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I guess in this case it may help the couple if it fills a lust gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:19 PM
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Exactly. Sex only is the last option. Most men would rather want love and sex and fidelity... porn stars just give one of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:18 PM
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Yet that is not guarantee he will get laid anyway. Porn does not judge you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:17 PM
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I don't think therapy works for most men. Men do better if they work with other men to build something, or as a team. Therapy is just talking, it works, but mostly for women. In a sense, therapy for women is more costly that therapy for men, because society does benefit from men doing stuff together and you don't need an expert. Sadly, men doing that is often considered toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:44 PM
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Yes, it kills the drive for almost all men to sexually/romantically pursue women. Well, for many (like half) men they cannot get that at all anyway, so better rely on porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:42 PM
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I'm sure plenty of men would choose an average woman over a hot porn woman, though. Men have other priorities when they date, like making a family and fidelity, that is not found in porn stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:41 PM
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Don't worry, porn does not change your height or genetics. Women date and fuck sexual perverts all the time, and in fact those are the men they choose to fuck now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:40 PM
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For most of history, a few men hoarding all women and having all sex was related to revolutions and wars. Wars either made the game more fair for most men, or killed those excess men. Today, it is a little different today. Top men hoard women but don't have to maintain them. They can get rid of them as trash as they get old, which was not the case in harems in the past. Thanks to birth control and government, children are not a reason to marry or care for elder women anymore. Average men are get…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:38 PM
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You are just using shame tactics women use, though they make no sense logically speaking. Statistically, most men would be losers if they were losers for watching porn. Of course, women will always consider most men losers anyway, but if you have a job, a roof and you don't have debt, you are already a winner in this society. I always watched porn since I was like 12, and I never had any problems being socially awkward. I mean, my social life could be better, but I can talk to people and chill. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:30 PM
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Well, some of them literally have nothing to lose. Porn is a net win compared to zero. If they are happy with that, Who are we to say they would be better if they tried? I have no idea if they could ever get sex with some frequency. Meanwhile, Porn is always there, giving consolation, satisfying the darkest and wildest fantasies. Certainly, closer to a blessing than a curse. If it was nature that gave those unsatisfiable desires in the first place to torment men, then FUCK nature, using porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:25 PM
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Porn and constant male self pleasure is holding you all back. Well, some men are not getting any sex in the first place and they have tried memes such as no fap, so they don't have anything to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:22 PM
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The problem is that under less than ideal conditions, it is far, far worse. Agreed. The downsides and prices of sex that women put quickly make porn and masturbation a realistic and logical alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:17 PM
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Exactly. I think this is what women will never understand, as they see sex and love as exactly the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:17 PM
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What is winning for you? Why you ask me? I'm talking generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:15 PM
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It's fundamentally different experiences though and most men understand that. Agreed they are different experiences. Disagree that one cannot replace the other, though. Even stuff like video games can take time from building relationships and compete with them for time. Like what? Well, paying for a dinner for a date that may or may not end in sex is like 3x most costly than subscribing to multiple porn sites for a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:36 PM
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Very sad that porn cannot be 100% as satisfying as sex, but I guess tech will fix that with some form of simulation or neural stimulation soon or later, and women will finally we sxually obsolete for good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:34 PM
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Severe porn addiction According to experts, that is not a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:27 PM
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Good point, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:25 PM
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I've only known one guy who thought that porn/wanking was an adequate substitute for sex, he changed his tune immediately when he got a girlfriend. It makes sense if sex is superior if they can get it, but if so many guys never had sex or only get sex like once a year, I guess that also affects their judgement. It makes sense for them to see porn as superior because the availability and diversity it provides, it is also free compared to women who always ask something in exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:24 PM
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Yeah, it makes perfect sense and I honestly think porn is what is keeping this society running at this point. Otherwise, if men got zero sexual satisfaction (with porn or sex), they would rather tear society down as they used to do in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:22 PM
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So how exactly are women having sex all the time with Chads while 90% of men go home and jerk off in their own tears? I guess women often share those men and wait for their turn to be fucked. Women can easily wait for sex way more time than men. Not ideal for a future with a family life, but I don't think they think about the consequences more than those men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:21 PM
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Married men still watch porn, though. The age range of men who are most likely to be married (30s and 40s) also watch the most porn. I don't think this contradicts what you said, but clearly having a wife and family does not stop men from watching porn, and probably it does not affect their relationships either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:18 PM
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The question is if porn didn’t exist, what percentage of the guys who stay home and jerk off would run to the clubs or bars trying to get laid? Yeah, that is important to know. I guess it also affects the economy of those bars and clubs that there are no loser men spending money on alcohol for women, trying to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:13 PM
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Connection Overrated, tho
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:11 PM
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I get your point. Women's attraction was usually more diverse, by personality and manners, etc. but now it is just physical because that is the limitation of images on a device. However, I have to add that a lot of women don't join OLD, and those who do often get disenchanted fast, and they keep having real life options. Men only keep trying OLD because they have almost no other options. The disadvantage for most men is that they get less sex than ever. The disadvantage for women is that they wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:10 PM
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Porn and masturbation can easily compete with sex if you account for the effort and humiliation to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:56 PM
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Me and my friends will go to a bar and approach dozens of girls. I think it is easier when you have friends support. Remember that about 1/3 of men don't have friends, and after school and college it is almost impossible to make it. Maybe not being able to get women is just one aspect of something way bigger.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:31 PM
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I guess, but it sucks some people don't even have to try and yet others barely get out of that hole ever. It is so fucked up, so much in this universe feels so fundamentally unfair and evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:05 PM
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To take such an extreme worldview, focuses only the negatives. Whilst ignoring the positives. It is called neuroticism, and sadly it is one of those personality traits that cannot be changed, even with drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:49 PM
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...and you really believe that reality is evil and the world was created by a monster then maybe you're the psychopath. I psychopaths would actually find this world as heaven.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:42 PM
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I look at posts like this and I wonder, “doesn’t this person have a job?” Because every job I have ever had, had women. And because we worked together, we shared experiences and stress, and creepy bosses, and psycho customers and all that fun stuff. I do, but I talk about men in general I have empathy for. I also had those experiences with women at work, but it is always very professional because anything else is banned and can cost your job.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:40 PM
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We've been evolutionarily designed to be the most brutal and violent organisms on the planet. Why wouldn't bullies be desired by society? Good point. Only advantage of not being violent is not being too violent that you affect the tribe, but still have violence in you. Humans are an evil species, so why wouldn't evil men be the most desired? Why wouldn't nice men be stomped on at the bottom of society? Which is why I'm kinda ok with dying alone. If being liked by others means becoming a bully, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:39 PM
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I agree, I would never let myself fall in that situation, but plenty of guys sadly were educated to see women as angels they have to protect and MAYBE they will get interest in them. I blame moms in this. They made their sons delusional and probably single forever. Pure evil under motherly love.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:26 PM
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We cannot opt out taxes, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:18 PM
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Agreed, but nice guys often end up "accepted" as friends. They don't suffer humiliation short term but slowly over years as they are emotional comfort for a girl fucking literal criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:18 PM
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That TLDR is some powerful Nice Guy energy. Nah, nice guys are friendzoned forever. They don't even reach that stage of asking women out for anything. But rejection can be the impetus to improve, learn or recalibrate. If rejection didn’t hurt, everyone would just spam terrible approaches at each other till someone caved. That sounds fucking dire to me. A lot of women use rejection as an ego boost to feel better than others, tho. They don't really just reject but also try to put you in place and …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:11 PM
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You can change it to getting friends - you have to approach people and they have to be interested enough to keep hanging out with you. Glad you bring it too... sometimes starting as friends and then escalating it to romantic interest is seen as manipulative, but also cold approaches are seen as too intrusive. There is no way to win, and if you observe carefully, only men who win are those who are very attractive. Therefore, it is a humiliation ritual for most men and it increasingly is not worth…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:08 PM
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Sure, if you see women as a product.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:06 PM
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* be tall, be handsome, be funny
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:05 PM
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I would certainly give up as a man, but a lot of social recognition and life experiences are tied to other people. No wonder Christian Gnostics believed this world was made by a monster. It makes perfect sense, this reality feels so fundamentally and unnecessary evil, no wonder why so many men snap.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:03 PM
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I don't agree comparing dating to jobs because jobs are intended to be a transaction. Sure, there is some transaction in relationship, but it is mostly about finding a special person. I believe it is humiliating because it can be disappointing, but on top of that women often make the experience even worse (calling it creep, looking as if the guy somehow violated them, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:00 PM
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So talking to people at appropriate places is a humiliation ritual? Considering what and when is "appropriate" depends on endless variables and IFs, and only one part suffers the process, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:59 PM
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To the average guy who never attends a venue regularly it looks random. But it's really not random. I think it has a lot to do with friends you have to go there. If you go there alone, you look like a loser. I know because I have been in that place. No, you will not get any chick that way. So, as always, society is made to reward the winners and fuck even more the already losers, and by age and time it gets even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:54 PM
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Often the are way better than women in their looks level. They are just not as hot, but they are more useful and achieving than women their level.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:48 PM
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Agreed, but in a sense it cancels out so it is just the good ol' transactional relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:47 PM
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In real life though, 99.99999% of people of all genders and all sexual orientations are glued to their phones and don’t approach me in the wild anymore I think this is a good thing. Approaching is inherently humilliating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:31 PM
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Nah, if that was the case men would act more like women, but they aren't... well, maybe transexuals, but not men. It is more resentment rather than "I hope I was a woman" which is closer to jealously.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:28 PM
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Men are resentful because women are extremely selective and it's largely based on things they cant do anything about. You are right, but what pisses me off is that society often sees women as victims and gullible and somehow other men have to pay for their bad decisions and their bastards, somehow government agencies have to exist to protect women for the violent men THEY choose again and again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:27 PM
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instead of being cruel and superficial, you can just be kind and go into relationships with the best intentions. kindness and humanity is free and it will make you happier in the end I get your point, but it will probably not work. We now live in a prisoners dilemma. We cannot risk be good without risking being a victim and being abused. No wonder why fewer people want to take risks such as marriage and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:00 PM
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A man who can't get casual sex or who isn't in "top 20%" isn't equivalent to a cancer patient or a disabled person. My point is that in both cases it is just circumstances, and people are not required to date or stay dating you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:53 PM
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Not all women can be beautiful. I was making a mathematical argument. See this on other issue: All men could be over 6 feet in theory. But not all men can be 20% tallest, even in an ideal theorical environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:50 PM
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Why would a man that is 10x more sexually valuable than you, stay with you if you become even less valuable? It makes no sense unless they were more or less equals. Women choose the same top guys, so obviously they are less valuable in this arrangement, and the guy has more sexual choosing power. He just needs a reason to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:46 PM
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If I had a serious illness I wouldn't be guilting or shaming my partner into sticking around out of some misplaced sense of duty or obligation. Yes. I would probably do the same. It is not a load anyone shall be forced or feel obligated to carry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:44 PM
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You do have a point. Dehumanizing is such a strong word that just loads unnecessary drama. I should not have used it. In both cases, it is just someone not finding you worth of dating, be before dating, or during it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:39 PM
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Good point. Freedom goes both ways... people kind of already recognize this on free speech, that people will also say stuff they don't like. Yet, they don't recognize this from other freedoms, like no fault marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:37 PM
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I'm talking in general terms. Women, for example, are more likely to end up with anti-depressant pills at old age, while older men (single or not) usually keep a consistent level of happiness and accept reality. Karens also prove how mad women get when they lose their pretty privilege. In a sense an old incel has not lost anything, nor has anything to lose. Women often have everything and lose most of it by just getting old. It all depends on the individual, but I would say the later is more tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:35 PM
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sometimes i feel like not many in my generation will be able to experience such a profound love and caring. everyone is so out for themselves and what will make them feel good in the moment. Agreed, but this is the path society has chosen with feminism and by rejecting marriage as valid and desirable. Maybe it is better to enjoy the best of it this moment, even if cruel and temporal, rather than no live at all lamenting what we never had.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:33 PM
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Not dating or fucking certain men isn’t “dehumanizing” them lmao Well, leaving your sick wife is not dehumanizing her either, is just "not choosing her anymore".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:31 PM
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Men who leave their cancer stricken spouses are Chads Chads are the ones that fucked so many women that leaving one of them is not a big deal. Why would it be if they always had options? So yes, chads are more likely to be sociopaths. No wonder women love erotic tales with such characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:30 PM
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Addressing your post - I'm sorry, but if you can't get casual sex and you aren't "top 20%", it doesn't mean you're equivalent of a cancer patient. I'm not even being personal and this does not reflect my experience. If you don't have any arguments, you don't have to imagine strawman. Ego is such a bitch, you just need a messenger to kill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:29 PM
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Not sure how all of this is so gynocentric. It was pushed by feminism. Feminism also discouraged marriage, which in a sense is worse for women who get sick because at least if they have a partner, the partner may stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:24 PM
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We live in a no fault divorce society. A man doesn't need a reason to leave a woman, let alone a good one. So men should absolutely be able to think their partner having cancer is irrelevant and simply move on with their lives You get it. Suddenly it is OK for women to leave a man because she is bored, but not a man to leave a woman for a condition that will affect him too if he stays.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:23 PM
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I mean, in both cases, you are making a decision based on your partner's health.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:20 PM
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I'm not saying this a good thing, nor defending it in any way. I'm just explaining how entitled, selfish and picky people end up when they date each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:18 PM
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I agree with your comment but I don't like you put the woman there as a "victim" or something. If she does not want children, it is almost always case over... he can accept it or move on. But if the man does not want children, suddenly it is a drama or "immature guys" or how she "had to trick him because she FELT X or Y" and endless justifications. Women don't have any excuse, tho. They had endless options to choose men, they also choose to wait until they have just a few years of fertility to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:59 PM
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I also find disgusting calling a fetus a "parasite" while perfectly knowing a lot of parents had spontaneous abortions and that was not just as "losing a parasite".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:56 PM
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Men live in scarcity of attention. Women live in abundance of attention. Therefore, women despise attention more than men do. Just as Westerners can afford to get rid of food they don't want, but if you live in a poor village all food is "good". Reagrdless, I would say womenstill need attention more than men, but they already get it by existing so it is not a problem to get it. Karens are women who lost some of attention so they have to make a scandal to keep it. Another Proof of this is how all…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:51 PM
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Is in theory. Men don't usually measure a woman's beauty by comparing her to others, so technically all girls can be beautiful in ideal circumstances. But not all men can be tall, unless they all measure the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:49 PM
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Even if they would rather fuck a 19 year old than someone their own age, that's not who most balanced adult men want to share a life with. Men will fuck whatever they can, with a life or without any. Why would they deny themselves from getting sex from such a young beautiful body?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:14 PM
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I can list dozens of female celebrities who really grew into their features and are much hotter in their 30’s. They may be more interesting as artists as such, but sexually they are long gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:13 PM
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half of you already started balding in your 20s but ofc “women start to rot at 30” lmao Yes, balding sucks, but some men are lucky to avoid that fate. Meanwhile, no woman can really hide her age except with layers and layers of makeup. You can argue which is worse... never having it or having it and then losing it. It never fails to amaze me how it’s perfectly understandable for guys to judge women’s value on their looks/age but somehow women are expected to give all men (including the conventio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 09:06 PM
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AND fuck the aging partner. Not if they can get rid of it. It is just a dead weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:58 PM
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Many if not most high value men commit. Women keep fucking the same hot men that don't commit, so they imagine all men are like that or want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:58 PM
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Exactly. They are damaged and used as cum receivers by a few men, and they assume all men treated them as trash. No sis, you did this to yourself and I'm glad you are paying emotionally for all the pain you caused to men you rejected for pity things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:56 PM
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Porn girls are good for a fap, not to be the mother of your children, present to your family, etc. Their value is only sexual at the cost of any human value they had in the past. Those women that end up killing themselves in their late 30s with pills. It is so common that almost all dead porn starts I check were because drugs or suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:55 PM
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Race is also huge in this, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:51 PM
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Men hide it very well because they know desperation is not attractive. Men also have a more quite desperation than, for example, an emotionally damaged woman late in her 30s with baby fever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:50 PM
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They may consider that if they are pregnant and want you to raise a baby that is probably not yours anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:48 PM
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Women do LIKE gentlemen behavior and being a good guy, but they WILL NOT sleep with a guy if that’s his only positive traits. Yet they sleep with a guy the same night if he is hot enough, which may be the only positive trait of that guy. I'm not judging women, I'm just pointing out how hypocritical they are when they talk about love and stable relationships... they only want that when they cannot get away with fucking those guys. Men may be nasty, but at least they are way more honest on that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:46 PM
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Athletes are good value, if they use that money to make themselves. Most of them end up being losers when their body gets old... just as women's bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:45 PM
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You try to explain older people that today it is a dick feast where just a few men fuck most women and they don't believe you. They cannot calculate it. They probably think it would be so unfair and evil to their beloved son, that they cannot believe that is possible. Universe cannot be that cruel. My only revenge fantasy is that most of those women will never find stable LTR either, they will have to share a guy and he will not be there to raise the kids, who will grow to be incels without any …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:44 PM
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Closest thing women have to height limitation in men is their age. Women after 30 start to rot, so they are increasingly more disgusting to men, yet they are still as demanding and entitled. The only difference is that all women got a chance, while not all men get ever a chance to be tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:32 PM
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Because height is less flexible than attractiveness. A girl can just eat less, dress better, use makeup, etc. Height is also relative. In theory not all men can be tall, but all women can be beautiful. A far comparison would be if guys would date only girls with big tits and not care so much about anything else. Still women can buy bigger tits easier than men change height.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:28 PM
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Men are in competition with the peace and safety women feel being alone. Men are in competition with psychiatric pills women use as vitamins.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:20 PM
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Women are judges not participants I agree with your comment, but also men are judges of women looks at the end. Not all men, only few of them, but that is enough for women to be very harsh on each other in some situations. It works both ways. There cannot be a buyer without a seller.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:19 PM
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Well, those womens are the ones used for sex with the few men that do have options. That is their chose. Too bad they need to pull the state and taxpayers to pay for their shitty traumas and decisions, but hey, it is their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:18 PM
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You can't project men's online dating struggles onto women. Women are not "suffering" from not getting enough matches; they're in fact dealing with the opposite problem. Women complain they cannot filter relationship material from the small percent of men they choose by just lust only (which is on the 1000s). So I would not say the problem is lack of options or too many options, but the lack of ways to filter men they want. They want an equal, but a man with endless options for women will not ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:16 PM
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Women have more options than they can possibly explore. Even with a height filter, they have plenty of options. True, but you forget those guys have way more options, so they don't have a huge incentive to join what women usually want (relationships, love, commitment, pay them fancy stuff to satisfy their classism, etc.) At best they both get good sex, at worse she feels used and betrayed by "men", which only means like 2% of them, which honestly happens and I don't care if traumatized their own…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:12 PM
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Dealing with a woman who's significantly less intelligent tends to lead to boredom and frustration. Well, if she compensates it sexually, I don't see the problem. I would find way more boring a holier-than-thou pedantic bossy woman, but hey, those are just my preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:01 PM
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You are underrating how unconscious women are about this. Same as men are not always conscious they work and make money to be more attractive to women. Sure, some men or women may have other motivations, but in general, it all ends in reproduction. How do we know this? Because our line of existence extends to the very origin of life, which is to grow, eat, reproduce. Therefore, all we do is fundamentally rooted in that desire up to this point. We also have secondary needs. For example, I may lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:59 PM
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When people way that the man works but she does not, in the west, it usually means she is not earning money in a corporation or business, but that does not mean she is not working. Traditional women work as much as western women in a corporation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:21 PM
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My husband and I personally like the finer things. Good for you, sadly finer things often means less time with your family and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:16 PM
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As long as it is voluntary and there is no promise of commitment, I don't see the problem. Plenty of poor women get benefits from fucking richer men even during the short period they were dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:15 PM
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That is a risk some men and women want to take. After all, women already take the same risk by choosing the few men all other women want too. So they take that risk anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:09 PM
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It is still perfectly possible in a lot of places of USA, and still the standard in most of the world. Don't you find it odd that with all this automation, the future was supposed to be less work for same money? Now in some cities it is both partners required to work just to exist, and some people celebrate it as equality to suck the corporative d*ck.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:05 PM
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I mean, people who are not committing often ignore the economic differences. See women who fuck random men in vacation in Jamaica, or men who fuck poorer women for fun. Maybe you are right and economic issues become more relevant the most commitment there is, but meanwhile if it is not that serious and people need to practice and relate to others, that does not matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:03 PM
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Well, it still works for some people. Even progressive women still expect some traditional roles from men (such as them making more money), which is the hypocrisy of the hypocrisy, but that is another issue. The best irony of AI is that it is threatening more the "new" and "smart" jobs than the traditional jobs that require actual care, strength, etc. such as most traditional jobs. Tradition is not of the past or obsolete, tradition is just choosing jobs and preferences closer to our human natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:01 PM
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Or maybe some smart people love a dumb person because that person provides care, love, fertility, sex, etc. and that is perfectly fine too. Intelligence makes sense in a more professional and corporative sense, but honestly it seems machines are taking smart jobs faster than physically demanding jobs, putting in question how relevant intelligence is at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:53 PM
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Women need to contribute financially to a relationship and if you don't think so you live a very sheltered existence. Women and men need to suck corporative d\ck because I suck it too, and if you don't do it you are dumb.* I disagree. Women who get a man that earns a lot of money, can keep him happy and don't have to make any money themselves, are actually very smart in their own way. Some people appreciate intelligence in a partner, some don't. Some people put stuff such as love, company, care,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:49 PM
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Well, some women choose to be prize wives or depend on a man, being them dumb, and that is OK too. Almost never a woman want to marry a dumb man, but sometimes they do if it happens he earns good money for some reason such as nepotism. Needless to say, it is so weird the fetishization of work culture and money on issues such as love, family and care. As if you have to add your company and the boss to your marital room, and if you don't do too you are saying my decision to suck corporative d\ck i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:47 PM
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That is good and glad it is working for you both, just saying that it is not very good to despise traditional couples for choosing only one partner to make all the money. After all, this view of everyone having to work is rather a benefit for companies and capitalism rather than healthy available families.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:44 PM
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That is very dehumanizing. Dumb people deserve love and care as any other, and we all are dumb for many different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:41 PM
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Good point. Yes, women care more about attraction and personality and looks way more than they admit. They do care a lot more about money than men, though, so maybe they believe intelligence means money for some men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:40 PM
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Yes, at some point if a man has option he will pick women at his level, but some men don't have such options, and that is good too if their only criteria is physical and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:39 PM
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I guess a lot of poorer women are an entry point or for practice, just for fun and sex. Nothing of that is wrong if both enjoy without commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:37 PM
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It depends on the region and country. In USA, I would say you are right on most cities, but on smaller cities it is still possible and common to have one breadwinner. I don't think there is anything wrong with the traditional arrangement, though, as long as it is voluntary and both parts get benefit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:36 PM
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Men should probably care a little more about women’s intelligence. Do you really want a dumb dumb raising your children? If you claim men already marry in their own socioeconomic environment, then men ar marrying in similar intelligence or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:23 PM
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It depends what you mean with contributing equally: Progressive school: Woman and man contributing more or less equal income, work, labor, etc. Traditional school: Woman contributing the equivalent of the man, but each in their own way. E.g. One part working and other caring for children and cooking, etc. Something in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:16 PM
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WTF
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:12 PM
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Agreed, but I'm talking in terms of gender and individual independence that can be individually done. For example, anyone can change their car oil if they follow instructions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:09 PM
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A lot of mechanics rip people off, though. For instance, anyone can change the car's cabin air filter but they don't. The can easily save over $40 dollars.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:07 PM
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I think being polyamorous is closer to a gender identity than to any malleable preference, though. I think most men that are comfortable with it are usually heavy porn users, which is not a judgement, it is what I notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:06 PM
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Women can work and pay for everything themselves. I never say they couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:09 PM
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We also have to consider also internal migration. A lot of latinos are moving from NY and California to Texas and Florida, usually for lower taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:01 PM
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Yeah, it is a worldwide issue, but I think a few countries can still revert it, or some parallel independent societies in countries, such as the Amish and Mormons in America. Still the fall of population and decay of infrastructure and progress will likely be massive in less than a century. I don't see a lot of what we have is sustainable without a good working and hopeful younger population.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:58 PM
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I think women today share men more than ever, and those few men have control because they get all sexual benefit and women get little to not privilege of exclusivity or financial assistance. Women need men as much as ever, even more so to keep civilization running, but I agree they don't need to commit to them and honestly men want commitment even less because it is a liability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:56 PM
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What people fail to understand is that women are rather end up alone and with 10 cats instead of a guy they don't find attractive. I would say women are more likely to choose that, but also women are more likely to ask for commitment from men and want marriage more than men. In this aspect, women seems to focus on the extremes (men too, but they have other extremes). when in reality those are actually pretty awesome fates especially since women aren't reliant on men anymore. I know a few of thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:53 PM
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I never said women rights were a bad thing, but they basically sterilize the society that has those rights, so by natural selection the most "regressive" societies evolutionary speaking are "progressive". Nature don't fit our values.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:49 PM
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less women seek casual sex than men Women don't need to seek casual sex, casual sex seeks them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:20 PM
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Marriage is not and never will be logical Maybe, but it had very logical benefits for long. Strong family bonds, stable environment for raising children, pooling resources and establishing inheritance better, etc. So no, maybe it was not totally logical, but it made sense and had some actual benefits. What benefits does it has today? Maybe social and maybe emotional, but most of those benefits are now not dependent on marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:18 PM
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You are right, and I think this is the reason why often polygamy is heavily limited or hard to achieve, even when legal. But probably the West will get a cheaper version of it that will not be ideal for everyone except for maybe top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:11 PM
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At this point I'm finding ways to get private property and be the most independent possible of society and pay the least taxes, rely the least on the state for the good of my family, to eventually move to a more private, sustainable, and independent community if possible. So not trying to stop the collapse, but help my family and myself to overcome it as much as possible. Sadly, I don't think the state will let many people just live happily, they may as well somehow enslave us as the URSS did wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:09 PM
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So true. The ancients knew this and labeled those trends as demons, probably because they observed a primitive instance of this in smaller scale villages, families and cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:02 PM
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Thank you. I think the more we discuss this, the better we can refute anti-natalist memes, not because it is wrong to be anti-natalist, but often they assume that fewer people being born is automatically good... and yet that is not necessarily true. Memes are powerful, and selling this as an idea with no downsides is dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 06:59 PM
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Yeah. I find odd that the mysterious of consciousness is not as discussed as other mysteries of the universe. I think the reason is that people cannot conceive the idea of not being conscious, because that conception requires awareness of it, so it is almost impossible to conceive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 06:57 PM
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Consider also the money that will be printed in a few decades, and less people mean more money in circulation, so even higher inflation. Maybe 100k in that time will be like 25k today. The wealth transfer will probably be from elder people to a few only slightly younger oligarchs that own that nurse of the example, and other industries. It is what is going on today, but way worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:37 PM
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That they dress for each other is true in the same way men work and make wealth to compete with each other... the final end is usually to attract high quality specimens of the other gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:34 PM
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Agreed, I do appreciate life too. I'm just disenchanted by some aspects of it, maybe because my identity is not just personal, but also about society and family, country, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:10 PM
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You are right, boomers lived an economic paradise, but before them they had to work in coal mines or farming, which was very hard, and state help was very limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:56 PM
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Most women cannot relate to this at all. Closest thing are women who were fat and now they are thin and love the new level of attraction and attention. They claim they can live without male attention, but I suspect they can't. Women love stuff such as makeup and dressing special to create attraction from men, even unconsciously. They only cannot relate because male attention is abundant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:55 PM
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I live in a society in which my contribution will be a dead end. So no, I don't think that is OK for me or anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:51 PM
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Rich old -- mostly white -- people are going to have to transfer a lot of their accumulated wealth to younger POC to keep their lifestyles and in the end provide care. You are assuming most old people are rich, a lot of boomers are broke. We will require a lot of state intervention that will cost higher and higher taxes for working people. But boomers will not suffer this as much, but now younger generations will have to suffer the most, with no or few children caring for them, they will rely mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:49 PM
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It is not about the number of people, but the rate of people that can keep society running for retired people, children, etc. Sure you can be anti-human and want exctinction. I hope you live to your values and don't expect other people's humans to keep you alive in your 60s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:41 PM
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I don’t think we need a replacement rate to survive. Not for individuals, but we do need it for populations. It is mathematically impossible for a population to persist without replacement level at some point. Less people means less food production, carbon emissions, and other benefits that come from having less demand for resource. To put it simply, any argument used to agree with Thanos. Ironically you are projecting human agenda in a very anti-human way, which is absurd. Earth has survived wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:40 PM
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We’ll adapt and learn to live with less people You will also have to adapt to 10% of population working for the rest of huge elder population, and the way smaller younger population. Maybe tech will do the miracle? No idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:37 PM
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Yes, but it is increasingly more and more people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:35 PM
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within 100 years western countries will enact laws to promote the nuclear family. ... and it will be too late, and I doubt people will want to have children and pay taxes just to keep a the huge population of old zoomers alive for 10 more years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:35 PM
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Places like Scandinavia, Western Europe, Australia and North America are never going to struggle to find people willing to immigrate. You would be surprised... they struggled to get and keep people for years, that is precisely why they had to create such big welfare states. Alaska have the same issues, but they rather give money for people to stay, or very high paying jobs. A lot of benefits of Scandinavia are compensations for the very harsh climate that so few people tolerate without something…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:34 PM
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Yeah, lack of commitment from men is also a problem, but to be fair everyone is lost by these new social changes and it is hard for people to take the same decisions parents used to take quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:32 PM
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Nah, technically cost of living has adjusted. Our grandpas had to work more for less, and still had way more children, even deep after the pill was invented. There is something else going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:29 PM
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Yes, this is what childfree people often ignore. They always scream society is trying to push them to have children, but so far it is only in the family that pressure exists. Almost everything else wants people to not reproduce. We had like over 200 years of anti-natalist academic tradition that only now is being implemented in mass scale. Maybe organizing society by the ideas and suggestions of openly anti-family and anti-tradition intellectual incels and spinsters from 40 years ago was not a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:27 PM
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I think hispanics quickly catch up with current birth rate they move to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:26 PM
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No one is talking about extinction or shortage of anything. The typical "we already have too many people" ignores the key issue here. Population decline's issues are an elderly population that requires care and taxpayers. If 50% of population is retired and only like 30% of it is working, we have a working population keeping children and elderly alive. It will be hell, and it is just starting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:25 PM
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Naturally this creates the effect that only societies that treat women as property will survive. No, the West will never remove rights of women. The West would rather die off. Another issue is the fact that women choose careers over children, because they expect later they will be able to, but find themselves too old to have children. A lot of these issues are women not knowing this is a risky move, and not their fault they were feed this lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:23 PM
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Yes, sadly. If the idea of gender equality and modernity and humans rights leaves societies childless and full of elder people looking ways to kill themselves, then other societies without those values will take over. At this point I'm convinced that the West bought itself into a collective death cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:20 PM
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Maybe we will all be living in a computer. We don't even know what consciousness is. In fact, in scientific terms it technically does not exist as it cannot be tested on directly and the Subject is personal... maybe only I am aware. Imagine you "transfer" yourself to a computer and everyone has an avatar of you, but in truth you are dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:17 PM
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In a sense it already moved to that paradigm, but legally and socially we are on absolute denial. I also suspect that somehow divorce will be discouraged for those arrangement... I doubt many women will want to be disposed of when they get too old.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:09 PM
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You can find most users in r/ TwoXChromosomes, r/ ForeverAloneWomen and r/ FourthWaveWomen.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:21 PM
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You mean they are able to leave abusive, toxic or incompatible relationships easier and that makes men big mad? Yes, then we are becoming "classist". Nah, it is just money. They don't have any problem fucking white collar criminals, and certainly initiating divorces indicates they still prefer toxic as long as it fills their narcissistic drama supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:20 PM
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yes, because my ideal woman includes a woman that would like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:10 PM
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Yes, it is hell for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:03 PM
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Mathematically speaking you don't need many men or women in this dynamic. Even if just 2% of men and like 20% of women participated in this flesh carnival, that damages the dating market for everyone else. Women trying to find love find the guy is a player, guys only get used up women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:01 PM
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More women are just becoming rich themselves instead. Yeah, and they go after even richer men. Equality does not make women considering more equal opportunities, in fact they become full classist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:58 PM
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With all of y'all talking about how high-value men want harems, It is just simple math. High quality good monogamous men just get out of the market fast, so women have to share an ever small percent of men that try all possibilities and treat women as disposable. Women deal with a lot of shit to get those men and keep dating them, so clearly it is not very exhausting to them, in fact they kind of enjoy it, even when treated as disposable trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:56 PM
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I find the PPD male obsession with harems to be gross I mean, not literally harems, but clearly only a few men are getting almost all benefits of the sex market. A harem is a good analogy. Also, clearly women don't find the idea disgusting if they want those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:54 PM
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Men are more likely to commit suicide. Women use state assisted suicide more, and try suicide more. But yes, at this point it is a game of speculations. I just find it odd that any other illness being like 15% of population would be treated as pandemic or a social issue, but depression is just "well, that is what it is" .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:53 PM
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People love to laugh at men who can't get laid. But they seem to fail to recognize the fact that too many women chasing after the same small number of men means more women being used for casual sex, unable to get a serious relationship, becoming single mothers or childless spinsters, being discarded like expired milk when they reach a certain age, etc. Agreed. I don't think they think of the consequences of this long run, just the desire of the moment and a false hope that kind of guy will stay …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:51 PM
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You're saying that single moms hate the exes they fathered children with and raise involuntarily celibate males who are exactly the same as the men they fathered children with. Wut. I think you did not get my point. Maybe I did not explain it well. It seems you beleive that I believe inceldom is genetic or something? Males without a constant father figure are more likely to have mental issues, and therefore be less attractive, and therefore more likely to be incels Single moms usually have the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:40 PM
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This article mentions nothing about these single women wanting to start families or being picky about partners. The article just describes the numbers. As I said in my last comment, I don't know if those women want a family yet expect the man needs to be richer, of if they honesty don't want a family. I do suspect most of them are in anti-depression pills just as many older women, tho, even being so privileged and wealthy. Maybe keeping depression in check keeps them as valuable assets for the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:35 PM
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Women will shoot for the moon in a harem situation. We're talking celebrities or multimillionaires. If they just want a boyfriend who makes them look cool, that is still relatively easy for a women to find Agree, which is why I disagree with If youre moderately rich and still attractive I think you 'll do fine. Those men will do better than average men, but still will have their woman unsatisfied and feel as a loser compared to women with even higher men. Increasingly more and more women will go…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:25 PM
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There are two interpretations to the data: working women are choosing to not date, or rather they don't have many options because they are picky. There are more single working women than ever, and that’s changing the US economy | wqad.com I honestly don't know the answer, but it is kind of sad if a lot of those women want families but can't because lack of financially attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:23 PM
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A lot do become single mothers. I suppose that serial monogamy could be considered “sharing men”, but I’m not sure that was the idea of the post. Yes, but rarely women choose to be single moms. It reduces their sexual value and options. Other men will see her children as a responsibility, so she loses Chad and also other potential relationships with men that do have options. That is why they hate so much their ex and use even the children against them... they did not keep the high value man. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:17 PM
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Yeah, in a sense it probably always was like this, but there are a few shifts to consider today. In the past common men were basically enslaved to pay for those harems, I don't see that happening. I expect very rich men hoarding many women, but not even most moderately rich men will be able to get many. Today women still want a man only for them to look better than her friends, but now they will have to share. Women who want babies will have less power to convince those men to have children. Chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:14 PM
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Those men used to cause problems, and that is why monogamy was imposed and slavery enforced. Marriage is more lie a facade as kings kept fucking countless women, but that is beside the point. But today men have videogames and drugs, so those men can get even less pussy and still cause no issues for years. The downside of this is that those men are also not contributing. They are not causing problems, but they will not pay taxes either. So it is not as bad as in the past anyway, but I do see a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:10 PM
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Sure, women make their own money and they rather prefer a guy that is way richer than them. They are not dating men who earn the same if they make a living. In fact, it becomes worse because now men are a luxury for top earning women, so they become even pickier. This is common sense... why are top successful working women struggling to find partners more than other women? Because they are picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:07 PM
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not all women want a guy, some prefer to stay single or be with a woman Sure, but I'm sure there are way more women that want a relationship. among those who want a guy, not all want a rich guy, a lot of women make good money themselves or don't value wealth as highly as you do Actually women became pickier having more money. Now men are a luxury, they are not dating men earning less just because they make money. it is very easy to find a taller guy than oneself since men are taller than women o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 08:05 PM
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"Alpha" women are usually top for a few years, while the guy stay attractive for way longer, and if he is rich and tall, for even longer. There are also way more attractive women than attractive men that are also tall, rich, healthy, etc. so top men have a huge advantage here, only thanks to women's criteria. So yes, even her will have to share soon or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:58 PM
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Yes, but they still want the benefits of monogamy, where a guy is exclusive and pulls all resources for her alone. In this aspect, women are hardwired to be selfish too, just as men are hardwired to hoard women (although only a few can pull them). It makes sense as a woman... you want most resources to be yours and your kids', not other women's kids. Women will have to override this selfish nature to share the guy, but they will at least satisfy their hypergamy, so overall they will still win. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:56 PM
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You could say that if you aren't someone making a couple million a year you are a slave to the huge corporate consumerism. Others may claim that by earning that money you are rather contributing to the system that has a lot of power and leverage over you anyway. It is just being a more respectable slave.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:51 PM
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Yes, it is easier for women to stay single, but I also observed many women want to have children and a family, far more than men who often want rather to get laid with some frequency. Women will have to share the man in a home if they truly want a stable family, or rather choose to be single moms. I don't think sexuality is flexible enough for most women to become bisexual, but who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:49 PM
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How lovely, but didn't you just say the real predator is the woman. Not all predation is violence. It can be emotional and sexual manipulation, which is the power women have and they indeed use it against men to pull resources. Am I talking about all women? I'm not. Whatever the fundamental power is reproduction (women) or violence (men) depends on who you ask about. Hard to compare when you only have two sexes that depend on each other since time immemorial. But evidence proves that civilizatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:35 PM
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Easy to say when you are not the one earning it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 01:44 PM
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Men have greater physical power, so it makes sense for some of them to abuse it. On the flip side, the utopia men created for women is what allow them to talk about rights and shit like that. If men did not give women rights, they would be treated as another type of cattle as for most of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 01:42 PM
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Marriage is for women, most men would be completely okay being in a monogamous relationship without marriage. Maybe 80 years ago marriage did give some privileges for men. Today it barely gives some status.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:18 PM
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Marriage made perfect sense... like 50 years ago. Now you get all benefits and love and family without it, but marriage still keeps the responsibilities and obligations, especially for men. So it is a collection of liabilities that only provides some status and sense of stability. Unless you are religious and you believe living is sin is wrong, marriage is obsolete.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:17 PM
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Women are very classist and unapologetic about it. They only care about fairness and distribution, and fat shaming or shit like that, IF it affects them. They don't care about society as a whole as much as men, but only work for their own interest. The answer shall be for men to do the same. Starve the state and the welfare system the most you can. Work, but keep most profit for yourself as possible. Avoid using money to prevent paying taxes, rather exchange labor or favors when you can with oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:15 PM
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Women are very classist and unapologetic about it. They only care about equality and fairness when it is about what affects them. Historically, men have provided a bubble for women, children and the elderly. Today, that bubble is provided by the state, but men are still forced to pay for it and work for it or starve, without any guarantee of anything in exchange from their service. That is why the movement "no p*ssy, no work" is so powerful, and it pissed off boomers so much. I would not go to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:12 PM
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Yes, also if those women are "like children" then they shall not be able to date men their age either, right? Children don't date. Their arguments are so stupid and irrational that only are considered because pussy authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:48 PM
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I’ll be honest I’ve never met a women irl who turned down an attractive man. And not one time have I met a girl who focused on a guy’s personality instead of looks. Yeah, it is very disheartening.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 09:14 PM
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Nice, but pussy is not that addictive and delicious to deserve so much sacrifice. In fact, what is attached to pussy is a liability.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 08:41 PM
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You know that is not true, though. In fact, it seems typical supposedly conspiracist conservative guys are more attractive Women don't really care about what the guy believes as long as women are attracted to him, and even if they disagree, eventually they adopt his ideas. Sometimes they claim the guy fits her "laundry requirement list" which happens to have been written after they met the guy, retroactively. Women say they love good and nice guys while they marry literal bullies and criminals. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 08:39 PM
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The stuff you are referring to is moreso among upper middle class conservative Christians who often go to religious schools or the same university and remain in a tight knit group. It does happen in some working class churches but only if the children voluntarily choose to remain in the same area which they often don’t. Good point, but I think it benefits women to be very selective for relationships, and wait, even if the guy is very attractive. I know some of those women have low self steem and…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 08:34 PM
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Seems like a very arbitrary criterion, though. So, if men have more experience it is predatory, but if women get the most benefits is perfectly fine and expected and not predatory at all? It seems a very convenient definition of predation. Not to mention that men have to do and give way more to even be considered by younger women, so it all evens out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 08:31 PM
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American society has taught people that men are supposed to sort of leave relationships worse than how they started and women are supposed to take a little from each man. This happens when you keep telling a group that they are oppressed and therefore they deserve compensation. The entitlement still exists even after the oppression is lifted. It is a very emotional, irrational response.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 08:12 PM
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I have no doubt that some women were victims of being pumped and dumped and became single moms. However, a lot of women who take this seriously also put some requirement of commitment, or some waiting time, before having unprotected sex... sometimes the requirement is marriage. If the guy is from the same church or community, he is also better by the community and the families. Sure, he may be evil, but it is unlikely to go unnoticed for long if the community is tight and the families appreciate…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 06:41 PM
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Historically men saw value in virgin women either because of religious beliefs, life expectancy or insecurities. It is hard for us to relate to times before the pill, and other anti-conceptive methods, and I understand your concern. Please don't assume I want to be conformational or anything, let me explain. Almost all societies saw value in virginity (especially from women) because we did not have paternity tests or effective birth control, and a trustworthy woman was the safest bet the kids yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 06:33 PM
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(bisexual men are not attractive to women) Wives will never know their husband fucks her brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:51 PM
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Maybe, but I think that eventually the good girls find and keep the good men, while the others fail in long term relationships and family building. Of course, people can change for worse or better, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:49 PM
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Same as old men dating teens... not predatory, but can be risky for her. Same most relationships are risky for men, and in the same context can be considered predatory if we stick to such definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:39 PM
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any man who has any positive relationships with women Appeal to pussy authority fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:18 PM
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Jim Caviezel just got a decent church woman. Women have no idea how much more value being a decent and trustworthy woman adds to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:00 PM
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That is a little reductionist, it is like saying women only want the man's wallet. Sure, you can reduce both men and women to those things, but at the end, those things are fundamental... like the primary colors, not that you only like primary colors, but you need them to create new ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:57 PM
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It is a transaction, there is no victim, but usually the man has more to lose, so I see that as women being predatory to them because they have more options and men have to do more for the relationship to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:47 PM
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Edit: Also what you describe isn't predatory, since that implies that there is necessarily a victim. The term is transactional since both agree to the "deal". Good point. In a sense, one would be predatory if that part gets more than the other, but indeed, it does not have to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:46 PM
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Yeah, nature has not been even with our social and moral changes. But yes, attractiveness of women affects a lot, but men are so horny that all women can get a man, even if not ideal... while not all men can get a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:45 PM
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but how in the world is the pursuer being preyed upon? Excuse me? Plenty of people looking for a product or service are scammed. Whoever persues or not is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:43 PM
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atheist God punishes the wicked. Repent and turn to Allah.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:42 PM
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They probably will still blaming men and somehow tax men for not marrying them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:21 PM
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Men cheat for fun and has no effect on the relationship, if anything it enriches it. Women cheating means the relationship is long dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:16 PM
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They show zero understanding of what men want too They don't even ask. They proscribe what men should want. The arrogance and entitlement are beyond belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:14 PM
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Why any single woman in her 40s should expect a man to marry her makes no sense. I would not mind if she good looking, was independent woman and did not expect the man to earn more nor expected to have children at that old age. The problem is that a lot of those women still have "someday" children in their profiles, they also expect the guy to be a doctor or some shit. Maybe that is how they cope? Maybe they convince themselves it is men, but truly it is them being their own enemies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 02:13 PM
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I think the reason for sex to be so important is that sex is not just "sex"... sex implies status, fertility and pleasure, especially for men. Men, however, are replaceable in the sense of sex, so they have to give value in many other ways than women don't. Who is oppressed here? I don't think anyone is. Women get more by just existing with no effort, yet men get more options to get value but require effort. It all evens out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:42 PM
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I'm just pointing out generalities in most human societies. Certainly, some societies may be the exception, no doubt. I agree power comes in different ways. Men's power is generally on their assets, skills and strength. Women's power is more on their sexuality and fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:39 PM
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Most women get married in their late 20s, when the SMV go down. Yeah, it is a form of price control on their sexuality when the most valuable thing they have starts to drop in value.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:38 PM
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So sad to be fucked from life from that young age. I hope they euthanized me at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:30 PM
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Nah, I think it has more to do with acceleration of tech changes. People now meet using apps so it makes meeting in real life kind of riskier and less desirable. Tech also mixes a lot of cultures and customs, so no one knows what is the "right" way to approach and date. I think it affects both men and women: Men are less able to date now because women have way more options and they don't seem to have problem sharing dick. Women are less likely to be married by those men, so most of them will not…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:28 PM
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Yes but this is only a relatively recent cultural change and a standard that men decided in the first place (provider role). Of course we're still influenced by fairly modern history - we're influenced by our parents, grandparents and the media of the last century still. Things don't change over night however there are a lot more women these days comfortable with earning similar to their partner than there was even 30 or 40 years ago. I understand your point, but observe that women still require…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 08:59 PM
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Maybe they had another point, but usually things required to both genders still require men to do the most. For example, earning money, which both genders have to. Women hate poor men unless they are extremely attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 08:47 PM
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No, men here are talking about the fact men women date are expected to be better in comparison to other men. She usually is not expected to be better than average unless the guy is truly on the top 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:18 PM
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Not in that sense of dating a lot as much, but in the sense you are too old for teen drama of relationships. I would say that even less experience means you get tired of it faster at that age. Life is downhill from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:17 PM
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Jung had two mistresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:14 PM
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I've heard guys that this also happens when they get a house. Since women start trying to attract men late in life, as younger they just are naturally attractive, it means women are terrible with this game... they are internal jokes of guys because of this, so obviously goldiggers and desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:12 PM
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Well. It is by definition predatory. No you care about the position women will put themselves in when they don't have money. By that logic, women are the predatory factor by dating men for being richer, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:11 PM
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This is kind of why women hate videogames... they cannot easily know who is the winner in videogames, as they can in sports and so on. They just want to presume the mans as just another of her accessories.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:10 PM
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You are mixing expectations of gender roles with being "better" or "worse". That is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:08 PM
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Is it a weird feeling that you can only get women's attention if you keep them at a economic disadvantage? Is it a weird feeling that you imply all women are gold diggers?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:07 PM
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Only if they start dating trash, such as fat women, single moms, old party girls, and similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:05 PM
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After 25 it gets harder every year. After that age it is mostly pointless. No way there will be a strong bond. Fertility for women is crashing. Men get bored of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:04 PM
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and are probably better off steering clear of them entirely. Technically that is what the state does now. Women are net consumers of state taxes and entitlements, while men are forced to pay more with little to no benefits back. There is no such thing as "independent women" just women depending on collectives of state-enslaved men rather than family men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:01 PM
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Men are repulsive at cheating as polygamy, women are repulsive on their entitlement in hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:59 PM
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Guilt will stick with you. Yeah, eventually, but the heat of the moment still overrides that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:58 PM
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They don't hate playing mind games. They just hate when they are outplayed. Totally. Women also have higher rates of neuroticism, so yes, they are like that naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:52 PM
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Easy for those women to talk and to live an exciting life spending the guy's money, as parasites.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:51 PM
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People mysteriously talk about why psychopaths exist. Well, they have been sexually selected by women for millenia.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:49 PM
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The problem is that women are often very dishonest with what they truly want. It is evil that moms raise men to be "nice" knowing well that that is not what even them wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:48 PM
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In a sense, I hate to say it, but you do have a point. After that age, weddings feel like just cheap parties. Fertility goes down. Romance is just symbolic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:47 PM
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It seems to try to say something, but you loose it too much trying to "refute" all points just for the sake of it, without actually saying anything at the end.c. Try your own TLDR-like synthesis instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:22 PM
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You are right, that came before smart phones, but they made cheating and meeting new people so easy that sadly it seems they are a catalyzer for this. In any case, it is still people's reponsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:15 PM
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There are many blind spots for men in relationships: They usually don't have as many options as women, so they are blind to better options. They usually are trapped by law or divorce laws, if they break the marriage they may be fucked for life. The woman may get mental after a few years, usually for hormonal changes, menopause, pregnancy, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:39 PM
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The sad thing is that the women in their generation are being damaged beyond repair... miles of dick, bastards, resentment. I really hope we find a pill or something to get men less horny, so they don't have to rely on dating and fucking literal human trash to get satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:37 PM
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yeah, they are trapped between law favoring only women in a divorce and a hellish woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:35 PM
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I rather cut it off the friendzoning. I don't want to have "boyfriend tasks" assigned if I'm not going to be a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:54 PM
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Of course women want men to humiliate themselves and boost their ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:51 PM
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Oh. So women actually do choose average looking men. Noted. I suspect those men are not average on agreeableness, though. But yes, women eventually choose average men, after fucking like 200 handsome men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:47 PM
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Most men weren't as happy outside the marriage and know they will have to seek someone else. Nah, they are just horny. They only truly need women for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:42 PM
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Yes. I think we kind of already knew this? I mean, we do know that chads fuck countless women, but if you look around, most couples are average looking and women always complain how lazy or fat or stupid their men are... disagreeableness seem to be a trait women value a lot but they hate to admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:31 PM
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Do women know the risk of pregnancy and still choose to have children? If so, no one shall be forced to pay for that. Divorce money is not for paying for pregnancy. Men still pay for it through taxes, though (80% of taxes are paid by men).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:16 PM
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Even if we don’t have kids, the woman is wasting her prime with a man if they don’t get married. Her choice, her problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:14 PM
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Most people who think open relationships are a good thing often used them as a soft break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:13 PM
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In the event of alimony, only 10% of divorces end up with alimony awards. If you're not extremely wealthy, you'll never have to worry about this. Paying child support may still apply, but the cost is generally a lot less than the actual cost of actually raising a child, and with joint custody arrangements child support is going down in general. That is still a huge risk, and I'm sure that it is worse in some regions of the world. I would not put my savings in something that has a 10% chance of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:12 PM
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I think it has something to do with disagreeableness. Women are more agreeable, so disagreeable guys, even if they are disgusting on everything else, are seen as more unique and add "chaos" to their lives. Since women are more agreeable, they also suggest their boys to grow up as such, which is a terrible mistakes... women are the true factories of incels, especially single moms that believe they know anything about being a man in this cruel world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:06 PM
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Tell me: is doing nothing lazy if you get all time contradictory information about dating, women and what is good to do and what is not? Kind of wild women talking about how "lazy" guys while they just have to exist to get dates. Nice guys are lazy because they are paralyzed by what women want to claim and what they actually claim. Imagine how tiresome is to grow up with mom saying women love a nice guy, be a nice guy, then women tell you have to have a job first, you get a job and a house and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:02 PM
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I disagree. Women attraction for men is way wider than just sexuality. Some women can be weeks in a happy marriage with no sex, but the man will suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:58 PM
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Many men are hopelessly trapped in bad marriage that will fuck them if they leave, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:57 PM
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I wonder why cannot men just pay for some electricity and water and food, and directly pay for everything else for the child themselves. What is the point of letting the woman manage that money in every case?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:46 PM
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Men are known to think about finances better than women, though. Divorced women may get all money and spend it all in like 2 years, travelling or makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:45 PM
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Maybe shitty marriages are still more beneficial for men than they are for women. Maybe, just as divorce is often more beneficial (in theory) for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:44 PM
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I'm not disagreeing, but age and attraction has a lot more to do with this than people want to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:16 PM
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Why don't men just walk away if they aren't happy? Why would you want to stay with a family you hate? No idea. I suspect they just really want some space but they cannot say their wife such thing without causing a fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:15 PM
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You can be ANY age and be picky and know what you want. That, however, does not mean you will get exactly what you want. Fortunately, especially for women, they are OK with staying alone if they don't get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:47 PM
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Prostitution does not exist to fulfill the needs of potential or would be rapist. It is like saying that McDonalds does not exist to eliminate the hunger of the world. So? Reality is that prostitution have always and will always be around, and yes, potential rapists are dangerous reality of all civilizations, and prostitution has been a cheap and effective way to prevent that. Today, it is mostly porn, but there is still a place for prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:56 PM
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I feel the idea is to somewhat get money from men in any way possible. Not conspiracy of anything, but general idea of men as having to pay a surplus for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:47 PM
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You do understand that the sexworker isn’t actually enjoying the sex part, right? I'm sure nastier and riskier jobs have paid even less.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:46 PM
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Is not that true about any other job? We all consent to work because money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:22 PM
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Whatever the reason women have to date less, valid or not, is irrelevant. At the end it is up to their choice as women have all power on that aspect. I'm pointing out the fact that, for whatever reason, some men are more needy today than ever, and it is fair for them to have a chance to have sex. It literally does not affect women at all, in fact they may feel relief their autistic or bad socialized fatherless videogame kid at least get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:21 PM
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I would say women are more needy but as they have more access to relationships, social life, etc. that greater need is already satisfied like 10x. That is why they have the luxury to ask for more and more until they outprice themselves out of the dating market, since they already can get what they want anyway. Women are kind of mini-celebrities, and just as celebrities they love and live off attention, and both women and celebrities get it for just existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:14 PM
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IDK, men would not earn as much as women doing the same, so it is not as appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:13 PM
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Since relationships are increasingly about sex, and commitment is just symbolic, and no requirement for gender roles or to make a family, then prostitution is the same as modern "relationships" that are sex arrangements, but shorter term.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:12 PM
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Personally I would rather rub one out and hit the gym so I can get women who actually desire me. If you are autistic or short, that will not help much, and increasingly women ask more for men, so better there are other options for men. Also that attitude is kind of needy... "I gonna be strong because women like it", "I gonna make money to get women"... it is kind of needy and somewhat pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:11 PM
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Agreed, but plenty of men have already given up on the idea of stable marriage and love, and women rather prefer to have no family that date equals. High quality, available, cheap sex services can be the next best thing for those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:10 PM
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Most men don’t have that which is why they’re so sad and sex work doesn’t end up meaningfully helping them. The fact men don't go out to rape as in the past if they have no partner proves that they are coping well with porn. Prostitution can help it way more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:08 PM
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If you want a partner that actually desires you (which most men do) then prostitution is no substitute. It is the next best thing, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:16 PM
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Well, that is sad, but is not that already happening anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:16 PM
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That ick is costing them a financial edge. I'm sure some disgust for a few minutes can be worth it, just as in nasty jobs men do all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:02 PM
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At least you are self aware of what you want. Plenty of men and women get old and they find themselves fighting with reality and people around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:56 PM
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I'm sure it is not the fault of prostitutes, their price makes sense in their context. If we destigmatize prostitution, more women will join and price will drop. If we don't limit it to zones, more men have access to it. If local laws don't make it harder, it gets better and cheaper, just as in Asia. Women may also get more clients so their service may be cheaper but by more clients they may make more money overall. It is literally a win-win if the market gets more efficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:55 PM
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Long term and short term sexual arrangements are fine. But don’t call them romantic relationships lol I'm just pointing out that what we call "relationships" look more and more like sex arrangements. Nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:52 PM
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OP said it felt like a real connection though. It is like a real connection in the context that relationships are not anymore about love. They are about looks, status, money, love is conditional, etc. cheating is common, not marrying is common, not having a family anymore is common. So what difference does it make the real with prostitution? I would say the time in such arrangement. Instead months or years, just a night for $40 dollars can do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:50 PM
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I disagree, women are starting to out earn men, and are graduating with higher education than men. So a lot of women won't have the economic need to do so. Not women as a group, but plenty of individual women are good at sex and not at other jobs. They can profit off that. Most women won't need to subject themselves to that with them advancing through society and earning their own money. Plus if AI and robots happen then the lonely stragglers of men will just watch VR and use robots. Saves money…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:48 PM
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They aren’t going to be making millions because not everyone is going to want to pay that, like you’ve already said. Women can easily sell their virginity for 100k. Imagine how much college expenses they can pay with that. It is quite tempting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:45 PM
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We like to pretend we're civilized and we're apart from animals, but we literally have ape brains living in modern society with got-like technology. Agreed. In a sense, all our logic about it is often engineering to justify our illogical nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:44 PM
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I'm sure you are right, people need community and companionship, but plenty of men cannot get that anyway. So why also prevent them from getting cheap sex? I'm sure sex without emotional support is way better than no sex and no emotional support. I'm also sure that plenty of men with emotional support and family would also use sex work for variety and fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:43 PM
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OF has a limit, there is no physical contact, and soon AI will generate better porn than real women. But the real thing... the real think still have plenty of value. Even fat girls can make good money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:37 PM
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I'm sure sex work is not a free market, though. It is full of stigma, stupid zoning, dependent on local laws, etc. Maybe we shall encourage more women to join it too especially after they graduating, when they can make literal millions if they start early. Why work in a boring office if you can make thousands a week with your body alone? After all, it is a work as any other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:35 PM
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All my homegirls who do sexwork know it's a luxury expense. So when the economy is hard it also affects sex work like a lot of other things. As typical, rich people having access to sex and all things banned or prohibitive for normal people. Very sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:33 PM
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Today, many relationships are about sex, though. No commitment is guaranteed, they are child free, they cheat, she does not cook, etc. They are already long term prostitution arrangements, so why not more short term prostitution?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:32 PM
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Prostitutes can consent. No one is bothering them in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:30 PM
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Sex work is not an alternative to real, untransactional affection from someone who makes a choose to commit themselves to you. For guys that just want to nut, prostitution is good enough, though. You are assuming ALL guys want all the emotional baggage you are mentioned. Not to mention many guys are childfree or don't like marriage nor plan to stay forever with her, so basically their relationships are already long-term prostitution anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:29 PM
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But why bother? In countries where it is legal few guys do it because it is no substitute for the real thing. It does not have to be a substitute for anything. Plenty of men in the past used prostitution even having a wife. Meanwhile, many unmarriageable women and single moms can benefit from doing cheaper sex work, maybe earn more if they take more clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:28 PM
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Then, an extra female hand shall not be that expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:25 PM
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You'll never hear a deformed guy complaining that he gets to sleep with a lot of women who happen to not be attracted to him, that'd be unthinkable. She is humblebragging her female privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:58 PM
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Be happy at least you can get dick. Don't be so ungrateful. Most men cannot even get pussy without a lot of requirements or being born very lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:56 PM
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Women don't want to lose their holier-than-thou status, that would mean they would actually have to put real effort in life and be accountable for their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:48 PM
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Women are extremely classist. Even minority women want the typical rich-looking white guys. Women are a protected class, so they can be openly racist and classist with no legal or social repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:39 PM
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because women are more privileged when it comes to sex, dating and relationships when compared to men. They have it much easier than the equivalent man. Women still find a way to blame men for bad relationships even having ALL power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:54 PM
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Autistic women still seek non-autistic men, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:53 PM
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Imagine being this entitled and believing you are a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:52 PM
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Women live like royalty in this society: they contribute the least to it and yet have the most rights and privileges. Societies have always had a class of noble parasites, but now it is gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:51 PM
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Exactly. Personality shit is another excuse to reject without looking as the asshole most women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:49 PM
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As a man, you can be more attractive with some effort, but there is a limit. No exercise or effort will make you taller or change your face structure, being surgery the only exception, which is not very accessible. Yes, love has a looks price. All shit about "love is not about looks" is that, a lie. I suggest these men women don't like to work for themselves and make their own money, property and be the most independent possible of society, contribute the least to it and let it die.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:38 PM
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It is weird women are so eager to prove "the wall don't exist" when clearly a woman in her 80s will never get the same attention they got in her 40s or 20s. Women always have sexual power at any age, no one has denied that and the "wall" was never about women not having sex or being totally unattractive, but about women losing a lot of power they had on most men by just looks alone. Makeup industries and fashion and shit just prove women do love that power and do ANYTHING to keep that, even when…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:31 PM
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I love the royalty tone of your comment, a lesser known Queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:25 PM
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Recognizing men in any way is basically saying them they are useful, which is a no-no to society. In theory men already know they contribute more labor, sacrifice more to society, etc. but if society recognizes that, men have leverage. Men also know they have to take more risks, get more benefit while paying more, etc. Society and women hate to admit their undeserved privilege because it is disempowering to admit they need to parasite men. Women are like spoiled children in this context, unable …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:24 PM
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It also happens to guys too. Women hit on them and they are oblivious to it because it is very rare for them. Now, I get women may suspect about intentions of men and so, but even if men have intentions beyond neutral conversations, I don't think women shall freak out. Men don't have mind control techniques to make women have sex with them, and plenty of women have learned to use the attention to their own empowerment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:04 PM
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I can see the reasoning behind it, but evolution doesn't really care about oppression, it just cares about survival. Precisely, and in the past it was more likely for women to survive by allying with violent and dangerous men. Sure, sometimes those men hurt them and so, but most likely they protected them from nature. It now makes sense why women say they want a thing but clearly they fuck another.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:58 PM
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XD
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:56 PM
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You would be surprised. Most of these interactions are never confirmed to be "hitting" on them, they just assume it and tell other women about it for ego boost, like humblebragging.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:54 PM
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based
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:53 PM
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Even if you are right, what is wrong with just a conversation? You don't have to escalate that into anything else. Many men assume women over 30 looking for a man are rather looking for a wallet, but that does not mean I avoid conversations with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:43 PM
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Agree, but it seems that for some reason, it's just easier for men to be happy?I don't know how or why but that seems to be how it's going, despite the fact that women in the West are arguably in the best time in history for them bar none, and yet many/most of them still seem to be rather unhappy. I have a rather controversial hypothesis. Women probably evolved for thousands of years to find happiness in oppression. NOT that oppression makes them happy, but they find happiness easer in oppressio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:28 PM
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Because you'Re a woman, and according to feminism women are supposed to treat every single interaction with men as though they're all possibly violent psychopaths. What fear-based sad way to live in this society, now that times are safer for women than ever before in the West. If some women in the past were able to be happy even society being against them, I'm sure most women can be happy today if most society is protecting and defending them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 08:46 PM
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It is all up to the assumption, tho. Some people are weird but they don't have any sexual intention. Even if they do, as long as they are not being disrespectful, I don't see the problem. We cannot know people's true intentions anyway. How the hell do you pronounce moment as mom? It was in a chat context.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:57 PM
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Suppose a man is flirting with me using innocuous conversation. Why would I freak out? I mean, it is better than harassing or directly asking me out. At least a simple conversation I can let go with no problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:35 PM
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Women have more degrees than men, they get government assistance, jobs favor hiring them, etc. If men got more opportunities is because they try harder and wider range of jobs than women, but not because it is given to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:17 PM
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I would rather say it is women who are always thinking about relationships, dating, etc. Men can focus on hobbies and jobs. They do love sex, but only in a very specific context. If men were always thinking about sex, then they would not be able to be better than women in so many labor tasks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:44 PM
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It makes sense. Happiness is a spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:17 PM
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I don't think it is as much generational trauma, which is a disempowering belief, but rather just entitlement There is such thing as generational trauma but it is more about economic opportunities and cultural expectations, and a lot of us come from relatively healthy and privileged families anyway. People feel entitled to tell others what they really need or what the don't need, even repeating stuff based on contradictions and nonsense. They assume anyone looking for relationships is needy, eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:37 PM
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subsequently, a few top men have power over women they barely like
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:29 PM
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I'm concerned about making a lifetime commitment and seeing the mother/father of your children as a bonus, though. Not saying this view is wrong, it just feels odd that we are invited to see relationships as astronomically important decision for almost everything in life from there on, but also it is just a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:17 PM
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People often here say that you don't need anyone to complete you, that you shall not feel bad for not finding someone, implying you shall feel bad for wanting bad to have someone special.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:08 PM
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It's more about not being desperate for a partner. It's about being able to interact with the opposite sex without being a spergy mess. Agree on this. It's about valuing yourself, and valuing your partner for who they are, not just being with someone who maybe isn't so good for you because you don't want to be alone. As I said in another comment, I notice here is that people are spreading to other people a tautology: To have other people you have to not need other people. But also you have to pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:07 PM
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Agreed. In this aspect, it is OK to admit you need or want a partner you cannot get for some reason and still have a relatively comfortable life. Not 100% ideal, but close enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:03 PM
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Agree, but you can be fully independent, professional, have good money, family, friends etc. and still feel frustrated for not having a partner. The word "complement" also is related to completeness, wholeness. If you are complete in yourself, then you don't need anyone to complement you. What I notice here is that people are spreading to other people a tautology: To have other people you have to not need other people. Also you have to put all effort and commitment into something you don't need …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:02 PM
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If you aren't in a place where you can't handle yourself and being independent, how can you expect someone else to want to be with you? I disagree. Independence has nothing to do with the ability to get a partner of not. You can be fully independent and make good money and a comfortable life, but still want a partner. In fact, many working women have precisely this issue as sometimes independence itself can be detrimental to other aspects of life that allow them to find love. But again, your poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:00 PM
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Precisely. If you have problems finding a partner that does not mean you believe having a partner will fix ALL problems, just that problem of not having a partner. This is often a kind of gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:57 PM
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Well, it is not about fixing problems, but a kind of realizations. It is like people who have a good job that makes good money, they like it but it is not their dream job. Their "problem" is not really as much a "problem" but clearly that person is not realized.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:56 PM
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If you choose the same few men, obviously those men will have that power instead. But you still have the power to choose, which most men don't' have.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:30 PM
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Today, yes. Unless they met in pre-internet times.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:29 PM
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Yes and no. It is a hierarchy. The top 10% of men and celebrities and politicians basically own women at this point. Women do what celebrities do... they wait until their 40s to have children because their celebrities did, even knowing how expensive fertility treatments are. Makeup, fashion, etc. is about women doing what the higher class of women and men tell them to do. Men, however, are more independent on this aspect, but most men are not top men, so they have to fit their stupid celebrity e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:25 PM
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You are more likely a placeholder if you are truly bluepilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:21 PM
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Only because women let them get into those relationships in the first place. Women have ALL power on dating now and they HATE the responsiblity that implies. No, I don't think the state shall invest in rescuing women from their stupid decisions to return to the same criminal men again and again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:20 PM
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If i'm perfectly happy alone why would I want a partner? Exactly, this is what I always say... I think this "suggestion" for men is just another shit test.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:23 PM
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