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Ever wondered why 'cuck' is such a popular insult on the Right? Conservatives are the primary consumers of cuckold porn and it's the top category in every red state. Apparently, the good people deep in the red state of Texas have considerably more enthusiasm for adult entertainment. According to xHamster's statistics, Texas is the second biggest consumer of pornography in the nation, with the most searches targeting “cuckold,” “ebony” and “amateur.” Of all the red states, the most viewed categor…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 11:32 AM
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When I was like 12 I had my first girlfriend (i.e. we held hands) and she lived closer to school so I often slept at her place during the week. We only ever cuddled and kissed, but I can't believe that it would have been so normal in America. Her father would have probably chased me out of the house with a shotgun.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:58 PM
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Even your own source says that he isn't Antifa.... And so does he himself, the prosecution and his Wikipedia page After Sullivan participated in the Capitol attack, right-wing conspiracy theories accuse Sullivan of being affiliated with antifa, though federal authorities had not identified him as such and he has stated that he has no relationship to the antifa movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:57 AM
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Make me own you with a link. Yes please link me to a crazy person on Facebook claiming it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:33 PM
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Sometimes I quoted the sidebar definition of things directly from r/TheRedPill and then got accused of not having any idea what I'm talking about. So even a lot of Reds don't have any idea what they are defending, if they think that directly copy-pasting from the sidebar is somehow me making a strawman argument to make TRP look bad
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:33 PM
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There is not evidence that Antifa stormed the capitol Several white nationalists have been charged for arson These are not the same
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:13 PM
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You mean what? Believing the police reports and facts?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 06:33 PM
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You mean those riots where most of the fires were set by White Nationalists as a false flag attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:51 PM
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There's an easy way: learn how to communicate your issues without sounding like an incel Stop using incel-words like simp and blaming all women for your issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:44 AM
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This all sounds like you don't know how to communicate properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:39 AM
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People have problems because they drink too much (in large part fueled by the drinking laws & drinking culture of America). That's also something I said in another comment. Americans don't have a drinking culture so don't know how to do it responsibly. Once they are allowed to drink they get wasted and have a much higher rate of alcoholism, while people here drink earlier but with more restraint.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:28 PM
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English isn't my first language. I meant slightly chubby.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:14 PM
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It’s just apparent how little knowledge you have on America. Your last point of cooties is actually just painfully uneducated. Teenage love is a big thing and is in the media all the time. There are plenty of teenagers who lose their virginities in high school and college The data shows that Americans on average have their first kiss, their first love and their first sex years later. Minors also can be very irresponsible when drinking and we already have a problem with 21-25 year olds constantly…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 03:13 PM
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In the US 16% of teenagers are overweight, another 19% are obese and 6% are severely obese. In Germany 9% are overweight and 6% are obese. There's really a big gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 12:40 PM
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This comment is so unneccessary It wasn't meant seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 12:12 PM
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As someone else pointed out those studies vary a lot depending on where and how they were done. For example for Greece some studies say 15 and others 18 How the question is asked might introduce shame or bragging. Who the question is asked to also matters as university students in big cities are probably having a different experiences than working class people in rural areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 12:05 PM
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even though they were doing a lot of drugs a young girl could safely walk home late at night. Rapists and thieves do exist, but dangerous situations are so rare that most people do not think twice about walking home drunk in the middle of the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:58 AM
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The first part of your post focused on obesity which isn't necessarily a sex culture thing, if you want to participate in the healthy weight sex culture just be more fit yourself and ignore the other My point was that in the US it seems to be more polarized. That more people are considered unattractive and that the bar for being attractive is higher. Here most people look okay and it's not that important, but in the US most people are obese and you've got to be muscular and stylish.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 01:35 AM
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Because they aren't part of real Europe, but Eastern Europe 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 01:31 AM
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More likely to treat you as an equal and not just another expendable scrote. Yeah that's what I wanted to get into with my "cooties" point. It seems like in the US there's more distance and seperation between the genders while here they are more equal as they are just seen as a person and not as a other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 12:56 AM
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If you think Iceland and Greece are similar in regards to teenagers having sex, think again. Iceland: https://www.spiegel.de/international/european-sex-survey-teens-from-germany-iceland-ditch-virginity-early-a-454492.html Teenagers in Iceland lose their virginity earlier, at an average age of 15.7 Greece: https://greekreporter.com/2014/10/13/greek-teens-experience-sex-at-the-age-of-14/ The same research shows that while the majority of pupils have their first sexual experience at the age of 14, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 12:52 AM
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U.S.A. U.S.A. #1!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 12:40 AM
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From what I've heard from expats from Italy, France, Spain, Portugal and Finland it seems to be the same across all of Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 12:38 AM
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That's like being mad at people that got run over by a car for freezing instead of jumping away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 10:24 AM
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The car of a true Red Pill Alpha
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:29 AM
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That's the conservative mindset: when people do things that conservatives don't like they demand punishment Conservatives don't like sex outside of marriage so they demand that people that get pregnant should have to birth it as a punishment. Instead of helping addicts to overcome their issues they should be punished by just rotting in a prison. Instead of helping poor people to get into higher education they should just be punished because they should just have been born in a rich family.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:12 AM
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I have the N-word fantasy for pointing out that it's regularly used in cuckold porn? You are not making any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 09:18 PM
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Overall it is clear cut. The averages show it and the top ten payers are primarily blue while the top ten receivers are primarily red.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 09:14 PM
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Weird twist you took on the racist track there, yikes I took on a racist track? This topic is racist and I'm just pointing it out. According to a Google search of mine the most profitable cuckold studios are CuckoldSessions (black men on white women), DogfartNetwork (black men on white women), CumEatingCuckolds (black men on white women), etc You just can't leave racism out of the discussion about a porn category that is filled with racism
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 09:06 PM
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According to xHamster's statistics, Texas is the second biggest consumer of pornography in the nation, with the most searches targeting “cuckold,” “ebony” and “amateur.” Of all the red states, the most viewed categories were “cuckold” and “mature.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 09:01 PM
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Porn preferences of men has a relation to this subreddit, especially as TRPers and such also love to use cuck as an insult, which for many is probably just projection
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 08:56 PM
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Because the user above (who fittingly has 88 in his username) shared a picture with anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It contained a list of porn studios owned by mindgeek with an anti-semitic message: This Jew singlehandedly controls the majority of pornography on the internet. He spends a lot of $ to stay as anonymous as possible while broadcasting the filth that damages your mind. Every time you watch 'free' porn online, you're putting shekels in his pocket.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 08:49 PM
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But she didn't call the people on Reddit anti-semitic. She mentioned the alt-right conspiracy theory that Jewish porn producers are pushing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 08:35 PM
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stop with the porn doom and gloom most people watch normal shit You'd think so, but according to xHamster in most red states the most popular category is cuckold
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 08:13 PM
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I mean, husband is usually the camera man, which is also the nice part of it, as a lot of that stuff is homemade with a cameraman, I’m not really in on the dude jerking off side of things. Oh I was thinking of mainstream porn produced by big studios. That looks overwhelmingly black on white
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:44 PM
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Because two thirds of conservative men report having a cuckold fantasy it's more popular in red than in blue states It's more commonly consumed in conservative states and conservatives are reporting having that fantasy more often. 1 + 1 = 2
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:42 PM
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I apparently don't watch as much cuckold porn as you do so I based my understanding on cuckold porn mostly on what you hear about it on the internet and from what I saw during my Google searches for this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:41 PM
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You get white cuck porn to.. not just black .. I'd imagine all races of cuck porn. 99.9% is hung black guy fucking the white wife of a white guy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:36 PM
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Maybe they are imagining thereself as the bull So those white conservatives that watch cuckold porn are imagining themselves as a hung black guy fucking the wife of a white guy? Doesn't make much sense. If they want to self-insert why do they watch a porn category that has male talent that's nothing like themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:24 PM
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Why do you assume that it's liberals running from their states instead of conservatives that want to move to red states in order to have freedom from masks and LGBT people?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:21 PM
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So do you think that those white conservatives that watch cuckold porn are imagining themselves as a hung black guy fucking the wife of a white guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:20 PM
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I don’t know about most, but my fantasy isn’t someone else fucking my girl, it’s I get off on fucking your wife better than you ever could. So those white conservatives that watch cuckold porn are imagining themselves as a hung black guy fucking the wife of a white guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:19 PM
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LMAO, people who watch cuckold porn watch it imagining they’re the guy that’s fucking, not the husband! So white conservatives are imagining themselves as a hung black guy fucking the wife of a white guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:19 PM
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Conservatives: banning guns is stupid because criminals will still have access to guns Also conservatives: banning abortion is smart because now people will make better choices and abortions won't happen anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:10 PM
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It seems the only thing you've shown is that cuckold porn is both more often and less often searched in both red and blue states. Overall it's much more popular in red states
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:05 PM
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LMAO, people who watch cuckold porn watch it imagining they’re the guy that’s fucking, not the husband! Why not just watch any regular porn and imagine yourself doing the fucking? Why watch cuckold porn with humiliating elements like cock comparisons with a much bigger dick or a sad guy jerking in the corner?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 07:03 PM
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Why not watch any regular porn instead? You could always imagine yourself fucking the hot chick without having to watch a sad guy jerking his soft dick in the corner
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:59 PM
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That self-reporting study wasn't done by a porn site. And yeah it's self-reported so the actual number is probably higher as many won't admit to it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:51 PM
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Truth is, looking at your own data, doesn't seem that popular. It's popular but not the most popular category on Pornhub, but xHamster reported that it's the most popular category in lots of red states
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:50 PM
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Most "conservative" states have huge populations (yet minority) of black liberal-voting people. Maybe cuckold is acceptable in their culture... are you racist? This wouldn't explain why two thirds of conservative men report having cuckold fantasies
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:48 PM
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That's why it's titled "why cuckold porn is so popular among conservatives" and not "why is cuckold porn so popular among conservatives?"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:47 PM
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Yeah I mentioned those factors in my post
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:46 PM
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I forgot to mention popular Republican politicians and such that have had cuckold scandals, like Roger Stone recruiting black men on Craigslist to fuck his wife
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:46 PM
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Cuck fetish contains humiliation (a real man takes your wife and she makes fun of you) non-participation (he takes her and you can only watch) Threesomes, swinging, orgies, open relationships, etc do not count as cuck fetish as they are missing these elements.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:44 PM
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Red states often have less ways for liberals living there to express themselves, so they rely on porn or online communities. Unsubstantiated assumption. The tiny minority of liberals in red states couldn't be responsible for the most popular categories. And if it were the case that liberals like cuckold porn it would also be popular in blue states. And your assumption doesn't explain why two thirds of conservative men report having cuckold fantasies We can play this ib many ways. Why so liberals…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:41 PM
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They could just watch any porn instead of watching specifically humiliating cuckold porn
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:39 PM
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Op, you are overthinking this and playing arm chair psychologist. I doubt you'd react the same way if someone here claimed that feminists fantasize about rape
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:38 PM
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But even i wouldn't make such sweeping generalizations I'm not generalizing all of them, as "cuckold porn is most popular among conservatives" isn't the same as "conservatives are cucks"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:11 PM
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I always wondered why most men that DM me to share pictures of their wife and ask me if I want to fuck her have a conservative comment history, so it's nice to see that there's data to support my anecdotal evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 06:04 PM
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the hell even is functional length? It clearly states that functional length is erect length including fat pad depth, which is a correct BP measurement. We’re talking about erect length aren’t we? You brought up the 5.5" average, which is the CalcSD global BP average. So if you want to be consistent you should also use the 6.2" BP average of Wessels et al 1996
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 09:30 PM
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Why are you lying? Table 1 clearly shows that average BP length is 6.2".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:10 AM
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But South Asian girls mainly only like South Asian boys and the same for Indians. The Asian men on the internet that complain that women do not want them are actually complaining that white women do not want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:04 AM
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Table 1 shows that the average BP length was 15.74cm or 6.2"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:53 AM
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Using the NBP measurement is not very fair now isn't it? Earlier you said 5.5", which is the CalcSD global BP average. So if you want to be consistent you have to also use the 6.2" BP result of Wessels.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 06:51 AM
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So self-report then Which part of "medically-measured" did you not understand? 5.5" is merely the global average, which is lowered as it's based overwhelmingly on Asians. Medically-measured studies done on white or black men have significantly larger averages than the global average, with an average of 6.2" for white men and 6.6" for black men Relying on the global average on an US-centric subreddit just doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:43 PM
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Average for non-Hispanic whites is 5’10. Which is basically 6' Where the fuck did you get this data, some shitty self-report study? The average is 5.5 That's the CalcSD global average, but I'm specifically talking about white people. The global average is useless here as it's just getting pulled down by the smaller averages in Eastern countries. If you look at the list of medically-measured studies on CalcSD you will see that primarily white countries are much bigger. For example Wessels et al 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 10:19 PM
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Chad is always portrayed as white, and apparently 6', 6 figures, 6 inch and 6 pack are seen as women having insanely high standards, despite those things not being rare for white people. 6' is basically average for white people. The whitest states like Alabama and Iowa have an average height of 5'11" 6" is below average for white people. The overall average of medically-measured Western studies is 6.2" 6 figures is 80th percentile, which is rather high but not really. It just takes some effort t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:42 PM
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Why though? 6ft isn't that much above average, it's still within one SD and 20% earn 100k+, and there's a strong correlation with height and income so there's a lot of overlap between those two groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:37 PM
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Someone here once used Kristen Stewart as an example of an average girl. It's no surprise that guys that only interact with women by stalking hot chicks on instagram or watching porn would be bad at knowing what an actual average real life woman looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:56 PM
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Because the average man thinks: "She's working out, and so she probably just wants to be left alone." Or alternatively "she's standing in line at the moment, and can't leave the situation." Or, more commonly "she's way outta my fucking league. I don't wanna get rejected today." You are talking about the average anxious online nerd, but not about the average man. Don't you guys always whine about how much women crave dark triad alpha criminals? Why then would they want someone who's too afraid to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 09:44 AM
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My point was that you guys like to blame women instead of looking deeper at your own issues, and you did just exactly that. They should instead listen to women who minimize their problems and call them misogynists? I pointed out that the data is biased, and you directly jumped to this, which had nothing to do with what I'm saying. So instead of looking at your own issues you blamed women for calling you misogynistic. I love how men online are nerds while women online are well meaning people. Her…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 10:31 AM
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What is this even supposed to mean? They should instead listen to women who minimize their problems and call them misogynists? Case in point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 09:29 AM
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Now on one side you have a TRP guy who had his fair share of girls before The average TRPer has an n-count of 0 knows female psychology really well and recognizes intentions of mentioned woman Believing that all women are mentally-retarded children that want to trap you with the child of a dark triad alpha is the opposite of understanding women. He also has other open options if he wanted to cheat and some of them likely better than her. So why wouldn't he do it? As a TRPer he would either belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 09:17 AM
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The men complaining are rating themselves too high. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631 All six studies provide compelling evidence that self-ratings of unattractive people mostly differ from how others perceive their attractiveness. In fact, relative to ratings by strangers, all studies showed that unattractive participants considerably overestimated their attractiveness. It is remarkable that across all studies, unattractive participants reported to be above-average (re…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 09:11 AM
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Dating apps make up 40% of how couples meet as of 2017 According to an online survey. If you look at the general population 70% start as friends or through friends, as of 2021
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 09:08 AM
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They're agreeing that as long as the allowance is there, then of course pump and dump by high value males is just fine. So you've talked to some escorts and assumed this is true for women in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 09:04 AM
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If you make a thread asking guys why dating is so hard it's no surprise it will attract guys that think that dating is so hard for men. The AskMen userbase also have overlap with seduction, dating and pill-related subreddits. The subreddit also has a younger and more virginal demographic. There's just too many biases in that approach of asking online nerds for their experience and applying it to men in general. Date whoever you want, and if you only want 8+/10 looking dudes, godspeed. Just stop …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 08:59 AM
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Other guys can attract with other features
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 01:50 AM
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I don't. But when I have a boner I just might
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:34 AM
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OP described them like that ALWAYS got some horny THOT pawing and clinging on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:34 AM
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That’s how I see roided out super muscular guys. And like attracts like OP even said that his roided out friends always have an artificial bimbo around ALWAYS got some horny THOT pawing and clinging on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:33 AM
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That said, I do think women are more likely to reply at least once or give a chance to someone they don’t actually find attractive. They only counted those that went back and forth several times, so replying once "k, thx, bye" doesn't show up in this statistic
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:08 AM
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That’s true, but like I said, men also send a ton more messages overall compared to women 3.5 times more is not a ton more
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:07 AM
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But the point here is making someone suffer. Who would you rather eat? This plant or the stranger in the other car?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:05 AM
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It's ingenious to bring up insects, what's next? Mushrooms, bacteria? If you kill a cow you kill the best friend of another cow. If you kill a cow it knows that it will die and will suffer. Insects are stupid. They don't have souls. They don't feel. They don't remember. They don't suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:03 AM
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They are also stupid insects without sentience, social structures or feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:00 AM
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https://theblog.okcupid.com/a-womans-advantage-82d5074dde2d The playing field is also pretty even: there are 1.5 men for every woman on the site. These women are progressive too, with 43 percent of women preferring to split the check (compared to 17 percent of men). Yet there is one crucial way in which women fail to take the lead. Most women — regardless of sexual orientation — do not send the first message, with straight woman 3.5x less likely to compared to straight men. At first, we thought …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:56 PM
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I've watched porn with all my girlfriends. I've talked about our favorite porn with most of my female friends. What women have a problem with porn? The only complaints I've heard were "why does he watch porn instead of fucking me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:48 PM
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You are currently posting in one such thread
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:43 PM
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And what kinds of women are writing the most first messages? Many above-average looking women don’t even write bios because they know they don’t need to. Another OkCupid blog post mentioned that there's no difference. Women of all attractiveness groups have about the same rate of first messages sent
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:42 PM
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“plenty of potentially charming, even cute, girls go unwritten.“ "potentially" is the keyword here, talking about ugly/obese women Men consistently send far more first messages on dating sites But overwhelmingly to the most attractive women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:41 PM
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A blog post about a blind date study: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/X3jz5mriJeWi2uLdF/how-subjective-is-attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:39 PM
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The inboxes of F4M posts get pretty much spammed with messages where as the inboxes of M4F posts are left drier than the Sahara Desert. There's a lot of other reasons than "women have too high standards and mostly want the same type of Chad" women are more attracted to vibe, personality, etc They'd rather meet someone through friends, at a concert, on an actual dating platform, etc rather than looking at some nerdy online anti-social media for it the demographic Reddit is mostly men how do you k…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:38 PM
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Because that's not actually true
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:25 PM
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Plus, It's not that men agree with who's hotter, their rankings are also normally distributed. That is. What we expect them to be. There's really not that much different in their ratings The OkCupid ratings are biased as it would alert people if you rated them 3 or higher. In blind date settings both follow a normal distribution
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:23 PM
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We can disagree on when that is, but you will never be Mia Khalifa’s best You still don't get it. There's a middle ground between assuming you are her best and worrying that you aren't her best. My point is that worrying that you aren't her best is a sign of insecurity. Not if you are or aren't her best. I don't care if I'm the best Mia Khalifa has had. I'm happy that I'm fucking her and that she's loving it. worrying: insecure not caring: neutral assuming you are the best: narcissism
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:08 PM
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No lie I honestly just want to know who decided to name this mythological dude Chad. Because it's a typical quarterback name
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:03 PM
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Bro you are delusional if you think you will be her best partner out of dozens of others My point is that you are insecure if you worry that you aren't her best
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:01 PM
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That's why I said "reeked", to put emphasis of the strength of how much those specific biases shine through their wording and arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:59 PM
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Because insecurity is a big deal for women so when they call us that, they think it triggers that same existential dread in us. If it doesn't, why are there's threads about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:56 PM
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You could also argue that they want intelligent, nice, beta men if you cherry-pick different insults "dumb, aggressive, domineering, meathead, jock"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:55 PM
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I'm a guy, but I'll answer as most TRPers assume that I'm a woman just because I disagree with their delusional beliefs. It's not meant as an insult. It's meant to explain where your beliefs are coming from. It's because you guys reek of insecurity in everything you say. "no man would date a high n-count woman because she will have had better partners and will absolutely cheat on you" - is clearly an argument based on insecurity "women have too high standards and only want to sleep with Chad" - …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:12 PM
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You're gonna abuse that relationship, it's just in your nature. I'm a guy, so I know that my funny and outgoing personality matter much more to women than my average looks. Source: have a lot more hookups when I'm on coke which grants me confidence, fun and charming superpowers
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:08 PM
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Why are you guys so concerned about paternity fraud? Aren't you all trying to be dark triad alphas? So why don't you just lock her in the basement when you are out of the house?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:06 PM
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Those aren't diametrically opposed, because you forgot to acknowledge that looks don't matter that much to women. Women overall rate 80% of men as unattractive, yet there's still enough women that message and respond to those guys - because women don't care about looks all that much and because they have more varied tastes than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:04 PM
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Most hookups happen between people that are roughly the same age
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:54 PM
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not really cuz men have a much harder time getting casual That's not true. Just because online nerds whine about how hard it is this doesn't mean that it's hard for normal, non-autistic, social and outgoing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:53 PM
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It's also not true. OkCupid: Your Looks and your Inbox Male Messaging and Female Attractiveness Our chart shows how men have rated women, on a scale from 0 to 5. The curve is symmetric and surprisingly charitable: a woman is as likely to be considered extremely ugly as extremely beautiful, and the majority of women have been rated about “medium.” The chart looks normalized, even though it’s just the unfiltered opinions of our male users. When it comes down to actually choosing targets, men choos…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:51 PM
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Yet when you pull OLD statistics, a tiny percentage of men are receiving the overwhelming attention from women Why are you lying? OkCupid: Your Looks and your Inbox Male Messaging and Female Attractiveness Our chart shows how men have rated women, on a scale from 0 to 5. The curve is symmetric and surprisingly charitable: a woman is as likely to be considered extremely ugly as extremely beautiful, and the majority of women have been rated about “medium.” The chart looks normalized, even though i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:50 PM
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Prove it on a societal scale https://www.livescience.com/5502-men-agree-hot-women.html "Men agree a lot more about who they find attractive and unattractive than women agree about who they find attractive and unattractive," said study researcher Dustin Wood, assistant professor of psychology at Wake Forest University in North Carolina. Participants each rated nearly 100 photographs of either men or women, depending on the participant's gender and sexual orientation. They scored how attractive th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:48 PM
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Women declare that they like muscular guys, 'but not huge veiny types, that's gross' Have you ever considered that women aren't a hivemind? If some women like overly mascular guys there's enough for the low percentage of overly mascular guys, while those that assume that those guys look gay will pair up with other men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:44 PM
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especially when most women 18-23 are just messing around and not really looking for serious commitment? The guys they marry do the exact same...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:42 PM
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mainstream advice has been: "Be nice to girls". Not "Be hot to girls". Mainstream advice includes men's magazines that are all about fitness, style and being hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:46 PM
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Women only date/marry equal or up in value. Is that an objective value, or is that "women want a man, while they are just mere women"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:46 PM
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Give me one example that proves the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:41 PM
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My examples are a warm approach
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:40 PM
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These studies mostly confirm rules 1 and 2. Be attractive. Don't be unattractive. Is that redpill? That's mainstream advice. What's Red Pill is that being a dark triad douche, using push and pull, dread game, etc makes you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:33 PM
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and meet women in real life? There's other ways than cold approaching them while they are out shopping. Getting to know them through your extended friend circle, getting to know them at parties, talking to those in night clubs that want to get approached, etc Cold approaches are a bad way at doing it, because it works much better if there's already something happening, like if you've eye fucked each other across the room or danced together.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:31 PM
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Women don't know what they want so TRPers have to jump in to tell them what they really want
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:24 PM
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Like when you're trying to prove that women don't care about money, linking to article that says women care about education just doesn't do that. 25% stating that preference in online dating but still pairing up with guys that don't fulfill that criteria shows that it's not as high of a priority as you guys assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:23 PM
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I've taken those straight from the sidebar, mods and vanguards. Who should I trust if not the their holy sidebar? The most toxic parts of TRP are sold as the most important parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:21 PM
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comparing him to Mozart unironically At 15 he was producing beats for Jay Z and he singlehandedly pushed the genre forward several times And Mozart was kind of a bad boy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:20 PM
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Can you not tell the difference between a stranger getting into your face while you are shopping, or slowly getting to know someone online?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:17 PM
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Just because you think it's not true doesn't make it so. What's true about it? So far everything I heard is solely based on bitterness, but not on facts They believe that women are mentally retarded children that are only attracted to dark triad men. They think that showing emotions is the worst thing a man can do, that talking with women is useless and that relationships require dread game (making her feel unsafe, making her believe that you are cheating on her, making her feel inferior to you,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:16 PM
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"debunk the flat earth? How can you debunk science?" Just because a bunch of delusional people call something the truth this doesn't make it the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:06 PM
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yet 2/3 to 3/4 women find BI men off-putting. The Gleason 2019 study was done by mostly asking students at Minnesota State University, where only 24% vote Democrats In Feinstein 2014 the difference was much less pronounced
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:42 PM
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Unless you want conservatives girls you won't get fire from women for being bi. For many modern ones it's a bonus, especially if they would like to have a MFM threesome
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:18 PM
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Yes, not looking like a complete disgusting neckbeard "women don't like unshowered obese nerds without any sense of style, that proves that they only want the most attractive men"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:16 PM
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Natalie Dormer She looked very cute in GoT
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:12 PM
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I remember you raging out on a few of them... You clearly remember wrong. Me not accepting the feelings of TRPers as proof isn't the same as raging. Or some of us moved up the SMV, and noticed a MASSIVE difference in the way we were treated by women. The power of a shower
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:11 PM
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And their only proof is "but I'm average and women don't want me, so that shows that they only want the most attractive men" Well, ugly people don't want to accept that they are unattractive so they convince themselves that they are average https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631 All six studies provide compelling evidence that self-ratings of unattractive people mostly differ from how others perceive their attractiveness. In fact, relative to ratings by strangers, all studie…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:53 PM
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Like that one idiot who said 80/20 should be taught in schools, you know he doesn't touch grass. Schools teach facts, but the 80/20 rules is just a mental defense mechanism. It's just what they want to believe in because it allows them to blame women for having high standards instead of accepting that they are at the very bottom of the barrel. According to RP philosophy women have insanely high standards and only want the top percentiles of men, but that's only a coping mechanism they use to put…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:49 PM
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or get a paternity test immediately Unless you are in France where it's illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:46 PM
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Do you want anxious-preoccupied women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:31 PM
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People that complain that Pete Davidson dresses like an idiot shouldn't act surprised that women don't consider them hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:30 PM
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Yukio from Deadpool. She's cute
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:14 PM
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immoral Lol grandpa people aren't religious anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 02:37 PM
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3 times as many women murdered per year than men is not just a miniscule amount
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 09:41 PM
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Only small amount of gang violence though, which is why what I said about more female murder victims is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 08:29 PM
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Austria for example has a low crime rate and low murder rate. They've got a quarter of guns per capita compared to the US, but a 40 time lower murder rate. In 2020 43 people were murdered, but 31 of them were women. https://medium.com/fearless-she-wrote/why-are-there-so-many-femicides-in-austria-7d7359d9ebb0 In 2020, 31 women were among a total of 43 murder victims. At the end of April, the ninth femicide in 2021 occurred, triggering outrage and a media frenzy due to the man who allegedly murder…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 07:09 PM
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6 years? She's already 6 years past her prime
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 06:32 PM
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women over 145 lbs TRPers: I only want skinny hot chicks Also TRPers: obese women can have sex with Chad all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 06:20 PM
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That's mostly gang members killing members of other gang members. In countries without gang violence women are much more likely to end up as victims of violence or murdered.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 06:17 PM
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They do go on dates, so where's the paranoia? If they were paranoid they'd stay at home
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 06:15 PM
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So how does it make what they're saying less valid? Just because it's valid for them doesn't mean it's valid for men in general. That's like people with dwarfism complaining that no one could reach the top shelf.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 06:14 PM
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You're the one stating she is literally risking her life at this crowded place from the first meeting murderer type? That's the strawman scenario you were creating. I said that women meet strangers in bars or restaurants because it's a safe environment, instead of going on boating trips with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 06:09 PM
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TRPers: won't date older women because they just know she won't love them TRPers: won't date women that have had sex before because us just know she will cheat on them TRPers: won't ever admit to any negative feelings because they just know that she will leave them for a emotionally-stunted guy Also TRPers: women are stupid and paranoid for being afraid of going to secluded places with strangers, what's even supposed to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 06:07 PM
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That's what might happen? Obviously the strawman scenario you are creating won't happen exactly like that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 06:04 PM
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She sounds hot
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:47 PM
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New series on Hulu
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:44 PM
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The same study shows that overweight, obese and obese III people have significantly more sexual partners than other people. Do you seriously believe that study? Yeah, fat people have less self-control and are more impulsive so I don't see why fat people wouldn't have more sex with other fat people. It seems that women care more about looks than men. For women, "medium" starts at 80 percentile vs 50 percentile for men. If they cared more their messaging and reply pattern would show that. But what…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:31 PM
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why you're suddenly interested in dating the same type of guy you abhored in your twenties But those guys matured during that time and now are also different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:11 PM
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Doubt that it matters to them at all, considering they don't care about facts at all. They probably ignore it by assuming that those 64% of men are all top 20% Chads
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:09 PM
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Do you have any stats to prove your "80/20" theory that isn't from online dating? Not even the OkCupid data proves it to be correct, and in fact shows the very opposite. Only Tinder which is generally aimed at a more visual and shallow audience apparently does
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:05 PM
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The study you link didn't provide a gender breakdown, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree there huh? "64% of men and 44% of women reported that their cross-sex friends became their sexual partners." It's telling that all your links are gender neutral yet you ascribe the negative aspects of them to men. I'm not ascribing them to men. I've been using those studies to show where the absurd beliefs of TRPers are coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:26 PM
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I'm sorry you feel that way. Wait... you are sorry that I've had nice, caring, empathetic female friends? I'm sorry that you haven't ever had genuine friendship with women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:11 PM
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With my female friends I'm talking about what's happening in our personal life's, people, music, art, health, diet, astrology, politics, social progress, animals and biology, plants, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:02 PM
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Everytime I see a couple I see nothing but fakeness in it but that's just my opinion. I had very terrible and bad experience with woman since my early childhood and that's why I don't believe them anymore or have the need to protect and help them. That sounds like the dictionary definition of a dismissive-avoidant attachment style. https://www.envisionwellness.co/dismissive-avoidant-attachment-in-adults/ Even though those with dismissive avoidant attachment can look fiercely independent (even to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:56 PM
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'friendzone' implies that being friends is the problem, while 'not making her hot'-zone is clearer about where the problem is coming from
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:44 PM
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That's obviously implied in that comment
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:36 PM
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Yeah that's why I'm wondering which side of the moon you are from, considering you've never seen a normal woman in real life. Really interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:23 PM
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But again, play it out for me,.what do they might happen? We're at a busy public place, everything on camera That's because you are setting up a strawman. The restaurant isn't the scary place
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:22 PM
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Does it occur to them that this never happens in the real world where it's almost always a boyfriend/husband and not a guy on a dating app first meet? No news events of this happening, right? That's not because strangers are safe. That's because they keep away from them. "why are people so afraid of getting attacked by lions? You are much more likely to get attacked by a dog"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:17 PM
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This thread: tell me you've never dated a woman or been friends with them without telling me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:13 PM
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They meet some guy organically at a wine/beer festival = he's probably safe, enjoy your date! They can get an impression of him in a safe environment. The bouncer, barkeeper or other girls knows him and can vet for him. People see them together and if she gets lost the chances are higher that they catch him. They meet the exact same guy from a match.com profile = caution! Don't go to that restaurant, he might murder you ! Tell a friend, be safe!! He's a complete stranger and they don't know what…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:12 PM
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Why do so many black pillers use female avatars?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 01:05 PM
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But if we're being fair, how do college students make a good pool to compare to the entire sexual marketplace which spans a lot more ages and demographics than "college student"? So you have no problem relying entirely on questionable Tinder stats, but somehow basing it on college students makes it completely useless? You do realize that most hookups and relationships start with people that someone knows through friends or work and not with strangers you meet on Tinder?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:48 PM
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I have literally never seen a woman do any of this. Which side of the moon do you live on?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:44 PM
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Based on what he thinks what friendships with women are he clearly hasn't. Me: The vast majority of men over the age of 12 have female friends. Him: Simping and friendzone are real we all know that. He thinks that friendships with women are useless, because he thinks that it's all about simping for women and ending up in the friendzone. Of course he thinks those aren't genuine friendships, considering he obviously never has had genuine friendship with any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:41 PM
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Thats why i said most men. Yes, because you apply your personal feelings to most men. In reality only a tiny minority of men have no interest in cross-sex friendships. Simping and friendzone are real we all know that. Again: don't apply your personal experiences to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:35 PM
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I just feel many women haven’t had the need to develop personalities. Most people don't have personalities. Or do you think that "being interested in cars" is somehow more of a personality than "being interested in art", or that "watching sports" is somehow more of a personality than "watching dramas"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:33 PM
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doesn't change hypergamy TRPers blaming women for having high standards instead of accepting that they are on the very bottom of the barrel doesn't make hypergamy true. According to RP philosophy women have insanely high standards and only want the top percentiles of men, but that's only a coping mechanism they use to put the blame for their lack of success on women instead of actually looking deeper into their issues. Now let's take a look at a few factors and how they play out in reality. Heig…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:32 PM
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So you think one study of college students proves Tinder stats are upside down? How in the world do Tinder stats have anything to do with friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:30 PM
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its not that they cant but they cant in a way that most men find positive. Don't apply your feelings to all men. The vast majority of men over the age of 12 have female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:27 PM
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Or what "pleasing" means and why it's a negative. You know, women do annoying things like "being interested in you", "asking you how your day was", "trying to cheer you up when you are feeling down", etc just generally trying to please their friends. Ugh... who can stand that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:25 PM
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Second i think women make terrible friends because i do value human interaction. So how do women make terrible friends? Or does "human interaction" translate to "sitting around quietly and watching sports" to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:17 PM
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The impression I'm getting from TRPers is that they generally don't value normal human interaction, closeness, communication, bonding, having someone you can trust, shared history, having fun, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 11:58 AM
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Oh look, shaming language. Shocker. Oh look an emotional response instead of an argument. Shocker. If a group of 10 men and 10 women had 8 of the women and 2 of the men having sex, that is approximately half, yet which group is having the sex? That's not what's happening though. In reality it's 7 of the guys having sex with 3 of the women. TRPers got the 80/20s switched around. It's not that women are only attracted to the top 20% of men. It's just that they aren't attracted to the bottom 20% of…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 11:45 AM
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I left out obvious advantages of female friends like having someone around you, someone to party with, someone to communicate with, someone that can provide emotional support, etc because I know that they don't care about such gay beta cuck things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 11:40 AM
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I'm not trans
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 11:04 AM
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If I told you that this argument makes you sound like a mentally-retarded child, wouldn't you feel like it's a personal attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 10:04 AM
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If y'all really don't hate women "we don't hate women, we just believe they are mentally-retarded children that are the cause of all the evils in the world"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 09:55 AM
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RP men hate women so much that whenever someone makes them angry by disagreeing with their delusional beliefs they assume it must be a woman. It's no different than conservatives immediately assuming that someone must be non-white whenever they hear about crime happening
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 09:37 AM
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To put it very lightly : They do not like it and doing it as a man is social suicide. I treat women like humans and they like it. What exactly do they not like about the way you are treating them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 08:35 AM
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Not necessarily the sub, but anything that disagrees with the TRP claims that women are by nature mentally-retarded children that want to get raped by alpha dark triad assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 08:35 AM
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You will learn once you start to have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:40 PM
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I just felt like sharing those studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:18 PM
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Casual doesn't have to be one night stands with strangers though. Much more common are hookups with friends and acquaintances
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:48 PM
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If you go to a restaurant and eat great pizza, but get shitty pizza in another one, why would the onus be placed on your taste instead of the shitty restaurant?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:15 PM
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Because women have sex with various guys and thus know that some can get them to orgasm and other suck at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:04 PM
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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224499.2019.1672036?journalCode=hjsr20 Among women who had both casual and committed sex in the past year, orgasmic function and sexual satisfaction differed between these two relationship contexts only for more sexually restricted women (lower sociosexuality). It's not that they are bad at picking up guys that will make them orgasm. It's that sexually-conservative women can't enjoy casual sex as much as they have too many hangups
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:16 AM
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It's not wrong for the subset of sexually-unrestricted women. Sexually-restricted women are too anxious and conservative to enjoy casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:08 AM
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Yeah the 80/20 rule is just a mental defense mechanism these guys invented, as it allows them to blame women for only being attracted to the most attractive guys, instead of having to accept that they are among the least unattractive guys. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631 All six studies provide compelling evidence that self-ratings of unattractive people mostly differ from how others perceive their attractiveness. In fact, relative to ratings by strangers, all studies…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:05 AM
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then you would get more then 40% orgasms in casual dating That's the same orgasm rate as in committed sex. The sexual satisfaction between casual and committed sex is the same. If they were bad at figuring this out this number would be lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:52 AM
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I can't cum when I'm on coke or speed, and those drugs often lead to hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:45 AM
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No surprise. Most of the guys here talk about women, sex and relationships like they've never even seen a woman in real life. Why do all these virgins think that their complete lack of sexual experience makes them experts on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:43 AM
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How virginal and autistic are most of the guys here? In my thread about casual sex and orgasms there are so many guys that claim that it's impossible for women to tell what guys will be more likely to give them orgasms. And when I tell them that women can notice if he's a good dancer and has rhythm, is able to pick up on hints and nonverbal communication, is fun and easy going, etc they respond that none of those things have anything to do with sex... like, just how virginal and out of the loop …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:22 AM
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Since there is little to no way for a women to know if a casual sexual partner will be able to give them an orgasm this info is useless. Flirting exists. They can figure out if he's fun, able to pick up on hints, willing to listen to feedback, a good dancer, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:17 AM
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How come women report such bad experiences from casual sex The orgasm rate and sexual satisfaction is the same for casual sex and committed sex though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:14 AM
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Just five minutes ago you said that women can't get horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:41 PM
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You can't get horny, so how are you supposed to know how other women would react to my face?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:36 PM
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You’re a 10/10 for delusional if you think girls are horny Considering you are a woman and not some incel: that's your problem, but not some issue that all women have You don't have a sex drive and that's why you are so angry and bitter. You should get that checked out, because normal women certainly can be horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:34 PM
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Funnily enough, they are usually terrible at selecting a guy that is likely to provide these orgasms The orgasm rate and sexual satisfaction is the same for casual sex and committed sex though, so they couldn't be that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:28 PM
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I probably look better than the girls you fucked I'm attracted to girls that look at me horny and are fun, not some insecure ones like you that don't even like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:27 PM
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Why not though? Hotter guys are more likely to make her cum. And flirting exists. Your vibe and everything show her if you got it or not. Your dancing skills show her if you've got rhythm and can go along with the flow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:25 PM
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That's what they say to impress guys. That's not what they are doing with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:44 PM
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The men women fuck casually generally are not going to care. Then why do women report the same amount of orgasms and sexual pleasure for casual sex and committed sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:43 PM
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I'm sorry for you if girls never were horny for you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:38 PM
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Out of curiosity how do you externally signal that you can give women orgasms? Being hot. Being able to pick up on hints and nonverbal communication. Being a good dancer. Being fun to be around. Bulge.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:34 PM
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it’s so confusing how a lot of guys don’t know where the clit is lmao They know. They just don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:48 PM
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This guy fucks
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:42 PM
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As a hot guy I can confirm all of that to be true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:52 PM
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The idea that some men have here that hot men are just somehow worse at everything they do just hadn’t been my experience It's jealousy: Hot men are stupid. Hot men are assholes. Hot men are lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:51 PM
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A MGTOW is someone who is in a position to actually have a relationship and chooses not to for whatever reason. That's what they say, but if they had the chance they would do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:29 PM
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Tell that to girls that check out my bulge or grind against it, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:16 PM
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It's really easy to figure this out during flirting. Sexier men. Men that seem experienced. Men that are great dancers. Fun men that are able to listen. Bulge.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:39 PM
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Oh, yeah… It’s his “great personality” right? Did you even read anything I wrote? My sources clearly state that women choose sexy instead of boyfriend-material guys for casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:38 PM
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My friends who orgasm with little effort (or know their body really well) enjoy casual sex Yeah that's basically why I made this post. The women on Reddit often complain that casual sex is bad because women won't have an orgasm, but in my experience that was never a problem as hookups always seemed to have an easy time achieving orgasm. So it makes sense that women that have an easy time achieving orgasm would be more likely to engage in casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:35 PM
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This also explains the phenomenon of 'boyfriend dick', or why women prefer bigger dicks for casual sex. If an orgasm is all they care about size matters much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:29 PM
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Hard to get excited when you have no guarantee youll even get an orgasm. Or worse, someone who just jackhammers straight away without doing any foreplay. Bad sex for men is boring. Bad sex for women is painful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:25 PM
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piezoelectricity That's what makes those electric lighters work. It's materials that create electric charge under pressure
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:21 PM
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PUA: use pickup lines bro TRP: hit the gym bro, btw women are mentally retarded children Black pill: nothing will help a short bald man MGTOW: pretending to not want relationships instead of admitting to yourself that women do not want you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:19 PM
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“Insecure” is generally the insult used by triggered sluts It's ironic that you use the word 'triggered', considering that you got so triggered by the word 'insecure' that you had to shout in all caps.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:16 AM
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Those studies have shown that the divorce rate is the same for people that have had 2 and 21 partners. The only thing they've actually shown is that highly religious people (who are obviously the only ones that have 0 previous partners) are less likely to divorce because they are afraid of getting kicked out of their religious community.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:10 AM
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why do the trampy people always seem to try and get with those who have a very modest sexual history In reality there's significant matching in the number of partners: studs usually end up dating sluts, even though they could go for low N-count women, but they simply don't care about virginity because they aren't insecurely worrying that she had a better partner before him http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1232690 For long-term relationships, in contrast, there was virtua…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:08 AM
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And when I look at our closest relatives I see that Bonobos aren't living like that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:12 AM
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Like I said: you guys see what you want to see
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:05 AM
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And at the same time the fact that most women are dating guys that are nice and respectful doesn't make you guys pause and take note. The fact that most women are afraid and creeped out by dark triad guys doesn't make you guys pause and take note. You just see what you want to see, even if it means basing your understanding of attraction on an extremely tiny minority of crazy women that are attracted to serial killers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 08:56 AM
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Isn't it funny how extremely selective TRPers are when it comes to outliers? 1 in 3 women date a man that isn't tall: doesn't matter, those are just outliers, all women want a 6'4" tall man 1 in 100.000.000 women write love letters to serial killers in prison: those are perfect proof that all women are attracted to assholes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 08:36 AM
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The problem isn't having standards. No one cares if you say "I personally don't want to date obese women as I'm not attracted to them" or "I don't want to date women that have had previous sexual partners as I'm insecure and worried" People only care if you say stuff like "fat women are fucking ugly and should be ashamed of themselves" or "sluts are fucking whores and no man wants them"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 04:15 PM
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The social risk of a FWB not working out is extremely high in a tight-knit circle of friends In tight-knit circle of friends everyone will have had sex with almost everyone else over the course of a couple of years, as FWB are completely normal nowadays. Yeah, no. This is extremely rare and precisely the reason most women DON'T want to engage in FWB with men they are already good friends with. It's not rare though, not according to my personal experience and not according to research https://www…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 09:49 AM
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If women rate most men as below average that means looks actually matter to them. Not if the looks don't factor all that much into their messaging and response rates
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 04:15 PM
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Opening someone's history is like reading their diary. You are not supposed to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 01:54 PM
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"just make up something and you'll get the answer that I desperately want to be true"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 12:19 PM
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In reality "women have such high standards" is just a mental defense mechanism of TRPers that allows them to blame women instead of accepting their own flaws. According to RP philosophy women have insanely high standards and only want the top percentiles of men, but that's only a coping mechanism they use to put the blame for their lack of success on women instead of actually looking deeper into their own issues. Let's take a look at a few factors and how they play out in reality. Height Red Pil…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 12:00 PM
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I'm always surprised how little documentaries about him focus on the fact that he was a victim of MK Ultra mind control experiments.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 11:58 AM
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I think it really just shows how men are more rational, and naturally created an almost perfect normal distribution of attractiveness. And then primarily responded to and messaged the hottest women, while women the messaging and response patterns of women follow a neat normal distribution. OkCupid proves that looks matter much less to women and that it's men that have high standards, which they state several times throughout their blog post.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 11:57 AM
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The whole "women rate 80% of men as unattractive" is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of what OkCupid actually reported, because TRPers do not care facts at all. In reality it's men that have higher standards in regards to looks, while looks don't matter all that much to women. According to RP philosophy women have insanely high standards and only want the top percentiles of men, but that's only a coping mechanism they use to put the blame for their lack of success on women instead of actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 11:55 AM
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REALLY BIG That's only true for black pornstars. There's plenty of white pornstars with average or only slightly above dicks. Like Chuck from Tugjobs is tiny, Ron Jeremy was super successful and looks average, Criss Strokes has a top 10% dick, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 09:58 AM
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What women needs to pay for sex? Old, ugly and fat ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 09:52 AM
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This isn't the 50s anymore where marriage was a special event. Nowadays marriage is often just a necessity for better tax rates
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 11:53 PM
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Why do I have to make up my mind? I've been pretty clear in stating that no one is disputing the need to differentiate All I'm disputing is that it's a biological fact that pink is for girls and blue for boys
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 11:27 PM
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This isn't the 50s anymore where it's the first time they are allowed to have sex. Nowadays people party afterwards and are often too wasted to have sex that night after having such an exhausting day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 11:21 PM
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So then children who where 16 and felt like adults would be able to do things only 18+ year olds could do by law People mature at different rates, so why would basing it on an arbitrary limit like 18 be any more objective than basing it on their individual rate of maturity? This create problems as we do not live in a perfect world. So removing the objective measure of what a woman is can create confusion What is the objective measure for being a woman in the first place? Is it their sex? How do …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 11:18 PM
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Why are American women only going for the top 20% or top 10% of men ? Because the idea that women have such incredibly high standards is simply a mental defense mechanism that the bottom 5% of guys use to blame women instead of accepting that they are on the very bottom of the barrel. Most of the guys here wouldn't have such problems if they took a shower, got a haircut went out and had fun instead of whining online all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 05:54 PM
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From link 7: “While sex reassignment treatment is an effective therapy for transsexuals, also in the long term, the postoperative transsexual remains a fragile person in some respects.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating g…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:15 PM
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The author of that study itself said that it helped to lower the suicidality but that additional therapy is still needed, but you are claiming that it didn't help at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:29 PM
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But there is no biological core for blue being masculine and pink being feminine, which is why it's a gender difference and not a sex difference
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:28 PM
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I don’t listen to Ben Shapiro. I read the actual study. It was by Dhejne, Lichtenstein and others. And you randomly came to the exact same misunderstanding that Ben Shapiro made up and which made Dhejne herself issue a statement debunking it? I'm not buying it They found gender affirming surgery helps tremendously with reducing dysphoria, but not with suicide. It didn't even compare the rates before and after. It compared it to the general population and said that it's higher compared to the gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:43 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/opinion/pentagon-transgender.html Our findings make it indisputable that gender transition has a positive effect on transgender well-being. We identified 56 studies published since 1991 that directly assessed the effect of gender transition on the mental well-being of transgender individuals. The vast majority of the studies, 93 percent, found that gender transition improved the overall well-being of transgender subjects, making them more likely to enjoy improv…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:34 PM
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Same with the suicide rates for transgender individuals. The most comprehensive, long term study I’ve ever seen done about this showed that sex reassignment isn’t effective in combatting the suicide rates That's because you didn't look at the study yourself but instead listened to a liar like Ben Shapiro. That Swedish study is one of the most misquoted studies, as it showed that it helps but that didn't help right wing grifters from lying about it all the time. All the available evidence shows t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:33 PM
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Micropeens are several inches smaller than the average length, but a pencil dick is just one inch or more thinner than the average? Micropenises are defined as being 2.5 standard deviations below average, so defining a pencil dick as 2 standard deviations below average isn't that far off. but a pencil dick is just one inch or more thinner than the average? Which makes a lot of difference when it comes to area/volume. A penis with 5 inch girth has nearly twice the volume of one with 4 inch girth,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:07 PM
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Every different aspect worth talking about is biologically dimorphic including the toys. thats the point you opposed. Where did I oppose this? boys and girls do pick different toys based on biology. Which is exactly what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:00 PM
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That's the point between this distinction. The important, robust, biological ones are sex differences, while gender differences refer to arbitrary cultural ones like pink for women, women not being suited for computer science, men not being allowed to show emotions, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:00 PM
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Average erect dick size = 5.3 inches. That's another pet peeve of mine, as all the commonly cited Metastudies, like the Veale Meta-Analysis or the King Meta-Analysis, on average dick size artificially lower the average by: mixing up BP and NBP measurements Most studies measure bone-pressed, but for example for Wessels et al 1996 they used the 5.1" NBP measurement even though it also provided a 6.2" BP measurement and they also used the NBP measurements for Promodu 2007 and Sengezar 2002. For the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:58 PM
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So if a biological female likes blue that means she's a man? When the Rapper Cam'ron used to wear pink fur coats he was actually a woman according to you. Nice strawman! Who the hell is defining man or woman by color preferences? I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:47 PM
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That doesn't make sense considering that the average girth is only a few centimeters larger. Average medically-measured girth in the West is close to 5" Ali & Ali 2012 found an average girth of 4.96" Lifestyle Condoms 2001 found an average of 4.97" Wessels 1996 found an average of 4.84" And with a standard deviation of about half an inch it means that 95% of men are over 4" girth
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:45 PM
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The biological core is the need for distinction between the sexes. Which isn't disputed. "gender is a social construct" is merely about finding out how different cultures made those distinctions and which of these distinctions are sex/biological differences and which are gender/cultural differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:35 PM
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small hole that's only about 3.5 inches deep That's a pet peeve of mine, as everyone quotes wrong data. Those studies are always talking about unaroused vaginas and only measure to the tip of the cervix. When aroused their cervix moves up and out of the way, her vagina balloons up and expands to twice the size. https://www.saleemanoon.com/blog/2019/03/13-things-you-should-know-about-your-vagina/ Unaroused, the average vagina is about three to four inches deep. But during sex it can expand to abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:30 PM
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The average girth preference and the most commonly sold dildos are about average girth, or only minimally larger. So average girth is good enough for most women, so a pencil dick is probably like 4" around or smaller
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:27 PM
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You are placing the blame on the wrong side. Vaginal width and penis girth have the same standard deviation, but vaginas have an average width that's more than a standard deviation lower than average girth. Most vaginas, even those at the top of the scale, experience a bit of stretch with average dicks, so the main problem are experienced by guys with very thin dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:25 PM
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Me: We used to think that toy preferences are a gender difference, but then we noticed that boys from all cultures and even primates prefer toys over dolls so now it's recognizes as a sex difference. Some genius: no. toys are indeed gender specific. Its rooted in biochemistry. Me: Did you even read what I wrote? That genius: I did. Its proven for decades. you wrote is was proven to be wrong, which is wrong. There have not been any studies disproving what is known. Its all fake studies payed by e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:54 PM
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I did And why are you lying? Everyone can clearly see that you accused me of calling the differences in toy preferences wrong even though I clearly said that they exist among all cultures and even for primates It's okay to admit that you've been wrong. No need to double down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:45 PM
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That's because you don't understand words. Sex refers to biological facts while gender refers to cultural factors. They are sex differences because they are biological differences. Gender differences refer to cultural differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:33 PM
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Brain scans prove that their feelings are facts though. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/ Transgender women tend to have brain structures that resemble cisgender women, rather than cisgender men. Two sexually dimorphic (differing between men and women) areas of the brain are often compared between men and women. The bed nucleus of the stria terminalus (BSTc) and sexually dimorphic nucleus of transgender women are more similar to those of cisgender …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:26 PM
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Can somebody explain to me how gender is a “social construct” that can be changed at will, but race is biological fact that can never be altered No one is saying that it can be changed at will. People that are arguing that transgender people should be allowed to identify as their preferred gender are arguing that they were born in the wrong body, which can be proven with brain scans. You can do a brain scan to see that a transgender woman has a feminine brain, but there's no racial analogy to ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:24 PM
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That's because you are arguing against a strawman. People that defend the right for transgender people to identify as their preferred gender are arguing that transgender people were born in the wrong body, which can be proven by brain scans.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:22 PM
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Just because a tiny minority of people exist whose bodies don't process hormones correctly, it doesn't negate the definition of man and woman for the other 99.995% The definition of man and woman for the 99% isn't in question. The transgender and intersex discussion is exclusively about those where the hormones weren't processed correctly, so it isn't a strawman argument but merely pointing out that those outliers don't fit into your oversimplified system.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:19 PM
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You clearly didn't read what I wrote "Like we used to think that toy preferences are a gender difference, but then we noticed that boys from all cultures and even primates prefer toys over dolls so now it's recognizes as a sex difference." I wrote that it was proven to be true, which is why it's now considered to be a sex difference. Stop calling things bullshit if you can't even be bothered to read them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:17 PM
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you wrote is was proven to be wrong, which is wrong You didn't even read what I wrote... I wrote that it was proven to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:07 PM
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A man is an adult male with xy chromosomes. A female has xx. Your feelings don't change your chromosomes. And chromosomes don't matter as much as you think What about XX males or XY females? Chromosomes are just a building plan, but that plan isn't always followed if the wrong amount of hormones are present. What about intersex? What about people that have a different sex in their brain compared to the rest of their body? Biology is messy and complex so your extremely oversimplified system can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 02:33 PM
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no. toys are indeed gender specific. Its rooted in biochemistry Did you even read anything I just wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 02:30 PM
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we are not talking about arbitrary stuff like that That's what the distinction between sex and gender is about though. Biological factors are sex differences while cultural factors are gender differences. Like we used to think that toy preferences are a gender difference, but then we noticed that boys from all cultures and even primates prefer toys over dolls so now it's recognizes as a sex difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 01:01 PM
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But what I do think is pseudo science is the fact that gender and sex are completely separate because gender is socially constructed. That's simply a misunderstanding
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:51 AM
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Because different problems require different solutions. Gender dysphoria is not the same as body dysmorphia. People with gender dysphoria were born in the wrong body as the sex of their brain doesn't align with the sex of the rest of their body, while people with body dysmorphia are confused. Transitioning helps immensely to reduce their suicide rate and to increase their mental health, while the same isn't true for body dysmorphia.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:50 AM
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Women is a social term that belongs to adult female human so changing it to anyone can be a woman crushes utility of the word. But no one is saying that anyone can be a woman. They are arguing that people that were born in the wrong body are women, so they are basing it on the sex of the brain instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:48 AM
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Where did this come from? https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/when-did-girls-start-wearing-pink-1370097/ For example, a June 1918 article from the trade publication Earnshaw's Infants' Department said, “The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.” Other sources said blue was flattering for bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:27 AM
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We need social constructs like gender, because sex isn't always as straightforward. Biology is complex and messy, so social constructs helps us to define arbitrary boundaries to make it fit into two boxes. If you define a woman as being an adult human female then you run into problem of defining what it even means to be female, and that's not as clear cut as some people make it out to be, as there are always outliers that don't fit neatly into an oversimplified system Is it the chromosomes? But …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:18 AM
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A woman is an adult human female. But what does it mean to be female? It's not as clear cut as you make it out to be, as there are always outliers that don't fit neatly into your system Is it the chromosomes? But then what about XX males? Chromosomes are just a plan, but that plan isn't always followed. Is it their sexual organs? But what about intersex people or people that have had surgery? What about people where the sex isn't the same across the whole body? Brain scans show that the brains o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:15 AM
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There is also a clear lack of objective measures of what it means to be an adult. Are you an adult if you turn 21? That doesn't make a lot of sense objectively as people mature at different rates, and as different cultures set the age limit differently. Other cultures don't even have a age limit and set it based on performance, like you are an adult once you live in your own home and work to support yourself which could start even lower while you are biologically still a teenager. Similarly cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:10 AM
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gender=sex Gender refers to societal aspects, like pink being feminine or suits being for men. Sex refers to biological aspects, like males generally being taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:03 AM
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Can you show an example, please? I've never, ever heard this. Here is baby Roosevelt in a pink dress. Pink became feminine in the 1940s, before that it was seen as a boyish version of the manly red. Similarly the idea that long hair is feminine and short hair masculine is also a rather recent development and not the same in every culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:02 AM
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They have sex roles, but they don't have gender roles as they don't have culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:59 AM
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You are confusing gender ROLES with gender. The two terms are very distinct. Roles are fluid and determined by society. GENDER is comprised of physical characteristics that can only be changed through extraordinary means, such as surgery and hormone therapy. You are confusing things. Gender refers to the cultural aspects like gender roles, while sex refers to the biological aspect like sex differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:58 AM
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Any social differences have a biological core Where exactly in biology does it state that it's natural that girls have to wear pink and boys blue?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:57 AM
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There is a huge misunderstanding going on what "social construct" means. Something being social construct doesn't mean that it isn't based on something biological. Adulthood is a social construct, even though you biologically mature. Biologically you reach maturity at like 28, but socially you are considered to be an adult at 21 and 18 year olds can be legally tried as adults. Adulthood is a social construct, because the cultural definition of being an adult isn't the same everywhere or in every…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:56 AM
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It's completely normal to develop feelings for a friend and no one is going to be mad at you for it. What's not acceptable is just pretending that you want to be friends even though you only want to get into her pants. Friends with benefits are normal nowadays and if you were already good friends to begin with it most likely will either turn into a relationship or you'll end up being even closer friends. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/strictly-casual/201402/what-happens-after-friends-be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:45 AM
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I don't know why anyone would need a PPD discord, as it's much more focused on gaming with group voice chat, sharing your screen and such. It even connects with gaming platform to show what game you are currently playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:37 AM
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WhatsApp and Skype/Zoom/Teams for Gamers
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:30 AM
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That's why BP is the scientifically accepted way of measuring
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:57 AM
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According to the CalcSD Veale+ dataset (which is the most accurate for the US) 6 inch NBP is top 83% so it's about as common as 1 in 5
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 07:38 PM
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It defaults to the global average though, which is lower for obvious reasons. And even their Western average is primarily based on studies from the Middle East, that are actually closer to the Eastern average. The Veale+ BP dataset is the most accurate for data in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 07:36 PM
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Everyone always gives the amount they make before taxes. Mavbe she's not from the US Outside the US stores even write the actual prices instead of lying by writing the prices before taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 07:33 PM
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That's NBP, but all other studies measure BP and it's the generally agreed upon measurement on the internet so it's pretty disingenuous to use the NBP measurement Functionalities length is what matters, but not visible length
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:47 PM
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According to Wessels et al 1996 the medically measured average of US men is 15.74cm or 6.2 inch,
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:39 PM
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Still, it shows that medically-measured studies on western men range from 5.9 - 6.6" and that the only ones that have power results have been done exclusively on men with ED which has been shown by several studies to significantly decrease size
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:37 PM
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It sounds rock solid, as they have merely fixed flaws by using BP measurements throughout, removing studies that were done exclusively on men with ED as it's known to decrease size and removing studies done on malnourished teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:31 PM
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Globally the average is 5.5", but it's 6.2" in the western world. Despite the US generally being so focused on penis size there's actually only one valid study, which is Wessels et al 1996 that found an average of 15.74cm or 6.2 inch, which also aligns with the overall western average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:20 PM
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Bone-pressed and non-bone-pressed. BP is how all valid studies and most guys measure, it's by pushing the ruler into the fat pad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:18 PM
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You are citing the King Meta-Analysis which is incredibly flawed and is actively lowering that average by mixing up BP and NBP measurements Most studies measure bone-pressed, but for example for Wessels et al 1996 they used the 5.1" NBP measurement even though it also provided a 6.2" BP measurement and also used the NBP measurements for Promodu 2007 and Sengezar 2002 ignoring higher results They ignored the 6.6" of Bondil et al 1992 because they argue that it's an outlier as it's much higher tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:16 PM
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This is medically-measured BP
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:03 PM
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Considering that average in the US is 6.2" that's really not a high standard. Also what kind of religious women do you hang out with that claim that they don't like sex all that much?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:01 PM
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"no man would want to date a slut" is a really good example of TRPers using their solipsism to generalize all men. In reality there's significant matching in the number of partners: studs usually end up dating sluts, even though they could go for low N-count women, but they simply don't care about virginity because they aren't insecurely worrying that she had a better partner before him And what the virgins of the manosphere claim in reality most men don't care - in reality more women are put of…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:35 PM
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"no man would want to date a slut" is a really good example of TRPers using their solipsism to generalize all men. In reality there's significant matching in the number of partners: studs usually end up dating sluts, even though they could go for low N-count women, but they simply don't care about virginity because they aren't insecurely worrying that she had a better partner before him Despite what the virgins of the manosphere claim in reality most men don't care. They are just trying to come …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:33 PM
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In addition to role-playing as dark triad men in order to attract similarly manipulative, illoyal and selfish women TRP is actually the dictionary definition of a dismissive-avoidant attachment style: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/compassion-matters/201307/how-your-attachment-style-impacts-your-relationship For example, the person with a working model of anxious/preoccupied attachment feels that, in order to get close to someone and have your needs met, you need to be with your partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:28 PM
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Are guys that work out and socially confident getting dates? That's run-off-the-mill mainstream dating advice. TRP is setting itself apart with AWALT, dread game, treating her like a child, holding frame, acting like a dark triad man, not giving any shit about her, not showing any feelings, not allowing romance, believing that men are inherently superior, desperate need to appear masculine, etc TRP is actually the dictionary definition of a dismissive-avoidant attachment style: https://www.psych…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:20 PM
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Here's how TRP explains 'female nature' aka what they think All Women Are Like: https://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tcvz4/why_you_shouldnt_explain_female_nature_to_women/ Women are mentally handicapped as a factory setting upon birth to allow them to navigate the sexual market place to their advantage with optimized efficiency (no cognitive dissonance) while pursuing the female imperative. Nature has sabotaged their psyche with installments of inhibitory components and psychological def…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:12 PM
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Here's how TRP explains 'female nature' aka what they think All Women Are Like: https://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tcvz4/why_you_shouldnt_explain_female_nature_to_women/ Women are mentally handicapped as a factory setting upon birth to allow them to navigate the sexual market place to their advantage with optimized efficiency (no cognitive dissonance) while pursuing the female imperative. Nature has sabotaged their psyche with installments of inhibitory components and psychological def…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:09 PM
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successful with women who aren't like me Here's how TRP explains 'female nature' aka what they think All Women Are Like: https://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tcvz4/why_you_shouldnt_explain_female_nature_to_women/ Women are mentally handicapped as a factory setting upon birth to allow them to navigate the sexual market place to their advantage with optimized efficiency (no cognitive dissonance) while pursuing the female imperative. Nature has sabotaged their psyche with installments of in…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:07 PM
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Continuing: Just take a look at how TRP explains 'female nature' aka what they think All Women Are Like and tell me if that sounds like a healthy view that's based on interacting with normal women: https://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tcvz4/why_you_shouldnt_explain_female_nature_to_women/ Women are mentally handicapped as a factory setting upon birth to allow them to navigate the sexual market place to their advantage with optimized efficiency (no cognitive dissonance) while pursuing the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:04 PM
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TRP is self-reinforcing cycle. It works - but only for shitty relationships with drama-prone, manipulative, illogical, illoyal and childlike women. They assume that women are AWALT, but they also use tricks that work best on AWALT women and make normal women run away, which in turn reinforces their beliefs that AWALT http://theconversation.com/do-women-really-go-for-bad-boys-heres-the-science-that-settles-the-question-59409 In another study, participants who read dating apps in which people desc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:00 PM
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OK. she took him back after he was ROR'd. She didn't. He showed up at her house and killed her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 06:12 PM
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I'm pretty sure most people here are socially retarded and don't understand how normal people talk. When people say that they want a partner that's X it's also implicitly given that they want them to have a pulse, to not having a disability, to not having some kind of disease, etc Similar to how "I just want a pepperoni pizza" also contains several other factors like it not being burnt, it not being small, it not being dirty, containing cheese and sauce as well, etc Normal people just aren't usi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 06:35 PM
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Sex is almost never penetration alone though, as you can always grind your hips against her, or she can use some fingers. The main point still stands that 70% of women can cum from penetration and that for 70% of women penetration is the most appealing and most important aspect of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 04:12 PM
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First, that study asked about their latest sexual encounter, but not about what they can do in general. Secondly, 70% stated that they can cum from penetration, it's just that half of them require additional clitoral stimulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 04:08 PM
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Yes, functional length is BP, as you'll get to the NBP if you remove the fat pad depth
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 12:28 PM
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Not self-reported. Using correct measurement techniques (bone-pressed measurements, and using maximum tension for stretched length). Being based on adults (some studies were done on teenagers that still have some growing to do) Being based on a normal population (some studies were done exclusively on men with ED even though it has been shown to significantly decrease size)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 12:08 PM
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Women who regularly cum from penetration alone are the minority, aren't they? According to studies 30% came from penetration the last time they had sex with an additional 40% having cum from penetration with additional clitoral stimulation. Women that can cum from penetration are seriously not in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 12:06 PM
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It's medically-measured by a researcher. And they measured both BPEL, NBPEL, BPSFL and NBPSFL And it's result is perfectly in the middle of all the studies that have been done on healthy western men. There's only been a handful of medically-measured studies on western men: Gabrich 2007 5.7" (84 18 year old Brazilians, BPSFL, the result is lower as 20% hadn't reached Tanner Stage 5 yet, which means they still have some growing to do) Schneider 2001 5.7" (111 18-19 year old Germans, BPEL, has the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 11:58 AM
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Globally the average is 5.5", but it's 6.2" in the western world. Despite the US generally being so focused on penis size there's actually only one valid study, which is Wessels et al 1996 that found an average of 15.74cm or 6.2 inch, which also aligns with the overall western average.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 11:57 AM
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Despite the US generally being so focused on penis size there's actually only one valid study, which is Wessels et al 1996 that found an average of 15.74cm or 6.2 inch, which also aligns with the overall western average.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 11:53 AM
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Your source is the extremely flawed King Meta-Analysis which is about the global average, but it's also actively lowering that average by mixing up BP and NBP measurements Most studies measure bone-pressed, but for example for Wessels et al 1996 they used the 5.1" NBP measurement even though it also provided a 6.2" BP measurement. ignoring higher results They ignored the 6.6" of Bondil et al 1992 because they argue that it's an outlier as it's much higher than the 5.1" of Wessels, but they compa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 11:52 AM
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Where are they located in the vulva? The A spot is deep inside if you aim upwards towards her belly button and the P spot is at the very end of her vaginal canal. https://www.thrillist.com/sex-dating/nation/posterior-fornix-cul-de-sac-vs-g-spot-orgasm What's being named the cul-de-sac is the area at the back of the vagina, behind the cervix. The vagina balloons out when a woman is sexually aroused, and space opens up away from the cervix, leaving room for penetration and friction. If you haven't…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 11:44 AM
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Despite the US generally being so focused on penis size there's actually only one valid study, which is Wessels et al 1996 that found an average of 15.74cm or 6.2 inch, which also aligns with the overall western average.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 11:24 AM
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Don't you have an above average length? He's above the global average, but below the US average. Using the global average is stupid though, because in the western world malnutrition and stunted growth are basically non-existent while the global average relies on several studies with heavily malnourished populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 10:55 AM
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You're not slightly smaller, you're a larger than the average. He's larger than the global average, but smaller than the US average. Some women can cum just from penetration, but many cannot. Most women can cum from penetration, only a few can not. Don't know why this is. Maybe it has to do with them not having a good g-spot. The G-spot is preferred for fingering, but for vaginal orgasms the A and P spots are much more likely to lead to intense and long-lasting orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 10:54 AM
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That's the problem whenever low value men use their solipsism to make claims about what high value men would do. "high value men wouldn't date a slut" - no, in reality high value men don't even consider women that have sex to be sluts because they know that women can enjoy sex as well. It's actually just low value men that are having issues with non-virgin women because they are afraid that she has had a better partner before "high value men will never get married" - no, the MGTOW lifestyle is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 10:40 AM
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"women with high n-counts are bad" - "why?" - "because a lock that's opened by many keys is a shitty lock"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 08:00 PM
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Why do TRPers seem to think that the existence of an analogy is proof that it's true?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 09:37 AM
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Guys that don't like sluts are afraid that she had a bigger guy before, which is more likely the more guys she had sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 09:30 AM
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Which is a NBP measurement, but all studies and all guys measure BP so we need to convert it. Assuming an average fat pad of 0.7" it follows that 6.3" NBP corresponds to 7" when measured correctly
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 09:17 AM
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"mate sharing" Don't you mean killing the other men in war and raping sex slaves?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 08:36 AM
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Nope, there are many other reasons not to like sluts. The most commonly mentioned ones here are "but she will have had a better partner" or "but she will cheat on me" similar insecurity-based arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 06:53 PM
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I've spoken to countless of men on the topic, out of which some were a high N count guys. Real men or online nerds in echo chambers that pretend to be high N count despite speaking about women and dating like absolute virgins?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 06:48 PM
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Both are facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 05:22 PM
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It's what's happening. High N count men obviously have more choice, but still choose to get into relationships with women with a similar high N count, because they usually don't have the same insecurity issues that a preference for low N count women is based on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 05:21 PM
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The only reason why most (average) men want to be in a relationship is because they can't keep up with the hookup culture. The hottest guys are usually in relationships with the hottest girls. It's the guys with the lowest standards and fear of commitment that are engaging in hookup culture the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 10:59 AM
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Another caveat is how much men care about the n-count of a woman. All men care, but to drastically different degrees. Again, if the man comes from a religious/traditional upbringing (sensing a trend here?), then he's likely going to be far more preoccupied over a woman's n-count over a man who didn't have said upbringing. "no man would want to date a slut" is a really good example of TRPers using their solipsism to generalize all men. Despite what the virgins of the manosphere claim in reality m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 10:58 AM
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“the vast majority of women don’t have or like casual sex” This is also a pet peeve of mine. Of course the introverted, anxious, shut-in women of Reddit aren't that much into casual sex, but the extroverted, outgoing, fun-loving women in the real world do. It's also often explained with "women don't like casual sex because they can't orgasm", which is also bullshit. Women that engage in casual sex have orgasms on the same rate as women in committed relationships. It's just that most of the women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 10:53 AM
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Americans have no beer culture
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 08:44 AM
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He's got what women want: humor and confidence
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 07:45 AM
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I wonder if men not being interessted in their partners sexual history is because beggars can't be choosers. It's the other way around. Insecure virginal men care because they are afraid, while successful and confident men don't care about her history because they know that women enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 01:21 PM
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Did it feel like entering like a second even tighter vagina? Could have been her P-spot People always talk about the G-spot, but the G-spot is for fingering. The A-spot and the P-spot are too deep for fingering, but usually much more pleasureable and lead to stronger, long lasting orgasms easier. https://www.thrillist.com/sex-dating/nation/posterior-fornix-cul-de-sac-vs-g-spot-orgasm What's being named the cul-de-sac is the area at the back of the vagina, behind the cervix. The vagina balloons o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 04:04 PM
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Wanting a partner who has similar goals and lifestyle as you would make more sense to me. Despite the virgins of the manosphere using their solipsism to claim that no man would want to date a woman with a high n-count, in reality it's actually just virgins that want virginal partners while studs prefer sluts. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2016.1232690 For long-term relationships, in contrast, there was virtually no sex difference. Thus, contrary to the idea that male promi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 02:42 PM
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Despite what the virgins of the manosphere claim in reality most men don't care, and they are just trying to come up with any justification for their insecurities that put the blame on women. https://www.bustle.com/articles/97433-more-women-than-men-care-about-a-new-partners-sexual-history-says-new-study-and-over Far more women than men want to know about their partner's sexual past, according to a new study by sex toy company Love honey. Not only do 36 percent of women want to know the intimate…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 02:41 PM
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Read the sidebar. It makes it clear that AWALT refers to the female nature that governs the behavior of ALL women. According to TRP if she hasn't shown AWALTy behavior yet she's just better at holding it back, but sooner or later she will prove that she's AWALT. Here's how TRP explains 'female nature' aka what they think All Women Are Like: https://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tcvz4/why_you_shouldnt_explain_female_nature_to_women/ Women are mentally handicapped as a factory setting upon …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 02:36 PM
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This says the opposite of what you say it does. That means women only want attractive men. Your proving the point you are trying to disprove. It shows that compared to men looks matter much less to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 07:12 PM
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Red Pill: all women are mentally retarded children that want to get raped by criminals Blue Pill: women are people with diverse tastes Purple Pill: centrists
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 07:35 AM
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You can, but it won't matter as none of them care about observable facts. Their feelings are the only thing that matter to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 01:28 AM
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In the post I mentioned that dark triad women are attracted to dark triad men, so I already mentioned that there's a subset of women that are attracted to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:33 PM
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Google did it. Jordan Peterson explained it in a short video what according to female google searches is the woman love plot story. Those are just the searches for erotica novels, which is a small and kinky subset of women that regularly read them. According to PornHub statistics a third of their viewers are women, and according to a survey by Perspectus Global only a fifth of women prefer erotica over watching porn. The porn searches of regular women are a whole lot tamer than the porn searches…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:41 PM
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You said, "women aren't attracted to X" Then we reach a point in the discussion where, lo and behold, we have examples of women who are attracted to X Let me quote myself here: "But that's only because TRPers can only ever read the headline of any article and don't care about the actual findings at all."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:37 PM
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Take a look at Hungary (Orban) and Austria (Kurz). People are so afraid of immigrants, lgbt rights and women's rights that they willingly vote for corrupt right-wing parties that openly undermine freedom of the press, freedom of speech and the rule of law. Orban already turned Hungary from a democracy into soft fascism, and Kurz recently did a Medvedev by stepping to the side after he was caught using tax-payer money to place fake polls in newspapers, and having a press conference before the rai…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:25 PM
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hybristophilia is real I don't care if a rare condition is real. I'm not interested in outliers. I want to know if you believe that it's true for the majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:09 PM
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And yet the criminals, thugs and gang members are getting way more than a frustrated dude who has been friendzoned. They have multiple kids from different women. Their baby mamas visit them in jail for sex. And yet the women they are dating are usually criminals themselves, or junkie chicks. Bullies have girlfriends while their victims tend to be lonely social outcasts. Male bullies usually date female bullies. Is that really what you are jealous of? I wouldn't even want to touch those women wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:24 PM
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TRPers describe themselves as average yet struggling with women, but that's only because unattractive people do not want to accept that they are unattractive, so they convince themselves that they are average and that the problem are the high standards of women. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631 All six studies provide compelling evidence that self-ratings of unattractive people mostly differ from how others perceive their attractiveness. In fact, relative to ratings by…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:16 PM
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According to RP philosophy women have insanely high standards and only want the top percentiles of men, but that's only a coping mechanism they use to put the blame for their lack of success on women instead of actually looking deeper into their own issues. Let's take a look at a few factors and how they play out in reality. Height Red Pillers claim that women are only attracted to the tallest 20% of men, but in reality height only matters if you are below 5'4", which only less than 4% of all me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:13 PM
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Hypergamy is just an excuse TRPers use to blame women for having insanely high standards instead of accepting that they are on the very bottom of the barrel
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:12 PM
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All I'm hearing from you is that my facts, evidence, studies and research simply don't count just because they disagree with your feelings. What is there to debate if you are completely unwilling to have an intellectual debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:52 PM
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You are still focusing on rare outliers, as the vast majority of women aren't hybristophiliac. The existence of a syndrome isn't proof that the majority of women suffer from it. You've got to show me other sources instead of sources that only mention that it exist and talk about women that have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:16 PM
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There was a post here on PPD that showed newer sources that couldn't reproduce the results and that showed that it's based on several flaws. I will look for that post and the sources it used.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:12 PM
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The only thing you rebutted is that men are the primary perpetrators of domestic violence. For everything else I talked about you just relied on your feelings instead of facts, because you desperately want to believe that women are attracted to assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:07 PM
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It being a well known condition (despite your own source calling it a little-known condition) doesn't prove that it's true for the majority of women. Those are rare outliers. Also, you clearly didn't even read your own source, as it states different reasons. The authors then attempted to classify the women according to personality type, and they found two prevalent personality traits: manipulativeness and feelings of inadequacy covered by a facade of self-sufficiency. This suggests that a prison…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:59 PM
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The ovulation theory has been debunked already. It was based on bad science, which is always the problem if you rely on business sites instead of scientific journals. During ovulation women aren't attracted to a different type of man. Their attraction in general simply increases. And from other reasearch we know that women that are attracted to bad boys are usually bad girls themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:50 PM
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I was referring to a different response Which are just DV statistics that don't prove anything regarding what women are attracted to, and half the comment is just based on your feelings that women are attracted to abusive men. You have never offered any evidence for anything substantial.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:47 PM
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I provided links that worked, and studies that proved my point. Why are you lying? Everyone can see that you did no such thing See, that's exactly why I'm not wasting my time 'debating' with you. You clearly don't care about facts at all and are only a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:32 PM
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but you really have to look up Hybristophilia in which throngs of women are highly attracted to criminals. I don't care about extreme outliers that have almost all been victims of prolonged childhood sexual abuse. I don't care if there are a few broken women that are attracted to criminals. I want to know how many TRPers actually believe that most women are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:29 PM
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The only one who pulled a temper tantrum was you. And what was there to discuss? I offered links, studies and research, but you just put your fingers in your ears and shouted that you know it better based on your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:25 PM
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You haven't answered the question. The fact that a few are attracted to gangsters doesn't prove that the majority is. Do you believe that more women are attracted to gangsters than to non-criminal men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:24 PM
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Women dont care if you're a criminal or not, they just want to date an attractive man. Do you mean women in general? Because as far as I know women that are attracted to criminals are mostly criminals themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:15 AM
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TRPers: the only men that are jealous of prisoners
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 09:08 AM
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Yes, that's exactly how homosexuality works...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 08:35 AM
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"a woman" =/= "all women" Can you really not tell the difference? Attraction to a subset of women isn't proof for attraction to women in general Having children isn't proof that they are attractive to women in general. Is that really impossible for you to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 08:23 AM
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That’s why I make love to prostitutes. I can think of plenty other reasons why you have to go to prostitutes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:00 AM
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His sources don't show anything regarding attraction though. Similarly alcoholics have more children than non-alcoholics, but that doesn't prove that women in general are attracted to alcoholics. It just proves that they have lower inhibitions and are worse at using protection. Can you not understand that having children isn't proof of attraction to most women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:57 AM
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Once you have sex for the first time you will see just how much fun it is and how little it aligns with those paranoid fantasies of yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:46 AM
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Because I didn't yet know that his comments have a virginity level of over 9000
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:41 AM
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If your power level is so high, why do your comments give me such a strong virgin vibe? For example: When a man wants sex from a woman = omg what a weird creep During sex with a woman = omg he better do most of the work and satisfy me After sex with a woman = omg he used me for sex!! None of that sounds fun None of that sounds like something someone that has ever had sex would say. That's what people that have learned about sex from outrage porn and online memes think.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:37 AM
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Sure, PussyEatingManiac we will all believe you that you are actually a catch. That's probably why you desperately have to convince online strangers that you are so amazing
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:23 AM
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A female friend of mine has had a tinder date with a guy that could have easily been a TRPer. She likes bodybuilders and prefers small dicks, which is a great combination according to her as one usually comes with the other but also a dangerous combination as it's often mixed with insecurity, creepiness and anger issues. Hit or miss, with nothing in between. She matched with a buff Pakistani guy and he just couldn't help it but to cockblock himself. The date was over after like 5 minutes as he s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:21 AM
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How did he dismantle anything? The fact that they have children shows that they are bad at using protection, but it doesn't show that women in general are attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:03 AM
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I don't see how insecurity is this big gotcha tho. Because: Women can be a lot more picky on physical traits for casual sex so if you're an average or worse guy and she's been with 20 people it's pretty much a garantee you're a noticable downgrade compared to a lot of if not most of her casual sex partners. She's likely been with taller, hotter, more endowed, more muscular, more experienced guys so realistically you are not the best or even close in any category. You're just the one she settles …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 06:56 PM
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There's an invisible /s at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 06:18 PM
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But it's evil if women do that because they didn't have sex with the antisocial virgins of TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 06:01 PM
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Despite what the virgins of the manosphere claim in reality most men don't care, and they are just trying to come up with any justification for their insecurities that put the blame on women. https://www.bustle.com/articles/97433-more-women-than-men-care-about-a-new-partners-sexual-history-says-new-study-and-over Far more women than men want to know about their partner's sexual past, according to a new study by sex toy company Love honey. Not only do 36 percent of women want to know the intimate…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:59 PM
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You can smile more, dress better and act confident without being a narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:46 PM
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TRP follows actual science Delusional rants by antisocial virgins are the very opposite of actual science.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:45 PM
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I'm well aware that you guys do not care about observable facts but only about your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:44 PM
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"what is a selection bias?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 06:06 PM
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Yeah it's really funny how the most virginal men think that their lack of experience somehow gives them perfect knowledge of how women, hookups and dating work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 01:10 PM
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You lost the race.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:09 PM
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Surprise surprise! Not kicking kids out of their home or beating them up for being LGBT makes them more likely to be open about it No wonder boomers are mad, they are probably like "I got beat up for acting like a sissy once so all kids deserve to get the gay beat out of them"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:08 PM
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You picked some click-bait titled articles, and went to town in your typical irrational raging fashion, then got your panties in a twist when people pointed out that what you linked was nonsense at best, and out right contradictory in other cases. In what fantasy bubble are you living? The only one who's triggered here is you and no one pointed anything out except that it doesn't align with their feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:05 PM
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Reading Fifty Shades once doesn't make them regular consumers of erotica. That just makes them followers of mainstream consumerism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:04 PM
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I don't think they literally mean "women are attracted to assholes" Just look around in this thread. There's plenty that argue that women are primarily attracted to assholes, criminals, abusive and dangerous men. For example someone is arguing that women are more attracted to men in jail compared to normal men: do you not believe women are attracted to incarcerated men at higher rates than non incarcerated men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 11:53 AM
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I'm not gonna link to potentially copyrighted material. It's not my job to spoonfeed you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 11:50 AM
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Those are just the searches for erotica novels, which is a small and kinky subset of women that regularly read them. https://www.pornhub.com/insights/women-gender-demographics-searches When it comes to regular porn searches women look for "lesbian", "threesome", "gay", "black" and "squirt" and their most watched categories are also Lesbian, Gay (male), Big Dick, Teen and Threesome. The porn searches of regular women are a whole lot tamer than the porn searches of the subset of women that consume…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 11:49 AM
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I'll take away the effort for you: it's just erotica searches and women that regularly read erotica are in the minority. That's like using hentai to prove that men love tentacle rape. When it comes to regular porn searches women look for "lesbian", "threesome", "gay", "black" and "squirt" and their most watched categories are also Lesbian, Gay (male), Big Dick, Teen and Threesome But he conveniently ignores that the porn searches of normal women are a whole lot tamer than the searches of the sma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 11:47 AM
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where people go strictly to watch porn and not read stories. But doesn't the fact that a third of Porngub viewers are women show that more prefer audiovisual porn than you imagined? Yet the concrete data of hundreds of millions of searches is what's illogical to you and proves nothing. Those are exclusively the erotica searches, which are a minority of all porn searches of women. Your own nude colony argument applies here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 11:39 AM
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It's really funny that a group that consists entirely of the most emotional and least logical men I've ever seen are also those that are convinced that women are the emotional gender and men the logical gender. They themselves are the best counter-argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 11:25 AM
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That does not prove the claim that "dark triad men are naturally more attractive?". Yes. Now you got it! Narcissists are not naturally more attractive, which means their increased attraction can be explained by the fact that they are known to dress better I'm not going to reply anymore, you're unabashedly gas-lighting at this point. Where is the lie? "match success can be explained by physical attractiveness" means that the increased success of narcissists can be explained by their physical attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 11:18 AM
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I don't know. The study didn't speak on that. They did. They said that narcissists have more short-term dating success Researchers found that in women and men, narcissism and psychopathy increased chances of being chosen by a partner for short-term dating. and then explained that it's because it's they appear more physically attractive. Scientists also found that one variable in particular had a large effect on the findings–physical attractiveness. Attractiveness by itself was highly correlated …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 10:59 AM
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Are dark triad men naturally more attractive? No, then it's obviously how they dress and present themselves that makes them more physically attractive, which is also what other studies found where they weren't rated as more attractive if they had no choice in how they dress
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 10:45 AM
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Friends can be attracted to each other. Out here in the real world it's completely normal that in a mixed group of friends everyone sleeps with everyone else at some point. For most people a FWB situation starts when feelings start to develop and if it doesn't turn into a relationship most stay even tighter friends afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 10:17 AM
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And they don't want to do anything for it, because talking to women means you get thrown into jail, going to parties and drinking means you are a loser, having fun means you are an asshole and putting in any effort means you are simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 10:13 AM
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They always accuse me of being a woman just because I disagree with their pessimistic, whiny, misogynistic, insecure, antisocial and bitter views regarding women and dating. Yesterday I said that there's also men that hate nerds and video games only to be told that they don't exist. It's seriously like the guys here have never met anyone offline and only know similarly bitter online nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 10:09 AM
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Even as a man I'm more attracted to celebs, like Miley Cyrus for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 10:07 AM
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I didn't say they don't masturbate. I said that women that read erotica are in the minority. According to PornHub statistics a third of their viewers are women, and according to a survey by Perspectus Global only a fifth of women prefer erotica over watching porn. Here's another survey: https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a16474/women-porn-habits-study/ What forms of porn do you use? 90% Internet porn 40% Erotic stories Among the women that answered the survey on that website and that consume p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 10:01 AM
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(which every single woman I've been with has admitted to when you can get them to actually be honest with you) Do you not know what a selection bias is? You attract women by acting dark triad and then assume that all women are like the broken ones you manage to attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 09:25 AM
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Then go one step further and check who they have sex with. Criminal women and women on the dark triad also have more sexual partners and have sex earlier than normal women. If you want to roleplay as a dark triad criminal in order to get laid don't act surprised if you only get women that are just as manipulative, evil and illoyal as you pretend to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 09:14 AM
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Are you the actual Dark Triad man you've been talking about this whole time? If that would be the case, wouldn't this give me more credibility by knowing that women don't like men for being dark triad, but for pretending to be nice, funny and normal?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 09:08 AM
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So you don't even know how to get access? Hint: there's a shadow library
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 09:05 AM
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TRP is just another resource. For guys that need an online guide to tell them to clean their room, to take a shower, that looks matter and that social skills exist. It's a resource for a very specific kind of guy that missed some very important parts of growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:44 AM
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I have brought several studies, each of them investigating several hypotheses. But none of them prove that women in general are attracted to dark triad men. It just shows that people with poor impulse control are bad at using protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:42 AM
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I haven't said that they are more stimulated by visuals. I said that only a minority of women read erotica
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:39 AM
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This is just nonsense. Most of them wear their assholery on their sleeve, it's what excites and entices women. Your feelings aren't facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:35 AM
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I don’t believe that the correct conclusion is that a lot women end up with abusive men because they “like” it. I think men here want to feel they are the only victims in dating and relationships. It's just yet another oversimplified TRP theory that misses the main point. They are attracted to them because they pretend to be the very opposite. Abusive men act the most BP out of all men. Most abusers act like perfectly nice gentleman, until they've managed to isolate her and only then they start …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:33 AM
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Your links don't support your premise. If they didn't you would be able to point out flaws, but you don't even try because you don't care about facts and just desperately want your delusions to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:26 AM
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That's why they need the TRP support group to tell them that this is just what women are like and that it's the best they can get
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:24 AM
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Because junkie chicks offer sex in exchange for free drugs. If that's what you want go ahead, but I have standards on who I want to hook up with and am not attracted to Faces of Meth
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:22 AM
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presenting nothing from the opposite side Do I really need to show that TRPers fetishize dark triad men and assholes? Just look around in this thread how many argue that my sources are bullshit because they just know that women love assholes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:20 AM
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The top five things women searched out to get themselves off to were werewolves, vampires, pirates, billionaires and surgeons according to the book A Billion Wicked Thoughts that was created by an engineer that compiled the search data of 100 million people and analyzed the results (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogi_Ogas). That is the truth of what turns women on. Women that read erotica are outliers to begin with. That's like using hentai to prove that men love tentacle rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:17 AM
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Your studies don't prove anything except that people that are stupid enough to get caught doing crime are also stupid enough not to use protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:12 AM
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I don’t usually bother looking crap like that up, but as someone once said: “don’t be the idiot on the internet who argues based on feelings and won’t actually bother to verify the information.” But didn't you know? His feelings are facts and my sources are just feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:07 AM
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It is true. The guys that are attracted to TRP are the antisocial wimps that think that going to parties, drinking, having tattoos, wearing a tank top, making jokes or being confident makes one a dark triad asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 08:04 AM
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Again, those are outliers. 0.5% of women read Twilight
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:52 AM
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I love how red pill men play games, deceive and act fickle, and then are shocked that the women they get….play games, deceive and act fickle. Yeah they bury their own graves, and then blame all women for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:41 AM
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I encourage you to travel more and visit some of these prisons. So, in order to prove that all women love criminals we are supposed to only look at the tiny subset of women that are dating criminals? Do you not understand what logical fallacies are? Why should I care about outliers? I care about normal women and not about outliers that support your preconceived notions. Don't be the idiot on the internet who argues based on feelings and wont actually bother to verify the information. Stop projec…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:40 AM
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You are still basing your understanding of how normal women are on outliers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:38 AM
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This doesn't change anything. It just shows that dark triad men attract shitty women that are too stupid and drug-addicted to use protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:36 AM
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They obviously aren't. That's just what you want to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:33 AM
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Why should I care about some outlier women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:32 AM
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So according to TRPers being nice means being a passive doormat, while being an asshole means lifting, dressing better, making jokes and being confident. No wonder they think that women hate nice guys and love assholes if they have such a completely twisted view of what it means to be an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:32 AM
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If women weren’t drawn to abusive men, they would never be in abusive relationships. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Women aren't attracted to abusive men because they are dark triad assholes. They are attracted to them because they pretend to be the very opposite. Abusive men act the most BP. Most abusers act like perfectly nice gentleman, until they've managed to isolate her. Abusive men are usually insecure Nice Guys that attract women by pretending to be nice, caring and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:26 AM
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Never believe what women say, but watch what they do. Unlike TRPers I actually leave my apartment and interact with women instead of just reading about them in the sidebar, and this research aligns with my experiences. Thus Science! doesn't support the claims of the Red Pill, but experience does. The lack of experience does. It's antisocial virgins that are most likely to believe in TRP, but not guys that are outgoing and successful with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:17 AM
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Yeah. Narcissistic are rated as more attractive, but only because they smile more, dress better and act confident. TRPers try to emulate the wrong part of the equation that only makes them more attractive to women that reinforce their beliefs in AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 07:14 AM
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Hope this doesn't get turned into a CMV, as I'm afk now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:05 AM
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Well you clearly have not met some of the women I have, one legitimately was intellectually openly obsessed with serial killers. I said "women aren't attracted to dark triad men" in the title, but in the body I added more nuance and explained that some women who are either broken or on the dark triad themselves do. According to the book Women Who Love Men Who Kill, in which the author interviewed several hundred women that have a fascination with serial killers, those women are almost certainly …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 12:03 AM
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It is intellectually dishonest to act like women's attraction to the dark triad isn't a core tenet of TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:40 PM
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In case anyon wants to argue "but TRP doesn't believe that all women are illogical and manipulative": read the sidebar Here's how TRP explains 'female nature' aka what they think All Women Are Like: https://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tcvz4/why_you_shouldnt_explain_female_nature_to_women/ Women are mentally handicapped as a factory setting upon birth to allow them to navigate the sexual market place to their advantage with optimized efficiency (no cognitive dissonance) while pursuing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:13 PM
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more Machiavellian/narcissistic Your own source says that those men aren't more successful because they are Machiavellian/narcissistic but because they are more attractive. When the researchers controlled for these variables, they found that the link between extraversion and match success for men appeared to be explained by physical attractiveness. On the other hand, controlling for physical attractiveness did not explain the link between narcissism and match success for women—the link remained …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 10:44 PM
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Everything about it is fear based and fear motivated. I really wonder what kind of guys they are. Apparently being nice consists of being a passive doormat that does everything while being an asshole consists of not responding immediately, making jokes, wearing a tank top, smoking weed, going to parties or having tattoos. I mean, I completely understand why TRPers think that women hate men that are nice and are only attracted to assholes, but I seriously don't understand how fearful of everythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 10:40 PM
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Read the sidebar. Here's how TRP explains 'female nature' aka what they think All Women Are Like: https://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tcvz4/why_you_shouldnt_explain_female_nature_to_women/ Women are mentally handicapped as a factory setting upon birth to allow them to navigate the sexual market place to their advantage with optimized efficiency (no cognitive dissonance) while pursuing the female imperative. Nature has sabotaged their psyche with installments of inhibitory components and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 10:35 PM
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6.4 for hookups, but that's just the visual size of the dildo. Dicks have a base, fat pad and all which obviously isn't included in this scenario. So if you want to compare it to actual penises we've got to convert this 6.4" NBP measurement to a BP measurement, as that's how penises are normally measured. Saying 6.3 is disingenuous because that's not how studies or guys measure their dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 09:47 PM
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That's the point though. Using conservative logic to point out how stupid conservatives sound. Similar to saying that Ashli Elizabeth Babbitt should have just followed the orders of the cops. It's nothing more than using the same things the right says against them to give them a taste of their own medicine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 07:51 PM
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Marry and pornstar and she will do. You can't blame woman A for not doing things woman B does.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 07:48 PM
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But they can. If it's tilted and lower than usual it will get into the way painfully. It's rare outlier women that have a problem with deep penetration
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 07:06 PM
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He argued that it should be illegal if they have children though. "the question is if the law should be based on the wellbeing of the child" "if you don't have children divorce should be no problem, but if you do have children...."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 04:24 PM
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If they wouldn't overstate it they wouldn't need to make daily threads here convincing women that it's actually what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 04:00 PM
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Women rate most men as below average, but message and reply to all kinds of men. Unlike men that rate women along a neat bell curve, but primarily message and respond to the hottest women. OkCupid proves that women don't care about looks all that much and that the 80/20 rule is just a mental defense mechanism of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 03:52 PM
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Laser tag is just paintball for wimps
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 03:50 PM
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Also are there studies that show women cheating more due to their husbands/partner being too small? There's one from Africa that showed women cheating more if he's too big, but otherwise I don't know any
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 03:46 PM
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We are discussing the preferences of straight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 03:45 PM
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No one warns you about any of this stuff man. That's also a danger with No Fap movement's
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 03:44 PM
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I haven't included the Lifestyle condoms study. And for Ponchietti I don't include any NBP studies as they are unreliable and as half the dataset was 17 year olds they still have some growing to do as many will not have finished puberty yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 03:38 PM
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Rarely. During arousal her cervix moves up and out of the way which means that for most hitting the cervix painfully just doesn't happen with enough foreplay.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 03:36 PM
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She prefers deeper stimulation during sex. A G-spot orgasm is like a clitoral orgasm for her, but with A or P spot stimulation she has vaginal orgasms that feel better to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 03:34 PM
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The study wasn't about what dildo they want to use. It was about what size they wish their hookup or partner to be, so there's no hanging onto it, and you've got to add the average fat pad as penises are measured BP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 11:03 PM
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For length they preferred a top 5% penis while their girth preference were around average.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 11:00 PM
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They asked them what size they would want for a hookup and what size would be okay for a partner to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:56 PM
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My favorite argument for marrying virgins I've seen on here is that virgins have the best sex. Like, how would more experience make someone worse at sex? And how would someone that only has had sex with a single partner even be able to tell if it's actually great sex if they have nothing to compare it to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:02 PM
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better than nothing =/= better than average How would they be able to tell if the sex is actually amazing if they have nothing to compare their sex to? They can't know what they are missing out if they haven't experienced it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 09:59 PM
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It's just yet another revenge fantasy that's based on the fact that TRPers assume that women don't enjoy sex just because they aren't enthusiastic about it with them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 09:55 PM
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Show sources, because how do they measure satisfaction in bed if virgins have literally nothing to compare it to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 09:49 PM
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Never heard of any, sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 09:05 PM
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I'm quoting studies. You are disagreeing with what women themselves state in anonymous studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 08:34 PM
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Wrong, pal, the Calcsd Western avg is 5.7, and that's BONE-PRESSED, The vast majority of the "western" average is actually from the middle east. The average of the middle eastern studies is close the the Eastern average and if you put them there where they belong to the actual western average goes up to 6.2" Also the perfect length from the dildo study was 6.3, not 7. Again I'm talking about the equivalent in BP as that's how studies and guys measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 08:32 PM
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I'm using facts and studies though. You are using feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 08:30 PM
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It's the other way around. Sexual pleasure is the biological aspect (which is why we naturally orgasm and enjoy sex) that makes us procreate. The social construct of marriage removed the pleasure from the equation and made it all about procreation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 08:10 PM
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i'm not sure why you wrote all that. none of that matters. the article is talking about hormonal abnormalities or genetic aberration. The definition of micropenis is a penis that's 2.5 standard deviations below average, so pointing out that the first link used a completely flawed average (5.2" instead of 6.2" when fixing all the issues) does matter a lot. is 5" abnormal, an aberration? you don't need any statistics to figure this one out. You are probably thinking about 5" NBP, but all studies m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 08:08 PM
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The first link uses the faulty Veale Meta-Analysis that reported an average of 5.2", but that study artificially lowered the average by mixing up BP and NBP measurements Almost all their studies use BP measurements but for example for Wessels 1996 they used their NBP result even though it also provided a BP measurement. They also included Promodu 2007 and Sengezar 2002 even though they are NBP. Even worse Sengezar is given 30% of the total weight using wrong values They claim that among their 15…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 07:32 PM
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but here is my view. bp is cope. It's the scientifically accepted way of measuring. It makes no sense to use a different measurement than studies do. what it matters is nbp because that is what will actually be used The fat pad is easily compressinle. NBP is merely the visible length, but BP is the usable length. It doesnt make sense to comvert 6.4 to 7 because dildos dont have bonepads. It's called fat pad. Not bone pad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 07:05 PM
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That's why they are NBP, so you've got to convert the 6.4" NBP to the commonly used BP value
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:45 PM
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Penises are usually measured BP, but this was NBP 6.4" NBP corresponds to 7" BP And in both cases 6.4" NBP and 7" BP are about a top 5% size
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:41 PM
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Data on rarity of flaccid length is always bad because they usually just do a normal distribution without any regard to growers and showers. It should be handled like a bimodal distribution at least
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:32 PM
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Like when men are arguing with women and they call them fat and ugly. But men that do that do it because they themselves think that fat and ugly are negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:30 PM
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Well they need to hold it, so can't insert it all. But that study wasn't about dildos but what size these women want their hookup or partners to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:26 PM
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Did you push the ruler into the fat pad? Studies always measure bone-pressed which should give you even more length
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:22 PM
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Highly doubt that. I'm the same size as some of the bigger pornstars and out of all the women I've had sex with deep penetration was only painful for one that had a medical condition called tilted cervix.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:02 PM
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Erectile dysfunction has been shown to significantly decrease size. For example Kamel et al 2009 found an average decline in length for men with ED of 0.67" and Awwad et al 2005 of 0.75" Studies done exclusively on men with ED are always significantly smaller than studies done on men without ED.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:01 PM
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CalcSD has a page dedicated to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 05:49 PM
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Which is NBP because the dildo doesn't have a fat pad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 05:49 PM
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I've got great memory. It's not just penis size studies, it's all kinds of PPD related studies regarding sex and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 05:48 PM
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Bigger dicks are usually harder as well (unless he's got a Julio Gomez sized dick) Guys with short dicks are fucked in several ways, as small size is related to lower erection quality and cumming too early.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 05:15 PM
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There's two factors. First that study (and dildo sales) showed that their average girth preference are around average (top 60 percentile) while their preferences for length are well above average (top 5 percentile) Secondly length and girth strongly correlate with each other. Most girthy dicks are also long and short but thick dicks are very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 05:13 PM
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6.4" NBP is about top 9%-5%, which is clearly well above average if only 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 men are that size
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 05:03 PM
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For example Prause et al 2015
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:56 PM
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It's also what my girlfriend prefers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:55 PM
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That's in their uterus but not in their vagina
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:50 PM
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That's common trope on Reddit, but that doesn't align with what studies show.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:48 PM
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Or because they already were compensating back then
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:47 PM
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Orgasm matter, and in anonymous studies women agree that they orgasm easier and better with bigger dicks. https://www.thrillist.com/sex-dating/nation/posterior-fornix-cul-de-sac-vs-g-spot-orgasm What's being named the cul-de-sac is the area at the back of the vagina, behind the cervix. The vagina balloons out when a woman is sexually aroused, and space opens up away from the cervix, leaving room for penetration and friction. If you haven't opened up yet and you hit the cervix (bottoming out), it…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:46 PM
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Region matters more, as nutrition is one of the biggest factors. Like in a third world country where malnutrition is common penis sizes are also way smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:39 PM
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women use terms like Big Dick Energy women sing loudly along to Don't Want No Short Dick Men in female-centric media size is always an important topic and most female celebs are vocal size queens women are the primary viewers and target audience of big dick porn women instinctively shout that a man that drives a truck must be compensating for his useless tiny dick Men only care because women care so much. Men wouldn't care if women wouldn't care so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:34 PM
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women use terms like Big Dick Energy women sing loudly along to Don't Want No Short Dick Men in female-centric media size is always an important topic and most female celebs are vocal size queens women are the primary viewers and target audience of big dick porn women instinctively shout that a man that drives a truck must be compensating for his useless tiny dick Men only care because women care so much. Men wouldn't care if women wouldn't care so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:33 PM
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When they do, it’s just as often because it’s too big. According to studies 1 in 4 college-aged women left a partner for being too small while only a negligible amount left a partner for being too big.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:32 PM
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You forgot "an average guy that does foreplay and listens is better then an inexperienced and selfish hung guy" or "size doesn't matter if you compensate by using toys"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:30 PM
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Normal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:29 PM
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Women like confident men - and guys with big dicks tend to be more confident while guys with small dicks are less likely to engage in casual sex Women like tall men - and height and penis size correlate with each other
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:28 PM
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Shifting the goalposts lmao. The women in that "study" picked 6.3-6.4 inches length and 4.7-4.8 inches of girth as the average preferred size. Which again is NBP but all valid studies measure BP Isn't that the western average, even according to your own cherrypicked studies? None of those are cherry picked. That's simply the result of taking all studies and excluding those that were done in countries with high rates of malnutrition and stunted growth, those done on teenagers or those done exclus…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:21 PM
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women use terms like Big Dick Energy women sing loudly along to Don't Want No Short Dick Men in female-centric media size is always an important topic and most female celebs are vocal size queens women are the primary viewers and target audience of big dick porn But apparently size doesn't matter at all and men are dumb for thinking it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:19 PM
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It's simple. If she personally doesn't care about size it's obviously true for all women. If most women you meet do care about size they just don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:14 PM
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A micropenis is defined as 2.5 standard deviations below average, and for western men this is about 5 inch https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-micro-penis-2328422 As an adult, a flaccid penis less than 2.75 inches in length is considered a micropenis. An erect penis is considered a micropenis if it is less than 5 inches in length. [2]
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:12 PM
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Yeah the G spot is for fingering. The P spot is for banging.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:10 PM
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The main point still stands that what they picked as a preference was noticeable bigger than what they picked as an estimate for average
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:05 PM
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How do these people explain porn? Do they think that all female pornstars had their uterus removed in order to take 9 inch cocks balls deep?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:00 PM
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That's not the depth of the vagina though. That's just the depth to the tip of the cervix. The Posterior Fornix which is at the end of the vaginal canal is deeper inside. Also other studies with different measurement techniques reported different results https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/owning-pink/201104/15-crazy-things-about-lady-parts The average vagina is 3-4 inches long, but can expand by 200 percent when sexually aroused.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 04:00 PM
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The G spot is simply the easiest spot to reach, but that doesn't mean that it's the only one or the best. The more erogenous zones are about 7 inches inside. https://www.thrillist.com/sex-dating/nation/posterior-fornix-cul-de-sac-vs-g-spot-orgasm What's being named the cul-de-sac is the area at the back of the vagina, behind the cervix. The vagina balloons out when a woman is sexually aroused, and space opens up away from the cervix, leaving room for penetration and friction. If you haven't open…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:53 PM
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Re banging against the cervix not happening 😂 well I happen to have a vagina and a cervix which is not tilted and I can tell you from experience that banging against the cervix is not comfortable And I happen to have a penis and know that you are a rare outlier. Most women love deep penetration because banging against their cervix painfully rarely ever happens. 6” inside most women’s vaginas as inside of the cervix and the cervix is only open during ovulation &period (certainly not wide enough t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:51 PM
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They didn't ask what toy they would use. They asked what size they would prefer for a one night stand and what size would be okay for a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:41 PM
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But he isn't listening to my opinion. He's listening to the various sources I posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:38 PM
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No it can’t, that’s literally how averages work Women don't look up a study before determine their subjective feelings. Something can be above average but still feel small to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:37 PM
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Penises are usually measured bone-pressed, but this study was done non-bone-pressed (i.e. visual size only). 6.4" NBP + average fat pad depth is around 7" BP I'm not lying. I'm just being accurate as it makes no sense to use their NBP value considering that most studies and most men use BP measurements
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:29 PM
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If it's the study that I'm thinking of it asked women about their most recent sexual encounter and 30% reported they came from penetration alone and another 40% reported they came from penetration with additional clitoral stimulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:22 PM
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Considering majority of men don’t have 6 inches, it can’t be small Only if you use the global average, but for western men average is 6.2" Here's some studies: Stewart 2009 5.9" (225 Australian men) Pereira 2004 6" (498 Portuguese men. For the Black men in the sample average was 6.9") Wessels 1996 6.2" (80 American men) Barboza 2013 6.3" (450 Brazilian men. For the Black men in the sample average was 6.5") Vasconcelos 2012 6.5" (105 Brazilian men) Bondil 1992 6.6" (905 French men, notably the la…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:20 PM
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Despite the fact that only a small percentage actually orgasm from piv...? 70% orgasm from piv. That's the vast majority. Why would it be the most appealing and important thing, when it doesn't make them cum? Because you are relying on highly misrepresented statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:14 PM
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And foreplay without penetration is not considered to be sex for most.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:13 PM
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What were the models based upon? Many women are less spatially oriented and have difficulty estimating size. Was it based upon self-reported preferences of penises or some other means that could somehow correct for incorrect reporting? They didn't ask them about numbers They gave them 3D models. Using those 3D models women were able to accurately estimate average size, and also showed that on average they prefer a top 10% penis When aroused the average vagina has a length of 4.25-4.75” If that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:12 PM
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I never sent anyone a picture of my dick though, unless requested 😜
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 03:02 PM
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The 6.2 figure is taken from Alfred Kinsey's study, which is statistically flawed because it was self-reported. And from the 1950s. I'm not relying on any self-reported data. Medically-measured studies done on western men average at 6.2" The NHS in conjunction with King's College London did a study in 2014, the results of which found the average UK penis length to be 5.24 inches. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25487360/ The Veale Meta-Analysis is a really shitty source. CalcSD lists over 40 mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 02:55 PM
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That's a highly misrepresented statistic, as that study didn't measure the full depth but only to the tip of the cervix. During arousal the cervix moves up and out of the way which allows for penetration of the posterior fornix which is a highly erogenous zone that can easily lead to intense and long-lasting orgasms. When properly warmed up most women can take 8" with no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 02:49 PM
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Average is something like 5.35 That's the global average, but this is a western centric subreddit. For healthy western average is 6.2"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 02:40 PM
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9 inch in girl inches are 7 inch in reality
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 02:30 PM
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Wanting average on minimum doesn't seem like a high standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 02:30 PM
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Using 3D models it was determined that on average women prefer a 7" penis, which is well above normal range.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 02:29 PM
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Some women prefer average or small due to their own physical limitations. Using 3D models it was determined that on average women prefer a 7" penis. Physical limitations are rare outliers. Other women aren't into piv sex so they don't really care. For the vast majority of women penetration is the most important, enjoyable and appealing part of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 02:28 PM
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Many people will altruistically lie or use double-speak to claim that size doesn't matter, like "size doesn't matter, if he's a selfish lover" "size doesn't matter, if he compensates by by using toys or wearing a sleeve" "size doesn't matter, girth does" "size doesn't matter, unless he's small" but in anonymous studies they will be more honest about their preferences, so let's take a look at those instead of just asking strangers and hoping that they'll be honest. Vaginal orgasms are directly re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 02:25 PM
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It's obvious that basement dwelling online nerds won't get into contact with regular men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 01:29 PM
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and he's not an idiot If he's not an idiot then he's just a grifter, because otherwise his idiotic stances can't be explained.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 01:24 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 01:23 PM
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Those are things I see men tell women even on this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 12:48 PM
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You can't. Everyone knows that you are only arguing from your feelings but not from observable facts
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 12:36 PM
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Men: I love video games Also men: video games are for nerds Ugh... male hypocrisy! Have you ever considered that women aren't a hivemind?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 12:35 PM
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He said there was a problem with divorce in the modern day, not how it should be fixed. But he did, by asking in an urging way if the law should be based on the wellbeing of the child. He argued the whole video that the divorce laws should change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 12:06 PM
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If you think I'm joking you should read the sidebar. It quite clearly states that women are mentally retarded children.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 11:57 AM
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Usually woman A says that she likes a certain type of guy but woman B dates another kind of guy and you guys complain about female hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 11:48 AM
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Women give advice that works for them personally. TRP gives advice that works for insecure, immature, illogical, illoyal, manipulate women. That's why TRP is nothing more than a self-reinforcing cycle. They use tricks that work best to attract shitty women and then convince themselves that All Women Are Like The shitty ones they scrape off from the bottom of the barrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 11:31 AM
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Except that's not what he said at all. Okay, so he simply made an argument why it should be made illegal and asked if the law should be based on the wellbeing of the child. Men are all misogynists, men are all rape apologists, men are all violent, etc... No one here ever said those things. Great job at making up a strawman!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 11:17 AM
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Well, is it worse for a child than being raised by a single parent? Yes. If the parents hate each other and fight every day it's much worse than a single parent. The point is it doesn't matter why the parents divorce. Because he naively assumes that without divorce there would just be loving, stable, intact families. For him the priority is the wellbeing of a child. His main priority is ignoring science and promoting tradcon values in order to sell books.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:51 AM
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and that instead of divorcing, they would all stay in cohabiting relationships? It sounds like he thinks they would just be a perfectly happy, loving, stable couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:46 AM
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https://youtu.be/YSIPtB3LMcM Just heard Jordan Peterson arguing that divorce should be illegal because the best for a child are two loving, stable, intact parents. Is he really that naive that he thinks that people just get divorced for no reason and that it's better for the child if two people that hate each other and fight every day stay together for the child?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:13 AM
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"you shouldn't have sex before marriage" - as if women want to have an arranged marriage with a religious immigrant "don't wear makeup" - men don't even notice natural makeup in most cases "don't dress like a slut" - again just a third world person applying his cultural morals to western women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:08 AM
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They hate the idea that a guy doesn't just know. They want guys to just have "it". The very idea of giving a guy advice, from their perspective, is that the guy doesn't have "it" and thus advice is pointless (also why they hate TRP so much) Then why do they not hate men's magazines or any other source for dating advice? Isn't it more likely that they simply hate TRP because it claims that all women are mentally retarded children that want to get raped by criminals?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:04 AM
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The difference is that women give advice that applies to them while TRPers want advice that helps them to attract easy victims from the bottom of the barrel.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 10:02 AM
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The only thing this actually shows is that religious people are the only ones to marry as virgins and that they afraid to get divorced as they know their community would exile or kill them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 09:44 AM
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Well that's obviously because only virgins are good in bed. As soon as they have sex for the first time they start to suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 09:35 AM
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A waifu is the anime chick that's printed on such a pillow
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 09:19 AM
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Experience says that virgins suck in bed
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 08:36 AM
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I bet it's self-reported. Of course virgins will think that they are amazing in bed if they have no clue what even constitutes good sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 08:02 AM
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That's only because almost all people that marry as virgins are religious freaks that know that their community would kill them if they got divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 07:53 AM
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Zero previous partners (i.e: a virgin) is the lowest chance of divorce. That's only because almost all people that marry as virgins are religious freaks that know that their community would kill them if they got divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 07:52 AM
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Obsessively? I post here like once a month
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 12:12 AM
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It's just what they do, and part of being weird is just accepting it in good humor. That's what I tried, but I guess my humor is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:59 PM
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Who's your waifu? If you call me a loser again I'll tribute her. She'll never be pure again
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:58 PM
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Well, it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:55 PM
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I have a better dick than yours but im not spamming it on nsfw subs for gay dudes to jack off to That's a shame. You could make a lot of them happy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:53 PM
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I have to share a funny interaction before it gets deleted by the mods. Me: Most of their whining can basically be summed up as: "I'm not struggling because I'm an antisocial loser. It's because women are sluts that have incredible high standards and only want to date assholes and criminals" Triggered incel: Do you ever stop? Lol. Look in the mirror. Without that dick you're honestly pretty ugly/don't have a good body type. There's no way with how much you talk about cock that you're straight. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:45 PM
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The idea that men think women don't care about their body count when it comes to relationships is stupid. I posted several studies here that show that in reality more women than men care about body count and it's a stronger preference for them: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qqblyd/how_important_is_it_for_your_spouse_to_be_a_virgin/hjz57hk TRP is nothing more than make-belief that has no relation to reality. For them it just needs to sound logical (like the lock and key analo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:37 PM
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They deliberately act like dismissive dark triad assholes and then act surprised why they only attract immature, illogical, illoyal and manipulative women. With "act surprised" I obviously mean "convince themselves that all women are as shitty as those they scrape from the bottom of the barrel"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:31 PM
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True. Most of their whining can basically be summed up as: "I'm not struggling because I'm an antisocial loser. It's because women are sluts have incredible high standards and only want to date assholes and criminals" It's just a mental defense mechanism that allows them to blame women instead of accepting that they themselves are the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:23 PM
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Or "having tattoos", "wearing a tank top", "playing sports", "going clubbing", etc The bar for asshole behavior is so low that I'm not surprised they think that women are only attracted to assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:55 PM
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It's better. I really don't understand the relationships of people that don't even like to hang out with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:39 PM
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Definitely. However most men don't want to wife the town bicycle. Like I said I'm not from a third world country so the concept of town bicycle doesn't exist in my culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:35 PM
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If you yourself were also sleeping around a lot it would, as a discrepancy leads to problems. If both have similarly low or high levels it's okay, but if one has low and the other high it's problematic. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5964280_Matching_in_Sexual_Experience_for_Married_Cohabitating_and_Dating_Couples Romantic partners showed a significant level of matching in the prior number of intercourse partners. Further, among the married couples, a higher discrepancy between men's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:19 PM
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Before getting married people have casual sex until they find the right partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:10 PM
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Modern data shows that there's barely any difference if she had 2 or 21+ partners And well, the vast majority of those that have 0 are religious and know that their community would exile them if they got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:04 PM
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Science disagrees with you: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qqblyd/how_important_is_it_for_your_spouse_to_be_a_virgin/hjz57hk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 It's virgin men that are bothered, but not men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:03 PM
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By then, Now
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:02 PM
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Because you are using outdated studies that are based on data from the 50s, long before women were even allowed to have casual sex and when only a tiny minority of broken women would do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:00 PM
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In the real world more women than men care about n-counts, but a much stronger factor is that people are attracted to similarly-minded people: virgins want other virgins and studs want sluts
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:59 PM
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The drop in marital stability a woman suffers from a single additional partner is equal to the drop a man has from 12. That's only because religious women are the only ones that marry as virgins and they know their community will kill them if they get divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:57 PM
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The antisocial virginal men here lack the experience to even tell the difference between different kinds of women. They just want any "hole" (as that's the only thing they seem to care about) without any regard to her personality. And due to their complete lack of nuance they see a dealer getting a woman and thus assume he will get any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:56 PM
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Incels can't tell the difference between the hipster that grows and sells weed and a street dealer, as they just see "criminal" and can't handle any kind of nuance. I grew up next to real dealers and I've never been jealous of any of their meth head girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:48 PM
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Crickets, as in nothing is happening
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:45 PM
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I do, and it's because they are druggies that want free drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:44 PM
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Well, I'm from a country where almost all Jews were killed or chased away, so only small communities of orthodox Jews were left.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:37 PM
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Those "facts" are based on studies from the 50s If you look at studies done after the sexual revolution happened there's barely any difference if she had 2 or 21+ partners. Instead of using a poor proxy like previous partners you should instead develop social skills to detect actual problems. Like women with bipolar disorder usually have a higher n-count and a higher chance of divorce. It's not her n-count that causes divorce, it's her problems that cause her having a high n-count and a higher d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:36 PM
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The more sexual partners a woman has the less likely she can have lasting meaningful relationships. Same with previous marriages for her, chances of yours lasting are not good. Those ideas are based on studies from the 50s If you look at studies done after the sexual revolution happened there's barely any difference if she had 2 or 21+ partners. And there’s always one guy you can’t ever compare to that she had a fling with. So just become better than him. Seems like the main reason is your own i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:33 PM
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I was trying to make a logical point that men fuck woman and woman don't fuck men. Which is only logical if your sole experience comes from inflatable sex dolls. You should invite her ex partners to your wedding. I would like to see who grins the most. The men that had a free turn before you or the man who is about to dedicate his life to her. I'm not living in a highly religious third world country where anyone cares. Being from a secular and sexually-open country I've had sex with their partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:30 PM
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Hard to generalise since religious circles exist Unless you are a fanatic that's part of the same religion they don't matter, because you will not get into an arranged marriage with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:26 PM
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I have seen many women i have considered objectively ugly had platonic crushes from decent men, hard to explain but we don’t operate like women. Women have much more diverse tastes than men do though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:20 PM
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thinking about having sex 7/24 So, you do agree that virgins do have low libido and lead to dead bedrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:18 PM
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In the real world the vast majority of hookups and relationships happen between people that are roughly the same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:14 PM
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You are not convincing me that they weren't inflatable. As a man that actually has sex I know that sex happens between both parties and that women do more than just lay there like a sex doll.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:09 PM
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The act of sex. A woman lays down opens her legs and let's a man fuck her We all know what's going on we a woman let's a man fuck her.. Have you ever had sex with someone that wasn't inflatable?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:53 PM
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The Jewish part in my town is highly religious and they mostly date inside their own circle. Most of them are less western and secular than most Muslims and Arabs are But maybe it's just those that dress traditionally Jewish and go to Jewish schools
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:52 PM
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With all their pseudo-science and studies from the 60s they use to argue that any women that has seen more than a couple of dicks is broken beyond repair.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:44 PM
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Where I'm from 5% lose their virginity at 12-13, 20% of men and 36% of women at 14-15, 52% of men and 49% of women at 16-18, 12% of men and 4% of women at 19-20 So at age 20 there's about 11% of men and 6% of women that are still virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:42 PM
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Yeah that's what they state, but then they talk about women like aliens would talk about humans after reading the Wikipedia article about them. Although, the aliens would still have a better understanding of humans than TRPers do of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:36 PM
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and while that's a fair enough point, just to reiterate men and women are different🤷‍♂️, There's barely a measurable gender difference though. The only significant difference is that people look for similar-minded people: virgins want other virgins and studs want sluts
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:33 PM
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These men spend all time and effort "damaging" the so-called sexual market value of women in their own dating pools (with casual sex and hookups). Do you really believe that these keyboard warriors ever leave their basement? They claim that they have a lot of sex (but nothing they say about women, sex, etc sounds in any way as if it's based on reality or real life experiences), but then they are posting here 24/7 even during weekends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:31 PM
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"You are a woman, you don't know what you want."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:29 PM
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Is it really surprising that men that only go for damaged women and that deliberately act in a way that pushed healthy women away would come to the conclusion that sex damages women? TRP is nothing more than a self-reinforcing cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:19 PM
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20 and virgin is already a red flag
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:17 PM
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TRPers: I only marry virginal woman Also TRPers: complains about dead bedrooms If you want virgins don't act surprised that they don't want sex. If they had a high libido they wouldn't have stayed virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:13 PM
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Who even waits until they are in a relationship anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:08 PM
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Do you mean that they are attracted to women that dress like strippers even though they want virginal women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:07 PM
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https://imgur.com/gallery/jcEqEqV One copy of that picture would have been enough
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:59 PM
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I wouldn't want a virgin. I love sex and thus want a partner that also loves sex and not some prude religious asexual partner. Virginity is a red flag to me. Despite what the virgins of the manosphere claim in reality most men don't care, and in fact women care more about low n-count than men. https://www.bustle.com/articles/97433-more-women-than-men-care-about-a-new-partners-sexual-history-says-new-study-and-over Far more women than men want to know about their partner's sexual past, according …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:55 PM
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Adult
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 07:27 AM
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Ok then what if they admit that to themselves, what changes? That they start working on themselves instead of just blaming others
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 12:58 PM
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It's not being defensive. The downvotes are from people who know it's bullshit. Anyone that has ever interacted with women instead of just reading about them in the sidebar knows that they can get creeped out and lose attraction even if he technically looks attractive. It doesn't really matter if you break any of those rules if you follow #1 and #2. That's not true in reality, as many girls are vegetarians and even more get creeped out by guys that get enjoyment out of torturing and killing anim…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 12:02 PM
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No it doesn't. It's not up to you to decide. Many women are vegetarians but even more get creeped out by guys that get enjoyment out of torturing and killing animals. I feel like hunting and fishing are really good hobbies to have because at least they are productive. They aren't sitting around playing video games, watching TV or hanging out. You can't use your logic to argue against the feelings of people. To them their logic is more valid than your logic. It's a dumb complaint, really. Whining…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 11:57 AM
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What's wrong with putting up a picture of you with a fish you caught? Or a deer you shot? 🤔 If "I pay money to kill animals for fun" is the most important aspect of your personality it gives off a creepy vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 11:48 AM
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First pic looks a bit too sad. Second pic is cute. Third pic is a bad angle. Fourth pic: smile
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 11:21 AM
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Women with their insanely high standards don't even get attracted when they are reminded of excrements
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 10:43 AM
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Question to struggling guys: What pictures do you use on Tinder?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 08:52 AM
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Unattractive people do not want to accept that they are unattractive, so they convince themselves that they are average and that the problem are the high standards of women. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631 All six studies provide compelling evidence that self-ratings of unattractive people mostly differ from how others perceive their attractiveness. In fact, relative to ratings by strangers, all studies showed that unattractive participants considerably overestimated …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 08:30 AM
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If you require external stimulation to cum during PIV then you are cumming during penetration, not from penetration So just push it in all the way and grind against her and you've got both penetration and clitoral stimulation. It's still an orgasm from piv sex It's still the external stimulation It's both, or otherwise these women would prefer oral sex or vibrators, but for 70% of women penetration is the most enjoyable and most important part of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 07:15 PM
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That statistic is always cited wrongly. 40% can cum from penetration alone, but another 30% can come from penetration with additional clitoral stimulation It's a minority of women that can't cum from penetration
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 06:54 PM
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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631 All six studies provide compelling evidence that self-ratings of unattractive people mostly differ from how others perceive their attractiveness. In fact, relative to ratings by strangers, all studies showed that unattractive participants considerably overestimated their attractiveness. It is remarkable that across all studies, unattractive participants reported to be above-average (relative to the scale midpoint) and their self-rated a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 06:22 PM
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I've never seen a single person that only got one of those degrees. Usually it's in combination with something else. Like law + gender studies so that they can focus on specific issues more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 11:01 AM
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Nope, permanently single dudes I know all have issues. Everyone knows that. And all of the struggling guys here give off a really weird vibe. If they creep me out through a screen I can only imagine what insufferable downers they must be in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 10:59 AM
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Well it's different as women can do kegels and control their tightness, while guys have no way to improve their penis size. Making fun of something people have control over is morally more acceptable than making fun of something people were born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 07:40 PM
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So you don't believe that people say stuff like Man Up or Be A Man in order to encourage men to engage in harmful, self-sacrificing or aggressive behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 04:28 PM
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It has nothing to do with masculinity Masculinity refers to cultural standards that are placed on men, so the societal idea that men who show feelings aren't real men is part of masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 03:11 PM
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This term is created by leftist feminists to have in their armoury to try degrade men and their masculinity. How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" or "calling men faggots for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" in any way degrading men? Men are always portrayed as victims of toxic masculinity and the criticism is aimed at society for encouraging men to be disposable, self-sacrificing tools. Your argument literally makes no sense at all and only …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 01:34 PM
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Are there any accepted words I can use in the context of criticizing shaming language? Like, is sissy okay? Or should I opt for F-word instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 07:47 AM
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Wouldn't that be toxic femininity though? It's a harmful societal standard being applied to men => it's part of masculinity It doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman tells a man that he isn't a Real Man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 07:35 AM
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They do react positively, as women understand that slut shaming and the societal idea that they have to be prude, virginal and pure is harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 07:22 AM
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"Toxic Masculinity" is a term invented by misandrists It was invented by Shepherd Bliss and the men of the Mythopeotic Men's Movement to further demonize men. How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" or "calling men faggots for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" in any way demonizing men? Men are always portrayed as victims of toxic masculinity and the criticism is aimed at society for encouraging men to be disposable, self-sacrificing tools. Your…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 12:44 AM
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The definition never changed. You simply never paid attention to what it means and what they are saying
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 12:36 AM
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These things have nothing to do with masculinity, its just people being cunts towards each others, and both genders do it. Why do you argue against something if you don't even know what it means? Here let me help you out https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/masculinity the characteristics that are traditionally thought to be typical of or suitable for men https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/masculinity Masculinity is the quality of manliness — habits and traits that society cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 12:36 AM
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Spoken like someone who's never had a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:14 PM
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Me: toxic masculinity refers to harmful cultural standards men are expected to adhere to Mouthbreathers: but those standards are applied by women so it's toxic femininity Do these people even realize how little sense they make?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:13 PM
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You just don't want to admit that maybe you are looking at this too simplistically. Says the person that doesn't want to accept that the dictionary, Wikipedia, every article and every definition agrees with me and disagree with you. Just admit that you don't understand what either toxic masculinity or toxic femininity means.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:08 PM
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Are you drunk?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:06 PM
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So, do you understand it now? It doesn't matter who places those norms on men. What matters is that they are gendered norms being expected from men. It's toxic masculinity no matter if it's a man or a woman that tells a boy to Man Up and Be A Real Man
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:06 PM
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Applied to men BY WOMEN How does it make any difference who applies it? "applied to men" is the part that matters here Toxic masculinity refers to harmful cultural standards that are placed on men. It doesn't matter who places them on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:58 PM
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Yet another example of toxic femininity Yet another example of people misusing words. Believing that men are sexualised homunculi who must sexually please a woman irrespective of their emotional state That's a harmful societal standard that's applied to men => it's toxic masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:25 PM
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Men are expected to live up to these impossible standards Yeah, those toxic standards are toxic masculinity. The outright vitriol of women that pushes those toxic standards on men is exactly what this thread is about. You've got to consider that I'm using the actual definition of toxic masculinity and not the strawman misinterpretation that's commonly used around here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qc6x0s/what_are_the_ways_in_which_women_enforce_toxic/hheaduz?context=2
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:20 PM
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There's situations where it's needed, like if she gets groped or attacked. But what I meant are situations like u/Seroriman described Most women love men fighting over them on some atavistic level and some of them would even try to engineer situations in which men fight for them. Gets them off and whatnot. or what u/Insidious-Sid experienced: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qc6x0s/what_are_the_ways_in_which_women_enforce_toxic/hheqk77?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&co…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:08 PM
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women are told that the best men are tough and infallible hero types. That's still a societal expectation on how men are supposed to be, meaning it's part of masculinity It’s not that there are no societal expectations, it’s that you’re too blue pilled to recognize them Those societal expectations are placed on men. It's a standard that men are expected to live up to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:04 PM
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Are we talking about a dealer like a hipster that grows weed and sells it to his friends, or are we talking street dealer that has probably already stabbed a dealer from another gang?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:02 PM
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Yeah I should have included virginity shaming as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:59 PM
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The average penis length is about 5' That average is based on a lot of faulty studies that were either done exclusively on men with ED even though it is known to significantly decrease size done using only gentle tension for stretched length even though it's only valid as an approximation to erect length under maximum extension done in countries with high rates of malnutrition and stunted growth And by making lots of mistakes like mixing up BP and NBP measurements using wrong values in several i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:59 PM
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It stems from toxic femininity The societal idea that men aren't supposed to show any kind of vulnerability is toxic masculinity. There's no societal expectation that tells women that they should shame men for showing vulnerability. No one is saying that they aren't real women unless they shame men for being weak. So I don't see how it stems from toxic femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:50 PM
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How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" or "calling men faggots for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" in any way hate against men? Men are always portrayed as victims of toxic masculinity and the hate is aimed at society for encouraging men to be disposable, self-sacrificing tools.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:45 PM
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Your whole post reads like r/thathappened, but I trust you as I know exactly what you are talking about and have seen that exact same scenario happening too often. Or was her getting her boyfriend beat up just common toxic femininity? Where here do you see a harmful societal standard being pushed on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:21 PM
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You: Sure. That happens. So, what is it now? Does it happen, or does it not exist? You can't have it both ways. Either it exists or it doesn't, but you can't argue one minute that it doesn't and then agree that it happens the very next minute. That's some hardcore flip flopping
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:18 PM
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What's your point? You: toxic masculinity doesn't exist Also you: sure toxic masculinity exists
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:12 PM
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Toxic masculinity doesn't exist. So you don't believe that people say stuff like Man Up or Be A Man in order to encourage mem to engage in harmful, self-sacrificing or aggressive behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:09 PM
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I was referring to men's internal monologues about medical care, not external dialogue. Those external ones are what causes the internal ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:06 PM
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No one is calling all masculinity toxic. We are talking about specific subsets of it that are harmful to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:04 PM
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That article on toxic masculinity uses it in the exact same way as the definitions of masculinity, as masculinity refers to cultural standards that men are expected to adhere to and toxic masculinity is just a specific set of cultural standards men are expected to adhere to that are harmful to them. From the Wikipedia article: The concept of toxic masculinity is used in academic and media discussions of masculinity to refer to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 08:20 PM
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Which one did you quote that I ignored?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 08:17 PM
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That's the exact definition, like seen in the several dictionary entries, definitions and articles.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:55 PM
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None of those are harmful cultural standards that are placed on women so none of those are toxic femininity. Learn what words mean before arguing against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:50 PM
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But what he is describing is cause Take a look at the Wikipedia article you yourself posted. Take a look at the definition of masculinity here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qc6x0s/what_are_the_ways_in_which_women_enforce_toxic/hhe84kb Take a look at the definition of toxic masculinity here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qc6x0s/what_are_the_ways_in_which_women_enforce_toxic/hheaduz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Take a look at all the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:42 PM
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Toxic masculinity is the effect. Learn what words mean before arguing against them. Toxic Masculinity refers to harmful cultural standards that are placed on men => Toxic Masculinity is the cause It's "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity", but not "emoting less than women is toxic masculinity" It's "calling men faggots for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity", but not "eating meat is toxic masculinity" Didn't you post the Wikipedia link earlier? The concept of toxic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:36 PM
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All of it fits perfectly to my description The concept of toxic masculinity is used in academic and media discussions of masculinity to refer to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and men themselves. Traditional stereotypes of men as socially dominant, along with related traits such as misogyny and homophobia, can be considered "toxic" due in part to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence. The socialization of boys in patriarchal …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:26 PM
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Do you really think that I'm saying that each and every woman is like that? I'm saying that a significant portion of women is like that Don't be obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:22 PM
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The societal idea that men should be protectors is Toxic Masculinity, as it's a harmful cultural standard that is placed on men. Learn what words mean before arguing against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:19 PM
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No women is shaming a man for going to the doctor for an ear infection And if he mentions that he might have an ear infection her first reaction will be to laugh at him and go on a man flu rant, which in turn makes him shut up and causes him not to go to the doctor as he doesn't want to go through this again. It's easier to deal with physical pain and sickness than with that bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:18 PM
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All my examples are harmful cultural standards that are placed on men => toxic masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:16 PM
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Nope. Like I said, even when I merely mention that I'm sick without showing any emotion women will go on a man flu rant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:13 PM
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Toxic masculinity and masculinity are not synonyms. But the definition of masculinity applies to toxic masculinity as well. Masculinity refers to cultural standards that are placed on men. Toxic masculinity refers to harmful cultural standards that are placed on men. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:12 PM
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/02/19/problem-toxic-masculinity-not-mental-illness/ Even those men who might be suffering from mental illness are unlikely to seek out counseling because it is often stigmatized as “weak” for men to seek out help and admit vulnerability. Among those who do make it into an therapist’s office or mental health program, domestic abusers are notoriously resistant to treatment protocols. Here Toxic Masculinity is again used to talk about societal pressures …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:11 PM
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/02/19/problem-toxic-masculinity-not-mental-illness/ Even those men who might be suffering from mental illness are unlikely to seek out counseling because it is often stigmatized as “weak” for men to seek out help and admit vulnerability. Among those who do make it into an therapist’s office or mental health program, domestic abusers are notoriously resistant to treatment protocols. Here Toxic Masculinity is again used to talk about societal pressures …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:10 PM
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http://www.lovemeloveyou.org.au/blog/the-impact-of-toxic-masculinity-on-mens-health/ Traditional notions of masculinity often categorise it as a weakness if a man were to acknowledge that he has a health problem, and that it is not ok to talk about it or take action. For this reason, men are often leaving it until crisis point to seek assistance for their mental health issues and are more likely to engage in risky behaviours that may be harmful in the long run. Here again Toxic Masculinity is us…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:10 PM
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https://www.theodysseyonline.com/toxic-masculinity-hurts-boys The stereotypical ideal of masculinity generally promotes the image of a man as being dominant, muscular, a protector, and able to control his emotions. None of these traits are necessarily bad, and I’m not trying to attack them, but they create a very narrow definition of what masculinity is. The masculine man only likes certain kinds of music, dresses certain kinds of ways, likes sports, has short hair, etc. Early on in a boy’s life…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:10 PM
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https://www.cbc.ca/life/wellness/toxic-masculinity-may-be-quadrupling-the-suicide-rate-for-canadian-men-1.4158731 If gendering a mental health awareness day seems unnecessarily divisive to you, consider that the socially driven silence often stifling men from seeking help when they need it most yields an unpleasant stat: men are four times more likely to die by suicide than women in Canada and those numbers have been climbing for a decade. A recent study shows that the dark data points to one sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:09 PM
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Your comment went through I meant the one with the examples. But I'm just going to post them one after another now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:09 PM
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It's because of Toxic Masculinity In countries like the US where men are getting told that they are sissies, wimps, gay, feminine, etc for needing help or showing feelings there's a strong gender difference in the willingness to go to a doctor, but this gender difference doesn't exist in cultures where men don't have to endure those harmful cultural standards. If we wouldn't make men for worse for getting help they would be willing to do so. But as it stands most would rather die slowly than hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:07 PM
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You yourself posted a link to Wikipedia that shows that I'm describing Toxic Masculinity The concept of toxic masculinity is used in academic and media discussions of masculinity to refer to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and men themselves. Traditional stereotypes of men as socially dominant, along with related traits such as misogyny and homophobia, can be considered "toxic" due in part to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic viole…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:00 PM
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You don't know what those words mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:57 PM
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That's exactly what Toxic Masculinity is about. Men would be much more willing to go to the doctor if people wouldn't accuse them of being gay, feminine weaklings for doing so. If you want your partner to go to the doctor just stop calling him a sissy wimp for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:56 PM
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Did the comment get through? It contains a lot of links and that often causes comments to end up getting removed by the spam filter
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:54 PM
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Here's some examples that show that Toxic Masculinity is always framed as ways in which society harms men: https://www.cbc.ca/life/wellness/toxic-masculinity-may-be-quadrupling-the-suicide-rate-for-canadian-men-1.4158731 If gendering a mental health awareness day seems unnecessarily divisive to you, consider that the socially driven silence often stifling men from seeking help when they need it most yields an unpleasant stat: men are four times more likely to die by suicide than women in Canada …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:53 PM
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You'd have to explain how height and dick sizes relate to toxic masculinity. The societal idea that you aren't a Real Man if you are short or have a small dick is the dictionary definition of Toxic Masculinity, as it's a harmful societal standard on what it means to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:47 PM
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None of what you described correlates with my understanding of toxic masculinity I'm using the mainstream definition of Toxic Masculinity and not the strawman misinterpretation that's commonly used around here. The normal definition is stuff like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" which always gets misinterpreted as "being stoic is toxic" here. In normal contexts Toxic Masculinity always refers to the harmful societal standards that are placed on men, as that's just what …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:46 PM
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Well those are exes and my current one is nice and can deal with it if I show signs of sickness once every two years
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:19 PM
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In my experience it's the other way around. If she gets sick I will help her out as far as I can. She can chill on the couch all day and I will cheer her up, bring her food and tea and take over her chores. If I mention that I'm sick without even showing any feelings or taking any break she starts to laugh, accuses me of having the man flu and demands I man up and plow through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:16 PM
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Hold up. Man flu is not because they are showing sickness. In my experience it's the other way around. Like most of the time my partners can't even tell when I'm feeling sick as I'm very good at keeping pain and discomfort hidden, but if I simply mention in a completely stoically way that I might be sick they immediately start making fun of me, accuse me of having the man flu and demanding that I man up. So it's not even showing any signs of weakness, but merely mentioning that my health isn't p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:14 PM
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Despite what the virgins of the manosphere claim in reality most men don't care, and in fact women care more than men. https://www.bustle.com/articles/97433-more-women-than-men-care-about-a-new-partners-sexual-history-says-new-study-and-over Far more women than men want to know about their partner's sexual past, according to a new study by sex toy company Love honey. Not only do 36 percent of women want to know the intimate details of their partner’s sexual past, but women are also more likely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 05:57 PM
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Hypergamy is just a mental defense mechanism TRPers use to blame women for having too high standards instead of accepting that they are on the very bottom of reality. Instead of just saying "it's true because biology" you should first check it it's actually true, but there's no data to support that women are only attracted to the most attractive, richest, tallest and masculine guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 04:43 PM
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It's no surprise that the guys here aren't part of the secret underworld of sex, considering that they hate leaving their basement, having social media, interacting with people, having fun, going to parties, enjoying life and taking drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 04:32 PM
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Do you admit that the stuff you copy pasted from wiki is irrelevant to how the term is used today because neither you nor any other feminist uses it to talk about rituals or father son relationships now? Better father-son relationships and better masculine role models are always part of the discussion, so there's nothing to admit except that you have no idea what you are arguing against
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:54 PM
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You use the term to try to shame men for not crying and emoting as much as women. That's not what's happening. That's only in your imagination. Why don't feminists use toxic femininity to talk about their gender role problems and only use it on men? I already answered that. Men and women have different gender roles, women don't have such a strict and narrow gender role anymore, and women's gender role doesn't encourage them to do harm to themselves or others.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:48 PM
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The way I've seen it is like in these articles http://www.lovemeloveyou.org.au/blog/the-impact-of-toxic-masculinity-on-mens-health/ Traditional notions of masculinity often categorise it as a weakness if a man were to acknowledge that he has a health problem, and that it is not ok to talk about it or take action. For this reason, men are often leaving it until crisis point to seek assistance for their mental health issues and are more likely to engage in risky behaviours that may be harmful in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:33 PM
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Or is it just dishonesty? Actually it's just nuance, as I'm not using extreme black and white thinking to assume that "shaming men for expressing feeling is toxic masculinity" means the same as "all of men's problems would be solved if they cried more"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:30 PM
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Dude there is no point talking with you. I say the grass is green, you say no, the grass is not green, in fact "green" does not exist, it's a concept unique to human beings, and anyway the grass is not always green, because it can be yellow if it doesn't get enough water Actually it's like: I say: "calling men faggots for expressing emotions is toxic masculinity" You guys say: "so having emotional control is toxic now? you blame men because you hate them" and I try to explain that none of the co…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:29 PM
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Sure, a quick copy paste from wikipedia that is not even relevant to how the term used today by people like you. I never seen anyone used the term as an attack on men like you are claiming though
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:20 PM
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Notice how its old meaning and association with rituals has been completely dropped and it's been repurposed by feminism to blame all of men's problems on not crying enough? I don't, as I never ever saw the strawman version you are imagining.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:06 PM
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Because most men (uneducated in social sciences) see masculinity as part of their identity, to them masculinity equals to being a man. How does that make any sense though? Things men do aren't automatically masculine. A man can act feminine, and women can act masculine. So when you say toxic masculinity, they take offense because they translate it to "toxic men", rather then listen. That only happens on the weird corners on the internet though, where people generally take offense to anything tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:04 PM
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These guys just desperately want to get triggered.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:53 PM
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Also notice that OP ran for the hills again since the question exposed the difference between the real nature of the term and his pretend "why would any man object or be offended by it we are just trying to help you tee hee" bullshit. How is replying with a long comment the same as running for the hills?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:53 PM
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why do you treat a "later" as a "no"? last chance
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:43 PM
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She declined that meeting, but said that she'd be free after his trip. I did say I’d be free after his trip and sent a message asking to let me know when he’s back. No response
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:42 PM
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why do you treat a "later" as a "no"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:40 PM
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So feminism is wrong then and it's men who principally suffer from societally imposed gender roles? That's the whole point of Toxic Masculinity: to highlight the ways in which men suffer from socially imposed gender roles Since woman don't have any socially imposed gender roles there is no need for "toxic feminism". Right? Complain to Shepherd Bliss and the men of the Mythopoetic Men's Movement why they labeled it Toxic Masculinity, instead of whining about feminists addressing male issues and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:39 PM
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what does "later" mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:33 PM
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I've seem this term being used in a way to signify that every man is violent, a rapist, etc. I've never seen it like that, as it's always used for the very opposite: to combat the societal idea that men are violent, rapists, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:32 PM
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That's a "soft" no. "I don't have time right now, but I'd be free after your trip" is not a No, not even a Soft No. It's a Later In this case, "no means no, except when it doesn't". In this case, "later" means "later", and not "no"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:30 PM
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Which is why I'm asking him why he directly goes from declining a single date with turning him down completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 11:48 AM
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How did you manage to go from "I'm busy right now, but I'd be free after your trip" to "no means no"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 11:06 AM
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Men and women have different gender roles, so why do you expect that there exists the same? Women aren't expected to sacrifice themselves to defend their partner, women aren't encouraged to risk their health to prove themselves, women aren't discouraged from eating healthy or from seeking care, etc There's no female equivalent to Man Cards, Man Up, Be A Real Man, etc as their gender role isn't as strict and narrow
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 10:58 AM
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Normal people: "calling men faggots for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" TRPers: "so having emotional self control is toxic now? You just blame men for their nature" Why are TRPers like that? Are most of the guys here from some exotic place where people just don't understand any English? Would explain why they mention 'western women' so much
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 10:18 AM
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but in practice it is often identified with traits like emotional self control, competitiveness, stoicism, independence and assertiveness In practice that just shows that you have no idea what you are arguing against. It's always like this: Feminists: "calling men faggots for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" TRPers: "so being a stoic man is toxic now?" No one is calling emotional self control toxic. They are calling the societal idea that men who are more expressive in their emotions re…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 10:03 AM
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You see, the problem isn't exactly in the concept of "toxic masculinity", but in how that is worded and interpreted and what kind of political discourse generally contains that particular vocabulary. And how it's worded is always as a criticism of society, as that's also what those words mean. The term Toxic Masculinity is a combination of toxic (harmful) and masculinity (gender roles that are pushed on men), so it refers to exactly the "toxic societal expectations towards men" which clearly put…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 09:56 AM
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It still implies that men (their behavior) are the problem How does it do that? How do you go from "those harmful societal standards that are expected from men are toxic" to "men are the problem"? Why do you see criticism of societal standards as the as criticism of people that are victims of those expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 09:53 AM
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Saying it's toxic masculinity implies that these problems are inherent to males But it doesn't, as masculinity refers to societal standards that are expected from men. How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity", "the idea that men can't be good fathers and that any man that hangs out with kids is a pedophile is toxic masculinity", "the idea that if you need help you aren't a Real Man is toxic masculinity" or "calling a man faggot for ordering a vegan burger is…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 09:52 AM
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Women aren't telling men that they have to fix their toxic masculinity either
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 07:20 AM
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Clichés Yes, that's what 'traditional notions' are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 07:19 AM
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I used the phrase "how most people encounter it" because most people who throw out the phrase "toxic masculinity" are not reading the articles you cite. But they are. I only ever see people talk about Toxic Masculinity in the context of harmful societal standards that are pushed on men. I never see people use Toxic Masculinity in order to attack men, as that only exists in the imaginary fantasy world of TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:41 PM
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It's because the guys here desperately need to be able to play victim, so they will always deliberately misunderstand "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" as "men are toxic for being stoic"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:39 PM
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Even children understand that "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" is criticism of society and not an attack on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 06:08 PM
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They don’t exist. And do you know why? Because the term “toxic masculinity” is solely about making men feel bad about themselves and their “nature” How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity", "the idea that men can't be good fathers and that any man that hangs out with kids is a pedophile is toxic masculinity", "the idea that if you need help you aren't a Real Man is toxic masculinity" or "calling a man faggot for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 06:07 PM
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How does framing it like "the way society treats men", "how we don't allow men to", "the way we teach men to", "how society restricts men's", etc absolve the blame from women? Women are part of society, so criticism of societal standards applies to them as well
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:50 PM
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How most people use or encounter the phrase toxic masculinity is as something that is entirely on men, in which women play no role, either in it's existence or its remedy. It's a "man problem". How are any of those following articles blaming it on men? http://www.lovemeloveyou.org.au/blog/the-impact-of-toxic-masculinity-on-mens-health/ Traditional notions of masculinity often categorise it as a weakness if a man were to acknowledge that he has a health problem, and that it is not ok to talk abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:45 PM
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If you said “Toxic Blackness” what the fuck do you think people would hear? Can you not understand the difference between "toxic <something they are born with>" and "toxic <societal standards that are pushed on someone>"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:39 PM
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How can people be so dense that they are pretending to not know how this term is used? How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity", "the idea that men can't be good fathers and that any man that hangs out with kids is a pedophile is toxic masculinity", "the idea that if you need help you aren't a Real Man is toxic masculinity" or "calling a man faggot for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" implying that men are toxic by nature? How is criticizing har…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:36 PM
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While ignoring that the term “toxic masculinity” itself effectively assigns an entire gender as inherently broken. That's an extremely black and white misinterpretation. But hey, who cares of another “toxic man” offs himself. You are replying to a comment that is filled with several articles that are sympathetic towards men's issues and brings up their suicide rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:28 PM
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It is reactionary and is used to detract from the issues. How are they detracting from the issue here? http://www.lovemeloveyou.org.au/blog/the-impact-of-toxic-masculinity-on-mens-health/ Traditional notions of masculinity often categorise it as a weakness if a man were to acknowledge that he has a health problem, and that it is not ok to talk about it or take action. For this reason, men are often leaving it until crisis point to seek assistance for their mental health issues and are more likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:25 PM
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Masculinity is: "qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men". "regarded as" = "what society considers" It's not about the behavior of men, but about what society considers to be manly behavior. Masculinity is the behavior of men But it's not. If a man wears a pink shirt, has long hair, wears makeup, orders an appletini, etc his actions will be regarded as feminine, while a woman that wears a jeans, short hair and bosses people around will be regarded as masculine. The behavior of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:11 PM
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How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity", "the idea that men can't be good fathers and that any man that hangs out with kids is a pedophile is toxic masculinity", "the idea that if you need help you aren't a Real Man is toxic masculinity" or "calling a man faggot for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" assigning blame to men? 99% of the time they are using the term to say “men bad” That's only what you want to hear, but in reality in 99% of cases i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:03 PM
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How is any of the following articles assigning guilt to men? https://www.cbc.ca/life/wellness/toxic-masculinity-may-be-quadrupling-the-suicide-rate-for-canadian-men-1.4158731 If gendering a mental health awareness day seems unnecessarily divisive to you, consider that the socially driven silence often stifling men from seeking help when they need it most yields an unpleasant stat: men are four times more likely to die by suicide than women in Canada and those numbers have been climbing for a dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:01 PM
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Toxic masculinity is in many ways just a smokescreen to deny that men face systemic and institutionalized sexism in society. Okay, so by talking about harmful societal standards and expectations that are being placed on men they are denying that men face sexism? How again are they denying sexism against by men by talking about sexism against men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 04:58 PM
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When you call certain aspects of it toxic, you call certain aspects of being a man toxic. How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity", "the idea that men can't be good fathers and that any man that hangs out with kids is a pedophile is toxic masculinity", "the idea that if you need help you aren't a Real Man is toxic masculinity" or "calling a man faggot for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" attacking certain parts of being a man? When you say "toxi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 04:32 PM
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It would be less accurate as we are specifically talking about the harmful societal standards and expectations that are placed on men, but not about societal toxicity in general
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 04:29 PM
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Masculinity refers to cultural standards and societal expectations on how men are supposed to be, so criticism of Toxic Masculinity also applies to women, as they are part of society. When people say "calling men faggots for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" it's criticism of all men and all women that push those kind of harmful societal standards on men. Criticism of societal standards is criticism of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 04:04 PM
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maybe rename it to toxic gender roles Okay, but now we want to talk about toxic gender roles for men, so let's rename it to toxic masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:59 PM
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Because Masculinity refers to societal standards and expectations that men are supposed to follow. It doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman that tells men to Man Up and to be Real Men, in both cases its societal expectations being pushed on men. Toxic Masculinity is about harmful societal expectations being taught to men, and it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman that tells men that only pussies have feelings, that only faggots eat vegan meals, that real men are supposed to sacrifice them…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:57 PM
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How often do you hear gender-switched versions of sayings like "give me your man card", "that's gay", "Real Men do X", etc? Women seriously don't have such a strict and narrow gender role as men where any step outside will get met with ridicule.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:46 PM
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Why not address the issues themselves? But those issues are always addressed as well For example mental health in the context of Toxic Masculinity https://www.cbc.ca/life/wellness/toxic-masculinity-may-be-quadrupling-the-suicide-rate-for-canadian-men-1.4158731 If gendering a mental health awareness day seems unnecessarily divisive to you, consider that the socially driven silence often stifling men from seeking help when they need it most yields an unpleasant stat: men are four times more likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:45 PM
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My only problem with the term is that I never hear toxic feminity. How often do you hear gender-switched versions of sayings like "give me your man card", "that's gay", "Real Men do X", etc? Women seriously don't have such a strict and narrow gender role as men where any step outside will get met with ridicule.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:43 PM
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Because Masculinity refers to the societal expectations on how men are supposed to be. Your question is actually: "if society is the problem, why use a term that puts the blame on society", which seriously makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:38 PM
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Let's compare your solution to what people that criticize Toxic Masculinity talk about https://www.cbc.ca/life/wellness/toxic-masculinity-may-be-quadrupling-the-suicide-rate-for-canadian-men-1.4158731 If gendering a mental health awareness day seems unnecessarily divisive to you, consider that the socially driven silence often stifling men from seeking help when they need it most yields an unpleasant stat: men are four times more likely to die by suicide than women in Canada and those numbers ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:36 PM
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Everything you said simply shows that you have no idea what you are arguing against. Criticism of Toxic Masculinity isn't an attack on masculinity, but on exactly those harmful societal expectations. The problem is not with masculinity, the problem is how a given society relates to men and boys. Therefore the term is inapplicable. Some societal expectations are toxic, not some aspects of masculinity. Those societal expectations that are toxic = toxic masculinity We must tech boys how to be mascu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:30 PM
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this is what self-described solid 7 looks like
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:17 AM
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Protip: the last time most of the guys herr have met any woman in real life was in high school
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 08:07 AM
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No. These study were conducted in the last two decades. Your own source (the Teachman study) says that it was based on the 1995 National Survey of Family Growth, which was mostly based on women that are 30-44 years old (54%). So no, most of the participants in that study married like 4 decades ago. And for divorce risk the difference between 2 and 21 previous partners is negligible: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BUQXGYyTqyY/T3GymZwywMI/AAAAAAAAAYQ/_duqJp7yWJ8/s1600/UShape.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 07:35 AM
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I have a thing for feeling like a bit of a possession Couldn't he just be protective of you without reducing you to an object?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 07:07 AM
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I said something kind-of similar once that TRPers vastly overestimate the effect it has that the difference between 2 and 21 previous partners is negligible that most of those studies are based on people that married before the sexual revolution even happened so maybe OP heard that I'm disagreeing and assumed that I'm arguing the exact opposite, which wouldn't be surprising considering how bad most guys here are at understanding nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 06:59 AM
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It's targeted at no one in particular, just at the general aversion to fixing the problem that many incels have
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 09:20 AM
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CMV: If you don't have social media and complain about normies you can't call yourself incel
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 08:02 AM
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It could still be prosecuted under existing laws of the time. Which it wasn't
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:49 PM
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For most men the thing stopping them from rape isn't a law, it's morals. And the traditional Christian morals said that women are supposed to let him have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 05:30 PM
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No, criticizing men is different from criticizing society We are back at square one. How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity", "the idea that men can't be good fathers and that any man that hangs out with kids is a pedophile is toxic masculinity", "the idea that if you need help you aren't a Real Man is toxic masculinity" or "calling a man faggot for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" criticizing men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 04:40 PM
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And your imaginary examples are not even part of the discourse
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 04:39 PM
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Women are framing it as specifically the fault of men Only if you do not consider women to be part of society and thus misunderstand criticism of society as putting the fault solely on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 04:33 PM
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It's always framed like "the way society treats men", "how we don't allow men to", "the way we teach men to", "how society restricts men's", etc it's always written as a general criticism of society as a whole, or even using 'we' to make it clearer that the (female or feminist) reader is also included. https://www.cbc.ca/life/wellness/toxic-masculinity-may-be-quadrupling-the-suicide-rate-for-canadian-men-1.4158731 If gendering a mental health awareness day seems unnecessarily divisive to you, co…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 04:09 PM
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Where is the hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 04:07 PM
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Because it's generally women that blame men for toxic masculinity while women themselves are upholding it How are things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity", "the idea that men can't be good fathers and that any man that hangs out with kids is a pedophile is toxic masculinity", "the idea that if you need help you aren't a Real Man is toxic masculinity" or "calling a man faggot for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" blaming men? Men are always portrayed as v…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 04:06 PM
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In the country I'm currently living marital rape was only made illegal like 30 years ago, and back then most people were married. So yes, dry spells literally didn't exist back then as men were legally allowed to rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 03:57 PM
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No, it's not. You believe in it yourself I keep telling you that I don't, so why do you want to argue against this strawman so hard? Masculinity and Feminity are social constructs according to you. And? That doesn't mean that I believe that everything is socially constructed. The fact that I'm using gender to refer to the socially constructed parts and sex to refer to the biological parts doesn't mean that I don't acknowledge sex differences. You actually can distinguish men's and women's brains…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 03:36 PM
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You just proved my point. If you start to believe that about transgenderism that means that in practice you believe that Masculinity and Feminity are social constructs and that men and women are the same and can be swapped as long as you feel like it. Can you seriously not understand that "transgender people were born in the wrong body as the sex of their brain doesn't align with the rest of their body" is the very opposite of social constructionism? You are solely arguing against strawmen as yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 02:42 PM
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In the country I'm currently living twice as many women are killed than men. Most women are killed by their (ex-)partners, while most men that get killed are involved in gangs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 02:10 PM
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No one is blaming all men for all miseries Toxic Masculinity, Rape Culture, Patriarchal Oppression, etc all put the blame on society. So if TRPers feel that the blame is only put on men it shows clearly that they don't consider women to be part of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 02:07 PM
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It's not hypocrisy just because TRPers generally can't understand words
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 02:06 PM
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The argument from TRP is really more about sub-conscious level feelings women have toward men who express their feelings too much, and how women telling men to express their feelings more is not in the best interest of said men. The argument is usually followed up with "but women are shaming men for expressing feelings as well so why don't you call it Toxic Femininity"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 02:01 PM
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First, you're considering that Masculinity is a social construct and then you argue about gender roles pushed on men. It once again boils down to the social construct vs biology. It doesn't. As I'm not talking about biological facts, but solely about harmful societal standards and expectations that are placed on men. Considering that men express or should express their feelings the same way that women do is plain stupidity made people who believe that both genders are a result of social construc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 01:58 PM
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Normal people: "society shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" TRPers: "but women do that as well" Why do TRPers think that this is a good argument? All it actually shows is that they don't consider women to be part of society
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 01:43 PM
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"shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity" - funny to call it toxic masculinity when women love to partake in it and most men actually know it's a bad idea to open up to women. Yet nobody makes grand speeches about toxic feminity. Brenée Brown talked about that whole thing... And we are back to my point from earlier: normal people understand words All your argument shows is that you have no idea what Masculinity even means. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 01:37 PM
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Normal people don't even have the same mental problems as TRPers that makes them misunderstand things like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity", "the idea that men can't be good fathers and that any man that hangs out with kids is a pedophile is toxic masculinity", "the idea that if you need help you aren't a Real Man is toxic masculinity" or "calling a man faggot for ordering a vegan burger is toxic masculinity" as an attack on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 01:14 PM
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Have you ever asked anyone? Whenever I mentioned Toxic Masculinity to anyone in real life they always understood perfectly what I'm talking about, as any man has experienced those kind of societal pressures.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 08:06 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:59 AM
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None of them will be anti-feminist incels, as those don't ever leave their basement, so none of them will call it an attack on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:53 AM
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If you have to spend pages to explain a terminology, then the terminology is not proper. It's only necessary in the incel-sphere of TRP, MGTOW and similar subreddits, as these guys have problems understanding anything that's not an extreme oversimplification. Everywhere else it's enough to say "calling men faggots for ordering a salad is toxic masculinity" and people understand perfectly what this topic is about. It's only here that people will deliberately misunderstand this sentence and reply …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:39 AM
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These memes to them means man=bad, women=victim. No one except for incels, MGTOWs and TRPers think in such extremely black and white ways. Normal people understand words and thus understand that men are the victims of Toxic Masculinity and that society is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:27 AM
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You clearly don't understand words and have no idea what people mean when they say Toxic Masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:25 AM
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Now that we've gone through the definition let's take a look at how Toxic Masculinity is used in action. It's always defined like "the way society treats men", "how we don't allow men to", "the way we teach men to", "how society restricts men's", etc it's always written as a general criticism of society as a whole, or even using 'we' to make it clearer that the (female or feminist) reader is also included. https://www.cbc.ca/life/wellness/toxic-masculinity-may-be-quadrupling-the-suicide-rate-for…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:24 AM
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Your post lies on the assumption that the blame always goes to men, which is just false as women are also part of society. For example let's take a look at Toxic Masculinity, as you clearly don't understand this concept and get triggered over a misunderstanding. The term Toxic Masculinity is a combination of toxic (harmful) and masculinity (gender roles that are pushed on men) https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/masculinity the characteristics that are traditionally thought t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:17 AM
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I don't think either of those behaviors is more or less likely to indicate someone's success with women. I'm not saying that this guy is attracting women. I'm saying that the kind of guy TRP generally prescribes as Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 12:15 AM
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Why aggressive and dismissive? Why not neurotic and anxiously attached? Anxiously attached women go for dismissive attached men. It's the TRP self-reinforcing cycle. Their tricks work best on AWALTy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 10:22 PM
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Your feelings aren't facts
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 08:18 PM
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There’s some level of truth of this. Being worried about coming across as creepy, makes you come across as creepy. True. Someone who's acting awkward because they are afraid of appearing creepy appears not much different than someone who acts this way because they are planing something dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 07:36 PM
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Personality: extroverted/introverted, fun/boring, progressive/traditional, nice/aggressive, etc Status: social cred, how well known you are in her social circle, how often people talk well about you, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 05:43 PM
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But I'm not talking about other species, I'm talking about humans which is why I'm using studies done on humans and not studies done on completely different species
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 05:11 PM
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Didn't it clue you in why it has such great visuals, sensual sex, lots of oral and why the storylines follow the female POV?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 04:40 PM
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Blacked also has really good cinematography and an interesting storyline That's all part of the "produced for a female audience" point, especially as the storylines happen from her POV
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:06 PM
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He's 24 but looks like 40
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:02 PM
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Yeah it's obviously completely impossible to sound sarcastic over text
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:00 PM
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Can't find the original source right now, but here's some old Reddit posts talking about the notification system for ratings: https://www.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/comments/15px30/ratings_system/ AFAIK, the other person has no idea how you rated them, unless it was a 4 or 5, and even then it just shows as "rated highly". They do get a notification when you rate them highly https://www.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/comments/1fp3mx/is_getting_a_this_guy_has_four_or_fivestarred_you/ Is getting a "this guy has fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 01:43 PM
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The only thing they have in common is being above average in dick size but that depends on the genre And that genre is "For Women", as women are much more likely than men to watch Big Dick porn, which is why studios like Blacked were created to produce Big Dick porn for a female audience. https://www.pornhub.com/insights/women-gender-demographics-searches The ‘Lesbian’ and ‘Gay (male)’ categories remain the top 2 with the most views which is consistent to what we found in our prior coverage, tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 01:10 PM
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You have already argued elsewhere that the OkCupid ratings data are invalid because women aren't visual. My main point of disagreement was that ratings of higher than 3 would notify the other person
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 12:05 PM
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They have more diverse requirements. Those “requirements” are still only met by the top men. There's no universal top men. Almost all men have some women that rate them low and some women that rate them high. If no woman like you it's not because they have high standards, but because you are on the very very bottom of the scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:59 AM
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I meant that it feels much more unequal to the men here as they only notice hot women and loser men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:52 AM
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Some women might like guys who shave their heads, but the majority will like guys with good hair. This is partly why I made this thread. Some time ago men here were complaining that women don't like balding men and I told them to shave their heads, to which they only replied that women like men with good hair. So it seemed to me that they would rather give up if they can't be what they consider to be universally attractive instead of trying to be attractive for a niche. That is a bit vague thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:48 AM
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but the fact remains that the distribution of sex and relationships is very unequal for men, much more than for women Which is also mostly because TRPers assume that for women only the 10s they stalk on Instagram exist and that for men only the antisocial virgins of the manosphere exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:46 AM
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Some like muscular The Rock type dudes, some like skinny boyz, some like tough looking men who look like they've been through some sh1t, some like pretty boys, some like guys who showcase their hip hop style some are into emo dudes, a lot of it has to do with style/image/subculture for women and what they're into that way... And if you try to point that out you just get told that these women simply don't know what they want and that they secretly crave an aggressive douche instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 10:57 AM
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They all seem to fall into the same tall, white, buff, chiseled, aggressive and dismissive flavor though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 10:56 AM
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Most abusers act like perfect, non-aggressive, nice gentlemen, until they've managed to isolate her. Abusive men are usually insecure Nice Guys that attract women by pretending to be nice, caring and romantic. http://www.reachofclaycounty.org/domestic-violence Many abusers suffer from low self-esteem, and their sense of self and identity is tied to their partner. Therefore, if abusers feel they are somehow losing the victim, either through separation, divorce, emotional detachment, or pregnancy …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:24 AM
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The typical perpetrator of domestic violence isn't a masculine man though, but an insecure Nice Guy. Women are much safer with a confident, muscular, masculine man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:22 AM
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Both aren't my type.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:19 AM
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So born-again virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:18 AM
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Even if I say that some care I usually get told that none care. Similarly if someone would claim that all men like big tits and butts I wouldn't try to lie to them by saying that no man ever has cared about it, but rather explain that it's true for some but not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:26 AM
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Even if I say that some care I usually get told that none care. Similarly if someone would claim that all men like big tits and butts I wouldn't try to lie to them by saying that no man ever has cared about it, but rather explain that it's true for some but not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:24 AM
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A friend of mine always fucks up his relationships by cheating, but it's because he's afraid that they are going to cheat on him so he wants to be first to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:26 AM
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Being fit is enough, but the picture itself matters a lot more. A shirtless bathroom selfie is bad, but a shirtless pic of you on the beach or playing volleyball is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:23 AM
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Why do most women on Reddit get so mad and defensive if you talk about some women caring about looks, height, muscles or penis size? "women don't care", "it does not matter to women", "no woman ever cared", "it's only men that care", etc What's up with that? Do they just not understand that their own personal preferences aren't universal for all women or do they actually believe that people would believe such obvious lies?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:00 AM
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I don't have any enemies, so I guess it will be the old "your worst enemy is yourself" quote and I'll just pull out a mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 09:15 PM
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Men shouldn't need to completely change their friend group and who they are to have a decent dating life But you don't care about a dating life. You care about a hookup life, in which case you are supposed to make yourself more attractive to the fun-loving party crowd instead of staying in your basement and waiting for them to jump on your dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 07:47 PM
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TRPers are always talking about men and women being different, but then they use the same standards for both even though height isn't valued in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 07:26 PM
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I was just trying to point out that complaining about something that's totally in your control makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 07:16 PM
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They are not representative of normal women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:45 PM
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Which is another example of extreme black and white thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:42 PM
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It's not women. Women that keep orbiters around are narcissistic women, and narcissistic people like to keep people around us can easily control.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:26 PM
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Okay so I met the only MGTOWer that isn't a virgin. It was still an educated guess
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:24 PM
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You are doing the exact same thing I was complaining about. not attractive =/= bad personality Orbiters are shy, awkward, boring, lacking in confidence, entitled, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:09 PM
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there's someone for everyone = lower your standards They aren't telling you that you can find love with a hot supermodel, they are telling you that there's someone. Out of billions of people there will always be someone who would be willing to date you if you were willing to lower your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 01:40 PM
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The common complaint "but women love assholes" shows that many of the guys here have no idea what "your personality is the problem" even means. They just don't understand what a personality is. As we all know most guys here don't even know what nuance means and suffer from the most extreme black and white thinking. Whenever they hear that their personality is the problem they start arguing that women hate nice men and love assholes, but this complaint shows that they have no idea what a personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 01:36 PM
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Why would anyone try to be fat though?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:56 PM
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15 years of a lot of sex are worth having bad teeth later on. "here's a lighter" or "got a lighter?" are still the easiest icebreakers
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 08:37 PM
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Smokers are usually having a lot of sex, as smoking is highly correlated to being extroverted, low inhib and making new friends easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 08:13 PM
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How would you as a virgin have any clue what women are attracted to? And if you are such an expert on what attracts women, why are you still a MGTOW virgin?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 04:03 PM
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The problem is that the sayings "less focused on looks" is gas lighting as we know looks are still important for women. Only TRPers will read an article that mentions "Research suggests that women find well proportioned muscular men more attractive" and then complain that this article is claiming that looks don't matter at all. It's not the fault of everyone else that TRPers don't understand any kind of nuance and only hear what they want to hear
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 01:41 PM
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Or more strictly women CARE ABOUT LOOKS Which was never denied: "Research suggests that women find well proportioned muscular men more attractive" No one is claiming that looks don't matter at all. That's just what TRPers imagine as they can't understand any kind of nuance and only hear what they want to hear
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 01:39 PM
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It's from the article from this thread about BP Gaslighting: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/p7e3uk/some_of_the_blue_pill_gaslighting_that_doesnt But thanks for proving my point about most of the guys here not being able to understand nuance. To people that understand words there's no contradiction here as "less focus on looks" doesn't mean "don't care about looks at all". The contradiction only exists if you apply extreme black and white thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 12:10 PM
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I'm literally just quoting the article from the BP Gaslighting thread that TRPers use as proof that mainstream media claims that looks don't matter at all
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 12:06 PM
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What exactly is your question?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 11:55 AM
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Mainstream media: Research suggests that women find well proportioned muscular men more attractive. Based on our ancestral past, signs of physical strength would be linked with an increased chance of survival,” she explains. ... ''I think women tend to put the focus less on appearance and a lot more on emotional intelligence and how kind a man is'' TRPers: OMG that's blue pill GASLIGHTING! They ARE claiming THAT looks DON'T matter AT ALL!! Can we finally admit that blue pill conditioning is mere…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:50 AM
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Too long and no woman likes her cervix pounded. The idea that deep penetration is painful is merely a r/SmallDickProblems meme that they tell themselves to feel better about their shortcomings. I can tell from experience that it's not a problem in real life for the vast majority of women. During arousal her cervix moves up and out of the way and you can go past it to stimulate her P-spot, an highly erogenous zone at the end of the vaginal canal that can easily lead to intense and long-lasting or…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:40 AM
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The word you're looking for is “stupid”, btw. But TRPers aren't stupid. They have isolated talents for math and STEM, they are just socially retarded and suffer from extreme black and white thinking - like autists
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 08:56 AM
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Liberal feminists are pro trans (and pro porn, pro sex work, etc) while radical feminists are against trans (and porn, sex work, etc) On the outside both may look like social justice as both call themselves feminists, but in reality only one side is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 09:46 PM
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It's because the average TRPer is more autistic than the average autist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 04:50 PM
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How did you read that as “women don’t care about appearance at all”?! Extreme black and white thinking is so common among TRPers that I'm convinced that the average TRPer is more autistic than the average autist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 04:48 PM
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Most feminists that I know are sex-positive liberal feminists that love men, have happy relationships and aren't like the angry straw-feminists at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 02:40 PM
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There's no blue pill conditioning. There's just TRPers being unable to understand words. ''I think women tend to put the focus less on appearance and a lot more on emotional intelligence and how kind a man is'' It's not the fault of mainstream society that TRPers will misunderstand this sentence as "looks don't matter at all and only being nice matters". It's only the fault of TRPers for being too stupid to understand things. Research suggests that women find well proportioned muscular men more …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 02:29 PM
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These two sentences do not mean the same thing, did you know ? True, that's why there's no blue pill conditioning. There's just TRPers being too autistic to understand words
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 02:17 PM
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"less emphasis on looks" =/= "looks don't matter at all" There's no blue pill conditioning. There's just TRPers being too autistic to understand words
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 02:04 PM
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I like smoking daily, but only very weak stuff that doesn't give me red eyes. Also, I like smoking daily but that doesn't mean that I actually do, in fact I haven't even smoked anything this week yet. Smoking strong stuff all the time is escapism and not healthy. Moderation is key.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:54 PM
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Same with the 80/20 rule Incels want to believe that they are part of the 80% and that women only sleep with the top 20%, although in reality it's the very other way around but incels don't want to accept that they are on the very bottom. By convincing themselves that they are above average and that women have insanely high standards they protect their fragile egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:50 PM
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Incels: masturbate to videos of women getting killed Also incels: act surprised why they have no friends and no woman wants to sleep with them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:45 PM
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but most don't have a obsession with dicks. Well that's stupid as dicks are beautiful and powerful
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 05:11 PM
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As I always say: just because I disagree with TRP this doesn't mean that I'm a white knight that thinks that women can't do no wrong You guys simply always think in way too black and white terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:42 PM
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Women: Big Dick Energy, lol if he drives such a truck he must have a useless tiny dick, i need at least 7 thick inches, average is small, singing happily along with Don't Want No Short Dick Men, after a breakup telling everyone how tiny their ex was, high-fiving each other when they had a hung hookup, etc Also women: why do men think size matters? I know, it must be porn!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:25 PM
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The entitled and haughty lasciviousness of the women he encountered in college made it impossible for him to relate or form any lasting bonds with his female peers. He's complaining that fun-loving party girls didn't like his fun-hating and judgmental personality. Seems like he's the entitled one here. Women using their sexual allure as an emotional weapon to gain leverage and toy with men's feelings in a most cruel manner when guys are still in a formative phase of their life. How did they use …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 12:28 PM
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No one is telling women not to take precautions. Like every university and college has several courses that teach them how to stay safe
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 07:41 AM
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If casual is most likely not pleasurable or satisfying, not to mention possible side effects of the pill, why would women even think about pursuing casual sex? Women that engage in casual sex are those that have an easier time achieving orgasm, so for many of those it really is satisfying. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-less-likely-to-orgasm-from-casual-sex-hookup/ a previous study of 24,000 students at 21 different colleges revealed that only 40 percent of women had an orgasm during their l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 07:29 AM
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And unsurprisingly TRP decided to make this guy the poster guy for the typical TRP origin story and feature him prominently in the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 08:01 PM
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That's why I'm calling male virgins just male virgins and bitter misogynists incels. Similarly on this subreddit incels threads aren't allowed, but threads about virginity are, as there's a huge difference between regular male virgins and the "woe is me, women are useless and only want assholes" incel posts
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 05:30 PM
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There's a difference between men that are involuntarily celibate and bitter misogynists that celebrate Elliot Rodgers as a second coming of Jesus Christ
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 05:12 PM
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Incel doesn't refer to sexually unsuccessful men. It refers to hateful misogynistic soon-to-be-school-shooters that blame women for their lack of sexual success
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 04:59 PM
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Writing LIKE this IS so ANNOYING. WHY are YOU constantly SO extremely ANGRY?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 04:33 PM
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I'm not talking about male virgins. I'm talking about incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 04:26 PM
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In my group, if I were to remarry it would be someone usually 10-15 years younger 30 and 40 is barely no difference though, but 18 and 28 is a massive difference
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:54 PM
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It was a very nice one though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:53 PM
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Just calling it stupid is obviously a much better argument
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:53 PM
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Irrelevant How is it irrelevant that they aren't mature enough to make the decision to drink alcohol yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:30 PM
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If you are an 18 year old woman, you're an adult who can make your own sexual decisions - including a decision to sleep with, or not sleep with, any man of any age. If 18 year olds are so mature, why aren't they even allowed to drink booze yet? they are not, then TRP is right, women should not be allowed to choose, women are just overgrown children, and they should be relegated to the care of their fathers until their fathers choose their husbands. Why don't TRPers not move to Afghanistan? Right…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:22 PM
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CMV: incels fetishize teenage girls as high school was the last time they saw a woman in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:19 PM
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I didn't claim that outliers don't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:14 PM
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Your source doesn't show anything in regards what kind of men are abusive and how they get into relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:13 PM
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while you were younger, you were attracted to much older guys I'm straight so why would I be attracted to much older guys? But that's why I know that women a few years younger than me but not women much younger than me are attracted to me There is another narrative being floated that young women simply do not find much older guys attractive The vast majority of women aren't attracted to much older guys, even if TRPers keep on shouting at them that they are lying and don't know what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:04 PM
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It's easy. Just by shouting "you are lying" or "you don't know what you want" over and over their delusions will stay true to them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:03 PM
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1-3 years older (but only because they have similar levels of maturity) but not twice as old
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 01:57 PM
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They don't, they wave their red flags with more gusto than a pride parade You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Most abusers act like perfect nice gentleman, until they've managed to isolate her. Abusive men are usually insecure Nice Guys that attract women by pretending to be nice, caring and romantic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11149306 The majority of perpetrators of domestic violence are men. Perpetrators are often young, troubled, unemployed, and of low self-esteem; t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 01:54 PM
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I'm just poking fun of you guys for being blind to your extreme selection and confirmation biases
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 01:08 PM
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It's why they actively choose abusers. Then why do abusers actively hide that they are abusive in order to get relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 12:32 PM
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And it only hardens the TRP view that AWALT is true. All women are like that Ah yes, this singular woman is proof that all women are like her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 12:27 PM
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Unsure how this relates to TRP at all though. It's the first post people get recommended when joining TRP and it's in the sidebar. It relates to TRP as it's the relatable villain origin story of a lot of them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 11:02 AM
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Well it proves that TRP loves to use made-up anecdotes as proof for their weird theories
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 11:00 AM
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There is strong matching in the number of previous sexual partners. Studs mostly end up dating sluts and virgins mostly end up dating other virgins. Also virgins mostly don't even like to date promiscuous people and promiscuous people mostly dont even want do date virginal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 10:55 AM
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We stay with Amazon because we have nowhere else to go. That's well known already. Abusive men always start out as super nice, until they slowly managed to make her dependant and removed her from her other social connections. Then they start to show their true side.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 09:48 AM
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Yo stop lying that you don’t lol. It's amazing how TRP has a built-in function to prevent them from hearing anything they don't want to hear. Anytime a woman doesn't fit into their extremely narrow view she's simply lying, as it's inconceivable to you guys that she's not like the strawman you set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 09:46 AM
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You do learn it in engineering as many projects will have 20% taking 80% of the time Like it's relatively easy to set up something new, but testing, bugfixing and securing it will take a whole lot of effort to get everything right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 09:42 AM
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What exactly are his complaints? That fun-loving party girls didn't like a fun-hating judgmental nerd like him? He shouldn't complain that he wasn't able to convert them. He should complain why he wasn't willing to look for other kinds of girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 07:33 AM
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How does one person's views prove anything? The fact that it resonates with a lot of TRP members, the fact that it's required reading and the fact that it's in the sidebar shows that it's much more than just one person's view.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 07:25 AM
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Great point about him not even being native.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 07:24 AM
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Many say the story resonates with them, it is required reading and it is in the sidebar - don't you think that matters?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 07:11 AM
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(which is fine imo, doesn’t make him a judgmental nerd for not finding those activities to be fun), It's not the fact that he doesn't like those things that make him a judgmental. It's the fact that he calls people that enjoy things he doesn't like COMPLETE LOSERS
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 10:08 PM
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You are dreaming if you think that any of their police care about domestic violence
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 07:38 PM
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Because it demonstrates that what women want, and what they say they want, are two different things When did women ever say that they want a fun-hating judgmental antisocial nerd?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 06:35 PM
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Judging means evaluating an action as right or wrong. Telling someone judging is wrong requires you to evaluate the action of "judging" as right or wrong. It requires you to do that very thing you are criticizing I'm judging him for being judgmental, but I'm not calling other people COMPLETE LOSERS for having different priorities in life. It's like one a judgmental scale I'm a 2 but he's a 10
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:50 PM
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Because it resonate with TRPers as it's the origin story of many Because TRP loves to use (mostly made-up) anecdotes as proof for their theories
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:59 PM
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You always got it the wrong way around. It's not that having sex makes you bad at relationships. It's that people who are bad at relationships naturally will have higher numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:32 PM
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If they ever get a woman, she will either leave or cheat on him because he’s always going to be a miserable loser and companionship will not change his true nature. TRP: communication is for losers, women hate nice men and relationships require constant dread. She will leave you if she isn't constantly worried that you are going to cheat on her and if you don't make her jealous all the time Also TRP: why do women cheat on me?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:30 PM
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In reality Chad also hangs out, does sports, goes to parties, talks, etc with women, as he isn't an incel that doesn't like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:27 PM
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Whine somewhere else. The mods allow people to troll a bit in the daily
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:14 PM
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The main difference between all of those is merely what they call themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 03:03 PM
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You don't believe your moral positions are better ''in this context'' alone, you believe they are better in an absolute sense I will agree that during extreme survival situations like wartime conservative opinions might be better for the survival of a tribe
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:52 PM
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Alternatively you can keep all the pejoratives and just admit that it's not him being judgemental that's the problem, you just think that your moral opinions are better than his. In this context they obviously are better, as mine help to attract women instead of chasing them away. enjoying fun > hating fun But him being judgmental is still the problem. He hated how people enjoy having fun and considered them to be COMPLETE LOSERS, which is one of the main reasons why he didn't have any success. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:42 PM
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I'm not sure I follow I was making a joke about the misogynistic views of many of the men here. That said, do you have any examples of these universal standards that are too high that often get complained about? As a man I seriously don't understand the complaints about the incredibly high standards of most men here, as I know enough skinny or short or bald or ethnic guys that get laid a lot by being fun. I'm pretty sure though that those guys here that constantly complain are on the very bottom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:37 PM
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Who are you asking? I certainly don't give a shit who anyone wants to date
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:25 PM
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Can any man here specifically explain to me what they mean by women having standards that are too high in the context of dating and relationships? What I learned here is that women want a man, while they themselves are merely women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:15 PM
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That comment is Michael's Story, which is why the sidebar link titled Michael's Story directly links to Michael's Story and not the general article
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:13 PM
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If aliens only had access to porn and instagram they'd probably still come to more accurate conclusions about dating and women than TRPers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:11 PM
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All you actually have to do is drop the use of the word judgemental How would I tell a story about women not wanting to hook up with men that judge everything they enjoy as being bad, without using the word judgemental?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:09 PM
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He's more black pill than TRP but it's required reading because a lot of men can relate. Which is why I said that this proves all the negative stereotypes people have about TRPers Also its a strawman to say that he was looking for the wrong type of women He was only interested in fun-loving party girls and then acted surprised that those would like partying. I didn't even see his "didn't matter if they were black" comment as racist either. It's 100% racism White women love assuring white men tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:07 PM
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Incels: women love misogynists, abusive men and violent psychopaths Also incels: *never getting any interest from women as they are misogynistic, abusive, violent psychopaths*
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:02 PM
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Misogynists fuck a lot. Then why are incels virgins? In reality there's a clear correlation between sexual success and liking women. Chad doesn't hate women. He loves them, as they make him happy. And they love him as he makes them happy. The vast majority of misogynists are lonely virgins that are angry that girls don't want to sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:57 PM
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One post is not indicative trp besides the guy should take ownership before attaching himself trp It's one of the most recommended posts and sidebar material. How is that not indicative of TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:55 PM
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It's still getting recommend as required reading material. As long as TRPers strongly identify with Michael this story will be relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:54 PM
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False, it's hypocrisy to be (over)using the word judgemental as a derogatory epithet as you clearly were while also being fiercely judgemental yourself (which you have now tacitly admitted). How am I being "fiercely judgmental" for pointing out that he was being judgmental for hating anything that other people consider to be fun and for calling people with other priorities in life or tattoos COMPLETE LOSERS? Also, it's 'grave', he dug his own grave. I didn't say anything the first time but you'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:52 PM
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Just another post that undermines male spaces How am I undermining male spaces by pointing out that it's no surprise why the fun-loving party girls weren't interested in hooking up with a fun-hating judgmental nerd? Or by pointing out that he kept blaming women for not being attracted to him instead of accepting that his personality is the problem? it's always strawman's everywhere How is quoting a sidebar link a strawman argument? Do you even understand what that word means?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:48 PM
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I'm not sure if "Michael" is even a real person, a lot of the comments on that website seem like they were written by the same person Would really not be surprising at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:44 PM
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He seems obsessed with thinking he is better than people. I have seen men in this subreddit talk in a way that is very derogatory of other people. When confronted about it being one of the reasons women don’t give them a chance, they say “oh I don’t talk this way when I’m talking to women”. I highly doubt you can have that much hatred and hide it from people when you talk. These men are just delusional to how they interact with people. The same way they are delusional about about the reality of …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:38 PM
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you have to admit this Michael dude sounds a tad too obsessed with other people having sex. He did admit this by calling it "conservative moral opinions". Conservative moral opinions by definition are based on being too obsessed with other people having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:35 PM
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TRP: if I don't notice her she doesn't exist It's so often that I get the feeling that the only women that exist in their mind are the narcissist attention-loving 10s they stalk on instagram and that normal women simply don't exist as they don't notice them Same as our boy Michael here who only cared about party girls and then complains that they like to party.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:34 PM
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I get that you're a mostly deranged Leftist who simply won't have considered how idiotic it is to judge judgementalness as wrong, or what a monumental hyporcit it makes you, but you should be aware how obvious it what is really going on. There's no hypocrisy here as I'm merely pointing out that it's no surprise that the fun-loving party girls he was attracted to weren't attracted to his fun-hating and judgmental personality. People simply don't want to hook up with people that hate everything th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:19 PM
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it just hits all the buttons TRPers and incels complain about. There's one button he doesn't directly mention: he only noticed the party girls, as he only cares about 10s in revealing clothes. He only cared about the hottest fun-loving chicks that love partying and then blames them for not being attracted to his fun-hating and judgmental personality. I.e. he was/is attracted to women who look in a certain way without realizing that their looks come with a certain lifestyle as well. Oh you brough…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:14 PM
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Do you need a source to notice that the the athletes in college and high school had the most success with the female gender? "most success" =/= "getting all the girls" Michael complains that all women dated athletes, although it's his own fault for not looking for religious girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:59 PM
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People are different, but then they have to join a church group and look for similar-minded people instead of blaming fun-loving women for not enjoying his fun-hating and judgmental personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:55 PM
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What does he mean by this exactly? That he will move to Kabul soon
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:48 PM
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He sounds pretty based to me. If based means "judgmental nerd that blames women for not wanting to date him instead of accepting that his horrible personality is the problem", sure you are right. Modern women fail to live up to past standards and you should accept it. The Taliban are currently creating your outdated paradise
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:34 PM
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What is wrong with his comment? That it's required reading material of TRP despite being indistinguishable from satire against Nice Guy He doesn't want a party whore who spend her 20s riding the cc. Good for him ! He assumes that all women are like that and thus only wants to date a teenager from Ukraine. That's not smart, that's just insecurity and desperation. Idk why you people are mad when men do not want to date promiscuous women. I'm not mad at him. I'm just pointing out how hilarious it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:33 PM
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I didn’t every single RPer shared His same exact story. Unless they all do then your post is ridiculous. Doesn't the fact that it's constantly mentioned on TRP and that it's in the sidebar show that TRPers in general identify with him? You already started reading it in bad faith and looking for negative things about him to justify your point. There's no need to read it in bad faith if he shows his horrible personality so quickly and openly. Well his behavior wasnt ideal but his behavior isn’t wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:25 PM
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healthy, fulfilling relationship requires constant dread You clearly don't know what healthy means. Healthy relationships don't require jealousy, fear, drama and stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:13 PM
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Read the sidebar
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:11 PM
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Neither. I've said it once and I will say it every time again: TRP was made by antisocial nerds for antisocial nerds TRP never focuses on social circle game or social cred, as that's their biggest blind spot and only focusing on cold-approaches and OLD will not make you any less of an antisocial nerd. You've got to explore that blind spot instead of looking for ways to get around it. The greatest success a man can have is by doing social circle game. It's so much easier to get laid if you are at…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:11 PM
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You do know that no one is forcing you to date anxiously-attached drame-prone women, right? If you wouldn't choose shitty partners you wouldn't have to deal with that bullshit and could have a happy, fulfilling relationship like healthy adults do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:58 AM
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It is. It's mentioned as required reading material in various TRP beginners guides and is one of the top link in the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:57 AM
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A relationship that requires dread is a shitty relationship that should have never begun with in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:53 AM
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This is ironically a turn off. It's so funny how you guys make such absurdly stupid claims so confidently
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:52 AM
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Has any non-TRPer ever read Michael's Story? It's required TRP reading material, and it's hilarious how much it proves all the negative stereotypes about TRP. It's about a judgmental, racist, antisocial nerd that blames women for not being attracted to him, instead of accepting that he has a horrible personality. If this Michael's Story resonates with you just remember: it's not women's fault that they don't want to hook up with shitty people
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:49 AM
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More like: so here's a lie about a study and I expect you not to read my source yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 10:11 PM
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"if you know a girl is always hooking up with bodybuilders you can be sure that she doesn't like big cocks" Just got home from a night of partying with old friends and one of the girls gave this tip to me, as she herself is only dating bodybuilders as anything above average hurts her, and as she obviously absolutely loves muscles above anything else and doesn't even care if he's shorter than her as long as he looks like the hulk. It was also funny to listen to her tell stories and explain how bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 03:34 AM
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Many people, in fact, MOST men, take this as a statement of fact. Because in reality, in REAL LIFE, it's how it works. Most bitter nerds in niche blackpill subreddits and misogynistic image boards =/= most people
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:58 PM
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Never heard of that “famous”story It's in the TRP sidebar and often mentioned as required reading. No. Most men wouldn’t want to date them because a woman who has multiple male friends who she has been banging in the past is more likely to cheat. How would you feel if your boyfriend or husband constantly hung around his ex’s? Sure, we will smash the girl that has like eight guy friends but we won’t ever wife her. Speaking as a guy that does casual sex and FWB I can say that I wouldn't care and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:54 PM
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Ugliness takes the cake. Not if you are able to understand social interactions. Not taking a shower or making an effort to look nice only amplifies the ugly, but doesn't change it. For many it creates the ugly A dude that looks like a scarecrow with a nice haircut and designer clothes still looks like a scarecrow. But not creepy anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:35 PM
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How many below average men get the chance to socialise ideally Almost all?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:33 PM
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Why do people in third world countries like the US even get children if they have so little parental leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:29 PM
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The point is that a large part of the whole "they're only considered creepy when unattractive" thing is just pointing out that attractive people can often get away with things that unattractive people can't, and this applies to men and women. And my point is also that the guys here couldn't even tell if the attractive guy does something different as they are blind to all the social norms he's following, the social cues he's noticing and the IOIs he's playing with. No, but it means people tend to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:25 PM
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Words have meaning. Yes words have meaning and I'm using the commonly used meaning. In the mainstream incel doesn't refer to unsuccessful guys, but to violent misogynists that blame their lack on success on women. Use the correct variables. Immutable fields only!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:21 PM
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According to people without functional levels of EQ they are the same, but in reality creepiness is mostly caused by a lack of social skills, not picking up in social cues and not following social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:16 PM
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Incels aren't a hate group. They're men who can't get laid. I'm not talking about male virgins. I'm talking about incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:12 PM
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We should stay on topic. This thread is about factors that make one creepy, but not about factors that make one ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:10 PM
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There might be some overlap, but that's like calling some terrorist a jihadi even if he's a Christian But if someone willingly identifies as part of a known hate-group like incels or jihadists do I will rightfully assume that they are violent misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:08 PM
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How is one "kind-of" involuntarily celibate? I'm not talking about virgins. I'm talking about incels, which the guy I was talking about kind of is by writing misogynistic comments online and murdering his ex-wife
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:56 PM
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I see... so to you, bald men are racist neoNazis. How do you manage to misunderstand "I hang out with leftist skinheads" as "all bald men are nazis"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:54 PM
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A lot of the time, ugliness is correlated with getting the label. Conjecture. Most of the time it's not picking up on social cues and not following social norms. And even for 'ugly' people in the vast majority of cases it's not the ugliness they were born with, but the ugliness they gave themselves by not taking a shower, having greasy hair, dirty clothes, pale skin, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:50 PM
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The comic is a parody of real life. Can you not tell the difference between fact and opinion? The comic is a parody based on what the author considers to be real life. The personal opinion of an author is not the same as an accurate description of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:46 PM
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Your inability or unwillingness to observe human behavior and draw conclusions from it is your problem, not mine. Your inability or unwillingness to face the truth is your problem, not mine. I know enough leftist Skinheads to know that there's plenty of women that like bald heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:44 PM
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I think I said absolutely nothing that could nudge you towards this conclusion. You repeatedly said that EQ doesn't exist and equated emotional intelligence to Thetans So what is it? Are autists just as good at reading social cues and emotions as neurotypicals, or are some people better or worse at it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:43 PM
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An incel comic isn't proof of anything
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:37 PM
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You can believe whatever you want to believe in your fantasy world Says the guy who needs to use a made-up quote as proof
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:36 PM
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So you don't think that there's any differences in how autists (don't) perceive social cues and how neurotypicals perceive them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:34 PM
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Observing behavior is social sciences. Social sciences combat biases, while you guys actively reinforce your confirmation and selection bias. The scientific method is a lot more than having a bunch of antisocial nerds exchange anecdotes that fit into a preexisting assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:32 PM
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Which is what I will gladly do and why I moved here, as I'm happy to have basically free education, healthcare, public transport and affordable housing. I pay more in taxes, but have more money left at the end of each month as I pay less for basic survival. And in the case of an accident I can live on without having to worry about being in debt all my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:30 PM
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Chad's 'don't keep pushing...' Chad isn't desperate. If she doesn't want him he knows that he can just walk to the next one, instead of desperately trying to turn her lack of interest around.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:28 PM
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I'm OK with a bald man. I can accept a bald man. I don't mind that you're bald, though I'd much much prefer a man who has all his own hair. I have accepted the fact that I have to settle for a bald man. But I have to say I love bald men because I need to help you feel better about yourself so I don't lose you prematurely; and I need to keep the hamster satisfied that I really am getting the best man/men I can get. Great job on using a made-up quote as a source! I can also do the same I love bald…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:27 PM
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I've been on both sides of the '80/20' line, chad and non-chad, in my life So you took a shower, got a haircut, started dressing better, took care of yourself, got a tan, started working out, etc All of those things are perfectly in line with what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:26 PM
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This is a logical jump that cannot be done without empirical evidence. Empirical evidence shows for example that Czechian women who are divorced or in disagreement on child custody have higher emotional intelligence than general population; something that we'd expect the opposite of if EQ was "the silver bullet" of relationships. How did they measure their emotional intelligence if it doesn't exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:24 PM
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You can't just assume that those are independent of each other. It just so happens that 50% of CEO’s are 6’ despite making up 16% of the population. 95% of CEOs are white, and 38% of white people are 6' or taller It just so happens that less than 10% of CEO’s are 5’7 despite making up 25% of the population. 90% of white people are taller than 5'7" And we've also got to factor in that most CEOs come from affluent backgrounds which also correlates to being taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:23 PM
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Some women associate conventional unattractiveness with creepiness faster than others. As I explained to people with functional levels of EQ it's always clear that it's not the fact that he's unattractive but his creepy mannerisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:15 PM
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And most don't care if he shaves his head and is confident about it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:13 PM
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TIL that "kind-of-incel" is the exact same as "incel" and that nuance doesn't exist!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:11 PM
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I'm using the mainstream definition of incel that refers to bitter misogynists that blame women for all their problems. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Incel Member of online comunity called incels Self delusional,egoistic pretends to be a nice guy Blames others for his deprivation of sex or romantic relationship Often has stereotypes for others A person who is unable to find romantic partner or thinks is deprived of sex by other guys called CHAD Possibly to become mass murder or…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:10 PM
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I didn't change my premise, as even in my OP post I mentioned sick people: Like unpredictable crazy people are creepy or people that appear to be sick or unkempt. but do you really expect that people don't care and that you can get laid while visibly being sick? I mean, I didn't even think that I would need to explain that people are naturally creeped out by puss, infections and diseases. And that all has nothing to do with the topic, as being sick is something else than having been born ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 03:05 PM
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Age (this is probably the biggest one) Don't hit on women that could be your children. Height Not one of the important factors for creepiness Balding Also not an important factor for creepiness, and you can always shave your head. Facial structure Not the reason unless you have a genetic defect, which is rare and we don't consider us with extreme outliers here For 99.99% of men creepiness is in their control.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:59 PM
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it does mean that EQ does not exist How do you go from "IQ is more important in sales than EQ" to "EQ doesn't exist"? Let me quote your own source again, because you clearly didn't read it the first time: This isn’t to say that emotional intelligence is useless. It's relevant to performance in jobs where you have to deal with emotions every day, like sales, real estate, and counseling. If you’re selling a house or helping people cope with tragedies, it’s very useful to know what they’re feeling …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:53 PM
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Are most women okay with a bald guy? More than with a receding hairline. "Find someone who is okay with you being bald" is out of the question here because many women don't And many do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:50 PM
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So if someone has liver failure and their eyes and skin are yellow, women can judge them as creepy and it's acceptable? Yes. It's acceptable to feel creeped out by sick individuals as it's natural that you are afraid of catching something. Men also don't want to interact with people that look sick. That got nothing to do with gender and everything to do with survival mechanisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:49 PM
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Did you even read your source? It doesn't say that EQ doesn't exist. It says that it's not important for most jobs This isn’t to say that emotional intelligence is useless. It's relevant to performance in jobs where you have to deal with emotions every day, like sales, real estate, and counseling. If you’re selling a house or helping people cope with tragedies, it’s very useful to know what they’re feeling and respond appropriately. But in jobs that lack these emotional demands—like engineering,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:44 PM
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So it proves our point, women judge creepiness off of physical appearance, not behaviour. Physical appearance that's based on your behavior, like not taking care of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:41 PM
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Almost Yeah because if you happen to have genetic problems and look like the Elephant Man it's not under your control, but for 99.999% of men it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:39 PM
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Shaving your head is in your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:37 PM
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Pointing out that you guys are wrong about women isn't the same as defending the wrong beliefs you guys have about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:36 PM
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It's in the west, but there's no gang violence here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:34 PM
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In mainstream usage Incel no longer means involuntary celibate. Those are just virgins. Incel nowadays refers to the misogynistic Elliot Rodgers kind of guys
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:23 PM
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Me: if you think that being ugly is what makes you creepy you don't understand social skills The geniuses here: that's not true, social skills don't exist and only looks matter
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:20 PM
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even when men are far more likely to be victims of crime. In my country women are twice as likely to get murdered than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:16 PM
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By vocally hating women and then killing one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:09 PM
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Not free, but basically free in the sense that it's 1) much cheaper (1500-4000 instead of 30000-50000) 2) mostly covered by insurance (75-100% depending on the procedure)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:08 PM
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It’s not so easy for anyone to correct crooked teeth. That’s expensive as fuck Lol I always forget that American have to pay 50k dollars for things I get for basically free.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 01:45 PM
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I can read social cues He listed the only "social cue": ugliness. "I'm not color blind. I can see the only color: gray"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 01:43 PM
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You can brush your teeth regularly or get them fixed. And you can get more sleep if you have dark and sullen eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 01:37 PM
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The liberties I've seen tall handsome men take with women are shocking. The fact that you don't notice the social cues and IOIs those handsome men are following doesn't mean that they don't exist. You see it enough times and you realise there really are two classes of men But do you even see it? You see situations, but do you see the nonverbal cues? You know, if someone tells me that there's only dots on a color blind test this doesn't prove that the number isn't there, and I will rightfully ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 01:29 PM
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If you're sufficiently hot (guy or girl) nothing you do is creepy Everyone that has a social life knows that there's attractive looking people that give off a creepy vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 01:21 PM
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That's what women have felt it means and thus began using it incorrectly in that manner but that doesn't mean the definition now has changed If most people and mainstream media now use it to refer to mentally ill misogynists then that's what this word means to most people. Words change meaning over time depending on how they are used. That's normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 01:18 PM
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Most participants (mostly women) made judgements of creepiness in less than ten seconds. Meaning that they mostly make judgements of creepiness based on physical appearance alone. But in this case physical appearance mostly refers to traits that relate to being unhealthy, physically sick or mentally ill, like being unshowered, having unkempt hair, having dark and sullen eyes, being too pale, wearing dirty clothes, etc And even if you only see someone for ten seconds you can get a feeling of thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 01:17 PM
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Yes, word have meanings and to most people incel doesn't mean "involuntary celibate", but "angry misogynist that's probably going to run amok" Not all male virgins will be considered to be incels. Only those that give of an Elliot Rodgers vibe do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 01:11 PM
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will identify as politically “progressive” don’t believe men can be bisexual I've seen it more often that they assume that someone is bisexual but too afraid to show his gay side
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 12:58 PM
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Would there be anything like an 80% participation rate for both men and women in regular sexual activity? There's the book Do Communists Have Better Sex about West and East Germany where they showed that people in the east had sex earlier, more often and with more satisfaction, mostly due to social security nets and easier access to abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 12:26 PM
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Not in English so pointless
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 12:16 PM
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There is no such thing as creepy only ugly. Thanks for proving my point, but that belongs to the automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 12:12 PM
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Instead of me calling this outright delusional, explain to me why so many generations of women have dealt with, discussed, and advised against pump and dumps and other precarious sexual outcomes with men See, going directly from FWB to pump and dump is no different than TRPers going directly from marriage to getting a dead bedroom and their resources extracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:48 AM
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Gotta agree with the other user. The guy wasn't even ugly, just severely mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:17 AM
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Also often those attractive men are responding to subtle IOIs that less attractive men don't get as often. True, to people with low EQ the situations may seem similar, but to people that can pick up on subtle signs there's always a vast difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:15 AM
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So going over to a women at a bar and introducing yourself and trying to strike up a conversation in a perfectly normal way is more creepy than going over putting your arm around her waist pulling her in and saying "so what are we up to tonight" ??? There's always more context, and I highly doubt it was done in a perfectly normal way if it was considered to be so creepy, as that's not how it plays out in reality. Chad has seen her looking at him, they were already eye-fucking each other and then…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:05 AM
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Not sure I've ever considered pinkpillers to be antisocial virgins. Vote Not that aspect, but rather the taking their bitter experiences as a base for their theories. Like not wanting FWBs as they will only get strung along, although that's a rare occurance in most FWB situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 11:04 AM
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Pink Pill: we don't like red pill men Also Pink Pill: is like a gender-switched red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:59 AM
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Why is the blackpill subreddit full of scientific studies and data I wouldn't coubt extreme misinterpretations of studies as being full of scientific studies, and I also don't count their unscientific Tinder Studies as scientific studies
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:57 AM
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I've got chad friends who I've seen do things that would get me labeled a creep if I tried it just because they are good looking. The Chad friends are well dressed, took a shower, first smile at her to gauge her interest, and don't keep on pushing when they feel that she's not interested. There are women out there who will label a guy a creep just because he isn't attractive enough to her. It's not his looks, but the creepy way in which he approached her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:48 AM
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It takes a fucking BAD genetic roll of the dice to be creepy purely on genetics. Probably less than 1%. If the Elephant Man complained he would have a point sure, but for the vast majority it's their lack of social understanding and not their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:45 AM
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not all black pillers are misogynistic. Since when do we care about extreme outliers?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:41 AM
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The ex-wife is why I said kind-of, but his attitude towards women is why I said incel
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:41 AM
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They go hand in hand
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:34 AM
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Black Pill: women are the useless pieces of shit that are attached to a vagina and should have never been given the right to vote Also Black Pill: why do women not like me?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:29 AM
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Where I'm living right now there was a kind-of-incel anti-feminist guy that first catcalled a female liberal politician with rude comments, then when she complained on Twitter he sent her hateful comments on Facebook, then claimed it wasn't him but just his account, and then a month later he killed his ex-wife in a drunken rage. Then a right-wing politician accused that female politician of being responsible for that murder, as she made his hateful Facebook messages public.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:25 AM
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BP: we disagree with TRP Also BP: we don't agree with TRP It's hard to do BP as they don't have any common ideology except disagreement with some or more RP theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 10:15 AM
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I didn't know that 8s don't work
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:33 AM
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That's just what people without any EQ or social skills assume, as they are blind to the factors that actually make them creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:23 AM
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TRP: all our views are based on facts and logic Also TRP: why should we post sources? Me and a hundred other antisocial virgins have made the same experience so it must be the truth It's really ironic that they are calling men the logical gender while basing their whole ideology around feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:22 AM
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I've had TRPers swiftly and gleefully dismiss my lived experiences if it isn't consistent with their prejudices. In fact, the only thing TRPers are consistent in is their willingness to invalidate anything--study or anecdote--that disagrees with them. It's really amazing how great TRPers are at willfully ignoring anything that doesn't align with their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:13 AM
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Translation: you can rely on facts, but I only care about feelings!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 09:09 AM
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Too bad that in reality "red pill" always stands for "completely delusional conspiracy theories"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:58 AM
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"women like attractive men" is only how TRP lures clueless virgins in, but then TRP goes off the track with all the "women are illogical and mentally-handicapped children that want to get raped by dark triad alphas" and other garbage If Red Pill was just that women like attractive men no one would have any problem, as that's the exact same as mainstream advice. It's all the bitter misogyny that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:56 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 08:35 AM
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plenty of unsubstantiated assumptions about redpill men That are mostly true. That's what you most of you guys tell me about yourself, and it's also described in the famous Michael's Story that you guys love so much fwb is basically the equivalent of getting pumped and dumped just with less risk of std. you are still getting fucked by someone who won’t commit to you That's just your revenge fantasy. In reality they often stay friends or turn it into a relationship. the kind of women having sex w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 07:46 AM
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I’m saying that’s the reaction, not my opinion. Women have a problem? He for she. Men have a problem? “Not your bang-mommy-therapist” Just because you are making this up this doesn't mean that it's actually happening that way
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 09:25 PM
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Well in a FWB there's already more of a bond and compatibility to begin with, so it's easier to upgrade than a completely casual one. But one step would be exclusive casual first.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 05:45 PM
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Those with good experiences wouldn't complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 05:27 PM
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It's more common that FWB situations stay friends or turn into a relationship rather than stopping being friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 05:19 PM
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It's appears to be just another odd natural difference between sexes from what I can tell. The odd natural difference is that men eat more meat. Like in Asia men will also eat more meat than women, but not less vegetables. But the societal idea that men who eat vegetables are faggots is this natural difference taken to an extreme and turned into a prescription rather than a description.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 05:07 PM
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Sex is nice, you like each other so you start going on dates and doing more non-sex stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 04:48 PM
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See the Gillette commercial for examples Which is about societal ideas like Boys Will Be Boys (normalizing bullying)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 04:35 PM
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What is this have to do with them being a man or toxic masculinity In the US there's a strong gender difference in the willingness to eat vegetables. In the US there's also a lot of societal ideas like "Real Men eat meat", "Vegetarian: native american word for bad hunter", "soyboy", etc In other countries where those societal norms aren't pushed on men there's no gender difference in the willingness to eat vegetables. So the fact that those kind of societal messages are preventing many US men fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 04:33 PM
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In Korea women are seen as the logical gender that plans ahead, as those skills are needed to raise children and take care of a household. While men are seen as emotional for letting their anger and impulsiveness take control of them. Once you start looking for patterns you will see them, especially if you do it like TRPers that will twist reality as much as needed to create those patterns. Anything logical a woman says will automatically be dismissed as emotional garbage while anything emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 04:26 PM
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