem jealous I'm better educated than you.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 06:02 PM
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks for playing.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 05:56 PM
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OK, given the context here that I've made precisely one comment to this person here, what position do you think I'm discrediting?
/r/MensRights27/09/25 05:42 PM
0

You're right. I should really focus on their long and storied history of incurable lying, dismissing, discrediting, and denying men's issues even in the face of actual evidence of them saying the things they claim not to say.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 05:35 PM
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Thank you for finally admitting you're wrong about something.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 05:34 PM
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You don't "self diagnose" other people. Self-diagnosis is diagnosis of oneself. You really earned that Masters, huh.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 04:33 PM
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Also afaik eupd in men is often missed which goes some way to explaining why so many more women are diagnosed with it. Women with it generally get help, men with it generally get prison. The condition is massively overrepresented in the prison population.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 04:31 PM
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I cite my claims, and you've yet to answer a single one of them despite your claims to the contrary. You, on the other hand, claim not to be a liar who denegrates mens' advocates and dismisses mens' rights issues as not-real, even in the face of actual evidence of you saying the things you claim not to say. Quite amazing. I stand by what I said, a study of your brain would be an amazing benefit to science.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 04:08 PM
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So the fact that the sources cited in the slides take into account class, sexuality, wealth, etc, doesn't mean anything to you? Or is it your proposition that the gender gap far outweighing the race gap is caused entirely by gay people swaying the average? If so, that would make gay people awfully criminally inclined to sway it that far. Is that really what you're trying to say here, or are you simply refusing to acknowledge the evidence in front of you? You have certain privileges for being a m…
/r/MensRights27/09/25 04:04 PM
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You create a bad reputation no one's going to like you. You're so close.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 06:40 AM
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You've done such a good job demonstrating that so far.
/r/MensRights27/09/25 06:39 AM
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What rights do men have that women lack? For comparison, here are some legal rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came…
/r/MensRights27/09/25 06:36 AM
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But do talk about your vulnerabilities, gentlemen. Don't worry, feminists like this support men too!
/r/MensRights27/09/25 06:30 AM
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Did you read the linked comment?
/r/MensRights27/09/25 06:20 AM
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What do you think I'm saying in that comment?
/r/MensRights27/09/25 06:19 AM
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Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. They're different words, but the concept is the same.
/r/MensRights26/09/25 09:11 PM
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Someone doesn't get the point of the post.
/r/MensRights26/09/25 09:09 PM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black men privileged like men in general, or are men systemically disadvantaged like black people?
/r/MensRights26/09/25 08:04 PM
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And there's the portrayal as a victim to deflect from the bad takes! Make bad takes, get called out on them. No sense crying about it.
/r/MensRights25/09/25 12:30 PM
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you essentially said if I was anyone but me, you would believe it Way to read into things. You were so close to engaging honestly. Then again, you also said you would never engage with me again, and that lasted even less than you did before unblocking me to try to get yet another last word
/r/MensRights25/09/25 11:08 AM
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That would make sense, if it weren't for the evidence that you do in fact dismiss, minimalise, and deny that men have issues that need addressing (outside of the standard feminist "men have problems because men won't stop oppressing even though it hurts them" narratives). For instance, you reject evidence of gender-discrimination on the basis of being male, gaslight and lie by claiming to not know of any feminist policies that have caused harm while having had extensive discussions about the Dul…
/r/MensRights25/09/25 09:19 AM
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The quotation marks around "so difficult" does seem to indicate a position you hold - specifically that men don't have it difficult. It's good you're not denying that this is your position - if you can't speak the truth, at the very least don't lie.
/r/MensRights25/09/25 09:04 AM
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because men have it “so difficult”. For someone who claims to care about mens issues, you do seem to spend a lot of time here dismissing, minimalising, and denying mens' issues.
/r/MensRights25/09/25 08:47 AM
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No need to get upset. You're posting in a public forum, don't cry because you're getting a response.
/r/MensRights23/09/25 03:36 PM
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Not everything has to be inclusive Funny how feminists argue the exact opposite of this when it comes to including (read: focusing on) women. Only when it's about male vulnerability is inclusivity an option rather than a necessity.
/r/MensRights23/09/25 03:31 PM
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If you post on a public forum, you're going to get responses. If you can't handle that, that's on you. after your disgusting comments towards me Your takes are disgusting. I've evidenced that a lot, and you still cling to your ideology despite the copious evidence against it.
/r/MensRights22/09/25 08:19 PM
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We understand a demographics belief system based on self reporting, how else would we understand how people feel? You self report having excellent self-awareness and skills at reflection. In practice, you accuse others of doing a lot of things that you yourself do and they aren't, such as misrepresting others' points. Finally, this study was published. This means it was peer reviewed to ensure scientific rigour and credibility. So are studies on rape that defin rape as something men do to women.…
/r/MensRights22/09/25 07:04 PM
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If you see something on /r/mensrights that's misogynistic, you won't hesitate to claim that it's evidence that /r/mensrights is misogynistic. The minute it's your favourite hate group in the crosshairs, suddenly we can't ever really know. Hypocrite.
/r/MensRights22/09/25 05:23 PM
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I work in research and I have two psychology degrees, the study seems to be very thoroughly done to me. And yet you reject evidence of gender-discrimination on the basis of being male. That you are able to get two degrees despite lacking basic critical thinking skills is a sad indictment of the universities involved. It has been published so it was peer reviewed which ensures the scientific evidence is reliable and credible So was Koss' study that defind rape as something men do to women. Also, …
/r/MensRights22/09/25 05:22 PM
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It is a myth that feminists hate men Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it.
/r/MensRights22/09/25 05:16 PM
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I'm not going to act like all feminists are perfect and none of them have ever said anything negative, that would be ridiculous. And yet you throw a fit whenever you are presented with the evidence of feminists and feminist organisations acting contrary to equality ((1), (2)). I suppose that's what annoys me about the 'feminism is a hate movement' statement, it doesn't take into consideration the nuances of the movement and the different beliefs that exist under said umbrella term. Patriachy con…
/r/MensRights22/09/25 05:15 PM
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You will ignore said examples from real feminist organisations in favour of anonymous people upvoting a comment on reddit. You ignore the vast amount of evidence of real feminists and real feminist organisations actively entrenching rights disparities between men and women ((1), (2)). My comment will also most likely get downvoted because the vast majority of you do not care about equality. While feminists fight against equality as shown above, egalitarianism will be necessarily antifeminist. Yo…
/r/MensRights22/09/25 05:14 PM
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Such as "Our Struggle Is My Struggle: Solidarity Feminism as an Intersectional Reply to Neoliberal and Choice Feminism For those who don't speak German, "My Struggle" translates to "Mein Kampf".
/r/MensRights22/09/25 11:56 AM
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Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it. Despite this, if you have a narrative where Group X is innately monstrous and victimises your group, "revenge" against Group X seems fair and sensible, even to the point of genocide. The kind of propaganda that lead to the holocaust wasn't so much "We hate Jews", and…
/r/MensRights22/09/25 10:39 AM
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Presumably women who are also in their early twenties. Are you really using that narrow demographic to describe women as a whole?
/r/MensRights22/09/25 10:34 AM
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If two adults consensually have a child together Given the utter lack of options for men in deciding whether to take on parenting responsibilities, how can one meaningfully consent to have a child? Moreover, how about if the man doesn't want to have the child but the woman does? Should he be exempt from child support obligations? Edit: Your response is showing up in notifications, but not on the thread for me. From what I can see of it, it looks like you're lying again about the nature of the co…
/r/MensRights21/09/25 09:26 PM
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I don't need your permission to do so. You've a history of lying and projecting while trying to avoid facing challenges to your ideology, so your credibility is pretty shot anyway. Just in case anyone else is thinking of taking you seriously.
/r/MensRights20/09/25 06:53 PM
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Deflection it is. Change it up a bit, won't you?
/r/MensRights20/09/25 06:38 PM
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What's presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. If it was as common as you claim, it should be easy to prove. So it's clear then that you're just projecting your own indiscretions onto the community.
/r/MensRights20/09/25 06:37 PM
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Can you link to some examples? Because this looks like you're doing the thing where you accuse others of doing the thing you do. Again.
/r/MensRights20/09/25 05:30 PM
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You're doing the thing where you accuse others of doing the thing you do. Again. Now, are you going to address the research, or are you going to try to deflect from the research by claiming bad faith, or (falsely) claiming that you've "debunked" the research already despite having never done so?
/r/MensRights20/09/25 05:28 PM
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Nope Neither. But this tracks from someone who thinks observation is logic. I don't do sealioning. I think you misunderstand what sealioning is. In any case, what's presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. That's not what a telepath is. Really? You claim to know what I'm thinking, and that's not claiming to see into my mind? Or do you genuinely not understand how language works? Yours. I don't think you understand what an archetype is. Oh well. What you said has nothing to d…
/r/MensRights19/09/25 03:43 PM
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Well, that explains that. Speak more on that. ALL I'M WONDERING is if there's a MRM without that An MRM without observation? Or do you mean one that doesn't criticise the people you like for observable missteps? I'm overly saying magatypes, which has taken over this group Cool. Can you evidence that? But you think I want a conversation and discussion with you Wow, a telepath! I've seen and lived among your archetype And what archetype would that be? And why the opposite of that isn't a liberal m…
/r/MensRights19/09/25 03:11 PM
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I imagine you wouldn't recognize it. I think your imagination is overactive. No matter, I'm not trying to logic you out of what you didn't logic yourself into Is observation not logic? The question, again, is where are the men's rights group that aren't just a bunch of closeted conservatives Thank you for dropping the "misinformation" part of it. As for the conservatism, given the way the US left treats men, is it any wonder that a number of US MRAs express conservative viewpoints?
/r/MensRights19/09/25 02:59 PM
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Where's the misinformation? Is it in the room with us now?
/r/MensRights19/09/25 02:53 PM
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Do you realise the world is bigger than the US, and so is the MRM?
/r/MensRights19/09/25 02:49 PM
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There is a massive difference between masculinity and Toxic masculinity. if you could separate the toxicity from masculinity, what would be left that isn't a gender neutral trait? Specifically, what is left that is a trait found predominantly or only in men?
/r/MensRights18/09/25 09:15 PM
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Well aren't you the charmer.
/r/MensRights18/09/25 09:13 PM
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Can't really take a Free Speech platform while banning people who post ideology like that user.
/r/MensRights18/09/25 09:09 PM
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You're extremely paranoid and hostile, I wasn't trying to do a 'gotcha' or anything like that, I guess gaslighting comes easy to you. You've tried it before. I was simply asking because you have a completely distorted view of feminism and I was wondering where that came from. "Distorted" based on evidence and reasearch. You have been presented with plenty of evidence in your time here, and you still cling to the idea that all of the evidence, including video evidence, is wrong, and what's in you…
/r/MensRights18/09/25 01:23 PM
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Answered here, in case your question is linked elsewhere to misrepresent my position.
/r/MensRights18/09/25 12:20 PM
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Steady on Mr. Entitled. First you complain that I respond to your comments, and now you throw a huff because I didn't? In any case, the notification didn't come through. I'm also aware that you have a history of asking questions with the stated intention of understanding, only to show that you were looking for a gotcha and using it as a platform for cheap insults - bad faith, from someone who keeps accusing others of such. Your attempted deflection from the evidence that you're wrong, disguised …
/r/MensRights18/09/25 12:19 PM
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Women who identify as feminists though believe in dismantling all gendered stereotypes for both men and women. Feminists fight to keep rape a male-only crime, for instance in israel, India, and Nepal. This is backed up by feminist research that defines rape as something only men do, with female-perpetrated forced sex being described as "men having sex while ambivalent of their desires". Feminists contest making hate-speech against men count as hate speech like it does against women. Feminist org…
/r/MensRights18/09/25 11:18 AM
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No, I am not a prison abolitionist for either gender. I believe that if someone commits a crime and is found guilty of said crime then they should face the consequence in line with said crime Correct. And for women that tends to be community payback orders, rather than incarceration. Indeed, when women receive an average of 63% discounted prison sentences compared to men who commit the same crimes, and women make up about 4% of the prison population, it's clear that, as a society, we already pra…
/r/MensRights17/09/25 06:14 PM
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Yes. You regularly call for people (though lets face it, just men) to be put into cages that qualify for torture. We barely do that for women at all in the UK. So it would perhaps be fairer to say that you're a prison abolitionist for women only.
/r/MensRights17/09/25 04:29 PM
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I got into it with that user recently. Their logic can also be applied to ascribing racist stereotypes as "black traits", because they're traits stereotypically ascribed to people of that birth category. As is their style, they threw a hissy fit and called me uneducated. They're not interested in honest debate, despite what they say - they're after conversion, not conversation.
/r/MensRights17/09/25 03:47 PM
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Once again calling for prolonging torture of men. And that's not even taking into account the ones who don't "deserve" it because they didn't do it.
/r/MensRights17/09/25 03:43 PM
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You're really invested in demonising men, aren't you. There are lots of unflattering stereotypes about, say, black people that could be described as "toxic". Are you going to argue that "toxic blackness" is a real thing that should be addressed, or are stereotypes only reasonable when they apply to men (including black men)?
/r/MensRights14/09/25 05:55 PM
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They don't exist in objective reality, no. Everything else after this is irrelevant. Due to this, we cannot ignore traits that are stereotypically associated with either masculinity and femininity due to the measurable impact said traits have on reality, despite not existing in objective reality Link to where I said that. There are no masculine traits, there are no feminine traits. You yourself said that this was the case. So why gender toxicity? You can't have your cake and eat it. "Toxic Mascu…
/r/MensRights14/09/25 05:44 PM
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The majority of the prison population in the US are non-white. Are you willing to commit to the idea that non-white races are innately more criminal, like you've committed to for maleness?
/r/MensRights14/09/25 05:04 PM
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Of course they're gender neutral, anyone can display either masculine or feminine traits. So Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist, because all traits are neutral. They're simply negative stereotypes associated with traditional masculinity, Traditions change over time, and the traits are all neutral anyway. So why call it masculinity? Why cleave to a mindset that you know (or at least claim to know) is false? Not sure why you're having such a hard time understanding stereotypes Thank you for confirmin…
/r/MensRights14/09/25 04:59 PM
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I see. So they're all gender neutral traits. So why gender them by calling them toxic masculinity, rather than referring to reality? I suppose you could say that being confident is a positive masculine trait Bear in mind, any trait that is masculine necessarily mean that most if not all women do not manifest it. Are women, as a rule, unconfident? The slightest observation will show that's not true.
/r/MensRights14/09/25 04:52 PM
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If you removed the toxicity from Masculinity, what would be left that isn't a gender neutral trait?
/r/MensRights14/09/25 04:37 PM
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So you concede that women do not lack rights that men have, and as shown have rights that men don't. And yet you seem to think women are subjugated?
/r/MensRights11/09/25 07:38 PM
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What rights do men have that women lack? For comparison, a few rights that women have and men lack are: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof. Feminist commentators have said that …
/r/MensRights11/09/25 04:56 PM
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Thank you for finally admitting it. Shame you had to wrongly accuse me to do so, but baby steps I guess.
/r/MensRights10/09/25 10:14 PM
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Looks like someone's misrepresenting someone's stance. Again.
/r/MensRights10/09/25 07:09 PM
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Here are a couple of lists. ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights08/09/25 06:30 AM
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reading is not a problem for high iq, so much so that after 5 words i stopped reading I hope you get better.
/r/MensRights06/09/25 04:25 PM
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That's a lot of word-salad, my guy. Can you rephrase so that you're comprehendable?
/r/MensRights06/09/25 01:58 PM
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I would rather believe a victim and be wrong than believe a rapist is innocent and be wrong. Thank you for admitting that you would rather have innocent men tortured and branded for life than disbelieve a woman (who still has access to all of the support available to rape victims).
/r/MensRights06/09/25 09:26 AM
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Exculpatory evidence, such as evidence that the accuser is lying, is considered "not relevant", and thus is not put before a jury. Even if a person is found guilty, that doesn't realistically mean anything because the jury necessarily doesn't have access to all of the evidence.
/r/MensRights06/09/25 09:25 AM
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You don't think this topic is worth the bother of addressing. Since the consequences of believing a guilty person is that a person who is harmed doesn't get recognised as such (but still has access to all of the support available to rape victims), while believing a false accuser results in an innocent man losing his right to due process thanks to feminist reforms and being thrown in a torture cage, while being branded for life thereafter via the sex offender's registry and news media being permi…
/r/MensRights06/09/25 08:20 AM
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dont spread propaganda [Immediately spouts propaganda]
/r/MensRights05/09/25 10:06 PM
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Sure, the evidence I've given and logic I've laid out amounts to a "boogeyman". Keep trying appeasing the people who hate you, let me know how that works out for you.
/r/MensRights05/09/25 11:18 AM
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i've never said or denied anything about men's rights though? all i listed out were the problems women face, which was asked​. The issue is that they're being described as womens issues, when they are in fact either gender-neutral, more complicated, or reskinned mens issues to focus on women.
/r/MensRights05/09/25 10:01 AM
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sides are men's and women's rights Those aren't opposed. You're running the risk of conflating womens rights advocacy with feminism. Womens rights advocacy is the noun of a verb (advocacy -> to advocate), same as mens rights advocacy, while feminism is an ideology that holds as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It is not compatible with any kind of gender equality movement. women in most islamic countries (especially afghanistan) face extreme oppression The…
/r/MensRights05/09/25 09:43 AM
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Feminism's first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier class system: one tier gained voting rights gratis, the other purchased theirs with the civil responsibility of civil and military conscription. By that metric, voting rights in the UK were gender-equal in 1963 when the draft was abolished; in the US, they still don't have them. It was never about equality, right from the beginning.
/r/MensRights05/09/25 05:09 AM
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Women didn't used to have the right to vote And men did, in exchange for civil and military conscription. Feminism's first big victory was the establishment of a two-tier class system: one tier gained voting rights gratis, the other purchased theirs with the civil responsibility of civil and military conscription. By that metric, voting rights in the UK were gender-equal in 1963 when the draft was abolished; in the US, they still don't have them. and couldn't own property Wrong. Women have alway…
/r/MensRights04/09/25 11:19 PM
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Dude, if you haven’t watched this, please do: https://youtu.be/3WMuzhQXJoY I'm aware of Cassie Jaye. I contributed to the Red Pill kickstarter. You are aware that she no longer identifies as a feminist, which rather undermines the point - and it wasn't done by appeasing and refraining from criticising the ideology. is that she would call herself a feminist again hadn’t it become a hateful movement. "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man towar…
/r/MensRights04/09/25 09:49 PM
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OG feminism, yes. Whatever this 3rd/4th wave garbage is absolutely not. "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims. Original feminism was about equality of the sexes. Whatever we have now is about creating a two class system where women…
/r/MensRights04/09/25 06:27 PM
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Where were you criminalised? It's a pretty mean-spirited joke, if that's what you intended, but that's all I've communicated.
/r/MensRights04/09/25 06:22 PM
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Expand on that. What "sides" are you referring to, and what problems are you referring to?
/r/MensRights04/09/25 06:12 PM
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Absolutely. People who say no need to look up the definition of feminism. Both sides want equality. Patriachy conjecture being core to all forms of feminism means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims Equality looks pretty different from what you'd expect when you come at it from that stance. It looks a lot like a supremacy movement, entrenching gender disparities in legal rights ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights04/09/25 06:12 PM
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Sure, but what you are failing to acknowledge from what I said is that there are women who identify as feminists and who do agree that men have rights too And men. Lets not erase male feminists or female antifeminists by making ideology synonymous with gender. They are also shut down by mainstream feminism. "Those feminists don't represent us!" - Prove it. If the mainstream is as moderate and good as the mainstream claims, they'd do something about the feminists who Are Like That with authority …
/r/MensRights04/09/25 05:31 PM
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Cool, feminists are not just opposed to advocacy for men in theory as shown above, but in practice ((1), (2)).
/r/MensRights04/09/25 04:59 PM
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Aren't you the charmer.
/r/MensRights04/09/25 04:49 PM
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Feminism is not a cohesive thing either. Patriachy conjecture being core to all forms of feminism means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims
/r/MensRights04/09/25 04:27 PM
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Overall, I actually support female and men right's equally. Womens Rights Advocacy is not the same as feminism. The former is advocacy for rights for women (just as Mens Rights Advocacy is advocacy for rights for men), while feminism is an ideology. Patriachy conjecture being core to all forms of feminism means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seem…
/r/MensRights04/09/25 04:26 PM
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what I find funny is how men always brag about easily being able to overpower a woman. That's am extraordinary statement. I presume you have extraordinary evidence? The fact is most female stalkers won’t rape and kill men the way male stalkers will. Women are legally excluded from rape charges. In the UK, the Sexual Offences Act defines rape as something only a cisgendered man can do. As for murder, violent women have a tendency to use proxy violence (I.e., police and false accusations). Persona…
/r/MensRights02/09/25 03:50 AM
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Women can brag about actual literal stalking, but anons allegedly making hypothetical statements ("should") is exponentially worse "to the 10th power"? So men's alleged speculations are exponentially more potent than women's actual deeds? Are women that pathetic to you?
/r/MensRights02/09/25 03:45 AM
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Might that have something to do with the fact that women are largely excluded from legal definitions of rape? In the UK, the Sexual Offences Act defines rwpe as something a person does with "his penis". As such, 100% of men who are raped are raped by men. That doesn't mean men are somehow innately evil, it just means they the measures exclude women from the definition. Who does that serve?
/r/MensRights02/09/25 03:40 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black men privileged, or are men disadvantaged?
/r/MensRights01/09/25 10:22 PM
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BUT if you want a comparison that bad, misogyny is 100% worse than misandry. Why are you here?
/r/MensRights31/08/25 05:43 PM
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When did I ever compare the sufferings of men and women? "Tell that to the women under Taliban rule. You sound insanely ignorant to the realities of women around the world." All I said was that women do suffer and they are not 'overprotected', that is an ignorant viewpoint. And you missed "The misogyny in the East pales in comparison to the misandry in the very same places". Or chose to ignore it in favour of deflecting, kind of like what you're doing here with the accusation of stalking.
/r/MensRights31/08/25 01:03 PM
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This is just another example of you wanting to argue with me for no actual reason. For a third time, I'll ask: why should one revere the opinions of older women specifically? Why grant them that privilege?
/r/MensRights31/08/25 12:46 PM
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When I have your comment alone to go on, and no reason to think they edited it, why the hell shouldn't I condescend to you when you're being contemptable? Again, I'll ask: why should one revere the opinions of older women specifically? Why grant them that privilege?
/r/MensRights31/08/25 12:42 PM
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Right. Unlike the women, the men are free from genital mutilation, are exempt from charges of rape, are societally and legally entitled to the income of women, and aren't executed for homosexulaity. You are insanely ignorant to the realities of men, at home and abroad.
/r/MensRights31/08/25 12:41 PM
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You're missing an adjective there, on that makes the position different from the one you think you're objecting to. Can you spot what it is?
/r/MensRights31/08/25 12:38 PM
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Should they? If so, why?
/r/MensRights31/08/25 11:51 AM
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Right, yes. Out of context links Linked to show context. Try again. People only need to read the threads to see you’re lying Thank you for conceding that you were lying (again) when you said they were without context. I could totally post resources but that isn’t my responsibility So instead you'll criticise people for not doing what you want, when you are (allegedly) capable of doing so. I am not a “MRA”, I believe this ideology is completely counterproductive to dealing with issues men face. W…
/r/MensRights28/08/25 08:43 AM
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Even though I’ve always said that men’s issues are important You reject evidence of gender-discrimination on the basis of being male, call for the arrest of men who talk to women without their permission (which you state is necessary if "The victim decides 🤷", funny how that disappears when the victims are men), bend over backwards to justify the removal of due process as not a rights issue, and refuse to acknowledge that mens rights issues are even a thing. You are a demonstrable liar. this sub…
/r/MensRights28/08/25 08:06 AM
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Are you doing it in order to mock and antagonise the target group? As it happens, you are a bigot, given the regularity with which you belittle, dismiss, and demean mens issues, and defend provable hate groups.
/r/MensRights28/08/25 07:49 AM
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You keep rejecting evidence to cling to your religious indoctrination.
/r/MensRights28/08/25 07:45 AM
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I genuinely couldn’t care less either way So why not practice some empathy rather than criticising people for criticising bigotry?
/r/MensRights28/08/25 07:44 AM
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A lot of the moren influentual feminist thinkers have been lesbians, and feminism spends a lot of time talking about how men are the ultimate source of women's problems. So much for decentreing men.
/r/MensRights28/08/25 07:38 AM
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Would you see the humour in someone making hating and antagonising LGBT people their personality? Or would that be bigotry?
/r/MensRights28/08/25 07:36 AM
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I think you know the answer to each of those. There'll be a slew of articles to the effect of "men need to step up their game".
/r/MensRights26/08/25 11:29 AM
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When you don't know something, asking the Internet is fast; confidently posting the wrong answer and waiting for the comments is faster.
/r/MensRights26/08/25 08:15 AM
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I hope it’s okay that I’m posting here as a woman. There are plenty of female mens rights advocates, despite feminist attempts to portray the movement as incel neckbeard loser beta-males who are simultaneously incredibly organised and capable of harming women. For the men here: what’s one thing you wish more women understood about the challenges men face—whether in relationships, work, or just in society in general? I’d really like to hear your experiences so I can see things from a different an…
/r/MensRights25/08/25 04:54 PM
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Look at victimisation of violent crime, workplace fatalities, military deaths, and so on. Compare and contrast with the frequency with which "The Women Are In Danger!" spurs sweeping tangible, practical changes.
/r/MensRights25/08/25 04:47 PM
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My only contribution? Right, reddit is not a 'contribution to gender politics', it is a contribution to an online conversation surrounding a topic, it is in no way a contribution to gender politics. It is a social media platform. TIL that talking about politics isn't a contribution to the political discourse. Fascinating. My actual contribution to gender politics lies in the research I have published and the research I am currently working on. Still no evidence. So far all I've seen of you is be…
/r/MensRights24/08/25 11:20 AM
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Are you essentially saying that if I haven’t done something during my short time on Reddit, 3 months, then I have never done it and I am a liar? "Essentially" is doing a lot of work there. Given how often you have dismissed, belittled, and lied about mens' issues (and that's far from an exhaustive list), it seems like you can get a lot done in three months. Strange how your only contributions in the area of gender politics are focused on fighting mens advocates and defending provably hate groups…
/r/MensRights24/08/25 10:38 AM
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Funny how that isn't supported in your comment history. Unless that was a roundabout way of saying "feminists don't focus on women, and mens advocates need to be told to stop focusing on men", which would be a blatant lie.
/r/MensRights24/08/25 10:10 AM
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Thank you for conceding that your views are sexist. It's not common that feminists say it like it is.
/r/MensRights24/08/25 07:40 AM
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Do you say this to feminists too, or just to mens rights advocates?
/r/MensRights24/08/25 07:33 AM
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Speak on that. Can you explain how well-wishing furthers your point?
/r/MensRights22/08/25 08:58 AM
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I hope you feel better soon.
/r/MensRights22/08/25 07:24 AM
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that's all they do Now now, be fair: they also chide the people who criticise them for doing so!
/r/MensRights21/08/25 09:52 PM
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Yes. Do you realise that you're implying a position that's a complete 180 from your previous comment?
/r/MensRights21/08/25 09:51 PM
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Start ACTIVELY standing up to these "Fake Feminists" and maybe we'll start to believe you when you say "Feminism is for men too" Damn right. "Those feminists don't represent us!" Prove it.
/r/MensRights21/08/25 07:36 PM
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Again, the source I shared specifically said 'sexual assault and rape', it didn't influence how the data was presented or the narrative because it clearly stated that it didn't just include rape statistics. You have used the same source to present attempted indecent exposure as rapes and assaults. That's why the broad strokes matter. It's incredibly insulting to rape survivors to compare their experiences to, say, an unsolicited dickpic.
/r/MensRights21/08/25 08:43 AM
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And female firemen do the same work and get the same pay as as male firemen. Feminists still pressured for changing the terminology in case women felt excluded. Is it conceivable that such an umbrella term may influence how some male victims perceive themselves and their experiences, perhaps contributing to underreporting or skewed statistics?
/r/MensRights21/08/25 07:57 AM
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Why should male victims of violence be recorded under violence against women and girls? Given that feminists flip out about terms like "fireman" being exclusionary despite female firefighters existing prior to the degendering, and feminists are allegedly about equality, surely there should be plenty of protests about that! Oh wait. Instead, we have a feminist here, telling us that it's no big deal and we should shut up about it. What an excellent, condescending representative of the ideology.
/r/MensRights21/08/25 03:07 AM
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I've been abused by women, and I know many others who have also been so. They have the backing of state sponsored violence. Would I be justified to act as if any woman is suspect, or would that be misogyny?
/r/MensRights21/08/25 02:57 AM
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You're blatantly wrong. Patriarchy is not a model, it is a sociological concept that explains a social system in which positions of power are primarily held by men. That reads like the kind of pedantry that people use when they say that, for instance, hating muslims isn't racist because islam isn't a race (even though people who hate muslims tend to have a very specific skin-tone in mind when they think of Islam). Sure, I guess, technical terms, but you're feigning obtuseness to get away from th…
/r/MensRights20/08/25 04:51 PM
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Patriarchy theory is a model created to understand and address perceived gendered inequalities. While it has been updated on a surface-level (with intersectionality), the core of it remains the same, that society is male dominated, male dominance oppresses women, and that while some men are harmed by it, the system is designed to privilege mens' needs, drives, and interests at the expense of womens, as it was proposed way back in the first wave. As the Duluth model comes from a position of Patri…
/r/MensRights20/08/25 04:31 PM
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let's not fixate on a 40 year old model. How old is Patriarchy conjecture?
/r/MensRights20/08/25 03:42 PM
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The organisation has one director, a woman, I don't see why the gender of the director is relevant to this conversation, would it make a difference to you if the director was a man? Given that male directors is used as clear evidence of Patriarchy, that society is male dominated, oppresses women, and caters to mens' needs drives and interests despite some men being harmed by the system, surely an organisation that has had only female directors would be suspicious of the inverse, no? Or are women…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 11:00 AM
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The skittles metaphor was demonising refugees as a whole, And the restaurant analogy demonises men as a whole, refugees included. I did not demonise men but rather put into context why women are fearful due to the statistical risk and unpredictability. Wow, the very next clause. Racists who repeat the skittles metaphor are also fearful due to statistical risk and unpredictability (informed by racist beliefs). Believing men to be predators is fear informed by sexist beliefs. It was discussing why…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 10:55 AM
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I'm not sure what your point is, I never referenced rape, I said sexual assault I'm aware. I'm pointing out that the source you shared lumps attempted (but not completed) indecent exposure in the same box as actual rape, which may influence how the data is presented and the narrative thereof. Mary Koss' study was similarly broad - consentual sex after drinking was placed in the same category as rape, as was sexual harassment, leading to the infamous 1-in-4 statistic. Further, she also discounted…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 10:51 AM
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The deeper problem is gender stereotypes. that's the idea that women are caregivers and men are less fit to parent. Wrong. Until the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by feminist Caroline Norton, the default was father custody on the basis that the father had the legal responsibility for the wellbeing of the child. Post-Tender Years Doctrine, that was changed to default mother custody. Feminist organisations like NOW have successfully lobbied against every attempt at custody reform, erroneously…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 05:57 AM
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"If they went into a restaurant and they were told that some of the food is poisonous, they don't know which food though and 1 in 4 people who had eaten in said restaurant had reported being poisoned, they would not eat at the restaurant despite the majority of the food being safe" You used the exact same structure as the skittles metaphor, with the same result - it's justified to be afraid of the "food"/"skittles" even though not all of them (and indeed hardly any of them) are poisonous. By the…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 03:13 AM
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What are you talking about? I haven't claimed anything about NOW Oh sorry. The NOW article was one of the items on the list. If you're not claiming that they have nothing to do with feminism, then as per your characterisation of the list it must be that NOW is an individual woman, or that it's easily refutable that they lobbied against shared parenting despite the documentation from them demonstrating it. I could go on for the others but you can't reason someone out of a religion. Maybe you'd ha…
/r/MensRights18/08/25 10:17 PM
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You understand that being 1st on the gender equality index does not mean that the country is literally equal in every single way, right? You indicated that it meant the place is a haven of egalitarianism, so I brought up some fairly foundational mens rights issues. You know that very few people are going to go through every single link and fact check them. No, I don't know that. You're the one claiming that NOW isn't a feminist organisation, among other things. During a debate, an individual wil…
/r/MensRights18/08/25 09:36 PM
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Funny how it disappears when you factor in things like equal jobs, equal hours worked, additional benefits, experience, sick leave and hazard pay.
/r/MensRights18/08/25 09:28 PM
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What rights do men have that women lack? For comparison, here are some legal rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came…
/r/MensRights18/08/25 09:24 PM
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All religions believe they alone speak the Truth.
/r/MensRights18/08/25 09:22 PM
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Sweden, with a feminist government, is 1st in the Gender Equality Index. Cool, so rape is a gender neutral crime, incarceration rates are 50/50, there's no significant gap in prison sentencing for the same crime, and genital mutilation is illegal for boys as well as girls? Oh wait. Also, the 'examples' in that comment are either individual women, many of which don't even identify as feminists, or extremely easily refutable or have literally nothing to do with feminism You know people can check t…
/r/MensRights18/08/25 09:14 PM
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feminism IS beneficial for society and for both men and women. As long as you don't want equal rights and protections between men and women.
/r/MensRights18/08/25 08:08 PM
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Good find. From the "How did we get these figures" section (which is refreshing to see, in my experience these things are usually kept dark): "The CSEW uses ‘sexual assault’ as an umbrella term that includes the following sexual offences, including attempts of each: rape, assault by penetration, sexual assault and indecent exposure." So attempts and indecent exposure are counted in the same box as rape. Interesting. That's in line with Koss' methodology, where she included many participants in t…
/r/MensRights18/08/25 03:57 PM
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When you take into account the fact that 1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted This statistic was taken from Feminist researcher Mary P. Koss' work, that has dubious research methodology at best. Further, her work was used to inform definitions of rape in several countries' legislature including the UK's Sexual Offences Act, that defines rape as something only a cisgendered man can do.
/r/MensRights18/08/25 08:05 AM
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Being yelled at by strangers can be hurtful, but when what's being said implies potential violence or sexual assault, it can absolutely be stressful or harmful If you believe you are in danger of being violently attacked, then by all means. If someone is annoying you by speaking without asking your father's permission or whatever, that's not something to involve state-sanctioned violence for. If a person is paranoid and/or abusive and wants to see a man suffer for it, I am also opposed to that a…
/r/MensRights17/08/25 11:00 AM
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Dont mistake my calling it speaking without permission for approval. It's annoying speech, but that's all it is, and hardly warranting police intervention, like some overgrown child running for a Freudian Daddy because ones feelings are hurt. Who said anything about state sanctioned violence? Police are authorised to use violence if they deem it necessary. If one party can use violence and the other can't, can you see how that adds a layer of intimidation to an interaction? If they say you have …
/r/MensRights17/08/25 05:31 AM
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catcalling (a type of harassment) Harassment is when someone repeatedly behaves in a way that makes you feel scared, distressed or threatened. A catcall is not a course of behaviour, and so is not harassment. The thing that separates it from acceptable behaviour is the state of mind of the person hearing the catcall. If, for instance, a handsome white man in an expensive suit calls a stranger beautiful and the recipient of the speech decides that it is not unwelcome, no wrongdoing has occurred (…
/r/MensRights16/08/25 09:36 PM
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Being arrested doesn't equate to being convicted It's not uncommon for people to be held on remand pending investigation and trial, in the same torture cages as convicted people (whom, as I showed previously, have had their right to due process eroded, meaning that they may well be factually innocent). Sometimes people are on remand for years, and if found not guilty are turned out of the prison with the expectation that they just pick their life back up after living in torture conditions for ye…
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:16 PM
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Wouldn't you agree that monitoring the area better is a good thing? Would I agree that having more people authorised to use violence against citizens for non-criminal activity is a good thing? No. I would not. Wouldn't you also agree that 18+ arrests in 4 weeks, including for sexual assault and theft, is a positive for the community? Are they guilty? Given the torture cages and feminist "reforms" infringing on due process especially for sexual offences, I think some major overhauls need to be do…
/r/MensRights15/08/25 08:35 PM
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I’m not for people being arrested for it You did cite arrests (unrelated arrests at that) as being evidence for the programme being good. It’s about preventing the escalation of a situation Getting police involved is escalation. Imagine having a disagreement with someone and being the first person to show that you're willing to get the people authorised to use violence involved. Who gets to decide what is acceptable speech, and what warrents state violence? "The victim decides 🤷" Given that this…
/r/MensRights15/08/25 08:11 PM
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The police in the video literally said that it isn’t a criminal offence Policing non-criminal behaviour? "Isn’t this good? If it makes people feel safer then 100% I’m for it!"
/r/MensRights15/08/25 07:54 PM
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The arrests for speaking to their betters without permission is clearly a sign that the scheme is working, eh u/Upstairs_Ear4172 ?
/r/MensRights15/08/25 06:45 PM
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Improve your reading comprehension and maybe quit misrepresenting people who don't submit to your dogma.
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:41 AM
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… Jesus. Yes, I said the arrests quoted in the article such as sexual assault and theft are a good thing. ...and showed that the programme to put men in cages for talking without permission was good and useful. Further, in another thread you called for empathy and kindness for women with the kinds of personality disorders that fill prisons. Again, your sense of respect is kind of messed up. people can read exactly what I said Which is why you lying (repeatedly) is especially stupid. Also, do not…
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:01 AM
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Liar. You cited the arrests as a good thing, that the programme was working. I find it amazing that people like you can believe they hold the moral high ground. Its like when white supremacists talk about purging the lesser races, I think "don't they know they sound like the villains?". EDIT: "You seriously love to misrepresent me, huh", says the guy who posted this, saying I was "completely set on blaming feminism for said issues. Completely entrenched in anti-feminism rhetoric, enclosed in an …
/r/MensRights15/08/25 08:32 AM
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My guy, you think men should be put in torture cages if they speak to their betters without permission. I think your sense of "respect" may be skewed.
/r/MensRights15/08/25 08:24 AM
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goes against the idea that all men benefit or have benefitted from the ruling class Most feminists will say that society is male dominated and privileges men by pointing to the ruling class. In any case, the ones who do so are also the ones who are in positions of influence in media, academia, and law. These feminists often fight tooth and claw to further entrench gender disparities in rights in a variety of areas. As such, mens rights advocacy is necessarily antifeminist, at least to some exten…
/r/MensRights14/08/25 09:48 PM
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The issue is various different waves of feminism have different definitions for patriarchy there isn't a single definition all feminists agree on. "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." It's been pretty consistent since the first wave.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 06:19 PM
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Weird. I wonder what she was getting at.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 11:03 AM
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All forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims through Patriarchy Conjecture. This has yet to be proven, and indeed is contraindicated by even the slightest examination.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 03:26 AM
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Wild take. What's the relevance?
/r/MensRights13/08/25 09:24 PM
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Rather goes against Patriarchy conjecture, doesn't it. Men would rather help women than men.
/r/MensRights13/08/25 09:22 PM
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All forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims through Patriarchy Conjecture.
/r/MensRights13/08/25 09:20 PM
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Let me get this straight: men who speak to their betters without permission should be put in cages based on a woman's whim, but conditions that, unmanaged, are indistinguishable from abuse (and may well result in innocent men being put in cages) should be treated with empathy and understanding. Your takes are wild when viewed with a wider context.
/r/MensRights13/08/25 05:06 PM
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You realise those arrests weren’t for catcalling? I realise that. The question stands. How many of those arrests were actually guilty, and how many innocent people are you happy to have locked in a cage to make women feel safer? Catcalling isn’t an arrestable offence in the UK So policing it is a waste of taxpayer money. Thank you for conceding the point. This is literally just having more police on the streets to make people feel safer, I have no idea how you could have an issue with that Yes, …
/r/MensRights13/08/25 09:32 AM
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I’m not saying people should be arrested for catcalling Also you: its working since 18 arrests have been made after 4 weeks of launching 'jog on' What was it you said? "I wanted to see you completely contradict yourself"? More police presence on the streets are also able to address other issues such as theft and sexual assault, as mentioned in the article. Again, how many of those people are actually guilty? You are definitely in favour of putting human beings in cages. It’s about feeling safe o…
/r/MensRights13/08/25 09:18 AM
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if you think that you should have the right to make unwanted sexual comments/gestures to people then that says a lot about you Coming from the guy who keeps (falsely) claiming that I misrepresent and put words in your mouth, this is delightfully rich. In any case, who decides if my speech or gestures are sexual? The victim decides Oh right. I'll ask again, what safeguards should be in place to prevent abuse of this power? If your complaint of the Emmet Till incident is that the violence visited …
/r/MensRights13/08/25 09:06 AM
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Who decides what's cat-calling and what is welcome speech? Who will be effected by it? For instance, would someone consider it catcalling and thus warranting the attention of state-sponsored violence if the uppity man speaking to his betters happens to be black, rather than white? I guess nobody learned a thing from Emmet Till. When a non-criminal action (talking) is potentially criminal based on the state of mind of a person, what safeguards should be in place to prevent abuse of that power? So…
/r/MensRights13/08/25 08:45 AM
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Isn’t this good? Police crackdown on speech without permission from your betters? I can see why some people would love that. It says that since “jog on” was launched, 18 arrests have been made for various offences such as sexual assault and theft A statistically insignificant change, being portrayed as causation. I'm curious to know how speaking without permission in a public place correlates to sexual assault and theft.
/r/MensRights13/08/25 07:49 AM
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Reminds me of when feminists respond to the point that the movement's first big victory was a draftless for women only with examples of war work done by women. Nobody said women never did any war work, but they had the choice, and a factory isn't the same as the wrong side of a nazi machine gun.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 05:15 PM
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Not going to address the point, just further insults? OK.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 04:25 PM
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the title expresses a desire to return to a time where relationships did not require this The title expresses a frustration at OP having to disclose his whereabouts to someone (presumably, given "[Relationships]", an overbearing partner. Are you sure OP is saying that healthy relationships just don't exist anymore, or is OP saying that they're in an unhealthy relationship and want out? I mean, sure, if you want to make up stuff in your mind and battle that, go nuts, but don't act like other peop…
/r/MensRights12/08/25 04:13 PM
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Modern feminism has turned into man hating. "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." It was always about man-hating. Originally feminism was created for equal rights for both genders. And responsibilities for men only.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 01:08 PM
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I’m happy to talk about my lived experience, but I won’t accept being accused of something I didn’t do. Let’s stick to what was actually said instead of making false accusations. Coming from you, this is hilarious. Wow. You do that all the time, but you can't take a real observation of something you've said.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 12:22 PM
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You're putting words in my mouth. Again with the projection. Saying "I’ve had a different experience regarding Christianity" is not the same as claiming that one person defines the entire religion. I was speaking about my own lived experience, So you were using annecdotal evidence, necessarily engaging with individuals to inform your experience of "Christianity", a whole religion. Do you genuinely not understand how you're defining a whole religion based on your personal experiences, or are you …
/r/MensRights12/08/25 12:11 PM
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When did I ever look at an individual Christian and say that person defines an entire ideological movement? "as a bisexual man, I have had a very different experience regarding christianity" That's a lazy one, even for you. You're doing that thing again where you do the things you accuse other people of doing while pretending you're not doing that.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 11:57 AM
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I'm not going to try and discredit your anecdotal experience or argue with you regarding your religion Do you mean that, or are you lying again to disguise a setup for a piss-poor attempt at a gotcha? I will say though that as a bisexual man, I have had a very different experience regarding christianity Oh dear. Looks like you look at individual Christians and say that one person defines an entire ideological movement with multiple subsets.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 11:45 AM
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That's because you look at individual feminists and say that one person defines an entire ideological movement with multiple subsets. You literally just made a sweeping statement about your ideological movement being pro-equality despite the evidence to the contrary. You're really bad at this. Paul Elam, a self proclaimed Mens Right Activist, stated that women are begging to be raped due to their clothing. Evidence? Last time I asked you for this, you just posted Boss Baby. Your chosen religion …
/r/MensRights12/08/25 11:13 AM
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And there was me thinking you were actually going to engage in good faith for once. are also concerns raised within feminism (especially gender-critical or liberal feminism). And yet feminists do nothing whatsoever about the people in their camp who are fighting against their supposed values. They don't represent you? Why don't you tell them that instead of chiding the people calling out the sexists? you're advocating for feminist aligned goals while blaming feminism for said issues (: " a combi…
/r/MensRights12/08/25 11:11 AM
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How many of them were drafted, compared to men? In short, how many had the option?
/r/MensRights12/08/25 10:16 AM
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I’m not looking to argue with you Given your track record, that remains to be seen. What is your ideal world and how do we achieve said world? I.e regarding equality Equal legal rights, equal legal responsibilities, equal accountability. Where this is not possible (because a "perfect world" is impossible), responsibilities proportional with rights, and resources allocated proportionally with difficulties. A good start would be to take the ideology out of law - that means, for instance, degenderi…
/r/MensRights12/08/25 10:14 AM
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I'm in the UK. Here are some rights that women have and men lack: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof, even if the conception came about through statutory rape of the father. I g…
/r/MensRights12/08/25 07:37 AM
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Men have fewer legal rights than women.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 07:15 AM
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Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be demonstrated, and indeed even the most casual observation seems to discredit it.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 06:38 AM
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"[Relatiosnhips] Having to disclose my whereabouts to someone every second of the day is friggin-diculous. Take me back to the cave days." Maybe it's my reading comprehension, but I'm pretty sure "healthy relationships just don't exist any more" is spelled differently.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 03:44 PM
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The wider publics opinion has nothing to do with a legal case As I showed above, female criminals reported to police are less likely than male criminals to be arrested, both men and women tend to see women as morally superior to men, and in other forms of abuse such as sexual coercion, men are not taken as seriously as women. Stop pretending that women aren't treated with more "grace and mercy" than men. They do not have all the information whereas the court does Except whre the information is s…
/r/MensRights11/08/25 01:18 PM
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they want the police to have mercy on the abuser by releasing them without bail conditions, And the wider public? How often is that respected (i.e., what I asked in the first place)? "Sure, he's violent, but his victim called for grace and mercy, so we should respect that!"
/r/MensRights11/08/25 01:05 PM
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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0032258X231159807 - study on why women retract domestic abuse allegations against male partners, I didn't suggest you post evidence that some women retract domestic violence allegations. I suggested you share evidence of women calling for "grace and mercy" for male abusers, and having that be remotely respected by anyone. It happens, it isn't a gendered thing and I'm not sure why you are arguing against me. "Grace and mercy" for domestic abusers is a…
/r/MensRights11/08/25 12:46 PM
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People don't press charges all the time, you know that. How many women call for "grace and mercy" for their abusers, and have it be even remotely respected by anyone at all?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 12:10 PM
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This has nothing to do with her being a woman, he simply didn’t press charges and he defended her, calling for people to treat her with “grace and mercy”. Find similar cases with the genders reversed, that get similar exposure, and you might have something that could back up the first part of that sentence.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 11:46 AM
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I tend to thank them for confirming that feminism is more concerned with blaming men than with resolving problems. They tend to claim that women have ot worse, and when presented with evidence of the contrary try to shift discussion from women's victimhood to men's monstrosity. That's the core of feminism as an ideology.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 05:32 AM
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Where was that said?
/r/MensRights10/08/25 10:38 PM
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Addressed here.
/r/MensRights10/08/25 06:36 AM
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The user you're responding to has previous expressed a lot of distaste for mens advocacy despite claiming to care about men and their issues, even going as far as to dismiss evidence of gender gaps favouring women as not being about gender but actually about race and sexuality, despite the evidence accounting for that.
/r/MensRights09/08/25 06:49 PM
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a lot of them don't care about mens issues but rather care about being anti-feminist. When feminists actively seek to entrench gender disparities and even dismiss clear evidence of gender disparities as not being about gender on the basis that men are privileged despite the evidence, mens rights advocacy is necessarily antifeminist. You can claim to care about men and be a feminist, but that's a clear indicator that you don't understand how the latter is vehemently opposed to the former.
/r/MensRights09/08/25 04:14 PM
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I said 'largely excluded', not that they were completely excluded. "largely excluded" can be read to mean"more often than not". And one of the examples you gave was working in mines - women are legally barred from working where they'll get black lung, likely while having a child with them due to breastfeeding concerns (who would also get black lung), and that oppresses women rather than benefits them. You said, 'Most people didn't have bank accounts until relatively recently, because of class ra…
/r/MensRights08/08/25 02:06 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'forced into the meat grinder' Military conscription. It's fairly common slang, I'm surprised you haven't come across it before. It would also apply to particularly strenuous and dangerous occupations. It could arguably apply to civil conscription too, such as Hue and Cry laws. If you're referring to having to work historically, yes, women were oppressed for being largely excluded from the workforce No women ever worked on the farm? No female brewers or weavers (fro…
/r/MensRights08/08/25 01:25 PM
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I would argue that men are expected to be the breadwinner and are conscripted due to patriarchal standards i.e. gender norms that paint men as the 'provider' and the 'protector'. These roles weren't created to oppress men Women are oppressed by not being forced into the meat-grinder and being forced to have others be obligated to their wellbeing. Being forced into the meat-grinder and obligated to support your moral betters is in mens interests and a reward for men for being men. If this situati…
/r/MensRights08/08/25 11:20 AM
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Men haven't been historically marginalised based on being male The only gender class expected to labour and generate wealth for the wellbeing of another, the only gender class subjected to civil and military conscription, and the gender class that is still, currently today, on the worse end of gender gaps that equal or exceed race gaps. But I guess that doesn't fit your ideological framework, so the evidence can be dismissed.
/r/MensRights08/08/25 09:18 AM
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The words against women you mentioned have a history of being used against women in a sexist way so therefore would be considered slurs. Mansplaining, manterrupting, man-tears, beardtears, manfeelz, toxic masculinity, Patriarchy, manspreading, male privilege, misogynist, among others, are all used against men in sexist ways, often being used to justify threat narratives entrenching disparities in actual legal rights, portraying men as monsters. The fact that some of these originate and are enshr…
/r/MensRights08/08/25 08:18 AM
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The study calculates this as if anything not specifically earmarked for women is earmarked for men, rather than being neutral. That is false.
/r/MensRights08/08/25 08:06 AM
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Can you explain why advocacy for rights for men holds back men?
/r/MensRights07/08/25 03:46 PM
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You're moving the goal post. Coming from the guy who, when proven wrong in saying that there are no rights that men don't have, tried to make it about first wave feminists. You've already conceded that there are rights men lack that women have. therefore 'first wave feminism' was to blame for the issues with family court, Currently, modern feminism is to blame for the issues with family court. If feminist groups stopped opposing joint custody, misrepresenting it as forcing women to give children…
/r/MensRights07/08/25 11:23 AM
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The context is not irrelevant "Some other legal rights that women have and men don't are: " "But she's not a feminist!" Irrelevant. Her inclusion in that point was to put to rest the feminist propaganda that the legal right given to women and not to men was a result of patriarchal "woman-as-caregiver" roles, where it is in fact a relatively modern thing. it is not irrelevant to state that a leading feminist organisation advocates for equal custody rights of the children when you're directly sayi…
/r/MensRights07/08/25 10:38 AM
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Thank you for conceding that there are legal rights women have and men don't. Were you lying before when you said there weren't, or are you just incompetent? You're referencing a woman in the 1800s who didn't even identify as a feminist or even believe in equality for women? Were the suffragettes first wave feminists? They didn't identify as such. Conveniently leaving out that she was emotionally and physically abused by her husband, how even when they separated, she was still seen as his proper…
/r/MensRights07/08/25 09:59 AM
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Charming. Anyway, here are some legal rights women have and men don't: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebuttable presumed shared custody. Seperation of consent to sex from consent to parenthood and the responsibilities thereof. Feminist commentators have said that a unilaterally male-controlled co…
/r/MensRights07/08/25 08:31 AM
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Genuinely, no men’s rights are at risk Conveniently ignore the examples of feminists fighting tooth and claw to entrench disparities in actual honest-to-god legal rights afforded to women but not to men. Some other legal rights that women have and men don't are: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts against rebu…
/r/MensRights07/08/25 08:31 AM
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Take your time, break up your paragraph with full stops and capital letters to end and begin sentences respectively. It makes it far easier to read.
/r/MensRights06/08/25 03:36 PM
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It might have something to do with the fact that, as far as I can see, all of your comments and posts are lower case, unpunctuated, massive run on sentences that are a slog to read. Most of the posts you've made here are unrelated to mens rights advocacy, and instead are asking why people might take issue with your posting. In each post, people explain exactly why. Take your time, break up your paragraph with full stops and capital letters to end and begin sentences respectively. It makes it far…
/r/MensRights06/08/25 06:15 AM
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This was addressed here
/r/MensRights05/08/25 12:59 PM
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Just going to gloss over the takedown of your points and requests for you to back up your accusations, I see. My mere existence in this sub demonstrates that I do not simply consume information that validates my beliefs. Lies again. . I have found middle ground with many people here Cool. What points of feminist dogma did you give up to find middle ground?
/r/MensRights04/08/25 07:14 PM
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You are literally spamming almost every comment I post on this subreddit Posting with evidence and counterargument.s You're responding with spam. it's seriously weird Not used to having your dogma challenged, huh. and I'm just not engaging with it And I'm the one who's supposed to be in an echo chamber.
/r/MensRights04/08/25 07:12 PM
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Keep tantruming. You're doing a great job showing the intellectual rigour of feminism in general and yourself in particular.
/r/MensRights04/08/25 06:39 PM
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I dont try to minimise the issue at all, "You literally have a higher chance of being raped yourself than falsely accused. Less than 3 in 100 rapes reported to the police even result in the perpetrator being convicted...Instead of wasting time on this..." Lying again.
/r/MensRights04/08/25 06:39 PM
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The thing is, I actually do care whereas you do not. You have no idea what I do. You care about smearing feminism Calling out hate groups, yes. you care about blaming women Prove it. you do not care about the actual issues. Your comment history says as much. Yes, that's why I respond to linked and cited posts proving my dogmatic assertions wrong with clips from Boss Baby instead of anything addressing the points. you argue in bad faith and you love to misrepresent my stance Cited points, quoting…
/r/MensRights04/08/25 06:37 PM
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I don't agree that false accusations are equivalent to rape The physical and mental health impacts are similar. and they should be 100% be addressed I thought we were "wasting time on this". The fact is though, they do not happen at the prevalence your post suggests Wrong. And wrong again.. I would argue that it is more beneficial to spread actual awareness about male victims of sexual assault How would we spread awareness of mens issues like that without offending your sensibilities by talking …
/r/MensRights04/08/25 06:25 PM
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Let me guess, you actually have a bunch of evidence, but you're going to throw a tantrum and not show your working because you don't like who's showing you to be wrong. Why are you even here? You clearly don't care about advocacy for men. This is what a feminist looks like, I guess.
/r/MensRights04/08/25 06:21 PM
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You literally have a higher chance of being raped yourself than falsely accused. A study by Stewart (2020) found that in a recent national survey by YouGov, 11% of men reported having been falsely accused of domestic violence, child abuse, sexual assault, and other forms of abuse as compared to 6% of the women. This post has a bunch more citations. Given your [track record] when it comes to statistics that don't fit your stereotyping of women as weak victims and men as evil monsters, I doubt you…
/r/MensRights04/08/25 06:12 PM
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What, no evidence? Cool. I'll assume you are just straight up lying then.
/r/MensRights04/08/25 02:52 PM
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The fact you included Warren Farrell in this list discredits your opinion completely. "You should never simply dismiss information". Farrell directly compared women getting raped to men being unemployed, arguing that they have similar repercussions. Source? It would be good to see if you're leaving out context or straight-up lying about someone's position. Again. He also argued against the American Violence Against Women Act Why? Because he just loves violence against women, or because it gender…
/r/MensRights04/08/25 02:45 PM
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you're not going to make any progress if you aren't going to argue against the fact that men suffer under toxic gender stereotypes Where did I claim otherwise? I gave you an (anecdotal, granted) example where a man in primary care did not receive slurs from men that you describe as being ubiquitous. And now you're pretending you didn't say all came from men!
/r/MensRights03/08/25 05:42 PM
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You've moved from "guys feeling emasculated by doing work that women typically do" and "men with their performative macho masculinity" to "people (especially insecure people)". Have you heard of motte and bailey tactics? Misandrists use them all the time.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 05:27 PM
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I've been downvoted to hell by literally everyone for simply having a differing opinion Right! All you've been doing is denying evidence of gender gaps favouring women, acting as if born gender and chosen ideology are equivalent, making criticising an ideology equivalent to hatred of a gender, repeatedly lying about your position in an attempt to land "gotchas" while claiming to only want to find a middle ground, ignoring inconvenient questions then pretending that you never saw them in the firs…
/r/MensRights03/08/25 04:25 PM
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I know nothing about her so I can’t comment on what she stands fo But you're going to weigh in on something you're unqualified for, yet again!
/r/MensRights03/08/25 04:20 PM
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Coming from the guy who was presented with statistics showing gendered gaps favouring women and decided that statistics don't mean anything in the face of ideological stereotyping.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 04:18 PM
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I’m not trying to convince you of anything "Like I said, feminism is extremely nuanced and many branches of feminism disagree with each other completely on many points so it shouldn't be spoken about as a monolith." Looks like you're trying to convince people of a NAFALT position.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 04:17 PM
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Like I said, feminism is extremely nuanced and many branches of feminism disagree with each other completely on many points so it shouldn't be spoken about as a monolith. So when feminists say "feminism is about equality", you're right there to tell them off? How about "All forms of feminism believe in Patriarchy conjecture"?
/r/MensRights03/08/25 04:16 PM
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I think that is an extremely back and white view of a nuanced ideology which encompasses numerous perspectives i.e. radical, intersectional, cultural, liberal etc. Feminists often fight tooth and claw to further entrench gender disparities in rights in a variety of areas. They justify their actions with Patriarchy conjecture meaning that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 04:15 PM
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most people here are completely unwilling to have an open conversation, they aren't looking to find middle ground Where is the middle ground with misandrists? What feminist points would you be willing to let go of to find middle ground with mens rights advocates?
/r/MensRights03/08/25 04:14 PM
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To deny the existence of toxic gender roles literally means to deny the existence of the discrimination men face It it possible that discrimination and stereotyping exists without it solely being the fault of "guys feeling emasculated by doing work that women typically do"?
/r/MensRights02/08/25 08:31 PM
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My dad was a primary school teacher (UK), and never got any of what you're describing. I suspect this is an issue of the kind of people you hang out with more than a problem with masculinity.
/r/MensRights02/08/25 05:33 AM
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"Men who aren't dating" Never had an issue with dating, better weigh in!
/r/MensRights30/07/25 08:07 PM
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Do you make similar points to women with sex toys? After all, if an AI partner sidelines women while being an attempt to simulate a whole human being, a dildo reducing men to the penis must be even more toxic.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 07:25 PM
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yes; the OP question was on something that by nature is not something that is easy to measure So was presenting provably false accusations as the entirety of false accusations a bad-faith move on your part, or merely poor phrasing? you should look up the methodology on determining unreported rapes if it's something you are curious about From what I've gathered, they all seem to rely on accusers reporting to someone. Which makes them reported sexual assaults and rapes. Further, there seems to be …
/r/MensRights28/07/25 05:08 PM
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I'm well aware. That's why, unfortunately, statistics on "provably" true accusations aren't as accurate as they could be. He Said/She Said with no other evidence, but the Jury convict anyway? That's "provable" even though it's nothing like it.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 05:05 PM
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this is on the rate of false accusations The rate of provably false accusations. a sizable amount of rapes go unreported If they're not reported, where do the measures come from?
/r/MensRights28/07/25 03:40 PM
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Remember that any statistics given will reflect accusations that are provably false. Likewise, rape statistics reflect what is provably true (with some deck stacking through things like rape shield laws preventing evidence from being put before a jury). So when you see people saying "only 2/6/8% of rape allegations are false", it does not follow that the remaining 92-98% are not false - an ammount of them will be provably not-false, while the vast majority are in the "we don't know" pile. Anyway…
/r/MensRights28/07/25 03:37 PM
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Wrong, and wrong again. Reading's tough for you, isn't it.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 01:01 PM
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I don't think ALL men are monsters, but honestly most of them are. "How can I be misandrist when I'm also a male?" Like that.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 12:56 PM
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how I can be a misandrist while I'm also a mal Self-hatred is a thing. If you think that men are monsters, whether or not you think you're "one of the good ones", that's still misandry. Not these retards like on this place Ablism too Keep going, I've nearly filled the bingo-card!
/r/MensRights28/07/25 12:49 PM
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I didn’t dismiss statistics, You saw statistics showing that women are favoured over men in a variety of areas, and pretended it was actually about race and sexuality rather than gender, even though those factors were considered in the sources. Because your ideological position is that women have it worse than men, whatever the evidence says. instead of twisting what I actually said "Men can be oppressed for their race, ethnicity, sexuality etc. But they still face privilege due to their gender.…
/r/MensRights28/07/25 12:00 PM
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Do you not understand what statistically means? Coming from the guy who was presented with statistics showing gendered gaps favouring women and decided that statistics don't mean anything in the face of ideological stereotyping.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 09:52 AM
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How many people choose their gender? How many people choose an ideology? If that ideology is based in hate, should people choosing it not be held accountable?
/r/MensRights28/07/25 09:27 AM
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So brave. We need more people promoting the idea that women are incapable of lying, and that accusations equal guilt regardless of evidence. Especially people who respond to criticism with sex-negativity, personal attacks, and racism.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 08:16 AM
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Do you believe women are capable of lying? Because "the woman said" things that were dismissed upon reviewing video evidence.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 08:14 AM
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Ignore the evidence. Women are victims and men are monsters.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 08:07 AM
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And shown otherwise.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 08:04 AM
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Read the article.
/r/MensRights28/07/25 08:04 AM
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Cool. Have you checked out the subreddits wiki? That's a good primer.
/r/MensRights26/07/25 03:51 PM
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What's the relevance?
/r/MensRights26/07/25 03:49 PM
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Thank you for conceding that the Duluth model is still used as an investigative definition for domestic violence. Meaning that feminists have perpetuated gender disparities, justified by their hate ideology.
/r/MensRights24/07/25 11:20 AM
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OP states that 'is still the investigate standard used today' in the UK, this is incorrect You are wrong. The model is also still used in programme work for people convicted of domestic violence, and social work. The person you're replying to also states that feminists perpetuate and defend sexism against men which is also incorrect: I linked to a non-exhaustive list of feminists doing exactly that. And that's before we get to your response when presented with gender disparities favouring women …
/r/MensRights23/07/25 06:01 PM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women.
/r/MensRights22/07/25 10:03 PM
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Honestly, the twisting and turning they're doing is almost as fascinating as the things they choose to ignore. Edit: lol they blocked me. Just too fragile.
/r/MensRights22/07/25 09:35 PM
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And characterising a population by the outliers is a technique used by hatemongers.
/r/MensRights22/07/25 05:46 PM
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How many gays involve children in their sexuality? It's hardly any, same with men in general, and should be compared to the heterosexual population to get a more complete statistic. That's not so say that pedophilia is fine and dandy because it's rare, but characterising gay men as pedophiles is in the same family as characterising men in general as rapists.
/r/MensRights22/07/25 01:02 PM
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All forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims through Patriarchy Conjecture. Since this is contra-indicated by even the slightest scrutiny, feminism is incompatable with advocacy for rights for men.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 08:36 PM
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I think she'd have some choice words if you called her a feminist to her face.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 08:34 PM
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There is MRAs who fight tooth to claw that women are bad too. Where? Can you link to examples?
/r/MensRights20/07/25 03:24 AM
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People in this subreddit are quick to say the patriarchy isn’t real but they then talk about issues such as men being seen as the aggressor and women automatically being seen as the victim which is a patriarchal belief Identifying an issue does not mean that it's the cause you think it is. Just because a doctor acknowledges an illness' existence doesn't mean they're just the same as the people who believe in the Four Humours model.
/r/MensRights19/07/25 06:18 PM
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Most likely, there are insanely toxic people on both sides Yeah. The insanely toxic people in the feminist movement are the ones in positions of authority in media, academia, and law, often introducing and dictating policy, while the insanely toxic people in the MRM are randomusername69 on Reddit, who says hateful things that get downvoted and deleted. Feminists see this group as misogynistic due to the misogynistic minority That they mysteriously can never actually cite when asked, or reach for…
/r/MensRights19/07/25 06:16 PM
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women weren't even allowed to open their own bank accounts in the UK until the 1970s. Wrong. Married women were entitled to the finanial support of their husbands, but single women were to support themselves. If this required a bank account, so be it. their money was legally controlled by the husband ...as a way to facilitate his obligations to financially support his spouse. The Married Womens Property Act (1882) allowed women to have sole access to the wealth they created, while still obligati…
/r/MensRights19/07/25 06:12 PM
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because of the misogyny that is seen in spaces like this Such as? It would be great to know what you're referring to. If it's as rife as feminists claim, it shouldn't be hard to link to. Edit: Not a thing. There's a suprise.
/r/MensRights19/07/25 06:07 PM
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But this group also dismisses feminism as man hating group ...using evidence in the ideology of feminism and in the action of feminists. Whereas feminists claim that mens rights advocates are woman-hating and fussing about nothing, despite the actual literal paper-trail showing not only the disparity in rights, but often who is responsible for entrenching them.
/r/MensRights19/07/25 06:07 PM
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I don't think it's feminism if thats what you're leading to, The Duluth Model of domestic violence was a feminist model, pioneered by feminists to address the fact that the data was not showing gender-directionality in domestic violence. The Duluth model defines domestic violence as something men do to women, and is still the investigative standard used today, in the UK and elsewhere. Stereotypically, men are seen as the aggressors and women are seen as victims, which is something that feminists…
/r/MensRights19/07/25 06:04 PM
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I am looking at this from a British point of view, men never had to sign up for the draft to vote here, British person here. I'm afraid toure wrong. The right to vote has always been tied to military service. The draft ended in 1963, meaning that that was when men and women got equal voting rights. You have to remember that male circumcision and FGM are not comparable, You have to remember that FGM covers a range of procedures, some of which are comparable, and some are as mild as a ceremonial p…
/r/MensRights19/07/25 02:30 PM
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It's a hard thing to learn. "Red Pill Rage" is a thing for a reason.
/r/MensRights19/07/25 05:37 AM
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I interpreted the patriarchy as being a system in which men control a disproportionately large share of social, political and religious power, I don't think men are monstrous for this, in fact I believe that men are victims of this system as I stated in my post If: Society is Male Dominated Male dominance privileges men over women While some men can sometimes be harmed by this system, the system itself is set up to privilege men and subjugate women for mens express benefit. ...then oppression of…
/r/MensRights19/07/25 04:59 AM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims. It was always a hate group.
/r/MensRights19/07/25 04:52 AM
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Historically, children did go to the father but this is due to the legal notion that the father was the head of the household and therefore had an innate right to the children Incorrect. Men have (and still do) have a legal obligation for the wellbeing of their spouse and children, and so the thinking was that rights should be commensurate with responsibilities - you're obligated to the wellbeing of the child? You get custody so you can ensure that. The fact that children went to the father hist…
/r/MensRights19/07/25 04:43 AM
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Would you say that the belief in the idea that we live in a patriarchy as inherently anti man then? That is exactly what I'm getting at. If one has a worldview that requires men as a class to be monstrous, there better be good evidence for it. Fortunately, the claim is contraindicated by even the slightest scrutiny. And if so, what are your beliefs about dismantling gender norms and stereotypes? Some norms are rooted in biology, some are rooted in culture. Laws, however, are far easier to change…
/r/MensRights18/07/25 09:37 PM
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I am more so referring to feminist theory and beliefs regarding patriarchy rather than specific individuals. Unfortunately, patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. That's what "justifies" the "bad actors". Sure, there are all sorts of different feminisms, but they all hold Patriarchy as a core axiom, which makes them all incredibly problematic, especially as the aforementioned traits of Patriarchy have…
/r/MensRights18/07/25 09:24 PM
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Feminists often fight tooth and claw to further entrench gender disparities in rights in a variety of areas. While I'm sure many coffee-shop, grassroots feminists are in favour of equality in principle, the fact remains that feminists in positions of power in media, academia, and law don't. They don't represent you? Have you told them?
/r/MensRights18/07/25 08:45 PM
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I'll have to look that up. Though the idea of DIYing a contraceptive gives me the Fear. As for the person I was responding to, I don't think they're that well read. I've no doubt they would have made reference to it if they were meaning that. Given their comment history, I doubt their intentions are good, or that they're discussing in good faith - they've already stated several outright lies in our conversations and doubled down when called out.
/r/MensRights17/07/25 06:41 AM
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the fact that you cant process that there is obviously nuance to conversation and a man who is raped is not consenting therefore (and as is clear in my wording in my original comment) they have no CHOICE in that situation as they as being raped is non consensual so the man is not choosing to participate. That's a lot of word salad. Yes, rape victims don't consent to sex. What did you think I was saying? Or were you just making things up again? Men also have access to contraception (and actually …
/r/MensRights17/07/25 05:48 AM
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never once said that male friendships are harmful to women, When I said: You're also ignoring the political narratives - feminists have been instrumental in maintaining the idea that men who band together hurt women. You said yeah cos a lot of yall on here are woman haters xx Thus conceding, thanks again. and the only people who can fix that are men Are you sure women can't help? Do you think women are that incompetent? For instance, the people who, for instance, say of people talking about mens…
/r/MensRights16/07/25 04:11 PM
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It's interesting how some people will acknowledge the Protector/Provider role expected of men, but be genuinely surprised to realise that protecting and providing necessarily requires a sense of empathy - you can't protect or provide well if you don't understand when your charge needs protecting or what your charge needs to have provided. So the idea that "Patriarchy" simultaneously "hurts men too" by placing them in the protector/provider role while simultaniously stamping out empathy in men as…
/r/MensRights16/07/25 01:50 PM
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You did no such thing. When presented with the reality that women have the right to separate sex from parenthood, you conceded that it was because women carry the child. As women have options to forgo parenthood (much more contraceptive options, abortion, adoption, and Safe Haven Abandonment in the US), and men get "if you as a man don’t want to have a child don’t have unprotected sex", even if the protection they use failed or if the conception came about through the father's statutory rape. If…
/r/MensRights16/07/25 09:51 AM
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without evidence? the supposed “male loneliness epidemic” isn’t enough evidence that men aren’t having healthy meaningful relationships with other men? The existence of hte problem is not evidence that your claim is true. Yeah sure i am blaming men, Thank you for conceding the argument. and to your last point, yeah cos a lot of yall on here are woman haters xx Again, presented without evidence. Thank you, though, for conceding that feminists promote the idea that male friendships are harmful to …
/r/MensRights16/07/25 09:47 AM
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For example, if a women accidentally gets pregnant while having sex, in some states the government can force the women to carry the baby to term. If a couple have sex, and the woman doesn't want to be a parent, she has the following options (many of which can be done unilaterally without including the partner in the decision): caps or diaphragms combined pill condoms contraceptive implant contraceptive injection contraceptive patch female condoms IUD (intrauterine device or coil) IUS (intrauteri…
/r/MensRights16/07/25 08:05 AM
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There are plenty of subreddits that include regular detractions, including feminism, askfeminists, and againstmensrights. Best of luck!
/r/MensRights16/07/25 07:57 AM
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Thank you for acknowledging that women have more reproductive rights than men.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 07:36 AM
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how is it misandrist cause i stated men aren’t supporting their male friends enough? Without evidence, and when presented with evidence to the contrary. "This is a problem" "Yeah, well it's your fault!" Can you understand how unhelpful that response is, and how it might be seen as invalidating? men expecting women to fix men’s problems when the only way men can have healthy male friends is by MEN doing something is crazy Why shouldn't intimate partners be invested in the wellbeing of their partn…
/r/MensRights16/07/25 07:36 AM
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if you as a man don’t want to have a child don’t have unprotected sex, it’s not a hard concept to grasp It's simultaneously funny and sad to me how people turn into bronze age pro lifers when they're talking about men.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 07:25 AM
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but isn’t your whole thing as an MRA that women are trying to get child support from every man they can so they can live a luxury life? Where did you get this idea?
/r/MensRights16/07/25 07:20 AM
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their friends are providing support or being there for them, shocker, men causing male problems That's a misandrist take I haven't seen before. It's so sad that certain types of people (usually feminists) are so keen om women as victims and men as monsters. It's clear in their rhetoric: "Women have it worse." "Here's a provable male problem" "Ah, but that's mens fault!" (As if that somehow invalidates the problem as being worthy of consideration). Such little compassion.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 07:17 AM
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Do you have any meaningful criticism, or will you just stick to the name calling?
/r/MensRights15/07/25 09:57 PM
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if you...don't give a shit about the plight of others.... why should they care about your problems? That also works vice versa. I presume you also say this to detractors of the mens rights movement?
/r/MensRights15/07/25 09:55 PM
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I refuse to entertain discussions in PMs because having them in public is far more useful. If you convince someone in a PM, you convince one person. In public, even if you don't convince that person, you still show others what the problems with the argument is.
/r/MensRights15/07/25 01:43 PM
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Almost all men who commit suicide have sought help at least once prior to doing so.
/r/MensRights15/07/25 12:03 PM
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Almost all men who commit suicide have sought help at least once prior to doing so.
/r/MensRights15/07/25 12:03 PM
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However, this manipulation of statistics to fit an idea Where is the manipulation? Over 90% of the prison population are male. Some of those people are innocent, and that makes for far more innocent men in prison than innocent women in prison. If we're talking about accusations of sex crimes, where I'm at women are legally immune to accusations of rape under the Sexual Offences Act. As such, only men can be falsely accused of rape, because only men can be accused of rape at all. Can you explain …
/r/MensRights15/07/25 05:52 AM
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She was laughing at the idea that the suicide epidemic was serious enough to warrant discussion. That is laughing at suicide. Looking at your other replies, I wonder if you're genuine about having a discussion, and not just looking for ways to downplay mens issues.
/r/MensRights15/07/25 05:47 AM
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Loneliness is not predominantly male by any metric I suspect you aren't measuring. I think that suicide is a choice One that is predominantly male. Way to downplay the problem. And homelessness sucks for everyone Agrees. Though 75% of homeless people are men. It's fair to call it a male issue. Again, it looks like you're trying to downplay the issue. Western North America its more a decision for young able bodied men to stay homeless. They prefer it. Wow. So much compassion. Didn't you just say …
/r/MensRights15/07/25 05:45 AM
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I think you're missing the point, getting hung up on race when I'm talking about gender. Whatever black people go through, the statistics show that women do tend to have it easier - for instance, of the black people in university, most of them are women. The point is that gaps that we agree show black people to be disadvantaged have similar or greater gender gaps showing women to be advantaged. Feminists will tie themselves in knots trying to explain, for example, how longer prison sentences for…
/r/MensRights15/07/25 05:38 AM
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You'd have to be apart of the whole white chocolate wars And people say we don't have any legitimate issues.
/r/MensRights14/07/25 08:38 AM
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I wonder what the stats are on that. Especially considering that rape is often defined as requiring penetrative sex organs (in the UK, only cisgendered men can be charged with rape under the Sexual Offences Act).
/r/MensRights14/07/25 05:36 AM
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To be fair the situation is more like. Trans guy makes a post about how trans men have problems and how trans woman don't really have said problems and taking away attention from trans issues. Are transmen not trans? Transmen's issues are trans issues, as well as mens issues. Literally no one was trying to deminsh the issues of trans men in the sub You just said that he was raking away attention from trans issues by talking about transmen's issues.
/r/MensRights14/07/25 04:35 AM
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What other classes in history have controlled more wealth than they produce?
/r/MensRights14/07/25 04:28 AM
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All are predominantly male.
/r/MensRights14/07/25 04:24 AM
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Feminist politician Jess Philips MP famously laughed at the idea of having a parliamentary debate on male suicide. You don't have to go far to find people commenting on, say, the male loneliness epidemic with words to the effect of "these men are losers, that's why they're lonely".
/r/MensRights14/07/25 04:23 AM
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Given that circa 90% of the prison population are men, and that necessarily there are a greater than zero number of innocent people there, it's probably fair to say that false accusations happening to women are likely an outlier.
/r/MensRights14/07/25 04:18 AM
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Fair point. What are the gender gaps in those areas elsewhere? I know they're similar in the UK.
/r/MensRights14/07/25 04:11 AM
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It would be helpful to know what you mean, to confirm this.
/r/MensRights13/07/25 01:48 PM
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And women can cave sex with whoever, married or no, and it isn't rape under any circumstances. Just like in the West.
/r/MensRights13/07/25 11:45 AM
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What I often say when people try to portray brown countries as less moral than white countries due to how they treat their women is: Have you measured the rights and obligations for men? For instance: a man forces sex on his wife and it's not rape unless XYZ? A woman can force sex on anyone, and it's not rape *under any circumstances, just like over here. Genital mutilation? Illegal for women, routine and legal for boys, just like over here. Girls can't get an education, but they're entitled to …
/r/MensRights13/07/25 08:59 AM
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And see if one can't find any that ignore the statistics for men is supported by evidence (looking at you, wage gap) was fixed a generation or more ago point to predominantly brown countries, painting brown people as immoral.
/r/MensRights13/07/25 06:18 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women.
/r/MensRights13/07/25 06:11 AM
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Could be worse. We don't currently have the draft or the death penalty, so that's something.
/r/MensRights08/07/25 01:10 PM
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Feminists have an "interesting" track record on fighting for equality.
/r/MensRights08/07/25 10:38 AM
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Well, they don't think of sex all day like us. You don't speak for men. Especially when you claimed that men were genetically pedophiles in the comments to this post. I have to wonder if this is you trying to normalise your own predilictions.
/r/MensRights08/07/25 10:17 AM
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Characterising men as paedophiles to justify banning all of them from certain career paths might play a factor too.
/r/MensRights08/07/25 10:14 AM
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Thank you for confirming that you support gendering negative labels regardless of innocence. On the linked thread you support banning those 99% of men (who are innocent) on the basis that they might be pedophiles. That's characterising men as pedophiles.
/r/MensRights07/07/25 06:44 AM
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The right wing is a place where you actually feel welcome as a man rather than being seen as a genetic abomination unlike the left. You claimed that men were genetically pedophiles in the comments to this post. As the self proclaimed "worlds biggest MRA", how do you square this circle?
/r/MensRights06/07/25 10:56 PM
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You support characterising men as pedophiles as justification to keep them out of childcare careers.
/r/MensRights06/07/25 10:47 PM
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Pedophile
/r/MensRights06/07/25 10:46 PM
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I low-key feel that there is some sort of conspiracy to kick out men from white collar jobs into shitty blue collar and manual labor jobs, where they will break their back while their taxes are further diverted towards women. I thought you were in favour of keeping men out of certain fields, on the basis that they're pedophiles.
/r/MensRights06/07/25 10:45 PM
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You keep shifting the goalposts from demanding "a few" examples of misogyny (which I provided) I see no links. Only claims. to now claiming it's about racial gaps and framing gender as a zero-sum oppression Olympics. The race data was in response to your claim that women have it harder than men on average. The statistics show that women in fact have it easier on average. You don’t prove that men are oppressed just by pointing to selective stats; you prove that statistics can be misrepresented wh…
/r/MensRights06/07/25 07:42 AM
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I agree with what most of you said especially about female abuse etc being underreported etc but that doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of paedos are male. Are you aware that underreporting may skew the data? Kind of like how defining rape as something only men can do may lead to the "evidence" that mort rapists are male? Its a bit like banning immigration from some countries because some of their citizens present a legitimate terrorist threat even though it means discriminating aga…
/r/MensRights06/07/25 06:25 AM
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The way the MRA’s on here brushing off a hundreds of kids being molested and potentially infected with stds as if it’s no big deal just shows how they are willing to put ideology before pragmatism and public safety. I Can you link to any examples of this? Or are you making things up, strawmanning to make your justification of vilifying men sound reasonable by comparison?
/r/MensRights06/07/25 06:21 AM
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This is a reddit thread, not an academic institution. You expect me to copy and paste every misogynistic thing I didn't ask for every one. A few to get a sense of what has got the bee in your bonnet would suffice. If you're going to make truth claims, back them up. Your source is a link to a different reddit post in this sub With sources for each slide. Just because they're compiled in a reddit post doesn't make the sources less valid. to compare "discrimination" faced by men to racism faced by …
/r/MensRights06/07/25 05:19 AM
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Here are some of my contributions to this sub: And yet you are still being called out for downplaying female-perpetrated sexual assault. Because you downplay female-perpetrated sexual assault, including that done to minors. Should you be exempt from accountability? Just because I've a difference of opinion does not make me any less of an MRA No, but contributing to the narrative that men are innately monstrous does. and free speech should be an integral part and foundation for this subreddit. Th…
/r/MensRights05/07/25 08:33 PM
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I've not said anything against Men's Rights. You claim that men are genetically rapists and child-molesters here but I personally don't believe there is plenty of evidence Even if there wasn't any barrier such as social and legal downplaying of female perpetrators, evidence wouldn't be enough for you until you "believe there is plenty of evidence". Who are you to be an authority on what is enough evidence? Oh yes, the self-proclaimed biggest MRA in the world.
/r/MensRights05/07/25 08:30 PM
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Whereas in the case of males and females are difference due to genetics, and unfortunately the people with these most paraphilic deviances are going to be male. What gene is present in men and not women that makes them child-rapists? I'm not defending treating men as a demographic of child abusers, and as you might have read in some of my other comments, I'm against the vilification of men as a whole like this. I'm afraid you're lying. You've said that banning men from a career is justified due …
/r/MensRights05/07/25 04:33 PM
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Point still stands. Is it surprising that the statistics show male perpetration when female perpetration is downplayed (and ignored, which is a part of that)?
/r/MensRights05/07/25 01:07 PM
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No , but it might be necessary to characterise people of that race as more inclined to criminality, if thats what the evidence inferred. Congratulations, you have justified Jim Crow laws. We're going in circles. You are justifying characterisation of men as monsters on the basisnof gender, resulting in exclusion from certain fields of work on the basis of gender. Flipping genders hasn't shown you the problem with that, substituting race only made you double down. There's ample response to how me…
/r/MensRights05/07/25 12:58 PM
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Downplaying female sexual abuse might be true but it doenst change the fact that men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators when it comes to child sex abuse. "Ignoring the possibility of female perpetrators might happen, but the overwhelming number of perpetrators we don't ignore are male! So accusing men of being rapists and pedopholes is justified" Stellar reasoning.
/r/MensRights05/07/25 12:42 PM
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their gender makes them far more likely to be a predator How about race? There's got to be a race demographic that commits more crimes like that, so it would be morally justified and necessary to characterise all people of that race as criminals, right?
/r/MensRights05/07/25 12:15 PM
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i think what you’re saying is that men shouldnt be singled out when women can also do bad things "Evil is gender neutral, and assigning it to a gender is wrong" is a good way to frame it. im arguing a gender correlation between males in childcare and sexual abuse rates When women sexually abuse, we are more inclined to ignore or downplay (like what you have done in this thread) if we recognise it at all. You're advocating pre-judging a group of people of crimes regardless boff inclination, based…
/r/MensRights05/07/25 12:13 PM
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This you defending characterising men as rapists and child molesters?
/r/MensRights05/07/25 12:09 PM
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Blaming all men isn’t the point at all. Theyre proposing a ban on men in that field on the basis that their gender makes them a predator. Does anyone else remember when feminists use "women weren't allowed to work!" as "evidence" for oppression, despite that being categorically untrue? These are just the ones who’ve been caught there’s possibly a lot more going around undetected. Such as women aided by systematic and social barriers to reporting and conviction. It’s not blaming men at all It's j…
/r/MensRights05/07/25 12:07 PM
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This you?
/r/MensRights05/07/25 06:22 AM
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Its like saying ban men from the armed forces because the perpetrators of war crimes have all been male. That is consistent with the logic you have presented.
/r/MensRights05/07/25 06:17 AM
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There is a difference between saying that most men are pedophile sex offenders or saying that the overwhelming majority (~95%+ or so maybe) of these offenders are male. And yet the plan being discussed isn't "keep pedophiles out of childcare", it's "bar men from childcare because men are pedophiles". That's why people here are disagreeing with you - you are defending treating a demographic as child abusers based on immutable characteristics. Would you do the same with, say, violent crime and rac…
/r/MensRights05/07/25 06:14 AM
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When did you stop abusing women and children?
/r/MensRights05/07/25 06:08 AM
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This isn't about misandry nor is it an attack on men, They're literally talking about barring men from an occupation on the basis that their gender is Predator. It looks like ignoring that takes a huge amount of effort on your part.
/r/MensRights05/07/25 06:08 AM
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This is most likely not going to happen, Beacuse it's not our job to do your homework for you. (I would agree that women have it harder than men on average Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black people privileged like men in general, or do men have it harder like black people?
/r/MensRights04/07/25 01:39 PM
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You're absolutely right (and therefore being downvoted). Persecution complex much? Are you wrong while ignoring evidence and asserting consistently that men are monstrous and women are weak? No! Surely not! These people who post sources and statistics are clearly filled with hatred for the truth! [Edit: lol, they just messaged me to tell me they're banned from the sub and that justifies their persecution complex!]
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:29 AM
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I'm a male advocate myself, but I do feel that it's completely fair to be more vary about men who are working in child care. "I'm a female advocate myself, but it's completely fair to be more wary about women who are working in child care". Yeah, still sounds like hate. It's completely fine to be more vary around males who are taking care of children and it is by no means discrimination or misandry. It's completely fine to assume that people of a certain demographic are dangerous and be cautious…
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:27 AM
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You regularly ignore evidence in favour of calling it delusional and reasserting that men are monstrous and women are victims. You are very much a part of the problem.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:25 AM
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When did you stop abusing children?
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:23 AM
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The woman you are defending didn't say "everyone", she singled out men as a demographic. You work in childcare, when did you stop abusing children? Or did you?
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:22 AM
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You don't recognise female perpetrators, and ignore evidence that contradicts your worldview that men are monstrous and women are victims. You wouldn't "have destroyed them" because you wouldn't have recognised them.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:21 AM
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You regularly ignore statistics presented to you when they contradict your deeply-held belief of male monstrosity and female weakness. Men are far more likely to sexually abuse kids. Wrong again.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:20 AM
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The lack of self-awareness in your comment is palpable.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:17 AM
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What legal rights do women lack that men have?
/r/MensRights03/07/25 09:13 AM
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Cool. What's presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. just to have you and everyone here give bogus crackpot opinions on what's misogynistic or not. Have you considered that maybe you're reading into things too much? Or perhaps misunderstanding? That's a hell of a lot better than the idea that you're outright misrepresenting someone else to discredit them.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 06:50 AM
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Do you remember the M&Ms analogy in response to "Not All Men"? Add to that Rape Culture conjecture, and you have a worldview where men are either rapists or happy to turn a blind eye and/or encourage and nornalise rape of women.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 05:39 AM
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Such as? Can you link to a few? It would be good to see what you're talking about, see if there's actually misogyny .
/r/MensRights03/07/25 05:29 AM
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I have known a man who was physically abused in his relationship, but I've known many women who have. You have known a man *who trusted you to share his vulnerability *. Given the dominant narrative that relational violence doesn't happen to men, and your continued insistence of women's weakness and mens monstrosity, is it surprising that abused men a) have trouble identifying their partners behaviour as abusive, and b) confide in you about it?
/r/MensRights03/07/25 05:27 AM
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Reject evidence, accept the holy word that backs up the opinion that men are monsters and women are weak. You must really hate women, as well as men.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 05:24 AM
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. I agree that in some middle eastern countries women live in oppression Have you measured the situation for men in order to make that comparison? A man can force sex on his wife and it's not rape unless XYZ? A woman can force sex on anyone and it's not rape under any circumstances, just like in the West. They mutilate girls genitals? They mutilate boys too, and it's entirely legal, just like know the West. They bam girls from education? Those girls are entitled to the support of men (just like …
/r/MensRights03/07/25 05:21 AM
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Say you don't measure both sides without saying you don't measure both sides.
/r/MensRights03/07/25 05:13 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black people privileged like men in general, or do men have it harder like black people?
/r/MensRights03/07/25 05:12 AM
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I guess it depends where you are. Thank you for conceding that women are at lower risk in any case.
/r/MensRights02/07/25 12:01 PM
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Are you aware that men make up 90+% of victims of violent crime?
/r/MensRights02/07/25 11:32 AM
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You have fewer legal protections there too.
/r/MensRights02/07/25 11:22 AM
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In that (assuming you and your mate are male and female respectively) you have fewer protections and are in a demographic that is at greater risk, yes. Is it so hard to understand? Are you that set on women being weak?
/r/MensRights02/07/25 11:16 AM
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Aah. So you're confusing strength with vulnerability. A cat is physically weaker than a bear. But if both are loose in a city, one is more likely to get shot - which is more vulnerable? As it happens, physical strength differences aren't as decisive a factor as you might think in terms of violence, considering that women who abuse tend to use weapons far more often. And that's not even considering the women whose weapon of choice is a telephone.
/r/MensRights02/07/25 07:30 AM
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Speak to that. How does evidence that men are disadvantaged compared to women not provide counterevidence that women are more vulnerable?
/r/MensRights02/07/25 07:28 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. It rather torpedos the idea that women are more vulnerable than men.
/r/MensRights02/07/25 04:51 AM
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It still feels a bit weird since common convention claims women are more likely to be victims of sexual coercion I hear you. Koss' study refers to male victims of female perpetrators as men who had sex "while ambivalent in their desires", in a paragraph where she justifies why she's only calling it rape when a man forces sex on a woman. It's "just not the same" when it happens to a man. but I'm not gonna argue against facts and research. I'm honestly very pleasantly surprised. No shade on you pe…
/r/MensRights01/07/25 09:44 PM
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I'm sorry are you for real? I pointed out that the stats are skewed in no small part due to feminist advocacy, making it harder to get accurate measures of whether sexual violence is gendered, then provided a link to an article showing that 50% of men report having "unwanted sex". Compared to Koss' 1-in-4 statistic (a product of very selective definition of rape to erase male victims and female perpetrators, and including sexual harassment - e.g., an unwanted come-on - in the same category), 1 i…
/r/MensRights01/07/25 07:57 PM
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significantly less risk of rape/assault ...thanks to the work of feminists like Mary Koss leading to forced sex from a woman to a man being classified as not-rape. As it happens, nearly half of men report having had "unwanted sex".
/r/MensRights01/07/25 04:22 PM
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Yes, you just did.
/r/MensRights01/07/25 07:51 AM
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i think I've seen him say stuff about only using women for sex. Not sure if it was him though So you're using an ad hominem based on what you're uncertain about, to discredit the idea that hate against men is wrong?
/r/MensRights01/07/25 06:57 AM
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"Not all feminists", but all of the ones in positions of power in media, academia, and law are like that. They don't represent you? Have you told them? If the vast majority of feminists condemn the hatred shown by the "radical minority", there should be plenty of evidence of pushback against, say, Mary Koss and her 1-in-4 stat, or the Duluth Model, or NOW lobbying against shared parenting instead of silence at best and outright support at worst. What's that? Crickets, and I'm a misogynist?
/r/MensRights01/07/25 06:55 AM
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Speak on that. What has that got to do with anything?
/r/MensRights01/07/25 06:50 AM
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It's a technique called Motte and Bailey. If you object to the outrageous argument, they've got the reasonable sounding thing to retreat to until you stop.
/r/MensRights27/06/25 01:19 PM
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Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. Until the adherent of the ideology remove this core belief, they won't be capable of sharing space. And if they do, without the core belief at what point would they no longer be called feminist?
/r/MensRights27/06/25 11:45 AM
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Nah, that's the chancellor of the exchequer. Superman was Riley Ried.
/r/MensRights27/06/25 10:58 AM
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A minor criticism is that I find them politically inconsistent at times. What do you mean by that?
/r/MensRights27/06/25 10:54 AM
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In Those Places Over There, mennare routinely generally mutilated and it's not illegal (just like over here). A man can force sex on his wife and it's not rape unless XYZ? A woman can force sex on anyone, and it's not rape *under any circumstances * (just like over here). Men are more likely to receive harsher criminal punishments than women, just like over here. Anyone that thinks Middle Eastern countries privilege men don't understand how deep the problem goes.
/r/MensRights22/06/25 11:07 PM
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You can't prove a negative. The burden of proof lies on the positive claim (i.e., "Patriarchy, in terms of feminist philosophy, is real and exists now"). Given that Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims, I'd say that puts the proposal into "Extraordinary Claim" territory, requiring extraordinary evidence. In fact, gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or great…
/r/MensRights22/06/25 07:27 PM
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Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. It has yet to be proven.
/r/MensRights21/06/25 05:50 AM
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there is a lot of flat out woman hate Shouldn't be too hard to provide examples. It would be good to know what you're referring to.
/r/MensRights18/06/25 05:29 PM
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If it's anything like where I am, you don't - accusation and hearsay are sufficient to show corroboration.
/r/MensRights17/06/25 07:24 AM
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Genital mutilation is legal for men in those places; women can force sex on people and not have it counted as rape, just like over here; men are obligated to financial upkeep of women, just like over here; sentencing gaps are huge, and men are disproportionately incarcerated or executed; male homosexuality is illegal, female homosexuality isn't recognised as existing. Add in blasphemy laws. Yup, vast improvement.
/r/MensRights17/06/25 07:22 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women. Are black men privileged, or are men disadvantaged?
/r/MensRights13/06/25 08:45 PM
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"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism. Right from the beginning, it's been about men as monsters, women as victims. It was always a hate group.
/r/MensRights13/06/25 08:05 PM
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Didn't you literally just say that pitting genders against eachother is a distraction from the real issues? Despite educational advancements, women still earn less than men at every education level. For instance, in 2024, women with bachelor's degrees earned 71% of what their male counterparts earned Correct. However, an interesting thing occurs: when you measure earnings while factoring in hours worked, additional benefits, sick leave, and job-type, the wage gap disappears. Women earn less than…
/r/MensRights13/06/25 05:53 PM
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You comment history seems to suggest you think that we blame women for the issues. I'm not quite sure how you get that, given that a lot of the criticism in this sub is towards the people in positions of power in media, academia, and the law. A clear contributing factor to mens issues is feminist philosophy and policy - Feminists fight to actively entrench societal gender disparities.
/r/MensRights13/06/25 03:46 PM
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But everything that isn't about creating a coalition to go against the top is really just a distraction. Which is why it really is upsetting having the genders pitted at each other Also you: Patriarchy Also you: the highest elites (98%) of them are men.
/r/MensRights13/06/25 10:46 AM
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The positive claim carries the burden of proof. What is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
/r/MensRights12/06/25 06:01 AM
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Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. Blaming women for your problems Where does that happen?
/r/MensRights12/06/25 06:00 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women.
/r/MensRights08/06/25 05:18 AM
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Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. To reform the ideology would require dropping it's central tenant, at which point it is no longer feminism. It would be like creating a new Christianity where they don't believe Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins on the Cross. You could call it Christianity, but it wouldn't be.
/r/MensRights05/06/25 09:00 AM
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A good first step is to call out the bad actors, rather than telling the people doing so that they're wrong to do so. They don't represent you? Great! Don't tell us, tell them.
/r/MensRights04/06/25 05:24 AM
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Just because some feminist are extremists doesn't make feminism (as we know from the definition the search for equality) bad Correct. However, basing a philosophy on the understanding that men have abused their closest emotional bonds for as long as civilisation exists and using that as the basis for understanding equality does. By hiding behind the dictionary definition and refusing to examine further, you're creating a situation where one cannot discuss anything to do with feminism. I hope one…
/r/MensRights04/06/25 05:22 AM
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Cool. Can you do something about the ones who are? There seem to be enough people claiming that most feminists are supportive of mens rights that surely the majority can do something about the feminists actively opposing equality.
/r/MensRights03/06/25 10:39 PM
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I'm less interested in dictionary definitions and more interested in what the philosophies preach and how its adherents act. Actions tell one an awful lot about beliefs. The definition of Patriarchy as you've given it is consistent with a sociological interpretation, but feminist Patriarchy conjecture is as I've laid out - society is male dominated, male dominance oppresses women, and while some men are harmed by it, society is set up to privilege mens' needs, drives, and interests. You can see …
/r/MensRights03/06/25 07:54 PM
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All forms of feminism, even the first wave as seen in the Declaration of Sentiments, take the following to be self-evident: Society is Male Dominated Male dominance privileges men over women While some men can sometimes be harmed by this system, the system itself is set up to privilege men and subjugate women for mens express benefit. Meaning that oppression of women is to mens' benefit and in their nature. Meaning men are innately inclined to oppress the people with whom they have their closest…
/r/MensRights03/06/25 07:48 PM
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Proof for my claim. (Now I was saying you but I didn't mean you specifically I meant men ...I dont know you.. I hope you know that) You're going to need to do better than that, I'm afraid. When "womens rights" is the buzzword used to take rights away from men, and further entrench gendered inequality, then it certainly looks like the people effected by that might be against "womens rights", where they are in fact against bigotry and class-warfare against them. Just because some are protesting th…
/r/MensRights03/06/25 12:02 PM
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all 3 of them are actually not taking away from men's rights but rather than that trying to preserve women's rights Can you explain, for instance, why allowing only women to spend time with their children in prison isn't keeping men from having equal rights with women? Or why only jailing men isn't a mens' rights issue? You can't take away rights you don't have. What these feminists are doing is preserving womens' legal privileges over men, such as immunity from accusations of rape, and preventi…
/r/MensRights03/06/25 10:48 AM
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Feminists fight to actively entrench societal gender disparities..
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:20 AM
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Beyond that, trying to bring up the length of your relationship as a means to put someone else down is just weird. Show your partner that piece specifically— the part where you say, “I’m better than other people due to my relationship’s length.” "Unlike the barbarians, I don't objectify women. Also, the prolonged exposure to the magic vagina juice brings me closer to God"
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:20 AM
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Do you have anything meaningful to contribute? I mean in this conversation specifically, though also in life in general.
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:18 AM
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*first
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:16 AM
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Want a movement that cares for men's rights? It's on you to make that happen. Feminists fight to actively entrench societal gender disparities..
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:14 AM
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I love a typically feminist flounce-and-bounce.
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:12 AM
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Feminism fights for equality by putting out fires on the female side of things, primarily. It's kind of in the name. Feminists fight to actively entrench societal gender disparities..
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:10 AM
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Women's rights advocacy and feminism are not synonymous. Further, feminists fight to actively entrench societal gender disparities.. The sub would be significantly less antifeminist if feminists weren't actively hostile to men and reform to bring about equality.
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:09 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gender gaps favouring women.
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:06 AM
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they fought for equality Have you read the Declaration of Sentiments? It was never about equality.
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:05 AM
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I think this subreddit is interesting since everyone seems to lump feminism into one big idea, "Look at the dictionary, feminism is about equality!" The main aim of radical feminism is the elimination of the patriarchy Oh wow, the very next sentence. Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims. Further, feminists fight to actively entrench societal gender disparities..
/r/MensRights03/06/25 06:00 AM
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Making small mercies seem like a big deal is classic abuser behaviour.
/r/MensRights03/06/25 05:55 AM
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Where was it said otherwise?
/r/MensRights03/06/25 05:53 AM
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Respond with curiosity. After you. which seems to be the only emotion patriarchy allows men to feel Feminist Patriarchy doesn't exist. It's predicated on mens' innate monstrosity and womens' weakness, taking as self evident: Society is Male Dominated Male dominance privileges men over women While some men can sometimes be harmed by this system, the system itself is set up to privilege men and subjugate women for mens express benefit. Meaning that oppression of women is to mens' benefit and in th…
/r/MensRights30/05/25 10:26 AM
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No counterpoint? Just stats based on a legal standard that rape requires penetrative sex organs (therefore skewing results) and claims to know the extent of what isn't measured, and vague claims of "lived experience", which you would dismiss in a heartbeat if it contradicted your prejudices.
/r/MensRights30/05/25 10:06 AM
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Men should talk about their feelings when it helps them off the ledge But not when someone hijacks a man's assault to talk about how men are the enemy, and how messed up that is. Cool. This feels just like men getting angry because it’s the main emotion they have been programmed to feel. Anger is a perfectly reasonable response to injustice. You don't get to invalidate anyone's feelings, especially while claiming to support men talking about theirs.
/r/MensRights30/05/25 10:01 AM
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The fact that this sub is so triggered really says a lot. Also you: "If the dreaded feminists ruled the world, men would be allowed to cry, hug each other, talk about their emotions." So what, should men talk about their feelings, or should they only talk about them when it validates you?
/r/MensRights30/05/25 09:04 AM
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I agree with your assessment of my first comment. That’s exactly what I’m doing. Classy. Say, would you object to any given instance of women being attacked being hijacked into diatribes about how women sometimes say things that hurt men's feelings? I dunno what “beard tears…” or any of those things mean. Sounds like something you guys made up. You've honestly never heard a feminist use any of the terms? Third point. You’re 100 percent correct. When I think about what masculinity would look like…
/r/MensRights30/05/25 09:02 AM
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"Woman tries to kill man, better make this about women's victimhood and men's monstrosity!"
/r/MensRights30/05/25 07:59 AM
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This doesn’t have to be an all or nothing game. Says the person using a man's attempted murder to talk about how hard it is for women to be asked what they were wearing. If the dreaded feminists ruled the world, men would be allowed to cry, hug each other, talk about their emotions. Beard tears, man-feelz, crybaby MRAs, and so on. Toxic masculinity is caused by the patriarchy. If you could separate toxicity from masculinity, what would be left that's not a gender neutral trait? What positive tra…
/r/MensRights30/05/25 07:52 AM
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In the US around 70 percent of sexual abuse goes unreported. How can this be measured, as telling a researcher, necessarily, is a report? Further, there's an assumption here that "sexual abuse" means male perpetrator. If this is to be used to indicate mens monstrosity and women's victimhood, what are the stats for female perpetrators? Bear I'm mind that in many places women are exempt from accusations of rape and sexual violence is often defined as something a man does (including in the UK where…
/r/MensRights30/05/25 07:49 AM
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And nobody ever uses a weapon when they're angry, such as throwing the contents of the kitchen at the target, or grabbing a knife. You're also ignoring the social/legal aspect - police are much more likely to see the 6'7" man as a threat than as a victim, and vice versa for the 4'8" woman.
/r/MensRights30/05/25 04:48 AM
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The first wave that brought us "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyrranny over her", the Tender Years Doctrine, and the establishment of women as a citizen class that don't pay for their voting rights? The second wave that brought us the Duluth model, and Mary Koss' rape definition? All forms of feminism are predicated on the presumption of male monstrosity and female…
/r/MensRights27/05/25 05:54 PM
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There's not really much of an argument. "still had a pretty positive upvote ratio" could be "had one upvote" for all we know, and the comment has been removed so we've no way of checking. Is your argument that a comment with more than zero points means the community is hateful? It does, however, send a clear message: if you post hate, that hate will be removed. It's not tolerated. Thank you, though, for conceding that the evidence doesn't really matter to you.
/r/MensRights27/05/25 03:22 PM
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If the comments remained, you would use that as evidence of horrendous sexism (and indeed did prior to their removal), and now they're removed that's still evidence. Looks like you have an agenda.
/r/MensRights27/05/25 03:10 PM
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As for who she was on a personal level, Don't forget the time she worked for a literal Nazi propaganda outlet after being sacked from her job as a teacher for procuring children for threesomes with her and Jean-Paul Satre.
/r/MensRights27/05/25 03:07 PM
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And the fact those comments are removed speaks volumes about how true the claims of misogyny about the community are.
/r/MensRights27/05/25 03:04 PM
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no one actually thinks this is ok. Wrong.
/r/MensRights27/05/25 02:22 PM
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oh wait, there are several scientifically validated methods, and a myriad of research on this exact question from all over the world which all reaches the same conclusion. Great, so you shouldn't have any trouble - no i'm not going to cite and summarise it for you Oh. Oh well, what is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. go ask chat gpt. Ah yes, the famously reliable font of knowledge. Do you really need the robot to cite your sources for you? It's really easy, lots of p…
/r/MensRights27/05/25 02:19 PM
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No, it's just that users like yourself tend to assume that anything they don't like on the Internet comes from a man unless otherwise proven.
/r/MensRights27/05/25 10:00 AM
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Positive claims have the burden of proof. Consider that there are communities where "there's probably no God" is considered "extraordinary", while the claim that God exists is in fact the extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence. Since any measurement necessarily requires reports, the claim that most domestic violence goes unreported cannot be proven. As such, you have no idea how many go unreported, let alone whether it's "most".
/r/MensRights27/05/25 09:59 AM
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How do you know they're men? Or are you assuming they're men because you disagree with them?
/r/MensRights27/05/25 07:51 AM
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Actually, "most episodes of male DV go unreported" is the positive claim, thus bearing the burden of proof (i.e, "the quantity of domestic violence committed by men far exceeds reports"). Where is the evidence for that?
/r/MensRights27/05/25 07:50 AM
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It would tickle me pink if a significant part of his viewer-count was researchers trying to determine how influential he is.
/r/MensRights26/05/25 06:54 AM
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And nobody ever lies on the Internet?
/r/MensRights24/05/25 05:30 AM
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Stop treating women as a monolith too, I guess. You treat men as a monolith. Despite being one - I wonder, are you as horrible a person as you're claiming men as a group are, or are you one of The Good Ones who Aren't Like That?
/r/MensRights24/05/25 04:58 AM
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Yes you are. Another bold claim too - can you evidence that women, generally, have been set on fire for "choosing their words poorly" for decades? And if this is true, can you explain why this makes it right to do to men? Surely it's either wrong for both or right for both.
/r/MensRights24/05/25 04:50 AM
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Now do homeless, suicides, incarcerated, and unemployed. All you've done is demonstrate that men, given power, would rather help women than harm them.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 08:17 PM
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You know people on this site can read, right?
/r/MensRights23/05/25 08:11 PM
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I knew this race-baiting comment would pop up lol. Because you're a racist. You already indicated as such when you cited non-white cultures as being less moral.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 07:35 PM
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Can you please explain why granting women legal immunity to rape is needful?
/r/MensRights23/05/25 07:31 PM
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You said he provoked her, and that it was his fault.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 07:31 PM
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I am all empathetic for the dude who got burnt Even if he was totally asking for it.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 05:13 PM
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So it's fair to say that you support violence, but only if women commit it against men. Charming.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 05:10 PM
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Even if these 2 were in a relationship, I still wouldn’t accept her ghastly violence at all. Yes, you would and did. After all, he was asking for it!
/r/MensRights23/05/25 05:09 PM
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How can you tell who's a woman and who's not on Reddit?
/r/MensRights23/05/25 05:07 PM
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Are you aware that a woman can force sex on whomever they like even if they're not married to them, or if the male is a child and still have it not classed as rape? If tolerance of marital rape is proof of oppression, then the fact that rape laws exclusively target men should be pretty clear evidence of privilege.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 05:05 PM
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Really? You've never encountered a feminist saying "Women didn't even have the right to vote until 100 years ago" as evidence of Patriarchy?
/r/MensRights23/05/25 05:04 PM
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Majority of the violence in this world is done by men. There’s a reason people are told to be wary of a lone, toxic dude who is creepy lol. The majority of violent crimes in the US is committed by black people. Would it be fair to say that one should be ware of African-Americans, or is that an example of a systematic bias?
/r/MensRights23/05/25 05:02 PM
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think many countries in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa Predominantly non-white countries. Is it fair to say that the feminist take is that whites are just more moral? Assuming, of course, that mistreatment of women is immoral. I’m generalizing, but women are routinely set in fire, beaten, honor killings, and so on. Many don’t make the news. As are men. If you wanna erase the taboo of men being beaten by women, rally and raise awareness. And ignore the feminists that oppose us, sometimes viole…
/r/MensRights23/05/25 05:00 PM
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And don’t worry. These comments are satirical at most. Very few women on this planet will jump outta the bushes and attack you. Would you say the same for online communities talking about committing violence against women?
/r/MensRights23/05/25 03:59 PM
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rather than invoking what some feminists did multiple years ago. People did random shit. And yet feminists will still use voting rights as an example of the system currently being oppressive to women.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 03:42 PM
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Would it be fair to say that you support violence against women, even attempted murder, if they choose their words poorly?
/r/MensRights23/05/25 03:39 PM
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Men defending marital rape …… Prove it. You have a habit of making outlandish statements without giving any evidence for them.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 03:38 PM
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Feminist Ways of Knowing.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 03:36 PM
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Sorry. I forgot semantics was an issue and your ego shouldn’t be hurt. Personal insults. Hit nerves, have we? Regardless, evidence? Because in many cultures Which ones? Go ahead and name them. woman-beating is still justified if the woman provokes a man when he’s angry This you? In any case, the idea that this means women are oppressed and men are privileged would only hold if violence against men was considered taboo and violence against women was not.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 03:29 PM
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most men get away with domestic violence Wow. That's an extraordinary claim. I hope you have the requisite extraordinary evidence to back it up, whether you mean "most men" or "most men who commit domestic violence".
/r/MensRights23/05/25 02:35 PM
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I’ve given you multiple reasons above, and you’re still being clueless. No, you've made statements unbacked by anything. There are so many underage girls who became mothers due to rape, and they have to financially support themselves too. Nobody’s helping them. Except the child support payments. Though thank you for acknowledging that being forced into parent responsibilities is something that happens to men (and boys).
/r/MensRights23/05/25 02:25 PM
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But society, largely run by men at the time, chose to keep women out of those roles. Thank you for conceding that men, given power, would rather help women than men. It does rather torpedo the idea that women were oppressed by the system, the stated raison d'être for Feminism.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 02:09 PM
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most men didn’t have universal voting rights either, And those that did were still required to submit to civil and military conscription. Feminists weren’t trying to avoid responsibility; they were demanding a seat at the table where the laws affecting them were made. They resisted female conscription as a payment for the vote. The conscription that was justified for men as payment for their citizenship rights. I'm sorry, I get that you want to All Sides Matter this, but sometimes there are bad …
/r/MensRights23/05/25 01:40 PM
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In the UK, full equal voting rights came in 1928. That’s not a “simplified” view, it’s just historically accurate. The right to vote had always been tied to civil and military conscription. The (male-only) draft ended in 1969, and therefore men received equal voting rights to women (who had the right to vote without having to pay for it in conscription). What you said was not historically accurate.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 01:37 PM
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I’m not saying every woman is a feminist or that every feminist is a woman. But you did respond to a remark about feminists with "have you talked to many women". While you haven't explicitly conflated the two, you did equate them. Yeah, there are extreme feminists. There are extreme MRAs too. The problem is that the extreme feminists are the ones in media, academia, and the law.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 01:35 PM
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If that's true (and you haven't provided any reason to think it is), de-gendering the definition of rape won't make a difference. Remember, if a woman forces sex on anyone, including children, it's not called Rape, so the "correct" answer to a lot of your questions are "zero, because they're legally incapable of it". We live in a world where a man raped as a child is expected to finance his rapist's baby.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 12:33 PM
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The higher proportion of people committing SA and rape are men. Thanks to feminist researchers like Mary Koss, the definition of rape is skewed to erase female perpetrators of forced sex. In the UK, it requires the perpetrator to be a cisgendered man, referring directly to "his penis".
/r/MensRights23/05/25 08:17 AM
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If men don’t wanna be dads, use protection. Would you have the same attitude to women re: abortion? Besides, many men do use protection, and still don't have a say on whether they have parental responsibilities.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 08:15 AM
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You're conflating feminism with women. They are not the same. Besides, you're erasing male feminists and female antifeminists.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 08:10 AM
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I get the point you’re making, but I think that framing oversimplifies history. This coming from the "women didn't even have the vote until 100 years ago" guy.
/r/MensRights23/05/25 08:04 AM
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The first big victory of feminism was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship: one whose right to vote was free, and the other whose right to vote was dependent on civil and military conscription. If we were to be morbid and measure causes in martyrs, a look at a war memorial will show a partial list of men who died for their vote, and even then some of those were too young to vote, but old enough to be conscripted. In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963 when the draft was …
/r/MensRights23/05/25 08:02 AM
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Wrong subreddit, I think.
/r/MensRights19/05/25 02:15 PM
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No counterpoint, I see, just insults and "nah", and you call orhers observations "weak arguments". The irony is palpable. Looking through your post history, you seem to be coming to bat for a lot of sexual predators, do long as they're women. Maybe you should examine that.
/r/MensRights19/05/25 06:55 AM
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Please explain how the claim that a person having power over another person to the tune of them literally living in a cage weakens possibility to consent to sex for the latter is a weak argument. In so doing you may also be advocating in favour of teachers raping children, doctors raping patients, and similar.
/r/MensRights18/05/25 10:46 PM
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hardly the definition of duress He lives in a cage and the woman had the power to make his life far worse on a whim. Would you also defend people who have sex with minors if the minor claims it's consentual? Or would the power imbalance inherent in the relationship make it predatory?
/r/MensRights18/05/25 08:24 PM
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When one party is in a cage and the other holds the key, who has more power in that situation? When the party with the key has the power to make the other's life even worse on a whim, who has more power in that situation? Again, she was in fact punished The man in the cage having sex under an innately coercive situation got two further years because the member of staff couldn't exercise her power responsibly. She got a deferred sentence and was merely removed from the situation where she might r…
/r/MensRights18/05/25 07:47 AM
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I thought that was an abusive generalisation.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:46 PM
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Yes, at a time where men got the paycheck of their spouse, ...in the service of his legal obligation to her welbeing, up until the Married Womens Property Act removed the right but kept the obligation were allowed to vote while women couldn’t ...and forced to pay for it with conscription while women weren't where the age of consent was at 10 for women and where rape was so predominant and where the laws was really light on it Prove it. I dare you to say black people weren’t dominated by white pe…
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:45 PM
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It’s a fallacy because it shift the blame of a minority toward the majority by basing it on a characteristic that isn’t inherent with the issue. All forms of feminism cleave to Patriarchy. That's not fallacious. Patriarchy mean men are in charge. But it doesn’t mean men have all the rights and privileges Tell Feminists. Both suffer in patriarchy ...as covered in proposition 3 of the points I provided. The document you’re referring was written at a time where women couldn’t even have a paycheck, …
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:42 PM
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Except that no, it isn’t based on any kind of superiority, if not equality for all. "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Declaration of Sentiments, first wave feminism.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 04:38 PM
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That's the first time I've ever been described as "abusive" for pointing out a fact. Can you describe feminist patriarchy conjecture in a way that doesn't mean that society is male dominated, oppresses women, and privileges mens' needs, drives, and interests? Because the discourse on male privilege, "boys clubs", "glass ceiling" and the like demonstrate that this is what feminists believe. And that's before getting into the mire that is the "women didn't have any rights throughout history" femin…
/r/MensRights13/05/25 04:35 PM
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You mean providing evidence against the "Women Are Wonderful" effect?
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:19 AM
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How do you know they're men? Further, can you explain why providing counterpoint, often with sources, is "woman hating"? Is it because your feelings are hurt, and you are equating conflict with abuse?
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:18 AM
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How about feminists in halls of power? MPs, senators, legislators, academics, etc? How about feminist media outlets, influential groups and individials? Can you really think of nobody?
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:16 AM
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Here's a list of sources of feminists "advocating for equality"
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:14 AM
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One could say that "white rights" is egalitarian, because its not a zero sum game and the name doesn't matter. It's all about rights!
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:12 AM
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Every shared parenting reform has been opposed by feminists characterising them as forcing women to give children to abusers, despite these reforms often being default rebuttable shared custody. Feminist researcher Mary Koss' work on generating the definition of rape is the basis of many countries legal definition thereof, including the UK where its defined as something someone does with "his penis" in the Sexual Offences Act. The feminist deluth model was created to "correct" the data showing g…
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:10 AM
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Good luck doing that in feminist spaces.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:04 AM
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How do you explain the idea of male dominance, female oppression, "boys clubs" and similar?
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:03 AM
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Voting The first big victory of feminism was the establishment of a two-tier citizenship: one whose right to vote was free, and the other whose right to vote was dependent on civil and military conscription. If we were to be morbid and measure causes in martyrs, a look at a war memorial will show a partial list of men who died for their vote, and even then some of those were too young to vote, but old enough to be conscripted. In the UK, men and women got equal voting rights in 1963 when the dra…
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:02 AM
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All forms of feminism are predicated on the presumption of male monstrosity and female weakness. It's more than male power, it's the claim that men use that power to hurt the people with whom they have their closest emotional bonds.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 04:52 AM
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All forms of feminism are predicated on the presumption of male monstrosity and female weakness. In this way, feminist Patriarchy conjecture diverges wildly from the anthropological use of the term, though that doesn't stop feminists from trying to appropriate the terms legitimacy when challenged.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 04:50 AM
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Mens rights advocacy is the noun of the verb (advocacy -> to advocate). Feminism is an ideology that is predicated on the presumption of male monstrosity and female weakness. The correct counterpart to mens rights advocacy is women's rights advocacy, which is also a noun of the verb and doesn't necessarily carry the baggage of the aforementioned hate movement.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 04:48 AM
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Have you tried telling this to feminists? Rather than trying to get mens advocates to stop opposing the groups that actively perpetuate gender gaps they claim to oppose, have you tried attempting to clean your own house, ideologically speaking? Edit: misread your comment. Sorry about that!
/r/MensRights13/05/25 04:45 AM
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All forms of feminism are predicated on the presumption of male monstrosity and female weakness. You can see this is present even in the declaration of sentiments, way back in the first wave.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 04:42 AM
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Unfortunately, as long as they still cleave to Patriarchy conjecture, all forms of feminism are predicated on the presumption of male monstrosity and female weakness.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 04:36 AM
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All forms of feminism are predicated on the presumption of male monstrosity and female weakness.
/r/MensRights10/05/25 06:26 AM
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It indicates the priorities of those feminists. 1) women are victims, men are monsters. 2) if men are demonstrably worse off than women in an area, men are still monsters. It's about demonising men and keeping women presenting as weak. That's why they use this line of argument, and why they have a lot of trouble even acknowledging non-feminist women.
/r/MensRights05/05/25 07:45 AM
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Same as number of alleged unreported cases. An interesting thing happens if you pair "90%of rapes go unreported" with "1 in 5 women are raped in their lifetime". If only 10% of rapes are reported, then the 1 in 5 represents only 10% of rapes (as telling a researcher/survey is also a report). So 20% of women make up 10% of rape victims. Multiply that by 10 to get the "real" number, and you get 200% of women are raped in their lifetimes. Twice as many women as there are women on earth are victims.…
/r/MensRights23/04/25 09:50 AM
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Bachelors Taxes aren't anything new. As tax rates often vary with marital status, it's arguably still a thing in many places (albeit implicit rather than overt).
/r/MensRights22/04/25 12:53 PM
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In my vocab "a lot" does not mean a majority, but a significant amount (by feel 10-40%?). Excellent, we're getting somewhere. Can you prove this? If someone said "a lot of Muslims are terrorists", it would be pretty clear that they're trying to generalise Muslims as terrorists. Do you not agree that in the ranks in men right activists are extremist people that are here just to hate women? I've no doubt that there are a non-zero number of people who spread hate. It's not unheard of for people to …
/r/MensRights22/04/25 08:08 AM
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I have never said there is only hate-style activist, just that they are here and they are usually loud "a lot of male right activists are more motivated by hate" Also you ask for example and then you quote me with said example I provided. (About abortions) You didn't link to an example. You made one up - unless you can prove otherwise. You want to stop people from drinking alcohol (its literally posion damaging our bodies and minds ). "Just listen to people. Do they want solutions or they want t…
/r/MensRights22/04/25 07:51 AM
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How did I figure that out? Just see what type of policies are being supported. Such as? If it's as prevalent as you seem to think you shouldn't have trouble linking to examples. Also I have never said that people who disagree with me are automatically wrong. No, just that people will disagree with you for "preaching nonhate". So it's not that they're automatically wrong, just pro-hate. Is hate correct? Or at least not automatically wrong? they want to cause pain coz they feel pain? Are you a min…
/r/MensRights22/04/25 07:15 AM
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As with feminist a lot of male right activists are more motivated by hate. How do you figure that? So if you are preaching nonhate people will disagree with you. Dismissing disagreement as "haters" closes one off to legitimate disagreement. "People who disagree with me are hateful" isn't an argument, it's often delusion.
/r/MensRights22/04/25 06:08 AM
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than try to influence the democratic party How do you propose to do that?
/r/MensRights22/04/25 06:04 AM
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Thank you for acknowledging that feminists are more concerned about demonising men than helping victims of violence.
/r/MensRights20/04/25 10:18 AM
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Seems there's data that shows that women perpetrate slightly more.
/r/MensRights20/04/25 10:18 AM
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So no evidence, just blowhardery. Tracks.
/r/MensRights17/04/25 01:38 PM
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"Reading comprehension", I do enjoy the irony. Rather than restating the case as if it proves anything, can you back up what you're saying with evidence?
/r/MensRights17/04/25 01:33 PM
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Gonna need some evidence for this.
/r/MensRights17/04/25 01:22 PM
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It's at +8 upvotes at the time of my posting this.
/r/MensRights11/04/25 05:58 PM
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I am too. Did you know that under UK law women are incapable of committing rape because its defined as a thing a person does with "his penis" under the Sexual Offences act? When a petition to gender neutralise the law to recognise male victims of female perpetrators got a response from parliament, the response was "we don't need to do this as most rapists are male", despite the truth being that, due to the law as written, all rapists are male. As for whether you "should" or "shouldn't" have comm…
/r/MensRights09/04/25 06:10 AM
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Such as? If it's as prevelant as you claim, you shouldn't have trouble linking some.
/r/MensRights08/04/25 09:58 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gaps favouring women. Are black people privileged like men as a wider group, or are men disadvantaged like black people?
/r/MensRights08/04/25 09:57 AM
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Gaps showing black people to be a disadvantaged group in the US have comparable or greater gaps favouring women. Are black people privileged like men as a wider group, or are men disadvantaged like black people?
/r/MensRights08/04/25 09:54 AM
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Good chat.
/r/MensRights06/04/25 03:42 PM
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I asked you a different question, to highlight the problem with your point. Reading comprehension 101.
/r/MensRights06/04/25 01:20 PM
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Can you link to where I said that? Why are men killing and assaulting men at a higher rate than they do to women? Besides, what's wrong with asking for evidence that "many" men hate women?
/r/MensRights06/04/25 01:17 PM
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Can you give examples?
/r/MensRights30/03/25 11:20 PM
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Right but let’s think about the thousands of years of violence towards women. Men are over 90% of the victims of violent crimes. If your response to this, as it has been to other comments is "but who is attacking them? Other men!", then thank you for conceding that men would rather attack men than women. The lack of rights they had I already went through a bunch of rights men lack and women have. What rights do women lack that men have? No right to vote Men also lacked the vote for most of histo…
/r/MensRights29/03/25 06:39 AM
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Prove it.
/r/MensRights29/03/25 06:15 AM
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How comfortable do you feel being openly emotional around women? Have you ever hidden pain from a woman to not appear weak? Prove that men predominantly uphold the stereotypes. You may well find that it's not a gendered phenomenon.
/r/MensRights28/03/25 11:18 PM
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So you're going to accuse not just the community bit per the title of the post the entire male gender of hatred, with zero evidence, based on your feelings, and expect to be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights28/03/25 11:13 PM
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Prove it.
/r/MensRights28/03/25 11:07 PM
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Links to examples of the Hate you believe is common here. If it's as prevalent as you claim, it shouldn't be hard to find.
/r/MensRights28/03/25 11:05 PM
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Created? I'd love to see the evidence of that.
/r/MensRights28/03/25 11:03 PM
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Evidence?
/r/MensRights28/03/25 11:01 PM
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Can you provide examples (I.e., links) of the hate you refer to? It would be good to know what we're talking about.
/r/MensRights28/03/25 10:57 PM
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Hence the advocacy.
/r/MensRights28/03/25 10:49 PM
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If a couple have sex, and the woman doesn't want to be a parent, she has the following options (many of which can be done unilaterally without including the partner in the decision): caps or diaphragms combined pill condoms contraceptive implant contraceptive injection contraceptive patch female condoms IUD (intrauterine device or coil) IUS (intrauterine system or hormonal coil) natural family planning (fertility awareness) progestogen-only pill vaginal ring If any of those fail, she (currently)…
/r/MensRights28/03/25 10:45 PM
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Why conflate women with feminism? It erases male feminists and female antifeminists, and wrongly portrays antifeminism as misogynistic. All forms of feminism are based on Patriarchy conjecture, which has some pretty awful implications when you examine what needs to be true for it to be valid. The track record of feminists isn't particularly great for a lot of mens' issues, with feminists often entrenching already problematic disparities in law and policy. For example. Presumed custody of childre…
/r/MensRights28/03/25 10:16 PM
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They only complain you say, is this post not complaining? Are you too not complaining? That is what I am referring to. "You're complaining, and you should stop". So I'll ask again: how do you propose not talking about things being helpful? calling women nazis right? Feminists are not synonymous with women. When you equate the term, you erase all male feminists and female non-feminists, and try to make antifeminism (a stance opposed to a provable hate group) to misogyny.
/r/MensRights25/03/25 12:14 PM
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Like reforming domestic violence, where investigation, reporting, and resources are skewed because of the feminist Duluth model. Or reforming rape law to include male victims, that are based on the research of feminist researcher Mary Koss. Or parenting rights, which are routinely lobbied against by feminist organisations. Definitely none of those will be shut down as "you're all just attacking feminism".
/r/MensRights25/03/25 11:58 AM
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Can you tell me how not talking about mens' issues helps resolve mens' issues?
/r/MensRights25/03/25 11:56 AM
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All forms of feminism are based on Patriarchy conjecture, which has some pretty awful implications when you examine what needs to be true for it to be valid. As for rights, what rights do women lack and men have? For comparison, a few rights that women have and men lack are: Presumed custody of children in the case of divorce. This was exacerbated by the Tender Years Doctrine, spearheaded by first-wave feminist Caroline Norton, and perpetuated by modern feminists through lobbying groups' efforts…
/r/MensRights25/03/25 11:45 AM
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Like reforming domestic violence, where investigation, reporting, and resources are skewed because of the feminist Duluth model. Or reforming rape law to include male victims, that are based on the research of feminist researcher Mary Koss. Or parenting rights, which are routinely lobbied against by feminist organisations. Yup. Nothing to do with feminism and feminists. Nope.
/r/MensRights25/03/25 11:41 AM
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"They". A person. And you believe this is indicative of the culture of the entire subreddit?
/r/MensRights27/02/25 10:56 AM
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OK, what about the commentary you are referring to in the OP? What are you referring to when you say "based on what i have heard from some of the people in here"?
/r/MensRights27/02/25 10:42 AM
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