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It was an objectively good debate thread (lots of eloquent points made on both sides, very little ad hominem). But damn was it overall depressing in terms of how absolutely immovable the men are the transgressors and need to be the ones who change mindset is. And even worse that the primary person advocating it---at least in that particular thread---was a man himself. Well, worse but in no way surprising.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/26 10:28 AM
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I'm little curious about how Barbarian is misandrist? I'm not arguing, it's just that I don't really recall a lot of misandrist themes in it at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 10:34 AM
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So, this isn't entirely on the topic of the thread (so my apologies) but I've wanted to bring this up ever since the Obsession "dialogue"--i.e. another theater of the gender wars--started. And it is somewhat relevant. I dislike the sci fi horror movie Blood and Snow because I think it is misogynistic in the way certain other modern movies are subtly misandric, but one thing I do love about it is the way it portrays a particular issue a lot of men have when relating to women/girls and how it can …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 10:28 AM
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I'm not surprised. Anyone who thinks along the usual lines of this idealogy is incapable of truly loving their sons. They're incapable of truly loving any male human, and their own offspring are no exception. They're monsters and there is no reasoning with them, no different than any other bigot. But to me they're in the lower rung of Hell when it comes to bigotry because like homophobes/transphobes their own offspring aren't off limits to their hatred and siege mentality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 08:51 PM
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In my personal experience many of them do understand the point you made, but have come to an entirely different conclusion. They see your hypothetical young boy as bad/evil for joining the manosphere and/or right wing no matter what. Yes, they will acknowledge that he was constantly bombarded with hate and that was not a good experience for him. But they believe that if he joined the "dark side" because of it, then he was always a bad person and thus the people who treated him badly were right a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 01:46 PM
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I knew that Trump winning would only make them worse. I almost wanted Kamala to win just to shut them up about the mythical modern-day "Patriarchy". I just wanted Harris to win for the good of the country since the way I see it, the misandry pestilence would have gotten worse either way. Had she won, they would have become unbearably smug and lorded it over us for the entire four years she was in office. There would be no end of articles, influncers and talking points crying out that the age of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 11:35 AM
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Sabrina Carpenter, in her acceptance speech after winning an award for Hitmaker of the Year, advised those pursuing songwriting to "call men stupid in as many ways as you can". Something I find funny about that is that she said (and got praised for) something I've said before and gotten called out/downvoted for. I guess it's all in the phrasing and knowing your audience lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 08:03 PM
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Sorry for the late reply. Yes I was thinking about spaces/movements dedicated to racial justice and LGBT activism and how this contagion has infiltrated them and slowly twisted a lot of what they stood for into a grotesque caricature that will only backfire in the end. But no individual person who didn't participate in the crime carries any responsibility to individually sacrifice for the sake of that correction or carry collective guilt, and it doesn't mean individual black people should get ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 11:27 AM
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Or heck, it's not even about feminism at all, and I'm just entering into a discussion about male perpetrator/female victim ideology (and women excusing horrible treatment of men on that basis) in isolation and people's brains fall out of their skulls and they go "So you don't believe women deserve rights until all women are nice to you, huh?!??!!" Oh don't get me started on these absolute cretins; they make me want to pull my hair out. If you look into my post history you'll find that I recently…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:26 PM
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First of all, I want to express my genuine sympathy for the things your son has had to go through, as well as for you as a parent having to deal with that. As for everything else...I graduated high school a long time ago, and have no regular contact with teenagers or children. So it sounds like you're describing a whole other dystopic world. It amazes me how bad things have gotten. seeing the rise of what I've seen aptly labeled "Sharia-pilled" mentality growing among men (especially young men) …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 09:56 PM
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While I did not remotely agree with their premise, I respected (and still do) the effort put into it and the good faith nature of what they are trying to say. But that last point hit me like a brick to the face, not just because it is one of my biggest gripes with feminists, but because it is abjectly indefensible. There is no reason whatsoever when an individual does something bad to make it about their gender. There is no reason whatsoever for a women traumatized by the actions of an individua…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 09:11 PM
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Of all these points, the one I find the most objectionable is 4. One of the most insufferable things about feminists and misandrists as a whole is the very argument you are trying to make palatable. That a history of negative experiences with individual men makes hatred, discrimination and cruelty towards unrelated men and boys "understandable" and if we had any "empathy" we'd just accept their wrath because of all the trauma they'd undergone. I completely disagree with the idea that we should h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:39 PM
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Wasn't it written by and directed by a man? I haven't seen many girls lionizing it nor is horror generally a female centric genre. Men can be some of the most hateful misandrists out there, and are often severe purveyors of anti male rhetoric and propoganda. There's an entire pheneomon of male content creators and actors (although it started with Hollywood actors) who garner tons of female support and fan attention by slinging shit at their own gender, which these women eagerly slurp up. It neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:45 PM
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You made me do this". This kind of thinking is the excuses abusers use. The way they try to tell their victims "if you were better I wouldn't do this to you You're not wrong, but the problem is that this can be completely switched up and the opposing result used in favor of abusers as well. To give a rough example of what I mean: Person A punches Person B in the face. Person B lashes out and takes a swing at Person A, the blow possibly connecting. Person A calls B a violent monster for hitting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:12 PM
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If that is the case, then I genuinely apologize. I have come across a great many people who have justified this kind of behavior using the framework being discussed. I tend to have a knee-jerk reaction at this point when I come across anything resembling it, which is one reason I don't comment as much as I once did.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 08:45 PM
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And while we shouldn't, as a group, hedge every comment about women treating men poorly as "due to trauma" (it doesn't matter why someone is bigoted), we should still remember compassion I thought a lot about whether to post this or not but I think it's important. While I can understand your line of thinking (especially reading your other comments) I have to vehemently disagree with this one point. People with the attitude of the OP's girlfriend have little to no compassion for men, and I think …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 03:27 PM
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An amazing breakdown, and unfortunately one that this person likely won't take to heart because the lure of morally justified bigotry is just too strong. I said this years ago, but reading their entries here made me think of it again: In a strange way I have more respect for the stereotypical Andrea Dworkin-esque Second Wave feminists who were outright hateful and confrontational in the way they labeled men as enemies. Not because I agree with them by any stretch of the imagination, but because …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 09:31 AM
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I didn't expect you to agree, I was just expressing my genuine disbelief---and to be honest a bit of disgust---towards this way of thinking. I'll be honest, the ideology of I should be allowed to behave however I want and you are still morally obligated to support my issues is the arrogance of a spoiled brat, and completely ignorant of how human beings function. And the belief system you are espousing acts as an enabler to that destructive attitude. Again, we literally teach small children that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:25 PM
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The problem is that this mindset not only gets you taken advantage of personally, it feeds into a larger parasitic dynamic where one group is expected to help another without any expectation of reciprocity or even civility on the part of the group being helped. In other words, they can do whatever they want because they have zero fear of reprisal or withdrawal of support. Speaking for myself, I don't require people to jump through hoops for me to help them or defend their rights, but I will drop…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:35 AM
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So do you really support feminist movements or do you only support women's rights when they're being nice to you? I've never understood this particular attitude because it makes no sense on a moral or practical level. One of the most basic lessons we teach children (across all cultures) is that aggressive, disagreeable behavior towards others is likely to result in adverse consequences for the person displaying the behavior. If you want people to support your causes, it pays to at least be civil…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:16 PM
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I'm honestly shocked at how much controversy this movie has generated. Just having seen the trailers it's a rehashed version of a plot line I've seen many times over since childhood onwards---person has crush, they wish crush loved them, the wish goes horribly wrong and crush becomes an insane stalker, and a ham fisted lesson about true love and respecting boundaries is "taught". I don't even have an ideological stance on this particular thing, it's more that I can't believe this recycled plot h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 08:38 PM
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One would think they would have learned from the New York Times' ill-advised 2020 attempt to lionize Solonas. But I suppose Trump is in office again and the bottom feeders have detected enough ambient female (and male traitor) anger over what his reign supposedly represents that they think worshipping the corpse of a long dead misandrist will churn up a sufficient amount of that sweet engagement revenue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 01:19 AM
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I genuinely think some of these people (the author of this piece included) are what I used to call professional trolls. Or more likely, they're grifters in the same vein as Andrew Tate or those like him. They see a market--disaffected, aggrieved and hate-filled men and women--and they excrete content molded to validate the worst impulses and thoughts of these people. Which of course brings them plenty of engagement, and thus material gain or at the very least psychological validation. It isn't t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 11:22 AM
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Sorry for the late reply. I actually replied yesterday but Reddit or my phone deleted the comment before I could finish and I kind of gave up lol. What I find weird is that this priority basically takes the form of... vapidly supporting it and endlessly talking about it without doing much of concrete I wanted to address this first because it is the only aspect of your comment that I disagree with. I have many issues with these people, but a lack of real goals and demands is not one of them. Ther…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 10:49 AM
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But you did not write it, I'm interested. Oh, sorry. Part of it was that this was a somewhat rushed comment and part of it is that I've written a lot about the attitude behind the behavior before on this sub and didn't want to seem like I was repeating myself. But to answer your question---a lot of these people have an almost delusional sense of entitlement mixed with self righteousness where it comes to women's hatred vs men's hatred and how they feed off one another. They think that men have--…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/26 12:26 PM
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These people (the ones making those heinous comments) will also be the first to complain about the rising tide of misogynistic influencers and the amounts of boys and men joining them. And if you try to point out the link between this kind of rhetoric and the resentment that propelled these people to join "the dark side"---even using the softest language possible---they will fly into a self righteous rage and state that the misandrist speech is no excuse and that those men were "bad to begin wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 04:33 PM
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Not to nitpick, but I prefer to think of it as "paratization" as opposed to "weaponization". Now don't get me wrong, it is both at the same time, but weaponization of male gender roles tends to happen in quick flashes (used to browbeat men into compliance/agreement, winning arguments, etc). But turning the male gender role into a parasitic model is the bigger whole of which these moments of weaponization are shards. It is the systemic problem that gives rise to these smaller incidents and what h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 10:33 AM
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No, it comes from my years of personal experiences with people who identify as feminists, reading articles and papers by people who identify as feminists and overall seeing the way they view men. As for this... grasping at straws to find any excuse to defend the systems in society that place you at an advantage over other people. No, I was explaining why I have an aversion to feminism and its followers. Nothing more and nothing less. As for that accusation... I was trying to give you an explanat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 10:40 AM
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This didn't go over well when I said it before on a similar topic but I'll say it again because frankly it needs to be repeated until it sinks in. Things like this video and just the overall flood of anti male propoganda and beliefs in the media and society overall are why I tend to have an almost militant sense of loyalty to my own gender (men). And why I think that should be the standard operating procedure for everyone who identifies as male, from the youngest child to the oldest adult. Why s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 10:24 AM
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Okay, I'll do this. I think that while individual cultures have and do still oppress women, it is a massive oversimplification for feminists to insist that the history of humanity is men keeping women as slaves. We arose from animals (at least if you believe in evolution) and struggled to even survive day to day, much less worry about things like fairness and equality. Much of what happened then was driven simply by what worked and what did not, with the latter resulting in death. Things like eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:11 AM
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Well I'm glad you found it helpful, so it's the thought that counts. You have articulated all of my constant frustrations with feminism neatly.. as you said, they demand ally-ship from men while not having a single clue of even what an "Alliance" is or how it works.. Yes, it's something that took me a long time to really understand, much less put into words, but once you notice it you absolutely cannot undo that revelation. The most you can do is ignore it or bury it under a heap of justificatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 10:26 PM
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Feminists will tell you that you need to be an ally or you’re a piece of shit I'm not going to pretend I fully understand this mindset, but I've interacted with enough people like this to get a rough feel for how they think. In fact I had a conversation with one about this very topic a few weeks ago that was informative if highly unpleasant. I think a lot of feminists have this idea that they (or women, since I've seen male feminists demonstrate this same behavior) are the official "wounded part…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 04:28 PM
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This isn't about patriarchy or anything like that. It's much, much simpler. Feminists, as a whole, tend to view men as the oppressor class or if they don't use that exact term, we are "the transgressors". We are the ones who have wronged them, intentionally or otherwise. That attitude filters down through various strains of feminism and it affects how they interact with male human beings, and it is rarely good or beneficial. I refuse to support a group of people who not only see my immutable gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:46 PM
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Would you care to respond to any other partof the comment (the parts that actually answered your question) or...?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:40 PM
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So, "funny" little story. Jameela Jamil is literally the reason I had an epiphany about the sheer insanity of feminists spewing all sorts of vile rhetoric about men and boys...yet demanding men's help with their problems the moment they find themselves backed into a corner. Back during the Roe v Wade debacle, I remember very well that this woman wrote a scathing demand that men "step up" to fight for women's right to choose. And having been soured on feminism for years by then, and being quite f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 12:38 PM
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Just noting that this is now the third time I've said this lol. No, caring for other people or aiding a cause does not necessarily have to benefit you directly---although I do think that some measure of appreciation should be shown for help, since that costs nothing. With that said, there is an entire universe of difference between supporting a person or cause that benefits you or is indifferent to you, and supporting a person or cause that is hostile to you or the group you come from. The first…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:36 AM
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The loneliness problem is a separate issue from the protecting women. And it should be adressed, absolutely. Redpill isn't the answer though. Well, I'm glad you agree; that definitely isn't a given these days. I honestly don't have much to say about whether red pill is the answer or not. I have a lot of mixed feelings on the topic and I don't hold any so-called "pill" ideologies, so my opinion is not really useful. Looksmaxxing is basically eating disorders and body dysmorphia. I don't think peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:06 PM
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I'm not sure if I conveyed my point accurately then, because it really does represent the issue being discussed. The problem at hand is that these "protective measures" are not being done for the sake of young men, they're being done on behalf of the women who may be anything from inconvenienced to harmed by these men if their abysmal life circumstances lead them into radicalization. If these men suffered in ways that did not lead to the aforementioned outcomes, no one would care. They would per…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:22 PM
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Of course young men didn't need to be protected before the threat existed. It's like saying "nobody cared about body dysmorphia and eating disorders before social media, the black pill and that guy clavicular. Because there weren't that many men trying to perfect their bodies by taking meth (? I think the issue the OP is raising (and I agree with) is that the scramble to address the issue did not exist before it had the potential to cause harm to others, namely those who are valued more. I've us…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:06 PM
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I think we will just have to agree to disagree then. There is a certain threshold past which certain positions and tolerance is no longer noble or principles, it is self destruction and/or unwillingness to jettison something that is harmful to oneself. Also One needn't be inflexible in order to be principled. While this does not apply to you personally, I feel like the treatment some of my comments proves this wrong right off the bat. I made the suggestion that if sexism and blatant hatred again…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 07:26 PM
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This conversation seems to be drawing negative attention from the mods so I think I'll have to withdraw from it. I do want to say though that while I understand your thinking, and I do think principles should be followed even when it is less than easy, I also think there is a certain limit. Principles and ideals are good guides for life and being the kind of person you want to see in the world. But I don't think they should be leashes around our necks that keep us chained to bad/unwinnable situa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 04:57 PM
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It’s why we need to stop seeing leftists, or any group, as “the good guys”. People are flawed, and we don’t live in a comic book world with superheroes Oh I know, trust me. I'm the first person to point out that most human interactions are in shades of gray and that for better or worse "good and evil" are subjective. It's actually gotten me into some nasty inadvertent arguments in my real life when I bring this up. What I'm saying is that I grew up in a very left leaning household.I didn't devel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 12:12 PM
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This is so bizarre because I literally watched this video last night after work (it came up on my recommends because I used to be an avid Aba and Preach watcher). Needless to say I have some opinions. Once I sorted out my feelings on things, I realized that this really encapsulates how I view the right wing vs left wing when it comes to vile rhetoric and bigotry. I felt absolutely zero offense or really any emotion other than mockery when the right wingers spewed their opinions. Yet when Hasan P…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 10:43 AM
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Yes, you may although I do not know when I'll be able to respond right now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 09:27 PM
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These people know if they went to a feminist sub or group, they would be banned and told to fuck off, so they come to infinitely more egalitarian and free MRA spaces to spout their “concerns”. This reminds me of a comment I saw on another sub, which was such a mixture of bizarre and pathetic that I barely contained my urge to ask the OP if he was trolling or not, and if not, what was wrong with him. The guy basically said that he entered a lot of male advocacy subs to defend feminism and recruit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 06:52 PM
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No, I believe this too, although it is not something I would ever have thought to say here, let alone aloud. Since we're going to open that can of worms though, I may as well go all out. I've thought about this and come to the same conclusion you have a long time ago. I don't even think it's a particularly misogynistic thought to have, as long as it doesn't mutate into all women are manipulative and out to screw men over. And to be honest I have a certain degree of understanding---but only that-…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 06:01 PM
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Some people project their hostility onto others and then use guilt and shame to pressure them into internalizing it. It’s the ultimate power trip because it convinces the target to become their own jailer. This is why---controversial as it may sound---I recommend never showing an ounce of human kindness or compassion to misandrists, no matter what the circumstances. They use that vulnerability like a half open door to wedge their foot into so they can slither inside your house. Except the house …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 03:05 PM
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For what it's worth, I understand exactly what you're saying and agree wholeheartedly. I've said similar myself, albeit less articulately. We're long past time for the kid gloves to come off. Thank you, I'm glad some people did at least. I feel like what I said was not even remotely extreme, not by feminist or men's activist standards. If anything it's an extremely lukewarm version of the old MGTOW ideology but focused on activism rather than vague bitterness. I'm not going to lie; it's extremel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 02:56 PM
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I don't get why these people always bring up the evil things some men do to justify misandry as if similar reasoning can't be used to justify misogyny or literally any other kind of bigotry ever. I've said this before, but I think it functions as a good answer to your question. Misandrists are different from a lot of other types of bigots (and definitely different than their misogynistic counterparts) in the sense that they have this weird pathological self righteousness and need to have their h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 12:48 PM
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These people win again and again because they are willing to do anything to advance women’s interests. Nothing is too cruel, dishonest, destabilizing, or immoral if it benefits "The Cause". Yet even staring down the barrel of that grim reality, so many of us are mindlessly chained to the concept of being the bigger person and obsessed with so-called moral victories---which don't exist, by the way, you either win or you don't. I am fully in support of suppressing anger/radicalization for the sake…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 11:40 AM
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What I said had nothing to do with gender essentialism, it was saying that seeing this attitude continue unabated---and indeed seem to get worse as time has gone on--has made me much more focused on solving men's issues alone. It doesn't make sense to give continuous service to a group that hates you. It isn't "war", if anything it's isolationism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 11:18 AM
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The content creator sphere is just... so fucking ridiculous lol. They sure love their google docs of extremely cherry picked information that doesn't even support their main claims. "Ridiculous" is certainly one word for it, although I think "absolute nightmare" is a better one. I mean no hate to the smaller content creators who make media for niche audiences or are otherwise decent people, but if I had to choose between keeping things as they are (in terms of how online influencers and content …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 04:11 PM
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You wrote a whole ass bible just to foam "you fucking fuck fucked fuck fuck 😾" 🤣 I'm sorry but I have to ask if that is an intentional quote from The Boys comic book, because it's the only time I've ever read that exact type of f-bombing campaign. Either way, top notch response to such a tantrum (as feminist manipulation tactics go, this was a full on meltdown rather than calculating appeal to emotion). Congratulations on keeping your composure. I wouldn't have been that calm or, considering how…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 03:38 PM
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I'm just going to address the overall theme of your comment (your feelings on this subreddit and your thoughts about this particular thread/issue) before I go into what you said about male suicide. What you said has cemented my original impression that you are of the attitude that women's issues are important enough that the way addressing them impacts men is a vastly inferior concern. I'm not going to try to talk you out of it; I've tried to do so before, and it has almost never worked. What I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 01:52 PM
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You’ve definitely picked through what I’ve said and only heard what you want to hear. No, I read words that you typed in various comments along with the context you in which wrote them, and interpreted the meaning from there. You said it was "a joke that people here call themselves leftists or advocates" in response to the expression of worry over how this kind of misreporting negatively affects men. You would not be the first person to come here and insinuate or outright say that being a leftis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 12:19 PM
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Thank you for that information! I am aware of the Frankfurt School and its gifts-that-keep-on-giving but I wasn't aware of the exact people who created that particular framework. I'm actually appalled---from an academic view at the very least---that something so blatantly based on illogical reasoning was allowed to become a recognized heuristic. With that said, I still wonder who teaches these people how to use this particular tactic. Is it something they see others do and follow suit, is it som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 01:05 AM
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Looking back at this entire thread, I saw that your comment was in answer to someone else asking about what consequences were worse and I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt since I understood there being at least some context. Then I saw you handwave someone else's point about male suicide by launching into a point about female victims. Plus your other comments implying that being a leftist is not compatible with prioritizing men's issues. You'd probably fit in better in a strictly f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 12:57 AM
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They had to know what they were doing when they crammed references to a pretty mainstream porn website in and around coverage of a tiny group of monsters. t was juicy red meat being tossed to ravenous misandrists. This reminds me of something I thought about back in 2016. Looking back now, it's an embarrassingly water is wet-esque opinion, but I was only just starting to get into politics/social issues and so it was like some massive epiphany to 25 year old me. I made this comparison in my mind …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 10:25 PM
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I've been trying to figure out how and where this particular technique arose, because I notice that it seems to be common in feminist/leftist spaces. I am aware that this might be as helpful as asking for the origin of any other abusive behavior, but there is something so cold, calculating and manipulative about this heads I win, tails you lose style of arguing that it seems almost intentionally crafted and taught.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 10:12 PM
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I’m not saying it’s nice for men to feel bad about themselves, but that is the lesser consequence. Whose side are you on? You're basically saying that overblown reporting of an incident that leads to widespread fear and backlash against men is not okay, but a lesser problem because real incidents exist and cause more harm. Do you not understand how messed up that sounds? Or are you just one of those people who think men need to accept certain hardships for some "greater good" or because some oth…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 10:02 PM
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Men have our own problems to deal with and, to be perfectly blunt, I think that we would be better served if we focused all our energy on solving our own problems. Imagine what could be accomplished if men dedicated the same time, energy, intellectual effort, money and even physical manpower into agitating for more men's domestic violence shelters? Or investing in more mentorship programs for young boys, at risk or otherwise, to ensure that the next generation of male humans had solid role model…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:46 PM
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Thanks, I appreciate the information. Unfortunately that does seem to confirm what I was thinking about in terms of my comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 03:27 PM
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Coming back to this thread and having vented about what awful people the author and men like him are, something else occurred to me. It's something I've noticed time and time again over the years, but articles like this shine a spotlight on it. Does anyone remember a time when writing something like this would have gotten this person fired, or at least severely censured? I will make the disclaimer that I don't know when this was written and that I am American while this professor seems to be fro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 03:05 PM
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I mean...it's true, not sure what else to say. It's certainly better and more accurate than "simp", "white knight", "cuck", or "Uncle Tom". The first three are stupid playground insults that will instantly cast the user as some sort of immature incel to those hearing it, while the fourth is rather racially charged. Traitor is just a cold, blunt statement of facts; these men joined a group that sees their gender as the enemy, saw nothing wrong with that, and indeed decided to lend their aid to th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 11:37 AM
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I noticed you had two replies to my comment (or at least it appears that way) so I wanted to use this one to reply to both of them. You realize a lot of male feminists also haven’t done anything wrong and you will be victimizing them for no reason Someone else already addressed the point that this is wrong due to the difference between a chosen identity and an immutable characteristic, but I want to expand on that a little. The person in the linked article (and a large number of other feminists …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 11:33 AM
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Translation: "I don't care if you've never partaken in the oppression of women, you share a collective responsibility for it based on your gender and will pay a restitution." Apart from being absolutely enraging and depressing, it always boggles my mind that these people, who see themselves as progressive and advocates for a more just and equitable world, simultaneously peddle the barbaric logic of ancient blood fueds without batting an eye. If you ever engage one of them in a debate over this k…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 05:04 PM
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I don't know if what I'm about to say breaks any rules, but I'm going to put out this honest opinion and just see what happens. I think at this point (well long before now, but it's become more obvious as time goes on) all male feminists should be considered blatant traitors to their own gender, and treated accordingly, as in being cut off from all positive male help, support and even love they previously enjoyed. Every moment they spend wasting service, energy, time and money on movement that c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 04:46 PM
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TLDR: You're right about the issue with liberals but my problem with progressives isn't their focus on identity politics over class divide and wealth inequality, it's their complete lack of empathy or glee at the suffering of anyone they deem privileged. Both have the problem of focusing a little too much on identity vs class, but one if them evokes a deep moral disgust due to the way they go about it. LONGER VERSION: I definitely understand what you're saying in terms of liberals---and I agree …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 10:10 AM
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You're not wrong, everything you said has been my experience with progressives, to the point that they are among the few political leanings---and I think the only left leaning one--that I immediately think the worst of when someone identifies as one. They wear the outer mask of being fighters for a better more just world but their entire moral compass revolves around the oppressor/oppressed dynamic and they have absolutely zero empathy or compassion for anyone they deem part of the oppressor cla…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 11:26 PM
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I don't like that but I've been proven time and time again that what you say sadly is true I definitely know where you're coming from; it took me a very, very long time to accept this truth. I don't ascribe to red pill beliefs or any "pill" (even though my flair says "purple pill" that's because it wouldn't let me put "no pill") but I can compare it to how I've heard red-pillers describe feeling shock, the "anger phase" and then acceptance of how things are and a cold decision to conduct oneself…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:47 PM
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I fail to see how feminists can look at their sons and say they love them while advocating for a future where they will be disadvantaged and any problems they may have will be their own doing They don't truly love them. They don't hate them (apart from a few crazed extremists) but they value their futures and wellbeing less than they do "the cause". It doesn't mean they won't be sad or even heartbroken over it, but they would throw their sons and other male loved ones under the bus if it truly c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:51 PM
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It isn't about being applicable or not. It comes down to two very distinct things that, while I do not expect you to agree with me, I hope you at least understand: Oppressor has a very distinct and ugly meaning. It is a harsh and dark word and calling someone that smears them with a moral slur and to do that to their entire group casts a shadow over their entire identity. No normally functioning human being---at least not one who hasn't been infected by atonement culture---will tolerate that. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:10 PM
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Did you ever think that calling a group of people oppressors, telling them that they have inherited a moral debt and responsibility for their ancestors' deeds, and continually using that as a cudgel might not be the most conducive to getting them on your side? I'm genuinely asking that, because I've noticed time and time again that there seems to be this massive disconnect between what seems like common sense and behavior towards men among feminists, to the point where I'd almost feel like it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:16 PM
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Nothing you said has even the tiniest shred of validity. None whatsoever. First of all, every group is justifed in looking out for their own interests and that includes assessing a horrible event's negative impact on them before anything else. I don't know if you're American or not, but in the United States we have had I think two school shootings that were carried out by transgender people. Something that used to disgust me is the way I'd see trans groups immediately discussing the expected inc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/26 04:09 PM
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ngl your atittude sounds pyschopathic. No it's just a very human emotion known as frustration, especially after a long and hard day made worse by an unexpected accident that delays your commute by hours. But to get to the heart of your comment: imagine how male violence causes women to be less empathetic to your gender? if you wouldn't excuse male hatred from real trauma, then you should be working pretty hard to not excuse your lack of empathy/female hatred just over online discussions. First o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/26 04:36 PM
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If the main problem is male politicians, how do we ever make them change? I feel like this is kind of the "final boss" of the situation to be honest. As in, you can't go up against this sort of thing without heafty preparation because otherwise you'll get swatted aside. Metaphors aside, I think that the political angle is the last part of the change, and it will take care of itself to a certain degree if other structural alterations are made.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/26 04:27 PM
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Sorry for the late reply, but I had to think pretty hard about how I was going to respond, because you bring up a good point. Also I didn't feel like you were attacking me just expressing a different point of view, so don't worry. First of all, I'm sorry about your friend. I understand quite well what you witnessed; it isn't exactly the same thing but a close male family member has had a string of toxic or outright abusive relationships with women and it is incredibly frustrating and heartbreaki…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/26 04:23 PM
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It's sounds like you're describing gynocentrism and blaming men for adhering to it. This isn't really about "blame" per se as much as it is about taking a long look at our weaknesses as a gender and how to fix those weaknesses so that they cannot be used against us. At least not so reliably and often. Men like Terrence Real and Jackson Katz are vile and no I don't see the average man as being like them. But the average man does have a tendency to downplay men's problems while catastrophizing wom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 08:09 PM
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This may be unpopular, but I feel like this is one of those issues where the problem is---and always will be---other men. It isn't that the women's groups mentioned in the OP are blameless, but I think that the crux of this deplorable situation lies on the shoulders of the male half of the equation. There are two reasons why I feel this way (well, I've simplified it down to two) one pragmatic and objective and the other admittedly more emotional and ideological. I'll go with the more objective o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 03:00 PM
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you had a pretty good run. Maybe sit back and suck it up for a minute? I'm genuinely asking this, because I can't understand the mindset beind it. How on earth do you imagine statements like this land? Why do you think that this would appeal to all but the weakest and most emotionally malleable men? Most men hearing this (myself included) hear these words or others like them, and conclude that you and your movement are the enemies of our gender after all, and act accordingly. That isn't even goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 10:47 AM
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Will you extend an olive branch?" "No" It's such an enraging and depressing (to say the least) situation from an emotional standpoint. Before I gave up and adopted a You get what you deserve attitude, I spent nearly two years trying to explain this to these people from a purely selfish/pragmatic perspective. I said that if you wanted to stop the seemingly relentless march of radicalization that is supposedly sweeping boys and young men into misogynistic circles, then one of the best ways is to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:59 PM
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So I don't want this opinion to come off as anti intellectual (because I very much am not; quite the opposite really, I come from a family of scholars and highly educated individuals). But anyway, here it is: I have occasionally thought (with varying degrees of seriousness) that those in the academic circles that pushed the prejudice+power dynamic of racism and sexism should face sanctions for it, akin to the way society would punish scientists who accidentally released a pathogen into the wild …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 03:14 PM
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There isn't a concise, or "flashy" name for it (at least none I'm aware of) but basically the exploitation of "victimhood". Usually this takes the form of declaring that real or imagined suffering has gifted a free pass to be as hateful as possible with zero pushback, and any repercussions the hateful person faces is further victimization. It comes in a number of forms, including but not even close to limited to: "Men oppressed us for thousands of years/I've had bad experiences with men so my ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:36 AM
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Well, I'm definitely glad it does.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 09:11 PM
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You’re saying that it’s women’s fault that 5th wave Red Pill culture exists? I think the question isn't so much is it women's fault that 5th Wave Red Pill---whatever that is---exists? as much as it is How do we handle it now that it is here? Because to answer your question, it is not "women's" fault as a group, but it is very much the fault of the women (and their male allies) who spent so much time lashing out at men, and they brought this down on everyone in response. A lot of this Andrew Tate…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 10:05 AM
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Oh you're definitely right. That's what I meant when I said that constant vigilance to ensure that a men's minister doesn't become a feminist pawn to "softly" squash dissent is needed. Not being from the UK I have no idea what form that vigilance would take (as in what can an ordinary citizen do) but I know it is necessary. I guess what I mean by not minding Andrew Tate being the catalyst is that I would be fine with the unease and fear he created motivating the powers that be to invest in tryin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 08:59 PM
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I know this is an old comment on an old thread, but I couldn't help but reply to voice my agreement, because I have been screaming this for years. First of all, it should violate the tenets of most left leaning people's beliefs to castigate and antagonize an entire group of people based on their immutable characteristics (it isn't really, and I know that, but it should be. But let's temporarily escort morality off the premises because it is subjective and even if it were not, people hypocritical…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 07:01 PM
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Andrew Tate should not be the reasons why there should be a minister for men and boys. I'm not sure if I agree with that. I do understand resenting being helped because otherwise you would be a "problem"---i.e. I'm helping you bandage your leg because otherwise you'd bleed on my carpet, but I don't think that it is inherently a bad thing. Help is help and I've long since accepted that most people are not spurred to do "the right thing"(tm) via altrusim or morality, but by self interest or fear o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 06:33 PM
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I've said this before, although only on rare occasions but I think I'm going to start doing so more openly: Anyone who has accepted the male oppressor/female oppressed outlook on the world is completely incapable of truly loving any male human beings. That includes their friends, their family members, their spouses and even their own children. I know it's a hardline stance to take, but I've seen more than enough evidence to confirm it and that thread is jus one more example on the pile. I think …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 03:57 PM
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"Positive Masculinity"= Parasitic Masculinity. I'm not even throwing out a meaningless ad hominiem that sounds cutting or witty; if you think about how parasites work, the vision these feminists and their allies have for men and masculinity has a huge parallel to the way obligate parasites operate. To elaborate---in nature, parasites target a host, latch onto it, and then siphon resources from it to enrich themselves without giving anything back, often weakening/sickening the host organism in th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 02:50 PM
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Not sure why you're being downvoted I can't speak for everyone but as one of the people who downvoted, here is my reason: While this guy's point is worthy of consideration, it is only worthy in a vacuum. The context of this thread is discussing the obscene way a study is being used to cast the deaths of husbands as a net positive in the lives of their wives, which contributes to the larger idea that men are burdens and negative forces to their female partners...which itself feeds into the large …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 11:41 AM
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Yes this is---at least in my opinion---the core of men's issues, because it ensures that not only do efforts to make things better fail to take root among men, they are actively opposed and sabotaged by those they were meant to help. It truly infuriates me to see men internalize the idea of our gender as some sort of oppressor class. First of all, it is a highly ahistorical and malicious framing, but also inflicts a great deal of self loathing. And besides... So what? This may be unpopular but I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 11:23 AM
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But regardless of that, I get how you feel. Sorry to have gotten off to a bad start there. Quite all right, I apologize for getting so worked up. As you probably saw by the response, I have very strong feelings on this particular topic and combined with the subject matter of this thread (and watching the video itself) resulted in a volatile tone. Still that's no excuse; I meant every word of what I said, but there was a better way to express it. So again I apologize. I am glad that you weren't s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 02:50 PM
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I'm sorry but this is just one more example of the "Be the bigger person/turn the other cheek" mentality that sank us up to our eyeballs in misandrist garbage. I have a marked dislike for the show, but there is an exchange in Rick and Morty that really exemplifies how I feel about this entire thing: One character refers to another as a predator, not despite his physical, mental and social deficits but because of them. This person appeals to the empathy and compassion of those around them, thus e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 12:06 PM
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To be fair, asking for help and appealing to compassion and morality often is a predatory tactic. It's one that, ironically enough, many anti male groups have relentlessly used to manipulate men into fighting for their causes and excusing their misandry. It's one of the bigger reasons I have a strict policy where expressing any misandry immediately disqualifies someone from receiving even the most basic human kindness and empathy, no matter how genuinely tragic their circumstances are...and why …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 09:06 AM
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Well I appreciate that you do, even if we come to different conclusions. The generalization and attacking is wearing on my empathy as well. This is going to sound terrible, although I can't say I'm sorry about it: that's a good thing. That kind of hateful behavior should wear down your empathy; it should burn it to ash. A lot of this despicable behavior persists because we men reward hatred with compassion and pity in the name of being moral or "the bigger person" or "doing what's right regardle…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/26 12:37 AM
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I suppose I can understand your perspective; it's definitely the one that many people would consider the better and more "moral" attitude between the two of us. I'll fully admit that---this particular case aside--my years spent amongst gender politics have deeply shaped how i view these things. Seeing the way anti male hatred is so often framed as a righteous and justified sentiment that men should humbly accept as atonement has gutted a lot of the reflexive and automatic compassion I once felt …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 08:09 PM
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but I'm not going to respond with grace when they take it out on all men Oh most definitely. I absolutely despise when people do this and/or try to justify others who do it. I actually think people who take out their legitimate pain and grievances on all men and boys automatically forfeit their right to male compassion or even basic human kindness. But in the spirit of fairness, this isn't what I was talking about, at least not exactly. I'm not particularly up to speed on the Epstein Files issue…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 03:32 PM
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I'll be brutally honest here---the way the Epstein Files debacle has drawn out/reinforced misandrist sentiment and rhetoric like a rotting corpse attracting flies has made me quite apathetic and even resentful of the entire thing, which includes the victims of Epstein's bullshit. I know that's unfair, but I can't help but see them as a source of yet one more hurdle for men's issues alongside everything else involved, and that makes me feel no small amount of anger and bitterness, alongside a dee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 12:49 PM
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What you outline really is how I view this situation In the spirit of full honesty I do want to say that while I definitely meant every word I typed, I think that the relationship aspect of things is a fairly small aspect of why men are so slavishly devoted to women's causes. It would be for too much to go into right now (and I've written extensively about it elsewhere) but I think it's a noxious mixture of many factors. Biological predisposition to apathy and even animosity towards other men (w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 12:00 PM
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its a part of the male protector role, Well yes, definitely. Although I would expand on this by saying it's part of the more recent paratization of the male gender role. Wherin that role is not only expected to remain constant without any reciprocation, but is expanded far beyond what it originally meant, with the intent to create a tireless servant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 10:10 PM
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Unfortunately this is exactly right; when people don't use the manipulative moral arguments that usually accompany this topic, they'll resort to the idea that women won't like you if you try to defend/join with other men. And...they aren't entirely wrong. I mean, it says some ugly---but I think honest and important---things about men and women alike, but it's true. For all the "She's not going to sleep with you, bro" snark that gets tossed around, I've found this to be the opposite. There is no.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 03:39 PM
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This is such a strange post to read, not just because I disagree but because it vastly contradicts my own life experiences. From what I've seen and encountered, a lot of men hate other men or at the very least have a severe apathy for male human beings that don't exist within our direct circle. Men who ally themselves with women's causes or just sympathize with women's issues will agree with the most disgusting and unhinged things women say about men or voice nasty anti male sentiment of their o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:34 PM
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I see people clutching repeatedly to the narrative that women always have it worse than men Perhaps this might be controversial for this sub, but I think it needs to be said. Who cares? I really do mean that and am open to people's opinions. Let's say for the sake of this small argument that this was all true. I don't see why that matters in any way shape or form. We are not women, they are not men. I have very little animosity towards women, but I am also aware that many of them---like any othe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 12:04 PM
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Thank you for saying this, if nothing else. I have been making this point for years both online and in real life. Sadly men are the biggest obstacles to this dream; I have been met with everything from disdain or mockery of the idea to outright primal rage at the very thought of men forming a "bloc" in our own right, especially when the men in question realize that means they might have to go up against women's interests. It's infuriating, it's pathetic, but most of all it's sad since it cements…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 11:52 AM
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Yeah. The excuses that these people make for Maxwell is infuriating to read. I personally find them hilarious, although perhaps that is just my own dark sense of humor. It's one of the few gender politics topics that I actually find amusing and don't take seriously at all. The silliest one I read---although the person saying this was 100 percent serious---was that Gislaine Maxwell should be pardoned and released because it is unfair that all the wealthy male predators still roam free while the o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/26 09:30 PM
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First of all thank you for the compliment. I'm glad you found this comment to be well written; I tried to explain what I meant and provide examples while also not devolving into rambling. I'm quite sorry about what you experienced with your ex and that you had to put up with that sort of thing. but I've always wanted to know what would be an ideal world for people that watch this kind of content? If they are apathetic or sometimes even spiteful towards men, aren't they just looking to create the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/26 09:23 PM
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this type of behavior from feminists sounds a lot like abusive relationship behavior You're exactly on target, and this is actually something I've done several deep dives on. The short version is that this behavior is reminiscent of the logic child abusers use on their victims. Well, abusers of any sort, but those who target children and teenagers are particularly fond of this method. Essentially the abuser will torment their victim until the victim lashes out in some way (physically/behaviorall…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/26 10:35 AM
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Yes, I consider that particular example--and others like them--to be a case of blatant evil. This may be a controversial opinion, but it is a hill I will die on: I think that anyone (man or woman) who views the world through the lens of male oppressor/female oppressed is incapable of truly loving the men and boys in their lives. I'm not going to sit here and say this is a "nuanced" opinion but I will say that it is far more complex than "They secretly hate their own male friends and family". Alt…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 09:24 PM
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That is a fair point. Despite my commentary on Andrew Tate, I'm actually not familiar with the "lore" around him. My exposure to him is more in terms of him as a pheneomon/force than public figure. In a lot of ways I view him as a catchall for misogynistic influencers who ensnare young men and even boys, than an individual in his own right. Now, I am aware that he was accused (convicted?) of sex trafficking multiple women and beating at least one woman, but other than that I don't know much. Whi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 09:27 PM
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Oh, well, okay. So first of all, this isn't really a negative or positive commentary on the Black Lives Matter movement as much as it is about the context of that time period. If I recall correctly, the NYT attempt to "redeem" Valarie Solonas happened around the time the BLM protests were really taking off. I don't think things had reached their peak yet, but there was definitely a renewed fervor after the death of George Floyd. With that said, here is what I semi-seriously think: I think that t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 11:46 AM
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I can't link the exact thread and comment (I don't know how, and this was several years ago) but I can do the next best thing and explain the context since that is very clear in my memory. There was a thread on TwoXChromosomes (of course) that discussed men feeling alienated and blamed by feminist movements and rhetoric. There was of course the usual mockery, expectations of superhuman levels of patience in the face of hate ("If hurt feelings make you back out, you're not a real ally"), and all …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 10:55 PM
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Ah I understand. My sincere apologies then. I admit I am a little sensitive since, as I mentioned, the last time I brought this point up and made a similarly long comment on it, someone stole it---literally verbatim and turned it into a post of their own, just replacing "feminists" with "women". But that aside, I do see your larger point. Feminists--despite assertions to the contrary--tend to assert that women are more "evolved" or "emotionally intelligent" or any number of other dogwhistles tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 10:22 PM
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sure, I never said I like her, At the risk of sounding condescending (which isn't the intent), I want to explain/address something. The reason you're getting slammed with downvotes and overall addressed as if you do "like" her is because you failed to read the room. I've seen this play out before numerous times and I've explained this dynamic to people then too. Let's say you have a person of a specific race/ethnicity/gender/etc commit an absolutely heinous crime against a completely innocent pe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 05:48 PM
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Hmm, with all respect I try not to go there exactly. It can be tempting at times, but there are many women who do support men's issues or at least haven't let the male oppressor/female oppressed strip them of their humanity. I know some in my real life and have met them online as well. Even in the linked video, one of the comments is a woman complaining bitterly about being kicked out of her female friend group for having these radical beliefs. My gripe is with feminism and feminists themselves …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 01:49 AM
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Yeah, 2020 was a crazy year. I have a mini conspiracy theory about why that article on Solonas was published, but it's almost offensively insane so I keep it to myself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 07:16 PM
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I mean, he's a criminal by his own admission. So...no? I'm genuinely not sure what you're trying to say here, because it doesn't really "fit" with anything I wrote. Are you saying that because Tate is a criminal none of the harm he brought is anyone else's fault? Anyway.... And the fact you seem to think by "harm he caused" is one specific thing, kinda tells me where your head is at. Well, don't be mysterious! Please, feel free to tell me what I'm thinking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 07:12 PM
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Tate has done real harm and I don't ever want to downplay Would it be out of line to say the "harm" Tate inflicted was 100 percent deserved? Think about it. The only reason he was able to rise to such "heights" was because the zeitgeist of socially sanctioned misandry provided fertile soil for him (and those like him) to grow. I remember making a concerted effort on Reddit (and other spaces online) to give ideas on how to halt the seemingly relentless march of radicalization that was sweeping yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 07:05 PM
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I'm sorry, I thought this is a leftist subReddit? It's very telling---but unfortunately not at all surprising--that you think being leftist is at odds with prioritizing the issues and concerns of male humans. I know your kind view men as the "oppressor class" and thus not worthy of being focused on, but that viewpoint isn't universally shared, not yet at least. The world---Western world if I want to be accurate---already breaks its own spine bending over backwards to address and accommodate the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:55 AM
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I know you people only care for boys, There's so much more to address here, but I feel like this stands out. Are you perhaps lost? You do know that this is a subreddit dedicated to men and boys' issues, right? You have arrived in a place that is for that express purpose and you're acting as if prioritizing men (or boys in this case) is a problem?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 03:45 AM
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Yeah I've noticed this for some time now, but it's an incredibly difficult topic to explore, although this video moved me to talk about it once again. I made a much more elaborate comment elsewhere in this thread, but long story short, I think that feminism/women's advocacy's focus on a "male transgressor/female victim" creates a sense of blanket hatred/antipathy towards male humans as a whole. It's similar to how countries and even whole ethnic groups with longstanding conflicts can start to vi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 10:30 PM
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Hilariously, for all the engaging in gender politics that I do on Reddit, the first time I was called a misogynist was when I brought this up. And not even in an antagonistic way, i just mentioned that a lot of feminism's demands of men are suspiciously like a rebranded version of the male gender role.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 08:59 PM
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men sassily refuse to forfeit certain privileges at the expense of women/others. I'm genuinely curious about what privileges you're talking about, as well as who the "others" are. Secondly though... Let's say for the sake of argument this is entirely true. Why should we give anything to make life better for a group of people who have, for the last 11 years, waged a continous social war against us? Who have flooded the spheres of media and societal discourse with rhetoric and ideologies that pain…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 08:56 PM
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Yes, unfortunately I am quite familiar with what you just described (although fortunately I have never had to experience it firsthand). I have mixed feelings about this sort of thing; on one hand I can understand why a shelter for abused women would want to put limits on a male population within its walls, it backfires because I think very few women would want to abandon their child(ren) just because they are boys. That's how they inadvertently lock the very women they're trying to help in abusi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 08:48 PM
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I'm glad I'm not the only one paying attention to this patern. there seem to be different ways in which misandry and misogyny get ugly. Oh most definitely; there are a number of differences between how misogynists and misandrists conduct themselves, even if their behaviors are ultimately both rooted in hatred/contempt of the opposite gender. At the risk of going on a tangent, I've noticed that misandrists tend to be incredibly self righteous about their hatred. It isn't just enough for them to h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 08:10 PM
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Don't defend people like this. It's vile and disgusting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 05:22 PM
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The comments even push for it for 12 year old boys. So, I haven't done a deep dive on this topic in a long time, partly because it's a controversial observation and also because the last time I wrote in-depth about it someone stole my comment and turned it into a misogynistic rant of their own. But I digress. Something I've noticed for quite some time is that feminists (not all, but an appallingly large amount) tend to entertain and accept the thought of doing harm/damage to male children in the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 05:19 PM
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Have any of you been successful in persuading someone to agree with you I've told this story before, but three years ago I was able to persuade a young man (which feels weird to say, but he was definitely younger than me by a significant amount) to stop putting such immense energy into women's issues and undermining men's problems. I was once on a forum where various men were talking about our overall struggles and one of the topics that gained a lot of traction was how expectations and social n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 11:51 AM
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This isn't really related to the article itself (so please forgive me for going on a tangent) but more about a pheneomon I've observed for some time, and the comments section of that article is rife with it. There is an incredibly irritating and I'd even say borderline immoral thing a sizeable number of women do in these gender politics discussions, something that I call "Stolen Terror" named after the practice of Stolen Valor. When Stolen Terror is at play, the woman (or male sympathizer) emplo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 12:51 PM
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You openly state that you are not moderate when it comes to anti male attitudes, your other comments show a clear disdain for other men that you don't show for women, and you've even gone back and forth with some women who literally disagree that it's okay to hate anyone based on their immutable characteristics. I don't know if you quantify "hate" differently (which is fair) ot just lack self awareness, but either way you absolutely show signs of negativity towards your own gender which I find u…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 04:19 PM
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Well, have fun hating your own gender then. It's a pathetic and miserable way to live, but to each their own. I just hope your--as in you and those with your way of thinking--sphere of influence becomes increasingly limited and men become more willing to have each other's backs and ultimately push the men are evil crowd into a corner where they belong. I can't say it was fun speaking with you, but it did confirm my thoughts on how a lot of you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:20 PM
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With all the “men built the world and invented everything” talk. No one praises men like men. First of all, the men built the world and created civilization thing, while cringeworthy, came into existence because of the barrage of men are the oppressor class/responsible for the world's ills bullshit that was peddled by many women and their male sympathizers. So if you find it obnoxious, maybe remember what gave birth to it. Secondly... No one praises men like men. As we should; you say it like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:44 PM
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I used to be the red pilled, black pilled men are victimized by society guy I have switched over my beliefs because by volume women experience more weird shit from men and just being a man myself I know these things. I obviously don't know you, but respectfully, it sounds like rather than achieve moderation/middle ground, you leaned hard into the opposite direction to become one of those our gender is the evil gender and women are all victims type of men. Which as I said, is a fairly common, if …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:25 PM
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While I do appreciate the genuine and good faith reply, I have to admit that nothing you have said here really takes away from my point; if anything, it just confirms what I meant in my first comment. If you had a daughter or sister right now come up to you and tell you that some grown man touched their ass at a party or told her some inappropriate shit you’re not gonna say, ‘not all men say that or do that.’ well atleast i wouldn’t, Or didn’t. I would tell them to be cautious around guys. Ther …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:50 PM
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I find this post to be incredibly depressing and also a perfect example of one of the few things I genuinely hate about my own gender. The validity of the topic aside, there's something that is simultaneously depressing, enraging and just pathetic about blindly accepting hatred of your own kind, regardless of how sympathetic a sob story lies behind it. And in true male fashion the origin point is the same---"I have female loved ones/I just got a girlfriend, so suddenly all that misandric rhetori…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:51 AM
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Sorry for the late reply. Men arent unable to find a role its that every thing they want to be that isnt centering women is seen as women hating I agree with your overall point, including many of your examples and how unfair they are. Something I will put forward though is that, in many of these cases, men are our own worst enemies. I know that might sound like "victim blaming", but I think it's a legitimate opinion and I think the term is thrown around too much anyway. But I digress. Men are su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 05:48 PM
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You are welcome and it is good to see that this was just a poorly phrased/executed post as opposed to the arrogance or just plain duplicity that has become so common in these areas. I'm glad I followed my first instinct to react with constructive criticism rather than vitriol. As I said on another comment (and you also noted), the issue is that the way progressive spaces have treated men--of all types--has done incalculable damage, damage I fear cannot ever be truly reversed. And the right has d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 03:36 PM
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Yes I agree with you wholeheartedly. If I look at it without being overly charitable, I can see the unacceptably condescending arrogance that just drips from this post. And that's not even getting into the parasitic twist on traditional gender roles designed to extract as much from men as possible without giving anything in return and framing it as morally righteous. One thing I will say is that, although I don't think I've ever seen to here and I very much disapprove of the concept, there is a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 02:34 PM
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Don't forget the part about putting ourselves at risk and explicitly saying that healthy masculinity means doing so without expectation of even so much as a thanks and even doing it for people who hate and curse us, without complaint. Oh and the part about "bearing social cost without lashing out". That was a nice one too, such a novel and new standard of masculinity/s. I tried to be as charitable as possible when responding to this because we need feminists, progressives, etc to realize that th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 02:05 PM
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I read this post multiple times, and I think I definitely have a firm grasp of what you're trying to convey. So, with that in mind, I here are my initial thoughts: With all due respect, you are engaging in a particularly unpleasant pheneomon wherein traditional gender roles are elaborately dressed in the "new outfit" of progressivism and "equality for all". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't being intentionally manipulative, but unfortunately the outcome is the same. T…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 11:44 AM
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While it's nice to see women push back on misandry, I have some skeptical thoughts on why that is. I feel like it's now hurt a lot of women's bottom line and that's why they are pushing back. This reminds me of that scene in The Last of Us with the doctor. "Oh, so you mean the killing has to stop now? It was fine before when others were dying, but now that you're in the cell, it needs to stop?" or at least something along those lines; it's been a long time since I saw the show. That being said, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 10:48 PM
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I'm not sure if I'd agree that it's precisely Main Character Syndrome (although perhaps what I'm about to describe is a form of it). From my experiences it's less the belief that they are the center of the universe and more along the lines of self righteous entitlement, born from the idea that their supposed suffering makes them deserving of limitless support and understanding--especially from groups of people they see as responsible for their "suffering". In their deluded minds, they feel as if…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 03:18 PM
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It's worse if you're an ally. Like... I'm here for you. Be here for me too. I didn't choose to be born any sort of way and my intentions are good. I've said this before, but I'm of the firm opinion that a huge amount (perhaps most at this point) people who use the term "ally" in these contexts wouldn't know true allyship if it punched them in the face. What they actually want is something more akin to a slave. A servile human accessory who fights for their causes, is always available to help the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 11:30 AM
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Nope, not even close. I'm well aware of how bad this is and I have not turned this into a "man vs woman" fight. There are way too many legitimate examples of those battles that need to be fought, so I agree with you that this isn't one of them. I'm referring to this little gem of yours. Because men are used to life or death situations and we go down with our hands wrapped around the throat of our captors. We are stronger. Women aren’t. It’s really just that simple. That’s why in general it is mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 06:53 PM
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It's always more depressing when a man embraces this men are disposable and that's perfectly okay attitude.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 06:41 PM
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I wanted to wait until I had the time to make a more measured and well thought out reply, so forgive the lateness. Also, the person who responded to you makes some of the points I'm going to, but I have my own spin on them, so here goes. Feminism is not a monolith. I No, it is not, you'll have zero arguments from me there. As I acknowledged in my other post, there are many "strains" of feminism and furthermore there are many different individual feminists who practice these spinoffs in their own…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 11:02 PM
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I think it's one of those the greatest punishment is being that person types of situations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 03:31 PM
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Thanks for the link, I appreciate it. First of all I was surprised to find that I actually recognized this video (the Dr. K part, not the journalist's reaction). I think I watched some of it a while ago. As for that woman's reaction and comments about it: I'm in no way defending or justifying her (I'm actually doing the exact opposite as I hope will be clear) but I do have a more nuanced look at it than I usually do with these things. My blood boiled as I listened to her rambling and at first I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 02:58 PM
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If most of the scientists tomorrow started calling me slurs I wouldn't dismiss science because of it. I don't really want to go down this rabbit hole, but I will say that I don't think this a particularly good analogy for two opposite reasons. Science is evidence based, describing natural processes with their own rules outside of human prejudice or intervention. Of course I wouldn't dismiss findings in the field of particle physics just because the scientist leading the study was a fierce racist…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 12:48 PM
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I don't see it as retaliation as much as remembering your place, so to speak. You shouldn't join forces with a group that sees your gender as oppressors and wants to oppose them, because that makes you a traitor to your gender, to be perfectly blunt. It doesn't matter what has happened in the past, or what sympathetic stories you might hear. Right now, feminism does not have men's interests at heart and no man should be on their side. Honestly allying with feminists as a man is like swearing all…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 11:32 AM
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Dude I saw an accomplished journalist , misconstrue Dr K's comment on Lonely men, and equating it to Handmaid's Tale. Do you have a name or source for this? It's not that I don't believe you, I just want to see this for myself because it's so ridiculous. Dr. K, while genuinely helpful and well intentioned, is pretty infamous for his "Women have problems, men are problems" attitude. Years ago he would insist on establishing that women's problems were objectively worse than men's (despite actively…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 11:22 AM
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Separate/rival nations sounds like nationalism and is only going to create disconnect, hatred and rigid gender roles I fail to see how that will lead to "rigid gender roles", but I'll leave that aside. As for disconnect, hatred and all those bad things... What do you think we have now? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but you sound like the people who say talking about institutionalized racism, crime rates, wealrh inequality or some other societal ill is being disruptive and causing unnecessa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 08:04 PM
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Unfortu The truth is, one thing that kinda makes me better from this Toxic Shame is the idea that people don't actually believe this stuff. They're not actually viewing the people close to them through this lens of systemic power. Unfortunately that has not been my experience at all. I have had a number of unfortunate encounters with people who view their "loved ones" and even themselves through this warped lens of power dynamics. Heck, I've seen certain white women excuse negative generalizatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 07:49 PM
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You’re saying this isn’t just feminism, but a broader way of thinking where people judge actions by who did them instead of what happened. i.e. cruelty can be minimized if the “right” person does it and victims can be ignored if they belong to the “wrong” group. Yes exactly. It seems to be an intractable plague of progressive politics that worms its way into so many different situations and areas. I think feminism is especially relevant here because it has institutionalized this way of thinking.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 07:41 PM
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So, I agree with you in literally everything you said (so I won't go into individual parts of this post since it would just be me nodding along lol). I do have something to add though that again might be somewhat controversial especially because of what sub this is, but here goes: people are sorted first and actions are judged second While the problems you listed are 100 percent endemic to feminism, this is also a massive problem with a number of left leaning movements. In fact, the "core" of my…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 09:11 AM
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The first thing they'll do any time a woman is suspected of being a domestic abuser is ask if she's actually just lashing out as a reaction to having been abused first. Oh my god. The worst example of this I ever had the misfortune to come across (well, technically not the worst but the one that affected me the most) was a reddit post where the OP admitted to inflicting a literal lifetime (as in from the time he was a baby) of psychological and physical abuse on her now young adult son because h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 02:08 AM
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Yes, precisely. We need a strategy of tit-for-tat, where we give and take in equal measure This needs to be done above all. There can be no more naked parasitism wearing the mask of "allyship" and peddled by those who wouldn't know the real thing if it punched them in the face. Our help must be "earned" from now on; it must come with a either concrete promise and action plan of how this help will be reciprocated or a provable explanation of how this aid will also help men. If women need our help…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 09:24 PM
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Sorry before I begin I just want to say that your profile picture matches your post. Anyway... I'm glad what I'm saying doesn't come off as radical or extreme; to be honest I find it completely rational as well for the same reasons you listed, but I have faced backlash here before--including of the more "official" type--for saying similar sentiments, so I wanted to cover my bases. For over a decade, men have contorted themselves to fit into ever smaller boxes to try to accommodate to what societ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 09:18 PM
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I've said this on similar posts around this topic, but a good--if admittedly extreme--way of combatting this pheneomon of weaponized shame is to adopt a policy of simply not caring. Or more specifically to radically reframe what you care about and how you go about it. As has been said in this thread and the OP, so much is made about men being "good", about being the ones to sacrifice ourselves, to divest our "power", to twist ourselves into knots to atone for the oppression of women. I actually …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 02:15 PM
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feminist rhetoric uses the same (illogical) framework abusive parents, I'm so glad someone else finally said this, because I've been putting this point out here for some time. There is a particular logic held by child abusers (well, abusers in general but child abusers use it a lot) that justifies the abuse and validates ever worsening atrocities, all while allowing the abuser to maintain a moral framework in which they are the righteous party. It goes somewhat like this---the abuser harms the v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:29 AM
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This is a major reason why I slowly became a far less compassionate and sympathetic person and even have begun viewing compassion/kindness as a weakness, where gender issues are concerned. Feminists have an abjectly vile habit of saying or worse doing completely heinous things, and then when they face widespread blowback, retreating behind the shield of "context" or "understanding". A feminist can say that she sees all male humans--including small children, including her own toddler aged sons--a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 12:07 AM
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Thank you very much, I just tried to give my thoughts on it and how it still effects us all to this day and I'm glad it resonated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 12:19 AM
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I'm sorry, are you talking about me? If so, thanks, I appreciate it!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 12:18 AM
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So, this is interesting because I was ironically just thinking about this today. I've heard of this particular theory in years, and while I agree that it has some merit, I don't particularly agree with it. Although I am perfectly willing to admit that I am not really a large fan of conspiracy theories, so that could be my personal bias talking. I do agree that the Occupy Wallstreet movement played some key part in conceiving this monster, but I think that is where I diverge completely. Here is w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/25 12:15 AM
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Also, ideally a survivor will be able to have healthy views of people with shared characteristics of their abuser, but there is nuance and grace should also be afforded to people dealing with what is symptom of a major trauma No. 🫸 Never, ever. This is one of those things that sounds nice, and empathic and all of those fluffy things, but gives way to the normalization of bigotry and hatred and worst of all frames any pushback against it as morally wrong. I've seen this more times than I can coun…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 11:50 PM
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Whew that was cynical. And I thought I had harsh viewpoints on these things lol. In all seriousness, that is a good analysis of the situation and I think there is definitely some truth to it. I will say that I don't entirely agree that this is the majority of the thought process behind the outrage, although perhaps that is due to my own experiences speaking with people who feel upset and angry at men's increased caution. From my experiences speaking with women (and some men) who are upset about …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 09:31 PM
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I'm not particularly sure about that, my apologies. I've never paid much attention to celebrity news; what I know about this is because it was all over the place at the time and because Crews' comments overlapped with spaces I frequented. I do know that he got in trouble and stirred up a lot of controversy at some point because of his insistence that children need a male and female role model growing up, and this enraged certain parts of the gay/lesbian community and single parents. But that's l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 05:48 PM
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This is an aspect that has always stood out strongly to me. It did for me too (heh, I know). Well, that and the audacity to resent the natural fallout of the movement (being excluded from gatherings and the whole Mike Pence rule), but I'll focus on what you brought up. I thought about saying this in my OP but decided against it since I was trying to keep personal feelings out of it, but it's become relevant. While I have egalitarian ideals and very much have left wing beliefs (it's why I'm here)…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 04:54 PM
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Not sure about that Terry Crews still received some support despite other people ridiculing him. So this is somewhat of a "conspiracy theory" but it is based on observations of what was going on at the time. While I do think the support Terry Crews got came from a place of genuine goodwill, I think it should also be noted that Crews took an incredibly misandrist stance on the topic and validated many of the nastier things the extremists were saying at the time, using his platform to do so. In fa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 04:41 PM
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First the pros. I think that it was good in the sense that it exposed a number of serial predators and outright rapists hidden in high places. That is always a good thing. I think it made women and by extension people in general more "comfortable" talking about sexual assault and society more aware of consent and what it means. On the other hand... I firmly believe that MeToo was at its core a moral panic no different than the Red Scare, the Satanic Panic and all sorts of others you'll find thro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 04:04 PM
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these type of people will never get it as pragmatism is a foreign concept to them. I think it's a mixture of self righteous arrogance and a sheer disdain for the people they are arguing against. I noticed this a long, long time ago but from a different angle. Back in 2022 I when Andrew Tate had his meteoroc rise to internet power and the usual suspects were wringing their hands and freaking out over it, I tried on multiple occasions to have conversations about how to prevent him and others like …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:23 PM
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I'm glad that at least one other person was thinking something along these lines. Also glad I didn't get censured for saying it; the last time I brought this sentiment up, I was reprimanded by a mod. I've never wanted to fully believe it, but I'm almost completely convinced that men and women as a whole cannot be allies or work together in any real capacity apart from individual cases. Instead we are more akin to rival nations that ruthlessly look out for their own interests regardless of what t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/25 10:40 PM
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Perhaps it's controversial to say, but things like this are why I find myself truly leaning into a policy of always siding with my own gender whenever there is a conflict, unless the man/men in question are so utterly wrong that there is no doubt of their guilt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/25 11:35 AM
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Here js the thing about feminism, it is about equality, sure, but it is about advocating for women’s rights for the sake of achieving equality. Yes again I agree, you'll get no arguments from me where that is concerned. But, if that is the case, then I feel like there are a number of concessions that need to be made. First of all, feminists then need to accept the fact that if they are indeed a woman-focused movement, men have zero obligations to help with their endeavors. If feminism fights for…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:01 AM
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it’s odd that you’re expecting feminists to advocate against conscription for men (even if they are against conscription as a whole) when they’re focused on this own stuff. Why, in your view, should feminists be responsible for this? Why can’t the men start a movement and protest this decision? So I'm not the person you asked, but I want to give my thoughts on this question because it is a good one. Personally I agree with you. I have never asked or expected feminists (or really women in general…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:43 AM
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I call this "Stolen Terror" after the disgraceful pheneomon/crime of Stolen Valor. But, honestly, it's to be expected even if it cannot be condoned. I think that in good faith attempts to make our societies better/fairer towards groups of historically disadvantaged people (including groups I myself belong to) there was the unfortunate side efect of creating a system wherin victimhood became a sort of social currency rather than just an unfortunate reality or even source of shame. Thus you will h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 09:14 PM
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Sorry, this is going to be a little long. Feel free not to read it, but I feel like you brought up something that really bothers me about where we are in these discussions. That doesn’t require men to act any differently. At the end of the day we are all responsible for our own actions even if someone else is acting poorly. I've come across this particular sentiment many times before, and I think that while it seems reasonable and even moral on the surface, there are a number of problems with it…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:16 PM
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But why did a slimeball like Tate gain such a massive following? Why were so many men unsympathetic to the loss of abortion rights? I feel like people have an incredibly short memory when it comes to this sort of thing. I can't tell you how many times people site the rise of Andrew Tate (and other misogynistic influencers of his like) and/or the Roe v Wade disaster as the reasons for the breakdown of relations between the sexes, but that isn't even close to the whole story. At best it is a one s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:24 PM
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Interesting. I wasn't aware the person I was talking to had such an infamous reputation, although I knew immediately from their response what kind of person I was dealing with and acted accordingly (you can see the difference between my original comment and subsequent responses). I don't comment here often so I'm not aware of certain users and their reputations. There are two particular people I will never respond to, but that is due to experience engaging with or just seeing how they act toward…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:43 AM
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Yes, I brought this up elsewhere in the thread. While I won't paint OP with this brush (since there is zero evidence for or against it so far) I immediately find myself putting my guard up when a man starts announcing his pro-woman dedication via his female loved ones. In my experience men who become feminists due to having female loved ones go completely off the deep end. They become completely unsympathetic and even malevolent towards their fellow men and our issues, they will support women ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:40 PM
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You are free to wage the war and think of men who support women as traitors, i see that as inability to actually care about women It's not a "war", but a simple case of two different groups of people who are occasionally put in situations where what is good for one would be bad for the other. It's only right that members of each side must always support their respective groups. As for being a traitor..."supporting women" doesn't make a man a traitor to his gender. What does make him one is when …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:09 PM
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That's your opinion and you're certainly free to hold it. I've long since given up on the idea that men and women are some kind of unified force, or that "we're all in this together". We can be friendly and even romantic individually, but as aggregates men and women are akin to two rival nations who want the best for themselves at any cost. So it's unsurprising that you would hold the opinion that men's problems "aren't that bad" and thus need to be dismissed or downplayed. I don't even resent y…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:40 PM
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That’s opinion of a man who has women in his life that he cares about. Yes and there's nothing wrong with that, on the surface. On the other hand, I've noticed that men with a large number of female loved ones tend to be the worst when it comes to caring about other men or men's issues in general. They're the first to side with women if it comes down to a zero sum game between men and women, they're eager to minimize the concerns of men because "women have it worse and we are the privileged oppr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:17 PM
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You shouldn't be downvoted for this statement at all. It's about as helpful as a watering can against a wildfire, but for what it's worth, I upvoted you. Male misandrists are something I've had to come to terms with early on, and something I've brought attention to multiple times. Those men are in many ways worse than the most misandrist women, from both an emotional and practical level. When a man hates or devalues other men, he hates, to the point of easily viewing our lives as lesser and bein…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/25 04:19 PM
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I know it's nigh impossible, but I genuinely want to see someone hack into Google for the express purpose of creating an International Men's Day doodle. It isn't even about being petty; I think the fallout would force a serious conversation about how we see men's issues vs women's issues like throwing paint on an invisible person. Why? Because a number of things would follow this hypothetical hack. Google would be forced to make some kind of statement and if they apologized for it, then that wou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/25 04:12 PM
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. I think he's also a nihilist, which is weird for a therapist. That's interesting. Having some experience/understanding of nihilism (and believing in some aspects of nihilism and moral relativism myself) I don't find it automatically strange for a therapist to hold those ideas. That said, it is very much at odds with the way he adopts the typical "male oppressor/female oppressed" moralization, since a hard-core nihilist really wouldn't put so much weight on such things. I've seen men right here…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/25 11:52 PM
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Well, in fairness I made a disclaimer that this was a single video a long time ago. I haven't even thought of the man in almost two years. That said, I am pretty sure I recalled the message of the video correctly. And even if I did not, I mentioned in another comment that I found a video from him yesterday that was extremely anti male in its messaging. And I wasn't even looking for it specifically; it came up as part of a "scattershot" search for a video of him supposedly doing something else th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/25 11:11 AM
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This isn't exactly on topic, but listening to this "therapist" (and realizing the underlying reasons behind his unacceptable mindset towards his male clients) reminds me of an extremely nasty argument I had many years ago--in a YouTube comments section no less--about child abuse victims. The topic was about parents who aren't blatantly cruel themselves but allow their spouse to abuse the child(ren) and cover for the abuser and thwart efforts to help the victim. This one guy started mocking child…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/25 03:48 PM
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Thanks I appreciate it. I wasn't able to follow the link, but I was able to find the video on an alternate source. This is precisely why I despise male feminists and consider them irredeemable traitors. Not only did he defend that woman's abhorrent behavior---that not even a lot of other feminist leaning people could excuse--he had the cast iron audacity to ask for understanding and empathy for her. Just disgusting behavior from someone who shouldn't even be allowed to call themselves a man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/25 12:35 PM
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I tried to find where he defended her, but I can't find it--particularly since I don't even know what search terms to put in to find it. Would you mind elaborating a little, I'm genuinely curious. Secondly, I'm not surprised at all. While searching for his defense of that woman, I stumbled across one of his videos giving "advice" for men who have to deal with misandrist women. He basically told them to take it on the chin and verbatim "if you don't accept responsibility for the collective harm m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/25 11:34 AM
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Oh my god. I followed your link and this guy is just...I don't have words. I'm no therapist myself, but I think he genuinely needs therapy before he goes anywhere near vulnerable men Some commenters called it out too; he projects his issues with his abusive father onto men as a whole, so when he speaks to them, he's dressing down his father. That would explain why he always sides with the woman in the relationship. What a pathetic individual, worthy of nothing but contempt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/25 10:44 AM
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I think someone else talked about him in detail, but I'll give it a go. Granted it will be somewhat vague since I haven't thought about him in a long time, and so some details have been lost to time. When I discovered him, it was through a video addressed to female viewers about how meaningless their male partners' efforts were. Essentially it went like this---you know how many women want men to go to therapy, help out more, be "emotionally intelligent"? Well, Jeff was saying to his female viewe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/25 10:33 AM
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Man, I haven't thought about TherapyJeff in a long time. I hate that guy with a passion. I came across him completely by accident due to one of his videos coming across my recommends. The only good thing that man did was really draw my attention to the phenomenon of male content creators that built their fanbase on catering to misandrist women, which in itself helped me better understand how men betray ourselves on a daily basis.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/25 05:44 PM
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I would argue that there was never any goodwill towards men, but that's beside the point, plus it's rather petty in this context. I definitely remember when misandry really began to leach into mainstream culture and take off into a sprint (or at least when I perceive it to have happened). It actually coincides with my "awakening" to social and political issues and why I initially began to study feminism to better understand it. This may sound bad, but...one thing I will never forget, nor will I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 08:12 PM
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So I'm going to say something that might go against the grain here, but I think that it serves the interests of men's issues. I agree that an environment of socially sanctioned misandry has eaten away at men and boys' sense of self. Worse still, it has conditioned us to accept the ceaseless degradation that accompanies what I call "atonement culture". With that said, this harmful and pathetic status quo cannot entirely be laid at the feet of feminists. Men ourselves are largely to blame for the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 02:19 PM
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i guess it is gynocentrism? im not sure if thats what you mean but if that is the case then we are kind of cooked in that front, too much biology and social conditioning to turn back tho Well, I don't exactly like using that word, but yes I would say you are correct in this case. However I don't see that as a reason to despair or give up hope. As I said in my original comment, I see this as similar to racism---while the manifestations of it may vary, being afraid, wary and distrustful of that wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/25 11:27 AM
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I wish I could copy paste a massive essay length comment I made on another sub answering this question, but alas I'm in the office and can't find it so I'll have to give a somewhat cliffnotes version. Basically it's a mixture of biology and socialization or as I call it nature that became nurture. I think humans are biologically programmed to prioritize female life and wellbeing over everything---in fact I believe we are programed to prioritize them even over children, but that is a whole separa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/25 08:29 PM
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Well, as I said, I think our issue is that we have a fundamental difference in how we see the world, and I did not expect to change your mind. Speaking bluntly though, I think your outlook is one that only benefits our opposition rather than really enables any meaningful change. Morality aside, the simple fact is that people do not change unless some stimulus or pressure compels them to do so. Men continuing to aid in women's causes will not convince those hateful parties to stop their misandris…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/25 12:31 PM
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Of course women can and we should amplify their voices but that doesn’t mean men can’t speak up for them too The problem is that there seems to be a large gap in terms of reciprocity when it comes to this sort of thing. Yes there are women who speak out in favor of men (and I will say that they are particularly good about bringing the hammer down when it comes to female on male SA and/pedophilia). But in terms of opposition to the casual and socially sanctioned anti male attitudes that have perm…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:54 AM
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It's a derogatory slang term for a powerful successful woman. But not powerful and successful in a positive or even neutral way; "girlbosses" are usually portrayed as women who have achieved their success through triumphing over men. Their glory is only partially rooted in their achievements, the other half is based on how much of a middle finger their existence is to their male counterparts. Furthermore, they flaunt an arrogant "the future is female" type of superiority and often engage in gend…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 04:49 PM
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But...there is no nuance, or at least so little that there may as well not be any. And I say this as someone who has educated himself on the myriad forms of feminism, including the ones listed in the OP. It's actually one of the reasons why I have such a hardline opinion. OP downplayed it a lot in my opinion, but some form of patriarchy theory lies at the core of the feminist movement. The idea of men as "the transgressors" against women, whether it be purposeful, accidental or just through some…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/25 02:48 PM
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I don’t think it’s because the left sees men as monsters (even though some may) I just wanted to weigh in here, because you are touching on a point that I have mentioned and explored in terms of how "the Left" (speaking in generalities) sees men as a group. The Left doesn't hate men per se, but a lot of leftists do see men an oppressor class. As you (and most other people here) know, a foundational part of leftist thought is siding with the underdog/oppressed and championing justice for them. Pa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/25 10:45 AM
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I think you have it backwards: If you do to them what you perceive they are doing to you then you are no better than them But that's just the thing---I'm not proposing that we do the same thing to them. I am not proposing a purposeful increase in misogyny or anti female behavior and rhetoric. I in no way shape or form advocate for men's groups speaking about women the same way that feminists speak about men as a group. And I never once, in this thread or anywhere else, have advocated for that. W…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/25 01:36 AM
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As odd as it will sound I was raised with 2 brothers by a single Mom. Similar story here; I was raised alongside my younger brother by my mother and grandmother (her mother). Our father is definitely in the picture but for a number of reasons--divorce + long distance--hus physical presence was not a regular thing. I will--and have in the past--absolutely defend the women I care about from and over any man. But I also recognize that I am a male human and thus have a certain vested interest and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 04:02 PM
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He won't answer you, or if he does, it will be repetetive and snarky bs. I've been down this road before. I don't know what his issue is, but this guy sides with women/feminism in every way and his loyalty is absolute. Years ago I engaged in a similar debate where I basically said something similar; that there is no excuse for a certain action, regardless of whether a man does it ti a woman or vice versa. And all he could do was say that a woman has the right to do whatever she wants if she feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 02:50 PM
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Feminists can (and probably do) use the same argument to justify not calling out misandry. No, actually they don't; their arguments are far more arrogant and--speaking from my own subjective opinion--immoral. The arguments feminists use to avoid speaking out against misandry range from denying it exists in the first place, to downplaying it's effects by reducing it to mere hurt feelings, to justifying it as "deserved" because men are the oppressor class and women are the oppressed. Never once in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/25 02:59 PM
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This entire comment thread. I thought we were supposed to be egalitarian?? Sounds like a lot of people here just want the shoe to be on the other foot. Y'know...kinda like what we've been accusing feminists of doing. I debated posting this, but I figure I'll go for it. I take issue with your viewpoint of that linked thread and I think (as someone participating in it) that you massively misrepresented what was being said there, by a huge margin. The point of the thread was pointing out the hypocr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/25 02:00 PM
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I don't expect to change your mind; I've encountered enough people with your general mindset that I've realized it is something foundational that cannot be changed, at least not in an internet debate. But I want to convey how see things. This: This isn’t transactional Is wholly incompatible with And in that world women also must be accountable for their shitty behavior. This. The model you propose, where men call out other men and "police" our behavior on behalf of women in a "non-transactional"…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 11:46 PM
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Because that's not allyship, that's coercion. I This may be something of a "hot take", but here goes. It'd certainly far from the most controversial opinion I've shared on here over the years. Very few people who use the term "ally" or "allyship" actually have any real understanding of what that means. And that's giving them the benefit of the doubt; my less charitable interpretation is that they know the difference and just feel entitled to punching bags and servants from a group of people they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 08:41 PM
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Only when they are willing to do the same. Until then we have far more important things to dedicate our limited resources, time, and overall "change the world energy" to. The current expectation--where we need to do good for them, and they are not obligated to do anything for us--is parasitic in the extreme and has zero place in an egalitarian or fair world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 08:33 PM
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Perhaps not, but I absolutely fault them---actually that's a pretty huge understatement---for pulling the hatred and grievances of the past into the present, and worst of all acting as if they experienced whatever poor treatment and oppression great-granny suffered as if it were their own. It's basically stolen valor, and unearned hatred for people who did not deserve the spite directed at them in the first place. Spiteful posts like the OP do nothing except fan the flames of hatred, which will …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:37 AM
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Why can’t we just do good for goods sake rather than for some alterior trade off or ultimatum? I'm going to be completely blunt here: This attidue is the feeding mechanism of a parasite, and is very typical of these types of conversations. This topic (abortion rights support exchange for feminists supporting men's reproductive rights or just toning down their misandrist rhetoric) is an old topic here and on other subs too. Not just that, but the concept of leveraging "allyship" for better treatm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/25 03:37 PM
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I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here. Do you disagree with my opinion or do were you just expressing distaste for the idea of homogenous idealogy based on gender/class/etc? I definitely do not want all men to think the same, that's for sure. We would lose a great deal of unique thought that is invaluable to solving our problems. What I do want is for men to put 100 percent or at least 99 percent of our focus on our issues and allow women and their allies to do the same with theirs…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/25 10:56 AM
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You just said I had a simple/unnuanced outlook. The unnuanced opinion I spoke of was when you said "Men set things up in their best interest", whereas I believe that many of our current systems have their roots in times when survival was all that mattered, not rights or oppression, let alone the deeply subjective concepts of morality that we use to measure if these gender and power dynamics have the right to still exist. I have actually read a number of early feminist authors and I still stand b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 04:36 PM
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No, she's one that I haven't read. I'm also not too familiar with gnosticism so I'm unfortunately not able to relate how feminism connects with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 04:12 PM
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Let's use leftists as an example. Just bc there are accelerationists and/or people who only engage on cultural issues doesn't negate the principles. The existence of tankies doesn't mean the Marxist are wrong That's not really the same thing. Feminism is not "just" the belief that men and women deserve equal rights and consideration in society. One of the foundational beliefs of the movement is in the idea that men are women's oppressors. While this aspect of feminism may bend and alter itself d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 03:20 PM
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Respectfully I think this is a very naive take on things. I don't know your experiences--obviously--and I don't want to take on the cliche/edgy I've seen things that would turn your hair white... tone, but...well... In nine years of involvement with "gender politics" I have had encounters and experiences with male and female feminists that defy any positive beleifs I ever held about the movement, let alone basic morality and the relationship between men and women. One of many unpleasant observat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 02:34 PM
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You can't be a feminist and simultaneously want what's best for both men and women, though. Thank you. I wish people would stop peddling this lie, although I understand why they do so. It's naivety at my most charitable, and cold-blooded manipulation at worst. You cannot be a feminist, male or female, and want what's best for both sides, since the foundation of feminism is that men are the oppressor class of women and the world. Even if one starts out on that path with the best of intentions, so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 11:03 AM
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Very well said. This is why I'm very much what I call a "gender nationalist" when it comes to men's issues. It's very simple---I want men's problems to be solved. Anything that does so is good, anything that does not or opposes our gender is bad. It's just that simple. I no longer care about the minutae of how our efforts negatively or positively affect any other gender identities; they can thrive or burn and I wouldn't lose a moment's sleep as long as we come out on top. I used to believe---fro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 10:57 AM
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I both agree and disagree with this assessment. While our political differences and disagreements are certainly a hurdle (and a sometimes insurmountable one at that), I think that this is only one facet of a much more pervasive issue. The problem is that men simply do not care about other men's wellbeing in the same way women care about other women's. I'd even go as far as to say that men care more about women than they do other men, to the point where even staunch male advocates will hesitate t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/25 10:38 AM
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Lol yes. A few years ago, on another sub, I pointed out how a lot of this rhetoric had a lot in common with the narcissist's prayer, especially the last bit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 03:41 PM
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So, it seems that I was right that our differences lie mainly in our sense of how we view other people and our morality/empathy (for lack of a better word). I can respect that, even if I massively disagree with you. I'm not going to try to persuade you to my side of thinking, since I feel that would be somewhat disrespectful in this context. However, I do want to share an anecdote that might help put some of my admittedly harsh outlooks into perspective so that you can maybe gain a clearer under…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 03:35 PM
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Perhaps it is a difference in experience, but from reading your reply I also would venture that it is a difference in how we see responsibility and perhaps our level of empathy/compassion. I don't mean the following to sound accusatory (just making this disclaimer since tone doesn't carry over text), it's just an observation on why we may differ on how we see feminists in addition to experiences with them: You seem to be very willing to paint feminists as hapless souls swept up in malevolent pro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 02:15 PM
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Like, I truly think the average feminist really is the egalitarian like they say they are I don't believe that for a minute, although I definitely used to. No, to me there is no such thing as a "good" feminist when it comes to men's issues and problems. I don't think that all feminists hate men, but one of the foundational ideas of feminism itself is that we live in a patriarchy (or at least the crumbling ruins of one) and that for most of human history men have oppressed women in ways as subtle…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 01:23 PM
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Exactly. It's actually funny if I push aside the anger and overall hopelessness it triggers in me when I realize how vast the gulf between the two sides is. There are times when I've literally seen these people deny some of the outright hateful attitudes and rhetoric towards men...when there are highly upvoted users making those points in the exact same thread this denial is taking place in. Like I said, it's so absurd it may as well be funny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 01:16 PM
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And then when men inevitably turn against them due to this poor treatment and messaging (because who could have ever seen such a thing coming) the reaction isn't to cut back on the hostility or even to wonder what was done wrong that alienated such a large--and diverse!--group of people. No, instead there is outrage and wounded fury as if some terrible injustice was done to them. How dare men not side with the people who view them, regardless of their circumstances, as the oppressor class who mu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/25 09:11 PM
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I feel like you created a point that I didn't make and then proceeded to argue with it. My entire comment was just explaining why the OP likely forbade "moral arguments" on this thread and my experiences with how these appeals to morality are often twisted and used to make people--men in this case--actually outside our best interests through targeting our sense of morality. Even in the context of my examples I wasn't arguing for the widespread poor treatment of women, as much as I was talking ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:30 AM
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You're welcome, I was just trying to give some perspective on why someone would be against such arguments. I’d want to support it if it were to make their lives better, even if I gain nothing. Like if there was a push to have male only centers or safe spaces for assaults/abuse/whatever, why wouldn’t I support that even if I technically get no benefit myself? It’s about helping people. That is definitely a noble mindset to have. For med, it's less about actively fighting again something that help…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 02:24 AM
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I'm obviously not OP but I do understand why he (I presume it's a he) made a specific rule against "moral arguments". A lot of time when topics like this come up on Reddit or the internet in general, the "women's side" (regardless of whether they are actual women or men arguing with other men on behalf of women) tend to resort to appeals to one's "softer" emotions. Appeals to empathy, sympathy, compassion, protectiveness, decency, etc. But these arguments are often framed in ways intended to sol…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:43 PM
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I'm curious, under your paradigm when do male children grow old enough that they become unworthy of your compassion? Age ten? Twelve (because that seems to be when it starts to wane in a lot of cases). Or is it more behavior/physical characteristic based; they become men unworthy of your care when they start demonstrating facial hair, a deepened voice, or begin acting like adolescents rather than children?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:56 PM
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Huh. If I'd come across your post sooner I wouldn't have bothered writing out mine 🤣. This is exactly what I'm worried about; there is a massive pendulum swing occurring, not just in areas related to gender, but race, sexual orientations, etc. There was a massive push to right so many previous wrongs but it was done in a horrible "culture of atonement" kind of way that just spawned an immense pool of hatred in groups of people who were either left out of the light or worse branded as oppressors …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:11 PM
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Personally I'd rather just have a healthy child free of any genetic flaws or mental illness. Considering my genes that would be a dream come true. So as long as that happens I don't care about their sex. But I do think this is a good question and have thoughts on it, so I'll answer it according to those. I think I'd rather have a girl to be honest. Right now there is a tremendous amount of social care, effort and overall goodwill on behalf of women. You can find it everywhere from media to polit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:05 PM
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I'm not trying to be snarky or sarcastic but you are literally proving the point I made. You would rather metaphorically die than use a technique you find distasteful because it offends your sense of honor. I was wrong about morality (although to be fair the moral argument is the one I run into a lot) but the concept is the same. It isn't about what serves my sense of pride, it is about what is practical and helps. Using tears to win an argument is a bad example because it unlikely to work and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 02:51 PM
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You should hold yourself above the standards/argumentative strategies of feminists or you’re just doing the same shit they’re doing. We should aim to be better. I'm sorry but this is classic "honor before reason" logic. It's the equivalent of being attacked by someone with a knife but because you are dedicated to only using your fists to fight, refusing to pick up a weapon in defense. Thus getting yourself cut to ribbons at best and killed at worst. "We need to be better" just gives the other si…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 10:41 AM
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No problem. I agree with you. Great, I just wanted to avoid giving the impression I disagreed/was starting an argument. I have a somewhat different theory on the origin of the current gender wars that has little to do with dating/sex but I can understand in the context of this sub why that aspect gets focused on. Personally this is my observation. Well, a highly condensed version at least: Sometime around 2015-2016 (or at least this is when I became aware of it) there was a sweeping movement in …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:36 AM
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There’s shitloads of media that is overtly misogynistic and makes fun of women, disparages them, makes sweeping generalizations about them, reduces them to props in their own stories. Would you mind giving some contemporary examples? A lot of older media certainly meets this criteria but I feel like it's nearly unheard of in the 2020s, unless one really applies a mercilessly critical lens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:04 AM
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I think you're misunderstanding what I said. The point I made was that the Roe v Wade debacle gets unfairly blamed for "starting" the gender wars by both sides of the divide. People act as if women suddenly became hostile to men because of it, or will vaguely acknowledge problems that existed prior, but argue that "this is when things got really bad!" I'm stating that this is a highly inaccurate viewpoint. Anti male beliefs and rhetoric had already infested our political, media, educational and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 11:37 PM
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I think that the whole abortion rights thing is actually a big factor creating even more divisiveness in 2025, I definitely think you're right, I just want to get that out of the way first. What I will say is that I take issue with people pinning the rollback of abortion rights in the US as some kind of flashpoint for division and even hatred between men and women. Did it make things vastly worse and perhaps even push us over the point of no return? Yes, most assuredly. But that was nowhere near…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:04 PM
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I wouldn't have phrased it quite this bluntly or used such a blanket generalization, but yes I do agree with the OP on this 100 hundred percent. I have encountered hundreds upon hundreds of iterations of this behavior over the years and it truly disgusts me down to the core. With that said, I'm actually curious about why this behavior exists and what drives it (I've actually asked a few good faith questions about it here, with mixed results). I do have my theories on where it comes from and why,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 04:53 PM
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Same here. I find it incredibly insulting and condescending that so many of them think we were "radicalized by anti SJW videos on YouTube''. No, my animosity towards them came from reading their theories, and more so seeing how they behave and treat men and boys, including their own so called loved ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/25 11:20 PM
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Care to explain why this advice ruffles your feathers so much? Or are insults and ad hominems your only mode of communication. I have a few guesses as to why you're so bothered, but I want to hear your reasoning first.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/25 09:50 PM
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I've never suffered from internalized misandry but my response to watching society around me grow increasingly anti male might help in this area, at least somewhat. I've essentially developed a position that can best be summed up as "my gender, right or wrong". Simply put, I am a man therefore I want men's issues solved and I do not care how it has to be done. I do not care about the reasons people may have to oppose or hate men, they are meaningless no matter how "sympathetic" they may be. Neve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/25 04:41 PM
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"Panic Activism" is an amazingly good way to phrase it. I liken this phenomenon to an situation where you have abusive parents who mistreat one of their children while lavishing care on the other. Then one day they realize that there is a likelihood of severe backlash against them and their favorite child by the abused one, so they immediately begin to mimic compassion and empathy for the abused and ignored child as a way to pragmatically avert or forestall a household revolt. While I understand…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/25 10:51 AM
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I'm going to speak in metaphors here: You sound like you wanted men to take a proverbial slap in the face, acknowledge that it hurt and then think "Wow, I really need to do better so I don't get slapped again". But that's not what happened because that is not how men (or humans really) work. Instead the slapper got their arm broken in retaliation and you think it's unfair because the slap was justified and the response disproportionate. Here's the thing--in the real world it doesn't matter how r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 11:50 PM
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I couldn't agree more with you, although I don't share your fear for the future of women (which I'll elaborate on later). I think all of this stems back to the sudden (so sudden that I truly wonder what triggered it) to right historical wrongs and injustices that were so omnipresent throughout western society. The unfortunate byproduct was that it gave a sort of moral pass to certain people to be more easily forgiven of their nastiness, and if you combine that with the women are wonderful effect…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 07:09 PM
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I will first of all say that I agree that this shows how society views men. More specifically this is akin to last year's "man vs bear" debacle in which a staggering number of people revealed themselves to adhere to the You need to accept this insult against your kind without complaint or you are one of the bad ones school of thought. This is no different; if anything the discourse around the tea app has only further proved my belief that men and women--as groups--are not friends, we are separat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/25 11:01 AM
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I actually have to thank you for saying that, as weird as it sounds. Every once in a while I forget that men and women are two different groups of people akin to rival countries. Ultimately while individuals can form strong and wonderful bonds, we are the furthest thing from friends or allies as a whole. Every time I see something like this (or far worse, to be honest) I'm reminded that men's interests should be the first priority for us, just as women's are for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:34 PM
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I haven't either, but then again my exposure to Pearl is more through women making fun of her or bitterly cursing her as a traitor. Either way I wasn't exactly talking about physical attraction. Take what I said about the women who will gush over their boyfriends being in agreement with their misandrist ideologies. They are deeply enamored with the idea of a man who hates his own gender just as much as they do (or at least pretends to) and they find it an attractive trait in and of itself. Like …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:08 PM
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Like bro she ain't gonna fuck you Except that this isn't entirely true. I've seen countless examples of women flocking to men who bend over backwards to agree with the most unhinged and misandrist rhetoric said online and in fact find that to be a huge part of what draws them to the man in question. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a woman talk about how her boyfriend/husband is completely in agreement that "men are trash" or "men are the problem and need to do better/atone". Heck ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:04 PM
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society is increasingly concerned about young men. No, society is increasingly concerned about the danger young, disaffected men pose to its order and wellbeing. While there are people who are genuinely worried about the steady downward spiral afflicting men and boys, most look at it from a selfish perspective and fear that these male humans will do something that harms/interferes with their interests. I've used this analogy before, but think of it like two abusive parents with a son and daughte…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 11:01 PM
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While I agree with everything said here, I feel as if the conclusion is slightly "backwards" for lack if a better word. There is abjectly zero doubt in my mind that many attempts at male unity are punished or if not outright punished, targeted in ways meant to pry them apart from within. . I've heard those who do these things outright admit to fearing/hating male focused spaces due to the perceived threat they pose, and being willing to resort to some of the most vile methods imaginable to squas…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 03:03 PM
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First of all, this comment I made got a lot more attention and replies than I ever expected, so I'm sorry I wasn't really paying attention to it. I wanted to address this one in particular since you touched upon something really fascinating. Insisting upon using logic in a conversation, especially one about social and political issues, is not toxic at all quite the opposite in fact. However--as you said--where the problems occur is when the idea of "logic" is weaponized against the person who is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/25 10:22 AM
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I know this a bit if a tangent from the OP (and I'm sorry for that) but I always wonder what the "progenitor" of this particular manipulation tactic is. It's clearly a clever strategy to obtain compliance from men, it plays into a lot of our emotional and mental weaknesses from our socialization and biology like keys to a lock. But where did it spring from? Did a group of women just sit down one day and hatch it in order to make life easier for themselves? Or did it just spring up organically in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/25 05:15 PM
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So in other words "both sides" agree that men still have to rigidly conform to male gender roles, they just disagree on the wording and messaging. It's actually more depressing than that, if you can believe it! 🫠 In my opinion, one of the few things the Right gets "right" is gender roles. Not because I think traditional gender roles are inherently correct, it's because they are inherently fair. In an idealized traditional setting, the man goes out and does the work, performs the more physically …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/25 09:21 PM
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How is the left opposed/offended by the idea of self-improvement? They aren't exactly, at least not from what I've seen/experienced anyway. Certainly not where mencand boys are concerned at least; they actually are quite vocal on ways we can improve ourselves and become better. It's the type of improvement that I'd argue is drastically different between the two sides. And I don't just mean things like "The right focuses on discipline and power while the left champions empathy and emotional matur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/25 08:52 PM
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I do understand what you're saying, but I think there is some nuance to be had here. There is a razor thin (and quite subjective!) line between trying to advocate for oneself and playing victim, and it is not always easy to walk. Making things even more complicated (and really this is my main point), we live in a society where victimhood has become a potent social currency. If you can prove that you or your social group has suffered a systemic injustice, then you stand to gain a "reward" of sort…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 02:36 PM
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It doesn't have to be a competition but lots of men seem determined to make it one. We are only reacting to an environment we were placed in, you can't exactly fault us for that. Well, you could but it wouldn't make a lot of sense. Men overall did not foster a situation in which each gender's privileges were weighed against each other and the one found to have "more" was deemed the morally inferior one, the "oppressor" who needed to atone, to be brought low, and make up for centuries of imaginar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 11:52 AM
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I genuinely appreciate posts like these; it lets me know that there are sane people still left in the world. Unfortunately the "oppression olympics" is the symptom if a much larger and more deeply entrenched sickness, and until that is addressed, it will continue unabated. But I do like the idea that others are starting to acknowledge how unproductive and worse it is to constantly war over whose life is more miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:16 PM
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It's definitely a product of being insulated from any disagreement combined with viewing any opinion apart from their own as a "threat" and "the enemy" which creates a rather vicious seige mentality. Hilariously that'd exactly what I was talking about writ large in American politics. I sometimes wonder if we've even scratched the surface of the dangerous long term effects these echo chambers have on human minds. I've seen people say some of the most heinous things imaginable based on their sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:47 PM
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Yes, it most definitely does. Also, I didn't notice this until just now but I find it hilarious that while I'm having a mutually constructive and agreeable conversation with someone, apparently I've unknowingly angered some people who are salty enough to downvote every one of my responses. It's so petty and so on brand for this sub and just reddit in general that I had to laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:23 PM
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There's definitely a middle ground to be reached when it comes to the number of political parties, that's for sure. Too many and people are both overwhelmed with choices and their overall power is diluted until it becomes meaningless. Too few and you end up with the US situation where you end up smashed shoulder to shoulder with Neo-Nazis if you want better immigration control or involuntarily holding hands with people who think your gender is the root of all evil if you want affordable Healthca…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:13 PM
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At the risk of being off topic, I think that one of the contributing factors to the situation in the US is the two party system. It essentially forces people from all across the political spectrum into two "tightly packed spaces" which then means whichever is loudest and strongest seizes control and leads the way. Again I know little of Norwegian politics but your earlier description just took me aback and it isn't the first time I've been awed and a little jealous of the variety available in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:39 PM
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I didn't want to assume, but I suspected you weren't American by the way you described certain things. I don't know much about Norwegian politics, but I can say as an American that it is far more vicious here when it comes to people's political affiliations, especially of late. People will literally tear apart decades old friendships over finding out a person voted for a certain candidate or worse their own families. And each side of the divide acts with their own brand of insufferable self righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:18 PM
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This is an election year so me and my bf talked about who we've voted for earlier, and thats about 6 months in I find the increasing discussion between partners about who they voted for to be both disturbing and fascinating in equal measure. The way I was raised was that your vote was pretty much secret and sacrosanct. Now, you are expected to vote period or face backlash (I was once literally threatened with being ejected from the house because I did not want to vote at all in one election) but…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:01 PM
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This question actually made me think a bit. Upon some introspection, I'd actually say that it hasn't affected my politics much at all in terms of who and what I vote for--the US two party system after all. I believe in left wing values in terms of the creation of an overall better country to live in---affordable housing, healthcare, livable wages, etc ( I tend to be more right wing in terms of "law and order"/prison reform but that would take some time to explain and isn't relevant to the questi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 04:52 PM
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No, and I never will. One of the foundational beliefs of feminism is that men are the oppressor class, a force that has tormented and enslaved women since time immemorial. Whatever else it has said and done, this is an insanely anti male belief and it poisons the way anyone who holds it sees the men and boys in their lives. I don't think all feminists hate men, but every last one I've come across has held at least some negative viewpoint of men, it just expresses itself in different ways. I'm ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:50 AM
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I had to think for a while before replying to this so apologies for that. I want to preface what I'm about to say with the disclaimer that this may sound very misanthropic and "edgy", but it they are my real feelings about the matter. Anyway... I'm not sure if you are talking about male disposability alone or the wider issue I mentioned on Quora, but here are my thoughts on the wider problem of people feeling entitled to the control and sacrifice of others. Human beings crave domination at our v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/25 01:34 AM
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This isn't to take away from your overall point, but this should be said. Quora has some of the most unhinged and frankly cruel and inhumane responses to questions that I have ever come across. There are more of these types of answers on Reddit, but Quora's bad comments are almost legendary. The worst I can think of was when someone asked about how to process the resentment and overall psychological pain she felt for her parents due to them pressuring/borderline forcing her to donate a kidney to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/25 03:18 PM
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I like how you tried to "subtly" slide in the incel accusation as if I was complaining about a lack of attention from women when in fact I never once mentioned anything of the kind in my complaint about the dynamics between the sexes. My issues have literally nothing to do with dating. What I'm talking about is the current trend wherein women are free to say all sorts of unhinged and outright hateful things about men and when men express any number of negative emotions about it (regardless of ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 09:32 PM
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But neither option will result in a benefit. That's not true at all. Let me give an example: A person lives in a house with their incredibly abusive and hateful spouse. Despite every insult, blow and humiliating experience inflicted on them by their partner, this person tries their hardest to be a good husband/wife. They may even see the harm their abuser inflicts as somehow their fault for some current or past transgression. This mindaet causes an immense degree of psychological harm in additio…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:05 PM
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The optimistic interpretation is that he's a troll. That's disgusting behavior but it would mean he's not about to disintegrate from self loathing like his posts and comments imply. I tend to take people's words seriously online (unless it's so obviously over the top or trolling) so perhaps I'm just feeding the troll. But I've met so many hollow shells of men who act like this that I'd actually be shocked if this was a troll. Maybe they're just stirring the pot, maybe (as you say you were) they …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 07:02 PM
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And you sympathize with someone who gruesomely altered someone's life forever over a damned joke. You lost any claim to rationality and moral high ground at that point. You're just a disgusting gender traitor and criminal sympathizer. Honestly I try to look at men like you as problems to be solved rather than people; it lessens my rage and disgust and lets me look at the issue with an analytical lens. You and those with your belief system represent a massive male issue in and of itself, the lack…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 06:50 PM
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You know, I have never done this before in all my 11 years on Reddit, but here we are. I looked into your comment history and I saw you handwaving/minimizing the woman who set her male friend on fire due to a sexist joke. Plus the other assorted self hating male comments you've made on other issues. I can see why you would struggle to understand why people here have a problem with the male oppressor/female oppressed dynamic feminists push, because you so throughly believe in it that you are will…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 06:40 PM
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You know, I kind of feel like apologizing to you. I thought this response was harsh and even bordering on cruel bullying and was contemplating saying something to you about it. ...then I read some of OP's comments in this thread and (although I rarely do it) went into his comment section and my god. Nothing but "men have issues but we are the problem", and even worse he justifies a woman setting a man on fire over a sexist joke with the usual "I know what she did was bad, but I can't judge her d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 06:35 PM
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Men don't acknowledge women's struggles ever. There's a guy on this very thread talking about how men are morally obligated to care about women's problems while women are explicity not, because men's problems are lesser and often caused by other men. And he's not some unique outlier, I can't count how many times I've come across men with these types of opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 11:20 AM
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I mean this as respectfully as possible, but I think this is an incredibly unhealthy and damaging mindset. What's so terrible about it is how deceptively good it sounds---and perhaps there isn't any deception, perhaps it's more along the lines that you are proposing an idealistic solution in a world that devours that idealism and craps it out. To dispense with metaphors, this attitude of "humbly accepting hatred" is the reason so many men just submit to what is essentially verbal and even psycho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/25 01:59 PM
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I've said this a lot (so often in fact that I feel guilty, like I'm spamming a copypasta) but I think this is relevant to your comment. This certainly helped give me perspective on why there is such friction towards men in left leaning ideologies. Anyway... I do agree with you that men are not hated by the left, but it isn't exactly much better. Men are not specifically despised by left leaning movements, but there is a great deal of derision, disdain and yes hatred towards us that is condoned b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 11:10 PM
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No. Hatred should be met with hatred. The type of people described in the OP feed on the good nature of their betters. Show them kindness or understanding and they will use it to either convince themselves that they are right to be misandrist or worse break you down and over time make you believe that their sob stories justify their behavior. What they need is to receive so much hatred in return that they back down out of self preservation.
/r/MensRights02/05/25 01:32 AM
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I don't know if it's exactly related to princess syndrome or at least it isn't related to what I understand of the term. What I was talking about wasn't exactly about men spoiling their daughters and teaching them that they are owed their every desire, it was more about the way certain men with daughters (or other close female loved ones) behave towards men. For example---it's a perfectly good thing, a moral responsibility really, for a father to become invested in making the world a better plac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 04:30 PM
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So, I don't know much about Logan Paul apart from knowing he's a controversial figure so I had to go on the comments section (which is renowned for its mature and consoles debates and civil discourse /s) to get a feel for what I'm dealing with. From what I gather, Paul just had a daughter (or will have a daughter?). So while I deeply agree with the point of the OP--and have made it myself in fact--I don't know if this is the best example of it. It does however point out another rather complex an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 01:51 PM
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I don't know if I'd call it a "rule", but considering the title...🤷🏾‍♂️ I'd nominate valuing the wellbeing of "women" as a collective over the wellbeing of their male loved ones. I've seen this take multiple forms over the years, some of them that just involve being a crappy friend/sister/aunt/girlfriend/wife/mother and others that are absolutely heinous in nature. Lest anyone accuse me of being too vague, here are a few examples.... Expressing extreme worry over a male friend or relative (usual…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 11:06 PM
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Yes I read deeper into the thread to see your full opinion and let's say that while I can understand your thinking, we'll have to agree to disagree up to a certain point. Still, genuine thanks for taking the time to answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:58 PM
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But that doesn't even make sense. You think if a man is inexperienced but older and dates a woman who is younger but just as inexperienced then it's predation? It...literally doesn't make any kind of sense and I've read this response multiple times to see if I'm missing something.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 04:42 PM
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You're welcome. I didn't really expect this to get much attention, if any. The funny thing is that I've noticed this attitude my entire life, or at least since elementary school. But it was only around two years ago that I was able to actually put it into words and quantify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 12:10 AM
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It's such a slimy and manipulative way of getting someone to bow to your argument, putting them into a no-win situation where they demean themselves no matter what. Either "submit" and accept the blanket insult against their whole gender or they confirm in the woman's eyes that they are a misogynistic "just like all the rest". I think one of the worst parts about it is that this is a tactic designed specifically to entrap a certain type of man. It's men who, I imagine like you, who are progressi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 11:21 PM
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I didn't bring up abortion with the intent to talk about it and the moral/ethical debates behind it. I mentioned the repeal of Roe v Wade and the sudden demand that men help as an example of women asking for men's help with their issues. But fair enough, now I know what you were saying concerning infanticide and we can lay that topic to rest. As for the rest of your reply... I mean, yes, of course if the government did something to take away the rights of a large group of people, I'd expect them…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 07:07 PM
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abortion and infanticide has been practiced across cultures throughout human history when a community could not provide for the needs of another mouth. Catholic saints performed abortions and they were considered miracles. I make it a point to never ever engage in the Abortion Debate online, but I couldn't help it with this one. Did you...just conflate infanticide with abortion and then imply the former is just another thing we should be okay with since it's just something society does? I hope I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:33 PM
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Such as? The repeal of Roe v Wade is one that I can think of right off the bat. You had women who were famous (or infamous) for being ardent feminists and having pretty disparaging opinions on men and boys now publicly demanding men to speak up about abortion rights for women. Even on Reddit there was a mass "invasion" of a lot of male focused subs by female users (or male users posting on behalf of real life female loved ones) furiously demanding that the subs temporarily stop talking about men…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:47 PM
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Well, someone asked it so I'll answer I guess. Not all women obviously. All I can speak for is myself, but my one true issue with a lot of women is that they have an almost "armor plated" sense of self righteousness and moral superiority. Perhaps it overlaps with what people say about "accountability", but I have noticed many, many times that a lot of women will not only blame outside circumstances for poor or even cruel/evil behavior, but they will then turn around and make you the bad guy for …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 12:44 PM
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I almost wish I'd read this comment before I'd posted my own, because it lays out exactly how I feel in a far more eloquent and cutting manner than mine. Those who complain and panic about this are largely among the human trash who brought this outcome into existence. They had zero problems heaping disdain and demonization upon literal children (and in fact held themselves in quite high regards while doing so) and now that their hatred as come marching right back to their front door, they dare c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 10:27 PM
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Those who even know who he is. I remember back in 2022 when Tate was at the height of his controversial popularity (or at least it seemed that way to me) trying to have a real life conversation about him and what his presence indicated for society, and people not having the faintest idea what I was talking about. On the other hand, I was shocked to find my mother knew a great deal about him when he came up on an NPR story we were listening to. All that is to say I've had wildly mixed experiences…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 05:08 PM
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I definitely believe this phenomenon (if it even exists in the first place) is an overblown paper tiger, born from a feedback loop of anecdotes, ingrained prejudice and fear. But even if it did exist in its as-advertized severity, I couldn't feel less sympathy for the teachers "affected" if I tried; they can cry me a river of blood. I've said this more times than I can count, but the popularity of Andrew Tate and those of his ilk is only at such a fever pitch is because of the incessant demoniza…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 04:58 PM
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Then why are they always asking for men's help with their struggles, causes and efforts? That's the maddening thing. You make a very good point, in fact I agree with you completely---in a vacuum. Yet men are constantly asked (at times demanded) to help with women's problems. So why then shouldn't there be a similar dynamic in return? That's what so many people seem to struggle with, especially since the "reasons" given often amount to little more than chains of excuses, held together by a genero…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:28 PM
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I can understand what you mean and I even agree with some of your points. But with that said, I don't think that your method is a path to succes. Feminism is an inherently anti male ideaology and those who believe in its tenets are anti male themselves, regardless of their gender identity. People like that will never be anything but enemies of the male gender and you can rarely convince people to assist a group of people they consider to be their adversaries. In fact, your point about feminism b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/25 11:30 AM
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And why would that be?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/25 01:20 AM
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To be honest, I'm getting to the point where I hope more become his loyal followers, as in an astronomical amount. I want it to become so bad that society is essentially forced to hear the concerns of people who actually have the best interests of these boys and men in mind rather than those who see them as problems to be solved. And yes, I know Tate is a misogynistic influence and he causes or at least encourages his acolytes to engage in anti female and just anti social behavior. But I'm of th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/25 06:25 PM
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You know you actually have a point; it's poor form to downvote and "run" without at least some explanation. I personally downvoted you because I feel like you're quite dismissive of a massive issue being demonstrated in this post. This is not "gender war drama" of the online sort. This is a real kid being negatively mentally affected by misandrist rhetoric from a disgusting adult in a position of power. I have conversed with the kind of people the OP is talking about, although worse than the tea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/25 11:26 AM
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First of all I'm so sorry to hear about that. I admire your restraint as well, because I would be absolutely enraged if I had been in this situation and tempted to storm into the school to demand action against the "teacher" responsible, if not a face to face conversation with them myself. Which of course helps no one, least of all your nephew. I have never had to raise a young child so take what I say with a boulder of salt. I have run the thought experiment of what I would do with my own hypot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/25 11:15 AM
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I definitely agree with this and I think that this, along with men's culturally and yes biologically conditioned apathy for one another's wellbeing, is a major factor in why men's issues are not taken seriously or are constantly turned around to be used against us. So many men will twist themselves into metaphorical and almost literal knots just to be well regarded by women. And not just in the typical I want her to be attracted to me sense. I've seen it in gay men who are almost incapable of se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 01:20 PM
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If all your efforts to be some manly man just make people afraid of you or ruin your relationships with other people, it’s probably worth reexamining them. This has absolutely nothing to do with trying to be a "manly man". Literally nothing whatsoever. It is about understanding who and what you are, and the hard boundaries around that. Let me explain: I happen to be black (well, black/native american). If someone came at me with racist language, I would hate them and likely respond with vicious …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:43 PM
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Could you grovel any harder? I think it's okay (within imits) to have empathy and compassion for women's issues, but looking at this comment and the others you left, you're taking it to levels that are completely absurd. "Oh woe! We men are a scourge upon humanity! The dark half! No wonder women hate us, we deserve it!" I can't abide men who think like this. A huge chunk of our problems stem from men like you who just bow down the negative anti male sentiments that circulate around social media …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:15 PM
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This belief just shows their siege mentality. They view men as a conspiratorial group, who spur each other on to misogyny This is slightly off topic for the thread itself but your comment (at least this part) kind of sparked something in me. I think that the mindset you just described is why such a disturbing number of feminists and their sympathizers are so willing to target completely innocent people like boys with their hateful rhetoric or simply feel zero compassion or empathy when told that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/25 01:49 PM
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I know you probably didn't mean it, but I feel like you just proved the point about wanting men to silently accept misandry. Your entire premise hinges on the idea that men should accept negative generalizations about our gender as a whole, or more accurately we should accept the You're one of the good ones! treatment and take pride in being the token good men in a sea of shit. To be frank, I don't particularly care what kind of negative experiences you or your ancestors experienced; telling me …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:33 PM
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I don't understand this preoccupation with being "better" than feminists. If it's from a practical perspective (we need to be above board and hold ourselves to a high standard to better win hearts and minds), then by all means I agree with you. Anything else though...nah. Feminists don't follow anywhere close to the same rules when it comes to "low" methods--manipulation tactics, malevolent propaganda, outright hate speech and even cruelty towards the very vulnerable are all in their wheelhouse.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 07:53 PM
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Thank you for also providing some more context. I still think that the current actions/rhetoric towards lonely young men is an appalling act of demonization and I'm not exactly sure I agree with your summation of life "just" getting better for women while staying the same for men, I will say that I can understand through your explanation that this is just part of a much larger and older problem concerning the way men are looked at in the UK. I guess it's just shocking seeing some of this news an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/25 11:34 AM
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I realise I went on a bit of tangent but it's not exactly a short answer to that question No I don't mind, I anticipated it was a question that would require an in depth answer. I will say that as much as I don't know about the UK, you on the other hand have a great deal of insight into us (the US I mean). A great deal of our heated discourse revolves around race and gender, with comparatively tiny particles dedicated to class. I do take a bit of issue with your framing us as the "most misogynis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 10:13 PM
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I want to phrase this as gently and inoffensively as possible because I am asking a good faith question out of concern and curiosity. If there is anyone here from the UK or just someone who is familiar with its politics, can you maybe explain why there seems to be such calculated viciousness towards men and boys over there? It isn't exactly sunshine and rainbows over here in the US (completely the opposite, really) but from what I've been hearing over the last few weeks there seems to be a conce…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 07:22 PM
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I feel like I agree with this in theory, or at least on principle. I am very familiar with the male feminists are predators line of thought and I do think it is just one more brick in the wall of anti male rhetoric used to smear our gender. On the other hand entirely...I despise male feminists, especially those who support the more overtly anti male sentiment and use their status as a man to validate misandrists. I am not speaking hyperbolically when I say that I see them as traitors to their ow…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/25 12:30 AM
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I will say that is an interesting point of view and one I have heard before. I will acknowledge that it does seem to be one that benefits men's issues and gets people on board, and it was not the "women first" idea I was expecting. With that said...I cannot accept that kind of thinking at all. With all due respect I actually find it incredibly offensive. Not so much at you personally just the idea itself. We should not have to bow and scrape and downplay our issues to satisfy people we want to h…
/r/MensRights13/03/25 12:46 PM
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I brought the issue of men having it better off here because people need to realise that. This isn't an attempt at a "gotcha", I'm genuinely curious--what good do you think it will do men to "acknowledge how good we have it"? Are you trying to boost morale? Do you think it will make people less despondent and rally us to make things even better? Again I'm truly asking because I cannot see any benefit to it---well no benefit for men at least.
/r/MensRights13/03/25 12:30 PM
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This isn't a place to talk about the ways men have advantages in the world; it's a place to discuss men's problems and issues. There is absolutely zero reason for you to bring that here, unless it is to undermine those conversations. I am confident you would never go to a female focused sub and "remind them of their privileges". So why do it here, unless you're trying to sabotage what's being done? While I will admit that you don't seem to be as much of a "typical male feminist" as before, I sta…
/r/MensRights13/03/25 12:11 PM
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I’m all for men’s rights and women’s rights, and you’re talking like men’s rights should come first. I have to say, reading through this entire conversation between you two, you definitely don't sound like someone who supports "both sides". To be perfectly frank you sound like a typical male feminist---always on the side of women as a whole, looks at men as "the transgressor class" and is eager to find anything you can to prove it, and will leap to attack anything that even hints at speaking abo…
/r/MensRights13/03/25 10:29 AM
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u cant understand compassion or empathy if it doesnt benefit the person. Compassion and empathy for a group that never returns the sentiment and is actively against you is a parasitic relationship, with the empathic idiot as the host being sucked dry due to his own weakness. It should benefit the person extending sympathy and help; there should at least be some measure of reciprocation at work. You'd need a lot to convince me otherwise.
/r/MensRights12/03/25 03:17 PM
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It's the biggest men's issue there is, to be honest. It's the root of all of our struggles and I genuinely believe that until it is conquered or at least tamed, every effort to make things better for men and boys will collapse from the inside. Most male humans do not have the same empathy and care for others of our own gender that they do for women. This manifests in so many ways that I could sit here for literal years listing them all and still not be done. What the OP is talking about is only …
/r/MensRights11/03/25 07:07 PM
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. I would say that some of the feminisms are very hostile toward men, some are pretty neutral, and a few actually try to help men out. I guess it really does come down to personal experience, combined with what you're willing to tolerate/overlook. As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as a "good" feminist when it comes to men's issues and concerns. You are right in saying that they are not all hostile, but every last one of them harbors anti male beliefs and sentiments. Every single fe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 01:11 AM
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i agree with your take and will take the siblings analogy for later use Well first of all thank you. It was a convoluted analogy that I thought of on the spur of the moment (because the other more accurate analogy I had was a bit more brutal). I'm glad it got the point across. but do you have any idea about why are they even performing/acting out "empathy" for men now? like aside from some fear of men, specially disenfranchised or similar men lashing out, maybe it is a lack of votes for their po…
/r/MensRights09/03/25 07:22 PM
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So, I held my nose and read the article in full and I have to say that I'm disappointed beyond what I had expected going in. I disagree with the OP that this is even "performative" empathy, it's worse than that. I don't take pleasure in making this point (especially since I've called it out before in people on both sides of the divide) but I find myself saying it here. The "concern" for boys being expressed in the article isn't really concern for boys at all. Instead it is worry over the negativ…
/r/MensRights09/03/25 02:16 PM
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You know...while I don't agree with them, I'm starting to understand why that "The Sin of Empathy" movement is starting to pick up speed. I am sick and tired of being expected to give grace and compassion to people who do some of the most heinous things we can imagine without crossing into the realm of fantasy. It's always a litany of excuses as to why they committed their atrocities against people who never harmed them, always this idea that treating these barely human monsters as anything othe…
/r/MensRights05/03/25 07:57 PM
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I don't think that leftists hate men exactly as much as they despise anyone they see as belonging to an "oppressor class". The issue is that most left leaning ideologies have a heavy focus on an oppressor vs oppressed dynamic. Making things worse, there a lot of people who operate under this mindset have a "justice boner" for dealing out "punishment" to what they see as the oppressing group. That means they have little to no empathy for the problems of people who fall under this supposed oppress…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 02:39 PM
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Obama had to tiptoe around the zeitgeist of the time, which is when MeToo era was at its peak. I'm sorry but I have to push back a little on this one. I know you said that MeToo is no excuse for the abysmal way Obama handled messaging towards men, but I feel like even that is giving him a little too much leeway where this is concerned. To me, Obama's issue is that he is an out and out misandrist. In fact, he's a perfect representation of a certain type of male misandrist that I came to be famili…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/25 09:43 PM
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Well, first of all, I'm glad that you're doing that for your sons and it does give me hope that there are women trying to speak up for men's problems and issues. I don't deny that this is the case, I don't want it to come off like that. I'm not even saying that I believe there should be some arbitrary "allotment" of female help with men's problems that needs to be met before we help in return. I think it's that I feel that what women ask of men--in terms of "call out your bros/police other men"-…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 01:06 AM
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And what, exactly, will women do in return? I ask because I see this phenomenon a lot--women asking or in a lot of cases demanding for men to fight on their behalf. Not just engage in nebulous advocacy either; you want us to fight other men in your name, something that is already done, and is a pretty severe issue we struggle with. Yet never once have I ever seen an offer of reciprocity for this service. There is no vow to police the rampant anti male sentiment we see in modern society, no promi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 07:03 PM
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I...guess? I'm not really familiar with "breadtube" as such; I know a host of left leaning political influencers/content creators (Vaush, Hasan, Contrapoints, FD, etc) but I know them as individual forces not part of some collective whole. I just noticed the similarities of appearance and fashion in these male creators who sell the image of the "safe, nontoxic good guy who just gets it" to their female audience. I will say that I wondered at some point if a lot of them were basing their appearan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/25 11:56 AM
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There are of course a few outliers, but they tend to have the following traits: strategically messy/tousled hair, a mustache with no beard or at most a partially grown one. Their attire comes in two extremes, no middle ground: either they stick to rumpled t shirts and casual wear, like they're just lounging around the house. Or they dress in designer casual, clothes that look like they're old things salvaged from around the house but are well tailored and expensive. This is a general description…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/25 06:13 AM
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It was low hanging fruit and borderline body shaming so I avoided it, but yes I noticed that too. These I'm the one good man mocking my toxic brothers on your behalf, ladies type of creators always have a certain look to them. It's at the point that I can usually tell what I'm dealing with just from looking at the mustache/beard and clothing combination. I actually kind of feel bad saying that, but it's true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 07:09 PM
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Perhaps "dehumanizing" is the wrong word for it, but I struggle to find a better one. I definitely think that in these cases the mental health and wellbeing of these men comes second to making sure they no longer follow this kind of idealogy or are at least not in a position to spread it or inflict it on others they have power over. Whether that means "cancelling" them, cutting them off from friendship and support systems, and any other nonviolent methods you can think of. I'm not concerned abou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 05:43 PM
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If it was just a regular guy I'd be inclined to be sympathetic to the idea that it's a miseducated learned behavior or even a survival mechanism from growing up surrounded by pervasive misandry. No, not even then. We can't afford that. I did once think like this (and to be sure, I'm sympathetic to a certain degree of people who have been twisted by a lifetime of toxic and harmful surroundings). But you have to stop thinking of these men like people and start seeing them as problems that need to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 04:23 PM
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Okay, then I don't mind sharing a few thoughts on it. I will say that it will have to be a little short due to being at work and that it doesn't really have much to do with relationships/loneliness, more society and politics. But I digress. Here goes: So, I already explained the just world fallacy wherin if bad things are happening to you, you have done something to deserve it. Now, as unjustified as this belief is, there is a logical "bright spot" to it---if bad things are happening to you for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 04:05 PM
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I'm sorry you have experienced that. I think at the end of the day it boils down to the "just world fallacy" wherin if you are suffering, then you must have done something to bring it down upon yourself. It's funny because while this sounds like a religious/spiritual belief of some kind, I've seen it in spaces both religious and secular. What's even worse is that a lot of people who hold this belief extend it to the idea that if you do any kind of complaining or make an effort to alleviate your …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 03:32 PM
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No one should be misusing that feature and it's shameful that someone (here of all places) is. With that said, I think defending this kind of video isn't the correct path to take. While the point may have been something benign (pointing out those who use loneliness to spiral into anti-progressive ideologies), the execution was awful. But more than that, I'd argue that in the current climate this kind of thing is just not helpful and is even akin to throwing gasoline on a fire. The social media s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 02:38 PM
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Interesting that this post comes up when I was just thinking of this particular issue, although it was a different content creator that inspired me. Perhaps it is an unpopular opinion but I find this phenomenon---male content creators who mock and belittle other men on behalf of women, and hold themselves up as shining beacons of righteousness while doing so--to be a massive problem, far worse than even the most misandrist tik tok feminist. These people personify one of the biggest men's issue, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 02:25 PM
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I know you're joking, but I actually did hold back quite a lot when I wrote that response. Part of it is that I was at the office and in no position to write out a truly long and detailed post. But the other part of it is that my viewpoints on this are some of the more hardline and admittedly divisive opinions I have on gender issues and advocacy. In fact, I do sometimes wonder if the way my ideals have evolved puts me at odds with this sub, even though I am largely left wing in my politics. Soc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 11:38 PM
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Obviously, I don’t believe that empathy is a zero-sum game. I don’t think that solutions for women’s issues comes at a cost of solutions for men’s issues or vice-versa. Do you folks agree? Is there something I am not seeing here? I can't speak for most or really any other members of the sub, but here is my own opinion. I think this is a case of is vs ought. Should empathy for men's issues come at the cost of caring about women's problems? Should solutions for one outweigh the other? Of course no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 05:16 PM
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For what it's worth I'm extremely sorry for what you had to go through and disgusted that your family members insist on trying to whitewash whatever abuse your father inflicted. The dynamic of families supporting abusive members even at the expense of their victims is a little different than what I was thinking about in my post (at least in terms of motivation and dynamics) but unfortunately the same tactics are often employed and they are disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:01 PM
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Something I figured out a long time ago is that very few people actually oppose child abuse. And, just to clarify, by "abuse" I don't mean situations where people are arguing over whether a certain act is abusive or not. I mean times when all parties agree that what was done to a child was reprehensible. Anyway, very few people actually oppose abuse. Oh, I'm sure if you asked most people on the street, they would say yes and be shocked that it even needed to be said. They wouldn't technically be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:11 PM
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No problem, I realized I had gotten sidetracked from my original point in my anger about male misandrists and wanted to steer things back on track and provide an explanation for why I saw misandrists and misogynists as different. It really is a fascinating comparison to be honest and one I've seen very few people mention. I will say that there is a certain type of misandrist who seems to be a little different. These are the ones you'll see come out of the woodwork when men talk about the sexism …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 06:54 PM
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Ah, I understand. I guess I kind of got caught off guard by the mentioning of female misandrists and kind of went off on a tangent. I will say that while I agree with everything you said, my original point about the differences between misandrists and misogynists was more about how they see the impact of their sexist rhetoric. Misogynists, from my observation, tend to truly devalue and dismiss the opinions of women. When a woman is offended or hurt/angry at a sexist comment, the misogynist will …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 05:37 PM
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that victim complex automatically leads to misandrists thinking men should take up the role of being the protector. So, men can protect the helpless female victims. Yep. It's a disgusting and parasitic shadow of the old-fashioned traditional relationships in which the man was the protector and provider while the woman was the peacemaker, the one who managed the home and the domestic duties. But under the "progressive" umbrella, one side was free to cast aside the expectations and bonds of the dy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 05:26 PM
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That is an interesting summation and probably has a lot of truth to it since I've certainly come across that far too many times. You say "female misandrists", but I honestly find that male misandrists can act quite similar, just from a "secondary position". Men who are misandrists against other men will become total gender traitors, throwing their agreement behind some of the most sexist things women say about men. And when those men fight back, these male misandrists will either declare how the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 05:16 PM
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This is going to sound petty (and I fully admit it is petty), but the "pinned creator comment" at the top of the comments section was hilarious and infuriating at the same time. For those who understandably don't want to give that drivel views, the pinned comment is her waxing poetic about how she cannot monetize the video due to YouTube's rules, but she "thought it was important to speak up about the topic". The one thing that I will never get used to, no matter how many times I see it, is the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 04:54 PM
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't think that every interaction between men and women's issues and concerns needs to be zero sum, so I apologize if I gave that impression. I think that a great deal of our respective problems can be worked out in ways that benefit both sides. With that said... There are both individual cases and systemic concerns where the solution benefits one side and hurts the other, or at the very least the "losing" side must accept an undesirable consequen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/25 01:05 AM
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Yes that's precisely what I'm talking about. While I don't think that men should become some sort of monolith, I think that we do need to become far more focused on our own interests than we are right now. And while it may be controversial to say, I think we need the same ruthless devotion to advancing our own kind that I see in a lot of women's groups. Where any outcome is irrelevant as long as men benefit. I think a hundred maybe one hundred and fifty years of this sort of thing would solve a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/25 04:09 PM
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Can you elaborate on this please? My sincere apologies that I wasn't able to reply to this sooner. But here is what I mean: One of men's biggest problems, in my opinion, is that we have a terrible lack of solidarity and even outright enmity with other men. We often dismiss each other's problems, think the worst of each other, or will eagerly attack one another verbally or physically. When it comes to women this negative tendency becomes even worse. Men (even gay and asexual men) will turn on mal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/25 01:47 PM
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I truly hope so. I pretty openly believe that the ideal of unity between men and women, while admirable and morally just, are just too unrealistic to ever truly happen aside from comparatively sporadic incidents in a sea of conflict. The only way forward for us for men to start considering ourselves a "bloc" in our own right and (on a more controversial note) embrace a staunch my gender, right or wrong mentality wherin we put our own interests at the forefront at all times, regardless of the eff…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/25 04:37 PM
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Perhaps, perhaps not. I've come across far too many men and women who share these opinions or even worse ones. I've had actual back and forth conversations with people who think like the man I spoke about just now. And I've come across people with an array of stupid or heinous opinions and beliefs in all sorts of topics in my time online. The internet is vast and it is anonymous. While that does make an excellent breeding ground for trolls, it also means that people who genuinely have absolutely…
/r/MensRights12/01/25 04:34 PM
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Some people just don't get it until it happens to them. Sometimes not even then. There was a post on r/healthygamergg I read some time ago where a guy was reaching out for emotional support due to being falsely accused. I don't remember if he was in any official trouble (i.e. from the administration) but the accusation had spread across the campus he attended and he had lost a lot of friends and had people he didn't even know considering him a rapist. The situation had gotten so severe that he w…
/r/MensRights12/01/25 03:44 PM
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It's been said, but empathy is generally good. Seek to really understand where they are coming from. The problem is that, in these types of conversations, the idea of "empathy" is so often weaponized or used as a way to "get a foot in the door" to pave the way for something much more sinister. In those cases the idea please have empathy and understand why I'm acting this way expands to en compass extremely insulting and hateful words and even actions. And if the man in the dynamic raises a prote…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:17 PM
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I'm going to go against the grain a little here. While I unequivocally believe that a lot of conservative/tradcon ideals are used against men by those who claim to be progressive (and I have written extensively about it), I think it is very inaccurate to say that the hatred of men is solely a conservative viewpoint. In fact, I would go even further and say that hatred of men lines right up with leftist ideals and ways of thinking. The left (speaking in generalizations of course) has a heavy focu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/25 02:30 PM
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I don't do gender jingoism. What exactly is "gender jingoism"? I'm familiar with the term (absent the "gender" part) and I'm wondering what you would consider it to be. I suppose I'm asking because my own beliefs on gender politics are quite hardline in certain areas and I'm curious if they would fall under that based on your definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:10 PM
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what are your thoughts on men who pay for onlyfans , tip streamers or simp for e-girls? and I mean simp not as simply as men being nice to women or whatever but men degrading themselves for crumbs of female affection, whats your opinion about them? Sorry for the late reply, I just had to think this over and gather my thoughts. My feelings on this particular situation are both simple and complex, but here goes: On a personal level I don't have any particular animosity towards men like that. I do …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 05:50 PM
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It is definitely very sad, but I find that my strongest response to this kind of self loathing behavior and these communities that breed it is overwhelming anger and I'd even posit a degree of hatred. I can't abide seeing men tear apart other men, especially not on behalf of a group/ideology that I consider to be an enemy of our entire gender. I never thought I would use this term, but I consider people like this to be gender traitors and one of the lowest forms of man possible. Plus, their atti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/25 09:14 PM
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Uh, ok, that dude is cynical and insane. So I just want to put out there that I'm likely the person who made the comment (the timing and subject matter lines up too perfectly). I didn't make this observation about women as a whole. Rather I was referring to a specific type of woman, namely those who pressure their male loved ones into confronting strange men on behalf of women and become irritated or even outraged when their men "fail" to do so. In fact the whole mini thread based around my comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:23 PM
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If politics is anything to go by left leaning women have made it very clear that men are only a concern as long as they help promote their agenda, for anything else they must be quiet, listen to women and keep their mouths shut and their complaints to themselves. Right leaning women (the minority) are somewhat better because while still demanding traditional gender roles they understand some reciprocation must be in order. I definitely agree with you where this is concerned, and it's beyond blea…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 06:29 PM
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Tbh if it was all about our best interest, we would have ignored male opression and coped/adapted with it, I'm sorry but I don't quite understand what you're saying here. Perhaps you might explain? There are a lot of women who are altruistic and consider themselves to be human beings first before being a woman, these kind of people can join our cause and feel empathy for us. The sad thing is that I'm well aware of this. I know it and i genuinely appreciate it when I see it, and I hate it when I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 04:36 PM
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But it'd be a lot better if none of them were, But that's a complete impossibility, so we have to deal in reality rather than idealistic dreams. The hard facts are that women like that exist and likely always will in some form or other. So the answer is to provide men with the knowledge of how to avoid such types, and the "training" (for lack of a better word) to develop enough mental fortitude and self respect to resist the kind of manipulation tactics they use to break men down until they beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 04:17 PM
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I want to make the disclaimer that I'm not trying to be condescending or disrespectful in any way when I say the following. Just putting that out there. With that out of the way, here goes. Maybe there is something like that. But it also paints a very dark picture, as if women in this case actually regard "their man" as a toy and a piece of meat. I don't know how else to say it, but this comes off as refusal to accept something not because of a lack of evidence or probability but because "that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:35 PM
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Maybe it's a messed up analogy, but whatever. The reactions a lot of these women have to the situation reminds me of a quote from The Boys. "You asked me if I could train up my boy to be a killer? You're damn right I could. And if he died, I would cry at his funeral, but I'd be proud, knowing he saved the world". Based on the original TwoX post and some of the responses in here, I have a much less charitable interpretation of this dynamic than the OP does. I think a lot of them do understand the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 01:10 PM
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I think there will be change, but I think that we need to make a firm reevaluation as to the catalyst of that change. A large (but perfectly understandable, I made it myself for years) mistake is believing that this change will come from some sort of unity between genders. I think the only way things will get better is if we can persuade other men to take our issues seriously, and more importantly to abandon their own internalized belief in the "male oppressor/female oppressed" dynamic that hold…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 12:25 PM
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Definitely heard of it...but every time I've heard it, it's used as an excuse for engaging in nasty generalizations about a group of people and then silencing/shaming anyone who objects by insinuating that they must be "one of the bad ones".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 11:53 AM
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Because at the end of the day, the progressive approach to gender roles is a parasitic institution defined by manipulation tactics and firmly founded in arrogant self righteousness. One more ugly child if the let's worst feature, it's "oppressor vs oppressed" dynamic that poisons all it comes across. It's why I believe that the only cure for this infection is single minded self interest on a massive scale. A "my gender right or wrong" mindset almost without exception. It's the only way to combat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 05:45 PM
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Whether they say it or not, society still very much expect men to ascribe to our traditional gender roles. And the "funny" (as in, if you don't laugh you'll cry) thing is how skilled people are at fooling themselves into thinking this isn't true. They'll invent all sorts of flowery language and tactics to pressure men into fulfilling our traditional role. Yet should you call them out on it or at least show them how they're just slapping new paint on an old ship, so to speak, the reactions--from …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 09:25 PM
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I'm just ranting at this point, but I don't care. I hate the kind of man quoted in this post far more than I could even the most misandrist woman. They're worthless, barely human traitors to their own kind and--in my opinion--are the very personification of one of the greatest issues we face as a gender: our lack of solidarity and even antipathy for one another. Imagine delighting in the decline of your own in a field as illustrious as writing. I swear, if I had the power, I'd give these gender …
/r/MensRights08/12/24 09:41 PM
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I don't know if I have any new or novel suggestions about counteracting these sentiments, but I do want to share something about the situation that I find simultaneously infuriating, grotesque, yet strangely fascinating all at the same time. One of the biggest comebacks I've seen to online misandry is actually rather solid, and it is that this freely shared vitriol and hate would never be acceptable if directed at any other group of people with immutable characteristics. Afterwards the person ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/24 11:24 AM
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How the dynamics of these things play out is really important to get the full context. Yes precisely. Again the desire for this dynamic is not wrong but the methods used to achieve it and the willingness to do one's part in ensuring it doesn't devolve into parasitism are key aspects. To be honest--and a little more controversial--I deeply disapprove of men and women having a say in what constitutes healthy or positive masculinity/femininity. In the case of masculinity, I apply that barrier to me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/24 11:18 PM
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Positive feminity and positive masculinity are defined by selflessness, because ultimately the ideal is a parental figure. I have to disagree with this premise, although I'm perfectly willing to admit that my perspective may be a tad cynical/jaded. I think the reason "positive" Femininity and Masculinity are so rooted in selflessness is because both sides want someone to serve them. They want someone who showers them with affection, anticipates and caters to their needs and wants, and does their…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/24 03:58 PM
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Because at best they have no answer to the question. At worst, they believe--explicitly or subtly--that men have no purpose outside of undying service to others and that us helping ourselves or our fellow men alone is "wrong". It can be called by all sorts of different names----selfish, "making it about ourselves", arrogant, misogynistic, toxic, "refusing to do the right thing" etc...all of them shaming tactics to force us back into place. I have been outright told that men were "born to protect…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/24 12:12 PM
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I said this on here once before, and this post seems like a good place to repeat it: Sometime around maybe 10-14 years ago (maybe even a little than that) there was a large push to get society to recognize the wrongs done to large groups of people as just a matter of standard operating procedure. Lives ruined, taken or disregarded with the same casual attitude as one would have taking a piss. And bringing attention and attempting to rectify or address these historical issues isn't even close to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:26 PM
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Well, I'm certainly curious as to what you disagree with? Do you disagree that men's internalized antipathy for each other is the biggest problem we face as a gender? Or are is it something more than that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/24 12:33 PM
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I almost clicked Social Issues/Gender Roles, but ultimately I chose Other due not being sure if my particular "pet cause" fell under the former, but upon having some time to think about it, I believe it does. What I try to tackle personally is what I see as either underlying causes of men's issues or "accumulating damage" that worsens existing problems and weakens men's ability to deal with larger and more visible concerns. An example of "accumulating damage that weakens one's resilience to othe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/24 11:24 AM
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I'm white so that definitely affects how I'm perceived by the world. I really don't self-identify with any type of "wokeness" but one of the things I think they're right about is how minority men can be treated by women. It seems to be especially true with black and indian men, but I digress This may be slightly off topic, but one of the reasons I despise wokeness is because it takes perfectly reasonable and understandable concepts on how to address disadvantages and struggles and distorts them …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 07:25 PM
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Also good on you for standing up to women in real life. I'm afraid I can't take credit for doing something like that, as these conversations weren't in real life. They weren't on Reddit certainly but they didn't take place in the real world. While I would respond in the same way--I don't believe in saying things online that I wouldn't say in real life--I fortunately have not had to deal with that kind of nasty sentiment day to day. I've typically been an INCREDIBLY passive person, but have been …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 06:40 PM
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One of the biggest blackpills of my life was realizing our mother cared more about if the random girls my brother and I were dating were being treated well then if WE were being treated well. And for the record this isn't even a gendered thing. I've heard my Dad tell my brothers girlfriend he loves her and is proud of her more times in like 3 years then he's told me that in like two decades I'm truly very sorry to hear that, I mean it. I think the reason--apart from my moral compass--that I am s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 05:51 PM
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I'm not sure if what I'm going to say breaks any of the sub's rules, but know that it is the honest and good faith opinion of someone who has been here since this place was created, and who dealt in these gender wars for some years prior. I have lost any hope that the political and social rift between men and women can be fixed or even mended. The hatred, bitterness and cruelty has grown far too intense for that to ever happen. I believed that our societies can only reach their moral, intellectu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 03:18 PM
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Repeat after me: No one, and I mean no one is under any obligation to accept hatred and degradation aimed at their immutable characteristics. I don't care how supposedly "sympathetic" the person doing it is. They should be spoken up against, their sob story be damned. Your belief system is a weaponization of victimhood and empathy, using it as a way of lowering men's natural defenses against hatred and spite directed at us. You use guilt to manipulate us into sitting by and accepting being group…
/r/MensRights15/11/24 11:58 AM
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Sorry for the late reply, Perhaps I should have specified who "they" are, but I wasn't even sure anyone would reply to this comment in the first place. The people I'm referring to are feminists in general, and their absolute lack of any right to expect men to help them in a time of need due to the actions they've taken towards men and our issue over the years. This isn't a case of simple You didn't help me with my problems, so I'm not going to help you with yours. That would be a much grayer iss…
/r/MensRights14/11/24 11:01 AM
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I know it's an old post but I felt compelled to comment. What you're advocating for is, to be perfectly blunt, a parasite/host relationship. You are asking us to put effort into supporting a side that has never done the same to us, in fact quite the opposite. They have spent decades--particularly the last ten years--slandering men and boys, painting us as evil oppressors, demoralizing and sabotaging men and even boys. They have severed any and all aid and help. Not to mention, helping them while…
/r/MensRights12/11/24 01:05 PM
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I feel like we're talking past each other. To reiterate: my issue is that OP is admonishing men for being angry or upset at the man v bear and 4b trends. It isn't just the outright hateful or even dangerous rhetoric and actions said by men in response, he is saying that we have no right to be angry and should instead "look inward to see what we did wrong". I am pointing out a double standard wherin women are not told the same thing when it comes to misogyny. Quite the opposite in fact. I also di…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 06:05 PM
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That didn't even come close to answering the question though. Why is it that when women say over the top and hateful things about men, we are expected to simply nod along and take it. Anything apart from that, whether it be hateful rhetoric of our own or just voicing discomfort, is "entitlement". It's "making it all about us" or "not having 'EmPAtHy' for what they've suffered". There are a million different excuses offered and even more manipulative tactics to ensure we don't complain too loudly…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:43 PM
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In general if someone has such a dim opinion of another like in the man vs bear case, whoever the disliked one is should probably look inwards and see why they're disliked. You already got a question about whether or not you'd say this to someone who was hated based on their race, but I don't think I even need to go there since there's an even more comparable example. Would you say that women offended by misogynist rhetoric and actions need to just calm down and accept that a contingent of men d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 05:20 PM
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Well that's certainly a solid explanation even if I deeply disagree with some of what you said. Thanks for answering the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:07 PM
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. To be realistic though, misandry is nowhere near as severe as misogyny is. Why did you feel the need to add that in there? It's a genuine question, because I see this a lot. Why can't it just be acknowledged that misandric rhetoric is unacceptable and leave it at that? Why must there always be this "reminder" that misandry isn't as bad/the same as misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 01:24 AM
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when it comes to male gender roles. Which leads ro what I refer to (perhaps unoriginally) as parasitic relationships. I have a deep hatred of this dynamic due to witnessing it take its toll on a parental figure long before Reddit even existed). Men seem determined, and even fervent, in fulfilling our gender role as expendable pawns. But women understand that they are more than just their role and will use men's insistence on being stuck in the past to ensure we advocate for them, even if it is t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 06:19 PM
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But still automatically expect men to care about women issues as a default. I will always maintain that thus is a dynamic that originated from the traditional gender role of "male protector/female victim" that dates back to before we were what could be called "human".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 06:04 PM
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I'll admit that it isn't the most healthy of outlooks (and there is some nuance that is necessary to prevent it from devolving into full on misogyny) but behaviors like this make much more sense if one considers that men and women are not in fact "natural allies" or "all in this together" as is the foundation of egalitarian thought. Instead we are more akin to competing nations with a heavy nationalistic bent, who will do anything to ensure prosperity and overall good things for their citizens. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 03:55 PM
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I see some comments here that feminism had no redeeming qualities, which I fundamentally don't agree with. Pretending feminism never ever had any redeeming qualities is just being a contrarian. I actually think this is a very interesting conversation to have (albeit one that is almost guaranteed to raise tempers) because I don't think it would necessarily be contrarian to dispute that as an absolute fact. The viewpoint that feminism has redeeming features and was a necessary force before radical…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 08:40 PM
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And that attitude of "muh individualism" is one of the biggest contributors to the problems men have. No one--at least not me--is saying we have to be some kind of hive mind, but there should be an acknowledgement that we share the same traits and have certain interests that are intertwined. In the context of this thread, that means there should ideally be zero men who condone, defend or otherwise minimize anti male rhetoric and actions. It doesn't matter how sympathetic the perpetrator is, it s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 04:29 PM
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If I had to look at it objectively then yes..something is overall positive then I am not gonna go against it when a situation like that would arise. We as a society shouldn't waver from it. I know I shouldn't be surprised at this point, but every once in a while I forget how absolutely sub zero some of you are in terms the well-being of your male "loved ones", when it goes up against something that positively affects you as a whole. Your comment reminds me of when some famous Eurpoean opera sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:28 PM
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I don't see myself as "on the side of men" just because I'm a man, That's unfortunate because I think that attitude is one of the core causes behind a lot of men's issues and cultivating a sense of unity similar to "the sisterhood" would do a great deal of good. But on to your other points. I don't so much have an interest in picking apart the misandry vs racism aspect of the comment, since while I think it was a good argument, I can also understand why you took issue with it. My main concern wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:04 PM
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Ok, so how should men react to this sentiment? Support project 2025? That hand maiden shit? Oh, trust me the people who throw around this kind of rhetoric 100 percent expect men to just shrug it off and continue to support laws and policies that favor/support them. Their "logic" tends to be that men should just accept the hatred because either we should just know it's "not about us" or we should be "understanding of the trauma they went through to make them say these things". As for why we shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 03:51 PM
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You know, you'd never ever catch a woman defending misogyny and anti female discrimination the way you--a man, going by your flair--are doing in terms of animosity towards your own kind. Why? Why on earth would you even begin to defend the OP and argue against your own gender? One thing I do admire about women is how they circle the wagons when it comes to this kind of thing. Men could learn more than a thing or two in that regard, and responses like yours are a prime example of what to not do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 03:42 PM
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but expect it to be very expensive and out of reach of 9/10ths Yes, definitely. The funny thing is that, as I've thought about it more, OP's premise isn't insane, it's just out of touch with what most people can afford, and with how a large percentage of those who can afford it choose to live their lives. Even if I was a multi millionaire I would still choose to clean my own house and more importantly have my children raised by a member of their family, preferably their parent. As I said, OP is …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:46 PM
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I'm half convinced this is some kind of joke/troll. It started out reasonably enough. I disagreed with it but the perspective was valid. Then it just spiraled into madness. What OP is proposing is basically paying people to run the household while he dips in and out for the "fun" bits. It's actually insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:59 PM
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Sorry for the late reply, but I wanted to give this question some serious consideration before I answered. I think one of the things that needs to be explained to men is how foundational our antipathy for other men is to our societies and cultures. In other words, first get them to accept that the problem even exists. Then turn their attention to women and the strong and powerful gender solidarity they have built. For better or worse it must be acknowledged that it is one of their strongest trai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/24 12:43 PM
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I'm not sure when exactly he said this, but I definitely remember that and the tidal wave of backlash he got for it. I'm aware Vaush has a bit of a...reputation (and I certainly have no love for him) but I stand by the belief that his fan base is far more toxic and radicalized than he himself is. The "male loneliness isn't entirely men's fault" incident and it's attendant backlash isn't the first time he's made a decent and just common sense point and then been treated as if he just switched sid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/24 03:38 PM
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but I'm not about to make a habit of defending men no matter what. The problem is that we don't exist in a time where that is helpful or constructive---quite the opposite in fact. I'm not advocating taking men's side in literally every single situation---there are some that are obviously unacceptable. But men have a massive bias against our own kind; it is one of our biggest weaknesses and the core of many if not all our issues. There is a long and possibly infinite road to unlearning that inher…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/24 05:33 PM
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EDIT: I reframed this comment; while the original did get my point across, it was rather rough due to the rushed circumstances and somewhat emotional state I was in while writing it. This is more streamlined and far more precise in things I think need to change. This realization (among a lot of others over many years) is why I've started taking the "Omni Man approach" to women's issues and concerns vs men's. "It's okay to pity them, Mark. But it's wrong to prioritize them above your own kind". I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/24 04:50 PM
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Some men just don't identify with other men that much, some do identify more with women. Not that guys don't do things like this for selfish reasons, but that's one among many reasons. To be honest--and perhaps this will be unpopular--I actually think the "true believers" are infinitely worse than the ones who put down their own kind in a selfish bid for women's favor. As much as I despise both, I can at least undeestand the ruthlessnes of trying to get female attention at all costs and feel som…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 02:29 PM
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Men here are rightfully complaining that they are not allowed to be anything but a narrow slice of acceptable masculinity, and here you are doubling down on the claim that any man who holds a different view only does so hoping to get laid There is literally no correlation between being allowed to change or expand upon aspects of masculinity and openly shitting on your own kind, if you'll pardon my vulgarity. In fact, it could be argued--and with a great deal of evidence too--that attacking other…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:34 PM
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Even more spite. What's up with that? You keep proving YetAgain67's point. Your premise is built on the flawed foundation that spite is an inherently bad thing. Spite/hatred is a perfectly valid emotion to feel in certain circumstances, and I personally have zero moral qualms about acting on it in situations when someone has done an egregious wrong to me or those I care about. Others have done a much better job of explaining it than I will, but YetAgain67 is engaging in an all too common tactic …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/24 01:02 PM
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When you live in a "guilty until proven innocent" society, you're forced to prove a negative. That is something that is very difficult, and requires extensive over-the-top preparation in advance. Precisely, I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding this, or worse, become offended and irate about these precautions. I remember a very jarring online conversation (not on Reddit) I once had with another man about a case of a false accusation made about a pretty big Twitch streamer. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/24 11:54 AM
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And there it is. The moment you get push back even in the form of a polite rebuttal, listing perfectly reasonable points, the fangs and claws come out and you resort to low blows. You must be mentally unwell. If you're so worried about a false accusation, then you might want to look at yourself. There was no reason for it, apart from your ire that people don't just nod along and immediately "realize" the error of their ways and throw caution to the wind when it comes to male/female interactions …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/24 09:47 AM
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Dude, don't be petty. You have a chance to be a bigger person No, that's the "logic" of a parasite. Sorry for the bluntness of it, but that is just how things are. Antagonizing a group of people relentlessly and telling them that their opinion doesn't matter, only to turn around and demand their help when your back is against the wall is absolutely pathetic. It's understandable but it is entirely unworthy of respect and should be mocked and jeered at. Being the bigger person or doing the right t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/24 09:25 AM
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Thank you. I was trying to explain how this could have turned into a small example of mutual understanding and recognition that both men and women feel taken for granted and frustrated because of it---the solution of course being for both sides to work on being more appreciative towards the men and women in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 12:10 AM
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You don't see any irony in that at all? Not even a little? Your entire reply to me was basically you talking about how you wanted people to listen and how you found the questioning unacceptable, which was why you had such a hostile reaction to the other person. I didn't "lecture", I said the way you lashed out wasn't productive and tried to explain how it could have turned into an exercise in empathy and overall understanding where both sides are coming from. But you seem to want men to simply n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:43 PM
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I don't think they were trying to prove you wrong as much as they raised a very good point about how the same thing you advised men to do for women is rarely done for us, quite the opposite. Actually this could have become a very fruitful conversation about how men and women both feel unappreciated due to each side feeling that their gender-bound roles are just what they're "supposed to do" and therefore failing or outright refusing to give thanks. It would have been an opportunity to reach acro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:38 PM
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You didn't really answer the question, you just got offended and constructed an angry strawman vastly disproportionate to what was asked. I do personally believe that people should be appreciated for the things they do for others and for society at large, little and big. It doesn't always need to be a big celebration but simple words of gratitude and encouragement are the right thing to do and they cost nothing. In fact, people who refuse to acknowledge a good deed because "It's the bare minimum…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 10:54 PM
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I want all men to have the same level of investment and zeal about men's issues that women do about their own. I don't want everyone to agree with me or my solutions to those problems---the practical problems of that aside, there's the moral issue of tyrannical mind control. But I want there to be as much interest, as much concern and as much rage at our own problems as I see women have for theirs, and I want that same level of effort and dedication. I think that would usher in a rennaisaance of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 10:33 PM
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I definitely agree with this take. The issue with feminism isn't so much "feminists hate men". A pretty large number of them do and their misandrist rhetoric is largely unpunished or even cheered by society. But that is only part of the problem with feminism, since there certainly are feminists who don't overtly hate men. The issue with feminism is that, under its view of the world and society, men are always "the transgressors". We are the ones who made the bad system, we are the cause of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 08:54 PM
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. I’ve never heard a woman say “kill all men! … no, no, men, don’t be upset with me!” This boggles my mind, because I've seen this very thing play out more than I can count over the years, to absolutely insane levels. Now, if you are specifically talking about "kill all men" then yes I agree it's much rarer but even then I've specifically seen that happen as well in terms of that particular phrase. The way it goes is somewhat like this: A woman says something nasty or hateful about men/male huma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:59 PM
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Thanks for answering, I appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 05:13 PM
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Even my sister, who was a part of one such group, flat out refused to even attempt to have any of her friends meet me despite my mom’s suggestion. I'm curious, what was her motivation(s) for her refusal? I can understand being disinterested in the love life of your sibling or being uncomfortable with an arrangement like that and other motives. But your phrasing sounds like she was quite dedicated to ensuring that you did not mingle with her friends. Also, my apologies if that's too personal a qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:27 PM
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Men like women more than the other way around. Not just sexually, but most will allow their biology to dominate tgeir philosophy (women are wonderful vs men are trash). Thank you, I was looking for a comment like this because I was too lazy to make my own. It's disheartening to see so many people boil this imbalance down to just "men want to have sex so of course they'll do anything for women to get it". That is true, but as you said, the sperm vs egg biolog that drives us makes this so much mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:00 PM
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For women, I feel like you ignored this aspect of what I said: I didn't exactly ignore it, I just didn't know how to respond to that last part without going on an incoherent ramble. I do agree that women tend to be more emotionally intelligent. Alhough I also think it's rather subjective, but that's a whole different conversation. I think that women know how to support other women better than a man would and of course that makes them more appealing confidantes. My original comment was never impl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:25 PM
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What is the “bias”? What are the varying factors you think lead to this “bias” outside of the things I mentioned. I think the bias is that women tend to trust and/or relate to other women more than they do with men. They are concerned about their wellbeing far beyond just the usual circle of loved ones and friends that most people have, thus leading them to go go great lengths to ensure that others of their gender are looked after. As for what I think causes this? I genuinely can't answer that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 09:41 PM
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I don't really think one excludes the other, quite the opposite in fact. It's like saying a particular restaurant produces incredibly good food because it makes a lot of money, which allows them to hire expert chefs and purchase quality ingredients. But that money was made because it serves incredibly good food. So there is a kind of chicken/egg cycle. Women do indeed form large networks and communal support based on gender alone, which is something men do not often do---and when we do, it is of…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 07:50 PM
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I see. That's certainly fair; I don't really want to get into whether I agree/disagree with your overall outlook, but I do genuinely respect your sense of fairness in terms of how each sex can make things slightly easier for the other. One of my big issues with feminism and other "progressive" movements is their rather parasitic lack of reciprocation in terms of our relationship with each other---which is hilarious since they just adore using the word "allies". In truth they seem to gravitate mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:06 PM
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Protect women, guys, its your duty as men. I'm genuinely curious if you think that women have some innate "duty" to men as well? I ask because I hear about men's role being to protect women, but increasingly a lack of reciprocity in terms of what they "should" do foe us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 07:58 PM
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You're welcome! I apologize for not being more eloquent, as I said this aspect of things really isn't something I really focus on apart from casual observations. My impression of mainstream feminist's reactions to TERFs was that they had chosen to mostly ignore them, and I assumed part of the reason for that was because TERFs repeat a lot of talking points that some problematic feminists use. Oh they most definitely do not ignore them---well, it depends on what you mean. I don't know precisely w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 04:34 PM
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I guess I'll throw my hat into the ring. I don't really have many thoughts on Trans issues/TERFS in general since it is not a part of my daily life. I will say that the existence of TERFS and the way they were shunned from a great deal of mainstream feminism/progressive thought and into the outer darkness of extremists definitely gave me pause, and played a large role in my internal debate over whether feminism and men's advocy could ever ultimately be allied.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 03:45 PM
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Again, you aren't wrong. That is exactly how things are and unfortunately it's unlikely to change anytime soon. Oh, I think fighting to change that is a morally righteous and worthy battle. But I have little faith that anything will come from it. Too many people benefit from this arrangement and too many people derive their self worth from it. So I have come to accept it while hoping for something better. What I will not tolerate is essentially human parasites that benefit from men's effort and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:03 PM
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You're not exactly wrong, but it's in the method by which the exploitation occurs that is distinct. Let me give you a bit of an analogy. I apologize if it seems ridiculous but I think it is a very good way to characterize how the Left vs Right treat men. Imagine you have two societies that regularly practice human sacrifice, like the ancient Aztecs of South America or the ancient Celts of Europe. Both hypothetical groups decide to raise an entire caste of people for the sole purpose of being use…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:04 PM
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The right doesnt care about men either, they care about money and greed, but they at least don't actively campaign against men. The way I see it is more that the right cares about men, but in an extremely conditional way. You have to meet an incredibly strict criteria for them to give a crap about you. As long as you do, then you're pretty okay. If you don't meet that criteria or are literally physically incapable of it then they'll throw you aside or do something even worse. It's incredibly fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:25 AM
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All men were inexperienced first. How should they get those experiences? I'm not trying to be heartless when I say this, I wanted to get that out of the way first. Plus, this is coming from a pretty inexperienced man. The hard truth of the matter is that it isn't women's problem. It's like the paradox of finding a job---employers want you to be experienced yet won't hire someone who is inexperienced, leading to an endless cycle of unemployment and frustration. But in truth your personal woes are…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:01 AM
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You seem to be very emotional about this word and I could use another like "privileged" or "lucky" if you like. My reaction is emotional, yes, although I do not agree that it is unwarranted. There is a world of difference between being an "oppressor" and being privileged or lucky or whatever alternative one wants to use. Say that to most people and they will think of slave owners, Nazis, feudal nobility, and any number of other groups that have actively harmed people in vast numbers throughout h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 12:57 PM
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I didn't ask them to and I said nothing hateful. Categorizing someone or a group of people as the oppressor class is hateful in the extreme, and the only way I can imagine someone could deny that in good faith is that they have a little to no comprehension of what that truly means. Oppresion is systematic suffering, lack of rights and overall degradation inflicted upon a person or group of people. An oppressor class is a group of people who engage in inflicting that suffering. It is an extremely…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 10:23 PM
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Then stop asking the "oppressor class" to be your "allies"---heavy quotations there because most of you wouldn't know true allyship if it punched you in the face. You do not get to forment hateful rhetoric against a group of people, cast them as the villains in your little revolution and then ask them for help, while refusing to offer anything in return. Oh, I know. You'll counter with some bs about "they shouldn't need to benefit to do the right thing or "It just shows how selfish they are if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:09 PM
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their viewpoints are being exhibited in both the regulatory and business environment I agree with this part, which is why as much as I think egalitarianism is an admirable and morally worthy pursuit, I'm very rigidly pro-male-at-all-costs. With that said, I think that there is a thin but important line between the people at TwoX and a lot of the types of people who push forward policies to benefit women alone. Now, sometimes that difference is merely semantic---for example take the "people" who …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/24 10:30 PM
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I've said this before, but if you want to understand women's perspectives and understand their experiences and where they are coming from---for the sake of all that is good and right in this world do not browse TwoXChromosomes! A steady "diet" of their filth will turn even the most well grounded and sane of men into a raging misogynist if he really starts to believe that this is how women think and act on a regular basis. It might sound like an exaggeration and perhaps it is somewhat, but I feel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/24 09:12 PM
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Right now I'm just on one side of that street, representing the people who aren't here to defend themselves. How on Earth do you, as a man, feel the need to defend or "represent" those who feel negativity towards your gender? Do you not see how absolutely insane and traitorous that is? I happen to be black. Never in my life have I felt the need to "clarify" or "represent" racist viewpoints when they are being discussed and torn apart among a group of people like me. I don't ever feel the need to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/24 01:53 PM
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The issue is that, just as in your first post, you put the onus of resolving things on the group being attacked rather than the ones lashing out in aggression. You want us to consider the reason and sympathetic motivation behind the enemy's actions and worst of all you want us to give them the privilege of compassion when there is none forthcoming from them, less than none actually. Actually it's worse than that. You said that rather than be upset, we need to work harder to not meet those stereo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 11:01 PM
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Well, as I said, it's an extremely stupid assumption and demonstrates a combination of ignorance and unvarnished paranoia that I find to be an instant turn off. Judging people's views on relationship dynamics based on nothing more than pet choices is in the same category of shooting down a potential relationship because of astrology, but with some weird pop psychology and "men predators/women prey" thrown in. If someone is allergic, or has a dog that doesn't like cats, or whatever, those are val…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 07:46 PM
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Cats are not obedient. Men who can only handle obedient relationships are not what modern women are looking for. Yes, that was the explanation I heard for this mindset the last time it was brought up years ago, and I was just flabbergasted at how stupid it sounded. At the time I thought it was just that one person's bad take, thus my shock to see it in the OP. I definitely disagree with that idea, that's like saying women who like dogs are looking for a simple minded, obedient man she can contro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 07:09 PM
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"Some men hate cats though for similar reasons as they hate women" I'm sorry but what was that? Everything else about this post aside, that jumped out at me. I've heard this before, that men who don't like cats either hate women or are red flags since it shows they have borderline misogynistic tendencies. The only explanations I've ever heard for this declaration are as ridiculous as the assumption itself. I'm curious, what would make you say/believe something like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 05:18 PM
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I highly doubt you'd ever say such a thing to a woman upset about being stereotyped by men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 10:46 AM
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Two wrongs dont make a right, but if someone gleefully oppresses you, do not expect oppressed to feel sorry, or support them in their time of need. True words, and wisely spoken but I'm afraid you're speaking to deaf ears. I have tried to explain this point to the people most in need of hearing it for a long time now, but they refuse to listen. They feel entitled to male support and aid regardless of what they do or don't do. Lack of reciprocation and even outright malice shouldn't be obstacles …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/24 08:38 PM
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That's certain a fair stance, and your perception of the two goeups isn't entirely wrong either, although there is obvious nuance and complexity involved. One thing I will say as someone who does somewhat lean into the "my gender right or wrong" mindset is that, while it may not seem like a fair or even moral stance to take, it is the only logical one and abjectly necessary in today's climate. I can only speak from a man's point of view, but I think men would deeply benefit from more of what peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:20 AM
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Oh yes, they definitely do, I know. For better or worse I've been embedded in the gender wars and overall men's issues sphere since late 2015, and I've seen some shit. In fact a lot of my recent comments here are me kind of releasing pent up frustration and disgust at the way these types of people treat their male loved ones. My comment was more of an exasperated rhetorical question since despite the years of seeing the insane, self righteous, and ruthless behavior that accompanies these people'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 01:06 AM
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I'm just flabbergasted by how casually these people throw around such a dark and serious accusation/designation. And for literally half of the entire human population too? Would they say that to their own male loved ones? Honestly if one of the women---or men---in my life started flapping their gums about men being the "oppressor class" and then doubled down on it when confronted on it? I'd cut them out of my life like a malignant tumor. No second chances, no weakening of my stance. Complete sev…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 10:19 PM
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But you honestly believe that’s a common thing women say/do? What percent of women would you guess have said “I was scared” to justify awful shit? So, I wanted to break this down a little more and also apologize for the way it was phrased since I was mainly just trying to provide an example and skipped out a lot on expanding my other point. To answer your question, yes I do think that it is a common thing women do. I don't think that every single woman does this---in fact, I know that not all do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:08 PM
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Can you give me an example of a woman saying “I was scared” to justify objectively poor behavior? I'm sorry I'm butting in, but I happen to have seen a lot of these so I thought I'd perhaps give a particular example and sort of illustrate a bigger point. One example I've seen of objectively horrible behavior justified by the "I'm scared" narrative is stealing from a partner. To explain---several years ago, there was a post in r/relationships where a man discovered his wife was skimming off money…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 04:43 PM
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Well that's good to hear. I don't really agree with your just accept the 'punishment' point of view, but I can see where it comes from. Personally I think it should be fought and called out at every opportunity with zero acceptance for excuses or justifications or attempts at bringing up the past. But again that's just me and my deep hatred for anyone who tries to move against me and those I consider "my kind".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:21 PM
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I can't tell if you're justifying an indefinite period of collectively punishing current generations of men based upon things that happened before they were born, or if you're just stating a grim fact and saying to just deal with it. I hope it's the latter, because wtf if it's the former. Do you really think something like that is even remotely justifiable? And if you do, why should people who never did anything just lie down and accept it instead of fighting back?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:11 PM
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I think that we just have a fundamental disagreement then, at least on some of these issues. I'm not sure why you keep bringing this back to "shitting on women". I don't consider that to be part of how a normal, well rounded man functions, apart from certain situations and/or conversations. I'd certainly look sideways at a man who makes putting women down a significant part of his life. What I'm complaining about is men who openly buy into women who shit on men. The types who will hear a woman s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:29 AM
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Perhaps you aren't really clear on the type of men I'm talking about. There is nothing "normal" about eagerly nodding along with negative things said about a group you belong to, going out of your way to spread that rhetoric to other members of your group, and mounting a strong defense of the people antagonizing your own kind. It's completely backwards and wrong and deserves nothing but disgust and severe social punishment. I'm sure you would say the same thing about women who absorb misogynisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 04:45 PM
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I can see your perspective certainly, and it's probably a healthier one to have than mine. A combination of our viewpoints---seeing them as so pathetic that they are beneath even anger and contempt, while acknowledging the damage they do and thinking up ways to counteract them---would likely be the healthiest of all. To slightly explain my perspective, I have two very large reasons for hating them so intensely. There are others but these are the big ones. The first is that I see them as wrong. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:57 PM
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even when I was dating the women's studies dance major from the local women's only college. That sounds like an absolute nightmare. My sincere apologies if she was a good person and genuinely enriched your life, i just had an immediate stomach-sinking reaction upon reading that description. But anyway, onto your point: So, a bit of background first---I happen to believe that one of men's biggest issues is our apathy and even outright enmity towards one another. It strangles our ability to organi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 05:34 PM
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I hate them so very much. I've become largely desensitized to the misandrist crap women like to throw around. It makes me angry of course, but I no longer get really pisssed off unless they target vulnerable people like children or they betray people I feel they have a moral obligation to stand by, like family. But these self-hating "men" who turn on their own gender are a completely different story. I absolutely hate them with every fiber of my being. I never thought I would say something like …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:20 PM
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I feel like most men would feel self conscious or a bit weird organizing and collectively demanding small things like these, but this is how a movement starts. I agree with you on that, but its a bit more than men just feeling weird or uncomfortably self conscious about organizing as a gender group. It's a mixture of biology and culture but men are very much raised to be both incredibly individualistic and see other men as opponents or at best objects worthy of only indifference---outside a clos…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 04:01 PM
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I'm obviously not the person you're replying to (I always feel the need to make this disclaimer) but I am someone who has slightly similar sentiment, although more towards specific people on here rather than whole groups, so I feel like I can relate. Yes, this is a debate subreddit and the point is therefore to go back and forth with our different opinions. The issue isn't an unwillingness to debate as much as it is an unwillingness to engage with people who debate in bad faith. I don't expect i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 03:31 PM
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Ah, okay, I don't watch him that often because I don't have a great attention span. Thank you for telling me this. Glad I could help explain it. I actually felt a little embarrassed since I read further up and saw you were familiar with his work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 10:48 PM
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If you're talking about how women get underdiagnosed with some conditions, this is truth. I'm not the person you replied to, but I am a longtime watcher of Dr. K's content so I can give some insight here. Again not the person you replied to so I can't say for sure, but I doubt they were talking about mental health diagnosises. Dr. K, despite his genuinely helpful methodology and good intentions towards men, very much leans into the idea that women have it worse than men in life. This belief blee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 10:28 PM
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Yeah I didn't really want to go into that part since I know the woman's name is associated with a whole lot of other poisonous baggage, even if I don't know or care about a lot of it. Plus I will always consider Howolka's sister to be the worst person in that entire affair, worse than Quinn herself. She literally threw her own brother under the bus after his death, sealing his reputation as an abuser in the eyes of a lot of people who doubted the original accusations. I read a comment about it t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 03:46 AM
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So, I agree with some of what you said, but not other points. Most women value other women as a group more than they value their own male blood relatives. I have no idea how women got the unearned reputation as empathetic care givers. I don't really agree that this is how most women think of their male relatives or loved ones, Even the article you mentioned somewhat disproves that; the falsely accused man's mother stood by him and believed in his innocence even as his own sister abandoned both o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 03:19 AM
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Wow...that was a heartbreaking read. Well, heartbreaking for the man and his mother, the sister not so much. I can understand and feel empathy for her position, but I think she was completely wrong and I have no sympathy for her so called "crushing guilt". She should feel guilty. To be honest she's even worse than I thought; she distanced herself from her own mother because she acted like an actual parent and stood by her child. Making her a worthless excuse for a daughter as well as a sibling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:50 AM
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I haven't heard of that but it sounds horrific. It somewhat reminds me of the case of Alec Howolka (at least I think that's how you spell his name)? He was a video game developer who was accused of sexual abuse by an ex girlfriend and he subsequently killed himself after being fired from his job and abandoned by his social circle within days of it happening. One of the most appalling details of the case was his sister making a public statement on Twitter that although she was devastated by her b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:02 AM
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Like, I just can’t phathom how some of the women on here making these arguments feel about their little brothers, their fathers, the men who have helped them in difficult times, the men who would defend them. Because you vastly overestimate the love and care these people have for their male loved ones. Oh, they don't hate the men and boys in their lives by any stretch of the imagination, but their level of care and compassion for them is vastly lesser than the average person. Sometimes it is tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:15 AM
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Oh, they've long ago developed a defense against that. If you confront them by asking them to justify the same rhetoric against another minority group, they'll say: "It's different though. Men aren't oppressed on the basis of their gender like black people/women/LGBT people are. In fact, men are the oppressors. Hateful rhetoric against those groups causes actual problems and harm, for you it just hurts your little feelings" You're completely right from a moral perspective, I'm just saying that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:36 PM
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You know they wouldn't give a crap about a son's suicide Wow, you really live up to your username. And unfortunately I have to completely agree with you when it comes to this opinion, at least where the truly die hard "men are the oppressor class" types are concerned. One of the darker opinions I hold, and a hill I will die on, is that people (men and women alike) who believe in a male oppressor/female oppressed dynamic are completely incapable of having truly positive relationships with male hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:30 PM
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This is probably going to ruffle some feathers, but I think it needs to be said. I made this observation long ago and I'm tired of holding it in. Whatever the legitimate ideological, social, or even moral faults one can find with the various groups devoted to men's issues, the only ones who seem to target literal children for hate, vitriol and psychological warfare is the feminist side. I have never, in all the years I've been around the gender wars, really seen manosphere types going after kids…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 05:49 PM
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Obama also officially defined all "military-age" men in proximity of any American military action as a combatant for the purposes of keeping civilian casualty counts low in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that, probably blocked it out of my mind. Yeah, I will never be able to fully express my sheer disappointment for Obama. He was the first politician I voted for, as I came of age during his first term, and I fully admit that one of the biggest reasons I voted for hi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 06:50 PM
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Oh I absolutely agree with you that Trump's victory was bad for men, although I think it's more nuanced (and more depressing) than your characterization of it, so I'd respectfully like to give an alternate perspective. When it comes to men's concerns and Trump vs Clinton, I think it was a case of "Would you rather burn to death or freeze to death?" Concern and care for men's issues was already in the toilet prior to the 2016 race. We were in Obama's second term and he had revealed himself to be …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 06:00 PM
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At the time of Trump's win, the US went into shock Oh how I remember that. It was such a collective temper tantrum and I remember being incredibly amused and disturbed in equal measure by the antics of people upset at Trump's win, and thankful no one I knew was melting down to such a degree. I've actually thought long and hard about it in context of what was to come, and I've reached the following conclusion. It was the right reaction but for the wrong reasons, thus making it wrong. Trump's pres…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 05:07 PM
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This (well, not this specific incident but things like it) is why I will always have mixed feelings on the matter of Trump's victory. While it was catastrophic and gave rise to a number of nasty elements, I can't help but feel somewhat relieved Clinton didn't win. I think if she had won, the large societal shift against men and boys would have not only have come faster, it would have been far nastier than it was during its 2017-2019 peak. It also would have had far more "teeth", as it were. Ther…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 04:11 PM
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I wrote a really long and informative reply to this (and I apologize for the late reply because it took me a long time to really type it up and get my thoughts out). But unfortunately it seems to not be able to come through, so I just wrote this instead. Suffice to say that I definitely appreciate hearing your thoughts about it, and am glad I'm not the only one who has noticed a lot of these same behaviors. Again I had a lot more I wanted to say about my theories on why these behaviors come abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:02 PM
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This would seem to imply that men have a right to respond by turning to misogynistic ideology. I don't believe that men have a "moral" right to turn to misogynist idealogies in response to rampant and unchecked misandrist rhetoric. But I do believe that it will happen in response to such conditions, and I have no sympathy when the people who engage in that rhetoric have the audacity to complain about an increase in misogyny as if it happened out of nowhere, with zero responsibility on their part…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:04 AM
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I find this a very interesting and important topic from a societal (if not dating) perspective so I'll throw in my two cents. Accountability for me is being held responsible for one's actions, for good or for evil or the myriad of gray interactions in between those two extreme points of the moral spectrum. Since it's easier to explain a morally dark exampleif I, a man, loses control of my temper and assaulted someone I was arguing with, I would rightfully be held accountable for my actions. I wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:40 PM
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But that's not even close to reasonable; it's just advocating capitulation to an antagonistic force. It only seems like that if you favor one side of the conflict, the one being benefitted from his proposal. That's like saying let someone punch you in the face in a rage and rather than defend yourself or flee, try to "hear them out" and ask what you did to make them angry. That's nothing more than cowardice or at best it is the only refuge of an abuse victim who cannot hope to escape their torme…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:58 PM
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The dialogue was between women, but like always, men feel they must police women’s behavior. I mean, I can theoretically accept this as a valid point, but only if one holds the same energy for women who expect men to "police" other men in private spaces when we talk about our gripes with women. I wonder if you recall the outrage against "locker room talk" and how many women demanded that men both alter how we spoke about women in private and that we crack down on other men who did not address th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 07:46 PM
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If women say the same thing, men react with violence. You can’t possibly excuse that. I'm not excusing it, nor did I miss it. I was talking about an entirely separate phenomenon that you brought up early into your post, wherein a woman (or multiple women) says something hateful against men and expects the men in question to just ignore it or more often expects us to meekly agree with it or be sympathetic in the face of their offensive behavior. The man/bear example is just the latest example. As…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 07:03 PM
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How did men react to the “rather encounter a bear than a lone man in the woods” hypothetical?... Men made more comments about standing by and laughing “when a bear disembowels a woman” instead of showing any sort of empathy or understanding. You actually had a point (and to a certain extent still do if you take this part away) up until then. I don't know why it is so hard to understand 2+2=4. If you say or do something hateful and dehumanizing against another person or group of people, you will …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 06:35 PM
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I’m a bit worried about what you mean by “pain”. I relate to your frustration and weariness, but I don’t think you picked the right time to be vague, i think you should finish this thought I don't appreciate your thinly veiled insinuation that I was pushing for some kind of real life violent response, but I'll humor this. I actually did finish my thoughts and explained quite well what I meant. The people I originally responded to were in agreement that men saying nasty things to the "bears are b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:36 AM
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While I think your outlook iis valid, you're kind of falling into one of the failed points I just listed as to why this has gone on for so long and continues to go on---namely you fall into the "We can't give them anymore ammunition" camp. I'm not saying that as a way to take a shot at you or a "gotcha!"; it's just interesting. But to address your actual point, I have to once again disagree. I think in a situation where we were dealing with people capable of fairness/rationality, you would have …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 01:31 AM
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Yeah I agree that the responses are abhorrent. I disagree with this opinion actually. You don't get to be flagrantly, self righteously hateful and escape without vicious pushback. That's like punching someone in the face and then being upset when they lash out at you. Whatever "abhorrent" male response to this display was 100 percent well deserved. Frankly, I'm of the opinion that a big reason for the increased proliferation and acceptance of this kind of misandrist rhetoric is because no one ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 12:49 AM
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wasn’t doing it to show that misogyny is worse than misandry. I was doing it because I think it is actively h Well then if that is the case, then I apologize for misinterpreting your intentions. It's just that the way you phrased things is textbook for the "misogyny kills, misandry just annoys, so stop complaining" crowd. I will admit there are things you've said here that I very much disagree with even now, but I wanted to get that our of the way first. I think it is actively harmful to equate …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:40 PM
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Oh no, I understand the context, I just disagreed with the assertion that Andrew Tate isn't a good counter example. Tate is known as an infamous "lord of incels" and widely condemned by polite society, while people like the hosts of The View and others like them are given anything from a blind eye to actual thunderous applause due to "punching up" or "sticking it to the oppresors" or whatever other nonsense is attached to blatant anti male rhetoric. I think that is a very salient point to bring …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:13 PM
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But you felt compelled to explain to us why misogynists like Tate were worse than The View, according to your personal idealogy. You just couldn't criticize them without explaining why those people were worse. It's true that you didn't go after men in general but it's the same energy----it's impossible to acknowledge the presence of misandric rhetoric without "padding" it by saying misogny is worse. It's like you're afraid people will somehow forget about misogny and turn women into slaves if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 10:55 AM
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Wrong about what part?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:37 PM
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I don't know what happened to them, but some of the people who post there go below and beyond the usual misandrist bs into true evil. The one that always stands out to me is the woman who took her two under-ten-years-old sons to a woman's march or protest of some kind, and another woman yelled at them for being boys and proceeded to rail against the things that men had done to women over the centuries. Rather than comfort the obviously upset children she let the woman finish and then actually re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 07:29 PM
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I beg to differ. I wish that was the case. But unfortunately some of these people do have kids and if they are of the "enemy" gender they treat them like garbage. Although...I'll be perfectly blunt, the only ones I've heard admitting to this kind of thing with zero self awareness of how evil it makes them is the feminist side. I genuinely don't think I've ever seen/heard Red Pill or Manosphere or whatever act like that. But I could be wrong. I don't know, it's beyond depressing and anger inducin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 05:37 PM
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Imagine the reaction if you started a sentence "a good woman would..." See, I can imagine saying something like that (although I may be more inclined to use the term "good person" depending on the context). But I would never use it with the goal of manipulating someone into accepting an insult and using their own morality against them to discourage dissent. That...psychopathic behavior, to be perfectly blunt. I'm going to tread very carefully here partially because I don't want to break Rule 6 a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 04:57 PM
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Thinking it's dehumanising to be compared, unfavourably to a fucking bear makes you a rapist lmao. Yeah, I've studiously avoided this "man vs bear" insanity for a while since I know it will just raise my blood pressure and depress me. But I finally gave in yesterday and I was unfortunately very correct. You hit the nail right on the head with how some of these "people" respond. You are expected to calmly and humbly accept dehumanizing and insulting things said about your gender. Any attempt to d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 01:57 PM
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Well thank you. I wouldn't have gone that far but I believe this particular issue (men being "chained" to a particular role and desperately clinging to it rather than moving forward, along with an antipathy towards other male humans) is the abject core of our problems. From men and boys stifling and even hurting each other, to enterprising and anti male groups using this state of being to advance their own goals using us as their fodder. It all stems from us viewing ourselves as a utility, with …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/24 10:30 AM
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I know I sound like a broken record, or worse, some kind of copy-pasta troll, but I think this is an important and dire men's issue that needs to be addressed more. There is a parasitic relationship between men and women that is championed by progressive leaning people, whether out of intentional malice or a misguided and twisted morality. Under this harmful and one-sided paradigm, men are expected to follow the ancient traditions of the male role---the guardian/protector, the living shield betw…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/24 12:09 PM
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TLDR: Not all feminists hate men but their idealogy makes them incredibly susceptible to hatred. Hate or not, they care less about their male loved ones than nonfeminists. I was hesitant to engage with this, but sure why not? So, I'm assuming "feminists" in this context isn't just code for "women"? Because that would change things, and what I'm going to say applies to women and men who operate under the idealogy of feminism. Personally speaking, as someone who is pretty averse to feminists---I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 08:22 PM
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I pondered for a while I'd dignify this with a response, but okay whatever. Then why on earth are you and your kind masquerading as left wing? Well, the reason I "masquerade" as left wing is because I believe in left wing ideals such as universal healthcare, prison reform (although I have mixed feelings on what form that would take), a better standard of living that would prevent huge swaths of our population from existing in a state of poverty or semi-homelessnes and at least some closing of th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/24 08:54 AM
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It might sound cringeworthy, but I wish I could upvote this more than once because your comment definitely describes a sentiment I've come across more than I can count in various spaces. There's an attitude of disdain and irritation at men mentioning our issues and then a simultaneous fury when we take steps to address those problems ourselves, and those methods run afoul of women's interests and issues. Then it's a grand betryal and proof of men's malicious intent and perhaps even nature. Which…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:56 PM
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Thank you. It's a litte more...candid and blunt than I usually get on here (or any other sub), but I'm just tired of it. I have zero patience left for this doe-eyed false innocence that always crops up in response to this phenomenon. It's like repeatedly punching someone, and then when they lash out at you, acting shocked and deeply emotionally wounded that your target raised a hand to you. It's just ridiculous, manipulative and overwhelmingly pathetic. I'm not exactly accusing the OP of that be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 12:19 PM
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Certainly. I have seen (and participated in) threads where men have sought advice asking for help with their girlfriends/partners who have a severely anti male outlook and it is affecting them. The majority of the answers advise the man to "not make it about him" and accept that her horrible experiences as a woman living in a patriarchal society imprinted her with negativity towards men. So the only thing the man can do is "prove himself" as one of the "good ones" and bear the hatred since it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 10:52 AM
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I think what you're seeing is just the reaction to the ever-increasing anti male sentiment that has infested society since at least 2015. I'm not going to stand here and condone packs of misogynist men attacking women online and making their lives miserable. I can and will condemn it strictly according to my own principles. But I have a very hard time feeling sympathy (much less a desire to lift a finger to engage in actual effort on behalf of) a group of people who have carried out a sustained …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 10:15 AM
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I always hear this but for some reason so many of those who say it can never really name precise examples of this "coddling of men" that is so rampant while women are held to unforgiving, rigid standards. To be frank I think it's the exact opposite, at least in the US. I can't tell you the amount if times I've seen women's heinous behavior excused, downplayed or even justified and those who try to call it out told that they need to "HAvE EmPaThY fOR thEiR stUggLe" or a number of other manipulati…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 09:57 AM
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Well then that really is different from my experience and for what it is worth I am sorry you have had that experience. I think forced machismo and rigid standards of masculinity are damaging to men especially if there is a threat of punishment/violence attached to it, waiting to strike those who don't perform. I will say that I have some slight...disagreements about your latter points, although that might be because it's not quite clear what you are talking about. Seeking ways to grow and devel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 02:14 AM
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Trust me I have seen far worse in the years since then. Actually I had seen worse where this was concerned well before that incident, it just jarred me because I had never seen an MRA do such a dark 180 like that. But anyway... There is no "nice" or sensitive way to say this so I'll just come out with it; it's certainly a topic I've broached before. Seeing that play out, along with a number of other experiences with these types of men, is why I tend to view men with daughters or an abundance of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 02:06 AM
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I'm curious what you consider to be "gynocentric" (although I don't particularly like that word). I have come across a number of men who take great and genuine pains to center women's issues or at least hold them in high esteem, to the point that they neglect, downplay or even ignore or fight against men's issues. They don't always act like the loud, overblown and cartoonishly self righteous blowhards you see on the internet. Often they are far more subdued, subtler, and if they are men close to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/24 09:28 PM
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even many conservative MRAs claim to care about men but always play into gynocentrism I don't know how widespread it is, but that is definitely an accurate and unfortunate observation. I told this story on this sub once once before, but years ago on r/mensrights, there was a post about a school program targeted at young boys, ten and under (or perhaps it was only a program proposal; it's been so long that can't remember). Either way, this program would introduce the topics of sexual violence and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/24 10:48 AM
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Positive masculinity is just a way to trick men into following traditional gender roles that benefit women, and to uphold the status quo. It is just traditional masculinity with a female gaze this time. This definitely hits the nail on the head. Forgive me if this is somewhat cringeworthy, but it reminds me of a quote from an anime (Attack on Titan if anyone wants to know). It goes something like this: "I don't know if I like the words 'good person'. In my experience, that usually just means som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/24 04:50 PM
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does it really hurt them though? Actually yes it really does hurt them, although right now it isn't severe enough to warrant any change in their behavior. Continuous misandry and overall slandering of men and boys increases misogyny as resentment and bitterness builds. It fuels the rise of extremely misogynistic movements led by charismatic figures who appeal to these resentful and furious men. More insidiously there is the overall effect this resentment has on individual men when it comes to th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/24 12:05 PM
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That's... not what I said at all. I'm saying that women still have issues that need advocating for. Well then perhaps I simply misunderstood you, for which I apologize. But with that said, I stand by my assertion that your framing of the issue uses a lot of the language I see employed to keep men in situations where our efforts and services on women's behalf is not only not reciprocated or even appreciated but met with continued demonization and scorn. Many people who insist that men ignore thes…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/24 08:45 AM
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You've correctly observed instances of societal discrimination against men in favor of women, but that's not an excuse to then abandon women's advocacy, or to abdicate its responsibility to Feminism. Now more than ever, we need those who will advocate for women without condemning men or dismissing their problems. I'm sorry, but did you completely unironically go "women most affected" while openly acknowledging that there has been a huge degree of social detriment done to men at feminism's behest…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/24 08:48 PM
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Who is the "theirs"? Misandrists, or at the very least people who feel it is appropriate or okay to make hateful generalizing statements about men and boys as a whole. I was explaining to the OP (and admittedly a little bad-temperedly due to their defending of such behavio) that people who make hateful generalizations about men are not the kind of people one wants to be around especially if you are male. They'll be civil to you as long as you go along with them but the instant you show even the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 06:05 PM
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Well thank you. Personally I don't consider myself a "good" person but that is nice to hear. To address the rest of your comment---the problem is that you are feeding into an overall climate of misandric rhetoric that has been steadily poisoning society for nearly a decade now, perhaps more (I'm only basing my estimate on when I became aware of it). It has eaten away at the perception of men in society, allowed misandrists to flourish and boldly state their hate when they would have been censure…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/24 01:38 AM
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I am an adult human male, but I don't feel like a man. It might stem from my traumatic history and mental status. And I'm sorry about that, whatever it is you have endured. It might not mean anything coming from an internet strsnger, but I do mean that. With that said, I stand by my previous statement. You cannot complain about misandrist behavior and then turn around and minimize or even justify hatred of men as a whole. That you are a man makes it even more unacceptable and disgusting. There i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/24 01:16 AM
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I understand hating men as a collective Then you have no right to complain when the hatred rolls right up to your front door and actually affects you or men you care about. If you think hating men as a collective is okay, you are just as bad as the people you claim to be against. You are an enemy of men and boys and your backwards and disgusting ways will earn you no sympathy. At least not from those who can see through the facade. You would be perfectly comfortable with hatred against certain m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 11:39 PM
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You don't have to answer this, but it is a genuine "good faith" question. I got banned from mens rights for constantly talking about sexism towards women. Often when people are trying to discuss their problems as a gender, people coming in to point out the other genders issues is in bad taste Why would you do something like that? I get perhaps once or twice but in your own words you did it "constantly". It's more than in poor taste, it's pretty obnoxious actually. I just don't get why you'd feel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 03:48 PM
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so the male victims by s.a = men I'm sorry I don't understand what you're trying to say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 03:26 AM
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Well yes, there are those women who have an internalized hatred of their own kind and I suppose that's unfortunate too. Both can be devastating for their respective sides and I can definitely see why women's groups take so much time to crush any and all possible instances of internalized misogyny and educate or even punish the holders of those views. We could greatly learn from that. Just goes to show how tribal and almost cultlike people can be online. Truly sad It's sad but it's a necessary wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/24 04:27 PM
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That's certainly fair. Perhaps it was just the way you phrased it that seemed to odd and a little jarring. I will admit that I am very biased against any kind of agreement or defense of such statements particularly if they come from other men. I just don't think we are at a place in society right now where we can afford to agree with negative/blaming statements like that in any capacity; there needs to be a far more united front presented to the other side. So that might have influenced the way …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/24 07:38 PM
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I'm starting to realize more and more that male humans (I refuse to address them as men) like this are the real enemy here. Or perhaps the real problem to be solved is the better term since enemy can be viewed as extreme. Misandrist women are certainly anger inducing and they can truly cause chaos and strife in the lives of men and boys if they slither into a position of power or use social might as a weapon. But these males stand far above them when it comes to the damage they do. They have far…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/24 06:54 PM
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It's a bit cringey coming from a man ngl, real pick me energy I mean...you say that but then you go on to defend the statement, and you do this as a man (at least I assume you are a man based on the rest of your comment; I apologize if I'm mistaken.) This isn't meant to snark at you, it's an observation and genuine curiosity. Do you not see at least some of the irony in your behavior? Why bother to defend it at all?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/24 06:47 PM
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I'm sorry but how on Earth is this a "left wing" opinion? It's certainly a hot take but I don't really see anything left leaning about it, unless you mean that it is loosely anti male and certainly concludes that a male problem is their own fault. That's certainly a bit left wing, unfortunately. But I feel like, if anything, this swings pretty right; it definitely leans hard into that rugged individualism, radical personal responsibility that the right is known for. Frankly I don't think your op…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/24 05:22 PM
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Just because calling it an “oppressor class” illicits an emotional response in you, doesn’t mean it should All I'll say on that is we will just have to agree to disagree. There is a very distinct meaning and context in those words and just because you don't think it should illicit an emotional response doesn't mean it won't. The moment you use such strong negative language towards a person, most of the time you will make them quite hostile, since you have labeled them and their "kind" something …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:30 PM
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Well alright, I'll take your word for it. I just think it is a harmful viewpoint to hold especially when you presumably have friends, family who are part of these "oppressors". Frankly I don't think anyone with these beliefs is capable of a truly positive relationship with any male human. In my experience people who see men as "the oppressor class" have vastly less empathy and compassion for the males in their lives, including their own children, making them subpar friends, family and overall "r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:23 PM
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Men are the oppressor class. Do you routinely tell the men in your life that they are privileged oppressors?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:06 PM
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Sorry I couldn't reply sooner because I feel this deserves a response. I will say that I feel like we are talking past each other to a certain degree and maybe that's on me and I'm not communicating my point properly, so I will try again. I understand that people who've been harmed by feminism in various ways may not be eager to acknowledge the positive contributions it's made to society This is what I don't get. You acknowledge that there are people who have been harmed (sometimes egregiously) …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/24 11:43 PM
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Except that not every statement is an attack. That's the problem - interpreting criticism as hostility. That is objectively true, but in practice it is vastly harder to differentiate. There are so many times where people launch hateful jabs at groups they deeply dislike, only to duck behind the convenient shield of criticism to deny their blatant negativity and malevolent intent. Other times they really are making good faith critiques but are so heavy handed and harsh with their words that they …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/24 05:02 PM
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Perhaps I phrased it poorly and that's on me. My point was this: This is a place for discussions about how to solve or at least alleviate men's issues. I do not see how acknowledging the achievements of feminism contributes to that goal. In other words, why are you championing it and asking the people here to do a similar action if it has zero positive effects? While not an actual part of my question my second point was that it is obvious that a group of people negatively impacted by something w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/24 03:38 PM
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I mean, that's how it should be, don't you think? There's no reason for groups to stand idly by and tolerate attacks on them. We have every right to defend ourselves and respond to hostility. It's only labeled "reactionary" because those doing the attacking dislike when their targets defend themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/24 12:31 PM
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But we can acknowledge both its good dimensions and its bad dimensions. So, this is a genuine question, although of course you're under no obligation to answer it: In what way do men and men's issues benefit from "acknowledging the good and bad of feminism and its effects"? Does it contribute to bolstering our slandered image in society? Does it bolster the floundering numbers of boys in higher education or ensure greater success in schools? Does it lessen the lack of care for our wellbeing fost…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/24 12:15 PM
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With all due respect, this response is in the territory of "Type 2-B" of the men I mentioned in my original comment---the men who acknowledge the harm done to us by a lot of these groups and continue to stalwartly stand by their side because it's "the right thing to do/we have to be better than they are". I want to say that I understand the mindset and the decision to stand by what is right regardless of how badly you or your group are treated---because, I truly do actually. But I'd be lying if …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/24 05:20 PM
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Great point about the internalized misandry being a huge issue for the men part. So a post about a Comedian saying how the worst problem a man can have is wifi, while only women worry about rape. And I also like the idea of your 2-3 fractions for men. Sorry for the late reply, but you brought up a pretty interesting point with this particular sentence. In fact it's an issue I've been thinking about a lot and even wanted to make a whole post about on its own, but didn't quite have the idea or "in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/24 05:07 PM
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I have to slightly disagree with this, although I definitely agree with your overall point. The refusal to accept neutrality on women's issues isn't confined to women, there is a high number of men who feel the same way. On this very sub there was a recent series of posts (and comments on posts) by men who were absolutely outraged at the idea of men simply being indifferent to women's issues or deciding to put a larger focus on men's problems and give women's concerns the leftovers. Because I am…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 01:31 AM
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"Men and women are not friends/allies" is a hill I will die on, not because I have an ideological commitment to the belief or even because I take pleasure in holding it---quite the opposite actually, I think it is a tragedy. But I think it is foolish to pretend otherwise, and the increasing amounts of data showing just how politically divided men and women are prove it to be true. Men and women are not enemies, I would never say that exactly. And I do know that on an individual basis there are m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 06:35 PM
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I'm glad you understand. It's one of my most "hardline" (and I'd even be willing to admit, somewhat radical) beliefs, but I think that people with this mindset need to be actively barred from positions, opportunities and situations where they will hold power over male children. I have no idea how such a thing would or could be accomplished (the furthest I've gotten is some kind of ideological screening/test as part of a background check). It isn't really something I think can or even should be m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 09:10 PM
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Yes it's completely indefensible and it doesn't just make me angry/offended, it enrages me because provided these people aren't trolls or playing it up for their fellow echo chamber inhabitants, there are real boys suffering under the thumb of these wastes of human life. All because in their twisted minds they have a member of the "oppressor class" in their midst and they must act accordingly. I have said this before and I want to just put it in again---I don't believe that these people hate the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 07:41 PM
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Perhaps this is petty of me (although I don't think so)but I will always hold a "grudge" against that sub. Not in the sense of harboring hatred or a desire to even do anything to them per se, more like a deep wariness and disdain for the place and its users. The reason is because that is the sub where a post asking about whether or not you would support your son if he was accused of sexusl assault/rape was asked. Regardless of the good faith nature of the question, I consider the answers the pos…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 06:54 PM
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Kind of a late comment, but thank you for writing all that out. Upon seeing that reply I just decided there was no point in continuing the exchange, since this was exactly what I was talking about and saying was inexcusable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 01:19 PM
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I'm sorry I replied so late, I wanted to take time and think so I could give this comment the attention deserves. First of all I am very sorry about what you experienced and congratulations on not only making it through that circumstances but doing so and still possessing not only goodwill but the inclination to advocate on behalf of men. Quite honestly it puts a lot of my own issues in perspective. I do hope that things change in the future, I truly do. I don't think my current mindset of "men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 12:11 PM
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I'm glad it did, I wanted to share it to give some hope of getting through to people like that. Unfortunately I really don't know of any readings or resources regarding this kind of thing, at least not off the top of my head. At the time, I just kind of said what came into my mind; as ridiculous as it sounds, I just kind of said what I've always wanted to say to "good men/male allies" like that (well, the respectful things I've wanted to say to them). By some weird roll of the dice I got through…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 03:01 PM
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Thank you. It's funny because it all happened because I couldn't help but break my usual stance on internet arguments and type out an angry/nasty comment. So some good came from that lapse in my principles. It was a public conversation and as far as I know the thread was never deleted and the comments were definitely public. I hope someone else can be influenced by that. The whole thing massively surprised me since I had never had it happen before. Hopefully one day this will not be the case, bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 02:52 PM
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she told me that it's valid to not follow an ideology if I think that's not beneficial to me. That's both amazing and simultaneously sad at the same time. On the one hand, whatever your relationship becomes with her, you've found a sensible and fair minded individual and I think you should definitely treasure that. On the other...her opinion is rational and pure common sense, combined with an understanding of how people work. It shouldn't make me so happy to see it in someone, but I've become so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 01:48 PM
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This might seem petty compared to the examples already listed (and ones that are yet to come) but it's something that I've never accomplished in my near decade if speaking up about men's issues. This summer I actually convinced a young man (well, younger than me) to snap out of the "dedicated male ally" mode and actually consider things from his own gender's point of view. To explain in detail because this has the potential to be misconstrued: I was on another site and in a thread talking about …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 01:40 PM
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Respectfully, what you're doing right now is kind of what I was talking about. I didn't say that people don't feel bad about young boys who are abused. I specifically said that in arguments about male priviledge, people will talk about how bad it is that a young boy was abused...and then go on to talk about how as bad as it is, his female counterpart has it worse. That is frankly inexcusable as far as I'm concerned because, no matter how many times the person saying it denies doing this, they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 05:35 PM
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Damn right.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 02:22 PM
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Oh yeah I definitely wasn't trying to insinuate that you were. I'd never make an accusation like that of someone unless they were blatantly saying it to my face (in which case it would more be calling it out). People like that are (in my opinion) what happens when someone's idealogy eats their humanity and I truly hope I never become like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 02:20 PM
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I'm not saying that people don't feel bad for children being abused. What I was specifically talking about is when there are arguments about whether male priviledge exists and it's nature, a go to example is a boy being abused his entire childhood. The person giving the example explains that he is still privileged by virtue of being male, and they go on to say that, they acknowledge his life is horrible but it's still easier than a girl in similar circumstances. I have heard this many times over…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 02:13 PM
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Maybe I'm just phrasing your point but the way I look at it is that you have to view men and women as members of two countries. Not enemy nations per se, but countries who are very much dedicated to their own advancement and self interest at all costs. Citizens of that country can have lovely and fulfilling relationships with each other, but at the end of the day they will be loyal to their own side and if it comes down to a zero sum game, they will choose what enriches them regardless of how un…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 02:04 PM
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There's no "one" reason but instead a myriad of them, like hundreds of paths all leading to the same destination. Some use this as a semi-valid rebuttal to arguments such as women did not contribute to the progression of humanity nearly as much as men did. Women point out that the female gender was largely relegated to a more domestic role, thus they couldn't do some of the things that men did. Note, I say that this is a semi-valid response because, although I think it holds water, I've usually …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:47 PM
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What does that even mean? No, I mean it seriously I can't understand what you're trying to say, for better or worse. If by "compete" you mean that men need to fight to have our issues heard, then I'm already there, have been doing it for nearly a decade now. I also disagree that there is no "political" solution to the issue. There is one, it just takes time and immense effort and commitment just like any other political task. It means organizing demonstrations and public outcries about men's pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:18 PM
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I tend to frequent a lot of gender discussion threads and communities (which unfortunately just means gender wars, usually). I've heard this a lot more than times than I can count unfortunately, to the point I cannot dismiss it as a pack of fringe crazies. Like I said, it isn't even something these typrs have to be baited into saying, it's one of the standard debate points/examples regarding the existence of male priviledge. Every time I read or hear a person say it (women and unfortunately a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:12 PM
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That is correct, and that is how it should be. But trust me you will find no shortage of people willing to shoot their mouths off about how abuse of boys isn't "as bad" as that of girls. Their logic is usually that no matter how miserable a male child's life is, he still has male priviledge to fall back on, therefore his life won't be as bad as a female child who is also abused. In fact the child abuse example is one of the things these "people" (and I use the word loosely) use to explain and de…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:03 PM
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Attention isn’t a zero sum game. Actually it is. Objectively so, in fact. There is a finite amount of compassion/empathy/well-wishes/whatever word you want to use that humans can extend at a given moment. Think of it like a piece of stretchy material, the wider you pull it, the thinner and weaker it becomes. Or like a pie---the more pieces you give to everyone, the smaller these pieces must become until they aren't worth the effort it takes to chew. All that is to say that attention to men's pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:00 PM
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I feel like a lot of people paradoxically understand this and yet do not understand this at all. Leftists focus a great deal on fighting for the oppressed and downtrodden to be given rights and freeodoms. So to an outside observer (or someone ignorant of history) it would seem to be a collection of ideologies that focus on uplifting those around you, empathy and compassion for others and overall making the world a better and at least somewhat fairer place. And they wouldn't be wrong, really, jus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/24 03:29 PM
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Well thank you, I tried to make an understandable and coherent analysis of the situation. Feel free to bookmark it and use it; I think more people need to understand this and take action.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/24 07:26 PM
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I definitely agree with this statement, although I'd expand it to say that if you start to see political/social messaging in everything, it will start to eat away your enjoyment of entertainment. Media literacy is one thing, but dissecting every line of dialogue, every gesture, every action, will burn you out and make you unable to enjoy anything. ...that said, there are some things that once you notice them, are absolutely impossible not to see. Like when someone points out an optical illusion,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:51 PM
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I just want to preface this by saying that I am engaging in huge oversimplification of the issues at hand, but I don't have the time to do a really in depth dive into the heart of things. Anyway... Something I've observed for a long time now is that the way the right and left interact with men, and as many problems as I have with the right wing side of things, I will admit that I think they "get it right" (ha ha, I know) when it comes to how they deal with men, at least in their own way. To expl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/24 04:41 PM
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Why is it so hard to just be neutral? Especially if you're an outside observer with no context rather than a close friend that someone is confiding in for emotional reassurance Because "Being neutral in the face of oppression means automatically siding with the oppressor" or some such nonsense. It's the attitude of being either "with us" or "against us" and refusing to allow a middle ground to exist. I've spoken and interacted with people like this---they tend to believe that if you do not fully…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/24 11:26 AM
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I let my masochistic urges win and waded deeply into the original thread, and apart from coming out somewhat depressed, it further confirms my overall outlook on the state of gender relations and activism. I have said this before (and to my increasing alarm have gotten pushback from it especially recently) but I stand by the idea that there is a certain inescapable divide between men and women on certain issues. We cannot be "allies" or friends or whatever word you want to use, when it comes to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/24 11:18 AM
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Thank you. I try to be respectful and civil but I am beyond done with this "please, can't you just find it in your heart to have some empathy..." or "We're just asking you to be a good ally" bullshit. 9 times out of 10 people who use that language wouldn't know empathy or true allyship if it sank its fangs into their ass. They don't want empathy and they don't want allies. They want a legion of self sacrificing slaves who will go against their own best interests to the point of acting as willing…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:39 PM
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No, lack of care for someone else can also be the sign of a person with healthy boundaries, and this is definitely the case here. If someone cares little to nothing for your wellbeing and indeed is antagonistic and cruel at every opportunity, then you have no mandate to care about them or their interests. As the person you responded to said, feminism (and definitely feminists) have made it very clear that their priority is the wellbeing and advancement of women's rights and interests at all cost…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 01:09 PM
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I can understand what you are trying to say (and honestly I would have been more specific and detailed in my original post had I really thought anyone would respond). One can certainly have positive relationships between people with differing power dynamics, but I would argue that your examples of parents and children are nothing like the relationships between males and feminists (or more specifically people who believe that men are a "historically oppressive class" and women are their victims. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 11:38 AM
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You can't believe in a male oppressor/female oppressed dynamic and have a truly positive relationship with male humans. It's just not possible. That even includes loved ones such as partners, spouses, family and even offspring. That doesn't mean that there will be hatred towards those men and boys but the relationship will be tainted and twisted and you will be more willing to sacrifice them should the need arise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 09:45 PM
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I have to admit I highly doubt your sincerity or at least I doubt the sincerity of most people who use the arguments you do. From my experience "you need to have empathy" is a manipulation tactic used to push men into supporting feminist causes, even when they do not benefit us and even when the people participating in those efforts curse us. And I'll admit its a well crafted trick too; it perfectly targets the aspects of masculinity a lot of us are raised with---be strong, be good, protect and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 09:35 PM
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Ah okay I understand. It was a little confusing especially since I just came from that thread and have been putting in my two cents there. But thanks for clarifying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 09:08 PM
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I'm confused. Are you saying that the regressive leftist view that men need to "atone" is endorsed on this sub? Because I think it's quite the opposite. The OP of that thread and many others do seem to hold that view that men need to help women's issues no matter what may happen (although I would add that their views aren't "men are bad so we owe it to them", as much as it is obsession with turning the other cheek and moral highgrounds). But even there, a lot of people are fighting back against …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 09:00 PM
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In the vast majority of situations, it 100% absolutely should. If you're tricked or brainwashed into doing something wrong you're most certainly not as accountable as if you were doing it with full knowledge of the situation (e.g. for personal gain). I think we will have to just agree to disagree on that, at least from a moral perspective. I do agree with you about people who are tricked into doing things that they would otherwise condemn/recoil from and similarly about people who are in a compr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 04:30 PM
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I don’t mean “women’s issues should take front and center and we need to cautiously talk about men without stepping on their feelings....I just mean everything is connected to an extent and there needs to be caution and intellectual integrity and empathy (in true leftist fashion) so we don’t become what we despise. Would you mind providing an example of this kind of method? What would this look like in actual practice?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:12 PM
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I'm asking this in good faith and as civilly as possible so I hope I'll be responded to in kind: Do you understand what you are advocating for? I really mean that. What you are basically asking is that men, as a whole, stay in what I call a "parasitic relationship". One partner does all the emotional, physical and mental work while the other not only does nothing but is actively harmful and abusive. I've seen this type of dynamic play out several times; I was even firsthand witness to a parent t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 01:24 PM
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Society is so used to having sacrificial Men at their beck&call that people simply act entitled to male selflessness. Thank you for saying this because it's such a blatant and transparent issue that it would be funny if the circumstances weren't so sad. I can understand and support taking action against misogynists taking pleasure in women's rights being ignored or taken away, but it is nothing less than despicable when simple apathy or a suggestion that we focus more on our own concerns is met …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 12:58 PM
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While I agree with you that the person you replied to should avoid such rhetoric, I have to say the rest of your reply rubs me the wrong way. It comes off as borderline excusing a set of extremely unfair laws that could negatively effect the male population of many countries, or at least trying to give those responsible a pass. People commit all sorts of evil while operating under the impression they are agents of a greater good whether it is their own belief or deception by others. While there …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 12:00 PM
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And yet, you clearly care enough to write a multiparagraph comment telling me how little you care. Okay. 🤡 As for the rest of what you said... Heterosexual marriage very much was a business deal throughout history, no one denied that. Rape, torture, murder and whatever other atrocities you can imagine were often perpetuated too, with far less qualms than now. However...it is not just wrong but blatantly ahistorical to blanketly say that love/romantic feelings did not exist prior to the Enlighten…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 06:06 PM
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This may seem like a bare minimum thing, but I'd like to thank you for approaching this from a pragmatic standpoint rather than some variation of "B-but it doesn't matter how mean they are, swwe still have to help them because it's the 'right thing to do'". I see that far too often these days and I think it has zero place in these kinds of conversations. Anyway... I see the point you are trying to make and I think it's a good one. I don't even really disagree with it in terms of its accuracy or …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 05:49 PM
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I'm actually curious as to why you consider this idea "morally bankrupt". First of all that's a pretty severe judgement and second of all, I don't see even the smallest bit of immorality in focusing solely on our problems---unless you think men have an inherent duty to stand by women's side regardless of how we are treated. A morally wrong plan would be based upon antagonism or even violence towards the other side, and I have never once advocated anything of the sort. If anything what I am pushi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 03:55 PM
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How have heterosexual relationships ever worked out? (Kind of a rhetorical question, largely coercion and pressure obvs). You know....I largely abstain from this kind of thing (particularly on this sub) but I'm going to say it. I am genuinely embarrassed and ashamed of myself that I gave you the benefit of the doubt when reading your previous comments here. I didn't agree with your position and thought it was dismissive and cold, but I could somewhat understand why you might see things that way.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 01:48 PM
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Unfortunately that "teams" mindset is the hand we have been dealt. So I intend to make the mkst of it, and I will support my "team" almost unconditionally because you be sure the others will do the same to theirs. That's the problem with ideals---if you follow yours rigidly and everyone else decides to just do what is helpful, convenient or easy, you will lose and your moral standpoint will mean nothing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 12:58 PM
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You can care about mens issues and womens issues at the same time. No, I don't think that's possible anymore, at least not in the way I think you're suggesting. Personally I feel empathy for women's issues. As in, I can put myself in their position and understand why they may feel/act in certain ways in response to those real or perceived concerns. I can feel some compassion for things they suffer from. But that is the hard limit to my generosity. I will never let those softer feelings compromis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 12:56 PM
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You sound confused more than anything else. I'm not the one who brought any of this up I actually wasn't specifically referring to you, more so about a trend I have seen on this sub since the summer of 2022. You are just one person in a group who have come here asking men to remember women's issues and devote time and effort to them because "it's the right thing to do". So again you are not the first and unfortunately you are likely not going to be the last. I read the original comment you respo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/24 01:27 PM
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you should also respect Men's Apathy for a society that's increasingly hostile to them, instead of trying to shame them back into compliance Thank you. I am both frustrated and abjectly flabbergasted by these people who come here, into a space dedicated to men's issues and bring up how we need to devote some of our time to women's causes. Then when it's pointed out to them how inappropriate their intrusion is, they throw a tantrum or start throwing passive aggressive shaming tactics in hopes tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 05:02 PM
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A lot of MRAs seem to disagree with this, they say it amounts to apologizing to feminists for speaking up, given feminists overwhelming presence and control in the mainstream discussion. I don't exactly identify as an MRA but I also deeply disagree with the idea that there needs to be a constant acknowledgement of the other side's issues and concerns. There are several reasons that I have thus outlook, most of them practical and a few emotional. First of all the practical aspect because that is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/24 04:04 PM
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See, now you sound "overly aggressive" (not to mention insufferably condescending) and you also didn't really address any of the points I made. So I'll repeat them in a far more basic format. I do not see the reason that men should go out of our way to dedicate our efforts to addressing women's issues when there is not the same level of concern and reciprocation on their end. If anything there is a great deal of antagonism. Take away all the emotion from the situation and use logic---it is not r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 09:35 PM
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I feel the need to clarify here that my disagreement (and I admit anger and irritation) with u/FightOrFreight isn't really centered around the abortion debate. I see abortion as a women's issue, albeit one that can severely affect men, but I look at it as largely a women's concern. My issue is that, as I have said in other comments on this sub, there seems to be a very lopsided and parasitic relationship between men and women. Women have carte blanche to be hateful, misandrist and overall disgus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 12:23 PM
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I don't think you sound overly aggressive but you come off as having far too much empathy for the other side when you should conserve it for men. I don't see men withdrawing our allyship and support as collective punishment so much as I see it as consequences for one's actions. You are very right that the group most supportive to these rights are incredibly hostile to men and even boys, often cursing us as an oppressor class and all sorts of other things I'm sure you are familiar with. Why then,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/24 10:43 PM
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It benefits from you getting angry and lashing out against them. That’s how they get members. There are no better friends than misogynist men and misandrist women. They live in symbiosis similar to radical islamists and rabid nationalists, because the more hostile one of them is, the more neutral people of the opposite gender who see them are likely to join the other side. Id So....I understand what you're saying and I actually think you're making a logical point. But the way I see it, is that t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/24 02:26 PM
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not many people want to have anything to do with an ideology that not only doesn’t offer them anything, but also considers them the root of all evil. I genuinely cannot understand why people do not understand this simple obvious fact. You don't have to be a politician or political scientist or a philosopher, mental health professional or any other expert in human behavior. You literally don't even have to be an adult to recognize that people won't be nice to you if you treat them badly. "You cat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/24 07:25 PM
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There is no nice way to say this. Anti male entities use people like you to further entrench their gender-baseed bigotry until it becomes law or at least something like it. You're feeding into the way anti male parties mimic the desire for "empathy" and "compassion" to manipulate men into acting against our own beat interests and turning on those who hold firm. "Making someone a little more comfortable" is an obfuscation of the situations true nature. You are not turning up the air conditioning …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/24 05:19 PM
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But modern women and feminist ideology seem to be pushing men's tolerance. Republic of Gilead when? But in all seriousness, that point is actually something I really do worry about. It's something that has haunted me for quite some time to the point where I feel like I can just hear the clock ticking, the sound of the balloon's plastic stretching to bursting. People talk about the "pendulum swing" effect and the impending backlash that will explode when it finally does. They use Trump's presiden…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/24 01:05 PM
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THANKED by feminists for being a good ally and "understanding how women feel...Feminist men also talk about gladly performing this act. I know this isn't entirely on topic (so I apologize for potentially derailing the conversation) but I feel this is important to get out there. Men like this are victims of a number of factors but one of the more pernicious of them is a manipulation tactic---well, a series of them, really---that seem tailor made to interface with the way men are raised in our soc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 09:24 PM
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Also the weird casual racism justification there was pretty wild.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 07:03 PM
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To answer the question no not really although it has crossed my mind more than a few times. I've caught myself wondering how threatening or "dangerous" I come off to women at times such as when walking down a sidewalk or during certain interactions. But I don't let it dominate my mind or really dictate my actions unless it's something practical like ensuring I don't have a problem due to someone taking my behavior/presence as malevolent. Even in those cases my actions are not centered around the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 12:09 PM
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And trust me, "women and children" in a lot of these situations is code for "women and girls". Heck look at the very topic of the thread. It very explicitly targets male children as potential aggressors to be sorted out before they become dangerous. They are not students to be educated, they are problems to be preemptively solved. I shouldn't be surprised, but it always disgusts me how this kind of misandrist thinking has slowly but steadily (de)evolved into turning its baleful gaze on kids, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/24 08:54 PM
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I don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is a perfectly reasonable answer (perhaps your statement about liberals making men's lives hell touched a few nerves?) People absolutely look out for their own interests; frankly I feel like that is the simplest explanation behind the men/conservative and women/progressive shift. It's not as stark and black and white but it is the foundation of the issue. Progressive policies and people often uplift women and shower them with perks while praising t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/24 01:50 PM
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I had a much longer and more thought out response in mind but then I realized that this doesn't deserve it. Throughout our conversation you said none of the things you just claimed to. All you've done is deny that misandrists go out of their way to attack men and boys and insist that they are a flock of poor helpless women, barely holding together under the endless pain that is being a woman in the world. They never do bad things only commiserate together on their misery. So, you ignored every e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 01:32 PM
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Okay, I was trying to be polite and reach some sort of middle ground (not to mention you actually did change my perspective somewhat). But at the end of the day it seems that it was a wasted effort since you've resorted to a textbook example of the manipulative antics I outlined in the previous posts. So let's just set a few things straight so we both know where we stand on the issue: It just sounds like you don't think women are actually viciously oppressed and thought of as less than people an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 04:23 PM
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TLDR: You changed my mind about how aggressive and "targeted" misogynists can be but I still believe misandrists are very dedicated to making men and boys believe they are worthless and evil. Misandrists don't give a flying fuck what men think. If that is the case, then why do so many anti male women go out of their way to ensure the men and boys around them internalize misandrist rhetoric and accept it as unshakable truth? Why was a woman cheered and praised when she said that she raised her so…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 12:46 PM
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Perhaps you and I just interpret it differently. I've come across "cartoon villain" levels of misogyny and misandry many times over the years and they tend to take very different forms when it comes to dealing with backlash. Both double down on their offensive beliefs but I stand by my observations. Misogynists tend to mock their female challengers with taunts and insults to show that they consider their very opinion invalid/inferior/delusional and thus dismiss it right out of the gate. See such…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:54 AM
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Just casually dropping nuclear bombs of misandry and expecting everyone to nod their heads Herein lies the difference between misogynists and misandrists, at least as far as I have seen. Misogynists (or at least people who have a lot of hostile sexism towards women if not outright hatred) don't care about how the women around them react to their sexist diatribes. Oh, they'll react to women's anger and other negative emotions regarding their sexism, but it's largely in the form of taunts or mocki…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:37 AM
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I did wonder but I've seen so many people expressing that opinion seriously that it's hard to tell. As for it being a "karmic issue"... My feelings are pretty much the following: I don't care if men "deserve" bad things happening to us as a whole, I actually don't care if we are some monstrous oppressors. In my opinion things that help my gender= good and things that harm my gender= bad. That's all there is to it. So I will fight against anything I see as disadvantaging or harming my kind regard…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 11:22 AM
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maybe men as a whole deserve their time in history to be the fallen ones, just like women have had their time in history to live a shitty, powerless existence "Sins of the Father" will never be an acceptable way of conducting ourselves as a society. The fact that you think one group "deserves" to be in a "fallen" position is gross in itself. Besides there isn't anyone apart from the moat pathetic and weak minded of men who you wouldn't fight tooth and nail against that kind of outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 11:06 AM
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Yet I would bet large sums of money that most of the people who utter this sentiment would expect men to drop everything and immediately help with women's issues. No questions asked, in fact they would become enraged at even the slightest hint of pushback or even mention of how hypocritical and parasitic that arrangement is. And honestly it would be a very rigged bet because I've encountered this kind of behavior and clear double standard many a time. Sometimes with well constructed---if still u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/24 11:22 PM
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I don't really know how to break down why what you're saying is insulting on a "just below the surface" level apart from explaining that it comes off as a backhanded jab. I'm all for women caring about men's mental health and investigating how they can be better about respecting it and vice versa. I'm not against the concept (although I deeply disagree feminism can really do much in that regard). My problem was that you phrased it as caring because otherwise we will do terrible things. The best …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:44 PM
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But sure go ahead and compare that to corporate America I guess. Brilliant take. This isn't about corporate America, surely you know that. I could have made many examples, I just chose one I thought would be clear and concise. The point is that telling people that you want them to be healthy and blatantly making it clear that it is only for your benefit isn't a good sales pitch. It just isn't. Plus the weird passive aggressive men hurt women jab you threw in just sours your point even further.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:26 PM
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Feminists want men to be healthy, it means less pregnant women will be strangled to death. "I really hope your cancer goes into remission soon, I need you to get back to driving me to work and I'm running out of excuses to give my boss about why I'm late." That is what this sounds like. We want you healthy because it benefits us, your well-being is a means to an end, one more stepping stone on the way to a better world...for us. I'm genuinely asking this---do you see how unpleasant and off-putti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:19 PM
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Yes, I certainly agree with you there. It's just that I watched the thread kind of spiral into madness (as a lot of discussions on these kinds of volatile topics do) and I wanted to add a more sane post while actually dissecting and trying to give examples of your original point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 04:40 PM
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I think it depends on what you mean by "accoubtable". Legally, mostly likely yes. If you walked out and shot someone point blank in front of witnesses, your ass is getting arrested. From that point, it's more complicated. Again legally you would likely be punished in some way...although there are even hiccups with that, considering women tend to get lesser sentences for similar crimes as male defendants. Then we have to look at who you shot and why you shot them and it's so variable that I could…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:51 PM
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Then I am definitely sorry I brought it up. I am curious though, what were you trying to say when you mentioned having patience until an equilibrium was met and having to decide what we resist or not?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 07:12 PM
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What? I didn’t say anything like that. Perhaps you didn't and if so then I apologize sincerely. But here is where my issues lie: There is a significant group of men who feel that women should be allowed to treat us horribly---slander us with misandrist rhetoric, taint our public image, push policies that harm men and even boys, and overall run us down. This isn't a strawman; I've encountered these people in my years of navigating the "gender wars" and some of them are quite blunt in the fact tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 06:22 PM
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That means having to reflect on whether or not it’s appropriate at times to resist some things and not others. I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first, but your continuing comments just come off as if you are suggesting that we are morally obligated to tolerate certain amounts of mistreatment in order to ensure that a nebulously "better world" comes to fruition. At the very least you sound like you are suggesting that certain amounts of nasty behavior on the part of certain groups is accept…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 05:42 PM
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They can't understand that men's resentment goes far beyond sex. I'm sorry but I deeply disagree with this statement, as it presumes stupidity/ignorance when malice is the true culprit. I do think a lot of people who say this somehow think the only reason a man would resent or dislike a women is because he's a sexually frustrated incel. But many others use this disingenuously, either as a strawman to derail an argument or as a way to feign ignorance, often about behaviors they themselves demonst…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 03:11 AM
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I’m a guy who lives in a house full of women though and I don’t have any internalised misandry lol Sorry, I didn't mean to accuse you of it, even if indirectly lol. That's part of why I said there was no "nice" way to say that, but I felt like it needed to be put out there because I've come across a lot of men like this. Obviously I don't know your particular arrangement but the men I am wary of don't just live with a lot of women or share a household with them. With these guys, most of the peop…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/24 03:45 PM
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So there's no way to say the following that isn't somewhat unpleasant so I'll just shoot straight. Although I don't have a lot of thoughts about women with an abundance of male friends, I will admit that I do have negative feelings towards men whose friend group consists mostly or even entirely of women. To explain, I don't exactly look down on them or give them a hard time (I treat them just as civilly as anyone else) but I do have an automatic distrust of them that I wouldn't have for other me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/24 01:11 PM
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She basically said that men created an environment of oppression for women. Women's negative behaviors towards each other are the moral responsibilities of the individual woman perpetrating them, but the negative behavior was part of an attempt to survive in the confines of the environment men (the "big bad") created. To use an analogy, it's like if people are taken hostage and one hostage tells the kidnappers about another hostage's escape plan so he can get extra food. It's a shitty thing to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 02:16 AM
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It's basically "my behaviour towards you is not a reflection of myself but rather of how evil you truly are and how much you deserve it". Yes precisely, you hit it right on the head. I'm actually really happy to see this, as dark as the subject matter is, because it makes me feel less crazy. I've seen this countless times but few people seem to really get what I'm talking about on the rare times I bring it up. The funny thing is, despite what I said, I don't think this behavior is some fixed asp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:29 PM
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Thank you for putting this into words because I have seen it (experienced it) countless times and it never fails to get under my skin. I have absolutely zero respect for anyone who employs this way of arguing especially since I have seen it used to defend some truly horrible things up to and including the torture of children. Personally I think this is just one more aspect of the feminine way of fighting, influenced by the fact that women are physically weaker than men and must therefore adjust …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 03:46 PM
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I would feel much more empathetic and attentive to women's issues, if those same people asking for our empathy wouldn't regularly scoff at our request for the same level of support and care. This is pretty much how I feel, but I've moved a few steps further. It may sound cold and depressing but I've long ago realized that the other side will never show the same level of empathy, compassion and dedication to solving our issues as they demand us to have for solving theirs. I'm not discounting the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/23 06:22 PM
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Yes exactly. Again I want to stress that I really have no strong opinions on the pro choice vs pro life abortion vs legal parental surrender issue. I was just using it as an example of how lopsided and parasitic the relationship is between the two sides when it comes to what we are expected to do for each other. There is always this demand we fight for them when not only do they not fight for us, they actively engage in harmful actions/rhetoric against us. It is beyond insane and incredibly offe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/23 03:43 PM
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No problem, obviously real life takes priority. I'm glad to see that I had the right person in regards to the Roe v Wade post since it would have been awkward otherwise. I want to make the disclaimer that the reason I'm focused on Roe v Wade isn't because of any strong feelings on the abortion issue itself as much as I feel it is a perfect example of how lopsided things tend to be when it comes to calls for men to give help to women and vice versa. honestly I'm disgusted that people can't show e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/23 11:53 AM
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Yes we'll just have to agree to disagree. I have no doubt that there are outright misandrists who use feminism as a vessel for their hate but that doesn't change the fact that feminism is itself a misandrist idealogy down to its very foundation and that it taints the way its female and male adherents view male human beings. Frankly I'm not interested in "attacking" feminism or feminists unless I think they stand in the way of something that I think would be good for men. But apart from that I do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/23 08:04 PM
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Respectfully, I don't need to reverse the genders because I didn't say women I said feminists. I don't believe in demonizing women as a whole. I have no such reservations about condemning a group that people choose to join and embrace. And I stand by what I said. You call it an expression of hatred but nothing that I said was untrue or even wrong. Do feminists not demand empathy and compassion for their causes while simultaneously showering men with vitriol and expect us to put up with it, using…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/23 07:35 PM
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One of their most foundational beliefs is that men have oppressed and tormented women over the span over human history and are an oppressor class that must be struggled against in order to bring about a better more just world. That in itself is a misandrist idea, but it gets worse because that male oppressor/female oppressed dynamic poisons their interactions with men and boys. At the most extreme you find the stereotypical man hating clowns and at the "best" end you have those who have a "hate …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/23 07:22 PM
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I don't really see the point of extending empathy and compassion to a group of people whose belief system is founded on the idea that I and those like me are an oppressor class that must be struggled against, and uses that concept as the root of thousands of poisonous actions and beliefs. Empathy, kindness, consideration for another person's troubles...those are priviledges, and while I think they should be the default for everyone, I also strongly believe they should be whisked away when a pers…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/23 04:44 PM
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Because it’s not conditional? I think it should be conditional, or at least far more than it is right now. If we never (or rarely) receive empathy or sympathy for our problems, it is highly manipulative to ask for it in return and then appeal to some form of "higher ideal" (such as being the bigger person, or don't be childish and be tit-for-tat, or stop making this transactional, it's about doing "the right thing"). All are highly self-serving soundbites that ensure we continue to engage in a o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:11 PM
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But you didn't really explain why empathy should be given when it is never received or actively resisted against.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:46 PM
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I definitely agree with your summation of the situation. I actually posted an analysis of the situation and the dynamics behind it on this thread although it's quite long. Simply put, I think the biggest issue is that men are biologically programmed to disregard the lives and wellbeing of other men and boys and prioritize women. This bleeds into our cultures and media which only further entrenches the problem. I do think women and even women's groups have their own part to play in things; there …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/23 03:09 PM
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Well, I'm certainly glad I could help. I've had similar thoughts about things I've seen posted here. I'm grateful for these types of spaces even though I do not always agree with some of the opinions I've come across (for example I think there is a dangerous amount of fatalism and "we need to be better than they are" attitudes that are anathema to true progress). But I am glad those differing opinions exist to both prevent me from becoming my own echo chamber and they help me examine my own opin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 05:24 PM
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I think there are a number of reasons, each of them a complex and difficult problem to solve. The first (and frankly the most basic in my opinion), is the fact that human males do not have the same in group bias towards each other that human females do. In fact, I'd argue the opposite; men have an inherent bias against other men, an apathy and even antipathy that discourages us from caring about each other as a unit. Something I tell people who are first starting down the path of advocacy for me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 01:30 PM
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Yeah actually I'll delete this. I replied to the wrong person. Your comment had enough in common that I thought it was the person I was talking to and quoted itmm.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:49 AM
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It's about equity, not equality. So yes I prop women up in the situations where the male counterpart wouldn't get an ounce of support. So...you're just openly tribalistic and anti male? I guess I have some respect for you for just admitting it; a lot of people try to disguise their prejudice and blatant self interest in a thin veneer of righteousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 06:37 PM
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changed. With time comes changes. As humans we have had to adapt and adjust to changes. Well, yes you aren't wrong about that. In this context though, we are discussing the perfectly normal human desire for relationships and how many people make having one a fairly large goal in life. I don't think there is an wrong with that; it isn't a flaw that needs to be fixed or smoothed away. Should we be better about teaching people to accept disappointment and rejection to avoid them lashing out or disp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:16 PM
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That conditioning is a historical artifact. It can change if you start regarding it as such. But that raises the question of why should it change? I don't think men should give up on relationships or even the desire for them, especially if the supposed "reason" for giving up on that desire is just to make women's lives easier. I think men need to learn to be more self sufficient and draw far more support and validation from other men as opposed to women (because that can easily turn into a self …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:41 AM
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I guess I'm going to be the first one to answer. Feels like kind of a heavy responsibility lol. In all seriousness though... I disagree with the premise of your question that sadness/frustration over a lack of relationships with a woman is "entitlement" at least I reject the idea that it is entitlement in the malevolent sense most people think of when using the word. Men feel "entitled" to a relationship with a woman for the same reason many women feel that they are owed protection, service and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:49 PM
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I'm not sure that I can do that. Both because I'm not sure how to link comments, and because it was a single chain in a thread of 20k comments. I didn't really take note of it besides just feeling disgusted and then moving on. If it helps, the r/AskMen thread where this was called "How Do You Feel About Women Who Hate Men". I can guarantee you, unfortunately, that the comment I mentioned while terrible, was not the worst one there. The actual worst ones, while far less openly offensive, were dem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/23 11:30 AM
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Sorry, I didn't see this comment. Alas, I don't have any actual resources on this, just knowledge gathered from years of interacting with these people and having them try to push me into agreeing with them using varying manipulation methods. The only thing I can think of that is some kind of compendium of this type of thing is something called The catalogue of female shaming tactics. I think it's called that at least. It's basically a list of different ways feminists will browbeat men into givin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/23 12:26 AM
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Do you have examples of it backfiring on the intersectional Oh, I may not have been very clear about what I was saying. But in my defense, I was working at the time so my attention was divided. Anyway I apologize and I'll try to explain. I don't mean "backfiring" in terms of hurting the intersectional feminists who use it, I mean that the concept of intersectionality was intended to give people a way to show people how they could belong to different categories at the same time, all with their ow…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/23 12:10 AM
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It's apart of intersectional feminism. If you look at the arbitrary oppression hierarchy Ah, intersectionality, Divider of Peoples and Devourer of Empathy and Compassion. I have so much to say about intersectionality and yet so little time to write it out. Suffice to say that I despise it, not because of its intended purpose, but because of how grievously it has failed in its mission. I mean this without hyperbole---I have never seen an idealogy so outrageously go against its own mission as seve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/23 02:16 PM
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No I definitely recognize it. It was why I compared the manipulation/shaming tactics feminists employ to push men into being "allies" to those immune suppressant/nervous system controls.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/23 12:32 PM
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First of all, I'm sorry for the experiences you have had growing up and being bombarded with feminist propaganda. I was fortunate enough to avoid that in my formative years for the most part, which I think is part of why I am so resistant to it now. Anyway it might not mean much from an internet stranger, but I genuinely am sorry. I hesitated to write this next part because I don't really want to devolve into "whining about feminists" but I think it is important not just for you, OP, but for a n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/23 01:33 PM
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There is a transition from to "let's withdrawn our support" to active hurt. Because sometimes withdrawing support means to actively hurt...You need to define what support you are withdrawing to make sure it doesn't overlap with active hurt. But I think in most cases it will. The support I propose withdrawing is quite literally everything. No more male allies in efforts to protest sexism or policies that negatively affect women. No more men walking women to their cars in the dark. No more risking…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/23 03:28 PM
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I lean towards your point of view. Thank you, I'm glad to see someone does. I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but I feel like what I said was just common sense, coupled with a bit of insight as to how social dynamics work. I might have come on a little strong but I cannot abide parasitic relationships and it's even worse when the victim doesn't just disregard their own dereiment, but they casually cause others to suffer as well, all so they can feel morally righteous. But anyway... I'm curious, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/23 04:59 AM
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This isn't about power to control people's thoughts, and I find it very odd that you immediately jumped to that. I think that there are certain thoughts that are just frankly disgusting, cruel and immoral. They can be understandable but that doesn't make them any less awful, and I do believe that people should feel ashamed for having indulged in them. There was a post on a subreddit I read where a man confessed, he was relieved that his newborn child with his ex girlfriend died because it severe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/23 02:02 AM
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By showing a willingness to listen and understand why they think what they think you can then begin to question their beliefs without them getting so defensive. This is similar to what therapists do because it works to get people to change their thoughts and behaviours. And if it doesn't work you've lost nothing but your time. Well, I do agree with this aspect of what you said, so I don't really have much to say on it. It's actually the only part of this I agree on, so I just wanted to give that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/23 12:46 AM
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My view on men/women relations is far more complex than "they're our enemies!" This isn't a perfect analogy by any means, but the best way I can explain it is that I see men and women as different countries, call them Country A and Country B. Both of them are close to each other, both of them are willing to engage in deals and civil relations, and citizens of those countries are perfectly capable of having wonderful and fulfilling relationships with one another. But make no mistake, they are sep…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/23 10:52 PM
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I'm not going to punish the good women just cause misandry is rampant. Even if I think it might help in the long run. I guess this is where we have a fundamental difference in opinion in moral framework then, because I don't really see withdrawing support and "punishing" the "good ones" to that big of a problem as long as it put a muzzle on a lot of the misandrist sentiment polluting society. i will support when I feel it's right, but simulataneously call em out when I feel I should. I don't see…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/23 10:42 PM
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It has nothing to do with seeing women as a monolith, that's a whole other conversation. My point is that misandrist women will not stop insulting men, supporting anti male policies and other unpleasantness, because there will always be men willing to ignore that and contribute to their causes anyway. my support stems mostly from my own beliefs rather than a desire to support them Yes I'm sure they do, but I'm telling you that your personal beliefs are (at least in this instance) unhealthy for b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/23 10:04 PM
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It's not going to stop me, since my support isn't transational. And this is one of the reasons that feminists and a large amount of women do not reciprocate men's support or even have the common decency to change their anti male rhetoric. Because they understand that there will always be a steady supply of people like you, who feel morally obligated to act as willing hosts in a parasitic relationship that allows them to take and take without giving anything in return. Your support absolutely sho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/23 09:50 PM
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So, I'm going to put forward a perhaps unpopular opinion, but here goes. This is an example of male disposability, but I don't think blaming feminists or resenting them for going to bat for imprisoned mothers is really helpful here. This is not me defending feminism or feminists; I consider it a hate movement and I view everyone who adheres to it as an enemy of the male sex, at least indirectly. But what I am saying is that it is foolish to expect a female oriented movement to address male probl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/23 09:39 PM
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Only through understanding can we hope to achieve positive change for such individuals, shaming only brushes the emotions under the carpet. No, I don't think that's a helpful way of doing things, for a number of reasons, although I can understand and respect why you'd want to go down that path. First, and most fundamentally of all, a path of mutual empathy and understanding only works when both sides are willing to sit down and discuss things in good faith, or at least attempt to meet in the mid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/23 08:46 PM
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I can't really say much about your personal circles obviously, but my point was not about whether women are looked down on or how they are raised. The issue isn't whether women and men insult and belittle each other, the issue is the response society has to those actions and they are very different depending upon the gender. Women are very free to say some truly hideous things, not just about men but even about male children and unless they truly go beyond the pale, they receive very little back…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:02 PM
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Everything OP wrote, men do towards women. I think the difference is that, although this is likely true (with a few gendered variations) women are not looked down upon as harshly by society for doing such things, while men are. As OP said, women are free to generalize men, talk about how terrible we are, and mock our experiences and no one bats an eye. Sometimes it is even done to metaphorical thunderous applause, and that's not even getting into the media that supports such thinking. When men i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:35 PM
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The problem is when this idea of giving boys leeway extends to more serious problems, sort of what OP is talking about. Like yelling at another girl and expecting that to be acceptable simply because he’s a boy and boys get angry sometimes is not okay...then this idea that boys should be able to get away with more concerning things is problematic. Right, and I agree that boys shouldn't be allowed to behave poorly just "because they're boys", especially at the expense of other children. But I als…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:20 AM
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It is not the responsibility of women to stand up a men’s rights movements, I 100 percent agree with this, but I feel that there is a largely unaddressed issue that needs to be discussed. Men are constantly hounded by women's groups to help solve their problems. Sometimes it isn't even a call to "help", we are asked or outright commanded to put our effort into making women's lives better without them lifting a finger alongside us. Oftentimes it is seen as being some moral imperative that men "ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:55 PM
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Respectfully, while I can understand your opinion and motivation behind it, I think it has done a large amount of harm. First of all, "boys will be boys" was literally an expression of exasperated acceptance for the fact that boys will do certain stereotypical boy things---roughouse, get incredibly dirty, run around and be loud, etc. I grew up with adults saying this as a way to remind themselves not to get too angry at the things male children did. Somehow the phrase was co-opted by certain gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:40 PM
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Thank you. This is a topic that very much interests me, and I have formed a number if opinions and even some solutions based upon my observations. I won't pretend that I'm some detached, emotionless observer; I have a very clear "side" I'm on and certainly have clashed with people in these fights many a time. But when I'm in a more thoughtful and pensive state, I try to see underneath the surface as go what is pushing us to fight so bitterly. I like the term “age of atonement” Thanks again. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:51 PM
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Why is just about every discussion about who can be seen as a victim more? Other people have provided good answers but I wanted to target this part specifically. Here is my take on things---whether you agree with the concept behind it or not, I think western society has entered what I sometimes call the "Age of Atonement". There is an increasing awareness that our society was, at least in part, responsible for committing pretty horrendous atrocities against large groups of people as a matter of …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:47 PM
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I'm not sure I would say Dr. K is "good". He makes good points that can often be helpful for young, disaffected men, which is good. I believe he should be given due praise for that. With that said, Dr. K is very much of the "women are victims, men are perpetrators" point of view. Having watched many of his videos, he tends to take the stance that men need to improve themselves or otherwise change and grow, while women need to be understood and accommodated, they need men to be better people for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 11:50 AM
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The OP is beyond foolish and paranoid, but there does seem to be a sizeable contingent of women who simply hate men and are not afraid to say it loudly and proudly. Worse, society does not seem to "punish" them for their bigotry and hatred, instead seeming to ignore it at best or openly cheer it on at worst. Frankly the outpouring of anti male media and overall anti male social zeitgeist over the last thirteen years speaks to this more than anything, since its continued existence stems from the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 06:49 PM
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I don't mean to be pedantic, but not exactly evil incarnate. Rather good or at least noble people who fell into evil after being slowly corrupted until nothing of their true physical or mental self remained, just a husk following the orders of an immensely dark will. All of the Nazgul/Ringwraiths had good or at least understandable intentions before they were destroyed and remade into monsters. Ironically I find this to be a very astute comparison to those who venture into feminism and become sl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/23 11:55 AM
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They're also the sub (well one of the subs, but they had a specific post dedicated to the issue) that made it very clear that their own male children come second to their idealogy. Which in my mind is an inexcusable and completely unforgivable position to have, regardless of your gender, race, creed or political party. So that alone is enough for me to condemn them even if I hadn't seen all sorts of anti male garbage on there for years prior to finding that thread. EDIT: I just wanted to add tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/23 05:52 PM
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I heavily doubt that we will ever be able to convince a critical mass of men to turn their backs on women in enough solidarity to pressure them to change. The Lysistrata gambit just...doesn't work on women with anywhere near the effect it has on men. Yes gathering that many men and convincing them to put themselves first is a massive hurdle. I've said it often but I genuinely believe men's seemingly innate apathy/lack of gender solidarity is one of the biggest men's issues facing us, since so mu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/23 09:35 PM
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I suppose I can see what you mean by it becoming an arms race, although I'm not sure I agree. An arms race analogy implies that two equally powerful sides continue to devise increasingly brutal and powerful means of aggressively dealing with each other. I'm saying that in this case, we are not equal. The punishments given by the other side are carried out by members of "our" side that are going against their own best interests, to put it simply. It's like two countries being "at war" but Country…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/23 05:04 PM
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But... in executing this, we have to cope with being labeled as misogynist (for not tolerating misandry). We all know that misogyny gets punished. And...what of it? I'm not trying to sound dismissive or confrontational, but I want to really interrogate this response since I see it come up a lot and it is often used as a kind of "dead end" to so many suggestions on how to move forward with making things better for male humans. "We need to organize groups to better advocate for men's mental health…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/23 03:51 PM
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Perhaps this is a controversial opinion, but I believe that one of the reasons this persists is because men have been highly remiss in handing out consequences for this kind of behavior. Thus it continues without end because there is no fear of punishment. To explain: The way I was raised in terms of misbehavior/punishment was the following (in simple, broad strokes): When I misbehaved, I was told to stop and it was explained to me why the action was wrong, dangerous, etc. If I continued, I was …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/23 02:23 PM
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Feminism itself is anti male. And stuff like this only supports that. More so this is just shaming men and making feminists look like hypocrites in the process. Oh, of course it is anti male. It's very founding ideals are anti male in nature, no matter the Olympic level mental gymnastics the movement's female and male adherents employ to convince others that it isn't. I have a firm policy that that is no such thing as a "good" feminist when it comes to how they view male humans. Speak with one l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/23 01:38 PM
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How do I feel about this statement? I consider it a vile, but admittedly intelligent, manipulation tactic to push men into joining feminist causes even when they are blatantly against our self interest. Something that I will grant feminists is that they are very attuned to the intricacies of gender dynamics. Their conclusions and theories are often adversarial towards men with a very black and white/good and evil slant with them as the "righteous ones", but it cannot be ignored that they know wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/23 04:09 PM
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I agree with your points about Andrew Tate, but I'm not quite sure if you understood what I was saying about him. What I was saying about Tate was that his rise to power isn't something that came out of nowhere; it is a symptom of the long period of anti-male rhetoric and social zeitgeist that took hold over the past decade and three years. Has misogyny always been a thing that has posed a hurdle for women? Yes, I'm not going to deny that. But I think that rather than make things better, this pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:09 AM
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I don't find it antagonistic, and I think it raises a few important points and does certainly give a lot to respond to, so I'll do my best. This is also going to be long, since I do have a lot to cover and answer. Actually the reply was so long it needs two comments! ​ I looked up the Jordan Peele tv episode and from what I can tell, it’s not meant to be taken literally... How is that hating men or portraying men as evil? They were meant to be monsters in the show, from what I can tell? It’s lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:08 AM
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I suppose my overall point is that egalitarianism is a luxury good, and we are living in metaphorical poverty right now as a movement. I used to believe in the ideal of working together with feminists and women's groups to address men's issues, with men taking the lead with our concerns and women taking the lead with theirs---but each of us having each other's backs. But I've rarely seen any evidence that feminists want that; all I've encountered is hatred, cruelty, self righteousness, and singl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 08:28 PM
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No, I understood your point perfectly and I can very much see your perspective---I just don't find it to be particularly helpful. If anything I think it is detrimental to the cause of making things better for boys and men. I will apologize though, because I could have phrased my disagreement a bit more politely, since after rereading what I wrote, it just comes off as an ill tempered rant. To rephrase my perspective in a more orderly and civil way: I am deeply against the idea that advocacy for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 07:44 PM
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I can definitely sympathize with your outlook. I just wanted to give my perspective in case it made you feel a little better---as I said, the "men and women are from two separate countries" outlook has made me see some of the things they do as less of a bitter betrayal and more like people doing what they naturally do. It sucks, but what can you expect? It's up to us to come together and help out people from "our country". That's the kind of thinking that helps me avoid hatred...for the most par…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 03:58 PM
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I specifically said in my first comment that beyond systemic issues like the legal system in Western society, there is still misogyny in society that needs addressing. Saying that should not, in any way, detract from dealing with systemic misandry, something feminists often do, and in fact, if we want to deal with one, it's our duty to honestly recognise the other as true. I'm sorry but I find this statement to be tone deaf at best and flat out offensive at worst. This is literally a conversatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 03:40 PM
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I've struggled this kind of thinking as well, and I'm perfectly willing to admit its kindled deep anger and even hatred in me at times. It definitely has sandblasted away pretty much all compassion and sympathy I had for women's overall issues and concerns. But with that said, I don't believe in spreading hate or participating in misogyny. The following may not be the healthiest view, but I find it to be the most realistic and pragmatic one, and it helps me put aside any anger or even hate when …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 03:13 PM
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I had to think this over before I replied, because I do agree that this isn't a black and white situation; it's a complex mess and the solution to it will be just as complicated. . I hate it, but I still don’t think most women in day to day life are man-haters or would put feminism ahead of the men in their family. I'd like to agree with you for my own peace of mind. But I think the fact that this anti male trend has lasted for over a decade now has shown just how many women do indeed hate men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 12:45 PM
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I wouldn't call it conjecture as much as I will acknowledge that our outlooks are forged from our varying experiences---I have been engaged in "gender politics" and social issues for over eight years now. During that time, I have seen firsthand some of the terrible things feminists and their "allies" have said and even done, including awful things perpetrated against their male loved ones in the name of feminism. You clearly have had a different experience, so I can understand why you would have…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 10:39 PM
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Some of the replies in this thread very much call your claims into question. There's one person here continually making the case that not only is misandry meaningless in comparison to misogyny, but it is apparently counterproductive and wrong for men to fight against it. The lack of empathy and dehumanization of men that user demonstrates is par for the course with feminists. Men are not dehumanized by the mainstream. That's strange, because the vast amount of openly anti male media would sugges…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 07:17 PM
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I'm sorry but I vehemently disagree. Not all of them are as blatant and in your face about their misandric ways, but there is no such thing as a "good" feminist when it comes to the way they interact with male humans. Spend enough time with one, and they will say/do something vile when it come to how they view men and boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 06:58 PM
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The person you are speaking to is a perfect example of why I consider it to be a waste if time to have a reasonable, good faith conversation with feminists and their allies. They don't see their actions as harmful, they will justify even the most egregious examples of misandry as harmless, and have no empathy for the people they hurt. You have to come to terms with that if you want to actually get anywhere. Otherwise you're just beating your head against a brick wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 06:45 PM
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I'm actually not sure the person you were talking to was being intentionally manipulative; that's why I saved that option for the very end. I've definitely encountered people like that over the years in these "gender war" spaces, and this didn't really trigger my alarm bells. Again without knowing the person or even getting their side I can't really know. But I put them more in the first category, someone with a lot of cognitive dissonance around women's issues vs men's. People like that believe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/23 08:22 PM
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I thought it wasn't a competition I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but the moment he started with "It isn't a competition" I had a strong suspicion where this was going, and unfortunately it turned out to be correct. For whatever reason, a large amount of people who outright downplay or dismiss men's issues insist that it isn't a competition and then proceed to wax poetic about how minuscule men and boys concerns are. I think it boils down to three reasons---genuine cognitive disso…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/23 06:48 PM
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Sorry for the late response to this. I understand what you are saying; I remember those days very well and the abject chaos and hatred that sprang up between men and women, seemingly overnight. I recall the horrible rhetoric and the sometimes gleeful celebration of innocent men suffering and sometimes even dying. But I cannot call them a hate group because they just don't fit the definition. The MeToo phenomenon wasn't an organization like the KKK or various other "anti-xyz" groups. Instead it w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/23 11:42 AM
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They aren't a hate group, but they are a moral panic. I don't mean that as a placeholder term or insult; the MeToo/Time's Up movement actually fulfills a lot of the checkboxes of a moral panic. I acknowledge that it did a great deal of good but it should never be forgotten that it was a moral panic, and the dark aspects of that social phenomenon were on full display during those days.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 03:47 PM
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Alliances are supposed to benefit both sides. A lot of them don't think that way. They believe it is up to one side to do most of the "heavy lifting" out of sheer obligation due to being the "oppressor" or at the very least being the ones with the most power and privilege. That mindset justifies their lack of care yet voracious demand for assistance and shaming language when it is not met to their specifications.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/23 11:04 AM
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If you think that the comments here are "women hate" then I genuinely have no idea what to say to you. I really mean that. I have read these comments, and apart from a single negative generalization and an uncivil argument that had little to do with anything discussed here, there hasn't been any misogyny. What there has been is talk of the double standards between abusive men and women and the frustration if how our society goes about dealing with this. If you think that merely discussing that d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/23 02:27 PM
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Oh god. After trying to studiously avoid hearing anything about that case, a YouTube channel I follow did a segment on it and ever since then I've pretty much been well informed on those devils. As of now it's resulted in me saying one of the cruelest things I think I've ever said to another person on the internet; that's how disgusted and angry I am over it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/23 12:38 PM
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Talking about the dichotomy and double standards between how abusive parents are viewed based on gender isn't "putting women down because of male insecurities". But, nice try. 10/10 on the manipulative shaming language. Normally that kind of thing works wonders, so I don't blame you for trying it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/23 12:34 PM
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This post triggered an unfortunate and infuriating memory of something I encountered on Reddit a few months ago. I recisely can't remember which sub it was, but it was one of the relationship advice ones. The OP was a middle aged woman who admitted to emotionally and physically neglecting and even abusing her young adult son most of his life, literally from infanthood to his teenage years (there was a particularly disturbing example where she explained that she would let him cry for hours as a b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/23 12:17 PM
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Is there a video or a blog of her talking about those things? I can't say yes or no on that particular front, but here is what I remember. So, when The Handmaid's Tale was first adapted to TV, there was an interview done with Margaret Atwood. I don't know whether it was a television interview or newspaper, magazine, etc. What I do know is that this was during the slow rise of the MeToo movement. Not its explosive height of power, but it was definitely a thing that was picking up speed. The inter…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/23 10:22 AM
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It comes from The Handmaid's Tale a book by the feminist author Margaret Atwood. Ironically enough I went into a long explanation of the book in another post on this sub just a few days ago. I despise that book and its worthless television adaptstion with a passion (although I hate the TV show more). One of the reasons is that this quote found its way into internet gender issues discussions and has become the rallying cry for women who don't give a crap about men's issues. The actual quote is Me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 06:13 PM
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I mean...maybe. But saying girls need someone to attend to their every need while boys can be left to fend for themselves doesn't sound like someone who can't bond with their child over shared activites and has no interest in finding ones to bridge the gap. Instead that broad statement really does sound like a belief that male humans are tougher and more resilient and thus have no need for someone to look after them, and that doing so might actually not help them at all. At least, if I'm being c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 04:36 PM
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I'm very sorry to hear that. I obviously don't know your mother but I wonder if it's something to do with how she was raised. It sounds like a very old fashioned "men and boys are tough" mentality. The reason I disagreed with your stance doesn't actually have much to do with feminism or men's issues or anything like that. I just have never understood why people take comfort in the idea that the horrible things people say online are "just online". I always felt the exact opposite. There is a pers…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 11:59 AM
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The linked thread (and so many other examples I've seen throughout the years) is why I am adamant that men should not be speaking out or helping with women's issues as a whole, and instead dedicate the time previously wasted on those efforts to putting even more manpower behind addressing our own problems. I don't have any issue with men helping the women in our own circles with their individual problems and concerns; I've done it myself and I will continue to do so. But there needs to be a hard…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 11:37 AM
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I'm sorry but I am very skeptical of this. I do agree with you that a lot of these people aren't nearly as vicious and cruel in their rhetoric and speech in their everyday lives...but that makes it all the worse. They don't say these thoughts aloud, but they think them internally and worse, they act upon them when there is a situation that brings it out in them. To me that is absolutely horrifying because it shows just how many ticking time bombs there are in the lives of so many men and boys. A…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 11:32 AM
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Me?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/23 01:32 AM
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When the cards are stacked against you but everyone demands you keep playing until you have nothing left, you get a bit concerned about your well-being. Nothing you said justifies the belief that others have a moral obligation to serve your needs, let alone the use of the manipulative and just outright nasty methods used by people with this mindset to push people into aiding their causes. If you read all of what I wrote, then you must know what I'm talkkng about. Again you explained the reasonin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/23 09:56 PM
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How are women at fault for the outrage if the outrage is coming from men who feel they are being denied sex? I wanted to make this part very clear before I said anything else in response. Nothing I said has anything to do with women not "giving" men sex or men feeling denied. I don't consider that a valid reason to resent women; I think it's perfectly understandable that men who cannot get laid will be anguished over the fact, but I don't condone a lot of what has sprouted from that anguish. So,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 09:40 PM
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I don't think you read what I said very clearly. It wasn't a generalization of disadvantaged people. It is a look into the reasons why a portion people from disadvantaged backgrounds behave in a certain way. Also, it wasn't racist or ableist. All I did was state why people act in a negative manner using their own logic and justifications for said behavior.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/23 09:02 PM
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Can you give an example of women deflecting and avoiding accountability or responsibility? The escalating online hatred between men and women, Andrew Tate phenomenon, and just overall worsening of the gender wars. I don't solely blame women for it; that would be ludicrous. But it would be just as ridiculous to ignore the years upon years of anti male media that polluted the public sphere and the man hating rhetoric that has been shoved down the throats of men and boys. It was at its worst from 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 08:12 PM
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I don't have a clue what this is about because I've never heard about The Handmaid's Tale before. It's a speculative fiction novel by a feminist author, Margaret Atwood. A religious cult takes over the United States after a massive outbreak of infertility sweeps the world and threatens the human race's future. They rename the country to "The Republic of Gilead" and strip women of most of their rights, relegating them to breeding slaves or "Handmaids". Only a few chosen women are allowed to remai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/23 03:45 PM
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This is oddly familiar, I think I've heard of a thought pattern very similar before, it goes like this iirc: "That didn't happened." "And if it did it wasn't my fault." "And if it was, you deserved it." Yep that's exactly right. I once made a comment on another subreddit concerning this mindset and compared it exactly to the Narcissist's Code. No one seemed to really get it, although they agreed with my overall point. I've seen more and more people connecting that self righteous and destructive …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/23 03:21 PM
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It's such a sickness, and what makes it so difficult to really counter or argue against is that people who hold this mindset genuinely cannot seem to understand how insane they are. I've had a lot of conversations with feminist-leaning people regarding certain escalations in the "gender war", and one thing that they seem to be pathologically incapable of accepting is that things like Andrew Tate and the more vicious anti woman parts of the "manosphere" were born in part from the years and years …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/23 03:08 PM
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I definitely understand this phenomenon and have spoken about it before and argued against many people (men and women alike) who hold it as an ideal. Personally I don't really see this as an example of the hypoagency vs hyperagency issue (although that is a very real and pernicious problem). The "men need to hold other men accountable while women are free to do the same or not" double standard is a malevolent chimera formed from two issues, one of them as ancient as humanity and the other a far …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/23 02:04 PM
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I am also a feminist (political theory) and I support feminism (the women's movement). I don't think either are inherently at odds with men's issues A movement that operates on a paradigm of male oppressor/female oppressed cannot ever have a truly positive relationship with men, ever---let alone men's issues. It seems to be too tall a task to ask a lot of feminists to refrain from badmouthing men as a whole, let alone caring for our issues. The hatred and resentment and self righteousness promot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/23 10:55 PM
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Quora has some of the most heartless, heinous and insanely cruel takes on a variety of issues, so I'm not surprised. I'm not sure what's going on there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/23 08:33 PM
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She made the comment "This is why I don't do business with brothas." The moment I read this part, I almost knew what was coming next. Well, I thought that it was going to be about racism and I was a little confused, but yes I know very well the paradoxical and infuriating conflict between black men and women. It isn't something that I've really been exposed to in real life, apart from a single comment my mother once made, but I have seen it rampant on social media. I feel like I kind of owe you …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/23 11:42 PM
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Yes, this exactly. Men do not care about other men, in fact we don't even care about our own lives a lot of the time. It's why the "men all stick together" argument is on shaky ground; in fact, I'd go as far as to say it's pure projection. Certainly few men are entirely selfless, but we are overwhelmingly willing to put our wellbeing and even lives at risk for others, starting at an early age. As we know, men are extremely willing to throw other men to the wolves for the sake of women, wheras wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/23 02:05 PM
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I am curious, how did your views on women change? Mine certainly did, but it wasn't exactly social media alone that did it as much as it was media in general and news and overall interactions online over many years. As for TwoX...I agree with you, obviously. I think what genuinely gets me is the way they talk about male children in that hellhole. It isn't all of them, and this topic is one of the few times where there is a lot of dissent and self policing, but it still leaks through and goes unc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/23 07:35 PM
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So, I can obviously only give my perspective, but this is how I see it: The race war vs the gender war isn't a matter of "better or worse" as much as it's different. It has a lot of similarities with one another (a lot of the rhetoric used on both sides of the racial conflict is used in gender wars), but I think the way it manifests is different. The gender wars are outright in your face. I'm not really sure where I stand on the idea that media corporations and other "elites" are forcing us to f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 06:02 PM
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I genuinely think that they were invaded and colonized by a large influx of users from a far more hateful subreddit, or something like that. TwoX has always been a misandric cesspool but, from my experiences there years prior, they were also far more balanced and seemed to have a measure of sanity and accountability. I didn't notice it then, but comparing posts from five or even eight years ago to the ones from 2020 onward is like day and night. For example---even though the misandry rule was ne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 02:28 PM
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Yeah, empathize with men I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 02:03 PM
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And this is why I absolutely cringe to my very core whenever I hear people recommend that men follow or visit TwoX in order to see women's perspectives and gain empathy. I can think of no better way to create a misogynist than spending long periods of time in that hellhole of toxic femininity. I'm not even joking or being hyperbolic; TwoXChromosomes is filled with what I consider to be the absolute worst examples of women's behavior and speaking from personal experience, it will make you distrus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/23 02:29 AM
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I don't believe that anyone (man or woman) who believes in a "men are oppressors/women are oppressed" dynamic is capable of having a truly loving relationship with a male human being, regardless of if that male human is a friend, family member, partner or even their own child. Thus the answer is pretty much no when it comes to "would you date a feminist".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 07:12 PM
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Oh yes by all means. I'm glad you found it so poignant, I really just wanted to get my feelings about this out and never expected it to be that impactful. Hopefully it helps others!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/23 06:45 PM
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At the risk of extreme cringe, there is a quote from an anime that I feel befits this post (and it's from a male character, if that counts for anything). It's not exactly verbatim, but here is my best attempt at paraphrasing. "I just had the most wonderful dream. In the dream I'm strong. I'm powerful. Strong enough to protect everyone." A lot of male fantasies are about power. Gaining superhuman abilities, command over armies, etc. And while some of those fantasies are about domination (and I'll…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/23 11:49 AM
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It's the same as Flood or Kimmel Oh man, now those are some names I haven't heard in a long time. Back in late 2015, my slow introduction to gender politics and social issues included listening to their talks and reading articles where they had a heavy input. And I remember the slowly dawning horror, sense of betrayal and ultimately hatred for them and men like them who acted this way towards their own kind. It's funny, their behavior is at least partially responsible for the foundation of my cu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/23 03:01 PM
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Well, at least you are consistent, I'll give you that. I've met far too many people who demand men "step up" to protect women from all sorts of trials and tribulations from annoying sexist comments to outright physical peril...but become outraged if you suggest that women therefore owe men reciprocal action. So again I'm glad you aren't one of those. With that said.... However right your opinion is "on paper", the current reality is that we are in a societal phase where a parasitic dynamic has f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/23 03:28 PM
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Glad to see another Aba and Preach fan here. I really do like their takes on things, and find them well balanced. I will admit that when they fail (or at least from my perspective, they fail) they fail hard but those instances are few and far between. I don't listen to a lot of political/social issues influencers but they are an exception. Hilariously I found them due to watching Fresh and Fit out of morbid curiosity about that kind of thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/23 02:51 PM
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So I don't know what's going on with them right now (this thing with the unusually low number of posts) but menslib has never not been weird. I used to frequent that sub many, many years ago and I still do occasionally although I try to stay away because it's just rage bait for me at this point. The problem with menslib is that they are a toxic sub that tries to present itself as a men's issues group. I don't actually doubt their sincerity, as I've seen some do by calling them "controlled opposi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 04:46 PM
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So my thoughts on this are about a broader issue, but the contents of this post are very relevant to it. I've said this several times, but human societies, regardless of where in the world they are, are extremely entitled to male heroism, hardships and sacrifice. Men are expected to be the first to fight, to protect and to provide. If our bodies or even lives must suffer and be extinguished as a result of providing that protection and provision, then so be it. There will always be another man to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/23 04:27 PM
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The founding aspect of their ideology is that men---through malice or stupidity or greed or just moral inferiority---are the oppressors of women and have been for most of human history. That belief negatively impacts the way they treat men and boys in a myriad of unpleasant ways. So yes, feminists are the enemies of the male gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/23 01:22 AM
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Yes I was going to comment something like that and you beat me to it. I've actually seen far more justified outrage and disgust for female abusers, rapists and child predators than I have for women who murder their children. That isn't to say it isn't present, it's just that all sorts of rationalizations and "nuances" seem to slither out of the woodwork when it comes to that scenario. I actually have a theory on why that is, and I posted it in another thread some time ago but I don't think it wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/23 01:17 AM
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Non of it is acceptable. I never made that a point. I'm saying to put it into context not to justify but to put relatively. The first part is a good point; I apologize for thinking that you were trying to justify it. I will say that I don't understand why there was a need to put things relatively and make the case that "patriarchy" is a bigger problem. Usually that sort of reasoning proceeds justifications for poor treatment of men. That's what triggered my comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/23 08:40 PM
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His name was Alek Howolka (spelling?). I don't know much about him but I remember his case being talked about here and there on Reddit. This is what happened to the best of my knowledge: Mr. Howolka was accused of multiple acts of physical, emotional and I think (although I'm not sure) sexual abuse by his girlfriend. These accusations sent his life into chaos; his coworkers distanced themselves from him, he was being talked about quite negatively in video game communities, and I imagine his fami…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/23 06:57 PM
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But then you have to put it into contex There is no context in which it is acceptable. Understandble, perhaps so, but the denial or dismissal of misandry "because women have it worse/we live in a patriarchy" is a manipulative tactic made to silence dissent using relative privation and shaming.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/23 06:06 PM
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Yes, it very much is a bad generalization. I can think of many women sympathetic or even passionate about men's issues and how to solve them. Such rhetoric is a slap in the face to those people. I do think there is some truth to the concept, but it's far more complex than one side loving the other and the other side not caring/hating the side that loves. I think that as a whole women seem to care more about each other than they do men as a whole---they will side with "their own kind" in many con…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/23 04:33 PM
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It's definitely not being too soft; we want to see the good in people and the world itself. It can be incredibly naive and dangerous at times but it isn't a bad thing on its own. In that mindset, it's natural to want to believe parents love their sons, wives love their husbands, etc. Anyway let me explain what I meant: I admit to using a tiny bit of hyperbole when making that statement, but only a small amount. I do not believe that people who believe in a male oppressor/female oppressed dynamic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/23 12:40 PM
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I would argue that a lot of people like that don't actually love their male "loved ones" but perhaps that's an argument for a different time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/23 11:58 PM
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If anything you'd think the more moderate people would reallize that misandry is a real detterent for possible male allies, that it goes against egalitarian principles and drives men into the arms of the redpill movement but no, they keep tolerating and sometimes even encouraging it. They're making the same mistake the other side is making but are too blind to see it. I have made this point more times than I can count--especially in the last year or so with the rise of Andrew Tate and the destru…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/23 11:56 PM
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I'm not the person you asked (obviously) but I can definitely answer this. TwoX made me very aware of the genuinely dark side of women's nature. I don't mean that in some pill-sphere/PUA sense; I mean that in a very concrete and "normal" way that everyone can understand. A lot of the women in TwoXChromosomes carry a deep hatred and disdain for the male gender, combined with a sense of infallible self righteousness. In their minds, they are the victims and thus every cruelty, every nastiness, eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:34 AM
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Well thank you for answering, I didn't expect a reply. I'll have to take your word for some of that since I'm not a red piller (or any pill, I just occasionally lurk on this sub because of the discussions). I do think some of the things you have said go beyond just arguing against red pill points and into taking a clear side when it comes to women vs men (the Jonah Hill drama for example) but it doesn't matter. Again thanks for answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:44 PM
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I guess I'm not really surprised (man, I'd almost forgotten about this drama). The fact that she waited nearly two years to drop the bombshell until her ex had a new baby and (literally in her own words) admitted she didn't care about the impact it had on him or the child told me all I needed to know about the kind of human being she was.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:29 PM
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Can I ask a genuine question? Why is it that, seemingly regardless of the topic brought up, you firmly argue against the male perspective? Before you accuse me of stalking your profile, I do not. You have a very distinct name and I've seen your comments on several posts here. If I recall you mentioned being a man. I just...don't understand the deep entrenched commitment to going against other men in favor of women almost 100 percent of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:23 PM
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On the surface the points you make are pretty valid. But that isn't at all how you framed them so I responded to the words you put out. Of course you cannot control another person and of course you must then take control of your own response and reaction to their behavior. That's an objectively true fact and I do think valuable advice can be taken from that starting point. But you could have done that in many ways and you did not. What you did instead was to perpetuate the notion that hateful an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/23 11:17 PM
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...me, or the person I replied to?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/23 04:02 PM
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Bad experiences can indeed shape a person into distrusting and even fearing another group of people. That's just human nature and is a survival mechanism so there is no fault there. Where there is a potential for fault is if you allow that to turn from simple and understandable wariness into outright hate and it starts to affect your interactions with women. There is no excuse for active misogyny or misandry, regardless of one's past experiences. It sounds cliche, but I would advise simply treat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/23 02:20 PM
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You've received downvotes (and I suspect you'll get a lot more) but I think you deserve to at least know why your comment was received so poorly by many here, myself included. Whether you intended it or not, everything you wrote is a textbook example of the manipulative tactics used to dismiss or suppress men's justified irritation and protest at the treatment we receive from women's activist groups and even women themselves in some cases. Instead of understanding or even mere acknowledgement of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/23 12:44 PM
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I've said this before and I will die on this hill because, to me at least, this isn't an "opinion" so much as it is reality. Feminists apply "morality" to circumstances in which morality didn't even exist, let alone the framework of oppressed vs oppressor that they are so deeply in love with. The gender roles that we grapple with today are not evil oppressive systems created by an ancient cabal of men or women. Instead they are simply the echoes of the naturally occurring dynamics that emerged w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/23 12:24 AM
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I'm very sorry to hear that and am glad you were able to get out of that trap. It's no life to live and to be honest I consider it a form of abuse. Because we all know how respect and kindness are the way to a woman's heart....right? I think that is true, but it has to be tempered with boundaries. It has to be mutual respect, otherwise it just becomes a parasite and its host. Apart from the obvious hate speech and just general disdain for men, a large part of the issue is how one sided a lot of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/23 11:12 AM
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I find funny how these people who call men dealing with everything by themselves without ever "opening up" "toxic masculinity", while at the same time using insults like "fragile" to mock men who dare to be uncomfortable with their nazi-like/white supremacist rethoric. They way they always rationalize it (and I do mean always, I'm not using hyperbole) is that they aren't mocking men's "legitimate" emotions like fear, depression, sorrow, etc. They insist that they are mocking tantrums thrown by m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/23 05:56 PM
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“Give them an inch, and they take a mile.” Yes, this precisely. It isn't completely related to what you're talking about, but this is why I am very wary when feminists or even just women ask for "empathy" when talking about their issues with men. I think that there are those who genuinely just want a listening ear and to be validated and heard. But there is a large amount that, while I think their issues are genuine, use " the desire for empathy" as a manipulation tactic to get their "foot in th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/23 12:06 PM
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Where did y'all get that from? OP didn't say that, antinatalism doesn't say that I agree Antinatalism itself doesn't say that (I actually mentioned that) but OP definitely treads into the territory of saying it. "Victims and perpetrators of sexual assault, violence, etc..." is where I saw it and it raised my hackles. I might be reading into it too much, but here is my thought process: I already dislike the idea of "deleting" the male gender to begin with. But I really dislike the thought that so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/23 11:45 AM
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No I'm sorry I disagree with almost every inch of this opinion. In a vacuum you would have a good point, but we don't exist in a context free zone. The world recognizes the importance of women's advocacy, it is carved into the very operating procedure of many powerful organizations and even governments. There is no need to remind people that women have issues in places dedicated to solving men's problems. I'm not particularly concerned about the "impact" spaces that "forget" to give shout outs t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/23 10:05 PM
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I really wish I could make a certain joke about this, but it contains major spoilers for a pretty amazing manga/anime. I can respect antinatalism as a response to the overall human condition as a whole even if I disagree...but I will never accept it as a response to the condition of a certain group of people, especially when it is paired with the idea that it is a "solution" to the problems that group causes the world. At best it seems like giving up. At worst...a woman suggesting it is a genoci…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/23 12:27 PM
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See, I can actually somewhat understand this stance, frustrating as it is to read/hear. It's myopic and bigoted in the extreme, but it makes sense that of course the men she's known her whole life are the ones that she'll trust. If she has a problem with men that developed later in life, of course she'll "separate" those people from the men outside her circle. It's not really defensible but it makes sense and I could imagine trying to work with someone like that, provided they don't manifest som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/23 06:41 PM
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I could actually understand that (never defend it, just understand), but it's even more pathetic. It isn't so much the men they know are good and everyone else is bad. It's more "the men I know who never defend themselves or their gender from my hateful tirades, who accept the inherent moral inferiority of their kind, who know their place in the hierarchy, and who attack other men who dare to oppose me" are the good men. They'll go after men they know if those men voice a dissenting opinion or e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/23 02:24 PM
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lot of them don't have any close male friends or relatives, As much as I wish that was the case, the dark truth is that many of them do have male "loved ones". Fathers, brothers, cousins, husbands, sons, etc. That's what makes their rhetoric and actions so horrific. I would still intensely dislike someone who had no real exposure or interaction with men and spouted these hateful things, but I could manage a little grace under the assumption their mindset came from ignorance and that actually mee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/23 10:45 AM
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There's a (probably just as insanely cynical as your hypothetical killer) part of me that thinks some of the people who say this actually would take some solace in that. It wouldn't make them grieve any less but in their twisted minds, it would at least make it less "senseless" and easier to accept. But then again I've been exposed to some of the most heinous and unhinged things feminist women (and many of their "male allies") say about men online and how they don't even bat an eye when you brin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/23 08:33 AM
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But...that was exactly my point at the end. I was saying that there was a massive difference between the two and I don't agree with people who defend the actions of murderers. My point wasn't about it being right, it was outlining the thought processes of why certain women defend mothers who murder their children and how it is similar to men who will ask for nuance in cases of sexual misconduct and how both seem deranged to the other side. Again I personally think one is legitimate and the other…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/23 01:38 AM
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Seeing psychosis described as being on the same playing field as pedophilia and that she deserves no sympathy regardless of whether or not she was suffering from mental illness frustrates me as much as the double standard. Well I suppose in that case we really will have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to debate about the equivalence of psychosis vs pedophilia, but I am deeply opposed to expressing "empathy" for people who murder innocent people, particularly children. I actually find it sick…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/23 01:33 AM
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You guys have the right idea, wrong response. Yes, there is an empathy gap, but removing empathy from women isn’t the way to close it. The answer is showing men more empathy. Empathy is not a limited resource. First of all, empathy is very much a limited resource which results in being deprived of other limited resources. That isn't just my opinion, many studies have shown that human empathy and compassion is finite and we gloss over countless tragedies every day. But even apart from that, I don…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/23 08:19 PM
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So I'm going to say something that might anger men and women both, but I think it's quite true and needs to be talked about in these cases. It's something I've been thinking about for a few weeks now due to recent events and I guess this is good a place as any to say it. Something I've noticed is that men and women seem to feel more "empathy" for the perpetrators of crimes that fall heavily along gender lines. To elaborate: No man apart from the denizens of the darkest incel forums will defend s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/23 07:49 PM
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there was someone basically saying "women criticizing men pushes those young men into refusing feminism, and it will have adverse consequences for society, BUT women are totally justified in hating men, and then should absolutely continue because fuck men that's why". I summarized a bit, but that's the gist of it. Yeah I've had this conversation several times and seen it play out countless times. They'll spin it in different ways but the core point of their "argument" is that men have " sinned" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/23 10:27 PM
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You can't burn my house down and threaten my family and then urge me to remember the time when you ran a charity event for homeless children in the community to avoid the consequences. It's a hyperbolic example but it generally sums up how you are trying to present feminism here. Yes, feminism has demonstrably hurt men, sometimes in truly cruel ways, but we can't abandon it because remember back when it gave women the right to live as equals? Past behavior is never an excuse for current actions.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/23 07:57 PM
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That's a common reason I hear for the poor relationship behavior I'm talking about...and it will never be anything other than a pissy excuse. If I was cheated on by a previous girlfriend or watched my parents descend into a hellish and toxic relationship due to cheating, I might be influenced to treat any partner poorly and with great suspicion. I might demand she text me constantly to tell me where she is and what she's doing. I might demand she cut out ball male friends from her life and even …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:00 PM
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I thought of this as a given, but I realize it might not be. I agree that it should be a given, but no it really isn't for a lot of people, unfortunately. I'm not sure why it isn't, but that seems to be a huge part of the problem. The point you made about being careful on what you compromise on and how you weigh concessions against the value of a relationship are valid ones and rather reasonable. Upon elaboration you don't seem to have the issue that I was talking about in my original comment (w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:23 AM
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I don't exactly doubt your sincerity, but to be honest your original comment is an example of what I was talking about when I mentioned the "many women have a chip on their shoulder". Instead of entering into a partnership with a man and seeing how the two of you can adapt and change to fit each other's lives, there seems to be this attitude of rigid and unyielding refusal to do anything to accommodate the male half of the partnership. Instead of "what can we do to enrich each other's existence?…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:55 AM
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I don't know why so many of them are like this. They have this massive chip on their shoulders; they act as if any attempt at negotiating or talking things out is a stealthy attempt at domination. Like, if they aren't constantly vigilant, then men will trick them and they'll be 1950s style housewife "slaves" in the blink of an eye. It's an extremely irritating and exhausting ordeal to deal with people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 12:30 AM
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That's not even close to the same thing; you'd need Olympic level mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:03 PM
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I also don't think that they hate men, but I believe that people (men and women alike) who believe in the "women are oppressed/men are the oppressors" dynamic are incapable of having truly positive relationships with male humans. That includes their loved ones, up to and including their own children. Again I don't think that most of them secretly hate what should be their most valued people (there are obviously a few truly unhinged examples, but they aren't the norm). I think that it's more alon…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/23 06:20 PM
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It isn't modern society. Well, it is---modern society has its own way of manifesting the issue, but this is an ancient problem, as old as the human race itself. Think back to the tales of myth and legends and the actions of many figures in it. Many times, heroes of those tales slaughtered countless men in battle and were viewed as absolutely legendary for it. That is because their exploits echoed real life; when tribes and eventually civilizations of humans clashed against one another, it was mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/23 06:07 PM
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all I see is "lol weak men mad a movie exists", even from men One of the darker things you will learn when engaging in male advocacy is just how eagerly men will leap at a chance to tear other men apart if it makes them look better or elevates them in the eyes of women. It's an extremely jarring and ugly truth, but it's one that one has to accept. I personally believe that, whether you believe the cause is natural or socially engineered, it is the root cause of most of men's issues. The whole "w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/23 05:57 PM
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What was her reaction to your criticism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/23 11:51 PM
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Expected has no bearing on whether it is right, wrong or harmless. Personally I'm not particularly interested in getting up in arms over the Barbie movie, but that's only because I don't think it is a worthwhile use of my time. But I perfectly understand those who are upset about it. Again expecting it to be an anti male movie doesn't have anything to do with it being okay. Even in a vacuum that would be something to frown on and point out, but we aren't in a vacuum. The Barbie movie seems to be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/23 11:40 AM
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So the person you're talking to doesn't have an issue with the double-standard, but I do. And I am making the argument that the existence of the double standard means that men have no obligation to follow it when we receive less than nothing in reciprocation. The effort that women put into calling out sexist and frankly hateful things said about men should proportionately affect how much effort men put out against other men on their behalf. If we operated that way, I imagine we'd see that double…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 06:34 PM
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It's just identity politics Unfortunately, this example is not "just" identity politics. It's one more represenation of a massive problem in the dynamics between men and women in western society that is actually growing worse as time passes rather than getting better or leveling off. There is a certain parasitic relationship between men and women that is rarely acknowledged or worse, if it is acknowledged, it is just glossed over or justified. It comes down to the male protector/female nurturer …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 06:08 PM
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In all seriousness, why are you defending such blatant sexism, especially in a place like this? What do you really gain from coming here with such a statement? EDIT: Also, that whining "please take pity on us, just let us have this little crumb" isnt fooling anyone, it s a very manipulative tactic that I'll admit does get results but not here. Now if you are being sarcastic then I sincerely apologize. It's hard to tell anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 02:09 PM
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idk why so many women are conveniently ignoring that what she did could impact this man's livelihood and reputation forever I know, that genuinely blew me away how many women, not just on Reddit but just all over were more concerned with diving into the debate about abuse and control vs reasonable boundaries than they were about the fact that this ex girlfriend so calculatingly tried to torpedo his life and new family. Personally I think there are several reasons for this based off conversations…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:04 PM
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Feminist guilt-tripping men into becoming male allies is a strong drug. The gross part is that they are incredibly adept at transforming men into their attack animals with little effort, because a lot of their tactics play on men's innate desires and flaws, like a key to a lock. For (a very simplfied) example---men are raised and expected to protect women and ensure that we stand as a shield between them and whatever danger threatens them. It is our ancient role since the dawn of humanity and it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 09:14 PM
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I honestly don't understand men like this guy. I mean, I've encountered more than my fair share of them and I do have some thoughts on why they become the way they are, but...damn. Every single time I see one in the wild I feel a little part of me die inside. It's like they lose their identity and self respect as a man and become this mindless hunting/guard dog for women's interests, against his own kind. Not just the interests of his own wife or girlfriend but literally any and all women. Oppos…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:34 PM
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Its just crazy making how many of them say extremely sexist takes and even pseudoscientific nonsense yet act like they have the moral and intellectual highground in every gender related discussion. This self-righteous thing is the absolute worst to deal with in debates It really is the absolute worst thing to deal with, because that self righteousness permeates every aspect of the conversation. They have done nothing wrong, and any nasty thing they have done is justified by the fact that they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 12:38 PM
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Wow that sucks. I'm glad it didn't come to more than since I've seen firsthand how devastating something like that can be and how friends will turn on each other in an instant due to a girl making something up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:50 AM
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I think it's more victimhood that is the drug, the self-righteousness is the end-result of it. Perhaps this is controversial to say but at this point I don't care: I don't think that women as a whole want to be victimized, I think it affects them terribly and makes them feel crappy. But I do believe that victimhood is a huge source of power for them that allows them to bypass the "laws" of decency and accountability and has become a sought-after resource due to the power it conveys. I think ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:17 AM
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Here's my hypothesis. It stems from the fact that men have the physical advantage so they are more physically aggressive, women counteract it be currying social power and being more socially aggressive. When women are socially aggressive, you're not talking to someone interested in dialogue. You're talking to someone who is defending their main source power by any means necessary, that self righteousness is manipulation, they'll shame and degrade anyone that they perceive as a threat to their po…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:10 AM
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so many women, at least on reddit, seem to assume all men are man-children who need to work on themselves while all women are finished products who have already done the work and achieved the pinnacle of maturity, emotional intelligence, and responsibility? As a disclaimer, I don't consider myself a misogynist or sexist. I do believe men and women are very different types of humans with differing needs and wants and that those are sometimes incompatible with each other. I also don't align myself…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:29 AM
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There are people on this very thread defending her. I just finished arguing with one a few hours ago. To give a summary, the logic of these Sarah Brady defenders seems to be that if someone hurts you in a relationship, you have the right to seek revenge on them at your leisure, regardless of how much time has passed. And destroying your ex's family means nothing in pursuit of that payback. Yes. That's literally their argument. That's not a strawman, I actually gave chances to elaborate further b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 09:47 PM
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think that people are so blinded by the two things he did wrong (telling her not to talk to other men and telling her not to post bikini pics) that they are blind to the fact his ex was very malicious posting every other text where it’s just him basically being super insecure and cringe. Well...yes that's true. However it's even weirder that they are also blind to the fact that she is making a calculating effort to destroy his life and uproot his fledgling new family. That is psychopathic levels…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 08:37 PM
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. If someone hurt you wouldn't you want a little justice The word you're looking for is revenge. It's okay, it's not a dirty word. And yes, I won't pretend that I don't appreciate payback when someone has done me wrong, I don't ascribe to the belief that revenge is wrong in and of itself. But I believe that revenge should be proportional to the hurt that was received. Shooting someone's dog because they stepped on your foot is above and beyond anything reasonable. Which is only one of the issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 08:32 PM
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Since there seems to be a distinct lack of empathy for men (or at least the male side of this particular situation), maybe it would help if I introduced a female protagonist? Imagine meeting a man, falling in love with him and eventually settling down. You conceive a child together and go through the nervousness, excitement, stress and anticipation of pregnancy and the journey into becoming a parent...a life changing step for the both of you. You eventually welcome the new baby and begin the unc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:08 PM
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This entire conversation between you two perfectly encapsulates why I abide by the idea that men and women are not friends. I don't mean that in the "men and women cannot be friends because of sexual tension" way, but in the following: Men and women are like citizens of two separate countries. We may have semi positive relationships, we may have certain binding treaties that we follow and individual citizens may have wonderful and fulfilling partnerships with each other, both platonic and romant…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 10:04 AM
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They turn a blind eye to it because if you acknowledge her premeditated I'll intentions you can then assume she was a shitty partner too Yes it is very interesting to see how few people have actually mentioned the nasty timing of her "brave revelation". I'll be fair and admit that several people have called it out despite being against Hill, but the ones I've seen defending it seem to take two stances: he was abusive so the timing doesn't mean anything; his happiness is worthless. The other defe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 01:21 AM
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All the threads on this issue are so extreme. It's either she is an incredibly bitter ex-girlfriend or he is an "almost-but-not-quite" abusive douche. She's automatically bitter and hateful for waiting two years to pull this stunt and then doing it just as he became a father, with a presumably happy relationship. She wanted to blow a hole in that happy life and she's a disgusting and petty piece of shit for it. I don't even know these people nor have I followed the drama, but that alone tells me…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:20 PM
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She outing this just before his child being born reeks of bitter jealousy This is the aspect of it that truly bothers me. She planned this, held onto it for years and then chose to release it now, when he is on the verge of one of the happiest moments of a person's life? That's more than just petty and bitter, that's incredibly cruel and verges on outright evil. This is obviously much worse, but it reminds me of a confession by one of the (unfortunately many in the US) school shooters. He did hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:12 PM
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Yes this definitely falls hard on the fault of Reddit and its corporate greed. I guess by “going down” I meant its existence on this platform which, as I said, is a real tragedy. The current situation actually forced me to look at alternative subs focusing on men’s concerns,and it was bleak. As I said, either mired in misogyny, consumed with worthless self loathing, and a third option I forgot to mention—actually pretty good about discussing male problems but so loosely moderated that all sorts …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/23 12:23 PM
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If Leftwing Male Advocates goes down, that would be a damn shame. To be honest I'd almost call it a tragedy. I've been on this sub since its inception and to me it has stood out as a much needed middle ground. It has defied the odds and avoided the cursed fate of far too many subs focused on men's issues---degeneration into useless misogynistic rage at women or alternately into a pack of self loathing atonement-seekers who can only whine about how awful men are. Personally it's helped see the op…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/23 10:58 AM
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I'm not sure I agree with you precisely (I still believe it boils down to blood-feud type logic, but extended to overarching concepts like gender) but you have no argument from me about everything else you said. The issue is that you will never convince people who believe in this "sins of the father" mindset that they are cutting their own throats with their malevolent behavior. I have, on multiple occasions, made the point that while figures such as Andrew Tate may be "bad", the way men and boy…
/r/MensRights13/06/23 09:23 AM
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just like how we're expected to make up for the experiences of people who've been dead for hundreds of years. There's an imaginary score bored that has little to do with justice and everything to do with retribution, moral licensing, and displacement I always think that this is literally the logic of blood-feuds that carry on for generations and claim countless victims over incidents that happened before anyone involved was even conceived, let alone born. Most people would look down on that prac…
/r/MensRights13/06/23 01:47 AM
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Hmm, I'd have to disagree there, having known a lot of progressives in my time. Perhaps "liberal puritanism" is wrong on its face, but both progressive and conservative/traditionalists have an incredibly dogmatic and rigid aspect to them that demands conformity to a set of beliefs that have been deemed "good for the people" and "righteous". Anyone who disagrees is a heretic and must be beaten into submission or eliminated for the greater good. Furthermore, regular "tests" must be conducted to en…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/23 01:08 AM
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What they all forget. whenever something really bad is happening who are the ones to rescue, help and save lifes? No, that's part of the problem. They do not forget this in the slightest, at least not most of the people who denigrate men and boys. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen cries for what is essentially the male protector traditional gender role come out of the mouths of those who, just a second ago, preached a doctrine of evil male domination to all who would listen. Heck, natur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/23 03:16 PM
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Control them how? ...I have so many questions So I know I'm responding to a day-old comment but I thought this was at least a chance to explain/answer a question like this in good faith. I will make the disclaimer that the examples I'm using aren't wholly related to dating/romantic relationships with women, although they can be. While it is a generalization, I do think it is true that a significant number women will resort to using shame to control men---or more accurately, emotional manipulatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:07 PM
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I don't usually comment on here, but feel compelled to do so. Feminist philosopher Well, there's an issue right there. One of feminism's core facets is the idea that wield abject and undeserved societal power over women---power that we abuse like tyrants to make their lives significantly harder. In other words, according to them, we are the "oppressor class" and everything that goes on between us must be filtered through that lens. It frankly dulls whatever empathy women would have for men's iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:37 PM
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Yes the rigid partisanship that is becoming more and more common is quite destructive to working together for a common cause. With that said, I can also understand it to a degree, seeing as I have some very hardline beliefs when it comes to gender politics myself, and I have no intention of softening them in the slightest without tangible change in how things work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/23 02:13 AM
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I think most women who identify as feminists do so for emotional reasons. It just feels good to them. I obviously can't speak for your friend but I think it's for more complicated than an emotional reaction, or merely following what makes them feel good. Certainly that is a driving factor, but I actually think it's very much the opposite when it comes to why many women flock to the feminist banner. I mentioned this once before in another post, but I do somewhat feel empathy for feminist women ev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/23 03:13 PM
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Yes I saw that and find it very interesting. I expected that out of feminists, but I'm surprised at the MRA response. I don't consider myself an MRA but I know that I could probably not be close friends with someone who identified as a feminist...specifically a beliver in the male oppressor/female oppressed dynamic. To me it's too close to being friends with someone who is some kind of bigot like a white supremacist---in both cases they hold disdainful views toward an intrinsic aspect of my very…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 07:12 PM
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I've created and destroyed so many different versions of how I want to respond because there is so much to unpack. Ultimately I decided to focus on one aspect of my thoughts on feminism and how it relates to men, so apologies if it seems mediocre. Personally I deeply disapprove of male feminists since I see the movement as anti male at its very core. Bht those are largely emotional arguments and although I think they have practical merit, I don't want to go down that road here. One of the many r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 07:02 PM
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I can definitely understand your feelings; the people who do this are disgusting. Both of those were awful and stood out to me for different reasons: the standing up and apologizing one because of how blatantly wrong and unfair it was and the "targeted consent workshop for boys only" one because the discussion about it on r/mensrights showed how willing even some avowed MRAs are willing to throw boys and men under the bus in certain circumstances. Something else I just wanted to touch on, to jus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/23 08:15 PM
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Privilege arguments became useless—no, worse than useless, they became a destructive plague upon social discourse—the moment they became wrapped in morality and took on the guise of “original sin”, a corruption you were born with that makes you bound to atone for it and fair game for otherwise unacceptable cruelties. The instant that became part of the privilege paradigm, there was no going back. Which is a genuine loss because I do think conversations about inherent societal advantages are impo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/23 02:05 PM
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Precisely. My time, effort and resources belong to me and I am entitled to do with them what I want, within the bounds of the law and my own moral code. I'm actually open to explaining myself for the most part, but I consider it a massive red flag when someone (man or woman) tries to persuade me that men need to lessen our efforts to fix our own problems and increase our contributions to women's issues. This may sound incredibly harsh but I consider people like that to be actual parasites. Not j…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/23 08:28 PM
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Everyone has their "just so" when it comes to philosphy and morality, even if they might not want to admit it or are not aware of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 04:00 PM
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I've heard of this double-standard before, although I've never actually come across it either on the internet or in real life (although I usually avoid relationship-critique subs so that may be why). I have seen a number of other double standards, some of which are absolutely depraved though, so I definitely understand. You're welcome, about the stories though. I guess as unpleasant as those were, they make for good information about how comfortable a lot of people are about dehumanizing and las…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 03:56 PM
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Oh okay, no problem. I should specify that only one of these is my "personal" exprience---ie. where I have been actually in conversation with a person like this. The other is something I observed happen, but it was as informative as it was sickening to watch. My experience with the first type---the arrogant I-Know-Men's-Lives-Better-Than-They-Do is as follows: I was once asked by a woman who identified as a feminist (it was one of the first things she mentioned when speaking to me) to explain wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 01:18 PM
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Yes this exactly. You beat me to it, but I was going to explain that while their stance is hypocritical in the extreme, it does have a certain logic to it that makes it not-completely-nonsense. With that said... I don't know how much it applies to other examples of the "the oppressed knows more about the oppressor than the oppressor knows about the oppressed" but I have, from personal experience, found that women who say this tend to be the least understanding or empathetic of men's experiences …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 10:05 AM
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A lot of these are very good rebuttals to this type of argument, so I thought I would share a bit of a different angle. This isn't so much a way to dismiss the argument as much as it is a way to solidly stand one's ground against the idea that we should ignore men's issues before women's are completely taken care of. The way I personally deal with this argument is to basically tell the person in question that because I am a man, I will naturally focus on men's concerns and issues, just as I expe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 05:08 AM
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Thank you for your compliment! I'll definitely give your post a look when I have the chance (well, a more thorough look; I've skimmed it already). Without reading it yet, I can give you my current thoughts on whether or not history has been a patriarchy or not: This is a complicated issue and I think there is a large degree of nuance that both feminists and men's advocates completely ignore by virtue of trying to assign blame or shake off that blame...although I will say I find men's advocates j…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/23 12:20 PM
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I was actually thinking about this when I originally typed that out, if it sounded like I was looking down on house husbands. I don’t particularly care if a man is or wants to be a house husband. I don’t really see it as something to aspire to and personally speaking every aspect of my being recoils from the idea of being one. So the answer is neither yes or no; I was speaking about the position in relation to my goals for my life—in that case yes I was disparaging it. But just as a concept for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/23 01:32 PM
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Definitely all good points. We really are in for some rough times ahead and I fear it won't get better until after we are either dead or (perhaps worse) too old to enjoy the better new age but still here to see others benefit. But yes, best of luck to us and an extra congratulations for those who have managed to make it in spite of everything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/23 09:34 AM
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Was it that your mother always made more than your dad, or was that something that changed I think she always made more than him, although I could be wrong on that. She was a doctor and he was a teacher (although my dad later became a principal and then an official for the department of education; they're both retired now). I don't think a woman making more than her husband is an inherently bad thing in itself; I just know that it was something that caused a great deal of tension between them, e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/23 07:51 AM
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I'm one of the people who voted for "unsure". There are so many obstacles that stand between me and marriage that it's actually kind of funny. I want to get married, I really do. I have the typical dream of marrying a woman and eventually starting a family of my own. But the current economic situation makes things complicated; I don't make enough to provide for a wife let alone a child, even if we both worked and combined our income. I have zero interest in entering a relationship with a woman w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/23 01:34 AM
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Maybe it’s projection? Since she probably lacks the empathy and compassion for men and boys. Probably? I mean, I agree with you, but that quote in itself is almost a blatant confession that she sees men and boys as less than human. I've come across these types of people before---they see men and boys as either the enemy, or as a problem to be solved for the sake of women. They want to restructure masculinity not for our benefit, but to mold it into something that keeps them from harm...caused by…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/23 05:26 AM
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I guess I could understand how someone would be pleased with that achievement (still not sure if I'd be proud but that's just me). Where the message is confusing is that the OP implies far more than just balance---it outright alludes to men being replaced since "most" of the executive government is now women according to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/23 02:36 PM
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If I recall correctly there is a vast effort to address the mysterious disappearances of hundreds of indigenous women that have been occurring for a long time now. But when people tried to bring up doing the same for native men the backlash was absurdly severe. In fact I think Trudeau outright said that an effort like that would be "a mistake". I do certainly know for sure that many decried the effort and blamed the deaths and disappearances on simple gang activity and crime and victim blamed to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/23 03:10 PM
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Wait how on earth are you actually proud of that? Shouldn't you be at least a little bothered by the slow "phasing out" of men from government positions? I don't know much about Canada but you say it's closer to 50/50 at one point but then say that men are mostly being replaced by women and act like this is anything to be happy about? I'm somewhat confused and disconcerted. EDIT: I will admit I am very much men-first in what passes for my ideology, so perhaps I’m simply out of touch. I just cann…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/23 11:04 AM
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And leave them isolated in the process, if my live experienced is anything to go by. I'm sorry you had to experience that. So, this is going to sound like the most uncharitable and conspiratorial opinion, but since I've actually spoken to someone who thinks like this (and therefore confirmed my suspicions) I'll go ahead and say it: While a lot of people who advocate this mode of masculinity---soft, vulnerable, emotionally open and mkst of all attendant to the needs of others, almost as if in pen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/23 04:25 PM
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This may be cringey so I apologize, but there is a quote from an anime that perfectly sums up this issue: "I don't like the term, 'good person'. That usually means someone who is useful to you or follows your way of thinking." So-called "positive" masculinity is ironically even worse than the toxic masculinity buzzword. At least toxic masculinity once had a clear meaning and was intended as a way to help men identify certain gender based hurdles unique to us, before it was irretrievably corrupte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/23 11:07 AM
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I was scrolling through this thread thinking about this just when I saw your comment, and I agree, especially with the stip search thing. It's ugly but I do wonder if the media is being pragmatic in its effort to expose an injustice (and get viewer revenue). They know that people react more emotionally to children and women so they omitted "boys" from the headline. I can see the logic being that it exposes an injustice to the light of day and helps victims, so doing the victims the comparatively…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/23 11:47 AM
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Completely wrong. Women care about their own kind first and foremost. Men... also care about women foremost. Yes, I know. I admit that I was trying to tread lightly, due to the likely controversial nature of this opinion. So I tried to put on a "both sides have an issue" spin on it, but it seems I only wound up distorting my point. It certainly wouldn't be the first time my attempt to make my message more palatable has affected its coherence I also agree that biology makes a steep hurdle, but I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/23 09:49 PM
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Personally I think the post you linked was perfectly fine in terms of the responses the OP got (although perhaps I'm just used to so much worse that I just view it through rose colored glass). However the point you make, about the male experience being dismissed or undervalued is spot on. I have given this anecdotal example once before, but I think that it is helpful here too: A little while ago, I was asked by a woman, who identified herself as a feminist, to give a man's perspective on why men…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/23 01:06 PM
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Again, all very good points. I feel like there's not much I can say since I don't actually have anything to add apart from my agreement. I still personally think everyone should actively try to recognize and work against any tendencies they might have for tribalism, rather than just mirroring bias with bias I guess all I can say about this is that I agree with you there. However, the way I look at it is like this: Yes, it would be right for us to reject tribalism, it would be right for us to att…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 09:11 AM
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Are you suggesting that you currently believe that men tend to have more in-group bias than out-group bias? Oh no, not at all, quite the opposite in fact. I was, I admit, using very "inclusive" both sides have a problem type of language to avoid the appearance of misogyny/sexism, which seems to have distorted my point greatly. My belief is, for better or worse, a lot of women have an extremely solid bias in favor of their own kind, their in-group, whatever term one prefers. That means that they …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 01:35 AM
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Thank you. I'm actually a little ashamed of it, because it wasn't my best work---I was at the office and literally typed it out on the phone lol. But I think this is an important topic and I knew I had knowledge or at least insight to share and that was more important than polishing the post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 06:35 PM
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I mean...that's a decent point and an issue I have as well. But it feels odd to bring that up in this specific context. Disagreeing about a certain point isn't "misogyny".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 05:00 PM
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part of me does wonder if shows such as "To Catch a Predator" contributes to the perception that male sexuality is predatory. Hmm, that's a very interesting thought, especially as someone who is a fan of those old TCAP episodes. Personally, I don't think it had any real impact on how men are perceived when it comes to sex---male sexuality was seen perceived as dirty, dangerous and vile long before those types of shows were even a concept, let alone television itself. Hypothetically speaking, eve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 04:11 PM
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People try to maximise the power of their group. Most people are not conscious of it. So they engage against other groups, so far as they are seen as relatively "legitimate" targets. Yes, precisely. The opinion has gotten me a bit of heat before since it is "against egalitarian values" but it is a hill I will die on until I see some form of tangible change or evidence that I am wrong: Men and women, as aggregates, are not friends. We care about our kind first and foremost and will do what is nec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/23 02:50 PM
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All incredibly good points. I have to say that this: For example, a more radical feminist I know was asking why the Afghanistani non-taliban weren’t waging a war for women’s rights. “Well, who would fight that war?” reminds me of a conversation I had with someone a long time ago, pre COVID, and how completely appalled I was at the way they took the armed forces of the US for granted. It wasn't entirely a gender-based conversation but they basically said the same thing---that the US should just i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 11:26 PM
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Does the alt right say men are good, even? My dad... First of all I am intensely sorry you have to deal with that. It might not mean much from an internet stranger, but I sincerely am sorry. No one should have to hear that kind of thing from their own parent; whether it comes from the left or the right, it's still unacceptable abuse. About your question... I don't know about the alt right specifically, but I would argue that the right is far more male friendly than the left, at least under the c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 04:49 PM
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I've actually had extensive conversations with feminists/left leaning/progressive individuals about this very issue so I hope I these observations are helpful. There isn't a singular reason behind their surprise at being "absndoned" by men and boys. The reasons ivr received are as unique as the people I spoke to, but there are some heavy commonalities between them. One of the biggest reasons is what I think of as a mixture of arrogance and genuine underestimation of how destructive and damaging …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 02:59 PM
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I think to be perfectly honest, neither men nor women can "understand" the experience of the opposing sex/gender. They can learn of it through listening to stories/explanations of things and opening themselves up to being educated on the topic. But that will always be "knowledge" and not "understanding" since it is impossible to live like the other gender. Cases like that of Norah Vincent or the many transgendered people who begin to present as their desired gender are very helpful in bridging t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 10:47 AM
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That is a poor way of looking at things. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that then. I certainly acknowledge that it is an extremely cold way of looking at things, but in no way to I believe it to be wrong or misguided. I don't think that everything is a zero sum game; that is paranoid thinking that ultimately leads to malevolence mentality that casts everyone outside of yourself and a select few as enemies to be fought and ultimately conquered. But I do think that there are far more z…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/23 12:41 PM
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At this point I would gladly accept that, if I had an iron-clad guarantee that this path would benefit men in a way that outweighed the drawbacks inherent under such a system. I suppose it's sad, but I've learned to value our gender's wellbeing first and foremost with everything else being a luxury that we can worry about after our needs are taken care of and not one second before.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/23 10:54 AM
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Historically this has been true, but entertainment are cheaper, more accessible and more entertaining than ever "Bread and circuses" have always been a stopgap to forestall disaster but have never been a cure. I don't see why this would be different now. The more expensive and in-depth entertainment requires money, and if one doesn't have that money, then it is just one more thing to be angry at society about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/23 05:52 PM
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No problem, I appreciate hearing from anyone about this since, as I mentioned, I rarely hear about this "other extreme" in these sorts of spaces and I am curious. Anyway, although you phrased it differently than I would have, those are very much my thoughts on the matter. I don't really care much about the dating etiquette/aspects, but I dislike the resentment and genuine hatred I see towards women in general in a lot of male spaces, even those who are clearly trying to help and understand. I wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/23 04:47 PM
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I don't think it will even register then, at least not in the same way that problems for women are perceived. In the event of some mass rise of awareness of men's problems, the catalyst will be far more pragmatic than empathetic. Men with no prospects, who feel spurned and abandoned by society are dangerous and so the issue must be addressed for the good of everyone. That is how it will be framed, along with some long-suffering whining about why it has to be done in the first place. Can't men ju…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/23 04:20 PM
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I’m a little curious as to what you consider “the other extreme” if you don’t mind answering. I hear people in more male friendly but progressive spaces say this but rarely get elaboration, hence my curiosity. I have similar concerns about the extremes myself, although I will admitted they are tainted with a tinge of vindictiveness, so I want to see if my thoughts align with others here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/23 04:00 PM
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Thanks for answering this at least because I've seen this term flung around, and everyone seems to lose their minds when it surfsces...without actually addressing why it is so reviled.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/23 02:24 PM
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I have a wonderful mother who, along with my grandmother, mostly raised me. She is actually the reason I have always been at least somewhat aware of men’s issues since she and my grandmother took a great deal of effort to read and learn about them when they knew they would be raising two boys almost alone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/23 01:37 PM
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She probably was; I'm not sure, I've been fortunate enough to never have to speak to her again. I don't remember the exact details of her response (this took place over the Thanksgiving holidays) but she became irritated after I disputed her disclaimer of not being anti male. She told me that my words were a typical example of a man silencing a woman whose opinion he disagreed with. She then went on to defend her take by saying that people (men especially) cannot be trusted to be moral for the s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 01:12 PM
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I actually did respond to her by telling her that her stance was anti male despite her disclaimer that she wasn't. The response I received was...not pleasant to say the least.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 11:48 AM
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would bet you haven't talked to much in depth with religious people. Actually I come from a very devoutly religious family and used to be extremely religious myself, but that caused a great deal of pain and mental trauma. Ironically that religious upbringing and the issues it caused me are part of why I have always clashed with some of the more "woke" movements. Although I suppose that sentence proves your point lol. I guess I can see where you are coming from, and I'm not just saying that. I ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 11:46 AM
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Sorry to kind of follow your comments, but this is a very good point I wanted to respond to. my gripe with it is that in the long term, it will cement by repetition the bias that it is only relevant because it affects women. I understand the bitterness---or at least discontent---about this completely. But the problem is that right now, there is no alternative. I mentioned before that I see feminists complain a lot about how they don't like having to make men relate to their female loved ones whe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 11:23 AM
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No by all means go right ahead. I'm glad it helped you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 11:12 AM
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That is a good point, I will concede that. What I was trying to say was that a lot of the hyper-devotion feminists show is less of the this is the right way to live our lives and it cannot be questioned that you see in very religious people and more of the if we don't support this movement at all times, we're doomed attitude that you see in people who support a dictator or other political leader they believe stands between them and absolute destruction. Plus, a lot of religious fear comes from p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 10:42 AM
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That is why the goal (at least for me) is far deeper than just that. This is just my personal outlook, based upon my own experiences and observations, but here it is. In my mind, one of the biggest men's issues (in fact, I see it as the dark root of a whole host of our problems) is "man's inhumanity to man". Our deeply held inability to care about the wellbeing of other men outside of our immediate circle and even then we hold back a lot of compassion we would give to women without a second thou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 12:00 AM
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Of course she would care if it happened to someone she knew I'm honestly not so sure about that. Some people, especially those who are as venomously outspoken in their opinions of men like that, really don't seem to care much if their male loved ones are caught up in it. I mean, they care in that they are upset, but they won't lift a finger to stick up for their loved one and will indeed pledge that they believe the accuser above all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 09:38 PM
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I don't disagree with your points, I definitely "prefer" radical feminists or second wavers over the third wavers. I just think you sell third wavers a little short---"passive aggressive" lol. I actually respect second wave feminists in an odd sort of way even if I cannot stand their way of thinking and their views on men. When facing down one of them you know where you stand, how they feel about men, and how they think things should be done. They are brutally honest and have no qualms about let…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 09:13 PM
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I’ve dealt with this exact same attitude,unfortunately. Although the woman in question did actually care about men who were falsely imprisoned or had their lives turned upside down. At least she appeared to and had no motivation to lie. She just explained that the high degree of sensitivity around rape allegations which in turn enhances women’s safety was a worthy trade off for that and she “wouldn’t change anything”. Somehow the actual empathy but firm and knowing embrace of injustice to benefi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 06:45 PM
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It's much harder to address a core belief, especially when it colors a huge part of their worldview. It can be like trying to change a religious belief sometimes This is very true; I the way they act at times is very similar to overzealous religious people who cannot accept any opposition to their creed without calling it evil and assuming the worst. With that said, I think it is a little more complicated than rigid dogmatic adherence to a movement's ideology. That may be the end result, the pro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 04:28 PM
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I agree, and youre 100% right about how they see it and and how they see it's role in how freely they can live today, but it's a lot easier to empathize with you, than feminists, because women were never unilaterally oppressed anywhere like black people were in america I guess when I say I "emphasize" with them, I mean it in the very strict meaning of the word, as in that I can put myself in their place and see where they are coming from. I don't have a lot or sympathy or compassion for them at …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 04:12 PM
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So I don't have much time to respond but I wanted to at least acknowledge this. I'm sorry you were met with such a response and wound up feeling like the world is in the grip of a hate movement with good publicity. The harsh truth of the matter is that it is. But it's more than just that bleak outlook and let me give a more nuanced viewpoint that has let me release some of my bitterness, anger, and "doomer" mentality when it comes to gender politics. Confronting women and afab people with femini…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 01:28 PM
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This is something that irritates me too, but you have to look at it from a pragmatic perspective. I understand that the idea of men's lives being ruined and their freedom stolen should be enough. But this is one of those things that I call an "is vs ought" issue. The ideal vs the reality. The impact a false accusation can have on a man should be a horror enough to motivate some semblance of change. But the harsh reality is that it is not. I have spoken to people who believe that men being falsel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 11:31 AM
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I remember hearing about this a long time ago and being appalled that this was going on with the monetary blessing of so many countries. There seems to be this blanket desire to not deal with the problem or blanket hatred of ISIS that lumps all of these people together in a single mass of bad guys. We’ve locked up the bad guys, it’s over, no need to sort out the innocent children we caged in with hardened, murderous cultists. I’ve seen some of the discussion on this in other subreddits and the a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 01:15 PM
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I'm so very sorry that you went through that. It makes me angry and sad as all cases of child mistreatment do. I'm not really sure what to say that won't sound clichéd, but I agree with what some people here are saying when they advise you not to overcorrect. Pick the parts of your identity that bring you pleasure and embrace them, masculine or feminine. Finally... There is that dead horse of "not everyone should be a parent" or "all kids deserve parents but not all parents..." but they've been …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/23 01:01 PM
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So...I always feel a sinking feeling when these sort of topics come up because I wind up defending the right wing side of things and I hate that 🤮. I think the rights "men aren't men anymore" and love affair with traditional masculinity is a very nuanced and gray issue where it isn't just traditional old fashioned men trying to drag down men who just want to be free. Traditional masculinity which the OP masterfully summed up as self sacrificing, unyielding and protective is championed as an idea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/23 04:48 PM
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Yeah I was trying to be diplomatic, and to abide by the egalitarian rules of this sub that I respect. I've been intentionally softening my language, but I agree with you and that was kind of the point I was attempting to convey. The way I see it feminism and feminists are the enemies of men. I don't think every feminist hates men but they are all anti male to varying degrees, and there isn't a one of them who wouldn't turn on men in favor of some feminist goal if it came down to a hard choice be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/23 09:06 PM
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You arecorrect. It's actually quite ridiculous---as I said, men are socialized to "take it on the chin" in so many other things, yet so many of us shrink and bow and beg for forgiveness once the dreaded "m-word" comes out. I think it's because of how much power the word commands---men will be looked at with suspicion, cursed, shunned from their groups, even physically threatened if branded an enemy of women. Yet, ironically, that power is only activated by other men doing the bidding of those us…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/23 08:31 PM
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...its not like you'd leave the cause orphaned Yes this was actually one of the things I thought about (and still do) when I started to lose my sympathy for women's issues. The world seems wiling to break its own spine bending over backwards to ensure women are taken care of, so it isn't as though one less man at the beck and call to their cause will take anything away. Nowadays I generally don't care if it does somehow weaken their causes, but that was my thinking in the beginning. It isn't as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/23 08:16 PM
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Hmm, I'm sorry but I'm afraid I have to disagree with the "meat" of this premise. I do agree with the Flanderization process you have described, but I think the issues spoken of in the OP are inherent in the system and would manifest even if everyone was on their pins and at the pinnacle of knowledge, reasonable debate and control at all times. There has always been an oppressor/oppressed dynamic in feminism and in many leftist movements, and both of these areas have always had a soft spot in th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/23 06:54 PM
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So...I'm somewhat hesitant to say this, but this post seems as good a place as any, and I believe that the message is far more important any petty personal fear of pushback. First of all, this was a very well done post, even if the information it revealed and presented was appalling. As others have said here, seeing it all laid out like this is jaw dropping. But I'm procrastinating to avoid making my own point. The point I want to make is that it is very obvious at this point---it is beyond obvi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/23 05:05 PM
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You shouldn't have been down voted for this, since I think you make good points that deserve rebuttals. I don't agree with you that men are considered the "more human" ones as much as I think you are describing the dichotomy of being male. The beauty and tragedy of manhood is this: the world is your enemy. It is not there to accommodate you, it is not there to catch you when you fall. It is harsh, indifferent and will at times actively throw obstacles in your path that can and will crush you. Ho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/23 07:42 PM
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My best guess is that paternal instinct can be blinding. Yes that's certainly true. But...I can't help but think it's more than just that. I think that men have a deep instinct to destroy each other or at least a deep antipathy that divides us. I'm not going to say paternal instinct is just an excuse to indulge this dark compulsion, because it is a real and valid thing. But I think that paternal instinct can and is often used to justify existing issues with other men and boys, and it can be indi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/23 09:24 PM
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I mean...thank you for your compliment, I appreciate it. I don’t think I’m very brave for saying this though; like you I have observed this and seen the change that comes over many men. And as I said in my comment one man (who I’ll just come right out and say is my Dad) assured me I would care less about men’s issues after getting a female partner. So I don’t see it as bravery or courage, just stating unfortunate facts. ...now the real bravery would be digging into how this applies to fathers of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/23 07:51 PM
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Which is how it should be. Those who hold hypocritical double standards, particularly those that work in their favor, aren’t worthy of respect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/23 07:00 PM
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I made an edit to this post now that I know more about this situation (I don't really follow streamer drama so I didn't have the full picture). I still think the larger body of my post is helpful, but the edit is also useful. So, I feel like I'm repeating a copypasta this point since I have said this so many times, but I feel that it is a very important message for anyone who is engaged in male advocacy (male or female) to understand, and this streamer's reaction just confirms it all the more: S…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/23 07:46 AM
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So, like a lot of gender-based topics, this is a complicated subject with no concrete "right or wrong" answers. With that said, I want to first tackle an aspect of this that is extremely black-and-white. Anyone who looks at the help of another person and turns their nose up at it while calling it the "bare minimum" is an incredibly entitled individual, and you should be grateful that they just outed themselves as unworthy of further effort. This applies to pretty much everyone in a myriad of dif…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/23 08:34 PM
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Feminist demand for men to support woman’s issues So, this kind of walks the line on what I think is productive conversation in these matters, but it is an opinion I hold due to life experience and I'll stick by it until I see evidence otherwise. I don't mean to offend anyone who reads it either but...anyway. I think that this isn't so much an issue with feminists as much as it is with women in general, or rather the way our society and really our species views male and female relationships. I t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/23 06:15 PM
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Most people who claim to be MRAs are misandrist in certain ways. I know this is a two day old post but this part of your commentary made me think, and it also reminded me of something unpleasant. There was a post on r/MensRights I read a while ago and there is a comment on it that disturbed me, although it did not surprise me in the slightest. The post was a discussion of some policy in the UK about sex education wherein young boys are taught lessons in consent. The lessons were really over the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/23 05:59 PM
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Perhaps an unpopular opinion but I actually "prefer" (as in, if I was forced to choose) radfem/second wave feminists and their rhetoric and views towards men. Second wavers often made it very clear that they saw men as evil or if not evil, as an oppressor class to be battled against. They drew very clear lines in the sand between us and women, and while it goes without saying that this was not even close to the right way forward, it was an honest no nonsense approach that I can respect. "Libfems…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/23 09:42 PM
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That’s pretty disgusting and I am sorry you had to deal with that. I admit to having little experience with racism personally (the ones I did have were far more in your face/stereotypical). So perhaps I don’t know what I’m talking about. It’s just been my personal experience that people are far more likely to be openly sexist than they are racist, and sexism towards men and boys seems to be at least somewhat acceptable to voice aloud in ways that I cannot imagine someone being acceptably racist …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/23 03:55 PM
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That’s true, and perhaps I should have made some mention of that. But by and large overtly racist comments/jokes/etc are frowned upon in mixed company and mainstream environments. They have been driven into specific environments. In the past, those with them were shameless because there was little concern that a person should be ashamed of having them. What I’m saying is that a person saying something along the lines of “You’re one of the good men in a sea of bottom of the barrel trash” would me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/23 03:45 PM
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TLDR: Unlike racist beliefs born of ignorance, feminism has a socal reward system built into it that makes it difficult to explain to people why their misconceptions are harmful. Longer Version: You do make a good point about the racism angle, and I do think that people will be more reasonable offline than on the internet, for a number of reasons some of them altruistic and some practical. With that said, I do disagree somewhat on this point But most of those people do not believe in the patriar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/23 03:01 PM
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And yes, of course, not all feminists and Conservatives are like this. Many are extremely sensible people. I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you there. In my experience, all feminists indeed are like this on some level. It doesn't mean that they are all open misandrists who jump at the chance to spew hatred at men and boys, but I have never encountered one who, upon engaging in a deep conversation, does not have some anti male belief. At the risk of invoking Goodwin's Law (or something simil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/23 01:49 PM
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There are two things to note here: First of all, the exchange you mentioned is the reason why the expression "toxic masculinity" is irretrievably corrupted and no longer of any use in civil discourse about gender issues. At one point it meant something, and I believe it was truly a valuable tool in trying to move forward to a time when both genders understood their unique issues and could come together to a state of mutual allyship. But it was "stolen" by ignorant people and bad faith actors and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/23 05:51 PM
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I’m interested into why there are no discussions of “toxic femininity” or “positive femininity”. There actually are discussions about toxic femininity, I'll say that. One of the first lines of defense when you bring up the double standard is that women's advocacy groups have been discussing it for decades if not centuries. And this is true, at least in a sense. But oftentimes, talks about so called toxic femininity are a masterclass in half measures when compared to how toxic masculinity is port…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/23 05:29 PM
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I'm of very mixed feelings when it comes to this issue. On the surface I have no problems with people highlighting the positive aspects of masculinity and men. On the contrary, I think it's more than overdue since it seems society has let loose an unending banshee's scream about the injustices, crimes, deficiencies and problems of men---as if to somehow make up for them as part of this obsession with atonement for the past. Likewise I see no problems with the use of the word "positive masculinit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/23 03:10 PM
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They bend facts to suit theories and not the other way around. I'm not sure about the psychology professors aspect, but I am familiar with the latter. There is a belief among some feminists that I have always found weirdly fascinating in its logic, since it does provide somewhat of a window into why they do this (by "this", I mean the adamant dismissal of men's experiences and perspectives). The belief is that women know men better than men know themselves. The justification is that women and me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/23 01:44 PM
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Yes, they're absolutely terrible obstacles to engaging with the other side or trying to explain a men's point of view. They are very prone to interrupting and assuring feminists that their (often negative) view of the situation is correct and that the man trying to explain things is either lying or wrong or trying to make men look better when we really are the worst. It's like trying to argue why black lives matter with Uncle Ruckus popping in and derailing the situation. I hate these men with a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/23 11:18 PM
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Don't believe anything feminist say about men, they know literally nothing about us and our history, why we are the way we are This is one of the things that baffles me as much as it invokes anger. I have actually tried to explain men's side of certain issues to feminists and lay out where we come from and why we feel that way, at least as much as I can from my experience as an individual man and from observations of the men around me. While I won't deny there have been positive receptions, a lo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/23 10:08 PM
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Some feminists are misandrists but I don't think all of them are. After all the whole point of feminism is equality; none of it should be about women being better than men. I don't think that all feminists are misandrists per se, but I do believe that every feminist is anti-male in some way, because the very foundation of the ideology is anti-male. The belief that there exists a worldwide system of male domination that has oppressed and tormented women for untold generations is an inherently hos…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/23 08:54 PM
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I hate that. I absolutely hate when they do that. You go out of your way to explain, in good faith, a men's issue that is complex and multifaceted, and can be looked at from a variety of angles in hopes of finding an outside perspective to help solve it. The response is basically to sweep it under the rug of patriarchy and call it a day. Not only is it incredibly insulting and dismissive ("we've already got this covered, nothing is gained by this conversation") it always ensures that the issue c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/22 05:31 PM
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I don't know enough about the man himself to make an informed opinion. In terms of his impact on society, I think it's complicated. Personally I deeply dislike that he makes his money scamming young men who are deeply wounded by the dogshit way our society seems to have lashed out at the male gender, and the good points he makes actually make this worse since it ensures more people will defend him and join the ranks of his followers. On the other hand, Tate is just a symptom of the aforementione…
/r/MensRights30/12/22 02:04 PM
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This is the reason why conservatives are not allies to men. They don't care about male issues because they truly care about men, they care about male issues to spite regressive leftists. I don't know if I entirely agree with this. There is definitely truth to what you said; conservatives will bend themselves into pretzels to purposely offend leftists, there's a reason why the "imagine doing xyz to own the libs" is a meme. They will take all sorts of outrageous positions. With that said, the link…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/22 11:55 AM
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Ethan Winters from the Resident Evil video game franchise. The man is dedicated to his family, almost to a fault, goes out of his way to help people he has no real reason to give a damn about, and is relentlessly determined to persevere in his endeavors---which again go back to protecting and ensuring a safe future for his family. His relationship with his wife is...a topic of much controversy within the fandom for a number of reasons that don't matter here, but the sheer dedication and genuine …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/22 12:17 PM
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Sorry this is going to be a long reply since I have pretty complex and lengthy opinions on both points you've brought up. TLDR: There are limits to what we should do to advance the cause of men's issues but small deviations from the "straight and narrow path" are nothing compared to what our opponents are willing to do and have done. It is true that different actics are needed for men and women but there is quite a lot that works for both sexes. I provide examples to demonstrate. We should lead …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/22 04:20 PM
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My counter argument is simply that this is a highly manipulative tactic similar to the ages-old “you’re with us or against us” logic, albeit much more focused on the manipulation angle. “Feminism” is an ideology while women are a gender and biological sex. Equating feminists with women and saying dissent against it is hatred of women accomplishes a number of purposes: First this disarms a dissenter by making them mentally scramble. If the target is a man, he will rush to defend himself from thes…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/22 02:17 PM
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it's just so tiring sometimes No, I completely understand. I don't know your personal background in this, but speaking as someone who has been in learning about and debating social and gender issues since late 2015, the advice I can give about this particular issue is as follows: Some people are simply lost. The men who have been brainwashed like this since birth, are lost. There may be someone willing and able to pull them out, but confronting them and trying to talk to them about how they are …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/22 02:28 PM
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This is a very tricky situation to navigate, so I definitely understand where you're coming from. Personally, I despise a lot of these men who seem to take pleasure or at least some emotional sustenance from their degradation and the degradation of their own gender. They are, to be very blunt, traitors to their own kind, and they should be reviled for that; I consider that to be a serious "offense". But one also has to look at the context in which a lot of these men came to be this way. Earlier …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/22 01:51 PM
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I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question or not, but yes I've had many such discussions over the years, and the answers never cease to invoke some negative emotion in me. Either it's downplayed, justified, or openly and unapologetically embraced as some form of well deserved retribution for things the person in question never even had to contend with. That last one was actually the end result of my first ever conversation about this topic with a feminist. This was years ago and I called out…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/22 12:18 AM
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Wall of text ahead, sorry. This really got me going. Anyway... Yes you hit the nail on the head. I remember several years ago (in 2020, actually) I got into a debate with someone about this topic and it was one of the few times I've lost my temper in this type of conversation, and I essentially told her she was an emotional abuser looking for a victim that is easily exploited. Now, as a slight disclaimer, anyone familiar with my occasional posts on here knows that I do not believe there are any …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/22 04:10 PM
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Well...I don't believe in patriarchy theory for starters. But, as to your other point: Isn't this protective instinct of powerful men but disdain towards less powerful men I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that. I never stated anything about powerful men having a protective instinct towards other powerful men and disdain for so called "lesser" men, quite the opposite really. My point was that men, particularly those who abide by more traditional modes of masculinity, tend to believe that pr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/22 09:22 PM
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I don't personally know your situation but I can recall a very specific incident that I know of where a group of close friends turned on one of their own and plotted to physically harm him due to a rape allegation. They instantly believed it and turned on him, withoutecen hearinghis side. One of the members of this friend group was gay. I am of the opinion that certain aspects of human nature are both nature that became nurture. We have certain instincts and as humans gained intelligence, those …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/22 02:27 AM
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he advocates throwing his fellow men under the bus...US men on US soil. He has a mandate to represent the whole of US, unlike your neighbor who has no such responsibility Yes, that is all true, although I do take some issue with the part about Afghan/Pakistani men and enemies, but that's beside the point. Men with Biden's outlook (or what I suspect to be his outlook) do not have a healthy view of other men or women. They have an antipathy and gap in their empathy and compassion when it comes to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/22 05:00 PM
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If you're willing to throw men to the wolves (and only men), not just go to the bat for women, you're not a traditionalist, you hate men or worship women. I'll have to disagree on that. Traditionalism, particularly traditional masculinity very much includes brutality against other men in the service of protecting women. Think how many myths and epic tales involve a single lone hero slaughtering countless (male) enemies to save a single woman. Traditional old fashioned men don't hate other men, b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/22 03:30 PM
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Oh, I know all about that. But that’s exactly what I’m thinking of when I call him a traditionalist rather than a female supremacist. It’s the idea that women are vulnerable prey and need to be protected at all costs from male predators. It has the end result of promoting a somewhat female supremacist agenda, but the mind that conceived the policies does not adhere to that ideology. ...I just want to disclaim that I am not defending Joe Biden’s anti male policies and rhetoric; I condemn them, bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/22 02:51 PM
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Perhaps a controversial take but I don't really see Biden as a "female supremacist" as much as he is a "traditional man" wearing the skin of a progressive. Spoken plainly, it means that he has the old fashioned values of "women are vulnerable and need to be protected at all costs from brutish, evil men" mindset. Perhaps I'm projecting onto President Biden, but I know and am very close to a man with similar ideology---extremely left leaning and progressive, but also very traditional in terms of g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/22 12:17 PM
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I think here is where my definition of "masculine strength" and yours may differ. I know the archetype is a big burly man but I think that is mostly superficial. Being a man that people look to to handle a crisis runs much deeper and has a lot more to do with character than muscles or a jaw line... Oh yeah I definitely made an error in communication there. I never really expected my original comment to attract much attention, so I used large generalities to describe what I saw as the "classical"…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/22 11:28 AM
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I didn't know how better to express it as it is clearly very nuanced, and the answer isn't to just put it away and ignore it. But any idea on what the deeper issue is? As I can't name it haha I'm genuinely sorry since it seems I didn't make my point clearly. The "deeper issue" was talking about was the so-called atonement culture that has gripped western civilization. It created the celebration of victimhood because there is now a mad scramble to right the wrongs of the past and empower victims …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/22 11:28 AM
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I think there is a current zeitgeist in our culture that being the victim is good; as things are, victimhood brings a type of power along with it. I don't think that that is healthy First of all, I've wanted to discuss this point on here for some time now, so thank you for bringing it up. Yes, as you mentioned, victimhood is "celebrated" nowadays or at least it functions as a social currency that allows one a measure of concern and power from others. My personal thought on this issue is that "vi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/22 08:00 PM
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Honestly I don't really think about it very often in that way. Being a man is simply what I am---I don't take pride in it or enjoy, it's just that I see it as an intrinsic part of my identity and I will defend it from any attackers just as I would the other parts of who I am. If I was forced into listing things I like, I'd say the following although it's a complicated love/hate relationship. I actually brought up this same point in an ill fated attempt at trying to explain the male POV to a femi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/22 06:28 PM
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I was actually going to say this in my original reply but deleted it: When you are a content creator, particularly one with a large body of work that is disseminated among the masses, there will be criticism of your ideas and even your morals and character if the things you write are divisive enough. Personally, I do think the dead deserve a measure of respect, but that respect is largely limited to their families and acquaintances in life (for example the infamous video where that girl insults …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/22 10:22 PM
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Thanks for the reply; I was sort of holding my breath, perhaps even awaiting an official warning for voicing these thoughts. I appreciate the PM offer, although I'm afraid I'll have to turn it down. I also realize that talk of how adversarial men's and women's interests can be I'm not sure if it's exactly controversial as much as it's controversial here. I understand, since it has a high risk of stirring up misogyny (and ironically, I myself was part of a discussion about regulation of these typ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/22 10:01 PM
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Bell Hooks is usually paraded as some "non-hateful" feminist who seems to "understand men". But in reality her work is some of the most patronizing towards us and carries a sickly attitude of "they're monsters, but they can't help themselves. We need to work with them so that they can be fixed". If I was forced into praising a famous feminist, I'd prefer Andrea Dworkin with her unapologetic disdain and even hatred of men that stemmed from trauma rather than that. She definitely deserves the ange…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/22 08:41 PM
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I'm very skeptical that this is possible. Men linking arms with one another and pushing back against women specifically seems to be something we are heavily averse to doing, which is part of the reason why I don't believe in the popular/feminist conception of Patriarchy. Yes, I agree with you; men's averseness to "linking arms" as a gender is one of the biggest men's issues there is in my opinion; I think it's the "root" from which a large amount of our problems spring. So I can see where you're…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/22 07:44 PM
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Well, that is true to a certain extent, but I am a little optimistic about this for the following reason. Say what you will about corporations, they are dedicated to making money. If they realize that men's issues are now "safe territory" to start setting up a metaphorical mining operation, they will do their due diligence on what works and what does not. Remember, they don't really care one way or another about the interests of one "side" vs the other; they just want what gives them profit. Tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/22 06:35 PM
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There isn't a place on Earth where her example makes sense, and shows either massive bias or extreme ignorance on her part. Now, there are many different social issues that have their roots in the history of white/European colonialism but "fear/disregard for men" isn't one of them. Almost every human civilization on Earth has treated men as more disposable and threatening than they do women. One of the biggest propaganda pieces used against other tribes/races/groups throughout history is that "t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/22 06:15 PM
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Um...thanks? Unfortunately I was just speaking from experience seeing how this plays out and extrapolating from there on what would happen in a larger context. I can only hope my prediction about corporations comes true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/22 06:03 PM
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But not all of it is being spoken in a positive manner. "Lonely men are dangerous", etc. Toxic masculinity, evil white men, etc, are to blame. Men's issues with definitely be used to drive agendas to frame men in a bad light. Yes, precisely. It's very clear that a lot of this "speaking up about men's issues" is done more out of fear-based pragmatism rather than genuine desire to help men with our problems. It's very much the same as those articles that used to come out about men having issues wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/22 05:24 PM
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So, I'm going to speak in generalities (since obviously there are millions if not billions of people whose opinions lean "Left") and also risk coming off as highly bitter/or angry, but here it goes. I think the premise of this phenomenon, that "the Left has woken up to men's issues" is incorrect from the get-go. The Left hasn't woken up to anything in this regard---what the Left experienced was the stomach-sinking realization that untold numbers of men suffering silently until they suddenly aren…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/22 04:17 PM
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I know your comment is old but I wanted to reply since this point just lights a fire under me no matter how hard I try to ignore it. While I don’t know much about the sub you’re referencing, there are a ton of anti feminist groups and figures arising within the public consciousness, and they are attracting a lot of support. On it’s own i don’t find this to be a problem in the least, but the issue is that a fair number of these blur or outright break the borderline between anti feminist and anti …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/22 07:31 PM
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I theorize that a lot of people on here are much more agreeable in real life and this is just a safe space for them to vent their frustrations I’ve never understood why this is always seen as a good thing or at least as some sort of reassurance. In my mind it’s the exact opposite. What this idea tells me is that there are hundreds if not thousands of men and women walking around who view the opposite sex with abject disdain. They see each other as oppressors, as parasites, as an opposing faction…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 04:08 PM
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Yeah I didn’t even know what to say when I read that. In all seriousness though I do kind of agree with this in a less hyperbolic way. If the Blue Squids could provide a historical record of oppression by the now subjugated Red Squids...well, it's unfortunate, but I think it's likely that our hypothetical leftist would accept the status quo. They would feel a little pity for the innocent Red Squids who weren’t even eggs when the Red oppression of the Blues was happening, but they would see it as…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 07:36 PM
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I think you’re kind of right, but I don’t think it would be any kind of lasting peace. If a Ukraine/Homefront type situation happened to the US, there would definitely be close solidarity but I can guarantee you that the moment the enemy was ousted then the preexisting cracks would widen once again. War or national crisis does unite a nation but that’s only until the panic passes. There has to be actual sit down talks and agreements made in times of relative peace to actually cement lasting chan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 05:18 PM
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Then I guess we agree on it; that’s my bad. I kind of got hung up on the part where you said you struggled to find any good in the current state of activism and I kind of read into it too much. So my apologies. Personally I feel like our society is going to need a “cool down” period. By that, I mean that emotions are running far too high for the kind of calm and collected discussions that lead to lasting change. It may take a few generations but eventually when everyone who has been corrupted by…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 05:10 PM
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I can’t say that I agree with the idea that no good has come from the “Age of Atonement”, even if that good has come prepackaged with a whole lot of bad. Prior to the inception of a lot of these modern movements, a great many people were hurt in large and small ways on a daily basis and those issues seemed as inevitable and immovable as, well, natural disasters. A lot of casual racism, sexual harassment and discrimination, mocking of the disabled and sexual minorities is now far more unacceptabl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 04:59 PM
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I definitely agree with you, although I think that this extreme polarization is a symptom of another issue. I mentioned that we live in the “Age of Atonement” (I think I’m going to start coining that term; it speaks to the writer in me). As I said, it’s good on one hand because it inspires (or in other cases it forces) conversions about how to address and solve injustices that are so deeply engrained in our society that they feel as inevitable as natural disasters. But the dark side of this shif…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 04:12 PM
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So I’m going to speak in generalities since “the Left” encompasses a sea of movements and ideologies, as well a near-infinite amount of individual interpretations and practices of those ideologies. So, moving forward from there... I don’t think the Left was ever about “compassion for all people” to be honest, although that was very much the simplified watered-down impression I was raised with, and to be fair I think the Left is far more accepting than the Right, at least in recent history. The L…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 03:44 PM
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Interestingly enough, I found out some time ago that this is apparently a technique of fascist and/or authoritarian regimes when discussing an outgroup that has been targeted for discrimination and possible violent action. Obviously the most famous example would be the way the Nazis discussed the Jews, but it can also apply to Pol Pot's Khamer Rouge and Stalin's Soviet Union. The outgroup is the scourge of society, the source of all or at least a great many evils that afflict decent "normal" peo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/22 10:22 AM
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When someone calls out "fragile masculinity", they are typically (though not always) calling out these behaviors. If men would find healthy ways to deal with their shit instead of acting out, we wouldn't be talking about "fragile masculinity" at all To be perfectly blunt, I find that this is a blatant distortion of the situation, with just enough truth to lend it a thin veneer of legitimacy. "Fragile masculinity" isn't merely "calling out" men for harmful behavior related to insecurities. Instea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/22 10:18 AM
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This was an amazing description of a kafkatrap and breakdown of how to bypass it. It disturbs me how many people seem to be so casual about deploying that kind of rhetoric or even worse actually structuring their beliefs around it (if you get upset about an accusation you are guilty). It's become so common that I've dismissed it as "stupid" or "annoying and not worth engaging" but this reminds me of just how sinister it actually is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/22 07:20 PM
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That line about showing empathy for someone (in this case men) when you identify a weak point as opposed to exploiting it reminds me of a long ago conversation I had with my younger brother. He had some (male, if that matters) friends whom he had known for some time. The details escape me, but they were pressuring him to accompany them on some weekend trip and he was uneasy about it. They mocked him for this and called him "a bitch" and other emasculating insults. When he told me this, I immedia…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/22 02:31 PM
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I don't know about how much of it is tied to capitalism (I can definitely see it being that, considering capitalism's imperative to wring monetary gain from everything it can). But, regardless of the cause, I feel like I will never ceases to be completely flabbergasted by the whole concept of unpaid "work"/mental load/emotional labor/etc when it comes to relationships and or the practice of running a family/household. I was raised with the understanding that there are certain responsibilities th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 04:35 PM
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the people who oppose us The problem is that, if that person's words are anything to go by (and I would argue that they are due to all the other anti male actions permitted and even engineered by left) we need to do some hard reevaluations about just what counts as our opposition. The right is obviously a nonstarter, but if large expanses of the left view men and boys as oppressors who need to be brought down and put on a leash to ensure that we cannot ever "do damage" again...then those people …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/22 05:45 PM
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This reminds me of something I read a few days ago on the VaushX subreddit that was disheartening, but refreshingly honest and thought provoking. There was a thread there precisely about how the left/progressives don't do enough to address men's concerns and even go up against them at times. One of the comments there caught my attention; it basically agreed with this sentiment and acknowledged that this was definitely an issue...but it went on to say that this is a feature, not a bug. By their r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/22 02:18 PM
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Hmmm. Well, in terms of how to run a sub, I'm pretty much at a loss since I admit that's far outside anything I'm familiar with. I can offer up some observations and sort-of solutions though. As I mentioned in my original post, there seems to be a slow but steady increase in posts pointing out ways in which feminists/women have wronged us as men. They're not what I would consider low-effort posts, but the sheer volume of them starts to be detrimental---it doesn't open the eyes of anyone who isn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/22 10:44 AM
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It doesn’t seem like there is a lot of raising awareness outside of these spaces in a positive way anyway You’re right there really isn’t. There is a lot of hatred and bitterness that is festering within men as a whole right now, which is partially why they gravitate to figures who espouse a doctrine of conflict and hatred—or at least doctrines that reject egalitarian values and encourage domination. And while this may seem contradictory to my earlier post, I don’t actually blame men like that. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/22 06:04 PM
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I only vaguely remember the original post and so I had to go back and skim it to make sure I didn’t repeat any points that were made there. Anyway... I think one way that we can improve is to stop any back-and-forth “slap fights” with feminism/feminists. What I mean is that I see a lot of “look at what feminists did” posts. And indeed a lot of those posts do pony out harmful and demeaning things feminists and other women’s movements say and do to men. It is important to bring attention to that, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/22 03:41 PM
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I tend to focus on the individual women I know who are nothing like the hateful hordes that infest the Internet. I think about how certain women’s issues affect them. I try to help on an individual basis based on that. Plus as others on this thread have said, “empathy” is different from “sympathy”. I can put myself in the shoes of women impacted by certain problems and get a certain sense of how they feel. As for sympathy...I have little sympathy for them as a group, due to how hostile the overa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/22 11:00 AM
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I guess I'm late to the "party", but I have some mixed feelings about this that I want to share, especially in light of some conversations I've recently had with people who have identified as feminist/feminist-leaning. I agree with the OP in the sense that misandry should absolutely be the target, especially since it manifests as far more than just loud declarations of "I hate men!" although I won't discount those as damaging. Targeting misandry means doing far more than fighting with feminists,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/22 06:04 PM
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Well then I guess thanks for the discussion as well.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 07:13 PM
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I feel like this has the potential to expand into other topics that I don’t really want to get into right now, but here goes... I understood the point you were making and I still think that it is anti male. I also feel like you are talking about two separate issues that are only thinly related and conflating them, which is a little confusing. First of all, on the subject of separate female spaces, I don’t think it’s fair or even factual to compare the reaction to white people getting angry about…
/r/MensRights29/08/22 07:03 PM
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Well, I’m certainly not going to bully you but I will be a little blunt. I understand that your intent was to be positive/reassuring, but in a lot of ways I feel like this is a prime example of feminism/feminist sympathizers being inherently anti male even if they don’t outright hate/resent men. The way you frame this makes it seem like the real problem is entitlement in men’s part and that we need to somehow understand that the world doesn’t revolve around us. Which, of course, puts the blame a…
/r/MensRights29/08/22 05:53 PM
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I cannot say if we have the same conclusions or not Well to be perfectly honest, we actually have almost the exact same opinions to the point that it's a little uncanny. Your explanation and overview of the dynamics between men and women/femininity and masculinity are nearly identical to what I believe and have written about in longer, more introspective posts on other subs. I think the only place where we radically diverge is this aspect: The push back from this will be similar to the aggressiv…
/r/MensRights27/08/22 01:26 PM
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I know this is an “old” comment but this has me intrigued. What specific acts of vengeance and retaliation are you concerned about taking place as the pendulum makes its swing back? I ask because I have often pondered this myself. I suppose I have a somewhat different view in that I see Tate and these various other “toxic men” as deserved consequences of a society that has fallen into a pit of anti male hate and collective guilt. So while I do dislike Andrew Tate I definitely enjoy the fear drea…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 08:08 PM
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Excellently our and poetic as well. The tragedy is that this vicious struggle over the “thorny crown” of victimhood is merely a symptom of a much larger social problem and will continue unending until that problem is addressed for better or worse. I can’t pinpoint when it started exactly (although I can point out times when I think it accelerated) but I think that western society is undergoing some sort of mass crisis of conscience. All of the bloodshed, injustice and general cruelty and oppress…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/22 04:12 PM
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This is definitely true. I do have some thoughts on this though: Masculinity I think as a construct is incompatible with solidarity. I don't think this is entirely true. As I mentioned, men have formed incredible bonds with one another, sometimes stronger than with their own families and spouses. The caveat however is that all of these men belonged to a similar group---a team, an army unit, a club, heck sometimes all it takes is being part of a particularly busy and stressed group of workers in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/22 11:24 AM
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Wow. First of all thank you for answering the question. I actually didn’t expect an answer of any kind except perhaps being scolded for not addressing your main point, but no, you came through. I really wonder why that old lady did it, if indeed she did do it. No matter what her reasoning it is a horrific and unforgivable crime, but I cannot help but wonder what exactly drove her to that point. I remember hearing an answer on a Reddit thread about dark family secrets where someone explained that…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 10:39 PM
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You had someone outright admit to murdering or attempting to murder their husband or child?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:15 PM
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And this is precisely what I was talking about. I’m surprised you didn’t pull out that tired old Margaret Atwood quote. I don’t care in any shape or form who hurts who more when it comes to spewing hatred and bigotry and I can confidently bet that there a millions of men who don’t either. No one apart from the very weakest of men is going to hear or read hateful anti male things said about men and think Wow that hurts my feelings but I have to remember we’re the oppressors so I need to shut up a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 06:34 PM
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I’m not trying to dodge the question but I don’t think this is the right thing to ask. Framing it as “is this as bad as...?” already sets up a framework in which certain toxic behaviors are allowed to slide because they are labeled as “not as bad” or “the group doing this bad thing are lower on the perceived totem pole”. Letting someone get away with blatant cruelty or toxicity because of their unborn traits is the perfect way to create hatred and resentment for the person being given a pass—and…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:45 PM
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This is one of my biggest problems with feminists and their sympathizers, the colossal arrogance they display in their refusal to accept any accountability for their part in the toxic stew that is gender relations now. I am willing to admit to excesses, cruelties and abuses on the male side that ignited the flames of hatred and created a need for a women's movement. But so many of them abjectly refuse to admit to any wrongdoing on their part that may have spawned a backlash that is now growing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:33 PM
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Sometimes I think there is a massive divide in what certain people (I’m not going to say “women” because I’ve seen men express this attitude multiple times, and it’s always depressing and enraging) see as hatred. There seems to be a higher bar for “sexism” when it comes to the things women say to men vs what men say to women. You say that you haven’t seen a rise in anti male behavior and beliefs online? Perhaps that’s true, but I feel like I can easily point out a myriad of examples not just on …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:30 PM
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t bugs me that in calling for that I'm deemed to be making my allyship "conditional". I'm sorry for the late reply to a three day old post, and I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but I feel like you mentioning this brings up an important point that must never be forgotten---and I feel that it is often forgotten (or purposely trampled underfoot). Allyship is "conditional" by definition. In order to someone's ally, you make a pledge to stand by their side and fight. You have their ba…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/22 08:59 PM
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I’m afraid I don’t understand. I’m not all that familiar with the Rittenhouse case; it came at a time that I was intentionally staying away from a lot of the news for my own mental health.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/22 04:42 PM
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I’m trying to tread carefully here, but I think this needs to be said. I’ve brought this up on occasion, but something that I can somewhat respect about the right is that it seems to understand the “equivalent exchange” aspects of traditional relationships between men and women. Men do the hard dirty dangerous and bloody work as protect women from danger, putting ourselves in front of them as a living wall. Women do the child-rearing, looking after the home, and cooking. They also reward men wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 04:22 PM
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Ah I understand. Thanks for clarifying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 12:39 PM
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So I saw the mod post and am not sure if that means this post is locked, but I wanted to still contribute some thoughts. I hadn’t heard of Andrew Tate until recently when the polarizing fervor about him seemed to leak into every subreddit I frequented. I wanted to see some of Tate’s work for myself before I made a decision as to whether he really is the horrible villain so many people claim he is, and to be honest I came away with mixed feelings. Watching his videos and reading his advice led me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 12:26 PM
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No problem, it was a good (if depressing) read and, as I said, articulated a lot of points that I wholeheartedly agree on. I do have some thoughts on your response if you don't mind, and I wanted to elaborate on the point I was making (I guess I found the energy after all) lol. I apologize if it's long-winded but it's a fairly intricate topic that I often think about and try to find ways to solve. But I'm not sure that men don't like other men, in like individual men. I'm pretty sure on the othe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/22 09:08 PM
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There is so much I feel should be said in response to this, but right now I don’t have the time or energy to craft a worthy reply so I am sorry. What I do want to say is that your point is heartbreaking but incredibly astute and I agree with everything you said. I believe that this example you have is part of what I (perhaps arrogantly, since it is one of the men’s issues that I am passionate about) consider to be the men’s issue—the malignant root from which so many others spring forth. That is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/22 07:25 PM
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Sorry for such a late reply. ​ No problem, appreciate the discussion regardless. Thanks. As I think I mentioned before, incels and their plight aren't really something I think of a lot apart how irritating it is that the insult is hurled around willy-nilly and how to discern whether or not the conversation is worth salvaging once the dreaded I-word has entered the room. Of all the men's issues that I think about and argue for, incels rarely really crossed my mind as a problem that needs to be ac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 10:31 PM
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I feel like this deserves a bigger and better response but I am on mobile so I apologize. Once again you make very good points, but I do have some trouble accepting the argument for a softer stance towards incel rhetoric. I mean no disrespect but this defense is much the same as the arguments that spring up to defend the nastiest man-hating quips and comments across the Internet. Mercifully it lacks the hard edge of self righteous entitlement that often accompanies the defense of blatant misandr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 07:14 PM
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You make some very good points and once again I can’t really argue against any of them. I have to admit that incels aren’t really something that I think of very often. I do agree that these are men who have “fallen through the cracks” so to speak and are now festering in the underbelly that lies beneath. Poetic phrasing aside, I’m saying that I definitely acknowledge that these are real men who are suffering from loneliness and deep hurt and it has warped them to a degree. I won’t say that I def…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 05:56 PM
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That reads to me like post-insult rationalisation and not even a very good one< It’s definitely not good logic, you’ll get no protest from me there. The point I was making is that there are two types of people who inappropriately use “incel” in a conversation. There are those who think they’re employing the verbal equivalent of a knockout punch and are only interested in “owning” their opponent with little concern about the topic at hand/the debate itself. These people are not worth conversing w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 05:26 PM
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This is a complex topic, at least to me. I’ve definitely seen “incel” flung around as if it is the ultimate argument-ender and not just an ad hominem insult with no value. Frankly I refuse to continue a conversation with someone who throws “incel” and “misogynist” into the discussion in a clear effort to suppress any dissent—it’s proof that the other party isn’t interested in real discourse and prolonging the conversation is a waste of everyone’s time. With that said (and this is not in any way …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/22 03:13 PM
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Well I have to admit your line of thinking is much closer to mine than I had thought. I’m not a fan of the way people are picking apart the minute details of this lady’s words just because of her acknowledgement of the awkwardness and uncomfortableness inherent in teenage sexual fumbling. Frankly I didn’t see her words on that as supporting feminist thought; if anything it seemed more like a placating tactic, tossing a bone to the preverbal wolves to avoid unnecessary backlash to her article. I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 06:23 PM
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I was going to downvote this but I figure trying to explain rather than just “attack” is more constructive. There are a lot of people on this thread that are justifiably angry and bitter on this thread. The issue described in the article is a horrible tragedy that often is covered up or even worse brushed aside as “acceptable losses in the fight against a bigger issue”. So it stands to reason that emotions are going to be running high on this one. There are a few takes that I do find to be a ove…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 04:56 PM
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You're absolutely right about all of that, from both an ethical and frankly from an emotional perspective, at least where I am concerned. The problem with the idea of "taking down the game" is that it will be nearly impossible to do right now. The "Oppression and Privilege Game" is a facet of a much bigger phenomenon and until that issue resolves, this symptom will continue unabated. I think that Western Society is going through a mass crisis of conscience as it thinks about the terrible deeds t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/22 10:49 AM
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Not me. I get it; it’s absolutely ridiculous that anyone would feel that way, and I don’t begrudge you your amusement. But I’ve dealt with people who see being born male as some sort of burden and original sin that they have to spend their miserable lives repenting for. Men like that are absolutely wretched and aren’t just a danger to their own wellbeing but the wellbeing of other men and boys and the stability of society itself. I find evidence that there are more out there than just the troubl…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 09:18 PM
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The zombie apocalypse show Z Nation absolutely blew this out of the water in how it was executed, and I have to acknowledge that regardless of whatever other faults I have with the show. One of the core cast was a woman who was basically raised in an ultra patriarchal survivor colony (the men were treated brutally but generally like human beings while the women were disposable sex slaves, incubators and just general slaves). After she’s rescued and joins the heroes they come across a “paradise” …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/22 07:34 PM
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I...I actually can't believe how much worse this was than I thought it would be. I was imagining some puff piece full of one sided ragging on straight men on behalf of women and girls but no. This was outright advocating "political lesbianism" which if I recall correctly is a highly offensive ideology since it feeds directly into the idea that the LGBT community is full of people who are just willfully "choosing an alternate lifestyle" or who just "never found the right man/woman".
/r/MensRights13/07/22 02:13 PM
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That was such a bad take that I actually thought it was being ironic or at the least trolling before I realized with dawning horror that it was serious. I actually wish that user would have further elaborated/defended their point because I genuinely cannot understand what would go through their mind to come to that conclusion, and I want to have some insight. They have to either be some self hating male feminist or a hardcore “man up and protect your women” traditionalist. I can’t tell; the line…
/r/MensRights12/07/22 03:33 PM
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How is this not hatred of Men?? Its like saying "White Nationalists don't hate men but instead see blacks as ignorant and savage who hurt women and need to ve educated", you see how silly it sounds? It is hateful to dehumanise the opposite sex Sorry I didn't get to reply to this although I saw it appear a little while ago. I want to be clear that I'm not defending either type of feminist, as much as I'm trying to explain the facets of negativity their patriarchy theory generates towards men. Tha…
/r/MensRights03/07/22 01:25 PM
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My apologies since this is going to be somewhat of a read. ​ let's all be intersectionalsit and put people in an hiearchy the way it was in the good ol' days. I'm conflicted on this to be honest (and in the spirit of honesty, I feel like we're stepping outside of topics that I am confident in my understanding of, so I'm going off pure personal experience to form my opinions here). On the one hand, intersectionality is a good theory and mindset and I won't deny that I am of a group of people (act…
/r/MensRights02/07/22 03:49 PM
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Thank you. In my experience, every feminist I have encountered and spoken with (and I have been doing so for five years now) has had at least some anti male opinions that eventually come out the longer the conversation goes on. I don’t mean this in the sense that they are hiding these beliefs and then suddenly release them; is compare it more to being acquainted with someone who is casually racist. At first they’re indistinguishable from other people, but as you become more comfortable with each…
/r/MensRights02/07/22 03:17 PM
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I’m late to the party but here is my opinion. I think that it is important to distinguish the feminists from the outright misandrists. A feminist isn’t necessarily a misandrist, although there is a high correlation and I do believe that feminism encourages, protects and spreads hatred of men. But just being a feminist by itself doesn’t make you a misandrist. With that being said I do strongly think that every single individual who identifies as a feminist is anti male in their beliefs and ideolo…
/r/MensRights02/07/22 02:48 PM
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Yes, that was an interesting conversation. I'll give credit where it was due though, they laid into that one hard-liner who just absolutely refused to even pretend to be friendly towards men even enough to gain support. And yes, she refused to see reason, although she was basically reduced to just repeating "We don't have to be nice to men" over and over again like a mantra. The shame is, that the OP (the man who said he was put off by hateful behavior by women while he was trying to be an ally)…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/22 12:24 AM
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I wanted to wait until I had more time to reply to this so I could better articulate my thoughts (if indeed this was directed at me, if not then am sorry.). It's unfortunate that people who are not feminist will suffer from this as well. I acknowledge that certainly. I still don't see that as a reason to blindly help; if anything that is all the more cause to tread carefully. I've given the emotional reasons for why I hesitate to give anything to this cause and why don't support male aid in this…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/22 04:56 PM
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I’m honestly shocked that I wasn’t immediately castigated for this opinion or perhaps even threatened with a ban. A pleasant surprise but one just the same. So I think I’ll push the envelope a little more (not to be intentionally provocative, just being fully honest about how I feel). I don’t feel apathy; at least that’s not my predominant emotion concerning the situation. I think this is a terrible thing that has happened and it has far reaching implications that we haven’t even begun to see ye…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/22 12:44 PM
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I agree with this quite a lot, and am annoyed at the idea that OP was treated uncivilly there. On the other hand I do happen to be one of those people who is more than a little disgusted and irate at these “calls to action” directed towards men now that this disaster has been fully realized as something more than a worst case scenario. I had a conversation with someone about it there a little while ago and I think a point I brought up there is relevant here: A lot of the men there were talking a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/22 11:13 AM
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So in other words, you're saying that their hatred and vitriol directed at any and all men is legitimate? Actually it's worse than that; you're saying that their hatred is legitimate, and that we should embrace being punching bags or at the very least ignore how awful they're being. I've heard this refrain so many times I've lost count.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:11 PM
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Well, this clearly isn't going anywhere, although I wasn't trying to sway you to my side, must clarify my personal point of view. I do not have a "twisted view" of women. What I think based on my life experiences and observations of the world, is that women and men have a broken relationship. For most of my life I thought that we were "natural allies" since we are, after all, the two halves of humanity. I thought that both of us need to work hand-in-hand to solve our collective issues and that w…
/r/MensRights25/06/22 02:57 PM
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Thank you for the compliment. I do comment on posts mostly on r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates and rarely on here, though I do lurk. Perhaps that's why I seem familiar lol. I don't do any "official" writing on men's issues, but I do have a lot of opinions and observations about gender dynamics that I tend to keep inside until I get motivated to comment on something.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 02:00 PM
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There's a lot you brought up, so this is going to be long. Like I said, I don’t base my actions on how other people act, I base my actions on what I believe is right. I don’t need other people to do good for me to do good. And that's where we have a fundamental disagreement. I think your mindset leaves you open to be taken advantage of by people who see that you will never not support them, no matter how horrible they are, because you are locked into a certain mode of behavior by your morals. Th…
/r/MensRights25/06/22 01:57 PM
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This is an absolutely awful take. I'm not targeting you specifically, but I've seen this mindset come up time and time again over this past two years and I'm fianlly going to say something about it. On the surface your outlook sounds all morally right and courageous, but at the end of the day is essentially advocating for a parasitic relationship. A dynamic in which Party A does all the work and jumps at Party B's every whim, while Party B does nothing to help A and in fact continues to hurt, ab…
/r/MensRights25/06/22 12:36 PM
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Please hear me out first before becoming upset. I actually agree with this observation to a large extent; in my personal and observational experience men do not like the idea of joining together as a gender to advocate for ourselves. It’s not merely apathy that prevents this; I’ve seen (and experiences) outright anger and disgust at the very idea. The men who gather here and on other male advocacy focused places are not the norm. I’ve mentioned this on here before but a lot of times you have to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/22 03:53 PM
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Agreed on all points, apart from your characterization of this harmful dynamic as an “abusive” relationship. It is but I feel that it’s both more accurate and more impactful to refer to it as a “parasitic relationship”. It hits harder in my experience; referring to the way male “allies” are treated as “abusive” tends to be met with metaphorical eye-rolls and sneers of if you think that’s abuse, it shows how privileged you are/that is offensive comparing your little gripes to the hell women suffe…
/r/MensRights13/06/22 12:32 PM
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What is wrong with sexual favors in return for men's help? Fair trade is fair trade Well it depends on the context. Honestly I don't really care what two consenting adults want to do as long as it doesn't break the law or hurt anyone else. If a man speaks up for a woman against another man who is spouting misogyny (actual misogyny, not just disagreement with feminism or assertion of boundaries ) and the woman being defended decides to sleep with that man, then that's perfectly fine, who cares. W…
/r/MensRights11/06/22 04:24 PM
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Or maybe they just got a little self-respect after being only a few generations after having some of the same rights as men. See, this right here is a shining example of the attitude that causes so much bitterness, hatred and chaos between the genders. The behavior the person you replied to was talking about was not in any way "self-respect". It was anti-social and likely to drive away a potential partner and generally embitter those who interact with a person acting like that. But to you, it's …
/r/MensRights11/06/22 02:19 PM
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I’ve “lightly” been called a misogynist, though not outright; the woman doing it tiptoed around actually calling me one and said I hold “misogynistic ideas”. The weirdest thing was what triggered the response—I put forth the idea that if women want men to be “allies” to their causes, to police other men, and to do all of these things demanded of us, then it would be nice to have some reciprocity on a larger scale than the current paradigm. Where the weird part comes in is that I was told this wa…
/r/MensRights10/06/22 02:45 PM
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I’m not talking about the parental alienation that can occur during divorce and the resulting custody battles (but I can see how you would think that I was). What I’m talking about is the feminists doctrine of men as an “oppressor class” and how that has corrupted the relationship between parents and their children. More specifically how it has led parents (often mothers but fathers are not exempt either, as I will explain) to inflict resentment, neglect and outright hateful treatment on their s…
/r/MensRights09/06/22 01:02 PM
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One side actively turns parents against their children. And that’s only one of the things that makes them ever so much worse.
/r/MensRights09/06/22 12:04 AM
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I think it is rooted in several factors. One of them is fear—women’s advocates (who can be male or female) fear that if men are looked at as a group suffering from societal problems, then that will take away from the attention lavished on women’s issues. What follows is a mutated slippery slope fallacy—if women lose access to all of the attention (or the derogatorily named “victim points”) then they will lose the progress they have made and wind up oppressed again. ”Today they’ll make a White Ho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/22 11:02 AM
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TLDR: We’re living inside the self-loathing mind of a “person” who has started to contemplate how terrible they’ve been and is acting out as they come to terms with it. *** More detailed explanation***: So I want to first make it clear that I am not defending the current paradigm of cursing men and boys with some twisted societal “original sin”. I abjectly despise anyone who does it, whether they are an individual or an institution and believe that they deserve the very worst life had to offer. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/22 04:58 PM
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Yes I definitely agree with you on that. I don't really see the men/women dynamic as oppression the way that we speak of the word when referring to how various people have been treated throughout history based on their race, religion, political alignment, and even their monetary status. Instead I think of the male/female relationship throughout the various cultures and nations of the world as a constantly evolving relationship that began when we were little more than one more species of animal. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/22 02:29 PM
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could this type of fear response be applied to white nationalist? They fear that minority groups will overtake (in raw numbers) and oppress them. Would you apply this same analysis to them? Why or why not? That's actually a pretty interesting question. I don't feel like I have a lot of qualifications on this topic, so I'll just be clear that this answer is my own perspective, from just my own beliefs and thoughts. I think the answer is both yes and no at the same time. Both groups fear a kind of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/22 12:47 AM
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these nut jobs are so afraid of having their oppression privilege damaged that they are willing to say and do anything. Even defending a whack job like Amber Heard. I want to make it very clear that I am in no way defending these people, first of all. But I do feel that it's important to understand them rather than just dismiss them in disgust---it is well-deserved, but it prevents us from having a deeper understanding of how they think, which in turn prevents us from successfully countering the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/22 02:27 PM
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The thing is that I’ve always found TwoX a thousand times worse than FDS. I just can’t take the latter seriously; they come across as bratty immature caricatures. The whole thing felt like women gathering together to replicate the worst parts of the Red Pill and MGTOW to prove some kind of point, and then forgetting that it was a stunt and falling for their own rhetoric. They were just so over the top and silly that I couldn’t even get offended, it was just pathetic, similarly to how I see the R…
/r/MensRights25/05/22 11:49 PM
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Oh I see. I don’t bother with TwoX for a number of reasons (one of which is that I think it represents the absolute worst face of women, far more than FDS ever could, and reading through it will push you towards becoming an actual misogynist). So I rarely see the craziness that comes from it. I only know about the “declaration of war” thing since it was mentioned on another sub. Thanks for answering my question.
/r/MensRights25/05/22 04:49 PM
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Wait who said that? Was it in that TwoX post declaring war on libertarian/right wing men?
/r/MensRights25/05/22 04:32 PM
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I see you replied to me twice so I'm just going to reply to this one to answer both responses. maybe she was extremely shy, or maybe she smiled after saying “oh, okay” which is basically equivalent to a thank you. you’re acting like you were there I actually agreed with you and said the OP was making far too big a deal over this, so I don't really know what else to say. I disagreed with your use of the "You aren't owed a thank you" because I think that mindset promotes rude and generally and ant…
/r/MensRights23/05/22 11:50 PM
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it’s not required of anyone at all to thank you for doing the bare minimum. am i wrong? You are very wrong, actually. TLDR: OP wasn't owed a thank you, but it was clearly rude of the person he talked to. He is wrong for his overreaction, and you are wrong for perpetuating the "You aren't owed..." trend which either makes a mockery of basic decency or is used as a way to loudly justify parasitizing male help. More detailed explanation: I agree with you that the level of outrage from the OP is ove…
/r/MensRights23/05/22 09:14 PM
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What exactly would “empathy” look like in this case? It feels a lot like you’re fishing for/attempting to incite support for Amber Heard, which honestly won’t be well received here, and for good reason.
/r/MensRights23/05/22 05:29 PM
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It’s weird that this post comes up when I was just thinking about this earlier today. I used to think in a similar manner to the OP; I believed that men and women are natural allies, we are the two halves of humanity after all. Our natural state is to work together and any direction that leads to the subjugation of one side or conflict between us is not just anti social, it is disastrous and anti human. I still think that way, but I believe that an overall paradigm of men and women looking at on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/22 12:56 PM
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There are multiple problems. The first is that right wing beliefs are obviously not limited to gender roles/dynamics alone. A host of other social, financial and political ideologies are pretty right wing, and a great number of them are harmful for a lot of people. Many of them promote outright hatred that can be far more immediately dangerous than the subtle, "polite cruelty" that the left-wing can dish out. If right wingers are the only ones who seem to look out for men's interests, then it st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/22 11:10 AM
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Yet I'm sure you imagine yourself entitled to having certain kindnesses performed for you. Funny how that works.
/r/MensRights23/05/22 10:44 AM
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I always see the insightful and conversation-raising posts either during or just before work :P. I think these constant reminders and attempts to either crush or control male bonding and solidarity can be broken down into distinct causes. The first is a generalized sort of terror and paranoia. I think that groups of people who have been oppressed and hard-done-by in the past have a kind of collective paranoia. A fear that unless they are constantly careful and vigilant, the "bad old days" will r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/22 10:44 AM
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...disaffected men already seek out tribalist movements anyway, they flock to Ethno-Nationalist ideologies that promise insecure Men dignity&glory. Whereas, Wokes tell Men that Masculinity is Toxic, Men are oppressors... Something I find hilarious and ironic about this setup is that if you let them, the "wokies" will wax poetic about the "alt-right pipeline". The idea that questioning feminism/intersectionality is bad in itself because that is a "gateway drug" that will lead to full-blown sexism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/22 12:16 AM
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I definitely agree with your points (I've made comments before about the rigid dogma and groupthink enforced by feminists and feminist-adjacent organizations and how they "punish" those who stray from the approved message). With that said... for all the issues that tribalism and "gender nationalism" cause the people who engage in it, I personally feel the benefits outweigh the costs. I would rather men have to contend with those issues a thousand times over than the current paradigm in which we …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/22 12:05 AM
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I always feel like I’m flirting with being banned or at least cautioned when I say things like this, but here goes... The reason we as men should help and look out for other men based on our sex alone is because it works. The Sisterhood model—or what I call “gender nationalism”—has helped women in a myriad of different ways and hugely uplifted them as a whole. That sense of shared identity due to gender has allowed them to bridge otherwise insurmountable differences, including racial hatred/anim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/22 01:11 PM
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Complete disregard or even antipathy for other men unless they share some feature in common. This is something I’ve noticed about us as a gender that is both depressing and fascinating at the same time and I’m 99% sure it is rooted in our animal instincts. Most men seem to have an aversion to grouping together and helping each other based on sex. It isn’t just something we don’t think of, men will actually show disinterest, disgust and even outright anger at the idea of a group dedicated to help…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/22 03:54 PM
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Admittedly I am rather culturally far leftist though, so I have no real qualms taking extreme measures to radically remake society in order to achieve happiness and social harmony. Well, the problem with this particular issue is that you can only solve this via forcibly conditioning men to like women less or women to expand their tastes to a wider pool of men or just like men more in general. "Radically remaking society to achieve happiness and harmony" isn't a blanketly good goal; it's highly s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 09:31 PM
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No, what I'm trying to say is that once you realize that this particular issue can only be solved by the most unethical means (and perhaps not even then) you realize that it's better to start focusing on mitigating the "mini-problems" caused by it rather than try to put an end to the larger issue. You can stop fretting about your inability to solve it, because you never had a chance. Here's an example---let's say a person has an unsightly tumor on their leg that they want removed. A surgeon exam…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 08:35 PM
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Supposing this is in fact natural, I don’t see how that would remotely make it good (it would be an appeal to nature fallacy if the justification for it being good is merely that it is natural) I think I mean that because it is something that is so intrinsic to how we operate and behave, that it is natural. And because it is so deeply embedded in us as a species, there is nothing that can be done about it, which takes it off the table when it comes to problems that need to be addressed. The resu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 08:26 PM
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This is such an interesting take. First of all, thank you. This is just something I've thought of for years based off having conversations about deer and why they act in certain ways. Heck, I never even thought I'd say my thoughts on this to another person let alone on a thread about men's issues lol. Anyway, onto your questions. What do you think about women marry/couple, but don't have kids? Does this theory still hold up? I think the reason that women marry and don't have children is where th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 08:06 PM
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I definitely believe women don’t “want” men in the same way men want women, but I’m perfectly fine with that; I see it as natural. I’ve always lived in suburban areas with large populations of deer, and something you learn to prepare for is their mating season in which male deer will engage in a relentless chase of female deer. Female deer seem to be far less interested and will actually flee from the males, putting just as much effort and force into getting away from them as the males do in cat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 07:38 PM
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The problem with your example is that this part of it: A man is raped/abused/etc. You go to the world for support, the same way that female rape victim would. And you would be met by the same embittered, chilly response of apathy. has been the norm for a very long time, from both men and women alike. More to the point, I actually agreed with you at one point. I believed the whole idea that men and women are the two halves of humanity, and without each of us acting to lift one another up, we cann…
/r/MensRights10/05/22 02:21 AM
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Because the “just be decent and do the ‘right thing’” attitude is basically how you open yourself up to a parasitic relationship in which Side B fights and advocates for Side A along with its own issues but Side A does not return the favor in the slightest—in fact Side A constantly heaps abuse upon Side B and demands more and more to be done. Side A has no incentive to reciprocate Side B’s efforts since Side B will always fight for them, chained to this dynamic by principles and a desire to “do …
/r/MensRights10/05/22 01:53 AM
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It’s not like DV charities were all about recognizing male victims pre-MeToo Oh I’m definitely aware of that unfortunate reality. I hope I didn’t sound like I was downplaying it or somehow brushing off the deplorable state of affairs for male victims of DV before MeToo. What I was saying is that while male victims were met with indifference and even ridicule prior to MeToo, things got exponentially worse during that time. The idea of male victims was met with actual hostility and real malice rat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 05:47 PM
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Depp has already won in the court of public opinion which IMO is more important Yes I agree with this 100%. I don’t believe that it should be that way but that’s an “is/ought problem” and I lecture people about those so I need to follow my own advice. What I think a lot of people don’t understand when pondering the original massive public support for Amber Heard is that the debacle between these two occurred during the righteous fervor of the MeToo movement. Large amounts of abuses against women…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 03:06 PM
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Well, I have no idea about that. All I did was give my rationalization of my personal take on these current issues in response to your answer. I don't believe you should have been blocked even though I deeply (understatement) disagree with your opinions. Blocking others or otherwise ejecting them doesn't win a debate or convert the other side and just shows cowardice on the part of the ejector. It's certainly fine to walk away figuratively, but outright ejection doesn't often solve problems.
/r/MensRights08/05/22 02:39 PM
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Nope, you either just stfu about it all together or you know.. you do what is objectively correct and support it, however meaninglessly. If you say "i'll only vote for this if I get what I want" then you're a piece of shit Personally I happen to be pro-choice, when I bother to think of this issue at all. As for what my stance on current events "shows" about me... What I shows is that I (and other men who say this) are not in the business of offering free "allyship" anymore with nothing but indif…
/r/MensRights08/05/22 11:21 AM
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Nah you don't get to tell half the population you'll only fight for what is objectively correct if you get yours too. As a matter of fact we do get to do just that---in fact I can't think of a better time to negotiate terms. Because it's the only way "half the population" would be willing to actually help us out is when they realize how desperately they need help with a pressing existential issue. You seem to believe that we should be good boys and "wait our turn" to ask for help with our issues…
/r/MensRights08/05/22 04:39 AM
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Which raises the of what such an apology would look like, or who could speak for such a large and defuse movement That is a good point and I wonder what you (and I suppose anyone else who reads this) thinks of it. I don’t want or expect some kind of “formal apology” from feminism. Like you said, it’s a vast and decentralized movement. One gender studies professor could literally fall to their knees and apologize to men everywhere and another prominent figure can write an article detailing new th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 09:22 PM
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Oh. Well you seemed like the “blackmail” point was only the introduction to a larger argument you were trying to make so I followed with a rebuttal. My mistake I suppose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 06:13 PM
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I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. I still see it as a cause and effect—they treat men badly, men stop helping them. They demand/ask/beg for the return of that help but men demand concessions in return. I fail to see the problem with any of that. Either way, blackmail or not, you did not mention or respond to a single other point I made. Regardless of whether we’re debating the semantics of this hypothetical situation, the bigger point is that it never should have come to this. Not wan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 04:39 PM
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It is what it is. However I don’t see it as blackmail but simply the reality that actions have consequences. You (not you personally but the overarching you) cannot insult and castigate a group of people and then demand that they support your causes and efforts. The importance of those efforts mean nothing when you’ve continuously been so horrible. The fact that you get further in life being kind and polite rather than bitter and hateful is something that has been known for thousands of years, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 04:14 PM
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Even so, we will be asked to support women’s rights without reciprocity. This could get ugly. Forgive me if I’m overstepping certain bounds (I’m serious; just say the word and I’ll delete the post and won’t bring it up again). But perhaps the solution is to just...not support them until certain conditions are met and concessions made. I’m not in any way advocating for us to turn around and fight against women’s rights—that would be both morally wrong and a slap in the face to the women sympathet…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 01:41 PM
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I think it will have a detrimental effect, full stop. Lack of abortion rights means men who accidentally impregnate that one night stand or who have made a decision with their partner to abstain from procreation will now find themselves in an inescapable trap. Not that we had much in terms if reproductive rights in the first place, but at the least the man could “lean” on the woman in this situation by hoping she would go through with a termination Finally it worsens an already difficult relatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 11:01 AM
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I said this on another subreddit today, but I feel like western society is engaged in a bumbling idiot’s attempt at a “redemption arc”. Like suddenly we started to acknowledge all the skulls that were used as stepping stones to climb to the prosperity and general peace that we enjoy today. Now that it’s been acknowledged, there has been a scramble to address those wrongs. That’s a good thing on its face, but there may have been a way to do that without feeding an endless cycle of hatred that wil…
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:16 PM
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