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FeminismGabriel25Th/r/MensRights01/07/26 01:10 AM
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GeneralGabriel25Th/r/MensRights29/01/26 01:21 AM
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Are you gonna claim that a man touching a boob of a statue is the same as sexual harassment? I didn't say it is. I talked about offensive gestures, whether it was dog whistle for rape or anything. You shouldn't be offended, after all it's just a statue, snowflake.
/r/MensRights02/08/26 09:39 PM
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According to your reasoning, there would be nothing wrong with a man making offensive gestures towards statues of women, and if a man comes up with the "hilarious" joke of writing "raped" on a female statue, there's no need to be offended, after all it's just a statue, not a real woman, the symbolic aspect should be ignored completely. Finally, calling someone "snowflake" is not an argument, it is just a form of emotional invalidation.
/r/MensRights02/08/26 08:44 PM
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I've never said it doesn't happen. But when I've seen it happen—men physically humiliating women—what you see is a lot of people insulting them, calling them gay, ugly, and so on. I don't see the same outrage when women physically humiliate men. The main point I wanted to make is the double standard and feminist hypocrisy. I've seen a lot of things, for example, women on TikTok reacting to a leaked (illegal) intimate video to mock a man's genitals, then sharing the video with other women. I've n…
/r/MensRights02/08/26 07:54 PM
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According to her reasoning, there would be nothing wrong with a man making offensive gestures towards statues of women, and if a man comes up with the "hilarious" joke of writing "raped" on a female statue, there's no need to be offended, after all it's just a statue, not a real woman, the symbolic aspect should be ignored completely.
/r/MensRights05/07/26 06:04 PM
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Absolutely 🗝💎
/r/MensRights05/07/26 12:31 PM
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They'll come up with the most pathetic excuses possible just to keep engaging in body shaming. Like the woman in the video, who excuses herself by saying she was making fun of a statue's penis, not men's penises 🤦 And when someone comments that her video makes them feel insecure, she invalidates their feelings, because the satisfaction of making small penis jokes is more important than worrying about the insecurities she causes in other guys.
/r/MensRights05/07/26 02:27 AM
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It's incredible how she lives in a parallel reality where misogyny is tolerated while misandry is repudiated and seen as unacceptable. Almost everything she says seems so detached from the real world; apparently, #notalmen is a good gesture from feminists and wasn't meant to be satirical and mock men. It turns out that, according to her, our society condemns female rapists while tolerating or justifying male rapists.
/r/MensRights24/06/26 01:14 PM
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Of course, because being falsely accused of being a virgin is the same as being falsely accused of rape or pedophilia. You're clearly a genius; any group of people can be accused of something, for example, falsely accusing them of being bad drivers or having bad breath.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 05:10 AM
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So what? Did I ask that? The point is, she hated men. You said she would have shot regardless of the victim's sex, based on the fact that she also wrote some negative things about women. Then you admit that her contempt for women wasn't equivalent, so your reasoning is invalid. The available documentation points to a combination of personal factors, persecutory delusions, and an extremely hostile ideology toward men. Ignoring the latter is just a childish tantrum on your part.
/r/MensRights23/06/26 12:10 AM
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writing some negative things ≠ equivalent contempt
/r/MensRights21/06/26 05:35 PM
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Just like with police brutality against Black people, someone might excuse themselves by appealing to a perceived imminent threat: Officers often claim they "feared for their lives" or that the suspect made a sudden movement that appeared to reach for a weapon, justifying the use of lethal force under the principle of self-defense. The problem with these cases is that it's difficult to prove racism, since we would have to demonstrate that each specific instance of police brutality wouldn't have …
/r/MensRights21/06/26 04:27 PM
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I don't know... maybe it's because female victims already have a lot of social and institutional support, while men don't. You're asking us to talk about women's issues in an MRA community! You already have your communities, which are much larger and have much more support. You're not understanding anything, because the reason we talk about male victims of sexual assault isn't because we believe these assaults are mostly suffered by men, but because our suffering is minimized, ridiculed, and not…
/r/MensRights14/06/26 09:43 PM
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You didn't even understand the point of my counterargument and responded with something completely unrelated to what I said. I did understand what you said; you were referring to the fact that violent crimes committed by Black people are primarily directed against Black people, not white people, and that therefore it's unfair to compare buses for white people with buses for women. I already pointed out why that's a weak argument, and you didn't get it.
/r/MensRights08/06/26 03:08 PM
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Relax, there's no AI, it seems you're having nightmares about it. Your current explanation makes even less sense than your previous reasoning. Seriously, it's incredibly incoherent. Instead of writing all that nonsense, you would have been better off just saying, "It's like that because I say so."
/r/MensRights08/06/26 05:51 AM
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Your argument is weak; it makes the legitimacy of the measure dependent on a relative statistical comparison. According to this criterion: If women suffer 100 assaults and men 10, there would be justification. But if women suffer 100 and men 100, the justification would disappear. The situation for women hasn't improved. They continue to suffer exactly the same 100 assaults. The only thing that has changed is that assaults against men have increased. Therefore, the need for protection for women …
/r/MensRights08/06/26 12:35 AM
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Feminists didn't invent misandry, they just adapted something that already existed to their discourse. Furthermore, just because people don't consider it to be anti-men, doesn't mean it isn't. And it's not as if those reactionaries are friendly to the men's rights movement; they are the opposite of a safe place for men.
/r/MensRights02/06/26 11:21 PM
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The moment you mentioned “patriarchal norms,” you lost all credibility. You can't compare a measure to help a disproportionately disadvantaged demographic, like an educational support plan, with a misandrist segregation measure that views men as a threat. Providing an educational support plan doesn't involve a view where everyone else is a potential rapist or harasser. It's an absurd comparison. Statistics on harassment, especially in West Asian countries, aren't really emotional. But I wasn't t…
/r/MensRights01/06/26 06:54 PM
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Of course, it's important that you understand the context and the reasoning behind why these measures are applied. Then you would realize that there isn't much difference between exclusive spaces for women and exclusive spaces for whites. The problem is that men are actually a vulnerable group, but for politicians, men are seen as a privileged group. This allows them to implement this type of discriminatory measures, arguing that it’s “spitting upwards,” when in reality they are spitting downwar…
/r/MensRights01/06/26 03:30 PM
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“It wouldn’t have happened if men didn’t harass women so much.” I have the impression I’ve heard something similar before… “Separate spaces for Black people on public transport wouldn’t have happened if Black people weren’t such thieves.”
/r/MensRights01/06/26 01:21 PM
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You're the only one defending racism. You imply that racism would be justified if Black people were "more dangerous," but that for now, racism shouldn't be tolerated because Black people aren't "dangerous" enough. The level of "dangerousness" at which you decide it's justified to discriminate against a group is completely arbitrary. You simply say that men reach that level and Black people don't. Why not? Because you feel like it.
/r/MensRights01/06/26 05:16 AM
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Excluding vulnerable groups might make you feel safer. For example, excluding Black people from a neighborhood to make the neighborhood's residents safer. Statistically, this is true, but it violates human rights. The ICERD and CEDAW protect against such measures. If you are in favor of equality, then you should also defend the “Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Men and Boys” and therefore ensure that governments cannot apply such discriminatory measures again…
/r/MensRights01/06/26 03:01 AM
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Just like other misandrist measures, such as mandatory military service, they are not exclusive to progressive countries.
/r/MensRights31/05/26 11:33 PM
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I suppose you're not opposed to creating buses exclusively for white people either, right?
/r/MensRights31/05/26 10:33 PM
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The difference lies in the reason: why is there a space exclusively for women and another exclusively for white people? The former is necessary for privacy, due to the modesty of both sexes. In the latter case, there's a racist discourse behind it; Black people are seen as suspicious, untrustworthy, dangerous, a threat.
/r/MensRights31/05/26 10:29 PM
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Excluding vulnerable groups might make you feel safer. For example, excluding Black people from a neighborhood to make the neighborhood's residents safer. Statistically, this is true, but it violates human rights. The ICERD and CEDAW protect against such measures.
/r/MensRights31/05/26 10:09 PM
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https://doi.org/10.31374/sjms.197
/r/MensRights15/05/26 07:27 PM
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I couldn't find any reliable source that says a majority of women would vote to abolish mandatory conscription for men. The only thing I found on the subject was a study about Finland that claims there are no significant differences between men and women in their support for the model of mandatory male conscription. Could you share the source of your information? Hart, L., Häggblom, E., & Pulkka, A. (2023). Gender and Generation Differences in Finnish Defence Policy Opinions 2000–2020. Scandinav…
/r/MensRights15/05/26 06:24 PM
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The point is that it is generally argued that women do not support conscription and that "men are the problem"
/r/MensRights14/05/26 06:42 PM
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There are weak men and strong women. Some men are weaker than the average woman, and some women are stronger than the average man. And well... the rest of your argument is basically the same thing racists do, appealing to racial statistics.
/r/MensRights12/05/26 03:09 AM
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In my case, I would simply reject it; it wouldn't bother me at all. I think they're making a poor comparison, since the main reason a man would say he's "bothered when a man approaches him to flirt" is due to internalized homophobia, and homophobia is primarily misandry. In other words, men who are bothered by this are mainly misandrists. By making this absurd comparison, they're shooting themselves in the foot, since their comparison depends on forms of discrimination—in this case, homophobia—b…
/r/MensRights12/05/26 02:39 AM
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Look, we all know that if the tables were turned, women would be making excuses for those immature girls, saying things like, “they’re just kids, they’re acting out because they’re nervous, don’t be so hard on them.” At the same time, they’d be furious at the guy for being rude to them. It doesn’t matter if the genders were flipped; they’d still try to paint the guy as the villain and the girl as the saint.
/r/MensRights03/05/26 01:39 PM
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The girl tries to ask for help when some boys interrupt. One of them interrupts, saying "middle school" in a tone that makes it clear he's trying to be funny. Perhaps the joke is that she said "high school," and then the boy says "middle school," implying that she looks too young to be in high school.
/r/MensRights03/05/26 12:45 PM
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It’s a sign that they held fairly hostile views toward men and that the group tolerated that kind of language. People tend to show who they really are in three contexts: when they feel backed by their group, when they’re frustrated or on the defensive, and when they think there won’t be any social cost for saying what they think. In this case, they launched into a speech with fairly structured ideological vocabulary; it doesn’t sound like a simple ‘it just slipped out,’ but rather something they…
/r/MensRights30/04/26 01:27 PM
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the famous “side effects” of patriarchy. The cost of privilege, the collateral damage of being the most privileged creature in the world.
/r/MensRights24/04/26 07:07 PM
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But when the roles are reversed, the excuse 'those people are just joking' doesn't apply. Stop being a hypocrite
/r/MensRights13/04/26 12:58 AM
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Haven't you noticed that many women who express misandrist views identify as feminists? Even those who claim not to be often repeat concepts, ideas, and terms from feminist theory. It's true that negative experiences with a group can influence the development of hostility toward that group, whether it's toward men, the poor, or any other group. However, those experiences alone are not enough to explain it. In fact, women who grow up in strongly patriarchal environments often don't identify as mi…
/r/MensRights03/04/26 06:27 PM
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It's not that hard to understand; everything he mentioned are problems that primarily affect men, for example, homophobic homicides, where the victims are mainly men. Although I didn't understand the part about misogyny. Perhaps it refers to the idea that the less misandric a person is, the less misogynistic they are as well. Some research indicates that people who exhibit less sexism against men are also less sexist against women. I've observed this myself when interacting with misogynistic ind…
/r/MensRights28/03/26 08:35 PM
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To begin with, misandry isn't exclusively a female trait; most men also exhibit some degree of misandry. Misandry exists when we avoid saying or doing certain things because we know they'll generate rejection from women or men. Misandry exists when we feel compelled to remain silent to avoid being seen as bitter. Misandry is present in the way people talk about men compared to how they talk about women. Misandry exists when people choose which "jokes" to tell and which to avoid. Misandry is pres…
/r/MensRights13/03/26 12:43 PM
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Para empezar, la misandria no es algo exclusivamente de mujeres, la mayoría de hombres también tiene cierto grado de misandria. Hay misandria cuando evitamos decir o hacer ciertas cosas porque sabemos que eso generará rechazo en mujeres u hombres. Hay misandria cuando hay que callarse para no ser visto como un amargado. Hay misandria en la forma en que las personas hablan de los hombres en comparación a cómo hablan de las mujeres. Hay misandria cuando la gente elige qué “chistes” hacer y cuáles …
/r/MensRights13/03/26 12:41 PM
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Misandry is structural violence. Misandry did not begin in 2012 or in 1990; feminists did not create misandry—it already existed long before. A clear historical example is the myth of the black rapist, which constructed the Black man as an intrinsic sexual threat. “But that is not because he is a man, but because he is Black.” If you are familiar with intersectionality, then you know that gender interacted with race: the stereotype did not fall upon Black women in the same way. Misandry manifest…
/r/MensRights13/03/26 05:25 AM
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If they are ceasing to be feminists in order to align themselves with social conservatism, then it's not very useful.
/r/MensRights24/02/26 11:06 PM
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Your understanding of the structures that perpetuate inequality is very superficial; you interpret this as “the defense of women is working.” That’s as ridiculous as someone talking about the Missing White Woman Syndrome and you saying, “A lot of Black people are angry because advocacy for white people is working, and instead of trying to do the same for Black people, they just get mad.” Before blurting out nonsense, have you ever stopped to think that historically men’s lives have been devalued…
/r/MensRights11/02/26 02:20 PM
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Are you kidding me? What you're saying makes no sense, it sounds like ragebait.
/r/MensRights11/02/26 05:41 AM
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I'm sure Mexico is doing a great job; it must be implementing measures to help boys in their education, right? Wait, it seems they only care about girls and female students.
/r/MensRights11/02/26 05:35 AM
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Even if it were true that the feminiteca is located in a rural area where girls have less access to education, it would still be a tremendously sexist measure. To begin with, at the national level, men graduate less and drop out of school at higher rates. Focusing exclusively on a specific rural area where women are worse off amounts to misandry, given that overall men are at greater risk. — “Hey, men are dropping out of school.” — “I don’t give a damn. Let’s focus instead on this specific place…
/r/MensRights11/02/26 05:18 AM
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If you don't see the problem with feminitecas, then you're part of the problem. Boys are dropping out of school more often and falling behind in their education, so it would be "more logical" for those spaces to be for boys only, if we were to follow feminist reasoning.
/r/MensRights11/02/26 04:12 AM
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Any surgical procedure carries risks, and although the incidence of complications in the case of vasectomy is not particularly high, the risk does exist and should not be dismissed as trivial: Post-vasectomy pain syndrome. The estimated incidence of this condition is around 7 out of every 100 vasectomized men. It can be debilitating, presenting as constant pain or pain during physical activity or ejaculation. The pain persists for months or even years. Fluid accumulation in the testicles, which …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 07:27 PM
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ADHD in adults can cause involuntary or semi-involuntary movements that the person doesn't always perceive as bothersome to others: Motor hyperactivity – Many adults with ADHD have a constant need to move: swinging their legs, drumming their fingers, constantly changing position, fidgeting with objects. They are often unaware they are doing this until someone points it out. Proprioceptive and spatial awareness problems – They may bump into things, inadvertently invade others' personal space, or …
/r/MensRights24/01/26 05:39 PM
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Again this traditional thinking to maintain the status quo where men cannot talk about their feelings or cry.
/r/MensRights20/01/26 06:03 PM
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That your partner—whether male or female—pushes you or yells at you does not justify responding with a punch. What I am pointing out is the double standard: when a man hits his girlfriend because she pushed or yelled at him, he is automatically considered violent and a danger; but when a woman hits her boyfriend for the same reasons, it is often said that “the man deserves it.” What I argue is that both should be treated equally, without this double standard. Now, if your partner not only pushes…
/r/MensRights17/01/26 04:12 PM
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It's a parody of mandatory military service in Mexico.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/26 11:19 PM
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Solution to the Declining Birth Rate in Mexico In response to the declining birth rate in Mexico, a “mandatory reproductive social service” could be implemented exclusively for women. This program would include training in motherhood and caregiving, as well as the active promotion of procreation. It would be justified under the banners of “values education,” “social responsibility,” and “demographic sustainability.” Without forcing women to have children, the program would nevertheless require t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/26 11:57 PM
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You are conflating different levels of analysis. One thing is to describe a cognitive heuristic, and quite another to justify sexist discourse and hate speech. That someone may tend to imagine an aggressor as male can be explained as a heuristic. But writing “men” or “always a man” is not a cognitive shortcut: it is collective attribution of guilt and sex-based dehumanization. That is already sexism—more precisely, misandry. My point does not hinge on “3 out of 5” being a statistically meaningfu…
/r/MensRights11/01/26 09:33 PM
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But we already know that feminists will intervene to prevent that from happening.
/r/MensRights11/01/26 05:36 PM
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Exactly—few countries legally define rape as sex without consent. In most of them, a woman can only be considered a rapist if there is anal or vaginal penetration (the man must be penetrated), which leaves out many cases in which a lack of sexual consent exists but does not fit a definition centered on the male aggressor. In practice, the dominant definition of rape continues to be designed around men as perpetrators. Even in anonymous surveys, the results are likely biased by sociocultural fact…
/r/MensRights06/01/26 04:37 AM
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because it was translated using the Google translator function that the browser has
/r/MensRights20/12/25 09:06 PM
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I liked the first two books, but in the case of the third book, I only got halfway through. I didn't like it; besides being incredibly boring, it's full of misandry.
/r/MensRights19/12/25 04:29 PM
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I didn't say that there aren't women who worry about how tight their vagina is or how it looks, but it doesn't seem to be a widespread concern. So I thought it best to compare one widespread concern with another widespread concern.
/r/MensRights17/12/25 12:07 PM
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I don’t think it’s necessary to change the comparison. Comments about a “loose” or “not tight enough” vagina tend to work in a different way: they are usually used to imply promiscuity or to moralize a woman’s sexual behavior, rather than to evaluate her ability to sexually satisfy someone else. It’s a different kind of insult, with a different logic. Whether a vagina is more or less “tight” is not socially framed as a functional defect that needs to be compensated for, but as a moral judgment a…
/r/MensRights17/12/25 11:04 AM
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I don't consider a man with a small penis to have a defect, just as I don't consider a woman with small breasts to have a defect.
/r/MensRights16/12/25 05:44 PM
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As far as men insecure about their size, I've often heard a lot of women say it's about how you use it moreso than it's size. These comments implicitly start from the idea that having a “small penis” is a flaw that needs to be compensated for. That’s why, when it becomes known that a man has a small penis, the remarks meant to “defend” him don’t challenge that assumption but rather reinforce it: “he may be small, but it doesn’t matter because he has money,” or “he’s small, but he knows how to pl…
/r/MensRights16/12/25 05:36 PM
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spanish
/r/MensRights15/12/25 02:06 AM
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Google Translate does the same thing
/r/MensRights14/12/25 07:41 PM
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The equivalent would be your girlfriend waking you up in the woman-on-top position. In other words, the woman inserts the man’s erect penis into her vagina. What you mentioned is very outdated — it’s the idea that a man can only be raped anally. And yes, both things are rape; I never said they weren’t 🤦‍♀️. But you can’t compare that to receiving a false accusation. I’m sure many men who’ve gone through that would prefer that over facing a false accusation — and just to be clear, I didn’t say al…
/r/MensRights06/12/25 03:59 PM
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i truly feel anyone making these claims does not understand how deeply scarring these experiences are. And do you understand how traumatic it is to be the victim of a false report? even if it doesn't land you in prison. Furthermore, you are ignoring that multiple situations that were not previously considered rape are currently considered rape, for example, penetrating your girlfriend while she sleeps. Are you saying that's worse than receiving a false rape report?
/r/MensRights06/12/25 02:07 PM
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If someone robs you, the logical thing to do is report it, because you don’t really have another choice. When you’re the victim of a robbery, filing a report isn’t optional—it’s a necessity. If nobody reported crimes, the world would be chaotic. It’s, so to speak, “the lesser evil.” Of course, the state should ensure that incarcerated people are not raped or assaulted, but we know that in countries like the United States, the rape of male inmates is, unfortunately, socially accepted as part of t…
/r/MensRights06/12/25 01:56 PM
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Rape victims, both male and female, can test you that nothing equates to this. What about the victims of false accusations who end up being raped in prison? And the men who commit suicide? I feel like you just made that fact up.
/r/MensRights06/12/25 11:46 AM
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Huge straw man fallacy. I was talking about someone who deliberately lets rapists into their house so they can rape someone. You’re talking about cases where the person has no intention of facilitating a rape and no prior knowledge of the risk.
/r/MensRights06/12/25 11:42 AM
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Nobody said that rapists aren’t guilty 🤦‍♀️ We’re simply saying that someone who deliberately lets rapists into their house so they can rape a third person is just as guilty as they are. Don’t you agree?”
/r/MensRights06/12/25 11:12 AM
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In my post, I didn’t talk about all cases. I said that making a false accusation can end up being worse than committing rape, depending on the situation. You yourself have said that only 40% of rape victims end up with an STD. Moreover, you’re ignoring the cases of false accusations that result in the man being raped in prison, or being assaulted or even killed by people trying to take justice into their own hands. Even if many cases of false accusations don’t lead to deaths or rapes, it can sti…
/r/MensRights06/12/25 02:11 AM
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Yes, but also if you put a person in a room where there are lions, the ones who kill the person are the lions. And if a father deliberately lets rapists into his home to rape his own daughter, the father is not a rapist, because he is not the one raping.
/r/MensRights06/12/25 01:53 AM
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It seems surreal to me that even something as trivial as a man calling a woman dumb in Thailand has been a more controversial topic than this
/r/MensRights18/11/25 12:23 AM
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Me parece surreal que incluso algo tan trivial como que un hombre llamara tonta a una mujer en Tailandia haya sido un tema más polémico que esto
/r/MensRights18/11/25 12:18 AM
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I saw a video on TikTok of a woman saying she had sex with a man. She was complaining because she gave him oral sex, but then he didn’t want to go down on her. All the comments were insulting the man, saying he wasn’t man enough.
/r/MensRights12/11/25 04:28 PM
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So true. A lesbian can say an actress is super hot or has an amazing ass, and no one bats an eye. But if a guy says the exact same thing right after, he’s instantly called a creep, a virgin, gross, or told he’s objectifying women.
/r/MensRights07/07/25 06:29 PM
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If you continue to tolerate their behavior, they'll continue to do so. You have to react the same way they would if they heard a truly misogynistic comment.
/r/MensRights10/06/25 02:04 AM
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Jokes often hide the truth. A healthy person doesn’t make that kind of joke, I’m sure of it.
/r/MensRights10/06/25 01:50 AM
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El discurso de que "solo a las mujeres les importan las víctimas masculinas" puede parecer, a primera vista, una crítica a los hombres por no apoyar a otros hombres. Sin embargo, en muchos contextos, termina siendo una forma de instrumentalizar el sufrimiento masculino para reforzar una narrativa de superioridad moral o para atacar a los hombres como grupo, lo cual no ayuda en absoluto a las víctimas reales. Muchas de esas mujeres ansían exhibir un trofeo moral con la inscripción “solo a las muj…
/r/MensRights11/05/25 03:59 AM
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