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| 75 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective. | HB_sedditor | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 01:41 AM | |
| 8 | Update 2: Breaking out of the Friendzone | HB_sedditor | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 02:00 AM | |
| 3 | Update: Breaking out of the friendzone | HB_sedditor | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 03:51 AM |
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| 2 | Update 2: Breaking out of the FriendzoneI would but I don't think he would be happy about it... Also, he hates pictures and I usually do, as well. If it helps at all, I think I average out as a HB8... He is, according to some mutual acquaintances, lower than an HD5 (I obviously disagree). He hasn't been whining or focusing on it a lot when we are together- just a few comments, and I know him really well. I am not going to tell him it's unattractive unless he starts doing it all the time... In the meantime, I figure I can just let him … | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 02:34 PM |
| 2 | Update 2: Breaking out of the FriendzoneI see both points of view... I really added it because it seems like everyone does it, and I hoped it would help get more interest / responses. | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 01:42 PM |
| 1 | Update 2: Breaking out of the FriendzoneMaybe I am wrong, but I have been trying to not become too house-wifey right away... For instance, his place is a mess and I really want to clean it... but I don't think that's appropriate until we live together? He has been pretty chill and not really said anything about his feelings, other than that he is happy. As I said in another comment, he sometimes makes statements that indicate he is worried about me second-guessing this... | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 01:41 PM |
| 2 | Update 2: Breaking out of the FriendzoneThanks, and I think that you are right. So far, we are just trying to take it slow... We hang out more than usual, and of course there is making out and sex that we didn't have before... but we haven't been insane about it (although I have been giddy as fuck, admittedly). I worry a little bit because he has a low self-esteem that he hides well, and while he has not really expressed it directly, I think he might already be worried about us not working out... He points out that I am a lot hotter a… | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 01:36 PM |
| 2 | Update 2: Breaking out of the FriendzoneThis is true, yes... It's more the fact that he had spent years pining for me, and when I became single, I jumped this other guy instead of seeing what was right in front of me.... In the end, it may have been for the better. It was a good learning experience for us, as I learned things about myself and he learned to not be so vindictive. | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 01:33 PM |
| 1 | Shy / Good / Sensible GirlsI just want to agree with the posts above me. One thing I have noticed is that I am attracted to guys a lot more, by far, if there is a lot of push-pull, such as teasing and playing around and what not. In fact, I don't know if I can feel chemistry with someone who can't do this with me.... Also, as a female that feels similarly about sex/bonding, I can say that you do need to put in more effort than is typical and also respect how the girl feels about it. If you manage to get a girl who is like… | /r/seduction | 05/06/11 01:07 AM |
| 2 | Shy / Good / Sensible GirlsI just want to say that almost everyone is right in this thread... Some girls who have these behavior types are insecure and want to break out of their shell... and some feel that they are high-value and have high-standards / requirements / whatever you want to call them. Personally, I fit maybe half or more of the qualities listed here, and I feel that I am a high-value individual with not-too-high standards... I am also inexperienced. So I suppose I represent a merging of the two issues? In an… | /r/seduction | 05/06/11 12:58 AM |
| 1 | This was me before I found seddit (and I'm sure it applies to a lot of you folks as well).Why would it be odd for women to like it? I realize that I am relatively odd, but it is one of my favorite romances... | /r/seduction | 15/04/11 10:03 PM |
| 14 | This was me before I found seddit (and I'm sure it applies to a lot of you folks as well).I love this movie, and that part always stood out in my head. | /r/seduction | 15/04/11 09:23 AM |
| 15 | The dangers of the game in untrained hands. The words of an older man.... And Dump Your Shitty Boyfriend Day? I know I could have used Dump Your Shitty Spouse Day... would have saved me some time and wasted effort. | /r/seduction | 15/04/11 09:22 AM |
| 1 | What being friend-zoned is, from a female point of view.I thought that the way you phrased it in the original post made it sound intentional, as in she was aware of his feelings and using him as a result... That means she is a bitch. If, on the other hand, it is accidental, and she is not purposefully using him, I would stand corrected. | /r/seduction | 13/04/11 09:53 AM |
| 1 | Update: Breaking out of the friendzoneI wouldn't say it's closed forever, just as it was never closed to begin with. It would take some serious slighting (like with my ex) to make me entirely write someone off... But I don't feel like chasing anymore. | /r/seduction | 12/04/11 07:34 PM |
| 1 | Update: Breaking out of the friendzoneThanks. I think this might be true, as well... but to be honest, the initial rejection obviously upset me, and I am not sure how I feel now... We don't seem like we would be good longterm, and he seems to agree with this. To those who are still reading this...Do NOT give a girl a reason to break her own state. This is when it turns to FAIL, because women are always looking for a reason to break state (that is how we play defense, more so than ASD, honestly). | /r/seduction | 12/04/11 06:35 PM |
| 1 | Hey Seddit what makes you awesome?Not often at all... I have 2 weeks of vacation per year and spend a lot of time working 6 days a week. But a good number of my goals revolve around having a homestead and then also being able to travel and adventure in my off-time.... I think my next trip will be to travel around the UK. | /r/seduction | 12/04/11 05:22 PM |
| 1 | What being friend-zoned is, from a female point of view.I disagree... of course, this could be true for the real bitches. The friend-zone doesn't really exist to me, though, because I feel like it's a result of no or low attraction... So if attraction increases, the friend-zone can be broken. Unfortunately, the last two guys I fell for where friends... and neither ended up returning my feelings (other than the feeling of wanting to sleep with me). | /r/seduction | 12/04/11 05:15 PM |
| 2 | Hey Seddit what makes you awesome?I have an unusual job in a male-dominated field. I am also a geek and a badass (I play D20 games and WoW and train boxing). I like to travel, and I have a few awesome adventure stories from last year, when I went to Thailand by myself. There is more, too, but I won't bore you with details about myself... If I were you, I would tell travel stories or just talk about something you have done recently that can spark a conversation. | /r/seduction | 12/04/11 12:39 AM |
| 1 | Update: Breaking out of the friendzoneHahaha, my friend and I did that stuff all the time... Otherwise, I haven't used kino in a while because I haven't liked anyone (as more than a friend) that I have dates or met while out. Except for the few girls, which I posted FRs for in the separate pickup community. I don't feel that my pickup is really lacking, just that I struggle to make connections. But I have plenty of time. | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Update: Breaking out of the friendzoneSince you don't know me, I can see how you could jump to those conclusions. I actually have a very busy and fun life, though (Also, I have more often than not been the one to ask to do fun things), and I don't "need" him. Or at least, I very much treasure our friendship, and so long as that is intact, I can be happy... It just turned out that over the years, I grew strong feelings for him and was hoping that he would reciprocate. Oops.... As things are now, we pretty much have a relationship wit… | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 10:44 PM |
| 1 | Guys, how would you react to a girl being "alpha?"As a female who does act "alpha" a lot... most guys I know seem intimidated by it. I have yet to find an actual alpha male, as well, so I'm not sure how he would respond to it... I would hope positively, only because I also don't care to always be the aggressor or dominant one in a relationship even though (and possibly because) I act like that most of the time. | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 07:33 PM |
| 2 | Update: Breaking out of the friendzoneI am in that age group, but I am not that kind of girl.... I also think that would be a shitty thing to do to get someone's attention, no offense. | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 09:37 AM |
| 1 | Update: Breaking out of the friendzoneI originally thought that, as well, and was probably going to do it... but some things happened, and it became all but impossible to not tell him, as there hasn't been much opportunity to jump him.... He already kinda knew, anyway, and was just waiting for me to say it. | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 09:36 AM |
| 1 | Update: Breaking out of the friendzoneThis is what I have been doing, and honestly, I need more friends like I need holes in the head, as a friend of mine would say. But I understand your point. | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 09:35 AM |
| 1 | Update: Breaking out of the friendzoneWhile this is true, it's not... I have been on a lot of horrible dates and it's been really, really hard for me to find someone decent. I think I am going to take a break from hunting for a while... get myself together again... all over again, haha. | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 04:00 AM |
| 1 | FR: All over good lineSo what happens when you meet a girl who actually has hobbies / interests? Do you then attempt to neg her on those, depending on what they are, or do you reward her for jumping your hoop and "passing"? | /r/seduction | 09/04/11 02:07 AM |
| 3 | [fr] The most alpha shit I've ever pulledGood day to you, madam. FTFY :P | /r/seduction | 06/04/11 03:00 AM |
| 4 | [fr] The most alpha shit I've ever pulledI'm not trying to sound like a bitch... but FRs like this confuse me. I mean, yeah, it's great that you weren't nervous and just went for the kiss, etc. (seriously)... but this girl sounds like she is easy, and I don't see how that makes this alpha? I feel like that term is getting thrown around a lot, lately, when it's not necessarily in context. | /r/seduction | 05/04/11 10:16 PM |
| 3 | shit test or general disinterest?This, a million times. I always think it's funny when guys with moderate game get so frustrated when their methods don't work like they want them to... Look at a slightly difficult girl as a challenge and have fun with it. | /r/seduction | 05/04/11 10:09 PM |
| 1 | How to solo at a bar as a girl?I wanted to reply because of the amount of people saying "this should be easy for you"... I am in a similar place in life as far as having a breakup after a long relationship and being out of school, and it's not that easy to just go out and meet people. What happens most of the time for me is... I go out, try to smile and approach people, hang at the bar, etc. I get a lot of looks, some guys smile or nod, but almost none of them approach. The ones that do are invariably the ones that I am not i… | /r/seduction | 04/04/11 09:44 AM |
| 2 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.In general, I would expect reciprocation. As horrible as it is, I also think it is expected that a guy escalate after a while. I give you guys so much credit, because this stuff is pretty hard and I never realized it until I started trying it, myself. | /r/seduction | 04/04/11 09:26 AM |
| 1 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.Not especially; I have noticed it in the past with other people, as well. I have always felt pretty good about "reading" people, and I realized a long time ago how effective people can be while interacting, whether they are "natural" or not. Honestly, the oddest thing for me has been the realization of my own body language. I tried to deny to myself for quite a while that I was feeling as attracted as I was, but the proof is in my own response. | /r/seduction | 04/04/11 09:23 AM |
| 2 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.Well, we never used to touch much other than an occasional hug when someone was upset. At first, I was just trying to give him examples of things he could do with other girls. He didn't do those things with me right away, but I guess he started realizing how important it was. I think it began with light touches here and there, to the arm or shoulder, when we were talking. It then escalated into playful poking, shoving, kicking, etc. We have messed with each others' hair on occasion, as well. Whe… | /r/seduction | 04/04/11 01:26 AM |
| 1 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.I would guess it's been about 5 years. I met him at school when I was still attending. | /r/seduction | 04/04/11 01:18 AM |
| 2 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.To the first question: it's because the "right person" doesn't feel right when there is no attraction... You can't expect a girl to like a guy just because he thinks they are compatible. As for your second comment, as I already said, I was with someone at the time for the duration of most of our friendship, so it's not like he was shrugged of for no reason. | /r/seduction | 04/04/11 01:14 AM |
| 1 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.We usually crack jokes about how it would never work, etc, and use teasing/negs, haha. | /r/seduction | 04/04/11 01:10 AM |
| 2 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.That is encouraging to know, and I am glad you shared that story. I think we have been on a date, but it hasn't been discussed as such. I guess I will need to grow a pair and ask more clearly! | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 11:50 AM |
| 4 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.Thanks. In the event that I go for it, I hope you are right and that nothing is lost; that is my biggest fear in this scenario. | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 11:48 AM |
| 5 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.Thanks for the encouragement, and if that happens, I will definitely let everyone know how it goes! | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 11:47 AM |
| 4 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I have been trying to carefully consider my choices, but TofuTofu pretty much simplified them for me, and when it comes down to it, that is the choice I need to make... A or B, what will it be? | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 11:46 AM |
| 1 | [FR] A old pickup story that happened to me few years ago.Yeah, I would definitely warn most people to not do this type of joke... Even if I was really into someone, it would ruin my mood. Then again, I am a rape victim... but with statistics the way they are, it's something to consider. | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 11:41 AM |
| 13 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.I am worried about rejection, and I usually try not to care too much about outcomes, but in this scenario, I am scared that it won't work out and I will lose one of my best friends... I am not worried about whether he is "the real deal" or not. Additionally, many guys that I know have told me that men get freaked out by women who are too forward, do the asking out, make the move, etc... One of my best friends told me that I "hit on dudes like a guy hitting on chicks" and that that was my problem… | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 02:52 AM |
| 18 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.I started reading it as a way to help my own game... I am pretty assertive, and a lot of guys aren't these days, so it helps. Also, I do try to game women at times (I am equal opportunity, haha). Most of the "tricks" are obvious. Men that are genuinely alpha, on the other hand, don't have tricks... just skill, and even if I know what they are doing and why, it still works. | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 02:49 AM |
| 4 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.haha, possibly a very good point. ;P | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 02:47 AM |
| 11 | Breaking the friendzone... from the other perspective.I have considered posting old FRs, as well, but I am worried I will not remember them exactly or that someone will figure out who I am, haha. It is nice to have the support, though! As for dating him... I suppose I am waiting for him to ask me. As I said, now that I am more available to him, I am worried that he is not into me so much (and I am the opposite of his "type", as well). Having said that, I have to add that he is not really all that appealing to many other girls, still... There are a … | /r/seduction | 03/04/11 02:03 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Do you know any magic tricks? Oh shit, I think she's aware of game...As a female aware of game, here is my two cents: I think she is aware of game, judging from her responses and behavior. Even if she isn't knowledgeable about "the game", she has dealt with it enough to notice a pattern. Some guys that game aren't even aware of it, they are just natural, if that makes sense... but because I know about it, I can see what they are doing and why, whether they realize it or not. Also, it is not likely that she is upset or messing with you just because she feels like … | /r/seduction | 04/03/11 12:50 AM |
| 2 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.I definitely got flooded with a lot of messages, and most of them were from much older, less attractive men.. and they lacked conversational skill, from what I could tell. Out of the few that were interesting, I made one friend and had to rid myself of an almost-stalker. My experience with lesbians online wasn't much better, either. I decided after a week or so that I didn't want to deal with it anymore and that I would prefer to meet someone in a more natural environment, especially because che… | /r/seduction | 17/02/11 12:04 AM |
| 2 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.You are correct about bars and work, and that is a lot of the issue I am having at this point. I work a lot and going to bars only resulted in me meeting lots of guys who just wanted to take me home (not that there is anything wrong with that, but that is not what I am looking for). Personally, I am at work a lot, and when I am not, I am at the gym or hanging with friends. After having tried online dating, assuming I would meet others in the same position, I can honestly say that I don't recomme… | /r/seduction | 16/02/11 09:55 PM |
| 1 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.Asking me what my values are during a discussion about them isn't really a neg. I can see how it could be interpreted as me qualifying myself to him, except for the fact that it would be out of place at this time; I am neither attracted to him, nor interested in what he thinks about me personally and therefore do not need to appeal to him or his sense of values... Also, there is no fun in blowing someone's game unless there is absolutely no attraction at all and the girl feels like being a bitch… | /r/seduction | 16/02/11 09:47 PM |
| 1 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.So I am curious, since you said you ask so many people... what are the most common answers? And how easily do most people come by them? | /r/seduction | 16/02/11 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.I thought this, as well, haha. :P | /r/seduction | 16/02/11 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.Well, when I was qualifying myself, I wasn't trying to choose core values. Most of the guys here would list looks as a first requirement, and it is undeniably important. As far as core values, they are the same things I expect to find in someone else: honesty, integrity, perseverance... There are many more things I could define, but they are not as specific or as necessary. Although appreciation might need to be put up there, as well... I only meant to say that I have many qualities, whether the… | /r/seduction | 16/02/11 10:32 AM |
| 3 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.And when I realized that, I started coming here and working on my approach, etc. Thank you for the advice; I always try to keep this in mind! | /r/seduction | 16/02/11 10:25 AM |
| 1 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.I agree completely with the things listed in 3 and 4, especially about being career-driven. I can't seem to meet anyone who is very successful or goal-orientated, and I think that those traits are very important- not because I need a provider but because I want someone who can be mature and who can plan and think ahead. The only thing I can really add is that I have had an especially difficult time finding guys that are not intimidated by me, and I think that that is partly why confidence and ca… | /r/seduction | 15/02/11 10:13 PM |
| 4 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.Well, I am attractive, intelligent, hard-working... I have a good career, my own home, and interesting hobbies. Most people that I interact with like me, and I am generally described by people as a catch. Was that enough to qualify? :P | /r/seduction | 15/02/11 10:02 PM |
| 12 | Why Guys Struggle Getting Quality Girls.Being a "quality girl," I feel that I can agree with this whole-heartedly. Sometimes when I am interacting with a guy and he is negging me, I will admit that it can help with attraction and it makes bantering back and forth more fun... But it doesn't necessarily make me want him, if that makes sense. I am in a mindset where I want to find a high quality person, not just someone to mess around with, so it's necessary that s/he displays other, more long-term valuable traits. So ideally, if you are… | /r/seduction | 15/02/11 04:38 PM |
| 10 | Dissecting shit test passing measures (Tyler Durden)As a female... not only is most of this stuff spot-on, but I think there is a larger picture to keep in mind here, as well. When you are in a relationship with a girl, and she does those "crazy" things you don't understand... so much of it is THIS- testing you, where your fail = loss of her state. Once you have understood that, you have taken a giant step in the right direction. | /r/seduction | 24/01/11 03:47 AM |
| 2 | Had to flake on a girl, what do I do next?This, exactly. If you have any sort of reason at all that is decent, use it. Don't say "something came up" unless you are trying to make her feel unimportant. You have a good reason, and it's also sorta badass and sympathetic. Just tell her why, and make some other plans. You should be fine. | /r/seduction | 18/01/11 09:48 PM |
| 5 | From the Couch to the Bedroom: How To?I was going to say this. A guy did this with me a while ago, and not only was it pretty sexy, it also got rid of any ASD (or second thoughts) I might have had. | /r/seduction | 18/01/11 09:32 PM |
| 6 | What do you do when you make extended eye-contact with a girl on the street, subway, etc.I was just discussing this with some male friends the other day... Almost all guys, in my experience, look away. Even if you just maintain eye contact, kind of like "yeah, that's right, I was looking at you," is better than just looking the other way. Also, approaching afterward is not a bad idea if she smiles at you, either. | /r/seduction | 14/01/11 10:24 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone else like girls only when they return your volleys?I came here to say this, too. And I think it is partially because there aren't that many guys into it... mostly because they can't handle it. | /r/seduction | 14/01/11 06:08 AM |
| 1 | Been seeing a girl -- things moving SLOWLYOh, don't get me wrong... I totally understand that. It's not like women don't have needs! And if the priority is to get laid, well then, who am I to judge? I just meant... if you "really like her", why not continue to wait it out instead of determining that she isn't worth it because she won't put out? Or I guess... why not eat dinner somewhere else while you are waiting for what might possibly be a really awesome dinner that is just taking a long time to get ready? | /r/seduction | 12/01/11 05:04 AM |
| 2 | [US FR #12] Day Two in Miami - Day Bar Game, Social Engineering into the VIP, Club Game, Random F-closeI agree... No matter what happens, this is gonna be good. | /r/seduction | 12/01/11 04:07 AM |
| 1 | Been seeing a girl -- things moving SLOWLYIt's topics and replies like this that worry me, as a female that doesn't sleep with just any guy... While I agree that it sounds like you've been friend-zoned or at least put on the back burner.... Does no one think it's worth it to wait, anymore? | /r/seduction | 12/01/11 03:48 AM |
| 1 | [Female FR] Awesome is what awesome does!Sometimes I like a good argue. :P ... I am also a little annoyed at the male attitude that women don't really need to do anything, though. I will admit that it's possible that I am an exception to the general rule, but without using tactics or being subtle and yes, even mildly manipulative, I do not seem to get approached by decent guys... See the study I would like to see this study, but I can not find it. You didn't provide it, just quotes from it. With out knowing the context, it's hard to ac… | /r/seduction | 09/01/11 10:34 AM |
| 1 | [Female FR] Awesome is what awesome does!Attraction, for males is based greatly on physical appearance, if you do not agree with that please let me know and I can back that up. Obviously, I have to agree with this. But when there are many attractive women, what makes one stand out more than another... or more approachable than another? Also, a lot of guys here think that women don't take initial attraction into account... and well, we do more often than you would think. You seem to be equating the act of allowing, or facilitating a mal… | /r/seduction | 09/01/11 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Ask Seddit: How to Prep a Seduction LocationI think the term is "seddit lurkettes"? haha. Also, I feel like maybe you guys over think some of this stuff. Personally, if I am going over to someone's home, I do not go through their things or look for hidden stuff. If it's not in plain sight, I am not going to see it... especially, especially, if I haven't known you very long. Granted, I most likely wouldn't go to a guy's house without knowing him very well, either... hmm. | /r/seduction | 09/01/11 04:00 AM |
| 6 | Advice on this flake?Me: No worries, I'll let you make it up to me Tuesday or Friday. Her: Lol I'm working those days. Me: So wednesday, Thursday or Sunday, take your pick. I can give a female perspective on this... Don't do it. The first cancellation could be legitimate or her not being sure of her interest anymore. Either way, when you respond as you did, it comes across as overly eager. I would suggest telling her it's too bad that she's going to miss out, and that maybe you will invite her some other time... She… | /r/seduction | 09/01/11 03:43 AM |
| 1 | [Female FR] Awesome is what awesome does!Yeah, I am wondering that, too, honestly. Although, I try to switch it up. I have been trying to make the first moves, lately, and I also change tactics depending on if I am flirting with a man or a woman. I am not looking for one night stands, either (not that there is anything wrong with those), so different different goal/targets/approaches... :) | /r/seduction | 09/01/11 03:30 AM |
| 1 | [Female FR] Awesome is what awesome does!I completely do not understand this response... She did not do anything attention whorish or manipulative, as far as I can see. Actually, if you try to read this FR from a reverse perspective of a guy, she did exactly what most of you would expect... For starters, she introduced herself, was playful, was having fun (social proof, seems approachable)... She used a hat which a guy was wearing to get his attention (sort of like the hats,etc, that some of you use ON PURPOSE for this exact situation)… | /r/seduction | 09/01/11 03:18 AM |
| 2 | [Female FR] Awesome is what awesome does!In regards to your bolded text... I would just like to say that while that might be true for you, it is not true for everyone. For starters, I think a lot of the guys here (no offense) think women don't have to do anything because they are jaded and former/current AFCs who would be happy with just a "hello", etc, from a girl. Secondly, I think most guys can agree that there are HBs out there that, while attractive, do not know how to flirt, converse, or convey chemistry; this kills the mood, whe… | /r/seduction | 09/01/11 03:01 AM |
| 2 | [Female FR] Awesome is what awesome does!It's funny that I found this here today, because I had just decided to create an account and use it for female FRs... So congrats on beating me to it, haha! You definitely sound like a natural, and it looks like you have everything in order... most of the challenges stem from my containing myself so as not to come on too intimidating and letting the guys feel like they are doing most of the work) I feel like this was a really important point to make... I have noticed that even though a lot of gu… | /r/seduction | 09/01/11 02:43 AM |
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