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There is a reason people call it "game", get to know the common strategies and start applying, read her signals, react to them, don't worry about figuring out if she is worth it on the first, second, or even third date, doing so totally kills the mood, have some stuff to talk about, once you keep talking to her you will pick up the small bits of info you are looking for, and will react to it, she will pick this and adapt, as so should you be aware. Seduction language is extremely dysfunctional b…
/r/seduction28/10/22 07:54 PM
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Yes!
/r/seduction26/10/22 05:18 PM
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As I said this for you is a bonus, but a guy that wants to wait is almost insulting to the woman.
/r/seduction25/10/22 10:21 PM
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That is a good argument to make someone addicted to cocaine!!! The thing is that a lot of people don't want to try it not because they have their beliefs, because they don't want the trouble of questioning their sexuality, they don't want the trouble of practicality (i mean making a child is usually easier then adopting and it develops the parental instincts way faster, even if you want to adopt in the future too), but also some people are VERY instinctively repulsed by homossexual activity, say…
/r/seduction25/10/22 01:18 PM
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I mean, the implication is that the OP isn't bi, so i guess it is a no-go.
/r/seduction25/10/22 04:58 AM
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Well, i am glad it worked for you, but i can't repeat the same mistake again. Edit:There was a post here saying most guys are willing to wait but they are kinda pushed to not do so due to competition, if you are a girl's this changes things A LOT, since you are the gate you would be dictating when it happens and this would reflect on your personal history, wich is a great bonus, guys don't like girls that are run through.
/r/seduction24/10/22 12:57 AM
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I do understand that somewhat, i also take a LOOOOOOOONG time to bond, and I am still somewhat a bit repulsed to doing sex early, but i became aware through very bad experiences that if you as a guy are not doing it fast she is on the risk of going with someone else and you be left on the Friendzone.
/r/seduction24/10/22 12:50 AM
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Moving is not an option for the near future, i don't have such a bad situation cause I live in a city that basically lives because of the local college, so once every 6 months there is a new small wave of girls joining up on tinder, it isn't much, but it is what I have, and I have not been socialized since I was a child, so i can't just refuse opportunities to learn, even if it isn't as effective as it could be.
/r/seduction24/10/22 12:08 AM
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Well i live in a place with 30k only.
/r/seduction23/10/22 11:12 PM
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Did you started game on a big town or city? We're you already attractive before you implemented? Because I am neither from a big city nor was initially attractive, i have been building both, attractiveness and game at the same time.
/r/seduction23/10/22 10:41 PM
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Thanks, this is the best advice i got
/r/seduction23/10/22 10:39 PM
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Yes, totally agree, but what would be the factors that would make the rule more or less flexible?(i know some but maybe people know more)
/r/seduction23/10/22 06:17 PM
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I said potentially, that was an old photo and I thought I deleted it a while ago since I couldn't take the frame out, i have been on gym since the beggining of the year, increasing my odds. When I say potentially i mean my max possible phisique is above average, specially because the factors i can't possibly change are in my favor, things like height, good metabolism, no story of baldness in my father, etc.
/r/seduction23/10/22 05:28 PM
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Would you advice for guys to start hanging out with different girls until they find out what is worth it or not for them on the same way you did? Not every guy can reach huge potential yet or they just don't live somewhere where this rule might be reasonable for them.
/r/seduction23/10/22 03:46 PM
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Was the 2 dates until sex always the rule or has it become the rule?
/r/seduction23/10/22 03:42 PM
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Okay, is there a pattern from the ones that make you wait for the second date and was that always the rule?
/r/seduction23/10/22 03:35 PM
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Well not everyone is that attractive, this advice doesn't help much a lot of guys, although i must admit i am potentially way more attractive then the average, and I've been working on reaching my potential.
/r/seduction23/10/22 03:17 PM
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with her innocence still intact or if she said she was religious. Yeah i agree these ones deserve a bit more time if she demands, although NEVER trust her word alone on that, but around Innocence for example, how long would it take to say "hey it is not worth it" in relationship to the average.
/r/seduction23/10/22 03:08 PM
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But that is exactly the point, the 3 dates rule is more about a mean average rather then something written in stone, but the point is that i am asking, what goes into calculations of "am i wasting my time here?", at some point if a guy keeps putting effort without reward then he must leave, so how do you make this calculus depending on a girls specific conditions and environment.
/r/seduction23/10/22 02:59 PM
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Look i am not the one to stimulate toxic friendship, but you have an opportunity to shut down emotional connection to just use him as a study case if you fake your friendship until you get everything you want.
/r/seduction23/10/22 11:57 AM
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Yeah, i think she may develop an attachment that can be bigger then her political beliefs at some point.
/r/seduction22/10/22 09:26 AM
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I would rather not lie.
/r/seduction22/10/22 09:23 AM
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Sorry i don't speak emotional.
/r/seduction22/10/22 09:22 AM
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I can, it is just that if i do she will just leave through the door.
/r/seduction22/10/22 02:35 AM
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Yeah, i don't want anything more with her but I've heard girls do get way less picky once you showed worth enough to lay her. In the book self made man the female author disguises as a man for one year and eventually starts going out with women, after she reveals she is a woman a lot of woman still wanted to be with her, despite being fully heterosexual girls from up to that point, (although this can be explained by other factors such as preselecting a more feminine man since some people started…
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:56 AM
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Didn't mentioned cause people would simply not get it and the reaction, but it is "O mínimo que você precisa saber para não ser um idiota" by Olavo de Carvalho, translating the title "The minimum you need to know to not be an idiot".
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:48 AM
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Tô be bluntly honest, no I don't, all my books are on the open.
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:46 AM
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Thanks
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:41 AM
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Thanks
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:40 AM
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It won't stick, it is the only political book here.
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:38 AM
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Nope i am not, i was because I didn't understood what you were trying to say first, i am just telling you that you could've been more precise on your wording (not everyone will just drop it like i did, and it will be a headache)
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:37 AM
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I’m assuming you live in the America since you mentioned Ben Shapiro Nope, i mentioned Ben Shapiro because I am NOT from America, and therefore would need a book to use as an example of the kind of reaction people would get. Also are you pursuing this seriously? If you are why did you even bring them over, like you cannot hide your political views for long especially if you read political literature lol. Nope, not in that way, i don't even like going out to date, but i understand i must do so in…
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:34 AM
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Well seduction isn't the first thing in my priority list dude, i do understand it can harm me, but i do take care to never speak about it. But it seemed that you were not trying to make me aware of how my beliefs spoken out loud are not seductive, but instead just assuming i should give up beliefs for seduction.
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:28 AM
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It was an example, i couldn't think of another book that would get the same kind of reaction you are having right now, other then this one, i only didn't mentioned the name cause it would only get bad looks in my country, and you would be contextless. But also, i didn't asked for your moral judgement or to be put in a chair and be called evil, i really hope you don't speak like that with anyone you disagree with ideologically.
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:20 AM
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I do agree, but i personally would just turn the title to not be legible, it is less about reading it and be judged for doing so, and more about being judged for making it obvious, if it is not out in the open even if someone finds out by accident it tells that person that it is not something to be proud of, it doesn't deserve to be on your shelf.
/r/seduction22/10/22 01:14 AM
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Well she was drunk in order to tell me that, the thing that makes me confused is "if she was expecting more why did she kept making excuses?", by the way she said "i want to stay at home today" as an excuse, if she lied it would be different.
/r/seduction20/10/22 11:25 AM
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The point is that women are crazy, but that any woman can be, if one is it can ruin your life. Also as I said i don't ask directly because it is not super effective, i go and make a very discrete "trick" wich would be obvious for anyone what is the end goal, stuff like "i think you have some food left in your mouth"
/r/seduction20/10/22 08:50 AM
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Well i have the proof that i went out with two other girls already with a third on next week, and I am still able to make into the second date, it is clearly not a significant obstacle.
/r/seduction19/10/22 10:28 PM
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You clearly didn't read what i said, i just won't kiss a woman if i am not sure I have enough evidence to prove that i did not do anything wrong, a history of messages showing a second date is proof enough. This caution isn't unjustifiable I looked at the event and asked myself "what can I learn from this?" and did so.
/r/seduction19/10/22 10:25 PM
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Me? That girl is the one who needs one, wtf, who reacts like that, and has people that feed the delusion without asking questions or giving benefit of the doubt.
/r/seduction19/10/22 10:16 PM
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I don't think making phisical contact first would make them look slutty, if a girl picks up my hand it is basically all the signs i need from her.
/r/seduction19/10/22 09:01 PM
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Yes, then you understand that it is more effective to adapt for the general if you don't have specifics, when you get to specifics then you can say this, but even so take the general tendency into consideration.
/r/seduction19/10/22 05:07 PM
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No, that is not it, you kinda have to give a free sample of the prize so they pursue it as much as you want to pursue.
/r/seduction19/10/22 05:01 PM
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Thanks, i do actually try giving some ambiguous signs that are not kisses so girls get more interested on second and third dates.
/r/seduction19/10/22 04:40 PM
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The world works in a normal distribution. Yes they are different, but are there enough girls enoughly different?
/r/seduction19/10/22 03:54 PM
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Well, a bit of both actually, being socially calibrated helps avoiding the situation in the first place, but if you get hit in the beggining it is better learn the lesson, you probably did the same in order to become socially calibrated too, but had different experiences. This advice is specially good for newbies, it is almost like using a children scissors before getting the real one, the safety harms you, but when you are a newbie the lack of experience will harm even more.
/r/seduction19/10/22 02:14 PM
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Thanks, i hope guys also learn from this, it is not that any woman will do this to you, it is that any woman can, better be safe then sorry when it comes to this, even if it means letting some girls go.
/r/seduction19/10/22 01:38 PM
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I was young, said a dumb joke, she had a panick attack, next day 5 of her friends confronted me and threatened me of accusing me of sexual harassment, tried to say sorry and that none of that was my intention, their friends made it worse when I tried. I am sorry if I want to be careful, but until I have proof that you agreed on going to two dates of your own good will and have the testimony of whoever worked in that place. If that girl could mobilize that for way less, any girl could screw me if…
/r/seduction19/10/22 01:31 PM
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Legal issues, i have been threatened of legal action for way less then a kiss, i am not afraid of kissing, i just don't think it is worth if i think there is a risk of a girl twisting my words, plus i am paranoid with people trying to take advantage of me anyway.
/r/seduction19/10/22 01:23 PM
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Thanks, i just think you got the idea wrong, i am not blaming myself or being harsh for not kissing her on the first date, i just didn't felt the need to, wasn't actually looking for openings on this for the first date, until now that was the only negative feedback i had, and as you said she is definitely it worth it, i letters her go when she made the second excuse for not having a second date, all afforts after that point came from her. On the issue of attitude and confidence i am pretty okay,…
/r/seduction19/10/22 01:18 PM
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From what I have been working through right now she was the only one that mentioned this, i only went out with 4 different girls recently 1 i just don't want to be near cause she has a child, she also has gave me reasons to not go out with her again since she seems to find lots of excuses to not go out 1 hour before. Although if the pattern starts to repeat i sure will work on it, thanks.
/r/seduction19/10/22 10:43 AM
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Drunk when she sent the text. Yeah, i realize this is a risk, but I still am not comfortable with kissing on the first date.
/r/seduction19/10/22 09:16 AM
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It isn't as effective though, but it isn't hard for them to realize the trick, it is supposed to be obvious in that manner.
/r/seduction19/10/22 09:14 AM
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Usually in my experience women don't like to be asked directly, you gotta do some kind of obvious trick in order to ask indirectly.
/r/seduction19/10/22 07:10 AM
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That was not my question, i know there is a time of making advances and a time for waiting, i want to be safe, but my question is actually what would be the point a girl would be questioning "why hasn't he tried to kiss me?", I know there is plenty of room before she asks that.
/r/seduction19/10/22 03:40 AM
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I would think that she would be a pain in my back for a while for me, there is no need to feel like garbage if you made a mistake like this in my opinion, it is normal to not understand correctly specially if you are just entering the space. People should stop judging that much on this issue particularly, everyone makes these mistakes, and that is how we are supposed to learn, it is not like you are killing a person, this would've been just an awkward or cringe moment if one of the parts didn't …
/r/seduction19/10/22 03:37 AM
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I think it would be "to first figure out if you DON'T want those lips" if you are a guy generally speaking. Usually guys take iniciative and women like to follow the first move, i think it is implicit on this generality that you wouldn't iniciate with someone you don't want to take the lips first, and assuming you don't raise any red flags wich isn't hard at all, most women would classify as at least "someone to kiss" The problem is that women are trying to figure out if they want the lips, and …
/r/seduction19/10/22 02:54 AM
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Yes, there are exceptions tho, don't assume this girl is an exception, you can compensate height with many other ways, go for it, it is no excuse for insecurity if you also got your shit together.
/r/seduction12/10/22 03:19 AM
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Depends on how broad you want to define "lie", many many times it is better for a guy to embellish the truth, for example if a woman asks the body count of a guy the best answer is to joke around like "623.5, because she might not have legs, but she did spin like a bleyblade", or if she asks "are you free tomorrow?" a good answer is "i was planning on crushing my enemies, do you have a better suggestion?". You gotta have a silver tongue, it is not about lying, but it is about mastering female la…
/r/seduction11/10/22 01:22 PM
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Yes they will, but in order for them to do so you need to be on the 4.5% of men.
/r/seduction10/10/22 01:55 AM
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Believe me it is at least better to have honesty, it is way worse when they look at you with a disgust face.
/r/seduction10/10/22 12:43 AM
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Unless you assume some sort of inflation, i think that what was meant is that "you could be on the same category of the 5%", not be the 5%, almost the same way that if you become someone who earns 100K a year you are becoming a part of that percentage, and also making that percentage bigger then before, you will be on the same category, there will be the one who earns 1000K, but that is if you assume the percentage as the fixed line, and not the "class" as the fixed line. Again, that could also …
/r/seduction07/10/22 02:57 PM
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Time to add 300 to the list, i am not gay but that movie don't try to be discrete and appeal for perfect abs.
/r/seduction18/09/22 10:29 PM
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Yeah, she ended up cancelling and I don't think I will chase her after this time, but that is an advice i will remember.
/r/seduction18/09/22 09:28 PM
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Finally someone who is making the base assumptions that i am a decent human.
/r/seduction18/09/22 06:03 PM
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Finally someone that did not appealed to drama or romanticism.
/r/seduction16/09/22 10:12 PM
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I don't know who got this idea that men connect emotionally the same way women do, just compare male friendships with female friendships, men are more based on need, men usually relate by solving each other's problems, we don't talk about problems the same way women do, and we don't hold grudges the same way women do, when we are mad we don't make social mind games, when we are mad we become more silent. Now for women, here is what you need to know about men when they are connecting with you, me…
/r/seduction16/09/22 10:09 PM
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Women in general aim for quite a big margin of error in relation to height though.
/r/seduction16/09/22 09:48 PM
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It is true, you send signals of insecurity by using the shoes, but as a tall person, yes height is THAT important for guys in order to be somewhat attractive to girls, but there ways of compensating that where it doesn't signal insecurity (like getting muscles)
/r/seduction16/09/22 09:46 PM
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More like women also improving themselves too, but yeah to some extent they must realize their unrealistic expectations is hurting everyone (wich include themselves to some extent too). I just don't talk about this opinion directly with women i have some interest in since women have a more subtle kind of language and being direct almost never is the answer, although if they prove a total scumbag i will have full pleasure on rubbing this on their own faces. I just told you, it is time for women t…
/r/seduction14/09/22 05:14 PM
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No, we can't, that is what I am saying, if all men in the world in a blink of an eye gained 6 packs abs, girls would just start expecting 6 pack abs and highten their own standards to justify that now every guy needs to be like Conan the barbarian, tinder and dating apps did exactly that by inflating the male competition to unrealistic standards for women. Even if we take all the fish from the sea the village will starve, becoming a better fisherman helps that specific guy, but not the entire vi…
/r/seduction14/09/22 04:43 PM
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To begin with, social influence isn't coercion, second this complaining is less about their incapacity of getting a divorce and more about their incapacity to live a life on the same standards after a divorce since back then men were more then ever before providers, a woman divorcing a man would be without his money. Since the 60s there have been increasingly more and more rights given to women on divorce and it has become more and more skewed to their own interests this was pushed at the same t…
/r/seduction14/09/22 04:16 PM
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I agree, that is a solution on an individualistic level, but it isn't on a broad level, it will lead to big problems and only delay the inevitable if nothing else changes, how long do you think people can sustain that level before an Arab spring on the west? But I would say that "lowering expectations" is already a bad idea in general if you are a guy, men are not in any way selective towards their sexuality, the only base they have is already too close to the bare minimum of a healthy relations…
/r/seduction14/09/22 03:08 PM
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The higher a body count a woman has higher is the likelihood she won't be able to maintain a marriage, there are studies that show this, past behavior indicate future habits.
/r/seduction14/09/22 01:07 PM
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Just cause there is social penalties doesn't mean it is coercive, anyone that has a child have to punish it at some point and tell them what not to do, but also you are forgetting that the legal system on divorce was and still is extremely favored to women, wich was a way to also "coerce" guys into not divorcing too, there are also plenty of evidence of the skewed legal system on divorce being focused on women. I am not saying that all of those factors don't have a play in lowering women's happi…
/r/seduction14/09/22 10:27 AM
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False, divorce existed for quite a while and it wasn't coercive, the main reason people didn't divorced was simple, marrying again was extremely hard, both for women and men, this is way closer to the ideal state where people take marriage as a serious thing, because it is a serious thing. Second it is also false, it is not arguable that women are happier now then before, for almost every measure women are at a worst place mentally then they were when compared to pre sexual revolution, there is …
/r/seduction14/09/22 09:45 AM
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Agree with everything, but OP still have the rights to complain that the standards are getting higher and higher, and that is still a problem no matter how OP can solve his situation individually (wich i agree on your point that he needs to change himself) On the great scheme of things OP isn't alone in this situation, and you can't tell everyone in that scenario that they need to change their approach to be more capable or better, because even if they all do it, then you have only inflated the …
/r/seduction14/09/22 01:02 AM
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You are assuming that the expectations are unrealistic, most men's expectations of a woman to be their partner aren't unrealistic, take OP expectations as an example, he wants a girl attractive enough, not a psycho, that doesn't have a big body count, and young, (these last two most likely are to bear children), now tell me if his objective is to have children, aren't these the minimum requirements?, and if you try lowering them you have a high risk of ending up in a terrible terrible relationsh…
/r/seduction14/09/22 12:26 AM
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Take a look on marriage rates curve since the 90s, it declines almost perfectly with the lowering of divorce rates, so although it is true divorces are not as worse as they were in the 90s the marriage rates, so it kinda indicates the issue wasn't solved.
/r/seduction14/09/22 12:06 AM
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Yet you are ignoring data points, men's minimum demands for a woman to get into a relationship didn't change much through time (although they may lie if they have another interest), but the supply of women that fill those standards has declined because of change in culture, simple law of offer and demand, you recognize the scarcity, but you are failing to recognize that not all men will be able to compete with others on the same way and find a minimally suitable partner, the divorce rates is a s…
/r/seduction14/09/22 12:02 AM
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Evolutionary reasons, this is programmed into most men's minds, and also hormonal reasons, it is a way evolution had to avoid being a cuck, add that to the fact that female sexuality is way more emotional then male sexuality in general and you have a recipe for female body count dictating their risk factor for men.
/r/seduction13/09/22 11:03 PM
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A woman's body count matters because ensuring male patternity is way harder then female maternity and some guys can spend their whole lifes taking care of another guy's child without knowing (remember this is evolutionary, so in a way programmed to have this in mind of most guys since the ones that were territorial succeeded), there are quite a good amount of researches that show that the higher body count a woman has her chances of having a long marriage decline, or to be faithful, with a speci…
/r/seduction13/09/22 10:58 PM
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This isn't a rebuttal of the stats, anyone could say the same as you but still end up on the 50% divorced, "you need to meet more women" is only anecdotal, "50% of marriages end up in divorce" is scientific, but he could also use other stats to make the same points, the rise of single moms since sexual revolution (despite better contraception), declining of religion (for the OP religious women have the highest correlation of characteristics)
/r/seduction13/09/22 10:49 PM
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The best advice is to take those views on small bites, and learn to cope with the reality around you, if it is as worse as you think it is or if it is better, as long as you don't take all in at once and have a way to exert control on your life the pain won't matter as much and will be healthy.
/r/seduction13/09/22 10:41 PM
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That is not the problem of OP, he wants women in his life, but the bare minimum expectations are becoming unrealistic to no fault of his own, and it is not like he can change his expectations.
/r/seduction13/09/22 10:34 PM
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Avoid the question with some clever comeback, only be honest when you are already in a relationship, otherwise treat it as an opportunity to play with her, some comebacks can be: "Today? 45." "3.141" "I am a virgin"-Use this only if it is obvious you are not, like if you have a child she knows about. "Somewhere between King Solomon's notch count and Genghis Khan"
/r/seduction28/08/22 02:21 PM
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I know that, the worst part is the disgust face, just keep your frame and mind focused, all they want with that is to cause a reaction on you, this is a crucial moment if you seem like you can't take the punch it will be worse, but if you can maybe someone else from the group will say about that and/or approach you.
/r/seduction11/08/22 11:29 PM
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How about this, compare yourself with others AND with your own self past. It is still useful to compare yourself with others as long as you are realistic, it may give a lot of gratitude over your situation right now.
/r/seduction24/07/22 01:25 AM
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You did right, my though is always "you idiot that is exactly why I am asking you out".
/r/seduction21/07/22 04:20 PM
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