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Last time I took the test, 6 years ago, I was INTJ. I'm not a perma-incel, but I am chronically single, and have deep difficulties maintaining the casual networking-style friendships that seem to be necessary to be invited to the parties where people meet their significant others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 03:05 AM
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Theoretically, the marriage might be more about emotional/economic exclusivity than sexual. Everyone can bang who they want, but no "dates" no vacations, no Netflix and chill, no buying gifts, no anniversary dinners, no confiding.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 08:33 PM
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Not RP or BP, but most "open" relationships involve one partner who's okay with it, and the other who's not okay with it and is slowly dying inside, but is too insecure to maintain boundaries. It's really just cheating, and the subservient partner accepts the redefinition to "open" to avoid cognitive dissonance. I find it reprehensible when women do it to men and when men do it to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 08:25 PM
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AI rights is an interesting concept, but AI will fairly convincingly pretend to be sentient long before they deserve rights as senient beings. More likely would be laws similar to the treatment of animals. Another reason for laws surrounding the treatment of even non-sentient robots is that even if the machines don't have feelings, humans have feelings FOR the machines. Graphically dismembering even a C-3PO-style would be emotionally jarring for a human to witness, and maybe there should be some…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 08:59 PM
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Its not effective, because the kids will be sad loser jerks too. You over-estimate the cleverness of DNA and the accuracy of it's evaluations. People's instincts are like a computer program running blindly on very outdated assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/18 06:07 PM
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I think there are a lot of women who are actually really really bad both at socializing and at romance, despite having lots of experience at it, because they've been able to use "Tits" as a crutch since they were 15.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 08:08 PM
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I was witness to this as well. Complete jackass guy dictated the openness so he could sleep around, she never did. Terminal case of "Sophie's choice for morons" since my handsome fit goodguy friend was her bestie and painfully in love with her and was so incredibly friendzoned it was a wonder to see. It was not a happy relationship, she was just retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 08:02 PM
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What is a "party?" Is there a mailing list out there I could subscribe to?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 02:39 AM
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He's taking issue with your reading of the events; the prevailing conclusion he'd hold forth is that the "rape" was either totally fabricated or a confabulation of an actual sexual event; weeks later, when she got it into her head that he was distancing himself from her, she went into revenge mode and either made it up or re-cast a slightly awkward anal experience as full-on assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:39 AM
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...and? That hardly matters when you're trying to talk to them. The dude exists to keep you away. Last girl I tried talking to at an EDM concert, her ex-boyfriend had just gone to jail. She added me on Facebook, the next day her status changes to In A Relationship with the jailed boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 06:33 AM
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I agree with you about men's obligations in the dating game. Another thing I notice is that when it comes to writing about dating stuff; there's an inherrent bias towards a certain perspective, because NORMAL WOMEN DO NOT WRITE THOUGHT-PIECES ABOUT DATING. There are a lot of stupid, or indecisive, or traditional, or otherwise not strong/educated/independent women out there, who actually DO need to be persuaded or maneuvered into having sex. If a guy tries dating THEM and doesn't make up an excus…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 02:44 AM
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At every EDM concert I see, all the women appear to very obviously there with a dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 02:23 AM
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Inverting the genders on this would make her (now him) an over-dramatic chump and codependent sad sack and him (now her) a inconsiderate bipolar nutcase that can't make up her mind and strings dudes along for fun, dumping them and getting back with them when convenient (when other couples would take a break/chill for a bit or talk through their problems). It sounds like he (literally he, the original) was exploiting the sense of security he had that she would always come back to him. Maybe he wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/17 04:26 PM
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I agree. This is an argument about social attitudes, and I suppose how those apply in less legalistic courts like public opinion or school or the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 08:04 PM
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I mean, he was kinda a creeper on a lot of them. And the same exact behavior got a lot of other women immediately wet, because fame/money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 08:01 PM
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Because there's a counter-meme of "listen and believe" that would result in Guilty Until Proven Innocent, which is against US law AND incredibly exploitable by bad women (who DO exist). You don't see Listen and Believe anywhere else. There's also those famous cases of false accusations that gained a following of "truthers" who never let go. Matress Girl still has people supporting her out of factional principle. Plus, I think that a lot of men have crossed paths with a dangerous unstable woman w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 07:57 PM
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Additional factor: a lot of rape accusations are not "official" they're informal/social or whatever. These are more likely to be false, since the accuser doesn't have to prove anything and doesn't have any risks (unless they're literally doing it all the time to men they haven't even met, so it's incredibly fucking obvious). A woman can still destroy a guy's social life if she cares to without involving the cops.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 07:49 PM
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"Just message her on Facebook and start a conversation" Never, ever listen to the advice of your most attractive male friend. It's like asking Superman advice on how to avoid getting shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 07:44 PM
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Ehhhh, yes and no. I see way more genuine effort to be fair and outreaching from the skeptic side, and nothing from the SJW side. Unless you can point to an SJW who sincerely said "we really need to stop calling people Nazis"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 06:36 AM
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I reiterate: Linda Sarsour. . . . Okay, fine, I'll expand. I'm sure some individual feminists do. The problem is that a lot of feminists are also SJWs, so they hit a programming glitch where they can't say something negative about brown people, because that'd be racist. So the oppression of women around the world becomes ALSO the fault of the Male White Devil. And they do notice that a lot of the people who are really, really anti-islam are also the straight white conservative males that they ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 02:15 PM
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Its just a personality trait I've noticed that's prevalent among certain people who wind up being skeptico-sphericals; no matter what "side" they're on, they have a really hard time just towing any ideological line, even in their interpersonal relationships. If you stick them next to anyone, they'll disagree and point out an exception. They treat bad ideas like a loose tooth in their own mouths. Or one of those cheap plastic halloween masks with the maddening tongue-cutting slit in it. I remembe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/17 01:46 PM
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I see a lot of women go into dating determined to not have fun. I imagine them frowning, stone-faced, with their arms folded in front of them, while on a roller-coaster. Or I imagine a person going to a restaurant, but refusing to remove their nose plug and demands all their food be served room temperature. Then they complain that the meal was bland, go outside and buy greasy shit from a shady food truck with no weird stipulations, get food poisoning, and curse all restaurants as being filthy an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 05:56 PM
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Male feminists are creepy. The prominent ones keep turning out to be actual literal creeps. But they're by definition public figures, so they're a really small sample size that's heavily skewed. Like how so many CEOs and politicians are psychopaths. Or how so many Social Justice Activists are Borderlines and HPDs. Even the ones that aren't creepy are not actually that nice to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 05:13 PM
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I think there's something to the idea of adding in "leave your comfort zone sometimes and try to play along and have fun" to that list.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 05:10 PM
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No. He's less awful than other sources, but still not great. If you go back to his early stuff, it was actually useful and respectable. But since then, he found there was more clicks and popularity to be found pandering to feminist women who would share his stuff rather than actually helping men. Its not quite ground zero for the "white male cis nerds are the WORST" meme, but its a good example of self-flagellation and capitulation to the whip-wielding overlords. The comments on the site are rid…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 05:04 PM
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Well, be prepared to have that argument a lot. I think that it plays into the "bad" feminists by keeping feminism a universal good and giving them a cover from criticism, but that's a subjective opinion I don't stand on very stubbornly. I mean, I'm stubbornly keeping Kekistan an anti-identitarian meme, not a crypto-racist meme. So pot kettle black, up to a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 04:54 PM
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Actually, you're right. The article itself is still pretty cringey, but she's kinda right, but not for the reasons she thinks. Boys are harder to raise than girls. There's just so many more ways it can go wrong. With girls, it seems you mainly have to keep them from becoming a hedonistic drug addict, and cross your fingers she doesn't have some kind of vague ill-defined mood disorder. All the female fuckups I know are alcoholic party-girls with anxiety or bi-polar that use drugs and alcohol to "…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 03:34 PM
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When a woman offers me her phone number before I ask for it, its a red flag that she's getting rid of me and I'll never hear from her again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 03:25 PM
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Uh, the correct citation is still pretty bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 03:22 PM
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I'm not gonna rage. But I will explain that I think you're basing your opinion of anti-feminists on an incomplete perspective. For one thing, a lot of the prominent anti-feminists are only incidentally anti-feminist. They're actually secularists or atheists or anti-identitarians or "classical liberals" or just people with a personality type that can't let go of something they see as wrong. They're anti-SJWs. Most of them actually get pretty animated and offended when they see women actually suff…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 03:20 PM
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Well, that's not an incredibly biased perspective at all, post-divorce. I wouldn't necessarily trust either of them in talking about their relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 02:45 PM
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Its definitely partially a sexual strategy. One problem is that if you're a public figure on a particular cause, then you're kinda stuck continuing to do that forever; escaping is difficult, and your brain will work overtime to keep you there. Thus we see prominent male feminists continuing long after they otherwise would have stopped. On, say, OKcupid, I see lots of women mention how any dude they'd even consider talking to MUST be on board with their Social Justice and Feminist Beliefs (their …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 02:42 PM
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Alone? Don't women watch for that and write off anyone who's not perfect as a creepy friendless loser who's only there to harass women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 11:20 PM
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Women have more choice in mate selection. I "blame" young men in an abusive relationship way less than I would "blame" young women. If a man breaks up with his toxic girlfriend, he could well good through years of involuntary celibacy. Whereas any woman with an abusive boyfriend has three perfectly fine spare-tire boyfriend's waiting to rescue her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 12:09 AM
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An incidence of "emotional abuse" does not an abusive relationship make. Any ugly argument in a relationship probably qualifies as emotional abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 12:05 AM
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I have to admit that I know too many women who have repeatedly gotten into, and stayed in, abusive relationships where nothing was materially keeping them there (no kids, no marriage, no huge payout) to have a HUGE amount of sympathy for people who say "women are oppressed because they're abused more" as a general principle or as evidence that men are all abusers. Or people who justify women's shitty behavior in dating with "anything to avoid being attacked by a man." I think it's a loud minorit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 12:02 AM
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It's ironic, because I usually see women surrounded by a bodyguard of men. I look around my neighborhood and it feels like Saudi fucking Arabia. No woman goes outside unless she has her male escort. I see a car roll up to pick a woman up after work, and it's got three dudes in it. The only time I see more than one woman at a time is when it's a batchelorette party or some other special event. I've never seen a Social Circle that wasn't at least 80% male.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 04:35 AM
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I think that a theoretical near-sci-fi procedure that pretty much allows a vasectomy/tube-tie that's reversible would be very good for society; make kids an opt-in instead of an opt-out. The problem with it is the usual ideocracy problem where only educated people would actually have it done, and all the poor, the stupid, or the religious wouldn't, and would thus outnumber educated people even moreso. It would have to be so easy as to be near automatic at BIRTH in a hospital. AND there is NO bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 06:52 PM
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I'm pretty sure I've never received signals, then. My experience has always been that anything that appears to be an indicator of interest is ALWAYS just friendliness, and you get called an entitled shitlord for thinking otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 03:58 PM
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Its not particularly anti-male, it does come off as a bit feminist. I think the bigger issue isn't the book itself, its the way some people latch on to it as being super-relevant and meaningful, when it comes off as oppression/persecution porn. Like how in so much christian lit, there's an anomalous number of evil atheists who just HATE Christians and want to hunt them down and torture them for the glory of Great and Terrible Atheismo. Or how in Hunger Games all the coastal elites are spoiled so…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 06:33 PM
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One of the main things holding men back from being confident and successful with women is lack of success and their generally deprived nature. A lot of them would become massively more datable if someone would just fucking date them. If I thought that if I just encouraged a mopey fat girl with a pretty face to stop eating ice cream and run a bit, she'd be a happy slightly-thick girl with a pretty face within a month, then hell yes I'd have sex with her. Its a lot easier and faster for a dude to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:52 AM
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Very few dudes actually say that, and when they do, its not in the way its usually interpreted/strawmanned. I think that everyone "deserves" sex in the same way that everyone "deserves" a job. It doesn't mean that they should be given a job. It means that if they can't for the life of them get one, there might be a problem. If a normal, average-quality human being is utterly incapable of finding work in an economy (and ESPECIALLY if other very obviously less-capable people seem to be able to hol…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 12:40 AM
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Anything in Twilight. Beauty and the Beast. I actually think that the disney movie version is the best version possible, but it still comes off as creepy because of the stockholm element. it'd be fine if it was put into some other context with less coercion. Joker and Harley. It really fucking bothers me how that gets idolized when its MEANT to be incredibly awful. A lot of anime "magical/robot girlfriend" plots come off as sad and creepy. Its odd, but the most compelling romance that first spri…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:56 PM
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Here's a point that's less up the ass of redpill: A LOT of what makes women attracted to a man and happy with him is inside her own head. Women have intense emotions and hormonal changes that affect their emotions. ANYONE's experience can be affected by their attitude, but its especially true for women. Someone who goes to an amusement park determined to not have any fun will, shockingly, have less fun. (picture someone on a rollercoaster, arms-folded, with a stone-faced frown). There's an argum…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 11:47 PM
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I'm a working class us citizen, and it's retarded to blame the failure of rural America to bounce back from the recession on the sitting president. He could have done BETTER, but this new guy is...kinda obviously an idiot that has no idea how to bring back the jerbs (coal mines? Please) but skated in to power exactly because of 8 years of "thanks, Obama" ad-nauseum propaganda. He hasn't actually done anything yet, but so far this appears to be a very, very ineffectual administration that isn't e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 02:11 AM
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Depends on what kind of left you mean, and what kind of feminine. Women are totally capable of being conservative. Historically, fascist authoritarian movements had lots of female adherents. Don't fall into the trap of seeing men as the sole perpetrators of the wrongs of the right, or of conservative, traditional, or retrograde values. You know who's holding down the little girls getting clitorectimies in the middle East (and increasingly, Europe)? Older women. Women are joining creepy quiverful…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 02:05 AM
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Or it's fake, compulsive, people-pleasing niceness. Like, a total unwillingness to ever be seen being negative. Because then no one can trust anything you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 10:58 PM
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Maaaaybe it's to do with the agressive helplessness thing? Being an extreme doormat hurts women AND the people around them. If someone is so "nice" that they donate all their money to charity, now there's another broke homeless person on the street, and the donated money probably didn't go anywhere particularly helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 10:08 PM
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No, these aren't toxic femininity. Toxic femininity would be classical female backstabbing passive-aggressive friendships where women spread rumors, or try to have sex with their friend's past or current boyfriends just to prove superiority Slut-shaming. Like, baseless slut-shaming. I think that women and society should be "allowed" to tell a woman who's actually engaging in self-destructive behavior that what she's doing is dumb. Casual sex with random dudes is really easy for a woman to get, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 09:59 PM
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I agree, but would like to add that nerds also have their views of women warped by "Nerd Queens." Obviously plenty of nerdy women are just likewise awkward or have niche interests, but nerds represent a rich, easily-tapped source of victims for certain personality types. Ever seen a Borderline or an HPD get embedded in a nerd community? Its like a dingo in a neonate ward where all the nurses are dog-lovers. Dramatics aside, imagine if every woman you consider a social peer is actually more like …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:33 AM
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Huawei's UI is ALSO jank. Moto G5 plus 32 gig is $230 full list price. And you also don't appreciate the different American network types, very few devices work on every network.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 09:09 PM
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Unfortunately, not everyone goes to /r/Android. Plus the nonsense xaomi ROMs and UI and so on. And their industrial design is derivative. you need to understand that in the USA, the Moto G is good because any idiot can manage to drunkenly stagger in to a Best Buy, fork over $250, and get a fully-functional smartphone with no glaring shortcomings that'll work on every American network. And most people will wind up with $800 flagship devices that get used for texting and Pinterest, because they ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 06:29 PM
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There's nothing wrong with being Hank hill. Hank hill is a great character. I think he's a great representation of how to write an intelligent character without relying on big words and snarky retorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 06:20 PM
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I'm in America, xaomi devices don't have the bands for American networks, and custom ROMs are too much to ask of most people to mess with. I had good luck with HTC in the past, I think they deserve to be doing better than they are. Motorola's G series is great value for the average person, and the Z play is genuinely a masterpiece. Pixel is disappointing value, but you really need to USE one to understand. It is SO fast and smooth, and the camera is beyond good, and it's priced where it's priced…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 12:53 PM
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I find this really baffling. My ID stays in my wallet because that's convenient. Plus bars
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 04:14 AM
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Women have iPhones most of the time. Guys have iPhones slightly less often. Not liking iPhones is usually a "I hate popular things because I'm a smart rebel" move for young guys. But it always has to be a goddamn iPhone, because fucking iPhones. I SELL phones, and I find phones as financial status symbols to be absurd; the difference between a low-end PoS and an iPhone 7 Plus is $25/month. Fucking anyone can afford that. "Oh my, nice flagship smartphone. Way to show off your not-garbage credit s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 04:07 AM
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...Have you PLAYED video games lately? Serious question. Most games have daily sign-in bonuses and leveling systems and perks and quests and, yes, grinds. CoD, Overwatch both have systems built in that encourage you to hop on once a day and keep you there. Even single-player games have all that open-world collectible questing shit that's still fundamentally addictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 03:43 AM
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...uh, i like high, wide cheekbones. That's all i was trying to convey. She's an example of an actress with a face i like. And I'm not fucking picky about boob size, another thing I'm trying to convey. Once more, my point is that while i don't expect shit to be easy, i don't think I deserve an auto-brush-off before I even open my goddamn mouth, especially when I'm not just throwing myself at the hugest tits in the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 12:36 AM
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It was her female friend, not a dude. I almost never come into conflict with guys. I was expressing type, not tier, as i already said. Unfortunately, i can't name any average-looking celebrities, and since I'm not going to link random facebook pics of the women i think i deserve (sarcasm), that was supposed to serve as shorthand. Celebrities are always going to be super-hot, that's why they're celebrities. But they're a common reference point. When someone says a woman looks ScoJo-y, they don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 12:15 AM
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The irony is that a woman is WAY more likely to be assaulted by her boyfriend than a random dude, just like child abduction. This is gonna sound niceguyish of me, but I know way too many women (young, attractive women with options and no kids), who have been with and stayed with physically abusive men. In one particular example, a co-worker I was friends with wound up using me as an instrument to make her (abusive) boyfriend jealous. I had gone into life-coach mode and encouraging her to ditch h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:20 PM
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I'm a guy who's a bit overweight. Like, 230 on a large frame overweight. In Wisconsin. Face-wise, I've been told I look like that black-haired guy from Girls, except my hair is thinning, so I cut it very short. I dress in new, well-fitting clothing, mostly jeans and black button down cotton shirts (sleeves rolled up) with dark green or grey jackets, field or leather. I'm intelligent, I'm funny, I have a big personality. I'm passionate about animals, the outdoors, classic films, and technology. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:21 PM
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I'm not redpill, but the problem with that is that women's standards of "ugly but nice" are frankly, what an average man looks like. I have a pretty broad view of what makes a woman pretty. I'm willing to look for great features and find something to like about a woman. Really, the only thing I just can't stand is really profound obesity, a bad chin/neck situation or a sagging gut. I'd be interested to see a real-life honest comparison of the people men and women both have crushes on, or who the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:38 AM
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Women only say that in Facebook posts, which they type while their phone buzzes and beeps with texts from dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 12:18 AM
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Thanks for the genuine story. It's really easy as a guy to feel like you're being treated as an annoyance who's occupying space that could have been occupied by a hotter dude. Or feel like you're thought of first as a potential rapist. I've lost count of how many times women have given me fake names. Not fake numbers, fake names. It's...Not fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 12:17 AM
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Racism isn't necessarily saying incessantly bad things about X race. Yes, there's a lot of stupid definitions of racism and they get abused a lot by idiots, so I know where your anger is coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 12:59 AM
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Most guys have no idea what it's like to be hit on, because it doesn't happen. When being utterly ignored is standard, anything apart from that feels like flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 07:45 AM
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Yeah, me, I'd suspect that there were no friends at 11, she was just setting up unavailability. I've also seen "we should hang out" result in being ghosted SO many times I've just lost all faith in people's words.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 07:42 AM
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I can kinda see this, if only in the sense that women who aren't feminist or super-typical don't have an adversarial/entitled victim complex regarding men. So they won't have a fit/freakout when a man dares to approach her and interrupt her busy day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 07:37 AM
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Enthusiasm is preferred, because it's unusual. We can't tell the difference between affected Aloofness and genuine apathy. The ways it can backfire are: You, the woman, winds up invested and infatuated with a man who just isn't as in to you as you are in to him. You made it too easy for him, so he figured he'd take a free lunch. Especially since the only men attractive enough for women to throw themselves at will therefore be playas who do exactly that all the time. While enthusiastic, you suck …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 07:29 AM
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See, the problem is that women also think that compliments ARE an expression of interest on their part, and get pissed off when men don't take the hint. You can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 07:15 AM
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People of whatever gender invent bullshit reasons to justify their shitty behavior. What I've noticed is that women's feelings tend to be very...convenient. And they're really really good at re-writing history to justify their current emotional state. Kinda like how women have an uncanny ability to fall in love with rich men and fall out of love with men that stop being rich. They're not lying, they really do feel the feelings they say they feel. They'll hate someone for no legit reason apart fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/17 07:11 AM
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I think there'd be a case for calling a self-described feminist a hypocrite if she's been repeatedly dating uber-masculine men (and keeps getting hurt by them and complaining about it) while ALSO talking loudly about how men shouldn't be exactly that. Or, say, one of those women saying men shouldn't approach her in public places, then she starts dating a guy who did exactly that, and still keeps on with the "no hitting on women its basically rape" thing. I don't think Emma Watson's rugby player …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 12:32 AM
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you shouldn't be so down on yourself or feel like dudes are desperate if they're hitting on you. I dispute "plain, odd-looking face." You'd be surprised at what can be considered "cute", and if the rosacea is smooth enough, it might just look like flushed freckles. I personally don't mind if a girl is lacking boobs or ass if she at least has some kind of waist/hips ratio going on. Skinnyfat is just "soft". Point is, based on your description of yourself, I could still imagine someone I'd want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 03:04 AM
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Well, there's more of them, so they are being approached more, har har. Nonetheless, anecdotally, there are lots of lonely women out there who feel like they're never approached. The typical retorts to this are similar as those thrown at lonely dudes: they're being approached by average men instead of the above-mentioned ones they think they deserve, they're actually not average they're gross and fat, they're shut-ins who never go outside, they're actually approached quite a bit but it doesn't r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/17 02:51 AM
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Bunch of things are wrong with her. She draws a ton of vitriol from internet trolls and angry internet commenters because she was attacking their tribe. She's easily seen as the raw personification of feminism calling everything you like badwrong and sexist. She doesn't deserve the insane hate and death-threats, pretty much no one does. BUT...she's so, so obviously a opportunist. Her feminism degree isn't particularly lucrative, but she did a kickstarter that had all the right keywords so SJW co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/17 12:01 AM
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So you're both the bane of my existence? I can tell you stories about Nerd Queens. You think she had a fanclub? I've seen some fanclubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 04:44 AM
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Ah, that's probably me falling victim to the 66% thing; most of the compulsively flirty girls I know are at least cute or "nerd hot," and are really good at wrangling their friendzone stable. That stuff plays less well when the guys aren't single or don't find her attractive, or just aren't painfully chronically single.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:20 AM
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No, I am 28. I'm normally asking out women aged 25 to 30. My most recent rounds of "I'm really busy all the time" came from a 24 year old. Just today a 27 year old woman first didn't get paid until tomorrow (offered to cover a drink or two), then didn't have gas in her car (offered a ride), then finally just said she was feeling "blah" as a way to get out of Tuesday night plans with me to fucking CATCH UP over a $4 martini. You say that as if going on a date with a guy is a tedious chore you'd r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/17 01:16 AM
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No, it's specific invitations (Tuesday night, dinner and music). "We should hang out sometime in the future" is the response I get from women that means "Ill never voluntarily interact with you, ever." I very, very rarely get told no. I get told "maybe", or "yes" and then get flaked on or ghosted, with sometimes quite improbable excuses they are very very quick to bring forth. The closest I get to no is "I'm really busy right now, with work/school/whatever". Then the night that they flake, they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 10:41 PM
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Also, I'm going to take a guess that every time she does play flirty games with her friends, most of them experience a moment of deep despair when they remind themselves that she's not really in to them, their proper place is to dispense attention and not get ideas above their station.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 08:55 PM
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My experience is that no matter how much a woman seems to like you, no matter what other people say about how in to you she is and how you should just go for it, she'll react to being asked out by suddenly becoming incredibly busy, incredibly sick, or having a phone with incredibly bad reception/battery. I ask people out to coffee or a live music thing and they act like I asked them to an abandoned warehouse to watch a slideshow about people changing: say "maybe" and then desperately avoid me in…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 08:52 PM
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Well, as a dude, it gets incredibly disheartening. eventually you reach a point where nothing can possibly mean anything. By now, if a woman wrapped her arms around me, kissed me, and said my ass looked great, I'd assume she was just being friendly and she'd be offended and run off if I asked her for her phone number.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 07:41 PM
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The more I think about this...Yes, I'm actually dead certain this is a "problem" that average women have: no one has ever taught them how to approach men in a low-risk way. It's a skill that really hot women never need, and historically wasn't needed by most women because apparently men used to be more bold (back before the threat of shaming or ghosting was so prevalent). I think women call this "dropping hints" but usually it, well... It also gets kinda ruined by flirt-addicts that go around be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 03:32 PM
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No. This is something its way too easy to move the goalposts on, and it depends on where you live, but its been shown fairly convincingly that women rate a random sample of men overwhelmingly "below average" and men rate a random sample of women as "above average" (both results are skewed, because a sufficiently random sample should result in a 50/50 split) Men DO NOT MEAN Jennifer lawrence when they think "average." Jennifer lawrence is a cherub-faced girl with pretty eyes and a big frame. She'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 02:31 AM
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Either she's fat or used to be fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 07:23 PM
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When you say sub-par, do you mean small and unexciting, or actually unpleasant? Face and tits. 28, Midwest US, middle class, purple. An ass can not exist as far as I'm concerned, and I don't even really care about breasts so long as they're not floppy or empty-looking. I'm okay with breasts that are pretty much just nipples. I actually care about hips, shoulders and legs a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/17 07:18 PM
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Over-use of social media; facebook, Instagram, Twitter, AND snapchat all at once is not healthy Sharing clickbait articles on social media, or anything from Elite Daily. "All my friends are guys" is a huge red flag Over-use of motivational sayings/shares. Unironically genuinely liking terrible stuff like 50 shades or twilight. Extreme anxiety or cowardice. Solving problems by hiding until they go away. I have a hard enough time talking to women as it is, them freezing up or running away when a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/17 09:14 PM
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I agree with you on pretty much every count, but I disagree about getting a GF in your league being "easy." My experience with people in my "league" has been an absurd level of uncertainty and anxiety on their part, or I get treated like I'm generic and disposable. A dude in their league is "settling" for them. I get more respect and human decency from women way out of my league, even if they're not attracted to me. The slightly-thick-to-chubby cute/pretty girls are complete validation-junkies c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 04:42 AM
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I believe there are. Also, "official" numbers often lie. Places where it sucks to be female can have way lower incidence of rape, for example, but that's because there, rape doesn't count if it's her husband, or her hair was briefly uncovered, or what-have you. Or the authorities just don't give enough of a shit to keep track. It's a perspective thing. Xenophobic "everywhere foreign is a scary crime-ridden rapefest" is dumb and annoying, but so is the self-hating "omg, only 20% of silicon valley…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 04:29 AM
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That's because it is often worse in X place than in America or Western Europe. I'm sure there are places where domestic violence and dismissive male attitudes are BETTER than America; like Scandinavia and Japan. I get what you're getting at, but I think we're being very specific here; parts of Eastern Europe and the cultures there have a particularly bad track record re: treatment of women. Not everywhere foreign.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 02:25 AM
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Ehhhhhhhhhh...There's an argument to be had here. Sex trafficking and grooming is really, really prevalent in Slavic countries and among Slavic immigrants. It kinda looks like the (poverty level) culture is tuned to turn yoing women into dependent "hoes" for their pimp boyfriend. The grooming thing is a problem among Pakistani community is Britain. Arranged marriage in general winds up looking like buying and selling female cattle. A lot of this is just what poverty looks like. Poverty is ugly. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/17 02:21 AM
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See...This sounds like something that's just going to screw over people who practice it. That girl won't learn her lesson; she'll just be confused and get fucked later by a guy who DIDNT take "sex ed" seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/17 12:45 AM
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At any time, you could be walking down the street, and out of nowhere, someone walking past could knife you in the guts, and keep walking. No one, including you, will figure out what happened til that person is long gone. In the middle of any argument, the other person could punch themselves in the face, then fall to the ground screaming assault. Passers-by WILL immediately dogpile you and throw you out/call the police and comfort the faker. A girl could pepper-spray you in the face if you cut i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/17 04:43 AM
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This articulates pretty well the issues that I have. The goalposts keep on being moved whenever it's inconvenient for someone to admit there's a goddamn problem with how women relate to men when courting. What really, really gets me down is seeing absolute human garbage somehow be more romantically successful than me. The in-and-out-of-jail violent fuckup with three ex-wives, all of whom he's beaten, and then be told that I'm ENTITLED nice guy scum for questioning this. It's not that I deserve t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/17 04:30 AM
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Exactly what league is that, then? Like, for real. I have no idea. Women consistently rate average men as "below average." Every girl I've dated, I've been told by female friends that I could do better. I've been agressively hit on by women I was surprised aknowledged my existence, I've been rebuffed or cynically played with by women I thought were my rough equal, and women I frankly considered below me have treated me with the disdain of royalty. There's really no way for a guy to gauge what hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 01:47 AM
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Never seen the big deal with virgins. I already have a hard time convincing women I'm not a rape-monster and just want to talk to them. Can't imagine dealing with a girl that hasn't seen a penis before.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/17 12:22 AM
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Not quite busted, but it's been massively reduced. There's still a wage gap if you play with statistics and chart jobs in the same FIELD, which gets you counting nurses and doctors as the same job. So now it's about why there aren't enough women CEOs or women in tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/17 11:42 PM
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They more often do it in private in the context of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/17 11:39 PM
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Ehhhh...Yes, you're right. I think the connection is that women are complaining that there's no good men left, which can actually mean "there's not enough men doing better financially than me whom are attractive and want to date me." Lots of women do go into dating assuming they're going to be dating "up" socio-economically. And that's not a reasonable demand when you also want equal opportunity in the job market. This and other issues that redpill complains about results in misery all around, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/17 11:36 PM
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You're a huge weirdo, then if that'd make you feel guilty. I'm sure that to most women, it just happens accidentally. A small handful of psychos actively seek it out, but no one feels guilty for it. My Ex did it to me post-breakup. She kept saying she still wanted to be friends, but she just wound up with a 2nd ride-providing boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/17 12:30 AM
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I had to re-ruminate to remind myself how awful she is. It's in my head because she literally just tried again this week. There is no girl on my arm. It's entirely possible that my ex is in a desperate enough place that I'll be able to actually get her to turn up for a thing. And then break her. I'm tempted to say "I'm not talking to you again unless it's in person. You want to catch up, name a time and place within [parameters]."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 09:35 PM
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Thanks, but better prospects have failed to appear. Last week, she messaged me yet again. I ignored it. Apparently she does that all the time. I've met one other guy (way, WAY less attractive than me) who got the same flirty FB messages and cleavage pics. From what I can put together from running into female ex-friends of hers, she just can't stop herself from trying to collect dudes; she's a hoarder. She's like a social hacker; if you find lonely intelligent men and present yourself as a potent…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 04:59 PM
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Actually, I think that lots of women ARENT able to get the relationship they WANT. TRP is wrong about that; women can have a hard time getting "real" relationships. Because they aim too high and are terrified of being alone. They have a 'boyfriend' but he's aloof and distant and they only interact in person twice or three times a week at most. But she'll still say "Ihaveaboyfriend" to any guy that smiles at her and opens his mouth to talk. What's happening is that if you get three women together…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 04:41 PM
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Women still have to actually agree to turn up for a date, though. They could just not. Unless we're talking casual hookups, there's usually some sort of relationship before sex happens, even if it's not officially exclusive. .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 04:23 PM
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Women are usually only relationship gatekeepers at a really, really early stage, and they're really not suited to it, and sex is usually in play. It's more "I'm not available tonight, some other guy invited me to a thing. Maybe the next night." It'd be like a man gatekeeping sex; theoretically possible, but it's just not going to happen a lot. And when it does, it'll probably be in the context of a relationship (withholding attention when she's demanding clingy affirmation sex). And only really …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 04:15 PM
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Elite daily is obnoxious trash. I had to unfollow people who shared content from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 06:43 PM
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Depends. Does bailing out 30 mins before the zero hour count as being stood up?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 12:21 AM
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I don't know if it's increasing in "real life.". But I've experienced a near-psychotic level of flaking in the past three years. I'll define a flake here as "she agreed upon a date, but then either made an excuse or just went silent and didn't turn up". They'll do ANYTHING to avoid saying no. Even if I flat-out say "please, say no if you're not interested. I'm okay with that." Apparently that's just a trick to bait them into saying no so I can shout at them? I've also been told that I'm not bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 11:01 PM
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Well, yes. But there's lots of stuff I know I'd have fun doing, but when the time comes, between anxiety, laziness, and the rest, I'd rather just stay in. To be optimistic, I think that happens often to women we'd otherwise consider "normal" (not a top-10% spoiled princess whatever). The night of the date comes, they feel slightly anxious, at that moment they'd have to make an effort to remember why they liked the guy in the first place, it'd be so much safer and less stressful to just flake. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 10:36 PM
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This is my experience as well. They'll also serially flake. They'll keep texting and apologize that X time didn't work and how they totally arent like that...And keep doing it. Until you get the message and stop asking. It feels like dealing with an alarm by hitting snooze again and again until it just shuts off.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 10:29 PM
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I got flakes all the time after dates were set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 09:54 PM
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Low-self-esteem makes them hit up dudes for free drinks? If they had low self-esteem, wouldn't they think that wouldn't work?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 10:50 PM
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Yeah, that shit just seems obvious. I've run in to worse, but usually there's a more obvious motive. Malice rather than incompetence. years ago, a native-american Sombra lookalike and her friends got me to buy them a round of shots (I was dumber back then), but she wound up apparently enamoured by my ability to string long sentences together with complicated words. We wound up making out, but then she had a mini freakout because, she said, she was afraid her boyfriend might also be out that nigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 07:50 PM
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Not a huge metalhead. Know Bhuddism, dont meditate. Don't generally think violent thoughts, regardless of women's presence. I do tend to jut my neck out a bit. Maybe it creates a "looming" effect. "Skulldrinker" is actually a D&D joke; we had a running gag where all half-orc NPCs had a mundane first name (ex: Jeff) and a last name like Throatripper. But DM (me) started running out of easy combos and had to resort to Forkpuncher and Bloodsmasher. Years later, I played a half-orc ranger, only name…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 07:10 PM
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What does state have to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 07:16 AM
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White, (Czech/German), 5'11", green bay wisconsin. I look kinda like this guy, but heavier https://i.ytimg.com/vi/T7NC0cKfR0M/maxresdefault.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 01:00 AM
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Then she didn't think through the presence of her cousin.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/17 12:19 AM
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This is what happened at least that one time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:03 PM
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Nothing I say can convince anyone I'm talking to that I won't fly into a rage and maul them if they say "no" to me. Valentine's day last year; talked to a woman in a sundress with a young-norma-bates look. Danced a bit. Went to the bathroom, walk back to check in with my friends, past her. I nod and smile at her, but see that when she saw me, she HID. Ducked behind a fat guy. I'm so confused, I stop in my tracks, lean back and ask "uhhhh....Did you just hide behind that guy?" She says "no". It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:56 AM
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And yet I'm treated like a rape-monster who's learned how to parrot human speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:39 AM
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Great. Friend intervention is bad enough; I actually once saw a girl I was talking to SHOVE her friend away because she was trying to body-block me (oh, I treasure that memory). Now bystanders are going to decide whether I'm hot enough to talk to women? That will not help with my persecution complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 08:24 AM
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Oh, ONE time (I treasure this memory) I was talking to a woman and her friend shoved in between us and started elbows-dancing, and the woman physically grabbed her friend and moved her aside and kept talking to me. Man, that was satisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:57 AM
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You say you're a barfly and have seen bad approaches, but I've seen shit that'd make your goddamn nosehairs curl. I've had a girl say "I have a boyfriend" at the same time her friend says "she's gay." I've had a girl smile back at me, then her friend wordlessly grabs her hand and drags her away. I've said Hi to a girl and had her friends abruptly get between us and start elbows-dancing like a godsdamned bodyguard detail. I've given a rose to a woman and watched her tear it up in front of me (I l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:53 AM
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I disagree. It's really kinda nigh-impossible to get someone to physically turn up. I once went through a 3-month stretch where I had arranged at least 20 dates with about 15 different women (as in, got a number, proposed a place and time, she said yes. 13 of these were with people I'd actually run into, the rest were from online dating). Do you know how many of those dates happened? Three. Somehow, everyone kept on mysteriously losing their phone, getting sick, having to do homework, or in one …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:51 AM
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If I may make a counter-example: last Saturday, a really lovely mid/late 20s woman of uncertain ethnicity (let's go with middle-east-ish), tall, all collarbones and shoulderblades, in a club, walks up to the bar next to me. She gives me a sideling look, I look back, smile, then politely look away. She buys me a drink and hip-bumps me. My first instinct is to assume I've misread the situation and this is her being just friendly, or it's a trick, but I consider the guts it must take as a woman to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 07:41 AM
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Yes, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 06:59 AM
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I THINK it has, but it's really hard to FEEL like it has.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:56 AM
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I'm being slightly reductive. That HAS literally happened to me between three and six times. More often it happens after some begrudging exchange of words. It feels like trying to play a video game where 90% of the time, someone just turns the console off after a random interval. You don't even get a chance to screw up and die, and possibly learn what you did wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 05:29 AM
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They have high maximum self-esteem, but they have to constantly refill it with attention from men. Snapchat-ing selfies is like quick dipping in to the bathroom to do a line of attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:56 AM
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I think there is something to that. Women seem to have either zero moral code regarding dating men, or an utterly ass-backwards one. They care more about plausible deniability, saving face, and avoiding the possibility of conflict than anyone else's feelings. Standard example: repeatedly flaking or ghosting with apologies instead of just saying "no". They say it's because they don't want to hurt the guy's feelings, but that's nonsense, because someone getting rid of you by infinitely hitting "sn…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:50 AM
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I personally try very hard. I made serious changes to my lifestyle and diet, bought a whole new wardrobe, and I make a real effort to talk to strangers and otherwise be social. I'm told that I put much more effort into my appearance (clean, well-fitting clothes, grooming) than most guys do. Apparently I'm up against pretty weak competition And I just tonight got ghosted on for a date. Would have been the first actual date I managed in 6 months, but it turned out to not happen. I think a lot of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/17 03:34 AM
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Also since you're a self-described hot nerd girl, they're tired of either your shit or the shit of some other girl that cycled through the local community. It's like black people (or just people) and cops. Sometimes, the cop is racist. Sometimes he's just a jerk. Other times, the cop has the wrong man or is just doing his job. And sometimes, YOURE the jerk. But you'll never think of that, because you stopped at "racist."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 03:48 AM
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Yes. Maybe they're just bitter and jealous. Or maybe, given the way you behave, that's how everyone would treat you if you weren't young and pretty. If cats looked like lizards, we'd see what bastards they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/17 03:44 AM
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I usually outright ignore "stacies." But, I'd hypothesize that while there's only one "chad," there are various different stacies, and I'm just going after a different stacy than the usual one. Can stacy be curvy and have purple hair and be "bi-polar?" (and yes there's more than one chad; there's Ryan Reynolds chad and Brad Pitt chad ;p ) But I actually take a perverse pleasure in being unpleasant to super-attractive women when I have an excuse. "I know you're never going to have sex with me, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/17 09:50 PM
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I take issue with female attraction being binary. If confidence is so attractive, then a guy displaying MORE confidence than previously should force a woman to re-evaluate. And mindset has a lot to do with it as well; if you go to an amusement park having already decided it's not fun....You're less likely to have fun. Everyone does this. Women are just worse about gritting their teeth and going anyways and trying to have fun. Women supposedly want to be swept off their feet, but then shut their …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 06:43 PM
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When you're being friendly to a person, aren't you manipulating them into being your friend? When you volunteer at a charity, aren't you manipulating people into thinking you're charitable? When you put in extra effort at your job, aren't you manipulating your boss into promoting you? All relationships are transactional to some degree. Sometimes this kind of shit feels like goalpost-moving for women to justify why it's okay for them to accept gifts and affection from men without returning anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 12:35 AM
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I don't think very many men really think that. They sometimes say things that SOUND like that, but I think if you dig a little deeper you see more complexity. My issue isn't the not getting sex, it's not being given a CHANCE. female attraction can be incredibly contextual. If a guy has a good friendship chemistry with a woman and a history of being a good friend to her, and he asks her out, she should TRY a date, she might be surprised. It can be really hard to be properly attractive and flirtat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/17 12:27 AM
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Depends on the situation. Very often it's all in the guys heads. One thing that results in "leading on" is just different friendship norms among women and men. Women are more emotionally open with friends, and that intimacy can be exciting to a guy. If a man is accustomed to zero female attention, a woman just voluntarily being around him feels like an IOI. Then there are women who seem to think that all men they aren't interested in are eunuchs/gay, and get offended when they express sexual des…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 11:55 PM
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I think this is a likely scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 09:46 PM
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I really can't imagine shaming a woman just for being a "slut". And I'm equally skeeved by dudes that engage in similar behavior. What's actually bad is cheating, or abruptly ditching people when they're emotionally vulnerable, or letting people get emotionally invested in you when you don't give a shit about them. Acting like you're entitled to other people's attention and bodies yet you couldn't possibly owe them anything. I guess that sluts who churn quickly through dudes (or gals) and leave …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 05:09 AM
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Obviously yes. but since I'm not going to fucking post pics of me and pics of women who've turned me down and ask if I'm aiming too high, so I don't know what more I can do to provide evidence that I have modest/realistic standards. Also, with hair dye, hair color is now less an accident of genetics and more a personal choice. I'm trying to convey that I straight-up ignore the top 10% of conventionally-attractive women; the sort that other women and super-attractive men rate as attractive I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 01:55 AM
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I'm a broadly-built guy of 5'11" and 220 lbs with a handsome face. (People have said I look slightly like christopher abbot) but I know that I'm not the fittest, lightest guy. I consistently ask out women who are thick, curvy, or have a bit of pudge. I'm consistently given the flakey nonsense runaround by them. I actively AVOID skinny blondes. I pretty much pretend they don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 01:35 AM
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I usually see men warning other men that X girl is a "serial friendzoner" or a tease or attention whore, or words to that effect, to warn them that they're wasting their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 01:24 AM
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I've met like ONE dude in the past two years who I remember shit-talking a girl at work who fucked him once but wanted nothing to do with him after that. The word "slut" was used. In my peer group, it never comes up. Its not a thing we say to women or even amongst ourselves. The closest we get is slightly stigmatizing the hot hypersocial "nerd" girls with a suspiciously large number of male friends, and that's honestly just us trying to remind ourselves not to walk down a road that leads nowhere…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 01:21 AM
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Seconding this. I rarely see basic human decency = deserves sex actually said by dudes, its usually presented as a strawman. Often the goalposts get moved so that "basic human decency" winds up being outright sainthood. And actually my beef is that human decency doesn't even get you a fair shake. If I make an effort to be a good friend to someone, I'd expect them to be at least a passable friend to me back. Especially if they themselves are constantly saying what a great friend I am and how much…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 01:01 AM
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Those examples are excessive, but I've heard super-attractive guys talk about the weird ways that girls they've hooked up with in the past keep trying to politeness-judo entrap them, or sabotage their efforts with other women. My observation is that the dudes are being very open and honest about what they're doing; they're being friendly and are down for hooking up, and all the relationship shit is in the girls' heads. Its up to the girls to set boundaries and expectations; you can judge the dud…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 12:45 AM
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People are capable of changing their behaviors, though. Yes, the tone of discussion can often come off as entitled/BE entitled, but how about a slightly more charitable read: If there was a situation wherein there was a significant number of people who were chronically unemployed, who in their own lives see endless examples of plainly-terrible people get all the jobs, to the degree where people who have repeatedly stolen from work or no-call-no-showed can somehow get TWO JOBS AT ONCE. And employ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/17 12:35 AM
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Well, I don't fucking like it either. The world wasn't designed to make you or I comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 02:00 AM
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I prefer the term ctrl-left, it makes me chuckle, and they do have an obsession with controlling things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 06:33 PM
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Slate star Codex has a thing about the Grey Tribe that is relevant here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 06:32 PM
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Honestly, I see a future that women are just better-suited to. Especially considering all the education and job market stuff discussed here. It's a world where being social and being liked (and being liked by EVERYONE) is even more vital for success and happiness. Where risk carries heavy penalties, and the optimal route to take in life is one that women are way more okay with (keep your head down and do what you're told at a soul-crushing call-center job, slowly climb the ladder by being obedie…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 06:29 PM
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"First date"? How exactly did a first date happen in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 04:52 AM
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It functionally does say that. It says "if you're alone, it's your own fault, there's something wrong with you, you're garbage". A woman's lack of success in dating is her being a victim of male predation or neglect. A guy? Always, always his fault. It's pretty much what Republicans think of the poor, but because it refers mostly to white men, who aren't a protected species, a virtue-signaling leftist feminist never notices the dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 04:47 AM
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Forgive my lack of precision. She's not a gen-Y or millennial feminist, so she's not obsessed with new-left victimhood worship or "cis white males are the devil" shit. I don't think she defines herself by being a feminist, and I don't think she writes to shoehorn it into her work. Newt was who stuck out at me as the oddity; it's been so long since I'd seen a male romantic interest written by a woman that didn't read like a bodice-ripper fantasy or twilight-tier fanfic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 02:55 PM
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Lots of PEOPLE don't, but I think women more commonly wind up empty social butterflies who's primary goals in life involve weddings and babies (not marriage and family. They fixate on the weddings and the babies) and posting selfies on facebook. Lots of women are boring as shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 06:35 AM
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I agree with you, but I think she's over-stating her zero attraction. Has she actually spent any time with Freddy? Seen how he lights up when talking about photography? Laughed at a joke he made? Let him hold her hand? Now, mind you, it's not her job to seek out people she's ambivalent towards and try to fall in love with them, but if he's trying to get to know her, I think it's not bad advice for her to not brush him off and go back to pineing for Travis. Way too often, women make it really har…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 02:32 AM
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Oh, because I thought that guys SHOULDNT take a woman talking to them as a sign of interest. That's just women being nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 12:06 AM
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Except they manifestly don't know themselves. Nor do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 12:03 AM
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I think they give chances in a very grudging, perfunctory way. Like someone who goes to a restaurant wearing noseplugs and orders Mac and cheese; surprise surprise, the food was bland and boring, because you WANTED it to be. I've been on dates that started as an offer for live music or an art show or festival or whatever, but got turned in to "coffee" because she said no to everything else. And if I dared sit too near her, she'd flap-slap me and say I was "in her bubble." How the fuck am I suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 12:02 AM
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Rowling is a bookish wallflower; Hermione was her author-avatar, remember? The screenplay was written from a female perspective, and an intelligent mature female at that. Some women DO like awkward, but quietly passionate men, especially when theyre competent and brave, or at least imagine they like them. Re: fat guy. She can read minds. He seemed genuinely GOOD and likable. She's had years of seeing how people's bodies and personalities don't match up, quality wise. If I could instantly see tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 11:53 PM
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Well, Travis already has a prom date who's hotter than you. Get over not getting the best. This might shock you, but men have a very broad idea of what's attractive, and they'll make an effort to find something appealing in a woman. As in, they'll get over a girl being a bit chubby if she has a cute face, or good skin, or is funny, or ACTUALLY LIKES him. Lots of men don't even bother to notice super-attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 11:38 PM
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I actually think that female attraction is negotiable, up to a point. More negotiable than male attraction, at least. Women's attitude two what they find attractive reminds me of an anxious or sour person dragged to an amusement park. They're kinda determined to not have a good time and to be critical of everything. They're not going to lighten up until they run into something painfully over-the-top fun or that fits exactly what they think they like most (absurdly hot dude or dude that matches t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 10:50 PM
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So your stance is that only extremely attractive men should ever talk to you? Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 11:00 PM
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Youre interpreting male motives in the most negative way possible. A date doesn't mean "let's fuck" it means "let's hang out and see if we both want to fuck." Men who aren't PUAs don't just talk to ANY woman in public. She's got to be REALLY appealing for him to try, and I don't mean hot. Like, she has to really heavily appeal to his particular tastes, in her physical appearance, and also in her personal style. ( The clothes and style of a woman doesn't say nothing about her, you know ) If women…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 08:17 PM
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He's complaining about modern internet-fueled and left/sjw-fueled identity politics. He's just doing it in a very vague and rambly muttery way that's out of character for Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 07:57 PM
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It doesn't even have to be an ugly guy, it just has to be a guy who isn't drophead handsome and charming. They're heavily invested in seeing men as the enemy and this harassment narrative, so only an instant panty-melter will make them forget about that. Guys throw out their principles for hot girls, too, but the difference is that we don't endlessly complain about how dare average women wear sexy clothing. Also, men have a much broader idea of what an attractive woman is. If men were women, sum…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 07:46 PM
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Right, I understand that. The problem is, how does someone get to know you without talking to you first? How does he see you again in the future? How long does he pretend to just want to get to know you? I think the problem with your perspective is that what you ask for changes depending on the state of your life. If YOU happened to be single and lonely, you wouldn't be spending much time complaining about men introducing themselves. Actually, to have any sort of leg to stand on here at all, if …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 07:41 PM
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Same reason that Trump won. And Brexit. The left's discourse has become increasingly toxic at the fringe, and said fringe has a habit of bullying anyone on the center left who speaks out against them (it's called the Left Pole. Everything is to the Right). What it did was drive moderate people to the right. In America, the left's actual POLICIES are moderate, but the discourse on the internet and among educated young people is very, VERY full of identity politics. And EVERYTHING , left, right, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 06:30 PM
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Obama collects Superman comics and can make Zero Wing references. The only motherfucker whiter than him is ME, because I play tabletop wargames.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 05:33 AM
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Reddit is full of paranoid shut-in women; the female equivalent of typical male redditors. They have deep social anxiety and don't fit in with most women, and simply can't enjoy male attention the way other women can because of their low self-esteem, so out of self-defense they auto-assume the most negative possible motivations of men. Or they're nerd queens who are perpetually inundated with male attention, constantly seek it out, and throw a fit when they get slightly more than what they want …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/16 05:24 AM
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Okay, I was off-topic. I guess my point is that its ironic that as middle-class white people, they're in the demographic where women are the LEAST like they say they are. the Middle class white demographic is the ONE place where being nice and supportive and kind won't get you automatically tagged as a chump/wuss/mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 01:00 AM
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Red Pill stuff works even BETTER on lower-class women. Lower-class women have an incredibly pragmatic, mercenary view of relationships. Or they're professional victims who do the same exact thing, but get beat up more and wind up parasitized themselves. I'm making up terminology as I go here, but bear with me. Its pretty much caveman times for low-class dirtbags. These women trade sex for free room and board, existing as parasites, and only leave their host when a better one comes along. The ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 12:29 AM
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It's obviously not tiresome enough that you've stopped going to bars and "parties," whatever those are. That said, the over-persistence and the attempted kissing is shitty. I'd question how clearly you showed disinterest, but the attempted kiss indicates he was WAY out of line, and I'm hardly an authority anyways. But I think you'd quickly change your tune if you actually got your wish and all men everywhere suddenly stopped bothering you. Most women I know would shrivel up and die without a con…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 03:26 PM
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That's what it winds up doing, though. I've always found the catcalling thing baffling, as I've only ever seen it on YouTube videos recorded exactly to highlight the problem. And most of the screaming is directed at dudes who don't catcall, who wind up assuming that "Hi, you're pretty" must be a catcall if they're still being shouted at. I'm saying that I think a different vibe would be helpful. Also, It'd be nice if women were given SANE advice on how to comport themselves instead of a mix of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 09:07 PM
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Lots of women I know, the only attitude they express regarding men is "stop bothering me" regardless of context. Bars included. In bars, they treat being flirted with as either a harrowing experience or a tiresome chore. The "everyone's a rapist" thing is pretty common in the SJW/super-liberal/college crowd whenever they need to position themselves as a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 08:57 PM
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I've spoken to women who think even that shouldn't be allowed unless they've indicated interest somehow already.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 08:50 PM
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Here's the way I think of it: people's subconscious is figuratively a very stupid DNA robot that still thinks it's caveman times. It takes in information from the forebrain, and spits back "feels" in a desperate attempt to keep what it sees as that fucking idiot forebrain from killing both of them. If a woman's DNA has gotten it into its head that her abusive boyfriend is the alpha provider that will give her meat and strong children and kill smilodons that might threaten her, it doesn't give a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 02:46 AM
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I actively dislike the feel of "stubble," so I personally prefer a girl to either assiduously wax that shit, or just trim it occasionally. I like reaching down into the front of a girl's pants during foreplay, and stubble is a real tactile turnoff for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:00 PM
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Actually, I see the behavior red pill talks about usually not in super-hot women. I see it in women who are...attractive, but "flawed" in some way (flawed by the standards of other girls and, I presume, chads). The girl with the perfect hourglass figure, but a plain big-jawed face. The girl who's too tall. The girl who's thick, but with a gorgeous face and Rockn tits. The girl who can't stand that under her quirky blue hair and anime miniskirts, she's just a skinny chick with a sharp rat-face.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 12:58 AM
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Depends, but probably not. Struck once in anger/extremis? Was it a scuffle between them, or one sided? Things happen, that doesn't make you a garbage person for hitting someone once; relationships are an emotional hothouse. "Beating"? No. That term indicates regular and systematic abuse, along with the fucked up power dynamics of lopsided relationships. You shouldn't even associate with that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 03:47 PM
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Women: being too unwilling to let go of bad relationships, being too resistant to leaving their comfort zone regarding new relationships. Letting insignificant factors/details determine major decisions. Being very, very unaware of the limits of their own self-knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 01:43 AM
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A guy standing 3 feet away, smiling, and saying hello does not warrant summoning a bodyguard to fend him away. A guy you're on a date with putting his arm around your back doesn't warrant a series of flutterslaps and shouting about bubbles. A guy saying you're pretty doesn't warrant a tirade about how gross he is and how much you hate that he exists. Actually, you know what hurts way more than being rejected directly? Being indirectly rejected. I've had women I've approached just turn away, grab…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 02:33 AM
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... Safety? It's so easy to take that "any means necessay" stance when you treat everything as some kind of existential threat to your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 06:01 AM
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What if the world took your advice? What if you found that no one actually did bother you about selling vacuums? And other, vacuum-less women feel lonely and discover they have no funding idea where the vacuum store is or how to buy one? Or, far more likely, you'd find that now, the ONLY vacuum salesmen you see are all universally pushy as Sholes, because all the honest, earnest salesmen took your advice to heart. I work sales. Some of us genuinely enjoy helping people, being their personal expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 05:55 AM
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My own experience with lower-class people is that traditional gender roles apply. Women latch on to the largest, strongest male they can find, pay for food and goods with sex, and concepts like kindness or "not being a violent retard" paint you as chump to be exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 03:12 AM
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Yes, but it'd severely reduce the mid-level demand. If you removed the desperation for/scarcity of real, interactive, quality sex from the equation, I think that a lot of women would find themselves suddenly a lot less "harassed," by middle AND high-end dudes. Men would still have the desire to build real intimate relationships with women. But they'd be able to go into it with clearer heads, and the women who are "hot" but otherwise unpleasant, boring, or empty would find themselves outcompeted …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:33 AM
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Okay, everyone screaming about how this is limiting women's freedoms, you need to understand something: Some women are stupid shitheaded attention whores who WANT to create this kind of drama. When men complain that women shouldn't get mad when men notice their revealing clothing, they're thinking about that time when a girl wearing a jessica rabbit top bounced up next to (or in front of them), and their eyes DARED to move downwards for a milisecond, and the girl had an absolute shitfit about he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:46 AM
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I think the answer is you don't. The number of women who get legitimately creeped out by men talking to her in public is pretty small; it's just that they have a heavy online presence because they're introverted shut-ins with low self-esteem just like most male reddit users. Then there's the soapbox-sadie feminists who aren't actually creeped out, but it's an excuse for them to get offended. Most of the complaints about creepy day approaches are about really transgressive and persistent stuff li…
/r/seduction28/09/16 05:15 PM
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Girl pictured has a gorgeous face to me for some reason. And there's intangible factors to do with personality. I'd say she's above average regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 06:41 PM
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I actually lost 60 lbs two years ago, and have kept it off since then. I think I might be at the practical limits of my ability to lose weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:06 PM
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If the person slapping me WANTS me to fight back or get mad, I'll apologize with a fucking smile.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:05 PM
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I'll ignore the personal attacks and point out that in the described scenario, it's an incredibly blunt and phoned-in attempt at wing-girling even when you leave out the morbidly obese bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 04:46 PM
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Well, Durrr. My point is that women who look like that have historically treated me shittier than skinny, fit women. I don't even consider most of those pics to be FAT. Once more, Midwest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 01:35 PM
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I'm not morbidly obese, though. Ever since that happened twice, I've stopped asking for wingperson help. Male friends are even more useless; they're either worse than me, or every girl becomes immediately stuck on THEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 01:32 PM
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Based on that link, I find most of the women there perfectly acceptable. Few of those bodies make me go "whoa," but stick a pretty/interesting face on there, and the bodies would in no way be a dealbreaker. And a few are Whoa.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 04:43 AM
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I'm gonna be honest: women of a similar BMI to me are IMPOSSIBLE to get to turn up for a date. They're always inevitably still hung up on some guy, crushing on another guy, or already after one of my handsomer, fitter friends, or some other combination of the two. When you get into that range of "chubby, but pretty" women, they get very, VERY particular. The WORST dating/flirting experience of my life was with an absolute nightmare of a woman who I honestly think is roughly in my same league as …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 04:33 AM
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5'11, 225 lbs. Don't remember my %, but I'm build pretty broad. I'm also smart and funny, but I'm rarely allowed to actually speak to a woman and convey that before her friend steps between us and says "she has a boyfriend. And she's gay" then turns her back to me and starts making out with her. Friends swear up and down that I'm a good-looking guy, but the evidence fails to bear that out. I can't recall the last time I received so much as a lingering glance from anyone. The only people who thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:51 AM
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har har. For the sake of simplicity, lets say I'm at least as handsome as Seth Rogen. And I'm fitter than old seth rogen, but not quite as fit as modern Seth Rogen. My looksmatch is probably thick, bordering on chubby, but not obese landwhale. Unless you're going to do that goalpost-moving thing that women on reddit do where any guy that isn't built of abs, dicks, and cleft chins deserves nothing better than the passing attention of the morbidly obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:37 AM
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Every time a girl offers to "wingman" for me, she goes and finds the fattest girl in the bar, marches her up to me, and leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 02:34 AM
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I have no idea then, honestly. I think the suggestion of using words is the best one to go with. I don't know what works on the kinds of dudes women actually WANT to date. I assume they're all the type that just up and leaves with no remorse if they don't get what they want immediately. Being "led on", to me, means when a woman likes my attention more than she likes me. Or when she's too gutless to just say she's not interested, so she just agrees to dates then flakes, repeatedly, until you get …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 01:41 AM
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Because the modern super-left has been pretty badly infected with dumb. There's a weird hierarchy of oppression Olympics and identity, kind of like pokemon types or rock paper scissors. brown people have a higher priority than women of any ethnicity. Who's the hero and the villain in any conflict is based on the identity of the participants, now. You want to see a SJW's brain melt? Show them a fist fight between a gay black muslim guy and a trans mtf hispanic wiccan. Islamists basically gave the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 03:20 AM
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They/she assumed he saw women as sexbots, is my point. That's a bit hurtful. Screaming at people to check their privilege when theyre asking for help isn't helping them. Its helping yourself get a righteous high and virtue-signal, at the expense of their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 03:08 AM
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I think that a woman shouldn't do that in the context of a date and be shocked when a man tries to initiate sex, or even tries HARD, because he feels like it's mixed signals. It doesn't give the guy a pass to fucking brutalized her, but she doesn't get to act confused if he's persistent. lots of women get off on being ravished/"overpowered." Any guy who doesn't stop when a woman seriously screams stop wasn't going to take no for an answer no matter what a woman said or did. most guys aren't like…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 02:05 AM
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...make out a bit? Give a real, genuine indication that you like the guy? push for the 2ND or 3Rd date? That said, women who consciously avoid sex even when they want it because of "reasons" wind up shooting themselves in the feet. By the time date 3 rolls around, you might be bored or disgusted that the guy is still jumping through your hoops. in which case, re-think the kind of person you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 01:55 AM
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The OP statement is mostly nonsense, but I think there's a kernel of sense somewhere in it... I think...i think part of the premise isn't that sex has to happen, but that it has to be "on the table." there has to be a reasonable possibility in the future. the bit about a date counting as consent is retarded creepy nonsense, but I think a more reasonable complaint is that on a date, the possibility of sexuallity exists. I've heard women complaining about dates where the complaint amounts to "Oh, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 01:43 AM
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I think it's a bit of a reach, but there's a bad-faith argument tactic being used there where you assume/imply the person asking for advice is garbage to avoid giving real advice or empathize. EX: "I can't find a job" Well, maybe you should shower before interviews and not call the interviewer a cunt "I don't do those things" Then why don't you have a job, you foul-mouthed stenchlord?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 01:27 AM
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Depends what you mean by empathy. Sadly, I know exactly what you mean by men being attracted to "psychopaths." the thing is, whats normally thought of as the "good" kind of empathy is way more cognitive than emotional. Bpd and HPD women seem to have very intense emotions, that's what men find attractive, especially reserved or lonely men. but just feeling things intensely doesn't make someone a better person; it usually makes them selfish and spiteful, because they're addicted to the roller coas…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 01:22 AM
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You're way more likely to be accused of "being scary;" there's an implication of attempted rape there, but it's just a tactic to get rid of you if you're inconvenient. Its hilarious, because some women will bend over backwards to explain how the guy who punched them in the face and threatened them with a knife is just misunderstood and really loves them. And others will shake in their boots and run for help when a man smiles at them and says hello from 5 feet away.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 09:43 PM
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I think that's a "common sense" statement based on impressions and personal experience, and no study or hard evidence conclusively disproves it. Also, most people know that bad people/sociopaths/compulsive liars aren't all that common, and because of bell curves, there are just fewer shitty women than shitty men by raw numbers. I think there are enough understandable reasons for a woman to not report sexual assault that the unreported rape numbers could be pretty high. There are more "nice", she…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 09:32 PM
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If by their inner selves being weak and having insecurities and thus being unattractive, then yes, you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 08:29 PM
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I actually really like tall women, I'm 5'11" and way in to any woman up to 5'10.5" Part of it comes from anxiety, though. Maybe if I'm talking to a woman who I don't loom over, I'll be less intimidating to her, and she won't treat me like a retarded rape-bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 05:30 AM
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Well, that's just deeply depressing to me. because I've never in my life gotten a "signal." It reaches the point where if a woman is slightly friendly to me, I have to remind myself that she's just being friendly, and this is what normal people experience all the time, even if it makes me mark my calendar. It's less depressing to think that women never signal and just wait to be approached, then shout at you for daring to look at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 05:23 AM
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Actually, it's not the rudeness that gets to me, it's the lack of...respect isn't the right word, because that brings to mind some egotistical prick demanding obedience. But... Being told I'm out of my league, or some other improbably cruel thing, doesn't happen very often. It's happened to me like twice, and it didn't hurt all that much. The rudeness that hurts is when you read the complaining on the internet that confirms all your worst fears. Or when you hear shit like "unless I indicate inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 02:53 AM
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Had a friend who has profound issues with his extended family due to being slightly black; they're all white and kinda racist. He's supremely attractive and charismatic. His Hispanic girlfriend wanted to go to thanksgiving with him. Later, after they broke up, she told me that during thanksgiving he was super anxious and at one point had to leave the room with her to have a mini panic attack and cry. The manner in which she relayed it indicated that she was confused and disgusted and affronted. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 02:24 AM
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I can't speak for redpillers, a chunk of who's hatred is irrational and rooted in someplace either ugly, stodgy, or both, but as a single 28 guy, I am a bit exasperated that the dating market is flooded with them. And they do kinda date a bit...parasitically. Some of them go on and on about their asshole baby daddy, and its just overly negative and wearying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 11:44 PM
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Im not sure that men truly do wish women would pursue. I think that when men say something to that effect, it's more about "maybe YOU should try going through this painful bullshit. Then I'll take your talking about all the places and times men aren't allowed to hit on you more seriously." It comes from a perception that women have no concept of how painful it is to be near-universally rejected if you try, and utterly ignored if you don't. Whereas I think that men are slightly better at understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 11:14 PM
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That's generally the case at ALL times. It's also the case between me and any man the same size or larger who heavily works out. Or any man with a knife. Which they could ALL have. But because I'm not full of stranger danger and feminist victim complex, I don't walk down the street in fear that every random person might try to kill me just because they COULD. Realistically, a woman is going to be assaulted by someone she knows, not a stranger. Just like with child abductions; children are really…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 05:15 PM
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It's not even advice that serves the customer, up to a point. A lot of buying decisions are really complicated for most people (cars, phones), and while customers will complain about pushy sales guys, they never actually buy the thing they want without a sales person to nudge them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 02:15 AM
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I've worked retail wireless for two years. Sold lots of girls their precious overpriced iphones. Never once got flirted with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 02:10 AM
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Im in the same physical archetype as Johntron and Jason, but honestly better-looking than them, and probably fitter under the flab. And the women they're with are exactly the type I would go after. They're also the type that have been reliably ditching me mid-date because they'd just gotten a text saying a dude they'd been crushing on had become single, or claiming they're just not looking for anything serious right now, then starting a relationship the next day with a deadbeat-dad door guy at a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 01:40 AM
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Do you understand numerically descriptive words? Yes, extroverts get noticed more. But shy girls do get noticed and approached. I spent years going after shy girls, and wound up wasting way too much time because they were too spineless to just say "no" to my face, and getting hurt later when they'd deal with the problem of me by coldly ignoring me or deploying goons to chivvy me away.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 01:23 AM
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Incorrect. Men like any woman who's physically attractive, and they can like lots of different types of women. But they really don't like smashing in to brick walls, and an extroverted woman will at least be likely to talk back to them. a woman who's extroverted grabs more attention by virtue of being loud. And it depends what you mean by shy. Shy as in "runs away screaming even if she likes you" is downright Dangerous for men, because it makes them look like predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 01:18 AM
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This. I've had it drilled in to me that if a woman isn't enthusiastically gloating on to me, I'm bothering her and probably intimidating her, and by not immediately leaving and never talking to her again, I'm pretty much sexually assaulting her. I do have an element of exasperation/envy with shy women:" oh, that must be nice; despite being shy, you ll have an endless stream of guys bothering you until you eventually figure out how to smile back. Whereas If I shyly hid in the corner, I'd never ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 01:11 AM
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I disagree. If you look at the list of famous women that have been ACTUALLY sexually mimetic for men, not prepackaged to them as sex symbols, it's pretty broad. Demi Moore is short and was kinda boyish, summer Glau has a giant forehead and looks weird and doesn't have huge assets. Jennifer lawrence is "fat" apparently. Tina Fey has badgerface and big hips. Christen Schaal is...christen Schaal. and that's the narrowness of Hollywood; in real life, there's a huge range of attractive female bodies …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 01:05 AM
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The term "demonize" was overly-harsh on my part. A chunk of frustration comes from some women apparently going in to a frothing rage or coniptions of anxiety when men try flirting with them. As they tell it, every man who talks to them is an obnoxious PUA or a creeper, but that rings false to most dudes, who are also told to "just put yourself out there and be confident," or some shit. Just yesterday, a female friend of mine who's a waitress at an after-bar restaurant told me about some girl (a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 12:24 AM
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As a man, Im actually mainly interested in emotional intimacy, or at least in meeting someone I can be friends with whom I also find attractive. I think that women too often jump to "dude just wants sex" because they don't want to admit to themselves that they're not in to a dude who isn't tall/rich/cut/popular/whatever. Demonizing them is easier than admitting that you might be shallower than you want to believe. I mean, that's understandable. It must suck to feel like a bug zapper that men thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 08:37 PM
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Because it's generally true on a superficial level. I think it's more accurate that women are encouraged to take on the SUPERFICIAL trappings of maturity more quickly than men. I mean, can you really call a 18-year-old woman who's planning her perfect wedding and naming her unborn children and searching for a man who will propose to her in 6 months "mature?" I disagree. Even in childhood, girls gravitate towards the trappings of mundane adulthood where boys gravitate towards escapist fantasy. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 08:20 PM
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In the case of several specific people, yes. beyond that, I'm mostly just being a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 09:27 PM
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Except that 21-year-olds generally don't have the finances to support a child, however much they think they need one. And young people are stupid. A career is a lot easier to change your mind about than kids. Plus, it's only a viable option if you have a Man who will support you...because broseph baller mc-flatcap is such a good provider and a great role model. But of course, being a father will CHANGE him. Because these sorts of women also think that they can change a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 09:23 PM
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I'm thinking of a particular person, I will admit, but most of the young women I know personally who had kids did so for stupid reasons (gotta keep my man) and have a very obsessive, brittle attitude about it "look I'm a mom. Everyone see me being a mom. Being a mom is what I am. Everyone tell me what a good mom I'm being."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 07:28 PM
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Because they have no other ambitions, interests, or talents.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 07:23 PM
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I think the baby obsession is a bit unseemly, to be honest. Babies are only babies for 3 years at most. After that, they're CHILDREN. (and after that....teenagers [shudder]) They don't exist to make You feel better or to fix YOUR problems. I never get twinges of wanting babies. I find them to be gross screaming pooping larvae, a responsibility that gets inflicted on you. I hate the way toddlers stomp around and make random shrieking noises and chirps and squawks. I hate the way they scream for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 05:22 PM
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Another element is in the social context that women live in and the ideas they pick up; A baby will give your life meaning and validate your existence. A baby will give you delicious attention after your early 20s. A baby will totally fix your relationship problems and stop your man from leaving you. Whenever I see a 20something woman with a kid they had voluntarily, I think to my self "looks like Someone didn't have much else going on in her life." Some (awful, often poor) women kinda get addic…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 05:09 PM
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It's been my experience. I'm not going to be able to date the boring girl either, because I don't wear a flat-brimmed hat or drive a...whatever car people think is a rich popular douchey car. I don't know cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 06:12 AM
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An arbitrary and irrelevant distinction. GI joes are small articulated dolls that fit into toy vehicles. barbie has cars and little playsets as well. My point is that even back in 1913, smart girls had noticed that girl stuff sucked, otherwise welles wouldn't have titled the book in such a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 10:53 PM
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HG Welles wrote a short book called "Little Wars: a game for boys from twelve years of age to one hundred and fifty and for that more intelligent sort of girl who likes boys' games and books" in 1913. Women have been ditching barbie for G.I. Joe for a long time, because G.I. Joe is objectively more interesting; the tank shoots spring-loaded missiles and part of it detaches to form a helicopter. Barbie has...hair you can brush.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 10:27 PM
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I was speaking in generalities and in a rush, and its not a judgement, just an observation. Show me a straight man who's in to soap operas, getting his nails done, astrology, reading cosmo, dressing in skirts, boy bands, and other incredibly stereotypical feminine interests. Maybe you can, but it'll be a bit of a hunt, because they're rare. Even many/most gay men aren't particularly interested in such things. I'm saying that there are more tomboys than reverse tomboys (the latter being so rare w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 10:22 PM
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Women who are in to guy stuff either are, or wind up being turned in to, entitled attention whores. You won't date them, because you're not in the top 5% of dudes. By definition, she now has a huge stable of personality-compatible men to pick from. Not all women are as TRP describes them, but most skinny attractive conventional middle class women are. And most nerd/geek girls Guys who are into girl stuff are gay. Also, girl stuff sucks because it's narrow and ghettoized, and up until recently, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 05:17 PM
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I actually agree about the male support structures. It's not even stuff like men's rights groups. It's the way culture is built. People who go on about the "old boys club" and the like only see that the members of the club all have penises. Most men, even most WHITE men, aren't IN the old boys club. For men, it's way way easier to fall through the cracks and spiral into a dark place, because women and other men don't have the gut-level instinct to help and protect men the way men protect women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 04:51 PM
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Yesssssssssss...mostly. Women also enforce those roles and ideas on other women. Both men and women enforce societal norms on younger people and their peers. I'm thinking of one of the books by Alan hirsi Ali, where her grandmother was pretty cruel, draconian, and did a lot to keep "the patriarchy" going. Women in general are pretty concerned about what other women do; "slut shaming" comes mostly from women. Yeah Yeah, tools of the patriarchy. There isn't some guy named Joe Patriarch somewhere m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 04:01 PM
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I think there's something to the idea that some men need to be given the advice to stop worrying if they're being selfish or offending someone. To be told to stop worrying that every woman they talk to lives in constant fear of being raped. I went through SO long feeling like any sign of my sexual interest in a woman was disgusting and offensive. Even when I had some actual success and got partially over that, shit like DNL combined with some spectacularly bad experiences still makes me feel lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 07:52 AM
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Nerdlove is not good. There's some good advice there, but most of it is old. Most of the site's readership are women, and the comments are full of sanctimonious smug circlejerking tumblrtards. So in order to maintain traffic, the content is tuned towards the sort of stuff that feminists share/re-tweet. It very much has that theme of "keep being a good little niceguy, only more confident, but not too confident, because that's scary to women. Don't scare women. Actually, don't talk to them unless …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 07:42 AM
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They both were...lower socioeconomic status. I'm not. But I keep running in to lower-case people. Or, I talk to lots of women, and the only ones who actually turn up for a date turn out to be poor. And then I get ditched by them for someone who's a textbook worthless dirtbag. When Im around people of my own socioeconomic status, all the women have been dating the same dude for forever, who's awkward and uncharismatic, but rich. Or they're dating my one absurdly handsome friend. Either way, I'm a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 04:09 AM
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I've never in my life seen an attractive girl be into a guy who isn't either jacked or rich. I've had a girl flake on plans with me to, as it turns out, fuck a guy she was just asking me to protect her from because he'd been groping her while she was drunk. Dude was an unemployed 30-year-old with an ex wife and kids who lived a dirtbag existence and had been independently verified as skeevy. But he was jacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 03:49 PM
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As opposed to bluepill thinking that men are dangerous animals who need to be reminded every day about not raping?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 03:41 PM
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As a man, I'm tried of being treated like a rabid rape-monster that can't be reasoned with, only distracted and deflected. Treating everyone around you as a potential threat is a great way to be able to act like an asshole without having to feel guilty. Suddenly, any gutless, cowardly, hurtful thing you want to do is a-okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 12:39 AM
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But, in fact, that wouldn't happen. Because only the men who read and listen to the dumb shit women say would actually take that to heart; men who actually are sexually agressive would ignore it, leaving every guy who tried to be "nice" left behind. It comes off as sabotaging advice; "Don't call me, I'll call you" is really just a way of saying "stop bothering me."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 12:35 AM
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If this actually got enacted, then women would get laid WAY less often. Every guy would sit like a lump waiting to be handed the signed consent document in triplicate. Women would be on the internet whining about how men aren't forward enough and never take hints. And if they were adviced to be more direct and give enthusiastic consent, they'd say "ooooohhh, that's so scary. My anxiety is too high for that, there's too much risk of rejection, oh my feels."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 12:31 AM
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I think that's a contrived demonization made up by someone who doesn't want to admit to themselves that they're spineless cowards. I've seen women do this to other women; avoid dealing with problems, then say its because they're afraid of the other person blowing up, then recruiting someone else to deal with it on their behalf, because the other girl is too unpredictable/dangerous. Tag a guy as "dangerous," and suddenly anything you do is "self-defense." No one can blame you for lying or being c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 12:26 AM
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I'm in sales. If I treated every soft no or technical indication of disinterest as a literal hard no, then I'd be fired, and no customer would ever buy anything. The way the world/people's personalities are set up, some people have to be convinced into doing things they want to do. This is off-topic, but I liken it to women who complain about constantly being hit on. I'd like to see how they deal with a month of being treated the way even attractive men are treated by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 12:16 AM
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Its a live-by-the-sword, die-by-the-sword argument. The point is that men who "chose" (putting aside arguments related to culture and opportunity) to be violent or participate in violence being physically attacked isn't as much of a societal problem/failing as an "innocent" person being attacked. Men might actually still be attacked more than women even when you remove drug dealers, gangbangers, and low-class loudmouthed brawlers from the data pool, though. But do rememeber that "chav gets beat …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 11:41 PM
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I agree with you; I'm drawing a distinction between people with legitimate concerns and those who want everyone with a tan rounded up and deported. People wouldn't have to consider supporting legit racists and white supremacists if the actual political leaders werent caving to PC pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:46 PM
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I think that people on the far, FAR right are becoming more popular because reasonable people on the right are marginalized by the way the left is so godsdamned gleeful when they think they've spotted a racist. I respect Republicans enough to not think that trump is entirely their fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:43 PM
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Women who share interests with me are weirdos by definition, who already have tons of male hangers-on. They're very, very good at juggling a dude harem, I don't want to be involved in that again. I'm sick to death of wacky coddled nerd girls who freak out at you if you disagree with them
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 12:23 AM
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No, there isn't. Because I'm a man talking to them in a bar, I assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 12:18 AM
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Making up dumb bullshit isn't letting me down easy, it's indicating that they're afraid of me. If they weren't afraid, they'd just be honest. At the very least they could just claim to be gay or taken. I'm frustrated at overblown anxiety that they don't seem to be making any effort to get over. I'm particularly frustrated at the level of anxiety where a woman actually likes you, but because of her anxiety, she flakes on you and stays home, decides that you were a potential rapist anyways and she…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 08:19 PM
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She didn't describe herself that way, her friend described both of them that way. And I don't think they're lying, I just think that is a trendy condition to have, and I was rolling my eyes at how I managed to try chatting up the one girl in the place who had decided she was asexual that week, because that's way cooler than being nervous and awkward. Kinda like how sperglords claim to be high-functioning sociopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 07:21 PM
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So...why do you even go out to bars at all? If it's such a hellscape of rapists, socialize with your friends in literally ANY other context. My social circles have no single women in them. All the women are the sort who have only male friends. all my male friends have a "hisssss, mine!" perspective on their own female friends, whom I'm not really allowed to talk to, because my friend is trying to crawl out of their friendzone.. The one occasion I actually had a female friend talk about introduci…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 07:04 PM
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I know what demisexual is, that was just the random Tumblr phrase I thought of. That's not some weird sexuallity, that's pretty normal humanity. And "demisexual" people still have to fucking Turn Up in order to have a chance at building an emotional connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 06:13 PM
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Well, then no one wants to date me or hang out with me, because no one does. I'm finding it pretty hard to maintain any sense of self-worth or confidence in the face of that. And I'm also finding it hard to believe all the friends who tell me how handsome and funny I am and how anyone who doesn't want to date me is just missing out. It all rings a bit hollow.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 06:07 PM
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Sometimes it feels like a security system that's so over-designed, it doesn't actually Let ANYONE in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/16 05:58 PM
3

I think that most of the rest of the government would just start to ignore him. he'd have an office with a phone in it, and he'd call and give instructions, everyone would say "yes, we'll get right on it"...and go back to what they were already doing. His even still having any kind of media profile should be a wakeup call for the country, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 07:04 AM
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Trump doesn't have views. He's an obvious buffoon with no class who says whatever he thinks will play well at the time, but enough people like you are so frustrated that they'll fill the empty toupe'd space that is trump with their pet cause. Strong borders are a bit iffy, honestly. The US/Mexico border is functionally impossible to lock down; the only way to make it less porous is to make people want to cross it less. illegal immigration is already down since the recession; America is way less …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 06:07 AM
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I have too much respect for conservatives to believe that so many of them would support trump or marine la'penne (sp) of their own Accord or without extenuating circumstances. my own quite Republican dad hates Hillary and trump so much he registered as Democrat and voted for Sanders. People shoved into a box can bounce out in unexpected directions. reasonable conservative people can wind up supporting far-right unreasonable elememts because they feel that's the only place their voice isn't shout…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 02:52 AM
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I did say that it was an atrocious analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 02:18 AM
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Eh, I don't mind. I'll save bellyaching and nitpicking for when actual BLATANT tokenism and grrl-power happens. Unless shit starts to get captain-planet, I'm not worried. Rey was just a conventional chosen one protagonist; she could have been male with almost no changes. She was just good at too many things. If this main character has some actual flaws or some kind of arc beyond just "being rebellious," then I'll be happy. Which reminds me; Housebound actually had a great female protagonist. She…
/r/TheRedPill14/04/16 01:30 AM
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This is more about bulk weight LOSS than gaining muscle mass, but I thought I'd share my personal experience losing weight. I used to weigh 260 lbs. I college, I was up to 280 at one point. I'm 6' and solidly built, so I carried it fairly well, but still not an acceptable state. Then I spent a summer on an internship at a nature center on an island in the great lakes. Absolutely no women there, but no fast food either. Dropped 30 lbs over the summer on hiking, swimming, and better diet. dropped …
/r/TheRedPill14/04/16 01:14 AM
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No one deserves (arguable point, I know, but bear with me) to get the crap beaten out of them; its NOT fun, and it causes serious injury, male or female. certainly not when its a one-sided beatdown and not a true "fight." But yeah, in a lot of emotional-extremis smacks (not beatings) are, I suspect, at least a 70/30 split on responsibility. Its a disfunctional relationship. But yes. Plenty of women act out and push particular buttons because they WANT to be struck; they're accustomed to it, its …
/r/TheRedPill13/04/16 11:24 PM
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I'm going to assume that's ironic.
/r/TheRedPill13/04/16 11:02 PM
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Ive seen several examples of this NOT happening. Ive also seen examples of exactly this scenario. Some of the processes here are typical of Borderline Personality Disorder; not ALL women are like this, but enough are, and the women who ARE like this go through relationships quickly and are never NOT in relationships, so more men get a turn to experience being ditched with zero remorse. More and more, I suspect that a lot of the behaviors of women that redpill talks about are emblematic of a SIGN…
/r/TheRedPill28/03/16 09:34 PM
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not sure its scholarly, but yes, this is a real psychological effect. This affects anyone of either gender, but women are probably more prone to it than men.
/r/TheRedPill28/03/16 09:26 PM
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I would say "don't shit where you eat" but if its a big enough company that you won't see eachother during the day, then just be mindful of potential fallout.
/r/askTRP11/03/15 01:30 AM
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Unfortunately, I can't just up and leave town because I think there aren't enough single women in green bay. I'm sure I'll encounter the exact same number of single women no matter where I go.
/r/askTRP11/03/15 12:24 AM
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not so much sordid as embarassing, because the following is the closest I get to a sordid bad breakup. We talked for a month and went on 4 dates, everything was going great, then suddenly she started going all platonic on me. I was not thrilled about it. Her sister and one of her friends ran into me one evening evening and asked how things were going with her. I said not great, asked if she had any insights. She said no, and that she'd talk to her about it. I apologized for bothering her. After …
/r/askTRP11/03/15 12:22 AM
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Yes, I do have a scarcity mentality/oneitis. I'm not going go into detail on how she treated me, but she definitely went out of her way to fuck with my head and ruin my self-esteem. Ever since, I've had zero luck with anyone else, and my continued failures are starting to wear on me and are seriously affecting my actual friendships. My scarcity mentality is semi-justified. I live in a small post-industrial city in wisconsin; pickings are kinda super-fucking slim. The martini bar in question is a…
/r/askTRP10/03/15 06:25 PM
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Sorry. I should have studied the comminity more. I'll delete this baw-filled shitpost shortly.
/r/RedPillWomen16/12/14 08:27 PM
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Yeah, I know you've got a whole philosophy here with terminology and everything. I'm sick of being called a "nice guy" by women who don't know that Niceguy is an insult. I've been making a POINT of not being nice; I don't give women more attention or favors than our relationship warrants. I feel like I've massively improved myself in the last 6 months, and was looking forward to joining normal-ass humanity and finally being allowed into the marketplace. Instead, i feel like I'm being treated wor…
/r/RedPillWomen16/12/14 08:26 PM
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If you read the article, or any of the follow-ups to it, you'd see that the point of the article was "Why aren't MOST women funny?" Obviously funny women still exist, there just aren't all that many of them, and of the ones that do exist, they're often gay or jewish. The answer is that men are often funny to make themselves attractive, and since women are ALREADY attractive to men, there's less selection pressure on them to be funny. As to my own experience; I've personally met ONE genuinely fun…
/r/RedPillWomen16/12/14 06:39 PM
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