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The problem is that the bias against men around safety isn't applied racially to the extent it does apply. This makes it clear that it's not about seriousness of the issue, but just in- and out-group membership.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 03:41 PM
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Unfortunately, sex is a reproductive act Consent to sex has implied consent to a risk of conception. But since abortion has severed the causal relationship between conception and birth, that risk of conception shouldn't be deemed to be a risk of birth. Sex → Conception → Birth Women unilaterally control Conception → Birth. Morally, responsibility should only arise from control. It's women who have control over the critical step, hence men should only be responsible for a share of cost of abortio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:42 PM
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Consent to sex has implied consent to a risk of conception. But since abortion has severed the causal relationship between conception and birth, that risk of conception shouldn't be deemed to be a risk of birth. Sex → Conception → Birth Women unilaterally control Conception → Birth. Morally, responsibility should only arise from control. It's women who have control over the critical step, hence men should only be responsible for a share of cost of abortion and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:40 PM
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I talked to and made out with a girl, after a while her friend took her away and I never saw her for the rest of the night. She never tried to find me. The next day she added me via mutual friends on Facebook and we met up again.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 01:23 PM
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What subreddit are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 02:38 PM
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I didn't say they were. Similarly SEA women aren't poor due to PPBs. You keep avoiding addressing the practices that I specifically criticize about Onlyfans. For instance, advertising on datint websites; nurturing parasocial relationships with "girlfriend experiences"; being willing to take money from financially vulnerable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:47 PM
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Well that's not really true. When I tried the passport feature most of the women I matched with had a university education. In fact that was true no matter where I've swiped (Sweden, UK, Philippines). But anyway who said PPBs primarily use those methods of meeting. So much of these responses are just people conjecturing about PPBs from memes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:33 PM
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Because there's an increasing number of lonely, isolated men. Because many of these women are targeting online dating platforms (which even many other creators appear to view as unethical). Because they're offering services like "girlfriend experience" or "findom".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:27 PM
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What's offensive to you on the front page of /r/thepassportbros right now? Excluding downvoted content.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:14 PM
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Many are also lonely and vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:10 PM
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The women they're dating aren't struggling to survive; the men who are being exploited are vulnerable and isolated. It is different, but not in the way you keep alluding to, but refusing to make an actual argument for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:10 PM
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Western men can date upper middle class women in the Philippines.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:09 PM
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Airports are targeting a richer than average demographics; Onlyfans girls are often targeting desperate, lonely men. You also provided no basis for why you think the women are exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:07 PM
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It's a meme that they say all these things but when I check the subreddits they're talking about dating and marrying educated traditional women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:01 PM
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Yeah, but you're not answering the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:59 PM
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Cam girls are similar I imagine. Books aren't nurturing parasocial relationships, don't cost a substantial portion of men's earnings for starters, and aren't being bought out of desperation for a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:57 PM
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They're mostly university educated women, living frugal lifestyles. They have phones, jobs, food, housing. I get the feeling you don't really understand other countries much. We lifted over 1 billion people out of poverty in the last 25 years. The percentage in poverty is estimated to be the lowest of any point in history. Many previously destitute places now have emerging middle classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 02:45 PM
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I did. You didn't until a glib comment at the very end. Mostly you attacked PPBs. But let me paraphrase it for you: A guy choosing to waste his money on porn is not the same thing as exploiting the poor. I get that you think that but you're just asserting your belief without argument. There’s a reason governments came up with laws to curb exploitation of the poor. Policy is often a function of popularity or special interest more than moral conviction. Also, there is no law against dating foreign…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 02:39 PM
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Look, if you argue for libertarian values then of course both are ethical within that framework. But this thread is explicitly addressing those who believe passport bros are unethical (read the title).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 02:06 PM
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There are way too many posts about “submissive Asian women” and “awful hypergamous western women” showing both sexism and racism. Isn't the argument that western women are entitled? Most cultures' women are somewhat hypergamous? OF creators are as exploitative as booze stores or weed sellers. Except the analogy is "booze stores that are knowingly targeting alcoholics". On a side note some OF creators are being exploited. Sounds like a crime, but it's irrelevant to this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 01:49 PM
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Your comments seem disjointed and I don't see an argument really. To answer your last question, I suspect they pay for Onlyfans because they're lonely, not just horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 01:15 PM
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This actually isn't a debate about the ethics of passport bros, the focus is on the comparative ethics of Onlyfans creators which you haven't addressed. The other thread handled passport bros. Did you just compare idiots who waste their money on porn to people struggling to survive? Incels and lonely, sexless men have very high rates of suicide. I suspect the women in SEA have substantially better quality of life than these guys. You're also avoiding addressing the fact that creators seek out th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 01:01 PM
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Is it though? Wasting their money on creators that don't really care about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 12:20 PM
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Almost every relationship has some amount of leverage. You didn't really address my argument. For example, if a woman assaults or abuses a man she'll receive a lesser sentence. That gives women leverage. So are you concerned for men in the UK? Then you don't read PPB subreddits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 09:05 PM
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Almost every woman I know has been cheated on at some point in time. But that's not contrary evidence to what I'm saying. My claim is there are both more men who will cheat and more men who are truly committed than women. Monkey branching isn't cheating, it's just hedging.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 09:01 PM
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A lot of women maintain those relationships while taken though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:59 PM
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That's low resolution. It can be true that men cheat more but that women are willing to monkey branch easier. The point is there are a large minority of men who won't cheat or monkey branch. There's a smaller minority of women who won't cheat or monkey branch.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:44 PM
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There does seem to be more of a willingness for women to monkey branch even when both partners are meeting their obligations though. Like, yes, both genders will walk if obligations are broken, but there seem to be few women who won't walk if a better option comes along. I know a lot of guys will too, but many men seem to truly invest in their women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:30 PM
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I can think of many female friends who monkey branched surprisingly casually.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:23 PM
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And the goalposts move again. I'm not red pill. Argue against my arguments only. If a man makes one dollar more than a woman, then she would be "dating up financially." That doesn't make it a financial boon. We both know that's not the reality. So 3-4x as many men are making just marginally more? Stop clutching. I don't see anything in this that says men do not also receive out of court disposals. Maybe the part that says it's a female offender strategy. The same is not applied to men. Your spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:25 PM
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I'm making a generalization which is appropriate because the contention against PPBs is also a generalization. In some other posts I cited data, so it's not just bitterness as you're so enthusiastic to insinuate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:09 PM
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I never suggested my personal experiences have anything to do with the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 01:25 PM
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This is just red pill nonsense, plain and simple. There is no such thing as "dating privilege," especially since red pillers themselves claim it is only easy for women to get sex, not relationships. I mean, it's been quanitfied by dating data. That discussion has been resoundindly won so I'm not going to revisit it. Also, I think the red pillers' position is that it's difficult for women to get top-tier relationships, not just regular guys. Secondly, the belief that relationships are typically f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 01:23 PM
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Any relationship probably involves a trade of some kind so you can always focus on some leverage the guy has over the girl. But you're completely omitting women's privilege again. In the UK women are specifically diverted from prison (where a man would be imprisoned), given preference in hiring and promoting decisions, given more access to scholarships, subsidized by men via taxation, and have easier access to dating. Why aren't you worried about women exploiting their privileges in the west? Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 09:39 AM
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Are women in the west wrong to leverage their dating privilege for financial gain? What makes the use of a privilege morally wrong? Don't gynocentric policies in the UK say (diverting women from prison; subsidizing women with men's tax; biased courts; easier dating; preference for hiring women) create situations ripe for abuse against men? And why does the mere potential for abuse (present in nearly every relationship since two people are rarely close on all metrics of privilege) get brought up …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 09:05 AM
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Women have easy access to sex and relationships in the west. Men have that in SEA. When women use their privilege to date richer men for financial gain that's fine. When men use their relative privilege in SEA it's "exploiting" a financial difference. One is using a social privilege for financial gain; the other is using a financial privilege for social gain. I would note: women in the west are implicitly endorsing the trading of social and financial gains by their behavior of dating richer. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:54 AM
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I don't answer such questions. But you're free to make an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:02 PM
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Six figures is an okay amount for someone to demand, again, especially if they're looking for a relationship and they have the ability to provide that salary or close to it themselves. If someone has a salary of $1M they can reasonable demand $1M. I would say a gold digger is anyone looking for a millionaire or close to it. Someone who makes six figures will likely end up a millionaire sooner rather than later if they save...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:51 PM
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A gold-digger is someone who places a particular high priority on resources though. There's enough to live a good, even luxurious lifestyle, and then there's "he has to make 6 figures".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:30 PM
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That sounds unlikely or not the whole story. In their own words, what was the complaint? What's your sample size? Did you pay for Tinder Gold?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:56 PM
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I get the impression that a lot of passport bros are decently attractive, well-off and fun to be around. So I'm not so sure that socioeconomic reasons are the only ones at play. Dating in the west is heavily female advantaged. On Tinder I get a few matches a week in the UK. When I tried SEA and even Sweden I got a lot more matches. The US gave me zero matches. To an extent women are gold-diggers everywhere. Not all of them of course, but I don't see many western women choosing men with far lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:20 PM
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The stereotype is that they stop going out as much in general. Also clubbing is usually a friend activity. That argument feels like something you don't really believe but that conveniently satisfies the corollaries of the arguments made so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 07:30 PM
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It's literally a stereotype that couples stop going out with their friends as much... Part of that is commitments, but part is there's less interest in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 04:42 PM
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Couples don't go clubbing nearly as much. Which is consistent with the hypothesis that a reason women go clubbing is male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 01:32 PM
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No need to give up on the UK completely. The same people pushing this stuff are also working in America to do the same. In fact many states in America already use sentencing risk assessment algorithms that take sex, but not race, into account despite your 14th amendment. These algorithms classify men more negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 10:31 AM
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Take diverting women from prison for crimes men would be imprisoned for: The Conservatives, The Lib Dems and Labour Party all support it. I'm sure they'd almost all consider themselves feminists. Looking at debates on this kind of policy in the AskFeminists subreddit there was a fair amount of support, although admittedly many of the answers were vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 10:25 PM
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Hiring where gender is hidden with a voice changer didn't find evidence of bias. Where's your evidence that women in recent times are treated worse than men in tech? Girls exposed to andogens prenatally develop male toy and career preferences. How are you so sure it's not just biology?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 09:56 PM
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Feminists in the UK want to largely exempt women from prison. Feminists in the UK want to be advantaged in hiring decisions. Feminists in the UK want mysogyny, but not misandry, to be a crime. All major political parties are neutral or support these policies, despite them each being a human rights abuse. Who's oppressed again?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 09:48 PM
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I love that so many guys are struggling to understand “you either fuck the women that are available to you or don’t fuck at all”. I love that so many women are struggling to understand "you either work the job that is available to you or don't work at all". Is my response right for the gender pay gap? And look, women's dating advantage in the west is largely a function of being subsidized by the government. So it's not like this outcome arose from a perfect free and fair market anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:54 PM
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What gynocentric policies exist in the west? I gave you one: the policy of giving women community sentences when men would be imprisoned. See this. Not only does it not work (see later research) but it violates the notion of equality under the law. How do you men support women through their tax dollars? Women collect the majority of welfare but men contribute the majority of tax revenue. Women pay way less tax than men. Women also live longer, so draw state welfare longer. In New Zealand we have…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:27 PM
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In the UK feminists are trying to exempt women from prison, and censor anti-feminists. Equality under the law and free speech are human rights being stripped from men. Men are forced to subsidize women financially with taxes almost everywhere. You already have human rights, handouts and gynocentric policies in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 12:42 AM
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Women aren’t at fault for having options; we as a group didn’t create that dynamic. The men who act like we did and treat us with disdain are genuinely mean people aren’t going to inspire women to stick around to hear what he has to say. Most of the sexual dynamic in the west is due to political gynocentrism. (I know that's a big claim so I'm happy to flesh out the argument for that more.) We give women handouts at every stage. Women as a group absolutely petitioned for special privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:56 AM
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Most girlfriends get charitable treatment and aren't pregnant or caring for infants.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:10 PM
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Gestation and child care are not required at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:16 PM
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Most of that attention is unwanted because you have even better choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 05:02 PM
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You're so inundated with attention that you can't or won't imagine being actually ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:38 PM
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What a privileged response.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:13 PM
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What a privileged response.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:12 PM
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Within class but man slightly higher still.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:36 PM
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It's statistically rare. Point not refuted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:34 PM
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When were doctors ever considered hot n sexy? See this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:25 PM
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How would you know if you met an incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:48 PM
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Pretty sure those women aren't going to know. And if they are aware of his travels he won't frame it like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 12:01 PM
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If you read my comments thoroughly you will see that I didn't "cast judgement" Hmm (emphasis mine)... And let me tell you, these guys are the losers who couldn't get a girlfriend at home, most of them couldn't hold down a job for long at home either. Usually anger issues, lack of social skills, failure to launch syndrome or just being a weirdo/creep. ​ No, the reason I gave was that these guys couldn't get a girlfriend at home. Hmm (emphasis mine)... They inevitably treated the woman like shit b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 11:11 PM
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You would need to survey many women to find this out. But you didn't need that level of rigor to cast judgement... The fact that I could get another man if I left the one I was with was never a reason to treat the one I'm with like shit. But you gave that as the explanatory factor in why these men treated women like shit. In your own case suddenly you don't believe the causation... The fact that you even think this is normal and not shocking for someone to do if given the opportunity tells me al…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:34 PM
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Why would you argue back? If that happens to such a large extent dating will become easy in the West again. Either way, looks unlikely in the foreseeable future.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:15 PM
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They inevitably treated the woman like shit because they knew if she leaves, they can very easily get another one. Does the same ability for Western women to get a new guy make Western women treat Western men like "shit"? If not, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:04 PM
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Males exhibit similar behaviors. Males know they would allow a beautiful woman to come up and dance with him but they would be disgusted if an extremely unattractive woman tried to do the same. I haven't heard men claiming there isn't a double standard for attractive women. But some women do claim that unattractive men are treated equally. Also, men feeling creeped out isn't given as much importance as for women. Women don't often get kicked out of clubs for being perceived as creepy to men. Par…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 12:15 PM
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You're engaged. And how many times have you asked girls or guys out? But the point is any of these can make people uncomfortable: A lull in the conversation where both people don't know how to continue Someone expressing contrasting values or beliefs Being unsure how the other person perceives you Being slightly too open Being too stiff and wooden Wondering how to hint you're not interested without seeming rude Wondering irrationally if he's an axe murderer Wondering if your laugh sounds like to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 11:31 AM
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The vast majority of initial romantic interactions are at least slightly uncomfortable. Feminist women who obsess over comfort are using their privileged position as selectors, instead of initiators, to set unrealistic standards for a role they never have to play. Additionally, if they did have to play the role they would do no better - as we can see on Bumble.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:12 AM
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That's not an issue provided you are careful with sampling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:23 PM
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Does he approach them as they're buying tampons though?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 04:46 PM
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This is debating where normal guys might approach women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 01:58 PM
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Sacrosanct? Really going all out with the hyperbole, huh? You were hyperbolic when you gave this as an example: rando asking for a phone number while we’re buying tampons in Target
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:24 AM
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Classical liberalism is the politics that arose from Enlightenment philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:11 PM
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the whole point is that women’s needs are as important as a man’s needs when dating. Shouldn't you be centering the oppressed's needs which you just identified as men? Like what would your solution be to men having a harder time dating? Most of the advantages women have in dating are created by left-wing policies to start with. So maybe we could extend the left-wing treatment to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 02:41 AM
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As for Liberalism, it has always been nothing more than an apology for the excesses of the current dogma. Dude, the backbone of all the most free and prosperous societies in the world is not just about entrenched interests...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 02:36 AM
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That's a very narrow way of framing things. A lot of the help women are given is by constantly talking about their issues and driving behavior which, even if theoretically not determined by government, is highly influenced in practice. Defunding feminist campaigns, lowering tax rates, and legalizing prostitution would all affect the general dating market too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 02:33 AM
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Look, I tend to agree that this behavior is likely exploitative. But the corollary is that women in the west are exploitative too. They live atop a social hierarchy which is as stark.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 02:06 AM
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It appears the voting margin for 18-29 men is 12%, which means 44% Republican to 56% Democrat split. Feminism went mainstream with similar stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:23 PM
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Pretty much men always do the planning even if it's minimal. I'd guess most people show up if you check in to confirm just before the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:49 PM
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If the guy plans and shows up he's done more than the woman has. I think effort should be focused on attentiveness during the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:38 PM
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I think you're blurring definitions but please elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:42 PM
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Those "pressures" are men's preferences which are fine. Women also have pressures. Also this debate is quickly focused on a single factor: women's time out of work and men's influence on that. But firstly, many women want to be stay-at-home and, secondly, other factors such as degree choice are also a large parrt. The point remains, discrimination at work is not a significant factor in the difference in average wages. No serious economist believes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 05:53 PM
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Okay, but none of that is discrimination in the workplace. It's men and women freely choosing how to cooperate and its consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 05:26 PM
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If you've followed the gender debates over the years (and the fact you're here suggests you have) and still believe that I don't know what to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:14 PM
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Unless you split finances completely then one person will almost certainly out-earn the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:11 PM
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I'm not saying it never happens. But quite a lot of women will temporarily take on that role for a man who they believe has potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 04:09 PM
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Men still make more money That's not inequality. Women are paid fairly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:20 PM
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When there’s gender equality, men have more freedom about how they express themselves and can be free from conforming to traditional gender roles such as being a provider. And how many women want to take the provider role? As always with feminism, women's benefits are tangible and men's are theoretical.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:08 PM
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Okay, you're right I don't really know. I guess I consider threats or insults minor. Actual violence is much rarer. I was recently physically threatened but I knew there was little risk of it going anywhere if I didn't escalate. Perpetrator is irrelevant; we're talking about victims. In any case, I don't see how anecdotes help us...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:15 PM
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As upsetting as it might be it doesn't sound like you were in much danger. Guys face similar. But I've never said it doesn't happen ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:03 PM
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In every context, no. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:41 AM
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You are determined to talk about anecdotes aren't you? I will concede you've shown it occaisonally happens, but then I would have granted that from the beginning. Now perhaps you'll provide evidence that it's a serious risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:31 AM
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So then it’s not safe to no. You just wrote "so" before the conclusion you wanted. There's no argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:29 AM
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Non sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:16 AM
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Most situations where someone asks for a number are in public around other people. It's definitely much more akwardness than rational safety concerns. What I think some women are doing is elevating their fears to to evidence they were in fact unsafe. This is compounded by being in a bubble which perpetuates a "dangerous world for women" narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:16 AM
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You -> friend -> friend -> friend Like you can reliably know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:03 AM
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If women aren't responding to texts it's because they have felt unsafe rejecting men? I'm saying there is selection bias in the women who give their experiences. Who said it is such a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:40 AM
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No, see what happens is that neurotic women like yourself tend to speak for other women. Asking women isn't a sound means to test this hypothesis for many reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:14 AM
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How do you know most girls have a rejection story? What an entitled mindset you have. No one gets laid for whiteknighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:03 AM
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It is safe to say no. It's not men's job to police other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 09:53 AM
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I'm pointing out that soft-power is more important and resides more with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:16 PM
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Anecdote is worthless when we have systematic studies. I did the same anecdotal comparison and found the contrary result in the UK but it's meaningless. People see what they already believe. If a woman's product is cheaper then you can always rationalize that it's inferior, etc. We need systematic studies. Also, the paper doesn't say there's absolutely no differences in any store or for any product class. It says on average some things are more expensive but some are cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:20 PM
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The paper suggests women's razors are cheaper. Unless you study it systematically it's hard to reliably control for features, quality, bundling, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 04:46 PM
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Average men love to blame women for everything, but they’re being screwed most by other men. Men enact the policies, but women have soft-power and vote more. The vast majority of the top income earners pay less tax than the average person, some pay none at all. How do you explain stats like the top 1% paying over a third of all tax?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:27 AM
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Tax is inconsistent, not sexist. Soap was also taxed in the UK for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:08 AM
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There isn't a pink tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 10:05 AM
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You have to buy the games too, which are like $60 each now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 04:58 PM
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He's saying the short man will have to partner with an obese woman who will eventually suffer medical complications.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 08:27 PM
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This is an illusion. Women are subsidized by the government. They receive more tax money than they contribute. Is not much of an argument and more anecdotal. Any functional adult can care for themselves, mostly. Those industries are male dominated due to merit. Read the literature. If women dominate society financially, they'll find themselves paying for men one way or another. A large number of men will demand subsidies. All of this ignores demography, AI and some other trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:53 PM
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Legally and morally she is free to change her mind. Legally she's free to accept even when she has no interest. I'm saying that's not moral though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:31 PM
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Sure, but it's an asshole move to accept in the first place if you have no interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:28 PM
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I'm not saying she should have made her mind up, just that her mind should be open to the possibility. If she's not interested, she should decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:05 PM
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From Wikipedia... The kidnappers held Vigliarolo prisoner for 15–20 days. During that time, three men and four women, including Hylton, starved, burned, beat, sexually assaulted/raped, and tortured him. In January 1991, the New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division rejected Hylton's challenges relating to duress and found her other arguments "unpersuasive and meritless," noting that she had made an "elaborate confession, which was corroborated by ample evidence." On August 20, 2020, the Democra…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:33 PM
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The woman accepting should be an indication she is interested. Otherwise that's purposely exploiting a guy's gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:50 AM
1

Individuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:48 AM
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Progressive men aren't attacking us. There's nothing more dangerous to women than the male feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:09 PM
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This cult lacks character, it tells to leverage your wealth even if it's exploitive to a woman's financial state to get what you want hence the passport bros and the like. Wait, how is leveraging your wealth to your advantage exploitative? And if so, surely women leveraging their sexual marketplace advantages is too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 07:57 PM
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It's pretty obvious that someone who has broken up with many partners is likely to breakup again... This is analogous to saying married couples are financially stable therefore getting married will you make you financially stable The use of the word "make" is what changes this to being different. Here's the analogous statement: This is analogous to saying married couples are usually financially stable therefore getting married suggests you're more likely to be financially stable How in the world…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 11:30 PM
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Considering my education in statistics, yes. As said if it's not casual it's a proxy and still a red flag. Do you know what a proxy variable is?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 10:53 PM
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Either it's causal or it's a proxy for a trait which is causal. Either way it's a red flag. You also cherry-picked and slightly misreprented the data. We see with the most recent cohort (2000s) that's there's a fairly consistent positive gradient, with 10+ partners having the highest chance of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 10:31 PM
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Relationships don't have to be symmetric. Why shouldn't men (or women) negotiate for traits they themselves don't posess? After all, at a very fundemental level every heterosexual relationship is asymmetrical to some degree. The better question is always to ask what the economic balance is. And, further, whether that is fair. For instance, I'd suggest that the welfare state redistributing men's economic output to women biases the market substantiially since producing is a large part of masculine…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 09:12 PM
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Sex is not a fully rationalizeable act. You're just imposing your own values as better than men's. There's nothing intellectual about your argument. From a somewhat rational perspective there are two negatives to high body count in women: Relationships with those women are statistically less likely to last There is a greater opportunity to contract an STD with more partners
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 09:02 PM
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This reads like a female version of the red pill humble brags I always see.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 10:29 AM
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People don't share a religion any more for a start. You can see many people are reaching for an alternative of some kind but that only divides people further. Modernism is dead. People stretch definitions and principals to their ends. Lived expierences are elevated to the importance of statistics. So no one has a shared reality any more. Demographics are heavily in decline in Europe, Japan and Korea. To compensate governments have shifted debt to record levels. Both debt and demographics reduce …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:42 PM
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I don't care about the past for men either. We only affect the present and future.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:37 AM
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yet don't care when it's unfair but to the woman Where did you get that from? Yet again you ignore the substance of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:27 AM
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I don't caree about history. It's irrelevant to now. Why don't you respond to my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 01:30 AM
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Women's progress in society is mostly through political subversion of liberal democracy not personal improvement. For instance, the extended welfare state redistributes men's money to women. Affirmative action, same. Gynocentrism in courts, same. Avoidance of the draft, same. It's hard then to see how it's men who are entitled. If we withdrew our tax subsidies etc, women's newfound independence would disappear. Because it's an illusion maintained by proxy through the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:56 PM
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Didn't see this chain of messages until now but your analysis is overemphasizing minor details and neglecting major factors. Women's contribution to childcare has little benefit for GDP or taxation. In theory it helps by allowing men to work. But, for instance, look at this paper in which the universal provision of childcare was found to increase GDP a measly 0.2%. You also didn't mention prison which is a more significant cost against men. But given women contribute less economically (lower wag…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 04:06 PM
2

respecting other cultures and not taking advantage of it Taking advantage of what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 02:09 AM
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Why are you so concerned about women being exploited when it also goes the other way? That's why there's push back to your concern: it's selective and as ever casts men as perps and women as victims. All relationships with a power imbalance have some potential for abuse. In sex tourism the man usually has money and citizenship and the woman has sex appeal. Both sit atop respective hierarchies. But by the same principle, shouldn't you be worried about western women exploiting the power imbalance …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 01:58 AM
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Easy to say when men pay for most of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 08:15 PM
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You seem to hate women. You're inferring that from my quote? That quote is relevant and objective economics. Also, that isn't an example of "random facts that are supposed to be about a whole sex, which [are] statistically impossible". You maybe need to improve reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:26 PM
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random facts that are supposed to be about a whole sex, which is statistically impossible Example?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:19 AM
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Men don't have even close to the political and social capital that women do so they can't make effective movements. Feminists may not be actively trying to harm men, but they don't care about worsening their outcomes to achieve what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:15 AM
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It mostly is a zero-sum game. Giving resources to women deprives men of those resources. Allocating resources doesn't increase supply, only demand. Feminists "don't hate men" is only true overtly. When feminists refuse to apply even their principles consistently we can tell how little you care. Every minor concession feminists do give is clearly reluctant or with an agenda. Look at how UN Women "celebrate" interntional men's day. Or even you conceding that men have problems - you want support fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 11:25 PM
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And before you realized those things why was he your crush?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 07:01 PM
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Men don't have to infringe on women's liberty, they just need to demand lower taxation and equal legal rights. It only takes a small economic advantage to push dating to being more equal. Women right now get the financial benefits of dating without giving anything back. It would free up more money for men to self-improve and reduce women's ability to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 06:49 PM
2

What about if choice 2 is Steve Buscemi?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 04:59 PM
2

What about if choice 2 looked like Adam Driver?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 04:54 PM
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Who wants those kids? The women and men whose kids they are, not the men not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:22 PM
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But they "never stick around for long"...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 12:30 PM
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Your answer is an appeal to individualism yet OP mentions multiple women. If women are rating men realistically shouldn't at least one woman be into his "type"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 07:46 PM
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"You must accept my contentions or I won't debate further than casting aspersions on the debate"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:30 PM
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Only works if other men do it too. Women's lower libidos achieve such a collective effect. Currently despite men's dropping testosterone our libidos seem higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:50 PM
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I don't necessarily endorse these but: Easier migration programs for women to come to Western countries Reduced taxation generally (so men keep more money and women receive less) Various policies to make marriage more financially appealing to men Social campaigns to promote marriage Stop spending money on feminist campaigns Legalize prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 05:15 PM
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Although you may be right, how do you know your boyfriend hadn't heard of RP or incels? Because he told you? That's what a RP or previously incel man would tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:29 PM
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If that were the case, you're essentially forcing men who have little sex to subsidize women and men who have a lot. So thanks for illustrating my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:35 PM
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Not really. We pay more tax and receive less benefits (in monetary terms) than women. Also, the point is that lesser needs of women are considered, such as their work-life balance and career aspirations, so sex is absolutely on the table too. And no, that doesn't mean anyone being compelled to do anything. There are all kinds of ways to help men's dating indirectly, including just reducing tax taken and spending on women's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:50 PM
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"Essential" isn't even relevant. Governments meddle in markets all the time, including social markets with feminist campaigns. So why shouldn't governments intervene in favour of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 04:27 PM
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If the comparison is men vs women, you can't just choose it to be men vs you. The relevant analysis is at the group level. The reason you're happy to give up some money is because it affects you less. For men, the money he earns is part of his identity and status. The equivalent would be for society to tax women to pay for prostitutes. That would be using your own money to reduce your status. If that happened you'd feel it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:00 AM
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Individuality dominates average differences. Women are more varied in what they look for than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 09:20 PM
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If you have nice features and are getting compliments from women frequently you’re off to a descent start Oh no, it's all down from here...??
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:02 PM
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All sound like great arguments. Care to give a reason why you disagree? Or are they automatically invalid because you preempted them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:32 AM
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It's not opinion. It's an assertion like your argument is. I'm nice enough to be well regarded professionally and personally. Sounds like something that helps your career. I can be combative, doesn't mean I'm not kind. I'm just not obsequious. So nothing...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:53 PM
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Most women don't have casual sex? Maybe if you include older women too, but the relevant statistic is a young cohort.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:36 PM
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I thought we shouldn't care what the benefits of being nice are? People gravitate towards nice winners first, then mean winners, then nice losers and last of all mean losers. Being nice has some effect, but it's completely secondary. I always wonder how nice the people who preach this are. What have you done for someone in your outgroup recently with no expectation of reward?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:31 PM
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Being nice has no real association with success in either direction. No one owes you niceness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:02 PM
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Dating mostly applies to younger age brackets...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:25 PM
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And TRP isn't new either really. But key ideas, such as 80:20, gym, looksmaxing, being disagreeable, feminism going too far, etc are becoming more widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:51 PM
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I'm not red pill so I'm not sure how to take this comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:28 PM
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So? Ideologies spread gradually and with revision.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:24 PM
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I'm not red pill. But I don't understand your argument. Is it just an appeal to what you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:22 PM
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It doesn't matter what people think of Tate. The core arguments are based on statistics which create a coherent narrative. It's the same situation as feminism in 2015. Also, look around you: Yoon Suk-yeol elected in South Korea Jordan Peterson more mainstream than ever Joe Rogan is the #1 podcast
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 12:51 PM
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It's about responsibility, who is responsible for manufacturing the weapon? The last person on the assembly line or everyone who willingly and knowingly participated in the assembly line, together? It seems obvious it would be the latter to me. You seem to be suggesting it would be the former because the last guy could have decided to throw the incomplete weapon in the trash undoing the work of those who preceded. All are responsible for manufacturing the weapon. But that's not helpful as an exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:29 PM
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That shows contribution to creation, which is distinct to moral responsibility for creation. It's just a restated appeal to the "but for" test. In your example, the planting of a bomb is itself immoral so it's not equivalent. There is no harmed party if a woman has the option, but not obligation, to give birth and consented to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 05:46 PM
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Being pregnant requires changes to diet and general lifestyle. There is no default since her behavior will, as explained, deviate from non-pregnancy either way. And even if we grant your premise that birth is the default, so what? She clearly has unilateral control. You're making the distinction between action and inaction do a lot of work. This is not generally accepted in ethics. For instance, see this case where a man was found guilty for not assisting a woman who was drowning. His inaction w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 05:38 PM
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A woman must change something either way. Both abortion and pregnancy require divergence from non-pregnant behavior. She makes a choice implicitly and the choice is unilateral. The result follows completely from her implicit choice. The money example needs fleshing out. Is it a gift? Did you ask someone to hold your wallet? Was there a mistake? When you do, I think you'll find it fails...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:20 PM
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Men can make a fully informed decision about whether they want to do something that leads to pregnancy or not. Sure but irrelevant. If they choose the pregnancy option, they can't avoid that responsibility. Sure but irrelevant again. Pregnancy is not birth. And yes, they're responsible even if someone else could choose to give them an out. Legally right now, sure. Morally, make an argument please! The law isn't likely to change for decades, if ever, so if you're not interested or able to debate …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:58 PM
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A child won't exist without the decisions of both. That is known as the "but for" test in ethics. That isn't sufficient to assess causation in most contemporary moralities. Did Hitler's mother bring about world war two? They know exactly what sex does. It puts women in a sutation where they can create a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:39 PM
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Men don't create children. They only do the initial step. Responsibility goes hand in hand with control. Women have sole control anywhere abortion is legal. To say men create children is to say gun manufacturers kill people. The reason people don't view it this way is that abortion is very recent. Until then, men did create children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 08:22 PM
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Yes, taxes apply equally regardless of gender of course. That's a very uncharitable interpretation. Your respect is worthless to me and nothing suggested infringes HRs even slightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:48 PM
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Support and argue for men to keep more of their tax money. More money means more self-investment and women will be less able to depend on men (via the state) without offering something in return. Support prostitution being legal. Even if a man wouldn't personally use a sex worker themselves, women and many feminists realize that it will reduce the demand for sex and equal the playing field in the regular market too. Socially enforce realistic standards for women. Alot of women seem to next men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 01:55 PM
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No, you're just unable to see your values are far from universal. For instance sex isn't merely about the physical act, it's a much broader experience, so prostitution is not a solution for many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 08:04 PM
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Eww. Typical feminist "bargain": women get tangible benefits, men get vague "benefits".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:08 PM
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And not research apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:28 PM
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Not according to economists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:27 PM
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And a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:54 PM
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Sounds like those "pink-taxed" products are actually not like for like then... And those are the price of maximum strength branded pads in the UK (rounded up to the nearest £).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:51 PM
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I think we should cut some women's spending and generally reduce the state slightly. Men will continue to pay more tax compared with what they receive, but it will align things slightly more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:19 PM
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Why is it that feminists like you always go to extreme cases, instead of arguing the general rule? We both know that is almost never the case. The FTC literally conducted research on this: We do not find evidence of a systematic pink tax: women’s products are more expensive in some categories (e.g., deodorant) but less expensive in others (e.g., razors). On periods, the cost of a large pack of pads is under £3, so the cost per lifetime is approximately (45-15)*12*3 = £1080. The average man proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:10 PM
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Look, the statistics have been done and they're a Google away from you. It's known that women receive more tax than they pay in across western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:57 AM
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How can you even think that a few pounds a month for half your life is comparable to the amount men subsidize women? Have you no sense of economics? The pink tax is mostly not like-for-like. I'm a guy and buy majority women's or gender-neutral cosmetic products because they are better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:51 AM
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If men kept more of the money they earned it would improve their position.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:48 AM
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Teachers get paid a middle class salary for a relatively comfortable job that around half the population can do. Truck drivers and construction workers get paid very well. But what a silly way of thinking. It's irrelevant to our debate and anyway one gets paid in accordance with value, supply and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:47 AM
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Party candidatures have never been democratic. The imposition by the state violates an essential property of democracy: non-interference. Political parties' methods of choosing candidates can't be antidemocratic since the property of being democratic is a set of requirements on a country, not a party. You're trying to equate a broader, vaguer sense of "democracy" while seemingly arguing against the firm, essential principles of democracy. Why are you defending something that is a human rights vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:42 AM
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Because they make different career choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:33 AM
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I stand by my arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:28 PM
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Oh my god. I guess when you don't have a response, you make an argument this bad? Is it worse than not making an argument at all? I never said anything about changing status. I mentioned women's fields like nursing and childcare which have historically been and remained women's fields being undervalued relative to how essential their labor is. Okay, but that's again just your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:21 PM
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Of course men do. But women live longer and pay less tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:19 PM
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Men pay more tax and women use the welfare state more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:18 PM
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Give me the evidence. The literature I've read does not show that all factors affecting men and women as a class cancel out in their professional success leading to the current differences being entirely left to Merit. Because you're idealogical I suspect or not that well read. Household chores affect the labor load on women, making it less likely that they will pursue opportunities or work overtime. The government doesn't regulate women's domestic arrangements... No we have not. Reread it. Most…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:04 PM
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Women can do as they please with their spare time, it doesn't entitle them to men's taxes. Equating that as the reason is disingenuous or reductive. Also, equating all examples of men taking care of women as abusive is sexist and wrong. I don't have time to properly cite, including dissenting studies, but a quick cherry-picked Google reveals this article which is the result I referenced.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:10 PM
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I have not seen any proof that the systemic forces that affect the pay of men and women cancel out. The literature shows this. Read it. There's a time I would argue with people like you, but I probably never convinced a single feminist. Briefly though, household chores have nothing to do with pay in the workplace. We've already been through the "young women" argument. Women's fields haven't been devalued because women entered them; job descriptions changed despite names staying the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:06 PM
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Political party postings have never ever been democratic. Most internal positions in a party are unelected. You misunderstand, the state literally forbids parties to have unequal numbers of men and women candidates. That isn't a party-specific choice (in a democratic system they must be free to use any method they choose). I haven't posited it as a right but a belief about the way Democracy ought to be. I don't believe any one woman or any group of women has a right to be in congress, but rather…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:58 PM
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You're doing the age old feminist linguistic trick: avoid talking about policies and statistics and talk about specific cases and outcomes. For every one of these effects, which are real and a problem I will grant, there is one that faces men... Such that in aggregate, they are statistically irrelevant. I'm not missing anything. We know that either these cases are no common enough to matter or that men face similar, equal and opposite effects. I'm extremely well-read on this issue sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:54 PM
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Nobody proposed installing women in power. Merely achieving so via campaigning and voting. Feminists did. For instance, in France, Sweden and other countries they have mandatory gender-quotas for political parties. Feminists have degraded these countries to the point of not even being full liberal democracies... It does, actually. Democracy is extrapolated not just to a simple belief in voluntary voting but in the belief that people hold the legitimacy of the state. Even if we took that as true,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:48 PM
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Even excluding child support, my argument stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:40 PM
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Well, there's plenty of peer-reviewed research that determines the factors that impact pay. Gender has essentially no explanatory power, whereas experience has a fair amount (and positive correlation), for instance. So from that, we can posit that gender isn't merit but experience is...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:39 PM
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Women's pensions are subsidized by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:33 PM
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Women are on a level-playing field. Feminist never talk about unfair rules, they always have to talk about disparate outcomes or cherry-picked examples. I think many men here would like to see a pension system that wasn't men paying, women taking for example. Here's another waste of tax-payer's money...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:14 PM
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Nope. Men pay a majority of taxes and women live longer. You're probably talking about how some feminists think women, who on average deserve to be paid less for a variety of factors unrelated to gender, are being shortchanged in their pensions because they assume equal outcomes are inherently fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:08 PM
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Well, right now more is paid to women's issues so you do support more to men's issues than the status quo...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:03 PM
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Democracy means that the people choose the candidate they want. Any system where you push women candidates to the top is not democratic by definition. Democracy has nothing to do with your desire for proportionality in outcome and I don't care about your electoral reform beliefs as they're irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:02 PM
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Peer reviewed studies show the opposite biases to the ones you posit I'm exhibiting. Women and men are both biased in favour of women. No women will take care of low-value men, the reverse is often true. Society cares less for homeless men. Men dominating the top, ignores 80% of the story. Almost all feminist issues are middle-class warfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:00 PM
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That assumes women should receive equal outcomes on merit which is proven false. It is a human-rights violation against whites, asians and men according to long-standing civil-liberties era norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:57 PM
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Pensions redistribute tax money from men to women. Wasting tax money on campaigns like these is another.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:54 PM
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Nothing that you've written is much of an argument. But it's perfectly reasonable for men to question whether they want to continue paying a majority of tax but receiving a minority of benefits. Subsidize yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:51 PM
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No, tonnes of even gender-neutral services benefit women more. Pensions in the UK for example. Women benefit more from a larger state.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:41 PM
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Relative to a democratic framework where balance ought to be distributed, yes, asymmetrical power holding is a problem. You're referring to there being fewer woman legislators? But why are you not concerned about fewere male voters? Also I don't see why either in and of itself either is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:40 PM
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Nobody is forcing men to be less successful. That's exactly what affirmative action is. You're missing the premise of how women were structurally barred from running companies up until very recently. "[V]ery recently."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:01 PM
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Society can just be a bit more balanced in its attitudes. It can start with spending more tax money on men's issues and less on women's. The effect of that alone would shift the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:50 PM
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I didn't say I was in favour of "redistribution of sex" policies. Although given the ever more trivial women's issues we address the argument for it increases. Also, I'm British, we have healthcare and abortion. I'm sure some food is produced with forced labour too. Obviously the police should address coercion, but there's nothing inherently immoral about prositution. You're really just making an argument for better policing. Many women are saying quite a lot more than that though. There are a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:15 AM
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Food doesn't have to consent to being consumed. A human being has to consent to having their body used. Someone has to produce the food, so does providing food require slavery? No of course not, because there's a free market. There will be someone willing to provide sex for money of their own free will. Sex workers are already a thing. Go buy one if you're so desperate to meet this "need". I mean, clearly you don't care whether the person is there of their own free will or not, so... My argument…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 04:02 PM
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No one suggested nonconensual means. With food, society taxes people and redistributes money. Sex workers are a thing if such a policy is desired. My only point was that it's hypocritical to act like your desire for abortion is a right while, you don't care for arguably even more unfortunate people with even more unmet needs. Pregnancy deaths, rape and incest are fringe issues related to abortion. They get trotted out because the core issue is harder to argue. And like I said before, I support f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 10:41 PM
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It's not a binary, there are shades of grey.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 10:34 PM
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The majority of people are somewhere between "fully allow" and "fully deny".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 09:05 PM
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What is and isn't a right or need can be debated. After all sex is often considered a primary need in the heirarchy of needs. Abortion is not classically considered a human right either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 09:03 PM
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Society, and the conclusion applies to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:52 PM
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If something is wrong, it's wrong. We don't turn a blind eye to other things that are immoral. That said, I don't view first trimester abortion as immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:40 PM
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It's not murder at all though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:31 PM
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Plenty of things are much more detrimental and destructive to human life [...] Individual rights are infringed over drug rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:47 PM
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If celibacy is all some men can expect, why should couples be an exception? I'm sure this kind of argument comes off as bitter and "incelish" but it really just shows hypocrisy. The women here clearly don't care about romantically unsuccessful men but expect others to care about their rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:45 PM
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It probably won't, but it may push society torward 1-1 relationships more. But in any case, the argument that "if celibacy is good enough for incels it must be good enough for women scared of pregnancy" seems solid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:47 PM
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Something being worse isn't justification for something else. Gun ownership doesn't inherently cause deaths, whereas abortion does (if you believe the fetus is human life). Self-defense has a malicious moral actor, whereas the only moral actor in abortion is the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:31 PM
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Don't see the relation to my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:07 PM
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I'm British so this won't affect me. I agree women are less interested in sex but women absolutely enjoy it too. So I think you're rather downplaying the loss for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:04 PM
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You could always abstain from sex and focus on other things? That's the usual advice for guys right...?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:21 PM
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Alot of women here suggest sex shouldn't be that big of a deal for men and those men who can't get laid should focus on other ways to be happy. If women are scared of being unable to abort, they can take their own advice now. And for the record, I am not opposed to abortion and don't live in the US anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:15 PM
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So obviously in a poor rural area being top 20% is relatively easier and in an affluent city such as London it's harder. The question then becomes, which places can a 5/10 face 5'9" guy become 8/10?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 03:10 PM
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Frankly, you're just out of touch. Only 15% of Brits have gym membership. Of 25-34 year olds I think it stands around 20-25% (quick estimation using various sources). More women than men have gym membership too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:40 PM
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Statistics for alopecia, dental caries and obesity seem to indicate otherwise. Not that many people have all the things I listed down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:54 PM
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No, you're a good looking guy. Really the only things I can think of is that you're in a city with an insane amount of competition or you're doing something women find offputting you're unaware of?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:25 PM
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Do you live in Hollywood or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:11 PM
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by "yes this does work for getting women once they become interested over OLD"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:10 PM
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So it's not better in a small rural town in person than in a big city online? That doesn't sound right! Is it possible you come off as needy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:01 PM
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By definiton top 20% is above average...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:56 PM
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But those factors, excluding height, aren't really major factors on Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:54 PM
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I'm a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:54 PM
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They don't have to have failed at it, they can simply not attempt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:53 PM
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For sure, an iPhone-quality camera helps too!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:51 PM
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Never said top 20% means women will line up for you. Just that you'll get a good amount of attention on Tinder. Location probably matters a lot too. I imagine London is harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:50 PM
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Black men do as well as whites on Tinder. But yeah, it does seem like it's harder for Asian men and black women but I'm doubtful of the extent to which you claim, without seeing evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:49 PM
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Do share your skincare routine? I'll post mine too if you like!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:47 PM
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Skincare as many women practice is an expensive placebo. But I agree eating vegetables is underrated -- Americans should try it more! 😋 Also some of the richest people I know dress in sweatshirts. It's those who are most focused on social elevation who seem to power-dress in my experience!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:46 PM
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Depends how you define "Chad" I guess. I'm just saying, there are a lot of people with great bone structure that fall down in other ways!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:36 PM
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Why can't we estimate where a 5/10-face and 5'9"-body guy would end up?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:34 PM
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You're just jealous because the hot women of PPD are going to be lining up to give me reward sex!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:31 PM
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I really am getting a sense that the city someone lives in may be a very big factor. How do you meet these obese women if I may ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:22 PM
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Do you live in a very high-standard area (Bay Area or somewhere)? Is it possible you're doing something offputting to women? If neither of those, why are there people who are self-described-average saying they're not finding it as tough?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:17 PM
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That's not the worst I've heard. Do you feel you're putting a lot of effort into achieving that? Would you say you're overaverage attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:08 PM
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I think by the time that becomes an issue, one has probably attracted her enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:47 PM
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Well, what percentage of men on Tinder get decent (not necessarily great) attention? 20% doesn't seem unreasonable and it probably varies by region/state quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:44 PM
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But a lot of the top-20%-tallest guys have dealbreakers. Balding, bad teeth, overweight, or something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:43 PM
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Incapable is a strong word. It probably seems speculative to them and so they follow paths of least resistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:42 PM
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Yeah, maybe my hypothesis is more people in the top 60% for face, height and money can become top 20%. Do you think that's more reasonable then? I have to disagree that many men are obsessed. Compared to women, they absolutely aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:41 PM
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Aren't the most attractive men less available since a higher percentage will be taken?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:38 PM
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That's more for a girlfriend than for Tinder though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:37 PM
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The dimensions aren't independent so you can't just multiply them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:35 PM
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No one is swiping on Tinder based on "good dick". Charisma is hard to judge too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:34 PM
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Where does a 5/10-for-face guy end up after looksmaxing as I described?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:32 PM
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So you believe the Tinder market is more 96/4 and the offline market is more 80/20?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:25 PM
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But most men are around 5'9" in the UK and if so other factors start to matter too. There's perhaps a threshold for height, and more over that is still a plus, but shouldn't a 5'9" guy with a nice smile and good hair beat a 6'2" guy with bad teeth and no hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:21 PM
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But lots of 6ft white guys are bald, have bad skin, dress poorly, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:18 PM
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You don't think someone who's a 5 in face and height would be an 8 if they do all the things I say? I mean, ultimately this is a question about what percentage of men can looksmax to 8/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:12 PM
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