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Well, sometimes I argue compulsively.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:23 PM
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Women don't have last names. Even if she chooses to use her mother's maiden name, it's still inherited from her grandfather.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:22 PM
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Tell that to those who believe wholeheartedly that that idea existing is force.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:20 PM
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I'm not sure the Spanish double surname is quite the same idea as a hyphenated name in an English speaking country.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:19 PM
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Anytime someone "escapes" one of these cults and goes public about some man who "abused" her, the tone is always one that suggests she is doing it to get more attention than the other wives do, or that her husband finally just gave her the ick, more than actual trauma. You don't see nearly as much media attention on the men who have been kicked out to reduce competition, nor are such men as vocal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:16 PM
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This might be true if there is a father in the picture, which statisically is decreasingly the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:58 PM
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I will reserve my doubts that work is an improvement to emotional presence. In any case, I don't want to hear anyone ever again complain that "my whole salary goes to childcare", because the net income is the same as not working and now the child barely knows you because they don't see you during their waking hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:54 PM
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This post is emotional screeching and I won't pretend there is an argument here to engage with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:51 PM
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I don't care what they were. I am talking about choices that can be made today. In this entire discussion I have used the word IS, not WAS
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:45 PM
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We need to create a day to celebrate specifically Women who are full time parents. This is a thing in some countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:44 PM
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Yes, which can be a team effort, or you can try and do it by yourself, but the latter option does require you to work, which takes you away from your children, which is measurably bad for their physical and mental health
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:43 PM
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Freedom to work or not by marrying a man who is financially capable of supporting her decision either way == "financial control!!! oppression!!!" You can't be reasoned with
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:41 PM
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Financial stability is achievable by being picky of men and marrying one who is financially responsible enough to support himself and you, thereby not requiring you to work. Feminism, being founded on the idea that "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle", won't suggest that idea to you, instead equating jobs == the only source of money. The result is the doubling of the workforce and halving of wages, which is why people now complain both partners have to work; it's by design. I wouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:14 PM
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I don't care what someone did, I care what they will do. Unless what they did influences what they will do, which is why body counts matter (in all senses of the term).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:07 PM
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greatest ally
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:05 PM
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No but it does impress upon women from a young age that career > family
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:04 PM
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Without gf's, men see each other as competition. Bro groups form when they are all paired with women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:05 PM
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Not a lawyer, don't want to end up in either of those courts, and don't really know the difference. The situation is hypothetical and just an example of what I'm afraid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:38 PM
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Completely agreed, but I think you are being more reasonable than a family court would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:32 PM
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> Listen, here's our budget, we only have X available spending money, we can't afford this expensive item If she does it anyway because math is too hard for her, there is legally very little I can do to clean up the mess. Rinse and repeat until we are both broke. Is this a situation "beyond questioning"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:25 PM
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Well, I can't remember the last time I met any woman who wasn't single and sane. I know lots of sane and responsible women who are married or in relationships, and I know a few single women who a few decades ago would have been in the loony bin. If she's reasonable, she's never available, and I haven't seen an exception since at least high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:21 PM
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I think the odds are pretty good she will bring that up in court to make the case that I am "controlling" and "abusive".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:14 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:12 PM
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My point is that my dating pool seems to be limited to women who think and act impulsively and are therefore dangerous to me and my potential children. Therefore it is better for me to remain single. Where did I imply that I am forced to marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:08 PM
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I don't believe that all women are stupid or insane, however, I do feel very much that only the stupid or insane ones haven't already married better men than me. I am finally happy being single because the available (!) alternatives are worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:54 PM
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If my wife is going to be legally my equal, she must non-negotiably be my intellectual equal. If my wife is stupid or insane, I must be legally responsible for her and enabled to protect her from her own impulses. If I am legally barred from second guessing my wife, as I am in any country not governed by Sharia law, then to marry her in the first place is suicidal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:41 PM
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OP makes a convincing point but he is an LLM so I am disregarding anything he has to say
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:36 AM
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Does that mean I can win if I buy a CTR?
/r/BlackPillScience19/11/24 03:51 AM
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I could tell you this from the week in high school that I went without glasses because they were broken. Instantly treated better than with the glasses. It's my phobia of contacts holding me back, isn't it
/r/BlackPillScience18/11/24 01:31 AM
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A lot of this could be solved by a Match Group antitrust case
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 09:31 AM
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Most Americans stopped reproducing in 2008 due to the recession and those fertility rates haven't come back up. Ultra religious people have continued to reproduce because they see it as a duty to God. 2008 was 16 years ago. In 2026, the first people born to ultra religious/conservative families will come of age and vote for the first time, for the right. Those born to liberal families would also turn 18 and vote in 2026 - but they were never born. We are already seeing this happen in Germany whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:39 AM
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It obviously is or you wouldn't be so obsessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 09:46 PM
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We don't need to solve the problem if we can ignore it and let it fester without any gauge on it until it becomes completely out of control Ok, enjoy your power trip while it lasts
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 09:44 PM
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It's median so if you selected a woman at random from the dataset the most likely n-count she'd have is 4, and if a man it'd be 2. The mean (average) is 11 for women and 8 for men meaning somebody in each category probably threw in a humongous number
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 09:24 PM
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"When you cut out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you are only telling the world that you fear what he might say." Black pill minds can be changed by discussion. They will only be galvanized by censorship. We've seen this with basically every ideology in history, you can burn all the books you like, but their writers will still hold the same beliefs, and you can't change those by force. By censoring groups you see as "toxic" you're just sticking your fingers in your ears and pret…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 09:20 PM
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I blasted through ORAS but I got bored of X and couldn't even finish it. Too much fanservice. I have ideas and knowhow for romhacks, but not the motivation, I'd call myself an armchair dev.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:36 PM
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New games suck, so I've embarked on a quest to 100% gens 1-5, maybe on to 6-7. Maybe by the time I'm done, actually good romhacks will be mostly complete. I have ideas for my own but too lazy to finish.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:29 PM
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Anyways, I don't want him ending up here in 12 or so years. How can it be prevented? You set him up with girls while you can because there's no way in hell he will have the social skills after he graduates to find or win one. He gets way too overstimulated, very rigid in his own ways, and very much in his own world. This was me throughout my entire schooling years, I believed I was right about everything to the point of alienating everyone and I never considered that I was the asshole until I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:24 PM
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I swipe right So you are choosing these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 11:11 PM
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I'd consider chasing pointless dopamine "drugs" for the purposes of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:27 AM
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Not really, one close friend got a gf and doesn't have much time for me and the other just joined the military
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:25 AM
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Didn't say I wanted to, but I gotta adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:22 AM
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Solo activities that will make the next 60 years of single life fulfilling?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:19 AM
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This is my second vacation where I've gone and visited the graves of distant relatives. This time they were closer relatives, i.e. direct ancestors. Both trips I've interviewed local people (rural areas), and neither time has anyone had a clue my branch of the tree ever existed -- there's a local patriarch with my last name, yes, and he's my distant cousin, but my ancestor(s) left town before anyone's memory. The only thing left of them is that stone marker, whom only I know the connection to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 02:46 PM
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Rain for the foreseeable forecast followed by vacation into October. Yep, it's time to start the winter LDAR session
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 05:33 AM
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don't deserve long prison sentences. You're right, they deserve firing squads. Let's hear this tune from you when it's your brother, child, friend who gets killed in a DUI wreck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:44 AM
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It takes two people to make one child, so unless you are having at least 2 children per woman, your population growth is negative because people die faster than they are born. In every country richer than absolute destitution and poverty the birth rate is currently below 2, which is effectively negative. In most of the first world it is 1.5 or lower. China in particular, I just read, is expected to be 2/3 senior citizens in 2040, because of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 01:49 AM
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The population began to grow again because people continued to have children at rates they already were. For the first time in human history we are not reproducing. This is not the same at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 01:37 AM
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I do it to make extra money so I can eventually travel to meet chicks out of the country
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:33 AM
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Can't wait to see the divorce rates among the coomers in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:52 PM
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The lie is most women are overweight. Average weight for a woman in the US was 180 lbs last I checked (vs 170 for men)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:25 PM
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I will vote for whichever party creates the chaos necessary to force them to address it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:09 AM
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Kinda hard to have an "abundance mindset" when I know damn well there is no abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:07 AM
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Germany is a fascinating situation in that they also have a brand new far-left party (BSW) which also took off among under-40s alongside the far right the day it was created. I think more what we're seeing is a rejection of the "way things are" because they aren't working for anyone except the old guard of society. Gender conflict is a factor in this, but it also seems like given no other option, gen Z and millennials will take the far right to shake things up over continuing the horrible status…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 05:45 AM
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My brother in Christ that is wasting time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:58 AM
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I am actively repenting throughout my whole life and will continue to do so. Never ever will I tell a woman that what I've done straight up doesn't matter because Jesus forgave me already so I don't want her forgiveness. Repentance is a process of healing, it can't erase the consequences of sin, David's repentance did not erase Solomon for example, but today's consumer Christians seem to think it does. There is a huge chasm between "please don't judge me" and "I'm sorry." I don't think I've ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:44 AM
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Figured it'd work out just going to college here for cheaper. Spoiler alert: it didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:58 AM
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Repentance means being honest, apologetic, and making a good faith effort to stop doing wrong, and forgiveness is based on that. Making excuses and whining that you're "judging" them is what born again protestant women do, which is why I don't date protestants anymore. That's not repentance, forgiveness, and redemption, that's hiding behind a smokescreen.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:07 AM
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I've complained for years that the young women here leave the state at 18 and you never see them again, leaving all the young men behind. I'm going to eat my words now. The silver lining to that is that because these women left, I didn't have to watch them marry other men and have kids. Until today, when they started bringing home their husbands and month-old children. This is far more painful than simple inability to find anyone single.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:04 AM
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Yes, that's insane, but this also seems like cherry picking. Are the majority of men really like this, and if so, why am I the one struggling if personality is so supposedly important?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:30 PM
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Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:21 PM
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That's what makes them satisfying
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:20 PM
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How exactly can you tell just from looking at them? What sticks out in their profiles that just "tells" you a man is a creep?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:19 PM
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Going by birth rates, Nigeria
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:14 PM
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And now, you don't know who the creeps are until after you've matched them and done a lot more work only to learn they're psychos. Doesn't sound much easier than setting message filters or just ignoring them but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:09 PM
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I as a man wasn't getting messages the old way any more than now, but the difference is back then I could be the one decent message in her inbox. Those days are gone, online women no longer know I exist and there is nothing I can do about it anymore. Last time I found a gf from OLD has been 5 years now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 05:01 PM
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I got two relationships from a dating site before it switched to swipe based, that design is infinitely better. Kiddo doesn't remember that golden age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 04:48 PM
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What is it with dating app women and that trash show New Girl? Why are they all so obsessed with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:30 AM
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If 40% of all airplanes had engine failures, but all of them were Boeing, I would have no qualms getting on an Airbus. Marriage is more of an investment than a gamble.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:40 PM
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I don't think I ever met a man who legitimately believed that at any point in his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:39 PM
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I don't think they started out hating women. I think they were taught from a young age, as boys are, that all women are delicate flowers and want to be treated a certain way, and they're jaded that the reality is different. They feel they've been lied to and don't know what to believe anymore -- it's in this state they become inspired by those who do hate women, and feel that those answers are more realistic. Unfortunately, these are the type of men susceptible to propaganda in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:29 PM
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In general, though. Men who ask questions about why they can't find anyone, are told they're not finding anyone because they're these womanizing pigs that you've just described until proven innocent. I thought this was just a meme until I encountered it IRL not long ago, where I was told about other guys who expressed a general interest in marriage, and how these guys must secretly want all women barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen again. This coming from a girl who converted to a supremely…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:05 PM
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Sure seems to me like the picture you've just painted of these men usually gets applied to all men whether they're like that or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 07:00 PM
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The flip side is "you're insecure."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:13 PM
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Who knows, maybe that situation will deescalate before I get there, anything can happen in 5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:32 PM
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I for one would rather leave for fear of being called a predator for trying to date inside the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:21 PM
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Idk, Romania and Bulgaria don't look like powder kegs to me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:18 PM
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Remote job right now will let me work in 43 states, so that'll carry me while I'm in the country. After that, set up a home base in New Hampshire to work enough to keep my job (and avoid visa overstays) but spend as much time off as I'm allowed in Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:09 PM
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Road trip the states til I hit 30, then the Baltics and Balkans til 35. Decent plan? Chances of finding anyone worthwhile?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:06 PM
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For me, it was my parents way more than the teachers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 02:45 AM
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Can confirm, was always way ahead of everyone until about 10th grade and couldn't learn anymore past that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 02:41 AM
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Anything there worth doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:19 PM
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Still fishing for brief vacation options west of the Mississippi. Bonus points if there are substantial numbers of women there to be rejected by.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:06 PM
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Men who want this are "unhealthy" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:35 AM
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Going to spend a few weekdays on some kind of vacations. Help me brainstorm things to do west of the Mississippi, preferably which will lead to social opportunity
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:45 AM
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She seems legit in all other respects.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:24 PM
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Ironically this woman had converted to the single most conservative Christian sect possible, this was a religious conference
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 07:17 PM
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Girl complained to me the other day about men she met at a convention we were at (which was themed around what a relationship should be) being honest that they wanted to marry. She said that actually wanting to marry as opposed to going with the flow and it just happening, is misogynistic and echoes of centuries past where women didn't get any choice in anything and everyone hated them. Her words, not mine. How common is this sentiment really?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 06:49 PM
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Ask your nearest old couple how it has worked out for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:35 PM
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Anyone else the only person they know whose schedule isn't completely packed?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 04:02 AM
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Probably the same reason the men who are waiting until marriage can't find women who want to wait. Whatever that reason might be... doesn't seem to be rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 08:45 PM
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They are all owned by one corporation which could be taken out by one antitrust case insh'Allah
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:43 PM
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Did somebody finally file that suit?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:35 PM
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For all that people especially women talk about how important communication is, does anyone else feel like being honest and not playing mind games turns women off? e.g. they kind of want to just realize they're in a relationship after a while vs figuring out as a couple exactly what they are and what the future is
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:18 PM
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Financial institution screws customer, episode 53324788
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:13 PM
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Can't get much worse than zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:44 AM
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Everything most women tend to wear to fancy events looks like they are freezing to death in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:43 AM
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We can't do it and that's the reason we cry about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:36 AM
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A normie would deny there is a deep state
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:20 AM
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I wish arranged marriages were socially acceptable for exactly this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:12 AM
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Option 1 every day of the week
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:02 AM
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Online doctors or unlicensed pharmacists?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:01 AM
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Anywhere I've ever gone is just full of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:49 PM
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Good enough is good enough for me, I never believed that anyone out there is just this perfect one who just clicks. The problem I feel is I'm not good enough and I never will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:40 PM
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I'm sick and tired of the song and dances and "game" that dating has become. I just want to find my person and marry her. Why is that such a taboo idea now?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:50 PM
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Honestly that's the issue with everyone. Dating today is reactive and not proactive, just taking what we can get instead of planning for the future. So having a 5 year plan doesn't get us anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:56 PM
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I can offer that til the end of time but it doesn't seem to be much advantage, in fact it seems to actively work against me. So I question whether women as a group align with what individual women claim they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:49 PM
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I don't see women complaining about not finding relationships any more than I do complaining about not getting sex, so I'm not so sure it's entirely on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:42 PM
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That's true, but those are typically conflated with each other and are equally impossible to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:37 PM
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Study came out just this week correlating long term singleness directly to early death, so yes, we do
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:27 PM
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Y'know it might have been different if I could've laughed because my gf is so much better than her, but I don't have one, so all I can feel is envy of what I wouldn't even want. That's no fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:08 PM
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I'd say it comes from being the only thing in our lives that is completely out of our control, so all we can do is complain and hope someone helps. Anything else can be worked on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:18 PM
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Name a better country
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:12 PM
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you're doing the wrong activities then You can't just say this without suggesting some of the "right" activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:08 PM
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Nothing like a long plane ride with the girls across the aisle talking for the ENTIRE FLIGHT about how hot their boyfriends and exes are oh and one just became a christian teehee :) god fucking dammit this is a red eye flight i wanna sleep
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:36 AM
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Beer garden sounds like my kind of place, but also I'm a west coast beer snob
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:14 AM
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Are you saying they'll be there or I should take someone there?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:06 AM
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Lol I got no clue who those people are
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:36 PM
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Are sports that big there? I'd stick out like a sore thumb, I don't follow sports at all
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:31 PM
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Thinking of spending a week in Minnesota/Wisconsin. What's good stuff to do in those areas, especially which would put me in front of as many approachable women as possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:29 PM
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Where do you even go to find anyone to approach outside of college?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:18 PM
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I guess that would have kind of been a flyover state itself
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:16 PM
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Vegas?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 09:25 PM
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Can they have kids? If so hell I'd even prefer this to a normal woman because they'd be more relatable and I could still start a family with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 06:52 PM
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Where exactly have you been? Maybe I'd believe that if not age adjusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 06:37 PM
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What is it with religious girls complaining about the lack of men in church when I see the complete opposite everywhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 03:20 PM
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There aren't any. Sex ratio is 4:1 everywhere I've been in the 18-65 range.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 07:24 AM
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Any tips for where women <30 would be hanging out IRL in these places?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 07:14 AM
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I'm a religious guy and I sure as hell won't find that there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 06:25 AM
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Lol, no You don't know the pain and no amount of explaining it will get it across, so yes let's consider it sarcasm for our purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 05:49 AM
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Friend of mine said travel stops e.g. hostels are a good place to meet Europeans, do you concur?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 05:35 AM
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Spoken like someone with a healthy social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 05:34 AM
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Okay but where in the United States would be a good place to hang out for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 05:33 AM
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Might as well jump right off a bridge then
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:52 AM
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Latvia and Lithuania? I can tell you right now one of the countries you are probably thinking of sent all their women to Germany and there's no way in hell they're going home
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:52 AM
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Who needs the Philippines when I already live on the west coast? Not interested in getting laid either, I want the kind of family my father had.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:50 AM
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Preferably European ones, but potentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:48 AM
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I've decided it's time I pour every ounce of time, effort, and resources I have into finding a wife. What places should I travel to for the highest chance of finding someone marriageable?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 04:47 AM
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When 5'8" "average" just doesn't seem average
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 11:32 PM
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The town I live in is an open air retirement home and I can't afford vacation yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 07:31 PM
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I would if I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 07:25 PM
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This girl is the first I have seen in literal years who I would consider anything serious with. Practice in that is extremely scarce.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 07:17 PM
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Friends' sisters mostly who I had no intention of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 07:10 PM
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I was astronomically lucky I met this girl online to start with, I doubt there will be an "again and again and again", sorry bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 06:52 PM
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After years of learning to talk to women, I finally get a date for the first time in years, and all that confidence goes out the window. In retrospect, I think I know why. I've been trained for years, both by society and my own sour grapes attitude, that I'm not allowed to like girls, and when I do I feel like I'm committing a crime. I was careful with what I said, I didn't want to get too deep in conversation, I didn't want to make prolonged eye contact, and it was the same instinct with which …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 06:48 PM
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and then 15 years after the fact went to Switzerland to get euthanized because she couldn't live with the trauma
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 10:23 PM
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That may be true, but a green card can't be that bad compared to other countries, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 10:33 PM
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Still worth trying in my opinion. Worst they can say is no, and if that happens, you can marry the American first and get in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 08:07 PM
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What obstacles have they put up to make it harder?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 08:02 PM
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Is it really? How much red tape are they putting up now?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 07:56 PM
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You will have very little female competition in the rural US, go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 07:30 PM
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A little bit of poison can do a lot of damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 04:36 PM
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Nope, Whitehorse
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 04:12 AM
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Can't be a leader without followers, and they're not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:22 AM
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3 days in Canada was enough to see how much more sociable of a place it is. Now I wonder what to tell the border guards if I want to go back just to talk to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 01:21 AM
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Arab church but everyone at mine including myself is an American convert
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 04:52 PM
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Eastern ortho
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 02:34 AM
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Me but even the church girls aren't up for it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 02:06 AM
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most men are not single. 70% are in a relationship. 70% are not* in a relationship, you have no doubt been told this over and over again
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:38 PM
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friends, family, being more open with emotions, book clubs, hobbies, meeting other people. These things do not exist for men. Men are trained that they are not wanted in public for the most part unless they are working, and we have gone "okay" and checked out as a group. Just adapting to the times.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 07:50 PM
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Bantz =/= hate/discrimination
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 03:45 AM
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Self employment ftw
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 06:37 PM
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All of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 06:12 PM
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According to census data in multiple countries yes, except for boomers
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:16 AM
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More men than women in the dating age range, by about 20% on a good day
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 02:04 AM
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I am already in that position with my granddad and my parents won't be far behind. That is unavoidable and I sure as hell wouldn't condemn them to the nursing home. I do want to travel around while I still can but I really don't know where the dating pool is any better - the local city is certainly a sausage fest and it sounds like the same is true anywhere west of the Mississippi.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 01:16 AM
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I bought my current cabin (and the land for this house) 4 years ago expecting to be married and raising a toddler by now. Since I've spent that time single, I've realized the place feels empty and dead with just myself and my own thoughts. I've learned I can't enjoy things unless I can show someone how cool they are, and I don't even have close friends to fill that hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 01:14 AM
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I already own the land this would be built on. I'm currently looking at international or at least interstate travel for extended periods to find a wife, which would cost money I might need to pay for the house, but also the house might be a make or break for that....
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 01:08 AM
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My parents live literally a mile from the place and I expect to inherit it when they're gone. I can upgrade their place with all those things if it's just myself there. In the meantime I don't really have much objection to renting their basement, I already spend a lot of time over there. I don't even see myself enjoying something cool like a game room or whatever with no one to share it with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 01:05 AM
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Trying to get a house built next year but I keep second guessing myself. What's the point of having that house if it's just gonna be me and the cat? If I won't be raising a family in that house then what's the point of having it? Sure, I can just sell it when I get too old to date, but will the mortgage payments take money away from the travel I need to date? But also I don't see construction costs going down, so maybe putting it off would be bad for me? Anyone got some advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:59 AM
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Only men face romantic scarcity at a level never before seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:48 AM
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Next time you find one too religious for you send her my way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:01 AM
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Report back when she discovers the food in your kitchen
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 02:53 AM
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We should triple their salary for their hard work
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 02:51 AM
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Nah I think that'd make me feel even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:18 AM
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Good copes for living without a family of my own the next 50+ years?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:17 AM
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There's an ethical way to farm and factory farming isn't it, but many animals wouldn't be farmed at all except for meat. Best way to go is give them the best life they can have with lots of space, green pastures etc., then harvest for protein before something else kills them anyway. The breeds of chicken designed for meat for example, if not eaten by a certain time in their life, will die of sheer obesity shortly after that time no matter what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 04:05 PM
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The animals would never have been born in the first place if we weren't farming them. They get to have life to start with because we like meat. Entire breeds of cow exist that would never make it in the wild. Meat is murder, but vegetarianism is genocide.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 03:58 PM
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Always had a fivehead, never changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 03:35 PM
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At least she's honest
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:32 PM
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Bought keyboard dusters the other day. Register asks how old I am, cashier laughs, types in 1983. At the age of 24, someone thinks it's reasonable that I might be 41. It's over.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:08 PM
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how difficult it is to match with a guy who [meets my arbitrary subjective standards] Call me when you are matching one man a month at all otherwise this is a false equivalence
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:54 PM
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lalala none of that is true because my feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:50 PM
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I knew it was over for me when I didn't get asked. Sophomore year of high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:20 PM
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Confession for atheists
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:58 PM
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Can confirm from dating fat girls, every single one had this traumatic childhood. At least one told me to my face she liked me because I look like the man who molested her.
/r/BlackPillScience10/06/24 11:55 PM
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I look pretty damn good for someone twice my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:33 PM
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I'll expand on that. Living life by the seat of your pants is a recipe for disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:32 PM
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Met a girl at a dance class my friend dragged me to years ago. A while later I went in for a doctor's appointment at a random office and she was literally the nurse there. I can never tell if she's flirting, but she measured me at 5'7". 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:16 PM
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Kazakhstan IIRC
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 07:09 PM
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Nothing will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:24 AM
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Funny, that's how I see bluepillers. Seems to me like there's no women outside college campuses in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:56 PM
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Are any of our troubles and arguments even a thing outside the USA or is this entire debacle an Anglosphere circlejerk?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:30 PM
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"Women are 50% of the population" my ass. How are numbers like this possible? https://preview.redd.it/sut8qwu5y03d1.png?width=652&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c7209aca990098d91f120bbf724c12e19f3af55
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 07:56 PM
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30,000 years ago try 3000 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 07:35 PM
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Which one is a wealthy man marrying Wealthy men aren't known for discretion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 02:59 AM
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Ok, so you're selfish and naturally don't understand caring about other people. So what drives you? What goals do you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:36 AM
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But it does amount to something when those final moments are spent with those who will carry your torch when you are gone, as opposed to dying unceremoniously in a home with no one to care
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:30 AM
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Vermont is one of the few places still showing a facade of standing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:28 AM
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What fulfillment is there in "living for yourself" or whatever platitude women always have when your life goal is the betterment of the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:25 AM
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Amish are projected to become the majority of the US population by 2100
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 12:35 AM
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You're not even reading the articles you're posting. The data shows a worse situation than I even speculated. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:45 PM
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Bro it's right in big text at the top of your page Although the overall sex ratio for unmarried adults in the United States was about 90 men per 100 women, the 30-to-34 age group had the highest ratio at nearly 121 men to 100 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:36 PM
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Non-age-adjusted yes because geriatric women tend to be widows. In the under-40 bracket there's about a 5% overage of men everywhere except for the most violent hoods where the men are dead in war conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:31 PM
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There are not enough women in the population for every man to have a wife of his own. Historically nobody noticed this because there would typically be a war removing some percentage of the excess men, but this hasn't happened at least in the west since Vietnam, and for obvious reasons nobody wants to fight another war. There are a couple alternatives. One is so-called "age gap relationships" where men in their 30s marry women in their 20s which are more numerous than those in their 30s...except…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:20 PM
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Sex before marriage is the same as cheating in a marriage and the healing process is the same. Fite me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:08 PM
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You can get in trouble for this stuff, I’ve told him before it should stop. laughs in American
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:43 PM
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Insta is full of weirdos all the way around,. partly because that's where the women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:42 AM
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Onlyfans is becoming so normalized that some men think they can 1) just offer cash to anyone and/or 2) that's the only way they're gonna get any. Or, they could have been a scammer, that's equally common.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:38 AM
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Well, I sure learned not to let on how lonely I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:48 PM
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No, I'm asking about the ratio of women to men in the general population in the 18-35 age range. I observe there aren't that many women out in public, I hear it from other men, but we are told we're crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:35 PM
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What's the gender ratio in the marriage age range in your region?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:14 PM
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Every church I've ever been to is a sausage fest in the 18-35 demographic and I've been hearing (but can't confirm) that statistics are reflecting that nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:51 PM
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When the church volunteer program targeted at women advertises that there are plenty of young men in the town they'd be stationed at, and you know damn well they would never do that in the reverse, partly because there's nowhere it'd be true
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:18 PM
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But generally speaking, in Anglo common law countries, even severely intoxicated people are legally considered capable of consenting to sex. Not in Canada, I know that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:19 AM
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Were women to "unsex" themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become the most hateful, heathen, and disgusting of beings and would surely perish without male protection. --Queen Victoria, the most powerful woman who ever lived
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 07:49 PM
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Those old games can still be played.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:26 AM
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1.0 birth per woman halves the population every generation, because they also need to replace the father. This is negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:10 PM
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1.8 is negative. Stable population is at least 2.0
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:06 PM
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North Korea's birth rate, while double South Korea's, is still below replacement rate and dropping, and its supreme leader who is seen as literally god broke down crying last year begging women to have children. There doesn't seem to be much correlation of birth rates with autocracy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:01 PM
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For men, video games are a symptom, not a cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 02:55 PM
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But the question is WHY is this the case. Women in the work force causing stagnating wages? Double the workers, halve the wage, this is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 02:50 AM
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What is dating and social culture like in your non-American country?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:56 PM
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1-2 years time Nothing, it's been going on longer than that. 100-200 years All else being equal the Amish are projected to become the majority of the US population because nobody else is having kids anymore, not even the Mormons.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:10 PM
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43% of people, or 43% of those in relationships? Also, why the disparity where 50% of the women are dating friends while only 35% of men are?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 01:45 AM
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Start going to church, any church. Another trend among Gen Z, recently studied, is that men are flocking there and women aren't. I'd like to think that's a safer environment than just approaching people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:04 PM
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Where are the other people dating? Younger women are barely even in public anymore and I'm not the only man who's noticed. My good looking, socially competent friend went straight to Hinge.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:59 PM
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That's more or less what I'm saying. Gen Z only dates through apps. The rest (the majority) aren't dating at all. Too much risk of not just rejection but public shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:53 PM
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This guy thinks the government sees him as people
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:49 PM
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I've noticed immediately, years ago when I briefly signed up for a dating app, there was not even a smidge of commitment-oriented material on these men's profiles. Gen Z, our generation, does not date outside apps, which is why you made no mention of finding men anywhere else. And this is the reason things are so bad. I for one have had it drilled into me for years that women in public (on the rare occasion that I even see one in redneck town) are out and about to take care of business, they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:46 PM
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You're single because your standards are too high! For all the shit I gotta put up with just to find a woman, she better be worth it all when and if I find her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:38 PM
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And who the fuck would think "I want a virgin or its a no go", that would eliminate so many women out of the equation. Wasn't that long ago that this was a reasonable ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 03:34 PM
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There is no one in the real world or I for one wouldn't be here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 05:22 AM
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Watching yet another crush get engaged to someone better than me. I keep telling myself I have another 15 years before I hit middle age, but I don't know how much more of this I can take.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:21 AM
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Countries with healthy, less toxic dating cultures? Gonna explore the world before I die and I might as well start with those
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 11:09 PM
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Women experiencing consequences for their actions is Afghanistan tier oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:53 PM
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Welcome to the Middle East, where men fight for 72 virgins in heaven because they aren't getting any here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:21 AM
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Because that's what we were told from the age of 7
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 10:05 PM
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I was like 16 when this happened so I don't exactly remember every word, but I do remember that school staff at the time told me college was my priority (I would go on to quit college), and other teenagers would give me weird looks when I insinuated I was looking for something longer term. I was falsely accused (and found innocent) of harassment at the ages of 15, 17, and 20, by girls I hadn't really spoken to. I really haven't tried since. At 19 I joined a new church with lots of old people, lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:49 PM
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I did. I didn't have my priorities straight. That my career came first. That the one would just appear when the time was right. I learned that I was a predator and couldn't be trusted around anyone. I think I don't come across to people as the type of guy who would even want a relationship. So when I express that I really do, maybe it confuses people? Idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:30 PM
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The entire point I was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:19 PM
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Tinder is not touching grass. Tinder is not a place women can be found and approached or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:15 PM
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I said the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:13 PM
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Every time I say there's literally nowhere in the real world where single women seem to exist, everyone tells me it's in my head and I'm not paying attention or some similar tripe. Well, r/dating_advice is part of my home feed and I think 10-20% of the posts now are exactly that question, "where the hell are all the girls?" So I can't be the only crazy one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:50 PM
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I think you're confusing the cause with the effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:26 PM
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I find it very hard to believe that people would react negatively to a simple "I am not happy being single" You are demonstrating it. I am not happy being single, therefore I believe women are all trash whores who demand 6-6-6 despite being 500lbs, that's what you appear to believe based on my limited interaction with you. That vocal minority does not speak for me and it does not speak for most men, it speaks only for those men who have become bitter and seek to blame someone else. For me, I sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 06:20 PM
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I learned very quickly and very young that being a man and having minimal standards such as personal responsibility causes people to put such words in my mouth as you have put in men's mouths as a group. That's why I quit talking about it outside anonymous places like this. I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 06:10 PM
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If someone dares say "I am perfectly happy being single", they are immediately attacked and told that human beings cannot exist in isolation, we all need other humans, we would die if we are alone and sexless and if you don't need a partner then why don't you just go and live in a cave for the rest of your days. That's funny, because when I say "I am not happy being single", I am immediately attacked and told I'm not entitled to someone's affection, that I need to love myself first, I can live p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 05:54 PM
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If one is skewed heavily with an average of 5, and the other is more distributed with an average of 5, they still have the same average. This could be misleading without median and/or mode, which could be different. I'm willing to bet women have a higher median due to hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 03:30 PM
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Ok now try median
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 03:21 PM
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Y'know why I don't talk about this stuff in the real world? I learned in high school, when I reached out and asked for help, that I didn't have my priorities straight. That my career came first. That the one would just appear when the time was right. I learned that I was a predator and couldn't be trusted around anyone. To this day, I don't dare admit to anyone how lonely I am, barely even to my closest friends and certain not to my community. The last time I asked for help, all I got was shame.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 05:15 AM
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Gee thanks ChatGPT
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 12:40 AM
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The stat is understandably confusing since women quite literally outnumber men in the US. Stopped reading here. This is not controlled for age and there are only more women because men die younger and more people are old than young. 63-34% is specifically for the 18-29 age bracket. In the Pew study, single men still outnumber single women (but not nearly as much) in every single age bracket except the oldest one, where women are widowed. If you are going to start with a false equivalence, I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 06:11 PM
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There is a 50 million surplus in China alone. It's way worse than that globally.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:56 PM
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Can glasses make or break a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:35 AM
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Maybe people in general would be more approachable, instead of men being afraid of being creepy or otherwise. Empathy would mean knowing the difference between someone with bad intentions and someone with no social experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 08:22 PM
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I don't think they're naturally less empathetic, more that they are used to attention and people wanting to help them and empathize with them that they don't really learn to feel for others because they don't need to. Women who face any amount of difficulty in their life probably do learn empathy and are just as capable of it as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 08:13 PM
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Y'all wanna talk about confidence? I got all dressed up today to try and chat up some girls in the airport. Stopped at a gas station, bought a coffee, spilled it all over myself immediately. FML
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:04 PM
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Even worse, I'm in Alaska. I think about moving a lot but I'm never sure of where is worth moving to, and either way I want to bring someone back with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 12:28 AM
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There are no women near me to approach, so no. Girls graduate high school, go to college out of state, and never return, and everyone left behind is old. My hometown (let alone region) is dying of old age and 1/3 of the job market in the region is medical for that reason. So yeah. Anytime I travel I realize I live in the boomerest boomerville that ever boomed. I want to make the most of the situation while I'm somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 12:16 AM
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End goal would be a normal relationship, but there would be a long distance stage in the meantime. I'm used to long distance since I live pretty far afield.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 12:09 AM
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Going to be flying a lot next week, what's the best way to approach girls in airports?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:52 PM
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Used to be premium membership to send more than 55 first contacts in a day. IIRC they dropped that number to almost zero. Something they did to monetize what had been a free feature.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 02:06 AM
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It exists, but it's unrecognizable. They gimped the search function, paywalled messaging, and at one time (not sure they still do) they added a camming section. It's a complete cesspit now with nobody on it, the worst platform short of outright scam sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 02:01 AM
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6 years I believe it. I had success on PoF 6 years ago. It was murdered by Match Group in 2020.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 08:12 PM
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Basically every woman I've come across the last several years goes out of her way to defend her decisions and to call me the bad guy for asking for an apology. Evangelicalism, not even once
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 06:08 PM
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Hooking up is a relationship No I meant an actual relationship No true scotsman right out of the textbook, please define an "actual relationship" as opposed to your opponent's clear definition of a "non-actual relationship"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 06:07 PM
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No true scotsman
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:58 PM
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The classic pig woman experiment would like a word with you. Men will date anything that moves. Women project their own desire for good looks onto men and doll themselves up to be "attractive" oftentimes to the point of making themselves look even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 04:34 AM
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Women believe men care as much about looks as they do, so they try to appeal to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 04:02 AM
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Practicing medicine without a license (as you are doing) is a crime in all 50 states. Practicing law without a license is also a crime, and by disclaiming that I am not a lawyer I am not committing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 09:34 PM
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I won't take anything less.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:13 AM
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They think free love means everyone loves everyone and relationships aren't bilateral.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 01:26 AM
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When even the priest tells you to see a doctor about depression
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 11:20 PM
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That's what debt prisons used to be for
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 11:18 PM
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I have little doubt about my ability to win a girl if I could FIND a single one. Instead I'm headed for alcoholism. I can't take this much longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 06:26 AM
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Census data is faked and the real gender ratio is at least 3 males for every female. CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 06:55 PM
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I won't know until I try, and my options for "things to try" are running thin, giving me long shot ideas like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 09:16 PM
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I am a settled person, I own my own place, but I chose to get a place in the town where I grew up while everyone under 60 split the state. So now I'm wondering where all the 20 somethings even are and the road trip is to answer that question: where in North America isn't boomerville?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 09:09 PM
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Road trip is for finding out where even to move to. No point moving if the place I move is the same as here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:23 PM
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Preferably white, but I'm sort of keeping my options open.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:12 PM
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I'm eyeing Quebec and the bordering US states. I'm of some partial French ancestry and just about everyone I really "click" with (including the few dating app matches I've ever got) has turned out to be as well, and I wonder if that's a coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:10 PM
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Let's start with physically healthy (as in, no chronic illnesses at 25) and some sense of responsibility. High bar, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:06 PM
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This town is an open air nursing home and everyone I've talked to makes it sound like everywhere but Midtown Manhattan is the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:49 PM
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Planning a cross continent road trip looking for one (1) wife material girl. Where should I add to the itinerary, in the US or Canada?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:45 PM
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Women are preferred for jobs over men because they are willing to work for less
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 04:38 AM
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Evokes Genesis 2:22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. i.e. woman is the image of man
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 04:35 AM
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Sounds like Schopenhauer or Weininger.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 04:33 AM
2

3/4 of violent criminals grew up in single mother households
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 01:54 AM
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Most men aren't getting further than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 02:42 AM
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There are no women around me to talk to, so I am lucky when I even do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 04:03 PM
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Family. Children. Making memories of holidays with all the grandkids running around the house with Christmas carols playing. Oh wait, I'm thinking beyond next week, so no one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 04:26 AM
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I'd take it less seriously if chats with women even got beyond "hi" more than once or twice a year, so I'm lucky even to get blown off like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 04:24 AM
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what moral system would even call this wrong? Whatever system women are following that teaches them I'm "judgemental" for caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 04:09 AM
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Double shot of vodka for me tonight, what are y'all having?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 07:13 AM
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What's popular with millennials and Z? I went to Vegas last year and everyone was old
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 03:14 AM
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Yeah let me just pull some water out of this desert sand real quick. There are no social connections to be had in 2024, everyone is working all the time and standoffish
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 03:12 AM
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Yep, remote job. I could take it anywhere, but I get the impression other places aren't much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 03:09 AM
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Family stares at screens all the time when I see them, rarely see my friends at all. Not really a substitute for a relationship, but I don't remember the last time I saw a woman in her 20s in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 03:07 AM
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Finally hit the point where I physically feel like I'm gonna die from isolation. Thanks, society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 02:35 AM
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I don't think it's that deep. It's just defending bad decisions instead of owning up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 11:53 PM
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Nothing like having a rare conversation with the opposite sex for once in a blue moon only to remember I never know what to say. It's over
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:28 PM
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I would if I lived in town
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:27 PM
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Claim you had a Hispanic grandmother, they can't prove you didn't
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 11:27 PM
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I'd be happy to explain it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 05:01 PM
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Time for me to buy them while they're down!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:59 PM
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I'd like to answer that but I don't know enough about you to give a good answer
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:56 PM
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That woman actually did end it all last year or the year before because of the trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:42 PM
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People who didn't wait are committed by then and no longer "on the market". You're then left to date people who are substantially younger, which may be difficult as well for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 06:40 AM
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The women our age aren't going to get any younger or more available in the future either. If OP wastes all this time "discovering himself", he will eventually find the women his age are all married/committed to other men who didn't wait. I have lived this experience and deeply regret all the time I spent focusing on education. Also, I can't believe that study is already a year old now, it's gotta be even worse by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:02 AM
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All these things I have that got me into relationships aren't really that important guys
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 03:59 AM
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This is great until no one is left to date because you waited too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 03:12 AM
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Women can do no wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:23 AM
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This except Fox and believing people at large are "seeing the light"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 06:27 PM
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Society at large doesn't like women having any sense of responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 01:02 AM
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A woman from a random village in Russia will definitely have different expectations than a woman from a huge city like Moscow. I think a more pertinent question is: does providing matter or status symbols i.e. rich men with a nice car and a boat vs. equally rich men who hide their wealth in assets but have no trouble providing? I ask you specifically because I've considered going to some of these random villages to look
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 12:02 AM
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I got online other than apps. Lol as if there were girls outside instagram
/r/seduction30/01/24 11:55 PM
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I hope you remember that when there's not enough nurses to wipe your ass when you're old because they were never born.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:31 PM
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No, that's not really an option in the west. But I would try and find someone to introduce them to, set them up. If anyone had ever done that for me I might not be in PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 04:06 AM
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Having missed out on high school relationships myself, I'd just shift to taking a more proactive role in finding them spouses before they have to feel the pain I've had to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:31 AM
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What exactly draws 20-somethings to a few unaffordable cities these days? What cities have you seen this in?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:29 AM
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No amount of self improvement helps if there are no women to meet. I believe most of them are too busy paying insurmountable student debt to be out dating. Everyone I meet offline who isn't running a cash register or something is 40+. Is this anyone else's experience or just a function of where I live?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 03:25 AM
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That's what I'm planning on tonight since I've got that stuff on hand
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:02 AM
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In context no, because the point you were making is that most people care about virginity because they are Christians, when they generally don't and generally aren't, although in the US many claim to be because it's still fashionable here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 05:00 AM
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That's what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:57 AM
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What're y'all's favorite drinks? Trying to forget how lonely and hopeless I am
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:56 AM
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No, just the US. In Western Europe almost nobody below a certain age is Christian. Even in the USA you can go to church and observe most people actually there are boomers, but younger people are more likely to identify as Christians than in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:53 AM
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Work, mostly. All the women there are married, and I don't think boba is popular where I live, but maybe I'll try going there next time I'm out of the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:01 AM
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They don't seem to be off the internet either, everyone I see in public is old or male
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:47 AM
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Where are all the girls? Am I the only one that just doesn't even see them in my daily life?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:22 AM
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OP reaches Schopenhauer's conclusions but doesn't understand them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:14 AM
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I'm glad the government is corrupt and money seeking and not actually competent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 11:40 PM
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That'll add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 03:46 AM
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ITT: Compassionate open minded free thinkers tell a third worlder his culture is inferior
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 09:58 PM
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Reddits relationship advice subs are littered with people in their mid to late 20's who are only just getting off the academic treadmill and getting their first apartments and then wondering how to start looking for a date, I think the academic treadmill is the only thing that kept them from noticing everyone their age disappeared when they graduated high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:11 PM
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"30 is the new 20" has become the motto of Gen Z for some reason and all the 20s ambition is lost on them. College is expected to last the whole decade. It's not infantilization per se, but it's extended adolesence, and I for one am going to find a way to profit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:05 PM
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The Muslim thing applies more to Europe. In the US, the only people reproducing are the Amish, who are less likely to claim political power, but are rapidly gaining in population numbers and at the very least will become a major economic sector. Mormons have a high fertility rate as well, but also a high attrition rate as a religious group.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:01 AM
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That is men's fault and it does need to stop. Women should also withhold sex from those men instead of believing they can be fixed or otherwise just blaming men without taking any action.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 11:01 PM
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Call me a fascist, but you have yet to call me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:54 PM
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Women can keep their rights by having enough kids to maintain the voting/military power of the feminist bloc against patriarchal groups like Muslims who will continue to breed like rabbits. Again, if Muslims have 4 kids per woman and Westerners use their rights to have 0-1, eventually Muslims will become the majority of the population and vote to take women's rights away. Rights aren't free, they come with a price and responsibility, which most people have forgotten.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:51 PM
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It ain't up to me, women are the ones choosing to have kids or not, and they are mostly using their freedom to not have kids. My role in that is ultimately going to be up to women's mate choices, and that's the main reason redpillers are bringing this up: women aren't giving men what they want (relationships and marriage), and in turn women won't get what they want either (stability) because the population pyramid has inverted and will continue to do so and wreak social and economic havoc in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:45 PM
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If Muslims have 4 kids each and Westerners have 1 then said Islamic revolution is inevitable simply because the majority of the population will eventually follow Islam. This is the likely outcome in Europe. In the USA the Amish are projected to become a massive percentage of the population by century's end just because they're the only group still having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:39 PM
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No idea where to go that would be any better, or I might. If PPD is to be believed women are hard to find outside of NYC Toronto and Chicago, all places I'd rather stay single than live in. As for passport -- Southeast Asia is basically my backyard on the west coast, but I don't know how much cultural friction there would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 09:15 PM
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Not intentionally they're not, but innovators making better products are a threat to old money corps so they get regulated out of business, cf. OpenAI whining to Congress.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:11 PM
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you’re already in a regular routine in your life as a grown adult. I would dispute that, I haven't really established myself yet and I'm still kind of finding a life path through trial and error. I quit college twice and I'm currently trying a third time. I would have loved to share my youth and experiences with someone my own age, but I found there was no one out there, "my boyfriend" in high school rapidly became "my husband" in the first round of college, and when I quit and tried the real wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:59 PM
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Rural state which women leave the second they are old enough and have an excuse, and nowhere to meet the few who stay. I've actually heard on here there's nowhere to meet women at all outside of NYC, Toronto, and Chicago, which surprises me too but also seems strangely believable in a digital addicted society. I feel like all socialization has moved to instagram which is a space I feel no desire to join.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:37 PM
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Israel is the exception, but that's because of ultraconservative groups there with 9 kids propping the numbers up
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:28 PM
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Sacrifice for children is lost on women, I see
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:26 PM
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The trend in my small city is that girls turn 18 and leave the state for college never to return. I have a few male friends in my age range but I know zero girls in their 20s, because of this. She did make a comment last I saw her about "I may not be here next year" which makes me think she too will follow that path and I'll never see her again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:55 PM
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24
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:45 PM
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Friend is not really the word to describe him. It's just an old guy at church.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:16 PM
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I know a man with a daughter. I thought she was a teenager, but I found out recently she is in fact 18 now and the more I learn the more I feel like it'd be a match. Despite being on great terms with her father, I'm realizing she and I both are probably too introverted to make anything happen, or at least I'm afraid of screwing it up like I always do. This is the first woman I've even met since 2020. FML
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:13 PM
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Women, aren't you cold wearing short clothes all the time? I feel cold just looking at you even in the most formal dresses
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:20 AM
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How many men have you met that said this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:40 AM
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especially men in the redpill community Are you referring to tiktok grifters? These men are a caricature for entertainment, don't form a picture of men based on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:38 AM
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All the relationships I've had since graduating high school have been with morbidly obese women. As compatibility goes, we get along a lot better. I'm concerned though that if it worked out a pregnancy would be dangerous. I don't care about social stigma, as a religious nut I already am a walking stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:34 AM
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it's not normal to be single for years and years. A woman wrote this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 06:28 AM
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Where are you finding guys? 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 05:07 AM
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1,968 assaults occurred in a state of 3 million people therefore all men are rapists
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:17 PM
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South Korea is the most feminist country in the world and has (had, anyway) an entire government ministry dedicated to it the likes of which the West has never seen. A recent study found something like 2/3 of women don't want to marry or have kids. Hell, the government was run by a bona fide feminist death cult not that long ago. Japan meanwhile maintains its famous long-hours work culture which, thanks to feminism, women are now expected to participate in meaning they have no time to raise kids…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 04:27 PM
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You're leaving out most of the argument for propaganda reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 02:49 AM
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Plenty of us have taken this advice and found it useless, myself for three years.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 11:55 PM
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If your problems are so simple that therapy solves them, they aren't real problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 11:21 PM
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What did you think the family law system is for?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 06:56 AM
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Then all possible measures should be taken to make up for it instead of dropping them like a hot potato. Again, if you're assuming the marriage will end one day when you go in, it's not a real marriage and it shouldn't be treated like one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:27 AM
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Commitment and union
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:10 AM
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Until the 60s in plenty of states it was so extreme that you had to convince the state legislature to grant you a divorce. It was taken extremely seriously. There may be valid reasons but I definitely propose requiring an actual reason e.g. infidelity, rather than "irreconcilable differences" that should have been resolved before marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:03 AM
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There's a relationship, and there's a marriage. Relationships do not require commitment. Marriage, by the definition everyone before us used, requires commitment. By breaking it off before you married you did right, if you don't think it's going to work out then you shouldn't marry. "Let's see how it goes" is extremely destructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 01:11 AM
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Yes, in a marriage the spouse's concerns come before yours. This was common sense until self centeredness became encouraged by society. If you're in a relationship because it suits you, and the other person is convenient or nice to have around, that isn't a marriage and shouldn't be called one. That's using someone else for your gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 01:04 AM
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There it is again, it's all about me, who cares why the spouse isn't happy, there's no point mending it, just dump them and find another! Rugged individualism and its consequences are a disaster for the human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:59 AM
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Prenups are generally treated like toilet paper in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:56 AM
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The other part is being legally/officially partnered up. This too only matters for third parties and demonstrates zero commitment. It says nothing to the spouse and only tells the state you're partnered. That's not a marriage, it's a piece of paper, and 21st century secular "marriages" are mostly this way. No wonder the divorce rate is outrageous. It's not about care and commitment to the spouse anymore, it's completely based on narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:54 AM
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So it's a show for third parties?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:49 AM
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What is marriage to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:46 AM
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This usually happens in the first place because of poor mate choice to begin with. Yes, it's true, but people marry just as easily as they divorce now and it's not always a good idea. Far better is for the marriage to be carefully considered (I know, a wild idea in a world built on "good vibes") and if it's not a good match for those children never to be born in the first place to get screwed over. If divorce goes back to being a rarity instead of handed out like candy, toxic and irresponsible p…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:45 AM
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I, I, my What about your spouse, where does she factor into this other than an inconvenience you want to dump eventually? Sounds like something you're doing for yourself, why? What do you get out of a fragile arrangement like this other than pp tingles and maybe mindbroken children? Please define marriage for me because I don't think we're talking about the same thing with the same word.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:40 AM
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Divorce defeats the entire point of marriage and should be an extreme last resort. Marriage is about growing together as a couple in spite of challenge, not crumbling at a minor inconvenience. What is marriage to you exactly that ending it is no big deal?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:35 AM
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Today kids are growing up thinking divorce is just normal and relationships don't mean anything. What is the point of a marriage if you can just end it on a whim? If you're not happy with your spouse then work shit out. If you have any doubts going into the marriage in the first place, then don't marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:30 AM
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It is better for the kids that I not marry someone in the first place that I expect to divorce me and that they not exist, than to be raised in split households. I will fight anyone who encourages my wife to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:29 AM
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which is why divorce needs to be made a lot harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:26 AM
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Show me where the women are who aren't like that then because I never see any in the real world. The internet has become real life as nobody leaves their houses anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:44 PM
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I don't think I'd give my kid a smartphone until he was old enough to know how to code on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 06:18 PM
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It's the only place we're allowed to, otherwise it's harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:09 AM
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I have yet to see a trad woman older than 20 who isn't married already, so it's a safe assumption to make until I see evidence that she's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:44 AM
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Theoretically no, I'm not that old, but the only single women left seem to be that way by choice or sheer mental illness. So I am operating on the assumption that yes, it is, and all I come here for is evidence to the contrary, but I have yet to see any.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:27 AM
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All I wanted was a family, the loss of that is the difficult thing to accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:18 AM
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Call it whatever you want but a label isn't an argument. That's all I'm saying. OP is making ad hominems of his own, so don't think it's just you either, I just saw your comment first.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:10 AM
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This sub has convinced me women are one of the most closed-minded groups I've met. If you counter her point, she will do mental gymnastics at the olympic level to justify it, or simply ignore you. They cannot be reasoned with, and that's why I gave up dating and ended up here in the first place. CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:09 AM
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How'd you get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:07 AM
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everything I disagree with is far-right
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:05 AM
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They are generally married long before 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:59 AM
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10 seems like an arbitrary number. How'd you arrive there? Why is 9 partners somehow better than 11?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:45 PM
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I don't see them making an effort toward men they do like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:11 PM
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All of these different types of women exist, sure. However, only a few subsets of women aren't married or committed past a certain age, and those become the women we complain about. It's hard to marry a prudish church girl when someone beat you to her at 17.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:40 PM
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Nobody is buying it anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:44 AM
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Frustration with it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 09:34 PM
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Because we've also accepted that the "perfect one" doesn't exist and we're going to have to settle in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 09:30 PM
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Is this the same syndrome where they have to take birth control pills because period pain is so unbearable or something like that? Because that's been a common thread with my past as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:26 AM
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Finally left my hermit cave and visited a major city. Now, I haven't left the touristy district, so what I've learned at least is: single women do not go on vacation, they only come when they have a man in tow. All I see in this town are couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:45 PM
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Las Vegas and Eventbrite is where I looked
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:39 PM
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Just tried it since I'm on vacation in a major city right now. All I see is scams.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:23 PM
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Never actually seen such an event advertised anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:02 PM
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I barely even see women in this boomer town.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:56 AM
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There's one near me that size and there are hardly even any women there either
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:59 AM
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There are hardly any women outside of them though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:54 AM
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Women dropped theirs, so there's no reason for us to uphold ours.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 08:11 PM
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Antidepressants
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 06:59 PM
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SSRIs already do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 06:56 PM
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Hot damn this is a sea of [removed]. Somebody must be over the target.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 06:49 AM
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This statement is designed to get people who are unsatisfied being single to shut up
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:45 AM
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Unfortunately for every autistic woman there are 4 autistic men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 04:47 PM
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What I find fascinating is how far more people in this thread are attacking the very premise of my hypothesis rather than trying to disprove it, just as predicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 12:06 AM
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Debt slavery is definitely a hole they can't get out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 11:30 PM
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I've heard coffee shops, and I've hung around some of those, but most people there are busy with something and don't exactly want to be interrupted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 10:37 PM
1

but muh feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 10:04 PM
1

Last time I went to a mall it was completely deserted save for the food court. Stores here are full of old people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 09:24 PM
1

Pew study from February that said 63% of men in their 20s are single vs. 34% of women, this gets posted every day and everyone forgets about it the next day
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 09:24 PM
1

No, the point is men are told all these places to look for women, but women are never there, any other man on this sub can tell you that, and I'm speculating as to why. Something something 63% single men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 09:19 PM
1

As I've said to other people I think too many women are living to work and turning it into their entire identity. It's not about "they shouldn't work", it's about living life and being outside, dare I say touching grass, and working to support that instead of revolving around a career or job.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 09:16 PM
1

It definitely sounds like you place your career at the center of your life. And that's fine, I won't fault you for that. But the point of the OP before we went on a tangent is that on a large scale women working instead of marrying leads to, well, basically all of the discourse that exists on PPD since everyone is too busy to find each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 09:12 PM
1

Hello, human resources?!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 09:08 PM
1

So she spends her time bonding with her child, instead of working all the time at a job she probably hates so she can barely afford to pay somebody else to bond with her child
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 09:03 PM
-6

I don't expect anything of anyone, but personally, I'd rather be homeless than house-poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:50 PM
-4

There's nothing wrong with work, but there is such a thing as working too much to the exclusion of all else. Too many people now especially women live to work instead of vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:41 PM
1

We're well aware that we could live comfortably on either of our incomes, If you read what I said before, this is all I ask. I'm not trying to be restrictive of my spouse, but I could never be comfortable working full time and not being able to pay the bills because they were dependent on both of us working and she just got laid off. If she wants to work, fine, that doesn't hurt anything, I just want her to be able to back out if she hates it. 6 figs of debt may be an exaggeration, but most peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:39 PM
0

I won't attempt to counter this point until I've run numbers. You're right, every person added to the household would add a certain amount to expenses. I will mention however that expensive childcare costs 0 if the mother is caring for her own children, and it would be far more effective for me to upgrade my job.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:30 PM
5

What is your standard of living that necessitates a full time job in addition to those expenses?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:25 PM
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I could upgrade from that somewhat for a woman. I eat like that because pleasurable food is the least of my worries. Eating out would be limited though and no doordashing, the latter especially is just pissing away cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:22 PM
1

I could draw all this up in a spreadsheet if I wanted precise numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:15 PM
1

Let me put it this way. Right now about 55% of my income goes to savings (which includes an IRA) because I skimp out on everything I don't need; I eat rice and beans most of the time, I have a cheap phone on a cheap prepaid plan, I have slow internet, etc. If I marry someone, my rent doesn't increase, my utility bills increase only marginally. I don't have student debt, and I wouldn't marry someone who has too much of it (the only thing I'd have against a degree holding woman). Maybe she brings …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:10 PM
3

What I am saying is it contributes to the disappearance of third spaces which is a phenomenon that has been documented for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:54 PM
-3

I don't care what I have to do to support a family. If I can't do it, then I'm a failure as a husband and father. On my current income? Yes, I believe I could, we just wouldn't be living like royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:46 PM
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This backs up my claim and you are putting words in my mouth. When women are too busy working to do anything else, they won't do anything else, and men will wonder where the heck they are if they're supposedly 50% of the population. Then these men get told they're condescending and entitled when they ask for help and are given bogus advice which wouldn't keep having to be given if it actually worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:19 PM
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I've done pretty well so far on a meager income because I don't have 6 figures of student debt weighing me down. Actually, I think I'm doing better than my friend who's a nurse now making more income but paying more in debt.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:12 PM
1

Yeah it wasn't the only reason I quit either. It is however the main thing keeping people in the rat race after they graduate and turning work into their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:09 PM
1

West coast
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 07:01 PM
-4

Firstly, working weekends wasn't as typical back in the day unless you were a teenager, and the pay was higher. So men would go do stuff on the weekend or after work, and women would be there. Today, women aren't there because they're working weekends like teenagers used to, or are struggling financially and don't have the energy to do anything but work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:59 PM
2

Lol you posted this as I was typing up a similar post
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:53 PM
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Can confirm as one of the latter case
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 10:43 PM
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"Cuffed in her mid/late 20s" isn't conducive to crossing international borders, just my two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 10:13 PM
2

There was another one in January gaining traction recently that found 5% of men have 50% of the sex. I forget who did that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 10:12 PM
1

hobby that has a decently even distribution of men and women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:59 PM
1

People might actually care a lot more if they knew who their grandfather is
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:58 PM
1

I think this should be sold as a means of catching actual deadbeats. It helps men who have been cheated on, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:57 PM
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Adam the literally who
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:55 PM
1

I would teach mine some responsibility, but other than that I'd be happy to see something like this of my daughter. No child of mine is gonna be paycheck to paycheck even if I have to be to make it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:50 PM
1

Are you reaping the fruits of that and happy with it or still paying student loans?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:48 PM
1

I don't think you understand what society falling actually looks like. Nobody alive today in the West has ever experienced a proper famine, and only the very old have experienced war (Ukraine and Yugoslavia notwithstanding if they are to be considered the West). When everyone is so busy taking care of old codgers that nobody is available to pick crops anymore, violence will pick up, first by the deaths of said old codgers so they don't have to be fed, then fighting over whatever food and fertile…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:47 PM
1

What exactly do you do for a living and what education was required?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:39 PM
1

Now do it in cursive
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:37 PM
3

That was Pew Research and everyone has conveniently forgotten it https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:36 PM
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That's all well and good until there are so many old people that the entire economy shifts to wiping their asses (as has already happened where I live) and nobody is working on the future because the people necessary to do that were literally never born. To my knowledge this is historically unprecedented and we have zero clue what's next, but it probably doesn't involve moon bases.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:27 PM
1

So are marriage rates. Can't divorce if you were never married to start with
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 09:22 PM
1

I don't make the spectrum part of my identity, so I tend to forget that I'm on it, but that could also be a factor in my experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 08:53 PM
0

SCOTUS can be used sometimes as an offensive weapon, cf. DC v. Heller
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 08:42 PM
1

Prototyping in here before I make a post on the big screen. I have a hypothesis that most of the dating troubles expressed in this sub are a direct result of women working. Not that it's a bad thing in and of itself, but women now work in more numbers and more hours than ever before leaving them with zero energy and time to meet men. This means they are going in for their 12 hour nurse shift, or from fast food job to fast food job, and then home, with no downtime to do anything but sleep. They a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 08:39 PM
3

Men and grannies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 08:18 PM
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Pre-existing social circles which include women, which they were in early enough in life for some of those women to be unpartnered. Either that or a profession with lots of women in it - my friend who's a male nurse and does theater as a hobby has tons of female contacts, though none of them will date him, I've heard because he's cocky. Since graduating high school and quitting college I have seen barely any women in public under 40. I believe they are all working: colleges are 60% women now, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 08:12 PM
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Maybe, but those men had opportunities to meet women that men in this sub generally don't. This leads us to bitterness, not vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:57 PM
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I'm a genealogy nerd and enjoy hanging around there looking for distant cousins. I could go for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:52 PM
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There aren't enough women around to get experience to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:30 PM
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SCOTUS ruled this year that a person can only be convicted of a violent threat if the person intended to threaten/intimidate and not just because someone on the receiving end felt threatened. Counterman v. Colorado 2023. If this is possible, perhaps one of us should take a bogus harassment charge and see what SCOTUS has to say about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:27 PM
3

Being a widow is out of her control, whereas a divorce is a choice of hers and makes a statement about who she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:17 AM
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No, most people would just go through whatever trouble the government makes for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:09 PM
1

It reminds me my problems aren't all in my head. Sharing the misery
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:09 AM
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Who's got the case study of the woman who started an all woman workplace and found it to be the most chaotic she'd ever seen?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 06:32 AM
1

Working remote and no plans to change
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 11:24 PM
1

Actual places to find women at all before flirting dynamics or any of that can even be relevant? We keep hearing gym, bars, clubs, etc but if this was working the question wouldn't continue to be asked
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 11:17 PM
3

OKCupid tried that gimmick years ago and it didn't work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 01:30 AM
1

I work from home, so I totally would if I had a wife and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 07:03 PM
1

The numbers show the chance of divorce is doubled when one person has a single past partner
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 03:18 PM
3

Hospitals and nursing homes can't really be automated. Ever wonder why so many women are nurses these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 02:50 PM
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Women are free when they serve their employers but slaves when they serve their husbands and children
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 02:33 PM
2

Which is why the entire economy is switching toward taking care of boomers because there's literally not enough people in the next generation to do anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 02:29 PM
2

Even OLD has been consolidated and corporatized since covid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:48 PM
3

In depth N count statistics when
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:41 PM
1

Considered for a moment loading up Bumble again. So I went to the play store and read the reviews to talk myself out of it. 3.9 stars can't be that bad, right? Every single positive review is from, uh, Microsoft technical support. Trending topics include "pay wall" and "worst dating app". Reviews for other apps are even worse. How can anyone fall for this scam in this day and age?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 02:37 AM
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Median income is 40K/yr per St. Louis Fed, that means half of everyone (not controlled for sex) makes less than that. Also, $30k (15/hr full time) is definitely above minimum wage in most states. Since women now graduate college more and get into good careers more than men do, it makes sense that young men with no seniority or unions would be more likely to be below median than women their age. I'm not saying this is a bad preference, because I for one want to support my wife on my income alone …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 10:28 PM
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Society forgot that anything is greater than the now and the feel goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:02 AM
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Basically what I'm saying is it's just taking out pain on others, because the pain hurts more than women realize. I don't endorse it, I'm just explaining it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:51 AM
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Men don't have options and this is so alien to women that most can't even comprehend just how desperate we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:31 AM
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I might be the exception, but the guy I was responding to was trying to tell me how I feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:10 PM
2

Not the same as being and creating a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:35 AM
0

Yes, I would. If I ever find that woman, that's what it'll be when we're old anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:27 AM
1

I'm a guy and sex is secondary.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:19 AM
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Sex =/= love no matter what the media tells you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 02:00 AM
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I took the Christ pill ultimately because of this crap. I'd rather die a holy bachelor than waste my time and seed on temporary flings.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:47 AM
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Please explain how "gross" means anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 12:37 AM
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Men consider sex to be the consummation and pinnacle of love, while women can't tell the difference. What a man wants to know is if she loved the other guy enough to give herself to him, whereas a woman just assumes that comes with love anyway. t. never been married
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 09:55 PM
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Redpills are angry because they were fed bluepills their whole life and had to learn the hard way that the world isn't like what they were told. You would be angry too if you gave money to a Nigerian prince and didn't get what he promised you, just as redpillers are angry that they wasted years being nice and focusing on their career after they were told they would find a gf that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 07:22 PM
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It's not supposed to be sexy, there's supposed to be a higher ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:01 AM
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I said most women who marry. Most women aren't marrying anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:43 PM
3

Ok but a suit needs to be in the right context, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 06:12 PM
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Most women who marry will die surrounded by children and grandchildren. By "you will die alone" we mean they won't even have that, and we mostly say it to share the pain that we won't have it either and will probably die in a gutter somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 05:13 PM
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College campuses and ghettos are the only places with a female majority in the 20s age range, therefore the odds are still better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:16 PM
1

A million failed approaches is still a failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:43 AM
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Please make a compelling argument why dating is any better in cities full of avoidant city people than rural areas with a few people who are also avoidant. inb4 numbers game
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 03:40 AM
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cough labor force participation hack competency crisis cough supply chain breakdown ahem things that are already happening
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 02:39 AM
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Everyone is doing it wrong and needs to change how they view women you misogynist incels :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 03:41 PM
1

Doesn't really matter if there are more people if they are just as or more antisocial.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 03:30 PM
1

They're probably recording you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 02:39 AM
1

Just move to the city bro meet people in the city bro Why do city people assume that people there are any less isolated and standoffish than rural people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 02:08 AM
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I posit to you that unattractiveness breeds obsession, not vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 12:00 AM
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None of it means anything without companionship. Anyone who comes to the conclusion that the game isn't worth playing will eventually realize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 11:40 PM
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Men can't really decide to date or not date at will, it's mostly up to women if they are desirable. Since we don't have the choice, we will tend to be obsessed with moving into the position where it's a choice. Meanwhile, women know that if they put it off now they can get back in the game later with no trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 11:34 PM
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Being personable and competent aren't enough anymore, this changed with the advent of social media and young men have learned it the hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:25 PM
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One woman would be enough but that's too much to ask in the current year.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 06:11 PM
1

Okay, but it's still cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 06:10 PM
2

Yes, you directly caused them to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 06:09 PM
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Good point. I'm going to say no, because there was a spouse that you married the first time and kept things within that marriage. However, going and screwing around between marriages is definitely cheating on the second spouse and I would almost argue it's still cheating on the first one too since the vows haven't been exactly replaced yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:19 PM
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Sex before marriage is just cheating on the spouse you have yet to marry, CMV. but I'm going to marry them You're taking a big risk there, the wedding's not over til it's over.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:03 PM
1

Well that goes without saying
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:40 AM
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I'm sure women are used to getting asked for their number, what's a way to spin this so she'll remember me among the pile of texts in her inbox?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:11 AM
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Loyalty, faith, family ambitions, generally. I don't care if she's 400 pounds or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 12:11 AM
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I at least want my education, career, and other controllable factors to mean something, as they would have 70 years ago, instead of being limited to uncontrollable factors such as bone structure. Back in the day women still chose but they selected for capability and stability instead of crotch tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 09:17 PM
1

Any suggestions?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 07:37 PM
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Men are weary of having to fight by uncivilized, underhanded means for a girlfriend rather than the higher-class competition that once existed in society. This is especially true when friends are involved. I've been doing all the self-improvement stuff, I have even been doing well at making first impressions, but inevitably my friend notices her too and I'm forced to choose between keeping my friend or ruining him in some way to get the girl. With all due respect, no woman is worth that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 07:14 PM
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Murder rates higher than actual war zones are war zones to me, yes. They don't call it Chiraq for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 06:58 PM
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Single motherhood is also off the charts, putting these 2 and 2 together suggests that as a group these women are saying that to cope with their mistakes (choosing a deadbeat father) rather than express a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 06:24 PM
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I'm at church regularly. There are lots of teenage girls there -- they grow up, go to college, and never return. I have seen this over and over again. Everyone single over 20 is male, the women are all married.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 06:04 PM
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Then the minority will keep asking because it doesn't work for us, and you'll just keep saying the same thing and neither of us will clear this impasse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:49 PM
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Point me to a town where the gender ratio under the age of 40 isn't overwhelmingly male (and isn't a war zone e.g. Atlanta) and competition isn't as harsh as here and I'll buy a ticket tonight
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:44 PM
-1

Sure feels that way. My male friends who haven't left the state yet will tell you the same things I just did.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:42 PM
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Nope, just hospitals and chiropractors. This town is the boomerest boomerville that ever boomed. I'd move, but it seems like most other places are as OP describes, if women can even be found they are taken or otherwise totally aloof, if they are around at all. Community is strong, and I hang out a lot with the boomers here, but they aren't exactly great people to talk to about relationship issues or lack thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:37 PM
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Show me the church where there are no boys, my church is an absolute sausage fest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:33 PM
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Correct, those are non existent here. In fact, meetup and eventbrite have straight up next to nothing here except webinars -- but even the nearest 2mil+ pop city doesn't have anything like what you describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:31 PM
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Every group like this that I have ever seen is full of boomers and I'm the only one under 40
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:26 PM
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If advice like this worked we wouldn't keep asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:23 PM
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gEt a HoBbY
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:18 PM
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Add to this that some of us live in rural boomer towns which women all left as soon as they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:17 PM
5

being intentional about searching means you're manipulative and controlling
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 04:59 PM
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It's not really lying if you aren't conscious of it, but statistics of who women actually pair with don't match the preferences they state if you ask them. I think it's more along the lines of making exceptions and excusing things because the man is "exciting" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 04:55 PM
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I heard a hypothesis at one time that rough sex (e.g. by an invading tribe) produces girls, and more loving sex (e.g. at peace) produces boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 04:37 PM
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Interestingly, this isn't the case in the parts of the country which are functionally war zones where enough men die or go to jail to finally balance it the rest of the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 04:35 PM
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What women say is well known not to line up with their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 04:23 PM
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If we don't start looking now we won't have a chance to find one by 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 04:21 PM
1

Was literally about to post the flip side of this question so any women please answer me too
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 01:32 AM
1

Probably less illegal than cold approaches in some places.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 12:29 AM
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Luck = preparation + opportunity. Preparation is one thing, but opportunity is severely lacking nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:43 PM
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In real life, I would argue that women likewise prefer the men with options, whether or not they consciously realize it, and men with options will act like you have described. "This one likes me, who else can I line up?" they are probably thinking. I've only been in this position once in my life, and I looked around on the assumption it was only a matter of time before the current girl lost interest and I needed to find another one to impress.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:42 PM
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I didn't say the restraint comes naturally to me. In the rare event that I do click with a woman, but she has a bf already, I usually leave the conversation politely and cease to have anything to do with her because I don't want those feelings to grow into something painful. I choose the dull ache of hopelessness over the stabbing pain of rejection or competition even if I could win it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:38 PM
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I do not allow myself to be attracted to women I know are taken, which in my experience is most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:32 PM
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no not that data
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:30 PM
1

Thinking with their little head instead of their big head.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:37 AM
1

Lol it's over
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:54 AM
1

I need something to talk about aside from careers education etc. so introductions don't feel like job interviews.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:36 AM
1

Attractive hobbies to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:25 AM
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Never ever ever in a million centuries
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:25 AM
2

Friendships aren't a substitute for intimacy, for the union of two people as one for life. Neither is a relationship not planned for marriage - such a thing is empty and unfulfilling, and that's what stereotypical redpillers are usually chasing. Many have likely never been taught that a relationship can more than sex or centered around something besides the ugly parts. Myself? I am interested in marriage, but have mostly found that few women are and I am not good enough for those women; this is …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:59 PM
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There are chemicals in the water that turn the frickin frogs gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:18 PM
1

Okay, but I feel like no one allows themself to admit to anyone that they want a gf/bf and downplay how much it bothers them, myself included
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:04 PM
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Has anyone else noticed that IRL single 20-somethings don't talk about relationships unless they're in one? It's like it's become a taboo subject these days
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:02 PM
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Framing this as a "reproductive problem" is reductive and destructive in itself. You are exemplifying OP's point. No matter how many girls behave otherwise, a woman is a whole not a hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:00 PM
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Men who have been excluded from relationships in their earlier life, for good reason or bad, turn to this as a solution. Part of this comes from being cynical as a result of failure. The other part, arguably, is not having any higher ideal than pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:53 PM
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Being fake like this is not beneficial to a relationship, it is only beneficial to short term tingles. I openly look down on people chasing short term tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:45 PM
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This place is the closest thing I have to a community on a weekday.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:32 PM
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Redpill is PUA rebadged for the next generation of horndogs. In my opinion, there is a difference between manipulating a woman and leading her. Playing a game to get into her pants is manipulation, and cancerous. Having life plans and aspiring to something greater as a couple is healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:21 PM
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Not a woman but if I was I would see it as an indicator his brain is in his little head instead of his big one. As a man, I'm not interested in sexually open women for the same reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:18 PM
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Case in point, when men say anything about their problems they just get put down. Nobody cares about men, so their emotional wounds get infected.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:15 PM
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Men don't have any support when bad things happen to them. Women tend to have friends and family standing behind them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:12 PM
2

The joys of only having OLD as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 07:24 PM
3

You /s but I've lost relationships explicitly because I wasn't that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 06:58 PM
1

Gee thanks ChatGPT
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 06:56 PM
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Everyone who disagrees with me is a prick
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:44 PM
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Therapy couldn't even save her unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 04:19 PM
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That's predicated on there being parties to go to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 11:15 PM
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Literally I am asking about locations though
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 10:00 PM
1

Almost exclusively solitary and/or unpopular with people my age. Nobody in their 20s is at the gardening club.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:48 PM
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My church is full of men and so are all the others here I've been to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:45 PM
1

Best place to find a woman looking for LTR/marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:12 PM
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Chances are they are taken and I for one have been hit with that one time too many.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:57 PM
3

The gender ratio skews male among dating age
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 11:47 AM
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I went from weird looks of "ew" to being approached first. My friends told me my haircut looked good, but I almost exclusively got compliments from women on my suit (this wasn't a formal event, but it wasn't out of place there either), which was colorful e.g. sage green jacket instead of the usual black and white. The hair went from a dorky part to a combover all one direction and buzzed sides. I can only guess what the deciding factor really was. So I'm hitting the obstacle of keeping a convers…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:36 AM
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statistically someone has to be hotter, what if it’s him? Hotness, in my experience, is not a substitute for charisma and talkativeness. I recently did a major appearance makeover i.e. new haircut, new clothes, and completely improved first impressions, but it doesn't last when I let other guys talk instead of monopolizing the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 09:20 AM
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Real life women who are better than those you describe do exist, but you have to fight 3-4 other men minimum to get one. That, more than anything else, isn't worth it to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 02:12 AM
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Where and how?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 01:30 AM
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5'9" on a good day
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 01:00 AM
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Well, I can name some red states with huge urban areas like Texas and blue states without them like Vermont. You can't measure urban/rural at the state level.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 12:52 AM
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states Fascinating, what state is 100% urban or 100% rural?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 12:39 AM
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I think I can learn that from experience. Of course, the other facet is finding women to practice talking with. I only even got this data point from being at a niche convention, there aren't a lot of women where I live outside of bars which aren't even close to my element or type.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 12:26 AM
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I finally got my appearance right. Women are now approaching me and giving me a chance. Unfortunately, I don't have the charisma. Is it over?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 12:22 AM
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Correct, the ring should go on first, statistically this makes the relationship more likely to last.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 12:13 AM
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I only gave a damn about my appearance for the purpose of getting a gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:57 AM
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Long story short, I've finally cleaned up my appearance sufficiently to where women treat me like a normal person and I finally feel confident and can make introductions. Unfortunately I am getting all my practice at a niche convention on a single weekend. Where exactly does one meet women in 2023 outside of degenerate places like nightclubs and apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 05:52 AM
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Boomers know nothing about the EU, and zoomers don't even know about the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:18 PM
1

B-b-but they're supposed to add to you, not complete you!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:14 PM
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The Non-Proliferation Treaty makes sure Angela Merkel never had nor ever will have access to the codes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:14 AM
3

Why 7? How did you arrive at this number instead of, say, 42?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:36 PM
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A century ago if that, 20+ would have been high even for a literal prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:34 PM
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I can't believe I still have to link this. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:45 AM
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long-term, exclusive, committed relationship I don't think you read the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 12:30 AM
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More than 60% of <30 men are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 12:23 AM
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I'm 23 and literally everyone thinks I'm at least 30, especially liquor clerks and bartenders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:28 PM
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Not if they outright reject men who don't agree with them off the bat
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:26 AM
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The birth rate will tank because of this, and slowly the "misogynist" women will simply become the majority of the population as liberal women choose to be single and die childless rather than try to convince a man to their own position.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:24 AM
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5 isn't enough for a woman, so I'd rather be someone's 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:18 AM
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This should be talked about a lot more because I think women working all these low wage jobs, often two or three at once, is also contributing to taking them out of the dating field. Women who are working at McDonald's don't have any more time to date, maybe even less, than a professional girlboss. I think this is why I don't see young women in public anymore, they are all trying to pay student loans.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:41 PM
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They get there because the algorithm feeds it to them and they just go with that flow. Porn producers are 90% at fault here and tbh I'd love to see some prosecutions for it. The other 10% is the fact that these men are followers and likely not immune to other forms of propaganda; I wonder what other consumer habits correlate with heavy porn use. Men get into porn in the first place because they don't get it enough or at all from a real woman, so they assume that what happens on the screen is som…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 11:11 PM
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My pastor in particular preaches a lot about the dangers of internet nastiness and recovering from it which leads me to believe he does hear about this stuff from a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 11:05 PM
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What do you mean? What is "this"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:56 PM
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Again, tight community. Everyone knows the couple. If something goes wrong in the marriage, neither spouse is uncomfortable talking about it with church members and/or pastor. My friend went through something like this not long ago, he's in far better shape in his life now than he would be without that support.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:53 PM
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Perhaps, but there is a support system there to help heal from it and/or help the woman and kids if it's as toxic as OP describes. Nobody is hung out to dry even in a bad situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:48 PM
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This is what religion and community were for. If a woman was interested in a man, the community would be able to tell her if he was a scumbag, and if he became one later he was accountable to that community who would set him straight or help his family. I don't think you heard about this kind of stuff as much before social media destroyed community. You can still find this in tight knit religious communities, but most people now write that off as nonsense regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 10:36 PM
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Always has been
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 07:02 PM
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Ad hominem
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:57 PM
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Career women don't have time for kids, poor women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:52 PM
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"Sexual compatibility" doesn't raise a family
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:14 PM
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Hobbies that are geared toward women are filled with men who are chasing those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:09 PM
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Hobbies are sausage fests and there is really nowhere to socialize anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:47 PM
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The worst economies where everyone lives in a mud hut and shits in their drinking water have the highest birth rates, partly because of your second point, women there aren't going to business school.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:46 PM
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I wasn't suggesting on campus, just in the surrounding town.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:52 AM
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College towns are the only places left with a majority female demographic (well, for different reasons, high-crime cities are too). As a non-student, if I visited a college town, what's a good place to connect with college women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:35 AM
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My grandpa still talks about both his grandpas who were born shortly after the Civil War. Even before that, it's known who all my ancestors were going back to the early 17th century, and all of them some form of pioneer. I'd say I carry a legacy to pass on, but exploring and taming the wilds are no longer considered cool, so I guess I'm stuck with my hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 04:33 AM
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I'm almost jaded enough for that, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:33 AM
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Because I'm sick and tired of finding out girls have boyfriends/husbands already or having to fight because there just aren't enough women to go around
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:23 AM
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Gender ratio below 1.2 in the 18-35 range
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:06 AM
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If it means relocating to a bigger city where there are more people of your age demographic Name one (1) city where the demographics favor men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:03 AM
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First
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:01 AM
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I would argue the biggest difference is between a woman who learned from her mistakes and one who defends them. I've found it very difficult to get a woman to say "I'm sorry."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:57 AM
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Good men are protectors from all the other classes you just described.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 01:03 AM
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This poster is so far to the left that he wrapped around to the right
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:07 AM
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What if you did?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:43 AM
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Ok then, but what if you did?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:29 AM
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<18 is underweight
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:29 AM
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Greek yogurt is good for your immune system, however. One of the first Nobel prizes went to a guy who found a correlation between yogurt consumption and life expectancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:54 AM
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How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning? I am considering introducing myself to everyone with this question. It's unintrusive, simple, and about something everyone does, and yet there's something new and interesting to make someone go "hmm". A conversation starter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:50 AM
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Sex before marriage is just cheating on the spouse you haven't married yet, CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:04 PM
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I would say you're not a "real adult" until you're in a committed, permanent relationship to ground you -- the people here are overgrown teenagers seeking to break into adulthood, myself included.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 02:51 AM
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I feel naked without it. Cold climate might be part of that equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 02:49 AM
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What happened to "women mature faster and men not until 25"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 04:03 AM
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I'd bet if you had a yacht you could get any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:47 PM
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Paywalled. What is the sample N for each sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:38 AM
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I have no idea why they whine so much Get your heart broken, love deeply, create memories Ok boomer, you've demonstrated a complete lack of comprehension of what men go through and how difficult it is and you're just going to shit on them. There's plenty of time to get married and have kids after 30. The sooner kids are born the sooner they are grown up and out of the house. I don't want to be retiring and dying just as my kids are graduating school leaving them without guidance in early adultho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 11:20 PM
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Women's economic imperative is to get a strong white collar career and still marry a man more high quality than her -- ergo, negative birth rates because those high quality men were replaced by her in those positions. We live in a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:39 PM
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Gender quotas excluding men (except in the icky blue collar jobs women don't want) aren't the same as disallowing women to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:36 PM
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You're assuming that I said that, but the question was whether they would find one, not their intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:34 PM
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If you think she might divorce you, she isn't even dating material. The only reason this is such a problem is that horny men enable it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:11 PM
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What country did a census in 2016 that you're citing? In the US all census data is collected in years ending in 0 and data from other years including raw population are calculated on an algorithm from that. Ditto the UK but years ending in 1. 2016 algorithm data would be based on 2010 census data - from a time before apps and socials became the juggernaut of the dating field and when the 18-29 y/o men measured in 2023 would have been 5-16 (11-21 in 2016). This effect wouldn't likely have even be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:07 PM
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There is a hypothesis that this originated around the time humans developed language, which allowed the lesser males to conspire and collectively overpower the "best" males. These males would have understood each other's struggles and struck a deal that instead of simply taking the place of the "best males" and risk being on the other end of the next time, they would instead agree to have one woman per man. This is the birth of monogamy and marriage - a universal trait in all agricultural and ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 05:54 PM
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Adults over the age of 60 were born no later than 1963! There is absolutely no data of what the current generation, the first to be mostly dependent on digital means of socialization, will be doing 40 years from now. Even millennials predate the trend of outsourcing everything to apps. We have no idea what gen Z will be doing in 40 years but the trend set so far is not promising.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:51 PM
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2/3 of young men are not finding exclusive relationships right now, I would not call that a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 04:39 PM
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I think is not evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 10:06 PM
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I disagree therefore he is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:47 PM
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Rephrased the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:54 PM
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What are the chances that a random/typical woman I meet in a city would want to move back with me to a rural area?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:49 PM
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Divorce is a solid predictor of criminality, as is a single parent household.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:48 PM
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Women are there to get laid, not to date or marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 11:47 PM
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there aren't any boys there or anywhere for that matter (gym, library, etc.) Funny, I've noticed the same thing about girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:32 AM
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Shoe lifts cost $10.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:53 PM
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Pretty sure Sweden was neutral. You're thinking of Norway
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:42 PM
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I thought all women had daddy issues, maybe this explains it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 12:30 AM
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Hence "/s"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:57 PM
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I have seen plenty of men complain about their baby face or being confused for teenagers. What about the flip side, men who are mistaken for far older than they really are? Do women see this as equally defective?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:49 PM
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This honestly seems like a growing proportion of all internet posts by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:46 PM
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Seems to me OP that this thread is proving your point, nobody cares about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:43 PM
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It's paywalled but here's one of many data points https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:30 PM
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But she needs to find herself first and not be locked down! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 10:20 PM
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The only way they could get it to stay in the moral boundaries was to remove neurons. As a byproduct, it went from 98% accuracy as to whether a certain number is prime, to 2%. GPT is not the only victim of this, check r/characterai for another one which used to be almost humanlike and now is visibly gimped.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:17 AM
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Software AI isn't going anywhere for a while due to the lobotomization needed to be politically correct. See the recent Stanford study which found GPT-4 July edition is measurably stupider than March edition. The more they do this, the less coding AI will learn. Open source models exist, sure, but...guess their userbase.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:10 AM
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I only even talk about being attracted to women with people I trust deeply with the subject. This doesn't even include my own father.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:38 AM
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The other side of that study is that 12th grade girls lean equally liberal. Girls are the limiting factor of population growth. If 2/3 of girls lean liberal and all liberal girls refuse kids (for sake of easy math), then the remaining conservative girls making up 1/3 all need to have at least 6 kids to maintain the population. What's the TFR among just conservatives right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:53 PM
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There is a correlation (not necessarily meaning causation) between low TFR and women's education levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:45 PM
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Most adult kids can’t afford to care for their parents, they can’t even afford to start their own family. because their parents kicked them out, insisted they go to college on their own dime, etc, and now they are left with a bunch of bills they didn't need to have instead of saving money because their parents forced them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:40 PM
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The fact is offshore labor is still cheaper than robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:03 PM
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Line must go up!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:02 PM
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This is one of those things like fractional reserve banking where big words mean people think it's more complicated than it really is. Not enough workers > not enough output > luxuries cease to be produced > necessities go away too and people start starving. You cannot have a civilization without a population to run it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:00 PM
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That's a result of kicking the kids out and telling them to use their bootstraps. People who see their children as accessories or accidents instead of investments will get zero return on that investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:57 PM
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Before too long there just won't be enough working age medical staff to take care of all the old people and the old people will start dying of the common cold. The population might balance out as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:56 PM
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Wish it meant more than it seems to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:59 AM
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A plan for the future beyond next week and the means to carry it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:22 AM
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There are a lot of people from those countries where I live and many of them work as movers, in construction, and other heavy lifting jobs. A huge amount of their weight is muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:48 AM
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Third spaces where people used to meet each other are basically gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 11:29 PM
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A wife with no income is statistically less likely than one with a higher income to be in front of that judge in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 09:23 PM
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The experience of single people after graduation is exponentially harder due to fewer opportunities to meet anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 08:58 PM
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I’ll have my own income and not be a stay at home mother. Statistically, this makes you more likely to divorce him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 08:55 PM
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I think it's because there are no young single women out and about at any given time IRL, and on apps (which I am burned out on and no longer use) I was straightforward about my 10-20 year plan instead of being spontaneous and exciting or whatever buzzwords.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 07:08 PM
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Small city here, it's a desert.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:56 PM
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I don't approach at all because I fear the rape accusation at least as much as she fears anything a short weirdo like me might do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:36 PM
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hits pipe
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:34 PM
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This but unironically
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:28 PM
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Sex outside of marriage is still cheating on the spouse you have yet to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:25 PM
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This would just ruin whatever real estate and car market exists over there. Not a single effort by former Warsaw Pact countries in the last decade (especially Hungary and Russia) to increase marriage and birth rates even made a dent. The only one that ever worked was communist Romania clamping down hard on birth control and even that only helped for like a year before people found a way around it. In our generation, they could openly threaten people with organ harvesting if they don't marry and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:11 PM
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This is a major factor as well, these are the same women who later complain that they are drowning in debt and you, the man, need to carry that weight
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:03 PM
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I'll consider that a decade from now. It remains to be seen if I'm one of those guys who supposedly does better in his 30s. I feel like I've increased my confidence/improved myself, but I have no outlet as of yet to prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:54 PM
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The baseline for this has risen higher and higher arguably due to cost of living rising faster than wages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:50 PM
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Not until I know where I would even go. As far as I can tell, the only places with a majority of women in the 20s age bracket are college towns where all those women are most likely neck deep in student debt.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:38 PM
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All left for college never to return. The ones who stayed are heavily skewed male. Probably true of any rural state.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:35 PM
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My area's average age has to be at least 60.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:27 PM
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Divorces tend to spike the second the man loses his job or the woman's salary starts to exceed her husband's.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:24 AM
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I think it would work better this way instead of the stupid drawn out mating dance. First impressions are made in the first half second according to studies, and that makes so much difference that the remainder of the date is irrelevant, if the "spark" wasn't there to begin with it won't be generated later.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:04 AM
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Who's they
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:51 AM
1

Let me translate then: active drug addict = rotten timber, upstanding man/woman = good timber to be put together with another good timber to build a complete house together. In a relationship, this mutual structure is typically conflated with codependency.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:47 AM
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This for me but with evangelicals, it's amazing what 400 years of heresy does to one's entire worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:45 AM
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Is somebody who isn't tall, rich, etc enough the same as a drug addict?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:40 AM
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Slapping two prebuilt trailers together and calling them a house is not nearly as strong a foundation as building a house fresh from the ground up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:35 AM
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I would argue a relationship is more solid on a foundation of getting our shit together, as a couple
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:32 AM
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Not really. Most women complain that men don't "have their shit together", what OP is asking is if a single woman out there would give him a chance to get his "shit together".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:20 AM
3

Women don't run the race, they hang out at the finish line and pick the winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:54 AM
1

Only option for me due to geography.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:23 AM
1

No way no how, I am outside the contiguous states
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 03:29 AM
1

How important is owning a car, especially for long distance relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 03:22 AM
2

I wouldn't differentiate by earnings here but by free time. If one works 50 hours at two different fast food jobs and the other 30 hours as a doctor, the doctor should be doing more housework in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:05 PM
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women would just ask out the same top 10% of men. But we would stop hearing about how things are so hard for women because they have to reject so many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:10 PM
0

Beard will cover that up if you do it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:00 PM
3

You should know what haircut suits your face This is completely subjective. I know for a fact my haircut doesn't fit me, I get accused of having a receding hairline even though I've always had a fivehead -- so I went to a real salon once and asked for something better, and all she did was give me my normal cut. Some people don't look good with any haircut and this is true for any other aspect of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 09:59 PM
1

We don't encounter women IRL very much at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:56 PM
1

Where can single women be found outside of clubs in 2023?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:44 PM
2

The gender ratio in the marriage age range is like 130:100 last I checked. So no it's not even mathematically true, and even then there's the problem of women mostly not being in public anymore in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:01 AM
2

Lainey comes to mind. The difference is, men make fun of those who hate them, while women seethe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:28 AM
7

The state has proven itself excellent at pitting workers against each other, too, and indeed has done so with the sexes. Do you think #metoo and sex harassment culture is organic?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 11:45 PM
1

Good cities to find 20-something women, that aren't on the coasts?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:11 PM
65

There's a very very thin line between this type of girl and BPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:23 PM
-3

It was called the 19th century and it was marked by prosperity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 07:50 PM
10

Pew's study in February which found 63% of 18-29 year old American men are single, also found that half of that 63% have given up looking and accepted it. Doing the math on census data, this group is about 9.5 million men. Not long before this study came out, Mike Rowe, Dave Ramsey, and others of their caliber made the claim that 7 million men in that age bracket do not have jobs and are not seeking any. Coincidence? People will be fine, but society may be in trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:21 PM
1

Already been on the latter two trains for ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:26 PM
1

Finally discovered a real nightclub and it contained plenty of under-30 women, something I don't think I have ever seen in public before. If this is what all the 20-somethings are doing, then I now identify as 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:17 PM
1

OP, are circumstances any different in French Canada?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:39 AM
2

Don't make me tap the sign
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:37 PM
1

Same corporate parent, it makes no difference
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:57 PM
1

What's the right amount of "direct"-ness? What should someone say to indicate interest in moving on from an initial meeting without crossing into overbearing/desperate territory? inb4 be attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:55 PM
16

"Relationships aren't important, focus on keeping your grades up so you can go to a good college and meet someone there!" Then I arrived there and the women who would give me the time of day stopped having boyfriends already and started having husbands instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:52 PM
1

Women would naturally try to make their sons into what they find attractive in a man, intending that women will find him attractive and pass on his genes which he inherited from her. Since women wouldn't date an emotional man, a mother would naturally beat the emotions out of her son so that he would be dateable. This is probably true of any attractive trait which is controllable/independent of genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:12 AM
1

The male virginity rate bottoms out at the age of 28 and doesn't change much north of there, i.e. the ~2% of male virgins at 28 are still virgins at 38
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 02:05 AM
1

Haven't seen the movie myself but the coverage of it I've seen says it goes out of its way at the end to go "wait, the message you got from this whole movie is wrong and it's actually X." Did you get that impression?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:56 AM
1

Some people might have lower sensitivity to cheating (swingers come to mind), but the equivalency stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 08:02 PM
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Sex before marriage is just cheating on the spouse you haven't married yet. Fite me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 08:00 PM
0

Two virgins can't get HPV from each other
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 07:45 PM
1

Then neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 07:28 PM
5

1/10 made me reply
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:41 PM
1

There is a difference between treating someone well (a Christian value) and supporting everything they do even if it's bad for them (a feminist value). The former is typically a euphemism for the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:17 PM
1

Islam is a tradition which is entering the West, which is not the same thing as Western tradition.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:15 PM
5

Muh dik muh crotch tingles. Half of this sub boils down to this as does far more of the normal sphere. There is no end game, there is only the now. Most people have reverted to pure animal instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:55 AM
1

Somebody who has never been to a church telling somebody they haven't been to church and don't know what things are like.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:36 AM
1

Orthodox, literally. I am curious if your claim controls for age, among older women I would believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:25 AM
4

I have never missed more than one Sunday in a row and I can tell you my church is a sausage fest and so are all others I have been to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:19 AM
3

Churches are short of women of any kind these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:04 AM
2

lose the glasses I know this advice isn't intended for me but my phobia of contacts outweighs my desire to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:03 AM
3

How dare you suggest a woman change herself for a man, you misogynist /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:46 AM
3

Define "fashionable clothes", how much difference did that alone make?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:38 PM
1

Economically, children are an investment just like your own education is. They might cost a little extra when they are young, but then they grow up to be adults like you did, and as the population grows more opportunity and resources will be built by the next generation. Most importantly, when you get to be old, your children and grandchildren will take care of you if you raised them right, which is way way cheaper and more pleasant than a nursing home. Our current trajectory, as I said, will ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 04:27 PM
4

What do you think children grow up into?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 04:08 PM
1

I'm skinny and am consistently mistaken for much older due to other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:06 AM
8

As for a culture that sees children as a burden, though I don't have any data on it, I can imagine that would have an effect. But that has nothing to do with hook-up culture. On the contrary, this is a major catalyst for hook-up culture. Hook-up culture has only really come around with the decline of marriage in the last 30 or so years. Marriages used to be held together even among couples who hated each other because they loved the children, unless they hated the children too, which unfortunate…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 08:09 AM
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Birth rates are below replacement, meaning population growth is negative, meaning that in the next century or two the people will literally not exist to support a society, and we already have a situation today where there are more geriatrics than nurses to wipe their asses. This is a direct result of the decoupling of sex from pregnancy, and of a culture that teaches kids are a burden. This is true in every country where the average person is rich enough to starve in a hut made of sheet metal in…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:37 AM
2

How exactly does one steer a conversation from business-like and innocuous to suggesting a more personal, permanent connection?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 03:33 AM
1

Sadly, the second cat to show up was chased off by the first.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:23 PM
2

Building and fixing some sheds. Adopting a stray cat. Those are things I can say I have completed and can prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 08:05 PM
2

I'm a very monotone, practical person with boring hobbies. How can I best frame accomplishments as a personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 08:02 PM
1

At some point they banned abortions as a measure to raise birth rates I thought only Romania did this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 05:44 AM
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If they suggested that they weren't happy with their partner or life in general then they would be re-educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:02 AM
1

Striped tie fun enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:57 AM
1

I haven't even thought about the tie either lol. The most recent outfit I wore was the beige jacket with a dark blue shirt (but still vibrant, lighter than navy), with unbuttoned jacket and no tie. I'm going to wear this one and build two more from scratch, possibly including the darker tan and grey jackets I already own.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:51 AM
1

What city? Buying a ticket there asap
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:44 AM
1

What goes well with a beige/tan jacket?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:16 AM
1

Q4W: I have zero sense of fashion or aesthetics. I'm going to a formal event soon, all the men will be wearing suits and ties. What should I change up about mine to stand out and look "cool' in the eyes of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:04 AM
1

About the point when I went to college and started trying to chat up girls and now they had husbands instead of boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:59 PM
1

My question was more about different cities which might have a more balanced demographic. I think church is fairly representative of the town, and in my town girls leave for school and don't come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 09:23 AM
1

Lol that's one of the most heavily male spaces in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 09:18 AM
1

Suggest somewhere else then that women in that age range might be found other than working every free second of their lives (which seems to be the case post-graduation).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 03:35 AM
1

Places with high female:male ratios in the 20s age range outside of campus? Alternatively, where is it socially acceptable for non-students to hang out on campus? Women in their 20s are nonexistent here
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 03:29 AM
1

Every gender ratio I've seen has been heavily male-weighted except for a few college towns.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 07:23 PM
1

I suspect a smaller/mid size city full of life and culture would be better than randomly dropping into NYC or Seattle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 03:11 AM
1

What kind of people are you hoping to meet? What kinds of activities do you enjoy in your free time? I guess the best way to put it is, I'd rather sit with a friend or a few around a campfire than go to a loud club or party. I'm a very mellow person and prefer things that I can take time to enjoy. So I probably wouldn't get along well with a party animal, for example. But this is all negotiable, I don't know who I would like until I've experienced them. Are you a hot or cold weather sort of pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 03:09 AM
1

I asked another question in the previous thread, but most replies focused on my rural situation instead. So I'll ask a question more relevant to those answers. I'm a man in a rural area/small city environment in a generally rural state in the US. I have made every attempt to "go outside" and "touch grass" and improve my fashion and personality, but there is no one outside, everyone I see is old and the only people under 35 that I see are working cash registers, stocking shelves, or otherwise una…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 02:49 AM
4

Basic commitment seems too much to ask in the swiping age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:39 PM
10

I'm a struggling guy because I hold women to a moral standard, not an appearance one. We live in a world where that is one of the spiciest takes imaginable and gets shut down by red and blue pillers alike: "You're just angry because you don't have sex!"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 05:55 PM
1

What countries have you been to and do you recommend anywhere in particular? The "closest city" is so far away from me that even foreign countries are equally viable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:49 AM
1

I don't even know what that is lol, I play vidya at home
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:47 AM
1

Marriage is more like investing than gambling. There's an element of luck, but if you buy the right stock, you can manipulate that luck more than you could in blackjack.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:46 AM
1

Touching grass hasn't helped me because there is no one outside. Any events there are, or any other public space where approaching is socially acceptable, is populated exclusively with boomers, or with the odd young couple, but the environment is not conducive to relationship forming. I have heard this from other guys, so it's not just me, but I am curious how widespread this is. I do live in a low population US state and it almost seems like Gen Z girls all left for college and didn't return. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:19 AM
1

Can't even find women to attract, everyone in public is taken or 40+.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:43 AM
3

Anyone without God will replace him with something. For some people it's drugs, for some people it's their career, or otherwise their own hedonistic pleasure. I've seen this happen in real time. I believe this is a major cause of "strong career women" who have no time for a husband or children, leading to birth rate collapse, where very soon there literally won't be enough working people to support the old.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:24 AM
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As much church time as possible and have them socialize with church kids. Eventually they'll probably marry a church boy they grow up with. Having been raised myself in a religious bubble, secular thought in every space including PPD usually sounds nonsensical to me. Who am I kidding though, I won't have a daughter because no church girl ever thought I was marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 01:55 AM
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Statistics show arranged marriages have half the divorce rate of autonomous marriages. Why? My hypothesis is love develops from commitment and being forced to be around each other, not vice versa. Anecdotal evidence: some woman in China went to a man's apartment for a dinner date. Pretty much as soon as she got there, she decided that there wouldn't be a second date. As luck would have it, this happened the day of the first covid lockdown, and she couldn't go home -- this woman was stuck at his …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:40 PM
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Family is a big motivator. If it was just me starving, I'd just starve to death on my own. But if I had a wife and kids to feed, I would move mountains for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:09 PM
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Rather be starving with a family than rich without.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:27 PM
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It can't be scientific if everything is infinite.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:16 AM
3

Sex before marriage is just cheating on the spouse you haven't married yet. So either way it depends if she'll own up to it and try to heal with me instead of insisting it's my fault for being offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:50 PM
7

"Don't worry, it's in the past." This is distinct from "I'm sorry, but it's in the past."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 05:09 PM
1

How big of a role do you think location plays in the likelihood of finding a partner? Is it different in urban vs. rural environments? Does this affect the quality of people met there? What about different countries/states?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:51 PM
2

if she remembers 9/11 then I don’t want her! Now I feel old.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:44 PM
1

A Ferrari will fall apart on its own. A newer Honda will last me decades. But a Honda with 300K miles isn't trustworthy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:42 PM
1

A Ferrari will fall apart on its own. A newer Honda will last me decades. But a Honda with 300K miles isn't trustworthy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:42 PM
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It’s men pushing the idea around that they have to be 6’4 giant with a six figure salary and new Jag. ...to attract a woman. Men do not hold their height, their net worth, etc against each other except when competing for women, and even then they present themselves to the woman in these objective terms. It's something men do because they feel forced to in order to be competitive. And you're correct on your last point, the men who do push this idea of what they "have" to be, in many cases got the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:07 PM
1

Back in the old old days, if a couple wanted a divorce in some states, they'd have to plead their case to the state legislature and the state legislature would have to vote on it. Not everyone is perfect. On the one hand, people not mature enough to marry shouldn't marry in the first place (and in today's world, many people are doing just that). But also, people can still break even after the 8-year SuperMarriage (as someone else suggested, cases like PTSD combat veterans) and it's a huge traged…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:36 PM
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Men don't look at each other this way This is exactly, directly challenging OP's view
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:07 PM
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Woman does exactly what she accuses men of: the post. To many men, a man is worthless if he isn’t “high value” (hell - the terms high/low value themselves are very objectifying), and i think that’s why many men present their cases on why they’re datable in a very resume, “look at my qualifications” kind of way. Men don't look at each other this way. Women look at men this way, and men present themselves to women this way because their soft qualities aren't recognized. Women are viewed as objects…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 04:41 PM
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https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2007.03.002
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 02:28 AM
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Studies have found a negative correlation between IQ and chance of reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 01:04 AM
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Maybe not ban online dating apps, but Match Group needs a good old fashioned antitrust suit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 12:22 AM
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Something something half your age plus 7
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 03:37 PM
1

This comes from bluepillers too. Danny DeVito is short and he has a beautiful wife so height doesn't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 06:55 PM
12

Correct answer. Marriage is permanent by definition. A married couple should work out their differences to stay together, not drop each other like hot potatoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 03:41 AM
15

Less likely to get a harassment claim versus IRL approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 03:17 PM
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Women can do no wrong and I'm the bad guy for being offended when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:38 AM
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I don't claim to have numbers to back this up, only years of searching fruitlessly for a woman who isn't insane. I would hypothesize though that most people of both sexes who are worth their salt found each other and married younger, and those of us who are in the dating market at all past a certain age are defective in some way, resulting in these stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:35 PM
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Women do this as a rule. There are exceptions, but it's easier to find a needle in a haystack, so most men will just play "game" to get the hay instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:28 PM
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Hungary, Russia, and some other countries are straight up offering cash rewards to women who have several children and it hasn't put a dent in their marriage and birth rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:15 PM
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What's the point in any of that if there's no one to appreciate it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:29 PM
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It was far easier to think about other things during a time when finding a relationship didn't require all of our energy. Today it's so ridiculously hard that it takes all of our time and effort for a scrap of hope and there's nothing left for self-actualization or whatever you're getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:26 PM
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The truth does not fear investigation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:07 PM
1

So re-flair it as CMV, by deleting this you are showing your own bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 08:45 PM
5

I don't know about mandatory, but I understand there's a limit on how late you can do it before the courts will go "too late lol" and make you responsible anyway. That limit should be abolished, it shouldn't matter if the kid is 17.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:44 PM
3

The pills wouldn't even exist if men got 10% the attention from women on a daily basis that women do from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:13 PM
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Conservative women marry before 20 to a man she grew up with and none of this stuff even registers or matters to them. They never were in the dating market and never will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 03:55 AM
4

Yes, this is more true of the south in my experience than of the northwest where I'm at.
/r/seduction06/07/22 01:42 AM
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Southern California, the parts that aren't open air drug markets, contains some of the snootiest, most materialistic, rudest people maybe even on the planet, even worse than NYC in that department.
/r/seduction06/07/22 01:09 AM
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America is hit or miss depending on where you go because in addition to diverse population it is also diverse geographically because it is fuckhuge. This means there are urban centers, some of which are better places to be than others, and also massive expanses of absolutely nothing. I live in the latter setting, far away from any major city, and the dating pool is just as deserted as the land. I can't give you a perspective on what dating is actually like in American cities, but the fact that w…
/r/seduction06/07/22 01:07 AM
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Big cities in America are way more dangerous and NYC in particular has a reputation in America for going down the toilet in the last couple decades, both in shootings, stabbings, and general shittiness. Other cities you don't hear about as much (Chicago, Atlanta, Baltimore et al) because they have always been shit holes and everyone in America knows it. Chicago has all manner of shootings, see heyjackass.com for crime statistics there, it's quite fascinating. TL;DR you're not likely to get shot …
/r/seduction06/07/22 12:59 AM
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I want one (1) faithful wife to spend the rest of my life with and I missed the boat in high school, so now I have to play whatever stupid game adult women want to even have a chance.
/r/seduction22/06/22 08:49 PM
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Start approaching men, you may be surprised how well it's received.
/r/seduction19/06/22 03:13 PM
1

No, that's prohibitively expensive.
/r/seduction19/06/22 03:05 PM
1

I live in the rural USA where bar culture hasn't really survived the last decade and local bars are almost exclusively over-60s. The last time I went to a mall, too, it was completely empty of people except around the food court, and this was before any virus. Parks and beaches are nonexistent and open markets -- weekends.
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:50 PM
2

I have been thinking a lot about going to the local tourist trap. It's the only thing you suggest I haven't tried before, although they're all worth trying again under my new look.
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:25 PM
1

FB events are what bring this up, it's not a large city and everything is on Friday and Saturday
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:24 PM
10

I managed recently to reconnect and get a date with a girl I knew when I was about 10. She would take 8 hours or more to respond to my texts. When I finally went out with her, I figured out why: her phone was blowing up with messages faster than she could respond to them.
/r/seduction02/04/22 05:58 PM
3

All dating apps are owned by the same monopoly and profit from keeping people single. Including POF, which has added a camwhore feature.
/r/seduction21/03/22 05:14 PM
9

TL;DR
/r/seduction04/03/22 12:17 AM
1

20-something girls never seem to be anywhere off campus.
/r/seduction24/02/22 02:27 AM
1

Even nowadays arranged marriages have half the divorce rate of autonomous marriages.
/r/seduction26/12/21 04:17 PM
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Arranged marriages, still common in some parts of the world, used to be normal in the West too. In this system if a man wanted a woman, he would have to impress her father. So if the father didn't know who the man was, the man would have to introduce himself and make a good impression, prove his worth, etc. When arranged marriage ceased to exist in the West, men started attempting the same with women who were now making their own decisions. Source: dude trust me and my conjecture
/r/seduction25/12/21 10:01 PM
1

A hooker can go out and get sex whenever she wants too AND get paid for it. Hookers feed the imbalance just as much.
/r/seduction07/09/21 09:39 PM
5

Look at this guy actually getting matches.
/r/seduction07/09/21 09:14 PM
2

Should have got a filming loicence first.
/r/seduction07/09/21 09:07 PM
25

Because it's a cliche that only works for people who are already attractive.
/r/seduction18/08/21 10:15 PM
1

When people live together that is called a "common law marriage" and when she dumps you there is a good chance she will win half of your stuff in divorce proceedings despite never having been "officially" married. Double check your local laws but a lot of states and most of Canada do this. You can claim to not be married but when push comes to shove the court will disagree.
/r/seduction16/08/21 05:59 PM
2

If my wife/gf wants me to dress a certain way due to concerns that I'll lure in another woman, I honor that just the same. It's a two way street.
/r/seduction16/08/21 05:14 PM
1

So you are functionally married then. Marriage is the life together, not the flashy party beforehand. Here's hoping it lasts.
/r/seduction16/08/21 05:10 PM
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When she dumps you eventually, you are going to realize you will never get those 13 years back and you'll be at square one.
/r/seduction16/08/21 05:07 PM
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Casual dating is cancerous in itself. If you're not dating for marriage, you're dating for heartbreak. This needs to be posted at every street corner for how many people can't comprehend this.
/r/seduction16/08/21 04:58 PM
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If you're her partner you should be the ONLY one who gets to see that. That's what exclusivity is FOR.
/r/seduction16/08/21 04:53 PM
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If I could do that so easily, I would, but ugly girls are just as selective as any other.
/r/seduction30/07/21 05:31 PM
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Date in high school while you still can. Right now you see the same people every day and you can work on wooing someone over a period of time instead of trying to capture someone in the moment. After you graduate, this is no longer true and it becomes a LOT harder to meet anyone, dare I say impossible, because other people will stick with their old friends and you won't be able to break into their friend group. Source: thought I could put it off when I was your age and learned the hard way
/r/seduction30/07/21 04:12 PM
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Most gym rat women I've met are married to middle class men. Go out there and ask, and report back
/r/seduction26/07/21 04:30 PM
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Go ahead and ask the women at the gym about their partner. Most of them will probably tell you about him.
/r/seduction26/07/21 04:27 PM
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Women there probably aren't single.
/r/seduction26/07/21 04:07 PM
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I read somewhere once that male gorillas assert their dominance by strutting around showing off their dicks. There was a hypothesis that said humans have the same behavior, but it would be socially unacceptable as soon as civilization existed, so men resort to drawing dicks instead of whipping it out, and there is such documented penis vandalism going back at least 2000 years
/r/seduction28/06/21 04:02 PM
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