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MESSAGE FOR MALE LURKERSGoran07/r/FemaleDatingStrategy12/08/20 03:28 PM
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Do you think weight gain can a foreseeable indicator of somebodies overall happiness? Yes. Being fat is disgusting and miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:44 PM
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Somehow you've failed to acknowledge my point about divorce and are trying to spin this as "growing up." Hopefully the participants in modern marriage are already "grown up." Are you suggesting that it's better for males to learn the hard ("natural") way rather than researching in advance?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 09:37 PM
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It's not like divorce means any kind of failure. Very odd take. I'm not going to argue this because I'm sure you can argue with rare exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 06:50 PM
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then one can rationally assume that you haven't been able to learn the 'natural' way. Learning the "natural" way for most guys tends to not be pretty. Modern divorce rates would indicate that at least 40% of males never even learned prior to marriage (and may not even learn after their divorce)—and I can guarantee you that 40%+ of husbands are not autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 05:22 PM
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Couldn't a lot of the differences be avoided here if men just sought more women who were also on the spectrum? There are far more important factors to consider than whether she is on the spectrum; like her sexual past.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:58 PM
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Did I say that he doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 01:36 PM
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If a girl came up to most men and said "Let's skip all this crap and just have sex" I think most of them would be thrilled, but I genuinely would say no. Only sluts would do this. And you would also very likely need to be fairly attractive. There's three main reasons: You don't want to fuck sluts (which is not uncommon). You aren't actually attractive enough for this scenario to occur and are just using this logic as a coping mechanism. You don't want to fuck uglies (in addition to them being sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 01:20 PM
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Ignorance is bliss.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 12:14 AM
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If every man became alpha (or refused to partake in beta behaviours) The parentheses saved you here, because the reality of the situation is that a majority of males have no chance of ever becoming alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 10:52 PM
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Yes and yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 05:09 PM
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Sex
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 05:04 PM
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Which means they are valued for what they can provide. Even if it's not right now. Offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 05:02 PM
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Whenever I read statements like these all I can think about is conservative guys coping by thinking that girls associated with the conservative political spectrum are somehow exceptions to inherent female nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 06:19 PM
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So why don't men accept this as gospel? Again, many do accept this as gospel. Many males, including myself, fight hair loss and maintain low BF%. For example, the looks forums have a sizeable userbase and are dedicated to male looksmaxing. Personally, I spend a lot of time researching and implementing hair loss prevention protocols, skincare, and diet/exercise. I will also probably get surgery in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 05:54 PM
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Oh, I thought you were referring to sexual activities you didn't agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 05:51 PM
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You clearly do care or else you wouldn't have said: unless she was doing things I generally disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 05:48 PM
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Even if you don't care, would you expect her to be honest if you asked? unless she was doing things I generally disagree with? How are you going to know if you don't ask/try to find out?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 05:43 PM
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Again, the "proud" part of being "loud and proud" is just them coping by passing their sluttiness as "sexual positivity." A lot of this hinges on the expectation of a traditional marriage. If you want to argue that traditional marriage (and religious conservativism) is associated with political conservatism, then I can agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 04:10 PM
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I've never personally noticed any correlation unless strict religious conservatism was involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 03:46 PM
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If you're suggesting "conservative" in a religious sense, as in abstaining until marriage, then okay. Otherwise you're naively associating slutty behavior with the political spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 03:22 PM
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It's laughable that you think the political spectrum would have anything to do with that. Some will cope by describing themselves as "sex positive."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 03:06 PM
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I'm not refusing to answer you—you're not clarifying what I'm even picking for. You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 02:41 PM
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Are you implying that either of them would be successful for a LTR?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 02:36 PM
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Pick for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 02:17 PM
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You're assuming that everyone can consistently pay for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 12:20 PM
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Young males are impressed by other young males. It generally stops being impressive once they're older, but still proves the point that they're actually able to have sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 11:55 AM
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Being homosexual isn't a decision. Being Muslim is a decision. Being involuntarily celibate isn't a decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 11:50 AM
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both
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 11:49 AM
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This is true but serves no purpose because practically nobody considers a female's high n-count to be impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 11:13 AM
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No, as I said, they are recognizing their involuntary celibacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 11:11 AM
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Involuntary celibacy isn't a "label," it's a recognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 10:50 AM
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I have less issues with sluts than with girls going in and out of a lot of LTR's. We have different interpretations of the word slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 10:34 AM
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Why is the phrase "discovering myself" used by young women who are experimenting with different relationships? It's easier to say that than admit to being a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 09:44 AM
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She never has sex for the sole purpose of enjoyment. Providance is not strictly limited to financial support. At minimum, the sex could be for emotional validation, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 04:38 AM
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No, because males have a biological incentive to sexually-diversify as much as possible. A male's high n-count is a reflection of high fitness, whereas that is not necessarily the case for females. A female's n-count is a reflection of her inability to secure a consistent provider, which inherently has unfavorable emotional repercussions, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:32 PM
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This is the only realistic answer to this question. No single female can satisfy diversity desire. The "perfect" situation for a male would never involve just one, despite what some will claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:26 PM
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The very concept of civilization is a triumph of man over instinct. Civilization is dependent on man acting on instinct. The Red Pill is embracing the truth. Understanding sexual dynamics can allow males to think more critically about their sexual decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 01:25 PM
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I don't understand the comparison. Overeating is prevented by satiety (at least with normal people who aren't consuming processed foods). There is no biologically-regulating process relevant to male sex drive (other than refractory period after ejaculation).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:54 PM
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It's not cheating if the rules allow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:26 PM
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Using this logic you may as well tell people to go against their biological imperative by stopping having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 12:26 PM
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She wasn't worth marrying. Not much else to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 06:16 AM
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I'm not sure why you're disagreeing with me when you summarized what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:44 PM
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I don't think it's a great take and is needlessly polarizing. Many females associate males rejecting female sexual promiscuity with spitefulness, when that isn't necessarily the case. There are very logical explanations as to why female sexual promiscuity is not ideal for sexual-relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:38 PM
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Males have a biological incentive to provide for females who are not sexually promiscuous. It has little to do with judgment, and I would argue that females are more judgmental about female sexual promiscuity than males.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:32 PM
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Understanding and embracing female nature helps top percentile (20%, maybe) males navigate the sexual landscape more efficiently. For the majority of males (80%, maybe), reaching that clarity either encourages them to improve their way to the top percentile or discourages them from pursuing females altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 01:23 PM
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Quite a bit. You aren't going to learn this by asking women directly though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:58 AM
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You never explicitly answered the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:38 AM
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Seriously. Just save yourself the effort. Imagine digging through 10+ years of ambiguous past when you don't need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:59 AM
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I simply have zero interest in providing for a slut. At 25, my same-age options are not fantastic, and that isn't going to improve with time. There isn't a good enough reason to not look younger—it has nothing to do with revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:24 AM
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Somehow I wasn't stupid enough to be a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 10:17 AM
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You've described sexual assault (illegal) and sexual harassment. Those activities are punishable and societally-shunned for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:54 AM
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Yes, females evolved to associate with other females, typically under the control of alpha male(s). Males (non-alpha) tend to function as loners. If females want male attention, they can fairly easily achieve it, whereas the reverse is not true for most males (betas).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:00 AM
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There's no correct answer. If you want children, I would suggest focusing on making money and adopting independently.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:23 AM
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I'ts about everyone minding their own business when it comes to people's past because it's not about what (or who) they did in their past, it's about how they are currently. So you believe that males should mind their own business and not ask about a female's sexual past prior to committing to a sexual-relationship with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 01:52 AM
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true
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 12:32 AM
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Why would she share her sexual history with anyone but the individual she deems to be worthy of a LTR (somebody who is respectable, trustworthy, and wouldn't insult her)? Is it not possible for a male to respectfully decline a relationship due to her n-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 12:08 AM
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For a solipsistic mindset, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:50 PM
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It would be a two-way ban then, so the situation would work out nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:47 PM
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Agreed. I have no issue considering myself a psychopath, regardless of the fact that I may be clinically depressed. I would be shocked if a female ever described herself as being narcissistic, histrionic, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:45 PM
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If you didn't answer him he would be disturbed as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:29 PM
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There's still risk for her, but she has more to benefit by lying (bagging herself a provider).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:23 PM
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men can have irrational preferences in partners too Low n-count preference is rational. Many preferences females have are rational, but many are also not (evolutionary preferences that have little bearing to modern context, like male height and frame—indicators of fighting success—for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:22 PM
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Males have no incentive to lie. It hurts them more than it helps because they have to live with that lie, and if their partner finds out then they're in trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:17 PM
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sloppy sixteenths*
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 09:36 PM
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That's always been the case and always will be. It isn't a "today's society" issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 08:44 PM
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It seems to me that both sexes today are predominantly focused on building themselves up financially by getting together, rather than to build up their partner spiritually. Males have to build themselves up, females do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 08:10 PM
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For some real, in my observation, women love to promote how mentally unwell they are. Autism, aspergism, BPD, Anxiety, etc. It's like they're collecting pokemon, they want to collect them all. Mental disorders are the one particular pitfall that they cannot control. And they can also gain sympathy for these disorders, unlike males. But notice how they are unlikely to admit that they are depressed/anxious due to being fat or sexually-promiscuous, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:40 PM
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Sexual Market Value vs Relationship Market Value
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:51 PM
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If you're referring to physical attractiveness, no. I would argue that mental stability/behavior plays a small role in a female's SMV (not just RMV).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:32 PM
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Financial support is not the only form of providance to be expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:21 PM
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Why would females lie about increased masculinity and attractiveness helping them orgasm? It seems to be common sense that that would be a reflection of reality. There is a much more valid reason for females to be underreporting their n-counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:19 PM
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Those hypothetical males aren't in LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:12 PM
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What you're describing is a relationship, not a sexual-relationship. As soon as sex is in the picture, the female is going to expect to be provided for. As soon as the male starts significantly providing for the female, he's going to expect sex in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:11 PM
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Why wouldn't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:56 PM
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I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:55 PM
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Do you consider your relationships with your same-sex friends transactional too? If not, then why does it have to be that way in a different sex romantic relationship? No, because I'm not having sex with my same-sex friends. That's why it's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:55 PM
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In a practical sense, those terms are interchangeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:07 AM
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Good luck with your widespread selective breeding manifest then. Breeding in general is disgusting, so I personally won't be participating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:35 AM
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Evolved differences between sexes won't be changing during any of our lifetimes. Those core characteristics can be traced further back than the human species. Humans are more likely to go extinct than ever evolve a significantly different sexual mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:57 AM
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They don't have to "see" their relationship as anything in particular. Whether they're aware or not, if that exchange doesn't happen then their sexual-relationship probably won't last.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:14 AM
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Most people in relationships want to be around each other She only wants to (continue to) be around him if he's an adequate provider. He wants to be around her for the prospect of sex. and the happiness that results from them being around each other culminates in sex. Yeah, when she's happy enough with the fact that he could be an adequate provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 01:34 AM
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It always was like this and always will be. That is how humans evolved.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:56 PM
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No, not all females are prostitutes. There are way more things beyond sex in life. There's a single reason why males willingly enter LTRs with females and provide for them. You can’t legitimately demand a partner with a certain amount of money if your income is lower. Lol. I guess you haven't met many females.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:53 PM
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No she doesn't. Males provide for females in exchange for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:46 PM
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He has to make money for his partner if he actually wants one. It isn't a two-way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:43 PM
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She makes money for herself, not you as her partner, so this take is arguably counterproductive to what most males are wanting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 09:11 PM
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In this case, solipsism pertains to the inability of females to conceptualize the male perspective. It isn't a "flaw"—it's an evolved distinction between male and female mental function.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:17 PM
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There's no way for me to succinctly answer that. I would suggest looking into Bateman's principle and the Coolidge effect, for starters, and proceeding down that rabbit hole. Although I'm not necessarily saying that you're going to form a dating strategy from this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:58 PM
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I'm referring to sexual dynamics from an evolutionary biology perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:58 PM
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If he fails to adequately provide for you, you will have the answer to that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:09 PM
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I can guarantee that you expect to be provided for, or else you wouldn't be in a sexual-relationship with a male.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 06:04 PM
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If a female ever views herself as paying time, then she won't stick around. Females expect to be sufficiently provided for, which typically requires having sex with their male partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:48 PM
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The "strategy" as a male is educating yourself on sexual dynamics. FDS doesn't accomplish that (females are comparatively solipsistic and fail to embrace male nature). As a male, you have the ability to embrace female nature and act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:42 PM
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Alright, well you are paying with your time whether or not you enjoy doing so. Some males would rather spend that time elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:38 PM
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Because it enables poor decision-making. Personally, I have a neutral stance. Breeding is disgusting. Abortion is a necessary evil. I neither support nor oppose abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:37 PM
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Males pay for sex in one form or another. Typically males are paying heavily in terms of time while in LTRs (rather than strictly monetarily with prostitution, for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:35 PM
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Generally good advice. I can't change your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 03:49 PM
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What if she was focused on her budding career in her early twenties? Let her focus on her career then. Don't distract her with a relationship. Career-driven females are good at their careers, which is respectable but not ideal for a sexual-relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 03:48 PM
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Worthy of marriage, sure. Actually marrying though... careful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 03:44 PM
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Lying to females is a waste of time and is generally unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:12 AM
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I don't understand what their view is. It looks like a question to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:11 AM
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What about when women force a man to get an erection and rape him? That's obviously not consensual sex. This still relies on his erection, so is this still her submitting to him? Very clearly and obviously not. She's sexually submissive to him. If she wasn't, she wouldn't have done that. There is a huge difference between "not resisting" and "consenting". Did I say there isn't? Humans have sex for pleasure, not just procreation. We all have varying levels of desire and we all have agency over ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 05:14 PM
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But if a male can't get and maintain an erection (possibly due to a lack of sexual interest), then sex isn't happening (feasibly). So he is the dictator. You just keep repeating that the female is sexually submitting herself but you aren't saying how. She isn't sexually resisting the male. It's that simple. There is nothing inherently submissive in two consenting parties having sex. There is. Look to human evolution and other mammalian species if this is a difficult concept to grasp.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 03:31 PM
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So you think the very act of penis in vagina sex is submissive for the person with the vagina? If it's consensual. Putting a penis into your vagina isn't you submitting to sex. The female would have to sexually-submit herself to the male or else she wouldn't be doing that. If both parties consent, it is just "having sex". I'm not disagreeing with that. By submissive, we mean one party taking control (maybe giving directions, maybe pinning your arms, up to more BDSM things like slapping and tying…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 01:04 PM
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What if she initiates? She consents by way of initiating, and then he consents ... Does that mean he's submitting to it? If he's getting an erection and penetrating her, then it's hard for me to argue that he's the one submitting (or the only one submitting). She's initiating sex because she's sexually-submissive to him. consenting to sex does not mean submitting to your sexual partner. The female has to be sexually-submissive in order to consent. If she's resisting the penetration, then it isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:51 PM
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I don't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:24 PM
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Ah, I got it, you think that being penetrated = being submissive. If it was consensual penetration, yes. Having an erection != initiate sex. Did I say having an erection initiates sex? A couple can have sex without penetration. I'm not even going to argue this. There is a difference between discussing previously and putting boundaries and asking for consent during sex. Somehow you're failing to mention when you specifically said "do things to you without asking about them." Some couples use gree…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 12:15 PM
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You can consent and not be submissive. Not for females engaging in sex. Sex includes things other than penetration. I said oral (licking a clit...), which does not involve penetration. You're still using the term "sex" though, which is a semantics battle. A guy getting pleasure is submissive as well in your book, is he? Not if he is using his (erect) penis to have sex... What about gays? Whoever's being anally penetrated is in a submissive situation, assuming you are implying anal. Any consentin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 11:26 AM
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Why? As I have explained multiple times now, if she is resisting (not submitting), then she's definitively being raped. How do you think lesbians have sex? Are you implying that lesbians can have sex? Semantics, no point in arguing. In the case that only one of them is receiving sexual pleasure (dildo, oral), only the receiver has to submit. In the case of both of them receiving sexual pleasure (scissoring, 69, etc.), both of them are submitting to each other. I was talking about consenting sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 10:44 AM
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Men are also guilty of andromorphism, we see all the time here that men expect women to have male standards, male incentives for sex, ect... They clearly haven't swallowed the redpill then. To me, one of this sub's job is also to open women's mind about these differences, and to help them perceive these differences from a neutral point of view, not a judgy "what's different from me is necessarily deviant and immoral". Good luck. Females are considered to be solipsistic for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:56 AM
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You think that consent requires submission. Female consent requires submission. It's the other way around - submission requires consent. Many people would argue against that, including myself. Females can be submissive yet still be raped. The one initiating is expressing their desire to have sex, not who gets physical arousal first. Okay, and even with that logic (which is not in line with evolutionary biology), the male still has to express his desire to have sex and get an erection... For me s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:33 AM
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...your definition is really different from the common one What is the common definition? The one I found is literally the first one after Googling. Women can initiate sex as well, you know. They cannot be the absolute initiator. If she "initiates" sex yet the male does not get an erection (sexual arousal), then sex is not happening (without her raping him, arguably). And consenting doesn't mean being submissive, it's pretty different things. By consenting you express your desire as well. I alre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:18 AM
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And when you have sex, you don't necessarily submit to your partner. The female absolutely has to if the sex is going to be consensual. The male is the initiator of sex because he has to get an erection (be sexually aroused) in order for sex to even occur. If the female is actively resisting his advances (not submitting), then she's being raped. and power to stop it And when she stops the sex she is no longer being sexually-submissive...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:08 AM
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submission: the action or fact of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 07:59 AM
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Being submissive doesn't mean that you just consent. I'm not denying this. Many people would consider certain submissive instances of sex to still be rape. My example. A couple is an LTR, they watch TV. At some moment they begin touching and kissing each other, get undressed, he gives her oral and they have sex with her or him on the top. What is there submissive about it? If she wasn't sexually-submissive to him then she wouldn't have willingly had sex with him. The female in this example is ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 07:50 AM
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You're gonna have to provide examples, because I cannot picture a situation where a female could consent to sex and proceed to not be submissive (as in, she's resisting the sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 07:34 AM
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Do you think that sex is always about submission? Consensual sex is. If a female is resisting the sex then she's being raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 07:07 AM
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If she isn't willing to sexually submit to a male then she isn't going to be having consensual sex with him. Is that so surprising to you that studies are necessary?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 05:06 AM
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Again, I believe you are naive in assuming that the representation on this subreddit is significantly different than in real life. All we can do to argue that is pit anecdotes versus anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 03:29 AM
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This sub in particular attracts misogynists and misandrists. Probably not in any statistically significant difference from real life representation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 03:23 AM
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My point is that you yourself are contesting the "conspiracy theories and emotional abuse tricks," yet are still using this subreddit. I’m not saying these types of guys don’t exist in real life, but they’re always going to be overrepresented in a subreddit that welcomes and encourages that very thing. Or maybe they seem "overrepresented" on an anonymous forum because they would not be outwardly expressing their opinions in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 03:05 AM
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Either way, don’t draw any conclusions about real life from the people in this sub. Using that logic, conclusions about real life shouldn't be drawn from what you're writing because you yourself are a user of this sub. This sub attracts a spectrum of individuals which very well may share some semblance to the distribution of individuals in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 02:48 AM
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Not necessarily, but it is a very important factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 01:01 AM
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Water is wet. This should probably be a PSA to young females though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 07:55 PM
1

I don't recall insulting sluts, nor do I have an issue with them "having fun." I'm saying that sex could be necessary to maintain an important relationship, even if the relationship was never expected (by me) to be sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:26 PM
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The Only reason young women go for older men is money and low disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:22 PM
21

If men want a woman to love them for who he is and not what he can provide He should go find his mother because he isn't going to find that anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:06 PM
1

When did I say I'm against women having casual sex? Sex would only be a tool for a male if she wants it without him having to initiate. It would simply be a means of prolonging a relationship for its non-sexual value (business related, for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:55 PM
1

No hate. Just gotta be realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:48 PM
3

I'm vasectomized, so hopefully kids wouldn't happen. If they had to happen, I would kill myself beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:40 AM
-1

1 because she has the best baseline (and is apparently the second-most attractive). All of her prudery can be manipulated over time, especially since she seems good at following instructions. 3 probably won't even be sticking around for the rest of your life. She is a damaged-goods slut—there's no hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:18 AM
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I've never pursued sex in my life and probably never will. The only sexual experiences I've had have been initiated by the other person (and I've rejected/declined most advances). There's two ways I can personally answer: I've had female friends in the past (no sex involved) and have had no issue with that dynamic. That's basically what OP is describing. I'm probably a psychopath and am willing to use sex as a tool (rather than an end goal) to control a female. There's no reason to go further if…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:51 AM
13

Despite what all the incels say, sex is a need, not some validation bullshit. First time seeing somebody arguing that involuntary celibates don't view sex as a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:05 AM
1

I'm not objectively physically unattractive, but I would accept a sexless relationship with a female.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:42 AM
5

viewed children in that way. It's not viewing children in any particular way, it's facing reality. And to be honest, based on this post, that's something you may be struggling with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:40 AM
2

Agreed. I blame both. If you choose to get married as a male and then suffer the consequences of getting married, that's your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 01:18 AM
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Yup. Becoming angry when learning about female nature will get you nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 11:27 PM
3

Point made. It's in everyone's best interest to find out what "settling down" means to the individual before jumping to conclusions. That being said, if "settling down" pertains to her sexual dynamic, then the male partner is getting the short end of the stick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 11:20 PM
1

but if you're just assuming "settling down" means hopping off the CC, you could easily be writing off the women to whom that definition would literally never occur. I wouldn't even argue that she had to be on the cock carousel in order to "settle down." Maybe her only sexual partner in the past expected her to engage in certain sexual activities, but once she found her new partner for a LTR, she decides to "settle down" and no longer engage in those past activities. Just as the meme portrays, sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 11:07 PM
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"Settling down" could also be considered "settling down" in a sexual manner—no longer sexually-misbehaving and trying to find a feasible partner who will commit. I'm not denying that females can "settle down" into a new lifestyle, but if they're "settling down" into a new sexual dynamic, then that transition inherently involves sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:19 PM
-1

Again, the point is that girls can't "settle down" unless they actually have to "settle down." Virgins don't have to "settle down"—they simply find their first sexual partner to commit to with the expectation of a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:04 PM
1

The point is that it doesn't matter how exaggerated the memes are (if at all, for some individuals)—if a male decides to LTR a female who has had any previous, male sexual partners, he is ending up with the short end of the stick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 09:52 PM
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Yup, many females will say the comic isn't realistic because they only fucked Chad twice rather than four times, only sucked him off twice rather than eight times, and that the bartender (who they only had unprotected PiV with) was only 6'2 rather than 6'4.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 09:26 PM
0

Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 09:20 PM
1

I think focusing on yourself is a good idea. Unless I'm misunderstanding, I'm simply observing that you haven't been focusing on yourself for your entire life, rather, only the past 6 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 09:12 PM
1

It sounds like you've only been focusing on yourself for the past 6 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 09:00 PM
-1

Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:51 PM
1

I'm not ready to settle down and I don't sleep around at all. I'm a young woman in my early twenties. What's your n-count? What's wrong with young women focusing on themselves? Absolutely nothing. But "focusing on yourself" involves not pursuing sexual-relationships with males.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:50 PM
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When they're finally ready at 35 they tend to have more money, which is ideal to females.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 08:40 PM
2

His 401(k).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 07:19 AM
1

Nope, it always has and always will be the case regardless of location.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 12:01 PM
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P.s. This question is directed at MEN and not insecure in-cels that prefer 16yo virgins. Poor incels can't even be classified with the rest of their sex. What about 18 y/o virgins?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:28 AM
2

more collective dominance of male(s)*
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 01:32 AM
3

Yes, a strong disincentive to rape females protected by more dominant males.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 01:30 AM
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Yup, and sometimes they would beat away the approacher before he could have sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 01:28 AM
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If consent isn't needed, it isn't going to be requested. The only thing standing between a male and raping a female (unless she's anomalously skilled at resisting) is another male. If you would like to argue otherwise, you're going to have to type more.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 01:18 AM
-1

Desperate males will provide for single mothers in exchange for sex. Less desperate males will fuck single mothers (depending on how hot they are), but probably won't stick around long.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 01:14 AM
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Arguably a vast majority of sex occurring in evolutionary history would be considered rape from a modern perspective. A male approaches a female for sex and she either submits or resists (or a more alpha male comes and beats the approacher away). Even within recorded history, females were still subjected to strong societal expectations (arranged/societally-expected marriage while virginal) despite some level of choice available.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 01:06 AM
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I'll keep that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 01:01 AM
1

Implciitly ending things is, basically, ghosting. It happens sometimes these days. Doesn't sound like an ideal situation. You don't seem to have the most effective mindset for a more permanent or serious arrangement. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 12:47 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ivw00o/repost_it_is_dangerous_to_be_in_the_provider_role/g5uhbyp/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 12:35 AM
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Women generally don't find men exceptional unless they approach the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 12:28 AM
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Only within the past handful of decades of human existence have females ever truly had the freedom to choose their sexual partners. The vast course of human evolution did not involve females approaching males for sex. Modern social conditioning is causing males to not approach females, not the other way around. Some females do approach—but they are not likely to approach males outside of an exclusive percentile.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 12:23 AM
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Many young males don't and end up in pretty shitty situations later on in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:43 PM
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At least you're educating yourself early.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:14 PM
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It seemed stupidly genuine to me, but since I can't read the post anymore I'm not gonna argue otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:07 PM
2

Which one? I've seen a lot of controversial threads here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:04 PM
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It wasn't even a rant, just a shitstorm starter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:02 PM
2

But since we're at it, why not also put a system that displays the earnings of every male (with a earnings to spending ratio with full breakdown of where that spending goes), as well as his current savings and his 401k, so that females could make an informed choice on which potential suiters would be the best fit for the lifestyle they could expect in a relationship. Not a bad idea, honestly. It would save people a lot of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 10:59 PM
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Not practical and too spiteful. It would also remove the thrill of researching and digging through her past to find out if she's a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 10:57 PM
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They want a wife, a midlife crisis car, a picket fence and most times kids. I don't want any of these, but would have no issue being a provider to a harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 10:26 PM
1

I wouldn't want to establish that type of dynamic, or even have it implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 10:16 PM
1

Again, you keep using the word "cheating," and it isn't relevant to the situation. She can't "cheat" if there were never any rules against her having sex with others in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 10:05 PM
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If you mean "putting up" with her talking to somebody else; I would put up with that and would not get involved. Focusing on the concept of "cheating" is pointless. If she wants to have sex with somebody else, then she can. You just won't be providing for her afterward.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:46 PM
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For many, the time they spend "getting ready to go out" is not actually improving their appearance, despite what they may think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:40 PM
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The effort required for them is pretty low, so I suppose the effort you put in is very low.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:24 PM
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True, but the strategy I described would not involve "giving her shit" at all, and simply "talking to x dude" would not be an issue unless she makes sexual contact. All you would be doing at that point is simply cutting her off without "giving her shit."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:16 PM
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I would argue that mate-guarding involves explicitly staving off the advances of other males.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:05 PM
2

Too busy to work on/maintain your appearance?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:00 PM
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Hypergamy terrifies men because it exposes their inherent replaceability. Men would rather stay in a shit relationship and cheat than leave because they’re so afraid of being alone. Agreed. Learning more about female hypergamy made me critically think about the types of situations I'd willingly put myself in. In b4 “but women leave for no reason !!1!!!” Yeah ever wonder if your nag of a wife was actually warning you over and over and over again was trying to save you from getting dumped? Oh neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 08:36 PM
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Yes, normally that's the arrangement. Monogamy is a social norm now. I can further clarify that by "girlfriend" I mean the common sense of the term- "a woman with whom you have an explicitly exclusive sexual relationship." Fair enough. Personally, I'm not willing to put 100% confidence in a "girlfriend" not having sex with other males, but to each their own. The vast majority of women (girls should not be having sex) do part ways fully, explicitly or implicitly, when they decide to have sex with…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 08:15 PM
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If you don't want a woman to have sex with other men, then make her your girlfriend. Are you implying that by making her your girlfriend she won't have sex with other males? Every woman knows that, if she and you part ways, she can do what she wants. Are you implying that all females explicitly "part ways" before having sex with other males? Once again, unless you're trying to have a harem to feed your narcissism. Are you implying that what I said can only be applied to having a harem?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 07:43 PM
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And in order to be bred, the male actually has to impregnate the female. If the female was expecting to be impregnated from a sexual encounter, she actually has to be impregnated in order to have gotten what she was expecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 07:22 PM
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And in order to be bred, the male actually has to impregnate the female. He is providing her with sperm for offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:54 PM
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However, there are a small percentage of men whom women find purely sexually attractive and they will seek those men out for sex without demanding (or even requesting) any form of provision in exchange. And with a grasp of evolutionary biology you would understand that the sexual attractiveness of a male is strongly correlated with his perceived ability to provide, which is why females tend to (innately) submit to them with ease. That does not mean that those males will ever adequately provide f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:49 PM
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I can attempt to connect it for you if you're able to be a lot more specific about the dynamics in those particular examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:38 PM
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NSA is definitely a thing. Or hell even girls who will pay for a broke guy Feel free to go through and critically think about all of the inherent factors involved in these types of scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:33 PM
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Yup, but they're still inherently expecting to be provided for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:32 PM
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You can be controlling as a male without ever explicitly mate-guarding. Establishing that she can fuck whoever she pleases at the expense of you completely cutting her off is more alpha than actually trying to outright contest other males because it exposes her inherent replaceability.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:25 PM
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you are talking about providing sexual pleasure as a resource if I’m correct. No. Providing anything beyond sexual pleasure. At the most rudimentary level, that could be as simple as emotional validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:20 PM
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Females are solipsistic in nature and do not tend to care much about their potential providers beyond what they are able to provide. If you'd like me to stop explaining to you how females function, I'm more than willing to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 05:41 PM
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If a female wants a dildo, she will use one (without the inherent risks associated with having sex). Females only put out (sexually-submit) to males who they view as being potential providers. This is innate, and is not the case for males.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 05:31 PM
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Quote it as a response so I know what I'm trying to contest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 05:19 PM
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It's always the case and applies to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 05:12 PM
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Her "casual sexual partners" are her sexual failures (regardless of whether she's willing to admit it). In other words, she had sex with them but failed to bag them as consistent providers. If a male wants to develop a sexual-relationship with a female, he has to provide for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 05:09 PM
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Sluts are n>1. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 03:48 PM
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More, frankly. Everything females should do, males should do as well. When it comes to maintaining physique, all females have to do is not be fat and employ moderate resistance training, whereas males actually have to make significant hypertrophic gains and maintain them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 03:37 PM
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You've put more pragmatic thought into marriage than most people do in America. It isn't surprising that so many sexual-relationships end in failure (in America).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 07:42 AM
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Females will share their anecdotal experiences and I've never actually read into nerve distribution throughout the length of the cavity (and I would be surprised how accurately any study has ever quantified that, if ever). Even if there are less nerves further in, that doesn't mean there is a reason to not physically stimulate them. More length also allows for more fluid strokes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 05:18 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 05:12 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:41 AM
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Women liked to get fucked, to get FUCKED. Cuz it feels good. I never said that they don't receive stimulation. What I did say is that stimulation is never their sole purpose for having sex. haven't experienced the reality of women getting fucked by guys where it is clear they aren't looking or hoping for anything you are talking about. They are. Even if they have low expectations—at the most rudimentary level, they can be attempting to gain emotional validation and/or spite/leverage with another…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:51 AM
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Women get fucked by broke losers all the time. Dudes whom they knew had nothing to provide. For emotional and non-financial physical support and/or the chance that he pulls together and starts providing income. Also, some females are desperate and/or can't be very picky. sometimes women desire a fucking A fucking that has the prospect (even if small) of her being provided for. Copy-pasted from yet another thread: Females will not have sex with Chad if she knows he will be Thanos-snapped out of e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:26 AM
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These studies/excerpts may as well just be put on the sidebar here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 01:15 AM
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Copy-pasted from another thread: The truth is that females aren't pursuing casual sex; they're pursuing a provider. But when they put out and don't receive what they were looking for—a provider—they may describe their sexual failure as being "casual sex" rather than admitting that they naively chased a dead-end male who had very little likelihood of adequately providing for them. There's a reason females aren't having "casual sex" with their beta provider. Females don't pursue sex for the sole p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 01:11 AM
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Not enough to matter. Even females on contraceptive prefer alpha qualities. The spike in systemic estogen/progestin to simulated early pregnancy levels will affect mood though (less sex drive, more needy for a constant provider). If you want your female (during the turn you have with her) to stay horny and as fun as possible, get vasectomized.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 01:04 AM
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So they pursue attractive men because they think attractiveness is equal to being a good long term partner that can take care of them? You mentioned evolution and physical qualities. What traits exactly matter in that case then? In an evolutionary context females very rarely "pursue" males. A male approaches a female with an erection, and she either submits or resists. Females are more likely to submit to healthy, dimorphic-appearing males because they are: Harder to actually resist without her …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:16 PM
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Not the OED (and thus neither particularly definitive nor particularly comprehensive in historical usage), and Please provide the OED. It seems to be locked behind a paywall for me. Note the first definition of man: adult human male. Gender has always been any additional distinction relative to the sex of an organism. By your own concession, "man" and "woman" commonly pertain to "having reached maturity," which is gender-specific (an additional distinction relative to an individual's sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 10:42 PM
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If that was the case women would only have sex once they are ready to start a family. The reality is that they start while they are teenagers. Females start having sex when they're desperate enough for physical and/or emotional support from a male (earlier than later when they don't have a good father providing those qualities). Just because she's desperate for support does not mean she's immediately planning on "starting a family." Females will bed Chad because he makes them feel powerful and C…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 10:39 PM
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Women can have sex with men for the pure sake of having sex with men. No, females have sex with the expectation (even if incredibly unlikely) of being provided for by that male. Females will not have sex with Chad if she knows he will be Thanos-snapped out of existence immediately after he cums.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 10:27 PM
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Definition of exploit: make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource). If she isn't exploiting you, she isn't consensually having sex with you (unless you manage to trick her expectations—pump and dump).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 10:20 PM
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Isn’t that true about any interpersonal relationship? Yes Is it possible to be 100% compatible with any other person? No Males are far more likely to admit that they had to keep their standards reasonable in order to find their LTR. Females will tend to project that their LTR is a "HVM," when in reality he's simply the highest-value she could obtain (solipsistic thought).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 09:58 PM
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A unicorn Any female claiming that they've found a "high value male" is simply defending the provider they've become attached to. All males have unfavorable caveats to females, with or without her realizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 09:51 PM
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https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/man_1 https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/male_1 https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/gender https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/sex_1
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 09:34 PM
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Humans are inherently polygynous in nature, but are not strictly polygynous due to our ability of foresight. I'm not arguing against the contents of your post though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 08:57 PM
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The idea that man/woman reflect gender which is distinct from sex is a relatively new one created by the loud radicals whom you are appeasing. No, that's always been the case. Sex has always been a binary distinction relative to the presence of a Y chromosome. Gender has always been any additional distinction relative to the sex of an organism. By your own concession, "man" and "woman" commonly pertain to "having reached maturity," which is gender-specific (an additional distinction relative to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 07:56 PM
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I'm not trying to deny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 07:46 PM
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"Man" and "woman" have never been strictly sex-oriented terms, even well into the past (before "loud radicals"). They have always been gender-oriented. Even regarding species with species-specific sex-related terms (buck vs doe, rooster vs hen), "male" and "female" are the expected terms (in terms of adhering to standard) in a legitimate publishing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 07:35 PM
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This has nothing to do with appeasing anyone; it's a matter of consistency. The terms "male" and "female" are inherently strict to sex, regardless of species.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 07:25 PM
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Feel free to go out into the real world and see for yourself. I'll continue using terms that actually have an arguable scientific basis in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 07:16 PM
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Just like OP thinks 30+ males dating younger females is creepy. You either care or you don't. The law is the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 06:54 PM
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Having worked in academia, I can assure you that people care; at least in the sense that they are expected to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 06:42 PM
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The term "adult" is an arbitrary designation. Except it isn't from a legal perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 06:33 PM
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It isn't just a few loud radicals; it's the standard of political correctness now. Rather than fighting for a lost cause, it always has been correct to use "male" and "female" when discussing sex. "Man" and "woman" have become arbitrary gender terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 06:22 PM
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In the year 2020, those terms have essentially lost their meaning. Even with the species clarified, I still use "male and female subjects," and would encourage any legitimate publisher to do the same (assuming the goal is to clarify the sex of the species).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 06:12 PM
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Any legitimate study should be using "males" and "females."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 05:52 PM
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In most countries I know of they're adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 05:41 PM
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I'm 25 and would go down all 7 years possible, FWIW.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 05:38 PM
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Younger women have noticed the cultural change, and have adjusted their natural behavior (of going for older guys with more resources) because of it. And the cultural change is that females are waiting until their late-20s, on average, to secure a life partner and are finding it increasingly difficult to do so (especially once they push into their 30s). There's a reason "where have all the good men gone" trope exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 05:30 PM
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Reaching his 30s doesn't make a man more valuable, only more "exploitable" "Exploitable" is "valuable" to females, otherwise she's just getting pumped and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 05:22 PM
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I'm 25, finished with university, and females my age are starting to be too old. By early-20s, most females are either committed to LTRs or sluts. I would have no inhibition being with an 18 y/o. Anyone projecting about "creepiness" past the age of consent is doing exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 05:18 PM
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Are you talking about the relationships of 19 year olds or something? In marriage, a woman provides far more than sex. I'm speaking from an evolutionary perspective, regardless of age. Sexual-relationships do not function if the male is not providing support and/or the female is not providing sex. That is the essential exchange in a sexual-relationship. Yes, for a period of time before they get into their next LTR. That's what all single people do. Speak for yourself. Some individuals go from on…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:49 AM
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The truth is that females aren't pursuing casual sex; they're pursuing a provider. But when they put out and don't receive what they were looking for—a provider—they may describe their sexual failure as being "casual sex" rather than admitting that they naively chased a dead-end male who had very little likelihood of adequately providing for them. There's a reason females aren't having "casual sex" with their beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:26 AM
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Okay, so you agree that both partners have to be constantly providing for a relationship to be successful then? Yes. Males provide support while females provide sex. How many Chads do you know? They all go in on and out of LTRs like everyone else IME. They just have the possibility of more casual sex partners between relationships. I'm not going to quantify around the arbitrary term "Chad," but I have known a number of males who have no problem frequently pumping and dumping/spinning plates simp…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:09 AM
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What does providing mean exactly? I mean, be real. The woman is often providing sex, emotional support, organising the house, primarily looking after kids, etc. You can spin any story with language; I can just as easily say that women have to constantly and unequivocally provide for their husbands. Males provide the female with physical and emotional support. Not really.. even Chad falls in love and breakups suck. Chad doesn't need to fall in love with a single female, and during his prime, he t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 10:54 AM
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Offspring don't have to die if they never exist. I wish my slut mother had never reproduced. Who knows, maybe your future offspring will feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:57 AM
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Suffering is inherent with life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:48 AM
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Consider adoption if your motherly urges are strong. Why would you want to be responsible for the creation of human and human-inflicted suffering?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:40 AM
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Female virgins of legal age essentially do not exist and those that do are religious extremists that you wouldn't want to be within 100 miles of. The odds are certainly slim, but if it takes going as close to 18 as possible to succeed, so be it. If you want to marry a STD ridden hoe who only wants you for your money and will make your life a living hell, be my guest. I'll stay free. Nope, no thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:35 AM
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After my children are born Gross
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:25 AM
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I'm vasectomized, so even virgins don't have to worry about my genetics. Not even sluts are as disgusting as breeding.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:23 AM
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Speak for yourself. I'd rather just cum into a tissue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:07 AM
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This is needlessly hyperbolic, unless you have absolutely zero interest in having a relationship with a female. Virginal females do exist—you just have to dedicate a lot of time toward finding them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:46 AM
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And most are initiated by women! I used to think that was the case because mEn aRe tRaSh, abusive, etc, and women are finally leaving because divorce is not stigmatized anymore. For some time though, I started to realize that lots of women are, in fact, delusional, hypergamous, unfaithful and see men as disposable. Yes, most divorces are female-initiated. Both of those situations are factors. Abusive males are certainly not a rare anomaly. Females enter poor sexual-relationships due to their des…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:37 AM
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He can pull off hooking up with women who are better looking than me. He is tall, good looking and when he is not anxious he is very charismatic, the life of the party. Fair enough. If he isn't actually sexually-desperate, he could be naive. Furthermore, consider that any of those females he could "hook up" with could have a worse sexual past than you. My sex driver is higher than his. If you're suggesting that he has a comparatively low sex drive (as in, lower than a female's), then that's an (…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:23 AM
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when we met he was on anxiety meds, had no college degree and earned minimum wage. Sexual desperation. Do you believe a male with those kind of conditions has many sexual-relationship options? He couldn't exactly be picky for a virginal princess as an anxiety-ridden, low-status male. we never cheated If he's not cheating on you it's because he recognizes that doing so wouldn't be sexually-efficient. Throwing away a consistent sexual option just to fuck an extremely desperate (provided his own co…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 05:57 AM
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Always. Some men simply don't care, especially if the past is far away in time and space, or if they have some equally shady shit in their past too. Pick one or more of the options. My point is that women should stick to those men who don't care instead of trying to beg or force most of them to eMpAtHiZe with us poor women who are tempted by the evil society. Sluts can only "stick to men" who meet at least one of those options. However, in the case of the 3rd option, the male probably won't be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 05:17 AM
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I'd say lots of men are quite forgiving of high body counts IF certain conditions are met. Pick one or more: Sexual desperation Naivety They aren't actually going to commit to a LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 05:03 AM
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Women are marrying men they’re attracted to and love. In order for the marriage to actually last, the male has to be constantly and unequivocally providing for her. Marriage is not a pump and dump contract. The whole concept of AF/BB is that the female has to settle for a beta provider if the marriage is actually going to work out. No, the sex stopped for completely other reasons, it can stop even for Chads. Sex doesn't "stop" for Chads because they can just move on and find a new female.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 03:28 AM
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A male who is "weirded" out by a female's virginity is being incredibly naive (assuming they're actually looking for a long-term partner).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:21 AM
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Fair enough. I believe the point of the parent commenter is that males should learn how to respond to female tendencies in contemporary society. Traditional sexual dynamics are less applicable because females now have full sexual mobility with minimal societal restraint.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:10 AM
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I'm certainly not denying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:04 AM
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I would posit that women "respond" moreso because women are feminine. That's a feninine thing. Even if that is true biologically, societally speaking, times have changed. Good luck being a schoolteacher in 2020 and explaining to young girls that "it's feminine to respond to men." Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 01:50 AM
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because they can’t even be that dude anyway. Many can. It just depends on if they're willing to devote their life providing for her once she's older and "ready" to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 01:43 AM
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Female strangers (such as a girl you just meet in at a bar or party) Sometimes Male strangers Rarely Female friends Sometimes Male friends Rarely Women you're sleeping with/dating. N/A
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 10:56 PM
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Maybe, but you have to realize that this is something you have to embrace on your own, with or without a therapist. Your therapist cannot be the one thinking for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 01:37 PM
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Then either don't exhibit that type of behavior or simply embrace female nature so you don't need to think that way. Again, consult the analogy I provided. You would only be wasting time and energy getting upset over factors that you cannot control.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 01:33 PM
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Also, don't worry about being "deemed an incel." You're either involuntarily celibate or not—that isn't up to the discretion of others to decide.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 01:30 PM
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When I see attractive woman say out at the mall or something I get angry. I'll talk shit in my head about them. I just get mad
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 01:26 PM
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Embracing female nature doesn't have to make you angry. Would you be upset if you tried feeding a cat carrots and it refused to eat them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 01:24 PM
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I don't know what that term means, even after trying to look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 04:22 AM
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He was physically-lacking and mentally ill. His standards had little to do with his situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 03:41 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/gbzvnq/a_post_made_by_elliot_rodger_on_bodybuildingcom/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 03:27 AM
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Mentally speaking, females develop rapidly, comparatively, until around the age of 15 due to the biological pressure to begin breeding around that age. Their prefrontal cortex may finish developing in their early-to-mid-twenties, but the changes from 15 up until then are comparatively insignificant. Male development prioritizes accrual of mass (height, bone/muscle, etc.) in order for the male to stay physically competitive with other, developed males. Their brain development lags behind females'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 07:45 AM
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There isn't a true equivalent. This strategy works for males because it portrays him as an alpha male with higher social status (which females are naturally drawn toward, in groups).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 07:32 AM
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Because there's no definitive cap on female hypergamy. Having options/sexual mobility involves having more failures in the pursuit of finding a satisfactory provider. Sexual failures (not achieving what was expected from a male) harbors resentment and dissatisfaction in a cumulative manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 04:05 AM
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Males inherently have to work on improving their SMV (appearance and status) if they want to "reap the rewards." You can either view this as motivating or demotivating, but that's the reality of how males function in the sexual landscape. Females do not exist to supply males with free sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 05:53 AM
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I would suggest reading into Bateman's principle. Found in 30 seconds. I have not read it though. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3096780/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 02:08 AM
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In order for a male to propagate, he has to fertilize a female. If that does not occur, then his genes serve no relevancy in terms of evolution because he never reproduces (a fitness index of 0). A male cannot fertilize a female if she has already been fertilized by another male. And if he wastes resources and time providing for another male's offspring without realizing (while the female is pregnant, or sometimes even after birth), then he has hurt his overall fitness. What I do know is that no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 10:34 PM
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And by "small-ish," most of those females are not suggesting a 5'3 (average female height) male with child-bearing hips and man boobs. Even attractive yet androgynous males are still exhibiting preferable masculine characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 10:17 PM
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Yes, assuming the expectation is to have sex with her. But I don't have to get to know females for the purpose of having sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 08:44 PM
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I'd get to know her (especially because she would seem sexually-secure), but I'm not interested in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 08:30 PM
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If you want to crank up height to their respective facial percentile then we can go with 6'5+. At some point, height tends to have diminishing returns. I agree that angling tricks occur, but many of these guys are still exposed on stage/in paparazzi shots. Many also associate with females taller than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 08:15 PM
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More femininity in certain features (eyes, nose, mouth, hair) can still be sexually attractive. Points of femininity that tend to not be attractive: Shorter height Higher body fat %/low muscle mass Less facial bone mass Wide hips Gynecomastia
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 08:09 PM
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Not conveniently available. But I can search for some if you'd like. (That males have an innate preference for less sexual females) That isn't what I said: Males have an innate preference to provide for (not simply have sex with) less sexually-promiscuous females. The key difference being "providing for." Males are more likely to provide for females they identify as being less sexually promiscuous because those females are statistically more likely to breed the male's own offspring (rather than …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 07:58 PM
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Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 07:52 PM
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I'd argue that many females are mature before that even happens, and some never have to go through that experience because they make wise decisions from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 07:51 PM
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As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread: Males have an innate preference to provide for (not simply have sex with) less sexually-promiscuous females. This is as much of an innate preference as females have for associating with taller males. All standards/preferences for sexual partners can be traced down to male/female biological imperatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 05:30 AM
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If females are actually expecting to have a life partner, they should be expecting their first partner to be just that. Inherently, the more failures they have, the worse their current situation becomes. The females who actually succeed at finding a life partner tend to be the ones who are, not just "picky" (not necessarily about their prospective husband's SMV, but their own inhibition to immediately put out), but also understanding of their actual worth. Females with over-inflated self worth a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 04:49 AM
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You can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 03:31 AM
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Males have an innate preference to provide for (not simply have sex with) less sexually-promiscuous females. This is as much of an innate preference as females have for associating with taller males. You have hate for women who sleep with lots of guys, especially if they end up marrying a handsome tall rich perfect man in the end. She won't, inherently. There will always be caveats to a female's increased sexual promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 03:28 AM
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Nope. And even with a time machine, humans still probably couldn't have significantly changed their vertical growth. A male could have stuck his penis in a blender in the past due to his own poor decision. Now in the future he struggles to find sexual success because he doesn't have a penis. Poor decisions in the past can lead to poor situations in the future. That's how life works.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 03:04 AM
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She can no more change her past than he can change his height. Failing to grow taller tends to not be a choice. Engaging in sex tends to be a choice (hopefully). Both males and females tend to prefer a relationship partner who has a history of responsible decision-making.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 02:19 AM
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Some men prefer women with experience. For the sake of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 02:16 AM
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If a woman has a sexual preference for height, she has every right to that preference. Is a female saying that she will only have sex with a male who is at least 6 feet tall a sexual preference or a standard... or possibly both? When it comes to sexual preference you can't be hypocritical because it's outside of your control. Can virginity/sexual promiscuity not be a sexual preference? Is a male saying that he will only have sex with a female who is a virgin a sexual preference or a standard... …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 02:08 AM
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How much wiggle room is there for outrageousness?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 01:38 AM
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Is that clear enough for everyone? Just to be clear, you are implying that a female should not hold these types of standards for males that they themselves do not meet (regarding sexual relationships)? Height Net Worth Or are you saying that those factors cannot be involved in set "standards" because they are not behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 01:21 AM
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All I could really do to convince you otherwise would be through specific examples. The best counterpoint would be to consider whether around average height or lower males with attractive faces (James Dean, Zac Efron, Leonard Whiting, Justin Bieber, Zayn Malik, etc.) would have ended up in their respective positions if they were ~6'1-6'2 with average faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:50 AM
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Are you implying that it's hypocritical for a female to set a dealbreaker on a male's salary when hers is lower? (I was not consistent with your terminology when I asked the previous question, therefore I'm rewording it)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:39 AM
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Good point. I was not consistent with the comparison they used.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:37 AM
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But you do have an issue with others having unequal sexual experience preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:36 AM
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I wasn't asking about your personal situation, I was wondering if you had an issue with others having unequal income preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:20 AM
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Are you implying that it's unfair for a female to set a dealbreaker on a male's salary when hers is lower?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 12:01 AM
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Would you have an issue with a male wanting a partner with a lower net worth? Or perhaps a female wanting a partner with a higher net worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 11:55 PM
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Are you implying that females "build up maturity" by having sexual experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 11:19 PM
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It establishes why face is more significant than height when it comes to SMV, which you don't seem to be outright denying after that example. You're trying to argue that if you take a group of average-faced males, then the tallest one will have the highest SMV, which is obviously true because faces are kept consistent. Top 10% face + Average height > Average face + Top 10% height
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 10:00 PM
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I'd predict that the general consensus would be no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 08:18 PM
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Except the point of comparison was to somebody who has no legs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 04:24 PM
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I got that realization early in life due to my narcissistic mother, which set me up in advance to not expect it from other females, conveniently.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 05:56 AM
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A tall, facially handsome soldier goes to war. Either one of two outcomes occur: The soldier takes a brief flamethrower stream to the face. His entire head is left horribly disfigured (burn victim with no hair), but he manages to recover and survive without any damage to the rest of his body. The soldier steps on a landmine which blows both of his legs clean off. His genitals are luckily unscathed, as is the rest of his body. He recovers and survives. Technology does not yet exist to give him go…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 05:51 AM
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You're assuming that the average male is as equally represented as the average female in that survey. Maybe only the top 60% of males were actually involved in those answers because the bottom 40% don't date at all due to a general lack of sexual success with females, whereas the top 80% of females are involved in dating (and responded to the survey representationally).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 02:31 AM
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You made a typo. I didn't understand what you were trying to say at first. "Top tier" males have uncommitted sex with a multitude of females because they can. So yes, that leaves the rest of males as either: Involuntary celibates (not necessarily exclusively virgins—many elderly males are incel despite not being virgins) In a more committed type of relationship model
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 02:23 AM
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That's a logical strategy, but many females inherently don't realize what's happening until it's too late for them to make that decision on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 02:16 AM
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For the vast majority of men there is sex that they can get for near free (not paying by the hour and no commitment). I disagree with it being "near free." The majority of males have to dedicate a substantial amount of time in order to achieve one sexual experience (assuming they are not paying for prostitution up front). Look into the success rates of average males on Tinder (even with indiscriminate swiping). I have no statistics on hand to back this up, but I would not be surprised if the ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 01:54 AM
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So most men or either virgins or only had sex with their wives? What? Ok, I guess prostitution did exist, but it also exists now. Men in the present have more uncommitted sex available, not less. Assuming this is true, it could be argued that this is due to females no longer being "locked" into societally-expected marriages at a young age. While the modern average age of female virginity loss is ~17 (probably not much different than in the past—no more than a few years of age higher depending on…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 01:48 AM
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Males tend to have no objection to fucking sluts for the purpose of simply fucking (because that is their biological imperative). The point is that if a male is going to go above and beyond his immediate biological imperative (having sex) by providing for the female afterward (rather than simply moving on to a new female, as alpha males tend to do), he is statistically more likely to choose a less promiscuous female (ideally a virgin) rather than a slut. Beta males simply do not have the option …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 01:38 AM
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Involuntary celibates are involuntarily celibate for a reason (comparatively low SMV). Although I'm not sure what you're responding to with that sentence. I'm not disagreeing that average people of both sexes have high demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 01:24 AM
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It used to be that to stand a chance you had to be top tier or get married. This is still predominantly the case for males... The average man can sleep around if he lowers his standards enough (he will not get an average woman, he will get an average of the women who sleep around). This was still the case in the past. Depending on how far you want to go back, "women who sleep around" were formally referred to as "whores." Having uncommitted sex is no longer anything to brag about because it is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 01:23 AM
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For some females, feminine-features are the best they can get (all things considered) before even "hitting the wall."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 12:31 AM
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Yes, essentially. Female mammals have no innate "urge" to reproduce—reproduction inherently occurs as a result of other innate processes. A male (innately) has sex with her while she is fertile. Once she is inevitably impregnated, she has a biological imperative to survive the pregnancy and birth/raise her offspring. Human females have the ability of foresight (which other mammals lack), allowing them to recognize the consequences of sex and determine whether they actually "want" offspring. Howe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 12:28 AM
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/u/AlternativeFutures provided another reason that I didn't include in my previous comment. "Love" is an arbitrary concept that can be explained, scientifically, if necessary. A male (mammalian in general) has an innate urge to insert his erect penis into fertile females' vaginas (this is not a learned action). Sometimes the male will stick around if he views the female as his most feasible (or only) sexual option. However, Bateman's principle would suggest that if the male has other feasible se…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 11:59 PM
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I'm certainly not one to make blanket statements like that. Some females (particularly sluts) live miserable lives because they spend their whole life chasing physical and emotional support from males that they never actually achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 11:32 PM
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Great question. I personally wouldn't. But some males marry females when they deem marriage to be the most efficient/feasible method of consistently obtaining sex with females (specifically one female, in that case). Some males also believe that marriage is a feasible means of "locking down" a female (it isn't) in order to identify and subsequently raise their offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 11:28 PM
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Males require sex from females. They provide physical and/or emotion support to obtain it, consensually. Males don't receive emotional support (particularly unconditional love) from any female but their mother (sometimes).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 11:22 PM
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If that were true then modern females would be voluntarily celibate their entire lives. The fact of the matter is that even top-earning, modern females still get squeezed for emotional support, and will commonly pursue male(s) who can provide that (typically males further down on the beta end of the spectrum, especially if the female is older).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 11:15 PM
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Obvious AF/BB. Females don't even necessarily get the privilege of "preferring" features for their husband (they can, but that doesn't mean their actual husband will end up that way) because they have to take whoever's actually willing to adequately provide for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 11:03 PM
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Yup, sometimes objectively attractive males decide to LTR. Who do you think they tend to choose as their partner when they settle down; a slut or a less sexually promiscuous female?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 10:45 PM
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Index of male Sexual Market Value: Face (head) > Height > Frame (body) *Genitalia Societal Status *Genitalia (penis size) theoretically falls somewhere into the hierarchy but in practicality does not matter until sex is already achieved.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 10:20 PM
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However attractiveness not nessesary lead to high n Unless those males are raping females, they have to attract them somehow in order to achieve sex... some men choose to have ltr instead. Yes, and those tend to be the males who cannot efficiently attract many females and have to commit to providing for a single female in order to achieve sex. Some are just good at talks and manipulations. Factors that can make a male attractive to females...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 10:07 PM
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It doesn't matter what's the reason of their univolment into relationships. Women still should avoid them. The reason tends to be that the male has high SMV. Females tend to be unable to (innately) sexually avoid males with high SMV, which is why those males end up with many sexual experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 09:57 PM
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Having excessive conquests USED TO indicate that a man was high status because he could convince enough women to take the risk of sleeping with him. Males having high status tends to lead to them having excessive sexual conquests because they can (due to their high status). This has not changed with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 09:55 PM
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Promiscuous men are not desirable for women who are looking for healthy relationships. Relationships are not always necessary for males to fulfill their biological imperative (having sex with females). Promiscuous males are not involved in healthy relationships (due to their promiscuity) because they don't need to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 09:50 PM
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Just, the laws of physics that dictate that screaming into the abyss that you deserve a virgin/6 figure man will not materialize one for you. Throughout history, virginal females have not been an expectation for males to fulfill their biological imperative (having sex with females). Female virginity is a concept that entices males to provide for a particular female (rather than simply having sex with them), arguably in the female's benefit (their biological imperative to survive the inevitable p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 09:43 PM
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Male mentality hasn't changed in 6000 years and it's not going to anytime soon. Evolution tends to be... slow. Humans (regardless of sex) have remained relatively genomically consistent for a lot longer than 6,000 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 09:37 PM
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Then your subreddit flair conflicts with your thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 08:04 PM
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Males provide for females in order to obtain consensual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 07:57 PM
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I never explicitly said anything about oppression. Females within Mormon communities (or Mormon-predominant regions) will tend to submit to limited sexual mobility and will act (or submit) accordingly. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the points you made, but the statement "Inherently, if a female has the decision, she will not choose to settle with a male who is also providing for other females." trumps the other "benefits" listed, from a female's perspective—assuming the female is not with…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 07:39 PM
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mormons in USA for exemple You are reinforcing what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 07:17 PM
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You ought to reread my comment, because what you're saying is reinforcing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 07:14 PM
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Specifically share your experience(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 06:50 PM
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True polygyny (marriage-bound) does not realistically exist outside of regions and/or (religious) communities where females have limited sexual mobility. Inherently, if a female has the decision, she will not choose to settle with a male who is also providing for other females.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 06:49 PM
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Even in the anamolous event the female permits the male to have sex with other females (at her own discretion), she is still likely to expect her partner to continue with their exclusive sexual dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 04:21 PM
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Males inherently do not sexually settle with a single female unless they perceive doing so to be necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 04:13 PM
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Don't base your life off your parents. It's your life, it's your choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 03:40 PM
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The female you settle down with will expect that. So don't settle down if you're not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 03:33 PM
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Yes. Not all of them can immediately achieve sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 01:16 AM
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Porn is mostly just a coping mechanism for males who cannot immediately achieve sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 10:21 PM
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Generally speaking, males tend to lose friends due to LTRs because their female partners expect greater dedication of their time which was previously spent with friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 08:39 PM
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Anyone with a shred of common knowledge understands that males are statistically more likely to commit violent crime than females. I don't really understand the argument being made here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 08:35 PM
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Yes, assuming he has no other way of knowing his wife's n-count (her telling him herself without being asked, for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 07:44 PM
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I've read through the post multiple times now and am not finding any false comparisons.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 04:53 PM
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Considering that many circumcised males would rather not have been circumcised, I would argue that this topic is not simply a competition point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 04:49 PM
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First of all, I was responding to the OP who drew a false comparison of male vs female circumcision Did they?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 04:33 PM
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In your personal experience were most of the males you dated not suitable for marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:17 PM
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Or are you saying most men naturally have no desire for relationships? I would think it's fair to say that many males are not interested in committed sexual-relationships. Innately speaking, Bateman's principle would support that. They do if they find them attractive. They’ll think maybe they need to get the guy to warm up to them or stop being nervous and shy. They don’t stick around for very long if the guy continues to be this way though. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:13 PM
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You didn't address my question. I asked about the term you used; "regular men." It’s a simple fact that there are plenty of attractive non desperate men who don’t care about n counts and will date women who aren’t low n. Date, commit to, marry. Why do you keep defaulting to the word "date?" If the end goal (or expectation) is marriage, why not immediately specify marriage? Why would the focus be on "dateable men" rather than "marryable men?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 02:00 PM
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Clearly a male would not be good at relationships if he has very little desire to provide female(s) with support. You frame this as if it’s an active choice and not a matter incompetence, incompatibility or inexperience Females tend to not engage in relationships with males who they view as incompetent, incompatible, and/or inexperienced to begin with. Are you suggesting that they would?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 01:49 PM
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You can't imagine someone moving away for school or their job or to care for an aged parent? I absolutely can. If the female makes the decision to go in those directions, the male has the option to follow. If the male does not follow, it's because he does not care enough about the female. Oh, you're playing a neat trick here--you can count it as "she's not suitable for an LTR" if SHE doesn't want kids and he does, but if HE doesn't want kids and she does, then "providing support blah blah blah"-…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 09:21 AM
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I love how you assume that all men are good at being partners I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. I absolutely do not agree with that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 09:13 AM
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I'm well aware that "many men are desperate, and just take whatever they can get." However, claiming that what I wrote was "false" was a result of their poor reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 06:10 AM
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It's males' biological imperative, to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 05:14 AM
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I don't know why a woman or how a woman is supposed to accentuate my life. I mean what do I really gain? sex
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 05:09 AM
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What does “not likely” mean that doesn’t clarify your intent at all. You wrote the comments you wrote. If you were not talking about men dating high n woman wtf were you talking about. I don't understand what you're saying. I'm assuming that for most females, simply "dating" a male is not the same as the male committing to a LTR. “Dateable” just means regular men. And are "regular men" the males who will provide for a female in the long-term?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 04:45 AM
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The question is whether non desperate men will commit to women who are not low n Not likely. Dateable men, in general, don’t care. That’s my experience as a woman who has dated dateable men Is a "dateable" male synonymous with a male who's actually willing to provide for you in the long-term (for the rest of his life)? If so, how have you had the opportunity to date multiple males?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:49 AM
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That does not answer the question. You didn't ask a question. They don’t deny commitment based on n count by and large. And as I and others have explained multiple times in this thread now, modern males are not likely to outwardly express their preferences of n-count because that would no longer be considered societally-acceptable behavior. If you are able to swallow the redpill regarding male sexual dynamics (from an evolutionary perspective), you would realize that no amount of societal condit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:37 AM
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Not caring about a female's sexual past before committing to a LTR with her is not a "set of values and beliefs." Males have a biological imperative to mate with a female who is less statistically likely to be carrying or investing in the offspring of other male(s). From an evolutionary context, in order for a male to recognize that the female's offspring is his, he has to be convinced that the female is not engaging in sex with other males shortly prior to or shortly after their sexual encounte…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:28 AM
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I mean people date and have LTRs and then end up breaking up or not marrying. I don’t think that means they’ve never had commitment. Just not ultimate commitment (marriage). https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/imge5b/q4all_if_men_gatekeep_commitment_who_exactly_are/g42rjmi/ The reality is many attractive non desperate men simply don’t care about n count at least generally speaking barring some sort of extreme circumstance. Plenty of attractive dudes to choose from who aren’t stric…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 03:06 AM
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LTRs sometimes end, you know. The point of the discussion was understanding the dynamics of getting to a LTR in the first place. If a LTR ends, it has to have happened first. But even then, LTRs often end for the same reason(s) they never begin. People move away Again, females move away when they realize that the male is not adequately providing physical and/or emotional support. they have differing views on kids or whatever. Again, either the male doesn't want kids and the female realizes that …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 02:58 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/imge5b/q4all_if_men_gatekeep_commitment_who_exactly_are/g40qp3p/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 02:51 AM
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No male with a shred of common sense is going to commit to a LTR with a female who has an ambiguous past
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 06:58 PM
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Yes, one or more of those individual factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 06:30 PM
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No, but the physical/emotional insecurities/desperations that cause a high n-count for a female can result in an abusive relationship dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 06:27 PM
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has it-now hear me out on this- occurred to you that this woman ended the relationship herself? Females will not proceed to have sex with a male after the initial date(s) if they do not deem the male to be sexually desirable. Thus, their "relationship" will end before ever reaching sex. Assuming sex does occur, females will end the sexual-relationship once they realize that the male is not adequately providing physical and/or emotional support. The common reason for (good-looking) males not adeq…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 06:23 PM
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The assertion is that female insecurity and/or desperation results in a high n-count. A female is not going to end up with a high n-count unless they are desperate enough to have sex for the prospect of receiving physical and/or emotional support from a male, while simultaneously failing to secure a single provider. The correlational aspect is irrelevant since the process of obtaining a high n-count for a female is strictly causal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:54 PM
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It's the initial reason, but an n-count will continue to grow as the female gets fuckzoned by males with the naive hope of eventually being able to find an established partner (which may never happen—further reinforced by the female ageing out of her sexual prime). The process is a vicious positive feedback loop.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:41 PM
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I also have never dated a man who asked or cared, so my assumption is that to most men, it is just not very important. Males are conditioned in modern society to not expect female promiscuity to be an important factor. Bluepilled males will not inquire about a female's sexual past because they are afraid of being off-putting (and failing to receive the sex they might be desperate for). And I only have ever dated good-looking guys The fact that you have dated multiple males establishes that you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 05:23 PM
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And the bluepilled naive males who don't even consider their prospective wife's n-count prior to marriage tend to end up in a world of hurt. Just because Amber Heard is hot doesn't mean Johnny Depp didn't destroy his life by marrying her. No male with a shred of common sense is going to commit to a LTR with a female who has an ambiguous past, regardless of how attractive that female is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 04:14 PM
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An ugly but bearable, non-slut (virgin before marriage) wife is a lot better than an attractive but insufferable, slut wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 03:48 PM
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Regarding LTRs: not being a virgin I was naive before reading redpill material, but now... I just can't...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 01:34 PM
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